Crucifixion in the Quran

All four Gospels say that Jesus was crucified. The story of his crucifixion is given in detail in

Mark 15. 21-41;

Matt. 27.32-44;

Luke 23. 26-43 and

John 19. 17-27,

Despite this the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. Instead, his resemblance was put over another man (Remember Mission Impossible? Must have been something like that.) and it was that person who was crucified.

“And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh,’ – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)

But Allâh raised him [‘Isa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All­Powerful, All­Wise. )” (Q.4:157-158)

Muslims apologists have defended this Quranic error. The Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:

The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job, Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is “God’s practice” (sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of evil and adversity. “So truly with hardship comes ease”, (XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: Assuredly God will defend those who believe”; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of Christ (III, 54).

Althoguh most Muslims believe Jesus was raised to heaven alive, a small minority of them, mainly Ahmadi Muslim, say he was indeed rescued but died before his ascension. Mahmoud Ayoub says,

The Qur’an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is forever victorious.”

The story of Christ being lifted to heaven “in body and soul” is contrary to logic and science. Now we have a much better understanding of the universe and we know that such thing is absurd.  It implies that Muhammad believed heaven is a geographic place.

Another problem with this story is the fact that it implies that God is unjust. He tricks people by replacing Jesus with someone else. Isn’t that injustice to that victim?  Why would not God save Jesus without playing tricks and sacrificing someone else in his place? It also implies that God is weak. Playing tricks is what the weak does.

Why this discrepancy? Why would Muhammad say something that is contrary to all Gospels? It is because Muhammad’s knowledge of the Scriptures was based on hearsay. He personally had not read the Bible.

At the time of Muhammad, the Christians of the Northern Arabia and Damascus were Nestorian. They thought that it is impossible to kill the Son of God. Based on this belief they had developed a doctrine that maintained God must have tricked the Pharisees and the person who was crucified must have been someone else who took the resemblance of Jesus.

This is how Muhammad came to know about the story of crucifixion.  Even though he could read, he was not fond of books and learning. Narcissists think they know everything, and there is nothing anyone can teach them.

There are numerous verses that show Muhammad had very little understanding of the Bible.  While listening to Christian preachers, particularly in the market of Okaz, during his youth, he heard many Bibilical stories, but because he did not read that book personally, he confused many of its events and protagonists.

One example of those confusions is the story of Samaritans and Moses where Muhammad places the Samaritans at the time of Moses when such people had not existed at that time.

Another blunder is when he confuses Mary, mother of Jesus with Miriam, sister of Aaron and Moses. These two women lived 1500 years apart. The Quran says.

“She brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: “O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! “O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!”  Q. 19:27-28

This error is repeated in verse 66:12 where Muhammad calls Mary, daughter of `Imran.

The reason for this blunder is because Mary and Miriam are both translated in Arabic as Maryam.  The unlettered prophet pretender heard Jesus’ mother was Maryam and also Aarron’s sister was called Maryam. He thought the two are one and the same.

There is evidence to suggest he could read. It is unlikely that Abdul Muttalib would not send him to maktab (school). However, it is also clear that Muhammad was not in love of books. His knowledge about everything, including the Bible is superficial and sketchy.

A more detailed list of the contradictions and errors of the Quran can be found on www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

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138 Responses

  1. Mira kuku says:

    Yes it's true 

      No one can kill Allah every one is nothing when we say  Allah it's the full Power the full beauty  

    😀 i love Allah 😀

  2. Mira kuku says:

     Congratulation Ahmed we will see you  and Ali and your Family in the Hell it's verry Good i'm waiting that day he is very closer after you deth 😉 don't forget to send me E-mails from Hell talking about your peaceful life there i'm exited to hear from you  🙂

  3. anuj says:

    It's bitter truth that jesus was not dead after crucifying, he was alive but unconscious.  he name is not Jesus christ, it's "jesus the christ". he was a tamil hindu brahmin, jesus is the corrupted form of jeshua/jeshao and this is corrupted form of keshua/keshao and keshua is corrupted form of Keshawa (shri Krishna).this name jesus the christ was given to jesus by jews( hindu brahmin, arabian countries was hindu land who were worshiper of shri krishna).when jesus was being crucifying he said " ".from the age of 12 and till 30 he was in India, he studied Vedas,Puranas and The Gita,when he was 30 again he went to palestine and delivered speeches that he had studied.  he followed celibacy also.this christian religion was made 350 years later after his jesus death.

  4. anuj says:

    he is not jesus christ, it's "jesus the christ". he was a tamil hindu brahmin, jesus is the corrupted form of jeshua/jeshao and this is corrupted form of keshua/keshao and keshua is corrupted form of Keshawa (shri Krishna). from the age of 12 and till 30 he was in India, he studied Vedas,Puranas and The Gita,when he was 30 again he went to palestine and delivered speeches that he had studied.  he followed celibacy also.this christian religion was made 350 years later after his jesus death. one more point is when he was crucified he was unconscious not dead .i have not made this comment to hurt anyone but this truth.

  5. Anuj says:

    yes! she  became pregnant from a vedic hindu yogi.  

  6. Marcie says:

    I heard Mohammed was like Michael Jackson? He liked taking little boys home to his bed?

  7. ihateislam says:

    See my answer above.

  8. ihateislam says:

    Do you know the birth date of Muhammad? Was it the 20th or 22nd of the month? The quran as it exists today is not in the language of Muhammad. The Bible was written in Hebrew then translated into Greek which was the international language at the time, just as English is today, before it was translated into Latin which was the language of occupation. In North Africa now occupied by the Arabs, Arabic is the dominant and official language. In some countries it used to be an offense to speak any indigenous language. The Berbers and the Copts will tell you better. The Bible being in any language other than Hebrew does not eroded its authenticity or historical facts.

  9. [email protected] says:

    Answer only one thing you people are not sure about the birth date of Jesus and have lost actual language of Jesus as well then how can you prove your Gospels are correct. and by the way why they are in more than one numbers how these reached to you have you historical back ground if then email me i am waiting email id : [email protected]

  10. DPhysicist says:

    u r genius…

  11. Dphysicist says:

    Ali Sina… Sir, You are genius.

  12. cav says:

    ahmed how are you today, still happy at leaving islam? he will incur wrathe against you when you think you have got away with this jumping from a good ship into the abyss

  13. Infidel says:

    She was screwed, possibly either by Joseph, her official husband, or by god, father of Jesus, as he claims.

  14. DPhysicist says:

    I am not able to understand how stubborn Muslims are… 🙁

  15. scrutator says:

    CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS

    Popular Islamic explanation has it that instead of being crucified, Jesus in fact had climbed a long ladder and reached Allah in Heaven; he was thus saved from the 'alleged' crucifixion !

    Now here's a thought — where did Jesus hire such a long ladder from ? Surely none of the UK's many hire shops can supply a ladder so long so as to reach the heavens !

    The idea is clearly 'bonkers' !

  16. John K says:

    I'm not sure what your point is. Informed decision-making by definition means making decisions based on information. If your decision didn't work out, it is a result of bad information or poor judgement. This is generally the case when people convert to Islam based on bad information given to them by a Muslim and they don't check the information first.

  17. Informed decision-making comes from a long tradition of guessing after which blaming others for inadequate results.

  18. John K says:

    Wikipedia has a pro-Islam bias. Things critical of Islam have to be in separate articles on Criticism of Islam, so the average kid doing homework will not see anything critical when they go to the main articles.

  19. SOPHIA says:

    Actually I thought maybe Muhammad heard about the lies from Parisian
    In Matt 28:11-15 … but lolz… nice articles again,Mr. Sina! 😀

  20. Sanada_10 says:

    wikipedia doesn't judge anything based on morality so there is no such thing as good and bad in wikipedia but there are many poorly written articles about religions because its free for everyone. You can be the author if you want.

  21. Arya Anand says:

    I started as a believer and became an agnostic.

  22. Arya Anand says:

    Turkish version of http://www.alisina.org is very very necessary considering the fact that Turks are becoming more and more radicalized in Islam and Turkey wants to revive its ancient Islamic glory and Caliphate under its leadership.

  23. everin says:

    No, u cannot debate that slipery "snake' who will twist n turn, digging out all the irrelevant verses from everywhere. Muslim majority audience will appause him n declare him a winner. Go n watch his videos. Click " Zaki naik "

  24. Scorpio says:

    I personally believe all of the above is possible through astral projection.

  25. Scorpio says:

    Iddhi is a Buddhist term which refers to supernormal powers.The Buddhist Pali canons describe the following as iddhi powers…
    Multiplying the body into many bodies, then collapsing it into one again.
    Vanishing and appearing at will (invisibility).
    Passing through solid objects as if through space (intangibility).
    Rising and sinking in the ground as if in the water.
    Walking on water as if on land.
    Flying.
    Touching anything at any distance (e.g. the moon or sun).
    Traveling to other worlds (like the world of Brahma) with or without the body.

  26. Scorpio says:

    True,there are many miracles attributed to Gautama Buddha,such as creating the golden bridge with his mind.
    The twin miracles where he allegedly produced flames from the upper part of his body and flowing water with his lower half.
    Buddha is said to have flown into Brahma's ( a deva/deity) world..
    Buddha calmed a raging elephant by touching it on the forehead.
    Buddha turned dirty water filled with grass into clean drinkable water
    Buddha walked on water in order to convert a brahmin
    From the first chapter of Mahavagga (Book of the Discipline, IV) where the Buddha displayed his power over nature. When an area was inundated by a flood, he commanded the waters to stand back so that he could walk between them on dry ground.
    Other miracles and powers that Gautama Buddha is alleged to have possessed and exercised include Iddhi, Telepathy, super-hearing, divine seeing, and seeing past lives. These are described in the Mahasihanada Sutta and other suttas in the pali canon

  27. everin says:

    Just as great as buddha. His followers, too, had created many miraclous things about him n raised him to the status of a deity.

  28. Jakob says:

    Go to sites which are not anti Islam (Even Wikipedia has more accurate info) Then you will have a real understanding what Islam is about

    Regards Jakob

  29. Denny says:

    Qaise,

    it is easy to understand if you don't have any presumption that muhammad told you. It is not as hard as algebra.

    I think many Christian expert will answer you promptly if you really want to understand.

  30. Denny says:

    Yes ,

    and finally we all hope that all Muslin who got light from his writing/book will leave Islam soon. We all have the same prayer.

  31. Denny says:

    Congratulaion Ahmad,

    Please don't keep it for yourself. After your whole family left Islam please send your good news to other muslim. Please tell them to open their eyes.

    I don't know about your new religion, or whether you are theist or atheist right now. But please tell them also what you enjoy with your new religion.

    That is how all the religion spread , by mouth and by good deed. The religion that spread by sword is truly evil. And luckily you just left the evil one.

    One more time congratulation

  32. thanks to ali sina for opening and sharpening my understanding towards this islam[ the dangerous to our very own existence]let alone [ truth] bring happiness and peace to human kind.

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  34. Sanada_10 says:

    This is for livingsunnah

    You wrote, “You're basing your entire argument upon the Qur'an being inferior to the Bible.”

    Err, no, he used objective comparison just like any other books. Quran is, in fact, inferior to Bible in the context of “story”. Take example of Yusuf story and see the difference.

    You wrote, “This is clearly not true because the Bible has obvious contradictions (that no one will deny, such as between the gospels, but Christians just deem unimportant)”

    Ah, that’s irrelevant when discussing this particular part. You wouldn’t want to start contradiction in Quran too, would you?

    You wrote, “Nonetheless, the Bible itself says that no one witnessed the crucifixion (the disciples fled).”

    John 19:

    26. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
    27. Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

    You wrote, “It is not "weak" for God to put someone else in Jesus (pbuh)'s place”

    Err, yes, it is a weakness. Any man can replace him and this method is suitable for human, not god. For a human, it is a sign of trickery, for a god, it is a sign of weakness.

    You wrote, “indeed, verses of the Bible (the transfiguration on the mountain) seem to hint towards this happening. It was no trick of God, but a trick of the gospel writers!”

    That’s just assumption. Personal feeling is not reliable source so there is no need for exclamation, it only makes thing worse to you.

    You wrote, “Anyway, your comments about the supposed mistakes about "Maryam" are not mistakes, but terms of honor and comparison’

    Err, no again. It is a mistake if you read it carefully. Do list the reason as why the specific comparison existed involving only certain people (woman to man) and why the “coincidence” with Moses’ family is so overwhelming. Yours is not logical but emotional.

    You wrote, “This is similar to the Bible calling Jesus (pbuh) the son of David even though Christians consider him (pbuh) to be the son of God.”

    Jesus and David? These 2 are hardly comparable if you ever want to search the detail. There are many differences. No, it’s not about that.

    Jesus’ family came from David’s lineage (through Joseph), or so they thought. At least the detail is clear, one more merit from the Bible.

    Matthew 1:

    1. The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
    15. And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
    16. And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

    See? Bible is indeed superior to Quran. At least the writer knew how to write story and deliver a message.

  35. Sanada_10 says:

    Oh, I was mimicking their method here.

  36. Just Dan says:

    Not about faith.
    This particular article can really dispute claims about Quran being a divine act of God. Or at the least claims about “clear book of guidance”.
    Too bad muslims have always been steppe warriors.
    Fire arrows then run. Shame.

  37. Sanada_10 says:

    I've told you before, haven't I? It was Abdullah Ihsan! This is faith and faith is right according to muslims here.

  38. Just Dan says:

    Jesus was indeed a direct descendant of King David.

    Is there any mention, in the Bible anywhere about King David descended from Moses-time’s Miriyam?

    Hint: try searching from Miriyam to Abraham.

    Think about it. It was not an “honor call”. It was a Quranic mistake.

    Dictated by Jibreel? What a joke.

    You must be boarding the wrong train.

  39. Just Dan says:

    Please Mr. Livingsunnah,
    Enlighten us.
    The man who helped Jesus carry the cross was Simon of Cyrene.
    The woman who helped Jesus wiped his face was Veronica.
    The man who was crucified (allegedly) alongside Jesus was Barabas The Murderer.
    Who was the man that substituted Jesus to die at the cross again?
    I’m confused, help me.

  40. livingsunnah says:

    You're basing your entire argument upon the Qur'an being inferior to the Bible. This is clearly not true because the Bible has obvious contradictions (that no one will deny, such as between the gospels, but Christians just deem unimportant). Nonetheless, the Bible itself says that no one witnessed the crucifixion (the disciples fled). It is not "weak" for God to put someone else in Jesus (pbuh)'s place; indeed, verses of the Bible (the transfiguration on the mountain) seem to hint towards this happening. It was no trick of God, but a trick of the gospel writers!

    Anyway, your comments about the supposed mistakes about "Maryam" are not mistakes, but terms of honor and comparison. This is similar to the Bible calling Jesus (pbuh) the son of David even though Christians consider him (pbuh) to be the son of God.

  41. Dany says:

    I agree but this is not always the case… another thing: what would you do if you had 3 million dollar?

  42. Ali Sina says:

    How did you figure out I hate Islam? You must be very smart. Yes I do hate Islam.

    Why I don’t bash other religions, because I am not interested in religious discussion. People should be free to believe in any faith even the false ones.

    My beaf with Islam is not because it is false. I fight Islam because it is dangerosu and evil. If a large number of Christians start killing others the way Muslims do and find hundreds of verses in the Gosples that tells them to fight and kill, I will start bashing Christianity as well. But the teachings of Jesus are not violent. On the contrary he preached forgiveness.

  43. Kat says:

    please explain these contradictions in the bible for me ali, the great.

    2 samuel 24:1 vs. 1 chronicles 21:1

    2 samuel 10:18 vs. chronicles 19:18

    1 kinga 7:26 vs. 2 chronicles 4:5

    2 chronicles 9:25 vs. 1 kings 4:26

    1 samuels 28:6 vs. 1 chronicles 10:13-14

    john 3:13 vs. 2 kings 2:11 and genisis 5:24

    john 18:9 vs. john 17:12

    2 chronicles 6:36 vs. john 3:9

    do you want to know why no right-minded sheikh will come debate you, because all of this is bogus.
    you bash one religion but not others, you obviously have hate towards islam, and your fanatical just like the people who use allah's words for their own doing, which is wrong.

    you need to read rather than pick up random verses, say what you want to say, and etc.
    your funny.
    you make me laugh.
    you are not a provider of any kind of truth.
    i feel bad for you.
    really i do.

  44. Sanada_10 says:

    King who?

  45. Sanada_10 says:

    Your understanding is so biological and material just like your prophet and his heaven. He's Hugh Hefner, Arabic version.

  46. Sanada_10 says:

    How about this? Ever heard Tale of monkey king? He can pick one sheet of his hair and transform it into his other self. He also can leave his body and transform to anything he likes.

  47. John K says:

    The account only fails to make sense if you do not understand why he allowed himself to be killed.

    There is no record of discussion of the Biblical Canon at the Council of Nicaea, let alone destruction of texts:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic

    Development of the New Testament Canon was a gradual process, not something decided at any one council:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_C

    The Gospel of Thomas agrees with the Quran in what specifics? Quotations?

    Paul said that faith is belief in things which are not seen, which are true. If you believe in something that is not true, then your faith is blind and vain.

  48. John K says:

    Adam, your comments show a really primitive understanding. When there are things you are not familiar with, it is best to do some research before you form an opinion.

    The death of Christ's physical body did not mean the death of his Spirit. He existed as Jehovah without a body during the Old Testament period, and continued to exist as such when he died. Peter also speaks of him going to speak to the spirits in the spirit world while his body was in the tomb.

  49. Adam says:

    The Christian account doesn't make since either. They say God allowed himself to be killed. Also, some early Christians believed that he was not crucified. The Council of Nicaea–were all the popes met–burned all the copies of the Bible they did not agree with. But in the 1940s in Nag Hammadi, Egypt the Gospel of St. Thomas was found and it agrees with the Muslim account. So, in the end it comes down to faith. . .

  50. John K says:

    The Quran is a plagerism of Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Arab paganism. However, the Quran reveals that Muhammad was only partially familiar with those traditions.

    Muhammad only introduced two new and original doctrines. The first in the Mecca period is that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and the second in the Medina period is that if you don't believe it, you are subject to being killed.

    Yes, we know who is lying. Allah the great deceiver. And Allah = Muhammad. This is the only true math in the Quran.

  51. John K says:

    I am rather familiar with the material you cite, but your conclusion is rather off the beaten scholarly path.

    What is your point? Christianity has been studied and practiced ad infinitum. Christianity has no penalty for leaving the faith, so there are plenty of atheists and converts to other faiths, as well as Christians in name only who rarely go to church and are not familiar with the Bible. So what's you point?

  52. John K says:

    Interesting related thought from the Idiot's Guide to Islam (paraphrase, not a direct transcription):

    the greatest enemy, threat, and scourge of Muhammad and Islam is knowledge, and the best friend, savior, supporter of Muhammad is ignorance
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed

  53. Nitelite says:

    What a deceitful tactics from that wicked God by substituted Christ with somebody else.

    Allah Itself needs to eat and drink too (hunger and thirst for kafirs' flesh and blood, still to these very days). Contrary to popular belief, Allah is indeed killable and has been killed over and over again (decisive refutation by the non-believers @ words as sword). That's why Allah goes into a "Rampage Mode" upon resurrection in a mission to hunting down the non-believers within Its killing radius.

    Don't believe in religion dude, believe in Christ! xD

  54. John K says:

    Nonsense. Tons of archeological discoveries of ancient texts reaffirm the primary integrity of the scriptures as we have them today. If anything, discoveries of texts not in today's Bible reinforce trends believed before modern sectarianism and Biblical criticism made primitive beliefs unpopular.

  55. Nitelite says:

    What sort of god is that? That is a one-of-a-kind God. :p

  56. talatmd78 says:

    Guys. Regarding the gospel sayings, Please find below source. You would be able to know that Quran is saying the same thing which most Christian Beleived before the Council of Nicae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…. Now judge who is saying the lies.

  57. talatmd78 says:

    Guys. Regarding the gospel sayings, Please find below source. You would be able to know that Quran is saying the same thing which most Christian Beleived before the Council of Nicae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…. Now judge who is saying the lies.

  58. talatmd78 says:

    Guys. Regarding the gospel sayings, Please find below source. You would be able to know that Quran is saying the same thing which most Christian Beleived before the Council of Nicae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…. Now judge who is saying the lies.

  59. talatmd78 says:

    Guys. Regarding the gospel sayings, Please find below source. You would be able to know that Quran is saying the same thing which most Christian Beleived before the Council of Nicae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…. Now judge who is saying the lies.

  60. talatmd78 says:

    Guys. Regarding the gospel sayings, Please find below source. You would be able to know that Quran is saying the same thing which most Christian Beleived before the Council of Nicae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…. Now judge who is saying the lies.

  61. talatmd78 says:

    Guys, I would suggest you to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament . Then you would be able to know about gospels and their errors. Most importantly, Did you ever tried to find out how many gospels were existed before . Did you study the neutral history of Council of Nicaea. Did you ever tried to understand why a Pagan Monarch relinquished all existing gospels( More than 300) and just approved four of them which approves most pagan formalities. You are thinking that I am saying all these from myself. Please read the following wiki sources .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic… Guys please, I would suggest you to first study and practise your own religion. That will make you a real Man. Cause all religion is saying the same good things. Please think again why, A pagan King being regarded as saint. Is it a political reason or something else.

  62. Hakan says:

    cheers

  63. John K says:

    Dr. Zaik is certainly not a credible source. First you need to get yourself sorted out about Muhammad and Islam by reading Dr. Sina's book, Understanding Muhammad:
    http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/

    Then if you want to know more about the problems with the things you said about the crucifixion, look at this article for more information:
    http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive

    Get the video update here:
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/04/deceptive

  64. John K says:

    I really do like Dr. Sina's explanation, but I would like to offer an alternate one.

    Man is the crown of creation. He is the highest of the animals and is capable of managing the resources of the earth. We are the children of God. All nature testifies that the young grow up to be like their parents. Acorns become mighty oak trees, puppies grow up to be dogs, and babies grow up to be human adults. So logically, we are gods in embryo and will become as gods when we grow up. But that does not mean that God is a giant size human who can hold a galaxy in his hand like a frisbee. So when you perceive a god, he will look like a man. The difference will be in his power, intelligence, glory and immortality rather than in physical size, as reported by those who have seen him, such as John the Revelator. Christ coming into the world to be subject to the pains of mortality is a demonstration of the loving condescension of God, but the Resurrected and Glorified Christ is far above the fragile mortal bodies we now inhabit.

  65. John K says:

    I'm sorry. I forgot – you are Muslim. I must use the KISS principle – Keep It Simple Stupid.

  66. Hakan says:

    yes or no and a simple refrence would do, thanks

  67. Ali Sina says:

    Can you point in the reflection of the sun in a mirror and say this is the sun? If you then break the mirror will you be breaking the sun?

    Think of God as the sun and Jesus as the mirror. Think of the rays as the holy spirit. God reflects in Jesus through the holy spirit. Now the tree are one and at the same time distinct.

    I am not a Christian and I am not hear to promote Christianity. However, much of the accusations made against Christianity is due to misunderstanding of it. For example Muhammad thought trinity consists of God, Mary and their son Jesus. How could an ignoramus like him criticize something that he did not even understand?

  68. qaise says:

    It was that king of the place which was trying to kill Jesus and god made king resemblance of jesus and he was cruicfied and when people see Hazrat jesus after cruitcifed than people thought he has been resurrect by god . HOW GOD CAN BE KILLED? IF GOD can Eat and be KILLED. I WONT believe such a non sense religion dude. GO and debate with dr zaik .he will show u what is real

  69. Qaise afghan says:

    Ali sena. I dont believe in a god which eats. and get killed by human being . what sort of god is this?

  70. John K says:

    An ex-Muslim Prometheus! He certainly holds a special place. There's a lot of sites and books out there, but with Understanding Muhammad, we understand why Muslims are the way they are and why Muslim countries are the way they are.

    Plus, non-Muslim web sites talk about being against Islam, but not against Muslims, but Ali Sina is particularly dedicated to saving Muslims rather than destroying them, and says that these are his people and extended family, and does not want to see them hurt. If you dig deeply into Ali Sina's writings, you will see this recurring theme of his love for Muslims in particular and humanity in general. You don't see this talked about a lot. I have heard similar talk from Wafa Sultan.

  71. John K says:

    Scholarly study analyzing and comparing the Christianity and other religions of Muhammad's contemporary environment and tracing their elements in Muhammad's teachings has had the benefit of hundreds of years of scrutiny by the finest minds as the Western academic scholarly tradition matured and flourished. So, this is a topic which you could literally spend an entire career studying.

    Just to give you a quick introduction to the topic, you could go to Gutenburg.org and download the Rodwell Koran. He gives an overview of the situation in the introduction:
    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3434

  72. Akal Budi Islam says:

    Ali Sina is the Best in the world. He is man who brought light for Muslim

  73. sturncoat says:

    Not only does Allah require very good explanations for such a move He required witnesses.

  74. Rohit says:

    To the twelve disciples Jesus says:–Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not… Mat.Chap.10.v.5.
    But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israels. Mat. Chap.10.v.6
    Comment: Jesus never thought of becoming the Saviour of the world. Later on his followers seem to have conferred that position on him.

  75. Rohit says:

    Jesus turns a deaf ear to the repeated plea of a woman of Canan to cure her daughter. The disciples also present her case. But Jesus says:- I am not sent but the lost sheep of the house of Israel…. Mat. Ch.15.v.24..

    Comment: Jesus does not function as the saviour of the World. He chooses to the be the saviour of the Jews. But they have to this day disclaimed him. So his mission on Earth is a Failure…

  76. nirmal says:

    i salute u ali sina.. You are doing a great service to mankind with this website and with Faithfreedom. I'm moving over here to alisina.org because I want to hear directly from you – you have established yourself as a formidable expert on these matters.. please debate with zakir naik and demolish him………..

  77. John K says:

    Wow! How could you say something like that?

    Islam is truly for the ignorant only. Islam has no spiritual content at all. It's only spiritual language is in stories borrowed from the Bible, but Muhammad's narrations have stripped them of their spiritual content so that only an empty shell remains.

    It is clear to anyone who has studied Islam that it is only Muhammad's invention to justify his criminal behavior and sociopathic attitudes towards those around him.

  78. Aveeda says:

    laughing! u guys should better go and search for knowledge about the only way to salvation which is islam. you should stop wallowing in conjectures. ask for what u dont know. what a comparative views of the rubbished christianity search for zakir naik, ahmed deedat, jamal badawi, sheik faisal and many others..widen your horizons, we ‘re in d intellectual world

  79. Nitelite says:

    Just to Marcionite,

    Lions or Pierced? http://christianthinktank.com/ps22cheat.html

    Young Women or Virgin? http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/126.virgin.ht

    Even if it's not true, false, lies, corrupted, myth or whatever, it has nothing to do with this article.

  80. Forgiven by Jesus says:

    how ignorant regarding God's plan, if the Creator wanted to visit the His creation, and live among them, He had to be born out of His Holy Spirit, think Testo1 if you have a problem in believing God's word, I don't know where would you stand in the judgment day, when you stand before your Creator, and have to give an account for your life???

  81. Arya Anand says:

    Congratulations!

  82. marcionite says:

    The 2 main overiding reasons for rejecting the OT from our Christian canon is for moral & scriptural purposes.
    The first reason leads to the rejection of the OT's morality which is incompatible with Christianity.The second reason is based on the assumption that only works by Christians should be in the canon of scripture.

  83. marcionite says:

    Marcionites & Gnostic Christians don't believe in the concept of eternal hell.By rejecting the "Torah",I do believe we are then making a better future for future generations.After all,who want their kids to worship a boogeyman like Yahweh.

  84. Johnathan Harrell says:

    We should not think that Hitler or Muhammad are in hell, the fact we know is that they are dead. Instead of cursing them, we should focus on making a better future.

  85. John K says:

    Best wishes in your good desires.

  86. raiyu says:

    It is sad to see that many muslims are still letting themselves being deceived by the lies that have been foretold for centuries. I live in a country that just announced itself as a modernize muslim country. The leaders always boast about Islam is the true religion. Everyone have their equal rights in Islam.
    Although I am no longer a muslim, I can never make my renounce official since it is against the Syaria Law in this country. You are only considered as a non-muslim if the syaria court says so. But at the same time, if you make any statements of leaving Islam whether verbally or written, you can end up in jail for 3 years. Can you imagine how injustice the Islamic law is. Giving hopes of equal rights in believe, but at the same time when you wanted to change faith, they took away your rights without any consent or understanding.
    Changing faith is no men’s power to control. It is between you and God. How can you force someone who is truly no longer have faith in Islam to continue be a muslim for the rest of their lives. I remembered someone used to tell me these saying, ” You can bring your horse to the river, but you can never make your horse to drink from it.”
    Maybe the officials can force people to continue be a muslim. But they can never change people’s faith.
    It’s hard to live in limbo like this.

  87. marcionite says:

    Contin (3)

    ========================
    Dan 9:26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Which city did the followers of Christ destroy & did his life end with a flood?
    ==========================

    These are just a few examples of the gross deception of our Church Fathers.If they could do this with the OT which is believed to be the literal word of God,then what stopped them from tampering with the NT.
    The other OT prophetic verses are so vague that even muslims claim it refers to the coming of Muhammad

  88. marcionite says:

    (2)Contin..

    More deception.The christian scholars removed the word 'poison' & replaced it with "gall" meaning bitter &/or resentment. http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms69.htm#22
    Psalm 69:22Yea, they put poison into my food; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

    Was Christ's food really poisoned?Of course not & that's why some changes had to be made.
    ====================== http://www.breslov.com/bible/Isaiah7.htm#14

    Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the L-rd Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    Christian scholars needed to add the word virgin which does not appear in the original Hebrew text.So why the deception?

    Is.7:14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel"

  89. marcionite says:

    Continued…
    Notice how the Christian translators added the word 'pierced' which does not appear in the original Hebrew text http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms22.htm#17
    Psalm 22:17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

    Now for the Christian Bible
    psalm 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

    See how they did it?

  90. Marcionite says:

    John I will prove to you now that those vague "prophetic verses" in the OT does not speak of Jesus.Christian scholars have mistranslated many parts of the Torah.
    Let's have a look at the original Hebrew Bible (JPS 1917) & compare them with the Christian version.
    http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=disp
    Gen.3:15 I will plant hatred between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike you in the head, and you will strike him in the heel.'

    This verse concerns the serpent & Eve.Did Christ strike the serpent in the head?
    ============== http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=disp
    Gen49:24 But his resolution remained firm, and his arms were [eventually] bedecked with gold. This was from Jacob's Champion, and from then on, he became a shepherd, a builder of Israel."

    This verse refers to Joseph son of Jacob & not Jesus.Was Christ's arms bedecked with gold?
    .

  91. Grace says:

    Yes, I was once blinded like you, but now I can see and come to the ultimate realization and conclusion that Jesus Christ is Lord of Heaven and Earth.

    Maybe you've forgotten all the events happened in your mother's uterus when she first conceived you but that doesn't mean that those unseen events doesn't exist at all! Do you have bit of knowledge that you started off as a tiny cell in your mother's womb which breaks into many cells later and became what you are as per today?
    Surely, your mere existence on planet earth proves that my loving Creator God lives! 🙂

  92. Larry says:

    WTF facts?! You are blinded too, there is no God. And stop bashing people without any evidence. Ha, Woman xD

  93. John K says:

    No, he said he came fulfill the Law, not destroy the Law.

    You are really wasting my time because you haven't read the Bible.

    Even starting at the top of your list, your quote of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth shows you have absolutely zero experience with Judaic jurisprudence. In Islam, they take real corporeal retribution. In Judaism, you have to pay a fair compensation for the eye or tooth lost.

    I'm not going to waste my time to educate you point by point. As Glenn Beck says, do your own research.

  94. marcionite says:

    <div id="idc-comment-msg-div-129440814" class="idc-message"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(129440814)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Fcrucifixion-in-qura%2F#IDComment129440814&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Crucifixion%20in%20Quran%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(129440814)">Close Message Christian scholars have for centuries deliberately mistranslated the Torah to serve their agenda.This they have done with the original Gospel too,adding & lengthening verses.
    Here's some examples of what our Church Fathers have done:

    So for example in the Old Testament we find in Isaiah 7-14

    "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

    However let's have a look at an English translation of the Hebrew Prophets. It is the original text isn't it? Why do Christians never mention this?
    <a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et1007.htm&quot; target="_blank"&gt <a href="http://;http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et1007.htm” target=”_blank”>;http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et1007.htm
    "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
    ========================================
    Let's have a look at the supposed reference to the crucifixion in Psalm 22-16. In the Old Testament it says:

    "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet."

    Now compare this with Writings Psalm 22-17 translated from the original Hebrew: <a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et2622.htm&quot; target="_blank"&gt <a href="http://;http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et2622.htm” target=”_blank”>;http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et2622.htm

    For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.

    Notice how in the original Jewish text says "they are like a lion" but the Christian text says "pierced my hands & feet". See how they did it?

    Books like the Torah and Marcion's eleven books were modified and cross referenced to create Judaeo-Christianity. However when the Jewish books and Marcion's books are read in the original they have nothing in common at all.

  95. marcionite says:

    No,Christ did not come to fulfill or even preserve the Old Testament…he came to destroy it.
    I believe he was demolishing them, one after the other.He may not have done this in a direct manner as Jewish Law prescribes instant death to heretics & blasphemers.But nevertheless,Christ was constantly opposing Jehovah's law.

    Here's some examples:Exodus 12:11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.

    But Christ said in Luke9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
    —————————————–
    Deut 19:19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

    Deut 19:21And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

    [Christ] Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
    044:But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Jehovah ordered someone to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath but Christ permitted works on the Sabbath.He loved Jews as well as Gentiles which contradicts Mosaic law.
    —————————————————
    The only law that Christ fulfilled & established was the Golden Rule.
    Matthew 7:12 So in everything,do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
    Paul understood perfectly that the law for Christians was the golden rule,so wrote in Galatians 15:4 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
    —————————————
    Gal 3;13 “Christ hath redeemeth us from the curse of the law”

    Gal 3;23-25 “we are no longer under the supervision of the law” (since the faith in Christ came)

    Col 2;13-14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and (Christ) took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross”

    Eph2;15-16 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity therein”. Well! Quite strongly stated: “having abolished” !

    Christ abolished the law.You can't abolish something you don't oppose!

  96. John K says:

    No, the Father of Christ is Elohim. Christ declared that he IS Jehovah.

    The Old Testament verses do not say what you claim they do. You are just twisting history to fit your doctrine. In the scientific method you learn that when you have a theory, you are supposed to gather facts to see how well the theory fits, and if your facts do not fit the theory, you are supposed to modify the theory to fit the facts, not twist the facts to fit your theory.

  97. John K says:

    This is a consequence of you reading your sect's literature on these issues instead of reading the Bible. Plus you ignored the long list of other links I gave you. You say you are against the Jewish position, but you cite their argument to defend your position.

  98. marcionite says:

    "Christ came to affirm the Old Testament, not destroy it. "

    This has always been the main argument for maintaining the OT in our Bible because the OT is supposed to be “fulfilled” by Jesus in its prophecies.Is there any evidence that Christ's examples were like Moses or Jehova.Did Christ teach that any Gentile who approached a Jewish place of worship had to be “immediately killed”. The NT does not portray him as someone who taught that Gentiles were “unclean”, it did not claim one should not form familial ties with them nor even eat with them at one table. Nor did he promote any regulation by which a Jew must not even enter a home of a Gentile, or else he would then undergo a seven-day-long “purification” procedure. Had he been teaching that priests of non-Jewish religions must be slaughtered like hogs (as prescribed in the 2 Book of Kings) and their temples turned into latrines?

    The Father of Christ is not Jehovah.Nowhere in the NT does it explicitly say he is.

  99. marcionite says:

    For centuries the Jewish people have complained that Christians falsely translate the Torah to validate Christ as the Jewish Messiah & rightly so.The mistranslations of the OT's "prophetic verses" are in most cases obvious but some are bit more subtle such as Isaiah 9:5 which speaks of "Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom" that means, Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace.

    But Christians translate it to Prince of peace.The above are not names of Jesus but attributes of Jehovah.

  100. John K says:

    So are you a supporter of Hitler?

  101. John K says:

    "All of Muhammad's atrocities are compatible with Yahweh's teachings."

    This kind of statement shows a profound lack of knowledge about Yahweh's teachings. Jesus was accused of blasphemy for telling the people that he is Yahweh.

    If you have never read the OT, it is easy for you to think that Christ's teachings are unique to Christianity. But if you read the entire OT, you will see that Christian doctrines are to be found in the OT as well. Christ came to affirm the Old Testament, not destroy it.

  102. John K says:

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    There are plenty more here:

    http://lds.org/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-prophec

    Don't split semantic hairs between quotes and allusions. Nevertheless, yes, there are plenty of direct OT quotes.

  103. Grace says:

    Dear busybody marcionite, whether that monster Hitler go to hell or heaven is none of your or my business because this is between him and his Creator God. Why accuse and blame God for the studpidity, foolishness and wickedness of man? Did my loving Creator God owe you tons of money or what? Why are you so angry with Him? Has the teachings of your dead idol, Marcion, poisoned your mind to the extent that you are unable to differentiate what's right and wrong?

  104. marcionite says:

    Why should hitler even go to hell.All of his crimes were compatible with the OT.Yahweh should be proud of him.Hitler was almost as evil as Eminem (M&M)…ie. Moses & Muhammad.

  105. marcionite says:

    No,Muhammad did not rebel against the god of Abraham,he only gave another version.All of Muhammad's atrocities are compatible with Yahweh's teachings.

    You said:rebel named Marcion, who was fooled by Satan to join him in his great rebellion against the God of Abraham"

    I abandoned the OT as a moral guide because I was ashamed of Yahweh's satanic qualities.In fact,the Bible confirms he is satan.

    2.Samuel 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”

    1 Chronicles21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

    ============================================
    Marcion's bible is the original text.There's no other Christian canon that predates the Gospel of the Lord,which according to the Catholic Encyclopedia the first Bible was the Euangelion and Apostolikon of Marcion of Sinope AD 140.

  106. marcionite says:

    John please show me which Old Testament prophecies point to Christ,because I haven't found any.And no,Christ does not amply quote the OT as you say.Most of those "quotes" are allusions.

  107. Grace says:

    With regard to this Mr Marcionite's unhappiness with my loving Creator God, as shown in all the above quotes from the OT, I'll like to encourage him to exercise his brain to think positively and correctly for good.

    Let me ask this gullible fool a simple question, if he really studied all the sad and painful history of mankinds' accumulative choices, actions, rebellion and wickedness against a loving, Holy and righteous God? Do you think that Adolf Hitler and his syndicate should not be accountable for the death of 6 million Jews who are innocent! Do you think that God should punish those human beings who wilfully chose to destroy our lovely planet earth?

  108. Grace says:

    Hi larry, you've forgotten the fact that every second, you're breathing by the grace of your Creator God. So, it's plain that only a fool will take Jesus Christ for granted and don't believe in this 'bullshit' at all because he is blinded by his own smelly excrement and pride. 🙂

  109. Larry says:

    Yes Jesus maybe a myth, either way, I don't believe it that bullshit.

  110. John K says:

    These are the same twisted arguments Muslims use against Christianity.

  111. John K says:

    Christ was a Jew and amply quoted the Old Testament in his teachings, and often taught in the synagogues, and at least once in the Temple. He was accused of blasphemy for explaining that Old Testament prophecies pointed to him. So Christianity is very much an updated Judaism.

  112. Grace says:

    Dear dumb Marcionite, thanks for your upfront confession that Marcionites are indeed cultists because they follow the teachings of a dumb heretic cult leader and rebel named Marcion, who was fooled by Satan to join him in his great rebellion against the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. By the way, if you study the Quran carefully, you'll realized that the founder of Islam, Muhammad bin Abdullah, was also like Marcion, rebelling against the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob! Why? The truth is that these two dumb rebels were serving the same master!

    What's wrong with you? Why are you so angry towards my beloved Abba Father God? Why do you have to follow only that dumb foolish rebel, Marcion's wrong teachings and not Jesus Christ's right teachings? Please use your mustard see size brain to think who is greater : Marcion or Jesus Christ? Even Jesus Christ quote from the OT! What says you?

  113. Marcionite says:

    The god of the OT was an evil spirit as he calls himself (1 Sam 16:14-15) and a man of war (Ex. 15:3).
    He orders his followers to commit genocide (1 Sam 15:2-3);kill innocent women & infants (Ezekiel 9:5-7) and god emphasizes "show them no mercy"
    Jehova sanctions the rape (ravishing) of women (Zechariah 14:2)
    Jehova approves of taking women as spoils of war (Deuteronomy 21:11)
    Jehova orders murder,rape & plunder in Numbers 31

    These are only a fraction but the list of Jehova's evils are as long as the OT.
    Yahweh's a savage,completely void of any conscience & limits mercy to his devout followers.Rejecting Jehovah is the only sane & obvious thing to do if we're going to fight Allah (the wannabe Yahweh),his prophet & ideology.Otherwise we're being hypocritical.
    Besides,this is the only way to preserve Christianity for future generations.

  114. Marcionite says:

    Are Marcionites cultists because they reject the evil Jehovah & his barbaric laws?

    My dear Grace,there's no reason for the Old Testament to be part of the Christian canon and please don't give that crap about the NT can't be understood without the OT because that's absolutely rubbish.
    Did you know that Christians (not all) are the only people that follow a book written by followers of a completely different faith?

  115. Grace says:

    My dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, has forgotten to explain about Khadijah and her cousin, Waraqah ibn Nawfal's influences on this mad 'prophet' 's undrstanding of crucifixion in the Quran. In actual fact, these two fools played a very important role in shaping his mindset through their cultic belief. In addition, Muhammad bin Abdullah also received all the wrong informations from the Jews in Mecca about the crucifixion. Am I right, my dear Dr Ali Sina?

  116. Grace says:

    Maybe my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, should research on the importance, motive and purpose of Jesus's immaculate conception. I strongly believe that after my beloved hero, Dr Ali Sina, has done his research and ascertain the blatant truth, he will humble hiimself and bow before Lord Jesus Christ, Author of life and the Golden Rule!

    Oh, my beloved Dr Ali Sina, can you tell me where in this troublesome world can you find such a humble God who love us so much that He condescended to be like one of us and died in our place for our sins and rose again for our justification and gave us eternal life to be with Him? Can you understand His good intentions and His unconditional love now? You are important to God not because of what of you do, but because you ARE His beloved child!

  117. Grace says:

    Marcionites are cults.

  118. Grace says:

    We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

  119. John K says:

    Still, Paul said that faith is evidence of things not seen. A wise Christian does not blindly follow like a Muslim believes in Allah and follows Muhammad.

    Christ said he would send the Holy Spirit to testify to the truth of all things. A knowledge of the reality of God is found inside the human soul as it communes with the divine and becomes acquainted with the presence of the Holy Spirit, which bears witness of the Father and the Son.

    Once this knowledge is found, it is cultivated and refined through the Spirit of God's ministrations through the prayerful pondering of the Holy Scriptures.

    Dr. Sina and I started at opposite poles and crossed in the middle. He started as a believer in a religion and went to atheist.

    I started as an atheist and became a believer. But it didn't come quickly. I went to school when President Kennedy was asking the schools for more scientists and engineers, so I was put on a science track at an early age and was basically raised as a scientific atheist. It was not until my third year working on my university degree that I converted.

  120. Marcionite says:

    @ Ali Sina

    Not all Christians believe that Jesus had an Immaculate Conception.The early Christians such as the Marcionites believe that Jesus was a spirit,that embraced an imitation body.
    Marcionites reject the Old Testmant completely & follow the Gospel of the Lord which is similar to the New Testament but shorter & has no reference of the OT prophets,contains no homophobia ,misogyny or the concept of eternal hell.
    The Gospel of the Lord was compiled in 140 A.D but the current bible most Christians use today was only in use since the early 3rd century.The Book of Revelations was added in the 5th century.

  121. Grace says:

    No wonder a rationalist says in his heart that there is no God because he is an ignorant fool who is faithless and too rational to digest the absolute truth that Jesus Christ is the one and only perfect, sinless Son of man + Son of God and that all His Words and promises can be trusted throughout eternity, unless he can see and touch Jesus!

    So, my dear rationalist hero, Dr Ali Sina, Jesus said this to all rationalists including you: “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 🙂

  122. Ali Sina says:

    The answer depends whom you ask. For a Christian, Jesus had an immaculate conception. In other words Mary became pregnant through holy Spirit and without male s spermatozoa.

    If you ask a rationalist, he will tell you the immaculate birth is a myth and Jesus was conceived by his father Joseph. The whole story of immaculate birth is a myth that early Christians fabricated, actually borrowed from earlier traditions, to make the birth of their messiah look miraculous.

    I am a rationalist and I subscribe to the latter version. In my view Jesus still remains a great man because of his teachings and there is no need to ascribe anything miraculous to him to make him look as such.

  123. test01 says:

    still it was not answered : any idea how Mariyam become pregnant.

  124. Val says:

    Excellent Ali! Thanks for saying these things. You have discerned the truth and found it to be in conflict with the Qur'an. In fact, you have done this many, many times. Your focus on narcissism and your ability to clearly see it an point it out is outstanding. You are doing a great service to mankind with this website and with Faithfreedom. I'm moving over here to alisina.org because I want to hear directly from you – you have established yourself as a formidable expert on these matters.

    Val

  125. johannes says:

    great post like always Ali Sina.. is there any text available today from the nestorian christians in those days.. in order to compare the similarities of islams understanding of jesus and this christian sect.. in which mohammed interacted with back then?

  126. Grace says:

    What makes you think that 'Mary was fabricated just like Jesus was'? It's unbelievable that even my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, believes that Jesus is a myth!

    Let's imagine that my beloved hero, Dr Ali Sina, expired today due to old age and I wrote a "Biography of Dr Ali Sina" by Grace and in the year 3011, you are a young fellow and happened to read it and come to know about this great hero who once walked on planet earth a thousand years ago. Does it mean that this great hero, Dr Ali Sina, is a myth? No, Dr Ali Sina is not a myth but a historian!

    You guys have to really stretch your brain and anyalyse the truth and then, you'll understand that Jesus Christ is not a myth but the Author of the Golden Rule, Who alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life! 🙂

  127. Ilah says:

    I think she was fabricated just like Jesus was.

  128. Ali Sina says:

    Thank you. In which language?

  129. I have started translating this article. Very informative indeed.

  130. Test01 says:

    any idea how Mariyam become pregnant.

  131. Grace says:

    I agree with you on that but I'll like to check with my dear Dr Ali Sina on his viewpoints about the role and influences of these 2 important figures in Muhammad's life. 🙂

  132. Ilah says:

    The most important part. Without them he most likely would not have been able to become a messenger/prophet.

  133. Ali Sina says:

    Great to hear that. Congratulations! I am sure if the truth comes out most good people will leave Islam. This will leave the fools who kill themselves in order to kill others think twice.
    Since Islam is not based on reason but hypes, when a large number of people leave this cult the die hard Muslims will be disheartened and they too may leave it.

  134. Ahmad says:

    Thank You Sina, I left Islam few years ago. And my wife and brother also left Islam. Now we live a peaceful life. Thank you. We are now a non Muslim Family 🙂

  135. Grace says:

    Hi Ali, do you think that Khadijh and her cousin played a part too?

  136. Khader Mohideen says:

    WOW ,
    Ali sina always Great !!!

  137. Khader Mohideen says:

    Wow ,
    Good article & informative .

    Is this the problem with Mohammad or Allah ?
    My bad , Allah is nothing but Mohammad's Alter EGO.
    The reason he validated Jesus was just he wanted to convince the Christians of his time in Arabia.
    Otherwise he would reject him(Jesus) like laat, ussa & Ammat.
    Even he tried to validate Laat,ussa & Ammat in some Koranic verses later he found this would spoil the whole mission( Islam), Then he lied that was Satanic inspired verses.

    The other thing he did to satisfy the Jews was Praying towards the Israeli Mosque.( referred as farthest Mosque in Koran).
    Then he found this would not convince any Jews to his Mission, Then he changed his praying direction towards the Old Pagan Temple alias Abraham's Old Mosque alias Kaaba ( The Black Cube Box temple).
    Was Allah changed his living place from Israeli Mosque to Black box Mosque 🙁

    Very Clear Cunning fellow who know what he do …!!

    :p:p

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