Islam is the Emperor’s New Clothe

Dear Sir
I agree with you about the Qu’ran and the Hadith. Muhammed was an evil pervert, (if he existed).
Is the main reason muslims stick with this evil because of the punishment for apostates?
I am British and in this country even though people despise islam in private, they are less keen to announce it publicly. They fear being labeled a racist or fascist.
What is your suggested course of action to counter this? When will the political elite wake up? What will be the tipping point?
Finally, is Islam collapsing or is that just wishful thinking?
Regards

 

The reason Muslims stick to their faith is for the fear of hell. This fear has paralyzed their minds to such an extent that they are unwilling to entertain the thought that Muhammad may have been a liar.  They won’t even consider reading a book or an article written against him that may open their eyes.

You ask what to do to counter the spread of Islam. You say most people despise Islam in private, but they are not keen to announce it publicly, lest they become labeled as racist or fascist.  Well, that is the problem.  People have cornered themselves. The solution is simple. Get out of the closet and announce publicly that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy and that it has no place in your country.

Criticism of a religion is not racism.  The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist?  Why it is smart to criticize Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other faiths, but it is racist to criticize Islam?

This is the Islamic deception in which many non-Muslims, particularly the leftists take part.  Islam is not a race.  What is the race of Islam?  They want to bully you into silence and you should not give in to bullying.

Islam is also fascism.   It is Islam that does not believe in democracy, equality, and the brotherhood of all the people. It is Islam that promotes religious supremacy.  It is Islam that is misogynist.  And it is Islam that plots to dominate the world with a single world government. These are fascistic ideas.

Any time we criticize Islam, Muslims and their fascist friends come to its defense and say that there are also moderate people among Muslims.  We are talking about Islam, which is, a religion and a political ideology.  The fact that there are Muslims that don’t observe their religion and therefore are moderate, is red herring and irrelevant to what Islam teaches.

Anyone who prevents you speaking your mind against any ideology is a fascist. Don’t hesitate to call that person by that name.  Don’t be on the defensive. The best defense is in offence. Immediately call them fascist for they are the ones who try to suppress your freedom of speech and defend a misogynistic ideology of hate, violence and domination. We have to turn the table on these fascists and put the defenders of Islam to shame.  We can’t win this war by walking on eggshells. Without resorting to physical violence be aggressive in your attack of Islam.

You won’t believe the email I received a couple of days ago.  Someone wrote, “The Bombay and recently the Kenyan attacks by Muslims have been bothering me as they separated the Muslims from non-Muslims by asking them questions about Islam.  If I am caught by in a similar situation how can I and my family pass off as a Muslim. Can you tell me how should I dress and what facts I need to know about Islam and Mohammed?  Also can you tell me how to perform the Muslim prayer and can you tell 2 or 3 verses in Arabic which I can remember by heart? I would be grateful for your advice to stay alive from the jihadis.”

This is exactly what Muslims want and it is how they won.  They intimidated people who for saving their sorry lives sheepishly pretended to be Muslim. In just two generations, the children of those cowards became fanatical Muslims and now we are suffering their persecution.  Why save such a life lived in cowardice?  Isn’t death better than this shameless life?

We won’t win this war with cowardice.   Islamic fascism thrives through their victims’ cowardice.  So what if they call you racist or fascist?  Call them back with the same names and carry on attacking Islam.  Don’t let them bully you into silence.

You ask when the political elite will wake up. They will wake up when the public wakes up.  You say that the majority of people know the truth about Islam but they are afraid to talk about it publicly. The same is true in regards to the politicians. In fact the politicians are under more pressure. If an average citizen is afraid to speak his mind, and you seem to have accepted it, and probably do it yourself, why do you expect the politicians to put their career online?  They have a lot more to lose.  So if you don’t have the courage to do the right thing, don’t blame others. As Jesus said, throw the stone if you yourself are not a sinner.

Politicians know, at least as much as the public knows, but they think, it is politically expedient to lie and play the deceptive game, lest they cause a scandal and are forced to apologize or resign their posts. They will have the courage to speak when the public gains that courage. The public is you.  Do you have the courage to denounce Islam publicly or anywhere outside your bedroom? If the answer is no, then you don’t deserve freedom.

 

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Islam is the emperor’s new clothes. Everyone with commonsense can see it is a religion of terror, but no one dares to say it for the fear of being attacked as racist and fascist.  The deceptions of the emperor’s invisible clothe is exposed when a child in the crowd, too young to understand the desirability of keeping up the pretense, blurts out that the Emperor is naked and the cry is taken up by others. If you want to end this charade about Islam, you have to act like that child and blurt out that Islam is a religion of hate.  Once you do that, others will take courage and your cry will be taken up.  Then the politicians will find the courage to do what they are supposed to do, i.e. defend your country against its enemies.

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  1. Skorpius says:

    Muslim monarchs, emirs, kings, sultans, caliphs, civil and religious authorities MUST preserve, impose and expand Islam all over the world,  NO matter the cost because Islam is the source and foundation of their immense wealth -stealing the oil revenues of their people; Islam also grants them absolute power as demigods and allows men to become sexual per^Verts, ped0philes, polygamists with hundreds of child concubines girls and boys. No wonder these guys must be cruel, immoral, perverse otherwise Satan would take away their immense fortunes, absolute power and sexual pleasures.

  2. Roy says:

    I saw a photo of. a mass marriage ceremony of at least 40 men from Hamas they were in their 20s&30s with 7 year old brides   So they follow Mohammad's example   

  3. Roy says:

    Wow so Mohammed married a 9 year old girl and an11 year girl. We call that being a peadophile.  

  4. rubayasiraj says:

    Good for you. I used to be one and I wasn't. Not because I was beaten by my husband, not because I had to wear hijab, not because I had to marry a man who has three other wives, etc. Because I found NO PEACE in worshipping God. I used to pray five times a day as sincerely as I could. In the Quran it says that namaz keeps you away from committing immodest sins. Well, guess what? I committed an immodest sin with my pious boyfriend a few hours after saying my Fajr prayer (who prays more than me), left him in my room, bathed, performed wudu and prayed in another room! Got my point? Now after becoming an atheist I would rather die than commit adultery, although I have nothing against it. I am really ashamed to share my secret and to embarass the readers. I am sorry. But some people need to see the light.

  5. rubayasiraj says:

    Then read Ali Sina's book 'Understanding Muhammad'.

  6. ihateislam says:

    He was a dwarf and obese. More like a monster from the depths of hell.

  7. Isle says:

    @Akshat,
    I absolutely agree with you. They refused to learn, prefer to turn a blind eye to the many atrocities committed in the name of this lone religion. We do not know what has happened to their mind…refused to see the truth as it is. What does it take to remain where they are. We've seen most Muslim countries were backward in many ways, most being controlled by war lords and these war lords were many thriving for control among them within the territory without end. It is as though these countries were infested with thugs and rebels who have clothe themselves in the garment of Islam. The is the scenario we people of the world perceived through the window of our eyes and not Ali Sina who has distorted Islam in any way. We've to be truthful with ourselves in order to be truthful with others.

  8. Godwin says:

    AL-QAEDA IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA HAS BEGUN POSTING INTERNET ADVERTISEMENTS OFFERING TRAINING FOR SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET THE great satanic empires of THE kafir rulers, SUCH AS the USA, ISRAEL, UK, FRANCE and all OTHER Infidel lands where possible.

    Any Muslim needs a Job? Just Email Al-Qaeda…!

  9. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear aminthemystic,
    "Why don't you have a go and prove one single absurdity or error? "
    Okay you give the answer why a time Allah says such words but another place it also tell agianst.
    Wamin kulli shay-in khalaqna zawjayni laAAallakum tathakkaroona
    And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

    But Again in 37:150 Am khalaqna almala-ikata inathan wahum shahidoona
    Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)
    43:19 WajaAAaloo almala-ikata allatheena hum AAibadu alrrahmani inathan ashahidoo khalqahum satuktabu shahadatuhum wayus-aloona
    And they make into females angels who themselves serve Allah. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!
    53:27 Inna allatheena la yu/minoona bial-akhirati layusammoona almala-ikata tasmiyata al-ontha
    Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
    53:28 Wama lahum bihi min AAilmin in yattabiAAoona illa alththanna wa-inna alththanna la yughnee mina alhaqqi shay-an
    But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth.
    53:29 FaaAArid AAan man tawalla AAan thikrina walam yurid illa alhayata alddunya
    Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world.
    Here Quran denying that angles are not females. so, where is the pair of angels?

  10. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Kismet,

    My dear Sister Narcole already accept it "Noooo…i want whats exactly written….from grass…and very softly…."

    So her husband will use bamboo Stick because bamboo is belongs to grass family so she has no problem.

  11. gandalftheshining says:

    Thats right, keep telling yourself it is peace. Other people know the truth.
    One day, you too may see the truth.
    Your book has lied to you .
    Mohammed has lied to you.
    Even Allah has – ' The great deceiver'.
    Do you think you will escape from the lies?
    Only you can decide that.
    I know how difficult it is to be a true Muslim.
    (The confusion of the Koran deliberately makes it difficult, to create strife and Fitna -even amongst believers).
    But that is all up- to you, as a non-believer, I have my own problems with your intolerant ideology.
    If you wish search 'TROP' online, to see how I will be treated, as a non-believer, (even if I know nothing about Islam).

  12. gandalftheshining says:

    Is genuphobia a genuine phobia?

    And as for Kolpophobi, does this explain the practice of female genital removal – with or without anaesthetic?

    The age of the girls varies from weeks after birth to puberty; in half the countries for which figures were available in 2013, most girls were cut before the age of five.[5]
    The practice involves one or more of several procedures, which vary according to the ethnic group. They include removal of all or part of the clitoris and clitoral hood; all or part of the clitoris and inner labia; and in its most severe form (infibulation) all or part of the inner and outer labia and the fusion of the wound. In this last procedure, which the WHO calls Type III FGM, a small hole is left for the passage of urine and menstrual blood, and the wound is opened up for intercourse and childbirth.[10] The health effects depend on the procedure but can include recurrent infections, chronic pain, infertility, epidermoid cysts, complications during childbirth and fatal bleeding.[11]
    Religious beliefs, from which this stems, have a lot to answer for.
    And , i agree, not necessarily directly, but a male orientated society, often wants to create an atmosphere of oppression to women.
    What better way, than to take away some of their womanhood, at an early age?

  13. gandalftheshining says:

    Nobody likes threats that they will be killed. Every person has a self-preservation instinct. And when that is threatened , they react . The very real threat of being killed by an islam terrorist is unlikely, but try asking the relatives of the Nairobi mall massacre ( and torture) , or the survivors, how THEY feel. They certainly won't have much sympathy for the concept of 'Islamophobia'.

  14. gandalftheshining says:

    All this interesting conversation made me forget a vital point .

    In 1462 , Christopher Columbus 'discovered America'.
    Why was he looking?
    He was looking to find a 'western' route for trade. Africa and the Mediterranean was too dangerous -with barbary pirates, and Islamic slave trade pouncing on any Christian venture nearby.
    (Between about 1550 and 1750 ad over a million Europeans were sold into slavery ( I am not saying anyone in particular was responsible – just that it was a dangerous place to have a holiday or ply trade)

    The Dark age of europe, was created primarily by the strength of Islam around the Mediterranean, trade and communication were choked off.
    So people were looking to find a new route for trade.
    Hence America was founded.
    Is this why Islam hates America so much – it enabled trade and communication to flourish once more?

  15. gandalftheshining says:

    Mr peaceful.
    My suggestion, in all humility, is that you read your holy book, the Koran.
    It may be peaceful to you as a Muslim, and i respect your religious views.
    BUT THERE IS NO WAY IT IS PEACEFUL TO ME, as a non-Muslim.
    I point you to the verses, Mr Peaceful.
    Koran 9.05 'slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, '
    8.12 'I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.'
    20.71 ' [020_071] (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he is your chief who taught you magic. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, punishment.and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees, and ye shall know for certain which of us hath sterner and more lasting '
    2.91 'And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. '
    5.33 'The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, '
    48.16 'Say unto those of the wandering Arabs who were left behind: Ye will be called against a folk of mighty prowess, to fight them until they surrender; and if ye obey, Allah will give you a fair reward; but if ye turn away as ye did turn away before, He will punish you with a painful doom'

    48.16 is interesting, if the believers refuse to fight the non-believers, THEY will meet a terrible doom.

    So uummm, where were we, oh yes peaceful…. hhmmmmm….torture, maiming, killing….

    If you are still not convinced, search 'TROP' online, to see how non-believers are treated. ( Which confirms that the verses in the Koran are taken as commands, and acted upon by Pious Muslims.

  16. gandalftheshining says:

    The only problem I see, is that they make tasty curries. For that I can forgive a lot, but obviously, not everything.

  17. gandalftheshining says:

    Shalom, I like to see you are caring for your daughter in the best way. By providing medication, and bandages. I would like to see you have a conversation with her, about contraception. Its the modern way to stop too many children. (Unlike those rearward Islamic positions to prevent conception). But I see you do care, and are providing a room, where she can recuperate from the beatings.
    I too, would attend a Somali training camp, but only to make sure the training are adhering to the latest guidelines of Health and Safety in the workplace.
    We don't like to see accidental injuries in the workplace, and these training camps have not got a good H and S record, from the satellite pictures I have seen.
    And, the audit of their paperwork is deplorable.
    But the EU is adressing this problem, and now provides H and S documentation specifically for Jihadi training camps in 194 different languages around the world. (Other languages can be accomodated by phone contact).
    I wish you well, and I only hope you are blessed with many camels, and that your daughters genitalia remain intact.

  18. Ali Sina says:

    Except the last sentence that is true I never read any of the things you said above. Where did you read them? Or did you just made them up?

  19. knowTheEnemy says:

    Correct. But the problem is that whereas non-Muslim British think they can make Muslims feel guilty by pointing out they are living on welfare, Muslims see the welfare benefits as jizya and feel proud to receive it!

    Unfortunately, until the non-Muslims of UK team up and refuse to pay taxes, this one way jizya will continue.

  20. l.Simenon says:

    Do you know dumbo that Muslims in India can merry four women.The population is increasing like wildfire due to this.This is the root of this problem.Muslims produce at least 50 children from four wives.India is a developing country. It's not a developed one.The priority of the Government is to provide the people with basic needs.The Indian govt provides Haj subsidy to Muslims….yes Haj subsidy in a secular democratic country.Every tax payer Hindu gives 20,000 rupees as tax for the Muslims.Please do your homework well before posting these kinds of nonsense things. If Muslims have problems with India why don't they leave this nation.I'm a french,but living in India now.Indian people are very friendly.I love a nation like India which is the culturally richest country on earth.

  21. castro says:

    he quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of Muhammad was bitten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before Muhammad mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that Muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings

  22. dave montgomery says:

    you left Taslima Nasreen bro who was an Bangladeshi.I don't know where she lives now.what ever she once said that 72 virgins can be gotten in heaven by killing non believers,but 72 men can't be.lol.

  23. k.gautier says:

    six amongst ten Muslims are illiterate……………lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  24. castro says:

    he quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of muhammad was biten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before muham mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings

  25. castro says:

    The quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of muhammad was biten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before muham mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings

  26. castro says:

    The quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of MuhammadThe quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of muhammad was biten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before muham mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings was biten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before Muhammad mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings

  27. castro says:

    The quoran is so scientific that it says earth is flat…Ya. Muhammad was a pedophile.. The Muslims are allowed to eat pork at the time of Eid Only. The Reason behind 30 days fasting is that the penis of Muhammad was bitten by dog while he has attempting to rape little innocent girl. So he had a pain for 30 days where did not allowed to take a food for his robber gangs.But the Ali the second robber leader was so clever that he used to have a food before Muhammad mad woke and after he slept. It was known later that Muhammad died either bcoz of rabies. or AIDS. He was so fond of pork that he made haram for other as in Arab at that time there was very few pigs. He used to have alone. He used to only teach about hatred and killings

  28. Godwin says:

    living on social welfare, I meant ( sorry for typo error ).

  29. Godwin says:

    Interesting : 50 millions Muslims in Europe and 80% are beggars loving on social welfare. Watch You tube . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a45zobzuOo

  30. DREAMLAND says:

    Burka Woman – Funny

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  31. kismet says:

    You sound like a parrot, Peaceful …… typical !

  32. ihateislam says:

    peaceful'
    "-THEY DON'T LIKE ISLAM OR THE SPREAD OF ISLAM".
    The truth of the matter is that there is nothing that a reasonable person finds in muhammadanism that will make him/her like it. The endless contradictions in the quran is a fertile bed for confusion. And where confusion reigns anarchy is not far away.
    Muhammadans claim that the Torah was corrupted by the Jews without stating when and where it was done and who did it. In quoting sura 19, Mary or Maryam, on the characteristics of John the Baptist, "O YAHAYA! HOLD FAST TO THE SCRIPTURE TAWRAH" ibn Kathir says this 'MEANS , LEARN THE BOOK WITH STRENGTH. IN OTHER WORDS, LEARN IT WELL, WITH ZEAL FOR GOOD AND THE PURSUIT OF GOOD'".
    JOHN was the forerunner of the Promised Messiah, would God have asked him to learn with zeal for good and the pursuit of good, if the Torah had been corrupted?
    Any objective reader who is not blinded by bigotry cannot and should not fail to see such contradiction.
    But the muhammadans cannot see this because they neither read to discover things themselves nor are they objective.

  33. Godwin says:

    peaceful,

    To speak out to the world wide audiences in the internet is far better. Everybody can access to the speeches in you tube of Pat Candell, Robert Spencer, David Wood, P.Geller and many ex Muslims incuding the son of Hamas leader. Go n listen to their peaceful speeches n enjoy !

  34. ihateislam says:

    Jacob,
    Instead of just boring us with unsubstantiated noise about "WHAT ISLAM CONTRIBUTED TO ANICANT ARABIA AND THE WORLD UP TILL MODERN TIMES-" why don't you furnish what those contributions are or were? That will make more sense than empty boasts.
    It will be absolutely idiotic to quote a whole book or article in support of a submission. Only parts relevant to the issue are quoted. There is nothing lazy or deceitful in that.
    If you have an iota of evidence that any of your 'works' has been misquoted or quoted out of context, it would be better for you to reproduce the 'work' and show where the mischief was made. Anything short of that does not avail your cause. Rather, it shows that what has been presented stands correct.

  35. ihateislam says:

    peaceful,
    Your laughable claim that "ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE" is not only evil but qualifies you as a nitwit in the " revered" opinion of the late Ayatollah Khomeini. The imam said that any one who claims that muhammadanism counsels against war (i.e.it is peaceful) is ignorant of the creed. He advocated a situation where there will be a caliph using the mosque to call for wars as Muhammad and his "rightly guided followers" did. The imam wanted a caliph who will behead and cut limbs as it was done in the days of old. To him "jihad" was incumbent upon every able bodied male muhammadan so that they will conquer the world for their god.
    Such a recipe has nothing to do with peace. It destroys it. Far from being a religion of peace, muhammadanism destroys peace.

  36. ihateislam says:

    peaceful,
    "-I CAN RECOGNIZE YOU ARE JEWISH ZIONIST WHO IS JELOUS AND LIAR AND SPOUTS LIES-"
    In one of your posts you said that non muhammadans are deceitful and lazy. Is the bias you have shown against the entire Jewish race based on your personal knowledge of them or only on the nonsense you have read in the quran and heard from your mullahs? Before swallowing such a heavily value laden gabbage, did you take just a moment to verify what you have heard about the Jews? I can tell you that the answer is:NO.
    Does this failure not show that you are a lazy, deceitful liar who spouts lies to malign a whole race noted for their positive contributions to humanity?

  37. Ali Sina says:

    @peaceful.

    You say people have no courage to speak bad thing about Islam in public. Why? Isn't it because they are afraid of peaceful Muslims like you? Maybe the peaceful Muslims will behead them if they speak freely.

  38. Ali Sina says:

    @Jacob,

    Islam did not contribute anything good to the world. In the 6th edition of Understanding Muhammad I showed how communism, Nazism, fascism, secret societies, Mafia, the cult of Thugs in India, misogyny, the demise of the classical civilization in the West, the delaying of enlightenment in Iran, and countless other plagues were all the due to Islam. No good ever proceeded from this evil cult, just death and misery.

  39. peaceful says:

    All are just frustrated coward people here on this website who lack the courage to speak bad things about Islam in public in the front of everone. 

  40. peaceful says:

    by your nature of words i can recognize you are a jewish zionist who is jelous and liar and spouts lies because they dont like Islam or the spread of Islam. 

  41. Godwin says:

    @ Jakob, Painting a bias version of the text ? Without your truthful text, you think the pious believers will do these evil deeds like killing the apostates, honor killings, female child marriages, female genital mutilation, beating of wives, mob justice, burning of churches, killing the infidels and suicide bombings in the name of Allah.

    The worst thing that is happening now is that they are slaughtering one another all over muzzy lands with this truthful text in hand, even exploding bombs inside the mosques. The infidels can only sell them the guns and bombs, making huge profits. Thanks to the truthful text, which had created the business for the Western nations, and also had created so many killing fields all over.

  42. Jakob says:

    Again read all the countless other post on this website and others and how they proved Ali Sina and his followers wrong (if they were not deleted that is )

    Important things to remember :History, full quotes of text not just parts of text (thats lazy) be truthful of the text and one of the most important CONTEXT and be truthful in what Islam contributed to anicant Arabia and the world up until moderen times (please reframe from normal anti Islam rant)

    Painting a bias version of text by not being truthful and not showing the context of the text and only showing parts of the text to suit your needs is lazy and deceitful

    -Jakob

  43. lonelyloner says:

    Thank you sir. You've just shown us all that the label Islamophobia, is a lie.
    Such simple beautiful explanation that totally cleared all doubts.
    Again, thank you.

  44. peaceful says:

    you dogs are evil how dare you say such evil things Islam is religion of peace only peace.
    Islam is religion of peace Islam is religion of peace Islam is religion of peace Islam is religion of peace Islam is religion of peace Islam is religion of peace.

  45. lonelyloner says:

    "What is wrong in this religion" ?

    One need not look far. Just look at what Narcole here is doing.

    Keep taunting your way to victory kid.

  46. lonelyloner says:

    Congratulations Aminthemystic and Narcole.

  47. ihateislam says:

    "-SO IN HUMANS EYES, EVIL HUMANS STILL LOOK LIKE HUMANS. BUT TO HOLY PERSONS THEY STILL COULD NOTICE. FOR EXAMPLE SEEING A HUMAN WITH SNAKE OR DOGS HEAD FOR NOT PRAYING ETC".
    If that is so then Muhammad must have had such a head for it is recorded that when he was gravely sick he sometime skipped prayer and asked one of his followers to take his place.
    Insanity exists in different stages or degrees and a good example of the early form of it led to the above quoted statement. What is needed now is a check before it gets out of hand.

  48. ihateislam says:

    Muhammad fell in love with buraq because it had the face of a woman. Meanwhile, he never physically saw it. He only dreamed about it while asleep with saliva dripping from his mouth. Who knows what induced the dream, narcotics or schizophrenia! Such chicanery has now formed the belief system of 1.3 billion people.

  49. ihateislam says:

    Jakob,
    If anyone has not read muhammadan literature, that person is undoubtedly you because if you had then it would have become clear that what Ali Sina and others say about muhammadanism is true. They extract from muhammadan texts ranging from the quran to the hadiths, sira, tafseers and the opinions of contemporary 'scholars', 'jurists' and leaders. A community reading of all the texts confirm that muhammadanism is both false and violent. To claim that it is peaceful is to abuse that word. Muhammadans only know the semblance of peace where they are in an insignificant minority.
    Ibn Kathir's tafseer on sura 9, Tawbah or Repentance is a declaration of endless war on the people of the book. They are to pay the jizyah as kufr in total disgrace because they are idolaters and disbelievers. The tafseer admonishes those who cling to life instead of rushing to jihad which is required in all conditions.
    How do such conditions lead to peace? Do they not mean perpetual subjugation of non muhammadans?
    Ibn Kathir is acknowledged as the most authoritative commentator on muhammadanism.
    If you say that those who reproduce such things are ignorant, then prove that you know better.

  50. Demsci says:

    //"instead they are still taking the easy way and spewing the same non factual dribble"//

    In response I for one just like to point out that divers "counterjihadist" websites for quite some time now have been monitoring what it is that

    Muslims themselves point out what Islam is and is not, ordains and forbids and allows. Especially via Jihad Watch and MEMRI TV.

    Robert Spencer of JW has a habit of joking about how Islam-apologists "are even now on their way" to correct yet another ISLAMIC MISUNDERSTANDER OF ISLAM, whom is reported by MEMRI TV and/ or JW and very often in the mainstream media too.

    His point is that Islam-apologists love to paint the picture as if it are ONLY the counterjihadists that interpret the Islamic texts in a wrong, bigoted way. But countless times it is shown that the counterjihadists merely echo what real Islamic scholars and leaders throughout the Islamic world are saying and practising saying that is how the Islamic holy texts should be interpreted.

    So if you are an Islam-apologist, countless times it is shown that it is many of your own brethren that openly disagree with your version of Islam, and that what the counterjihadists do is REPORT ABOUT IT and then comment on it. So they do NOT make up false, obsolete, dribblish interpretations of Islam as you suggest, they copy them from genuine Muslims, only instead of supporting them they expose them.

    You have primarily to deal with other Muslims, who contradict and ruin your version of Islam, and only after that with counterjihadists.

  51. Jakob says:

    Looks like Ali Sina and his followers did not listen to others advise and study Islam and its history laws and text, instead they are still taking the easy way and spewing the same non factual dribble
    Ali Sina Fooling the lazy, bigoted, Dimwitted and extremist since the 1980's

    -Jakob

    [youtube 5hfYJsQAhl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 youtube]

  52. Phoenix says:

    @narcole

    WOW…a bulbubird?Really??? I got nothing more to say.Chuck got you good.

  53. Phoenix says:

    But about adultery – or extra martial affair – not necessarily sexual."

    So adultery in Islam is not necessarily sexual.This is an astonishing concession.What would constitute adultery in Islam?For a woman to look at another man,perhaps smile at him or even a simple greeting?That's really sad.

  54. cchuckc says:

    @Hass,
    //Accusing a 6 year old of lusting after a 56 year old man. Shame on you! //
    This is very typical. In Islamic logic, one should strive to 'save' Muhammad even if it means discrediting any other person or being be that a 6 year old kid, or Jesus.

  55. Hass says:

    You make sick. Accusing a 6 year old of lusting after a 56 year old man. Shame on you!

    Ex-Muslim.

  56. Godwin says:

    President Obama said, ‘The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam’

    Well, Mr. President, if mankind is to survive with its humanity and dignity, then future must not belong to Muhammad and his Islam…………………an interesting article fom Islam watch.

  57. Demsci says:

    Addition. It is worth noting also that about this principle of "hate the sin, love the sinner" I know that many, many counterjihadists deny it's validity, dismiss it, brush it away, in the same way Amin does. But with different conclusions and consequences of course.

  58. Demsci says:

    Me: "But of course you will always either ignore or ultimately discredit, dismiss and deny anything, anything at all";
    You: "I never "IGNORE" Me: But you cannot possibly answer everything, rather only a fraction. Especially in this "Twitter-age". And you cherrypick, but our side does this also.

    You:"As for others . . . yes of course I do that! Doh! If something is incorrect and false . . . . like your little lie there . . . the correct action is to DENY It ";
    "If someone like Chuck claims to have extensive phiolosophy knowledge – and really doesn't . . . you EXPOSE and DISCREDIT that person."//

    Me: I think the motivation of correcting something incorrect and false and demonstrating claims being untrue is about truthfinding. Even then, proving a negative (like absence of Chuck's philosophy-knowledge) is problematic to say the least (think about Russell's example-claim of the teapot behind the Moon).

    And with you I think having Islam and yourself "WIN" clearly trumps any motivation for truthfinding you might have. But truthfinding and moving the discussion meaningful forward should trump that, I think.

    As for your claim to be more of an upholder of Democratic principles than Ali Sina and me; Do you see these principles as supreme even trumping the ones in contradiction to shariah-principles (as we do) ? Do you want them to survive and thrive and spread (as we do)? (If need be in coexistence with a few harmless shariah-states?) Or do you perhaps think our constitution is a suicidepact?

  59. Demsci says:

    "The problem is not that "I am Dishonest" as you put it.
    Rather it is that you want Islam to win and you want to win yourself in the discussion. At all costs. This is your highest purpose.

    By the way what if Islam could win by you losing at times?

    I want truth to win and to help move the necessary, valid and still raging discussion of Islam versus Democracy forward, in order to peacefully resolve it.

    And yes, I do want Democracy to win over Shariah (not totally).

    And these motivations trump my desire of "winning" myself. So I can be vulnerable, open, conceding.

    Perhaps I would let the motivation to let Democracy survive in an extreme case to trump the motivation of truthfinding, but normally truthfinding is my highest value and motivation.

  60. Demsci says:

    //"You are LYING again . . . Julia's abuse WAS against me as a person. End of."//

    Oh, no, on rare occasions she explicitly explained that she only excoriated you with "verbal abuse" because of the Islamness in you and your defense of Islam.

    And of course she would only use the legal  way of verbal abuse only and not the illegal way of violence or inciting to it.

    She was clearly into the principle "Hate the Sin, love the Sinner" (or at least accept/ respect the Sinner). And that principle is at the heart of the matter (between Julia, you and me but also in many other discussions). So many people consider it nonsense, invalid.

    But from an intelligent, well educated man like you I expect at least acknowledgement of the existence of this principle. And giving a person at first the benefit of the doubt that he may really believe this. And I expect empathy from you. 

    After that  you can explain why you reject this principle and perhaps why you suspect your opponents do not believe in and do not practice this principle.

    I think it is vile, by an intelligent, knowledgeable person like you,

    to deny this principle some respect, even if you can't consider it valid,

    and moreover to swipe away this principle as the motivation of an opponent in absolute terms.

    It indicates that you are primarily interested in Islam and you yourself to WIN and let opponents LOSE, to readers who act as judges and jury.

    But my intention is that in the long term the still raging and important and useful Islam-democracy-debate is resolved somehow in a peaceful method.

    As I firmly believe Islam can no longer "win" totally.

  61. Demsci says:

    //"You can support vile abuse against someone . . .and claim you have paid them compliments."//

    Talking in general, not about what I personally did: Isn't it possible that person A (an Amin) perceives (rightly or wrongly) that he has been abused in a vile way by person B (a Julia), that afterwards a 3rd person C (like me) then does support person B against A but solely on the basis of B's goals and arguments? And so C might not be supporting, only allowing, the verbal abuse of B against A?

    And, isn't it perfectly possible for C to compliment A at times in between supporting B's goals and arguments and allowing B's verbal abuse?

    The important thing is that C allows verbal abuse from BOTH sides, irrespective of whether or not they actually use the verbal abuse.

    But obviously C can be in favor of B's goals and opposed to A's goals. While C perfectly can be for or against the arguments of both at times.

  62. Demsci says:

    Ali Sina and others here and in many places gives many examples, about what they find wrong of which has been decided by Allah and his messenger:
    – The passages in Bukhari about deathpenalty for apostasy. VERY wrong under Democracy, with the freedom of religion, so also the freedom of changing one's religion.
    – Quran 4.34. Recommendation to beat wives because of suspicion of disobedience.
    – Quran (2.262?): Amounting to the testimony of 1 man being equivalent to that of 2 women.
    – Mohammed being called the perfect man to emulate by his followers, when he, in Sira and Hadiths, often is shown to give bad example for behavior according to critics.

    That sort of thing.

  63. cchuckc says:

    @aminthemystic
    //If someone like Chuck claims to have extensive phiolosophy knowledge – and really doesn't . . . you EXPOSE and DISCREDIT that person. //
    Still smarting after how your scholarship was exposed:-). You don't even need discrediting. Apart as my knowledge of Philosophy is concerned we are yet to have a discourse on Philosophy for you to be even able to comment on it. Like most of your boastful comments here, this is also bogus and nothing else. You made a comment on 4:34 that I refuted. You didn't come up with a repartee on a subject that you keep on boasting about. You made an off the cuff remark about a comment I made to @Narcole relating a conversation of which you may not have much knowledge. I mean, the list is simply amazingly endless. Look within.

  64. Godwin says:

    Amin and Nicole, Why you 2 dare not face up to the fact that Muslims are slaughtering Muslims in many Muslim countries. Tell me WHY?????? ANY ILLOGICAL EXPLANTION ? Were they brainwashed to kill since childhood.?

  65. Phoenix says:

    I don't see how you gutted my analogy.The purpose was to illustrate the lack of choice under the guise of a rhetorical question…"Money or your life".The Islamic version of which is…"Islam or your life."

    Ill give a passage from the hadith to support my argument,The following is from Bukhari where a muslim threatens to chop off a man's head lest he accepts Islam. http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadit
    Bukhari5:59:643
    "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah.

  66. kismet says:

    Amin……since you didn't give me an asnwer, then I will consider you an escapee….or a liar who have no knowledge in Arabic. In this case, either Allah didn't dictate the Koran, or Allah's Arabic is bad. Allah must go back to school, and try to rewrite the Koran correctly. You lost, Amin,…..and if you truly love Islam, the best service you can do for it is to keep your mouth shut and not to try to defend it, because you are only making it worse.

  67. NKhan says:

    So what is wrong in it which has been decided by allah and his messenger ?
    Can u give an example ?

  68. Demsci says:

    //"If that fails . . . post something of the comment . . . so I can locate it."//

    Well, you and interested readers should focus on the passages where Search4Truth provides many evidences, with sources. And then your responses to them.

    That will show readers that giving evidence to you is answered by you in a variety of ways all resulting in you ultimately dismissing it. So what is the use of giving you evidence, one may ask? What is the use of you asking for it, when you apparently will dismiss and deny or evade everything essential of that anyway?

    – You dismissed evidence on ground of bias of the source, Koenraad vd Elst, being too pro-Hindu, according to you, .
    – You called Search4truth "copy-paste-merchant" for providing you with many sourced chunks of evidence.
    – You engaged in Ad Hominems, of course cleverly disguised as comments on messages only.
    – You denied and dismissed evidence on all possible grounds.

    He acted as prosecutor and you as defender of Islam, but a judge was sadly missing. And without a judge I think you will NOT CONCEDE ANYTHING EVER,  at least anything essential, no matter what and how much evidence is thrown at you.

  69. Demsci says:

    //"The person already knows . . . hence it should be easy for him to post these videos . . . or the case might be he is simply lying"//
    the case MIGHT be but NEED NOT be he is lying. You Amin, often conclude prematurely, illogically, invalidly that a person LIES, just because (s)he does not furnish evidence. You then sometimes proceed by calling a person dishonest based on that invalid conclusion.

    Now, I am not ashamed to say I learn much from you and once again I looked at your link.

    It said among other things;
    //"It is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning."//
    //"Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.'//

    It seems to me that you regularly engage in  fallacious reasoning in that you often  DO dismiss
    something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt. In addition you often conclude claims of opponents are lies or worthless,also on this basis. But that is a fallacy.

    This is what you often did with my claims and opinions, and you did it too with Chuck when he said that he was well versed in philosophy.

    And you called both of us liars and dishonest. You often claimed to have exposed lies from Ali Sina and me and divers posters. But it seems to me that those allegations of lying of opponents made by you almost all and always  rest on your illogical dismissals of claims who are still valid (as the extreme example of the teapot in outer space shows).

  70. Sakat says:

    Dear Narcole ,Mohammed was only aware of sword ,if he had access to bomb ,which was distant reality for his time(it was beyond his imaginations hahaha) ,it would have found place in Quran(the war manual) from Allha through Gabriel from, the medium of Mohammed of course,hahaha.

  71. amerxp says:

    I agree with almost everything he says, But for Me ;“Islamophobia” does not exist:

    A true phobia is physiologically impairing, not just a religious disagreement. Eg. Agoraphobia = Paralyzing panic attacks, Glossophobia = paralyzed with fear/memory loss/ throat muscles close up when speaking in public/front of a crowd/stage fright. Arachnophobia = paralysis/cold sweats merely at the sight of a picture of a spider, Acrophobia = Fear of heights = Muscles physically seize up, involuntary trembling etc, when approaching a high bridge/ledge. Physical symptoms often accompanying social anxiety disorder include excessive blushing, sweating (hyperhidrosis), trembling, palpitations, nausea, and stammering often accompanied with rapid speech. "Impairment in social or occupational activities" is what separates a phobia from a normal concern/ argument/fear.

    People who throw around "phobia" labels without even attempting to back up a true phobia with evidence are to be taken no more seriously than a teenager screaming "are you brain damaged" when losing an argument. It's exactly the same process of projecting a fake medical diagnosis to try and hide the two common logical fallacies of "Hasty Generalization" and "Poisoning the Well" behind to try and discredit the person speaking their concerns. It could be equally dishonestly argued that many people falsely throwing around "Islamophobia" are themselves suffering from "Allodoxaphobia" (an irrational fear of someone else expressing an opposing opinion/disagreeing) surrounding Islam.

    And further, it could equally be argued that certain Islamic theocrats suffer from Chorophobia (Sharia-outlawed fear of dancing), Cyberphobia (Sharia-outlawed fear of Internet cafes), Dishabiliophobia (fear of undressing in front of someone), Geniophobia (fear of seeing chins (in Burka required areas)), Genuphobia (fear of seeing knees), Gymnophobia (fear of nudity), Heresyphobia (fear of challenges to official doctrine), Heterophobia (fear of mixing with the opposite sex (in Sharia sex-segregated areas)), Kolpophobia (fear of seeing female genitalia), Omphalophobia (fear of seeing belly-buttons), Potophobia (fear of alcohol), Peccatophobia (fear of sinning), and Xenophobia (we are better than the Dhimmi). And that would be equally ridiculous to reel off that lot every time Sharia Law debates come up, wouldn't it?

    In order to be taken seriously, the burden of proof for genuine "Islamophobia" lies on actually proving someone holds a clinical irrational fear/anxiety disorder to the point of being impaired of functioning in the presence of Muslims, and not just a normal human rights vs religion disagreement that's often "conveniently" taken out of context for the purpose of feeding the "grievance industry" and milk political capital out of it. For that reason, "Islamophobia" is neither a serious medical nor objectively measurable "phobia", just another repackaged political attack label that's only slightly higher class than "retard" Youtube-level teenage "debate" and heading the same way "anti-Semitism" is – overused to the point where it becomes devalued.

  72. Sakat says:

    Demsi ,Hats up!!! ,this practically shows how idiot he is ,hahaha !!!!

  73. Godwin says:

    /Only reason can help Muslim’s. I don’t see a solution for the person who is blind to reason. / The solution seems to be in sight when they are killing among themselves in many Muslim countries, like Iraq, Aghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Lybia, Tunisa, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon. Western nations and Russia are doing a good job by supplying them with the weapons esp guns and bombs, and making good profits.

    Amin and Nicole, what have you to comment on this.?

  74. Godwin says:

    Watch the Islamisation of Europe by Pat Candell, the British Intellectual : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_z64EF3jpU

  75. R W says:

    Still haven't told me where your mosque was burnt darling or are you lying?

  76. R W says:

    So don't use vulgar language against Muhammed? Freedom of speech is fine but when criticising the Qu'ran, Hadith and Muhammed we will try and kill you like Salman Rushdie? Fascist.

  77. R W says:

    To prove that churches are regulary attacked in the muslim world? That christians are beaten, intimidated or even killed for their faith? That people who leave Islam are killed? This is truth. This is what happens in the world today.

  78. R W says:

    Don't be stupid. Are churches regulary burnt to the ground in the islamic world or not?

  79. Demsci says:

    //"You do not have a clue what Freedom of Speech is all about . . . not a single clue. I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for you whatsoever."//

    More of your strategy and habit of ad hominems and poisoning the well. Your assessment of an opponent messenger is largely irrelevant and bound to be negative, but readers should focus on the messages.

  80. Demsci says:

    //"Do you see non-Jews going about being insulted by what it says in the bible and then engaging in antisemitism?"//
    OK, no, but there was also the element of interpretation, preaching of influence, repetition and practice by so many Muslims of what was written in the Quran-Hadiths-Sira in the explanation of her motivation.

    How does this justify vile abuse? She argued that when the Koran-Hadiths-Sira were freely available with IT's VILE ABUSE of Kafirs, then there was no valid reason to prohibit her own, very similar "vile abuse". She aimed to give Muslims a taste of their own medicin, as she said. She held Muslims accountable for supporting what was being said in Quran-Hadiths-Sira about infidels. and as I said above, it's usage by other Muslims.

    //"Would you support her killing people on similar basis? Breivik? For example?"// It is you here that somehow argues that "vile abuse" is almost as bad and almost equally reprehensible as violence. This is the attitude of a CENSOR. But under freedom of speech much "vile abuse" is lawful, whereas almost no violence is. The border between the two is very sharp.

    //"This is how Muslim Terrorists justify themself!"// Yes, so? Julia used verbal abuse ONLY, they use violence!! BIG difference.

  81. Unknown soul says:

    @Sakat,

    With all respect to your views and concern for our combined cause, I would like to say that  I am sorry but I disagree with your view's. A bully need's psychological treatment best suited for him/her. It was ethic only which allowed Islam to spread 1400 years kill and rape millions. I would like to throw such ethic in my dustbin.

    Anyway site administrator is there to decide the best. If he decide to delete my comment  I will accept it as wrong and will never do again.

    Have a nice day

  82. Akshat says:

    Sorry by mistake I put the comment twice.

  83. amerxp says:

                                               Islam is not tolerant and peaceful.

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total way of living. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military aspirations. The religious element is a mask for all of the other components. Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When inclusive, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands, some of the other components creep in as well.

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any Western country, they will for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority. As they become more populous, they will begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups. They then will petition the government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia Law, in places such as Sparkbrook in Birmingham, Manningham in Bradford and Tower Hamlets, London.

    Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. Their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other affiliated believers or non-believers.

    As they increase the size of their population, Muslims become militant as a means of complaining about their conditions. Any non-Muslim action that offends them results in uprisings and threats. Take for example what happened in Denmark with the Jyllands-Posten newspaper cartoons of Mohammed and of course the persecution of Salman Rushdie in the UK.

    Islam has shown its propensity for violence right from its early days. It reacts with violence, committed in the name of Allah, at the slightest provocation. A cartoon, a book, a chat room comment. Even the death of a terrorist, by security services, before he or she can detonate their bombs prompts a violent response.

    In Pakistan, blasphemy is punishable by death and is frequently carried out, not by the state, but by angry mobs objecting to some slight against Islam, the prophet or Allah. Two Government ministers were murdered for suggesting that the blasphemy law should be repealed. A young Christian girl with learning difficulties was 'framed' by someone in her community who accused her of burning pages of the Qur'an. She was arrested, tried and sentenced to death. Eventually she was released but then hounded out of her village and has had to seek refuge abroad.

    The slaughter by Islamic terrorists continues on a daily basis. In this past week terrorist attacks against Christians in Pakistan claimed 80 lives and scored even more injured. Of course, the awful and tragic events in Nairobi have yet to become completely clear. The body count stands at 70 dead and 200 injured. It will rise.

    In Nigeria, Boko Haram, after having enforced Sharia Law on the northern part of the country is seeking to extend this to the south. Africa is now the main fighting ground outside the middle east for al-Qaeda and its affiliated organisations.

    When a visitor comes to your house it is beholden of them to respect your views and way of life. Islam does not do this. It demands that we introduce halal food into schools, very often without telling non-Muslims that this is what their children are eating. It demands that we accept that women should be free to walk around veiled and then expect us to communicate with them.

    This country is a country of immigrants. In the last 100 years we have seen people arrive here from all corners of the earth: Jews, Africans, Caribeans, Chinese, Indians, Eastern Europeans and many other variants, and nearly 3 million Muslims in less than 20 years. Unfortunately, it is this latter group that has been the focus of so much attention and communal disharmony.

  84. Akshat says:

    @Demci

    One can drive his faith based on his reason but religious conditioning makes faith thus strong for Muslim’s that their faith start driving their reason. For an instance Theory of evolution is the best way to judge a religion as it describe how humans come in existence. It describes how a amoeba or a alive cell developed in different forms of life and finally evolved as Human's. DNA code is the evidence for this theory. 

    Instead of judging the lies of Muhammad based on theory of evolution they start blaming theory itself. They say it’s a false theory. Reason is always based on truth. Faith is not based on anything but your mental conditioning. Unfortunately in Islam mental conditioning is starts at very early age. If you teach a 2.5 yr old kid that a rapist, a killer, a thug is the divine messenger of god and killing non followers is his duty then by the time of 6 year age he will be conditioned completely and it will be almost impossible to erase what is taught to him/her. That is why Muslim chose to make madarsas because they know deceptive religion cannot survive without early age conditioning. If they don’t make madarsas then reason will set the Muslims free.

    I don’t know what sheikh taught to her . But I can see the blindness towards reason in her. If you indicate fruits of Islam she  will say  Osama and Islam have nothing in common. If you tell her how she could be beaten after marriage and dumped based on Islamic evidences then she will not take evidences sighting wrong translation. If you provide evidence of female brain deficiency in Islam then she will say it’s from wrong source.

    We can see clearly her faith is driving the reason. No matter how truthful is the reason, how sharp is the evidence but she will give final verdict based on lieful conditioning.

    It reminds me a story of a Monster who loved her wife a lot and one day her wife died. Demon loved wife thus much that he was not able to believe that she died. He did not dispose her body but continue his daily life as she was alive. He will bath her dead body, change clothes daily, feed food to dead body. and if someone  come in his cave and tell her why doing all this with a dead body, dispose her she is died then he will kill the person because he feels offended.

    That Monster’s faith was thus strong that worst smell of dead body 24 hours, insects and worms lying on dead body were not able to awake him. Muslim's story is no different. They are living in hell carrying the dead body of Islam. All reason and evidences are against their religion but they will not dispose it, in fact they can kill you if you remind them about their delusion.

    Only reason can help Muslim’s. I don’t see a solution for the person who is blind to reason. 

    We can leave her to die with Islam as Lyka (first animal who was sent to moon by Russia) was left on moon as that was not possible to bring her back.

  85. Akshat says:

    @Demci

    One can drive his faith based on his reason but religious conditioning makes faith thus strong for Muslim’s that their faith start driving their reason. For an instance Theory of evolution is the best way to judge a religion as it describe how humans come in existence. It describes how a amoeba or a alive cell developed in different forms of life and finally evolved as Human's. DNA code is the evidence for this theory. 

    Instead of judging the lies of Muhammad based on theory of evolution they start blaming theory itself. They say it’s a false theory. Reason is always based on truth. Faith is not based on anything but your mental conditioning. Unfortunately in Islam mental conditioning is starts at very early age. If you teach a 2.5 yr old kid that a rapist, a killer, a thug is the divine messenger of god and killing non followers is his duty then by the time of 6 year age he will be conditioned completely and it will be almost impossible to erase what is taught to him/her. That is why Muslim chose to make madarsas because they know deceptive religion cannot survive without early age conditioning. If they don’t make madarsas then reason will set the Muslims free.

    I don’t know what sheikh taught to girl Narcole . But I can see the blindness towards reason in her. If you indicate fruits of Islam she will say Osama and Islam have nothing in common. If you tell her how she could be beaten after marriage and dumped based on Islamic evidences then she will not take evidences sighting wrong translation. If you provide evidence of female brain deficiency in Islam then she will say it’s from wrong source.

    We can see clearly her faith is driving the reason. No matter how truthful is the reason, how sharp is the evidence but she will give final verdict based on lieful conditioning.

    It reminds me a story of a Monster who loved her wife a lot and one day her wife died. Demon loved wife thus much that he was not able to believe that she died. He did not dispose her body but continue his daily life as she was alive. He will bath her dead body, change clothes daily, feed food to dead body. and if someone  come in his cave and tell her why doing all this with a dead body, dispose her she is died then he will kill the person because he feels offended.

    That Monster’s faith was thus strong that worst smell of dead body 24 hours, insects and worms lying on dead body were not able to awake him. Muslim's story is no different. They are living in hell carrying the dead body of Islam. All reason and evidences are against their religion but they will not dispose it, in fact they can kill you if you remind them about their delusion.

    Only reason can help Muslim’s. I don’t see a solution for the person who is blind to reason. 

    We can leave her to die with Islam as Lyka (first animal who was sent to moon by Russia) was left on moon as that was not possible to bring her back.

    (I am posting same on main thread also)

  86. Sakat says:

    There is also, no "loud speaker" is prescribed in Qur'an for Azhan ,

  87. Sakat says:

    " Buraq",It is Mohammeds cloned donkey hahaha!!!

  88. Demsci says:

    //"These are NOT discussion about Muslims and "Democratic" people."// For there being here such a discussion I can refer to the article above to which you responded as first poster.

    //"There is no such thing as Muslims Versus Democratic people "// Oh yes, there are Anjem Choudhary, the Taliban, Al Qaida, the Ayatollahs and many more anti-Democratic Muslims. as well as there are many concerned democratic people who oppose them.

    This is denial by the likes of you. Dismissing and denying something opponents say and build as well as discrediting the opponents themselves is what you are good at. I have exposed that repeatedly in the past.

  89. Demsci says:

    //"Nope – I ridicule the lack of humbleness . . .why make such emphatic comments and then attempt to rub them out?"// 

    And how then is he arrogant and are his comments worthless  IN RELATION to your mentioning him changing his convictions? One might argue he is humble to admit to have been wrong on very important issues in the past. Maybe emphatic statements are arrogant, but he then corrected them, didn't he?

  90. Demsci says:

    //"'He he . . . in this instance . . .I am 100% right. Sina DID come out to make a worthless comment."//

    Don't change the meaning of what you actually WROTE;

    //"Sina ONLY comes out to make worthless comments. "//

    Previous You did not say "in this instance" you implicated that he always make worthless comments when he came out. And he comes out many times and you know that.

  91. Demsci says:

    //"You have no trouble with such shameless lying . . ."// Ad hominem, poisoning the well.

    it is downright rude of you to pretend not to at least understand such an important principle as "Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner" in Existence since at least Jesus Christ and enshrined in our very Law.

    Your lack of respect is"breathtaking shameless" because you must understand this principle, you just refuse to acknowledge it's existence and the adherence to it by me, Ali Sina and many others. And when I honestly adhere to that principle, and believe Ali Sina does too, then I did not lie.

  92. Demsci says:

    //"BY your logic . . .anyone here abusing Prophet Muhammad is belittling the average human being . . . "//

    OK, good logical answer, taking me aback, but I still like the comparison between Ali Sina and Mohammed.

    OK, anyone here BELITTLING Prophet Mohammed is also belittling the average human being.
    But anyone abusing Mohammed is not. Same with anyone who is abusing Ali Sina.
    I think there is a difference between abusing and belittling.

    And please, as I asked you before, measure both Mohammed and Ali Sina and what they say with the same standards.

  93. kismet says:

    .لماذا نصب الفاعل في سورة البقرة ٢:١٢٤ وقال: لاينال عهدي الظالمين ؟ الصحيح هو: لاينال عهدي الظالمون…..
    يجب رفع الفاعل …
    There are 25 errors in that video, and I selected only one of them for you ….the easiest one. Explain to me how can that be…… maybe the person who did the video is wrong, and maybe I didn't understand how the Aya should be written.

  94. Demsci says:

    //"This is such an utter lie of EPIC proportions . . . WOW! Your lying here is breath-taking . . ;
    We have EVEN discussed – in the past – hatred of Sina towards Muslims . . ;Yet you OPENLY Lie about this. . 

    Like many more people, among Muslims and infidel you do not grasp or accept the principle of
    "Hating the Sin, loving the Sinner". Still, this very principle was the motivation of judges in Holland to pronounce Geert Wilders as exonerated from the charge of spreading hate toward Muslims. The court ruled that he had campaigned against Islam, which is not protected by democratic law. No religion is.

    Just in the article we are responding about Ali Sina reiterates this very principle, saying;
    //"Any time we criticize Islam, Muslims and their fascist friends come to its defense and say that there are also moderate people among Muslims. We are talking about Islam, which is, a religion and a political ideology. The fact that there are Muslims that don’t observe their religion and therefore are moderate, is red herring and irrelevant to what Islam teaches.'//

    //"How shameless"//
    How Ad Hominem, how poisoning the well.

  95. Demsci says:

    Well first of all, your approval is not needed. For anyones criticism. So I am OK with that.

    So destructive critics are indecent in your opinion? All destructive critics? Or just those destructive critics of Islam? How about those destructive critics of Darwinism, of which you are one?

    And how about calling destructive critics on both sides decent (enough)? Starting over, and you alerting me every time I commit "backstabbing" according to you. That way it becomes clear what you mean by that term. Now you only have accused me of doing something devious, relating to my character(assassination), without giving ANY examples.

    Do you, just like AmintheMystic, also have a strategy of Ad Hominem and poisoning the well?

  96. Demsci says:

    //"You are bigoted against ALL Muslims. Are you not?"// No. I am pro democratic values and societal system and want to expand it, not to all mankind, but indeed to the vast majority. But a few pure Islamic states may remain. This to me means defending Democracy against part of Islam and Muslims and ultimately to help engineer a massive adherence to democratic system among Muslims or former Muslims, or descendants of Muslims.

    I would ALLOW, not necessarily SUPPORT, abuse from and to BOTH SIDES.

  97. Demsci says:

    Well, like you went back a 100 years in time and disparaged the British back then, Sakat went back to the 14th century, disparaging the brutal deeds of the Muslim Khan TAMERLANE, or TIMUR.

    He compared his way of waging war with the way of waging war of NATO in Afghanistan, 2001-2013. He compared the killing the mightier party inflicted upon the population that in part resisted in the case of Muslim Timur in 14th century and Democratic NATO in 21st c.

    He suggested that Timur won by wholesale absolutely ruthless massacres and that NATO surely had the power to vanquish the Afghan population, with little distinction between hostiles and civilians, also wholesale, like Timur.

    Indeed, that NATO even had more power than Timur, and that a modern-day Muslim leader in the role of invader, conqueror, occupier or peacekeeper, when battling against INFIDEL rebels, from INFIDEL population, would be much more like Timur than like NATO.

    And Sakat thus implied that it was the very restraint practiced and shown by NATO that made it fail to "triumph". Where it could have succeeded, had it used the ruthlessness of a Muslim leader against a infidel population.

  98. Demsci says:

    //"It is NOT just PR point of view . . . but logic and decency and being reasonable!"//
    //"Logical, Decent and Reasonable people do not fall to this level!"//

    Well, I don't know about that, maybe most do not. But the point is that ALL MAY and by the same token then "Logical, Decent and Reasonable people"  do NOT cry victim when it befalls them and do not seek to censor the "abusers", at least not on the internet.

    Logical,Decent, Reasonable people respond to bad speech with good speech or perhaps they retaliate, indeed countering the abuse, or ignore or change. or move away to other sites. but they accept!

    Ali Sina thought Julia caused much counter-abuse and many people moving away, so he banned her. (Also, he said, because she was a HE, I admit that, incredible as it sounds, maybe some woman used some man's e-mail, I don't know).

  99. Demsci says:

    correction;
    The last 2 sentences (said by Amin) I should have put on top. Sorry about that.

  100. Demsci says:

    //"When it come to Julia and her abuse . . . YOU approve the abuse. . . 
    No one said here RIGHT was in question . . . . "//

    You have repeatedly told us that her abuse was NOT covered by freedom of speech. If you now openly admit that it was, we are one giant step further. And I will hold you to this admission.

    I not necessarily approved the abuse and did not turn on you anytime, at all, because of you challenging that abuse!!! I only approved and supported Julia's goals and arguments. And I only opposed you on topics related to Islam and Democracy. 

    And yes, I already explained why and in what circumstances and within which borders I do like us to allow abusing people in a moral way. KnowTheEnemy commended me, Jonmc later helped me.  You of course disagreed.
    http://alisina.org/blog/2012/07/30/holland-c-tylo

    Our exchange about freedom of speech is under the first comment, posted by KnowTheEnemy.

    So when I challenge this abuse . . . then you turn on me! 

    – – – 

    Hence TO you abusing people is fine and moral. 

  101. kismet says:

    @ amin…..What I meant: can you refute the evidence of these grammatical errors ?

  102. Demsci says:

    //"Thanks for acknowledging my assessment of Michael Adobelajo's identification. " //
    //"Do not know what you are talking about. . . I have not acknowledged anything."//

    Look: I said that Adebolajo clearly identified with the Ummah against his home-country.'
    You responded by "Yes, he did". And followed that up by putting it to me that "that" was similar to how I identified with Julia.

    this was how it went:
    Me: "The woolworth killer, Michael Adebolajo, stated on video that a British soldier deserved to die because British soldiers killed "our women and children". He clearly identified with Muslims in Afghanistan and clearly not with the country he was born and living in." 

    You: //"Yes – he did. In similar way . . how you identified with Julia for being anti-Islamic"//

    What was I supposed to conclude from that?

  103. kismet says:

    I am not going to tolerate your "PROOF?" any further……because even if I tell you the sun rises from the east, you will tell me "Proof?" !! Also, there are things that a person with a bit of sense can notice without a proof. I will tell you that 90% ( small figure just for the benifit of doubt) of the big leader and filthy rich business people and politicians and people with power pretend that they have faith…..why? because their business cannot thrive without the public, and the public have faith. Maybe you will ask me why do I say they are not genuine with their faith? my answer: they are successful, and they majority of successful people have brains, and the people who are sharp, their brains automatically reject the BS of religion. Got that?

  104. Demsci says:

    //"Really? So when I first commented and blew open his BS . . . in many comments . . .then you could not answer . . . Now "possibly"? "//

    Already at first I could and did answer a lot, of course the number and quality of answers were almost always below your "expectations/ demands". But I now know that that is the case with almost everyone and everything whom you answer and about almost all the answers you get and then still there is always your complaint of not-answering.

    But it is mostly a part of your strategy of Ad Hominem and Poisoning the Well. Readers should be suspicious about your conclusions and allegations and judgements.

    But …. also… I learned so much from you and through you(with your opposition and mirroring me).

  105. Demsci says:

    Amin, on the issue of arguing in a logical way I indeed am not sure. And maybe not good. You may well be better in this and have more people here and elsewhere agree with you than with me.

    That still does not detract from my admiration and love for the rest of science. But it is gargantuan, so big. I understand but a fraction of it.

  106. Demsci says:

    //"its just ur opinion, right'// Well, it means that what you said with that waterdrinking, that was ambiguous. A bit like the "saying" of an Oracle.

    Croesus of Lydia asked in # 540 BC to an Oracle whether or not he should go to war against Cyrus of Persia. The Oracle answered ambiguous: "When you do go to war a big king will be overthrown". Croesus interpreted it as "Cyrus will be overthrown" and went to war against him. There was a big battle and it was Croesus who was overthrown!

  107. kismet says:

    do you have any comments about they video?

  108. Demsci says:

    //"You do not stand for Democracy or Science. . . "//

    //"You are that unfamiliar with science it is laughable."//
    //"Recent comments of Sina have been butchery of Modern Science"//

    Why does the conclusion above necessarily follow from the 2 (questionable) observations below?

    What does Ali Sina's knowledge and attitude towards Science have to do with mine?

    //"2. Is open lying – justifying bigotry and hate . . . democratic values? No. . . . yet you do those things. So you are NOT someone who is upholder of those values."//

    Will you stop changing the topic pointing to me all the time; it is attacking the arguER instead of the arguMENT. And poisoning the well.

  109. Demsci says:

    //"Proof? You did it to me . . . "// Is this perhaps YOU in victim-play, Amin? Earlier you said I was playing the victim. because of lack of answers…..

  110. Demsci says:

    //'Most readers here will support you for being anti-Islam"// I suppose so, and I am sorry for you. My wish is that sooner or later Muslims will adapt to Democratic society and even in majority wholeheartedly side with it. Then the whole Islam-Democracy-debate will blow over, I hope. You?

  111. Demsci says:

    //"See how BOGUS your BS is . . . when asked for evidence . . . you have none . ."//
    When presented with evidence you acknowledge none.

    I know that I exaggerate here, but by the same token so do you.

  112. Demsci says:

    //"It was wrong of West to go to war with Iraq and it has led to a mess. . . . most [if not many] people in UK were against it . . . so are they all undemocratic on that basis? 
    Whole basis of DEMOCRACY is that you have the right to disagree . . . "//

    OK, good point I suppose. But even if it was wrong in the opinion of so many people in the West to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, does that mean that those same people for that reason then become neutral? In the conflict? And when pressed, in choosing what kind of society they  want to live, democratic-secular or theocratic-shariah? Your words at least give the impression that you are at best neutral and at worst in favor of the totalitarians. Both positions will put you below Ali Sina and me as upholder of Democratic Values. Because we then clearly trump you in wishing to increase the number of people under Democracy and wishing to diminish the people under Theocratic Shariah law.

  113. Demsci says:

    //"I asked you to bring evidence . . . You have not. 
    Either go back and do that . . .else you are once more LYING!"//

    No, your conclusion of lying because of absence of evidence is illogical.
    If I present no evidence, that cannot automatically mean that what I say is untrue.

    Hah, is this the basis of many of the lies you have detected committed by Ali Sina and me and Chuck and Know The Enemy? I think it is your basis for a big chunk of those lie-claims of you. They stand on the weak basis of "Argument from Ignorance".

    Wikipedia:
    Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[1] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.

  114. narcole1919721 says:

    actually people in ancient time who were too zhalim got cursed for their own deeds. One of prophet mohammads du3a was so that god didnt change evils humans to other forms anymore. And god granted it. So in humans eyes, evil humans still look like humans. But to holy persons they still could notice. For example seeing a human with snake or dogs head for not praying etc. 

  115. Demsci says:

    //"Resorting back to nonsense!"//
    Resorting back to dismissals.

  116. narcole1919721 says:

    Donkey? Buraq is an animal with beautiful humans face, with wings like pegasus.

  117. Demsci says:

    "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts. "
    Freedom of Speech is about saying what you like . . .NOT approving what someone says . . . but the right of someone to say it. 
    For example: 
    Under Freedom of Speech . . . .one can say . . .that "Hitler is a good person and he was right to do what he did" 
    Yet – others do not have to APPROVE this . . . and they in return have the right to challenge such BS."//

    I know, this is what I presented myself.

    But about what the Muslims in favor of Theocracy are saying. That was in the context:
    What Richard Dawkins probably would be appalled by and opposed to most; Either by Ali Sina or by Muslims. And I say Dawkins would be more appalled by and opposed to the Theocratic Muslims than he would be appalled by and opposed to Ali Sina.

    I did not say that I was against freedom of speech of theocratic Muslims in so far as they propagate a theocratic state.

  118. Demsci says:

    //"Time and time again . . .you simply go back to your views that have already been completely exposed as being incorrect and bogus."// No, but anyway, in between I might have said and can be saying something true and valuable for readers. So this once again is Ad Hominem and Poisoning the Well-strategy of you.

  119. Demsci says:

    OK, many good arguments, thank you. You got me confused with your statements that democracy and secularism are 2 different things. I like you or Chuck or anyone to explain that concept.
    Theocracy is NOT a subset of Democracy in my opinion.

    I think, unlike Jehovah's witnesses, YOU CANNOT AVOID violence in self-defence.

    //"And those Muslims are not even close to being the majority. It is like pointing to BNP and saying this British democracy. . . ."// Look, this is a complicated matter. And being in favor of the deathpenalty for apostasy from Islam is clearly UN- and ANTI-Democratic, the opposite of the freedom of the individual-as-far-as-reasonable in Democracy. And in polls/ surveys surveyed majorities of Muslims in countries were in favor of that deathpenalty. No official Islamic Organisation, accept that of Zuhdi Jasser, has signed the freedom pledge, of the former Muslims, which is to the effect to be against this deathpenalty.

    And the issue of deathpenalty for apostasy or complete freedom of religion for everyone is very central in the Democratic system.

  120. narcole1919721 says:

    Ohhh…ur saving my time by writing this too.

  121. narcole1919721 says:

    Hehehe…thanks for representing my thoughts. You spared time to write them. Im too lazy to write long cos i think they dont have ability to digest long words.

  122. narcole1919721 says:

    Examples? ohhh many…on your pro. Lets reread again 🙂 not insult me? but insult prophet and god? ohhh why dont you go meet them and talk directly, there are ways for that. you call indecent, critical? there constructive and destructive critics. And destructive critics are definitely indecent.

  123. Demsci says:

    //"When Demsci cannot answer . . .he does that.  Plays the victim as good as anyone!"//

    Oh, you are talking to the readers again. Oh, and you respond to my allegation that you are committing ad hominem and poisoning the well-fallacies with the allegation that I play the victim! But that too is Ad Hominem-fallacy and Poisoning the Well!!! Well, Well, Well.

  124. Demsci says:

    //"More pathetic nonsense . . . this is about your comments . . . '// Oh, I know; you say you talk about the arguMENTS, not about the arguERS. But the border between your comments on arguMENTS and on the arguERS is very blurry. And at times you do not even pretend; you have called ME dishonest, said I have a dishonest nature.

    About not answering what was asked. No body answers EVERYTHING that is asked, and you also do not answer a lot of challenges. And no body can answer everything. And merely responding with dismissals, which you do, with your constant "nonsense", "bullshit', "worthless" reactions to many here, is not properly answering. In this twitter-age, with such short attention-spans of readers, proper long answers are not even stimulated, not even much read.

  125. narcole1919721 says:

    Which followers? if i love cooking good food, how could i serve bad food?

  126. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721
    Just as I suspected. The trolling is well and truly on.

  127. cchuckc says:

    @narcole,
    //My point is, can you understand grammar? //
    And my point is that if you think the translation is wrong can you furnish the correct translations? Both the links are in English where is the role Arabic grammar here? Or, did you even read what you have pointed here?

  128. narcole1919721 says:

    "Might"? its just ur opinion, right 🙂

  129. narcole1919721 says:

    My point is, can you understand grammar?

  130. Demsci says:

    Julia used words, killing you is violence!!! Of course I have qualms about that, I want as many people as possible to live to a 100, you included.

    No, I do not support Sina when he says that there are no innocent Muslim deaths. What of it?

    //"So on that basis . . . it obvious . . .YOU ARE NOT GOING to be the least bit truthful about me. . . "// What an illogical conclusion, based on nothing. I too justify, although not support 100 % abuse from you, and I never protested against it from anyone here. This freedom of speech-attitude, so allowance of abuse, and being truthful have nothing to do with each other.

    And if your conclusion about my truthfulness came about so illogical, so all your "dishonesty-and-lie-accusations" should be very  suspect to readers.

  131. narcole1919721 says:

    Tsk tsk…humans were created giants before, and 10 times life span. we are now only miniatures. The last humans will be like avian size of ancient time. The age of earth is like  ashar time going to maghrib. Maghrib is the end. so doomsday is very near….how near? whats the earth age now? Are 10 or100 years long in compare to earths age?

  132. Demsci says:

    //"Dishonest"//

    Ad Hominem. Poisoning the Well.
    Ad Hominem. Poisoning the Well.
    Ad Hominem. Poisoning the Well.
    Ad Hominem. Poisoning the Well.
    Ad Hominem. Poisoning the Well.

  133. narcole1919721 says:

    Okay..for humanity. yalla….oh dont forget to massage mr amin too, mr lucky.

  134. Demsci says:

    //"Why do you bother to answer? Move on . . . I am not going to change my writing for your pleasure . . no one asked you to reply."// True, but I only talked about your writing because of your own arrogant responses (not answers) to many of the posters here, in which you chastized them for mistakes like answering without thinking or without offering evidence, or arguing illogically, when you are "guilty" of the same mistakes. You reap what you sow. A lesson you long since should have learned.

  135. narcole1919721 says:

    Another good point ♥

  136. Demsci says:

    //"So – you are utterly lying when you say you are with science . . . you are not. You are simply against Muslims and Islam. . . "//

    When I am deficient in Science you cannot conclude just like that that I am not in favor of it. This is illogical from YOU.

    I am like my country; we are perfectly prepared to embrace and include Muslims, but we must be intolerant to those who support an intolerant supremacist and expansionist ideology. And one kind of interpretation of Islam might be that. And a part of Muslims may well side with enemies from totalitarian shariah-organisations.

  137. narcole1919721 says:

    Okay, name the real 'dear sir' guy who wrote letter here, and all id card data.

  138. Demsci says:

    //"In the past you have justified vile insults against me . . .hence you have clear personal hatred of me .''//

    That conclusion coming after "hence", I think about that.

    But even if I did hate you, it still would constitute Ad Hominem-fallacy if you used that to discredit my messages and to "poison the well". And I suspect that that is your real goal.

    And anyway do you expect people here on this website to love you after what you said about the founder of the site???!!! And besides no one defended you here, many justified and justify vile insults to you, don't you think?

    But by the same token, you are allowed spewing vile insults to them. Doesn't matter if you use them or not, under freedom of speech you MAY USE them.

    And those vile insults were NOT to you as a person, only to you as defender of Islam. Julia would say that you, in your turn, justified vile insults also, written in the Quran, against infidels. Would that cause you to have a clear hatred against infidels?

    She wanted to match the insults she perceived in Islam against infidels, based on them being unbelievers, in her WORDS(, not deeds), spoken against Muslims, the defenders of the insulting Islamic holy texts.

  139. Demsci says:

    //"Ha! In other words . . you are here against Muslims"//

    Other words for that what I said? I said A. That I was here to defend key Democratic values. Did you conclude that that is equivalent as being against Muslims. I never said that, Ali Sina did say that, but as a Pipesian I did not. And is it the case that you in kind of an obverse way agree with Ali Sina? So do you think that being pro-Democratic automatically means being anti-Islamic? And so also to be pro-Islamic means to be anti-Democratic? If you opine that Democracy and Islam are perfectly compatible than why would you conclude that "other words" for "defending key Democratic Values" are "being against Muslims?"

    I said B. I am not here to argue a kind of superiority of Darwinism over Religion. Did you conclude from that that I was here against Muslims? Obviously when I don't want to contradict the Christians on the beliefs they share with the Muslims, I am also not here to contradict the Muslims on those beliefs.

  140. Demsci says:

    Here come the dismissals:
    //"BS. . . quit playing the daddy and stop the nonsense. Quit this nonsense"// These are dismissals, nowhere near rebuttals.

    Here come the Ad Hominems:
    "//'I have exposed so many rampant lies from you . ..it is sickening. "//
    Doesn't matter, in between those lies and next time I may well have spoken and might still speak something truthful and profound, for the reader to think about.

  141. aminthemystic says:

    "is that the readers will reject this conclusion BECAUSE I AM GOOD AT MUD-SLINGING (according to YOU, without examples). But hey, you DID say all those things discussed about the NATO-Taliban-conflict, and at times I did not answer, let alone twist somehow those thoughts of you on that conflict. So it is not logical that readers will dismiss the thought of you favoring Shariah over Democracy just because of my comments. "

    Evidence? Evidence?

    Or hence you are lying . . .

    – – –

    Most readers here will support you for being anti-Islam . . . you can lie to the nth degree . . . no one here cares . . . as long as it is against Islam.

    – – –

    I can show you Sina's mistakes . . . it will not make one iota of difference?

    Why – because he is lying against Islam.

  142. cchuckc says:

    @aminthemystic
    //Oh well . . .I am used to it . . . when you cannot answer something //
    We know you are a fool. You don't have to try so hard to prove it.
    Coming to this one. Lets see the sentences one by one:
    "My experience with you is that you are blind when it comes to errors in Quran. I showed you how the concept of Judgement Day is contrary to what a consistently benevolent God ought to ordain."

    Such "objections" are highly subjective and require a sophisticated level of knowledge in Logic/Reasoning to go anywhere.
    From the above it is not apparent that you are asking me anything. You just made a statement and nothing else. And then threw up a bait for me : //Give how prone you are to little lies .//
    I didn't even bother to point out your wrong English (yet again). I didn't even understand why you are trying to utter such rubbish here since I am just reminding her off the conversation we two had, something of which you are unlikely to have much knowledge and your comment doesn't take that old conversation forward. You were, lets say, out of market. So what did you want to proof?
    Ok. So what do you do, when you are caught with your pants down? You say: //when you cannot answer something// Where is the question in that quoted text of which you are seeking answer?

    //Yes. However . . . as you made the claim . . .proof? //
    Google it or read it on wiki. Anyway, I have little outdated, reference: Dr Bernard Comrie in his article in Encarta Encyclopedia (1998) estimated that there were then 186 million native Arabic speakers. In addition he identified 21 million secondary speakers of Arabic. The total adds upto around 210 million. The world population was then hovering above the 6 billion mark. That comes to around 3.5%.
    Its about 15 years old but I don't think there is any earth shattering increase in the proportion. Now what is your counter claim? And how does this destroy my original assertion that I made while responding to @Narcole: "and the concept doesn't change from language to language".
    I see no relation between the two.

  143. aminthemystic says:

    Saying that West lost to beat Afghanistan . . . is a FACT. It has not beaten Afghanistan. And it is now "negotiating" with them . . . why?

    – – –

    It was wrong of West to go to war with Iraq and it has led to a mess. . . . most [if not many] people in UK were against it . . . so are they all undemocratic on that basis?

    Whole basis of DEMOCRACY is that you have the right to disagree . . .

    = = =

    "Since clearly the Taliban IS anti-Democratic. And you, as known Muslim, disparaging the democratic side more than you do the totalitarian side, THAT could lead to readers thinking that you actually ARE on the side of the Totalitarians. "

    Evidence? Evidence?

    See how BOGUS your BS is . . . when asked for evidence . . . you have none . . .

  144. aminthemystic says:

    I asked you to bring evidence . . . You have not.

    Either go back and do that . . .else you are once more LYING!

  145. aminthemystic says:

    You do not have a clue what Freedom of Speech is all about . . . not a single clue.

    — – —

    I have exposed your "Science" claims . . .

    and now your democracy goes the same way.

    I suggest to you . . .go an read a few good books! To find out more.

    I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for you whatsoever.

  146. aminthemystic says:

    "It was democratic but I acknowledge that from a PR-standpoint it probably was counterproductive and it was not against Freedom of Speech that Ali Sina warned her, then banned her from HIS website. "

    It is NOT just PR point of view . . . but logic and decency and being reasonable!

    Logical, Decent and Reasonable people do not fall to this level!

    And they challenge such BS.

    – – –

    Or are you saying if I exercise my FREEDOM OF SPEECH to counter abuse against myself . . .then I am wrong! And also I am undermining the whole freedom of speech itself!

  147. aminthemystic says:

    "It is you who undermine this value when you constant decry Julia's style as somehow being undemocratic. "

    THAT STYLE is . . .wrong and incorrect.

    It is simply illogical . . . .

    No sane or reasonable person engages in such style.

    – – –

    See is 100% clear that you do not know WHAT freedom of speech is . . . one has the right to be crazy . . .

    BUT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE SUCH NONSENSE. . . .

    this is WHY you are hate monger . . .

    When it come to Julia and her abuse . . . YOU approve the abuse. . .

    No one said here RIGHT was in question . . . .

    So when I challenge this abuse . . . then you turn on me!

    – – –

    Hence TO you abusing people is fine and moral.

    Ha!

  148. aminthemystic says:

    "Thanks for acknowledging my assessment of Michael Adobelajo's identification. "

    Do not know what you are talking about. . . I have not acknowledged anything.

    – –

    "And the comparison with me would indeed be that I identified bith Julia, but because she was clearly pro-democratic"

    Nope. Just because she did not say anything undemocratic does not make her democratic. And also she was a he.

    So "abuse" to you is democracy . . . to me it is not.

    – –

    " Julia just took freedom of speech to it's limit."

    Which does not make the vile abuse right . . .does it? Having to the freedom to say vile thing does not mean such vulgarity is approved.

    Neither it is ANY justification for you 100% backing of such person.

    – –

    " She also always pointed out that SHE felt that she as infidel was insulted by what the Quran and Hadiths-Sira said and decreed about infidels."

    More rampant stupidity from you . . . do you see non-Jews going about being insulted by what it says in the bible and then engaging in antisemitism?

    How does this justify vile abuse?

    Would you support her killing people on similar basis?

    Breivik? For example?

    This is how Muslim Terrorists justify themself!

    – – –

    "And you seem to think that only talking and writing in some kind of correct way and ONLY that way is some kind of Democratic, value, while it distinctly is NOT. It may be a BRITISH value but that's not a key Democratic value at all, in my opinion. Freedom of speech, especially offensive speech, THAT is A, maybe THE key Democratic value. "

    Once more . . . once again – you simply bypass what is put to you . . . if you do not have such basic understanding of WHAT freedom of speeci and what it isn't .. .

    Then you are clearly lying .. . you have not clue WHAT or WHAT ISN'T freedom of speech . .

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

    So why don't you look it up . . .

    Julia had right to say her abuse . . . but YOU approved it!

    Key difference. . . you did not simply approve her right of speech . . .but APPROVED the vile abuse. . .

    these are 2 distinct things.

    – – –

    You are clearly lying when you say that you uphold Democratic values. . .

    I suggest go and read up . . . what your values are MEANT to be . . .

    – – –

    You only motivation to be here. . . is hatred of Islam and of Muslims.

  149. Demsci says:

    //"Virtually ALL in the EDL are racist . . . and they are called out as much. It was composed from BNP . . . and BNP Is racist."// Unsubstantiated radical claim, that virtually all in EDL are racist and that EDL was composed from BNP, here you have a burden of proof.

    But more importantly; you did not rebut my argument that:
    Even if there were racists in the EDL, that in no way disproves that Islam is, or at least some interpretations of important parts of Islam are, incompatible and in contradiction with key democratic values."

  150. Demsci says:

    //"" "Criticism of a religion is not racism."//

    I left out this part because the rest of that paragraph spoke for itself and did not need this sentence. Anyway, it confirms more than it contradicts what I said.

    Here you are reduced to a rather farfetched very weak argument for your allegation of me being dishonest.

    And me not repeating that prior sentence can hardly be construed as if my message was faulty because of this. So the conclusion is inescapable that here again you commit an AD Hominem-fallacy. AND the poisoning the well-fallacy. And those fallacies are signs of dishonesty, I think.

    As for "he he he, Sheer Nonsense" This is sheer dismissal, only a response, NOT a proper answer. And what is the laughing going to do to help you?

  151. aminthemystic says:

    "Any way, excuses and praises made in favor of Islam can be very extreme too. And it wouldn't fair if the one extreme was forbidden and heavily discouraged and the other one allowed to flourish. Not under freedom of speech. "

    Resorting back to nonsense!

  152. aminthemystic says:

    Time and time again . . .you simply go back to your views that have already been completely exposed as being incorrect and bogus.

    "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts. "

    Freedom of Speech is about saying what you like . . .NOT approving what someone says . . . but the right of someone to say it.

    For example:

    Under Freedom of Speech . . . .one can say . . .that "Hitler is a good person and he was right to do what he did"

    Yet – others do not have to APPROVE this . . . and they in return have the right to challenge such BS.

    – –

    If you do NOT even know what Freedom of Speech is and isn't . . .then you are being completely dishonest that you are for "democratic values"

    No you are not.

    How can you get something so fundamental wrong?

  153. Demsci says:

    //"Don't you see that this might give interested, reading outsiders, and Muslims of course, the idea that you support a totalitarian group against the democratic system? " //
    //"Nope . . . because you are good at such mud slinging . . . and I am good at exposing such cute little dishonesty."//

    I refer to 'THIS' in my question. It referred to you repeatedly saying something like" the might of NATO was defeated by impoverished Afghanistan, or Afghans". U use it as some sort of argument about Western fallibility. Why, when your sympathies are really for the democratic systems and countries? Since clearly the Taliban IS anti-Democratic. And you, as known Muslim, disparaging the democratic side more than you do the totalitarian side, THAT could lead to readers thinking that you actually ARE on the side of the Totalitarians.

    Well and the reason you give here why you DON'T think readers of your thoughts about NATO-Taliban-conflict will conclude that you are in favor of some totalitarian Shariah-state like the Taliban wants,

    is that the readers will reject this conclusion BECAUSE I AM GOOD AT MUD-SLINGING (according to YOU, without examples). But hey, you DID say all those things discussed about the NATO-Taliban-conflict, and at times I did not answer, let alone twist somehow those thoughts of you on that conflict. So it is not logical that readers will dismiss the thought of you favoring Shariah over Democracy just because of my comments.

    And when you now would confess to being neutral in that NATO-Taliban-conflict, that IMO, would make you less of a supporter of Democratic Values (expanding into Islamic territory) than I and Ali Sina are, since you then  do clearly not desire to see the democratic values trump their opposite Shariah Values as we do.

  154. aminthemystic says:

    "I like to respond to so much of what you say, Aminthemystic, and some of my responses would be positive.
    Like you acknowledging and Appreciating Richard Dawkins for what he is. But I can only answer so much. "

    He is a good scientist – well educated – and he writes well on science. However when it comes to religion . . . he is messed up. Even his fellow atheists have often been against him for that.

    He is right to avoid debating likes of Harun Yahya but William Craig Laing.

    Me denying or "appreciating" has nothing to do with it. Unlike you I am NOT inherently dishonest.

    – – –

    "In the big scheme of things I think Richard Dawkins would decry the attitude, behavior and threat of many Muslims much more than he would that of Ali Sina"

    Your opinion . . . on the same basis . . . he would praise many Muslims than Sina . . . hence the point is on no consequent. Sina is known as bigot . . . people like Dawkins would not come near him.

    – – –

    "a decrying by Dawkins of Sina that I never heard of and you never presented. "

    It is of the type . . .NOT about the individual person. . . .has Dawkins heard of Sina? I mean if Dawkins [who calls himself liberal] read views of Sina's he would go screaming.

    I mean would Dawkins want to be identified with someone whom Berivik cited as influence?

    – – –

    "Dawkins for instance must know that Ali Sina never incites"

    Yes he does. . . nuking all Muslims and what not.

    – – –

    "unless in ultimate self-defense"

    You cannot incite violence in self-defense.

    – –

    "that he instead relies on debate and verbal exposure and that Ali Sina supports no other societal system THAN the democratic one. "

    This is up to debate . . I asked you to read SIna's views of democracy first then answer . . .such things.

    You haven't. Quit nonsense.

    – – –

    "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems"

    Theocracy is a version and subset of democracy. Democracy and Secularism are 2 different things.

    – – –

    "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts. "

    And those Muslims are not even close to being the majority. It is like pointing to BNP and saying this British democracy. . . .

  155. Demsci says:

    //"Yes – he did. In similar way . . how you identified with Julia for being anti-Islamic – DESPITE the abuse – rather than me . . . I am not interested in abuse. And claim to be far better a Westerner than such hate pedlar as Sina or Julia."'// Thanks for acknowledging my assessment of Michael Adobelajo's identification. And the comparison with me would indeed be that I identified bith Julia, but because she was clearly pro-democratic (and she never said any anti-democratic word or gave any justification for undemocratic, violent methods). Julia just took freedom of speech to it's limit. She also always pointed out that SHE felt that she as infidel was insulted by what the Quran and Hadiths-Sira said and decreed about infidels.

    And you seem to think that only talking and writing in some kind of correct way and ONLY that way is some kind of Democratic, value, while it distinctly is NOT. It may be a BRITISH value but that's not a key Democratic value at all, in my opinion. Freedom of speech, especially offensive speech, THAT is A, maybe THE key Democratic value.

    It is you who undermine this value when you constant decry Julia's style as somehow being undemocratic.

    It was democratic but I acknowledge that from a PR-standpoint it probably was counterproductive and it was not against Freedom of Speech that Ali Sina warned her, then banned her from HIS website.

  156. aminthemystic says:

    When Demsci cannot answer . . .he does that.

    Plays the victim as good as anyone!

  157. aminthemystic says:

    "Here you employ clear "character-assassination" without any proof or examples by saying I have a dishonest nature and that that is THE, not A, reason why I, a mere MESSENGER, am on this site. it seems part of an ad hominem-strategy, employed by you. "

    Wow! I have shown countless examples of your lies . . .I have been doing that all the way through. . . .

    Here is EVEN more staggering example of you lying . . .simply breath-taking.

    We have spoken in the past . . . YOU do know that . . . yet . . .

    – –

    "But the debate here is not about honest or dishonest, intelligent or stupid, logical or illogical posters, and so not about you and me, but it is about their and our messages. "

    More pathetic nonsense . . . this is about your comments . . .

    – –

    I see you have chosen not to answer what was asked . . . rather focus on your own self . .. by trying to highlight how victimised you are . . .

    And lie even at that!

  158. aminthemystic says:

    You are nothing more than a hate monger . . . nothing more.

    – –

    You do NOT stand for Democracy or for Science.

    And I suspect – I am far better a student and upholder of these values than you.

    Evidence?

    Past exchanges. . . .

    – –

    It is completely unacceptable and stupid one one hand to say you stand for science and on the other hand . . . than go against "logic".

    Example?

    I was 100% person right to chide someone over saying "that just do a Google search" is illogical. And it is illogical . . .

    Do not take my word for it . . . ask other people – outside of this forum . . . .and they will agree. . .

    Yet you attempted to support the nonsense . . . .

    – –

    So how come you are a man of science and science values . . .then go against these values?

    Then there was "burden of proof" issue . . .I can show you your comments that attempt to justify that proof is not needed.

    And that is COMPLETELY Illogical.

    – – –

    So – you are utterly lying when you say you are with science . . . you are not.

    You are simply against Muslims and Islam. . .

    and nothing will stand in your way . . . with that hatred. Nothing.

  159. Demsci says:

    //"So it is not just what you say . . .but how you say it"// No, Freedom of speech does not limit speech in such a way. Up to certain border, any way a person says something is valid. And the disapproval of Muslims or any number of other humans, however seemingly wise, popular, powerful, does not really matter.

    Any way, excuses and praises made in favor of Islam can be very extreme too. And it wouldn't fair if the one extreme was forbidden and heavily discouraged and the other one allowed to flourish. Not under freedom of speech.

  160. aminthemystic says:

    "Anyway I am ONLY here to defend key Democratic values (not Western per se) here. As I am NOT here to discuss some kind of superior position of Darwinism versus religion, because that would put me on a collision course with valuable Christian Democratic allies. "

    Ha! In other words . . you are here against Muslims . . . then in that other post . . . you were looking for evidence for your rampant bigotry. . .

    Here it is!

    – –

    "And so for me it would be just great to finally come to discuss on my turf, which is Democratic values"

    And what are these er . . . values?

    – –

    "I am very much inclined to take you on, but let me just say we two should limit the number and length of our posts and leave enough room for others to make their points with as much or more bandwith as we two take. We risk boring people or people skipping our comments if we take up too much bandwith. "

    BS. . . quit playing the daddy and stop the nonsense.

    I have exposed so many rampant lies from you . ..it is sickening.

    In the past you have justified vile insults against me . . .hence you have clear personal hatred of me . . . on that basis. . . it is NOT possible for you to enter a discussion with me. . .

    Is it?

    – –

    I want you to to 1st of all . . .go to that post where your praising of Sina is . . . and JUSTIFY the objections i have raised.

    Quit this nonsense. . . and quit lying.

    And we can come back to this and have a civil conversation.

    – – –

    You are completely DISHONEST . . . we have in the past discussed this to some extent. . . and no mention of that . . . this I find to be completely DISHONEST on your part.

  161. Demsci says:

    I like to respond to so much of what you say, Aminthemystic, and some of my responses would be positive.
    Like you acknowledging and Appreciating Richard Dawkins for what he is. But I can only answer so much.

    In the big scheme of things I think Richard Dawkins would decry the attitude, behavior and threat of many Muslims much more than he would that of Ali Sina, a decrying by Dawkins of Sina that I never heard of and you never presented.

    Dawkins for instance must know that Ali Sina never incites to violence unless in ultimate self-defense and that he instead relies on debate and verbal exposure and that Ali Sina supports no other societal system THAN the democratic one.

    But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts.

  162. aminthemystic says:

    "You should n't be so arrogant criticizing and demeaning other posters, when you yourself present exactly the same sort alleged mistakes as you tell them they make, like saying illogical things or making claims without evidence. "

    Oh but I do not . . . . and YOU have not proved a single one . . .

    exposingsina.wordpress.com

    Look at your dishonesty and sheer lying. . . .

    uh . . . why am I not a bit surprised?

    Why?

    Because you JUSTIFIED and SUPPORTED 100% abuse against me . . .vile abuse from 2 people [mostly Julia].

    So on that basis . . . it obvious . . .YOU ARE NOT GOING to be the least bit truthful about me. . .

    after all . . .if you can justify such abuse against me . . . what is there to heap such lies?

    – –

    I mean – on the above basis – do you have qualms about killing me? Do you support Sina when he says there are no innocent Muslim deaths?

  163. aminthemystic says:

    Dishonest

    Dishonest
    http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/

    Your lying is totally absurd . . .you are, it seems, completely obsessed in trying to answer me . . but end up FLAT – and repeatedly so.

    Lie after lie . . .

    That address is how I deal with Sina's "mistakes" . . . and you already know that . ..

    Yet your dishonesty . . . is that what your values are?

    Shameless lies?

    – – –

    "And it is possibly also a significant part of the way you reviewed Ali Sina's book and articles too. "

    Really? So when I first commented and blew open his BS . . . in many comments . . .then you could not answer . . .

    Now "possibly"?

    See – how dishonest you are . . . .

  164. aminthemystic says:

    Dishonest

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  165. aminthemystic says:

    "Again, you write in such impulsive haste. What YOU write cannot be possibly construed as "other words" for what I wrote. "

    I have always written like this . . . and NOW you find problem with it?

    Why do you bother to answer? Move on . . . I am not going to change my writing for your pleasure . . no one asked you to reply.

    – –

    "Your conclusion of me being all set and my mind being made up is coming out of the blue and totally unjustified by what I wrote. "

    Isn't it? Why do you think that is?

    I'll tell you . . .because of your many deceptions . . . I am not sure if you are up to honesty . . . not one evidence you are not.

    – –

    "And you do not substantiate how liberals and Conservative decry Sina's so-called bigotry"

    Huh? Failure of his book . . . aligning with far-right . . . then getting dropped by the likes of Pipes. His utter trash about Obama. . .

    Who the Left is going to support Sina? As for right . . . it is only the far right – likes of Spencer that have shown some support. . . otherwise . . .

    – –

    "But you do NOT KNOW these things, you just speculate, it is just your feeling, your opinion. So many empty claims. "

    No claims about Sina are empty.

    – –

    "If this is how you review chapters of books or articles at a university you will flunk in that study! For drawing preposterous unsupported unjustified conclusions, or spouting prejudiced judgements yourself. "

    Gotcha!

    See how DISHONEST you are ?

    Dishonest

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  166. Demsci says:

    //"He is well aware of my views . . . it is simply his dishonest nature. That is WHY he is here on this site . . . "//

    Well, we posters really do not speak only to each others, but to readers as well, and here you show clearly.

    Here you employ clear "character-assassination" without any proof or examples by saying I have a dishonest nature and that that is THE, not A, reason why I, a mere MESSENGER, am on this site. it seems part of an ad hominem-strategy, employed by you.

    But the debate here is not about honest or dishonest, intelligent or stupid, logical or illogical posters, and so not about you and me, but it is about their and our messages.

  167. Demsci says:

    //"In other words . . . you are all set and your mind is made up . . . HENCE why you are part of such a site. This is why NOT only Liberals . . .but Conservatives like Pipes would decry Sina and his rampant bigotry."//

    Again, you write in such impulsive haste. What YOU write cannot be possibly construed as "other words" for what I wrote.

    Your conclusion of me being all set and my mind being made up is coming out of the blue and totally unjustified by what I wrote.

    Then you make those inaccurate partly untrue sentences THE (not even A) reason for me being on this site unjustified by what I wrote here.

    And you do not substantiate how liberals and Conservative decry Sina's so-called bigotry and you say that the reason they do that is that they do it because their mind is made up (unless you mean they do it because MY mind is made up)  and presumably closed. Here in this post this is coming out of the blue and not supported by any evidence, yet stated as some unassailable truth.

    But you do NOT KNOW these things, you just speculate, it is just your feeling, your opinion. So many empty claims.

    If this is how you review chapters of books or articles at a university you will flunk in that study! For drawing preposterous unsupported unjustified conclusions, or spouting prejudiced judgements yourself.

    And it is possibly also a significant part of  the way you reviewed Ali Sina's book and articles too.

    You should n't be so arrogant criticizing and demeaning other posters, when you yourself present exactly the same sort alleged mistakes as you tell them they make, like saying illogical things or making claims without evidence.

  168. aminthemystic says:

    "Well it didn't stop your Ad hominem attacks on Ali Sina"

    Such as? I have not "personally" abused Sina. For his part – he has had 2 slip ups.

    – – –

    Your language is vulgar . . . if you are asked a question . . you cannot answer.

  169. aminthemystic says:

    Right – you have had enough chances . . . and all you end up doing is posting nonsense.

  170. aminthemystic says:

    You do not stand for Democracy or Science. . .

    1. You are that unfamiliar with science it is laughable. Recent comments of Sina have been butchery of Modern Science – now if a Muslim would have posted such thing . . .your reaction would have been completely different.

    2. Is open lying – justifying bigotry and hate . . . democratic values? No. . . . yet you do those things. So you are NOT someone who is upholder of those values.

  171. aminthemystic says:

    "Not only did you not provide a single shred of evidence for that claim of me "abusing you" other than that Julia did it to you…. And that is not me doing it, as you inaccurately write. "

    Don't play games . . .and quit the lying. You are on shameless liar. I am going to pursue this lies about Sina.

    I have ALWAYS Maintained that your abuse of me is through SUPPORTING Julia. We have discussed this is in the past.

    No quit this shameless lying . . .it will get you nowhere.

    – –

    "Also just a few hours ago you chastised KISMET. He presented his personal experience with Muslims as evidence and you threw it out, demanding evidence of a more general nature, like with stats. "

    But this is NOT question of "numbers" . . . don't pretend to mix apples and oranges. So far – you have written bigotry that includes all Muslims . . . It is like Sina saying all Muslims are "guilty" and that is why he has no problems about West killing Muslims.

    – – –

    "But here you use your personal experience with me, and nothing more, as evidence that abuse of Muslims is my SOLE or predominant motivation for being here? THAT IS what you wrote. "

    Nope – And your rampant bigoted statements . . . one example is Julia's abuse . . . and her vile statements and those of "denialisnoproof" as they did not just include me. . .

    Other example is the shameless lying support of Sina. . .

    – – –

    "Gee, and you in your arrogance chastise people for not thinking through something before you write. When it is time and again you who writes such impulsive yet unthinking, contradicting, inconsistent statements."

    Where? You have not shown up ONE yet . . . other than personal hate. Repeated hate . . . that is why you justified ABUSE of Muslims [and me] and the whole methodology. . .

    – –

    "I suspect that you don't do much second correctional reading after writing a post. But it should make you more humble when I point out the illogical, inconsistent, contradicting writings that you yourself send. "

    Well why don't you. . . .so it has been a SPECTACULAR failure.

    – – –

    I have exposed your rampant lying . . . especially in the case of Sina.

    GO back to those comments and justify . . .

  172. Demsci says:

    //"No you wouldn't . . . as you cannot take it – that I am claim and often have prove to be a better upholder of Western values than you – and I am still a Muslim."//

    I would almost like nothing better that situation, but is it true?

    Anyway I am ONLY here to defend key Democratic values (not Western per se) here. As I am NOT here to discuss some kind of superior position of Darwinism versus religion, because that would put me on a collision course with valuable Christian Democratic allies.

    And so for me it would be just great to finally come to discuss on my turf, which is Democratic values and their protection and enhancement. Instead of all people here almost always talking about what Islam is and is not and demands and prohibits or what it leaves free.

    I am very much inclined to take you on, but let me just say we two should limit the number and length of our posts and leave enough room for others to make their points with as much or more bandwith as we two take. We risk boring people or people skipping our comments if we take up too much bandwith. 

  173. R W says:

    So are paedophiles proud and happy with what they do. That does not make them moral.

  174. R W says:

    Well it didn't stop your Ad hominem attacks on Ali Sina. Muhammed liked to rape women and tortured a Jew at Khaybar to tell him where some treasure was hidden. Dante was right. Muhammed is in hell.

  175. Demsci says:

    //'Which shows – that you are NOT here other than to abuse Muslims. Proof? You did it to me . . . "//

    Not only did you not provide a single shred of evidence for that claim of me "abusing you" other than that Julia did it to you…. And that is not me doing it, as you inaccurately write.

    Also just a few hours ago you chastised KISMET. He presented his personal experience with Muslims as evidence and you threw it out, demanding evidence of a more general nature, like with stats.

    But here you use your personal experience with me, and nothing more, as evidence that abuse of Muslims is my SOLE or predominant motivation for being here? THAT IS what you wrote.

    Gee, and you in your arrogance chastise people for not thinking through something before you write. When it is time and again you who writes such impulsive yet unthinking, contradicting, inconsistent statements. I  suspect that you don't do much second correctional reading after writing a post. But it should make you more humble when I point out the illogical, inconsistent, contradicting writings that you yourself send.

  176. R W says:

    Pact of Umar baby. Never trust a Muslim. They have to reign supreme no matter what.

  177. aminthemystic says:

    Why don't you "prove" these . . . simply saying it . . is completely meaningless.

  178. aminthemystic says:

    "Freedom of speech means freedom to offend. You have offended me so I will offend you."

    Ah well. . . you expose your own shortcoming with such reply.

    Why don't you read this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    And figure things out?

  179. aminthemystic says:

    "In contrast Ali Sina painstakingly always first and foremost attacks Islam in people, not primarily people themselves. "

    This is an absolutely shameless lie from you . . . this is why I have absolutely NO regards for you. . .

    You have no trouble with such shameless lying . . .

  180. aminthemystic says:

    "And Ali Sina shows intelligence and courage, above the average man. In belittling a great man so totally, you also, by implication, belittle the average human, IMO. "

    This is completely pathetic and stupid response. It is also ILLOGICAL.

    Just because some people hold Sina to be "great" others do not. . .

    I think – in the grand scheme of things . . . . are not many that WOULD call Sina great in any shape or form.
    – – –

    BY your logic . . .anyone here abusing Prophet Muhammad is belittling the average human being . . .

    Let us face it . . .there are more than a billion that would hold to be great . . . than Sina . . .

    – – –

  181. aminthemystic says:

    "And your responses like this, which are no answers, are nothing but dismissals. But we already know that that is your default stance, so why bother to reply? "

    And? If his rants had anything . . . then they would need something more than simple dismissals. Complex dismissals.

    It is the name of the game.

    You dismiss your opponents viewpoint.

    And that is EXACTLY what you do too. Name me a person here who does not?

    As to why respond? To highlight his inadequacy . . .and in Sina's case?

    That ain't hard . . . despite 3 times calling me out for a debate . . . well . . .he has not yet had the guts.

    – – –

    "I mean, you so often respond with dismissals without specification why."

    Prove it?

    – – –

    "And you do not even contrast this with anything you agree with or approve of, written by us. Either you never do that or you simply ignore all you agree with and approve of. I suppose many posters often do this, but you are extreme in this. "

    He he . . .more sheer nonsense. . . which you have been pedaling sine ages. . .

    I have stock response for your nonsense:

    what shall we do with the drunken sailor

    what shall we do with the drunken sailor

    what shall we do with the drunken sailor

    what shall we do with the drunken sailor

    – –

    "For instance, you can be Ali Sina's opponent, but it amounts to hateful bigotry against him, if you pretend that every single word and argument of that man is something you find dishonest or stupid, or mistakes. "

    No it isn't. I do not abuse or insult Sina . . . perhaps NOT even once . . .hence you are lying.

    Him on the other hand . . . has no such qualms. . . I can prove this too.

    Also – he openly calls all Muslims Guilty . . .Dirty. . . and what not.

    So it is easy to who is the Bigot.

    In reverse . . . I do not label non Muslim with such brush strokes.

    By the very definition of the word . . .you cannot be bigot for a single person . . can you?

    – – –

    "And Ali Sina shows intelligence and courage, above the average man. In belittling a great man so totally, you also, by implication, belittle the average human, IMO. "

    Where? What intelligence? His book is so poor . . . you do not find one person who has read it among his supporters?

    So what intelligence?

    – –

    "In contrast Ali Sina painstakingly always first and foremost attacks Islam in people, not primarily people themselves. "

    This is such an utter lie of EPIC proportions . . . WOW!

    Your lying here is breath-taking . . .

    We have EVEN discussed – in the past – hatred of Sina towards Muslims . . .

    Yet you OPENLY Lie about this. . .

    How shameless . . .

    How utterly shameless. . . .

  182. aminthemystic says:

    He he . . . in this instance . . .I am 100% right.

    Sina DID come out to make a worthless comment.

    – – –

    See how bigoted you are?

    Of course I condemn Sina . . . life after lie . . .mistake after mistake. . .

    THAT worthless book.

  183. aminthemystic says:

    "Although you wrote that constructive criticism on Islam is OK by you, it seems that you call ALL criticism on Islam by infidels here "INDECENT". OK, so let that be clear, then. I would NOT call Muslims critical of Darwinism INDECENT just for doing so. "

    No . . . you would ABUSE them by supporting abuse against them . . .

    Like you supported VILE abuse of Julia against me.

    You are bigoted against ALL Muslims. Are you not?

    – –

    That is why neither are you scientific and democratic. . . how can you be? When you undermine the very VALUES it stands for.

  184. aminthemystic says:

    "Are they worthless to the to me vital discussion about democracy and Islam and peace or war between Muslims and democratic people, especially Americans? Because that to me is much more important than Ali Sina being or being not an expert on Islam. "

    These are NOT discussion about Muslims and "Democratic" people.

    Sina is NOT democratic . . . not really.

    – – –

    This is pretend BS by the likes of you. There is no such thing as Muslims Versus Democratic people

    Building such BS is what you are good at . . . I have exposed that repeatedly in the past.

  185. aminthemystic says:

    "Doesn't this say something about the contrast between you and him? He seems to be able to absorb new evidence and arguments from different people and change his views."

    Does it? So such major decisions . . . and you keep yo-yoing about . . .that is openness and flexibility?

    So what happens to all those big declarations? Why make them . . . then?

    He held that to be a believer in God is sheer irrationality.

    I, countered against that . . . .it seems to be victory for me.

    And by his previous beliefs – he is irrational.

    That ain't openness.

    = = =

    "You ridicule that very openness, flexibility. As you wrote it after saying Sina coming out ONLY with worthless comments."

    Nope – I ridicule the lack of humbleness . . .why make such emphatic comments and then attempt to rub them out?

    – –

    "Is it a virtue to remain of the same opinion all your life after having reached this opinion at some point in adult life and after having expressed and explained that? Is staying a Muslim all life to you a virtue, just because of good consistency and loyalty? "

    Of course it is . . else I would not be one.

    – –

    "About that use of "worthless", to whom are his comments worthless? And who are you trying to convince? Muslim readers, independent readers? "

    Sina . . .and you. So what was it worthy in the above comments? Why don't you explain . . .as this will give your objection some welly.

    I put it to you . . . those comments are worthless. . . .and it is YOUR hatred of ME . . . that is making you object and nothing more.

    – –

    "Are they worthless to the to me vital discussion about democracy and Islam and peace or war between Muslims and democratic people, especially Americans? Because that to me is much more important than Ali Sina being or being not an expert on Islam. "

    Well he is not an expert of Islam.

    I have established that . . .

    If you object to this . . . then you will be asked to prove it. And that . . . you know is impossible.

  186. R W says:

    Freedom of speech means freedom to offend. You have offended me so I will offend you.

  187. R W says:

    Islam is despised because we now know the truth about Islam. The truth is that Satan created it as a way of destroying mankind.

  188. aminthemystic says:

    Oh . . . why don't you read Sina's views on Democracy . . . and then comment? Leave me a nice reply . . .

  189. aminthemystic says:

    Or inventor of bogus philosophy knowledge . . . Demsci and me have spoken at some length.

    He is well aware of my views . . . it is simply his dishonest nature. That is WHY he is here on this site . . .

    – –

    Western society at large would and does reject Sina. . . some evidence is his book . . .no one wants it.

    Other? Well his supposed buddy Geller. . .

    – – –

    As for Sina's democracy?

    Pity it was so hidden when Obama was elected.

  190. R W says:

    If Islam is a religion of peace why do its peace loving followers have this bad habit of burning churches and raping christian women? Islam is vile!!!!

  191. R W says:

    I didn't utter any dirty words. So what about your prophet ejactulating into a nine year old girl. The truth scares you. Islam is dying in Iran. The people are beginning to see what a disgusting evil satanist Muhammed was.

  192. aminthemystic says:

    "And I would respect him when he admitted as much. It is in my mind better when a totalitarian Muslim openly decrys the manmade democratic system and offers a "divine, shariah-alternative societal system" "

    No you wouldn't . . . as you cannot take it – that I am claim and often have prove to be a better upholder of Western values than you – and I am still a Muslim.

    – – –

    "than it is if such a Muslim tries to deny and obfuscate the anti-democratic nature of Islam or part of it or a totalitarian interpretation of it, by so many other Muslims. "

    In other words . . . you are all set and your mind is made up . . . HENCE why you are part of such a site. This is why NOT only Liberals . . .but Conservatives like Pipes would decry Sina and his rampant bigotry.

    Do not forget – it was a Conservative British government that banned Geller and Spencer. Even Pipes is going silent with his support for Spencer. . . and i have tried to ask him . . .and failed to get an answer over Geller.

    He repeatedly suppress all such comments.

    = = =

    Isn't it interesting . . .I have asked you in the past . . .about Sina's book and Articles about Islam . . .

    Why are they full of such mistakes? Why does he need to "lie" . . . if he is upholder of such truth?

    – – –

    Answers?

  193. aminthemystic says:

    [[

    //"Tommy Robinson – the leader of EDL left the party . . . why because its members were nothign more than thugs. A collection of Football [Soccer] hooligans."//

    And how is the above a rebuttal of this:
    //"Get out of the closet and announce publicly that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy and that it has no place in your country.""//

    ]]

    Of course it is rebuttal . . . I will explain to you . . TR is someone who used to do that . . . what did he attract?

    Hooligans. Others too criticize Islam . . . like Dawkins – it doesn't matter who much I dislike him . . . yet he is a scientist and a good science writer . . . one cannot not acknowledge that. Now such people will not go near Sina and decry him, like me, as a bigot.

    So it is not just what you say . . .but how you say it . . . Also:

    "So if you do start with this nonsense . . . there will be people like me pointing out that such RABID bigotry is NOT a British value . . .and how "I" am a better upholder of British Values . . .than you. "

    Sina's version of being anti-Islam is far different that other people's. I have even pointed to you . . .I am better upholder of certain Western values THAN you are . . . .

    Especially you ridiculous and thoroughly illogical support of Julia the troll.

    – –

    "A part of Members of EDL may be thugs, but that in no way contradicts the statement that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy. "

    Majority are. And being thuggish . . .is not a British value . . .neither is hatred or bigotry.

    – – –

    "Not all people who say that are "thugs" and many are much better, wiser, balanced people. A minority of protesters from questionable background does not disqualify all the other protesters. And even if it did, Ad hominem-like focus on the source, the messenger, does not in itself disqualify the notion under discussion. "

    Do you know any that are?

    – –

    "If Ali Sina's above remark is in any way false, why don't you try to argue that Islam fits in Democratic society without any essential problems, let alone without any threats to it? "

    Democracy is simply a way of governance . . . Islam is in no way in contradiction to that. Most of Islam lived with Monarchism – now that is far more in contradiction than Democracy . . . where you choose your leader.

    As for "Secularism" – now that is something else. . . .and is by its very name and nature completely in contradiction.

    – –

    "And also: Does Islam not inspire disloyalty to the democratic system, for instance when Islam seems to be inspiring the inhabitants of a democratic country to despise it and to side with it's Islamic enemies? "

    What are you talking about? Either give examples . . .else I do not know what you are referring to.

    – –

    "The woolworth killer, Michael Adebolajo, stated on video that a British soldier deserved to die because British soldiers killed "our women and children". He clearly identified with Muslims in Afghanistan and clearly not with the country he was born and living in."

    Yes – he did. In similar way . . how you identified with Julia for being anti-Islamic – DESPITE the abuse – rather than me . . . I am not interested in abuse. And claim to be far better a Westerner than such hate pedlar as Sina or Julia.

    There are many causes to be anti-Islamic . . . yet you choose one of the most vilest bigot.

    – – –

    "You too sometimes gloat over the failures of NATO, implying that you too prefer the very undemocratic Taliban over the democratic NATO."

    Where? DO prove this . . .

    – – –

    "Don't you see that this might give interested, reading outsiders, and Muslims of course, the idea that you support a totalitarian group against the democratic system? "

    Nope . . . because you are good at such mud slinging . . . and I am good at exposing such cute little dishonesty.

    Why don't you attempt to prove the above . . .and see what happens?

    – – –

  194. Sakat says:

    Accept you failed in lot many things ,in understanding simple truths ,hahah.Hard facts are hardly told .
    1.Temurlane massacred 4 million Hindu's in Delhi ( it was ruled by Ibrahim Lodi ,an Afghan Muslim ,but at end he killed Hindus and, not the Muslims )
    2.Gajani Mohammed looted 17 times ,the most revered temple (Somanath) ,he took 2 million people as slaves ,till then slavery was not practiced in India
    3.Ghorry Mohammed did the same thing.
    Above all they substantiated their acts to ,the acts of Mohammed ,their prophet who put the foundation stone in 7th century A.D hahaha.

  195. aminthemystic says:

    Why don't you rewrite his [Sakat's] answer for me . . . if you have understood it.

  196. aminthemystic says:

    "We can at least post up many countries that on many issues like that of law and order, peaceful existence, prosperity outperform in the present time the abovementioned Islamic nations. Look a UN-statistics, Freedom House publications for example. "

    Yes . . .and yet when you go about a 100 years back? Take Britain. . . its prosperity was built upon India and the Empire.

    It spawned likes of Canada, Australia and USA. And the abuse that took . . .

    Then the internal strife . . . the horrific world wars. . .

    – –

    "Sakat answered you very well on that. And there is much to say about the struggle in Afghanistan, where the combination of totalitarian and Islamic attitudes of Talibans and other Afghans held off: Education for girls, proper representative democratic system and values, progress and prosperity, which by and large NATO was trying to provide there. "

    All this has nothing to do with what I put up . . . why is it the might of the West failed? As for championing others . . . I would be careful . . after your previous er . . .champions.

    Sakat – I mostly ignore. I have trouble making sense of what he says.

    – –

    I am not playing such diversionary games with you.

  197. Sakat says:

    Don't bark English ,just switch to the subject Mr Mystic.If do not understand the matter then ,you are useless.Be intelligent ,not literary begot (you are not so,i must say ),after all you are not Shakespeare ha ha ha.You cant become Englishman ,for simply imitating their language and ,who has to say my English is bad either ,because the same remarks were dosed at you by Englishman (white man) , but certainly check had better out ,poor fellow ,you always stands slave to that illiterate pedophile gentleman ha ha ha.

  198. aminthemystic says:

    EDL grew out of BNP . . . both are remnant of National Front.

    – –

    See this is the problem . . . I do not think racism matters to you . . .as long as . . . EDL is sufficiently "anti-Islam"

    You would be willing to support it.

    – –

    How do I come to that conclusion . . .

    Your support of the vile abuse of Julia.

    You claimed such abuse was wrong . . . YET . . . . because Julia appeared to be anti-Islamic.

    You were fine.

  199. aminthemystic says:

    I do not think you have comprehension problems. Your English is fine as is your understanding. The problem is one of honesty.

    The answer is perfect adequate. . . .for those like Sina who know what EDL is . . .

    – –

    Let me show you your utter dishonesty . . .

    " "Criticism of a religion is not racism. The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist? Why it is smart to criticize Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other faiths, but it is racist to criticize Islam?" "

    Versus

    "//"The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist? Why it is smart to criticize Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other faiths, but it is racist to criticize Islam?"// "

    See the subtle dishonesty . . . you left that first bit out . . .DELIBERATELY.

    VERY VERY DISHONEST.

    – – –

    "Some people in the EDL are racist! So what?! "

    Virtually ALL in the EDL are racist . . . and they are called out as much. It was composed from BNP . . . and BNP Is racist. And they have taken up the guise of being anti-Islam . . . hence only such people are deemed as racist.

    – – –

    //"And as for scholars – they do not get such labels. . . even Richard Dawkins."// is not relevant as evidence that "it is racist to criticize Islam" as you confirm when you say "Because".

    This affirms what Sina said:

    "The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist?"

    Russell was critical of Islam too. . .for example.

    Dawkins is VERY anti Islam and no one labels him as a racist.

    = = =

    "In your MIND you may have good reasoning available, but your actual writings above are very incomplete and invalid. And if we don't answer you, you will leave it at that. What message do you want to spread, who do you want to influence? To think what? To be on whose side? "

    He he he sheer nonsense.

    And I have highlighted your dishonesty.

  200. aminthemystic says:

    "And by the same token: Have you forgotten the many compliments and acknowledgements I gave you?" "

    Yes. As you have NOT paid me a single compliment . . . are you really that stupid? I do not think so . . .

    You can support vile abuse against someone . . .and claim you have paid them compliments.

    – – –

    "And anyway, was the abuse I allegedly wrote really against you as a person? NO! "

    How nonsensical AGAIN. Is that how you justify killing innocent Muslims? If you saw a Muslim man walking . . .and stabbed him . . then what would you claim?

    It is not him you stabbed . . . but the Islam?

    DO you think your country's law will take that excuse?

    – – –

    You are LYING again . . . Julia's abuse WAS against me as a person. End of.

    – – –

    "And even if I said something like "nonsense" or "preposterous" or whatever indicating either dishonesty or stupidity, how was that compared to what you said to me?! Combined with the almost total absence of any compliments or confirmations or appreciations? "

    Find one . . . insult I have posted against you? On the level of abuse . . . that Julia used to post. . .and the other person . . .

    "denialisnoproof"

    He is still there . . . with the occasional swearing . . . still going on.

    But he is not as frequent as dear Julia.

    – – –

    You took ALL that abuse and – and supported it 100%. . .

    And you want me to pay you "compliments"

    Wow!

    – –

    Once you begged me for respects . . . . now you want compliments?

  201. Sakat says:

    @Father of Narcole
    whom soever you may be gentleman ,i am not endorsing your opinion here.Infact you are demonstrating the weakness and not bravery .We have to fight them with argument /discussions/debate etc and not through cheap gimmicks .This site has its own ethics ,unlike theirs.So i hope you will not repeat these things in future .

  202. aminthemystic says:

    Nope – why don't you give the exact comment number. I see me . . . .exposing your BS . . . in my usual style.

    But this does not open any such comment.

    You can go to that comment and paste the exact reference. . .

    – –

    If that fails . . . post something of the comment . . . so I can locate it.

  203. aminthemystic says:

    How insulting . . I have never considered communism . . .what nonsense!

    – –

    " these people like winston churchill or hitler did not claim to be prophet so none of their acts were sunah for their country men they are either free to follow or reject it unlike muslims "

    Of course not! Churchill as a prophet . . . give me break.

  204. aminthemystic says:

    "Incorrect as it could be even higher, say around 97%. Do you have a counter-claim? "

    Yes. However . . . as you made the claim . . .proof?

    – –

    "You are talking about a conversation I had with @Narcole a month or 2 back of which you are unlikely to have first hand knowledge. So does this comment take that discussion forward. Very unlikely. So what are you trying? That you are not just a liar. "

    Boo hoo. . . waaaah.

    Oh well . . .I am used to it . . . when you cannot answer something . . .either it is utter lies. . . or tit-for-tat petty answers . . .trying to be amusing.

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor

    What shall we do with the drunken sailor

    – – –

    More evidence to the philosophy knowledge lie . . .eh!

  205. proffessor X says:

    ha ha mr communist come muslim these people like winston churchill or hitler did not claim to be prophet so none of their acts were sunah for their country men they are either free to follow or reject it unlike muslims 

  206. aminthemystic says:

    Sakat – my dear fellow . . . still here? I asked you couple of years ago . . . take some English lessons . . .

    might have helped!

    Either that or you are far above my level!

  207. aminthemystic says:

    Most of the story of Israh wal Miraj is recounted in Hadith and not in Quran. And what does it have to do with insults?

    – –

    "And isn't it also true that your horrible allah, in his great wrath, has transformed some Jews into monkeys and pigs? "

    Apes. . . yes. It is true.

  208. Sakat says:

    What is truth then?and who will decide it that it is truth .Who will define truth to its perfection (you don't carry that capacity either) .Why Allah needs medium to convey his message to the humanity ,through the supposed benevolent prophet (but his deeds are very opposite to benevolence).If Allah is the creator of everything then,why s/he has not conditioned or programmed the minds of human beings before their creation ,why he need a person to propagate/dictate human activities later on.Moreover it is actually against very opposite of the nature of his creation ( for example ,fasting during day and filling to the throat during night ) .If Qur'an speaks about the process of whole creation ,why ? it left Dinosaurs and other pre-historic mammals from its trajectory .Who is at fault? you ,me, Mohammed ,Gabriel ,Allah or madam Narcole hahaha.

  209. Demsci says:

    //"Or have you forgotten YOU vile abuse of me?"//

    And by the same token: Have you forgotten the many compliments and acknowledgements I gave you?"

    And anyway, was the abuse I allegedly wrote really against you as a person? NO! At worst it was against your religion! And even if I said something like "nonsense" or "preposterous" or whatever indicating either dishonesty or stupidity, how was that compared to what you said to me?! Combined with the almost total absence of any compliments or confirmations or appreciations?

  210. aminthemystic says:

    Son – if you cannot answer . . . then leave it . . . such answers simply highlight . . .you cannot answer!

  211. aminthemystic says:

    Nope. I am always with my name . . .however before I used to post under "Amin Riadh" – however then I signed up – in order to trace answer and started Exposing Sina blog.

  212. aminthemystic says:

    That is better . . . why did you make such dance about it?

    – –

    The uploader has disabled comments – it was better to posts answers there . . .

    All of these have already been answered. . . there is nothing new there . . . you see these posted everywhere . . . a site like answering-islam is well know for it.

    Do you want me to answer . . . or are you not a bit bothered?

  213. Demsci says:

    //"Is a complete lie . . . 
    You can prove me wrong . . . by finding those comments and showing I am wrong . . .and you are right."// http://alisina.org/blog/2012/12/01/jews-and-musli

    it is under the post of the post of "peaceful Islam" with the picture of the video; "Just give it a thought" It depicts a young man in a yellow shirt.

  214. aminthemystic says:

    "But of course you will always either ignore or ultimately discredit, dismiss and deny anything, anything at all. "

    I never "IGNORE"

    As for others . . . yes of course I do that!

    Doh!

    If something is incorrect and false . . . . like your little lie there . . . the correct action is to DENY It . .

    – –

    If someone like Chuck claims to have extensive phiolosophy knowledge – and really doesn't . . . you EXPOSE and DISCREDIT that person.

    Just like I successfully DISCREDITED you . . . the case of VILE ABUSE of Julia.

    Which shows – that you are NOT here other than to abuse Muslims.

    Proof? You did it to me . . .

    There are still questions about that episode WHICH you have yet to answer . . .

    – – –

    What you want is . . . for your buddies to post up any old nonsense . . . and for Muslims NOT to answer back!

    How pathetic and ridiculous.

    – – –

    "You pretend to readers; "If only these counterjihadists would answer properly and enough, then they would be worthy of respect and attention and credibility/ trustworthyness". "But they fail to do that". "

    So posting up vile abuse and lies . . . that is to you worthy of respect?

    Of course it is!

    That is what you did with Julia.

    This person . . . whose sole purpose was to post vile abuse.

    And yours to cheer it on . . .

  215. aminthemystic says:

    Shot yourself haven't you . . . .

    Posting more and more lies about me . . .

    THIS:

    "I well remember how you reacted when Search4truth obliged you, by giving ample evidence, giving you ample reliable sources, some of them impeccably Islamic. He also gave you plenty of logical reasoning. THEN you responded, saying that "simple copying-pasting" is not a good answer. "

    Is a complete lie . . .

    You can prove me wrong . . . by finding those comments and showing I am wrong . . .and you are right.

    – – –

    In the meantime I am calling this lie out. . .

  216. aminthemystic says:

    "This is 2013."

    And? Spinning more nonsense are you?

    Saying go and search – that still would have been valid in 1703. And it still would have been incorrect.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

    I taught you about Burden of Proof. . . or have you forgotten . . . why don't you look it up.

    That sort of answer has been deemed ILLOGICAL. . . guess by whom?

    The person already knows . . . hence it should be easy for him to post these videos . . . or the case might be he is simply lying and . . . that is why making a big deal out of nothing.

    – –

    "I well remember how you reacted when Search4truth obliged you, by giving ample evidence, giving you ample reliable sources, some of them impeccably Islamic. He also gave you plenty of logical reasoning. THEN you responded, saying that "simple copying-pasting" is not a good answer. "

    You are lying. There is no other word for it . . .

    So where is this person . . . . why did he leave?

    He left . . .when he was asked a question . . . he gave false answer . . . pasted meaningless unrelated chunks.

    = = =

    "So your purpose is not primarily good and honest debate, let the best human win, your primary purpose is: Let Islam win (or not lose) at any cost! "

    He he . . . how disgusting . . .

    THAT is why you supported . . . .the VILE VILE abuse of Julia.

    This person's abuse was that VILE that Sina banned it [her/him]

    And YOU supported every single word of such abuse . . .

    Hence THAT is why you are lying . . .

    = = =

    "We should be better than you and sometimes be positive and acknowledge Islam was and is a very successful religion, and many Muslims are nice, fine people. And you are very intelligent and well educated. A great pain in the ass! a very thought-stimulating person. "

    But you are not!

    Or have you forgotten YOU vile abuse of me?

  217. aminthemystic says:

    This is what MOST [not all] supporters of Sina are . . . . hate mongers and bigots. They can deal out side this sphere . . . that is why EVEN the non-Muslim society at large disregards such people.

    This is what Sina is . . .he too does this. . . so no surprise there.

  218. aminthemystic says:

    There you go! Nothing from people like you is the truth.

    I pity you.

    – – –

    A rational person has no need to swear – that is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do. . . .

  219. aminthemystic says:

    "Interesting that you decry my analogy which fits perfectly with Muhammad's deeds (and those of Islamists) of forcing unbelievers to accept Islam or face the sword"

    No it is does not. I have shown that . . . it does not fit.

    Simple affirmation is simply worthless.

    Counter my argument. Which YOU have not been able to do.

    Hence – my gutting your analogy to show its mistake stands.

    If you want to show WHERE I am wrong than show that . . . like I've said – simply affirming your nonsense is simply useless.

    – – –

    Your analogy is NOT about someone literally forcing another person to convert. . .

    "It's no choice if the only other alternative is eternal hell."

    Read the above line . . .is that talking about some Muslim forcing another or the fear of hell?

    – –

    "Say if a robber holds a gun to your head and says "gimme your money or your life"."

    THIS – simply affirms your earlier statement.

    – –

    I warned you to think – BEFORE spinning nonsense.

  220. Demsci says:

    Thank you for that link about that infamous passage in Bukhari, Narcole.
    It says:
    //"it is not a way of confirming a general rule or a general ruling, but it is rather near to express exclamation of this standing contradiction of the superiority of women, despite their weakness, over powerful men."//

    NOW they tell us, but when the question was not asked, how did Muslim men interpret and use the Bukhari passage? How did learned Islamic clerics and leaders explain of fail to explain it to men? The original text is too vaque, too prone to misuse, for women out of reach of this beneficial interpretation, IMO.

    And it says:
    //"This does not mean that they should be inferior to men in everything or men are better than them in everything. It is true that the gender of men is better than the gender of women in general, but they may surpass men sometimes in many things. "//So still you put up with the notion that IN GENERAL the gender of men is better than the gender of women?!

    They (famous women in Islam) were known for sobriety and deep understanding which attests to refute of this understanding that the meaning of the Hadith was the deficiency of women's intelligence in general or they are incompetent from the mental status. This claim is true in regard of the Western civilization which has considered women as a cheap amusement and an instrument for play and fun without showing more respect to their dignity nor to their humanity."//

    So according to your link the claim about the women's deficiency in general or that they are incompetent from the mental status IS TRUE ABOUT WESTERN CIVILIZATION???

    So for women in Islamic countries the evidence of some outstanding, well respected women is SELECTED as evidence of a good attitude of Muslims towards women, even though counterjihadists could point to the vast numbers of ordinary women, discriminated against, with justification from Islam by Muslim men, clerics even.

    And then, at best a small percentage of Western Women, in a small voluntary part of their lives, is used as justification, in a general way, to pronounce that it was WESTERN, and NOT ISLAMIC, society that emphasized and habitualized the judgement of women as being less intelligent and competent than Men?!! O.o.

  221. aminthemystic says:

    Build anymore nonsensical lies again. . . I will pursue you . . . and expose you.

    Just like I have done now.

  222. aminthemystic says:

    "Because all the educated Muslims I know don't believe, and of course, this is a proof to me not to you"

    No it isn't. How many "educated" Muslims do you know?

    0, 1, 2 , 3?

    Such answer are nonsense. . . . and completely worthless. You cannot project your own alleged experience unto the wider world. Stats?

    If this is personal – there is no need to mention it. Keep it to yourself

    – – –

    "There are lots of well- educated Muslims who go to mosques and practice their religion, but they do it for social and political reasons as I mentioned. "

    Proof?

    – –

    "As for the race and religions, when Hilter terminated the Jews, the whole world said he didn't like that race, and he wanted to let only the Aryan race to live…..although there are Aryans among the Jews. So it was said before. "

    What has this to do with anything.

  223. aminthemystic says:

    Demsci – you again!

    I still remember Julia – and all you HATRED and BIGOTRY.

    Go and deal with that . . . do not start nonsense with me son.

  224. Demsci says:

    about the back massage

  225. Demsci says:

    You charmer you, this makes me the lucky guy!

  226. Demsci says:

    //"No one is . . . it is meaningless BS."//

    Yet … when Ali Sina asked the question; Why is it racist to criticize Islam? Aminthemystic replied:
    " BECAUSE" …. the supporters of EDL are racists.

    Man, can you be, in actual writing (I am sure in your mind you have much more) any more contradicting?!

    When you say "Because" in response to that above question, you CONFIRM. And are you then "NO ONE"???

  227. Demsci says:

    //"Because the likes of EDL are racist!"//

    is in no way an adequate answer to this:
    //"The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist? Why it is smart to criticize Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other faiths, but it is racist to criticize Islam?"//

    Some people in the EDL are racist! So what?!

    And your addition
    //"And as for scholars – they do not get such labels. . . even Richard Dawkins."// is not relevant as evidence that "it is racist to criticize Islam" as you confirm when you say "Because".

    In your MIND you may have good reasoning available, but your actual writings above are very incomplete and invalid. And if we don't answer you, you will leave it at that. What message do you want to spread, who do you want to influence? To think what? To be on whose side?

  228. R W says:

    Name the country where christians or atheists are burning mosques you dodo. You also state your mosque was burned down. Where was this? Who did it? When did it happen?
    How many "evil" catholics burnt your mosque?

  229. Demsci says:

    Hi Chuck,
    //"He could be a protege of Anjem Choudary or Omar Bakri."// And I would respect him when he admitted as much. It is in my mind better when a totalitarian Muslim openly decrys the manmade democratic system and offers a "divine, shariah-alternative societal system" 

    than it is if such a Muslim tries to deny and obfuscate the anti-democratic nature of Islam or part of it or a totalitarian interpretation of it, by so many other Muslims.

  230. cchuckc says:

    @Demsci
    //mplying that you too prefer the very undemocratic Taliban over the democratic NATO.//
    He could be a protege of Anjem Choudary or Omar Bakri.

  231. R W says:

    I will talk any way I want to, you filthy dog. You are the crazed troll who has been ranting like a madman since this article was put up. Your "prophet" stuck his penis into a 9 year old girl.
    Of course you will deny it but it is the truth. Also, I didn't swear when I stated the truth about your "prophet".

  232. Demsci says:

    //"So who are you going to post up as a model example? What society?"//
    We can at least post up many countries that on many issues like that of law and order, peaceful existence, prosperity outperform in the present time the abovementioned Islamic nations. Look a UN-statistics, Freedom House publications for example.

    //"This broken down and dirt poor Afghanistan has just held of the whole might of the Allied forces . . with its impressive tech."//

    Sakat answered you very well on that. And there is much to say about the struggle in Afghanistan, where the combination of totalitarian and Islamic attitudes of Talibans and other Afghans held off: Education for girls, proper representative democratic system and values, progress and prosperity, which by and large NATO was trying to provide there.

    But I like to present you with the theory of Gunnar Heinsohn. He basically says that

    in (and around) those countries where there is a high proportion of people in the ages between 18 and 30, in combination with the young men in that category being energetic, yet without enough good perspective,

    violence, war and also crime are much more prevalent than in countries with much less "angry young men".

    And he added that it was not profitable/ sensible  for NATO-countries to fight against groups of people with a high proportion of "angry young men", while these countries themselves have precious few and beloved/ cherished "sons", who mostly do have good perspective.

    He indicated that NATO-countries for this reason will be unable to defeat Afghans joining Taliban, as in AfPak, where there are many restless young men, spoiling for a fight (as he puts it).

    It is a theory which you might like,  because Heinsohn with it contradicts that Islam is the main problem with the terrorist actions perpetrated by "angry young men" from and in many Islamic countries. Heinsohn says that these young men would have used any religion, or motivation, which justifies going to war, commit violent acts (which they would not do without such motivation, he says!).

    So, he thinks these young men and their leaders merely USE Islam. What do you think about this?

  233. Demsci says:

    //"Tommy Robinson – the leader of EDL left the party . . . why because its members were nothign more than thugs. A collection of Football [Soccer] hooligans."//

    And how is the above a rebuttal of this:
    //"Get out of the closet and announce publicly that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy and that it has no place in your country.""//

    A part of Members of EDL may  be thugs, but that in no way contradicts the statement that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy.

    Not all people who say that are "thugs" and many are much better, wiser, balanced people. A minority of protesters from questionable background does not disqualify all the other protesters. And even if it did, Ad hominem-like focus on the source, the messenger, does not in itself disqualify the notion under discussion.

    If Ali Sina's above remark is in any way false, why don't you try to argue that Islam fits in Democratic society without any essential problems, let alone without any threats to it?

    And also: Does Islam not inspire disloyalty to the democratic system, for instance when Islam seems to be inspiring the inhabitants of a democratic country to despise it and to side with it's Islamic enemies?

    The woolworth killer, Michael Adebolajo, stated on video that a British soldier deserved to die because British soldiers killed "our women and children". He clearly identified with Muslims in Afghanistan and clearly not with the country he was born and living in. His loyalty was to the Ummah, up to the point that he was willing to kill soldiers for fighting it, as he perceived that his country and his religion were at odds, at war.

    He in effect chose the side fighting his country. You too sometimes gloat over the failures of NATO, implying that you too prefer the very undemocratic Taliban over the democratic NATO. Don't you see that this might give interested, reading outsiders, and Muslims of course, the idea that you support a totalitarian group against the democratic system?

  234. Demsci says:

    //"If we drink water from al kauthar, will never get thirsty anymore."//
    Yeah? But that might be because it kills the drinker.

    Agracean's quote added that the particular Water would become a spring of water in the drinker, so that means the person who drank lived.

  235. Demsci says:

    //"Why cant you listen to your own voice and make your own path. Why committed to be a slave. Why so obsessed to brink a broker between you and absolute.  Why organized religion. Why books and Why prophets."//

    Good post, Akshat. The answer might partly be that Narcole tells us she was a very serious girl from a young age and she found some good and beautiful things in Islam, or better, in the version of Islam some nice and eloquent sheikhs introduced her.

    She invested a big and essential part of her life in this version of Islam, she loves it and her sheikhs immensely. She expects rewards in this life and especially life after death. To her your question suggests: GIVING UP, GIVING UP, GIVING UP.  Perhaps we infidels are not very good or even interested at explaining to her what she can GAIN from changing her religion.

    Perhaps our goals are primarily focused on mankind as a whole and its future and we want Muslims to be less intolerant and hostile to and so more tolerant, accepting of, participating in and in harmony with our free and democratic model of the world. So that mankind GAINS, in democracy, freedom, prosperity and happiness, when Muslim GIVE UP Intolerant Islam (be that total Islam or only Literal Islam).

  236. Godwin says:

    It is better for Nicole and Amin to go to Syria to fight the Shiites and Alawites. Or read the the stories of Wafa Sultan, the Arab woman who could think out of the idiot's box : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ

  237. Demsci says:

     //"This is the same person . . . who thought rationality was only for atheists. Now he has adopted God. 
    Tomorrow – he might even be a Muslim"//

    Doesn't this say something about the contrast between you and him? He seems to be able to absorb new evidence and arguments from different people and change his views. And you? You ridicule that very openness, flexibility. As you wrote it after saying Sina coming out ONLY with worthless comments.

    Is it a virtue to remain of the same opinion all your life after having reached this opinion at some point in adult life and after having expressed and explained that? Is staying a Muslim all life to you a virtue, just because of good consistency and loyalty?

    About that use of "worthless", to whom are his comments worthless? And who are you trying to convince? Muslim readers, independent readers?

    Are they worthless to the to me vital discussion about democracy and Islam and peace or war between Muslims and democratic people, especially Americans? Because that to me is much more important than Ali Sina being or being not an expert on Islam.

  238. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    //If ur a woman whos having period and the pain couldnt be ignored…then what would you say when someones talking to you?//
    I won't say that I have 'lost mental balance' because of periods.

    //His scholarship..hmm…too bad u cant find better than mine.//
    Even worse that you can't give a reference of what you think is a better source!! The few English translations of Ayahs you have posted yourself were from Yusuf Ali!! I wonder why?

  239. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    Went through the links.
    The first link tries to explains this away using jugglery of words. However what is telling in so doing it can't help but comment: It is true that the gender of men is better than the gender of women in general, but they may surpass men sometimes in many things.:-)
    Now the link isn't saying that the translation is wrong or anything. It is trying to define within a context. Look at the first question: If the occasion took place in `Eid, would the Prophet (peace be upon him) on that day abase the rank of women in that pleasant occasion?
    Why not? If Muhammad is going to abase woman he is going to that without concerning himself with the occasion. Look at this part of the Hadith (something the article wants to purposefully avoid): O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).
    The article then meanders away from the hadith and talks in general terms and in between resorts to how it was for others. This is called rhetoric, a fallacy.

    The second link doesn't provide any translation. The users on that forum give 3 links all of which lead to 404:page not found.

    So what is your point in giving these 2 links? Is there an alternate translation?

  240. Demsci says:

    You are simply repeating and not explaining, not giving example of "stab behind". Not even to whom. Was it to you? Or to someone else? Did it happen often or only once or twice? Was it personal?

    Or, could it be that to you being critical of Islam itself is devious and insulting to you? Because it isnt to me. If I criticize Islam my intent is NOT insulting you. And I fully accept from you to criticize my Darwinism. If you do that, aren't you the backstabber then in your own logic?

    You have indicated that all infidels posting on this site are indecent, both those rudely critical and those writing politely combined with being critical. You will then only call polite uncritical infidels DECENT (enough for you).

    Although you wrote that constructive criticism on Islam is OK by you, it seems that you call ALL criticism on Islam by infidels here "INDECENT". OK, so let that be clear, then. I would NOT call Muslims critical of Darwinism INDECENT just for doing so.

  241. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    //Do you know the life span of bulbul bird? its about 11 years. so do you think an 'old' 10 year old bird is pedo for marrying below 10 yo bird? Do you know humans original size and life span? //
    Ok. The trolling has started. Good. Only that human beings aren't Bulbul.

  242. narcole1919721 says:

    If ur a woman whos having period and the pain couldnt be ignored…then what would you say when someones talking to you? *rolls eyes*

    His scholarship..hmm…too bad u cant find better than mine.  if u have no problem with nationality, you should master arabic fus7a already since you want to quote arabic fus7a as reference.

    Well theres funny story between a foreigner using naughty guide to translate his words to persons he talked to. he kept talking nice using his language but the guide translated it naughtily and made persons who listened shudder.

  243. narcole1919721 says:

    Do you know the life span of  bulbul bird? its about 11 years. so do you think an 'old' 10 year old bird is pedo for marrying below 10 yo bird? Do you know humans original size and life span?

  244. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    //Aisha was a special woman, at age 9, she already reached maturity physically and mentally.//
    Read back what I have stated in the above post. Even if Aisha was 23 and the daughter of my friend I still will not feel anything other than fatherly affection for her. By the way, 11 is around when puberty starts in girls, but not at 6. Muhammad married Aisha at 6, this may have been a practice then in Arabia (yet another line of defence used by Muslims) but see the example this person was setting!! Wasn't he the best of creation and for all time to come and gone?

  245. narcole1919721 says:

    Thats cos you see it from ur angle. What were the longest age of holy persons on this earth…and their wives age. Answer.

  246. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    //My dear…is saying period in 3 months a habit?//
    The habit is to mention it time and again as one of the reason of not being able to respond cohesively because, and I am using your exact words here, you (and apparently other woman) lose their 'mental balance'.

    //Yusuf Ali was an indian, does it make difference?//
    The purpose was to get you acquainted with the person and his scholarship. Sadly you only seem to have gone so far as the nationality and nothing else.

  247. narcole1919721 says:

    My little 11 yo sis was at hosp and the nurse asked her age..i said shes 11 and still elementary school…the nurse got surprised cos he thought she was a high school or college student…and at work…people treated me like a young girl, but when i said my age, people got surprised.. my bf even has teen look and looks younger than me…but since hes taller and i can change my age look from dress then its fine. 
     Aisha was a special woman, at age 9, she already reached maturity physically and mentally.  aishas age and other girls age, same but different…cos time is relative. Can you feel….like a decade ago…1 hour feels much longer than 1 hour now?

  248. narcole1919721 says:

    My dear…is saying period in 3 months a habit? Did you count how many times period in 3 months yet? 🙂

    Yusuf Ali was an indian, does it make difference? 

  249. narcole1919721 says:

    Hehe…very nice point.

  250. narcole1919721 says:

    Respond politely..hm..only infront, and then stab behind. Thats not decent. do you know what decent it? Need etiquette class?

  251. narcole1919721 says:

    If we drink water from al kauthar, will never get thirsty anymore. 

  252. narcole1919721 says:

    Hmmm zombie….is there spongebob?

  253. narcole1919721 says:

    They did. they burned our mosque. anyway thanks for the indecent word.

  254. Marathon15 says:

    Narcole, then why did Muhammad say you are deficient in intelligence? Go on, blame it on false translations. When we are seeing proof that Islam is bad, you pull out your "Wrong translation" card. The source is Sahih Bukhari, I'm hoping you know what that is. Its the most reliable hadith collection. Additional proof found in Sahih Bukhari 2:24:541, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826. Just search "Muhammad women deficient" in Google to get to the source.
    ————-
    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
    Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." – Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301
    ————
    See that? I'll highlight the quote for you: "This is the deficiency in her intelligence".

  255. Demsci says:

    //"This is a ridiculous and a cop out answer. If someone comes up to you and says I believe the Earth is a prism . . . and when you ask for proof – all he does is says go and search the net. Not good enough. . . '//

    This is 2013. We can search for information staying where we are when we receive the advice and direction of searching.  And why would someone, ostensibly searching for the truth, not just propaganda, and genuinely desiring answers to vexed questions, NOT SEARCH when someone points the direction?

    I well remember how you reacted when Search4truth obliged you, by giving ample evidence, giving you ample reliable sources, some of them impeccably Islamic. He also gave you plenty of logical reasoning. THEN you responded, saying that "simple copying-pasting" is not a good answer.

    And in a way, you responded to search4truth, as AliSina and others responded to SHABEER's endless copy-pastings, although Search4truth was much better than Shabeer. But in a way you demand reactions like Shabeer;s, but then you will disapprove of that too.

    You pretend to readers; "If only these counterjihadists would answer properly and enough, then they would be worthy of respect and attention and credibility/ trustworthyness". "But they fail to do that".

    But of course you will always either ignore or ultimately discredit, dismiss and deny anything, anything at all.

    So your purpose is not primarily good and honest debate, let the best human win, your primary purpose is: Let Islam win (or not lose) at any cost!

    We should be better than you and sometimes be positive and acknowledge Islam was and is a very successful religion, and many Muslims are nice, fine people. And you are very intelligent and well educated. A great pain in the ass! a very thought-stimulating person.

  256. Demsci says:

    //"Sina only come out to make such worthless comments'//

    See? How TOTAL your condemnation of Ali Sina. He made zillions of comments. But Aminthemystic, having read the bulk of them, that Sina ONLY comes out with worthless comments.

    Hateful bigot!

  257. Demsci says:

    //'These are nothing but rants . . .worthless rants.''//

    And your responses like this, which are no answers, are nothing but dismissals. But we already know that that is your default stance, so why bother to reply?

    I mean, you so often respond with dismissals without specification why. And you do not even contrast this with anything you agree with or approve of, written by us. Either you never do that or you simply ignore all you agree with and approve of. I suppose many posters often do this, but you are extreme in this.

    Unless we can make the arrangement that you only respond with dismissals to that which you really dismiss, meaning that that which you ignore in our posts is that part of the posts with which you agree or which is valid and properly argued in your opinion. Or at least you confirming that at times this can be true.

    For instance, you can be Ali Sina's opponent, but it amounts to hateful bigotry against him, if you pretend that every single word and argument of that man is something you find dishonest or stupid, or mistakes.

    And Ali Sina shows intelligence and courage, above the average man. In belittling a great man so totally, you also, by implication, belittle the average human, IMO.

    In contrast Ali Sina painstakingly always first and foremost attacks Islam in people, not primarily people themselves.

  258. Akshat says:

    @Marathon

    Translation is wrong, Interpretation is wrong, I already replied. all are sign's of full fledge fanatic. I suggest you to not indulge in serious discussion's. Save it for the one's who are in actual need of this knowledge.

    Leave her alone to die with Islam as lyka was left on moon.

  259. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721
    //is handsome prophet marrying a beautiful smart fast maturing and loving aisha's love//
    What has being handsome has to do with his alleged pedophile behaviour? Nothing.
    A 53 year old decides to marry a six year old girl shocking his father since he is also like his brother. The 6 year old, you say, was fast maturing (I guess you mean she attained puberty), but you don't quote a reference. I would expect a fatherly love for a child of 6 (even if she is fast maturing) from a family friend. But then it may be too much to expect from Muhammad.

    //bothering the universe and create chaos around the world?//
    Why indeed? Because he sets an example that Muslims might desire to follow. Because he claimed to be a prophet and the best man ever in ta-qaynat. And so on and so forth.

  260. Demsci says:

    //"Non-existent army of Iraq and the methods of "shock and awe" . . . who was it all for – if not to kill civilian?"//

    That particular army had hundreds of thousands of men! Division this, division that etc.
    You must have meant something else, but you WROTE that Iraq's army in 2003 was NON-EXISTENT.

    And yeah, like some mass murderers Bush and Blair invaded Iraq FOR KILLING CIVILIANS. That was clearly present and prominent in their motivation. That is what you wrote!!! You may not have meant it, but this by itself sounds insane. Motivated by extreme bias.

  261. Aryan Hindu says:

    All Abrahamics will be zombies at their day of judgement.

  262. Demsci says:

    I don't recall THAT he said that, but if he did, then I would strongly disagree with him on that. I have solid respect for the American voters.

  263. Akshat says:

    🙂 No a lot more is there and trust me Its much more  soulful then garbage teachings of  Impotent bastard Muhammed like sholat,jumat, ar rehman, ar rahim, :):):)

  264. Aryan Hindu says:

    zombie = Creatures that raise from the dead.

  265. Demsci says:

    //"Yeah . . .simple problem with isn't it . . .who do you point out that isn't a terrorist? Which religion or group of people?"//

    This is Tu Quoque. Oh, I know it is hypocritical if people apply different standards of judgement about different religions, groups of people. And so we should be careful with our judgements. And I agree.

    And Ibn Warraq in his book "Defending the West" pointed out that this attitude permeates the thinking of most Westerners, including media and politicians, often seeing the faults and weaknesses of their own society, past, character. In contrast, he argues, with the attitude of most Muslims, who primarily blame others for problems and about misbehavior.

    But in the present time we CAN point out "who (which religions/ lifestyles, groups of people) is n't a terrorist" also. We can compare longtime peaceful prospering democracies in Europe with poor and terrorist-plagued Islamic countries. And judge the former favorably over the latter. In the UN-statistics and Freedom-house-statistics and mainstream media we can find ample evidence for such a judgement. It is certainly much more prevalent than it's opposite judgement, I find.

    But I suppose you will respond in denial-mode and you will be going for a de facto judgement that, hey, all religions/ lifestyles and groups of people, are all essentially equal in worth and effect and we cannot judge any one better or worse than any other. Which would be a very "western" opinion.

    But such an opinion then does NOT favor Islam as the better "religion/ lifestyle/ political system". And what special gift is it then that God is supposed to have given to mankind with Islam? and what is it that mankind gets (extra) from Islam?

  266. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721
    //Is period a habit, my lovely mr chuck? counting how many times period in 3 months isnt a job, sir….its simple math…pfft//
    Did I say having periods a habit? Read my sentence again: "But it is your habit to come out and say that you are having periods. "

    //easterns tafsir are more complete.//
    So when challenged you can refer to them and quote them. But I scarcely see you doing that. Now you are saying Yusuf Ali is a second grade translator. But he wasn't a Western translator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali
    Tomorrow if I quote Ahmed Ali you would say the same.

  267. Father of Narcole says:

    Dear one's,

    I am the proud father of my daughter who mastered the art of deceiving jihad. I am Very happy  that she is marrying Amin another guy working as a pay less slave for Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

    But I am feeling sorry that I will not able to attend her marriage, As I am going somalia to attend a terrorist training camp along with all my 21 son's from all 6 wife's. still I have made all the arrangements for the marriage ceremony. 

    I Arranged all the Mehr. In mehr, I am providing many amenities along with Bandage, Dettol antiseptic, Iodex balm and Move pain relief which she can use after every beating by Amin.

    Even I have kept a room empty for her in  my home where she can live peacefully once she is dumped by Amin just by saying talaq thrice.
     
    Talaq is ok but I request Amin not to do Khula-Khula (Mehrless return) at least.

                                                                                 Allah-Hu-Akbar

         

  268. cchuckc says:

    @aminthemystic
    //Such "objections" are highly subjective and require a sophisticated level of knowledge in Logic/Reasoning to go anywhere.

    Give how prone you are to little lies .//
    You are talking about a conversation I had with @Narcole a month or 2 back of which you are unlikely to have first hand knowledge. So does this comment take that discussion forward. Very unlikely. So what are you trying? That you are not just a liar.

    //"95% people of this world don't speak Arabic"

    Incorrect. Your claim prove it. //
    Incorrect as it could be even higher, say around 97%. Do you have a counter-claim?

  269. Saket says:

    Calmness need not to be demonstrated if it is actually there :):)

  270. Demsci says:

    " i still havent changed my opinion".

    You haven't given reasons for it either, and you needn't, but this was after I did give counterreasons on same issue.

    Anyway you decry "rude behavior" but when a person responds politely, only still disagreeing, then it is called "backstabbing", something dishonest, devious by you. This makes your disapproving rude behavior stance weak because you also disapprove it's opposite.

  271. Demsci says:

    Democracy versus Islam is at the heart of the matter.

    You seek to discredit Ali Sina only, by saying how supposedly wise or credible people discard him. But that is all about your Ad Hominem-strategy, because of focusing on the messenger instead of on the message, although you cleverly ALSO address the message.

    And I know you addressed his message as well, and so have many other Muslim writers, like Sheila Musaji of The American Muslim. 

    But the essence of his message has many other proponents, people who argue basically like him. And of course Daniel Pipes and many other writers differ from him and others about whether to let Islam die out or reform,

    but they too give good facts both about Islamic texts and interpretation of them and good logic confirming that in part Islam and Democracy are contradictory and it is problematic for Democracy.

    This is what Nonnie Darwish recently said about Democracy and Islam http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3841/egypt-revo

    And here is Daniel Pipes in a discussion about Democracy & Islam: http://www.danielpipes.org/12298/dictators-electe

    These links are only for reference. My point is that you, undoubtedly knowing all this, STILL came up with:
    //"So far Sina has FAILED to prove single of them . . .this is just claims and mere statements. . . let him have the argument."//

    This discussion is long since far advanced. Yes, Muslims have answered, many times, but they have been answered back many times too. And this debate is still ongoing. Relevant facts, like those in Egypt, still happen.

    And here you are focusing on just ONE "messenger" saying preposterously that not a single one of the above "claims and statements" is "proven". With all that evidence out there, of which you and most of us here KNOW. So WHO are you trying to convince here (and elsewhere)???

    With your usual discredit-dismissal-denial-habit. Which make you like a big debate- and discussion-STOPPER, in spite of your many posts.

    Most important to me; we need not be experts in Islam to see it's dangerous, threathening elements and their influence on Muslims worldwide. If anything we need to be experts in essential democratic tenets in order to protect and enhance them.

  272. denialisnoproof says:

    there aren't any non muslims burning muslim worship places so stop acting like a halal prostitute . be objective.

  273. kismet says:

    "Women are deficient in intelligence"……"Women are stupid" That what they call diplomacy !

  274. denialisnoproof says:

    @slave of child rapist most of your child rapist followers like to put blame on others but it is you the muslims who are worst creature on this planet. yuck thu

  275. Sakat says:

    Baby first disprove those Hadiths in which all kinds of rumblings of this pedophile are preserved!!!!:o

  276. proffessor X says:

    ali sina sir what u said is right no body dares to speak about Islam in public neither common man nor politicians because common man expects politicians to speak whereas politicians expects common man to wake up offcourse in my country India many are ignorant whereas politicians are opportunists and corrupt they are using muslims as vote bank u simply cant survive in Indian politics without this muslim appeasement because such an atmosphere is created by corrupt congress and it allies the left etc and common man is so busy improving his own life style but not evrything on our part is wrong Internet is defintely helping people to wake up i myself was ignorant about Islam neither knew zakir naik nor Ali sina it was because of muslims that i came to know both another case was about a girl she with other non muslims who are studyin in Islamic college was asked to arite about prophet muhammads role as messanger of peace she searched Internet what she can find out was that muhammad was a rapist because of the acts of muslims non muslims are waking up thanks to internet  

  277. Agracean says:

    Ms narcole1919721, I really want to puke after reading your above comment. Does it make sense to you that a 53 years old 'prophet' who claimed to be the most 'compassionate' and 'merciful' man in the world, would penetrate a 9 years old little girl in the guise of marriage? Or, could it be that he ain't a prophet afterall but a horrible lecherous and lustful pedophile? Search your conscience and question yourself if you're Aisha's mother, will you let this 53 years old false prophet, who is so much older than you, to marry your little 9 years old daughter and penetrate her? If your answer is 'no', this shows that you still have some conscience left. However, if you choose 'yes', you're indeed a 100% braindead zombie.

  278. proffessor X says:

    i think you are the same guy who comes up with name iam a communist ha ha i can see your frustration 

  279. Agracean says:

    Ms narcole1919721, you must read the Quran and then, you will know the importance of donkey, monkeys and pigs in the zombie world.

  280. Agracean says:

    Mr/Ms aminthemystic, am I flinging insults here? Isn't it true that according to the Quran, your allah's last prophet dreamt that he sat on a donkey and it brought him to his paradise of 72 white virgins? And isn't it also true that your horrible allah, in his great wrath, has transformed some Jews into monkeys and pigs?

  281. Agracean says:

    Ms narcole19191721, you're a typical braindead zombie. Quit beating around the bush and answer my this super simple question, if you're really sincere to expose the real facet of your this monstrous allah!

  282. Agracean says:

    "“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” – Jesus Christ -> narcole19191721

  283. kismet says:

    @ amin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQgCk6bxo0 here is one video, but you need to be good at the Arabic grammar to understand it. By the way, I am not a hater, just unbeliever

  284. kismet says:

    @ amin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQgCk6bxo0 here is one video, but you need to be good at the Arabic grammar to understand it. By the way, I am not a hater, just unbeliever

  285. narcole1919721 says:

    Anyway, is it all about sex? is handsome prophet marrying a beautiful smart fast maturing and loving aisha's love, bothering the universe and create chaos around the world? in fact, it was aisha who loved prophet too much and possessive, she disliked him with other wives, and tried to make him hers only by making conspiracy with other wife. in quran and hadith god reminded aisha to stop being jealous. so its not prophet whos forcing aisha, its aisha whos crazily in love with him. and its all okay as long as no harm to others.

  286. narcole1919721 says:

    No sir, indeed i feel sorry for you with all your wrong sources and the informations. i love you, sir. i dont want you to misunderstand only bcos of wrong sources.

  287. Marathon15 says:

    NARCOLE the Muslim woman: ANSWER the question: Are you deficient in intelligence as compared to a man? REMEMBER, its a simple question. Dont make me ask it multiple times. Dont prove your Pedophile right.

  288. Marathon15 says:

    Narcol, I feel sorry for you. You are OK but you are committed to worshiping this pedophilic bastard who has made false promises to the entire Muslim ummah. You have been fooled like the billion Muslims. He was a false prophet. Screw means having sex. My words fall on deaf ears as you are emotionally trapped like idiots of other religions and faith systems.

  289. narcole1919721 says:

    Of course many meanings…but it depends on the speaker. thats why im asking directly from you 🙂

  290. Marathon15 says:

    You know the meaning of Google and dictionary, right? Look it up in urban dictionary. It is what the 54 year old Pedophile did to 9 year old Aisha.

  291. narcole1919721 says:

    First, its 2013. no more prophet alive here. can a dead person make soup? Second, how come a prophet with his mandatory nature could become a terrorist pedophile? third. i already tested my iq, and its above average. anything else?

  292. narcole1919721 says:

    Several islamic scholars 🙂 how many scholars in this world? anyway, why asking about me? are you thinking dirty? Do you have a wife? where is she?

  293. narcole1919721 says:

    Whats the meaning of screw, sir? 🙂

  294. Marathon15 says:

    Ms. Narcole, the Muslim woman: Can I screw a 9 year old girl? I'm 54 years old so I'm qualified, right?

  295. Marathon15 says:

    NARCOLE, the Muslim woman. Are your breasts inclined to hang or are you flat chested? Please refer to the following text: "In addition to Quranic translations of 78:33 specifying the virgins will be voluptuous[20], Sahih International translates it as "full-breasted [companions] of equal age". Tafsir al-Jalalayn says "and buxom maidens (kawā‘ib is the plural of kā‘ib) of equal age (atrāb is the plural of tirb)". Several Islamic scholars explain that they will have "large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang"."

  296. narcole1919721 says:

    Ohhh only yes or no options? okay, after you answer this. your grandma is a very honest person. she doesnt lie. but ur mom says that ur grandma is a virgin. Answer, YES, or NO?

  297. narcole1919721 says:

    For humanity…i want sis agra to make soup for me, marathon to run seeking doctor, mr chuck to get meds, demsci to back massage. others may make drinks for us. 

  298. Marathon15 says:

    Narcol the Muslim woman: Ask your terrorist pedophile prophet to make soup for you. He said you are deficient in intelligence. Go take some IQ training classes.

  299. Marathon15 says:

    NARCOLE, the Muslim women who is deficient in intelligence: The question is a simple YES or NO question. Are you going to answer the question or do you want to prove your Pedophile Hero right?

  300. narcole1919721 says:

    *coughs* aw..i just visited sis at hosp and she coughed to my face…anyone wanna make soup for me? anyway Eid is coming…time for making cakes to share….each of you must take :] 

  301. narcole1919721 says:

    First, prove that hes a terrorist pedophile. Second, read written answers. Third, check whether its directly from him. Fourth, check the story tellers, Fifth, check the language, and the word meaning one by one. Sixth, be orginal. dont sing old songs. dont have any new question? 

  302. narcole1919721 says:

    But since mr chuck is in here for discussing my period, then ill give bonus in answering. period is the deficiency 😉 for more details, check other threads or read my pro 🙂

  303. Marathon15 says:

    ANSWER the question if you believe that the Terrorist Pedophile was really a prophet.

  304. narcole1919721 says:

    Hm? Where were you before? i did answer in other threads. why you all keep coming with old questions and act as if they are original questions? please explain to us, how come you all ask similar questions, from same sources? are you all in one organization but act as if strangers?

  305. Marathon15 says:

    Narcole, the Muslim woman! First, tell me if there's any difference between saying "woman are deficient in intelligence" and "women are stupid". RESPOND to what I have asked you or I will keep asking you the question. Dont prove Muhammad right! Answer the question.

  306. narcole1919721 says:

    *coughs* i still havent changed my opinion 🙂

  307. narcole1919721 says:

    *laughs at you* *coughs* sorry. I usually laugh seeing others laugh, even without knowing the reason. 

  308. narcole1919721 says:

    Oh so you have no tradition inviting newcomer to drink? aw..so rude..:(

  309. narcole1919721 says:

    Yes i knew that ur asking him, thats why im not answering. If you ask me, ill answer. Ask me 🙂 hehe..but im wondering what will i get by answering easy question but to you hard…

  310. narcole1919721 says:

    *coughs* i laughed cos ur trying hard to piss me off. while im still cool…B) not gonna work 😉

  311. narcole1919721 says:

    Hahahaha

  312. narcole1919721 says:

    Theres no suicide bombing in quran 

  313. narcole1919721 says:

    Do you have a degree for mentioning such words?

  314. narcole1919721 says:

    Are you a good infidel for saying moron and crap. oh so the definition of good is doing destruction and negativity?

  315. narcole1919721 says:

    In pakistan eh? so its about country..if u were in place werhe you could see christians burning mosques…then what would be ur reaction….see…this is very subjective.

  316. narcole1919721 says:

    How many moslems came here, include me…and how many dajjal translations from this site…why are we still loyal to our religion? cos we can check tabayyun, and find that these are made up lies from infidels…only shallow persons who believe all what you say without check tabayyun first. we are not kids that could get brainwashed by weak and unclear proven sources. but its okay…keep trying. i only find it as entertainment and tool for da3wah.

  317. narcole1919721 says:

    Why dont spit on people who copied unclear indirect source? im still calm here..i got many sources in my language…why dont you curse why theres no accurate english tafsir yet?

  318. aminthemystic says:

    You are not capable of civil conversation . . . look at your own foul mouthed, vulgar rant. It is you who is hate-filled and brainwashed.

    I am guessing you are the same person "denialisnoproof" – he swears and insults like this.

    – –

    I am far from "stupid" – I put it to you . . . .someone who is unable to hold a civil conversation . . . is far more likely to be the one suffering.

    If what you hold to be true . . . is that well defined, thought out, clear, etc then you would not have so much trouble proclaiming it.

    You do know that such vulgarity is greatly frowned upon . . .as no sane, knowledgeable, sincere, kind and intelligent person has need to abuse other in such manner. . .

    On the other hand . . .

  319. narcole1919721 says:

    Is period a habit, my lovely mr chuck? counting how many times period in 3 months isnt a job, sir….its simple math…pfft.
    Okay, i have been doing the correction, one by one. anyway, to me yusuf ali and picthal werent great translators in quran arabic. they were only good at english, not arabic, nor history, especially quran. and eastern moslems dont use them. as if no other ahl tafsir. im so sad for western who blindly use them. easterns tafsir are more complete. until now im still sad for this fact that real sheikhs only master arabic and other local languages. eventhough these days many modern madrasas teach preaching in international languages. i respect yusuf ali and picthal for their attempts, eventhough not enough and incomplete and not clear. they are famous bcos of these efforts. but that doesnt mean people can blindly accept their opinions as absolute words from god. If wanna protest, protest their opinions, not god.

  320. Marathon15 says:

    Narcole the female Muslim: Keep making excuses for interpretations and translations! Spit on your prophet's lying face for making his religion unclear.

  321. aminthemystic says:

    "My experience with you is that you are blind when it comes to errors in Quran. I showed you how the concept of Judgement Day is contrary to what a consistently benevolent God ought to ordain."

    Such "objections" are highly subjective and require a sophisticated level of knowledge in Logic/Reasoning to go anywhere.

    Give how prone you are to little lies . . .

    – – –

    "95% people of this world don't speak Arabic"

    Incorrect. Your claim prove it.

  322. aminthemystic says:

    You are nothing more than a bigot . . . all you can do is post such nonsense. Outside of this . . .you are not able to have civil/cordial conversation with anyone. If your BS is questioned – you go to pieces.

    Wise up!

  323. aminthemystic says:

    "I told you to search….you have access to the internet, and all you need is to search."

    This is a ridiculous and a cop out answer. If someone comes up to you and says I believe the Earth is a prism . . . and when you ask for proof – all he does is says go and search the net. Not good enough. . .

    – –

    "I have videos for many Arabic linguists that can show you the language errors in the Koran."

    And? If you already have them . . . share. Why make such a big deal out of it?

    – –

    "but do you understand Arabic? any knowledge about the Arabic grammer? "

    I do. And the thing is do you?

    Say if I answer . . . and explain . . . what quals do you have to be able to judge the answers?

  324. narcole1919721 says:

    First, how could you prove that god is blind. second, how could you prove that mohammed from human race was satan from jin race. 

  325. narcole1919721 says:

    I told you to bring direct source, here. real human. cos as i ever told before..in learning its haram if not from real concrete person. by learning from real concrete person directly, there will be two way communication. less misunderstanding cos theres supervision and correction.

  326. narcole1919721 says:

    Kawa3ib is plural form of ka3b. and ka3b is for ankle. And ankle is for curve. if you want me to be vulgar, theres word wallet. any dirty mind can translate it as dirty word. but its not a translation, but intrepretation from analogy. is it clear enough to you dear? 🙂

  327. narcole1919721 says:

    Can you differ which is translation and which is interpretation…then the root…history and analogy? i did give example for armpit. which word that means armpit? quran never talked indecent. its just the translators that interprete the words to vulgar words they want. if god said "your side" just translate as "your side". If want to explain personal interpretation that it means armpit, just write "your side (arm pit)". and for kawaib, there rules for translators. for explaining and clearly tell which words are from their personal interpretations, and which word from god, also add the root and history of the word. i noticed you guys are immitating priests who slowly changed holyscripts….by putting opinions in holyscript and then as time passes by people and next generation start believing that such opnions were directly from god. and after some time they notice flaws in the opinions and they think the flawed opinions were from god. then start thinking that god has flaws and then doubting god. and then curse god,

  328. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol dont u understand arabic grammar about plural form

  329. Marathon15 says:

    Narcole, the female Muslim: Muhammad said that women are deficient in intelligence (Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301 – please look it up). Since you wrongly proposed that Quran 78:33 talks about Ankles, rather than Breasts and Kismet proved you wrong that indeed Quran 78:33 does talk about Swelling breasts, does it mean that Muhammad was right in saying you are deficient in intelligence? You are published embarrassed due to this stupid religion called Is-Lame, which was invented by a Terrorist Pedophile called Muhammad. We all spit on his grave. You are deficient in intelligence because you will continue to believe in this web of lies called Islam. Leave Islam, join humanity and become a Humanist.

  330. Marathon15 says:

    Thank you for the clarification and proof of Narcole's ignorance about Arabic. Narcole is happy worshiping and idolizing a Pedophile Terrorist from 1400 years ago.

  331. kismet says:

    Dear narcole1919721: it seems that Marathon15 has more knowledge than you have in Arabic. (Kawa'eb) means (breasts). Since you are religious, then you must have a Koran. Check the meaning of that word in the Aya: (……Kawa'eb atraba). The arabic word for ankles is (Ko'oub) and not (Kawa'eb).

  332. kismet says:

    I told you to search….you have access to the internet, and all you need is to search. I have videos for many Arabic linguists that can show you the language errors in the Koran. I can send them to you….but do you understand Arabic? any knowledge about the Arabic grammer?

  333. cchuckc says:

    @aminthemystic
    //Verse 4:34 isn't about "disobedience" as such: ……But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance………………….But about adultery – or extra martial affair – not necessarily sexual. //
    Reference please. What you say isn't correct, or at least thats what it looks like. The contrast between obedience and disobedience is immediately identifiable here since the previous line clearly states, Qanitat, "righteous women are devoutly obedient". My tafsir (Ibn Kathir) explains the later part in these words:
    (As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct,) meaning, the woman from whom you see ill conduct with her husband, such as when she acts as if she is above her husband, disobeys him, ignores him, dislikes him, and so forth. When these signs appear in a woman, her husband should advise her and remind her of Allah's torment if she disobeys him. Indeed, Allah ordered the wife to obey her husband and prohibited her from disobeying him, because of the enormity of his rights and all that he does for her. The Messenger of Allah said, (If I were to command anyone to prostrate before anyone, I would have commanded the wife to prostrate before her husband, because of the enormity of his right upon her.) … etc.

    Reading this explanation and the contrast that is established in the immediately preceding line it is hard to say that this is not about disciplining disliking the husband and disobedience.

  334. cchuckc says:

    @Marathon15
    //Why would your pedophilic prophet promise you virgins with big, swollen "Ankles"? //
    Good one. This is what I found in the tafsir:
    (And vineyards, and Kawa`ib Atrab,) meaning, wide-eyed maidens with fully developed breasts. Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid and others have said, (Kawa`ib) "This means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age. This means that they will only have one age.''
    Also read 56:36.

  335. R W says:

    I have yet to see a person die for criticising Justin Bieber. Secondly, I do not see Christians in Pakistan burning mosques. However, I see Muslims burning churches.
    Your cannot handle the problem straight on. We are talking about how the members of certain religions behave and nothing else. Moron.

  336. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721
    //Aw mr chuck. Its been 3 months. How many times i got period? //
    Its not my job to count your menses. But it is your habit to come out and say that you are having periods.

    //if they and you, bring wrong arabic translation, while none of you is arab, and couldnt understand a word in arabic…is it my fault//
    You can give the correct translation. Do you? By the way I don't invent the translations for Quran I generally rely on Yusuf Ali or Picthall. Both are known experts and celebrated translators. If you think they are wrong you will have to provide correct translations. In fact you should give additional justification why you think your translation has greater merit than their translations. Now show me one post where you have done this.

    //cos since the first time you hadnt even known what ur talking about from real source.//
    See response above.

    //So if you wanna debate once more, bring it on, and dont runaway by saying you cant accept being answered that ur translation wrong.//
    I will accept the translation is wrong only if you bring an alternate translation and the justification why you think it is wrong. I don't bring in arbitrary translations. Those are well documented and celebrated works.

  337. R W says:

    Well, your syntax is crap. Now go and be a good muslim and blow up a church.

  338. R W says:

    You are brainwashed. You are stupid. Do you have a degree? Your English is pathetic.
    Muhammed was a murdering, raping kiddy- fiddler and hence his creation – Islam – is thus disgusting.
    A warlord who liked to stick his penis into a 9 year old girl is not a man of God. He is a man of Satan you deluded retard.

  339. QX--QX says:

    Brilliant joke .:)

  340. Patel says:

    Hehehehehehehehehehe Awesome :):)

  341. Mr Somali says:

    Islam is evil, islam is the relgion of killing and islam is religion of hate.

  342. Agracean says:

    Ms narcole1919721 has became a zombie waitress? hahaha

  343. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr Sakat, you're absolutely right! hahaha

  344. Godwin says:

    Most important of all It produces suicide bombers all over the ME n Pakistan.

  345. Marathon15 says:

    Allah made her blind. Muhammad was the Satan that Allah was talking about. Islam is a test.

  346. Godwin says:

    Since you are a better upholder of British Values, then you better watch what a British gentleman by the name of Pat Condall had said about Islam in you tube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxlO7DLC6p8

  347. penipudaya says:

    hahahaha…. I love this invitation 🙂

  348. Demsci says:

    Narcole, I resent it that you refer to me as having "backstabbing" method. That's nonsense. Backstabbing in the way you use the word refers to a person who attacks another person who trusted him because he was on the same side and against the same opposition. But from the first and always there was not the slightest doubt on whose side I was, never on the side of you or any Muslim against Ali Sina or any counterjihadist here.

    What I DID do was being open for you and other Muslims, flexible, vulnerable, agreeing where I could agree, complimenting at times. I combined that with giving opinions and arguments against you, which you interpreted as "backstabbing". 

    Is it typical of your attitude and style that you use that open flexible attitude of mine against me by labeling it as "having a backstabbing method"? While also condemning those who show no openness and kindness? With you one can do no good, even if one find good in you, it seems.

    And I am NOT more or less decent than my colleaques here. I will only say that I consider myself some kind of "moderate counterjihadist",

    and yes, a follower of Daniel Pipes, whose position is considered unrealistic and unwanted by Ali Sina. So in that respect I indeed may be different from colleagues here.

    O, one more thing, Amin will probably point out I supported "Julia", he does that AD NAUSEAM. I still do, due to adherence to the principle of Freedom of Speech, but he doesn't understand or endorse that principle,

    Although Ali Sina very patiently gives him the advantage of freedom of speech here. And he is every bit as negative as Julia was. Maybe only in a more polished style.

    And Julia always emphasized she only despised and only attacked the adherence and support to Islam in a person, and never the person itself. And under freedom of speech persons are protected, but religions are not.

  349. Qazi says:

                                                                           Marriage Invitation

    By the grace of fearful, hate mongering almighty Allah we both are going to enter a new relation.
                       Very relation which Our great prophet (PBUH) honored 9 times. 
     [lust satisfying  for Groom and Hell full for Bride]  Marriage [1st for bride and 4th for groom]

                           Mr Aminthemystic(58)    S/o Mr naseer abrahum (2rd son of 4th wife )
                                                                               Weds
                           Miss Narcole (19)     D/o Mr Gabriel ahmed (only daughter from 3rd wife)

      You all are invited to have a delicious  dinner of speechless animals [chicken, mutton and beaf].

             Please bless us so both of us can unite and our combined fanaticism can create a child as                                                 extremist as Dr Zakir Naik and continue to take forward Allah’s cause. 

  350. Sakat says:

    @R W
    No no ….his grammar is appealing ha ha ha……? (only to Muslim because ,in the"kingdom of blind a one eyed will be the king")

  351. Sakat says:

    /This broken down and dirt poor Afghanistan has just held of the whole might of the Allied forces . . with its impressive tech./
    You must salute the humanity of that big power ,don't think it is the bravery of Afghans ,as usual they follow Mohammed and,he is embodiment of treachery .Look at Temurelane and host of Muslim invaders .They killed innocent citizens without any reasons and mercy in millions after conquering their land .Just think the opposite that ,super power would have been a Muslim country and Afghanistan was ruled by infidels .The whole country would have been nuked at this hour by your brethrens.

  352. Sakat says:

    @Agracean
    The "Braindead zombie Emperor " is Mystic Aminthe Ha ha ha!!!!:D

  353. narcole1919721 says:

    Aw mr chuck. Its been 3 months. How many times i got period? if they and you, bring wrong arabic translation, while none of you is arab, and couldnt understand a word in arabic…is it my fault…i know its hard for you, you refuse me to point out wrong arabic translation, cos since the first time you hadnt even known what ur talking about from real source. So if you wanna debate once more, bring it on, and dont runaway by saying you cant accept being answered that ur translation wrong. while you dont even know which is wrong, and which wrong source you take. 

  354. narcole1919721 says:

    An arabic linguist? Who? Bring him, now. directly.

  355. narcole1919721 says:

    Music is model? oh lady gaga. What a model. A kids smile when throwing hard toys? reading comics? observing rain then gets flue? silent moment in bathroom? Awwww…only those? 🙁

  356. narcole1919721 says:

    Hahaha..so you mean you think ur god….hahaha

  357. narcole1919721 says:

    *coughs* cigarrete is from urine.

  358. narcole1919721 says:

    Highest quality, with abuse and lies? Ohhhh

  359. narcole1919721 says:

    How come you dont know? 🙁

  360. narcole1919721 says:

    Hiiii…nice to meet you, madam. how do you do? would you like a cup of tea?

  361. kismet says:

    @narcole1919721 You are a chick indeed that hatched yesterday. An Arabic linguist can point the language errors in Koran…..a scientist can show you scientific facts that makes the Koranic theories null……an astronomer can show you all the guesses of the Koran about the universe, the sun, the stars, are invalid. Search and you will find answers (if you want answers).

  362. Agracean says:

    Hello, zombie narcole1919721. Queen Eluzabeth is a human being whereas you're a braindead zombie. Do you know the difference? Nvm. You're too dumb to understand the difference.

  363. penipudaya says:

    No, I don't. Do you know how Muhammad looked like? 🙁

  364. Phoenix says:

    Interesting that you decry my analogy which fits perfectly with Muhammad's deeds (and those of Islamists) of forcing unbelievers to accept Islam or face the sword.Yet you have failed to show the correlation between smoking a cigarrette and "forcing anyone to believe".Is it your belief that Islam is like a cigarrette…that slowly kills its victim?At least smokers have a choice and can seek proffessional help to quit without any fear of retribution.

  365. knowTheEnemy says:

    I looked at all those pictures and no doubt there are places in India that are extremely filthy. Now since Ali's website is regarding Islam, I do think a little contrast with Islam ought to be included 🙂

    There are dead bodies, filth, corpses, diseases, flies, and a lot more in those pictures, but look carefully, there is one thing that is missing- FEAR. Those Indians do filthy things out of ignorance or whatever, but no one is *afraid* there! They are not afraid of any eternal hell, nor are they afraid that someone will declare them 'apostates' and kill them.

    There are dead bodies but they died natural deaths… they were not hanged on cranes (as happens in Islamic Iran), or bombed, or beheaded, or honour-killed. That is a major difference compared to Islamic societies.

    If you choose to go to those filthy cities in India and open shelters for dogs, pigs, or any other animals if you want….. no one will stop you. You will not need to fear that someone will oppose you or put your life in danger (The one exception for which you have to be extra careful of offending fanatic Hindus is the cow).

    If you choose to start educational programs to wean people off of filthy habits, or to teach them to keep rivers clean, to dump garbage properly, you do not have to fear anyone there. No one will stop you. Even if you point out Hindu customs that are incompatible with cleanliness, people might oppose you but you will not have to fear for your life. People will not call you 'spies', or set murderous dogs on you!

    Tons of filth, but absence of fear– and that my friends, is what sets Hindu societies seperate from Islamic ones! I have heard that Dubai is a very clean and modern place but guess what, I will choose to live in India over Dubai any day!

  366. Akshat says:

    @Marathon,

    Dont worry about the quantity of Muslim's aggressive post all are quality less. After reading one or two post by amin or similar fanatic, Reader can identify the Bunch of lies and extra aggression.

    Let's  keep  on writing truth which is always of highest quality.

  367. cchuckc says:

    @narcole1919721,
    //its been 3 months here, but none succeeded pointing out with ONE error//
    My experience with you is that you are blind when it comes to errors in Quran. I showed you how the concept of Judgement Day is contrary to what a consistently benevolent God ought to ordain. But your strategy is to derail a conversation with meaningless troll and with 2 of your favourite responses: 1. I am having periods so have lost mental balance, 2. You don't know Arabic so you won't understand (not withstanding that >95% people of this world don't speak Arabic and the concept doesn't change from language to language).

  368. Akshat says:

    Good Model …. so you need anyone to follow. Why cant you listen to your own voice and make your own path. Why committed to be a slave. Why so obsessed to brink a broker between you and absolute. 
    Why organized religion. Why books and Why prophets. 

    Every individual alone can reach god. 

    Even if one is following a book or a  prophet then at least don't follow who teaches hate and violence.

    Organized religion is not required at all. Individual spirituality is the only religion which can guide humanity.  For me Music, A Kid's Smile, Reading, Observing rain, Poem's, Silent moments of my being are enough to made me feel the love of existence.  This only is my model.

    Follow what you feel in your heart about god.. why adding attributes from a book by a psychopath.
    Fear , Violence, Hate cant not be attributes of god.

  369. Agracean says:

    Actually, I'm not asking you but aminthemystic this super simple question. Since you choose to avoid answering it, this goes to show that there is something fishy about your allah. Afterall, isn't it true that no braindead zombie ever dare to claim that the allah whom they served is imperfect?

  370. narcole1919721 says:

    Hm? is queen elizabeth wife of king abed? hello? do u know username?  nvm. anything else? *takes wudhu* 

  371. Agracean says:

    " hmm..my username was zombie empress hehe…".Thanks for admitting the fact that you are a braindead zombie and also the fact that you are the zombie emperor's wife.

  372. kismet says:

    It is hard to believe that there are places in this world like that. I think the corpses in the river belong to people who are very poor and had no one to cremete them. The dogs broke my heart.

  373. Test says:

    Are hindus idiots!

  374. Test says:

    Have a better look @ Hindus and decide
    http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-in

  375. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol  i thought a bar chick…its okay, you make mistake and you appologize. 

  376. narcole1919721 says:

    Noooo…i want whats exactly written….from grass…and very softly….

  377. narcole1919721 says:

    Could you know how she looked like? 🙁

  378. kismet says:

    Big breasted ? He didn't promise them cows from Holland.

  379. narcole1919721 says:

    Why asking such easy question…i want harder question…:(

  380. kismet says:

    OH damn it , narcole1919721…..my fingers were on the wrong keys when I typed your name

  381. narcole1919721 says:

    To save zombies? there are no zombies…dont watch movies too much 🙁

  382. kismet says:

    @ barcike1919721

    How about a whip, or a belt, or a slipper……it is your choice.

  383. kismet says:

    How do we know that her age was 9 ? Because this was mentioned in all your books of the Sira.

  384. kismet says:

    Because all the educated Muslims I know don't believe, and of course, this is a proof to me not to you, since you don't know the people I know. There are lots of well- educated Muslims who go to mosques and practice their religion, but they do it for social and political reasons as I mentioned.
    As for the race and religions, when Hilter terminated the Jews, the whole world said he didn't like that race, and he wanted to let only the Aryan race to live…..although there are Aryans among the Jews. So it was said before.

  385. narcole1919721 says:

    Im not susan shes dead. im just a reminder. are you a zombie? 

  386. Agracean says:

    Ms narcole1919721, are you the zombie emperor's wife then?

  387. Agracean says:

    Mr/Ms aminthemystic, please tell me if Muhammad's allah is perfect or imperfect, according to the Quran?

  388. narcole1919721 says:

    I did tell many times…none gave me anything to doubt yet. you cant give even ONE….omg…ONE! please…ONE. if lose, just quit like a man and hold white flag.

  389. Agracean says:

    Mr/Ms aminthemystic, you can rant and rave about your pride and 'cleverness' here, till the day you bite the dust but every Good Samaritans here knew that you are just another stupid braindead zombie, who is heading to hell. My dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, who is an ex-muslim, is here to help you out of this evil cult. He could have mind his own business and enjoy his new life after leaving this stupid cult. But he gave his all, even his life, to save stupid braindead zombies like you. You ought to thank him for his love and kindness here.

  390. narcole1919721 says:

    Yeah…its been 3 months here, but none succeeded pointing out with ONE error. when they were proven wrong they ranaway with new ayat as another try, and so on. dont be like that…be consistent guys. if you accuse one, you should keep trying for that one and face it like a man. not runaway or divert with other ayat….

  391. narcole1919721 says:

    For additional information, the word ankle comes from curve 🙂 its okay, dont think hard. lets learn arabic step by step,

  392. narcole1919721 says:

    Abuse and lies, oh obviously.

  393. narcole1919721 says:

    Im sorry, who are these translators. i have many quran translations even from the ancient ones. i dont take what you take. you dont take what i take. its weird that you praise them as FAMOUS WELL KNOWN translator, and mad if someone says they are idiots (i never said any idiot word, you did ;)) while you curse the messenger of god's words. i think ur greatest mistake in learning is by learning from indirect source 🙂 

  394. aminthemystic says:

    "The disclaimer you are referring to also applies to your QURAN, which is a book full of errors and stupidities.
    "

    Why don't you have a go and prove one single absurdity or error?

    – – –

    With your vulgar language? Who are you trying to convince?

    If you are that clever – what is there need for such crudity?

    – –

    All you have read is a few propaganda sites . . . I doubt you know know anything outside of that about Islam.

    – –

    Why do you people think being vulgar and crude will earn your statements merit? Is that meant to be sing of rationality and learning?

    – –

    Interesting the questions you choose to ignore . . . telling

    – –

  395. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol theres no word big there. big is kabr. you see kabr word? quran talks very decently. theres even no armpit word. check thaha 20:22. its just the translator who interpreted as they like like your side as armpit.  so why these translators translate differently? if i say rubber band, what does it mean to you?

  396. Marathon15 says:

    The names of the translators are GIVEN: Yusuf Ali, Pickthall, Shakir. Did you not read your own Quranic verses? And you are Mr/Ms "Narcole XYZ" on the internet, some RANDON ANONYMOUS internet user saying these FAMOUS well-known translators are idiots and dont know what they're talking about. You're making yourself look as stupid as the first person who believed Lying Pedophile Muhammad (evil be upon him) when he said he had gotten a revelation from God.
    The disclaimer you are referring to also applies to your QURAN, which is a book full of errors and stupidities.

    If someone has big ankles, does that make them voluptuous? Why dont you answer this question, MUSLIM?

  397. narcole1919721 says:

    Here what i found on some translation web

    NOTE: The resources on this page may
    contain errors, mistakes and
    discrepancies so please download for
    reference purposes only. Please read the
    disclaimer.

  398. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol my prophet is none of those :p lolol u never knew arabic and the prophet, you only know internet and random translators 

  399. Marathon15 says:

    So Kawaib means ankle and all the translators are idiots and you know everything? Why would your pedophilic prophet promise you virgins with big, swollen "Ankles"? Are you going to ride the virgin like a horse? Perhaps under that big tree which takes 40 years to cross on horseback.
    ———-
    Sahih International
    And full-breasted [companions] of equal age
    Pickthall
    And voluptuous women of equal age;
    Yusuf Ali
    And voluptuous women of equal age;
    Shakir
    And voluptuous women of equal age;
    Dr. Ghali
    And youthful virgins, like of age,
    _________

  400. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol ocpd

  401. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol big breasted? Wanna debate arabic? kawa2ib is plural form of ka3ab. Ka3ab means ankle. 🙂

  402. narcole1919721 says:

    Look? when? what date? what year?

  403. narcole1919721 says:

    *coughs* please dont show me a cow or cartoon video.

  404. narcole1919721 says:

    Ohhh you think so??….okay….but who is perfect in your eyes now? Tell me..as good model…tell me…i soooooo wanna know….show him……

  405. narcole1919721 says:

    Hmm…so if you say Muhammad is Allah, Allah is Muhammad, Allah is Satan. you're not consistent! please be consistent in saying fact…:( or people wont believe you..,i dont believe trinity…only shallow people who think one is 3…one is one. sir you need to rest….im worried…

  406. narcole1919721 says:

    Okay, i heard humanity word many times already. and that word sounds good. cos theres human word there, since we are humans and only humans that can read word human here. But please tell me, what is human and what is humanity? are they related or same? I want to match the theory with reality.

  407. narcole1919721 says:

    Follow who? Muhammad? From where? let me tabayyun. what do they follow? oh you can assure Muhammad is burning in hell now? how? you went to visit him? you got hell ticket?

  408. narcole1919721 says:

    Good muslim? wait…you mean, something good is bad? good means bad? white means black? tall means short? 'O' omg ur confused in english

  409. aminthemystic says:

    So how many Hindus have won it? Chinese? Indians? Black People? Women? . . . Realize the stupidity of that answer?

    – –

    "You and your stinking Islam is only produces perverts and barbarians. "

    This is clearly bigotry and it reflect your sick mindset. Clearly you are one disturbed and brainwashed individual.

    – –

    "I look at the islamic world and I see fascism, misogyny and repression."

    What do you see when you look at your own society? Whichever society that is . . .

  410. aminthemystic says:

    There we have it . . . you people are NOT capable of rational discussion – without abuse and lies. I have repeatedly exposed that.

    As you are incapable of answering – hence that worthless remark. . . which simply highlights that you cannot answer.

  411. aminthemystic says:

    "Salman Rushdie criticised Muhammed and he received death threats."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krRI4GT_QVs
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/990

    Also . . . try criticizing Justin Bieber on Twitter. . .

    – –

    "Criticise Jesus and there won't be no Methodists trying to blow you up."

    So why did Bush want to blow up Al Jazeeera?

    And:
    http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/01

    – –

  412. narcole1919721 says:

    Second, im laughing at people who believe from seeing. especially from multimedia. lol

  413. narcole1919721 says:

    First, im suspicious about one thing. when someone says, im an ex moslem. my instinct says its a lie, to give impression that he/she is an ex for some reason. then, people will focus on the reason, and of course without tabayyun. and people may forget to tabayyun whether he/she is really an ex. how can he/she prove that (s)he was a moslem? Just by quoting random translation from internet? hmm…

  414. narcole1919721 says:

    Yeah…and more decent 🙁 the only decent infidel here was demsci, eventhough with backstabbing method. wait, i think thats not decent either. Anyway, is there any real priest here?o.O

  415. R W says:

    I look at the islamic world and I see fascism, misogyny and repression. There have been 190 Jews who have won nobel prizes. The whole islamic world has produced 10 nobel prize winners. You and your stinking Islam is only produces perverts and barbarians.

  416. narcole1919721 says:

    Yeah..where..he didnt take arabic debate yet 🙁

  417. aminthemystic says:

    "By the way your grammer is appalling!"

    Pot calling the kettle black? Compare:

    "By the way, your grammar is appalling!"

  418. narcole1919721 says:

    Alien, moon, ferry moo moo..monkey…pigs. lol is that how you convice people? no other way? 

  419. narcole1919721 says:

    Oh what is a braindead zombie? hmm..my username was zombie empress hehe…cos my rival was zombie emperor. hes a christian gay who has daughter with my age. his wife susan commited suicide after knowing hes gay. and he slept with teen boys. and all people supported him. even his daughter. tell me ur view about him 🙂 and whos to be blamed

  420. R W says:

    By the way your grammer is appalling!

  421. R W says:

    Bullshit my psycho friend. Salman Rushdie criticised Muhammed and he received death threats. Criticise Jesus and there won't be no Methodists trying to blow you up. Keep cool and stay off the crystal meth:)

  422. Marathon15 says:

    Muslim, it is SIMPLY about disobedience. Don't inject your excuses into it. Are you trying to earn points for the big breasted virgins Allah promised you in 78:33?

  423. narcole1919721 says:

    Muslim countries….does it mean people in the countries follow prophet and gods orders? lets check 🙂 is it correct to call them as moslem countries from their statistic data or id card? how about we make statistic about obedience? 😉 actually prophet said that most moslems descendants in future would follow jews and christians actions. even if the infidels go to lizards hole, they would follow too. so whats been happening is actually not bcos of them following prophets teaching. their id cards are written as moslems, bcos they are from moslem descendants. but their actions are just like you, infidels. so, you should critisize infidels, so that become good models, not victoria secret models 🙂

  424. aminthemystic says:

    Another observation – Sina has stopped posting up any more articles exposing Islam as such. These recent articles are all of similar type – as they give him opportunity for meaningless ranting. But as these are blown wide open . . . it is of little wonder.

    Another reason is . . . he lack the ability and the knowledge. I have already pointed out the lack of mention of any Academic scholarship . . .

    After all – these are 1. Plentiful 2. And they are of the highest Academic Standard – so there isn't any better scholarship than these people – who devote their lifetime researching Islam.

    So such a huge amount of Western Academic scholarship . . . and criticism . . . .and Sina has not hardly read a book?

    Why?

    – – –

    Look at his poor, pitiful, ponderous book. Anyone read it? Wants to discuss it?
    http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/

    It seems he researched it all through the web . . .and did not bother to research his material and verify it.

    No wonder it is such an epic failure . . .

    – –

    So – what exactly is he exposing? And what exactly is he scholar of?

  425. aminthemystic says:

    A quick observation . . . before . . . Sina's alleged e-mailers used to participate in these comments. One girl's story, in particular, exposed likely to be untrue . . . it seems rare now that such people are merging to interact here.

  426. narcole1919721 says:

    Maybe your intention is to critisize islamic world which gone astrayed since not following real original teaching. if the critics are constructive, its okay 😉

  427. aminthemystic says:

    There is nothing "pedophilic " about him.

    Verse 4:34 isn't about "disobedience" as such:

    "Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

    But about adultery – or extra martial affair – not necessarily sexual.

  428. aminthemystic says:

    "Why dont you, the Muslim tell us what is mystic about a 54 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl?"

    Nothing. Who said there was anything mystical about it?

    But we will have the discussion . . . why don't you answer . . . how is it that you do know her age was 9?

    Answer concisely by sticking to the point . . . if you cannot give up the urge to insult me – do that separately!

    – –

    "Or cutting off a thief's hands as Quran says in 5:38? What is mystic about these things? "

    The logic behind cutting a thieves hands is to to stop such crime.

  429. narcole1919721 says:

    *nods* nods* very obvious good point.

  430. narcole1919721 says:

    Beat with what and how? please explain to me, then ill match with my source, tabayyun 🙂

  431. aminthemystic says:

    This is why – you are not able to argue a point . . .

    1. You do not know how to.
    2. You lack the ability.

    Something is put to you . . . rather than answering that . . . you post up up what you believe are your very own killer questions.

  432. Marathon15 says:

    You're happy that your pedophilic prophet asks your husband to beat you for disobedience in Quran 4:34.

  433. aminthemystic says:

    "There is a very small percentage among the well-educated who have faith"

    Your claim. Prove it?

    – –

    " A religion is something, and a race is something else….I don't understand why they call anyone who criticise a certain religion a racist"

    No one is . . . it is meaningless BS. Why don't you read the above article? It is Sina ranting. . . meaningless and worthless rants.

    – –

  434. aminthemystic says:

    It isn't. As there are thousands . . . it is more HOW you criticize Islam. Here is a video for a brethern of yours – he too is white and Atheist.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ef46hcsDo

  435. aminthemystic says:

    Which is far less than any other nation . . . else name them . . .

    – –

    Afghanistan? Who faced the might of the Allied? And has virtually won?

    USA was going to wipe them out . . . and is now in the process of negotiating with these evil scum . . . same USA who declared so proudly that it does not do so?

    – –

    This time THINK! before reply.

  436. aminthemystic says:

    As you people cannot counter-argue . . . all you can do is post such nonsense.

  437. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . Where is Sina now?

    Where?

    Where?

    Where?

    Where?

    Ha ha ha . . . come and read such worthless comments.

  438. aminthemystic says:

    Posting such worthless comments? Nah . . . why do you think trying o be funny with this spiel is going to move anyone?

    "All earthlings have eyes to see all those nonsense happening in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan except you."

    And what nonsense is that? Internal strife of the Europeans, for example, has been far far worse. . . the amount of killing . . .

    So who are you going to post up as a model example? What society?

    Where are these brains then?

    – –

    This broken down and dirt poor Afghanistan has just held of the whole might of the Allied forces . . with its impressive tech.

    = = =

    "Or is it true that you are the donkey that ferry Moo Moo to his paradise and then, got lost in the milky way?"

    Look at your nonsensical comment . . . so which brains produces this?

    You people think that – merit is NOT in the argument but using such vulgar language. . .

    That is fallacious logic.

    Why not learn how form an argument? Were you not schooled as child? How to write an essay? Using persuasive language . . . to form an argument?

    – –

    "Please read all the awesome articles which my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina has posted here and you will know the truth about the religion of monkey and pigs. "

    I have. And I have ripped them apart. . . . Sina and his band of supporters cannot answer.

    – –

    You have trouble at the first door . . .what are you going to do? Other than fling insults?

  439. aminthemystic says:

    Wrong . . . the above is NOT a comparison of Prophet Muhammad to anyone. Read again and comprehend.

    In short – the comment points out . . . .Muslims are more peaceful than the Europeans . . . this is why Sina is so scared of a discussion . . .he has repeatedly come off worse.

    Hence – look it is GLARING. . . .as to what he replied to.

  440. aminthemystic says:

    Denial – try making a point and THEN attach a video to back something up. Else . . .why bother?

  441. aminthemystic says:

    Your comment is nonsense. . . as there is no one hold no guns and forcing anyone to believe.

    The analogy does not work.

    Everyone know smoking kills . . . here unlike this invisible hell is a provable fact . . . yet many smoke.

    – –

    Such "threats" ONLY work when you already are a convert. . . . else they do not.

    – –

    Think your response through ONLY then answer. . . else do not waste time.

  442. aminthemystic says:

    Your name is NOT Alloha – you are one person changing names and posting. You can tell by:

    " @Amin the brainwashed, "

    There is only one person childish enough to consider petty name calling.

    – –

    If you were intelligent and had a point worth making . . . you would not wrap it in abuse?

    – –

    It is like having a sweet cake and wrapping it in excrement.

  443. aminthemystic says:

    These are nothing but rants . . .worthless rants.

    "Why is it so hard for your to use your brain to see what Muhammad did was criminal? "

    And what was it he did?

  444. aminthemystic says:

    Sina only come out to make such worthless comments. This is the same person . . . who thought rationality was only for atheists.

    Now he has adopted God.

    Tomorrow – he might even be a Muslim

  445. aminthemystic says:

    In other words – you are a bigot. That is all what your comment amounts to. You do not have an argument and could not muster one to counter anything.

    You language usage is there to cause max offense . . . trollish . . .and somewhat vulgar.

    – –

    Why do people think such worthless comments will be impressive if they do not make a point but their they use "SHOCKING!" language?

  446. Yasmina says:

    I'm a Muslimah and i'm very proud and happy.

  447. Marathon15 says:

    The Muslim Amin has vandalized the starting page of the comments section here by boasting about his pedophilic religion in multiple posts. Request to Ali Sina to now allow Muslims to hijack his own blog and remove all of his posts except one.

  448. Ali Sina says:

    Dear Slave,

    The Quran is not from any god. It is all the words of Muhammad. So if the Quran says Muhammad is the best of creation, it is he who makes such bogus claim about himself. His actions show he was a despicable thug, a truly evil monster. Why is it so hard for your to use your brain to see what Muhammad did was criminal?

    Allah was Muhammad's own alter ego. It is like you creating another user name in this forum to support you and praise you. But it is still you.

    Assuming Allah was not Muhammad's alter ego, he must be Satan, because only Satan can be as evil as Allah.

  449. Agracean says:

    Mr/Ms aminthemystic, are you an alien from the moon or other planets? All earthlings have eyes to see all those nonsense happening in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan except you. Or is it true that you are the donkey that ferry Moo Moo to his paradise and then, got lost in the milky way? Please read all the awesome articles which my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina has posted here and you will know the truth about the religion of monkey and pigs.

  450. Agracean says:

    Mr/Ms aminthemystic, it's very sad to know that Muhammad has turned you into a braindead zombie since young and that all these years, you can't wait to bite the dust. Kindly humble yourself and thank my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina with a grateful heart for this awesome website which has transformed many braindead zombies like you into human beings again. If you are lost and don't know how to go about it, please write to my dear hero, Ms Dr Ali Sina and he will most certainly be glad to help you. Cheers.

  451. R W says:

    I am actually a white atheist. Do you not agree it is difficult to criticise islam without fear for your life or career?
    I have an identity, it's just I would like my head to remain on top of my shoulders.

  452. @Jamalaya says:

    Spot on slaveofprophet. Now any rational civilized peaceful human being who believes in humanity and its advancement towards enlightenment will reject, killing other human beings except in self defence, lusting after 9 years old, stealing, waging wars, participating in slaughters of children, unarmed men and women, assassination, force conversion, dhimmi and mafia style protection, rock worshipping etc etc and so upon reading the three books of Islam you have no choice but to conclude it is an evil cult.
    Now any reasonably educated person can see this in writing but not Muslims. they are so dumb it beggars belief. But are they really dumb? in most cases yes, in other cases Islam is used to gain power over the muslim population and non muslims. For it is justified in the Quran and sunnat al rasoul, if they disagree with you then wage war and terror until they submit. I am not a scholar but they are all there in your books.

  453. @Jamalaya says:

    the problem with your argument is that you compare Islam and Mohammed to other inferior person, religion, dogma, cult etc… Islam teaches that Mohammed is the perfect human, and the Quran is the absolute words of Allah. How dare you compare them to the inferiors? If you want to argue, use only the materials you follow and you believe in.

  454. slaveofprophet says:

    @Ali Sina
    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) himself claimed he was best creation of Allah. Quran several times says "to obey of prophet & Allah". Why Allah said in Quran to obey Muhammad commands? Because he was best creation of Allah. And best creation should be followed by all humans as wished by Allah.
    Chemistry of Almighty Allah and prophet like lock and key, Garden and Gardner, Husband and wife, Owner and Servant, Slave and owner, creator and creation. If Allah is  God prophet Muhammad is messenger of Allah.

  455. Akshat says:

    Ali suggested to speak against Islam to make people aware of it. If one attack Islam as a faith then we attract unnecessary oppose,  risk to your life (from fanatics) because current state of society, Media and Politics are against saying anything against religion and Islam in particular. It can be dangerous. I am sharing below a practical approach which I found very effective.

    These days I am seeing a trend of awareness against Islam mostly on social Media. People are sharing against Islam's fruits.  Though they are not attacking the Islam as a faith.  

    Attacking Islam based on its fruits is not tough at all and practical as well, you have not to do hard work to find the poisonous fruits of Islam.  Suicide bomb attacks,  Terror strikes, Riots, Nonsense Fatwa (against women) and even non sense law making (Iran parliament last week legislation).  Such things are happening on regular basis all places where Muslim exist and happening in same proportion as Muslim's population that particular place.

    Sharing Such fruits increases awareness in public domain about  Evilness of Islam.  It is our duty to play our part and share. each link connected with other will become a grand human chain in the end.

    Once we champion the 1st cause then Obvious 2nd question will emerge itself.  Question will be
     "What is wrong in this religion"?  That is what we want.

  456. Godwin says:

    Amin, "Look at Muslims countries for confirmation."

    Yes, look at the chaos, the mayhem and killing fields in the Muslim countries like Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Are u still living in the MADrassa well ?

  457. Alloha says:

    Very true, indeed. 

  458. Alloha says:

    @Amin the brainwashed,
    In Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood leader, Mohd Mursi, had tried to push for an Islamic state. What happened to him now ? Egypt is the world most populous Muslim nation  and has became a sick nation of Africa. 

  459. Alloha says:

    Amin,      watch n see for yourself
    Here is another one about a Muslim Woman who told the truth about Islam at :&nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz9eCR-DrJ4

  460. Test says:

    This "Dear Sir" guy is none other than Hindu, people with no identity.

  461. Alloha says:

    Amin,      watch n see for yourself
    The inconvenient truth about Islam by an ex-Mulim woman in you tube at :&nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw.

  462. Phoenix says:

    @amin
    Yes. As someone has to choose to cede to such authority. Else it does not work. Look back to your comments regarding belief in God and Rationality . . . WHILST you were an Atheist."

    It's no choice if the only other alternative is eternal hell.Say if a robber holds a gun to your head and says "gimme your money or your life".Now is that really freedom to choose or is it a vicious threat posing a rhetorical question?

  463. reen says:

    Perfect words<img src="http://tinyurl.com/c7l9ck6&quot; width="1">

  464. kismet says:

    Muslims have variety of reasons to have faith in their religion, and these reasons differ according to their level of knowledge and education. The ignorants among them believe either because they are afraid of hell or they want to go to heaven. Some practice this religion because they think it gives them peace of mind. There is a very small percentage among the well-educated who have faith….the majority of them pretend to have faith for social or political reasons. A religion is something, and a race is something else….I don't understand why they call anyone who criticise a certain religion a racist, because we all know that every religion contains people from all the races. In England, we rarely find people criticize Hinduism or Budhism….the focus is only on Islam.

    There are many Arab-athiests who criticize Islam in their own countries, they call them "Koffar" not racists. Perhaps you have the right to criticize your own religion.

  465. Ali Sina says:

    Dear Slave,
    All the terrorism is perpetrated by that tiny fraction of Muslims who follow Muhammad. Also I can assure you that the practicing Muslims will be in hell where Muhammad is burning now.

  466. slaveofprophet says:

    World 99.9% people are non-Muslim. That why in the world so much violence, hate, cruelty. Although it is claimed Muslim are around 20% of the world populations. But in these 20% 19.9% are Muslim just by name they are not following Islam. I get worried when In think world 99.9 % people will be in hellfire where they would be get punished by Almighty Allah for not following Islam truthfully. Prophet (PBUH) also claimed among 73 sect of Islam only 1 sect will be in heaven. 

  467. aminthemystic says:

    Another ranter? Islam is NOT what Sina says it is . . .

    "Look at Muslims countries for confirmation."

    What does that even mean?

    – –

    Posting such nonsense does not answer anything. Your comment is worthless.

  468. Worldpeace says:

    Aminthemystic, you are definitely not using your brain. Islam is all what Ali Sina said it is. Look at Muslims countries for confirmation. You really sound mystic but that's all. Muslims are lost and as humanist, that is my contant source of despair.

  469. aminthemystic says:

    "You are merely projecting. I always encourage people to employ their brain. "

    Then why have you not been able to answer?

    Why?
    http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/

  470. aminthemystic says:

    " Do Muslims employ their brain?"

    Why don't you look above and notice the failure of any comments forthcoming?

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    "Once something is decided by Allah and his messenger (which is the same person) do Muslims have a say and can they think differently?"

    Yes. As someone has to choose to cede to such authority. Else it does not work. Look back to your comments regarding belief in God and Rationality . . . WHILST you were an Atheist.

    Then come back with a reply.

    – –

    "You are merely projecting. I always encourage people to employ their brain. "

    So why did you fail in the above? I drew this out of you . . . "me". And the comment is worthless and contradicts the above.

    – –

    Why don't you let matters settle in your brain – figure out who you are . . .might turn out you are a Muslim after all! Stranger things have happened at sea.

  471. Ali Sina says:

    "a good student of Sina is one who actually does not employ his brain . . . but toes the part line . . . and pedals the BS – DESPITE being proven wrong . "

    But that is the definition of a good Muslim. Do Muslims employ their brain? Once something is decided by Allah and his messenger (which is the same person) do Muslims have a say and can they think differently? So you see? You are merely projecting. I always encourage people to employ their brain.

  472. aminthemystic says:

    "We won’t win this war with cowardice. Islamic fascism thrives through their victims’ cowardice. So what if they call you racist or fascist? Call them back with the same names and carry on attacking Islam. Don’t let them bully you into silence."

    Here we have it . . . a good student of Sina is one who actually does not employ his brain . . . but toes the part line . . . and pedals the BS – DESPITE being proven wrong . . .

    Look! THAT is what he is saying.

  473. aminthemystic says:

    "You ask when the political elite will wake up. They will wake up when the public wakes up. "

    Here is something worth laughing at . . . when Obama won his second term [and the first] . . . Sina called it mobcracy and not democracy.

    Enough said.

  474. aminthemystic says:

    "Everyone with commonsense can see it is a religion of terror, but no one dares to say it for the fear of being attacked as racist and fascist."

    Yeah . . .simple problem with isn't it . . .who do you point out that isn't a terrorist? Which religion or group of people?

    Take the Europeans and the Brits?

    So how many did die in World War 1 and World War 2? If it is such a peace haven? Then why so many deaths?

    – –

    Whose record is clean? The British? Take the big war hero . . . Sir Winston Churchill . . .

    He was a Eugenicist – just like Hitler. He believed the lower classes should be made sterile and a new race of Briton should be created. He thought about htis seriously and attempted to raise the issue in parliament.

    He was a racist. He hated many non-White races. . . his views on the Indians?

    He was responsible for mass deaths . . . over 3 million in Bengal, India. He was begged by his Parliament to send aid. . . yet he deliberately withheld it . . .leading to the deaths.

    – – –

    Or how recent era of Blair – otherwise a brilliant PM – except for the Iraq war issues and the lies . . . "God" was the motivation for such lies. Both Blair and Bush admitted it . . .

    Non-existent army of Iraq and the methods of "shock and awe" . . . who was it all for – if not to kill civilian?

    [[
    Sina has already stated that he does not see ANY innocent Muslim. We are all guilty – for simply being Muslim.
    ]]

    By the way – this is the same West . . .who is now "negotiating" with the Taliban . . .and openly admit that they can not beat the Taliban off.

    And there was going to be no negotiating with such SCUM as the Taliban? What happened to that, one wonders . . .

  475. aminthemystic says:

    "Islam is also fascism. It is Islam that does not believe in democracy, equality, and the brotherhood of all the people. It is Islam that promotes religious supremacy. It is Islam that is misogynist. And it is Islam that plots to dominate the world with a single world government. These are fascistic ideas."

    So far Sina has FAILED to prove single of them . . .this is just claims and mere statements. . . let him have the argument.

    He ain't up to it . . .

  476. aminthemystic says:

    "Criticism of a religion is not racism. The greatest thinkers like Voltaire, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine and countless other bright minds were strong critics of religion. Why no one calls them racist? Why it is smart to criticize Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and all other faiths, but it is racist to criticize Islam?"

    Because the likes of EDL are racist! And as for scholars – they do not get such labels. . . even Richard Dawkins.

  477. aminthemystic says:

    "The solution is simple. Get out of the closet and announce publicly that Islam is incompatible with British values of freedom and democracy and that it has no place in your country."

    Tommy Robinson – the leader of EDL left the party . . . why because its members were nothign more than thugs.

    A collection of Football [Soccer] hooligans.

    – –

    Sina himself is derided EVEN by most of the AMERICAN RIGHT – hence why he is shifting away from them. Likes of Pipes like to maintain themselves as legitimate scholars.

    His brethren – Spencer and Geller are banned from England – IF – they attend extremist rallies. As they incite violence . . .

    – –

    So if you do start with this nonsense . . . there will be people like me pointing out that such RABID bigotry is NOT a British value . . .and how "I" am a better upholder of British Values . . .than you.

  478. aminthemystic says:

    "They won’t even consider reading a book or an article written against him that may open their eyes."

    West has devoted considerable amount towards studying Islam – there is a whole body of interesting scholarship . . . Muslims have read and when needed answered.

    One thing . . . Wests study and scholarship is a mess – because it cancels itself out. If Noldeke alleged something then Wansborough came and cancelled him out.

    If Goldziher said something about Hadith then Horovitz [plus more like Said and the more recent Hallaq] came and cancelled him out. . .

    Western scholarship about Islam is NOT for Muslims – really it is for West's own consumption.

    And here we are not talking about less critical scholars like Schimmel or Armstrong and of that ilk.

    There was campaign underway to get Western Scholars to establish a more unified response to the Quran and Islam . . . I have not heard of it since.

    – –

    The problem is – and I have mentioned this before . . .Sina himself has NOT studied Islam at this level . . . . or even came close – a degree or two below like Daniel Pipes.

    Evidence? I have asked him . . . no reply. Look at his work . . . the level of it? His book is composed of gleaming UNVERIFIED bits from the net. This is why it is so shoddy and mistake ridden.

    – –

    His above claim is even more ridiculous – that as there is no level of scholarship beyond this level . . . EVEN that Muslims have answered and form answers . . . If Sina has not read West . . . how is he going to get to the answers?

    – –

    As for less academic to downright amateurs. . . we have read your sites and have answered.

    Go to sites like WikiIslam – Muslim answers . . . answering-chrisitanty Muslim responses.

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    So what is Sina talking about . . . .

  479. aminthemystic says:

    "They won’t even consider reading a book or an article written against him that may open their eyes."

    Ha ha ha . . . I am here and waiting sonny . . I am here and waiting . . .why don't we discuss your book? Despite such OTT claims . . . that no one reads it? Well I have . . . right here Sina. Right here . . .

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