Seven Layers of Heaven

Harun Yahya, had published the following article on his site.  After I clarified his error, he removed it.  However, there are still other Islamic sites that show this article.

The Layers of the Atmosphere

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur’an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

“It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things.”
(The Qur’an, 2:29)

“Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.”
(The Qur’an, 41:12)

The word “heavens”, which appears in many verses in the Qur’an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth’s sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

earth's atmospherThe Earth has all the attributes that are needed for life. One of them is the atmosphere, which serves as a shield protecting living things. Today, it is an established fact that the atmosphere is made up of different layers lying on top of one another. Just as it is described in the Qur’an, the atmosphere is made up of exactly seven layers. This is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur’an.

Indeed, today it is known that the world’s atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other. Furthermore, it consists, just as is described in the Qur’an, of exactly seven layers. In a scientific source, the subject is described as follows:

Layers of atmospher 14 centuries ago, when the sky was believed to be one unified body, the Qur’an  miraculously  stated  that it consisted of layers, and what is more, “seven” layers. Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of “seven” basic layers only very recently.

 

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The Truth About 7 Layers of Heaven

The pre Copernican concept of the universe was geocentric, i.e. they thought that the Earth was flat and was located at the center of the universe. They believed that the Sun and the Moon along with Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury that made the seven known objects of the heaven were deities. These were the only objects people could observe with their naked eyes moving in the sky while the stars appeared to be fix.

layers of heaven

They believed that these planets or “gods” each had its own sphere. These layers are not the same as the orbits that we know. The planets did not orbit the Sun but they all revolved around the flat Earth in this order:

Moon
Mercury

Venus
Sun
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn

The closest to the Earth was the Moon and the farthest, was  the Saturn. Therefore the concept of the 7 layers of heaven is based on ancient astronomy, where each celestial body occupied a crystal sphere one placed on top of the other like layers of an onion. .

Both Judaism and Christianity make reference to these layers of heaven. For example Dante in his Divina Comedia refers to it and Paul the apostle, in 2 Corinthians 12:2 says: “I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know–God knows.”

The heaven was the physical world above. The concept of a spiritual heaven is a new concept. In the mind of the ancient man the distinction between physical heaven (sky) and spiritual heaven was fuzzy. For example “cielo” in Spanish still means both sky and heaven.

Not only the Heaven had seven layers, the Earth also had seven layers and it represented the underworld or the Hell. Dante, for example on visiting the lowest level of Hell meets two men with their bodies split and he learns that they were Muhammad and Ali. He describes his encounter with these two wretched men graphically:

“Truly cask, by losing mid-board or cross-piece, is not so split open as one I saw cleft from the chin to where the wind is broken: between his legs were hanging his entrails, his inner parts were visible, and the dismal sack that makes ordure of what is swallowed. Whilst all on seeing him I fix myself, he looked at me, and with his hands opened his breast, saying, “Now see how I rend myself, see how mangled is Mahomet. Ali goeth before me weeping, cleft in the face from chin to forelock; and all the others whom thou seest here were, when living, sowers of scandal and of schism, and therefore are they so cleft.”

The number seven was so engrained in the mind of the ancient man that you can find it everywhere.

Seven planets or gods had been identified and the phases of the moon changed every seven days. The Bible states that God rested on the seventh day after he completed his Creation. And every seventh year was sabbatical and that the seven times seventh year ushered in the Jubilee year.

The Pagans divided their weeks in seven days each day representing a deity.

  1. Saturday which was the first day of the week (as it still is in Islamic countries) was dedicated to Saturn (Dies Saturni),
  2. Sunday to Sun (Dies Solis),
  3. Monday to Moon (Dies Lunae),
  4. Tuesday to Mars (Dies Martis),
  5. Wednesday to Mercury (Dies Mercurii),
  6. Thursday to Jupiter (Dies Jovis), and
  7. Friday to Venus (Dies Veneris). [1]

Out of this order come the familiar seven Archangels which include Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Raguel, Sariel, and the fallen Lucifer.

The pagan concept of the seven layer of Heaven crept into Judaism and the number seven can be found in Judaism more than anywhere else. Why? Because Midrash teaches, there are seven layers of Heaven, obviously an influence of Paganism in Judaism.

“When Adam sinned, the Shechinah departed to the First Heaven. The sin of Kayin forced it to the Second Heaven; the Generation of Enosh to the Third; the generation of the Flood to the Fourth; The generation of the Dispersion to the Fifth; Sodomites, to the Sixth; Egypt of Avraham’s day, to the Seventh … (Bereishis Rabbah 19:7)” [2]

According to Judaic scriptures, creation took 7 days; Naaman had to wash 7 times in the Jordan to be cleansed from leprosy; the Israelites had to march around Jericho 7 days and 7 times on the 7th day; they had to set aside one day in 7 for rest and worship. There was a 7-armed lampstand in the temple, etc. In the last book, Revelation, we find mentioned 7 spirits, 7 lampstands, 7 churches, 7 stars, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 vials, 7 thunders, 7 plagues, 7 mountains and 7 kings. The tribulation period is to be 7 years being the last “week of years” of Daniel’s 70 weeks (Dan 9:24 ff).[3]

Muhammad did not invent the concept of the seven layers of Heaven. He merely parroted it  without understanding the Pagan origin of this idea. He wrote:

“So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars… “(Fussilat 41: 12)

This verse has nothing to do with layers of the atmospheres as claimed by the charlatan Harun Yahya. It has to do with the geocentric concept of the universe that was prevalent at the time of Muhammad. Note also that according to Muhammad, stars are lamps that are affixed to the ceiling of the lower layer of the Heaven for adornment purposes. The lower level is the sphere of the Moon. Obviously stars are not in the same layer where Moon is and neither the Moon nor the stars are in the lower atmosphere of the Earth.

In fact the concept of the layers of heaven as mentioned in the Quran is so unrelated to the layers of the atmosphere that the Islamic site www.understanding-islam.com tries to give a completely mystical significance to that verse and claims that it talks about the “spiritual heavens” which the soul will encounter after the death. [4]

“The reference to the fact that God has created seven heavens has generally been given in the Qur’an, in reply to the skepticism shown by the disbelievers regarding the possibility of life after death. … it refers to the vastness of His creation. It says that God has not just created one sky — i.e., one universe, but seven such skies — or seven universes.

It seems that the huge universe that we live in, the one whose boundaries are not yet known to man, is just one of these heavens (universes) there are seven others, of which we — with all our scientific developments — do not know anything about. Certain verses of the Qur’an clearly indicate that the whole huge mass of space around us is just one of these universes…”

The Islamic site www.pakistanlink.com quotes Maududi, the renowned Muslim scholar and the interpreter of the Quran  who says:

“It is difficult to explain precisely what is meant by the ‘seven heavens’. In all ages man has tried, with the help of observation and speculation to conceptualize the ‘heavens’, i.e. that which lies beyond and above the earth. As we know the concepts that have thus developed have constantly changed. Hence it would be improper to tie the meaning of these words of the Qur’an to any one of these numerous concepts. What might be broadly inferred from this statement is that either Allah has divided the universe beyond earth into seven distinct spheres, or that this earth is located in that part of the universe which consists of seven different spheres.” [5]

Maududi is basically telling us the clear Quran is not that clear after all. From the Ahadith (especially the Hadith of Mi’raj) we learn that the first heaven is the one that is closest to the earth. So the order begins from the earth and the highest heaven is the seventh heaven [6].

As one can see the real scholars of Islam are unable to explain the meaning of the seven heavens mentioned in the Quran and try to give esoteric significance to it. If we had to believe that the seven heavens is an allusion to the seven layers of the atmosphere then we have to assume that stars must be no more than eleven kilometers above the Earth, because as the verse 41:12 says the lower heaven is adorned with brilliant stars. The Troposphere ends at about eleven kilometers above the surface of the Earth.

Not only Muhammad, like other men of his time, believed that the sky had seven layers, he also thought that the Earth was made of seven layers too.

“Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number…” ]

In this verse the number of the earths is not in question. It assumes that everyone agrees that there are seven earths. The emphasis is on the claim that Allah is the creator of these seven earths. The reason is because just like the seven heavens, the ancient people had agreed that there are also seven layers of earth. Muhammad was simply stating what seemed to be obvious to the people of his time, but of course he was dead wrong according to the modern science.

What are these seven earths that Muhammad was talking about? If there were seven continents on Earth, Muslim apologists would not have hesitated to claim this verse is a miracle. But we do not have seven continents. Muhammad is talking about the seven LAYERS of Earth. He is talking about the same layers that were described by Dante in his Inferno. Several hadith make this clear.

Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever usurps the land of somebody unjustly, his neck will be encircled with it down the seven earths (on the Day of Resurrection). ” [7]

Down the seventh earth is allusion to the bottom of the Hell, where Dante found Muhammad and Ali with their bodies torn asunder. It is interesting to note that both Muhammad and Ali raided and killed innocent people, or exiled them and usurped their lands unjustly. Fadak was a beautiful village with many gardens that Muhammad usurped from the Jews of Khaibar after annihilating them and gave it to his daughter Fatima the wife of Ali. I am surprised Dante did not see Fadak around the neck of Muhammad and Ali when he saw them in Hell. Isn’t this another proof that even their description of Hell was wrong?

The detailed description of these seven earths is given by Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah al-Kisa’i:

“… There are seven earths. The first is called Ramaka, beneath which is the  Barren Wind, which can be bridled by no fewer than seventy thousand angels. With this wind God destroyed the people of Ad. The inhabitants of Ramaka are a nation called Muwashshim, upon whom is everlasting torment and divine retribution. The second earth is called Khalada, wherein are the implements of torture for the inhabitants of Hell. There dwells a nation called Tamis, whose food is their own flesh and whose drink is their own blood. The third earth is called Arqa, wherein dwell mulelike eagles with spearlike tails. On each tail are three hundred and sixty poisonous quills. Were even one quill placed on the face of the earth, the entire universe would pass away. The inhabitants thereof are a nation called Qays, who eat dirt and drink mothers’ milk. The fourth earth is called Haraba, wherein dwell the snakes of Hell, which are as large as mountains. Each snake has fangs like tall palm trees, and if they were to strike the hugest mountain with their fangs it would be leveled to the ground. The inhabitants of this earth are a nation called Jilla, and they have no eyes, hands or feet but have wings like bats and die only of old age. The fifth earth is called Maltham, wherein stones of sulphur hang around the necks of infidels. When the fire is kindled the fuel is placed on their breasts, and the flames leap up onto their faces, as He hath said: The fire whose fuel is men and stones (2:24), and Fire shall cover their faces (14:50). The inhabitants are a nation called Hajla, who are numerous and who eat each other. The sixth earth is called Sijjin. Here are the registers of the people of Hell, and their works are vile, as He hath said: Verily the register of the actions of the wicked is surely Sijjin (83:7). Herein dwells a nation called Qatat, who are shaped like birds and worship God truly. The seventh earth is called Ajiba and is the habitation of Iblis. There dwells a nation called Khasum, who are BLACK and short, with claws like lions. It is they who will be given dominion over Gog and Magog, who will be destroyed by them…  [8]

It is not hard to see these tales are nonsense. These are fairy tales that even children today would laugh at.

As it has been proven time and again, the Quran is wrong on almost all its assertions. One error is enough to prove Muhammad was not a messenger of God but a liar. We have shown that there are hundreds of errors in the Quran. Yet Muslims desperately keep looking for “miracles” to fool themselves and find validation for their  belief.


1- [To understand why this order was chosen see this link: http://www.12x30.net/origin.html]

2-  http://www.neveh.org/winston/parsha63/nitzvylc.html

3-  http://www.answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/number19.html

4- http://www.understanding-islam.com/rq/q-014.htm

5 –  (Towards Understanding the Qur’an, translated by Zafar Ishaq Ansari, vol. 1, p.58 note no. 34.) From the Ahadith (especially the Hadith of Mi’raj)http://www.pakistanlink.com/religion/2000/03-31.html

6- Ibid

7-   and ]

8- (Tales of the Prophets-Qisas al-anbiya, trans. Wheeler M. Thackston Jr. [Great Books of the Islamic World, Inc., Distributed by Kazi Publications; Chicago, IL 1997], pp. 8-9)” taken from:  http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/seven_earths.html

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152 Responses

  1. narcole1919721 says:

    Omg i cant believe ur mind. one darajat of one layer of heaven is farther than distance of universe. omg omg, read more okay…:'/ mr ali i feel so sorry…who taught you these all? i wont blame you….i wanna visit ur teachers and educate them more…

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Btw you misinterpreted fushilat samawat term with heaven doors term and layers of earths sky. there are 8 heavens but the layers of samawat are 7. and as samawat here doesnt mean the number of heavens nor the layers of earth sky. its bigger than universe or even multiverse. if to you universe is big enough, know that there are many universes bigger than this universe, and one darajat from one layer of as samawat is even bigger than these.

  2. TRUTH says:

    Dear author,

    i would like to shed light into the mystery which everyone seems soo interested about in Islam. nobody knows the real truth as it is meant to be hidden in order to control the population & to deceive the servant humans. who i am? i can just say i am not from the "servant humans population". sooner or later this truth will be said by the truth/awareness prophet who will come down in the coming years to shed light on all religions. for now, i will give you truth of the Islamic quote "Allah lives in 7th Sky". well, the truth is that the 7th sky is nothing but 7th planet after earth. counting from mars to Pluto we get 6 planets, so the 7th planet is nothing else but NIBIRU.

    Thankyou

  3. lol says:

    lol that was hilarious dude, do you know where are the space borders located ?, or where does the space ends ? after how many heavens ? or how many layers of sky does it take to reach the end of space ? no, no one does, even NASA doesn't. then shut the fuck up, thanks.
    and btw, seven heavens here mean seven layers of sky, not seven heavenly bodies.

  4. cav says:

    you mean islam is holding on bcos of a coincidence and if the atmosphere had 4 layers then islam would not exist? …..well thats a close call, think about why you cannot defeat islam some more

  5. cav says:

    so the atmosphere having 7 layers is pure coincidence, well isnt that lucky

  6. JSOP says:

    ''Not even taken into context ''

    to correct myself

    -JSOP

  7. Dr.Anbu Hinduvasan says:

    According to Swami Vivekananda Mohammed is a pagan completely untrained.He stumpled on certain
    Spiritual Experience which he never knew what they were.He is insane to a great extent. His ascension to Heaven is nothing But a imagination /illusion of a insane mind.Mohammedand his teachingare invalid.Quran and Hadith should be banned. Mohammed divide the world into two 1. Muslims -mere label would do 2.Non-muslims .He urges muslims to declare war until Non-muslims are get rid of the
    world. Quaran and Mohammed is the Backbone of Islamic terrorism.

    • Hassan says:

      really?,well visit my site Islam110.tk,and come to know the truth,and yeah what about ur so-called swami,what is he?

    • John K says:

      If you think you know something bring it here. People here aren't so easily fooled as the victims you brainwash on your site.

    • Hassan says:

      don't be scared,because we must elaborate and define properly ur "WELL ORGANISED PLAN"
      and yes!,Allah will forgive you for any sin,just confess.

    • John K says:

      Don't worry. There is no Allah, so I don't need his forgiveness. On the other hand, you might find yourself burning in hell for defending his evil ways.

    • Hassan says:

      How much we can understand you,I don't think Satan has shown u this part,ur selves u have become satan,I am not offending anyone,just one mistake,and I leave Islam,FOREVER,but you can play with anyone,u can fool any one,but not Allah,do you know Jesus use to call God Elia,which come's from the same root as Allah?,go get educated please

    • Sanada_10 says:

      How can human become satan? ;)

      Source please. o.0

    • Hassan says:

      did i say u became satan physically?,and remember satan is a weak creature,Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified ?,let's see…

      Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus Christ before the elders of the people and the chief priests came to take him to be crucified. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26:38 "Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me." Then Jesus went a little further away from them and prayed to God as in Matthew 26:39 "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

      It is very clear from the above verse in Matthew 26:39 that Jesus had no intention of dying. In this verse it is shown that Jesus was praying strongly (Matthew mentions Jesus repeating this prayer three times) to have this death removed from him. Had Jesus Christ been sent to be crucified, he would not have hesitated to be killed at all.

      When I raise this point in front of my Christian's, they tell me that this hesitation came from the flesh side of him (in other words he was tempted), and that his soul which is godly did not have this hesitation at all. When we look at Matthew 26:38 we see that Jesus was contradicting this idea by saying, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." (Matthew 26:38). He himself said that it’s really his soul that was hesitating and not his body. These were Jesus’ own words.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Nope, you did say that human becomes satan and that’s impossible either physically and metaphorically. They are different species.

      You just said that satan is weak but how do you prove it? Human is not weak and that’s itself is already in contradiction with your comment. If we take anything you write without proof then what kind of discussion will you expect?

      You got a wrong target because you replied to me and I don’t believe in Christianity. Before you talked about something just makes sure you know whom you are talking to.

      Jesus as a historical person is hardly proven and this matter itself is attacking both Christianity and Islam. There are many interpretation regarding “Jesus’ words of pleading” and you should go with what the Christian belief first. As for me, I only wonder as to why Allah had made Jesus like that. I got 4 comparative points for you to deal with.

      1. Magical Jesus.
      2. Virgin birth
      3. No physical death
      4. No sin.

      If he had no intention of dying then he should:

      1. Make an army
      2. Buy weapons
      3. Running away or should I say, migrating.

    • Hassan says:

      After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by God according to Hebrews 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared." These words clearly show when Jesus was praying strongly to God, God granted him his request. The words "heard in that he feared" (Hebrews 5:7) mean that God granted him what he requested. So the above verse shows when Jesus asked of God to "let this cup pass from" (Matthew 26:39) him, God responded to his prayer and saved him from death or crucifixion.

    • John K says:

      Then why didn't Allah do anything to save Muhammad?

      [youtube 6st_tFj6ouM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM youtube]

    • Sanada_10 says:

      8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
      9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

      The next verses are actually saying differently and of course Christian can interpret it as "resurrection" as this was in Paul's time anyway. He was saved from dead by being alive again, wasn't he?

      The cup pass away means that he didn't want to suffer at first. He should run like Muhammad if he really didn't want it.

      Why call it "cup"?

    • Mohammad R.N.H. says:

      SHAITAN refers to the personality, the one that disobedient to Allah and the one promote human bad deeds, they can be from Djiinns or Humans….

      Iblis refers to the cursed, damned creation of Allah that disobedient first among other and move djinns and humans away from the straight path.., his death delayed until the QIYAMAH.

    • John K says:

      It will be a long time before you achieve the educational level of either myself or Dr. Sina. But it is not too late for you to try to catch up. You can start by reading the articles on this site and Dr. Sina's book.

    • Hassan says:

      so tell your So-called DR. to have a debate with me.

    • John K says:

      He is waiting for you. Obviously you don't read. Terms and conditions for a debate are here:
      http://alisina.org/about/

      http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Will be ignored if there is no new "refutation". ;)

    • John K says:

      Actually, Dr. Sina will talk to anyone, but they have to read his book first, and they have to pass a quiz to prove they have read it.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      How many muslims actually read that book? If they read it they could bring something new. ;)

    • John K says:

      Right. It's quite rare that we get Muslims who have read any books at all. It seems that the ones who really want to learn skip the comment sections and email Ali directly. Of the ones who comment, it is rare that we get one that can actually discuss Quran and Sunna. Mostly what we get here are insults, name-calling, and regurgitation of what they learned from their mothers or imams.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      He doesn't debate nobody coz he had too many in the past. ;)

    • Hassan says:

      you say that we are not educated,do you know the speed of light originated from Qur'an?,it's time for you to GET EDUCATED AND GROW UP.

    • John K says:

      Obviously your education is at a very infantile level. In science, it would appear that you haven't started kindergarten yet. Did you get your "education" in a maddrasa?

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Refuted in related article. ;)

      Do you know science in other religions? ;)

      I have a challenge if you want. :D

    • JSOP says:

      I constantly see these comments, arrogant and ego of followers on this site how can one claim to say they know more and say this comment when they are shown the quotes you are saying are not even the entire quote in English and many do not know Arabic and quote from a Quran who is openly Bias and has a Religious and political axe to grind.

      There is nothing DR about Ali Sina as you need to know what they are talking about and not only is he/she missing knowledge about Islam but he/she also lacks knowledge in psychology

      Pretenders nothing more

      -JSOP

    • John K says:

      Uneducated barbarians bashing at the gates of civilization, and nothing more.

    • Hassan says:

      Mr. John really u think we are whatever u said,well i didnt know how murderers are u guys,

    • John K says:

      Yes, we know. Islam is the religion of divinely sanctioned murder. You will burn in hell for supporting it.

    • John K says:

      Right. Just giving the Muslim point of view. :D

    • JSOP says:

      Doesn't the US Army (what you claim to be in) not allow this hatred for others and paranoia as it is a risk to innocent Muslims in Countries and Muslims in the US Army

      What would your fellow Muslim Army men think of you making these hate filled claims about there faith and justifying hurting of innocent lives

      This is the same extremist acts you are so called fighting to rid

      You call your self a Christian? What a joke

      This Hatred is not justified by being a Christian, in the Army and a US Citizen as your comments bring them all to shame

      -JSOP

    • Comment says:

      ,wait man i think there is no hell and no heaven,just live your life,and Hassan,u can support your religion.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Hasty generalization fallacy. ;)

    • JSOP says:

      Claiming brainwashing yet all of your ''truth '' is based on half sentences and not even taken out of context about what it means stating wild theory's about Muslims are secretly trying to take over

      Spreading lies about Muslims and creating hatred against Muslims

      Causing None Muslims who do not know what Islam is and only see what the 1% of extremist do
      to fear them

      Warranting violence and abuse

      Constant plugs to read your book

      Constant put downs and threats against Muslims and others who do not agree with what your site says

      Claims of knowing what the Quran means without even knowing the basics of Islam History and Culture and Arabic ect

      Before you claim one as a cult look at your sites behaviour

      -JSOP

    • John K says:

      If you read the book, you might get a proper education. For example, Dr. Sina uses a real professional definition of a cult, which I am sure is beyond your educational level, and you have never been exposed to anything professional like this before. It would also appear that you are intellectually lazy because in spite of having been given the link several times, you have not bothered to read it. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when all you do is make ignorant rants. Before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself publicly, LEARN.

      Muhammad: A Cult Leader
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/cultist.htm

  8. lord jesus says:

    panellgt@embarqmail.com
    prey to lordd jesus

    • John K says:

      Allah = Muhammad = dead

    • Hassan says:

      who said Mohammad=Dead?

      Allah=Muhammad=Ali=Hassan= Hussain =Zain Ul Abidien=Muhammad Al Baqir=Jaffer As-Sadiq=Musa-e-Kazim=Ali-e-Reza=Ali Un Naqi=Muhammad At-taqi=Hassan-Al- Askari=Sahib-uz-Zamaan,Al Mehdi ,who said Muhammad's dead,when prophet himself said they are from me,they are part of my body.

    • John K says:

      Give it up Hassan. You are going to end up in the mental hospital if you continue with this insanity.

    • Hassan says:

      Mr.John please don't tell me you problem {i.e mental},I think u love Ali Sina?,Ali Sina is proved wrong?,why should I give up when Islam is true,if you think your so called SINA can debate with me,well no problem,I think you should give up your and Sina's insanity,u might fool a guy from street,but not me,cause I truly understand Islam,and why don't you accept my challenge,go and find even one mistake in the Qur'an,and I will leave Islam.

    • John K says:

      If you think you can prove Dr. Sina is wrong, you can win $50,000. He also said he would shut down these sites and announce that Islam is true if you can prove him wrong. The procedure can be found on these two pages:
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

      http://alisina.org/about/

    • JSOP says:

      I find this hard to believe he/she would do this as many have proven Ali Sina wrong and alas the site is still here

      Also went over who judges this ''debate'' when the person judging is openly bias against Islam and the ''evidence'' is based on a half quote from a flawed bias Quran

      -JSOP

    • Ali Sina says:

      No one has proven me wrong. Don\’t confuse your wishful thinking with facts. There are a miriad of articles written against me and my writings and none proves me wrong. In fact they all prove the bankrupsy of Islamic thinking and validate what I say against Islam.

    • Hassan says:

      lol,Sina,don't be so stubborn,you are strictly proven wrong, and if you don't believe so you can also have debate with me{if your not scared}

    • John K says:

      Actually you should be scared.

      1) Scared that if you don't leave Islam, you will burn in hell.

      2) Know that if you read Dr. Sina's book, you WILL leave Islam. No one has been able to see the facts and remain a Muslim. You need to prepare yourself for the psychological shock and be aware of the emotional stages you will pass through as you make the adjustment. But don't worry. We care about you and Dr. Sina will help you get through it. So in the end, there's really nothing to fear, but your fear itself.

    • JSOP says:

      John Said: ''Actually you should be scared. Scared that if you don't leave Islam, you will burn in hell. ''
      Playing God yet again ? Didn't the other Christian say that you would go to hell for being a Mormon what if everyone took that as fact with out even knowing the teaching (What those on here are doing to Islam)

      God Judges mankind not you so give it a rest saying Muslims are going to Hell if they are Muslims

      '' Know that if you read Dr. Sina's book, you WILL leave Islam. No one has been able to see the facts and remain a Muslim.''

      Many are still Muslims sorry to burst all of your bubbles and many have proved his ''truth'' book false

      Yet again a read Ali Sina's book plug

      ''You need to prepare yourself for the psychological shock and be aware of the emotional stages you will pass through as you make the adjustment. ''

      Don't you need to be trained in Psychology before claiming to know it ?

      '''But don't worry. We care about you and Dr. Sina will help you get through it. So in the end, there's really nothing to fear, but your fear itself.''

      This comment is a bit of a joke the way you all treat Muslims and the acts you justify against them You are all not a friend of the Muslims and anyone who doesn't agree with your hate

      Posters on this site show this

      All you are doing is Drumming the drums of war

      -JSOP

    • Hassan says:

      All your so called claim's have proven wrong,most of them are available online,and most by me,just simple say{LIKE A COWARD}that you wont remove this site.

    • JSOP says:

      There are many who have proven him wrong.
      Muslims, Most Christian and Jewish, other religions/none religions and human rights groups do not agree with what he is saying about Islam

      -JSOP

    • John K says:

      Argumentum ad populum again?

      When are you going to take a course in logic?

      Before you speak, learn.

    • JSOP says:

      Claim logic yet write and speak none

      -JSOP

    • John K says:

      I see more Muslim Logic going on here. Read this to see how Islam has warped your brain:

      Logic

      The Koran advances a logical system. Truth is determined by revelation. No fact or argument may refute the Koran. Logical persuasion is based upon repetition and continued assertion. Another part of the persuasion is personal attacks against those who resist Islam. The Koran advances its argument through threats against specific people and groups. If persuasion fails, then force may be used to settle the logical or political argument.

      Another aspect of Koranic logic is the use of name-calling and personal insults to advance the truth. The Koran, with its poetical language and repeated threats and physical violence, bases its logic on emotions. Although its intellectual truth can be contradictory, the contradictions do not need to be resolved. Understanding apparent contradictions is a key to understanding Islamic logic. In unitary logic, a contradiction shows the theory or argument to be false. But in the Koran, a contradiction does not prove an argument to be false. What appears to be logical contradictions are statements of duality that offer two true choices, depending upon the circumstances. This is dualistic logic.

      How do we know the Koran is true? Because it contains the words of Allah. How do we know that these are the words of Allah? Mohammed said they were Allah's words. How do we know that Mohammed is Allah's messenger? Mohammed reported that Allah said that Mohammed is His messenger. – CSPI
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/

    • Hassan says:

      What?what did you say?,I thought the Killing's were done by U.S army, aren't they suppose to be Christian's?,that show's how you kill us[Muslim] and blame our selves ,is this the Justice?

    • enlightened25 says:

      The suicide bombings in Iraq today was that done by the U.S army?

    • Hassan says:

      today whatever is happening in Iraq,and other countries,where US have entered they have destroyed,why don't you listen to new's?,why the US army has gone to Iraq,they fought un armed man,then why do you tell my Prophet fought un armed man?,when ur army has done it,and as far as prophet is,he didn't fight un,armed man,

    • enlightened25 says:

      US has destroyed Iraq really? What Unarmed men? Your brothers carring out so called Glorious martyrdom Operations, and the Beheadings and attacks on shia muslims, christians and Iraqi kurds. I don`t think these people are "unarmed men" by any standard. The muslims come out with a Exaggerated figure of 1 million iraqis dead the highest Estimate i saw was 150 thousand. 80% of them were Iraqi Civilians but the vast majority of them was killed not by U.S troops but by your "muslim brothers".

    • Hassan says:

      you have seen what they make you see,and by the way,I am a shia muslim,in this time people can buy people for bombing and firing's,cant america buy?,do you think america is god?,while Jimmy carter said himself GOD IS WITH IRAN, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxi5kxzx3V0
      this is how you treat human's?is this what Justice is?,you know people have always tried to dominate Isalm,because it was a religion of truth,you have got the wrong picture of Islam,Allah will do justice,inshallah.

    • John K says:

      Who cares about Jimmy Carter.

    • Hassan says:

      That's you guy's problem,when some one "BY MISTAKE" speak's the truth,he become stupid?,why don't you directly debate?

    • enlightened25 says:

      "in this time people can buy people for bombing and firing's,cant america buy?" If that was the case then what would be the point of having troops on the ground? This is absurd codawallob don`t you think if america could just hire thousands of terrorists to destabilise a country it would be doing it in the whole world? So for instance where are the daily bombings in Iran? Where are the US hired terrorists? Futhermore these people are al qaeda why if they big friends of US, why the US removed them from power in Afghanistan? No God is not with Iran if he was they Wouldn’t want a nuclear weapon which they can use to bully and terrorise their Arab and sunni Neighbours and cause havoc in the region. Don`t talk about human rights abuses by the Coalition forces in Iraq when you support a thug regime like that of the "islamic Republic" of Iran.

    • Hassan says:

      do u think america does justicE?with people,remember the Muslim jail?they use to brutally beat them inside and keep them naked,u didn't know yes,who created Al-qaeda?,taliban?but talking to u people is like talking to a wall,ur americans are protesting for their right's,they have used trillions of money,to kill innocent in Iraq,why are the killing in Iraq?

    • John K says:

      You are ignoring the factual data I gave you. That means you are following the pattern of Quranic logic:

      Logic

      The Koran advances a logical system. Truth is determined by revelation. No fact or argument may refute the Koran. Logical persuasion is based upon repetition and continued assertion. Another part of the persuasion is personal attacks against those who resist Islam. The Koran advances its argument through threats against specific people and groups. If persuasion fails, then force may be used to settle the logical or political argument.

      Another aspect of Koranic logic is the use of name-calling and personal insults to advance the truth. The Koran, with its poetical language and repeated threats and physical violence, bases its logic on emotions. Although its intellectual truth can be contradictory, the contradictions do not need to be resolved. Understanding apparent contradictions is a key to understanding Islamic logic. In unitary logic, a contradiction shows the theory or argument to be false. But in the Koran, a contradiction does not prove an argument to be false. What appears to be logical contradictions are statements of duality that offer two true choices, depending upon the circumstances. This is dualistic logic.

      How do we know the Koran is true? Because it contains the words of Allah. How do we know that these are the words of Allah? Mohammed said they were Allah's words. How do we know that Mohammed is Allah's messenger? Mohammed reported that Allah said that Mohammed is His messenger. – CSPI
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/

    • Hassan says:

      and How did Prophet Muhammad report?,cause people saw miracles,the astrologer at that time when they saw Prophet Muhammad,they said ,this is not an normal human,he is is a messenger,John and Sina do not fool ur selves,get educated.

    • John K says:

      When you have achieved my educational level, we can talk. Until then, we are waiting to help your ignorance.

    • JSOP says:

      Anyone can say they are anything on the internet you claim to know Islam yet your posts do not show it

      Learn before claiming to have knowledge

      -JSOP

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Including you, silly. ;)

    • Hassan says:

      If you think you know something bring it here. People here aren't so easily fooled as the victims you brainwash on your site.
      YOUR STATEMENT.what do u mean by BRAINWASHING,people cant think?whats right and whats wrong,huh?,

    • enlightened25 says:

      If American troops have commited any crimes against iraqi civilians then sure those people should face justice and i do not think US is God, the US has installed,supported and turned a blind eye to the crimes of various dictatorships, no is condoning that and i think the criminals of various US administration should be brought to justice. If however you are talking about torture of convicted mass murderers i could care not less about those scumbags nor do i care how bad they are tortured, let alone tax payers money going to fund their "human rights lawyers". No US did not create Al-qaeda, islam created Al-qaeda they do not fight for US but for allah, as that is their goal for the whole world to be under the sharia. Why america would create Al-qaeda? If it did Bin laden would not declare war on US, why Al-qaeda would fight against their masters?

    • John K says:

      Another uneducated statement. You should learn how to get information before you commit your identity to a false cause.

      Who Died In Iraq

      August 30, 2010: With only 50,000 American troops left in Iraq, and none of them committed to full time combat operations, one can get a sense of what the human cost of the seven year war was. Foreign forces lost 4,735 troops (93 percent American). Iraqi security forces lost about 6,000 police and soldiers. About 100,000 Iraqi civilians died, but over a third of these were members of terrorist groups (mostly Sunni, including al Qaeda). Another ten percent were members of various anti-terrorist militias. The U.S. tried to identify as many dead enemy fighters as it could, but those numbers are currently classified. Based on information that did leak out, it's clear that the terrorist groups lost over 30,000 people. Most of the civilians were killed by terrorists, most of the terrorist deaths were caused by American troops.
      http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/20100830.a

      So as you can see, Muslims killed the civilians and Americans killed the bad guys. America's time in Iraq was a brief shining moment of civilization for the Iraqi people, but now that we are gone, it is already degenerating back into Islamic savagery.

    • Hassan says:

      america killed the bad guys,Mr John times change we can see the face of the true DECEIVER ,what about the NATO strike's?,but u wont understand,cause u know only to mock,right?,mock as much as u can,ur not harming anyone just ur self.

    • John K says:

      You are only harming yourself because you live in a fantasy world instead of a fact-based reality.

    • Hassan says:

      oh really?,I am harming my self?how?cause I am following the truth? actually your harming your self,not me,and by the way I don't have time for people like U ans Sina,bring up a challenge.

    • John K says:

      You are harming yourself because you are on the wrong side. And why? Because of an accident of where you were born? Because of the accident that you were not born in a culture where you could obtain a good education? There's nothing you can do about that, but what you can do something about is your stubborn closed mind and your unwillingness to accept the facts that prove you wrong.

    • JSOP says:

      John Said: You are harming yourself because you are on the wrong side. And why? Because of an accident of where you were born?

      Many do not want wars to wipe out Muslims and vice verses many want peace with out wars and people like those on this site do not help with all the warmongering,slandering justifying violence and gloating of lost innocent lives

      There are sides because people like you make them

      ''Because of the accident that you were not born in a culture where you could obtain a good education? ''

      Many are very well educated no need to paint Muslims cultures as not being not Educated and savage

      Calling Muslims not educated and savage yet acting like the same thing you are accusing Muslims as acting

      Anyway life is not measured on how much you claim to know and how much money one has it is the acts they commit

      ''There's nothing you can do about that, but what you can do something about is your stubborn closed mind and your unwillingness to accept the facts that prove you wrong''

      You claim others are closed minded yet you claim that Allah is Satan and make other wild claims with no proof (For example a wild theory that Obama is a Muslim and Muslims are taking over the world ) with out even knowing Islam and Arabic ect

      That makes you look like a fool

      -JSOP

    • JSOP says:

      No, many know what they get up to and they are not limited to Muslim Countries

      When will they learn to stop poking, warring and dictating to others

      Your comment is very Bias because you are in the army (that is if that is even true )

      Didn't you claim in another post that anti war people are radicals and like communists?
      Because some were calling each other comrade (funny that you jumped to that conclusion)

      -JSOP

    • John K says:

      Perfect analogy Charlee. That is EXACTLY what is going on here.

  9. livingsunnah says:

    I think it's clear in Islam that there WAS a differentiation between a physical and spiritual heaven. In Muhammad (pbuh) ascent to heaven (Bukhari 1.345), he talks of gates and meeting prophets (pbuh), even at the lowest heaven. They sit (on chairs, I assume, or couches… whatever, it doesn't matter), and there is mention of trees, and walls, and "earth". I don't think anyone at that time was arguing that the sky above them was "earth", nor that there were floating figures (similar to the image of heavens being on clouds). No, Muhammad (pbuh) ascended to a timeless heaven in which the prophets (pbuthem) were alive again, and there were seven levels of these heavens. All of the Qur'anic verses you referred to above seem to indicate the spiritual heaven.

    Nonetheless, there are also descriptions of a physical heaven, which can relate to the stars, the planets, etc. You didn't quote any verses that better fit the idea of the physical heaven (the sky), except for perhaps that of the stars, so I can't really comment on this any further.

    Also, I want to note a logical fallacy that you're using in this article: that Muhammad (pbuh)'s teachings and the Qur'an must be false because it is based upon earlier teachings. Just because other generations and civilizations liked the number 7 does not mean that they were incorrect; as happens with other discoveries, many people can observe something and try to describe it before someone comes along and explains what they're seeing or thinking. For example, thousands of civilizations experienced earthquakes; now we can look at how they occur and contribute them to shifts in tectonic plates, however the observations (the earth shaking, cracks in the crust, etc) are still as valid two thousands years ago as they are now.

    Furthermore, if you claim that Muhammad (pbuh) was simply reiterating the teachings of other people because it was easier (or he (pbuh) was ignorant), this goes against the general direction of his teachings. Look at the warring tribes at the time, and you can realize that any quest for "Arab nationalism" would have been better supported (at least, one would have assumed before any revelation) by adherence to paganism. And if Muhammad (pbuh) wanted to appeal to Christians and Jews, why deny Jesus (pbuh)'s crucifixion- a pivotal element of Christianity. Muhammad (pbuh) certainly didn't take the path of least resistance, but the path of truth. ;)

  10. John K says:

    Good article. Also appreciate the background context of contemporary astronomical concepts.

    Paul, however, was not talking about astronomy. His comment is more closely related to the concept of John 14:2

    "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

    Expanded context is at 1 Corinthians 15:40-42 which compares the 3 degrees of glory of the 3 heavens and the corresponding degrees of glory of corresponding resurrected bodies in an analogy of the degrees of brightness of the sun, moon, and stars:

    40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

    41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-244530998"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(244530998)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F#IDComment244530998&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(244530998)">Close Message It is related that Imam Ali asked an Egyptian astrologer, called Sarsafil, "Tell me what is the relation of venus to the satellites (tawabi) and fixed stars (jawami)?" Sarsafil could not return answer for he knew only Greek astronomy. The Arabic word for satellites is tawabi means "followers", and truly a satellite is a follower of the planet round which it revolves. Similarly, the word for fixed stars is jawamimeans "gatherers" and truly a sun, or fixed star keeps all the planets revolving round it gathered together. How accurate were the terminologies of Ali?

      Once a person asked Ali, "What is the distance between earth and the sun?" Ali said, "Suppose a horse runs day and night without any break from earth to sun, it would take 500 years to reach the sun." While making its calculation, it should be known that the speed of an Arabian horse is normally 22 miles per hour. The horse thus would cross 95,040,000 miles in 500 years, indicating a distance between earth and the sun. It must be remembered that the same distance between the earth and sun was commonly accepted in Europe during Renaissance. The western scientists expounded the same distance during 18th century under another notion, that if a jet plane flies from earth at the speed of 10,000 miles per hour, it would reach the sun in 11 years. This method also indicates the distance of 95,040,000 miles, vide "The Book of Knowledge" (ed. by E.V. McLoughlin, New York, 1910). The modern science however shows that when the earth is closest to the sun in the early January, the distance from earth becomes 91,400,000 miles, and when the earth is farthest in early July, the distance becomes 95,040,000 miles. It is therefore safe to conclude that the person would have asked the above question to Ali most possibly in the month of early July.

      NOTE-Ali was the Son-In-Law of prophet Muhammad,and also the first successor of Prophet.

    • Hassan says:

      Allah states in Surah Talaaq (Chapter 65) verse 12: Allah is The One Who created the seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof; His orders descend between them (the heavens and the earths).

      This Quranic verse tells us that Almighty God created seven heavens, as well as seven earths. The hadith (sayings of The Messenger Muhammad – salutations be upon him) also make mention of seven earths. In several books, a compilation of hadith written over 1200 years ago, the following statement of Allah’s Messenger appears: “He who usurps a hand-span of land, that amount (of land) from the seven earths will be thrown around his neck (on the Day of Judgment).” “He who unjustly claims a portion of land will be swallowed by that portion down to the seven earths.” Both these quotations appear in the Book on Oppression and Usurpation of Saheeh Al-Bukhari.

      Fakhrud-Deen Razi, the great philosophy and jurist of Islam, who died in 1210 of the Christian era (about 800 years ago) wrote in his wonderful Commentary of the Holy Quran At TafSeerul Kabeer: ‘The seven earths are similar to the seven heavens for they are like stratum, one layer on top of the other, each layer being adjacent to the other. It is also not a far-fetched theory that seven earths may mean seven planets similar to those that are in space. These are possibilities that the intellect cannot refute or reject.’

      Science in its history has never ever even entertained the idea of their being more than one earth. However, recent discoveries have proven the accuracy of both theories mentioned by Imam Razi. There are two logical possibilities for the existence of seven earths. One is that the earth consists of seven layers, as Imam Razi surmised. Based on this theory, it would not be inconsistent with science to term the seven layers of earth as “seven earths” when considering that the Arabic term for earth, ardh, is used for any mass or tract of land. Recent studies in geology have proven that the earth is composed of seven zones, identified from the inner to the outer layers as follows:

      1) The Solid Inner Core of Earth: depth of 5,150 – 6,370 kilometers (3,219 – 3,981 miles)
      (2) The Liquid Outer core: depth of 2,890 – 5,150 kilometers (1,806 – 3,219 miles)
      (3) The “D” Layer: depth of 2,700 – 2,890 kilometers (1,688 – 1,806 miles) This layer is 200 to 300 kilometers (125 to 188 miles) thick
      (4) Lower Mantle: depth of 650 – 2,890 kilometers (406 -1,806 miles)
      (5) Middle Mantle (Transition region): depth of 400 – 650 kilometers (250-406 miles)
      (6) Upper Mantle: depth of 10 – 400 kilometers (6 – 250 miles)
      (7) Lithosphere Oceanic crust: depth of 0-10 kilometers (0 – 6 miles)
      It must be remembered that according to science all these layers are made of different substances and material; hence the Holy Quran expression of seven earths must be considered in this context, since these are seven different parts of the earth. As stated earlier, the word ardh (earth) refers to a ‘tract of land’. The second logical possibility is that six other planets like our own earth do really exist. This, too, has recently been proven by science exploration of the universe.

      On October 31, 2007 the Daily Telegraph reported in its online edition, Telegraph.co.uk:
      “Britain's leading team of planet-hunters says it has found three new alien worlds that lie beyond our solar system, boosting confidence that Earth-like worlds are waiting to be discovered. The discovery of the planets will be announced by the Wide Area Search for Planets (WASP) project this week at an international conference in Suzhou, China, and have been called WASP-3, WASP-4 and WASP-5.”

      The Daily Mail online newspaper reported on April 26, 2007 what is possibly the most extraordinary world to have been discovered by astronomers: the first truly Earth-like planet to have been found outside our Solar System. The discovery was announced today by a team of European astronomers, using a telescope in La Silla in the Chilean Andes. The Earth-like planet could be covered in oceans and may support life. This remarkable discovery appears to confirm the suspicions of most astronomers that the universe is swarming with Earth-like worlds.

      CNN.com reported the following on August 24, 2004: In a discovery that has left one expert stunned, European astronomers have found one of the smallest planets known outside our solar system, a world about 14 times the mass of our own around a star much like the sun. It could be a rocky planet with a thin atmosphere, a sort of ‘super Earth’, the researchers said today. (All emphasis by the editor)

      These few reports of recent discoveries made by modern science prove that there are planets out their in the universe that resemble our own earth. Scientists have in recent years discovered hundreds of planets in the solar system, and believe that there are still many more. They have discovered at least four planets that resemble our earth, and the Holy Quran has mentioned seven. It is, therefore, not far-fetched to believe that in years to come they may discover a few more, to confirm and corroborate with The Quran has said.

    • enlightened25 says:

      If you base your religion on science then you are quite lost, science is not absolute truth and what we think is "scientific truth" today can be overthrown tomorrow.

    • Hassan says:

      really?,show me even 1 mistake in the Qur'an?

    • Hassan says:

      these are error's?lol,nice joke really made me laugh,do you want me to show mistake's?

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Quran indeed has errors and you just denied it. xD

    • enlightened25 says:

      What are you on about? I didn`t say anything about the Qur`an though sinse you mention it here is one of the top of my head [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

      Qur'an (3:85) – "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

      So what is it can christians, jews and other monotheists get to paradise or only the muslims?

    • Hassan says:

      Yes,the Islam is the true religion of God,if that applies to only Islam, if non-muslim's commit a good deed,they will only be rewarded here,in this world,but not in hereafter,because they died without trusting in Allah and His Messenger's specially Prophet Muhammad,so non-muslim pray to Allah,Allah will give them in this world only but not here after,

    • enlightened25 says:

      The verse said no such thing you just made up this excuse. Also where does it say believers in other religions will be rewarded in this world by Allah? And what is this reward(s)and what are they?

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Who is "their lord" here? ;)

    • John K says:

      Islam is the true religion of Satan.

    • Hassan says:

      really?did you see Satan making it?,oh my god,I didn't know they also use the internet,how cool,when you meet him next time,ask him what happened to those who didn't believe in Islam?,ok?

    • John K says:

      No, but I see Satan in its teachings.

      You can get a beginner's introduction here:
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

      You can see here that what the Bible says about Satan is the same as what the Quran says about Allah:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxHnb9goGqg

      (90 minutes – follow the playlist)

    • JSOP says:

      John Said :''Islam is the true religion of Satan.''

      Didn't the other Christian say that about Mormons,Buddhism and any other religion but there's also what is everyone took that as fact like you are expect others to about Islam ?

      You bring the Mormons to shame with your bias none scene, no proof, hate filled posts

      -JSOP

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Q 23:14 is a starter. :p

    • Hassan says:

      but Qur'an will still work,think ur self,a book written in a time when Arab's didnt know God,and they worshiped something else,the books is accurate and correct till today,even the orignal bible was correct from Prophet Isa [PBUH] but people corrupted it,so if you want to read the bible,it is in the Qur'an

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Arabs knew god, silly. Everyone at that time knew what kind of entity god is. Muhammad just picked one and made a religion out of it. Come on, don't just cherry pick posts here.

      Oh, sure, bible is in the Quran, a modified one of course.

      As for corruption, you have to prove it. xD otherwise it was Islam which corrupt it.

    • Hassan says:

      ok,if the bible is real,so there is name of prophet Muhammad,so that means christian are wrong but if bible is wrong so islam is write,lol use ur logic{if u have…}

    • John K says:

      The Quran has already been proven false, so that's half your equation. It is not, however, either-or math, so the Quran being proven wrong does not prove the Bible is true. They are separate issues to be evaluated on their own merits.

    • Hassan says:

      Mr. John your not alone who read the Qur'an,Islam has won,by it's truth,and by the way NATO STRIKE'S TOO MUCH,AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE,HUH?HOW SAD,SO NATO BELONG'S TO MUSLIM?,OH YEAH WHO CREATED OSAMA?

    • John K says:

      I have already given you the link to factual data about the war casualties. You are still living in Muslim propaganda la-la fantasy land. Grow up and face the facts, Hassan.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      I didn’t say that Bible is right or real because there is no proof. I just said that Muhammad was not in the bible. This applies to Jesus too who wasn’t in the Torah. Stop assuming your opponent, please. Why muslims mostly act and think the same, eh? Must be something wrong with the factory.

      If the bible is right, Islam is wrong actually but if the bible is wrong Islam is wrong too. You should learn to think logically and know your opponent first. Your words are nothing but repetition.

      Example:

      1. Bible is right about Jesus and that makes Islam as wrong about Jesus.
      2. Bible is wrong about Adam and Eve and that makes Islam as wrong too.

    • Hassan says:

      hmm,whose more educated?,Ali Sina or my Prophet or my Imam ALi?

    • Sanada_10 says:

      It depends on what kind of education these people had/have. Just by saying "educated" won't explain anything. o.0

    • Hassan says:

      these people have no education,they just know how to mock that's all,when Prophet himself said,do not insult any religion,its not our right,but these people want to make fake hadith,

    • Sanada_10 says:

      They have no education because they mock Islam? Wow, is that your logic? Muhammad also mocked other religions too, you know. xD

    • Hassan says:

      Prophet Muhammad said,We have no right to mock any religion,but other religion mock him,because Muhammad was right,the problem is u dont understand Qur'an,

    • John K says:

      Error: Muhammad was not right.

      We understand the Quran better than you.

    • Hassan says:

      oh so Prophet Muhammad became wrong when he said DO NOT MOCK ANY RELIGION,so you mean we should mock religion?,huh?,GET EDUCATED……..

    • John K says:

      Good advice for yourself. But we are here to help you get an education.

    • Hassan says:

      what do you mean,by advice,do not answer,by just small word's,prove it wrong.

    • John K says:

      It has already been proven wrong. We are waiting for you to examine the evidence, but you are too busy spitting the ignorance of your verbal jihad.

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-245578145"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245578145)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F%23IDComment245515569#IDComment245578145&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245578145)">Close Message really,i didn't know that,by the way tell me what does this mean?
      Prior to the Quran philosophers thought that the atom was the smallest indivisible component of matter. However today we know that this was false. Atoms are composed of electrons, neutrons and protons. And lately it turned out that those neutrons and protons are made of quarks… However 1400 years ago the Quran contradicted the common knowledge of the time. It stated that the atom is not the smallest part:

      [Quran 10:61] Whatever you may be doing, and whatever portion you may be reciting from the Quran, and whatever deed you may be doing, We [Allah] do witness when you are doing it. And nothing is hidden from your Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on Earth and in heaven, not less than that nor more but is (written) in a clear record (the Preserved Tablet).
      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that the atom is not the smallest component of matter?

    • Hassan says:

      The Quran turned out to have a unique signature:

      The count of chapters (Suras) in the Quran is a multiple of 19.
      The count of verses (Ayats) in all the Quran is a multiple of 19.
      The sum of all digits mentioned in the Quran is a multiple of 19.
      The count of the word "Allah" in all the Quran is a multiple of 19.
      The sum of all verse numbers (Ayat numbers) in which the word "Allah" appears is a multiple of 19.
      Some chapters start with letters that have no meaning at all. When we add the number of occurrences of those letters in their chapters we always get a multiple of 19… So if anyone changed a single word containing those letters in the Quran the signature would have been broken.
      God says that He assigned 19 angels to guard Hell, and He made their count "19" so that believers shall increase their faith.

    • John K says:

      Yes. The Koran does have a unique signature of Muhammad's sociopathy. It's called:

      Koranic Argument

      The key to understanding the Koran is Context, Chronology (the right time order for events), and Categories, CCC. Both the context and chronology come from Mohammed's life.

      Some categories are obvious, such as retold tales from the Jews. But the less obvious category is Koranic Argument. The Koran is filled with violent threats against those who do not believe Mohammed and who did not believe the prophets of Allah in the past.

      The stream of violence that runs throughout the Koran gives insight into its structure and how to select the topics and their divisions. The violence is not random, but turns out to have an internal order to it. Take Hell, for instance. If you highlight the violent references to the Kafirs, you will find that there are five elements that accompany the violence:

      – A description of the violence
      – Who is threatened
      – What they did to deserve the violence
      – How they are wrong
      – Words from Allah to support the messenger, Mohammed

      This structure is called the Koranic Argument. The argument goes like this: the Kafirs are wrong; Mohammed is right; and violence will come to those who deny him.

      The Koranic argument was discovered by pondering the extreme violence of the Koran and noticing it had a pattern. The violence of the Koran is not random, but develops around certain themes. If colored pens are used on printouts of the Koran to mark each of the five elements with a different color, it will produce a colored "map" of the structure that can be seen from across the room.

      The Koranic Argument is a natural organizational element of thought in the Koran. The verse is typically a sentence. People who use individual verses to prove anything about the Koran would never turn around and analyze Kant, Plato or Marx on the basis of sentences. No, you want to analyze thoughts, and a sentence is too small a unit for critical, systemic thought. The Koranic Argument allows easy textual analysis of thought, ideas and theme.

      After giving some examples and further explanation, the section goes on to say:

      The data mirrors the history of Mohammed's life. In the Meccan religious phase, the violence took the form of threats of punishment that were to occur after death in Hell. Or the mentioned violence was in ancient history, i.e., the Pharoah being destroyed because he would not listen to Allah's prophet, Moses. In Mecca the Koranic violence referred to the far future or the distant past. However, in Medina, there is much less preaching about Hell, and more physical violence against political enemies. The action of jihad replaces the rhetoric of the threat of punishment.

      Approximately two-thirds of the Koran of Mecca is devoted to the Koranic Argument of "listen to Mohammed, the prophet of the only god, Allah, or you will suffer eternal torture in Hell." When Mohammed achieved political power, the religious threats became political reality. The Koranic Argument of religion in Mecca became the political practice in Medina.
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/

    • Hassan says:

      there is not such thing as violence in Islam,and the name also dictates it ISLAM=PEACE,ok,if you think there is so much mistake's in the Qur'an(astagfirullah),so just prove the following ayah's I wrote wrong,and I will believe you,talking to u feel's like I am talking to a wall.

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-245579298"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245579298)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F%23IDComment245515569#IDComment245579298&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245579298)">Close Message Neutron stars are remnants of exploded stars. As more matter falls into a neutron star its mass increases; and as its mass increases its gravity increases. A point will be reached where gravity would have grown so much that not even light could escape, thus a black hole forms. Most neutron stars discovered today are in the form of radio pulsars. They are called radio pulsars because they emit radio waves. We can simply connect a radio telescope to a loud speaker and hear a pulsar. Pulsars sound like someone persistently knocking. Click here and listen to a slow knocking pulsar. Click here and listen to a fast knocking pulsar. So in short, we can hear a pulsar knock; and if matter continues to fall into this pulsar a black hole will eventually form. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran describes a star by "The one who knocks" and says that it is "The one who makes a hole".

      [Quran 86.1-3] And the heaven and the "Knocker" (Tarek in Arabic) How could you know about the "Knocker"? The piercing star (Thakeb in Arabic).
      The Arabic word "Thukb" means a hole; "Thakeb" means the one who makes the hole. The Quran is describing a knocking star that makes a hole.

      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that a star can make a hole?

      (The Christian Bible says that stars will fall on Earth before Jesus' second coming: Mark 13:24-30).

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-245580114"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580114)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F%23IDComment245515569#IDComment245580114&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580114)">Close Message Earth's crust has been slowly moving for billions of years. Not only mountains are still slowly moving but also whole continents. Moslems say that this is what Allah says:

      [Quran 27.88] You see the mountains and think they are firmly fixed: but they are moving away just like the clouds are moving away: (such is) the artistry of Allah, Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He knows all what you do.
      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that mountains move?

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-245580497"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580497)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F%23IDComment245515569#IDComment245580497&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580497)">Close Message Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude; The higher the altitude the more difficult breathing becomes. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran says that as we ascend to the sky it becomes more difficult for us to breathe:

      [Quran 6.125] Those whom Allah wants to guide, He opens their chests to Islam; And those whom He wants to leave astray, He makes their chests tight and constricted, as if they are ascending to the sky: Such is the penalty of Allah on those who refuse to believe.
      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that we cannot breath with increased altitude?

    • Hassan says:

      <div class="idc-message" id="idc-comment-msg-div-245580820"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580820)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Flayers-of-heaven%2F%23IDComment245514015#IDComment245580820&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20Seven%20Layers%20of%20Heaven%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(245580820)">Close Message Until 100 years ago it was thought that only man and animals were in pairs (males and females). However the Quran said that everything from which the land produces, man and what they could not see were also made of pairs. Today we know that all matter is in pairs: matter and antimatter (electrons and positrons, quarks and antiquarks…)

      (Quran 36.36) Glory to Him [Allah], Who created in pairs all things that the land produces, and their own kind (humans) and other things of that they have no knowledge of.

      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that matter is in pairs?

    • Hassan says:

      The difference in temperature, salinity and CO2 concentrations in seas cause water to separate into layers. This was only known recently. However Moslems knew about it all along:

      (Quran 55.19-20) He [Allah] has made the two seas meet, between them a barrier that they don't transgress.
      How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago could have known that sea water can separate?

      Not only light cannot reach deep waters but also the water layers down there are not flat but wavy, that is, the seas have internal waves just as they have surface waves. However Moslems also knew about this long before it was discovered:

      (Quran 24.40) Or like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hand, he will not see it! If Allah does not give light to a person he will not have light!
      The Quran talked about internal waves long before it was discovered. Also, sunlight cannot penetrate more than few hundred meters into the seas. It is so dark down there that you cannot see your own hand. Moslems ask how could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that seas separate, have internal waves and there is no light down there?

      The water cover about 71% of the Earth's surface. This is also the same ratio the word "water" and word "Land" appear in the Quran. "Water" 32 times and "Land" 13 times. The ratio of "Water" to the total (Water + Land) = 32/(32+13) = 71%.

    • Hassan says:

      Water on Earth actually came from outer space, particularly from ice in comets and meteors. When those comets enter our atmosphere the heat generated on entry vaporizes this ice into the atmosphere. Moslems say that this is what Allah says.

      [Quran 2.164] … In the water which Allah sent down from the Heavens and brought with it life to Earth after being dead and gave life in it to every kind of land animal; And in directing the winds; And in the clouds that are enslaved between the Heavens and the Earth; [All these] are Signs for a people who comprehend.
      The clouds are enslaved between the Earth and the heavens but the water itself came from the heavens (above the clouds). Here God is not talking about rain (matar or wadk in Arabic) instead God is talking about water (ma-e in Arabic).

      In another verse, the Quran says that water originally came from the heavens (above the clouds) in the form of ice. There are mountains in heaven that have ice inside them; those mountains could fall on Earth making a very bright flash:

      [Quran 24.43] Can't you see that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a pile? Then you see rain come out from within? And He sends down from heaven mountains with ice inside them; that strike whomever He wishes or miss whoever He wishes; Its flash almost blinds you.
      God sent down from the heavens (above the clouds) mountains with ice inside them!!! The clouds are enslaved between the Heavens and the Earth but the water itself originally came from the Heavens (above the clouds) in the form of ice in mountains. However today we know that this is exact because water on Earth actually came from ice in comets and meteors.

      Rain hits everyone (no exceptions) however the Quran referred to mountains: "that strike whomever He wishes or miss whoever He wishes". Of course, the meteor that killed the dinosaurs was the size of a mountain. If we get hit with a meteor the size of a mountain we too will die. It is Gods' choice that we live or die.

      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that water originally came from ice in comets?

    • Hassan says:

      You Still understand Qur'an better than me?

    • John K says:

      It will be a long time before you get enough education to be able to communicate with academics. You are still in kindergarten and unfortunately got a bad teacher. But we can help you crawl out of your intellectual black hole. How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that his book would cause such intellectual black holes in the descendants of his followers?

      But we understand. You are just following Quranic Logic:

      Logic

      The Koran advances a logical system. Truth is determined by revelation. No fact or argument may refute the Koran. Logical persuasion is based upon repetition and continued assertion. Another part of the persuasion is personal attacks against those who resist Islam. The Koran advances its argument through threats against specific people and groups. If persuasion fails, then force may be used to settle the logical or political argument.

      Another aspect of Koranic logic is the use of name-calling and personal insults to advance the truth. The Koran, with its poetical language and repeated threats and physical violence, bases its logic on emotions. Although its intellectual truth can be contradictory, the contradictions do not need to be resolved. Understanding apparent contradictions is a key to understanding Islamic logic. In unitary logic, a contradiction shows the theory or argument to be false. But in the Koran, a contradiction does not prove an argument to be false. What appears to be logical contradictions are statements of duality that offer two true choices, depending upon the circumstances. This is dualistic logic.

      How do we know the Koran is true? Because it contains the words of Allah. How do we know that these are the words of Allah? Mohammed said they were Allah's words. How do we know that Mohammed is Allah's messenger? Mohammed reported that Allah said that Mohammed is His messenger. – CSPI
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/

    • Hassan says:

      During cloud formation water can become supercooled, that is, it can get below freezing point but remain not frozen! This stage is so unstable that we can add some catalyst molecules to trigger rain. Historically humans used silver iodide, frozen carbon dioxide and some salts to trigger rain. This is known as cloud seeding.

      However nature uses different material to seed the clouds. Nature uses both sea salt and land dust to trigger rain: Wind at the surface of the seas causes waves to roll. Those waves release aerosols into the air carrying the sea salt. The wind carries both the sea salt and the land dust to the clouds. The sea salt and land dust cause the supercooled water to coalesce and trigger precipitation.

      [Quran 15:22] And We send the seeding winds, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water, though you are not the guardians of its stores.
      How could a man who lived 1400 years ago have known that wind has a seeding role in clouds?

    • John K says:

      You can drop all your witchcraft and hocus pocus. This is the twenty-first century and we have real scientists now.

    • Hassan says:

      So you mean this is not science,do you have a better explanation for this,what else do you know
      except to mock and hide the truth,take an example from Iran,what do you mean hocus pocus,the truth is these?,lol I was just wondering about the annoying mistake's in the bible,and yes,there is not even a single mistake in the Qur'an,this is the 21 century,let it also be 30 century but Qur'an will still work,ok,just prove it wrong what I wrote.simple

    • John K says:

      Because you haven't any better knowledge of real science than a 5 year old kid. When you are ready to grow up, we are ready to help you.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      How about everyone here play the science in religions and quote all religions you can find in the net? :p

      Reverse the pattern and … nothing happens, literally nothing at all. ;)

    • John K says:

      Good point. Certainly no professional scientist has used the Quran as a guide to achieving any scientific discovery, notwithstanding the lies of the Muslims. Nor do you see hoards of scientists madly sifting through the Quran to find clues for the next great scientific discovery.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      The lie of copy pasted material. o.0

    • JSOP says:

      John K said: ''We understand the Quran better than you.''

      You say this yet you quote a flawed Quran with a religious and political axe to grind and have not even took the time to learn Arabic and Arabic culture and History

      This from you and others does not mean much

      -JSOP

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Boring and repetitive, JSOP. The Quran just said what the extremist do. ;)

      It would be simple if you just post the true translation and yet you haven't done so. :p

    • John K says:

      Or conversely, the "extremists" just do what the Quran said.

    • John K says:

      Just the facts, ma'am. Just stick to the facts.

    • Sanada_10 says:

      Your prophet had mocked polytheists and cursed Christians and Jews. Your problem is clear, you don't read.

      Now, back the the topic. Is there any relevancy with education?

    • John K says:

      Imam's are not educated. Imam means custodian of the ummiya, or the illiterate. In other words, Muslims are not expected to know the Quran and Sunna, but are expected to learn it from the imams who are expected to know them. So don't expect an imam to know anything about critical thinking, higher textual criticism, scholarly standards, or academic rigor. Compare my blog post here:
      http://www.freedombulwark.net/my-blog/humanitas-v

  11. I says:

    Dear Ali Sina,
    I want to know which is the first heaven and which is the seventh, if first heaven is the one in which moon presents, then i think you will find the reason for stars being present in the first heaven in this website: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

  12. Arya Anand says:

    Harun Yahya(real name Adnan Okhtar) thinks he is the Mahdi and wants to revive Ottoman Caliphate under the name of Islamic Turkic Union and rule over the entire world as Mahdi. He might have removed his(other's article under his pen name) from his site but he publishes hundreds of absurd and fraudulent articles on his various sites.

  13. johannestrojmer says:

    love your articles mr.sina.. may i suggest a complete drawing or cartoon.. explaining how the quran envisions earth.. a flat earth, floating on fresh water, with the sky as a dome, with seven heaven above, the lower heaven adorned with stars, the moon and the sun in the middle, 7 hells, mountains as pegs (like nails) to prevent the earth(boat) from shaking..
    take the verses one by one and then cronologically draw what is being said..

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