Ayatollah Montazeri vs. Ali Sina

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In the Bulletin Board of Jebhe Melli (Democratic National Front of Iran) I asked several questions about Islam. Someone reported them to Ayatollah Montazeri and he responded in his own handwriting (published bellow). What follows is the translation of his letter and my response to him.

Ayatollah Montazeri was the most prominent spiritual leader of the Shiites. He was first chosen by Khomeini to be his successor.  However, he opposed the senseless massacres of Khomeini and was ousted.  Since then and until his death in 2009, Ayatollah Montazeri was under house arrest. Mr. Montazeri was the main opposition figure of reformists who believe in Islam but not in the Velayate Faghih (Guardianship).  He was the most respected religious figure in Iran.

Montazeri was a Muslim, but above all he was a good human.  He was loves by all Iranians and will not be forgotten. I give homage to a great man.

The subjects discussed with Ayatollah Montazeri were about

The young age of Aisha

Were the Prophet’s wars defensive?

Safiyah, the Jewish Wife of Muhammad

and

The Genocide of the Jews of Medina

The following is the sealed letter of Ayatollah Montazeri

The young age of Ayesha

Question no. 1

Muhammad married Ayesha when she was 6-years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9-years-old. How could a 54 year-old man, calling himself the messenger God and the example to follow have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl?

1- Ayatollah Montazeri

In those days the tradition of Marriage was based on tribal customs and rituals. The objective of marriage was mainly to foster friendship with the father of the bride and therefore the marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha was a political move.

Sina.

This is not a good excuse to marry an underage child. I am not bothered of the marriage of the prophet with a daughter of Abu Bakr, but the fact that Ayesha was a child. It is not proper for a messenger of God to have sexual feelings for a little girl and it is unconscionable to act on them. In this day and age if a 54-year-old man has an intercourse with a 9-year-old girl he will be jailed and prosecuted as a pedophile. Why should the Prophet be forgiven?

2. Ayatollah Montazeri.

The Prophet at the age of 25 married Khadijah, a woman who was 40-years-old and did not marry with another woman as long as she was alive. If the Prophet was a lustful man, he would not have married with an older woman and stay faithful to her all her life.

Sina:

Khadijah was a wealthy woman and the Prophet was a poor employee of her. Marrying a wealthy woman for him was climbing the ladder of social status. Being a poor young man, no one paid attention to him. Kadijah was to him a boon. She gave him the comfort and the ease of mind from financial worries. With a wealthy wife he could afford to retreat to his cave and let his imagination fly – meet Jinns, battle with Satan, converse with Gabriel, and other creatures that haunted his feeble mind.

The fact that Muhammad remained faithful to Khadijah was not due to his chastity or loyalty but because she was a powerful woman and he lived in her house eating her food and depending on her money for. At that time Muhammad had no followers and he would have lost everything had he offended his rich wife. That would have destroyed him completely.

However, he showed his true colors when he came to power and nothing could stop him from doing what he pleased. It was then that he broke all the norms of the decency by the leave of his Allah.

3- Ayatollah Montazeri.

The Prophets intention in marrying numerous old and widowed women, apart from sociopolitical considerations, was to foster their social status. Those were the days when women, especially slave girls, had little or no value and ignorance was such that they used to burry their daughters alive.

Sina.

The Prophet married Khadijah, as I explained above, for her wealth. After her death he married Ayesha who was only 6 years old and due to Abu Bakr’s request he did not consummate his marriage with her for three years. During this time he needed a woman. The non-believers would not marry him. They thought he was a lunatic. Among his handful of followers there were few eligible women with whom he could marry. Sauda was a Muslim woman and a widow. She was ideal under the circumstances. She could warm his bed and take care of his needs. He married her two months after the death of Kahdijah.  Khadijah and Sauda were the only wives of the Prophet, with whom he married not for lust but out of necessity.

Hafza, the daughter of Omar also may have not been very beautiful, according to her own father and Muhammad may have married her to please his friend. Imagine being a woman and knowing that your husband has married you not for love but for political reasons.

His other wives were all beautiful young women in their teens. Muhammad married them or simply slept with them without marrying them only because of their looks. Sometimes he had to bend a few rules and make Allah reveal a few verses in order to allow him get what he wanted, as in the case of Zeinab Bent Jahsh, Mariyah and Aisha. None of his wives were suffering from malnutrition or were lonely poor widows prior to marrying him. The stories of Safiyah, Mariyah and Zeinab are love stories, flavored with lust, betrayal and crime.

You also correctly described the deplorable condition of the slave girls in those days, but you forgot to mention that those slave girls were free before the Prophet reduced them into slaves. Are you saying that these women should have been grateful to Muhammad for killing their loved ones and sell them in the markets to a Muslim who would use them as a maid and a sex slave?

4- Ayatollah Montazeri

The marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha took place in the first or second year of the Hijra at the insistence of her father Abu Bakr and some of his friends. The Prophet, for sometimes after the death of Khadijah, remained single. His main objective in accepting this marriage was for political reasons. The reason for this marriage was that the Prophet was under the intense pressure by his enemies like Abu Lahab and Abu Jahl and was completely dependant of the protection of other tribes. Abu Bakr had a lot of tribal influence. And rejecting his offer, in those conditions, for the Prophet was not prudent. In reality this marriage was symbolic and not to satisfy his sexual instinct, because, as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.

Sina

The Prophet did not marry Ayesha at the insistence of her father. There are many Hadiths that show it was the Prophet who desired her and asked Abu Bakr to give him his then 6-year-old daughter for marriage. In fact Abu Bakr was shocked by such a request. He objected that he was a foster brother to Muhammad, but the Prophet dismissed his concern saying that they were not real blood brothers and their oath of brotherhood was of no relevance in this case.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A foster son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter-in-law and they would not marry her. Also it was costmary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or wishes.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their custom Aisha was like a niece to Muhammad. But that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

However, this moral relativist prophet would use the same excuse to reject the daughter of Hamza who was also a foster brother to him because she was not pretty.

Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, “Won’t you marry the daughter of Hamza?” He said, “She is my foster niece (brother’s daughter).”

Hamza was an uncle of Muhammad and in Islam marriage between cousins is permissible. Muhammad’s excuse was that Hamza is his foster brother. In the case of Abu Bakr, that excuse was irrelevant.

In the following Hadith the Prophet confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before asking her hand from her father. Rules were to be bent whenever it suited him and were to be observed whenever they were convenient.

In the following hadith we can see that it was Muhammad who lusted Aisha when she was just a baby or a toddler.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said to me, “You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, ‘Uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), ‘Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ “

The excuse that this marriage was for political convenience, although abhorrent on its own merit, can be dismissed easily. Abu Bakr was a good friend of Muhammad. He was one of his staunch followers and his foster brother. They were of the same tribe. Hence there was no need for the Apostle of Allah to sleep with the little daughter of his follower to foster his friendship. The evidence shows that Muhammad took advantage of this man’s devotion and abused the trust that he had in him. He coerced Abu Bakr into handing him his little girl. How could Abu Bakr deny the request of a man whom he believed to be a messenger of God?

Abu Jahl (the Father of Ignorance) was a derogatory nickname that Muhammad gave to Abul Hakam (the Father of Wisdom). It’s difficult to see in what ways sleeping with a 9-year-old girl would have protected Muhammad from him? As you said this marriage took place one or two years after Hijra. His enemies were in Mecca. Even if such a marriage could have protected the Prophet, which is absurd, he was already safe in Medina. This is a moot excuse.

Anyway, the point is not that Muhammad married a daughter of Abu Bakr. The point is that he had sex with a 9-year-old child. If you say it was done to protect himself, then he was an opportunist who raped a little girl to save his own life. Please don’t say it was not rape because a 9-year-old child is not mature enough to consent and if she cannot consent it is rape. Your defense incriminates your defendant even more than my accusations.

You said the marriage was symbolic. How symbolic it could be if Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she, according to her own testimony, was still playing with her toys? He then gave her a different kind of “toy” to play with that SURPRISED that little girl.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and NOTHING SURPRISED ME BUT THE COMING OF ALLAH’S APOSTLE TO ME IN THE FORENOON.

You wrote, “As a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.” That is absolutely true. This is precisely my point. Unfortunately we are not living in a perfect world and there are people who are psychologically disturbed and violate the rules. Even today there are old men who fantasize having sex with small children, keep their photos and exchange them on the Internet. They are known as pedophiles. To protect our children we put them in jail. If the Prophet hadn’t “surprised” that little girl in the same forenoon that her mother took her to his house, I could have accepted that the marriage was “symbolic”, even though its merits are not clear. But when we see that he consummated his marriage with that little girl in the same day, it is hard to see it as “symbolic”; symbolic of what?   He set an example for all the pedophiles to rape little girls with impunity. Is this what he wanted to reach mankind?

5- Ayatollah Montazeri.

There is no doubt that the climatic conditions influence the physical and psychological growth of girls and their growth are more accelerated in hot climates.

Sina:

In the previous point you explained that the marriage was symbolic and “as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl”. But now you are approaching from a totally different angle.

I am afraid, 9 year-old girls in Arabia are still 9-year-old children. Unless you advance a scientific evolutionary theory that human race has undergone a huge mutation during the last 1400 years and in those days women reached adulthood at the age of 9, the fact remains that Muhammad had sexual feelings for an underage girl and this was wrong. He even acted on that which makes is despicable and criminal.

To be convinced that 9-year-old children were always children, even during the time of the Prophet, all we have to do is look at another hadith narrated by Aisha herself. In the following hadith she is revealing that she was playing on a swing when her mother took her to the Prophet.

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915,  also Number 4915 and Number 4915
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came, according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (pbuh), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

And she used to play with her dolls.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3327:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

As a rule one would say that if she was still playing with her dolls, she was not mature enough to learn about sex, first hand, from a man who could be her grandfather.

6- Ayatollah Montazeri.

The difference of age between men, and the women they married, in the primitive societies, was acceptable and customary. Also it was not indecent or lewd for older men to marry very young girls and people of those days did not deem that to be something immoral. Even up to this day, one can find marriages with very young girls among the Arabs. As a rule one should not compare the customs of the primitive and tribal societies with the customs of the modern and advanced societies of today.

Sina

I agree that primitive societies had some customs that are shocking to our modern sensitivity. Primitive people did a lot of things that appall us today. They had human and animal sacrifices; practiced gender discrimination, slavery and many forms of abuses of human rights. I am not condemning primitive societies for they did not know better. I am condemning modern people who follow a man who was a product of his primitive society. I am condemning a man who called himself the Prophet of Allah, the “Mercy of God in the worlds” Rahmatu’llah lil Alamin and the example for all mankind; who instead of setting the example of morality and rectitude followed the customs of his primitive society and thus reaffirmed them and perpetuated them as something to emulate. I am condemning a society that has forgotten its own past splendor and glory and is now trying to copy the customs of a primitive society and wants to establish their primeval precepts by following a man who a product of it.

Yes, we should not compare the customs of primitive and tribal societies with the customs of the modern and advanced societies of today. But why should we emulate them? Why should we follow them? Why should we accept their prophet who was incapable of breaking away from that primitiveness and barbarity?

If Muhammad were a prophet, he would have acted differently. He would have not followed the vices of his primitive society but would have set a new standard. If he followed them why should we following him? Doesn’t this make us the follower of those primitive societies?

On one hand Muslims study Muhammad’s life meticulously, try to imitate him in everything he did. They dress like him, shave like him, walk like him and talk like him, do as he did and live as he lived. They believe he was sent to be the example to all humanity. Yet you say that he did just what the ignorant people of his time used to do and we should forgive his sins because he was just a victim of his circumstances. How pitiful are we who have not seen this yet. Look what has befallen to our mighty nation that has forsaken its own glorious past and instead is blindly following a man who followed the customs of his primitive society. Could we sink deeper than this? Is there any humiliation more denigrating than this?

7- Ayatollah Montazeri

The issues of each time and place must be viewed according to the standards of their own time and place and not according to standards of other times and places. On the other hand we find that the Prophet (pbuh) practically did not confront with many customs of his own time that were not in contrast with the educational and spiritual goals of Islam, but dealt with them gradually and with realism in order to slowly eradicate them.

Sina

I agree that issues should be apprised in the context of to their own time and place. Something that was acceptable 1400 years ago in Arabia may not look that good today. Perhaps we should not judge those people so harshly. But the question is why should we follow them? The solutions that were appropriate then are no more suitable for our time. Why follow a doctrine that has lost its utility and is stuck in history?

Muslims are advised to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet. You say that the Prophet was an Arab, following the traditions of his own people, so what he did was right in that context. But by following him now aren’t we perpetuating those unfit and outdated customs of those Arabs of 1400 years ago?

You affirm that the Prophet did not confront those bad customs that were not in contrast with spiritual and educational goals of Islam. My question is then, what are the spiritual and educational goals of Islam? What is the main goal of Islam anyway? The Muslim’s answer is of course; to recognize that Allah is one and he does not have any partner and that Muhammad is His messenger. This is the main concern of Islam. Moral and ethical issues are secondary. All the sins can be forgiven. Theft, homicide, murder and pedophilia are forgivable, but assigning a partner to Allah is not.

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeedl. (Q.4: 48).

In other words, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Ben Laden, Khalkhali and Khomeini will be forgiven, despite their crimes, because they were Muslims and did not set partners to Allah, but Gandhi who was a Hindu and as Muslims claim believed in a multitudes of deities will be burned for eternity in hell.

This Allah must be sick. He is a lunatic and a very miserable being for wanting so desperately to be known by his creatures and being so jealous. If this is the god of Muhammad he is not worthy of any praise. He should be locked in a mental hospice.

As to those bad habits of the people that the holy Prophet did not confront directly, but tried to deal with them gradually in order to eradicate them, what are they? In our world, pedophilia is a crime. It’s a shame that the Prophet did not consider pedophilia important enough to deal with it immediately because it did not contrast the spiritual goals of Islam. I would have been still happy if at least he had discouraged it. But no, he didn’t. He actually endorsed it by himself setting the example. This is not the way to “eradicate” something. This is the way to confirm it, to perpetuate it and to promote it.

Prior to Islam, we Iranians were a cultured people. We did not have these barbaric customs and traditions. Thanks to Islam these shameful traditions have also crept into our culture and are being practiced in our motherland.

Pedophilia is only one of the gifts of Islam to us. The holy Prophet endorsed many traditions that are equally despicable. Assassination of one’s enemies that is now so customary in our country was also a tradition of the Prophet. He used to send assassins to the houses of his enemies to kill them at night. The “honorable” members of the Islamic Regime of Iran are following that tradition of the messenger of Allah (peace be upon his immaculate soul).

MUHAMMAD’S WARS

Question no. 2

How could someone calling himself a messenger of God raid and loot merchant caravans and villages and act like a common hoodlum and a highway robber?

Ayatollah Montazeri

As for the raids at the merchant caravans of the Quraish this caravan comprehended several wealthy Meccan enemies of Islam and was accompanied by Abu Sofyan the renowned arch enemy of Islam and the Muslims. In that year the hostilities of the Quraish and their instigations against Islam and the Muslims had intensified. Medina had just become the political and governmental center for the Muslims and it was under the attack of its Quraish enemies from every directions.

This was, and still is, an accepted practice in the world. Highway robbery however is something completely different. A highway robber is a thug and a hoodlum that endangers the lives and the safety of the people that live peacefully in their own city or country without showing enmity to others and steals their property.

Many Muslims were forced to abandon their homes due to the Quraish persecution and had emigrated to Medina These people wanted to retaliate and reclaim their properties from the Quraish. They had been informed that this caravan carried a lot of wealth. The leadership of the Muslims was also planning to render the highways that were purveying economically and militarily the enemy, unsafe. The main objective of this sudden attack was to render insecure the arteries so that the enemy is weakened in their war against the Muslims. These wars continued until Mecca was conquered.

Obviously when two countries or two forces are in war, and while there are no peace treaties between them, each side is justified to debilitate the economical and the military strength of the opposing party and threaten their security.

Sina

Dear Ayatollah Montazeri,

I would like to thank you for being truthful and unlike most of the Muslims who claim all the wars of their Prophet were defensive you acknowledge that he was actually the aggressor and it was he who raided merchant caravans. This saves a lot of time because I don’t have to list his numerous attacks at those whom he considered to be his enemies.

However, you seem to justify his raids and his killing of the civilians because as you see them they were strategic military plans to weaken the position of the enemy. Muhammad’s own excuse was that Muslims have the right to take back what the Quraish took away from them when they forced them to exile.

Notwithstanding, the truth is that Meccans did not drive the Muslims out of their homes.  They emigrated on their own volition and because of Mohammad’s insistence. At first he ordered his followers to immigrate to Abyssinia and then when he found enough disciples in Medina, he sent them thither.

Despite the fact that Muhammad constantly insulted the religion of the Quraish and infuriated them with his abrasive behavior there is no evidence violence or persecution against him or his followers recorded in Islamic annals.

Muslims today would not tolerate any criticism against their religion. They would kill at once any person who dares to question their belief. This is what the prophet taught them to do. But Arabs prior to Muhammad were more tolerant. They used to live with the Jews and Christians in harmony without any sign of religious animosity between them. The ultimate test of tolerance came when Muhammad started taunting their gods. Despite that kind of insult the Quraish evinced incredible degree of tolerance and although being offended, they never harmed him.

Compare that to the treatment of the Baha’is in Iran. Baha’is don’t insult Muhammad or his Allah, they don’t reject their holey Imams nor disagree with any part of the Quran. All they say is that their messenger is the Promised One of the Muslims. This is nothing compared to Muhammad’s affronts of the beliefs of the people of Quraish. Nevertheless, Muslims have not spared any act of atrocity against the Baha’is. They killed many of them, jailed them, tortured them, beat them, denied their human rights and treated them with utter inhumanity. None of that was done against Muhammad and his followers in Mecca even though he constantly accosted their gods with showers of taunts and imprecated their sacred beliefs, daring them to persecute, the Meccans remained tolerant.

When the Meccans had enough of it and could no longer stand his mocking of their deities, a body of their elders repaired to Abu Talib, Muhammad’s uncle and complained: – “This Nephew of thine hath spoken opprobriously of our gods and our religion: and hath abused us as fools, and given out that our forefathers were all astray. Now, avenge us thyself of our adversary; or, (seeing that thou art in the same case with ourselves,) leave him to its that we may take our satisfaction.” Abu Talib spoke to them softly and assured them he would counsel his nephew to be more deferential. But Muhammad would not change his proceedings. So they went again to Abu Talib in great vexation; and warned him that if he would not restrain his nephew from his offensive conduct, they would have to restrain him themselves. They said, “and now verily we cannot have patience any longer with his abuse of us, our ancestors, and our gods. Wherefore either do thou hold him back from us, or thyself take part with him that the matter may be decided between us.”

This is all that is recorded about the persecution of Muhammad in Mecca. The above is a warning, but it falls short of issuing a threat. Until Abu Talib was alive and even after his death Mecca no harm was inflicted upon Muhammad. Some slaves were beaten by their masters for insulting their gods, but freed when their price was paid or exchanged with a non-Muslim slave.

One act of physical violence reported against a Muslim is the beating of Omar of his own sister who had converted to Islam, which led to his own acceptance. This however cannot be called a religious persecution, but a family violence. Omar was an irritable man with an unpredictable temper who would lose his composure easily and resort to violence. Yet even this hadith may not be true because in another Hadith narrated by Omar himself he describes his story of conversion to Islam differently.

So the question arises, if there were no persecution against the Muslims, why did they migrate? We know that many of them abandoned Mecca and immigrated, first to Abyssinia and then to Medina. Why would they leave their homes if they were not in danger?

The answer to this question can be found what was going in the mind of Muhammad. It was he who asked his followers to leave. In fact he ordered them to leave making it a mandate from Allah. The Following verses clarify this perfectly.

“Lo! those who believed and left their homes and strove with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them: these are protecting friends one of another. And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes; but if they seek help from you in the matter of religion then it is your duty to help (them) except against a folk between whom and you there is a treaty. Allah is Seer of what ye do.”(Q.8: 72)

These are very harsh words against his own followers who did not leave Mecca and stayed behind. In other part he presses further this point.

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, (Q.4: 89)

In the above verse Muhammad is ordering the believers of Mecca to forsake their homes and go to Medina. He goes as far as to instruct other Muslims to kill them if they decide to return home, which is consistent with the cultic nature of Islam. So as we can witness the exodus of the Muslims from Mecca was not due to any persecution by the idolaters. There was no such a persecution even though Muhammad exasperated the Quraish to their limit of forbearance with his triad of insults. The new converts left Mecca because Muhammad asked them to. His pressure tactics was so intense that he even told them that they would go to hell if they stayed behind and did not emigrate.

Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah’s earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey’s end;(Q.4: 97)

Muhammad had plans to conquer the Arabia and subdue Persia,

The inevitable question is however: “why?”  Why would Muhammad force his followers to emigrate when they were not being persecuted? Why would he coerce them to leave their own homeland? This tactic was so unorthodox that even western historians and scholars of Islam like Sprenger and Sir William Muir have failed to see the plot that Muhammad was brewing in his mind from the very early days that he realized there are a few people who actually believed him to be the messenger of God.

Muir, in The Life of Mohammad, quotes ibn Hisham:

The Creish, hearing that Abu Talib lay at the point of death, sent a deputation in order that some contact should be made to bind both parties, after his decease should have removed all restraint upon Mahomet. They proposed accordingly that they should retain their ancient faith, and that Mahomet should promise to refrain from abuse or interference; in which case they on their part would agree not to molest him in his faith. Abu Talib called Mahomet, and communicated to him the reasonable request. Mahomet replied -” Nay, but there is one word, which if ye concede, you will thereby conquer Arabia, and reduce Ajam under subjection.” “Good!” said Abu Jahl, ” not one such word, but ten.” Mahomet replied,-” Then say,-There is no God but the Lord, and abandon that which ye worship beside him.” And they clapped their hands in rage;-” Dost thou desire, indeed, that we should turn our gods into one God? That were a strange affair!” And they began to say one to another, “This fellow is obstinate and impracticable. Ye will not get from him any concession that ye desire. Return, and let us walk after the faith of our forefathers till God determine the matter betwixt us and him.” So they arose and departed. Ibn Hisham, p.136.

From the above story we can establish several facts.

a)             The Quraish were not persecuting the Muslims and their leader, but asking him to respect their beliefs.

b)             Muhammad was adamant to continue his abrasive and opprobrious behavior towards the people of Mecca and their religion.

c)             Muhammad was dreaming to conquer Arabia and “reduce Ajam under subjugation”.

As it becomes clear, when Muhammad was still in Mecca with no more than a handful of follower he was already fantasizing to conquer Arabia and subdue Persia. Is it befitting for a messenger of God to indulge in reveries about “conquering” and “subduing”? One would expect that the one chosen by God to be the light for all mankind, to have nobler thoughts of guiding, educating and liberating people, not conquering them and subduing them. These are not the thoughts of a messenger of God, but of a conqueror and a vanquishing subjugator. These are the thoughts of despots like Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler and Saddam Hussein, but not of a prophet of God who, should radiate with love, compassion and other spiritual qualities.

Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world. He clearly had no interest in worldly gains. How come Muhammad was so concerned about power and domination?

The Prophet was indeed a vivid case of megalomania. He was a manic/depressive par excellence. When he was high, he had these grandiose thoughts of conquering the world and when he was low he would indulge in thoughts of suicide.

Sahih Bukhari V. 9, Book 87, Number 111
“….the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, “O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah’s Apostle in truth” whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before.

This change of mood gives us the clue that Muhammad was not a messenger of any god but a mentally sick, unstable manic/depressive man. His dreams of conquering and subduing were so intense, and they consumed his inner thoughts with such an ardor that they expunged the shades of right and wrong from his conscience. For him his dream of domination became his primary goal. And to achieve that goal he would stop at nothing. He lied compulsively and so convincingly that even he managed to fool himself. Although his earlier visions were the result of his hallucinations, when those hallucinations stopped he kept revealing spurious verses and perusing his dreams of grandeur with a remarkable obduracy distinctive only of mentally infirm.

Megalomaniac narcissists like Muhammad and Hitler are often charismatic people with a compelling personality. They mesmerize their audience with their speeches, their oomph and confidence. Watching Hitler’s buoyant, upbeat, inspiring speeches with his air of confidence and self-assuredness that captivated the imagination of millions of Germans can give us an insight into the mind of the Apostle of Allah and explain the mystery of his spell over his naïf and unsophisticated companions.

As he asserted in the deathbed of his uncle Abu Talib, Muhammad dreamed of conquering Arabia and subduing the mighty Persia even when his followers were but a handful of untrained and insignificant lot, with no means to fight or defend themselves. However, he was not just a dreamer, but also someone who would follow up his dreams with extraordinary single mindedness and endurance. In his quest for personal grandeur he would sacrifice everything. He would kill those who would oppose him, and slay those who would turn their backs to him. He would assassinate those who criticized him. He would wipe out the entire Jewish and Christian population from the Arabic Peninsula and execute one of the most ruthless genocides on the Jewish population of Medina and Kheibar. He would fabricate stories of jinns and angels and would fool his followers with tales of his visits to Heaven and Hell. And he would invent a god, proclaim to be his messenger and the sole contact between him and demand total and unconditional submission.

Muhammad’s dreams were of greatness and his plan was perfect. His timing was ideal and he had the best people to work with. Arabs are superstitious, bigot, fanatical, ambitious, ruthless, barbarian, stubborn, chauvinist and above all gullible and a credulous crowd. Conquering Arabia and subduing Ajam for a man of his allure in that milieu was a synch.

But how would he realize his dream without an army? How would he convince his followers to take up swords and use them against their own brothers, fathers and friends? He had to create discontent among them. He had to cause enmity where there was none. He had to incite brother against brother and divide the people so they would willingly take arms and slay each other at his behest.

On one hand he set on a campaign to imprecate the deities of the Quraish and taunt them constantly with his rude and boorish remarks to excite them and incite them to hostility who would in turn react and harass his followers and make them feel victimized and wronged. On the other hand he would force his followers to endure the hardship of exile, abandon their homes and flee to a foreign land. He put one group against the other, and caused his followers to feel persecuted.  After the immigration they were poor, sore and suffered. Muhammad needed that anger and bitterness to foster his own dominance over them and command their obedience. In order to rule, he had to divide.

In order to rule ignorant people and make them side with you, you have to give them an enemy. Nothing can make people rally around you more than a common foe. This is the oldest trick in the book, which has been used successfully by all tyrants throughout the history of mankind. Even Khomeini used that policy to strengthen his dominance over those gullible Iranians who believed in his lies.

Muhammad, who thought Allah is the best deceiver, (Makaroo va makara Allah. va Allah khyrul makereen) was a master deceiver himself. He managed to create religious hate among people who despite their ignorance and bigotry never had evinced religious intolerance before. Now he had a group of supporters who were impoverished, discontent and angry. They were ready to fight for him and help him realize his dreams. Obedience to “God and his Apostle,” became the watchword of Islam; and of course Allah would often reveal verses that gave to his apostle total authority.

Whomsoever disobeyeth GOD AND HIS PROPHET; verily to him shall be the Fire of Hell; they shall be therein always, forever! (Q.72: 23)

It is of interest to note that after enduring years of verbal abuse the Quraish boycotted Muhammad and his supporters from commercial transactions. They would not buy anything from them nor sell to them and would not marry anyone among them. They may even have threatened to punish him if he did not stop insulting their gods. Upon this Muhammad barricaded himself with the rest of his family members, the Hashemits, (excluding Abu Lahab) in a Quarter of Mecca known as She’b of Abu Talib. This self-imposed durance lasted about 3 years. During this time they would venture out at the time of hajj and retreat once the pilgrimage was over. But in no time the Quraish attacked that quarter. On the contrary, they seemed quite pleased that Muhammad was not in the streets shouting obscenities at their deities. Had the Quraish intended to persecute Muslims or kill Muhammad, they had plenty of opportunities to do so. Yet, they showed no hostility in the form of violence to any of the Muslims.

Nonetheless, the Quraish was ever suspicious of Muhammad and his movements, as they had heard that his followers were increasing in number in Medina. The tone of Muhammad’s message was of doom and gloom and his actions towards the Meccans were perceptibly hostile. It was natural to be apprehensive of his moves and watch him carefully. Their suspicion peaked when they learned that he had a clandestine rendezvous at midnight with a conclave of the pilgrims from Medina in Acaba, at the outskirts of Mecca. Meccans were not at war with the people of Yathrib (Medina) but still the Medinans were foreigners. What was Muhammad conspiring with outsiders? What was the purpose of his secret meeting with them in the middle of the night? We cannot blame the Quraish to be nervous and concerned for their security. They must have seen that secret gathering an unwarrantable interference in the domestic affairs of their town.

This forced them to meet and confer with each other to gage the gravity of the situation. The outcome of that meeting is not clear, yet it caused Muhammad to fear for his life and flee the town with his friend Abu Bakr.

Muhammad later recalls that moment and conjectures that perhaps the Meccans were plotting to detain him slay him or expel him. But there is no evidence to prove any of those charges and even he nor his All Knowing god seemed to be sure as the real outcome of that meeting.

“And call to mind when the unbelievers plotted against thee, that they might detain thee, or slay thee, or expel thee. Yea, they plotted; but God plotted likewise. And God is the best of plotters.” (Q.8: 29)

In Medina

After Muhammad and Abu Bakr fled to Medina, their families stayed behind for several weeks. But nothing befell them and the Quraish did not harm, accost or harass them in anyways. Although as Muir points out “it was not unreasonable that they should have been detained as hostages against any hostile incursion from Medina. These facts lead us to doubt the intense hatred and bitter cruelty, which the strong colouring of tradition is ever ready to attribute to the Coreish In accordance with this view is the fact that the first aggressions, after the Hegira, were solely on the part of Mahomet and his followers. It was not until several of their caravans had been waylaid and plundered, and blood had thus been shed, that the people of Mecca were forced in self-defense to resort to arms”

The fact that Mohammad and Abu Bakr trusted that their families would be safe, if left alone in Mecca, is a clear indication that the hostilities attributed to the Quraish against the Muslims is an exaggeration and an excuse or a justification for their later invasion of Mecca. None of the Muslims were exiled. All of them were able to emigrate by their own volition. A few were detained by their family members and a few who were slaves could not escape. The rest joined Muhammad with no obstruction from the Quraish.

When Muhammad reached Medina, there were about a hundred or so emigrants and perhaps an equal number of Medinans of the tribes of Khazraj and Aus who had believed in him. The Meccans were unskilled people and found employment in the fields and date orchards. They mostly worked as laborers and journeymen for the wealthy Jews. It was hard on them. The belief in Allah was good but it would not feed them.  Muhammad was aware that he could not keep his followers for long if he failed to satisfy their earthly needs. Moreover, he had made them immigrate for a purpose: to wage war for him and establish his dominance over Arabia and subdue the Persia.

His small cluster of followers was unqualified for military tasks. Yet he had offered those who left their homes a goodly home in this world and it was time to deliver his promise or face sedition and defection.
To those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, after suffering oppression,- We will assuredly give a goodly home in this world; but truly the reward of the Hereafter will be greater. If they only realized (this)! (Q.16: 41)

Whence would he provide them all the goodly things he offered them? Certainly Allah would not be able to do it himself. That is when he had to put to action the plan that he had devised years earlier. Conquering Arabia and subduing the Ajam was not possible with just a few disciples, but raiding the merchant caravans and plundering their goods was.

The Prophet turns a bandit.

So the Prophet turns a bandit and thenceforth he ceased to preach goodly words such as, “Speak good to men…” 2: 83or “Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously”.73: 10 and started to call for blood, and qateloo (fight) became the buzzword of Allah’s subsequent messages.

During the first six months of Muhammad’s arrival to Medina, nothing important happened. The immigrants, including Muhammad himself, had to struggle to make a living for shelter and food.

However, the thoughts of Mohammad were not thoughts of peace. He had plans, big plans. The number of his followers were increasing, some defecting from Mecca joining other immigrants and some accepting Islam in Medina. Now he was in a position to command a party of warriors. But the people of Medina had pledged only to defend him from attacks, not to join him in an aggression against the Quraish.

So, instead of attacking Mecca, in Dec. A.D. 622 In Ramadhan, seven months after his arrival, Muhammad dispatched his uncle Hamza, at the head of thirty Refugees, to surprise a Meccan caravan returning from Syria under the guidance of Abul Hakam (Abu Jahl). This caravan was guarded by some 300 men. Hamza’s men had to retreat empty handed to Medina and Abul Hakam proceeded onwards to Mecca. This was the first confrontation started by Muhammad, which was aborted because of shortage of men and bad planning. The god, who told Muhammad to raid and plunder, did not tell him how to do it. The Prophet had to learn it by trial and error just like any greenhorn thief.

The next event took place a month later in Jan. A.D. 623. At that time Muhammad sent another party, double the strength of the first one, under the command of Obeida, ibn Harith, in pursuit of another caravan protected by Abu Sofian with 200 men. This time the Quraish were surprised while their camels were grazing by a fountain in the valley of Rabigh and some arrows were exchanged but the invaders retreated after realizing that their number is much less than the men in the caravan.

One month later, a third expedition started under the command of youthful Sa’d, with twenty followers, in the same direction. He was desired to proceed as far as Kharrar, a valley on the road to Mecca, and to lie in wait for a caravan expected to pass that way. Like most of the subsequent marauding parties intended to affect a surprise, they marched by night and lay in concealment during the day. Notwithstanding this precaution, when they reached their destination in the fifth morning, they found that the caravan had passed a day before, and they returned empty-handed to Medina.

These excursions occurred in the winter and spring of the year 623 A.D. On each occasion, Muhammad mounted a white banner on a staff or lance, and presented it to the leader, on his departure. The names of those who carried the standard, as well as the names of the leaders, are carefully recorded the biographies of Muhammad.

There were three more failed robbery attempts by the Prophet and his men at Abwa, Bowat and Osheira.

Nakhlah the breakthrough

More than one year had past and despite several attempts and expeditions none of the holy Prophet’s robberies were successful. The megalomaniac Messenger of Allah finally realized that he has to start with smaller targets. So when the news reached him of a small merchant caravan going from Mecca to Taif which was guarded by four men, he seized the opportunity and sent Abdallah ibn Jahsh, with seven other immigrants, to hijack that caravan.

The group of bandits went to Nakhla a Valley between that Mecca and Taif known for its date orchards and waited there. In a short time a caravan laden with wine, raisins, and leather, came up. It was guarded by four Qureishits, who, seeing the strangers, were alarmed, and halted. To disarm their apprehensions, one of Abdallah’s party shaved his head, in token that they were returning from the lesser pilgrimage; for this was one of the months in which that ceremony was ordinarily performed. The men of the caravan were at once reassured, and turning their camels adrift to pasture, began to prepare food for themselves. Then one of Abdallah’s men advanced; and discharging an arrow, killed a man of the convoy, on the spot. All then rushed upon the caravan, and securing two, the rest of the guards as hostages let them along with the goods stolen to Medina. One man escaped

Upon arriving at Medina, the followers of Muhammad were disappointed for the envoy had violated a long-standing tradition of no hostility during the sacred months. This was embarrassing to the messenger of Allah and he pretended to be angry. He took all the goods confiscated and jailed the men captured and demonstrated his displeasure. But soon the resourceful Prophet took out another verse from Allah out of his sleeve and condoned the crime thus:

“They will ask thee concerning the Sacred Months, whether they may war therein. SAY : – Warring therein is grievous; but to obstruct the way of God, and to deny him, and hinder men from the Holy Temple, and expel his people from thence, is more grievous with God. Tempting (to Idolatry) is more grievous than killing. They will not leave off to fight against you until they turn you from your faith, if that were ill their power; but whosoever amongst you shall turn back from his faith and die an Unbeliever, -verily their Works are rendered of no effect in this Life and in the next. These are the Dwellers in Hell, – for ever therein. But they that believe, and they who emigrate for the sake of their faith, and strive earnestly in the way of God, – let them hope in the mercy of God: for God is forgiving and merciful.” (Q.2: 217)

After promulgating this verse, Muhammad gave over the booty to the captors, who, after presenting a fifth of it to Mohammad, divided the remainder among themselves.

Before Abdallah reached Nakhla, two of his men, Sa’d and Otba, lost their camels that wandered in the desert. They went after their camels and missed the action in Nakhla. When Abdallah returned to Medina, these two men had not returned yet. Muhammad feared that they were captured by the Quraish and refused to ransom the captives till he was assured that no foul play had been used against them: – “if ye have killed my two men,” he said, “verily, I will put yours also to death.” But, soon after, they showed up, and the Prophet accepted the proffered ransom, – forty ounces of silver for each and released them.

Attacking merchant caravans, fighting during the holy months, deceiving and killing innocent people, stealing the goods unlawfully, taking human hostages, demanding ransom for their release, threatening to kill them, etc. are not acts that one would expect from a messenger of God. What the Prophet did here is criminal. There can be no justification for that whatsoever.

It was only then that it became clear for the Quraish that their opponent respected no rules. It is interesting to note that the first blood spelt between the Muslims and the non-believers was spelt by a Muslim. In no time Muslims were victimized. They were always victimizers, the aggressors and provokers.

Ibn Hisham confirmed, “This was, the first booty that the Mussulmans obtained; the first captives they seized; the first life they took.”

The Prophet is said to have designated Abdallah, the head of the bandits of Nakhah, with the distinction of Amir al Mominin, “Commander of the Faithful” an appellation that was assumed in after days by the Caliphs.

This attack showed that the Prophet and his followers would respect neither life nor the universally honored sacred months. But still the Quraish did not retaliate. Though some of the Muslims were still in Mecca, the Quraish attempted no cruelties or reprisals against them. This is in contrast with the Prophet’s way of punishing some for the faults of others. When his men captured the guards of the Caravan in Nakhlah, he was ready to kill them just by assuming that his other lost followers were captured and killed by the Meccans. Even if that were true, how could a messenger of God put to death innocent people for the sins of others? However, the most horrendous act of the Prophet’s injustice is his massacre of all the men of Bani Quraiza in retaliation of one of them killing a Muslim who in turn had killed a Jew.

After the successful foray in Nakhlah, the Prophet increased his profitable marauding activities and became an expert in art of plundering and warfare. More caravans were attacked and more booty filled the coffins of the Prophet and enriched his followers. It was then that the messenger of Allah started to reveal verses encouraging fighting and killing. Like the following:

“Bear good tidings unto the Righteous. Truly the Lord will keep back the Enemy from those who believe, for God loveth not the perfidious Unbeliever. Permission is granted unto those who take up arms for that they have been injuriously entreated; and verily the Lord is Mighty for the assistance of those who have been driven from their homes without just cause, – for no other reason than that they said, God is our Lord. And truly if it were not that God holdeth back mankind, one part of them by means of another part (Q.22: 41)

Notice how the holy Prophet is twisting the facts to rouse his followers into killing frenzy. As we saw Muslims were not “injuriously treated” and they were not driven from their homes. The Quraish did not persecute them for their belief in God. These inflammatory verses were lies. But he wanted to incite them to enlist in his army and help him realize his dream of conquering the Arabia and subduing the Ajam.

The treaty that was signed in Medina obliged the inhabitants of that town to protect Mohammad if he was attacked by the Meccans, but it did not require them to take part in offensive wars, plunder and enrich the prophet with spoils of war. But Muhammad needed their participation in his expeditions. The solution was found, as usual, in a revelation.

“War is ordained for you, even though it be irksome unto you. Perchance ye dislike that which is good for you, and love that which is evil for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.”

At this point we have to ask ourselves what makes a man a messenger of God if not his deeds and good conduct? In what ways the Prophet excelled the common thieves, the gangsters, the thugs, the hooligans, the hoodlums and the criminals?

The ultimate question

Dear Ayatollah, in your letter you seemed to approve of what the Prophet did because the ends justified the means. You were not concerned at all that what he did was unethical, dishonest and ruthless because he was a messenger of God and because of that whatever he did, even though it was blatantly unjust was right.

The point is not who was Muhammad and what he did? Muhammad is dead and what he did is history. The point is who are WE? What can be said of a society that holds a thug, a common assassin, and a marauding thief as her spiritual leader? What can be said about us, our values and morals, when we hale a man like Muhammad as our teacher? How can we aspire to become a spiritual society when our beloved Prophet was a murderer? How can we ever establish humanistic values of tolerance, equality, justice and love when our spiritual leader had none of them?  These are the questions that our nation must answer in this crucial moment of her existence. This is the first time after 1400 years of living under terror and being blindfolded that we have the chance to see for our selves, question and face the truth.

We are what we think and we think in accordance to what we believe. Can we ever become a peaceful, loving, advanced and civilized nation when we believe in a man that was a mass murderer, a liar, a pedophile, a thief, an assassin, a rapist, a lustful womanizer, a hateful warrior, and a prowling gangster? Can we ever have peace when our Prophet taught us nothing but war? Can we ever tolerate each other and celebrate our differences when the man whom we want to emulate in everything had nothing but scorn for those who were different from him? Can we ever respect the women of our society when our spiritual guide, whom we call infallible, called them deficient in intelligence, crooked ribs, calamities and domains of Satan?  Can we ever replace the hate that is burning in our hearts for the minorities among us when our messenger said that they are najis, should be killed, or subdued, humiliated and pay Jazyah? Can we ever love each other when our Prophet told us to hate? Isn’t it true that the leaders should be ahead of his followers?  How can we go forward, when our leader was so backward?

To know Islam, and the truth about it is ultimately to know who we are, why our history evolved the way it did and how we got here? The physicians know that once the cause of a disease is discovered, the cure is around the corner. It is time that we as a society pay attention to the cause of our malaise. Perhaps we can find our remedy around the corner.

The Genocide of The Jews

Question No. 4

The Prophet introduced religious hatred in Arabia and like Hitler exterminated the Jews of Arabia in a vicious ethnic cleansing. Should a messenger of God be so ruthless?

Ayatollah Montazeri,

4-     Comparing the treatment of the Jews of Medina by the Prophet and their genocide by Hitler is unfair and very cruel. After immigrating to Medina, the Prophet dealt with the Jews with utmost cordiality. Treaties and agreements of friendship were signed between the Jews and the Holy Prophet.  It was the Jews who conspired with the Meccans and it was them who breached several treaties. Detail of these cannot be contained in this letter.

Sina

It is amazing that Hazrate Ayatollah Uzma calls me “cruel” (zalim) for comparing the massacre of the Jews of Medina to the holocaust of Hitler but does not see any cruelty in the cold blooded execution of up to 900 men, the exile of the thousands of the Jews, the slavery of their women and the complete eradication of these people from Arabia who had been calling Medina home for 2000 years. Hitler killed the Jews because of their race. Muhammad killed the Jews because of their race. Hitler intended to cleanse Germany of all the Jews. Muhammad did cleanse Arabia of all the Jews. What is the difference? Why should I be called cruel for comparing two similar episodes?

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  1. walking says:

    i was talking to fresh muslims convert in the united states on youtube 6 months ago and i asked her the same question. she YES, aslong as she knows the man will be able to support her.

    thats what i call commitment to your cult

  2. walking says:

    do you mean the moslem nahdir? that guy got absolutley embarresed by robert spencer, i felt sorry for him for a second then i remembered he is a moslem

  3. ce'ul says:

    you (ali sina)
    don't know the history of islam, expecially about muhammad

  4. ce'ul says:

    no, ali sina is a provocator… he is a loser..
    he didn't accept the challenge from the moslem scholar to debate in public forum…
    because he is afraid.. he will be defeated by the moslem…

  5. aulia rachman says:

    ali sina was defeated by muslim netter, see this article please….

    WAS AISYA PEDOPHILE’s VICTIM ??? .. how u sure ?

    ABI FATHAN==========
    i’ve Question for all FFI’s Netters ….
    ARE YOU SURE AISYA WAS A VICTIM of PEDOPHILE ??
    HOw u sure ?…..
    =================

    Ali Sina===========
    Does really anyone have to answer this question? Isn’t it clear that when you violate the purity of a little child you are abusing her? It makes not different that the father of the child is a brain dead cultists who has lost all his rational faculty and is also part of this crime. The fact that deflowering a child is a heinous crime is self explanatory.
    At the age of 18 she became a widow and as jealous and possessive was that criminal, he prohibited his wives to re-marry. Isn’t this a violation?:

    ——–
    ” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.”
    ——–

    I have shown in my book that Muhammad was impotent. He liked to go from one wife to another, visiting all of them in one night and doing nothing but fondling them. Why? It is because he was impotent. Muhammad had increases libido and decreased sexual power.
    ================

    ABI FATHAN==========
    You are completely Wrong ALI …!!!
    Muhammad was not Impotent. He maried Aisya in 622 CE but in 628 CE Muhammad maried Marya Al Qibtiya and He got a child named Ibrahim ibn Muhammad.
    =================

    Ali Sina========
    We can’t examine Aisha to determine the psychological effect of her abuse. However, Aisha is not our concern. What is the point of brining this old case is the fact that what Muhammad did is seen by Muslims as the right thing and even today children are abused sexually. We can easily measure the effect of this abuse because these victims are alive.
    ============

    finally, ABI FATHAN shows the argumen from hadeets that was used by FFI to slander RASULULLAH.SAW:

    ABI FATHAN=========
    but you cannot judge Muhammad as Pedophile if u cannot give us the evidence that Aisya was his victim …

    look at this naration :

    Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3451:
    ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Never did I find any woman more loving to me than Sauda bint Zam’a. I wished I could be exactly like her who was passionate. As she became old, she had made over her day (which she had to spend) with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) to ‘A’isha. She said: I have made over my day with you to ‘A’isha. So Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) allotted two days to ‘A’isha, her own day (when it was her turn) and that of Sauda.

    PEDOPHILE’s VICTIM LIKES LONG-LIVE WITH HER ABUSER ??
    AWESOME !!!

    THINK PEOPLES !…
    AISYA was not Pedophile’s Victim because Aisya never got Sexual Abusement from a pedophile.NO SIGN OF THAT …!
    dont make slander !!!
    I never heard pedophile’s victim feel jealous !

    Sahih Bukhari, Volumn 008, Book 073, Hadith Number 033.
    —————————————–
    Narated By ‘Aisha : I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.

    Sahih Bukhari, Volumn 007, Book 062, Hadith Number 048.
    —————————————–
    Narated By Hisham’s father : Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. ‘Aisha said, “Doesn’t a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?” But when the Verse: “(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,’ (33.51) was revealed, ” ‘Aisha said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.’.”

    THINK TWICE FOR MAKING SLANDER TO MUHAMMAD !!!

  6. Ali Sina says:

    I have posted the responses of Ayatollah Montazeri written in his own hand writing. So denying is useless.

  7. bu-ali sina says:

    it is'n a debate!!!!!
    in year 2000 one person who has bebate with dr sina(in-jebhe goftegu meli)
    ,ask the comments of dr sina from ayatolah montazeri and the picture you see,are the answer of those qusteions.
    that person give the answers to dr sina and you see dr sina published it as debate!!it is a big ly.
    the office of ayatoyah montazeri had saye,they dont know who is dr sina??!! and deny that debate.
    however dr sina without trust,proposed the every part of the text that he want and answer it as a debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Polaris says:

    Well done Ali! The world needs more people like you! Well done!

  9. Hassan says:

    In The Name Of Allah

    Surah Fathiha 1:1

    In the Name of Allâh, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

    If thou bring them not a revelation, they say: "Why hast thou not got it together?" Say: "I but follow what is revealed to me from my Lord: this is (nothing but) lights from your Lord, and Guidance, and mercy, for any who have faith."

    7:203

    When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace: that ye may receive Mercy.

    7:204
    and many more,if u want..

    OK,if you think that Ur on the right path,tell Jesus,to open the heaven,and i will believe in u,but sorry Jesus p.b.u.h was never closer to Allah as Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s,

    Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

    When Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    John chapter 14 verse 16:
    "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

    Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

    "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
    proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
    come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version

    Muslims do follow Jesus (pbuh) more than Christians do. He had come to confirm the Prophecy that came before him, not to change it. Just like Jesus (pbuh), you will find that the other prophets also prayed the same way by prostrating themselves. Christians do not pray like the prophets and Muslims do. But just because someone follows Jesus (pbuh) more than someone else, doesn't mean that person is better than someone else.

    Jesus (pbuh) had never said that he was God and never told anyone to worship him. Like you said, Jesus (pbuh) prayed to God. If Christians believe he is God, then who did Jesus pray to? Himself? They also believe that he was nailed to the cross. Therefore, they believe God is dead. They say Jesus (pbuh) is God and that he was nailed to the cross (killed). Their beliefs don't make sense.

    Other Christians believe that Jesus (pbuh) is the Son of God. They actually think he is a demi-god. He would say that our father and his father are same. He was refering to God. It is ok to say that we are all God's children. It is NOT ok to say that God begot a son (this would imply procreation). Mary was a virgin. If some people think that because Jesus (pbuh) was born without a human father that makes him some sort of god, then what do those people think about Adam (pbuh)? He was the first human and had no mother or father. Do that make Adam (pbuh) greater?

    DO YOU WANT MORE PROOF?

    You still have time,repent to Allah(s.w.t),before it's too late…

    Allah Bless Us….

  10. rembrandt_gg says:

    Even if mohammad came here, he would be presenting the same arguments. He cannot win defending Islam against the arguments presented in this blog. Its Islam and not Muntaziri that is the loser.

    If you are so beating yourself into a frenzy thinking you can still defeat the arguments given here, present your side of Islam from Quran. Show us the Quranic verses that lead you to moral, pure and heavenly eternal life.

    This blog says Islam is a lie perpetrated by Muhammad an Impotent, mentally ill coward, with a sick and greedy ego. Either counter these accusations or watch Islam die of its own activities.

  11. Ghulam-e-Hussain a.s says:

    Ali Sina,do whatever you want but ur giving loss to ur self.

  12. Denny says:

    The world will surely much better without jihad. Jihad was the idea of muhammad. So the world will be better without muhammad.
    Sina tried to convince the poeple all around the world not to follow muhammad. Surely the world will be better if people not follow muhammad.
    So I think in the end the world will be better because of Sina.

    If you can not show why Sina is mentally ill, I am not sure your position in this world, not comical not even funny.

  13. EntoyDaDragoN says:

    One of my all time debate favorites!!!

  14. EntoyDaDragoN says:

    If the 54 yr old muhammad wanted your only 6 yr old child to be his 12th wife, would you say YES to him?

  15. Prithvi says:

    Maruf,

    You have been asking the same question on so many forums time and again with the same set of examples.
    Chances are that you here on this forum not to discuss something in a constructive manner but just to waste time of others by finding out eventually the weaker points of other religions in order to defend yours but I would still give you the benefit of doubt and like to ask you one straight question.

    Are you a criminal by profession, have you done something wrong, immoral or inhuman with an innocent in your life till now?
    If the answer to the above question is NO then why are you not confident about yourself and so afraid of the afterlife?
    Would you behave in the same manner if falsely implicated in some legal case?

  16. Said Singh says:

    Mr.Maruf,
    You have asked very good questions,but if Mr. Sina advise you of any other religion,then he will become more controvertial as he is already among muslim brotherhood because of facts he present.I being an exmuslim searched many philosophies of religion.But philosophy of Sikhism touched me most because it teaches how a person can become God himself.It strenghten the soul which is not effected by good or bad because it become truthful. We can achieve a state of mind when we see god in everything as saying ' if you don' t see god in all you don't see god at all'.

    Said Singh

  17. Sanada_10 says:

    At least he is an honest person who can bravely admit that Muhammad was belonged to primitive era including his standard and morality.

  18. yousaf says:

    Let go of Islam and you will be a much happier man. I tried it and it worked just amazing for me.

  19. yousaf says:

    "The difference of age between men, and the women they married, in the primitive societies, was acceptable and customary. Also it was not indecent or lewd for older men to marry very young girls and people of those days did not deem that to be something immoral. Even up to this day, one can find marriages with very young girls among the Arabs. As a rule one should not compare the customs of the primitive and tribal societies with the customs of the modern and advanced societies of today" Ayatullah

    He just called the prophet and his way of life primitive?????? Then why the F is he following him???

  20. Maruf says:

    According to Blaise Pascal (in article http://alisina.org/what-if-god-exists/) we should believe in God. Because if we now believe that there is no God, but after death suddenly found that there is really a God, then no scope to rectify, straight looser. But If we believe in God in this life, then we will be in safe side whether there is God exists or not. So what we have to do is to find out the only true / loving God among the Gods in various religions.

    If Dr. Ali Sina was honest, suppose one of my friends called me, Maruf come out of your home, right then I will asked him where I will live at night? If he could not provide me another home than he has no right to call me come out? My friend should first manage another better home for me if he wants me to leave my current home. But Mr. Sina is not doing that he should have at first come up with a truer / lovelier God comparing to Muslim God before asking Muslims to denounce their faith. But without giving a solution he is offering a problem. This proves that Mr. Ali Sina has something hidden in his mind.

    He also suggests that to live ethically this will be enough for you. I am also agree with him in this regard.

    But who will decide the ethics meaning which is bad or which is right?

    Somebody tells, looking to a woman is bad, somebody tells looking is ok but touching is bad, somebody tells shaking and kissing is ok but adultery is bad, somebody tells everything is ok if both agree. Somebody tells Gay is very bad, some tells no it is their right. Some tells to be vegetarian is right , some tells no everything which is permitted can be eaten . Some tells bikini is perfect because it reveals the whole beauty, some tells no- woman should be modestly covered. Doctors say alcohol is harmful but it is permitted in many countries. Some says gambling is bad because it looses man financially, socially but many countries has permitted it. Some says interest is not bad for economy although it can’t resist recession, others tell that Islamic banking is less affected by the recession. A robber says robbery is good because he can earn much money with less effort and enjoy a luxurious life but the victim will say it is crime.

    For these reasons laws of every country differs each other and there is a continuous clash between pro and con.

    So the question is that who will define the good or bad or set limit. It is obviously the God, the Creator. Otherwise every right or wrong i.e. ethics becomes meaningless. So Gods presence/guidance is essential.

    So what is Dr. Sina doing, he is trying to make Muslims ex, without suggesting a more true God/religion for them. He wants to bring them out of home to under the sun, rain, storm, danger. It is inhuman. He is utilizing his brilliancy, literacy for misleading people, for the evil of the society.

    [email protected]

  21. brian says:

    Dr Sina — fantastic — NO FEAR — i love that

  22. Songadh Lion says:

    Wonderful Sina Sir. You are the ultimate when it comes to debates. You have a mine full of information sourced directly from the Quran the hadiths the siras, and the best part is you give these Mulla and Imams a dose of their own medicines. Cheers my hero

  23. John K says:

    Always love your insights, Stephanie. Thanks.

  24. Hypatia says:

    Ali amazing again 😀
    I love reading your articles and debates, the truthfull, logical contents and your eloquent style of writing are a pleasure to read.

  25. srk says:

    see the facts my brother this is truth .actully you have to change ur relegion this better 4 u .

  26. Ali Sina says:

    It is not difficult. It will happen. After all Muslims are humans and are endowed with brain. The difficulty is to convince them to read my book. I am certain that this book will make any Muslim who reads it doubt his faith. It will happen. As more Muslims leave Islam they join us. They become part of the army of light and we become stronger. We do not eliminate our enemy, we absorb them and become stronger. It might seem impossible but we are going to see the end of Islam in our own lifetime.

  27. Rational Mind says:

    Dr Ali Sina, Bravo! You are doing a great job! When you think carefully, it is very difficult for one to give up the religion he is born into, more so if it is a mindless cult like islam. I feel pity for the people who cry for Muhammad and feel emotional when they hold the Quran, for they don't have the eyes to see how poisonous the root of this religion is. It'll be a very, very diffucult task to make more than a billion muslims introspect – it is possible only if there were a million Ali Sinas in this world.

  28. John K says:

    There is no misreporting or misinformation. Everything Dr. Sina quotes is authentic Islamic doctrine. Good Muslims are proud of the things Dr. Sina criticizes.

  29. BMZ says:

    Steve,

    Hitler can only be compared with Joshua of the Bible. Ali is doing no great job. He has simply been misinforming and misreporting and ignorant fools fall for his deceit.

  30. Ali Sina says:

    To see Islam is a lie, one does not have to be a genius. All you need is commonsense.

    Have you ever wondered if Islam is from God why it is impossible to refute my charges? Why can't Muslims prove the claims of Muhammad? Does God love stupid people?

    If God exists, he has given us intelligence to use it to fine the right way.When you apply intelligence to Islam you find it is the wrong way.

  31. rony says:

    WELL! MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH. BUT HERE I FIND OUR BELOVED ALI SINA AS AGAINST FOS. I POSTED A COMMENT PRAISING DR SINA AND BEING A GENTLEMAN HIMSELF, HE FELT SO ASHAMED THAT HE DIDNT EVEN PUBLISH IT.

  32. Ronny says:

    WELL. THIS IS MY 3RD ATTEMPT TO POST WITHIN A SPAN OF AROUND 40 ODD MINUTES. FIRST 2 WERE NOT PUBLISHED BY ALI SINA. SEEMS LIKE HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF EXPRESSIONS LIKE THE MUSLIMS! IN THOSE 2 COMMENTS I JUST PRAISED OUR RESPECTED BELOVED WISE ALI SINA, BUT HE WAS SO DOWN TO EARTH THAT DID NOT SHOW IT.

    MUHAMMAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE MENTALLY ILL ACCORDING TO SINAJI BUT SOMEHOW I FEEL THAT IT IS SINAJI WHO IS MENTALLY ILL, I DONT KNOW REALLY.

    THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER WITHOUT SINA, BUT THE WORLD IS MUCH COMICAL BECAUSE OF SINA.

  33. rony says:

    WELL DONE, ALI SINA, SORRY DR ALI SINA. U R A GENIUS.

    IF THERE IS REALLY ANY GOD, HE HAS MADE U A GENIUS.

    AND THERE IS A GOD INDEED AND HE HAS MADE U A GENIUS INDEED, JUST LIKE THE SATAN IS ALSO A GENIUS IN HIS OWN MISSION.

    I FEEL SO PITY TO SEE SATANIC ACTIVITIES. OF COURSE, SATANS ARE THERE IN MUSLIMS. THEY ARE THERE IN NON-MUSLIMS. ONE EXAMPLE IS RESPECTED (!) DR ALI SINA.

  34. Dara says:

    How in the world can a man in Iraq have your marvellous serveces?
    This is such unbelievable source-I should have known that much sooner so that not to prick my ears up any more to the words of mullahs here in Kurdistan..!
    THANK YOU AND BEST.

  35. kurda says:

    ali sina is there anyway we can get your articles in kurdish? thank you

  36. Steve says:

    When I compare Mohammed to Hitler on CNN blogs I get censured somehow. Well on this blog I can say that Mohammed and Hitler share the same genes. You are doing a great job Ali. Many people have opened their minds after reading your articles.

    Thanks

  37. Freedom for Humanity says:

    This was simply brilliant! Something's telling me that AM apostatized after (or perhaps during) this debate… Keep it up Ali, I hope one day you debate a Senior Sunni Cleric from AL AZHAR in Egypt. I'm sure you'd give him a very hard spanking too… lol

  38. revealed says:

    I could not help laughing imagining the facial expressions of AM responding to your smart arguments. His arguments are simply weak and silly. His defense to mohammad is indeed insulting humanity. Where are his brain and heart gone?. I enjoy this debate so much. Ali, you are simply brainy!

  39. JCS says:

    It seems AM is fully blinded by the devil

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