How can Muhammad be a Narcissist When…?

How can Muhammad be a Narcissist When…?

 Dear Mr. Sina, let’s keep this simple because rhetoric often betrays a man’s intentions. Let’s suppose that Muhammad indeed felt it was justified to give the orders to kill people to achieve his objectives and his vision for society. Let’s suppose that Muhammad believed in a huge sacrifice of human life in order to achieve his vision of Islam, then we need to question WHY he did all this. I say this because to say a man has NPD is a huge and multifaceted claim to make. I know this as a man who studied and practiced Psychiatry.

Jesus had a vision for man-kind. That vision was salvation.  He thought that to achieve his vision sacrifice must be made. He offered himself as the sacrificial lamb.  He endured beating, torture and a painful death.

Hitler also had a vision. His vision was to be the founder of the Third Reich that would last for a thousand years where he would be deified. He used racial hatred as a means to rally people around him.  He offered the Jews, other non-Arian races and also Germans as the sacrifice.

This is the difference between a true leader, and a sociopath narcissist. One sacrifices himself for others and the other sacrifices others for himself.

Muhammad did not sacrifice himself. He launched 87 or 88 raids in the last ten years of his life, never taking part in person to person combat. He never fought in any battle personally. He would wear two coats of mail (chain link armor), one on top of the other, protected by his bodyguards while shouting and encouraging his followers to hasten to their deaths for the rewards that awaited them in the other world.

He massacred thousands of innocent people in his life and after him; his successors killed hundreds of thousands. This number eventually reached to hundreds of millions and counting.

Muhammad resembles Hitler, not Jesus. This is a clear clue to know that he was not a true prophet, but an impostor. If I have a vision to become rich and sacrifice others to achieve my goal I can’t be a good person, let alone a holy person.

Now, let us talk about the vision. The vision of Jesus for man-kind was liberation, freedom, salvation.  These are all synonymous words. Freedom from what? Freedom from false beliefs, false religion, rigid rules, arbitrary authority, etc. This is, what is called “liberation discourse.” This freedom is the essence of Jesus’s vision for mankind. You can summarize Christianity in five words: “Truth will set you free.”  Jesus sacrificed himself for this vision so others can be free.

Muhammad also had a vision. His vision was slavery of man. He said this slavery is to God. However, the god he was talking about was his own alter-ego, a tool to make people do what he wanted. The slavery was to him.  Allah was a fictitious being, without whom he could not achieve his vision of domination and mastery over others. Why would anyone want to fight and sacrifice his life for someone else? But if you can convince them that they are not fighting for you, but for God and that they will be rewarded, in this world and the next, they may do anything for you. They may kill for you, plunder for you and allow you to have sex with their underage daughter.

I am not a Christian. I don’t believe in God. In my opinion Jesus is a composite myth. I am mentioning him only for the sake of comparison. My point is that IF God existed and IF He wanted to send someone to guide mankind, he would send a holy soul like Jesus and not a despicable thug like Muhammad.

Millions of Germans committed unthinkable atrocities. These were ordinary people. They fought a bloody war. Many of them sacrificed themselves heroically, not for Hitler, but for the “cause” that he sold them.   The cause was only an excuse. Hitler was not after racial or national superiority, he was after personal superiority. He used these as pretexts.

All cult leaders have a cause. They never promote themselves directly, because it will never be accepted. You will have no one following you if you promote yourself.  But if you promote a cause, and convince others that this cause is important and you are pivotal and indispensable  for its success, you can have many followers.  Hitler chose nationalism and restoring the German pride as his cause. Stalin chose proletariat and  class struggle as his cause. Jim Jones chose social justice as his cause. Charles Manson chose preservation of air, trees, water and animals (ATWA) as his cause. Shoko Asahara chose the end of perpetual suffering through rebirth as his cause, and so on and so forth. Muhammad chose the worship of God and monotheism as his cause.

All these causes sound noble. You have to give people a worthy cause, if you want them to sacrifice themselves for you and commit atrocities at your behest. If your cause is worldly, you can’t expect anyone to sacrifice himself for it. Let us say your cause is to make a lot of money.  If you have a good plan many people will work with you to achieve your vision, as long as they get a piece of the pie at the end. But no one will be willing to sacrifice his life for it. Whereas, people cheerfully lay their lives for a lofty cause, such as God, country, justice, etc.

The cult leader makes himself inseparable from his cause.  The success of the cause depends on him and him alone. Without him there will be no cause and disaster will ensue.  He must be perceived as the only person who can bring mankind to his vision of the promised land.  That is the key.  There are many causes that are important, but they are not cult because their success does not depend on any single person.  Let us take the example of fighting Islam.  In my opinion this is the most important cause today.  The survival of our civilization and millions of lives depend on the success of this cause.  But it does not rely on any single person. Millions of enlightened people are fighting against Islam and thousands more are joining every day.  A cult is a cause that hinges on  one person.  Muhammad made himself inseparable from his cause. You cannot believe in Allah without believing in Muhammad.  He was the linchpin of his message.  Allah and Muhammad are twins,  joined in their hips.  One is hidden, the other is manifest.  They are inseparable partners, promoting each other.  All cults share this characteristic.  Anytime a cause and a human become inseparable you have a cult.

The cause per se is irrelevant. Narcissists  are not committed to any cause.   They pick a cause that they think can attract followers and will abandon it and champion another one if the latter proves to be more effective.  When Muhammad started his prophetic career, he had no cause other than the claim that he was a prophet and that people had to believe in him, love him and follow him. That was his message and his cause. But that was a very shallow cause with little appeal.  He then adopted monotheism as his cause and started insulting the religion of the Quraish. This strategy proved more successful as it generated controversy and raffled some feathers. As advertisers say today there is no such thing as negative advertising. Any advertising attracts interest.  It dose not matter what you preach; there will be always someone who will follow you. But Muhammad wanted more.  When he faced resistance and saw that his religion is not growing, he conceded that Lat, Uzza and Manat, the three daughters of allah Hubaal are also worthy of worship. This made people happy and the animosity ended. But it did not gain him new followers. In fact it made his religion indistinguishable from the paganism of the Quraish.  After a few months he realized his miscalculation and retracted his words saying Gabriel came to him and admonished him for saying something he (Gabriel) had not said.  He said those verses were Satanic verses that the Devil had put them in his tongue without him noticing it.  The narcissist, needs enemies. He needs to stir disunity and discord. It’s by dividing that he can rule. So Muhammad switched back to monotheism and resumed insulting the religion of  the Quriash.  There is more of this kind of flip flopping in the life of Muhammad.  His message kept changing according to the response he was getting.

Narcissist cult leaders want total control over the lives of others.  This can be attained only by selling them a noble cause – a cause so lofty and so inspiring for which they may want to sacrifice themselves. The cause does not have to be true. It just has to be perceived as the ultimate truth. In fact, as Hitler used to say, a bigger lie is more believable than smaller lies.  We should believe him. He was an expert in lies.

 Do you really believe that Muhammad designed Islam as a timeless religion for billions of people just to fulfill narcissistic ambitions in his short 22 year career?

Yes! That is how narcissist cult leaders devise their causes. Their causes are always transcendental, cosmic, encompassing, unrivaled and divine.  The cause is the source of their power. The loftier and the more awe inspiring it is the more powerful they become.   Will you kill your father, your mother or children for money or for any trivial cause?  No sane person will commit such crime for any mundane gain.  However, if I elevate the cause. make it sound more important than your life and the lives of everyone, you will do it. There are many stories like that in early Islam. You can find them in my book and you will see them in my movie.  Even today, Muslims kill their children because they violate some Islamic rule or apostatize. That is because for them Islam is more important that the lives of all mankind. When you become this brainwashed, you become very dangerous.

Does a narcissist obligate people to feed the poor, give charity, look after orphans?

Yes, 0f course! The narcissist will have to first convince you of his legitimacy and for that he will tell you things that you can readily recognize as good. Will anyone follow someone who spews only evil teachings? The narcissist’s only tool is deception. He also uses fear, but that too is administered through deception. He can control you as long as you believe in him. Therefore, he must portray a holy image of himself. It is that image that hooks you.  If the mask is removed he will lose all his credibility and power.  For the narcissist, the image is everything.  Therefore his words are always lofty and deceiving.

So how can you distinguish a true leader from an impostor charlatan?  You can recognize them by their fruits.  Don’t pay attention to what they say. Words are used  to deceive. Pay attention to how they live. Compare their words with their deeds.  They often don’t match. If someone does not walk his own talk it is a clear sign that he is an impostor and not true spiritual leader.  Muslims only quote Muhammad’s words to show that he was a holy man. Words are misleading. Look at his life instead, if you want to learn the truth about him.

It’s worth repeating: for the narcissist the image is everything.  He feeds off other people who hurl back at him an image that he projects.  That is the main difference between a narcissist and a sociopath. The sociopath does not care about his image. He wants to control his victims physically through fear. Both sociopath and narcissist use fear as the a tool of domination.  The former uses fear physically, such as threatening his victims with maiming them or killing them. The latter uses it psychologically, such as threatening them with Hellfire.  The narcissist resorts to violence through his followers, when he comes to power.  He doesn’t generally soil his hands with blood.  His minions will do all his dirty work for him. The aura of holiness for a narcissist is a sine qua non. All cult leaders, without exception, are “holy people.” They want to be admired as holy men and they brag about their holiness while feigning modesty.

At-Tirmidhi quotes a hadith that is typical narcissistic talk.  “The Prophet said, I myself am the Beloved of Allâh (habibullah) and I say this without pride, and I carry the flag of glory (liwa ul-hamd) on the Day of Judgment, and am the first intercessor and the first whose intercession is accepted, and the first to stir the circles of Paradise so that Allâh will open it for me and I shall enter it together with the poor among my Community, and I say this without pride. I am the most honored of the First and the Last, and I say this without pride.”

Now compare this pompous bragging with his actions. He lived like a thug. He was the head of a gang of bandits who raided innocent people, ruthlessly massacred unarmed men, took their wives and children as slaves and sold them or raped them. He assassinated his critics, tortured his prisoners to death to make them reveal where they had hidden their money, and had sex with a child. He actually went after two other children but the girls were afraid of him and cried out “I take refuge in Allah from you” and he desisted.  One was Jauniyah from Bani Jaun and the other was Fatima bt. Zahhak from the Hawazin tribe.

If I do any of the things Muhammad did, you would not hesitate to call me a criminal and would rejoice in hearing my execution by lethal injection. I confess that I become very happy when a despicable criminal is removed from the society for good.  Yet you have no problem believing that Muhammad was a holy man, the best specimen that human race can produce and justify all his crimes. Can you explain that?   This is cultic thinking.  The fact that Islam is spread widely and now 1.5 billion benighted souls believe in it, doesn’t make it a true religion. It is still a cult.

Jesus lived a holy life.  He never committed any of the crimes that Muhammad committed, and yet, when someone called him good master he objected and said the only good is my Father who is in Heaven. Do you see the difference?  A man who lived like a monster, claimed to be the most prefect man and the most immaculate man refused to be called good.

Did Muhammad feed the poor and the orphan? No! He raided, looted people and reduced thousands into poverty. He made thousands of children orphan.  There is a famous story of a certain Oqba, a man he captured in the battle of Badr and decided to decapitate him because he had spat at him in Mecca, some years earlier.  Oqba cried, “And who will take care of my children?” Muhammad responded, “Hell.”

Muhammad did not help the poor. He only helped those who had migrated to Medina with the money that he had stolen in his raids, with their help. Any gangster will show generosity to his gang. This is done to buy their loyalty.  Did you see the movie Godfather? Wasn’t Don’t Corleone, the head of the family, generous and helpful to people who came to him for help? They wanted to pay him for his services, but he was offended and refused to get their money.  Why? Because he wanted to gain their loyalty so in future they may return the favor.  Muhammad did not help any orphan. He only gave lip service to it to feign piety. Up to this day you quote his deceptive words, even though you can’t provide any example of his generosity to the poor and the orphan. That is why he said them. Without these words would you or anyone follow him?  You are deceived by these sugary words. To undeceive yourself you have to ignore his words and look at his deeds.  Know them by their fruits.

Does a narcissist say that animals live in communities like us and should be respected?

First of all animals don’t live in communities like us.  Only chimpanzees and other big apes that are very close to us have societies that barely resemble that of primitive human societies. Even then their “society” is more similar to lion prides than to human societies. So this claim is scientifically wrong.

Furthermore, this verse does not imply that animals should be respected. This is your interpretation. Muslims are fond of interpreting the asinine verses of the Quran to find something meaningful or even miraculous in them.  The biggest festivity in Islam is Eid Ul Azha when countless animals are slaughtered. Muslims also sacrifice animals when they go to pilgrimage. Until not long ago the carcasses of these animals were buried.   There is no prohibition of cruelty to animals in Islam.  Other people consume meet but they do their best to reduce the suffering of the animal.  Muslims don’t consume meet unless the animals has been killed cruely. Halal meet means animal torture.  I encourage people to boycott stores that sell halal food.

Does a narcissist say that you should never go to sleep full when your neighbour is hungry?

Yes!  The narcissist is full of lofty teachings for others.  His entire plot is to deceive others that he is a holy person.  But in practice, he gives a damn about the poor and the hungry.   Read the story of Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir. Muhammad invented false excuses to expel them from their ancestral homes and took everything they owned. Many of them died with hunger in the desert, something Muslim historians gloated about.  The charges against them were all fabricated, but assuming they were true, were all of them guilty, including the children?

Does a narcissist love his wife as much as Muhammad loved and cried over Khadijah?

You need to read my book. I have explained the symbiotic relationship between the narcissist Muhammad and the co-dependent Khadijah. Both these individuals were sick. They needed each other.  He was a child to her to take care of and she was a mother to him, to exploit.  They both enjoyed this sadomasochist relationship. As a psychiatrist you know the symbiotic relationship between a narcissist and a co-dependent. It works, but it is not love. Please read my book.

Does a narcissist teach that no race has superiority over the other?

Did Muhammad teach that?  Muhammad believed that Arabs are superiors to all other races, the Quraish are superior to other Arabs, the Bani Hashims are superior to other clans and that he is superior to all mankind.  There are several hadiths that prove that. You can find them in my book.

Muslims so disdain the black race that Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. [Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad. Ash-Shifa. Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman Bewley. Medina Press, fifth print 2004, p.375]

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  1. Slave mentality,
    It was very ' scientific' of your prophet to have washed his private part but went unkempt for ages with the result that his head was infested with lice. Clearly allah did not have problems with such a poor state of personal hygiene. Instead of getting water for daily baths, he was obsessed with perfumes to cover the body stench which oozed from his filthy body. Aisha told how she used to perfume him everyday before he went round all his wives. There is something wrong with allah which abhorred mustache entering one's mouth while condoning body odor and head lice.

  2. @Slave of Prophet
    Let me correct/edit first para of my above post here

    /You are a non-believer in prophet. Do not make fool of Muslims/.
    Exactly i am more believer in robber and pedophile
    The editing is ,"Exactly i am "not any"…believer in robber and pedophile.

    You have not answered the following crucial para's from my above post.
    1./Prophet said it is haram in the eyes of Allah if moustache go in mouth. So, it is better for believers to get shave their moustache completely./
    Who created human being ? if Allah than why he allowed mustache to grow .If not than there is another power above Allah you accept this.

    2./Woman also likes shaved moustache person./
    See how low level Mohammed was and you call him divine personalities. His all preaching was wobble around penny and pussy.He is only a low level "penny pussy" prophet,you accept this.

    dear answer these too para's,and than further debate.

  3. @Abdul Majid
    Washing the private parts is culture of civilized people. Animals do not do this. Prophet was a scientific person. He was aware enough about the shortage of water in desert land. So, at such land like Arabia desert taking bath once in a weak enough and it is a humanistic and scientific approach. Scull cap is symbol of believers. Why do have problem with half Pajama? In western country people especially ladies have outfit like panty/ knickers only. Muslim are much batter than them. How will you feel if a pubic hair found in you meal? All world is mad after pussy. If not what you do with your girl.

  4. @Slave of Prophet

    /You are a non-believer in prophet. Do not make fool of Muslims/.
    Exactly i am more believer in robber and pedophile

    /Prophet was a scientific personality/
    In which faculty he was scientific ,washing and cutting banana

    /He taught believers how to maintain attractive / divine personality./
    wearing scull cap and half size pajama growing beard drinking camel urine and taking bath once in a weak does this make attractive huh! .What divinity a thug carries.

    /Prophet said it is haram in the eyes of Allah if moustache go in mouth. So, it is better for believers to get shave their moustache completely./
    Who created human being ? if Allah than why he allowed mustache to grow .If not than there is another power above Allah you accept this.

    /Woman also likes shaved moustache person./
    See how low level Mohammed was and you call him divine personalities. His all preaching was wobble around penny and pussy.He is only a low level "penny pussy" prophet,you accept this.
    I am ashamed to call this Mad man's believer.It don't make any difference to me ,if you call me Kufr.

  5. @Kufr Abdul Majid
    You are a non-believer in prophet. Do not make fool of Muslims. You are an apostate in disguise of believers name. Prophet was a scientific personality. He taught believers how to maintain attractive / divine personality. Skull cap is symbol of believers. Prophet said it is haram in the eyes of Allah if moustache go in mouth. So, it is better for believers to get shave their moustache completely. Woman also likes shaved moustache person.

  6. I-HATE-ISLAM
    oh!! this is sensational ,this site is providing awe some information about this Mohammed and his cult ,thanks for this inputs.

  7. Abdul,
    Thanks for the authentic revelation. That explains why Muhammad dyed his hair and even eye lashes. Not satisfied with those effeminate things, he went further to wear the clothes of his wives to 'get inspiration'. And the knuckle heads are stupid enough to regard him as anything other than a fraudster.

  8. All here pay their attention Now i am going to reveal an hidden authentic Hadith supposed to be compiled during the life time of Mohammed (predates Quran). Because it revealed to Mohammed while taking bath in zem zem water it is known as "zem zem Hadith".There is one sura called "fhatey safed bal", in it , Allah insist Mohammed not to dye his hair with black colour.Mohammed asked Allah ,"oh Allah i am bald now ,how can I colour my hair,Allah laughed and said stupid this is for the follower of faith". Actually Mohammed was bald and deprived of mustache too ,this is a sign of impotency .Abu Bakr, Utman ,Omar ,Ali were dyeing their hair while visiting Mohammed ,they look young and all women in the harem were looking at these gentlemen with lust full eye's.Mohammed knew the reason of repeated visit of all these people to his house and the attitude of all these women in harem towards these gentlemen. With an intention of striping these people from hair dyeing so that the woman should not get attracted and to make these people too impotent like him he sought the help of Allah, lo!! Allah came and revealed the above sura .The sura continue further,every men should grow beard but not mustache,every one should wear skull cap(obviously to hide Mohammed's bald head). This above Hadith was recently excavated in Mecca from the rubble of an old mud house.

  9. Muhammad the pedo
    Thursday 30 May 2013, 4:08 am

    waaa waaa waambulance

  10. I ma extremely bemused by Muslims' comments here. they arguing in circles against all the evidence. For me it is simple, I dont need to read any book whatsoever except the Quran. What di I find there, hatred and f violence against fellow human. That was enough for me to condemn it as a fake and a religion. It laos amuses me, that when muslims (here) ran out of arguments they made him "The most influential man in history". Are they saying because he is influential then he is a holy man? :-) talk about brainwashing.

  11. Does the Qur'an have anything good to say at all?After all, Islam has seduced a billion souls; there must be something godly somewhere.

    Qur'an 68:1 "I call to witness the Pen and what it writes. [The Islamic god just asked an inanimate object to bolster his credibility by witnessing on his behalf.] You are not a demented madman or possessed."

    With all the evidence to the contrary, Muhammad found a spirit who didn't think he was crazy.
    But as reassuring as that may sound to some, it's one of the most disturbing things I have read in a document that purports to be scripture. For if we are to take this at face value, the Islamic god found it necessary to tell his last and most important messenger that he wasn't demon-possessed.

  12. So the most immoral man to claim prophet status, Mohammad said of himself:
    Qur'an 68:4 "You are an exalted character of tremendous morality. Soon you will see, and they will see, which of you is afflicted with madness. Surely the Lord knows best who errs from His way, and who follows the right course. So don't listen to those who deny, or those who would form compromises with you to get you to relent. Heed not despicable men or contemptible swearers or back-biters, neither obey feeble oath-mongers, or slanderers, going about defaming, hindering good, transgressing beyond bounds, crude, deep in sin, violent and cruel, greedy, and intrusive, ignoble, and besides all that, mean and infamous because they possesses wealth and numerous sons." I'm astonished that someone would have the gall to pass off this hateful, mean-spirited rant as scripture. There were twenty slurs in this paragraph alone. One would have been more than sufficient.

  13. Surely the Fourth Pillar will fare better: "4. To perform Hajj." Nope. That's impossible too.

    The only explanations of the Hajj are in the Sunnah. No aspect of the pilgrimage can be performed without referencing the Hadith. Muslims would be lost without it.
    Do you suppose Allah will redeem himself and explain the final pillar in his "perfect, detailed, and final revelation to mankind?"

    Bukhari:V1B2N7 "5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan." Guess what? Allah forgot to explain the nature of the fast. Without the Hadith, Muslims would be expected to forgo eating during the entire month of Ramadhan. But that's not the way they observe the fast, for it's not the way it's explained in the Sunnah. As a matter of fact, without the Hadith, Muslims wouldn't know why Ramadhan was special.

    The only account of the initial revelation is in their Traditions – initially chronicled by Ishaq and then copied by Bukhari, Muslim, and Tabari.

    Without Ibn Ishaq and those who copied and edited his arrangement of Hadith concerning Muhammad’s words and deeds, there would be no Islam. The Qur'an is senseless and the Five Pillars are meaningless. Faith is folly. And that's especially true since the lone individual responsible for Islam, Allah, and the Qur'an, preached: Bukhari:V9B88N174 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'Far removed from mercy are those who change the religion of Islam after me! Islam cannot change!'"

    The penalty for escaping Muhammad’s clutches has always been high. Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" This was no ordinary prophet or religion. No, Muhammad was special. He was a terrorist and a pirate, and you don't find too many of those in religious circles. Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror. The treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.'"

    Yes, Islam was always about power, money, sex and Mohammad. It was all about Muhammad, and he knew it. That is why he required his Sunnah, or example to be enacted as law.

    Tabari IX:82 "The Messenger sent [killer] Khalid out to collect taxes with an army of 400 and ordered him to invite people to Islam before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them."

    His Sunnah has become the basis for Islamic law – the most repressive code on earth. And Muslims follow his example, which is why they are the most violent people on earth.

    So it all comes down to this: If the Hadith Collections of Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim are true, Muhammad was the most evil man who ever lived, Allah was the most demented god ever conceived, and Islam was the most vile doctrine ever imposed on humankind. If, however, the Hadith Collections are untrue, then nothing is known of Muhammad, the conception of his god, or his formation of Islam. There is no rational reason to believe it, observe it, suffer under it, or die for it.

  14. Contradictions aside and priorities confused, I promised to resolve Islam’s absolute reliance on the Sunnah by analyzing the "officially recognized" Pillars.

    To begin: Bukhari:V1B2N7 "Allah’s Apostle said: 'Islam is based on (the following) five (principles):

    1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.'" Let's tackle them one at a time.
    In its present order, the Qur'an's initial surah, the 2nd, (the 1st is an invocation, not a revelation as it speaks to god not to man) makes a transition from Ar-Rahman to Allah.
    But as we read on, this changes.
    The Qur'anic God becomes Ar-Rahman again and then a nameless Lord. Without the chronology the Sira's Hadith provide, Muslims don't know who God is or how many of them there are.

    Furthermore, they know nothing about the "Apostle." Without the Sunnah, acknowledging him in the profession of faith is like a recording device asking to be credited for bringing you the songs of your favorite artist.
    But it gets worse.

    The Qur'an orders Muslims to obey the Messenger. If you don't know what he ordered, that's impossible. The Qur'an alleges that it's entirely composed of Allah’s commands, not Muhammad’s, so you'd be out of luck.

    The Qur'an also tells Muslims that they must follow the Messenger's example, yet the only place that example is established is in the Sunnah. Therefore, Islam’s First Pillar is utterly meaningless, and impossible to implement, without Ishaq and Tabari.

    The Second Pillar is: "2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly."

    Once again, that's not feasible. The "compulsory congregational prayer" isn't described in the Qur'an. There aren't even any clues. In fact, the Qur'an says that there should be three prayers, none of which it depicts, and the Hadith demands five. The only explanation of the obligatory prostration is found in the Sunnah – and even then it's never described by the prophet himself. Muslims are performing a ritual without Qur'anic precedence. As such, the Second Pillar is rubble.

    Let's see if the Third Pillar survives without the Sunnah. To find out, we turn to the Hadith: Bukhari:V1B2N7 "3. To pay Zakat." How is that possible when the terms of the Zakat are omitted from the Qur'an? The first to commit them to paper was Ishaq. A century later, Tabari referenced Ishaq's Hadith. The only reason Muslims can pay the Zakat is because Ishaq explained it to them. Islam is bankrupt without the Sira.

  15. Dr Ali Sina I admire your courage sir, thank you for your insights on Islam. It is so refreshing.

    The penalty for escaping Muhammad’s clutches has always been high. Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" This was no ordinary prophet or religion. No, Muhammad was special. He was a terrorist and a pirate, and you don't find too many of those in religious circles. Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror. The treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.'"

  16. It all comes down to this: If the Hadith Collections of Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim are true, Muhammad was the most evil man who ever lived, Allah was the most demented god ever conceived, and Islam was the most vile doctrine ever imposed on humankind. If, however, the Hadith Collections are untrue, then nothing is known of Muhammad, the conception of his god, or his formation of Islam. There is no rational reason to believe it, observe it, suffer under it, or die for it.

  17. Alas, Islam was not all murder, plunder, and lust. There was war. Tabari VII:105 "In this year there was the expedition of the Messenger to Uhud. In year three of the Islamic Era (March, 625) the Quraysh were provoked against the Messenger because he had killed their nobles and chiefs at Badr."

    The Meccans had witnessed the prophet's demented behavior at the pit. "Muhammad has bereaved us and killed our best men. So help us defend ourselves against him and perhaps we will obtain vengeance for those he has slain." They wanted to prevent the onslaught from continuing. Yet today, Muslims raise shrill voices protesting that Uhud was proof that the Meccans were the aggressors and that Muhammad was forced into defending his flock. But their own scriptures say otherwise, putting Islam in a difficult position. If these Hadiths are accurate, their prophet was a warmongering terrorist and a ruthless pirate. But if these Traditions are not true, they have no prophet and thus no religion – for nothing else is known about him or of Islam’s beginnings.

    So, is there anything good about Islam? Read your own Hadiths!!!!

  18. Leo, oh Leo, you are the one who is living in "your primitive hallusinitive thought".
    If non-Muslims can read your hadith, your Sira, your Tarikh and your Koran why can't you?

    Perhaps after reading those, you will change your mind. The sources for Dr Ali Sina
    essays on Islam are all inside The Hadith, Sira & Tarikh.

  19. Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist., a paedophile, a murderer, a brigand. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence.

    And if you think that this is wrong – read the slam’s scriptures, the Sira, The Hadiths, The Tarikh.

  20. Only Muslims go to hell

  21. Well done Dr Ali Sina.
    Only the deluded Muslims fail to appreciate your arguments

  22. cont'd…
    The overall point is not about mohammed, it's about whether islam has a future and right now it's looking dimmer and dimmer.
    The fastest growing religion on the planet is Atheism, but it gets weird as that's a gateway to many ex-faithful across ideologies, who after a time over 90% of them seek out other faiths, and overwhelmingly these days, it's Paganism, and this ties into the Pagan Resurgence as well as heavily-driven by modern Eco-Awareness.
    Simply put, every 100 new converts to islam = 350 to 900 who leave and either get killed or find their way to another faith.
    Same thing's happening to christianity.

    The biggest problem is that islam is well-known for the insane violence we're seeing and have been seeing for a while now, and insistence in going against establsihed cultures and such, the 'islamification' phenomenon.
    People are getting past-tolerance of it, and are getting ready to lash out and strike back.
    The whole species is getting pushed to the that point, and the odds in such a conflict don't favor islam.
    Because islam forces people to adapt their personal lives in the face of hostility, persecution, etc..
    islam won't be facing US troops, they'll be facing huge and angry mobs.
    It'll be THAT kind of global conflict.
    islam has to change, evolve and stop thinking that it's going to rule Humanity and such…that is never going to happen. Humanity will destroy itself in nuclear fire first.
    As for insults vs. mohammed–well, the world's pissed off.
    NO one is listening to the arguments that 'it's only a few' muslims committing atrocities, because they're tired of hearing it, and want to strike back from old-time promal-brain Defense Reaction. Insults vs. mohammed aren't the problem, it's really nothing more than a marker poin on a 'thermometer' as it were–a gauge for how increasingly enraged and frustrated the Human species is getting in regards to a small part of itself that's causing a great deal of trouble.
    If muslims truly want to survive the next decade, and have islam also, then they have to rein in their idiot warmongering leaders, jihadists, and all that other violent crap and islam must evolve and change–evolve or die, that's the law of the universe, and the universe could care less about how any of us feel about that.
    The taliban (may they all die slowly of prostate and testicular cancer) shot that 14 Yr old girl, and have claimed that if she lives they'll finish her off.
    Next time they do something like that, or some other bunch of hardliners does…that could very likely be a Global Trigger Event.

    …and if you seriously think islam and all the muslims of the world can even begin to fight successfully vs. Humanity when it decides to make a problem 'go away'…well, consult history.
    That one mosque I included the link for, they're one small step in the evolution of islam, an evolutionary change that some will embrace, and others will fight.
    When the Event came that annihilated the dinosaurs, some evolved into birds and survive to this day.
    The majority…we pump into the fuel tanks of vehicles now.
    islam is not above the Facts of life and existence in the Universe, and it's merciless when it comes to applying it's laws of Change.

    As for money, I'm happiest when out in the deep wilds with Husband and the Fillies, absolutely Minimal gear, and we do 90% living off the land.
    And given these days, I count myself VERY lucky I have Husband who knows how to very comfortably survive and live in the wilds, and has been so great in educating me in such.
    I think everyone's biggest enemy these days are the flopwits entrusted with too much power and not near enough accountability when it comes to Global Economics.

  23. Cont'd…

    There's debates about whether mohammed even existed, to be honest. That's the trouble with history, it's forensic analysis about long-distant points and such.
    mohammed's deeds and sayings are all recorded in islamic religious materials, and he did in point of fact engage in treachery against allies and people who'd been promised safety by him.
    His statements regarding women, even Aisha wasn't happy about.
    You and I both know all the information is in the materials.
    As for the argument that because I'm a westerner and a woman am incapable of properly understanding the islamic religious texts and such–that is pure and absolute nonsense. They were written to be understood by Humans, and I am a Human. I have read the english versions and have had the assistance of Elderfolks life-long fluent in Arabic that helped me immensely in cross-correlation between English & Arabic versions. There are NO significant variances that would lead to any but the most negligible and insignificant misperceptions–and Arabic actually translates to english very completely also.
    As for the 'deficiency of female intellect' that the islamic community loves to harp about, that's again nonsense.
    If I was a dullard, Husband would not seek my insight in helping him with solving complex issues regarding projects he works with under contract that I am cleared to see also–nor would he involve me so intimately in the formation of the business we're seeking to launch relating to alternative energy.
    I have my own hypothesis regarding the essential 'what' of Quantum Entanglement actually, and when i have the time I'll be sending it off after I finish writing it.
    Also, cross-correlating all that religious material between two languages was not 'simple' or quick…and Arabic is a printed language that is sheer hell for a Dyslexic to work around and with.
    Thus, my intelligence is confirmed, as is that of other women–although believe me, there are some out there that are so stupid and ditzy they're an embarrassment to the entire species.
    They play to what the world expects of them, as do we all.

  24. I could state some Facts about Mr. Sina that would surprise you, but that is HIS personal business and I will sooner flatline the entire home networks here and every server we have than release results of my curiosity-driven private files.
    Yes, like many, I was curious and began investigating to learn more about Mr. Sina.
    I will state this:
    Mr. Sina does indeed exist as a distinct individual.
    Mr. Sina does have impressive and inscrutable credentials.

    Mr. Sina cannot release anymore info about his qualifications right now than he already has–think about it–these days, and trust me on this, even a small snippet of info can be used to track down everything else in a person's life.
    If you had the name of a school, and a country, that's all you need to run down everything on a person given time–and it doesn't take much if you know what you're doing. I did just that to a friend of mine who thought internet safety wasn't all that important.
    I had her cellphone # (her private 'family only' cellphone) and her credit card info in 30 minutes, as well as other personal pieces of info that someone could do a LOT of damage with…like the alarm code for her home.
    She now knows that when I say 'be careful', I am NOT kidding. I burned all that info of course.
    Remember I learned the HARD and bloody way by nearly being killed what internet security and personal safety is all about.
    Because of that, I've already not merely erased the file I had on Mr. Sina, I ran a 'fileshredder' on that entire harddrive 5 times afterwards then defragmented it. Even a S.Q.U.I.D.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID

    based system wouldn't be able to make sense out of that jumble. YES, these things are routinely used in data recovery by Law Enforcement–and others not so Law-oriented.

    I'm making myself a target right now for someone who might wish to get at Mr. Sina, right?
    This is a fairly public venue, yes?
    Many things here show on search engines…that's why I burned that file and drive right to the ground, and then some, and mainly out of respect for Mr. Sina. I satisfied my curiosity, that's all the purpose the info served,
    MY curiosity.
    A final word on internet security;
    ALWAYS THINK before giving any, and I mean ANY info out over the web.
    Even the most innocuous info can be used to find other bits, and with enough bits…you have the whole picture.
    I'm just a Researcher, that's all…and there's folks out there who blow me right out of the saddle when it comes to running info down.

    Now, that out of the way…
    I already know you're not going to like what I have to say, but that's Life and honesty. Truth isn't always pretty, but I'm not going to sugarcoat or falsify things, as that's just flat-out disrespectful.

    I have to break this up, it's too long otherwise…

  25. Marlene thanks for letting us know about your qualification. How about Julia and Mr. Sina? No body actually knows about their qualifications. Does Mr. Sina really exist? or a group of Islam haters are making one name Sina. Could you please request this Mr. Sina to disclose his qualifications? From your background, now I know what you will understand and what you will not. But about Mr. Sina and Julia, I don't have any clue. I hope Mr. Sina will tell us his qualification and I can start my arument about all the medical mistake he made. I will wait for the answer. You can only shed light to people who has knowledge. I would not spend my precious time here if Mr. Sina would not abuse my Prophet Mohammad SWA who is the best of the creation. I will prove Mr. Sina is wrong and a total failure. I don't need his fifty thousand dollars because by the grace of Almighty Allah I make that amount of money ruoghly in ten days.

  26. "''Yet this is the complaint against Julia . . . targeting person -rather than views and whatnot. "

    Fair enough, point it out, if not for the past, then from now on. I shall consider if Julia's behavior is personal, against Muslims, or against Islam. Because that is what you ask from me, it seems.

    But I also consider that she made it abundantly clear here that she only spoke to you in this derogatory way because you defended Islam, more specifically the parts of it she fears and wants to see replaced by something better in her opinion.

  27. Thank you for this answer, which I enjoyed.

    Yes, I do condone, encourage Julia! She does have a good cause! She explains it well too, with her reasons.

    And it is merely your OPINION that you proved or disproved anything in regard to that. And that is my opinion.

    Look, you are very good, Aminriadh, but you too easily think you win. You have a hard long battle on this site ahead of you, if you want to engage in a good verbal war. Is my opinion.

    I honestly do not think that a Muslim would be banned here for what Julia said here. Ali Sina believes in the Golden Rule to the bitter end.

    "No it doesn't – no has ever changed mind of some by swearing at them.
    Or trading insults."

    Logical enough answer, and in the short run probably true. But in the long run it is different. Because when later on a person is about to repeat what he is scolded for he pauses, not wanting to give ammunition to his critic.

    And when later on a person is treated by others in a similar way as the way he is scolded for, he will use the argument against this other perpetrator.

    Insults are what people are stung by. Insults are, if possible, used back at the insulter everytime this insulter does anything remotely comparable to what he accused someone of.

    The treat of being accused of "Hypocrisy" is so powerful. And Insults invite insulted people to monitor others around them much more.

    Look, I am a fallible human being, but this is my honest opinion.

  28. "You have supported – swearing and personal abuse towards me . . . . . . . and you are expecting what?

    You have no position to speak of – you are a hypocrite . . . I have asked you several times . . . you avoid it. "

    My position I think I made clear in my various extensive answers. And I expect you not to agree with me, but to show me you read and understood what I wrote. You do not show me that much.

    But your tactic seems to be to dismiss my answers with the argument that they are not on topic and diversions and invalid for all sorts of reasons,

    then to claim I avoided answering!

    The conundrum can end when we honourably agree to disagree, call this altercation a draw and move on with a clean slate.

  29. "but asks some very spefcific questions . . .

    you haven't answered them . . . and YOU have turned this into a row."

    Oh, let us agree to disagree, start with a clean slate. To defuse any sort of row.

    I did answer extensively and I will continue to do so, but you keep dismissing my answers, refusing to answer me in a decent way, like now again:

    "I am not playing such games."

    as if you are in charge here, like some judge in a court. But we are equals. We should give and take equally in my opinion. Or, as I said, start over, call it a draw.

  30. Demsci "You are in such a haste to discredit me, why? "
    Aminriadh: Where and how?

    Answer;
    Aminriadh:
    "However – here is you hypocrisy . . .why is it that it is ONLY Muslims. Yet many non-Muslims are of this category too."

    You could have interpreted what I said without resorting to calling it hypocrisy. Because I had pointed out that there were other categories of humans. And also because it is obvious that allies differ from enemies, which alone justifies preferring category C over category D, this time without moral considerations, but merely strategical ones.

  31. "Swearing at someone isn't simply "treating harshly" – but plain wrong."

    This is just your opinion. it is even merely your opinion that what Julia did while addressing you was indeed swearing. When I asked you to point out what it exactly was that was "unacceptable swearing' you responded with the lame, dismissing, avoiding answer: "Why should I do that?". Well, you should do it to be consistent with your own constant demand to others of clearing up, backing up positions, opinions, remarks, statements etc. Dismissing those if they are not backed up to your satisfaction. Very much in your own favor.

    "Yet you have dug yourself a hole – by attempting to justify it.:"

    Perhaps it has dawned on you by now that on the subject of free speech and it's boundaries I feel very much at home and that I am pretty clear and sure about what my position is. And I can defend my position in depth, with ease.

    But I propose that we declare that we can agree to disagree, that we can proceed with a clean slate. And discuss Islam and other topics on other threads.

  32. "Another baseless and false accusation."

    Not an accusation, merely an opinion. This very answer of yours is about dismissing and thus avoiding a real answer and typical of you.

    You have not even been willing or capable of showing that your position is NOT that

    You prefer, like more, are more loyal, to ALL Muslims than to ALL FOLLOWERS of the so-called "Islam-hate-group".

    I told you that that, in reverse, I preferred, liked more, would be more loyal to "noble" Muslims than to "ignoble" followers of so-called "Islam-hate-groups".

    But we needed only to formulate how "noble"' and "ignoble" can be defined.

    This was in my opinion very relevant to the criticism of you on me that I supported an ally, Julia, with in your opinion revolting behavior.

    My concession was that I would prefer a noble adversary, you, over an ignoble ally, Julia in your opinion. Under certain conditions, circumstances.

    YOU DISMISSED THIS, stopping the debate at that point.

  33. "Oh . . you say such stuff all over the place."
    '
    Another dismissal. Worse than avoiding answers in my opinion.

  34. "Which rules . . . what the hell are you talking about?"

    Well, these apparent rules about it being somehow obligatory to answer specific questions, while that is a free choice.

    Your apparent rule about for answers to be credible they must all be supported by sufficient valid proof and good arguments.

    Without any kind of independent debateleader to judge it, because this cannot be left to the OPINION of one of the debaters obviously!

    This apparent rule of yours that answers without sufficient valid proof and arguments can be considered out of hand incredible and termed BS, spiels, rants, diversion while many derogatory judgements can be applied to them. Without mentioning that that is merely your opinion.

    Well, the audience might have a different opinion and find that haughty, arrogant. And done for purposes of discouraging critical examination of Islam.

    With a fair streak of implied strawman and ad hominem fallacies in your replies too.

    This is my opinion and, in opposition to another one of your apparent rules, I do not need to back it up. Any more than you need to refute it.

    Because opinions are free here, in both directions.

  35. First of all: I propose we start with a clean slate, Aminriadh. And each time we disagree or one of us feels the other avoids answers. Because that is not such a big deal as you make it out it is. It is not reguired to answer everything and when one does respond it is still not the rule that one answers to answer completely. I suggest you accept that.

    But I can answer your question about supporting Julia. And I did it before. But You have this tendency to DISMISS my many and extensive answers.

    With negative opinions of you about my answers being on topic or not and on its contents. You behave like a haughty IMAM, cutting off the curiosity of his pupils, because their remarks are troublesome and perhaps, yes, not up to HIS standard, whereas perfectly normal and acceptable to most people, were they interested in the topic.

    Now then, we already agreed that Julia operated within free speech. And my support she fully has because, as I wrote,

    I see beneficial results coming from putting Muslims under pressure.

    I compare putting Muslims under pressure the way Julia does it

    NOT with some kind of ignoring problems with Islam and interpretation of it by Muslims.

    and NOT with some kind of civilized-only, polite, respectful responses to these problems.

    Those 2 ways of responding to vexing problems both can fail, fall short of getting sufficient results.

    No, I compare putting pressure on Muslims like Julia does, with violent warfare, hurting of bodies. And I consider Julia's ways better than that.

    I consider that Julia's ways can succeed where the abovementioned other 2 peaceful ways of reacting to vexing problems fail. I wrote why too.

    And still Julia's way is without hurting bodies. Yes, I concede that it does hurt feelings, and of innocent people too.

    But that is totally acceptable for me. If it stays ONLY VERBAL.

    I would feel completely safe with Julia 100 % of the time. She will NEVER resort to violence unless violently attacked. She will not become violently after ANY amount of swearing, insulting.

    She has no sensitivities about any "prophet"' to let her become violent should that "prophet" be insulted or even vetted.

    And I know She, Ali Sina and I believe in the Golden Rule and all of us are totally prepared to take/ tolerate ALL FROM Muslims that we dish out TO Muslims.

    And about Julia's capacities; she has at her fingertips veritable libraries, countless website, newssites, encyclopedia's about Islam. she will never run out of arguments against Islam. And you have only begun to refute a tiny amount of what is capable of giving you as challenges. Her capacities are enormous, she is limited by lack of space, time and stamina. But she already has shown enormous stamina and fighting spirit.

    Fair enough answers? But remember; I do not need your approval, nor your agreement about the rules that to me you seem to apply.

  36. "We have never agreed upon the rules you apply. "

    Which rules . . . what the hell are you talking about?

    - – -

    "You have no right to expect more from me than I expect from you. and I expect little from you. "

    Oh . . you say such stuff all over the place.

    I asked you about your support of Julia . . .

    And rather than answering that . . .

    You have come up with rules drama.

    - – -

    I had to shut your other one up. . . . what do you do?

    Find a new strand.

    - – -

    I am not playing these bitchy games.

    - – -

    This comment has questions . . . either answer ELSE

    don't row.

    - – -

    Make baseless accusations against me. . . .

    I will call you out.

  37. I like your drama – this comment strand isn't about playing by any rules . . .

    but asks some very spefcific questions . . .

    you haven't answered them . . . and YOU have turned this into a row.

    - – -

    In another comment – you have made such accusations . . . I have said . . . . I am prepared to go through . . . and prove every single such baseless accusation.

    - – -

    Why have you started this rant here?

    - – -

    "You are the negative one, the debate-stopper here, not I. "

    Another baseless and false accusation.

    - – - –

    This comment was about your support for Julia . . .

    You haven't answered.

    But created a row.

    - – -

    I asked you not create more BS theories like you categories one.

    - – -

    What do you do? More rowing.

    I have already said. I am not playing such games.

    - – - –

  38. Sorry, Corrections;

    We have never agreed upon the rules you apply.

    I do not need you or your questions.

    You have no right to expect more from me than I expect from you. and I expect little from you.

  39. Fine, have it your own way.

    BS, Not playing this game, nothing to do with the argument,

    The above is in large part a list of dismissing answers.

    It is only your opinion what you express here. We have never made up any of such rules that you keep applying. I do NOT play by your rules. They are only YOUR opinion about how to debate and nonsensical to me. You are not the moderator here and I don't you or your answers and questions.

    You are the negative one, the debate-stopper here, not I.

    And every time you keep saying: You avoid answers, run away, answer this, answer, answer I can say back to you:

    Do the same to the same extent instead of dismissing the whole the many answers that I do give. And by the way you avoid/ ignore or forget plenty too. This goes both ways. And you have no right to expect more from than I from you.

    and the best we can say is that we simply agree to disagree.

    The only reasonable solution to both our so-called avoiding, ignoring, forgetting is to start each time with a clean slate.

    Otherwise, I take the liberty to respond to other posters, to respond to your responses here at other places.

  40. hey dude is kaba in the centre of earth?

  41. "This brainwashed, arrogant person can not understand that what I do to him is also in his Quran. "

    yet when we looked at this . . it turned out not to be true.

    Even then . . . I asked Demsci this already . . . would he advocate and you . . . killing Muslims just on on the streets . . . and claim .. . .

    it is from the Quran.

    No – Hence this is a bogus response.

    - – -

    "The reactions of this muslim Amin on me , are the proof that I am on the right track. "

    hardly – one expects you to make such remarks . . .

    and you repeatedly do so.

    – - – -

    "I have mentioned this many times . But I still got no esponse of this muslim . "

    This is an OPEN lie. . . . and nothing more.

    I have responded to the above – and I am prepared to do so here.

    - – -

    It was the lack of any response from you . . . other than a half-hearted response of mentioning Abrogation.

    And then embroiling in meaningless rhetoric of accusations and grandeur claims.

  42. Dear Demsci.
    Thank you for understanding what I am doing.
    "Godsend", wow ,really to much! ;-)
    The reactions of this muslim Amin on me , are the proof that I am on the right track.
    This brainwashed, arrogant person can not understand that what I do to him is also in his Quran.
    My goal is also to show him what the Golden Rule is .
    Surah 9:29 says clearly that disbelievers must be "subdued and humiliated ".
    Amin MUST feel how that feels.
    Also the swearing of Allah towards us kafirun (also when Amin "prays". I have mentioned this many times . But I still got no esponse of this muslim .
    Have a nice, long and FREE life.

  43. ""The vilest of creatures".
    "fuel for hellfire","Swines", "Monkey", etc.
    And you do TOO , everytime you pray these surahs !
    You shot your own foot, Amin ! Again. "

    No I don't – We had s discussion about these alleged verses . . .

    when finally you came around to putting actual references next to these claims of yours . . .

    and it was apparent – there are NO insults there.

    Here again you revert back to claiming these without references. . .

    which shows you are hiding . . . else your drama will become exposed.

    I am perfectly happy to go through them with you . . . one by one. Put some ref number next to them.

    - – -

    "And you have also not answered my question about this ."

    I have . . . and if you put some references next to them – we will go through them again.

    - – -

    "So …you are a liar , because you say ,again and again that you answered all my questions."

    I have answered all your questions – those that i have come across – And the ones that you allege above.

    I am prepared to answer this too.

    - – -

    Claiming I am liar . . you do that every turn possible.

    Besides a false claim . . . it is meant as an Insult.

    You were screaming these things well before I had ever exchanged a word with you . . .

  44. Allah (certainly a big scholar) does in your evil Quran . Aminriadh !
    Remember the surahs about :
    "The vilest of creatures".
    "fuel for hellfire","Swines", "Monkey", etc.
    And you do TOO , everytime you pray these surahs !
    You shot your own foot, Amin ! Again.
    And you have also not answered my question about this . So …you are a liar , because you say ,again and again that you answered all my questions. ( much more then 2, as you, which is a LIE too)

  45. "Good lord !. I am the person with the questions ….AND ,you the muslimscholar, YOU SHOULD, repsond to them. "

    When you see fit – you elevate me to being a Muslim Scholar . . . when your purpose is filled – I am not even a Muslim!

    i have responded everything you say . . . despite the false accusations and abuse. however I am under no obligation o answer!

    - – -

    As someone who formerly used to swear at me . . . it is expected you will come up with such rhetoric.

    What else is new?

  46. "Bad answer, Aminriadh or rather NO answer at all."

    But there was nothing to answer here . . . all you did was take a verse and put your own words in it. I mean when has Quran been in English . . . but that is beside the point.

    What was there to respond. I merely pointed out . . .this isn't the first time i have come across such response. It isn't original – and these days fairly common. There is even Arabic versions of it. I saw some on Youtube.

    - – -

    "You have no adequate answers to my questions ! That is why you come with this drivel . "

    What was your question? As pointed out – the above comment had no question . . .this just points out that . . . you are merely going around claiming drivel – without proof. Here you have shot yourself in the foot! An exposition!

    - – -

    "I don't imagine I am the first one to ask Of course many people did ask the same questions.
    But there never came a clear and logical sound (!) answer (with explanations). "

    Another bogus claim . . .entirely. This one is self-evident. All you did was change some words in an verse . . . that is not a question.

    - – -

    "But I can let you know what I think of you: You are an arrogant, haughty, muslim, who cannot explain his cult Islam. "

    But you have always thought about that about me . . . even before we exchanged a single word. And in comparison . . .this is mild. Hence I have gone up in you estimations and not down!

    - – -

    "NOW, what do you think of MY surah 9:29 . I think readers who hear this for the first time are very interested in your answer ! Huh, huh ! (sorry). NO DIVERSIONS ! "

    Again . . . " I think readers who hear this for the first time" this lets you down. As it shows you inadequacy of dealing with answers. As I pointed out this isn't very original.

    What do I think about it?

    That this is from someone who used to swear and abuse me verbally . . . just for being a muslim.

    I know for a FACT that no God is revealing it . . . but an individual consumed and brainwashed with hate.

  47. Yes,yes, yes….I know ! Amin. Bla,bla bla….
    Now you say that I don't have an adequate response .
    Good lord !. I am the person with the questions ….AND ,you the muslimscholar, YOU SHOULD, repsond to them.
    You, Amin, are the muslim with all the claims that your cult makes. For me it is ALL, till now, still evil nonsense . But I will listen to clear talk of you. I haven't seen it yet.
    Look again at your reaction above. What is that !? What can we learn of it !
    Of course many,many more people came (and will come) up with these "shenigans". That proves how vile and crazy your cult is.!!

  48. @ Amin
    You wrote: "What you haven't done is explained . . . what different Abrogation plays here . . . and why is it relevant".
    My answer : " All your different-Abrogation-talk is silly muslim crap in order to put a veil over this very clear principle.
    All what your socalled muslimscholars have invented is sheer nonsense. You, yourself (and Allah) said that the Quran is easy to understand ( or is this not true , and therefore another lie of yours ?).
    The surah 4:90 is abrogated by surah 9:29 . That's a fact and you know it !

  49. "Bad answer, Amin , no answer rather.You use the well known diversion trick over and over again. "

    Yet you offer up no proof of any "diversion tricks" – and only claim it. It is expected for you to claim it. That is why you need to back up all such claim – with examples.

    You haven't done it. Just made more false accusations. I doubt if this even convinces you!

    - – -

    "The real answer is: YOU DON'T KNOW the answers !
    What are you wailing about where the questions come from ?
    What's the matter with you ? Are you drunk ? We (non-muslims and ex-muslims here) are all ennemies of Islam. We are FIGHTING your evil cult ,stupid (no insult but fact). And Of course we read anti-islamic sites !
    It YOUR "job" to answer our questions and explain why it is not true what we say. "

    Again – as I have pointed out . . . resorting to mere rhetoric.

    If i have NOT answered something . . . please say what. As it is expected you will claim such things. So provide proof. . . .

    The real thing is – it is YOU who has run out. hence more . . . false accusations. Without any proof.

    - – - –

    "If you don't want, then : What are you doing here in the first place?
    B.T.W. You are a muslim , so you are the brainwashed Here ! "

    And you really think . . . this isn't a predictable response. You say such things allover the place.

    That is what I pointed out . . . even before bothering to converse with you. And you have not disappointed.

  50. "But it was about Twitter, something I confess I am still rather unused to. "

    Why does "twitter" . . . make any difference?

    - – -

    "I understand that you want me to jusfify praising and supporting Julia. So that you know that I understand that."

    Finally . . .we might be getting somewhere. Right . . . go on then.

    - – - –

    "I think it is not unjustified to say the support and the praise without reasons, "

    This sentence doesn't make sense to me.

    - – -

    "but I love to give them to you all the way, and I have begun to do so elsewhere on this thread. "

    Neither does this . . . what are you saying? please clarify.

  51. "I target the religion, the views, the opinions, behavior, and only the offensive part of that but NOT the person.
    "

    Yet this is the complaint against Julia . . . targeting person -rather than views and whatnot.

    - – -

    "And it is my opinion that sometimes to put pressure on people to verbal abuse is the alternative for violent war, rebellion, protest. Oh, not in every instance, but taken as a whole. "

    Right . . . in the above you said . . . that you are against targeting the person . . .

    so what are you saying here . . that you are FOR targeting people in some instances.

    - – - –

    "I genuinely believe that this freedom of speech-rule we have, makes many of us avoid violence. And that it already has helped to reduce violence much. "

    Freedom of speech is about allowing . . . such behaviour . . .

    not condoning it.

    You went one step further and condoned it.

    - – - –

    "Yes, people like Julia have a good cause, and they can't follow this only with polite, respectful, non-hurting, nice, approved-by-everybody- words. They cannot succeed thus in our opinion. "

    Julia hasn't got a cause. I have exposed that adequately.

    What are you talking about?

    - – -

    "And I think that counter-jihadists like Julia are a godsend, because they put pressure on Muslims and bystanders trying to understand the issues. And this pressure could well result in the eventual changing of their opinions and/ or behavior. "

    huh? A troll is a troll . . .

    Julia is no "counter-jihadists"

    Whatever that is . . . leaving disgusting personal comments . . .

    what is that?

    - – -

    "And this pressure could well result in the eventual changing of their opinions and/ or behavior. "

    No it doesn't – no has ever changed mind of some by swearing at them.

    Or trading insults.

    - – -

    We are NOT talking about toleration . . . but condoning of trollness. . .

    I gave you the example of Tom the diver.

    = = =

    You have neatly side-stepped that if the insults of Julia were from a Muslim – s/he would get banned on this site.

    But Julia wouldn't. Hypocrisy?

  52. Bad answer, Amin , no answer rather.You use the well known diversion trick over and over again.
    The real answer is: YOU DON'T KNOW the answers !
    What are you wailing about where the questions come from ?
    What's the matter with you ? Are you drunk ? We (non-muslims and ex-muslims here) are all ennemies of Islam. We are FIGHTING your evil cult ,stupid (no insult but fact). And Of course we read anti-islamic sites !
    It YOUR "job" to answer our questions and explain why it is not true what we say.
    If you don't want, then : What are you doing here in the first place?
    B.T.W. You are a muslim , so you are the brainwashed Here !

  53. "We both, perforce, have to avoid many challenges and questions, you do it also all the time. "

    Such as . . . where and which one?

    Name them . . . I will answer.

    Else this is ANOTHER false accusation . . . .

    You have made several . . . you have not given evidence for a single one . . .

    Either provide evidence . . . or this is ANOTHER false accusation . . .

    This what you avoid . . . but in this case if you don't answer – then you have "lied".

    Of course – you are UNDER no obligation to answer.

    = = =

    "challenges being "meaningless'', "spiel", "bull****". These are not really answers, this is simple dismissing answers, as bad as avoiding them. "

    No it isn't . . . as BS is BS -a and hot air . . .

    You point to such examples – That I have labelled as what you claim . . . and we will see – if they have "challenges in them or not. "

    See another bogus accusation.

    - – - –

    "But that is often merely your opinion, not everyone's accepted opinion. or any law, or rule, generally accepted. "

    We can test this as well . . . I am fully prepared to . . . with EXAMPLES.

    This is the difference. . . YOU WILL NOT DO SO. . . .

    As you know you will be exposed.

    - – - –

    "And quite often you use the strawman argument, a misrepresenting of the others position."

    Again . . .where are EXAMPLES as EVIDENCE to back this up . . .

    ANOTHER false accusation?

    - – - –

    "Your answers also show misunderstanding of the position of the other person."

    Why spean time in saying this . . .

    Where are the examples . . .

    where?

    Where?

    Why did you go off on this little category thing.?

    I am perfectly happy to address all of the above . . .

    One
    by
    One.

    - – - –

    "And I do not have to back this up with proof. For alleging it's untruth of invalidness needs just as much or as less justification in an everyday conversation. "

    No it doesn't – BURDEN of PROOF in on you . . . that is the established law . . .

    remember your earlier . . . statement:

    " But that is often merely your opinion, not everyone's accepted opinion. or any law, or rule, generally accepted. "

    So why did you put in this fallacious get out clause. . .

    You have made some SERIOUS accusations against me. . .

    then you have said that you will not given any evidence. . . .

    Then I am saying . . . THEY ARE ALL FALSE – AS YOU HAVE NOT ONLY NOT GIVEN EVIDENCE

    BUT YOU HAVE SAID – YOU DON' HAVE TO.

    Well you do.

    - – -

    "but get on talking mostly about contents, on topic."

    What topic was it? it certainly wasn't categories.

    For the above comment . . . that is the topic.

    Either respond . . . or don't.

    But if you leave a response THAT doesn't answer the above or is regarding them

    and is long waffling . . . I will call you out on it.

  54. Bad answer, Aminriadh or rather NO answer at all. As you say yourself : You have no adequate answers to my questions ! That is why you come with this drivel .
    I know you can't answer them !! With answers I mean of course explanations , no rubbish.
    I don't imagine I am the first one to ask Of course many people did ask the same questions.
    But there never came a clear and logical sound (!) answer (with explanations).
    And you thinking is not sound too: You can not know what I think about other people . But I can let you know what I think of you: You are an arrogant, haughty, muslim, who cannot explain his cult Islam. ( This is again no insult, but stating a fact).
    NOW, what do you think of MY surah 9:29 . I think readers who hear this for the first time are very interested in your answer ! Huh, huh ! (sorry). NO DIVERSIONS !

  55. " And I simply ignore those parts of your answers that I think are off-topic, or too difficult to answer in the available space, time and personal capacity. "

    And then you go on to some BS theory but your little categories? And they are NOT off topic. . .

    I asked you about your hypocrisy . . . repeatedly . . . no answer.

    I assume – you have dug yourself a hole there.

    Then this support of Julia . . . that as someone knowledge – who has shut me up.

    Where?

    Why has that all dried up now?

    What great knowledge of Islam?

    She had one fallacious argument regarding some verses that are in letter forms. And kept repeating it. Her questions about the black stone were just that . . . questions.

    And?

    Rest was the normal case of – meaningless rhetoric – and trotting out tired old and unoriginal responses such as Tqyiyah!, or Abrogation . . .

    - – - –

    "I think dismissing answers, which is what you do, is just as bad or good as avoiding answers."

    No it isn't . . . that is the done thing . . . exposing fallacious arguemnts . . .

    and those response that have absolutely NOTHING to with the argument – and they are there to take the debate off on a tangent.

    This BS – category theory. I ain't playing that game.

    - – -

    I have come across 2 . . . both have been right down personal.

    Hence they fail to differentiate between the two.

    - – -

    You came up with this BS about – category . . . it has nothing to do with me.

    You may expound it to yourself . . . as you are "free" to do so.

    I am not playing that game.

  56. Why did you resort to this BS – when you are avoiding answering questions?

    I don't want – your category this and that . . . I want you to ANSWER – what I have asked.

    No one asked about – this fallacious categories and whatnot.

    - – -

    "You are in such a haste to discredit me, why? "

    Where and how?

    - – -

    "You have such a desire to (mis)represent my position as bad, hypocritical, why? "

    When you claim to dislike swearing – then unashamedly support a troll – then what is that if NOT hypocrisy?

    Answer . . . rather than having the above spasms.

    - – -

    "Are you trying to make a caricature of me? Those "crutches" you use, for belittling, misrepresenting opponents are crutches IMO, do you really need them? "

    What you are doing here is the same – as to what you accuse me of.

    And what about your own little crutches and attempts to belittle . . . you know fully well that this accusation is unto you . . . just because you accuse me of the same thing . . . does not excuse you. Answer?

    You have justified swearing and abused. . . why?

    You are in hole . . . and you know it. Either stop digging – and I'll help you out. . . else . . .

  57. "You are a liar ,indeed. "

    You repeatedly use this false accusation . . . and it is also an insult – when asked – you have no specific 'lie' to demonstrate . . but start speaking in general terms. This is the same way – when questioned about your abuse . . . you resorted to a similar excuse.

    - – -

    "You are "forgetting" ( ?) the evil principle of ABROGATION (al Nasikh wal Mansukh) , invented by your evil fake god Allah himself, in the Quran. You know that very well, of course , being a "scholar" . Huh,huh."

    You have started "huh,huh" again . . . what is that?

    resorting to mentioning "ABROGATION (al Nasikh wal Mansukh)" is an expected response . . . I don't think you really know what it means.

    Again . . . your response shows – that you have read anti-Islam sites – and you have brainwashed yourself with the material. You do not have sufficient understanding of it.

    Hence you simply trotted this out. This is the same type of response people like you resort – when starting the mantra of "Taqiyah".

    The there are the filler adjectives . . . without them you can never present an argument. You have to rely on them for credence.

    "evil fake" – "liar " –

    - – -

    "ABROGATION IN THE
    KORAN by ANWARUL HAQQ ) : http://www.muhammadanism.org/Quran/abrogation_kor

    Again this is telling evidence . . . the source you have given out is Christian . . . and it is written in response to Muslims.

    - – - –

    This is like going to a philosophy debate . . . and throwing your wait about with names of some principles – and then naming biased material as source.

    What you haven't done is explained . . . what different Abrogation plays here . . . and why is it relevant.

    Simply . . . trotted out:

    "You are "forgetting" ( ?) the evil principle of ABROGATION (al Nasikh wal Mansukh) , invented by your evil fake god Allah himself, in the Quran. You know that very well, of course , being a "scholar" . Huh,huh. You are a liar ,indeed. "

  58. "But you give me the chance (again) to show the readers how hateful and warmongering your evil cult Islam is. Thank you for that , huh,huh really. "

    Again mere rhetoric . . . to fill up – when the argument has long run out – and you have no response to offer up.

    - – - –

    "Every body can check the surahs in his own Quran or on internet . (damned internet, hey Amin ? ) "

    The last bit betrays you again . . .

    - – -

    "There you can find some nasty examples. http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html"

    I think anyone with half a brain can work out . . . there are two sides to an argument – hence such links that have picked out are useful . . . but not the full story.

    Wouldn't the right thing to do be to objective study?

    - – - –

    Another thing is . . . why paste something like this? What good is it? Do you honestly believe that – there is someone here – who hasn't come across such material? Or would be unable to find it?

    i mean the above comment is not part of an argument – or evidence in support of an argument. . . but shows that you have read propaganda material . . . and you have successfully brainwashed yourself.

    - – -

    This is where Sina fell apart – I sussed him out . . . I questioned him over the methodology of his book – which wasn't an objective study . . . but fallacious. hence no one has bothered to print it. And he has resorted to printing a few copies on demand. And to hand it out free.

  59. "I make no false accusations to you , Amin. "

    Then where is the lie . . . if you are NOT making false accusations then which lie? It should be easy for you express it clearly.

    - – -

    "But the problem is that you are SOOOO accustomed to lie, that you think you speak the truth. Your whole cult Islam is one big lie. And it is proven to you over and over again on this site and elsewhere. But we can not get through to you, because (again!) you are brainwashed ! You can't help yourself….You just MUST lie. "

    This is meaningless rhetoric – and nothing else. I can simply change it, add few more bits . . . and whatnot – then spread it out large. But I don't – because it false and unconvincing . . . BECAUSE . . . .

    [Read this carefully - it might help you in the long run]

    The evaluation is one of merit – which come from the strength of the argument. And s strong argument is one of Evidence.

    What you tend to do is resort to rhetoric . . . and it is yourself that your trying to convince the most that it is adequate.

    In above I asked for you to provide EVIDENCE for my lying.

    And you have none – hence it is false accusation.

    - – - –

    "Your whole cult Islam is one big lie. And it is proven to you over and over again on this site and elsewhere."

    No it isn't – I am intelligent and well educated. . . . I can read, evaluate and analyse arguments very well. I have adequate writing skills and ability to express myself too.

    As I have said above . . . . the question is one of merit, arguments and evidence. I have took this site apart. . . . and exposed its many lies.

    Its author is Sina – I have exposed many of his falsifications . . . and hardly anyone has stepped forward on the actual subject matters . . . he himself withdrew.

    He was going to offer a challenge – and went very strangely quiet.

    - – -

    Accusation of "brainwashing" – well those go back to you . . . and I have EVIDENCE of this. One can recognize – that you read anti-Islam websites. And that is brainwashing.

    I tend to read as much as possible – both sides of the argument . . . hence I read site such as these.

    You read one sided material . . . and that is far more the definition of what brain-washing is about.

    - – - –

    "All readers (except some brainwashed muslims ,of course) see this. "

    When you come with these sentences . . . they really really really let you down.

    - – -

    "In this way you are helping me (us!) to show the evilness of Islam."

    Really? I mean have endured – abuse and swearing from you . . . and I would say that is far greater and act of immoral evilness.

    I have still managed to have some sort of debate/conversation/ . . . etc.

    When the arguments run out . . . never resort to such rhetoric – as you would appear to be falling far deeper into a hole that you have dug. When you are in a hole – stop digging.

  60. Do you know . . . this is what happens if you go around a websites and lift the material. You don't have an adequate response . . . hence you attempt such things . . . Why do you imagine – that you are the 1st person to come up with such shenanigans? Do you know how old, unoriginal and repetitive – your response is?

    And I think . . . in your mind you seem to believe that people are that unintelligent and stupid!

    – - –

    Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

  61. I would miss you, but you do not have to answer me, you can avoid any challenge or question in my posts and cherrypick what you do react to. And you can "rant/ spiel/" insult/ even swear if you wanted. I let you free and I take that freedom for myself except for insulting and swearing. We know we differ in opinion on many, many issues, but I think dismissing answers, which is what you do, is just as bad or good as avoiding answers. And I never dismiss any of your answers, as I respect them as opinions different from my own. And I simply ignore those parts of your answers that I think are off-topic, or too difficult to answer in the available space, time and personal capacity.

    Now
    "The only name for this lot is –
    Muslim/Islam hate group."

    I skip Muslim in here, because this group is forever explaining it is Islam they are after, not Muslims.

    "Islam Hate Group" then. Those whom I like to call Counterjihadists, Democratic Citizens, Islamo-realists.

    Now I think it is a good principle that we both should try to prefer, like more, be more loyal to, "good" people from the other side, than "bad" people from the own side.

    So do you prefer "good people"' among the "Islam-hate-group" and their followers over and above "bad people''' among Muslims?

    Or do you categorically prefer ALL Muslims over ALL followers of Islam-hate-groups?

    Or don;t you know? Or do you refuse to answer this question, not even by shaping it to your liking more?

    We can try to come to agreement about what "good" and "bad" means to us both in this context.

    I do prefer, like more, am prepared to support more:
    B. "Good" Muslims. over and above:
    C. "Bad" followers of Islam-Hate-Groups.

  62. To show to Aminriadh and his muslimbrothers and sisters how evil Islam is, I will do the following.
    I make my own surah 9:29 for the muslim to read and to think about :
    Here it comes:
    "Oh kafirs, fight ( make Qital !) the muslims all over the world, as long as they believe in Allah, Mohammed , the Quran and the Sunna (whether they are Sunni, Shia or any other sect) until they pay a poll tax with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
    Is that peacefull, muslims? Or is it hate and warmongering? I add also, that this is my last word , all peaceful things I ssaid earlyer are abrogated (annuled) by now !!
    Well what do you say , readers ?

  63. @ Amin.
    I said: "But we have no problems to understand your cunning behaviour, Amin . It is very simple : You muslims always lie , when your cult is being attacked (with the truth) ! "

    You wrote: "Again which lie? Another false accusation . . . "
    I make no false accusations to you , Amin.
    But the problem is that you are SOOOO accustomed to lie, that you think you speak the truth. Your whole cult Islam is one big lie. And it is proven to you over and over again on this site and elsewhere. But we can not get through to you, because (again!) you are brainwashed ! You can't help yourself….You just MUST lie.
    All readers (except some brainwashed muslims ,of course) see this.
    In this way you are helping me (us!) to show the evilness of Islam. Tank you for that ..Again.

  64. I was not wrong ,Amin. Certainly , not !
    But you give me the chance (again) to show the readers how hateful and warmongering your evil cult Islam is. Thank you for that , huh,huh really.
    "The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule" as this site says : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-viole
    Every body can check the surahs in his own Quran or on internet . (damned internet, hey Amin ? )
    There you can find some nasty examples. http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

  65. "However – here is you hypocrisy . . .why is it that it is ONLY Muslims. Yet many non-Muslims are of this category too. "

    Agree, but I did say that there are other categories of people too. Meaning including category E; People as bad as or worse than Taliban, Ayatollahs, Islamic terrorists. Alternatively I can honestly say that between category C and D there often is not much difference, except that C are allies and D are enemies.

    You are in such a haste to discredit me, why? You have such a desire to (mis)represent my position as bad, hypocritical, why? Are you trying to make a caricature of me? Those "crutches" you use, for belittling, misrepresenting opponents are crutches IMO, do you really need them?

  66. "''''This isn't hate-mongering – but call to do good."

    I am glad that you now discuss Islamic texts with Julia, Aminriadh. But I put it to you to the above is only YOUR interpretation/ version of Islam, shared with many, no doubt, but not with all Muslims.

    Ibn Warraq and Douglas Murray pointed out Islam-I; the Quran-Hadiths-Sira, Islam-II, what the most important Islamic schools-of-thought explained and ordained about them

    and Islam-III, which is the interpretation of I and II by all the Muslims in the world. And that varies a lot.

    We counter-jihadists read Robert Spencer and he reports constantly what Muslims do in reaction and relation to their interpretation of the Quran-Hadiths-Sira. And almost daily Robert jokes about yet again yet other "Misunderstanders of Islam" somewhere, with reports.

    He refers of course cynically to Islam-apologists that have declared what Islam means and means not, aims for and aims not for, and what all sorts of Islamic texts really mean. And then he notes the discrepancy between what the Islam-apologists say and what Muslims say and do and jokes about that. And this is on quite a few quite important issues, like the deathpenalty for apostasy, the treatment of women and non-Muslims in Muslim society, community, family and many other issues, as pointed out by Nonie Darwish, as well.

    We should never paint all Muslims with the same brush. But frankly neither can we accept this assertion by so many Muslims that they tell the exact meaning of the Islamic holy texts as somehow final, binding. I much prefer to speak of quite divers interpretations on many controversial issues of the Holy texts of Islam.

    So then I consider your opinion only your version, interpretation, not the definitive explanation of parts of holy texts.

    It remains unclear to me if this really was what Mohammed, or the other founders of Islam, really meant.

    And many, many times it has been pointed out by counter-jihadists, like Robert Spencer does all the time jokingly, that Islam-apologists should not bother with the opinion of counter-jihadists, who can be quite knowledgeable about Islam, and who very often merely echo the opinions of real Muslims somewhere in the world or in history. No, instead Islam-apologists are urged to better educate their "erring" fellow-Muslims, when these interpret and practice Islam-texts in a different way from them.

    Because on many sensitive issues counter-jihadists and others would be much satisfied already if, say, a decisive percentage of the world's Muslims, really was interpreting the Islam-texts as some Islam-apologists do on these issues. But the problem is that among them there is so much diversion.

  67. I read your link, and here I can sympathize with you and even agree.

    But it was about Twitter, something I confess I am still rather unused to.

    I spoke about the internet, about website, which can be easily avoided.

    I understand that you want me to jusfify praising and supporting Julia. So that you know that I understand that. I think it is not unjustified to say the support and the praise without reasons, but I love to give them to you all the way, and I have begun to do so elsewhere on this thread.

  68. I insist; you just have no way of knowing whether or not I would take everything Julia said if it was spoken TO ME. And only had you shown proof that I would not,

    only then would your conclusion "YOU DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING JULIA SAID WHEN IT IS SAID AGAINST YOU

    be justified! Now it is unjustified, without proof, yet very definitive. Merely your estimation, or even accusation.

    Supporting Julia is irrelevant and illogical as justification for that conclusion. I might consider Julia's words, all of them, though harsh, still tolerable/ acceptable to me if they were directed at me and I CERTAINLY would not object to even the worst she has said to you had it been directed at me.

    It is only your opinion that she was out of line, a troll, extravagant, unduly wild on this website, which she supports wholeheartedly. It is NOT a general accepted view. YOUR "LINE" is only YOUR line, or one of many "lines". On this website your feelings are not protected. When you say you do not use the same liberty as she does, that is only your decision, it need not constrain her.

    And I have pointed some of my reasons why I think people like Julia, and Ali Sina, are important and much needed in our struggle. Which is insulting, but always non-violent.

  69. On the topic of Julia's behavior on this anti-Islam-site, swearing, insulting, hurting people's feelings, hatespeech, hatemongering, lying, false accusations:

    You asked what could possibly be beneficial in that.

    First I clearly explained my boundaries for the abovementioned. And I also said that I target the religion, the views, the opinions, behavior, and only the offensive part of that but NOT the person.

    I think the following;
    Many people compare the abovementioned verbal abuse with something better they know, namely – simply ignoring the troubling issue, or
    - talk about it only in a polite, respectful, civilized way.

    But I compare a so-called verbal war with violent wars, acts.

    And it is my opinion that sometimes to put pressure on people to verbal abuse is the alternative for violent war, rebellion, protest. Oh, not in every instance, but taken as a whole.

    I genuinely believe that this freedom of speech-rule we have, makes many of us avoid violence. And that it already has helped to reduce violence much.

    I think that in the past and in many present dictatorships people bowed under oppression until they could take it no more and rebelled, violently.

    Because just ignoring or condoning oppression, evil deeds, stupid deeds would not help and the middle way, of prosecuting, or indicting, or yes, insulting, and replacing the oppressors, the evildoers, was not possible, due to powerful oppressors using censorship, murder and torture.

    And that had it been possible prior to many violent revolts, these revolts would not have been necessary.

    Yes, people like Julia have a good cause, and they can't follow this only with polite, respectful, non-hurting, nice, approved-by-everybody- words. They cannot succeed thus in our opinion.

    The Muslims by and large would largely ignore that. And plead busy lives or headaches, they would be laughing the protests away. And the people supporting the Muslims exactly so. And I say this because I consider this a general human way of reacting to polite-only, respectful requests to change.

    I also see another advantage. When protesters against doctrine or practice of Muslims are much varied in severance, then the Muslims will appreciate the points that the less severe protesters make more. By contrast, if the severe protesters would not be there, the Muslims would be much more intolerable to quite nice, civilized protests because that to them was the worst manner of protest. And indeed, say 10 years ago, Muslims were IMO much sooner insulted than they are now.

    And I think that counter-jihadists like Julia are a godsend, because they put pressure on Muslims and bystanders trying to understand the issues. And this pressure could well result in the eventual changing of their opinions and/ or behavior.

    Because in my experience, if I heard an insulting accusation against myself or my loved ones, yes, I was mad at first, but later on I also would not tolerate anymore the same from myself or those aligned to me. Both for being consistent and not hypocritical and for avoiding repetition of the insults due to MY words or behavior.

  70. Thanks for your reply, Aminriadh.
    But although I like your answers to me as challenges, I do NOT NEED or beg for them. And I can answer to other commenters points and talk about you and about the topic of Islam etc.

    I am sorry I cannot address all your points, or address them deeply enough to your satisfaction. There were some quite good ones. And I learned from you. Like the point that intelligent debaters did not need swearing. Well, perhaps they also do not your kind of incessant insulting, belittling, derogatory, defaming judgements about other posters either. Crutches that you use that they are.

    But I am under no obligation to answer anything you ask. I am under no obligation to answer in some way you finally will give your approval to. I mean approval in contents or in finally confirming that i have answered a question of yours to your standards. Neither am I under any obligation to provide proofs for what I bring as facts and opinions. I completely disagree that this is necessary for remarks to be made. The remarks may be true or untrue, but evidence of untruth is just as important as that of truth and both are unnecessary for debates and conversations like those here.

    We both, perforce, have to avoid many challenges and questions, you do it also all the time. And very often your answers are about the challenges being "meaningless'', "spiel", "bullshit". These are not really answers, this is simple dismissing answers, as bad as avoiding them.

    Worse, you treat people in a very derogatory and denigrating way in the process. And You do this infinitely to me and others than I to you or others.

    I answer all the time, but my answers get dismissed. By you pretending to know what is decent behavior or not, decent argument or not. But that is often merely your opinion, not everyone's accepted opinion. or any law, or rule, generally accepted.

    Like your opinion that I my proposotions are extravagant! I beg to differ, they often only are relevant reactions or extensions of what you say, only thought about and thought further. I intend and take pains to stay always on topic. No, I say that you are a very intolerant and overbearing, arrogant person.

    Your answers also show misunderstanding of the position of the other person. And quite often you use the strawman argument, a misrepresenting of the others position. And I do not have to back this up with proof. For alleging it's untruth of invalidness needs just as much or as less justification in an everyday conversation.

    This is my position for us debating.

    And let us forgive each other then our lack of answers, or answers to each others satisfaction, or perceived extravaganza etc and no longer complain about them but get on talking mostly about contents, on topic.

  71. "Refusing to pay is not the same as agression , Amin. What an evil, little deceiving man you are! "

    When you have NOTHING left . . . you are back to the same old . . . troll – back to abusing. As I predicted . . . when you run out of argument – you resort to this. Why?

    - – - –

    "I see you admit now that Qital means: Make war, kill. (it follows from your answer here).
    Why all your "crap "earlyer about Qital ? Diversion. Taqiyya and Kitman , yep , Amin. Funny. "

    Why do you have to make hasty judgements and then fall flat? For example quickly saying I lied about something – then not knowing what I actually lied about . . .

    Qital does NOT mean "Make War, Kill" – it means to fight, struggle, combat.

    However – it is wrong form of the word. Which it should have been Muqattala. In reference to the verse 9:29

    Also – if your source of the word was someone else – why did it take you so long to declare it?

    I stand by what I pointed out above.

    - – -

    "But we have no problems to understand your cunning behaviour, Amin . It is very simple : You muslims always lie , when your cult is being attacked (with the truth) ! "

    Again which lie? Another false accusation . . .

    - – -

    "So if these people refuse to pay this tax , they will be killed ! "

    Wrong – as Quran also says . . .

    "Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them."

    Quran [4:90]

  72. @ Amin.
    I see you admit now that Qital means: Make war, kill. (it follows from your answer here).
    Why all your "crap "earlyer about Qital ? Diversion. Taqiyya and Kitman , yep , Amin. Funny.
    Now, Read your own evil surah 9:29 again :
    "…-[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. "
    Do you see it ,Amin? Fight UNTIL they give the jizyah while they are humled.
    So if these people refuse to pay this tax , they will be killed !
    Refusing to pay is not the same as agression , Amin. What an evil, little deceiving man you are!
    But we have no problems to understand your cunning behaviour, Amin . It is very simple : You muslims always lie , when your cult is being attacked (with the truth) !

  73. Of course they can be . . . but only in a Linguistic sense.

    Mathematical set theory – (or Logical) relations (common characteristics) are considered.

    - – -

    It is rather obvious that you don't know what you are talking about – as it appeared last night . . . then why are you carrying on with this bizarreness?

  74. "Julia is still in my category A and you in my category B. "

    - – -

    Even though . . . when Sina assumed – her words were of a Muslim – he threatened to ban her.

    Yet . . . this doesn't matter to you at all.

    All the swearing and etc.

    - – -

    Well – at least I know where you stand – and what you are.

  75. "On which terrain they would be appalled by you at times, I think, were they to read all your comments here. "

    Do you know – you make these BASELESS accusations many times . . . I have called you out on them as well.

    Then what happens – you avoid to back them up.

    If you don't – then this is a FALSE accusation.

    You have said WORSE – a few days back. But then went into AVOIDANCE.

    - – -

    "I know many Westerners also think like you about swearing. "

    Then you lied – when you said you didn't support Swearing and personal abuse. . .

    As the above implies – these many Westerners are distant from you – and do not include you.

    Hence why you don't talk about your hypocritical stance . . . and avoid talking about it.

    - – - –

    "I like to name the enemies, engaged in this verbal war. Muslims versus Democratic Citizens. "

    And this is BS – What does "Democratic Citizen" even mean?

    - – -

    "I prefer as highest category A. Democratic Citizens, that speak and behave well, and stay within certain moral boundaries. "

    You are NOT one of them – as you condone swearing . . .

    – - –

    "I hate the most: D. Muslims, who are terrorists, who are oppressive, who intend to let Islam rule the world. Like the Taliban, the Ayatollahs, part of the Saudi religious establishment and such. "

    However – here is you hypocrisy . . .why is it that it is ONLY Muslims. Yet many non-Muslims are of this category too.

    - – - –

    "Now I assume that you Aminriadh also have this order of liking, preferring, being loyal to people as I showed here, but of course out from your own side:

    A. You like good Muslims the most.
    B. But then you like good Democratic Citizens more than.
    C. Bad Muslims.
    D. And you still more hate Bad Democratic Citizens. "

    This whole – tripe is meaningless and YOU built it. I don't agree with any of it at all.

    And don't project such "categories" to me.

    - – -

    "Julia is still in my category A and you in my category B. "

    And that is someone who doesn't behave well . . .

    Oh the HYPOCRISY of it. . .

    - – - –

    "And if you like to call Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and all those in favor of them, including many ex-Muslims a different name from Democratic Citizens, please suggest your preferred name, but I think it is very important to GIVE A NAME to this category of humans. "

    This is how you avoid answering . . . by absolute BS as this . . .

    in order to avoid for your SHEER hypocrisy . . . you go into this avoidance . . . by posting up such spiels.

    = = = =

    To you . . . a troll like Julia – is a category A person . . .

    whom you fully endorse and encourage . . .

    Yet – her swearing, lying or other bad behaviour – doesn't matter to you at all.

    = = =

    what I asked you above . . . you did NOT bother to answer . . .

    Tell me – why should I asnwer to you . . . IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ANSWER TO ME . . . and merely dream up more spiel – such as above?

    - – - –

    "Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, "

    The only name for this lot is –

    Muslim/Islam hate group.

    And no other. . . . as that is the only common thing about them.

  76. hey dude why quran cannot be considered a set of verses in the quran?

  77. "It is among my core values to express what I am FOR and what is my basic motivation. As opposed to just disagree with opponents, or just hate opponents and have a "wish they were all gone and all would be well"-attitude. "

    No it isn't – It is IN YOUR core values to support trolls – as you did to Julia. Whose behaviour is aptly summed by the adequate net term – 'troll'

    You did not merely support her right to be a troll – which wasn't eve under question . . . you ACTIVELY encourage her.

    - – - –

    "Many people I know who hate swearing (which you accuse Julia of) also hate this kind of persistent insults, belittling judgements you make. "

    See even here . . . you add "(which you accuse Julia of) "

    And if you are advocating this . . .

    "persistent insults, belittling judgements you make. "

    Then same to you . . . what about you belittling and er . . . judgement?

    Pot calling the kettle black?

    And this "Many people I know. . ."

    BS – what you mean is YOU – have the courage to say it. . . . why do you think I care about these anonymous people. I am talking to you.

    - – - –

    "Or can you clearly and extensively define the difference between decent arguments and rants? So that I finally am able to understand why you make decent arguments and I produce rants? "

    Yes – ranting is when you say a lot – without addressing the question

    Dictionary.com:

    to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way;

    Now – I don't mean the violent bits – but the extravagant – yes.

  78. "Support or tolerate are so different in my opinion. "

    This was MY point – don't attempt to take it over – as something you have just come up with.

    - – - –

    "But for beneficial reasons. NOT because of hatemongering as such. "

    There is NO benefit – in such swearing at all. This behaviour is condemnable – universally.

    Find me a single decent – morality – that supports this behavior?

    Maybe your values – aren't decent – as your actions imply.

    - – - –

    " And so far you have not shown much understanding, let alone respect, of my position. "

    You have supported – swearing and personal abuse towards me . . .

    . . . . and you are expecting what?

    You have no position to speak of – you are a hypocrite . . . I have asked you several times . . . you avoid it.

    - – - –

    "Julia is on the internet, on a distinctly anti-Islam-website, and that makes a lot of difference. "

    No it doesn't – why should it? Decency is decency . . . EVERYWHERE.

    Look at how you avoid difficult questions – and witter on about all sorts of unrelated nonsense that you cook up in your mind.

    - – - –

    I have asked you about your hypocritical position – and I am tired of asking . . . NO REPLY.

    Tolerance and support of something are different.

    You have ACTIVELY supported Julia – and her bad behaviour.

    Have you bothered to address the point? No you haven't.

    You have simply avoided . . . it "my position"

    Sonny . . . . listen up. There is difference between accepting "freedom of speech" and prasing

    - – -

    For example – being racist [to an extent] is allowed – under freedom of speech.

    But that doesn't mean people actively support it . . .

    there is difference between agreeing that someone has right to say what they want . . .

    . . . and actually agreeing with the content of what they say.

    - – - –

    You have actively encouraged Juila's trollishness.

    And not just her right to be a troll.

    Her right to be a troll was NEVER in question . . . .

    - – - –

    And you keep running away – rather than addressing that . . .

    And that speaks volumes. . . now don't mess about – either answer that – or I will keep asking.

  79. I think you are becoming more and more jumbled.

    And look at the amount of questions you have started to avoid.

    - – -

    I am implying that you WOULD not accept/tolerate everything I said . . . as you say.

    The evidence is against you . . . for supporting Julia.

    The two are very different thing . . . actually supporting Julia – you have crossed the line.

    And you have AVOIDED – to answer that.

    Another avoidance to the count.

  80. "Actually – IT IS JUSTIFIED. As you have justified . . .unacceptable behaviour from Julia. "

    no, this is illogical from you. I said that I would accept every last word from Julia I would accept/ tolerate from you. Now even if you disagree with me, it is still not justified to state "No, you don't.!

    Your justification-argument is about your judgement of Julia's behaviour, not mine. This does not justify your definitive conclusion:

    No, you, Demsci, do not accept/ tolerate the same strong words from me (Aminriadh) as you do accept/ tolerate them from Julia.

  81. "Then is it your VALUE to support – swearing? "

    Support or tolerate are so different in my opinion. But yes, sometimes I applaud seemingly very uncivil, impolite words and actions that indeed do hurt people's feelings. But not their bodies. I wish to protect bodies, but not feelings. But for beneficial reasons. NOT because of hatemongering as such.

    But yes, your amazement is shared by many around me, when I express my views about freedom of speech.

    But if you comment on my position, please listen carefully to what I say about boundaries of free speech. And so far you have not shown much understanding, let alone respect, of my position. It seems you are conflating all sorts of generally repulsive behavior in all sorts of places onto just one category to abhor, discourage or censor. But I make subtle distinctions. As does a big part of my fellow Westerners, friends, family, discussion-partners.

    Boundaries are: Inciting to violence, racist remarks, perhaps denying the holocaust and such truly abominable stuff.

    But also boundaries are about WHERE opinions are expressed; on the Internet, on TV, in newspapers, much is allowed, because people can avoid their contents.

    On the workfloor, at home, on the streets people harassing people about their political or religious preferences should not be allowed.

    Julia is on the internet, on a distinctly anti-Islam-website, and that makes a lot of difference.

  82. "And don't go off in a self-praising rant – that you are this and that."

    It is among my core values to express what I am FOR and what is my basic motivation. As opposed to just disagree with opponents, or just hate opponents and have a "wish they were all gone and all would be well"-attitude.

    And it is you who interpret this as self-praising. And, by the way, as a RANT. Bot derogatory and denigrating comments.

    Many people I know who hate swearing (which you accuse Julia of) also hate this kind of persistent insults, belittling judgements you make.

    Or can you clearly and extensively define the difference between decent arguments and rants? So that I finally am able to understand why you make decent arguments and I produce rants?

  83. I agree with the gist of this answer. Showing noble sides to enemies, yeah. Good post.

    But as you know I make a strong distinction between violent and verbal but peaceful warfare. So in that aspect I disagree.

    I know many Westerners also think like you about swearing. But I might add that they are often then also against mere insulting, referring about intelligence, mental health and moral motivation or lack thereof. On which terrain they would be appalled by you at times, I think, were they to read all your comments here. But OK, no doubt you would be able to defend your position then very well to them too.

    I like to name the enemies, engaged in this verbal war. Muslims versus Democratic Citizens.

    I am much in favor of you looking critically at one's own side too. And I stress that both sides should do it. I do express to you:

    I prefer as highest category A. Democratic Citizens, that speak and behave well, and stay within certain moral boundaries.

    I hate the most: D. Muslims, who are terrorists, who are oppressive, who intend to let Islam rule the world. Like the Taliban, the Ayatollahs, part of the Saudi religious establishment and such.

    But I definitely like (B) good Muslims more than (C) bad Democratic Citizens. To me this is also obvious.

    Now I assume that you Aminriadh also have this order of liking, preferring, being loyal to people as I showed here, but of course out from your own side:

    A. You like good Muslims the most.
    B. But then you like good Democratic Citizens more than.
    C. Bad Muslims.
    D. And you still more hate Bad Democratic Citizens.

    This I see as a principle. Later on we can fill in what we consider as good and bad in this context.

    it goes without saying that there are many more categories of people. But the important principle here is; do you (not Aminriadh, but generally speaking) like your noble opponents more than your ignoble allies? And how do you respond to that?

    Or do you have a simple position; Being FOR all those on your side (Muslims, Democratic Citizens) and AGAINST all those on the other side? Regardless.

    It is my dream that on both sides people prefer noble enemies over ignoble allies and that some kind of people in the middle ally themselves against those on the extreme. But not by just ignoring what both sides have as objections as the other side. But by patiently working out their problems with each other.

    Julia is still in my category A and you in my category B.

    And if you like to call Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and all those in favor of them, including many ex-Muslims a different name from Democratic Citizens, please suggest your preferred name, but I think it is very important to GIVE A NAME to this category of humans.

  84. I do not consider you as rational on given evidence. . . if you are rational – why do you resort to that type of language?

    - – -

    Scholars are known for being rational – or at least sticking to rational methodologies . . .

    so which scholar – speaks like you?

  85. meaningless for you .
    but for the person who has rational thinking . this is very reasonable question

  86. My dear – I don't think you understand logical fallacies . . .

    As appeal to sympathy is:
    http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/argume

    - – -

    You come to a antiislamic website and tries to islam is god's **** ,and you are not able to give a single logical reasoning ,Now you tell we are picking on you.

    Mindless swearing is picking on someone – if you are that intelligent – there is no need for it.

    Also – Sina claims this site is anti-Islam – But not anti Muslim.

    So what you are saying is – anti-Islam equals anti-Muslim – and Muslims are sworn at here . . . fine by me – I'll just leave then.

    - – -

    "and you are not able to give a single logical reasoning "

    You mean – cheat like you? When you copied someone's words and claimed ownership?

  87. Where? Islam has set down laws of engagement.

  88. hmmm off on another rant . . . full of meaningless gibber jabber.

    - – -

  89. "You said you don't swear but you call me ,a young woman, troll. Time and again. "

    A troll is a definition for people who behave – the way you do. And it is NOT an insult or a swear. Neither it is intended as such.

    Again – this isn't a lie.

    - – -

    "Allthough I really don't care at all , that makes it no less a LIE , AMIN. "

    Which it isn't in the first place.

  90. Yet – how is this a lie of mine?

    It was YOUR false claim. . . . that I have told lies. Where?

    Just because someone has word Qital – neither does it make it true – or make this a lie from me.

    A lie is knowingly claiming something to be true or not – when you know it isn't.

    - – - –

    Mere pretense of lie – doesn't make it so.

  91. "The little "problem" about qital , qatala, qataloo is solved now , I hope. So we don't need any diversion anymore. "

    What you mean is . . . that you hastily made some unjustified accusation . . . and now let's forget about them and move on . . . so let's do it.

    - – - –

    "" Is demanding someone to fight (qital= make war, kill), to subdue and humiliate other people hatemongering or not !?? ""

    Against aggression – war is justified to stop it. And that isn't hate-mongering.

    - – -

    "This link gives you 28 Generally Accepted translations of the quran.In which All allah commands you to fight ! Again: I call this hatemongering… and you ?"

    No:

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

    This isn't hate-mongering – but call to do good.

  92. "No answer ( of course) of you Aminriadh. Although he said many times he would answer, if I drop the caps ( Using caps bothers him very,very much…yep)"

    This is a lie – as I have answered many of your posts.

    - – -

    "3) What about the swearing of your Allah in his Quran ? No reaction of you Amin "

    I have answered this as well – where you specified these alleged swearing . . and it turned out be all a drama.

  93. "Hardly – those are simply few letter – in beginning of some verses. . . and they are not meant to be understood. That is clear."
    why would almighty pimp of perpetual virgins in eternal brothel put something that is of no use in his "perfect book".
    Can you see the irony of foolishness among muslims.
    Muslims are so foolish that they can't even understand they are foolish.
    If confronted with truth all they would say is allah has made you dumb ,deaf,blind.
    You will be fuel for hell fire.
    But if you accept what quran blindly like a sheep then you will get unlimited puss in heaven.nuff said [youtube ry9iSCAdDIE&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry9iSCAdDIE&feature=player_embedded youtube]

  94. Yet it is YOU who resorts to swearing at such extent? Why? If you are that enlightened do you need to resort to swearing?

  95. " I bring forth to you are arguments from values and principle used in differing contexts all around all the time"

    Then is it your VALUE to support – swearing?

    In the way you did?

    - – - –

    And don't go off in a self-praising rant – that you are this and that.

  96. "To date there is no proof of the contrary either, never did I protest against swearing, or insults to me or my allies, and the people I like. In the way of them being deemed out of line. In the way of asking or suggesting that the writer should be warned or banned. So…. that definitive conclusion "No, you don't" is unjustified. "

    Actually – IT IS JUSTIFIED. As you have justified . . .unacceptable behaviour from Julia.

    it is ONE thing to say you stand for Free Speech.

    Another to actually be in cahoots with a person.

    - – -

    For example – read this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article

    Tom Daley is a British Olympian – who received severe twitter abuse. . . from a troll.

    And the troll was arrested. Many people protested the arrest. . . . saying it is against Free Speech

    Yet those people who protested – WERE NOT CONDONING the disgusting abuse lashed out by the troll.

    They were protesting that state has no right to arrest someone – as the troll did not commit an offense – and such arrest is against freedom – as it is a step too for.

    [Although I think police arrested him for violent threats]

    - – -

    You on the other hand have gone on to condone and support Julia.

    And you have built up Julia as this big hero – whom I was scared of. Some who has these great "abilities".

    Which you haven't answered for yet. Where are they?

    Hence on this evidence . . . you over-stepped the line.

    - – - –

    " but he can give all visitors as much leeway as HE deems justifiable, tolerable, acceptable, within reasonable boundaries. "

    Now you are diverting away from his open HYPOCRISY . . . when he threatened to ban a Muslim. Why? For posting up Julia's words . . .

    - – -

    "He is the big stakeholder, not you, me, Julia. "

    Actually – I term him a "hatemonger" – hence the above hypocrisy are evidence to that!

  97. "Even in war – there are common rules for all to follow. Not to mistreat prisoners and etc. "

    Not according to islam. In islam muslims can break a treaty take a non muslim woman as slave and rape her. this is what islam and muhammad has taught muslims

  98. "There is difference between criticising Islam – and picking on Individuals – in such vile manner. "
    You come to a antiislamic website and tries to islam is god's shit ,and you are not able to give a single logical reasoning ,Now you tell we are picking on you.
    this logical fallacy is "Appeal to Sympathy"

  99. "It is far from my intention to ignore you and also to avoid answering on any issue, question and challenge you bring forth. "

    Yet you still didn't answer . . . after those fine words.

    - – -

    "But this is a website dedicated to oppose Islam, or parts of it. And WE ARE from opposing teams. and Julia is in MY team. Any pretense otherwise, like I was some independent unbiased observer I reject. And I admit I am not that. And I am convinced you are not that either. "

    Which DOESN'T excuse – bad language – swearing and etc.

    Even in war – there are common rules for all to follow. Not to mistreat prisoners and etc.

    No one is under pretense – about each other position. It something that OBVIOUS – that it isn't mentioned.

    However – just because someone is on your side – doesn't mean – that someone is good for you.

    Isn't the whole purpose attempting to show your noble side to your enemies?

    What you think swearing – and justifying it shows?

    I mean – before you justified Julia – I am sane enough not to equate you and Julia as the same.

    But when you . . . JUSTIFY Julia – and condone her actions . . . .

    As West seems to have got around – Justification of terrorism IS terrorism.

    - – -

  100. Let me say who is prostitute.
    the women in burkha who hides her face so that the clients who slept with her last night doesn't recognize her.
    Prostitutes are the muslim woman who are going to sleep with mullah's because they want to remarry the person who gave her talaq.
    prostitutes are the muslim woman who gets money before nikah"sex"

    "Prostitution of freedom ! "
    nameless mother fukcer just by using these words if you can define what is freedom and what is not . then i have say that ask your 53 year old father to dip his falafel in your 9 year old sister homies

  101. " I mean, it is Ali Sina's call, but the others can discuss this issue of reasonable moderation. "

    Yes – and I have already related the story . . . of someone posting up Julia's words – which Sina thought belonged to this Muslim.

    hence he threatened to ban him.

    When I emailed this to him . . . he made excuses.

    - – -

    Again – you fail to deal with "difficult" questions – about your hypocrisy . . . and answer what you like.

    - – - –

    "It seems to me that you ask forever to give reasons, sources, explanations to our side. And now that I ask you this; You ask in return: Why should I do that? "

    Because what you were asking wasn't clear . . . hence I asked:

    [["And what do mean - "specify" her swears?]]

    Which, of course, you didn't bother to mention there. . . . in an attempt to "stick one in"!

  102. ""the vilest of creation"( surah 8:55)"

    "Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -" 8:55

    Is not a swear. And it refers as it start from:

    [Remember] when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was disease said, "Their religion has deluded those [Muslims]." But whoever relies upon Allah – then indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. [8:49]

    - – -

    ""monkeys and swines "( surah 5:60")"

    Again:

    Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."

    This is one particular reference. And the intent here is factual information . . . so where is this – swearing at you?

    - – - –

    [2:24]

    But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

    Again where is this swearing?

    - – -

    As it is pretty clear – that there is no swearing . . . and all Julia did was seek excuses – for her own personal targeting of people.

    - – -

    "Aminriadh finds these words of Allah miraculous and wonderful….He uses these verses when he prays ! So he acts in the same way ! HE MUST BE CONSISTENT, don't you think? "

    And what "way" is that . . . . on given evidence. I know the way you behave – safely – I don't behave in such a way.

    And neither does – according to him Demsci.

  103. There is difference between criticising Islam – and picking on Individuals – in such vile manner.

    - – -

    Some people cannot make the difference – that two things are separate. I think you can – and so can Juila. Yet her abuse was deliberate.

    Its justification is wrong- and so is attempting to build her up . . . as this some fierce Islam critic. . . on the basis of here swearing.

    I have asked you – what else is there? Where is this evidence of her possessing such abilities – that I am er. . . quaking in my boots.

    I mean do you – go around engaging with someone who will simply abuse you?

    - – -

    If she was THAT intelligent . . . and possessing such a knowledge – then answer me this . . .

    Why would there be need to resort to such behaviour?

    – - –

    "And is it not to your advantage? "

    Of course it is . . and I have even said so.

    - – -

    " Is this not for the owner of this website to decide? "

    yes – and I have pointed out – successfully – his bias. hence it was advantageous for me to see that through!

    - – -

    "When you conclude that you are on a too hostile or farcical website you are free to go. You are not a stakeholder here. "

    True! Yet I can always ignore one troll. Which I did – more or less.

    However – how does that excuse you?

  104. "In that context she admittedly treats you very harshly. Her inciting to any violence to Muslims would not be acceptable, but she never does that. "

    Look at how you DIVERT away from the subject . . . but it ISN'T about inciting violence.

    it is about swearing . . . and insulting. And those lengths that Julia went to.

    For example – When young children get upset – and resort to swearing – then parents teach them out of it. To control emotions – and show good manners.

    People do not swear – it isn't considered decent, moral or good.

    Swearing at someone isn't simply "treating harshly" – but plain wrong.

    Yet you have dug yourself a hole – by attempting to justify it.

    - – -

    "On other websites the same sort of thing happens and were she to write on pro-Islamic websites, she would be treated none too nicely there either. Probably worse than you are treated here. "

    It would be wrong . . . I do not condone it. Again what has this to do with her conduct? Which you have justified. Whilst claiming YOU don't practice such behoviour.

    Why resort to these hypothetical situations? If you are not looking to divert attention?

    - – -

    "And in the outside world it is completely different again. "

    Wrong – as EVERY huddle refers to the outside world . . . know – this is the world.

    - – - –

    "But on TV the situation is different, I grant you."

    Not just TV – any serious or professional site . . . I gave out Daniel Pipes as an example.

    I mean – that is one fierce critic of Islam. And far bigger reputation and known – and his site allegedly is far bigger and busier too.

    - – -

  105. @ Aminriadh
    The little "problem" about qital , qatala, qataloo is solved now , I hope. So we don't need any diversion anymore.
    Therefore I turn again to my question (to you):
    " Is demanding someone to fight (qital= make war, kill), to subdue and humiliate other people hatemongering or not !?? " Don't forget : "subdue and humiliate ", Amin .
    Read here about the call to fight of Allah (you have seen it before ,I guess) : http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/9/29/default.h
    This link gives you 28 Generally Accepted translations of the quran.In which All allah commands you to fight ! Again: I call this hatemongering… and you ?

  106. @ Aminriadh.
    If the dictionary link does not work then use this one: http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/
    And type in the search word: "qital". ( Scroll a bit down when you have eached this site-page .

  107. Here is another LIE of you !
    You said you don't swear but you call me ,a young woman, troll. Time and again.
    Allthough I really don't care at all , that makes it no less a LIE , AMIN.

  108. @ Aminriadh.
    No answer ( of course) of you Aminriadh. Although he said many times he would answer, if I drop the caps ( Using caps bothers him very,very much…yep) and swearing as he calls freespeech !
    That is why I am especially interested in his answer to question nr.3 (above) :
    "What about the swearing of your Allah in his Quran ?

  109. HERE IS THE LIE OF YOU ,AMIN !
    (Oh.. it is you who is comming back again and again…and that is very funny !)
    Dr. Kamal Omar even keeps the arabic word QITAL in his translation of the Quran:
    surah 9: 29:
    "Make Qital with those who do not Believe in Allah and nor in the Last Day, and do not prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have declared Haram, and do not adopt as religion the Original and Truthful Religion — among those who are given Al-Kitab until they pay the Jizya out of (their own) hand (i.e., out of their own earnings or possessions) and they become low grade (citizens)."
    You can find it also on this page: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/9/29/default.h

  110. Oh,oh,oh that JULIA….! OH….MY !!
    You are obsessed with me , hey AMIN !!
    I'm causing you pain …is it not ? YEP…it shows..huh,huh.
    Why aren't you angry of your evil god ALLAH (and yourself) ???
    HE is swearing us kafirun many,many times ! But that is allright with you ? Why, Amin.? That is hypocrite and inconsistent ! But you never react on this !
    You believe these evil things and you pray every day 5 times that we KAFIRS are FUEL OF HELLFIRE, VILEST OF ANIMALS , SWINES, MONKEYS etc.etc.
    You do that even with a PIOUS FACE. HOW EVIL YOU ARE ,INDEED !!

  111. @ Amin.
    "Because all your purpose is to . . . insult people –
    that I do not do. "
    NO,NO,NO ,AMIN!!!
    My purpose is to destroy ISLAM !!
    Why ? Because it is pure EVIL !
    It is SOOO EVIL That it makes human beings like YOURSELF AMIN, into brainwasged , evil people too.
    I swear at you because you do the same by believing in your evil Quran !! You pray , day by day, verses in which we kafirun are cursed to hell ,called
    "fuel for hell" (Q 3:1),"vilest of animals " (Q 8:55),"monkeys and swines" (Q 5:60_ etc. against whom you must fight till thw last day (Q 9:29 ) . You must treat us harshly anf may not become friends
    (Q 3:28) with us.

  112. Hi Demsci.
    You wrote: "I even concede that Julia using the word "Rat" for you was perhaps unfortunate, as that indeed seems pretty personal."
    Don't give in to this muslim, Demsci.
    As ou certainly know Allah is swearing in his Quran too, over and over again !
    He calls us kafirs "fuel for hellfire" (surah 2:24), ""the vilest of creation"( surah 8:55),"monkeys and swines "( surah 5:60") and so on . http://quran.com/search?q=monkeys.
    Aminriadh finds these words of Allah miraculous and wonderful….He uses these verses when he prays ! So he acts in the same way ! HE MUST BE CONSISTENT, don't you think?
    Have a nice,long life in freedom (you know what i mean ;-) )

  113. Finally you have spoken to me lol. As long as Julia is in your team you are drowned . For better I am willing to sponsor more wackos like her in your team. Some thing serious against Islam will bring serious in me . Till then I have no option to end up laughing at psychotic lunatics lol

  114. "No you don't – as there is NO WAY to prove this . . . As for Sina – we have established he is unfair.
    And this is HIS site – not yours or mine. "

    To date there is no proof of the contrary either, never did I protest against swearing, or insults to me or my allies, and the people I like. In the way of them being deemed out of line. In the way of asking or suggesting that the writer should be warned or banned. So…. that definitive conclusion "No, you don't" is unjustified.

    It is very important to remember who's site this is, and who's it is not indeed. And everybody can leave this site at any time.

    Ali Sina is opposing Islam, he should not be compared to, judged by exactly the same rules as people, say, journalists, writing "public discourse". He too should moderate, I grant you, but he can give all visitors as much leeway as HE deems justifiable, tolerable, acceptable, within reasonable boundaries.

    It is to his disadvantage if this website turns "into a farce". He is the big stakeholder, not you, me, Julia.

  115. "Do you live in a cloud cuckoo land?"

    I live in Holland, a Western country. The arguments I bring forth to you are arguments from values and principle used in differing contexts all around all the time. When I discuss/ debate they are used against me too. And I hear similar arguments on TV with political debates and I read those arguments in the newspapers and on websites very often, coming from all sides, used for or against my own preferred standpoints and people I like.

  116. Aminriadh, thank you for your reaction.

    It is far from my intention to ignore you and also to avoid answering on any issue, question and challenge you bring forth.

    However, I believe to be within my rights to not or only partly answer. Both in only a part of your issues and partly in regards to answering in depth and too perfection.

    I respect you, you are very good in many respects and I grow much because of you. But I have not the space, time, capability to answer you to my own, let alone your satisfaction.

    But this is a website dedicated to oppose Islam, or parts of it. And WE ARE from opposing teams. and Julia is in MY team. Any pretense otherwise, like I was some independent unbiased observer I reject. And I admit I am not that. And I am convinced you are not that either.

    And however few, there ARE friends, enemies, real independents perhaps, who read and watch us. And really, although it sounds haughty or arrogant, we both do not speak only to each other, but also to them.

  117. "And what do mean – "specify" her swears? Why should I do that?"

    Well, when we can pinpoint exactly what it is you protest against, we can think about that and adapt, either by giving you satisfaction or room to do the same back. I mean, it is Ali Sina's call, but the others can discuss this issue of reasonable moderation. Which should never morph into censorship against allowable, tolerable free speech.

    It seems to me that you ask forever to give reasons, sources, explanations to our side. And now that I ask you this; You ask in return: Why should I do that?

  118. Correction: I would rather concentrate on what is or is not reasonable moderation ON THIS WEBSITE instead of the same IN PUBLIC DISCOURSE.

  119. "If public discourse ISN'T moderated – then it simply becomes a farce. Hence – NO ONE calls this as being opposed to Free Speech.
    Why don't you go and learn the difference."

    A difficult difference I admit. I admit there are boundaries to free speech such as swearing, racist remarks, inciting to violence. And moderation is sometimes justified.

    And then there exists censorship, motivated by other motives than moderation. And here you speak about "public discourse". And that is a broad term. Here you are on a website that is discussing Islam and is against it or parts of it. I would rather concentrate on what is and is not reasonable moderation and grounds for warning and banning. But to be sure, always with the same standards for everybody. If anti-Islam-writers get a wide liberty, so should pro-Islam-writers get it too. If they then not take that liberty, it does not mean that the anti-Islam-writers cannot make use of it.

    As pertains to THIS WEBSITE turning into a farce; would that not be to it's own disadvantage, bad for it's reputation? And is it not to your advantage? Is this not for the owner of this website to decide?

    When you conclude that you are on a too hostile or farcical website you are free to go. You are not a stakeholder here.

  120. "Is that how you justify bad language? . . . Is that how you will justify killings? Oh it is the Islam part . . . .
    That doesn't make sense . . . does it?"
    "For example . . . Say some in New York – goes and kills a Muslim person – then in court claim – it was the Islam part . . . "

    Well, consider the forum, the place where Julia spoke. She spoke on this ANTI-ISLAM-website. Where, for reasons a thousand times given, Islam is under attack. You come here as a defender of Islam and engage in fierce debate, which you can avoid, if you wish.

    In that context she admittedly treats you very harshly. Her inciting to any violence to Muslims would not be acceptable, but she never does that.

    On other websites the same sort of thing happens and were she to write on pro-Islamic websites, she would be treated none too nicely there either. Probably worse than you are treated here.

    But on TV the situation is different, I grant you. And in the outside world it is completely different again. There it is Not Done to harass people with political or religious arguments against their will. It is NOT DONE/ allowed to be harsh and insulting, let alone to swear or express racist remarks.

    And in Democratic societies Muslims have complete equal rights as everybody else. And should be treated with the same respect as everybody else, in my opinion.

  121. Do you live in a cloud cuckoo land? Demsci . . .

    "Then you came! And YOU were devastating to him! You baffled and silenced him for a while, it seems to me. "

    Is an utter lie . . .as it has already been unraveled. Answer me this . .. which you repeatedly fail to do?

    Why would I answer to someone – if they swear at me? Other than to ignore them?

    - – - –

    Then where is this big question and knowledge gone?

    Why has it suddenly disappeared?

    There was NOTHING 2 it. Julia is NOTHING MORE THAN a troll.

    - – - –

    There were 2 questions . . . which only she thought were smart . . . . but weren't – as she is unable to deal with the answers.

    Rest . . . it was all insults and swearing . . . and for a while Ali took her on . . . both at it.

    Then when he has gone . . . he swearing turned to me.

    What else is there? Try answering – rather than writing spiels – with nothing in it.

    – - –

    "Now he is telling all the world how trollish you are. How you make this website into a farce! Well, what is it to him any way? Why is he not glad that this website does turn into a farce?"

    If the abuse is directed at me . . . then you are saying what is it to me? How callous . . . mean and cold?

    - – - –

    given his position. In MY opinion it is NOT TRUE. You still stay within the boundaries of freedom of speech and you ENLIVEN this site, in my opinion! "

    Of course – as it is NOT directed at you . . . but you revealed your HYPOCRISY . . . and when I questioned you over it . . . still you have chosen to ignore that. . . and not answer.

    - – - –

    "You, Julia, on the other hand, do not need Aminriadhs answers, or his approval, on anything from him. Let us decide that it is fine by Ali Sina, me and YOU that He ignores you. Let him ignore you! "

    Then why does Julia expect an answer from me . . . . you are all over the place. . . . sometimes Julia doesn't need my answers – when it suits you . . . . oh I am unable to answer.

    Which is it. . . .?

    - – -

    I have successfully shown . . . Julia is NOTHING more than troll – whom Sina once allegedly banned.

    This person can what it feels like . . . if I am expected to answer . . . CIVILITY is not much to ask is it?

    So why is that you can answer this . . I have repeatedly asked this . . . you carefully ignore it each time.

    I have NEVER said be nice to me – just CIVIL. . . and I will answer. Simple. Else – I won't. And Julia can – say and do what she likes.

    - – - –

    "Declare that you know why he ignores he; because he has big problems with you, because you disturb his attempts to discredit Ali Sina. "

    How – Sina is completely separate from Julia . . . this is a desperately sad point to make.

    As I have shown . . . Sina discredits himself . . . his recent hypocrisy over threatening to ban a Muslim – for highlighting Julia's words . . . and his subsequent lying email.

    And EVEN you agreed with me.

    - – - –

    "You can be relaxt in the knowledge he paints you as a troll, who is to be ignored. Accept that, not because you are a troll, you are NOT."

    So swearing at someone isn't trollish? Abusing – verbally? Name calling and etc?

    What is . . . then where is you definition of a troll?

    I have given mine.

    - – -

    "You did fine, when he was flabbergasted and reeling from you! You don't need his reactions! Do not let him goad you into begging for his reactions. "

    Do point a SINGLE example out . . . and an example of this alleged goading. It is her highness that wished a reaction – especially after Ali.

    - – -

    "Instead let him be aware that you are always on the background responding all the time just so aptly, knowledgeable as you did when you first reacted here to him! "

    In other words . . . . keep swearing! Else – which "knowledge" are you talking about?

    Do point it out. I seems to have missed it.

  122. I agree with you here Julia.

    Look, Julia, the difference between Shabeer and Aminriadh is a difference between night and day. I think that you REALLY rose to the occasion, when you got a much better opponent. You too became much better! Keep going on!!!

    Aminriadh says that when there is no moderation then this website will become a farce. But I think not. Not much anyway. Only in extreme cases, like racism censorship is necessary, you do not warrant any censorship, or maybe only when you are personal, calling people rats or asking them to kill themselves, things like that, otherwise you write fine!

    Listen carefully, do not give him the excuse he needs to be able to give the world a reason not to respond to you. Otherwise you do great!

    The big question we now have to ask and answer is: Does our team need it that Aminriadh answers your questions? Does our team need it that Aminriadh answers you? I say NO, OUR TEAM DOES NOT NEED Aminriadh to answer YOU.

    What happened initially was that Ali Sina wrote or presented good articles and good information. Aminriadh, a very, very capable debater, gave him very devastating opposition, in my opinion.

    Then you came! And YOU were devastating to him! You baffled and silenced him for a while, it seems to me.

    Now he is telling all the world how trollish you are. How you make this website into a farce! Well, what is it to him any way? Why is he not glad that this website does turn into a farce? given his position. In MY opinion it is NOT TRUE. You still stay within the boundaries of freedom of speech and you ENLIVEN this site, in my opinion!

    Julia, Aminriadhs game is to refute, discredit Ali Sina. He wants to do this undisturbed, as he is awfully good at it. And because YOU disturb him in doing so, THAT is why he discredits you so much!

    You, Julia, on the other hand, do not need Aminriadhs answers, or his approval, on anything from him. Let us decide that it is fine by Ali Sina, me and YOU that He ignores you. Let him ignore you!

    Declare that you know why he ignores he; because he has big problems with you, because you disturb his attempts to discredit Ali Sina.

    Let us decide that it is totally FINE to us that you only react to his reactions to Ali Sina and other posters!

    You can be relaxt in the knowledge he paints you as a troll, who is to be ignored. Accept that, not because you are a troll, you are NOT. But accept that he paints you as one, and that he ignores you. USE THIS SITUATION WELL, for our team.

    You did fine, when he was flabbergasted and reeling from you! You don't need his reactions! Do not let him goad you into begging for his reactions. Instead let him be aware that you are always on the background responding all the time just so aptly, knowledgeable as you did when you first reacted here to him!

  123. "Again you are avoiding to answer….as you always do. "

    You can cry wolf – as many times as you like. I told you stay on straight and narrow – i will answer. Mess about I won't. Why should I answer to someone – who will abuse me no matter what?

    - – -

    I never said Qaatala doesn't mean Fight. I simply pointed out – drop the error – the word isn't – Qital.

    The dictionary link – doesn't open

    - – - –

    "Again you are exposed to be a LIAR !!! "

    Of which lie? And which previous lie/s . . . as the word "again" implies?

    If you don't drop this trollishness. . . then dont attempt to talk to me. It is that simple.

    - – - –

    "That is very arrogant of you ,Amin. huh,huh ! "

    Either cut the crap – or don't expect an answer.

    I said this clearly – a troll will abuse you no matter what – well why do you then seek me to respond?

    - – -

  124. To AMIN .
    "The root word is QaTaLa and not pronounced "Qital". See – what is the point of repeating something that is clearly wrong? This is what I meant – why talking to you is a waste of time. "
    Again you are avoiding to answer….as you always do. I am not talking about pronounciation . I'm talking about the meaning of QITAL ( Because of gramar: QATILOO in 9:29)
    You can find it here :http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=qital
    This dictionary clearly states : QITAL — Fighting, battle or war . READ IT AMIN, and all other readers.
    Again you are exposed to be a LIAR !!!
    Even your muslim brother dr. Kamal Omar uses "Make QITAL…" at the beginning of surah 9:29. And you think you know better? That is very arrogant of you ,Amin. huh,huh !
    Proof ? READ HERE AMIN : http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/9/29/default.h
    (Very islamic site!) under the head: " Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning" dr Kamal Omar translation ! .. YEP. you are caught red handed again, Amin ;-)
    You outsmarted yourself , HUH,HUH !
    I INVITE ALL READERS TO CHECK IF I SAID THE TRUTH !!!!

  125. "But I DO NOT AGREE with it."

    This is just to be seen to be disagreeing with me – and NOTHING MORE.

    If public discourse ISN'T moderated – then it simply becomes a farce. Hence – NO ONE calls this as being opposed to Free Speech.

    Why don't you go and learn the difference.

    - – - – -

    "You want liberty to insult yourself, you do it so often, so leave others maximum liberty also please. I do not recall Ali Sina, Julia or me denouncing your language to us, trying to limit your liberty in expressing yourself. "

    Again MOOT point – ridiculous . . . and an implied false accusation. I do NOT go and offensively swear at people.

    Not one case. . . . why don't you bring up some evidence . . . rather than going on with this PRETENSE?

    - – - –

    "Julia made it abundantly clear to you that she targeted you only because of your "Islam-Part" and that she would NOT target you personally for ANY OTHER REASON. "

    Actually that was an excuse . . . . and poor one . . . .and it was a complete and UTTER lie.

    I never bothered her . . . she bothered me.

    Is that how you justify bad language? . . . Is that how you will justify killings? Oh it is the Islam part . . . .

    That doesn't make sense . . . does it?

    - – -

    "And even so, this "Islam-part" she hates she by now has clearly described. Showing WHY she hates it pretty clear, I think. "

    Why isn't me – Sane people tend to distinguish between a book and people.

    = = = =

    For example . . . Say some in New York – goes and kills a Muslim person – then in court claim – it was the Islam part . . .

    Would you say the law lets him off – as that is valid? Or punish fully according to the law?

  126. This reply is DISHONEST on many levels.

    And this first is illogical and confused reasoning. You are desperately trying to dig out of a hole:

    "No, this is no good argument, really. Please specify the swearing of Julia clearly, like perhaps calling you "Rat" and everything else that was strictly personal. "

    What isn't a good argument? Just pointing and saying – in hope – won't make you look & intelligent. And what do mean – "specify" her swears? Why should I do that?

    - – -

    "But to talk about "lying and false accusations" oh, man, who is going to decide which are lies and which are not, and the same goes for which accusations are false and which are true? Or even what are accusations and what are mere observations or opinions or remarks? "

    See once again – you did NOT bother to address the actual issue – but wrote this BS spiel.

    - – -

    "At least be clear, Aminriadh, give the clear boundaries YOU would have for moderating comments, were you a moderator. "

    Hold on son – don't give more importance to a marginal issue – and avoid others. . . . this isn't my site – hence talking about moderating is meaningless.

    This is Sina's site – he does claim to moderate – yet as I have shown . . . he is all over the place. And unfair.

    - – - –

    "For I think when you make your boundaries for Julia too strict, you may end up being obliged to revising and/ or regretting at least a part of your own extensive correspondence here! "

    All I would do – if it was my site – not let trolls go unchecked.

    Repeated trollishness – banned. And that i for everyone – and not just Julia.

  127. "Freedom of speech has to go 2 ways always, there should only be one standard for all. "

    Why thank you . . . hence proven – your MASTER SINA – doesn't practice this . . . he is biased. Oh he doesn't believe in free speech – just SELECTIVE free speech.

    - – - –

    "I concede that Daniel Pipes may have stricter boundaries on speech than Ali Sina. "

    Nope – just better – and more classy . . . . I mean – he has no love for Islam. But he doesn't let his site turn into a farc like this.

    - – - –

    "All I can say is that EVERY last word that Julia has said TO you I would accept/ tolerate FROM YOU TOO. Whether it was directed at Ali Sina, her OR ME. "

    No you don't – as there is NO WAY to prove this . . . As for Sina – we have established he is unfair.

    And this is HIS site – not yours or mine.

    Also there is question of your . . . HYPOCRISY.

    - – - –

    "Harassing people in shops is wrong in my opinion, I specifically pointed out that it is important that people are free to avoid speech offensive to them, as is possible on the internet, tv, in newspapers. "

    This is what people like Julia are . . . yet you were championing her.

    - – -

    As for this supposed knowledge . . . well that hasn't materialised has it?

    Trolls never do . . . and you were falsely praising – just because I refused to answer to trollish behaviour.

  128. "We kafirs are called all kinds of bad names in that book ! "

    You mean it is your imagination . . . I asked you to give me exact references . . . unsurprisingly – you went quiet.

  129. You get sworn by . . . such anonymity – and then:

    "don't start complaining again, nor playing the victim ! "

    Wow! But julia has improved her/his conduct – so we have a positive breakthrough. . . nice to see.

  130. "But now you must promise that you keep your word like a man and don't start complaining again, nor playing the victim ! "

    It is all in your imagination . . . why is it that you fail to answer – why did you start off swearing – AND still expected me to reply?

    Amazing logic.

    - – -

    "If I were you I should leave this "farce" behind you, but I don't think you will do so "

    You are THAT unoriginal – you have to copy me. That is poor.

  131. To Amin .
    You said: "Dear Julia – henceforth . . . you do what you like – amuse yourself at my expense. I giv you full permission. "
    Thank you Amin . I have your muslimword I suppose !
    But now you must promise that you keep your word like a man and don't start complaining again, nor playing the victim !
    If I were you I should leave this "farce" behind you, but I don't think you will do so ;-)

  132. What about the the language of the Quran , Demsci.?
    Everybody tries to avoid speaking about it.
    We kafirs are called all kinds of bad names in that book ! The literal words of Allah. And muslims sy these words ,5 times each day, while "praying".

  133. You called people ( not only me)" troll" !
    You said "are you drunk "!
    You suggested in a cunning way many times that your opponents were stupid and "liars".
    You believe in your quran (and pray out of it) , and in that book we kafirs are called "fuel of hellfire", "vilest of creatures", "swines", "monkeys",….
    yes…you did (and do) this , Amin. Read back and you can
    see it ;-) .

  134. @ Aminriadh.
    You said ( quote) : "I have repeated asked Julia – if she/he is CIVIL [Look the word up] I will answer – else . . . if all she is going to do is swear at me . . . GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON – for replying?"
    1) It is very rudeand not civil to call a woman "he". So you are inconsistent again…Amin.
    2) I have posted some reactions without caps, no bad names… especially for you , Amin.
    But you still not answered my questions ;-)
    3) What about the swearing of your Allah in his Quran ? No reaction of you Amin ;-)
    4) What about the swearing of your muslimbrothers ? I don't see see any indignation of you about this .
    I rally think you cannot answer my questions in a clear and logical way…Aminriadh !
    If it were soooo simple ,why not do it . By doing this you can destroy me…and that is what you really want…is it not? Destroying an ennemy of Allah and islam …it is the best thing you can do , huh,huh ! Amin.

  135. Moham-MAD Terrorist
    Thursday 4 October 2012, 1:37 pm

    Look at what your Pedophile, Looter, Murderer, War Monger, Liar and the most dangerous CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION in the WORLD HISTORY name Mo-Ham-MAD in this book. Open up your Quran to check out the truth in it:
    http://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/the-murder-http://www.prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/muhammahttp://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/the-murder-

  136. I do research 16 to 20 Hrs a day for Husband (employment related) and for myself (Writing related) I charge $120 Hr with a 24 Hr minimum if someone wants me to do their research for them.
    That's not a joke.
    My background is a Research Anaylyst for Ipsos-Reid and Statistician. I have that up when I got married as Husband gave me the option of staying home and focussing on my writing–and along the way I became his Research Dept..
    His lists of things come ahead of mine and mine come ahead of anyone else's unless they're paying me…even then, Husband's research needs supersede all others due to time constraints.
    Refute? No point in restating points you already now damn well.

    I'm willing to bury the hatchet, disarm and stand-down if you are.
    If not peace, then Detente`.

    Now, here's something I want your take on…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/progress

    Tell me, honestly, how do you see this? Islam seems to be in the midst of the beginning stages of evolving, as Change is inevitable. I've been surfing around various Canadian sites today and tonight and have learned that the majority of Muslims in Canada will fight islamists as viciously as the rest of us–actually, more so, it turns out.
    Shariah, is NOT welcome here, and the Muslim majority wants no part of it whatsoever in this nation, and their arguments against shariah are very eloquent albeit VERY long.
    Like five pages long.

    So, I have to ask you this: What school of thought do you belong to regarding islam and such???
    This isn't an attack. It's not a trap. I simply want to know where you stand. No judgement, as your views are your views and I'm trying to be rational, clear-headed, objective and non-hostile.

    To everyone else, I respectfully ask you to refrain from attacking Taufiq Elahi if he gives answers to my questions. Please, hold off on attacks??!!

    Here, we have an Interfaith Council in Canada and they're not 'toothless'…it's composed of Christians, Muslims, Jewish and has reps from other religions outside the 'big three'.

  137. Mr. Sina you were never been a muslim and Prophet Muhammad SWA can not be your ancestor. 1.2 billion muslims love him. You can not harm the rputation of our Prophet Muhammad SWA. You and other people had tried in the past, are trying now and will try in future. But by the grace of Allah Subhanala, you folks can not touch his reputation at all. Let me tell you Mr. Sina, you and your gang does not know anything about Islam. You are trying to twist your tongue like your real ancestor to humiliate our beloved Prophet. But you guys will never be able to succeed. If you look around everyday lots of famous, rich and unkown people are accepting Islam and saying Shahada. Allah hu Akbar.

  138. Let me tell you Marlene and Julia, How do you know my background? Could you tell me Mr. Sina's background? You are saying I am brainwashed. But you and your Mr. Sina could not refute those famous scholars. Who are you, Mr. Sina and Julia? Nobody knows. Mr. Sina is a pseudoname. He does not know Islam and Prophet SWA. If he has knowledge and guts, he would come out in public and debate with real Islamic scholar. Anyway if I present my background here you will be surprised.

  139. Mr. Sina you were never been a muslim and Prophet Muhammad SWA can not be your ancestor. 1.2 billion muslims love him. You can not harm the rputation of our Prophet Muhammad SWA. You and other people had tried in the past, are trying now and will try in future. But by the grace of Allah Subhanala, you folks can not touch his reputation at all. Let me tell you Mr. Sina, you and your gang does not know anything about Islam. You are trying to twist your tongue like your real ancestor to humiliate our beloved Prophet. But you guys will never be able to succeed. If you look around everyday lots of femous, rich and unkown people are accepting Islam and saying Shahada. Allah hu Akbar.

  140. I haven't sworn at you . . . that is your domain. Lying, swearing and false accusations.

    No, this is no good argument, really. Please specify the swearing of Julia clearly, like perhaps calling you "Rat" and everything else that was strictly personal.

    But to talk about "lying and false accusations" oh, man, who is going to decide which are lies and which are not, and the same goes for which accusations are false and which are true? Or even what are accusations and what are mere observations or opinions or remarks?

    At least be clear, Aminriadh, give the clear boundaries YOU would have for moderating comments, were you a moderator.

    For I think when you make your boundaries for Julia too strict, you may end up being obliged to revising and/ or regretting at least a part of your own extensive correspondence here!

  141. I concede your point and it was probably unfortunate how Ali Sina misunderstood the situation and seemed to show bias, in willingness to ban a Muslim, where he would not ban a counter-jihadist expressing herself exactly the same. Freedom of speech has to go 2 ways always, there should only be one standard for all.

    I visited Daniel Pipes website, and commented sometimes, and it took moderating time before my comments were placed. I concede that Daniel Pipes may have stricter boundaries on speech than Ali Sina.

    I guess that there indeed are boundaries that should not be crossed. All I can say is that EVERY last word that Julia has said TO you I would accept/ tolerate FROM YOU TOO. Whether it was directed at Ali Sina, her OR ME.

    Harassing people in shops is wrong in my opinion, I specifically pointed out that it is important that people are free to avoid speech offensive to them, as is possible on the internet, tv, in newspapers.

  142. Aminriadh, I read this good decent post of yours and I do concede that TV and websites indeed moderate extreme swearing. I also, with a little bit of shame, admit that at first I did not better understand what you meant, as I now do.

    I even concede that Julia using the word "Rat" for you was perhaps unfortunate, as that indeed seems pretty personal.

    I respect your position about boundaries in the public discourse. But I DO NOT AGREE with it. There are a few points I like to make;
    - moderating okay, but only in very clear cases, like real offensive swearing, racism, obscenities, curses, but not too soon. You want liberty to insult yourself, you do it so often, so leave others maximum liberty also please. I do not recall Ali Sina, Julia or me denouncing your language to us, trying to limit your liberty in expressing yourself.
    - Julia made it abundantly clear to you that she targeted you only because of your "Islam-Part" and that she would NOT target you personally for ANY OTHER REASON. And even so, this "Islam-part" she hates she by now has clearly described. Showing WHY she hates it pretty clear, I think.

  143. "No you don't – as this is clear from . . . your support of TROLL. " It is far from clear to a logical person that I do not respect you because of my support of Julia. This is not a logical conclusion, just like this. And what is lacking here is a good reasoning in defending this conclusion. So: Isn't THIS sentence therefore MEANINGLESS???

    I dare you to show your completely unfounded allegation that I blur the distinction between attacking someones views, beliefs etc. and attacking them personally.

    That distinction is a clear value I hold. As does even Geert Wilders. I may attack Islam, but I only attack Muslims for their strict and stubborn adherence to and defense of Islam, but never personally on purpose.

    And:

    As I have been several times at pains here to explain how I believe that free speech should go both ways, that Muslims also can direct all sorts of free speech at other humans, and me, as you frequently do,

    after all that you still come up with the quote:

    "Hence you would allow . . . lying and hypocrisy to go underfoot – ad long as it is not directed at you."

    Wow, either you are a very poor listener or someone who does not shy away from intentionally misrepresenting the position of another person, in this case my position on freedom of speech.

  144. "No it isn't – as this isn't behaviour of decent Humans. "

    Look Aminriadh, here you talk about YOUR values. But what I described about Freedom of Speech, the whole package I described, that comes from different values, democratic ones, Western ones.

    As you always want us to at least understand Islam well, I think it behooves you to at least acknowledge that you at least UNDERSTAND our values about freedom of speech, different from your values, and very, very, very important to many us, Westerners and Indians, and other Democratic Citizens. As important as Islam is to you. So far you show very POOR UNDERSTANDING of this core -value of us.

    Oh, I know the most important logical fallacies, I am interested in them, read about them, I am intelligent enough to understand them. Why would you suggest the opposite?

    About avoiding answering; it is simply not possible with the space, time and capability we both have, for both of us to answer every point. and then answer it to perfection.

    You yourself answer only a very small part of all points of Ali Sina, and the other commenters. You cherrypick the weaker points to refute. Then you often call these points "meaningless, rants, drivel, ridiculous, pathetic:", turning it into a farce.

    And did you ever do the opposite and conceded points, showing that you have the desire to look like an independent instead of a biased person? Not that I know of. But you can refer to any time that you did answer in a conceding, positive way to opinions not previously your own.

    You call opponents all sorts variations of dumb, you quite often very judgmentally declare them to have base motivations.

    And to avoid answering the strong Julia, you call her a troll and always and only swearing, as if you are so nice in your posts.

    And as if you do not support and uphold and take literal the very negative, abusive language in the Quran, that she points out to you.

    But you have not openly declared that you only take the Quran symbolically instead of literally, or that you consider the contents of the Quran time-bound and no longer valid. You have not declared that some parts of the Quran/ Hadiths/ Sira you do'nt follow while you do keep follow other parts.

    That means that as a Muslim you can be held accountable for what the Quran/ Hadiths/ Sira are saying but you avoid answering for that often too.

    That is YOUR track-record of avoiding answers.

    So I suggest we both accept that we cannot answer every last point, and that we cannot answer points always perfectly.

  145. Why, exactly, are you here? It strikes me that you're NOT a fan, or even an appreciator of Mr. Sina's works, and you are a defender of the cult.
    So, you're either here because you enjoy trolling forums and such, or you're trying, and failing miserably, to defend islam in the face of the truth being exposed about it.

    Even muslim scholars are turning against islam, at no small risk to themselves, and that's bravery.
    Considering what islam does to those who try to leave it–islam is no better than organized crime, but at least The Mob and such don't pretend to be other than what they are.
    I don't have to convince you, I don't care if I convince you. But there's many, many people across the web I am spreading awareness to–although that's already well underway as the world is more-and-more repelling islam, and islamists help us immensely by furnishing new examples every day as to why islam needs to be expunged and eradicated, or the islamic religious materials editted and corrected to make them appropriately acceptable in a civilized world.
    islam is…ridiculous, if it weren't for the slavery, bloodshed and insane atrocities islam would be truly comedic, a farce on-par with Family Guy.
    The reality, and none of your denials will change this Fact, is that islam, shariah, et-al is a nightmare, reposnsible for hideous, heinous acts against innocent people and islamists are worse than Nazis albeit they hold to the same 'manifest destiny' ideals in regards to a world caliphate, and such.
    That will never happen.
    islam stands revealed as the crime against Humanity that it is, and even Leftists are slowly awakening to how bad it truly is.
    When islam loses the Leftist support in the West, as is happening now, then islam has no allies and cannot stand on it's own.
    islam cannot win in the West and here's why.
    How are you going to force compliance with shariah? Western nations aren't about to put up with it. Shariah here in our city has been Banned, utterly, and there are laws here that reinforce and will ensure that shariah cannot ever exist here.
    Other places are working to make shariah illegal/banned also.
    Religious police? Not going to work, because it'll be open season on them, same as the Resistance treated the Nazis to in WW2.
    The truth of islam is all over the web, the media, and it's always being updated, chipping steadily away at people's tolerance for islam's inhumanity and insanity. More and more people are aware of islam's doctrine of lies, and don't try to deny those exist, all you'll do is look like a total fool.
    islam has already lost the battles and the war–islamists just don't realize it yet.

  146. "You call ME brave when I watch you engage 'knife-fight'' style, Julia, you're one of the bravest women I've ever had the pleasure of meeting!! "

    In what respect? Swearing and what not?

    - – -

    Julia has been talking to herself . . . for past few days.

    Before that it was exchanging insults with Ali.

    Where is the bravery in swearing?

    In being a troll?

    - – -

    That is cowardice – hiding behind the anonymity provided by the net – to swear at people.

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    There are thousands out there . . . . if that is bravery! phew . . .

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    Rest is the usual nonsensical rhetoric.

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  147. You call ME brave when I watch you engage 'knife-fight'' style, Julia, you're one of the bravest women I've ever had the pleasure of meeting!!
    Glad you like the word 'Dahij'…courtesy of my dyslexi, but hubby say it before I corrected it, we chatted for a bit, and–well, we are counter-jihadists, fighting to protect/preserve out culture and freedoms against islam and the modern-day jihadi.
    So, I acceded to his points.
    The islamists can try all they wish to stifle us, but as you say the truth shall win out.
    I run 2 anti-islamist/anti-islamification blogs, and promote Mr. Sina's sites through them both via posts (links in them) and using Google+
    islam is imploding, but as you say again, we must not falter, never back off, never yield. I keep thinking of Churchill in WW2 and some of his quotes help me keep the steel in my spine.
    Other things, like dogsitting Hector for our neighbour when he's visiting his parents, our cat cuddled with him and I think of all the animal poisonings…and the steel in my spine is forged to the toughest it can be.
    Husband, I'm not worried about, but islamists better worry about him–he's seen them in their native lands, and spent years fighting them, and has told me of some of the atrocities he and John witnessed muslims commit, and only when he has a few whiskys in him, otherwise he never speaks of it.
    He's about as anti-islam as you can get. Not rabid about it, but absolutely opposed to islam on every level.
    Dahij Sister!! :D
    Dahij with exposing the truth of this monstrous, vile cult!

  148. "qital"

    The root word is QaTaLa and not pronounced "Qital". See – what is the point of repeating something that is clearly wrong? This is what I meant – why talking to you is a waste of time.

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  149. By the way Dr. Kamal Omar even keeps the arabic word QITAL in his translation of the Quran:
    surah 9: 29:
    "Make Qital with those who do not Believe in Allah and nor in the Last Day, and do not prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have declared Haram, and do not adopt as religion the Original and Truthful Religion — among those who are given Al-Kitab until they pay the Jizya out of (their own) hand (i.e., out of their own earnings or possessions) and they become low grade (citizens)."
    You can find it also on this page:
    OH…And "troll" is calling a bad name .Amunriadh .As I said before,I don't mind a bit, but it is inconsistent of you and very uncivilised ,certainly towards a lady ! ;-)

  150. To Aminriadh.
    You know very well that surah 9:29 begins with a word that comes from "qital" (in this case ,because of the grammer: QATILOO). This is certainly no lies ( you mean lie, i think ;) )Proof, see this site: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/9/29/default.h
    There you can read the transliteration of the Arabic:
    QATILOO allatheena la yu/minoona biAllahi wala bialyawmi al-akhiri wala yuharrimoona ma harrama Allahu warasooluhu wala yadeenoona deena alhaqqi mina allatheena ootoo alkitaba hatta yuAAtoo aljizyata AAan yadin wahum saghiroona

  151. "Is demanding someone to fight (qital= make war, kill), to subdue and humiliate other people hatemongering or not !?? "

    Another lies and false accusation . . . also as pointed out – there is no such word as "(qital= make war, kill"

    - – -

    This is what being a troll is about.

  152. Because all your purpose is to . . . insult people – that I do not do.

    Sorry to disappoint my dear.

    - – -

    But this is a mistake:

    FIGHT (arabic=QITAL=make war,slaughter,kill)

    The word in Surah 9:29 is the verb QAATALA – قاتل it means to fight.

    There is no such thing as "Qital".

    - – -

    "BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT AND DARE NOT ANSWER SOME SIMPLE QUESIONS !!! "

    If you are civil . . . do not lie – swear – falsely accuse . . . then I answer everything.

    Else – answer me this . . . what is the point? If all you are going to do is swear at me?

    Comment after comment?

  153. I have NEVER called this person anything of the sort . . . but lies and such accusations never get in his/her way.

  154. AMINRIADH !
    Is demanding someone to fight (qital= make war, kill), to subdue and humiliate other people hatemongering or not !??

  155. "Be honest man ! You are really pathetic. ! "

    I haven't sworn at you . . . that is your domain. Lying, swearing and false accusations.

    The very definition of troll. You cannot manage anything beyond that. . . .

  156. "WHAT ABOUT Surah 9: 29 which says yjat people of the book must be called dhimmis, and these people must be subdued and humilited. "

    قاتلوا الذين لا يؤمنون بالله ولا باليوم الآخر ولا يحرمون ما حرم الله ورسوله ولا يدينون دين الحق من الذين أوتوا الكتاب حتى يعطوا الجزية عن يد وهم صاغرون

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [Quran 9:29]

    Needless to say – what the alleged claim is – and what the verse say are 2 different things.

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    "What about the insults in your , quran ?
    You never react on that !!! Do we have to like it to be called "fuel for hellfire, vilest of creatures", "swines donkeays"….What you do is playing the victim. "

    This person has problems – of distinguishing between her own personal insults to me . . . and what is alleged from a book.

    As seen from above what the Book says and what this person claims – tend to be 2 different things.

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    "Did you notice what insults some muslims (and you yourself )came with….no…of course not ! Remember: "crackpot, troll, tranny, dungsniffer, dikslurper….Very civilised indeed !!!! "

    Troll – is a word for your behaviour and swearing – it is net term for such people.

    You have trouble understanding that I am NOT responsible for anyone but myself.

    Hence – I am not responsible for others' words except my own.

    Also – right from day one – all oyu are INTERESTED In is exchanging insults.

    Presumably that is all you can do.

    - – -

    It has been a struggle to get you this far . . . keep it up!

  157. NO REACTION OF THE "CIVILISED"MUSLIM ( biggest insult possible) Amin Riadh…..OF COURSE !!!

  158. YEP ….BUT CALLING SOMEONE DUNGSNIFFER AND DIKSLURPER IS VERY UNCIVILISED INDEED !!!

  159. What is your problem Aminriadh ( no caps ;-) to make you happy)?
    Do you find these insults humiliating ??
    WHAT ABOUT Surah 9: 29 which says yjat people of the book must be called dhimmis, and these people must be subdued and humilited. And you dare to say: "
    Freedom – is to say – without repression from government etc.
    What about the insults in your , quran ?
    You never react on that !!! Do we have to like it to be called "fuel for hellfire, vilest of creatures", "swines donkeays"….What you do is playing the victim.
    Did you notice what insults some muslims (and you yourself )came with….no…of course not ! Remember: "crackpot, troll, tranny, dungsniffer, dikslurper….Very civilised indeed !!!!
    Be honest man ! You are really pathetic. !

  160. "Yes, within boundaries, that I specified, with the explicit proviso that verbally abusing of all humans by Muslims was fine also."

    No it isn't – as this isn't behaviour of decent Humans. At least be civil to each other.

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    "Or did you deliberately misrepresent my position by selecting only the part that suited you? This looks suspiciously like a strawman fallacy to me. "

    Now don't pretend you know what fallacies are . . . all of a sudden.

    See this what you do repeatedly . . . avoid answering – and turn everything into a farce.

    Here you are pretending . . .

    "Or did you deliberately misrepresent my position by selecting only the part that suited you?"

  161. "I happen to respect you a lot, Aminriadh, for your skills and knowledge, "

    No you don't – as this is clear from . . . your support of TROLL.

    Someone whose sole purpose is to abuse . . . and NOTHING else.

    - – -

    If it isn't – WHY can't Julia simply be civil? Answer that . . .

    - – -

    "Julia is an ally, if she allows me, and to me it is better to play in a team, then it is to be a "lone wolf"'. The other wolves may differ in many things, but on main points we agree. "

    It doesn't work like that . . . hence the hypocrisy . . . Sina will ban a Muslim for swearing like Julia.

    But he wont remove Julia's comments.

    - – -

    Oh . . . he did allegedly ban her . . . but he didn't – it was all a drama.

    - – -

    Hence – people like Pipes – have comments policy. Trolls they ban . . . anything else goes.

    There is DIFFERENCE between attacking someone's view, beliefs and etc. And attacking them personally.

    You have blurred the distinction . . . to make it out to be what it isn't. And you are good at that . . . I have said that often.

    - – -

    "To me the most important is not whether or not the player, but whether or not the team wins or performs well. "

    I think you're confused – and need a dose of reality. Hence you would allow . . . lying and hypocrisy to go underfoot – ad long as it is not directed at you.

  162. Freedom of speech is – that Julia says whatever she feels like.

    This does not mean – such views are aired by either Media or Websites and etc. As they have clearly defined rules – as to what is acceptable or not.

    This is why you see CIVILISED heated debate . . . and NOT SWEARING. Else the whole thing turns into a farce.

    - – -

    Answer this – don't mess about – don't turn this into one of your ranting spiels . . . and FOR ONCE – answer simply and honestly:

    Sina threatened a Muslim with a ban . . . when that Muslim pasted Juila's swearing. Sina thought it was the Muslim swearing . . . but it wasn't.

    Now isn't this HYPOCRISY or not. I emailed him. . . he said:

    " I can't read all the comments. I will see if I can create a flagging feature so other members can flag the abusing members and then I can read and see if they should be warned or banned. "

    - – -

    Freedom – is to say – without repression from government etc. But that doesn't mean say a shop . . . that will throw you out for swearing at customers.

    Or would you protest against that shop – that it doesn't allow freedom of speech

    - – -

    Daniel Pipes for example – has comments policy . . . why do you think?

    Why don't you protest there? Freedom of speech?

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  163. This foul behaviour has NOTHING to do with freedom or whatnot. This why you don't have people swearing their faces off – on TV.
    Such behaviour is moderated.

    This is why Websites have comments policies in place . . . because they do not want to lower the tone of their Websites . . .

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    What the hell does plain old swearing – have to do with Freedom? As no one is taking away anyone's freedom to swear . . . just not allowing such abuse and foul language on to their website – to facilitate good discussion.

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    "And we all know much about them, and Julia, who indeed is quite Islam-aware, often points some of them out to you. "

    This is DELIBERATE lying from you . . . Julia isn't really aware of anything . . . some of her comments are simply really foul. She/he is a troll. Who will follow you posting up – nast messages.

    And you know it. And just because it isn't directed at you . . . that is why it doesn't bother you . . .

    Have you not read the some of the abuse? I mean would you sit down talk with such person? All that someone did was swore at you?

    Sina threatened to BAN someone for pasting her swears . . . just for that!

    Yet. . . . no threats the actual . . . person!

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    "And some of the Islamic holy texts, many of your own answers here on Alisina.org, as well of comments of other Muslims here and on many other forums, also DISH OUT MANY INSULTS to opponents. "

    I am against ALL SWEARING and FOUL PETTY PERSONAL INSULTS.

    Whether the proponent is Muslim or not . . . as it is clear – YOU and SINA are not.

    When the abuse is directed at Muslims . . . it is fine . . . else – well I have proof right here . . . . just scroll below – and read Sina's threat.

    - – -

    I have repeated asked Julia – if she/he is CIVIL [Look the word up] I will answer – else . . . if all she is going to do is swear at me . . . GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON – for replying?

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    "But still you protest against "swearing", "abusive language", hate-mongering all the time. It seems to me that you are the one who is hypocritical. "

    Of what . . . . so once – again empty and false accusation . . .

    as this is BS:

    "And some of the Islamic holy texts, many of your own answers here on Alisina.org, as well of comments of other Muslims here and on many other forums, also DISH OUT MANY INSULTS to opponents. "

    What does other forums have to with anything? This is about this site . . . and site alone.

    Whosoever swears . . . and is a troll – should have his/her comments removed.

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    "One question; would YOU ban Julia, if you could, and above WHY then? "

    I would moderate comments to root out "trollness" and abuse. However is a person repeatedly – just swears at people . . . then ban them.

    Who wants swearing at their website?

  164. YOU ARE RIGHT OF COURSE DEMSCI !!!
    Aminriadh is a hypocritical muslim !
    It is for him unimaginable that we KAFIRS insult muslims ("the best of creation") and Mohammed ( "the mercy to all mankind") !!
    AND BECAUSE HE CAN'T WIN HE STARTS PLAYING THE WELL KNOWN MUSLIM VICTIM !!

  165. HI AMIN ;-)
    YOU SAY: "Such behviour ( BAD SELLING, but I don't mind ;-) )is unjustified in all cases. And is illogical."
    SO YOUR ALLAH AND MOHAMMED ARE TROLLS TOO ?? BECAUSE YOUR IDOL ALLAH IS SWEARING IN YOUR EVIL BOOK THE QURAN AT ME (and all of us KAFIRUN) OVER AND OVER AGAIN , I think you know that verry well ( VILEST OF CREATURES, FUEL FOR HELL, SWINES,DONKEYS ETC..
    ALSO YOU SAY: "Why would someone speak to troll – who simply abuses US? " (paraphrased ;-) )
    IF YO WERE CONSISTENT YOU SHOULD NOT PRAY (TALK) TO YOUR VILE IDOL ANYMORE !! I'M not JOKING AMIN, I am only reasoning ,LOGICALLY !!! HUH , HUH !!!

  166. @ AMIN
    ALI SINA HAS TO BAN YOUR IDOL ALLAH AND YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED FOR INSULTING US FOR 1400 YEARS !!!
    YES, AMIN, IT IS YOU WHO IS THE HYPOCRITE !
    YOU DID SAY NOTHING ABOUT THIS LOW-LIFE ALI WHO EXCELLED IN CALLING BAD NAMES (DUNGSNIFFER , DIKSLURPER…and so on ).
    And you yourself are a staunch believer of every word in your Quran which calls us (AGAIN ! because you still don't get it) : VILEST OF CREATURES, FUEL FOR HELLFIRE , SWINES, DONKEYS ETC.) YOU and all your brothers and sisters PRAY THESE "NICE AND PEACEFUL " THINGS 5 times EVERYDAY !!!
    AMAZING …HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ! Is there not a litlle bit of conscience left inside you??? SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR BRUTALITY !!!
    I THINK MOST READERS WILL AGREE WITH ME (except of course the muslims …HUH,HUH !!

  167. THE MOST BIZARRE ": RESPONSE": IS THAT OF YOU,AMINRIADH !
    You give NO RESPONSES AT ALL !!! All readers SEE that !!!
    THAT'S REALLY PATHETIC ! ….AND VERY SHAMEFULL FOR YOU !
    Your muslim brothers must be very ashamed TOO by your performance here! BEING A MUSLIM "SCHOLAR" AND ALL !! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
    By the way no swearing from me…SEE ? I don't even call you FUEL FOR HELL FIRE, VILEST OF CREATURES ,SWINE, DONKEY…. AS YOUR EVIL IDOL ALLAH DOES ! ;-)
    Come on "best of creation"!! ,You can do better ! HUH,HUH !!

  168. Dear, brave, MARLENE !
    I agree with you 200% !!
    I like theat DAHIJ !! Counter-Jihad ! ;-)
    Islam will surely destroy itself and we are helping it strongly doing just that !!
    . We only need to say the TRUTH about it!
    That's Why freespeech is of the utmost importance.
    WE WIIL NOT LET THESE EVIL MUSLIMS STIFLE US !!
    The truth must be clear to the whole world!!!
    The TRUTH about Islam will set everybody FREE, even the muslimslaves (as they call THEMSELVES !).

  169. Anonymous Coward, we do night fight islam, we do not need to…islam is defeating ITSELF, more and more people every day are becoming aware of the true nature of islam, it's lies and deceptions, they check things out, vett things objectively, and pick up the banner of Dahij…yes, that's 'jihad' spelled backwards, as in Counter-Jihad.
    Fighting in pointless, but educating people, peeling back the lies and deceptions of islam, and showing it as the murderous and insane cult that it is…well…
    It accomplished far more than fighting.
    The tide is turning against isla, and there will be NO global caliphate, ever. Nor will there be global shariah.
    islam seeks to enslave us in the Western world, and we will not be treated so.
    You call us kaffir and dhimmi–examples of how discriminatory and against-unity islam truly is.
    When 5.5 billion people turn against islam, it will be ended and undone.

  170. "As it is repeatedly clear . . . that you couldn't defend your position. Hence you resorted to supporting a troll."

    Julia is an ally, if she allows me, and to me it is better to play in a team, then it is to be a "lone wolf"'. The other wolves may differ in many things, but on main points we agree. To me the most important is not whether or not the player, but whether or not the team wins or performs well.

    And from the beginning it was clear to me that you and I belonged to different teams, wasn't it to you?

    I happen to respect you a lot, Aminriadh, for your skills and knowledge, and against you it feels as if one can never defends one's position, if it is not your own position also.

    At least not according to you, WHEN you respond to it. NEVER, NO MATTER WHAT.

  171. "As you have OPENLY justified – that verbally abusing Muslims is fine – I think we have have a point."

    Yes, within boundaries, that I specified, with the explicit proviso that verbally abusing of all humans by Muslims was fine also. With the primary motivation of exposing, protesting against the deeds of evil and stupid humans, who we thereby hold accountable. Which "abuse" then, we think, will, besides having some bad effects, have more good effects.

    What POINT do you have knowing that?! Did you perhaps misunderstand me, perhaps because of lack of intention to understand me?

    Or did you deliberately misrepresent my position by selecting only the part that suited you? This looks suspiciously like a strawman fallacy to me.

  172. "Actually – they are personal insults – and this doesn't work – no sane people does that – and blame his/her behavior"
    "For example – one could justify killing people in this way – as often happen."

    I respond to the justifying of killing of people in this way. Yes, but I am still much in favor of freedom of speech.

    Before there was freedom of speech, there was plenty justifying of killing, plenty killing among humans. People were often killed because of their speech directly. Speech which was often directed against evil, corrupt or stupid behavior of humans. Others were killed when there was no freedom of speech to denounce the killers.

    The point I am trying to make is that in my opinion without freedom of speech very probably many more people would be killed or oppressed or manhandled than with freedom of speech. Without it many perpetrators would not be exposed, protested against and held accountable. Allowing them to go on with their evil deeds, which freedom of speech would have hindered, stopped. This is my honest opinion.

    So even when people get killed on the pretext that feelings were intolerably hurt, even then freedom of speech could be on the whole and the long run much better than censorship of sensitive free speech.

  173. "Your hypocrisy was in the 1st line:
    "I don't like to be disrespectful or abusive to anyone at all"
    You won't do it yourself – but champion the one who does!

    No! You show such a poor understanding of freedom of speech, and it probably has to do with you being a Muslim and having different values. And I say "understanding" because I don't expect you to have the same values as me, but you do not even show UNDERSTANDING my values. You, who always chastise others about their poor understanding, according to you.

    Freedom of speech is about dishing out, what I talked about, to which you responded, but ALSO about what a person is willing to TAKE, TOLERATE.

    Now I put boundaries on freedom of speech. No inciting to violence directly. No harassing people on the streets or in the workplace or at home, where they cannot avoid the free speech. Only on TV, Internet, the Media, maybe conferences, where people can avoid the free speech.

    Now both Julia and I, and maaaaaaaany Westerners, and some Muslims, are willing to take insults as much as we give them, within these boundaries. When we hurt someone, we are willing to be hurt ourselves, when we hurt someone others love, like Mohammed, we are willing to let someone we love be hurt, like Jesus or any historical or political leader you might want to insult. When we burn a holy book, we do not object others burning our books. Etc.

    it would be hypocritical from us only when we protested against and wanted to censor the same sort of free speech as we gave. But we do take that. And you are proof. To begin with Ali Sina and all of us put up with your incessant negative judgments and insults in your answers. We can point legions of them.

    And because you are here as a Muslim, and as Julia points out, that means that you are in agreement with what Islamic holy texts declare. It is only logical for others to assume this, until you come up with explanations that you do not take them literally, but only symbolically and not wholly but only partly and why.

    And we would love to hear you explain that. As at the same time you would be explaining that to all visiting Muslims here and it could be used against you by them.

    But you cannot play some sort of independent observer, or judge, jury, or psychologist here. You are defending and connected to Islam here, and so to Islamic texts! And also to high Islamic schools of thought!

    And we all know much about them, and Julia, who indeed is quite Islam-aware, often points some of them out to you.

    And some of the Islamic holy texts, many of your own answers here on Alisina.org, as well of comments of other Muslims here and on many other forums, also DISH OUT MANY INSULTS to opponents.

    But still you protest against "swearing", "abusive language", hate-mongering all the time. It seems to me that you are the one who is hypocritical.

    One question; would YOU ban Julia, if you could, and above WHY then?

  174. Accepted. I should modify this sentence-beginning then "it seems to me that". And I can add that I read and heard this from many sources, including but not limited to the websites of Ali Sina and Robert Spencer.

  175. The interesting thing is …..WHY ARE YOU RUNNING ? AMINRIADH
    AND AN EVEN MORE INTERESTING THING IS : WHY DON,T YOU ANSWER SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM ,AMINRIADH ?
    1) Surah 2:1—Alif,Lam,Meem . What does ALLAH mean ? Explain IN DETAIL PLEASE ! ;-)
    2) Why is the pre-islamic pagan IDOL,THE BLACK STONE still in the Kaaba, and why do you muslims honour and worship this SILLY THING, by boing down to it and by kissing it ??

  176. TALK ABOUT ISLAM MUSLIM SCHOLAR !!! DON'T TRY TO RUN !!
    EVERYTIME YOU COME WITH SILLY RED HERRINGS.
    WE SEE THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO ANSWER !! AND WE LAUGH ABOUT YOU !!!
    THIS MAKES YOU CLEARY ANGRY, SO YOU KEEP PLAYING THE MUSLIM VICTIM.
    DON'T BE A COWARD OR A CRY BABY….YOU ARE A "FIERCE" MUSLIM SCOLAR AND FIGHTER AREN"T YOU ??? ;-)

  177. Dear Julia – henceforth . . . you do what you like – amuse yourself at my expense. I giv you full permission.

    - – -

    Me – I am amazed at this "Ali Sina" – he is the real troll.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – oh the absolute farce!

  178. I AM PLAYING WITH YOU ,EMPTY HEAD { } .
    Like a puppet on a string ! Evry time you do exactly what I want…And you have't the slifgtest idea what is happening to yo !!!
    LOL …oh,yes LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO ! HAHAHAHA !!!Funny kid this Empty SET { }.

  179. Here is the interesting thing . . . . Sina – threatened a Muslim for highlighting this persons abuse . . . which he though was from him.

    Yet – all such abuse – apparently – Sina doesn't see. This person is nothing more than a troll.

    I emailed Sina – his response:

    " I can't read all the comments. I will see if I can create a flagging feature so other members can flag the abusing members and then I can read and see if they should be warned or banned. "

    Yet he had banned this person . . . I know he has read this persons comments – as he left a reply once.

    I also reported the abuse previously.

    Yet :-

    More bizarre response from Sina!

  180. "Don\'t make excuses Amin Riadh."

    Woa! You are not one bit interested – or have been. Any challenge to you has led – to verbal abuse . . . with taunts of liar, evil – and how you have humiliated me here!

    I have emailed and said – I am not one bit interested in your $50K – yet there has been strange "acts" on your part. . .

    According to you – you have set of questions you ask Muslims – when they claim to have read your book.

    I made such claim – and waited for your supposed questionnaire – and that in itself was a strange affair.

    Your reply was that you were going to think up the question than get back at me.

    See many of your stories do not fit.

    - – -

    I tested your book – and posed some challenges – you are simply not up for the job . . . it is evidence on comments page for on:
    http://alisina.org/blog/2012/08/10/the-sound-sane

    If I feel it is worth putting the effort in – I will But on current evidence . . . it isn't. Why?

    It is self-published book – for which you could not even afford a designer. it is a terrible book.

    - – -

    I don't think there is one person who writes under this name "Ali Sina" – because the comment writing style has changed . . .

    Also – sometimes the name "Jonathon Harrell" resolves to being "Ali Sina" identity.

    - – -

    What is really interesting is this web of 'lies' . . . .

  181. Do you think I'm going to play ping pong with you when you are agree to disagree on solutions or answers !

    Prostitution of freedom !

    Your mentor haven't yet banned me ! lol you hopeless guys even don't know how to behave with higher authority !

  182. YOU ARE PLAYING THE VICTIM AGAIN ,AMIN !!!
    IS THIS ALL YOU KNOW ABOUT ISLAM ! YOU ARE A MUSLIM SCHOLAR AREN'T YOU ?
    SO ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTIONS OF ME. DO IT NOT FOR ME (I don't MIND ) BUT DO IT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OTHER READERS…BE IT MUSLIMS OR NON-MUSLIMS !!!
    HOW ABOUT THAT? ;-) I'M SURE MANY READERS WANT TO THE ANSWERS !! '
    THEN YOU CAN LEAVE A "TROLL " LIKE ME BEHIND YOU !!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU CALL ME A TROLL OR WHATEVER !
    JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS…..IF YOU CAN !!! ;-) ))
    ALIF ,LAM,MEEM ARE THE WORDS OF ALLAH HIMSELF, YIU MUST TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY, BEING A MUSLIM AND ALL !!

  183. EMPTY SET { }….YEP !

  184. If SOMEONE IS INTELLIGENT YOU CALL HIM SMART….IF SOMEONE IS UNINTELLIGENT (with proofs) YOU CALL HIM STUPID….IF SOMEONE IS PROVABLE VERY STUPID ( BECAUSE HE SAYS AND BELIEVES ,IN CRAZY AND ILLOGICAL THINGS) YOU CAN CALL HIM CRETIN…THAT IS VERY LOGICAL …!!!
    I SWEAR THE MUSLIM INSIDE THE HUMAN BEING YOU CAN AND SHOULD BE. !
    YOU MUST,BEING A MUSLIM,FIGHT ME TILL I SUBMIT….BUT YOU WANT ME TO BE SILENT ABOUT THAT….WHAT A JOKE!!!
    YOUR ARE PATHETIC ! THIS AN OLD (MUSLIM) TRICK…WHEN YOU MUSLIMS CAN'T WIN YOU START PLAYING THE VICTIM !!!
    IT WILL NOT WORK AMIN !!!
    ANSWER MY QUESTIONS….OR SHUT UP !! WE DON'T WANT CRY-BABIES HERE !!

  185. DEAR (!) AMINRIADH, (this is what I would say to you if you weren't a MUSLIM)
    I WIL KEEP HAUNTING YOU ,YOU COWARD (JUST THE TRUTH) !!!
    THE KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM IS ,FOR EXAMPLE, THIS :
    1) ALIF,LAM, MEEM ! WHAT DOES IT MEAN ?
    2) WHY IS THE PRE-ISLAMIC IDOL, THE BLACK STONE IN YOUR KAABA AND WHY DO YOU VENERATE THIS PAGAN THING ?
    Calling someone a troll is name-calling too ! ( And also, stupid, crakpot, dungsniffer, swin, monkey, fuel for hellfire etc..etc. ).I really don't mind at all , but stay consistent of you want to be logical. ;-)
    YOU FIND THIS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ,HEY AMIN ???

  186. OH,OH,OH…Aminriadh your sooooo logical.
    BUT POINTING AT SOME SILLY THINGS LIKE LANGUAGE USE, CAPS….HUH,HUH…CAPS… IS A FALLACY TOO, A RED HERRING !!! THE ITEM HERE IS : ISLAM . NOT LANGUAGE USE , CAPS OR OTHER SILLY THINGS !! BE A MAN …NOT A CRY-BABY. THÁT IS PATHETIC !!
    ANSWER MY QUESTIONS !!! YOU COWARD !!!
    Over and over again you say will not answer me , but everytime YOU DO , with stupid comments about silly things !!!

  187. TO AMINRIADH the muslim( biggest insult I can come with !)
    You wrote:
    "Calling cretin ,bastard to a fellow opponent is FREE SPEECH."
    Now if this isn't hate mongering – then what is it? "
    WELL TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
    REAL HATE MONGERING IS WHAT YOUR EVIL GOD DOES (and you implicitely too) IN YOUR EVIL BOOK THE QURAN.
    For example SURAH 9:29 says:
    FIGHT (arabic=QITAL=make war,slaughter,kill) those WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH nor in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly WHILE THEY ARE BUMBLED." THERE ARE MANY MORE SURAHS LIKE IT, YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL, BUT YOUR ARE SOOOOO BRAINWASHED AND ASHAMED that you look away from it !
    THÁT IS HATEMONGERING …AND NOTHING LESS !!
    "As it is repeatedly clear . . . that you couldn't defend your position , BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT AND DARE NOT ANSWER SOME SIMPLE QUESIONS !!!

  188. To Aminriadh !!
    You wrote:
    "Really? But according to you rationality is – swearing and insulting. If not – you wouldn't practice it. "
    QUESTION : Your god Allah practices the same thing -swearing and insulting-, does this mean that that Allah is NOT RATIONAL !??? DARE YOU SAY THIS ??? ;-)
    For example,Surah 3:10 says: "Indeed, THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE ( we, the kafirun!!) – never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all. And it is they who are FUEL FOR THE FIRE
    Another example (there are many more ), Surah 2:15 says: [But] Allah MOCKS THEM"(THE KAFIRUN ) and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
    AND REMEMBER YOUR OWN (and other Muslims LIKE ALI and { } ) SWEARING AND INSULTING:
    TROLL , LIAR, DIKSLURPER, DUNGSNIFFER , …enfin you must know it by now !
    IF YOU WERE REALLY RATIONAL YOU WOULD NOT DODGE SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS !! And you would certainly not whine about CAPS !!
    YOU ARE RUNNING LIKE A COWARD, AMINRIADH, because you DARE NOT and CAN NOT ANSWER my QUESTIONS.
    I will make you to the laughing stock of this site , just as I did with YOUR DUNGSNIFFING (!) MUSLIMBROTHER ALI (en) .

  189. Don\’t make excuses Amin Riadh. Even though the value of real estate has dropped substantially. there is much more than $50 k left. So start writing your rebuttal if you can.

  190. YES,yes,yes …we knoe all your muslim drivel !
    I speak to you the magical words of surah 2:1 —ALIF,LAM,MEEM.
    Think long about this "wonderful" verse….HAHAHAHA…and there are many more like it !
    It must be islamic SCIENCE …..BWAAAAAHOOOOHAHAAAA !!!!!! AMAZING !

  191. Hello Amin.
    MEANINGLESS ARE SURAHVERSES LIKE 2:1 which say :
    ALIF,LAM MEEM !! You know them !
    It must seem to you that an evil JINN is HAUNTING you ! HEY , AMIN….
    BOOOOOO, BOOOO , YOU do believe in JINNS don't you …HEY AMIN ?? IT'S IN YOUR QURAN MAN !!!! HAHAHAHA…Sorry .. I find it superstition you know, HAHAHA

  192. "But this is like saying if you can prove 2+2=3 you will win. You can\'t prove that unless you resort to logical fallacies. "

    Meaningless comment.

    I simply point out – that the claim you have $50K to give out is fraudulent. As it is pretty apparent – you do not have that kinda money.

    - – -

    And take up learning the science of Logic – rather than harping about the list of "logical fallacies" you once read.

  193. "I have some incomes from which I maintain myself. With the drop of the real estate that is also disappearing. So soon I may have to start job hunting."

    More evidence against – the ridiculous $50K rhetoric.

  194. Once again . . . why isn't the same applied to "denialisnoproof" – who even threatens – never mind the foul swearing and "julia"

    Those two are far worse – yet direct it at Muslims?

  195. "But it is well known that . . . "

    I take it you are aware that – sentence beginning with the above phrase tend to be logical fallacy?

    You cannot simply claim something is well know – without justifiable evidence.

    - – -

    Another rant. At least – you are beginning to show your true colours.

  196. "Many of you Muslims pretend opponents of Islam are haters and haters only. "

    As you have OPENLY justified – that verbally abusing Muslims is fine – I think we have have a point.

    And read below the sheer hypocrisy of Sina – who lets people like "denialisnoproof" and "Julia" loose – yet he threatens a Muslim for simply asking:

    "Calling cretin ,bastard to a fellow opponent is FREE SPEECH."

    Now if this isn't hate mongering – then what is it?

    - – -

    This site is hate mongering . . . look at openly fabricated articles . . . that when challenged – fall apart.

    Have you not managed to notice . . . how no one bothers to discuss them – yet embroil in petty insults?

    Why?

    Hate mongering. . . . and nothing more.

    - – -

    You yourself do not do it – yet are openly agree with Julia for sheer abuse? How ridiculous!

    As it is repeatedly clear . . . that you couldn't defend your position. Hence you resorted to supporting a troll.

    Really – how pathetic.

  197. "I am not banning you because you were not warned. But will ban you if you insult others. This place is simply not for that kind of people."

    Oh wow! – astounding HYPOCRISY – I get abuse from "Julia" – you do nothing . . . yet you found the above offensive?

    Nice!

    - – -
    As I have pointed out – Sina is hate monger – hence the above. "denialisnoproof" and "Julia" – abuse people with everything under the sun . . . yet he is objecting to the above?

  198. "A CRETIN ETC.ETC. THEN I ONLY EXPRESS MY ABHORRENCE OF ISLAM AS LOUD AND CLEARLY AS I CAN !! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT ! "

    This doesn't equate to swearing at me . . . as there is difference between swearing at Islam and someone personally.

    Such behviour is unjustified in all cases. And is illogical.

    - – -

    Why would someone speak to troll – who simply abuses you?

  199. "I don't like to be disrespectful or abusive to anyone at all, but above you explained to Aminriadh that it is not him personally but his Islamic part that you abuse and ridicule. And you give your good reasons, from Islamic doctrine, for that too. I like it a lot that you explained this. "

    Actually – they are personal insults – and this doesn't work – no sane people does that – and blame his/her behavior

    For example – one could justify killing people in this way – as often happen.

    Your hypocrisy was in the 1st line:

    "I don't like to be disrespectful or abusive to anyone at all"

    You won't do it yourself – but champion the one who does!

    - – -

    How is name calling – and trollish behaviour justified?

    - – -

    " and also that you have a deep knowledge of Islam"

    Unjustified – Where is this knowledge of Islam? This is troll that Sina once banned. What he actually did was banned it in one site – but this person was loose on the other.

    - – -

  200. You may think whatever you wish – my dear. It is real simple – why bother a net troll?

    " HE TALKS ABOUT CAPS ( huh,huh)"

    Not just me . . . several people on this site have asked you. . . including your fellow troll.

    - – -

    "THE RATIONAL THINKING READERS WILL SURELY AGREE WITH THIS !! "

    Really? But according to you rationality is – swearing and insulting. If not – you wouldn't practice it.

  201. I don't want to advertise my faith. according to me religion is personal matter . And people should realize god for themselves.
    But many muzzleem friends of mine in india support pakistan because it is a muslim nation.
    and also once my friend said as today is friday pakistan is going to win as it is muslim country ,when i asked him isn't more muslim staying in india he said india is not ruled by muslims .
    In short he wanted whole world to be ruled by muslims.
    Also he was sad that hindu sachin tendulkar had broken muslim saeed anwars record in cricket. You people should be really ashamed to make whole in the plate you eat.

  202. THE "CHOSEN ONE" and quasi-intellectual AMINRIADH IS TRYING HARD TO GET AWAY .
    HE USES ALL KINDS OFF PATHETIC DIVERSIONS. HE TALKS ABOUT CAPS ( huh,huh) , BAD LANGUAGE ETC. I have refuted this nonsense over and over again , THE RATIONAL THINKING READERS WILL SURELY AGREE WITH THIS !!
    BY DOING SO HE IS TRYING TO AVOID SOME REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS THAT DESTROY HIS WHOLE EVIL CULT ! (There are many other such questions , but these two will do the JOB …LOL { } ). In SHORT :
    1) what do the SILLY letters ALIF,LAM,MEEM mean?
    2) why is the pre-islamic PAGAN IDOL, THE BLACK STONE on/in the kaaba and why do muslims adorate this stupid thin by prostrating (5 times a day !! lol) and kissing it ! LOL (as empty head { } uses to say) …huh,huh…LOL !! ;-)

  203. @ DEMSCI.
    "Yes, you are right, impressive numbers indeed do follow and love Islam. " NO,NO, NO !!
    THERE IS no need to be intimidated by some stupid muslim numbers !
    Most muslims don't believe on their own CRAP CULT !
    As soon as the can …THEY WILL APOSTATE !
    BUT MOST OF ALL…THERE ARE AT LEAST 5.5 BILLION NON-MUSLIMS. Don't let these EVIL MUSLIM-BASTYARDS FOOL YOU !!!
    WE ARE MUCH,MUCH STRONGER…NOT ONLY BY NUMBERS .BUT WE HAVE ….THE TRUTH !!
    THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL !!
    Have a long and cheerful life in FREEDOM !! SO..KEEP ON FIGHTING EVIL ISLAM !!!

  204. Numbers are SILLY , ILLOGICAL AND PATHETIC !
    BUT just for the record…THERE ARE AT LEAST 5.5 BILLION NON-MUSLIMS ON THIS EARTH ! LOL LOL LOL .
    "And there are loads of NON-MUSLIMS who are not (YET !) involved , not interested, not have much time to be part of scene."
    But THAT CAN CHANGE very QUICKLY !! LOL…AGAIN !! ;-)

  205. YOU STILL (of course, lol) DON'T GET IT!
    WE have no need for propaganda to defeat YOUR EVIL AND BACKWARD CULT ISLAM .
    We only use …THE TRUTH.
    BY TELLING THE TRUTH YOUR DARK DEVLISH CULT WILL CRUMBLE !!
    And..Since you are OPEN, answer my two questions
    1) what means surah 2:1 (and many others) ALIF,LAM,MEEM/
    2) Why is the pre-islamic PAGAN IDOL, the BLACK STONE in your KAABA ? Why do you muslimsprostrate to it (5 times a day!! lol) and kiss it?
    ÓNE SINGLE,CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER…PLEASE !!
    And a NO SILLY DIVERSIONS..THAT WILL NOT WORK ,LOL,and again LOL ! ;-)

  206. OH CHOSEN ONE , OH EMPTY HEAD ..er { } …YOUR SOMEWHAT MORE INTELLIGENT MUSLIM BROTHERS WILL FEEL VERY ASHAMED ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC BOASTING ! You bring disgrace over Islam and your "brothers" AND ALLAH ALSO don't like such a behaviour ! SO LOOK OUT, these brainwshed muslims can be very violent !
    IH ,YES,O almost forgot….LOL !!!

  207. YES : IT IS !!!
    KILLING AND THREATENING OTHER PEOPLE …IS NOT !!
    Now " KICK MY A$$ " by answering my two ( for the time being) questions:
    1) what means ALIF, LAM ,MEEM in surah 2:1.
    ONE SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER PLEASE !!
    2) WHY is the pre-islamic PAGAN IDOL IN YOUR KAABA, and why do you MUSLIMS bow down to it and kiss it ??
    AGAIN…ONE SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER PLEASE !!
    I'M SURE YOU CAN'T ANSWER ,NEITHER YOUR IMAM !!s
    You only come with silly diversions and ad hominem …IT WILL NOT WORK !! LOL (as you like to say !!)…yeah ,right…LOL !!

  208. Thank you for your compliment, DEMSCI .
    I HATE LIES AND LIARS !! AND I HATE VIOLENCE AND STUPIDITY !!
    ISLAM is LOADED with it ! That should be clear to everybody by now !
    THAT'S why I fight against it !! USING ONLY THE….TRUTH !!
    ISLAM CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH…it is as simple as that.
    Just look at the pathetic ractions of the muslim "SCHOLARS"( hahaha) like AMINRIADH . He is clearly desperate and comes now withe wailing about "bad manners", "swearing"and all other kinds of diversions ! BUT HE NEVER ANSWERS SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM AND HIS EVIL QURAN (ALIF,LAM,MEEM…THE BLACK STONE IDOL etc.)
    It would be really funny if it were not such a serious item !!
    Keep doing the same, Demsci. Have a good life IN FREEDOM !!!!!

  209. you're not being serious, so why should I be? Besides…everyone knows that William Shatner Changed The World. LOL
    Seriously, mention capt. Kirk pretty much anywhere in the world, see who recognizes him. Including Jakarta, Uganda.

    For the record, I'm Canadian.

    You're a high-ranking person? Hiding behind an Anonymous Coward profile?? That's the best joke I've heard all day and elevates you to the same level as Zakir naik!! LOL

  210. Isn't this delusional disorder ! A part of ego defensive stress management ?

  211. I am worried about your regional intelligence !!!

    William Shatner, this canadian is being loved in Jakarta , Uganda !!! hah hah

    Sorry to disturb you stupid we are high ranking personnels deal with universal affairs !

  212. Why didn't you answer ? Which fallacy is this? I dunno, I need a simple answer !

  213. I m having hard time to know how to communicate with low profiles. Wackos are comfortable with sort of style of language. There can't be any insult made who don't hold a respect. Get educate yourself with style of languages and manage your stress. [Show my IP . I will change my remote IP. no worries !]

  214. Most stupid strategy of some people from west against Islam is that they presume fighting Islam as fighting communism.

    Propaganda ! Defaming ! Come on we are open lol

  215. OK try banning me. lol

    Condition to be fulfilled

    1. State me the reason for banning me (argue and win)
    2. State me why don't you ban some one who called me bastard n times.
    3. State me why don't you ban yourself openly lumping and insulting Muslims

    Hurdles banning me

    1. I hold morally high position considering you and your fellas
    2. I use remote IPs , proxies, virtual private networks, random geolocations.
    3. My userID have zero characters making pain for you to ban it

    effective method

    Simple say You don't want me on your blog . I will quit !

  216. Yes, you are right, impressive numbers indeed do follow and love Islam. We are very well aware of that, and even if we considered for instance Scientology as worse than Islam, then still their relative small numbers would not warrant vigilant defense against them as Islam seems to warrant.

    But the battle you refer to, is mostly defensive and is intended by Democratic Citizens to be only and entirely verbal, using freedom of speech.

    Many of you Muslims pretend opponents of Islam are haters and haters only. But what counter-jihadists do is Criticizing, Exposing, Protesting against and Accountable Holding. It is normal and very useful among people, because it helps some people and mankind as a whole to become better and progress.

    But among those who love Islam, many are also waging war, some violent, many verbal, against the West, in particular America. This is in the news, and it is shown clearly by organisations like MEMRI-TV.

    And when many Muslims do that, you should consider that Westerners, and Indians too, can and will be biting back!

    A 1000 times perhaps as much as would be the case if the majority of Muslims ceased their own verbal and often violent war against the West.

    And in a democracy the people are notoriously divided, but in time, more and more Westerners, and Indians, respond to this Islamic war against the West. Ever more informed, ever more eloquent.

    Muslims by and large better make peace with the West and the Hindus. The birthrates among Muslims are falling and cannot by themselves bring any decisive victory anymore.

    And when the Muslims cannot win in this century, they can choose to fight a long verbal war or compromise and fit in with Democracy. Under which system they will be treated completely equal and fair. But it is well known that under the Islamic system, in Islamic lands, with no freedom of speech, Muslims are treated much preferably above people of other faiths, ways of life, who in many ways are oppressed and treated unfair by them.

  217. Ah! :D
    Good points!! So damn simple I didn't see them, but it is impossible to see the obvious under one's own nose sans mirror. LOL
    I've your two sistes hooked up on my one blog and when I finally get my wordpress one done right, I'll be linking them there.
    …and I have another using the Google+ Recommend button on other sites also that are relevant to yours also.
    All fair, and no spamming–I hunt spammers as a Mod on an Adult forum and I loathe spammers–and they're REALLY getting smart!!
    Natural Selection in C-space. ;)

  218. You Taufiq Elahi are a deluded cultist who has sold out his birthright of independent thought for a hyper-conformalistic cult-imposed mindset. ALL you are able to do is spit out rhetoric and insults, you could be replaced by a computer, your bahioural pattern and conversational flexibility is so limited.
    You've had your mind enslaved, and you not only do not fight it, you defend it, viciously.
    Are you Licensed? Do YOU have any Medical or Pre-Medical background?
    No.
    Mr. Sina presents his point, discusses them and operates in very Human fashion with free will and independence of Intellect intact–unlike your crippled lock-cycle performance, and your behaviour is Textbook cult-follower by the way.
    Consider that….

  219. I suspect Anonymous Coward has been drinking so much quran-aid that his brain is pickled in it's self-reinforcing behavioural matrix…his arguments are pretty circular/cyclical after all.

  220. Heh…
    THAT would be a fun thing to watch, those two hotheads trying to stay in control of their tempers and patience long enough to hash things out linguistically. LOL
    Hmmmm….
    Maybe a new Fall Comedy from FOX!!! LOL :D

  221. Thank-You Mr. Sina. :D
    I dunno what he said, and I have a feeling I should be glad for that.

  222. Ooooookay…..
    So, you claim that by refusing your cult, and denouncing your prophet, and making a remark about a fictional pseudo-religious '7 Hells' I need psych-help? Is that what you're saying??
    Then why can muslims threaten us with Hell and such and be considered sane? Btw, the 7 Hells is from Pagan, and others, theologies, an OLD concept.

    I'm calling you out.
    Explain your points and course of conversation, otherwise be quiet about recommending/offering psychiatric help.
    You plainly aren't Licensed as you hide behind an Anonymous Profile.

  223. Thank you Marlene. You have your own blog. For those who don\’t, a good way to promote this site is to use it as their when they subscribe to a forum or want to comment to an article in other blogs. This will make my sites more popular with Google and the ranking improves.

  224. What I would like to know is how Hitler and Muhammad communicate. Is Muhammad learning German or is Hitler learning Arabic?

  225. Yes I will make an announcement with it is out. Thank you.

  226. And does any of these prove that he was a prophet of God and a good person? These are all logical fallacies – argumentum ad populum, argumentum and numerum and the influence Muhammad had in the world was extremely negative.

  227. I am not banning you because you were not warned. But will ban you if you insult others. This place is simply not for that kind of people.

  228. This time I removed your insult. Next time I will block your IP. Just say what you want to say and do not insult others. And please create a username or I will show your IP as your username.

  229. \”I will see you in hell fire inshaAllah\”

    Well you may be waiting an eternity in hellfire but you won\’t see me there. You will find your beloved prophet there. Say hi to him on my behalf. After all he is my ancestor.

  230. No I am not that man who made the movie. He is now in Jail for the violation of his parole. He spend two years in jail for writing a bad check and other frauds. I have been here all that time writing. And I am writing now while he is in detention. So I cannot be him. Also I believe I have more sense than him. I did not see any grace in that movie he made.

    I fight Islam for a living. It does not generate money but it is my full time job. I have some incomes from which I maintain myself. With the drop of the real estate that is also disappearing. So soon I may have to start job hunting. Or maybe my movie will make me rich. ;)

  231. William Shatner.
    There's many people far more Loved,respected, influential and famous that muhammed.
    Caesar for example. Cleopatra. Michael Jackson.
    In his day, back in the 7th century, muhammed had his day.
    These days, there's many more people far more loved, respected, influential and famous than muhammed.
    Jesus Christ as one more example.
    Mother Theresa.

  232. What do you for your living Mr. Sina? It could be so nice if you would tell the people. Lot of people think that your are that man who made the movie.

  233. I have seen on my own eyes one of my nonmuslim colleague was donating your website. But I showed him your real face and being a very smart man, he told me will make sure few more people who donate to your site will stop.
    How can you prove some body had Acromegally after 1400 years?
    The people follw you, they are loosers. They have to blame some body and get pleasure by doing that. But I told you that one day you will parish but Prophet SWA and Islam will stand tall until the eternity. Last Friday I saw in the mosque three white Americans said Shahada. InshaAllah next century will be the century of Islam. The way people are coming to accept Islam, they will show you guys real face to the world. Asta Labista

  234. Mr. Sina you are a pathological liar. You have psychiatric disease. You really don't know anything about medicine. Because you cannot be a physician with your poor psyche. I will see you in hell fire inshaAllah perhaps you change. You say in that day I wish I could be forgotten or could be like dust.

  235. Stop petty insults Egghead! Did you give answer to my questions based on facts rather asserting?

    Who is the Most loved person in history of man kind?
    Who is the Most respected person in history of man kind?
    Who is the Most influential person in history of man kind?
    Which is the Most famous name in history of man kind ?

    I am waiting for answer ! This answer is mandatory for your next treatment.

  236. Either he was trying to give me an order, not his place.
    Or, he announced he was departing for another discussion.
    That said, Anonymous Coward, either fill out a profile, or back down–you'll get yourself shredded if you keep buzzing around here half-assedly.

  237. yes, muhammed was…
    His name is spoken along with the names of Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il.
    The truth about muhammed is coming out, and spreading, and that's all there is to it.
    He was a criminal, a delusionary and inpotent old man who engaged in pedophilia, slave-taking, and brutality against innocents and betrayed allies.
    If anything, muhammed is very nearly the christian anti-christ.

  238. Read you comments ! You are hallucinating with unrealistic thoughts ! This is not an attack , this is a psychoanalytical help you real need at moment !

  239. Once again the Anonymous Coward tries a lame attempt at an attack. Do better, try harder, or give up and stop wasting your time.

  240. Calling cretin ,bastard to a fellow opponent is FREE SPEECH. hah aha

    FREE SPEECH also lead to get your ass kicked.lol

  241. And there are loads of Muslims who are not involved , not interested, not have much time to be part of scene.

    You know the fact that number of people who hate Islam are in fraction compared to the people who love Islam. Let this should not give you more pain.

    There are plenty of ways to treat troll like Julia but ignoring a denial delusional figure is the best one can attempt.

    Good luck Demsci if you really like battle with us , we are in quite impressive numbers and you lack support of your own loved ones considering your wacko desires !

  242. This delusional disorder gives many hallucinations like you are experiencing ! ha ha aha

  243. Its very natural proven fact that when you are successful you get haters !!! CARRY ON lol

    Are haters going to deny these facts ? HOW ?!!!!!!!!

    Success : Most loved person in history of man kind
    Most respected person in history of man kind
    Most influential person in history of man kind
    Most famous name in history of man kind
    More…

  244. Julia, I am glad you are on Alisina.org. Of course we may be much different from each other in a lot of opinions and in our styles. But I think that in the important issues we are on the same side.

    I don't like to be disrespectful or abusive to anyone at all, but above you explained to Aminriadh that it is not him personally but his Islamic part that you abuse and ridicule. And you give your good reasons, from Islamic doctrine, for that too. I like it a lot that you explained this.

    And I am glad you are here because I saw Aminriadh and Ali and other Muslims, well,

    giving really strong opposition to Ali Sina, which caused me pain. I tried to help Ali Sina but I feel that I am only a fallible human being. Who should be part of a team, and like soccer-players always say; I am not important, it is only important whether the team wins.

    I think you are a fierce young women with a mission and lot of passion for it. and also that you have a deep knowledge of Islam. And a lot of times you surprise me with that and with your very apposate, appropriate ripostes, answers, to insults and reproaches and arguments against you. And you tireless, and you never get intimidated or give up it seems. So my compliments to you.

  245. Well, if were all exactly alike in all ways, that'd be one really dull world, right? :)
    You're quite welcome and I do appreciate being allies with you and Julia also. I agree with all you said, to paraphrase; 'different-but-united'…which works, because look at all the different-but-united parts in a clock, engine, etc. to use a metaphor.

    Like you, and I agree, one should know what one is For, and it is more important than what one is against. Also, many men I have the privilege of being friends with are full supporters of female equality–but, to be sure, I myself have NO love for 'feminazis' they give Feminism and women in general a bad name, and I have really nasty issues with how they slander men.

    I must make the differentiation because of how I was raised, to be fair-minded, and from person experiences. Some of the most devout Muslims here were all for the City making a law Banning shariah completely, and pointed out WHY it had to be a Comprehensive ban to keep it from 'sticking it's nose in' later on.
    I DO like the wife's take on her burqa, though!! First, she's painfully shy, so she ses it as something that allows her to go out and not feel shyness digging into her. Also, she never really acclimatized to the weather here, and it keeps her warm–seriously a 30C day with a slight draft, and I've seen her get so cold-feeling her teeth chatter. Her husband just accepts it, although he does wish she'll eventually give it up–everyone's different.
    The way they got their daughter, a friend of mine to wear that headscarf was they pointed out that it's proper to Islam, that they can also be accessories to one's wardrobe, and that it saves her hair from the ravages of airborn pollutants and sun.
    She conceded by wearing it when outside, but indoors anywhere, she typically removes it–depending on her mood. They're devout, but adaptable.
    islam is a multi-headed beast alright, and sorting it all out isn't easy, I do know the wahhbists are the most hardcore fundamentalists, and that somali muslims are just horrifically vicious–from the news, and personal experience. I'm still sorting it all out though myself.

    So, while I do overall agree near-completely with Mr. Sina, I do have to pay respect of fair-mindedness to those who manage to escape the vileness of islam. There are islamists here that are unrelentingly vicious, and they are the majority. I'll cover that in a dedicated posting later.

    I'm also on-board with Mr. Spender, Ms. Geller, and the others like yourself. I stand for our culture, our civilization, way of life, our rights and freedoms, and our lives. I know what islamists are capable of regarding murder.

    Thank-You for reaching out to me, I do appreciate it, and the like-minded company!! :D

  246. Thanks for the reply Amin-Riadh.

    But I point out that I replied to Taufiq Elahi, and you replied to me. I was on topic with Taufiq Elahi. And if you start saying again that I do not respond to what you say, I say I do not need to reply to all you say, but I shall reply to parts.

    What I say about the use of scientific and logical reasoning which is aimed first and foremost at finding the highest truth and as much truth we can find, is very basic to me. Instead of having an opinion beforehand and only really reasoning, using science to confirm that. But can a Muslim really do that, when it comes to questions about the accuracy of the Islamic tradition?

    And when historians and Muslims both come up theories to explain what happened in the past, it seems to me that it is the scientists who are the less biased, who intend to keep adapting to the facts they discover and improve their theories accordingly. But established doctrine from the past, which started with "revelation" and went on through "belief" primarily is for me no match to historian science. This is what I mean talking better and less good theories of history, when people have to choose between contradicting histories they hear from different people; historians, clerics, all sorts of books, articles, persons.

    In response to your frequent responses of "empty conjecture", lack of material, reference, meaningless opinion and such:

    I feel that I can refer to the books of Robert Spencer and Tom Holland without providing what they already provided with evidence and sources. I feel free to express my opinion about the history of Islam without all manner of proof and logic.

    What I talk about is ideas, and people can take them or leave them, when they take them they can ask clarification, or investigate on their own, and answer with counter-arguments.

    Yes, Tom Holland and Robert Spencer are very different, but Holland also got threats from Muslims, because of his contradictions against Islamic tradition, it was reported.

    I notice that Muslims of course do rely for their religious beliefs and practices on Hadiths and Sira, except the Quran-Only-Muslims. Their reason many suspect is that in the Hadiths and Sira is so much found that gives Islam and Mohammed a bad reputation. Which is used ever more widespread against Islam. And if Spencer and Holland are right much of this criticism on Islam would also be invalid. But of course, the whole religion would lose it's foundation for people who believe Spencer and Holland.

  247. Ah. :)
    Can you send/post a link regarding purchasing your books online?

    I'd like to start promoting it here on my blog. My other, related, blog I'm still getting the 'knack' of laying it out right.
    http://islamismresistance.blogspot.ca/

    my other blog, which isn't quite 'ready' yet by my standards.
    http://antiislamificationresist.wordpress.com/

  248. Prove it–he's laid out an ocean of proof and evidence that islam is just plain vile.
    So, you make an accusation like that, you're now called to account on it.
    islam is the lie. muhammed was the liar, con-man, cult leader who duped an uncountable number of people to walk into battle, unarmored, to kill for him to expand his greed for conquest and power.
    muhammed was Hitler Ver. 1.0.

  249. If the 7 Hells exist, that's where one would find muhammed, Hitler, et-al…wandering lost and utterly alone for eternity, in darkness, with nothing to drink, ever, but molten salt taken from rivers and streams of such…dipped from with one's hands.
    If such a place exists, I hope they're enjoying themselves.

  250. Thanks a lot Marlene, that means a lot to me. I have been reading your comments, and although we come from different backgrounds and use different styles, I am very glad to be allies with you. And with Julia. You are both very fierce fighters on the side of democracy and human rights!

    And I think it is best to try to ally with those that are at least partially like-minded on important issues, and that we don't have to be of the same opinion of many other details.

    Although I am a man, I very much support full women rights.

    For me it is more important to know what I am for than to know about what I am against, that only comes second. And I like to help Ali Sina and Robert Spencer etcetera because of their fight to defend democratic laws and values and human rights. Only on that context I speak out against Islam.

    And I agree with you about the distinction you make between Islamists and ordinary Muslims, as does Daniel Pipes. Although I know Ali Sina and many commenter disagree. But it seems to me that the Islamic texts and the Islamic theological schools are definitely 7th century and democratic laws and values, from 18th century onwards, oppose them and are better than them in some important aspects. But the Muslims seem to have many different interpretations of these holy texts and theological schools. So I won't paint them all with the same brush anymore.

  251. Hopefully my efforts at promoting this site will help. I have this one and faithfreedom linked on my blog, and will link them into the other, and a third. I'm looking at places I can promote visibility of this and faithfreedom without spamming.

  252. Proxy troll…how cute!

    Said by someone hiding behind anonymity. Like a scared infant. This place id too Adult for you, stay out of the way lest you get hurt by an errant comment.
    This is no place for cowards.

  253. repetitive….you're a fine one to talk. Read back through your replies to me and see what repetitive is.
    Unless your precious cult-mind won't let you see things as the facts they are?

  254. Yes AMINRIADH…
    What are you so afraid of regarding the answering of that question?
    Does it reveal yet another shameful truth about the abominable prophet?
    Haven't dreamt up a suitable 'interpretation' of something unpleasant about islam?

    So, what is the answer?? Why won't you give it?

  255. Julia, like other islamists, he is a coward. They can never do more than make empty claims about the lie that is islam, spout off the usual rhtoric such as 'submit to the only true religion', and when all else fails they fire off a chaff-screen of insults and run for the prophets skirts.
    I do enjoy reading your points though! :)

  256. I'm here for the info, and you seem to be here simply to fire on the detractors of islam.
    So…by definition, who's the troll?
    As for my involvement in the comments section, part and parcel of promoting this site is to try to open the eyes and minds of folks like you…it's as good a place to start as any. And promoting the site is easy, taking not much time or effort whatsoever.
    As for verbal abuse, if someone opens fire on me, I will defend myself, make no mistake amigo. There are folks here who have perspectives I agree with and choose to lend back-up to. My choice, Julia as example, and denialisnoproof.
    You on the the other hand…so quiet in general, but the occasional shot. You're a forum-sniper, I've seen your kind before.
    You're here either because you enhoy sniping at people, or you're here to hold-the-line against those of us who see islam for the mental disease/cult that it is.

  257. Uhm…denialisnoproof…
    May I ask who you're firing on?

    I'm presuming it's Taufiq Elahi, yes??

    Never mind, got it figured out. :D

  258. You're quite welcome Julia!! I won't stop, believe that. islam is the worst bloody thing Humanity has ever had come along, and it's misogyny is famous. Also, more and more Western men are standing against islam because of how islam leeringly drools at the prospect of leashing and taming us Western girls.
    I wish you the same for your life and loved ones as you did me!! (HUG)

    "Forward into the fires and once more we shall stop up the breach with our English dead."
    I know it's not 100% accurate, dunno who it's from, but it sums my sentiments nicely. :)

  259. Well that is the thesis of my book. Islam is a cult.

  260. Hence why I call islam a cult–it operates in all ways and manners as such.
    I've also noticed that it bears more than a few disturbing similarities to a criminal organization, like The Mob, as an example.

  261. Insults? Observations of his behaviour, as he demonstrated such. He's the one who engaged me first, and started this battle, and when he ran out of insults–having made/ presented NO valid or properly spoken-out points, he fled like a cowardly child who discovers he's taken on more than he can handle.
    Next time, think before you speak and make a fool of yourself in public, you do more damage to yourself than I ever could or would intend to you.

  262. " As for swearing . . . what is your excuse? We are NOT talking about anyone else but ourselves."
    IT IS YOU ( the person you see in the mirror) WHO BELIEVES IN EVERY LETTER (alif, lam…;-) ), WORD AND SENTENCE OF YOUR QURAN.
    SO YOU (!) BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT WE "infidels"are KAFIRUN (big insult), FUEL FOR HELL (biggest possible insult), SWINES, MONKEYS,and VILEST OF ALL ANIMALS ! YOU MUST TREAT US HARSHLY, YOU CAN NOT BEFRIEND US AND YOU MUST FIGHT AGAINST US , HUMILIATE US AND KILL US !! THÁT IS VERY BAD BEHAVIOUR….DON'T YOU THINK…YOU HYPOCRITE .
    I am against this violent and evil behaviour which is inherent to Islam.
    AND IF I CALL YOU BECAUSE OF THAT BEING EVIL , A BASTARD , A CRETIN ETC.ETC. THEN I ONLY EXPRESS MY ABHORRENCE OF ISLAM AS LOUD AND CLEARLY AS I CAN !! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT !
    THAT IS FREE SPEECH AND HAVE TO AND WILL GET USED TO IT !!!

  263. Ah yes…the cry of the wild islamist and truth denier.
    Pull off the blinders and do your own cheking, vett the information here, compare and contrast it to your precious religious texts.
    Or are you so afraid of the truth, of finding out that islam has been lying to you and wasting your life's precious time that you cannot stand to look beyond your hide-bound perspectives?
    Do you not question? Do you not want to KNOW?? Or do you simply prefer the comfort of being able to shut off your intellect and ability for critical thinking and laze in the waters of ignorace until they drown you?
    muhammed, the abomination, the murderer and rapist of children and all who had the misfortune to come under his eye–how can you defend such an atrocity as he was, when the facts of him are in your own religious texts and such??
    To each their own, and I will leave you to enjoy your willful ignorance, but ask yourself this?
    Would finding out be really so terrible? If Mr. Sina is right, then wouldn't it be better to know and then be able to spend your life as you wish pursuing better ideals??
    If islam cannot stand to be examined, then it cannot stand. That is true of all things be they from Man or god.

  264. If you win you will get that money. But this is like saying if you can prove 2+2=3 you will win. You can\’t prove that unless you resort to logical fallacies.

  265. I concede your point, obviously, as I think there's sufficient evidence in my other posts to support that.
    But I had to remain fair-minded to those Muslims I know personally, who despote being Reformists (and one couple who are Devout Muslims) have NO use for the violence or monstrousness that the prophet commands. For example, here in our small city, on the vote to Ban shariah and/or any other religion-derived law, they all voted to Ban it, and were quite vocal in why it needed to be banned comprehensively.
    So, that small bit of fair-mindedness was a minor personal thing, and I do agree that even the most radical jihadis can be made allies–I am aware of a few, now Apostate, who have been speaking very loudly against islam.
    PolCorr, is the worst mental virus there is…Facism on the Intellectual Level, and it's even been seen suppressing valuable scientific research also.
    PolCorr & islam–a match forged in the lowest of the 7 Hells.
    Regarding Truth of islam, I am still learning, which is why I am here and also following faithfreedom.org, I know a little, and need to know more to fight islam the best I can. My Grandparents fought the nazis in WW2, English, and my Grandmother was part of the Resistance in France, sent by the British gov't. She was quite active and direct in ensuring many nazis didn't see war's end personally–not some coffeegirl, ;)
    So, in this Century, I guess it's MY turn to stand against those who'd enslave us.
    I will, too, until the bitter end.
    I watch the worls, it's part of my job, actually, as our city braces for the coming storm. I and 4 others are the Eyes, and spend many hrs a day following PolCorr and islam activity. I have seem, myself, that islam can be described as a combination of a virus, like rabies and a drug, like crack or crystal meth. It will be tough to beat, but nothing is invulnerable. It has a self-reinforcing pattern/matrix/structure psychologically, and that combined with the 'super-matrix' of social behaviour imposed by it, well…many Apostates end up with their own immediate family members trying to kill them. That is some fearsome behavioural programming. The same thing also sees Mothers trying to, and oft succeeding, in honor-killing their own children–that it can override and suppress Maternal Instinct is evidence alone in my eyes it needs to be eliminated from the world.
    Thank-You for contacting me, and I am enjoying the information here, it's a treasure-trove and answers many questions I hadn't even thought to ask yet!! :D
    ~Marlene~.

  266. That is why they have had the hump for these past few weeks . . . and he claims he has got $50K to give out.

    Which he once – inadvertently – reveal was nothing more than rhetoric.

  267. Or read Sina's book . . . which he hasn't push for a while now – to find out who the real lair is. The above article is a good example of a lie.

  268. Considering there is NO possibility of ever giving any evidence an ready made excuse . . . Sina know its safe to claim this.

    The sad thing is the number of forgeries he as put out . . . one such is the Shakila Khan blog.

    A woman who has lived in an undisclosed Arabic country – yet cannot speak a shred of Arabic.

  269. "What you don\'t see is that more people are leaving Islam than those entering it. "

    You would say that . . . without a single shred of evidence.

    - – -

    "Those who are leaving it are doing it silently for obvious reasons"

    Yet Internet takes those obvious reasons away. This is simply an excuse.

    - – -

    "Also those who leave Islam are the intellectuals and thinker and those who convert to Islam are the simple minded"

    Again – something you WOULD claim. It is the oldest thing in the world – decrying the opposition as stupid.

    Pull the other one.

    - – -

    "They embrace Islam with the same motivation that the youths in Germany embraced Nazism. Many of them leave Islam when they come to the age of maturity. "

    Again there are not may examples . . . the most famous I can think of is Snipes.

  270. And have you considered that your leader Muhammad might be the liar and cheater and you may go to hell for following him? I think you should find this before you die because then it will be too late.

  271. \”We don\’t give ALI SINA any money ! THAT\’S A BIG LIE \”

    And that is very unfortunate because the cost of maintaining these sites are entirely on my shoulder.

  272. What you don\’t see is that more people are leaving Islam than those entering it. Those who are leaving it are doing it silently for obvious reasons and those who enter it are announced and trumpeted by Muslims. Also those who leave Islam are the intellectuals and thinker and those who convert to Islam are the simple minded impressionable youths who have no values and identity and Islam gives them an identity. They embrace Islam with the same motivation that the youths in Germany embraced Nazism. Many of them leave Islam when they come to the age of maturity.

  273. People have repeatedly asked you NOT to use capitals – you lack the decency even to do that.

    As for swearing . . . what is your excuse? We are NOT talking about anyone else but ourselves. You and me – we do not have power on anyone else but our self. . . hence why not answer just for yourself.

    How can you claim to be against bad behavior – which you practice?

  274. Why don't you stay in the ivory tower. . .

    - – -

    "It takes the courage to tell the truth. "

    What truth? The lies in your book? In your articles? In your comments?

    The ones that you are not able to defend?

    Why is it they all fall over – with the gentlest of pushes?

  275. \”muslims who rape, kill, burn, loot and use the religion as a blanket license to indulge the dark side of their natures and appease their consciences with \’allah/muhammed said it\’s OK\’ I have nothing but contempt for.\”

    Welcome to the forum.

    The problem is that Muslims commit all those atrocities to the extent that they follow their prophet. It is the religion that demotes good normal humans into beasts and monsters. We must know who is the enemy. the world refuses to see that because it is not politically correct. But we will never win if we don\’t know against what we are fighting. The enemy is not any people. It is an ideology that makes people do evil things. Stop killing the terrorists. Let us rescue them by telling them the truth. Yes we can convert even the terrorists into allies. I have done this and it did not take a miracle. It takes the courage to tell the truth.

  276. NO ..AMINRIADH ,IT IS YOU MUSLIMS WHO ARE SWEARING AT AND HATING …ALL !!…NON-MUSLIMS FOR 1400 years. YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL !! WE ARE FED UP WITH THIS NONSENSE , and you should be also !!!!!!
    IT IS YOU WHO BELIEVES IN EVERY WORD OF YOUR QURAN !
    AND THERE ALLAH SAYS THE WE ARE KAFIR (which is clearly meant as a big insult) and he calls us HIS ENNEMIES (and conseqently we are your ennemies too), INFIDELS, MONKEYS, SWINES, FUEL FOR HIS HELL ETC. ALLAH CURSES US OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO HELL !!! (and you consequently do the same WHEN YOU ARE PIOUSLY "PRAYING") . YOU MUST FIGHT AND KILL US , DON'T BEFRIEND US BUT TREAT US HARSHLY END OF IT !!!
    I YOU DROP THÁT ATTITUDE AND BECOME A DECENT HUMAN BEING (without hate in his heart for other people…not EVEN TOWARDS THE JEWS) …YEAH,THÁT WOULD BE FINE…INDEED !!!
    To you want me to give you the surahverses about the hateful verses in your Quran?
    I think, no I KNOW, that there is no need for that.
    AGAIN…. WE DON'T HATE THE HUMAN BEING YOU CAN BECOME (if you want to) …WE ONLY HATE THE EVIL MUSLIM IN YOU !!

  277. "WHAT ABOUT THE BEHAVIOUR OF
    YOU"

    What about it? It is you who been swearing at me. End of. It is quite simple – if you drop the attitude . . . fine. If not. Well there you go. . . .

  278. HELLO AMINRIADH !
    WHAT ABOUT THE BEHAVIOUR OF
    YOU ,ALI AND { } …OH AND ALLAH OF COURSE ???
    TROLL,TROLL, TROLL…..TROLL, STUPID, TRANNY, DUNGSNIFFER, DIKSLURPER,…….SWINE, MONKEY, KAFIR, FUEL FOR HELL ….YOU KNOW IT ALL, SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT .
    YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE …AND THAT IS THE PROVEN TRUTH AND A FACT NOW (and no bad names calling).
    OH…WHAT ABOUT THE ALIF,LAM,MEEM-QUESTION ???? ;-) ;-)

  279. @ DENIALISNOPROF.
    The three points … mean that Amihriadh knows no answer to my qestion about ALIF,LAM,MEEM… I guess ;-)

  280. "Come to the right freedom submission.
    HUH ??? would yourmuslimbrother Aminriadh say now)"
    FREEDOM SUBMISSION ….HOLY CRAP !!!

  281. Dearest. . . when you drop the troll attitude . . . we can talk all you like . . . it is a simple request after all. Now keep it up!

  282. OF COURSE WE DON'T EXPECT (this is what you meant to say) ANYTHING MORE FROM YOU ! YOU ARE (according to yourself) AN EMPTY HEAD…er set { } ).
    ABOUT HATERS : Read in your evil book the Quran , how many times your evil IDOL Allah sends HIS OWN CREATIONS (the disbelievers)TO HIS HELL TO BURN FOREVER ! NOW THÁT IS HATING !! AFTER FIRST BLINDING THESE POOR ,(INNOCENT !!) CREATURES !
    SO…YOUR FAKE GOD IS UNJUST AND VERY,VERY HATEFUL !!

    CREATURES . THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT .

  283. Hi, Aminriadh !!
    You answered about Mohammed being a child rapist :
    " Why else would you INVENT such a pathetic story!? "
    There are many SAHIH HADITHS ,you know,which say implicitely just thát.
    SAHIH BUKHARI vol.8,book73,nr.151 : " Narrated 'Aisha ( SIC !!) :
    I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)"
    The same story you can find in:
    SAHIH BUKHARI vol.5, book58,nr.234.
    SAHIH MUSLIM book8,nr.3309 , book8,nr.3310 ,book8,nr.3311
    SAHIH SUNANDAWUD book 41, nr.4915, book41,nr.4916 book41,nr.4917.

  284. I have never been a troll dearest . . . why don't you drop the attitude?

    The only reason you adopt it – is to er . . . hide the level your knowledge and intelligence. Else – there would be no need. Would there be?

  285. I AM SURE YOU WANT ,BEING A REAL "PEACEFUL" MUSLIM, RUN TO ME….BECAUSE YOU WANT TO AND MUST KILL ME ..WHAT ELSE !!
    BUT THEN OF COURSE YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO AVOID ANSWERING MY QUESTION !! AND THÁT,AGAIN,
    MEANS…YOU ARE RUNNING ! AND THÁT,AGAIN, MEANS THAT YOU ARE A COWARD !!!
    THE QUESTION IS CLEAR ENOUGH (SIGH !):
    WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE STRANGE LETTERS IN SURAH 2:1 (and more like this) ALIF,LAM,NEEM ???
    ONE SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER, PLEASE….AMINRIADH !!!

  286. TROLL,TROLL,TROLL !!!
    SWEARING always USING THE SAME WORD IS ALSO SWEARING AND NAME CALLING !!
    The kettle and the pot …you know the expression…don't you AMINRIADH !!
    OH…are you still thinking about how to answer the "ALIF,LAM,MEEM"-QUESTION?? COME ON YOU "SCHOLAR" , the QURAN is easy to understand and explained in DETAIL….YOU MUST KNOW THAT !!!

  287. If Hinduism was up for trial according to your behaviour – how do you think it will fare? I mean – isn't this Hinduism . . . people like you and nothing more?

  288. proxy troll is your fake eternal pimp of perpetual virgins allah go suck your mothers puss
    dirty islamic b@stard

  289. wassup muslim what does the … mean . did you run out of your dirty islamic ideology?
    today we fukced pakistan in the cricket match. islamic pakistani team lost to hindu india

  290. Proxy troll lol

  291. Thanks Marlene !
    Keep on fighting the womenoppressing and women hating cult of Islam.
    We women must not let these evil muslims fool us. Women emancipation must quickly grow all over the muslimcountries !!
    Have a long, good and most of all FREE life !! You are your own boss and nobodies possession or slave !!

  292. YOU ARE TRYING TO RUN AMINRIADH, THAT'S CLEAR TO ALL READERS! DON'T BE A COWARD BUT ANSWER THE QUESTION :
    WHAT DO THE LETTERS ALIF,LAM MEEN IN SURAH 2:1 MEAN?? THEY MUST MEAN SOMETHING IR IS YOUR ALLAH BABBLING NONSENSE ??
    NO EXCUSES OR CHILDISH DIVERSIONS !
    ONE, CLEAR LOGICAL ANSWER…THAT CAN NOT BE TOO DIFFICULT FOR "THE BEST OF CREATION", "A CHOSEN ONE"…A ISLAM SCHOLAR LIKE YOU ARE …HMMHMM..HUH,HUH !!

  293. ah . . . more swearing?

    Doesn't this put back your "gay" credentials back a bit?

  294. You are foul mouthed – little coward . . . and I am calling you out on that . . . previously you gave an astoundingly stupid story and bullshit . . . that was so obviously made up . . . one wonders how old you are.

    You haven't got the guts – or the intelligence for anything more than your 2 lines of swears . . . have you?

  295. "There are now available the books of Robert Spencer and Tom Holland about the origines of Islam."

    I like the way you colluded the two. Both are very different propositions.

    - – -

    "Around 691 and after. "

    Yet there are references to Prophet Muhammad – recorded Much earlier than that. Where did your 691 come from?

    - – -

    "Scientific and deep thinking and investigating can lead to much unexpected conclusions, including the replacement of older explanations and accepted versions of history. And those who respect this kind of thinking and investigating must be prepared to go where the evidence and logic leads them, NOT to some foregone conclusion. "#

    You do this repeatedly Demsci – you always talk about such stuff – and it always about that . . . it doesn't go any further . . . always on the periphery and avoid actually talking about the topic.

    Anyone can come up with such spiels – they are bloody useless conjecture. And I distinctly remember you "condemning" my use of "logic". . . now it appears you have changed your tune.

    - – -

    "But still they will never admit anything about all those BAD reasons to believe in a story when there now is a much better explanation of the rise of Islam available, depending on evidence and reason and not on some sort of highly suspicious "revelation". "

    Where – what reasons? Why don't you talk about them . . . . rather than talking about there being reasons. . .

    - – - –

    "And old inaccurate theories should be rejected by those theories which better fit the now known facts. But Muslims must have OTHER motives than searching for the truth as best concluded from all the known facts. "

    What are these old inaccurate theories . . . why not talk about them with references and actual material . . . rather than empty conjecture?

    - – -

    I don't believe your claims to be a "Darwinist" – because what is a Darwinist? Which goes against – your idiotic promotion of likes of Robert Spencer . . . the 2 claims do not match.

  296. muslims are gandus they shouldn't talk about argument.

  297. "Don't RUN, AMINRIADH !!! "

    My dear, dear Julia – I am not running away from you! I want to RUN to you.

    - – -

    Point was for your fellow troll – however you prove it perfectly. You my dearest – simply have one agenda – that is to Insult – you do anyway – so get on with that. You lack sufficient, intelligence or capacity for anything remotely serious.

    Hence . . . . lets dance the time away with some of your swearing* . . .

    (*even if it is unoriginal and rather repetitive)

  298. You are a troll – hence you don't put an argument – just petty insults.

  299. Can't dish it out, and he can't take it either.
    So, he screams insults and denials like a petulant child and runs away to likely hide behind the skirts of his false prophet.

    Funny–he never said a word about the lives of juhadis being wasted by twisted imams and warped clerics.
    Then again, most people with an infantile mindset are totally self-obsessed so I can't say his lack of mentioning such is a shock.

  300. You don't know Prophet you don't know Islam you don't know Muslim !

    Selling crooked perspective have nothing to do with Truth !

    Thread SWITCH <–end–0>

  301. muhammad = abomination, no two ways about it. Just with what's recorded about him in islamic religious materials, he is shown to be a really twisted perversion of what a man should be, and a role-midel of what NOT to become.

    islam in it's current form = a hate-driven atocity-exhibition like nothing else in history. Too easily siezed and 'used' by power-crazy imams to whip up a bunch of jihadis and then throw them away like the way a machinegun does bullets, NO respect for their lives at all.
    I can respect no faith that treats life so cheaply and callously.

    Muslims that eschew violence and seek, like normal folks, to live without being harmed, or harming others I hold in respect.
    muslims who rape, kill, burn, loot and use the religion as a blanket license to indulge the dark side of their natures and appease their consciences with 'allah/muhammed said it's OK' I have nothing but contempt for.
    The so-called muslims who conscript and force children under 10 years old to fight as soldiers are flat-out guilty of serious war-crimes, and that is an indisputable Fact.

    Leave off the insults–they're not doing anything except forcing you to spend precious time typing useless drivel.

    islam might be still sprading, but soon it will be changing into something–better, safer, cleaner and non-violent. More and more people are getting sick of all the death and turmoil, and want peace…that is a very powerful desire, and the attractiveness of Illuminated Islam is powerful.

  302. No I am not fighting, defending I am doing a great job of listening to haters whenever I get time ! This is part of our success plan " Listen to haters" lol .And don't except anything more from me !

  303. Dumbo you didn't say who are you against Prophet? Islam ? or Muslim? OK if you are confused you can skip !

    Muslims are seeing wackos like you since beginning and Islam is still spreading Check Statistics !

  304. WE DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF YOU ,AMINRIADH !
    WE WANT ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS !!!
    YOU CAN BEGIN WITH THESE 2:
    1) PROVE THAT THERE EXISTS A GOD CALLED ALLAH !
    2) WHAT DOES QURAN 2:1 – ALI,LAM MEEM , MEAN.
    LIGICAL ANSWERS PLEASE …HUH,HUH !! ;-)

  305. YEP, HUH,HUH …I exposed your (together with ALI(en)) evil little plan !! AMINRIADH !
    IT WILL NOT WORK ! HAHAHAHA !!!
    Oh, those sweet, moist dreams" . . . HUH !?.".
    IT IS THE TRUTH.. YOU… !!!.AND ALL READERS KNOW THAT TOO !!

  306. Evil….persists, Julia. It always will. islam = evil, and it may be impossible to kill it, but it can be tamed and domesticated, neutered and made safe.

  307. Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus 1391:
    "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

    Osama bin Laden:
    “We should fully understand our religion. Fighting is a part of our religion and our Sharia [Islamic legal code]. Those who love God and his Prophet and this religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest sin in Islam."

    Ayatollah Khomeini:
    “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

    Bertrand Russel:
    “Bolshevism combines the characteristics of the French Revolution with those of the rise of Islam…. Marx has taught that Communism is fatally predestined to come about; this produces a state of mind not unlike that of the early successors of Mahommet…. Among religions, Bolshevism is to be reckoned with Mohammedanism, rather than with Christianity and Buddhism. Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation. Mohammedanism and Bolshevism are practical, social, unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of this world.”

  308. HUH,HUH , THERE IS INTERNET NOW !!
    DEATHTRHEATS AND KILLING WILL NOT DO ANYMORE !!! HAHAHAHAHA !!!!
    WE CALL THAT: PROGRESS !! Something that does not exist in ISLAM !
    YOU MUSLIMS KEEP ON STAYING IN THE 7th CENTURY !! LOL !

  309. Julia, just clicked that link!! LOL LUV it, and I have to agree with Churchill.
    TY for posting this link!! (HUG) :)

  310. That Julia…will be a very long wait for a train that just ain't coming, I'm afraid. They think that all the deaths, rapes, bloodshed and such are A-OK because 'allah said it's ok'.

    Well, if some wannabe jihadi tries assaulting me, again, next time they won't be getting off with just a slightly dislocated cervical vertebra or a crushed and ruptured testicles
    Those idiots were a warning to the rest here in town, and the next one that tries 'exercising his rights of sexual conquest under shariah' on me in defiance of my being married is going to be hurt VERY badly. If they're lucky, they'll only be dealing with me, Husband is far less forgiving and vastly more skilled and experienced.

  311. Really nice, concise, and informative!!
    TY for posting that little tidbit of history and such, much appreciated!! :D

  312. @ Aminriadh.
    Do You know the song: DIRTY OLD MAN ?
    IT IS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED !

  313. Either that, or he was not talking about the same pedophilic monster that built up the most bloddthirsty and insane cult in the world's history.
    Y'know, that muhammed idiot.
    Muhammed, the pinnacle of Man–hiding behind his bodyguards and wearing 2 coats of armor while sending off his own unarmoered troops to die for him and promising them that allah would protect them until it was 'their time' to die and then they'd be rewarded.

    He's have made a great used-car salesman, that muhammed.

  314. Yeah….
    NOT gonna happen.
    Y'see, allah was a Pagan deity originally, with wives, daughters, etc. He was typically invoked in times of distress and trouble for help.
    Then, The Abomination (muhammad) took that deity, mutilated it, and turned it into his very own 'pet monster' to scare his cultists with.
    So…muhammad created the islamic allah, and that means the islamic allah is less potent or threatening than Oscar The Grouch from Sesame St.
    allah is NOT the 'one true' god' and never said a thing to muhammed–although the old pervert is reputed to have heard voices and on more than one occasion tried to kill himself.
    Hellfire, again, not so much. Whatever the gods and goddesses think, I suspect they judge us, if they exist, by how we live our lives overall, and how many people and other forms of life we harm out of malice.
    You may believe as you will–but in the end, islam is nothing more than the ravings of a narcissistic and delusionary, petty-minded, and impotent control-freak who was a hardcore misogynist, slayer-of-children, and a prototypical con-man and cult leader.
    Like Jim Jones, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong Il, and so many others.
    …and by your rationale, where would they be???

    That being said, if this is your best effort at a response, I have to tell you that it's limper than overcooked ramen noodles. It's so….formulaic, and Obvious that it's laughable. You sound like a kid on the playground who picked a fight, lost and is now claiming 'watch out cause my daddy's gonna getcha'. L A M E….at best.
    Also, islam will be brought down and reforged, as I am helping some friends try to begin a Reformation that would see Islam become a totally Non-Threatening ideology. No more jihad, no more 'hate the unbelievers', no more 'women aren't as good as men'…
    And as there's all the special interest groups out there, and the leftist media who love things that are fluffy-wuddy PolCorr and all about 'the greater good', as well as the UN and it's laws regarding freedom of speech and hate-literature…
    muslims worldwide will have NO choice but to accept it, as some of the agencies we'll be working with are OIC, and others like them.
    I'm NOT a muslim, and never will be, but I don't mind helping the old Grandfather of my Muslim friends out with the web–he's 81, and the web is a little beyond him due to age and serious arthritis.

  315. YEP…KILL (arabic: QITAL) THOSE WHO NOT BELIEVE etc.
    LOVE…THE ISLAMIC WAY . ( QURAN 9:5 ,QURAN 9:29 etc. etc.)
    EMPTY HEAD (sorry :SET) YOU PLAY YOUR TAQIYYA AND KITMAN VERY WELL INDEED ! ;-)

  316. TO EMPTY HEAD (sorry SET) { } .
    YOU SAY: "Coward go fancy yourself being internet warrior screaming ha ha ha ! "
    Think MAN, what are you doing YOURSELF RIGHT NOW ! HAHAHAHAAAAA !!

  317. What about believing in a god who will send me into an eternal firelieve , only because I don't be in his nonsense?
    What about a god who calls his own creations, SWINES, MONKEYS ,KAFIR AND THE VILEST OF ANIMALS ??? A god who wants his creations to be slaves, and to be killed and be humiliated ! ( YOU KNOW ALL THE SURAHS ABOUT THIS, we gave them to you)
    What about calling us stupid, trolls,gutless coward, dungsniffer, dikslurper…etc.
    What is the point of that? WHY DO YOU IGNORE THAT ??
    YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS WAILING , NOT WE. We can handle insults !!
    BUT WE CAN NOT HANDLE BEING SUBDUEDI INTO BRAINWASHED SLAVES !!!!

  318. It is individuals who do crime. But as a system non muslims will punish anybody who commit atrocity. for example hitler

  319. TO AMINRIADH
    YOU SATD: "If this was even remotely true – then you will concentrate on the topic rather than getting into slanging matches . . . and verbally abusing people.
    What is the point of that?"
    It is you ( and your muslimbrothers ) who does NOT stay at the topic ! THAT IS CLEAR !
    You never gave me the answer to a very,very, SERIOUS question:
    WHAT DO THE LETTERS IN SURAH 2:1 MEAN : ALIF,LAM,MEEM !!
    EVERBODY SEES THAT YOU DON'T ANSWER.
    GIVE US A SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER !
    There are many more surahs like this one, SO IT MUST BE IMPORTANT TO YOUR ALLAH ! Don't RUN, AMINRIADH !!!

  320. Oh..I'm sure you have 4 wives of the age 6 to 9 yrs. HUH…HUH !! LOL !!
    No thank you very much ..Aminriadh…MY BOYFRIEND DOES NOT BEAT ME (against our law !), I AM FREE TO GO WHERE I WANT, WORK (ARCHITECT , YEP), I AM NOT FORCED TO WEAR SOME CRAZY VEILS TO COVER MY "AWRAH" BUT NORMAL DECENT CLOTHES), I SPEAK FREELY …enfin …you know !!

  321. They disavow the hateful, anti-semitic and violence-inciting aspects, citing that such are tests in the quran, by allah, through muhammad's own flaws as a man to seperate out the wheat from the chaff…the chaff being those who sieze upon those same aspects and engage in the kind of horrors we see happening all across the world today.
    Conscription of child-soldiers? Is that really True Islam?
    Treating women as necessary evils and such…where 4 women equal one man's intelligence and testimony? Again is that True Islam and befitting a 'religion of Peace?
    You don't know the ''deal' and you keep showcasing your immaturity, closed-mindedness and ignorance everytime you say something.
    Stop and think for a minute…
    BTW, I have engaged far more vicious and intelligent detractors than you amigo.
    Things change, and the Islamic Reformation has to happen sometime…new Century, new Millenium…why not now??
    The message is going to spread, also. Don't you think folks are getting weary of all the conflict??
    Of course they are…and nowadays, there's the Internet.

    I am not a Jewish person, no, and keep your anti-semitic comments out of this, the Jews aren't part of this convo–stay on topic. Also, it just makes you sound really ugly. You're NOT doing yourself a big favor with comments such as, and I quote:
    "You are not even a Jew by rejecting Abrahamic ideologies !"

    Change is the only true Constant in the Universe–deal with it.

  322. To Taufiq Elahi, the backward, superstitious and brainwashed MUSLIM.
    ( I am not offending you I only give you the facts! )
    1)You said:
    "______________You all will oneday stand infront of God and you will not have any place to go execpt to HELL FIRE._____________ ".
    MAN… YOU MADE ME REALLY AFRAID WITH YOUR 7th century superstitious crap about HELL..HAHAHAHA !! You should first give us some proofs that your evil idol Allah exists !!
    We live NOW in the 21th century …REMEMBER !!
    2) You said: "WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE ? "
    We are all simple, HARDWORKING and normal people , the only difference with you muslims is: WE THINK FOR OUR SELVES !! WE DON'T ACCEPT STUPID CRAP. WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOUR FAKE GOD, YOUR FAKE PROPHET NOR YOUR EVIL IMAMS. These IMAMS have a good life , because you work so hard (assuming that you speak the truth ) .
    3) We don't give ALI SINA any money ! THAT'S A BIG LIE !!
    4) We ALL are fighting against ISLAM, because it is provable FALSE and it makes you (MUSLIMS) VIOLENT AND IT BRAINWASHES YOU ! SO….GOOD LUCK TO YOU !!!

  323. Be clear what are you dealing against Prophet? Islam? Muslims?

    Yes Muslims don't know your fabricated stories go tell them.
    And better preach sanatan to Hindus converting to Islam and Christianity instead of cherry picking. Save your rotten tomatoes lol

  324. There many Indian Muslim who do not know about Mohammad much. They actually do not know even prophet had a wife of 6 years old, prophet did marry with his daughter in law, prophet loot. I also used to think prophet was a peaceful person like Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi before reading Quran and Hadith.

  325. They consider themselves Muslims, and practice Peace. islamists is the accepted term for those who want to forcibly convert or kill all others not following islam.
    Look it up.
    They consider allah to be the source of the quran and Islam to have survived despite him.
    They make the differentiation, the Grandather, the Father of my friends and my friends themselves. The Grandfather set out on this path of Reformation 60 years ago, and came to Canada to avoid being killed by islamists or putting others close to him at the University at risk-by-association.

    Your immature dialogue notwithstanding, you can keep claiming the I'm on the losing end of this all you wish–and more and more all you do is reveal yourself, and the festering hatred at your core.

    And you know it, too.

  326. Non-Islamist Muslim ???? People who don't believe in prophet are Muslims ??? You are surprising me with your understanding and differentiating hahaha

    I read your rest of blah blah !! I don't attack people its only analytic that work. YOU are hopeless !! Keep loosing !

  327. @Taufiq Elahi
    ______________You all will oneday stand infront of God and you will not have any place to go execpt to HELL FIRE._____________
    Your Allah looks like physical entity who is restrict to some space or sky having face, hand etc. How can we stand before Allah? How can we know without seeing to Allah whether we are behind or before the Allah? http://agniveer.com/salvation-hinduism/
    Vedic Concept of Salvation

  328. You all will oneday stand infront of God and you will not have any place to go execpt to HELL FIRE. Your leader will be Mr. Sina. You guys will be asking him why he cheated you and he will refuge to know you guys. Who are you people? No knowlwdge about life and religion at all. Mr. Sina is enjoying life on the donation money and you people are misguided. I pray to God oneday you guys open your eyes and submit to the only one Almighty God. Not much time to write. Because I work hard for living not like Mr. Sina. Prophet Muhammad SWA and Islam will stand tall untill the eternity and Mr. Sina and the gang will parish. Amin.

  329. Hypocrite…hardly.
    Behavioural-Testing of you, by me.

    I stand by the Facts that the prophet was a pedophile, impotent, a slayer-of-children, and one of the greatest Abominations in Human history akin to Hitler, Stalin, PolPot, Mao Tse Tung and others.

    Every non-islamist Muslim I know acknowledges that he (muhammed) was NOT the ideal of Humanity and take the Better parts of Islam while turning aside from the negative aspects, and are quite peaceful, pleasant, decent people.
    They harm NO one, and are only desiring to be left in peace. I can respect that way of life. They have friends among our Jewish and Native communities, and are well thought of.

    I don't care what religion/faith/ideology people wish to practice, but when they start killing innocents in it's name, then that is going well past the point of civilized behaviour or sanity. The same goes for stoning women for adultery if they're raped, and the whole 'One man is equal to the testimony of four women' nonsense because mohammed was a bloody-handed misogynist and petty-minded control-freak tyrant of the worst kind, and being a coward on top of all that.

    I was testing you, to see what side you stood on…
    Muslim
    Or
    islamist
    Now we all know what your true colors are.
    In the end, religion/ideology/faith means not a damn thing–it's people's actions that matter.
    islam these days is defined as the actions of the islamists storming, burning, raping, maiming, and killing for no genuinely proper reasons and conscripting child-soldiers–in itself a war-crime.

    I wanted to see if you'd even consider taking a peace offering, but instead, you attack my sexuality, have attacked my husband and my friend and continue to hurl insults.
    You, amigo, are the real 'hater' here…I've looked at your posts and replies, and you're only here to attack the author of this site and those people commenting on articles here.
    My morals and ethics would stun you…as would those of my husband. Idle boast? No…
    How many people forego Billions of $$ in Proprietary Patents on a new solar polar technology by Open-Sourcing them to the World, ALL people, Everywhere??
    In the name of trying to make the world better for Everyone. That reason alone. NOT $, NOT fame…to save lives, improve economics, improve things for All with no discrimination.
    We did that, Christmas 2011.
    We'll be doing the same with other tech, once they're ready after testing.
    So, leave our morals and ethics out of this, that is a point you will NOT win and are totally outclassed by.
    Husband leads, I follow–he's 15 Yrs my senior with more education, experience and skills than I have. It's only logical he should be the voice of authority in our home.
    So, that effs-up your little snipe on my 'servant-like' morals and ethics.

    You are as big as disgrace to Islam as any other islamist. You're driven by hatred, mean-spiritedness and are unwilling to admit that there are grave and deep flaws and wrongs in islam as well as the prophet. You're a…drone, basically. You know only what you're 'programmed' to, a good little expendable of the islamist hive.

    So, are you going to stop this pointless and one-sided battle vs. me, or are you still looking for some humiliation to satisfy your dark cravings for punishment??

  330. Are you a joker to say you will stand with true Muslims by insulting prophet ? (check your some comments)

    Considering your deformed sexual experiences and servant like moral ethics(from your comments) Do you think you are even eligible to talk anything good or bad morally for any one?

    You are Rejected being hypocrite !

    You want to have fight with some violent Islamists no body is restricting you but lumping together Muslims by attacking basics and prophet you are making every Muslim as your enemy on other side. Good Luck !

    I really don't enjoy winning low profiles, haters. Being a hater is giving a natural win to person or community or reason whom s/he hate !

  331. I'm giving you the 'win' to soothe your obviously fragile ego and placate you.
    Me, a 'hater'? Let's see…islamists want to kill, and have tried to kill, Muslim friends of mine for not being islamists and wanting only to leave in peace and bother no one.
    islamists are using child-soldiers in Mali, and directly responsible for a growing list of atrocities and horrors every day.
    islamists are trying to undermine our rights and culture here in the west, and brutally suppressing Muslims who speak against them.

    I will stand with True Muslims always. They are no threat to me or anyone else.
    islamists…I will see every last one of them hanged by the neck, kicking and struggling, for the endless list of War-Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity they perpetrate.
    Hate islamists? A waste of energy and all it does is stengthen them…no, I waste no energy hating them.
    But I am dead-set against islamists and islamism and theocracy/caliphate in my home nation. I will not kow to islamists and have NO trouble fighting fire with fire if needs be.
    I have no respect or tolerance for islamists, never will, they foul islam everytime they speak of it and are making such a mess of things they're breaking the hearts of my Muslim friends who are watching their ideology be turned into…what the islamists are turning it into; The New Nazis.
    If ur a Muslim fine…we have no problems with each other…or shouldn't.
    If ur an islamist…then I have nothing to say to you as you're of the kind that have threatened my friends and my nation, my culture.

  332. I have not claimed my win yet but you admit yourself as hater thats a good news lol

  333. A 'troll' is what a 'troll' says . . .

    "I came here to read the website's material as I'll be promoting it."

    If this was even remotely true – then you will concentrate on the topic rather than getting into slanging matches . . . and verbally abusing people.

    What is the point of that?

  334. …again, try using language properly. *sigh*
    If you want to believe you won the conversation than I'll allow you to do so.
    Feel better now??

    Btw, I showed you impotent attack vs. Husband to him, and he found it very underwhelming, it's in the Top Five Lamest Attacks by his standards.
    You should stop trying to insult people and their loved ones–you are not possessed of any skill in such whatsoever and all you accomplish is embarrassing yourself more and more.

  335. I doubt your worth the effort, frankly-speaking, and you do have quite the over-inflated sense of importance regarding yourself don't you? I came here to read the website's material as I'll be promoting it. I could not possibly care any less about you than I do already.
    So, leave-off the 'conspiracy-against-you' theory, all you're doing is making yourself look ridiculous, egotistical, and possesing no better qualities. I'd remark on your intelligence, but your statement above has said more about your lack of it than I ever can.

  336. So all of non-Muslims understand whats right and whats wrong ! And still do crime !!! its a GOAL !!! lol

  337. At the end a hater loose!!! lol

  338. Another troll! A good ploy to get rid of me, Sina. Why can't there be someone intelligent on these comment section . . . . well it is a difficult ask – given the subject matter.

  339. I take it – the "coward" jibe was a bit too close to home. I got a live nerve there, sonny.

  340. "It is as true as you muhammad was a sick child rapist. "

    There you go . . . it didn't take much to figure you out . . . you are lying coward – and a stupid one.

    Why else would you INVENT such a pathetic story!?

  341. but never a islamic child raping cult

  342. muslim b@stard did i say only muslim commit crime?
    What i want you islamc sl@t to understand is that muslim faggys never understand what is right and what is wrong.
    just like that mullah

  343. Laugh, infant, laugh.
    It's really all you seem abl to do…a poor showing of skills but an excellent demonstration of how little there is in your head aside from cruelty, the tones of which I can hear in your words.

  344. How do you know ?
    It is as true as you muhammad was a sick child rapist.

  345. You have No idea what you're babbling about, do you??
    I told you that John was non-sexual, obviously a point that you are so demonstratably stupid as to be unable to comprehend.
    Husband is my Dominant, hence my use of the term Husband as title.
    You're total lack of any even perfunctory respect for the death of our friend says much about you, and then trying a very klumsy, obvious, and utterly limp attack as you to provoke me??
    Yes, you're making yourself look very much the typical, hate-filled, mindlessly-rabid and insatiably-cruel muslim. I expect this kind of behaviour from muslims, I am rarely surprised to the contrary.
    You are a living disgrace to your parents, and your lineage.

  346. A Hindu ? A Zoroastrian ? Or A Monkey Whatever !! lol

  347. careful…
    you're fear and trepidation is showing.

    I never said 'awakening'…learn to use words with precison, else all you do is showcase your lack of education.
    We're all around you, on the streets, the stores, everywhere all around the world.
    We've been rebuilding from the attempts to eliminate our kind suffered at the hands of islamists and christians. The hews snubbed us, but they've never tried to eradicate us.
    Thus, we've been growing back, like life returning and blooming ever more strongly after a forest fire.
    Centuries…
    But here we are now, and many come to us, seeking solace and peace, inclusion and belonging, where they can be genuinely free.
    Who are we?

    We have always been here, long before any of the abrahamic ideologies were even a notion….
    Tens of Millenia, going back to before the last Ice Age, and further still.
    Figure it out for yourself…
    I won't help those who tried exterminating my ancestors.

  348. John was the oldest friend Husband had and a man I was as close to as a brother.
    He came to live with us at our request because his health was precarious owing to his parents exposure to agent orange in New brunswick. He passed away a couple of weeks ago, with us in attendance rather than alone in some apartment somewhere.
    We're a BDSM Household, but we do not swing, and due to agonizing pain, John hadn't been able to tolerate even prolonged phsycial contact for longer than 30 seconds, a common thing with the terminally ill fighting systemic cancers.

  349. <div id="idc-comment-msg-div-451384803" class="idc-message"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(451384803)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Fblog%2F2012%2F06%2F16%2Fhow-can-muhammad-be-narcissist-when%2F%23IDComment451370235#IDComment451384803&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20How%20can%20Muhammad%20be%20a%20Narcissist%20When%E2%80%A6%3F%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(451384803)">Close Message dunno, have you seen a fake unicorn and a real one?? Fact, the allah that muhammed stole, was not the bloodthirsty monster he used to scare his cultists into obedience with.
    Very different entity entirely.

  350. Got trained in understanding sarcasm ? Save rotten tomatoes lol . Whatever G B Shaw's opinion Is he influential enough to affect higher authority in history of mankind ?

  351. …and his statements above contradict what is stated very specifically about bodyguards and military in islamic religious materials themselves.
    Thus, we can safely conclude that Professor Jules Masserman didn't know a damn thing about what he was talking about.

  352. G. B. Shaw…
    …it's widely known and acknowledge he was being very sarcastic when he said that.

  353. Uh ! When did these elders slept and when they will be awakening lol
    Without submitting no relationship, no love, no respect ! You are amused by us coz Islam hold practical system not like forgotten tomatoes.

  354. All of that is nothing more than absolute propaganda–and you know it, too. Whether you admit it or not, you know it to be complete nonsense down really deep in your core where some sense of true Humanity and knowledge of Basic Right vs. Wrong still cries for you to listen and stop championing a man who was nothing but an utter abomination on a par with Hitler, Stalin and others of that ilk.

    I'll remind you that muhammed stole allah from the Pagan Meccans and then tore that deity asunder, and the recreated it as a frankensteinian monster to fit his cult and allow hime leverage over his cultists and sycophants.
    muhammed is a stain on Humanity's history, an utterly disgusting and thoroughly repellent example of what a Human should not aspire to.
    He is fit only to be denounced, and held up as a lesson to all Mankind of how twisted and warped a person can get and what happens to innocent people when such Human-in-name-only creatures gain power.

  355. muhammad = impotent. NO heirs at all, despite the false claims of that one individual.
    The best he could have done was to molest the poor girl with his hands.

  356. islam is not freedom. Submission is demanded of slaves, not free beings. Nice try, though. islam is a cult, made by a weak, cowardly and petty-minded little waste of a man and chronic impotence–thus he lashed out at the world. He smisappropriated knowledge and a deity, claiming them to be his, as told to him by the deity he stole and mutilated.
    muslims know nothing of genuine love, as islam is nothing but anti-semitism, hate and mindless assault vs. innocents for no reason but to perpetuate the facism of the cult muhammad created.
    muslims also know nothing of genuine respect, we see muslims in how many nations acting like tantrummy infants, lying and changing the 'interpretations' of their 'holy' texts whenever caught with an embarrassing truth about islam.
    islam is an infant, at best, of an ideology, and despite your best efforts, those of us who follow the Ancient Ways are still around–with tens of Millenia of history to your less-than-two. We are truly global, and always have been–you never will be.
    islam…a disgrace, at best. It attacks it's siblings, the christians and jews. You dare to call yourselves 'the religion of peace'…when you nothing of the concept.

    Your Elders are returning, to put right the mess you've made, and we're not amused by you.

  357. Husband and a close friend of ours taught and trained me in Mil. close-combat, and for the first time I had to use it last Friday.
    The offenders?
    muslims…
    I owe a large and eternal debt of gratitude to Husband & John for their instruction and teachings…or I'd have been a rape statistic.
    One has a dislocated cervical vertebra and the other has a ruptured testicle, the other was crushed and had to be removed–courtesy of my knee.

  358. Julia, muhammad STOLE allah from pre-islamic Pagan Meccans, then mutilated that deity to fit his cult. So, don't blame a deity that needs Reclamation and restoration–blame the plagiarizing, murderous, pedophilic coward and child-slayer.

    muhammad; kin to Hitler & Stalin in mentality and murder.

    We WILL be reclaiming our lost deity, here that any and all islamists, and we will utterly divorce and free it from the perversion and abomination that is islam.
    The Real allah is not a deity of hatered and monstrous atrocity.

  359. Rat stop having narcissist complex like your bastard father mohammad

  360. Thank you for illustrating trauma and twisted fabrication ! ha ha ha, Is this make you happy ? lol.

    Learn from Muslims how to love, how to believe, how to respect, how to keep relationship. Come to the right freedom submission.

  361. lol where did you make this story ? Is this proving anything like Muslims do all crimes in world ! ha ha ha !!! You are fu©king insane ! Coward go fancy yourself being internet warrior screaming ha ha ha !

  362. "I exposed you"

    Oh, those sweet, moist dreams . . . .

  363. I think Julia fancies me! . . . sorry dearest – I am spoken for.

  364. Ha ha ha ha – this is one of the WORST made up stories – jeez – surely you could have done better.

    You are nothing more than a gutless coward. . . . why else are you this way?

    - – -

    "I have a job , which is very much related to hunting down islamic extremist. "

    There is no such a job.

    - – - –

    Making up these weird stories . . . with only a fellow troll like Julia cheering you on. . . . what else are you?

    Even you know deep down – that you are nothing more than coward . . . I mean, you have difficulty putting an argument together. . . or a single coherent thought.

  365. YES, AMINRIADH !! THE BARE TRUTH IS HARD TO DIGGEST FOR YOU, A MUSLIM , A " CHOSEN ONE ", "THE BEST OF CREATION "!!
    I know what you were doing, and I exposed you ! A little woman against a MIGHTY MUSLIM !!
    Just like DAVID AGAINST GOLIATH !!! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  366. Thanks , denialisnoproog ! Thanks !

  367. @ AMIN-JEW ;-) ,the backwrd muslim ( biggest insult I can thik of) .
    YOU ARE HURT AND HUMILIATED ,HEY SLAVE of Allah.
    WHAT ABOUT THE SWEARING OF YOURSELF AND YOUR EVIL MUSLIMBROTHER ALI(EN). ??? Remember: ?: Troll, tranny, dik slurper…enfin …you know them all.
    Don't be a cry-baby , RAT !! BE A MAN !!!
    VIOLENT STATEMENTS??? HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ?
    YOU EVIL BOOK ,THE QURAN, IS FULL OF THE MOST VIOLENT STATEMENTS ONE CAN THINK OF….YOU KNOW THAT VER WELL… KILLING INFIDELS !! BURNING INFIDELS !!! HUMILIATING INFIDELS !!!!
    WHAT AN EVIL HYPOCRITE YOU ARE !
    ALIF,LAM MEEM ??? WHAT ABOUT THAT ???

  368. YOUR QUESTION SHOULD BE : "WHO IS TAUFIQ ELAHI ". ???? HAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!

  369. WHY DO ALL YOU MUSLIM WANT TO GO TO THE WEST ?? We CAN HARDLY KEEP THEM OUT !! THE POOR BASTARDS !!
    BECAUSE OF THE FREEDOM ….LOL !
    YOU CRAZY BACKWARD IMAM HAS BRAINWASHED YOU WITH CRAP, THAT ALL WOMEN IN THE WEST ARE HIGH, AND PROSTITUTES ETC. …THAT IS NONSENSE OF COURSE !!
    THINK MAN !!

  370. What are you babbling about FREEDOM, moronic muslim…BEING A SLAVE….A SLAVE OF ALLAH !! A SLAVE IS NOT FREE , otherwise he was not a slave ! LOL…LOL…LOL.
    Is this too difficult for you….empty set { } , or rather EMPTY HEAD …HAHAHAHA !! Silly muslim kid . FUKC OFF !!!

  371. YOU ARE A EMPTY KETTLE, EMPTY HEAD (SET ) ,{ } .You give only silly noise!
    SO SHUT UP.! OR RATHER …BLOW YOURSELF UP…Do something useful for your fake god Allah ! LOL…YOU LIKE THAT EXPRESSION,DON'T YOU? …LOL…LOL…LAL..LAIL..LAILLA.. YOU'R NUTS MAN !
    LAILLAILLAALLAH …LAI..LALALA !

  372. Twisted are those words in quran which can be interpreted in thousand ways.
    go ask your muhammad to take his rotten 53 year old coc from a nine year old girl's puss

  373. IS IT YOU AGAIN, EMPTY HEAD ,{ } ??
    YEP, THERE WAS SOME SILLY NOISE ;-)
    O.K. Here is some for you to ponder about.
    Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (sexs for money=prostitution) was installed by you evil prophet in Islam.
    Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139 : " Narrated Abdullah:
    We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."
    Sahih Muslim Hadith Book 008, Number 324.
    Sahih Muslim Hadith Book 008, Number 3250.
    THE HYPOCRITE MUSLIMS CALL IT "TEMPORARILY MARRIAGE "…YOU MUSLIMS ARE, LIKE YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET, A BUNCH OF LIARS !!
    And of course you have all kinds of cunning excuses, BUT THIS WHAT YOUR OWN BOOKS SAY !!!

  374. You think I am gutless coward but it is not true.
    I have a job , which is very much related to hunting down islamic extremist.
    Once I was standing in bus stand some muslim goons and started teasing a girl.
    I was alone and they were four . I had to beat the shit out of them.
    Then I had to complain to their parents and one bastard mullah came and told that .It is wrong for woman to go out door and work , so there is no wrong in these sliced kocks going on eve teasing . So from then on I decided no reasoning works with this brain dead fags only bullet does the job better.

    And the truth is the video link julia has uploaded

  375. What truth? You come one here with appalling dirty swears . . . you are a gutless coward . . . hidden behind anonymity of the Internet and swearing.

    What truth can you possible convey?

    - – -

    Any serious discussion on anything is beyond you capability. And you even know this.

    And then there are your violent statements . . . any half decent site would moderate their comments – so we don't get such farce.

  376. GET LOST EMPTY SET , { } , backward muslim !!!

  377. There are now available the books of Robert Spencer and Tom Holland about the origines of Islam. It is very interesting to learn from them a few sobering facts for Muslims: The biography of Mohammed was only written in about 760 AD by Ibn Ishaq. The Hadiths were only selected and compiled some 2 centuries after Mohammed's supposed death. There were far, far too many of them to be about only one man, even after this selection.

    Until 691 almost no reference is found, not among Muslims, not among their adversaries, contemporaries, about Mohammed. Only a few, and these tell not the same stories as that which is now the official one. Yes, the Arabs and allies were very successful in their wars in the 7th + 8th century. Much because their neighbor states had weakened, through wars and pests. But only later it seems the Arabs puzzled a new religion together. Around 691 and after.

    Oh, there may well have been some sort of prototype for Mohammed, or more than one, but at the same time much about the now known Mohammed was invented, especially much of all those good characteristics that are told about him by Muslims. Which are more likely mainly myths.

    Scientific and deep thinking and investigating can lead to much unexpected conclusions, including the replacement of older explanations and accepted versions of history. And those who respect this kind of thinking and investigating must be prepared to go where the evidence and logic leads them, NOT to some foregone conclusion.

    And old inaccurate theories should be rejected by those theories which better fit the now known facts. But Muslims must have OTHER motives than searching for the truth as best concluded from all the known facts.

    They just love their fairytales and myths far too much. They can't live without them. And they cherish them also because their loved ones did and do that. And perhaps because they are afraid of the punishments for apostasy and possibly in the hereafter.

    But still they will never admit anything about all those BAD reasons to believe in a story when there now is a much better explanation of the rise of Islam available, depending on evidence and reason and not on some sort of highly suspicious "revelation".

    That's my view, as a Darwinist, on belief in Islam. You are free to believe in it, but I think you do not believe in a really true story with Islam.

  378. Seems all day you sit on hot plate and keep scolding Muslims lol. Not worried about your burned fuming ass yet ? ha ha ha

  379. Twisted theories doesn't work coward lol. And why you are not able to mind your own business or religion is biggest trauma you are facing ha ha ha !

  380. Prostitute is your muhammad's mother . prostitute is your mother who gets money from your father before nikha and gets all those money just by uttering three talaqs,
    prostitute is your mother who has to sleep with another mullah if your father gives talaq and wants have nika with her again. prostitute is your sister who has mutah marriage to earn money.
    prostitutes are those allahas perpetual virgins in eternal heaven.
    And who the f@ck are you to decide what is freedom of non muslim and what is not.

  381. Only muslim can attack personally and whine like biatch and cry like a sl@t when confronted with truth.
    dirty islami
    do you know your last prophet qaddafi was banging your under age sister.
    now we will call this mohammad freedom worst than prostitution .
    muslims need a person like hitler to make them shut their nonsense

  382. Dear prostitution of freedom is not freedom ! If you are comfortable your mom is getting high with 10-15 and you call this as her freedom then you need treatment !!! You should know what is a freedom !

  383. CONQUESTS,CONQUESTS,CONQUESTS…..EVEN BETTER THE THE ONE OF THE MONGOLS !! HUH ,HUH, MURDER, SLAUGHTER, LOOTING, DESTROYING, RAPE ,ENSLAVING …ETC.ETC. VERY NICE INDEED !!!
    YEAH, YOUR EVIL PROPHET WAS VERY INFLUENTIAL AND…..PEACEFUL !!!! YEP….WHAT A GREAT MAN HE WAS !!! (sarcasm !!)
    THINK ABOUT THIS ,BRAINWASHED MORON TAUFIQ ELAHI ! THINK….WAS AND IS THIS ALL A GOOD THING ? OF COURSE NOT…IT IS PURE EVIL !!! NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF !
    THE GERMANS ARE ASHAMED ABOUT THEIR CRAZY HITLER, WHEN DO MUSLIMS FOLLOW THIS REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE???

  384. HERE ARE SOME MORE QUOTES ABOUT YOUR CULT ISLAM AND YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ….HAVE FUN : http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/2009/09/famous

  385. TO THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIM WHO CAN NOT THINK FOR HIMSELF !
    You gave some qotes about your evil fake prophet and his cult ! Quotes from socalled "famous "people.
    If you think for yourself, which a muslim can not because he/she is brainwashed, you should know that there are many NEGATIVE quotes ( of other "famous"people) about your INSANE CAMEL (insal al kamil= the perfect rolemodel, hmmm). Here are some examples:
    CHURCHILL(fanous fighter agains facism):" "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy…..and so on ,SEE : http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_Winston_Church
    MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK ( great Turkish statesman):
    "“Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.”
    DO YOU WANT MORE LIKE THIS ??

  386. TO THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIM TAUFIQ ELAHIHIHIHIHIH !
    I RANK YOU SECONDLY BEHIND YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED, AS THE GREATEST LIAR THERE EVER WAS !!
    MAY YOUR ALLAH CURSE YOU …..;-)
    HAVE A BAD LIFE…YOU HYPOCRITE !!!

  387. The RANKING of persons in history is not al all interesting !!.
    WAS their influence GOOD OR BAD…..THÁT'S THE QUESTION !!
    In the case if Mohammed: HIS INFLUENCE WAS VERY,VERY BAD. !
    STILL more then a BILLION muslims are stuck in the 7th century because if the influence of this evil and selfish bastard !!
    READ YOUR OWN BOOKS AND LOOK AT YOUR SHARIAH. IT IS EVIL…SO :
    ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED !!! AND IT WILL BE DESTROYED !!!
    BY SIMPLY TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT IT !!

  388. @ Taufiq Elahi.
    You MUST be a muslim Taufi. Because your comments were immensely stupid.
    Listen… Without any doubt Mohammed was and still is very influential !! BUT WHAT KIND OF INFLUENCE ?? THÁT'S the question !
    Well, THÁT influence was and still is the most wicked influence you can think of ! Just read your own unholy books !
    He has caused unnamable grief all around the globe. Hundreds of millions deadly victims, hunderdreds of millions people enslaved, hundereds of millions of women RAPED AND BEATEN UP, hundreds of millions people wounded, hundreds of millions refugees. AND BILLIONS IF PEOPLE BRAINWASHED TO ZOMBIES !
    NOW THÁT IS A GOOD INFLUENCE INDEED TO BE PROUD OF. AND IT IS STILL GOING ON, JUST LIIK AROUND TN THE WORLD ….!
    You can read about it here : http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

  389. @Taufiq Elahi
    ______"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets_______
    Yes he was successful to become pedophilia, rapist, looter, thief, narcissist. Other prophet like Moses, Jesus have not such quality. Like prophet Jesus and Moses were not engaged in his 6ties to sex with a child.
    Question:
    Is Allah too much narrow minded entity that he punish the people eternally if he does not get his worship from them?

  390. SO ….AND ???
    The BIG problem with Mohammed is :
    Mohammed was ( according to your own unholy books) an evil bastard .
    You muslims are following this sick moron !!
    Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, many mafioso etc. etc. were very influential TOO !! SO WHAT ???

  391. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, STUPID MUSLIM ??

  392. Muhammad was secular?
    When will idiotic muslims figure out what secularism is?
    why don't you read dictionary and learn what secularism is.
    Muslim lecturing about secularism is like a pig preaching about cleanliness.
    Hey Oxymoron what stuff are you smoking?

  393. There are other people too – the list should be revised. Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar, Nakoula Bacile, etc. Who knows perhaps their actions would influence more?

    Even Ajmal Kasan too may find himself in the list.

  394. Whereas, Gandhi, Buddha fought with truth as their weapon. They acknowledged only truth. Mohammad invented what is known as taqiyaa, kitman and other five types of lies. So Mohammad fails here.

    NO comparison at all.

    Prof Jules Masserman does not know the meaning of taqiyya, kitman, etc. Otherwise he would not have commented about Mohammad at all.

  395. The centrality of the Koran in the Moslem religion and the fact that it is written in Arabic have probably prevented the Arab language from breaking up into mutually unintelligible dialects, which might otherwise have occurred in the intervening thirteen centuries. Differences and divisions between these Arab states exist, of course, and they are considerable, but the partial disunity should not blind us to the important elements of unity that have continued to exist. For instance, neither Iran nor Indonesia, both oil-producing states and both Islamic in religion joined in the oil embargo of the winter of 1973-74. It is no coincidence that all of the Arab states, and only the Arab states, participated in the embargo. We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.

  396. The only comparable conquests in human history are those of the Mongols in the thirteenth century, which were primarily due to the influence of Genghis Khan. These conquests, however, though more extensive than those of the Arabs, did not prove permanent, and today the only areas occupied by the Mongols are those that they held prior to the time of Genghis Khan. It is far different with the conquests of the Arabs. From Iraq to Morocco, there extends a whole chain of Moslem nations united not merely by their faith in Islam, but also by their Arabic language, history, and culture.

  397. No such detailed compilation of the teachings of Christ has survived. Since the Koran is at least as important to Moslems as the Bible is to Christians, the influence of Muhammad through the medium of the Koran has been enormous. It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.

    On the purely religious level, then, it seems likely that Muhammad has been as influential in human history as Jesus. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as a religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time. Of many important historical events, one might say that they were inevitable and would have occurred even without the particular political leader who guided them. For example, the South American colonies would probably have won their independence from Spain even if Simon Bolivar had never lived. But this cannot be said of the Arab conquests. Nothing similar had occurred before Muhammad, and there is no reason to believe that the conquests would have been achieved without him.

  398. First, Muhammad played a far more important role in the development of Islam than Jesus did in the development of Christianity. Although Jesus was responsible for the main ethical and moral precepts of Christianity (insofar as these differed from Judaism), St. Paul was the main developer of Christian theology, its principal proselytizer, and the author of a large portion of the New Testament. Muhammad, however, was responsible for both the theology of Islam and its main ethical and moral principles. In addition, he played the key role in proselytizing the new faith, and in establishing the religious practices of Islam. Moreover, he is the author of the Moslem holy scriptures, the Koran, a collection of certain of Muhammad’s insights that he believed had been directly revealed to him by Allah. Most of these utterances were copied more or less faithfully during Muhammad’s lifetime and were collected together in authoritative form not long after his death. The Koran therefore, closely represents Muhammad’s ideas and teachings and to a considerable extent his exact words.

  399. The new religion, of course, continued to spread, in the intervening centuries, far beyond the borders of the original Moslem conquests. Currently it has tens of millions of adherents in Africa and Central Asia and even more in Pakistan and northern India, and in Indonesia. In Indonesia, the new faith has been a unifying factor. In the Indian subcontinent, however, the conflict between Moslems and Hindus is still a major obstacle to unity.

    How, then, is one to assess the overall impact of Muhammad on human history? Like all religions, Islam exerts an enormous influence upon the lives of its followers. It is for this reason that the founders of the world’s great religions all figure prominently in this book. Since there are roughly twice as many Christians as Moslems in the world, it may initially seem strange that Muhammad has been ranked higher than Jesus. There are two principal reasons for that decision.

  400. For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732, at the famous Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of the Prophet, had carved out an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean-the largest empire that the world had yet seen. And everywhere that the armies conquered, large-scale conversion to the new faith eventually followed. Now, not all of these conquests proved permanent. The Persians, though they have remained faithful to the religion of the Prophet, have since regained their independence from the Arabs. And in Spain, more than seven centuries of warfare, finally resulted in the Christians reconquering the entire peninsula. However, Mesopotamia and Egypt, the two cradles of ancient civilization, have remained Moslem, as has the entire coast of North Africa.

  401. By 642, Egypt had been wrested from the Byzantine Empire, while the Persian armies had been crushed at the key battles of Qadisiya in 637, and Nehavend in 642. But even these enormous conquests, which were made under the leadership of Muhammad’s close friends and immediate successors, Ali, Abu Bakr and ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, did not mark the end of the Arab advance. By 711, the Arab armies had swept completely across North Africa to the Atlantic Ocean There they turned north and, crossing the Strait of Gibraltar, overwhelmed the Visigothic kingdom in Spain.

  402. When Muhammad died, in 632, he was the effective ruler of all of southern Arabia. The Bedouin tribesmen of Arabia had a reputation as fierce warriors. But their number was small; and plagued by disunity and internecine warfare, they had been no match for the larger armies of the kingdoms in the settled agricultural areas to the north. However, unified by Muhammad for the first time in history, and inspired by their fervent belief in the one true God, these small Arab armies now embarked upon one of the most astonishing series of conquests in human history. To the northeast of Arabia lay the large Neo-Persian Empire of the Sassanids; to the northwest lay the Byzantine, or Eastern Roman Empire, centered in Constantinople. Numerically, the Arabs were no match for their opponents. On the field of battle, though, the inspired Arabs rapidly conquered all of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine.

  403. There were, however, in Mecca, a small number of Jews and Christians; it was from them no doubt that Muhammad first learned of a single, omnipotent God who ruled the entire universe. When he was forty years old, Muhammad became convinced that this one true God (Allah) was speaking to him, and had chosen him to spread the true faith. For three years, Muhammad preached only to close friends and associates. Then, about 613, he began preaching in public. As he slowly gained converts, the Meccan authorities came to consider him a dangerous nuisance. In 622, fearing for his safety, Muhammad fled to Medina (a city some 200 miles north of Mecca), where he had been offered a position of considerable political power. This flight, called the Hegira, was the turning point of the Prophet’s life. In Mecca, he had had few followers."

  404. The majority of the persons in this book had the advantage of being born and raised in centers of civilization, highly cultured or politically pivotal nations. Muhammad, however, was born in the year 570, in the city of Mecca, in southern Arabia, at that time a backward area of the world, far from the centers of trade, art, and learning. Orphaned at age six, he was reared in modest surroundings. Islamic tradition tells us that he was illiterate. His economic position improved when, at age twenty-five, he married a wealthy widow. Nevertheless, as he approached forty, there was little outward indication that he was a remarkable person. Most Arabs at that time were pagans, who believed in many gods.

  405. If you dare, please keep the following post for general public to compare your writings with the writings of the real scholar. Mr. Sina when the time will come, you will need This great man's help and I am sure if Allah will allow him, he will ask for even your forgiveness. You will not succeed in your mission. You will parish one day, but Islam and Prophet Muhammad SWA will stand tall until the end of the world.

    The 100, Ranking Most Influential Persons in History
    by Michael H. Hart

    My choice of Muhammad, to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels. Of humble origins, Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world’s great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive.

  406. "Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities." Encyclopedia Britannica

    "I have studied him – the wonderful man – and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity." George Bernard Shaw in “The Genuine Islam”

    "By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion." Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith in “Mohammed and Mohammedanism 1946.”

    For More About Muhammad, peace be upon him, see for yourself from other non-Muslims; "What They Say!" (Read . . .): Muhammad : The Prophet Of Our Time by Karen Armstrong.

  407. "Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727

    "It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4

  408. "Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him." Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. l 22.

    "Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . ." John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330

    "In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world." John Austin, “Muhammad the Prophet of Allah,” in T.P. ‘s and Cassel’s Weekly for 24th September 1927.

  409. "People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same." Professor Jules Masserman

    "Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life." Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith

  410. Now who is Mr. Sina? What is your qualification to diagnose psychological illness without seeing a person? I was sitting with one of my psychiatrist friend. He got a phone call from his mother who lives in rural town in BD. She is asking him about a mental illness. Because she was a school teacher though retired now still people will ask her everything. They also know her son is a Boro(big) doctor in USA. He keeps on telling her " Maa without seeing the patient, I will not be able to give you the diagnosis and treatment" But Mr. Das, Ali Sina, Kamran Mirza and Abul Kasem can diagnose all the diseases without seeing and knowing the person. KHUB COMOTKER ( very nice)!
    Now I will present some qutes from the scholars all over the world. Obviously those scholars are not in disguise. Probably Mr. Sina could diagnose their mental illness because they wrote about Prophet Muhammad SWA.

    "If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness." George Bernard Shaw

  411. Humanity learns thru examples, children are raised via their parents and the society they live in. Modern humanity has a lot to learn from Muhammed, peace be upon him. He lived on earth as an exemplary human, a just statesman, a caring companion, a wise leader (imam), and a devout, sincere believer in the oneness of God, Allah. He is the Last Prophet as inscribed in the original divine scriptures of old and new testaments and the final testament the Quran. We all could be better humans if we were to read and learn about Muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him, and understand what he thaught and lived for. Finally, may Allah increase and raise in goodness the scholars we have who are along the path (sunnah) of Muhammed (Islam), peace and blessings be upon him. And may Allah make us all better understand the true scholars of Islam, and lead our way to the Quran and Sunnah, ameen.

  412. Wolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, has written statements to clarify who he was and who he wasn't as regards the Quran and its teachings, and he says about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him:
    "He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
    (Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32)

  413. I shall consider that as an answer to me Mr. Sina . We do not have hundreds, but millions of those, thanks to Media. People with vested interests have all begun to propagate religion as per their whims. A girl was even seen dancing with her followers who pick her up while she seemingly is in a trance and elevated her to a saint's level. What is with people? Why doesn't everyone practice religion at home. Is everyone's religion so weak that it needs to be propagated and defended everywhere. There are facebook warriors of Christianity, Judaism etc . and to my surprise, even Sanatan Dharma. I was flabbergasted when I actually saw a post on your wall defending Sanatan Dharma, when actually nobody can embrace Hinduism. A hindu is a born Hindu. One can leave but one cannot adopt Sanatan Dharma. Sorry for this derogation.

    Regarding what you wrote about Einstein, Tears flow from my eyes when I read this, a "God, in short, is but a reflection of human frailty." What consciseness, what preciseness, actual revelation and description of whatever divinity is inherent and available in Humans.
    Thank you for your time.

  414. No human has access to any secret knowledge that others don’t. God does not send messengers. All those who claimed to be messengers of God were lying. They lied because they wanted to have a following. They wanted to be important. You can be sure that all those who claimed to bring a message from God were narcissist. We have hundreds of these charlatans right now who have followers who believe in every word that they say. There is nothing extraordinary in the teachings of any so called prophet. Anyone can say the same things they said. Did we need a prophet from God to tell us not to kill, not to steal, not to commit adultery and not to abuse others?

    Einstein wrote: “The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive form — this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness, and in this sense only, I belong in the ranks of devoutly religious men. I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after his own — a God, in short, is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear of ridiculous egotism.”

  415. this might come as an uninvited mail to you Mr. Sina, but I’m a born Hindu. I’ve been following your site since last one year and although Islam does not affect me as yet since I live in a free zone in India where religion is a walk one has to walk himself, I’m forced by my thoughts to ask your opinion on Upanishads (Bhagwad Gita). If you have read it. I find the ways of krishna as Narcisstic as that of Mohammad. I do agree with cosmo-psycho-theological approach as has been shared in rest of upanishads as do I uphold the experimental way of life by questioning even Vedas and upanishads based on karma, what I do not understand is why is there a similarity between what Krishna says as to submit all Karmas to him and even kill your brothers if it’s about rectitude and then dedicate all the Karma to Him (Krishna). What’s the difference between him and Mohammad. Both of them were after self elicitation. Weren’t they?

  416. Frankly I think you are all missing the real point here:
    Islam considers Jesus to be a "prophet of Islam", so Ali Sina is taking the Islamic view and contrasting two prophets of Islam , Jesus and Mo (yes, deliberate allusion), and showing the the one Muslims don't follow is better (greater) than the one they do.
    As such the Xtian view is irrelevant as is the debate over "Jesus: God or man?"

  417. Thats your trait everywhere, you are ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE AND READY TO BLINDLY DEFEND ALI SINA….who clearly believes jesus is a myth!

  418. Hey Henk.

    For me it's simple: I do not believe in the bible.
    And I despice the Judaic part, the Old Testament for its racist parts.
    Should God have a chosen people.
    Should God (the True God) be a racist.
    That is beyond me.

    But I read the old testament with interest because of the historical information.
    I am very interested in the Philistines, or some call this people "The Seapeople", who came from the Agean and turkish coast, they had tree major attacks on Egypt in ca. 1200 BC, they were defeated and settled in the five philistine cities, Ekron, Asdod, Ashkalon and Dan.
    And I find the do not find the biblical blackpainting of these civilised people fair in any way.
    I even think that the Moses in Egypt story originate here.

    And I read the Gospels and the Revelation as great Mysteries, with a inner, hidden meaning, not easy to grasp for most. And Paulus complete lost the Mystery Part.

    I think about the "Big Bang" (not 5 but 13 billion years ago. I correct meself) I do not understand, how nothing can suddenly split into all this,
    So if I need a God, it is to explain the Big Bang, and that is not in the scriptures.

  419. There is only one thing I would disagree with in your analysis: I don't believe that Mohammed planed or even anticipated the development of Islam into the large entity it is now.

    Mohammed made no preparation for his own death. The Qur'an was not collated, no succession arrangements were made.

    To Mohammed was a means to an end, no more. With his own death, the end was unobtainable for him personally and therefore the means, Islam, became an irrelevance to Mohammed.

    So, I don't think he ever wanted to start a major "religious" movement. He would be surprised at today's Islam, and probably laugh at it. He would probably have expected Islam to die alongside with him, and he certainly would not have seen it as something traveling the world…

  420. dear ali sina. i have great respect for you and i am a regular follower of you. you approach muhammad cult in a more rational way. but why do you have this hatred for communism. it was not a failed ideology. it was the people who rejected it and failed it. i think you live in a capitalist country. you may have the freedom to talk as long as your thoughts donot try to change the social fabric or the inequality that is inherent of capitalism. communism is not a demon as you think. i recommend you the collected works of Lenin. he is a great leader. you may start to like him if you come to know what his vision for the world is. his successors utterly failed him though. so marxism and leninism were demonized. i am not a born muslim. i was born a hindu and long renounced that set of rules which were enslaving. a great leader was born in its lowest class (which is caste in hinduism) and tried to do what you are striving for. he tried to wipe off that religion from the face of earth with the might of his pen. he is ambedkar. i recommend his writings also for you to know the truth about hinduism. i appreciate your works to make this world a better place without these religions.

  421. is that what your thought of refuting me. Good on you.

    I rest my case.

  422. "Plenty of men praying at east with their bottom up, and most of the women also walking in a tent someohow does not fit well"

    If you are so concern about visual references , So pornstars might be your gods. You are confused about sight without insight.

  423. At the end your intelligence surrendered to simple belief.

  424. "And meditate, imagine a candle in a dark room and the flame is fixed and burning"

    You are defining only mode of meditation lol . Do you know Salat is a perfect blend of meditation and yoga.

    Or imagine a lovely baby is smiling, or a lovely rose, or the lady you love with your all heart.

    This should be done while driving or sitting in bathing tubs or walking in the garden you didn't specify !

  425. If not all the reference of Ali Sina did not make you to leave it, then nothing will make you to leave it. No harm in that, it was your choice. I am nothing compared to what Ali Sina's knowledge of Islam.

    We non believers do not impose our view point and we let people to make their own choice.

  426. You may say, I could or have done all these and yet remain a faithful muslim, good on you, in this case we need more people like yourself.

    Everything (except most intangibles) got a visual reference with it, like ford as a brand, coca-cola. Oddly, when we other non-muslims close our eyes and think of Islam, we do not get a very good visual reference, like a beautiful church. Maybe you wish to address that. Plenty of men praying at east with their bottom up, and most of the women also walking in a tent someohow does not fit well with a 21st century psyche. You may wish to address that within your community.

    This was just a very broad analogy, not a debate.

  427. Mate it is not a question you should ask while in this forum.

    Just be a rational thinking loving individual who loves and respect people, regardless of their skin colour, race, cast, creed and gender. Just take them as they come, by doing this you would not offend any kind of god. If you believe in him anyway. You can still be praying to your version of god.

    And read science with an open mind.

    And meditate, imagine a candle in a dark room and the flame is fixed and burning, try to concentrate on your heart, let youself it's vibration, then feel your nasal area, while doing this. try think everybody is well in this mankind, love is the greatest power. Or imagine a lovely baby is smiling, or a lovely rose, or the lady you love with your all heart. You can do all these forever and yet you can still remain in Islam or be a muslim.

    And see what happens, if you like this then you will leave it and join the mankind, or if it does not, then you will remain as a muslim. No problems at all.

  428. lol what made you think like this? Ok tell me what really will make me to leave Islam ?

  429. don't worry mate, you will leave islam one day too.

  430. do you have any proof for that bold statement? Best regards henk

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  432. Hey Jens,

    For me it's simple: I believe in the bible, but I understand that I can't make anyone believe. It's not science. But there's one thing that puzzles me: men in general don't understand one of the core christian dogmas: God is one and exists in 3 persons that are all equally God (I don't understand it either, but I believe it), but on the other hand men in general seem to understand that if there is a God that God is eternal (which I can't grab either but I believe it). To quote you: there could be a creator (he or she) 5 billion years ago. Or for muslims they believe, but don't understand the virgin birth of Jesus but because they can't understand the trinity they don't believe it.

    Why believing in one part of God that you also can't understand and denying another part of God which is also impossible to understand. I don't see the logic here.

    As I stated before a believe is a believe. It's not science! You can't prove it. But if you believe you have to believe the sciptures, for they are the only basis of that believe. If you start denying parts of them, why should you believe anything of them at all?

    Best Regards Henk

  433. Hej Henk.

    You post have shaken me a bit.
    You are right: "you should read the bible a bit more careful."
    I haver never been very attentive to the letters of Paul.
    I don't trust his motives.

    But if you put any attention to Paul and his letter to the Colossians, I think it will be the end for Christianity as a monotheistic religion.
    If God (Jehova) was from the beginning, and Jehova was the creator, Jehova was one God.
    If as Paul states in KJV 1.16, Jesus was from the beginning, and he did create all things that are in heaven and on Earth, then we have two separate Creator-Gods, and you can in no way explain this away referring to the Trinity or anything. If Jesus was before the beginning, he is a Creator-God parallel to God Jehova. He is not part of God (Trinity) he is equal to God. And so you must have two Gods and Polytheisme in Christianity.
    Please correct me, if I am wrong.

    Then Menirva is right: "the Christians consider Jesus a god."

  434. I see, that I made a mistake.
    It is not Coll 1.9 that states "that Jesus created heaven and earth. "
    It is Coll 1.16. Sorry,
    "Colossians 1:16 (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,"
    But this will not change my view.
    Paulus was not an eyewitness.
    He had his own agenda: to create a church.

    You must remember dear Henk, it is very important to be precise about who Jesus was, Muslims read this.
    And muslims claim that christians worship three Gods (Trinity)
    Jesus was not one of three Gods.
    Muslims even declare that they respect Jesus, because they see him as a Great Prophet (muslim offcause)

    So, I say it again: Jesus was not a Great Prophet, he was not a God.
    Jesus was Son of God.

    And when Paulus said: "And he is before all things"" it is simply nonsens.
    But you have the explanation in Colossians 1:18.
    He is the head for the body, THE CHURCH. (my translation)(i am danish and my Bible too)

  435. Mary delivered Jesus when she was 12 year old. If Jesus is son of God then God must be pedophile.

  436. Dear Ali, you are really close to becoming a Christian. But you make one capital mistake. You talk about the need to be in a 'condition of believing'. That's no how God is. He works unconditional. If it were right what you say none in the world would ever be saved. But God works whatever and whenever He pleases for He has none bigger/mightier than Himself. There is only one condition which you have to confess and that's the condition all human beings are in, total depravity and unwillingness to be saved. But coming like this there's hope, even for the chief of sinners (for example Manasse who offered his own son to an idol).

    Just read some of this humble follower of Christ http://www.holybible.org/cgi-bin/daily_morning.cg

    May God bless you all who are searching for Him, but cannot find Him.
    Henk

  437. Continuation of last message.

    Colossians 1:10 (KJV) That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

    Colossians 1:11 (KJV) Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

    Colossians 1:12 (KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

    Colossians 1:13 (KJV) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Colossians 1:14 (KJV) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Colossians 1:15 (KJV) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Colossians 1:16 (KJV) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Colossians 1:17 (KJV) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    Best Regards,
    Henk

  438. Jens maybe you should read the bible a bit more careful. Just take a look at Colossians. If you say that God was the creator of the heaven and earth, then Jesus is definitely God. For this text clearly states that Jesus created heaven and earth. So to say that Jesus isn't God is blasphemy.__Colossians 1:9 (KJV) For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding

  439. This logic is too simple.
    God was the Creator.
    Jesus was not the Creator.
    Jesus was not God.

    Second: Jesus was son of Mary; was Mary God. Blasphemer

  440. Yeah but I am also telling you, I am amazed at your super intelligence, you must have come first in all your class. Please share your super intelligence with us. Are you a mathematician? How did you amass all this knowledge?

  441. Those Africans preacgers where from N Africa they were white and not black. They were either Greek setlers or Berbers

  442. enlightened25 let us talk about the goats first, then we will talk about boyfriend. Do you still think an islamic goat should have a female goat friend from amongst non-muslim goats?

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    Apostate 98%
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    humanity 57%
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    Islamophobes who didn't find place in the list can hope to be in next report
    Regards

  444. I have been on both sides. I am not any smarter now than when I was a believer. The difference is merely in perspective.

  445. "Belief, which means accepting a proposition without evidence, is simply out of question for me. " I cannot beat that.
    "there are many geniuses among believers" That's what I do not understand. When I see a physician or an engineer or a scientist is committed to a certain religion, prays and follows
    the meaningless rituals, I feel that our world is a gigantic mad house………….
    This religious "genius" is either an imposter or half of his brain is dim.
    However, it was said that there is a thin thread between the genius and a mad man.

  446. The son of human is human,
    the son of god is god.

  447. Fatima you are obsessed with goats. You seem to be almost as mentally unstable as yours truly. Go and get a boyfriend to use as your plaything. Just leave me alone.

  448. You are facing some sexual frustration or arousal problems. Your question is rational discussion for stress management for your real problems.

    Pull someone who is facing same problems and manage your stress.This might be of least interest for others.

  449. Hey i am still waiting for your reply.

    I think Goats if they are obeying Allah should know and follow the best thing Allah created.

  450. Seriously just cut out. I already know I am one of Nietzsche’s supermen. I don’t need a mere mortal like you to tell me that.

  451. Truth Seeker wrote: If God is exist HE is always blissful and never get affected if someone believe in him or not.

    You are right.
    Jews and the Bible are wrong, when it is said, that Israel is the chosen people of God.
    God is not a racist. God has no chosen people.
    Same counts for muslims.

    But you Truth Seeker are wrong too.
    You write God, and think God is a HE.
    God is not male.

  452. what kind of God allah is…
    Ali Sina have more places written that God Allah is Satan. The Deciever.
    And thats why islamic sites ban your post

  453. Menirva wrote: … Christians consider Jesus a God.
    No. Not true.
    Christians consider Jesus to be the son of God.
    But born as a human.
    Something quite different.

    I agree with knowTheEnemy in most in the above post, but Jesus is not known as a prophet.
    Prophets in the Bible are these who predict the comming of Jesus.
    Jesus did not predict his own coming.
    He came.

  454. What if you're wrong
    answer by an exmuslim atheist http://pureinertia.blogspot.in/2012/06/i-received

  455. enlightened25 I recognise you are the most intelligent person on this forum. Your intelligence is not surpassed by any other. Keep it up!

  456. Yes you are correct, but how do you know goats will not conquer anything for Islam. Even goats will recognise the best thing that Allah ever created.

  457. I don’t think goats are going to conquer anything for Islam any time soon. I think you should go back to your original plan of seducing the infidel men – no doubt a Slut such as your self would be very good at that. Even better than those Muslim “bad boys”, who sweep those western women of their feet, enslave them and then get them to produce more soldiers for Allah. Insha'Allah by implementing your genius plan, Islam will conquer faster than ever, Alhamdulillah.

  458. Oh I didn't know this part that everything is already muslim.

    So if all the goats are already muslim how come they stay with non-muslim family instead of running away to a muslim owner?

    If this is the case they goats are not obeying Allah, they should only be with muslims so that Islam will be bigger and bigger!

  459. No, the comparision between Jesus and Mohammad is not justified, because the Christians consider Jesus a god. How can you compare a god to a human being?

  460. Their is no such thing as "islamic goats" or "infidel goats". Remember everything in nature (except humans)automatically submits to the will of Allah. So all goats are already muslim.

  461. Enlightened25 but what can we do to make Islamic goats dominate infidel goats since you are so sure Muhammad met some goats.

  462. Terse and to the point!

  463. "if it is allowed for a female muslim goat to mate with a male Muslim goat" I am sure Muhammed came across goats in his time and as far as I know he never said anything about goats mating.

  464. Enlightened25, it's not a joke I thought Ali was correct but now I see everything clearly. Forget about dark fire am telling you that even if Muhammad strangled your dad in front of your mum, she would still have fell in love with him instantly, you may not believe it but it is true many other women did the same because he was the best thing that Allah created. See if you gave your mothe the Sira and she read ith she would fall in love with him. In fact if you are not careful on the last day he may even snatch your wive….ok this one is a joke, I think he has had enough already. By the way do you have any good imam who is your friend, can you ask him if it is allowed for a female muslim goat to mate with a male Muslim goat because Iwant to make sure that Islam dominates everything..Everything.

  465. "Why are you calling what i wrote a joke?" You can drop the act LOL, your first comment to Ali Sina is at the top of this page.

    "he was so good women many women were dieing to sleep with him" Yeah he used to get even more pussy than darkfire, thats how good he was.

  466. Alt+Q please is it Halal for a Muslim female goat or cow to mate with a male non Muslim goat. I ask this because I want to make sure that Islam dominates everything.

  467. Enlightened25 you are not correct race war and hunger is not bad it lets the bad people die off especially if the are unbelievers. This is why the prophet deported the Jews from Medina. It is quite effective.

  468. Enlightened25, I am a bit disappointed with u I thought you were on our side when you said Muslims should not denounce the so called terrorists even the do jihad in the name of Islam. Why are you calling what i wrote a joke? I thought you will agree with me? If for example the US senate says that Muslim women whose husbands are killed are halal for those american soldiers or that the can sell muslim women as slaves which you know Allah will not like, of couse I will like not ask Americans to appologise for that. It is not good for them to apologise for the hurt caused by their constitution or their sharia. And how dare you say the Propht is not perfect, this man was the sweetest thing before honey he never did anything wrong. Look he was so good women many women were dieing to sleep with him even if his brave soldiers had killed their husband. Have you ever seen this kind of sweetness before see even you mother will leave your father to marry the Prophet. Even the Arabs were falling over to buy slave from him, his slaves were holy slaves. It is bad there is no slavery today even you would have loved to be his slave. If you are not Muslim you should join Islam so that you will have a lot of peace.

  469. I think this is hilarious. Enlightened is so absurd in his beliefs and his reasoning is so schizophrenic and ego-centric that Muslims actually feel they can relate to him.

  470. If some people followed spiderman then it is logical to compare spiderman to Winston Churchill since both don't exist in the present time and the people are following what they represent.

    Besides how do you decide if a person is fictional or real?
    Dr Sina could be fictional, i mean you haven't seen him right?

    You have an ID, meaning your name and profile are Archived in your country therefore if you become a historical figure, no one can say you were fictional.

    The Jews were almost the only ancient people who kept records of everyone (Royal or not). Even the royal British family doesn't go that way back in the family tree. So Jesus indeed came to this world and his bloodline is tracked and Archived.
    In addition to that, you have the relics that have been found concerning Jesus himself. I mean you can be sure that Jesus is real more than Mohammad himself.

  471. Can't wait to see how Enlightened25 will handle you :)

  472. Are you for real or just being sarcastic?
    What a Joke!

  473. Fatima thank you for this piece of comedy it made me laugh, maybe you could even go to business with Pat Condell? Food for thought. But you really need to learn some taqiyya skills from those Muslims practicing “stealth jihad”. “Is there any particular sexual position that you can prescribe to make this happen?” Consult the sunnah their must be something in their about that, don’t know if he would of approved of women shagging their way to the top though. He wasn’t a big believer in the equality of the sexes, well no one is perfect are they? (I hope you like my own touch of comedy it was almost as good as yours LOL.)

  474. Leave Hindus out of this and stop insulting them, this is between you and me. You are talking about them kind of like behind their back, which is a sleazy act of cowardliness. When you see Hindu getting into our conversation then you're free to bring him in because in that case he can defend himself.

    Plus, if you're going to debate, at least act smart and try to come up with actual logical arguments. I mean com'on! "Calling GOD as father but why you forgot mother " how stupider can your argument be? You can make a robot, or adopt a son and still be able to call yourself a father. It's just a language. Besides God (like our spirits) has no Gender. Only flesh have gender.

    Now getting back to our subject, I'll let slide that you – a Muslim – trying to teach me about Trinity through a page about "Shield of the Trinity" not Trinity and on Wikipedia (a website that anyone can modify).
    Assuming that this shield is describing Trinity. The shield obviously says that The Father, The Son and The Holy spirit are the one GOD. You only wanted to show me this page because you saw the "NON EST" on the diagram on the shield like "The Father is not The Son"… That doesn't contradict anything that I said before and doesn't mean polytheism. According to your 99 names of Allah, you have An-Nur (The Light), Ad-Darr (The Harmful), As-Salam (The Peace). Now you tell me if what I'm saying is wrong:

    - The Light is not The Harmful. (and vice versa)
    - The Harmful is not The Peace. (and vice versa)
    - The Peace is not The Light. (and vice versa)
    You can draw a diagram with 99 angles in your case!

    Your flawed logic in handling the Trinity leads to falsifying your god and makes you a polytheist yourself. The diagram is right, The Father is not The Son just like Peace is Not light but both are the One God (not two separate Gods). If your mind is too thick to understand, that's not my problem.

    I'll repeat my question again: God the all powerful, can't he be have three figures, status or whatever at the same time? be careful of what answer, you may commit blasphemy against your precious Islam.

    About analyzing my person, I'd say only brainwashed Muslims such as yourself would agree with you. You can't even make logical links between the arguments I've given . Your knowledge, just like your arguments, is superficial.

    - "Islamophobiac = You admitted for accusing Muslims as in general " Reread my argument before such baseless idiocy comes out of your mouth. (and FYI, yes I have relationships with Muslims, mostly Arabs. At least I read and understood your Quran in Arabic, something that you probably didn't do)
    - "You deny non biased authentic sources " Please don't make me laugh more. Let's assume that the sources are "unbiased" and "authentic" (which is not the case) any source must gather statistics from facilities located at dictatorial countries. I've been to such countries and i know how they gather statistics.
    - "Blaming Islam and Muslim are responsible for rapes around world" reread my argument, i was being sarcastic.
    - "Blaming Islam and Muslim are responsible for killings " Spare me the statistics of your Muslim dictatorial countries. These are far from the truth. See what's going on in Syria right now, you're telling me these are Christians massacring each others?

    "Result : I have pawned you" That's what a Muslim narcissist would think. Your arguments are a joke, any sane person can see that.

  475. One of the problems I have though is that do you know anyway a muslim woman have sex with a non-muslim man so that it will help Islam keep Islam on top or at least equal and help it not to be dominated? Is there any particular sexual position that you can prescribe to make this happen?

    This is because I know and want Islam to dominate everything.

    Also how can I do this so that if a goat belongs to a muslim it can dominate another goat that belongs to a Christian or Jew and those of everbody?

    Ali Sina say that the prophet is not strong, he doesnt know that the prophet was so strong he was not allowed to fight so that he does not kill so many people. That is why many of the Sahabas were always around him to stop him from using his great and mighty power of 5000 men.

    Even when he was with that Jewish woman, Sufiyyah, another guard stood around to make sure the strenght of the Prophet will not be too much for Sufiyyah.

  476. The problem is that I do not know how they are able to hide amongst other muslims, learn some Quran and Arabic and then start killing all those people who have insulted the Holy Prophet and muslim women.

    I do not know why these pagans and Christians are fighting for Muslims with suicide bombing thereby giving Islam a bad name. They should leave muslims to fight the holy Jihad by the hands of the Mujahadin. That way the muslims will do it the best way.

  477. Dear Enlightened25, I have seen your very strong defence for Islam and everybody here knows that you are very right.

    The truth is that actually the muslims should be silent on these crimes, they do not owe anybody any apologies and they do not have any reason to denounce Islam.

    That fact is that Osama bin Laden, and all the other so called terrorists are either Christians or pagans and worse Jews. Or they are just film tricks that never happened.

    And in fact the people committing this crimes like the one called Osama bin Laden and those ones who are claimed to have committed the train bombing in london are not even muslims.

    They are pagans or even worse Christians or Jews, if only they read the very Holy Quran, they would have had peace.

    So anybody who says muslims should apologize does not know the truth.

  478. “Almost all civil unrest throughout the world arises where Muslims are to be found” There is much civil unrest in the world, all of which has many various different causes and many of which doesn’t involve Muslims. “It is the cuckoo in the western nest which displaces others there and demands everything for itself.” That sounds very much like the American “culture”, the culture of might is right, materialism and bulls***. “Fear can encourage action.” Indeed Wilders plays on people’s fears and what kind of action is he encouraging? Deportation of millions of people by force from their homes and property, something no sane government would try as they know what the result would be – Riots, “race wars”, ethic cleaning and maybe even genocide.

    “And how dare you compare European politicians, corrupt though some of them may be, to the many excuses for humanity which "govern" whole countries by sharia, where corruption is the rule rather than the exception to it?” I did not compare anything such thing, you liar so this is simple a straw man.

  479. "Why is that?" Why should they? They don’t commit those crimes nor do they condone. When someone of your race, nationality, religion (or whatever it might be) commits an horrific crime do you go and protest? Is the blood on your hands? Are you guilty of your crimes? No you are not, just like the Muslims are not.

    “Silence from them = support.” You don’t know that unless you can read people’s minds and convict people of thought crimes – which you can’t .

    “In 2011 there were 53 sharia courts in the UK” What do these sharia courts do exactly? No this is not evidence of a large scale invasion of Britain by Muslims, just fear mongering hype.

  480. Are you a psychiatrist? If so, you should go into treatment yourself and not see any patients. If not, then you have no right whatsoever to decide who is psychotic and who not.

    (Incidentally, it is at least a sign of mental disturbance to react as you have done to Ali Sina's criticism of your prophet who was after all a human being with many, many faults).

    And as for "Magical thinking, Arrogance, Envy, Entitlement, Exploitation, Bad boundaries" – anyone can see these in pronouncements by Muslim leaders, particularly the exaggerated sense of entitlement, and the sort of magical thinking that has people like you taking literally the burblings of a madman is evident everywhere you fools try to spread your da'wah. Envy is there in spades – particularly of the Jews who are successful because they work hard and don't expect success to be handed to them without working for it, unlike the slaves of your prophet.

    Exploitation, particularly where slavery is endemic in Muslim countries and more latterly of underage white girls by Muslim men in the UK who treat them like things and make money from pimping them out to other men like them.

    Bad boundaries somehow doesn't belong here and I doubt that you know what you mean when you refer to them, but if you insist: Islam demands to be in every part of its slaves' lives. It knows no boundaries and takes Muslims over. That is a prime example of what you call "bad boundaries."

  481. And you are a victim of paranoid projection.

    What on earth has homeopathy to do with this?

    There is no such animal as Islamophobia. It's made up by people like you to stifle criticism of the execrable behaviour of Muslims at the interface with wider society and too much use of it cheapens what you think it means.

    As a matter of interest, do you think that Islamic antisemitism is mounting in Europe? Why do you think that is? Has it something to do with the innate Muslim jealousy of Jewish success and prowess as well as the blind and literal allegiance to the Muslim prophet whom they are ordered to imitate who was also perniciously and psychotically jealous of Jews?

  482. The fact remains that very few Muslims have the courage to stand up and condemn the violence in the name of Islam. Why is that?

    Silence from them = support. You cannot argue that "most" Muslims do not support violence by their headmessed co-religionists if they are obviously deaf, dumb and blind to that violence.

    In 2011 there were 53 sharia courts in the UK

    You should learn one golden rule here if you learn nothing else – when you are in a hole (and you obviously are) stop digging.

  483. Almost all civil unrest throughout the world arises where Muslims are to be found in any significant numbers and is from Islam's creation of fitna in its attempts to impose its dark age values on surrounding societies. The current mess that Europe is in is because it made the cardinal mistake of apprehending Islam as being like it in its attitude to society, to family, to women, to other people, rather than seeing it for what it really was. Islam is not mutualistic, inclusive or peaceable or content to live alongside others. It is the cuckoo in the western nest which displaces others there and demands everything for itself. Geert Wilders is brave enough to name Islam for the parasite that it is and if that provokes fear, then so be it. Fear can encourage action. Europe should have banned immigration from Muslim countries immediately after 9/11 instead of trying to understand why these animals should perpetrate such outrages.

    And how dare you compare European politicians, corrupt though some of them may be, to the many excuses for humanity which "govern" whole countries by sharia, where corruption is the rule rather than the exception to it?

    Islam will never take root in the West. We are too self-aware and knowledgeable to be fooled by it or to be enslaved by it.

  484. The fools can think whatever they want. Wiser people have no difficulty understanding me. My answer was given in the article. I said Jesus in my opinion is a composite myth and God is not needed for the creation. However, this argument is a mere parenthesis, the argument in this article is to compare Jesus and Muhammad, with the assumption that both of them were real. But I don\’t think both of them were real. Only Muhammad was real.

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  486. I won't blame you if you come out of denial mode haha. You may need me to spoon feed you I don't know !

  487. Don't be shy that you worship god in human form like Hindus do
    Don't be shy you worship statue of god like Hindus do
    Calling GOD as father but why you forgot mother who give birth. Father or mother is not creator s/he is only element in the process of creation.

    Know what is Trinity . I always use non-biased source this is from wiki

    You are Pagan like Hindus , Polytheist
    You are Idolators like Hindus
    You are Hypocrite hiding truth (eg trinity)

    As a person you have been proved
    Islamophobiac = You admitted for accusing Muslims as in general contradicting yourself for having relationship with them for real and involved in practice of discriminating against Muslims.
    Psychotic = You deny non biased authentic sources of information calling those baseless but dwell in your biased version inspired by conspirators and believe those are truth.
    1. Statistics of prediction of any political result don't prove actual statistics = false
    2. Blaming Islam and Muslim are responsible for rapes around world = false ( Most rapes happens in country Lesotho having 90% christian population)
    3.Blaming Islam and Muslim are responsible for killings ( Counting numbers of victims Muslim countries or countries with dense Muslim population not in top 30)

    As a christian you have been proved
    Polytheist = xplained as above
    Idolators = xplained as above
    Hypocrite = xplained as above

    Result : I have pawned you.

  488. @Alt+QQ:

    Your response was hard to interpret in terms of the question I had posed to you. When you can put together an intelligible and relevant response please do contact me. For example you kept stating "You admit…". I did not admit anything in my question.

    And your new revised, shorter 4-item "list" neither addressed my request to show me where it says these are sufficient and necessary conditions nor gave specific examples of Ali Sina's alleged "destructive narcissism". In fact by changing your list, you just proved the contrary. Oops!

  489. Yes, even Hitler was influential. He had a good following among his Nazis.

  490. That is my purpose behind visiting this site.

  491. @ Ali Sina

    I can accept your example of Hitler, and that he sacrified people to achieve his goal.
    But your example of Jesus………………I am speechless, since you claim that you are an athiest.
    Athiests don't believe that Jesus existed, and they strongly believe that he was an imaginary
    character. What is your goal behind glorifying a fictional character, while inwardly you do
    not believe that he was there? I think even a fool knows the answer.

  492. You seem like a nice young girl. A girl to girl advice: don't put high hopes on men you barely know or don't know in person. You may miss a chance with someone special waiting for you in your real life.
    As far as we know, maybe Mr Sina is in a relationship or too old for you (no offense Dr Sina).

  493. Don't be saddened Dr Sina, it's not just you, many are like you and you're not doing anything wrong.
    If evidence is what you need to be happy and find hope, that is easy, an evidence was left intentionally to all of us, you can not only put your hand on the wound, you can choose which wound.

    PS: you already have the Holy Spirit. Many can see that.

  494. sun don't be hard on Dr Sina, he is not to blame for his thoughts. If he understands Jesus, if he's a good person, wouldn't that be enough?

    Remember Thomas was with Jesus the whole time, saw everything, yet he wanted to put his finger in the wound to believe. And Jesus gave him the chance to do so.
    Sina or anyone like him are not to blame, with everything that is happening in the world, it is becoming harder to believe. Even many who call themselves Christians don't know that means.