Accepting Jesus? What about the Bible?

Fifi is a young lady born to a Muslim family who has left Islam. In our email exchanges I told her that I have accepted Jesus. She ask me about it and I’d like to publish my reply to her here.

Dear Ali,

As I’ve told you before, I believe in Jesus now. But your sentence “I accepted Jesus a year ago” keep bothering my mind. The word “accept” sounds very strong. Do you mind to share your experiences about this? Or maybe sharing articles that you ever written about your experience.

I wonder, because I feel like there’s still something missing in my faith about Him right now. I don’t mean that I’m not totally believing, but I just feel that I have to reach Him closer and  have no idea what’s missing in me.

 

Dear Fifi,

I am a seeker. The more I learn the more I discover my ignorance.  So I am never satisfied with what I learn as the answer to one question leads to multiple new questions. The result is that the more I learn the more I come to see how much I don’t know.

In my search I came to learn some spiritual truths, mostly through quantum physics, such as the reality being the result of thought. Quantum physics tells us that the reality we see out there comes only to exist because of a conscious mind observing it. Without consciousness particles are just wave. It is the conscious mind of an observer that gives this wave form and transforms it into particle. Without particles the universe cannot exist. So the universe is the product of thought. Thoughts are the foundation of the world.

Now it took centuries of research and countless souls to come to this realization. After learning this I realized that Jesus was already aware of it. Here is one example. In Matthew 5:27 Jesus says, “You have heard that it was said, ‘you shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Now this sound quite simple and even counterintuitive. How can just thinking of a sin be the same as doing it? Certainly no one is considered guilty for just thinking of committing a crime. Would God punish someone for thinking of a sin, even if he never commits it?

As long as one is unaware of the laws governing the world, one can say what Jesus said makes no sense. But once you become familiar with quantum physics you realize he knew something that we did not know until very recently. Thoughts create reality. If you think of something long enough, eventually that thing will manifest itself. It is like sowing a seed. You see nothing but the seed remains buried until it germinates and a tree grows from it.

So if you have thoughts of adultery, you are sowing the seed of adultery in your mind (heart). If you have saintly thoughts, thoughts of service, of kindness, of success, of happiness, of health, or of wealth, and keep those thoughts until they become part of your subconscious mind, they will eventually manifest themselves in the physical realm. If we hold any thought, long enough to enter our sub-conscious, it will become a reality.

That is the secret of thought. Thoughts are seeds of reality. Now, Jesus knew that, something most people even today don’t know. That is just one example.

Another example that tells me Jesus was not just an ordinary smart man is when the Pharisees brought a prostitute to him asking him what he suggests they should do to her. It is not that they actually wanted his opinion. They just wanted him to say something so they can humiliate him. The law of adultery in the Old Testament is death by stoning. Jews however were smart enough to not practice this barbaric law. They said among themselves, let us go to Jesus and see what he says. If he says follow the law, we will then denounce him for his inhumanity and if he says let her go, we will then tell everyone he is going against the law. With that in mind and certain of their success in humiliating Jesus they came to him, but what Jesus said changed everything. With just a few words he saved that woman and humiliated her accusers. He said, let the person who has not committed sin throw the first stone. The mob felt ashamed and left one by one leaving Jesus and the prostitute standing there alone. He asked, is there no one left to accuse you? “No one!” said the woman. “I too won’t accuse you. Go and sin no more!” said Jesus to her.

Some people say that prostitute was Mary Magdalene, who was so transformed that became a saint. The bible does not give the identity of that prostitute but that story is enough to see Jesus was not an ordinary man. There are many other cases that make me realize, Jesus possessed some spiritual insight that most people don’t have. Based on these and also the stories of the near death experiencers, , including Muslims, who say they met Jesus in the other world I now accept Jesus.

However, there is an important caveat that I must make. I do not consider the Bible as the word of God. That book contains so much contradictions and asininities that can very well mislead people instead of guiding them. Let me give you one example among many. It is Genesis chapter 20.

 

 Abraham $ Sara

Abraham and Abimelek

20 Now Abraham moved on from there into the region of the Negev and lived between Kadesh and Shur. For a while he stayed in Gerar, and there Abraham said of his wife Sarah, “She is my sister.” Then Abimelek king of Gerar sent for Sarah and took her.

But God came to Abimelek in a dream one night and said to him, “You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman.”

Now Abimelek had not gone near her, so he said, “Lord, will you destroy an innocent nation? Did he not say to me, ‘She is my sister,’ and didn’t she also say, ‘He is my brother’? I have done this with a clear conscience and clean hands.”

Then God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her. Now return the man’s wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all who belong to you will die.”

Early the next morning Abimelek summoned all his officials, and when he told them all that had happened, they were very much afraid. Then Abimelek called Abraham in and said, “What have you done to us? How have I wronged you that you have brought such great guilt upon me and my kingdom? You have done things to me that should never be done.” 10 And Abimelek asked Abraham, “What was your reason for doing this?”

11 Abraham replied, “I said to myself, ‘There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’ 12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife. 13 And when God had me wander from my father’s household, I said to her, ‘This is how you can show your love to me: Everywhere we go, say of me, “He is my brother.”’”

14 Then Abimelek brought sheep and cattle and male and female slaves and gave them to Abraham, and he returned Sarah his wife to him. 15 And Abimelek said, “My land is before you; live wherever you like.”

16 To Sarah he said, “I am giving your brother a thousand shekels of silver. This is to cover the offense against you before all who are with you; you are completely vindicated.”

17 Then Abraham prayed to God, and God healed Abimelek, his wife and his female slaves so they could have children again, 18 for the Lord had kept all the women in Abimelek’s household from conceiving because of Abraham’s wife Sarah.

This is the story of a man called prophet of God, much loved and respected by all three desert religions. He married his half-sister. In this day and age we call that incest. He then lied to Abimelek telling him Sara is his sister just to save his life. It does not matter if his wife commits adultery, as long as his life is not put in any peril. So Abimelek who had no idea, that Sara was a married woman marries her. Then God threatens to destroy his innocent nation if he touches her.  Wow! Isn’t that a bit heavy-handed? An entire nation should perish because of that? And what was Abimelek’s sin? He was lied to and deceived by Abraham this incestuous holy prophet of God. Even then we see the moral superiority of Abimelek to Abraham and his god who instead of punishing him gave him generous gifts and let him and his wife go.

Another story of incest, of God and his prophet’s ruthlessness, injustice and stupidity, is the chapter preceding the one above. There we read that two angels of God came to visit the Prophet Lot, an uncle of Abraham, But the homosexual people of Sodom wanted to have sex with them. Lot hides them in his house and then goes out offering his virgin daughters to the men instead. But these men were gay and wanted to have sex with the angels. So the angels help lot and his relatives escape and then God sends meteorites to the town killing everyone. Lot’s wife looks back to see what is happening and God turns her into salt. Then the daughters of Lot ply their father with wine and take turn to have sex with him, each bearing a son who became the progenitor of a nation.

The Bible is full of filth like this.  It is not the word of God. Saying that it is will only turn people away from God. So be careful when you read the Bible. That book is a book of fables written by ancient people. Moses probably never existed. The five books attributed to him tell us also about his death and the fact that his tomb is lost. How can Moses have said suh thing about himself? It is clear that the Pentateuch was written centuries after Moses, if such a person existed at all.

Even the New Testament is written decades after the death of Jesus. Much of the stories attribute to Jesus are taken from previous pagan stories.

Think of the Bible as a gold mine. It means much of it is plain dirt.   I did not discover Jesus through the Bible. In fact this book will lead any rational person to atheism. I don’t say you shouldn’t read it. There is truth and beauty in it, but be careful for most of it is garbage.  A rich gold mine may have only a few grams of gold in a ton of ore. The same is true in the Bible. And I am not going to even talk about the stupidity of the tale of creation and how unscientific and ridiculous it is. That is the reason I do not call myself a Christian. I love Jesus. Despite being shrouded in so much nonsense, he still shines, like a gold nugget buried in dirt. Just as you need to have an expert eye to recognize gold in a rock, you need to have spiritual eyes to find the real Jesus in the Bible. I found Jesus despite the Bible and not because of it.

For further studies on the absurdity of the Bible I encourage you to read this site www.truthbeknown.com

Acharya S. is a prolific scholar of comparative religions and her research is invaluable for any student of religions. Specially watch this video based on her research. .

 

Truth of the spiritual world transcends reason, but never contradicts it.  If anyone tries to sell you an idea that you find irrational, reject it for it is not from God.

 

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311 Responses

  1. verynice says:

    @Sakak i got the picture that you are trying to psychologically undermine Ali Sina personality. I still believe Ali Sina is a Legendary.. even if i may not agree with him to some contexts. There’s no need to threat DR. Ali Sina personality just because his thoughts doesn’t not match with yours. You better stop pressing a little bit harder and trying to wear his shoes to understand his framework of thought.
    Intimidating Dr. Ali Sina thoughts may led you fool your self.
    What you are doing is intimidating Dr.Ali Sina in order for him to agree with you.
    You may be a Fans of Dr. Ali Sina but sometimes you have to agree in disagree and still remain a number one Dr. Ali Sina follower.
    We are here trying to seek for the truth. Do not jeopardize that principle.
    Do not attach Dr. Ali sina personality, i advice you to attach his framework of thought with yours.
    we are here to evaluate both contexts fairly.

  2. Sakat says:

    @Dr Sina
    I doubt whether you are that legendary Dr Sina !!1, whom I used to adore all these years .First of all you said/propagated ‘atheism’ as your principal doctrine on the premise of your site to push your thoughts on the net –savvy innocents .But when you found lots of scholars (especially from the illiterate and primitive minds of Islam world) fell flat before your sound logic and rational thinking ,as well the increase in the number of curious infidel tourist often visiting your site ,you felt you can reign them as well (especially the followers of Sanatan Dharama ,Buddhist and Jains ) ,No ‘ you are at fault Mr. Sina .Let me assure you that our, faith/belief is based on practical experience .I am sorry that you have not come across the real taste of eastern philosophy. You have been raised in the Semitic religion and is conditioned to believe there is no,’Afterlife concept’. However when you became aware about the NDE experiment ,the hope of rebirth has arisen in you and the belief in God too .If I am not wrong , you have become theist and your allegiance goes straightway to Jesus .I don’t have any problem of you becoming Jesus follower .But comparing Buddha as good human being and Jesus as son of God ,did not digest easily in the stomach .
    You said, “I don’t think there is any competition between Jesus and Buddha. Buddha was an enlightened man, a highly evolved soul. Jesus manifested the spirit of God on Earth”
    My ,illiterate mind could not grasp this logic ,will you elaborate further .Especially ,when Buddha on all the time proclaimed he is a common man like any other human being ,he taught compassion as core of his preaching ,and it is said Jesus preached ‘Love’ as the core of his preaching .My question is how will you distinguish between the term “Love” and “Compassion” ,which one is superior or encompassed the another .
    Secondly, Buddha could not answer the existence of “God “, because he has not seen him so he kept the answer blank. However ,if accepted the Jesus claim that he is the son of God ,the onus of proving the existence of God do rest on Jesus, but I don’t think he has …….. ( don’t take the premise of performing miracle as sign of god hood ,it may be alien thing to the people of middle east of the time ,however in India there were/are accomplished yogis/sages who had /have performed unmatched miracles .As for you they all are cultist …… ).Do you have any proof that Jesus was the son of God? It is amazing; you have straightway went in comparing Buddha as human being and Jesus as son of God.
    Thirdly, you believed on the NDE experiment in accepting rebirth, however concept of rebirth exists since time immemorial in the eastern philosophy. It is again based on practical experiments .There is a concept called ,PARAKAYA PRAVESH (meant entering another body) .There are many scriptures dealing with this subject ,especially ,Bramha Sutra .There were many Yogis who lived thousands of years using this technique. There are many at this present moment who had accomplished this feat .On the basis of this practical experiences the doctrine of”Rebirth had firmly established in the spiritual realm of eastern philosophy, unlike NDE experience which is a base for your belief in rebirth and afterlife existence.
    Fourthly, the eastern philosophy travels beyond the concept of “Hell” and “Heaven” .They have definite way to proceed to that end ,which is called Moksha or freeing oneself from the bondage of birth and death (it is called moving form duality to non-duality )You can find more elaborate explanation about this in “Kathopnishad”.The base of our existence is static energy whereas mater(we) is its dynamic manifestation .Buddha realized this aspect of physics and so preached to reunite with the source to get rid of suffering .Therefore no God including Jesus can take the suffering of an individual ,each individual has to work for his mukti . If you think there is hell and heaven as the Semitic beliefs propagates, I am sorry none of the eastern philosophy believer takes it plainly; you are at the sloppy cliff ‘Sir.
    Fifth ,to know the worthiness of Buddha and Jesus ,you just had to access to their behavior ,Buddha even at the tender age had compassion for animal (leave alone humans) ,where as Jesus at the height of enlightenment showed the anger at the money exchangers by throwing their money and tables .Decision is left to your wise conscious ,to Judge who is the perfect among them .
    Sixth, instead of following bible and Jesus, I request you to peep into the Zoroastrian Awesta’s for the real enlightenment and spiritual progress.
    Let my preamble be false,’that you are not the one I am following all these ends!

  3. Ali Sina says:

    Well I don’t think we are more special than animals. They are also sentient conscious beings like us. One day we were like them and one day they will be like us. When I was a child I regularly dreamed of being a deer being chased by a predator and jumping on my four legs high trying to escape. I told that to my mother and she said, it is just a dream. Of course it was just a dream but why I would have such dream and so recurrently? Only now that I have came to see the spiritual truths I consider the possibility that I was having a flashback of my very past life.

    We are more evolved than animals, in some senses such as in our brain. This means we have a bigger consciousness. As the result it is expected more from us. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Luke 12:48

  4. verynice says:

    let me be straight, am not a scientist nor PHD holder. I’m an ordinary man.I think that Bible is simply a collection of books. Some books were sorted out ,some were known as apocrypha and other were accepted. i feel to be connected with the minds of those people tales. For me i feel they were truly human.Even to the point of how they perceived God. But when it comes to Jesus, he gave his own interpretation that is contrary to those people.
    Jesus said God loves us, Jesus teaches loves. In this world i can tell, It is not dangerous to agree with Jesus in many aspects. Jesus interpreted taurat very different from what Moses and many previous prophets and people did.
    Jesus came with revolution. He went far by telling the Jews that God did not bring food from heaven. Jesus teaches that God is not a kind of monster who demand worship, but loves us irrespective of our imperfect. God is tolerance. He respect Human right, freedom etc.
    Jesus shows us that, we are more special than Animals, birds because of our duties, job, works etc. The idea has triggered me to love my job. Birds don’t work.

  5. verynice says:

    Amin riadh
    Wooo. please stop growling..May be you have a good intention here. remember this isnt about you or your religion. It is about death and life, it is about salvation or lost in hell fire. It is about genuine truth and not millions familiar lies . It is about helping people to find the truth. It is about separation of truths from conventional.
    May be it is western mediums or may be their Alliens propaganda. But that is not the case. The thing is Why Muslims saw Jesus?Why Hindu saw Jesus,? Why Muslim saw not Muhammad and Allah?

    Is their a reason to ignore the fact just because it comes from western or Islamic countries? Hell “NO”

    Why Arabic mediums have clueless about Muhammad. Muslims are killing everyday in the name of Allah, but despite their number nobody comes out and say I saw Muhammad. but Muslims come out and say they meet Jesus.
    Cant you see the difference? This has nothing to do with Allien propaganda or Western medium. This is NDEs. This is science which discovered Jesus in our spiritual realm. This is what we are talking about.

    Dr. Ali sina and Salmon Rushdie, were pissed off by Islam but not because of Aliens or western propaganda. They were honesty with their heart.

    Many times Jesus shows that he knows where he will be going(To his Father in HEaven).. Muhammad wasn’t sure what will be done to him. Jesus told his disciples that he is the way, and he can save them. Muhammad speaks otherwise to his daugher Fatma and Safiya, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib, O sons of Abd al-Muttalib. . Muhammad was a prophet who wasn’t sure of himself as well.
    The bottom line is .. Why under NDEs , Muslims saw Jesus instead of Muhammad?

  6. Amin Riadh says:

    @ Sina

    Oh dear… I can’t figure which version of you is the most silly. Atheist or Christian. Back then you at least paid lip service to something called “Science”. Now you are openly irrational and proud!

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    ” I suppose the reason we don’t have a lot of NDE from Muslims is because their experience is hellish and they don’t want to talk about it. ”

    Just like majority of the “Mediums” are Western. Just like most of the “Alien Abductions” happen to Western people…

    Ha, ha, ha… this outright stupidity is amusing.

  7. Ali Sina says:

    I don’t think there is any competition between Jesus and Buddha. Buddha was an enlightened man, a highly evolved soul. Jesus manifested the spirit of God on Earth. One does not have to choose one or the other. I am neither a Christian nor a Buddhist. But I recognize Buddha as a great teacher and Jesus as the Son of God. We are all sons and daughter of God, Jesus was the biggest spirit that ever walked on Earth.

    Let us put it this way. We will all leave our physical body. No one dies. We go to the other world and guess what. All those who have been to the other world and back say Jesus is the king there. So it is just wise to be on his side if you want to be treated nicely there. LOL

  8. Ali Sina says:

    That is one argument against those who claim the experience is mental. If it were mental then Muslims should see naked virgins in heaven. But they don’t. Some even see Jesus and some see hell. I suppose the reason we don’t have a lot of NDE from Muslims is because their experience is hellish and they don’t want to talk about it.

    But forget all that. If afterlife is real and anyone has been there, it proves Muhammad was a liar. He did not believe in what is spirit. He did not know what is spirit at all. When the Meccans asked him about it he said it is a secret, the knowledge of it is with God. (17:85)

    He thought the dead will remain in the grave awake and conscious or goes to sleep and then they resurrect in the Last Day to be judged. So according to his eschatology, heaven and hell are not yet operational. When they open, he will be the first to enter paradise and along with him 70,000 (other hadiths say 700,000) Muslims will enter paradise. Everyone else will be sent to hell.

  9. Amin Riadh says:

    @ Sina

    There you go! Here is a good follower of your intellect! See how much “rationality” he espouses!

  10. verynice says:

    So when we listen to NDEs it means, all Muhammad fascinating stories about presence of virgin women waiting for us was proven to be fables created by Muhammad and his followers

  11. Sakat says:

    A Friend
    My friend we love Ali as much u love ,but can u make(or Ali) sense of Jesus ( a historical figure) ,then why not Buddha equally ;he is documented well (courtesy to his educated companion’s of that time ) in the human History(unlike the Constantine doctrine of bringing the unknown figure called Jesus to implant as the unquestioned savior of humanity ;only to secure his empire intact , who lived some 300 years early,what a ,”laughing stock”)

  12. verynice says:

    Is like a Tiger charged a kid for the mistakes commited by his parent Goats.

  13. verynice says:

    i wonder people hate Dr. Ali Sina because of his love to Jesus. Jesus predicted this 2000 ago, that because of his name many will be hated and tortured. The prophecy fullfilled!!. it happens in Islamic world, it happens in Hindu etc. A Christian is more than a religion or culture. being Christian is about accepting Jesus. Dr.Ali sina is truly a Christian. Sorry pal.

  14. Amin Riadh says:

    Jesus the Racist?

    “And Jesus went away from there and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman from the region came out and cried, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon.” But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly. (Matthew 15:21-28) ”

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    Let us see how you grapple with this one… or are you mere ranter. Christians in my experience are very good at ranting… I do like one of the Jehovah’s coming around. Mind you, these Mormons have got a bit of bite to them.

    With your Jehovah… just be nice to them and ask awkward questions in polite voice and watch them suffer! It is quite fun.

  15. The Bible-Historical accounts of people,and how God dealt with the Israelites,were written by God’s prophets,or messengers.Who is to decide they are real,true stories,and not myths?

    The Bible,where God has a strong hand in it,He inspired human to record the events,or the teachings of God.

    This is their version,on what they had seen and heard,and they relate it to us.Anybody who is not eye-witnesses,or privy to the information,will never be able to say, “”it is not true,or it is a Myth””.

    You and I were not there during the time of Moses.You can believed what Moses wrote,by Faith,or you can only claimed Ignorance…or I don’t know.No one can say for sure that those Stories were Fairy-tales because,they don’t know,they were not there,and as Liars and Sinners ourtselves,with limited understanding,and our imperfections,who are we to judge them as False?

    People can tell lies,bear false witnesses,but they also could be truthful.Lord Jesus said..All liars,FALSE WITNESSES,those who cook up tales…will go to the Lake of Fires.This warnings written by John,is for all people,inclusive Christians who were already saved.

    A Christian is one who accept Christ,and accept God”s messages in the Bible,and doubts is permitted for a season.As new to the Bible,who don’t have doubts initially?What is so powerful for those who came to journey with Christ Jesus is,they will discover His Words to be true..He that seek,FIND.

    However,God do shine lights to all,grant us wisdom and understanding to discern and to divide the Truths from the Lies.It is those who are humble,seek for truths,they will find it,and Lord Jesus is the Truths,so He is unafraid for you to study,investigate and search to the bottom.Lord Jesus welcomes seekers,and Jesus has nothing to hide.

    The Bible is truly divine.Almost 40 years,I have seen all kinds of objections,all kinds of reasonings,all kinds of doubts,they say this and that…God’s Words reign supreme,very powerful,and its wisdom is past finding out.

  16. Amin Riadh says:

    @ Sina

    “No Riadh, Jesus is not invalidated without the Bible.”

    Yes. He is. It is pretty much only through the Bible you know him. There little to no evidence about him, besides the Bible.

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    “Today we have a new source of information about the other world and God, and that is the near death experience,”

    No we do not. That is simply whole load of nonsense. See… you were atheist in the sense of ‘rejection of Islam’ only. You have little no aptitude for either Science or Logic.

    Under the section of “Personal Experience” you will find that Atheist have already er… exposed such nonsense. Else… why is NDE needed at all? If the almighty exists then he can simply be known about without such extreme measures.

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    “something did not exist only a few decade ago, but now it is becoming a common occurrence with thousands of stories. This site has close to 4000 of them.”

    Yes. And there literally hundreds of thousands of mediums and psychics. As James Randi has proven… the whole category is a complete lie.

    There are 2 billion Christians and about 1.7billion Muslims. Either one or the other or neither can be true. Let us take the neither option away… assume either one or the other can be true. Hence popularity of an idea is no argument for it to be true.

    You could have learnt some logic during that Atheist phase… oh you do disappoint!

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    “It will take you one decade to read them all. http://www.nderf.org/ If it were not for these stories I’ll still be an atheist.”

    No dear. That is merely an excuse. Come on… we both know what brought you out of the Atheist phase and this has nothing to do with it. As I said you were Atheist in the sense of rejecting previous faith.

    And the company you keep these days has had an effect on you… as I have said it not just your religious thought but this effect is visible in your political thoughts too.

    Powerful is the American Right.

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    “The Bible has a lot of truth in it, but since the believers have mixed with it also a lot of nonsense, it is difficult to separate wheat from chaff.”

    And the whole Jesus myth for a start…

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    “Unlike Edip Yuksel who wants to ignore the hadith, I go through the Bible and meticulously separate truth from fiction. I do the same with the hadith.”

    I do not think that is true. You seem desperate to Jesus away from the Bible. However – Jesus doesn’t really exist at all without it. So you have to pay some lip service to the Bible. In Yuksel’s case… at least there is a “Muhammad” mentioned in the Quran.

    The end result in both cases is quite the same.

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    “I am not looking for a publisher for Understanding Muhammad. I am looking for one for my new book The Life of Muhammad under the Light of Reason.”

    No one bought the older one. Which is a pile of rubbish… I mean copying and pasting from Wikipedia! Give me a break. I fail to find a single aspect of that book where its research wasn’t done all online.

    I mean Sam Vaknin…. really? You do not see the “irony” of using a disease sufferer to accuse someone else of suffering the same disease?

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    “I report the stories as said by these biographers and then comment on them showing which part of the story is true and which part of it is made up.”

    Ah! A failed methodology.

    1. You do not have a Phd in any subject… the title of Dr is false.

    2. You seem not have a clue what “objectivity” is.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity

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    “There are so many details and events reported by these historians and accepted by even major orientalists like S.D. Margoliouth, Montgomery Watt, Cannon Sell, and William Muir that are simply not true.”

    I am glad you have learned a few more names. It is SD Margoliouth. And who is “Cannon Sell”

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    “Take for example the story of Muhammad sending Nu’aim to cause distrust between the Bani Qurayza and the confederates. It never happened. That story is a fib and I show why.”

    Go right ahead… why?

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    “As for the movie project it is not shelved.”

    Given your Xtian leanings… I already figured out you are holding out. I think the financiers will demand er… full conversion.

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    “I left it in the hands of God to make it happen when He thinks is the right time.”

    Inshallah!

    Ha ha ha ha… oh the sheer irony! Oh that line is simply priceless…

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    By the way… your account was sometimes handled by someone else… one still has to wonder… who exactly are you? I mean who exactly replies to these comments in Sina’s name?

  17. Ali Sina says:

    No Riadh, Jesus is not invalidated without the Bible. Today we have a new source of information about the other world and God, and that is the near death experience, something did not exist only a few decade ago, but now it is becoming a common occurrence with thousands of stories. This site has close to 4000 of them. It will take you one decade to read them all. http://www.nderf.org/ If it were not for these stories I’ll still be an atheist. The Bible has a lot of truth in it, but since the believers have mixed with it also a lot of nonsense, it is difficult to separate wheat from chaff. Unlike Edip Yuksel who wants to ignore the hadith, I go through the Bible and meticulously separate truth from fiction. I do the same with the hadith.

    I am not looking for a publisher for Understanding Muhammad. I am looking for one for my new book The Life of Muhammad under the Light of Reason. This is a voluminous book, so far 200,000 words. It is an examination of the Sira of Ibn Ishaq, Tabari, Waqidi and Ibn Sa’d. I report the stories as said by these biographers and then comment on them showing which part of the story is true and which part of it is made up.
    There are so many details and events reported by these historians and accepted by even major orientalists like S.D. Margoliouth, Montgomery Watt, Cannon Sell, and William Muir that are simply not true. Take for example the story of Muhammad sending Nu’aim to cause distrust between the Bani Qurayza and the confederates. It never happened. That story is a fib and I show why. This is a fascinating book. The only downside is that it turned to be a big book with nearly 600 references. It became an academic book. My goal was to write a brief introduction to the life of Muhammad. But the more I read the more I realized everyone has missed the point. Muhammad has remained unknown to everyone, and not just to Muslims. Even his critics don’t know him. So I had to change my original plan and make this book as comprehensive as needed.

    Once the book is complete I will then write another abridged version of it, maybe a third of its size, with no references and footnotes, for the consumption of the masses, who have no time to read large books.

    As for the movie project it is not shelved. But this is a delicate project. I don’t know anyone in movie industry. Now i have a friend who is connection with this industry and he is contacting select people he trusts and discussing with them about it. This movie can and will change the course of history. I left it in the hands of God to make it happen when He thinks is the right time.

  18. Amin Riadh says:

    @ Sina

    Do you remember having a go at Edip Yuksel? Stating that he wanted to cut away the Hadith Corpus in order to take all those allegations away from Prophet Muhammad.

    Now your new position is very reminiscent of that. Cut away the Bible but praise Jesus. Although Bible is virtually the only thing that tells us something about Jesus. You cannot separate Jesus from the Bible else the man simply doesn’t exist.

    And the reason you separate him is because of the “difficulties” and given your past views the allegation of hypocrisy.

    – –

    Your new position of those basis is completely silly… even if the money and the support for that “film” seems to have dried up. And let us face it… I am one of the hand full of people that has actually read your book… and we all know you have still to find a publisher for that travesty.

  19. Amin Riadh says:

    No Sina. It was and is all about the money. It is always about the simple vices… sex, money, power, etc.

    Although I do congratulate you on keep those ridiculous rants against Obama and your political thoughts quite separate. Although they are likely still available online, somewhere.

    However the shades of American Right are still deep… the complete 360 of becoming an Atheist to Christian. There are twists to your story still yet.

    – –

    Kind of same thing happened to Hirsi Ali. She was a devastatingly beautiful and very articulate. But then she sold herself to the American Right and lost about all of her credibility. She was an atheist superstar… until she spouted support for Christianity.

    – –

    I will enjoy taking lumps out of you… even if you have set the system up to make that difficult. I preferred the comment deeper than 1 level.

  20. The Incest and Abraham deceits were true stories,the accounts given by Moses.You cannot called it wrong by speculations,or your own interpretations.You are simply not privy to the issues,just given an out- line of a stories,so you have no Power of Logics to dismiss it.

    Abraham feared for his life,and he understood immoral Kings would be lusting after his wife,shows that Abrham had worldly common sense,and his analysis was correct.

    This has been one of human weakness,Politically Correct,just as they white-wash Islam,being cowards.Abram’s weakness can be identified in many real lives of ours today.

    The Incest stories were unpleasant,but Truths are Truths.The Bible did not sanction evil deeds,just relate the Truths.

  21. Ricardo Hotatio says:

    A rule for interpreting the Bible: It is partly a historic account, this does mean that not everything that is mentioned is being justified. Just a simple observation; Probably Abraham was called after he was married. OT times were different anyway, because believers in general had not the permanent indwelling of the Spirit of God. The patriachs were inspired at different occasions, with a lot of silence in between.

  22. Ali Sina says:

    Dear Friend,

    I said that the Bible is like a gold mine. It means most of it is plain dirt. Yet, one should not discard it completely because of the gold in it. As i have come to understand, Jesus was the greatest soul that ever walked on this planet. No, he was not God. He was a soul, like us but much, much greater than us. Also to say Jesus was not God is not really true. He was of the same essence, the same light, the same reality. None of this make sense if we try to understand it through materialistic eyes. We are entering a different realm that has nothing to do with the restrictions of the matter. Quantum physics can explain it. Quantum Physics is the window to the other world. Actually I think a better word for it is spiritual physics. That is exactly what Quantum physics is. the more we understand it, the more we will understand spiritual issues, such as Trinity and why Jesus is God and is not God.

    In regards to the immorality in the Bible, you are suggesting we should adopt moral relativism. I don’t think so. If God is eternal, his teachings must also be eternal. He can’t teach mankind go and bang you sister, it is okay and then change his mind and say, no it is not okay.

    The difference between a religious person and I is that the religious person bends reason to correspond his truth. I expect truth to fit my reason.

  23. Richard Johnson says:

    Pardon me, but no where in the Gospels do I find Jesus explicitly saying: “I am the creator of the whole universe.” That Paul may have seen in Jesus a prefiguring or fleshy manifestation of that glorious Word which is archetype of all manifold forms of creation and the pattern of its final goal is a profound and thrilling thought. But to contract that infinite and conceptually riotous archetype to the physical form of a thirty-year old Palestinian Jew, there is a certain amount of imaginative work to be done.

    As for the passage in John’s Gospel about the woman taken in adultery, it is universally acknowledged that it is an interpolation and is missing from most of the early manuscripts. The story shows the grace of Jesus admirably, but strictly speaking, it is a tradition not taken on board by the ancient authorities.

    Jesus lived in an ancient pre-scientific culture and was no means immune to false things. He knew nothing of Quantum Physics or cosmology. He was not aware of the biological nature of diseases. He believed that at least some illness was the result of demon possession. Moreover, he thought that the world would come to an end very soon. He was a fallible, culturally influenced human being in and through whom God acted. Jesus had a human mind, learning, forgetting and being limited like any other person of his day. He was tempted like anyone else, he prayed, wept and had to learn how to do things. He was not a superman. In his humanity he did not possess all knowledge. Luke says: “Jesus increased in wisdom.”

    Regarding your comments on the OT, I can say only that it seems clear it is not the way God acts but the way God’s acts are perceived or depicted. We do not have an objectively establish-able history which justifies certain beliefs about a morally active God. We have expressions of such beliefs embodied in the very form of narratives.

  24. A friend says:

    I disagree that the Christian Missionaries are hurting the Indians. Please see the following article. You are probably either mis-informed or brain washed.

    http://philipyancey.com/darkness-and-light-in-india

  25. A friend says:

    Dr. Sina,

    I just like to make several comments w/r to your article.
    1) Jesus well knew Quantum Physics b/c after all He was the creator of it as He was the creator of the whole of universe.
    2) I am surprised that in order to show Jesus’s ” smartness ” you give examples right out of the Bible, i.e. you actually give chapter and verse, Matthew 5:27, about lust and adultery, and again you tell the story of the prostitute brought to Him to be stoned right out of the Gospel and then you claim that you don’t believe in the Bible because it is all myth and fables. You need to be consistent in what you say and therefore believe.
    3) With regards to your saying that stories of Abraham, Lot, Noah, etc. show the Bible to be full of incest and how could God have these sort of people as chosen ones, remember that till the time of Moses which was some 500 years after Abraham there was no laws or such things as incest. From times of Adam and Eve brothers and sisters were marrying each other. They had to. There were no other families but one. So there were inter-marriages in the families. They were not incest. Even after Noah, in his Ark there were 3 sons and their wives. Who would their children marry and populate the earth?

    It is always well to put ourselves in that time frame.

    Regards and best wishes.

  26. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Are you sane? The Quran clearly states that Jesus Christ is certainly far more greater than your prophet Muhammad. Not only that, it also affirms the fact that Jesus Christ is more than a prophet because He is the Word of God, Spirit of God, He healed the sick folks, He raised Lazarus and a young girl from the dead, He died and rose again on the third day, He is alive and He will come back again, So, isn't it clearly written in the Quran that since Jesus Christ is more greater than your prophet Muhammad, even your prophet Muhammad has to humble himself and submit to Jesus Christ and His good teachings! All Muslims including you should understand and follow this vital instructions from the Quran to follow Jesus Christ instead of Muhammad.

  27. dssc7 says:

    Thank God, the Prophet Muhammad taught us that we have to believe in Prophet Isa `alayhi salam and faith in the Holy Bible. Muslims are a faithful follower of Jesus, whereas Christians today are loyal followers of Paul. If you want to be a faithful follower of Jesus, be faithful followers of the Prophet Muhammad.

  28. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    The main reason as to why there is a special chapter on Mariam in the Quran is to remind all Muslims in the world of the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed far more greater than Muhammad and they ought to follow Jesus Christ.

  29. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    The main reason why the Quran give more preference to Jesus Christ than Muhammad because it points out the fact that the prophet Muhammad is not the Word of God, not the Spirit of God, never cured any sick people, never raised any dead people, he himself died, and according to Islam, he is not alive and he will not come back. The Quran clearly shows that there is a lot of differences between these two prophets and it is showing all Muslims the ultimate truth that Jesus Christ is a prophet far more greater than Muhammad and that all Muslims become Christians and follow Jesus Christ. 🙂

  30. dssc7 says:

    Al Quran also mentions several times the story of the mother of Jesus, there is even a special chapter: namely Mariam. Al Quran wants to fix the name of Jesus' mother as a good woman, was not an adulterer.

  31. dssc7 says:

    Hi Grace Ali Harrel,
    Congratulations, you have finished reading the Quran. It is true that the name of Jesus is mentioned more often in the Quran than the Prophet Muhammad himself, because God wants to straighten the controversial story of Jesus through the Quran. Prophet Muhammad really keep the Word of God, did not want to add, and reduce it, and would not mix with his own words. Therefore, he forbade his companions to write his sayings which are not the Word of God.

  32. Indian says:

    @Jesus&Christian man, both of you hatemonger,traitor
    see how christian missionaries are spreading hatred and fooling and alluring people to convert them to christianity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?=WwnZ2vyEDEs & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Way1zZVKq4k

  33. Indian says:

    @Christian man
    ''The 10 commandments was the foundation of the global legal system.''
    Same commandments are foundations of social life in christian world. Adults leave their parents finishing schools at 16.They have liberty to choose the partner at this young age with whom they can live without getting married and with whom they can have sexual relationship with him( Live-in-relationship). In christian world it's not considered wrong for a woman to become mother and a man to become father without getting married . Many mothers don't tell their children regarding their fathers because 9 months before the birth of the child that woman slept with many men, one after another and now she just does not remember out of those men who is the father of the child. Many men and women don't want to get married because they want new partners for every 6 months. This is christian philosophy which says Jesus paid for the sins of people and people are not responsible for their sins.

  34. Defending Dharma says:

    Christian man……..How about the cruelest of all christian inquisitions in Goa tortured and killed thousands of hindus ? How about the British viciously exploited India and it's people for it's resources ?
    Christian missionaries are virtually banned in China and in Islamic countries, in India they are often tolerated and given a wide scope of activity.Most hindus are not aware of this ''seige on Hinduism'' that continues unrelenting as part of the multi-national missionary BUSINESS while people know the history of the inquisition and burning of witches in Europe and genocide of Native Americans by Christian invaders, they don't realize that India has a similar history in many parts of the country like Goa. Most importantly people of India don't realize that questionable conversion tactics like alluring for Rs. 20,000 for conversion are adopted by these missionaries. Your ancestors were either persecuted or allured for conversion. Just disgusting.

  35. Truth_seeker says:

    christian Man, 
    Why do you believe in the bible without any proof whatsoever and with do many mistakes in it? 

  36. Truth_seeker says:

    Christian Man, 
    PLEASE refrain from quoting Bible to prove the bible.  this is a classic case of dialectic inadequacy.The Biblical quotes are moral platitudes at best and illogical tribal beliefs at their worst. It exhibits no great philosophical depth or has any lofty ideas in it. IT'S clearly a manuscript designed to exert an unfair amount of control over large population in a bygone Era- called the dark ages for a reason. PLEASE try and come out of this blind belief for your own good.  THERE IS NO JESUS COMING TO SAVE YOU, COz YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN!!!! it's illogical,  that's why. 

  37. Truth_seeker says:

    Ha ha… A true redneck statement.  I pity you Christian man. 

  38. Church for Sale says:

    @Christian man, You liar
    Einstein did not believe in your god jesus. His quotes: a) I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has will of the kind that we experience in ourselves.Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death;let feeble souls,from fear or absurd egotism cherish such thoughts.-wrote in the book The World as I see It.
    b) The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible,a collection of primitive legends which are neverthless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this. – Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, Jan 3, 1954
    c) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists ,not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. – responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question Do you believe in God ? –
    d) During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution ,human fantasy created god in man's own image who by the operation of their will were supposed to determine or at any rate influence the phenomenal world. – quoted in 2002 Years of Disbelief by James Haught
    e) If this being omnipotent , the every occurance , including every human action ,every human thought and every human feeling and aspiration as also this work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty being ? In giving out punishments and rewards . He would to a certain extent be passing judgement on Himself. How can this be combined with their goodness and righteous ascribed to Him? – wrote in Out of My Later Years.
    All religions are bogus and are made for morons like you. Your christianity was spread by persecuting and luring pagans. I can only feel disgust for you and your forefathers

  39. Church for Sale says:

    @Christian man

    ''and about collapsing society all this has been predicted in the bible too''
    Your god Jesus was genius. He knew that scientifically advanced society will discard his lies and sleight of hand and jugglery.
    Only morons like you can believe in flat earth concept of bible.
    ''European philosophical thinking and free thinking and democracy''
    Democracy, free thinking society secures basic human rights of homosexuals. It's you fanatic,dumb christians torture and murder homosexuals.
    How about torture and murder of witches by 'God's People' ?
    Does your god jesus sanction persecution of Galileo ?

  40. Christian Man says:

    There are Catholic pedophiles as well as atheist pedophiles in society. Christianity as a doctrine doesn't encourage and promote padeophilia unlike liberal atheist homosexuals like you do who want to adopt children as same sex couples. 
    And corrupted pagan atheist liberal homosexuals like you are pushing homosexual and transvestite agenda to be adopted by society that's why the moral fabric is disintegrating with same sex marriage and people are being led astray.  It is society that is being led astray.

    and about collapsing society all this has been predicted in the bible too it's just a fulfillment of prophecy.
    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
    Galatians 6:7-8 – Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
     Peter 2:2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.

  41. Church for Sale says:

    @Christian man
    what about your pedophile popes and priests who indulge in various sexual activities with teenaged girls and boys? why is christianity collapsing in western nations ? http://www.vatileaks.com/pages/Articles/2012/The_Collaps...
    – An atheist

  42. Christian Man says:

    Dear balasubramani
    With your profound knowledge and depth of understanding you call us Christians as these monotheists of dogmatic faith and little understanding. 
    And you said abrahamic Christian religious institutions  shut peoples their minds down. Monotheists similarly threaten their subjects with the concept of only one true GOD and that is their GOD these faiths lack any depth in their spirituality and philosophy. These are people who have been blackmailed from birth  and you talked about Christians having the Stockholm syndrome.

    But let me tell you Christianity and the Bible has rich philosophy studied by Great minds such as Newton even Einstein was a Jew from an Abramhic faith.  Christianity has been responsible for hospitals charity education system and development of European philosophical thinking and free thinking and democracy.  The 10 commandments was the foundation of the global legal system.

    It Hinduism that lacks any depth in spirituality and philosophy. It is Hinduism that teaches us the false doctrine of maya that every thing is an illusion in this world nothing exists and truth is relative not absolute.  And the false doctrine of reincarnation.  And it is hindus who worship stones animals and nature and animism and animal gods and half elephant monkey demon like gods with multiple hands and feet.

    It is Hindus who are being being blackmailed and have Stockholm syndrome and have their minds shut by their sexually active gurus figures and sadhus like Osho who keep Hindu girls women in sexual bondage in ashrams and ask for hefty donations from devotees and teach that drugs getting high and stripping naked and dancing and tantra is the path to enlightenment.  Tantra even teaches that murdering/sacrificing children/people is OK or indulging in sexual orgies and pleasures with multiple women, sacrificing animals and drinking their blood and eating dead human rotting flesh can lead you to englightenment and moksha by uniting with the dead flesh.

    Surely there are 80.5 percent of Hindus in India and only 2 percent of Christians what is 80.5 percent against 2 percent yet you and your kind seem to be so perturbed and disturbed and attack Christian missionaries when educated and philosophically minded Hindus  convert to Christ. I don't see Christians getting so troubled and disturbed and attack Hindus when any if at all Christians convert to Hinduism. 

    You seem to enjoy mocking and ridiculing Jesus and Christianity but the Bible has even verses about you and your kind, and has predicted that people of your kind will come along, it's all written thousands of years ago.  And you are doing exactly that you are just fulfilling prophecy in the Bible.  You are just confirming stuff and fulfilling stuff that's written in the Bible. 

    2 Peter 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. 

    1 Corinthians 1:25 For the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 

    1 Corinthians 1:18 18For the word of the cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." 

    I hope these passages come back to haunt you once you've realized the Christian truth. 

  43. anon27 says:

    Btw the power of the Bible comes through prophecy. Only God can declare the end or what will happen in the future from the beginning. Throughout the Bible we see prophecies being fulfilled and testified through archaeological research and other pieces of history, even from Genesis.
    One example is how God told Abraham that He would bless the entire world through him (Genesis 12:3, 22:18). Today, Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim association with God particularly through Abraham – whether it is physically, through descendants of Isaac or Ishmael, or spiritually by following the religions of the God of Abraham.
    Another powerful prophecy is found in Daniel 9. Backed up by historical records existing even outside of the Bible, the Jews were sent into captivity in Babylon. Some time in the 6th century BC, they were able to rebuild the temple of Solomon as prophesied in Daniel and other prophetic books such as Jeremiah. Read from Daniel 9:25 onwards. A certain Anointed One of God was to appear some time after the 2nd Temple was rebuilt. The prophecy then goes on to say that the Anointed One would be "cut off" or killed and after that both the Temple and the city would be destroyed by the people of "the ruler who is to come". All of these things took place. Around 516BC the 2nd Temple was rebuilt. Around 30-33AD Jesus was crucified, died and resurrected then ascended into heaven. About 4 decades later in 70AD, the 2nd Temple was destroyed and so was Jerusalem by the Romans. All of this is historically documented as fact, and there even stands a monument today known as the Arch of Titus in Rome to commemorate those events.
    To appreciate who the people of "the ruler who is to come" are, you'd have to read Daniel 2, 7, 8 and 11. The final kingdom in those prophecies is Rome.
    What makes all of this even more amazing is that Daniel was alive between the 7th and 6th Century BC, and there are manuscripts of the book of Daniel dating to the 2nd century BC, this means that the events the Bible predicted are trustworthy as they were written hundreds of years before anything took place. There is no way the Romans would play out world events according to the Bible for no reason as they hated Jews and Christians.

  44. anon27 says:

    I recently watched this video and it was quite enlightening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjUXd4qW9mg

    If you don't get to watching the whole thing just ponder on this important question:
    In both the Quran and Bible, it is said that God created the world through His Word. Interestingly, the Big Bang is called "Bang" because of the apparent explosion of sound that came through it. A word produces sound.
    Anyway, the question is this: If God created the world/universe through His Word, then is the Word of God the Creator or creation?
    If the Word of God is the Creator then John 1 makes perfect sense – "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God". If the Word of God was created, then how did God create His Word?

  45. pran says:

    Jesus, Don't be a "koopamandook" (ie:frog in the well boasting wastness of well to the  frog from ocean)
    Open your mind and debate yourself what is spirituality. Thanks

  46. pran says:

    very good explanation.Thanks

  47. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Hi dssc7, after watching the above video clip on Islam, I suddenly became very interested in Islam and wanted to know more about your religion. So, I've just finished reading 114 chapters of the Quran and I find it strange that the name of your prophet Muhammad was found in 4 places in the Quran only while the name of Jesus was found in 25 places in the Quran. Do you know why does the Quran give more preference to Jesus than Muhammad? Besides that, The Quran didn't mention the name of Muhammad's mother or any of his wives' name at all but the name of Jesus's mother, Mariam, is mentioned many times in the Quran. Do you know why does the Quran give more preference to Mariam than Muhammad's mother?

  48. balasubramani says:

    This is profound.

  49. balasubramani says:

    Dear Supriya,
    I appreciate your profound knowledge and depth of understanding. Iam unable to believe you are 15 year old. But arguing with these monotheists of dogmatic faith and understanding is many a times useless. The first thing done by the abrahamic religious institutions is to shut their mind down for anything else other than their ideas. This is the similar to telling children stories of demons roaming around in the night so that they will not go out of the house, causing less trouble to their parents so that they can trouble them. The truth is children when they grow up understand that they are just stories which might have served some protection when they are small and grow out of it. All the monotheists similarly threaten their subjects with the concept of only one true GOD and that is their GOD and the rest are false, demi or semi GODS, which in itself is very immature.Thats why all these faiths lack any depth in their spirituality and philosophy. The concept of conversion and prosyletisation in itself denotes that they are to be attached to their ever overpowering institutions and blackmailing clergy and philosophy. Basically these are people who have been blackmailed from birth for the past atleast twenty centuries. Their behaviour towards their institutions and GOD is a mass manifestation of "Stockholm syndrome". My Guess is most probably my comment will be deleted as soon as possible. But i would always love to interact with a person like you.

  50. dssc7 says:

    From Strong Atheist To Islam – Abdul Raheem – I Was Trying To Convince People That God Doesn't Exist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-sL6aEpcSM

  51. Indian says:

    @Jesus,the cowardice , stop your babbling , no one is interested in your borrowed mythology of christianity.
    Dare to watch if you have brain
    Interview of scientist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRgu3V6Ex_A
    His opinions of hindu dharma http://www.hinduismworldwide.in/2012/10/is-consciousness...

  52. dssc7 says:

    What do you think of it, Ali Sina?
    An Amazing Documentary on Famous People Converting to Islam and Why? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRh3NTH3-No

  53. dssc7 says:

    Top American Surgeon embraced Islam – "I was trying very hard to be a Christian" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5_VETwfew

  54. Jesusnotexisted says:

    @Jesus
    You are right . We are in a time of Great Cultural Change.
    Read here http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Hin...

  55. An atheist says:

    @Jesus
    ''The New is arising best described and articulated by Jesus Christ. It's just inevitable.''
    What would you say about this http://www.vatileaks.com/pages/Articles/2012/The_Collaps... and http://www.gawker.com/5950175/the-inevitable-collapse-of...

  56. Dash says:

    Dear wake up,

    Why muslims are leaving islam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcm873G94jo

  57. dssc7 says:

    Dear all, wake up.
    Why a Former Buddhist Christian accepted Islam? TheDeenShow
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvCU-4TE-ec

  58. Jesus says:

    Young Supriya the Truth is that Hinduism's time is up. Part of the art of making change happen is seeing which cultural tropes are past their prime and having the guts to invent new ones.

    You see you Hindus are frightened cowards trying to feel secure in your old outdated dogmatic cultural trope. We are in a time of Great Cultural Change. ALL the old tropes are dying out. The New is arising best described and articulated by Jesus Christ. It's just inevitable. You are living on a foundation of sand. Hindu's that hang on will end up like Aztecs eating the flesh of their relatives. Is it not already happening? Caste's are an abomination. Do you not see that Hinduism is sliding into the abyss and is dead? Wake Up young Supriya you are on the wrong path.

  59. Jesus says:

    My Young Supriya you are not using logic in your arguments. You are using fantasy. Do you not see that?

  60. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    I wish to converse with you but I'll be out of station for 20 days. I'll reply to you after 20 days.
    Reincarnation- Every deed has equal reaction and this determines one's next birth. There are many reasons for reincarnation. One of them is Iccha( desire). A person desires to be born again because he wants to enjoy worldly things through body. After many births he becomes satisfied and begins to seek spiritual happiness. After spiritual practice ( sadhana) he realizes that he is eternal and immortal soul. He is sat-chit-ananda ( Sagun Brahman)means being-consciousness-bliss. At this stage his ego, desires, cravings vanish. When all desires vanish, he will not be born again. The cycle of rebirth comes to an end.
    Here are reasons for reincarnation – 1] to experience fruits of karma 2] to satisfy desires 3] to complete sadhana.

  61. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    Karma- Every positive deed or intend generates merit while every negative deed or intend generates demerit or sin. One has to reap the results of one's deeds and intends.Throughout our lives we are either settling our an old account or creating new one . If the account can't be settled in this birth,it is carried over to the next birth.We are not consciously aware of the give and take accounts generated in our previous births. Most of our family members, close friends are those persons with whom we have positive and negative accounts from previous births. The reason for this is that one has to be with that person with whom he has to settle krma account to experience happiness and suffering.
    In brief krma can be defined as we attract the same type of energy which we emit.

  62. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    When Jesus finds that he can't argue logically , he resorts to insane personal attacks against others. He insulted me, Sakat, knowtheenemy only because he could not reply to our arguments. He is so narcissistic to not believe in scientists and their intelligence. He is the initiator of all insane attacks against Hinduism and Hindu gurus. Here are some of his statements- ''Hindu philosophy or theology is a dance around the truth, but it is infused with demons and bogeymen and DOES NOT hold enough depth to be of any use to modern man. It is an immature way to look at the world and Reality. It's time is up. It is a dead theology. Hinduism is impotent. You are embracing death. Hindu Gurus are like Mohammed.''
    You can find fallacies and lies in his comments. We hope best for this liar.

  63. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    I knew that you will escape without answering my questions. I hope you will become courageous enough to argue with Indians.

  64. Jesus says:

    It's good that you AGREE that guru's can be and HAVE BEEN narcissists. Jesus overcame ALL sin and he has been the ONLY One to do so. Therefore, the only one to reach God. All others have NOT gotten there yet!!

    As far as points go, your arguments are like a teenagers. Your intelligence is still too immature to have a serious intellectual converse. You are in need of maturity and growing up before you could converse with most people in here. You are the Hindu version of Shabeer with your cut and paste responses. But you have another hurdle to overcome , a very serious hurdle that could destroy you some day if you do not overcome it, especially at your young, 15, age. Your arrogance and irreverence will be your undoing young Supriya. I wish you well in overcoming these weaknesses. You think they are your strengths don't you?

  65. Jesus says:

    That is correct EVERY human being can be tempted by narcissism as we can be tempted by any sin. Jesus overcame ALL sin. He came as an icon for all people to use as a role model.

  66. Jesus says:

    Christian Man – young Supriya has gone deep in to the hole. Full of herself, narcissistic, irreverent…maybe someday she will be a good St. Paul? Her depth of imbalance, like St. Paul, is striking now at such a young age. Perhaps, her next swing to correct her imbalance will be one of piety. We can only hope for her soul.

  67. denialisnoproof says:

    anybody can be narcissist. and god of christianity is narcissist too. i don't have anything against jesus though 

  68. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    First you should accept that Creator IS creation. God is experiencing his limitless potential in the form of this universe. He experiences himself as SAGUN Brahman and rests as NIRGUN Brahman.
    Sagun Brahman means Brahman with qualities or attributes. This Brahman is at activity.
    Nirgun Brahman means Brahman having no qualities or attributes.This Brahman is at rest.
    According to Hindu cosmology life in universe is created for 4.1 billion years= 1 Brahma day and this is called Sagun Brahman and the life is destroyed for next 4.1 billion years and this is called Nirgun Brahman

    Sagun Brahman experinces himself in 4 yugas : Satya yuga, treta yuga, dwapar yuga and kali yuga. These yugas see gradual decline of dharma( one's righteous conduct), wisdom,knowledge,intellectual capacity,life span,decline in emotional ,physical strength. Man gradually comes to identify himself with the body and he has forgotten that he is an eternal,immortal soul – Aham Brahmasmi.
    I have explained you the meaning of Maya. If you could not understand the meaning then I can't help.
    But let me tell you in brief Maya is actually Brahman's power which keeps man in delusion. It is like mirage. Many spiritual gurus have overcome the power of maya and identified that they are Brahman or Sat-chit-ananda means being-consciousness-bliss. Maya is true but not Truth. Therefore Adi Shankaracharya said – Brahma satyam , Jagat mithyam means Brahman is the only truth and the universe is mithya-delusion.
    The power of maya increases from Satya yuga to kali yuga. Therefore many of us don't know that they are Brahman. The three abrahmic religions make distincion between God and universe because they are born in kali yuga, the dark age. This age lacks wisdom.
    Now this is the time in which shift in age is taking place means kali yuga is heading to it's end. This is last phase of Sagun Brahman and therefore the Truth is revealing itself. Non-Indians, scientist, Quantum Physicists have realized this Truth. There are many movements in the west working on Indian philosophy of spirituality. Collective consciousness is taking place. All weak souls( men) are intersted in Yoga, Pranayam, Kundalini jagaran to increase or revive their soul power. Westerners are fascinated by hinduism. This is inevitable. Everyone will be aware before the end of kali yug.Because Sagun Brahman will become Nirgun Brahman i.e. Brahman at activity rest for the same time period. This is day and night of Brahman. This cycle continues for eternity.
    When one realizes that you are Bahman then he detaches emotions and indulges in Nishkam karma and takes part in collective consciousness. He starts leading his life for whole humanity because he has realized that everyone and everything belong to him. There is no duality .

  69. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    //I will therefore ask and answer you again and number these questions and at the same time also
    answer Truth_seeker's more intelligent valid questions and points. //
    You dont think my questions are intelligent and valid because answers of these questions exposes your wrong and false christian philosophy. They prove that christianity is naive. But still you have answer those questions.

  70. Supriya says:

    //Bible has even verses about you and your kind, and has predicted that people of your kind will come along, it's all written a thousands of years ago. And you are doing exactly that you are just fulfilling prophecy in the Bible. You are just confirming stuff that's written in the Bible. //
    First convince those westerners who are abandoning jesus and embracing Indian philosophy.
    Man has gradually come to identify himself with the body in kali yug. 3 abrahamic false religions are born in kali yug. Man has forgotten that he is a soul = supersoul( param atma). He has caught up in Maya. But kali yug is heading to a new age, a new satya yug and therefore non -indians are embracing hinduism in large number. This change is inevitable. Scientists have come to the conclusion that the universe is nothing but illusion(maya), 23% Americans believe in reincarnation.Dr. Sina, an Iranian is philosophically Hindu. Upcoming decades are pregnant with major changes. Every person will realize that he is god himself before the end of kali yug. Everyone will become hindu because it is the only religion which guides you to the truth. Those indians who were fooled by christian missionaries will also turn to their original religion.This is inevitable. The time is forcing each and everyone to the truth.

  71. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    //For I do not seek to understand in order to believe, but I believe in order to understand. For I believe this: unless I believe, I will not understand. -Anselm of Canterbury //
    This fits you well because you are blind believer and not me.

  72. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    //Because God is personal, and because persons can forgive, God can forgive us of our sins. Moreover, He has done so through Jesus Christ.//
    Why hard core and faithful christians are suffering from various disease ? Your god has not forgiven them.
    Why do you wish to take help from jesus? Why don't you wish to become jesus? because you dont know that every person can attain enlightenment/cosmic consciousness. Christianity makes you parasite i.e. dependant on jesus christ.

  73. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Did you again give in ? OR Do you think that answers of those questions would expose you and christiantiy,the naive religion( which is disproved by science)? Either answer my questions or admit that you are failed.
    Some Gurus may be narcissistic like your self proclaimed god who used to say – I am messiah, i am king, i am your savior.

  74. Jesus says:

    Oh young child Supriya…will you not answer at least ONE simple Yes or NO question????

    Can a guru be narcissistic?

  75. Christian Man says:

     Similarities and Differences between Karma and Sin 
    Similarities: Both involve moral choices. Both affirm the existence of a cause-and-effect relationship between our actions and the results they produce in our present lives.

    Differences Karma (Hindu Concept): Karma does not affect one’s relationship with Brahman, which is the essence of existence within all things.  Whether one’s karma is good or bad makes no difference to the fact that we are unconditionally extended from the oneness of Brahman. Sin (Christian Concept): Sin does affect our relationship with God in that we become alienated from Him.  One of the attributes of God is absolute moral holiness, and our sin reveals an attitude of rebellion against His authority.
    The law of karma, which makes morality like a law of nature, does not allow for the possibility of forgiveness.  Its consequences are inevitable and inescapable. Because God is personal, and because persons can forgive, God can forgive us of our sins.  Moreover, He has done so through Jesus Christ.2

    The Bible says sin makes man weak and matter controls him ie he is under the influence of the flesh.&nbsp ;http://www.openbible.info/topics/sins_of_the_flesh
    the sins of the flesh weakens man and renders him incapable of overcoming his state he is under the control of the matter.  So he has to take the help of Jesus Christ who was God in the form of human flesh God incarnate because Jesus reached the highest form of enlightenment by suffering and crucifying the flesh (ended the power of flesh matter)and rising from the flesh matter by being resurrected from matter by God .

    Galatians 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires

    we are all sinners under the power of matter and we cannot overcome without the help of God through Jesus Christ.  Can a drug addict or alcohol under the power of drugs or alcohol help himself no he needs extra help same is with mankind who is under the power of  sin flesh matter.

  76. Christian Man says:

    The pharisees like you too did not accept the kingdom of god and therefore didn't want to be part of it because they were blind.  They rejected it, 

    Actually, Christ was pointing out the paradox that the Pharisees did not have the spiritual discernment to recognize that the message of the Kingdom of God was at hand or being offered to them (Matthew:23:15-17). To punctuate this point, Jesus, who will be the King of Kings in that Kingdom, was referring to Himself when He said "the kingdom of God is among you" or "in your midst." The spiritually blind Pharisees did not recognize Jesus as the divine Representative of that Kingdom.
    Rather than telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God was something in their hearts, Jesus Christ warned them that they were so spiritually blind they couldn't recognize the very personification of that Kingdom in Him. 

  77. Christian Man says:

    Supriya you haven't yet answered to me about the delusions and false doctrines of reincarnation, karma, maya and philosophy of relativism properly.

    For I do not seek to understand in order to believe, but I believe in order to understand. For I believe this: unless I believe, I will not understand. -Anselm of Canterbury

    Supriya you seem to enjoy mocking and ridiculing Jesus and Christianity but the Bible has even verses about you and your kind, and has predicted that people of your kind will come along, it's all written a thousands of years ago.  And you are doing exactly that you are just fulfilling prophecy in the Bible.  You are just confirming stuff that's written in the Bible.

    2 Peter 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.

    1 Corinthians 1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

    1 Corinthians 1:18 18For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

    I hope these passages come back to haunt you once you've realized the Christian truth.

    I will therefore ask and answer you again and number these questions and at the same time also 
    answer Truth_seeker's more intelligent valid questions and points.

  78. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    Let me catch your lie again.// Kingdom of God is within us//
    Jesus christ presented himself as the messiah of Israel.The pharisees were opposed to him because he was ruining their rules.They asked him when the kingdom of god would come ? Jesus,self proclaimed god said-the kingdom of god is within you. He did not mean that the kingdom of god i inside pharisees.The word''within'' is entos.Though it can have meaning of inside.It can also mean '' in your midst''. The latter meaning fits the context,as well as rest of the bible teachings . Jesus used ti say he was king-the ruler of the kingdom. He told pharisees the kingdom was in their midst,because the king was standing right in their presence.
    Bible teaches that Jesus is god.He took human form.He made distinction between creator and creation.

  79. Akshat says:

    Narcissists are attention seekers. There are high chances of them being found living a public life. Politics and religion are the two realms who shelter the most and biggest narcissist on earth. 
    Media, corporate, actors, social worker comes far behind religion and politics in terms of Narcissist personality disorders. It simply based on supply and demand rule. As ethics are growing in all walks of life it is turning difficult to get the narcissist supply from the later realms. A uniformity and equality is being imposed by higher order in all those realms so these realms cannot nourish the narcissist as he ideally wants to be. On the other hand Politics and religion still has potential to nourish narcissist. Politics shelters the highest number of narcissist and religion shelters less number but biggest Narcissist on planet. Most lethal ones are the combo of two i.e.  Muhammad.

     Muhammad successfully developed followers far higher in number then Buddha even in his lifetime.  It is not the Buddha’s who are at fault but it is followers who don’t have eyes to recognize the Buddha. Yes True guru live as you described but living is not a phenomenon of matter but of soul. And most humans are not capable of see the soul of a being. They judge a human on the basis of surface details. Dera Ram-raheem, Asaram, Nityanand all are narcissist people who are guru not only declared by themselves but by millions of people who follow them.  

  80. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    Why did not you answer my all questions ? Don't you have courage and intelligence to do so?

  81. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    I have already exposed your double standard in my last comment.
    Quantum Physicists like Michael Konig, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, John Hagelin have trumpeted that Hinduism is true and they have approved of pantheistic concept of God. Darwinism has proved the tale of creator and creation wrong. Hence Darwin has discarded christianity.
    //Guru's are mad men just like Mohammed.// Dr. Sina is philosophically Hindu. You mean to say he is like mohammed ?
    Oh I remember, there are many similarity between Christianity and Islam like God is like super human, he creates creation so that creation will worship him, praise him day and night. And if a person fails to praise him then he will be tormented in hell by God.
    I'll answer your question but first you have to answer my questions : 1] Why did your god create satan and devil if He did not like sin? 2] why did he create two opposite genders Adam and Eve? 3] why should mankind and nature pay for the sin of Adam and Eve? 4] Why did he not grant everyone same intelligence, skills, comforts if he is holy and righteous?
    Let me know your maturity at 50.

  82. Guru says:

    @Jesus
    No, Guru can not be narcissistic. Guru put up highest standard of living before the people. Guru lives a very simple & selfless life. Their all activity is for service of this world. 
    Mohammad was a rapist. looter, pedophile & egoistic personality. He driven away & killed his own motherland's people when they did not acknowledge him prophet . He gave the massage in Quran 9.5 to his followers that they must kill the non-muslims (Mushriks) wherever they find them because they were not acknowledging him prophet.

  83. Jesus says:

    Supriya…why do you not answer my simple questions to you???…Can Guru's be narcissistic???? Yes or No.

    Hindu philosophy or theology is a dance around the truth, but it is infused with demons and bogeymen and DOES NOT hold enough depth to be of any use to modern man. It is an immature way to look at the world and Reality. It's time is up. It is a dead theology.

    You oh young Supriya, 15, make a very disastrous assumption for your self. You erroneously think Quantum Physics PROVES Hindu thought. It does not. It EXPOSED Hindu thought for the immaturity of its DESCRIPTIONS of Reality. Are you getting any of these Truths? Are they sinking in for you? Your Guru's are mad men just like Mohammed. They are imprisoning you and binding you to falsehoods. Not freeing you. If you don't become an abuser one day, then perhaps you will see the Truth.

  84. Christian Man says:

    you said Christians believe that Jesus paid full penalty for their sins. He allowed you to sin as much as you can because you are not going to reborn to pay for your evil deeds.  That's the reason why Europeans intruded India, massacred and converted people because they thought that Jesus had already paid for their horrible crimes. And therefore they were blind to sin.

    This  Bible verse addresses your question.

    Romans 6:11-15 declares, “In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!”

  85. Christian Man says:

    @Death of Science you imbecile fool should enlighten yourself by studying history more.  It was the inquisitors the papacy and ruling elite who prevented and made it illegal to study the Bible to commoners and publish scientific works not the other way around, they wanted to control all knowledge.
    Great men such as Issac Newton studied the Bible in secret.

  86. Christian Man says:

    Evil was not created by God but rebelled against god and went away from god.  Just like Adam and Eve did.
    God does not punish them they punish themselves by rebelling aginst god and following the flesh and worldly things they condemn themselves. 
    God and Jesus that commanded that to kill people in the new testament he thought us to love our neighbours it was over zelot fantic men who did these things.

  87. Christian Man says:

    Unlike hinduism that teaches each person is a portion of God or small part of God.
    The Bible teaches that God is within us because we are made in the image and likeness of God and the Kingdom of God is within us.
    "If I am saved and all of my sins are forgiven, why not continue to sin?"
    Answer: The apostle Paul answered a very similar question in Romans 6:1-2, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” The idea that a person could “trust in Jesus Christ” for salvation and then go on living just as he/she lived before, is absolutely foreign to the Bible. Believers in Christ are new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17). The Holy Spirit changes us from producing the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) to producing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). The Christian life is a changed life because the Christian is changed.

  88. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Your double standard: Your first statement ( 1 month back) is '' I do believe in the truths of Hinduism. They are inherent in nature.'' Your second statement ( now) is '' The truth is 180 degrees opposite of that of Hinduism.''
    Please quit lying. This does not suit you at the age of 50.
    //your understanding of wave function is very immature.//
    Perhaps. But You can't say Quantum Physicists who have approved of Hinduism and disproved Christianity are immature, Can you ? You can because you don't believe in their experiments and their intelligence.
    I hope best for you.

  89. Jesus says:

    Supriya…your understanding of wave function is very immature. You must mature some in your intelligence. Then you will understand the Truth. It is 180 degrees opposite of your current understanding. Or do you know everything at 15?

  90. Jesus says:

    Yes..Popes can be narcissistic?…I will ask you again, " Can Guru's be narcissistic?" I am waiting for you to answer at least one simple question? Well..Supriya…..Yes or No?

  91. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    Indians believe that each person is portion of God. He tends to sin when he lacks enlightenment OR when is not aware of his real identity. It's solution is to alter his consciousness,so he will think properly about his oneness with whole creation.
    Christians believe that Jesus paid full penalty for their sins. He allowed you to sin as much as you can because you are not going to reborn to pay for your evil deeds.
    That's the reason why Europeans intruded India, massacred and converted people because they thought that Jesus had already paid for their horrible crimes. He is savior and he will save their souls. And therefore they were blind to sin.

  92. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    //SIN: NO CONCEPT OF SIN AGAINST A HOLY GOD (OR VIOLATION OF 10 COMMANDMENTS)//
    Bible says mankind was separated from God when he disobeyed God in the garden. Because of this sin, a curse was placed on both MANKIND and NATURE.
    Many questions arise :
    1] Why did he create two opposite genders Adam and Eve ? 2] Why did he create devil and satan ? Why should MANKIND and NATURE pay for the sin of Adam And Eve ? 3] Why does your god Jesus punish people after death and not when they are alive?
    How could you refer to God as HOLY and RIGHTEOUS when sanctions : 1. torture and murder of heretics,pagans,witches,gays.

  93. Death of Science says:

    @Christian Man
    At the center of Christian Dark Ages stood the Bible. The fabricated compendium of garbled history , borrowed mythology, genocide conflict and pious platitude was elevated as the font of all wisdom, even as the bonfires set by Christian zealots reduced the science of a millennium to ash. In the new Christian tyranny all scientific thought which contradicted Bible was suppressed . If rationality and observation contradicted '' the revealed Word of God'' then it was rationality and the observer who were in error.

  94. Truth_seeker says:

    Christian Man,
    You are asking the right questions which shows you have started thinking and hence I would attempt to answer your questions.
    Prerequisite: Leave out what bible said or krishna or what George W Bush said. We will take the ideas and talk only using OUR OWN intelligence and what we know until today and what has the highest possibility of explaining the unique situation that Human beings find ourselves today. These ideas might get changed as we understand more, and that is the "truth_seeking" that Indian Philosophy talks about.

    1. ALSO TO ARGUE THAT OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IS TO ARGUE OBJECTIVELY THAT WE KNOW OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IMPLYING WE CAN TRULY SEE! THAT IS, IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SENSES TO DENY THE SENSES AND SAY THEY ARE DECIEVED, WHICH IS SELF DEFEATING. SAME W/ UNIVERSE – TO SAY IT’S ILLUSION YOU IMPLY YOU KNOW WHAT REALITY IS!

    => this statement ALSO TO ARGUE THAT OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IS TO ARGUE OBJECTIVELY THAT WE KNOW OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IMPLYING WE CAN TRULY SEE! THAT IS, IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SENSES TO DENY THE SENSES AND SAY THEY ARE DECIEVED, WHICH IS SELF DEFEATING. SAME W/ UNIVERSE – TO SAY IT’S ILLUSION YOU IMPLY YOU KNOW WHAT REALITY IS! is false. When we see a trick by a magician, say when he makes a woman disappear on stage, we know that it cannot be and its a trick but we may not be in a position to explain what it is unless we go and learn the magic and at that point it ceases to be magic. We as human beings are limited by the 5 senses but our sixth sense is strong enough to overcome the limitation. We need to use them to think through and arrive at solutions.

    2. HOW CAN IMPERSONAL GOD PERSONALLY ACOUNT IF YOU’VE DONE ENOUGH, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS THAT KEEPS RECORDS OF YOUR RIGHT/WRONG ETC AND KNOWS WHEN YOU’VE LIVED ENOUGH LIVES, DONE ENOUGH KARMA, ETC
    noone keeps track of your account other than yourselves. You have to understand karma to understand Indian thought which is filled with symbolism. The word has been shamelessly borrowed by the west and used inappropriately by the west without knowing what they are talking about. This is a vast topic but my effort to condense it is like this. The creation and all that you see is a vast space time continuum of energy which has manifested as matter. Manifestation is confinement. The goal of every manifestation is final dissolution in to the pure energy resevoir that it arised out of. This means that the lesser your entanglement with other material forms, the faster your dissolution could be. Note that this includes both "Good deeds" and "Bad Deeds". "deeds" done with out any motives as part of the rythm of the world doesnot get you further entangled is the general opinion of the sages but I am yet to realise this so I cannot comment on it.

    3. SALVATION THROUGH REINCARNATION SINCE IT IS ALL A PART OF THE SAME GOD?? WOULDN’T IT REQUIRE SOMETHING ‘DIFFERENT’ TO EFFECT ‘DIFFERENCE’ IN CHANGING?; God is personal and hence people are personal – like begets like; plus no one consistently lives out this principle, even Hindus treat people with more dignity than inanimate objects. 

    Indian philosophy is like this – Reincarnation is not necessary for salvation but a possibility when one does not become free of karma in his/her lifetime. This is the logical out come of the karma theory. We as part of the creation constitute the parts of God but are limited by our physical aspecsts. Ehat changes is the use of the intellect to grasp the reality of our existence and our human tendencies to gather things for oneself fades away and reality dawns that I am not different fom you. This is not an understanding like we simply type it out. I actually identify me and you as part of the same cosmic being and feel it. This is "moksha". moksha is one of the states in which matter can exist and is considered by the indian thinkers to be a good state to be in.

    4. SIN: NO CONCEPT OF SIN AGAINST A HOLY GOD (OR VIOLATION OF 10 COMMANDMENTS) DESIRE IS WHAT’S WRONG THE WORLD, IGNORANCE OF UNITY BRAHMAN IS WHY SOCIETY IS TROUBLED.

    Yes. There is no concept of Sin. There is not account keeper. There is no requirement to believe in any God. There is only one thing to understand "that Thou art" and all else fades away. There might be thousands of belifes and customs and moral lawas and conducts and all that finally leads to the same energy source. All these moral laws are subject time and space and have absolutely no significance for the supreme God from which we spring from. There is no Jesus who will come to judge and there is no accounts that will be read out and there is no eternal hell. Heaven and Hell are all righ here and they are the states of minds of people dong various kinds of deeds. Dont waste your time in the churches, try and find yourselves and be.

  95. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //Look around you Supriya right now…..What do you see?…EVERYTHING you see that is made by Man was FIRST designed by Man. Do you agree?…. Do you also agree that unless Man had not first designed it, then built it that it would NOT have existed? Yes or No? //
    I see RCC buildings around me right now. They are built by men using cement which is mixture of silica, clay,silt,water and other components. All these non-living components are made up of atomic and sub-atomic particles.
    // Now look at everything that was not made by Man. The tree, the flower, the dirt.//
    I agree with you that they are not made by man. But tree, flower, the dirt even man are also made up of atomic and sub atomic particles. This means the whole universe- living and non living things are made up of atomic and sub atomic particles.
    Quantum Physics says that the particles are nothing but waves. This means the whole universe is nothing but wavefunction.

    1] You said – The universe is an idea of God.
    Idea literally means thought. Thought does not exist OR thought is not reality. It is only imagination.
    But wavefunction really exists.
    2] You said- The universe is a design of God.
    Design literally means plan from which something may be made. Plan is also an imagination. It does not really exist.
    But wavefunction really exists.

    Christianity makes distinction between Creator and creation/universe.
    We know the law of conservation of energy – Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, although it can change it's form.It means it should have always existed. Hinduism states that the universe is manifestation of God.All living and non living things are pervaded by God.
    The truth is SOMETHING CAN NOT BE CREATED OUT OF NOTHING.It has to be already existing which gets manifested into something. So Creator can not create something out of nothing. Christians believe that only Creator existed before creation. So it should be Creator which manifests himself in the form of universe.
    It means all living and non living things are pervaded by God himself.
    We have proved that the universe is nothing but wavefunction. So God is wavefunction and not matter.

  96. slaveofprophet says:

    @XYZ
    At the time of creation only Allah was present. Allah created souls so that they could worship him.

  97. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //So you DON'T think scientist are narcissistic???// So you don't believe in experiments carried out by scientists ??? How about Popes, can they be narcissistic ???

  98. Truth_seeker says:

    Grace, 
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  
    The same was in the beginning with God.  
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.  
    In him was life;// 
    This means word and life was IN God, or contained withing God. Then How are you saying that the creation is different from God? 

    Now my second question: 
    When God said "let there be Light", where was He standing? To make it a bit more clear…Say I am a potter and I am the creator of pots. I have to stand on a terra firma (Earth) use some Raw materials (Clay, water) and create the pot. Now we can say the materials (clay and water) came out of God as he is omnipotent. Lets say thats the case. Now still there is the problem of where is the God standing. Now if you say that God lives in heaven, the natural question is "who created Heaven". This is like man cannot create the earth that he lives on…so the terra firma of the creator must precede him. 

    Now, to solve this conundrum, there is only one way…that is to say that God (or whatever it represents) manifested itself into the creation that we see and all that we see arond us is nothing but Him or it. This is the Indian Philosophy. Now you can see why your most "disturbing" problem of cow God and Snake God and Idols are no longer problems. When an Indian worships a cow, its the gentleness and selflessness that he worships not the cow itself. This is the reason that almost all Hindus revere Jesus as a great man who might have realized God but to say that he will come and save humanity is illogical and stupid. Christianity is a personality cult created around Jesus by his disciples to grab political power just like Islam. Islam tries to use the Sword, while Christianity used it some time ago but now they use love and money. In either case, they fail to answer questions and that is why they are false

  99. Truth_seeker says:

    Grace,
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
    The same was in the beginning with God. 
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
    In him was life;//
    This means word and life was IN God, or contained withing God. Then How are you saying that the creation is different from God?

    Now my second question:
    When God said "let there be Light", where was He standing? To make it a bit more clear…Say I am a potter and I am the creator of pots. I have to stand on a terra firma (Earth) use some Raw materials (Clay, water) and create the pot. Now we can say the materials (clay and water) came out of God as he is omnipotent. Lets say thats the case. Now still there is the problem of where is the God standing. Now if you say that God lives in heaven, the natural question is "who created Heaven". This is like man cannot create the earth that he lives on…so the terra firma of the creator must precede him.

    Now, to solve this conundrum, there is only one way…that is to say that God (or whatever it represents) manifested itself into the creation that we see and all that we see arond us is nothing but Him or it. This is the Indian Philosophy. Now you can see why your most "disturbing" problem of cow God and Snake God and Idols are no longer problems. When an Indian worships a cow, its the gentleness and selflessness that he worships not the cow itself. This is the reason that almost all Hindus revere Jesus as a great man who might have realized God but to say that he will come and save humanity is illogical and stupid. Christianity is a personality cult created around Jesus by his disciples to grab political power just like Islam. Islam tries to use the Sword, while Christianity used it some time ago but now they use love and money. In either case, they fail to answer questions and that is why they are false.

  100. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    In the beginning, God did not create evil but everything good and perfect.

  101. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Are you sane? So, do you mean that you and that Supriya fully agreed that those Hindu priests should bare their genitals and walked around the land of India naked, like a wild animal, without any consideration for the fact that there are young children and women at all?

  102. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I'm comparing you with a pig, not discriminating against it. Don't you know that I love all animals?

  103. Jesus says:

    ""Now look at everything that was not made by "GOD". The tree, the flower, the dirt……How intricate are they? Do you actually think that they became on their own?? Or were they first Designed? ""

    (Please note corrected typo from above. Should be "GOD" not Man)

  104. Jesus says:

    Now you can say that the Universe is infused with God…BUT it is NOT God… As you and I Are Infused by and with God, BUT we are NOT God!! Do you understand more now?

  105. Jesus says:

    Look around you Supriya right now…..What do you see?…EVERYTHING you see that is made by Man was FIRST designed by Man. Do you agree?…. Do you also agree that unless Man had not first designed it, then built it that it would NOT have existed? Yes or No?

    Now look at everything that was not made by Man. The tree, the flower, the dirt……How intricate are they? Do you actually think that they became on their own?? Or were they first Designed?

    What are your conclusions young Supriya??

  106. Jesus says:

    It is Good to think!!…You should do it more often!!…

    "It is much better to take the plank out your own eye then to highlight the splinter in your neighbor's eye" …Words well spoke, wouldn't you agree??

  107. Jesus says:

    Sorry Supriya…but I am not" Chriatian Man"…I am "Jesus".

    So you DON'T think scientist are narcissistic??? How about Guru's, can they be narcissistic???

  108. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    // This is the fundamental mistake all narcissistic and supremacist theologies make that is the seed of their eventual demise.//
    This is proved by experiments carried out by Quantum physicists. Scientists and physicists are not narcissistic . Only those who assume themselves over smart and all knowing are narcissistic. They tend to ignore all authentic evidences and stick to their false beliefs only to prove their wrong arguments true and that is the seed of their eventual demise.

  109. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //WE KNOW OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IMPLYING WE CAN TRULY SEE! THAT IS, IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SENSES TO DENY THE SENSES AND SAY THEY ARE DECIEVED, WHICH IS SELF DEFEATING//
    When you realize that you are deceived by your senses, then you become aware and detach and start finding who you are and what is this life and what is this universe.

    You have to reborn again to settle your karma account i.e. to equate your debit karma with credit karma so that balance sheet would be balanced.
    Don't fail to reply me.

  110. Supriya says:

    Jesus/christian man
    You should know fundamentals of Hinduism.
    Triguna i.e. 3 basic subtle components of sattva, raja, tama, are components of this divine creation.( Actually they are frequencies emitted by everything in this universe) . They permeate through all living and non living ,tangible, intangible things. Waves emitted by anything are dependent on it's predominant subtle basic component. This also influence the behavior of all things.The proportion of these components in human being can only changed by spiritual practices.
    These components are intangible and not physical/material in nature.1] Sattva component is the most subtle and intangible. It is nearest to the divinity. Hence it's predominance in a person is characterized by happiness,contentment, virtues like patience,perseverance,spiritual yearning,ability to forgive,serving the society and needy people with no expectatations or recognition or reward or any ulterior motive.
    2] Tama component is the basest of the three.It's predominance in a person is reflected by laziness,greed,anger,ego, attachment to worldly things etc. Tamasik man has no problem about stepping on others toes to get ahead or harming society.
    3] Raja component provides fuel to the other to subtle components ,that is to bring about the actions. So depending whether a person is predominantly sattvik or tamasik, raja component will bring about actions pertaining to sattva or tama.
    In brief Sattva means purity and knowledge ; raja means action and passion; tama means ignorance and inertia.
    Depending upon which one of these three subtle components is predominant within us, it influences how we : 1. react to situations 2. make decisions 3. make choices 4. live our lives.

    These 3 basic subtle components also make up the Pancha Mahabhut( 5 cosmic principles). They are pruthvi tattva- absolute earth , ap tattva – absolute water, tej tattva-absolute fire, akash tattva-absolute ether, vayu tattva- absolute air. These 5 cosmic principles are composed of 3 subtle components sattva,raja, tama in various proportions.
    Human being is also composed of 5 cosmic principles. Spiritual level of humans varies with the proportion of composition of these 5 cosmic principles and 3 subtle components.
    e.g. A saint/spiritual guru has 60% sattva, 30%raja, 10% tama
    Average person has 20%sattva, 40%raja, 40% tama
    Evil person has 5%sattva, 50%raja, 45%tama.
    Sattva,raja,tama determines spiritual level of a person. As we start doing spiritual practices tama starts reducing and sattva starts increasing within us. As we grow spiritually what happens is that ignorance begins to reduce and the soul( i.e. God) within us begins to illuminate.
    The soul which is God within us is beyond the 3 basic subtle components . Therefore the more the light of the soul is illuminated us through spiritual practices ,the less influence of the 3 subtle components in dictating our personalities, choices, deeds. In final stage of our spiritual growth when the light of the soul illuminates us completely,we live our life completely in unison with God's will i.e. oneness with all existence and understanding the whole as self and 3 subtle components are diluted and exert negligible influence on our personalities.
    The more sattva component , the better our personality and higher sustainable success and contentment in our career,lives, relationships.
    In every successive birth the composition of 3 subtle components changes with how we lead present life.

  111. Miss Vasumati says:

    /If you don't bother to exercise your brain to think, then you're like a pig./
    Who created pigs ? if it is your God ,then why he is discriminating between animals.After all humans have committed sin.Don't you think he is depriving equal right of thinking to these poor animal,even though they are sin-less?. Why you are killing and testing these brain less poor pigs? :p.

  112. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //The whole universe is NOT God. It is an IDEA or Design of God… // Please explain.

  113. Miss Vasumati says:

    /How about those groups of naked Hindu priests, dancing/
    They are not Adam and Eve ,who ate the able and committed the sin ,so they don't find any sin dancing naked.Who had given us cloth it is our creation ,otherwise we all would have walked with our natural dress.There are many places in the west people both man and woman walk and dance nakedly what about them:p

  114. Supriya says:

    NabiKabul
    //We can't explain many natural phenomenon such as soul, afterlife, near dead experience, quantum physics, etc… I just want to remind: do not make the same mistake our ancestor did. //
    Are you suggesting me? You are making the highest mistake by believing in that wicked Muhammad and his gang who raided Afghanistan, butchered men,raped women, killed children and forced them to embrace Islam.

  115. Supriya says:

    christian man
    I'll reply to rest of your points later but now it's your turn to answer my questions.
    I am eagerly waiting for your reply.

  116. Supriya says:

    Christian man
    //creatures are ACCOUNTABLE for the way we conduct OUR lives. //
    This is karma principle of Hinduism. As you sow so shall you reap in your next birth.

    Answer my question- if a person yearns for spiritual growth in his life and he dies without growing in spiritual aspiration. How will he grow spiritually if reincarnation in wrong ?

  117. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    If you start using your brain to think for a minute, you'll realized that besides the devil, sin is the one that caused all the untold miseries and sufferings on earth. So, I'm curious to find out if your cow god or elephant god or any of those naked Hindu priests enlighten you on this sin problem? By the way, is it an offence for a Hindu man or lady to be completely naked in public places? How about those groups of naked Hindu priests, dancing away in the full sight of young ladies, teenagers and even young girls? Do you think that this is sanity?

  118. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    //Hindus accept various forms of pantheism and reject the Christian doctrine of creation.//
    Quantum physics has approved the concept of God is pantheistic. Western schools have banned christian doctrine of creation.
    // NOTE ALSO DEVIL’S LIE: ‘YOU SHALL NOT DIE = REINCARNATION’;//
    First tell me why did god create devil and satan?
    If a man feels that he has not lived enough OR he has not done enough karma in his life and he wishes to complete his wishes after death, what does your creator God would suggest him?

    Reincarnation is much more logical than the one-life, heaven,hell philosophy. Each life is a learning experience. It explains why people of the world have different behavior . Even two brothers born in a family having same upbringing have different behavior.

  119. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    If you don't bother to exercise your brain to think, then you're like a pig. Why waste the pearls and throw it to a pig? Pebbles or stones or any nonsense will do because a pig can't think at all. Please note that if our loving perfect God executes full justice on earth according to His Godly standards and principles, there would be no Supriya on earth at all, not even my dear Ali.

  120. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    //BIBLE: MAN IS CREATED, DIE ONCE AND THEN COMES JUDGMENT//
    Your god should create healthy and happy men, should not ( if he is holy and righteous)?
    Answer : 1] Why some new born babies suffer from incurable diseases?
    2] Why some people are handicapped since birth?
    3] Why many people can't fulfill their basic needs?
    Your god has right to judge people only when he grants justice and same life to everyone.

  121. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //What you are is an IDEA of God.God is the Fulcrum that allows movement.Without movement their is NO material. Therefore, God Designs movement and then there is material. //
    You are saying you and me are material. Tell me how does God create material out of nothing. Indians believe that we are consciousness and not matter. The matter is only illusion.

  122. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I think that you're a narcissist.

  123. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //Am I still wasting pearl's?….Pearl's of wisdom// They are not pearls but pebbles and stones.
    You said- // conception of God as INFINITELY HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS//
    Infinitely holy and righteous god should grant everyone same intelligence, skills, comforts to lead life. But we find everyone is different from other. One is struggling but still he is not able to fulfill his wishes and another is leading very luxurious life without efforts. Don't you think that God lacks justice?

  124. Jesus says:

    Unfortunately, many are very simple minded and don't understand the spiritual allegory of most stories. It take intelligence to understand beyond ones ability. For many, It would be like you trying to explain Brahma to a 3 year old. Would that be easy for you? Or would it be the 3 year old needs to mature. Maturity always proceeds understanding. May you have Godspeed in your maturity!!

  125. NabiCabul says:

    Do not fall into the same mistake our ancestors did. When our ancestor saw lightning strike. They did not understand how electricity works. It doesn't fit their mind, so they assumed there must be God of Thunder. Now we know how lightning and thunder is made. No more God of Thunder.

    We can't explain many natural phenomenon such as soul, afterlife, near dead experience, quantum physics, etc… I just want to remind: do not make the same mistake our ancestor did.

  126. denialisnoproof says:

    actually hindus are never supremacist . it is christians who killed people in the name of inquisition . christians today are suffering the karma.

  127. denialisnoproof says:

    Most Narcissist think they are special , just like christians , but hindus believe there is divinity in everyone this can't be narcissist. Also killing a different person for ones own sin, crucifixion is also narcissistic. 

  128. Jesus says:

    Supriya, please read below…This is your fundamental mistake you are making. The whole universe is NOT God. It is an IDEA or Design of God…

  129. Jesus says:

    Supriya…I will tell you what or who is God. But first I will tell what is NOT God. You Supriya ARE NOT God!! This is the fundamental mistake all narcissistic and supremacist theologies make that is the seed of their eventual demise. What you are is an IDEA of God. God is the Fulcrum that allows movement. Without movement their is NO material. Therefore, God Designs movement and then there is material. But all movement will cease and therefore stop to be born again. You see there really has never been evolution, BUT there is constant transformation. Do you understand yet? Am I still wasting pearl's?….Pearl's of wisdom…….

  130. Jesus says:

    You are correct..the level of hubris is defeating and the illusory supremacy is destroying Hindu's. Humility and acceptance to Christ will be their savior.

  131. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

  132. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I wonder if you are an undergraduate or merely a 3 years old kid?

  133. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    "Let there be light". Light is energy.

  134. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Why are you repeating the same set of questions over and over again? Are you a mother parrot?

  135. Supriya says:

    Christian man/ Jesus, //Cf. Gen. 1:1 – distinction between God and material//
    So christianity says the creation of God is materialistic.

  136. Supriya says:

    Jesus,one more question: How does God create universe/creation out of nothing ( If creator is not creation)?You must know the law of conservation of energy- Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed?

  137. Supriya says:

    Jesus/ christian man
    Please answer my questions.
    According to you-Conception of God in Christianity is embodiment love and kindness.
    1] Why does God need to create the creation/universe?
    2] If God's motive is love and kindness then why are there suffering and misery in this universe?
    3] Don't you think that a loving and kind God ought to create only happy creatures ?

  138. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    I'll reply to all of your argument on the day after tomorrow because I am out of station ( Raksha-bandhan festival).
    You said – As stated by you that truth, peace, justice, morality is not absolute and can't be measured. //
    I said- truth,peace,justice,morality can't be measured and they are ABSOLUTE. Read my statement again.
    // There is no beginning or conclusion to creation//
    This is completely wrong. You don't know what are Satya yug and Kali Yug.

  139. denialisnoproof says:

    what is the shape of earth according to you  then? — flat?
     christians are worst casteist people on earth. eg — entire south america and africa . you will have your answer.

  140. denialisnoproof says:

    you christies found joy in burning women in the name of witchcraft that is your joy. 

  141. denialisnoproof says:

    yes convenient truth like earth is flat according to christians. you christians never seize to amaze me with your stupidity and arrogance that your religion is best.  

  142. denialisnoproof says:

    stop your nonsense , mohamad is nothing but child rapist.

  143. denialisnoproof says:

    devout christians drink blood of jesus. eg west bro baptist church.

  144. Christian Man says:

     -bible: God is not to be confused with His creation: if everything is illusion, then that statement is an 
    illusion and itself not true and hence should not be followed; again no Hindu lives this out – they look both 
    ways before they cross the streets. Cf. Gen. 1:1 – distinction between God and material/ Rom. 1 warns about 
    blurring lines of God and creation.; ALSO TO ARGUE THAT OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IS TO ARGUE OBJECTIVELY THAT WE KNOW OUR SENSES ARE DECEIVED IMPLYING WE CAN TRULY SEE! THAT IS, IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SENSES TO DENY THE SENSES AND SAY THEY ARE DECIEVED, WHICH IS SELF DEFEATING. SAME W/ UNIVERSE – TO SAY IT’S ILLUSION YOU IMPLY YOU KNOW WHAT REALITY IS!

     BIBLE: FIRST OF ALL – HOW CAN DIVINE FORGET ITSELF, PLUS IT’S IMPERSONAL WHAT IS THERE TO FORGET OF ‘ITSELF’? 
     NOTE: ‘YOU SHALL BE AS GODS’ ; HOW CAN PERSONAL ARISE OUT OF IMPERSONAL  2) NO PROOF OF PAST LIVES; WORKS SALVATION; ‘DIE ONCE AND THEN JUDGMENT’; HOW CAN IMPERSONAL GOD PERSONALLY ACOUNT IF YOU’VE DONE ENOUGH, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS THAT KEEPS RECORDS OF YOUR RIGHT/WRONG ETC AND KNOWS WHEN YOU’VE LIVED ENOUGH LIVES, DONE ENOUGH KARMA, ETC.; NOTE ALSO DEVIL’S LIE: ‘YOU SHALL NOT DIE = REINCARNATION’; IF BORN TO PAY OFF KARMA, WHY WERE YOU BORN FIRST TIME??!!   3) ENLIGHTENMENT – ‘SHALL BE AS GODS, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL’…BIBLE SAYS WE ARE BLIND TO SIN; NOT AN INTELLECTUAL PROBLEM BUT A HEART PROBLEM;

    BIBLE: If God (ultimate reality) is impersonal, then the impersonal must be greater than the personal. Our 
    life experiences reveal that the personal is of more value than the impersonal. Even Hindus treat their children as having more value than a rock in a field. IF BRAHMAN IS UNCHANGEABLE, THEN HOW CAN YOU HAVE 
    SALVATION THROUGH REINCARNATION SINCE IT IS ALL A PART OF THE SAME GOD?? WOULDN’T IT REQUIRE SOMETHING ‘DIFFERENT’ TO EFFECT ‘DIFFERENCE’ IN CHANGING?; God is personal and hence people are personal – like begets like; plus no one consistently lives out this principle, even Hindus treat people with more dignity than inanimate objects.

    MAN:  The eternal soul (atman) of man is a manifestation or “spark” of Brahman mysteriously trapped in the 
    physical body. Samsara, repeated lives or reincarnations are required before the soul can be liberated 
    (moksha) from the body. An individual’s present life is determined by the law of karma (actions, words, and 
    thoughts in previous lifetimes). The physical body is ultimately an illusion (maya ) with little inherent or 
    permanent worth. Bodies generally are cremated, and the eternal soul goes to an intermediate state of 
    punishment or reward before rebirth in another body. Rebirths are experienced until karma has been removed to 
    allow the soul’s re-absorption into Brahman.

     BIBLE: MAN IS CREATED, DIE ONCE AND THEN COMES JUDGMENT (HEB.  9:27), MAN IS NOT PART OF GOD, WHAT WAS CAUSE FOR FIRST BIRTH? BIBLE TEACHES RESURRECTION NOT REINCARNATION, MAINTAIN CONSCIOUS AND PERSONALITY AFTER DEATH, BODY IS MADE GOOD; HINDU- IF SELF IS ILLUSION MUST ALSO KNOW REALITY TO COMPARE SELF TO BUT THIS PROBLEM BE/C 
    THEN IT MEANS YOU HAVE REAL KNOWLEDGE THAT ISN’T ILLUSIONARY!!

    SIN: NO CONCEPT OF SIN AGAINST A HOLY GOD (OR VIOLATION OF 10 COMMANDMENTS) DESIRE IS WHAT’S WRONG THE WORLD, IGNORANCE OF UNITY BRAHMAN IS WHY SOCIETY IS TROUBLED

    Please reply to all of this if you have the courage and intelligence to do so.  I am eagerly waiting for your reply.

  145. Christian Man says:

    Hinduism lacks any understanding that God created this world for a good purpose. It is common for Hindus to speak of God bringing the universe into existence simply as a "playful" exercise of His power. 
    Hindus accept various forms of pantheism and reject the Christian doctrine of creation.
    According to Hinduism, Brahman alone exists; everything is ultimately an illusion (maya ). God emanated itself to cause the illusion of creation. There is no beginning or conclusion to creation, only endless repetitions or cycles of creation and destruction. History has little value since it is based on an illusion.  
    Creation is emanation from Brahman, everything else is illusion (maya),Brahman – impersonal, unknowable, (how can personality come out of non-personality?) the one impersonal, ultimate, but unknowable, spiritual reality/FORCE. MANY PERSONAL MANIFESTATIONS OR INCARNATIONS OF THIS FORCE 
    (VISHNU, KRISHNA, 330 MILLION GODS)

    Also lacking is a conception of God as INFINITELY HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS and as the One to whom we as His 
    creatures are ACCOUNTABLE for the way we conduct OUR lives.
    ******************************************************************************
    Supriya your statement reflects this 
    you said 
    Measurement is always relative and not absolute. 
    Can you measure these aspects? No. So truth cant be measured,Anand(joy) cant be measured, peace can't be 
    measured
    Hindus belive in the PHILOSOPHY OF RELATIVISM.
    ********************************************************************************* 
    As stated by you that truth, peace, justice, morality is not absolute and can't be measured. 
    ACCORDING TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF RELATIVISM EVERYTHING IS OK IF I ENJOY AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT DOING IT, SINCE TRUTH IS RELATIVE NOT ABSOLUTE.
    If i believe in this then.By the philosophy of relativism.
    I can say and i can believe and kill and rape and plunder and rob and burn widows (Sati).  Because i believe 
    that burning widows is a generational custom culture and is good and it works for me and society. And killing 
    raping and looting is OK in time of war in a warrior culture because it's relative to me and my society even 
    though it maybe wrong bad according to another society. This is the distorted philosophy of relativism.
    ***********************************************************************************

  146. Supriya says:

    Miss vasumati
    Scientific errors in Genesis which claims earth is flat, earth was created before sun.

  147. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    // Does anyone know what God does or who is God in these forums? //
    You are God. This whole universe is God. There are no boundary lines which can separate God and universe.The divine nature of universe is beautifully expressed in Isha Upanishad as – Om Purnamadah purnamidam purnamaday purnameva vashishtyate Om shanti shanti shanti
    Meaning : Om 'that' is completeness, 'this' is completeness; completeness arises from completeness; completeness is taken away from completeness; completeness added to completeness; then completeness alone remains; om peace peace peace.
    'that' refers to Supreme divine or God and 'this' refers to universe.

  148. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    My understanding of Maya : Maya is that which can be measured. Pancha mahabhut air water fire earth ether can be measured.Measurement is always relative and not absolute. e.g. If something weighs 6 kg on earth, it may weigh 1kg on moon. Both weight and size vary/change in various media like air,water,on other planet.So ''measure'' is ILLUSIVE. Your skin,bones,blood,cells are changing.Environment around you is changing.So the whole universe is changing. Therefore Jagat Mithyam meeans the universe is illusion.
    What is NOT maya- All that can't be measured is not maya.You cant say- 1kg of love, 5kg of peace, 10 kg of joy. Can you measure these aspects? No. So truth cant be measured,Anand(joy) cant be measured, peace can't be measured. All are aspects of Ishwara(Divine) or consciousness and are called Mayi.
    You body has weight and it can be measured.So you are also maya. Who are you then ?
    You are 5 aspects- 1. Asti means is-ness; . Bhati means knoledge,expression; 3. Preeti means love; Nama means name 5. Rupa means form.
    Matter has 2 aspects -Name and form.
    Consciousness has 3 aspects – is-ness means that it is; knowingness/expression means it knows and it expresses ; love means it is loving.
    This secret of the whole universe .
    Maya is not being aware of 3 aspects of consciousness. One is ignorant when he is caught up in Name and Form. We all are caught up in maya. Therefore we all are imperfect.But this is the reason why we all tend to grow to perfection.The life is movement from imperfection to perfection.A seed contains whole of the tree. But it has to cease to be seed to become a tree.The seed is not perfect.The sapling is not perfect.It has to cease to be a sapling to become a tree. In our life we can see everything is moving from imperfection to perfection. We all are moving from ignorance to Truth. And truth is Aham Brahmsmi- I am Brahma/cosmic person/God.

  149. Supriya says:

    Christian man/Jesus
    I have refuted your all claims.

  150. Supriya says:

    dssc7 This Jesus and Christian man is the same person and he is Indian protestant christian.

  151. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

  152. Miss Vasumati says:

    /In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. /
    I repeat my question once again for you ,what do you mean by the thing 'word' ,how you define it? and how it is different from the thing 'God' .
    Hinduism say's (and you come to know its existence by doing intense meditation) the whole universe covered by single energy and it is called Adi Shakti or original energy or static energy .Its materialistic form is dynamic energy.So we all consist of visible universe is the manifest form of that primordial static energy. Not only Hinduism say's this ,but also proves it on practical level. There is a reason to worship nature including animal and stone ,because it is the dynamic form of that single primordial energy. So indeed they are part of that single energy you guy's call it God.
    /Christians believe The kingdom of God is within us/
    You only believe ,it is not enough :Hinduism proves practically ; the whole of Universe is within us.
    /Your Hindu philosophy of Maya and multiple rebirth which you have stated is false . /
    Don't believe it ,but don't say it is false ,without any proof ?.

  153. Miss Vasumati says:

    /Because humans have only one life and are judged in the end by God./
    How come you know that ? do you have any proof .This world want proof and the philosophy of Hinduism is based on practical experiments and not on the 'son of God' myth.

  154. Christian Man says:

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
    The same was in the beginning with God. Christians believe The kingdom of God is within us we are made in Gods image and likeness, we are one with God and have the power of God thought Jesus the messiah and the holy spirit.
    Hindu philosophy teaches us that we are powerless at the mercy of nature which is false.  Hindus believe that everything including a stone has life
    Your hindu philosophy of Maya and multiple rebirth  which you have stated is false .
    You said Every soul descends from that universal soul   therefore it take birth repeatedly for innumerable period till it finds its real nature.Once it finds bliss of pure consciousness its journey comes to an end  
    this is false as you Hindus believe even animals have souls and humans can be reborn as animals and insects which is totally false.  Because humans have only one life and are judged in the end by God.

  155. Miss Vasumati says:

    /beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. /
    So word is different from God! .Do you mean to say that apart from God something called 'word' was existed 'independently' ?. What do you mean by the thing called 'word' and who has created it?.
    /All things were made by him;/
    This shows he was having a thinking mind, don't you think that you are endorsing Hindu belief everything created of Gods consciousness?.
    /In him was life/
    Again you are supporting Vedic philosophy ,like the concept of individual soul and the universal soul.Every soul descends from that universal soul .Since it is influenced by illusion (MAYA) therefore it take birth repeatedly for innumerable period till it finds its real nature.Once it finds bliss of pure consciousness its journey comes to an end .It reunites with the super soul (source) that is God.And to reach the pure bliss the only instrument is MEDITATION that's all.The westerners understood this small truth, so they are embracing the Vedic path for self-enlightenment. Therefore it is rightly said that ,everything is God ,visible and non-visible.The person who do not understand this profound truth is Greatest fool on this earth. Now you may know ,whether i am sane or you are insane :p

  156. Christian Man says:

    dssc7 fanatic Muslims like you know how to pull out and twist and Bible passages to confuse people prove that Islam is right.  But we all know that Islam is false.
    Because we know from evidence from your Quran about Mohammed's colorful character and his life story is fully documented.
    Unlike the False Evil prophet Mohammed the Biblical Old Testment prophets and the Messiah Jesus were not rapists and molesters who captured hundreds of women and girls in war and mass murderers and camel caravan raiders. robbers and thieves.  

  157. Christian Man says:

    Supriya has no logic or philosophy in her arguments she is just a brainwashed hindu fanatic.  Till now she had not responded to even one of my arguments.  She only knows how to copy paste from websites and put it "as her arguments on here" I asked her to explain to me the false erroneous Hindu belief of Maya that everything is an illusion and nothing exists in reality.  
    She failed to respond.  And just went on babbling and copy pasting from other websites.

    The 

  158. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    The same was in the beginning with God.
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

  159. Truth_seeker says:

    Grace,
    So you say that according to genesis which I have also read, God Created everything. I have one question here. What did he create out of? What was his raw materials? When he said "let there be light", where did light come from?

  160. dssc7 says:

    Dear all, There is no inherited sin and Redemption
    All prophets emphasize individual responsibility for all actions of every human being (Ezekiel 18:20, Deuteronomy 24:16, Matthew 16:27, Jeremiah 31: 29-30, II Chronicles 25: 4).

  161. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Supriya need to experience Jesus Christ in her life and the truth will set her free,

  162. Jesus says:

    Yes, Supriya is still a very petulant little child in need of a good spanking no doubt. Very confused and very programmed to a point of being mean spirited. I hope for the best, this one will have many trials in this life. So be it.

  163. dssc7 says:

    Jesus is not God
    1.I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Lord which hath sent me (John 5:30).
    2. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus, whom thou hast sent (John 17:3).
    3.My Lord, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them from my Lord’s hand (John 10:29).
    4. "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Lord; for the Lord is greater than I” (John 14:28).
    5.After Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19).

  164. dssc7 says:

    PASSAGES divine in the Bible
    Deuteronomy 4:1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these laws and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.

    Deuteronomy 4:1. Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you from the LORD your God. Just obey them.

    God is One God (monotheism), instead of the Trinity

    1.Prophet Moses (Musa peace be upon him) said:”You have been taught that the Lord alone is God – there is no other besides him” (Deuteronomy 4:35.). Listen, Israel: “The Lord is our God, the Lord is one”!( Deuteronomy 6: 4). “Look now; I myself am he! There is no god other than me! I am the one who kills and gives life; I am the one who wounds and heals; no one delivers from my power”! (Deuteronomy 32:39).

    2.Prophet David (Daud peace be upon him) said:”Therefore you are great, O Lord God, for there is none like you! There is no God besides you! What we have heard is true!” (Samuel 2 7:22). “ None can compare to you among the gods, O Lord! Your exploits are incomparable!” (Psalm 86:8).

    3.He (Prophet Solomon peace be upon him) prayed: “O Lord, God of Israel, there is no god like you in heaven above or on earth below! You maintain covenantal loyalty to your servants who obey you with sincerity (I Kings 8:23).

    4.The Lord said to Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him:” "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me (Isaiah 43: 10). I, I am the Lord, and there is no deliverer besides me” (Isaiah 43: 11). "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me” (Isaiah 44: 6). I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides me there is no god. I arm you, though you do not know me (Isaiah 45:5). “So all the world from east to west will know there is no other God. I am the LORD, and there is no other” (Isaiah 45:6). Remember what I accomplished in antiquity! Truly I am God, I have no peer; I am God, and there is none like me”(Isaiah 46:9).

    5. “Jesus answered, “The most important is: ‘Listen, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Mark 12:29).

  165. dssc7 says:

    Dear all,
    The holy book belongs to Christians, known as the Bible or the Bible (English: Bible, Germany: Bijbel) is the word of God. We, Muslim also have to believe it. The book consists of two parts, namely the Old Testament (OT) and New Testament (NT). In the Old Testament God said that the Bani Israel were very rebellious because they changed the holy book (read: The Book of Micah 3: 1-12 and Deuteronomy 31:27). As a result, this scripture became intermingled between divine truth and human errors which are written by people who are not responsible.Then the Bible should not be read with a doctrine that should be taken for granted that the Bible is certainly good and true, because God has given to every human intellect. Reason is what brings the gift (Proverbs 13:15). Without reason and ignorance lead to destruction (Proverbs 10:21). Use sense to test and refine the verses of the Bible the word of God and man-made passages. In accordance with the following command: "Test everything and hold good" (I Thessalonians 5: 2 1).

  166. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    You must be an old codger. You gave in like your self proclaimed god jesus could not save himself on the cross. Your jesus was myth. Bible is nothing but collection of ancient pagan stories.St.Paul introduced Mithra, the persian god as Christ because both St.Paul And emperor constantine wanted to rule the world in the name of this myth Jesus. Your ancestors were fooled by christian missionaries. Western world has realized this truth and therefore they are abandoning this myth jesus and coming to hinduism.
    You are expert in lying and it has exposed your true nature.
    You were an ignorant till the very moment. I am sure the evidences given by me have opened your closed eyes and mind. That's why your above comment shows your insecurity. I know it's very very difficult for you to accept and swallow the TRUTH. I am confident that one day you will awaken and your world will change 180 degrees.
    Jesus ,your messiah is within you and not that myth jesus.
    //I will no longer converse with you.// It's failure of christianity and not yours.
    //As Jesus said, "Do not throw pearls to pigs, for they do not know they are pearls"//
    Thanks for exposing true face of jesus. This reflects 1] Jesus was temped by pearls. 2] He had no compassion on that creature pig. That's the reason he said ,''believe in me or you will be tormented in hell.'' He was merciless self proclaimed god.
    This proves that there is no difference between that wicked muhammad and your merciless god (myth) jesus. And this is why there are many similarities between quran and bible,collection of pagan stories.
    Dr.Sina is right to say bible is filled with filth.

  167. Passive Observer says:

    Dear Dssc7.

    Jesus always speaks in parables. When he said " I am a good shepherd" he meant a good spiritual leader. He never tendered the sheep. He said 'You are the salt of the earth" He meant that we must add taste to the people in our society; We are not salt, we are human beings. Similarly he said "I came not to bring peace but a sword. He meant division in the families. Even in Christian families one is Catholic and one is Pentecost There is division. .When a husband is non spiritual and wife choose to follow Jesus, there is division. Imagine if your sister or daughter accepts Jesus what an agony you will undergo There is division in your family..You will never see your sister/daughter  again.Jesus did not have any division among his disciples but he predicted. Today there are 60,000 divisions in the churches and millions of families  are divided over Jesus. Have you read Mathew 26:52. Jesus said "Put your sword back into your place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword" Peace.

  168. Passive Observer says:

    Leviticus 20:21 says: "If a man takes his brother's wife it is an unclean thing. He has uncovered his brother's nakedness.They shall be childless. Please do not misquote scriptures.

  169. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Supriya has been worshiping her cow god since birth and that's exactly the reason why she is as stubborn as a cow. Worst still, her young mind is totally brainwashed by Hinduism to the point of no return. In her eyes, watching a group of naked Hindu priests dancing in the Ganges River is perfectly alright for her or any women or kids. Besides that, she advocates that worshiping a cow or an elephant or a rat or a cobra or a monkey is total sanity and never insanity. So, it doesn't matter if she is educated or uneducated or all. It all boils down to her IQ and I'm surprised that she claimed to be an undergraduate. I think that her IQ must be quite low and she need to go for an IQ test to find out the truth. 😛

  170. Jesus says:

    Supriya, why did you not answer my question of your age? Are you ashamed of your age? Do you think at your tender young age you KNOW everything? You have done well in your programming. You are good at parroting what you have been told and studied. Do you not yet KNOW that you cannot experience Truth form a book or a Guru? You defensiveness has blinded you to the Truth. Hinduism is a dead rotting entity. It's time is up. It's time for a new cosmology. Supriya I sincerely wish you the best in your studies. IF Truth is your goal, then I feel confident that you will someday awaken and yuor world will change 180 degrees. Either way, I hope for the best for you. I will no longer converse with you. As Jesus said, "Do not throw pearls to pigs, for they do not know they are pearls"

  171. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    It is banned because of the Big Bang theory. There is no limit to human stupidity. They choose to believe in a man made theory than the ultimate truth.

  172. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Erwin Schrodinger ,an Austrian Quantum Physicist wrote in his book Mein Weltansicht – '' This life of yours which is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in certain sense the whole;only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This as we know, is what the Brahmins express in that sacred mystic formula which is yet really simple and clear; Tat twam asi means This is you; and again in such words as'' I am in the east and in the west ;I am above and below;I am in this entire world.''

    He wrote in his book What is life -1] '' Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.''
    2] '' The stage of human development are to strive for Dharma,Artha,Kama,Moksha.''
    3] '' Moksha is a state of pure blissful knowledge.It has nothing to do with individual.The ego or it's it's separation is an illusion.The goal of man is to preserve his karmas and to develop them further.When man dies his karmas live and create another carrier.'' This quote clearly demonstrates Schrodinger's firm belief in Reincarnation.

    He wrote in his book My view if the world – ''There is no kind of frameworks within which we can find consciousness in the plural;this is simply something we construct because of this temporal plurality of individuals;but it is a false construction Maya. The only solution to this conflict so far as any available to us at all lies in the ancient wisdom of the UPANISHAD.''

    The biographer Walten Moore wrote in his book A Life of Erin Schrodinger – 1] '' The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in unity and continuity of ave mechanics.In 1925,the world view of Physics as a model of a great machine composed of separating interacting material particles.During next few years,Schrodinger and Heisenberg and their followers created a universe based on superimposed inseparable waves of probability amplitudes.The new view would be entirely consistant with the VEDANTIC concept of '' ALL IN ONE''.
    2] ''His systems or that of the Upanishad is delightful and consistent;the self and the world are one. He rejected traditional Abrahamic religious beliefs( Jewish,Christian,Islamic) not on the basis of any reason, nor even with an expression of emotional antipathy but simply by saying that they are naive.''
    3] '' In an essay on ' Determinism and Free Will' he expressed very clearly the sense that consciousness is unity arguing that this insight is not new.From the early great Upanishad , the recognition Atma = Brahma( the personel soul equals the omnipresent, all comprehending eternal self) was in Indian thought considered ,far from being blasphemous, to represent the quintessence of deepest insight of all scholars of Vedanta was,after having learned to pronounce with their lips,really to assimilate in their minds this grandset of thoughts.''

    ;

  173. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Really? If you really understand Science and Quantum Physics like me, you wouldn't be so dumb as to worship that cow god or elephant god or snake or rat or monkey god, for goodness sake. Instead, you'll worship only the true and living God Who is the Creator of this vast Universe and also, yours truly. 😉

  174. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    The tale of Creator and creation( the foundation of christianity) is banned from U.K. schools. http://www.iskconnews.org/creationism-banned-from-uk-sch...

  175. Supriya says:

    Grace, We all know you can't understand science and quantum physics ever.

  176. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    //Your defenses are quite immature// This is one of arguments of those who are failed.
    // keep searching if Truth is your goal.// My goal is to awaken YOU.
    // It is an old dead myth that no longer is relevant. // intelligent and smart westerners are abandoning self proclaimed prophet and are embracing Hinduism
    // They are old prophets that have only taken us do far.// These old prophets told the universe is manifestation of God. And your self-proclaimed prophet distinguished God and universe.

  177. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    You suggested me to see the movie ' the passion of christ''. I suggest you to see the film '' What the Bleep Do We Know ?''
    This movie has been described by New Agers as the answer to 'the passion of christ''. This movie narrates the strong connection between quantum physics and consciousness. The ideas discussed in this movie relate to Non-dualism of Hinduism.Ideas : 1] The universe is constructed from thought rather then from substance.2] Empty space is not empty.3] Matter is not solid. 4]Beliefs about who one is and what is real are a direct cause of oneself and of one's own realities.5] Peptides manufactured in the brain can cause a bodily reaction to emotion. The theme of this movie – We create our own reality.

  178. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    I remember two months back we both were discussing and YOU proposed -1] Quantum physics has proved the existence of God . 2] Everything in this universe is in state of superimposition of wavefunctions. 3] When observer observes , the wavefunctions collapse and it gives rise to particles and then the observer can see the object. 4] the universe is nothing but an illusion and consciousness is the foundation of this universe.
    Now you are saying Quantum physics is just a theory. It makes you liar.
    I also remember that you told me you have earned P. G. in Physics and are learning artificial intelligence. Therefore I gave you evidence of NASA which has decided to use Sanskrit language as Computer language.
    I think an intelligent person like you should be open-minded. I can't expect the same from this Grace but I hope you will be open-minded and not narrow minded.

  179. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    If you are really matured person, then answer my simple question. How does message of Jesus help you attain enlightenment ?
    Let me tell you how Hinduism guides a person to attain enlightenment : The deep meditation refines the intellect and expands it to realize the supreme soul that dwells in every being. It is meditation which can lift us from the mundane existence (Prakriti) to attain one's true self ( Purusha) or the inner consciousness which is nothing but the manifestation of the Divine Self( God) or cosmic reality.
    Here is one verse from Isha Upanishad – '' As is the human body so is the cosmic body; as is the human mind so is the cosmic mind ; as is the microcosm so is the macrocosm; as is the atom so as the universe.''
    I know you are completely ignorant of truths of Hinduism and therefore you are denying the fact that Hinduism can serve you to know the truth . But don't worry I'll keep enlightening you ( afterall our ancestors are one and you are one of my blood relatives, You can't deny this truth, can you ? ).

  180. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Even a teenager can understand that the person who says- I am God and you are sinner, believers will enjoy in heaven and non believers will suffer in hell is NOT a God.

  181. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Supriya is in her early 20s and yet, she can worship cow god, elephant god, king cobra god, etc while at the same time believes that Quantum Physics can make sense of her belief.

  182. Jesus says:

    Supriya…may I ask how old you are? Are you a teenager or an early twenty something? Your defenses are quite immature. You must be young. No worries. keep searching if Truth is your goal. You will find it and it will lead you away from Hinduism. It is an old dead myth that no longer is relevant. Quantum Physics is a theory, JUST like your old myth. It does NOT explain ALL natural phenomenon. Only Jesus knows that…..and a few others… You see Supriya, your old enlightened ones of the old myths like Hinduism are being produced daily into today's world…The old myth makers of Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Would have thought a plane was a chariot of the Gods… They are old prophets that have only taken us do far…time to let them die like they should. Godspeed young Supriya.

  183. cchuckc says:

    @dssc7
    I think you want to miss the points I have raised. The university mentioned doesn't exist, the family name 'Upadhyay' isn't Bengali, the institute to which the Bengali translator apparently was a Director doesn't exist. And the English book itself the conclusions are all wrong, the usage 'Narshangsha' in AV 20:127:1 is an adjective not a noun and the same usage is found in RV X:64:3 and there it is not in future tense (something the author of that English text keeps on stressing).

  184. Supriya says:

    dssc7
    If Pandit Vedaprakash Upadhyay claimed that Muhammad is kalki avatar then why did not he convert to Islam?
    He is a moron. We Indians don't heed attention to him. You need not to worry about his petty claim rather you should worry of those Muslims who are losing their valuable lives in the name of this fake religion Islam.

  185. dssc7 says:

    What do you think of this, Ms Supriya. Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, a Hindu professor, in his stunning book Kalki Avatar claims that the description of Kalki Avatar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion matches the personality of Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-slideshow/se

  186. dssc7 says:

    Thank you very much for your correction. His name is not Benda Prakash Upadhai, but Vedaprakash Upadhyay. Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, a Hindu professor, in his stunning book Kalki Avatar claims that the description of Kalki Avatar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion matches the personality of Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-slideshow/se

  187. pran says:

    Dear Jesus, You may hear Dr.John Heglen about quantum Physics and VEDAS (www.maharishi.org)

  188. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Nobel prize winner Quantum Physicist Werner Heisenberg's quote : '' After the conversations about Indian Philosophy, some of ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy, suddenly made much more sense.''

  189. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Your claim that Science has made Hinduism irrelevant is easily refuted here.This link approves the Advaitavad ( non-dualistic philosophy) of Hinduism. http://www.en.wikiversity.org/wiki/God/Nils/God_and_Quan...

  190. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Why did not you dare to know what New Age movement is all about ? Open the links given by me. And also read how christians are worried of those westerners who are praising and practicing Indian philosophy.
    // Science has made Hinduism irrelevant any longer as Greek Mythology is irrelevant.//
    Quantum Physics has proved that Hinduism is true and it has disproved christianity.
    I'll talk to you later.

  191. Jesus says:

    Supriya….will the Tit-For-Tat with youtube videos of Hindus rejecting the myths and accepting Jesus suffice for you? …NO, then you must continue on in your defense of a dead myth called Hinduism. The world is in need of something superior than a time described by demons and entities that came before science. Science has made Hinduism irrelevant any longer as Greek Mythology is irrelevant. Your defensiveness is blaring to us all who have taken the next step up. Keep convincing yourself that a dead myth is still relevant in today's world. If it was potent, then India would not be the third world country it is…..Hinduism is irrelevant and impotent. I wish you Godspeed.

  192. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Watch following video-clips. These clippings will help you to know how jesus worshippers are fascinated by Hinduism.
    1 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyIhllTz_Fo
    2 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVxukRWqDqU
    3 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=549mT-vU1Vk

  193. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Dr. Sina said Bible is not word of God. It is collection of Pagan stories. It was written decades after death of Jesus.
    He is philosophically Hindu because he believes in 1. Reincarnation 2. holographic universe 3. advaitvad( non-duality).
    // I hope you find it//
    I am born Indian , Mr. Jesus. I know spiritualism, enlightenment ( moksha) from childhood.
    I hope you will be successful in finding it.
    //It has served its time and use and now must fade away //
    Indian philosophy of spirituality has served and will serve for eternal time. Westerners( born christians) in droves are practicing Indian spiritualism in their life.
    New age movement is a western spiritual movement that developed in the second half of 20th century. It's goal is '' drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology.'' http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/704347/New-Age...
    Read following how christians are reacting http://www.bibleprobe.com/new_age.htm http://www.equip.org/articles/the-new-movement-what-is-i...
    New age movement is westrn expression of classic monistic Hinduism called Vedanta.

  194. Supriya says:

    dssc7
    Your claims are refuted by cchuckc. Socrates was not muslim. Your Allah says that don't believe in kafir. Why do you muslim believe in science of westerners ? You should believe in Quranic science which is full of scientific errors.
    Your above comment shows that you have no compassion on the helpless girls who are raped by these fanatic pedophiles. http://www.islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/Jihad-against-...

  195. joeb1 says:

    Dear Ali Sina,
               This is the introduction to previous post..
               I would like to say thank you for sharing your insights and would like to share you are spot on..  Jesus was an amazing advanced soul whose life is an example to us all..   Now, we find ourselves in a world where we are aware of quantum, holographic universe and the discussion of multiverses,, Surely we discuss the possibility(s) of the miracles that Jesus was reported to have performed?

  196. JoeB1 says:

    The bible at best is a historical guide that offers us clues as to what was said and what has happened.  For those who confront me with the bible,
                    i first ask if they believe in jesus?…
                    I then direct them to the words of Jesus ie  "I am the truth and the way, no-one goes to the father except through me"  
                    Any further discussion about what is in the bible is limited to the parables of Jesus. My reasoning is "How can we make sense of anything else in the bible if we cannot understand the most simplest of stories?"

    For me, Jesus opens up a path through Love which can best be understood once we practice Love..  When we practice the examples set out in the parables we then start to experience the "Living word" ..  As our hearts and minds being to resonant with the frequency of Love.. When in this heightened state, it is like there is a portal that opens to higher consciousness.
    I believe that we should embrace the “love mohammad” blog that Ali Sina wrote some time back..  It is a challenge that clears any blockages that may exist if we hold on to any negative emotions.
    Thank you once again Ali Sina, your words and thoughts make this a better world
    Thank you and wish you all God’s blessings for which you are most worthy of
    And here is a thought that I would like to share from a book called a course in miracles
    I am as God created me.
    We will repeat today's idea from time to time. For this one thought would be enough to save you and the world, if you believed that it is true. Its truth would mean that you have made no changes in yourself that have reality, nor changed the universe so that what God created was replaced by fear and evil, misery and death. If you remain as God created you fear has no meaning, evil is not real, and misery and death do not exist.
    Today's idea is therefore all you need to let complete correction heal your mind, and give you perfect vision that will heal all the mistakes that any mind has made at any time or place. It is enough to heal the past and make the future free. It is enough to let the present be accepted as it is. It is enough to let time be the means for all the world to learn escape from time, and every change that time appears to bring in passing by.
    If you remain as God created you, appearances cannot replace the truth, health cannot turn to sickness, nor can death be substitute for life, or fear for love. All this has not occurred, if you remain as God created you. You need no thought but just this one, to let redemption come to light the world and free it from the past.

  197. Gopal Shandilya says:

    @Jesus & Grace
    Hie …both you just go through these links :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtvjuoxRIU :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtvjuoxRIU ……..See how Arabs and Europeans have become mad about cow worshiping Hindus .No one interested in the myth and helpless miracle man on the cross and that thug Mohammed 😮

  198. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Awesome comment! Please heed his advice, Ms Supriya. It is pointless to indulge yourself in worshiping all kinds of mythology and animal gods. They can't save your soul. Only Jesus Christ has the key to life.

  199. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Only mentally insane people like you worship animals like god and not me.

  200. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Please mind your words. You are mentally insane and not me.

  201. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    You should worship the great Creator God and not any of His creation.

  202. dssc7 says:

    I can not open the website, but you can open the website below. InsyaAllah. http://historyofislam.com/contents/the-post-mongo…. Before answering your question, I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test" by Socrates.

    "Triple filter?"

    The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell him is true?"

    If you you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about him something good?"

    "You want to tell me something bad about him, but I am not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of usefulness. Is my answer about him going to be useful to you?"

    "If what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why do you want to know my answer?"

  203. cchuckc says:

    @dssc7
    //That is not lie, Ms Supriya. Open and read it. MUHAMMAD in the VEDAS and the PURANAS //
    It is a definite lie invented by the fertile Muslims who will clutch to any straw to prove the divinity of their religion. Here are the OBVIOUS considerations:
    1. Assuming this to be true do you accept that the Vedas and Purans are of divine origin? And therefore they are worth following as a divine scripture?

    2. Have you verified that whether there is a Prayag University in Allahabad? The citation in your link reads: "RESEARCH SCHOLAR, SANSKRIT PRAYAG UNIVERSITY". There is a Prayag Sangeet Samiti in Allahabad, but no Prayag University!! Some people informally did refer to Allahabad University as Prayag Visvavidyalaya since Prayag is the ancient name of Allahabad. But never in a formal scholarly paper will you see a colloquial (and now forgotten) name being used. So does this person even existed?

    3. Here is what you presented from a user called JaiHind from some forum. Note what is in bold.
    Amazingly, the author of this book is a fair-minded, famous professor who happens to be a Hindu. His name is 1. Pandit Benda Prakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is Kalki Avatar. The author is a Hindu Brahmin by caste of 2. Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the Truth and a well-known Pandit in Allahabad University. After years of research work, 3. Pandit Vedaprakash published this book and eight other pandits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.
    Now note the change in name from 1 to 3 (Benda becomes Ved), note also the use of 'pandit' instead of 'Dr' seen in the citation you have linked to and finally, Upadhyays aren't Bengali. It is a common Hindu Brahmin surname found mostly in north India (Mostly UP, Uttarakhand and MP) and Nepal, but never in the Eastern parts of India (not even in Bihar which is adjacent to UP, certainly never in Bengal).

    4. In the second part of the Citation you have linked I find the mention : EX. DIRECTOR, SANSKRIT ACADEMY HOWRAH. Now there is no Sanskrit Academy in Howrah, West Bengal. In fact there never was. So what was this person directing?

    5. And finally in the English Book by that name that is available in scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/53691335/Thesis-Muhamma
    , in the very first chapter we find (page 5) the first mantra of the Atharvaveda, canto 20, section127. In this mantra, a future tense is used in mentioningthe coming of Narashangsa.
    Now here is an English translation of AV, Book 20, Chapter 127 <a href="http://(http://sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av20127.htm):” target=”_blank”>(http://sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av20127.htm): Listen to this, ye men, a laud of glorious bounty shall be sung. Thousands sixty, and ninety we, O Kaurama, among the Rusamas have received.. The chapter is in the praise of King Kaurama. There is no mention of this hypothetical Narshangsa in the whole chapter and in the first verse it has been correctly translated 'lauding the glorious man (Indra or Agni)'.

    6. Narashangsha also appears in RigVed X:64:3 and NOT IN FUTURE TENSE: http://sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10064.htm

    So when we consider these last 5 points what do we get? Unraveling of a Muslim hoax!! :*
    Try again. best of luck.

  204. Jesus says:

    @ Supriya…..did you NOT read Mr. Sina's essay that you are commenting on? He has accepted Jesus. Do you know what that means? Re-read his essay and then come back and we will talk. I know that Hinduism is not enough for you, it is just normal to move beyond its limits and mythology. It has served its time and use and now must fade away like the Norse, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, etc, etc, mythologies have. Time is up, the sooner you accept Jesus and his message the sooner you will find relief and grow….Your defense is quite enlightening to all of us who read it. I know you are searching. I hope you find it.

  205. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    German Quantum Physicist Michael Konig said – Consciousness is the center of universe from which everything is developing. It was found by the ENLIGHTENED ONES and MYSTICS of ALL THE TIME by INNER EXPLORATION of their consciousness. In accordance with the traditional INDIAN PHILOSOPHY our entire universe exists out of three primary areas the material cosmos, the afterworld, and the heaven ( God, Light world). Through SPIRITUAL PRACTICES , a person can develop a light body and ascend to higher realm of consciousness. On earth there will be GOLDEN AGE( Satya Yuga) in the future based on the association og Spirituality and Science( Vedic religion) .
    He further added- God is higher dimension of consciousness consisting of energy, love and informtion in the center of our multiverse. From this center the Eta- particles ( basic light quantum) flow and form the heaven, afterworld, material world. As per the teachings of HINDUISM at the end of time( Kali Yuga) everything flow back into God and after sometime of rest the dance of SHIVA ( ne Satya yuga) starts again. But it will take an eternity, until everything dissolves into God. Until then, we can liveas happy souls, if we prefer this.

    Jesus was not only enlightened person. Thousands of Hindu sages attained enlightenment through spiritual practices and they knew the truth of life. They said that the one who wishes to attain enlightenment can attain it ( unlike your Jesus who said you will get life through me)

  206. Supriya says:

    Phoenix
    Indians believe that all creatures including humans are divine and are worshiped. The universe is manifestation of God. The foundation of this universe is consciousness but there are different levels of consciousness possessed by different types of animal species.

  207. Supriya says:

    dssc7
    Here is the true history of brutal invasion of Islam on Indonesia .www.historyofjihad.org/indinesia.html
    Your ancestors were forcefully converted to Islam by barbaric middle-eastern muslims and you are proud of them. Answer my question: Don't you have compassion on the 9 year old girl who was raped by Khomeini ?

  208. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Rational and intelligent Dr. Sina also believes in Reincarnation which is one of the important tenets of Hinduism.
    This mentally insane Grace has told me that reincarnation has nothing to do with christianity. It approves my above statement Dr. Sina is philosophically Hindu and not christian.

  209. Supriya says:

    XYZ
    With the use of Carbon-dating, Science has proved that the age of the Earth is billions of years. Genesis also claims that 1] Earth is flat 2] Earth was created before Sun.
    I know this mentally insane Grace knows nothing about Carbon-dating.

  210. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Isn't it true that Hindus worship cow god, elephant god, king cobra, rats and monkeys in India? I'm just curious about their religious worship and questioned their practice and you call this 'insult'? Don't you know that I only insult lies and love truth? 😉

  211. Supriya says:

    dssc7
    I said both Pandits are mentally insane. There are no similarities between Islam and Indian philosophy of spirituality.
    Every one knows that most important policy of muslims to spread Islam is : Either convert to Islam or face the sword.
    The barbaric Arabian intruders raided many lands, butchered men, raped women , killed children to convert them forcefully to Islam. There are many verses in Islamic texts which encourage barbarians to commit these horrible crimes. Consequence of their wrong karmas are found in every Islamic countries – massacre, bloodshed, bombings. Poor innocent muslims are victims of this religion Islam.
    Pakistani muslim jihadists attacked Mumbai on 26 Nov. 2008 and killed more than 165 innocent people. These pakistanis don't know that their ancestors were forced to embrace Islam. Look at their condition. There are 2 or more bomb explosions take place everyday which kill innocent people. A muslim is enemy of other muslim( not christian or hindu).
    I am not christian. I don't know what Mathew says or not.

  212. Phoenix says:

    Grace

    You don't argue at the level required on this blog.You insult everyone who disagrees with you.Your posts contain zero rational content.
    I won't attempt to psychoanalyze you but could you at least take some time off and educate yourself more,then come back?

  213. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    //We Indians believe that every person can attain enlightenment by practicing deep meditation/Yoga/breathing techniques.Thousands of Hindu sags attained enlightenment.// Do you mean that you could easily attain enlightenment just by sitting beneath the Bodhi tree and dream, dream , dream or just simply practicing breathing in and breathing out technique like a sperm whale in the deep blue sea?

  214. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Do you also worship cobra and even rats as god? I'm really interested to find out if you have ever kiss a cobra in your life because it is your god? Is it true that Indians believe that your past dead relatives are reincarnated to be rats in this life, that's why you have a rat temple in India where you dine with them and pamper them like a god? Do you also worship monkeys like god too? I can't imagine that you would kiss those naughty monkeys like a god.

  215. dssc7 says:

    You said: The policy of muslims: either convert to Islam or face the sword? No, but yesus said in Mathew 10: 34-36.

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

    Islam came to Indonesia peacefully.
    http://historyofislam.com/contents/the-post-mongo

  216. dssc7 says:

    That is not lie, Ms Supriya. Open and read it. MUHAMMAD in the VEDAS and the PURANAS .https://sites.google.com/site/amininbox/drvedprakashupadhyaya

  217. Supriya says:

    Jesus
    Dr. Sina believes in holographic universe( illusion which means Maya) and Advaitavad ( non-duality) philosophy of Indian spirituality. He is philosophically Hindu. He said 'I love Jesus but I am not Christian.'
    You Christians believe that only Jesus attained enlightened and his followers can't attain enlightenment and they have to believe that Christ is their savior. We Indians believe that every person can attain enlightenment by practicing deep meditation/Yoga/breathing techniques.Thousands of Hindu sags attained enlightenment.
    Adi Shankaracharya, proponent of non-duality said- Brahma satyam , Jagat mithym means God is the only truth and the world is an illusion. Everything that is changing , everything which measurable is Maya. Pancha mahabhut : Air, Water, Fire, Earth, Ether are changing constantly and therefore they are Maya. God is the only truth and a Yogi can see this.
    Many Quantum physicist believe in Indian philosophy of spirituality.

  218. Supriya says:

    dssc7
    I am Ms. Supriya from India.
    Your ancestors were survived because they did not want to lose their lives.They were forced to embrace Islam.[ The policy of muslims:Either convert to Islam or face the sword]
    // Why are so many Hindus converting to Islam ?//
    This is lie. Ancestors of Indian muslims were forcefully converted by barbaric Arabian intruders in medieval age. Now they are retuning back to Hinduism.
    Both Pandits are mentally insane and therefore Indians don't heed attention to their moronic claims.
    Don't you have compassion on the 9 year old girl who was raped by Khomeini ?

  219. Jesus says:

    Mr. Sina you are correct. The only thing that is real is Mind. God Mind. Because it is constant, whereas the physical world is constantly changing. Therefore all things that change are illusion and all things that do not change are real. You see Jesus has been the only person to ever reach complete cosmic consciousness. He achieved this during the 40 days and 40 nights in the desert. His awakening was complete. He came as an icon to people NOT an idol. He is the for-bearer or where all humanity will be someday. When that happens, Earth will roll off to the Mars orbit and Venus will have rolled into the Earth orbit and the Man Idea will be born again on Venus. This is what Jesus knew. All of this has happened before. Nothing man has ever made did not First begin as an Idea, just as the Universe was first an Idea of God. Therefore, ALL physicality are children of God. It is all Created by the Master Playwright. From the Setting to the Actors. God is the Master Playwright, Jesus knew this cosmically. We will all know this cosmically in due time.

  220. dssc7 says:

    Hay Mr Supriya, are you javanese, because your name is a Javanese name, which means a survived man.
    Well, your explanation about Hindu teachings are very interesting. The article written by Mr Jai Hind below are also very interesting. What do you think of it?
    Why are so many Hindus converting to Islam ?
    Jai Hind 7/23/2005 6:22:35 PM
    One Indian Hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that the description of Avatar found in the holy books of Hindu religion is in fact that of the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). If the author of this book were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have even been murdered and all the copies of his book would have been confiscated. Even a ban would have been slapped on its publication. A riot and violence would have broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have been shed.

    Amazingly, the author of this book is a fair-minded, famous professor who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pandit Benda Prakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is Kalki Avatar. The author is a Hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the Truth and a well-known Pandit in Allahabad University. After years of research work, Pandit Vedaprakash published this book and eight other pandits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.

    According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the Guide and the Leader, named Kalki Avatar, fits only the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should not wait any longer for the arrival of Kalki Avatar (the spirit) and should readily accept Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) as Kalki Avatar.

    NEVER ENDING PAIN What the author and other eight eminent pandits say is that the Hindus who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of Kaki Avatar are simply subjecting themselves to a never-ending pain, because such a great messenger has come and gone from this world fourteen centuries ago.

    Pandit Vedaprakash produces the following sound evidence from the Vedas and other holy books of the Hindu religion in support of his claim:
    1. In Purana (a holy book of the Hindus), it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger (prophet) of God in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings.

    2. According to Hindu religions prediction of the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an isle which, again according to Hindu religion, is Arab region.

    3. In the books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are givenas Vishnubhagat and Sumaani respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names, we shall come to a very interesting conclusion, e.g. take Vishnubhagat: Vishnu (meaning god) + Bhagat (meaning slave) = Allah (in Arabic) = Slave of God = Abdullah (in Arabic). Sumaani = Peace or Calmness = Aaminah (in Arabic).

    4. In the religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned the staple diet of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olive and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the Region. Without any doubt, the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.

    5. It is stated in Vedas (Hindu holy book) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honourable clan. This perfectly fits only with the clan of Quraysh to which Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) belonged. DAZZLING ACCOUNT.

    6. God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) through His messenger Jibraaeel in a cave known as Ghaar Hiraa.

    7. God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. This is an indication of the Buraaq and Mi?raaj.

    8. God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was probably proven in the Battle of Badr.

    9. Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was born on the 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal.

    10. Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and swordsman. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was both. The author has given numerous other arguments in favour of his claim that Kalki Avatar is in fact Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and those who still await the arrival of Kalki Avatar should think again.

  221. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    It took about a century or so for all the wonderful inventions invented by some famous Scientists to come into existence which led to the age of civilization ie. aeroplane, lightings, telephone, etc. and not million of years. Thus, it is true that the earth could be merely 6000 years or so and not million of years.

  222. Truth alone triumphs says:

    Both Bible and Quran contain x -rated pornography.
    The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows parents to marry their children.
    Incestuous fantacies are praised in the Bible. http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

  223. XYZ says:

    /At creation, no scientist, historian or journalist was present/
    How come you know that ?Was you their as witness during creation.Bible also say the earth is 6000 years of age.We know this is not true!!! . Don't believe blindly , do some self effort ?.
    Just go through this link and see how the young kid is doing hard effort to know the mystery of life and perhaps about God : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFA32f1MKWg

  224. Supriya says:

    Truth-seeker
    Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of Hebrew sky God and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both same MYTH. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the rituals of Mithraism including Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St. Paul as the first christian bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preachings and teachings and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraic center.
    The idea of sacrificed savior is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of transformed savior, washing away sins and granting eternal life, the seven sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic, end of time when God sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman emperors, Mithraist then christians mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established December 25th the birth date of Mithras to be the birthdate of Jesus too,the principal day of worship of Jesus of Jews. The Sabbath was replaced by the Mithraistic sunday as the christian holyday. The catholic church based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman empire, giving modern literalist Christianity.

  225. Supriya says:

    Truth-seeker
    The Bible is not reliable guide to Jesus' teachings. Mark,the oldest of the Gospel was written at least 30 years after Jesus' death and the newest of them might have been written more than 200 years after death.These texts have been amended, translated and re-translated so often that it's extremely difficult to gauge the accuracy of texts written decades and centuries after the death of Jesus Christ. This is just a problem that the Jesus seminar, a colloquium of over 200 protestant gospel scholars mostly employed at religious colleges and seminars, undertook in 1985 a multi-year investigation into the historicity of the statements and deeds attributed to Jesus had a high likelihood of being historically correct . So in a very real sense christians who claim to believe in the literal truths of Bible are not followers of Jesus Christ; rather they are followers of those who- decades and centuries later- put words in Jesus' mouth.

  226. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Ain't your cow god or elephant god a myth? I'm really interested to know how do you worship them? Do you kiss them for real?

  227. Supriya says:

    Truth-seeker
    Judaism and Mithraism merged and became Christianity. Jesus was myth and it is proved by Acharya S./ Ms. Merdock. Visit her website: http://www.truthbeknown.com

  228. Supriya says:

    Truth-seeker
    Judaism and Mithraism merged and became Christianity. Jesus was myth and it is proved by Acharya S./ Ms. Merdock. Visit her website: http://www.truthbeknown.com

  229. Supriya says:

    Truth-seeker
    Judaism and Mithraism merged and became Christianity. Jesus was myth and it is proved by Acharya S./ Ms. Merdock. Visit her website: http://www.truthbeknown.com

  230. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    According to Genesis, God spoke, "Let there be light." And light was being created. That was the very first item on God's agenda. This light is more than sunlight that shines. it is pure energy, the life force of God which came from His breadth and spoken word. This is the fundamental creative force of all things, and only the Bible gives out this information. Without this energy force, nothing else could be created. This is the reason why Science has discovered that every matter has energy. According to the Bible, it is in God that we move and live and have our being. All the energy comes from Him, and even a blade of hair contains energy.

  231. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    At creation, no scientist, historian or journalist was present. Even if the universe was created by chance and accident, you have absolutely no way of knowing it. There was no record left by any human being to attest to it. However, if the universe was created by God, there must be some faithful record – a point of reference with a ring of truth. Such a record is the Bible. God's Word is scientifically logical.

  232. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    You must read the first book of the Bible – Genesis. More than facts, it deals with truth. It majors on absolute truths and revelation truths which are unknown and unknowable to the natural mind. Before creation, there was nothingness except God. He is always there, and there is not a time when God doesn't exist. He is self-existent because nobody created Him. All things began with Him. He is the Source and the All-in-all. All things from the galaxies to the tiniest atom, were created by Him. In the beginning, there was absolutely nothing. not even space or air, until God spoke the Word. Then the objects of God's creation came into being. From the moment He spoke in that creation dawn, all the manifold handiworks of His hand began to unfold. Many

  233. Truth_seeker says:

    Grace,
     Can you please explain your concept of God and creation for my benefit.

  234. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    It's time that you should stop worshipping that cow god or elephant god. They ain't God anyway.

  235. Supriya says:

    Dr. Sina
    I am going to correct a point made in my comment of the philosophy of God and universe in Hinduism.
    According to Quantum physics, all we know matter is nothing more than superimposition of various wavefunctions.[ having various wavelengths, amplitudes, frequencies, time-periods ] When the brain( wavefunction) of the observer looks at the object ( other wavefunction) , the consciousness chooses and make the wavefunctions of the object collapse and it gives rise to particles. In this way the observer can see the matter made up of particles.
    If the observation is not made then the object remains in wavefunction. Therefore fare number of scientist believe that we create reality by observing it. The universe is merely projection or hologram or illusion.
    There must be someone or something who is observing the universe from the beginning of time. He must be God because only God existed before the creation of universe.
    Ancient Hindu rishis used to say that we all exist in dream or illusion i.e. Mithya or Maya.

  236. Phoenix says:

    Supriya
    You misunderstood me.I did not say your guru was juvenile.I meant that in general,I'd rather trust someone whose more matured and has some reasonable life experiences than trust immature juveniles.
    I hope it's a bit clearer now.

  237. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    //My Guru is not an ordinary( worldly) person like you and me.// Ain't he a human being and sinner like you and me?

  238. Supriya says:

    XYZ
    It is true that westerners are saying that they are becoming more like Hindus. The following video clips show the same message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVxukRWqDqU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyIhllTz_Fo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=549mT_vU1Vk

  239. Supriya says:

    XYZ
    The theory of creationism( Adam, Eve, Apple story which is base of Abrahamic religions) is banned from U.K. schools. This approves your above statement – The world is coming towards the truth. http://www.iskconnews.org/creationism-banned-from-uk-sch...

  240. Supriya says:

    Phoenix
    //Decisions made in the juvenile stage has shown not be very reliable//
    My Guru is not an ordinary( worldly) person like you and me. He is spiritual leader and truth seeker. He is predestined to achieve the highest and ultimate goal of human being which is Moksha. He has touched lives of 470 million people in both East and West.

  241. Passive Observer says:

    Dear Ali
    As per the video clip, a natural question arises, Why the deities , if they preceded Jesus,  could not 'conquer' world?  How 'duplicate' Jesus was able to 'conquer' the world?
    Coming to your story of incest, have you noted Gal 4:4 "WHEN THE FULLNESS OF TIME HAD COME  God sent forth his son" . At his time only Jesus could say "Whoever looks at a woman  lustfully   has already  committed adultery with her in his heart."  God did not take this high moral ground  at the dawn of civilization. He overlooked polygamy of Abraham, David , Solomon, etc.  In the case of Lot, neither he nor his daughters were of  carnal minded. They wanted to preserve the lineage. As a passive observer, I take it as a clue what we should do at a time of annihilation of human species.    

  242. V B Doss says:

    Dear Ali
    I am a Catholic Christian. I Believe in Jesus Christ. He Is God. The old testament seems to be weak before the reasoning or theology, not because it contains something that is not up to our standard of understanding. But we are looking at it with our moral mentality. Bible clearly speaks about an uncivilized world. God gently entered in to the world through a failed man Abraham. He made a covenant with him. According to that even if Abraham or future race fail the covenant He (God) will not fail him. After so many experiences they felt that they are cared by the covenant of God. When they were in Egypt, they were in Babylon or at the time of Holocaust they all expected to become extinct. But they are back every time to their promised land – Israel. Our civilization is also perfect. We can't call it ultimate or anything like that (ultimate) is in sight. Please don't find faults with Bible. Don't miss the revelation of the Creator of this universe. He revealed Him in away that what is the extent we can bear or what is the limit to know Him and love Him. Jesus is the revealed face of the ONE GOD and HIS LOVE!

    Peace of Jesus Christ be with you and your Family!

    V B Doss

  243. Phoenix says:

    Supriya
    I think belief in spirituality or God has nothing to do with the age of theist.//
    Decisions made in the juvenile stage has shown not be very reliable,because they're based on a period where the individual is in a state of rebellion,highly emotional,seeks constant approval from peers and coupled with a lack of experience.That's why an honest examination of ones life is best undertaken in the mature stage of adulthood.Beliefs that have been acquired during an immature juvenile stage and remained unchecked into adulthood produces a manchild (physically an adult but emotionally still a child).In fact a study from Harvard confirms this: http://harvardmagazine.com/2008/09/the-teen-brain

    Regarding meditation and breathing techniques,I think you hit the nail on the head.These are powerful tools to help us progress from the manchild phase into rational mature adults,because it helps us reflect on ourselves and to remain calm when facing lifes normal reversals.

  244. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    The world needs Jesus Christ, for He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Only love can build us a bridge of light. I guess that's the message Ali wants to spread to the whole world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDfBUe9PXNnqU&a

  245. XYZ says:

    @Grace
    The world has ultimately came in contact with truth and it is moving towards it of late. Good for the whole of humanity (lies do not survive for long).

  246. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    But one thing I do know is that I have only one biological father. This is the ultimate truth Period. So, even if I don't like him at all, I have to accept the fact that he is still my biological father, even on my deathbed. I would be deceiving myself and others if I claim Ali to be my biological father instead, just because I like him to be my biological father. My liking of him will not change the fact at all that he is not my biological father.

  247. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    There's a popular belief that all roads lead to life. It's all up to individual's choice, taste and preference of what they really want to believe. It doesn't matter to them if the truth is compromised or not because to them, there is no difference between truth and lies anymore, be it half truth or half lies or even pure lies. That's the reason why you'll find all kinds of convenient truth and horrible lies floating in the air nowadays.

  248. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I'd rather follow Jesus Christ than any talented guru.

  249. Supriya says:

    Phoenix
    I agree with you. I am going to share my opinions with you.
    You said Most theists view God as the highest good (freedom,joy,abundance,love) to align with.//
    You are absolutely right. I think spirituality ( or belief in God) is that which enhances human values such as love, compassion, enthusiasm etc. We feel the spiritual bond we share as part of human family is more prominent than nationality, gender, religion, profession or other identities that separate us.
    //I'm young and healthy and after a very brief period of being an atheist too have left //
    I think belief in spirituality or God has nothing to do with the age of theist. I am also young and healthy and firm believer in God. This doesn't mean that I have abandoned my day-to-day or materialistic life. Many youths of Pune ( a city in India) are leading materialistic as well as spiritual life simultaneously and successfully.
    Let me tell one more example : My Guru born to a rich businessman's family , was a gifted child. By the age of 4, he was able to recite sanskrit Bhagawad gita ( his mother-tongue was Tamil, a completely different language) and he was often found in deep meditation. At the age of 17 , he graduated with degrees in both Physics and Vedic literature.( Generally Indians complete graduation at the age of 21) At the age of 25, he entered a 10- day period of silence and found powerful breathing techniques.
    I just want to say that the age of theist has nothing to do with the belief in spirituality or God.
    Hindu rishis used to say that we all are sat-chit-anand means truth-consciousness-bliss.

  250. Phoenix says:

    @Sakat
    Just imagine if that character 'God' was not known to Human beings– just like other inhabitant animal of this planet,what would have been the state of human society//
    If i understand you correctly,you're appealing to naturalism:[Because humans are animals and animals don't believe in a god therefore humans should not believe in god either].Before I attack this argument,let me know if this is your position.

    People rather concentrated on their work sincerely more than wasting on timeless debate about 'God'//
    You're basically saying the belief in God distracts people from performing their duties because they're too busy engaging in debates.Can you produce any information from Labor Unions that this is the case?

    Today , it is this character 'God',who has become the 'thorn in the flesh' of human happiness.//
    This is mere opinion.Most theists view God as the highest good (freedom,joy,abundance,love) to align with.

    Look the world is divided over God. The character of this visible world is duality ,i mean there the presence of an object and the observer on//
    I assume you're refering to conflicts.All ongoing religious conflicts are spawned by islam.That's why we are here on these forums ;to educate about this evil cult.Equating all theists with islam is dishonest.If you live in a non-muslim majority country,then its pretty obvious already.

    Since there is a term "Bad" which necessitate the term "Good",both are correlated.If you say God is "Love" ,what about the God who is "Hate".If God of Jesus preach "Love" ,simultaneously the Allah –the God of Mohammed preach "Hate",since because both Love and Hate are correlated.So it is then a fare presumption –the characteristic of the God is love as well Hate!!!//
    Blatantly false.Love does not correlate with hate;they couldn't be any more antithetical.Becuase your premise is false,so it guarantees your subconclusion and conclusion are also false.

    In the prevailing circumstances you cannot say Allah is not God but the God of Jesus is the only God//
    Religions all preach their version of what God is.What contemporary dualist philosophers have done is to strip away all the cultural idiosyncracies and ecclesiastic components and expose the common factors,such as a neccessary first cause of our universe,free will,love as the highest aspiration,continuation of consciousness after physical death,etc.
    If religious doctrines do not correlate with these,then I know thye're false.

    Nonetheless ALI SINA has maintained the sanctity of Atheism all these years in his life and as well here on the platform.He was vehemently opposing the theist or the existence of God!.Now suddenly he became the believer why?//
    You seem not to tolerate apostates from atheism. Why do theists have a right to join atheism but the converse is unacceptable?

    Every other person who is young and healthy do not go after god why ? because he is unaware of the fear of death,but if the same person grew old suddenly he realizes the impermanence of his life,so then he becomes a theist…………….I think the same psychological change has occurred in Ali, it seems!.//
    I'm young and healthy and after a very brief period of being an atheist too have left because its inconsistent and can't even explain consciousness or free will and need to deny them in order to maintain its little oasis.Besides,this is an ad hominem attack on Ali Sina.His age is irrelevant and you cannot present evidence that he feared death therefore became an atheist.

    To charge all theists with the fear of God is poisoning the well.Each have their personal reasons for believeing which usually involves subjective experience,a concept which is alien to materialists becuase they consider subjective experience an illusion

  251. Ali Sina says:

    @ Passive Obsrver
    I checked his website and it says that he arrived at the conclusion that the Semitic world did have a number of dying and rising deities: Baal, Adonis, Melqart, and Eshmun.

  252. Sakat says:

    @Phoenix
    /How do you intend to prove this statement?If you said that some theists are cowards then perhaps I would agree./
    Just imagine if that character 'God' was not known to Human beings– just like other inhabitant animal of this planet,what would have been the state of human society.People rather concentrated on their work sincerely more than wasting on timeless debate about 'God'.Today , it is this character 'God',who has become the 'thorn in the flesh' of human happiness.Look the world is divided over God. The character of this visible world is duality ,i mean there the presence of an object and the observer on .Since there is a term "Bad" which necessitate the term "Good",both are correlated.If you say God is "Love" ,what about the God who is "Hate".If God of Jesus preach "Love" ,simultaneously the Allah –the God of Mohammed preach "Hate",since because both Love and Hate are correlated.So it is then a fare presumption –the characteristic of the God is love as well Hate!!! .In the prevailing circumstances you cannot say Allah is not God but the God of Jesus is the only God.Nonetheless ALI SINA has maintained the sanctity of Atheism all these years in his life and as well here on the platform.He was vehemently opposing the theist or the existence of God!.Now suddenly he became the believer why? . Every other person who is young and healthy do not go after god why ? because he is unaware of the fear of death,but if the same person grew old suddenly he realizes the impermanence of his life,so then he becomes a theist…………….I think the same psychological change has occurred in Ali, it seems!. Because some 18 years back when he started this blog he may be young,but then he did not found any necessity of God in his life–now the circumstances has changed ,so he felt the need of God for kicking out the fear called death from his mind !!!!. It is my opinion.

  253. Phoenix says:

    @Sakat
    Are you afraid to die?.Only cowards need God– not the brave//
    How do you intend to prove this statement?If you said that some theists are cowards then perhaps I would agree.Maybe there are some theists that are afraid of death so they need to believe in an immortal soul for comfort but this does not apply to all theists,unless you can prove otherwise with statistical evidence.On the other hand,perhaps there are atheists who lead such miserable meaningless lives that they wish to dissapear completely after death.
    Your assertion could also easily be refuted by showing you examples of theists who have selflessly risked their lives to save others.And examples of cowardly atheists (especially the leftists) who seek to appease muslims.

  254. Passive Observer says:

    Dear Ali
    T.N.D Mettinger – a senior Swedish scholar, professor at Lund University, and member of the Royal Academy of letters of Stockholm, wrote one of the most recent academic treatments of  dying and rising  gods in antiquity. He admits in his book  'The Riddle of Resurrection'   that the consensus among modern scholars – nearly universal- is that there were no dying and rising gods (Adonis,Osiris, Dionysus, Mithras, Zeus)  that preceded Christianity. They all post-dated the first century. In the case of Horus there were many forms recorded in the history. The latest form could be after the first century.  The apostles or disciple of Jesus did not fix Dec 25 as Jesus Birthday. It was by Constantine  in the 4th century, after 'Sun God'.

  255. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    For goodness sake, if you're really so interested to find out the truth of the matter, you got to stop worshipping that cow god or that elephant god for good! Worshipping an animal won't get you anywhere, except the animal kingdom.

  256. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    How about cow worshippers? Has it ever came across your mind that only morons worship a cow as god?

    1) It's a matter of free will. He don't need your approval to create this universe.

    2) In the beginning, my loving Creator God did not create evil or suffering or miseries at all. All these nonsense happened because our first parent, Adam and Eve disobeyed God and brought sin into this once perfect world.

    3) In the beginning, He created everything good and perfect because He is a perfect God. It was human stupidity that led to sin, imperfection, destruction and death.

  257. Supriya says:

    Dr. Sina
    The core philosophy of Hinduism or Vedic religion is NOT '' God crested this universe'' in the sense that the universe being materialistic entity created by God. Instead, it is ''God is this universe'' , more accurately '' this universe is manifestation of God'' or universe is manifestation of Supreme Consciousness''. So '' God created this universe'' here means '' God manifested himself in the form of this universe''. God does not exist outside of this universe. He is omnipresent and we all are portions of God, the Supreme Divine. Hence we all are divine beings. The term 'God' here is not personified version of a superhuman but it is all pervading supreme consciousness, the Brahman.
    Hindu scriptures say – 1. Aham Brahmasmi 2. Ayam Atma Brahma 3. Tat Twam Asi 4. Ishavasya Midam Sarvam
    All verses say that the entire universe is manifestation of Supreme Brahman. There is no duality. This is why, in Hinduism every aspect of the universe like trees, animals, humans, rivers, mountains, planets, stars, air, water, fire and one's own are considered as divine and are worshiped.
    If we believe that God is an ocean of divinity, then we all are divine drops of this ocean. The divine God manifest himself as planets, trees, animal etc.and hence this universe. At the fundamental level, we all are One and Same. Both living and non-living things are made up of atomic and sub-atomic particles.Quantum physics is the branch of science which governs the sub-atomic particles Quantum physics says that energy is in both forms, waveform and particle form. So we all are governed by Quantum physics at micro level.
    Quantum physics says that the world is an illusion and we ( the observers) create reality. When we observe things, our vision creates the waveforms and then they are converted into particles. And in this way,we can see matter made up of particles. Hinduism says the same- Brahma Satyam Jagat mithyam – God is the only truth and the universe is an illusion. Those who have spiritual eyes like you Dr. Sina can see and understand this.
    The divine nature of universe is beautifully described in Isha Upanishad as –
    Om Purnamadah Purnamidam; Purnat Purnamuduschyati ; Purnasya Purnamaday ; Purnameva Vashishtyate; Om Shanti Shanti Shanti !
    Meaning : Om ' that' is completeness and 'this' is completeness;
    From completeness, completeness arises;
    Completeness is taken away by completeness;
    Completeness is added to completeness,
    then Completeness alone remains;
    Om peace peace peace !
    Here 'that' refers to the God and 'this' refers to the universe.The message is given as the universe comes from God and the God is this universe. Nobody can separate God and universe. God is not outside of the universe but the universe is manifestation of God. The entire universe is pervaded by God.
    We know the law of conservation of energy – Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, it can only change it's one form into other. We know that the universe is made up of energy. This energy manifests as matter, radiations etc. If energy is neither be created nor be destroyed ,then it should have always existed, isn't it ? Hindus say that the creation of universe is nothing but manifestation of ever existing energy. In science, it is called as energy and in Indian spirituality, it is called as divinity.
    The truth is that something can't be created out of nothing. It has to be already existing which gets manifested into something. So God can not create universe out of nothing. Universe is made up of energy and science says- energy can't be created or destroyed. It means this energy already existed before the creation of this universe, then it should be God itself because only God existed before the creation of this universe. Hence universe is nothing but manifestation of Go itself.
    Isha Upanishad confirms this as – Ishavasya idam sarvam. Meaning – the entire universe is pervaded by God. In Bhagawad gita Lord Krishna talked about Para and Apara nature of divine manifestation . Para refers to the spiritual nature of divine God and Apara refers to the materialistic manifestation of divine God as intelligence, mind, ego and various elements of nature.
    The divinity is Purna, the absolute or completeness and nothing can exist outside of this completeness. So there are no boundary lines which can separate the universe and God. Divinity always existed and the universe is manifestation of the divinity.

  258. Supriya says:

    Dr. Sina
    Only morons can believe in the Creationist God and the theory of Creationism . I am going to ask 3 questions to christians and muslims .
    1] Why does a PERFECT God need to create this universe ?
    2] If God's motive is love and kindness, then why there is suffering and misery in the universe created by God ?
    3] Don't you think that loving and kind God ought to create only happy creatures , not that universe which is full of suffering and misery ( an IMPERFECT universe ) ?

  259. de_prince says:

    Well, Ali Sina believes in the Bible version of God cosmology, that means, God, Angels and Satans.

    I think you have to look at my videos about demons and how celebrities use them for their careers, to believe that they are up to evil, not just fear-based thinking.

  260. Phoenix says:

    Remember, as you now believe in God, that infers you also believe in Angels, Devils, etc.//
    That's not neccessarily the case.The angel and demon concepts of religion is shrouded in mythology.What you call demons and angels are disembodied consciousness who either act as spirit guides or the so-called bad ones are still strongly attached to their previous physical either out of guilt or fear.
    I admit this is nothing more than theodicy,which I can't prove but relies on intuitive knowledge and subjective experience.

    If one is worshipping God diligently like Muslims or Christians, could there be someone out there who are praying to Satan religiously?//
    There is no non-physical source of evil (satan).Evil is lackful and fear-based thinking.

  261. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Don't I even have the basic human right to choose my alias or to love these two names – Ali and Harrel? Please explain what human right is all about then? In this case, may I ask can you please make a new username and call yourself just Ali removing Sina from your alias?

  262. de_prince says:

    It could be nonsense, until we really see it is realized just like 9/11.

    Remember, as you now believe in God, that infers you also believe in Angels, Devils, etc. If one is worshipping God diligently like Muslims or Christians, could there be someone out there who are praying to Satan religiously?

    That's the next level of our question.

  263. de_prince says:

    and Christianity has always a way to make abominable things Christian or Biblical.
    "Do what Thou will!"
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithwalkers/2013/01http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sP8GzHucA

  264. de_prince says:

    and Christianity has always a way to make abominable things Christian or Biblical.
    "Do what Thou will!"
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithwalkers/2013/01http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sP8GzHucA

  265. Ali Sina says:

    Don't pay heed to these nonsense things

  266. de_prince says:

    The problem is that sort of behavior is Biblical. That means it is condoned by God, in your case, Jesus Christ.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin

  267. de_prince says:

    The problem is that sort of behavior is Biblical. That means it is condoned by God, in your case, Jesus Christ.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin

  268. Ali Sina says:

    This is my account https://twitter.com/AliSinaOrg But it is strange that someone is using the old name.

  269. Ali Sina says:

    Can you please make a new username and call yourself just Grace removing Ali and Harrell from your alias?

  270. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Don't you find it really strange that this prophet Mu whom you worship like a god actually penetrated a 9 years old girl and yet, all his male and female followers, including you, agreed with his act of terrorism and praised him for such insanity?

  271. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Can you explain how did that cow god fits into the picture and can you also explain how do you worship that cow god? Is it true that some devout Hindus can go to the extent of drinking cow urine and eating cow feaces?

  272. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I think that you and that Hindu Supriya can't accept and swallow the fact that Ali has accepted Jesus Christ as His personal Lord and Savior. Like what I said earlier, I can't imagine that my dear Ali will ever worship a cow or elephant like a god like what you guys did.

  273. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    You above comment shows that you are an ignorant fool. Don't you know that Jesus Christ is perfect in all His ways and no sin is found in Him? He is not a sinner like one of us. Don't you think that it's really stupid and silly of you to worship a cow instead of God?

  274. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I think that Ali will laugh at you silly comment. Don't you know that he's a smart and wise man? Even if he resides deep in the Amazon rainforest, he won't follow those barbarians and their religion because he has a smart brain like mine. Didn't you read his above post carefully? He is not ashamed at all to announce that he has accepted Jesus Christ.

  275. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Don't you know that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God? So, I'm sane and you must be completely insane to worship a cow.

  276. Marathon says:

    What happened to Ali's twitter account? https://twitter.com/AliSina_FFI
    Looks like it has been hacked by Russians, correct? It used to have 5K followers, didnt it?
    I think he can get it back by talking to Twitter.

  277. de_prince says:

    what do you think about this since you belive the Spirit world?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B740q1lJCis&li

  278. de_prince says:

    what do you think about this since you belive the Spirit world?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B740q1lJCis&li

  279. Mads says:

    The Zeitgeist-movie is crap! Acharya S. is a joke, no serious scholar takes what she writes as having any value. As you mature in Christ mr. Sina you will come to see that the Bible is indeed the Word of God, and that is was spoken by Christ through the prophets. God bless

  280. de_prince says:

    Dear Ali Sina, 

    Why you keep on insisting on Abrahamic religion? Why don't you embrace Buddhism or Hinduism, or make your own belief, like I do? The sayings of Jesus will certainly part of your moral fabric, so you don't need Jesus to have those qualities. As matter of fact, I deeply rever Muhammad for his great insight on power, there is no other man on the face of the earth, as more ingenous than Muhammad in creating political and military force. Through him,  the laws for common people, the undecated are clear, he brought stone cold laws for civilizations, but the problem is his has past its usefulness, so we need another Muhammad to carry on and develop laws for better civilizations.

    Perhaps, there are fake stories regarding Muhammad? Even Hadiths with their sanads are corruptable, let alone Sira. 

    How do you then explain those who worship Satans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKVOI9OOsbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ3brd4cb0

    Anyhow, I like your articles.

    Regads, 
    Murtadin (perhaps)

  281. Supriya says:

    Dr. Sina
    You are right. The theory of creationism is unscientific and ridiculous. Hinduism states '' The God and universe are not two separate entities but they are One and Same.
    A verse of Isha Upanishad : Ishavasya midam sarvam.
    Meaning : God or supreme divine pervades everything. The universe is manifestation of God.

  282. Bharatiy Knya says:

    Grace,the mentally insane lady
    Ali Sina said – '' And I am not going to even talk about the stupidity of the tale of creation and how unscientific and ridiculous it is. That is the reason I do not call myself a Christian.The Bible is full of filth''
    Quit saying that Ali Sina is Christian.

  283. Bharatiy Kanya says:

    Grace, the mentally insane lady
    '' a prophet is a human being just like one of us and a sinner too, like one of us. So, why should you be surprised by human stupidity?''
    You admitted that Jesus was stupid . And you also admitted that you are mentally insane for worshiping a stupid as savior God. 😮

  284. Sam Sudhi says:

    Grace be a roman when you are in Rome .That is what Ali Sina is doing .
    Since Ali Sina resides in the west & among a majority  christian population with his profound knowledge in Christianity & Islam he tends to accept christ . It doesn't mean he had converted to a christian .
    Why do you declare that he is a Christian ?

  285. Sakat says:

    Ali
    /If Jesus was the invention of Matthew and John then these two guys must have had some divine knowledge/
    May be,but then they are divine beings not Jesus–and the credit goes to them not Jesus.So you should ACCEPT them and not Jesus.Wait–in eastern philosophy there is a definite way to obtain/gain the divine knowledge.It is called revelation –and the revelations comes by way of hard 'Tapas' (meditation).
    I don't think the bible or any other christian scripture tells about this unlike Bhagvad Gita ,which elaborately describe the various way of meditation –by doing one can realize God or reach enlightenment.
    In christian believe ,your day begins with Jesus and Ends in him.There is no scope for self enlightenment or the way to reach enlightenment or to become son of God.If you believe the existence of god ,then perhaps Buddha was wrong.But Buddha struggle to find God in his 7 year journey into the meditative world –yet he was not definite about the existence of God.
    Even it is believed– Mathew and John had the divine knowledge ,there is no suitable explanation how they do get access to divine knowledge?.

  286. Sakat says:

    Better to insane rather than worshiping half naked helpless skeleton on cross.

  287. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    When will you accept the fact that Ali believes in Jesus Christ and that he is a Christian? Do you think that he will worship a cow like you and Sakat did?

  288. Supriya says:

    ihateislam & Jesus / Indian protestant Christian
    You should read this blog.

  289. Supriya says:

    Sakat
    Dr. Sina is not athiest. He believes in holographic universe and hence he is philosophically Hindu ( Sanatan dharmi). His blogs reflect that he believes in Advaitvad ( Non- duality ).

  290. gms says:

    Jeus never ever proclaimed to be God.There is not a single sentence in the bible in which explicitly Jesus says "I'm God ".

  291. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    I think that Sakat must be insane to worship a cow instead of God.

  292. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    My dear Ali, please study more about the mutation of genes and then, you'll kiss me for helping you to see the big picture. xD

  293. Sean says:

    Augustine of Hippo, more than 1500 years go, advised Christians not to take the genesis stories literally.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

  294. Ali Sina says:

    If Jesus was the invention of Matthew and John then these two guys must have had some divine knowledge that you and I do not possess. No I am not afraid of dying. But you need to read my article titled Why I Believe in God and the Afterlife. There is a spiritual reality underlying this material world. That is now undeniable since the evidence is overwhelming. Anyone who does not want to see the evidence is willfully ignorant.

  295. Ali Sina says:

    What you say is completely contrary to science. The gene pool gets damaged when there is no new input from far away sources. Inbreeding produce defective children. This is something known to all humans since thousands of years.

  296. Annabel says:

    I hadn't considered the scientific underlay of the matter of brother and sister (relatives) marrying in ancient times but now that you've said it, i realize it makes perfect sense.  The gene pool indeed would have been purer thus chances of passing on harmful mutations to the next generations would not be likely as it in our current society! This is a sensible explanation of why relatives marrying were permissible up till a certain period!

  297. Sakat says:

    Ali
    Jesus was the invention of Mathew and John don't believe him, instead just remain atheist that suits you.You are doing too much presumption upon the set of belief this myth Jesus.You were atheist so just be that.Are you afraid to die?.Only cowards need God– not the brave.You are our brave soldier and we want to see you remain brave. :p

  298. Sam Sudhi says:

    Great suggestion Phoenix…

  299. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    //Even the New Testament is written decades after the death of Jesus. Much of the stories attribute to Jesus are taken from previous pagan stories.// Please read the four gospels in the New Testament, written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. How many witnesses do you need to verify Jesus' birth, death and resurrection?

  300. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    You said, //The Bible is full of filth like this. It is not the word of God. Saying that it is will only turn people away from God.// No, Ali, you must understand that Lot and his family chose to settle near Sodom and the men of Sodom were wicked and both Lot's daughters were living in such a messed up society that they can't differentiate between right and wrong practices. This could be the reason that led them to sleep with their father.

  301. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    It is no secret that all of us, through the long process of numerous mutations over many generations, are carrying many mistakes. If two people are closely related, chances are they carry the same copying mistakes in their genes. Hence, the chances of producing a deformed child are much higher. Therefore, from Moses' time, God decreed a law that forbids close relatives, particularly siblings of the same parents, to be married. The reason why such a law was not instituted in Abraham's day is because the gene pool was much purer and had not mutated to a dangerous point.

  302. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    You said, //Another story of incest, of God and his prophet’s ruthlessness, injustice and stupidity, is the chapter preceding the one above.// Currently, it is a genetic fact that the closer the couple are related to each other, the more likely it is that their offspring will be deformed. But that wasn't so in Adam and Eve or Cain, or even Abraham's time when the gene pool, was near perfect. You have to understand the fact that Adam and Eve were created perfect; hence, their genes were perfectly healthy with absolutely no defects. The increasing harsh climate conditions, due to the upheavals of the Great Flood, and also man's many abuses of the earth have constantly caused mutations of the genes.

  303. Grace Ali Harrel says:

    Dear Ali, I felt elated to know that you've accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and that you're not ashamed to announce to the world here of your decision. Praise the Lord! You said, //I do not consider the Bible as the word of God. That book contains so much contradictions and asininities that can very well mislead people instead of guiding them.// Well, don't you know that Jesus used to quote from the scripture to rebuke the devil, so how could you conveniently said that the Bible is not the Word of God? Besides that, what you deemed as contradictions may not be contradictions at all. It's about your lack of understanding on the matter itself and you've quoted Genesis 20 to support your above claim. Maybe you've forgotten the fact that a prophet is a human being just like one of us and a sinner too, like one of us. So, why should you be surprised by human stupidity?

  304. Phoenix says:

    The main problem with christianity IMO, is that the church has failed to utilize the works of brilliant christian philosophers such as Rene Descartes,Immanuel Kant,William of Ockham,Thomas Aquinas,et al. Instead the church has held onto unneccesary baggage,namely the Old Testament,which contains not a single word and deed of a christian – except for its "prophetic" messages.
    Should christianity have taken the same route as hinduism and included the philosophical works as subsidiary texts into its doctrine,then christianity would've been much more progressive.

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