The Infalibility of the Quran

The Infalibility of the Quran

Sir,

The entire Islamic world believes that the Quran is infallible. This belief is so rooted in their psyche that when a Muslim friend of mine introduced me to Islam, he presented this as evidence of the divine origin of the Quran. He argued that because the Quran unlike all other holy books has not been changed it must be from God.

Please reply about this whether the Quran is corrupted or not.

Whether the Quran is infallible or whether it has been corrupted or not are two different subjects.

As for the first question the answer is that the Quran is not infallible. It contains thousands of errors, absurdities, contradictions, inaccuracies and sheer nonsense. It contradicts logic, history, science, the Bible and even itself. It even contains grammatical errors that show its author was an illiterate man.  Hardly can you find a book as absurd as this book. It is so poorly written that I cannot call it literature.

As for the other question, we don’t know. The Quran we have is the one compiled by Othman. He burned all other versions of the Quran so there can be no disagreement among Muslims. It is clear that the other versions must have been different from the one chosen by him otherwise he would not have burned them.  How did he determine his version is the correct one and the other versions are not?  There was no way for him to know for certainty.  It is very possible that his pick was not the right one. However, since all other versions are destroyed, it is impossible to say whether the one we have is the authentic one.

Just see what has happened to the hadiths. Various people have reported the same story is various ways. They defer in details.  The verses of the Quran could have also suffered similar fate, although perhaps not to that extent, because they were memorized.

However, with a little rational thinking, we can assume since Othman had to burn the other versions to avoid discrepancy, this book must have been altered. It is also possible that many of the verses of the present Quran are not what Muhammad said.  The original verses may have been the ones that were burned.  Many verses may have been lost forever. It is also possible that some verses have been added to the Quran that were not originally said by Muhammad.

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  1. like any other religion ,christianity and judaism is known tha men will change the interpretation for their own benefit, especialy the top ones, and the ignorent usely follows,
    but if you search to who is Allah The one and only god and know how he is than read the quran you will understand and like all other books, bible,tora, it is all about worshiping one god , do good and not be attached to the material life, but all who manipulate and interpret to have some benefits is truly diging his own grave, all the prophets peace upon them never ask for money or power or status or forced anything and never harmed another human being,
    what are the problems???? being good ? not asking money to help you?? worhiping One god the one who created you and gave you all what you poses ,and gave you food ,water,clothes,medicines ,pleasures……. can we not thank him for all that he gave us??/
    please rethink your point of view, and try to understand the Creator the Almighty god Allah and repent to him before it is to late , we do not need and intermedier to speak to god , just pray and be patients and you will receive, what do you have to lose to repent to him.
    Me Allah show you the truth and guide you to his merciness

  2. we are not hypnotized by the book but we are cured from the evil forces, when we follow the quran the right way, by doing so we thank the lord Allah that he created us and the universe for us to live in it,
    and when you study the Noble Quran you lean who God is and how he treat us with his merci so much that we can not compare to, people are willing to die for a little bit of fame or money or power or protecting their loved ones or for a better life,
    what would any human being do if he saw a group of blind people walking towards a big hot fire ?? would he not risk his life to prevent them of walking into fire? or would he just sit and drink a cup of tea and enjoy seeing them burned alive????
    the hole reason of God the Almighty Allah have send all the Prophets peace upon them is to save humanity, and all the evil they had to endure for our sake ,
    but of course there are always people who follow their own mind with no evidense to support their point of view ,
    forget everything you know and turn to God and ask him to show you the truth and if you are truly seeking the truth you will get your answer? for God is Near and hear us and do reply to use but many people infortunetly follow what they want to believe after they have received the truth, use your breins and do a good deed and for sure you will see,
    if you see what the quran says is : worship the One and only god ALLAh be good to your parents and neighboors and to all human ,be honest be firm and stand vast when tested, by doing so you will only become a better man and more honest and have less fear in life, so what do you have to lose ??/

  3. Ooh poor man , diging their own grave, have you studied the Holy Quran???? wow what an evil book,
    it is sooo bad that it always tell you to regognize one god the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it , can you image one god ceates all the plants that are fed by the animals that in turn are fed by human and we gain our clothes from the plants and animals and medicine wow what evil is that ,should we not be gratefull for all that , all all God ask from us is to behave in a good manner and worship him as to thank him,
    what would you say if someone chaired with you your wive, money,kids, would you allow it?/ or reject it and fight for what is your , so how can we accept the same with God????
    what kind of evil is that???? forgive and treat your parents that gave you birth gently …….
    rethink how you are living, and repent to The Only God forsure he is the all mercifull and me he guide you to peace

  4. my dear our prophet passed away 1400 years ago we didnt met him and if there was no quran and hadith what will the coming generation do???? Allah cant cum here and meet us he sent prophet (PBUH) and gives him orders which is now in the form of qurran so that is why we focuses on quran.

  5. __________i challenge u that quran is infalibile Allah saved it in the hearts of millions of hafiz e quran______________
    why did Allah save only Quran not other books like Bibal, Torah sent by him. Why does Allah depend on books to save his revelations and teach the humans? Mohammed got the all knowledge without books. Allah passed massages to him without book. Then why do you muslim focuse too much on books?

  6. i challenge u that quran is infalibile Allah saved it in the hearts of millions of hafiz e quran what will u say about this???? the only book in the world which is memorable and i will show u 12 years old hafiz e quran can u show me a single book which is memorized by a 12 years old child??? memorized by millions of people????? so how somw can change it??? my question is from all of u and u 2 sina

  7. sina have u any proof that the man which u called uthman did this??????? u know what is the difference between we and all of u? jst read and compare the coments given by a muslim and non muslim jst compare the language used by u people this shows how cheap u all are

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  9. "We can see disbeliever in Allah in this world are in much better position than believers in Allah are poor, backward, illiterate. "

    That is debatable. . . try defining "backward" and "poor".

  10. As I read some Islamic response regarding who was the first believer in Allah. They clarify the contradictory statements on history basis. Quran almost talk about history of Jews, Christians and cultures & rituals of countries near of Saudi Arabia. Why Allah had concerned only with Jews, Christians? Where is Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism and Vedic Religion etc.?

    And what you say Quran is book of history or Divine Guidance to man?

    And Why does Allah make false promise?

    Quran 3:56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”
    We can see disbeliever in Allah in this world are in much better position than believers in Allah are poor, backward, illiterate.

  11. why there is so much hatred about quran and holy prophet? do u have any authentic and anambiguous reason for this?

  12. Please be honest with me sina, what are you smoking? Whatever it is, it's gotta be of very high quality to give you such delusions of grandeur.

    As a practicing muslim, I, actually welcome your verbal and written diarrhea. Guys like you are very much needed for us muslim to undergo a test of sorts.

    I heard it from a movie( I'm recalling from memory here) : If there is false hood ( replace your opinion here) there has to be TRUTH. Since false hood cannot originate from it's own.

    Checkmate.

    "No, my bro. I am not afraid of The Devil. Since the very such presence confirms the presence of God"

  13. Bustingchristianity: I do not know what your religion is but you are surely less informed, can you please show me where Jesus encouraged his followers to keep sex slaves. if you are quoting from Exodus, then please tell me if the spirit had yet come on earth as a human then. you need to bust your brain first, if you have one and then try to bust christianity.

  14. bustingchristianity
    Thursday 1 March 2012, 12:29 am

    Christians are looters as we still see in some modern societies but its not new,its in their religion._ _''They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.''(Judges 5:30 NAB)_ _Jesus encouraged his followers to keep sex slaves._ _When a man sells his? daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. Exodus 21:7-11 NLT_

  15. Bustingchristianity
    Thursday 1 March 2012, 12:28 am

    Iam not surprised to? see noobs here who are trying to judge a religion with their satanic mind,and not even keeping in mind,the teachings of christianity.I will put light on the "loving'' ,'' peaceful'' christianity based on their scripture.Which obviously is 18+ rated._ _Rape and incest is the most encouraged act in bible.Apart from that baby killing,raping any woman you want and pay a price to her family later as compensation, human sacrifise, slavery,I mean Barbarity at its peak is christanity._Christians are so pathetic that they claim to love their prophet but they LIE. They actually follow satan and satan is their god. Proved from the fact? that how could you not follow and even change the whole scripture depending to their modern needs. They discard what they think hard to follow from it as being the true SATAN followers. Who in the world will claim to love somone and then change what his teachings were? This is satan's work and christians are his guinea pigs.

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  17. Quran is a SPOKEN word of GOD and is preserved in the way Gibril ( Gabriel ) Recitation to prophet.
    Many Prophet Mohammad contemporaries have memorized the recitation, up to today many still.One version of writing down the recitation had been accepted by all Prophet followers till today and thus kept it till today un-altered. Try it and read a translation of it.
    Find out for yourself, do not depend on others for your decision, Remember a translation is a mere shadow of the original Arabic Quran. and listen to the Arabic original.

  18. mr.sina , as u dont about the matter u should not read about it.there was no different vrsions of quran. in arabic language every sound has a different meaning . if we sounds a single word in various sound then the meaning will change . for example in quran 1:6′ sirathallatheena an”amtha” alaihim’ means you(allah) keep us (human) in right path. if we pronounce it as ‘sirathallatheena an”AMTHU” alaihim ‘ then it will become we(human) keep u (allah) in right path. so it is important to give a correct pronounciation. in uthuman(ra) period , islam spread to many parts. the newcomers of islam use wrong pronounciation. so as a responsible person he ordered to compile quran in correct pronounciation. he himself and all other companions of prophet(pbuh) know the quran entirely. and all the verse are written in skin or bone whenever it revealed to prophet(pbuh). and he was one of the writer to the prophet(pbuh). by he compiled quran in correct way. NO ONE CAN CHANGE QURAN AS IT CLAIMS”GOD REVEALED IT AND HE IS ENOUGH TO PROTECT IT”

  19. I have a better definition for Qur'an

    Q queer
    U Urine
    R renob
    A ass-hat
    N Noger thief

    and for Muhammad

    ,well u know

  20. I have made a post in the Resources section of the FFI forums which rebuts the idea that the Quran is "divine" (i.e. from God).
    Here is the link. Spread this link to as many people as you can! http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3
    – enceladus

  21. I've analyzed the Quran. I don't find any good in it. The Mecca suras are said to be peaceful, but his sociopathic attitude towards others and his affected air is evident from the very first suras. Sure, he threw in a few platitudes to make himself look good. That's it.

  22. Every step forward was made with the sword : Think of little sects, born within a few hundred years out of fallible human brains, making this arrogant claim of knowledge of the whole of God’s infinite truth ! Think of the arrogance of it ! If it shows anything, it is this : how vain human beings are. And it is no wonder that such claims have always failed, and, by the mercy of the Lord, are always destined to fall. In this line, the Mohammedans were the best off; every step forward was made with the sword – the Koran in the one hand and the sword in the other : “Take the Koran, or you must die; there is no alternative !”. You know from history how phenomenal was their success; for six hundred years nothing could resist them, and then there came a time when they had to cry halt. So will be with other religions if they follow the same methods. (Vo. 2, p. 369-70).

    Universal brotherhood for Muslims only : Mohammedans talk of universal brotherhood, but what comes out of that in reality? Why, anybody who is not a Mohammedan will not be admitted into the brotherhood; he will more likely have his throat cut. (Vol. 2, p. 80)

    Use of graves in place of images : The Mohammedans use the graves of their saints and martyrs almost in the place of images. (Vol. 3, p. 61)

    God as a child : For the Mohammedans, it is impossible to have this idea of God as a child; they will shrink from it with a kind of horror. But the Christian and the Hindu can realize it easily because they have the baby Jesus and the baby Krishna. (Vol. 3, p. 96)

    No temple building in a Muslim country : It is here that Indians build temples for Mohammedans and Christians; nowhere else. If you go to other countries and ask Mohammedans or people of other religions to build a temple for you, see how they will help. They will instead try to break down your temple and you too, if they can. (Vol. 3, p. 114).

    Word Hindu covers all those who live in India : The word (‘Hindu’), therefore, covers not only Hindus proper, but Mohammedans, Christians, Jains and other people who live in India. (Vol. 3, p. 110).

    Allah-ho-Akbar for centuries : Wave after wave of barbarian conquest has rolled over this devoted land of ours. “Allah-ho-Akbar !” has rent the skies for hundreds of years, and no Hindu knew what moment would be his last. This is the most suffering and the most subjugated of all the historic lands in the world. Yet we still stand practically the same race, ready to face difficulties again and again, if necessary, and not only so, of late there have been signs that we are not only strong but ready to go out, for the sign of life is expansion. (Vol. 3, p. 369-70).

    Only they are right ! : Ignorant persons… not only deny the right of every man to interpret the universe according to his own light, but dare to say that others are entirely wrong, and they alone are right. If they are opposed, they begin to fight. They say that they will kill any man who does not believe as they believe, and as the Mohammedans do. (Vol. 4, p. 52).

    Worshipping saints : The Mohammedans from the beginning stood against any idol worship. They would have nothing to do with worshipping the Prophets or the Messengers, or paying any homage to them; but, practically, instead of one Prophet, thousands upon thousands of saints are being worshipped. (Vol. 4, p. 121)

    Mohammedans most sectarian : Now, some Mohammedans are the crudest in this respect, and the most sectarian. Their watchword is. “There is one God, and Mohammed is His Prophet”. Everything beyond that not only is bad, but must be destroyed forthwith; at moment’s notice, every man or woman, who does not exactly believe in that, must be killed; everything that does not belong to this worship must be killed; everything that does not belong to this worship must be immediately broken; every book that teaches anything else must be burnt. From the Pacific to the Atlantic, for five hundred years, blood ran all over the world. That is Mohammedanism ! Nevertheless, among these Mohammedans, wherever there was a philosophic man, he was sure to protest against these cruelties. (Vol. 4, p. 126)

    Sword flashed for hundreds of years in India : Wave after wave had flooded this land, breaking and crushing everything for hundreds of years. The sword has flashed, and “Victory unto Allah” had rent the skies of India; but these floods subsided, leaving the national ideals unchanged. (Vol. 4, p. 159)

    Kafir deserves to be butchered : To the Mussulmans, the Jews or the Christians are not object of extreme detestation; they are, at the worst, men of little faith. But not so the Hindu. According to him, the Hindu is idolatrous, the hateful Kafir; hence in this life he deserves to be butchered; and in the next, eternal hell is in store for him. The utmost the Mussulman kings could do as a favour to the (Hindu) priestly class – the spiritual guides of these Kafirs – was to allow them somehow to pass their life silently and wait for, the last moment. This was again sometimes considered too much kindness! If the religious ardour of any (Muslim) king was a little more uncommon, there would immediately follow arrangements for a great yajna by way of Kafir slaughter! (Vol. 4, p. 446)

  23. Muslim rituals : The Mohammedan, who thinks that every ritual, every form, every image or ceremony used by a non-Mohammedan is sinful does not think so when he comes to his own shrine, the Caaba. Every religious Mohammedan, wherever he prays, must imagine that he is standing before the Caaba. When the makes a pilgrimage there, he must kiss the black stone in the wall of the shrine. All the kisses that have been imprinted on that stone, by millions and millions of pilgrims, will stand up as witnesses for the benefit of the faithful on the Last Day of Judgment. Then, there is the well of Zimzim. Mohammedans believe that whoever draws a little water out of that well will have sins pardoned, and he will, after the Day of Resurrection, have a fresh body, and live for ever. (Vol. 2, p. 39)

    Kill who are not Muslims : The Mohammedan religion allows Mohammedans to kill all who are not of their religion. It is clearly stated in the Koran, “Kill the infidels if they do not become Mohamedans”. They must be put to fire and sword. (Vol. 2, p. 335)

    Killing unbelievers is surest way to Heaven : The more selfish a man, the more immoral he is. And so also with the race. That race which is bound down to itself has been the most cruel and the most wicked in the whole world. There has not been a religion that has clung to this dualism more than that founded by the Prophet of Arabia, and there has not been a religion which has shed so much blood, and been so cruel to other man. In the Kuran there is the doctrine that a man who does not believe these teachings should be killed; it is a mercy to kill him ! And the surest way to get to heaven, where there are beautiful ‘houris’ and all sorts of sense-enjoyments, is by killing these unbelievers. Think of the bloodshed there has been in consequence of such beliefs ! (Vol. 2, p. 352-53)

  24. Millions massacred through Mohammad’s teachings : If you read the Koran, you find the most wonderful truths mixed with superstitions. How will you explain it? That man (Prophet Mohammed) was inspired, no doubt, but the inspiration was as it were, stumbled upon. He was not a trained Yogi, and did not know the reason of what he was doing. Think of the good Mohammed did to the world, and think of the great evil that has been done through his fanaticism ! Think of the millions massacred through his teachings, mothers bereft of their children, children made orphans, whole countries destroyed, millions upon millions of people killed !

  25. So easy to be like you:

    This is a wild assumption nothing more as JSOP says a lot of things yet does another others have pointed out his errors missing facts half quoting and of course lacking of Islamic discussion.

    Basing a theory of a race and trying so hard to make Islam like it.

    Study Islam and not the culture because Islam is not culture but an ideology.

    You have faith but we have proof.

    Bring others under one god, that's Islam. o.0

  26. "Study Islam, the cultures of all Islamic countries old and today and the Arabic language" Islam is not the culutures of the "islamic countries" nor the Arabic language, it is a religion, its like saying if you want to learn about christianity go to america, and learn about the culutures of the "christian countries". No read the bible.

  27. This is a wild assumption nothing more as Alisina says a lot of things yet does another others have pointed out his errors missing facts half quoting

    Basing a theory on misleading and missing Information

    Study Islam, the cultures of all Islamic countries old and today and the Arabic language

    You have your faith and Muslims have theirs

    Bring others to Peace rather apart to Chaos

    -JSOP

  28. "What I was saying as many people think it is justified to hurt innocents which it is not by any religion ,code of conduct and ethics allowed to do" Why are you telling me for? Tell that to the people who do try to excuse those crimes.

    "I was pointing out that some criticize when other countries people do crimes (which is not right to do ) yet those countries turns a blind eye to there allies and do the same actions that the other country is doing (all doing crimes which are not justified)" Yes that is true of many people their is a name for such people HYPOCRITE. The people who believe in tribalism and nationalism are the one`s who try to make out EVERYTHING america does is good and of course the state of Israel and can never do anything wrong.

  29. Great user name and good points.

  30. @JSOP , As Alisina has said truths may hurt you and other mulims for a short while. But if they keep believing in the lies, they plot to kill others. And in the process get themselves killed as well. Pitiful and pathetic foot-soilders of a dead war lord.. What about their grieving families ?

  31. What I was saying as many people think it is justified to hurt innocents which it is not by any religion ,code of conduct and ethics allowed to do

    Extremist on both sides

    I was pointing out that some criticize when other countries people do crimes (which is not right to do ) yet those countries turns a blind eye to there allies and do the same actions that the other country is doing (all doing crimes which are not justified)

    -JSOP

  32. Irrelevant verse. :p

  33. "Read my comment again, as i did not say such a thing."

    Poor reading comprehension, or more likely, careless and sloppy reading and lack of attention to detail are hallmarks of JSOP's style, not to mention labels like "hatred" and "lies".

  34. I did not condone bombing civilians, that is a war crime. A criminal is a criminal (whether they are muslim or not) and if i think (or have evidence) that a president or leader has ordered such a thing (or any other crime against innocent people), i will comdemn him and call for him to be brought to justice. I don`t care if that person is George Bush, Saddam Hussain, Ariel Sharon or Yasser Arafat

  35. "Not all Muslims are violent people as many have said and know this" Read my comment again, as i did not say such a thing.

    "Does this apply to hatred and lies preached about Islam and the Muslim people ?" People can say what they want about islam, just like the muslims often make up lies about other religions, which is not a crime. As for people spreading hatred against people whether that is jews, muslims, blacks or anyone else then yes those people should be stripped of their citizenship, we don`t hate mogerers and racists in our countries.

  36. ''Well, actually moderate Muslims are non-practicing Muslims. The religion is what it is, but the moderates tend not to know what it is. They do tend to stick together as a culture though, and cheer terrorist victories against the West and agitate for the same political ends as the Islamists.''

    Based on an assumption nothing more.
    You do not speak for the Muslim people (or the Christian and Jewish people)

    Who are you to say who is not a Muslim remember you are not God

    No need for stereotyping of a religion now

    -JSOP

  37. ''' if they are caught preaching hatred they should be stripped of their citizenship''

    Not all Muslims are violent people as many have said and know this

    Does this apply to hatred and lies preached about Islam and the Muslim people ?

    -JSOP

  38. ''So we will start bombing Iraqi and Afgan Civilians just so we win? And isn`t the reason we are those countries in the first place is to protect civilians and overthow tyrannical regimes?''

    Terrorist killing civilians (which is of cause bad to do and contradicts Islam ) yet saying it is necessary to kill other countries civilians and say the ends justify the means (This action is the same as the terrorist as they are committing the same acts and turning a blind eye to there allies which are doing the same acts they are accusing another of doing )

    -JSOP

  39. Right. But we also allow in students who have graduated there. This is a big radicalization vector even in countries that regulate Islam.

  40. "But we should not just be bombing towns and cities"

    Well, that's the point. We have come so much further from where we used to be in avoiding civilian deaths. The Taliban cause 80% of civilian casualties in Afghanistan and get a pass on it by the media because it's not news when they do something everybody already knows they do. But when we accidentally do something everybody knows we are not supposed to do, that's news. And that's why the backlash from the bloggers.

    You are right about the US paying jizya to Pakistan. We pay it everywhere. That's why Saudi Arabia doesn't support the Palestinians. Sharia calls for them not to pay if they can get the dhimmis to pay.

  41. "So they are self-identified Muslims. This is much like Christians who only go to church on Easter and Christmas, or do not go at all, and who have never opened a Bible, but still call themselves Christian." They can call themselves what they want, but they are still non muslims in reality just like these "culutural christians" are not christians or "culutural jews" are not jews (or at least not in the religious sense.)

    "Some countries have had some degree of success with this, but now with globalization, new radicalization vectors appear with al-Qaeda types coming into the countries as well as their own citizens going to universities in the Middle East and sending their people on the Hajj." It doesn`t matter what they do abroad, its what they are teaching in the mosques in the west that should concern us if they are caught preaching hatred they should be stripped of their citizenship. And of course those we know who do teach hatred in the middle east (or who go to these "universities" such as Al-Azhar) should not be allowed in, in the first place

  42. But we should not just be bombing towns and cities i don`t see what good that is going to do. Because if they really are sheltering the likes of bin laden then their is no point being their in the first place. If on the other they don`t want the taliban running their country then leave it to them, sure if they want assistance then supple them with weapons and patrol the skies but don`t puroposely bomb the cities of our allies. Anyway if we should be anywhere it is pakistan the biggest producer of islamic terrorists in the world which also has nuclear weapons, and we pay them 6 billion dollars a year so they don`t use them (or in other words the united states is paying protection money to pakistan).

  43. At the Restoration weekend Panel Jamie Glazov says we just gave Iraq to Iran the same way we gave South VIetnam to North Vietnam:
    http://blip.tv/davidhorowitztv/the-islamists-with

  44. Even the Afghan village chiefs dismiss Taliban complaints of civilian casualties because they understand this is war and things happen in war.

  45. "Their not really muslim at all."

    While we can say that and you correctly point out that their beliefs contradict the teachings of Islam, if you ask them what their religion is, they will tell you they are Muslims. So they are self-identified Muslims. This is much like Christians who only go to church on Easter and Christmas, or do not go at all, and who have never opened a Bible, but still call themselves Christian.

    "all mosques (i mean the one`s that claim to be "moderate") should be Monitored and every Imam should undergo a background check"

    Some countries have had some degree of success with this, but now with globalization, new radicalization vectors appear with al-Qaeda types coming into the countries as well as their own citizens going to universities in the Middle East and sending their people on the Hajj.

  46. "Well, actually moderate Muslims are non-practicing Muslims." Their not really muslim at all. Someone who believes in free speech, equal rights for all citizens, the Separation of religion and the state etc i would not say that person was a muslim as all those Principles contridict the teachings of islam. The author of that article used a good Expression "non muslim, muslim". "Not all. But enough that on documentaries like Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, some of the moderates confidently appear on camera, while others ask to have their faces not shown." Many mosques (or perhaps most)as we know are funded by saudi money who Unfortunately do preach the islam of muhammed. In my view all mosques (i mean the one`s that claim to be "moderate") should be Monitored and every Imam should undergo a background check. The sermon`s should also be in the national language of the country.

  47. "It worked in a civilized culture, but it is not working in Iraq and Afghanistan, partly because we got blind-sided and let their constitutions contain the caveat that all law is subordinate to sharia law." Well Iraq is going to produce tremendous wealth becuse of the amount of oil it has, and the Iraqis are trying to rebuild it but of course having international islamic terrorists trying to destabilise the county doesn`t help. Though i agree with you having islam in the Iraqi constitution sort of defeats the whole purporse of getting rid of saddam. If you read the constitution of Iraq it states
    A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

    B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established. Sorry Iraq, Islam and democracy don`t mix you can have one but not the other.

  48. "It's a great thing that we have developed the ability to be more selective about our targets, but the pendulum swing has gone too far to the other side to the point that NATO soldiers are being wounded and dying, and accomplishment of victory is compromised." So we will start bombing Iraqi and Afgan Civilians just so we win? And isn`t the reason we are those countries in the first place is to protect civilians and overthow tyrannical regimes?

  49. "Is this person suggesting that we should attack civilians?"

    No. It's about perspective. In WWII the mission was to destroy the enemy forces. If civilians got in the way, the battle didn't stop. Civilians knew enough to flee before the battle arrived. Bombing technology wasn't as precise then either, especially strategic bombing. Factories and rail stations were bombed without concern for who was in them. It's a great thing that we have developed the ability to be more selective about our targets, but the pendulum swing has gone too far to the other side to the point that NATO soldiers are being wounded and dying, and accomplishment of victory is compromised.

    "Nonsense war is at a best a short term solution"

    Daniel Greenfield elaborates this as the doctrine that we used to defeat enemies by destroying their ability to wage war against us. Hitler was largely incubated because of the French harsh treatment of Germany after WWI. So we tried to do it differently after WWII by helping them rebuild. It worked in a civilized culture, but it is not working in Iraq and Afghanistan, partly because we got blind-sided and let their constitutions contain the caveat that all law is subordinate to sharia law.

  50. Well, actually moderate Muslims are non-practicing Muslims. The religion is what it is, but the moderates tend not to know what it is. They do tend to stick together as a culture though, and cheer terrorist victories against the West and agitate for the same political ends as the Islamists. Not all. But enough that on documentaries like Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, some of the moderates confidently appear on camera, while others ask to have their faces not shown.

  51. "We didn’t use terms such as “Radical Nazism”, “Extremist Shinto” and “Militant Communism” in the past. “Militant Islam”, Political Islam”, etc., are redundant terms." We should not get too bogged down by the meaning of words,it does not matter whether we say "Bin Ladenism" or Islam we are talking about the same thing. Those "muslims" and their religion (which is basically humanism), who are really peaceful have nothing to do with the Islam of muhammed. We should view "moderate muslims" as members of a seperate religion (which in reality is what they are) from "Bin Ladenists"

  52. "We’ve placed the lives of Muslim civilians above the lives of our soldiers, placing them in absolutely unnecessary danger in order to protect innocent (or even guilty) civilians." Is this person suggesting that we should attack civilians? That sounds like Islamic thinking to me.

    “We’ve tried everything since 9/11 except real war. War is the answer to Jihad.” Nonsense war is at a best a short term solution, is Islam dead in Afghanistan or Iraq? Was Islam killed by the crusaders? Or the Israelis?

    “In the end, I care about Islam and the Muslim world as much as the Muslim world cares about America and the West. This is war. We can’t be on both sides. I’m not rooting for Islam or the Muslim world.” I care about the future of humanity full stop. Not just America and “the west”.

  53. Bosch Fawstin is an Eisner Award nominated cartoonist currently working on a graphic novel, The Infidel, of which the first chapter is now available as a digital comic. Bosch’s first graphic novel is Table for One. He is also the author of ProPiganda: Drawing the Line Against Jihad, a companion to The Infidel, and the 1st print appearance of Pigman.

    Copyright © 2009 FrontPage Magazine. All rights reserved.
    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/02/non-muslim-mus

  54. Part 5

    Our problem is not “Islamophobia”, but Islamophilia. It is this uncritical, uninformed, absolute defense of Islam by Western elites after 9/11 that I refer to as Islamgate. It’s a scandal for the ages that few involved would ever admit to being part of.

    I care about the truth. I care about Western Civilization. I care about myself, my loved ones and my friends. I care about Iife. And that’s why I don’t care about Islam.

    Our altruistic concern for the future and well being of the Muslim world has come at the expense of American lives and treasure. We’ve placed the well being of “The Muslim World” above our own self-defense. We’ve placed today’s Big Lie, “Islam means peace”, above the truth we need to act on. We’ve placed the lives of Muslim civilians above the lives of our soldiers, placing them in absolutely unnecessary danger in order to protect innocent (or even guilty) civilians. Our Rules of Engagement might as well be renamed the Golden Rules of Engagement, as our soldiers have been forced to treat the enemy the way we’d like to be treated. And the enemy takes full advantage of that, as they do of all of the policies our morally vain politicians have concocted. We need to shift the focus onto our own well-being at the enemy’s expense for a change.

    We’ve tried everything since 9/11 except real war. War is the answer to Jihad.

    So who cares about Islam? Muslims, Jihadists, Islamophiles, Leftists who naturally side with anti-American ideologies, guilt-ridden fellow travelers who think America is usually in the wrong, and religionists who believe any religion is better than none. But since Leftists and Islamophiles usually know very little about Islam, who truly cares about Islam? Those who are at war with us.

    In the end, I care about Islam and the Muslim world as much as the Muslim world cares about America and the West. This is war. We can’t be on both sides. I’m not rooting for Islam or the Muslim world.

    I’m rooting for us.

  55. Part 4

    I often hear that we should be working with the Muslim world. Working towards what? As Ayn Rand writes, “In any collaboration between two men (or two groups) who hold different basic principles, it is the more evil or irrational one who wins.” Any time we spend “working” with a culture that calls for our destruction, we are working towards our own destruction, consciously or not.

    While it’s true that jihadists don’t represent most Muslims, they do represent Islam. But then why don’t most Muslims engage in jihad? Like in any culture, heroes are a small minority, and that goes for Islamic culture as well. The jihadists are Islam’s heroes; they are the ones most dedicated to following Allah’s commands and they’re celebrated in the Muslim world for it. They are also the only ones to whom Islam guarantees paradise. And their rarity was made even clearer when we learned that only the pilots of 9/11 knew it was a suicide mission. Our enemy knows that it’s tough to get even hardcore Muslims to sacrifice their lives for Islam, but they don’t want us to know that. Just as they don’t want us to know that behind their boast that they love death is the fact that they hate life.

    And while Muslims who blow themselves up in order to kill non-Muslims are a small minority, Muslims who would explicitly condemn them are an even smaller minority. And while I think that Muslims are mere sheep to their Jihadist wolves, there are also too many Muslim cheerleaders for jihad. How many Muslims celebrated 9/11? Far too many. Even in my own lax Muslim upbringing in America, there was an omnipresent anti-Semitism and misogyny. Some members of my family admired Adolph Hitler, who I refer to as “Islam’s Favorite Infidel.” Regarding misogyny, the birth of a girl became a day of mourning for Muslim women in my family; they understood the suffering this girl would endure under Islam, even in America.

    Though we say we’ve been at war for over ten years, we haven’t even begun to fight the war the way we should be fighting it. And those calling for a change within Islam during this war would be surprised at how much Islam can be changed through an honest war on our behalf. You can’t make a violent religion like Islam non-violent by argument, only by greater retaliatory force against state sponsors of jihad terrorism.

    The future of Islam and the well-being of Muslims is said to be of importance to us. Post – 9/11, the defense of our culture, our values, our very lives has been optional, but our defense of Islam has been absolute. It began with Bush’s “Islam is peace” and it continues with Obama, who said in his Submission Speech in Egypt in 2009, in front of members of The Muslim Brotherhood, “I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.” If only he felt the same about America.

    We can’t be both for Islam and for ourselves. This enemy is fully on their own side and fully against us and they’ve made themselves believe that they’re the good guys and that we’re the bad guys, and our actions have done nothing but turn their hatred of us into an ever-deepening contempt. Before we see the enemy for what it is, we need to see ourselves for what we are. Only then can we, with full moral conviction, make them pay for what they’ve done and move us towards victory.

  56. Part 3

    And it’s no accident that Western analysts of Islam who are most informed about Islam are also most critical of it, while those least informed are least critical. But then there are those who, in their study of Islam, have become so enamored with their subject that, instead of sticking to what Islam is, they often write about what it isn’t, what they hope it might be. They seem preoccupied with doing their part to save Islam from those who have allegedly corrupted it.

    The Muslim world is where the true meaning of Islam can be found in practice. Islam – not any alleged deviant form of it – means misogyny, censorship, anti-Semitism, homophobia, wife-beatings, beheadings, honor killings, pedophilia/“child marriages”, murdering infidels, etc. This is evil, and Islam sanctions every bit of it, but we’ve been told that we must respect “one of the world’s great religions” because it’s a religion. Following 9/11, the only thing George W. Bush knew about Islam was that it was a religion, and that apparently was a good enough reason for him to exonerate it as he did. And his advisor on Islam, David Forte, told Bush exactly what he wanted to hear, that “Nothing this evil could come from religion.” But 9/11 did come from a religion. Whatever else 9/11 was, it was an act of faith.

    And Bush saying “Islam is peace” shortly after 9/11 gave the enemy a gift they couldn’t have foreseen. Here was the one man who was charged to defend America from their attack and here he was defending the very ideology that motivated the attackers. Honesty is the best policy in general, and when it comes to war, it’s a moral imperative to find out the truth, to tell the truth and to act on the truth, no matter what sacred cow is killed in the process. And so a big part of why nearly 3,000 victims of jihad on 9/11 haven’t been avenged is because of respect for religion, even for a religion that calls for our destruction.

    Muslims who really care about Islam are part of an organized effort to spread Islam, and I sometimes refer to this collective effort by Muslims as “Organized Islam.” No matter the means involved, Muslims working towards a more Islamic world want the same thing the jihadists want. This organized effort includes Mosques, Muslim organizations, Muslim individuals writing books, blog posts, etc. And they all invariably engage in anti-Western, Anti-Israeli propaganda, at the very least.

  57. Part 2

    The only reason we’re talking about Islam is because it doesn’t mean peace. Islam wasn’t hijacked by a “small minority of extremists” on 9/11, it was hijacked by a very small minority of moderates whose embarrassment in being associated with such an immoderate religion leads them to engage in moderate truth telling about it, proving their irrelevance as allies.

    In addition to these politically active moderates, when you see well-assimilated Muslims in the West, you’re not seeing Islam in action, you’re seeing individuals living up to the old adage, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. They’re essentially post-Islamic Muslims who have rejected Islamic values and have embraced Western ones. But since the process of their assimilation was implicit – as it happened naturally by their exposure to Western, i.e., pro-life, values – both Muslims and non-Muslims alike prefer to generously give Islam some credit for it. But a good Muslim, by our standards is a bad Muslim by Islamic standards. Objectively good human beings, who identify themselves as Muslim, give Islam a good face, one far better then it deserves. This only gives us a false impression about what it is we’re facing, with just another excuse not to face it. And this leads to our acceptance into our culture of stealth jihadists who have figured out how to say what we want to hear, while they scheme behind the scenes to further Islamize the West.

    In the name of distinguishing the enemy from Muslims who mean us no harm, far too many Western commentators have avoided using the name “Islam” for the enemy’s ideology, and instead have decided to create their very own terms for the threat we’re facing, terms that are alien to the enemy. Terms such as:

    Islamic Fundamentalism.

    Islamic Extremism.

    Totalitarian Islam.

    Islamofascism.

    Islamonazism.

    Political Islam.

    Bin Ladenism.

    Radical Islam.

    Militant Islam.

    Islamism.

    Jihadism.

    We didn’t use terms such as “Radical Nazism”, “Extremist Shinto” and “Militant Communism” in the past. “Militant Islam”, Political Islam”, etc., are redundant terms. Our pretending otherwise has proven disastrous. Thousands of American lives, both civilian and military, have been sacrificed because of policies predicated on the myth that “Islam means peace.” We didn’t try to reform Shinto or Nazism during World War II; the major changes in those cultures took place only after we thoroughly de-militarized them.

  58. Part 1

    My name is Bosch and I’m a recovering Muslim.

    That is, if Muslims don’t kill me for leaving Islam, which it requires them to do. That’s just one of the reasons I’ve been writing and drawing against Islam and its Jihad for a number of years now. But fortunately for us, Islam hasn’t been able to make every Muslim its slave, just as Nazism wasn’t able to turn every German into a Nazi. So there is Islam and there are Muslims. Muslims who take Islam seriously are at war with us and Muslims who don’t aren’t.

    But that doesn’t mean we should consider these reluctant Muslims allies against Jihad. I’ve been around Muslims my entire life and most of them truly don’t care about Islam. The problem I have with many of these essentially non-Muslim Muslims, especially in the middle of this war being waged on us by their more consistent co-religionists, is that they give the enemy cover. They force us to play a game of Muslim Roulette since we can’t tell which Muslim is going to blow himself up until he does. And their indifference about the evil being committed in the name of their religion is a big reason why their reputation is where it is.

    So while I understand that most Muslims are not at war with us, they’ve proven in their silence and inaction against jihad that they’re not on our side either, and there’s nothing we can say or do to change that. We just have to finally accept it and stop expecting them to come around, while doing our best to kill those who are trying to kill us.

    Another problem with Muslims who aren’t very Muslim is that they lead some among us to conclude that they must be practicing a more enlightened form of Islam. They’re not. They’re “practicing” life in non-Muslim countries, where they are free to live as they choose. But their “Islam” is not the Islam. There’s no separate ideology apart from Islam that’s being practiced by these Muslims in name only, there’s no such thing as “Western Islam”.

    Non-observant Muslims are not our problem, but neither are they the solution to our problem. Our problem is Islam and its most consistent practitioners. There is nothing in Islam that stays the hand of Muslims who want to kill non-Muslims. If an individual Muslim is personally peaceful, it’s not because of Islam, it’s because of his individual choice, which is why I often say that your average Muslim is morally superior to Mohammad, to their own religion. The very rare Muslim who helps us against Jihad is acting against his religion, but that doesn’t stop some among us from thinking that his existence somehow means that he represents more than himself.

  59. Those who take pleasure in spreading foul rumors about the faithful will be severely punished in this world and the world to come. – Sura 24:19

  60. And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance. Verily, you can neither rend nor penetrate the earth, nor can you attain the stature like the mountains in height.

    -JSOP

  61. STOP THE PRESSES!

    I just found a Quran prophecy of Muhammad that came true!

    This PROVES Muhammad was a TRUE PROPHET!

    Quran 4:82 – Will they not study the Koran? Were it not from Allah, THEY SURELY WOULD HAVE FOUND MANY CONTRADICTIONS IN IT!

  62. Yeah, including you and Muhammad. :p

  63. You are following the typical pattern of ignorants who insult instead of offer proof.

  64. Ignorants and sick people are medling in area which is not theirs

  65. Hi Raul,

    I don't know web design, I rely on my volunteers. When they are available I will do some work on ffi site.

  66. I 100% do agree with my dear Mormon John K! Please bear with Dr Ali Sina's silence. He's the most busiest man on planet earth now, just like Santa Claus.

  67. Great article. Subsequent discoveries of other Quran copies also ruin the theory of a perfect Quran.

  68. I think it is important to realize that Dr. Sina is quite busy and as such does not really have time to thoroughly read the comments section. His priority is helping Muslims, so Muslims seeking help will be the first to get his attention.

  69. Why are you so tired of waiting for Dr Ali Sina's reply? Be patient and wait until you've reached 100 yrs old, then, he'll give you an official reply. xD

  70. Dr Ali Sina, I am tired and tired of posting- please reply.

  71. Yes, the Qur'an was never altered alright. Here are my research findings:
    http://www.islam-watch.org/Kammuna/Collection-of-

    Cheers

  72. Barbarians knocking on the gates of civilization again.

  73. It contains thousands of errors, absurdities, contradictions, inaccuracies and sheer nonsense. It contradicts logic, history, science, the Bible and even itself. It even contains grammatical errors that show its author was an illiterate man.  Hardly can you find a book as absurd as this book. It is so poorly written that I cannot call it literature.

    LOL LOL LOL if somebdy reads this he would think thiis is conclusion of world renow Koranic scholar. This idiot cannot even read Arabic LOL . Silly I advise you to look for another hobie and leave koran for the real expert

  74. Well Dr Ali Sina? PLease respond Sir…what is the latest on site revamping?

  75. "The Inimitable Qur'an"

    [youtube 1fOIXwbVfVs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fOIXwbVfVs youtube]

  76. Right. See the video links in my other comment.

  77. So The Rev. Terry Jones is not the first one who burned Quran then. He must have learned from Othman.

  78. This is how one should propogate one's views: http://www.islamreligion.com
    This is a must read article. One must frighten Muslims with Hell if they cant understand in other ways. http://www.islaminindia.org/who-will-go-to-hell
    I support. FAQ's (Frequently asked Questions) and the Challenge must be given a prominent place. (I found the FAQ's section of earlier website with 62 questions very informative). It is sad that the FAQ link itself is now missing..I wonder.. :x :x

  79. Sorry for the earlier comment. It contains a few repeatations and wrong pasting. This is the right one. E NEW AND CASUAL AUDIENCE IF YOU USE THE REVAMPED FAITHFREEDOM..ORG . PLEASE POST THE CHALLENGE BOLDLY AND IN RED COLOR here as well as on faithfreedom.org Now the challenge is back for Gods sake, but please MAKE IT BOLD and proper. CRUCIAL PIECE OF SCHOLARLY articles are now hidden inside this website, with only news and superflous things on the homepage. There should be easy access to Islamic claims' answers, and FAQs must immediately be posted on the home page. The earlier site was excellent. The so-called revamped faithfreedom.org will only lose readers. Dr Sina, PLEASE POST THE CHALENGE BOLDLY IN RED COLOUR ON FAITHFREEDOM.ORG and make a catagory titled "EVIDENCE THAT ISLAM IS FALSE" Under which there should be 2 sections. Section 1- "Answering claims that Islam is true" and 2- Mistakes in the Quran. See this site has tried to do it like this, so that it becomes easy to answer Islamic claims. http://www.islaminindia.org/evidence-that-islam-i….
    I expected that you will boldly paste the challenge on alisina.org just like faithfreedom.org The challenge should be easily accessible, there should a clear catagory "Evidence that Islam is false" answers to all Muslim claims should be easily accessible, and important debates and articles should be listed prominently. Dr Sina you will now lose 50 % OF THE NEW AND CASUAL AUDIENCE IF YOU USE THE REVAMPED FAITHFREEDOM..ORG . PLEASE POST THE CHALLENGE BOLDLY AND IN RED COLOR here as well as on faithfreedom.org The newest faithfreedom.org was thankfully abandoned (it had videos after videos and news articles after news articles and was horribly poor) and we reverted to the 2nd last edition of the faithfreedom.org but it too is bad. Its all about news in the Muslim world and opeds on the home page. The home page should have the challenge posted in bold. Then there should be catagories- ISLAMIC TAQAIYA, VIOLENCE and terrorism in Islam, Islam on women, Blood-spattered History of Islam, and Islam a way to Hell. See http://www.islamreligion.com to know how one should promote ones views. There should also be online chat facility available. Violent teachings of the Quran- convert or kill should be there easily accesible, big blunders of the Quran like mistaking Jesus' mother Mary for Moses' sister Mariam in 19:27-28 etc all should be easily available. It should also be BOLDLY Mentioned that "It is not easy for a Muslim to see Muhammad for who he was. It is like telling a child that his father is a rapist, murderer and a theif. The shock is too much. But just as a child's father can also be a rapist, Muhammad too was no messenger of God but a hoax." Ali Sina's testimony of leaving Islam "The treacherous and ardous path from belief to enlightenment" must also be easily readable. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the sake of humanity, for the sake of humanity Dr Sina…folded hands plea to you…

  80. Please return to the earlier faithfreedom.org

    Postby rahulkedia » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:04 am
    Dr Sina, PLEASE POST THE CHALENGE BOLDLY IN RED COLOUR ON FAITHFREEDOM.ORG and make a catagory titled "EVIDENCE THAT ISLAM IS FALSE" Under which there should be 2 sections. Section 1- "Answering claims that Islam is true" and 2- Mistakes in the Quran. See this site has tried to do it like this, so that it becomes easy to answer Islamic claims. http://www.islaminindia.org/evidence-that-islam-i….
    I expected that you will boldly paste the challenge on alisina.org just like faithfreedom.org But instead I find that the so-called revamped faithfreedom.org also has removed the challenge from its homepage! The challenge should be easily accessible, there should a clear catagory "Evidence that Islam is false" answers to all Muslimc laims should be easily accessible, and important debates and articles should be listed prominently. Dr Sina you will now lose 90 % OF THE NEW AND CASUAL AUDIENCE IF YOU USE THE REVAMPED FAITHFREEDOM..ORG . PLEASE POST THE CHALLENGE BOLDLY AND IN RED COLOR here as well as on faithfreedom.org Now the challenge is back for Gods sake, but please MAKE IT BOLD and proper. CRUCIAL PIECE OF SCHOLARLY articles are now hidden inside this website, with only news and superflous things on the homepage. There should be easy access to Islamic claims' answers, and FAQs must immediately be posted on the home page. The earlier site was excellent. The so-called revamped faithfreedom.org will only lose readers. Dr Sina, PLEASE POST THE CHALENGE BOLDLY IN RED COLOUR ON FAITHFREEDOM.ORG and make a catagory titled "EVIDENCE THAT ISLAM IS FALSE" Under which there should be 2 sections. Section 1- "Answering claims that Islam is true" and 2- Mistakes in the Quran. See this site has tried to do it like this, so that it becomes easy to answer Islamic claims. http://www.islaminindia.org/evidence-that-islam-i….
    I expected that you will boldly paste the challenge on alisina.org just like faithfreedom.org The challenge should be easily accessible, there should a clear catagory "Evidence that Islam is false" answers to all Muslim claims should be easily accessible, and important debates and articles should be listed prominently. Dr Sina you will now lose 50 % OF THE NEW AND CASUAL AUDIENCE IF YOU USE THE REVAMPED FAITHFREEDOM..ORG . PLEASE POST THE CHALLENGE BOLDLY AND IN RED COLOR here as well as on faithfreedom.org The newest faithfreedom.org was thankfully abandoned (it had videos after videos and news articles after news articles and was horribly poor) and we reverted to the 2nd last edition of the faithfreedom.org but it too is bad. Its all about news in the Muslim world and opeds on the home page. The home page should have the challenge posted in bold. Then there should be catagories- ISLAMIC TAQAIYA, VIOLENCE and terrorism in Islam, Islam on women, Blood-spattered History of Islam, and Islam a way to Hell. See http://www.islamreligion.com to know how one should promote ones views. There should also be online chat facility available. Violent teachings of the Quran- convert or kill should be there easily accesible, big blunders of the Quran like mistaking Jesus' mother Mary for Moses' sister Mariam in 19:27-28 etc all should be easily available. It should also be BOLDLY Mentioned that "It is not easy for a Muslim to see Muhammad for who he was. It is like telling a child that his father is a rapist, murderer and a theif. The shock is too much. But just as a child's father can also be a rapist, Muhammad too was no messenger of God but a hoax." Ali Sina's testimony of leaving Islam "The treacherous and ardous path from belief to enlightenment" must also be easily readable. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the sake of humanity, for the sake of humanity Dr Sina…folded hands plea to you…

  81. Yes they were going to revamp faithfreedom.org only. I have said this 100 times and will say it again – that the present form of faithfreedom.org is crap (The newest one was abandoned and the newest one was 100 times more crap than this). Then they reverted to the earlier one. But they said that "We are planning a new design a new site and it will be very to use easy to navigate etc". They also asked for suggestions which I duly gave as well. They in fact also said that they will revamp alisina.org too. But alisina.org is not too bad- it looks more like a blog, but still its ok. All it needs is the challenge to be posted boldly in red colour and other big blunders of the Quran to be mentioned and accessed easily, and answers given to Islamic claims of "Miracles in the Quran" aka Islamic hoaxes. Come on guys, please change faithfreedom.org

  82. This is a very thorough analysis but it only traces variations in the current Quran and does not trace beyond the burning of the original sources. Discoveries of earlier manuscripts cast more light on what was changed and left out. There is introductory information in my post above.

  83. I think the revamp was to FFI. The changes weren't popular and they reverted to the original look.

  84. According to this scholarly article, there are several different versions of the Qur'an in use today.

  85. WHAT ABOUT THE REVAMP that was going to be done? It was written on the home page some days ago that a new-looked attractive and easy to access site will be made. Have we abandoned the plan of changing the site or are we still with it?

  86. There is evidence of Quran problems both in Muslim sources and from science.

    The Qur'an – Original Manuscript and Interpretation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJyeuXtZFuQ

    The Original Burn the Quran Day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo

  87. It is still a mystery to me, why so many people are still "hypnotized" by this book called quran that they are even willing to die for it. I mean at first even the contemporary Arabs would laugh at Muhamamd. They would say things to Muhammad like: "Go show us that angel who is allegedly talking to you. Show us this paradise-garden we're supposed to go to after our death." – Sound reactions to me – there are even "echos" of that skepticism and mistrust towards Muhammad in the quran (e.g. in Surah 23:80-82). But then Muhammad succeeded not only in defeating his opponents militarily but also in terms of "mind control" of them by convincing them, that not believing in him would mean ending up eternally tortured in hell-fire. I think it is about high-time that muslims in general and the Arabs in particular pick up the sound skepticism that the pagan Arabs had towards Muhammad and his alleged prophecy.

  88. For me Sirat Rasul Allah is most authentic sources

  89. FOR FREE BOOK ON ISLAM – ISLAM EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD

    GO TO http://www.islamreform.net

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