Muhammad’s Flat Earth
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[...] So islam is only an excuse for the moslems’ own desire to enrich themselves by committing crimes. When one’s “god” is described as ‘unknown, and unknowable’ and so is always to only be feared and obeyed, never reasoned with, admired nor loved, then it is only one’s own fears of Pain; when one’s god is described as generally ‘everything!’ then it is also more specifically ‘nothing!’ Since this new ‘allah’ of Muhammad’s is held to be both unknown and unknowable, it’s still exactly as unresponsive to their human needs, interpretation and reason as the rock idols the pagan Arabs used to pretend to worship. Even when Muhammad prayed to allah, even he only claimed a supernatural intermediary – the suspect ‘angel Gebril’ ever answered him – and Gebril also told him in no uncertain terms, that the Earth was FLAT. [...]
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[...] So islam is only an excuse for the moslems’ own desire to enrich themselves by committing crimes. When one’s “god” is described as ‘unknown, and unknowable’ and so is always to only be feared and obeyed, never reasoned with, admired nor loved, then it is only one’s own fears of Pain; when one’s god is described as generally ‘everything!’ then it is also more specifically ‘nothing!’ Since this new ‘allah’ of Muhammad’s is held to be both unknown and unknowable, it’s still exactly as unresponsive to their human needs, interpretation and reason as the rock idols the pagan Arabs used to pretend to worship. Even when Muhammad prayed to allah, even he only claimed a supernatural intermediary – the suspect ‘angel Gebril’ ever answered him – and Gebril also told him in no uncertain terms, that the Earth was FLAT. [...]
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[...] So islam is only an excuse for the moslem’s own desire to enrich themselves by committing crimes. When one’s “god” is described as ‘unknown, and unknowable’ and so is always to only be feared and obeyed, never reasoned with, admired nor loved, then it is only one’s own fears of Pain; when one’s god is described as generally ‘everything!’ then it is also more specifically ‘nothing!’ Since this new ‘allah’ of Muhammad’s is held to be both unknown and unknowable, it’s still exactly as unresponsive to their human needs, interpretation and reason as the rock idols the pagan Arabs used to pretend to worship. Even when Muhammad prayed to allah, even he only claimed a supernatural intermediary – the suspect ‘angel Gebril’ ever answered him – and Gebril also told him in no uncertain terms, that the Earth was FLAT. [...]
@enlightened26
Firstly Allah is not female. Allah is infinite. Yes Quran is book of guidance. There were no alien advanced from prophet. Prophet was most scientific and advanced personality. Even today science could not discovered the mysteries of world which were hinted by prophet.
He indicated that the earth was flat and no mention of the universe. Earth and Universe are two different things.
Re: “Quran is not a book of algebra or geometry but is a collection of rules which guides human beings to THE RIGHT WAY, the way which the greatest philosophers are unable to decline it.”
Let's have a quick look at what Moe said was "THE RIGHT WAY FOR HUMANITY," shall we?
Sura 48:20: “Allah has promised you abundant spoils that you will capture, and He has hastened for you this, and He has restrained the hands of men from (defending themselves) from you, that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path.”
IMAGINE IS MOE HAD BEEN ALITTLE BIT MORE HONEST, AND HAD ENDED THAT ONE (AND OTHERS) WITH TRUTH:
"…and that He may guide you to a VERY Crooked Path INDEED!"
THE QUR'AN CLEARLY DESCRIBES ALL CRIMES, BUT THEN ENDS EACH SENTENCE EXHORTING HOW GOOD IT IS!
Muslims are ordered not to be friends with anyone who is not Muslim (4:144, 5:57 and 5:51: “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends”) – hey! This is “God” talking!
EVERY IMAGINABLE CRIME IS OFFICIALLY COMMANDED TO BE COMMITTED BY ALL MOSLEMS AGAINST ALL THE NON-MOSLEMS IN THE WORLD FOR ALLAH!
Sura At-Taubah 9:29 commands Muslims to wage war against Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians until we are subjugated and submit to extortion. 9:120 promises Muslims that any step taken to injure or enrage disbelievers will be imputed to them by allah as a righteous good deed.
Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:
“I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”
-Muhammad-
Moe’s last speech to his followers on Mt. Arafat:
“I descended by allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted.”
ALL moslems are criminals because, by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an.
And the Qur’an tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-moslem humans, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems.
“Slay the idolators wherever you find them…” Chapter 9, verse 5
“When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads until you have made a great slaughter among them….” Ch. 47:4
So the Qur’an is a clearly-written, us-versus-them hate-crime book, endorsing a permanent might-makes-right death-threat.
And although all of it’s earlier, more peaceful passages were officially “abrogated” by the newer, totally violent and intolerant ones proclaiming and commanding eternal war, they were kept in the Qur’an to deceive all the infidels because, as they note in Mohammad’s own words, “War is deceit!”
Please read the following:
“Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax.” (9:29) “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” (3:85) “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” (8:12)
Or, 24:55 (allah’s promise of world domination): “Allah has promised to those of you who believe, that He will most certainly make you rulers of the earth.”
SO: “Quran is not a book of algebra or geometry but is a collection of rules which guides human beings to the right way, the way which the greatest philosophers are unable to decline it.”
NOT EVEN REMOTELY!
It doesn't say anything about the Bible and Torah, except for the false 'Moses' quotes IN THE QUR'AN ITSELF. If you Google for "Flat Earth Bible" you wil find only ONE suspect reference therein, which simply refers to 'the four winds.'
Read my comment I have proved that earth is flat.
Haha! His comment is in Persian not in Arabic. =/
@Ali sina,
NASA's discovery only 11 years ago!
"The simplest version of the inflationary theory, an extension of the Big Bang theory, predicts that the density of the universe is very close to the critical density, and that the geometry of the universe is flat, like a sheet of paper. That is the result confirmed by the WMAP science."
(http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html)
They have discovered only 11 years ago; that the Universe is flat! The best way the NASA scientists could describe the Universe is "LIKE A SHEET OF PAPER" which Allah Almighty has already described 1,400 years ago to a goat herder and illiterate Bedouin and Shepard, our beloved and blessed Prophet Muhammad, Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon him. Ameen
This miracle I have not found documented anywhere and Science found this about 11 years ago only!!!!!!! Confirmed By NASA and the links I will give you will be NASA/TIME/BBC
( 21:104) – The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed)
1. Allah is comparing the Universe to a Scroll of Paper, 1400 years ago. And see what the best scientists in the world at NASA found out in the 21st CENTURY !!!! 2001 !!!
"and that the geometry of the universe is flat, like a sheet of paper" – NASA http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html
They have found out only 11 years ago that Universe is flat and the best way NASA scientist use to describe to a layman is like a sheet of paper , Allah describes the universe as a scroll 1400 years ago !!! Who can know something that scientist were only able to find out 11 years ago ?? Arab goat herders ? or the One who has first hand knowledge of it ? The Creator Allah that Abraham , Moses, Jesus, Mohammed prayed to ?
THIS IS NOT A THEORY
From the same NASA Page:
"That is the result confirmed by the WMAP science.
Measurements from WMAP
The WMAP spacecraft can measure the basic parameters of the Big Bang theory including the geometry of the universe. If the universe were open, the brightest microwave background fluctuations (or "spots") would be about half a degree across. If the universe were flat, the spots would be about 1 degree across. While if the universe were closed, the brightest spots would be about 1.5 degrees across.
measurements of (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision.
Allah likens the end of universe roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books ,
a scroll takes a long time to write (relatively) and once written it is rolled up very very quickly (relatively).
A staggering reply. The lucidity of it. . .
he he he Mulla,
what else did you learn…… its only HATE and KILL…….
The things that Ali Sina claims actually make sense! On the other hand, the things that Islam claims are ridiculous. Ali is not the one calling himself 'messenger of God'. It is Muhammad/Quran that make such claim.
People visit this site to learn how much of Muslims' claims of Islam being 'only true religion' are true. This site reveals things about Islam that Muslims don't, so people can make a more informed decision. That is the whole point.
I did not realize it was not open. Thank you for saying. It is now open.
If you say so . . . but do you have the 'ability' to recount why 'maulana qadri' was utterly humiliated?
See – its real easy for the supporters of one side to make such claim. . . but can you articulate why the maulana lost so badly?
why have you not kept comment section open for maulana qadri debate you humiliated him utterly.
"Sigh… I'm going to go mow my lawn now. Much more productive then this site seems to be".
No need for you to be here then. Goodbye
Sigh… This again?
I'm not watching a 20 minute video. I'm assuming the verses are similar to 13:3 and 88:20.
"And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought." (13:3)
and
"And the earth, how it is made a vast expanse?"
(88:20)
I'll start with that latter. The earth is a vast expanse. It's pretty big. I don't see how this is a "scientific error." The earth is big. As for the former; I'm going to make the hopeful assumption you're familiar with continental drift.
The word here for "earth" isn't necessarily interchangeable with earth in arabic (الارض). It can mean the earth, ground, land, rock, sand etc. Allah says he spread the "land" (continents) and formed mountains (how do mountains for again? Oh yeah, tectonic plate's essentially form folds i.e. mountains).
Sigh… I'm going to go mow my lawn now. Much more productive then this site seems to be.
DONT YOU WATCH THE WORD "INFIDEL". MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IS NOT UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD.
"If you don't believe your books, why are you Muslim? Surely it is only to please your family and community."
Yet Astro does not express any views that infer what you claim. Why is that I wonder?
"Dr. Sina has already demolished Naik in Islam Probed."
Right… and this isn't your bias speaking… but your objectivity – how?
No that video is not made by me.
I throw my lot with all humanity. I don\’t discriminate against anyone on the basis of his religion or skin color. If Muslims stopped following a sociopath that tells them they have to subdue others and impose their demonic faith, I would have had no issues with Muslims either. But since Muslims believe in an ideology that promotes hate and violence and want to be separate from others, I acknowledge that and will not trust them until they leave their evil faith.
"How can he fail to understand? He only writes what your books say. Do you disbelieve your books? Be careful you don't commit blasphemy or bidah when you respond. "
Yet he claims what HE wants to claim. That is a BIT obvious. Muslim book writers were Muslims! That is the whole point.
Sina – you didn't make this video did you… Is that how earth crust was formed?
Or was it the molted rock cooling down? You might want to check your science!
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And when have you started to throw you lot with the Christians?
Is this like Hirsi Ali – since joining a Right Wing Christian think tank – called for Muslims to be converted into Christianity!?
"just because they are Muslim yet they come from a culture which is not knowledge-based and have no concept of scientific method, scientific integrity, academic rigor and scholarly standards."
Isn't the "Scientific Method" credited to an Arab Muslims scientist. He was among the 1st to clearly call for it?
Ah…
"the praying style of muslims they face kabba while praying this simple observation can lead us to belive that earth is actually flat as per their observational view i will explain how"
"Early Islamic scholars recognized earth's sphericity,[40] leading Muslim mathematicians to develop spherical trigonometry[41] in order to further mensuration and to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the Earth to Mecca. This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer."
Wiki
Akshay – I don't think you know what you are talking about.
I don't think the video is by Sina. Also it is inaccurate in few points… when professing science. Especially his claim on how the surface of earth was formed.
Really? Have you listened to the above video? It is professing science that is simply not true – go back and listen to it. Especially when it claims how the Earth's surface was formed
"If there is any hope it is sites like this that educate the people and make them proactive to fight against Islam decisively."
With pasting that video you are not – educating anyone.
huh? It is nice to give references – so one is able to determine what you are talking about – especially when related to a particular book. Else your comment is hard to figure out
Touche – whilst the above is a VIDEO!
Funny You.
Hinduism is no religion. Its term given by britishers. Your religion don't have a name.
A hindu is a hindu. Thats right. Nothing is nothing.
You arguments made me laugh.
>>Can a muslim not respect the quran and still be alive?
Your uncle Ali Sina is still alive…or is he dead??
Naah!! he cannot be dead. Long live Ali Sina.
I like to see him scratch his head, burn in agony, feel jealous,disheartened,high BP etc..while watching the rise of Islam irrespective of his and like minded people unsuccessful efforts.
Islam has fallen.
Are muslims in power?
The only nation that has Islamic law to an extent is SA.
Are they on rise? They are already fallen. Whats your point in that?
Muslims are suffering immensely throughout the world.
The west is targeting Muslim populated countries for oil etc.
The muslims are the target of the world.
But remember!!
Islam is not about rise and fall.
Its about rise fall and rise again and that rise has begun.
It is this fear of Islam rise that a bunch of group of people under the name Ali Sina have started anti islamic campaign. I reccently heard that Tony Blair's sister in law converted to islam.
Who forced her? You cannot stop Islam. You cannot stop the truth.
Islam is like a spring. The more you suppress it the more it will jump ahead.
One last advice!
Fighting God??? Bad Idea!!
The oldest religion in its true form was the islam of that time…
I challange if any one can prove Quran says: earth is flat.
Recommented 4rm
Qur'an mentioned earth spread out like carpet which has been interpreted as being flat. Carpet always used on ground right. So if I have carpet spread all over ground then geoscientifically it is not flat but visually its flat. Ok define up and down on earth geoscientifically there is no up, no down, no horizontal, no vertical.These are all our scientific assumptions which help us logically. So logically If I think earth is sphere and right now I am walking upside down this will give me psychosis.
Geologically we know there is a layer of crust over mantle and core of earth. Ignoring origin of igneous , sedimentary or metamorphic rocks we know crust is like a carpet (a comfortable surface) over mantle for surviving.
So earth spread out like carpet is language of belief which is truth independent of further illustration like gravitational force, geoscience, assumptions, psychology etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSAiPi4gSUU
Those r fake translations
agniveer.com for true knowledge of vedas
hmmmm….. u have done a good job buh the question is, can u stop Allah when he melts out surferings and torture on you, islam will continue to grow while you are alive and will continue when you are dead. Alas, no matter your condemnation… ISLAM WILL CONTINUE TO REIGN
Ever heard of "Tu Quopue" Hassan? I suggest you read up on it and other simple elemnts of logic.
Basically a "Tu Quoque" argument goes like this: Because the Bible says X (wther X is true or false), and if the Quran says "Y", and it can be shown that "X is equivalent to Y, then Y must be true."
Such an argument is utter nonsense of course. However that is what you are presenting.
Hope I did not strain your brains to hard with all those X and Y thingies.
Are you the another one whose A S S is floating in universe without gravitational force? lol
Who are those Philosophers who have not been able to deny Quran?? These must be only Islamic dumbos…
Science and Islam has no coexistence…
Dr. Ali Sina,
Its really amazing, I have just watched complete video and read out complete conversation here. Its really fantastic work which is being done by you for the mankind especially to those Muslims who are unaware of these facts.
Thanks
actually such a long video demostration is not required to prove that muhammad or writer of quran thought earth to be flat we can prove this by simple observation …the praying style of muslims they face kabba while praying this simple observation can lead us to belive that earth is actually flat as per their observational view i will explain how..is it possible to pray in one direction if we are standing on a sphere we know that a sphere changes direction at every point and hence if someone prostrates in muslim style to offer prayer in the direction of kabba it will not be in the same direction of kabba but instead the direction will be given by tangent through that point moreover muslims believe that kabba is centre of earth but actually a centre of sphere is inside it not above it …but just consider reverse case if earth were flat like carpet spread or like rectangle then it is very much possible to pray in one direction assuming a point inside it be its centre these simple observation is enough to prove flat earth ..i dont why ali sina missed this fact
That is a nice verse to know, and it could possibly support your statement, but the Bible is not a science text, and there is far too much stretching by all parties to make it fit into people's notions.
Finally somebody who telling the truth. I found it in the old testment LOL. I dont know where Quran got is the worlds message from. I found nothing like that in the Bible or the old Testment.
Earth is said to be a Spere in the bible and Torah ,so your claims about the bible and Torah are baseless. Isaiah 40:22) its says the earth is a sphere.
Other then that the bible and the Quran Contradict each other so were are not the same Religon.
If you want more info follow this link. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.h…
@ Lorraine Voss, Look here. someone is declaring the Torah primitive. " torah, torah,torah " the battle cries of the Japanese Imperial army in WW2. Did they conquered USA or China, so Torah was a failure. There cries mean " attack. attack. attack." So u are attacking all the religions of the world.
First of all 1)scientific truths are not absolute truths, i.e they are inherently uncertain. 2)The best scientific evidence we have does not say earth is the shape of a ostrich egg. 3)Even if Koran said it, it is impossible for you to know that the round earth theory was not around at the time of (and before) muhammed. 4)Even if Muhammed said it and no one else did its still not proof of anything or even if Allah existed (as a finite alien being)and told muhammed this it tells us nothing about reality or truth or purpose or morality or anything else.
Oh i have started to think someone tore up some pages of the quran i read cuz after reading it for seven times i did not find any sentence that supports what you are saying
dude it is mentioned in the quran that the earth is shaped like an egg of an ostrich which means geospherical if you still think the earth is flat read the quran yourself dont believe in rumors
sorry brother being a muslim in never got an opportunity to kill any one because when ever i start a faceto face conversation with any one i have to give islamic greeting which says may peace be upon you and i cant kill anyoneafter saying that can i ?
did you ever give greetings to any animals or any thing that you made? god is practically our owner and we r his servant we respect what he has created but he does not need to respect us. plus did you ever have conversation with god?
a simple statement is enough to clear your misunderstanding . may all the muslims kill all the non muslims that say the earth is round but its is written in the quran that the earth is shaped like an egg of an ostrich and we muslims cant do anything abt it
sure brother keep dreaming the religion you say will fall is currently the fastest growing religion in the world not everyone in the universe is dumb you know.
Everything written in the quran has scientific proof. I was a Christian and having some knowledge about science i foundout the bible has 100s of scientific errors so i left that religion. i then read the quran and found 7 scientific errors and do you know why because i read the enlish translation and the translation had errors not the quran so i converted to be a muslim. you are saying the quran gives wrong deswcription about the shape of the earth and yes it says the earth is egg shaped and you strongly noticed that statement but you failed to notice that the egg the quran talks about is the egg of an ostrich. i have read many articles written by you and i noticed that all the statements u put against the quran always have some misunderstanding in it.it shows you dont understand the quran properly and that is your problem
Well, he did that, but only after pitching moon-god Allah as the best of the pagan gods, and then taking advantage of the fact that Arabic Jews and Christians call their God Allah too he associated Allah with them. But he forgot to take the crescent moon off his symbology.
not much expensive,just some studies that's all,what about u,how much did allah buy u for?,did he promise u 72 virgins?,well i thought allah taught sharing is a good deed,when you go to heaven plz share,thanks
Yes we are idiot's,but we learnt from Allah,the great
You said salaam to non-believer's,and ur god starts surah tawbah without any greeting,that means your more respectful than allah
so that means allah lies in the quran,so we too can lie,yepeeeeeee,allah is very greatful,thnx
It will take a long time for muslim to even hold a book,they know only one,and thats what's the main problem,muslim can think of only some things,lets list some,
1.Jihad,kill non-beliver wherever you find them (Quran or Koran,Surah 9,verse 6)
2,Worship Muhammad and Allah,muhammad will lead to fight's,and from that fight if your so-called martyred,go to heaven,and what makes them more active is the 72 virgin's,
3.Sacrifice your life in the way of allah,surely he is the most deceiving or forgiving,
and many more,i have a whole list.
did you read the sura about flying cars?lol
actully quran was more worst but they changed it,
pedro peraza remember allah is not a moon god,as i know,he is a god,but his invisible,search this site more,a really great platform to expose Islam,here's what he(allah) says
"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." Quran 41:37]
Dear Ali Sina, I wish you were correct in your prediction for the future Iran. But any new non-Islamic regime in Iran will be bogged down with (fanatic) Moslems’ reactionary response and the only way to deal with them will be for the new regime to turn into a dictatorship, leading to the loss of a very short-lived freedom of the speech. The suffering of the people will continue in that part of the world for a very, very long time.
This is my realistic conclusion after just finishing a conversation with a Sufi friend of forty years, who after I had rejected his argument claiming that “The Quran is the word of god, since the god says so in that book and there is no reason for the god to lie”, said I was a schizophrenic. I was just relieved that I did not have to experience an Iranian version of inquisition in a Moslem country.
There is an easy explanation for this way of thinking. For a Moslem, to promote a religious related cause against an Infidel (i.e. a non-Moslem), it is accepted to do the wrong thing, i.e. to lie, deceive or kill, and . Likewise, the enemy is naturally expected to do the same.
It is indeed difficult to deal with the common trait among most Muslims who visit here who automatically think they know everything just because they are Muslim yet they come from a culture which is not knowledge-based and have no concept of scientific method, scientific integrity, academic rigor and scholarly standards. Not all are this bad. Some have some exposure to a Western education, and some sincerely want to know the truth regardless of educational stature. But the majority who come here to assert Islam are as you described.
It’s like trying to have a discussion about differential equations with a three year old.
Indeed… it’s a waste of time and it annoys the three year old but sane people will sideline
themselves from lies and cult of Islam . Ultimately Islam will be practicised only by Jail inates and Talibans
Your denial is not surprising. I was in denial all my life too. Instead of arguing with you I invite you to read more. These truths eventually work on you and you\’ll stard doubting. Once that happens it will be like domino. One doubt will follow another and soon you\’ll realize the whole Islam has been nothing but a sham. \’
Now I invite you to watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM
It\’s pretty convincing. But don\’t worry if you are not convinced. There is more. It takes time to make a dent into a defensive shield of that has been strengthened for decades.
Your hard work and sleepless nights which have gone behind in making this video need to be applauded. But, sadly it was not convincing enough to prove the verses of Quran as wrong. Your desperation and dogged effort to prove them wrong by means of your biased interpretation are clearly evident. But, still after so much reasoning and colorful graphics , your twisted interpretation is far from being digestible . I really pity your desperation.
Dr. Sina has already demolished Naik in Islam Probed. There are more links inside the article too:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm
Search the "seven heavens" and see its origin too.
Wow, Prophet Mo stole from everyone.
Jews said the earth was round and hanging on nothing. Jews were right.
How much should I explain you,well I think you are desired to hate Muslim's, at-least open your eye's against your unjustifiable government,today Americans them selves are protesting,against their own government,who more murderous,I thought you TRUSTED IN GOD,so…so,this is what you learn in bible?,Ok,tell me why do you call Islam murderous?maybe I can help you too learn Islam better,and really the true one,not the one which is shown,you know the truth is always suppressed by people,but no one can do it,if Islam was so bad why do we love Allah,why we love Prophet?think your self if a person would write a Book of GOD why would he write bad stuff,you have not understood Qur'an properly,just ask,instead of being enemies,surely Allah hate's this,any question,and I am free to help you.
May Allah Guide Us On the Right Path
Yeah right, well maybe if Ali Sina spends more time to try to understand what Quran really means he might be able to catch up to Dr Zakir Naik!!!
This guy seriously his quite funny,just visit my site http://www.Islam110.tk
Ali Sina knows far more about the Quran than you could ever hope. Well, maybe if you start spending a serious amount of time reading his book and articles you might be able to catch up.
Who cares about the criminal mafiosos who founded your murderous imperial religion?
Don't even think you are qualified to teach me anything about Christianity. You are a rank amateur clearly in over your head.
I think you made a typo in your site. "Killing and terrorizing Innocent people and the destruction of property are CONDONED by Islam." (under the terrorism section)..
That would imply, Islam is a religion. But in this blog, it is being stated that Islam is not a religion, its only worshipping muhammad. Its an elaborate lie put up by Muhammad and its being used by the Muslim world to slowly oppress the non muslims. Compared to zoroastrianism Islam is not a religion but a enslavement method.
Mr Sina else where in this blog has been stating the sources of the various stories in the Quran. Kindly check for the source of the invisible curtain between salt water and fresh water.
Quick Noble Verses that refute the terrorism LIE in Islam:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"
"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"
This is a post I received from a reader of this site:
G.K. (I decided not to post his email)
Americas Freedom and Democracy…
8/24/2005
Military used on US soil! to shut down Utah Rave- attack innocent civilians, photographers, kids
Film at: http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/.Public/fascism….
Another example of Americas hypocrisy! We were also shocked to see this.
More details for the incident are located at: http://www.music-versus-guns.org/
Note: This incident is not an isolated one. Many similar civil rights violations occurred to Muslim-Americans by fascist government forces.
ALi sINA,ur still a kid,go learn something then debate.
and John,u got ur answer,and if still u dont want to belive in me,so please u can ask for more,AND I M READY TO GIVE.oK?
Mr John,even in bible,god created the plant before the sun was created,in genesis, of-course,and then god of bible, doesn't know how to write his scripture,he directly starts with IN THE BEGINNING,better go and tell ur god,to learn Literature,lol,there are crazy mistake's in the bible,let me point out few,
The Bible clearly states that Christians must not be bound by
OLD Covenant Scripture.
And the Bible also clearly states that it's a SIN to be bound by
OLD Covenant Scripture.
(Romans 7:4 and Galatians 5:4)
In 1486 a.d. Johann Pruss of Strasbourg, France, a member of the catholic Denomination "added" his own tainted assumption, he added his own MIS -understanding to God's Perfect Word. Against God's will Mr. Pruss placed an UN – authorized "New Testament" Title Page in between the books of Malachi and Matthew.
Jesus in Matthew 17, below, said that all of the believers will have 100 times the wives, harems, sisters and brothers in Heaven!
NOW U WILL QUOTE ABOUT 72 VIRGIN'S,RIGHT?
Well,let's say what the bible say's about it?
The Bible makes it clear that Heaven is a physical place
The earth that we are living on today is the worst and lowest land that GOD Almighty Created. It is called the waste land, and it is the punishment that Adam and Eve received when they disobeyed GOD Almighty:
Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Eden was called the Garden/Heaven of GOD!
Our Earth was called a "waste land"!
Now before I go any further, let me raise the following questions:
1- Why did GOD Almighty Create genitals for Adam and Eve in Heaven?
2- Why did GOD Almighty, from the first place, create male and female in Heaven?
The answer is simple and its given above: To multiply!
Did Adam and Eve have sex during the days before they got kicked out of Heaven? If not, then why not? Wasn't she created to be his mate? Did they not then have physical contact with each others for the, perhaps, long years that they lived with each others in Heaven before getting kicked out of it?
Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
These verses called Eve a "wife" and a "mother". Now assuming that Adam and Eve never got kicked out of Heaven, then how would exactly Eve become a "mother", who already was a "wife" in Heaven?
Wouldn't it be through sexual intercourse with Adam that would eventually lead to impregnation?
TO BE CONTINUED…
and please dont use this name Ali,it's the name of prophet's succesor,its not for people like u,put a name like "SILLIES" or "MISTAKE'S ,that suite's u,REALLY!!!!!
Seriously,tell me how much they bought u for?I hope ur not too expensive,because u make silly mistake's,xD,grow up,go learn something from the Qur'an,and why do you ask,every time Aisha's question,do u like her?,oh yeah,and I saw the WWE match of ur brother (John),his cool,
"The Earth is Flat According To Quran – So Why Do Muslims Say Allah is A Liar? "
[youtube PRYDCZuI320 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYDCZuI320 youtube]
You can do it now if you want. :p
Scholars have established that Muhammad drew from a variety of local influences, including Zoroastrianism, but since Judaism and Christianity figure more prominently in the Quran, that relationship gets more attention. Arab paganism also ranks high and is occasionally discussed as well.
Mr Ali why u dont compare Islams similarities to Zoroastrian religion like 5 times prayers
Why no body talks About obvious similarities of Zoroastrian religion and Islam like 5 times prayer a.d wuddo ……
But muslins know how use eeveything as weponds of mass destruction. Come on give them were the creidt is due.
http://www.quransearch.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
A guy once took his car to a VW shop and it was worked on by a Quantum Mechanic…. B)
God save humans if muslims tomorrow find out that Quantum gravity, M-Theory and String theory are already there in Quran.
Don't let him get away. Save this rare specimen for the museum.
That's called being blind-sided by something that you were not aware of or couldn't anticipate. At Muhammad's low IQ, it's a very low threshold, hence the multitude of Quran errors.
Good point, he asked muslims to believe the unbelievable, to not using their mortal common sense. He could have asked muslims to believe that the earth is round or like the moon.
Why didn't he do it? :@
He asked them to believe in afterlife, Jin, angels and what they do to you after you die, He can resurrect people, the moon was split, He could have added the earth is round.
If god used that human method to describe his own creation it would create no difference to others that had been claimed as false by this very god.
“You are false but I am no different than you”. This is totally ridiculous. As a matter of fact, Quran doesn’t only contain common sense but also error.
On the contrary, it is very important for god to tell the truth using the real perspective. This will make it special and automatically prove that his religion is right. Mentioning flatness of earth serves nothing but empty self praise because everyone at that time knew the earth is flat and the mountain description is wrong too. Shifting the land? Where is the verse? Mountain was created to prevent you from shaking.
At least, there is a muslim who admits that Sina is educated. :'(
How can he fail to understand? He only writes what your books say. Do you disbelieve your books? Be careful you don't commit blasphemy or bidah when you respond.
I don't understand Muslims like you who line up to come here and make comments that go against the Quran and Sunna. If you don't believe your books, why are you Muslim? Surely it is only to please your family and community.
You have been struck with great misunderstanding. The Quran is supposed to be a Book of guiding people to believe in Allah, His Messenger and the Last Day. It is not a book of scientific discoveries. The earth, mountains, skies and heavens have been mentioned in a way that APPEARS to a man living on the earth and the way he perceives it while he is present on a particular place on the earth. It is NOT meant for proving whether earth is flat or round. Besides, no where does it say in the Quran that the EARTH IS FLAT. The mountains, like Himalayas, were already formed before the Quran was revealed. So, it was by Allah's Will, that the shifting of the land caused these mountains to be formed. The scientific reason for the formation of mountains was too much for the arabs of that time to understand, thats why it has been mentioned in simple way for a common man to understand.
The Quran is a guidance for MANKIND, not for engineers or scientists only. Even the most illiterate man on earth should be able to understand Quran.
It is you FOOLS like Ali Sina, who are coming up with your own philosophies and trying to misguide ignorant people. So sad, that instead of applying your abilities positively, you are using it negatively under the influence of Shaitan. Hope you will come back on the right path before you die.
Ali Sina, I just came to know about your existence and the wrath you have been spreading around, so the first few lines I would like to write to you are that, I pity that being so educated, you failed to understand Islam and the Quran. Well, if you do not understand it while you are alive, you will surely understand after you die. Death is inevitable for every living creature, and that is one thing you can neither deny nor run-away from. While you ponder over this, I will be reading more details about your false analysis and prepare to answer you.
Well, Johann, you know, anything at all is possible. I've suggested the same myself, and even if she wasn't bashing Dr. Sina about religion, I've told her that even if he was interested in her, he couldn't take the chance she might be fake.
I've been talking with Grace for over a year now, so I feel like I know her well. But I'm sure I could be duped by a smart jihadist (oxymoron?) I'd say I'm 99% sure she's okay, but if you're playing a wargame and roll a 1 on a hundred-sided die, it isn't very helpful that you felt good about the odds.
Hi John, is this Agracean for real .How do you know she is not a HE, that is pulling our legs.
How do you know, he is not a fundamental islamic guy wants to trap Dr, Sina.??
I think we've got that taken care of now.
Hi Agracean !
Have you heard the song, looking for love in all the wrong places !!!
It's called trying to gain the home-field advantage.
Coming here and not refuting anything but asking people to read your site. Is this your best? I've many queries about Islam, look it up too.
Study and analyze.
No errors in the Quran? How long do you expect to bury your head in the sand so you can't see anything?
see – http://www.thefreemuslim.wordpress.com (the previous link had a comma included due to which the link did not work. apologies!
Too bad no muslims here use the system.
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That is an interesting question since his comment history is only 6 comments. I wonder if he had a history that was deleted.
And the cloth is not round either, it's flat. :p
Where did that number come from? I just saw his profile and only in one site he got minus and that's not 80. o.0
Saudi Arabia, Grand Mufti Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd Allah ibn Baaz, the Chancellor of the Islamic University of Medina (1970-1975), and the Chairman of Saudi Arabia's Department of Scientific Research from 1975, issued a based-on-the-Koran "fatwa" (pronouncement concerning Sharia law) in 1976, which claimed that the Earth is flat, and anyone, who said otherwise, was blaspheming.
The same cleric had issued another Koran-based fatwa in 1966, which said that the Earth did not revolve, or orbit the Sun; instead the Sun orbited the Earth. He issued yet another fatwa in 1982, which reiterated his belief that the Sun orbited the Earth, and that anyone, who did agree with him, would be declared an infidel [to learn about those 2 fatwas, read Judith Miller (1997) God Has Ninety-Nine Names: Reporting from a Militant Middle East, Simon and Schuster, New York p. 114; Mark Weston (2008) Prophets and Princes: Saudi Arabia
So a great majority of Muslims are infidels.
You must be posting on a lot of Muslim sites to have gotten a -80 rating.
I've seen a lot of Muslims who get negative votes never get a rating number, but yours is the first "red flag" number I've seen.
Islam = disgrace to humanity
\”Now, when I say to someone to \”med\” the cloth on the ground, am I implying that the ground is flat?\”
You are implying that the cloth is spread flat. The Quran says the Earth is spread out not the cloth.
Oh God! An Iranian trying to tell people the meaning of an arabic word?? Iranian speak Farsi not Arabic. I speak arabic and am Lebanese.
The word "med" in arabic basically can mean spread out, or extended, presented and so on. Examples:
"med[extend]" your hand and shake my hand.
"med[spread out]" the cloth on the floor or on the ground for the picnic.
God has "med[spread out]" an abundance of fruits and rivers on your land.
Now, when I say to someone to "med" the cloth on the ground, am I implying that the ground is flat? Probably, since we are to sit and eat on it. But am I saying the earth is flat??? NO! the shape of the earth is irrelevant to the context of that statement.
If the context of the verse in the Qur'an is astronomy, and it is said that the earth is flat, then we can talk.
Ya right! Kill, kill and kill; what else is better thing to do in Islam?
Do you think muslim will try to answer this? I've been posting numerous errors in Islam but not even one muslim dare to discuss it.
Thats why muhammed ordered to pray to Kabbah, and if he know that the earth was round, he’ll probably told the muslim to pray anywhere any direction because world is round…
or maybe…
the muslim pray to his own butt, because the world is round, it will be back to his butt.
Funny, yes we have seen that Muhammad ordered the Muslim peoples to start the fasting month to celebrate ramadan on if they ever saw a hilal.
But the fact was hilal isn’t always seen on other place. So it means that Muslim didn’t have to celebrate ramadan because they don’t see hilal sighting.
Or maybe…………….?????????/
The allah god only lived in Arabian desert so allah never know that hilal don’t always seen on another country.
Did you read the proof and verses? Earth is described as a flat place. It shows Muhammad's ignorance about it. Hey, even the sun can be folded. I'm not spreading rumor, merely fact.
And how can the crust be flat when the earth is round?
What verse says he was talking about the crust?
Or maybe you can name a hadith.
What a joke. You just read all the analysis and still think the Quran doesn't say the earth is flat.
Or did you even read it. It looks like you just jumped straight to the comments section. I don't know why you Muslims are so blind. Ann Barnhardt says your people have a lower IQ because genetic damage from cousin marriages.
When I read posts like yours, it makes me think she is right.
hey Muhammad (SM.) never said Earth is flat… better stop spreading rumors about it…
Allah is enough for people like you,…… you want answer…. you will get that (Inshallah)
Muhammad was just ordinary man so his god pet would be like that too. It's easier if he just said that earth is like sun and moon. :@
Why did Allah not say he spread the crust of the earth as a carpet? Because Allah did not know earth was round like a ball. He thought the earth was flat like a carpet and so he also said ridiculously that he made mountains as pegs so these pegs could prevent the earth from getting rolled up. Even the crust of the earth cannot be said to be spread like a carpet. That too is ludicrous. After all, Quran was made up by Muhammad.
Want to prove it? Simple, just bring any supportive source from Islamic books either, Quran, Hadith or Sirah. xD
Filling a gap with non existent words is not going to count. B)
You are an Idiot
The verse which mentions that earth was spread as an carpet referred to the crust of the earth Not the shape of the earth !
Hmm. Are you reading a fake Quran? Because, i've read the real thing, meaning too… It doesn't have a contradiction
there are many such stupid verses…
The sun sets in mud?:
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." 18:86.
The moon gives off coldness:
Reclining in the garden on raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun’s excessive heat nor the moon’s excessive cold. (76:15)
Rainbows are from mountains:
Seest thou not that Allah sends down rain from the sky? With it we then bring out produce of various colors. And in the mountains are tracts white and red, or various shades of color, and black intense in hue.(35:27)
Two easts, 2 wests. Only 2 oceans and they don't touch (there is a barrier):
He is the lord of the two easts and the lord of the two wests. He has put the two oceans in motion; they will meet. Just now there is a barrier between them; they cannot encroach one upon the other. (54:2-20)
Dear Mr Sina,
I sent you an email few days back about the discussion board contribution….. kindly respond to me …..
@Shabeer
Wikiislam applies so much apologetics to upgrade Islam to the 21st century standard of knowledge, too bad the Quran conveys its message in such an unclear way that a single verse requires a lengthy interpretation which oftenly becomes the ‘interpreter’s point of view’ not necessarily Allah’s, I thought the Quran was supposed to be unambiguous, unequivocal and lucid, the Quran clearly falsifies its claims to originality, all that wikiislam does, is damage control.
As a young Muslim, I thought verse 4:34 really said husbands should beat their wives lightly, but I am under no such misinformations now.
detailed description about the suject earth & quran
my dear people click the link,study the islamic view about the subject
>>>>>>>> ;http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Qur'an
Oh John K, love is freedom to express my love to Dr Ali Sina as and when I miss him. Oops! LOL.
Mr Arya Anand, it's good to know that you are jealous of me. Have you been eating too much sour grapes from Saudi Arabia lately? Try some sweet and juicy grapes from Canada and you'll know that I'm a sweet, kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady who simply can't resist Dr Ali Sina's kindness and good works here in Alisina.org. That's the reason why I can't wait to 'catch' him as per your stupid, crazy and immature claim, so that I may hug him and listen to his heartbeat that speaks of his love and passion for all humanity.
Well, there's your dilemma. Since he is not getting involved with this problem, it leaves you to solve it on your own!
Oh, Mr John K, not only do I know Ali's thinking and concepts, I also know that he's a really serious man who behaved very seriously towards all matters and at times, he's a real gentleman. Besides that, I know that he's circumcised and perhaps this is his greatest regret in life for it's done without his approval and I believe that he has tried foreskin restoration. Oops!
Oh, John K, I can't think of any man on planet earth who can captivate my heart as much as Dr Ali Sina. Only Dr Ali Sina can help me to get out of this love problem.
You only know Dr. Sina's thinking and concepts. Perhaps that is the most important thing, but it is not everything. You have no idea about his behavior and mannerisms and no idea about what might irritate you.
Dr. Sina's writings on these sites tell us whom he loves. He loves all humanity, including Muslims deceived and trapped by their cultures. He also tells us who he hates – terrorists – and that they only deserve a bullet in the head.
In any case, I think it is unhealthy and unwise for you to continue to hold affection for someone who does not reciprocate. You need to think about finding someone else.
Agracean appears to be a crazy and immature girl or even a proxy of Muslims to lure Ali into bogus love to catch him. Let's ignore her comments.
Oh, John K, it doesn't matter how everybody view me and my love for Dr Ali Sina. All I know is this that I love him the way he is, even though I can't see or touch him physically. Sometimes, love does go beyond physical relationship and you'll be amazed that there are people who can't live together ie. long distance relationship but their bond of love is so much stronger than those couples who sleep next to each other everyday. So, infatuation is merely a shadow that will not last. It's the heart that matters.
As usual, my dear Dr Ali Sina is as silent as a mouse because he loves me so.
Very good points you've raised Scorpio. But you see – this is not a site for debating or talking about Hindu or Christian religion. It's a site specifically created for spreading the truth about Islam.
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I'm happy that you've not received any response till now & I hope it continues this way. I want to say to all members of this site to not negate or counter even one point that Scorpio has raised. He / She needs to direct these at the proper forum – where debaters or comment-ers would be willing to indulge him with counter-arguments. And this is certainly not such a forum.
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@ Scorpio,
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Would you be so kind as to point out where in India is there a temple dedicated for "Lord Indra". I'm born & raised Hindu (though I don't think I identify myself with that term any more) – and would be very happy if you could provide any links to show me a temple that is dedicated to Lord Indra. In my life I've visited & heard of temples for Siva, Vishnu, Sakthi, Amman, Murugan, Ganapathy and what-no. Heck, there's a temple that venerates RATS (in Rajasthan, I think) and some that respect SNAKES (common in South India).
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Here's an idea. If you want to attack Hindu religion, look up Ramayana – there are many instances that you'll be able to pick – and there's lots of temples for Rama & Sita. If you want VIOLENCE – look up the Bhagawath Geetha. In it Shri Krishna will incite Arjuna to kill his own teachers, relatives, friends, et cetera.
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And don't worry, I will not debate you – and will neither defend the verses or the translations that you've posted. It's simply not important for me. Did you know that even if a person doesn't like & doesn't respect the Vedas or the Upanishad or the Geetha or any / all scripture – he can still be a Hindu. Unlike Sufi dargahs that are bombed routinely in Pakistan; unlike the Ahmadis in Indonesia & Pakistan that are slaughtered like pigs & pests, even an atheist hindu can live normal life. Heck, an atheist hindu can even visit normal hindu temples and not partake in any of the non-sense that goes on under the aegis of the hindu religion (just for the fun of it).
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Can you show me an atheist Muslim – a muslim that doesn't believe in quran, a muslim that doesn't respect mohammad, a muslim that refuses to follow sharia law? Can a muslim not respect the quran and still be alive?
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MN
I don't know what it's like to love somebody? You think I'm a robot?
It's not possible for you to love someone you have not met. You have feelings for him but it's not true love until you spend time together and find out the things that you don't even like about someone, let alone love.
Charlie is right. This is puppy love, or in more technical terms, infatuation. It will pass because you don't have the foundation of a relationship with him that mature love is built on.
Sorry, you're on your own. The smart money says Dr. Sina is not going to get involved in this situation.
Oh John K, you don't know what it's like to love sombody. Yes, there are plenty of fish in the ocean and there are penty of trees in the Amazon rainforest. But it's strange that I'm stubbornly in love with that one special particular rare fish or tree in the world and I just can't get over it. Will Dr Ali Sina please help me out of this love maze?
No need to apologize. You are a real human being with real issues to cope with. The love sick phase should pass soon since you've been in it so long without reciprocal response.
Best wishes and thanks for your kind words.
Hi John K, thank you for breaking my heart again. Yes, you are right to say that Dr Ali Sina can't be bothered about my comments and my true love for him. I'm just making a fool of myself here in his website. Yes, I should stop all these stupid nonsense now. I think that many people here will be happy if I do so, especially Dr Ali Sina and Jonathan Harrel. So, do take care, my dear Mr John K. I'll miss you.
Mr everin, since you love puppy so much, so I just bought a puppy and named it Everin Charlie. It's time to castrate this irritating puppy because of puppy love. LOL.
It what way is christianity european? If europe was christianised, then christianity cannot be the true culture of europe, just like islam cannot be the true culture of iran.
"The sweeping generalizations" This is what jesus taught was it not? I see no difference between me saying the bible is clear when it says resist not evil, just like all the christians agree it says jesus rose from the dead (which includes you)aren`t you then taking an "illiterate approach".
"The Bible is a completely different kind of text with completely different criteria for understanding and evaluation." In what way?
"seriously limit your intellectual capacity and qualification to comment." I will comment on what ever i want, i will argue whatever i want, and i will not be told i have to part of some elite group to do so.
Those brave soldiers that fought back the Muslim invaders had to let go of verses like Matthew 5:38-39 that are sure to induce a scripturally related stupor.
To summarily state it; ‘believers, whether Christians or Zoroastrians, will defend themselves when their lives are at stake’ what is unwanted is for them to do it when the enemy has already crashed the gates of their fortresses.
Though Jesus advocated Pacifism in much of the religion, his followers now and then act contrary to his impossible teachings. But then, Jesus also said something about the sword as being an inseparable part of his mission, this makes any effort at unweaving the contradictory dribbles of the holy books very stultifying.
I just hope both the non-beleievers and believers could rise up to challenge the Islamic supremacy, believers should absolve both god and satan of any responsibilty in this chaos, prayers won’t roll back the Islamic tides of terror, unbelievers also must drop the political correctness, nothing is hardly correct about Islam anyway.
"One does not to read the entire bible to know what jesus meant, like you don`t have to read the entire koran to know muhammed."
I think this statement is the key to your problems of perspective and poor judgement. With simplistic and superficial attitudes like this, coupled with intellectual laziness, you will never approach an understanding of the facts.
The Quran is a unique document with a unique means of understanding it. Professional textual analysis procedures nevertheless apply to understanding it, and if you have not read it, you have limited your understanding of it before you start.
The Bible is a completely different kind of text with completely different criteria for understanding and evaluation. The sweeping generalizations you make to lump the two together along with your illiterate approach seriously limit your intellectual capacity and qualification to comment.
I should dismiss you without further argument.
Do you even live on the planet earth?
Did your parents take you out of school after kindergarten?
You have the most oddball perspectives of anyone I have ever heard.
You have really been living in a closet if you are totally unfamiliar with the Christianization of Europe.
Yes. And it was not The Pope who ordered Charles Martell and The Franks to take a stand at The Battle of Tours, killed Abdul Rahman al Ghafiqi and drove the Umayyads out of France.
Still, Martell is considered a hero to Christianity, French and Europe.
The main point is, all these people were Christians. And they realized early on, beyond the hypocrisy of “modern multiculturism” that Islam is a threat. Both to their Christendom and their way of life from that point on and stood vigilant against Islam. Something that Europeans (and the US.) have long forgotten.
"I guess you are right, some of them love to turn the other cheek, while some most are just confused." Yeah thank god most christians don`t actually do what their lord tells them. Imagine if bush just stood their and took that shit on 9-11 and organised a prayer rally for bin laden asking god to bless him and all the other islamic terroists (like the bible says to do for your enemies). One last thing wilders says christianity is part of our western heritage, how can a messianic cult from the deserts of the middle east have anything to do with western heritage?
Unlike Ghandi,his lord Indra (most popular of gods in the Vedas) was not a coward.Indra the butcher took every opportunity to instill terror into his enemies & spoil their goods.
Rg Veda 4:17:7 Moreover, when thou first wast born, O Indra, thou struckest terror into all the people.
Atharva Veda 5:21:3 (p.a182) …Bedewed with sacrifial oil,speak terror to our enemies.
Yajur Veda 17:39 Piercing the cow-stalls with surpassing vigour, Indra, the pitiless Hero, wild with anger,Victor in fight, unshaken and resistless,—may he protect our armies in our battles.
Rig Veda 1:CIII:6 To him the truly strong, whose deeds are many, to him the strong Bull let us pour the Soma.The Hero, watching like a thief in ambush, goes parting the possessions of the godless.
Rg Veda 5:35:1. INDRA, for our assistance bring that most effectual power of thine,Which conquers men for us, and wins the spoil, invincible in fight.
True,Ghandi was spineless,even though he had such an abundance of pro-slaughter Hindu scripture at his disposal and yet refused to capitalize on them.
Here are a few examples that Ghandi could've drew inspiration from to terrorise those Islamic misfits.
Atharva Veda 5:8:4 Run, ye Fxertions, farther on By Indra's order smite and slay.As a wolf worrieth a sheep, so let not him escape from you while life remains.Stop fast his breath.
Dismember,mutilate & decapitate…how beautiful!
Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
68.Snatch thou the hair from off his head, and from his body strip the skin:
69.Tear out his sinews, cause his flesh to fall in pieces from his frame.
70.Crush thou his bones together, strike and beat the marrow out of him.
71.Dislocate all his limbs and joints.
Rig Veda10:CLX:4 He looks with Ioving favour on the mortal who, like a rich man, pours for him the Soma.Maghavan in his bended arm supports him: he slays, unasked, the men who hate devotion.
Invoke Indra for wives & horses as booty
Rig Veda 4:17:16 Eager for booty, craving strength and horses, we-singers stir Indra, the strong, for friendship,Who gives the wives we seek, whose succour fails not, to hasten, like a pitcher to the fountain.
I don’t think it was the Vatican that commanded Jan Sobieski who led the Hussars to block the Moldavian plain in order to stop the Muslims from invading Austria.
PUPPY LOVE, PUPPY LOVE, OH ! PUPPY LOVE THAT CAN NEVER LAST.
"This kind of statement is not a mature understanding of Christianity" But yet you do the same with islam. One does not to read the entire bible to know what jesus meant, like you don`t have to read the entire koran to know muhammed.
"America began its secular slide." America has always been a secular country as in it has no state religion. Secularism has nothing to do with socialism, all secularism is, is the idea that religion should have no part to play in politics and thats it.
"for the stealth socialism promulgated by Obama and his administration." So if americans don`t like obama or socialism that can get of him in a couple of years, no big deal and they will have learnt a valuable lesson.
This kind of statement is not a mature understanding of Christianity and Christian culture. When analyzing any kind of text, you have to consider the entire text. My copy of the King James Bible runs 1590 pages without counting the study helps like the Topical Guide, Dictionary, and maps. Gaining a working familiarity with the nuances of concepts in a text that large is a daunting project for anyone. But suffice it to say, that "Thou shalt not kill" is counterbalanced by "Thou shalt utterly destroy". It takes a knowledge of context and intent to understand the full meaning of the text.
WWII was the period that gave us the saying, "There are no atheists in foxholes." Tom Brokaw called these people "The Greatest Generation" in his book of the same name. After the war, this generation and their children were staunch church-goers. It wasn't until the 60s generation of the anti-establishment rebellion and rise of Marxism that America began its secular slide. The election of Nixon was a reaction against that, but the 60's generation are at the height of their careers now, and are largely responsible for the stealth socialism promulgated by Obama and his administration.
These are acts by dhimmis. Remember Terry Jones and Ann Barnhardt burning the Koran. Robert Spencer is Catholic and Pamela Geller is of the Jewish faith. Look at ABNSAT.com and you can view current and past episodes of Jihad Exposed. Look at books and videos by Walid Shoebat. There is a strong anti-jihad element among Christians. Look at Swiss MP Oskar Freysinger's speech, "Have We Gone MAD?!" He cites all the things that must be done to stop Islam, and closes with the European value that must be upheld, "Love thy neighbor".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUvbJ8uM6Qw
While Wilders is an agnostic, he doesn't hold this kind of a view. Living in the midst of Christian history he knows the traditions of God helps those who help themselves and pray as if it all depended on God and act as though it all depended on yourself.
I thought you were the one he told he is using his daughter's account and his name is Charlie.
Hi Grace. Thank you for your kind words.
To me it seems that if he was interested in you, the two of you would be developing your relationship in private, whether by email, PM, or telephone. The fact that you are expressing your feelings in public comments tells me that this is the only outlet for your to express yourself.
Plus, Dr. Sina never responds except to tell you that he was not the one saying mean things to you.
You and I discussed this situation last year in Freedom Bulwark private messaging. I remember how heart-broken you were when you realized he wasn't interested. What surprises me is that you have held on to your feelings for him this long rather than move on to find someone else.
Mr everin, you can forget about this wet dream. Don't you know that I prefer to go honeymoon with a gentleman like my dear Dr Ali Sina and not a horrible 'macho' man like you. It's just a matter of time that my beloved Dr Ali Sina will come to the ultimate realization that the Son of God became the Son of man to die for his sins because of the Golden Rule. Are you a parasite living in his intestines? How do you know that he is fed up with all my sermons here? A fool says in his heart that there is no God. So are your a fool? I hope that my true love for Dr Ali Sina will not drive you crazy. LOL.
Come n honeymoon with me to prove that I am not gay, but a macho man. LOL He is an atheist n u, a staunch Christian. Only u never realize that he is fed with all yr sermons, like all of us here. Call others fools. Are u crazy ?
There is a belief, if Christianity did not take a stand in Europe during periods of Muslim Conquests. Europe and the US. would have been Islamic states by now. No democracy, no nothing. Like Saudi Arabia, or Indonesia at best only vast. So i would agree that the free world owe their freedom to Christianity.
If by going back to the church, Wilders meant the west should pray their way out of the impending Islamic threat, then I think there is a disconnect from reality right there. I can’t recall anytime when People prayed to god and a hurricane diverted its course.
Reality says we must physically intervene not throug mystic chants and wishes, I’m sure Wilders knows this, infact most religious people know this, they know that they must evacuate when told to do so, they don’t stay back in their houses and pray for the storm to change course, despite the fact that their books told them that if they believe, they can make anything happen.
But at the same time, Christians and other religionists have a way of giving the world events a wholistic meaning, some think all these things are part of a greater battle between Satan and the forces of good, so they just lay back and keep watching the apocalyptic vision unfold, I guess you are right, some of them love to turn the other cheek, while some most are just confused.
Thanks for your kind advice, Mr everin. What a name for a man like you. Are you a gay? LOL
Did Dr Ali Sina personally reveal his thoughts and realizations to you or that you are the one who make all this up? What's wrong with loving my dear Dr Ali Sina? I've got human rights to love him as he is. I guess that you're simply jealous about it.
Its not that a great percentage of christians believe islam should not be criticized, its that tolerating evil is a teaching of jesus. Where does all this "resist not evil" and love your enemy nonsense come from? It is not from the atheists or secularists as the christians will try to make you believe, it is from the mouth of their lord and saviour "38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Matthew 5:38-39. Now does wilders honestly believe that a religion with these teachings will beat something like islam? I think what wilders is trying to do is get a bigger audience and make political friends, if wilders thinks christianity is so great then why he is an atheist?
@enlightened
Wilders is a politician, he could have said those things to make the Dutch Christians think that he has a ‘working connection’ with them. But you are right, a great percentage of Christians consider Islam as just another monotheistic faith, therefore should not be criticized harshly, remember the Churches in the US that organised the ‘read the Quran day?’
Mr. Ali Sina realized that what u have for him is puppy love with an intention to persuade him to be a Christian. He has to ignore u coz u may sink deeply into an obsession. U will grow out of it. Wake up, girl.
Oh John K, /how come you know so much about how he think and felt about me? Have you checked with Dr Ali Sina with regard to how he felt about my love and sincerity here? Yes, I'll love him tactfully as per your advice.
Thankfully the american soldiers ignored what jesus said and realized that evil has to be overcome by force.
Geert Wilders was smart enough to recognize that American soldiers saved his country and Europe from the Nazis.
"Now, you tell me; are not me & my brethren the Hindus truly the most despicable, loathful, pathetic, spineless, shameless beings in the history of man-kind?" No you (the hindus) have being infected by the spineless, weak spritless religion of christianity. Since our last discussion i stumbled upon a man by the name of Leo Tolstoy who was a major influence to gandhi. Tolstoy got his ideas from the teachings of jesus (read this article http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/opinion/Resis… which is appropriately titled Resist Not Evil) So you see christianity is the root of all this "Resist not evil" nonsense and Geert wilders says ,the problem is that the churches are empty and if we return to christianity we will have more chance of beating islam, is he insane?
Your distinction is fair. There are some revival movements for the dead religions, but I consider them fringe movements.
This just goes to show that Muslims believe whatever they want to. Education not required. They are ummiyya.
Sorry to hear the news DG.
Geert Wilder's recent Berlin speech touches on your themes.
You raise good points. If Iran dumped Islam first, if nothing else, it would stir controversy and debate in other Muslim countries. That alone could cause some to leave Islam, and possibly get people to realize there are more like-minded people than they thought.
Intel also tells us that there are highly-placed Saudi royals who are quietly moving behind the scenes to move the country away from Islam.
Hi Grace. I've enjoyed some Kevin Costner films before, but hadn't heard of The Guardian, so I looked it up on Wikipedia.
You have to remember the Golden Rule includes considering how the other person feels from their perspective. From your perspective, you would want someone to insist if you resisted the Gospel, but from his perspective, it is overbearing and borders on stalking. Love him, yes, but tactfully.
Hi Johann. Grace is a woman. She is serious about her feelings for Dr. Sina. She is not gay! Hope this helps things make more sense for you.
I agree DG. We've all met people who go through a phase in life where their enthusiasm for something causes them to be overbearing in pushing their interest. It's most difficult when they are selling something. It really puts a strain on the friendship when you feel that the only reason they want to talk to you is the hope that you will buy something from them.
We all need to give thumbs up according to the merit of the comment. I've given a lot to people I've had run-ins with because I had to acknowledge the merit of the particular comment.
Good to know that Mr Arya Anand is also jealous of my love for Dr Ali Sina.
Sorry for the double posts, but Sina insinuated the possibilty of a secular Iran changing the region and probably weaning Muslims from Islam, what are the youths chances of toppling the present Mullah oriented government? I mean, the youth movement appeared to be seriously slowed by the presence of a strong opposition from the same Iranian populace,Muslims can be such progress stoppers.
The Iranian protests of 2009 featured a truly secular movement, but even if they could overthrow the Mullahs, a secular Iran would hardly influence the Saudis and the rest of the Muslim world, I could be mistaking though.
I think containing Muslims where they are with no chances of external communications will be a first major victory against their incessant evil plans, getting them to abandon Islam could come second.
@Ayn Rand
The leaders of the western world are slowly acknowledging the impossibility of a multicultural societity that includes Muslim, but as you noted, the awakening is painfully slow due to misinformation from the MSM and other Jihad enablers, just recently, a former MI5 boss called 9/11 attacks just a mere ‘criminal act’, not an act of war, and that ‘war on terror’ as a slogan is not helpful.
I guess we are in the process of change, The right groups are gaining prominence, all these politically correct rhetorics of cultural tolerance got strenthened after WW2, people are afraid to be too critical of a particular group of people lest they copy Hitler in his hatred of the Jews, but Muslims are such diabolical beings, their aim of destroying the west with constant attacks will wear out even the most hardened libertarians given enough time.
Only then, mass deportation and bans on Islam will start, and that will really bring the downfall of Islam.
Johann, you have rightly advised Agracean.
Instead of banning declaring Islam as a fascistic and expansionist political ideology like Nazism and communism guised as religion and exposing i.e educating the masses both Muslims and non-Muslims about the true face of Islam and his cult Islam and eventually banning this political movement, non-Muslim governments, political parties, social activists and the general public are merely condemning the terrorist attacks and shedding crocodile tears whenever such cowardly barbaric acts of terrorism are committed by MUSLIMS. The politically correct idiots are really cohorts of terrorists in that they turn blind eyes to terrorist attacks and appease Muslims rather than taking stern action to destroy Islam once and for all.
@D. Gandhi, why called yrself a coward ? What crime had Mohd Afzal comitted ? Is he the shooter at the taj mahal hotel ? What is PETN n Fee-manullah n Zazak Allah.? Unexpected of u to write such unclear post. Full of anger ?
Here you go again, Mr JOHANN, why are you so angry with me? Are you jealous that I pay so much attention to my dear Dr Ali Sina and neglected a petty man? What a clown!
"Don't you know that my dear Dr Ali Sina and me are inseparable because I'm his Koala bear and I love to hug him tight "
can you please name the comment above to Sina, except clowning around??? Can you take him seriously .
I don't think I am insulting him , He wants to be a clown….
And one has to express immense gratitude for the time, efforts & personal-risk that many people are facing towards this public movement.
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Folks like Ali Sina & Amil Imani are visible; but there are millions of other not-so-publicized names that undergo great troubles. There are millions of great individuals in Iran that are being intimidated, threatened & even assaulted by the regime there; these will surely be the leaders of any Islamic downfall. If people-to-people ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia become stronger; then the citizens of KSA will also follow the same path of the Iranians. Once Iran & Saudi Arabia throw Islam to sewage, the rest of the world will have to fall in place. After all, if there are no TWO MOSQUES, which directions will Pakistani's pray at?
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I wish the people of Iran the very best for their great effort; and express my immense thanks to Ali Sina, Amil Imani & millions of Iranians.
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MN
Another blast in Delhi; more infidel cowards like me, my brethren, my family murdered (no, slaughtered) like cows & pigs in our very own motherland. Harkat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami has sent an e-mail to media outlets threatening more such blasts if Mohammad Afzal is not released from prison (& his impending death sentence). HuJI has also claimed responsibility for this blast; it's purportedly used PETN and the investigations continue.
For the lack of better terms: Fee-amanullah, Zazak Allah & Allahu Akbar.
MN
It's really sad to see you finally indulge in name-calling (Clown). Some people just don't understand where to stop or what is too much.
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I've fought with Ali Sina on the gandhi-issue; I think I know what Agracean's perspective is. But I think one should draw the line somwhere; it has to stop. The *it* means both my constant whining about gandhi & the proselytizing.
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I'm with you & the many others that have given you the thumbs-up for many of your comments here.
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MN
It seems you just need attentions, I recommend everybody in this site should ignore you,
YOU ARE A CLOWN !!!!
A Person,
“that Muslims dont believe in a flat earth.”
Which muslims, some, all, none?
There was a fatwa by a Saudian Grand Mufti; Sheikh Ibn Baaz and i quote:
“The earth is flat. And whoever says it is round is an atheist deserving a punishment”
These are the words of a supreme Islamic authority. It should count for something right?
“In fact, it was the Muslims who proved that the earth was spherical more than one thousand years ago.”
Can you give some excerpts taken from the Quran and present it here? Educate us.
“And we all know who was burnt alive in Europe for propagating the fact that the earth is rather round.”
Were they? Care to corroborate that statement that says people were burnt alive for saying the earth is round.
Too bad though, the church had gone through a period of enlightenment, while Islam still beheads or hangs or stones people for numerous reasons at any given time. A tradition that still survives.
Salam,
First of all, The thing what I ust say here is that the topic here ali sina has choosen can surely create an impact on some people. However, it should not be forgotten that despite his quoting of the Holy quran, he needs to know that Muslims dont believe in a flat earth. In fact, it was the Muslims who proved that the earth was spherical more than one thousand years ago. So, though you might find the Holy quran in some verses saying the earth is flat, you must keep in mind that its not talking about the shape of earth rather its actually referring to the smooth nature of the surface of the earth which has enabled its inhabitants like the human being to survive and flourish.
And we all know who was burnt alive in Europe for propagating the fact that the earth is rather round. It was Christian church, not the Muslims that was responsible for the atrocous act…
In fine, his attacking of Islam on that score in purposeful and doesnt have anything to do with the basic belief of Islam. As a consequence, a vain attempt..
Thanks.
If we are talking about tracing religion from human history you will be right but muslims don't use that method. They used the belief that all people were muslims since day 1 (Adam was muslim). How about practiced and survived religion?
Dear John K, have you ever watched this movie 'The Guardian' before? It's all about the Golden Rule. Kevin Costner is my favourite actor and he played this role well as the hero. In fact, I cried while watching this touching movie. This movie sums up my love for Dr Ali Sina.
Take a deep breath and cool down, Mr Johann. Why get so worked up over my love and concern for my dear Dr Ali Sina? What makes you think that I'm 'attacking' my dear Dr Ali Sina here because he is not a Christian? Don't you know that I love him so much so that I can't bear to 'attack' him at all but to kiss him as passionately as I can?
Don't worry, Mr Johann, the fact is that Islam will never take over planet earth and Christians will never live like second class citizens in the world because there are also many kind souls here working closely with my dear Dr Ali Sina to rescue zombies from this Islamic sinkhole. Don't you know that my dear Dr Ali Sina and me are inseparable because I'm his Koala bear and I love to hug him tight and we always work together to dissolve this religion of lies? Of course, I know the goal of this site and hope that you're not jealous of my sharing of the absolute truth here.
Grace,
What you think about how muslims think is irrelevant. Because you don’t know how muslims think.
Listen to John. He knows things that you don’t.
Dear Agracean !
You keep attacking Mr. Sina , because he is not a christian .The fact is if Islam takes over , Christians will live as a second class citizens if not all get killed. Mr, sina is trying to fight Islam and aware people of this idealogy of hate and disease.
Are you going to join him or work against him? I know as a Christian you want everybody accept your religion and become a Christian but this is not the goal of this Site.
If you think Islam is good please let us know why, and if you think it is a bad idealogy , please join Sina to fight with it .
If you want to advertise for Christianity there are other site you can join. thanks
I'm not sure why you use the word, "confession", but rather than negative, I consider my view realistic. I think that if Dr. Sina feels any discomfort, it is not because he is uncomfortable with truth, but rather because of constant insistence on something he doesn't believe in.
If you think he keeps your comments in his heart, I would suspect you are engaging in wishful thinking. I can appreciate your affection for what he is doing for Muslims, but you can't let that blind you to his disinterest in your message. It's not something personal against you, it's your beliefs, or rather your insistence in your beliefs. I am not Dr. Sina, and I perhaps am out of line in anticipating his thoughts, but I'm just trying to help you adjust to the situation so that your posts will be more socially harmonious.
Oh, my dear John K, why such negative confession? I'd rather make him uncomfortable with the absolute truth and my most sincere comments than to watch him die without Jesus Christ as His guide! I strongly believe that all my time and effort here to convince him of the ultimate truth that my loving Creator God does exist, will not be wasted at all. Instead, it will prosper and many spiritually blind folks will see and know that Jesus Christ is Lord. It doesn't matter whether he will response to any of my good comments here or not because I knew that he keeps all my comments in his heart.
Yes, Mr Juste, I will certainly give it a rest at the proper right time. Indeed, there's a time and season for everything under the sun and because of this truth, I always treasure and grab hold of every golden opportunity given to me here by extending my hands of love to all the braindead zombies here and especially, my beloved Dr Ali Sina because of the fact that I really do love him very much. Am I scaring away the muslim readers with the plain truth? I think that they will be very happy with my most sincere and truthful revelation of this horrible cult.
Dr. Sina spent a lot of time attending Christian churches as an important part of his social adaptation to life in the West. I'm sure that if he didn't decide to become a Christian after so much exposure to it in that time, that notes in the comments section aren't going to change his mind, so it's really a wasted effort, and I'm sure it makes him uncomfortable. If he was interested, he would engage in conversational responses to her posts. But he doesn't. He rarely answers comments, and when he does, you can tell where his heart is: Muslims he has a real chance of influencing and helping.
Grace,
Give it a rest. How old are you anyway? There’s a time or a place for everything and this ain’t it.
If Ali Sina wants to be a Christian, i’m sure you’ll be one of the first ones to know about it. Furthermore, you’re scaring away the muslim readers. Stupid muslims will stop reading at your comment and never might never visit this site again. Dismissing it as a Christian website.
Dear John K, I hope that he will go to the right church for the right sermon. There's really no 'heavenly mother'.
I appreciate what you are trying to do for him, but I think he'd rather go to church if he wanted a sermon too.
Mr Johann, are you blind? This sermon is for my beloved Dr Ali Sina.
Let's hope 10% of population in Muslim countries becomes anti-Islam within a decade and bring about fall of Islam.
Hi SDF,
Islam will fall only when freedom of speech is guaranteed. I don’t see this happening in Arab countries. In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood has become stronger and even though they are the minority they have a better chance to control the country because they are more organized, more determined and more ruthless. The Coptic Christians are in great peril. I don’t hear any Arab nation wanting to get rid of Islam. Many of them actually are becoming more Islamized. Many Egyptians want to live in harmony with the Christians. They are the majority but I doubt they will have any power. The moderate majority never wins. It is the determined violent minority that always wins.
The fall of Islam will start with Iran. Iranians want to get rid of Islam and when the present regime falls, the new constitution most certainly will guarantee freedom of speech. This means anti Islam books will be sold in bookstores and anti-Islam programs will be broadcast on televisions. There will be debate and all these debates will show that Islam is a lie. The Iranians have had their close encounter with Islam and they see how ugly it is. The Arabs will most likely go through the same experience as Iranians before wanting to get rid of Islam.
Islam will fall and it will fall faster than anyone can imagine. However, things are going to become worse until that happens. Muslims will have to suffer immensely, as Iranians did before they wake up.
If there is any hope it is sites like this that educate the people and make them proactive to fight against Islam decisively. Only 10% can suddenly take the control of a country if they are determined. Don’t expect Muslims extremists to become the majority. If they reach the 10% things will change suddenly. To counter that we need to have at least 10% of the population that is equally determined to stop them. Silent majority doesn’t count, we need proactive people. If only 10% of the population becomes anti Islam, the country will be saved.
dear Mr Sina
i have been following your work since 2003 (i guess). i would like to know what are your thoughts on arab revolution.i don't think somthing like this has ever happened in history.do you think this will be the beginning of fall of islam.
the fatwa about Flat Earth is just rank #10 from 10 ridiculous fatwa
http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or…
and find another
http://www.cracked.com/article_15951_9-islamic-fa…
moon god is funny n ignorant/ how 1 billion people belive in such crap/cristians belive in stupid things too but at least dont put in practice{any more}
Keep the sermon for the church !!!!
I’ve noticed that the highest intellectuality of Most Muslims is either ‘the mastering of the science in the Quran’ or ‘a pervent belief in conspiracy theories’
The latest among such loon talks is the UN building bombing in Nigeria, although Boko Haram has unequivocally claimed responsibility for the act, to the extent of making available the picture of the suicide bomber, the Majority of the Muslims think it is the US that planned and executed the terror plot because they want to establish a base in Nigeria, such is the intellectual sophistication of Muslims, or is it plain dishonesty?
Would you stop giving false quotation from known people?
Sure, that's what I call a ridiculous excuse. Try it to other scriptures.
Since human couldn't see the splitting event of heaven and earth, Allah shouldn't tell that too, otherwise their head would split in 2.
Apparently, muslims here don't believe that Hinduism is the oldest religion.
If you ever wondered where the Quran and Bible got their scientific fables from,then check the oldest religious book in the world.
Rig Veda3:6:5 Great are the deeds of thee, the Great, O Agni:thou by thy power hast spread out earth and heaven
Rig Veda 9:74:2 A far-extended pillar that supports the sky the Soma-stalk, filled full, moves itself every way.
Rig Veda 10:58:3 Thy spirit, that went far away, away to the four-cornered earth,
Rig Veda 10:62:3 Ye raised the Sun to heaven by everlasting Law, and spread broad earth, the Mother, out on every side.
Atharva Veda 20:118:4 With might hath Indra spread out heaven and earth, with power hath Indra lighted up the Sun.
Atharva Veda 18:4:89 Within the waters runs the Moon, the strong-winged Eagle soars.
in heaven.
Atharva Veda 11:3:2. Heaven and Earth are the ears, the Sun and Moon are the eyes, the seven Rishis are the vital airs inhaled and exhaled.
My dear Dr Ali Sina, is it true that God does not exist? Must you wait until the day you kiss me goodbye, then, you'll believe that the Author of the Golden Rule is telling the truth? How in the world can you only trust Dr Albert Einstein and Spinoza who were sinners too, just like you and not Jesus Christ, the Author of the Golden Rule, Who is sinless? What happened to your IQ? Must you follow the above two dead historians' stupidity and not understand that it's limitless? Get out of human stupidity and you'll find life.
Mr. Farzad I have question about allah or god, is he/it/she infinite or finite? You say quran is a book of guidance, lets assume that muhammed had contact with some highly advanced finite alien being, becuse if allah is finite and limited (just like humans), then why is allah`s guidance better than humans?
Sorry Farzad , I thought you are writing verses from quran and want to prove original verses are different form translations.However I appreciate if you write in english so we all can understand it .This discussion is important for all of us and we would like to hear you if you have something of value to say.
Mr. Farzad writes in Persian. His English is actually good. I also wish he wrote in English so I could continue my debate with him. If he writes in Persian and I in English most of the readers can’t follow the debate. So it’s just him and I talking together.
In this comment Mr. Farzad quotes a statement attributed to Einstein which says, “Quran is not a book of algebra or geometry but is a collection of rules which guides human beings to the right way, the way which the greatest philosophers are unable to decline it.”
In my article Einstein and Islam I proved this statement is falsely attributed to Einstein. Mr. Farzad says even though the statement may not be made by Einstein it is true. The Quran should not be taken as a book of science but as a book of guidance. So, neither the claim that the Quran contains science adds anything to it nor the claim that it contradicts science diminishes it.
This argument is flawed. I have debated with thousands of Muslims and their main argument is that even though Muhammad may not have been a paragon of morality, the Quran is still the world of God because it contains scientific information that an Arab of the 7th century could not have known. There is a movement called Quran Only Muslims that wants to take Muhammad completely out of the picture as if he were irrelevant to Islam and the only thing that matters is the Quran. The Salafis also subscribe to this philosophy.
However, we simply can’t take Muhammad out of Islam because if he was a liar, his whole message can be a lie or at least part of it can be lie. How can we know where he lied and where he told the truth? Also the Quran says Muhammad is a good example which should be emulated. This is the basis of sunna.
Now Mr. Farzad says even if the Quran is wrong scientifically it does not matter because what matters is its core message which is the belief in one god and the Day of Judgment.
I am afraid Mr. Farzad is wrong. If there is a single error in the Quran, it cannot be the word of God. Therefore, it ceases to be a book of guidance. A divine book of Guidance cannot contain a single error. There are thousands of errors in the Quran.
If the Quran is wrong in the description of the universe, it is proof that its author is not God. That is all we have to establish to discredit it. If the author of the Quran did not know that the Earth is not flat why would we trust him when he tells us about the Day of Judgment or anything else?
Monotheism is a fallacy because God does not exist. But let us agree with it for the sake of argument. Monotheism existed thousands of years before Muhammad. It is not something new.
Muhammad’s Day of Judgment is also false as I demonstrated in my debate with Mr. Farzad. He answered it injecting his own interpretation which is not supported by the Islamic scriptures.
You are not in Saudi Arabia buddy , write in english.You think if you write your quran in arabic it gets meaningful and people respect it more ?? crap is crap in any language.!!!!
I can understand why in Quran stated that earth is spread out flat, imagine if you say that earth is round then your head will start rolling to the ground ^_^
جناب سینا
جواب این نوع اشکالات همانطور که در بحثهای قبلی هم اشاره کردم همین جمله ای است که به انیشتین نسبت داده می شود
“Quran is not a book of algebra or geometry but is a collection of rules which guides human beings to the right way, the way which the greatest philosophers are unable to decline it.”
البته مهم نیست که انیشتین واقعا چنین چیزی گفته یا نگفته بلکه مهم واقعیتی است که در این جمله نهفته است؛ قرآن همانطور که در ابتدای سوره بقره آمده است کتاب هدایت است٬شما در هیچیک از آیات قرآن نمی توانید چنین نسبت صریحی به قرآن بدهید که زمین گرد است یا صاف است و این موضوع در مورد سایر واقعیت های علمی نیز ثابت است نه وجود نشانه هایی بر اثبات حقایق علمی چیزی به ارزش قرآن اضافه می کند و نه مطالبی مشابه آنچه در این فیلم به آن اشاره شده چیزی از ارزش قرآن کم می کند.
جناب دکتر
تمام آیات قرآن خلاصه در دو کلمه است
1-توحید
2-معاد
و تنها این دو واقعیت است که به درد امروز و فردای من و شما می خورد.
Brilliant presentation, very well put up.
A very convincing video proving just how primitive the Quran (and the Bible and Torah) is. Lack of scientific knowledge coupled with common sense and of you get a flat earth held in place by mountains. The sun is orbiting the earth, burning the black peoples living near its rising place. And of course, the heaven is risen above the earth without any pillars! I think a seven year old retarded child could have figured out this nonsense…
Funny thing about the human mind, many muslims leave islam because of the scientific errors of the quran, that makes Allah look a real fool, but how many will leave islam because of its evil commands to kill fellow human beings?
Not as many.
Either way, they are corrupting the Quran, so Islam can't stand the test of time.
Quranic science is called Boodoo Science. Or acronymically termed BS.
They already corrupted the Islamic scripture with this so called science.
Also quran talks about computer, cellphone, radio, tv , cars , airplane and everything else human has discovered or will discover in the futrue. All you have to do interpret the verses the way you want to prove something.The problem is that you can not figure out something unless it will be discovered and proved by kafirs.
in QURAN say clearly earth is sphere..
but MUSLIM always say earth is spread out…
what muslim means with spread out??
yes spread out means earth so big,
we can find knowledge every where..
dont claim islam if u dont know
what "qoute" in ISLAM menas…
ALLAH will show their MIRACLE!!!
but in science miracle can be explain!!!
ALLAH say that!!!
ALLAH law,ALLAH can show their miracle,
buat their miracle can be explain by science…
non-muslim ure stupid enough…
earth was not somehow "crumbled" up or "rolled together" its build on the babylonean creation myth called "enuma elish" where earth was created out of the body of the saltwater godess tiamat.. further more.. what the quran means by "shake with you".. means earth was like a boat which floated on an ocean of (fresh)water(apsu).. when man walks around on earth (the boat) it "shakes with us".. same as when one walks around on a boat.. it jumps up and down.. the mountains according to the ancient people prevented earth (the boat) from shaking.. by having pegs which connected earth to the 1 hell (out of 7) making the earth "standing firm"..
the "barrier" (barzak) that the quran talks about is the barrier between freshwater (apsu) and freshwater (tiamat)
allah made a separation between these 2 waters.. the 1 underneath earth and the other around earth.. (flat pancake)
THIS is what the quran talks about..
Allah Akbar, Kill the infidel !!!!!(That's all these crap heads understand)