Was Muhammad a Pedophile?

Was Muhammad a Pedophile?

Bassam Zawadi has written a series of “rebuttals” to several of my articles. I have ignored them because they are so shallow. However, Amir, who was once a Muslim and left it after reading my book has been insisting that I respond to them. I promised him that I would and he has held me to my promise even though I have a lot to do.  Anyway a promise is a promise. Here is my second response to Bassam Zawadi’s “rebuttal”.  I wished someone with a bit more knowledge would write a rebuttal to my articles.

Ali Sina’s problem here isn’t with the Holy Prophet (S), but in fact it is with Aisha (R). The reasons why this accusation is itself lame are because:

1)       Back then, it was perfectly normal for a girl at young age to marry. We know this because before Aisha was married to the Holy Prophet (S), she was engaged to someone else

 

At no time it was “perfectly normal” for an old man to marry little girls. In the old days parents use to betroth their children, sometimes in their infancy. This was done until very recently (70 years ago) in some villages in Iran.  Gandhi and his wife were ten and nine years old when they married. That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about an old man having sex with a little girl. We are talking about pedophilia.  It is normal for children to fall in love.  They fall in love with another child of their own age. But it is not normal for a fifty year old man to fall in love with a six year old girl.

 

2)       Who are we to tell Aisha now what is right for her and what is wrong for her? Aisha (R) remained all her life married to the Holy Prophet (S), and even when she was given the chance to divorce the Holy Prophet (S), she did not divorce him! A case like this shows that both of them loved each other

 

A six year old child is not in any position to choose her life partner. In the case of Aisha she probably thought this is normal because even her benighted parents had consented to this shameful betrayal of their trust.

We are not concerned about Aisha. She is dead. We are concerned about millions of little girls who are victimized today because of this tradition set by Muhammad.

To say Aisha was given the choice to divorce Muhammad is a silly argument. Divorce him and were to go? Medina had become the compound of Muhammad and every Muslim had become a cultist. The atmosphere was full of terror. How could she live a normal life after divorcing Muhammad? Anyway, this did not apply to Aisha who was brainwashed since childhood. This applied to Safiyah, Rayhanah and Juwariyah who were captives, whose relatives had been slaughtered and their villages destroyed. Where could they go?

Cultists do stupid things. Many cultists allow their wife or daughter to have sex with their beloved leader. This does not mean that they do it with conscience. Cultists lose their conscience and can no longer be regarded as responsible people.

 

3)       Noone objected to Aisha’s marriage with the Holy Prophet (S), infact everyone was happy! It seems the only person who has a problem, is Ali Sina and his crowd.

 

In a cultic atmosphere no one objects to the despicable deeds of the leader.  The cultist becomes befogged and those few who see something is wrong do not dare to question.  I have explained this phenomenon with many examples of modern day cults in my book Understanding Muhammad.

 

4) It was Aisha’s parents who approved of this marriage. They deemed it good to marry their daughter to the Holy Prophet (S), and indeed they did a great thing, as Aisha grew up to be a great scholar of Islam!

 

The followers of David Koresh let him sleep with their wives while they themselves were told to practice celibacy. Cultists do very stupid things. They are no longer in control of what they do.

This man says he saw Khomeini solicited one of his devout followers to let him have sex with his five year old daughter. The man agreed. The little girl screamed and cried all the night and the father heard everything and smiled. Does that mean what Khomeni did was okay because that foolish father agreed?  You must read my book to understand cultic mentality and hence you will understand Islam.

Aisha was no scholar. She was someone who remembered what Muhammad did and said and narrated them. That does not make her a scholar. But then again, all Muslim scholars are of that kind.  They are a bunch of ignoramuses who have memorized the hadith and the Quran mindlessly, but understand nothing and cannot reason like normal people.  I have not memorized any of that garbage, but I can defeat all Muslim scholars because I understand Islam.  Anyone can do that. If you understand Islam you can defeat all Muslim scholars.  If you read my book, you will understand Islam.

 

5)       When one looks up the definition of a “pedophile”, you will find that pedophiles have: “”Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals.“ (Source). Obviously that is not the case with the Holy Prophet (S), as his other wives were older then Aisha, two of his wives were older then him, specifically Sauda (R) and Khadijah (R).

 

Muhammad had a very low self esteem. That is why he developed narcissism. Narcissism is a reaction to hide the low self esteem. I have explained this in my book extensively.

Muhammad was unable to have a normal relationship with women of his age. Khadijah was to him a sugar mommy.  She took care of all his needs like a mother would do. That woman had her own psychological problems. She suffered from co-dependency aka inverted narcissism.  After her death Muhammad did not marry a woman of his own age. Sauda was at least half his age and then he kept collecting teenagers.

 

6)       If the Holy Prophet (S) was a pedophile (Astaghfirullah), then one must ask why didn’t he consummate his marriage with Aisha right there and then when Aisha (R) was six years old? Infact, this source says: “Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations.” (Source, same as above). Thus, if the Holy Prophet (S) was a “pedophile”, according to the definition of a pedophile, he would have no control over his sexual desire. On the contrary, the Holy Prophet (S) waited 3 years after the marriage contract to consummate his marriage with Aisha.

 

Muhammad wanted to consummate his “marriage” with Aisha right away. Abu Baker pleaded with him to wait.  Muhammad did not want to lose the trust of his foolish follower and complied.

We must also remember that Muhammad was not just a pedophile. He wanted to be a prophet and hence he had to preserve an image of propriety. We see him in Jaun, after raiding that town and killing people, a little girl with her wet nurse are brought to him and he tells her to give herself to him. The girl says can a princess give herself to an ordinary man? Muhammad raises his hand to beat her and she screams, “I beseech Allah from you.” Muhammad stops. That is because his followers were watching. He had to balance between his animal instinct and his deception of being a prophet and portraying an image of holiness.

Of course pedophiles exert some self control.  They don’t jump on all children they see. They wait for an appropriate time when they cannot be caught.  All predetor animals know when it is not safe to attack. The fact that Muhammad waited for three years was to appease Abu Bakr and it is not an indication that he had self control.

It is unbelievable that a person becomes so bereft of reason that would defend such a perversity and bring up these silly excuses to justify such a hideous crime. That is what blind faith does to cultists.  Poor Zawadi is a cultist. Even he may leave Islam if he reads my book.

Muhammad did suffer from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I have dedicated a whole chapter in my book to this topic alone.

 

7)       Can we honestly say Aisha (R) would’ve remained with the Holy Prophet (S) after she was allegedly “molested”? We must remember that Aisha (R) was very wise, and a great orator and she was quick to comment when she saw something wrong. If she was in any way, shape or form “molested” by the Holy Prophet (S), then she would’ve never remained married to him!

 

Having sex with a child is molesting her. There is no other way to put it. The fact that the victim is not aware of the abuse does not mean that the abuse does not take place.  There are many cases of children that are abducted and abused for years and they get used to it and do not escape even when they have a chance. The case of Elizabeth Smart is a good example.

She was kidnapped raped daily but when found by police she was not cooperating and claimed to be someone else.    You must read the chapter titled Psychology of Fear in the latest edition of my book to understand this phenomenon.

 

8)       The women who spoke to Aisha (R) when she was marrying the Holy Prophet (S) were happy for Aisha. When she married the Holy Prophet (S), they praised her, they didn’t cry for her, or pity her for marrying a person who is, allegedly, as Ali Sina claims a “pedophile” (Astaghfirullah!).

 

This is cultic behavior. The followers of Jim Jones cheerfully gave the poison laced Cool Aid to their children and drank it themselves. Does this make what they did normal? Listen to this horrifying last tape in Jamestown.  Everyone is happy to commit suicide.  This is cultic mentality that describes Muslims’ behavior who praise “martyrdom” and murder.

 

9)       Even the Non-Muslims who were quick to yell and shout when they saw something they didn’t like in Islam didn’t think anything was wrong with this marriage. After all, how can they say this marriage was wrong, when in the Arab culture it is normal for a girl at a young age to marry?

 

It is not normal for 50 year old men to have sexual feelings for little girls. This is part of human psychology and has nothing to do with culture.  It is simply not possible for normal men to have any other feeling for little girls other than parental feeling.  If an adult feels sexual feeling for little girls he is a sick person that has to seek psychological help or shoot himself quickly before causing harm to innocent children.

Not even Arabs with such a low morality married little girls when they were that old.  For a normal man it is not possible to feel sexual by a little child.  What part of this Zawadi does not understand? Even though pedophilia is legitimized, most Muslims don’t practice it. It is legal, but they don’t do it because they don’t get aroused by children. Muhammad gave legitimacy to pedophiles.

Didn’t the enemies of Muhammad criticize him for it? How does Zawadi know? They were all subdued and no trace of their criticism was left.

 

10)   Do we honestly think if Aisha (R) were alive today, she would support people like Ali Sina, who claim she was molested, and that her husband was a “pedophile”??

 

Probably not! Aisha was so victimized that she had no understanding of what is normal.  Many Muslims are unaware of the abuse that they suffer. But when they leave Islam and start seeing the abuse, it is then that they come to despise Muhammad. This does not happen with ex-Christians, ex-Jews or ex-Hindus. Only ex-Muslims see the extent of abuse. Others simply leave their faiths and say it was a lie. Muslims see more than lie. They also see the abuse. Brainwashed people don’t see the abuse.

 

Lastly, we end this section with some quotes from Aisha (R):

Sahih Al-Bukhari

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:

Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

(on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.

 

I have quoted this hadith in my book and explained it. Muhammad was impotent. It is not that he controlled himself. He simply could not do it. He satisfied his lust by fondling his wives but was unable to perform intercourse.

 

Sahih Muslim

Book 006, Number 2439:

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you.

Thus, according to the words of our Mother Aisha (R), the Holy Prophet (S) had the greatest control over his desire amongst the people. Thus, Aisha (R) herself has refuted the Christian missionaries, and anti-Islamic haters like Ali Sina with these quotes of hers!

How Aisha would know that?  Did she have any experience with other men to compare Muhammad with them?  That is another subject. She did have a fling with Safwan.  However, what she interpreted as “mastery over desire” was due to Muhammad’s inability to perform.  He contented himself with foreplay, and fondling. He “drank their honey” as one hadith puts it,  but he could not perform intercourse.  I have dedicated several pages in my book to Muhammad’s impotence.

 

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  1. Do you need more proof that Islam is loved by pedophiles ?
    Do you stil doubt that pedophilia is allowed in Islam ?
    Do you still doubt that muhammad was a pedophile?

    Syrian little girls are being sold to Saudi pedophiles. 
    A 70 years old stinking , dirty , old , pervert bastard pedophile is trying to buy a girl but the condition is that she must be younger that 13 or else he won`t pay for her.
    Welcome to Islamic mentality on sex.

    Where are the human right organisations ? Where is the UN ?
    I guess they are busy making a law wich does not let people to criticise Islam and muhammad for pedophilia. (and call it islamophobia)[youtube ohjuSYL5VHo#t=54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohjuSYL5VHo#t=54 youtube]

  2. Namaste Dr. Ali Sina
    When arabian invaders entered Indian sub-continent ,they killed Indian men ,temples , Ashrams were destroyed, Nalanda and Taxshila universities having Indian spiritual scriptures were destroyed, and indian girls and women were brutally raped. They succeeded in panicking innocent Indians and converted them to Islam. Law of Karma states that you will get each and everything what you have given (done) others. Muslims all over the world are living in dangerous atmosphere of bloodshed, suicide bombing, firing, fear of every aspect of life because of their Karmic account. Muslims tried very hard to insult and destroy Sanatan Dharma (e.g. Zakir Naik) but pro-science westerners are learning and admiring Indian spiritual scriptures. Yoga has important place in life of western people. Bhagwat gita has gained popularity in world( International Society for Krishna Conscienceness). Western people are visiting India for seeking inner piece. Indians do not need to convert anybody with the help of sword. India is getting exactlty what it is offering the world. Dr. Ali Sina ,you are invited to India to share your knowledge of spirituality. Actually I find you views of spirituality are identical with Indian spirituality.

  3. Those who follow Ali Sina never have healthy brain.
    I tell you brothers and sisters, all Ali Sina wants is your hatred to Islam and muslims.
    don't you realize that you are now being brainwashed? your hatred is being raised up to your head as if you want to kill Muhammad and all muslims.

    Read carefully what he writes about Islam, he never speaks politely. I suspect he never knows what polite means. His writing is full of hatred, insult, and offence.

    I don't believe someone who has good education can speak like kids.

    ALI SINA IS THE REAL SATAN. …

  4. my dear brother,

    child marriage is sick!!,!…don't even try to defend it….!!!

  5. (y) right

  6. Your doing a good job, But Mr. Sina, please post hadith from Al-Kafi,Bihar Ul Anwar, as you must know that Shia's are the most 'Emotionally '' blackmailing people on Earth, and they don't believe in Sunni hadith.

  7. Dear DDD.
    The biggest problem is not that Mohammed was crazy .The biggest problem is THAT this BASTARD was VERY,VERY EVIL and that all MUSLIMS MUST FOLLOW this moron BLINDLY, according to surah 33:36–
    "It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error."
    PS. There are more surahs like this to affirm this !

  8. Mohammad, well in my opinion he is a crazy man.

  9. If Allah was real…… why does the stupid Moon God or his pedophile messenger do something about it? He or she or it (Allah) would be able to just destroy all the non-believers and not ask the crazy Muslims to do it for him. Anyway he is called "Merciful", but at the same time he asks Muslims to kill kafirs! Now that in itself does not make sense…. if he was all mighty, he could have just converted all the kafirs.

    Yes – Islam is a cult…… with stupid beliefs followed by Idiots who cannot see reason.

    The only way Islam is being spread is because they breed like mossies and rats, which means that we have to make more of the inbred idiots understand that their cult is evil.

  10. "2. I am a hindu and I do not object to 'total westernisation' of women. However, you have to prove that westernization means sexualisation of women and does not mean playing with many girlfriends. Irony of all ironies."
    This crackpot Dewanand is right, here. Sexualization of women is not right either. You, shrek, might be the victim of Indian media's propaganda which is silently spreading western culture. West too treats its women like sex objects.

  11. Ah…. aha

  12. prity

    Plz dont call Mr. Ali Sina a prophet and thereby ruin his noble mission. I am sure he himself will never agree someone to call him by a name which has generated hatred and fear for the mankind for 1400 years.

    Love you all humans

  13. "Back then, it was perfectly normal for a girl at young age to marry. We know this because before Aisha was married to the Holy Prophet (S), she was engaged to someone else"

    What about now Mr. Bassam Zawadi? in the year 2012? is it perfectly normal? will you allow a 50+ man to consummate marriage on your own 9 year old daughter even he is a cult leader? I am sure, if Aysha was your daughter, you would not said what you argued above.

    And, if this practice is not normal now, which was "perfectly normal" in a 7th century barbaric society, then it is obvious that the quran and sunna that you claim to be of all times…is perfectly inapplicable, at least for a twenty 1st century civil society, which eventually disclaims the divine origin of quran and sunna.

  14. Dear Mr. Abdullah,
    Pl. forgive Ms. Sultana. After all she was a muslimah. You pl. rub your shoe on the face of this insane Ali Sina. Otherwise he may bring all less intelligent Muslims(though less in number) out of Islam.
    Pl. save Islam with all your friends in full force here by accepting his challenge.

    Yours

    Mierchee

  15. Any man who sleeps with a child is a pedophile, we can forgive the people who did this in the past because they did not know any better, but a prophets job is show people the right way to live and set a good example, not to follow the norms of a backwards society. This alone proves Muhammad was not a prophet as he did the opposite of what a Prophet is supposed to do. If you think an old man who put his genatalia between the legs of a nine year old girl is the greatest man to have ever lived and a man we should emulate everyday then seriously need help!

  16. I don't normally comment on such things as I find them slashed with ignorance but I am inclined, if I recall this wasn't a thing that only the prophet Muhammad(may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did it was the norm for many men in the old periods one example can be taken in regards to the Christians and the pagans from the book The Age of Roman Girls at Marriage by M. K. Hopkins they would marry there girls between 13 & 16 and the aristocratic circle from the age of 12, but most girls from the historic times where married before puberty! And recently Pope has said the child rape back in the 70's are ok. So its not right to pinpoint one man from the historical period but more to look at all

  17. yet again proof? ….

  18. Any proof?

    …thought not.

  19. Good One.

    The problem is with Hadis(word of man or men) & not Quran (word of God).

    The age of Aisha was mentioned in Hadis with only name of bukhari as it's credibility.

  20. What's your point? Are you trying to say it's ok for Muhammad to rape a child because other people have also done the sane?

  21. According to the Oxford Dictionary Bible and Wikipedia the fact is that Mary was only 11 years old and Joseph was a widower at 90 years of age. Joseph’s other grown up sons from his first marriage were living in the same house with their dad Joseph and his new 11 year old bride Mary.

    Mary’s first child was Jesus who is believed to be Gods biologically begotten son. Joseph and Mary had other children together after that. If this happened today with a 90 year old man and a 12 year old girl he would have been accused of being a Paedophile although it was very normal for girls then to get married at around 10 years of age. There must be no primary secondary or university education then and no other careers available for women and where average life span was only 30.
    This is why the Vatican today has a age of consent 12 for girls even today

  22. ChristianityExposed
    Sunday 1 April 2012, 4:08 pm

    Joseph was 90 when he married Mary, that makes him a peadophile. The holy spirit impregnated Mary when she was 12, Your God must be a peadophile too.

  23. making up un-truths about christians won't change any of the facts – you're only going on the attack because your position is impossible to defend.

  24. You call him a liar, Abdullah, the slave of allah? Quite naturally you'd give your 6 year old daughter in marriage to a dirty old man of 56. I hope you'd never have any daughters, though! Whenever I see 9 year olds, I get angry at that child-rapist, who brought to this world such a hate filled sick religion!

  25. So how is this relevant ….is the entire Christian Church promoting marriage and sex of 6 & 9 year old girls today on the massive scale that Islam does?? No one cares if Joseph was a pedophile anymore he's dead …but as Ali Sina said TODAY there are millions of young pre-pubescant muslim girls being handed over to old men for marriage and sex and its all approved under Islam

  26. Sir,

    "The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I guarantee a house in Paradise for one who gives up arguing, even if he is in the right." [Riyad us Saliheen #630]."

    I have a problem with this quotation, and it is this: here Mohamad has given a guarantee – a personal guarantee no less – to all and sundry; but how many houses are there in "Paradise"? and how many of them are at Mohamad's disposal? and how can it be that Mohamad is entitled to dispose of them in this way? and where is Allah in all this and does he have a say in the matter? can Mohamad overrule Allah when disposing of the houses? Reading the quotation literally, its seems that Mohamad has innumerable houses in "Paradise" or he can do with any house there as he pleases, whatever Allah may do or say.

    Frankly, when I read the Koran and Hadiths, I often get the impression that Allah and Mohamad are one and the same entity: obey one, you obey the other; disobey one, you disobey the other; please one, you please the other; anger one, you anger the other.

  27. A very excellently created article you’ve got here. If only all writers provided the same written content just like you, the world wide web would have been a significantly better area. Make sure you continue the great job!

  28. It’s Indonesian, of course you missed it. xD

  29. To know the difference you should refute it using the same method. Now, is the mouth ready to stop and let the proof go? ;)

  30. Having knowledge of psychology and claiming to have knowledge is a big difference.

    Relating present era words to 7th century is not based on facts it is just name calling

    -JSOP

  31. I see I missed the inside joke. But coming from a Muslim, I should be honored since Muhammad had such a high recommendation for it.

  32. She just insulted you, John. ;)

  33. A clear guidance should not leave any opening to assumption. :p

    Even if there are assumptions lying around everywhere, it only means one thing, the guidance is man made and the true answer is buried forever. o.0

  34. I'm sure they say the same about you, but it's really irrelevant to our work. We base our analysis on the Quran, Hadith and Sira in a non-denominational way.

  35. "i can 100 % tell that u have never read the quran as a whole john k"

    That's your first mistake. How many more of your ideas are wrong? It would appear that you are the one doing all the assuming. However, if anyone was to engage in the risky business of assuming, we might more safely assume that you have not fully read the Quran because any decent person who knows what is in the Quran will be ashamed to be called a Muslim.

    We operate on fact-based analysis here. I know that is a foreign concept in your culture, but believe me it works better than your supremacist-based paradigm. If you think you know more, you can issue a challenge on this page:
    http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/

  36. denials mr K. u must be a great supporter.but just for your info.shia is not islam.some of their schollars dont even know how to read the quran.

  37. if u read the quran to find something contradicting in it then u will never understad it.u people read passages and assume.that's all u people have done.assume.i can 100 % tell that u have never read the quran as a whole john k@john kencing

  38. I know. I was just being a pill for our muslima friend above.

  39. I meant he was an ex shia but rarely talks about it. :p

  40. Anyway, Dr. Sina is not a Muslim. He is an ex-Muslim.

  41. Irrelevant response again. How many times you have posted this kind of nonsense? The only judge I use is the Islamic source. Muhammad himself split his followers into groups and different interpretations split it more into sects.

    You do realize that your fellow brother above didn’t agree with you?

  42. You are very narrowed minded, you know. The important thing is not the money but this site's presence. The money is just incentive. ;)

    Sure, you can laugh but everyone knows who can't answer. xD

    If any problem can be solved with just laughing the world will be perfect. o.0

  43. Sina almost never talks about Shia. ;)

  44. Good. Talk to us about these passages in the Quran and Sunna that show Muhammad was:

    a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
    a pedophile a lecher a torturer
    a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
    a terrorist a madman a looter http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

    Just click on each word to see the selections from the Quran and Sunna. You will not be a Muslim anymore after you see what they say.

  45. If there was little knowledge of Islam you should be able to refute the arguments easily, but all you offer is your derogatory remarks and air of Muslim supremacism.

  46. All Muslims are Muslims you are not the Judge of all Muslims (playing God)

    People should just called themselves Muslims rather then labelling themselves different names and pointing fingers at each other of being none Muslims

    Yes this site it not based on facts at all as they are trying to say all Muslims are the same as each other and is stereotyping an entire religion and is greatly insulting to all Muslims

    -JSOP

  47. Nope.not interested in ur money.allah swt will reward me here on earth and in the after-life.im having a good laugh seeing non believers argue with very little knowledge in islam.

  48. Hi….mr farid yes u r right we should doa that this bastard get's a punishment from allah swt.btw mr john k doa is the most powerful thing for a muslim.it means pray to alllah swt.we sont need to go around talking bad about other religion,we just need to pray.ooh ya btw i m a muslim woman born as a muslim.altho i was basically living the western way of life until some time back i came to realise and repent and i felt peaceful eversince.oh n another thing bcoz i was living the western way of life previously…i got pregnant out of wedlock n u knw wht my dad being a pious muslim,did not kill me or beat me or even cursed me.he asked me for MY decision and he loves my child.being a person that has experienced this act of kindness 1sthand i am now wondering where ali sina got his stories about the prophet muhammad saw.was it from the media and hearsay?becoz i read hadiths n the quran n as a women i've never found anything like what ali sina is trying to portray the prophet muhammad saw as.he was a shia anyway so shia in islam is a not a path in islam.and shiaas dont know islam.hell their debaters dont even know the contents of the quran.

  49. Bring your arguments here. You can get a $50,000 reward too. Then we will see who leaves laughing.

  50. http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/faithfreedom-w

    read up…a muslim answers bacfk sina's disputes on islam and that too,with facts.people are laughing at you sina.hahahah.

  51. Hello Farid,

    You are following the typical Muslim pattern of not having anything you can say to prove your position, so you resort to insults.

    Actually, your appeal to prove how powerful Muslims are by praying for something bad to happen to Dr. Sina should prove to you that Islam is false, and that there is no Allah, and that Muhammad has deceived and cheated all of you Muslims.

    But you can see factual evidence if you read the articles on this site, or if you ask Dr. Sina for a free copy of his book, or if you read The Challenge. There is actually a $50,000 reward if you can prove any of these attributes of Muhammad are false. Just click on each word to see an introduction to the evidence:

    a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
    a pedophile a lecher a torturer
    a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
    a terrorist a madman a looter
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

    So you can see there are many paths open to you to see the truth. Learn the truth, and the truth will set you free.

    Even if you don't like it, you can collect $50,000 along the way!

  52. Salam to the most stupid baatard in th whole univers.ypur brain is full of shit n u dont know what u re.talking about.to all muslims lets show tis bastard how powerfull th doat of a muslim.lets pray so tis man will be condemm with disease of pain that it is so unbearable that he will take hos own life.i now call all muslims to th hajat while solat tahjut to deatroy tis man.allah huakhbar…

  53. Off course lots daughters had made lot drink wine and had relationship with their father. You know God did not say it was ok daughter. God cursed them! The elder got him drunk to facilitate the deed and conceived Moab. The younger daughter did the same and conceived a son named Ben-Ammi, who became ancestor to the Ammonites.T oday the country known as Moab does not exist, the area that was Moab during Biblical times is now part of Jordan and Ammonite largely settle in Syria. Both are Muslim countries. When you read Bible and present the facts check the whole story before you throw mud on others.

  54. Thank you Sina, god bless you I believe you are the best hope for mankind with evil Islam in fast growth all over the world.

  55. These hadith are better:

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.h

    A Quran verse also implies it because it discusses the waiting period when divorcing pre-pubescent girls:
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/10/child-bri

    There are numerous fatwas allowing even thighing of infants. Google is your friend.

  56. That's beautiful. Thanks.

  57. 'You will never find a single hindu who has read hindu books support islam.'

    I correct it by saying:
    You will never find a single hindu who has read hindu and islamic books support islam.

  58. dewanand,
    Here's a sanskrit shoka (verse) for you:

    Maha Upanishad Chapter 6, Verse 72:

    ‘ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam
    udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam’

    ‘Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger.
    For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.’

  59. 3. Why do you say that you do not want total westernisation of India? Were you an Indian before you migrated to Holland? Are you a 1st generation Indian who hasn't seen India? Why are you not concerned about Holland and rather India? I have been born and brough up in India and I have travelled all over India. Why are you not coming back to India and stay as you wish. In Holland you cannot escape westernisation. No hindus (whether they are religious or not), no other religion's followers except muslims say the things you just said. Nobody betrays the country where they are (whether they are religious or not).

    4. If you were a fundamentalist hindu and had read hindu scriptures and books, you wouldn't want to support islam. You will be opposing islam. You will never find a single hindu who has read hindu books support islam. This is the only religion hindus oppose the most. The only hindus who support islam are the ones who do not have any clue about their own religion.

  60. dewanand,
    you say:
    'I and many of my hindu girlfriends cannot accept this and we do not want total Westernization of INdia and islamic world.'

    'This is interesting for me as a Hindu, because westernization leads to sexualisation of all Hindu women and many Hindus object to this.'

    As an Indian hindu, let me tell you some funny points about you and your statements.

    1. If you are a hindu writer and researcher, you should be critical and serious about your religion. If you are that, believe me and believe the hindu scriptures, you yourself will not play with girlfriends.

    2. I am a hindu and I do not object to 'total westernisation' of women. However, you have to prove that westernization means sexualisation of women and does not mean playing with many girlfriends. Irony of all ironies.

  61. My goodness! dewanand!

    a 'Hindu writer and researcher' from Holland writes a book 'Koran: forbid or rewrite? A guide for peaceful deislamicization'.
    For heaven's sake you couldn't write a book on hinduism's evils when you are so eager to almost equate hinduism and islam? Why not convert to islam and forbid or rewrite Koran yourself?

    Either dewanand is a hindu who hasn't ever been serious and critical about his own religion even a single day in his life or he is a muslim (which seems to be more probable).

  62. You can get an introduction to the topic in the Hadith:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.h

    A Quran verse implies it because it discusses the waiting period when divorcing pre-pubescent girls:
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/10/child-bri

    There are numerous fatwas allowing even thighing of infants. Google is your friend.

  63. where in the Quran it says that its okay to have sex with pre-pubscent girls??

  64. Doesn't accept Muhammad as a pedophile and calls Joseph a pedophile? That's turning the world upside down in typical Muslim fashion.

  65. Source kiddo, it's no use to behave like a troll over nothing. Like I've told you, give me authenticity and reference plus rule of marriage. Simple, isn't it unless you are some kind of imbecile just like your biblical verses. :D

  66. Gandhiji has made mistakes and sometimes he has made blunder decisions by unnecessary favouring Muslims even in the exchange of Hindu's cause.I also is not agreed with the work he had done with Netaji Subhash by compelling him to quit from the Party President or when he chosen Nehru inspite of much support were behind Sardar Patel.But we can not forget his contribution also.Non-Violence is a type of movement which brought all Indians to come out( though the post-WW2 condition also helped) to get Independence.As his personal life is concerned,he is not now anymore,no one is is following him and it is not the place to discuss it.So please don't waste much time in irrevelant topics.

  67. This is not the best way to justify your uncle Mo's criminal activities. Read the book!

  68. Yes I see he has removed all the articles he had written against me. I can't even find my name in that site anymore. I hope the author has waken up and has realized Islam is a lie.

  69. Stop spouting drivel on Mahatma. Educated people discuss armed with solid references. In your case, I see none. Your opinions resemble the likes of all ignorant muslim posters here. Mahatma was killed by a fanatic hindu boy. Are you related to him by any chance? If you are , then Mahatma has forgiven you. Let him lay in peace! Comparing Hitler with Gandhi; you must be a very crazy and stupid man on this earth.
    I so no difference between a fanatic and a fanatic muslim. They both kill!!!

  70. The link does not exist. It returns an error: Error 404: Page not found
    I am sure the muslim server is up and running because the ultimate muslim ad is flushing on top of the page: "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger".
    What a joke!!

  71. LOL sounds like you are having fun with this one.

  72. Joseph was 90 when he married Mary who was 12, so he must be a peadophile too.

  73. Joseph was 90 when he married 12 year old Mary. He must be a Peadophile too.

  74. A sign of frustration. :D

  75. A reference about that will help you. Do you have it or not? If you have only statement then it's useless. ;)

  76. the old groom in the picture didnt even took a bath on the day of his wedding.

  77. "14 century 8 or 9 or 11 years old was big not small little girl because time has change". If aisha was a "big girl" then why muhammed asked her father`s permission to marry her? Futhermore what about the muslim pedophiles who sinse muhammed married a six year old think it is okay, should they be prosecuted? I think it is much better if you just condoned anything muhammed did, becuse we are not people who will fooled by your lies. At least i will know where i stand with you then if you`re a muslim just say it.

  78. ali sina is big brainwashed by zionist zionist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. 21 century that 8 or 11 year old will small or little girl,

    14 century 8 or 9 or 11 years old was big not small little girl because time has change , all muslim know that but no muslim dont know it

  80. The point is, that Muhammad allegedly received messages from the almighty, omniscient, omnipresent God as he said and as muslims believe. And since God remained silent during Muhammad's marrying of Aisha, one has to assume that God had no objections to a 50-year old man marrying and having sex with a 9-year-old, otherwise God would have sent a revelation to Muhammad telling him that marrying a child is haram – like eating pork, to which God obviously had more objections than to having sex with a child. Thus, according to Islam, God explicitly bans humans from eating pork but not from marrying and having sex with a child. So one has to believe that God either has nothing against child abuse – what muslims obviously believe for to this very day it is o.k. within the muslim community to marry a child – or Muhammad was an impostor who NEVER received any "messages from God" or from "an angel" but fabricated the quran himself, for God would have explicitly told Muhammad that sexual abuse of a child is much worse than eating pork.

    It's either or.

    EITHER according to Islam it is perfectly o.k. with God to marry and have sex with a child – for God remained silent during Muhammad's marriage with Aisha and did NOT send down a revelation to ban that practise once and for all – like God allegedly banned eating pork once and for all.

    OR Muhammad never ever received any "message" from God resp. an "angel" but Muhammad in actuality was a fraud who cooked up the quran and his alleged "prophecy" himself.

    But muslims cannot have both ways.

  81. Nope, read again what I’m really saying. Key word: repetition. You just keep missing my point again and again but accusing me instead. Check the discussion here and in article, Aisha child bride of Muhammad. Check my reply to Isaac Wood, Auntie Ihsan (both doesn’t believe 9 years old Aisha, Marwan (who believe 9 years old Aisha) and other muslims ( who tried to justify it) plus a Hindu (who tried to neutralize it). Your post is the same.

    Also, look again the present limit, it's not a pedophilia.

  82. Missed my point what I was trying to say

    The age of Aisha is debatable (No Shia's are not liars like Ali says)

    Early Royals in Europe use to have arrange marriages from birth when they came to age they married them.
    That also meant marriage to older royals, but they married them when they came to the age of 13-14 (of cause that is not how it is today)

    No paedophilia is not legal but at that time it was normal for those to marry at a young age (Marriage for love and sexual desires are a different thing ) look at history please

    Very bad thing to say Muslims are paedophiles without looking at other religions or cultures (that includes in this day and age)

    Regards Jakob

  83. Attracting to child under 13 can be called pedophile.. That list is no where near it. You just repeat the discussion here. Try to read from the start. The point is:

    1. Muhammad was a pedophile
    2. Muhammad was the best example
    4. Pedophilia is legal
    5. Muslim who likes it can do it.

  84. I tried to point this out also but they will just ignore it

    They seem to forget that at that time all cultures and religions were doing this.

    For example Muta was there to limit wives to only a select number meaning take them as wife's not as concubines

    All religions and cultures married young (that does not mean they were paedophiles and liked under age wife's)

    Even currently the age for consent is:
    Albania 14
    Andorra,16,
    Armenia 16,Austria 14
    Azerbaijan 16
    Belarus 16
    Belgium 16
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 14
    Bulgaria 14
    Croatia 14
    Cyprus 16-18
    Northern Cyprus 16
    Czech Republic 15
    Denmark 15
    Faroe Islands 15
    Estonia 14
    Finland 16
    France 15
    Georgia 16
    Germany 14
    Greece 15
    Hungary 14
    Iceland 15-16
    Ireland 17
    Italy 14
    Latvia 16
    Liechtenstein 14
    Lithuania 16
    Luxembourg 16
    Macedonia 15-16
    Malta 18
    Moldova 16
    Monaco 15
    Montenegro 14
    Netherlands 16
    Norway 16
    Svalbard 16
    Poland 15
    Portugal 14
    Romania 15
    Russia 16
    San Marino 14
    Serbia 14
    Slovakia 15
    Slovenia 15
    Spain 13
    Sweden 15
    Switzerland 16
    Turkey 18
    Ukraine 16
    England and Wales 16-18
    Scotland 16
    Northern Ireland 16
    Akrotiri and Dhekelia 16
    Gibraltar 16
    Guernsey (Including Alderney, Herm and Sark) 16
    Isle of Man 16
    Jersey 16
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_E

    Marriage at a young age is different then using a under age person for sexual desires

    No need to make out all Muslims are paedophiles I suggest you look else where and you will find who the paedophiles really are.

    Regards Jakob

  85. Wow… if any Muslim are think like you, the Muslim world will be on peace. So now from you I learned that the Shiite and Wahabi had hijack your religion – Islam and did some wrong action on humanity.

    But the main problems was why they did such action??? So we try to invite you to debate so you can bring light to our black dark mind for Islam. Maybe after all we know that Islam was not so bad?? Until know, I read and read and read the whole Koran and I found only psycho-war technique, war techniques, plot techniques, brainwash techniques, and terror techniques.

    I read and special learn about war strategy, intelligent strategy, the tactics, politics and so on and I believe every politician will admire Mohammad as great politician and strategist but bad humanist.

    For me, he like evil to bible version truth…but it like God to barbaric version truth.

    And its up to you, do you want to learn and discuss or you will blindly living on truth hiding Koran.

    Cover it up to us, will you??

  86. They are so stupids when they find excuse for their fuhren muhammad,the man from satan.

    He had NO GUTS to merry his doughter when she was 9 years old,then morons cliamed that in desert he had to merry her.so why NOT ADOPTING HER!!!

    Yah,right,becouse of the catostrof of his adopted son,he forbidd the adoption,lol!!
    Khadijah would NOT allow him so this mean,not even in desert they were allow to do anything they want.

  87. I've been saying pretty much the same as Ali Sina for years, simply by reading the quran and the hadith, then when i read Ali Sina's works, i though thank GOODNESS i wasnt the only one. Oh and as for all those sheiks and Mullers who translate and try to explain the Hadith and quran, well they dont need to, because the Hadith and Quran TRANSLATE THEMSELVES, making excuses just makes it worse.

  88. Welcome to join the rest of humanity and the army of ex-Muslims.

  89. intresting one

  90. 1 Definition of Pedophilia

    2 Primary Articles Exploring Islam’s Relationship with Pedophilia

    2.1 Pedophilia in the Qur’an

    2.2 Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile

    2.3 Do Some Islamic Sources say Aisha was Really 17 or 18 Years Old?

    2.4 Muhammad’s Companions and Pedophilia

    2.5 Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages

    3 Other Important Articles

    3.1 The Meaning of ‘Consummate’

    3.2 Islamic Writing and Pedophilia

    3.3 The Harmful effects of Abuse, Documented in Islamic Scripture

    3.4 Pedophilia and the Tu Quoque Defence

    3.5 Muhammad a Pedophile? Another Look

    3.6 Proof that Aisha was Still Pre-pubescent Aged Fifteen

    4 See Also

    5 External Links

    6 References

    please click here>>>>> http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophili

  91. Dear Isaac/Marshalcolli,
    As far as i can remember, there are six or seven sahih hadiths and maybe more from Imam Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud that explicitly state Aisha was six and nine when Muhammad married and consummated her not to mention narrated by herself.
    These hadiths are mutawatir (corroborated). This is where i stand.
    Can you show me just one sahih hadith that says otherwise, or at least give one that says Aisha was sexually mature?
    I’m sorry, i know you are defending Muhammad. But you are denying the obvious here my friend. That is why nobody paid attention. Your argument is naturally handicapped.

  92. The lack of scientific knowledge to recognize the disorders at the time of Muhammad does not mean they did not exist. Would you say that no one in Muhammad's time was sick because germs were not discovered until much later?

  93. Congratulations Rania.

  94. Hi Ronia,

    I am glad to hear that and thank you for letting the world know. Now it's your turn to help others. If each ex-Muslim help a few Muslims to see the light, in a very short time we will defeat this lie and set the world free. No one can do this for us. It is our responsibility to free our people.

  95. Dear Ali Sina,
    After I read your book understanding Muhammad, I am 100% sure to leave islam. Thank you! I always have all this questions that u have discussed in this page, but none of my religious teacher willing to answer. All they can say you cant think too much, it will lead you to evil thought. T guess they just dont have the answers. I am glad I'm no longer Muslim, I could just concentrate making the most of my life now (being a good human) than worries the afterworld.

  96. Isaac,
    Here is my base of argument:
    Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Sahih Bukhari 8.151).
    Here are my logics:
    1. Sahih Bukhari
    2. Aisha narrated herself that she was nine
    3. 17-18 year olds do not normally play dolls
    4. Quran says it is OKAY to have sex with pre-pubscent girls
    So, what the problem is?

  97. Mr. ALI SINA please throw some light on these:

    Logical & Mathematical Proof of Aisha's age

    1. The age of Prophet Mohammed was 35 years when Fatima (daughter from Khadija – first wife) was born.
    2. Aisha was 5 years younger than Fatima.
    3. Prophet Muhammed married Aisha at the age of 52.
    4. Faitma would then be 17 years old.
    5. Aisha should be 12 years old.
    6. Aisha was born in Jahhiliyyah (age of ignorance), that could be any where before 610A.D
    7. Prophet Muhammed was 52 years old when married her. Thus Aisha should be atleast 12 years Old.
    8. Asma (elder sister of Aisha) was 10 years older than Aisha.
    9. Asma died in 73 hijri at the age of 100 years. In this case she could be 27 or 28 years old during the first Hijri. Thus Aisha must be 17 or 18 years.

  98. Most Muslims accept that Aishah was born in the 4th year of the Prophethood, ie 614 CE. This would mean that she was therefore only 6 years old at the time of her nikah (ie. official marriage) to the Prophet, with the physical consummation of their marriage when she was 9 years old. Needless to say, the controversy over the dates for Aishah’s birth and death affect the data concerning her birth and her age on her marriage to the Prophet.
    All authorities discussing the birth of Aishah take as the origin of their information one specific hadith recorded by Hisham b. Urwah, the son of Aishah’s own nephew Urwah. In it, Hisham stated that she was born in the fourth year of Prophethood – ie 614. This is taken as absolutely reliable information.
    The problem arises when it is realized that the same recorder, Hisham, also stated that she died at the age of 67 in 672/52, after a widowhood of 40 years. Take a moment to do the maths, and one sees that if Hisham is correct that she died in 672, she would only have been 58 when she died and not 67. Therefore, either his date for her birth or his date for her death must be wrong, they cannot both be correct. If it was true that she was 67 when she died in 672, then she was born in 605.
    It has also, alternatively, been said that she was 73 when she died. If she was 73 in 678 she was born in 605, and if she was 73 in 672 she was born in 599. All this affects her part in the narrative of the Prophet’s (pbuh) life in that if she was born in 614, then she would have been 6 when her nikah was performed, 9 in the year of her full marriage, and 17/18 when the Prophet (pbuh) died. But if she was born four years before the Prophethood, she would have been 15/16 at her nikah, 19 at her full marriage, and 27/28 when he died, and would have been 67 if her death was in 672/52, or 72-3 if she died in 678. Other sources claim she was five years younger than Fatimah, who was born 5 years before Prophethood. In this case Aishah would have been born in 610, and have been 10 at her nikah, 13/14 at marriage, 22 when he died and 62 when she died. (Unfortunately, Fatimah’s dates are also disputed). According to Ibn Umar, Aishah died on Tuesday 17th Ramadan 58/July 13th 678 at the age of either 64 or 66/67, which would mean she was born either in 614 or 611. If Ibn Umar’s dates are correct, and Aishah died in 678/58 at the age of 64, then she was indeed born in 614. Yet Aishah was claimed to have been one of the first children to accept Islam, and possibly the 19th person overall to have done so (Sirah, Ibn Hisham p.163) This would not be possible if she was not born until 614. Neither would she have been able to state, as recorded by Bukhari, that she remembered the revelation of Surah 54 (al-Qamar) coming when she was ‘quite grown up’ or ‘a playful girl’ (Bukhari 6.399) – since this revelation was given in c615, which would make her a year-old babe if she was only born in 614! I have preferred the date of 606 for her birth. The full case is argued in my booklet ‘Hazrat Aishah, A study of her age at the time of her marriage’, IPCI, Birmingham,1996).

  99. Dear Mr. Sina the psychological and personality disorders that you are trying to associate With Mohammad pbuh were not even discovered at that time.I appreciate that you have a lot of bookish knowledge in History and Psychology and your story creating power and manipulating the things is so good.If I diagnose you with more than ten psychilogical and mental disorders then what would be the credibility of your research and words. Human psychology also depends on culture and environment. So you acquire the norms and values in kind of culture you live. You were not physically present when all these incidents were happening. There is always a space that wrong and misperceived history could pass on. You said that Mohammad pbuh raided and looted Jewish wealth and property. Did you ever try to research that Jews of that time were famous for accumulating wealth and RIBA . In this economic setup the basic needs of the disadvantaged members of the society were not fulfilled . You also said that most of the followers of Mohammad were weak,old and rejected members of their clans and tribes. That social injustice was balanced by a divine power through Mohammad and these dusadvantaged people were given their share and status amongst those ignorant Arabs and Jews. Let’s look at the current scenario and see that how zionists are have most of the wealth and they are sponsoring the major wars. They have a standard to make nations weak and to control all the means and modes of production. What is the consequence of this evil setup that people in Africa and Somalia are dying of Hunger and I am wondering that you never said a word about this evil socioeconomic setup that is killing human race directly . you said Mohammad fought with wealthy mighty and powerful Jews. If he would have been luscious why would he risk hid life in uhud and other battles that he fought himself not like kings who stay behind their army but like a true warrior at the front.

  100. The claim that Abu Bakr and Umar poisoned Muhammd is absolutely unsubstantiated. Anyone who reads the biography of Muhammad and is familiar with what happened during those early years knows this claim is absurd. Shiism is a lie within another lie. It is truely a ridiculous faith.

  101. I am always amazed at the circular reasoning of Moslems. They begin with the blinkers of blind faith that Mohammed was ‘perfect’…therefore he could not be a sexual pervert or mentally ill.

    The evidence is in their own writings that Mohammed was totally out of his mind and an embarrassment to his community. I believe with the Shi’ites that Abu Bakr and Omar poisoned Mohammed and covered the evidence by burying him under the bed where the murder took place. Then they quickly rallied their allies to support Abu Bakr and a war of session immediately began.

    Omar apparently thought of himself as more moral than Mohammed and called himself ‘farooq’ (the redeemer).

  102. Yo, yo, yo. This argument is already discussed in this very page. Why repeat it? Beside, if you think that he was just a man of his time that means he is no longer valid at our time since we are progressing. Take it generally and you'll get that Quran is also invalid for our time. What should you do? Throw this 7th century book out.

  103. @ Asim

    The Arabs at the time of Muhammad were barbarians and Muhammad followed their barbaric tradition of marrying a child. So it shows Muhammad is in no different from those barbaric Arabs and was a barbarian like them. Then, why the hell Muslims follow a barbaric beast as a perfect example for all the times and all the places?

  104. \”women were treated like animals back then, but the prophet(pbuh) elevated their status. \”

    The reverse is true. Muhammad denigrated women. The Arab women prior to Islam had much higher status.
    http://alisina.org/women-before-and-after-islam/

    Islam is sustained by lies. Everything they teach is a lie.

  105. Pedophilia was never socially acceptable. But let us assume that you are right and it was acceptable at the time of Muhammad. The question is whether marring a little child is a good thing. It is certainly not a thing we want to practice in this day and age. It is harmful to the child, both physically and psychologically. So assuming the ignorant Arabs at the time of Muhammad were practicing this evil tradition, you say Muhammad did what the ignorant people of his time were doing and hence it is poor scholarship to blame him. Did Muhammad come to emulate the bad practices of the ignorant people or set an example for them? He followed their bad examples and told his followers to follow his example. By extension all Muslims of all times will do those bad things.

    This is simple to understand. Muhammad told his followers to follow his example and he followed the bad practices of the ignorant people of his time. So those bad practices became divine laws for all times an all mankind.

    If I hadn’t proven Muhammad to be a liar a thousand times, only this argument is enough to show the man was an impostor.

    \”Why would they follow him if he was such a terrible person. \”
    The answer to this question is given in my book. Once you read Understanding Muhammad, all your questions will be answered. Not a single person who read my book has remained a believer.

  106. Hi I am a recent revert to islam.

    I am not sure what the point of your posts are, Ali. After all its not like muslims who live today (and I know plenty) would practice marital rape or "paedophilia".

    You must realize that culture changes through the ages. Perhaps what the prophet(pbuh) did was socially acceptable for his time and place.

    It is poor scholarship to judge him by the standards that we have today.

    In my estimation given the time and place and development of society, the rampant and powerful patriarchal arrangement of society back then, the prophet (pbuh) was a mercy and blessing to his people.

    Why would they follow him if he was such a terrible person.

    You are right, women were treated like animals back then, but the prophet(pbuh) elevated their status.

    In my estimation, judging the prophet(pbuh) by todays standards is an academic error.

  107. Er, you still didn't do what I asked. Provide evidence and read mine in this page, it's there already. Why is it so hard to do this simple thing? Wahabbist is not blasphemer? Why? I've shown you but you didn't read. Suicide bombing is not a sin. Why? Again I've shown you but still you didn't read.

    About your English, it is an advice so that the readers can understand you better. If you started to shrug off all advices you'd become stubborn. Being an Arab doesn't mean you can't learn or do something about that.

    For your information, I read Quran and concluded it after I checked many supportive information about its meaning.

    You are telling me that Ahmed is your name, but I don't buy it. Why? It's because you don't show your identity card. It's that simple, kid.

  108. Ahmad, i think it is GREAT that you think bombing yourselves is a big sin.
    If you go to Saudi and shout out loud that Wahabbists are blasphemous they will have your head FOR SURE.
    It won’t matter anyway. I personally think either Shias or Wahabbists are just as Islam as Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah (Sunni).
    But you have not been providing evidence to anything. Sorry to say that you are kinda ranting mindlessly.
    Read more of everything that is being laid down before your eyes.
    Read around first. Then talk, provide some form of evidence for the sake of argument.
    And don’t worry about your English, my friend. We’ll ask if we don’t understand you.
    A little advice though. Maybe you should have someone who you think is more knowledgeable of Islam. Just to provide a little more details or evidence for you regarding a rebuttal.
    Make sure to visit
    forum09.faithfreedom.org
    just to exchange dialogue in an in-depth manner.
    Good luck, Ahmad :)

  109. sanada , your must think , yesss im talking about quran, but you people are bringing explaintion of quran and picture of islam mostly from wahabi and shiites , these people are blasphemers , you cant take from them. i have told and brought evidence on what wahabi have manipluted in quran , sanada dude , dont teach me my religon , you dont know nothing , bombing ourselve is big sinn and your telling that it's not a sinn, well i dont know but as if im telling my name is ahmad and your telling no your name is john , dont be sttaborn , see your insisting of bring lies to islam , and alright my english is weak , so what? im arab , give a break dude . and yes their is an agenda with mohammad ben abed al wahabi ( the head of wahabi) with the british vatican , learn to listen , prophet muhammad told us islamic knowledge comes from recieving , you cant open quran and start explaining the way you want ,

  110. I've done that. To be called a muslim is simple. Go read first.

    I never insulted you, kid. Quote my words that insulting you. You have to bring evidence for anything you say here.

    Oh, I never call you good or bad because I don't know you personally. One thing I know is that Islam is evil.

    PS: What's happened to Lot or cursed cross? Ops.

  111. Remember, we are talking about Quran not Wahabi. They just do what Quran told them to do. Suicide is a sin, but "suicide" bomber is not, I see you still didn't read anything. Uh, and please fix your English please.

  112. Woa, wait a minute kid. You are putting my words into your mouth. I never said that you insulted me, I said that your post is empty. BTW, I am already human, being sarcastic is human quality, being angry is human quality and certainly, lying and putting other man's word into your own is human quality, beside I am already listening to you and I see no evidence at all. Kid, you don't understand what a human is and capable of.

    Dude, that's your interpretation and just because their interpretation is different from you doesn't make them blasphemer. What you need to do is proving your interpretation. Here's the list.

    I'll give a quick comparison, Ahmadi is a blasphemer while Wahabi is not.

    Wahabi is Zionist now? Prove it. Everything bad must comes from Jews, eh? Bird flu is Jewish conspiracy, swine flu too.

  113. Ahmad,
    Whoa, slow down dear Ahmad.
    You can’t bring up a witness to say that Ayesha was already sexually matured when she married Muhammad. Ayesha and Muhammad lived ages ago. That would be “bearing false testimony” right?
    That’s why we have now the Quran, Ahadeeth and Sira’ to prove a point.

  114. btw this is one blasphous belive there are many , trust me you dont know anything about islam , i have seen many groups and debates and rational thinking and referrence till i meet the the group which is Al sunna w al jamaa, btw many people believe to be sunni like oussma but they arent , it's a blasphemey if i said that oussma is sunni or muslim , you cant say his muslim , dont be influenced with the media and what they show about us , we are good people, sanada try to listen , insults wont lead you to anything good , we can insult eachothers all day long we wont reach to a conclusion , btw faithfreedom has brought sheikhs who are wahabi so dont listen to them

  115. they are ,making islam a bad picture , most them hurt wives and bomb and etc…., and sanada dont teach me my religon bombing ourselves is a big sinn , because its's suicide , happy now . and wait for tommorw i will go to mosque to bring the witness about Aisha ,

  116. Alright , but sanada please im not insulting you , so please listen and try to act like human . Oussma has many blasphemous believes
    1) wahabi who believe themselves to be sunni but they arent ,they belive that God established himself above the throne , this is blasphemey , they took aya from quran and explained it the way they want استوى على العرش means that God took control or seized the throneand it doesnt mean that God sits on the throne . and why its blasphemey to say that God is sitting on the throne because God has no instance ليس كمثله شيىء so nothing is like God , God is not like his creatures , the creature exist in a place . and God is not like his creature only God is eternal has no begining and God doesnt change and before he created the place he was no place , this is why oussma is blasphemer , btw wahabi is an zionism project , they paid people to pretend to be sheikhs to maniplute in the islam to make islam weak , because the true believe can bring victory and success to muslims , btw wahabi is very strong http://www.quran.cm is for them , they have lot of money and channels on tv , and etc….

  117. If this is not a rant, what is it then?

  118. Irrelevant because the verse doesn't say what you say. Come on, the reference please.

  119. Done that too. Read this site. Hey, wait a minute. You seems familiar….

  120. Er, listening to a mouth only, doesn't bring anything. Evidence will do the case nicely. For example, prove to me that Osama is a blasphemer using Quran and hadith, er, mind you that I've dealt with this if you bother to read this site thoroughly.

    If you want muslim's perspective you should go here and don't forget to bring reference.

  121. Oh please, I'm just stating fact, remember? Source is what you need, not your mouth, ok. Why I say what I say? It's because you don't read anything and the info you are looking for is in this page already. Therefore, I am not sarcastic but stating the truth.

    Oh, yes, there is a time when I use sarcasm but no, not this time. Do things in correct places, ok. Me being "sarcastic has nothing to do with your empty post, it is your own fault for not bringing any proof. Don't tell me you are … of me?

    Suicide in Islam is indeed a sin but not "suicide bomber". Why? This too have been dealt with, go read first.

  122. you should listen to a muslim's perspective and to tell you that this hadith is wrong or this hadith doesnt mean like this or etc….. and oussma bemn laden is a blasphemer , he's not muslim , that why i want your email to explain to you these cases or issue . and their is an aya in quran that God doesnt forgive who assoicate with and he forgive rather than who he's pleased with .and he forgive rather than who he's pleased with : from muslims only , dont get mixed up and tell that oussma isnt a blasphemer .

  123. look its very well known that Aisha had her puberty. like i told it's a big sinn to have sexual relationship with unmatured or wife , it's a law in islam , muhammad will never make a big sinn . and the reference now i dont have insha'allah i'll bring them later, but the moment that sanada is sarcastic , it means that he is sttubborn . im telling that these people who blow themselves are usually blasphemer , because suicide in islam is the biggest sin after blasphemey so once they think it's a charity or good deed , so he's a blasphemer , so after i convinced you ali sina will bring a hadith that is manipulated or weak hadith and explain it the way he desire and say that blowing up our selves in islam is not a sinn , that's what is happening , most haters of islam bring lies and rumors and relate evil stuff to islam , so i needed your email juste to explain to you what's happening , trust me after i'll talk to you. you will get to know the real islam. why dont you give me a chance , give a muslim a chance to defend his religon , you cant take learn about islam from people like ali sina ,or others who hates islam ,

  124. Ah, a sunni rant.

  125. Good, now the source please. It seems you didn't read anything in this page.

  126. Source needed.

  127. You know, there 2 type of muslims here. The first is "pretty resourceful" like livingsunnah, the second is "pathetically have nothing but empty statement". The duo A and AI belong to the second.

  128. Ahmad,
    Muhammad can declare truce today, and declare war the next day. That’s how “versatile” Muhammad can be.
    I’m just asking you to prove to us ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID.
    And you said that Ayesha was sexually matured when Muhammad married her. Prove it!
    You won’t need my email, my friend.
    We can talk freely in forum09.faithfreedom.org
    i’m using “Just Dan” as a nickname. Do visit, make a believable thread, we’ll discuss it together. :)

  129. Hey Juste, its a law in islam to not to have sexual relationship with wives until they are ready , im telling it's a law, if any girl had sexual relationship when she's not ready she will get hurt and this is a sinn in our religon , so aisha had her puberty and it very known among muslims , her body was like a 15 years girl right now , look there are many ahadth to prove it , aisha had developed body and sexual ready , as if your looking now at 15 years girl , trust me not like ali sina drew her , and ask an arab chirstain , he will tell that it was natural at their time , your talking about 1400 years ago , so tradition have changed , so you might see it in way , but t muhammad time it was normal , dont think of it like that , many 20 years men use to marry mid 40 ties women , and like i said prophet muhammad told us that we'll reach a time before jesus will rise to earth , there will alot of lies and rumors that will be related to islam , this whole site is a information based on lies and misunderstanding , and if you want give your email so i could talk to you

  130. Walk your talk, Ahmad!
    Prove it!
    Show us that Ayesha was sexually matured by the time Muhammad married her.

  131. *when she married muhammad.

  132. And one more thing i forgot ti mention that aisha had her puberty when he married muhammad. she sexual ready

  133. , Muhammad is the greatest man who ever lived he was very intelligent to victor the muslims and spread his message all over the world , he made sucess , your achievements in life is nothing and clearly known that muhammad isnt a pedophille
    first at his time age for marriage didnt matter , for example at muhammad's time a two friends , one of the friend's father is dead , so he ask his 18 or 20 year old friend to marry his mother because the friend was travleing , so a 20 years man marry an 48 year old women , best example muhammad , when he was in his tewenties he got married to kadiga when she was in her forties , i have many stories and it s very well that marriage age didnt have limits , im a 17 years , i can marry a 60 years old women or 12 years women inislam , the age doesnt matter nor skin color to marry in islam , so ali sina go home

  134. It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book
    and one more thing in quran beat them if they disobey , so ali sina your ignorant , if a wife screams at her husband and start going on crazy and breaking the household , the muslim husband can hite her , but how?it shouldnt be on the face because its a sin to hite on the face , and if he hurt her it also a sin , the beat shouldnt hurt , he brings her hand and hite her to teach her displine , like when a mother hites her child, the hite shouldnt hurt , it should be simple and not rough, so the beat shouldnt hurt ,

  135. Muhammad was very strong , many people were influced by Muhammad , so they couldnt defeat , after his death . the majous sended people to make lies to islam and make distribance between muslims , so shia ( shiites) occured , but God Promised muhammad that the true belive of islam will not die , so if one of these 72 groups hurt their wives , ali sina take the advantage to fight islam, and in years like 1200 till 1600 muslims where very strong they ruled most asia , africa , some countries in europes , they where very strong why because they carried the true belife of islam , so the vatican and others sended fake sheikhs under the name of islam to manipulate , from this period till now most people fell into the falshood , they took ayat from quran explained them they want to make a bad image btw your one of them , in quan in surah ali imran aya 8 :

  136. hey ali sina , i have seen your site , its clear that you know nothing about islam , you bring wrong ahadith and say it from bukhari and many other dirty style of yours , let me tell prophet Muhammad told us that before Prophet Jesus will rise to support muslims, their are many things will happen or signs :1 many unions will unite against islam and start bringing lies and rumors to islam , btw your the best example ,__
    2) 73 groups will rise under the name of islam , 72 in hell , 1 in heaven ,let me list some in the 72 groups that are in hell__
    kawarj__
    kadaria__
    motazila __
    gabria __
    shia(shiites)__
    wahabi ( most popular oussama bemn laden)__
    ekwanjia ( their known for blowing themselves or bombing) __
    druze __
    alawia ( who worship imam Ali)__
    and many and many__well, these 72 groups are blasphemers , you cant say that they are muslims

  137. Muslims or Mohammad claim 'Mohammad' to be the last Prophet. Does this imply some kind of insecurity in the mind of Mohammad. Any psychologist please? It's quite funny that Mohammad knows that he is the last 'Prophet' but does not know about the 'Day of Judgement' – another absurd idea.

  138. Masroor,
    This is important, pay attention a little.
    First:
    Nowhere in the world says it’s okay for an eight year old to get pregnant.
    Aside from the fact that it is biologically impossible, it would also venture beyond the norms of humanity.
    What Muhammad did, even now are still being practised by muslims like you.
    Second:
    Please read before commenting!
    It really explains your state of mind if you don’t.

  139. in your so called liberal country girls are became pregnant at the age of 8 and having sex with elderly persons.and you called it liberalism.man having sex with men you called it fundamental rights. Aaisha (R.A) was live many year after Mohammed and she also take parts against Ali with some but misunderstanding.in this era many sect of islam arose many pupils who cant determined with islam can gave support to the Aaisha (A.S.) like you and your follwers which called murtid to misscomments of Aaisha about Prophet but she did not gave any comment on her beloved husband.

  140. I don’t want you to rationalize God for me. That is not my point at all. God is not the focus of my discussion. I have no problem if you wish to believe in God even the illogical one.

    My beef is with Islam. You must provide at least one proof that Islam is from God. There is none. On the other hand there are countless evidences that show Muhammad could not have been a prophet of God. He was either a mentally sick man or an ambassador of Devil. You take your pick. My view is that he suffered from a litany of disorders and my book sets to prove that claim.

    Anyway, thank you for being scholarly and polite.

  141. Trul Goodmind, Very well said my friend. No doubt they cannot work hard becoz of lack of sleep. That is why they remain poor and backwards.

  142. >No, no ! u better pray to Allah to save the good muslims, men, women n children who are now being slaughtered by their muslim despotic rulers in the thousands everyday in the ME countries as reported in Alzeera Arabic News in the TV. I wonder where is Allah now.?????

  143. Muhammad was circumcised? Look at this copy paste from desperate muslim:

    There are different opinions on this matter:

    1 – That he was born circumcised
    2 – That Jibreel circumcised him when he split open his chest
    3 – That his grandfather ‘Abd al-Muttaalib circumcised him according to the Arab custom of circumcising their sons.

    Tuhfat al-Mawlood, p. 201.

    With regard to the first opinion, Ibn al-Qayyim narrated many ahaadeeth in the book mentioned which indicate this, but he ruled all of them to be da’eef (weak). Then he mentioned that if a child is born circumcised, this is a defect and it is a not a sign of virtue as some people think.
    And he said:
    It was said that Caesar the king of Rome whom Imru’ul-Qays came to visit was born like that (i.e., uncircumcised) and Imru’ul-Qays entered upon him in the baths and saw him like that, and composed a line of verse mocking him for being uncircumcised:
    He scorned him because he was not circumcised, and he regarded his being born like that as a defect. This line of verse was one of the reasons that motivated Caesar to poison Imru’ul-Qays and he died.
    The Arabs used to think of the act of circumcision as being something virtuous, but not the feature itself.
    Ibn al-Qayyim said: Allaah sent our Prophet from amongst the Arabs, and He gave him attributes of physical perfection and made him of fine lineage. So how could it be possible that he was born circumcised? It was said that circumcision was one of the words with which Allaah tested His Close Friend Ibraaheem, and he fulfilled this world, and the most severely tested of mankind are the Prophets, then the next best and the next best. The Prophet listed circumcision as one of the features of the fitrah, and being tested with this and carrying out this command with patience will multiply the reward. It is more befitting that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should not miss out on this virtue and that Allaah should honour him in the same way as He honoured Ibraaheem, because he is more virtuous than any other Prophet.

    Tuhfat al-Mawlood, 205-206

    With regard to the second opinion, he said:

    The hadeeth about the angel splitting open his heart was narrated through many isnaads going back to the Prophet; it does not mention in any of them that Jibreel circumcised him, except in this hadeeth which is (shaadhdh ghareeb (odd and strange).

    Tuhfat al-Mawlood, p. 206

    With regard to the third opinion, he said:

    Ibn al-‘Adeem said: It says in some reports that his grandfather ‘Abd al-Muttalib circumcised him on the seventh day. He said, this seems to be the correct view and closest to reality.

    Tuhfat al-Mawlood, p. 206

    Ibn al-Qayyim said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (1/82):

    This issue arose between two righteous men. One of them wrote a book saying that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was born circumcised and compiled in it ahaadeeth which are not sound at all. His name was Kamaal al-Deen ibn Talhah. He was criticized by Kamaal al-Deen ibn al-‘Adeem who explained that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was circumcised according to the custom of the Arabs. As this was the custom of all of the Arabs, there is no need for a report (to prove that he was circumcised).

  144. Dude, i think they’re still undecided whether Muhammad was circumcised or not. It was an exclusive Jewish practice back in Muhammad’s days.
    Jesus was circumcised though.

  145. god (allah) was created by muhammad, after copying the idea from the jew’s and christian’s taurat/bibles, in order to serve his ill-intentions..(sleeping with his wife’s servant, attacking and robbing the merchants, jews, having sex with an underaged girl, etc).

  146. Islam is a fascist “belief” who was created by muhammad, a pedophile, sex machine with circumcised thing, killer, robber, destroyer, backstabber. Even, until now his followers still killing other people who are ‘non-muslims’ in the name of islam. They make a lot of noise with their five-time- a-day prayers, including early in the morning at 4:40am, equipped with high powered, at least, 4 LOUDSPEAKERS that wake up and disturb many innocent people!! They leave their work and become ineffective 5 times a day for the sake of useless ‘prayers’! and still ask for high salary! otherwise they would harm their employers.

  147. Whatta…?
    Did you not read the article?
    Did you not know that Sina’s works are based on Koran, Hadith and Sira?
    Are you aware that muslims believe even lies being fed in the name of Islam?
    Didn’t you realize the facts that the Islamic World is so retarded, because Muhammad designed it so?
    Didn’t you left your brain and the brains of your brothers and sisters back in the 7th century? Go get it already!
    Sina’s work is concise word per word according to Islamic Scriptures. You just don’t wanna see truth, Dawg.
    “open your eyes, so you can see”.

  148. I seek refuge in Allah from the shaytan.

    I’ve always sought to meet atheists and real christian and Zionist haters of Islam – those that don’t have any respect for Islam. And I think I’ve met the peak of them in this Sina. You seem to have the lots of passion, venom and oratory for mission.

    After studying your comments and those of your followers, I have developed some understanding of your message and the gullibility of your followers. It is largely your lack of understand of the nature of God (Allah), His message and His Messengers. You want Him 100% rationalized, You want scientific proof. You want it to make sense to you. But sorry, God is not like that.

    I respect your opinions (including your proof-like references). But you need to realize that God is far removed from us human, He created and He’s sustain you. Your knowledge cannot encompass Him. He sent Muhammad (SAW) and he (SAW) lived his according to Allah instructions, any issues you might have should be with Allah, Who chose him as His messenger and guided him to what he did, not with Muhammad. You’ll beat around the bush with those absurd and flimsy accusations of the prophet, which enemies at the time it was happening did not make. In some of your assertions, you’re obviously just recreating or rearranging history – historical account written 100s and 000′s of years later.

    While I’m not a scholar, but my study of your materials (like your graphic of your understanding of Islamic perspective of the cosmos) and the subsequent conclusions you draw, shows that your narrative and those of your followers have fundamental and deep set flaws. What is the use of long prose and write ups that do not add up at the end, but leave gaping unanswered questions and false assumption.. I’ll advise your muslim and non-muslims readers to take your works with plenty salt.

    I want to refrain from make specific and point by point allegations because I don’t want to leave room for futile arguments. You have made your points, but a soul with eeman and tawheed based knowledge and conviction will see that the difference between your points and those of the ignorant ones is not much because you’ve missed the fundamentals. I suspect you might have been fed on the deviant sect while growing up.

    I respect those that have tried to refute your publications but refused to debate with you because your evidences shows you’ve missed the road but your passion and venom have blinded you so a debate is not likely to be fruitful.

    Allah the Fashioner, Creator and Sustainer knows best.

  149. Don't worry. There is no Allah, so Dr. Sina won't be reverted.

  150. I don't see that you have proved Dr. Sina wrong, so you are not qualified for the reward or to call his work lies. Obviously he is only reporting the Quran and Sunna, so there are no lies.

  151. Dr. Ji Khan

    You seem to be very knowledgeable about Islam. Maybe Allah has sent you to porve me wrong and save Islam. In that case I will be your first desciple. Now would you like to read my book and point out to my errors? I will send a perviosu edition of it to you in PDF. If you can show my errors, this site and faithfreedom.org will be converted into Islamic sites.

  152. Furthermore Mr. Ali Sina, all i see in your posts is a qoutation of a hadith followed by your interpretation of that hadith…. you interpret without any proof. even in your rebuttal i can clearly see how you very blatantly hid things that went against u by just giving parts of the rebuttal. who knows what would have happened in real… but even in this rebuttal i can judge, rather any sane man can judge that you have clearly lost… simply failed to prove your allegation… anyway… enough said… I pray to Allah that he reverts you back to Islam….

  153. Mr. Ali Sina… the source of my rebuttal about the correct age of Ayesha RA is given in the posts. kindly read it thouroughly. I do not want your money and do not need it either. All i need you to do is stop spreading lies about Mohammad PBUH….
    Here is the source of the article…. http://www.quranicteachings.co.uk/ayeshas-age.htm

  154. In conclusion, this article is an attempt to prove that the books written 200-300 years after the death of Muhammad, while providing a good deal of historical information about him are not free from faulty, less than perfect and self-contradictory materials. These should not be taken as the final word for a Muslim. There is a Final Word for a Muslim and that is the Book of God, the Holy Qur’an—the book that defines the marriageable age for a man or woman when he or she attains soundness of judgment (Al-Qur’an 4:6). If Muhammad is a model for mankind, if he followed the Qur’an all his life, if Allah stands witness to his rock-solid character, there is no way that he could have taken a 6-9 year old, immature young, playful girl as a responsible wife.

  155. Finally, it must be pointed out that Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage has never been an issue. If it were, his enemies must have picked up on this issue as they did to him on some other issues. Also, the reader must note that none of these Hadith reports concerning Ayesha’s controversial age of marriage with the Prophet goes back to the Prophet himself. In other words, it is not the Prophet himself who said Ayesha was 6 or 9. These reports came from a single individual and the Iraqis reported from him when he grew old and his memory started failing.

  156. 13. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani has reported that Fatimah, Muhammad’s daughter, was five years older than Ayesha and that Fatimah was born when the Prophet was 35 years old. Thus, Ayesha, according to Ibn Hajar, was born when Muhammad was 40 and consummated her marriage when he was 54 or 55. That makes Aysha at least 15-16 years of age.

    (Al-isabah fi tamyizi'l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol 4, Pg 377, Arabic, Maktabatu'l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh,1978)

  157. 12. A famous Sunni imam, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, reports in His Musnad, that after the death of Khadijah, Khaulah came to the Prophet (pbuh) and advised him to marry again. She had two propositions for the Prophet: Either Muhammad could marry a virgin (bikr), or he could go for woman who had already been married (thayyib)". Khaulah named Ayesha for a virgin (bikr). It is common knowledge that the term bikr in the Arabic language refers to a well formed lady and not to a 9 year old, playful, immature lass. If she were nine, the word used by Khaulah would have been jariyah and not bikr.

    (Musnad, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol 6, Pg 210, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-`arabi, Beirut).

  158. 11. Tabari reports that before migrating to Habashah, Abu Bakr planned to hand over his daughter, Ayesha to Mut’am’s son to whom she was engaged. But fearing persecution by the Quraish, Mut’am refused and his son divorced Ayesha. The migration to Habashah happened 8 years before Hijra. Obviously, at the time she was ready to take on responsibilities as a wife (possibly 9 or 10 years of age). If she married Muhammad in the 2nd Hijrah (623-624 A.D), she could not be less than 19 years of age (a secondary reference for this argument is: Tehqiq e umar e Siddiqah e Ka'inat, Habib ur Rahman Kandhalwi, Urdu, Pg 38, Anjuman Uswa e hasanah, Karachi, Pakistan).

  159. 9. Tabari informs in his treatise on Islamic history that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the pre Islamic period. The pre-Islamic period ended in 610 A.D, a fact that makes Ayesha to be at least 14 years of age at the time of her marriage around 613-624 A.D.

    Tarikhu'l-umam wa'l-mamlu'k, Al-Tabari, Vol 4, Pg 50, Arabic, Dara'l-fikr, Beirut, 1979).

    10. Ibn Hisham, the historian, reports that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before `Umar ibn al-Khattab which only means that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam close to the time of first revelation (around 610 A.D). This means she must have been at least a young girl at that time. Assuming she was barely 6 or 7 at that time this information puts the age of Ayesha at 20 or more at the time of her marriage with Muhammad (623-624 A.D.), (Al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, Ibn Hisham, vol 1, Pg 227 – 234 and 295, Arabic, Maktabah al-Riyadh al-hadithah, Al-Riyadh).

  160. (For Asma being 10 years older than Ayesha, see A`la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol 2, Pg 289, Arabic, Mu'assasatu'l-risalah, Beirut, 1992. Ibn Kathir confirms this fact, [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by ten years" (Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol 8, Pg 371, Arabic, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933). For Asma being 100 years old, see Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol 8, Pg 372, Arabic, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933). Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani also has the same information: "She [Asma (ra)] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH." Taqribu'l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, Pg 654, Arabic, Bab fi'l-nisa', al-harfu'l-alif, Lucknow).

  161. 8. Most historians have consensus on the age of one of the oldest female companions of the Prophet, namely, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha that was ten years older than Ayesha. It is also reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 Hijrah when she was 100 years old. Clearly, if Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Ayesha was 17 at the time of Hijrah and 19 at the time of consummation of her marriage with Muhammad.

  162. 6. According to many narratives, Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud. No one older than 15 was allowed to accompany the Prophet’s army in the battle of Uhud. This applied across the board to all participants, men and women alike. The battle of Uhud took place around the 2nd Hijrah, a time line close to her marriage with the Prophet. Obviously, she was at least older than 15 at that time.

    7. A narrative regarding Ayesha's participation in the battle of `Uhud is given in Bukhari, (Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Arabic, Bab Ghazwi'l-nisa' wa qitalihinna ma`a'lrijal; that all boys under 15 were sent back is given in Bukhari, Kitabu'l-maghazi, Bab ghazwati'l-khandaq wa hiya'l-ahza'b, Arabic).

  163. 5. Even though Ayesha is reported to have been born about eight years before Hijrah (around 614 A.D.), one can find another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) whereby Ayesha is reported to have said that she was a ‘young girl’ at the time of revelation of the 54th chapter of the Qur'an which came 9 years before Hijrah (around 612 A.D). Thus, according to this tradition, Ayesha was a young girl (Jariyah—as she calls herself and not an infant in which case she would be sibyah). Additionally, this narrative stands in direct contrast to the one reported on Ayesha’s age by Hisham bin Urwah. This puts Ayesha’s age significantly higher than 9 as reported by Hisham bin Urwah—possibly 15 or even higher. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear
    contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham
    ibn Urwah. There is no compelling reason as to why this tradition should be considered less accurate vis-à-vis Hisham’s narrative).

    (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu'l-tafsir, Arabic, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa'l-sa`atu adha' wa amarr).

  164. 3. Yaqub ibn Shaibah is reported to have said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". Malik ibn Anas (d. 795), a student of Hisham in fact discredited all narratives of Hisham that were reported through people of Iraq.

    (Tehzibu'l-tehzib, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh), vol 11, pg 48 – 51).

    4. It is reported that Hisham bin Urwah’s memory suffered in his later years to the extent that some of the traditions reported from Hisham bin Urwah could not be trusted for authenticity.

    (Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, by Al-Zahbi , Arabic, a book on the life sketches of the narrators of the Hadith, Al-Maktabatu'l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol 4, pg 301).

  165. 2. Despite the abundance of information available during the 71 years that Hisham bin Urwah lived and taught in Medina, it is rather odd that that no one else—not even his famous pupil Malik ibn Anas—reported Ayesha’s age from Hisham in Medina. Furthermore, all the narrators of this Hadith were Iraqis. Hisham is reported to have moved to Iraq in his later years. An extensive list of biographical sketches of all narrators including these Iraqis is available in some books.

  166. The following is the detail of the analysis of these historical and Hadith accounts.

    1. Several books of Hadith (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim, Abu Dawood, among others) and Islamic history (Tabari, among others) report that Ayesha was married to the Prophet at 6 but her marriage was not consummated until she was 9. Although, this information is widely quoted and found in many Hadith and history books, it must be noted that most of this information has come from a single person, Hisham bin Urwah, who is the last narrator of this Hadith Isnaad (chain of narration) on the authority of his father. Thus, this Hadith is primarily a single Hadith. Some other narratives mention the same Hadith but their narration has been found weak and unacceptable. In general, a Hadith has more credibility if it is narrated by more people independently from diverse chains of narrators. In this case, there is basically only one source.

  167. In 620-621 A.D, he and his devout companions migrated from Makkah to Medina. Then a couple of years later, he married Ayesha, a daughter of his closest companion, Abu Bakr, in the 3rd Hijrah (Islamic calendar–623-24 A.D). This information coming from diverse historical and Hadith sources is widely agreed upon and therefore can be, a priori, considered authentic. Based on this information, and a host of other related bits and pieces detailed below, it can be shown that Ayesha could have been at least 16-19 of age at the time of her marriage with Muhammad (pbuh).

  168. Was Ayesha really 6 years old when she married Muhammad?

    A few comments about Muhammad’s marriages are in order. Muhammad married his first wife, Khadijah, several years before his announcement as a prophet of Islam. Khadijah was a reasonably well-to-do woman of Makkah and was 15 years his senior. Muhammad was 25 and Khadijah was 40 at the time of their marriage. This loving and caring monogamous relationship continued for 25 years until her death. Muhammad, now over 50 years of age, married a relatively aged woman by the name of Saudah. It is thus important to note here that Muhammad’s twenty five prime youth years were spent in purely monogamous relationship with a lady 15 years his senior. This speaks volumes about this man’s piety and loyalty in spousal matters as well as about the fact that his later marriages could not have been motivated by any human wild sexual desires.

  169. These verses, as far as the author of this article is concerned, should suffice and bury the issue of the age of Ayesha’s marriage with the Prophet of Allah (pbuh) for good. Ayesha could not have been 6 years of age because:

    1. She could not have been an adult woman capable of making her own sound decisions, and,

    2. She could not have entered into a ‘solemn covenant’ at the age of 6 with a 55-year old man. This defies all reasons for a productive and meaningful union.

    3. The Prophet, according to the Qur’an, is a model for all humanity. The Qur’an tells us that he was at the highest of moral pedestal. Even if child marriages were common in his community, he could not have gone for it because it went against the Qur’anic injunctions of 4:6 and 4:21.

    Nonetheless, since the charge of paedophilia by Rev. Vines rested solely on some Hadith reports and not on any of the Qur’anic verses, the attention is now turned to those Hadith accounts and many other observations related to Ayesha’s age, and their in-depth analysis.

  170. The Qur’anic guidelines as described clearly in 4:6 tell us that Muhammad could not have married a young girl of age 6 or 9. There are other verses where the marriage bond has been described as “solemn covenant/solid contract—Meethaqan ghaleezan” (4:21). It is mighty revealing to me that in 4:21 for husband-wife relationship the same composition “meethaqan ghaleezan” has been used for the covenant that Allah took from all the prophets including our own prophet (33:7). Not only that, the same expression was also used when Allah took covenant from the Jews not to violate the Sabbath (4:154). Thus, according to the Qur'an 'tying the knot' is going for a "Meethaqan Ghaleezan" (a solemn covenant of mutual trust and faithfulness for each other). This a definition of marriage, which later, when developed and nourished, gives rise to love, tranquillity and mutual feelings of caring (30:21), as well as to our offspring as comfort of our eyes (25:74).

  171. This verse is taking about two concepts here: First of all, the trustee of a property should first test the ability of the grown up orphan to see if he or she is capable of managing his or her own affairs well. Second, the Qur’an provides guidelines for the trustee as to the time at which the property of the orphans is to be handed over–it is the time when the orphan has attained adulthood or marriageable age and that he or she has attained a good degree of mental maturity. Thus, the Qur’an gives a clear definition of adulthood or marriageable age as the one when one has attained a good measure of mental maturity. This should raise the question: Does a 6- or 9-year old have that level of quality of sound judgment? The answer is a resounding NO. If Muhammad married a 6 year old girl (and consummated her marriage at age 9), one wonders if he actually followed the Qur’anic guidelines regarding this issue. Please recall that the Qur’an states that Muhammad is a model for all mankind and that he himself followed the Qur’an in its entirety while ordering the same for his devout followers.

  172. How does the Qur’an define ‘marriageable age’?

    There are several Hadith reports that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married his third wife Ayesha when she was 6 year old and consummated her marriage when she was 9. If this is true, then it must be consistent with the Qur’an that tells us that Muhammad himself followed the Qur’an before he asked others to follow it. The Qur’an does not assign a definite number to the age at which a man or a woman becomes ‘adult’ or ready to marry. However, there is a clear definition of the marriageable age as per 4:6:

    [an-Nisa' 4:6] Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them;

  173. The majority of Muslims considers two of the six Hadith books, those authored by Al-Bukhari (d. 870 A.D) and Al-Muslim (d. 875 A.D) most authentic after the Qur’an despite the fact that they were written 200-300 years after the advent of Islam. These scholars of Islam exercised great caution in selecting what they called correct traditions and proceeded with purest of intentions but one must not lose sight of the fact that they still collected ‘narrations’ from living people who were not primary or even secondary and tertiary sources of the accounts of the life and sayings of Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions. Some Islamic historians (and/or exegetes of the Qur’an) whose books about early Islamic history are considered of high importance and who derive their history of early Islam from Ibn Ishaq’s Seerah include Tabari (d. 923 ), Ibn Katheer, Ibn Hisham (d. 827 A.D) and Ibn Hajar Al-asqalani, to name a few.

    The introduction given above of the two sources of Islam (the Qur’an and the Sunnah/Hadith) is necessary for the reader to understand the issue at hand—the age of Ayesha, the third wife of Prophet Muhammad at the time of her marriage.

  174. Thus, the process of oral transmission (word of mouth) made the basis of all these collections. This process commonly known as ‘Isnaad’ or ‘chain of narration’ comprised a chain of 4-6 or more narrators in time going back to the companions of Muhammad and to Muhammad himself over a period of 250-300 or more years. These accounts seek to portray the Muslim culture and history during the lifetime of the Prophet of Islam. Nonetheless, it must be pointed out that the only true surviving book, call it Islamic history or Divine Guidance, that was memorized by thousands of Companions of the Prophet and written in a completely and carefully documented form is none other than the Qur’an itself. The first non-Qur’anic history book, ‘Seerat Rasoolallah’ (Seerah), by Ibn Ishaq (d. 767 A.D) was written more than 90 years after the death of Muhammad. That book of history was also based on oral transmissions. Ibn Ishaq was severely criticized by some notable scholars of Islam such as Malik bin Anas, the originator of the Maliki School of though in Islamic jurisprudence mainly practiced in Africa.

  175. There are six books of Hadith (Sihah Sita) that are considered authentic by the main stream Sunni Muslims. There is also a different set of four Hadith books for the Shia Muslim community. All these books were written 200-300 years after the death of Muhammad (pbuh). The documentation of these books proceeded based on collection of hundreds of thousands of stories from the then living people who transmitted accounts or stories about Muhammad or his companions as they heard from earlier generations.

  176. The Second generally accepted source of Islamic faith is the Sunnah. The Sunnah is the summation of Islamic teachings related to faith and code of conduct as personally practiced and perpetuated by Muhammad (pbuh) for all believers to implement and follow in their personal lives as well as in proper Islamic governance. The Sunnah protocols related to articles of Islamic faith and rituals are continuous from the day of the Prophet but a great many others are largely derived from a huge body of compilations of oral narrations referred to as Hadith. The Hadith, commonly known as traditions of the Prophet, consists of many books of compilations of reported accounts of Muhammad’s sayings, actions, and tacit approvals.

  177. The Qur’an enjoined Muhammad (and all believers) to strictly follow the Quran (6:106; 10:109; 33:2) and it stands witness to the fact that Muhammad and his followers did exactly that all their lives (7:203; 46:9; 6:50). In fact, Muhammad himself was warned in rather stern terms not to go against the Qur’anic teachings (17:39, 10:94-95, 69:40-48). Furthermore, the Qur’an declares Muhammad (pbuh) to be a man of highest moral standards (68:4; 33:21) and the best exemplar for humanity. The Qur’an enjoins the believers in scores of verses to follow Muhammad’s teachings and accept him as a final authority in all their affairs.

  178. Additionally, the Qur’an was not only written and documented but it was committed to memory in its entirety during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh). This noble tradition of memorization of the Qur’an continues to this day. One can find hundreds of thousands of individuals around the world who know the entire Qur’an by heart. It is noteworthy that although there are several sects in Islam, the Qur’an remains perfectly preserved to the letter in its original Arabic language and recited, understood and referred to for explanations by all sects the same way. Thus, while the interpretations may vary, the original Arabic text has remained the same without sectarian bias.

  179. First, I would like to point out that according to the faith of Islam the vast majority of the Muslims professes, there are two sources of the Divine Guidance–the Qur’an and the Sunnah. The Quran is the actual Word of Allah (God) revealed by the archangel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) over a period of 23 years during the period 610-632 A.D in the Arabian Peninsula. The Qur’an that was revealed as Guidance and Light (17:9) for all mankind was written and properly documented by some forty scirbes during the lifetime of the Prophet. There is historical as well as the Qur’anic internal evidence to that effect (80:11-16 and 25:5) as well as God’s personal guarantee against any possible corruption in the Scripture (15:9).

  180. Rev. Jerry Vines while speaking to the Pastors’ Conference of the Southern Baptist Convention, St. Louis, Missouri on June 10, 2002, called the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) a pedophile and demon-possessed. The Muslims all over the world were deeply offended by his remarks, as were many people of other faiths. While certainly both of these allegations about the person of the Prophet of Islam can be effectively rebutted, the author of this article proposes to present the Qur’anic concept of marriageable age as well as an in-depth analysis of the issue of Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage with the Messenger of Allah (pbuh). This critique is based on many historical reports as documented in the history books of Islam.

  181. DID AYESHA MARRY MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H), THE PROPHET OF ISLAM, AT THE AGE OF 6?

    By Abdul H. Fauq

    The Quran has not given names and other details of Prophet's wives but it has confirmed that all marriages of the Prophet (pbuh) were lawful (33:50). The age of Hadrat Ayisha(r), wife of the prophet, is disputed on the basis of a calligraphic error in history books. Narrated history, however sacred, is not above scrutiny, particularly where dignity and honour of the prophet is at stake. The following article is an attempt to dig out reality from the same history.

  182. As a fitting punishment for all his heinous crimes against women, it was a Jewish woman who poisoned him in her rightful quest for revenge after the battle of Khaybar. During the last four years of his life, his health declined, epileptic fits became more frequent and his other infirmities increased. After living a life of rape, perversion, destruction and plunder, at the age of 62, Mohammed gasped his last breath on the lap of his 17 year old child bride Ayesha who watched him die a slow , long and horrible death.

    NOTE: Works of Fatima Mernissi, Dr. Robert A. Morey and A. Ghosh have been used to compose this article.

  183. Muslim scholar and statesman, Ali Dashti gives the following list of women in Mohammed's life.

    Khadija
    Sawda
    Ayesha
    Omm Salama
    Hafsa
    Zainab (of Jahsh)
    Juwariya
    Omm Habiba
    Safia
    Maymuna (of Hareth)
    Fatima
    Hend
    Asma (of Saba)
    Zainab (of Khozayma)
    Habla
    Asma (of Noman)
    Maria
    Rayhana
    Omm Sharik
    Maymuna (not of Hareth)
    Zainab (third one)
    Khawla
    Duba

  184. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire. The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor."

    Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to marry his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great" prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws.

  185. Another woman that the Prophet married for satisfying his sexual desires was Juwariya Bint al-Harith who was according to Ayesha's description, 'so beautiful that whoever caught a glimpse of her fell in love with her.' (Ibid. p.117)
    Ayesha's jealousy is displayed again from the following quote: "The Prophet was in my room when Juwariya came to ask him about a contract. By Allah, I hated her when I saw her coming towards him. I knew that he was going to see what I saw (her beauty)." (Ibid)

    A unique instance of the effect of female beauty on the Prophet was that of Duba Bint Amr who 'was among the most beautiful of Arab women….her hair was long enough to cover all her body.'(Ibid., p. 153) Mohammed asked her son if he could marry his mother, but later retracted when he heard that Duba Bint Amr, although attractive, was aging.

    This shows that Mohammed was only interested in physical beauty and not in providing protection for widows or some other charitable cuase as the Muslims have been brain washed to believe.

  186. Hafsa, one of the Prophet's wives, however, caught him having intercourse with Maria in Safiya's room. 'O Prophet of God, in my room and in my day!' fulminated Safiya angrily. Afraid of the anger of his other wives, and especially of his most beloved Ayesha, he promised Hafsa never to touch Maria again if she would keep the incident secret (Ibid., p. 213). But she spoke out, and the Prophet immediately received orders from God to retract his promise to Safiya; he then resumed relations with Maria (Sura 66:3).

    Maria's power over the Prophet is best described in Ayesha's words: "I never was as jealous as I was of Maria again. That is because she was a very beautiful, curly haired woman. The Prophet was very attracted to her. In the beginning, she was living near us and the Prophet spent entire days and nights with her until we protested and she became frightened." (Ibn Saad, al-Tabaqat, p. 212)

    The Prophet then decided to transfer Maria to a more secure dwelling far from his legitimate wives and kept seeing her inspite of their pressure

  187. During Mohammed's time a lot of barbaric wars were instigated by the muslims and Mohammed was always the receiver of at least one fifths of the booty. This booty included captured women and children. One can imagine how many women were made into concubines for Prophet Mohammed's carnal pleasure and how many children were his victims.

    Maria the Copt from Egypt, was another concubine of Mohammed. She bore him a son, Ibrahim, who died in infancy. The Prophet's desire for Maria was so strong that it led him to violate another of his ideals: "That a man should be just in his dealings with his wives. A man should keep strictly to the rotation schedule and not have intercourse with a wife, even if he so desired."

  188. In many occasions Mohammed did not even spare women who were originally allotted to other soldiers of his tribe after gaining a victory in War. One such woman was Safia Bint Huyay. This Jewish woman was captured by lecherous muslim invaders after the Jews were brutally murdered by Mohammed. According to a Quranic Sura (8:41) four fifths of any booty or spoil that is won after murdering the non-believers, is distributed to the barbaric invaders. In Islam, women of other religion are also considered as booty, so Safiya bint Huyay was allotted to a soldier called Dahia. But when Mohammed the ascetic heard of her 'incomparable beauty', he sent for Dahiya, paid him Safiya's price and married her. (Ibn Saad, al-Tabaqat, pp. 120-123).

    Safiya Bint Huyway was just one of the numerous Jewish women who became prey to Mohammed's insatiable sexual desire. Regardless of his participation in these barbaric raids Mohammed was alloted 1/5 of the booty as prescribed in the Quran, Sura 8:41. Rayhana Bint Zayd was another Jewish woman, whom Mohammed captured after her tribe was totally butchered. She was known to be a woman of immense beauty. Mohammed kept her as a concubine. (Ibid., p. 129)

  189. Among his many other wives Mohammed also married a 6 year old baby, Ayesha. She was his favourite wife.

    This marriage is a clear proof that his pedophilic tendency started manifesting itself after Khadija's death, because when she was alive he did not want to offend her because all the wealth belonged to her.

    The prophet said that, "the woman can be married for religion, her fortune, or her beauty. So marry one for the religion" (Abu Issa al-Tarmidi, Sunan al- Tarmidi, Medina n.d., p.275, B: 4, H:1092)

    Therefore, according to the Prophet the woman is either a creature who will be subjected to brutal conversion to Islam, a golden goose or a sexual plaything. Her virtues, intelligence or personality do not matter. But Mohammed did not stop there. He recommends all muslims to marry "one for the religion". Now what does this mean ? It means that use the institution of marriage to convert people to Islam. Now you know why so many Muslim men marry non-muslims and convert them to Islam. It also shows what high regard Islam has for the sacred institution of Marriage.

  190. The "great" Mohammed, the founder of this "fabulous" faith was married to Khadija Bibi who was his employer and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He was Khadija Bibi's 3rd husband. Khadija Bibi was a rich widow when she married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed a luxurious life.

    This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's work.

    Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.

    This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least 11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite. Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet.

  191. The prophet's interactions with women, his insatiable lust for lascivious ladies, his lecherous behaviour with his wives and concubines are components that form the model of a true muslim. The prophet is the perfect muslim man for all devout muslims as he is the one whom Allah chose to reveal the Quran to. And because he is the perfect man it is every muslim's duty to follow him. For example, they cannot eat pork because Mohammed disliked it, they have to grow a beard like he had, they have to loot and kill like he did and likewise they have to molest and treat women inhumanly as he did!

  192. (Sura 33:28) "O Prophet! Say to thy consorts: 'If it be that ye desire the life of this world and its glitter then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner.'

    (Sura 33:30) "O Consorts of the Prophet if any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah."

    (Sura 33:37) "….Fear Allah. Then when Zayad had dissolved his marriage with her (Zainab) we joined her in marriage to thee: in order that there may be no difficulty to the believers in the matter of marriage of the wives of their adopted sons…."

  193. It Means propet was looking for sex. Means gready old man want to have sex with lots of young woman

  194. It was a clear- downright- absured- deformed- mind of that Muslim who present his exuses for Muhammed lusful and wicked behaviours.People who defended Muhammed's paedofilia to such an extent shows their belief system is deeply disturbing.In anycase,it is such twisted excuses on behalf for Muhammed which help shine Sina's views to a greater light.Now it is well established that Muhammed was a false prophet beyond any reasonable doubt,so what do you think coward Muslims would do to correct it?Will they repent and leave their Faith?Only the wise ones will leave.

  195. Who knows about the future? Present enemy is potential future ally.

  196. Hi Aris

    Sure you can translate the book. It would be great if you do and we can make it available for free download. I will email it to you.

  197. I gave him this name before I left Islam:).Can I get permission to translate your book into Bosnian,as you probably know we have many problems here because of Islam,we had a war,and during that time missionaries from Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries came here to propagate their view of faith,and it caused many problems in our society.Last year people who call themselves Salafis placed the bomb in front of police station and killed one policeman and wounded several of them:(……

  198. Right. But it takes time, which is a slice of your life that you are sacrificing in the hopes of helping someone who does not want to be helped.

    That's the allusion to the verse that greater love hath no man than that he sacrifice his life for his friends.

  199. In the end, what happened to Lot and friends or cursed cross? You forgot it?

  200. Pedophilia is modern term founded through learning past mistakes and understanding other people more (which ancient people lacked). Like many disorders or diseases unknown in the past, just because it didn’t have name doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Even if I accept your argument, still people in the past didn’t know or care about the effect of the deeds thus making them ignorant. People who were pedophiles could go with their way and people who were not pedophiles just didn’t practice it.

    You wrote, “I think the subject should be treated carefully, and many stuff people did back in time can easily be misinterpreted.”

    Sure, that’s what we do here (discussing it) and I suggest you do some reading in Islamic scriptures. Judging girls from their physical condition alone is barbaric thinking. It’s scientifically and psychologically wrong. Are we thinking like animals? I suggest you to not only think in the past but also in the present and future.

    According to you, an attraction to 6 years old girl was not a sign of pedophilia because of the time. So, the signs and symptoms of, let’s say, appendicitis was actually not appendicitis in the past before it was found, right? The view of some ignorant people in the past is the measurement of right and wrong for humanity as a whole.

    My simple questions, can a pedophile practice his desire under Islamic principle and law regardless of the time (past, present, & future)?

    Oh, another trivial question. Imagine you have a 9 years old daughter. Will you give her to an old man after you make sure that she has reached puberty? Will you ask her first (since Aisha was ignorant on this)? You know, it’s easy to comment, support, and justify bad things as long as it doesn’t involve us.

  201. You wrote, “In that case in no way would it have been seen as pedophilia by people at that time, and this has nothing to do with being brainwashed by Islam.”

    You have compared apple with orange. The apples are

    1. Muhammad, a prophet of god, the last revelation, bringing a standard used for eternity,
    2. The society of Arab at that time, (I had asked Marwan for reference of pre Islamic era and he didn’t give one)
    3. Arabia at 7th century,
    4. 9 years old.

    The oranges are:

    1. European people especially upper class, with their own standard and for their own time,
    2. The society of Europe at that time,
    3. Europe in middle ages,
    4. 12 years old.

    Muhammad changed the standard at his time (although only some of it). For example, marrying daughter in law was seen as inappropriate at that time but Muhammad abolished it by marrying Zainab and set the new standard of appropriate action. Fighting in holy months was also inappropriate but Muhammad didn’t care as long as Islam won thus again setting new standard.

    I want you to be fair here. If you want to put Muhammad in the same box with people in the past then you must also include their attributes. What are the attributes?

    1. They were ordinary men with limited knowledge,
    2. They learned through time,
    3. They are not followed by people in our time,

    Does Muhammad fit these?

    Since Muhammad is labeled as spiritual teacher and religious founder then I can also do the same as you, putting him in the same box with other spiritual teachers. For example, let’s compare it with 2 most prominent men, Jesus and Buddha. Did Jesus and Buddha follow the standard of their time? Can we as modern people surpass their standard as we had surpassed Muhammad’s? Yes or no?

    Slavery was regarded as common practice in the past and by this logic everyone who did it were innocent and don’t deserve to be criticized or called slavers or had evil intention. Brutal massacres had been done in the past, killing the defeated people, and looting them was common too. Does that mean all of the culprits were not evil, blood thirsty mass murderers? What if there are groups of people who follow their standard until now? What will you do? Just be silent like selfish PC?

    How about human sacrifice? Since some ancient people sacrifice humans and people at that time regarded it as religious practice then this practice is justified? And the victims died with smile? That’s your logic?

    All of these apologetic arguments exclude one important point, the victims and their suffering. No enslaved people like to be enslaved whether they are ancient or not, no ancient people like to be massacred, and of course no girls like to be consummated at a very early age when they bodies and minds weren’t at peak performance. All of these are justified through the doers’ view, the groups in power such as the slavers, the conquerors, and the pedophiles.

  202. You wrote, “I will have to look more into the subject, but I'm not convinced he was a pedophile”

    Whether you are convinced or not is up to you but that doesn’t change the fact that Muhammad was attracted to 6 years old Aisha and pedophilia is sanctioned in Islam (read Q 65:4, puberty or not, doesn’t matter). Keep digging it.

    You wrote, “Things have to be put in context.”

    Sure, everything has to be put into context but what is the context? What is the limit? In what category was Muhammad belonged? As far as I know, god doesn’t belong to any boundary.

    You wrote, “When you say that children were betrothed together, but not old men and little girls, I'm not sure this is exact.”

    Could you please tell the anonymous wiki author of that article to put citation? That paragraph doesn’t have it. It seems more like an assumption there. Also, there are many tags in that article and don’t forget the words “some societies”.

    Also read the next paragraph,

    “An increase in the advocation of human rights, whether as women's rights or as children's rights, has caused the traditions of child marriage to decrease greatly as it was considered unfair and dangerous for the children.”

    My question: Was Muhammad aware of it? If he didn’t then how come a prophet of god didn’t know this danger?

    You wrote, “From what I know of european history, during middle ages (and probably before but I'm not sure) young girls were married to grown up men in their 30s, 40s or more in upper class circles at least, and marriage were consummated when girls were 12.”

    Reference needed. So this is royal and upper class wedding? Muhammad wanted to emulate royal and high class men while at that moment he was just a poor man? That only shows his narcissistic nature.

    You wrote, “That was considered the sexual maturity for girls.”

    Considered? In what way? Testing them?

    You wrote, “Sure 9 is really young… But some girls have their first period really young (at 8 or 9 sometimes).”

    Ah, switching from common cases to some cases, eh? Everything is legal including assumption. Too bad, Aisha didn’t have it as I’ve pointed out to muslims here. What if a baby has it due to special reason and condition? Do you still condone it?

    You wrote, “Could it be that Aisha became "a woman" (the meaning of having their first period according to many cultures and also physically speaking) at 9?”

    Do you read hadith? Read it first to know this. A 9 is a 9, her body was still growing and she had not reached puberty. One thing for sure that the “sexual form of 9 years old Aisha” was not her final form let alone her peak.

  203. Kid, you are so ignorant. This verse means the biggest sin is shirk aka polytheism. Any other sins is forgivable. So Osama is a muslim.

  204. Great to hear that?

    Did you name your son after me? If that is the case it is an undeserving honor. Thanks, But why Ali? You could have named him Sina. :)

    Sina means seeker of knowledge. It is a Hebraic word. The Arabic equivalent of it is Baqir.

  205. 1. Allah doesn't have feeling? So what about his insulting verses about Abu Lahab for example? That's temper. Sir, it was you who made SAW on Jesus, not me. Jesus is AS and Muhammad is SAW, any people know it.

    2. Those churches are pressured by secular government and human rights activists. I've given you verses from Bible yet you ignored it.

    3. You are repeating again your own argument. Of course god doesn't have a son, look again my post. And even if god wants to have one, he can, can't he? He is omnipotent anyway, or he isn't?

    4. Dude, you don't understand my parable, do you?

    5. Aisha didn't have puberty as hadith had mentioned. Read it again. Ignoring it is not good you know.

  206. Muslims are bunch of ignorant people and this researching is simple to any rational people.

  207. HI, I am from Bosnia and I LEFT Islam:)thank you Ali……I gave name Ali to my son

  208. Yes it was a typo. I meant to write 53

  209. Seems you don't know how to read the Quran either. 4:48 is a monotheism passage.

  210. Of course I only want to see from one view. Islam has been proven to be false. So why should I listen to anyone who comes from a point of view of ignorance and wants to tell me something else?

    I'm telling you, you have come to the very best place on the internet to learn the truth about Islam. But no one can help you if you keep your mind closed. I've visited many, many sites about Islam, and Dr. Sina's book is the best source I have found to learn the truth about Islam. His documentation and proof is clear and orderly with each step proven by the most authentic Islamic texts. Plus he truly cares about Muslims, otherwise this site would not be here. Don't lose your Golden Opportunity to learn. Read his book. He is offering it to you for free.

    It's interesting that you think blowing up a church doesn't offend Jesus. If I blew up a mosque, would anyone be offended?

    You also don't know anything about mosques in Iraq. Most mosque bombings are done by Sunnis who do not want to accept Shia majority rule now that Iraq is a democracy. You really should be more careful about your image and reputation because you really make yourself look like a fool with the outrageously stupid things you say.

    Dr. Sina explaining Quran the way he wants? Dr. Sina quotes the Quran. The Quran explains itself. Don't keep talking like a fool. Before I was too generous in estimating your knowledge at 10% of Dr. Sina. Now that I know you are 17, I doubt you know 1% as much as he does.

  211. One minor correction to Dr Sina's above comment:
    "But is is terribly wrong for a 13 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl let alone a six year old girl"
    -
    it's supposed to be
    "But is is terribly wrong for a 53 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl let alone a six year old girl"
    .
    It's not 13 year old man – it's 53 year old man. I believe this is a typo – if I'm mistaken, however, I request Dr Sina to correct me.
    .
    MN

  212. Yeah, so – if that Duratma Gandooo does something – does it make Rasool il Allah SAWS mistakes disappear? In fact, I read in some article Gandoo also had young teenage girls sleep naked with him when he was a really old man – only stupid people think that s-o-b is a "Maha " atma – his atma, I'm 100% sure is burning in hell right next to Mo & Hitler.
    Oh, btw, Duratma Gandhi did write a letter to Hitler in which he (Gandhi) addressed Hitler as "My dear friend" – knowing fully well Hitler's Aryan supremacist leanings & gassing of the Jews.
    Gandhi also ordered the Jews to commit mass-suicide by jumping into the sea. Now, all I ask is that Gandhi's followers please commit mass suicide jumping in the Indian ocean, Arabian Ocean or Bay of Bengal – whichever is closer to you in the peninsula.
    How's that?

  213. I see you're still not learning anything.

  214. I'm sorry to hear of your experiences in Nigeria. Dr. Peter Hammond also documented the trend of growing violence as Muslim population increases in his book, "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat":

    "When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States –1.0%; Australia –1.5%; Canada –1.9%; China –1%-2%; Italy –1.5%; Norway –1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark –2%; Germany –3.7%; United Kingdom –2.7%; Spain –4%; Thailand – -4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves –along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

    France –8%; Philippines –5%; Sweden –5%; Switzerland –4.3%; The Netherlands –5.5%; Trinidad &Tobago –5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam-Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana –10%; India –13.4%; Israel –16%; Kenya –10%; Russia –10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

    Ethiopia –Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia –40%; Chad –53.1%; Lebanon –59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania –70%; Malaysia –60.4%; Qatar –77.5%; Sudan –70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh –83%; Egypt –90%; Gaza –98.7%; Indonesia –86.1%; Iran –98%; Iraq –97%; Jordan –92%; Morocco –98.7%; Pakistan -97%; Palestine –99%; Syria –90%; Tajikistan –90%; Turkey –99.8% United Arab Emirates –96%

    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' –the Islamic House of Peace — there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

    Afghanistan –100%; Saudi Arabia –100%; Somalia –100%; Yemen –99.9%

    Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons."

  215. You really are tedious and dull. Who cares about your video? I can give you videos of gay Muslims too. It means nothing. You can't support your ideas in the Bible.

    No, Sanada is not ignorant, and the blasphemy was intentional sarcasm, hoping something would get through your thick skull.

    You really summed it up in a nutshell. Allah has no feeling because he is no god. God is LOVE.

  216. Needs to be made into a video, at least a cartoon or comic book!

  217. Just a little amplification – Jesus as the Son of God, but as the Father and Author of our Salvation…

  218. Greater love hath no man than that he spend his time researching to help an ignorant fool….

  219. Instead of thinking of your rights under Islam, why don't you think of a child's right to grow up before getting married. Let the girls have their childhood.

  220. Thank you for your improved tone. Mr. Unknown – I know your type. I know your learning is restricted to the beliefs of your leaders. I estimate your knowledge of Islam to be less than 10% that of Dr. Sina's – at best.

    Don't consider Dr. Sina to be ignorant because you don't like what he says. Everything Dr. Sina says is supported from the Quran and Sunna. You don't know your religion until you have read Dr. Sina's work in depth. He has offered you a free copy of his book, Understanding Muhammad. Do you know how generous that is? That book sells for $18.42 at Amazon, and he is willing to lose that sale because he cares enough about you to give it to you for free. No one can read his book and remain a Muslim. Be man enough to accept the challenge. It will change your life for the best.

  221. I see you finally found a Bible. Did you notice it doesn't say what you said it says?

  222. Muslims only care to discuss with people they can bully and pull the wool over their eyes.

  223. It really seems that you are unable to keep a thought straight in your mind. Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist? You might be helped with medications.

    Where's all my money from the gold and oil we supposedly got from Iraq?

    You still can't tell the story of Lot correctly. You are really a waste of time.

  224. OMG! sanada how can i even debate with you . you are ignorant . in quran Q 4:48. this aya means that God doesnt forgive people who involve with him that means that people who blasphemer . look dont bring me ayat in quran that you dont even understand . and in arabic differ from english so we understand it this .

  225. first of all you have many mistakes. God (ALLAH) doesnt have a feeling and he doesnt have a voice . and second jesus is not a saw and you ignorant saw stands for ( sallaho alehe w salim) and second about gays and lesbains , i can show you a video of gays and lesbains are gettin married in cherch in their believe . and god doesnt have a son and this fake story that you made is not from islamic resoarce . in quran soraat al e^la)s (لم يلد ولم يولد this means god wasnt born and he didnt have a child . and when you said that god told muhammad my son this prove that you are ignorant . this is a blasphemy . and the sexual relationship in what they call bible is very illmanared . and aisha he did have her puberty and the evidence you brought doenst have anything to do with it.

  226. Americans persecute Muslims, eh, on what ground? Look at their freedom there, the mosques, their organizations, Mr. Presidents tongue and lip then compare it with muslim world. I can say the same thing to non muslims in Indonesia and other Islamic countries, worse things happen in here and there, much worse than USA. Muslims suffering in the west is child play and yet you cry like a child, pathetic little kid. Only gullible westerner believes this nonsense.

  227. Who knows … who knows. Why can’t Allah lie and put us in heaven instead? Listen to our great teacher, Hakan. Be “skeptical”, be inconsistent, be biased, be … (Censored due to …)

  228. It would be accurate if “MAIN POINT” changed to “MAIN BELIEF” because without it your comment will be worse, a complete rubbish.

  229. I can bring this, I can bring that. Just bring it already.

  230. So you are 17. That will sum up everything.

  231. That will strengthen the point.

  232. Do list it, now.

  233. Pleading will get you nowhere. Paradise is cheap and muslim by definition has the same criterion, shahada:

    Sahih Bukhari:
    1.21:
    Narrated Abu Sa`id Al−Khudri: The Prophet said, "When the people of Paradise will enter Paradise and the people of Hell will go to Hell, Allah will order those who have had faith equal to the weight of a grain of mustard seed to be taken out from Hell. So they will be taken out but (by then) they will be blackened (charred). Then they will be put in the river of Haya' (rain) or Hayat (life) (the Narrator is in doubt as to which is the right term), and they will revive like a grain that grows near the bank of a flood channel. Don't you see that it comes out yellow and twisted"

    2.329:
    Narrated Abu Dhar: Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."

    9.507…The Prophet added, "There will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal−lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: ' La ilaha illal−lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of a wheat grain. Then there will come out of Hell (Fire) everyone who says: 'La ilaha illal−lah,' and has in his heart good equal to the weight of an atom (or a smallest ant).

    9.532.2 …They will say, 'O Allah! (Save) our brothers (for they) used to pray with us, fast with us and also do good deeds with us.' Allah will say, 'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of one (gold) Dinar.' Allah will forbid the Fire to burn the faces of those sinners. They will go to them and find some of them in Hell (Fire) up to their feet, and some up to the middle of their legs. So they will take out those whom they will recognize and then they will return, and Allah will say (to them), 'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of one half Dinar.'

    Q 4:48. Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin.

  234. Listen, if you want to address John K then reply to him, not Sina and only an imbecile needs to repeat the same sentences in the same page. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I say what I see. It’s pure fact.

    According to you, psychopath means,

    1. A person who makes an allegation with supportive evidence => my own dict says: childish muslim denial
    2. A person who offends you according to your view => my own dict says: sensitive and insecure muslim
    3. Polytheists, Animists, Hindus, Christians, and even Jews (Uzair) => my own dict says: religious “tolerance” ala Islam.

    When will your dictionary comes out? 1000 years later? Mine was already out long ago, you know.

    Muhammad is poor? Please elaborate. If he had given all the money he got he wouldn’t capable to give money to his own household matters and his multiple wives, let alone presents like necklace.

    Muhammad thought to be kind? A verse, please. If you mean to fellow muslim, don’t bother then.

  235. Sina is silenced? He’s everywhere as you can see in this comment page replying unnecessary nonsense. On the contrary muslims are silenced. Where are you, muslims? Why didn’t you dare to discuss Islam with me?

  236. Yup, he doesn’t know it judging from the reply.

  237. Wrong. From Christian point of view, prophethood of Jesus is a blasphemy. From my view or rational view this is called bootlicking. And of course from muslim view this is right, duh, what’s not right in your eyes, eh? Everything is right as long as Muhammad called it right. Hah, that’s basic.

  238. Time for parable:

    Allah: Darliiiing! I’m hungryyyyy. Where is my breakfaaaaast?
    Mary: Hold on, darling. Be right up.
    Allah: How’s little Jesus?
    Mary: Oh, he is playing now with some neighbors, he’s there wearing white shirt
    Allah: Oh, they’re playing wrestling, my favorite sport. Who’s the kid Jesus choke slammed, boy in red shirt? My eyes are blurry, can’t see him well. Where is that damn glasses, anyway? Go pick it, darling!
    Mary: Be patient, I am cooking here.
    Allah: A wife must obey his husband even if she is cooking!!!!
    Mary: But, the food will be burnt, darling
    Allah: Which one is more important? The food or your husband ego, hah!
    Mary: I, I’ll get it right away. … Here, your glasses. Ah, the food.
    Allah: Screw the food, just cook it again! Who’s the boy? Damn, even with this I still can’t see perfectly!
    Mary: You can go closer, darling and see it for your self
    Allah: How dare you! No one order me to reach someone. Everyday, my personal secretary, Gabriel always do things for me! But he’s out now, destroying someone’s life. Now, who’s the boy in red shirt!
    Mary: I, if I’m not mistaken that boy is Muhammad s.o.b, ops, I mean son of Abdullah, our neighbor and your employee
    Allah: Bah, that Abdullah is sinful and wretched! His name shames me. He doesn’t recognize me as the sole leader of the company and soon I’ll “fire” him. But good, at least that boy resembles me in attitude and appearance. Hmm, wait darling, why Jesus doesn’t resemble me at all?
    Mary: Eh, I, I don’t know (pretending)
    Allah: Ah, don’t tell me he is not my son!
    Mary: What do you mean? O, Of course he is your son (nervous)
    Allah: Bah, it must be that man, Yahweh! I knew it! You *piiiip*! (censored due to vulgar language)
    Mary: No, noooo!
    Allah: Take this! *piiip* (beating her)
    Mary: Ahhhhh…! But you yourself had cheated, that’s why I did that, and that boy, Muhammad is… ugh (he strikes her chest)
    Allah: Shut up, woman! I can do that to many women as I please! (still beating her)
    Mary: ….. (weeping silently)
    Allah: Hey, you boy! Come here!
    Muhammad: What is it, mister?
    Allah: From now on you are my “son”. Leave your father and come to me.
    Muhammad: Why? You are not my father.
    Allah: But you are (saying in his heart). Your father will be screwed anyway, but you are different, just come and work for me, be loyal only to me. I’ll polish you, I’ll give you anything you want, special rights, fame, status, girls, anything.
    Muhammad: Really? Uh, oh, ok.

    Note: there is an Islamic morality in above story.

    There, are you satisfied?

  239. You wrote, “Chirstan's regard the marriage between gays and lesbain what is this insanity!!!!!!!1”

    Oh, the emotion, I can feel it, a typical angered but ignorant muslim. I’ve seen that too many times. The marriage is endorsed by the secular society not the religious one. Religious one including Christians will forever against it. Go check the fact first, kid.

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    Romans 1:

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    You wrote, “chirstan's after finish their needs in bathroom they dont clean themselves what is this insanity!!!!!!”

    I sense a heavy muslim POV and ignorance here. I assume you were talking about westerner’s cultural behavior in the toilet. You see, even Chinese who are not Christians don’t do that if they are raised in the west and adapted to western culture. Asian Christians do clean themselves with water. It's cultural not religious.

    Muslim dictionary and stupidity:

    Don’t clean the private part using water after “business” in toilet = insanity
    Clean the private part using water = sanity
    Mental hospital in muslim view = full of “Christians”

    Kid, you are so stupid, really. You should see that from scientific view not from 7th century barbarian’s view. If you followed an ignorant man you’d become ignorant too.

    You wrote, “Chirstan's believe that Prophet Jesus(SAW) is a son and a fatherat the same time what is this Contradiction.”

    How many times you had mistyped “Christian”, eh? Also, Jesus is AS not SAW, you ignorant.

    Now this is the climax, a climax of your own brain capacity. Don’t get me wrong here, I do not believe it but I can see that in religious and supernatural realm, that’s possible. What Christians had meant is, “Son” is not necessarily a biological son and so is the “Father”. Both of it is not necessarily different. Muhammad didn’t understand spirituality, philosophy and thought that the trinity is like a biological family.

  240. You wrote, “Chirstan's say that prophet Moises lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    So? Every prophet had sins, including Muhammad. Beside, lying is also permitted in Islam as long as it conforms the Islamic mission. Don’t bring useless statement next time. For your record, Moses had many defects if you read Bible and that makes him human unlike Muhammad who was venerated beyond imagination.

    You wrote, “Chirstan's talk about sexual relationship in what they call bible”

    So? Sexual relationship is natural, beside Bible is not the same with Quran, it has many elements outside religion such as poetry. How old are you anyway? When comes to this Islam is far more vulgar on practice. Allah understands it (Q 2:187) and even in your heaven is all about sex. Next time, bring reference for the alleged “pornography”.

    You wrote, “chirstan believe that in one of their what they call bible that everything hung on a wood is curse and they believe that prophet Jesus is was crucifixed on a wood”

    Listen, contradiction appears to learned people. For unlearned people, everything they don’t like is contradiction in their eyes. And if you want to show that “everything hung on cross is a curse” then prove it with reference and argument. You talk like a kid. A kid can only complain without good reason. Here it is, Galatians:

    003:006 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
    003:007 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
    003:008 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
    003:009 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
    003:010 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
    003:011 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    003:012 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
    003:013 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    When an ignorant muslim like you try to shoot the result will be the same, a complete nonsense. Read above verses carefully and you’ll get:

    1. Abraham lived by faith not law and people who lived by it are the children of Abraham
    2. God counts the gentile’s faith
    3. The law itself is not faith and many people who lived by it were cursed
    4. People who lived by the law depend on that law not god (reminds me of muslim)
    5. Jesus erased that by breaking the curse of the law and bearing all curses of humanity because everyone that hanged on a tree is cursed (according to the law)

    In short, Jesus was absorbing all negative elements in humanity in order to cleanse humans and the place was the cross, a negative place. Done, Mr. Ignorant? Do some reading next time, will you?

    Yes, they believe Jesus was crucified but don’t get too excited yet since muslim also believe that Jesus wasn’t. Question, what is belief? How about I say that both of it are wrong? Let me try it, I believe that Jesus stayed alive, never had anything to do with cross (he’s neither died on it or escaped it), and still lives until know, hiding, watching and controlling the world affair using his minions such as the world leaders and secret societies. Oh, CT again.

  241. So? You do realize you just shot your own foot eh?

  242. You wrote, “if you want to play it this let me talk about your religon. chirstan's believe that prophet lot got drunk and had sexual relationship with his both daughters and then they got pregnant!!!!!!!!!!!! and bought children.”

    Oh, game time! Sure, sure but your attack had missed since Sina doesn’t belong to any religion, John K does but alas, your attack shot blank like … oh, forget it. By the way, does -1 + -1 = 0?

    Lot, Lot, Lot, where did I hear this? Surely, not “looting” right? Because that’s Muhammad and Muhammad is not in Bible. Hmm … ah, did you mean Genesis Chapter 19?

    Read the whole story from Hebrew Bible:

    29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the Plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt.

    30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar; and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

    31 And the first-born said unto the younger: 'Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth.

    32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.'

    33 And they made their father drink wine that night. And the first-born went in, and lay with her father; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

    34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the first-born said unto the younger: 'Behold, I lay yesternight with my father. Let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.'

    35 And they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose, and lay with him; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

    36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

    You should consider that:

    1. Lot’s hometown was destroyed and so were his people.
    2. Lot wasn’t a prophet and didn’t teach anything, he was out because of the “nepotism” of Abraham
    3. Lot didn’t have the intention to sleep with his daughter
    4. Drinking wine wasn’t a sin and in earlier phase of Islam, Allah didn’t forbid it. Assuming that Allah knew Lot’s story, he still didn’t say anything against it.
    5. The daughters did it out of choice (bloodline), beside incest had been done by ancient people on “certain condition and reason”. Nowadays, incest produces defective humans.
    6. Impregnating 2 women in 2 days straight using old xxxx? Wow. Lot 2 – 0 Muhammad.

    Well, well, well, Muhammad certainly cannot be compared to these people. Do you even read something? Apparently, John K is right here and you have picked the right user name. Don’t get me wrong, I judge fairly here. You want respect, earn it.

    Additional info: Lot was depicted as “worldly man” in Gen 13:10-11, “associated with evil men” in Gen 13:12-13, 19:1, and “total loser” (Oh, I’m not talking about you, so don’t worry, be happy, ok) in Gen 19:24-38.

    Comparative questions:

    1. What is Muhammad to Muslim and what is Lot to Christian?
    2. What is Quran and what is Bible?
    3. Who raped who?

  243. Ok, since the “tape recorder” is insisting on an answer then I’ll give you some short points. The long points do exist if you read and study Bible, this site/other Islamic critics, and your own scriptures.

    You wrote, “When Prophet Muhammad was 25 he got married to kadiga and she was 40 years old”

    What’s your point mentioning this irrelevant statement? I suggest you study first about the condition of Muhammad at that time and who did the proposal. There is no merit in ignorant statement.

    You wrote, “At that time girls use to have their puberty at a very early age”

    Some reference would be better, you know. How about I reverse it? At that time girls used to have their puberty at later age than now due to the lack of nutrients.

    Sahih Bukhari 3.829:
    Narrated Aisha: … The people who used to carry me on the camel, came to my Howdah and put it on the back of the camel, thinking that I was in it, as, at that time, women were light in weight, and thin and lean, and did not use to eat much. So, those people did not feel the difference in the heaviness of the Howdah while lifting it, and they put it over the camel …

    You should study a girl from psychological side too. Don’t put too many credits on human physical condition. Are you male?

    You wrote, “Muhammad married Aisha at 6 years. but if you look deeply you could find that prophet Muhammad didnt make relationship with her until she got her puberty this maens that she was ready”

    I did look deeply and I didn’t found that “she was ready” nor she had puberty at 9. She didn’t have it, you know.

    Sahih Bukhari 8.151:
    Narrated `Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath−ul−Bari page 143, Vol.13)

    7.163:
    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

    Sahih Muslim 8:3311:
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

    Sunan Abu Dawood 41.4914:
    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store−room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.

    Why do you even protest since this is ok?

    Sahih Bukhari 7.63:
    Narrated Sahl bin Sa`d: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sa`d, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Qur'an (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).

    Q 65:4. And [as for] those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and [as for] the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of [his duty to] Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

    Check also my reply to Marwan.

  244. If you ever bother to do my advice to you, you wouldn’t say this. I had agreed with John K that you are gibberish and I actually had given you the benefit of not having shame when shown to your nonsense. Wise people investigate first then talk in order to avoid useless repetition.

  245. Let\’s say you are 17 and you marry a girl who is 13. Although that is stupid, it is not a horror. After all both of you are juvenile and will grow up together. Most likely you will divorce. But it is terribly wrong for a 53 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl let alone a six year old girl.

    There is no punishment for a 17 year old boy who has sex with a 13 year old girl, but if the boy is 18, he can face trial. That is considered statutory rape of a minor.

  246. Christians believe in Lot as much as Muslims do. So whatever you say about them applies also to you. Find a fault with Jesus if you can.

    Oh well, if you do then that shows that Muhammad was a liar. ;)

  247. THEY SAID IN Passage Genesis 19:30-36
    32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
    33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
    34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
    35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

    36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

  248. they said in Passage Genesis 19:30-36
    32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
    33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
    34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
    35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

    36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

  249. look maybe i didnt get the complete story . chirstan's believe that prophet lot had sexual relationship with his daughters and all know this . and i can bring for you ayat from quran that point about the neighbor's respect . john you are a kind of person that deny the fact how should i even debate with you when your logic is based on lies and rumors

  250. first , for my pervious insult , i promise i wont repeat it . john i have been studying about my religon for a long time , and like i said prophet muhammad told that we are goingto reach a period of time where ignorancy will rise and many ignorant people considering themselves muslims are blasphemer because of their wrong believe . you could see many ignorant people like : oussma and others who starts hurting themselves in ashoura . btw not everything can be explain on internet . and one more thing islam is not terrioust oussma made people think that we are terrioust . please dont take oussma as a muslim btw i can list this wrong believes.

  251. I'm 17 years old and im muslim. i have the rights to marry a girl who's 12 years old but i cant have sexual relationship with her until he gets her puberty . muhammad married aisha (aisha was abou baker's daughter muhammad's friend) . at that time girls use to have their puberty at a young age . so aisha got married to muhammad when her body was mature enough .

  252. Ali Sina I want to point out that Mahatma Gandhi and his wife got married at 13 years(both) of age not 8-9.

  253. I will have to look more into the subject, but I'm not convinced he was a pedophile.
    Things have to be put in context.

    When you say that children were betrothed together, but not old men and little girls, I'm not sure this is exact. Wikipedia about child marriage:

    "The first and more widespread practice is that of marrying a young child (generally defined as below the age of fifteen) to an adult. Due to women's shorter reproductive life period (relative to men's), perhaps, the practice of child marriage tends to be of young girls to fully-grown men."

    From what I know of european history, during middle ages (and probably before but I'm not sure) young girls were married to grown up men in their 30s, 40s or more in upper class circles at least, and marriage were consummated when girls were 12. That was considered the sexual maturity for girls.
    Sure 9 is really young… But some girls have their first period really young (at 8 or 9 sometimes). Could it be that Aisha became "a woman" (the meaning of having their first period according to many cultures and also physically speaking) at 9? In that case in no way would it have been seen as pedophilia by people at that time, and this has nothing to do with being brainwashed by Islam.

    I think the subject should be treated carefully, and many stuff people did back in time can easily be misinterpreted.

  254. Really, you need to give it up. Instead of trying to tell Dr. Sina anything about Islam, YOU need to LISTEN to what Dr. Sina can teach YOU about Islam.

    You are obviously uneducated, and you come here trying to teach something to people with far more education and qualifications and knowledge about Islam than you will ever have if you don't start listening to people who know more than you.

  255. Islam has made a bad picture of itself. The Quran teaches Muslims to be terrorists and beat their wives. You are typical of ignorant Muslims who do not know their own religion.

  256. The oldest tactic for fake debaters in the world – accuse your opponent of what you are – Mr. Unknown Psychopath.

    You don't even know your facts about your criminal Muhammad. He got rich from a life of robbery and murder. You are a member and believer in a medieval death cult.

    Muhammad taught you to kill your neighbors wherever you find them. Your letter really REEKS of kindness. I can tell how SPECIAL Islam is NOT!

    You don't even know how to tell the story of Lot, you Muslim idiot.

  257. You can't even get the story straight. Why should I even listen to you, you idiot?

  258. there many people who have the real believe ,have guide for the right path . like countries that was in the soviet union because ignorant people didnt have the power to spread their evil book and blasphemer in soviet union. and you could find in sudan ( not all of them ) and habasha and indonisea and maylasia and many in arab countries . so dont think that all who say we are muslim they are . maybe if you pick 3000 people written on their Id muslim . you would 1 muslim . because many wrong believes where spread all over the world for the last 150 years . so please dont fight people like oussma under the name of islam please.

  259. look chirstan's are like 70 groups or more : protostan chelolic and orthodox and etc….. all of them consider themselve as a chirstans. but islam is one and it cant be divded these people like ousama have wrong believe and these who start getting knifes and hurting themselves in ashoura are also non muslim . they believe its a good deed from this believe they blaspheme. im going to tell in india afganistan , saudi arabia, and other arab countries , have ignorant people that consider themselves muslims but their not , oussma doesnt know what are the conditions of jihad so he starts going on tv and saying jihad .prophet muhammad told us that their are going to rise an ignorant people that consider themselves as isalm but they arent , who believe that exploding himself is a good deed then he is blasphemer ( kafr) and im with to fight these barbian people who hurts their wives and explode themselves but not under the name of islam . and ali sina i hope on to meet with you . to explain to you more about islam and remove this bad picture you have . please stop offending these ignorant people under the name of islam . because they are not .

  260. There are many fallacies and insults in your comments. But I ask you one question. Muhammad said his people will be divided to 73 groups (they are actually more), only one of them will go to heaven and the rest will go to hell. Can you tell us which group is the guided one? Did he give any indication as to how to know which one is the one that will go to heaven?
    All Muslims think they are the one that go to heaven and anyone who thinks differently is heretic and will go to hell. That is why they are killing each other. Please help us identify this guided group.
    BTW if you are among those who think insults are a good substitute to logical arguments, I will ignore your future message.

  261. You know ,what's your problem all is that you have taken a bad picture about Islam , islam dosnt order to be terrioust or to blow myself up or hite my wife or etc…. these stuff that you are seeing about isnt true about islam . prophet Muhammad told us that there will be 73 groups or sect that will reveals islam . 72 in hell . 1 in heaven . so these people like ousma and others are just clowns , so dont take them as if they muslims. because they're not .

  262. u know something you are broke up with any relpy so dont make me the idiot . because look after what chirstan's believe . i have read in what they call bible . that a prophet before jesus .abrahm's coasin, prophet lout . chirstan's believe that prophet lout had sexual relationship with his daughters and then he brought kids . so why don't we open this as a disccusion HUH? ali sina is saying that muhammad married aisha at a very early age . why dont we discuss this issue???

  263. U know , John k is a psychopath if you are talking that muhammad made this religon for some personal benefit then you are a big fool because muhammad lived all his life as a unrich person, and when he had money he gave it to the poor , so shut your mouth before you even talk . muhammad fought psychopaht people like you . these people worshipped idol or statues they made, muhammad tought us to be kind to our neighbors and brothers and friends . and something else i want to deliver a message to this mosqito ali sina . in chirstanity they believe in a prophet before jesus named loot or lut لوط got drunk and had sexual relationship with his daughters. What do you explain this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  264. U know , this everin is a very twisted person , i didnt say that jesus got children . im saying that chirstan's believe in a prophet before jesus named lut or loot لوط got drunk and had sexual relationship with his own daughters . why dont we discuss such a thing and show the people. what is a stupid believe huhh , btw i read it in what they call bible. and in USA dont you cosider occuping in a coutry and stealing it's gold and petroleum and killing it's people as a terrioust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what happened in iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  265. Jazz is really on the right path here.

    "The rest of your arguments are….I am sorry, garbage.

    if you look for garbage, you will find garbage."

    All of Dr. Sina's arguments are from the Quran and the most accepted Hadiths and Sira.

    So you are correct. The Quran, Hadith, and Sira are garbage, and prove beyond all doubt that, indeed, ISLAM IS GARBAGE.

    Muhammad was very special to deliver this garbage as a gift to mankind.

    Muhammad = Allah. Therefore Allah telling Muhammad to marry Aisha = Muhammad telling Muhammad to marry Aisha.

    Therefore, this, like the rest of the Quran, is to satisfy Muhammad's lusts. Islam is nothing but the propagation of Muhammad's lusts – for sex, for booty, for power, for blood.

  266. I certainly would hope that the rattling of the Muslim world will not depend on Allah!

  267. It seems Unknown is also unknowing about what happened in Iraq.
    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/20100830.a

    Who Died In Iraq

    August 30, 2010: With only 50,000 American troops left in Iraq, and none of them committed to full time combat operations, one can get a sense of what the human cost of the seven year war was. Foreign forces lost 4,735 troops (93 percent American). Iraqi security forces lost about 6,000 police and soldiers. About 100,000 Iraqi civilians died, but over a third of these were members of terrorist groups (mostly Sunni, including al Qaeda). Another ten percent were members of various anti-terrorist militias. The U.S. tried to identify as many dead enemy fighters as it could, but those numbers are currently classified. Based on information that did leak out, it's clear that the terrorist groups lost over 30,000 people. Most of the civilians were killed by terrorists, most of the terrorist deaths were caused by American troops.

  268. "Never argue with idiots. First they'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with their experience!"

    There is no point in trying to teach anything to an ignorant barbarian who does not want to learn. If you would like to learn, don't open the door with both arms swinging.

  269. I have seen in many instances muslims when justifying muhammed's marriage to aisha says that it was a common practice for old men to marry little girls1400 years ago. But i disagree with that.

    There is a sermon made by Buddha to his disciples on the subject how a man can make his own destructions due to his actions. There he says, old men marrying young women can cause a man's destruction. One of the reasons he points out is that old man is looked down upon by the rest ofthe society. This reveals even 2600 years ago old men marrying girls was considered as a disrespectful act by the society in ancient india.

  270. "you need to note that muhammed did not choose to marry aisha;
    THIS IS A MAIN POINT.
    allah told him to marry heryou need to note that muhammed did not choose to marry aisha; THIS IS A MAIN POINT. allah told him to marry her"

    How do u know allah wanted muhammed to marry her? who said allah wanted that? Isnt it myhammed? So again it was moomad that told to the world allah wanted too marry aisha. Dont u have any common sense? If a man comes to u and say the god sent him a msg that he should marry u'r daughter, would u believe him?

    If muhammed didnt marry aisha , peodophiles would not have the chance to marry little girls in the muslim world today….Only a peodophile can be happy that muhammed did that to aisha.

  271. The entire world, Muslim and non Muslim, believe Ibrahim was Muhammad\’s son, but not me and I have found the evidence in the very Islamic sources. Read my book and you\’ll also start wondering maybe everyone is wrong and Ali Sina has indeed discovered something no one has thought about it. The pdf version of the previous edition is free.

  272. For the next three months consider me absent. I am on a big project, something that will rattle the Muslim world , Insha allah!

  273. “The fact that you have to buy his book to get your answers is weird…..”

    You obviously did not even read the introductory page to my book. I know Muslims will never buy my book. So I offer them the previous edition of it in pdf for free.

    “and why do you seem to only attack Islam?”
    I attack only Islam because other religions are not evil. I merely beg not to agree with them. But Islam is sheer evil.

    “Honestly, if you disprove Islam, you also disprove Judaism and Christianity.”

    How come? That is not true at all. The reverse is however true. Muhammad admitted that Jesus and Moses were prophets of God. It was funny when one Muslims tried to prove these prophets are false. When I told him Muhammad mentions Jesus and Moses, he said, no, Muhammad mentions Isa and Musa who are not the same. LOL

    Strange is indeed the Muslim mind.

  274. The fact that you have to buy his book to get your answers is weird…..

    if you were sooo right and wanted to lead people to the right direction, why would you make your followers buy your book?
    and why do you seem to only attack Islam?
    Honestly, if you disprove Islam, you also disprove Judaism and Christianity.
    if you are as knowledgeable as you seem to be portraying, I should not have to explain,

    I just have one question, what do you believe? what is the right way if this is wrong?
    or do i have to buy your book?

    another point,
    you need to note that muhammed did not choose to marry aisha;
    THIS IS A MAIN POINT.
    allah told him to marry her.
    without the marriage of aisha and muhammed, thousands of hadith would be lost.
    so i thank allah that he married her, because without this marriage; many of the practices of islam we might not know about.

    The rest of your arguments are….I am sorry, garbage.

    if you look for garbage, you will find garbage.
    but it takes a special person to try and deliver garbage as a gift.

    This you are preaching is not truth my brother, but pure shaitan.

    may allah guide us allah in the right direction.

  275. U people cannot live in peace with America. After yr people bombed the 2 US embassies, the US war ship, the USS Cole, n killed 3,000 of US citizens in 9/11 attacks, the US had to attack Afghanistan n Iraq n killed Osama, the mastermind, in revenge. The Law of Cause and Effect is at work, fool. Read the whole picture n don't blah out one side of the story. What rubbish u r talking about ??? Where Jesus got a daughter ??? U r just an unknown psychopath. By the way, I am not a US citizen nor a Christian. I never want to write fairy tales.

  276. Finding AliSina
    Friday 6 May 2011, 8:26 pm

    The Silence of Mr. Ali Sina :)
    Where are you now??

  277. And for tayo . i hope you read my reply everin it applies to you also

  278. Look you brought some myths, folktales to me. its not a way how to reply. why cant you see what happened in iraq how mosques were destroyed , how many muslims died, why cant you see what is happening to the muslims in USA people are breaking into their private property, breaking into their stores …….. look if want play to it like this i have many stories . so dont bring me myths and folktales. i'm talking reality and logic you are talking about muhammad how he married Aisha at a very young age . at that time age for marriage didnt matter why cant you see that muhammad at age of 25 married kadiga and she was 40. if want to discuss such a thing why dont you look at the chirstians they believe that prophet lot got drunk and had sexual relationship with his own daughter and then they brought childern!!!!!!!!!! . you bring me some stories you made them up and your conving me ????????

  279. (contd)
    like i said the Quran has lots of false statements like the one you just made to make muslims seem friendly to unsuspecting people. A lie that it seems only the western society is so eager to swallow with their silly “political correctness” and “islamophobic” terms used against people who are warning them about the threat. In a short while when the Muslim population reaches a critical number in their country, they too will discover and experience firsthand why many African countries are being held backward developmentally. Unfortunately the Caucasians will be the minority by then and it will be too late to save themselves.

  280. (contd)
    Babies were taken from their mothers and thrown alive into open flames. because it was dark the only way the attackers made sure they where only killing non – muslims was that every individual they met as people where running for their life, they would shout a certain simple greeting from the Quran, anybody who failed to respond correctly was instantly hacked to death. i can send you pictures of these gruesome bodies if you want. (contd)

  281. hello
    "from an Islamic view, they believe that Jesus is a great prophet, and Virgin Mary is the greatest women ever created."

    i beg to defer. i live in Nigeria and there’s almost no year in which Christians and other religious people are being brutally murdered in the Muslim north. an example happened in the north of my country last year(another has happened this year already) when  the Muslim Fulani’s raided a village. Majority of the muslims families in the village already knew of the impending attack by their peaceful muslim brothers in advance but instead of warning the rest of the village or warning their neighbours, these muslims who you claim loves Jesus so much quietly left the village. the assault started in the dead of night when most of the families were sleeping and defenceless. women and children were raped and cut to death by machete. (contd)

  282. you know, Ali sina for second i felt sorry for you your nothing but an ignorant person. you take ayat from quran and you expain them the way you want. you dont have any reply for muhammad or islam only rumors and lies . and second thing to asure that your a ignorant from the your previous reply you said that ibrahim was not the son of muhammad . you can ask any muslim or open any islamic books you could that ibrahim was his son. so an advise go to your home.

  283. What's obivous that you dont have any reply.

  284. So what? From a rational point of view, we know that Muhammad was a cult leader and a psychopath.

  285. Now, this "Unknown" is the real gibberish. Coming here, not reading anything and typing as he wish.

  286. Obviously you don't know anything about Islam or Christianity, so "Unknown" is an appropriate name for you.

  287. That's what they say for Western consumption. What they really think about Christians is shown every time a church is bombed.

  288. from an Islamic view, they believe that Jesus is a great prophet, and Virgin Mary is the greatest women ever created.

  289. When Prophet Muhammad was 25 he got married to kadiga and she was 40 years old . At that time girls use to have their puberty at a very early age. Muhammad married Aisha at 6 years. but if you look deeply you could find that prophet Muhammad didnt make relationship with her until she got her puberty this maens that she was ready. if you want to play it this let me talk about your religon. chirstan's believe that prophet lot got drunk and had sexual relationship with his both daughters and then they got pregnant!!!!!!!!!!!! and bought children. Chirstan's say that prophet Moises lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chirstan's talk about sexual relationship in what they call bible . chirstan believe that in one of their what they call bible that everything hung on a wood is curse and they believe that prophet Jesus is was crucifixed on a wood. what this Contradiction
    Chirstan's regard the marriage between gays and lesbain what is this insanity!!!!!!!1
    chirstan's after finish their needs in bathroom they dont clean themselves what is this insanity!!!!!!
    Chirstan's believe that Prophet Jesus(SAW) is a son and a fatherat the same time what is this Contradiction. .

  290. You wrote, “See how little girls are abused in many Western countries by older men and observe the denigration of white women and girls in the Western world.”

    Example? What do you mean by denigration? Can you elaborate so that I can compare it with Islamic morality?

    You wrote, “I and many of my hindu girlfriends cannot accept this and we do not want total Westernization of INdia and islamic world.”

    Hmmm, what I find strange is that why you only mentioned Islamic world? There are many “worlds” such as South American, South East Asian, East Asian, African, etc.

    You wrote, “The dignity of Hindu and Muslim women must be respected and I investigate this all the time.”

    Sure, sure everyone wants to preserve dignity but it depends on what a “dignity” is.

    You wrote, “The Islamic view that a woman is more than attractive flesh do sounds interesting for me and other HIndus.”

    Ignorant statement. From this alone I know you don’t know Islam or … since I smell an indication of … (fill the blank, readers). Does Hinduism see women as sexual object?

    You wrote, “Women issues are very complicated.”

    Not at all if you ask the women. It becomes complicated if you ask men only, such as Muhammad.

    You wrote, “Maybe you must study my new book: "Koran: forbid or rewrite? A guide for peaceful deislamicization'.”

    Forbid: Yes, Rewrite: Not possible, unless you bring one more prophet or angel or whatever.

    You wrote, “I want to be a scientific thinker and be honest toward muslims, because they are normal humans with the same human rights and same freedom to live how they want.”

    You want to be scientific thinker? Your post doesn’t show that. Mr. Author, on the contrary, muslims are “normal” human (from nature’s perspective) and that’s precisely what makes them as potential danger. Muslims don’t want freedom, what they want is heaven and safety for their soul. Freedom can go to hell for all they care since it is American thing. Islam means submission and muslim is a slave of Allah. Which one indicates freedom? What is freedom exactly?

    You wrote, “Hindu writer and researcher, delft, Holland”

    You wrote this post and live in Holland? It’s quite hypocritical.

    Where is continuum by the way? This topic suits you and him well, a Hindu who hates Islam vs A Hindu who appeases Islam.

  291. You wrote, “The ancient Hindus, Greeks and Romans were already having sex with underaged girls, I think”

    “I think” is a weak statement. Can you at least point out to a reference?

    You wrote, “Even nowadays in India there are Hindu families who marry their young daughter off to older and richer men, for money and bread.”

    How young they are? Do you agree with this act or consider this just as another culture?

    You wrote, “The practice of dowry in India is very bad for girls. My point is that the rights of little girls are also abused in non-islamic countries and cultures.”

    2 wrongs don’t make one right. From the outsider’s point of view I would take Islam as the true threat due to their aggression on conversion and scripture’s sanction (not culture). Is there any sanction in Indian government or Hindu scriptures?

    You wrote, “Ancient cultures were primitive and based on sexual feelings and desires.”

    It depends on what you call primitive. Even in the present days we still have that you know. We cannot escape our nature, we can only contain it.

    You wrote, “During the time of Mohammed it was normal that underaged girls married with rich and older man; possibly all over the world. Even in medieval Europe and India childmarriages were normal. I think that you must mention this in your text about Mohammed, to be honest.”

    If you ever bother to really read the article or my response to Marwan, you wouldn’t say this. Or maybe you can represent Marwan on this and answer my points. What do you say?

    You wrote, “In modern Islam the sexualisation of women is not an issue anymore.”

    What do you mean by that? Please elaborate. One thing for certain, the basic human rights for women is an issue, a big one.

    You wrote, ” Saoudie Arabia is the only country where there are miss Burqa contests and there it is the spirit of the girls what is important and not their flesh.”

    I don’t get this. Miss Universe or Miss World also judge women from their quality be it for their appearance, attitude or intelligence. There are also many competitions that involving women’s capability in the west. Can you elaborate what is the criterion judged in Miss Burqa? Do you mean that Islamic countries other than Saudi Arabia don’t judge women well based on this? Weird conclusion.

    You wrote, “This is interesting for me as a Hindu, because westernization leads to sexualisation of all Hindu women and many Hindus object to this.”

    Excuse me Mr. Author, from year 1 woman was already sexualized (from the prehistoric era to Muhammad’s era until now) and that came from the nature of men. From that natural view came various norms in different ages. I want to ask you, what is westernization and what’s the limit?

  292. namaste,

    I want to know more about sexual relations between old men and little girls in ancient cultures and religions. Is there any research available. The ancient Hindus, Greeks and Romans were already having sex with underaged girls, I think. Even nowadays in India there are Hindu families who marry their young daughter off to older and richer men, for money and bread. The practice of dowry in India is very bad for girls. My point is that the rights of little girls are also abused in non-islamic countries and cultures.

    Ancient cultures were primitive and based on sexual feelings and desires. During the time of Mohammed it was normal that underaged girls married with rich and older man; possibly all over the world. Even in medieval Europe and India childmarriages were normal. I think that you must mention this in your text about Mohammed, to be honest.

    In modern Islam the sexualisation of women is not an issue anymore. Saoudie Arabia is the only country where there are miss Burqa contests and there it is the spirit of the girls what is important and not their flesh. This is interesting for me as a Hindu, because westernization leads to sexualisation of all Hindu women and many Hindus object to this. See how little girls are abused in many Western countries by older men and observe the denigration of white women and girls in the Western world. I and many of my hindu girlfriends cannot accept this and we do not want total Westernization of INdia and islamic world. The dignity of Hindu and Muslim women must be respected and I investigate this all the time. The Islamic view that a woman is more than attractive flesh do sounds interesting for me and other HIndus.

    Women issues are very complicated. Maybe you must study my new book: "Koran: forbid or rewrite? A guide for peaceful deislamicization'. You can find it with google, it is published by Strategic Book Group. I want to be a scientific thinker and be honest toward muslims, because they are normal humans with the same human rights and same freedom to live how they want.

    regards

    dewanand
    Hindu writer and researcher
    delft, Holland
    site: Critical Podium Dewanand

  293. I heard Ayesha was 9 but in "Galapagos tortoise" years

  294. Here is Muhammad blaming his lack of sexual potency, forgetfulness and imaginary delusion on the effects of a magic spell cast on him by Labid ibn Al A’sam.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660: Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. Then one day he said, "O 'Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about?

    Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied he is under the effect of magic. The first one asked who has worked magic on him?' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite

    ' The first one asked, what material did he use?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where?' The other replied. 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan' '' So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream). Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils."

    The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out". I said "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people."

    Quran Sura Alam Nashra 94: 1 – 8 Have We not opened your heart, and relieved you of the burden which weighed down heavily on your back, and raised your word? So, with every difficulty there is relief; indeed, with every difficulty there is relief. Therefore, when your task is over, prepare yourself and seek your Lord with all fervor.

    Aisha said, “Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not” and “Why do you (Muhammad) not treat yourself with Nashra?"

    Such sly mockery and word play by Aisha is admirable, apparently Aisha had her own mind. Muhammad had short comings, defects, delusions and doubt.

  295. How old are you? Assuming you are sixty, are you still in the same shape as you were when you were 25? Muhammad was not impotent when he was young. He had six children with Khadijah. Later in life he developed Acromegaly. One of the symptoms of acromegaly is impotence.

    No, Ibrahim was not his own son. I have explained this point and have quoted various hadith and made a very logical argument to prove that Ibarahim was not Muhammad\’s son. I think if you read my book you will also start doubting what we all took so far as fact.

  296. impotent? you mean he was firing blanks/defeckts?
    wasn't maria the egyptian lass pregnant with his child, ibrahim?
    what about his daughters – his son qasim?
    not impotence but sumthing els prhaps?

    didn't he – purportidly – hav it of with all his wives in wun night – that his followeres thought he had
    the strength'v twenty (staliuns?)

    ta

  297. I have to agree Wikipedia is a mess. In the Comparative Literature program, we were taught that the Encyclopedia Brittanica is standard scholarly encyclopedia of the English language.

    Nevertheless, I find Wikipedia to be convenient and covering a wider range of topics for which I might want a quick overview, so I use it anyway.

    But I find it somewhat difficult to understand what is going on and whether it is a reflection of their rules and policies or a lack of following them.

    A few years ago I did a survey of contemporary music with Wikipedia and made some contributions where it was lacking. I found that even on such a non-controversial topic that there were edit wars. The normal process for dealing with a dispute is to gain opinions from both sides, and then a decision is made.

    On a more controversial topic that I am familiar with, the Joseph Smith article is so heavily mediated between the pro- and anti-Mormon factions such that the article is not really a good article.

    In looking at Islam, the normal policy that I am aware of for dealing with religions is to tell the story from the perspective of the faithful believers. Hence, it would say something like the Quran being the word of God delivered by the Angel Gabriel rather than the religious text written by Muhammad.

    Then to counterbalance this, there are corresponding articles on Criticism of Islam and Criticism of Muhammad. But checking these articles just before this post, I found that the article on Criticism of Muhammad devoted itself to proving that scholars reject a diagnosis of epilepsy, so I would imagine a closer look at the articles would reveal more of a defense against criticism from the apologists than a presentation of the criticisms.

    I also thought I remembered a reference to Ali Sina in one of the two articles, but that is no longer there, reflecting the difficulty of maintaining a contribution once made.

    So, the articles could probably be straightened out with a considerable amount of effort, but I'm sure such an effort would be even more hotly contested than the Joseph Smith article, and frankly I think few people would be interested in making the effort. I try to just maintain two lines in the Al-Jazeera article, and just by checking back occasionally since I posted one of them, I have had to restore it another two or three times.

    So it would seem the lesson to be learned here is that Wikipedia is unable to fulfill its vision of popular editing leading to completeness and balance by accumulating the sum total of the knowledge of mankind because the politically divisive topics are fought over by the opposite parties to the struggle. Since good people stay busy doing things like working and taking care of families, and evil people spend their time pursuing their agendas, that means the wrong message becomes dominant in these articles, which ties back into your initial post on this thread indicating that Wikipedia is not, in fact, neutral.

  298. Not only reliable but also notable. Wikipedia disagrees with Sina on Muhammad.

  299. You can put anything you want in Wikipedia as long as you reference it to a reliable source.

    You might find yourself in an edit war, though, if you write things people don't like. Then a moderator will lock the article until consensus can be reached on the talk page.

  300. Well a true saint or prophet never preached about to make an religion for eg. Vedas asked to worshipp the God but there is no sect or religion mentioned in Vedas, Buddha asked to follow non-voilence and his follower maked a religion and named it buddhism, same was in the case of christanity. but the only person who for the first time created a religion was mohammed. but it was the bad luck of humanity that this religion become the death-cult for us all.

  301. well said SANADA_10…… Great Scholar Mr. Ali Sina does not have any need to answer fools like Marwan…you have very well shut his mouth with logical yet true facts. May god give some brains to these islamic followers…

  302. Thank you God, after hundred of years finally he send a true prophet to show us that what is reality, we love you sina, God bless you.

  303. Hey, how about Sina debate with wikipedians? Wikipedia insists that Muhammad cannot be considered pedophile and that site is read by many people. Obviously many ignorant people take wikipedia as always right (because it’s neutral, with a quote).

  304. You have adopted the Wikipedia policy not the truth. To know about Islam people can do different ways, study it under scholarship or learn it by themselves, it’s like children learning at formal school and home schooling. If you want to prove who is better, you have to bring them to face each other not committing fallacy like, “scholar is always right”. Let’s just say that Sina is autodidact.

    An academic cannot beat non academic, what will you call it? And since you didn’t dare to debate then what should I call you?

  305. So, Elias Abdullah is a learned one? The words “hate-filled liar”, “racism” and the use of circular reasoning (Riyad us Saliheen #630) in my eyes don’t reflect a learned one. Or it could be that this person is a fake. The fact remains that Elias in this site is the same with other average muslims.

  306. First of all you didn’t deny that you erase Sina’s invitation, so I assume this is true and it makes you a coward. Second, you really didn’t get the idea of how this comment section works. Everyone’s post will not get publish right away it takes time to filter things. Is this the best you can post?

  307. Many claim that. There is one here that claimed to refute Sina and posted his link in Scribd but when I wanted to talk he didn't respond.

  308. What he meant is his comment which is separated part by part. He just wanted to chat, go help the poor lad.

  309. 11. You wrote, “Can you please prove so? By explaining it HERE? That hadith is a direct opposite to what you say.”

    It’s long so read it first. Which hadith?

    You wrote, “Why would she need so? She would of course make that opinion from what she heared from others about their intercourses, She could – for example – see that one Man needed to have sex, while the other could calm himself.”

    This is also assumption. If you want to debunk an assumption at least don’t do it with assumption too. Comparing sex in other people cannot become the basis to measure our own. Let’s say Aisha said, “Prophet can withstand erection with me without intercourse, great huh”, another woman said, “My husband can not, pity me”. Oh that means Muhammad is tougher than that woman’s husband. That could be true if the woman was the same. Then someone said “it’s sexual disorder”. Which one is right? Once again you must read his book first. What is “heared”? Fix your English.

    You wrote, “Entirely another subject, this is a whole other thing.”

    Again, you failed to see the connection and Sina had said , “That is another subject. She did have a fling with Safwan”. Why did you repeat the obvious? You are not stupid, are you? There were many holes in Muhammad’s reaction to that incident but hey it’s just another subject.

    You wrote, “What supports your theory?”

    That’s why he wrote a book.

    You wrote, “I know what will happen, This comment will either be left alone, or deleted, But, That means that you are just making fool of yourself Mr. Sina. Done.”

    Huh? Did you have similar experience in this site or FFI.org? Can you show me which one? No, you don’t know what will happen unless you are a prophet or you had similar pattern in the past. My comments are often left alone by muslims too so we are on the same boat.

    Done too.

  310. 9. You wrote, “A Human is highly influenced by his culture, his Psychology depends on it, his Morality, everything else is Dependant on that.”

    Ah, I remember my old debate with Grace here. I used the exact same thing when deals with the nakedness of human and I used that to criticize god concept and its attitude in Abrahamic religions so actually it can backfire to Islam also. Are you trying to say that Islamic morality was the result of Arabian culture at specific time? Sexual attraction to children is a disorder not culture, just like homosexuality.

    You wrote, “That is not true, I have already mentioned such proof in point 1.”

    I’m afraid that’s wrong example. I’ve mentioned it in my response to you.

    You wrote, “What a contradiction! What about the millions of little girls? The practice of any act about marriage in Islam is Dependant on the consent of the the two partners, Therefore, Simply put, a Marriage with a young girl happens only when she agrees.”

    There is no contradiction. Muslims are 1.2-1.5 billions in number. Let’s say half of it, is men which are 6-7.5 hundred millions. And Sina said “millions” which are 2 millions minimum. Millions compared to hundred millions is right (not to mention the child polygamy). Consent of 2 partners? Reference please. A child’s consent is represented by her parents. In Aisha’s case, Abu Bakr was the one. Jubyar’s case is also the same. Silence also can be interpreted as consent (Bukhari 7.67).

    You wrote, “Zawadi simply states that no such criticism was mentioned in the hadith, or any other source, and there does not exist any evidence of your theory that all the criticism was subdued, please prove that such "removal of criticism" existed.’

    And I simply state that the history of muslims are biased because it was written by the victors. In order to reach neutrality you have to know both sides of the story but the other side was gone, Christians were gone, Jews were gone, Apostates and Polytheists were all gone. It’s easy to become Zawadi, isn’t it? Didn’t Muhammad love to assassinate his critics? Oh, that’s another subject.

    Take example of Gengis Khan. He didn’t wipe out all the opposition and he didn’t impose his faith and ideology to his opponents. In fact, he needed his conquered foes to administrate his empire because Mongols didn’t know how to run a nation. With this we now have 2 differing views of Temujin, one is positive (Mongolians) and another is negative (his victims, like muslim for example). Another example is Aisha, since sunni didn’t wipe out shi’a then we have 2 differing views of Aisha, one is positive (sunni) and another negative (shia). Want another example? Try Islam in India.

    Imagine I killed someone and I hid the murder weapon successfully without anyone noticing then I was accused of discarding that weapon. Can you prove it? Can you provide the evidence or the removal of weapon? No, because I had discarded the evidence.

    10. You wrote, “Aisha was victimized? how? Once again, this falls back to another point which was the discussion on the consent of Aisha.”

    Sure, my response also falls back on that point.

  311. 5. You wrote, “You have not given any proof of Muhammed's narcissism, Do note hide under the cover of "read my book" Please prove it in THIS debate.”

    This is why I said you haven’t read it. Why is it so hard to read one book? The content is long. By the way, is this the same attitude that you had for linking Zawadi’s article? I can say the same “don’t hide under the cover of Zawadi’s links. Prove it in THIS debate”. I can say again, Fix your English please, it’s “not”, not “note”.

    You again are hiding behind a link and this section doesn’t talk about NPD. NPD had at least ten symptoms and five of it is enough for a person to be diagnosed with NPD. Do read his book first and refute the symptoms one by one. Muhammad’s wealth didn’t negate the NPD at all and some if its argument had been dealt in his book and his article in FFI. So basically you were just repeating things and that wouldn’t be necessary if people started to investigate first. This sparks me a question though. Did the income of Muhammad and money for his family come solely on booty/spoil of war? Was he not capable of doing anything else beside it?

    You wrote, “Proof?”

    I say, “his book”. Simple word, isn’t it?

    6. You wrote, “Please give proof for what you say.”

    Well there is no proof that Muhammad wanted to consummate it at 6 but he was the one who forced Abu Bakr using his status:

    Narrated 'Ursa:
    The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for `Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." (Bukhari 7.18)

    And mind you that there is no age limit in Quran about marriage.

    7. You wrote, “Once again, You put Aisha as unaware, Zawadi's argument was that she was aware, a 9-years old child is aware of the world and what is around him/her, She was not simply a baby.”

    From the hadith, she was not aware at 9 and even immature after marriage. Sure I can say 3 years old is aware of the world, aware about cartoon shows, chocolate is delicious, doll is funny, vegetable is a no, etc. Did Zawadi mean this? Human’s awareness develops gradually at different level and just because a human is aware of something doesn’t mean he/she automatically understand all things on this earth. If a woman is raised on safe, loving, rich and secure family, she will not aware about the violence and poverty outside her neighborhood no matter how old she is. Take example of Buddha before the enlightenment. He was a prince and not aware of the suffering of ordinary people until he saw it himself.

    8. You wrote, “Because of the cultist behavior, To any rational person the fallacy is very VERY clear.”

    Not really. You haven’t read his book and cult definition is vast.

    You wrote, “Please do not open the topics of Martyrdom and "Murder" here, we are concerned with one thing, You keep scattering your arguments to a hundred different thing all at once.”

    Again and again he didn’t open anything new or unrelated. It was part of the connection to explain related subject. Marwan, you kept misunderstanding his words.

  312. 4. You wrote, “Really? Then why did Muslims ask for Aisha's own opinion? Why did they? Why at many times You would notice in hadiths of Aisha giving a religious opinion.”

    Yes, she really was not a scholar, merely a witness. You are sunni and sunni hold her so high. At this time a good debater would give at least one example of Aisha’s “religious opinion” that qualifies her as scholar so that we can analyze it but you didn’t, oh I forgot, you wrote to chat not to debate, silly me. Did you mean these opinions?

    Narrated `Aisha:
    The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.". (Bukhari 1.490)

    Narrated `Aisha:
    It is not good that you people have made us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys. No doubt I saw Allah's Apostle praying while I used to lie between him and the Qibla and when he wanted to prostrate, he pushed my legs and I withdrew them. (Bukhari 1.498)

    Narrated `Aisha:
    Had Allah's Apostle known what the women were doing, he would have forbidden them from going to the mosque as the women of Bani Israel had been forbidden. Yahya bin Sa`id (a sub−narrator) asked `Amra (another sub−narrator), "Were the women of Bani Israel forbidden?" She replied "Yes." (Bukhari 1.828)

    (shortened) … Ibn `Abbas added, "When `Umar died I told all this to Aisha and she said, 'May Allah be merciful to `Umar. By Allah, Allah's Apostle did not say that a believer is punished by the weeping of his relatives. But he said, Allah increases the punishment of a non−believer because of the weeping of his relatives." Aisha further added, "The Qur'an is sufficient for you (to clear up this point) as Allah has stated: 'No burdened soul will bear another's burden.' " (35.18). Ibn `Abbas then said, "Only Allah makes one laugh or
    cry." Ibn `Umar did not say anything after that. (Bukhari 2.375)

    Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." (Bukhari 6.311)

    Rehearsing and complaining is far from scholarly work. If you want to argue that she had a good memory, think again. Does the definition of scholar include the capability of memorizing things in detail? If a witness in a court can narrate many of incidents in his/her life related to the suspect/victim, can we call him/her a scholar? Aisha was the favorite wife and Muhammad chose her more than any other wives, Sauda gave her turn to Aisha, and Muhammad died at her chest. So this was not surprising to see Aisha narrating many incidents.

    A scholar is an academic person learned in specific thing. In order to prove that Aisha was really a scholar you have to show that she studied and interpreted Muhammad’s “revelation” using her Arabic skill or had immense knowledge on Arab custom and religion. Show me Aisha’s scholarly commentary on Quranic verses or Arab tradition or her philosophical opinion. Next time bring example.

    Muslim scholars do memorize Quran mindlessly as a part of religious obligation and analyzed the content as a part of scholarly work but they cannot think beyond critical level when analyzing Quranic verses. They will never have critical question and analysis because Muhammad himself forbade too many questions. All they do is, creating the Islamic boundary in their interpretation based on their belief, so no matter how smart they are they will never surpass Muhammad’s standard of law. You can have any kind of interpretation but not criticism or doubt. Any violence, strange, illogical and bad images will be rationalized. But these scholars are not the same as Aisha, because she wasn’t one.

  313. You wrote, “And how couldn't she? Where are the reasons?!”

    For a child to only “know” an old man for the entire of her life since childhood makes any woman not normal beside she would be branded as “dumped by the prophet” and “ungrateful”, so she would have a bad name among muslims if she divorce him (assuming that khula’ah is applicable to Muhammad). Beside, Muhammad wouldn’t allow her to remarry and the decision of divorce was on Muhammad not her. So divorce was not possible. How can she divorce him with these verses around?

    Q 33:6. The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than [the Brotherhood of] Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree [of Allah].

    Q 33: 53. O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, [and then] not [so early as] to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such [behaviour] annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed [to tell you] the truth. And when ye ask [his ladies] for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.

    Verse 6 prevented muslims to marry Aisha while Muhammad was alive and verse 53 after Muhammad’s death. And obviously Aisha couldn’t marry nonbelievers too. Muhammad was the prophet and in Quran many laws didn’t apply to him.

    You wrote, “Another Argument from Ignorance, Aisha was brainwashed, How? What proves this?”

    By her parents who had converted to Islam before she was born. She said that she only remembered Islam as her parents’ religion and Muhammad’s constant visit to indoctrinate her parents about Islam and of course about her (Bukhari 5.245). She didn’t choose Islam but indoctrinated by her parents like any muslim since childhood unlike Safiya and Juwariyah.

    3. You wrote, “What about the non-Muslims? The Jews, for example? Once again, You assume that Islam is a cult, yet do not give any proof for so.”

    So far Islam is proven having cultic element. Oh, the Jews? Non muslims are many but you picked this? Why, Marwan? Was it programmed on your brain that everything bad must be coming from Jews first? It’s a cultic behavior again came from indoctrination that Jews are cursed, rejected, and hated forever more than anyone else. Ok, Judaism is not the target in Sina’s articles since it doesn’t threat anyone on this earth, doesn’t convert people, doesn’t have draconian law anymore, etc. Try to compare it with cult’s characteristic and see for yourself. Which one is more harmful, Islam or Judaism? One point is, Jews could criticize their prophets and kings (Moses and David’s sins in Bible for example) but muslims are blindly devoted to Muhammad with zero criticism just like cult.

  314. You wrote, “So Aisha was a cultist? And Islam a cult? and Muslims are all cultists? What supports this?”

    Islam is a mix between politic and religion. Its activities contain the element of cult. I’ll use wikipedia to simplify things (you can check your self). The characteristic of cult is,

    - Its belief and practice is abnormal and bizarre. Well, Islam does have weird practice and belief such as sneezing, licking hand after eating, weird hajj ritual (often brings casualties), suckling, 5 characteristic of fitra, cursing angels, having beard as a sign of devotion, obsession to ablution (even use sand if there is no water), various weird views on animals, etc

    - Abusive to its own members. Islam abuses its followers on freedom of speech, women’s rights, suspicion, draconian law, sectarian fighting, etc.

    - Exploiting and controlling its followers. Islam uses everything that can be extracted from muslims to reach its goal from trivial (lowest) to death (highest).

    - Excessive devotion and dedication to the leader/founder. Muslims are devoted excessively and blindly to Muhammad (and tend to emulate him) even a small critic about him makes them angry. Beside Muhammad, muslims can also devoted to group leaders such as Khomeini, Hassan Al Banna, or bin Laden.

    - Isolation from family and friends. Islam demands muslims to not care and befriend non believers including families and friends.

    - Authoritarian. Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it?

    Islam also has component that can be called “destructive cult” which has closed society, totalitarian, indoctrination and terrorism. People lose their own identity and replace it with muslim. In Islam there is only one single nation which is muslim. If you want Sina’s proof, read his book.

    You wrote, “First, I think you should better work on your English, You said "were", It is supposed to be "where".

    I think too you should again read Sina’s writing to know that he was perfectly knew how to use “where”. This is a mistype not his English. You better work your reasoning.

    You wrote, “Second, Continue living in Medina! Many Women have done so at that time! Please read on Khula’ah, Talking about something without the knowledge of it is very bad.”

    You have to provide reference that Aisha had other place to go not just mentioning the characteristic of Khula’ah with no detail. Mentioning something without explanation is very bad too you know. I want to ask you few things. In Q 2:226, Allah talked about some men who didn’t want to have sex with their wives and made 4 months limit for those men to go back to their wives, in verse 227 Allah talked about stubborn men who still didn’t want their wives and issued divorce, verse 228 talked about women who were divorced by these stubborn men had to wait 3 monthly period to clear themselves but men could take them back in that period. The women had similar rights but men had advantage over them. Can you elaborate the advantage? These verses talk mainly about men and give little explanation about women.

    You wrote, “I ask for proof for your words, This is an argument from ignorance, You assume everything you say is true without proof.”

    Read his book, it’s long. You didn’t read it judging from your statement. All is there including references.

  315. You wrote, “As for Saffiyah, Very Funny! Bassam Zawadi had also written an article on that topic: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/_safiyyah__the_

    Not so funny when you realize that Sina had made other article about it (Did Muhammad rape Safiya).

    You wrote, “In the second paragraph, We have two points, the first is that You no longer think of Aisha as a victim, You are "not concerned" with her, That means you are not concerned at all with the argument of The Prophet's pedophilia.”

    We? Who’s we? It seems that you didn’t understand this. Concern to Aisha has nothing to do with Mo’s pedophilic attitude and since she’s dead, the concern will hit nothing. Sure we can sympathize with her but that is not important since that thing had already been done anyway. What matter is, the rule Muhammad set which creates new victims till the end of time since pedophilia will exist forever and Muhammad’s status as the last prophet for all ages who had sublime moral and was the best example according to Quran.

    You wrote, “The second point is another thing: "The millions of little girls" You are very much exaggerating, Can you prove that there are millions of little girls today who are married by men in 50s and on? “

    “The millions” means 2 millions at minimum and that’s not exaggeration, the standard of UNICEF is even higher, a girl below 18 can be considered child marriage and there are more than 60 millions girls worldwide married before 18 (it can be 0-17 years old). Just check the statistic for child marriage or child brides in muslim countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Not always old men, adult men can also make these children suffer. Did you want to say that marriage with men below 50 is not considered child marriage?

    2. You wrote, “In the first section, You mentioned Aisha of a girl of six, please note her to be a girl of 9, as she could at any time object, A Parent is responsible for his child until they have grown up, A Parent knows best for his child, thats something you need to keep in mind, Why couldn't Aisha – as a 9 years old – object?”

    A girl of 9 equals to capability to object. May I ask you where did you get this? I can say that even 3 years old can object but on what level, eating chocolate? Sure, parents are responsible but they are just humans who can make mistake, keep that in your mind too. She couldn’t object because she didn’t understand and the consummation was sudden (Bukhari 5.234 and 7.90) and didn’t give her time to think and as 9 years old of course she couldn’t think at that level, she just laughed at it (Abu Dawood 41.4915). She wasn’t mature mentally even after her marriage (Bukhari 3.829) and you wrote that she had the capability to object. Give the source of your opinion next time. If children can object we will have no case in child marriage across the world.

    I notice contradiction in your statement. You said Aisha should object but you also said that parents know best. So what’s the point of objection since the parents know better than the child?

    Don’t forget that this was the order of Muhammad (the one and only man capable to communicate with god) and her parents (convinced by Muhammad) had convinced her (if she even understand it) not to oppose someone with divine intervention. A kid vs a prophet and the kid’s parents were the follower of this prophet? It’s obvious who would get the upper hand. This is cultic element.

    You wrote, “Bassam Zawadi had already answered you on the issues of looting and the issue of Juwariyah: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithf

    This is out of topic. If you want to discuss these 2 things then discuss it in the right article. Oh, I just want to ask you why Zawadi quoted wikipedia, “caravan raiding was an old Arab tradition”. I looked into it and no such words in wikipedia about Muhammad. Can you explain why? Huh? That website’s name is funny, call to monotheism? Is it including Sikhism, Bahai, Zoroastrian, Judaism and Christianity?

    You wrote, “That's another shift from pedophilia to looting and slavery, Please be a little more specific.”

    Don’t tell me you couldn’t grasp the connection. Sina wasn’t talking about looting and slavery as topic.

  316. Marwan, you said you want to have a little chat with Sina, is this why you didn’t address all his sentences in this article? You didn’t chat about:

    “There are many cases of children that are abducted and abused for years and they get used to it and do not escape even when they have a chance. The case of Elizabeth Smart is a good example.”

    “We see him in Jaun, after raiding that town and killing people, a little girl with her wet nurse are brought to him and he tells her to give herself to him”

    If you want to debunk someone at least do it point by point. Let’s have a little chat, shall we?

    1. You quoted:

    "Abu Tughlub ibn Hamdan married the daughter of `Izz al-Dawla Bakhtyar when she was three and paid a dowry of 100,000 dinars. This took place in Safar 360 H. (Ibn al-Athir, al-Kamil)”

    Safar 360 H? That happened long after Muhammad set the example and the rule of “age of marriage” in the hadith and Quran.

    “Al-Shafi`i in al-Umm reported that he saw countless examples of nine-year old pubescent girls in Yemen. Al-Bayhaqi also narrates it from him in the Sunan al-Kubra as does al-Dhahabi in the Siyar. Al-Bayhaqi narrated with his chains in his Sunan al-Kubra no less than three examples of Muslim wives that gave birth at age nine or ten.”

    The words “Yemen” and “Muslim wives” again indicates that this practice was long after Muhammad set the example and the rule. What did he mean by “saw countless pubescent girls”? Did he check it one by one? They were muslims and they must be wearing hijab, so how did he know this? Conducting survey house to house? Pubescence is the early stage of puberty not puberty itself and 3 children giving birth cannot be considered common. This shows that children at that time weren’t ready for having kids. The risk is also higher than matured one.

    “Hisham ibn `Urwa himself (whom the objector claims to know enough to forward the most barefaced judgments on his reliability) married Fatima bint al-Mundhir when she was nine years old (al-Muntazam and Tarikh Baghdad).”

    Again and again this was after Islam came.

    “Our liege-lord `Umar married Umm Kulthum the daughter of `Ali and Fatima at a similar age per `Abd al-Razzaq, Ibn `Abd al-Barr and others.”

    Umar? He got his example from Muhammad and Quran. This is again after he became muslim.

    “And our Mother `Aisha herself was first almost betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut`im before her father dropped that option when he received word from the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless and greet him and be well-pleased with them."

    Jubayr ibn Mut’im was an old man? Pay attention to the word “betrothed”. Did you not pay attention to Sina’s article? How old was he when he was engaged to Aisha? Who did the decision and cancellation? It’s his father, not him, just like Aisha. This was just an engagement and Jubayr didn’t have any authority to decide for himself, like a kid. Could you give the exact time for consummation plan between Jubayr and Aisha? Did they ever meet each other at that time? We have to know this first before judging Jubayr as a (common) pedophile at that time.

    So far you only bring reference from post Islamic era. Give me reference that shows adult men (old would be better) marrying children in pre Islamic Arabia aka jahiliyah (not after it) and that practice must be considered normal/common. And next time you should write the reference with details, like page, number, and the reliability of the historian so people here can check it. Don’t just mention the name. Your first link cannot be opened, correct it.

  317. great site, and excellent approach to expose the truth about Mohammad and its cult, thank you xD

  318. Great answers. thank you.

  319. It’s an intriguing approach. I commonly see minimalist judgments on the matter but yours it’s written in a pretty special way. For sure, I will revisit your site for more info. Greetings from Pennsylvania

  320. Slomo, using this type of Western reasoning is useless on Marwan. He would be proud to give his 6 year old daughter to a rich man, especially if he gets a lot of money. In Islam female children are seen as valuable commodities to be sold, and sex with children is seen as a beautiful thing in following the perfect example of their fake prophet Muhammad. Such is the depravity that Islam has to offer the world.

  321. Marwan, please imagine a 50 years old famous, rich and influencing man comes and ask to marry YOUR 6 years old daughter !! What will b your answer to him ? do you think this "YOUR daughter" is wise enuf 2 make decision? Will U answer "ask my daughter, i will follow her decision". To come 2 a conclusion that banana leaves is green, you don't have 2 C it. References and science can tell you that "chlorophyll"'s color is green and why is it green. That's how you make a conclusion intellectually. So, my suggestion to you, read Ali Sina's Understanding Muhammad and "answer" him after reading that book intellectually. Read and make your conclusion carefully to prevent u become "shallow" thinker or debater.

  322. Welcome to the site. Any religion that cannot stand on its own merits and has to be defended by violence is a weak religion. They know it would be dead if people were free to criticize it because it is an indefensible religion.

  323. Elias affraid to debate, same like other moslems they just like to kill anyone who insults mohammed, in Indonesia its called front pembela islam (front defender of islam), unhesitatingly use violence against persons or groups that do not fit the teachings of Islam

  324. same case in indonesia when Syech Pudji 60 y.o men married with girl 9 y.o, it must be mohammed's doctrine

  325. Elias, instead of accusing this and that, why don't you just accept sina's invitation for debate. Make it simple and "once and for all" sina said !!

  326. I have given ample evidence to back my claims.

  327. Hi Marwan,

    You ask for proof of everything I said. The proof is given in my book. You don't have to buy the latest edition, The previous edition is free. Just ask and I will email it to you. I can't put over 300 pages in this comment pages. The evidence I have given is compelling enough for every Muslim who read it to leave Islam.

  328. No comment is ever deleted, unless it is really obscene and not a comment at all. We don't get a lot of them.

    The comments in this site are managed by Intense Debate. I see some of my comments don't show immediately but they eventually show.

  329. No comments of yours was deleted. But you deleted my two invitations left in your site. I am going to post a link to this page in your site to see how long it will last.

  330. sir waiting to read ur reply to marvan

  331. Since you obviously know that Dr. Sina is right and cannot refute his quotations from your false holy book and lying mafioso prophet, all you can do is insult.

  332. It's obvious you don't know anything about Wafa Sultan and her love for her Muslim family members who remain in the Middle East.

  333. I can see right through you. Dr. Sina quotes Quran, Hadith and Sira. It doesn't matter what any so-called scholar says about what Islam is. It matters what Muhammad says Islam is.

  334. Nothing is done. Trying to justify the unjustifiable just labels you as a barbarian.

  335. He doesn't delete comments unless they are vulgar and abusive. If you add a lot of links to your comments, it gets caught in the Intense Debate automated spam filter.

  336. You challenge me to a debate. So I respond to this article's falsehood. Then you delete my comments and rebuttal.

    "And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or denies the truth when it has come to him?" (29:68)

  337. Dear Mr Elias Abdullah, I have many doubts in my heart with regard to Allah's last prophet's teachings and will appreciate if you can kindly help me to understand what the following words of the Hadith mean:

    "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the
    Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and
    the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew
    behind me, come and kill him!"

    Thanks in advance,

    Grace :)

  338. "Your opinion of me is subjective." Your opinion of Islam is subjective and many people can have the same opinion too. There are so many subjective definitions in this world.

    Muslims were blamed for 9/11 but we all now know that that is all li ehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952102263921897950 . I am siting this because this is what caused all these Islamophobia.

    I understand that many people here atheists. But any muslim that come across this site should go here http://letmeturnthetables.blogspot.com/ also for a balanced view.

    Mr Sina, you can start refuting those too.

  339. Muhammad guarantees a house in paradise? Is he the owner of the paradise? Or did Allah give him the paradise on lease for eternity? When you believe this utter lie, then you are a worshiper of Muhammad, a shameless liar. I wonder how do you think you are a scholar. A scholar in having blind faith?

  340. 9. "It is not normal for 50 year old men to have sexual feelings for little girls. This is part of human psychology and has nothing to do with culture. It is simply not possible for normal men to have any other feeling for little girls other than parental feeling."
    Human Psychology is not static, It is evolutionary, On wikipedia: "Evolved psychological adaptations (such as the ability to learn a language) interact with cultural inputs to produce specific behaviors (e.g., the specific language learned). Basic gender differences, such as greater eagerness for sex among men and greater coyness among women, are explained as adaptations that reflect the different reproductive strategies of males and females."
    A Human is highly influenced by his culture, his Psychology depends on it, his Morality, everything else is Dependant on that.
    "Not even Arabs with such a low morality married little girls when they were that old. For a normal man it is not possible to feel sexual by a little child."
    That is not true, I have already mentioned such proof in point 1.
    "Even though pedophilia is legitimized, most Muslims don’t practice it."
    What a contradiction! What about the millions of little girls? The practice of any act about marriage in Islam is Dependant on the consent of the the two partners, Therefore, Simply put, a Marriage with a young girl happens only when she agrees.
    "Didn’t the enemies of Muhammad criticize him for it? How does Zawadi know? They were all subdued and no trace of their criticism was left."
    Zawadi simply states that no such criticism was mentioned in the hadith, or any other source, and there does not exist any evidence of your theory that all the criticism was subdued, please prove that such "removal of criticism" existed.

    10."Probably not! Aisha was so victimized that she had no understanding of what is normal"
    Aisha was victimized? how? Once again, this falls back to another point which was the discussion on the consent of Aisha.

    11."I have quoted this hadith in my book and explained it. Muhammad was impotent. It is not that he controlled himself. He simply could not do it. He satisfied his lust by fondling his wives but was unable to perform intercourse."
    Can you please prove so? By explaining it HERE? That hadith is a direct opposite to what you say.

    "How Aisha would know that? Did she have any experience with other men to compare Muhammad with them? That is another subject."
    Why would she need so? She would of course make that opinion from what she heared from others about their intercourses, She could – for example – see that one Man needed to have sex, while the other could calm himself.

    " She did have a fling with Safwan."
    Entirely another subject, this is a whole other thing.

    "However, what she interpreted as “mastery over desire” was due to Muhammad’s inability to perform. "
    What supports your theory?

    I know what will happen, This comment will either be left alone, or deleted, But, That means that you are just making fool of yourself Mr. Sina.

    Done.

  341. 4. "Aisha was no scholar. She was someone who remembered what Muhammad did and said and narrated them. That does not make her a scholar. "
    Really? Then why did Muslims ask for Aisha's own opinion? Why did they? Why at many times You would notice in hadiths of Aisha giving a religious opinion.
    "But then again, all Muslim scholars are of that kind. They are a bunch of ignoramuses who have memorized the hadith and the Quran mindlessly, but understand nothing and cannot reason like normal people."
    Is that really true? Then Muslim Scholars should be mindless machines who would never write an opinion, never write about existence, never give their own rulings, that means that simply any modern ruling of a Muslim scholar is nonexistent, and that everything must come from a quote, we all know this is not true, If Muslim Scholars only memorized the Quran, What about the hundreds of Tafsirs written? They are all the opinions of the Muslim Scholar, How he understands and reflects upon this or that verse, You simply ignored all this and turned Muslim Scholars into mindless crazy guys who go on memorizing something with no understanding at all.

    5. "Muhammad had a very low self esteem. That is why he developed narcissism. Narcissism is a reaction to hide the low self esteem"
    You have not given any proof of Muhammed's narcissism, Do note hide under the cover of "read my book" Please prove it in THIS debate.
    If Muhammed was a narcissist, He would of course live like one! But is this true? Read: http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/Prophet

    "That woman had her own psychological problems. She suffered from co-dependency aka inverted narcissism. "
    Proof?

    6. "Muhammad wanted to consummate his “marriage” with Aisha right away. Abu Baker pleaded with him to wait. Muhammad did not want to lose the trust of his foolish follower and complied."
    Please give proof for what you say.

    7."Having sex with a child is molesting her. There is no other way to put it. The fact that the victim is not aware of the abuse does not mean that the abuse does not take place."
    Once again, You put Aisha as unaware, Zawadi's argument was that she was aware, a 9-years old child is aware of the world and what is around him/her, She was not simply a baby.

    8. "This is cultic behavior."
    Islam is a cult because the people are cultists, and people are cultists because Islam is a cult.
    "This is cultic mentality that describes Muslims’ behavior who praise “martyrdom” and murder."
    You assume that Muslims are cultists, yet once again give no proof, You assume that the behavior was a cultist one, yet that assumption has no bases but that Islam is a cult, Why? Because of the cultist behavior, To any rational person the fallacy is very VERY clear.
    Please do not open the topics of Martyrdom and "Murder" here, we are concerned with one thing, You keep scattering your arguments to a hundred different thing all at once.

    More in Next Comment.

  342. Dear Mr. Sina

    Now on the topic of Pedophiliaa, let us have a little chat:
    1. You wrote: "At no time it was “perfectly normal” for an old man to marry little girls. "
    May we need evidence for that? You imply that your words are facts, but where is the evidence? If you want counter evidence,
    I quote"Abu Tughlub ibn Hamdan married the daughter of `Izz al-Dawla Bakhtyar when she was three and paid a dowry of 100,000 dinars. This took place in Safar 360 H. (Ibn al-Athir, al-Kamil).
    Al-Shafi`i in al-Umm reported that he saw countless examples of nine-year old pubescent girls in Yemen. Al-Bayhaqi also narrates it from him in the Sunan al-Kubra as does al-Dhahabi in the Siyar.
    Al-Bayhaqi narrated with his chains in his Sunan al-Kubra no less than three examples of Muslim wives that gave birth at age nine or ten.
    Hisham ibn `Urwa himself (whom the objector claims to know enough to forward the most barefaced judgments on his reliability) married Fatima bint al-Mundhir when she was nine years old (al-Muntazam and Tarikh Baghdad).
    Our liege-lord `Umar married Umm Kulthum the daughter of `Ali and Fatima at a similar age per `Abd al-Razzaq, Ibn `Abd al-Barr and others.
    And our Mother `Aisha herself was first almost betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut`im before her father dropped that option when he received word from the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless and greet him and be well-pleased with them." – [Source: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&I

    2. "A six year old child is not in any position to choose her life partner. In the case of Aisha she probably thought this is normal because even her benighted parents had consented to this shameful betrayal of their trust.

    We are not concerned about Aisha. She is dead. We are concerned about millions of little girls who are victimized today because of this tradition set by Muhammad."
    In the first section, You mentioned Aisha of a girl of six, please note her to be a girl of 9, as she could at any time object, A Parent is responsible for his child until they have grown up, A Parent knows best for his child, thats something you need to keep in mind, Why couldn't Aisha – as a 9 years old – object?

    In the second paragraph, We have two points, the first is that You no longer think of Aisha as a victim, You are "not concerned" with her, That means you are not concerned at all with the argument of The Prophet's pedophilia.
    The second point is another thing: "The millions of little girls" You are very much exaggerating, Can you prove that there are millions of little girls today who are married by men in 50s and on?

    3. "To say Aisha was given the choice to divorce Muhammad is a silly argument. Divorce him and were to go? "
    First, I think you should better work on your English, You said "were", It is supposed to be "where".
    Second, Continue living in Medina! Many Women have done so at that time! Please read on Khula’ah, Talking about something without the knowledge of it is very bad.
    "Medina had become the compound of Muhammad and every Muslim had become a cultist. The atmosphere was full of terror."
    I ask for proof for your words, This is an argument from ignorance, You assume everything you say is true without proof.
    "How could she live a normal life after divorcing Muhammad?" And how couldn't she? Where are the reasons?!
    " Anyway, this did not apply to Aisha who was brainwashed since childhood."
    Another Argument from Ignorance, Aisha was brainwashed, How? What proves this?
    "This applied to Safiyah, Rayhanah and Juwariyah who were captives, whose relatives had been slaughtered and their villages destroyed. Where could they go?"
    Bassam Zawadi had already answered you on the issues of looting and the issue of Juwariyah: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithf
    As for Saffiyah, Very Funny! Bassam Zawadi had also written an article on that topic: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/_safiyyah__the_
    Yet you did not talk little of it!
    That's another shift from pedophilia to looting and slavery, Please be a little more specific.

    "Cultists do stupid things. Many cultists allow their wife or daughter to have sex with their beloved leader. This does not mean that they do it with conscience. Cultists lose their conscience and can no longer be regarded as responsible people."
    So Aisha was a cultist? And Islam a cult? and Muslims are all cultists? What supports this?

    3. "In a cultic atmosphere no one objects to the despicable deeds of the leader. The cultist becomes befogged and those few who see something is wrong do not dare to question. I have explained this phenomenon with many examples of modern day cults in my book Understanding Muhammad."
    What about the non-Muslims? The Jews, for example? Once again, You assume that Islam is a cult, yet do not give any proof for so.

    More in Next comment.

  343. Who's deleting comments now? That says everything, "Dr." Sina.

  344. I am happy you admit you are not an academic. That is sufficient for anyone to see through your smoke and mirrors.

    Wafa Sultan? Really? You mean the crazy lady who lied about her backstory and wants to nuclear bomb Muslim cities? Wow.
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/12/wafa-sultan-is-bhttp://www.loonwatch.com/2011/01/wafa-sultan-meethttp://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/wafa-sultan-a-po

  345. Peer reviewed academic journals are not for religious discussions. Religion is not science it is faith. My articles have led thousands of Muslims out of Islam. Many of them now write for faithfreedom.org helping others to leave Islam. Some of them have become huge stars influencing millions, like the incomparable Wafa Sultan. So instead of snubbing me, confront me in a debate? Why is it that Muslims are so valiant in killing people and so timid in debating?

  346. Hello Mr. Elias Abdullah,

    Your opinion of me is subjective. It is marred by your devotion to Islam. It is Islam that makes you hate me and call me with such derogatory terms. This is what cults do to people. All cultists think those who oppose their views are liars and are envious and hate filled.

    I am open to discussion so I am not hate filled. You are not open to discussion. Also if I am a liar isn’t it a perfect opportunity for you to catch my lies and expose me? You have written a few articles allegedly refuting me. But you did not send me a link. You refuse to even talk. You removed my invitation from your site. What does this say about you and your confidence in what you say?

    You wrote: "I have cited Islamic traditions and peer-reviewed scholarly resources that completely debunk your claims. You provide nothing but smug assertion which satisfies an audience of gullible keyboard warriors that have already decided a priori they are going to hate Muslims. "

    Isn’t that a golden opportunity for you to expose me once and for all?

    You wrote, "The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I guarantee a house in Paradise for one who gives up arguing, even if he is in the right." [Riyad us Saliheen #630]"

    You know why he said that? Because he knew that in debate Muslims will be filled with doubt. He discouraged any discussion about the reality of his claim. Muslims can discuss how a certain law can be applied but are not allowed to discuss whether Muhammad’s claim was true or not. He even said don’t ask questions that may cause you doubt. He encouraged blind faith. How then one can know whether he was telling the truth or was lying? Those who dared to ask that question have left Islam.

    Although he discouraged debates, he urged his followers to fight, spill blood and to become martyrs. What a faith! This is not how a real God would guide mankind. This is the way a gangster, a tyrant would impose his will on people. Islam is satanic not divine.

    You wrote, "So continue your operation of spreading racism, hate, and misinformation. I will continue to worship my Lord upon the Truth, and we will see who is honored on the Day of Judgment."

    Spreading racism? Is Islam a race? These are logical fallacies. Islam is a belief system and like all belief systems it must be scrutinized. If found wonting, it must be rejected. If it is true, someone must be able to prove it logically. Where is that proof? Why all Muslims scholars are so afraid of an insignificant guy like yours truly? I have not even claimed to be a scholar. But I claim to understand Islam better than all the Muslims and I defy them to debate with me. I have led thousands of Muslims out of Islam and all you can do is snub me? Why not confront me and destroy men in a debate?

    You threaten me of the day of judgement. How do you know that in that day it won't be you going to hell? No really! How can you be sure Muhammad was a true prophet and not a charlatan lair? When we die it is too late to find the truth, Truth must be found right here and no sane god would send us a message without proof and then punish us for not believing it. It is stupid. Satan could come up with such a lie but God would never want us to believe in something without evidence and then threaten us with hell fire if we don't believe. There are countless others who have made similar claims. Why should we believe in Muhammad and not in them? Should we abdicate our reason and believe in a liar because he threaten us most? Isn't that the epitome of foolishness?

    You wrote, "Say, 'O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.' [Surat Al-Kafirun] "

    This is typical of all cults who failing to respond to the logical arguments of their opponents snub them and say the above.

    It would have been fine if Muslims stopped there. But they want to impose their sordid faith on others through jihad, i.e. deception and terror. That is why I expose it. I don’t believe in any faith, but I don’t oppose any one of them. They respect my freedom to not believe and hence I respect their existence. I can’t respect a faith that says I should convert or become a dhimmi or be killed.

    I have serious questions about Islam. Can you answer them?

    Here is one.
    What happens to human souls after they die? Do they go straight to paradise or hell or do they stay in the grave until the day of resurrection?

    That is a simple question and you as a Muslim should have no difficulty answering.

  347. By the way, if you are such a big scholar of Islam, then you should have no problem getting your work published in a peer-reviewed academic journal. Of course, you never will because you know your operation is based upon falsehood. So let people read your work and let them read my work. Those who are fair and open minded will see the truth, but we have no interest in participating in a phony debate with you.

  348. What is the purpose in debating a hate-filled liar? I have cited Islamic traditions and peer-reviewed scholarly resources that completely debunk your claims. You provide nothing but smug assertion which satisfies an audience of gullible keyboard warriors that have already decided a priori they are going to hate Muslims.

    The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I guarantee a house in Paradise for one who gives up arguing, even if he is in the right." [Riyad us Saliheen #630]

    So continue your operation of spreading racism, hate, and misinformation. I will continue to worship my Lord upon the Truth, and we will see who is honored on the Day of Judgment.

    Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [Surat Al-Kafirun]

  349. What is the purpose in debating a hate-filled liar? I have cited Islamic traditions and peer-reviewed scholarly resources that completely debunk your claims. You provide nothing but smug assertion which satisfies an audience of gullible keyboard warriors that have already decided a priori they are going to hate Muslims.

    The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "I guarantee a house in Paradise for one who gives up arguing, even if he is in the right." [Riyad us Saliheen #630]

    So continue your operation of spreading racism, hate, and misinformation. I will continue to worship my Lord upon the Truth, and we will see who is honored on the Day of Judgment.

    Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [Surat Al-Kafirun]

  350. Yeah, a promise is a promise….

  351. I read this 'rebutal to Ali Sina' on scribd and just laughed at it. I find it very funny that Dr.Sina has bothered to respond.

  352. "I wished someone with a bit more knowledge would write a rebuttal to my articles."

    Islam is not a knowledge culture, so anyone who defends it is not likely to bring up intelligent concepts.

  353. Dr. Sina you are the man..

  354. This is how Muslim apologists escape from logical and rational questions.

  355. Elias Abdullah is a Muslim apologist. He has also joined the crowd who has written rebuttals to my articles. I left a comment on his site and cordially invited him to a debate. The next day he removed my comment. I left another comment saying he had been invited to debate but he deleted my invitation. That too was deleted. Now it does not take much to see the lack of integrity of confidence in these Muslim apologists. Actually he never sent me an email saying he had written rebuttals to my articles. I found them by accident. This is his site in case you want to leave him a message
    http://www.defendtheprophet.com/ali-sina-challenge-was-prophet-muhammad-a-mass-murderer

  356. Elias Abdullah is a Muslim apologist. He has also joined the crowd who has written rebuttals to my articles. I left a comment on his site and cordially invited him to a debate. The next day he removed my comment. I left another comment saying he had been invited to debate but he deleted my invitation. That too was deleted. Now it does not take much to see the lack of integrity and confidence in these Muslim apologists. Actually he never sent me an email saying he had written rebuttals to my articles. I found them by accident.
    http://www.defendtheprophet.com/ali-sina-challeng

  357. From the article – "Many Muslims are unaware of the abuse that they suffer."

    I whole-heartely agree with Dr. Sina. Just today I came across this news report on marital rapes in Pakistan. These women accept the abuses meted out to them because they have been taught that it is their religious duty to take this abuse and that angels curse those women who say 'no' to their husbands whether they like sex or not. This is backed by the Sahih Hadith:
    "If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning" (Sahih Bukhari 4.54.460)."
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/129787/silence-on-spo

    Analysis taken from jihadwatch.org

  358. Dr. Sina there was no need for you to do those rebuttals (besides your promise of course). Anybody with commonsense knows the answer to those questions. It's clear that Muhammad was perverted and moreover was a pedophile who desired young children as sex partners.

  359. I frankly learned about much of this, but having said that, I still assumed it was valuable. Beautiful work!

  360. Now that's a good answer to rebuttals ;)

  361. you are doing a great job the main region of hatred in human being is the cult that spread hate in the name of religion and on the name of imaginary heaven and hell we should respect all the creature on the earth because they have the same right to leave and let leave Dr sena you are a great reformer you are showing the mirror of truth and logic based on science and human behavior .I think it will impact deep to Muslim who believe in intolerance and hatred to other religion.

  362. Bassm Zawadi is not a scholar. He is a young zealot but scholar he is not. However I found a site that has some good rebuttals. http://www.defendtheprophet.com/ali-sina-challeng

    Instead of answering them I invited the author, Mr. Elias Abdullah to a debate. It appears that this gentleman is a learned Muslim. I have not had a debate with a learned Muslim for a long time. So I left and invitation in his site. Let us see if he responds. You may also urge him to accept the invitation.

  363. [...] original here: Was Muhammad a Pedophile? | Alisina.org This entry was posted in Islam and tagged daughter, deemed-it-good, marriage, modern-day, muslim, [...]

  364. Bassm Zawadi is not a scholar. He is a young zealot but scholar he is not. However I found a site that has some good rebuttals. http://www.defendtheprophet.com/ali-sina-challeng

    Instead of answering them I invited the author, Mr. Elias Abdullah to a debate. It appears that this gentleman is a learned Muslim. I have not had a debate with a learned Muslim for a long time. So I left and invitation in his site. Let us see if he responds. You may also urge him to accept the invitation.

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