The Day of Judgment

Muslims believe that when a person dies two angels, Nakeer and Munkar will visit him in his grave. They will question him about his faith. If he is a believer his tomb will be widened 70 cubits square (14.17 sq meters) and it will be illumined. Then he will be told to sleep like a bridegroom until the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will raise him up to reward him. If he is found a “hypocrite” (a disbeliever) they will order the tomb to squeeze him until his ribs are crushed.

Note that the actions of the person are not called into account. All that matters is whether he believes in Muhammad or not. That is all Muhammad wanted. He wanted people to believe in him. That was his only goal.

The Quran says that at the Day of Judgment, the Heaven will be split asunder (Q.84:1) and it will heave with (awful) heaving (Q.52:9), the Sun is overthrown (Q.81:1), the Earth is shaken with her (final) earthquake (Q. 99:1), the moon is eclipsed (Q.75:8) and Angel Israfil will sound the trumpet and all living creatures, mankind, angels and jinn then living, will die. Another blast and all will be raised to life. Allah’s throne will appear in the clouds, carried by 8 angels. Believers will receive a book of their deeds in their right hand, and unbelievers in their left hand. The books will be opened and men’s works weighed on scales (mizan). In fear, men will look for someone to plead with Allah. They will go to Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but find no help. At last they will turn to Muhammad.

Muslims also believe that there is a bridge across Hell, named Sirat, which is sharper than the edge of sword and thinner than a hair. Faithful Muslims will cross over it in the “twinkling of an eye” and enter Paradise. Other Muslims may fall into Hell, but will later be released. Unbelievers will fall into Hell and remain there forever.”

No one knows the exact time for the Day of Judgment, but it is going to be a Friday 10th of Muharram. At that time Allah will resurrect all the dead. He will collect their dispersed dusts and call them to visit him. People will see Allah as clear as seeing the sun in a not cloudy day. Then he will judge them based on their beliefs. Those who did not associate any other God with Allah, irrespective of what crimes they have committed, will go to Paradise.

There are also verses in the Quran that speak of good deeds.

[Al-Imran 3:30On the Day when every soul will find itself confronted with all that it hath done of good and all that it hath done of evil (every soul) will long that there might be a mighty space of distance between it and that (evil).

However, evil for Muhammad did not mean what we think of it. By evil he meant disbelief. This is clear from the following verse.

[Ibrahim 14:44] And warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them, and those who did wrong will say: Our Lord! Reprieve us for a little while. We will obey Thy call and will follow the messengers. (It will be answered): Did ye not swear before that there would be no end for you?

For Allah nothing is more abhorrent than disbelief and once you believe all your sins will be forgiven, and your place in paradise is guaranteed. In a Hadith noted by Bukhari, the importance of belief over good deeds is emphasized.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 445:
Narrated Abu Dhar: The Prophet said, “Gabriel said to me, ‘Whoever amongst your followers die without having worshipped others besides Allah, will enter Paradise (or will not enter the (Hell) Fire).” The Prophet was asked. “Even if he has committed illegal sexual intercourse or theft?” He replied, “Even then.”

For disbelievers there is no salvation.

[al-Ma’idah 5:36As for those who disbelieve, lo! if all that is in the earth were theirs, and as much again therewith, to ransom them from the doom on the Day of Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful doom.

[al-Kahf 18:106That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a jest of Our revelations and Our messengers.

[Ta Ha 20:100Whoso turneth away from it, he verily will bear a burden on the Day of Resurrection,

We humans put a lot of emphasis on helping each other and on charitable works. Will those good deeds have any effect? No!  Allah does not give a hoot whether you spent your entire life serving other humans and doing good deeds. If you did not believe in Muhammad you will go to hell no matter how much good you have done and if you believed in him all your sins and crimes can be forgiven.

[al-`Ankabut 29:25The love between you is only in the life of the world. Then on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers.

“The love between you is only in the life of the world,” says Allah.  Methinks these words cannot be from the creator of mankind. They must belong to a man who was unable to love and never experienced it.  They describe the mind of a narcissist.

For a narcissist love has a very utilitarian scope. He loves others in the same way that he loves an object, like his car. As long as others satisfy his narcissistic needs, praise him, adulate him, attend to his physical and emotional needs, he loves them. If they fail in that he discards them, with the same emotional detachment that one would discard a broken car not worth fixing.  The narcissist loves his spouse, children and friends as long as they provide him with his narcissistic supply and bolster his self image as a successful husband, father, citizen, etc. He loves others as long as they satisfy his needs and he can exploit them. He will discard them when he no longer needs them.

The Quran says the face of those who did not accept Allah will be blackened so they can be easily identified.

[az-Zumar 39:60And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell?

Does that mean that the black people will go to hell mixed up the unbelievers whose faces will turn black?

Now this is quite an insult to blacks, but strangely they are the ones who are flocking to Islam. Little they know that Muhammad was quite scornful of blacks.

This stereotyping is reaffirms in another place.

[Al-Imran 3:106On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved.

The absurdity of these tales is self-evident. However, Muslims are unable to reason. What is the use of a wide and illumined grave to a deceased?  Has anyone seen a widened and illumined grave?  Is the grave of Muhammad himself widened?

Islamic Paradise is a physical place. That is why Allah has to collect all the dust of the dead people to punish or reward them. That makes even less sense when we know that we constantly renew the elements that compose our body.

Muhammad had no idea of the spiritual reality of man that is believed to be independent from the material world. Allah’s rewards are whores, wine, honey, gardens, mansions, cloths with golden embroidery and other material objects.  If paradise is a spiritual realm what is the use of all these?  His punishment is also physical – fire. Heaven, in Islam, is the place where believers will be reclining under the shade of trees, eating and drinking, and screwing the whores.

[Surah 55:54-46]They will recline on carpets whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the fruit of the gardens will be near. In them will be (Maidens), Chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (virgins).”

Emotionally healthy people cannot be happy when they know their loved ones are suffering.  There is something that binds us people together. It is called love. Unless you are a narcissist, you can’t possibly have fun, engage in debauchery and bang whores all day, when you know that your nearest and dearest are suffering.  Can anyone possibly enjoy all the goodies of paradise when his loved ones are burning in hell?

Allah and his prophet did not think of that.  That is because Allah is the figment of Muhammad’s imagination and Muhammad was a narcissist. Narcissists feel no love for anyone.  The prophet assumed everyone is like him – emotionally sterile, bereft of feelings and empathy.

Can anyone enjoy paradise when they know that their loved ones who did not believe are being tortured in hell? Obviously Muslims can.  If they are capable of murdering their nearest and dearest when they latter leaves faith, they are capable of rejoicing also if they are tortured in hell. Once a person becomes a Muslim, he becomes possessed by the spirit of Muhammad and loses every trace of humanity.

Good deeds have no merits. Belief in Allah and his messenger is the only requisite to inherit this materialistic paradise.

This place is only for Muslims. One cannot enter the paradise by believing in God. It’s is the belief in Muhammad that will guarantee such passage.  In one place we are lead to believe that People of The Book, i.e. Jews and Christians will be saved,

[al-Hajj 22:17Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters – Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.

Then again, this is contradicted by another verse.

[al-Ma’idah 5:14And with those who say: “Lo! we are Christians,” We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork.

The same is said of the Jews (Q.10:93).  According to Islamic thinking, Mother Theresa will be burning in the Hell while Khomeni and Saddam Hussein will go to heaven because they believed in Allah and his messenger.

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  1. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    [youtube iYDRpJNqwhY&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYDRpJNqwhY&feature=youtu.be youtube]

    First Seen, hear and understand how is Jannat and for waht Muslims are killing human being. Such type of teaching made a human mentally disorder 

  2. narcole1919721 says:

    Lol you dont know the difference between qadha and qadar x'D did you attend majlis ta3lim yet 😉

  3. narcole1919721 says:

    Nothing will happen without izin of Allah 🙂

  4. chuck says:

    @narcole1919721
    //qiyamat will happen when all mukminin disappear//
    But since qiyamat will surely happen and it will only happen when there are no more 'mukminin', as you say and everything happens with the will of Allah. Hence the Islamic Dawah is Anti-Islamic, since it goes against the will of Allah!!

  5. chuck says:

    @narcole1919721,
    Poor girl one question and see what happened to you. You are confused between Qadha and Qadar!! Thats Judgement Day for you, an utterly confusing creation which goes tangential with other definitions imposed on the Islamic God. If it is only Qadah then what happens after death, the person sins and repents only in this life and it also means Allahs knowledge is only a guess, he needs to edit his book too frequently and if Qadar then the futility of the Judgement Day is palpably exposed!!! 

  6. chuck says:

    @narcole1919721
    //whos the idiot here.//
    We know, we know.

    //of course sneezing is healthier for the person. Helps reducing amount of germs/virus in his body. shouldnt hold it inside  if u catch it u may sneeze too. //
    When did I say sneezing is harmful? It is harmful for the person who is near the person who is sneezing. And no yawning will not cause Jinns to migrate en masse into your mouth (unless you haven't washed it for years in which case I might as well believe you). YAWNS!!!!!

  7. Sakat says:

    I found the best question overall is ,why/ Mohammed married a child of 6 year when he was 52 year old .I would rather accepted his act ,provided he would have said i am normal man.But he said he is Prophet ,this has not gulf down my throat ,do your exercise and,then come and answer this my simple question.

  8. chuck says:

    @narcole1919721,
    You couldn't even answer a simple one!! Ok here are some questions, all inter-related for you: 1. In how much time will there be the Judgement Day, infinite or infinite time? 2. What is the purpose of Judgement Day when Allah already knows who did what? 3. If Allah has foreknowledge and already knows what we (including muslims) are going to get, then why Muhammad even needs to intercede? 4. Can Muhammad's intercessions change what Allah has already decreed for the souls? 5. Isn't it true that Muhammad wasn't sure whether he goes to heaven or hell, if so, then who can confirm where he is right now?

    There will be follow up questions depending on your answers. If have a habit of running away from pointed questions. Just give to-the-point answers (possibly with references).

  9. narcole1919721 says:

    *gives you long time to think what to ask while i enjoy ibadah ramadhan in peace* B)

  10. narcole1919721 says:

    Is that ur best question? x'D

  11. Sakat says:

    Their are no high quality knowledge in Quran baby ,how can we ask ?.

  12. narcole1919721 says:

    Read alot and collect all quality questions, then ask. lll give you time to search and copy paste  😉

  13. narcole1919721 says:

    Any more quality questions? Come on, give me harder questions. and i dare you to serve me if i could answer ur questions 😉

  14. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,
    "ur embarrasing urself now. all my words clear enough for people who have intelligence." What embarrasing for my self this is for your self because you are in the path of killing supporter so this is embarrasing for yourself not for myself.
    " im just wasting time here, replying you" Yes you are just wasting your time and till now not replied any question only parry all question so you waiting your time along with other also because you know only procrastination.
    "sakat and namimah slave also not worthy" so we have decided for yourself you will be the next lady prophet Messenger of Allah till now Allah not send any lady messenger from his side and I award you a highly sublimed savant with Ignominious attitude. 
    "chuck and demsci got better iq in understanding simple words" I've already read in History about such policy for Englishmen who believe in divide and rule policy but  there is another proverb for yourself divide and weak policy. 
    " i wil only respond you and others if you got better high quality questions" Because you are not able to reply any question logically you only know evade because you also know about your lovely prophet he was rapist so you are not able to reply till now and it is enough for yourself to tell a lie.

  15. narcole1919721 says:

    Nizam, ur embarrasing urself now. all my words clear enough for people who have intelligence. Im sorry you dont have ability to digest simple words. im just wasting time here, replying you. sakat and namimah slave also not worthy. chuck and demsci got better iq in understanding simple words. i wil only respond you and others if you got better high quality questions. *pokes* 🙂

  16. narcole1919721 says:

    Why do you keep asking questions i can easily answer? 🙂 alright i show you the ayat which tell killing innocent infidels is bad. And im sure ur too lazy to search on net or open real quran. Have better questions? Oh come on. Any moslem can easily answer. Btw i keep answering ur silly easy questions and waste my time for it. What will you give to me for every answered question? 😉 count how many i already answered. How about one answer for one hour sweeping a street? :]

  17. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,
    No you told that they also killing Moslem why because they attacked on the land of theirs but you support Muslim why because you are a Muslim and your brain is captured by Muhammad and Allah that is synonyms of Satan and satan make us killer, hatefulness, cruel and told us to make blind faith on me because satan is in always in fear  to the good things all society teach us killing is bad things but Islam teach us to kill, to hate, not share our feelings with friends if he is non-believers (Means not believe in Satan) and do give the proof from your quran that if any Muslim kill a non-believers it is bad. No you could not because Quran always teach us to kill and killing is always in your mind you think to kill anyone if I will be front of you this time you will also kill me. Because your word is giving the message about yourself. Literature is the mirror of society and word is the mirror of particular Individual (Personality) you was telling I never think to kill anyone in my life but I think you never have your meal without killing any things. You are abusing time and again and I already told to you a person use abusive word that show he is short temper and such people are too much danger for society and world because they first abuse and after that make plan to kill anyone. 

  18. narcole1919721 says:

    Hello? Did you read my message? Quran said it clears us the difference between haq and bathil, good and bad. Its clear. Its your sins that make you too dumb to understand? Is my message still not clear? You keep repeating clear book, clear book. While i keep explaining, quran didnt say clear book clear book, quran said it clears us the difference between haq and bathil. Its ur sins that makes you dhal, dumb, deaf, and blind. Capisce? Need glasses and hearing aid too? http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/fully_deta

  19. narcole1919721 says:

    Only mosque built with dirty money. Not ikhlas.

  20. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,
    There it comes from your heart the reality that you are a really liar. And the truth is that Hinuds never go to Arab to attack it was arabic who attacked some where they defeated and the people where they are peacefully Muslims spread like in the place of HInudism and Buddhism. but your story is different if they are attacker so why today's there culture in in society with name airlines currency. Meghavati Sukarno Purti, Imam Samudra (Samundra is the sanskrit word)bali Bomber and your airlines name is Garuda and currency contain the picture of Ganesha  why? You request to your government to change the name of Airlines as Gabriel and put the picture of Muhammad on the place of Ganesha, Because Ganesh is Hindu lord or What I do not know but I heard that Indonesian Muslims are kafir they use the picture of Ganesha so you also kafir because such currency comes in your hand you be a kafir who killed your ancestor. Pooh narcole your attitude teach me really Islam make all the man who will follow this by heart an evil. First I was thought  that Arabian is stupid and bloody but today I got all the man who is embracing Islam means he is wolf or Lion and the combination of fox  cunning guy. One side you told first Ramdaan day I'm busy in my holy month but I never saw that you are busy in your rituals why because Islam made you quarreler so always it is in your mind how to fight to other, hot to dominate this world. Other constructive things never come in your mind. Because a book that teach one time for peace and 164 times for Jihad what will happen. 

  21. narcole1919721 says:

    I only asked you to imagine titanic. i didnt tell more. ur imagination went too far. that was the answer so that you could understand my words, if you were an atheist being drawned into dark ocean alone, and nobody could save you. And the only think that would be in your mind is, god. not mommy nor daddy. they couldnt hear you.

  22. narcole1919721 says:

    Nah, remember story about the similarity between dr dashti and fake professors and kings tomb. Fake professors told lies. Its the hindu infidels who also killed moslems and the king. But in the end the zhalim invidels died too. Btw my ancestors also arabs european indian also chinese. So dont create fitnah namimah again, or ill call you fitnah slave.

  23. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole this answer show that you also a liar and made a good plot like Muhammad to keep the people in darkness, what will you got dear narcole to tell so many lies in this world. Nothing will get you remember your past glorious history that is ruined by these Islamist for establishing the Islamic sultanate over whole world. Your ancestor  was Buddhist that is bluntly killed by these Muslims who are from Malaysia or Arab they destroy everything but today you have forget while your culture is till showing all these things that your ancestor  was Hindus or Buddhist but due to Parmeshwar(Iskandar Sah) how many Buddhist killed there were not information because Buddhist are believe in non-violence. I'm not suggesting yourself you again embrace Hinduism or Buddhism but think and feel the pain of your forefather how they migrated or killed and your foremother was forcefully raped by them how it was for them. Just think and imagine that scene. if today such activity might be again be happen with any lady how will you feel. Be proud that Muslims are raping non-believers and this is the ticket of journey to heaven.  

  24. Abdul says:

    @Kaffir narcole
    Quran is book which is easy to understand as per Allah so question of misunderstanding does not arise. Why do you think Quran can be misunderstood? Quran is book of clear understanding. Quran is not  like mathematics  and science book in which one need to put brain to understand. Quran is easily understandable even a illiterate person can understand Quran easily.

  25. Abdul says:

    @NARCOLE
    Dear, Once again you are preaching against Quran by putting allegations  they interpreted wrongly. Why did they fail to understand exact meaning of it. Allah himself claimed he has mentioned all things in Quran is very clearly and easy to understand. If you claim Quran is not easy to understand you are kufr in the eyes of Allah because Allah himself claimed Quran is easy to understand.

  26. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole 1919721, 

    if he did then it also come on news and it will publish in paper or will be on website will you provide us the link. Becuase you have mentioned above about him he is too much popular even if a Chinese Buddhist monk also visited Indonesia to hear his popularity. So Please provide us that link. and give more about so we can also know his truths  

  27. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

     Dear Narcole 1919721, When People in fear and in problem he also cry mom……. mom…. save me, Dad……. dad……… save me means now you can think these are also god. That time anyone sank in river he cry for save his life to rescue team and  rescue team save him/her life, that time to whom you will say thanks to Allah or rescue team. As per your opinion Allah put you in water for sank but it is rescuer who save our life. But you will appreciate Allah. If you or anyone think there is Allah/God or Bhagwan is exist first Allah/God or Bhagwan has to take the responsibility for our sin because he teach us we always read in our book that Allah gives us wisdom, did you pray any time to Satan you give me bad habit  no never so all these things that is happening in our life is the responsibility of Allah he is making sin by us, he is teaching bad things to us,  he taught us to make man as a slave, keep your wife in open jail (short name Burqa), you prepare your child for Jihad, and after that what a human being got, hatefulness, blood everywhere,  and this blood is no other one’s this will be our brother and sisters who share his/her feelings with us, joy his/her life and make this earth beautiful with his/her activity. Today we are talking about judgment day it will not be happen, yes this human life will be lost by two reasons first is religion that teaches us to spread hatred against other religions,  today’s Illiterate and True Muslims teenagers taking too much interest in the last day and they are blasting himself why? Because such step assists them to get position in heaven where they will be with unmarried girl, these girls are only for Jihadist.   I ask to the all religious teacher why not you are going first why not say to your own kids they all are in heaven with you but they know nothing is if you won in this fight I’ll really be in a good position and instruct them as a king, after myself my child become the king everything is here they know it very well.   And if it will not happened then the sun dies then there will be nothing left of the universe but darkness, emptiness and absolute cold.

  28. narcole1919721 says:

    Unlike scholars who still seeking fame and money. 

  29. I-HATE-ISLAM says:

    charcoal/narcotics,
    Dr. Bailley, the French 'scientist' who said he carried out the findings on 'pharaoh's' body only said that the Egyptian monarch died as a result of drowning as "stated in the quran". So he concluded that the quran is correct. He never converted to muhammadanis which prompted people to asked why he remained and died an infidel in spite of his so-called findings. The answer is: FINANCIAL INDUCEMENT. Bailley was as at the time of his 'research' the specialist physician to the Saudi royal family. Long before the quran was concocted, the Bible had recorded that pharaoh and his host were drowned in the Red Sea. There was nothing spectacular about Bailley's so-called findings. It is good to see how the infidel pseudo-scientists invent evidence in support of the quran and then smile to the bank. I wish there will be much more of such conmen.BRAVO TO THOSE WHO HAVE SUCCEEDED SO FAR.

  30. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    After following this you will found yourself free, you will live for human being, you will found everything because after that your mind started to Judge what is wrong and what is right. With a religion we have to support false, blind faith by heart while we all know this is wrong but we have to support these things. Today you and some guys defending Islam why because this religion told you if you will follow it is sure you will be near Allah, Christina also teach you if you follow Jesus you will be near a supreme power and Hinduism teach you will be in Sawrag to follow me. but each and every religion heaven and hell is different. In Islam on the earth alchohal is prohabited but in Jannat Ul firdaus there were a canal of wine, while in Hinduism there were no canal or river of wine but milk is there. In Islam hell contain fire where non-believers will burn and in Hinduism what kind of sin you have done such will be again repeated with yourself. Like you have give more burden on ox in Oil-meals there were also a Oil-Meals and there you will in the place of ox. You are consuming wine on earth you will be drink hot water forcefully and so many things. All religion claim I'm true and near to god but the punishment of god changed why because all this differ to each other due to the imagine of people who are the first preacher/founder of religion. You have mentioned above that there were a sheikh in Indonesia who can explain everything that happened, happening and will happen in your life from quran but he do not more popular why because lots of people know the truth, if he know everything so why not he get the path to protect himself from that disaster why not he describe about Tsunami of 26 December-2004 in this disaster 230,261.00 people casualties and 6,222.00 missed (both data is approximately ) he should have to inform the government and all the people who are living in that area. Some people say both mixed, like you are feeling pain and before some months ago such condition was like that and everyone think my past is better but these days I'm feeling really sorrow  why not he claim that since this date you problem was starred and till date it will be continue, he can't. because they are smart guy and feeding himself and his child and wife to To grind one's own axe nothing more.  

  31. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,
    This is your illusion or other people who are in  fear of Imaginary God, 
    Read and one time you  follow all this things and found the changing in yourself. Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world, the fear of wild animals, of not being able to find enough food, of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of gods in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god or gods gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in a particular god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. That god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. First you try to understand your fears, to lessen your desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. It replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.The second reason all Atheist do not believe in a god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Atheist suspends judgment until such evidence is forthcoming.The third reason all Atheist do not believe in a god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin on the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of atheists and free-thinkers; some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties, through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Atheist do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, Atheist see that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding. He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart and encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.

  32. narcole1919721 says:

    Also japanese scientists who made research for at tin and az zaitun.

  33. narcole1919721 says:

    Even pharaoh the atheist, also asked god to save him when he realized he was about to get drowned. dont forget a non moslem scientist who made research for his body, converted to islam after matching his research with quran.

  34. narcole1919721 says:

    What sins did you make that everything never clear to you, oh nizam. just imagine titanic.

  35. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole1919721and everybody Good Morning, 
    "Theres no real atheist in this world. When an atheist being drowned into dark ocean alone, and nobody could save him, the atheist will call god to help him, and promise to repent if god saves him."
    Some Questions to you
    1. Theres no real atheist in this world Please explain it.
    " When an atheist being drowned into dark ocean alone, and nobody could save him, the atheist will call god to help him, and promise to repent if god saves him."
    2. Where is dark ocean? 
    3. Who will go in dark ocean and what activity made them to get such punishment?
    4. How this dark ocean punishment came in your mind?
    Please clear us 

  36. narcole1919721 says:

    Fus7a arabic is very formal arabic. Arabs these days use informal arabic. Like other formal languages, who are now modified with new terms adopted from other languages and slank words. Even very original formal english is rarely spoken in society these days.

  37. narcole1919721 says:

    Theres no real atheist in this world. When an atheist being drowned into dark ocean alone, and nobody could save him, the atheist will call god to help him, and promise to repent if god saves him.

  38. narcole1919721 says:

    *rolls eyes* not from majlis ta3lim, right.

  39. narcole1919721 says:

    Omg, you didnt know that? I did tell you to read kitab written by sheikh naem as saufi. Tsk tsk.

  40. narcole1919721 says:

    I have a sheikh who can explain everything that happened, happening and will happen in your life from quran. Many people came to him, even prominent infidel scholars from foreign countries visited him, and a prominent budhist monk from china especially visited him to check it out. That time i was high school kid, and i tried it too. Until now, ayat he chose still happening to me. Sadly, one day he predicted great disaster, and described how to help own self if it happened, but many laughed at him cos didnt believe. But the disaster really happened and he moved to other place, and asked us to take his best apprentice to replace him. But in fact his apprentice cant replace him. We still miss him, but he still doing uzlah in other place, separated from society that now being zhalim. So after that, i took majlis ta3lim with other sheikhs, some died cos of natural death, when i moved to other place. But he predicted his death and asked people to come in afternoon, and found him dead in peace without any disease. And other sheikhs i went to also died already. Its sign of qiyamat, 3lm being erased from this earth, by the death of real 3ulama, and dumb sheikhs replace them, mislead people, spread stupidity among human, and then chaos. Like what sinas and others doing now. I emphasize majlis ta3lim now, cos we dont have much time to seek original 3lmu anymore, cos real sheikhs are aging, and going to disappear with their original 3lm. If you waste ur time, u will hardly find them. They are rare now. I only have three great sheikhs alive for now. But one is very old, and unable to go far, and only able to speak arabic, one has joined society and trying to help government, but only able to speak arabic and native language, and one more is the quran expert sheikh whos doing uzlah apart from society, and able to interact with foreign infidels. If you want him to show quran miracles in many aspects to you, come here, and ill try to persuade him to accept you. Cos he only wants to live alone now.

  41. Demsci says:

    Narcole, I know you can claim that the translation was not the same as the original and therefore the woolwich killer was influenced by the wrong Koran!

    But such an opinion would bring you in difference of opinion with approx. millions of Muslims who depend on translations of Quran and who read these translations everyday or very often. And many of whom by their actions and attitudes confirm what Ali Sina says about the Quran-Hadiths-Sira.

  42. Demsci says:

    Nizamuddin Sheikh;
    //"Why while Atheism is not preaching like other religion because Atheism is not a religion it is the way of life that is based on truth, and all truth lovers will come here because they love truth."//

    Thank you for formulating this motivation/ attitude of (a part of) the Atheists/ Darwinists. This is also my motivation/ attitude, as a Darwinist! Bless you!

  43. I-HATE-ISLAM says:

    Chuck,
    The scientific terms just discovered by muhammadans in the quran were too technical for allah to decipher. That was why it could not tell the muhammadan Arab scholars about all those discoveries and theories. Allah and science are not the best of friends.

  44. Demsci says:

    Narcole, the woolwich killer, Michael Adebolajo, almost certainly did not know ancient Arabic, he was born and bread in Britain, and he was 28. AND HE quoted from the translated Quran, it influenced HIM. 

  45. chuck says:

    @ narcole1919721 ,//you could see science facts are part of quran in many places//
    if science was part of Quran then why indeed none of your Muslim Arab scholars could discover the heliocentric solar system or the Big Bang Theory or the General Theory of Relativity (Note: I am referring some of only those theories which have NOW been claimed to be mentioned in Quran)?

  46. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole1919721,
    All community will go in minority one day today you can see peoples are becoming atheist rapidally and it's become the third largest faith of world. Why while Atheism is not preaching like other religion because Atheism is not a religion it is the way of life that is based on truth, and all truth lovers will come here because they love truth. They donot want to live in imaginary life where nothing except hatefulness to other human being because each and every  Educated people of this world know  this universal truth there is not hell fire and not heaven in this universe. but all is living in a fear to this.

  47. Sakat says:

    @Narcole
    I am particularly asking you (not random) will you show me ,in which sura of Quran ,the polio vaccinations,is being discussed.Because polio exists and affecting humans since time immemorial .

  48. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole1919721,
    All things in your quran scientifically but it is why not innovated  all these things  innovated by  European although these all are in your book,  you go and again read you will found how to make computer, and about Programming language in Quran Also. You can found C,C++, oracle, java, .net. VB and other programming code only you have to read you will found. Islamic follower only know to say this was in my book. Take Sura 51:49 All living things are in pairs (Male-female) are you agree for this sura answer us so we can get that Allah is really the creator of this universe. 
    and listen the statment of my Muslim Friend who is from Pakistan, Dear everything that is happening in the world is in mentioned in my Holy Quran, when two birds crash in the sky means the misshapen of 9/11 here two birds denoted aeroplane sky means world trade center after that every where riot/Jihad will be started  mashallah mashallah " so you can own justify that,  this is our mind that made a plot for any things due to fear because we teach about this fear since our childhood, our parents and our society is responsible for such education that have not any value in our real life. Yesterday or might be day a after yesterday any True Muslim guy mentioned we Muslims not think about hell fire or heaven we only want peace but do you think with a lie we can get peace? Answer will come from everyone's hear is No, Never,  because to hide a lie we have to speak 99 lie again and in this period our lie mismatched like the today's  Mualvi, Mullah or Dr. Zakir Naik view are crashed to each ohter. All things and example is before you Zakir Naik is too much popular in India as well as other country but a fatwa issued against him if he is true and other Muslims are also, even if Prophet and Quran everything is true how Zakir's view and Devbandi's View differ while both studied same Quran and they have not studied translated both are the scholar of Islam  and know Arabic very well but it is differ both's view. 

  49. Sakat says:

    That means your Arabic Qur'an is dieing a natural death ha ha ha.

  50. narcole1919721 says:

    Dear Aryan. Hindu is minority. So you cant convince us by quoting random things and say its science.

  51. narcole1919721 says:

    I did tell never quote dajjal translation and then say its quran. 

  52. narcole1919721 says:

    No you misunderstood cos you read new dajjal qurans translation.

  53. narcole1919721 says:

    You interpreted the ayat wrongly again. in arabic, it explained that alquran clearly explained which is bad and which is good. But its the sins that sinners made and still make that mislead them. so if you cant understand original arabic quran  thats cos of ur sins being obstacles for you in understanding.

  54. Abdul says:

    @narcole
    As far science is concerned Arbi is not perfect language. So, Quran can not be from God. According Scientist Sanskrit is perfect and greatest language of world &   mother of all languages including Arbi. 

  55. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole1919721,

    you are really confused about your Quran and you producing a new Quran for defend this cult. For any Issue you try to get the view of Islamic scholar and you will found there answer will be differ. If Quran is real and Allah is real all the things and the thinking about the religion will be same. But here is what happening all scholar have a differ view. While in quran it is clearly mentioned "And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?" 

  56. narcole1919721 says:

    And you could see science facts are part of quran in many places. you should learn quran in many aspects at majlis ta3lim. 

  57. Abdul says:

    @narcole
     //im confused about why you all still confused//
    Dear, they are also not confused. They (Saket, Ali Sina, Nizamuddin and others here) have clear understanding of Quran. Allah himself claimed "Quran book of clear understanding." All people correct while interpreting the Quran because ultimately Allah revelation comes in this support that "Quran is book of clear understanding". Was Allah wrong? No,  you are wrong to say these are not able to understand Quran. You are biggest kufr in the eyes of Allah.

  58. narcole1919721 says:

    What the definition of extrnal elements your trying to point out? its an abstract term to me.

  59. narcole1919721 says:

    No, arabs these days dont speak fus7a arabic anymore. 

  60. narcole1919721 says:

    No im not confused about my quran at all. im confused about why you all still confused but still using dajjal translation and refuse majlis ta3lim, this is why quran is very clear in explaining haq and batil, but people still follow taghut. how come so dhal and fasiq and kufr. How come hidayah cant enter ur hearts, what sins you commited before that cause you become this dhal?

  61. Abdul says:

    @narcole
    Dear do not get confused. Quran is book of clear understanding as per Quran. You can need read the translations of  Arab writers. If you think they failed to understand exact meaning you are putting allegation on Allah words "Quran is book of clear understanding". This kufra in Islam. Eternal hellfire is ready for you.

  62. narcole1919721 says:

    Nizam, quran uses that term not for the meaning of our houses ceiling. And it would sound awkward for ancient people if it used ozon term, for example. Quran in arabic uses universal terms for all people from any period of time. And what do you mean by external elements? Did you get my explanation? 

  63. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,

    Let me first say Good Morning all of you. You give the a link to be clear about sky, and this is like as Here, the Arabic word for the sky is "assamaa binaan." As well as the meaning of "dome" or "ceiling," this also describes a kind of tent-like covering used by the Bedouin.22 What is being emphasised here, through mention of a tent-like structure, is a form of protection against external elements.
    This is also saying about sky Arabic word "assamaa binaan" means  "dome" or "ceiling,"  this also describes a kind of tent-like covering used by the Bedouin.22 What is being emphasised here, through mention of a tent-like structure, is a form of protection against external elements.

    First you clear us the meaning of "External Elements" with  proof from Quran.

  64. Sakat says:

    typo- son of Hamas leader

  65. Sakat says:

    But those Arabs who have read it in Arab since their childhood call it "criminal contents" and not holy (for ex son of Has leader,his Arab is superior to you ,it is his Mother tongue ) and leaving Islam enmass .

  66. narcole1919721 says:

    So? In my arabic quran and in my language, i found these clear already. But i noticed that, if i translate from arabic to my language, then to english then to ur native language, the real meaning might get far from real meanings. And i have limitted english vocabularies for these arabic words, which my language have many words to simply describe. Or is it cos of english whose vocabularies arent enought to translate foreign words in simple term? For example, the word kutu. In some languages means dog, leper, lice, nerd, and many more. And i noticed your english translation toward ayat mentioned before, the choice of words, didnt simply describe the real meaning cos of the limited vocabs in english itself. See why theres only one language in Quran. God is smart, he knows the flaws in other languages. Btw, for further explanation, ill give you a link about assamaa binaan. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_21.h

  67. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear Narcole,
    Clear us the meaning of "assamaa binaan." as per your quran and the Arabic knowledge.

  68. narcole1919721 says:

    Once again, you have no option but arabic quran, and learn from Real Sheikh in majlis ta3lim. if you visit masjidil haram and nabawi, and reading translation books, the sharia polices will take the books and say haram. translation books can deceive. Once again, seek REAL Sheikhs and ATTEND REAL Majlis ta3lim. Concrete real sheikh, thats the rule, the end.

  69. narcole1919721 says:

    Im too lazy with ur modus. ur predictable, sakat. If u find that from web, u may search the pro contra answers thru the web too. if your wife and kid convert to islam, will you follow them too? son of hamas leader was trapped in dhall community, and when in jerusalem non moslems brainwashed him by showing him how dhal the members of hamas. of course as a human, he would directly think those members were dhallin and he felt disgusted. he would certainly leave such people. if i were him, i would leave those dhallin too, but i wont let other mushrikin brainwash me and show as if they are the better ones. id search for the best, of the best. not the better. that guy just didnt find it yet. but i did. MY islam and MY quran, the best of the best.

  70. narcole1919721 says:

    Only if ur a woman. are you?  sinas errors too many. this comment box not enough. Even pointing out one is long enough. sina is hiding now. he dares scholars who are uncapable to explain islam well, but he runsaway from real 3ulama cos afraid they prove him wrong. and what are you doing here? why not sina answering? hes sending his guys instead? why? afraid if a woman like me would hurt his pride?

  71. Sakat says:

    Don't waste your time ,Ali has got no time to respond your little concerns.(come up with English Qur'an or tell your muftis and Mullahs to pass fatwa against translation of Qur'an to any other language the matter will end ,however the question remained that ,why the son of Hamas leader left Islam he read Qur'an in Arabic ,he say,s it is crap)

  72. I-HATE-ISALM says:

    narcole1919721,
    Why don't you point out the errors in Ali Sina's translations so that we can make comparisons with our own versions of the quran. That will enable us to know who is misquoting the quran. I am sure Ali Sina quotes from already existing versions and has not done any translation of his own. If you keep on saying that one has to read the quran in Arabic then you have made it a book for secret society members. A book which claims to contain God's infinite words MUST be readable and understandable by all. It has to be marked by simplicity. Stop this endless reference to ignorant sheikhs who have nothing to offer except lies to protect their means of survival. Nothing productive can come from such senile men. By the way, why are women not among those who are experts in the interpretation of the quran? I have not read you referring to any "sheikha" or something of that nature.

  73. narcole1919721 says:

    I just read ur posts. thank you for at least bringing arabic words here. So that we could point out the real words meaning easier. but, i noticed you just made the same mistakes like sina did. Arabic words u translated are ambiguous, again. you brought alot of ambiguous stuff here. Step by step. To understand quran, we cant translate it just like google translate does. we need to examine the words one by one, cos if we translate one word wrong in the beginning and in the middle, the rest will mean far from real meanings. i suggest you to change ur translation book. Or again, attend majlis ta3lim with real sheikh, that way he could correct ur misinterpretation easily. dont learn kitab alone, its haram. Islam already knew this would mislead. 

  74. narcole1919721 says:

    Mr ali, i just checked my quran. you made up the english translation again.  mr ali, i wanna know something,  whether these errors came from ur mind after reading original arabic quran with real sheikh, or from ur limitted knowledges in fus7a arabic and asbabun nuzul. when checking MY Quran and its different from what you wrote. No need even to use my opinon. which quran are you using? it misleads you. did you interprete it from translators, or use ur own mind? if its from translators books, id like to ask others to erase those books. if its from ur dhal mind, ill correct your mind. i want to know what have been shaping ur mind, the root of these all.

  75. narcole1919721 says:

    Ill check what you wrote again later after rest, insha Allah.

  76. narcole1919721 says:

    What are you talking about? O.O

  77. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    This hadith, representing many others, says that some atheists were brought to Ali, Muhammad’s son-in-law and cousin, and he burned them alive.The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas [Muhammad’s cousin and highly reliable transmitter of traditions] who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Messenger forbad it, saying, ‘Do no punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah Messenger, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’" (Bukhari, Apostates, no. 6922; Evidently, these atheists were once Muslims, but they no longer followed Muhammad’s way. The Islam of Ali and Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s family, would not tolerate freedom of religion, so Ali burned them alive (Ibn Abbas would have beheaded them).See the previous reason no. three for acts that entail leaving Islam according to Islamic law.Finally, we let Muslims explain how apostates should be treated.Maududi  argues that Sura 9:11-12 refers to apostates and that they should be put to death (scroll 1. Sharia commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.Muhammad is foundational to Islam, and he set the genetic code for Islam, waging war. In the ten years that he lived in Medina from his Hijrah (Emigration) from Mecca in AD 622 to his death of a fever in AD 632, he either sent out or went out on seventy-four raids, expeditions, or full-scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to kill anyone who insulted him, to the Tabuk Crusades in late AD 630 against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a rumor that an army was mobilizing to invade Arabia, but the rumor was false, so his 30,000 jihadists returned home, but not before imposing a jizya tax on northern Christians and Jews.Money flowed into the Islamic treasury. So why would Muhammad get a revelation to dry up this money flow?What are some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions?(1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may "marry" the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture.(2) Jihadists may rape these captured female prisoners of war. Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law, did this, even though he was married to Fatima, Muhammad’s daughter. In the hadith, the prophet defended his son-in-law.(3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens to polytheists in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. Whether polytheists or monotheists or fill-in-the-blank, this law is unjust.(4) Old men and monks could be killed.(5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden.(6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non-Muslim.(7) Civilian property may be confiscated.(8) Civilian homes may be destroyed.(9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed.(10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience.(11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced "charity" or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax.The last two options mean that money flows into the Islamic treasury, so why would Muhammad receive a revelation to dry up this money flow?Thus, jihad is aggressive, coercive, and excessive, and Allah never revealed to Muhammad to stop these practices.You decide such kinds of instruction will not come from God, such instruction only one can give and that is Satan.

  78. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    10.Kufr ul-Istibdal: Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allah's Laws. This could take the form of (a) rejection of Allah's Law (shari'ah) without denying it, (b) denial of Allah's law and therefore rejecting it, or (c) substituting Allah's laws with man-made laws. ===> Sharia allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.Sharia allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.Sharia commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.Sharia orders death for Muslim and possible death for non-Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.In 1989, Iran’s Supreme Leader issued a fatwa (legal decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, a novelist, who wrote Satanic Verses, which includes questions about the angel Gabriel’s role in inspiring the Quran. Now the extremists in the highest levels in Iran have recently renewed the fatwa.In 2005, The Muslim Council of Victoria, Australia, brought a lawsuit against two pastors for holding a conference and posting articles critiquing Islam. Three Muslims attended the conference and felt offended. The two pastors have been convicted based on Australia’s vilification law. While on trial, one of them wanted to read from the Quran on domestic violence but the lawyer representing the Council would not allow it. The pastors are appealing their conviction.In 2005, British Muslims have been campaigning to pass a religious hate speech law in England’s parliament. They have succeeded. Their ability to propagandize has not been curtailed. Opponents of the law say that it stifles free speech that may criticize Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam.Here are the classical legal rulings.First, the Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597-98, o8.7):(1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about "Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat"; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or "anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it"; (4) holding that "any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent"; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended "the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world."It is no wonder that critical investigation of the truth claims of Islam can never prevail in Islamic lands when the sword of Muhammad hangs over the scholars’ head.The non-Muslims living under Islamic rule are not allowed to do the following (p. 609, o11.10(1)-(5)):(1) Commit adultery with a Muslim woman or marry her; (2) conceal spies of hostile forces; (3) lead a Muslim away from Islam; (4) mention something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet . . . or Islam.According to the discretion of the caliph or his representative, the punishments imposed on non-Muslims for violating these rules are as follows: (1) death, (2) enslavement, (3) release without paying anything, and (4) ransoming in exchange for money. These punishments also execute free speech—even repulsive speech—and freedom of religion or conscience.Ultimately, censorship testifies to a lack of confidence in one’s position and message. If the message of Islam were truly superior, one could trust in the power of truth. As it stands, sharia with its prescribed punishments for questioning Muhammad, the Quran, and sharia itself testifies to their weakness since sharia threatens those who dare to differ.How confident was Muhammad (and today’s Muslims) in his message that he had to rely on violence and force to protect his message, besides reason and persuasive argumentation?For the supporting article that analyzes the Quran and the hadith, both of which orders death to critics, Sharia orders apostates to be killed.In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi’ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.This analysis tracks the application of apostasy laws around the world, citing many examples.Apostates are those who leave Islam, like Salman Rushdie (see the linked article in no. three, above), whether they become atheists or convert to another religion. They are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings. 

  79. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    8.Kufr ul-Istihzaha: Disbelief due to mockery and derision. ====> 2:15 Allahu yastahzi-o bihim wayamudduhum fee tughyanihim yaAAmahoona
    Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones. He is also making mockery and derision.9.Kufr ul-I'radh: Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth====> You all have read above mentioned universal truth of Allah so you can decide what truth is and what you have to avoid.

  80. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    5.Kufr ul-Nifaq: Disbelief out of hypocrisy.This applies to someone who pretends to be a believer but conceals his disbelief. Such a person is called a munafiq or hypocrite===> Allah & All Mullah is making this kufr, Today Mullah become synonyms of hypocrisy. Today they are selling amulet/ periapt this is also a part of hypocrisy. 6.Kufr ul-Istihal: Disbelief out of trying to make haram into halal. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (haram) like alcohol or adultery. Only Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, has the prerogative to make things halal and haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.====>Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun
    O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Read this and it will be clear to all of you Mohammad also made Haram into Halal. He is also a kafir.7.Kufr ul-Kurh: Disbelief out of detesting any of Allah's Commands===>64:17 In tuqridoo Allaha qardan hasanan yudaAAifhu lakum wayaghfir lakum waAllahu shakoorun haleemun
    If ye loan to Allah, a beautiful loan, He will double it to your (credit), and He will grant you Forgiveness: for Allah is most Ready to appreciate (service), Most Forbearing, Allah Command2:276 Yamhaqu Allahu alrriba wayurbee alssadaqati waAllahu la yuhibbu kulla kaffarin atheemin
    Allah will deprive usury of all blessing, but will give increase for deeds of charity: For He loveth not creatures ungrateful and wicked. 2:278 Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo ittaqoo Allaha watharoo ma baqiya mina alrriba in kuntum mu/mineena
    O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and give up what remains of your demand for usury, if ye are indeed believers. 2:279 Fa-in lam tafAAaloo fa/thanoo biharbin mina Allahi warasoolihi wa-in tubtum falakum ruoosu amwalikum la tathlimoona wala tuthlamoona
    If ye do it not, Take notice of war from Allah and His Messenger: But if ye turn back, ye shall have your capital sums: Deal not unjustly, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly.  Now you all decide one time Allah demand loan to people like he bankrupt and again he warn to them if you will ask about your loan Take notice of war from Allah and His Messenger.  

  81. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    "[al-Kahf 18:106] That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a jest of Our revelations and Our messengers."Dear All Readers first I clear all of you about kufr as per Islam1.Kufr ul-'Inad: Disbelief out of stubborness. This applies to someone who knows the truth and admits to knowing the truth and admits to knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. ====>Quran also teach to go against this, 3:28 La yattakhithi almu/minoona alkafireena awliyaa min dooni almu/mineena waman yafAAal thalika falaysa mina Allahi fee shay-in illa an tattaqoo minhum tuqatan wayuhaththirukumu Allahu nafsahu wa-ila Allahi almaseeru
    Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Now you all Muslims making kufr so how it is possible that you will be heaven and joy you will also be in hell fire as per your Quran and Allah Judgment. How Silly he one side he said to you tell a lie and other side he is ready to punished you. It seems it is not the work of Allah it is Satan.2.Kufr ul-Inkar: Disbelief out of denial. This applies to someone who denies with both heart and tongue====> 2:22 Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda firashan waalssamaa binaan waanzala mina alssama-i maan faakhraja bihi mina alththamarati rizqan lakum fala tajAAaloo lillahi andadan waantum taAAlamoona
    Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth). 
    Hatta itha balagha maghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hami-atin wawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya tha alqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba wa-imma an tattakhitha feehim husnan
    Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." Now you all decide what human do it is Allah who always teach wrong and make the law to go in heaven is accept this falseness. Dear Allah your heaven is good for yourself you live there with lie we have not requirement where we make "yes" in your wrong teaching and you provide us heaven it will be also false like your teaching where will be flies, mosquitoes, bees, snake and other poisonous items. 13:27 Wayaqoolu allatheena kafaroo lawla onzila AAalayhi ayatun min rabbihi qul inna Allaha yudillu man yashao wayahdee ilayhi man anaba
    The Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say: "Truly Allah leaveth, to stray, whom He will; But He guideth to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence, now tell us what is the difference between Allah and Satan? Both are doing same thing.3.Kufr ul-Kibr: Disbelief out of arrogance and pride. The disbelief by the devils (e.g. Iblis) is an example of this type of kufr.====> Allah has also arrogance and Quran justify it because he always say about himself, I've heaven and if you will follow me I'll give you a Place in heaven and not follow then My gang will throw you hell fire, sometimes he send thunder, sometime frog, blood, rainfall, he used his power to  kill human  what these are not enough to prove, Allah is arrogance, so first he will get the position in hell fire because rule is for everyone and Muhmmad will also be in hell fire due to arrogance, because he get help from Allah and destroy Banu Nadir, Banu Quraiyza and so many place4.Kufr ul-Juhud: Disbelief out of rejection. This applies to someone who aknowledges the truth in his heart, but rejects it with his tongue. This types of kufr is applicable to those who calls themselves Muslims but who reject any necessary and accepted norms of Islam such as salat and zakat. ===> when u make a mistake like……….
    u cant remember how many rakats uve done u think u prayed 3 when u were meant to pray 4, but u think u did ur just not sure.
    u miss out a surah after fatiha by mistake
    u pray subhana rabiyul azeem when in sijda or vice versa by mistake
    u pray ah tahiyatu after three rakahs when ur meant to pray four but u realise n get up strate away n finish as normal
    n just little things like this.
    u forget to do allahuakbar int he 3rd rakah of witr n go down strate after u prayed ur surah by mistake
    now what i wanna know is do u have to start all over again when u make these mistakes.
    and also whats this sijda safwa thing. ive been told that wen u make a mistake u can do sijdah sufwa n that will suffice n u dnt hav to repeat ur prayer. This is the common question of Muslims, 2:31 he is too merciful on Adam WaAAallama adama al-asmaa kullaha thumma AAaradahum AAala almala-ikati faqala anbi-oonee bi-asma-i haola-i in kuntum sadiqeenaAnd He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right." Allah is scoundrel or he might be making mockery again to his follower, might he take oath to send believers in hell fire. 

  82. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    Dear All,

    Above cited Sura and Quran everything is wrong and not the divine scripture, this is Mohammad who express his feelings. Now see if this is divine scripture then not any error will be in this book.
    "The Quran says that at the Day of Judgment, the Heaven will be split asunder (Q.84:1) and it will heave with (awful) heaving (Q.52:9), the Sun is overthrown (Q.81:1), the Earth is shaken with her (final) earthquake (Q. 99:1), the moon is eclipsed (Q.75:8) and Angel Israfil "
    We take Sura 84:1 Itha alssamao inshaqqatWhen the sky is rent asunder,  is it wood who asunder the sky or cloth? As per the defination of Allah sky is assamaa binaan" the Arabic word for the sky is "assamaa binaan." As well as the meaning of "dome" or "ceiling," Oh! now look what kind of his engineering he(Allah) made sky as ceiling for us but it not prevent rain water to come  our bed. Would all of you like to built a home there water seepage is  continue from starting to ending but you don't try to prevent the seepage of water. I think even if Momo, Narcole, shabeer, and other Muslim guys will not make such home while they all are following his Allah.  

  83. mohit vats says:

    abdullah ihsan: thaty verse was not 15:9 but sura 35:9 which justifies RESURRECTION DAY with the analogy of: : rains coming down over dead lands 1
    but as i said earlier; : rains coming down over dead land , is a PERIODIC, CYCLIC PROCESS which happens again and again BUT RESURRECTION DAY is a ONE TIME HAPPENING !
    hence, equating resurrection-day with " rains-over-dead-land " is a WRONG ANALOGY !
    infact , " rains-over-dead-land " is the ANALOGY for " continuous cycles of birth-and-death" philosophy of HINDUISM

  84. mohit vats says:

    infact , this analogy is justfying REINCARNATION /CONTINUOUS CYCLE OF BIRTH AND DEATH ( of HINDUISM)

  85. mohit vats says:

    abdullah ihsan : in quran sura 15 verse 9 , alah is justifying " arrival of resurrection day" by giving the example of: RAINS coming down over dead land !!
    but the ERROPR in this ANALOGY is that : rains falling upon dead land gain and again in a periodic, cyclic manner !!
    'but the RESURRECTION-DAY will hapen only for first and the last time
    RESURRECTION -DAY will not happen again and again , in a cyclic manner

    hence this analogy for justifying " arrival of resurrection day" is totally WRONG

  86. mohit vats says:

    abdullah ihsan ; 2 of allahs name/functions are AL GAFFAR , AL GAFFUR ( THE FORGIVER) but whom will ALLAH N FORGIVE ? because , no paradise human will do any bad deed which will demand forgiveness from allah and also , allah will never ever forgive the hell humans

  87. mohit vats says:

    Abdullah Ihsan: you quoted sura 112 verse 2 that allah is ETERNAL !!
    if allah is eternal then his functions must be eternal
    can you explain ; how will allah perform his functions , after JUDGEMENT DAY , when all the good humans will be in paradise and all the bad humans will be in hell !
    one of allahs name/function is AL HAQAM ( judge)
    whom will allah judge ?
    another name is AL AFUWW ( PARDONER)
    whom will allah pardon ?
    because no human of paradise will do any bad deed which will demand PARDON and allah will neither pardon any hell-human
    one of alahs name/function is AL WALIYY, ( THE PROTECTOR )
    But there will be no SATAN to misguide paradise-humans and also, the paradise humans will not harm each other , so who will allah PROTECT ?
    one of allahs name/function is AL MUMIT ( CAUSER OF DEATH) but the paradise humans and hell humans will never die then whom will allah bring DEATH ?
    almost all of the 99 names/functions of allah WILL BECOME useless AFTER judgment day !!

  88. Ody says:

    Hi all … sorry my english is bad (using translate). If any mistake please give me correction.

    The nature of God is omniscient, most holy, all-loving, wants to be loved, merciful, jealous, and the only one.
    Omniscient = can do anything even Reincarnation. God can reincarnate to be what God want. But God will never want to be a stone/dog/tree (for what?? it's useless) except become a human. Why? because human is different. We are carved by his own hand (His working NOT His words) and give us a life from His breath. Therefore we are in his heart, very special. Others (stone/animal/etc) are created by His words.

    > Means same human-equal to God? No. If God made human perfectly, then there are a lot of God (as many as summed human).
    > Why is he reincarnated into a human? because he loves us.
    > Why he loves us? because we are similar (not perfect) to God. Our characteristic, everyone is unique; no one is the same (same as God is only one), our words are powerful, have authority, master of earth but not mastering other human (as God master of us), want to loving someone, want to be loved, holy (before Adam and Eve to be sinners), and all other His nature.
    Why human was created? because God want to be loved. Who would be loved if no one will be loved, angels maybe? No. Angels are workers,do what He want to do. But He want to build a friendship/interact with us, talking with us as soulmate or like a lover. Can we imagine how feel in the world no one else but me? God also felt that, because we are from His breath, breath of life. God also knew that Adam must have felt alone, then created Eve from Adam is also same as Adam carved from part of God. Eve was made from part of Adam (Adam equal to Eve because Adam is not perfect).
    We must reverse to the begining. From Adam and Eve and THE PURPOSE OF CREATION.
    Thank you for the artickle…

  89. Soondiss says:

    This should be called "Everything I think I know about Islam"

    So does your assumptions and mixed understanding come from a bitter deep place or do you just don't like how those A-RABS smell?…..

    This is a load of horse shit!

    Islam is about equality, unity and peace! You're not even taking the Quran in the right context. If you are a Muslim or not we have no right to judge who is going to heaven or hell. Even if you are a Muslim and you were bad doesn't mean that you will ever go to Heaven. A believer who does wrong is worse than a non believer who doesn't know what they are doing. There will be 20 different tribes that are not Muslims that will go to heaven.

    Guess you didn't hear about that…

    And there will be more Muslims going to hell that to heaven. And no not because your a Muslim means your getting out of there. Following Islam is what gets you in Heaven. But just because your a non Muslim doesn't mean your going to hell.

    But cruelty and hate might help you go to a hotter place. If there isn't a heaven or hell or maybe just a damp cave there is still Karma. And kindness will only set us free. Not cruelty lies and a whole lot of bull shit.

    What has Islam done to you. If you are talking about Terrorists than thats a load of bull! Because those white guys who blow up buildings and shoot up schools are all the same. As well as those guys in suits who control what war to start and don't forget the priests who rape little boys. The facts are there but the only thing everyone wants to hate on are the people they don't understand. Ignorance has always been dangerous thing.

    It's like the 50s again where the African Americans aren't allowed to drink out of the white man water fountain. PREJUDICE FOR ALL! YAY!

  90. Lionfireneze says:

    Ali sinna is just misguided who has experienced no character galvanisation or rational liberty through emotional intellect

  91. Ariya says:

    The Muslim burial grounds in certain countries are excavated once in five years, so others could be buried by the mosque authorities and all the bones of those who were there are put in one hole. Where is this allah find all these people?

  92. C.Sugumar says:

    Ekapathini viratham mean Living devoted to One wife. Monogamy

  93. Rembrandt says:

    Yeah. Nice Questions. Their graves should be widened as they are the models for Islamic men and women.

  94. C.Sugumar says:

    Dear brother Alisina, I have been requesting you to make available complete works of Swami Vivekananda on line in your web.It is available on line in http://www.belurmath.com. Swamiji never advocated religious conversion. A Hindu should become a better Hindu a christian better christian a muslim better muslim, Every religion has produced men and women of most exalted character. Such teachings are
    a surprise to not only Muslims but also christians.Christian churches are satanic in some respect.they can get enlightenment in the Works of Swami vivekananda.

  95. Sanada_10 says:

    She's desperate to give her crown. Miss Irrelevant 2011. Buraq has female head so it can be connected too, like "riding" female "beast". Turn on the rodeo and do the horse style.

  96. John K says:

    I have a good reason for my irrelevant post. Since she ignores our presentation on serious factual issues with Islam, I said what I did to provoke a response, or to provoke some thinking in her microcephalic brain.

    Of course, if I hadn't have thought Buraq was a typo for burqa, I wouldn't have had an open door for a joke on pornography. Buraq is not sufficiently a part of my vocabulary of Islam to recognize it out of context.

    Your joke works either way though!

  97. Arya Anand says:

    There is no objection from Abdullah ihsan for referred as a female. So, that person must be a female.

  98. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie is the name given by me, judging from her behavior. Pay attention, she also used "female name calling" to her opponents (with no reason of course). Of course, in reality no one knows her gender, only her attitude. Hey, don't judge book by its "cover", right?

  99. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah is a name given to Muslim man. Has this lady taken a Muslim man's name for her pseudonym?

  100. Sanada_10 says:

    Not sure where do you get those conclusions about me and John at the same time. Look carefully, is there any of my post that is irrelevant to the person I replied. Remember, it's about me.

    1. I talked about porn in Islam
    2. John told me that you would never answer coz you were far away in galaxy (relevant)
    3. I answered with Buraq, your favorite space animal (relevant)
    4. John answered it with little mistake due to word similarity (Buraq = Burqa). Although, he made mistake he did it partially coz he talked about porn in the end (the first words from me)

    So, only no. 4 is little bit irrelevant and made by John. This cannot be compared to you, the queen of irrelevant post. Sorry, your throne is still intact.

    As for me, I'm clean again, auntie.

  101. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Sanada

    ha ha ha

    John and you = GAK NYAMBUNG……

  102. John K says:

    I think she should upload a picture of herself so we can see that laser burqa.

    It would also give us a chance to evaluate it to see whether it is sufficiently modest or whether she looks like a porn star. B)

  103. Sanada_10 says:

    Using Buraq maybe? You know, the "laser" one. xDxDxD

  104. John K says:

    You should know she will be in a galaxy far, far away from tough questions. B)

  105. Sanada_10 says:

    Islamic formula of porn:

    1. Islamic heaven/paradise/jannah
    2. Slavery
    3. Polygamy
    4. Weak law on rape and adultery
    5. Captive taken from Islamic expansion

    Auntie, where are you? xD

  106. John K says:

    You didn't read the extensive footnote references in the article. Of course the article is true.

    And of course all the sociological factors causing Muslim homosexuality and misogyny are real.

    This is elaborated on in the videos as well. You didn't watch them, did you?

  107. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, I know you are seeking for black and white in other ideology but this is where you are wrong. Black and white is human invention. It has nothing to do with god. If you insist on keeping this "chess board" system then I can easily ask you on "why" god has that? So far, no one can answer this. Maybe you can? :p

  108. Sanada_10 says:

    Still waiting your response, auntie ……… By far, you are the best coward here, running away from your own standard ……. <3

  109. Sanada_10 says:

    According to Christian, Khrisna is myth. According to Hindu, Jesus is possible god's incarnation. According speculative or should I say, conspiracy theory (like the one muslim love), both of it can be god's incarnation. According to neutral view, they were not.

    Pick your choice coz I see no clear indication of your stand. 😉

  110. Sanada_10 says:

    Have you checked my rebuttal on Q 23:14? Is this the best you can answer to the word "creator"?

    Porn is answered. Are you looking for truth or just personal opinion?

    Is it neither right nor wrong, it's relative.

  111. Sanada_10 says:

    No matter, if you are confined in religious box you will get your narrowed view.

    As a questioner of your religion I too have questions that you keep avoiding. xD

  112. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, you're always making wrong turn. 😀

    You never give anything right. B)

  113. Sanada_10 says:

    This is answered. It is relativity and there is no fixed rule on that. What do you say about this? :p

    It's funny for you to insist on others to submit their own "opinion" while you yourself refuses to answer this.

  114. Sanada_10 says:

    She's just wrong on almost anything but to her belief, she will admit nothing.

  115. Sanada_10 says:

    That's it? Just a no? All of these are answered and I'm still waiting your answer on that.

  116. Sanada_10 says:

    Come one, auntie. The answer is already there. What do you say about that? 😀

  117. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John

    Ha ha ha. You gave me that link for what? a joke?

    Islam never promotes homosexuality. It clearly prohibits it.

    If the Talibans do that, then definitely they are wrong.

    But, listen John…. if the story is made up, then the writer must be a real evil. 😉

    Now….

    your thoughts about Khrisna are not important or you simply don't think he is God's incarnation? 😉

    or perhaps you have your own words to describe him? FYI, some Hindus include Jesus as one of God's incarnations. What do you say about it?

  118. John K says:

    No, I am referring to the fatwa that says that Thursday night is the time that it is acceptable for Muslim men to engage in homosexual behavior. Read about it here:

    Boys of the Taliban
    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?…

    You can get into Islam's private depravity more here in a series of three videos, but I'm warning you, it isn't pretty:

    Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 1 of 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfbYkXtHuA

    Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 2 of 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZPIbz-n_c

    Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 3 of 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKAuJewbXg

    Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 4 of 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqNPJVWzpw

  119. John K says:

    "So I was wrong . OK I admit that I have made a wrong assumption about you."

    Oh my! I can't believe you admitted you were wrong about something!

    Don't make it too much of a habit though. It might lead to leaving Islam and being killed by your Imam or family.

    "But….. who do you think Lord Khrisna is?"

    My thoughts about Lord Krishna are not important.

  120. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K cont….

    Are you referring to a hadith that suggests man to come to his wife on thursday nights?

    Of course. But that has to be done privately. I don't know why you came up with this as a counter question to mine asking Mr. Anand about getting naked in public.

    All I need is an opinion from Mr Anand using his logic to decide whether it is right or wrong to get naked in a hotel lobby.

    Miss Prithvi said it was not OK (=golden rule says not OK?)

    Now,

    What about you, Mr, Anand? What do you say?

  121. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    So I was wrong . OK I admit that I have made a wrong assumption about you. 😉

    But…..

    who do you think Lord Khrisna is?

  122. John K says:

    Logically getting naked in a hotel lobby and watching pornography are only safe on Thursday nights when Allah is busy. What do you do on Thursday nights?

  123. John K says:

    Why don't you read what you said to me if your deficiency in intelligence does not enable you to remember what you said? Oh, I'm sorry. Your deficiency in intelligence does not enable you to think of such an efficiency.

    You wrote:

    "Hi John, it seems that you have agreed that Khrisna is Jesus' father."

    So, where did you get the idea that I agreed to anything like that? Are you a mind reader? Or are you just putting words in my mouth for me?

  124. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    You asked me where I got the idea. The idea of what? that asking Mr Anand about getting naked in a hotel lobby or watching porn movie?

    Mr. Anand said:

    "Unlike Muslims, we are not dependent on any narration from Hadiths or Quran to decide what is right or wrong but instead WE USE LOGIC and REASON to make such a decision because as humans logic is the only tool we have for determining right and wrong."

    So I asked him to use his logic and reason to decide whether it is right or wrong to do either of the two.

    @ Mr Anand.

    What do you say? 😉

  125. John K says:

    It's only right if you are in it. Or if I watch on Thursday night while Allah is busy.

    What do you do on Thursday nights?

  126. John K says:

    Where did you get that idea? Do you have a cognitive disorder too?

  127. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Have you checked the verbs I quoted as answers to your post questioning the word creators?

    So, as you have promised to come to other issues in your post…

    what will you say (using your golden rule) about watching a porn movie?

    Is it right or wrong?

  128. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Hi John,

    it seems that you have agreed that Khrisna is Jesus' father.

    Or… perhaps I'm wrong.

    So who do you think Lord Khrisna is?

  129. John K says:

    "what exactly is there in the Quran which can be termed as guidance."

    Exactly. This is another place where once again the Quran's contents belie its claims.

    Bill Warner at the Center for the Study of Political Islam did a statistical analysis of the Quran and found a pattern that he calls the Koranic Argument which is a pattern of violent threats against those who did not believe Muhammad. The pattern goes as follows:

    – A description of the threat or violence

    – Who is threatened

    – What they did to deserve the violence

    – How they are wrong

    – Words from Allah to support his messenger, Mohammad

    According to Bill, the Koranic Argument content of the Mecca Koran is about 63 to 70%, and 12% in the Medinan Koran because in Medina, actual violence replaced the threat of violence.

    So much for the Quran as a book of guidance or eternal truth. All it is is a book about Muhammed bullying non-Muslims to convert or else.

    In Mecca he said obey me or burn in hell. In Medina he said obey me or die.

    Such guidance!

  130. John K says:

    "Why was this book sent piecemeal and not as a complete compilation?"

    And even more so, if it is an eternal book for all mankind, why does it deal so much with the details and issues of individual people in a narrow localized area?

    "(Please return if the seal is broken or tampered with)"

    By the way, that is the manner the Book of Mormon was delivered! ^_^

  131. John K says:

    "The way he presents his absurd logics and has run out of answers on so many occasions, it is good for humanity and especially the muslims in the long run"

    Depends on the reader. Muslim supremacists would think auntie is doing a good job.

  132. John K says:

    "bring you all down to his level and beat you all with his experience"

    Ha! That' quote has come to my mind too! [enough for me to source it and ALMOST use it!]

  133. John K says:

    I agree. I haven't followed her posts as long as you have, so I can't speak to her degree of awareness of Muhammad's sickness and criminality, but her insincerity and game playing are obvious. I'm not sure what she thinks she is accomplishing. Is she so naive as to think her words can actually influence someone? Similarly, I'm not sure that continuing to entertain her comments is worthwhile. I've about come to the same conclusion with Grace as well. Both seemingly hopeless, yet I've been taught to never give up on people. We will see.

  134. Prithvi says:

    If compiling a book for the guidance of mankind is what makes you or anyone a God or his messenger then “A MONK WHO SOLD HIS FERRARI” is far greater book of guidance and there are hundreds others.

    I ask you all, there are 2 men.

    One who does good to others, takes care of his family, is nice to children, respect elders, respects women, is a role model for a married life, helps others, rejects violence, respect other’s belief systems and in a nut shell respects all.

    Second, a man who is jealous of others, lusts for women, money, sleeps with a 9 year old child, maintains 9 wives and 2 mistresses, attacks traders and loots them, kill innocents, captures women and children and distributes them amongst his soldiers for scavenging, sleeps with a women after killing her father and husband the same day, lusts for his daughter in law and then eventually marries her.

    Now who amongst the 2 of the men above has a better position and right to be called as God’s incarnation, God’s son or even a messenger?

    REMEMBER, THE CHOICE IS ALWAYS OURS AND THERE IS ALWAYS A CHOICE.

  135. Prithvi says:

    Why was the almighty, the creator of the universe, forced to rely on human beings writing abilities to pen down the piecemeal sent quran into some sort of book?

    It is rather bizarre that why the almighty would need a 1600 page book to guide mankind and what exactly is there in the Quran which can be termed as guidance.

    If the quran was a compilation from a strictly guidance point of view then what was the need of compiling the hadith later on (which a lot of muslims are not rejecting because it is showing the true colours of the founder and his teachings).
    Does that mean that the quran was incomplete in its guidance to humans?

    Then, if the quran was not complete then who is this God which compiles an incomplete book for such an important task, guidance of mankind. If the God missed out like the way he missed out terribly on the how many times he wanted his followers to pray and was corrected by Moses then is it so hard to understand that HE IS NOT GOD (funny, a human, Moses correcting God on the number of times we humans should pray to God).

    Cont.

  136. Prithvi says:

    Look at the latest blunder and absurdity of his mind. He says “Islam never sees Jesus or any human being as God”.

    So he is ready to deny the intellect and divineness of a man who once existed and was a role model for people to follow but is ready to accept the words of thug, bandit, rapist that there is a book and the words in that book are the words of God.

    Why was this book sent piecemeal and not as a complete compilation?

    When Gabriel appeared in person in front of Muhammad, was it tough for him to hand over the complete quran for the guidance of mankind with a tagline? (Please return if the seal is broken or tampered with)

    Why is it that when such was the proximity between Gabriel and Muhammad, the almighty God had to rely on Kaffirs and especially the people who do not follow him and believe on his messenger to discover almost all the things the humans are credited for today and ironically even enjoyed and used by muslims?

    Cont.

  137. Prithvi says:

    How – Muslims go through the site and they read the debate also.
    The way he presents his absurd logics and has run out of answers on so many occasions, it is good for humanity and especially the muslims in the long run and sooner or later they would start realising the truth and I hope that is one situation everyone on this planet should be happy about. Muslims realizing the truth about Islam and then leaving it.

    So from the point of humanity this guy Abdullah Ihsaan is doing a great job with his absurdities.

    Cont.

  138. Arya Anand says:

    John K,
    Abdullah ihsan is behaving like a child by irrelevantly asking us about being naked in a hotel lobby, watching pornography,etc only to change topic at hand escape giving reply when we corner her with our proofs from most authentic Islamic scriptures. As you said, she is not a genuine and honest seeker of truth. She thinks she is smart and can defend Islam and her criminal prophet with every hook and crook. She knows all evils of Islam and despicable life of Muhammad and his crimes against humanity but still defends them. Her soul is so demonic like that of Muhammad that it cannot be recovered.

  139. Prithvi says:

    See friends, I have told you all so many times, do not argue with this idiot by the name Abdullah Ihsaan.
    You cannot compete with him; he will bring you all down to his level and beat you all with his experience.

    He is not serious about the discussions and is not here with an open mind or an open heart.

    However, in the process he is doing his false religion a good service also.

    Cont.

  140. John K says:

    This website already has enough pornography with the depiction of the Arabic script for "Allah". Otherwise we would ask you to post a picture of your nakedness to spice things up.

  141. John K says:

    Your support is appreciated in a heartfelt manner, Arya.

  142. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Well said?

    Where is your answer about nakedness? 🙂

    Have you checked the verbs? 😐

  143. Arya Anand says:

    Well said, John K.

  144. John K says:

    No, it's not a question. You are not a sincere seeker of truth. You are evading proofs that trap you and trying to stir up division among your opponents.

    We are really not interested in your insincere questions. We are interested in you waking up and leaving Islam.

  145. John K says:

    Thanks for the thought, Prithvi.

  146. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K and Prithvi

    Really John?

    Khrisna was born before Jesus was. So,

    Do you really believe that Khrisna was God's incarnation?

    or should I ask you:

    Do you think that Khrisna is Jesus's father?

    I don't meant to insult…. it's a question from a non-believer of both your religions. 😉

  147. Sanada_10 says:

    A discussion from "the best of what" to "god's incarnation".

    Give the auntie a gold medal in high jumping. xD

  148. Prithvi says:

    Both Jesus and Krishna :*

  149. Prithvi says:

    Both :p

  150. Sanada_10 says:

    Based on weak, if not nothing, reason.B)

  151. John K says:

    Note how she also diverts by trying to stir up a Hindu/Christian fight.

  152. John K says:

    Who do you think you are to define my refusal of Islam? Look how big this web site is. There are hundreds if not thousands of proofs against Islam, not the least of which is Muhammad's personal criminal and sociopathic behavior. If Muhammad and Islam were good, we would just think how cute and foolish you people are. But it's not like that. Your religion is evil and you're not caring about the danger to your soul.

    $50,000 if you can disprove these attributes of Muhammad:

    a narcissist a misogynist, a rapist
    a pedophile a lecher a torturer
    a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
    a terrorist a madman a looter
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

  153. Sanada_10 says:

    Still waiting the task you owe in this page, auntie. Don't have bravery, eh?

  154. Sanada_10 says:

    Not quite. The very basic of refusal is that Islam is using the outdated concept and standard of 7th century Arabia, making it barbaric and evil at the same time plus Islam wants to erase all religions and make the others as their subjects. No sane person would like that, eh?

    The other reason is very simple. Islam is proven to be false. Why should any sane person follow something false?

    Now, answer my questions and rebuttal in this page. I'd like to see that too on how you wiggle out these contradiction and inconsistency.

    Why do you love to assume everything eh? This is why you made many mistakes till this day.

  155. Sanada_10 says:

    Irrelevant answer, auntie. That topic is outdated since you run from my questions.

  156. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    Why irrelevant?

    The very basic reason for your refusal against Islam is that Islam never sees Jesus ('Alaihi Salaam) or any human being as God (or God's son, or God's incarnation).

    Now, go talk to Prithvi first and discuss who the real God's incarnation is. 😉

    I'd like to see that.

  157. John K says:

    Irrelevant. The important thing is for you to stop shilling for a false god, a criminal prophet, and a sociopathic religion. Repent before it's too late. Your soul is at stake. No true God would accept the evil you are defending. Promoters of Islam will surely be damned to hell.

  158. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K and Prithvi

    So which one do you guys think should be perceived as God's incarnation?

    Jesus or Lord Khrisna? 🙂

  159. John K says:

    "they should simply accept that they have been tricked and fooled and leave something which only teaches them to hate others"

    I've often wondered this myself. It seems pride and fear of admitting error is a big stumbling block.

    If they would realize how much this mistake is costing them, they might take the exit ramp.

  160. Prithvi says:

    🙂 I remember asking this to Ali Sina long back and he approved my thought and appreciated me for my rational thinking.
    It was after going through the statement for sometime ALLAH-UH-AKBAR which literally means ALLAH IS THE GREATEST that this thought first of all came to me that this is an admission or acknowledgement in a way that there are more Gods than Allah, quiet naturally originating from the midst of 360 Gods of the Kaabah Temple.

    I am also happy to see that most of the muslims have now started saying Allah is Great and not Allah is Greatest.

    It makes me smile but I also feel bad for them. I think rather than covering their faces, they should simply accept that they have been tricked and fooled and leave something which only teaches them to hate others.

    I, a simple human caught them napping. I wonder when the time would come when the muslims would wake up to this bitter but funny reality.

  161. Sanada_10 says:

    Thanks for the tip.

  162. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand cont

    Now….. please present your answers to my questions about getting naked and watching porn movies which you would address using your so-called golden rule?

    What will you say? 🙂

  163. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand cont

    "Praise be to Allah, who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, … "

    Alhamdulillahi faathiris samaawaati wal ardh……

    Al-Fatir 35:1

    Go check the verbs for your self, do not rely your arguments on only Quran's translation, Sir. 🙂

  164. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    QS 2 : 117:

    "The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is."

    badii 'ussamaawati wal ardh……………..

    The word used here is bada'a.

    Before becoming over confident with your readings of the Quran (only the translation), you should learn the different uses of the Arabic verbs that mean or have similar meanings with to create.

    About khaliqeen.

    The literal meaning of ‘khalq’ is to measure something, or to streamline something and give it the right balance. Going by these meanings, creation would mean to arrange the elements in a balanced way, and to create a thing according to a particular pattern.

    And the context of the verse you quote is to make man pay closer attention to how they are created from different things, which involves a process recently experimented on cattle by man through cloning.

    Among some other verbs, there is also a word 'Fatara' which implies, like bada’a, the creating of a thing out of nothing.

    So Mr. Anand,

    The verse you quote about Allah being the best of creators truly doesn't say that there is other god than Allah. 🙂

  165. Abdullah ihsan says:

    No, Miss Prithvi.

    Although I say the story of Mahabarata was and is famous, today's Indonesian learned Muslims believe that there had been too many fables and exaggerations interjected into it.

    Don't be proud. Of course now I no longer enjoy reading those stories in Mahabarata once I started re-learning my religion. 🙂

  166. Prithvi says:

    I leave you with how he started.

    यदा यदा ही धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत, अभ्युथानम् अधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् |
    परित्राणाय साधुनाम विनाशाय च: दुष्कृताम, धर्मं संस्थापनार्थाय सम्भावामी युगे युगे ||

    Try and understand yourself, it is in Sanskrit, the oldest recognized language of the world and as per the latest research by Microsoft – the best language for software programming. 😀

  167. Prithvi says:

    Yes, it was Lord Krishna who motivated Arjun to fight when he refused to fight after seeing his own people standing on the other side of the line, cousins, and uncles.

    Lord Krishna imparted to King Arjuna the doctrine of Bhagavad Gita. Lord Krishna simply stated to King Arjuna that the fight was between Dharma and Adharma. It was a fight for justice for reasons I mentioned above.

    Cont.

  168. Prithvi says:

    A religion or I should say a false religion which is founded on the lines that what others are doing is wrong, has the elements and seeds of conflict at the heart of it and it cannot survive for a long time. Whatever gain happened in terms of land and followers, happened because of multitude of reasons, it is over now.
    India suffered massively because of unfortunate decline of MAURYAN EMPIRE which existed and ruled up till the modern day country of Iran and since there was no unified kingdom at that time when bandits and thugs started knocking at our doors. :@

    Good that you say that you were a fan of the story, I still see some hope for you to reconnect with your ancestors unfortunately brutally subjugated for a false ambition.
    What you also need to understand is the essence of MAHABHARAT which is the victory of Truth over deceit/evil depicted with the victory of Pandavs over Kauravs who were cousins. For the first time I am getting a feeling that you are may be teenager or even a kid.

    Moreover, what is more important is that DID YOU EVER ASK THIS QUESTION EVER TO YOURSELF, why do I like or liked seeing and watching the stories of Mahabharat?

  169. Prithvi says:

    It was never done in the history of any HINDU kingdom that a king attacked any other kingdom or people to spread the religion HINDUISM because that is against the very principles of HINDUISM (you should do your homework), you are only a born HINDU and we like your Muhammad never look for converts, we are confident about our teachings and do not need the sword or mercenaries to spread our word. What you are seeing with Yoga and Ayurveda taking on the world with storm is a just a brief part of some of our ancient religious texts. :p

    I have, you first of all remove the veil from your eyes and try and see the world with an open mind. Before lecturing me, take some initiatives yourself instead of debating unnecessarily. Remember something, islam and it’s principles are at the core against the principles of humanity and especially democracy and people now are fast realizing it. It is better that you change sides quickly before it is too late. Your uneducated forefathers made a mistake, why don’t you correct it with education and give them a more peaceful, meaningful and loving life once again?

    Cont.

  170. Prithvi says:

    Wars were fought since time immemorial for political control, land, wealth everywhere in this world. ^_^

    Even Alexander took off because of the false beliefs that he is son of a God. But they were all wars between kingdoms and at least they were sincere enough to call it a war between kingdoms. You cannot expect sincerity from a fox that garbs his same political and wealthily ambitions under the garb of a religion, fools people, motivates them by offering women and money and then says, it is happening for God. Cowards do that. :$

    You however forgot to answer the main question, did you look back into the series of events under which your family converted, was it bloody, forced, how were the women treated? Try and find out, you will start hating this false god and especially the man who planted this seed of hatred between humans.

    Cont.

  171. Prithvi says:

    What you are quoting is Abu Bakr at the death of Muhammad. When there was a brief disagreement between Omar/Umar and Abu Bakr and it is clear that the quest for the seat for the Caliphate had already started by then but this is not important.
    =/

    To arrive at a conclusion about who is right why should I listen to Abu Bakr when Muhammad himself portrays and signifies something else by his actions?
    If he stops people from praying which is and rightly should be the most important duty of a muslim then what does that action of the founder signifies. He is himself saying, he is bigger and more important. I am not. B)

    We have been conditioned to have an open heart right since our childhood, we are told to ask questions about our GODs and everything to what see around us. Democracy – do you understand this word – it is a part of only one religion in this world and that is HINDUISM.
    Do not try to teach me lessons by standing on a platform made up of corpses of innocents for the political and worldly ambitions of a hypocrite.

    Cont.

  172. Prithvi says:

    I am not, he said it, your Muhammad :p

    Volume 6, Book 60, Number 1:
    Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
    While I was praying in the Mosque, Allah's Apostle called me but I did not respond to him. Later I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say'–"Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle when he calls you." (8.24)

    Apart from this one hadith and the verse from the quran, this particular incidence is mentioned many a times in the hadith. Go and search.

    Cont.

  173. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah ihsan,

    As per Allah's admission in Quran 23:14 & 37 : 125, Allah is not the only creator and there are so many creators. I will come later to other Quran verse where Allah falsely claims there was no one except him as the creator and there were no helpers to him in creating, in direct contrast to verse 23:14 and 37:125.

    All religions except Buddhism and Jainism say god(s) created the universe and so a god is the one who creates the beings. It means anyone capable of creating beings is a god. Don't confuse creation with invention as you did in your previous comment. Humans have invented so many things and they are called inventors not creators.
    So, when there are many creators besides Allah these creators are also gods. Allah can claim anything but who can believe his own claim unless other creators attest to his claim.

    Now that Allah has admitted that there are many creators, I can safely say that Allah is not the prime god given his absurd, illogical, unjust and barbaric commands in his absurd book Quran and that there must be some other creator as the Prime God who is just and logical and out of jealousy for the Prime God, Allah being a psychopathic narcissist, lies in his terror book Quran through his psychopath demonic prophet Muhammad to deceive the gullible humans to make them accept him as the only God. From this point of view, I think Allah is a traitor to the Prime God and must be punished for his treachery!

    Now tell me how can we expect this psychopathic narcissist Allah to accept other creators as his partners? Can a narcissist or psychopath think others as his equals? No, never. I really wonder how stupid you are to expect Allah to accept other creators as his partners!

    When there are many creators and Allah is only one of these creators, all these creators are equal partners in creation irrespective of whether Allah is ready to accept this fact or not. Here Allah's recognition does not matter.

  174. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Prithvi

    How could you say that Rasulullah was and is perceived above God after you went through my post quoting the following verse:

    "And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful." (QS 3 : 144)

    Please read it with an open heart. 🙂

    And don't forget Miss Prithvi. Our ancestors were once Hindus and I have learned that with Hindu as their religion there were also many killings and wars among the emperors. The Majapahit ( Indonesia's past Hindu's emperor) outreached far regions. If you want to know how they did that, you can google "Majapahit' your self.

    What can you say about this? Was it of Hindu's teachings to wage wars against and conquer neighboring emperors?

    I am not intending to offend your religion here, but please search deeper into your own religion before judging Islam.

    Moreover, please don't think that I don't know the stories of Mahabarata and Baratayudha. I was a fan of the story when I was a kid as I used to read them in series (the stories are famous here and still played widely today in a puppet show called 'wayang', so a great number of Muslims are familiar with the stories).

    Was it Sri Krisna (a God's incarnation in your belief) who told Arjuna that he did the right thing when learning that Arjuna was not feeling good to have engaged in war against his own cousins? 🙂

  175. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Of course No.

    Does the verse say that Allah confirms other creators as partners?

  176. Sanada_10 says:

    "first of all go and correct your people, pitch a camp and start telling the pilgrims there that what they have come for is wrong and against the basic concepts of islam"

    Bravery test, eh? It's fit the auntie.

  177. Prithvi says:

    You are again right but in your own peculiar and ridiculous manner when you say that your messenger is not perceived as god because in reality he is perceived over and above God, you all were rightly called Muhammadans in the early days.
    Do I need to send you the tens of Hadith in which your messenger stopped and intervened in between people offering namaz to Allah and then in a shameless manner offered an excuse – that – it is important to respond to Allah and his Apostle when he calls you?
    Does this action of founder himself not prove his intentions and questions the supremeness of Allah in front of him, oh hell yes, because he knew the reality more than you do, he knew who exactly allah is.
    Will you ask for the Hadith or the verse from the Quran where in muhammad has intervened people offering namaz to Allah and what does this prove, was muhammad over and above allah, if not then why did he stop people in between?

  178. Prithvi says:

    As far as the oldest religion Hinduism and it’s one of the custom being discussed here is concerned, the idea of offering something to idols is a custom which is dating more than 10000 years and it is not done because the idols of our deities would consume it or if we consume it, we would one day become the king of peace loving desert countries by killing innocents and children by deception by shielding a false god for moral defense.

    The idea is to offer the food before we eat ourselves as a token of respect and then that same food which was offered to the deities is then distributed amongst people as a symbolic blessing. Is this not better than proclaiming that Allah is the greatest god and then entering a plane inside a commercial building with 100s of innocents who hardly bother or are aware about your god?
    This is all symbolic and is done with a deep respect for our deities and GODS and I would say much better than holding the leg piece of a goat in one hand and then saying that God is revealing something to me as done by Muhammad. B)

    Cont.

  179. Prithvi says:

    You are absolutely right, it is not said that the black stone is God but it is also said that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah alone and the customs which most of the ignorants follow when they go on Hajj is exactly like venerating the Black Stone which has been there at the Kaaba since the time Muhammad forefathers were also nowhere to be seen.
    You are a muslim and let me correct you that you are not supposed to bow down in front of anyone or anything or venerate, forget about a black stone.

    How many muslims visit the ajmer dargah in ajmer in India which is nothing more but the grave of a late person? Do you have the guts to call them non-muslims, if yes, then first of all go and correct your people, pitch a camp and start telling the pilgrims there that what they have come for is wrong and against the basic concepts of islam. Would you do that ? :p

    Cont.

  180. Prithvi says:

    Abdullah was the name of the father of Muhammad meaning the SLAVE OF ALLAH. Have you ever bothered finding out who was Allah before Muhammad started his career as a messenger of Allah and especially during a period of idol worship?

    Have you tried finding out how and in what circumstances your family converted? Was it bloody; were your family folks forced upon? Were the males of your family too spineless to sell off their identity or wisdom for a petty taxable gain?
    You should, the experience of you going back into the past of none else but your family history would throw a lot of enlightened to the cause, the cause of your dementia.

    Cont.

  181. Prithvi says:

    Abdullah, Abdullah, Abdullah,

    If there is any award for sounding ridiculous and sounding ridiculous for SOME period of time, you would come out on top with flying colours.

    I know you, and I understand you very well also. You are demented and you debate with a very cold heart which is why you always use the smileys at the end of your sentences.
    You are not serious about the debates; you just try and tease people with your comments. However genuine people like Sanada, Arya, John are trying to help you with your dementia, embrace their love and chances are that you would recover from your ills. 🙂

    Cont.

  182. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah ihsan,

    All your irrelevant stories aside, give your straight answer to my question whether as per Quran 23:14 & 37 : 125 Allah has partners in creation or not?

    We will come later to other issues in my previous post. Lets' go ahead with one issue at a time. No change of topic, Okay?

    I want your straight answer to my question " Yes or No".

  183. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie Ihsan, about your story:

    Where is the basic rule, auntie? Every deed from muslims must comes from Muhammad’s teaching. I want straight example of Muhammad’s justice when dealing with minorities. So far, you can only bring small and isolated example which has no clear connection with Muhammad.

    Are you sure that story about Ali and Jew regarding a shield is authentic? Care to give the source and narrations? I’d advised you to bring reference every time you write something but you never do that.

  184. Sanada_10 says:

    Human bodily function has nothing to do with Islam. Heart beat or recharge is just another mystery of this universe just like the energy of the sun. Only science and research can dive into it, not religious theory. If you compare it with personal god then you will face many difficulties regarding other facts that contradict the very image of god in religions.

    I know you want to say that Allah is the one controlling that, but too bad, he had made mistakes regarding this world so you better throw him out of the list of possible "entity". Why couldn't he remember his own creations and method? The answer is simple, he was not the one.

    About, Maruf's post, I've answered that, remember? I know you have the habit of ignoring answer but at least be honest and don't repeat your refuted post once in a while. Naked in the hotel is not ok in this age and place because of the rule born from years of society's tradition. Technically, it is neither right or wrong, it's just human perception. If you are not accustomed to that you will faced with some problems but nothing serious but if you are accustomed to that act you will have no problem. I did have made comparison about that (alone and not) but you didn't understand it as usual.

    Watching porn movies is wrong if it's creating problems to you and your surrounding. If you use that just as reference for marriage relationship then that's not wrong. It depends on what happen after you watch it and what you intent do.

    You can state that "no worship old Mo" every time but the fact stays, you love and obey him more than god, not to mention that some verses were actually had Mo behind it as a reason. Feel me?

    Abu Bakr's words was no different than you. He still used Mo as his idol because he was the best example. If he was dead and forgotten, no muslims would love and chant his name anymore, just Allah and his rule. The way you adore Muhammad is actually the same with Christian to Jesus in term of affection.

    That verse justifies nothing and actually contradicts the other verses that say Muhammad was not just a messenger. If muslims want to obey Muhammad they obey Allah. Allah gave Muhammad some decisions in many occasions too.

    Wrong again, auntie. Allah is the best creators means Allah the most powerful creator among other creators (read: god). He was competing with other gods, remember? The verse should say, Allah the only creator, but it didn't say that. Too bad, eh?

    Cloning is not creation, it is science and invention. It uses the ingredients that are already there, creation is making nothing to something. You don't understand the difference, do you? Take example of cooking. God created foods but human invented cooking. That's 2 different thing.

    Allah has not partner? You believe the thief's own words regarding the thief? If you stuck just on petty statement you will get nothing

  185. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    To what extent can you use your logic?

    Can you explain why humans are 'always on" and get 're-charged' when they are asleep and find all tiredness gone when they wake up? or can you explain why your heart keeps beating without you telling it to?

    Please also note Mr. Maruf's post replying to Prithvi who said it was not OK to get naked in the hotel lobby. Tell me now, Mr. Golden Rule, using your logic and reason. Is it wrong or not to get naked in a hotel lobby? or perhaps on the streets?

    Or tell me.. is it right or wrong to watch a porn movie?

    And whose standards are you using to support your answers to these questions? yours? or that of a nudist or a porn movie makers?

    About worshiping Muhammad. No, we don't worship Rasulullah. We believe that all that Rasulullah did were what Allah guided him to do as human role model.

    Abu Bakar was the reminder to all Muslims with his statement on the day Rasulullah passed away:

    "If you worship Muhammad, then Muhammad has died, but if you worship Allah, then Allah is alive and He doesn't die."

    Then he said the following verse:

    "And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful." (QS 3 : 144)

    About Allah is the best to create. The verse doesn't say that there are other creators of the universe. Allah is capable of creating creatures that can think and create (human beings made by Allah capable of creating things and civilizations). It is seen within the scope of the rapidly advancing technology, some groups of people have started to deny the existence of God and forgot how they live in His Mercy. You must have heard these days that human race have started to play god through the so-called cloning.The verse should be a good reminder of God’s existence for those engaged in this particular field.

    Of course Allah has no partner. He doesn’t need any. Even other creators are His creatures.

  186. truth says:

    Trust me it is very funny, but they have good storage system. hehehhe hahhahaahah, even my Dog is laughing

  187. truth says:

    Muslim should Marry nine to ten woman like Mohd. did, i realy Jealous old man

  188. truth says:

    This thig Allah came to you and told Personally, or he called you on your mobile that hey all muslim this is like it. you stupid dirty pigs showing your ass five day to each other, smell like dirty pigs you all have fake story and drama to make this world hell

  189. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah ihsan,

    Where is your reply to my above question? Are you running like Zebra?

  190. John K says:

    We criticize Islam, not Muslims. To the extent that you promote and believe Islam, you become equally evil and complicit in its crimes.

  191. John K says:

    There is no Allah. Your life will not be measured against the immorality, sociopathy and criminality enshrined in the Quran. The Quran is a classic case of calling evil good.

  192. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah ihsan,

    Unlike Muslims, we are not dependent on any narration from Hadiths or Quran to decide what is right or wrong but instead we use logic and reason to make such a decision because as humans logic is the only tool we have for determining right and wrong. Unlike non-Muslims, Muslims are strange species who think anything Muhammad said or did is right irrespective of whether it is illogical, irrational, unjust, nonsensical, barbaric, ludicrous or unnatural.

    You need not perceive Muhammad as God. If you believe in Muhammad blindly and praise or do whatever he said or did without question, then it is tantamount to worship of him and this is called hero worship or personality worship. Right? You cannot escape from doing this kind of worship by simply saying that you do not perceive Muhammad as God.

    You claim that "The concept of God having partners in creating and maintaining the whole universe is truly unacceptable in Islam". Is it? Then what you say about these two Quran verses that say Allah is the best of creators :

    Surah al-Mu'minun (23:14) :

    Pickthall :

    Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

    Shakir :

    Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.

    Sher Ali :

    Then WE fashioned the sperm into a clot; then WE fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then WE fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; Then WE clothed the bones with flesh; Then WE developed it into another creation. So blessed be ALLAH, the Best of creators.

    Surah as-Saffat 37:125

    Pickthall :

    Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the Best of creators…

    Yusufali :

    "Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators…

    Shakir :

    What! do you call upon Ba'l and forsake the best of the creators…

    Sher Ali :

    `Do you call on Ba`l and forsake the Best of creators…

    These two Quran verses say that Allah is the best of creators which means there are many creators and Allah is one of them though claiming to be the best.

    Now tell me as per Quran whether Allah has partners in creation or not.

  193. Sanada_10 says:

    Good advice, let's see the bravery of this auntie. Waiting for the news …

  194. Sanada_10 says:

    Quoting delusional author from 7th century is bad way to prove something. The opponent can do the same.

  195. Sanada_10 says:

    Every religion can make its follower to repent but in Islam it goes with consequence. If your sin is big enough you will go to hell for unknown period of time. This whole repentance business is human product to deal with their guilt. They always want to get free from any bad omen but at the same time do what they like.

    Strangely, allah needs to ask you. Feel anything odd here?

  196. Sanada_10 says:

    You presented nothing but your own monologue. I've presented you the injustice in Islam in many narrations. You didn't answer it.

    No, no one here thinks about "the last prophet" because no one cares about prophet hood. Your excuse is 1400 years outdated. Anyway, it appears that the whole "last prophet" thing is in need of change. Its standard is horrible.

  197. Sanada_10 says:

    Historically, Kaaba was a pagan place of worship. It contained many idols from many religions. Kaaba was a symbol of tolerance prior to Islam.

    Stick to actual history, not narration from Islamic biased method. Muhammad grew up as a polytheist. It's in his blood and he couldn't change the way they did the ritual. The result is simple, pagan ritual added with a little bit of idolatry plus monotheism = Islam.

    You don't perceive Muhammad as god in theory but actually you worship him and his persona more than god.

    PS: Kissing the black stone is idolatry. Dude, that is just a stone, a dead object.

  198. Sanada_10 says:

    Hold on, so you believe everything you wrote here? Aren't you aware about fabricated stories in Islam?

  199. Sanada_10 says:

    So? That doesn't even prove that Islam treats Jews as equal class. Stick to Muhammad, auntie. The presence of dhimmis in Islamic society is to benefit muslims where they can't do it by themselves. Your answer to Juste is not an answer.

    How about my question about Ali? Still avoiding it?

  200. Sanada_10 says:

    Like I told you, Saudi is already good at implementing the real Islam. Read mine, auntie. Umar is refuted.

  201. Sanada_10 says:

    Jihad (dies in allah's cause) is the best deed for muslims. With this you will go straight to heaven without counting your deeds in earth.

    Death is certain, anyone knows that but birth? I don't think so.

    Anyway, still trapped in your own body, auntie?

  202. Sanada_10 says:

    Believing in own afterlife has nothing to do with criticizing Islam (not muslim). One is personal and the other is not.

  203. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    "That day mankind will issue forth in scattered groups to be shown their deeds.

    And whoso doeth good an atom’s weight will see it then,

    And whoso doeth ill an atom’s weight will see it then."

    Al Quran (99 : 6 -8)

  204. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    You sound so sure about your version of the afterlife. If that's what you believe, why not sick to and focus on it stop criticizing Muslims? 🙂

    Yes, we do believe in Resurrection Day. And Allah witnessed that I have told you so. 🙂

  205. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    That's what you say Sir. But that's not the way I understand it.

    I will be questioned by Allah about what I do in life, that's for sure. But in Islam, when we misconduct, we can always repent and ask for His forgiveness. Directly….. not by confessing our sins to someone at a place of worship. 🙂

  206. everin says:

    Talking rots n changing the subject, Abdullah. As i haved told u, death in the physical is birth in the spiritual. When I die, I am dead sure I will not meet Allah ( who was created by Mo. ) but a fair Supreme God called SU God, who judge everybody, muslims included, for their deeds in this physical world. He will not tolerate any nonsense like giving u women, honey n wine to enjoy. All that is BS n trickery. Adultery is already a sin in this world, what more in the next ? Futhermore, as a spirit u have no physical body to enjoy that kind of physical things. Resurrection from the dead for Judgment Day is another BS from the 1st century.
    Bliss, harmony n beautiful music is the essence of Paradise for the good souls. Of course the bad souls will receive their due punishment. Now Who is afraid of death ?

  207. John K says:

    There is no Allah. Muhammad was guided by his lustful desires to pretend a god told him it was okay and everyone else had to agree [or else].

  208. John K says:

    You should be afraid of death, because if there is a hell, you will be damned to hell for promoting Islam.

  209. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    FYI:

    Although highly recommended in a conflict situation, Jihad (in this you are referring to engaging in battle field) is not the only way for one to get Allah's forgiveness and be placed in His heaven. There are many ways and one should search himself and capability to determine in which way he shall pursue his afterlife.

    A father doing something for his family's living is jihad
    A Mother giving birth to her baby is jihad
    A young student finding his way to gain more knowledge is jihad.
    A righteous Muslim advising unjust leader to be just is jihad.

    A companion of Rasulullah once asked him:

    Which deed does Allah love most?
    Praying when the time comes
    Then?
    Do good to your parents.
    Then?
    Jihad in the courses of Allah.

    He2 everin.

    I'm in no capacity of being what you advised me to be. Here, we are analyzing those bigger men than us. 🙂

    but hey,

    why are you so scared of death?

    Death to every one is as certain as his birth.

  210. Abdullah ihsan says:

    sorry, meant to write: let me clarify

  211. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Let me clarity.

    Ali bin Abu Thalib saw this Jew (you said christian) carrying an armor suit. He simply claimed that it was his and not how the Jew got it. So the case was brought to court to determine who the real owner of the suit.

    Ali lost the case for not having sufficient proof. He was not even allowed to have his children (most familiar with their father's suit) as his witnesses.

    Seeing that Ali RA (then the Caliph) complied to the verdict, the Jew finally admitted that the armor suit was Ali's.

  212. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    It's true that we face Ka'ba when praying, kiss the black stone and go around the Ka'ba during Hajj.

    But there is no narration that says those things are God's allies like beliefs in others that tell you to feed some idols by leaving some food around them in the belief that they would consume it. The concept of God having partners in creating and maintaining the whole universe is truly unacceptable in Islam.

    And

    No, we never perceive Rasulullah as God. Not like some other religions that teach that some men are the incarnations of God. 🙂

    Rasulullah has been guided by Allah to teach how to be the best of His servants in accordance with one's capability.

  213. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Hold on.

    So you believe the story happened?

  214. everin says:

    @ Abd. Ihsan ,; Then u should start a jihad against these rulers of Saudi n Indonesia. When u win n dethroned them, u can become the true caliph of the Islamic world who will preach peace n love. But before that happens u will be blown to pieces. Then We shall mourn the death of a true hero who wants to bring peace to this world through the Islamic ways.
    A FOOL NEVER LEARNS AND ALWAYS KNOCKS HIS HEAD AGAINST THE WALL OF REALITIES.

  215. Juste says:

    Abdullah,
    Do you know what Occam’s Razor means? No matter what he said to his governor, The Caliphate was always forcefully taking lands that was belong to another in spreading Islam. These were conquests. These were military missions. Umar was angry because the governor’s action was not sanctioned by him (Umar).
    And if you think it was the dhimmis who willingly did what these caliphs demanded. Think again. What were their choices Abdullah?
    And the musyriquns too. Do you think they were willingly laid down their lives because they rejected Islam?
    These people had no other choice.
    And what about that armour suit? And you’re wrong. He was not a Jew. He was a Christian. And the Christian found it lying around in an abandoned battlefield. He did not steal it remember? Would you think it would make sense if he was to be charged of stealing when all he did was wearing something that he found abandoned?
    Would you please give me something harder next time when you imply The Caliphate was being just to people outside their own.

  216. everin says:

    Arya n others, we have to crack this stubborn head with the hammer of the truths but he keep slipping away n burying his head in sands of Arabia with sweet dreams of how to enjoy the imaginary 72 virgins. Pity his wives.

  217. Arya Anand says:

    In the strict sense of idolatry, all Muslims are idol worshippers(Mushrikeen) in that they worship towards Ka'ba, kiss the black stone in the Ka'ba, venerate and go round the ka'ba, run seven times between the hills of Safa and Marva, throwing stones at the imaginary devil and especially when they believe Muhammad had the power to institute religious laws on his own thus making him not only a proxy of god but God himself.

  218. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Of course he did..

    I have presented you and sanada about the case in which he threatened one of his governors for forcefully taking an ordinary Jew's land. 🙂

    Those non-Muslims during his era preferred paying their taxes to Islamic rulers to paying to their previous ones.

    I have also presented the case about Ali bin Abu Thalib losing a case to an ordinary Jew on an armor suit while he was a caliph.

    @ Arya Anand

    I understand why you are so repulsive against Islam as it did not origin from within your people. I assume you are too proud of your race. 🙂

    You are acting like those Jews who could not stand the fact that the last prophet was no longer selected from their race. Lucky Abdullah bin Salam who got rid of his Jewish-self esteem to convert to Islam.

  219. Juste says:

    Abdullah,
    If we ask muslims about Umar Khattab (or Muhammad for that matter) unanimously they will answer yes, Umar advocated justice amongst the muslims.
    But what about the dhimmis and the musyriquns and their interactions with the muslims? Did Umar advocate justice amongst them too?

  220. Arya Anand says:

    Everin,
    Abdullah ihasan is a nut case. Don't waste your time with this hypocrite.

  221. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    Like I told you, neither the Saudi and Indonesia is ruled by truthful caliph.

    Please read the first generation of Islam (the best companions of Rasulullah) and compare them with today's Islamic rulers. Hint: Please read how Umar bin Khattab advocated justice among the Ummah.

  222. everin says:

    @Abd. ihsan, Why ? are u too stunt to reply my above posting ? U have said yr religion teaches love.
    Where is the love as far as the Indon female workers in ME countries are concerned. They are treated like the slaves in the 7th century Arabia. Recently, we read of an Indon maid who killed her employer who was trying to rape her. The Indonesian Govt. had to pay millions of USD in blood money to save her life.
    In Ernawati's case, her family did not receive one cent in blood money. Are the Indon Muslims' lives cheap like dirt ? Answer me, my friend ! What love ? Rape n Kill by the people of the same faith with u ?

  223. everin says:

    >@Abd,Ihsan n other Muslims—- See how the Arab practice the religion of "peace". This is not the 1st nor the last case of ill-treatment of Indon housemaids. Bear in mind that the killers always go scot free. ____Jakarta (The Jakarta Post/ANN) – The results of an autopsy carried out by Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital concluded that Indonesian migrant worker Ernawati, whose remains were sent home from Saudi Arabia last month, died of blunt force trauma.The result contradicts the previous examination by the Saudi government, which the Foreign Ministry has always referred to in explaining the cause of Ernawati's death."There are bruises on her face, chest, both arms and knees because of violence by a blunt object. These bruises occurred before the person died," was reported in the result of the autopsy on Ernawati, which was obtained by The Jakarta Post on Tuesday."There was swelling and bleeding in the lungs, part of which had recovered. Bruises on the chest were the result of violence by a blunt object causing bleeding in lung tissue that led to her death," the result said__

  224. Sanada_10 says:

    Strange, isn't? Muslims keep claiming that his marriages were somehow good for the women but this act already showed his personal desire.

  225. Sanada_10 says:

    Weird excuse.

  226. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    Then why do you keep deleting your posts?

  227. Arya Anand says:

    I meant "after his death' in the above comment.

  228. Arya Anand says:

    Muhammad invalidated adoption only to marry the wife of his adopted son, while he declared his wives mothers of believers so no believing men could marry them after his marriage. How hypocritical, self contradictory and selfish Muhammad was!

  229. everin says:

    Yes, I am man enough to tell u that u are on the wrong, destructive path.

  230. Sanada_10 says:

    Everyone knows what treachery means but do you know what the real treachery is located? Using opinion of his obvious enemy will serve nothing. Muhammad taught treachery so there was nothing wrong in his doing if he found the justification (he just imitated his prophet anyway) and you as always didn't even touch the main issue about Muhammad's teaching.

    Muhammad was not teaching that kind of thing, you know as we can see that Muhammad was clearly above the law and acted like supreme king. Leader is not ummah's servant, everyone is servant of Allah and the heretic is the enemy who can be betrayed.

    Since the teaching of Muhammad was vague and full of unclear message despite the fact that he himself kept claiming it as clear, the internal war would obviously happen.

    What was Allah doing anyway?

  231. Sanada_10 says:

    Irrelevant verse, auntie. You are here to prove Islam, not like this. That verse is proof that pagan was tolerant. Care to go back to my questions?

  232. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    So you know what treachery means.

    So, again, it was Muawiyah that did the treachery given that according to Rasulullah, leaders are the Ummah's servants, not vice versa.

  233. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    If that is what you believe, again, it's all up to you. 🙂

    Say: O disbelievers!
    I worship not that which ye worship;
    Nor worship ye that which I worship.
    And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (QS : 109)

    Are you a man?

  234. Sanada_10 says:

    Sex is mostly man's view of happiness and this makes Allah as complete male oriented god. Muhammad forbade his followers to marry his widows, one more act of selfishness.

  235. Sanada_10 says:

    You still didn't answer my question.

    60 years of actual blissful living is far better than a dream resulted from denial of human existence. Are you still in denial, auntie? Once you are out you will never feel anything. Can't you accept this fact?

  236. Sanada_10 says:

    Precisely, taking an oath means you promise and declare yourself to be truthful to someone in many things and in pre Islamic Arabia, people used that as an act of trust (they didn't have testing machine). Breaking that promise means treachery and making the oath changeable means treachery is legal.

    Ex: I swear that I will not do that to you … later on, I find something better and decide to do that to you.

  237. everin says:

    @ Abd.Ihsan,
    The true heavenly shangrila for the purified souls ( spirits ) is on the highest level of existence closest to God. In this dimension the souls are bathed with loving light of God n they hear wonderful music. They have no need for food, sex, jihad, taqqiyah, anger, malice, nor ill thoughts. The 'place' is serene n peaceful. The spirits living there have esthetic feeling of love, kindness for each other n peace. Flying faster than speed of sound, they can expand n contract. They are to be the angels of God. Have u ever heard of angels needing food n sex ? However, not many souls are good enough to go there. The rest of the souls are either sent to fiery or frozen hell, or other training planes to be reincarnated.

  238. Juste says:

    Abdullah,
    Right! How’d you figure that out?
    You must be really smart.

  239. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Treachery:

    Betrayal of a trust

    or

    an act of deliberate betrayal

    🙂

  240. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Of couse.

    I knew you would say that.

  241. Sanada_10 says:

    Yes, he taught that. I quote the reliable historian Montgomery Watt:

    "Similarly, in respect of oaths, the religious aspect was probably more important than the purely moral one. The Qur'an (66. 2) permits the annulling of oaths, and for reasons already suggested oaths came to have little importance in Islam." page 328.

    In pre Islamic era, Arabs highly respected oath and treaty but of course Muhammad saw that as an obstacle to his conquest. He decided to break any oath and treaty for the sake of Islam. This makes treachery legal as long as it is for Islam. Add it with uncertainty in Muhammad's doctrine you will get treachery for sure. Quoting his follower's opinion will do you nothing good.

    Wanting Muhammad's inheritance when it was forbidden is an act of treachery too. Come on, this one you haven't answered it.

    Auntie, Muhammad had stated that nobody deserved to be called pious because only Allah knows that. He even changed his wives' name.

  242. Sanada_10 says:

    Actually, in Muhammad's mind, wealth is to be enjoyed even after death. Muhammad couldn't let go his desire on many things in this life and had to bring that to the other side.

    Yes, that's all. Muhammad wanted to enjoy it forever and refused the natural law. This was just part of many human denials of his own existence, he couldn't accept the fact that his body wouldn't be existed forever. Can't you accept that either? I see you are the one who cannot free from worldly desire. Btw, experiencing and dreaming is 2 different things.

    Quick simple question, is our body still the same in afterlife?

  243. Juste says:

    No Abdullah,
    Muhammad DID TEACH TREACHERY.
    He once said:
    “By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and EXPIATE MY OATH.” (Bukhari 67/427).
    “We smile for some people, while our hearts curse them.” (Bukhari 7/102)
    Near The Battle of Trench, he told Nu’aym, “FOR WAR IS DECEIT”.
    And when Muhammad ordered the death of Kaab Al Ashraf, Muhammad gave permission to Muhammad b. Maslama to lie and deceive Kaab in order to kill him.
    THESE ARE TREACHERIES.
    Not only Muawiya and Yazid, what the “Rightful Caliphs”, Aisha and Muhammad’s relatives did when they killed each other was treachery.
    Until this day, muslims killing each other are everyday news.

  244. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    No Juste,

    Rasulullah didn't teach treachery. Those falling into trap of the worldly life did treachery. 🙂

    This is about what Muawiyyah II said upon his appointment as the ummah leader:

    "My grand father (Muawiyyah) and my father (Yazidz) had stolen the Caliphate from that who deserved it more (Ali bin Abu Thalib) so now I'm withdrawing myself from the position and let you people take care of your own businesses."

    He went somewhere not many people knew and became a very pious person.

    The point is Muawiyah II knew that Ali bin Abi Thalib had more rights to be the Caliph than his grandfather. That's the attitude of a knowledgeable Muslim.

  245. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    Yes, I never argued that wealthy men could enjoy life whatever way they want. But looking particularly at a single man of that kind, how long will he enjoy that? Supposing that he starts it when he is 20, then what?

    fun of at most 60 years, that's all? 🙂

  246. Sanada_10 says:

    Muhammad was the one who deeply fallen in love with this world. Living in 21st century of course won't change that but it can reveal that the dogma of "wanting eternal life" to be an illusion and fit perfectly with the very definition of "fallen in love with earthly life". Don't you realize it, auntie? You are stuck in 7th century mindset and refuse to acknowledge human discovery about this life. There are plenty of "afterlife" belief that are better than Muhammad's. You don't have the patent for that.

    The very reason people don't care about your version of afterlife is they don't believe it and you cannot prove it. So, repeating that will do you nothing. When times comes, people will seek their own version of "afterlife", and certainly not yours.

    Oh, don't bother sharing your religion because we all already know what Islam thinks about the world and it's proven to be wrong anyway. Why should we follow something wrong, eh, especially the one that's still trapped in human's body?

  247. Sanada_10 says:

    It's the curse of Muhammad's legacy, the worse part is, they want us to get involved too.

  248. Sanada_10 says:

    Repeated materials. Read again my refutation, auntie. Both men had no idea of the actual mind of Muhammad, that's why the internal dispute and war happened. They also continued the legacy of robbery of other people because that's very attractive and fulfilled their lust. They invaded, looted, killed and converted various nations into Islam.

    Tell me, why did Ali and Fatima confront Abu Bakr about Muhammad's inheritance? Come on, this is just one from many questions you failed to answer.

    Going to the mosque and tell that is guaranteed suicide but on the contrary Muhammad knew that he would be okay if he did that. That's different case since muslims were the one who started the violence (the proof that Islam is not peace to others). We all now Muhammad taught violence and assassination unlike the polytheists. Why would someone want to die needlessly? Muhammad wouldn't want that too that's why he hid behind his followers in war.

    No sane person wants to go to mined field including Muhammad.

  249. everin says:

    The examples of the present age are happening in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq n the many ME countries.
    WOW ! The terminators are self-destructing till Doomdays. Very tragic ending-lah, Abd. Ihsan.

  250. Juste says:

    Yes, Abdullah.
    Muhammad taught treachery.
    Muhammad knew that he was teaching treachery.
    Killing each other is the direct result of treachery.
    So, Muhammad knew that muslims will be killing each other. It’s a fruit of Islam. And only Islam.

  251. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Thank you Juste

    Your long lists have made me more confirmed that Utsman bin Affan and Ali bin Abu Thalib are one of the best men ever lived other than His prophets. 🙂

    And both Utsman and Umar had long been foretold by Rasulullah that they would die as Syuhada, though. 🙂

    You and those falling too deeply in love with this worldly life will surely say what you just said. 🙂

    What about you judger?

    Have you forgotten your idea to go to the mosque and deliver your 'truth' to Muslims?

    Or you still remember but pretending that you have forgotten about it?

    Or is it actually only a bluff?

    caused by lack of guts perhaps?

    Come on…… 🙂

  252. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    I have told you that those falling too deeply in love with this worldly life will surely say what you just said.

    No, Sir. you are wrong.

    Living in the 21st century doesn't change the fact that everyone of us will die when their times come.

    You may laugh however you like and name-call us. I was just trying to share what I know about my religion. 🙂

    Again, the choice is all yours.

  253. Sanada_10 says:

    That's the legacy of Muhammad. What do you expect from supremacist religion which separate humankind to group vs group? Added with unclear religious doctrine you would soon have that.

  254. Juste says:

    Of course downplaying the bloodiness of Islam, Abdullah forgot to mention:
    Caliph Abu Bakar had to kill many apostates after Muhammad’s dead.
    Caliph Umar was killed by his slave.
    Aisha instigated Muslims to kill Caliph Uthman. And Uthman was killed while reciting Quran right?
    Afterward, Caliph Ali protected the murderers of Uthman.
    Suddenly, Aisha the prophet’s favorite wife waged war against Ali, because she wanted her cousin to be Caliph.
    And then Muawiyah waged war against Caliph Ali too because he wanted to be Caliph.
    After Caliph Ali’s asassination, Caliph Muawiya rose to the top and poisoned Hassan the grandson of Muhammad.
    Next comes Caliph Yazid ibn Muawiya who killed Hussein the grandson of Muhammad.
    Amazing! The “Rightly Guided” Caliphs.
    After muslims are out of non-muslims to kill, they’ll wield their swords against each other.

  255. Sanada_10 says:

    Mentioning other killings won't wash what Islam had done to its follower including its civil war. This proves that Islam is just another political system just like the rest added with "religious justification and unclear doctrine" by Muhammad making Islam as chaotic system which prone to internal dissension. Stick to Muhammad and Islam will you?

  256. Sanada_10 says:

    If Indonesia became fully Islamic the minority will be suffering and that bomb is already justified through the doctrine of jihad against the west (the very reason why indonesia is still pretty much unislamic). I've done it too, don't repeat your old post, auntie. Furthermore, the order to fight until all people convert to Islam and become dhimmi is of course very Islamic. Indonesia and the west haven't been there yet so fighting is legal until Islam is fully practiced. So bombing is in accordance with Islamic mission.

    Your prophet destroyed pagan's religion and place of worships, making people of the book as second class and killing the rest. This is undeniable. Read what muslims had done to other place of worships.

  257. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    I have told you that despite its Muslim biggest population, Indonesia is not an Islamic country that bases its law on the Quran. The laws here are based on something else. Too, like elsewhere now, we have no Caliph here, what we've had are 'democratic' presidents.

    Attacking people not in conflict with Islam of course is wrong, so the bombing of hotels in Kuta and Jakarta can't be said as Islamic teachings. On contrary, the people killed doing 'maksiat' in the disco in the bombing incident should have been advised and invited to know the Islamic ways of living and leave their ways of living if they wanted to. If they refused, again, there is no compulsion in Islam.

    Rasulullah had also forbidden the destruction of places of worships.

    Bali of course is peaceful and prior to the bombing, Muslims have had no incident with the Hindus there.

    So the bombing was made to give Islam a bad name. 🙂

  258. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    First let me tell you that there are also a lot of killing among those other than Muslims since the ancient time to this day. Am I correct? Or should I give you samples to help you see the fact?

    When we get more specific into Islam and analyze why there is also much killing in it, then the answer lies in the history of Rasulullah's best companions after he passed away. You can learn a lot from it.

    The greatest yet the most saddening internal war happening between two groups of Muslims was that between Ali bin Abu Thalib and Muawiyah bin Abu Sufyan, triggered mostly because of the growing practices of unIslamic ruling systems in the late era of the Caliph Utsman bin Affan. Utsman was a very good companion of Rasulullah who had done countless deeds for Islam development. But within his Administration which succeeded that of Caliph Umar, Islam was reaching out making the Nation get bigger while this Caliph himself was reaching very old age.

    Islam loves peace, like I told you, but true Islam upholds justice more among Muslims, and Islam too prioritizes the welfare of its ummah. This concept was forgotten by Muawiyah (a Governor in Utsman Administration – and a legacy of that of Umar bin Khattab who was so scared of Umar due to his strictness in ruling justly) and his group where he started building palaces and was forgetting that leaders in Islam were supposed to be the ummah's servants, and not vice versa.

    Ali bin Abi Thalib (then Utsman Advisor) had long detected this happening and advised the Caliph to fire Muawiyah and replace him with a better companion of Rasulullah. But Muawiyah is said to be very smart person who had always had excuses for what he was falsely doing.

    Ali bin Abu Thalib was a perfect example of a zuhud leader who would not even take a penny for his own welfare other than what had been determined to be his right, while Muawiyah spent most of his life as a Governor in richness and pleasures. During this dispute, Muawiyyah also accused Ali of killing Caliph Utsman to create confusion among Muslims.

    Later, the war between the two groups happened. Islamic scholars have had deeper studies on this and some tried to judge which side was right and which was wrong. I personally say that Ali was on the right path.

    Before and during the war, some of other Rasulullah’s best companions then still alive refused to help Ali bin Abu Thalib fight against Muawiyyah and Ali never forced them to. Their reasons for rejections was mostly because they didn’t want to fight against fellow Muslims but they later regretted that they didn’t when they found out that Muawiyyah appointed his son (Yazidz)as the next Caliph and Yazidz later appointed his son (Muawiyah II) as the leader. This type of leader succession (like that in imperial system) is not that of Islamic teachings.

    I am trying to write it brief and I am not an author, so if you want to get to details, please read the Islamic histories carefully. 🙂

  259. everin says:

    @ Abd. Ihsan ….Since there is so much in-fighting n killing among the Muslims, some Muslim scholars have tried to find the best interpretion Of the Quran to unite the ummah in peace, but don't seem to work. Why? Can u give an explaination, please.

  260. everin says:

    @Abd Ihsan, What, teaching love in Indonesia ? what about the bombing of hotels in Kuta beach and Jarkarta (Marriott hotel), Stoning n whipping, killing of the Ahmadis n Christians. Destrution of churches n temples. Is this u called love. U are really good at taqiyyah.
    Anyway, the most peaceful part in Indonesia is Hindu Bali.

  261. John K says:

    Right. Each Muslim they can keep away from violence is potentially a non-Muslim life saved.

  262. Sanada_10 says:

    Well at least these 2 groups are in no way practicing the real Islam and its real purpose, making the country moves farther from Islamic practice and reducing its role bit by bit. Moderates in other hand are the true danger that keep Islam alive.

  263. John K says:

    I don't find any hope from those sectors because they keep Islam alive. Dr. Sina puts the best hope on getting the truth about Muhammad to the uninformed in Muslim nations so they will leave Islam.

    We are often so worried about Islam's outward expansion that we fail to see that Islam's internal problems make it unsustainable. In the past alternative sources of information were not available to Muslims in Muslim countries, but today mass communications are reaching more and more people.

  264. John K says:

    There is an article on FFI analyzing the word "love" in the Quran. The word appears infrequently, and never in the Christian context of "God is love" or the second great commandments, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." .

    In general Islam teaches to be good to Muslims and to kill and subjugate non-Muslims.

  265. Sanada_10 says:

    That's called "love" to Allah aka "fear". Remember, their dict is different.

  266. Sanada_10 says:

    With Islam you will find no peace concerning religious tension. War and violence in the name of religion will always be there.

  267. Sanada_10 says:

    Stick to Islam and Muhammad, auntie. Umar expelled the Jews from Arabia and put Christian as second class citizen and we can see that this lead to the annihilation of Christianity in Arabia. Islam itself is purely intolerant..

  268. Juste says:

    Ihsan, About Al Aqsa,
    There was a site considered to be holy, if not the holiest in Judaism. Namely Temple Mount.
    Due to its extreme sanctity, many Jews will not walk on the Mount itself, to avoid unintentionally entering the spot where God is said to talk directly to man. After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site.
    Aside from being the fact that it is an unlawful occupation to a Judaic ancient site, the take over was an significant event in Islam.
    You see as per Quranic and Muhammad claims during the Miraj as revealed in Qs.17:01, specifically mention al masjidil al aqsa to be literally “the furthest mosque”. Not referring to a mosque that did not exist at the time.
    Now, it seems to me that when the Umayyads conquered the Old City of Jerusalem, their rulers built a mosque at the site of Temple Mount and name it Masjidil Al Aqsa (The Furthest Mosque). To prove to everybody that Muhammad was not insane. There is a mosque actually named Al Aqsa.

  269. Juste says:

    Ihsan,
    How did you get lost out of understanding John’s statement in the first place?
    Focus Ihsan. John specifically stated there will be no peace as long as Quran is read as a sacred text.
    He’s right. Quran DOES NOT teach peace. Quran teaches “kill them”, “smite them”, “subdue them”, “fight them”, “be harsh on them”, “cover them with shame”, “punish them” and all sorts of muslims’ idea of peace. The list is too long for me to write down each.
    Please. If you have a point, state it. We are not a bunch of muslim braindeads.
    Don’t forget. Replying an argument with something that is entirely out of context is called FALLACY. Be smart.

  270. Juste says:

    Irrelevant as always, Ihsan.
    I want you to PROVE your lie when you said Islam teaches “peace”.
    Remember, there is only one Islam. One Muhammad as the founder of Islam. And Quran as a book of muslim’s guidance.
    If you give me ONE MORE INSTANCE about the conduct of ONE MAN (except Muhammad) makes it IRRELEVANT.
    WHY? Because i can give you DOZENS of INSTANCES from the time of Muhammad until today. Where muslims destroy places of worships and/or kill the worshippers and/or other buildings that are considered shirk.
    One INSTANCE from me:
    Muhammad took over Kaaba that was once a place of worship of the Pagans and made it a muslim’s exclusive, don’t forget, Pagans were peaceful and were in a negotiative manner and Kaaba was rightfully theirs remember?
    How about that?
    Another CONDUCT OF A MUSLIM; Mehmed 2, converted Hagia Sophia that was RIGHTFULLY OWNED by the Byzantines and made a mosque out of it.
    Try again, Ihsan.
    This time, TRY TO PROVE your lie when you said Islam teaches “LOVE”.

  271. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    One instance?

    Upon the conquer of the Masjidil Aqsa, Umar was involved in conversation with the priests who asked him to pray in a church (seeing it merely also as the place of worship) but politely refused by the Amirul Mukminin. His reason was that he feared his conduct as the Ummah's leader would be followed by Muslims that Muslim would have otherwise changed churches into Mosques.

    This can't be said tolerant?

  272. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John

    So you mean to say that you have witnessed peace in the world? Read from the ancient times to this day, and tell me which parts of the world have maintained peace 'forever'?

    Please be a little more specific, particularly when you are trying to negate wars where Islam really had nothing to do with them.

    Should I give you examples?

  273. Juste says:

    And of course, muslim liars forgot to mention that Islam teaches “love” and “mercy” when Muhammad had Abu Afaq – an old man and Asma bint Marwan – a mother of five assassinated. If this is a concept of “love” in Islam, Islamic heaven (jannah) must be filled murderers, psychoes and terrorists and other unspeakables such as child sex offenders or rapists.
    And Islamic hell must be filled with their victims.
    What a religion! Allah must be insane.

  274. Juste says:

    Islam teaches love?
    One instance in Islam does not mean Islam teaches love.
    So what if Abubakar did one thing good?
    So that means Islam teach love? Prove it, Ihsan!
    If Islam taught love, Muhammad will not became the murderer that he was.

  275. Sanada_10 says:

    Islam doesn't teach love but submission. Also, Islam teaches the very foundation of arrogance, harsh to unbelievers but compassionate to believers including considering believers as the best people. Remember, stick to Islam and Muhammad and don't forget to bring Quranic verse about that.

  276. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Everin

    Hi

    I don't have to teach love, SIr. Islam has been teaching love for those who deeply understand it. A great person like Abu Bakr wouldn't have walked around helping a blind old widow had he not understood the love taught in Islam. And he did not stop doing it even after he was appointed as the Ummah's leader.

    Sir, may be you confuse love with something else here. 🙂

  277. Sanada_10 says:

    The only hope comes from liberal and hypocrite muslims. Moderates are out of the picture.

  278. John K says:

    There won't be peace in Indonesia as long as the Quran is read there as a sacred text. Things are already getting worse as violence against non-Muslims and persecution escalates. Even so-called moderate branches of Islam will always breed violence and intolerance because someone will find the verses promoting it. But Muslim culture is pretty monolithic in many ways, and moderates tend to be taqiyyists more so than innocently ignorant.

  279. everin says:

    @Abdulah Insan, U must be a great Iman in Indonesia with yr wide knowledge plus the knowledge u have learned here. I hope u don't teach violence to yr pupils because violence begets violence. Teach love and u'll have peace in Indonesia. And the volcanos will not be exploding with too much violence.__Peace be upon you.

  280. Sanada_10 says:

    Relax, Juste. This auntie still has a lot to do on this one.

  281. Sanada_10 says:

    Finding the escape point eh?

  282. Juste says:

    Mr. Ihsan,

    I believe my unreplied comment is in the article Moon Split or Islamic Hoax.

    Address it!

  283. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Alright Juste…. you invited me to:

    "Persecution of Muslims by the Pagans in Mecca"

    How do you want to start?

  284. Sanada_10 says:

    As if she's gonna answer it.

  285. Sanada_10 says:

    Another useless repetition. Your definition of "serving god" is different from that Christians. By doing the curse they were not serving god but making sin. Is this simple fact so hard for you? Answer my 6 questions.

    Their backing off was an act of serving god. You have only 1 glasses.

  286. Sanada_10 says:

    Red herring.

  287. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, you didn't read my answer on that, what a boring repeated reply. In fact, the cursing was never happened in the first place, it was a bluff. The priest refused because it against the faith. It's that simple. My 6 questions stay. Answer it, auntie. Here, I'll repeat it again:

    The question is: Is the salesman right?

    Second question is: If Muhammad was very sure that this method was actually true then why didn’t he try that to other parties such as pagans or Jews? Why scared trying it to others?

    Third question: Does you irrelevant “treaty” have something to do with this bluffing? People of the book can practice their religion as long as they become dhimmi, second class citizen with limited rights and abused status.

    Fourth question: Was there even a successful curse? Does this prove that Muhammad was prophet? Or he was just deceptive man with dirty tactic who took advantage from their opponent? Why scared proving it?

    Fifth question: Do you want to try it? No one here is scared to that. Or it is you who are scared coz it is useless? Why scared trying it here? Come one, bring evidence at least once.

    Sixth question: Why do you concentrate on this trivial thing and ignoring the big issue and proof that Islam is false? Scared, auntie?

    Don't act like an answering machine, auntie.

    Fact 1: Priest refused because of their faith
    Fact 2: There is no obligation for Christian to accept Quranic verse. Your rule is yours, mine is mine
    Fact 3: The cursing was an isolated incident, useless in other matters, indicating a specific tactic at specific moment to specific people.

    Still don't get it? Wow.

    You have a weird logic here. Those who are sure would have never done that? Don't be silly kid. Muhammad himself wasn't sure about this and decided to use it only to some people who were obviously forbidden from cursing. Don't put your standard on others.

    Here:

    Christian faith = love = no cursing = if they did it = sin = against god = they were sure they wouldn't get helped by their god. Read my parable, auntie. I know you ignored it again.

    Nobody respects a coward who runs from questions like you and ignoring the answers given to you. Don't forget too that you still owe me a lot in many topics.

  288. Juste says:

    Ihsan,

    Right! Ad hominem taken and set aside.

    Please continue our discussion during the period so-called “Persecution of Muslims by the Pagans in Mecca”

  289. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K,

    Sir, WHY do you think those Christian Priests backed off given that they claimed to be those serving to their God? Given that they had spent their valuable time learning the Book and seen signs in it? Given that their main purpose was to find the truth and to worship the real God?

    Please answer me. 🙂

  290. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ some one who still didn't get the picture

    It is easy to say something that COULD HAVE HAPPENED. Please note that the Priests REFUSED to do as the verse ordered. Those who are sure they are on the right path WOULDN'T HAVE DONE that.

  291. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Ha ha, Juste…

    I too understand that you are a failed Muslim who left the beautiful teachings of Quran.

    When you want to touch the issue of Jews, please don’t overlook how MANY ayats in the Quran that call Bani Israil to not forget whatever Allah had blessed them with. The ayats are for the Jews to come back to Allah’s teachings and were understood perfectly by Abdullah bin Salam (a Jew who converted to Islam after learning that Muhammad was truly Rasulullah). Those who didn’t simply couldn’t stand it because this time it was Allah’s will that the messenger was no longer from their tribe. To kill their arrogance.

    Juste,

    Please…. reread the Quran, this time you better ask guidance from a learned scholar, so you won’t sound lest-informed anymore.

  292. Sanada_10 says:

    This is the main point which this auntie missed deliberately,

    Was that curse proven to be working? Did Muhammad ever make it as fact? Quoting some Christians and their attitude hardly proves anything.

  293. Sanada_10 says:

    Repeated materials. They came to convert him and found out that he was setting them up. Back to my question, why didn't Muhammad do that to others? Only to these Christians? Did they convert? Come on auntie, use your little brain once in a while. Why was Muhammad scared using this method to other incidents? If he was so sure about Allah's power he wouldn't need to kill anyone like thug. There were many person whom he hated personally but he didn't do this and went on killing and assassinating them. Not too confident about the curse, eh? I know you highly rely only on faith and prejudice but try to see this with neutral glasses. The assumption of "Muhammad is right no matter what" blinds your eyes.

    True muslim is anchored on this earth. That's why they created another earth in heaven. They know nothing about this world. Too bad, you suffer on this earth and vanish into thin air, any other thing is just illusion of the brain.

  294. Sanada_10 says:

    Christian priests did that to convert Muhammad but after showing that he had set them up, they didn't care about him. If they were scared they should convert at that time but no. Treaty of the dhimmi? Why do you keep repeating this refuted post? What a desperate muslim, relying solely on isolated incident like this.

    Start to think using others view, not just Islamic view.

  295. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, it is you who didn't get the whole picture. Your belief and assumption leads you to the silly conclusion without examining other elements.

    A dispute between kafir salesman (S) and muslim customer (C):

    S: Come, come, muslim, buy my merchandise!
    C: Your merchandise is not new. I won’t buy it.
    S: Although it is not new, this merchandise is still in good shape. It’s refurbished and it’s good. I swear it.
    C: No, I want a guarantee from you at least six months.
    S: I can’t do that since these goods are second hand. The guarantee is expired long ago.
    C: Then I don’t want to buy it.
    S: These goods are still in good shape. You don’t believe me? Come let’s put a wager on this one. If the goods is okay six months later, I’ll win and you’ll pay me twice the price if not then I’ll pay you instead. How about that?
    C: No, my religion forbids me to take part in this money and luck game. It’s a sin.
    S: Sissy!

    The question is: Is the salesman right?

    Second question is: If Muhammad was very sure that this method was actually true then why didn’t he try that to other parties such as pagans or Jews? Why scared trying it to others?

    Third question: Does you irrelevant “treaty” have something to do with this bluffing? People of the book can practice their religion as long as they become dhimmi, second class citizen with limited rights and abused status.

    Fourth question: Was there even a successful curse? Does this prove that Muhammad was prophet? Or he was just deceptive man with dirty tactic who took advantage from their opponent? Why scared proving it?

    Fifth question: Do you want to try it? No one here is scared to that. Or it is you who are scared coz it is useless? Why scared trying it here? Come one, bring evidence at least once.

    Sixth question: Why do you concentrate on this trivial thing and ignoring the big issue and proof that Islam is false? Scared, auntie?

    Simple deduction can lead us to the obvious answer that Muhammad was bluffing and cherry picking his opponent.

    Why scared? They were not scared in the first place. Their mission and obligation was clear, they came to convert people (serious reason) and they had obligation not to spit curse (serious obligation). By doing so would betray their faith so their god would not help them (serious fate) because they behaved badly. Serious fate and obligation doesn't get erased by serious reason. Got it, auntie? I know you didn't read my answer and went on repeating the imaginative word "scared".

  296. Juste says:

    Mr. Ihsan,
    I understand you’re a muslim, and muslims can be like you sometimes.
    Here’s another simple logic:
    Suppose you met a Jew and you practice your vile da’wah by giving him this ayah,
    “And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them (The Jews), “Be apes, be despised.” (2:65)”.
    What would he’d think of you then?
    Would he say “L’chaim! Our ancestors were apes? Awesome!”
    Or would he say “Muhammad is not my prophet, Islam is not my religion and Quran means nothing to me. Because my ancestors were centuries ahead of yours. So everything you say means nothing to me.”.
    Feel me?

  297. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    He he

    Is that what you call logic?

    It didn't make make any difference to the Najran Priests (Christians) when history said they entered into a treaty with Rasulullah?

    Juste, I know that you and some of your people highly rely your arguments on this A B C method. But it is me now who asks you why you can't understand what happened between Rasulullah and the Priests.

    Please read again the clue Mr Juste, with a more open mind:

    'The priests didn't come all the way to Madina just to have some sort of picnic. It was GOD the two parties were talking about. It was GOD to whom Rasulullah invited the Priests to pray to show which party lied.'

    Please be smart….. 🙂

    Juste, ha ha. True Muslims perfectly understand the world, including bitter fact about it that it is just a temporary stay for them.

  298. Juste says:

    Mr. Ihsan,
    Why bother? Please understand these simple logics.
    Exhibit A: Quran was not written by God
    Exhibit B: All other religions have existed far before Islam. Therefore the accountability of Quran is rendered invalid to all those previous religions
    Exhibit C: Muhammad was a hateful person, he could hate and justify his actions by writing new verses in Quran
    You understand these simple logics don’t you?
    Okay, i know you don’t. Here, i make another analogy so you’d understand:
    Christians can’t attack the Jews by the Bible. Although they both came from the same root, the Jews don’t regard Christians’ bibles as valid. Because the Jews existed earlier than Christians.
    Whatever the Christians’ bibles say, it won’t make any difference to the Jews.
    Hence, whatever the Quran says. It is only valid for muslims. Because whatever the Quran says, it won’t make any difference to Christians.
    Please understand logics. Understanding the world would be a lot easier then.

  299. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Juste

    Again, you are showing silly arguments.

    You said: "Why bother?"

    Read:

    The Christian Priests did not come all the way to Madina just to camp. Despite the fact they they did back off regarding what the verse said, they HAD a treaty with Rasulullah.

    Why are you so silly, Jute?

  300. Juste says:

    Mr. Ihsan,
    My answer will be…
    Oh yeah, i forgot. Judeo-Christianty never acknowledge Muhammad and Quran and his Allah. Why bother?
    Ask around Mr. Ihsan, will any Jew or Christians (or Atheists even Hindus and Buddhists) acknowledge the accountability of Quran and Muhammad as a prophet?
    Problem is, muslims can not escape to acknowledge Judeo-Christianity. Because Muhammad rehashed a lot of thinks from their teachings. Well, except for the war, kill, rape, deception, misogyny and anhillation part.
    That is Islamic originality.

  301. Abdullah ihsan says:

    For her who didn't get the picture.

    Surely the Priests had visited Rasulullah for a very serious purpose. To question and prove the prophet hood of Rasulullah. They didn't come all the way to Madina just to camp. 🙂

    If they had thought that Allah was fake….. why scared?

    It was God they believed in that the issue was all about…. why scared?

  302. Sanada_10 says:

    My question still remains too. Knowing bible doesn't mean you can curse people with that. Simple rejection is enough since:

    1. Cursing match is futile since allah is fake and
    2. Christian god is love not hate
    3. Muhammad knew this pacifist people and belief, that's why he chose this

    It's like telling the monk to drink wine to prove something.

    Talking about Bible, why don't you finish Muhammad's error on that? Bringing new topic when cornered is shameful act.

    The issue here is the power of the curse, not the thought of Christian. Care to try it here? Invoke all you want to prove it.

  303. Sanada_10 says:

    Scared is your assumption and since Christian learns not to curse (but love) the result is predictable. Your question remains? it's your cowardice that remains.

    My question remains too, was there any successful cursing? Does this prove his prophet hood? This only proves his childish behavior. Many muslims had done that on Sina and nothing happened (fact).

    It is easy to say this is the proof but this is not, it only shows Christian was reluctant on insulting and cursing others, unlike muslim. The fact is, no cursing ever succeed in Muhammad's time, that's why he used violence later on.

  304. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K and Juste

    I'm not attacking anybody here or any religion. Juste said Rasulullah could have made up a verse. Fine…….

    The Christian Priests were closer to the sources of the Bible than the two of you are, and Rasulullah was closer to them than he was closer to both of you. They were also the experts of the Book, spending most of their time reading it. They were so sure of what were written in the Book. So let's say that they were also sure that Rasulullah was lying. Agreed?

    My question remains:

    "Why did thy get scared? and what made Rasulullah confident?"

  305. Sanada_10 says:

    Wow, the blatant diversion and the new topic emerges..

  306. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    Let us ignore other posts of mine you have been refuting. Let's focus on this one. Why did the Christian Priests walk away? and instead, they agreed a treaty between the Najrans and Muslims?

  307. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ all

    The story implied that the Christians Priest thought Rasulullah was lying. Agreed?

    It is easy to say something about 'cursing match.' It is easy to say something that COULD HAVE HAPPENED. But that was NOT THE FACT.

    My question remains:

    "Why did those priests get scared?"

  308. Sanada_10 says:

    Actually, humans are accountable to themselves. When you do bad deed you'll get bad consequence from your surrounding. The problem with belief is the shape and attribute of the god. What if the god is like Allah? Muslim will be accountable to this god to please his desire and crime is born. We should be accountable to humanity first then "higher power" later since it is not clear at all and it totally depends on the belief.

  309. John K says:

    "Accountability to the victim, yes, but to god? I don't think god need us to do that just like he doesn't need our good deeds either. Anyway, I was talking about Allah the most forgiving god who throws humans to hell for not believing in him. Is this even accountable while Allah himself had stated that he was the one who misleads human in the first place?"

    Right. I'm off topic, but to take it out of Islam, when you were a child, you were accountable to your parents for your bad behavior. As an adult, if you don't believe in God, you are not accountable to anyone for your bad behavior. You may be accountable to an employer for bad performance, or to the government for criminal or civil infractions, but governments can be good or bad. Muslim countries are a perfect case in point. So even if you don't believe in God, you need to believe in a higher principle or law to hold yourself accountable for your actions.

  310. Sanada_10 says:

    How about a cursing match? The one that dies is the loser. Ever heard this incident in history?

  311. Sanada_10 says:

    This is red herring again, satanic verse is responded by this irrelevant verse. Just because some Christian didn't like cursing (against the teaching) doesn't mean Muhammad was right. Tell me, was there any incident involving the working curse? This must be pretty practical for him and there would be no need for killing anyone if this worked.

    Your prophet was childish man and strangely, Allah was a servant on this one. Maybe you should try this one and yeah, muslims had done that on Sina too.

  312. Juste says:

    Mr. Ihsan,

    Now this is a great idea.

    Attack a Christian with Quranic verses.

    Don’t you know how absurd you sound? You forgot, historically Christians existed centuries before Islam.

    So technically, Neither the Jews nor The Christians acknowledge Muhammad, his Allah, his Quran and Islam itself.

    Muhammad could make up a verse in Quran based on his personal hatred toward Jews and Christians.

  313. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ John K

    Mr. K,

    You asked me this: "Haven't read about the satanic verses?"

    So I assume you buy that the Holy Quran contains satanic verses.

    Perhaps it is you who would volunteer to explain why the Christian Priests backed off and walked away when asked by Rasulullah to do as the following verse orders:

    "And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie. " (QS 3 : 61)

    Why did they back off Sir?

  314. Sanada_10 says:

    Accountability to the victim, yes, but to god? I don't think god need us to do that just like he doesn't need our good deeds either. Anyway, I was talking about Allah the most forgiving god who throws humans to hell for not believing in him. Is this even accountable while Allah himself had stated that he was the one who misleads human in the first place?

  315. John K says:

    "I don't know if he produced any verse"

    Haven't read about the satanic verses?

  316. John K says:

    It's about accountability for our actions.

  317. Maruf says:

    According to Blaise Pascal (in article http://alisina.org/what-if-god-exists/) we should believe in God. Because if we now believe that there is no God, but after death suddenly found that there is really a God, then no scope to rectify, straight looser. But If we believe in God in this life, then we will be in safe side whether there is God exists or not. So what we have to do is to find out the only true / loving God among the Gods in various religions.

    If Dr. Ali Sina was honest, suppose one of my friends called me, Maruf come out of your home, right then I will asked him where I will live at night? If he could not provide me another home than he has no right to call me come out? My friend should first manage another better home for me if he wants me to leave my current home. But Mr. Sina is not doing that he should have at first come up with a truer / lovelier God comparing to Muslim God before asking Muslims to denounce their faith. But without giving a solution he is offering a problem. This proves that Mr. Ali Sina has something evil hidden in his mind.

    He also suggests that to live ethically this will be enough for you. I am also agree with him in this regard.

    But who will decide the ethics meaning which is bad or which is right?

    Somebody tells, looking to a woman is bad, somebody tells looking is ok but touching is bad, somebody tells shaking and kissing is ok but adultery is bad, somebody tells everything is ok if both agree. Somebody tells Gay is very bad, some tells no it is their right. Some tells to be vegetarian is right , some tells no everything which is permitted can be eaten . Some tells bikini is perfect because it reveals the whole beauty, some tells no- woman should be modestly covered. Doctors say alcohol is harmful but it is permitted in many countries. Some says gambling is bad because it looses man financially, socially but many countries has permitted it. Some says interest is not bad for economy although it can’t resist recession, others tell that Islamic banking is less affected by the recession. A robber says robbery is good because he can earn much money with less effort and enjoy a luxurious life but the victim will say it is crime.

    For these reasons laws of every country differs each other and there is a continuous clash between pro and con.

    So the question is that who will define the good or bad or set limit. It is obviously the God, the Creator. Otherwise every right or wrong i.e. ethics becomes meaningless. So Gods presence/guidance is essential.

    So what is Dr. Sina doing, he is trying to make Muslims ex, without suggesting a more true God/religion for them. He wants to bring them out of home to under the sun, rain, storm, danger. It is inhuman. He is utilizing his brilliancy, literacy for misleading people, for the evil of the society.

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  318. Sanada_10 says:

    This is for Abdullah Ihsan,

    From now on, I urge you to bring source whenever you want to say anything about Muhammad. Your latest post is proven to be irrelevant subject. You said that Muhammad was trusted to store goods by the Meccan and that means he wasn’t a robber. Excuse me, auntie. You are totally confused here. Just by mentioning “Meccan” doesn’t mean it’s the same Meccan. First, the amount of goods was not mentioned, it could be small or big so if he wanted to take that it would be very annoying judging from the need he had to migrate alone safely and not bringing additional problem. It’s not clear how these goods could be useful. Second, the owner of the goods was different people, not the one that confront him at that time so he couldn’t risk bringing more enemies. Third, look at Ali at that time. No harm came to him. He could safely stay and leave as he wished including when he substituted Muhammad. This proves once again that Meccan in general actually didn’t really care about Muhammad except some people with authority in the city.

    When he realized that he was poor and had no way to give prosperity to his followers he began to turn his eyes to his nemesis whose had rejected his preaching. He started to rally his followers to get income from raiding caravan which is certainly had a lot of goods to finance his mission and life (and of course cannot be compared to the people’s goods he had before). People at Medina didn’t want anything to do with that aggressive move and so do his few followers but he kept persuading them. Did this caravan raiding target Quraish only? Apparently it didn’t. He also chose another tribe who had nothing to do with his old conflict with Meccan. He did anything to gain power including robbery.

    Aisha, the child bride:

    Bukhari 7.118:
    Narrated 'Ursa: Aisha said, "While the Ethiopians were playing with their small spears, Allah's Apostle screened me behind him and I watched (that display) and kept on watching till I left on my own." So you may estimate of what age a little girl may listen to amusement.

    Muhammad was planning to attack everyone even if there was no conflict at all in the first place:

    Bukhari 4.177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

    4.179:
    Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."

    4.267:
    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah's Cause." He called, "War is deceit'.

  319. Sanada_10 says:

    Dear oh dear. You again misunderstand me. What I mean by "one step at a time" is you have to finish one issue before you put another issue on top of that, leaving a hole on the first one. That is your habit all this long auntie.

    You need to answer not distract it by putting irrelevant topic. Got it auntie? In here, everyone is bumping everyone as long as the topic is discussed not distracted like you. Quit the childish protest, will you.

  320. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Some one asked me to go one step at a time. But what about her 'newspaper'-type' of bumping articles even to those not talking to her?

  321. Sanada_10 says:

    Dude, first, you are already proven wrong about Abu Bakr's words on "dissension", "observation" and "charter of medina" so in order to avoid further lie from your mouth I demand source to prove everything you say to the reader. It's that simple. When you utter something the source don't say it that way or it is fabricated or it is irrelevant with Muhammad. Got it, auntie?

    When I say "source needed" I mean you are lying or you are giving irrelevant misinterpreted words. You claim to be reading Islam but you are spewing false information about it so you need to be held responsible for what you say. Accusing me for not knowing Islam will do you no good since you have avoided all topics including pedophilia in Quran.

    Being trustee (just a past job) doesn't erase his crime. Hitler loved his family so much and very compassionate to them, does that mean his crime is erased?

  322. Sanada_10 says:

    Red Herring. Meccan is Meccan, it has nothing to do with Roman or Persian. I've shown you the list of their naive action but you didn't dare to confront it. One step at a time, kiddo. You are a bad mind reader, full of negative assumption and guessing.

  323. Abdullah ihsan says:

    This someone when presented good deeds of Rasulullah, keeps asking 'sources needed' while she's been claiming to know a lot about Islam. 🙂

  324. Sanada_10 says:

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, being unable to answer my proof you chose to avoid me. That's old tactic of a coward, auntie. What I mean "free lancer" is that he was not involved directly to the conflict. He had no business whatsoever except helping the good side with little effort. Your misunderstanding is way too far here. Again this is tu quoque fallacy and cherry picking argument.

  325. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Is this some one gonna say later that the Persians and the Romes were naive that they lost the Wars?

  326. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Some one loves making 'play' out of her imagination. Let her do that. 🙂

    @ Arya Anand

    Is it true that Khrisna was only a free lance officer?

    Doesn't Hindu tell you that he is one of god incarnations? Someone is confusing me here by saying that Khrisna is only a free lancer. Which one is true?

  327. Sanada_10 says:

    Yeah, being naive in a harsh world will do you no good.

  328. Arya Anand says:

    Meccans were humane and peace loving unlike Muhammad and did not visualize the danger to the survival of their culture, religion and their own livelihood emanating from Muhammad and his evil cult. They lacked central leadership and hence failed to act decisively to finish off Muhammad and put an end to his barbaric cult. Otherwise, world's history would have been different for the good of the humankind. Now non-Muslim civilized world is making the same mistake of the Meccans of the 7th century CE.

  329. Sanada_10 says:

    You know Juste? What is the name for a person who calls another without "looking at the face"?

  330. Sanada_10 says:

    A brief comedy from muslim’s brain:

    A: god can’t incarnate!
    B: yes, he can. God is omniscient
    A: No, he can’t
    B: Yes he can
    A: No, no, no! No is no.
    B: Yes, yes, yes. Yes is yes. Tell me, how do you know that he can’t?
    A: Because he said so.
    B: Ah, it’s the same. He can because he said so too.
    A: No, he can’t. It is fixed.
    B: It is fixed in your own turf. We are talking about god in general, not your god. If your god is not omniscient that’s your own business and weakness. Hey, your god even made mistake about that.
    A: No! Think, think, think
    B: That’s not thinking but believing. Yes, yes, yes, think, think, think. Any moron can say what you say.

  331. Sanada_10 says:

    Source needed. Muhammad didn't have any belonging because of the boycott and all his followers migrated without their belonging. One of his followers even protested as why they left their belonging in Mecca but Muhammad didn't like that and convinced that the belonging was lost for the sake of Allah.

    This is another tactic to make muslims bear enmity towards Meccan. To created hatred so that he could take revenge on Meccan. The pagan never accused him as robber? Then why did they keep changing trade route and finally sent army to protect the goods? Battle of Badr happened because Muhammad robbed their caravans. You are not logical, auntie. If that's true then no man in Arabia was labeled as robber and Meccan wouldn't need to protect their own goods.

  332. Sanada_10 says:

    Yes, they are naive. They didn't finish off Muhammad while at Mecca, didn't pursue him while at Uhud and didn't care about him after he went to Medina until the robbery. Meccan failed to realize that Muhammad came to destroy their religion. They were too naive. Banu Qainuqa had mentioned that also that Meccan knew nothing about warfare and deception. Man, you are stupid really. Khalid was an individual and I was talking about the whole tribe.

    Here's the difference, Meccan was busy taking care of themselves (defensive) while Muhammad was busy conquering others (aggressive). These 2 different mindset are obvious. Be it war or religion, it is already proven. Prior to Islam, Arabia was a multicultural place and respected all religions but after Muhammad came, there was only one religion until now.

    Laughing when failed to prove anything, auntie? I see I got your nerve on this one.

  333. Sanada_10 says:

    Read again the difference, you are only repeating this. Khrisna was only free lance officer, the company's vision was not his beside the good and evil is clear on that story. Also, he didn't get involved in massacring people unlike Muhammad. This is another tu quequo fallacy.

  334. Sanada_10 says:

    This so so stupid. What I mean "go back to indo site" is in the context of this particular post (ex. Khrisna, god etc). It is connected to that site. "Asking Sina" is different topic (ex. cowardice, bravery etc). Why do you keep misunderstanding me, auntie? So, wow to your ignorance.

    I said to you that if you wanted to ask Sina regarding bravery you should go to english site. That doesn't mean that you should stick your arse in here forever while blatantly ignoring other topics that had been answered then repeated it again here as if the answer was never there in the first place.

  335. Sanada_10 says:

    Er, when I mean "no significant incident" is when there were no killing and massacre of the muslims or shutting down Islam. Bilal got that because of economic reason, not religious reason. Abu Bakr freed him but brought another black slave and the owner accepted it. Muhammad was the culprit of the conflict. He created unrest among the Meccans. It is common sense again that he was hated judging from his foul mouth. 13 years and still, Muhammad and his followers were not harmed except some minor incident unrelated to religion.

    Throwing innards was just reaction. The intolerant one was Muhammad since Meccan had already given all religions a space to practice it as long as you didn't mock each other. If you started touching the sensitive area and did that arrogantly, things would come in a bad way. Don't protest if people started to hate you because you mocked their identity.

    Do you know what Meccan said regarding this? They said that they were very frustrated since this incident never happened before. They felt sad, insulted, anger etc. They were accustomed to religious tolerance and no war happened on religious background. Suddenly, boom, out of nowhere, came a man who attacked religions right and left without any proof and argument. I say, throw this s.o.b out.

  336. Juste says:

    I forgot,
    Why did Muhammad left Mecca for Medina?
    Let’s see. His sugar-mommy Khadijah died, he was poor, he was broke and everybody in town hated him for being the troublemaker that he was because he liked mocking the religion of the ancestor. Literally he was a bum.
    Feel me?

  337. Juste says:

    Muhammad was already a troublemaker back in Mecca. I remember Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, with other sundry notables, went to Abu Talib (Muhammad’s uncle) and said: “You know the trouble that exists between us and your nephew, so call him and let us make an agreement that he will leave us alone and we will leave him alone; let him have his religion and we will have ours.”
    So, i believe the pagans were diplomatic people.
    Also can you tell me, how many muslims killed during the so-called “Persecution of Muslims by the Mecca Pagans”?
    Really.

  338. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Wow!

    Some is trying to say that the Meccan lost the war because they were naive when everybody knows that the General, syaifullah Khalid bin Walid was on the Pagan side (later it was under his command that the Persians and Romes were defeated)

    Some one, please stop making me laugh……. 🙂

  339. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Wow!

    Some one is trying to say that Khrisna had nothing to do with the baratayudha war when everyone knows that it was him who told Arjuna he did the right thing when seeing Arjuna not feeling good about engaging in war with his cousins.

  340. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Someone is telling me to go back to the indo site but after asking me to come to visit this english site to have replies from sina. Wow again!

  341. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Some people couldn't even see that prior to his migration to Madina, Rasulullah ordered someone to return all belongings the Pagans had asked him to keep. And the fact that the pagans had stored their belongings at his house because they had always seen him as an honest and trustful person.

    Why would he rob if he could have taken all belongings trusted to him?

    Please don't make me laugh…..

    The pagans themselves never accused him as a robber, why do some people (not interacting directly with him ) come up with that silly accusation?

  342. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Wow!

    No significant incident in Mecca?

    Bilal tortured by heated stone for merely saying Allahu Ahad, Yatsir's family tortured more or less the same way, and later the pagans' boycott to Muslims that they had to feed themselves with roots were not significant incidents?

    Wow!

    Rasulullah smudged with innards while praying near Kabah was tolerant?

    Wow!

    Rasulullah's succumbing by way of migration to Madina (not stopping the Pagans to aim at him) does not count all as being tolerant? and it is still the Pagans who were tolerant?

    Some one is trying to make me laugh here…….. 🙂

  343. Sanada_10 says:

    That persian? I can see the persian is not a riot like this auntie. He still has some honesty unlike her.

    She's playing Hitler's scheme which a lie can be true if repeated over and over again. Careful though, she might accuse you again for that.

  344. Juste says:

    Amazing! He posted a single comment, i read half of it, already i sniff at least eight lies in his post before i was done reading it.
    Almost like reading some WW-II propaganda message or something.
    I kinda miss Mr. F The Persian Guy, at least i believe he was trying to be sincere.

  345. Sanada_10 says:

    What is this? This is just repetition. you don't read anything again. Prove to me about the age of Aisha and the sanction in Quran. She's 9, period. Re-read the refutation on this, this, and this.

    Also, your version of Aisha is unfounded and based on suspicion. 15? where did you get that, your silly imagination? I can imagine too that she was 6 years old. There is no narration that record another age. The burden of proof is in your shoulder and Quran had stated it clearly that there are no age limit in marriage. You can even marry 3 years old. Abu Bakr didn't accept that immediately and uttered the word "but you are my brother", but Muhammad was a prophet and no muslim dare to refuse him so Aisha the 6 years old kid had to endure this marriage. Muhammad had set the standard of child marriage at that time.

    Aisha the little bride:

    Bukhari 5.256:
    …there I saw his daughter `Aisha Lying in a bed because of heavy fever and I saw her father Abu Bakr kissing her cheek and saying, "How are you, little daughter?"

    Aisha is proven that she was 9, she didn't attain puberty, still playing with doll, and were immature even after the marriage. Muhammad was also recorded trying to persuade other child but rejected.
    .
    Obviously you don't read anything about Muhammad's wars. The aggressor was muslim in the first place. They started the series of robbery to Meccan caravan. Read this. Also, the Meccans were tolerant people and for 13 years there were no significant incident. Muhammad had made a foolish act on insulting their religion and culture. It is common sense for Meccan to hate him. Even after that the Meccan still wanted to negotiate but rejected. After Muhammad was showing a threatening gesture the Meccan wanted to put him in his place but not expelling him. Muhammad threatened his own followers to migrate while they had no problem in Mecca in the first place.

    After he was gone, the Meccan just ignored him and went back to their daily routine. Muhammad couldn't accept this and wanted to get revenge by playing victim. He started caravan raiding like a common thug because he had no other way to make money plus to get revenge to the Meccans. Muhammad could win the war because the Meccan were naive people.

    Auntie, let's be honest. You had failed to prove anything about Allah's divinity but here you are, spewing fallacy and used circular logic to prove this Allah as god. May I remind you again that the real problem is "Allah is not god", not "There is no god". Quoting Allah's own word "cannot have son" is circular logic since we don't accept premise that "Allah is true" automatically before you prove it. You are very confused on how to prove something. If we accept that premise then the very effort of this discussion is futile in the first place. Use his word after you prove his divinity.

    With rational and logical mind, it is clear that Allah was Muhammad himself and since he had a weird concept of trinity (father, mother and son) it was predictable for Allah to uttered that word. No, the trinity is a unity according to Gospel.

    About Jesus, you should re-read again my explanation in here and indo site. Prostrating and praying doesn't actually dismiss him since he is just the word of god. "Son" is a metaphor.

    Comparing Muhammad to Khrisna is a joke. Why? Go back to indo site since I've explained it. Khrisna didn't get involved in crime like Muhammad, he didn't rape anyone, didn't massacre the whole tribe, didn't get personal revenge, didn't torture and assassinate his "enemies" just because he couldn't answer them. Plus, the position of good and evil is clear in that story. With Muhammad you'll get the reverse. And no, being a cab man and mere adviser doesn't make him as Muhammad. It's like comparing free lance officer to a director.

    Now, about the "clear narration". I again urge you to read this. The "trace" of Islam actually does you nothing good, it attacks Islam back and don't forget the editing process of the Quran.

    Auntie, be brave at least once and answer the issue, will you? I know you keep repeating the refuted post of yours. It only shows that you don't have any intention to listen and receive other view in the first place, let alone fact. You are behaving like a supremacist.

  346. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Scrutator.

    Slowly ,Sir.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong about the case of Aisha. It is still being widely discussed even among Muslims. Those Muslims who believe she was a lot older than nine too have base for their arguments. Those who don’t also do. But the main point is that she was married to Rasulullah with her father’s consent and her permission, like you can see in today’s countries laws on young marriages (even in some other scriptures young marriage is allowed for girls a lot younger than nine). I am personally of the belief that Aisha was at least 15 when she was married to Rasulullah and at least 18 when Rasulullah consummated his marriage.

    This is the beauty of Islam Sir. Everybody (Muslim) is welcome to have a deeper study on their religion, and leaves their subsequent decisions up to individual beliefs on this social-regarding matter.

    You are what? I suggest that you look at your religion and see if it still has sources as clear as those of Muslims. LOL (Sorry to laugh, can’t stand it when I picture how you would do it). If you are an atheist, then I can say no more to you since by that you have clearly denied the Supreme Power who has created the Universe, and to simplest fact that He provides food for you through plantations, fruits, animals.

    About your other long accusations (up to 10 points I notice), please read what Rasulullah’s enemies have been doing to his followers during Mecca time (13 years of worshiping their God under extraordinary pressures from the Pagans to whom he invited to leave such polytheist beliefs they were practicing), and how upon his avoidance with his migration to Madina, he had tried to establish a society in which Madina’s residents with different beliefs were free to practice their religious teachings. Please don’t overlook the fact that it was the unpleased Jews who initially allied with the Mecca Pagans to plan an attack on the about-to-establish society.

    But I like to quote particularly on when Rasulullah re-entered Mecca he never ordered to kill the surrenders (except few), but instead he said his famous statement: “ Dismiss… you all are free to go.”

    If you want to read objectively, you will find how the Caliph Umar bin Khattab once prayed (in then condition where technology was not like today’s): “I wish there were a huge mountain between us and the Persians so we wouldn’t have to engage in wars with them.”

    Sir, the aggressors have always been Muslim’s enemies, not Muslims. Shouldn’t have they considered all risks before engaging themselves in war against Muslims, instead of throwing countless complaints about what Muslims (winners) had done to them when they came out of the war as winners?

    Please THINK SIR

    About your opinion about God being Omniscient, Allah (God) Himself has made it clear that He can never be comparable to His Creature. That is fixed! If you are so well educated with today’s technology, then what makes you think that it is necessary for God to incarnate? Man is to notice His existence through observing all His creations, not His (impossible) incarnation.

    As you have mentioned Jesus,

    Even Jesus in many occasions clearly confirmed that he was not God. If he had thought himself so, then why would he prostate and pray? Please read in Bible portraying that Jesus did.

    “One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.” ( Luke 6 : 12) and many more, if you even bother to read.

    Sir, when you touch the issues of Rasulullah’s war, it is not fair to compare him with Jesus or Budha. You can compare him to Khrisna or Sri Rama if you want to be fair enough. It is true that Khrisna did not ‘participate’ in the war, but being advisor and cabman for Arjuna did not make him a participant?

    Again,

    Please THINK, SIR, THINK.

  347. Scrutator says:

    Arya Anand,

    I am happy you've liked what I wrote to Abdullah Ihsan, you are most welcome to add to any of my comments.

    Muslims really should be reminded about all that is wrong with the Quran and with Islamic society in general.

  348. Sanada_10 says:

    You wrote, ““Unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. Allah is Able to do all things”

    This is an empty claim. Do you even read my verses about that? I created verses just like Quran back there. It is easy to say, “I am great”, “I am number one” etc. Heaven and earth are always bundled together. Why is that? Does that mean there are only these 2 big things in the universe? How come you always compare the house and the chair inside it and thinking that these 2 are the same?

    You wrote, “Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding,”

    Auntie, no one will be given credit for stating the obvious knowledge which any lay man knows. “Creation of heaven and earth” itself is a fallacy and “night and day” is very obvious even a primitive caveman knew it. “Men of understanding” means “men of belief”.

    You wrote, “Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire.” (QS 3 : 189 – 191)”

    Same here. It’s another empty claim. Beside, Allah had committed another fallacy called “appeal to fear”.

    You wrote, “I know it’s natural for man to pursue for the best in life. It is not forbidden at all. But to those who believe, Islam teaches not to be fooled by this temporary life. The eternal life is far more worth to be pursued as you see people come and stay in the world for a relatively short period. That’s all.”

    This is another fallacy called “appeal to nature”. Everything that comes from nature or has natural attribute must be right. Don’t forget that human nature was born from years of experience and false alarm aka trial and error born from life competition, the survival of the fittest. It is like a censor to detect anything they have experienced and process it according to their own view.

    I’ve explained it in indo site but you repeated it again. The urge of pursuing the hereafter is the by product of this nature. Since human had learnt this life, its pain and pleasure, its brain would create an illusion that “seeking pleasure and eternal life” is the eternal truth. Human hates to die because they have experienced life created by brain. Why would happen if they hate it? They would create a fantasy of the eternal life with all pleasure the brain can perceived so that they can live forever. This bodily function wasn’t there at all when human was not even born. This protest and desire came after the experience from earth. Now, I’ll ask you the unanswered question I have long time ago:

    Why did god (assuming this god is personal) make the drastic and extreme change by creating the non existence into the eternal existence?

    Since I know you won’t dare to answer it, I invite anyone here to answer it.

  349. Sanada_10 says:

    You wrote, “I can always use the same sarcasm especially knowing that you too have been brainwashed with the fables telling you that some men are God incarnations.”

    Too bad it is wrong again. I’ve explained that multiple times already but you refused to read. Read again the gospel to know what “incarnation” means. Also, my query about Quranic mistake regarding that is still untouched.

    I’ll ask again: What is preventing god from doing all of these? God is omniscient, not limited like Allah.

    You wrote, “But no Mr. Anand, I won’t do it.”

    No one is asking to do it and you don’t even understand the issue here.

    You wrote, “Let's face it. I'm thinking with the brain Allah has given me, that it is impossible for any creature to be comparable to Him.”

    Let’s face it too that you keep running and ignoring evidence and questions presented here. You are thinking with your brain (fact) but your brain is not from Allah because it is just assumption, an unproven belief. Allah didn’t advice you to think rationally.

    You are repeating yourself again. Allah was comparable of course, with human. He has defect, ignorance, reaction, emotion, purpose, and can feel insecurity. All of these are human attribute. It is entirely possible for any creature to be comparable with him

    Anyway, this sentence of yours come from believing, not thinking.

    You wrote, “If you consider your self so educated through witnessing how advanced today’s science is, how huge the universe is, and what human brains are capable of, then why are you still picturing God as resembling His creature (s)? Why do you still think that the Almighty God needs allies? And why do you still think that God equals humans in look?”

    Irrelevant subject. Science has nothing to do with Islam as it is proven again and again that Islam contradicts science.

    1. Advanced Science => born not from religion
    2. Huge universe => contradict the small and simple universe in Quran
    3. Human brain => contradict Islamic mindset on how to use brain “correctly”
    4. Resembling creature => On the contrary, Allah resembles his own creature. Of course he wouldn’t say it out loud since narcissist like him denies almost every time but you can look his own words with neutral mind.
    5. Allies => Again this is false. God incarnation means god presents in another form, it is a unity. Like me and my writing. On the contrary, Allah needs allies to do his bidding, start from angel, jinn, satan, and human. All Allah had is information, worse of it, it was a wrong one.
    6. Equal in looks => Omniscient god can do anything. If he decided to turn into human or splitting himself, he can. You are limiting god’s power here.

  350. Arya Anand says:

    Scrutator,

    I very much enjoyed your logical, light throwing and even sarcastic comments on the evil acts of Muhammad and his followers and the balderdash of Quran. I fully agree with your valid points in your above posts.

  351. Sanada_10 says:

    Beside, Jesus is god's word and "son" is metaphor. Jesus had already with god from the very beginning. This auntie don't read the gospel.

  352. Scrutator says:

    To ABDULLAH IHSAN

    Please do not quote from the Quran to me, as Dr Ali Sina, Dr Wafa Sultan, Robert Spencer, the late Anwar Shaikh of Britain and scores of other eminent commentators have emphatically proved the Quran is NOT THE WORD OF GOD. I have gone over this in detail, mentioning three evidences earlier and you have signally failed to respond to the points I've raised.

    I am overawed by the piety, kindness and wisdom shown by eminent personalities who appeared before Muhammad, like Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mahavir (of the Jain faith) etc. and by those who appeared after him like Guru Nanak, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the leaders of the Bahai faith, etc. These personalities never so much as wielded a sword, yet affected millions by their message.

    In contrast, what did Muhammad do ? He brought nothing but misery, violence, slaughter and dhimmitude of those who disagreed with him. Personally, I cannot respect or think highly of someone who cannot stand differing thoughts and faiths other than his own. I hate those who completely annihilate a conquered country's civilization (as muslims did in Iran, Egypt and Syria, for example) and supplant their own instead.

    I like religions which separate the religious and temporal matters, the latter evolving and modernising with time. Examples are the Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and most non-Islamic religions. Its time you too moved out of the 7th century Bedouin mindset and into freedom and progress !

    PEACE

  353. Scrutator says:

    To ABDULLAH IHSAN : THE OMNISCIENT, ALL-POWERFUL, ALMIGHTY GOD

    I agree with the comments of Sanada_10 ! God is omniscient, all-powerful and almighty, in which case can, you, I, Muhammad or anyone else stop him from doing anything He wants ? THINK !

    He can have a Son or Sons if He wishes, or incarnate in multiple Forms on this earth or anywhere else if He so desires ! Who is there to stop Him from doing these ? THINK !

    And lastly, it is not an insult to suggest He has a Son (if that is what He wants), just as in the same way it is not an insult to see Allah asking his human followers to kill His enemies, an act He could have done with a wave of His hand ! THINK !

    Abdullah, you really must have a much broader prespective, taking all the faiths into consideration, when you arrive at any inference.

    PEACE

  354. Scrutator says:

    TO ABDULLAH IHSAN: "GOOD AKHLAK(EXALTED MORAL) OF MUHAMMAD"

    Yes, like his companions, I too want know more about the Muhammad's "good akhlaq" , some of which are as follows:-

    (1) Marrying a child aged 6 and bedding her at age 9;

    (2) Killing the husband, brothers and other tribe members of the Jewess Safiyah and then screwing her the same night — the prophet did not even give her time to mourn the deaths of so many dear and near relatives ! The tyrant Mughal Emperor Humayun of India was much better, for after killing his own governor so that he could marry his widow (whom he desparately desired), he gave the widow ONE WHOLE YEAR TO MOURN, and waited all this time before she agreed to marry him !

    (3) Doing the same as in (2) above with the Jewess beauty Reyhana before taking her to bed, its amazing Islamists claim Muhammad married to help widowed women, the same ones he had turned into widows !

    (4) Attacking unarmed Jewish tribes when they were resting in the afternoon and watering their animals;

    (5) Slaughtering unarmed 600 to 900 jewish males in a single day after they had surrendered — why, Alexander (Sikander) behaved much better with the Indian king Porus he had defeated, he returned his kingdom and earned Porus' friendship — any chance Muhammad would have acted likewise with any vanquished foe ? Not on your nelly, mate !

    (6) attacking, looting and plundering trading caravans peacefully going about their business — he called these unannounced murderous raids "ghazwa", the pinnacle of Muslim heroism !

    (7) upon entering Mecca, Muhammad had offered the non-muslim Arabs "Islam or death" — a truly impartial and pious muslim act, guaranteeing freedom of thought and faith !

    (8)He got a 120 year old poet and an old woman murdered by his followers, simply because they had satirised him ! A noble and kind act, no doubt !

    (9) He and his followers changed a prosperous and peaceful Arabia, where Jews, Christians and Arabs lived amicably into an underdeveloped Islam-only Arabia — a shining example of "muslim multiculturalism" ! Pakistan and other muslim countries have since put this example into practice, too !

    (10) Wherever the marauding Arabs have gone, like into Egypt, Syria and Iran, they have completely destroyed the valuable indigenous culture, traditions, achievements, libraries, etc. and supplanted them with the obnoxious practices of desert Bedouins; the only exception has been India, where their conversion has been limited to a minority, having failed to dislodge the majority Hindu community.

    One could go on and on with "examples of Muhammad's good akhlaq", but the above ten points would be good for starters !!

  355. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    I can always use the same sarcasm especially knowing that you too have been brainwashed with the fables telling you that some men are God incarnations.

    But no Mr. Anand, I won’t do it..

    Let's face it. I'm thinking with the brain Allah has given me, that it is impossible for any creature to be comparable to Him.

    If you consider your self so educated through witnessing how advanced today’s science is, how huge the universe is, and what human brains are capable of, then why are you still picturing God as resembling His creature (s)? Why do you still think that the Almighty God needs allies? And why do you still think that God equals humans in look?

    “Unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. Allah is Able to do all things.

    Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding,

    Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire.” (QS 3 : 189 – 191)

    About the hereafter:

    I know it’s natural for man to pursue for the best in life. It is not forbidden at all. But to those who believe, Islam teaches not to be fooled by this temporary life. The eternal life is far more worth to be pursued as you see people come and stay in the world for a relatively short period. That’s all.
    🙂

  356. Sanada_10 says:

    She's not brain dead, she's just a coward with low intelligence.

  357. Arya Anand says:

    Abdullah ishan

    The way you think and speak clearly shows you are a brain dead zombie and it is a result of your brain's infection with a virus Islam. I think your disease of Islam has damaged your brain's capacity of rational thinking so severely that you are no more curable. Go to hell and join Muhammad who is rotting there, if there is a hell.

  358. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, you really don't understand trinity. It doesn't mean that god has an offspring nor has a "wife god". This is Quranic mistake because Muhammad couldn't let go the worldly mindset he had. Sigh, I've mentioned this in indo site but you repeated it again. You are total BS, really.

    You are basing your argument on Quranic "logic" not on logic. When dealing with the omniscient god you can get anything possible. Incarnation, splitting self, etc you name it. Why can't a omniscient god do that? That means there is something that god can't do. But enough with the diversion, eh. The topic is about Islam and its illogical god not Christianity. Blaming other religion mindlessly won't make Islam right.

    You verse is nothing more than an empty claim.

    Logical question: Can god feel insulted? Or it's just Muhammad? Be careful auntie, you are humanizing Allah here, the more you post the more damage you do to him.

  359. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Scrutator

    Later we might talk more, alright? But first of all:

    You used 'may or may not' upon God's Existence showing your about Him. It is an insult to say that God (Allah) has offspring. It is also rather illogical to say that He incarnates into various forms. The whole universe with everything in it is His Creation, not His incarnation. Do you see the difference, Sir?

    "But His command, when He intendeth a thing, is only that He saith unto it: Be! and it is."

    (QS Yaasin : 82)

  360. PassionateKang says:

    "I am the last Prophet" , "non-muslims will go to hell" type of declarations in the name of "Allah" signify inherent weakness of Islamic faith. From the very begining their prophet was full of insecurity never believed in the strength of his so called "Alah's word' but took refuge of threatening statements.

  361. Sanada_10 says:

    Monotheism or one god was born not from rationality but faith. You seems to be confused on what logic and rationality means. If you ever used these 2 methods you would know that Allah is a fake god as I've pointed you again and again because as a "god", it is not rational or logical to behave like Allah. Beside, to describe a god with a number is a fallacy.

    All you can do is divert the issue and begging to your opponent, no wonder you are such a clown.

  362. Scrutator says:

    You still have not dealt with the important points I wrote about to indicate the Quran is not the word of God. God may or may not have off-springs, or may or may not incarnate Himself into various Forms, but I will not take instructions from the false document that is the Quran on this matter.

    Please comment on the issue of differing copies of the Quran discovered under a mosque in Turkey, and to the other two points I raised originally.

    I am not belittling God, I AM MERELY STATING (WITH EVIDENCES) THAT THE QURAN IS NOT THE WORD OF gOD.

    Thank you.

  363. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Scrutator who said Muslims are incapable of thinking rationally and logically

    Excuse me Sir, but….

    On contrary, it is Muslims who are capable of thinking rationally and logically.

    I brought up other religions to show how irrational and illogical people are to think that the only Creator of all things allies with something, has offspring, or incarnates into humans to show His existence.

    It is me now who asks you to be rational and logical.

    “Say: He is Allah, the One!
    Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
    He begetteth not nor was begotten.
    And there is none comparable unto Him.”

    QS : 112

    Sir, please do some honest observations and be fair to your God by not belittling Him. 🙂

  364. Scrutator says:

    Abdullah, you prove the point muslims are simply INCAPABLE of thinking rationally and logically. When on a sticky wicket, all they do is to deflect the issue on to something else, as you've tried to do here !

    I raised important points which prove the Quran is NOT the original words of God. You kept mum on that, instead questioned the validity of other religious scriptures. That is not the issue under discussion on this site, is it ? Other scriptures may or may not be true, but that surely does not deflect one from the issue that the Quran is not the word on the one true God, does it ?

    As to the clarity of the verses in the Quran, it is indeed laughable ! Ali Sina and a whole host of other commentators time and again have pointed to the mathematical, logical and grammatical errors contained in the Quran ! Then how could it possibly be "clear", as you claim ?

    If you really want to understand the Quran, the Hadiths and the Sira 'clearly',you should read, digest and understand the articles in http://www.faithfreedom.org !!!

    Happy reading !

  365. everin says:

    They are pure rubbish to all of us.  Why do u need to seek refuge unless u are an evil doer ? Who has the right to claim to be King n God of mankind. ? What nonsense are u saying When no one whispers into my heart n that of my friends. Where does the evil come from ?

  366. Sanada_10 says:

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, having good moral is not the same with proving prophet hood. Many people have good moral, that's a common trait. Muhammad surely had exalted moral in your own dictionary since he was a pedophile, a mass murderer, a robber, an assassin, a hypocrite etc. He had so many defects, auntie.

    You are basing your argument on mere stories? Wow. Twist and turn as always, you missed your opponent's point again.

  367. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    One exclamation mark should have been enough though. 🙂

    Of course, Rasulullah did not immediately ask them to do so. He had invited those priests into discussions, proven in some hadiths where he really welcomed them when they paid him a visit at his house. This is also strengthened with a different verse in the Quran that asks Muslims to enter into discussions with the Ahlul Kitab with good manner. In a different narration, Rasulullah is also said to let them do their religious practice in his house.

    But, Mr. Anand, convincing people of different background was never an easy task. They kept arguing and showed doubts in him. Thus, it was Allah’s will to send down this verse.

    Rasulullah's last offer (guided by Allah) was to ask those priests to do as the verse said. The question is: If the priests were sure that Rasulullah was lying, why did they get scared?

    This story tells us that Rasulullah was convinced to have received the truth while the other party was not with their belief. It also shows us how pure and humble to his God Rasulullah was.

    If what you mean by proof is miracles, there had been people to whom miracles were shown but still remained infidels. Or there were cases where some even exaggerated by saying that the men with such miracles were God’s incarnations. You too must know this fact having noticed that even today there are few men still perceived that way.

    People love to see 'amazing' things happening, Sir. But for what? knowing that no matter how amazing man can be, he remains human who shall face death at one point in his life and return to his Owner.

    The existence of the huge universe is already an amazing fact to show how Great God is. Please read the Quran Surah 112.

    It is practically good akhlak (exalted moral) that was seen by Rasulullah's companions to prove his prophecy, not miracles.

    Stories about this are many if you want to open your heart to find the truth. 🙂

  368. Sanada_10 says:

    Want to delete it again, everin?

  369. Sanada_10 says:

    Nothing there, just an empty claim. I wonder what is so beautiful from verses like that, not to mention the scientific errors.

  370. Sanada_10 says:

    Satan has no powers but information, but so has Allah. Auntie, those "loving world" is already discussed and Muhammad was anchored to this life also if you read it with rational mind.

  371. Arya Anand says:

    @ Abdullah ihsan
    When Christian priests asked Muhammad to give them proof for his claim to Prophethood, Muhammad could not give them any evidence and what he did was just calling them to invoke Allah's curse on the liars. Do you think it is a logical response to the reasonable demand of those Christian priests? Instead of giving the proof, Muhammad resorted to frighten them with Allah's wrath. Since they knew Muhammad was insane impostor they simply walked away.

    But for you people the brain dead Muslims, Muhammad's failure to produce proof to his claim to be a prophet serves as an evidence for his prophethood!!!

  372. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ everin

    Ha ha ha, I don't know if he produced any verse.. Be direct, will you? No, Allah is definitely not Satan if you meant to say that. It's up to you if you want to trust sina on that. 🙂

    "Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,
    The King of mankind,
    The god of mankind,
    From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,
    Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind,
    Of the jinn and of mankind."

    (QS 114)

    Please learn how it is recited in Arabic. Beautiful.

  373. everin says:

    "Satan has no power over man," u said. What about his verses ?

  374. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Proof, Mr. Anand…. Is there any narration about Salman telling him that?

    If you think that Islam is and was a cult, then how will you opine about the Christian Priests backing off and walking away when asked to do as ordered by the verse I quoted above? (QS 3 : 61). What scared them off if they were sure Rasulullah was lying?

    Judging is easy mate. It has always been. 🙂

  375. Arya Anand says:

    @ Abdullah ihsan

    Judaism & Christianity had spread throught Arabia and Yemen long time time before the birth of Muhammad and so the knowledge about Christian belief in the resurrection and day of judgment was commonplace in Arabia. Muhammad just borrowed this belief to use it as a tool to frighten the unbelievers. The greeneries, gardens and fountains that Muhammad had seen during his journey to Syria were the inspiration for him to depict his paradise in the Quran. He also thought the Meccan Arabs who got to live a hard desert life would be lured into Islam if they are bribed with the pleasures of such a paradise. It is clear from the fact that most of Quran verses describing the pleasures of paradise are Meccan and the Madinan verses mostly speak about hell fire, war on unbelievers, justification of Muhammad's criminal actions.

    Zoroastrian teachings like the bridge over hell fire that ever human has to cross over on the day of judgment, intercession of Zoroaster with Ahura Mazda for his followers, pleasure or punishment in the graves till day of judgment and many more Zoroastrian beliefs were most likely plagiarized by Muhammad from Salman after he arrived in Madina and joined Muhammad's criminal cult Islam.

  376. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ helx

    Satan has no power over man. He too was created, a creature of Allah made as enemy to humans that distracts man from seeing the hereafter as the real homeland for them. It is us who are weak and from time to time fall into his traps. Satan whispers but actually it is always us who decides on our conducts whether to do goods or commit sins.

    Look, most of us are blinded by the amusements of this relatively short life thus living lives as if we would stay in this world forever.

    But after all, satan is just another Allah’s creature.

    So, why are you even thinking of worshipping him?

  377. Sanada_10 says:

    Logically, we ask forgiveness to someone because we can hurt that someone either physically or mentally. But can we hurt god?

  378. helx says:

    "Allah is Most Forgiving. He doesn't care if one has a full earth of sins so long as he comes to Him begging for forgiveness, then He will grant that much forgiveness."

    if your Allah is like that, then I would like to know what is your devil's job… just the devil does not care about your sins as long as you worship him!

  379. Sanada_10 says:

    Your post is logical fallacy and full of assumption. If god doesn't need anything then he shouldn't talk about "for your own good". The good comes from god so he actually needs that.

    Paranormal is human but you are too and you know nothing except stupid belief which is proven false. You quoted that verse but never understand what that means. Muhammad never understand anything about spiritual world and so does allah. That's why Islamic heaven is material. The answer about soul is never there, not even in judgement day because either allah and muhammad knew it. The very simple answer for something you don't know is to shrug it off as "unknown".

    Auntie, why do you keep bringing irrelevant old argument of yours, eh? Haven't you got anything else?

  380. Sanada_10 says:

    Again, the case of a kid who never read anything presented to her.

  381. Sanada_10 says:

    It's funny you are repeating the refuted words again and again. May I remind you that you have no proof at all and using a man made book to prove the divine?

    Quran was compiled (attention: no order to do that in Quran) long after Muhammad's death and it's not based on narrations. It is hadith which are based on that. Your mind is funny, you think you can erase your religion's fallacy with accusing others?

  382. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Scurator

    I actually base that very same argument of yours to tell Prithvi to examine only one thing out of many. Does she pray the way the founders of her religions did? as she claims hers to be the oldest in the world…. 🙂

    I wnt you both to think though. 🙂

  383. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    Someone keeps asking me to present proofs. Here is the proof to rebut your claim about Salman al Farisi teaching Rasululah about Judgment Day. Read the Surah An-Naba'. The surah was sent down in Mecca period. Salman arrived in during Madinah period and is even believed to have missed the Badr War. Please Mr. Anand, don't accuse something you don't have base for. 🙂

  384. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Scrutator

    It is me who should ask you to think Sir. Although not important, your question can be addressed to other sculptures as well. 🙂 The interval between us and other holy books are even longer, don't you think?

    About narrations, have you found in other religions any narrator that is described as clearly as those in Islam?

    THINK SIR, THINK. he he

  385. Abdullah ihsan says:

    additional info for Mr. Anand.

    The verses about Judgment day started early in Mecca period. Salman first met Rasulullah when he was already in Madinah. 🙂

    So Mr. Anand. Proof?

  386. Abdullah ihsan says:

    @ Arya Anand

    In Islam history, it was Salman al Farisi who came all the way from Parsi to find Rasulullah during which journey he was captured by some and made their slave. For that reason, he made it late to Madinah.

    Have you read any proof that says Rasulullah copied that from him? Did Salman himself ever claim to have told Rasulullah about Judgment Day? 🙂

    Another one:

    "And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie. " (QS 3 : 61)

    Rasulullah then asked the Ahlul Kitab (in this referring to the Christian Priests visiting to question his prophecy) to do as ordered by this verse to which the latter refused and walked away. 🙂

    So Mr. Anand….. proof?

  387. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Allah tells us to pray for our own goods. Allah needs nothing from us. Some people think they are self-sufficient so they refuse this invitation, mostly because they don't realize that whatever they are enjoying now comes from Allah.

    Allah is Most Forgiving. He doesn't care if one has a full earth of sins so long as he comes to Him begging for forgiveness, then He will grant that much forgiveness.

    @ Pritvhi

    I won't be bored (upon your reply to me) to ask you to examine whether the way you pray is still the same as it was initially taught. 🙂 Please do that for your own good….. not for anyone else. 🙂

    @ everin

    Paranormal are humans who claim they have knowledge about the unseen. 🙂

    They don't. 🙂

    "And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little." ( QS Al-Israa 85)

  388. Scrutator says:

    Abdullah, I take it you assume the Quran to be God's actual words, right ?

    But the Quran was compiled many years after Mohammed's death, who was supposed to have heard these messages from archangel Gabriel. He then told his followers about the messages, who memorised them, or wrote them on leather, parchment etc. But by the time the book was compiled, some of those who memorised parts of the message must have died carrying those verses with them, or had forgotten about them. Some of the parchment etc. must surely have perished in the 40/50 intervening years. So, how can you or any other muslim assume the words found in today's printed Quran are the EXACT words of God ? Think about it.

    Besides, other evidences exist that the the current Quran may not be the original one: (1) The very first written copy of the Quran was dated at least 150 years after Mohammed's death, changes could have taken place between the time of Mohammed's demise and the creation of this copy of the Quran; (2) a scribe, who often would note down the ayats as Mohammed spoke of them, once changed a word in one ayat to make it sound better and told Mohammed about that, who said that was fine ! This fact has been mentioned in one of the Sahih Hadiths. So much for the Quran's inviolability!! (3) the greatest evidence was discovered underneath a mosque in Turkey not so long ago, where those excavagating found SEVERAL versions of the Quran buried below the ground.

    All these evidences point to the fact that the current version might not have been the only one; this puts paid to the propoganda by Islamists that not one word of the Quran can be changed. THINK, ABDULLAH, THINK ! For once, use the brain given to you by God !!!

  389. Arya Anand says:

    It seems that in their quest for finding out what will happen after death, primitive Hindus invented rebirth and primitive Zoroastrians invented resurrection of the body and soul and day of judgment. Some Jewish sects especially the Essenes and Christians borrowed the beliefs in resurrection and day of judgment from Zoroastrians. Muhammad borrowed such beliefs from Zoroastrians particularly his companion Salman the Farsi and also from Christians.

  390. everin says:

    Let him says whatever, but the paranormal investigators, spiritualists n the clairvoyants know better.  Let the ignorant n the fools be left in the dark ages.

  391. Sanada_10 says:

    Unless, god was playing with humans. He creates this mischief (including to muslims) because he feels amusement while doing it. But, again this is not logical since god is not human. Everything allah has is human attribute thus making him a human creation. That will answer everything.

  392. Prithvi says:

    This logic is also ridiculous and can come across from a brain dead moron only. :p

    If GOD created us only for the purpose of praying to him and be thankful to him/her all the time then why leave this LOOPHOLE in his creation which is called “INTELLIGENCE OR RATIONAL THINKING” which makes us, the humans rationalise things before arriving at a decision. =/

    It is like you are building a house, leave building the roof top deliberately and then blaming and cursing the RAIN. 😡
    You make a car without an engine and then blaming the car for not starting up. :@

  393. Arya Anand says:

    As in many cases, Quran is self contradictory in the matter of intercession. In one verse it says that Allah will not accept intercession of any one while it mentions in another verse that no intercession will be accepted by Allah except from those who have got the permission.

  394. Sanada_10 says:

    Er, since she's brain dead, she wouldn't understand it, would she?

  395. Sanada_10 says:

    Well, a muslim will say that those spirits are satan working to deceive human (who's told them to do that anyway?). There is no limit to imagination, you know.

    This is not about justice in the first place, but ego satisfaction of a god.

  396. Sanada_10 says:

    Unfortunately, Allah knows nothing about this universe let alone human. Beside, allah is supposed to be making them all, he put that behavior in humans, he's deliberately hiding from humans and he orchestrated it all. In short, it was allah who made humans ungrateful (pretending that he is god). Your post sounds like you are limiting a god here, auntie. Well, allah is limited anyway.

    Ungrateful is human language, it is used because of need. Does god have need?

  397. Abdullah ihsan says:

    cont….

    Allah is right in describing humans as ungrateful. They are born weak depending totally on others (in this mostly referring to parents) but as they grow up, they started opposing God's being Most Gracious and Merciful and forget what and how they were at birth. 🙂

  398. Prithvi says:

    The very concept of Judgment day is ridiculous and has been invented to instil fear in humans so that they attach themselves more with the person who is championing the theory for saving themselves and in the end, end up as a brain dead toy in the hands of self proclaimed messenger.

    You are a brain dead moron and I know that, would I take the pain or be so ridiculous by asking this question to you?
    The answer is “NO”, I am not that stupid. Can GOD be so stupid?

  399. everin says:

    Bullshit again ! Many people had seen spirits of dead people in haunted houses and these entities are fully clothed. To wait for thousands of years for justice is JUSTICE DELAYED FOR SO LONG IS NO JUSTICE AT ALL.

  400. Sanada_10 says:

    Auntie, you are forgetting that human was born as a baby not grown up. This is totally different case. Beside, this is not inevitable event, but another BS which you have avoided all this long.

  401. Abdullah ihsan says:

    Some grown ups are laughing at the inevitable event in the hereafter in which they will be resurrected naked. Maybe they forgot they they were born that way incapable of doing nothing. 🙂

  402. Scrutator says:

    Thank you, monalisa and Arya Anand, for suggesting likely explanations muslims may come up with to my query. That just leaves one area of concern, Muhammad. Muslims have always claimed he was an ordinary human being, so his intercessions on behalf of his billions of true followers will surely take an inordinate length of time, unless his deity Allah decides to vest magical powers to him as well !

  403. Arya Anand says:

    Muslims can also argue that Allah will judge all humans at the same time not one by one because Allah is omnipotent and omniscient and so the judgment day will not last long and no one will have to wait for thousands of years for getting individual judgment.

    I have read in a Tafsir many years ago in a mosque that Allah will make all dwellers of paradise lose memories of their loved ones suffering punishment in hell. Muslims can find all ways possible to justify what Muhammad said and did.

  404. monalisa says:

    Ha..Ha……
    of course, the muslims will have the answers ready for you (as usual). They might tell you
    that Allah will not let them see the sex organs of each another. Like the story of Adam
    and Eve. They say when Adam and Eve were in Paradise the did not see the sex organs
    of each other.
    As for being tired from standing in line, they will tell you: In that day, Allah will grant the
    people with all the strength and patience.
    Of course I made this up. But I bet if you ask an expert devoted muslim, his answer will
    be similar. Try.

  405. Scrutator says:

    Dear Ali Sina,
    Please do not laugh ! One thing which has bothered me about the muslim Day of Resurrection is that it must take an awful long time, years and years, to judge the actions of each of the billions of former living beings, jinns, etc. And everyone will be standing stark naked all this time, waiting for their turn to come ! Then there will be the intercession of Muhammad, at least for all the believing muslims. Wouldn't the legs of all those standing begin to have an almighty ache ? And what'll happen if become ill, doze off to sleep or simply 'conk off' due to the boredom of having to stand for years on end ? Lastly, but no less important is the fact that resurrected naked males might get the 'hots' on looking at so many naked females amongst them !

    Can any believing muslim shed some light on the predicament outlined above ?

  406. Sanada_10 says:

    I think that's just Muhammad's dik, not insanity. Prophet of Islam means prophet of dik.

  407. C.Sugumar says:

    Few days back I had a chance to overheard the conversation between two muslims. I understand one is trying to marry a second wife.But the first wife and her brothers and male relatives are deadly against the idea.The first wife and her relatives had argued " Ekapathini Viratham " is correct justand good for all family .Muslims must emulate that virtues from our neighbours
    for that He retorted that there is no room for " Ekapathini viratham " in Islam. It is belief of the Hindu Kafirs and not applicable Muslim .

  408. Just Dan says:

    Thanks Prithvi.
    Sick huh?
    In Islam they divide humanity into classes.
    Among the muslims themselves, they divide themselves into subclasses.
    Islam is indeed Muhammad’s Madness.

  409. Prithvi says:

    Yes Dan!

    All of this hollow brotherhood in the name of a psychopath vanishes once you step on to the land of the Arabs or Saudi Arabia.
    They look down upon the Muslims of let us say India and even Pakistan and this is also done by the Muslims of UAE and Egypt.

    A rather unfortunate and different example are the Muslims who went to Pakistan from India after the partition of India, even they are looked down upon by the natives of Pakistan.

  410. Ali Sina says:

    Muhammad did not stumble on any spiritual power. That man was merely a mentally sick man.

  411. Just Dan says:

    ***QUESTION***
    I know that muslims are suppose to recite prayers in Arabic and also they claim that inhabitants of Firdaus (Paradise) all speak Arabic.
    Is it true that Arabic-tongued muslims (ie. The Saudis) are regarded more (in general) than say the Urdu-tongued muslims (ie. The Pakistanis)?

  412. C.Sugumar says:

    Swami Vivekananda has denouned Mohammed as an insane religious leader.He having stumpled on certain spiritual powers , did not know what they are. Under insanity and hallucinations he preached
    absurdities about Heaven/Hell/ Khabir and Muslims. His preachings are the – Jahat and the concept of
    Kafir- are the backbone of terrorism indulged in by Muslims. Quran categorically exhorts muslims to kill non-muslims.

  413. everin says:

    Very well said. Dai ! 72 where got enough for billions of them, who had died since the 7th century.

  414. C.Sugumar says:

    The islamci concept of Heaven is diabolic is Allah proprietor of a Prostitution Centre ? The idea that Allah would provide 72 girls and grant him 100 fold sexual power is hiehght of insanity.

  415. C.Sugumar says:

    Salvation and God according to Hinduism is not the monopoly of any Ism, personality,branch of church or any Book. Satyam -Truth , Thavam -religious austerity to make one more satvi or holy andGood deeds are what constitute religion. other paraphernalias are umimportant. Spirituality must be liberated from Mohammed, Jesus and churches. Branches of Science are not dependent on any person or Prophet. Men of science never strive to justity one"s teachings.They look into the concept and the proofs.If there is sufficient evidances we can prove Albert Einsterin wrong. If that happens nobody would curse me or issue fatwa to kill me.Only appreciations.Muslims are always trying to Justity the teachings of Koran and Xians trying to justity /protect the teachings of Bible. for both of them what is told in their Book is final and the world must belive it.Once great scientists believed that Atom is undivisible. Latter it was proved that Atom is dividable and the Atomic Science has beeb making tremendous progress.So nobody would catigate Dalton as a fool. Swami Vivekananda says Bible,Vedas, Quran are like Highway sign Boards.We should read and march ahead and work our own salvation.Myreligion is good and other religion is bad such arguments are highly idiotic.

  416. C.Sugumar says:

    Islamic concept of Heven/ Hell is absolutly nonsense. It is imagination of an chidish , insane and ignorant mind. Human society has been evolving genetically,socially,morally,culturally and linguistically for the post 20 thousand years or more. The concept of Judgement raises the following questions . 01. On what basis God would deliver Judgement ? 02.Let the answer for Question No.1 is Bible/Quran.03.Neither Bible nor Quran was not delivered to Human beings when Human was just appeared on the Earth, in the language well known to him.Thousands of Languages are in voge. There are languages without letters.Even today in some islands of Andaman people do not know dress.They are naked. They have been living and dying naked.How allah would judge him ? If Allah put him in Hell the Triabal man would Question him that he or his forefathers were not taught neither Quran or Bible or any spiritual Book. .Hinduism has the right answer for thaat. TheVedata philosophy explained by Swami vivekananda has answers for all these Questions.

  417. Can you please incorporate a lot more details in regards to this topic? Anyway your website is sensible. Best wishes.

  418. Sanada_10 says:

    Sina wrote, “Has anyone seen a widened and illumined grave?”

    Maybe you can ask Sohail here. He claimed to “know” more than you.

    Sina wrote, “Is the grave of Muhammad himself widened?”

    Apparently not, but Muhammad was not a believer in Islamic doctrine since muslims believe he had seen Jibril and Allah (while he ascended to 7th heaven). How about Abu Bakr, Aisha, or Umar’s grave?

  419. Sanada_10 says:

    Quick response for Sohail who were barely reading this article and was so quick to reach conclusion:

    1. Can you provide reference about the insufficiency of the faith?
    2. What is “good human being” in Islam?
    3. Can you refute this article in “scholarly” way rather than this?
    4. Your “without expecting anything in return” is irrelevant, in Islam there is a heavenly reward and that is the “carrot”. Surely “releaved” had meant this, not the human to human relationship.

    I don’t buy the sentence like, “I think” and since you claimed that Sina is not competent enough then you should have no problem refuting this article or other articles. Start with this one.

    Believing in Allah and Muhammad is considered a deed, the best one:

    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj−Mabrur. " (Bukhari 2:594)

    Apparently, the second best is jihad which contains a huge earthly reward (war booty and slaves).

  420. John K says:

    Sohail, I appreciate the goodness of your thoughts, but you make a serious mistake in calling the Quran "holy".

    If you read it in historical context, you will see that it is simply Muhammad using his puppet, Allah, as an excuse to justify his evil behavior such as murder, robbery, slavery, and lechery. The violence and hatred taught in the Quran identify it clearly as a work of evil, not holiness. Start at Ali Sina's "Understanding Muhammad" to learn more:
    http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/

  421. sohail butt says:

    Hello dear friend,

    I want to make you clear that it is not enough if you believe in allah paak(god almighty) to go to heaven but it is equally important for you to do be good human being, just like you– who helps others without expecting anything in return of the help you did to them.

    I suppose who posted this article is not a complete scholar of Islam, to post anything about Islam first and the most important thing is to be master in Quran Shareef (The holy book of Islam).

    Even after reading your few lines like this one "Human should behave well for the sake of humanity." I can assure you that you'll surely go to heaven.
    Take care.

  422. Talha says:

    Hi Saumya…Rabindra Nath Tagore said that in Gitanjali

  423. Arya Anand says:

    Doing our duty irrespective of reward as taught in Bhagavat Geeta makes some sense. It is like loving others just for love and nothing else and paradise or hell dose not matter here.

  424. soumyasaxenaa says:

    I could never understand the logic of Sawab … Why shld I do good with the benefit of some selfish interest or making God happy….. why can't i just do it coz its about humanity ….
    secondly, taking Allah's name everytime … how would it help …. why he wants to be praised all the time …. ?
    An Indian poet wrote a poem saying that your duties in your life are worship …. god is not in temple or mosque … it is with the farmer who is working in the field ….

  425. soumyasaxenaa says:

    my reply to a bugger at Zakir Naik's community who said all non muslims definitely go to hell

    "as far as going to Heaven or Hell is concerned, we have our own concept of Heaven, we shall go there and you know what, you are most welcome for we are always open to guests…we treat them well. unlike, we do not have a 'only for Muslims' sign. : ) so do visit."

  426. Ali Sina says:

    Your answer to the question you raised is the same as mine. Doing good deed is the reward in itself. If you show love and affection to your cat you don’t expect a reward, the very act of showing affection is the reward you get.
    If you have a child who does not understand the importance of learning you may bribe him with a treat if he studies, but when the child grows up he does not need any reward for studying. He will seek knowledge constantly because learning is the reward in itself.
    There are psychological studies that show toddlers who have not developed language yet, understand fairness, meanness, kindness, cruelty, etc, and have a defined sense of justice. We humans are born as moral creatures. Often our morality is impaired, either thanks abusive upbringing or to evil indoctrination.
    The concept of doing good, for Muslims is not really doing good but following what Muhammad said, which sometimes can be very evil.

  427. releaved says:

    So, what will happen with me after I die and is there any doomday? I had been taught for the biggest part of my life that life is a 'school' where I should behave well in islamic context and in the end there is a 'school leaving exam' determining whether I will be accepted in the prestigious paradise or dumped and suffered in hell. Many moslem do good and avoid evil acts in order to get the ticket to paradise. If there is no such paradise and hell, what reasons for us to behave well? Indeed, it is a stupid question. Human should behave well for the sake of humanity. I help others because that s what my soul asks me to do. I do not expect any external reward just like a kid helping her aunty expecting a candy. I stop thinking about doing good for an external reward.

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