I’ve been getting tons of emails from everyone wondering what’s happening with Faithfreedom.org.
We haven’t been hacked or anything like that. The site is just fine, and undergoing a much-needed server upgrade.
Here’s the basic story why it’s not up and running yet.
We purchased a new more powerful server with the same hosting company. Since we don’t have a system administrator we paid the technicians of the company to migrate the data from the old server to the new server.
They moved a few minor sites including alisina.org but neglected to move the files for the faithfreedom.org site. For few days we tried to figure out why that site was not working and they gave us instructions to follow. At the end it became clear that they had not migrated all the data. But by then, the old server was cancelled and they would not restore it unless we paid again. The backup that was also on the old server was corrupted.
Now, this is utterly unethical but I had to pay anything they asked or say goodbye to faithfreedom.org with its 4000 external links. Being in no position to bargain I greed and this month I am paying for two servers. It still took them sometime to move the data.
Finally they said the migration is complete. But as our web master found out, it is not. They have not moved the php files and as the result most of the sites on faihtfreedom.org domain don’t work yet. We’re waiting for them to move the php files and then our webmaster has to do some work to make the site work properly.
We really need a system administrator . I used technicians from odesk to do some administrative and web design work. I’ve spent thousands of dollars so far and as everyone can see we still don’t have a decent template and much of the features don’t work. Odesk is a fast way to lose your money and get nothing in exchange. Few people over there know their trade.
Sorry for all this. We are doing our best. Please be patient. A few months ago we had a similar problem with this server provider. They are not really a hosting company. They lease servers. Their servers are great and powerful but their clients are mostly hosting companies who have their own sysadmins. In our case we are at their mercy. Until a couple of years ago we had volunteers who took care of our servers.
Faithfreedom.org will be back and hopefully with our new server that has Intel Core2Quad Q9550 core, 8GB DDR2 RAM and 1TB Enterprise SATAb Hard Drive, we should be able to sustain the load for a couple more years.
It would be nice to find a new sysadmin volunteer. This site is not a commercial site. I pay the cost of the server from my pocket and donations have pretty much dried up. I will still keep these sites as long as I can afford.
Thank God,it is back!It's the most powerful site to expose the myth of Islam.
Actually i think more than the connection with Terror,it is the conception of "Only True Religion' that has kept the problem alive.We have to hit this concept which divides people with inequality on basis of faith.Most Muslims are not related with Terror but this concept corrupts their mind to an extent which brings forth intolerance or uncivilized,unscientific activities.
I suggest to take on Islam from the scientific point of view more that's why.
Truth is when all your neighbor want to build a twin mosque while you reject the unlogic reasons. Truth is majority and majority is truth. When majority accept killing infidels then it will be the truth.
Well I have not noticed any anomaly. And since I am able to read your comment I assume it should work for you too.
Mr.Sina what is going on everything is Topsy-tervi,I can't access u,why?,if I access ,some post are either lost (or deleted) or simply disappeared, what is the reason? .Are their intruder ,i hope so ,because they failed miserably in containing you .Now they have recoursed to that old kind of killing apostate's stance ,since they can;t kill you physically ,it seems, they are trying to satisfy them self with log jamming your cite.
@Faizi
_____________Ali sina actually you have no solution or system for this world you are just rejecting everything__________
How can you say Ali Sina rejects everything?
I never saw Ali Sina rejects everything but his most of the views in the line of Veda. He says what actually Veda also saying like this
Yajurved 19.77
- All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
-Ali Sina does not believe in concept in which God sends prophet/postmen which is line of Veda.
-Ali Sina does not believe in concept where God is praise loving dictator who punishes the people if he fails to get worship from them. That is also Vedic teaching.
- Ali Sina also believes if there is any knowledge of God it is perfect, and unchangeable. But Quran says God changes his laws according to prophets.
_____hatemonger who is fully paid for his hatemongering____
Do you not think Mohammed was biggest hatemonger of the world ever born who called the non-believers in him worst of creatures and looted their property and women . Ali Sina at least never call non-believer in him worst creatures neither believing looting their property and woman.
http://agniveer.com/why-did-god-create-us/
Why did God create us?
Ali sina actually you have no solution or system for this world you are just rejecting everything. We can’t show any example because you are not only flately rejecting but also giving vile argument that hindus should destroy 100 times more masjid and should butcher all muslims? Only a sane person can believe on you and hatemonger aryasamjis praising you. Aryasamjis always claim that ali sina believe in logic but i have proved that you have nothing except filth. After reading your last argument i have comt to the conclusion that there is no need to talk with a hatemonger who is fully paid for his hatemongering.
No one can have such hate for his relatives as you claim that you are ex-MUSLIM???
BTW i can give a simile to your last post that your last post is like if an street wandering stray dog shit in front of your main door then you can’t complain his animal and un civilised behaviour because everyone will say that it is dog and it is supposed to do so. You are same like street dog you have nothing to support except hatemongering and we can’t complaint to your jews masters for it because you will never accept that you are jew.
Suppose a hindu mob rape a muslim girl then i can’t say that muslim should rape any hindu girl because rape is not allowed in Islam. I can’t justify if any sane so called muslim destroy any temple because it is not allowed in islam. I can’t abuse hindus deities because i have to follow Quran but i can’t expect anything from you. So you are free to spread hatred and wait untill the day of judgement.
Check this out dude
http://www.islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-…
What is it meant then ,!! in the heaven Alla will provide you with 72 virgin girls and 20 pre- pubic boy's!!,to the men reaching or elevated there.
@aminriadh… just one reference… one reference where I said I was going to give you a "big refutation." Just one… small… tiny… wee… reference where I said that? Yep… we're going to be waiting a LONG time… aren't we?
You're like a professional dust stirrer… have the arab royal family hired you to come here and stir dust? I bet they have…
Nothing you ever post has any substance… and now you're actually putting words into my mouth… nice tactic… so… we'll see who's the liar… can you please show us where I made the statement that I would give you the "big refutation?" If you cannot… you are proven to be the liar… it should be easy… since I've responded to your posts using intense debate, which you can look through and see… I'll be waiting… a LONG time for that supposed promise of giving you a "big refutation." But… I'm patient…
J Stillwater
"@aminriadh… I never said I was going to give you a "big refutation." I never claimed anything of the sort…"
You are already EXPOSED.
Stopped this NONSENSICAL LIES.
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Your comments here prove otherwise.
@aminriadh… I never said I was going to give you a "big refutation." I never claimed anything of the sort… I said I was going to prove muhammad committed adultery with his adopted son's wife (she was not legally divorced, which I will prove)… but that has now expanded to include the fact that he committed blasphemy also… when he claimed that it was god who made him lust after his adopted son's wife when she was still married… and then said it was god who orchestrated the divorce… divorce… a thing which god hates… anyway… patience… it will all be done soon…
I asked you about the ten commandments because my article is based on the discussion we have been having… but you know you cannot answer that question either yes, or no… and you know you cannot say they are corrupted… in other words… the ten commandments are the bane of muslims… and I'm going to prove this…
J Stillwater
"@aminriadh… wow… so you've stopped logging into intensedebate for some of your posts… any reason why?"
I have other WordPress accounts.
When there is conflict
One gets logged out.
Hence I posted under "aminthemystic" as well.
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You are defeated . . . as this BIG REFUTATION of me has NOT arrived.
@aminriadh… wow… so you've stopped logging into intensedebate for some of your posts… any reason why? Is this because people can track your answers through intensedebate?
I must have missed where you "defeated" me… as far as I knew… I was tasked with proving an argument I made about muhammad… I didn't know there was a time limit on it… but please… can you show me where you "defeated" me? If I'm suffering from Alzheimer's disease, I will need to remember to have that checked.
Also… not being able to read minds is a perfectly good reason why someone should ask questions…
Finally… people have brains… yes… and they make "educated" guesses… yes… but didn't you say that flying to heaven on a mule-like creature was perfectly possible? Is that an educated guess? Are you using your brain when you make that statement?
J Stillwater
"so I post to people who seem to be muslims willing to enter the discussion"
I did.
I defeated you – which sent you spinning.
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People have brains – by using it they make judgements and educated guesses.
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" oh… and since I don't read minds, I cannot know who will, and who will not read or answer my request for this information."
This is a poor excuse.
@aminriadh… oh… and since I don't read minds, I cannot know who will, and who will not read or answer my request for this information… so I post to people who seem to be muslims willing to enter the discussion… if they answer, great. If they don't…. that's okay also… I will either get lots of silence from muslims on this… which is actually the best answer I could hope for… or I will get some brave muslim to come forward and engage me on this issue so I can get it clarified for my article…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… the reason I'm asking other people is because you've refused to answer the question and because you've silenced Ali so that he cannot answer the question either… The reason I want an answer to the question is because muslims keep saying the bible is corrupted… so I don't want to use, in my upcoming argument, any sources that are questionable to muslims… for example, I'm not using references from the hadiths… only from the qur'an and the tafsirs… so, since muslims keep saying the bible is corrupted, but the messengers are okay… I need to know if muslims believe the story about the ten commandments and what they contain… since they were said to have been written by the hand of god, and since the jews carried them around in a gold box for so many years… I think you can see why I would ask this question, right?
J Stillwater
You have not brought clear evidence to his statements. That is the problem, you are asking him to do something, you, yourself are not doing. Go somewhere else an irritate others with you lack of clear evidence.
wikipedia is not a valid source of information, it has peoples personal opinion with facts, so cannot be considered a valid source. I would rather go to a reliant source of information.
Nice . . . . asking those who probably wont read this or answer!
@faizfaizi… Do you believe that Moses actually received ten commandments on tablets of stone? Simple question… either you believe Moses received the ten commandments, or you believe he didn't…
J Stillwater
There we have it!
When it suits these people – they start ranting about EVIDENCE – when it doesn't . . . they come with this.
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This person was NEVER a Muslim. See – the hate emanating . . . this is taught hate. Hence why such people gather around the darkness that is Sina.
Interestingly enough . . .. . Ali Sina is NOT his name . . .
Look at his profile.
The name mentioned is Jonathon Harrell.
Follow to his alleged Twitter account from that page . . . there is some other BS made up name.
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So if he can make up so many names . . . .. Abid can be another one his incarnations.
Muammad was an sodomy expert, even with young boys. That is why his true followers Arabian Sheikhs start ( do Bismillah) from back side after marriage or before. Truelly, they are true followers of Pedophile Sodomic Prophet.
@Ali… which is more bizarre, believing in father christmas… or peace on earth… or… believing that muhammad flew to heaven on al burak? We all have strange beliefs… but some of those beliefs are plausible (i.e. world peace), and some are just plain insane (i.e. flying on a winged mule-like creature to heaven… without a space suit… oxygen… something to guard against space temperatures, and the crushing vacuum of space… not to mention goggles to protect the eyes from the wind… and finally…. some kind of outer capsule to protect both muhammad and the winged horsey from being vaporized into a ball of stinky flames upon re-entery to the earth's atmosphere…
Yes… some things are just too strange to believe… world peace, thankfully… is not one of them… (provided of course we can get muslims to see the insanity in that winged horse story).
J Stillwater
@Rainbow… two fallacies you've committed in your reply that I want to point out to you… as you know, a fallacy is a fault in a person's reasoning…
The first one you committed above is called the "genetic fallacy." You stated: "The source of information about Islam should be
neutral, to be acceptable." This claim is false, and commits the genetic fallacy. A person commits this fallacy when they focus on the source of the information instead of focusing on the actual argument being put forth or the actual information. The source of the information is not relevant… the only thing that matters is the information itself…
The second fallacy you commit is called "Question-begging Epithet," and your comment is a classic example of it… when you write "no sane person trusts it," begs the question because it creates a circular argument… i.e. it contains in the conclusion, a claim that needs to be proven… and is therefore circular.
J Stillwater
"Look at your own words. You have no shame whatsoever. You don't realize the reason America went to these backward countries was to help them get rid of their dictators and learn how to become democratic nations. "
So why didn't they?
Why was this sold in lies?
The 45 minutes WMD lie?
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Why wasn't Saddam removed straight after 1st gulf war?
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Why is it Saddam was openly sup[ported by West against Iran?
He was "Our Bastard"?
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IT IS YOU WHO HAS NO SHAME!!!!!!
Your deception . . . and HATE is sickening.
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"Americans don't understand the Muslim mind and they are puzzled, wondering why Muslims hate them when they have done so much to help Muslims."
Where?
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"Politicians must read my book Understanding Muhammad and Muslims to know their enemy. "
Oh that rubbish!
Mistake on every inch!
You did NOT even know what the nature of fallacy is. . . it is LAUGHABLY bad . . . and poor!
It is useless drivel.
I can prove this over and over and over . . . .
Its dismal failure speaks for itself.
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"I have not hear any Muslim thanking America for helping the Afghans"
Killing them more like.
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See – how you have SOLD your self!
"They wasted billions of dollars to bring democracy and freedom to those savages. Little they know that Islam and democracy are incompatible."
More deception and delusions . . . which democracy? hat are you talking about? Iraq was NOT brought ANY democracy . . . USA and it war had NOTHING to do with democracy.
It was an old boy adventure . . . . Bush was ordered by God:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq….
When it suited USA – Saddam was a pet "Bastard".
When the Bastard turned against the Master.
Master came to put him out.
That is all . . . . I mean those who rose up against Saddam . .. . then USA did not come to help. He killed them all.
So why didn't USA remove him after 1st Gulf war?
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"If I were the president of the USA I would have bombed Afghanistan and Iraq back to stone age and left them alone. "
There you go! See the lie . . . . of NON-VIOLENCE!
Haven't I been saying this. If you had any power – YOU would KILL all Muslims.
What was it that Iraq did?
Oh brave Afghanistan . . . which despite ALL USA superiority it has fail to win.
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" But the naive Americans foolishly spent billions of dollars to bring democracy to savages."
Where this is BS.
They spent billions – looting . . . . Fine pieces of Iraq Museum will be in praivate collection of Dick Cheyney and Rumsfeld.
What was it that he said . . . . "It is NOT by design". [paraphrase]
This is when USA had protected all of the oil ministry – but left the museum alone.
Cut the crap . . . what billions on democracy?
Iraq is a rich country. Massive oil reserves . . . likes of KSA, UAE, Oman, Kuwait. . . are busy transforming themselves. Without any intervention from USA. . . . so which billions?
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"America has stood out of Iran and has not given them a dime and most Iranians love America."
Sure . . . the love is demonstrated EVERY Friday after prayers!
No sonny – they're big-hearted and mostly kind people.
Very artistic and creative. And intelligent.
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@Sakat,
Very good analogy. I like the answer as well. Very Good!!!!
Thanks,
Kama Sutra shows,how one should have healthy sexual relations(as according to nature),no were it reflect sudemy,gay sex ,lesbian sex or child sex ,it is beyond your primitive mind ,you have borrowed raping of 6 year old (pre-mature ) girls from your ugly psychopath Mohammed.
lady I appreciate your feeling (MS),don't give serious thought to it.
Ali, it seems you have followed the same trick, primitive ,uneducated unethical people are not encouraged in west ,you might have reached there as illegal immigrant or using Taqqiya love over western woman.If it so i am little worried about your western wife .Read the heartening article of a western lady here in this cite, then you will understand what i mean . For your kind information my family owns soft-were concern in silicon valley.We have 300 staff's working and most of them are white people.I have explored whole earth except Antarctica and Arctic, to know whether this earth is flat or so .I am fond of my Santana Dharma,the quest to learn it more from core brought me to this picturesque Himalayan Vally ,now I am hermit like Buddha and my abode is Himalaya.
Dear Mr Sakat, I regret to inform you that I only have eyes for the founder of FFI and you know that I truly love him very much.
Whether Idol is God ,a priest when enters the temple for morning adulation ,he asks for forgiveness from that “infinite entity “for the three sin’s he is going to commit next ,and they are 1.Oh god I know you are formless ,yet I am bringing you here in the form of idol ,this is my first sin.2. Oh God I know you are all pervading yet I confine you in this temple ,this my second sin .3.Oh god I know that you are non characteristic yet I am attaching you many characters this is my third sin. Since time immemorial this practice is followed in each and every temple ceremoniously. So those who think Hindu’s worship Idol here note this fact. All Hindu’s known idol is not God yet it is god, let me explain it in simple way. Suppose a person is thirsty, to quench his thirst he will naturally drink water. Will he go to the ocean and drink whole water, was it possible for him. He need only a liter or so water at a time, so he will pick a glass fill the water and drink it. One should note, that when the water is filled in the glass, the water occupy’s the shape of that glass, the person is not bothered about the glass, but in the water contained in that glass. Here the glass is only a medium, which is necessary to fill the water, which will ultimately quench the thirst of that person. In the same way, human mind has got limited perception, so it cannot comprehend the infinite one. Therefore our ancestors after many research had found that without any medium one cannot realize the ultimate reality .One more thing, in every matter this ultimate reality exist .The idol also contain this ultimate reality, by many kind of rituals prescribed in the Veda, the infinite god is invoked in these idols and thus infinite comes in the form of finite to help and guide the seeker. It is like filling the infinite water into a finite glass which is enough to quench our thirst. Being a finite, Muslims wants to comprehend the infinite without any success, see how violent has become your society.
re "You make a claim – you give reasoning or evidence for it. It is THAT simple. "
my simple claim is Islam is Shirk…
simple reason… When every quran of your cleric judge a person to death in the name of God, they have put themselves greater than God.. rather than wait for God's judgement Muslims take God's law into their own hands..
so prove why Islam is not shirk
Strange Ali..
you are the one that should live in fear.. say the wrong thing in Islam and you face death.
in the west we have the freedom of speech and the freedom to discover truth.. i know you do not understand this, now, but one day you will (maybe)
Ali,
which is worse..
Shirk .. Mulsims acting as Gods authority on earth Killing and murdering people?
or Praying to a a symbol which represents one of Gods creation?
But you guys are dancing to idols. Some with 6 arms, some with 18, some with elephant faces, some with monkey faces, some with 3 faces and some that look like diks, literally!
If that isn't a farce, what is?
You guys even dance to the Kama Sutra. Have you ever seen the positions? Just like your Hindu belief system. Impossible!
Dr. Sina:
Once again I stand in awe at your crystal-clear powers of logical reasoning and expression. Your last several comments on this thread point flatteringly to your lofty goals tempered by pragmatism. BRAVO! Many of us in the West can be informed by your excellent critical-thinking skills and your unique ability to translate your ideas so as to be fundamentally and irrefutably understood by almost everyone.
While I applaud the attempt at attaining those lofty goals, sadly, I fear that the more practical side of your argumental scenario is more likely, i.e., that we will need to resort to crushing islam through vastly incremental retaliatory violent measures. The pervasive muslim mindset will ultimately necessitate an overwhelming response.
I wanted to comment on two things:
1. The basis for all of your arguments is factual and rational. However, it is clear, especially from reading the comments of muslims in this forum, that your strong suit is [superior] Western Logic. The muslims posting here exhibit an almost complete lack of ability in that area; their comments are devoid of reason and rely heavily on logical fallacies, denial and projection. I have found this to be the case with ALL – and I repeat, ALL – muslims in similar circumstances, whether or not the subject is islam. My question is this: Considering the intense indoctrination present from birth in muslim society (as you yourself noted above), won't it be extremely difficult (if not entirely futile) to attempt reaching these populations with other than inferior "muslim logic"? I realize that there may be no viable alternative, but I feel as though it's like a college professor trying to educate preschoolers on college-level material. They may just be incapable of "getting it". (I have no solution to offer, the question is pretty much rhetorical.) While there may be many who are able to break free from the mold and comprehend a higher Truth, the task is daunting and formidable. You are a dedicated and courageous man, and a human being of a higher order, to choose such a humane approach first but maintain a follow-up approach to save the best part of humanity should your first attempt prove inadequate.
2. It is notable that muslims, in their propensity for projection, repeatedly ascribe to you ulterior financial motives. (Particularly guilty of this is "Ali", who even declares himself "financially better" than you, as if this says something commendable about him or his character. He frequently boasts about his financial status, as only primitives and nouveau-riche do. No one must have told him that the well-to-do with class NEVER brag about their wealth, as it is unseemly and low-class. Although to be fair, muslims don't typically have a concept of the idea of moral "character". They follow the example of a degenerate, after all, and hold him up to be an example of "high moral conduct" ! ! ! Until they can recognize the fallacy of this by Enlightened Western Civilization standards, they will be unfit to reside among us.) Anyone in the anti-islam business will tell you that it's a thankless job with little reward, financial or otherwise. For you, the reward of leading fellow human beings out of the darkness of islam must be considerable in order for you to endure the difficulties this line of work brings.
You have garnered the utmost respect and admiration from many of us in the anti-islam community with your tireless work. I look forward anxiously to the release of your film.
Best Regards,
CGW
It is pity ,that you have forgotten,that your ancestors were the highest knowledge oriented people,they knew the earth is not flat ,they knew the moon is not above the star ,they knew the sun is not circumscribing the earth ,they knew there is not shooting star,they knew earth is not the center but part of that grand design in this wast universe.The same is true with Egyptians ,this is true with Persians ,this is true with Sumerians .Think who is superior to whom.This is also true ,that this ugly barbarian Bedouin is tuning his flute since last 14 centuries from his grave and 1.5 billion people are dancing to this tune since then,poor Ali Sina. “In the kingdom of blind one eyed will be the king”, rightly said by some one.
@Sakat
There must be better ways of obtaining a Visa to leave India?
Unless of course Agracean is in India, then you are back to square one.
If he marries you ,we will loose FFI,to protect him I offer myself to you ,though not good as Sina or intelligent as he ,but assure you some what moderate.
The authorities are looking into Ali Sina.
Ask him.
Why do you think he is shaking in his boots? He is trying to remove the self incriminating evidence over the years under the guise of server problems.
You spare no one in your plugs just to make a quick buck Ali Sina?
Now it's 'Politicians must read my book Understanding Muhammad and Muslims to know their enemy'.
How about you leading by example and distributing the book for FREE around the world and we'll all read it.
Until such time you can give the book for FREE to everyone, you will simply be known as a deluded con man scam artist.
Prove us wrong?
(I won't hold my breath)
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, I understand your frustration with the American government. Don't you know that there is no limit to human stupidity at all? I think that Dr Albert Einstein haslong accepted the fact that humans are stupid beings before he return to the ground.
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, it has to do with conscience. Animals ie. tigers and lions kill their prey for food. They don't torture one another like humans do. Only humans abuse and torture animals. Why? All human beings are born with a built-in conscience, that teaches them love, kindness, compassion and most importantly, that there is a loving Creator God in this Universe. But when human beings lost their conscience, they started to think and behaved worst than animals and became bloodthirsty monsters instead ie. Hitler, Pol Pot.
When will this 62 years old Mr Rainbow grow up?
I wonder if the founder of FFI will marry me if he and I are alone in an uninhabited island?
You're brazenly wrong about Scientific method.A claim of evidence has to be validated by a reasonable number of peers to be even counted as Scientific.Everyday,thousands of papers are thrown into bins as 'peers' didn't find them convincing."
Like I've said before,no matter what evidence is shown,no matter what methods were used,even by the world's most brilliant minds…a materialist skeptic will never allow himself to accept it.There's many evidence published in peer reviewed journals.Here's a few.
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
There experiments concluded successful ESP results http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp…
Dean Radin (senior scientist at INS) positive results were published in Physics Essays http://physicsessays.org/doi/abs/10.4006/0836-139…
Princeton University published this piece on remote viewing by Professor Robert Jahn http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/2005-consciou…
Here's a list of peer reviewed papers published by Windbridge Institute http://www.windbridge.org/publications.htm#peer
“do you [see] what america ‘a civilised country’ is doing in afghabnistan, pakistn adn Iraq?”
Yes I can see what they did. They wasted billions of dollars to bring democracy and freedom to those savages. Little they know that Islam and democracy are incompatible. I knew it from the start. If I were the president of the USA I would have bombed Afghanistan and Iraq back to stone age and left them alone. Then Muslims would have respected America. Muslims are bullies and they respect power. But the naive Americans foolishly spent billions of dollars to bring democracy to savages. Now they are bankrupt and Muslims took all the billions of dollars in aid, and bit the hand of the one who fed them.
Americans are fools. To this day they are giving billions of dollars in aids to Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course they give it also to Egypt, Libya and many other Islamic countries. I don’t understand why they feed these ungrateful people Look at Iran. America has stood out of Iran and has not given them a dime and most Iranians love America. On the other hand the recipients of the American aids are all her enemies.
If I were the president of the US I would have pulled the American forces out of Islamic countries and stationed them somewhere close to destroy them should they pose a threat to the US. I would also stop paying them any money so they go hungry and be busy working for their dinner and don’t have time thinking of Jihad and conquering the world.
Look at your own words. You have no shame whatsoever. You don’t realize the reason America went to these backward countries was to help them get rid of their dictators and learn how to become democratic nations. Instead of being grateful, like your psychopath prophet, who was ungrateful to even his uncle and grandfather who raised him, you are ungrateful to those who help you.
Americans falsely assume that if a country becomes democratic dictators will have no opportunity to pose a threat to other countries and since democratic countries don’t initiate war, it is for the good of everyone, including America that all countries become democratic. What they don’t know is that Muslims don’t understand and don’t want democracy. They want dictatorship. They equate democracy to ochlocracy or rule of mobs and soon turn their democracies into anarchy.
Americans don’t understand the Muslim mind and they are puzzled, wondering why Muslims hate them when they have done so much to help Muslims. They don’t know Muslims are not fully evolved humans who don’t see the favors done to them as favors. The more you try to help them the bullier they become. Stop helping Muslim nations. Leave them alone and threaten them with destruction should they pose a threat to you and you will see how they change overnight and start acting like docile and civilized people. Politicians must read my book Understanding Muhammad and Muslims to know their enemy.
Accepting the fact that Muslims are sub-humans who do not reason like us is so hard for the westerners to swallow that they rather deny it. But truth will prevail. As more and more Muslims act the way they do, more and more people will realize I have been right all along and people like you prove my point.
I have not hear any Muslim thanking America for helping the Afghans, the Iraqis or any other Islamic country to become more civilized. It does not matter whether they are educated or not. They all say Americans are in Islamic countries because they want to kill them. These people have no shame. That is because they no conscience. They have no sense of justice, fairness or gratitude. Even dogs and cats show some gratitude when you feed them. Muslims won’t. They take what you give them and bite your hand.
Anywhere non-Muslims have acted with violence towards Muslims it has been a reaction to Islamic violence.
I am not a pacifist. I believe the bully will slap all your cheeks and then slit your throat. The bully understands one language alone and that is the language of violence. If he feels you are weak he will increase his violence. If he fears you he will stop and tries to be friendly.
The destruction of one mosque is not enough. When Muslims act with violence, burn innocent Hindu pilgrims or burn Hindu temples or churches, the reaction must not be proportionate but ten times more. If Muslims burn one Hindu temple, the Hindus must burn ten mosques or more. The reaction must be so severe that they regret having started the violence.
The idea is not tit for tat, but to end the violence and with the bully the only way to do it is to place your boot on his throat.
We have no other option but to end Islam. If we fail humanity will be in peril. So my hope is that through reasoning and showing Muslims the truth about their prophet they will awaken, will realize they are following a criminal cult leader and will leave Islam. If this fails we must be prepared to confront Islamic violence with devastating response. When they kill one of us we should not retaliate and kill one of them or go after the culprit. We know who the culprits are. The culprits are their ideology of hate and all those who uphold that ideology, which means all the Muslims. When they resort to violence we have to bring them to their knee. The governments are incapable to do that, therefore people must form an army of resistance against Muslims. People are not yet ready to do that and I hope Muslims will come to their senses and there will not be such a need ever. But if things don’t change, more and more people will realize it is either them or the Muslim invaders and I assure you, human instinct dictates self-protection and Muslims will no longer feel safe in non-Muslim countries. Let us hope my method of non-violence and education works or things can turn ugly.
There are two advantages to that. One is that it will stop the Islamic violence. Bully is a coward and Muslims are very coward. They only strike if they see their victim is not retaliating. Muslims are advised to not start the hostilities until they feel they are strong and can win. As long as they feel they may lose they have to make peace/truce, (hudnah). They will break the hudnah only when they are strong. With this crucial knowledge, we must keep them under our feet permanently. We should not give them technology, and we should not allow them to come to the west to steal our technology. We all know how Pakistan came to own the atomic bomb and the threat that his country poses to the region and the world.
The other advantage is that when Muslims are defeated they become demoralized and many of them will leave Islam. The only reason Muslims are becoming more radicalized these days is the false belief that they are winning. When their defeat becomes undeniable they will also lose their faith. This will weaken Islam and we will have some peace.
@faizi
"have you not seen peoples destroying mosques?"
Go to in Pakistan Bomb Blast in Mosque daily activity.
Mosque Bomb Blast Toll Hits 51: Horrifying Photos http://www.ibtimes.com/mosque-bomb-blast-toll-hit…
_________hvae you seen babri masjid________
Why Muslim broke lacs of temple of Hindu all over the world.
________if are loyal to Iran then how can you say that iranian's are sub-human___
Are u loyal for Your country India? Why do call 85% your Indian Hindu people worst of creature? In Islam loyalty for country, relative, friends does not matter. In Islam if your father, mother, brother, wife, son rejects Islam and Mohammed you are advised to reject them and kill them. Where is your loyalty for your country, father, mother, son, etc?
"an you imagine a group of Swedes or Canadian going to the street and burning mosques or any temple? This is unthinkable, but it happens in Islamic countries and no one sees that as an odd thing. Can you imagine a group of worshipers come out of the church, shouting and throwing their fists in the air and then going to a Jewish or Muslim cemetery and destroying the graves? "
have you not seen peoples destroying mosques? hvae you seen babri masjid? do you what america 'a civilised country' is doing in afghabnistan, pakistn adn Iraq? killing and raping is normal but you can never attach it to their religion. why america has destroyed iraq? where are WMDS? it seems you are totally prejudiced.
you are blind. if are loyal to Iran then how can you say that iranian's are sub-human? how could you beliueve such things to your relatives?
Maybe no Scientist of some repute found it credible enough to even investigate?
Russell Targ,Sir William Crookes,Dr Gary Scwartz,Proffessor David Fontana,Dr Jeffrey Long are reputable scientists who have investigated.The evidence is in all of their books.Show me a scientist who have debunked them
The evidence you provided to be scientific wasn't peer-reviewed and scientists later found problems in the methodology. "
What problems?The only problem I know of is that one referee found that the experiments were not repeated enough times.The experiments done at SRI was peer-reviewed by 3 referees before being pulished in Nature.
Anyway,the only reason I chose Geller's Papers because it mentions scientists as well as magicians testing a subject.
I submitted this book as evidence because (a) it disproves your argument that those phenomena can only be produced fraudulently
(b) the experiments were done by credible scientists and magicians.
(Although later another three psychologists/Scientists found flaws in the Scientific method of testing of Targ et al."
What flaws?Which scientists?
He failed before magicians,but managed to dupe two Scientists! "
I don't see how that clip exposed Geller as a fraud.Geller wasn't able to perform.He was not caught cheating,there's a difference.Usain Bolt can break world records but he's not able to do it on every whim.
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In Geller's Paper's,Uri was tested by 4 objective magicians,using their own controlled methods to detect sleight of hand.All 4 magicians concluded that under the conditions,no deception and fraud took place.
So why should I trust Randi who has no objectivity and not those 4 magicians.
I said if a 'claimed' miracle can be replicated by a sequence of natural processes,then I'll not accept it as a miracle."
Once again,I can't fathom how a counterfeit is a relevant substitute for the original.
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If someone claims a supernatural,the burden of proof is on him/her,not the skeptic."
But that's exactly what I've done.I've shown you evidence from reliable and credible sources for the existence of these phenomena.
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Randi is not debunking scientists,he's debunking conmen.You don't need a Ph.D in Theoretical Physics for exposing frauds."
So you concede he hasn't debunked any scientist.That's a step in the right direction.
@ Ali Sina
Why are more than 5 days I could not access indonesian.alisina.org? Always displayed "Error establishing a database connection"
I don’t think it is a secret that for Muslims the bar of humanity is set very, very low. Imagine things happening in Islamic countries, such as beating women, forcing them to wear veil. chopping hands and beheading, jailing people for expressing their views, stoning, blasphemy law are normal. But if any of these things happen in a non-Muslim country the whole world will be alarmed and shocked. That is because everybody agrees to the unwritten law that one should not expect Muslims to behave like civilized people.
Can you imagine a group of Swedes or Canadian going to the street and burning mosques or any temple? This is unthinkable, but it happens in Islamic countries and no one sees that as an odd thing. Can you imagine a group of worshipers come out of the church, shouting and throwing their fists in the air and then going to a Jewish or Muslim cemetery and destroying the graves? This happens very often in Islamic countries. Can you imagine a female reporter being mauled and raped in the middle of a square where tens of thousands of people have gathered, in UH or in Japan? NO! But this happens in Islamic countries.
Let us take the bitter pill of reality. Muslims don’t behave like civilized people. Nowhere Muslims act like civilized people, start from Philippines to the moderate Indonesia, to East Timor, to Bangladesh to Burma, to Pakistan, to India, to Iran, to all Arab countries, up to Libya and Nigeria and go to Europe and then visit America and Canada. Everywhere in this planet Muslims cat like savages.
A savage is a sub-human. The reason Muslims act like savages, is not because of their genes but because of how they things and how Islam has formed their minds and world view. Yes some of my cousins think like barbarians and I consider them as savages. If I never had come out of Iran, probably I would have been influenced by the culture and religion of the land and I maybe I would be a savage today.
Muslims are not fully evolved humans. I don’t know how to say this in politically correct way. Read the details of the Sharia law. These are not the laws of a civilized people. This is the reality. You can be offended and do nothing or you can accept the truth and do something to change the situation and bring these hapless people out of this insanity.
Yes I am loyal both to Iran and to Canada.
Ali sina you have written "In reality Muslims are less than human and it does not require a lot of arguments to prove that." in one of the previous you have crticisized prophet Muhammad that he believed that his uncle will go to hell because he was just mushrik and you said that how could a person believe it for his relatives when it is just matter of belief.
here you are saying same thing for muslims and you claim that you are ex-muslim from Iran? if it is true then your uncles aunties relatives cousins your neighbours your home country peoples are muslims and you are calling them sub human? can you undesrtand what is contradiction?
some one may ask you to that how much loyal to your native country? and if your reply is in negative then you must be deported because if a person can't be loyal his home country how can he be loyal to present country?
And when are you going to confess that you are actually a Muslim?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa
are you a gay?
I fooled you Sina, I am a man and, to be honest, an
old man, not very old 62
\”Dear fat man:\”
Don\’t tease me. I am not going to marry you even if you and I find ourselves alone in an uninhabited Island. I am not attracted to Muslim women even the vegan ones. So give it up.
Dear fat man: I know that those people are religious, and I showed
you this video just to prove to you that there are some Jews who want
to live peacefully with Muslims and Arabs.
I am soooo fed up with you lies…..what human rights you are talking
about? perhaps you mean the human rights only for those who are
feeding you.
Never! Verbal abuse is a slander, and slander
is illegal in America.
Thanks for the response and links, A.
I understood it the 1st time. Dawkins said he took advice from Stephen J. Gould. Gould talked about some misuse of the debate by the creationists, and that debates with high prophile scientists gave them the "oxygen of respectability", which he "feared" and wanted to avoid. Fearing followers of the opposition would see any debate like that regardless of who won it, as a triumph. It reeks like censorship from Gould and Dawkins.
So what if the challengers and their supporters represented a false outcome of the debate and used it as propaganda? Let them! It is childish to begrudge them that. Criticize creationists only when THEY apply censorship in any shape or form, but don't start doing it yourself! I say to Gould (or would if he still lived) and Dawkins. Catch them when they twist the debate and use strawman fallacy!
Very bad, disappointing reason for not debating. In this day and age, with so many knowledgeable debaters and listeners. Arrogant of Gould and Dawkins. Contemptuous of opponents. NOT supported by me, who is in favor of Evolution and against Creationism.
If Gould and Dawkins had given other reasons not to debate, like that the conditions were not fair, bad behavior of opponents, the people around it were prejudiced, or that the debate would reveal nothing new, but would be only rehashing of old arguments etc. I would have understood but not this reasoning of them and by extension of you in defense of Islamic scholars refusing to debate Ali Sina.
Stillwater pointed towards the possibility of seeing all of your comments, you made more than 1600 so far here on intensedebate.
The reader can review them.
In your comments, the number of times that you claim or state that a opinion-claim-statement of Ali Sina and opponents is false because of lack of evidence is very high.
The number of times that you "judge" a comment of Ali Sina and opponents all sorts of varieties of "meaningless", "nonsense", b-shit" is still much higher.
That is what I call your dismissals and denials. I will concede that they may be not invalid, and sometimes valid. But I will say that they are CONTROVERSIAL. SUSPECT. QUESTIONABLE.
Possibly Motivated by malice, or a desire to belittle and vilify opponents, MORE than finding and letting others find the highest discoverable truth. And when that suspicion would be true, then you would be guilty of Ad Hominem-fallacy. But let the reader decide on that.
Also, when opinions-claims are made by opponents, you often claim some of them are accusations. But certainly they are no legal accusations, and they may be considered as just opinions, for the reader to consider. And the opponent has no obligation to back his up his opinion with evidence and reason.
We simply disagree on this.
It is the hypothetical reader we like to convince, but conveying an opinion already is gratifying, there is no OBLIGATION, not even a NEED to convince, only a desire.
The burden of proof is on the extraordinary claim, but only because their already IS, or there readily available IS an ordinary contradicting claim. And the burden of proof is on claims of existence, and not on claims of non-existence.
2 opinions should be presented well, and the reader can choose between them. And not necessary with just the 2 opinions-claims either, but often also with the benefit of research and experience and thinking, discussing.
"See how mentions of authority figures have suddenly increased. Another result of my criticism!'
Oh, I think that you are certainly very influential!
I mean just decide for him/ herself, sorry.
Good that you say "You SEEM to" have arrived etc.
But I could also have arrived at this conclusion with much studying and consideration, and discussing and comparing.
And I may also have other reasons to not explain in detail how and why I came to that conclusion.
Let the hypothetical reader examine and just for himself.
"Of course in that case why don't you exonerate him when he, in your opinion, does make agressive recommendations?"
huh? You think I should praise him for making "aggressive recommendations" """
Hallo? Since when is Exonerating the same as praising???
I just say that you cannot the argument that he has no power as if he would be "misusing" that power in violent ways, in that way implying that he does not do what he preaches. And then say that when he says something of opposite meaning, according to you, that THEN he will do what he says.
You are setting him up to lose no matter what he says.
Look, A, we simply disagree on this. I indeed say that freedom of speech DOES legitimize VERBAL abuse. With a whole lot of proviso's, but basically, yes.
I agree with Ali Sina. The important broad topic/ issue here is or should about Islam and Muhammad. As far as I am concerned also about better alternatives for Islam and the choices about religions/ ways of life/ beliefsystems in the future.
Ali Sina's views on Islam are only a small part. There are many more views from many more people than just his.
Ali Sina is not isolated, many of his views are shared by many important other counterjihadists and even among important or bright atheist and Christian writers, bloggers. Oftentimes Ali Sina only forwards their opinions, articles.
It is futile to think you can concentrate on only HIS views, negate and nullify them and in that way defend your religion effectively, as if by doing that, and in sometimes succeeding with that,
your religion, in all it's aspects, is still unbeaten, still supreme, still the truest and best religion/ way of life up to this day.
And even if Rainbow was a Muslim, so FCUKING what?
It is his/her choice, not anyone else's!
Worry about yourselves and not Rainbow.
Nice pitch for fleecing Ali Sina.
At every turn you want to skim.
'Don't be cheap, but the ebook', he says.
Hahahahahahahahahaaha!
"You even attempted to claim . . . these sites are full of evidence . . . and it should be enough!
Which was HEIGHT of stupidity!"
The sites in question were counterjihadistsites like this one, jihadwatch and the many sites linked to it, like "answering Islam-Answering Muslims" etc.
These ARE full of evidence and reason, and in the process of dialoque, improve themselves all the time. Quran-Hadiths-Sira and Tafsir, these are all immutable or for 99 % unchanged. And as such a sitting duck for critical intelligent minds intending to find their faults, flaws and shortcomings. Even in Arabic. And these "sitting ducks" are taken apart by the critics.
You were vague and general in your claim that I claimed that the evidence in the "sites" was "enough". Enough for what?
I did say they were enough, in the sense, that my and our AND YOUR opinions-statements-claims can be true and valuable even without evidence and reason.
I did not say that they were enough to never be trumped by better opinions-statements-claims that contradict them, with better evidence and reason. I did not say that they were enough to be always the best opinion on the issue.
Nice challenge. I say it does have meaning, but something as or more meaningfull can be said in response.
I say anti-Muslim Brigade = Counterjihadists.
Infidel/ Kafir's comments are not stupid just because you declares so, you, a known debunker, negativist, and someone in favor of Islam, so with a vested interest and motivation to belittle and vilify opponents of Islam as much as you can.
And you asking "is that it" gives us the opportunity to point out to the hypothetical listener, that "that" is only one drop in an ocean of material coming from counterjihadist websites, which are all open to examination by the listener, who might be a doubting Muslim.
And the counterjihadists are a very divers free unbound lot, and most of them claim to be rational, but "more intelligent"? And here Aminriadh makes vague statements without even specifying …… "more intelligent than whom?" Muslims presumably?
But is that really the position of most counterjihadists? For some, or for the whole brigade, or for the average member? Can Aminriadh present proof for his sweeping claim?
I think not, I think this shows Aminriadhs prejudice and I think he resorts to these low and lame arguments to defend Islam ….
because he needs belittling and vilifying his opponents, negating and nullifying their messages as much as he can,
because on only positively championing his "great" religion and using sound arguments, evidence and reasoning it is well-nigh impossible for him, and by extension for 99,99 % of Muslims, to convince the hypothetical listener/ doubting Muslim.
Sir,perhaps your ancestors were to be Hindu's ,you may hold little knowledge about Kasmiri Shaivism.This particular discipline of spirituality deals with solar plexus and how energy can be tapped for one's benefit as well for the benefit of humanity.Sri-Vidya is part of Kasmiri Shaivism and is the highest of all the spiritual knowledge.Sage Bhardwag had practiced Sri-vidya in Kasmir ,therefore the city came to be known with that name.The pundits of the Kashmir were the proponent of this particular discipline and this particular practice is plenty of time referred in Vedas and Upanishads. However this pinnacle of spiritual knowledge was virtually lost after uneducated Muslim invasion of Kashmir. Kalhan's Raj-Tarngini shade light on Kashmirs earlier history.
No – it is about YOUR views of Islam.
And read the above!
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Sina hurries to answer . . . as far as answering! Well if this your Master.
No wonder the disciples are so poor.
No chance – send it free – money I will give to decent WESTERN charity.
As for smashing you . . . . you could NOT defend the stupidity above. . . .
This isn’t the only place where the Quran says this:
Recite what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord; no man can change His words. Apart from Him, thou wilt find no refuge. S. 18:27
Thus, the logic of the Quran goes something like this:
A. None can change the words of Allah.
B.The Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are the words of Allah.
C.Therefore, no one is able to change the Torah, the Psalms or the Gospel.
How much more clearer must the Quran be that Muhammad did not think that the previous Scriptures were corrupted but that they had been preserved by God and were in the possession of the Jews and Christians of his time?
And in the Quran Muhammad was ordered to inform the Jews and Christians that they were expected, in fact required, to judge by the Torah and Gospel respectively.
In other words, the Quran told Muhammad not to judge the Jews and Christians according to his law or sharia but in respect to the commandments found in their own Scriptures. Muslims, on the other hand, were to be judged according to the dictates of the Quran. That is all that the passage is saying.
Now why in the world would Allah command Jews and Christian to judge by Scriptures that had been changed and were therefore unreliable? Why not order them to abandon their corrupted Books and follow Muhammad’s laws? The answer is obvious to any honest seeker of truth. Muhammad did not think that the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians were unreliable. He actually believed that they were the true revelations that God had given them through his prophets and messengers.
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I BELIEVED IN THEE AND IN HIM WHO REVEALED THEE.
He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi' (No. 4431)." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38 (Kitab al Hudud, ie. Prescribed Punishments), Number 4434: http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=…
Anything else? Your games are over!
Also, whenever the prophet would ask them (the Jews) concerning the prophecies about him in the Torah they were not able to remove them either, and they would respond by stating that they are not about him and they are still waiting for the prophet in their Torah.
Abu Dawood narrated in his collection that Ibn Umar said:
A group of Jewish people invited the messenger of Allah to a house. When he came, they asked him: O Abu Qassim, one of our men committed adultery with a woman, what is your judgment against him? So they placed a pillow and asked the messenger of Allah to set on it. Then the messenger of Allah proceeded to say: bring me the Torah. When they brought it, he removed the pillow from underneath him and placed the Torah on it and said: I BELIEVE IN YOU AND IN THE ONE WHO REVEALED YOU, then said: bring me one of you who have the most knowledge. So they brought him a young man who told him the story of the stoning.
The scholars said: if the Torah was corrupted he would not have placed it on the pillow and he would not have said: I believe in you and in the one who revealed you. This group of scholars also said: Allah said:
And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing."
And the Torah is Allah’s word. (Bold and capital emphasis ours)
It is interesting that Muslim scholars cited Q. 6:115 to prove that the Torah could not be corrupted since this verse equally applies to all of the inspired Scriptures. Notice what it says:
And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
Here is how another renowned Muslim expositor interpreted this text:
The word of God meant in this verse is the Quran. This word is complete in truth and justice. Nothing can change Allah’s word which he revealed in his BOOKS. The liars cannot add or delete from Allah’s BOOKS. This is referring without a doubt to the Jews and Christians because they are the people of the books which were revealed to their prophets. Allah is revealing that the words they (the people of the book) are corrupting were not revealed by Allah, but Allah’s word cannot be changed or substituted. (Tafsir al-Tabari, Q. 6:115; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Muslims can claim all they choose. But Mohamed himself regarded it as the word of God.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The people of the Book used to read the Torah IN HEBREW AND THEN EXPLAIN IT IN ARABIC to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.’" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)
It is evident from the context that Muhammad wasn’t rejecting the Torah or questioning its authority. Muhammad was merely cautioning his followers from accepting the explanation or interpretation of the Jews since what they said in Arabic may not have accurately reflected what was actually written in the Hebrew text of the Torah.
More importantly, here is what Ibn Kathir wrote concerning Q. 3:78:
Mujahid, Ash-Sha'bi, Al-Hassan, Qatadah and Ar-Rabi' bin Anas said that …
(who distort the Book with their tongues.)
means, “They alter (Allah's Words).”
Al-Bukhari reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Ayah means they alter and add although none among Allah's creation CAN REMOVE THE WORDS OF ALLAH FROM HIS BOOKS, THEY ALTER AND DISTORT THEIR APPARENT MEANINGS. Wahb bin Munabbih said, “The Tawrah and Injil REMAIN AS ALLAH REVEALED THEM, AND NO LETTER IN THEM WAS REMOVED. However, the people misguide others by addition and false interpretation, relying on books that they wrote themselves.” Then …
(they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah;)
As for Allah's books, THEY ARE STILL PRESERVED AND CANNOT BE CHANGED.” … Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this statement … (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q. 3:78; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Hence, both Ibn Abbas and Wahb bin Munabbih believed that none of the Books of God could be corrupted and that the Torah and the Gospel remain as God revealed them. What makes this rather ironic is that Zaatari quotes a hadith where Ibn Abbas supposedly calls into question the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians! (We say supposedly since a careful analysis of the narrative in light of some of the other reported statements of Ibn Abbas proves otherwise. For the details please read the following article.)
Continued in the next par.
Dear pretty woman. Those are religious morons. These idiots have a weird belief in the nonsense of the Bible and think the Jews must stay in diaspora and suffer as slaves until their messiah appears and make them the chosen people of the world. This is religious idiocy. I don\’t give a hoot about what people believe. Most Jews are not even religious. I care about their human rights just as I care about the human rights of all the people. People\’s religion is of no importance to me.
\”Where are his supporters now?
Who will proclaim this to be \”intelligent\”. . . .
Come on line up! \”
This forum is about Islam and Muhammad. Why are you so obsessed to talk about me? You give me more importance that I claim. Just focus on the subject of this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6fN3lnGK6c
\”[If he is already on 6th - why did he not send me 5th as requested!?]\”
Wait a few more days and the book will be available on Amazon. I will also set it as eBook. Don\’t be cheap. buy the eBook and then smash me.
@Demsci
You said: " namely that you (Rainbow) said that Ali Sina Lied and Deceived. And perhaps he did and did make errors, but then again he may have also make many true, valid points. The important thing is that there is freedom of speech.'
There is some misunderstanding here. It is true that I said Sina said
many true things and many lies also, which (lies) are by no means
errors or unintentional.
I meant his lies and deceipt are intentional, and not errors.
No I am not mad. How can I be mad of a self proclaimed pretty woman?
That attractive guy is yours truly. Everyone is attractive in their twenties. I am obviously not that young anymore.
it is better to stay away from muslims , they r dangerous,intolerant ,unsocial , butchers and terrorist and mostly speaks abusive language and mostly talks about of sex sex
The people who did not accept Islam were thrown out of the land. Pundits were among them. Who accepted religion of Arabs and became Muslim were allowed to stay in Kashmir. But they have not the same right as Arabs have over non-Arab Muslim. Arbas are best Muslim while non-Arabs are lower(Second grade Muslim).
"But after Islamic invasion people were thrown out of land and converted into Islam"
Back it up. So they were thrown out AND converted . . . which doesn't make much sense.
Before coming of Islam, kashmir was land of Hindu people where most population were of Pundits. But after Islamic invasion people were thrown out of land and converted into Islam (Religion of Arabs).
Son – my family is from Kashmir. So why is it that only these alleged "pandits" are original Kashmiris – where did you get this from?
What about Kashmir,the abode of sage Kasyhap,and the fountain of highest spiritual knowledge till1000 AD ,and then entered these scums and uprooted the original pundit inhabitants (living since last more than 4000 years) of their home land ,now they have become refugee's,who? will think about them.
"But ….. first of all I mean here "abuse" that is legitimate under freedom of speech and under conditions. That certainly means NOT on the streets, NOT in the workplace. "
Freedom of speech – DOES NOT legitimize "abuse"
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"And under those conditions all people "deserve abuse", including Islam-critics like Ali Sina himself, so not JUST MUSLIMS. "
Oh dear . . .
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"Although I admit that being a Muslims often does not seem to be a choice, I still think that at some level it is. And under circumstances it becomes much more a conscious choice.
"
It is my choice – and always it has to be by choice – else it is pointless.
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"At the very least we can say that someones colour of skin, gender, DNA perhaps, that those are not choices, but is religion not one of the LIFE-CHOICES? And for choices people can be held accountable, can't they? "
No one asked for this . . . . just because someone choose to be a Muslim.
It does NOT mean they are to be abused.
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Something which you DID justify.
= = =
Well, your conclusion is good.
But ….. first of all I mean here "abuse" that is legitimate under freedom of speech and under conditions. That certainly means NOT on the streets, NOT in the workplace.
And under those conditions all people "deserve abuse", including Islam-critics like Ali Sina himself, so not JUST MUSLIMS.
Second: Although I admit that being a Muslims often does not seem to be a choice, I still think that at some level it is. And under circumstances it becomes much more a conscious choice.
At the very least we can say that someones colour of skin, gender, DNA perhaps, that those are not choices, but is religion not one of the LIFE-CHOICES? And for choices people can be held accountable, can't they?
"question is just one of your usual invalid dismissals and denials. "
So which other invalid ones . . . . bu lobbing these false accusations you seek credence.
But you won't get any.
The above is a lie.
That is it.
You have accused me falsely before – And I ask for evidence.
You don't give any – and make excuses.
But this is an accusation . . . false. And lying.
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"They very often settled in other countries and their descendants became citizens of other countries."
Yet Jews for 2000 years – and they still claimed to be refugees – and were seeking to return!
Doh . . .
And you don't really answer:
"How many of the Palestinians who claim to be refugees today lived in Israel? "
but quickly skip over it . . .
"But only a few very old people among them actually DID flee out of what is now Israel."
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See devious! Then you complain – when I point such things out and lob false accusations at me.
But when I ask you to prove them . . . you make excuses.
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I have said this before . . . . I will say it again.
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Prove your accusation . . . else it is a lie. Below – you have ample space.
"But Richard Dawkins does at times engage in debate. To me it only means that he is selective, due to lack of time or perhaps lack of effect or perhaps wrong effect, but I am not sure he explicitly rules out debate with people because of their lower "status", lower credentials. "
Try reading what I have said.
Actually we've been through this point before.
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/119-why-i-… http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/…
Read his reasons.
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"When these readers, with good intelligence, and much effort, and much discussion, and experience, grasp what the experts are saying, and perhaps more besides, than they have every right to discuss. "
Grasping what experts are saying doesn't make someone an expert. However in being wrong the expert has more lose and his opponent more to gain.
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The reason sina seeks debates with leading Muslims IS to "big" him self up.
He lacks merit – and he knows it.
"How many of the Palestinians who claim to be refugees today lived in Israel? "
"What does this even mean?"
You are asking what this means, but with the implication that the question is nonsensical, meaningless, and that means this response question is just one of your usual invalid dismissals and denials.
To answer: the "nakba" was in 1948. it is now 2012; 64 years later. we know of millions of Palestinians who claim and are granted refugee status, by the UN. But only a few very old people among them actually DID flee out of what is now Israel. The rest are DESCENDANTS of refugees, not refugees themselves.
And the point is being made by the Israeli's and their allies and indeed independent people that descendants from refugees should be handled differently than actual refugees. And that descendants of refugees were handled differently throughout history. They very often settled in other countries and their descendants became citizens of other countries. This happened to the Jewish refugees from Arab countries INTO Israel too. The number of those Jewish refugees was also similar to the number of Palestinian refugees.
"There ARE many grey areas, but I consider Ali Sina light-grey. "
On what basis?
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"Ali Sina's stand on violence perhaps needs thorough study and honest evaluation. For instance he might be in favor of violence in defense only, but against conquest, and for monopoly of violence for the state, the government, police. And of course with strict rules of engagement and control. "
I have studied what he says and by questioning.
Looks like YOU are the one in need of studying.
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You seem to have arived – he is light-grey – without any justification.
"You saying "types who will come up with baloney" is just another round of dismissal, denial by you. This is not searching for the highest truth you can find, which you said was your motivation. "
There is NOTHING much there . . . to counter.
Read what I said:
"Sonny – you are one of those types who will come up with baloney – but when challenged – you disappear faster than Sina. You cannot stay there and defend your views."
How is this dismissing anything he said or countering it?
It is a general comment – pointing out – he makes generalisation – when pressed – he has no answers.
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"Your opponents statements may well still be true, valid, valuable, wise, something to consider. With elsewhere plenty of evidence and logic to support it. The readers can keep them in mind and examine them. "
If that is the case . . . give evidence – it is THAT simple. And not invent excuses like you.
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"And the contradicting opinions should compete by being compared, and the evidence and logic for both should be compared. And the best should be chosen by the readers, in theory. It seems to me. "
Which is more dishonesty from you . . . as this is NOT how things work.
What you are saying is . . . someone can make claims and NOT give evidence. Person countering should have his views and give evidence then leave it up to the readers.
hence shifting the burden of proof.
No – it does NOT work that way.
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You make a claim – you give reasoning or evidence for it. It is THAT simple.
"This is your denial-dismiss-syndrome. Negating, declaring null and void, all someones stated intentions and recommendations and condemnations, just because he has no power. "
Doh . . . I said more – which obviously your dishonesty did not let you see!
"Also – he is strangely quiet on many issues of violence.
I have pointed this out to you before actually . . . . but being the way you are. . . . "
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i have said to you before too –
Just because he come out with generalities that he is against violence doesn't make it it so.
When on reads the small print – as it were.
On specific it becomes clear – how much for and against violence Sina is.
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You were bothered to accuse me you missed it.
You repeatedly dishonest like that.
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"Of course in that case why don't you exonerate him when he, in your opinion, does make agressive recommendations?"
huh? You think I should praise him for making "aggressive recommendations"
See if you had read the comment fully . . . which you didn't. You would have understood what I said.
You saying "types who will come up with baloney" is just another round of dismissal, denial by you. This is not searching for the highest truth you can find, which you said was your motivation.
First of all: Joe said: "it seems". And that he was "not sure …."
And you seem to say; when you are challenged than, you may well fail to back up your claims with sufficient evidence and logic, either by not trying it at all or doing it sufficiently well (but according to whom? you?, but you are not impartial).
And so far OK. But what conclusions can we draw from that? Not that opinions-claims-statements are therefore false, and not that they are therefore meaningless.
Your opponents statements may well still be true, valid, valuable, wise, something to consider. With elsewhere plenty of evidence and logic to support it. The readers can keep them in mind and examine them.
If they are to be replaced by better alternative explanations, they need to be challenged by contradicting opinions/ claims, after all, SOMETHING must have caused the opinions-statements that Joe commented on. But what explanation is better than his?
And the contradicting opinions should compete by being compared, and the evidence and logic for both should be compared. And the best should be chosen by the readers, in theory. It seems to me.
@aminriadh
__________they are NOT hate mongers like Sina . . . nor hypocrites like him. _________
How can you Islamic prophet Ali Sina is hate monger?On the contrary he has great love for Idol worshipers, Hindu, Cristian and Muslims who believe in brotherhood with all community. He has great respect for woman and he is against making woman sex slaves, polygamy etc. He speaks for woman also.
Ha ha ha . . . making opposite to what I said . . . doesn't mean it is a counter argument.
Else how does it?
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Here is what I said earlier:
""So, perhaps it is better to not see Ali Sina as isolated, and to at least admit that he also has many good things to say, and for a good motivation, alongside that which PERHAPS inaccurate, lie or error, with, PERHAPS, a certain human prejudice on his part. He may be not pure white, but he is not pure black either, rather he is light grey, I think. "
What good things . . . ?
Hitler had some good points . . . . but when compare to his crimes – over all – no one talks about his good points.
Same with Sina. The core is rotten. So even if you could bring some small "good" . . . what of it? "
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Now are you saying Sina has mostly good points? Or just saying the opposite.
I think you were just saying the opposite.
Which in light of what i have said – doesn't make sense.
"Dawkins, Harris and Ali Sina are all atheists. "
A point of little worth . . .
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"But Dawkins sat in a panel together with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and they BOTH made disparaging comments on Islam"
Just because someone makes disparaging remarks about Islam – that doesn't mean they and Sina are alike.
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No one asked about these SIMPLISTIC differences. . . . why point them out.
Dawkins and Sina are still poles apart. Ask Sina.
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" He ridiculed Harun Yahyah on Youtube, in common with how Ali Sina sometimes ridicules Muslims who say things like Harun Yahyah. "
I doubt it . . . but give the address.
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"am Harris certainly criticizes both Christianity and Islam, but he too warns of the much bigger danger/ threat/ obstinateness/ bad characteristics of Muslims, because of Islamic teachings and power. Parallel to what Ali Sina says, if perhaps somewhat different. "
The difference is – they are NOT hate mongers like Sina . . . nor hypocrites like him.
Also unlike him – they are proper scholars of something.
Sina doesn't even have the basic concepts of Academia.
"Response. And how did I justify lying then? I did not say that! "
Here:
"You say he lies and deceives, but we can counter that by saying, that he does this under freedom of speech and every detail of his arguments can be studied and contradicted."
"we can counter that . . . "
Your words . . . you are COUNTERING lying with "freedom of speech"
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"What I meant was more complicated, namely that you (Rainbow) said that Ali Sina Lied and Deceived. And perhaps he did and did make errors, but then again he may have also make many true, valid points. The important thing is that there is freedom of speech. "
What has saying there is "freedom of speech" got to do with "COUNTERING" lies . . . .?
And just saying . . . there is freedom of speech.
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You later explanation DOES NOT make sense . . . as to what you said earlier.
"As Dawkins said . . . . about refusing to debate with Yahya – that he he is no scientist . . . "
But Richard Dawkins does at times engage in debate. To me it only means that he is selective, due to lack of time or perhaps lack of effect or perhaps wrong effect, but I am not sure he explicitly rules out debate with people because of their lower "status", lower credentials.
In my view we have many experts on subjects, that is true. But among their tasks is dissemination of information, it is part of their usefulness and what they are paid for. And they do that abundantly, in magazines, books, on TV, Internet. Now, there are millions of educated readers of and listeners to what experts have to say.
When these readers, with good intelligence, and much effort, and much discussion, and experience, grasp what the experts are saying, and perhaps more besides, than they have every right to discuss.
And it would be the height of arrogance by experts to refuse on grounds of status or credentials of challengers alone.
There you go . . . hate mongering . . .
Just because you are Muslim – according this person . . . you deserve abuse.
"Sina is NOT explicitly against violence. No one is. It is an impossible position. "
You are right, I stand corrected.
There ARE many grey areas, but I consider Ali Sina light-grey.
Ali Sina's stand on violence perhaps needs thorough study and honest evaluation. For instance he might be in favor of violence in defense only, but against conquest, and for monopoly of violence for the state, the government, police. And of course with strict rules of engagement and control.
" I think he goes out of his way to explain that he wants to change people with words and persuasion, not with violence."
Moot point . . . he has NO power whatsoever.
This is your denial-dismiss-syndrome. Negating, declaring null and void, all someones stated intentions and recommendations and condemnations, just because he has no power.
Of course in that case why don't you exonerate him when he, in your opinion, does make agressive recommendations? We can say; yes, he made that agressive recommendation, but ……. he has no power, and when he would have power he would not do what he said he would do.
"Hitler had some good points . . . . but when compare to his crimes – over all – no one talks about his good points. "
I see your argument, but I can make the opposite point as easily; like;
"George Washington had some bad points, but when we compare them to his great achievements- over all- no one talks about his bad points."
Dawkins and Harris are different creatures. "Geller is mad. . . . Spencer is Christian Fanatic. Sina is desperate to copy Hrisi Ali – hence his support of EXTREME Christianity.
And how is this "answer", or is it just a vaque respons, with divers bold claims, with NO evidence or logic given and not really an "answer"?
Of course Dawkins and Harris are different creatures, how can they not be,
But the agreements between them are multiple, to begin that Dawkins, Harris and Ali Sina are all atheists.
But Dawkins sat in a panel together with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and they BOTH made disparaging comments on Islam, very much in common with many of Ali Sina's assessments of Islam. He ridiculed Harun Yahyah on Youtube, in common with how Ali Sina sometimes ridicules Muslims who say things like Harun Yahyah.
Sam Harris certainly criticizes both Christianity and Islam, but he too warns of the much bigger danger/ threat/ obstinateness/ bad characteristics of Muslims, because of Islamic teachings and power. Parallel to what Ali Sina says, if perhaps somewhat different.
You are manufacturing your own cenario, that is not true at all. Moslems are responsible and involved in the destructions,bombings,killings of unbelievers and nonmoslems. wherever , there are moslems , there is no peace, no happiness, no progress. IN INDIA moslems are killing Hindus and attacking Hindus directly and indirectly. You can see hundreds and thousands of attacks by Moslems on Hindus , all over in INDIA . But in ISLAMIC countries , Moslems treat and look down upon unbelievers/nonmoslems as inferiror and as slaves. The laws, sharia and ISLAMIC rules makes Moslems to subjugate and treat nonmoslems with discrimination. IN ISLAMIC countries , All people are not equal. Nonmoslems do not have equal rights as moslems. Nonmoslems in ISLAMIC countries are not conssidered as equal to moslems and with equal citizenship rights. The whole administration in ISLAMIC countries, which functions with ISLAMIC rules and under the control of moslems , treats unbelievers as inferior , with prejudice, with bigotry and with contempt. consequently nonmoslems in ISLAMIC countries live with fear and terrorized by ISLAMIC goons and thugs. The Government set up, the officials, the administrative machinery in ISLAMIC countries collude and sheme, plot to destroy unbelievers and nonmoslems. You can see this in PAKISATAN, In D'desh, in INDONESIA , in AFGHANISTAN, in iran, in SODI BARBARIA etc. ISLAM is evil,wicked, cruel and violent ,primitive, uncivilized. ISLAM does not belong in human civilization.
"Just because there is "freedom of speech" . . . . how does that justify lying?"
Response. And how did I justify lying then? I did not say that!
What I meant was more complicated, namely that you (Rainbow) said that Ali Sina Lied and Deceived. And perhaps he did and did make errors, but then again he may have also make many true, valid points. The important thing is that there is freedom of speech.
Correction, Julia tried to anger ALL Muslim posters, OK, including the polite ones.
And, here I respond to another sentence, namely:
"WRONG! He is abusive/insulting towards me . . . for no reason other than being Muslim."
YES! Exactly right!!! FOR NO OTHER REASON WHATSOEVER! I said something like that didn't I? Or at least I wanted to.
"Oh dear . . . what a stupid thing to say . . . . . so if people agree with him . . . he wont bother them! Wow! What an illuminating thing to say. "
You saying it is stupid does not make it so. Here you use poor reasoning. My comment was about Ali Sina being not against persons or peoples but just to this one chararacteristic/ choice of people; adherence to Islam.
So, Muslims could very much disagree with Ali Sina on many other points and be of any people or kind whatsoever other than Islam and when they shed Islam but not all these other characteristics/ choices of them, then Ali Sina doesn't care about them, doesn't bother them, unless they bother him with defending Islam.
Your conclusion here was poor and suspect as your conclusions often are.
You say in this one above post that Ali Sina is abusive/ insulting to you and in the same post you call my post stupid and ironically illuminating, which is also insulting.
That is hypocritical of you, as you insult him and posters on a continuing basis. It is using the fallacy of "appeal to ridicule". It looks suspicious like keeping opponents and their comments down in the eyes of the readers, so that you yourself and your comments look better.
And because you are on Ali Sina's website that behavior can be considered "trollish" too, in part aimed at making people angry. You dozens of times emphasized Julia was a troll, but she at least concurred with the views of the website-owner and his supporters. She was only trying to anger those who tried to anger the owner and supporters.
What you write here is allowed, but your hypocrisy is in arguing that Ali Sina somehow does something condemnable, even slandering, and that Julia behaves like a troll, while you off and on engage in the same sort of condemnable, trollish behavior.
Are you mad at me Sina because I said you are
fat and bald? Well, this is true, and if you don't
believe it, just look at any mirror.
You see, you tried to deceive your fans by placing
a picture of an attractive guy. You lied in this matter also.
Add this lie to your black list of lies…….
Lets look at some lies:
"During the early years of his mission, Muhammad was sitting among the
dignitaries of Mecca trying to convince them of his claim. One of his followers,
a blind poor man named Ibn Umm Maktum, approached him with a question.
Muhammad disliked his interruption and frowned. Those sitting around him
noticed his contempt. They criticized him for his hypocrisy and double
standard."
Sina fails to mention Ibn Maktum was a Muslim! He seems to have invented this story . . . strangely no source given.
How does frowning when interrupted – become contempt?
And lead to:
" hypocrisy and double standard."
Such manipulation of words is logically fallacious as well as dishonest.
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"In these verses Muhammad is taking the blame and even making Allah
admonish him for his condescendence. Nonetheless, as a narcissist he had to
blame his detractors even more and from verse 17 onward, he pours his
venomous vituperation on those who disbelieved him.
Although this sura is another indication of Muhammad’s narcissistic
personality disorder,"
How?
See how little Sina actually knows or understands about Narcissism!
He will make anything up . . . . and simply claim Narcissism.
Every situation he can find – that he is able to manipulate . . . . it is Narcissism.
This is of course BS.
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Hence I recommend reading the pile of rubbish . . .
Notice how NO ONE discusses the book.
None of his supporters here – want to discuss it.
And it is simply mentioned in hush tones as this great exposition of Islam.
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This just gives it false merit – which it severely lacks . . . . hence the more it is discussed the better.
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Now watch Sina's reaction.
More ridiculousness . . .
"As far as he was concerned, if an important woman like
Khadijah had accepted Islam, it must be true. Once Abu Bakr converted, it
became easier for Umar to convert and so on. In logic this is called argumentum
ad verecundiam or appeal to authority. This is a fallacy that uses admiration of
an important person to prove the valdity of an assertion. Muslims resort to this
fallacy often, as evidence of the truth of Islam."
Page 187 – Edition 4th.
[If he is already on 6th - why did he not send me 5th as requested!?]
This really takes the biscuit . . . . One has to laugh at such stupidity.
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Read what "appeal to authority" is:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority"
Sina doesn't even understand . . . the difference that logical fallacies apply to reasoning.
They have NOTHING to do with the above case . . . .
Asking authoritative figures to join your case is somehow logically fallacious . . .
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . . . .
Hence why he ran away – rather than take up my challenge on Logic.
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Unlike him – at least I have studied the basics. . . and some other components.
sorry
mr.sina how i send email to you
Here is how easy to expose fallacy of this book.
His alleged expert is Vaknin:
Read his Bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vaknin
It beggars belief!
It really does!
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"Dr. Sam Vaknin is the author of Malignant Self-Love. He is
regarded as an authority on the subject."
By whom?
He acknowledges that his theory that narcissism is akin to a form of artificial intelligence is not accepted by academics in the field.[5] Wiki
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As far as I know "Dr." – has nothing to do with the actual subject – he is not an expert of Psychology/Psychiatry
I could be wrong. I have NOT yet found what does he have Phd in.
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Listen to him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CUp7qdej8g
Sina shares this "hate" of Obama.
Now THIS is the person – who is his supposed expert!
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Now a book which starts from such bases . . . . . .
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Hence why it never got off the ground.
All Muslims who regularly comment her – I recommend them to read it.
There will be few chuckles along the way!
"Because she talks like a Muslim, thinks like a Muslim, is a hate monger like a Muslim, is unfair like a Muslim, is rude like a Muslim. With all these attributes what else can she be if not a Muslim? "
All these are baseless accusations . . . and to say things like they above is ridiculous logic. Universally condemned.
So where is your rationality . . . and justification for the above?
Such stereotypes just do not exist. . . . hence this is NOTHING More than hate from you.
Hence you are a hate monger. More evidence.
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"However, like many Muslims I know she does not pray or wear hijab. She may drink and if any man finds her attractive, she may not mind to enjoy a quicky. I know people like her. "
Blah blah blah . . . . meaningless BS. You don't anything of the kind.
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"Most Iranians were and many of them still are of this class. These "atheist" Muslims don't practice Islam. But they have kept their loyalty to it and the hatred that it had instilled in their hearts."
More BS. Meaningless. Such spewing require little "evidence". They in themselves are fallacious.
Sine spews personal hate towards people . . . . at a ridiculous level.
Hence why I term you hate monger. More evidence.
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"I don't trust "ex-Muslims" who defend Islam, diss other religions and attack viciously those who criticize Islam. They are Muslims all over, with the exception of maybe their genitals that long for a good time. They don't fool me."
What Sina is saying . . . .either you are with me or against.
Poor logic – once again . . . . See how much time he spends on such useless mutterings. . . .
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The question of how do you know . . . .well he doesn't and couldn't answer.
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Where are his supporters now?
Who will proclaim this to be "intelligent". . . .
Come on line up!
Sure . . . a small part – here is these comments:
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/06/28/is-islam-for-a…
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I only left because of your strange behaviour and lies.
And the inability to defend yourself.
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I am still up for a debate . . . less not forget – it was YOU who passed up the chance.
"Why should it be delusional? The Jews did not re-concur their land; they repurchased it."
"Conquer" you mean . . .
This is WRONG . . . .else where is the evidence?
You seem to have trouble knowing what "sovereignty" is . . . purchasing land doesn't give you that.
There were Jews in Palestine. But they had no sovereignty – it was NOT their land.
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"And if the logic is that those who lived in Israel 2000 years ago are dead and their descendants don\'t have any right to their ancestral land then the same applied to the Arabs."
Are you for serious . . . difference being – Arabs were actively in that land . . . which British were occupying.
And what is "ancestral homeland" . . . look back at history dearest . . . .
This land was Canaan land . . . Jews came from Egypt – and before that . . . Mesopotamia was their origin.
As Jews do not mix . . . Arabs can point out they are the ancestor of Canaan.
And if you look . . . . there was already Philistine . . . there. That name is actually older than Israel.
Then get back to me.
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"How many of the Palestinians who claim to be refugees today lived in Israel? "
What does this even mean.
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"I don\'t defend Judaism or Christianity. I defend human rights."
Wrong . . . because your rhetoric says otherwise . . . especially when you spew hate.
If you dont believe in Torah . . . then where is this concept of Zionism and "Ancestral" land – because it says so . . . come from.
For Jews this stems from their religion . . . . what have YOU got to do with it.
Also . . . why hold up Bible as history? You have several times implied this . . . why?
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Picking out one such example does NOT reflect widespread Muslim attitude. Else who were these alleged Jews purchasing from?
Also straight after Saladin conquering he let them live and visit Jerusalem . . . straight after conquering the city.
History of Jews under Muslim rules actually tends to be far better than in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_…
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"Your hatred of the Jews goes back to Muhammad. "
See – an out and out lie. I have never expressed a single hatred of Jews!
Yet this is YOUR mentality . . . .that Muslims hate Jews.
For the sake of your own hatred . . . you HAVE to imagine this.
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" You people are possessed by the demonic spirit of that monster. Even when you allegedly leave Islam because you prefer to enjoy life and become tired of its restrictions, you keep your hatred of the Jews. Your Islamic mindset remains the same. You are Muslims to the bone. Your apostasy it merely to satisfy your flesh. This is the situation with Rainbow and many other Muslims. "
See this your bile and hatred of the Muslims coming to the fore . . . . it is not based on sense, logic, history, rationality or anything – BUT PURE HATRED.
See Jonathon Harrell. I truly don't hate people. Not even you – I pity you. This is clear from my words . . .
You hate Muslims . . . this is clear from you words.
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"This is not apostasy. This is hypocrisy. Rainbow is one such Muslim."
How do you know . . . . 1st your position was he IS a Muslim . . . now he isn't.
Either way . . . you don't know.
Ah…I forgot to tell you. Muta'a is not recognized
among Arabs……it is practiced only in Iran….
and I am certain you are a son of Muta'a.
\”The book I have read . . . and exposed for its many fallacies . . .? \”
And why not show that to everyone? Don\’t keep all that enlightenment to yourself. Share them with others.
Notice the ego again . . . he didn't bother to read the comment and wanted to say:
"Who is expert? Invite them to debate with me. "
If he had bothered to read . . . . the experts is this case would be:
"Montgomery Watt and Sir William Muir "
One died in 2006 the other 1905
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He seeks credence with debating "big names" – Ajmal Qadri – he probably invented those debates himself.
As he invents "alleged emails".
Try reading carefully – so many of them have the same writing style.
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Such intelligence wants to debate . . . . "experts" . . . but has trouble reading!
The thing is it doesn't matter to him whether he wins or loses . . . he knows fellow hate mongers will prop him up.
As Dawkins said . . . . about refusing to debate with Yahya – that he he is no scientist . . .
And all Yahya will achieve is credence throughout the Muslim world . . . who would support him over Dawkins.
A well made point.
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Similarly if Sina had true merit . . . . then he would NOT need to rely on such tactics.
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He doesn't like being ignored.
So wouldn't it really be more sensible of Muslim Scholars – NOT to engage with someone like him.
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Who regularly gets out smarted here . . .
I mean even Pipes is smarter – hence never engages in comments!
Wow All this rage because I said you are a liar?
But you are a liar, and I proved it.
Now it is your turn to prove these dirty accusations.
Filth comes out from filth.
“So just because you have mentioned it before . . . how does that answer . . . “how do you know?”
Because she talks like a Muslim, thinks like a Muslim, is a hate monger like a Muslim, is unfair like a Muslim, is rude like a Muslim. With all these attributes what else can she be if not a Muslim?
However, like many Muslims I know she does not pray or wear hijab. She may drink and if any man finds her attractive, she may not mind to enjoy a quicky. I know people like her. Most Iranians were and many of them still are of this class. These “atheist” Muslims don’t practice Islam. But they have kept their loyalty to it and the hatred that it had instilled in their hearts. They can switch overnight to become a hardcore Muslim. I saw that happen in Iran in 1979. Many of my friends who loved partying, wore mini skirts and were loose in ever sense of the word suddenly donned hijab or wore beard and become hard core followers of Khomeini. I had left Iran by then but I was shocked to hear how most of my liberal friends had switched back to Islam so fast. I was much more conservative than them and yet I could see Khomeini is evil. These “atheist” liberals changed color like a chameleon.
I don’t trust “ex-Muslims” who defend Islam, diss other religions and attack viciously those who criticize Islam. They are Muslims all over, with the exception of maybe their genitals that long for a good time. They don’t fool me.
\”See the ego! Experts are wrong . .. . Sina is right.\”
Who is expert? Invite them to debate with me.
\”Ancestral homeland?
Which they lost for 2000 years ago . . . . aren\’t those people delusional then?\”
Why should it be delusional? The Jews did not re-concur their land; they repurchased it. And if the logic is that those who lived in Israel 2000 years ago are dead and their descendants don\’t have any right to their ancestral land then the same applied to the Arabs. How many of the Palestinians who claim to be refugees today lived in Israel?
I don\’t defend Judaism or Christianity. I defend human rights. I know this conflict is no abut land. It is about religion. Here is what Saudi Arabia\’s King Ibn Saud said in 1937. Not the date is 11 years before the creation of the state of Israel. \”Our hatred for the Jews dates from God\’s condemnation for their persecution and rejection of Jesus and their rejection later of His Chosen Prophet Muhammad… For a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty.\”
Your hatred of the Jews goes back to Muhammad. You people are possessed by the demonic spirit of that monster. Even when you allegedly leave Islam because you prefer to enjoy life and become tired of its restrictions, you keep your hatred of the Jews. Your Islamic mindset remains the same. You are Muslims to the bone. Your apostasy it merely to satisfy your flesh. This is the situation with Rainbow and many other Muslims.
You haven\’t left Islam until you leave your hatred of other people, particularly your hatred of the Jews. There are many Muslims who claim to have left Islam but they haven\’t. They just like sex and booze and for the time being they prefer to call themselves non-Muslim. They all will go back to Islam and repent when they have done enough sins and get older. This is not apostasy. This is hypocrisy. Rainbow is one such Muslim.
Why ? because I considered the (proposal) of Sina, or because
I said I am pretty, or because I hinted that there is a hostility
between the Iranian and soap & water ?
Where did you get this information from?
I know very well in England and America they
call a stupid person a donkey…..
Unless if you don't know that these countries
belong to the West. Now you know!
Maybe in your country donkeys can preach
and post comments!
"Zionism is the right of the Jews to have their own country in their ancestral homeland. "
Here is where it all falls down. This person is allegedly an "atheist" – he abuses another alleged "atheist" for having pro Muslims leanings . . . and he does not or ignores his own stupidity – when supporting Judaism and Christianity to such an extent.
Ancestral homeland?
Which they lost for 2000 years ago . . . . aren't those people delusional then?
Such hypocrisy of Sina's is regularly highlighted.
Doe he have any sense of shame? No.
He is a sell-out . . . . he desperate wants money from likes of Spencer. Hence why such hypocrisy gushes forth.
The same things he accuses Muslims of – he doesn't see the exact same problems when Christianity is concerned.
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"I am a proud Zionist and supporter of Zionism. Any decent human being must support Zionism."
They must not. And do not.
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" Only hate mongers, anti Semites and savages like Nazis and Muslims are against Zionism."
Which even he knows isn't true at all. There are Jews that themselves are anti-Zionism.
Also Jews ARE NOT the only Semitic people.
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"How can any good human refuse the rights of a people to their own homeland and deny them self defense when we know these people have been the target of much venomous attacks throughout the history. "
And the thing to do then . . . . is to build this homeland on by ripping up homes of others?
This "venom" was Western. And mostly of Christianity – of which you are a supporter. A lot of these people were Europeans.
6million were Murdered under Europe's nose – and they only lifted a finger to help when West/Europe itself was under attack!
Then there is the question of building in West Bank – where rich American Jews go an settle forcibly!
This hate monger is saying he has no problem with this . . . .
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"Today Jews are targeted not only in the Islamic countries but also in the West. Watch this moving video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaGHUZ-8DWw"
Hang on . . . they were ALWAYS targeted in West – Spanish Moors – were the one period where they did have much dignity – and Jewish culture flourished.
Initially after WW2 Muslims welcomed Jews – even Jewish writer say this . . .
Then Jews wanted to establish sovereign rule over land which did not belong to them . . . .for more than 2000 years.
Really?
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"As for "Crusaders" posing a threat to mankind, I must really express my sorrow for seeing an otherwise normal human is so ignorant. The Crusaders are part of the history. They are gone. They are dead. They can't pose a threat to mankind from their graves. What is wrong with you Muslims that you are so incapable of thinking normally? "
Sure sonny . . . just as well you should've considered . . .
" Only hate mongers, anti Semites and savages like Nazis and Muslims are against Zionism."
What Nazi?
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"What is wrong with you Muslims that you are so incapable of thinking normally? "
This is this person's hate mongering . . . . look another example!
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Repeatedly when Sina is challenged – neither him or his supporter are able to defend his hate-mongering views.
So what is wrong with you . . . . incapable of putting up an argument.
See – as I predicted . . . another one track minded person. . . . poor this and that – and such babble.
Sane conversation is beyond such people.
"I am also an animal lover. "
Well no human man or woman will touch him . . . Geller not given herself then I take it?
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Rainbow – I thought you had some standards.
See how mentions of authority figures have suddenly increased. Another result of my criticism!
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"They are all wrong and I have shown it in my book that there was not persecution of Muslims in Mecca."
See the ego! Experts are wrong . .. . Sina is right.
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Yet it is NOT him that cooked this up . . . it was already available on the Net.
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Also – if countered Sina does NOT have an answer. So this claim is worth nothing.
Such mentions from Sina are as result of criticism – namely me. Pointing out how lacking of Academic/Scholarly authority his work is . . .
. . . which if you compare the BS spiels and the output . . . well!
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I mean West has always had an angle on Islam – and some even I am saying is good scholarship.
But this "expert" . . . seems to be so thoroughly empty.
Sonny – you are one of those types who will come up with baloney – but when challenged – you disappear faster than Sina. You cannot stay there and defend your views.
No one actually discuses Sina and his works . . . . they skirt around the issue.
Interesting how Eastern view of donkeys is that they are dumb animals – whilst in the West they are considered a smart animal.
I also knew months ago that a donkey has more
sense than you do.
Will you SHUT UP ! you are like the static in the radio.
"I knew Rainbow was Muslim months ago, before Ali Sina ever mentioned it. If you look through my comments, you will see I mentioned it before. "
So just because you have mentioned it before . . . how does that answer . . . "how do you know?"
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As I have repeatedly shown – your reasoning ability is poor. You expound useless hate . . . you are not averse to a bit of lying.
Yet you still believe that somehow you are in on some "truth". One word: delusional.
"Isn't this blind following of Sina?"
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I knew Rainbow was Muslim months ago, before Ali Sina ever mentioned it. If you look through my comments, you will see I mentioned it before.
Some of Randi's explanations are not really good enough.
Hand over eyes is an explanation – that is all – it doesn't mean that is what Geller is using.
Hence just because you find an explanation doesn't mean Geller is doing just that.
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I find his explanation that Geller is simply bending metal not really to be accurate.
There you go – once more at it . . . . you have trouble thinking straight.
Hence . . . . idiotic stuff like the above comment is pretty easy for you.
"you never refuted anything sina has told. "
is an out and out lie.
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"dude he once did the same thing with me
when i gave him
{ allah says quran is clear , alif lam meem, rest of the verses } = quran "
Which is meaningless and doesn't make sense.
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"he is said he is feeling sleepy hahahah
amin you are a fool "
Another implied lie . . . I went through this with you – pretty comprehensively.
Are you so foolish amin ?
"This is the person . . . . to whom Sina called me a "troll".
If he isn't a hate monger . . . . then what is he!"
why did you comment on my post then?
oh you are a muslum being stupid is your birth right.
dude he once did the same thing with me
when i gave him
{ allah says quran is clear , alif lam meem, rest of the verses } = quran
he is said he is feeling sleepy hahahah
amin you are a fool
you never refuted anything sina has told.
"Islam is a dangerous totalatarian supremacist ideology (just as Nazism and Commusm) pretending to be a 'religion'. Its followers easily meet the 'compelling interest' requirement, and must be dealt the same way that Nazis and Communists were! "
See hatemonger – hatemongering.
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"Islam is a dangerous totalatarian supremacist ideology (just as Nazism and Commusm) pretending to be a 'religion'. "
No it isn't. These are simply views acquired from similar hate mongers. Islam is a thorough and comprehensive religion. With a strong theology.
Hence why does so well compared to other religions.
The First Amendment of the United States constitution prohibits the government from impeding the free exercise of religion, unless there is a compelling interest to do so!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_t…
Islam is a dangerous totalatarian supremacist ideology (just as Nazism and Commusm) pretending to be a 'religion'. Its followers easily meet the 'compelling interest' requirement, and must be dealt the same way that Nazis and Communists were!
Don't worry – got the measure of him long ago . . . although he watches his step now . . . but some "gems" still come forth!
"Proof is in ALI SINA 's BOOKs !!! "
The book I have read . . . and exposed for its many fallacies . . .?
If that is your proof – then that is NO PROOF.
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Hence why Sina himself doesn't discuss it.
See what happens to him when he does!
"You are doing taqiyya! You are a Muslim pretending to be Atheist. Anyone who has experience dealing with Muslims, can see that! "
How do you know? Where is your evidence?
Isn't this blind following of Sina?
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"Anyone who has experience dealing with Muslims, can see that! "
Doh! So this is the amount of "logic" you have . . . .
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Hence why your views are serious fallacious . . . and so easily exposed as such. Repeatedly. Easily.
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Why do you spend so much time spreading hate?
Why don't you take your own "advice" and do a bit of thinking and learning?
"You say he lies and deceives, but we can counter that by saying, that he does this under freedom of speech and every detail of his arguments can be studied and contradicted. "
Just because there is "freedom of speech" . . . . how does that justify lying?
You bring up these bizarre and idiotic points – later you will have major breakdown. . . . what are you going to do?
Beg for respect? What on back of such . . . . views.
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"Only he writes so much and so much of what he writes is also argued by Dawkins, Harris, and many other writers, like Robert Spencer, Pameal Geller, David Wood, Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, even Daniel Pipes. "
Dawkins and Harris are different creatures.
Geller is mad. . . .
Spencer is Christian Fanatic.
Sina is desperate to copy Hrisi Ali – hence his support of EXTREME Christianity.
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"So, perhaps it is better to not see Ali Sina as isolated, and to at least admit that he also has many good things to say, and for a good motivation, alongside that which PERHAPS inaccurate, lie or error, with, PERHAPS, a certain human prejudice on his part. He may be not pure white, but he is not pure black either, rather he is light grey, I think. "
What good things . . . ?
Hitler had some good points . . . . but when compare to his crimes – over all – no one talks about his good points.
Same with Sina. The core is rotten. So even if you could bring some small "good" . . . what of it?
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" I think he goes out of his way to explain that he wants to change people with words and persuasion, not with violence."
Moot point . . . he has NO power whatsoever.
Also – he is strangely quiet on many issues of violence.
I have pointed this out to you before actually . . . . but being the way you are. . . .
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"I do not think he slanders living persons based on their private life either, as he always makes sure to point out that it is the Islamic beliefs, not people as such, that he targets."
WRONG! He is abusive/insulting towards me . . . for no reason other than being Muslim.
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"And were people to apostasize from Islam, then Ali Sina will not bother them. If they do not bother him with defense of Islam that is. "
Oh dear . . . what a stupid thing to say . . . . . so if people agree with him . . . he wont bother them!
Wow! What an illuminating thing to say.
And if he goes around spreading "hate" towards other people . . . . you want him to be left alone and not challenged and beaten.
As he so obviously is . . . .
"Sina is trying to be smart by telling the others I am using "Taqyya" and
pretend to be an atheist. This is the most ludicrous, dispicable surmise"
You are doing taqiyya! You are a Muslim pretending to be Atheist. Anyone who has experience dealing with Muslims, can see that!
"Yes I think I have the most accurate explanation of who Muhammad was which I am certain will be accepted universally in time. "
I doubt it . . . given its many fallacies, inaccuracies and lies.
Some which I have successfully countered.
Based on your book . . . your comments, you reasoning. I wouldn't hold your breath.
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"missionaries have opeed their schools and hospitals at every nook and corner in INdia and destroying our faith of sanatan dharma"
The solution to that is to open your own schools, hospitals, and religious centers. What missionaries are doing is like marketing ipads to people. There is nothing wrong with that! We cannot ban missionaries for this, or be violent towards them. If you want people to buy your tablet instead, then you will have to do some marketing for it. To hope that people buy your tablet without you making any effort to let them know of it…. it doesn't work that way!
One of the reasons why missionaries do so well is because many educated Christians propose to work as teachers and doctors in all parts of India, including remote locations and other backward locations. These Christians spend years, sometimes their entire lives, towards this mission! So no wonder the missionaries do so well. Can the Hindus match that?
"But in what ways can Ali Sina, or persons like him, when explicitly being against violence and forcing people to convert, ever be a threat to the situation of your view? "
Sina is NOT explicitly against violence. No one is. It is an impossible position.
For example he has already said – all Muslims are guilty . . . . when questioned about violence towards Muslims.
There are many grey areas . . . where he will NOT comment. Such as American usage of land mines, carpet bombing and drone attacks.
Everyone is against violence when it comes to ones own. . . it is easy to do so.
As per usual – your comment is full of hot air. Nothing more.
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"You can see the success already flowing . "
Where?
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"a fascist , totalitarian, primitive, cruel , evil theology that is wholely unholy and darkest chapter in human history"
Really? How?
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"and then make this world a better place for every human being ."
I doubt it . . . as he is a troubled person. He himself needs help.
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Comments such as the above need little intelligence and knowledge. One can sit all day churning these out.
@infidel/kafir.
Ali Sina has been beating this demise of Islam drum for over 15 years. And what has happened? Islam has grown, year in and year out!
And you claim that success is flowing. Exactly how is the success flowing?
You guys cannot even help with the upkeep of this website. Your guru has to beg and plead with you guys to help him financially. Furthermore, the population of Islam is around the 1.5 billion mark with expected growth over the next 20 years. You guys will never eradicate Islam. It is just a dream. Just like the one of you guys believing that one day you will be known as the world's richest person. Just a dream.
We all know it will never happen in your lifetime or in any of your future generations to come, lifetimes.
Keep dreaming as this is the only solace you've got.
And no, these types of dreams don't come true.
Come on infidel/kafir. You can do better than that.
You regurgitate the same rubbish on every post. At least rehash and recycle some rubbish, like your guru Ali Sina does.
Second paragraph:
Believe it or not, every religion is the enemy of the situation of my view
if it possesses the most power. Yes, I think that Sina and people like
him are a threat to peace and to that situation. In England they call
such a person "a Sh——–t stirrer", and that's how he can be a threat
to peace.
No person or nation has any right to interfere with the internal affairs
of other countries. If the Islamic countries lack democracy, and the
people there are satisfied with their system, they should be left to
handle the responsibilities of their affairs and problems by themselves.
Once they start to intrude in the affairs of non-Muslim countries, then
in this case only they must be stopped.
In conclusion:-
1. I gave a video where Geller pissed in his pants in trying to summon 'psychic' powers in front of magicians who could call his bluff, and wussed out saying "I'm not feeling too strong today!".
2. The evidence you provided to be scientific wasn't peer-reviewed and scientists later found problems in the methodology.
3. You haven't proven your accusations against Randi who never claimed he's scientist – but only a magician, an escape artist and an investigator of paranormal claims. He didn't try to debunk the papers on Geller, other Scientists called its bluff.If he had tried to do a Scientist's job, I'd have agreed to your accusations. But he exposed Geller using his own profession. and he's perfectly qualified for and entitled to that.
So I think in your abject failure, it'd be honorable if you retract your claims.
FYI Geller in the later part of his career refused Scientific tests and only referred to himself as entertainer,not psychic.Because that's what he was – an entertainer, only a dishonest one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo
Uri Geller pissed in his pants @6:00 in that video.
One up for Randi.
He failed before magicians,but managed to dupe two Scientists! (Although later another three psychologists/Scientists found flaws in the Scientific method of testing of Targ et al.)
You know why? Because he was trying to do magic in front of magicians!! That's why only honest magicians can expose those fraudsters. Scientists aren't trained in magic, they are laymen when it comes to magic.
I saw a few other tricks of Geller.Any decent magician today can do most of those tricks and even better.If David Blaine claimed he had Supernatural powers,it'd be hard to not believe him.But we know they are simply magic,not sorcery.
It's fun for children,but eventually we should learn to grow up.so should you
I think I mentioned the difference between Sina from one side and Dawkins
and Harris from the other side. As for the rest of the people you mentioned,
Sina fits well among them, they are also driven by hatred and grudge,
except Ayan Hirsi, she was a victim, and this is her reaction to all the
suffering she went through. I also find her decent, practical and void
of hate, professional and good speaker.
Ali Sina transgressed all the limits, without any doubt. I do not think that you
read all my comments. I said before, that Sina said many true things, and
many lies as well, which are, by no means, errors or unintentional. He says
sometimes that he hates Islam not Muslims, but he is forgetful, because he
shows most of the times his hate to the Muslims and to the Arabs. If one
is a habitual liar, he better have a good memory.
My reply to your second paragraph:
Thanks for drawing my attention to this point. Yes indeed,
he is too insignificant to draw all this attention.
Your third and last paragraph:
I remember there was an apostate in Iran who wan imprisoned,
I also remember that he was not executed, and he was set free.
Stoning, honor killing and executing apostates rarely happen
and only the most backward Islamic countries, such as Iran
and Afghanistan.
cool down!!,God incarnates (Varah)to protect the world and bundle off vultures.You,"A perfect drool to a perfect droll (Mmd)"
"I asked you to tell me why respected scientists like Russell Targ,Sir William Crookes,Dr Gary Scwartz,Proffessor David Fontana,et al. who have all investigated these phenomena using empirical methods are wrong"
I will,provided you give me their specific claims and a peer-reviewed paper that establishes those claims.
"Since no scientist have ever rebutted the existing evidence"
Maybe no Scientist of some repute found it credible enough to even investigate?If every scientist started to investigate every other miracle claim by fraudsters,there'd be no one left to do more serious work like cure for Cancer etc.
Again,you're making it sound as if every miracle claim is worthy of Investigation by just being a claim and stand true until proven wrong.
You're brazenly wrong about Scientific method.A claim of evidence has to be validated by a reasonable number of peers to be even counted as Scientific.Everyday,thousands of papers are thrown into bins as 'peers' didn't find them convincing.
"You've said before that Randi's hoaxes are sufficient refutations"
I said if a 'claimed' miracle can be replicated by a sequence of natural processes,then I'll not accept it as a miracle.Randi has demonstrated that many miracles claimed by faous and popular people are nothing but well disguised magic tricks,that's all.
If someone claims a supernatural,the burden of proof is on him/her,not the skeptic.The skeptic only exposes them to free the society from fraud.It's a benevolent act,not an obligation
"Then Federer should not act as an expert at strip dancing"
Has Randi has ever claimed himself to be a trained Scientist? http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/about-james-r… says:-
He is a magician,an escape artist,and investigator of paranormal claims.
"That's a faulty comparison"
It's not!To compare favourably,they don't need to read to the exactly the same levels.Randi is not debunking scientists,he's debunking conmen.You don't need a Ph.D in Theoretical Physics for exposing frauds.
Dear Ali Sina, all of us are people who still believe in God, we believe that our lives are regulated by the One Almighty, who knows all the secrets of heaven and earth, who know the hearts of all men, who has created the earth and heaven for all His creatures. We believe that many are not known to man, even we do not know how wide the sky, how many stars in the sky. but, we were not banned for know, and it will make us more familiar with the almighty great architects who have made it all, science does not make us arrogant and does not know himself. You may not believe in god, but you are not worth making people rebel against God. You slyly raising an army to destroy an ideology that is incompatible with your mind and destroy your interests. In my country, we (Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists) and coexist with a high tolerance, non-discrimination, a difference that makes all beautiful. some Christian students, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims attended the same university and school, there is even a single class. We all adhere to our religion, our religion never taught to destroy peace, faith differences do not make us different views of the people who are not our faith. However, that all changed after each one of us are familiar with you, Christians began to prepare arguments to destroy Islam, Islam is also preparing an argument to destroy Christianity, as well as Hinduism and Buddhism as obsessed with you.
No Islamic mission to destroy all non-Islamic religions in the world, it's just nonsense! My childhood taught about Islam by my teachers, there is absolutely no discussion about the topic to destroy non-Muslims.
All the verses in the Qur'an which commands to kill infidels, done when in battle. And enjoined Muslims to fight if fighting by unbelievers because of their religion, you please read and understand the Quran it again! No commands Muslims to kill non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam. This verse has been repeatedly discussed by the scholars of Islam but there are still people who dropped Islamic verse.
Suppose that Islam has gone from this world, and what the world will always be peaceful?
After all religions are destroyed, whether valid sense of humanity in this world?
And could you give me a proof that Islam orders Muslims to kill non-Muslims who have no problem with Islam?
like Aminriiadh – boo and blah !!! Do you know what you talk ?
ALI SINA mission is clear – to eradicate ISLAM the vile and poisonous death cult , a fascist , totalitarian, primitive, cruel , evil theology that is wholely unholy and darkest chapter in human history. and then make this world a better place for every human being . You can see the success already flowing .
Rainbow – How can you see from the pitch darkness !!! literally and metaphorically !!! SODI BARBARIA – pretty woman !!! ??? Which perfume are you applying ? We are glad that you burned your BURQA , finally !!! Welcome to the free , peace loving humanists society of Dr. ALI SINA . !!!!
"when you know of some one who works in the dark, you must
raise this question: what is the evil, or the injust, or the unethical,
illegitimate things, (s)he is trying to hide?"
Perhaps, but there is more, you should also assess the power of this person. And what other persons or organisations, governments intent and do "evil, unjust, unethical, illegitimate things.
If you find more than one, you better concentrate on the most powerful and dangerous ones, instead of on the small ones.
About apostates being killed OR Imprisoned; IT HAPPENS. In Iran apostates have been imprisoned, from Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Somalia came reports of apostates being executed. Many honourkillings, in Western countries, are of young Muslima's who are found guilty of being "too Westernized". And in surveys high % Muslims are in favor of (death)penalty for apostasy. So at best many Muslims believe in it, but, thank heavens, do not practice it all the time.
"I personally refuse to live in a country that is ruled by the Islamic Sharia', and
if I have only one of two choices, either atheism or Islam to rule, I will certainly
chose atheism. Although my beliefs are mostly derived from atheism, but it doesn't bother me to see people believe in variety of things, and as they say variey is the spice of life. It is one of the human rights to chose their beliefs, but they have
absolutely no right to force it upon others."
Absolutely great view! Of best state-situation! But you should know by now that this is also Ali Sina's standpoint. Where he and you seem to differ is which beliefsystems or persons threathen that variety and freedom of choice. He holds that Islam is the enemy of the situation of the view that you just wrote. You seem to think that Ali Sina or persons like him threathen that situation.
But there are 56 Islamic countries and it can be amply shown that there is no democracy in most of those countries. But in what ways can Ali Sina, or persons like him, when explicitly being against violence and forcing people to convert, ever be a threat to the situation of your view?
"but when a person lies continuously and trying to deceive others to achieve a certain goal or goals of his, then I consider this a disgusting crime."
Ali Sina's stated his goals. And often in a negative way, that he was AGAINST Islam being adhered to by (too many) humans. But assuming that he still wanted humans to live long and thrive, he also had some positive goals, namely that they adhere to an alternative beliefsystem to Islam in their long lives, in the future, in large majority, being free from Islam.
You say he lies and deceives, but we can counter that by saying, that he does this under freedom of speech and every detail of his arguments can be studied and contradicted. Only he writes so much and so much of what he writes is also argued by Dawkins, Harris, and many other writers, like Robert Spencer, Pameal Geller, David Wood, Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, even Daniel Pipes.
So, perhaps it is better to not see Ali Sina as isolated, and to at least admit that he also has many good things to say, and for a good motivation, alongside that which PERHAPS inaccurate, lie or error, with, PERHAPS, a certain human prejudice on his part. He may be not pure white, but he is not pure black either, rather he is light grey, I think.
And as you say, freedom of speech does have limits, but does Ali Sina transgress those limits? With inciting to violence? I think he goes out of his way to explain that he wants to change people with words and persuasion, not with violence.
I do not think he slanders living persons based on their private life either, as he always makes sure to point out that it is the Islamic beliefs, not people as such, that he targets. And were people to apostasize from Islam, then Ali Sina will not bother them. If they do not bother him with defense of Islam that is.
poor Rainbow,
you have alot of trouble understanding people don't you! your poor little world is crumbling around you..
nobody understands you or what you are talking about!
or
Sorry it is the other 6 billion people on the planet that are wrong.. there there
Ali a MOHAMMADEN and the follower of the monster MO — the profit profiteer , what else can you think and write ? You worship satan and follower of that satan MO, a looter, a rapist, a pedo, a killer, a liar, a sex maniac, a slave promoter , a MUBAHILA swearer , a hate perpetrator and polygamist , and a misogynist !!!!!!!!
There has been some problem between Arab and Ajam.
Nameless and faceless ( LIKE MO?ALLAH !!!! perhaps ) , please do not bother too much about the conversions in INDIA , particularly to ISLAM ~!!!! who wants to become a moslem ? a hard core criminal or murderer or rapist !!! A polygamist perhaps. anyway their numbers are very very very very very few. Only christian converters are lured by fraud and deception. SOONER or later both Ichristian and moslem converters will discover the truth and they will become ex .christians and ex.moslems and embrace the true glory and greatness of SANATANA DHARMA (HINDU DHARMA) . This is true .
AMINRIADH :: YOU see , and swear by HITLER AS A good person and I and all EX>MOSLEMS see and swear by the truth that MO was a monster, a pedo, a rapist, a looter, a killer, a sex maniac, a slave promoter and simply a narcissist and megalomaniiac who brought calamity of enormous proportions to MO followers ,MUSSALMANS (MOHAMMADENS)>
what do you mean "If you brayed "… poor thing.. not very smart are you
You see Ali sina. You are as hateful and ignorant as the day you exposed yourself.
All it takes is one swipe at you and your true colours coming shining out. You are a danger not just to ALL of humanity and the world but also top yourself. You are no less than a rabid dog. And what happens to rabid dogs? Yes, they must be put down.
You are one nasty piece of work and deserve the electric chair or lethal injection. No pardon is sufficient for you. Hitler was and angel compared to you and so were the rest of histories evil personalities.
The patent fact which shines through is that you are psychologically unstable.
You are sick.
Get help!
aonther way of expressing this is
Islam killing Muslims ( pakistan, afghanistan, india, sudan, mali, syria, iran, palistine, danfur,lybia,indonisia, ey …..plus more)
Islam Killing Hindus (india, pakistan)
Islam killing christians ( palistine, egypt, iran, syria, nigeria, sudan, mali, indonesia, phillipines, ache, america, london, spain, russia, kosovo, turkey, arminia)
Islam killing budhist (thialand, burma, china)
islam kill pagans africa..
Islam killing all over the world
Speak for yourself then Ali Sina.
This website obviously hasn't affected you. You seem to spewing the same old garbage and rhetoric.
Fable or no fable. It doesn't concern you Ali Sina.
You have already made your mind up and believe you come out of nowhere, will go back to nowhere and have no purpose in this life. You don't even know why you were born?
You still haven't grasped he purpose of your existence. As a matter of fact, exactly why do humans exist?
Abraham did exist, so did Isaac and so did Ishmael.
Tomorrow you will be saying the iPhone doesn't exist!
@Vijay. Don't know mate. Go and ask them!
ISLAMIC teachings ,ISLAMIC tenets , ISLAMIC culture , ISLAMIC rules, ISLAMIC sharia, ISLAMIC regimes are all based on preacing, teaching hatred for all nonmoslems, unbelievers, gay ,lesbians, and against women. This is also preached in MOSQUES daily and treat unbelievers as enemies . NO moslem country believes in equality of all religions, equality of all people, equality of law for all people . ISLAM is hatred. Your QQUURRAAN, SIRA,HADIS preaches, teaches hatred, intolerance and violence and killing of unbelievers called as infidels, kafirs, mushriqeens, murtads etc. Why do Moslems kill those who leave ISLAM ? why do moslems instill fear and terrorize even other moslems , Moslem women if they speak truth and want to leave ISLAM ? Why dont ISLAM grant freedom fpr moslems and young moslem girls to chose and fall in love with unbelievers, nonmoslems. Why do moslem family members and parents kill their daughters simply because they fall in love and marry unbelievers/ nonmoslems ?
I have skipped Islam against Islam . This delusion using Qur'an against Qur'an have no certain impact but may destroy world. You may know what's going on here !
"I lived in Bahrain for five years, and every time I snifed a stink, after about one hour an Iranian approached"
That is horribly and disgracefully racist.You've gone beyond your hate of Sina.
Iran was one of the World's most vibrant and flourishing civilizations with Egyptian,Indian and Greek civilizations.You can measure the success of any civilization by the condition of its biologically smaller and weaker gender – women.Iranian women were socially and economically progressive,held most of the wealth in the society.There were women managers,warchiefs,apart from usual roles like literature,music,arts,dance,designing etc.Even today, 70% of University students in Iran are women-carrying on that proud tradition.
I personally think you are confused between Atheism and Islam.
As far as history books are concerned,the historical accounts of the family of Abraham and Ishmael is quite dodgy.It's more hearsay and religious tradition than historical.It's not unusual for religion to creep in and influence school textbooks.Even Communism,Fascism did the same.Invading children's books helps you build supporters in the future,so the above is an often employed strategy.I'm not sure if that's true in your case,but could be.
Here is Hitchens on Islam and Islamic history.He's a little mistaken on minor aspects,but does a brilliant work of summing it up.You can have a look:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHHfBeu0QE
(Ignore the title of the video.Hitchens is quite objective and not his usual dismissive self).
"There is no burden of anything on Muslim to defend , protect , save Islam"
Probably the first time I agree with you.
Ideas don't need protection.People do.Ideas don't need rights.People do.
Islam,like every other religion or ideology,has to be criticized for its flaws and all should be allowed to present their opinions.Killing film-makers,expelling and threatening writers,fire-bombing newspaper houses,killing diplomats,shooting 14 year old girls for speaking out is only establishing Islam as a violent,inhuman,restrictive,anti-progressive ideology incompatible with modern societies.
"How can you be sure that the verse meant "allies"?"
I already answered that in the above comment.
You've to read the whole verse,and the meaning will be clear from the context.
Try to fill these blanks:-
Do not take Jews and Christians as ________, because they are nothing but ________ of each other. If you take either of them as ___________, then you are one of them.
Which word fits better, 'rulers' or 'allies' or 'friends'?
It's quite obvious to me that the latter two fit much better and make more sense in those sentences.
Second,people back in Mo's days spoke in a language that was close to the Quranic Arabic,otherwise they'd not understand it.So the people closer to those times would interpret the verses more accurately than a modern translator.None of the old translations interpret 'awliya' as ruler,but friend/protector/ally.Your interpretation of that verse is new and likely to be wrong,as none of the recognized translators agree with you.
How can I be sure you are pretty? You have lied about your belief so maybe you are lying about your looks too.
The fact that Biblical stories are fables is demonstrated by Richard Elliot Friedman in Who Wrote the Bible. An eye opening book that I recommend anyone interested in religions to read.
Last statement:
Harris and Dawkins are not afraid of working in the light, this proves
that they are authentic and straight…..
when you know of some one who works in the dark, you must
raise this question: what is the evil, or the injust, or the unethical,
illegitimate things, (s)he is trying to hide?
By the way, being afraid of getting killed by muslims, is a reason I can
never buy, Take an example: Wafa Sultan, no one tried to kill her…….
also there are thousands of apostates, and I never heard of one who
was killed for apostasy.
It is apparent to me that Sina is motivated by extreme hate and grudge, not only
toward Islam, but toward Arabs as well. His motive is certainly not righteous.
You are doing Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins too much of injustice when
you put them in the same level of Sina. Harris and Dawkins are extremely
knowledgable and decent individuals who achieved their success by intigrity
and honesty. Their main target is the truth, and they never give credit to one
religion and discredit the other. They thouroughly studied the issue from all
angles and without prejudice. Plus, their approach is scientific, not vulgar.
Many Muslims find their reasonings valuable.
Only fools or tramps follow a grouchy person, so, Sina can count on these
two types.
you don't what christians are doing in our country, they are buying faiths of our poor tribal peoples. missionaries have opeed their schools and hospitals at every nook and corner in INdia and destroying our faith of sanatan dharma. i have requested you to please read 13th samhulas of satyarth prakash written by Maharishi Dayananda Saraswati ji. after reading satyarth prakash your eyes will open for christianity. christians are also idol worshipper and as danger as Muslims for sanatana dharma.
you please study about sanatana dharma and satyarth prakash then youll understand that only sanatan dharma and veda can stop violence. lord mackalays system of education had destroyed over gurukula sysytem of education not Madarsa system in India.
Yes that is true, all people lie and make errors sometimes, but when a person lies
continuously and trying to deceive others to achieve a certain goal or goals of his,
then I consider this a disgusting crime.
I personally refuse to live in a country that is ruled by the Islamic Sharia', and
if I have only one of two choices, either atheism or Islam to rule, I will certainly
chose atheism. Although my beliefs are mostly derived from atheism, but it doesn't
bother me to see people believe in variety of things, and as they say variey is
the spice of life. It is one of the human rights to chose their beliefs, but they have
absolutely no right to force it upon others. Plus, I do not agree all the way with
atheists; there are things happen occasionally in our lives that do not submit
to logic, and atheists stand helpless, cannot provide and explanations to them
e.g. predicting dreams.
continued……
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And why \”important people\” cannot be wrong? Wasn\’t Aristotle wrong when he said lighter objects fall slower than heavier objects? Wasn\’t Einstein wrong when he said God does not play dice? History is full of very smart people who were wrong. Yes I think I have the most accurate explanation of who Muhammad was which I am certain will be accepted universally in time.
This website is only for smart people – people who can reason and use their brains. The fools remain unaffected.
On the face that seems fair enough. But do Muslims see this in a global context?
Can Muslims with such an attitude then fully support and be fully loyal to the full democratic system? they cannot then support the Ayatollahs and Talibans and Saudi's when these are in opposition to democratic states (even Israel)
And the Muslims living in democratic nations cannot be considered honest when they profit from democratic freedom and yet are in full alliance with those who deny the same freedoms/ rights, including freedom of speech, to religious minorities, incl. atheists.
The Muslims with the above attitude should be prepared to let Islam compete honestly everywhere in the world. On it's own merits. And those Muslims should be against (death)penalty for apostasy.
I believe there already is such a Muslim, Zuhdi Jasser, but he gets no support and only near-universal condemnation from Muslims.
And there also is a Muslim, Anjem Choudary, who openly says democracy is wrong and it should be replaced by Shariah law. And he sure would not agree with the above attitude. As many Muslims would not. And we respect him at least for his honesty in this regard.
"Do you really want to do a service for humanity? then leave the Muslims alone, because
the more people like you provoke them, the more aggresive they become which results
in blood shed, and usually the victims are innocent like the American diplomats in Lybia.
Innocent people die, and pay the price for crimes committed by some malicious rodents
working on their dirty plots in the darkness of their holes."
Here you bring up something very interesting, Rainbow.
The 2 scenario's I like to present are:
A. When people "provoke" other people, the number of victims of violence (among all people) goes up, because provoked people get more violent than unprovoked they would be.
B. No, when evil and stupid people make victims, and when there is no freedom of speech, but censorship, so that both victims and their sympathizers, cannot express their objections and demands for protection etc, and that "road" is closed,
then for those victims & sympathizers, only 2 "roads" remain open for them: Either complete miserable acceptance, submission, lethargy or reacting with violence to the oppression and injustice done by evil or stupid people, a bit like the choice of the Syrian people.
I am saying, Rainbow, that forbidding people like Ali Sina, to speak up, that that in the end will cost mankind (much) more victims.
And I know you may not advocate forbidding him to speak, forcing him to stop, by violent or legal means, but you sure try to discourage his valuable contributions.
And I am not at all sure whether you would or would not support those (Muslims) who indeed would shut hem up, or down, if they could, with violent means or perhaps by means of censorship laws. Of if you would then support Ali Sina and not his censors.
And why \”important people\” cannot be wrong? Wasn\’t Aristotle wrong when he said lighter objects fall slower than heavier objects? Wasn\’t Einstein wrong when he said God does not play dice? History is full of very smart people who were wrong. Yes I think I have the most accurate explanation of who Muhammad was which I am certain will be accepted universally in time.
This website is only for smart people – people who can reason and use their brains. The fools remain unaffected.
No, Abraham was not there, and in this case he couldn't build the Ka'ba.
His descendants from Ishmael settled in Arabia, we learned that in school
from the history books, not from religion.
As for your last question, it was Sina who suggested that
I am hiding behind an atheist name……and it is up to you
and the other readers to believe him blindly or to use your
common sense.
And I like to add, when the full democratic system reigns in most important states and is no longer in jeopardy, then by all means let other people try other political systems, like Islamic states. And in the ideal situation both kind of states, democratic and islamic, would allow citizens who are loyal to one system but living under the other to relocate to the state with the preferred political system. Meaning those who really prefer and loyal to Islam should go to Islamic states, while all those who really prefer the full Democratic system can go to and stay in democratic states. and the Islamic states should ALLOW all Muslims in and it's own people to choose with their feet, as they say.
This is process of eradicating Islam. Following projections are based on belief systems , real followers.
Hinduism against Islam ==> Hinduism will be destroyed ( scattered weak belief system )
Buddhism against Islam ==> Buddhism will be destroyed(inadequate explore of human life)
Judaism against Islam ==> Judaism will be destroyed (manipulative conspirerer )
Atheism against Islam ==> Atheism will be destroyed ( worldly animals )
Christianity against Islam ==> Christianity will be destroyed ( hypocrites miserable in belief)
There is no burden of anything on Muslim to defend , protect , save Islam.
Only Muslim has to live Islam.
I too think they are fables. Israel Finkenstein, Israeli Archeologist, investigated biblical stories and argued with historians about the existing evidence, archeological and historic.
He argued for example: The stories themselves were written about the 7th century BC, in Judah, under king Josiah perhaps. Because the circumstances described as existing or already happened were of that time period and before the Babylonian conquest of 587 BC.
In Abrahams story it is told that he met the Philistines, but these arrived in Canaan only around 1200 BC, whereas Abrahams story is usually set around 1800 BC.
And there were a few more comprehensive arguments against some kind of real Abraham living around 1800 BC, like him traveling West, from Ur, through Haran to Canaan, whereas the main thrust of migrations in that time was East, North East, by Amorites invading Syria and Mesopotamia.
Abraham did not travel to Arabia, but the descendants of Ishmael (his son)
travelled and settled in Arabia. Is this difficult to understand?
Nothing from you sound better. You are not only a liar, but you insist that your lies
are true, and when you get really stuck and proven to be a liar with evidences, you
start patching your lies.
And now you are saying even impartial people can be fooled, but not you.
Well let me tell you this: you are a fool, who is trying to fool others……
and only fools like you will fall in your trap. Your web, is like the web
of a spider.
If you brayed it would make more sense than your "maybes" !
I don't believe that you are capable of loving any creature.
Now who is delusional? how can a pretty, reasonable Arab
woman accept a fat, bald, grouchy and liar Iranian, and on
top of it he thinks he is unique……..I lived in Bahrain for five
years, and every time I snifedf a stink, after about one hour
an Iranian approached.
I don't believe that you are capable of loving any creature.
Now who is delusional? how can a pretty, reasonable Arab
woman accept a fat, bald, grouchy and liar Iranian, and on
top of it he thinks he is unique……..I lived in Bahrain for five
years, and every time I snifedf a stink, after about one hour
an Iranian approached.
As for you first paragraph………you are really pathetic to announce proudly
that you are a Zionist. Do you know that there are some Jews who are
against Zionists? Do you know that there are some Jews who want to live
with Arabs in peace and humanity, and they show their rage for the brutality
their government is committing against the Arabs?
Who are you? just an out-sider who is imposing himself on the Jews,
declaring he is a Zionist, hoping to receive materialistic gain out of it.
As for your second part, I am speechless ! the crusaders are still existing,
but your little mind thought that I meant the ones with armors and shields
and swords ! Even poor Joe knew what I meant. There is a religious
war, and each wants his religon to dominate the world. The crusader is
the follower of the cross. Remember George Bush when he declared war
on Afghanistan, he said: This crusade…….etc.
What is wrong with you Sina? are you losing it? isn't it too early for you
to be diagnosed with dementia?
Okay, not just Muslims say it but all those who are ignorant of the matter say it too. Does it sound better?
Many people are duped by Muslims. Take the example of persecution of Muslims by Meccans. I read this charade from many eminent scholars who are not Muslims. They are all wrong and I have shown it in my book that there was not persecution of Muslims in Mecca. Yet Montgomery Watt and Sir William Muir thought that there was one. Even impartial people can be fooled.
I need to learn more about this. I hear about mirroring a site but I am not sure what it means.
@Ali,
if you were concerned about judgement day then my question to you is: Who should you be most worried about? yourself and how you look before the eyes of God?
So if it is myself that i should be worried about, and my soul in hell fire, then what makes me a better person before the eyes of God?..
The quote from Jesus, if you bother to read it, gives us all a list of points that we can think about.. HOW DO I BECOME WORTHY OF GOD?
Am i merciful and i will have mercy bestowed on me?
am I a peace maker so that i can be considered a child of God
am i humble and sincere in Loving God and my brother, even my enemy for then i will be worthy of entering the Kingdom of God..
Helping muslims, i am helping myself to be more worthy of God's Love..
peace Ali
re "DDoS attack"
I suspect that is the case and having all your links in one place means that this is easy for them to do..
Have you considered, having mirror sites for static data and especially your "challenge" which poses the greatest threat to islamoficationists.. I have found your site great site for referral when having discussions with muslims.. Spreading the static data across multple sites means that they can never shut down the message..
So Rainbow,
you are admitting that there are no people in your life that you can love? only your animals?
question is do you really love your animals and how much does it take before you turn on them.. say if your cat pisses in the corner or your dog eats the chicken .. do you punish your animal, cut off its paw because it ate the chicken or bird?
Maybe other humans can not love you because of the contempt you have for them..
Maybe you say only animals deserve your love because you feel superiour to them, whereas other humans are too complex for you?
Maybe your mind has been poisoned by bullshit teaching which makes you untrusted and anti social which means nobody wants to be with you even if they love you..
release yoursself from the islamofacation that has turned you into a walking zombie
Don’t become delusional dear. I did not propose and will never propose to a Muslima, especially if she is a hypocrite and a liar who pretends to be an atheist to champion the cause of Islam from that position of perceived impartiality. I merely wanted to congratulate you for your love for animals, that is because I am also an animal lover.
Zionism does not pose any threat to mankind. Zionism is the right of the Jews to have their own country in their ancestral homeland. I am a proud Zionist and supporter of Zionism. Any decent human being must support Zionism. Only hate mongers, anti Semites and savages like Nazis and Muslims are against Zionism. How can any good human refuse the rights of a people to their own homeland and deny them self defense when we know these people have been the target of much venomous attacks throughout the history. Today Jews are targeted not only in the Islamic countries but also in the West. Watch this moving video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaGHUZ-8DWw
As for “Crusaders” posing a threat to mankind, I must really express my sorrow for seeing an otherwise normal human is so ignorant. The Crusaders are part of the history. They are gone. They are dead. They can’t pose a threat to mankind from their graves. What is wrong with you Muslims that you are so incapable of thinking normally?
Too bad, you are a liar, otherwise I would've accepted your proposal !
We don\’t have a system administrator to know exactly what is happening. The useless company we hire to looks at it now say maybe we are under intermittent DDoS attack.
Too bad you are a Muslim hypocrite, otherwise I would have proposed to you.
whoever ALI you are – A SUNNI or SHI'A or ahmadia or ISMAILEE or anything else. Dont you feel utter dishonesty and shame for the things you deliberately write and all lies propagated by you ? ISLAM /Moslems do not believe in freedom,peace, democracy, equality of all people, equality of all religions, gender equality , liberty, freedom to worship, freedom of expression . In Moslem countries it is all discrimination against unbelievers and nonmoslems !!! One law for Moslems – making them special and superior , another law for unbelievers and nonmoslems , making them effectively inferior !!! There are many demonic rules and cruel ,wicked, inhuman rules in SHARIA and HUDDOOED where by the nonmoslems are made to feel to live in fear and terror of ISLAM !!! This is the truth . ALl , all islamic countries are hell holes and engulfed in darkness of ISLAM . ISLAM is a dark chapter in human history. DO you want to live as a good human being. Then leave ISLAM and liberate yourself .
CAN hindus of PAKISTAN have a TV station like the joker ZAKIR ? Can the hINDUS of PAKISATAN can have equal rights , guaranteed by constitution in PAKISTAN or SODI BARBARIA ? or AFGHANISATAN ?
I give my heart and my true love only to the ones they deserve them, my animals.
So you admit you are a pig then, Sakat?
No pigs are very good agent to track ,u guy's
@Sakat.
More BS from you again is it?
The inventor a a pioneering anti terrorism device!
What's next?
The invention of a flying pig?
Just saw teri ammi's mujra denialisnoproof.
And I can say is wah, wah, wah,wah.
ha ha ha Rainbow,
lets talks about the crusaides.. lets look at the facts ..
estimated 270 million people murdered over 1400 years by islamic wars
estimated 230 million slaves captured women and children
over 1400 years there has been less than 100 years with no islamic wars
get a grip .. and who has suffered the most? muslims and especially during the apostate wars where muslims mass murder other muslims.. the symbol ofr islam is crossed swords .. get ready for war rainbow
12.10pm GMT on Dec 13th and I can't access FaithFreedom's server.
What's going on?
@Joe.
We have a whole chapter dedicated to Jesus in the Quran, named Mary. I suggest you read it!
Even Jesus will disown you guys on the Day of Judgement for turning him into God. But that's besides the point.
We actually know more about Jesus and his teachings than you do.
As a matter of fact, with Christmas around the corner, there is no mention of birth celebrations in the writings of early Christian writers such as Irenaeus (c. 130–200) or Tertullian (c. 160–225). Origen of Alexandria (c. 165–264) goes so far as to mock Roman celebrations of birth anniversaries, dismissing them as “pagan” practices.
In about 200 C.E., a Christian teacher in Egypt makes reference to the date Jesus was born. According to Clement of Alexandria, several different days had been proposed by various Christian groups. Surprising as it may seem, Clement doesn't mention December 25 at all.
Clement writes: “There are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord’s birth, but also the day; and they say that it took place in the 28th year of Augustus, and in the 25th day of (the Egyptian month) Pachon (May 20 in our calendar)…And treating of His Passion, with very great accuracy, some say that it took place in the 16th year of Tiberius, on the 25th of Phamenoth (March 21); and others on the 25th of Pharmuthi (April 21) and others say that on the 19th of Pharmuthi (April 15) the Savior suffered. Further, others say that He was born on the 24th or 25th of Pharmuthi (April 20 or 21).
The above is in line with the Quran where Mary is told to shake the trunk of the date palm in order to ease her child birth by eating the dates. And dates ripen in summer and not winter!
One step at a time for you Joe, one step at a time!
And why not the Crusaders or the Zionists also pose a threat to mankind?
Wali (singular), means "ruler"….Awlia' means "rulers"
The verb "Yowalli", means "appoint a ruler".
But, as in English and in any other language, one word can have more than
one meaning….Awliya' also means "protectors" which is close to "rulers",
it can also mean "allies"…….
How can you be sure that the verse meant "allies"?
The word "Wali" was used in those days as a reference to "ruler".
Islamophobia is the fear to accept publicly the problems of Islam and the immoralities of Muhammad to avoid 'offending' people,to be in the 'good books' of everyone.
That is pretty common with politicians and diplomats,which is understandable.Even the Communists,who are by definition Atheists too,have fallen to Islamophobia.That is a shame.
Hear this guy in the video:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1N28FW7dyc
He's not just talking about Islam as a religion,he's talking about a political ideology to rule the world.
It's the duty of every straight thinking individual who respects his rights to stand up to this.Not think that because Islam is also a religion I should keep shut,because I'll hurt Muslims.
They are immigrants in these countries.
No awliya in this context can't mean "rulers".You mean "protectors" perhaps.
Read the whole verse ———–
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
OR
"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun"
If
If Awliya means rulers,then Jews and Christians are rulers of each other?(the second use of Awliya in the same verse).It doesn't make sense.
As per Muhsin Khan it can mean "friends,protectors and helpers",not rulers.
But any of the three meanings,and even if it meant your version of 'ruler',it's still a ridiculous and divisive verse.
Indonesia is a democracy but there is scanty religious freedom.
Ahmadis are killed by Sunnis before the eyes of the police.It's brutal.
Turkey is a little better,but that's because they don't fixate on Quranic laws.Unlike Saudi or Iran,you can move around Turkey without Hijab.In fact headscarves are banned in Turkey for a number of Job positions.Can an Islamic state ban Hijab? Let alone Islamic states,France had a hard time with it.True democracies like Australia is struggling to do it.USA,UK,India can't even think about it.
I feel my stomach is upset ! No doubt, you have low self-esteem, and
you are used to humiliation. If a human has no respect toward himself,
how can he expect any respect from others?
"Still there are some Islamic states having democracy"
It's impossible to be both an Islamic state and a Democracy.
Democracy is defined as one in which people govern themselves or are governed by representatives they choose.They can choose their own laws and amend them.
In an Islamic state,Shariah is followed.There is no choosing nor there are amendments.
"Constitution of Medina had following rights for non-Muslims"
I just read the charter of that constitution.If you're saying that's a democracy,you must be joking.
The charter has:- "Whenever you differ about a matter it must be referred to God and to Muhammad".Obviously God didn't speak to Medinanians,Mo claimed to speak for God.That's not a democracy,it's a theological Monarchy.
Einstein said "The idea of a personal God is childlike".Stop being a child,grow up.
"Constitution of democracy always drafted by bureaucrats or autocrats.I didn't see people are setting up rules for themselves."
You're talking about representative democracy.People elect representatives to frame laws for themselves,if they elect bureaucrats or a representative who turns out to be an autocrat,it's still they who elected him/her.If they are not happy with the results,they throw him/her out.If you were not happy with Mo(post-Mecca Mo) you would either be banished or killed.That's not a democracy.
@ Sina
Your second paragraph: "As for those guys in the video they are wrong. The deity of the Meccans, whom Muhammad adopted as his god and the one worshiped by the Jews were not the same. It does not mean one of them is true and the other is false. They are both figments of human imagination but they are not the same. "
I showed you this video as a respond to your claim when you said that only Muslims say
Allah and God are the same deity.
Those guys are atheists, and they said the same…….then it isn't only the muslims who say so.
You then told me, they are wrong or not expert. As usual, when you find your road blocked,
you take a detoure.
Do you write in some other language and then translate it to English?
It's difficult to comprehend.
"Loki, apart from denial mode there is vacuum in you to understand and blame prophet , Muslim and Islam for anything lol"
There are a lot of basic mistakes in that statement.
1. I'm not in 'denial' mode.something with zero evidence is automatically denied.You don't have to be in a certain 'mode' to dismiss fairy tales.To believe in fairy tales,you may need to be in some mode, maybe 'dumb' mode?
2. I don't blame Mo.I don't need to.I just state the facts about him as written in the hadiths and Quran.
3. I don't blame muslims at all.Most of them are much better humans than what Islam wanted them to be.
4. There's vacuum in everyone! LOL More than 99% of everything is vacuum.But seriously,it is just an attempt of yours to find fault in others when it lies in you.You are searching for an external locus of your own weakness,just opposite of why you believed in Allah.You are a believer because you search for strength outside yourself when you felt weak,fallable or vulnerable.
"This is your hopeless failed escape calling whoever busy in pelting stones at embassies are Muslims . Do you know democracy? ha ha ha"
Again you're misquoting me because you're confused with simple logic.I never said 'only muslims are busy throwing stones at embassies'.I can't say that because that's a gross generalization which are mostly wrong.I'm not a fool that I'll say something which will be most likely wrong.
I was talking about following Muhammad.Most muslims don't follow Muhammad.That's why most of them are good people.
Phobia means unreasonable fear. Anyone who does not fear the threat that Islam poses to mankind, is either very ignorant of this faith or is a fool.
Give me the source, the scientific papers before you repeat this claim else you'll be ignored."
Glad you asked.I think Geller's Papers is a very good start.It's a book that's been edited by Charles Panati,an industrial physicist and science editor of Newsweek,which contains reports conducted by scientists and other experts in various labs,universites and other institutions on Uri Geller's abilities. http://www.uri-geller.com/books/geller-papers/gpa…
Choose any chapter and tell me why,where,how and when the evidence presented in this book is invalid.Perhaps you feel those scientists lacked proper credentials or were biased.Perhaps you feel their methods weren't controlled enough and allowed for large loopholes.
In a proffessional debate,once the evidence is presented,the onus shifts to the opposition to say why it is inadmissible.
The sixth paragraph will be a breach of the constitution, which guarantees the freedom of faith.
I will respond to the rest tomorrow.
So why in the hell Muslims are doing everything they can to come to the west where the Jews, the Christians and the other non-Muslims are the rulers?
No, it doesn't say "friends", it says "Awliya'…" and it means "rulers",
so, he is telling the believers (Muslims), not to take the Jews or Christians
as their rulers.
Do you think I should go and investigate every one of them before concluding that such a thing can't be? "
That's not what I asked you.I asked you to tell me why respected scientists like Russell Targ,Sir William Crookes,Dr Gary Scwartz,Proffessor David Fontana,et al. who have all investigated these phenomena using empirical methods are wrong?
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"Either a miracle or not" is not a neutral scientific position.Get that straight. "Not a miracle until proven otherwise" is. "
You can keep calling them unproven miracles but in a court of law and in science, all evidence shall remain valid that has not been rebutted.Since no scientist have ever rebutted the existing evidence,therefor it shall stand that clairvoyance,telepathy and psychic phenomena are realities.
'He' doesn't have to refute everything! He can maybe hire some people who can?"
That's correct,he can hire an actual scientist
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Did I say that anywhere?"
You've said before that Randi's hoaxes are sufficient refutations
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That's immaterial.He isn't a layman in what he does.Einstein was a layman in mountaineering,Federer is a layman in strip dancing. "
Then Federer should not act as an expert at strip dancing.Get my point?:)
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Even that's not entirely true.Bill Gates is a school dropout,but he understands complex algorithms easier than many Ph.d's in mathematics. "
That's a faulty comparison.Gates has at least 2 years of training at university level but dropped out before graduation.Randy is a high school drop out.
Randi still does not qualify as an expert witness in science or as an objective authority.For this,you need an education in a particular subject in order to deliver expert evidence.Randi is a professional magician,that's it.
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My point was "A miracle is something that's beyond natural.If I have to analyze a miracle claim,…"
Mediumship,psychic phenomena,telepathy and clairvoyance may seem miraculous to those who are not familiar with the evidence.Like I said before,there's an abundance of evidence from credible sources for these "miraculous" phenomena.I'll show you in a minute.
If anybody don't know what is IslamoPhobia ? or have doubt about existence of IslamoPhobia Please read above comment !
Don't you see any creatures with long ears and big heads ?
The same law in Canada is recognized in the U.S. He might say that he is practicing
his right of freedom of speech…….but the law also puts a limit to this freedom, as it
ceases to exist when the freedom of others begins. Freedom of speech does not
mean slander, and slander is punishable by law.
When some Muslims and other readers insult him, they are just returning back to
him the dirt he is throwing.
Muhammad’s constitution in Mecca was imposed on non-Muslims without their participation. The Jews, despite what Muslims claim, never sighed any treaty with Muhammad. Muhammad wrote it, and then he broke it.
\”@Ali Sina. What about Jesus, he was also circumcised. Was he also insane? \”
Did he circumcise himself? He did not care about it and said circumcision is not by cutting a flesh. Philippians 3:3 says \”For we who worship by the Spirit of God are the ones who are truly circumcised. We rely on what Christ Jesus has done for us. We put no confidence in human effort,\”
One who showers every day can keep clean and there is not need for mutilation. Just as we don\’t cut our hands but wash them regularly there is no reason to mutilate our genital when it can be easily washed.
Islam will be banned when most people realize that it is a political ideology of world domination that uses religion as a tool to achieve its goal.
Hi Rajesh, what's posted above could be true. It's a smart move to move it to WordPress. Now you don't have to worry about the stuff anymore.
maybe what you see are zombies .. the living dead.. they may as well be, they hate everyting living and the waste their lives hating
dear '.'
what are you talking about? you find offense where there is no offense to you as a person or muslim..
you seem unable to make the distinction between "the facts about mohammad" and what you believe is true.. the only reason i use the word "facts" is becuase the quotes that are provided are in black and white in texts.. and it is also very clear that muslims are killing, murdering, raping and more for what reasons? "allah told me"
Well said
but it seems that you will find that some here:
– either do not have sisters and just do not care
– they are too young to have their own children so just do not care
– have no respect for their own mothers and would not care if they were taken and raped.
not sure what else to make of the continued justification
quote Mat 5
now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him,
2 and he began to teach them.__The Beatitudes__He said:__
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,_ for theirs is the kingdom of heaven._
4 Blessed are those who mourn,_ for they will be comforted._
5 Blessed are the meek,_ for they will inherit the earth._
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,_ for they will be filled._
7 Blessed are the merciful,_ for they will be shown mercy._
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,_ for they will see God._
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,_ for they will be called children of God._
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,_ for theirs is the kingdom of heaven._
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Dear Ali,
for a start the man you call a prophet is a war that has wagged war against every other religion and you know it.. there have been wars with every other religion since mecca and you talk about respect? what planet are you on?
Tell me how you respect Jesus? yet you know nothing of Jesus..
If you knew Jesus then you would know that God is our judge and we must first look within.
Jesus tells us to be a light and share love… They call Jesus the lamb of God, who died for our sins..
Jesus has died and was risen and that is why there is no grave.
I know you will find that hard to believe, because you do not believe in a powerful God…
Muslims are told they have to kill the nonbeliever.. SHIRK.
Yes, that what I have been saying since long time ago, why only Islam? the other two religions are not better, specially Judaism.
In fact, Islam wouldn't be born, and couldn't exist if those two religions are not there.
And where I said I REPRESENT all humanity. I defend all humanity and for that I don’t need any permission. This is a duty of every human being.
I don’t advocate nuking of all Muslims. But an ultimatum must be given that should they cross the line and nuke our cities we will send them to stone age. I strongly believe if Muslims come to that stage we should not wait but act immediately and destroy them immediately. At that moment who is guilty and who is not become irrelevant. When it comes to that stage the only thing that matters is that we should survive.
There are several reasons for that. First of all non-Muslims are better than Muslims. Muslims have a long way to go to graduate as humans. Their prophet said non-Muslims are worst animals, but he was projecting. In reality Muslims are less than human and it does not require a lot of arguments to prove that. This is pretty much obvious. Just see how they live in their own natural habitats. Even when they come to the west they transform the exquisite and picturesque cities into kasbahs. I don’t play political correctness. Muslims are savages. Anyone who denies this obvious fact is fooling himself and others.
The second reason is that should we sit on our hands and don’t retaliate exproportionately they will continue nuking our cities and more people will die. We should not play this game. If they nuke one city we should nuke 10 or 100 of their cities. They must be paralyzed. Otherwise More people will be killed from both sides.
The third reason is that should Muslims win, that won’t be the end of war. Then they will fall on each other like mad dogs and nuke one another to extinction. Muslims are very stupid people. Don’t try to be politically correct. This is a patent fact. Now imagine all the nuclear arsenals of the world in the hands of these very stupid people.
As for Muslims living in the west, they should be immediately rounded up, asked about their allegiance and if they claim to be Muslims they should be shipped back to where they came from. Many polls show that over 80% of Muslims of second and third generation of immigrants do not feel any sense of loyalty to their host countries. Their loyalty is to Islam. They are basically the enemy living among us. And why would we want to keep them? The converts to Islam should be given the choice to go to an Islamic country of their choice or they should be sent to a concentration camp. They have become enemies of their own people. Those who denounce Islam can stay. This is in accordance to Islamic teachings of the Quran too. So before you become shocked, read the Quran and you’ll see what I am prescribing is only their own medicine. If that medicine is good for non-Muslims why should it we deprive Muslims from it?
All these sound harsh measures today, but when we come to that stage, there will be really no other choice. Imagine London, New York and Los Angeles are nuked and millions are dead. Muslims are demanding our unconditional surrender or they will nuke ten other cities? Will any sane person will want to sit and negotiate? Of course not. With the exception of Obama who is a Muslim imposter is in the White House, no sane leader of the free world would hesitate to do what I wrote above. There is really no other option.
That is why I am working so hard now. I want to help the majority of Muslims see that Islam is insanity and leave it. Once most of them leave their demonic faith in a madman Islam will be defanged. Islam’s strength is in the number of its adherents. Most Muslims are peaceful people. That is because they are ignorant of Islam. That is not a valid excuse. Most Germans were also peaceful. Their support of Hitler, helps that madman commit those crimes. When the allies bombed Berlin, they did not ask who is pro Hitler and who is not. Berlin had to be demolished and the morale of the Germans had to be destroyed for the war to end. When Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked everyone new that innocent people will die too. But when in war that question does not count anymore. The nuking of these two cities ended the war.
Muslims must wake up and realize the biggest instinct we human have is the instinct of survival and if they cross that line, they will be destroyed, not because I say so but because this is the human nature. So pull you heads out of your rear orifices and realize your stupidity may be the cause of your complete demise. Leave this insane religion that tells you kill others to go to paradise so you can bang hores. Your prophet was a liar and your stupid adherence to that madman may bring your extermination and I assure you there are not going to be any hores for you to screw in the afterlife.
It will be banned when religions cease to exist……
and when it is proven scientifically that it is harmfull…….
So far, science proved just the opposite.
Why was Rashad Khalifa killed ? What are Dr Sina's views about Submitters ? I already given then please provide the link.
Why? Because of stupidity. People do stupid things because it is tradition. Ask those idiots who commit this crime on your children why they do it and they have no answer, except that it is a tradition. They may even give the silly argument that it is for hygiene. How much more stupid one can get?
Sex for a circumcised man is like having intercourse while wearing 12 condemns. Yes you can enjoy it but it is not the same.
I don\’t give a damn if a person converts to Islam and does this to himself when he is an adult. Actually that would be a good thing. He pays for his stupidity. But no one has the right to do this to his child.
This should be banned and the doctors who practice it should be fined or their lenience taken away. The doctor\’s job is to improve life not to make it worse for money. Circumcision is an unethical practice.
This is another myth. Why would Abraham take Hagar and Ismael so far away? I know that man was nuts but was he really this crazy? If he had to kick the rude woman and her bastard child out of his house he did not have to travel 1000 km from Canaan to Mecca and leave a woman with a newly born child in the desert. Furthermore there are other variations of this story. The Bible says Ismael and Hagar remained in the house of Abraham until Issac was born and Ismael who was 14 years older than his sibling used to abuse Isaac. Well, it seems that nothing has changed after nearly 4000 years.
Anyway, these are fables.
قُلْ هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُم بِشَرٍّ مِّن ذَٰلِكَ مَثُوبَةً عِندَ اللَّهِ ۚ مَن لَّعَنَهُ اللَّهُ وَغَضِبَ عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهُمُ الْقِرَدَةَ وَالْخَنَازِيرَ وَعَبَدَ الطَّاغُوتَ ۚ أُولَـٰئِكَ شَرٌّ مَّكَانًا وَأَضَلُّ عَن سَوَاءِ السَّبِيلِ
Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, and those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, and those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell-fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #60)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
Canada is yet to ban Wahabism.
Don't you know they are all from the same family?
Don't you know the story of Isaac and Ishmael, the sons of Abraham?
Isaac is the father of Jews, while Ishmael is the father of the Arab-Muslims.
No, he will not burn you for not worshiping him…
If, and I emphasise on "IF", there is something
after death, your wicked acts will burn you.
Because they are primitive.
Yet, I still believe it is clean.
I am not against nor with circumcision, and I don't care what men do with their pennies.
But if circumcision is that bad, according to your opinion, why it is operated in all the hospitals of the U.S. ? the doctors would know that and advise the parents.
Plus, regarding sex pleasure, you
and I know that Muslim men really enjoy sex……..to the limit that even their promised heaven is sex….
haven't you said so ?
"Constitution of democracy always drafted by bureaucrats or autocrats. I didn't see people are setting up rules for themselves. In fact they have to follow rules. What is democracy then?"
Not by bureaucrats or autocrats, but by chosen governments and parliaments!!!
Anonymous, thanks for responding. You want to be brief because you are from SMS-generation?
Yes, I am soooo loyal to Democracy and if Muslims would achieve real democracy in almost all their (important) states, and when too they would always side with democratic states against theocratic and dictatorial states, when states are opposed to each other, then my problem with Islam would be completely over. Now it's only a few Islamic states, like Turkey and Indonesia. and these side far too much with hostile theocratic dictatorial states, I think.
But like Loki I do not believe your claims. But if these claims help Muslims to be pro-Democracy, then I'm glad YOU and other Muslims believe them.
I think real operative Democracy only developed after Enlightenment and that the 5 pillars of Democracy are: Fair elections, constitutional state, separation between church and state, autonomy of the individual as much as possible, and freedom of speech.
Anonymous, thanks for responding. You want to be brief because you are from SMS-generation?
Yes, I am soooo loyal to Democracy and if Muslims would achieve real democracy in almost all their (important) states, and when too they would always side with democratic states against theocratic and dictatorial states, when states are opposed to each other, then my problem with Islam would be completely over. Now it's only a few Islamic states, like Turkey and Indonesia. and these side far too much with hostile theocratic dictatorial states, I think.
But like Loki I do not believe your claims. But if these claims help Muslims to be pro-Democracy, then I'm glad YOU and other Muslims believe them.
I think real operative Democracy only developed after Enlightenment and that the 5 pillars of Democracy are: Fair elections, constitutional state, separation between church and state, autonomy of the individual as much as possible, and freedom of speech.
Few Quick questions for All Muslims.
Do you agree and ready to give your six years old daughter to 49 years old man in order to follow MD and become pious like Abu Bakr (The guided one)?
Do you want to be born of a concubine, like Ibrahim who was the illegitimate child of MD with one of his concubines?
Do want to be raided by some pious prophet and your mother ,sister and daughter taken as concubines and booty?
Do you want to be killed along your dad and brother in law by some pious prophet and your sister to be taken and married by that pious and merciful prophet?
At only with few examples muslims would start abusing that prophet with latest and filthiest words, but as soon as it comes to their original Prophet MD, all atrocities become pious, divine, and command of God, they immediately go blind, brain dead now. Why they dont't abuse now? Please go ahead abuse prophet MD as much as possible.
There are already movies. Go burn your potato for your wacko attempt of defaming .
Loki, apart from denial mode there is vacuum in you to understand and blame prophet , Muslim and Islam for anything lol
This is your hopeless failed escape calling whoever busy in pelting stones at embassies are Muslims . Do you know democracy? ha ha ha
Deep Impact ,presumptions and assumptions..Cary on .
Don't jump to conclusions at will, u know what would be the result.
________Jews and Christians are sinners ____
Who are sinner. Sinner are those who do crime against humanity. Worshiping or not worshiping God before Kaaba stone or other stones does not make one sinner. Following Circumcision practice or not following does not make one sinner. Such things are personal matter. If you cut your hand you are not sinner because you do not do any crime against humanity.
How do you represent all of humanity Ali Sina? On whose authority did you take up this mantle? Who gave you the vote and right on behalf of humanity?
For someone who advocates the nuking of all Muslim lands, I don't think you fit the bill for a humanist fighting on behalf of humanity. Devil worshiping enemy of civilization, yes, but not humanist.
As far as Jews, Christian and Muslims are concerned, we are from the same family. Just because you and a handful of others say we ain't doesn't mean anything. You even said Obama is not American. And look what happened? He is President for the second time!
@Sanatan Dharma
So what you are now saying is that the term Prophet as described in literally all the dictionary's in the world is wrong, because you said so?
You must keep the Hinduism preaching to yourself.
If Mohammed didn't know that the book was to be called the Quran, then please explain why Quran itself is mentioned 70 times in the Quran.
Here, take this to the bank for starters:
2:185 Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.
4:82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
6:19 Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."
7:204 When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace: that ye may receive Mercy.
15:87 And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an.
16:98 When thou dost read the Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Satan the rejected one.
17:106 (It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it by stages.
But according to your logic, which is paramount with Hindus by the way, Mohammed did not know the term Quran?
And as far as Vedas and God is concerned, which God are you referring to? Don't you guys believe in millions of gods? Who is THE God for your guys?
@Ali
"How can you give something if you don't have it to give in the first place"
Good question.
How can be Allah giver if takers (souls) were not existed since eternity. Allah was not God of anyone since eternity.
We have already many serials on Avtrars like Sai Baba, Rama, Krishna etc. Now, I like to see movie on Muhammed. How he raided, raped and made sex slave to women? Many Indian people who are not aware about Mohammed and think Mohammed was a saintly person like Buddha, Mother Teresa, Gandhi etc. Movies on him will expose Islam.
@Ali Sina. How can you give something if you don't have it to give in the first place?
Have you lodged the funds into a neutral lawyers account or escrow account? Nope. Is a 3rd Party holding the funds for dispersal after your challenge is met (which for the record has been met years ago), but you're still around. Nope.
It's like me offering to give you the Mona Lisa Painting. You know it will never happen as I don't possess it.
Why do you think the Saudis haven't even bothered with you, despite how much money they have? Because they know you is a con man. All hot air and no substance!
Islam speaks for itself and you can never do anything to damage or hurt it. The only thing you are hurting is yourself.
Furthermore, just so that everyone can be put into the picture, when you were a Muslim in Iran, which Hadiths were you taught from, in addition to the Quran?
I am a Muslim and you say I am preposterous and narcissistic . This is enough to prove who is suffering mental disorder lol.
Let me tell you one thing your atheist version of psychology can't handle religious subjects coz of inability to penetrate beyond sub consciousness.
I don't have any task to correct you or refute you. I behave as in process if process need I may refute you, correct you , defeat you , smash you or let you go.
Last time I corrected you about your future projection of Muslims and Jews and give you enough resource that proved you wrong. But you shamelessly skip that. I wonder if anyone can correct you behaving like this that total waste of time !
@Ali Sina. What about Jesus, he was also circumcised. Was he also insane?
We've got you to admit that Judaism and Islam are barbaric, the only one left is Christianity. This one will be hard for you I know in case your right wing Christian 'masters' find out, but you can do it.
Furthermore, a Cochrane meta-analysis of studies done on sexually active men in Africa found that circumcision reduces the infection rate of HIV among heterosexual men by 38%–66% over a period of 24 months.
The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends considering it as part of a comprehensive HIV program in areas with high endemic rates of HIV.
Circumcision reduces the incidence of HSV-2 infections by 28%, and is associated with reduced HPV prevalence and a reduced risk of both urinary tract infections (UTIs) and penile cancer.
It is estimated that one-third of males worldwide are circumcised.
Furthermore, Christopher Columbus found circumcision in practice by the native Americans. It was also practiced by the Incas, Aztecs and Mayans. Were they Muslims, Jews or Christians?
Finally, as recently as August 2012, the The American Academy of Pediatrics has shifted its stance on infant male circumcision whereas before it held a neutral position.
Either way, there will be people for and against until the end of days. If you are not happy with your circumcision, you can always take skin from your butt and have it resewn onto your penis and get a new foreskin. Technology nowadays in the cosmetics dept can literally do anything.
If it can make Michael Jackson white, they sure can give you a new foreskin.
"Although I have not given up the thought of overcoming some of those flaws. "
Same was revealed in Veda
Yajurved 19.77
- All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
"Although I have not given up the thought of overcoming some of those flaws. "
Same was revealed in Veda
Yajurved 19.77
- All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
"The Constitution of Medina founding the First Islamic State is the first Constitution of democracy in the history of constitutional rule."
That's rubbish.
Democracy is rule of people according to rules 'they' set up for themselves.
Islamic state is a 'theocracy'.Most of it is so immoral that no sane person will accept it.
That's a big load of nonsensical assertions,plus bits and parts of the same old arguments put across by apologists.Most of it doesn't merit any response as it doesn't make any sense.
"Shocking is that if you don't have any counter biography of successful man"
You mean Mo's?I don't need 'counter biographies for him! The hadiths themselves are a gruesome tale of his immoralities and atrocities.
If you are trying to be peaceful by following Mo,the most peaceful you'll get to is pelting stones at embassies.
"There's plenty of anecdotal and scientific evidence on psychic phenemena and controlled scientific experiments that yielded positive for psi results but a closed minded skeptic cannot accept the evidence because it contradicts his or her deeply cherished materialist views"
Give me the source, the scientific papers before you repeat this claim else you'll be ignored.
Regardless of Randi's degrees, he has exposed scores of frauds. That is a great contribution to society. His competence in Vector integration is immaterial to that.
Doomed are the societies that build up legends around cheats like Edwards.I live in a country where superstition is rampaging.There are thousands of God-men, crystal ballers etc. Do you think I should go and investigate every one of them before concluding that such a thing can't be? If they were so great, why not help a poor country by predicting the next day's NASDAQ score for them? Or help a poor guy by telling him the number of the winning lottery ticket?
"Either a miracle or not" is not a neutral scientific position.Get that straight. "Not a miracle until proven otherwise" is.
That is nature of Great person. Buddha never said he is a Saint. A great poet says he is not great poet. A great actor says he does not think himself great. Like Great Indian poet Tulsidas says " I am no poet nor an adept in the art of speech am a cipher in all arts and sciences.
infidel/kafir has been watching one too many bollywood flicks.
Apart from the peace on earth thing, he also thinks father christmas is real and will be visiting him in person to drop off his present.
"If Randi is not academically informed in scientific methodology,what other method could he use to refute the successful psi results attained under controlled conditions by brilliant scientists such as Russell Targ"
'He' doesn't have to refute everything! He can maybe hire some people who can?
"Are Randi's magic tricks and subjective opinions superior to the scientific method?"
Did I say that anywhere?My point was if a claimed 'miracle' can be replicated by a natural procedure,I'll not conclude it was not performed with supernatural abilities,but by a well-disguised natural process i.e. magic.
"Randi is nothing but a layman"
That's immaterial.He isn't a layman in what he does.Einstein was a layman in mountaineering,Federer is a layman in strip dancing.
"In science and the court of law,anything you say as a layman is subject to complete invalidation"
Even that's not entirely true.Bill Gates is a school dropout,but he understands complex algorithms easier than many Ph.d's in mathematics.
"The rest of your post is a fallacy of overgeneralization.I agree there are frauds but they do not invalidate other gifted mediums and psychics"
It isn't! I never made the generalization.You committed strawman. Perhaps you didn't understand my point,or I didn't explain simply.
My point was "A miracle is something that's beyond natural.If I have to analyze a miracle claim,the neutral position will be that it's a fraud unless proven otherwise.That will be the null hypothesis.That it could be either natural or supernatural is not a neutral position,it's a position not based on any evidence -past or present."
Hope you are clear now.
And it is also the nature of a fallible man who is quite aware of his fallibility and does not pretend to be something he is not. No I am not a saint, not even a beato. (In Catholicism this is one stage bellow sainthood) I have plenty of flaws. Although I have not given up the thought of overcoming some of those flaws.
To talk so earnestly/sincerely is nature of Saint. I bow head in your pious feet.
It is not HATE but Sympathy for People like you & Concern for Liberty of the Restof Mankind people like Ali Sina are struggling to eradicate Illogical & Savage Ideologies imposed in the name of Invisible & Immortal Tyrant.
I wish 1% of what you say were true. The reason I am irrefutable is not because I am smart or wise or knowledgeable. I have learned a trick. Anybody using that trick becomes irrefutable. The trick is, never say anything you can’t defend and if you are proven wrong immediately accept it and don’t argue about it. That is basically it. It is very simple. Anyone can do it.
I try not to pontificate on subjects that I know noting about. That hides my ignorance. But no one is perfect and I do say stupid things that are not true. When someone points that out I immediately say. yes I agree with you. You are absolutely right. This again hides the fact that I actually was wrong and was corrected by my opponent. So I come across as a learned man, which only I know is not true. Well, now you know that too.
There are millions of Scholors Denying Theory of Adam & Eve, Flat Earth etc. etc. with Clear & Convincing Arguements – Understand !?!
Mr AminRiad alias Doubting Thompson there is No Evidence about Revealations. No body has seen/heard True God( if seen/heard where is the evidence). Why are you Shooting & Scooting
Ok….Islam has thrived with deciption…..
I don't think you will
Why You/ Your Ancestors have not been Enlightened, Why an Ordinary Illiterate was Enlightened. What prevented mighty mighty Almighty from Enlightening Every Body at once by a BROADCAST !
If that all what you can see, it is time to have an eye exam.
Ali Sina you are prophet of Islam. All Hindu, Christian, Buddhist are in your support & amazed to see your great wisdom. I would say you are supporting the existence of Hindu, Cristian and Buddhist. It is greatest thing you are irrefutable to till date. I would say your are greatest scholar of modern time.
As per Science Man is the Culmination of Millions of Genes Donated by many such Countless Animals over millions of Years. Man has not been Designed, Developed, Produced & Air-dropped from Heavens Overnight. So it is Obvious that these animals deserve their Due Respect !
Yes, I can….he was richer……
sometimes I believe you are jealous of him, because
he accumulate a big wealth, although they didn't
have a PayPal button at that time.
This exagurated hate of yours is unbelievable.
Isn't wealth your main target?
Why you are struggling (with Twisted Arguements)to Counter comments here. Are you under Compulsion or Fear OR are you suffering from 'Compulsive Denial Disorder Syndrome'. Are you afraid 'Otherwise your Merciful God will dump you in Hell Fire'.
I didn\’t say I am better than Muslims. That would be preposterous and narcissistic. That is the kind of things you would hear from Muhammad and God save me from his mental disorder. I said I have a better understanding of Muhammad than Muslims. Yes of course it is different and it is also better. It is better because it is not based on blind faith but on reason and science (human psychology)
\”And what if they come to you and correct your lenses ? lol \”
I welcome that and I will give them $50 K reward for correcting me. Would you like to correct me?
Oh Muslims and Jews can't have pleasure of sex ! let me see who is having it. lol
Alert : Penile cancer, HIV, HPV , STD , UTI , phimosis ,paraphimosis ,balanoposthitis
No other Religion Claims it is PERFECT & UNQUESTIONABLE. No other Religion is as Violent as Religion of Peace. No other God is as Cruel as the Most Merciful. No other God is as SELFISH as your True God !!!
Correct understanding, so Muslim's understanding is incorrect understanding.
And you said you are better than Muslim's so you have more incorrect understanding.
What you need to say that you have other or different or correct understanding but should not say better than Muslims !
As a Muslim I know what you mean from your intention but you failed to express right.
"If they come to see him as I see him none of them will remain a Muslim" And what if they come to you and correct your lenses ? lol
Pooh! I Pity you! You are suffering from " COMPULSIVE DENIAL DISORDER SYNDROME "
Your situation is like some body peeping into Play-Boy. You people can not control your ANXIETY to understand the Reality but unable to Accept it !!
Where is the evidence for REVEALATIONS. How to believe it, it may be only a Psycho-Ploy to Mentally Enslave man-kind by Religious Imperialism
Yes actually my experience was traumatic. They did this on me when I was nine and it was done by a villager, not a doctor. It was painful but I accepted it as something necessary and did not think about it. Only when I grew up and realized circumcision is only a stupid ritual, not necessary and in fact detrimental I became angry about it. I am glad I stopped this stupid operation to be performed on my nephew.
If someone does this to his or her child out of ignorance they can be forgiven. I don’t hold grudges against my parents for this as they did what they thought was the right thing to do. But if someone, in this day and age that there is so much information available on the Internet still goes ahead and mutilates his son he can’t be forgiven. No parent has the right to do this to their child and deprive him of normal sexual pleasure. Isn’t that insanity?
Men who have been circumcised all their lives can’t even know what sex it. Those who perform circumcision as adult often say sex is never as pleasurable after circumcision as it was before it. Anyone who reads this, don’t commit this crime to your child. Muhammad and Moses were not sane. We don’t have to follow what they said. Follow science and reason.
Looks like you had a dreadful experience.
Is circumcision in Iran operated
by butchers?
Yours and my statements are not mutually exclusive. I do believe that I have the correct understanding of Muhammad while all Muslims are confused about him. If they come to see him as I see him none of them will remain a Muslim, Eventually they will. I have made him so transparent that it is impossible for anyone to not see through him. The sixth edition of my book will be available on Amazon within a few days. I will also make it available as eBook. This book leaves no room for doubting.
No hate for Idol worshipers, not worshiping Allah who punishes the people for not getting worship from them, Not believing blindly in any book. Who believes in all this. Will you call him Saitan? If yes, there must have some mental disorder in you.
http://agniveer.com/religion-vedas/
Religion of Veda
Yajurved 19.77
- All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
. Yajurved 36.18
- Humans should never hate any other living being and interact with each other with love and affection
- Humans should consider all living beings as their friends and work for prosperity of everyone
Demsci lets go brief .
If you are loyal to democracy
"The Constitution of Medina founding the First Islamic State is the first Constitution of democracy in the history of constitutional rule."
Jihad is task oriented struggle of self , society , empire which is not novice or something foreign to human nature !
Counterjihadists are not anti-Islamists coz they think Jihad is only face of Islam and ignore other aspects.These are only politically motivated players.
Not all Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and divers are anti-Islamists. Numbers of anti-Islamists are actually in fraction compared to Muslims and pro-Islamists.
@Ali
This is wrong as per Sanatan Dharma/eternal religion. As per Sanatan Dharma God no need of postmen to deliver its massage
"
The concept of Ishwar / God sending Prophets/postman is the most silly concept to have. For example, Muslims consider that Allah is all-powerful yet believe in Prophets/postman. Thus they imply that Allah is not capable enough to directly guide the living beings and hence has to use agents like Prophets and Angels to help Him out.
And look at the defective ways of God when he acts through postman/Prophets. Jesus is supposed to be a Prophet and he could not help document the Bible properly. Whatever he did goes in vain because original Bible does not exist. Similarly Muhammad is alleged to be a Prophet of Allah but could not properly document Quran during his lifetime. He did not even know that his book will be called Quran. The Quran was later compiled only 20 years after his death, in most controversial manner. The oldest Quran available today is 300 years after Muhammad’s death and is said to be copy of the Quran compiled 20 years after his death. Such are the ways of those superstitious cults who believe in Prophets..
But As per Veda God is truly all-Powerful and hence directly communicates with all souls instead of using agents. And what more, through His inner voice, He ensures that even if we do not have access to Vedas, we are still nurtured and guided by Him like a mother caring for her child.
As per Veda God is within us and outside us. So He needs no third-party outsourcing agents to guide us. So ONLY such an omniscient omnipresent all-powerful caring and just Ishwar should be worshipped by us. All prophets are falsehoods and gravest insult to glory of God. Hence they should be immediately rejected by those who have any respect for Ishwar/ Allah or God. http://agniveer.com/god-vedas-hinduism/
"I say you should say "I understand Muhammad other than all Muslims"
Ok this brings confliction."
Fair enough. Let it bring verbal conflicts, much discussion, and hopefully compromise, or some kind of resolution so that Mankind can move on.
The point is that there are now 2 and not just 1 mainstream opinions about Mohammed, known to both many Muslims and other people. And that the 2 can compete, under freedom of speech, and that the 2 can be compared, by pro- and contra, and then by onlookers, who can be judge and jury. And then let the best opinion about Mohammed win!
And when there two mainstream opinions about Mohammed and Islam, the big question that Muslims will have to keep answering first is: Is Islam true, or perhaps true enough? Because you can have benefits of Islam now but what is it worth if it is not or only partially true?
In the case of Islam being not (completely) true, Muslims can choose plenty alternatives for (parts of) Islam.
"Shocking is that if you don't have any counter biography of successful man . Your so called morality is not universal it differ from person to person , ages to ages , society to society , nation to nation."
Very interesting. I do see that Islam at least has a comprehensive message and comprehensive goals, with a clear leader, Mohammed, who indeed was very successful (which is not to say that he was right and righteous).
I do see that it looks to many like counterjihadists are mostly negative people, primarily against something, not for something. I do see that problem (too).
And I do see that Ali Sina and the many counterjihadists and posters are very divers and not promoting a clear, one-person-one-message-alternative to Islam. Rather, the counterjihadists are a (very) loose coalition, of Atheists, Christians, Hindoes, Buddhists and divers.
But counterjihadists do favor mostly freedom, autonomy for individuals, democratic societies and laws.
And do also claim that Islam is not TRUE, or only a little bit true, and that there are TRUER alternatives to Islam.
And certainly on moral issues/ questions all competitors of Islam in religions/ ways of life, personal and societal goals, do not lack moral principles at all, but provide them as much or more/ better than Islam.
You said "I understand Muhammad better than all Muslims"
This brings you leader in Muslims
I say you should say "I understand Muhammad other than all Muslims"
Ok this brings confliction.
Actual status is confliction so I am right.
Above proved I have better understood yourself than you !
Not at all. The offer stands. If you or anyone can prove me wrong, he can have the money. But that is like saying if you can prove day is night you will win. If I had one in a billion doubt in my mind about Islam I would not have dared to start exposing it and piss a deity as ruthless and sanguinary as Allah. $50 K dollars is nothing compared to an eternal life of burning in hell. I have no doubt whatsoever that Muhammad was a charlatan liar. So just as I am sure I won\’t be burning in hell for saying this, I am also sure that I am not going to lose that money.
That is straw man. I never said such thing. I said I understand Muhammad better than all Muslims and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. This does not mean my knowledge of Islam is superior to them. Many Muslims have a lot more knowledge of the details of Islam but they have little understanding of it and its founder.
As for those guys in the video they are wrong. The deity of the Meccans, whom Muhammad adopted as his god and the one worshiped by the Jews were not the same. It does not mean one of them is true and the other is false. They are both figments of human imagination but they are not the same.
Why some Guys term Jews or perhaps Christians with same titles?
So, everybody who doesn't agree with
what you think and say, is not an expert !
Do you seriously think that this submit
to any logic?
It is obvious that those guys are educated,
experienced and studied the lesson well..
they just cannot be atheists otherwise.
So, everybody who doesn't agree with
what you think and say, is not an expert !
Do you seriously think that this submit
to any logic?
It is obvious that those guys are educated,
experienced and studied the lesson well..
they just cannot be atheists otherwise.
whoa whoa whoa….stop here. You do gamble,
but you know how slip away when you lose.
Your new identity … what is it atheist? christian ? agnostic ?. You are struggling you are still ex-Muslim dominated by Muslim.
Lets take example of Yusuf Estes. Everyone knew he was a christian but no one know him as ex-christian ! Everyone says he is a Muslim. This is what his new identity has overcome his old identity. You can find reasons why?. In your case you are struggling miserably for your new identity and end up hating Islam. This is more your emotional crack down which have confliction with your intellectual findings.
Tell me if you want to continue process of your finding realities, validity, reasoning, truth about Islam. But if you hit with your own pre made conclusions and start abusing Islam and prophet as you usually do out of frustrations , I am going to smash you . I have no other solutions to animals to waste time. ✓Yes or x No
Bravooooooooo…..
Applauuuuuuuud (with slippers)
How many months it took you
doing this rehearsal?
and in what way is it related to my comment?
and how is our world full of peace
and love and everything beautiful?
this is heaven not earth !
You have just hatched and emerged
from your egg .
\”So Jews are also brainwashed, because they practice circumcision as instructed in the Bible: \”
Yes of course. Circumcision is a very stupid and primitive practice.
Why are you so worried about the $50,000 dollars. That money will never be paid. I am not a gambler and will not bet on things that have a chance of losing. There is no chance of losing that money because there is no chance for you Muslims to refute me.
These are stupid teachings. Show me one Jew or Christian who follows them. But Muslims believe in the asinine verses of Muhammad and are busy killing people who don\’t believe in Islam or don\’t interpret it they way they interpret it.
“Christianity, Judaism and Islam all belong to the same Abrahamic family.”
And this is the Islamic deception. On one hand Muhammad placed himself on the same line of biblical prophets and at the same time he berated their religions and called for the murder and subjugation of their followers. It is time to expose this deception and show the true face of Islam.
Islam has thrived with this deception. It lies and deceives to divide people to weaken them and then to destroy them. The example comes form the conniving Muhammad who deceived the Bani Quraiza and the Confederates and won the war of Khandaq as the result. Muslims continue with this game of deception.
Here you want the Jews and the Christians to take your side, but at the same time you burn the churches, massacre the Christians and your hatred of the Jews in unbounded. I would like to make all sides realize that our only enemy is Islam. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Humanists may have different opinions but we can get along and we won’t surely kill each other for these differences of opinions. Muslims on the other hand see all of us as kafir and will exterminate us one by one.
This war is not a religious war and if it were I would not be interested. It is the war between Islam and humanity. I am fighting for humanity which includes everyone, religious or not.
Why should I be angry with you? I am trying to sort out the problems affecting the sites that go down all the time. Something is wrong with the codes in faithfreedom site and we can\’t figure it out. It affects the server and also other sites. If I find time I would like to finish my book of myths.
Yep. They sure do.
@infidel/kafir.
The good thing about you is that you actually live up to your name. We don't expect anything less from the likes of you.
Keep it up kuffaar.
They hide like sewer rats when they
get cornered.
i can see the angry muslims
RAINBOW;;; ISLAM/QQUURRAAN/ALLAH/MO are a big hoax, a greatest calamity fell on humanity.
There is nothing original in QQUURRAAN !!! Tell or show us what is new and original idea in QQUURRAAN , that was not known , before ISLAM/MO , so called revelations !!! None. MO deceived, used his evil, cruel, deeds,actions to instill fear, terrorize and subjugate unbelievers. MO copied, ideas, plagiarized stories from judaism, christianity , adopted customes from preislamic arabic folk lore. MO brought cruel deeds, evil thoughts, violations of good traditions, committed extremely abhorable,disgusting actions that makes any decent good human being to hang his head in shame. What do you like about MO the monster profiteer profit?
Dear Ali Sina sir,
Why are you wasting your precious time in the discussion with these idiots, instead write some more mind-blowing articles. You need not answer all their craps. We will take care of them, better you allow Julia to handle them. I have given you few topics to write articles on, which is more important. I am waiting for your reply that if you agree or not, what is your opinion on that. Are you angry with me? Please don't be. I am your one of the biggest well wisher.
Thanks and Regards,
Abid Ali
Who are apes and pigs ? as per Al Qaeda ?
ISLAM /MO/ ALLAH are all falsehoods. ISLAM was/is a biggest hoax. ISLAM is evil, cruel, wicked and total darkness. ISLAM will make this world a hell hole . QQUURRAAN is wholely unholy. Mo was a monster.Read SIRA.READ HADIS. READ QQUURRAAN. Be honest and live and tell yourself to be like a honest and good human being.
ISLAM is a dark chapter in human history . The existence of ISLAM in this free, freedom, peace loving world, equality promoting world, compassionate world – is a challenge and a blot on human consciouness. ISLAM is filled with hatred, ISLAM teaches,preaches, hatred, violence, discrimination, ISLAM makes a woman sex robot , ISLAM preaches sex slavery. ISLAM is based on fear, fear of grave, terror by ISLAMISTS . ISLAM is slavery. ISLAM is fascism. ISLAM is intolerance. ISLAM is inequality. SO, by the way , you cant see anything good in this world through ISLAMIC DARKNESS. Rainbow cant form in ISLAMIC darkness !!!!! true.true.true.
faizfaizi::: Great attack on truth !!! You are a Moslem. Lying and deception and hatred are the core principles and traits of ISLAMISTS/MOSLEMS/MUSSALMANS . Read SIRA, READ HADIS, READ QQUURRAAN. What do you find there ? Pure hatred, exclusivity, intolerance, incitement to violence,killing, discrimination against unbelievers,infidels/kafirs,, sex, slavery, rape, loot , ill will, Mubahila, fatwas,jihads, apostacy, blasphemy , jannath, 72 HOORIS , murtads, mushriqins etc, etc and fascism .
Why do you want to follow a MONSTER < Propit profiteer MO ? MO was a liar, a lecher, a pedo, a rapist, a killer, sex maniac, a slave promoter, a fascist , etc etc !!! which one of these facts and true traits of Mo and Moslems do you like and do not like ? tell us .
I don't blame Edwards for not taking on Randi's challenge.Most gifted mediums and psychics know Randi's challenge is just another hoax.You can read more about here http://newsvoice.se/2010/05/02/james-randi-and-hi…
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There's is no amount of evidence that would satisfy a pathological skeptic like Randi.There's plenty of anecdotal and scientific evidence on psychic phenemena and controlled scientific experiments that yielded positive for psi results but a closed minded skeptic cannot accept the evidence because it contradicts his or her deeply cherished materialist views.This is the fallacy of a dismissing evidence on a priori beliefs.
But credentials are so very much relevant.If Randi is not academically informed in scientific methodology,what other method could he use to refute the successful psi results attained under controlled conditions by brilliant scientists such as Russell Targ.
Are Randi's magic tricks and subjective opinions superior to the scientific method?
Randi is nothing but a layman.In science and the court of law,anything you say as a layman is subject to complete invalidation.
The rest of your post is a fallacy of overgeneralization.I agree there are frauds but they do not invalidate other gifted mediums and psychics.Just because one is able to forge a check does not mean all checks are forgeries.Just because one is able to break world records using performance enhancement drugs does not mean all olympic gold medalist record breakers are cheats.
Butt kissing your Christian masters again are we Ali Sina? Don't worry, Spencer and Geller are not on here to see.
Christianity, Judaism and Islam all belong to the same Abrahamic family.
It is your Atheism and Hinduism that belongs in the same family. So what you should be advising your Hindu fans is to stick with you, whilst Jews, Christians and Muslims stick together.
Ali Sina is not following Sanatan Dharma, but is following Satans Dharma.
Get it right.
@Plain truth.
The land you are looking for is Canaan, in light of the verses you posted.
I haven't a problem with Jews living in Israel along with the Christians and Muslims all in harmony. It's the Eastern European block immigrants that were put there by the British after World War 2, which is the stumbling block. The Eastern Europeans can go back to where they came from, if they cannot live in harmony.
Simple.
@Ali Sina. You still are hellbent on plugging the book at every turn. How about the 7th Edition. When will we see that hit the shelves?
Getting back to the point, do you accept the Hadith I quoted earlier regarding the Golden Rule as authentic or not?
And what do you say about Apostasy as mentioned in the Bible, which is applicable to Jews and Christians?
Deuteronomy 13:6-11:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again".
To compound the issue further, Jesus said:
Matthew 5:17-18
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished".
Can you therefore start slating the Jews and Christians as well please.
@Sanatan Dharma
According to the Dictionary, the definition of a Prophet is:
a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.
Exactly which God, deity or divine inspiration does Ali Sina speak from?
@Radan.
How is your Guru, Ali Sina gonna pay $50k, when he cannot even muster up a few hundred dollars to keep his website running? He has to beg you guys to help him!
Does that look like the dude has $50k sitting around to give out.
Of course not.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
So Jews are also brainwashed, because they practice circumcision as instructed in the Bible:
Genesis 17:10-14
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant between me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
So does that mean that God also got it wrong for the Jews and Christians?
And to further put a nail in the coffin for you guys, Jesus was also circumcised. Not because I said so, but the Bible actually says so:
Luke 2:15-21
15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
17 And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.
18 And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19 But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.
20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Now what?
I know…………………….., it's hard for your guys to comprehend.
Mr.Ali Sina,
Really great. I was waiting for this comment.
Brotherhood,love and everything only in the believers circle.
If other human being sufferings not a matter for them.
Thanks…
According to Hindus prophet means great people, who did service of humanity. Prophet Einstein and Newton were Prophets of science only. Similarly Prophet Bhagat Singh was Prophet of nationalism. Ali Sina is prophet of Islam.
Ali Sina Sir, does not need to come in Sanatan Dharma/Vedic Religion /Eternal religion because Ali Sina is already in Sanatan Dharma. He is following Sanatan Dharma as Sanatan Dharma says
‘To accept truth through a continuous process of rejecting falsehood every moment to best of one’s abilities in the most sincere manner is Vedic religion’
This is beautifully described in Yajurveda 1.5:
“O Supreme Force governing the world! You function as per unchangeable laws which remain the same throughout without slightest of deviations. May I also seek inspiration from You to be unflinchingly principled in my life. Thus I resolve to seek truth constantly by eliminating the false from my life every moment to the best of my abilities, intentions and efforts. May I be successful in this noble decision of mine.”
2. Yajurved 19.77
- All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
Sorry I didn't know who this Edwards guy earlier.So I took the pains of typing out a lengthy response.
For your great Edwards, look at this video @0:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=2EBqlpJb1…
He is asked "on TV" why he doesn't accept $1 million challenge of JR.He avoids the question and rants about going to some University.
This joker Edwards claims he speaks to dead people, and James Randi is a fraud instead because he says this claim is bullshit???
Spare me.I don't know in what dimensions your brain works in,but if you think Edwards has to be taken seriously,or any other Tom,Dick and Harry who claims "supernatural powers" has to be we can't have a meaningful conversation.Unless you look like Megan Fox.
"do not ever associate a high school drop out like Randi with brilliant physicists like Bohr and Einstein"
You were giving your opinions.I mentioned Bohr to explain that opinions aren't enough.
Being a high-school drop out is irrelevant.Randi is not a physicist,he is a magician.He doesn't need conventional education for credibility.He is sufficiently skilled at what he does.
"Randi claims John Edwards does cold reading (without ever having tested edwards).. an assertion based on a priori grounds and not based on objevtive evidence"
That is also skepticism and critical thinking.I'll explain how.Being a skeptic doesn't mean you can't have a position on anything.If you are informed of a 'miracle claim' and it's pretty clear to you that it can be done through tricks,why should you allow the contention that it might also be miraculous?
Randi has a position on miracles.He says they are not supernatural and promises an award to anyone who demonstrates supernatural powers before him.
That is of course a 'claim',but that's based on a career which has serially exposed these so called miracle men and women.That's based on the fact that 'every' miracle man when tested by him has been found to be a fraud.Edwards is not the first to claim the things he does.Others have done it before him.
To be in a position that "there are natural laws and human activities are bound by those laws" is not an extreme position,it's a neutral position.
"I can tell your dad's name by touching you and then hearing things in my head" is an extreme claim.What he stated about Edwards is because as a magician he knows how tricks like that can be pulled off.It might even be the only way in magic.You and I are novices(I assume) on magic stuff,Randi isn't.If what Edwards does can be replicated in a 'non-miraculous' way,that debunks the miracle claim.Plain and simple.
It's no use asking compulsively dishonest people to be morally righteous.
Most apologist volunteers for Islam(those who aren't paid by motivated organizations) do possess intelligence to some level.They believe in a certain thing,and that belief is beyond reason.But since they are reasonable in other aspects,they try to justify this belief through reason or arguments,however faulty they may be.They find it difficult to maintain that they are believing the words of a person whose life and morality is very questionable,so they blow up his virtues to satisfy their minds.It's true of almost every religion – the belief comes first and then arguments to justify it.But it's most starkly visible in Islam because Muhammad's personality is so much different from most other religious personalities like Buddha or Christ.
And why would God create tissues that are not needed? Why did he create the foreskin if it was not needed?
What is truth? Truth is that Yashua Hamasiah comes from the Father, for your sin and for my sin. No one can come to the Father except through Jesus. So if sanatan dharma teaches truth, what is his truth? That you are not a sinner and can go to heaven?
Eat your logic.
Well since you don’t consider the Shiites as Muslim then I could not have been a Muslim. I was born to a Twelver Shiite parents. The Shiites think they are the true Muslims, but now that I know Islam better I agree with you. The true Islam is Sunni and the Shiites are heretics. In other words it is a lie within another lie.
Wrong and lies….Muslims in Iraq were living in harmony
with Christians, and although Saddam Hussien was
a tyrant, I was told he used to build churches for them.
Muslims and Christian were living in peace, until Iran
turned everybody against the other and ripped off the
east part of Iraq. I am not sure whether you are aware
of this fact, or it is beyond your understanding.
Hating Islam does not mean hating family and friends. It is these comments that give you away as a fraud. If you really were an ex-Muslim you would not be making such gross mistakes of confusing Islam and the poor misguided people who have fallen prey to it.
I don’t know any ex-Muslim who holds grudge against Muslims and I have seen few who leave Islam and don’t hate it, although some are still show signs of Stockholm Syndrome, but it is generally short lived. Muslims ex-Muslims really hate Islam.
These guys are not experts about Islam. They rehash the same thing everyone say.
Although Allah is a title and it does not refer to any specific God, for Muslims Allah is the name of God. Which is not true at all. The name of their god is Hubaal, while the name of the God of the Jews is Jehovah. To say these two deities are the same is absurd. Hubaal is actually mentioned in the Bible and acknowledges as the god of the Moabites. The Bible calls it Ha Baal. Ha is in Hebrew the definitive article. The name of the deity is Baal. Ibn Ishaq then explains how this deity was purchased and taken to Mecca and became the chief god of the Quraish. It is this god that Arabs came to know as Allah (the god).
Thank you for your invitation. I am not a Christian and I cannot believe in the infallibility of any book, whether it is the Quran, the Bible or the Vedas. Yes many philosophies in Hinduism are more rational yet I prefer to remain a freethinker rather than a believer of any faith. There are also many teachings of Jesus that I find beautiful. And yet I am not going to be a follower of any person.
Furthermore my goal is not to fight against or promote any religion. Faith is a personal matter and I respect people\’s choice to believe in what they please, as long as they don\’t use their faith to promote hate and violence.
Your biggest enemy in India is Islam. It is my humble request that you don\’t fight against Christianity but rather join force with them and together fight against our common enemy, which is Islam. We really need to get rid of this religious strife and understand that we have to jointly fight against Islam alone. That is our enemy. We will always have differences of opinions. We can coexist with each other despite such difference, Islam is the only creed that cannot coexist with others and therefore it must be eradicated.
From your post, it is clear that you are using the name of Sanatan Dharma to spread Arya Samaj, the society of Aryans. That is not the issue as Arya Samaj has justification to claim to be the Sanatan Dharma. But Swami Dayananda's book you mentioned has hatred for Puranas. For Lord Krishna I do not want to comment. Holy Bible is a collection of books and have different versions among various Christian sects. If you intend to put Holy Kuran in the category of wrong book then some Hindus may demand same for the book of Swami Dayanand called Satyarth Prakash.
@ali sina, i respect your effort to unveil the truth of Islam but i want to say that sanatan dharma is real dharma and you have come home of your ancestors. sanskrit is mother of all languages and veda is only eternal truth from GOD. your bible is corrupted so please kick off your bible and accept veda. only sanatan dharma is based on logic and truth. islam can never accept or tolerate logic and christianity has also same condition. we are working hard to spread sanatan sharma in India and we need intelligent persons who know about Islam more than muslims. Maharishi dayananda has shown us light. please read satyarthprakash samhullas 13 which is devoted for christianity.
@aminriadh, you aer doing good job but hate mongers wil never accept their flaws.
I read your comment, and I read it again, lest I missed something.
I don't believe in the word "prophet",
it is very obsolete…I believe in wise
leaders and philosophers (some of them).
The target of atheists is to enlighten
people and educate them, help them
to distinguish between facts and myths;
yet, there are things I disaprove with
some of the atheists, for example: they ignore all the unexplained phenomenae
that happen to some of us often, and they don't talk about them, because they have no answer for them. Example, I asked an atheists how can he explain scientifically my predicting dreams? of course he couldn't answer.
Science know very little, and religion
is full of mythologies.
thank you,
poor mohammad must be struggling, with hundreds of millions of souls screaming for justice because of his false prophecies
Yes, and now he is against circumcision. I told him
I heard that from fanatic Christians, they oppose
strongly circumcision.
Besides, he never said anything wrong about the
bible, although it is full of evil, but I pin pointed
what I don't like in the quran and in Islam.
This is an indication that he is a Christian-Iranian
not an ex-Muslim Iranian.
Another Lie…..although not proven yet.
Sina said: "No! anyone who is against me is not automatically a Muslim. But if someone insists that Allah is God he surely must be either a Muslim or belong to a religion that is an offshoot of Islam."
Here is a proof that American-Atheists know and
say that Muslims worship the same god of the
Christians, or Allah and God are the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFZvR-ssuk
Add this to the list of your lies. Sina, you are just
adding lies to your lies by trying to deny them.
" also unlike me – he is NOT a scholar"
In what subject you are a scholar? If he is not a scholar it is easy to debunk him on his challenges and win his offer of money and you can also close this site. So, why don't you bring a scholar to debate with him?
"So far – he has trouble stating what he has ever studied"
What he has ever studied is not important for us. What he is writing in this site is important. This site is viewed by educated people. If he is silly, he will be exposed in no minute.
"His book is silly – and pretty nonsensical. His articles here are the same way."
I have read his book. I have read his articles. I was all along believing that Quran contains only verses of virtue and that muham(mad) lived a simple and humble life with aisha.
But, while searching something else in the website, I stumbled upon this site and his articles only exposed the violence mandated by islam and muham(mad). What Ali sina has written is also proved by jihadists by executing violence, wailing "allahu akbar".
"And he is often "humiliated" "
Even Jesus was humiliated to the maximum. He was forced to carry his own cross in which he was nailed.
What is important here is that whether Ali sina exposed the violent nature of islam and muham(mad) or not. I think, he has done the job.
OH….knowTheEnemy…..are you still hanging
around? I thought you're dead long time ago.
GEEEEEEEEE this site is full of donkeys who repetedly
don't understand, with my apologies to donkeys because
they have sense, while some of them here don't have any.
Who said that the quran mentioned that the earth rotates
around its own axis?
@Abid,
very well said.. "Please, for God sake, use your logic, humanity"!!
why is it that people feel that they need to win an arguement based on words and totally ignore the fact that 1.5 billion of the worlds poorest people are muslim! our friends here totally ignore the killings, violence and bloodshed!
how empty is a win when People are being murdered in syria, iraq, male, danfur, pakistan, afghanistan, all the stans and around the world!.. HOW EMPTY IS THE WIN FOR ISLAM?
Dear aminriadh, rainbow, "." and others.. how sweet is the taste of the blood of the innocent that are murdered because of your book and bloody minded thinking.. hurray you win.. have another toast of the blood of the innocent!
Here is a small piece of evidence-
Quran 9:29
Pickthal : Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Yusuf Ali : Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger nor, acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.
Richard Dawkins is an Atheist. Watch
his interview with that a—-hole who
is called O'Reilly. He never claimed that
there is no creator, he just said: we are
working on it.
When I talk about Atheist, I mean the
intellectual, well-educated, experienced
ones…….and I do not mean the
ex-inmates.
I believe so, I doubt that he is an ex-Muslim, but certainly
he is an Iranian……..could be a Shii'e, could be
a Christian…….you never know…..
An ex-Muslim will never bear all this hate and grudge
toward Islam, because he still has friends and family
that are Muslims.
There is a hell and heaven in Buddhism also,
heaven, is when you reach Nirvana and
join Buddha..
hell is when you are reincarnated
It is funny that you should bring up the argument of vestigiality because it is an argument in support of evolution which precludes the need for a creator.
In any case foreskin is not a vertiginous tissue. Its function is to protect the glans which otherwise will become more callous and lose a lot of its sensitivity. Circumcision, both in boys and girls was devised to reduce their sexual pleasure. In addition it stimulates partner\’s genitalia, giving erotic pleasure. It also keeps the glans moist and prevents dyspareunia (painful intercourse). During the erection it supplies more skin to cover the shaft which prevents tightness.
Foreskin also stores pheromones and releases them on arousal and it helps distribute smega, (pre-ejaculatory fluid).
It prevents the glans becoming keratinised, and keeps it soft and moist and protects it against injury.
During infancy, protects the urethra against contamination, and provides lysosomes for bacteriostatic action around the glans.
And it can be used as grafts to burn eyelids and reconstructive surgery, should one need that at any time in his life.
BOO BOO BLAH BLAH ::: It is your choice . It is your free will. You want to remain in darkness. You are acquiascing in the crimes of MO / ALLAH and his followers .
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All of the above is untrue .
where is the proof ?
Proof is in ALI SINA 's BOOKs !!!
Sorry, I wrote "missing" twice….
but……Sina, are you sure you are
an ex-Muslims? I always had my
doubts. Maybe, this will be added
to the list of your lies.
The anti-Muslim brigade claims to be – rational and more intelligent.
But on what evidence? You repeatedly get people of this intelligence.
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I mean – is that it!
"BOO BOO : quote from your QQUURRAAN,HADIS and SIRA !!!!"
Well – if that is extent of your intelligence. Best leave it there.
I remember I heard this from a fanatic
Christian !!!!
Nature is not perfect, you just need
to see the pictures of birth defects,
or someone born with crooked teeth
or nose or missing a missing limb..etc..
doctors need to work hard,
and families have to spend fortunes
to correct the errors of your nature.
"I believe in evolution and I see no reason something that any organ would evolve in any species that would not be necessary. "
Doh! This doesn't make much sense.
Just because you believe in Evolution – it doesn't lead to this:
" I see no reason something that any organ would evolve in any species that would not be necessary"
Your personal opinion here is NOT of much worth.
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"But you believe in creation. IN that case explain are humans smarter than God?"
Obviously not.
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"Did God made a mistake in his design of humans which he later wanted us to correct?"
Nope.
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"If this is not stupid what is then? "
1. Penis is NOT unnecessary.
But something like appendix, Wisdom teeth are.
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2. Just because one is required to remove a small piece of skin – it doesn't lead to:
"God made a mistake in his design of humans "
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This is poor reasoning. Humans are hardly strongest of creations . . . other than intelligence – body function wise – there are plenty of animals that are better.
Disease – frailty and what not . . . . but removing foreskin somehow leads to imperfections? One can make many claims of poor design.
So why the foreskin . . .
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This isn't smart thinking . . . . but badly acquired thinking.
It is based on being anti-Religion . . . .
Because in human males – it is hardly THAT big of a loss or matter of consequence.
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If you are going to argue that this procedure is harmful to boys . . . physically/psychologically . . .
Then don't just make claims.
Rather bring data.
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The idea that that circumcision equals mistake of God . . . then this line of reasoning is pretty absurd.
As in that line of argument . . . there are bigger fish to fry.
Rainbow ::: Self serving and demanding — just like your master /MONSTER MO !!!! Are you not a blasphemer . a hypocrite ? By the way what is the punishment for blasphemy according to your sharia law ? beheading , remember ?
Ali: Not only you MUSSALMANS are conned by this monster MO , but was brain washed, reduced to ZOMBIES with seals on your hearts/minds and MO and ALLAH turned you into detrctive and killing machines. !!!
BOO BOO : quote from your QQUURRAAN,HADIS and SIRA !!!! Dont deceive your self and others. QQUURRAAN is a manual for hatred, violence, killing, discrimination, most evil deeds, most narrow and darkest ideas of exclusion, hatred, violence, intolerance, fear, terror and sex and slavery. which one is not true ? ANYWAT tell us what is it that you like in MO the monster ? Why do you want to follow and worship him ? Mo was a liar, a deceiver, a rapist, a killer, a pedo, a robber ,. sex maniac, slave promoter – which one of these you adore !!!! Do you want to live as agood human being ? What are the qualities and traits, needed to claim as a good human being ? do you want to be good ? Then MO did not have and live with one ….. just one good quality in his life !!! why do you want to follow that monster.? convincing evidence ,proof …. based on truth and facts please . not your brain washed scumbag ideas.
I believe in evolution and I see no reason something that any organ would evolve in any species that would not be necessary.
But you believe in creation. IN that case explain are humans smarter than God? Did God made a mistake in his design of humans which he later wanted us to correct? In the old days publishers used to insert a lose page in their books requesting the readers to correct some typos that they had missed, Is this what happened with the human creation? Did he make a mistake in human design that he later ordered Moses and Muhammad to correct? If this is not stupid what is then?
Ha ha ha ha . . . . you are ONE person – simply changing names.
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What have you got:
"Then read BHAGAVADGITA "
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Doh!
Ali SINA and also the ISLAMISTS/MOHAMMADENS .MUSSALMANS on the forum. You see you cant understand * because you have the negative mind set * the complex philisophy of sanatana dharma – which is not only diametrically opposite of ISLAM ( AND ABRAHAMIC evil, cruel ideologies) , but is infinitely and immensely great,noble, enlightening , ennobling, elevating to the very soul on this earth. SANATANA DHARMA will bring truth,peace, love,light to the entire universe .It is all magnetic. That is why whosoever come in contact with SANATANA DHARMA will be attracted and embrace it. Guaranteed. Requirement is that you must resolve to be a good human being !!! Then read BHAGAVADGITA !!!!
You get such ramblings . . . . aplenty here. All one need to do is say . . . . Boo!
" Dont be smart aleck."
Sorry son – but I am smart. Quantifiable Fact. A compared to other humans – I don't compare badly.
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"According to QQUURRAAN , you are making ALLAH a fool and stupid and ignoramous and a cruel guy. Because ALLAH dont know what he was doing !!!!! about his creation."
No I am not . . . else where and how according to Quran?
Your argument is redundant. Just because you snip a bit of a penis- how does that mean god did not know what he was doing?
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"And in HADIS MO said that You will be presented to ALLAH as a naked and with your foreskin restored !!!! See how ridiculous your ISLAM/MO/ your ALLAH is !!! "
Is that you Julia?
"A silly thing practiced by anyone, is a silly thing. Circumcision is a stupid practice."
Just by calling something stupid – doesn't make it so. Your reasoning is poor.
Oh – I am going to call it stupid. What? And that is it.
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"Nature knows bet and we must not mutilate ourselves in the name of religion. "
You can do what you like.
But the "nature knows best" is a terrible answer.
Appendix comes to mind. There are other organs that are considered as fairly useless and you can live without them.
Tonsils, wisdom teeth. . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality
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AMIN RI ::: Dont be smart aleck. According to QQUURRAAN , you are making ALLAH a fool and stupid and ignoramous and a cruel guy. Because ALLAH dont know what he was doing !!!!! about his creation. !!!! And in HADIS MO said that You will be presented to ALLAH as a naked and with your foreskin restored !!!! See how ridiculous your ISLAM/MO/ your ALLAH is !!!
The work of eradication of ISLAM has just begun. DR. ALI SINA will prevail, as a purveyer of truth and saving the people from the death cult called ISLAM and it's savage/demonic followers called Mussalmans. This is the age of internet and there is the extreme thrust from the moslem countries , of it's women and younger folks to learn truth and know facts – which they want to know by themselves . Mullas and imamas are scared to death that young girls and boys are knowing and exposed to truth . The truth is that ISLAM is the greatest hoax and a brutal , cruel, evil, hateful idea and that Mo was a monster. when they read SIRA, QQUURRAAN, HADIS and see the ISLAMIC culture ( fear, terror , killing , hateful) they will desert ISLAM and want to live as good human beings . Your attempts to distract from this work by your lies and deception will not work. Sorry . Big and sad news are awaiting you when you wake up every day !!!!!!
Seems you replied too late lol. I thought you were struggling so asked your mentor for help and your mentor didn't even show up too …For animals I always win and for intelligent I am always man in process.
No issues if you cant live without problems of hate mongering..
Abid you are a looser coz you left Islam and still living with tag "ex-Muslim"( whatever is crap this ). You failed to have your new identity. Any of your new Identity is struggling and Muslim is still dominating you under tag ex Muslim.
You want to jump? really jump ? Out of window ? from Microsoft windows? lol
Go get real life !!!!
Allah Hafiz
A silly thing practiced by anyone, is a silly thing. Circumcision is a stupid practice. Nature knows bet and we must not mutilate ourselves in the name of religion.
"This is actually true. Muhammad was a mentally sick man. As such he had very little understanding of his insanity. So I definately have a better understanding of him and what he said and did then he. "
Which simply your claims . . . and nothing more. For example:
Expertise of your book is based on a sufferer of the alleged disease.
You have no actual knowledge of either psychology or psychiatry.
No expert has ever endorsed your views.
They are baseless, illogical and fallacious – and I have shown them to be.
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"This is their language and how they express themselves. They say this because they agree with me."
They? Which they . . . only one person to the count.
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"Hindus don\'t denigrate themselves to such an extent, not even for their gods."
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"They think for themselves and pick and choose things that make sense to them. If something in their religion does not make sense to them they are free to discard it. I\'d say they are more advanced in their mental evolution than Muslims. "
Ha ha . . . see the last bit.
That is why you are a bona fide hatemonger.
You could NOT keep it up.
One can read the above as Hindus don't really believe their religion to be true . . . it is nonsense – to be played about with as much as they want.
Wherein – Muslims are right! To point this out . . . and also point to the fact . . . Islam is the truth.
And that is it.
\”You even understand the Quran and Hadith better than Mohammed,\”
This is actually true. Muhammad was a mentally sick man. As such he had very little understanding of his insanity. So I definately have a better understanding of him and what he said and did then he.
No, don\’t worry. Hindus don\’t think I am a prophet. I said this before. This is their language and how they express themselves. They say this because they agree with me. If I say anything that they don\’t agree they will immediately oppose me. They are not my follower. They support my fight against Islam.
You are a follower of Muhammad. You\’ll do anything that he said. You don\’t have an opinion contrary to his. You don\’t think for your own and if any thought of your goes against what Muhammad said you dismiss that thought immediately. Hindus don\’t denigrate themselves to such an extent, not even for their gods. They think for themselves and pick and choose things that make sense to them. If something in their religion does not make sense to them they are free to discard it. I\’d say they are more advanced in their mental evolution than Muslims.
Do you know if you keep refreshing your page . . . . CTRL + F5 repeatedly . . . . see what happens!
[If you are on PC!]
Blah Blah Blah . . . . hence you choose to sticking with generalities.
Else:
"The non-believers are to be treated harshly, slayed, or taxed and humiliated."
Evidence?
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One can simply dismiss all of the above as untrue.
All of the above is untrue.
Why don't you take you own advice and act on it. . . .
See – people like you stick to these generalities. . . . Because when it actually comes down to it – it would become pretty apparent – you don't really know what you are talking about.
As it has happened time after time on these comments sections.
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Hence:
" Please, for God sake, use your logic, "
Act this out.
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One wonders why Sina and his brethren fail so miserably!
Take the example of J Stilwater . . . .
Who made claims first and factual errors . . . and he came out with similar BS.
But look what happened to him . . . . poor soul has gone NOW to do his research.
If he can salvage the situation – he might return.
Else he won't.
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In the meantime – he made massive claims that he is GOING to make these brilliant arguments! Without coming up with one.
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"to doubt some imposter, looter, rapist, pedophile prophet who used the name of God to fulfill his own desire and went after only LUST, LUST and LUST. "
If you ever got into a discussion . . . one predicts that is going to be your likely fate.
The brotherhood in Islam is only among fellow Muslims. The non-believers are to be treated harshly, slayed, or taxed and humiliated. The word fascism drives from fascio which means bundle of sticks. The idea is that one stick can be broken but if lots of of them are bundled together they become strong and no one can break them. But this does not mean fascists believed in the Golden Rule. They believed in unity among each other so they become strong against the outsiders. This is the idea behind Islam. Only Muslims are brothers. The kafirs are to be abused and mistreated as they will go to hell anyway. In the sixth edition of my book I have shown how fascism was inspired by Islam.
"If you want to refute something you may want to at least learn about it to know what you are refuting."
Bingo!
Try taking up your own advice.
Hence your story doesn't make sense. . . . sometimes you claim – you were studying Quran
Then you lack the ability understand Arabic?
Which is kind of puzzling.
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What is even worse . . . your ability of Farsi and knowledge of Western scholarship of Islam.
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If you look at Sina's work – all of it is pretty much old arguments found on Net – and that is it.
"The entire Quran is filled with verses that defy such a rule."
As I repeatedly point out – Sina sticks with such generalities . . . . as NOT to get lose an argument.
Here is a golden moment to present such verses.
But he doesn't – as he will out-argued.
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"Islam is the only creed that does not prescribe unconditional compassion for all mankind and restricts kindness to only fellow believers."
Wrong – again no evidence of claims.
"It actually prescribes harshness and even murder of non-believers."
Yet only of those that are not peaceful.
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"So it is fair to say that Islam is a religion that reduces one’s humanity and brings out the animal nature of its followers."
In the premises are wrong – conclusion will be too.
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" You think his ways were way superior to mine. Can you tell us in what other ways he was superior? "
"whereas I have a PayPal button on my blog for donations."
This is limitation of your powers . . . as repeatedly pointed out – your words betray you.
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"Can you tell us in what other ways he was superior?"
Courage . . . I mean what is your actual name?
Mr. Empty set is one of the people who run away at the slightest of the opportunities they get and declare themself the winners. Why don't these pepole use their brain. Don't they have one?
Empty set, you ran away from the thread(at the last of the comments), http://alisina.org/blog/2012/10/10/reverting-back…
at half of the discuusion and declare yourself a winner. Even if you win, then also it does not mean that you are on the right path, and looser is on the worng. I have dedeated hundreds of muslims, does that mean, they are hundred times wrong near me. Please, for God sake, use your logic, humanity, not your impaired morality to understand Islam. Don't be coward, God will not punish if you use his greatest gift 'Intellect' to doubt some imposter, looter, rapist, pedophile prophet who used the name of God to fulfill his own desire and went after only LUST, LUST and LUST.
"Can you, ali, help me understand why making female prisoners of war is humane?"
You cannot even form a question – one can predict what you want to say. . . but the above is badly put.
It is NOT inhumane to:
"making female prisoners of war "
As you are simply making them prisoners. And that until now isn't considered as inhumane per se. Not even by extreme supporters of "human rights"
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" Can you tell me why beheading 900 people is humane? "
Lesser of the two evils.
"So the more I show you the true Islam the more you love it. On the other hand there are people who don\'t like schit. "
Yes like . . . . Obama's birth certificate problems.
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"You love murder, rape, looting, misogyny, discrimination, violence, hatred of fellow humans."
So do you . . . . for that is what people like Geller and Spencer stand for.
Hence when all these are attached to them . . . . you do not condemn this alleged behaviour.
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"I use you to advance my goal and to show to the world what Islam does to human brain."
No you don't . . . hence why some vile hate from you?
Why this sudden change of stance?
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" No one was persecuting Muslims in Mecca. I debunked that myth in my book. "
No you didn't – you simply claim it.
And even that was NOT your own work. You found it float around the net.
Hence – you cannot answer about the arguments against you position . . .
Other than to repeat this "schit" – your word.
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"You came here claiming to be an atheist but acted and reasoned very much like any other Muslim."
You claim to be an atheist . . . yet look at the lavish praises on Christianity.
The exact things you find fault with Islam – tend to disappear when it comes Judaism or even more so Christianity.
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Hence it is probably – YOU projecting on him.
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"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck."
Or a pretty good actor!
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I mean if you sound like a Christian – profile name of Johnathon Harrell. Praise Christianity . . . then you must be one!
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"So who is a liar and a hypocrite? You project your tributes on others. "
You!? As I have made my case.
So why haven't you been shown this "enlightenment"
Why have YOU been forsaken?
" The ones who really know what I am saying simply agree with me. They can see Islam has destroyed their country and they agree to stop this menace should be through non violent means. "
Prime example being Denialisnoproof – who spouts violence.
Lest we forget – Sina has claimed all Muslims are guilty – and so he does NOT condemn specific examples of violence against Muslims.
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"Hindus neither adore me nor worship me."
True – no one does that!
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"They can see Islam has destroyed their country and they agree to stop this menace should be through non violent means."
No dearest . . . . a few hate mongers agree with you. That is all.
"Why don't you bring some scholar from your religion of peace to debate with him? "
He has trouble with me . . . . also unlike me – he is NOT a scholar – (in the sense of having authority over a subject).
Ask him! So far – he has trouble stating what he has ever studied.
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"Ali Sina's analysis of islam and muham(mad) is a great contribution to understand islam in its true perspective"
No it isn't.
His book is silly – and pretty nonsensical.
Have you bought a copy?
His articles here are the same way.
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His limited thinking is highlighted in these comments. And he is often "humiliated".
"foreskin helps in getting rid of your sexual frustration. "
How do you know?
"How about you going to the bookies and placing a bet "
What with?
He is struggling to keep this site afloat . . .
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"If you put your house and car on, you'll be left homeless and, foot patrolling and naked. "
I have trouble thinking he has house . . . . car is going too far for me!
"The majority of Muslims are not brain dead. "
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Compare the above:
"But again you are a Muslim and as such your brain power is limited."
"Be offended as is you like but this is a fact that Muslims are the most stupid people in the world."
These are just two!
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I take full credit for the change of stance. Other fellow Muslims can stake their own claim.
Doh!
To equate that intelligence has anything to do with whether one is Muslim or not is/was a ridiculous thing to say.
Its motivation – HATE.
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"Once they learn the truth, they will at first deny it, because that is how faith works, but if that truth is hammered on them they will eventually start doubting and once that process starts it will have a domino effect and it will be only a matter of time, often very soon, for them to lose their faith. The trick is to make them doubt once. That would be like a crack in their damn of denials. "
No dearest . . . . you have no "truth". Only your version of it.
And there are literally millions of versions of that!
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"The majority of Muslims also don\'t read anything against Islam."
Yes – but many do . . . like me. And we successfully counter it.
Even garbage like you. Even you know – you ain't no Academic or Scholar. As often pointed out – how painfully limited your articles/comments actually are.
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" A well written and will done movie has that power. "
Right – of SPECTACULAR failure of that book.
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"This movie I am working on has a revolutionary effect. It will be more powerful than 100 nuclear bombs. The good thing about it that is does not kill life or buildings.It only targets ignorance. "
Narcissism!
Keep at it. . . . look at the BS you claim about the book.
And look at the spectacular failure of that . . . .
Now it is a movie!
Another post – which is promising evidences and major arguments – why?
This is bizarre – few buttons pressed and he is out of control!
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"There's no greater desire in my heart right now than to give you the thing you most deeply crave… which is proofs for my claims… it is the one, singular drive in my existence right now… so please… don't deprive me of this exquisite opportunity for me to serve you in this way… allow me the time to indulge you fully… think of it as my gift to you for being… well… how do I say this… for being… YOU! "
His desire is to give evidences . . . but he cannot!
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Demsci in another way.
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See how hatemongers fall.
Once again . . . Stilwater has read a list of fallacy – and he doesn't really understand them either.
Once again – it is a false accusation.
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"you are absolutely correct. If I cannot, with clear evidence, show where you have committed a fallacy, it is nothing more than a false claim. Bravo!!! "
I am glad you agree.
The thing is is – you DID Not bring clear evidence.
Hence – it is false accusation.
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"You are continually ridiculing my answers and not the logic of my arguments… you can't just state: "your answer are ridiculous" or "your answers are full of false reasoning" or "that's just stupid" or "That just makes me laugh""
I do more than this. To state this is a lie.
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". if you like, when I'm done with the current task of proving muhammad was an adulterer… I'll gladly take on the task of showing you, with clear quotes of yours, where you are engaging, on a constant basis, in these fallacies… "
This is the level of his intelligence . . . in the above he agrees that if he cannot give me evidence then his accusation is false.
Then he DOES accuse me without evidence. Which means his accusation is false.
Look – at the above – he will do this "evidencing" later. . . .
Just like proving this:
"current task of proving muhammad was an adulterer"
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" I'll gladly take on the task of showing you, with clear quotes of yours"
Which is unlike me!
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Another ridiculous response from Stilwater.
Oh – and the reasoning given!
Unlike him!
This guy is mocking only ! For me he is a low life.You didn't read my earlier comment I mentioned why people are atheists.
Attributes of God he is objecting lol. But you know message is for humans.Message has to be understood by human with reference to human nature and psychology etc.
These low life thinks university is bigger than universe to understand it. But the fact that If you are educated in universe you are university yourself.
he said it is not glamorous to be indian god, because we worship everything . that doesn't mean that we are comparing him to monkeys and rats.
you are too shallow to understand indian philosophy
because to get cleaned. hair grows . not your foreskin.
foreskin helps in getting rid of your sexual frustration.
without foreskin you are sexually frustrated.
even mohammad was a victim of this phenomenon.
Atheist don't deny god? You mean agnostic !
heheheh jealous much?
I have seen that device it really works.
I didn't insult . Blogger himself said about your monkey , snake , rat god !
So we shouldn't here anymore begging requests for your server for the next 12 months from you then, hey Ali Sina?
You've got the money in one day!
You said it, not me.
Egghead is deleting my comments lol
@Sakat. Yes, that language is know as BS.
What makes us laugh even harder is that if you had developed such a device, you'd automatically become a multi millionaire with the invention as every nation on earth would ask for it in order to prevent anymore attacks. Especially India and America and you'd also be advising Homeland Security across the globe. Even the Middle Eastern countries would be poaching you and giving you petro dollars.
You'd single handed finance Ali Sina's movie project.
In reality, you just finished watching Iron Man the movie and you think you are Tony Stark, or maybe just a Tamil Bollywood flick.
More like Totta Staapuu.
Good pitch for the movie again Ali Sina.
More powerful than 100 nuclear bombs you say! The Hindus will lap it up, like fish to water.
How about you going to the bookies and placing a bet that Islam will fall in your lifetime and your movie will be more powerful than 100 bombs (a bit like your book). Put only a smaller wager on and see what happens.
Don't you think it is a risk worth taking?
If you put your house and car on, you'll be left homeless and, foot patrolling and naked.
@Ali Sina.
If there is no Golden Rule in Islam then exactly what does this mean?
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “None of you has faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”
Sahih Bukhari, Book 2, Number 15
Or do you think this Hadith is fabricated and incorrect?
No need for the long article referral that you posted, just a simple yes or know. Is this Hadith authentic?
Also, what is your view on apostasy in Judaism in light of the following verse:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again".
huh?
This person says:
" you keep commenting on errors… can you in a 1, 2, 3, type format, illustrate what I said and tell us all why you consider them errors?"
Then when I do so . . .
He says:
"So now you're collecting my arguments from several posts and saying that this is my argument? I'm talking about the argument that sparked THIS PARTICULAR exchange… I mistakenly assumed that you would know that! Sheeesh… "
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"Our initial exchange… regarding muhammad's relationship with his adopted son's wife… that's the subject under discussion… man…. you really ARE sleepy… "
Why would anyone bother recounting your errors – that are just above?
Which would be pretty stupid.
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"So now you're collecting my arguments from several posts and saying that this is my argument? I'm talking about the argument that sparked THIS PARTICULAR exchange… I mistakenly assumed that you would know that! Sheeesh… "
How could anyone enumerate one error!
It is ONE error!
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This is poor – really really poor.
he called creation as maya (illusion) , and brahma existed outside illusion. but the problem with islam is you enter another realm of illusion of hell and heaven.
but buddhism calls for nirvana that is being one with the ultimate reality. that is the path of enlightenment . you can become one with it while you are alive.
the concept of hell and heaven itself is a big drawback of islam.
"and it would have been the BIBLE that would have given him his knowledge of them"
Stillwater – are you able to reason?
No it wouldn't have been. As Muslims claim his knowledge came from God.
So it is pretty idiotic to make this assumption – especially after it is pointed out ot you – Muslims do NOT believe in the Bible.
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"in fact… his wife's uncle was a christian and he would have been fully aware of the bible and the characters of the bible"
Just because someones Wife's Uncle was a Christian does not equal that this person would be converse in the same thing.
Say my wife's uncle is knowledgeable in Geology – it doesn't mean I am too.
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"he said the reason he had come was because the people had corrupted the message of their father ABRAHAM"
Doh!
"by then it is too late"
typical islamic threat of hellfire.
do you think god is going to burn you for not worshipping him?
Right . . . . see rather than any worthwhile answers – you get this!
Although he is unable to answer for his errors – what does he do? Repeat them!
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"here's the distinction… a sucker is a person who is gullible… a fool is a person who, after being shown proof that they are being suckered, continues to believe in the person doing the suckering"
Which describes you pretty well.
After being shown the door . . . you had a break down!
Mother of all break downs . . . . ha ha ha
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Pretty funny really!
Then you started saying you were going to come out with these mega killer arguments – which to date have not materialised.
Other than an instruction to read the Bible!
That it!
you think you can insult hindus by using the term monkey god?
god comes in all forms and shape. god can come without shape either. the formless god concept was given to world first by hinduism.
god is the one who leads us to enlightenment , and there is nothing wrong in worshipping potatoes.
but worshipping a pimp of perpetual virgins . not my thing.
you think you can insult hindus by using the term monkey god?
god comes in all forms and shape. god can come without shape either. the formless god concept was given to world first by hinduism.
god is the one who leads us to enlightenment , and there is nothing wrong in worshipping potatoes.
but worshipping a pimp of perpetual virgins . not my thing.
No – because of your rudeness. . . you were being sanctimonious and preaching about "patience"
Then fell on your own sword.
Look at the petty assumptions. Yet you were wrong.
A bit of humility . . .perhaps? Nope.
Here is the thing – people read list of fallacies then they accuse you of it – trying to sound impressive and intellectual.
But it all comes undone – when looked at.
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"A better way to say it would be: "you'd better back off, or else!" in the hopes that it will in some way make the arguer back off… muslims use this all the time in varying degrees… the most brutal of which is their treatment of "infidels" in areas where they are in the majority, and where handguns are not legal to be carried by the population like they are here where I live… "
Yet he made this nonsense up – to try and pin a fallacy.
Wow!
Here is where it falls down:
" I'm being kind to you. Take heed!" "
Does not equal this:
"A better way to say it would be: "you'd better back off, or else!""
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Then this is covered with stuff like:
"allow me to point out another fallacy that is common to muslims that engage in debate"
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"Fallacies are fallacies… period… they are not truth… nor do they advance truth… The only life worth living, is the life of truth… a life without truth is an existence without life… or basically, death. "
General unrelated BS.
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"No need to be kind to me, aminriahd… if you have greater and more solid reasoning, bring it. "
The thing is . . . .
How could a person have more solid reasoning to this:
"go ahead and go to bed… you will need all the strength you can muster for this next round… "
= = =
Hence this person has just read a list of fallacies.
And accused me of it.
A lying and false accusation – and nothing more.
Like Sina and countless others.
He doesn't the ABC of what logic is.
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The thing is when Sina is challenged over logic . . .
He knew when to leave well alone.
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Above is NOT even an argument – so how could it it be a fallacy!?
I mean what kind of argument is this:
" @aminriadh… go ahead and go to bed… you will need all the strength you can muster for this next round… "
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Anyone wanting know more about the alleged fallacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculu…
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And I did try being kind to this person.
He threw it back at me!
@denialisnoproof.
Some Buddhist say that Buddha said there was no such thing as God. Well, he also said there is no such thing as self also. Does that mean you don't exist just as God doesn't exist? Who or what is reading this if you don't exist?
Furthermore, This best selling English book compiled from ancient records by Paul Carus, 1894, states in his book and the book combines narrative of the life of Buddha coupled with his saying as recorded in the Tipitaka (Buddhist Sacred Scripture).
If Buddha claimed there is no such thing as God, why is he discussing God with Brahmans?
The Two Brahmans
Here he is quoted as saying:
"Thus," replied the Buddha,
"the Tathagata knows the straight path
that leads to a union with Brahma.
He knows it as one who has entered the world of Brahma and has been born in it.
There can be no doubt in the Tathagata."
In the ancient Vedic religion, God was described as having three attributes. Creator, preserver and destroyer. Over time these three attributes were personalized and became known as the Gods of Brahma (creator) Vishnu (preserver) and Shiva (destroyer).
By Buddha claiming to know the path to Brahma he was also claiming to know the path to Brahman. Another way to understand the teachings of Buddha is that he taught that there are two realms. One is the Uncreated Realm and the other is the Created Realm.
Anyway, even if he didn't believe in God, he wouldn't be alone as all Atheists, even if Buddha was one, don't believe in God until death comes to them. And by then, it's way too late.
hey amin give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around the sun.
There are three categories of beings.
1.The absolute Being,the Lord of the Universe.
2. The sages who have power over birth and death and who are semi-immortal beings. They are born and die at their will .
3. The ordinary people who do not have mastery over birth and death .For them, death is a constant fear that lurks in their minds and hearts. Such ignorant people suffer.
A sage and a yogi are not bothered by the minor events of death and birth.They are free from all fears is the first massage of the Himalayan sages . That fearlessness is one of the steps towards enlightenment.The highly accomplished yogis and sages are ageless and can live as long as they wish. The individual soul can voluntarily cast off the body and can even enter into another body .It is said that the great yogi and sage Shankaracharya ,who had unified Hinduism under the supervision of four mutas(monasteries) was gifted with such a power. One of the scriptures describes this process as parakaya pravesha (entering another body).It is not unusual or impossible for an accomplished yogi to change his body provided he finds a suitable replacement . As per yogic traditions ,in three ways one can expand his life span.
1.Through highly accomplished yoga powers and a disciplined life,one can live for a long time .
2.By changing the body one can continue to live consciously with all the experiences carried from the previous body.
3.Enlightenment is freedom itself and there is no need of clinging to the garment which is called body.
The sages explored and expounded the deeper truths of life..These truths are the truths of all time and all humanity ,and hence the universality of their appeal. Deep down in the hearts of all realized men ,no matter what their race and what their color ,is the desire to understand and to hold to the truth, to attain to the higher destiny of the human race.Man has been searching for immortality since the dawn of civilization. If one has done something in the past,the same thing can be done by someone today ,and if someone can do that today,the same can be done by all.Life expresses itself through the medium of the body ,Desires seek form for self-manifestation.Desire is the inner soul and form is the external . Without content, there can be no-form –it will be dead matter.Being devoid of rhythmic vibration,neither form nor desire is content and will be eternally homeless. Therefore desires seek embodiment while forms seek desires.many are those who perceive the mere body .Being unable to apprehend the life within, they consider the lines of the picture to be final (good example Mohammed). They cannot pierce through them. Their realization must ever remain untrue, their knowledge incomplete.To learn more about man’s inner life rhythms, one should learn to go beyond desire and to cultivate the inward sensitivity and one-pointedness of that mind which can seek help from the finer forces of rhythmic vibrations.Life is a rhythm and one who knows this can live as long as he wishes.I hope this is not your kind of English ,perhaps difficult to crack ,but than “Hard facts are hardly told”.
even buddha didn't believe in god , yet he is a great guru.
to be guru one need not believe .
he has to show us path of enlightenment .
that is why we say guru devobhava .
You see Ali Sina.
Not only are you the god of the Hindus, you are also their prophet. Just look at Sanata Dharma's post.
You even understand the Quran and Hadith better than Mohammed, therefore this Hindu Sanatan puts you on the highest possible pedestal.
He even goes as far as saying Allah has sanctioned you, despite you not even believing in Allah! Now there's a retarded praise from someone for you.
The only thing left for you to do now is produce your Quran, so that Sanatan can then sign over all his assets onto your name in the name of Sinaism.
Then why do you cut your hair and shave Ali Sina?
Why do you trim your nails?
Why even wash?
have full faith in Islamic Prophet Ali Sina. He is greatest prophet of Islam ever born. He has much greater understanding on Quran and Hadiths even than Mohammed. Mohammad had short term memory. That is why there are many contradiction in Quran. Mohammed was not aware what he told earlier and what he told latter. But Prophet Ali Sina is perfect person who knows every verse of Quran and rejects the contradictory things. Even Allah has sanctioned Ali Sina all allegations on Mohammed, Quran, & Islam. Do you not know when prophet Ali Sina was invited to Mubahila by Mr. Bhatt that wrong one would die within 90 days, Mr. Bhatti & his Muslim supporters invoked Allah curse on Sina. But after 90 days Ali Sina proved to be true because Allah did not do any harm of him. Through Mubahiia Prophet Ali Sina proved his sanctity. ( Mubahila, a Islamic way to find out the truth by cursing each-other, This way is sanctioned by prophet Mohammed in Quran)
I don't think you understand what atheism
mean. Atheism is not a religion. Atheists
even do not deny the existence of "God",
but demand an evidence that "he" exists.
They certainly deny the God of those three
religions, a god that resembles man. Atheism
is like science, it is a search for the truth.
Atheists don't claim that they know everything
as the religious do, and they reject false
claims that are based on assumptions.
I recommend this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFZvR-ssuk
also watch the videos of Richard Dawkins
if you want to know what actually
atheism mean.
You often "conclude" that the motivation of counterjihadists is hatemongering, that that is their only or primary motivation.
You do that sometimes when you see that an alleged other motivation, like finding the highest truth, using good evidence and logic, is not used, and so it could be that preconceived hate-motivated conclusions are the real goal of a counterjihadist. But also that the counterjihadist in question was somehow unable to use good evidence and logic.
And while your conclusion may be ONE true accurate explanation of their posts and why they write it, it still is not the only possible explanation. And plausible other motivations indeed are given by many counterjihadists.
But it is OK if you voice your suspicions, and I too have only voiced my suspicions about your motives.
"3.
"an inaccurate or false statement." OK, nr 3 is noticed.
But you explicitly and implicitly very often DECLARE a statement of an opponent false and inaccurate, when it also still may be true and accurate.
Because you insist that statements must be false and inaccurate when they are not supported by (enough, well enough) evidence and reason. But in that case they can still be true and accurate. And it is YOU who fails to PROVE their falsehood and inaccuracy.
And many of your conclusions/ accusations of lying and dishonesty stand on faulty conclusions of falsehood and inaccuracy. So, HENCE; many of your conclusions/ accusations regarding lying and dishonesty, stand on quicksand, are to be considered suspect.
Or might sometimes be even lies and displayed dishonesty by you. Else many of these conclusions/ accusations are just poor logic, probably fed by the desire to belittle and vilify both comments and commenters that contradict Islam, or pro-Islam-opinions & claims.
Deoband Sahrif's Darul Ulum issues Fatwa against Dr Zakir Naik http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi…
Deoband Sahrif's Darul Ulum issues Fatwa against Dr Zakir Naik http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi…
Egghead why are you wasting extra calories in probability and possibility? Its simple Rainbow rejected all prophets in s/his comments. Called prophet looter ! This is a certificate s/he is not Muslim.
Soliciting, asking people for donations.
You sensed that there are many haters out there who
fell in love with your "freedom of faith", so you
immediately knew that you have something you can sell.
Hindus are unpredictable in beliefs. They usually worship attributes of human and surrounding nature.But ignore Almighty who controls these forces. Its not surprising for them to worship even Neyetiri from Avatar movie who never exist.Its great they found you exciting lol
Few things are amazing in your comment. I am not dissecting them but you really approve these parameters and you will not change them in any situation as well? I suspect a Joker !
"peculiar way of praising someone…..you should not take that literally"
" there are millions of gods in India. Monkeys, rats and snakes…it is not a that glamorous to be an Indian god "
So you now need Qur'an to justify crimes of Israelites ??? lol
Qur'an 3:26 : "Say: "O Allah! Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power."
Egghead where is full protection for crimes? Qur'an explained before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has been fulfilled. Qur'an doesn't supports surgically removing Muslims, and anyone else who is not Jewish from a Jewish Promised Land that would be for them alone.Read in bold you will know crimes are not approved as in occupying Palestine !!!
Qur'an 10:93 "We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms.Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment. "
Qur'an 17:104"And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdbS-FgyO4
Allah belongs to desert (even in words allah is not universal). Are you impatient?
You said "Hypocrite,liar,coward and fraud" about James Randi.
Which one of the above four is established by your comment above and how?
"if Ali Sina were insignificant… you muslims wouldn't be here on a daily basis in a vain attempt to sling mud on his good name"
Exactly.The presence,and if I may say ever-presence,of critics on this site proves Sina is doing something right.
"Yes, we do evolve,but not the way Darwin stated"
A claim,followed by a brief list of Scientists(including physicists,rocket scientists and chairmen of space commissions!!!) who disagree with Evolution
Do you realize that Evolution is a sub-field of Biology,not Physics or Cosmology?
Science doesn't work on opinions.At least explain how any in the above list disproved Evolution or provide me a link of his/her paper which disproves Evolution.
I repeat in case you missed out.Evolutionary study didn't end with Darwin.It's a vibrant research area with scores of sub-fields with real life applications.
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"Evolution was not Darwin's original idea"
Even if that's true,it's irrelevant to the truth of Evolution.
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"Darwin is still thought by some to have renounced his theory upon his deathbed"
Again,Science is not made by folklore,life history of Scientists,their food-habits or death-wishes
Evolution didn't end with Darwin.So even if that's true,it has got nothing to do with the veracity of Evolutionary Theory.
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"Evolution is proven to be untrue by evolutionists constant updating of it"
Lack of understanding of basic Scientific method.Einstein updated Newton and Quantum Theorists updated Einstein.That's how Science works,it inches closer and closer to the truth.
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"It tries to prove its age according to the haphazard theory with the age of the rock, which is circular reasoning, and never truly verifies anything"
I don't see how it's circular reasoning.I'm pretty sure that you don't hold a degree in Paleontology.Merely your opinion doesn't count.If you have something concrete to prove dating techniques as unscientific,please produce your paper.At least you'll be contributing something to the body of knowledge available to your species.
And to help you update yourself,Science has developed many more sophisticated techniques of dating than C-14.C-14 dating is pretty outdated.It's like pointing out that horse-carriages can't move @40kmph when supersonic aircrafts are present.
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"Darwinism has been used to justify class struggle, racial purity, genocide, and the mass slaughter of innocents.Make no mistake, if today’s evolutionists get their perfect world, evil will occupy the throne."
LOL Most apologists argue that Islam has been used to justify suicide bombing of children and women in churches, kill Bahais, Ahmadis, Sunnis and Shias.By that logic,Islam should be eradicated to save the world,right?
Just ask (dot) for a help..he is an expert in decoding
When I hear or read something wrong said by
an Atheist or a Muslim or any one else, I stand
against it. Terse and to the point.
Never cared about what people think of me.
That's not what I meant, smart ass…..
Allah is an Arabic word for God, and the
Arab-Christians use the word Allah in their
worship.
Do not ask me another question, because
I have no time for you.
@ Ali the Muslim
If humans now examine themselves well, they will realize
that they have been evolved.
The canine teeth, mean that humans were some sorts
of animals, and the nearest are the apes or chimpanzes.
Ever touched the protruded bone in the lowest part of
your spine? This was a tail, long long time ago.
How ? Then, in this case the Jews are blasphemers.
You shouldn't say anything wrong about the people
you love..
Regardless, if God exist, he did lots and lots of
mistakes, and the humans should correct and
clean the mess after him.
You are losing it !
That is exactly what I meant.
Read my comment again and carefully this time.
smart ass !
The proof is provided by your own behavior. You adopted this farce, claiming to be an atheist, to bolster your pretense of impartiality when in reality you showed your bias from the start. You started with your vitriol against Wafa Sultan and me. Now that is quite an odd stance from someone who claims to be an atheist. Why? One does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out you are an impostor. Then you removed your mask, which you never wore it properly to fool anyone, anyway. Any time anyone attacked Islam you ignored their argument and instead found faults in other religions. This tu quoque fallacy is typical Islamic way of reasoning. Muslims think if they find faults in other religions then the faults of Islam become less visible or can be ignored.
You project your own vices of being a hypocrite and a liar on others, which is again an Islamic trait. Muslims have inherited this vice from their prophet and it is common in all Muslims. Talk to any Muslim and the first thing they say is to project their own flaws on others. There is not a single Muslim that does not do this. I am not saying there are not good people among Muslims but there all of them take part in this Freudian Projection and and project the vices of the Islamic world on others. The moment they stop this projection and start looking at their own faults they will leave Islam. Islam cannot survive without this trick. From the day-one that Muslims start indoctrinating someone, the first things they teach him is that non-Muslims are bad and Muslims are good and they project their own vices on the non-Muslims.
It was not really hard to see your true face almost from the start.
The majority of Muslims are not brain dead. They are simply misinformed. Once they learn the truth, they will at first deny it, because that is how faith works, but if that truth is hammered on them they will eventually start doubting and once that process starts it will have a domino effect and it will be only a matter of time, often very soon, for them to lose their faith. The trick is to make them doubt once. That would be like a crack in their damn of denials.
The majority of Muslims also don\’t read anything against Islam.I never read anything against Islam. My enlightenment came when I read the Quran. We need a much more effective way to reach hundreds of millions of Muslims. A well written and will done movie has that power. This movie I am working on has a revolutionary effect. It will be more powerful than 100 nuclear bombs. The good thing about it that is does not kill life or buildings.It only targets ignorance.
The hygiene argument is a silly one. In fact circumcision is blasphemy. It implies that the creator has made a mistake in his creation, which humans now have to correct.
Hindus neither adore me nor worship me. This is preposterous. The ones who really know what I am saying simply agree with me. They can see Islam has destroyed their country and they agree to stop this menace should be through non violent means. Now Indians have a somewhat peculiar way of praising someone. For example to say, hey you done a great work they may say you are a god. That is the way their language is constructed and you should not take that literally. Furthermore, there are millions of gods in India. Monkeys, rats and snakes are also among them. So really it is not a that glamorous to be an Indian god. Anyone who does something noteworthy becomes some sort of god. It does not mean Indian worship these so called gods. It is just to say they\’ve done something extraordinary. So don\’t get too excited next time you hear an Indian praising me. Neither he means it nor do I misunderstand him.
Not every Faith prescribes the Golden Rule. There is no such thing as the Golden Rule in Islam. I have an entire article dedicated to this subject in this blog.
Ali and Aminriadh are welcome to give their interpretations too.
Hei ! Nameless I want your interpretations on Koran 10 : 93 and 17 : 104. Don't run away this time. HA !
lol Save your rotten tomatoes eh!
Muslims don't insult Jesus but you told us how you interpret lol
You shall be held to account for that motivation a lot, I think and hope.
I told you the teri maa di puudi always works with you denialisnoproof.
Run along now, maa is waiting for tera lunn and behn is giving baap ji the choosa and the naanni is doing the horse.
All whist the village is lining up for their turn.
Even the Pundit is drawing straws for his turn!
Rainbow, Ali Sina said:
"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck."
He means in your post you gave ample clues that you were a Muslim.
Now involved people and onlookers may operate under the principle:
"Someone is always innocent until proven guilty"
But there is an alternative rational thinking by those involved in debate here and onlookers:
And that has to do with identifying and guard against:
well,…. threats, danger, hostile propaganda, ….even small ones.
And when people do not guard themselves and often others against these, that is considered their responsibility too.
Merely operating under the rule of presuming a person's innocence, or relying on his/ her own words, and NOT responding to threats, detrimental influence, can be considered by others as "negligent, derelict in duty, not warning when warning is due, naive".
@Radan
Because you guys claim to live by the Golden Rule, which for the record so does almost every Faith . Do unto others what you would have them do to you.
So before you start with others, look at your own back yard.
Simple.
@Intelligent lad.
You have actually summed up what I have been saying all along.
Hindus don't just adore Ali Sina, but they actually worship him.
Hindus and Ali Sina go hand in hand.
Both are as bad as each other!
"Other religions besides Islam – use the same word to mean God. "
Hindus, Buddhists, Jains don't use allah to mean god. allah belongs to desert.
How did you prove that allah and god are one deity? Did you see? Can you show it to us? Who is lying here?
Why are you deviating? Are we not discussing about quran and muham(mad)? How come the bible is brought in between?
Aminriadh, I say your conclusions/ accusations are suspect. They probably are preconceived, prejudiced and manipulative.
And this is my opinion and it is not in need of evidence or reason, because without them it is not necessarily untrue.
But I can refer to your own record and let the reader decide for him/ herself. It is meant to convince, and it can be worked out, but to convey it is enough for me now, and perfectly "legitimate" in my view.
You repeat ad nauseam that I support Ali Sina and Julia while they according to you engage in something condemnable. But long since I explained my position on this issue and still you keep repeating these conclusions/ accusations of yours as if I never explained it.
And I can easily repeat then too my position in full. But I will instead refer mostly to my earlier posts.
Suffice it to say that I do not like personal insults, but I take them anyway with equanimity. Because I know that I am not entitled to protection against being insulted, against my feelings being hurt. And I know that I can zap away from insults, if they are restrained to the internet, or tv, or in the media, or in some conference and such.
I repeat, your conclusions, accusations should be viewed as very suspect. It has been shown, it can be shown much more and it probably will be shown much more in the future. Often they stand on "quicksand".
And people who read them better check them, better compare them with competing conclusions on same issues, from opponents. Or with the many alternative explanations for the ones given by you,
which could very well be highly biased, prejudiced, manipulative, preconceived, meant to dismiss-deny all contradicting opinions and all of their value.
Almost all of your conclusions-accusations, in my opinion, are in order to protect your beloved Islam. Not by promoting it's merits, but by bringing down the merits of it's competitors and emphasizing the demerits of it's competitors and by denying Islam's demerits.
I was a RAW agent some time back ,we had device to track these Muslim terrorist,because they do not have proficiency in any language ,accept their village language or when they reach the shore of UK or USA they try to become English man ,this especially happens with sub-continent Muslim people ,now I have devised a language to track these potential future terrorist .Any body body want this device hook me at … depend on your response.
" What you must understand is before you criticize others, look at your own back yard and ensure it is in pristine condition."
I disagree with this, Ali. I take it that what you say goes just as well for the one side as for the other, which means that Muslims also should make sure their own backyard is in pristine condition before they criticize kafirs.
But I suggest an alternative for this; if there are 2 or more ways of organising society and of living a good meaningfull life, and of explaining the world and history and how it works and was, then:
let them compete with each others on their merits and demerits and let people compare them and choose the truest and best they can find, and let the truest and best one win.
The problem for both Muslims and Westerners to make sure that their own backyard is first in pristine condition before they criticize the competition, is that …
the competition will try to make sure that the backyard of the competitor is never in pristine condition. And even if it would be, then still the competitor will never agree to it. A backyard cannot be in PERFECT condition and the competitor will always point to flaws and problems. So never will the pristine condition be achieved. Whereas a better condition than that of the competitors CAN be aspired to and achieved and often is.
No, better let 2 or more beliefsystems compete. And the UN and other organisations, like even the CIA in Freedom House-website, have for quite some time now registered how different countries with different dominating belief systems have performed, so comparing performance, failure and success between them is becoming increasingly possible and apparent.
And I know you too are aware of this because you too in the past has made use of sources of UN and other organisations to show performance of nations, peoples, beliefsystems. And some quite good ones too.
it is easy for a common Hindu to obtain visa for US ,but it is difficult for high profile Muslim to do so (example Sharuk khan)
"Yes . . . . especially when I ask for evidence. Then you start making excuses."
Look Aminriadh, my opinions-claims can be true or untrue, but assuming and declaring them untrue is logical fallacy, and leaning on it diminishes the worth of your conclusions-accusations and your credibility.
And there is NO AGREEMENT between you and me or your or my group (say Islam-apologists and Counterjihadists) that obliges us to provide proof-evidence-references-logic.
We are not even trying to convince each other, no, we are both talking to at the very least a hypothetical listener. And we try to convince him/ her. And (s)he decides.
When I am weak in providing proof and logic that is to your advantage. You can beat me on issues with better proof and logic.
But you try to influence hypothetical listeners with all your denials, dismissals, derogatory, integrity-diminishing conclusions, accusations
to devalue your opponents. It is negative, attempting to bring down your opponents and their messages.
But the alternative is to admit the worth of your opponents and their messages, but then to improve upon them, both in character and message, and thus in evidence and logic. Saying your opponent has 3 plusses but you have 4!
Why do you to need to bring your opponent and his message down to zero all the time? Because you yourself have no more than 1 plus to present?
Ali Sina is our Guru. He will live in hearts of thousands of freedom loving people on this planet. His name is now eternal. He has become the real immoral Persian warrior. He is the most loved Iranian by Hindus. Hindus have got determination to fight Islam ideologically through Guru Ali Sina's words.All true Hindus are on the side of Ali Sina. We are proud of Him.
You wrote:
"(W)hen you CANNOT given evidence in support. Then that makes them untrue."
(Them: My opinions, claims or statements).
Again I point to you:
This is known as the "Fallacy Fallacy"
as is pointed out in:
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logical….
The website you yourself recommended.
This website says:
"Humans also tend to use logical short-cuts, called heuristics. These are thought processes that are not strictly valid in their logic, but are true most of the time and therefore are a useful rule-of-thumb as to what is likely to be true".
And about fallacy fallacy:
"As I mentioned near the beginning of this article, just because someone invokes an unsound argument for a conclusion, that does not necessarily mean the conclusion is false." A conclusion may happen to be true even if an argument used to support is is not sound. I may argue, for example, Obama is a Democrat because the sky is blue – an obvious non-sequitur. But the conclusion, Obama is a Democrat, is still true."""
"""Related to this, and common in the comments sections of blogs, is the position that because some random person on the internet is unable to defend a position well, that the position is therefore false. All that has really been demonstrated is that the one person in question cannot adequately defend their position.""
“If you (a lay person) cannot explain to me,” the argument frequently goes, “exactly how this science works, then it is false.”
So on this website it is clearly explained that an opinion, statement, claim is NOT NECESSARILY UNTRUE and MIGHT WELL BE TRUE if is presented but not backed up by enough …… proof, evidence, references, logic.
Hence accusing a person of lying and dishonesty after declaring his opinions untrue, just because they were not sufficiently backed up, which you do all the time,
IS LOGICAL FALLACY (fallacy fallacy).
To you this fallacy is very important in drawing your conclusions, making your accusations, derogatory remarks.
But these are all almost worthless, meaningless even, nonsense in part,
because of this logical fallacy on which you lean like on a crutch.
Ali Sina's analysis of islam and muham(mad) is a great contribution to understand islam in its true perspective and it is helpful for both muslims as well as non-muslims. He will be remembered forever.
Why don't you bring some scholar from your religion of peace to debate with him?
teri ammi di phuddi mein mera hindu lund.
you are born out of right hand possession . you think your words will hurt me?
go and ask how mughal soldiers boinked your great grand ma.
hahahhaha
@Joe
You really need to look at your own back yard and get out the kitchen before it gets too hot.
If you thinking is Stone Age, then what would you classify yours as?
By the same token, where is Jesus? Does he even have a grave? Take your time. Or Moses, or Noah, or David, or Abraham. Exactly where are their graves?
An article of faith for us Muslims is to accept all the Messengers which includes Jesus. We can never ridicule Jesus, like the way you do Mohammed.
However moving onto your way of life, where are the 14 lost Books of your Bible and explain this:
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." Proverbs 26:4
"Answer of fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes." Proverbs 26:5
Which one is it?
Bear in mind, this is just for starters.
Even without circumcision we are hygienic.
@denialisnoproof. Speaking from experience are we?
Or do you want the teri maa di puudi verses again? It usually does the trick when you step out of line.
@Loki
The Evolutionary Theory is taught in many places. For example, it is compulsory in publicly funded schools in the UK. It is taught in Russia, Poland, Norway, the EU and most States in the USA etc.
Yes, we do evolve, but not the way Darwin stated. Darwinism is just a Theory and has been proven wrong by his own peers in the science world. Theories are made to be disputed.
The scientists who discredit Darwins Theory include:
Sir Ernest Chain, co-holder of the 1945 Nobel Prize for developing penicillin
P. Lemoine, president of the Geological Society of France, editor of the Encyclopedie Francaise, and director of the Natural History Museum in Paris
Dr. Wernher von Braun, father of America’s space program
Werner von Braun, who oversaw the team of scientists that sent the first American into space and masterminded the moon landing
Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, U.S. Atomic Energy Commission
Louis Bounoure, director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum, then director of research at the French National Center of Scientific Research
Dr. Wolfgang Smith, science writer and teacher at MIT and UCLA
Charles Townes, who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on laser principles
Sir John William Dawson, who pioneered Canadian geology and served as president of both Mc Gill University and the British Association for the Advancement of Science
Astronomer Sir William Herschel (1738-1822), who discovered Uranus and built the greatest reflecting telescopes of his day
John Frederick Herschel (son of Sir William) discovered more than 500 stars and nebulae
John Flamsteed (1646-1719) made the first great map of the stars, founded the famous Greenwich Observatory, was first Astronomer Royal of England – and a clergyman
John Ray (1627-1705), first to suggest classifying organisms by species and considered the leading authority on zoology and botany in his day
Evolution was not Darwin's original idea, as he stole it from his father and compiled it from other sources that existed before his father, as the background of the theory of evolution is old indeed, and is certainly not new to Darwin, who was a seminary dropout with absolutely no science degrees or any scientific authority at all, yet he was believed by many gullible people who stuck by him deceiving their own selves.
Evolution is proven to be untrue by evolutionists constant updating of it, which proves that it is a lie that is just growing bigger to cover up all of its flaws, such as the big bang theory, and the circular reasoning associated with the carbon-14 method.
Darwin is still thought by some to have renounced his theory upon his deathbed, for he knew that it was a lie all along, but he refused to believe it for a very long time, choosing to believe a self-professed lie, and has since led millions in deception to defend a theory that even the alleged father of it has long ago renounced in his dying breaths.
The carbon-14 tries to prove the age of fossils by comparing the old dirt with the fossil, but it is unable to truly prove anything, as it is limited to just the dirt and the fossil, which are the only elements of persuasion. A 4 million year old rock can no more prove its age than it can prove the age of its fossil. It tries to prove its age according to the haphazard theory with the age of the rock, which is circular reasoning, and never truly verifies anything.
From 1859, when Charles Darwin’s Origin of the Species was published, to the present; from Marx, Nietzche, and Huxley to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, Darwinism has been used to justify class struggle, racial purity, genocide, and the mass slaughter of innocents. Make no mistake, if today’s evolutionists get their perfect world, evil will occupy the throne.
But your tilt create doubt's
Mr Sina u have accepted that these intelligent! Muslims (who could be enlightened ,but reluctant to such exercises)are brain dead zombies ,than how is it possible thouse99% brain dead zombies could be enlightened by your seer debate exposing the myth of Islam. There are many idiots (Zokar Naik,Osama Laden etc)lurking here and their all the time to rejuvenate the faith in these 99% waste oxygen's.
u people understand this kind of English
Muham(mad) made the comment about the beauty of his daughter in law, in his adopted son's house when his son was not available and at that time she was still the wife of his son. This only led his son to divorce his wife to enable Muham(mad) to marry her. Allah, as usual, sent a timely revelation to avoid further annoyance even among his thugs and robbers.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:
Narrated 'Aisha:
as above (229).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "
idiotic muslim the angelfire has no comments section to refute their idiotic claim . but this website which clearly proves that your mohammad inserted his 53 year old penis in a 9 year old girls vagina has given you opportunity to disprove . what a shameless muslim creatures.
idiotic islamic subhuman ,please put reference here like i did .
we got you hahahhahah.
these are the buddhist versions of ramayana . original ramayana is written by valmiki.
rama had only one wife you are very easy to disprove you should read that site with getting rid of your narrow mind.
Do you think it matters to me what a person like you
think of me ?
Submit a proof that I am a muslim other than assumption.
BTW how pornography in Ramayan makes Islam true religion according to you? Why are u deviating the discussion?
That is best shot of Muslim. When they failed to give any logical answer they start abusing other religion people by mistranslation of their books to deviate the discussion. They can say anything like Jesus was indulging in sex with his mother while translating Bibal.
JR is a professional con artist by his own admission.He merely mimics or fraudulently produce quasi psychic results and expect us to believe this is how all psychics operate.Neither Jr or any other closed minded skeptic have debunked the evidence for telepathy or psychic phenomena as presented in Geller's Papers,which is a peer reviewed compilation of Geller's abilities documented by various scientists around the world.
Evolution isn't a random idea that started and ended with Darwin.
Evolution is taught at Harvard, Yale, and almost all premier Universities with good Science programs. The number of peer-reviewed papers published on Evolution is in thousands per day with wide areas of applications. It's a vibrant research area with scores of subfields.
While like all professions we'll have corrupt people in Science, but Science in general isn't out there with a motive to con 'God' out of the picture.It's just that no Empirical,Quantitative or Rational study has ever established God to any degree of confidence. It's just that Scientists don't cop out with "It must be God" when they struggle to explain something.
Religions have done that for ages – fire,flood,drought,earthquake,rain,volcanoes,epidemics,infant deaths,deformities,failures,losses,sunlight,eclipses,stars,mountains,seas – almost everything had a divine explanation.
Science has diligently studied all of them and successfully explained them but nowhere an invisible being pulling the strings was found,not even a trace.
If you did follow the above conversation, it WASN'T about me
It was about a conspiracy theory.
And why anyone should trust when it comes from a fanatic believer? Since when believers of any faith can be trusted to be unbiased?
Yep, he has a rich history of fraud. I don\’t have to worry about that.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/wrote/Awake3.htm…
Lord Rama's mom & co-moms participate in the queen-horse sexual ritual of the asvamedha in the Valmiki Ramayana
< a href="http://www.angelfire.com/journal/wrote/Awake3.html" > Pornography
Are you again projecting? You came here claiming to be an atheist but acted and reasoned very much like any other Muslim. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it must be a duck. So who is a liar and a hypocrite? You project your tributes on others.
You can say what you want. Who will believe a liar
other that the fools.
And I\’d say without people like you Islam would not exist.
Well…congratulations to you, and tough luck to the fools….without them
people like you don't exist.
How can we get any truth from a liar? How can we get any
truth from a con? How can we get any truth from a creature
who sold his soul and who keeps rubbing himself against
the wall of the Jews so that from time to time they throw to
him some coins accompanied with contempt.
How can we get any truth from a coward, who is hiding
and working in the dark….the truth likes the light.
You are working on your movie…eh ? I have a hunch that
your end will be similar of Nackola Nackola, whom they found
out, after arresting him, that he had a rich history of fraud and scams.
lol your mohammad was a cross dresser.
It also says in Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393
لا تؤذيني في عائشة فإن الوحي لم يأتني وأنا في ثوب امرأة إلا عائشة"
“Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN (fee) A WOMAN’S GARMENT (Thawb) EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA.”
see below
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Muawiya who said, "I saw the prophet (pbuh) sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him . For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire).
Can you give any proof from Veda contain pornography, homosexuality etc.
HERE ARE SOME VERSE IN FROM VEDA
Rigveda 2.41.17: A scholarly woman, the entire life of society depends upon you. You provide us the right knowledge. May you bring knowledge to all segments of society.
Rigveda 6.49.7: O scholarly woman, you purify our character. You have noble characteristics. You conduct noble actions. You have noble habits. We bow to your greatness that provides bliss to all.
Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.
4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.
5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.
6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.
I don't care who is or who was Indra. Your scriptures are loaded with pornography , homosexuality , goddess having sex with animals, war between gods and devils where your gods even get defeated and ran.Human also protected your gods from devils. blah blah whatever you believe your rotten tomatoes !
Already provided link for virgin dissing.
i know, we're all just wasting our time debating with an idiot. it's amusing.
Nothing wrong with circumsision. It is hygenic.
Most of the Christians in America circumsize
their sons.
why, do you talk to yourself a lot?
you too
The source of information about Islam should be
neutral, to be acceptable. If the source is coming
from a fanatic of another religion, no sane person
trusts it.
indra was king of suras .
there is a difference between deva and suras .
some people tell them they are god , but it is just a status , indra is just a status not a person.
you are too unintelligent to understand depths of dharma . stick to your virgins in eternal brothel.
@Sakat,
the path forward must certainly mean facing the truth no matter what form it is in.. In many ways we must let go of the past so that we can see clearly what is infront of us..
trying to use religion for our future is like sitting in the car looking out the back window and tring to drive forward.. does not take long to crash
Ali,
very amusing how simplistic your logic is.. I know you do not believe the growing evidence and the sound logic .. and so it will be very hard for you to swallow the truth as your brothers and sisters reject your pathetic attempts to push some stone age thinking on others..
where is your mohammad? rotting in a hole having been eaten by worms with not even a grave to remember him by.. not only is he burning in hell fire for his great shirk, but his name will also burn with the great mountain of qurans that have already started to burn.. whi is going to save you Ali?
Indra is king of your gods who sometimes watch porn , and even ran away when devil attacks
72 virgins are not even Islamic texts !!! here
@ali… can you show me clear proof of your claim that "the Creator" gave us humanity? Can you prove this creator? I can prove that the muslim creator actually took away your humanity, watch:
Does the preceding account from the hadith, and also mentioned in the qur’an, sound like war crimes to anybody else besides me?
Can you, ali, help me understand why making female prisoners of war is humane? Can you tell me why beheading 900 people is humane? (I suppose it’s more humane than, say… roasting them on a metal pole over an open fire).
Just please, take a moment, reflect on this slaughter depicted above, from the biographies of Muhammad, and the qur’an, and expain what is humane about it, especially the treatment of the wives.
J Stillwater
True my friend but we as a human beings learn from others.
We trust people who talk nicely and say that they have a moral high ground.
when somebody say that they are arguing logically we tend to ignore logical fallacies thinking that they are being honest.
yes I did my research otherwise I would have circumsized my penis by now.
I don't want to go out of india.
go and see the mullahs standing in queue in pakistan.
shameless mawali . you must be feeling very good to be born to a right hand possession
nude dancers? yeah go and read about your islamic jannat e brothel .
the persons you are talking is indra . he was a demigod not god. so take your nonsense elsewhere .
will your mom get 72 studs in jannath ?
Problem with you hate mongers even if its random script injection attack , you think its deliberate attack from Muslims lol
Even the cats were not spared from the mania of Christianity.
They used to hang them on the gates of churches, because
they thought that they are evil. Those beautiful, adorable
creatures, never had mercy on them.
However, nature always retaliates for itself. After terminating
the cats, the black death (plague) invaded Europe.
\”So you see, it is you that is doing a service to Islam without even realizing it Ali Sina\”
I am glad you see it that way. So why don\’t you promote my blog? I am promoting the Quran and Hadith. I quote them and give reference to them so people can go and read those verses in their sources. Why don\’t you do the same with this site. Ask people to come and read my articles. Don\’t you want to see Islam grow?
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\”People like me strengthen our Faith when we see the schit you come out with\”
Of course you do. That is because like a fly you are attracted to schit. The more I poke into this schit called Islam and its putrid smells comes out, the more you love it. You love murder, rape, looting, misogyny, discrimination, violence, hatred of fellow humans. So the more I show you the true Islam the more you love it. On the other hand there are people who don\’t like schit. They believe in Islam because they think it is a good religion and that Muhammad was a holy man. I want to help them. I have no delusions about you. But you help me to expose Islam. I use you to advance my goal and to show to the world what Islam does to human brain. When you say raiding is better than asking for donations, I love it. It very much sounds like the Quranic Verse 2:192 that says persecution is worse than killing. No one was persecuting Muslims in Mecca. I debunked that myth in my book. But Muhammad convinced his followers of it and then when he came to Medina he told his follower to raid and kill the Meccans because, as he put it, their preventing them to become Muslims was worse than Muslims killing them.
Our humanity, what distinguishes humans from animals, i.e. our human consciousness, empathy, ethics and morality are products of evolution just as our brain is a product of evolution.
We are the only species that can understand how others feel and feel their pain and suffering. This is called empathy. We created a universal law that reflects that empathy, which we call the Golden Rule.
Only humans understand the Golden Rule. Animals are and psychopaths do not evolved enough to understand it. Interestingly, this Golden Rule does not exist in Islam. The entire Quran is filled with verses that defy such a rule. Islam is the only creed that does not prescribe unconditional compassion for all mankind and restricts kindness to only fellow believers. It actually prescribes harshness and even murder of non-believers. So it is fair to say that Islam is a religion that reduces one’s humanity and brings out the animal nature of its followers.
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“I don’t care what you say about Mohammed because I know he was a trillion times better than you”
In what ways he was better than me? You already explained one area that you think he was superior to me. He raided in the middle of the night, butchered unarmed men and robed their belongings, whereas I have a PayPal button on my blog for donations. You think his ways were way superior to mine. Can you tell us in what other ways he was superior?
English please Sakat. Not the broken Hindi version please.
Thanks.
@denialisnoproof.
Don't hate the player Dalit, hate the game.
Go pray to one of your gods and ask them to get you a visa to leave India. Ask Durga, she's got plenty hands.
You can say what you like about me Ali Sina, It doesn't make a slightest bit of difference to my life or health.
How can we Muslims lose our humanity when you and your people don't even acknowledge the Creator who gave us Humanity? Atheists like you are the real dangers to mankind and always have been. History does not lie.
I don't care what you say about Mohammed because I know he was a trillion times better than you, regardless of what you subscribe to him. You saying all this and that about Mohammed doesn't hurt or effect Mohammed in the slightest. It is you that is being hurt and will have to answer for your transgressions.
People can come on here and make up their own minds after which they can go and research the Quran and Hadith and you will see the outcome. More and more people will come to Islam.
So you see, it is you that is doing a service to Islam without even realizing it Ali Sina. People like me strengthen our Faith when we see the schit you come out with and newcomers tend to lean towards Islam. If people were listening to you and leaving Islam in droves as you falsely proclaim, you'd be parading them all over this site. Just like when one Muslim leaves Islam, they are paraded all over the media.
There is no such thing as demons or demonic, no such thing as spirituality and no such thing as the soul. Isn't this what Atheists believe? Why you using religious tones to describe?
I might be a brain dead zombie according to your logic, but I am still a million times better than you in every respect. Financially, Morally, Spiritually, Intellectually, Emotionally, Rationally and above all God Consciously.
Keep dreaming as it is only a matter of time before you leave this world and then you'll really know what time it is.
If you want to refute something you may want to at least learn about it to know what you are refuting. Here is a very brief explanation of the theory of natural selection made easy for anyone to understand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76jw0ZB9hA
I actually suggest you watch the whole series. Start from here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1fs6vp9Ok
This series is made for school children but it is one of the best introductions to science and scientific thinking. I highly recommend it.
@denialisnoproof.
Still growing though. Must be real frustrating for you to witness, but it is still growing.
As The Rock says, 'it doesn't matter'
@aminriadh… allow me to point out another fallacy that is common to muslims that engage in debate, and I'll use your post above to illustrate my point. You say at the end of your post above: "Once again, I'm being kind to you. Take heed!"
This is called the fallacy ad baculum. A better way to say it would be: "you'd better back off, or else!" in the hopes that it will in some way make the arguer back off… muslims use this all the time in varying degrees… the most brutal of which is their treatment of "infidels" in areas where they are in the majority, and where handguns are not legal to be carried by the population like they are here where I live…
Fallacies are fallacies… period… they are not truth… nor do they advance truth… The only life worth living, is the life of truth… a life without truth is an existence without life… or basically, death.
I am not here to save myself… I am dying… and before too long, I will be dead, and gone, and so will all the posters on this forum… I stopped caring about life and death a long time ago… on the day I realized we all die anyway… but I refuse to live a lie while I'm alive… and I refuse to sit back and watch liars and con artists destroy the freedoms I and all who went before me have died for.
No need to be kind to me, aminriahd… if you have greater and more solid reasoning, bring it.
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… I just reposted the initial paragraph under consideration… I put it right under where you say your list of my errors are enumerated… it's no wonder I missed your errors…
1. the adultery thing will be proved shortly.
2. Not sure what you're referring to.
3. Correct… she inherited it from her father (which you could have stated in your post above, but didn't)… and, which still supports my argument about inheritance and the elevated social status of women in arabia before islam entered the picture and changed all that… (I'm thinking Khadajah probably didn't wear hijab).
If you have something to add to that… please post it under the relevant post that I made to rainbow above…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… just in case you forgot… here's the paragraph that started all this off…
@Rainbow… here's the distinction… a sucker is a person who is gullible… a fool is a person who, after being shown proof that they are being suckered, continues to believe in the person doing the suckering…. for example… after a muslim is shown the detestable womanizing behavior of muhammad (and all the "just in time" revelations that "came down" from allah right when he needed to screw his daughter in law… or a six year old (okay 9 year old)… or his wife's slave… or basically whomever else he wanted to screw)… they still claim he is the highest moral example for the world… that would be the fool…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… muslims don't have to believe the bible… all muslims have to do is believe muhammad… it was muhammad who mentions these people… and it would have been the BIBLE that would have given him his knowledge of them (since they only exist in that historical record)… in fact… his wife's uncle was a christian and he would have been fully aware of the bible and the characters of the bible… in fact… he said the reason he had come was because the people had corrupted the message of their father ABRAHAM… a biblical figure, who's history is ONLY recorded in the bible… soooo… gotta get back to work…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… like I keep saying… patience… here's a bit of a hint… muhammad claimed that people "from the bible" are legitimate messengers… so… I am using the messages of these legitimate messengers to illustrate my points… if they were good enough for muhammad… they are good enough for me… now… if muhammad was mistaken about these messengers, please enlighten us… if you're saying I cannot trust muhammad's endorsement of these messengers, please let me know…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… huh??? So now you're collecting my arguments from several posts and saying that this is my argument? I'm talking about the argument that sparked THIS PARTICULAR exchange… I mistakenly assumed that you would know that! Sheeesh…
Our initial exchange… regarding muhammad's relationship with his adopted son's wife… that's the subject under discussion… man…. you really ARE sleepy…
Stay focused…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… the homework is done… but the information is not compiled in the way I've listed it to you in my outline… I have you to thank for inspiring this outline… I had not really considered the implications of all this information before… it was you who inspired the connections… so for that, muslims should thank you. Sure, I had noticed the adultery thing… but what I had not noticed before was the connection to it actually being allah who placed the adulterous thoughts in muhammad's heart… this was a real revelation, for which I, and your fellow muslims, have you to thank.
Just think, you can actually take the credit for the article that results from this exchange… and I will be sure to mention you and link to your profile when I'm done… that way, you can receive all the credit you deserve from your fellow muslims.
and besides… it's nice to be able to take a break every few minutes and engage with you… it keeps my task here more lively and interesting… I stop, stretch… grab some coffee… maybe take a quick wee-wee… crack my knuckles… click over to the ali sina page and see if you've posted any more comments… it's nice… I'm hoping you keep it up for a while…
@aminriadh… you are absolutely correct. If I cannot, with clear evidence, show where you have committed a fallacy, it is nothing more than a false claim. Bravo!!! So what fallacy have you committed? "Appeal to ridicule" is the fallacy you are committing. You are continually ridiculing my answers and not the logic of my arguments… you can't just state: "your answer are ridiculous" or "your answers are full of false reasoning" or "that's just stupid" or "That just makes me laugh" (insinuating that the answer is "ridicul-ous") These are all appeals to ridicule…
aminriadh… you engage in the fallacy all the time… you have 5 specific fallacies that you engage in on a regular basis… but this is by FAR your most used fallacy…
The list of fallacies… especially from 14 onward, should help you point out the fallacies I'm referring to… or… if you like, when I'm done with the current task of proving muhammad was an adulterer… I'll gladly take on the task of showing you, with clear quotes of yours, where you are engaging, on a constant basis, in these fallacies…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… just a quick note to you in between compiling the detail points of my outline… oh… and speaking of my outline… have another look at it… and tell me… how long do you think it would take for you to compile all the data necessary to give a good defense of all the points I've mentioned? You think you could do it in ten minutes? 30? An hour? 2 hours? I mean ALL the items on the outline… how long? A couple of days maybe… ??
There's no greater desire in my heart right now than to give you the thing you most deeply crave… which is proofs for my claims… it is the one, singular drive in my existence right now… so please… don't deprive me of this exquisite opportunity for me to serve you in this way… allow me the time to indulge you fully… think of it as my gift to you for being… well… how do I say this… for being… YOU!
J Stillwater
"right… just like I thought… you have no list of errors… or do you? "
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/12/07/what-happened-…
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"but for that price, I require that my errors be enumerated to me… it's only fair…"
I tend to look at your intense debate . . . and your comments.
I know for fact you do the same.
So this too is nothing more than a hoo-ha.
As I pointed 3 out. Straight under where you asked.
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Look – i am interested this "biggie"
Not more irrelevant nonsense. . . .
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A way out of this gibberish.
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"Be sure to read Matthew 5:27-32 as your bedtime story… it will prepare you for the coming days… "
Oh wow!
Now recommend the Bible!
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Sorry son . . . you don't know much about Islam.
You posted stuff up.
It got challenged and you were shown the door.
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You felt ashamed – and belittled.
Hence – all this carrying on.
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Why oh why all the nonsense?
Who do you think it is convincing?
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Now the biggie seems to be read NT.
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What a let down
I am disappointed. But NOT surprised.
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@aminriadh… right… just like I thought… you have no list of errors… or do you? You can still redeem yourself by posting that list though… it's never too late… I'll be the first person to admit when I'm wrong… but for that price, I require that my errors be enumerated to me… it's only fair… and I promise to do the same for you…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… thank you… I appreciate the offered concession… I had not noticed you offered me a way out… oh… and by the way… a way out of what? Not sure we ever discussed any "fix" or "quandary" I was mired in… I'm sure it will all be better after you get a nice night's sleep.
Be sure to read Matthew 5:27-32 as your bedtime story… it will prepare you for the coming days…
Thanks again for the offer of a concession… that was very nice of you.
J Stillwater
I seriously doubt it.
I have dealt with people like you.
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I predict a drama like Julia and the word Salah.
Once again – I am being kind to you.
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Take heed!
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"you will need all the strength you can muster for this next round…"
Pity you still haven't got off the ground from the last one!
1. The above post is meaningless as it doesn't seem to relate to anything.
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2.
"according to Jesus, whom muhammad said was one of his predecessors, and also a messenger of the god of abraham, adultery occurs at the instant a man lusts after a married woman. That is adultery according to the god of Abraham. "
Quoting Bible in such way is useless to Muslims – as you should already know – Muslims DO NOT believe in the Bible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_…
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@aminriadh… go ahead and go to bed… you will need all the strength you can muster for this next round…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… according to Jesus, whom muhammad said was one of his predecessors, and also a messenger of the god of abraham, adultery occurs at the instant a man lusts after a married woman. That is adultery according to the god of Abraham.
And so goes the teaching of Jesus, and by extension… the god of abraham.
J Stillwater
Sure . . . but I am going to bed soon.
It is 11:49 pm.
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This getting really idiotic.
I pity you you . . . . and feel sorry for your embarrassment and shame.
But you have brought this ridiculous misery on your own self.
I gave you a way out.
Look up son.
Ha ha ha ha . . .
It is kind of obvious.
I feel sorry for you. And pity.
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Julia played such games. To no avail.
The troll is banned by Sina!
This is even more ridiculous and bizarre.
You are attempting to attack me – to divert attention from your own errors . . . yet you keep posting up claims – you are ABOUT to do something major!
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Also
If I have committed a fallacy – prove it. . . . with evidence.
Else it is a false accusation.
All false accusations are lies.
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"I hope this experience gives you a clear first-hand look at how muslims use fallacies in the absence of ways to refute attacks against the jumble of contradictions and errors that is islam. "
Again – mere meaningless claims.
I am not "Muslims"
I am a Muslims . . .
Not a generality
But a specific person . . . .
If you have proof of any fallacy i have used.
Proof it!
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As I have shown – and stated
reading a list of fallacies doesn't make one expert in logic.
Studying logic does.
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Also . .. . I have repeatedly highlighted YOUR use of illogical forms of arguments.
At each point – I have given reasons.
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Now either do that . . . . point out in such way with reason.
Or – these are even more false accusations.
@aminriadh… you ask… "why dont you say all this in your next posts… why waste time?" I'll relate a story to you…
There once was a town. The people went every day to the lake for water. It was a long trip. One day, the people decided to hire two of their men to take buckets to the lake and fetch water for the town. One began right away. The other disappeared. Nobody knew where he had gone. The first guy, lugs buckets, back and forth… wearing himself out… but he keeps going…
Then, one day many months later, the second guy shows up, with architects, heavy machinery, trucks, pipes, pumps and pulleys, and in the next month, constructs the most amazing aqueduct anyone had ever seen…
Patience my dear aminriadh… patience… it only appears as if I've disappeared…
J Stillwater
meaning that you are doing your homework know – so at least 4 hours . . . to go!
Something you should have done earlier!
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Then you waste more time by posting comments saying – you are about to make these BIG proofs/evidences!
Why talk . . . . just do the deed and be done with it!
"it's another thing to actually outline those errors and show the flow of your reasoning… "
At their points I have.
Hence I will mention a few:
1. Zaynab was a divorcee.
"I claimed that muhammad had stolen another man's wife… that was my claim"
Not correct
2. You claimed Prophet Muhammad's style of contact from God was unique – not so.
3. Although you posed it as a question – Khadijah did NOT inherit her wealth from Husbands.
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Actually doesn't this show your dishonesty somewhat? As you can find easily enough my replies to you . . . .
By using intensedebate.
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" it's another thing to actually outline those errors and show the flow of your reasoning"
As for . . . . logical errors – they too are pointed out – with reasons.
@aminriadh… still waiting for that list of errors I supposedly committed… I see you've made several posts since I asked you for this… so I know you're still around… could you please post those errors you say I committed? Waiting…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… so glad you posted this… it adds to the suspense, and therefore makes the "reveal" more satisfying to those watching the exchange… good one… the "I suspect – he has gone off to find a way to weasel out of this one" is an especially nice touch… I couldn't have scripted a better "set up" myself… thank you for that!
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… keep it coming… in the case of a character study… more information about a character is always good… so… please… keep posting…
J Stillwater
"I made a simple claim in my earlier argument… I claimed that muhammad had stolen another man's wife… that was my claim… in that claim, I mentioned that it was his son (which is a side argument that you seized on instead of dealing with the central argument of adultery)… muhammad himself called this freed slave his son when he announced his manumission and adoption at the ka'ba… he called him his son and gave him full inheritance rights… (I will cover all this in my upcoming posts)… furthermore…. the arabs believed that an adopted son was the same as a natural born son… (again, I will prove all this in my upcoming posts) "
blah blah blah – then why don't you say all this in your next posts . . . why waste time?
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What a waste of post to just say . . . . you will prove next time!
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"Again, the main thrust of my earlier comment is that muhammad was an adulterer… you retorted by saying she wasn't his daughter in law… because the freed slave wasn't his "real" son, but was his "adopted" son… "
Doh!
Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Jahsh
She was a divorcee.
" it illustrates how you respond both in the face of proofs and without them…"
Another bogus claim . . . . see are you sure you are NOT Demsci?
The thing is once again no proof.
Why say:
"I will just state that here, and leave it to the reader to click on your name and read your responses… it's a very revealing exercise… and it illustrates how you respond both in the face of proofs and without them"
Why don't you just go right ahead and paste up evidence here!
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"Keep laughing… I actually enjoy providing moments of laughter for people… especially when I know those moments will most likely sooner than later turn to tears as the painful truths of their ideology become more clear to them… you, and people like you, are the very best thing that could happen to islam… "
Ha ha ha . . . . so why couldn't you do that before . . .
And now claim it?
@aminriadh… and everyone… this seems like an appropriate place to post this link.
For everyone, including aminriadh… please take a look at aminriadh's intensedebate profile by clicking on his name above… by doing this, you will have ready access to his responses in a chronologically organized pattern so you can easily see what he has posted on this site over the weeks… this is important because you will then be able to use the following link to compare his responses and see what logical fallacies he uses over and over again ad nauseum…
Here are a list of fallacies… pay strict attention to fallacy 6, and also to fallacies 14-20. You will notice that fallacy number 6 is the one he uses most of all… "appeal to ridicule." I just love how instructive it is to interact with some people. I hope this experience gives you a clear first-hand look at how muslims use fallacies in the absence of ways to refute attacks against the jumble of contradictions and errors that is islam.
http://bringingtruth.com/OtherStuff/20LogicalFall…
J Stillwater
@Ali… go ahead and watch Neflix… sorry… no sms length resposes for you this time… but stay tuned… I figure you've got about 4 movies to watch before you'll see anything posted with regard to what I've written above…
J Stillwater
But you've been conned by Charles Darwin on one hand and you've also been conned by Shaytaan on the other hand, Ali Sina.
You've been conned both ways.
Now that's a first. Wouldn't you say?
@aminriadh… you keep commenting on errors… can you in a 1, 2, 3, type format, illustrate what I said and tell us all why you consider them errors? It's one thing to accuse someone of committing errors… it's another thing to actually outline those errors and show the flow of your reasoning…
J Stillwater
Lol . . . . isn't it funny – when such people actually HIGHLIGHT – that they have lost and lost badly.
Then start coming out with these things.
Even I feel embarrassed on his behalf.
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Julia used to do this – repeatedly.
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Funny thing is – he think I am an idiot . . . .he has probably brainwashed himself on Sina and his claims . . . .
That all Muslims are stupid.
Then he gets his arse whupped.
@aminriadh… I made a simple claim in my earlier argument… I claimed that muhammad had stolen another man's wife… that was my claim… in that claim, I mentioned that it was his son (which is a side argument that you seized on instead of dealing with the central argument of adultery)… muhammad himself called this freed slave his son when he announced his manumission and adoption at the ka'ba… he called him his son and gave him full inheritance rights… (I will cover all this in my upcoming posts)… furthermore…. the arabs believed that an adopted son was the same as a natural born son… (again, I will prove all this in my upcoming posts)
Again, the main thrust of my earlier comment is that muhammad was an adulterer… you retorted by saying she wasn't his daughter in law… because the freed slave wasn't his "real" son, but was his "adopted" son…
Finally… I wasn't make the statement as if I needed to prove anything…. I was just making the statement… it has already been proven… but for your edification, I will prove it here again… in the meantime… have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sWZCJOq2OM
J Stillwater
" I promise you… when I'm finished with this next line of reasoning… you will wish I HAD moved on…"
I have waited . . .
Seems "J Stillwater "
has gone off to have the long think – which he should have done beforehand.
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But rather than study – I suspect – he has gone off to find a way to weasel out of this one.
Not the best of options.
Why do I suspect this . . . .
Well – because of his responses.
@J_Stillwater.
Is that it?
And there was me preparing for some game changer, hoping to read some serious arguments and facts.
Oh well, back to watching a movie on Netflix for me, I think.
Better luck next time.
@aminriadh… when you've calmed down from laughing in my face… and you've had the chance to gather your composure… and wipe the hysterical slobber from your chin and cheeks… take a moment and look through your posts… it should be easy… just click on the icon next to your screen name… and go to your page at intensedebate… and notice something… whenever anybody makes a claim, whether or not they use references, your response is always the same… I will just state that here, and leave it to the reader to click on your name and read your responses… it's a very revealing exercise… and it illustrates how you respond both in the face of proofs and without them…
Keep laughing… I actually enjoy providing moments of laughter for people… especially when I know those moments will most likely sooner than later turn to tears as the painful truths of their ideology become more clear to them… you, and people like you, are the very best thing that could happen to islam…
J Stillwater
" I promise you… when I'm finished with this next line of reasoning… you will wish I HAD moved on… I'm going to stay right on this topic… because you continue to challenge both my epistemology and my character… so… I have no choice but to stay here and let you see my reasoning in full detail… a detail which is usually not possible on message boards because there is not enough room or character length allowance to fully develop arguments… but I will break this one up into peices and then I will post the argument on the web for later study in a compiled form… "
This here is a foolishness if there was ever foolishness . . . . offer him an olive branch . . . .
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"I promise you… when I'm finished with this next line of reasoning… you will wish I HAD moved on"
If you really are THAT clever . . . . why did you NOT start out right?
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Have you EVER heard of Scholar – who has pulled such tactics?
Do you know what will happen? He will get laughed out of academia.
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"There's only one thing you can do when a puppy keeps crapping in in the same place on the carpet… (hint: it has to do with the pile of crap… and the puppy's nose). "
See you are reduced this.
Meaningless, meaningless. . . . .
People have already tried such tactics.
Read up on "Julia" and his/her Salah claims!
" the reason I don't give references, especially to muslims, is because most of the things discussed on these comments are in reference to either the arguments in the articles above them, or else they are well covered in articles here and on faithfreedom.org."
doh!
I can make the same excuses . . . so can anyone. And they will be as meaningless as yours.
This is an EXCUSE – after the event.
If it is THAT easy then you would NOT Have trouble alluding to sources . . . it is THAT simple.
This is a poor excuse.
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"Also… as I stated in my post… it is much more powerful when, after an opponent says things like: "You are mistaken! You have no proof for that claim! I know what I'm talking about and you are sooooo wrong… boooo hooooo!!!" it's much more powerful to then come back with the references… "
So why haven't you managed it so far . . . for your earlier claims and mistakes!
Excuses – that highlight how poor you are and that you are making excuses!
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"This is what happened in the recent presidential campaign when Romney countered what obama said with the remark about how out of touch obama is and how the us military had less tanks and needed more tanks, etc… and then… obama came back with the statement: "well, you know… we have these things called aircraft carriers, and drones… and the drones land on the aircraft carriers…" and he basically shreded romney… this had a powerful effect… and I would say singlhandedly won him the re-election… "
Ha ha ha – you poor poor fool.
Oh, this is poor – so poor.
Why do you think I am ONE bit interested in the above meaningless spiel!
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"So… let's test this theory… humor me… I'll continue to make claims… and you just keep doing what you've been doing… only from now on… I'll come back with the proofs you say I'm lacking… that way… when people read our older exchanges, they will just think: "he's got the info, he's just not posting it here." "
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I am laughing in your face son!
After you could NOT produce source for your claims and errors!
Then you claim this . . . .
only AFTERWARDS!
Oh but you poor soul!
We have already been through rigmarole with . . . .like of Demsci.
He makes excuses for not giving out sources too.
So join the queue!
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"I'll come back with the proofs you say I'm lacking… that way… when people read our older exchanges"
THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU . . . . . !!!!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha . . . .
I shouldn't be laughing.
@Amin
Thanks for doing the work for me,
I feel tired today.
Right . . . you spout all this nonsense . . . which has nothing to do with your earlier errors.
I am glad – at least to have made an improvement in you!
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"I also promise to use sources MUCH more respected than Wikipedia… although I know Wikipedia is inspired by almighty god… there are sources that muslims consider to be even MORE inspired… like the qur’an"
But look what I have done to you . . . .
Some challenges . . . and you start spouting nonsense like the above!
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"Afterward, I will compile my argument into an article and post it somewhere on the internet for later reference and study. "
And your earlier errors!
Such as the one above!
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This was person who was preaching to others – that Muslims don't think, listen and what not . . . .
When his arse gets whupped . . . . he turn flees from his own advice.
A preacher that does not act on his own advice.
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Sonny – find the posts of one "Julia"
We have already seen such tactics . . . . pull the other one!
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I don't have the heart to make fun of this one!
It seems almost too cruel to crack a joke.
@aminriadh… I promise you… when I'm finished with this next line of reasoning… you will wish I HAD moved on… I'm going to stay right on this topic… because you continue to challenge both my epistemology and my character… so… I have no choice but to stay here and let you see my reasoning in full detail… a detail which is usually not possible on message boards because there is not enough room or character length allowance to fully develop arguments… but I will break this one up into peices and then I will post the argument on the web for later study in a compiled form…
There's only one thing you can do when a puppy keeps crapping in in the same place on the carpet… (hint: it has to do with the pile of crap… and the puppy's nose).
J Stillwater
huh?
The thing is . . . . the previous claims you have been making – them you could not prove.
So in an attempt to save your face . . . . you are coming up with your own fresh claims and then you are going to prove them!
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Yet this DOES not distract from your earlier errors.
@aminriadh… the reason I don't give references, especially to muslims, is because most of the things discussed on these comments are in reference to either the arguments in the articles above them, or else they are well covered in articles here and on faithfreedom.org. Also… as I stated in my post… it is much more powerful when, after an opponent says things like: "You are mistaken! You have no proof for that claim! I know what I'm talking about and you are sooooo wrong… boooo hooooo!!!" it's much more powerful to then come back with the references… This is what happened in the recent presidential campaign when Romney countered what obama said with the remark about how out of touch obama is and how the us military had less tanks and needed more tanks, etc… and then… obama came back with the statement: "well, you know… we have these things called aircraft carriers, and drones… and the drones land on the aircraft carriers…" and he basically shreded romney… this had a powerful effect… and I would say singlhandedly won him the re-election…
So… let's test this theory… humor me… I'll continue to make claims… and you just keep doing what you've been doing… only from now on… I'll come back with the proofs you say I'm lacking… that way… when people read our older exchanges, they will just think: "he's got the info, he's just not posting it here."
J Stillwater
It seems that you always depend on others in making decisions.
You depended on your friend (who fooled you) to convert to
Islam, then you depended on Sina to save you from it.
Try to learn and search, yourself, and think before you leap,
then decide for yourself, rather than putting your own destiney
in the hands of others.
@aminriadh…
I'll begin here and now and prove the following claims:
1.The god of Abraham is unchanging.
2.The god of Abraham hates divorce.
3.The god of Abraham hates adultery
4.Malachi was a messenger of the god of Abraham.
5.Jesus was a messenger of the god of Abraham.
6.Jesus said that lust after a married woman, even if only in the man’s mind, is an act of adultery, a thing which god hates.
7.Muhammad claimed to be a messenger of the god of Abraham, bearing the same message as all previous prophets.
8.Since the god of Abraham is unchanging, the message of all previous prophets (which include Malachi and Jesus), contain in them the fact that god hates divorce and that lust after a married woman, even if only in the mind, is adultery.
9.Sunan of Abu Dawood, Book 12, Number 2173 quotes Muhammad himself as stating god hates divorce.
10.To assign a behavior to god that is contrary to the revealed character of god is blasphemy.
11.Blasphemy is an unforgivable sin according to Jesus.
12.Muhammad said that god made him have lust for his adopted son’s wife, (an act of adultery) while she was still married to him. This claim commits an act of blasphemy.
13.Muhammad said that god actually orchestrated the divorce of his adopted son, in order to illustrate the new ability for men to marry the divorced wives of their adopted sons. This claim of divine orchestration of a divorce, is an act of blasphemy.
14.Conclusions:
a.Muhammad was not a messenger of the god of Abraham.
b.Muhammad was an adulterer.
c.Muhammad a blasphemer.
d.Muhammad committed an unforgivable sin.
e.Muhammad was a false prophet.
f.Islam is false.
". but… "ex-muslim" is the group of people who can give the best arguments for why it's not true"
Which a lot of the time simply isn't the case.
For example – Christians that become Muslims. In my experience tend NOT to be most knowledgeable about Christianity.
In the case of Priest – sure.
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People lose their faith –
But it does not in all cases equal to:
" they themselves have had to work through the arguments and reach that conclusion"
A lot of time it is simply matter of heart . . . and not necessarily of reason.
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Just because someone is an ex-Muslim – it does NOT mean either that somehow they are supporter to cause of some particularly vicious as Sina.
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"there are people in the world who indeed see muhammad as a VERY evil man"
Which can – one equally claim – equal to the fact that there are many people that see Hitler as a good person. [a few Muslims too perhaps]
Hence, claims of such nature – tend not to carry much weight.
Continued from above…
I will also not be put off if you criticize any use of the hadith, as I know some muslims these days are so embarrassed by what the hadith reveal about muhammad, they actually have decided to abandon it altogether… kind of what the mormons did with their "doctrine and covenants" once people started reading what joseph smith had to say about quakers on the moon, etc.
I also promise to use sources MUCH more respected than Wikipedia… although I know Wikipedia is inspired by almighty god… there are sources that muslims consider to be even MORE inspired… like the qur’an…. The hadith… the sira… and the tafseer… the latter resource will destroy any argument that I am being biased, as it will show the overwhelming consensus of the imams of islam…
Afterward, I will compile my argument into an article and post it somewhere on the internet for later reference and study.
All this will begin shortly… so please stay tuned…
J Stillwater
I will repeat for you attention:
"It doesn't matter if she is his daughter in law or not… she was another man's wife… and muhammad took her away from him… what a beast. "
You are factually incorrect as well – see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Jahsh
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Because your error has been pointed out – rather stupidly you still seem to be holding on to it.
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I showed this bit of Kindness to "Julia"
Who incidentally did not take the advice.
When you know you are beaten – in an instance . . .. such carrying on – simply highlights the error . . .
Why bother doing that?
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Wouldn't the smart thing be to just move on . . . .
Sina does this repeatedly.
When he is bested he tends to move on.
Which makes it harder to pin him down.
Unashamedly – he moves on. . . .
"You actually know why I would call muhammad's adopted son is "son" don't you? In fact… you already know all about the fact that allah gave muhammad adulterous feelings don't you? "
This is NONSENSICAL – and MEANINGLESS – you were caught out. Hence the pretense.
It is NOT the first time – someone has done so in your position. But futile as ever.
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"and then… I'll respond with all the references necessary to prove you have either been mistaken or deliberately misleading… I won't do it from the start.. because I want to give you the opportunity to attack me and make it seem like I don't have any justification for my claims, and make it seem like I'm just being a hate-monger… okay?"
But this is an after thought . . . . you are CLAIMING this after you have been caught.
Why didn't you say this before?
hence it is – bogus drama – to cover up your shame.
As for your MISUSE of logic – explanation are given.
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"I think it would be much more powerful that way for anyone reading our exchanges… agreed?"
No – this is childish drama . . . . and nonsense . . . you were caught – and now you are inventing little dramas to cover up.
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" And… I promise that I will use only respected sources, like the qur'an, the hadith and the tafseer… with links to these resources where possible (although lately muslims have been taking these links down because we keep using them in our arguments against islam)"
Nonsensical lies . . .
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You look silly coming up with this.
Actually the smarter thing to do would have been not answer and move on . . . . .
Dragging this on – actually HIGHLIGHTS that I have bested you.
So – thank you really.
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The things you are PROMISING to do now – after this defeat . . . why didn't you do them before.
Hence – all credit goes to me! I'll have a celebratory tea and biscuits – shall I!
@aminriadh… you are being sneaky aren't you? You actually know why I would call muhammad's adopted son is "son" don't you? In fact… you already know all about the fact that allah gave muhammad adulterous feelings don't you?
Okay… so here's what I'm going to do from now on… I'm going to post my comments… and then, you can respond and say I don't know what I'm talking about…. or that I'm "mistaken" or that I have no references, or that my logic is flawed, etc… and then… I'll respond with all the references necessary to prove you have either been mistaken or deliberately misleading… I won't do it from the start.. because I want to give you the opportunity to attack me and make it seem like I don't have any justification for my claims, and make it seem like I'm just being a hate-monger… okay? I think it would be much more powerful that way for anyone reading our exchanges… agreed? And… I promise that I will use only respected sources, like the qur'an, the hadith and the tafseer… with links to these resources where possible (although lately muslims have been taking these links down because we keep using them in our arguments against islam)…
Continued below…
For some reason the troll is at it again . . . posting this under my comments!
hey amin . give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun.
"hey amin . give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun. "
As I have said – there are no such verses in the Quran – as far as I know.
Why keep repeating this?
once a troll is always a troll hahhahaha
hey amin . give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun.
"for this question I am hate monger? what a wonderful logic . "
Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . the above hate monger reference is to Sina.
Ouch! Another misunderstanding.
You are NOT very intelligent – are you.
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This isn't the 1st time – nor second . . . . you have made such mistakes.
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Try thinking a little!
However – you seem to have stopped swearing – and calling for violence. . . . why is that?
Once again . . . . your comment is nonsensical.
"don't cry baby . you are comments are visible to me.
but go to any islamic websites all their commenting sections are completely censored .
cry baby. "
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As my above post refers to Sina and his lies and hate. Which has got nothing to do with – whether my comments are deleted.
Which you have mistakenly taken it as.
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Once a troll. . .
don't cry baby . you are comments are visible to me.
but go to any islamic websites all their commenting sections are completely censored .
cry baby.
"If he isn't a hate monger . . . . then what is he!"
hey amin . give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun.
for this question I am hate monger? what a wonderful logic .
instead of answering my question you are accusing of me being hate monger. this is how you have always argued.
Sina – where are you!
This was what our 1st exchange was about.
I claimed this . . . . Sina instantly called me a liar!
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More evidence – his motivation is hate against Muslims.
This is the person . . . . to whom Sina called me a "troll".
If he isn't a hate monger . . . . then what is he!
There is a nice website http://www.islaminindia.org which was attacked in April- 30 April 2012 I think. Since then its not on.If anyone can help removing the problem it will be of great help.
I know exactly how it feels. I too run websites totally at the mercy of others though I handle a lot of technical stuff. I used to run 2 websites very popular (not on this issue). A website upgradation required a lot of time and even minor errors could not be sorted. I had to keep sending mails to lazy people who had taken the task. Constant contacts, zero professionalism and the project took far far longer than imagined.
Here is why you are so not good enough . . . and I exposed that – oh so long ago.
Especially when you plagiarised someone's words as your own!
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"give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun. "
"then you can argue with sina that he has no evidence. "
Argue with Sina and his lack of evidence . . . has no bearings on whether I do or don't do this:
"give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun. "
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And:
"give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun. "
I don't think Quran says this.
"Ahum, "the" motivation is not hate, but ……. "
Then why support likes of "Julia"
Who was clearly spouting hate.
You justified – personal insults. And called them "effective"
When shown this is practically UNIVERSALLY condemned.
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I don't care 2bits about you opinion. That:
" there are in my opinion many good alternatives available to parts of Islam."
And I do NOT find you honest.
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"I am enchanted by Ali Sina's vision for the future of mankind in desiring that mankind will progress and adopt much more than now these better alternatives to parts of Islam. "
Yet Sina is a hate monger.
I have pointed out – all examples of such statements where I can find them.
he claims he isn't – I have EVEN given him examples of his contradictory statements.
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"So naturally I want to support those better alternatives and therefore to expose parts of Islam"
Which in my opinion – you do really really badly. In fact – you NOT able to do at all.
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Here is your dishonesty:
You claim personally NOT to favour personal abuse – yet you supported Sina.
You claim NOT to support hate . . . so what about many statements of Hate from Sina. . . .
Yet you support him.
You claim to stand for accuracy . .. . .
Yet you were arse-licking
"J Stillwater "
See the many "basic" and clear errors AND poor logical errors i have exposed. . .
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You on one claim to be something else . . . then say statements that contradict your former position.
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See – there are Christians who would want to save Muslims from Islam.
I don't term them as hate-mongers . . . . no. As many are GENUINE in their claims and belief.
i would call them misguided and wrong. In my opinion. But NOT hate-mongers.
Then why you . . . . I term as hate monger and Sina.
Because of what you say.
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Your support of Julia's abusiveness – something universally condemned as wrong.
Such motivations are borne out of hate . . . .
hey amin . give me a single verse from quran which states that earth rotates around it's own axis or revolves around sun.
then you can argue with sina that he has no evidence.
Don't worry sina won't be forgotten . he saved me from the verge of converting to islam.
My friend had fooled me about so called scientific miracles of quran, I started hating my own people thinking that their secularism is utter foolishness.
tolerating islam is a way of promoting intolerance against oneself.
Since you ask:
"What is your motivation, Aminriadh? "
Then – since you give out a multiple choice:
"Love for finding the highest truth "
Is my answer.
"I like to point out that examples and evidence would help. To convince. To compare some statements, opinions, claims with contradicting ones of opponents. To let people think and discuss, research. "
Woa!
Ha!
Wah Wah!
- See I am right.
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"But lack of examples, evidence cannot be taken as proof of falsehood, let alone lying, let alone dishonesty. "
But you have REPEATED trouble.
You even attempted to claim . . . these sites are full of evidence . . . and it should be enough!
Which was HEIGHT of stupidity!
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"Imperfection in intelligence and knowledge I gladly admit to, but not to dishonesty. "
It doesn't actually matter whether you admit it or not.
If it is successfully proven against you.
With evidence!
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"And my statements, opinions, claims can be untrue, "
I am GLAD you admit it.
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" but they can also be true."
HENCE why I challenge them.
hen you CANNOT given evidence in support.
Then that makes them untrue.
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" And for a person with the intention to find the highest truth (s)he can find it is certainly possible to check both our opinions/ claims for him/ herself. "
Yes . . . . especially when I ask for evidence.
Then you start making excuses.
Then there is ONLY one reading for such person!
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I am more right.
And: If your motivation is not hate, what is it?
Is it; love for Islam? Love for finding the highest truth you can find?
What is your motivation, Aminriadh?
Something which you said previously . . . .
Julia claimed – you let her/him back.
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Then I pointed his/her hate malicious abuse – out.
Especially when you threatened to ban A Muslim for quoting . . . .
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One wonders why it has taken you so long . . . .
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And the excuse from you – over your hypocrisy was rather stupid.
Given the amount of posting from this person.
and this is ali sinas website I should stick to his rules . not like islamic trolls who go to england and live in their handouts and bite the feeding hands like a rabid dogs.
Banning IP is like something happened in 1994. lol
again you muslim idiot should go read history text books .
don't get your madrasa education here.
if he didn't beat muslim invaders we would have become like iran.
go and read how many times prithvi raj chauhan forgave your gouri.
if we knew islam we would have killed that rapist pedophile army leader in the first go instead of letting him have is shameless life for many times.
again you should read real history text books not madrasa versions.
"You are too dense to understand. I don\'t hate Muslims. "
Temper, temper . . . . when words say otherwise.
For example calling me a "troll", liar . . . . and etc. It is form of hate.
Calling all Muslims names . .. . that is HATE.
That is your motivation.
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" I hate Islam."
I have pointed this out repeatedly – all over these comments sections.
General statements – do NOT counter this.
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Hence – Sina did NOT mention anything over this:
"As you see them guilty – and have had no problem supporting their killing. For example USA use of drones – that tend to kill more innocent than alleged guility. "
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he could have done.
He did not.
Staying silent here is NOT an option.
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Especially as you have said in the past . . . .
"All Muslims are guilty"
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Also
" Muslims are the most stupid people in the world."
Hate.
"But again you are a Muslim and as such your brain power is limited."
Hate.
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See there are Christians – kindly souls – who too would claim this . . . .that they want to save Muslims.
I wouldn't term them as hate monger – per se.
As they will not make statements as yours . . .
Nor support them .
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You are a hate monger – by YOUR words.
Such deception do not work.
Hence i repeatedly point them out.
Will continue doing so.
Nice reply, thanks A.
Polite requests for examples and evidence, nice.
I like to point out that examples and evidence would help. To convince. To compare some statements, opinions, claims with contradicting ones of opponents. To let people think and discuss, research.
But lack of examples, evidence cannot be taken as proof of falsehood, let alone lying, let alone dishonesty.
Imperfection in intelligence and knowledge I gladly admit to, but not to dishonesty.
And my statements, opinions, claims can be untrue, but they can also be true. And for a person with the intention to find the highest truth (s)he can find it is certainly possible to check both our opinions/ claims for him/ herself.
The only way Julia can post is to change his IP address. I did not ban his user name. I banned his IP.
“Even Sina ran off when I challenged him over logic.”
Who said Muslims don’t have a sense of humor? They can be really funny when they want to.
\”Your hate and violence towards Muslims.\”
You are too dense to understand. I don\’t hate Muslims. I am working to save them from their demonic faith. I hate Islam. Islam is an evil ideology like Nazism and all decent people must hate it.
Ha ha . . .another of Sina's pathetic spiel.
Again lacking in evidence.
"Yes, but it can also be NOT A LIE. There's always the benefit of the doubt. "
As pointed out – there ISN@T any benefit of doubt.
Doh!
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"And you seem so eager to disqualify Ali Sina and opponents in any way that you can that readers should be very careful with your conclusions/ accusations, for they might also well be unjust (though common). "
Sure sure . . . but sonny . . . .
Examples of this . . . examples.
Then you can conclusively prove against me . . . . what you so obvious are implying.
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Send me down! Evidence.
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I am THAT helpful – I make it easy for you!
Your above sentence clearly denote why Hindus were slaves for centuries. Muslim emperors in India even fought amongst themselves for empire and even fought with british to some extent but…………you got only your master changed ! lol
"Opinions can be wrong or right but you can say someone is lying for expressing an erroneous opinion."
Why thank you for agreeing. i am glad to set you straight.
Once again.
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"Muslims are often wrong but they also lie frequently to defend their belief and save Muhammad from being found a liar. They give false testimonies to avoid Muhammad\'s deception come to light. As long as you believe in Muhammad\'s yarn you are in error. The moment those errors are clarified and you can see he was wrong and still defend him you become a liar. "
More meaningless spiel . . . it doesn't work.
No examples given . . . this was a FINE CHANCE . . .
but hey . . . . . we all know why – you leave comments of generalities.
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"Because it is easy to see his deception. I caught him with his pants down to his ankles. If you did not notice, read again my reply to him. "
Actually not good enough . . . . so not good enough. . . .
You say:
"Because it is easy to see his deception. I caught him with his pants down to his ankles. "
No dear it isn't – it really really isn't.
Else you had ample opportunity to re-express it.
Claiming this again . . . makes me think you are hiding something.
You were able to re-iterate your claim . . . . what stopped you from going further?
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" But if someone insists that Allah is God he surely must be either a Muslim or belong to a religion that is an offshoot of Islam. The whole story become more absurd when this person claims to be an atheist."
Yet you failed to address – why Christians too use the word . . . Allah.
As to other – no related religions. As the word simply means "God"
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"But he, like other Muslims believes that Allah is a proper name. In that case it the Mon God, an Arab deity, and not the god of other religions. "
Actually repeatedly this tired old shambles is NOT an error – and deliberate lie.
Allah – does NOT equal moon god.
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"But he, like other Muslims believes that Allah is a proper name. "
Moot point.
You will mention it . . . . but proof?
Ah . . . .
"Ali, Amin and Rainbow are troll but they are not the ones we care about."
i am asking about myself . . . how? And why?
See this is deliberate lie.
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What makes it worse is . . . . it is in an answer to a troll.
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See – as I point out – Sina's motivation is HATE.
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he has lost repeatedly to me . . . . hence he is reduced to personally insulting me!
And this isn't the 1st time.
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"We want them to see the truth. "
What truth?
You are REPEATEDLY show to be short of it.
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"Our goal is to help other Muslims to see this and understand Islam is a lie and a deception. These people help us in our goal.
"
Sure – by exposing you many deceptions and lies . . .
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This " denialisnoproof " character – has openly called for violence and posted up swears and abuse!
And . . . that is your truth!
Look and read this comment carefully.
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"But that is exactly what we want people to see. Don\'t abuse them, instead give them ropes so they can hang themselves with it. "
Ha ha . . . like you many bizarre views and claims . . . .
and when they get exposed . . . . what do you do!
Yes!
Personal insults, lies and what not . . . .
I mean – you could not even adequately defend your supposed Maulana Ajmal debates. . . .
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A bit "humiliating" isn't it.
Denial do you know your gods and nude dancers prostitute entertaining your gods ?
Nikah is legal, mutah and misyar are practiced by some sects ( to avoid fornication , illegal night stands , prostitution etc in situations ) and some sects don't recognize them either. Messing up everything with spirit of Islam is only hate in you that want to see things like that ! If you got hatred vision that really I don't care! Its up to you to burn your potato on charcoal !
Its simple to justify thing if we don't restrict prostitution of freedom. If you want freedom to abuse my belief , evoke my emotions , the same freedom I get to spank your potato . Right ?
One of your qualities is that you (can) ask good questions, Aminriadh.
Ahum, "the" motivation is not hate, but …….
- there are in my opinion many good alternatives available to parts of Islam. in respect to finding the highest truths people can find. And in regard to people living their personal life, and in regard to organising society.
- I am enchanted by Ali Sina's vision for the future of mankind in desiring that mankind will progress and adopt much more than now these better alternatives to parts of Islam.
- So naturally I want to support those better alternatives and therefore to expose parts of Islam, as those parts are competing with and blockading the better alternatives.
And are you different? You have been coned by Muhammad and you can\’t accept it even when we have made that clear to you like the sunlight.
I am glad of being somewhat successful then!
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Notice:
Sina could not protect his little "dishonesty" . . . . ah – question too difficult to answer!
You wrote:
"See how you attempt to get out of this . . . actually it can be a lie – i.e. deliberate lie."
Yes, but it can also be NOT A LIE. There's always the benefit of the doubt.
And I looked at your link, and right after:
"Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and thus can be considered a kind of lie.[1]"
the following:
"Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches. Samuel Johnson made this point when he wrote about the misuse of the charge of "hypocrisy" in Rambler No. 14:
Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself.[2]"
This description of hypocrisy thus also gives an example of an unjust accusation of hypocrisy.
And you seem so eager to disqualify Ali Sina and opponents in any way that you can that readers should be very careful with your conclusions/ accusations, for they might also well be unjust (though common).
\”Are you saying that opinion cannot be lies!\”
Opinions can be wrong or right but you can say someone is lying for expressing an erroneous opinion. One lies when he dissimulates the truth. If a person believes the Earth is flat, he is not a liar. He is wrong. But if he know that the Earth is round and still claims that it is flat then he becomes a liar. In that case he is expressing a view that he does not believe. Muslims are often wrong but they also lie frequently to defend their belief and save Muhammad from being found a liar. They give false testimonies to avoid Muhammad\’s deception come to light. As long as you believe in Muhammad\’s yarn you are in error. The moment those errors are clarified and you can see he was wrong and still defend him you become a liar.
\” how do you know it is a lie! \”
Because it is easy to see his deception. I caught him with his pants down to his ankles. If you did not notice, read again my reply to him.
\”This is in one respect saying – anyone who is against you and your views . . . . Is automatically a Muslims!\”
No! anyone who is against me is not automatically a Muslim. But if someone insists that Allah is God he surely must be either a Muslim or belong to a religion that is an offshoot of Islam. The whole story become more absurd when this person claims to be an atheist. By definition he does not believe in God but he gets excited when claiming God and Allah are the same. If he had pointed out that Allah is a generic name, then I would have agreed with him. But he, like other Muslims believes that Allah is a proper name. In that case it the Mon God, an Arab deity, and not the god of other religions.
hey amin ,
give me a verse from quran which says that earth is rotating and revolving around sun
\”Needless to say . . . I won\’t be giving a penny.\”
You break my heart. I was counting on you.
Ali, Amin and Rainbow are troll but they are not the ones we care about. I am not interested in them and I know them well to not care about them. However, the comments in this forum are read by many others who do not participate in the discussions. We want them to see the truth. When Ali says it is more honorable of his prophet to raid villages in the middle of the night, killing the men and stealing their properties and enslaving and raping their women and children than me having a Paypal donation button you know you are dealing with a troll, a man who has lost ever sherd of humanity and decency, and has been transformed into a brain-dead zombie. But that is exactly what we want people to see. Don\’t abuse them, instead give them ropes so they can hang themselves with it. Our objective is not to make these guys see the truth. I can give you my word that they will never because their soul is demonic. These people are spiritually dead. Our goal is to help other Muslims to see this and understand Islam is a lie and a deception. These people help us in our goal.
In my humble Islamic logic:
" raiding people in the middle of the night when they are sleeping, massacring them and looting their property is more honorable"
This wouldn't be honourable at all.
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"than having a Paypal button in your site for those who wish to contribute to your cause?"
Neither is this dishonourable in general terms.
But in you case here are the reasons:
1. What are you asking money for? Why should your cause be propping you up.
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2. You are a sell out . . . . hence you have decided to align yourself with Right Wing Christianity.
You come out with ridiculous things. . . . Obama's birth certificate – for example.
Then they alleged things you accuse Islam of – you tend to over look in Christianity.
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You have seen Hirisi Ali – doing quite well. . . . so maybe – you got the idea from there.
Islam is growing ? how can an ideology grow?
you can add more beliefs to an ideology and make an entirely different ideology.
islam never grows , it is stagnant like filth in septic tank.
you would be right if you say that number of muslims is growing , but this is just an illusion. As most of the converts live within 4 years. Also there are anti apostasy laws in muslim countries and there is no freedom of propagation of religion in muslim countries.
above all islam has engineered the institution of marriage such that muslim woman is forbidden from marrying a nonmuslim . muslim women is just like a field where farmer ploughs at his will . they can't choose any contraceptives , this has resulted in an illusion of growth in number of muslims . this won't stay the same in this age of information
Demsci – ends to suck up to anyone he perceives as "anti-Islam".
If the motivation isn't "hate" – what is it?
@Loki.
You really must stop clutching at straws. As they say, the proof is in the pudding.
No matter what reasons you give including the hypothetical ones, Islam is growing and always has done. What makes your wishful thinking any different to the wishful thinking of people like you, different from years ago and from different eras?
What have hater raters like and you and your cohorts got that nobody else has?
Islam is here to stay and will continue to grow.
Get over it.
do you know the meaning of scam?
your muhammad promised virgin girls in heaven for the fools who fight for him.
that is called scam.
but sina is honest in his work , he wants money for keeping these sites running and he is asking money for it. he is not promising us virgins in return.
Ok , you are the boss of this site i will stick to your rules.
prostitution of freedom is not good. just like prostitution by allah.
prostitution by islamic nika , mutah and misriyar are just as bad.
just by adding prostitution with freedom doesn't make us hate freedom.
this is the same old technique used by idiotic creationist.
who equate evolutionary theory with nazism just make people hate evolutionary theory.
Dear Ali sina it doesn't matter with muslims.
For them questioning islam itself is an insult . this nameless idiot , ali and amin are just trolls .
islam is a joke . A cruel joke.
My above comment is against all Islam defenders on this site
The book! Or is that . . . . "shambles"
I mean it is so full of errors it is a scam.
Hence no one buys it.
"muhammad booty raids… or muhammad wealth wars… or muhammad mass murderer… and they are finding exactly what they need to find…"
And if they check that Versus – what Islam actually says . .. then laugh their heads off – at the stupidity and lies.
As I have already pointed out several of your clear basic errors.
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"and go try to disprove my accusations… and in the process… they will learn all they need to know about muhammad… "
Oh but – dearest . . . . I am countering your claims.
Rather effectively.
Then there are others – who put their own perspective!
"I didn't say I have difficulty keeping these sites up. "
No – you don't have to . . . when they are knocked out – it is kind of obvious . . . .
And I didn't imply it is something you said either.
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"But it would be nice that others also share the cost so the burden is not on one person alone. "
Needless to say . . . I won't be giving a penny.
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" I believe in what I do and I think this is the best investment of my life. The return is not in money but in helping millions of people break their chain of slavery to a psychopath. "
No it isn't – as millions don't view or know you. Even Ibn Warraq has a better profile. See what I mean – suffering delusions!
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And once again you were unable to answer . . .
If as you claim:
" I will keep doing it because I believe in what I do and I think this is the best investment of my life."
Then where is that $50K?
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See – how "intelligent" this person is . . . .
Who is going to defend this BS!
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One thing is repeatedly obvious.
When ever – er . . . I "humiliate" your reasoning.
How little defense – you seem to attract.
Galling!
"Their hatred has nothing to do with what the Jews DO but with who they ARE. Muslims hate the Jews because it is for them a religious requirement, because it is prescribed in the Quran."
No it isn't.
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"Furthermore, the Jews are not intending to kill the Arabs. 20% of the voting people in Israel are Arabs."
Then why kill so many? A ridiculous thing to bring up.
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"On the other hand if a Jew enters Gaza by mistake, Muslims will butcher him in no time."
Proof? Evidence?
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" So this claim of your is not an error but a lie – a typical Islamic lie."
Yet by your own earlier definition – this is NOT a lie!
See – how bizarre – childish and pathetic your reasoning is!
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However – even in conventional saying:
“You lied when you said that only Arabs hate the Jews while
the Jews are good and harm no one, and a reader proved
to you that Jews also hate the Arabs and they are intending
to kill more of them and confiscate their lands “
As you did not counter the alleged evidence . . . so how can you call this a lie!
Also – what you say – and what he has said are 2 different things. . .
you made some claims – unproven claims – with NO evidence . . . that do not counter the generality of the above at all.
Hence falsely claiming this too be lie is deceptive – and in itself a lie.
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"So you were not able to prove me a liar, but I proved you are. "
No you did not.
"I know where you come from. This is how Muhammad and his companions thought and reasoned. When you read the Sira you find in many cases they accuse their opponents of lying when in reality the person is simply stating an opinion or pledging an action. "
Ouch!
Are you saying that opinion cannot be lies!
Surely not.
Which logic is this?
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"Your flawed reasoning and your brain is 100% Islamic. Therefore your claim to be an atheist is a lie. "
HA HA HA HA HA AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. . .
Oh but – you would need proof wouldn't you. . . ho do you know it is a lie!
This is in one respect saying – anyone who is against you and your views . . . .
Is automatically a Muslims!
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"Yes, it is mentioned also in the Bible. But this is a red herring. I said the Quran implies that the Earth is flat? This is a fact. If I did not say the Bible says the same, how can my statement about the Quran be a lie? "
Quran does no such thing.
On these comments sections . . .
I have repeatedly proven otherwise.
Quran DOES NOT imply a flat earth.
Again – I am willing to go through this.
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"Again, assuming you are right, this cannot be categorized as a lie but as an error. People hold many erroneous beliefs. This does not make them liars. "
See how you attempt to get out of this . . . actually it can be a lie – i.e. deliberate lie.
Holding that:
“You lied when you said that Islam is the only evil religion,
and I proved it to you that the bible is evil too “
Is NOT a mere belief . . . as it is question of evidence, proof.
Also – it highlights you hypocrisy. . .
Which too is form of lying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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"So you were not able to prove me a liar, but I proved you are. "
No you didn't.
Oh . . . and I HAVE proven you a liar.
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Your accusations tend to be meaningless . . . . as you trot them out very quickly and untruthfully.
For example over musayoon.
When I pointed out . . . . you mistakes.
Rather than countering – you accused me of lying.
I am still waiting what is it that I lied over.
Hence – falsely accusing me . . . . is a lie!
I will say it clearly –
You are a Liar.
Sina once more descend into hate and illogical reasoning.
"First of all how can a self-proclaimed atheist say that Allah and God are the same when an atheist by definition does not believe in any god? "
I have repeatedly shown your pitiful command of logic.
I will sate this clearly . . . . I will go up against you over this subject.
I will also say this . . . . you have NOT studied even the basics of this science.
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"First of all how can a self-proclaimed atheist say that Allah and God are the same when an atheist by definition does not believe in any god? "
One doesn't have to believe in the subject to be able to discuss it – same as you. it is matter of perspective and angle.
For example the etymology of the word and the explanation of it is
combination of Al- and Ilah.
Which simply means God.
Also –
Other religions besides Islam – use the same word to mean God.
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In light of what I have said . . . . one can say this and be an atheist.
The two are not necessarily inharmonious.
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So what happened to you logic!
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"Secondly, assuming you are correct, my claim about God and Allah being two different fictitious entities cannot be considered a lie. A lie is telling something that one knows it is not true. In this case I could be wrong but since it is impossible to know that God exists or not, what I say cannot be defined as a lie but as an error. "
This is delicate . . . so read and think – rather than your rash judgements – which often leave you "HUMILIATED". . .
In these comments section.
For your statement to be lie – it NOT dependent of whether God exists or not.
If that was the case – you claiming that God and Allah are 2 different things would be ridiculous statement to make.
Your lies can be . . . . relating to the conclusion – i.e.e in your reasoning.
Which you could deliberately manipulate – to create a false conclusion.
And that is the very meaning of lie.
Also –
look up the word lie:
lie
1 [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement.
4.
the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie?s=t
Notice number 3!
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CONT
Nobody likes admitting they have been conned Loki. And you are no different.
continuation…look at the temple demolition in Karachi with active help of administration and bulldozing of houses belonging to Hindus ,this is wt ur conversion all about ,u r cowards u cannot convince the superiority of u r religion, every Hindu is profoundly intelligent and aware of his religion as well ur idiot religion and ur thug prophet it is pity that you don't know ur religion as well ur ugly and mentally retarded prophet,,don't live in delusion ,your cult will be wiped out from inside itself by your own people! shia kills sunnies and its reciprocation.
I doubt that very much Joe.
Search one of my previous posts and you will see some figures. However, if that is too much of a task, let me give you some examples.
With recent documents uncovered for the Maoist and Stalinist regimes, it now seems the high end of estimates of 250 million dead (between 1900-1987) are closer to the mark. The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao's Cultural Revolution produced 70 million. This is just this century alone and is the doctrine Ali Sina subscribes to. This number does not include the countless dead in their wars of outward aggression waged in the name of the purity of atheism's world view.
Hitler, whether you argue he is Christian or Atheist, led to more than 6 million Jews and 5 million non Jews murdered in his quest for Fuhrer worship and absolute power.
Rwanda Genocide
Deaths: 500,000-1 million
Colonising of the Americas
Deaths: Anywhere between 8.4 million and 100 million people (due to lack of records)
Crusades
Deaths – 1 million
Witchcraft burnings
Deaths 40-100,000
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Mr Sina hate can be tolerated but vein-gene cannot be, because vein gene far severe than hate ,Mohammed did not restricted to hate against the Jews but transformed it into vein-gene,because they new he is wolf in the garb of lamb, at his death bad also he kept the vein gene and transferred the same to his followers and we see it here on this day ( Hamas is good example)
don't be pride about conversion to damn Islam or Christianity of Hindus ,think how to survive on this planet earth which day by day becoming poisonous to live ,only science can shore us and u r Qur'an and Bible did not know science but Vedas did so don't go after u r ugly cult it will not take any were we human's.
"A life filled with superstition, hate, ignorance, violence and slavery cannot be called life. "
Hence why I point this out to you. . . .
Your hate and violence towards Muslims.
As you see them guilty – and have had no problem supporting their killing. For example USA use of drones – that tend to kill more innocent than alleged guility.
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Your ignorance – of History, Logic, Science, Religions and etc.
Rather than spewing hate . . . . why not go and learn.
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As for superstitions . . . . . well we'll talk about Obama's birth certificate shall we?
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As per usual short on any evidence or references – big on meaningless spiel.
Ha ha ha . . . . it is rather mischievous isn't it.
Neither you nor J_Stillwater . . . . has a clue what "logic" is . . . .
Ha ha ha ha
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Such claims make me laugh.
Even Sina ran off when I challenged him over logic.
As pointed out – you were incorrect – which renders this meaningless.
You made the whole thing up.
Ah . . . . see how quickly your story has changed!
"@aminriadh… muhammad's adopted son "
If you are SO truthful . .. . why is it that my challenge has elicited this change?
Why did you NOT start of accurately?
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"she was home alone one day… muhammad went there… saw her… flirted with her (DING!! DING!! DING!!! DING!!)… naughty prophet!!! "
In a serious debate – such use of words is illogical and fallacious.
But you are NOT big on logic are you.
Also – you are not big on referencing and evidencing your claims.
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"It doesn't matter if she is his daughter in law or not… she was another man's wife… and muhammad took her away from him… what a beast. "
You are factually incorrect as well – see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Jahsh
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See – wrong in every respect.
Might I suggest a period of actual learning rather than spouting nonsense – which is clearly motivated by "hate".
Your views are NOT borne out of learning, rationality, thoughtful consideration and etc.
Else you wouldn't be making such mistakes.
What I have suggested is restriction to prostitution of freedom but banning them completely is restricting freedom.
Check graphology I noticed Julia posted one comment with another nick. lol
You are entitled to your opinion.
A random person can say the same on Einstein or Neils Bohr.It brings nothing but chuckles.
Can you establish one of your accusations?If not,do you have the balls to say that you reacted on emotion?
But Stillwater never pretended being something he was not, did he? Or do you mean that he pretended to be Anti-Islam but that he really is anti-Muslim?
Same Govt. did not allowed Mr Salman Rushdie some time ago in Jaipur. All for votes and no regard for the religion. In past appeases vote bank, same done again. Anyway due to the acts of Dr Naik, QTV also got banned. That is the problem.
Why was my post deleted? I dont see any 'this comment has been deleted' message either though I am sure the post appeared after I hit 'submit'! Is there a word limit here? There is another John in here. Is that why?
Hindus are mostly fearing conversions by both Christians and Muslims ! Banning channels will have little impact as digital media can be found online ! What about social networking sites ?
Similar to how your anti Muslim colours come out when you speak J_Stillwater. Where do you have the problem with all this?
Does rainbow has anything common with Sheila Musaji ?
I m happy that only veg stuff is used else vegetarians and Halal eaters might have some issues. Just kidding.
“You lied when you said Allah and God are two different deities,
and I proved it to all that they are one deity…… “
Like a true Muslim you have no understanding of logic.
First of all how can a self-proclaimed atheist say that Allah and God are the same when an atheist by definition does not believe in any god?
Secondly, assuming you are correct, my claim about God and Allah being two different fictitious entities cannot be considered a lie. A lie is telling something that one knows it is not true. In this case I could be wrong but since it is impossible to know that God exists or not, what I say cannot be defined as a lie but as an error.
I know where you come from. This is how Muhammad and his companions thought and reasoned. When you read the Sira you find in many cases they accuse their opponents of lying when in reality the person is simply stating an opinion or pledging an action.
Your flawed reasoning and your brain is 100% Islamic. Therefore your claim to be an atheist is a lie.
“you lied, or said half the truth, when you said the quran
mentioned that the earth is flat, while this is mentioned in
the bible as well (I can prove that too)”
Yes, it is mentioned also in the Bible. But this is a red herring. I said the Quran implies that the Earth is flat? This is a fact. If I did not say the Bible says the same, how can my statement about the Quran be a lie?
This is again another example of your twisted Islamic logic. If I tell you today is Saturday but don’t tell you it is December, does it mean I am a liar or speaking half-truth? Only a Muslim can be so absurd in his reasoning.
“You lied when you said that Islam is the only evil religion,
and I proved it to you that the bible is evil too “
Again, assuming you are right, this cannot be categorized as a lie but as an error. People hold many erroneous beliefs. This does not make them liars.
However, no religion is as evil as Islam. Does any religion say slay the unbelievers wherever you find them? No religion instructs its followers to commit mass murder, raid and rape. Islam does. All religion, in my opinion, are manmade, but Islam is the invention of a psychopath and is evil.
“You lied when you said that only Arabs hate the Jews while
the Jews are good and harm no one, and a reader proved
to you that Jews also hate the Arabs and they are intending
to kill more of them and confiscate their lands “
With the way the Muslims behave, all sane people of the world are forgivable if they hate them. However, this is different from the hatred that Muslims have for the Jews. Their hatred has nothing to do with what the Jews DO but with who they ARE. Muslims hate the Jews because it is for them a religious requirement, because it is prescribed in the Quran. No other religious book prescribes the hatred of a group of people. As far as Muslims are concerned all the Jews must be killed, before their promised Messiah or Mahdi can come. There are many hadiths that state that.
Furthermore, the Jews are not intending to kill the Arabs. 20% of the voting people in Israel are Arabs. They are living there freely while plotting against the country. On the other hand if a Jew enters Gaza by mistake, Muslims will butcher him in no time. So this claim of your is not an error but a lie – a typical Islamic lie. It is a projection of your own sins on others. Every evil you attribute to others is projection of your own demonic souls.
So you were not able to prove me a liar, but I proved you are.
Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are worthy of all admiration and respect…..they
achieved their success by honesty and integrity, never bias, study and examin
thing from all their angles.
Richard Dawkins did not deny a creator of the universe,
but he cannot confirm it either, he said our researches haven't yet solved this
mystery, but we are working on it. He said this in his interview with that bigot,
a–hole O'Rielly who then told him in the most stupid fashion: Until you find
out, I will stick to my Judo-Christian faith.
Very well said J.Stillwater,
Here you present some kind of positive motivation of someone like Ali Sina and many of his allies and visiting posters. I like to take such motivation as a starting point. I mean that it is important for me that we are primarily FOR something, for mankinds future in the long run, and only because of that being AGAINST Islam, which in diverse ways is blockading what we are for.
Now I like to call Ali Sina, you, me, posters SOMETHING, I don't care what, but I settle for now for Counterjihadists. And on this website, "territory" of counterjihadists, also write "Islam-apologists", like Aminriadh (in short A).
I think it is a mistake to underestimate opponents and I freely admit that I see him as a very good debater and myself only as average.
And I see you and Babs and Loki and Joe and others as godsends and it is enjoyable to see your able interactions with A.
I want to say something about A's "patterns". – At times he does offer very good evidence and reason for positive statements, claims, opinions he expresses.
- And he almost always gives the references between ""… """ of what he intends to respond to. Very correctly.
- And he asks questions, for related proof mostly. Good.
- But most of the time he is NEGATIVE and very judgemental in his responses, isn't he?! When HE judges opinions, claims or statements not or not enough, well enough to his satisfaction backed up by proof and reason, he responds with judgements/ conclusions as:
- Meaningless, nonsens, false, lies, irrelevant. He voices so many denials and dismissals, and he does so repeatedly, even to the same person about the same issues, sometimes many times.
- ostensibly his judgements are about the comments, but the border between judgements of comment and commenters seem to be blurred in his responses, and so a commenter often get's smeared by him with many varieties of being dishonest and stupid.
- rather than take pride in debating well with a respected opponent, it seems A much more tends to take opponents down to a lower level of integrity and intelligence than is warranted. And this in my opinion is very disrespectfull to the whole of mankind, because those opponents he belittles and vilifies at times, may very well be rather average examples of the level of integrity and intelligence that mankind presently has.
- I keep thinking about what are the best responses to him when given the opportunity to debate with him.
- And I wanted to ask you what you and others think about A's manner of debating and how best to respond to it.
In this corrupted time, very few politicians fullfill their promises, and
President Obama fullfilled all his promises. This proved that he
is an honest person, and not a liar.
You lied when you said Allah and God are two different deities,
and I proved it to all that they are one deity……
you lied, or said half the truth, when you said the quran
mentioned that the earth is flat, while this is mentioned in
the bible as well (I can prove that too)
You lied when you said that Islam is the only evil religion,
and I proved it to you that the bible is evil too
You lied when you said that only Arabs hate the Jews while
the Jews are good and harm no one, and a reader proved
to you that Jews also hate the Arabs and they are intending
to kill more of them and confiscate their lands
Those are the one I remember….tomorrow I will submit more.
Every time someone submit a proof that you are lying,
you ignore him/her.
I agree with most of what you say here. But I remember reading that Hitler's party only got # 31 % of the votes in the election of 1933, and that that made his party the biggest one and gave him the opportunity to form a government. A few months later he misused the fire in the Reichstag to seize total power and he never held elections again.
I say this because sometimes Muslims use the argument about Hitler winning the elections against the Democratic system itself, which I still prefer above all other political systems.
But that was NOT practiced in the cases of China, North Korea and Cuba. Nor really in Iran, where the ayatollahs at their totalitarian whims select the candidates
people can vote on, and that is NOT democratic.
Anyway, the Democratic system has more pillars to stand on than just elections, like freedom of speech, high autonomy for the individual, the constitutional state, separation between church and state.
And also it depends heavily on the level of education and development of the majority of a country. In the doha-conferences on democracy a few years back there was made a distinction between people who are like "sheep" who need and want to be led, if not consciously, then subconsciously, and like "goats", much more independent, democratic people.
And I must say that I very much consider Europeans and Americans more like those "goat" people than like those "sheep"-people.
It depends how soon I can raise the money. I am going to contact a few people, but first I would like to make the sites work properly so when they visit the site they see something worthwhile. If they see my sites now, they will not even bother to reply. One is not working at all and the other does not show the pictures.
"One can be of high morals without a religion."
Now, THAT I believe too. I just finished reading Sam Harris' book: "The moral landscape" which just works out very well that "theme"; being on high moral ground while being an atheist/ darwinist.
Yes the majority of Iranians also loved Khomeini. The majority of the Germans voted for Hitler. The majority of the Chinese loved Mao. The majority of the Cubans supported Castro. The majority of North Koreans adore their Dear Leader. But these monsters were and are evil. The majority can be deceived. The majority does not know that Obama is a fraud and an enemy of America bent to destroy this country. The majority is often wrong because the majority is ignorant.
I did not ask you to argue with me. I asked you to show one example of my lies.
Well I banned Julia. But you have a good and fun idea. I will give it a try.
Any idea of a timeline? I can hardly wait!
For you brother Ali, I am not against QTV
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hate-channels-…
Why should you stick you nose in this matter? you are not an American citizen,
you are merely a vagabond who is living in Canada.
Are you suggesting that the whole American system failed to know that Obama
was not born in the U.S.?
The majority of the American people love Obama, and that is why he was
elected to be the President of the United States for the second term.
I am not going to argue with you further, because as I said, arguing
with a liar will take me nowhere. I am just wondering: how can you
tolerate yourself and live with it ?
Thank you,
We will bypass governments and theaters. The movie will be sold online and no one can stop it, just as no one can stop books sold online. This is a great story. It is shocking, funny, informative and entertaining. It makes you cry and makes you laugh and it treats all its characters as well as its audience with respect. I wrote a movie for adults. Forget about the stupid movie made by that moron Bakoulai. This is going to be an epic movie. Let Gone with the Wind go with the wind. This movie is going to stay.
JR is definitely not a stalwart.Hypocrite,liar,coward and fraud best describes JR.
I'm quite sure that some 'democratic' Governments will put a ban on it and will again expose the Islamic ideology's bankruptcy of being offended by any criticism.
Your bravery must be applauded in the face of Islamic lunacy.I don't believe in any God so I can't pray for your strength.All the best for your movie.If my Government has the balls to show it,I'll be there first day first show with all my muslim/non-muslim friends.
All the best Sir!
Ex-muslims are the growing group who provide strength to the muslims oppressed by Islam for decades and can't speak out because of those draconian apostasy laws.They can think "If X or Y can be brave enough to do it,why not me?".
Hence the stress on the word 'ex-muslim'.
Secondly, ex-muslims are the strongest and most effective critics of Islam because they've seen its problems closely and their accounts are much more believable to an average muslim than those of a non-muslim.
"And your point is?"
The paragraphs below the link?
"Nothing to do with the growth or fall of Islam"
It shows that new-age muslims are calling the bluff of Islam, like Christians,Jews or Hindus did to their faiths,long back.
It has everything to do with it
" The problem with you atheists.."
Classic case of finding the root of one's own problems in others.
"you guys have been drumming this beat since the coming of Islam"
On the contrary,I pretty much doubt if any rationalist questioning Islam in the time of Muhammad was allowed to keep his/her head where it actually belonged.If you can be jailed and sentenced for life for a Facebook post in the 21st Century,it's not hard to imagine what happened in 7th Century Arabia.
"Muslim growth rate at about twice that of the non-Muslim population"
).Then you'll reach exactly my point – "The only thing that's delaying the demise of Islam is the abnormally high birth rate".
You can replace 'growth rate' with 'birth rate' and you'll get the right picture(according to the same PEW reports
The problem with those numbers is that they don't include the millions among muslims who are afraid to speak their minds,or those who don't give a damn for Islam.
Relegating women to baby-making machines in order to boost numbers can not be the success of a faith.Nor can be indoctrinating innocent children into this scam and threatening them for their lives if they were to leave Islam.
The reason I say Islam is on its way to extinction is because I believe in humanity.I believe that there are more good people in this world than bad and they can't be suppressed forever – not by Fascism, not by Nazism, not by Racism, not by Dictatorial Communism, not by Imperialism, not by Christian Conservatism, not by Feudalism, not by Hindu Caste-ism, and definitely not by Islamism.
I don't even know him
Well yes friend in the sense of Universal Brotherhood or a similar Utopian idea. But then so are you 
But that is not evidence at all! It doesn't prove Sina's intentions any more than your 'shooting in the dark'.
Ask your programmer to replace abusive words with rose, potato, tomato etc. It will be fun to read hate mongers who abuse. Just don't threat to ban them coz you are not capable to do so technically !
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, please don't be affected by such nonsensical assaults. Those blind hopelessly religious fools desperately need your help to get out of the Islamic sinkhole. Those who assault you ought to be ashamed of themselves for their immaturity. It's just a matter of time for them to grow up. Thanks for your selfless contributions and sacrifices for the betterment of humanity. The world needs a hero like you.
Thanks Ms Dr Ali Sina, Mr Webmaster and all those wonderful contributors who made FFI the most fabulous site ever found in this world. Long live FFI! <3
Thanks to your assaults on me. today I received three donations of $200, $10, and $15. This is just one dollar short of the cost of the old server that I was forced to rend again to recover the data. If you continue with you rant, I may even get enough to recover all the costs of this month. So please carry on.
\”Most humans would want to see something coming towards them.\”
So in your opinion raiding people in the middle of the night when they are sleeping, massacring them and looting their property is more honorable than having a Paypal button in your site for those who wish to contribute to your cause? I sometimes have difficulty understanding your Islamic logic. Please enlighten us more.
There are many "ex-Muslims" who returned to Islam. Faith is a result of personal
experiences for adults. People inherit their faith, usually they don't change it or
leave it. Of course, some people leave their original religion, and there are many
reasons that make them do so……for example: when they encounter a sever, abusive
situation related to their religion, or some of them decide to search and think
independently……..the unexperienced youth, leave because they want to try all
the forbidden things, alcohol, sex..etc..then when they are hurt, they get back to it.
These are just few reasons.
The more mature and experienced the person is, the more solid his beliefs are.
I, personally, chose to be without a religion because I studied and experienced and
realized that religions are against reason and logic…..if religions contain morality,
this does not mean that the other things are right, specially laws and legislations.
One can be of high morals without a religion.
@no name… the reason I think the name "ex-muslim" is important is because it shows that this person "abandoned" a belief system they once held. This is important, because, as someone who has once been involved in a system of belief, they would be expected to have some knowledge of it… their knowledge of the religion they "left," makes them uniquely qualified to speak on the religion and warn others away from it if necessary. The term "unbeliever" would be the general group of people who don't believe islam is true… but… "ex-muslim" is the group of people who can give the best arguments for why it's not true, because they themselves have had to work through the arguments and reach that conclusion… and also…. they would be the most motivated to warn other people about the inconsistencies in that religion… you may find it hard to believe from your perspective, but there are people in the world who indeed see muhammad as a VERY evil man, who just happened to fool people long enough for that charade to grow into a full-blown cult of personality… with deadly consequences…
J Stillwater
“You said half the truth, and you inserted many, many lies.”
All liars sometimes speak the truth, and that includes Muhammad and Hitler. But they were still liars. So if I say lies I must be a liar. Why don’t you highlight them and prove to the world that what I say are lies? If you can’t prove then you are just insulting. Which is okay because it shows you have nothing of value to say.
“Third: there is no reason for me to hide it if I am a Muslim.”
Yes there is. By playing this taqiyyah you think people will think you are unbiased. Your bias shows in every post you write. Only a fool would believe your deception.
“you are calling me a Muslim in disguise just because I am defending the truth when I see it.”
You have not said anything yet to prove or disprove anything. You have so far contented yourself with making ad-hominem attacks.
“Why don’t you say anything wrong about the prophet of your beloved Jews, although I proved to you that their book is full of killing and violence and atrocities?”
So what? Go and tell that to Jews. Fortunately Jews are smart enough to take all those nasty verses of their scriptures with a grain of salt. For example we know that they did not practice stoning at least since Jesus. Muslims are the only brain dead zombies who practice the violent teachings of the Quran to the letter.
\”Ali the jackass\”
His name is Ali. You can also call him Ali Sinner because that is the name he chose for himself in setting his email. But please do not call him jackass. Do not insult members with whom you disagree. This will make the retaliate and insult you then no body can hear the discussion.
Well I also thought that but it is not yet working properly. It needs some fixing. Wayne and Manfred are doing what they can but we need a good programmer to fix all the problems that affect FFI site. There years of accumulated coding problems.
And what are the examples of that scam?
Mohammad was a looter, but you are a scammer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-p6Kt2ciQ
Perhaps you can tell me now, genuis, in what way the
bible is better than the quran?
faithfreedom.org is back
@Rainbow,
ha ha ha .. of course $50,000 is impossible to win for you.. how can you deny the truth? the quran and hadith say that mohammad – killed, tortured, raped, looted started wars, lied .. that is your prophet of God? wow..
@@Rainbow,
how pathetic.. can not even admit you are a muslim.. pathetic hypocrite…
are you not ashamed?
Ali the jackass . Islam has been considered as infallible only due to fear . Islam has always been bullcrap.
for eg it talks about the orbit of sun and moon but never it talks about rotation of earth.
search 'Islam slave africa' and there are an estimated 110 million africans that have died as slaves.. african males often fully castrated like animals..
so there must be another 100 million of other africans killed in the raids to capture the women and children..
then there are 30 to 40 million hindu slaves that have been captured..
another 10 million europians and as Ali sina has pointed out there are all the muslims that have died that do not even count..
Cool Here is the Thread where you ran away ! Once you improve from there we will proceed about this word munching question.
@Muslim men here… in light of what I posted in my last post above… how would you feel if someone did that to you? Put your beautiful wife in your mind right now, and ask yourself how you would feel if you found out your imam or mullah, who came to your house when you were not there (something I'm sure is not permitted under shariah law)… flirted with your wife to the degree that it made her withdraw from you sexually? How would you feel? Hey… this is who you've chosen as your prophet… but you would NEVER allow that to happen… and yet you accept that muhammad did it to another man… and his ADOPTED SON on top of that!!! Naughty, naughty prophet!
This man was no prophet of god… oh yeah… that's right… I have no proof to back up that statement…
J Stillwater
@aminriadh… muhammad's adopted son had a wife, here name was Zaynab bint Jash… she was home alone one day… muhammad went there… saw her… flirted with her (DING!! DING!! DING!!! DING!!)… naughty prophet!!! One should NEVER flirt with, or make flattering comments to another man's wife… not cool… that's disrespect… megalomania… disregard for the feelings of another… but that's okay… because ALLAH was the one who was orchestrating all this anyway… ALLAH was setting things in motion so that zaid's wife would lose interest in him, and force him to divorce her so she could become the plaything of mohammad… It didn't matter that zaid loved his wife… and may have had dreams for a family, and years of growing old together… nope… muhammad didn't care… he selfishly set things in motion with a man's wife, while he wasn't home… now… ask yourself…. what would MUHAMMAD have done if someone had made the similar comments to aisha… ssssshhhhhhhiiiiiinnnngggggg…. the sound of the sword cutting through skin, muscle, and bone… and the head rolling down the road… that's what would have happened… but muhammad is different… he can steal another man's wife and we shouldn't call him a home-wrecker… because allah said he could do it…
It doesn't matter if she is his daughter in law or not… she was another man's wife… and muhammad took her away from him… what a beast.
Continued below…
I think the term "Ex-Muslim" has nothing to do much about leaving Islam or being apostate. It doesn't suit to belief system at all , Once you left means you are over it as much as belief is concerned !
"Ex-Muslim" has been inherited from some deformed social findings like ex-girlfriend . As ex-girlfriend consider scolding and bitching ex boyfriend is her birthright and so common in today's social scene , these so called apostates started behaving in this order and call themselves "Ex-Muslims" !
The word "Ex-Muslim" has nothing to do with Islam ! Either you are believer or unbeliever that's it.
First: I never said that everything you said about Islam is wrong. You said
half the truth, and you inserted many, many lies.
Second: your comment showed me that you possess another quality
that I was unaware of it. You are very brazen indeed….as if it is not
enough that you lie, but you accuse your opponent with lying.
Third: there is no reason for me to hide it if I am a Muslim. I can still
post my comments like the other Muslims are doing.
You truly proved that you lack intelligence, you are calling me a Muslim
in disguise just because I am defending the truth when I see it. Don't
you remember when I agreed with anti-Muslims when they mentioned
some truth about Islam?
I am neither with the Muslims nor with you, although and frankly, the
Muslims here proved that they are far more reasonable and just
than you are. Why don't you say anything wrong about the prophet
of your beloved Jews, although I proved to you that their book is full
of killing and violence and atrocities? If you forgot, I can prove it again.
Is it to this limit that you are deprived of shame ??
@J_Stillwater,
see rainbow is a muslim.. just observe the language he uses and there is no logic.. sound familiar? standard taquiya tactics…. because he can not use standard logic he is trying to pretend to be nuetral.. but when you read the sH*t that He projects and insults others.. his muslim colors come out
@no-name… sorry… can you refresh my memory as to when you "smashed" me? I'm sure you did…. but I just don't remember… it must be all that smashing…
Since nobody wants to live life in a state of smashedness… can you please tell me where you smashed me so I can respond and redeem myself from smashed-dom? Thanks… that would be… well… smashing!
J Smashedwater
I hope you meant Communism, not Atheism,
because there is a big difference.
It is very amusing to listen to the mentally-handicaped talking
to each other and wondering.
Very well said, Stillbetter! All we have to take care of is that freedom of speech is protected tooth and nail. And time is on our side!
'So where is logic and rationality now? Once again deserting him . . . .
Hence why I say – he is motivated by hate. "
Yet he explained, like Julia and I did, his motivation. And it was not some kind of hobby of using logic and rationality, hence to conclude that Ali Sina, or Julia or I, are motivated by hate it is not the only remaining explanation, and therefore not a logical conclusion, therefore an illogical conclusion. I think it is a prejudiced and manipulative conclusion.
And by far short of enough evidence and reason, according to your own standards. And this diminishes your credibility, at least the credibility of your conclusions. People should take these with a large amount of salt, in my opinion.
@J_Stillwater.
Far from it. What you must understand is before you criticize others, look at your own back yard and ensure it is in pristine condition. Don't you guys believe in the Universal Golden Rule. You seem to harp on about it at every turn under the guise of humanity.
Have you ever heard the saying, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?
That being the case, I simply expose people like Ali Sina an his co-horts, which include you for what they are. Yes we know you post on FFI.
There is no fallacy here, just simple logic. Was it not Ali Sina, your Guru, who stated that at least with his donators they are doing it willingly but Mohammed raided, looted and raped. And I merely pointed out that his (Ali Sina's) type of scamming is more dangerous as you cannot see it coming.
Most humans would want to see something coming towards them so they can exercise which option to take in order to avoid the object, whereas, if you are blind sided, you have no chance. Cunning as it may be, Ali Sina does have his fleecing agenda. We all know it. The difference between you and me is that you will still finance him, believing him to be some marvel genius and pioneer, whereas I would never finance him, believing him to be a hatemongering delusional idiot, who is a threat to mankind.
Why do you think he struggles to keep his websites open. Even his own people are keeping him at arms length and distancing themselves from him. I am no self proclaimed specialist, but I can raise enough money to finance the budget required for Ali Sina long awaited film, so why can't Ali Sina do it?
He has been going on about it for 10 years.
There are plenty of wealthy Islamophobes who wouldn't even blink at the figure he requires and no dent would be put in their pockets, but he seems to be struggling to achieve his goal. Why are no financiers lining up and throwing money at him?
Because everything he says is utter tripe which has been said for over 1400 years and will keep on being said. Groundhog day my friend, groundhog day.
@aminriadh… yes… these could only be my words… this could all be made up nonsense… but… it could also be true… and I'm betting that some unaware muslim, or some non-muslim is reading these accusations… and instead of just taking your word for it… they are clicking to open a new window… and they are typing in google: muhammad booty raids… or muhammad wealth wars… or muhammad mass murderer… and they are finding exactly what they need to find… so… you just go ahead and keep the conversation going… so more and more people can come across our posts… click off this site… and go try to disprove my accusations… and in the process… they will learn all they need to know about muhammad…
J Stillwater
@Ali… look up the fallacy called "poisoning the well" It's really great. I think you'll relate to it. Share it with all your friends… it's one of the most well-used fallacies, but it can be really effective if nobody catches it… of course, we catch it… look it up…
It's also one of the best indicators that a person has conceded defeat in an argument… whenever a person engages in the fallacy of "poisoning the well" what they're attempting to do is get the unaware onlooker to simply reject the arguer's claims based on the poison spread around by his opponents… Muslims are good at these fallacies of misdirection because they have no actual answer to the arguments….
Now… you muslims keep bringing up the biblical figures and saying how they killed and raped and so on… yep… they did it to… it was despicable when they did it… and it was despicable when muhammad did it… Even if muhammad only murdered 10 people, that's enough to have him classified as a serial killer or mass murderer…
J Stillwater
@Ali Sina.
If Obama is not a US Citizen, then how did he become the President? Not for the first time, but for the second time? Are you now implying that the American people, the American system and American research is all a sham and they are stupid beyond stupid?
I suggest you read up Sherriff Arpaio's history before commenting. This guy is a liability. Even Arizona state officials, including Governor Jan Brewer and Secretary of State Ken Bennett, have also dismissed Arpaio's objections and accepted the validity of Obama's birth certificate.
And if Obama is not in fact a US Citizen, then what's stopping you Ali Sina from running for President? (God forbid), but the principal is the same. If Obama can do it, so can you.
Just like your views on Obama not being a naturally born citizen is a conspiracy theory, so is your view about Mohammed. A conspiracy theory!
All hot air and no substance.
I have been debating with professional liars such as your own good self for nearly 15 years. I find it very easy to win against liars. I just let them hang themselves with their own lies.
Take the example of you claiming to be an atheist when you are indeed a Muslim. It is not difficult to expose you. In fact I don’t have to do anything. Liars often give themselves away as you have done.
Babs,
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@John.
Not as much as Atheism and Christianity has killed.
In comparison, Islam doesn't even finish the race, whilst Atheism and Christianity take first and second place respectively.
Many refuted your arguments, but as I said before, it is not easy to debate
an issue with a professional liar, because he will come with hundreds of other
lies to prove you wrong…..specially if there is a $50,000 involved.
If by lost you mean “killed” the answer is 280 million non-Muslims and probably double that number of Muslims (Muslims killing each other). Most of the victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslims
If you mean lost in value, the answer is billions.. Muslim don’t know what is life and living. A life filled with superstition, hate, ignorance, violence and slavery cannot be called life.
\”and one can easily reveal its many fallacies.\”
And why don\’t you? I have given you free podium in this forum to destroy all my arguments. Why instead you choose to attack my person and never try to refute my arguments? Maybe you think ad-hominem is a good substitute of logic. But it is not.
Why? Are you surprised that you could not fool me with your charade of being an atheist? Don\’t be, if there is anything I am good at is to read you Muslims like an open book.
I didn\’t say I have difficulty keeping these sites up. But it would be nice that others also share the cost so the burden is not on one person alone. However, even if no one does I will keep doing it because I believe in what I do and I think this is the best investment of my life. The return is not in money but in helping millions of people break their chain of slavery to a psychopath.
\”so how much is Trump giving you?\”
I haven\’t approached Trump yet. I am waiting for all the sites to be back working properly before I start contacting potential investors. I may contact Trump, but he is one of many.
The fact that Obama is not a US citizen is proven by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Just search Arpaio Cold Case Pose and read about it or watch his presentation on Youtube. This fraud will be exposed sooner or later and it is my hope that he will be taken to jail in handcuffs.
How many lives has Islam saved? Oops, wrong question. How many lives have been lost or destroyed due to Islam? Countless.
See this again shows Sina's mentality . . . fact checking, truth, accuracy doesn't matter to him. He saw such condemnation and jumped on it. But that is ridiculous.
His book is written in the same vain. he has no expertise in Psychology/Psychiatry whatsoever. Neither really does his "expert". . .
The books methodology is simple pattern matching. If on surface it matches . . . . then condemn the man with that disorder. A little scratching of the surface – and one can easily reveal its many fallacies.
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So where is logic and rationality now? Once again deserting him . . . .
Hence why I say – he is motivated by hate.
Here is more evidence of it.
Sina, I thought you are only a liar………but truly and honestly I thought you are
smarter than this, and I am very serious now. As usual, my dreadful mistake…
always over-estimate others.
I said it is very hard to discuss an issue with an idiot or a liar.
I am so tired of it, but this is my last attempt: I do not believe in any prophets
or gods, but I am by the side of justice. Sina seems to see only the
faults of Mohammad, but he doesn't see the faults of other prophets
and religions. I posted some videos made by ex-Christians, showing
the readers how repulsive the bible is.
I am against Sina, because he grouchy, liar, injust whose trade is hate.
I am not going to respond again to idiots, because they get on my nerves.
Your friend Joe is willing to send money
Moses was not any better than Mohammad;
Jesus was….but he was imaginary.
Or can it be you were there and don't exist in the format that you say you do. In other words Ali Sina really isn't an Iranian ex-Muslim at all but is actually one of the speakers named in the article Geller has cross-published.
You keep playing with fire Ali Sina, you'll get burnt.
Anyway, the Islamophobia machine has whet its appetite, and those who thrive off of instigating civilizational and cultural conflict are salivating at the chance to incite another conflagration.
You are aware Ali Sina that a newspaper names Mosab Hassan Yousef, (Son of Hamas) a Palestinian who moved to Los Angeles several years ago to be making a movie as well. He told the LA Times he had already cast a “prominent Hollywood actor” in the title role of his $30m (£18.5m) film, titled simply Muhammad. “My goal is to create this big mirror to show the Muslim world the true image of its leader,” Yousef says, adding that the film would feel similar to the Mel Gibson drama The Passion of the Christ.
How you gonna beat this dude to the post. He has already secured his funding and you have yet to get yours. And the worst part is that he has merely stepped into the USA whereas you have been talking and thinking about your movie for years.
You need to up your game, otherwise you will be left by the wayside…………………………..again!
" My movie backers . . . . "
This is why Sina thinks Obama was not born in USA.
See – "logic" fails him when money is up for grabs . . . . . so how much is Trump giving you?
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The same is the case with Hirsi-Ali . . . . . one wonders if these people were being rubbed in oil – would they have such moral dilemmas about Islam or not?
Or if US citizenship is up for grab.
"Muhammad enriched himself by raiding and looting people. Which is worse?"
Your claims only.
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"In fact I spend ten times more for keeping these sites than I get in donations. "
Your words only . . . the thing is you have difficulty in keeping these sites up. Yet 50K spare . . . . hmmm. Nah!
Raiding, robbing and looting is in your face. You know you are to be robbed. You see it coming with advance notice and know it is happening.
Your type of systematic fleecing is the worst kind as it it done under the guise of humanity, help, pleading under false pretenses, saving one from a cult, and what not BS. You plead poverty on one hand, and then promote a book on the other. Totally unethical and immoral practices. Nothing but a scam.
Similar to what Dr Maliki York did with his Nuwaubian Movement . He offered the Tabernacle Ministries Scripture, but charged for it. That was his is scam.
Just like yours.
If Mohammed killed, which was nothing of the schit you try to portray, so did Prophet David in the bible who according to the Old Testament destroyed whole cities allowing none to escape to bear the tale. Yet he was the man after God's own heart.
Another example, Saul was chastised because he failed to kill everybody and everything.
The truth remains that killing is condoned a thousand times more in the bible than it is in the Quran. Your so called civilized America has been involved in more wars in the last century than all the Muslim countries combined. So while you know the truth be damned in your knowledge.
You are a scam artist and the fraud must go on, otherwise, you won't be able to pay your gas bill Ali Sina.
@Ali Sina.
So what is the excuse for your mental disorders?
I did not go. My movie backers suggested I don\’t show my face until the movie is done so as to not put at risk its production.
I am not fleecing anyone. In fact I spend ten times more for keeping these sites than I get in donations. But let us assume I got so much donation that I could live, as you say, in a mansion. At least people would be paying voluntarily. Muhammad enriched himself by raiding and looting people. Which is worse? You don\’t see anything wrong in raiding, robbing and raping but you think it is dishonest to get donations? Something is screwed in your thinking.
"" It\'s funny how he projects his own virtues on others. "
Touche!
As the "expert" of your book is self-confessed narcissist and convicted ex-criminal to boot . . .
One might pitch that since you seem to lavish some pretty ridiculous self-praises upon yourself . . . it might just follow – you seem to be projecting your own narcissism.
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I mean at least I have managed to put one of them to bed. . . . the one about how any Muslims who reads your book will and up not being a Muslim.
And I had a good go at putting the one about $50K at bed too.
As much as it is possible to do so in these comments!
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SIna dearest – after inventing a few strange lies – fled.
"I have already saved thousands of people"
A pretty meaningless thing to say. Why not bump it up even more.
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Sina regularly pastes up such praise of himself. I wonder why . . .
No one else seems to be banging the drum . . . these alleged thousands.
Are they all bunch of cowards?
@Ali Sina.
Mate. You haven't saved one person with your rhetoric. The only thing you have saved is the money you have fleeced from the paupers who follow you and you keep pleading poverty in order to keep the benjamins coming in.
500 years from now is a long shot and to be fair, so is 50 years. Even 20 years from now, you will be either long forgotten including your rubbish or you will be some withered old man begging for God's intervention to help you die.
Not only is your work futile, it's utter schit. Rehashed, recycled, rejigged internet waste plagiarized from others.
First you claimed to have saved millions from Islam, now it's thousands, tomorrow it will be tens and before you die it will be zero.
You my friend, couldn't save yourself from Islam, so how you gonna save others?
Very well said,
You see this kind of projecting, a.k.a Freudian Projection in Muhammad’s sayings. The Quran is full of verses where Muhammad projects his own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto his detractors. Muslims reflect the psychology of their prophet and act in exact same way thus showing his mental disorders.
Dr Zakir Naik has already burst your bubble denialisnoproof. Just like Ravan burst Sitas and Ram's.
You guys really are glutens for punishment. No wonder you dudes worship anything and anyone at anytime.
\” are you by any chance a slave of mohammed?\”
Of course he is. But he comes here and pretends to be an atheist. What is the name for this that he uses? Ah \”hypocrite.\” It\’s funny how he projects his own virtues on others.
\”50 years from now, Ali Sina will be long gone and forgotten.\”
Far from it. 500 years from now I will be living in the lives of the descendants of those whom I have saved today from the deception of Islam. Yes maybe no one will remember my name. But that does not mean my work is futile. I have already saved thousands of people, who now instead of chasing a mirage try to be happy in this world and teach the same to their children. That is how success is measured, not in dimes and cents.
muslim bastard don't put your nonsense argument here . there are no zaki fans here to believe that earth is ostrich egg shaped. Now give me one verse from quran which says earth rotates around sun or around it's own axis.
both you and amin are gays who are surviving here on mutual admiration.
hey amin fagggy give me one verse from quran which says earth rotates or moves.
only thing it has mentioned is that sun and moon moves in their orbit.
so till then f@ck you and your muhammad.
You're right about Julian.
But don't worry, he'll be back once the medication starts to wear thin. It's just a matter of time.
Bro! are you aware what QTV of Pakistan wants of Dr Naik ? Anyway, I have just given a link also. I do not dream at all, before i dream anything, Allah fulfills that wish of mine. I dream for peace to all.
"I'm just amazed that you people regurgitate the same rubbish week in and week out on here. Surely there must be better hobbies out there. "
Ha ha – for some people I suspect there aren't.
Julia – seems a particularly lonely individual.
What's wrong J_Stillwater? FFI being out of service not giving you an audience to post your hatemongering on?
You guys are all the same unfortunately. Ali Sina IS your god and you people worship the floor he walks on.
What you and Ali Sina need to do is meet the challenge of the Quran. No lame excuses please. The smallest chapter is al-Kawthar, which is only 3 lines, and you don't even have to produce something identical. Just similar will do.
It's all very well sugar coating your agendas and cherry picking. How about doing some real literary work of importance.
We await.
@J_Stillwater.
What you seem to forget is none of us are on here day in and day out. Just like you, we all have our own agendas. As far as I am concerned Ali Sina has been proven wrong not just by me and others on here but throughout his presence on the internet he has been proven wrong, but he has yet to deliver the $50k reward he so gallantly offered.
The reward thing was just a red herring to get people interested in his site so he could start fleecing. It was the start of this meticulous plan. It's all about the money.
To me this site is a joke and I do get a kick out of publicly humiliating such a wretched enemy of civilization such as Ali Sina. You need to read what he says about Muslims and Islam before championing him for humanity. Do you really think I'd give a schit if Ali Sina banned me from here. To me, the few lines here and there are time pass.
Everything Ali Sina has ever said about Mohammed and Islam has been shredded to bits and handed to him on a plate. What you must do, is some leg work and research into what has been posted over the years on FIFI, other sites and here by Ali Sina's critics to see for yourself.
Because of what happened in Libya, FFI is under the watchful eye of the authorities and Ali Sina must clear some of the information he has previously posted on FFI and the server being overloaded is just an excuse to get things shredded in case he incriminates himself. The move that Nakoula made has been supported by Klein who in turn has support and affiliations with Spencer and Geller, who in turn are associates of Ali Sina, who in turn is a member of SION. You see, the while clique is involved one way or another with the movie and certain accountability is demanded by the Authorities. Ali Sina is just trying to clear his skeletons and distance himself, in case he is found out for sure who he really is.
The questions you have asked have been answered throughout the centuries and your questions are not anything new. You have not stumbled across a new phenomena with your questions. They have been here for over 1400 years and so have the answers. What you need to do is start looking in the right places.
I suggest you review my posts and others on here in the first instance where you will understand our position and you will get some answers to your questions. However, for me, time for any answers on here is long gone and now it's just a visit here and there and then I'm off again.
I'm just amazed that you people regurgitate the same rubbish week in and week out on here. Surely there must be better hobbies out there.
And on that note, just some food for thought. Do you know what the age of consent was in America about 150 years ago and what the age of consent in Bolivia currently is and what religion they practice?
"the "just in time" revelations that "came down" from allah right when he needed to screw his daughter in law"
When she was NOT his daughter in law – as he wasn't his son?
See – it is YOU who is factually incorrect.
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" or a six year old (okay 9 year old)… or his wife's slave… or basically whomever else he wanted to screw)… they still claim he is the highest moral example for the world… that would be the fool… "
Yet you are sufficiently short on any evidence.
It is always such generalities . . . . which is fallacious use of logic.
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Then when pressed – you have habit of shifting the burden of proof.
Which again – is fallacious logic.
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Might i recommend:
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logical…
A good start . . .
DearJS last time when I smashed you and prove you that you are a hate monger. You didn't replied !
I have also smashed blogger proved him manipulative he didn't replied as well !
Come on this is not a discussion ! You guys run away wherever you want and jump in or hide.
Your cherry picking , imposing your perspective , begging to believe you , word munching with interpretations is nothing but a disease which Muslim may avoid coz this is not seems to be result oriented job ! Never you can prove anything on global front about Islam and prophet .Its very much natural to have set of hate mongers always and counter biography , wrong projection of scriptures is not something happening for the first time ! There is no surprise for Muslims to deal with people like you ! If you read Qur'an you will find enough about hypocrites, disbelievers and enemies of your kind.
Do you still want to continue on your word munching question ?
@Ali Sina.
Did you attend the International Freedom Defense Congress, where you were scheduled to speak and meet, or did you pull out?
@Rainbow… here's the distinction… a sucker is a person who is gullible… a fool is a person who, after being shown proof that they are being suckered, continues to believe in the person doing the suckering…. for example… after a muslim is shown the detestable womanizing behavior of muhammad (and all the "just in time" revelations that "came down" from allah right when he needed to screw his daughter in law… or a six year old (okay 9 year old)… or his wife's slave… or basically whomever else he wanted to screw)… they still claim he is the highest moral example for the world… that would be the fool…
See the difference?
J Stillwater
continued from above…
I have asked several questions of the muslims among us regarding things from 6-year-old aisha, to slavery, to 90 foot tall adam… to where in the sky the "exalted assembly" is…… and I have yet to have those questions answered… please review my posts and collect the questions… there are not many… but they are questions that muslims avoid like the plague… I'm not quite sure why, but I suppose it's because the answers are either too embarrassing or just impossible to answer… I just would like for some brave muslim to help me understand the answer to my questions…
I'll add to my questions this one… when muhammad says that the revelation "came down to him" or when a biographer says "sent down to him" by allah, what do they mean by that? What does "came down" mean? You also see this in the hadith… why is it said that revelations come "down?" Where do they come "down" from? Where is "up" there? Up where? Can a muslim answer this for me? Thanks…
J Stillwater
@Everyone… something to consider…
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." —Jonathan Swift
Here's what I'd really like to see… and I've expressed this in the past. I would like to see rainbow, and ali, and loki and other muslims here, take some time and open the discussions regarding the claims Ali Sina makes against muhammad…
It's easy to bag on a guy… but it's another thing entirely to enter the debate… because the debate is where the light is… worse yet… it's where the HEAT is…
Finally… if Ali Sina were insignificant… you muslims wouldn't be here on a daily basis in a vain attempt to sling mud on his good name… you put a fine point on the assertion that "truth is the new hate speech"… but still…. the fact that you are here is a wonderful testament to the work Mr. Sina is doing… I'm also glad you are here, because our interactions help people see islam with more clarity. It's not enough to hear the arguments of Mr. Sina, it is also very important to see how muslims respond to them in the discussion forums… so please, don't stop…
continued below…
@Ali Sina.
If you had the knowledge then that you have now. You wouldn't be fleecing your flock in dribs and drabs. You'd be fleecing them millions, living in a mansion, with millions stashed in some Swiss account and enjoying your life, whatever is left of it.
As far as your debates go, they seem to have lost the venom, that were prevalent in the past. Maybe your cohorts at SION have taught you a trick or two on how to skin the cat properly. If you go in like a bull in a china shop, then the whole shop falls to pieces. Which unfortunately for you it has.
So in order to make the most of a bad situation, you try to come across as intelligent, well informed, educated, balanced and genuine.
And we Muslims all the know the answers to that!
interesting can u re-post those debates Mr.Sina
"At that time I knew little about quantum physics and the odd behavior of the subatomic world."
Sure . . . . don't BS now either.
Just like you know about Narcissism and Logic and etc. Well – when challenged those bits of knowledge tend disappear too.
A few examples of this on here. In these comments.
@Vijay
I highly doubt it. India is the world's largest democracy by numbers and will never go down this route.
Wishful thinking on your part, but never. Dream on.
@Babs. I suggest you search and read my posts in full before asking any questions.
And on that note are you Hindu by any chance?;)
@Loki. And your point is?
The article deals with apostasy and the position it has in Islamic countries. Nothing to do with the growth or fall of Islam. The problem with you atheists is that you will never believe no matter what and you guys have been drumming this beat since the coming of Islam. Islam will fall, Islam will fall, Islam will fall.
What you should be doing is reading the reports from the PEW Research Centre.
The global Muslim population is expected to grow by about 35 percent in the next 20 years, from 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion by 2030, according to figures by the Pew Research Centre’s Forum on Religion & Public Life.
That puts the Muslim growth rate at about twice that of the non-Muslim population over the next 20 years – an average growth of 1.5 percent for Muslims, in contrast to 0.7 percent for non-Muslims.
If numbers continue to rise, Muslims will make up 26.4 percent of the world’s total expected population of 8.3 billion in 2030, up from 23.4 percent of the estimated 2010 world population of 6.9 billion, according to the Pew Research Centre.
Like I said, not in your lifetime or your generations lifetime will you see the demise of Islam.
What's the evidence?
Not every war needs to be won.No great general won every war,a statistically significant number of course.
It's certainly not a shame in being humbled by a stalwart like JR.
Have a look:-
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21567…
Happy reading.
Islam is on its way to becoming extinct,like every totalitarian ideology should be.It may either morph into a truly inclusive and adaptive ideology,bereft of its current nonsensical regressive customs borrowed from Arab,Persian and Byzantine civilizations.Or it may be totally relegated to the history books as a bad adventure of humans.
If you're 20-30,and live till 60 at least,you'll be lucky to witness this extinction.
The only thing that's delaying it is the abnormally high birth rate.
See my previous post to you about paranoid splitting and projection. And again, I ask – are you perchance a slave of mohammed?
Rainbow, do you know what "splitting" and "paranoid projection" are? You are evidencing them – are you by any chance a slave of mohammed?
"splitting" is a psychological process often employed by the psychologically/mentally disturbed whereby they split off from their consciousness whatever they are uncomfortable with and which gets in the way of their perception of themselves as being "all good" This is so typical a Muslim trait that they perceive it to be normal. It can be seen in non-Muslims too, but these people are usually classified as being mentally disturbed.
To continue, "projection" is when these mentally disturbed see their own badness in other people and condemn them for the badness they themselves have, most often people of whom they are jealous or who otherwise make them uncomfortable.
So in effect, rainbow your attributions about Ali Sina's behaviour come about because they are what YOU would do in his position but dare not admit even to yourself.
Thank heavens for that, Ali!
Yep. And that shroud has been psycho analysed to only fit Ali Sina's personality and the pockets are made out of gold lining where he hopes that the money will double into gold, thus increasing the value further. And the pockets have zips on them so the money doesn't fall out!
@Joe
To the contrary. It is you Islamophobes that are delusional and living in the clouds hoping for the demise of Islam.
You know within your heart that it will never happen in your lifetime or any of your generations to come. Ali Sina also knows this, as since he has started his Anti Islam crusade, Islam has grown and not regressed.
He is only in this for the money, whatever little he can fleece you guys with and the creature comforts of a better life in Canada.
50 years from now, Ali Sina will be long gone and forgotten. The only thing he will leave behind is his legacy of hate and the dwindling fan club of a few here and there (predominantly Hindus) as they seem to be his ardent followers. Christians like you only come in on the band wagon to promote your own belief system and have your own agenda. But either way, doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to Islam.
There are some donkeys here who thought you are serious,
never sensed the irony.
It is a waste of time and energy to debate with an idiot,
who thinks there is a difference between a sucker and a fool,
and who cannot distinguish between being ironic and being serious.
Light for examples has both particle nature and wave nature.
our thoughts cannot be quantified and they are neither tangible so it is better to leave the thought undefined.
http://sudarshantv.com/news/index.php/2012-09-06-… Peace TV of Dr Jakir Naik is being banned in India. Just an input.
That debate took place over ten years ago. Maybe 12 years ago. At that time I knew little about quantum physics and the odd behavior of the subatomic world. Had I had this knowledge then, the debate would have been a lot more interesting. Thought are made of waves and waves defy our notion of time and space.
"you will not take one red cent with you. Or do you think you will?"
Of course he will….he has his shroud designed exclusively for him…..full of pockets !
Well…..as you said, a fart in the dark….it may hit or miss, but so far, looks like
it is not missing.
@Serpent,
If rainbow was really a materialist he would be reading financial bloggs and making money on the stock market.. why is He on this site? certainly not interested in civil rights and truth
rainbow,
would rather be a succer than a mindless fool..
go on keep believing in Islam which you never deny.. you only fool yourself
From what you have written shows that you are JEALOUS of Alisina. You wish that you could think and wreit like him but you can't becos as long as you BRAINWASHED you can't.
A day before FFI's temporary shutdown I found some interesting debates from the archives.Ali Sina actually debated James Randi and other materialists.Many people would pay lots of money just to have a debate with James Randi.Ali Sina raised some interesting points but failed to destroy JR,because he made a critical mistake by asking JR to prove a negative.This is a trap set by all materialists,so the burden of proof never get shifted on to them.
Instead Ali Sina should've asked JR to rebut the existing evidence for psychic phenomena.That would stun every materialist becuase now the onus has shifted to them.
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Ali Sina please re-post those debates.
WOW, Dr. Watson, I am very impressed ! I just wonder what are the cells
of a genius, supper brain like yours are made of……..maybe sheep drops?
Congratulation Sina, he promised financial help. Your scheme started
working in no time….here comes the first sucker!
No Joe,he's a materialist atheist,that's how they operate.
Conspiracy Theories
Even if this was a trick to get donations, no one will acknowledge that.
And since this is something you can never know, your shooting in the dark just shows your past bias affecting your present analysis.You can rebut me saying there are a lot of biased people in here,so why should I expect objectivity from you?But I can only do as much to point out that don't color your present decisions based on pre-conception.
I think Sina raises important questions about Islam, provides an alternative explanation to just divine inspiration for Muhammad's messages.And the merit in those explanations is evident from the presence of critics on this site.The future will be built by questioning old beliefs,finding out their flaws and correcting them.Not by restraining and punishing criticism.Every belief,every idea shall be scrutinized and the presence of opposite voices is essential for that debate.
Attack and rebut Sina's arguments,don't dilute your arguments by personal attacks.
I am really sorry I read what was between you and blogger. lol
But why there are no sponsors if you are doing service to humanity , opening gate way to peace and success, eradicating ignorance, building a society ????
If Islam is only reason for making poor and backwardness of Muslims , I have already mentioned its weird to see technically and financially devastated Anti-Islamists !
Nice one Ali Sina.
Christmas is around the corner, so some gullible fool has to pay for the presents hey? Atheist or no Atheist, you still have to keep up with the Jone's.
After which you have Valentines Day, Mothers Day, Easter, the Spring break, April Fool's Day, May Day, Summer Holidays, Ramadhan, Eid, Yom Kippur, Thanksgiving, Halloween, Guy Fawkes, Diwali, Black Friday and then Christmas all over again. And so the cycle continues.
Heck, you've got the whole year planned out for the fleecing excuses.
You are aware that, you can only eat a certain amount of food at any one time and when you do die, which you surely will, just like the rest of us, you will not take one red cent with you. Or do you think you will?
Anyway, keep up the fleecing. If your Evangelical brethren can do it, your fellow apostates can do it, you can do it.
Unfortunately, no section of society is spared from this religion of 'money worship', whether they be religious or non religious. It has been here since the beginning and you are no different.
Rainbow is a muslim pretending to be an athiest and has no interest in trying to help Ali Sina.
rather pathetic that rainbow can not tell the truth and the is pathetic enough to insult a great man.
I am sorry mr Sina that even after your great work you face such pathetic response..
i promise mr sina when my own finance is back on track i will help
If Sina's motive is righteous, I will be the first supporter……but Sina's motivation is
hate in disguise.
continued from above….
Maybe, after seeing all this brutality and carnage from this "religion of peace," a man like Ali Sina decides enough… so he studies to find out why this is happening… and much to his surprise… it is his own religious ideology that is the problem… so he vows to spend the rest of his life trying to save his fellow humans… even in the face of ridicule and taunts from his detractors… who think it is such a glamorous life to live on the run from people who are trying to kill you just because they cannot defeat your logic, and because they see you as a threat to their sweet little dream…
But no… you're probably right…
By the way… I always admire people who seek the truth, even if that means it shatters my own ideas and beliefs… whether it's Ali Sina or anyone else…
Instead of always trying to berate this man, you need to spend that effort coming up with rebuttals to his arguments… I'd REALLY like to see that sometime for a change…
J Stillwater
@Rainbow… how about this scenario… a man learns about the brutal attack on a woman… he sees the photos… he reads the news reports… and as he gets into the meat of the article… he sees that the woman is a muslim woman who has been disfigured by her husband… or what about this one…
A young girl from pakistan wants to get an education… so she starts to ask people in her village if they can put up a school… and the people begin to murmur that she is "in league with the infidel" and one day, some men, get on a bus… and shoot her in the face… Or what about this: A man in the sudan is working so that he can go to school and later get a job so his children will not grow up in poverty… and on the way home from work one day… he is stopped by a group of men in a pickup truck on a lonely road to his home… he is a christian… they are muslims… they find him just off the side of the road… his throat cut from ear to ear… he has obvious signs of brutal beating…
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Send the bill to the admirers of your site, since they cannot live without it,
they will pay with pleasure. But, between us Sina, isn't this an trick from
you to get more donations? Maybe you deliberatly disabled the site and
created this story so that the ones who adore it will tell you: ask for as
much as you want of $$$, but keep the site healthy.
@Ali Sina… great to hear you're doing upgrades… and that you're going to have an even more powerful server… Kudos!
J Stillwater