I am a university student. I was a Christian by birth and now I am humanist. I met some Muslims and it is kind of embarrassing to say, but I fell in love with one of them. I started to read about Islam and I really don`t like it. As a woman, I feel really discriminated. I’m sure he loves me a lot, but for Muslims their religion is more. I certainly i won’t be a Muslim. The fact is that I told him that I will be an atheist forever, and he tells me that he can’t marry with an atheist. I told him that if he proves me that Islam is a true religion I will marry him, I’ll wear a burkah, and I will let him to have the wives he wants. He told me he will invite me next year to argue with a Muslim cleric in Egypt and he will show me proofs.
I have argued about Islam but with common people and well, but I don’t know how it could be to argue with a cleric. I’m not afraid, for sure, but i want to argue well. So i have to ask for your book. It will help me a lot for this challenge, and if you have an advice, I will be grateful.
I admire how brave you are..
Let me warn you that you should not debate with any Muslim cleric. Why? Because Muslims lie and trick you. You are not prepared for that. You don’t know Islam and when they throw a lie at you, you can’t catch their lies. So you lose.
But I can defeat Muslims all the times. They can’t deceive me because I know Islam better than them. Read my book for your own information but tell this guy whom you are dating that he should invite his cleric and you invite me and we debate in writing. Then you’ll see he becomes scared. They know me and they know they can’t win over me unless there is snow in Islamic hell. Without lies Muslims are completely helpless. They are advancing because people know nothing about Islam and are easy prey.
Furthermore, this dude cannot prove Islam to you himself, but he has strong faith and believes his cleric will prove it. This says everything about Muslims. They are ignorant about Islam and yet they are convinced that it is a true religion and that someone can prove it. They have not read the Quran but tell you if you read it you will find it to be true. I always receive emails from these deluded Muslims who say Zakir Naik or some other Muslim scholar can prove me wrong, but conveniently these Muslim scholar don’t want to debate with me because I am beneath them. This is how Muslim mind works.
I always discourage people debating with Muslims unless they are very knowledgeable about Islam. Their confidence is misplaced. You can never win against deception. Unless you are an expert on Islam, you should not talk to Muslims. Let us say they claim Arabs used to bury their daughters alive and Muhammad elevated the status of women. Both these claims are false. But how do you counter them if you don’t know the facts? The defense against lies is facts, not logic. Lies can paralyze logic. Only facts and truth can destroy it.
Also what makes you think you will have any future with this guy when he tells you he is not going to marry an atheist? Leave him for Pete’s sake. The world is full of good men. Why do you have to fall in love with a cultist loser?
Dump him now – right now! Go out and find another person and start dating right away. You don’t need to explain anything to him. Just say you respect yourself more than wanting to sacrifice your future for a cultist brain dead Muslim. If he insists and becomes melodramatic, which most likely he will, give him my book and tell him to read it. If he refuses, or reads only a few pages, just dump him.
Don’t do stupid things Tina. You have only one life, don’t ruin it.
Thanks a lot. Yes I’ve tried to leave him many times, but i don’t know how. He appears again and certainly I don’t want to change my mind.
Yes and in that part you are right, when I argue, he says I don’t know Islam well and well and even if I can read everything I haven’t lived as a Muslim. He doesn’t want me to convert to Islam; he wants me to believe in God again.
Thanks a lot for your advices. I don’t know what happened with me really. I was just trying to understand people, but felt in love in that way. Would be great for me if he would become an apostate. Anyway, changing the mind of a person is very difficult.
Thanks a lot! I knew that I could find more help in apostates, because when I’ve tried in Muslims they discriminate me for being atheist…
An average person falls in love and falls out of it a dozen of times in their life. This man is lying to you when he says he does not want you to convert to Islam, but just believe in God. Why then Muhammad fought against the Jews and the Christians and why Muslims attacked Europe and Persia? All these people believed in God. I can detect their lies and deception because I was one of them. That is why they have stopped debating with me.
Furthermore, Muslims don’t believe in God. They believe in Allah, a very evil entity. Allah has all the characteristics of Satan. Even if you want to believe in God you should stay away from that diabolic character.
He will not become an apostate because he does not want to listen. Maybe if you dump him and he comes begging, you can give him my book and tell him if he wants to talk to you he should read this book from cover to cover. If he does, he will leave Islam. That is for certain. So maybe that is his salvation. But if he refuses, just shut the door and move on. This relationship will not bring you happiness. Let him find a Muslima who agrees that she is deficient in intelligence and does not mind obeying her husband and to be beaten. How can a human being accept so much humiliation and be devoted to a man who treated them like garbage? Unless you want to be like that, stay away from Islam and Muslims.
Even if you don’t care about your own future you have no right to destroy the future of your children. Will you forgive yourself if this man forces your daughter to wear hijab and forces her to marry another abusive Muslim man against her consent? Read the story of women who married to Muslim men. There are no happy endings, unless the guy is not Muslim and only calls himself with that name.
Furthermore, Muslims generally come from abusive patriarchal families. They are damaged as marriage material. A Muslim man sees a woman as an object. That is how his father treated his mother and that is what he knows about relationships. He is also very possessive. Possessiveness is not love. It is insecurity which manifests itself in violence.
Yes, I know! That’s what I told him… that Islam is not good for my daughters. I will think more about this. Sure you know more about it. If he refuses to read your book, I´ll leave him… it’s the best… but why do you think he says he loves me? To spread the religion in a cruel way?
He says he loves you because probably he does. Muslims are humans with feelings too. The problem is that their cult takes precedence over everything else including their humanity.
Do you think that the parents who honor-kill their daughters don’t love them? Of course any living being loves its offspring. Muslims love their children and yet they kill them if they talk to a boy, or they sent them to blow themselves up. Islam has possessed them to an extent that it overshadows their humanity. They are reduced into unthinking zombies. You will never be happy with a cultist. Muslims are not religious. They are cultists.
They are victims but you can’t save them. They must save themselves. To save someone sinking in a quagmire, you have to position yourself in a solid ground and throw him a rope. It is then up to him to grab that rope and pull himself up. You must never step into the mire or you too will be drowned.
The salvation for Muslims is available. All they have to do is read my article sand my book and they will be set free. But we can’t force them to read if they don’t want to read. Just stay away from them. They will self-destruct and the survivors will leave Islam.
He says you don’t know Islam, but he does not know it either. The problem is that he does not want to know the truth about it. He loves to fill his mind with more lies because in that way his bobble universe of self-deception will remain intact. Like a caterpillar, Muslim have woven a cocoon of lies around tjemselves and are protective of it. You can’t help them. They have to break themself loose from that cocoon and fly out of it. Freedom is a personal choice.