What is my Identity?

What is my Identity?

I really do not know how or where to start but the fact is that I am really and truly confused with regards to my identity.. I have been born and bred in a typical Sunni Muslim household.. I have always considered myself a very moderate Muslim or rather a liberal one.. I have had boyfriends and relationships.. I have tons of Non Muslim friends who I adore and trust much more than their Muslim counterparts. I have never ever discriminated anyone based on their religious background. I treat people on the basis of their nature and their moral character rather than on their religious beliefs. I do not have any prejudice for any religion, NO actually that is not true.. I do hate those so called Muslim fundamentalists who kill innnocent people in the name of God.. Ever since 9/11, I have been having some doubts but I was too cowards to face them or even acknowledge them until recently when I came accross Daniel Pipes and thru him, I came to know about you..

I am really confused and going thru an identity crisis.. Pleas help me..

 

Shakila

 

 

Dear Shakila,

There is no confusion about your identity. You are a human.  This is the identity we all share.  Thanks heaves you are a decent human.  Our beliefs are not our identity. They, like our clothing, can be changed. What you believe does not define who you are any more than your coat does.

Do you really believe in the same things you believed ten or twenty years ago or when you were a child?  Of course not! You see the world differently and your perception of reality has changed.

We don’t identify ourselves by our clothing, uniforms or costumes, so why should we identify ourselves by our transient beliefs?

This is the root of all problems. People forget that they are humans first and foremost and seek their identity in spurious things such as their religion, nationality, color of skin, caste, etc.  These are the things that separate us. But they are superficial and meaningless.

We can have several identities, as long as they are not in opposition. For example you can be a cop and a gardener. But you can’t be a cop and a thief.  Likewise you can be a human and a Christian or a Hindu or a Buddhist. They are not in contradition. But when you assume a Muslim identity, your humanity is reduced to the extent that you believe and practice Islam.   Those who are complete followers of Islam, like the terroritsts and many imams, have no humanity left in them.

What will happen if we don’t see ourselves as Muslim, Christian, Hindu, white or black, etc., but as humans? That would be a major shift of paradigm.  It is just sheer incidence that you were born into a Sunni Muslim family.  We must not focus on what is incidental but on what is essential. In essence,  you, along with other seven billion people sharing this planet are a human.  Through this shift of paradigm we can see our oneness and our sameness.

Ideologies that divide mankind should be discarded.  To some extent all ideologies divide mankind. But some ideologies are decisively divisive. They divide people between “us” and “them,” and promote hatred and distrust of the other.  Sigmund Freud, said, “It is always possible to bind together a considerable number of people in love, so long as there are other people left over to receive the manifestations of their aggression.”

Racism, fascism, communism, Islam, and some other less known ideologies use hatred of the other to bind their members together.  They need enemies to survive. Hatred fuels these ideologies. Take the hatred of non-believers away and Islam ceases to exist.

The problem with these ideologies is that the more we identify ourselves with them the less becomes our human identity. Our human identity brings us closer together. When I focus on my humanity, I see the same in you and in all other humans. We are just one people, share the same genes, have the same feelings, the same hopes and fears. We love the same way and cry the same way.  There is no difference between us. Unlike most species, like dogs, goats, and horses, which have many races, we humans have only one race.  We have thousands of ethnicities, but we belong to one race.  This is our identity.

Any ideology that diminishes this identity is evil.  We must not tolerate it.  We must not tolerate fascism, communism, racism, sexism, and Islam.  Anything that divides mankind, under the pretext of race, gender, class, or religion must be opposed and eliminated.

We must respect people’s right to believe even in things we don’t believe.  I am an atheist but I am not promoting my belief. It is just my choice because so far it makes more sense to me.  I respect your choice to believe in anything you want, but not if you believe in things that divide mankind, promote hatred and cause division.   That is why I fight to eradicate Islam – not because I believe it is false. I believe all religions are false. I oppose Islam because it is divisive. It diminishes our human identity.

You say you don’t discriminate against anyone for their religion and treat people on the basis of their nature and their moral character rather than their faith.  In that case you are violating the teachings of the Quran that says only Muslims are brother to each other, don’t take as friends and allies (awlia) your own father and brother if they like disbelief and don’t befriend the unbelievers, strive against them, and kill them wherever you find them.   None of the things you do is Islamic.  So why do you call yourself a Muslim?

The problem is that when people like you call themselves Muslim they give legitimacy to Islam, but Islam is evil.  You become like the sugar that sweetens the poison.   People look at you and say we know Shahkila. She is a good person and she is a Muslim so Islam must be a good religion.  But there lies the deception. You are a good person because you don’t follow Islam. You are a good human because you are a bad Muslim.  Good Muslims are dangerous and evil. They are full of hate, like Muhammad.

Your identity is the same as it has always been – a good human. You thought Islam is a good faith. We all did, but we did not know the truth. Now that we see the truth we must throw Islam away.   The more we become Muslim the less human we become.  Any religion or ideology that divides mankind must be discarded and opposed.  Collectively we must not accept evil beliefs.  Banning racism, fascism, communism or Islam is not a violation of human rights. It is the defense of human rights.  It is our duty to oppose these divisive doctrines and eradicate them.   No human has a right to promote hatred.  The world will be a better place without these doctrines of hate.

I know you are a good person and most Muslims are just like you.  But as a Muslim you are a carrier of this disease.  There are people who are HIV positive but do not show any sign of AIDS.  This does not mean HIV is harmless.  You may have good resistance but someone else can catch this virus from you and get AIDS.   Likewise most Muslims have good resistance to Islamic disease.  They are infected by it but don’t show any sign of madness. However, they transmit this disease to others and to their children and millions of innocent people catch the disease of Islam and are transformed into monsters.

If I am HIV positive and sleep around, I am just an immoral person, but if I know I have HIV and still sleep around, I am a criminal.

So far you did not know that Islam is evil, but now you know. From now on it is criminal to call yourself a Muslim.  I have more respect for the suicide bomber than I have for shameless deceivers such as Zuhdi Yasser, Irshad Manji, Tarik Fatah and others like them who denounce everything Islam teaches and say Islam is not this.  They are deceiving the people.  And they will continue deceiving as long as they find an audience.

 

Update: You might be interested to know that Shakila left Islam and now has her own blog http://liberatednow.blogspot.com/

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  2. This is a clear fraud. . .

    Here is the blog of this person – Shakilah Khan
    http://liberatednow.blogspot.co.uk/

    Written in meticulous American English – which does not compare with the above, mistakes ridden, alleged email.

    - – -

    When Ms Khan's story was questioned, one her blog . . .she has scarpered!

    She claimed to live in Dubai – since age 10 – was of Pakistani parentage. . . . despite questioning she was unable to communicate in either Arabic or Urdu/Punjabi.

    Her meticulous language was American English. . . when questioned, at first, she claimed it was due to TV. However – when lack of Arabic – given as to how she works in Dubai . . . no response.

    Then the ties with Robert Spencer were questioned . . . she said he was a good friend. Then claimed "bob" was the one uploading these posts and not her . . . for security fears!

    - –

    Another interesting aspect is that this site has been banned in Dubai!

  3. /Ha ha ha" – is that what you call "knowledge". . . . and where is the pride? /

    Have i said "Ha,ha,ha" is " knowledge". You ,yourself had clubbed it to the term "knowledge"and putting thesis on your horrible understanding . Your grasping is very poor ,you are misunderstanding ; mixing ,whole lot of things and, come up with your own findings,which is lacking the understanding of reality ( true follower of Taqqiya master, MAD MOHAMMED),ha,ha,ha……… .i AM NOT A FOOL ,TO GIVE TITLE OF KNOWLEDGEABLE TO THE AUTHOR OF HA,HA,HA,BY ACCEPTING HA,HA,HA, AS 'KNOWLEDGE' .

  4. /"Even i can comfortable with Jesus"
    What does that mean./
    Because Jesus never taught hate,unlike Mohammed's discourse of "Hate" ,he is embodiment of love & compassion. I can freely move in the society of believers, the same cannot be true with the followers of MAD MOHAMMED ,they always waiting for a chance to loot we unbelievers ,there is no repentance for such act but bestowed reward by your cult leader with plenty of damsel's in the heaven.That is why ,i said ,i am comfortable with Jesus, Mr. big fool .If you fail to grasp this simple statement ,then it is your lack of "Knowledge",i cant help.

  5. /His discoveries was new and advanced the knowledge./

    /His discoveries were new/, this means no one realized before him( he was author to it)Ha ,ha ,ha…….. see how you are vulnerable here.

  6. You sit on the shores of a rive , putting your legs in the water and, claims you know swimming ,who knows, you really able to swim ,unless you come to the deep and shows your swimming skill,you are nothing but a gobbledegook.

  7. Running and running how far …….?

  8. "Look it is your own findings ,how proud you are about ,one must be(this is called independent knowledge and not borrowed one)"

    You really are one dishonest so and so. . .

    "Ha ha ha" – is that what you call "knowledge". . . . and where is the pride?

    - – -

    "See how you jumped in defining this term immediately ,because you are the author"

    lol – use of Ha ha ha – did NOT originate from me. As the word "knowledge" didn't either.

    You started this poor "game" – you play it!

    It has NOTHING to do with me.

    My definition of KNOWLEDGE is no different from the experts. End of.

    - – -

    "But when it come's to defining "Knowledge" or "Allaha" you falter,because you are not having any substantial understanding ,under such circumstances"

    Ha ha ha ha . . . . BS and you know it!

    - – -

    " if you find it difficult to stand here in the league of learned people"

    But you are NOT learned . . . you are NOTHING.

    I doubt you completed school until 16.

    - – -

    This definition this is NONSENSE – you started.

    I was TOO clever for you. . .. and refused to part-take in silly "games".

    And YOU cannot take it. . . .

    - – -

    Now go an play with yourself . . . and take this nonsense with you.

  9. Look it is your own findings ,how proud you are about ,one must be(this is called independent knowledge and not borrowed one)See how you jumped in defining this term immediately ,because you are the author,i appreciate it .But when it come's to defining "Knowledge" or "Allaha" you falter,because you are not having any substantial understanding ,under such circumstances ,you hide your head in the send. Blaming others of BS, if you find it difficult to stand here in the league of learned people , unnecessarily don't poke your nose.

  10. I don't. You started the nonsense. It has NOTHING to do with me.

    Now that your poor game is up. . . . you had nothing to say.

    Poor you.

    Ha ha ha . . . .

  11. Oh!!! pussy cat don't close your eye's ,every one see,s you ,there is no way to hide ,tell me what do you mean by the term "knowledge",here on this site.

  12. "See Again you are faltering on the term ,"Knowledge". "

    Quit your nonsense . . .and lying. I don't NEED to define KNOWLEDGE.

    I gave you a link that did a good job!

    - – -

    "When it comes to the subject's pertaining Gravitation we study Newton's mind why? ,because he is author to it ,so it is his self acquired knowledge ,independent of others."

    BS – no one studies Newton's mind. We study science books. Theories about physics have developed somewhat since Newton.

    Also it is NOT really self-acquired knowledge – as he learned Physics from those before him.

    His discoveries was new and advanced the knowledge.

    - – -

    "You have to see that, these people have gained these knowledge independent of others."

    Don't throw up – rubbish. I mentioned this . . . don't pretend YOU are saying this now.

    - – -

    "In that context you are borrowing and making bold statement about mastery "

    Really – where and which ones?

    What the hell are you one about?

    - – -

    "How can you say the author of that knowledge "

    What knowledge – what NONSENSE are you talking . . .

    You asked me to define "Knowledge"

    Then this BS . . .

    NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE.

    - – -

    Like I said – you were trying to play games . . . .

    I out-smarted you.

    So quit spouting nonsense.

    - – -

    Ha ha ha ha . . . . You are COMPLETE and UTTER fraud.

    I am openly laughing at your nonsense.

  13. See Again you are faltering on the term ,"Knowledge". When it comes to the subject's pertaining Gravitation we study Newton's mind why? ,because he is author to it ,so it is his self acquired knowledge ,independent of others. In the same way the theory of Evaluations copy right goes to Darwin and General Relativity to Einstein.You have to see that, these people have gained these knowledge independent of others.We cant tag them as borrowed ,but when we use their mind in reference,certainly we are borrowing them.In that context you are borrowing and making bold statement about mastery , How can you say the author of that knowledge ,which you are borrowing had rightly understood the subject at the first instance ,take for example your master MOHAMMED.

  14. See how bizarre your postings are . . .

    "Exactly,i can go after Sir.Issac Newton for his theory of gravitation and lot more ,they stand to be true "

    You do not KNOW much about this at all. Hence why you are lying and pretending to know.

    - – -

    ",Darwin"for his theory of "Evaluation" or Einstein for "General Relativity","

    Neither do you know much about any of those. . . .

    People like you just mention them to appear knowledge.

    But you do not make any point! Just mention some big names. . . which is ABSURD to say the least

    - – -

    "Even i can comfortable with Jesus"

    What does that mean.

    - – -

    "but it is not so with this MAD MOHAMMED ,since you are representing him you must satisfy us about his prophet hood beyond any one,s doubt."

    Again meaningless. Who is us?

    There is ONLY you in this context.

    Then what it – that you want to know?

    What are you on about. . . .

    - – -

    Look how absurd your thought is . . . .

    I exposed your poor "borrowed" knowledge BS.

    Rather than answering that . . . you went off on another tangent.

  15. Even new discoveries are based on previous knowledge acquisition.

    Exactly,i can go after Sir.Issac Newton for his theory of gravitation and lot more ,they stand to be true and,Darwin"for his theory of "Evaluation" or Einstein for "General Relativity", Even i can comfortable with Jesus ,but it is not so with this MAD MOHAMMED ,since you are representing him you must satisfy us about his prophet hood beyond any one,s doubt.If you do that , i assure you ,i live this blog forever.

  16. "This is called borrowed knowledge"

    Are you really that stupid? Surely you cannot be?

    What knowledge isn't "borrowed"?

    It is all "borrowed".

    Even new discoveries are based on previous knowledge acquisition.

    - – -

    "i want to understand you with knowledge ,that is you self acquired independent of others mind"

    No such thing exists.

    Hence why you speak such BOLLOCKS!

    Maybe if you learned English . . . .

    - – -

    "what it is you so proud of it. "

    THat is YOU and YOUR LYING. I am not proud of any knowledge.

    As I do NOT know nearly enough.

    - – -

    It is JUST that I know far far far more than you!

  17. This is called borrowed knowledge,i want to understand you with knowledge ,that is you self acquired independent of others mind,what it is you so proud of it.

  18. It is way to express laughter in text!

    How stupid does one have to be . . . .

  19. "For this same reason i asked you what is your definition of "Knowledge",but you are running away from answering ."

    See – people like you rely on lying. I have answered. I gave you a link as a way of answering. . . my definition of what knowledge is NO DIFFERENT from how a dictionary or experts have defined the word.

    - – -

    Rest is all BS . . . . and nothing more.

    That is all you can post.

    Regarding actual matters. . . .

    You have already admitted – you have NOT MUCH KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM!

    - – -

    Hence . . . . you cannot speak about anything useful . . . hence the bullshit above.

    That is why you write meaningless posts.

  20. This is what your poor understanding of statement .For this same reason i asked you what is your definition of "Knowledge",but you are running away from answering . Here the golden palace means ,the reservoir of beautiful knowledge which emanates like gold from all sides, he himself has become knowledge .The walls too have become gold ,because of the brightness of the that palace and the presiding deity within .Here wall is represented by all the intelligent lad's here. You hit your head to this wall and get injured always.All the time you are running from pillar to post in the hope of getting entry to the gate .Some time out of pity Mr.Sina comes to hear you personally on the gate ,but your fair knowledge wont match to the caliber of Sina. and he abandons you,because he don't want to waste his time on compost.

  21. Can you define what is Ha ha ha ? .For my conclusion of course!!!!.

  22. "Sina lives in golden palace surrounded by golden wall"

    Ha ha ha . . . . is that why he has trouble keeping a site up? Problem affording decent host?

    - – -

    "you are hitting your head to this wall and got injured all the time,when you feel the pain,obviously,you run away to some other part , because you are incapable in finding , entry to the gate of Sina's palace."

    What does htis even mean?

    Ha ha hah ha ha. . . .

    Sina is running scared . . . as his lies are exposed. Silly nonsense like this isn't going ot protect him.

    - – -

    Ha ha ha . . .

    Run along little boy.

    Go play with your toys.

  23. Sina lives in golden palace surrounded by golden wall,you are hitting your head to this wall and got injured all the time,when you feel the pain,obviously,you run away to some other part , because you are incapable in finding , entry to the gate of Sina's palace.You have to work hard dude, to reach Sina's abode ,it is a distant dream ,poor guy "non-sense" navigator.,

  24. More nonsense . . .

    Does well for reputation of Sian and his site.

    People like you.

    Keep it up!

  25. Ha ha ha ha . . . . I have ONE writing style. My comments are all through this site.

    Someone like YOU!

    See . . .. what I have DONE to people like YOU.

    Even your master is running scared. . . .

    Ha ha ha. . . .

    I dominate this site – easily.

    - – -

    This is WHY – you are reduced to spouting nonsense.

    And nothing more.

    Deep in your heart – you know fully well –

    YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

  26. Ha ha ha . . . same pathetic comment – copied everywhere.

    One has to laugh. . . . Where is Sina now?

    Ha, Ha . . . . I did say – this site will come to an end. . . I didn't think it will be this soon!

  27. This is balloon of Ameen ,if you puncture it ,it will rise somewhere with different denomination. Some time,s it is Abdul in the form of "Mote in your eye's" ,some time it is my name is "nobody " .And to a lessor extent he becomes Zitouni and Slave of Prophet,he is a "Rang Berangi".He is afraid about , others doing the same tricks with him ,poor fellow.Now here he is in new "Avatar". Let him enjoy.

  28. Every peace, freedom loving, equality for all, equality of gender, equality of all religions, liberal, progressive, open and tolerant, all embracing , pious people loves you . But what you write under threat, fear of grave , dread of hell fire by that false ISLAMIC ALLAH, You are brain washed and live like a vegetable without life and meaning. Do you know ISLAM ? What is good about it ? ISLAM is a primitive, most primitive, death cult . ISLAM is hatred , ISLAM is sex and slavery . ISLAM is discrimination – discrimination between ISLAMIC men and women, Between different sects of ISLAM , betrween different castes (tribes ) of ISLAM !!!! SHIA-SUNNI-AHMADI-ISMAILEE-bhora – DAWWODI etc. Castes – Syed, ansari,hyder, quraishi, siddiqui etc. ISLAM is based on discrimination, hatred, killing, ill will to all unbelievers, ISLAM is rape, loot , destruction, killing, lies and criminal acts of that monster MO . Mo was a liar,lecher, rapist,pedo and killer. Which charater and trait of MO do you want to follow ? ISLAM is sex and slavery ,misogyny,polygamy.

  29. Peter Muller – an imposter and a hard core ISLAMIST !!! Remove the mask . You are not truthful at all. ISLAM does not belong in human civilization. ISLAM is based on hatred, sex, slavery, killing, ill will, discrimination against unbelievers. You are trying to avoid all truth and manufacture some hallucinations of your's. Read SIRA, READ HADIS, READ QQUURRAAN. Examine study and analyze ISLAMIC history, ISLAMIC culture, ISLAMIC regimes, ISLAMIC societities . compare and tell us what is good about ISLAM or MUSSALMANS, followersa of that monster profit profiteer. Examine point by point . ISLAM is savagery, ISLAM is intolerant, ISLAM is killing, ISLAM is sex, slavery, ISLAM is ill will ,jealousy. ISLAM is fear of the grave and dread of the eternal fire by ISLAMIC ALLAH. ISLAM is cruel, ISLAM is brutal. ISLAM is most primitive. If you are not happy with german or any unbeliever , then you go to SODI BARBARIA and live in your paradize ever after liking homos too. !!! enjoy !!! Your paradize . and everybody here will be happy to see you in SODI BARBARIA , really , really . It is a huge country .

  30. I feel so sorry for most of these people in this blog. You have no clue what is going on in this world so please stop talking. It doesn't matter if you are muslim, christian, jewish or hindu.
    It is wrong to compare muslims with terrorist. It is true that there are terrorist but the christian aren't any better. I'm just saying "Crusade". And if now people are saying "this doesn't count … it was a long time ago" then another example for you "the kosovo war". The dutch took the weaporny of the albanian and they were without any protection then. After the serbs (christian) came and killed everyone. Men, women, and babys. Also in Norway last year was a mass murder – and this guy was also christian.

    So there is no religion better or worse then the others. But it can be said that Europeans are the worst. They started colonys in America, Africa and Australia and killed many natives.

    So to all of the uneducated people in this blog … if you call muslims terrorist then you should call the Americans and Europens also terrorists. I am German by the way and I'm not proud of being german.

  31. Baby tell me ,your Alla provides pious Muslim men ( who kills infidel kaffirs like exploding bombs,or hitting plane,s to towers etc) will get 72 virgins girls in the heaven for their entertainment and what you bunch of pious muslima's ( wearing hijab all the time ( depriving yourself from vital vitamin D ),keeping yourself virgin (on occasions masturbating),and entertaining your spouses all the time whenever he feels ,from front and back on standing and or in sleeping ;allowing him to beat you etc.)will get in heaven.

  32. This is a very racist article and I hope its been reported or flagged, because it seriously is rude!

  33. Shakila Do Not Listen To These People! I Repeat Do Not Listen To These People, Obviously They Are Uneducated People Who Clearly Do Not Know Anything About Islam These People Think Muslims Are Terrorists & That We Are Evil… So What About Hitler, Stalin, & Napoleon ? All Of These People We're Terrorist But Just Because Their Christian They Get An Easy Way Out…. Hitler Nearly Executed An Entire Race! And To The Person Who Wrote This Article Clearly Hasn't Even Picked Up A Q'uran… Know Have You Mr. I Know It All But Yes Im A Douche Bag! Did The Thought Of Why So Many Millions Of People In America Have Become Muslim? Not By Force Honey But By Being Enlightened By God! Jesus Christ Stated To His Disciples " Do Not Worship Me" & Mohamed Stated " Do Not Worship Me" At Least Us Muslims Know How To Follow A Few Simple Rules… At Least We Still Know Where God Put Us On This Universe.. We Know Every Bit Of Our History… Today I Ask A Random Christian The Difference Between Jesus And The Holy Spirit Is….. What Do They Tell Me ? Ugh… I Dont Know, But Maybe If You Read The Bible You'll Know… I Read The Bible… Get Nothing Out Of It But Quotes And Stories. Shakila I Am Like You A Confused Young, Muslim… I Am American & Proud So Back Off Telling Me I Should Go Back To My Country… I Know How You Feel & I've Had Those Doubts But Honestly People Like This Break Us… Make Us Feel Like We're Worthless Pieces Of Crap… Yet There Invade Our Countries For Oil… Just Live Your Life To The Fullest… Create A Good Relationship With God… I Wear A Hijab.. Aka For Those UNEDUCATED Know It Alls Its That Thing W Wear On Our Head.. And I Never In A Million Years Thought I Would Ever Do It… And Yes Its Tough But God ( ALLAH) Is Proud Of Me… Im A Virgin… I Dont Have AIDS Or HIV's… Like Certain People… I'm Never Called A Slut Or Prostitute Or Whore… I Get Respect From Everyone! And Thats What You Need… Respect!
    Too Those People Who Dont Like What I Got To Say I Suggest You Suck On A Lollipop And Cry Yourself To Sleep… Duces!

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  35. You have a quite and peaceful soul. Your soul is searching and I met so many people like you who think like you and were searching for the same thing you are. They found the answer in the BIBLE and now realized now that the answer to their questions and the whole worlds problems is JESUS.

    Please, don't hate me for telling you what I think will help you. You are free to listen to me or to all the rest of my brothers and sisters who are trying to help you. It's your life and YOUR decision.

    Thank you & God Bless YOU

  36. Interesting Ali
    Friday 4 May 2012, 3:40 pm

    There is much common between psyche of ex-Muslim folks and LGBT folks regarding identity.

  37. You don\’t know the meaning of hurt. Telling the truth is not hurting. Hitting, abususing and killing is hurting.

  38. Dear Mr. Sina

    Are you Really" have Muslim friend?

    But why, you trying to hurt him? from the site you have? :

  39. Because i look at this show with older eyes, it is not the dancing containing me in giggles…oahu is the fashions. My goodness, we wore some wild and crazy shit a while ago.He kinda jogs my memory of Ron Jeremy, but…less classy! Besides, it’s just marriage! Who inside the hell takes that shit seriously?

  40. I thought Soul Train sucked because ALL of the performers Had to lip sync. My parents employed to watch Solid Gold and when i was bored I would watch that mess. But, I was thinking Arsenio was funny-ish.

  41. Please inform me we didn’t really look like that, dress like that, and dance prefer that? I swear I saw a person who could pass to get a sista, another Michael Jackson “don’t stop til you receive enough” video clone, and Rhianna’s mother (the chick along with her hair down to her ass dancing in some sort of baby doll lingerie outfit). Oh that i’m sure I saw a Rick James wannabe inside too. This all before 10 each morning!

  42. Don, thank you for the effortless cool you delivered to our lives. Go along with God and strut down the Soul Train Line using the angels.

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  49. Who knows if she will be back to answer or if she would say anyway.

  50. A Typo is not likely, as the e key is not next to the a, and the n is not next to the k key.
    Way more likely she had picked a pseudonym from several names she liked and for a moment forgot which one she had chosen. There could be many explinations, hence, the reason I directed the question to Shakila. :)

  51. I do not infer anything nor do I want to open a can of worms here, but out of strong curiosity, I must ask you Shakila. Why did you sign off as "Shenila"?

  52. Mouth doesn’t prove anything as you avoid many topics about Islam.

    I've done my part but where is yours? ;)

  53. You don't even pay attention to my post. Nothing is fair in Islam if you talk about its mission.

    If you're really serious you should take on me on various subjects about Islam but you were not.

    Like I said, my queries can't be answered with video especially youtube. What kind of source is that?

  54. Facts are not half quoting and miss wording (as in those not knowing that slay and kill was mortal combat and says the rights to defend oneself showing Ali Sina, others and yourself do not know Arabic )

    Do not let your ego run wild

    How would you react to someone saying Mormons believe in something which is not true and tried to pass it off as fact as a Mormon you would say hang on a minute that is not true as you would know that is not the case at all.

    Respect all faith not just your own

    -JSOP

  55. Right. There are two causes of Muslim denial of the facts. The first is ignorance, and the second is lying.

    In Islam lying is actually not considered a negative trait, but in the West it is, so I give the benefit of the doubt and approach them as if they are ignorant until they show me that they are lying.

  56. Watch the video it is about fair combat and how killing innocents is wrong

    -JSOP

  57. Common miss understanding this is not true but alas some seem to not see this

    -JSOP

  58. Read again John I was saying Most Muslims on this site are degraded

    You all say it is only towards Islam yet you say comments which contradict this as you degraded and threaten them ect

    I thought you were not claiming to be superior then anyone ?

    -JSOP

  59. Is there any of your videos that actually discuss anything about Islam eh? o.0

    My queries can't be answered with videos. :p

  60. Both of you are name callers and run when cornered actually. :p;)

  61. Islam doesn't respect others. ;)

  62. The world should give respect to the victim first and see who the culprit was. ;)

    You are indeed baseless and too general. Whenever specific topic arises you avoided it. :p

    You only deny and deny. o.0

  63. john k they have read it but they are pretending

  64. >>>>>>>>>BREAKING NEWS
    Tuesday 6 December 2011, 4:33 am

    Dear Bro – Operation Scorpion Snake has begun.

  65. Notice he didn't understand your statement. I don't think his English is good enough to realize he said most Muslims are degraded. He probably meant to say "not" degraded.

  66. Why don't you realise the difference between a muslim and a non muslim.

  67. This video is scary. Imagine the friendly looking man/woman, who reads and believes 'kill the infidels' or 'Plot against them and deceive them' etc.

  68. ''I'm really amazed that you have the nerve to confess the truth that most muslims are degraded.''

    Get to know a few Muslims maybe ?

    ''can you imagine what will happen to you when you meet him down below in that lake of fire? ''

    Yet another playing God who are you to assume I am going to hell ?

    You are not God as no one has the right to say who is going to heaven or hell (I say the same comments to Muslims also)

    ''So, he will certainly hit your balls down below for differentiating between extremist and moderate muslims and dividing them into different sects. ''

    Extremist contradict Islam that is not dividing Islam that is pointing out they are hurting innocents which is a big no no in Islam that is if you even studied it at all (Comments show you have not )

    What of all the killing,tormenting, invading, killing of innocents and causing unrest in the world with the excuse of the greater good to justify it ?

    -JSOP

  69. This none scene is spread just to justify hurting and persecuting innocent Muslims

    You are saying they are guilty of a crime before they do any crime

    Based on a paranoia of Islam and Muslims nothing more

    -JSOP

  70. Not a evil Cult Agracean, as some other Christians could easily say your behaviour and the way you treat Muslims and others Christians is contradicting your text and none religious people say all religions are cults so that is not really a good example

    ''This delusional muslim speaker ''

    It is clearly stating what Islam is meant to be and what the current problem is

    It is quite amazing that some (small %) can not tell the difference between an everyday Muslim (peaceful) and the extremist (1%)

    What is plaguing the world is not simply Muslims or Islam but extremist of every walk of life justifying killing innocents and invading other countries for land and power

    Loot around not just have your bias views channelled on Islam or Muslims

    Actions of a few extremist do not justify the hatred and violence of any innocents that goes for any walk of life

    -JSOP

  71. Oh, my dear Mormon John K, it's up to you to judge my good character here but my super good conscience is always clear and after weighing what's important and what's not so important, I've made the choice to swim against the current and tried my very best to pull a stubborn man like you to the safe shore. ;)

  72. But why The koran has mythical personages in it?

  73. Mr JSOP, how can you say that Islam is not the problem when the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdullah is the source of the problem and that he is the head or god of all terrorists and suicide bombers?

  74. Hi JSOP, if you knew that one of your family members or loved ones joined an evil cult, will you still continue to stay supportive, act cool and respect his/her evil faith? Or will you try your best or even risk your own precious life to save and deliver him/her from this evil cult?

    This delusional muslim speaker in the video clip is just another gullible dummy who has failed to see through Muhammad's real facet and he failed to grasp the truth that it was Muhammad who first initiated all kinds of evil teachings and killings and injustice in the Middle east. He can preach and teach all his muslim audience to be good and peaceful muslims but take a good look at all the mullahs, ayatollahs, immans in the Muslim countries and you'll know that they all learnt from Muhammad what Islam is all about.

  75. Hi JSOP, Muslims are just gullible human beings who fall into the trap set by the world's biggest intelligent crook, Muhammad ibn Abdullah and if they remain dormant like an inactive volcano, never read and practice what is written in that death manual, Quran, the world is pretty safe place temporarily. But if all these dormant muslims or volcanoes have nothing better to do and suddenly became active and start reading and practice what Muhammad preached, then I'm pretty sure that our planet earth became full of active volcanoes that are ready to erupt anytime, anywhere. Isn't what I said is true?

  76. Mr JSOP, I'm really amazed that you have the nerve to confess the truth that most muslims are degraded. I think that your Muhammad ibn Abdullah is not going to be pleased with your above comment and can you imagine what will happen to you when you meet him down below in that lake of fire?

    Don't you know that according to Muhammad ibn Abdullah, muslims are the same everywhere as long as you are a muslim. So, he will certainly hit your balls down below for differentiating between extremist and moderate muslims and dividing them into different sects.

    Everybody hates war and who likes to wage war against one another and killings on planet earth since we are living so close to each other except for Muhammad ibn Abdullah and his devout followers. Look at the Middle East countries and the world now and there's no way that you can deny the fact that Islam is the religion of power struggles, killings, torments, wars and unrest all over the world.

  77. Oh, my dear sweet sister Ria, thanks for your compliments. :*
    Yes, I do admit the fact that I'm a smart and loving Christian lady who always defend myself here because by the grace of my loving God, He has kindly bless me with a super high IQ, which is good enough to help me in every difficult and awkward situations. Thanks again for enjoying my unique style and boldness here. It's a pleasure to have your compliments as an encouragement to improve myself here. I almost wanted to fall off my chair when I read your last question to me! Do you really think that I'm able to make a super seious man like Dr Ali Sina to be jealous? Frankly, it's a fact that when I'm ovulating, I realized that my world is getting more loving and romantic because I think that it's my body's natural reaction to the opposite sex during this period. xD

  78. Hi JSOP, the Bible remains the same over the years but it was your Quran that changes over the years. Have you heard of abrogation? If Muhammad doesn't like certain verses in the Quran, he has the power to replace it with another verse he likes because Muhammad was allah and allah was Muhammad.

  79. Oh, my dear Mormon friend, John K, do you think that I enjoy being the 'bad' character in your Mormon world? When will you ever come to your senses and know that I truly love and care for you when I share the truth with you that you are a victim of lies.

  80. Alright, Mormon John K, I'm glad that you used Dr Ali Sina as your trump card now to stop me here from telling the blatant truth while you can comfortably continue to taking sides with the father of lies and continue to believe in all of Joseph Smith's rosy lies for the rest of your earthly life and died and enter into eternity with regrets that you've not heed my good advice and ended up in the same abode as Joseph Smith and his father of lies!

  81. Oh, my dear Mormon John K, I just simply can't resist to tell you the truth here about the horrible lies concorted by that dead false prophet, Joseph Smith because I serve the Author of the Golden Rule and as you know, I'm also a very Good Samaritan here and because of the fact that you are my friend and neighbour, that's why I always keep my promise to love you more than all kinds of stupid misunderstanding I faced by helping you to swim to the safe shore of Truth. B)

  82. I was talking about the changes in the bible over the years was not talking about the Quran

    -JSOP

  83. ''Like putting a Jew hating Muslim in the Jewish army )''"

    ''At least you admit Muslims hate Jews. What happened to your position that Jews, Christians and Muslims are all together? ''

    I clearly said a Jew hating Muslim
    Where did I say Jews were less or all Muslims hated Jews ?

    No need to lie John

    Again you avoided my question if you treat me like this do you treat other Muslims in the Army with the same treatment
    (simple question just curious that is all )

    A Muslim in your Army would say similar things to what I am saying

    This is not the American way of treating others do not let a few extremist Muslims cloud your views on all of them

    ''He is known for defending Western Civilization against Islam. ''

    Watched by many people as an extremist all around the world

    Hitler was also a fan of many other things also but another poster proofed that Hitler did not get his hatred for Jews from Islam

    ''How many times do we have to tell you that we are not interested in talking about Muslims here. We are interested in talking about Islam''

    You say this but then go on to say there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim,all are violent people, only violent people become Muslims, potential terroris,t trying to take over the world and other comments directed towards Muslims

    -JSOP

  84. Most comments contradict this as most Muslims are degraded

    Read the difference between extremist, normal and the different sects and also the rules of War

    Muslims and the West should not be waging war and killing each other (this is not religion this is but a power struggle )

    -JSOP

  85. I was taking to Grace not you John K read your own comments and judge yourself before someone you do not know

    Most respect Muslims and Islam

    The world would not allow another persecution of an entire religion

    -JSOP

  86. ''Tell me that you are proud to be associated with a religion that teaches this behavior: ''

    Watch this video

    [youtube GtQHir1WDgo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQHir1WDgo&feature=related youtube]

  87. ''You probably live comfortably in the UK enjoying all the benefits that the non-Muslim Western Civilization has achieved for you''

    You do not know this for a fact as you do not even know me at all to take that as a fact
    (jumping to conclusion without any facts to back up your claim)

    Linking a sum of articles does not prove Islam is Evil they are extremist committing those acts not everyday Muslims

    (These acts are all contradicting Islam )

    watch the video I linked on Muslims using Islam to justify murder of innocents and how is contradicts Islam (very good video)

    Missing my entire point and you can not distinguish between an extremist Muslims hurting innocents and a normal everyday Muslim just going about there normal lives hurting no one at all

    Each one of your commits shows you attitude towards Islam and Muslims

    I was not bullying you John, did I not say to grace to respect all faiths and walks of life? (including yours )

    Even if I may disagree with your views does not mean I would blame all Christians and Mormons for those views you have. As if anyone does not like me or my views do not take that out on all Muslims and Islam.

    No need for all the hatred on Islam yes there are some that commit crimes in Islam's name but they do not make up the every normal day Muslims as they are the black sheep nothing more

    Clear the hatred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UhVcpm4kQ4&fe

    You say I claim to be superior (never said I was)
    but in the same post you say you are smarter then I was this is a contradiction.

    Never think that you have reached the final stage of knowledge and nobody knows more than yourself. Remember! Above everyone endowed with knowledge is another endowed with more knowledge [12/76]. Even the Prophet [p.b.u.h] was asked to keep praying, "O My sustainer! Advance me in knowledge." [20:114]

    Do not let your ego run wild be respectful to others

    When I said the comment that God judges all I mean everyone for all the Good and bad

    Never said it was only towards you as I clearly said all. (all does not = only John K)

    -JSOP

  88. That's what kids call "too much information"!

  89. I understand Ria. Please don't take it as anger. I know the internet has the disadvantage that you can't read the tone and intent as well as talking in person. I really meant it just in the tone of sharing.

    By the way, you are replying to a comment that I made to Grace. You are a recent comer, so you missed out on some back story where her badgering me got so bad that Ali Sina stepped in about it, and she promised to stop.

  90. Information overload.

  91. John!!

    I did not say to make you angry. Just as a good neighbor out of concern. Nothing to make you go off the wall. Saying that I will give this topic a rest because we are no here to discuss that.

    I truly believe is God looks at the heart, not the church you or I go to.I am a Baptist and I have met unsaved Baptist. So it is not the church, it is God who saves.

    Peace Bro
    Ria

  92. I am not going to defend Grace anymore because she is a smart and loving Christian Lady and she can defend her self.

    Carry on sista, I really enjoy your style and boldness.

    //Oh, Ria, I think that I'm ovulating now, that's the reason why everything I do is getting romantic… xD //

    Are you trying to make Dr Sina Jealous :D !!!

  93. Blah, blah, blah. More of the same baseless comments. I'm through with you JSOP. Find someone else to unload your sick, distorted thoughts on.

  94. One day's new feed wouldn't fit in the comment box, so here's the second half:

    Egypt's Expert Marksmen Take Out the Eyes of Protesters…

    Saudi Sex Cops Not Amused by Prank…

    Explosives Thrown into Nigerian Bar…

    Islamic University Professor Tortured 10-Year-Old Boy…

    'Paralyzed' Benefits Recipient Dances at Wedding…

    Giant Baby 'Jihad' Born in Germany…

    Nanny Recovering from Scalding by Gaddafi Family…

    Morocco Islamists Poised for Election Win…

    Maldives: No Debate on Flogging Fornicating Women…

    Care Assistant Abuses 99-Year-Old Woman Pleading for Help…

    Woman Blinded by Acid Attack Cheated Out of Compensation…

    Australians Unknowingly Fed Halal Meat…

    Former Pak. Minister Attacked with Iron Rods in Britain…

    Brotherhood Rally: 'One Day We Will Kill All Jews'…

    Advertisers Drop 'All-American Muslim' Propaganda…

    (Pakistan) 'Anti-Peace Jihadis' Try to Sabotage Talks with India

    'Sharia Favors the Rich'…

    Wife Murders, Then Tries to Cook Husband…

    Two More Female Journalists Sexually Assaulted at Tahrir…

    Fear of Islamists Keeps Somali Famine Victims from Returning…

    Former CAIR Director Led 'Nuke Israel' Rally…

    Trinidad Muslims Whine After Assassination Plot Exposed…

    Father of the Bride the Chief Suspect in Her Murder…

    Woman Tortured, Gang-Raped and Paraded Naked…

    Jihad du Jour: Grenade Attack on Kenyan Hotel…

    Children of Christian Convert Murdered as Punishment…

    Terrorists Found at Mosque – Muslims Angry at Police…

    (NY) 73-Year-Old Sunday School Teacher Strangled…

    Christian Activist Murdered by 'Muslim Mafia'…

    Sisters Behead Brother for Molesting Them…

    Turkey Apologizes 80 Years Later for Massacre of Kurds…

    British Couple 'Honor Killed' While in Pakistan…

    Devout Muslim Fears Being Sent Back to Saudi after Bender…

    Lawyers Barred from Repre-senting Arrested Pastor…

    Shia Political Activists Systema-tically Tortured in Sunni Bahrain

    Filmmaker Highlights Hymen in 'Virginity' Documentary…

    Rare Solidarity as Algerians Rally for Religious Freedom…

    Tahrir Square Dismay Over Bud-ding Military-Islamist Alliance…

    Syria Elected to UN Human Rights Committee (Death Toll at 3500)…

    Quran Teacher Jailed for Kicking Boys During Lessons…

    (Detroit) Male Nurse Fired for Treating Muslim Women…

    13-Year-Old Jewish Schoolgirl Beaten by Muslim Classmates…

    Man Stabs Childless Wife…

    Victim Forced to Marry Rapist – or Serve 12-Years in Jail…

    Iran: Allah Protects Our Nukes…

    Israeli Baby Was Killed to Avenge Mosque Arson…

    Butterball Yet to Respond to Halal Turkey Accusation…

    Obedient Wives Club Opens London Branch…

    Syria Murders 28 Activists in a Single Day…

    Covert Attempt to Convert Chris-tian Pre-Schoolers in Malaysia

    'Radicals' Hope to Turn Ethiopia into Next Islamist State…

    Sham Marriage Extravaganza in the UK…

  95. You probably live comfortably in the UK enjoying all the benefits that the non-Muslim Western Civilization has achieved for you. But when you work with Muslim savagery on a daily basis, you get a different picture. Look at just one day's news feed and tell me this is not savage and barbaric. Tell me that you are proud to be associated with a religion that teaches this behavior:

    Egypt's Expert Marksmen Take Out the Eyes of Protesters…

    Saudi Sex Cops Not Amused by Prank…

    Explosives Thrown into Nigerian Bar…

    Islamic University Professor Tortured 10-Year-Old Boy…

    'Paralyzed' Benefits Recipient Dances at Wedding…

    Giant Baby 'Jihad' Born in Germany…

    Nanny Recovering from Scalding by Gaddafi Family…

    Morocco Islamists Poised for Election Win…

    Maldives: No Debate on Flogging Fornicating Women…

    Care Assistant Abuses 99-Year-Old Woman Pleading for Help…

    Woman Blinded by Acid Attack Cheated Out of Compensation…

    Australians Unknowingly Fed Halal Meat…

    Former Pak. Minister Attacked with Iron Rods in Britain…

    Brotherhood Rally: 'One Day We Will Kill All Jews'…

    Advertisers Drop 'All-American Muslim' Propaganda…

    (Pakistan) 'Anti-Peace Jihadis' Try to Sabotage Talks with India

    'Sharia Favors the Rich'…

    Wife Murders, Then Tries to Cook Husband…

    Two More Female Journalists Sexually Assaulted at Tahrir…

    Fear of Islamists Keeps Somali Famine Victims from Returning…

    Former CAIR Director Led 'Nuke Israel' Rally…

    Trinidad Muslims Whine After Assassination Plot Exposed…

    Father of the Bride the Chief Suspect in Her Murder…

    Woman Tortured, Gang-Raped and Paraded Naked…

    Jihad du Jour: Grenade Attack on Kenyan Hotel…

    Children of Christian Convert Murdered as Punishment…

    Terrorists Found at Mosque – Muslims Angry at Police…

    (NY) 73-Year-Old Sunday School Teacher Strangled…

    Christian Activist Murdered by 'Muslim Mafia'…

    Sisters Behead Brother for Molesting Them…

    Turkey Apologizes 80 Years Later for Massacre of Kurds…

    British Couple 'Honor Killed' While in Pakistan…

    Devout Muslim Fears Being Sent Back to Saudi after Bender…

    Lawyers Barred from Repre-senting Arrested Pastor…

    Shia Political Activists Systema-tically Tortured in Sunni Bahrain

    Filmmaker Highlights Hymen in 'Virginity' Documentary…

    Rare Solidarity as Algerians Rally for Religious Freedom…

    Tahrir Square Dismay Over Bud-ding Military-Islamist Alliance…

    Syria Elected to UN Human Rights Committee (Death Toll at 3500)…

    Quran Teacher Jailed for Kicking Boys During Lessons…

    (Detroit) Male Nurse Fired for Treating Muslim Women…

    13-Year-Old Jewish Schoolgirl Beaten by Muslim Classmates…

    Man Stabs Childless Wife…

    Victim Forced to Marry Rapist – or Serve 12-Years in Jail…

    Iran: Allah Protects Our Nukes…

    Israeli Baby Was Killed to Avenge Mosque Arson…

    Butterball Yet to Respond to Halal Turkey Accusation…

    Obedient Wives Club Opens London Branch…

    Syria Murders 28 Activists in a Single Day…

    Covert Attempt to Convert Chris-tian Pre-Schoolers in Malaysia

    'Radicals' Hope to Turn Ethiopia into Next Islamist State…

    Sham Marriage Extravaganza in the UK…

  96. "Calling me terrorist (though I shun violence and have said what they are doing is wrong )"

    Not paying attention again, are you?

    "A liar even though you are the one making false comments"

    You haven't found one yet.

    "If you think I am lying and spreading Propaganda (which I am not) then fine if you do not believe me then all readers go out and study and learn and realise that there are many Muslims who are suffering in the world also (they are also humans)"

    Mostly suffering at the hands of their fellow Muslims.

    "Learn that:"

    I don't generally take education from people of lower education.

    "Many people of all religions and races are not for war"

    What is that supposed to mean? It is irrelevant to our discussion.

    "Most Muslims are not Extremist"

    But all extemists take their authority from the Quran and Sunna.

    "Most Christians and Jews are not Extremist"

    Who is disputing that?

    "Muslims should be calling themselves Muslims rather then killing each other for pointless reasons"

    Muslims should understand that Islam is the root cause of the killing.

    "Many people of all faith are speaking what I am also saying"

    Argumentum ad populum, though I haven't disagreed with everything you are saying.

    "At the end of the day what you are calling me are just names that does not make them true"

    Good words to describe what you say about me.

    "Respect your fellow man"

    And you think I am not? Who died and made you God to judge me?

    "I was pointing out you say you are Christian yet you hate Muslims"

    Fact not accepted.

    "and call them savage"

    I'll post today's headlines in the next comment. Tell me they are not barbarian savages. What would you call yourself or a family member who behaved in the same way? An angel?

    "you say you are following the teaching but you are following them with your mouth but denying them with your actions"

    Which action would that be? Accusing me of hate doesn't count.

    "Also I never threaten any violence like you and others did"

    No, but you are terrorizing and bullying with your Muslim supremacist attitude.

    "Why would you all have to lie about Islam and try so hard if what you were saying was true"

    Because it is true. You haven't read the Challenge yet, nor have you read Dr. Sina's book, nor have ANY of your comments addressed facts. Everything you write is purely character assassination and worthless personal opinion. I won't be wasting much time on your comments.

    "Allah (God) will judge all in the End for all the Good and Evil deeds that they commit"

    Fallacy of argumentum ad baculum. And again showing your Muslim air of superiority by implying that I have done something evil while you are only doing good.

  97. You just can't resist or keep a promise, can you?

  98. "Calling for countries to be invaded and Muslim rights violated is that not violating international law and is in fact a form of terrorism?"

    Depends what the country did. Was the US wrong to invade Japan? Was the US wrong to invade Germany? Do you have another specific case in mind?

    "Again calling me a terrorist even though I shun violence and have stated that the extremist are wrong and are contradicting the Quran and Islam all together."

    You are a terrorist and a terrorizer with the Muslim supremacy you bring to this site and your abusive comments and insults to the people here.

    "Do not state lies Mr John K and say I am a terrorist or that a Muslim for being a Muslim is going to burn in Hell"

    Not what I said. Can't you win an argument without changing people's words?

    "So much hate is this not conditioning your bible (Muslims do read the Bible also you know )"

    Your opinion about my emotions is meaningless. I am me, you are not. You are 100% clueless about my emotional state, which is also the status of the rest of your uninformed comments. Clueless.

    "Watch this video this sums up most on this website: From a Christian US Army man"

    Top quality scholarship. I'll be waiting to see his article in a peer-reviewed academic journal.

    "How can someone with this hate filled views be in the army, do you treat your fellow Muslim army men this way?"

    This question is a fallacy because it sets a presumption that is not true. You cannot have a debate or a conversation with someone when you have not agreed on basic facts. If you want to debate Islam, we have a common ground in the Quran and Sunna. But you have started this statement with a falsehood by presuming that I have hate-filled views. Therefore your argument is invalid because you have started from a false assumption.

    You have continued your statement with a second fallacy by conflating my arguments with Islam with my treatment of fellow Muslims in the military. Again you twist the argument by substituting one thing for another and starting your argument with a false presumption.

    "Are you not a danger to all Muslims in the US and the Army with the comments which you have said and the views you have towards all Muslims in general?"

    You don't seem to have any variety in your rhetorical style because you are committing the same logical fallacies in all of your arguments. Once again you are conflating Muslims with Islam.

    " (Like putting a Jew hating Muslim in the Jewish army )"

    At least you admit Muslims hate Jews. What happened to your position that Jews, Christians and Muslims are all together?

    "Again Geert is inciting hatred for all Muslims for being Muslims and many Muslims and none Muslims know this. He was lucky he didn't end up in prison for the hatred he spews about Muslims"

    I am not going to continue to discuss anything with you because you are a broken record hung up on hatred. You have bought into a bucket of paint that only paints the word "hate" wherever you apply your brush. This is not a productive way to discuss anything. If you cannot confine yourself to discussing issues and stop your defamation, derogation, and insults, I will no longer read your posts.

    "(Hitler number 2 on a Muslim Scale )"

    Hitler was a great fan of Islam. He maintained the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in Berlin with a salary double what he paid his generals.

    "He is also regarded as a extremist in the US eyes also and in known for his open bias towards Muslims"

    He is known for defending Western Civilization against Islam.

    "The extremist Muslims (1%) do not represent the 99% normal Muslims"

    How many times do we have to tell you that we are not interested in talking about Muslims here. We are interested in talking about Islam. If you can't stay on topic, people are not going to talk to you.

    "Every sane person knows this"

    Fallacies of argumentum ad verecundiam and argumentum ad populum.

  99. Give it a rest Mrs Agracean and respect other religions and other ways not of yours

    -JSOP

  100. ''Dear JSOP, for goodness sake, everybody here knew that I've always respect other religions except all kinds of stupid lies concorted by false prophets and cult leaders who used it to manipulate gullible braindead human beings.''

    This is not respecting those religions you are saying there religion is false and they are cultist this comment contradicts itself and you have no right to pass judgement on an entire religion /religions

    You all say you do not hate Muslims but all your comments and the way you treat them is contradicting this comment

    ''You are a liar just like Muhammad bin Abdullah by saying that Islam is not an evil religion''

    Great back to calling me a liar and Islam is Evil.

    Remember you are not God just because you believe this doesn't make it true

    The truth is that Islam is a religion of lies which that prideful Muhammad had set up, so as to elevate his name on planet earth. Read the Quran again and you'll discover Muhammad was a copycat. He copied from the Torah and the Bible and proclaimed to his empire that only his Quran is incorruptible. What a stupid joke you guys can believe in!''

    This comment contradicts your claim of respecting other faiths

    Again you do not know this to be fact and is just more Islam, Muhammad (PBUH) is evil because I said so none scene

    -JSOP

  101. ''Islam will cease to exist and there'll be peace on earth.''

    Look around at the world Islam is not the problem it is extremist of each walk of life.

    -JSOP

  102. ''Come on, braindead JSOP! Muhammad ibn Abdullah will surely slap your face and backside when you reach allah's paradise, for saying that there's difference between Muslims and Extremist Muslims.''

    I am not braindead funny as most other faiths and many races of people know there is a difference between the two as I have stated that they kill innocents ect

    Why taint an innocent Muslim with a deed of a extremist who committed a crime

    Educate yourself on other religions and people

    Watch:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdhBw9-ggAI&NR

    -JSOP

  103. Mr JSOP, it's because of love for our dear Mormon John K that I exposed some of the horrible lies of Joseph Smith and Mormonism here and hope that he will regain his good sense soon. It applies to you too. Islam is a lie and you need to come out of this cult and live a brand new life which only Jesus Christ can give you.

  104. ''Who is suffering because of it? What kind of statement is this? More propaganda from the intellectually bankrupt JSOP. ''

    Is this all you are capable of doing?
    Calling me terrorist (though I shun violence and have said what they are doing is wrong )
    A liar even though you are the one making false comments
    Say I am intellectuality bankrupt and you are better then and know more then I do (self proclaiming you have more knowledge with out showing it)

    Say I think I am superior even though you are guilty in all your comments at what you accuse me are doing.

    Many Muslims Suffer every say I know you and others who call them savages and less then human do not care but many do

    ''propaganda. ''

    If you think I am lying and spreading Propaganda (which I am not) then fine if you do not believe me then all readers go out and study and learn and realise that there are many Muslims who are suffering in the world also (they are also humans)

    Learn that:
    Many people of all religions and races are not for war
    Most Muslims are not Extremist
    Most Christians and Jews are not Extremist
    Muslims should be calling themselves Muslims rather then killing each other for pointless reasons
    Many people of all faith are speaking what I am also saying

    At the end of the day what you are calling me are just names that does not make them true

    Respect your fellow man

    I was pointing out you say you are Christian yet you hate Muslims and call them savage you say you are following the teaching but you are following them with your mouth but denying them with your actions

    That is all (Never said you were going to burn hell because you are a terrorist like you said I was )

    Also I never threaten any violence like you and others did

    Why would you all have to lie about Islam and try so hard if what you were saying was true ?

    Allah (God) will judge all in the End for all the Good and Evil deeds that they commit,

    -JSOP

  105. Dear JSOP, for goodness sake, everybody here knew that I've always respect other religions except all kinds of stupid lies concorted by false prophets and cult leaders who used it to manipulate gullible braindead human beings. I can't stand watching all my neighbours being fooled by rogues and crooks because of the Golden Rule. That's why I can't respect lies and deceptions.

    You are a liar just like Muhammad bin Abdullah by saying that Islam is not an evil religion. How can you expect me to behave like you and compromise the truth? The truth is that Islam is a religion of lies which that prideful Muhammad had set up, so as to elevate his name on planet earth. Read the Quran again and you'll discover Muhammad was a copycat. He copied from the Torah and the Bible and proclaimed to his empire that only his Quran is incorruptible. What a stupid joke you guys can believe in!

  106. Hi JSOP, nobody hates Muslims here but everybody hates Muhammad ibn Abdullah, the insane bloodthirsty false prophet and cheat who deceived so many gullible human beings on planet earth to follow his insanity and madness. Do you know a Muslim by the name of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is also the current president of Iran in your life at all? Please learn what Islam is all about from him before opening your mouth.

  107. Mr JSOP, please repeat all your above comments to Muhammad ibn Abdullah and I'm pretty sure that if he heed your above golden advice to always speak the truth, then, Islam will cease to exist and there'll be peace on earth.

  108. Come on, braindead JSOP! Muhammad ibn Abdullah will surely slap your face and backside when you reach allah's paradise, for saying that there's difference between Muslims and Extremist Muslims.

  109. Hating a Muslim for being a Muslim is conditioning all faiths

    Do you even know or meet any Muslims in your life at all ?

    Learn what Islam is before opening your Mouth

    ''Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]''

    JSOP

  110. Learn to respect other religions and there views and realise how similar Muslims, Christians and Jews are rather then trying to say only one is right and the other is evil (All are correct)

    You treat the Mormon this way also even though I do not agree with his views or what he says about me and Islam and the terrorist remarks that does not mean I would dishonour his religion and the Mormon needs to learn this also

    All are apart of mankind and we have no right to judge who is going to Hell ect as that is up to God to decide

    -JSOP

  111. "Hundreds of thousands of people in wars on the hands of the ''liberators'' "

    No specifics? That's just Muslim propaganda if you can't substantiate your claims. This is your usual pattern of presenting your personal opinions instead of facts for arguments. You are intellectually bankrupt.

    "So because 1 % of Muslims commit terrorism all innocent Muslims have to suffer because of it ?"

    Who is suffering because of it? What kind of statement is this? More propaganda from the intellectually bankrupt JSOP.

    "That is not logic that is blaming an innocent for a crime they did not commit again you are wrong "

    Who is blaming an innocent for a crime? You are circular in your thinking.

    "Since 9/11 the paranoia of Islam has been on over drive"

    Define paranoia. This is just your posturing and propaganda.

    "One comment that you know all of the knowledge on Muslims and it wouldn't matter how long you studied you will never know more then what you know"

    Not my words. You are sloppy again.

    "Also comments such as saying you have a ''degree'' and accuse others as being illiterate and constant put downs of that sort direct towards them and the countries you assume they are from when they disagree with you"

    Your typical amateur disrespect for professionals. Would you treat your brain surgeon like this before your operation?

    "What else are these comments but baseless hatred and extremist behaviour?

    This is your opinion. Everyone has an opinion. Opinions are worthless.

    "Again it is common Knowledge that the Muslim God is the same as the Jews and Christian"

    Not much of a historian, are you?

    "Again only Evangelist Christian and Extremist Christians believe the Muslims come from the devil as you are but the black sheep extremist of the Christian faith"

    So why are you talking to me about their beliefs? I think Ria has pretty clearly told you that she loves the sinner and hates the sin. That is not the same as Muslims come from the devil. This is just more of your propaganda, sweeping generalizations, and worthless personal opinion.

    "Read about Muslims not from radical Muslim hating Cranks and try and get to know Muslims rather then Abusing there Religion, there God (same as Christians and Jews ) and the Muslims themselves"

    I read the Quran and Sunna the same as you. This quote from Raymond Ibriham is appropriate:

    "the time for sophistry, apologetics, euphemisms, and projections is past. We live in an age where the historic, doctrinal, and contemporary facts of Islam are increasingly exposed for the world to see, in part thanks to the Internet and satellite, which defy censorship. Operating according to this fact — that is, respecting people’s intelligence — is the first step to meaningful dialogue."

    "You claim to follow the bible but your comment show you are not"

    You complain about acting like God, and then proceed to do the same yourself. More of the same of your superior airs, self-righteousness, and judgemental attitude. You are starting to sound like a broken record with all the same old tired phrases and tactics.

  112. Realise the difference between Muslims and Extremist Muslims

    -JSOP

  113. Was in a hurry with the comment I was meaning pray

    Anyway you know what I was saying

    -JSOP

  114. ''Call people to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation. Reason with them most decently [16/125] ''

    Only Allah (God) has the right to judge who will go to heaven or hell and he alone only has the right to pass judgement on Mankind.

    watch this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GtQHir1WD

    -JSOP

  115. ''Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious [22/30]''

    ''Avoid suspicion and guesswork. Suspicion and guesswork might deplete your communal energy [49/12]''

    ''When you hear something malicious about someone, keep a favorable view about him/her until you attain full knowledge about the matter. Consider others innocent until they are proven guilty with solid and truthful evidence [24/12-13]''

    -JSOP

  116. Hi JSOP, kindly stop babbling like a fish here. Go and get a copy of the Torah, Bible and also the Quran and be serious and find out for yourself the truth if Muhamamd was indeed speaking the truth or was he indeed a false prophet and a despicable liar. If you finally find out the truth that allah's last prophet was a thief and a liar indeed, I hope that you will send an email to Dr Ali Sina and tell him the truth and I believe that he will advise you how to come out of this horrible nightmare. :)

  117. Wrong again, JSOP! Your allah is not the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub but Muhammad's moon god. So, how in the world can you say that the Jews and Christians pray to your moon god, allah? Please make up your mind and seriously read and study the Quran and all about Islam and come to the realization that Muhammad's new religion which was found in the 7th century is the world's greatest deadly cult and the Quran is just a pack of man made lies concorted by allah's last prophet!

  118. Hi JSOP, I learnt Arabic and I've seriously read and study the Quran, all the Hadiths and Sirats and I realized that Muhammad was an insane horrible false prophet and a despicable liar and the Quran is a book full of horrible lies and deceptions to deceive gullible braindead human beings like you to join this horrible cult.

  119. Not based on fact but based on the "prey-prey" theory n is always looking for easy victims.

  120. Dear JSOP, your allah is Muhammad's moon god and not the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub. Period.

  121. U cannot differentiate between "pray" n "prey". What kind of logic u have ??? U should learn more from Ali Sina to know more.

  122. Not based on fact but based on a ''theory'' nothing more

    -JSOP

  123. Never said it was good what the extremist were doing to the jews and Christians

    Muslims do not prey in Churches because they prey differently and are not Christians (as Jews are not Christians ) but they all prey to the same one God (Allah)

    Read about Islam and learn

    -JSOP

  124. Learn Arabic so you are not tricked

    -JSOP

  125. The one I linked is correct
    Killing innocents is a big no no and contradicts Islam and the rules of War

    -JSOP

  126. Dear Mormon John K, you said "and I can assure you that evidence tends to support the Book of Mormon and after 35 years of comparative studies and analysis, I have never found anything inconsistent with either the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or secular knowledge. You don't realize what you are missing out on."

    Strange! After 35 years of comparative studies and analysis, how can a scientist like you can't find any inconsistencies and contradictory teachings and beliefs in Mormonism when compared to Christianity? Is there any problem with your brain or eye sight? Maybe you should consult Dr Jesus Christ for a full body checkup, and get all the problems fixed.

    I'm really amazed by your care less attitude in ascertaining the absolute truth. Let me quote one good contradictions from Mormonism to prove to a dumb scientist like you that Joseph Smith was indeed a false prophet and he lied. Isn't it true that regarding your belief in God, the Mormons believe in a heavenly father who has a physical body?

  127. Goodness gracious, my dear Mormon John K! 35 long wasted years are not good enough to knock some commonsense into your dead Mormon head? Are you going to spend the rest of your earthly life hallucinating in this rosy cult which constantly makes you feel high with its deceptive manual?

    Wake up, Mormon John K! Stop being so gullible and naive and come and worship God in Spirit and in truth. Joseph Smith lied about God and Jesus and yet, you chose to defend all his lies and act cool. Why don't you follow Jesus and forget all about this dead false prophet, Joseph Smith?

    John 4;23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

  128. Oh, Ria, I think that I'm ovulating now, that's the reason why everything I do is getting romantic…xD

  129. Good grief Ria! Being a Mormon is the result of praying!

    And I've been doing it for 35 years and enjoying a wonderful life of joyful spiritual experiences as full as the communion in the Spirit that you enjoy in your relationship with God. So when people come along and tell me I am in wrong church or need to pray about it, it is really off the wall.

    The Book of Mormon is the only book on earth that comes with a promise if you pray about it:

    Moroni 10:3-5

    3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

    4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

    5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

    A Christian without the Book of Mormon is like a Jew without the New Testament. I say this with no derogation to the Jews, for I have many precious Jewish friends, but you understand what you have in the New Testament that they are lacking. In the wide range of degrees that I have, I have to square this not only spiritually with God, but also in its relations with science, philosophy, history, archaeology, anthropology, linguistics, and etc; and I can assure you that evidence tends to support the Book of Mormon and after 35 years of comparative studies and analysis, I have never found anything inconsistent with either the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or secular knowledge. You don't realize what you are missing out on.

  130. >Since u said Christians, Jews n Muslims are all people of the same God, the Muslims should have no problem praying in churhes n synagogues, coz they pray to the same God. Why then they destroy churches n synagogues n kill the Christians n the Jews ???? U can only cheat yrself with this circular logic.

  131. Yeah I think Walid is right in his analysis. In the west people always assumed antichrist will be European etc. Walid had an interesting point and my best Bible scholar Chuck Missler is good friend with Walid and has recanted his presupposition of the antichrist being from West.

  132. Hi Ria,please go though this site http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_66… , its very informative.

  133. To correct myself this it the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=q372PFvXl

    JSOP

  134. //If you are a Catholic he is the infallible and the voice of God on Earth
    He is not Babbling Miss Ria you just cannot come to agree with your bias views//
    If I want to understand Allah, Mohammed and Islam I go to Quran and Hadiths. Not to you. If you want to understand God in Bible, you go to Bible not to the Pope. He is not voice of God on Earth. Catholics are Christians except they are so gullible like Muslims they don't read the bible nither do they understand it. They rather take pope's word than God's word.

    //I could say the same as you were offended at those calling the Christian Jewish and Muslim God as the same.//

    I did not say I was offended by Muslim's who say the Christian Jewish and Muslim God as the same. I said I am offended by Christians preaching it so ignorantly. That means they do not know who their God is . But regardless, so what if I am offended, I get over it. They have the right to say whatever; you have the right to say whatever. Except as Grace said "White is White, Black is Black" But some people chose to see gray.

  135. I mean grow up JSOP, Only thing you say in all you post to every one is "Extremist this , Extremist that" No one is extremist here. I am giving you facts from Bible. I took my time to compare the character of God in Bible and Allah from Quran. And you are just exchanging in name calling. You think I am hateful. I am not hateful. Matter of fact I am not hateful to Muslims because I am a Christian. Because my God say, to love those who hates you, pray for your enemies, love your neighbor as yourself. And I know my heart better than you do. And if I say I have no hatred for anyone, I mean it. I am just stating facts from Quran and Bible.

  136. Gloafer. And what exactly is you basis of calling me baseless. I am not wrong or baseless. My base is from my Bible. So you can call the Bible wrong, not me.

  137. Carry on you two. You guys are funny. I don't want be tangaled in the sarcarms and love/hate exchanges b/t you two. :p

    But John to Grace's credit, she has a point, then would you look into it and pray about it ? Is that too much to ask to a wonderful virtual friend.

  138. ''Yes, many have understood the Quran and Muhammad. Those who do become jihadists, Taliban types, and etc. If you understood Muhammad and the Quran, you would not be a Muslim either. Unless you approve of the Taliban and their likes. ''

    Assumption again saying Muslims are terrorist when they understand the Quran and is a crime

    AQ and Taliban kill Muslims also you all seem to forget that and they kill innocents

    Are you not guilty of inciting hatred, violence, slander, Abuse of innocents, defamation of character and branding Muslims terrorist before Muslims commit any crimes what so ever.

    You and others on here are not above the law

    Either they are ignorant, illiterate or terrorist either of these insulting and not based on any facts simply because of Muslims being Muslims and then you accuse me of supporting these extremist even though I have stated over again they contradict Islam and I shun violence

    You have no Shame

    Again never said I was superior it is another failed analysis of me and other Muslims on your part.

    As I have stated you have claimed to be superior all read his posts and put downs of Muslims

    ''It's not necessary to know all Muslims. That's what sociological studies and polls are for. ''

    Are you not guilty of stereotyping an entire religion to be violent?

    Many Christians Jews and people from all over the world (including the USA) do not have your extremist views as you like the Extremist Muslims make up that small %

    -JSOP

  139. ''Give me the count of how many people have been harmed by extremists of non-Muslim religions. As of today, the body count of Muslim terrorism just since 9/11 is up to 18,054. ''

    Hundreds of thousands of people in wars on the hands of the ''liberators''

    So because 1 % of Muslims commit terrorism all innocent Muslims have to suffer because of it ?

    That is not logic that is blaming an innocent for a crime they did not commit again you are wrong

    Since 9/11 the paranoia of Islam has been on over drive

    ''u have no basis for accusing Ria of hatred other than your bias and Muslim supremacism.''

    Making comments that Islam is from the devil all Muslim men are woman abuses and terrorist saying they live by the sword they should die by it (even though Muslims are peaceful)

    Never claimed I was better.

    You and others have.

    One comment that you know all of the knowledge on Muslims and it wouldn't matter how long you studied you will never know more then what you know

    Also comments such as saying you have a ''degree'' and accuse others as being illiterate and constant put downs of that sort direct towards them and the countries you assume they are from when they disagree with you

    What else are these comments but baseless hatred and extremist behaviour?

    Again it is common Knowledge that the Muslim God is the same as the Jews and Christian

    Again only Evangelist Christian and Extremist Christians believe the Muslims come from the devil as you are but the black sheep extremist of the Christian faith

    This post shows the views of the above I listed as you believe Muslims come from the devil

    This is what I think when someone says the ridiculous claim that Muslims and Islam are from the devil
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV9AQ4ncuac

    Read about Muslims not from radical Muslim hating Cranks and try and get to know Muslims rather then Abusing there Religion, there God (same as Christians and Jews ) and the Muslims themselves

    You claim to follow the bible but your comment show you are not

    JSOP

  140. ''Your behavior towards me has been like a terrorist. I have had a more civil conversation with a high-level Taliban official. ''

    Calling for countries to be invaded and Muslim rights violated is that not violating international law and is in fact a form of terrorism?

    Again calling me a terrorist even though I shun violence and have stated that the extremist are wrong and are contradicting the Quran and Islam all together. Do not state lies Mr John K and say I am a terrorist or that a Muslim for being a Muslim is going to burn in Hell

    So much hate is this not conditioning your bible (Muslims do read the Bible also you know )

    You all should read all the comments what John K has said to other Muslims and Myself

    Watch this video this sums up most on this website: From a Christian US Army man
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USc1P1_Z_LM&fe

    How can someone with this hate filled views be in the army, do you treat your fellow Muslim army men this way? (asked this in another post but you did not answer this question)

    Are you not a danger to all Muslims in the US and the Army with the comments which you have said and the views you have towards all Muslims in general? (Like putting a Jew hating Muslim in the Jewish army )

    Again Geert is inciting hatred for all Muslims for being Muslims and many Muslims and none Muslims know this
    He was lucky he didn't end up in prison for the hatred he spews about Muslims (Hitler number 2 on a Muslim Scale )

    He is also regarded as a extremist in the US eyes also and in known for his open bias towards Muslims

    You have a basless hatred for Muslim immigrants

    Watch all News John

    The extremist Muslims (1%) do not represent the 99% normal Muslims

    Every sane person knows this

    -JSOP

  141. Do not forget muhammed repeated those myths as well. So why Allah have the stories made up by the priests and scribes in the "uncorruptible" koran?

  142. And WWJS and WWJD (J= John K)

  143. Do the kiss always have to be romantic Gracey ? ;)

  144. "Many have read and understand the Quran who Muhammad ( peace be upon him) was and what he did you are assuming all Muslims do not"

    That is an assumption you are putting in her mouth. It is your same old tired tactic of diverting attention and attacking your opponent by saying something derogatory and setting up a straw man to attack in order to make yourself look superior and your opponent look inferior instead of dealing with the issue.

    Yes, many have understood the Quran and Muhammad. Those who do become jihadists, Taliban types, and etc. If you understood Muhammad and the Quran, you would not be a Muslim either. Unless you approve of the Taliban and their likes.

    "You do not know all of the Muslims to make this static"

    It's not necessary to know all Muslims. That's what sociological studies and polls are for.

    "If you are a Catholic he is the infallible and the voice of God on Earth
    He is not Babbling Miss Ria you just cannot come to agree with your bias views"

    You are not speaking to any Catholics here, so why do you seek to impose the Pope's statements on us? Furthermore you show your usual characteristic of having a weak understanding of a concept before you speak. Yet you still make your statements with an air of superiority:

    "Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state either that the Pope cannot sin in his own personal life or that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

    "As this fact is common knowledge as most Muslims Jewish and Christians believe this."

    This is the fallacy of argumentum ad populum.

    "Only the extremist Muslim haters of other faiths do not believe this as they try and use this excuse to say Muslims come from the devil ect"

    And more argumentum ad hominem.

  145. "All Muslims Jews and Christians are the people of God"

    Quran 3:110 – You (Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.

    Quran 98:6 – Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

    Who are we supposed to believe? The Quran or Muslim number 784,232, JSOP?

    "Extremist of all religions constantly trying to find an excuse to harm others"

    Give me the count of how many people have been harmed by extremists of non-Muslim religions. As of today, the body count of Muslim terrorism just since 9/11 is up to 18,054.

    "look how close the religions are and you will truly see what I am talking about"

    Compare the religions:

    Christianity:

    1 John 4:8

    God is love.

    Islam:

    Quran 48:29

    Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

    "Your baseless hatred is clouding your knowledge and is uncalled for and your Hatred for Muslims and those who are different"

    Again, saying it does not make it so. You have no basis for accusing Ria of hatred other than your bias and Muslim supremacism. Calling her hateful is an ad hominem fallacy. It also reflects a judgemental and self-righteous attitude on your part.

    "is contradicting your Bible"

    Again, the logic of this argument is dependent on your unsubstantiated claim that Ria is hateful. She has stated elsewhere to you that she follows the Bible teaching of loving the sinner and hating the sin, and that consequently she loves Muslims and hates Islam. You conveniently overlook and omit what you have already been told because it does not support the narrative of your point of view and your logical fallacies.

    "Did you know that Arabic-speaking Eastern Catholic Christians, Maltese Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Mizrahi Jews and Sikhs use the term Allah for God in the East? … Allah means God"

    That's not what it meant in Muhammad's context. The main god of the Arabians at that time was Hubal. The Arabs referred to him not by his name, but by his title, "the god", al lah in Arabic. The statue of Hubal was bought by the Quraysh from a Syrian named Khuzaymah ibn Mudrikah. Hubal was the moon god of the Moabites, mentioned in the Bible as Baal. In Hebrew Ha Baal means the Baal. The right hand of the statue was broken and replaced by a golden arm. The Quraysh believed that Ka'ba is a special place for Hubal only. Worship of the moon was important for pastoral societies, just as worship of the sun was for farmers. Allah's wife was Lilith, and they had three daughters: Allat (War Goddess), al-'Uzza (Sacrifice Goddess) and al Manat (Fate Goddess). Allat portrayed as the moon, Uzza as the planet Venus and al Manat as the star Sirius.

    The Satanic verses episode came up when Muhammad was negotiating with the pagans to get them to accept Islam. He thought it would help to gain their acceptance of Islam if he compromised and agreed to accept Allah's daughters as intercessors. At first this pleased the pagans and they felt better about Muhammad. But Muhammad thought better of it and declared that the verses were Satanic, and that it was shirk to associate companions with Allah, and more especially, daughters when men had sons.

    Muhammad also took advantage of the fact that Arab Jews and Christians also called the God of the Bible Allah, and he changed the direction of prayer to Jerusalem to gain their favor. When he realized they were not convinced, he changed the prayer direction back to the Kaaba.

    While Christian and Jewish Arabs continue to use the term Allah, theologically Allah of Islam is not at all like YHWH (Jehovah/Jesus Christ) or Elohim (Our Father, which art in Heaven) of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Attributes that Islam ascribes to Allah are in common with what the Bible says about Satan, and things that Islam says about the Mahdi or 12th Imam are in line with what the Bible says about the Anti-Christ.

  146. "Read your comments directed towards Islam, Muslims and Myself"

    This is a non-answer which is a characteristic of your writings. You generalize without dealing with issues.

    "(calling me a terrorist even though I shun violence)"

    Your behavior towards me has been like a terrorist. I have had a more civil conversation with a high-level Taliban official.

    "All of your constant hatred"

    This is another non-answer. Just because you call it hatred does not make it so. Get a logic book and read the definition of ad hominem fallacies. This is the constant theme of your posts. Since you are too weak to discuss issues, you hide behind personal attacks. This is also a manifestation of your Muslim supremacist attitude. The Quran is full of Muhammad's Narcissistic Personality Order (NPD) from front to back. Being being immersed in this culture, you have the same air of superiority and condescension towards others. This is also evident in all of your posts.

    "also to Muslim countries,(calling them all savage)"

    What's wrong? Can't you get al-Jazeera News in your home? There are plenty of other networks which also provide adequate coverage of Muslim barbarity. You have no excuse for your defense of it.

    "immigrants"

    America is a nation of immigrants. I am a 4th generation descendant of immigrants. So obviously there is something defective in your thinking.

    "and praising of radicals trying to take away Muslims rights (Geert Wilders)"

    Geert is trying to prevent Muslims from taking away the rights of the Dutch. Immigrants should take on the host culture, not impose their foreign culture on their hosts. Again you are engaging in the fallacy of presuming that because you say something, it must be true. Again, your posts are full of this style, so I don't find anything valid in your writings.

  147. All Muslims Jews and Christians are the people of God it is not hard to understand if you read the Quran Bible Torah and all sect Hadith

    Extremist of all religions constantly trying to find an excuse to harm others look how close the religions are and you will truly see what I am talking about

    Your baseless hatred is clouding your knowledge and is uncalled for
    and your Hatred for Muslims and those who are different is contradicting your Bible

    As I have said in my last post the words of God (Allah) are not corruptible but the scribes can be as many things were changed from the Bible but that is a entirely different subject

    Did you know that Arabic-speaking Eastern Catholic Christians, Maltese Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Mizrahi Jews and Sikhs use the term Allah for God in the East?

    Allah means God

    -JSOP

  148. ''How come they understand more than I do if they have never read Quran, and don't even know who Mohammed was and what he did. ''

    Many have read and understand the Quran who Muhammad ( peace be upon him) was and what he did you are assuming all Muslims do not

    You do not know all of the Muslims to make this static

    ''Well what makes you think what Pope says is right. Being the pope of Christian church and he who does not understand THE way salvation in the BIBLE, he is just babbling. ''

    If you are a Catholic he is the infallible and the voice of God on Earth
    He is not Babbling Miss Ria you just cannot come to agree with your bias views

    ''I am sorry, but just because you get offended does not change the facts.''

    I could say the same as you were offended at those calling the Christian Jewish and Muslim God as the same.

    As this fact is common knowledge as most Muslims Jewish and Christians believe this. Only the extremist Muslim haters of other faiths do not believe this as they try and use this excuse to say Muslims come from the devil ect

    -JSOP

  149. Read your comments directed towards Islam, Muslims and Myself (calling me a terrorist even though I shun violence)
    All of your constant hatred also to Muslim countries,(calling them all savage) immigrants and praising of radicals trying to take away Muslims rights (Geert Wilders)

    -JSOP

  150. "Allah,is not merely another name for Jehovah, the God of the Bible."

    While Muhammad worshipped Allah, the Moon God, also known as Baal in the Bible, he took advantage of the ambiguity caused by the Arab Christians and Jews who also used the term Allah for the God of the Bible. He felt this would increase his chance of gaining converts from Judaism and Christianity, and even changed the direction of prayer towards Jerusalem to help in this effort. When he realized Jews and Christians weren't accepting him anyway, he changed the object of prayer back to the Kaaba.

  151. Follow the arrows Grace. That reply is directed to JSOP's comment:

    "Good Neighbour to everyone that also includes Muslims as if you treat them less is that not contradicting your Holy Book ?"

  152. Ria is right. Black is black and white is white but many ignorant and gullible human beings prefer grey.

  153. Oh, my goodness! Did my arms accidentally hit your sacred private parts, my dear Mormon John K? Why are you 'groaning' in pain here? xD
    I apologise for my loving truthful comments that hurt your Mormon pride and sensitivity. Don't worry, do rest assure that I won't swing both my arms against you anymore but I will certainly put my arms around your neck and …:p

  154. Stop fooling your self , red is not blue and blue is not red. They ARE DIFFERENT, by comparison.

  155. The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah's chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends,

    And the most important point is that all through the Qu'ran it says Allah has no son. " He begetteth not, nor is he begotten. And there is none like unto Him. Sura 112:3-4 . Psalms 2 : 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

  156. God is love in Bible. He loves us even when we are sinners. Unconditional love (Agape love) is the main theme of Bible. The Suras in the Koran begin with “In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. Yet in practice Islam's god is portrayed as stern, harsh, having compassion on those who do right and deals severely with those who do not. Does it sound like same God ?
    Allah is not called Yahweh once in the Koran but neither is Yahweh called Allah in the Bible. So they can't be the same God. Neither is the word Elohim which is applied to Yahweh over 2,500 times in the Bible used in the Koran. Neither is he called I Am, which He said to Moses would be His name forever.
    The God of the Bible identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacobs name is later changed to the name Israel, being the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of the Bible calls Jerusalem the city of David and that the Messiah would descend from his lineage. Neither does the God of the Bible does not mention Mecca or Medina but instead Jerusalem 800 times. Yet Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran, which the Muslim claims as there own.

  157. //Christians, Jews and Muslims are all people of the same God.//
    Allah,is not merely another name for Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Why are muslim so bent on attempting to bring these different religions together. They only see the superficial characteristic of monotheism while ignoring vast differences between God(Yahweh) and Allah.

    Allah is the name of the only God in Islam. Of the 99 names of God in Islam, not one is “Father” or has a personal connotation. God in Bible (old and new) is has personal connotation, like Abba, Father, Friend, The God of the Bible wants an ongoing friendship with each of us. However Islam portrays God as one who expects us to do our religious duty or He angers. Does it sound like same God ?

  158. The Wikipedia article on the Moabites is pretty good. It has this to say about their end:

    Decline and fall
    Sometime during the Persian period Moab disappears from the extant historical record. Its territory was subsequently overrun by waves of tribes from northern Arabia, including the Kedarites and (later) the Nabataeans. In Nehemiah 4:1 the Arabs are mentioned instead of the Moabites as the allies of the Ammonites.[26] Their region, however, continued to be known by its biblical name for some time. For example, when the Crusaders occupied the area, the castle they built to defend the eastern part of the Kingdom of Jerusalem was called Krak des Moabites.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moabites

  159. You came onto this site with both arms swinging against me.

    You have not had anything intelligent to say about anything that I am doing wrong.

  160. Ria,
    Your comments are just wrong, baseless

  161. //They are the ones that do understand as you are passing judgment on all Muslims without fully understanding about Islam//.

    How come they understand more than I do if they have never read Quran, and don't even know who Mohammed was and what he did.

    //Even your late Pope says that Muslims are one of the right ways to salvation //

    Well what makes you think what Pope says is right. Being the pope of Christian church and he who does not understand THE way salvation in the BIBLE, he is just babbling.

    //What if what you are saying is Offensive to Muslims ?//
    I am sorry, but just because you get offended does not change the facts.

  162. I love every human being on planet earth and I'm a good neighbour to every one of them. :)

  163. ''even some of my Christian family and friend (devoid of understanding Islam) say the same thing, and it is very offensive to me.''

    They are the ones that do understand as you are passing judgement on all Muslims without fully understanding about Islam.

    Even your late Pope says that Muslims are one of the right ways to salvation

    Books to read :
    Catechism of the Catholic Church
    Crossing the Threshold of Hope

    What if what you are saying is Offensive to Muslims ?

    Christians, Jews and Muslims are all people of the same God

    -JSOP

  164. Just because you did not understand it that does not mean that all Muslims do not as you do not know that Muslim or every Muslim to know that for sure

    Before giving advise fully understand what you are talking about.

    You should enjoin right conduct on others but mend your own ways first. Actions speak louder than words. You must first practice good deeds yourself, then preach [2/44]

    -JSOP

  165. Good Neighbour to everyone that also includes Muslims as if you treat them less is that not contradicting your Holy Book ?

    Watch the above video I linked

    -JSOP

  166. Lets not forget the words of God are not corruptible but the words of the Scribes are.

    -JSOP

  167. Read what Jihad is and truly understand it.
    Also read about the rules of war which include not harming woman, children and the elderly It is about defending oneself in wars

    The extremist using it in today's world is a corruption of jihad (as they are harming innocents and are forgetting that whoever kills an innocent is like killing all of mankind )

    There are many jihads as in the jihad to do good or evil acts

    Christian Jewish and Muslim God are the same

    Extremist who hate Muslims always say that Muslims come from the devil even though this is not the case at all

    -JSOP

  168. "Moab is the general area of Jordan"I said Mobites i did not say the land.

    "This is your personal opinion." Their is a great deal of evidence for this, the bible was not written by moses but by the rabbis, abraham, isaac etc was nothing but folk lore. No exodus from eqypt ever happened and Joshua and the Israelites did not conquer that land from the canaanites. Read this for more information http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/F

  169. Oh, my dear sister Ria, how can you be ignorant of the the fact that I'm always a truthful and merciful Christian lady towards our dear Mormon John K? Don't you know that I love our dear Mormon John K so much that whenever I remind him of Joseph Smith's rosy lies, I can't bear to cut off his nose at all but always give him a romantic kiss on his nose? Don't worry, I'll always remember your good advice to be extremely kind to our dear Mormon John K and to be always tender hearted towards him, so that he'll fall in love with me as time flies. xD

  170. * Moab does not exist, <Moab is the general area of Jordan>.

    **"In Bible in Genesis Moab is the product of daughters' of lots incest relationship with their father Lot." //No such person existed as the bible is a book of myths not a history book. // <This is your personal opinion. Bible have genologies that can be traced. Even if you don't condiser Bible divine which I have no problem, but to deny historical facts and figures not very elightened>

  171. Hi Farid, trust me Ali is 100 percent right.. I always recited the Quran but never actually read it and when I did read it in English a few months ago, I was totally shocked to say the least.. I was disillusioned and hurt. I felt as if my whole world fell apart in a matter of days. Then thanks to Ali, I saw enlightment and now I am so proud to say that I am finally out of Islam.. Please read the Quran in your own language and read Sirat of Mohammed by Ali Dashti.. Above all, read Ali Sina's book "Understanding Mohammed".. I doubt if anyone who reads this book from start to finish can actually claim to be a Muslim after that..

  172. "Mobites are current Jordanian (Palestinians= Muslims)." The mobites don`t exist anymore. As for the palestians no one can trace their anestry to "pure mobites" they are of mixed blood. Many ethnicities have lived in Palestine dating back thousands of years. Palestinians are the descendants of the many peoples who lived in that area.

    "In Bible in Genesis Moab is the product of daughters' of lots incest relationship with their father Lot." No such person existed as the bible is a book of myths not a history book.

  173. Grace one believing in Mormonism or not believing in anything is a personal problem but one believing is Islam is not a personal problem because the whole world is effected by this cult. So we should not be treating other religion the same. What is the point of giving someone a rose when you cut their nose ? Truth and Mercy should be balanced. You have the truth my dear sister but also have mercy.

    "Be kind to one another, tender hearted" :)

  174. Correct me if I am wrong Mr Sina. Mobites are current Jordanian (Palestinians= Muslims). In Bible in Genesis Moab is the product of daughters' of lots incest relationship with their father Lot.

    Also Thank you for saying that Allah and God of Jews and Christians are not the same. I been saying this for years, even some of my Christian family and friend (devoid of understanding Islam) say the same thing, and it is very offensive to me. In college days muslim students (MSA) had meetings and I was constantly invited by my friends. They would say Allah and my God are same. I was the lone voice. But I am glad people are becoming more and more aware of real qualities of Allah.

  175. That is much better. Thank you.

  176. Actually, my dear Mormon John K, I think that I should do you a big favour here and that is to quit condemning your dear Mormonism since you don't appreciate my kindness for helping you to see through this religion of lies. Are you happy now, that I finally let you and your Joseph Smith off? ;)

  177. Oh, Mormon John K, I agreed to wash my hands off your this business of continuing to believe in Mormonism and also, to shake the dust off my feet, when you refused to believe my truthful and sincere comments that exposed all the lies of Joseph Smith and his religion of lies. Don't worry, I'm not insulting Mormonism as per your above comment but stating the truth. You're offended by my comment because you knew that Joseph Smith was a false prophet and he lied and that there are many blatant lies found in the pearl of great price when you compare it with the KJV Bible. B)

  178. I thought it was agreed that you are going to drop your insults against Mormonism. Refraining from insults is also a term and condition of posting on this site.

  179. Dr Ali Sina is right. Muhammad's Allah is not the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub because this allah is a false god who has forgotten his covenant with Ibrahim and the worst thing to know is that he doesn't keep his promise with Ibrahim and his descendants. This goes to show that Muhammad's allah is an imperfect deity.

  180. Dear Mormon John K, don't you know that I'm always a very good neighbor to you and especially, my dear Dr Ali Sina? A good neighbor speaks the truth all the time and not all kinds of lies to entertain gullible human beings. :)

  181. "which applies to Mormonism as well"

    That was unnecessary. When are you going to learn to be a good neighbor?

  182. \”Every religion has there black sheep and terrorim is not limited to Islam\”
    Even if this were true, no religion prescibes terrorism except Islam. The very concept of jihad is terrorism. Ghazwa means raid, which is the old term for terrorism.

    \”Allah is the same God that the Christians, Jews worship.\”

    This is not so. Allah refers to the moon god of Arabia whose name was Hubbal. In the Bible this deity is denouced as false god Ha Baal. Ha is the definitive article. Ha Baal was the god of Moabites, not the god of the Jews.

  183. Every religion has there black sheep and terrorim is not limited to Islam and terroist use many excuses to commit terrorist acts:

    Take the time to fully understand Islam

    Allah is the same God that the Christians, Jews worship this it what you need to understand

    -JSOP

  184. Watch this satire video on someone hating Islam
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIvLfZ4_nk&NR

    JSOP

  185. ''Not even one in thousand Muslim has read the Quran let alone undrstand it.''

    You do not know that as you do not know that Muslim or every Muslim to make that statistic

    ''If they did, they won't be Muslim.''

    Again you do not know this for sure as many Muslims do understand the Quran

    I know it may be hard to believe that they are not listening to your ''truth theory'' of Islam

    -JSOP

  186. If they have seriously read and study this religious book for once, they would discover so many horrible lies in it and get out of this horrible cult for good which applies to Mormonism as well!

  187. I read the Quran and understood it, but I know you haven\’t. Not even one in thousand Muslim has read the Quran let alone undrstand it. Yes Muslims chant it every day, but that is not to say they understand anything from it. If they did, they won\’t be Muslim.

  188. Hi Farid,

    Actually the problem is that Muslims who defend Islam have not read the Quran. If you would, you would see all of the evidence that Dr. Sina presents. I know the Quran is hard to understand because the Suras have been scrambled out of their historical order. You can overcome that by reading it together with the Sira. Then Muhammad's motives for each Sura he wrote will be very clear to you.

  189. before u actually condemn islam.have u even read the quran and understand it?i think not.u people just go condemning every muslim and islam but u guys know nothinf the contents of islam.u guys know nothing but yet pretend to know everything.like the proverb. 'emoty barrels makes more noise'

  190. Well observed. Only pagans need a God outside themselves. Of course children are born perfect. The wholey do not need to pretend to be holy. God is within you and conscience your guide. Only the holey seek to fill their emptiness by submitting to an intimidator whose lifestyle appears completly guilt free.

  191. Ali Sina has the right tactic. Only by exposing Muhammad can political Islam be defeated.

  192. Mona, I think Islam in a sense is to blame when it is so unclear, incomplete, ambiguous that so many people understand and practice it wrong. It should be considered of little use then.

    Also it should be considered the responsibility of Muslims to make their position clearer. Muslims stay in an organisation, Islam, that has so many criminals, lunatics or plain misunderstanders in it.

    either the fanatic, violent anti-democratic Muslims are more right on what Islam really means, or the moderate peaceful ones are. But still then there is either way massive misunderstanding and that alone should invalidate Islam. And still then the moderate peaceful Muslims, despite being right, should not want to be in the same organisation, with the same name, as the violent anti-democratic Muslims.

    And for failing to do this Moderate peaceful Muslims should be told they no longer deserve trust and credibility precisely because they use the exact same organisation and name, Islam and Muslims, as all those misunderstanders.

  193. Hello Shakila, on general I so support that site you showed us. But it also talked about the Islamization of Europe. I live in Rotterdam, Holland and the demographic situation concerning Muslims and ordinary non-Muslim people always concerned me very much. And they still do.

    But something extraordinary is being told to the world this year; that Muslima's in Democratic and in Islamic countries alike are getting lesser and lesser children. In Turkey and Iran it is said the Muslima's only get 1,8 children average. And the leaders, Erdogan, Ahmadinejad, are not liking it and raging against it. In Tunisia Muslima's are down to 2,0 children average. And in Morocco, Algeria, even Egypt and Pakistan, and surely Bangladesh and Indonesia, as well as in Democratic Nations as Holland, UK, France, birthrates among Muslims are falling. Expectedly towards the rates of European women! Who, in Sweden, UK and France, are lately getting a little bit more children average! And it is told by the United Nations, and by definitely anti-Islamic writers such as Spengler, real name David P. Goldman, on Asiatimesonline too. He even predicts very dire futures for some Islamic countries, notably Iran, Egypt.

    And it is all due to the fact that more & more women get educated and try to get at least some work, and also in the Islamic world, enough for them to be loath to having loads of children.

    And if it is true, then that is such a relief to me, I think now, with their demographic advantage fading away, Muslims do no longer stand a chance to win over the whole world, to win over my city, my country or the whole of Europe.

    But I still think Islam should be opposed and exposed, or at least it's political side should be.

  194. My dear well wisher,
    What makes you think that I am not well acquainted with Islam. I was born and raised as a Muslim. Since the age of 16, I have been praying five times a day till about 2 months ago when I just accidently came to know about Ali Sina and his website..Then he sent me his book "Understanding Mohammed".. Once I read it, all my doubts were cleared overnight.. U should read it as well..
    Regading Quran, I used to recite Quran once a year during Ramadan, one chapter everyday.. But only in Arabic.. But when I read the English translation for the first time in September this year, it opened up my eyes.. Islam is not a religion, it is an evil cult.. I am so glad I am out of it.. I feel sorry for you..

  195. #1. Every student likes to think that I am the best student. An examination brings out the truth.

    #2. Is your god 'Allah' the same as god(s) of other religions?
    If YES, give an examination. Prove to non-muslims, Islam is better. So far Islamic terrorists have proven otherwise.

    If NOT, follow Islam and DO NOT preach Islam to non-muslims. Conversion from other religion is a SIN. You are a sinner, liar, supporter of devil on the earth.

  196. What appears obvious to you is but a reflection of the attitudes of Islam towards criticism. The Quran has taught Muslims not to think, but thinking is your greatest asset. Read the articles on this site and become acquainted with the evidence against Islam. Islam is the religion that is losing apostates faster than any other religion in the world.

  197. It's actually quite the reverse. Your feelings about Islam show that you have not read Quran and Sunna.

    You can get an introduction to the relevant passages here. Click on each attribute of Muhammad's character to see the evidence:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

  198. Shakila, it's pretty obvious from your statement that you have renounced islam as your religion.well this is just an advice from a muslim woman who is proud that she is a muslim and allh swt all mighty is my god.you said that you have read many books and those mostly from people who has renounced islam as their faith but have you tried reading the quran before?fully and truly understand it?no i think not. Allah swt chooses who he wants to give hidayat to. And if u have shown arrogance towards islam then how do u expect to understand islam? Read and acquire more knowledge before you condemn islam and muslims.from what i see,you have very little knowledge.

  199. It is so obvious that ali sina has a grudge towards muslims.it is not islam so much.but it is muslims.an to all the muslims here read the quran 1st before you actually listen to non believers such as Sina.they will and they want you to leave islam.that is their aim.and with all the bad that sina is promoting,islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world with the highest ratea of conversion. Allahuakbar!

  200. Logically humorous, but practically – tragic.

  201. We depart from the traditional concept on burning in an eternal hell. First, the Book of Mormon suggests that the suffering of hell is an internal condition:

    Mosiah 2:38
    38 Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever.

    Hell is also seen as a temporary condition until repentance is complete at Judgement Day, which is just accountability for our actions, and determines which degree of glory we inherit in heaven:

    John 14:2
    2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    1 Corinthians 15
    41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

  202. "(and then we might kill you anyway…)"

    I didn't notice this part properly. This is the best part. ;)

  203. True about hinduism's concepts mostly.

    However, hindus don't have a judgement day, a eternal heaven and hell.

    We have 'karma'. 'karma' = 'deed'. Our deed guides us through the temporary phases of life on earth, heaven, hell frequently till our mind moulds to such a maturity and satisfaction that we decide to leave all pleasures of heaven and earth and go back home, our source.

  204. Exactly on all counts. Of course, taqiyya is only practiced when Muslims are weak. Then it's convert or die for Hindus, and convert, die, or be a persecuted dhimmi for Christians (and then we might kill you anyway…)

  205. Right. That's why I mentioned that I felt quite at home with the Bhagavad Gita.

    We don't do reincarnation either, but unlike the Catholics and Protestants we have extended the paradigm into the pre-mortal life. The Bible has allusions to this in both the Old and New Testaments, but since the teachings are obscure, the other denominations don't really know what to do with it and haven't elaborated it.

    So, if I understand Hinduism properly, we share the belief that we have always existed and always will exist. We have a corollary to the scientific principle that matter cannot be created or destroyed in that we believe that intelligence cannot be created or destroyed, or in other words, we are co-eternal with God and the elements.

    So from our primeval existence as intelligences, we accepted God's plan to be born as his spirit children, and from there to be born as mortals on earth.

    An example passage is found in Job 38 which describes our reaction when the earth was created:

    4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    So the reason we don't have reincarnation is that when we are resurrected we will have a permanent immortal body, so there is no need for subsequent deaths and rebirths.

  206. "I can appreciate this dilemma from a Hindu perspective."

    Actually, I meant the dilemma should be more from a christian perspective than a hindu's.

    Christians practice tolerance ONLY through mutual respect whereas a hindu practices tolerance through BOTH mutual respect and Definition of God and prophethood.

    Muslims practice tolerance through Taqiya. :)

  207. Ok. So it seems to me that out of all sects of Christianity, Mormonism is the most compatible one with hinduism.

    Is reincarnation a valid concept in LDS church unlike protestants' and catholics'?

  208. Will Durant also describes the importance of religion as the basis of civilization, and the dangers of discarding it and its centuries of collective wisdom when modernizing, no matter what the religion is:

    "Hence a certain tension between religion and society marks the higher stages of every civilization. Religion begins by offering magical aid to harassed and bewildered men; it culminates by giving to a people that unity of morals and belief which seems so favorable to statesmanship and art; it ends by fighting suicidally in the lost cause of the past. For as knowledge grows or alters continually, it clashes with mythology and theology, which change with geological leisureliness. Priestly control of arts and letters is then felt as a galling shackle or hateful barrier, and intellectual history takes on the character of a "conflict between science and religion." Institutions which were at first in the hands of the clergy, like law and punishment, education and morals, marriage and divorce, tend to escape from ecclesiastical control, and become secular, perhaps profane. The intellectual classes abandon the ancient theology and—after some hesitation—the moral code allied with it; literature and philosophy become anticlerical. The movement of liberation rises to an exuberant worship of reason, and falls to a paralyzing disillusionment with every dogma and every idea. Conduct, deprived of its religious supports, deteriorates into epicurean chaos; and life itself, shorn of consoling faith, becomes a burden alike to conscious poverty and to weary wealth. In the end a society and its religion tend to fall together, like body and soul, in a harmonious death. Meanwhile among the oppressed another myth arises, gives new form to human hope, new courage to human effort, and after centuries of chaos builds another civilization."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Durant#On_the_d

  209. "As per my understanding, for christianity, the problem arises not because Christ told that all other kinds of gods are devils except his father in heaven, but because you can attain salvation ONLY through christ."

    I can appreciate this dilemma from a Hindu perspective. All I can offer is that we believe in mutual respect for all religions as per this verse from the Book of Mormon:

    2 Nephi 26:33
    33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

    The problem we have is that Islam violates this social contract of mutual respect.

  210. Very good analysis.

    On your question, I posted this explanation of Mormonism as one of the 3 divisions of Christianity in the comments to Maruf's article:

    Christianity falls into 3 main branches, somewhat the way Islam falls into Sunni, Shia, and Sufi.

    Jesus gave Peter the priesthood authority to establish the church. Catholics claim that the authority was passed on to them by Peter ordaining the first Pope.

    Protestants came along starting with Martin Luther by saying that there is no way the Catholic church is the true church because of all the abuses of the church and failure to conform to the teachings of the Bible. Protestants use their own logic to interpret the Bible and have no claim of priesthood authority. Hence there are so many Protestant denominations.

    The Mormon Church, which is a shorter nickname for the rather long full name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is also known as the LDS Church. It is a restored church, meaning that everything Jesus did to establish his church when He lived has been restored again today in these latter-days.

    So all three branches of Christianity are called Christian. In that sense, Mormons share the same beliefs in common with Christianity. Whereas the other two branches believe, like Islam, that the heavens are sealed and there can be no more communication with God, Mormons believe in modern prophets and continuing revelation.

    Amos 3:7
    Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

  211. "Islam ascribes sociopathic traits to God while Christianity and Hinduism ascribe noble and dignified features to God."

    According to hinduism, a messenger of God is free and not BOUND to be a living example of goodness and compassion. He has the freedom and capacity to act as a devil while preaching the other way and suffer no consequences for it.

    Hinduism tells the reason a messenger of God should live as he preaches is because otherwise people would get confused and suffer for it. The religion is the basis of civilisation and society and not the necessity to attain God. A messenger of God is beyond human laws, but should live as the perfect human to set the ULTIMATE benchmark which humans should strive to attain.

  212. "There is no one voice speaking for Christianity ….. uncharitable view."

    As per my understanding, for christianity, the problem arises not because Christ told that all other kinds of gods are devils except his father in heaven, but because

    you can attain salvation ONLY through christ. Since Christ towers above all else and also Christ's father in heaven is not a multitude of gods, therefore the ideas of

    Christianity cannot ever mould itself to be compatible with hinduism.

    But the same is not true for hinduism though.

    "Why can't they return to their caste and not tell anyone that they spent time as a Christian?"

    You call yourself a 'christian' OFFICIALLY, and do not want to be a 'hindu' anymore and therefore cannot belong to a caste. Once you discard your caste by your own

    free will, you cannot again pick it up because the adventure was not to your taste.

    Caste system is hereditary. This is why you cannot BECOME a hindu.

  213. I too enjoy your comments across the sites.

    I don't know too much about Mormonism. But, I guess Jesus is not the central figure there. Is mormonism a sect of christianity?

    There are 3 main reasons for clashes between religions:

    1. Definition of God: the starting point of clashes between religions is the concept of god. We, all the humans on this earth, ASSUME that we came from the same source

    and our creator (god) also is same. If God is same, then the DEFINITION of god CANNOT be different.

    2. Ideals preached by the founder: We ASSUME the same God should want us to live according to the same ideals.

    3. Social structure approved as ideal by the religion to preserve it till eternity: The social structure which allows one to live in accordance with that particular

    religion's ideals.

    Islam's clashes with other religions are mainly due to #2 and #3.
    Christianity clashes with other religions are mainly due to #1.
    Hinduism's clasehs with other religions are mainly due to #3.

  214. Thanks for taking the time Shrek. I enjoy your comments across the various sites.

    "telling hindus in their own homeland that they worship the devils"

    There is no one voice speaking for Christianity. It is unfortunate that in the name of a religion that promotes charity as the pure love of Christ and the Golden Rule would have adherents with such a narrow, uncharitable view.

    I like Joseph Campbell's work, especially Transformations of Myth Through Time. He talks about how all world cultures have the Elementary Ideas that are the building blocks of religions and philosophies like letters of the alphabet are the building blocks to make all the different words we have.

    He also said that God is God, and that in our desire to talk to him, we are all speaking to the same person, but what varies from culture to culture is the name of that person we are talking to and the intellectual tradition that describes and ascribes features and attributes to that person. So, for example, Islam ascribes sociopathic traits to God while Christianity and Hinduism ascribe noble and dignified features to God.

    "The political problem is created mainly because once you convert to other faiths, you cannot become a hindu again in 'conventional' sense. Your caste is lost."

    That is troubling. Why can't they return to their caste and not tell anyone that they spent time as a Christian? Christianity certainly is not like Islam in preventing people from reverting back to their previous beliefs. Surely leaders of the congregation would argue against it, but ultimately would not prevent a person from exercising their freedom of choice.

  215. 2. You will never see hindus' bias and hatred so much against other oriental religions as it is manifested against Islam and Christianity.

    - No other religions' followers occupied India territory and imposed their faiths on hindus.

    I think these will be enough points to satisfy your curiosity.

  216. So the conversion by Christians and Muslims of hindus create a religious and political problem in India, the homeland of the hindus for millenia.

    The religious problems manifest in India as Muslims and Christians telling hindus in their own homeland that they worship the devils and they should pray to one true lord, otherwise they are deluded.

    The political problem is created mainly because once you convert to other faiths, you cannot become a hindu again in 'conventional' sense. Your caste is lost.
    When somebody takes a sheep from your herd and you cannot bring a sheep from other herd, it weakens you in the survival game on this earth.

    For hindus, together it comes down to this:
    what (official conversion) we don't do to others, we do not like others to do unto us.

  217. 1. If you are not 'born' a hindu, you cannot BECOME one in 'conventional' sense.
    However the principles in hinduism doesn't bar you from practising it while simultaneously remaining a Christian, muslim, a buddhist etc. Similarly, a 'born' hindu can place buddha, jesus on the same altar as their gods. They can pray to Allah along with their gods.

    If you are a muslim, principles of islam does not allow you to pray to hindu gods.

    Same goes for a christian.

  218. John,

    The best tool to understand any others' problems in life is to put yourself on their shoes.

    Now, the reasons for clubbing Christianity and Islam together while seeing through the eyes of an Indian hindu:

  219. Thank you. As a Christian who has never been to India, but have had Indian friends in the US, I don't understand the hatred of Christianity I see from Hindus on Muslim information sites. I read the Bhagavad Gita and enjoyed it very much because I felt that the underlying principles are so similar in our two religions.

  220. I hope so and I hope you are right. Obama didn't do anything for the opposition. Historically Israel and Persia have had good relations. Perhaps that will help carry us through this crisis.

  221. Iranians hate their regime. They probably will see an attck by Israel on their nuclear facilities as a help to overthrow the regime. Israel must also arm the opposition.

  222. @ Ali Sina: Sir, but an attack on Iran's nuclear facility by Israel can again make Iranians to seek refuge in Islam. What do you think?

  223. This story does not promote Sati, it says that a woman did it. Hinduism is not like Islam where whatever Muhammad did became sunnah.

  224. Caste system was not hereditary initially it was made so by brahmins to retain monopoly.
    Caste system is mentioned as Varna. It is like dividing society into Brahmins (Priest), Kshatriya (Warrior class), Vaishya (White collar) and Shudra (Blue collar)

    Please see these verses from Manusmriti, the text alleged to promote caste system.
    Migration within Varnas
    6. Manu Smriti 10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.

    7. Manu Smriti 9.335: If a Shudra (uneducated) serves the educated ones, is polite, devoid of ego and stays in respectful company of knowledgeable ones, he/ she is considered as having a noble birth and stature.

    8. There are several shlokas in Manusmriti that state that a person belonging to high Varna falls down to level of a Shudra (uneducated) if he does not conduct noble deeds. For example,
    2.104: A person who does not worship the Supreme Lord twice daily should be considered a Shudra.
    2.172. He who has not been initiated with teaching of the Vedas is a Sudra.
    4.245: A Brahmin acquires brilliance through company of noble persons and avoiding bad company. On contrary, if he indulges in bad company, he becomes a Shudra.

  225. The message is so compelling and the language flows so well that it is really a quick read.

  226. Yes the Urdu translation is more up to date. It is the translation of the fifth edition, The edition that I will be releasing in the comming months is the sixth edition and I believe it will be the last edition. I am now working on another book, a brief history of Muhammad.

    I will email you the urdu edition. Someone offered to birng it up to date to the sixth edition. But he said it will take time as he has his work to do too.

    I know that any Muslim who reads this book will leave Islam, but it is a voluminous book most people don\’t read books. So I am working on another project to take the message to millions of people.

  227. I would like to read the Urdu translation as well.. I loved the English one but if the urdu one is more up to date then please email it to me.

  228. I have finished reading your book 'Understanding Mohammed' .. All I can say is tha it is one hell of an eye opener. I wish each and every Muslim would have the guts to read it and face the bitter truth.

  229. Ali is absolutely right Mona.. I have surely flipped 180 degrees and never ever going back. I am in fact regretting why didn't I leave this barbaric religion earlier and why did it take me 35 years to realize what a scam and cult Islam actually is.. I am so thankful to Ali for being my savior.

  230. Do you like the African version.The killers in Nigeria followed Mad mohans(pbuh footsteps and KILLED150 human beings.Shame on you PIGS.

  231. The behavior of Muslims does not define Islam. Quran and Sunna define Islam.

  232. @ sina

    Again, re-learn the history of Islam with your heart wide open, Mr. hero.

    Umar was told to have a conversation with a Christian Priest when Islam conquered Jerusalem. Even the priest asked Umar to pray in the church which Umar said no to.

    It was also Umar who didn't kill Hormuzan (a Parsian General) when the latter was captured during the war.

  233. Hi Mona, Your advice comes a bit too late for Shakila. She has already flipped 180 degrees and is not going to flip back. However, you have a chance to help others who are considering flipping. Read my book and refute it. This will help many people to see Islam is true. You will also win $50,000 reward from me. Do you want to do that?

    Also I must tell you that all those who read my book have left Islam. I have never heard from anyone who read my book (in its entirety) and still calls him or herself a Muslim. Want to give it a try?

  234. On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be "slaughtered":

    Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

  235. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad allows his soldiers to rape captive women:

    From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:
    Book 008, Number 3371:

    Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

    Notice that Muhammad did not say, "do not compel your captive women to have sex with you." He merely says it does not matter if his soldiers withdraw before ejaculation, because souls destined by Allah to be born will be born regardless.

    From Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
    Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:

    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:
    I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa [battle at which Muhammad was present] of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."

    Again notice that, in answer to his soldiers' queries Muhammad doesn't say "You must not force your captives to have intercourse with you." He says only that coitus interruptus, withdrawing prior to ejaculation, is pointless, because souls predestined to exist will exist regardless.

    Again in Sahih al-Bukhari:
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
    We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

    Thus Muhammad does not forbid his men to rape their captives, but merely says that it's better not to do coitus interruptus. His men were to keep going till coitus was complete.
    ——————————————

    The heading of Chapter 29 of Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection, is

    "IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY). IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE"

    The hadiths in Chapter 29 say that after a victory for the Muslims at the Battle of Hanain, and in response to the fact that Muhammad's soldiers "seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women," Muhammad produced Qur'an 4:24's statement about slave girls/captive women,

    And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…

    Get it? Muhammad's Allah is telling his soldiers, "go ahead, boys, you can do the captives, including the married ones."

  236. Reliance of the Traveller, a standard Islamic law reference text certified by Al-Azhar, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world, supports extreme discrimination against women and non-Muslims:

    From page 590 of The Reliance of the Traveller/Umdat Al-Salik:

    The indemnity [compensation for damages] for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man.

    The indemnity for a Jew or a Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim.

    The indemnity for a Zoroastrian [the Persian pre-Islamic religion, to which some Iranians still adhere] is one-fifteenth of that of a Muslim.

    From the back cover of Reliance of the Traveller:

    "There is no doubt that this translation is a valuable and important work, whether as a textbook for teaching Islamic jurisprudence to English speakers, or as a legal reference for use by scholars, educated laymen, and students in this language."
    - Dr. Taha Jabir al-Alwani, president of the International Institute of Islamic Thought

    The back cover also says the book

    …is the first translation of a standard Islamic legal reference in a European language to be certified by Al-Azhar, the Muslim world's oldest institution of higher learning. It presents an explanative interpretation of Umdat al-Salik, a classic Sunni manual of Sacred law…

    ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­

  237. (continued from preceding reply)

    Ibn Kathir is perhaps the Muslim world's most respected Quran expositor.

    Kathir says of 65:4

    Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah [verse] in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. (see Qur'an 2:228) The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His [Allah's] saying;
    [Qur'an 65:4] (and for those who have no courses…)

    Syed Abul Ala Maududi (died 1979), another famous Qur'an expositor, says of Qur’an 65:4:

    Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.

    So major Muslim expositors of the Quran agree that Quran 65:4 assumes and supports consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls. These expositors know what Maududi above mentions: per Quran 33:49, a waiting period before remarriage is only required if the dissolved marriage was consummated.

    And many Muslim translations of 65:4 make absolutely clear that it refers to remarriage of prepubescent girls. (See for example these translations: Al-Muntakahb, Abdel Haleem, Abdul Majid Daryabadi, Aisha Bewley, Ali Quli Qara'i, Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, Muhammad Taqi Usmani.)

  238. Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls

    Before quoting the scholars on Quran 65:4, it should be noted that Quran 33:49 lays down that when a divorced female is to marry a new spouse, a waiting period is required only if the previous marriage was consummated. The scholars I will be quoting below all know this.&nbsp; One of them, Maududi, mentions and explains it.

    With that in mind, first consider Ibn Abbas, a companion of Muhammad, and one of many authorities who affirm that Qur'an 65:4 refers to the waiting period for prepubescent girls to remarry after divorce.

    Ibn Abbas on Qur'an 65:4

    (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.

    Some eight hundred years later appeared the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, one of the most widely used interpretations of the Qur'an. Tafsir al-Jalalayn also tells us that Qur'an 65:4 speaks of waiting period for divorce of prepubescent girls:

    And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.

    65:4, according to Wahidi's respected explanation of the Qur'an:

    (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: “When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet? And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> Abu’l-Azhar> Asbat ibn Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: “When the waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those who are too young [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are pregnant’. And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) was revealed”.

    The bracketed text is not me, it's in the Wahidi at Altafsir.com

    (continued in next reply)

  239. Had Aisha reached puberty at age 9 when Muhammad, in his fifties, consummated the marriage with her? No, she had not: according to core Islamic texts, 1) her dolls were with her and 2) dolls are only permitted to prepubescent children

    From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:
    Book 008, Number 3311:

    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

    In the next hadith, we learn that playing with dolls is only permitted for prepubescent children

    From Sahih al-Bukhari, a canonical hadith collection:
    Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

    (The parenthetical statement is not mine — it's in University of Southern California's Sahih al-Bukhari online, as you can see by clicking on the link above.)

    And then of course there is the increasingly infamous Qur'an verse 65:4 that specifies a waiting period for prepubescent and post-menopausal females to remarry after being divorced. There is no waiting period if the marriage was not consummated (See Quran 33:49). Thus Qur'an 65:4 assumes consummation with prepubescent girls.

    Qur'an Chapter 65, Verse 4:

    And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

  240. Canonical hadiths say Muhammad (in his fifties) consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was nine (lunar) years old.

    A lunar year is about 355 days long, which means that Aisha may have been several months short of her ninth birthday.

    Some examples from Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

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    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."

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    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:

    Narrated 'Ursa:

    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

    ————————————————-

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

    Narrated Hisham's father:

    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

  241. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says the minds of women are deficient

    In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

  242. Examples of Islam's founders striking women

    Wife-beating goes on in all societies. Most societies seek to punish it. Islam's core texts and founders, with some vague limitations, make it into something sacred and thus unreformable.

    From Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 828:

    Narrated Aisha [Muhammad's favorite wife]:

    Abu Bakr [first caliph, father of Aisha, and companion of Muhammad] came towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

    Sahih Muslim, Book 009, Number 3506:

    Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr…came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger…He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle…sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat Umar) [who would become second caliph] said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet…laugh, so he [Umar] said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger [Muhammad]…laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr [who was later to become first caliph]…then got up went to A'isha…and slapped her on the neck, and Umar [who was later to become second caliph] stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger…which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger…for anything he does not possess…

    Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127:

    …(the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He [Muhammad] struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?…

    Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:

    Narrated 'Ikrima:

    Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"…

  243. The Qur'an does not say beat your wife if she is disobedient; it says beat her if you merely "fear" or suspect disobedience

    Below are ten translations of a notorious portion of <a href="http://www.quranbrowser.com/cgi/bin/get.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale+transliterated&layout=auto&searchstring=004:034">Qur'an Chapter 4, Verse 34, the beat-your-disobedient-wife verse.

    Six of the ten translations use the word "beat."

    Two translations use the word "scourge," <a href="http://www.onelook.com/?w=scourge&ls=a">which as a verb means to whip.

    And two of the translations use the word "chastise." Most dictionaries give corporal punishment (beating, or "stripes") as one of the main <a href="http://www.onelook.com/?w=chastise&ls=a">definitions of "chastise."

    Some of the translators insert softening words in parentheses. None of the insertions in parentheses are in the original Arabic of the Qur'an.

    Pickthall: "and scourge them"
    Yusuf Ali: "(And last) beat them (lightly)"
    Al-Hilali/Khan: "(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)"
    Shakir: "and beat them"
    Sher Ali: "and chastise them"
    Khalifa: "then you may (as a last alternative) beat them"
    Arberry: "and beat them"
    Rodwell: "and scourge them"
    Sale: "and chastise them"
    Asad: "then beat them"
    Dawood: "and beat them."

  244. A standard Islamic legal manual says a female ruler is not permitted. Why? Because of statements from Muhammad

    For example, this statement in Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Volume 9, Book 88, Number 219:

    Narrated Abu Bakra:

    During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."

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    For Islamic law's prohibition of female rulers, see page 641 of The Reliance of the Traveller/Umdat Al-Salik, a standard Islamic legal reference certified by Al-Azhar, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world.

  245. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says a woman should not travel without a male custodian

    In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 250:

    Narrated Ibn Abbas:

    That he heard the Prophet saying, "It is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram (i.e. her husband or a person whom she cannot marry in any case for ever; e.g. her father, brother, etc.)." Then a man got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have enlisted in the army for such-and-such Ghazwa and my wife is proceeding for Hajj." Allah's Apostle said, "Go, and perform the Hajj with your wife."

    Does Muhram mean "custodian"? Yes, according to the last page of this visa document from the Saudi Embassy. (To see, click on the visa doc. link just above and when you arrive at the visa doc., do a search for the word "custodian".)

  246. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says beat your wife, no questions asked

    In Sunan Abu Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:

    Book 11, Number 2142:

    Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

  247. On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be "slaughtered":

    Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

  248. Sorbonne linguist finds Islam's core texts the most aggressive against other groups

    Tina Magaard is a linguist who got her Ph.D. in Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne, and did a three-year study of the original texts of the world's ten largest religions. One of her findings was that Islam's core texts are the most aggressive against other groups. http://jp.dk/indland/article223091.ece

  249. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

    In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

    Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

    Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

    …Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

  250. "Shakila – Middle Eastern version of Islam is so messed-up" I did not know their are multiple versions of islam tell me, Do muslims in different places believe in a different prophet or follow a different holy book?

    "It is sad that you plan to abandon Allah (Master of the Universe) due to the misconception of Islam." Is Allah logical or their being a "master of the universe".?

    "May you find the light that you seek" You will not find enlightenment in islam, you only find it through doubt.

  251. Wow! So much hate on Islam! Shakila – Middle Eastern version of Islam is so messed-up. So don't blame Islam when the Muslims illogical practices are the ones shd be blamed.

    I recommend before you flipped 180 degree, why don't you read the sites that promote only the reading of Quran as the true Islam. It is sad that you plan to abandon Allah (Master of the Universe) due to the misconception of Islam.

    Another thing, Islam is the way of life (deen).. not really a religion. The minute you think of Islam as a religion, that's where things go wrong.. coz the present Islam religion (which is actually a cult) is already hijacked by blood thirsty-money loving religious freaks. They will use anything (be it a section of Quran.. or make-belief hadith) to push forward their agenda.

    Oh well… at the end of the day it's up to you… All the best!! May you find the light that you seek .. :)

  252. http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/iranian-pilot-who
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    A picture is worth a thousand words. Just see how a valiant pilot in Iran saved the lives of 100 people. My respect to the pilot & to all the brave folks in Iran. I hope they overthrow their stupid, barbaric Ayatollahs & the entire garbage they're infected with.
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    MN

  253. He does it for the readers.

  254. Sanada_10,
    don't use so many points. I am dead sure TALHA guy did not read/understand beyond 1 and half points. ;)

  255. @ Talha

    You are typical of many, many Muslims who make their first visit to this site and say something similar as if we had never heard these kinds of things before. People who do this fall into one of two categories:

    1) Muslims who are not familiar with the content of the Quran and Sunna. If you fall into this category, this is a great time for you to read Dr. Sina's book and the articles on this site to learn about the things your book says that your Imams and community might not have told you about.

    2) Muslims who know about these things but deny them and lie about them in order to advance Stealth Jihad. If you fall into this category, you are a liar and wasting your time. We are not living in the Middle Ages. The printing press has been invented and we have read your books.

    Jihad means holy war, and if you live in the Middle East, no Muslim will ever talk about it in any other kind of context. There are only 2 very weak hadiths which support the concept of the "greater jihad". In either case, it still leaves 98% of Islamic references talking about war fighting. It is quite clearly about war in Sharia law, which specifies what kind of warriors are to receive the zakat.

    You also need to learn about abrogation and progressive revelation. When Muhammad was weak he talked tolerantly about Christians and Jews. This was the Meccan period. When he became strong, he became violent, and the Quran changed accordingly. This is the Medinan period.

    Islam means peace will come when all the world accepts Islam by converting or submitting.

  256. You need:

    1. Source of the statistic
    2. Source on the meaning and of course "submission" is greater than "peace". What kind of peace I ask you? Above, the same, or under others? The greeting is not used to non musiim too. Try to mix and see the result.
    3. Jihad means struggle and holy war is just one tool out of many ways to struggle in the name of Allah.
    4. Q 2:256 has its own context and meaning and Surah 9 makes it clear.
    5. Q 49:13 doesn't explain anything about the purpose of Islam, it's just explained the history, the past. The verse itself is illogical if you read it carefully.
    6. Q 29:46 is just Meccan verse. Meccan verses mostly were not used when muslim was in power. Contradictory verses are easily found cursing People of the Book.

  257. so, based on this limited info, we got that passionate and kind person is the one who:

    1. Free war prisoner (ignoring other facts such as ransom, slavery, raid, rape, killing, massacre etc).
    2. Forgiving the one who ate heart (ignoring that he never forgave people who criticized him and of course his uncle). Now, the uncle's heart is chewed, eh?

    Should be the world standard to label a person as "good".

  258. plz check this how Islam conquerd the non-muslim lands here
    http://www.historyofjihad.org

  259. Muhammad bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznavi ,Mohammad ghouri, Timur and many other are same marauders who carried out massacres in India enslaved the population,destroyed the temples and many other, these are the inspirations of Holy Prophet, Dreaded Muslims who massacred the non-muslims raped their women are heros(piss and shit be upon them) in Islamic world and have got place in largest mythical brothel which is allah's heaven .

  260. khabaras:: First you need to have a good,pure conscience, a strong desire ,committment, to be a good humanbeing , define yourself best moral conduct. Then you start analyzing ISLAM, QQUURRAN, MO, ALLA in that light. You will get most repulsive,disgusting, outcomes from Q!QUURRAN, Mo and ALLA, also you will reject everything about ISLAM – because pretty soon you will discover ISLAM iS PLAGUE.

  261. khabaras

    Mohammad did not have to capture those war prisoners in the first place, ever heard about 'forced conversions' that's what Mohammad did to the neighboring cities around Medinaa, would you want your family killed just because they don't want to convert to another faith?

    Do not take Sina's words for it, just google 'Mohammad's raids on banu Qurayza and Banu Nadir, you will see how your prophet decimated a whole clan and took for himself a young and recently orphaned girl as a wife, would you kill a girl's parents and husband then swiftly marry her just because you can? Lastly, you seems to be oblivious of the supremacist nature of Islam, does verses like 8:12, 9:5 and 9:29 conform to your ethical standards? does Bukhari vol.4 bk 52 #220 sounds like the golden rule to you, from the way I see it, you need a lot of reading to ascertain the gruesome nature of your prophet's deeds.

  262. Khabaras :: Letr us start from the very beginning . U think yourself as Moslem and believe in ISLAM !!! Now did you ever thought about and analyzed the basis of your belief ? what is the meaning,function,purpose of life ? where from you are coming ? what is your duty,values,principles and philosophy ? How to live as a ggo human being ? To live as a good human being what are the prerequisites,qualities,ethos,morals ? You define them . Now read QQUURRAN , SIRA and HADITHS . Also examine the ISLAMIC societies, ISLAMIC governance,ISLAMIC laws- like sharia . Also take a look at the ISLAMIC history. How ISLAM spread by force and sword. Inorder to have a good understanding ,you need to be sincere,honest with impeccable integrity, you need to be kind,compassionate, with just mind, with a mind set of equality for all , peace loving,belief in nonviolence ,tolerant etc. When you analyze like this ISLAM /QQUURRAAN fails on all counts.,miserably. ISLAM and QQUURRAAN will not make you a good human being. Infact QQURRAN will make you supremacist, QQUURRAAN will not allow you to think rationally,logically,scientifically. Infact you will be a Zombie a mechanical person. Conclusive proof is provided by – a few people who converted to ISLAM became ZIHADIST killers at young age . It proves that ISLAM turns you into a monster. ISLAM teaches hatred,intolerance, violence,inequality,discrimination against nonmoslems and women,dogma,ill will against nonmoslems, supremacism and any other evil qualities.

  263. I get all my information from Islamic sources and I always give reference to them. Facts are not as Muslim present. Hind for example was Muhammad’s mother in law. So it was not convenient to kiill her. Also he promised the Meccans not to kill them if they surrendered without a fight. There is much more detail to history that Muslims often don’t tell.

    Meanwhile please watch this very informative video. http://www.faithfreedom.org/videos-features/who-killed-muhammad.

  264. You are here to prove us all that most muslims are so damaged to an extent that they will not disapprove evil which is screaming before their eyes. The stage is yours, lets see wha you got for us.

  265. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SEX ADDICT(PBUH) IS FROM THE TOILET PAPER BOOK

  266. hi mr sina,
    i just found ur website and i find it quite offensive. i just wanna know a couple of things.
    1- how do u say mohammed is cruel? when he forgave and set free war prisioners. he even forgave hinda who chewed on mohammed's beloved uncle's heart.
    2- where are you getting all this information and based on what proof u are accusing islam. i am here to prove u wrong.

  267. Likewise culture, community, and friends.

  268. It would have been fine since Muhammad is Allah.

  269. @FARAZ

    Faraz, please could I have your take on the following two Quranic verses, when translated from the original Arabic into English ?

    The explanations of the original Arabic within brackets or parentheses have been provided by Abdullah Al Araby

    In Sura 112:1
    "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only..”.

    [ In the original Arabic, the word which was translated "Only" in this verse was actually "One of." The translator couldn't literarily translate it, because it would have implied "shirk" (associating other Deities with Allah).]

    In Sura 33:056
    “Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.”

    [The phrase “send blessings” was originally “pray upon”. The translator didn’t think it is appropriate to say that God and His Angels would pray upon (inferring praying to) the prophet Mohamed, so he had to change it to “send blessings.”]

  270. Shakila, thanks for pointing out the site, it summaries from Quran etc. in easy readable form !

  271. With all due respect to Christians. Jesus Christ was no God incarnate, but a great teacher and he said YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.Shakila you have the courage tolisten toyour concience (ie GOD) and accept what is true to your concience.No.2 the great conflict in humans life is not between the GOOD and EVIL its between TRUTH and LIES.Mohammad preached I assume (because Idont know much about Islam)that we are not good .and that we are not perfect. That is the greatest lie.WE ARE ALL PERFECT.Mohammad Hitler SaddamHosien Khomieni were what evil is and IF there is hell they are all there together.Ihave not even one ounce of respect for Islam .Iguess we have to feel really sorry for muslims trapped in bondage.God less

  272. Your identity is yourself, your experience, your thought, and your physical body. Religion is not your true identity because it can be replaced.

  273. Translate his posts as follows: "Muslims are superior, so whatever I say to make you feel better about Islam is true."

  274. Karen Armstrong is a dhimmi result of Saudi petrodollar corruption of US university Middle East Studies departments. Walid Phares details this in his 2010 book, "The Coming Revolution: Struggle for Freedom in the Middle East" (timely prophecy considering today's headlines). Significant portions of the book can be read free in Amazon's book preview function.

  275. This site also proved to be very useful..

    http://www.islamreview.com/articles.htm

  276. Let me add that it is not easy to accept the truth. It has just been a couple of months since I started reading articles by Daniel Pipes and Ali Sina.. I read his book “Understanding Mohammed” and now I started Ibn Warraq’s book “Why I am not a Muslim”. It feels very strange to lose your identity. I don’t have a God to pray anymore. I don’t have to say InshAllah, MashAllah, SubhanAllah after every sentence and I don’ t have to say Bismilah before starting anything.. I still get nightmares of hell even now, I see fire and hot iron chains and devils etc.. Ever since I was born, the image of hell has been imbibed in me and it is not easy to banish that horrible picture from your mind overnight. It is a fact that I feel very liberated that I don’t have to pray five times a day, I don’ t have to plan my life and my activities around the time of prayers.. No I can’t make it at 6 bcoz Magreb is at 6.15, lets make it at 7 so that I can pray magreb at home and then leave.. That was the kind of life I lead.. My daily routine used to be weaved around the time of azaan and namaaz.. I used to switch of my car stero if I passed by a masjid or heard azaan bcoz that is what I was taught.. My life was a screwed up prison with rules and regulations.. I used to feel guilt, guilt and guilt all the time.. I was extremely UNHAPPY and i have been on anti depressants for most of my adult life.. Only now I realized that the main source of my depression and unahppiness was the evil cult called Islam.. But now thanks to you Ali, I am free and for the first time, really happy from within..

  277. What varies is the extent of the knowledge behind the devotion. Muslim society is divided between the literate (ulama) and illiterate (ummiyah) so that religious knowledge is not part of Muslim culture in much the way that in the past only priests had access to the Bible. For example, in Donna Lee Bowen's presentation at an October 1981 BYU symposium on Islam, "Moroccan Women's Integration of Family and Religion", the uneducated women discussing issues have only one reference point – whatever is good is Islamic and whatever is not good is un-Islamic.

  278. I am grateful you have found your freedom and happiness. Please be careful about your safety.

  279. Thank you once again Ali for showing me the right way.. Actually for giving me the courage to do something that perhaps I always wanted to do.. To tell you the truth. I have always been very inquisitive even as a child and my mind used to ask several questions regarding the illogic of Islam but I never had the guts or the courage to voice out my doubts lest people accuse and execute me of blasphemy.. Islam never made much sense to me and the mere reason I used to pray five times and fast in ramadan was because it was more of a culture and habit. My parents used to do that so I had to do it.. Specially since I live in a Middle Eastern country, everyone around me does it. But I have always been a feminist at heart… Everyone knows how anti-feminist Islam is so how can someone like me truly devote herself to Islam. I never wore the hijab and I always said noone can make me wear one.. I rejected several marriage propsals from men because they laid conditons that I should wear hijaab.

    Thanks to Ali Sina, for the first time in my life I feel totally liberated from a sham, a lie called Islam. I have read his book which was a total eye opener for me. Thanks Ali for helping me come out of this trap and for leaving the cult. I am eternally grateful to you..

    Shakila

  280. There are many mistakes you had made such as:

    1. No source
    2. No tafsir and context
    3. Twisting the primary meaning of Islam
    4. Ignoring the sword verses.

  281. Subjective words without evidence. Don't post without knowing what fundamentalist is. All you need to do is simple, connect the act with the teaching and principle, the very core mission of each religions.

    Karen Armstrong can come here and debate if she wants it. The door is always opened.

  282. The problem is that the lack of reference about this burying act. Another problem is the narration off ansari women who had bigger rights compared to Muhammad's standard and of course Aisha's saying about "no women suffer more than believing women".

  283. I agree with you, except that I think you have one extra zero in your number of years. I belive this regime will fall soon and Iran will be a democratic country. It is the only Middle Eastern country that is ready for democracy. Then even Baha\’is will be free.

  284. Hi Ali Sina, I want the world to know that Iran is the only Pislamic country, where minorities dont have to worry about their faith.Except for the Bahai and that ofcource only with this brutal regeme.one more thing, this is my prediction Iran will be a minority Islamic country after say a hundred year.(two ,three generations)Your opinion please.

  285. YOU SAID "The pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia had an irrational prejudice against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) was totally opposed to this practice. He showed them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell:"

    Come come Faraz miyan, this explanation surely is childish, to say the least !

    Any sane rational human of any religion or of none (i.e. atheist/agnostic) would be against this 'child burying practice', male or female. If Muhammad was against such a practice, that showed no pious Godlike inclination ! He did not have to invoke 'hell fire' to warn against such a heinous crime !

    A few Hindus have indulged in similar female infanticide and they ought to be condemned for this crime against humanity !

  286. YOU SAID "Before the advent of Islam women were often treated worse than animals"

    From the evidence in the Quran, Hadiths and Sira, this appears unlikely.

    Else, how could Khadija (Muhammad's future first wife) be in a commanding position in business matters in pre-Islamic times, so much so that she had employed Muhammad to run her affairs ?

    Since the advent of Islam, women generally have never achieved such exalted position in trade and commerce !

    This one example suggests a deterioration of of women's right after Islam cane into being.

    Here, I would ignore Indian female muslim Shahnaz Hussain's success, since she has achieved all that principally amongst kafirs in India, UK and USA.

    I have yet to come across any internationally famous business woman from muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Turkey.

  287. YOU SAID "She has perfect liberty to choose her husband".

    Did six year old Aisha have this liberty when Muhammad decided to marry her ?

  288. Goodness gracious ! It is just as well one of Muhammad's many wives did not apply this muslim law on him when he was caught out screwing Maria after having sent his wife away to her father on a false pretext !!

  289. Another law that show women in Islam are superior to men is that if a mand sees his wife with another man and kills her, that is considered manslaughters and the punishment is not sever. But if a woman sees her husband having sex with another woman and kills her, it is considered murder and she should be killed. The explenation is that the woman could be the husband’s other wife that that her killer did not know.

  290. In your comments, you imply the Quran glorifies women and that "women in Islam are equally ranked as men but even superior than him in many situations"– your comments in quotes.

    Can you then please explain why women suffer the following six inferior rights, compared to muslim men ?

    1) A muslim man can have up to 4 wives simultaneously, a muslim woman cannot have more than one husband at any one time.

    2) A muslim man can marry a Jewish or Christian woman beside a muslim woman, a muslim woman is only permitted to marry a muslim man.

    3) A muslim husband can BEAT his wife on "mere suspicion of rebellion", while a muslim wife cannot do so even if he is lecherous, cruel and unfair !

    4) A muslim man can divorce his spouse merely by repeating the word "talaq" thrice and he is not required to assign any reason for his decision, while a muslim woman cannot do so.
    [I know you'll say the woman has right to "apply" for a 'khula divorce' in a Sharia court, but rights wise, the two aren't the same, are they ? The procedure for a 'khula divorce' is long-winded and cumbersome where the onus of proof lies on the wife; even if she wins (this happens rarely !), she loses the 'mehr amount' as well as custody of the children]

    5) In inheriting from deceased parents' property, a muslim son gets twice what the daughter gets !

    6) In a Sharia court, the witness of one man is equal to that of two women.

    There are other instances of inequality for women in Islam, but for the moment the above six would suffice. WHERE IS THE EQUALITY FOR WOMEN IN THE ABOVE ?

    Do not the above six proven instances constitute OPPRESSION OF WOMEN IN ISLAM ?

    Please remember, all of the above are drawn from Islamic sources, i.e. the Quran, the Hadiths and the Sira; do not point out deficiencies of other religions when commenting on the above.

    Please remember like all other religions, Islam too has to stand or fall on its own merits/demerits.

    Other religions may or may not have deficiencies, but Islam sure has too many, muslims simply cannot explain them away.

    As an example, Islam has the cruel practice of killing apostates ( re: Quran & Hadiths), esp. in muslim majority countries. Other religions do not have this provision, but that's neither here nor there ! Islam kills muslims who have abandoned Islam, that is monstrous, period !

    Lastly, I request you not to indulge in profanities (abuses) and insults. Let us discuss in a rational and logical way !

  291. "women as called by prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the twin half of men. So, women in Islam are equally ranked as men but even superior than him in many situations; as detailed below."

    We can see woman walking around as tents covered in black head toe while their men are free of this burden. This does not taste like equality to me.

    Remind me again, is it not the case that husbands is allowed to beat their wives when they disobey? If this is equality before your eyes then I wonder if we share similar understanding of the concept of equality.

  292. Faraz, It appears like you can only cite one or two incidences to demonstrate fundamentalists in other religions apart from Islam. How can a sacred book be misunderstood by thousands if not millions of its believers. How many incidences of Islamic terrorist attackstook place in the world since 911. Personally I do not think there is any misunderstanding here especially if one can stop denying the trueth. The trueth will always speak volumes. This site has opened most of people's eyes including myne. I just want to thank the founders of this site, mainly Dr Ali Sina.

  293. I am more skeptical where was the muslims out in their thousands (if not millions) condeming 9-11 and demanding bin laden be bought to justice? Where was the egyptians,pakistanis,palestians and so on? These people are very much in minority i think in most islamic countries doubters are rare (very rare even) believers are common.

  294. Whenever you are ready to face the truth ask me and I will send you my book. It is translated into Urdu. The Urdu translation is more uptodate than the one I give for free.

  295. He may know what Islam is but most Muslims don\’t have a clue. A good example was Shakila who said she was shocked when she read the Quran. For the first timje she stopped praying and she feels liberated. For some people the awakening is more painful, Zakaria in who posts hear is one such person and I am another. I really admire those who see the truth and are ready to accept it. I couldn\’t. I denied it for two years.

  296. "Most Muslims like you have no clue what Islam is". Don`t be so sure of that look closely at what he wrote. "It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will into practice at every level–personal and social as well as political." This person knows full what islam is, they may disagree with bin ladens methods but the goal is the same.

  297. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion. If the evil carnage we witnessed on Sept. 11 were typical of the faith, and Islam truly inspired and justified such violence, its growth and the increasing presence of Muslims in both Europe and the U.S. would be a terrifying prospect. Fortunately, this is not the case.
    The very word Islam, which means "surrender," is related to the Arabic salam, or peace.
    The primary meaning of the word jihad is not "holy war" but "struggle." It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will into practice at every level–personal and social as well as political.
    Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2: 256). Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the "People of the Book," who worship the same God (29: 46). In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another" (49: 13)–not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.

  298. Most Muslims like you have no clue what Islam is and that is why the world is not a hell. If all Muslims behaved as Muhammad wanted, there would be Armageddon. Of course Muslims will perish, but so will a large number of non-Muslims.

    However, most Muslims are utterly ignorant of Islam and they are not evil people. They are simply lied to. Once they learn the truth they will leave Islam. How can I say this with certainty? It’s because any person who read my book has left Islam. So to destroy Islam all we have to do is to spread the knowledge in that book. This is just a tactical matter. I know of one way to spread this knowledge to a vast number of people and I am working towards that.

  299. women as called by prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the twin half of men. So, women in Islam are equally ranked as men but even superior than him in many situations; as detailed below.

    In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Quran says:

    "And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Noble Quran 2:228]

    The Quran, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression, 'believing men and women' to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits. It says:

    "For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward." [Noble Quran 33:35]

    The Quran admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

    "O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." [Noble Quran 4:19]

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was full of praise for virtuous and chaste women. He said:
    "The world and all things in the world are precious but the most precious thing in the world is a virtuous woman. He once told the future khalifah, 'Umar: "Shall I not inform you about the best treasure a man can hoard? It is a virtuous wife who pleases him whenever he looks towards her, and who guards herself when he is absent from her."

    Before the advent of Islam women were often treated worse than animals. The Prophet wanted to put a stop to all cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: "Fear Allah in respect of women." And: "The best of you are they who behave best to their wives." And: "A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good." And: "The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."

    In Islam a woman is a completely independent personality. She can make any contract or bequest in her own name. She is entitled to inherit in her position as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has perfect liberty to choose her husband. The pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia had an irrational prejudice against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) was totally opposed to this practice. He showed them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell:

    Woman as mother commands great respect in Islam. The Noble Quran speaks of the rights of the mother in a number of verses. It enjoins Muslims to show respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they are still unbelievers. The Prophet states emphatically that the rights of the mother are paramount. Abu Hurayrah reported that a man came to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is the person who has the greatest right on me with regards to kindness and attention?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your father."

    In another tradition, the Prophet advised a believer not to join the war against the Quraish in defense of Islam, but to look after his mother, saying that his service to his mother would be a cause of his salvation. Mu'awiyah, the son of Jahimah, reported that Jahimah came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and said, "Messenger of Allah! I want to join the fighting (in the path of Allah) and I have come to seek your advice." He said, "Then remain in your mother's service, because Paradise is under her feet."

  300. So why the suicide bombing, the hijacking and the massacre of innocent civilians? Far from being endorsed by the Koran, this killing violates some of its most sacred precepts. But during the 20th century, the militant form of piety often known as fundamentalism erupted in every major religion as a rebellion against modernity. Every fundamentalist movement I have studied in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is convinced that liberal, secular society is determined to wipe out religion. Fighting, as they imagine, a battle for survival, fundamentalists often feel justified in ignoring the more compassionate principles of their faith. But in amplifying the more aggressive passages that exist in all our scriptures, they distort the tradition.

    It would be as grave a mistake to see Osama bin Laden as an authentic representative of Islam as to consider James Kopp, the alleged killer of an abortion provider in Buffalo, N.Y., a typical Christian or Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 worshipers in the Hebron mosque in 1994 and died in the attack, a true martyr of Israel. The vast majority of Muslims, who are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11, must reclaim their faith from those who have so violently hijacked it.

    Karen Armstrong has written many books on religion, including Islam: A Short History, published last year by Modern Library.

  301. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion. If the evil carnage we witnessed on Sept. 11 were typical of the faith, and Islam truly inspired and justified such violence, its growth and the increasing presence of Muslims in both Europe and the U.S. would be a terrifying prospect. Fortunately, this is not the case.
    The very word Islam, which means "surrender," is related to the Arabic salam, or peace.
    The primary meaning of the word jihad is not "holy war" but "struggle." It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will into practice at every level–personal and social as well as political.
    Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2: 256). Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the "People of the Book," who worship the same God (29: 46). In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another" (49: 13)–not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.

  302. how many muslims think like you fadil ???

  303. There is a muslim who keep asking about Hinduism here. Why don't you enlighten it?

  304. As an Indian, I understand your intentions, but people not native to India will only see what you write and will not see the whole story of why you're angry.

    So for this reason, and the reason that this distracts from Ali Sina's goal of educating people about Islam, I kindly ask that you not talk about Christianity or Christian missionary work in India.

    Thanks for your reply. Take Care.

  305. darkfire316: I concur with you and know that crusades are defensive. In all my responses , I also mention clearly that christianity has become civilized now. sepration of church and state ,freedom,democracy,equality are the hallmarks of western countries – these universal values are absent in all moslem countries. I also agree with you , in principle , that the discussion on this forum and on this topic should be relevant to ISLAM as this forum is meant for exposing the truth about ISLAM. But Hindu dharma as a special case is brought into the discussion to bring awareness to the world – to show that even this day and age lot of aggression,hostility, unrelenting assault ,coupled with misinformaton,disinformation is going on from ISLAMISTS and CHRISTIAN missionaries, against HINDU DHARMA. I want to highlight that wherever it needs to be done.

  306. ….

    The problem with we human beings is that we are not truly SINCERE in our inquiry of the truth. Our conditioned mind, personal prejudices/agendas, egos come forth when we discuss any of the conflicts around us, be them personal, national or international. Most of the time we discuss the issues only superficially due to the lack of awareness, because of political-correctness and indulge ourselves into endless debates (that merely become the display of personal knowledge) without looking at the root cause of the problem.

    Islam or no-Islam, religion or no-religion, God or no-God; all human conflicts will remain be there unless there takes place a radical change in human mind that, in-general, is highly corrupt, insensitive, and violent (both psychologically and physically). But if we peel of all those layers of ages old conditioning that has created a corrupt mind and develop an awareness of the things taking place around, there lies the real beauty of the human self.

    Love & Peace to all.

  307. "Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices…." J. Krishnamurti

    How pure and uncorrupt those words are.

    continued…

  308. Mr. Dharma marg noble,

    I ask you to please do some research before you speak offhand about the crusades. It was not an offensive act but a result of 400+ years of jihadi aggression. Quick facts about the crusades:

    "The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

    By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world. " http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Mus

    Furthermore, please keep Christianity out of the discussion and keep it limited to Islam. Any point you are getting across is lost when you engage in this type of discussion.

    Please keep it about Islam.

  309. Hello – You and MUhammad fadil are confused,leanred bad and biased things about HINDU DHARMA from your MOSLEM/ISLAMIC/CHRISTIAN indoctrination and prejudice. Hindu scriptures do not teach,preach, violence,brahmanism and untouchability.It is a total misinformation. Kindness,compassion,nonviolence,vegetarianism are part of HINDU DHARMA. No jihads,no crusades.no proselytization. No dogma ,that is HINDU DHARMA.You need to learn a lot more.Hindu dharma is not an organized religion. First know this what is HINDUISM? What is INDIA ? These are the names given by outsiders,foreigners !!!!!! There was no ARYAN INVASION ,either . ARYANS are INDIANS. LOt of research now available. You became slave of this antiHINDU propaganda that you use this propaganda material without any basis .Can you provide any scientific,liguistic,archeologial evidence ?No. It is all surmise,guesswork.,. On the other hand recentl much research has uncoverewd that ARYANS are INDIANS. None came from outside. Actually it could be otherway , HINDUS migrating out wards .

  310. "is it possible that in the next election secularists might come to power???" No unless they publicly call for islam to be banned, if they don`t do that and work with muslims then they are not going to come to power well they may briefly but they would soon be butchered.

  311. non religious , is it possible that islamists won the recent election because they were better organised. is it possible that in the next election secularists might come to power???i mean with internet an mobile phones tunisians can organise themselves.

  312. It's too big too post here. Each attribute of Muhammad is a very long web page. There are some solutions. Ali Sina suggested a proxy. I have had success with the Tor Browser Bundle. It is easy to use and requires no installation or setup. Pages load slower through Tor, but it works:
    http://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.htm

    or here:
    https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy

    Also, Stephanie mirrors The Challenge at her site. Scroll down a little to find it. Eleven of the twelve attributes are listed under it. You have to read Dr. Sina's book to read about "a madman". He will email a copy of his book to you if you ask:
    http://newstime.co.nz

    Stephanie does report some DNS congestion and suggests to keep trying in case of difficulty accessing.

  313. If course they won\’t keep their words. Khomeini gave so many assurances to Iranians and many smart people allowed him to fool them. Lying is part of the religion of Islam.

  314. You need a proxy server. Go to proxy.org and see if you can access the blocked sites through any proxy server.

  315. Sorry can't access it.. Can you copy and paste it here

  316. I am afraid I can't do that. I mean FFI site is blocked here.. Cannot access it and frankly I doubt if this site will be available much long.. This country has a very rigid firewall and blocks two kinds of websites,, anti Islamic and pornography.. They are infact more strict with the former..

  317. that's what Nesma TV tried to make the tunisian undrestand by "Presplis" movie. but instead of thinking most of them just protested against it!!
    I am afraid about what will happen next in my country :( they said they won't oblige women to wear hijab and they won't allow men to have 4wives…etc do you think that they will keep their words? most of tunisian who vote for Al Nahdha are stupid, they think that will bring back the "real" islam which is the best for us!!! but not the educated ones! we are exteremly against any islamic party! we will fight them!!!!
    P.S: I hate it to agree with you guys but after the revolution and what happened, arabs made it very clear!! we are STUPID!!

  318. I believe sati did use to be practiced. That is why the British Raj banned it. Having said that, i agree that in today's world, no Hindu supports sati.

    There is another instance in the Puranas where a woman threw herself to fire. It was the first consort of Shiva and her name was…. …. Sati. Sati was the daughter of the proud king of prajapatis whose name was Daksha. (prajapatis were creator beings who helped Brahma with creation, and I think they were themselves created by Brahma) Daksha hated Shiva because of his lifestyle and never wanted her daughter to marry Shiva, however he had to give way to Sati's wishes. His hatred for Shiva only grew after the marriage and he also began to hate his own daughter for she had hurt his prestige among the high-class people.

    Daksha stopped inviting Sati/Shiva to any of his yagnas (religious fire ceremonies). When Sati once forced Shiva to attend the yagna, Daksha ridiculed him and kicked him out. Sati was very upset to know what happened and went to meet her father to complain about his behaviour. Daksha didn't care about his daughters' feelings and ridiculed Shiva again. Sati couldn't bear to hear insults towards her husband and killed herself by jumping into the sacrificial fire. (According to Wikipedia, she did this to uphold the honour of her husband)

    When Shiva came to know, he was very angry, and attacked and burned down the yagna ceremony. He cut off proud Daksha's head and replaced it with that of a goat.

    Sati was born again in due time, as Parvati to father Himavan (the mountain himalaya, i think) and mother Mena who were both great devotees of Shiva. When she grew up, she underwent great spiritual austerities and as a result married Shiva again and lived happily ever after.

    As you pointed out about Rama's wife Sita, Sati too immolated herself while her husband was still alive. But then there is a meaning behind this story. Daksha represents pride and arrogance from one's achievements, Sati/ Parvati represent one's life force, and Shiva represents true human self. There was no 'happily ever after' for Sati because she was still attached to Daksha (after all, she was her daughter). One cannot be vain and still be true to his human self and that is why Sati was tormented. When she immolated herself, she cut off all connections to vanity and arrogance. Now she was born as Parvati to a couple who was not vain or arrogant but instead only submitted to true human self. Only now could she live happily with Shiva.

    And the Hindus instead of learning the meanings behind this story, used it as an excuse to burn women to death. Alas! Anyway, to get a idea of why Daksha hated Shiva's lifestyle, watch this video (This is when Shiva went to marry Sati):

    [youtube N89vjUBTlU4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89vjUBTlU4 youtube]

  319. I'm sure I'm not the first one to say this: You are a very brave person and display exceptional frankness & courage to be able to share your thoughts like this.
    .
    I wish you all the very best – and hope you find a fantastic partner who'd share your values & thoughts. And if you find the time, please do read the many articles Dr Sina has posted both here & at FFI (Faith Freedom)..
    .
    MN

  320. Promote Ali site by giving links to various friends of yours. Especially islamic friends.

  321. freak god ?? it was freak mo not the god. No one has seen the God in action. It was Mo and his followers actions all the way.

  322. Usually its the threat of Hell fire in the after life that drives a muslim and a christian. The fear of hellfire or insecurity in life after death can be overcome by living in the present. There are therapies to recover past life memories on you. Take them and see of your own.

  323. Your claim of High caste usurping the power of low caste people had me search for answers and found that they high caste did it amongst themselves too.

    Kindly check for inheritance fights. They would have been no different than using casteism to usurp power.

  324. But jumping into fire is not sati. The husband of sita was alive at that time and infact he had been victorious in battle. So it 'cannot' be sati. Most probable was that of Rajput woman throwing themselves into fire after their husbands were slain. Hindu wars were fought on battlefields and not in the middle of the city or town of the populace. The Rajput kings had enough woman for themselves to go lusting for other woman. So it was the islamic raid for Hindu wealth and the Mohammadean necrophilia that drove woman to commit sati en masse. Killing of girl child and favouring of male baby over female is also a relic of the islam raid and loot on India. If you notice girl child being killed will exist in military castes in India.

  325. Kindly answer to what he wrote. Spewing words generally saying Abrahamic religion is wrong, makes you look a like muslim appologist.

    Regarding his accusation of Using Sati to murder widows:

    Here is my reply, Sati is the ritual of woman killing themselves by leaping into funeral fire built for their deceased husband. If you look in any of the vedas, gita or hindu scripture only one instance of woman entering a fire is mentioned. That is of the Sita entering the fire to prove her fidelity to her husband ram.

  326. Hey don't worry my parnets are not doing any such thing.. I do not give them this right,, I am very liberal woman and I live alone and make my own decisions. I am 35 years old and so far they have not been able to marry me off to some hardcore mulla so there is no chance they are ever going to do that in this life anyway..
    But thanks for your concern..
    Regards

  327. Well, better is a relative term. Is it better to be higher and falling or lower and climbing?

    Iran is nearly at rock bottom, and will likely throw off Islam when the current regime collapses.

    Turkey has been Ataturk's model of secularism, but is now falling away from that.

    Turkey's military used to enforce their constitutional mandate to prevent an Islamic government from arising. Now massive arrests have accused officers of conspiracy to topple the government, and the top military leaders recently resigned in protest.

    Turkish secularists have lost the last two elections. Islamists don't give power back easily. Who was Turkey trying to kid with the Egypt statement? Most likely Western observers of both Turkey and Egypt. I doubt Erdogan has converted to secular democracy.

  328. in turkey secularists can win election.in iran i doubt if the government allow any secularists to contest the election.also recently turkish prime minister was advocating secularism in egypt.Now he may not be sincere but still turkey is way better than iran.

  329. Sorry to disappoint but monotheism is not logical and it was born from human concept. When you describe something you have to use what you know as a human. Labeling "one" into something that beyond your grasp is not logical, it's limiting god into mere number with limited characteristic that define something to be unique and create personality. Human characteristic is unique too if we want to compare it objectively.

    Creating monotheism is not hard, there are many religions that are monotheistic.

  330. Of course there is no limit to stupidity because human is the most intelligent creature and that means it's capable of doing anything between smart and stupid, often confused between the 2.

  331. The Hizbullah is funded by the Islamic regime. Without it they too will die.

    Iranians never look at Arabs. They consider Arabs inferior and they feel animosity against Arabs for what they did to Iran. Strangely they blame Arabs and not Islam. When Iranians decide to get rid of Islam, and they will when this regime is gone, they don't care what their neigbours say. Call it racism but Persians don't think Arabs are as civilzed and as intteligent as they are.

    12 years ago I was active in a Persian forum and had to convince the members that Arabs are not to be blamed. They are just as victims of Islam as we are.

  332. Should and would are two different things. They should but will they?

    To take over the control of a country you don\’t have to be the majority. If 10% of the population believes in something strongly they will overcome the other 90% who are not strong believer in anything.

  333. Opposition to whom? The Truks elected an Islamic government and are now vey much Islamists today than they were two decades ago.

  334. Ok I understand that you were born in a muslim household and do not open up about your beliefs for reasons of security. And I think it is wise to do whatever it takes to stay safe. However, our aim here is to destroy Islam. If you understand that Islam is evil and dangerous both to believers and kafirs, you should totally cut yourself from it including its monotheism.

    Dr. Sina does not call himself a muslim even though he too notices some good things like charity etc. He says "I WAS a muslim". He says "I am a EX-muslim". He has cut himself completely from Islam. He does so because he understands that even though there may be a handful of good things in Islam, overall it is a evil religion and therefore it is best to ditch it completely.

    But you muddy the waters when you call yourself a muslim. When other people read statements like "I am a muslim still I encourage rational thoughts and freedom of everybody" , they think it is possible to be muslim and still encourage rational thoughts and freedom, something islamo-aware people like us know is not true.

    You like monotheism…. well there is monotheism in other religions too. Christianity is monotheistic, Buddhism is and so is Hinduism (If you are someone who has done some studying of Hinduism, click thumbs up if you agree that Hinduism is monotheistic). Or how about Sikhism, they do not have any symbols of God, or murtis in their worship places, and their God does not threaten you with hellfire for equating him with others because he knows that there are no other gods.

    So why do you want to stick with Islam? Islam LIES about monotheism. It says you are committing shirk if you equate Allah with other gods. Well how the hell can we equate the one God with other gods WHEN THERE ARE NO OTHER GODS. And Islam calls it the most serious shirk, the only one that Allah will never forgive. How is that sensible? If you think and try to figure out what was going on, you realize that it was actually Muhammad who did not want people to go to any other temple, church, spiritual teacher or whetever. He wanted everyone to be FULLY obedient to him and him only. When he taught people about monotheism, he had his own interest in his heart, not the follower's interest, and he ended up teaching them the incorrect definition of monotheism.

    So my brother in humanity, you say monotheism is the only thing you like in Islam but truth is that your sticking with Islam is actually KEEPING YOU from properly understanding monotheism. So please cut yourself completely from Islam, at least on this website. Islam has nothing that is not available somewhere else, except ignorance of course.

  335. Muhammad fadil : you are writting your own biased,prejudiced imaginations and concoctions. For thousand years HINDUS and INDIA was under slavery. During that time the so called ABRAHAMIC religions ISLAM &christianity devastated the word with their jihads and crusades. They divided the world between themselves .Look at the world map today.57 islamic countries and equal nuber of Christian countries. Know how the world was conquered by ISLAM and christianity,enslaved,converted,colonized,ruled.During their rule they wrote whatever they want – all lies,distortions and dis information.& in favour of themselves. They wrote each that theirs is the true religion, God chose them,their language,their people. They have a direct line to GOD and because of this they have the right to heaven and all others,nonbelievers are sinners and will go to hell and burn there for eternal.
    Hindu dharma is born in peace (OM shanthi,shanthi shanthi – means peace within, without and in the universe ) On the contrast both ISLAM and christianity were born in violence,killing. You should know the other motto (saying of ) HINDU DHARMA is VASUDHIKA
    KUTUMBAKAM (whole universe is one family.) CONTD……

  336. I think you would find other religions offer much, much more. Islam is pretty much devoid of spiritual content, and thus you find yourself in a position such that you cannot find anything good to say about it except that it is monotheistic.

    I think more to the heart of the matter here is the fact that you live in a Muslim community and don't want to rock the boat. I think this is a legitimate position, but since you no longer believe the doctrines of a religion that doesn't allow disagreement with any doctrine, it is really a lack of integrity to continue to call yourself a Muslim. You can be an ex-Muslim secretly, but don't deceive yourself.

  337. shakila
    Good question, well answered by Sina. Welcome to the reality of human equality.

  338. Dear know the enemy,
    Is there any single word in my whole comment where I defend islam, or prophet? no. I was just answering her quest for identity & I didn’t threaten her for leaving islam. Boss, there are millions of people who represent their religion by their names. Actually they don’t even know the basic principles of their respective religion, and moreover they don’t even mind to know it. I am not a deciever, I don’t justify any of the Quranic verses, because it would be a foolish act to defend, as the words by itself means what it say. I don’t follow the commands of Quran word by word. I live by the social norms of my country where I live. I don’t promote islam to anybody. And for changing the religion, l am a normal person & I don’t want to make any revolutionary move which will not help my life anyway & fell into unwanted controversies. Also I see the monotheism logical to me, the only thing I like in islam, which no other religion offers. So let it go in that way making no problem to the thorn and the leaf.

  339. "I am a muslim still I encourage rational thoughts and freedom of everybody"

    You seem a very good person. Therefore, just in case you did not read the last couple of paragraphs in this article, I am posting the last one for you-

    "So far you did not know that Islam is evil, but now you know. From now on it is criminal to call yourself a Muslim. I have more respect for the suicide bomber that I have for shameless deceivers such as Zuhdi Yasser, Irshad Manji, Tarik Fatah and others like them who denounce everything Islam teaches and say Islam is not this. They are deceiving the people. And they will continue deceiving as long as they find an audience"

    I only posted the last paragraph but it is best to read the last five for better understanding of what Dr. Sina is conveying.

  340. Muhammad had epileptic seizures that caused his hallucinations. When he stopped having them, he was afraid Allah had abandoned him, so there is some indication he sincerely believed his calling. Yet he also had Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is evident in his attitudes in the Suras. Reading the Suras in their context of the Sira shows how he abused the idea of a divine endorsement for his selfish and criminal purposes in accordance with his personality disorder.

  341. Let's save the Muslims now while we can.

  342. muhammed,
    few things.
    Sati is not mentioned in the Vedas at all and definitely not in the Gita. Also, it was a custom that very rarely only queens performed when their kings died. Ordinary widows did not commit sati. With Islamic invasions, there was another custom that became common with Hindu royal women – called jauhar. All that is over now.

    Vedic religion coincides with the arrival of the Aryans from the Russian steppe region. Because of the obvious physical differences between the fair visitors and the darker Indians, the caste system was born.

    There is more to the complex story of Hinduism. There are several bad things in Hinduism. But if those evils were gone, Hinduism will still have a lot to offer.

  343. No wonder Dr Albert Einstein exclaimed that there is no limit to human stupidity! Look at Libya and you'll certainly agree with me.

  344. Those Libyans are all dumb creatures, braindead zombies.

  345. Force will stop them what else?

  346. Hello Shakila,
    Anyway you have erased islam from your mind, I don’t know where you are from. However don’t expose your views openly in your society, it will be dangerous to you. If you have really changed your mindset then don’t marry a muslim if you haven’t married yet, that is much better. I think Ali Sina didn’t understand your quest for identity. I hope you are in the quest for your spiritual identity. Never mind, spirituality has nothing to do with religion. “Do not believe in anything if somebody says so, or it is claimed by some authorities, or it has been said by your forefathers, or if I have said it, unless it is consistent within your logic and commonsense”. These are not my words but somebody elses, but it is enlightening words. Religion is blind faith & spirituality is the continuous quest for reality. I am a muslim still I encourage rational thoughts and freedom of everybody. Best wishes for your new perception of identity.

  347. Dr. Sina,

    Although I do agree with you that the majority of the Iranians long for democracy and hate Islam, what is stopping outside interference from toppling this movement? Iran is surrounded by Islamic countries even if it decides to leave Islam.

    As of now Iran is playing a proxy war in Iraq, Lebanon, etc. What is to stop a group like Hezbollah or the Saudis from spreading more jihadi attacks and violence within Iran? What is to stop them from funding such activities and sending foot soldiers across the border or using Iranian homegrown sleeper cells within the country to stop everything that we dream and wish to come true?

  348. Hello Dharma marg noble,
    Actually vedic ideology was not so a peaceful religion within itself, eg. caste system, sathi, brahmin worship, untouchability etc. The trace of Buddha’s teaching of non violence and universal human brotherhood which were included into the vedic philosophy when hinduism was at its decline, makes the modern brahmanism a non-violent philosophy, otherwise the backward caste would have been the slaves of forward caste even today. Thanks to Buddhism, muslim invaders and British rule. Truely speaking hindus are more tolerent than others except buddhists in modern time. So only Pakistan exist in the world map. Personally I love vedic religion because of it’s other attributes mentioned by you and utmost the greatest verse jagath mithya Brahmam sathya which I have felt to be true to my perception of reality inspite of being a muslim by name.

  349. Shakila, I wish you good luck in your quest to find your true human self. But be careful, do NOT reveal your apostasy to anyone.

  350. I am afraid Iran had something like Arab revolutions 32 years ago. Yes I hope I am wrong, but the evidence show that the Muslim Brotherhood is taking control of Egypt and Libya.

  351. Mohammed did not invent those things people believed in them a long time before mohamed came along.

  352. Alisina,

    Why mohamed invented this bogus character like jinns, satans, angels, demon, gabriel, talking birds, allah..etc etc…which mention in koran..is this character really exist which muzzies blindly worship this violent character?

  353. By the way @Shakila, islamic terrorism is allover the world since its begging and it will never end because koran can't be change. but, before writing this article to Alisina, did you ever read terror diary of rapist mohamed in which he mentioned his crimes of rape, loot, terrorism, plunder, slavery, anti-women, burkha, animal sex/sacrifice, beheading, stoning to death, not only he shamelessly wrote his cruel crimes in koran & hadith but also he told muzzies that to follow him as his the idol role-model of entire muzzies.

  354. Hello, Ali Sina.

    1.Promote your site and wonderful intellectual articles on facebook. there are millions of members on facebook who cruel mock filthy terrorist islam..they'll enjoy commenting your article on facebook…just create your official page.

    2. I saw you on twitter, but no post since months so, (Just reminding you)

    3.This dirty brainwash muzzi will never understand the language of rational mind, just mock-out this bastarrds like rapist mohammed mocks non-muslims in koran.

    4. Pedophilia worshiper aka muslums always claims that allah is the creator of the world, so we can terrorize whole world by force, deception or anyother violent method. so, first clear them that in your next article that allah was the freak pagan moon idol else nothing, mohmed used name allah to fulfill his evil games, rape as many as women…islam is a big scam created by mohamed. tell them mohmed made allah to hide his evil deeds else nothing. otherwise. muzzi thinks allah create this earth so non-muslims have no right this is bogus claim by koran. tell bloody muzzi who how world been created and moon allah used been used. thanks!

  355. Shakila@

    After few years your parents will marry you to some islami hardcore mulla then same cook halal meat for him, produce 4-8 future jihadi who will try to harm kaffur like Rapist & terrorist mohammod did and wrote in his terror book koran, hadith, sira. hence, you'll keep paddling the hate which terrorist mohammed left after producing your offspring. The only solution is to kill all Islamist just like muslims ruthlessly killed 290+ millions, raped millions, destroyed millions of families since last 1400 years..continue till today.

  356. Sir: Are you joking ? It amazes me and perplexes me that you are not fully aware of the philosophy of HINDU DHARMA ? It is universal,positive,all inclusive,no dogma,but most tolerant in the annals of human history, it is not organized, no central authority to dictate,and impose. Hindu dharma is nonpredatory, not proselytising, (no missionary activity), it is the most peace loving, most nonviolent, promoting vegetarianism. Hindu dharma based on self realization (individual's journey of spiritual self discovery and reaching God ) Hindu dharma provides space,freedom,liberty,for all including atheists – none excluded. Hindus in their entire history , never invaded other 's on the basis of religion,never imposed,conquered,enslaved,subjugated, or ruled on religious basis. BHAGAVADGITA is addressed to humanity, non sectarian.

  357. Shakila, you are just wonderful. Ali Sina has said it like no other could. Believe that, all right thinking persons will admonish you to leave Islam and continue being the wonderful person that you, naturally, are. To remain in Islam means clearly, living against your human grain,I am sure Dr. Ali will advise you on the right steps to take to overcome any obstacle to assuming your rightiful freedom.

  358. Thanks Lorraine.. I hope I can find myself soon.. I am really tired of playing this game for the last 35 years..

  359. It's nice to see you finding yourself. You have the support of everyone here.

  360. This is the root of Muslim economic dysfunction. They are too dependent on jizya and war booty. There was a recent fatwa calling for Muslims to be more diligent in stealing or otherwise exploiting kafirs to increase the rightful revenue stream to Muslims.

    Thanks for the insight on the varying levels of brutality in Muslim history. Of course, Strategy Page says that as recently as the 15th Century, Sultan Mehmet II was capable of beheading "on an industrial scale."
    http://www.strategypage.com/cic/docs/cic340b.asp
    (lower half of page)

  361. Unfortunately in the Arab Spring countries, democratic forces are 20% or less.

  362. i wish you would be wrong.anyways do you think iran will have something like arab revolution within a decade.

  363. i think arabs fought for democracy.so once they come to realize that islamists are acting like dictators they should throw them out too.

  364. Iranians never knew what was ahead.can't arabs learn from iranian experience.i am sure secularists know about iranians.don't you think those arab countries will become more like turkey.in turkey opposition is much more powerful than in iran.

  365. It is all deja vu. This script was played in Iran 32 years ago.

  366. Maybe I was a Hindu in my previous incarnation. LOL

  367. Also Iranians yearned for democracy when they overthrew the Shah. But they got an Islamic regime instead. Now if the Arabs are smart and learn from the Iranian experience they will not allow Islamists to take power at any cost, but if they fail the Iranian experience will be repeated there too.

  368. John, the explenation is that Muslims after Muhammad and his savage companions were never as evil hearted as they were. If they could destroy every trace of humanity in them and become as brain dead as say Umar, they would have massacred the non-Muslims everywhere. However the non-Muslims were a source of income for them so they did not exterminate them.

  369. Thanks everyone for your support and understanding.. I am still in the initial stages of discovering myself and my inner self.. I am still a long away from total liberation.

    There are quite a few things which I need to face before I take any step.. I am sure Ali Sina can help me in that..

    Once again thanks guys..

    Cheers

    Shenila

  370. Last news stated that Libya will use Sharia Law. Too much for "revolution", isn't it?

  371. Wali means close friend, leader, or protector. One word contain different meanings. Blood relation also doesn't important if the family is a kafir, so don't take them as wali either.

  372. lala, the situation in those states is not as simple as the main stream media makes it look. There are many factors working together that will turn those people's dreams of democracy into nightmares. Democracy means rule of the majority. But as enlightened25 pointed out, those arabs have been made to believe that Islam is their solution and so they will vote Islamic parties into power (as happened in Tunisia yesterday).

    Except that democracy is haram in Islam. Once Islamic parties come to power, they will eventually put away with democratic elections. Even if they don't, things can end up as those are in Pakistan and increasingly in Malaysia. In those countries there is democracy to name, but no one can dare do anything that conflicts with Islam. Minorities experience hellish situations there. Would you really want to live in such 'Democracies'?

    Lets hope things turn out the way Dr. Sina says has happened in Iran.

  373. In fact he has read the Quran in Arabic. There's plenty of other sociopathic material in the Quran to go with it. Stop your taqiyya. No one here is buying it.

  374. Who cares about the explanations? It is written in the Quran. Who cares if Muslims are split on whether or not to do what the Quran says?

    There is no war in the Quran. There is only Muhammad's robbery raids and aggressive conquest.

  375. where did you learn Tafsir idiot ?? . There is no verse in Koran that teaches Muslims not take non Muslim as friend . I know the verse you are going to use to prove me wrong. You have misunderstood it because you canot read koran in Arabic . The word Awliyaa does not mean friend no Arabs in the past or present refer to his friends as Awliaa-. Awlityaa in Koran means supporter or allies . In Hadith prophet ised to mean guardian when he stated that no bride is allowed to get married without her Waliy consent . Did he mean her friend of course not dummy .
    Did you use your brain or not ?? A religion which allows you to get married with lady from the people of the book will at the same time forbids you to stay away from them . Knowing that your in laws are going to be non Muslims your children are going to have aunts, uncles , cousins and grand parents non Muslims .Which relationship is stronger to peoiple the one they have with friends or the one they have with their relatives that I mentioned above . does this make sense to you or you are barin dead .

  376. and kill them wherever you find them.

    This is the stupidest lie in the book . when I ask people to explain to me why Non Muslims lived and still live in Muslim lands for 1400 years by the millions if we are urged in Koran to kill them They have no explanation for that . Koran orders us to kill non Muslims wherever we find them and we could not finish the job for 1400 years ??? . You are either brain dead or liar and con man. The reason why this thing did not happens because Muslims did not understand the verse that way you Tafsir and Arabic ignorant understood it . They knew that was one time early Muslims were fighting non Muslims and military order came to kill the enemy combattant during war time and there is nothing wrong with that . The other side also were told by their superiors to do the same to Muslims this is what always happens during war . Do I have to explain to you what is the meaning of war ???.

  377. where did you learn Tafsir idiot ?? . There is no verse in Koran that teaches Muslims not take non Muslim as friend . I know the verse you are going to use to prove me wrong. You have misunderstood it because you canot read koran in Arabic . The word Awliyaa does not mean friend no Arabs in the past or present refer to his friends as Awliaa-. Awlityaa in Koran means supporter or allies . In Hadith prophet ised to mean guardian when he stated that no bride is allowed to get married without her Waliy consent . Did he mean her friend of course not dummy .
    Did you use your brain or not ?? A religion which allows you to get married with lady from the people of the book will at the same time forbids you to stay away from them . Knowing that your in laws are going to be non Muslims your children are going to have aunts, uncles , cousins and grand parents non Muslims .Which relationship is stronger to peoiple the one they have with friends or the one they have with their relatives that I mentioned above . does this make sense to you or you are barin dead .

  378. The problem is the egyptians,tunisians etc think islam is good and is the solution to their problems. According to a 2010 Pew Research Center poll 95% of egyptians said that islam should play a role in the country`s politics http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1814/muslim-public-op

  379. No, Lala. These are about to become Islamic fundamentalist Sharia states. Watch the news. The few who wanted Western democracies were useful tools for the Islamists. Now they are being kicked to the side.

  380. Hi lala, I fully agree with my sweet Dr Ali Sina :*, that Arabs are a couple of decades behind, maybe more. Look at the ME countries now, especially Libya, it's like a dog returns to its vomit.

  381. Hi yusufharto, please be informed that my loving Creator God is not like Muhammad's allah at all. He doesn't takes pleasure or delight in punishing or torturing souls at all. Have you heard of a man named Cornelius in the Bible? Cornelius was a Centurion(, a Roman officer in command of a hundred men and he was a Gentile but he believed in the true God, gave alms to the poor and prayed often to God, though he was not attached to any religion at all ie. Judaism/Christianity. Yet, my loving Creator God loves and bless him and his entire household and answered his prayers.

  382. why do you think arabs are couple of decades behind. they way acted in tunisia, egypt etc doesn't it show they yearn for democracy just like iranians.

  383. As for God is a love and loving creator, I agree with you as long as He doesn't punish those who don't know and worship Him. Unfortunately, according to your teaching He will punish those who don't believe Him. How can you say He is love?

  384. thanks Dr. SINA . Your commentary is the exact introduction to HINDU DHARMA, the universal philosophy, with supremely noble values,principles and ethos.

  385. I think these Arab countries will go the way of Iran. Muslim Brotherhood will take over because they are organized and ruthless. This will be bad in the short run. In the long run, they will make everyone hate Islam, just as now Iranians do. This will close the chapter of Islam for ever. Iran is the only country that is ready for democracy. Arabs are a couple of decades behind, maybe more.

  386. Dear Ali Sina
    what are your thoughts on arab revolution. In Tunisia Islamic party is getting majority.In Libya they are going to implement sharia.do you arab revolution will bring democracy or theocracy.???? Sometimes I feel islam will fall because of the likes of Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat. because when they debate muslims debate. and when muslims debate they will know the truth….

  387. Shakila, Try to surround yourself with people who care like you do and all of you spread the goodness to others for we as humans need this so bad. I dream that one day we can all be together on a nice sunny day all creeds races genders what have you and eat and play with our children together and love one another work for and with one another, and laugh together and never let each other down maybe you and those like you can help us reach this stage all on mount Zion. Whoever falls in love with you and you them they will be one fortunate person in this world and your children so spread the love please.

  388. Shakila, from your description of yourself right away I know that you are a wonderful person. By never judging anyone else for who they are this is who you are and it is beautiful ;stay as sweet as you are do not let anyone change that. Staying liberal with you belief is good but as Ali says to completely dump Islam and any religion is even better because at the end of the day it doesn't define who you really are and how you treat others so why do you even need it? You are doing great just being you and we all want to have such a subtle way like yours for others, but many of us have been brainwashed into indifferences from religions discrimination, and race and financial statues which none of them matter when it comes to truly living a complete life meaningful life guess what like yours Shakila you make others matter you care so Bravo for you and stay humble and grow to be more of who you are by remaining clean and wholesome with yourself and others. continue..

  389. Identity? We all have multiple identities.We may be brothers or sisters, we may be sons or daughters, we may be fathers, husbands etc, these are all identities. Usually there is not much of a clash of these identities.The problem arises when you include religious identity in to this multiple identities.If it is islamic identity, a dominating and demonic idiotic identity, there is bound to be problems with one and all.Islamic identity says all women are unintelligent and as a father or brother you may or may not accept this islamic diktat.A strong islamic identity will ensure that you follow the rule.As a subordinate employee of a non moslem boss, your islamic identity will always lead you to frustration! Islam says non moslems are inferior and dirty, but here is your boss who is non moslems and is not dirty, but drives posher car and is brighter.What do you do? Throw the islamic identity in to the garbage bin, where it always belonged! So keep the islamic identity at the lowest level and never ever think of it as an identity.Islamic identity is like a criminal identity.No one wants to remember his criminal past.Bets is to forget the islamic brainwashing.

  390. Mark 3:23-26 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

  391. Dear Dr Ali Sina <3, I'm glad that you do acknowledge the fact that we are not like robots and it's wise of you to say that differences are necessary and that's the reason why we are created to be different from one another in so many ways ie. finger print. The Author of Love said in Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. So, I hope that you will realize that my loving Creator God paid so much attention on each of us because He is Love and He is our loving Creator God. :)

  392. Powerful stuff!

  393. Yes we are different. Absolute sameness is neither possible nor desirable. Humans are not Coca Cola cans coming out of the same machine and looking all the same. Differences are necessary.

    I am talking about value. Look at your body. You are composed of billions of cells. They are all different, even though essentially they are the same. It is this difference that allows you to be a human. Now although different, all the cells in your body are valuable. None is better or worse. Some are more vital than others but all are equally valuable.

  394. "Anything that divides mankind, under the pretext of race, gender, class, or religion must be opposed and eliminated." Unity is a illusion. Doesn`t everything promote division, isn`t politics division or capitalism or Democracy or indeed the very fact we exist as Individuals? People are not born equal the baby from somalia is not equal to a baby born to a middle class american family.

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