Arab Porn: A Positive Force for Change?

Arab Porn: A Positive Force for Change?

Dear Mr. Ali Sina

I am Ex-muslim Libyan young, and I would like to thank you to your great efforts to fight and expose Islam, and planting the seeds of doubt in the hearts of Muslims about Mohammed son of slut. The Islam must be eliminated by all means, why? Because it is a danger to U.S., Israeli, western culture and all humanity. My colleagues and I, for example, our attention related to exposing Muslim woman who allege chastity, and make her a slut for western and Jewish man, and publish on the internet, and this is what we do every week.
Please accept me as a follower and a soldier to you in Libya.

With Best Regards

Name: Imad
Origin: Arabic
Country: Libya

 

Hi Imad,

Great to hear from you. I am glad that there are free thinking people  in Libya and I hope there will be more soon.  If Libya falls into the hand of Islamists it will be disaster for the people.  It is up to people like you to save your country.

All the best

Ali Sina

 Dear Mr. Ali Sina

I am very happy to receive your response, and you should know, Sir, that Libya will not fall into the hands of terrorists, this promise me. My colleagues and I in a race against time in order to break the hearts of Muslims in Libya to leave Islam, by making their wives a sluts in the West with a non-Muslim man, and so will break the resolve of the Muslim men, and know that their wives love Westerners and hated in Islam. We seek to promote the culture of pornography among Muslims to leave their religion, and the women are half of the society, and this means that half of the population will be in a row our leader Mr. Ali Sina.

 

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Well Imad, I did not understand you at first. Now I do.  I cropped the above picture from your site. I am afraid I have to disagree with you. Not only your plan is not going to work it will actually backfire and will make Muslims want to cling to Islam even faster.

In order to get rid of Islam we have to promote a culture that is based on high human values, family values, morality and decency. Most humans are attracted to these noble human values. Islam promises to deliver them and that is its lure.

Of course, like all promises of Islam this too is a lie. Islam promotes pedophilia calling it marriage. It promotes promiscuity in the name of polygamy. It promotes prostitution in the name of muta or temporary marriage.  Islam does not bring any morality. It legitimizes immorality. The reason people want to cling to religion is because they are afraid of losing their moral basis. Any doctrine without morality is doomed. A minority is always attracted to such doctrines, but they often repulse the majority.

Family is the foundation of human society. Conjugal loyalty is the glue that holds the family together. Sexual libertinage destroys the family, without which the society crumbles.

Morality is not a religious construct.  Religions have been the custodians of it and as such we must be grateful to them. However, morality is an evolutionary imperative. It is not ordained by a god. It is a human invention. The reason we invented it is because it is a necessity for our survival. It is what keeps the family and consequently the society together.

We are very different from other mammals and primates.  Human children have psychological needs that are not significant for the survival of other mammals and primates. We are a lot more complex creatures than gorillas and chimpanzees – our closest cousins. A human child needs two parents, a mother and a father, for at least 18 years. He also needs siblings. This means that human couples must remain committed to each other for at least 25, 30 years until all their children grow and leave home.  That is why we have monogamy. That is why we have invented human morality. It is to protect our future generation. Children are the reason behind human morality.

So my friend, if you think the solution to get rid of Islam is pornography and prostitution of Muslim housewives, I am afraid you cannot be more mistaken.  You will pave the road for the Islamization of your country like no one can. No rabid mullah can be more effective in making Islam succeed than you.

If this is the path you have chosen, please do not mire my name. I don’t subscribe to your plan and don’t agree with your strategy. You trade with sex. You are a pimp, not a freedom fighter.

Many people blame me for not criticizing all religions. The reason I don’t is because I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Religions offer something atheism does not and that is morality.  It is not that morality and atheism are mutually exclusive, but there is no specific injunction in atheism that encourages morality.  We can reason that morality is better than immorality but such intellectual discussion is not for the consumption of the masses. The masses need specific guidelines. Atheism does not have them. That is why I believe that masses are better off with a religion that promotes morality than with atheism.

I can’t tell you what to do with your life.  I am fighting for a world where everyone is free to do as their conscience dictates as long as they don’t violate the freedom of others.  Of course freedom, like anything else has a side effect. There wouldn’t be any plane crashes if there were no air travels. Cell phones can cause brain tumor. But no one suggest we get rid of airplanes and cell phones.  What you do is the side effect of what I strive to achieve.  Pornography is the side effect of freedom.  We don’t get rid of freedom just because some people abuse it.

Please do not consider me your ally. I regard your profession a vice – something that leads to the destruction of family and the society, and considering that you operate from an Islamic country, I see you as an obstacle in my way to set Muslims free. My goal is to wean Muslims from Islam and this cannot be done unless we offer them an alternative that is better while it satisfies their basic needs for morality.

I pray that you realize the damage that you are causing to not just my cause and to your country, but also to countless lives and innocent children. By commercializing Libyan housewives as sex object you destroy families. You destroy future generations –something that is morally reprehensible and unforgivable.

I don’t know about your background, your upbringing and your psychology. Perhaps you belong to that category of people who don’t mind to share their wife with other men. Maybe you come from a broken family and possibly your mother was a whore.  You could be a sociopath with no conscience. If any of these is true, I don’t blame you for the path you have chosen. You are a victim of your circumstances and don’t know better. However, what you do harms people. You are a negative influence in the society.

Please do not call yourself my ally.  My allies are Christians, Hindus, and peoples of other faiths that know morality is the foundation of the society and strive for the spiritual betterment of the individual and the world. People in pornographic industry and sex trade are not my allies.

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  1. Hahaha. Stupid West people. I wonder if this is Islam? This proves that you've failed to understand the difference between Islam and Shia. Stupid so-called "Orientalism".

  2. So… you are comparing professional statistics from countries such as US and Scandinavia to the unreliable statistics from countries like Saudi??… good job bro…  i've been to dubai and Riyadh… there is rampant prostitution… mostly of foreign women(considered inferior). Then there are cases blaming rape victims in arab countries of adultery…. and most of the arab islamic countries do not even have a fraction of the population of us, china or india

  3. Oh!!! really ,you a waste oxygen let me tell u i am not bothered about life and death .Life is uncertain but death is.Before my birth i was not here and after my death i will not be here ,i am least interested in discussion and debating these things .It seems you are a girl and i pity that you are conditioned thoroughly by your parents about Islam and that psycho Mohammed .Read my child your prophets HARKATS right here on this site .

  4. Please read quran and pray namaz 5 times regularly. you don't know when you are die please tell me your death time and date than talk to me

  5. @noaman
    It is so pity that how fool you people are ,i can only repeat ,you lot are nothing but wasting precious oxygen upon this earth xD

  6. Please read quran and pray namaz 5 times regularly that will be give you paradise/Eden/jannat after death. Everybody, everyone going to death. if you buy car or cloth or food items they are slowly become die and at the end of day they are useless. Everything/everyone/everybody going to death. life is very short now one knows who will die what time and date. Even science & technology have more progress but not to tell death date and time of any person.
    No one create eye/ear/hand/lung/heart/brain even any part of human body included every human beings humans/animals etc. even they don't develop cancer patients proper treatments. Many things need to tell but you follow what Quran say and holy prophet (pbh). It is right time to follow after death everything is closed and you will find your outcomes jannat or jahanam (eden/paradise or hell)

  7. Please read quran and pray namaz 5 times regularly that will be give you paradise/Eden/jannat after death. Everybody, everyone going to death. if you buy car or cloth or food items they are slowly become die and at the end of day they are useless. Everything/everyone/everybody going to death. life is very short now one knows who will die what time and date. Even science & technology have more progress but not to tell death date and time of any person.
    No one create eye/ear/hand/lung/heart/brain even any part of human body included every human beings humans/animals etc. even they don't develop cancer patients proper treatments. Many things need to tell but you follow what Quran say and holy prophet (pbh). It is right time to follow after death everything is closed and you will find your outcomes jannat or jahanam (eden/paradise or hell)

    thanks 
    noaman

  8. Namaste
    Imad is thinking to risk. not only her life but also lives of other girls and wives of Sirian Muslims. She is helping Islamic terrorist in promoting Islam. I suggest her to follow Dr. Ali Sina. Promoting Pornography is not the tool of exposing Islam. Every human being has spiritual existance which is far beyond physical or sensual happyness and it is the only eternal existance of living being. Imad ,bring attention of educated Muslims tothis site and make them aware of false Islam.

  9. @menow05
    //Sweden (where our beloved Taslima Nasrin live) has the highest incidence of reported rapes in Europe and one of the highest in the world. //
    Could this be because more crimes are reported, testified and the criminals booked and convicted? Your other stats in this post actually confirm that Sweden (and some Nordic countries) is actually an aberration not a mark-up of how poorly women are treated in non islamic democratic countries.

    //where our beloved Taslima Nasrin live//
    In fact, Taslima feeling safer in Sweden when compared with Bangladesh actually flies right in your face. If a Muslim woman feels safer in Sweden compared to her own country, and an Islamic country at that, it tells you something about the situation in Bangladesh.

  10. @menow05
    //they are allowing a rapist after commiting crime if he/she comes under a bondage with the victim//
    In other word you are talking about a law which is in complete agreement with how it is seen in most Middle East country. Egypt and Indonesia are two notable exceptions. In most Middle East countries the rape charge is automatically dropped if the man marries the woman. What more, in Islamic countries marital rape isn't even recognized as a crime.

  11. @menow05
    //The most frequently cited research on sexual violence was conducted by Statistics Canada in 1992, which involved a national random sample of 12,300 women (Johnson and Sacco, 1995). //
    The very fact that such a initiative could be done in Canada but not in say Iran proves that how poor the state of women in Iran is (or in any other predominantly Islamic country) :-)
    Here is a statistics figure http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sc.p
    check for yourself the number of reported and the conviction ratio between a muslim dominated and a western country say Afghanistan, and Beligum (picked simply because they are toward the top of the article).

  12. Sweden (where our beloved Taslima Nasrin live) has the highest incidence of reported rapes in Europe and one of the highest in the world. According to a 2009 study, there were 46 incidents of rape per 100,000 residents. This figure is twice that of the UK which reports 23 cases, and four times that of the other Nordic countries, Germany and France. The figure is up to 20 times the figure for certain countries in southern and eastern Europe.

  13. in 2006, the Court of Cassation ruled that a 41-year old man who raped his 14-year-old stepdaughter can seek to have his sentence reduced on mitigating circumstances, due to the fact that the girl had been already sexually active and "since the age of 13 had had many sexual relations with men of every age and it's right to assume that at the time of the encounter with the suspect her personality, from a sexual point of view, was much more developed than what one might normally expect from a girl of her age". UNICEF in Italy stated that the decision "seriously violates human rights and the dignity of a minor."

  14. n Finland, convicted rapists receive very short penalties compared to other countries, although this may be due to the fact that Finland has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the world. During 2001-2003, the average sentence for rape was two years’ imprisonment, and only 63% of offenders served their sentences in prison, as 37% of sentences were conditional. The average sentence for aggravated rape was four years’ imprisonment. For the offense of coercion into sexual intercourse, sentences were most often one year conditional imprisonment, but only 4% of offenders went to prison.  …….. All the rapist please go to finlad.

  15. Please read Denmark Law about rape.. they are allowing a rapist after commiting crime if he/she comes under a bondage with the victim and this law was widely protested by the Human Rights organisation. Is this so called free society? Please read more in wikipedia.

  16. according to this link&nbsp ;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
    The most frequently cited research on sexual violence was conducted by Statistics Canada in 1992, which involved a national random sample of 12,300 women (Johnson and Sacco, 1995). The research found that over one in three women had experienced a sexual assault and that only 6% of sexual assaults were reported to the police.[40] According to Justice Institute of British Columbia, one out of every 17 women is raped, 62% of rape victims were physically injured, 9% were beaten or disfigured.[41],,,,, this is where our dear ali sina lives.

  17. Temporary marriage is used by Shiites. Sunnis say it's only okay in desperate times

  18. what is the Evidence that you are a muslim Shabeer? Now please dont drop your pants…

  19. World famous EMINENT PEOPLE on Islam like M K GANDHI, Swami Vivekananda, Dr Ambedkar. What they wrote was similar to what people like Ali Sina write today http://eminentpeopleonislam.blogspot.in/

  20. How could anyone trust, or worship, a deceitful god?

  21. John 8:44
    You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

  22. i am a communist
    Friday 17 May 2013, 7:49 am

    can you be clear dear shabeer? do you know arabic oor copy pasting from a site. nutfah is translated as semen. how did you alter its meaning as mixed sexual secretions of male and female?

    refer . . . http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=23

    i got a first hand dose of taqqiya dear shabeer

  23. i am a communist
    Friday 17 May 2013, 7:31 am

    dear shabeer.
    why should your Allah say all these nonsenses clay, dust, water etc. why could not he have said DNA, protein, and other molecules. mo would nt have known that such things even exist. and clay is not water. dust is not water. The fact that living things are made of water was known to grecians some centuries before muck was born. he blabbered what he heard from others who in turn learnt from greek. there are inaccuracies and definite mistakes in greek' findings. but they were one of the first among civilizations that all things can be reasoned out and all things can be explored. in that way mo is an antithesis of them – those great discoverers.

    he blabbered them all with all the inaccuracies of greek. they are still evident in qoran. like the order of embryogenesis. the order of development of embryo is this. first a lump of cells(definitely not blood, blood comes later some of it after birth), then 2 layers, then 3 layers, then neural epithelium. in the mean time heart, and gut. do you know bone comes last. axial skeleton(skull, facial bones etc.) develops before appendicial skeleton(bones of limbs and pelvis etc.)? the order is reversed in qoran- bone comes first. there are some bones hat do not show up till first year of age like knee cap bone. few others dont develop even till 7 years of age like carpal bones of hand.

    you asked for an error. i gave you one. refute now.

    regards.

    a communist

  24. @All
    I agree with Ali Sina Monogamy is ideal choice for humans.
    There is no religion equal to Vedic religion that strictly advised to follow monogamy.

    Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.
    3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.
    4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.
    5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.
    6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.
    7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
    Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.
    8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”
    9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!
    10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.
    11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
    - Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.
    - Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
    - Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
    - Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife. http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/

  25. @Shabeer
    You have written all the nonsense and irrelevant in above post but not answered of my queries. I write them again and expect point to point reply. Shahada is most important in Islam but we should know if any Shahada recited by Muhammad.

    which was "Shahada" recited by prophet in childhood and which was recited when he was old?

    Which was "Shahada" recited by Mohammad father and Mother?

  26. Shabby, as the house stands and its beauty is appreciated, then that one brick, which is not in place, is superfluous.It is quite unnecessary. The house stands on its own and cannot be said to be defective in any way because it serves its purpose. If the builder had considered that the house would fall without the brick, then he would not have left it out. So is it with your impostor prophet. Humanity was and is still perfectly alright without this particular 'prophet' or missing block as you call him.

  27. @SD
    ISLAM ,THE RELIGION FROM ALMIGHTY GOD NEVER /EVER BEGGING FROM PROPHET MUHAMMED[SA] 40 AGE ,THERE R LOT PROPHET CAME TO DIFFERENT PART OF THE SOCIETY ,THEY LEAD THE SOCIETY /PEOPLE WITH TRUE PATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD,LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE PATH , THEIR PROPHET BRING TO THEM FROM THE GOD .
    The total number of prophets is not 25, whose names are mentioned in the Holy Quran. As a hadith indicates, there came 124 thousand prophets to the world. Just as some of them were given separate Scriptures, there are also some others who followed the principles of a preceding one. For Aaron (PBUH) followed the principles of the Book of Moses (PBUH). John the Baptist (PBUH) and Zachariah (PBUH) observed the rules of the Book of Jesus (PBUH).

    What we need to know and believe is that the first prophet is Adam (PBUH) and the last one is Muhammad (PBUH). Between these two, there are as many prophets as we cannot know the total number. We believe and have faith in all prophets who were sent. Although we do not know their names and places, they are the prophets that Allah Almighty charged.

    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 735
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "My similitude in comparison with the other prophets before me, is that of a man who has built a house nicely and beautifully, except for a place of one brick in a corner. The people go about it and wonder at its beauty, but say: 'Would that this brick be put in its place!' So I am that brick, and I am the last of the Prophets."

    Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5675
    Abu Hurairh reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The similitude of mine and that of the Apostles before me is that of a person who built a house quite imposing and beautiful, but for one brick in one of its corners. People would go round it, appreciating the building, but saying: Why has the brick not been fixed here? He said: I am that brick and I am the last of the Apostles.

  28. sunsetsinmuddywater
    Tuesday 14 May 2013, 6:51 am

    Poor Guys, they still believe in Islam even after reading so many errors and false statements in Quran and Hadiths. They want to live in fantasy of day of resurrection, rather than living peacefully with fellow humans.

  29. @Editor
    I enjoyed thoroughly the Muslim Dior fashion show !!! ha ha ha!!!!.

  30. Mr. Ali Sina, you are correct in saying that Atheism gives no basis for morality. Atheists who have positive outlooks happen also to be Humanists, though some don't realize it. Humanism is the faith that the needs of humanity are met within humanity, and that the basis of morality is enlightened self-interest: if one wants a moral society, which shall treat with justice, peace, and freedom, one must act those ways toward others. This is the only faith based on observation, as opposed to elitist revelation, and the only one that promotes reason with evidence, and accepts and welcomes criticism, since it is obvious that humanity doesn't conform to any ideal, has an imperfect record, and needs correction.

    Humanism doesn't require Atheism, but since it is humanity that meets its own needs, there is no need for a god hypothesis.

  31. @Shabeer
    Why do you believe you are not worst of creature of Allah?

  32. @Shabeer
    Before i begin i want the definition of "Proof" and "Evidence" from your part. In case of proof one has to depend on witness and, evidence form part of proof.Evidence given by an individual called witness and he may be an eye witness himself or may be an hear say witness.Thus evidence include witness of an individual as well documents supporting the proof. Unfortunately there is no eye witness of Mohammed's time exist this day ,so we have to rely on the documents .The whole world knows that,Muslims do not doubt Quaran;Hadith's;Sunna of Mohammed. I have to rely these documents ,to show you the earth flat theory .Following are some sura's in Quaran where in the earth flat theory is envisaged please not down.There is a say, " A man may lie but document may not". I hope this will enlighten you about the pot holes that exist in your true holy books.

    /And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
    Qur'an 15:19/

    /He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
    Qur'an 20:53/

    /(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
    Qur'an 43:10/

    /And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
    Qur'an 50:7/

    /And the Earth — we have stretched it out like a carpet; and how smoothly have we spread it forth!" (Sura 51:48)./

    Soooooo….your answer please?

  33. #earth is flat;the sun is circumscribing the earth;earth is the center of Universe;moon is above the star etc
    PROOF WITH EVIDENCE ,PLZ

  34. Under the Jati system, a person is born into a Jati with ascribed social roles and endogamy, i.e. marriages take place only within that Jati. The Jati provides identity, security and status and has historically been open to change based on economic, social and political influences. In the course of Indian history, various economic, political and social factors have led to a continuous closing and churning in the prevailing social ranks which tended to become traditional, hereditary system of social structuring. This system of thousands of exclusive, endogamous groups, is called Jāti. Though there were several variations across the breadth of India, the Jati was the effective community within which one married and spent most of one's personal life. Often it was the community (Jati) which provided support in difficult times, in old age and even in the resolution of disputes. It was thus the community which one also sought to promote.
    Jati appears to be a community identification of great antiquity predating the attempts at social organization by varna. Groups in India untouched by Sanskritic culture had and even today preserve their jati affiliations.
    The British, since 1901, for the purposes of the Decennial Census, fitted all the Jatis into one or the other of the varna categories as described in Brahminical literature. The Census Commissioner had this to say, "The principle suggested as a basis was that of classification by social precedence as recognized by native public opinion at the present day, and manifesting itself in the facts that particular castes are supposed to be the modern representatives of one or other of the castes of the theoretical Hindu system;".[2] This deliberately ignored the fact that there are innumerable Jatis that straddled two or more Varnas, based on occupation. As a community in south India put it,"We are soldiers and saddle makers too" – but it was the enumerators who decided their caste. The Indian society since pre-historic times had a complex, inter-dependent and cooperative political economy. One well known text, the Laws of Manu, c. 200, codified the social relations between communities from the perspective of the Varna castes. Although this book was almost unknown south of the Vindhyas, it gained prominence when the British administrators and Western scholars used it exclusively to gain an understanding of traditional Hindu law in India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81ti

  35. @SD
    u'r opinion is just like some new generation hindu people like agniveer,arya samaj members,they says no cast system in hinduism with no evidence,millions of people died , prohibited even temple prayer ,brutally killed ,burning husband grave & forced sex for upper Brahman [devadasi] ,it living truth ,no one can hide the truth ………………….the great scholors ever agreed u'r openion ,they says
    plz read world agreed hindu scholars opinion about cast system
    “They never follow the cast system, they ate and drink with Muslims, Christians and lower cast people “(Dayananda Saraswathy: The Light of Truth Page 433.)

    His entire life he publish and support cast system and criticize the people who act against the cast system, he believe the cast system must there in social life. (Ibid Page 88-91.)

    Gandhi M.K: Complete Works Vol XXI, Page 246

    sankaracharya:
    moral adhytha[133]
    brahmasuthram[1:3:38]
    vivekachudamani [5:18]

    plz read at least this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_Indi

  36. @ Shabeer
    Please write here which was "Shahada" recited by prophet in childhood and which was recited when he was old?
    Which was "Shahada" recited by Mohammad father and Mother?

  37. @
    Please write here which was "Shahada" recited by prophet in childhood and which was recited when he was old?
    Which was "Shahada" recited by Mohammad father and Mother?

  38. @Sanatan Dharma………….
    plz read attribute of allha :http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/99names.htm

    Which "Shahada" was recited by Mohammad?
    same shahada we says…………….
    Why Allah sends last & best prophet in the last?
    every prophet appointed for a group of society & people ,but prophet muhammed [s] send to all the people after him…………..

  39. "you lose an argument" !!!!!!!!!!!!!! where ? when? u'r the looser …………… quran ever pure ,divine & noble ,in front of it the all the religious text r weak,impracticable……………………..i showing ,some valuable evidence……………….none of them can't prove like me against the quran,that the only evidence showing its being divine & from the god almighty god………………..

  40. @Sakat,
    On the contrary knowing that he was leaning extreme right, Islam may be his true calling. It suits an extremist to the 'T'. This is how it was first found: "The leak was discovered during a wiretapped phone call while Van Doorn was being investigated over allegations that he sold soft drugs to children aged 14 and 15." So you know what he stands for now.

  41. This man whom you refer to have become Muslim,is a dutch leader.First of all he is politician ,remember politician embrace any religion and vacate at any time ,if there is little chance for acquiring power and, your religion is ideal for such people(Mohammed applied smartly this concept/chemistry for usurping power in Saudia). Moreover he is cunning ,he was earlier Islamophobic and,suddenly changed his mind and embraced your useless religion ,it seems something is cooking in his mind.There will be no surprise, one fine morning ,he may say good by to your cult,don't be over confident .Thinking man never embrace such useless religion (which negate one's self confidence).

  42. 123, Many prominent people have abandoned or moved away from muhammadanism after having found it to be a lie and violent. Among them are Dr Ali Sina and others in the campaign to enlighten the world about this evil. A few years back the son of a co-founder of Hamas left and exposed the truth about islam from the perspective of an insider. This was very unpalatable to muhammadans and it unsettled them in no small measure.

  43. @123
    In fact doesn't it prove that if you move far to right you will find Islam!!

  44. @Brother
    I would like to know answers of few Questions
    As per Islam Allah was sitting lazily on his throne because Islam believes this is first and last creation of Allah?
    Which "Shahada" was recited by Mohammad?
    Why Allah sends last & best prophet in the last?

  45. Arnoud Van Doorn removals to Islam is a proof that Islam is not a religion of violence … and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

    And Ali Sina …. stop to deceive the public …. not about Muhammad ..
    but about your mission ….

  46. @SHABEER
    There is no caste system in Veda on the contrary
    The concept of caste is relatively new. Vedas contain no word that can be considered a synonym for ‘caste’. The two words commonly considered to mean ‘caste’ are Jaati and Varna. However the truth is that, all the three mean completely different things.
    Caste is a European innovation having no semblance in Vedic culture.

    Jaati
    Jaati means a classification based on source of origin. Nyaya Sutra states “Samaanaprasavaatmika Jaatih” or those having similar birth source form a Jaati.
    An initial broad classification made by Rishis is 4-fold: Udbhija (coming out of ground like plants), Andaja (coming out of eggs like birds and reptiles), Pindaja (mammals) and Ushmaj (reproducing due to temperature and ambient conditions like virus, bacteria etc).
    Similarly, various animals like elephant, lion, rabbits etc form different ‘Jaati’. In same manner, entire humanity forms one ‘Jaati’. A particular Jaati will have similar physical characteristics, cannot change from one Jaati to another and cannot cross-breed. Thus Jaati is creation of Ishwar or God.
    Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra are no way different Jaati because there is no difference in source of birth or even physical characteristics to differentiate between them.
    Later, word ‘Jaati’ started being used to imply any kind of classification. Thus in common usage, we call even different communities as different ‘Jaati’. However that is merely convenience of usage. In reality, all humans form one single Jaati.
    Varna
    The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’ and not Jaati.
    The word ‘Varna’ is used not only for these four, but also for Dasyu and Arya.
    ‘Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
    Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.
    That is why Vedic Dharma is called ‘Varnashram Dharma’. The word Varna itself implies that this is based on complete freedom of choice and meritocracy.
    3.
    Those involved in intellectual activities have chosen ‘Brahmin Varna’. Those into defense and warfare are ‘Kshatriya Varna’. Those in economics and animal rearing are ‘Vaishya Varna’ and those involved in other support functions are “Shudra Varna”. They refer merely to various choices of professions and have nothing to do with any Jaati or birth.
    4.
    Often mantras of Purush Sukta are cited to prove that Brahmins originated from Mouth, Kshatriya from hands, Vaishya from thighs and Shudras from legs of God. Thus these varnas are birth-based. However nothing could be more deceptive. Let us see why:
    a. Vedas describe God to be shapeless and unchangeable. How can such a God take shape of a gigantic person if He is shapeless. Refer Yajurved 40.8.
    b. If indeed this were true, this would defy the theory of Karma of Vedas. Because as per Theory of Karma, one’s family of birth can change as per his or her deeds. So one born in Shudra family can take birth as king’s son in next birth. But if Shudras are born from feet of God, how can same Shudra again take birth from hands of God?
    . Soul is timeless and never born. So soul can have no Varna. It is only when it takes birth as human that it has a chance to opt a Varna. Then what is meant by a Varna coming from one part of God’s body? If Soul did not take birth from God’s body, then does it mean body of soul is prepared from God’s body parts? But as per Vedas, even nature is eternal. And same atoms recycle among various humans. So it is technically impossible for any one taking birth from God’s body, even if we assume God to be having a body.

  47. @Shabeer
    Violence against animals is a worst act as per Veda.. Veda prescribe Vegetarian diet.

    “YASTU SARVAANI BHUUTAANYAAT
    MANYEVAANUPASYATI
    SARVE BHUUTESU CAATMAANAM
    TATO NA VICIKITSATI.”
    “He who sees all beings in the self and the self in all beings,
    feels no hatred against any creature in the world, for, he realises
    the similarity of all souls.”
    How could people who believed in the doctrines of
    indestructibility, transmigration and oneness (similarity) of souls
    as the followers of vedism dare to kill animals in ‘Yajna’? They
    might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of
    bygone days, residing in these living beings. They cannot be
    expected to indulge in such heinous action for the momentary
    satisfaction of their taste and hunger.
    ‘Yajurveda’ XXVI – 18 says:
    “MITRASYA MAA CKSUSAA
    SARVAANI
    BHUUTAANI SAMII KSE
    MITRASYA CAKSUAA SAMIIKSAA
    MAHE”
    “May all living beings look upon me as their friend, and may
    I too treat them as my own friends. Oh God, do arrange things
    in such a way that all (living beings) behave with one another as true friends”
    Yajurveda XIII-48 says:
    IMAM MAA HIMSIIREKASAPHAM
    PASUM VAAJINAM
    “Do not destroy the one hoofed animal, the horse”
    In Rigveda VIII-56-17 cow slaughter has been declared a
    heinous crime equal to human murder. It says:
    AARE GOHAA NRHAA VADH ASTU
    “One who kills a cow or murders a man should be awarded
    capital punishment.”
    Also Rg-veda X-87-16 calls those persons YAATUDHAANA
    (demonic persons) who eat raw meat of men or of animals
    and prays for their beheading. It says:
    YAH PAURUSEYENA KRAVISAA
    SAMBHUMKTE
    YO ASVYENA PASUNAA
    YAATUDHAANAH… AGNE TESAAM
    SII RSAANI HARSAA PIVRSCA
    “Those demonic people who relish (eat) raw meat of man
    or of animals like horses, oh God, kill them by beheading”
    In 'Atharva veda’ VI – 70 – 1, meat eating has been put at
    par with vices like drinking and gambling. It is said there:
    YATHAA MAAMSAM YATHAA SURAA
    YATHAAAKSAA ADHIDEVANE
    YATHAA PUMSO VRSANYATA
    STRIYAAM NIHANYATE MANAH.
    “Surely, human mind gets polluted when it is lust-ridden
    and when it is set on meat eating, drinking and playing
    dice”.
    Thus, there are such clear tenets directly decrying the
    consumption of meat for human beings and declaring it as a vice
    equal in intensity to that of other vices like gambling etc. Is it not
    a travesty of facts to say that ancient followers of vedism were
    non-vegetarians as has been espoused by many western thinkers?
    But there is nothing to be surprised about western thoughts.
    It is a manifestation of their colonial pride and a relic of the white man's burden. http://agniveer.com/vedas-and-vegetarianism/

  48. Hindu Texts could be wrong yet Hindus have put them aside or altered them for humanity, while while claiming Islamic text good, What are Muslim doing to humanity ? only considering Muslims as human ?

  49. @Chuck/Shabeer
    There is no caste system in Veda on the contrary
    The concept of caste is relatively new. Vedas contain no word that can be considered a synonym for ‘caste’. The two words commonly considered to mean ‘caste’ are Jaati and Varna. However the truth is that, all the three mean completely different things.
    Caste is a European innovation having no semblance in Vedic culture.

    Jaati
    Jaati means a classification based on source of origin. Nyaya Sutra states “Samaanaprasavaatmika Jaatih” or those having similar birth source form a Jaati.
    An initial broad classification made by Rishis is 4-fold: Udbhija (coming out of ground like plants), Andaja (coming out of eggs like birds and reptiles), Pindaja (mammals) and Ushmaj (reproducing due to temperature and ambient conditions like virus, bacteria etc).
    Similarly, various animals like elephant, lion, rabbits etc form different ‘Jaati’. In same manner, entire humanity forms one ‘Jaati’. A particular Jaati will have similar physical characteristics, cannot change from one Jaati to another and cannot cross-breed. Thus Jaati is creation of Ishwar or God.
    Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra are no way different Jaati because there is no difference in source of birth or even physical characteristics to differentiate between them.
    Later, word ‘Jaati’ started being used to imply any kind of classification. Thus in common usage, we call even different communities as different ‘Jaati’. However that is merely convenience of usage. In reality, all humans form one single Jaati.
    Varna
    The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’ and not Jaati.
    The word ‘Varna’ is used not only for these four, but also for Dasyu and Arya.
    ‘Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
    Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.
    That is why Vedic Dharma is called ‘Varnashram Dharma’. The word Varna itself implies that this is based on complete freedom of choice and meritocracy.
    3.
    Those involved in intellectual activities have chosen ‘Brahmin Varna’. Those into defense and warfare are ‘Kshatriya Varna’. Those in economics and animal rearing are ‘Vaishya Varna’ and those involved in other support functions are “Shudra Varna”. They refer merely to various choices of professions and have nothing to do with any Jaati or birth.
    4.
    Often mantras of Purush Sukta are cited to prove that Brahmins originated from Mouth, Kshatriya from hands, Vaishya from thighs and Shudras from legs of God. Thus these varnas are birth-based. However nothing could be more deceptive. Let us see why:
    a. Vedas describe God to be shapeless and unchangeable. How can such a God take shape of a gigantic person if He is shapeless. Refer Yajurved 40.8.
    b. If indeed this were true, this would defy the theory of Karma of Vedas. Because as per Theory of Karma, one’s family of birth can change as per his or her deeds. So one born in Shudra family can take birth as king’s son in next birth. But if Shudras are born from feet of God, how can same Shudra again take birth from hands of God?
    . Soul is timeless and never born. So soul can have no Varna. It is only when it takes birth as human that it has a chance to opt a Varna. Then what is meant by a Varna coming from one part of God’s body? If Soul did not take birth from God’s body, then does it mean body of soul is prepared from God’s body parts? But as per Vedas, even nature is eternal. And same atoms recycle among various humans. So it is technically impossible for any one taking birth from God’s body, even if we assume God to be having a body.

  50. @shabeer
    I don't want to indulge ,into discussions/debate of Vedas,Upanishads, Geeta ,Bramhasutra,s (these are supreme truths) with you.To discuss these things one should have basic qualities,you are bankrupt in those qualities. It is said that ,these higher truths cannot be discussed with swine's and donkey's ,of course one can with monkey's, that is what lord Rama did and so many monkey's reached God hood.When I feel you or Slave elevated to grasp those wisdom,s embodied in these scriptures(like monkey's), certainly i will engage you of my own .Mean time please answer why the holy Quran indulge in saying false things like ,earth is flat;the sun is circumscribing the earth;earth is the center of Universe;moon is above the star etc ……things.

  51. @Sanatana Dharma/Shabeer,
    About Purush Sukta. Even if we set aside any metaphorical or allegorical meaning, even if we set aside its context, I will be interested in knowing how it is 'approving' caste system? If we only take the literal meanings how can it be approving caste system? The reference is to the Cosmic Being, why should its feet be any inferior to its mouth or arms? May be Islamic teachings requires the feet to be inferior to the mouth!! Very simply, even in its literal sense it is saying that the society is the conjugation of people who are scholars (from mouth), defenders (from arms), (economic) support (from thighs) and its work force (from feet). If anything it is saying that the work force serves the most important aspect, that of carrying the whole body. In a different sense it actually is saying that all classes are emanating from the same universal cosmic being. If anything the Sukta shows the spiritual unity of the whole universe, among all sections of the society.
    And by any means Varna and Jati aren't same. Varna comes from the root vra', and means quality or character, hence Varnamala, and Varna = Color etc. Jati means birth, like Manushyjati, Bharatjati, Strijati and indeed ANY kind of birth, Caste on the other hand means a breed or lineage. So the whole notion of equating Caste with Jati and even further Jati with Varna is fallacious. A better word-to-word translation of caste ought to be 'Kula;.

  52. @SHABEER
    TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS ONE BY ONE.
    Firstly I take Purush Sukt of Veda
    बराह्मणो.अस्य मुखमासीद बाहू राजन्यः कर्तः |
    ऊरूतदस्य यद वैश्यः पद्भ्यां शूद्रो अजायत ||
    Brahmanoasya mukhamasida bahu rajanyakriah

    Uru tadasya yadvaishya padabhyam shudro ajayat.

    (Rigveda 10.90.12, Yajurveda.31.11).
    The above hymn of the Purush Sukta relating to Purusha(supreme reality) is entirely an imaginative piece of writing and it is not to be literally translated to mean that the Brahmin originated from the mouth of the Purusha(all pervasive Supreme Entity and obviously implying here formless), the Kshatriyas from the arms, the Vaishyas from the abdomen and the Shudras from the feet. The unique characteristic of Vedic language(different from classical Sanskrit) is that it is highly metaphorical and symbolic and capable of multiple interpretation. However, for a proper understanding of the sense of the Vedas, we have to bear in mind the established standpoint of etymologists like Yaska that all the Vedic words are derived from verbal roots and their meanings are based on their derivation from verbal roots. Purusha Sukta is an analogy between four limbs of the body(head, arms, thighs & feet identified symbolically with society) and the four varnas, i.e., Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra who as providers of knowledge, protection, wealth and service are respectively required to eliminate ignorance, injustice, inadequacy and indolence, the four social ills of the society and serve mankind as per their functional values and natural propensities. Dr.Dilip Vedalankar writes in his book ‘Vedic Humanism’(pub.by Vijay Kumar Govind Ram Hasanand, Delhi) “The Rigveda uses the metaphor of “person like society”. The organic view of society was explained by comparing the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras with the head, the hands, the legs and feet respectively. The health of the body society required the health of all the organs. Conversely the pain in one limb was the pain of the social body which represented the life spirit of the oganism.” Thus, through mutual cooperation and co-existence, the aim of Vedic social stratification (based on worth and not birth) is to make the entire society happy, complete and perfect. Dr.S.P.Singh in ‘VEDIC SYMBOLISM’ points out “This classification of society is not to be taken as epoch specific, as it is generally misunderstood. Since the seers canvass of thinking in this hymn(Purusha Sukta) is cosmic, his ideas can by no means be confined to any specific period of human history and that also as applicable to a specific group of people of that age.”

    Confusion between Varna and Jati – Impact on Recommendations of Mandal Commission Report – Job Reservation

    Some scholars as well as the authors of the Report of the Backward Classes Commission(Mandal Commission Report)of the Govt.of India, treat the above hymn of the Purusha Sukta as the source of Janmana jati vyavastha(hereditory caste system). Linking the allegorical Sukta to watertight hereditory caste system is baseless and absurd. As a part of intellectual subversion, a section of western scholars and in particular their Indian camp followers have confused the two words of Sanskrit literature, i.e., varna and jati as same which has led to several misconceptions about the Indian social system. Both Varna and Jati are at poles asunder while the former is spiritual, based on worth of a person and pre-vedic, the later is purely social, a post-vedic concept based on birth.

    Maharishi Manu proclaims flexibility of Varnas and their growth

    Vedas proclaim that all human beings should move forward in unison and there cannot be any distinction on the basis of birth. Atharva Veda says “All the four Varnas should live in harmony and with love” Priyam ma krnu devesu priyam rajasu ma krnu, priyam sarvasya pasyata uta sudra utarye.(Atharva Veda 19-62-1). As per true Vedic concept, the duty of each Varna is to serve the society and every individual irrespective of his varna has to discover his soul (self-realization). Soceity will not obstruct the growth and progress of even Shudra to awaken his soul. That is why Manusmriti ( WITHOUT INTERPOLATIONS) says:

    “Shudro brahmanatameti brahmanashchaiti shudratam.

    Kshatriyanjalamevamtu vidyadvaishyattathaiva cha.”(Manusmriti 10/65)

    i.e. a Shudra can become a brahmin by acquiring learning, merit, virtuous life, etc.and a brahmin lacking in above traits becomes a Shudra. The above principle of merit, action and personality traits (Guna-karma-Swabhava) also holds good for Kshatriya and Vaishya for their upward or downward mobility.
    Cont….. .http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/purusha-sukta/

  53. sunsetsinmuddywater
    Tuesday 7 May 2013, 7:07 am

    Chuck, you are absolutely correct, these guys try to prove their religion is right, but when they are showed the mirror, they play blame games.

  54. poor shabeer,
    You proved my point that when you lose an argument you will drop the main point and start attacking other religions, countries, philosophies etc. Lets assume that Hinduism, Christianity Judaism are all filthy religions, does it anyway disprove the inconsistencies of Quran, does it prove that mud and water are same (baker analogy) or that merely saying that man is made of water is complete and consistent in all senses when another verse says man is made from baked mud (Tea analogy, tea is made from sugar), or does it any way help sustain your claims of geology and embryology in Quran? In case you are wondering, the answer is NO!! You have simply lost the argument. Do you still have the cheek to say "Show me an error in Quran"? Shameless creature that you are, you would say "YES".

  55. PLZ EXPLAIN WHAT THE PURPOSE REVILED FOLLWING VERSES:
    "Now people here
    whose conduct is good can
    expect to quickly attain a
    pleasant birth, like that of a
    Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the
    Vaisya. But people of evil conduct
    can expect to enter a foul womb,
    like that of a dog, a pig, or a
    Chandala"(Chhandogya Upanisad 5.10,7)

    Following is a list of verbatim quotations from Hindu scriptures, which speak of and approve the caste system:

    बराह्मणो.अस्य मुखमासीद बाहू राजन्यः कर्तः |
    ऊरूतदस्य यद वैश्यः पद्भ्यां शूद्रो अजायत ||
    "The Brahmana was his [God's] mouth, of both his arms was the Rājanya made. His thighs became the Vaishya, from his feet the Shudra was produced." [Purusha Sukta; Rigveda 10/90/12 and Yajurveda 31/11 and Atharvaveda 19/6/6]
    "For Brahman (Priesthood) he binds a Brahmana to the stake; for Kshatriya (Royalty) a Râjanya; for rearing cattle a Vaishya; for Penance a Shudra;" [Yajurveda 30/5]
    नृत्ताय सूतं
    "For Dance, God creates a Soot." [Yajurveda 30/6] A 'Soot' is the son of a Kshatriya and a Brahmin woman who generally does the business of dancing. Here caste and profession is determined by birth. Refer to Manu Smriti 10/11.
    गीताय शैलूषं
    "For song, God creates a bard." [Yajurveda 30/6]
    तपसे कौलालं
    "For penance, God creates a potter's son." [Yajurveda 30/7]
    वैशन्ताभ्यो वैन्दं
    "For maintaining small tanks, God creates the son of a Nishada." [Yajurveda 30/16] A 'Nishada' is the son of a Brahmin man and a Shudra woman. Refer to Manu Smriti Chapter 10, verse 8.
    ये गर्भा अवपद्यन्ते जगद् यच्चपलुप्यते |
    वीरा ये तृह्यन्ते मिथो ब्रह्मजाया हिनस्ति तान् ||
    "Whatever infants die, untimely born, Whatever herds of cattle waste away, Whatever heroes strike each other dead, the Brāhmin's wife destroys them." [Atharvaveda 5/17/7]
    उत यत् पतयो दश स्त्रियाः पूर्वे अब्राह्मणाः |
    ब्रह्मा चेद्धस्तमग्रहीत् स एव पतिरेकधा ||
    ब्राह्मण एव पतिर्न राजन्यो न वैश्यः |
    "Even if ten former husbands—none a Brāhmin—had espoused a dame, And then a Brāhmin took her hand, he is her husband, only he, not Vaisya, not Rājanya, no, the Brāhmin is indeed her lord:" [Atharvaveda 5/17/8-9]
    शूद्रार्यावसृज्येताम
    "Shudra and Arya were created." [Yajurveda 14/30] Here Shudras and Aryas are clearly differentiated. Thus only Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are considered Arya (translated as 'Noble' by Arya Samaj). Therefore, Shudras are 'Anaryas'.
    आर्य ईश्वर्पुत्रः
    'Arya' means 'Son of God', according to Nirukt 6/26. Combining points 9 and 10, Shudras and other low castes are not sons of God or the beloved of God.

  56. "Boneless, pure, cleansed with the wind, brilliant, they go to a brilliant world. The fire does not burn their male organ. In Swarga they get plenty of women." [Atharvaved 4:34:2]
    This mantra strikes a death blow to all those so-called Brahmacharis who sweat at the mere mention of women in Paradise, fearing that this will violate their Dharma. Vedas reject such apprehensions. There will not be just one, but numerous women to fulfill the desire of sex. In this mantra, the word Strenam (सत्रैणम) is used which means 'a collection of women'. This is the meaning given by the ancient Indian Grammarian Panini in his book Ashtadhyayi – Adhyay 4; Paad 1; Sootr 87. Lest any Arya Samji tries to do some word gymnastics as they are so renowned for, we have given this source. Also the word Shishan (शिशन) used in this mantra only means 'phallus' according to Nirukt 4:19.

    These beautiful women which the people of Vedic Paradise will receive, are called as Apsaras in Vedic terminology. At many places in the Vedas, prayers are made to get these Apsaras. For example, see Atharvaved 2:2:5 that I have already quoted. Vedas also list many types of Apsaras. Six types of Apsaras are spoken of in Rigveda 10:95:6 and Atharvaved 8:10:27,28 and the details about them can be found in many references of the Upanishads. A some places they are called as the Lovers of Devatas. For example in Atharvaved 6:118:3 it is said
    "My creditor, the man whose wife I visit, he, Gods! whom I approach with supplication, Let not these men dominate me in speaking. Mind this, you Apsaras, Gods' Consorts!
    The authentic Upanishads also mention about numerous women being given in Paradise. Chandogya Upanishad 8:12:3 says
    "Thus does that serene being, arising from this body, appear in its own form, as soon as it has approached the highest light. He is the highest person (uttama purusha). He moves about there laughing, playing, and rejoicing, be it with women, carriages, or relatives, never minding that body into which he was born."
    Here also we find a subtle similarity with Rigveda's three forms of enjoyment. Some will laugh with women, some with play with women and others will rejoice (?) with them. This perfectly explains what Mod (मोद), Mud (मुद) and Pramud (प्रमुद) denote. In this Upanishad the ultimate enjoyment is called Rammanah (रममाणः). This word is derived from Ramah which means that pleasure which is generated by the affinity between a man and woman. NIrukt, speaking about this word says that Ramah is a woman only for enjoyment and not for any sacred purpose (Nirukt 12:13).

    Katha Upanishad narrates a dialogue between Yama and Nachiketas, the son of Vahasrava. Yama offers Nachiketas three boons. The first two boons are granted by Yama, the third however disturbs Yama, so Yama tries to bargain. Yama says,

    "Whatsoever objects of desire are difficult to obtain in the realm of mortals, ask them all as thou desire; these lovely maidens with their chariots and musical instruments, such as are not obtainable by mortals–be served by these whom I give to thee. O Nachiketas, do not ask regarding death."

  57. VEDA & PARADISE SEX:

    Rigveda 9:113:11
    "Make me immortal in that realm where happiness and transports, where Joys and felicities combine, and longing wishes are fulfilled. Flow, Indu, flow for Indra's sake."

    In this mantra, there is a mention of fulfillment of KAMA (sexual) desires. This mantra also mentions three levels of joy and pleasure viz. Mod (मोद), Mud (मुद) and Pramud (प्रमुद). Let us analyze these three words in the light of Sanskrit lexicons and Vedas. These three words and their derivatives occur more or less 40 times. For example,

    "Those in which Soma joys and is delighted, as a young man with fair and pleasant damsels. Go you to those Waters, O Adhvaryu, and purify with herbs what you infuse." [Rigveda 10:30:5]

    I will not fold mine arms about thy body: they call it sin when one comes near his sister. Not me,-prepare your pleasures with another: your brother seeks not this from you, O fair one." [Rigveda 10:10:12]
    From these references we come to know that although all three words Mod (मोद), Mud (मुद) and Pramud (प्रमुद) denote the intimate joy between a man and woman, however, the word Pramud (प्रमुद) especially denotes sexual intimacy in the Vedas as used in Rigveda 10:10:12, Atharvaved 18:1:13, and Yajurved 30:10. Other than this meaning it has no other meaning in the Vedas. Even Swami Dayanand Saraswati has interpreted Pramud as sexual intercourse in Yajurved 30:10.

    According to the Vedas, humans who inherit Paradise will enter it with all their organs. One particular verse is produced here
    "If Agni Jātavedas, as he bore you hence to the Fathers' world, had left one single limb of your bodies, here do I restore it. Fathers, rejoice in heaven with all your organs!" [Atharvaveda 16:4:64]
    So the private organs will be there in Vedic Paradise. Supporing this view Shatpath Brahman Kaand 10, Adhyay 4, Brahaman 4, Kaandika 4 says,

    "Wherefore let him who knows this by all means practise austerities; for, indeed, when he who knows this practises austerities, even to (abstention from) sexual intercourse, every (part) of him will share in the world of heaven"
    It is clear from these mantras that sexual powers will be present in Vedic Paradise. Now the question is how and for what will these powers be used in Vedic Paradise. Atharvaved 4:34:2 answers this question as,

  58. Who is Brahmin?
    What is most ridiculous about birth-based caste system is that it is based on unverifiable word of mouth. There is no way to decipher if Brahmins of today are actually children of Brahmins of yesteryears. Regardless of whatsoever Gotra or Rishi name one may utter, there is no way to test the veracity of the claim.
    We have already seen plenty of examples of how varna migration used to happen in ancient India. Refer http://agniveer.com/888/caste-system/
    What if I say that Brahmins (birth-based) of today are actually worse than Shudras because they were born of Chandals some 1000 years ago? How can one refute the claim? If you cite that this Brahmin family is of Bharadwaj gotra, I would ask for DNA testing to verify the claim. In absence of it, any claim to superior caste remains merely an empty tall claim.
    Who is Kshatriya?
    Parshuram is alleged to have wiped off all Kshatriyas several times. So obviously Kshatriyas of today are anything but Kshatriyas by birth!
    If one tracks the genealogy of Rajputs, they are supposed to belong to one of the following lineages – Suryavanshi from Sun, Chandravanshi from Moon and Agnikula from fire. Obviously no one actually came from sun or moon on earth! Also Agnikula is a recent origin. Legend says that Agnikula Rajputs sprang from fire when Parashuram wiped off entire Kshatriya or Rajput clan from earth. On many Rajput clans, there is still confusion on whether it is Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi or Agnikula.
    Obviously these recent legends – not to be find in any ancient texts – mean that various people who took up the profession of valour/ military became recognized as Rajputs from time to time.
    Upper-castes may be Chandals
    So if some so-called upper castes can claim some other humans to be lower-caste, even I can assert that these lower-castes are the real Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas. And the upper-castes are actually children of Chandals who usurped power centuries ago and deleted historical records. The recorded history mixed with miraculous stories of origin of certain castes and tribes would only support this assertion.
    Now if that sounds insulting, even calling any human being as lower-caste is equally offensive, if not more.
    Who are Mlechhas among us?
    From evident records of history one knows that Greeks, Huns, Sakas, Mongols etc have been assimilating in Indian society in positions of power. Many of them even had rules over certain parts of India for significant periods and today it is impossible to decipher who among us is a Greek, Hun, Mongol etc. This goes well with the Vedic concept of ‘one humanity-one race’ but blows the very foundations of birth-based caste system. Because for them, these Mlecchas are even worse than the 4 castes!
    In search of technique for caste determination
    Thus forget about caste-system being supported or denied by Vedas. Even that is secondary. We have already seen that Vedas in fact against the very notion of birth-based on gender based discrimination. Refer http://agniveer.com/5276/vedas-caste-discriminati…. What is more important is that there is no way for any of us to determine who among us is actually a high caste and a low caste by genealogy since inception of Vedas. Apart from hollow self-proclaimed assertions, there is nothing more concrete to take anyone’s caste seriously!
    So if Vedas were to justify birth-based caste system, they should also have specified a reliable technique to decide someone’s caste. In absence of that technique, the whole concept of birth-based caste system falls flat.
    So at best one can say that caste system may have been relevant during inception of Vedas, but has no meaning whatsoever today!
    Our stand by the way (based purely on Vedas and logic), is that caste system was never relevant and in fact a distortion of Vedic ideology. And this has been the most expensive distortion for our society that snatched away our entire dignity, strength and future!

  59. Bravo… bravo… your thoughts only have the capacity of thinking of vagina and MORE vagina…
    the truth you are seeking in this world and the world after lies inside Vagina…

  60. Slave mentality, if jizya was good, why does muhammadanism teach that when their Jesus returns he will abolish it? This teaching demonstrates that jizya is evil and those who practiced it are equally evil as well as the person who introduced it.

  61. sunsetsinmuddywater
    Saturday 4 May 2013, 4:52 am

    You and Shabeer are both Muslims because of jizya or may be your foremother was the right hand posession of Mughals.

  62. My support to Stop Islamisation of Nation is more due to this reason, that I do not want any other Islamist like Aurangzeb kill another Sufi like Hazrat Dara Shikoh RA. It has been enough' enough for us suffering from Islamist's bigot bounding of ritualism of worldly things being imposed on us. While Allah is beyond all these materialistic things. These guys have made Islam, the tool of getting political power. Aurangzeb was not an exception. At present cobras and scorpions give company to him in his grave. While Dara reached his target while he was alive. Even by killing his body, his union with eternal has made him eternal.

  63. Good info! I wish that Muslims also reinterpret the term Kafir the way Sufi do it for their own mind. Dear Sanatan Dharma, today I am compelled to say thanks to you.

  64. @vijay
    You are welcome.
    Initiated into the Qadiriya order of Sufis, Dara Shikoh’s work reflects a rare sensitivity towards the esoteric dimensions of faith, which led him to believe that the Dhat-i-bhat, the pure Self, is the common basis of all faiths and disciplines, attainable by complete fanaa or annihilation of the sense-ego.
    His spiritual longing and quest for Haqiqat or Reality and Tawhid or Unity led him to a deep study of the Upanishads, 52 of which he translated from the Sanskrit to Persian, in his Sirr-i-Akbar. The Great Secret. Drawing attention to the “Treasure of monotheism” found in the Upanishads. Dara Shikoh draws parallels between concepts elucidated in the Quran and Upanishads with respect to Tawhid. He assigned the status of “kitab-i-maknun”- ‘well-protected books’-to the Upanishads and the Quran as representing two different facets of that One Self .Dara Shikoh’s attempts to draw these similarities between Vedantic philosophical tradition and ideas embodied in the Quran may have cost him his life, but his exploration was a pioneering effort at religious syncretism.Dara Shikoh’s library at Kasmere Gate in the capital, is in a way understanding a consciousness that dreamt of Universal brotherhood ;whose spiritual restlessness led him to develop into ancient texts to find a mystical bridge between Sufism and Vedantic monotheism. I am a great admirer of Dara Shikoh of all Mogul personalities.Thank U.

  65. @Shabir
    Vedas condemn birth-based caste discrimination http://agniveer.com/vedas-caste-discrimination/

    a. The meaning of four Varnas and Shudra in particular is completely different from what the Macaulay inspired intellectuals would want us to believe.
    b. There is absolutely no element of birth-based discrimination or denial of opportunity for any human being in Vedic way of life.
    c. If there is one text that provides evidence of highest level of meritocracy and equal-opportunity, it is the Vedas. Even the most contemporary texts on human rights cannot come closer.
    Before we begin our journey of solving the caste-puzzle through Vedas, let us start with certain worship mantras from Vedas that mention Shudras:
    Yajurved 18.48:
    O Lord! Provide enlightenment/ compassion to our Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. Provide me also with the same enlightenment so that I can see the truth.
    Yajurved 20.17:
    Whatever crime we have committed against my village, forest or committee; whatever crime we have committed through our organs, whatever crime we have committed against Shudras and Vaishyas, whatever crime we have done in matters of Dharma, kindly forgive us relieve us from the tendency of the same.
    Yajurved 26.2:
    The way I gave this knowledge of Vedas for benefit of all humans, similarly you all also propagate the same for benefit of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Shudras, Vaishyas, Women and even most downtrodden. The scholars and the wealthy people should ensure that they not deviate from this message of mine.
    Atharvaved 19.32.8:
    O Lord! May I be loved by everyone – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Shudra or Vaishya. May I be admired by everyone.
    Atharvaved 19.62.1:
    May all noble people admire me. May kings and Kshatriyas admire me. May all look at me with admiration. May the Shudras and Vaishyas admire me.
    It is clear from these mantras that a Vedic person:
    - seeks to be forgiven for crimes against all including Shudras
    - seeks to propagate Vedas to all including Shudras
    - considers all Varnas – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra to be equal and respects them equally.
    Thus it is clear that as per Vedas, Shudras deserve the same respect as other Varnas and as per Vedic prayer, Shudras are accorded great esteem.
    It is also interesting that in all of these mantras, the word Shudra comes before Vaishya. So one cannot counter-argue that Shudras are given last mention or least preference.
    These are sufficient evidence to conclude that Shudra, as per Vedas, imply something quite different from a caste or community that has to be discriminated against. We shall explore the meaning of Shudra and associated terms like Daas, Dasyu and Anarya, which are often confused to be synonyms, in subsequent articles.

  66. Slave of Prophet
    Friday 3 May 2013, 4:53 am

    @Vinod
    Jizya is a tax charged only non-believers for living in the Islamic state.

  67. Latter on to appease the clerics, Hero of Muslims Aurangzeb restored Ziziya, it is a compulsory tax , while Zakat is 2.5% of income of Muslim for religious purpose. Even in democracy, Muslims give Jakat to their religious people be it India or be it UK. In my case, i had been not giving it more to mosque but to schools/hospitals run by international Sufi organisation catering poor slum people. What i have understood that Jakat should go for the welfare of human, from whichever caste or creed. The mosque which, i had association was Barelvi and when i shared this thing about Jakat with them, they were happy to know this. If a person is poor and has labor only at his disposal and can not give money, he can give some time on Jumma to clean mosque or arrange shoes of people coming to pray. Like Ziziya, there is another tax called Khiraz. which is tribute taken from defeated. Ziziya and Khiraz are medivial things and in past also, time to time abolished. At present, there should be no attempt to justify it. In India, Marthas had Sardeshmukhi and Chauth Tax, while Sikhs had Rakhi and Mamala system, which they adopted after observing Ziziya and Jakat perhaps, but by time, they have abolished them.

  68. I am honored. One of our Sufi Hazrat Dara Shikoh RA was very fond of them and got them translated into Parsi/Persian. His Guru was Hazrat Mia Mir Mohamad Qadari, who laid down the foundation stone of highest Sikh shrine in Amritsar, what many people call golden temple, while Sikh use Sufi term of Darbar Sahib. http://www.mianmir.org/ .

    After seeing the link above, many wahabis will have heart burns. But as you know, bigot Aurangzeb killed his brother Hazrat Dara Shikoh RA. Had he was not killed and became Indian ruler, things would have been different.

  69. @ Vijay
    When you mentioned all these Upanishads,i became emotional,without my knowledge few drops appeared in my eyes.You know these are pearls ,one cannot understand them by simply reading ,you can't imagine even these slave's ,shabeer,and that dart Zokhar Naik any near to its wisdom.To understand these pearls one has to become pearl (Dharana).A lay man can explain these Upanishads without reading them,if he had immersed in self- realization.There are hundreds (118 to be precise)of Upanishads,but most important and frequently referred are few ,which you have mentioned in your post.Thank u.

  70. @Shabeer,

    If Jizya and zakat both are equal, then why Mughal Emperor Akbar abolished and prohibited only Jizya tax in his empire for a period of his regime after understanding administration system of Hemu (Loser in second battle of Panipat) in what way a king need to look after his subjects equally. It means that muslims are discriminated and humiliated in Mughal regime. Don't sugar coat your evil islam cult acts Shabeer. Tell me one thing, that Jizya and zakat is a kind of noble acts instructed by your Allah according to your quran, then such noble act why your Akbar abolished. It means that your quran and his verses are not given by any god it is man made book for selfish interest. That's why jizya got abolished and retain the zakat tax as usual by a true muslim emperor, because he knows your unholy quran and its verses, that it is not a holy book given by god.

  71. If Holy Vedas as per you a giving prophecy for the prophet, then you are justifying them for the books by the God. So all the (mis) interpretations of it could be attributed to your god only. You believe in heavily god and mortal Mohamad, while for us both are light and have no limit as both are united. Attaining Wahadat, while you call us grave worshiper and you follow a mortal Mohmad, while we stay in the contact with The Mohamad who attained immortality.

  72. Sufi has to see the God in all, if following Wahadat Ul Wajud which is similar to Adwait. The concept of Mohhamad(I am not using PBUH here as we are informal with out beloved) is that of a Faqir/person without any wealth. We further do not believe that he started any religion. He are on the target of Islamists who are using the name of the religion for their worldly gain since long. Many of us have died and many still are dieing. Ahle Tauheed(Druze), Ahle Haq, Bahahis, Sikhs etc are those branches of Sufis, who have been separated from present form of Islam, yet they are still Sufis.

  73. Slave of Prophet
    Thursday 2 May 2013, 4:55 am

    @Vijay/Hindu
    Prophet prediction in Veda.
    Yajurveda 12/5
    "Hey man in 7 century in a desert God best messenger will take birth."
    Samveda 12/45
    "The messenger will have long beard"
    Great Arabian will be the witness of messenger.

  74. Vijay if you're a sufi,you still believe that muhammad was the messenger of god?Isn't it against logic?Why not become a secular humanist like all of us ?

  75. I request after the 4 random checks that Abdu Rasul and his brother are spreading lies in the name of so called Hindu texts. I agree to dear chuck that we must not waste our time to follow the red herrings these guys cry. Say if Hindus , Jews or Christians are wrong, their wrong can not justify the demon culture of Wahabis.

  76. Allaouniashad was written much more time after Islam came to India .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopanishad

  77. Who told you that i follow Holy Vedas ?

  78. 1. Bṛhadāraṇyaka
    2. Chāndogya
    3. Aitareya
    4. Taittirīya
    5. Īṣa
    6. Kena
    7. Kaṭha
    8. Praśna
    9. Muṇḍaka
    10. Māṇḍūkya
    11. Śvetāśvatara
    12. Kauśītāki
    13. Maitrāyaṇi
    14. Subāla
    15. Jābāla
    16. Paiṅgala
    17. Kaivalya
    18. Vajrasūcikā
    18 Upnishads are here, which one are you quoting ? shall i quote some Shia text ? will you agree to it ?

  79. hahahah there is no heaven or hell in dharma. you can suck on your shame juice. hahaha
    will your ammi get 72 penises?

  80. @Chuck
    I am sorry, I knew that you will raise this issue.You know these Bushmen are pure from their heart ( it is a beauty that ,he who is unconditional is really a God and,these people are like that ) i am happy that you have decided to spend some part of your life with them. You know we call ourselves civilized ,but in reality these Busmen of Africa and Aborigine's of Australia and Newsstand's are the real civilized people ( long back i read a book called "Mutants Massage Down Under",if time permits please read it ) .Again i am sorry for comparing them with these baboon's

  81. @Sakat,
    Don't insult the Bushmen. I plan to live with them for 3 months to learn what I can from them.

  82. @Chuck
    Do you think ,he understand what your post speaks.These Slave,Shabeer etc,phenomenon's are Bushman's of Africa .They have never ventured out of their den.They don't believe a car ,even if you take them to a jolly drive in your car ,because they are not made to think independently by their prophet and the cult Islam,the existence of car itself either miracle of Allah or a Satanic creation for them and not more then that .They are slave's and always be ,even after thousand years ,when this earth was handed over to them by infidels while migrating to some other planet .

  83. @Slave of Prophet:
    RV: 5:8:2 (Griffith) http://sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv05008.htm
    Thee, Agni, men have stablished as their guest of old, as Master of the household, thee, with hair of flame;
    High-bannered, multiform, distributor of wealth, kind helper, good protector, drier of the floods.

    This is the nature of your 'scholarship'.

  84. @Slave of prophet:
    RV 3:2:1 (Griffith) http://sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv03002.htm
    To him, Vaiśvānara, who strengthens Holy Law, to Agni we present our praise like oil made pure.
    With thoughtful insight human priests bring him anear, our Herald from of old, as an axe forms a car.

    It is that easy to expose your lies.

  85. @Vijay
    In Rigveda 3/2/1

    "Hey man you will get thousands of virgin girl in heaven, river of wine, a lot of fruits etc."

    This is your Vedic heaven?

  86. @Hindu
    Sex with 5 years old Girl in Hindu scripture
    Rigveda 5/8/2
    "Hey Indra go and produce children from you 5 years old girl"

    "Alloupnishad" 2/4/2
    Children born from child bride have divine qualities
    .

  87. @Shabeer
    Bro,
    ____ALL THE PEOPLE ON EARTH R THE SONS OF ADAM[A],THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEIR COLOR ,COUNTRY,ETC___
    You are true partly. But all people are not same. It is colour which differentiate them each-other. Like on the day of Judgment Allah will make face of believers white while non-believers face will be black.
    The divine verse of Quran
    Qur’an 3:106
    On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): “Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith.”

    So, believers and non-believers are not same. Believers are Allah best creation. And Saudi Are above all.

  88. Shabby, you quoted sura 2::256 which calls for no compulsion in religion. How about all the numerous verses which urge continuous war to subdue the infidels until all accept that allah is the only god and Muhammad its prophet? As Chuck has pointed out, that superficial peaceful ayat has been abrogated by many others. This is confirmed by muhammadan 'scholars' held in high esteem by muhammadans.
    Suyuti in Itqaan pt 3:61 wrote:"THE ORDER FOR MUSLIMS TO BE PATIENT AND FORGIVING WAS WHEN THEY WERE FEW AND WEAK, BUT WHEN THEY BECAME STRONG, THEY WERE ORDERED TO FIGHT AND THE PREVIOUS VERSES WERE ABROGATED".
    This has been the guiding principle of muhammadan marauders. In India the usurper sultan Iltutmish, in an answer as to why the Hindus were not given the choice between death and muhammadanism said:"-BUT AT THE MOMENT IN INDIA–THE MUSLIMS ARE SO FEW THAT THEY ARE LIKE SALT IN A LARGE DISH-HOWEVER AFTER A FEW YEARS WHEN IN THE CAPITAL AND THE REGIONS AND ALL THE SMALL TOWNS, WHEN THE MUSLIMS ARE WELL ESTABLISHED AND THE TROOPS ARE LARGE–IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GIVE HINDUS THE CHOICE OF DEATH OR ISLAM".
    Ibn Arabi, another muhammadan 'scholar' said on abrogation"-THE VERSE OF THE SWORD HAS ABROGATED 124 VERSES".
    Muhammadans, who claim that islam allows freedom of choice in religion, are monumental liars who only succeed in fooling those who have determined not to understand muhammadanism as playing along with peace for as long as muhammadans have not mustered enough numerical strength.

  89. I am only randomly checking the stuff he copies and pastes and find him spreading nothing else but falsehood. In Holy Bible we find lord Jesus saying about the person trying to figure out mote in the eye of others and missing the plank in his own eye. Nothing else could be expected from the worshiper of demon Zoker Nalayak sorry Zakir Naik.

  90. Chuck, Shabby does not or pretends not to know of abrogation.These liars are pathetic.

  91. Shabby, you want to know who ordered death to the blasphemers. Whoever wrote the quran did that and it has been implemented by muhammadans even to this day. Are you going to deny that?

  92. Chuck, Shabby copies and pastes.

  93. @Vijay,
    All of these can be suitably answered but don't fall in this trap. Its a common diversionary tactic. Other the fallacy of distraction he employs 'argumentum verbosium'. As far his own knowledge is concerned its nothing. He doesn't know Sanskrit or Arabic (and even English). His hold over science, mathematics, geology are at best dubious.

  94. I am just quoting Manu Samrit 4:163 and 164 to show the how Dear Shabbir is working.163. Let him avoid atheism, cavilling at
    the Vedas, contempt of the gods, hatred, want of modesty, pride, anger, and harshness. 164. Let him, when
    angry, not raise a stick against another man, nor strike
    (anybody) except a son or a pupil; those two he may
    beat in order to correct them. 1

  95. Worshiper of an imaginary an imaginary god, who is restricted in Seventh Sky, have already made their place in hell fire. There are out 72 hell bound sects.

  96. Slave mentality, you said "THEY DO NOT WORSHIP ALLAH NOR BELIEVE IN PROPHET". Why would anyone waste his/her time doing something like that which is not only mundane but heinous? What benefit is there to be gained from worshiping allah, the creation of Muhammad, and the creator himself? Muhammadans have their brain between their legs that is why they are preoccupied with nuptial bliss in 'paradise' with celestial women of the red light district.

  97. Shabby, among the 99 attributes of allah is the one which says that he is the greatest deceiver. You talk about tawheed which means not associating partners with allah. But you muhammadans believe, as was stated by slave mentality, that when allah expresses itself in the plural pronouns it is referring to itself and the angels. So when it says "WE CREATED", it is acknowledging that the angels also took part in conceiving and bringing about creation. This is associating partners with allah. Muhammadans, therefore, commit the cardinal sin of 'shirk'. As shirk is blasphemy and its penalty is death without judgment, all muhammadans deserve to be beheaded or stoned to death. Since non muhammadans are too civilized for such barbarism, the execution of that judgment rests squarely on you muhammadans. It seems you are doing a good job blowing each other up. The only problem one has with it is the slow pace.
    Shamefully, allah, which is supposed to be one, without partners, actually accepts co-equality with the angels it supposedly created. Without the slightest doubt, allah is KAFIR and does not deserve to be worshiped by you muhammadans because it has led you astray. The world is in tumult today because only a fraction of its population follows the sunnah of Muhammad. No imagination can tell what chaos would engulf the world if a few more people were to emulate the evil nature of that impostor.
    If going to paradise will be based on good works alone, then it is not the non muhammdans who will burn in hell for they are the ones who have good deeds as their second nature. What are good deeds to the muhammadan are abominations to all decent human beings. Muhammad is already in hell. What remains is for those who bought into his master deception to join him there and discover that they took themselves consciously to the domain of lucifer, Muhammad's lord and master.

  98. Q 10:99 abrogated by 9:5

  99. @Shabeer,
    //ACCORDING TO ISLAM,PARADISE RESERVED FOR ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREED THREE THINGS ….. 2) HE MUST FOLLOW THE SUNNA OF PROPHET [SA],ALL PART OF HIS LIFE//
    Which means none of the prophets who were born before Muhammad have gone/are going to paradise.

  100. @shabeer,
    Wikipedia isn't anti-islamic. And I have highlighted your own comments to prove my point. Anything that puts islam in the wrong light you would say is Anti-islamic then how will anybody prove anything?

  101. WHO R ORDER DEATH TO BLASPHEMERS

    Rg Veda 6:LXXII:1. GREAT is this might of yours, Indra and Soma: the first high exploits were your own achievements.Ye found the Sun ye found the light of heaven: ye killed all darkness and the Gods’ blasphemers.

    Ath.Veda 12:5:60 O Cow, break thou the head of him who wrongs the Brāhmans,criminal, niggard, blasphemer of the Gods.

    Ath. Veda 5:18:8 His voice an arrow's neck, his tongue a bowstring, his windpipes fire-enveloped heads of arrows,With these the Brāhman pierces through blasphemers, with God-sped bows that quell the hearts within them.

    Atharva Veda 11:2:21 Covet not thou our kine or men, covet not thou our goats or sheep.Elsewhither,strong One! turn thine aim: destroy the mockers' family.

    Bhagavata Purana SB:4:4:17 Sati continued: If one hears an irresponsible person blaspheme the master and controller of religion, one should block his ears and go away if unable to punish him. But if one is able to kill, then one should by force cut out the blasphemer's tongue and kill the offender, and after that one should give up his own life.

    Blasphemers will cook in hell for as long as sun & moon exists (Scientists say sun will exist for another 6 billion years)
    Brahmavaivarta Purana 4.1.61. The pious credits earned in a hundred births are at once destroyed for they who blaspheme Lord Krsna or His saintly devotee.
    62 They are cooked in the terrible hell called Kumbhipaka. They are eaten by worms for as long as the sun and moon exist.
    63 Simply by seeing such a blasphemer all one’s piety is destroyed. If he sees him, a wise man bathes in the Ganga or glances at the sun, and in that way becomes purified.

    Death to those that reject Vedas & the Godless
    written by Wolf2 , April 11, 2012
    Vishnu Purana 3:17 (p.337) This deceptive vision shall wholly beguile the Daityas,so that, being led astray from the path of the Vedas, they may be put to death; for all gods, demons, or others, who shall be opposed to the authority of the Veda,shall perish by my might, whilst exercised for the preservation of the world.

    Don't speak to infidels
    Vishnu Purana 3:18 (p.343)In consequence of the fault committed by Śatadhanu, by speaking to an infidel when he was engaged in a solemn fast, he was born again as a dog.

    Manu 4:163. Let him avoid atheism, cavilling at the Vedas, contempt of the gods,hatred, want of modesty, pride, anger, and harshness.

    Slay godless foes
    Atharva Veda 11:2:23 Homage be paid him with ten Sakvari verses who stands established in the air's mid-region, slaying non-sacrificing God-despisers!

    Rig Veda 7:93:5 When two great hosts, arrayed against each other, meet clothed with brightness, in the fierce encounter.Stand ye beside the godly, smite the godless; and still assist the men who press the Soma.

    Ath Veda 4:30:5 I bend the bow for Rudra that his arrow may strike and slay the hater of devotion.I rouse and order battle for the people,

  102. Islam means submission or peace. It can be said that Islam
    signifies the peace attained by the one who submits the whole of his
    life to the Almighty. Indeed, the Muslim is the one who has surrendered
    his own self to God. To say that one is a Muslim is to so conform one’s
    life along the path of divine guidance. This conformance must first
    germinate in one’s mind. It is the position of the Qur'an that unless
    there is a substantial change in thinking there can be no other change,
    whatsoever, of a fundamental nature. Therefore it does not agree with
    forcing anyone into the religion. In fact, the Prophet, who had struggled
    greatly to convince his own society perchance they came into the fold
    of the true faith, was rebuked by the Qur'an for the mental agony that
    he underwent on realizing that the deniers of truth were not going to
    change their stand, in the following words: “If it had been thy Lord’s
    will, they would all have believed, – all who are on earth! Will
    thou then compel mankind, against their will to believe!” (H.Q.
    10:99)
    The Qur'an makes it very clear that the duty entrusted to the
    messengers, who were appointed for the conveyance of the message
    of the true religion, was restricted to the propagation of the religion
    alone; it never included the coercion of others into the faith : “But
    what is the mission of apostles but to preach the clear message
    ?” (H.Q. 16:35)
    “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
    over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).” (H.Q.42:48)
    The Qur'an repeatedly tells the Prophet that he is only to invite
    people to the true religion; never to compel them to change their faiths.
    “Say: ‘The truth is from your Lord.’ Let him who will, believe,
    and let him who will, reject (it).” (H.Q. 18:29)
    “Therefore do thou give admonition, for thou art one to
    admonish. Thou art not one to manage (men’s) affairs.” (H.Q.
    88:21,22)
    In short, therefore, the messengers had all been only the
    propagators of the true religion. So was it the case with the last
    messenger also. He had the responsibility only of showing the people
    the nature of true religion. The obligation of the believers, too, who
    were conferred the duty of conveying the message of true religion,
    which was perfected through the last messenger, was restricted to
    this purpose alone: the obligation only of enabling others to distinguish
    between truth and falsehood. Not only has the Qur'an not demanded
    the forcible conversion of others, it has also declared that the practice
    of forcible conversion is, in itself, an abomination. “Let there be no
    compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.” (H.Q.
    2:256)

  103. # Shudra are worst of creature as per Islam. They do not worship Allah nor believer in prophet………………….

    “O mankind!
    We created you from a single (pair) of male and female and
    made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other.
    Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most
    righteous of you and God has full knowledge and is well acquainted’’
    (Qur’an 49:13). This verse from the Qur’an shattered
    all vainglorious based on tribe, language and colour. Prophet said:
    “An Arab is not superior to a non-Arab nor a white man to black
    except in righteousness’’ (Muslim, Aboodawood). “Your God is
    one and your father is one. All are from Adam. Adam is from
    soil’’ (Muslim, Aboodawood).
    ALL THE PEOPLE ON EARTH R THE SONS OF ADAM[A],THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEIR COLOR ,COUNTRY,ETC…………ALL R EQUAL………..ACCORDING TO ISLAM,PARADISE RESERVED FOR ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREED THREE THINGS 1) THOUHEED [HE BELIEVE ALLAHA THE CREATOR OF ALL MATERS,HE WORSHIP ONLY TO HIM,HE BELIEVE HIS 99 ATTRIBUTE] 2) HE MUST FOLLOW THE SUNNA OF PROPHET [SA],ALL PART OF HIS LIFE,3) ALL THE ACTION HE DID WITH KINDNESS & PATIENTS,HE EXPECTING ONLY FOR REWARD OF HERE AFTER,NOT THIS PHYSICAL WORLD………………..
    REST OF THEM[WHETHER THEY R JEW,HINDU,CHRISTIAN,WRONG SECT,KABAR WORSHIPERS, EMOTIONALIST,TERRORIST,BIDHA MAKERS,HADEETH REJECTERS, WILL GOING TO HELL……..WHO EVER THEY R……..

  104. plz bring the verses wikipedi@ not @n isl@mic site,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  105. There are more then one "shemales"! I cant stop laughing about the concept of paradise you have.72 virgins is nothing more then superiority of Ahle Sunnat over other sects. It has mystical meaning. Light burps also has meaning of the state of ease after the human soul finds proximity to the God.

  106. @Vijay
    In the Video have only single girl but in heaven we believers in prophet And Allah will get hundreds of such girl who will be virgin too.
    It is mercy of Allah on believers.
    And say truth has come falsehood will perish.

  107. @Shabiir
    Shudra is a caste in Hinduism. Shudra are worst of creature as per Islam. They do not worship Allah nor believer in prophet. They are not allowed to live in the land of believers. Prophet said in his sermon convert all people into islam be it shudra, Hindu, christian, Jew and all. Shudra are not allowed to enter Masjid-al-Haram because they are lower creature. But Islam gives them opportunity to enter in Masjid-al-Haram by accepting Islam and believing in prophet (PBUH).

  108. This your mom only told you that you are pure Arab. Let there be DNA analysis between you and local Halalkhor or out caste Muslim in your area or say with Dom Mirasi. If DNA is found same, then who is to be blamed ? Mia Shabbir was talking about racialism in Hindus? But who is talking racialism here ? What about forcible conversions ? how did Ghaur (old name Mandesh) or Nuristan(old name Kamdesh) or Kalash people become Muslims ? How Gakhur tribe became Muslims ? are you aware how Sikandar Butshikan, Suhbatt and Shah Hamdaan forced Hindus to convert in Kashmir that only 14 families of them were left in Kashmir ? When Muslim converts non Muslims with force, during 1947 in the village of Vaghdas in west Punjab, Hindus were converted and forced to eat beef, this way you will justify but when Sikh will pour pig blood in their baptism water to bring your folks out of ummat, as a retaliation, you will cry victimhood. What you sow shall you reap. Jews, Sikhs and Hindus have never prosecuted Sufis as they never offended anyone, even when they were fighting the other Muslims.

  109. Abdu Rasul may not agree to you. Say both of you are in Saudi Arabia and he has a gun. He will send you to what he think is hell. Pakistanis are in paradise. See[youtube Pwav-kNImio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwav-kNImio youtube] I could not make out whether they are brothers or sisters.

  110. @Shabeer,
    //#The concept was Jizya was to force/coerce non-believers into submission. …WHAT A FOOLISH MAN R U MR.CHUCK//
    I have proved using your own Quran, I have given reference to your own Muslim scholars. But you just can't see and as I have already said elsewhere your own escapes are often deflection to unrelated topics. Very simply put the differences are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya#Comparison_bet

  111. //MR. A SAY " TEA MADE OF SUGAR "[MY OPINION]
    MR.B SAY " TEA ONLY MADE FROM SUGAR "
    MR.C SAY " SUGAR NEVER INCLUDE TEA "[CHUCK OPINION] //
    You have stated my opinion incorrectly. I never said "Sugar never included(d) (IN) tea". This proves your lies :-). I said that no tea-maker will say that "tea is made of sugar WITHOUT DEFINITELY mentioning TEA LEAF". If somebody does that he is incomplete and inconsistent with EVERY recipe of the drink !! Do you disagree?
    So to answer your questions Mr A is incomplete/and inconsistent, Mr B is wrong and Mr C isn't me. If common sense escapes you don't blame it on me.

    //TWISTING THE TOPICS WITH CREATION OF HUMAN TO TEA…SUGAR ARGUMENT,//
    Read back, who brought the Tea and the baker analogy? If bringing these analogies is, in your words "IE U FAILED THE TOPICS", then it proves that you accept that you failed in the argument. Thanks for the confirmation.

    //IF I CONTINUE WITH U,IT MAKE U UTTER FOOLISHNESS TO .SAY LIKE "TEA IS MADE FROM H2SO4,ANIMAL DUNG,HCL,ETC//
    No No actually YOU will say that. For example in your opinion Tea is made of hydrogen will be a perfectly correct scientific statement since sugar contains hydrogen (as indeed even Tea leaf)

  112. Chuck, the writer of that link aptly concluded that those in the west "have eyes and ears but do not see or hear". Miserable apparitions like Obama, the Clintons and their co-travelers in dhimmitude will never believe anything like what the article says even if it is pronounced in their presence. They will insist that such is the opinion of a single or a few misguided elements who should not be used to judge their "great and peaceful' religion". They will instead persecute anyone who disagrees and suppress anything which is contrary to their entrenched position. Claims and slave-like attitude towards the barbaric and ungrateful muhammadans insult human reasoning. It is not only in America that one finds it but in the entire so-called civilized world. It is sickening. Maybe there will be a rethink if a close relative of theirs should fall victim to a jihadist bombing.

  113. @slaveofprophet.
    DEAR BROTHER WE MUSLIM EVER/NEVER SAYS LIKE SOMEONE " are worst of creature " OUR ALMIGHTY ALLHA & OUR PROPHET EVER/NEVER TEACH US LIKE THAT …………………THEY R HUMAN BEING LIKE US ,THEY R OUR BROTHERS/SISTERS ,THEY R CREATION OF ALLHA & SONS OF ADAM[A]……..AS A MORAL HUMAN WE GIVE THE IMPORTANCE OF SENSUAL ,NOT OUR EMOTION,SOME MUSLIM IS THERE AROUND THE WORLD,FOR THEIR EMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES & RESPONSE ,WE TRUE MUSLIM GIVE LOT OF VALUE/EFFORT TO WORLD ……

    # Allah will punish them in eternal hellfire for not worshiping him……….& Pakistan 99% people will be in heaven because they are believer ,while Indian 86% people will be in hell who are Hindu because they do not believe in prophet.

    ALLHA ALMIGHTY THE ULTIMATE DECIDER OF WHO THE PEOPLE GOING TO JANNA&HELL,WE DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE FUTURE ,WE R NOT THE GUSSER/UTIMATE DECIDER THAT THIS MUCH % GOING TO JANNA/THIS MUCH % GOING TO HELL,EVEN PROPHET HAS DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE FUTURE ,WHETHER THEY R GOING TO HELL/HEAVEN[EXCEPT ALLHA SAYS TO HIM 10 OF SAHABHA GOING TO JANNA] .MAY BE SOME PEOPLE WILL COME TO ISLAM,LIVE AS A MUSLIM ,ALLHA FORGIVE THEM,PLZ PRAY FOR THEM…………………..

  114. #The concept was Jizya was to force/coerce non-believers into submission. …………………….WHAT A FOOLISH MAN R U MR.CHUCK…………..ISLAM THE RELIGION OF ALMIGHTY GOD,NOT ANY RACIST GOD LIKE A RAM TO KILL INNOCENT LOWER CAST BOY FOR A BRAHMAN ………….ZAKATH & JAZIYA R COLLECTED FOR POOR PEOPLE,THEIR EDUCATION,HEALTH,BETTER PROGRESS & MAKING SMALL SCALE JOB FOR THEM……….ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC LAW EVERY PERSON HAS RESPONSIBLE TO THEIR PEOPLE,IE ISLAMIC GOVT COLLECTING 2.5 % OF PEOPLE INCOME/ASSET[AFTER ALL MY /DEPENDENT EXPENSE],I HAVE RESPONSIBLE TO POOR PEOPLE FOR LIBERATION OF MY PEOPLE ,LIKE NON MUSLIM R THE CITIZEN OF ISLAMIC COUNTRY ,BY LAW THEIR PROGRESS,THEIR DEVELOPMENT R ALSO THE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOVT ,ISLAM NOT A RACIST RELIGION,NON MUSLIM THEY TOO CITIZEN OF THE COUNTRY,THEY R LOT POOR PEOPLE BELONGS TO THEM,WE COLLECTING ZAKATH/JAZIYA FROM THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE FROM MUSLIM/NON MUSLIM & DISTRIBUTE TO THE POOR PEOPLE ,WHAT WRONG WITH IT?…………….HERE INDIA THERE R 10 MULTY BILLIONAIRE IS THERE ,BUT AT THE SAME TIME 20% PEOPLE [ABOUT 200 MILLION PEOPLE] LIVING NO FOOD ,NO HOME ,NO WATER,NO EDUCATION,NO MEDICINE,MOST OF THEM GOING TO BEGGARS , THEFT,SOME ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ………………………WHO R THE RESPONSIBLE ? TELL ME BROTHER WHO R THE RESPONSIBLE ?……………AT THE SAME TIME 10 MULTY BILLIONAIRE, LIVING THE NEXT STREET…………………..WHY THIS? IE NON MUSLIM GOVT[ES DEMOCRATIC]A HAS NO RESPONSIBLE TO THEIR PEOPLE ,BY LAW ,THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE MONEY FROM 10 MULTY BILLIONAIRE,TO GIVE THE LIBERATION OF POOR …………………LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON THE WESTERN WORLD ,PEOPLE[LOWER CLASS/MIDDLE CLASS] R MARCHING FOR THEIR ECONOMIC RIGHTS ,LOOK AT THE TIME SQUIRE MARCH,ALL THE CITIES OF WESTERN WORLD PEOPLE CONDUCTING MARCH/PROGRAM FOR THEIR ECONOMIC RIGHTS ,DEMOCRACY [IS BEAUTIFUL NAME INVENTED BY CAPITALIST FOR THEIR ALL ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES & MOCKING POOR /MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE ] GOVT MAKING LAW FOR THEM[BILLION RE],WHO R THE ACTUALLY RULING THE DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY? ITS CAPT LIST ,NOT PEOPLE ,AMBANI RULE THE INDIA,HE DECIDED ,WHO R THE INDIAN MINISTERS ,WHO RULE THE COUNTRY,HOW CAN COUNTRY GOING ON?LIKE JEW BILLION RE CONTROLLED THE US GOVT T,ALL THE POLITICIAN R SLAVE OF BILLION RE,IT COMMON IN ALL DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY ,DAY TO DAY THEY R GOING TO MULTI BILLION BUT DAY TO DAY POOR PEOPLE GOING TO UTTER POOR,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HERE ISLAM BEING IDEAL TO ALL PEOPLE ,THEY RECEIVING ONLY [2.5% AFTER ALL THEIR/DEPENDENT EXPENSE] DISTRIBUTE TO POOR PEOPLE…………….

  115. ISLAMIC GOVT AUTHORITY KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMIC CAPACITY OF NON MUSLIM,THEY COLLECTING JAZIYA /ZAKATH ACCORDING TO THEIR ECONOMIC CAPACITY,SUPPOSE A PERSON LIKE TO GIVE MORE THAN THE GOVT ORDERED THEM,IT TOO RECEIVED FROM THEM,THERE IS NO LAW FOR REJECT THE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE[BOTH 2.5% & ABOVE AGREED]
    NOT JAZIYA FOR CHILDREN,WOMEN…………
    Malik Muwatta

    Book 17, Number 17.24.46:
    Malik said, "The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty. The people of dhimma and the magians do not have to pay any zakat on their palms or their vines or their crops or their livestock. This is because zakat is imposed on the muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them.
    People of the Book and magians do not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops. The sunna still continues like that. They remain in the deen they were in, and they continue to do what they used to do.

    #While there is nothing to compel a Muslim man to pay his due (Zakat)
    "The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for) the wayfarers; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is knower, Wise." (The Holy Qur'an 9:60).

    The obligatory nature of Zakat is firmly established in the Qur'an, the Sunnah (or hadith), and the consensus of the companions and the Muslim scholars. Allah states in Surah at-Taubah verses 34-35: "O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah. announce unto them a most grievous penalty – On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, their flanks, and their backs.- "This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!" (The Holy Qur'an 9:34-35).
    ‘Those who believe and do good deeds, and observe Salat, and give Zakat, will be rewarded by Allah; they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. (Baqarah: 277).
    Saheeh Muslim

    Book 001, Hadith Number 0029.
    ——————————
    Chapter : Command for fighting against the people so long as they do not profess that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger.

    It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as Zakat) but now they have withheld it. Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.

  116. BROTHER MOHIT: U'R @RGUMENT I ANSWERED PLZ READ ALL MY REPLAY TO CHUCK…………

    PLZ USE U'R COMMON SENSE IE FIRST CREATION[ADAM[A]] : SOUNDING CLAY, dust,earth RELATED TO SOIL & WATER ….
    REST OF HUMAN [SEXUAL REPRODUCTION]:A blood clot, a drop of thickened fluid ,[@LL RELATED TO DIFFERENT PART OF REPRODUCTION ,A ADVICE TO U& CHUCK ,TAKE 5TH STD BIOLOGY BOOK[LOOK THE CHAPTER SEXUAL REPRODUCTION IN HUMAN & READ IT]
    quran talking about the creation of human two types 1) the first creation 2) human born from the sexual reproduction,criticizer mixed WITH THESES TWO,& make confusion to people.

    nothing [19:67]#PLZ BEH@VE LITTLE BIT COMMON SENSE WITH MUSLIM,BEFORE COPY/POSTING ZOMBIEES SITE BROTHER PLZ OPEN THE QURAN & READ WHAT THE SENSE QURAN REVILED THE VERSES.

    19:65. Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, so worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient in His worship. Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (of course none is similar or coequal or comparable to Him, and He has none as partner with Him). [There is nothing like unto Him and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer].

    66. And man (the disbeliever) says: "When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

    67. Does not man remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
    HERE ALLHA NEVER SAYS LIKE ' I CREATED HUMAN WITH NOTHING ',BUT THE VERSES SAYS BEFORE THE ADAM[A], THEY R NOTHING ,THAT MEANS BEFORE THE ADAM[A],THERE IS NO HUMAN IN OUR UNIVERSES ,IE HE CREATED ADAM[A] WITH DUST & WATER…………..

    @CHUCK

    MY DEAR BROT/SIS I ASK U A COMMON QUESTION …………….

    SUGAR IS ONE OF THE INGREDIENT OF TEA[MOST OF THEM USED IT]

    MR. A SAY " TEA MADE OF SUGAR "[MY OPINION]
    MR.B SAY " TEA ONLY MADE FROM SUGAR "
    MR.C SAY " SUGAR NEVER INCLUDE TEA "[CHUCK OPINION]

    WHO R RIGHT ? & WHO R THE WRONG?

    PLZ USE U'R COMMON SENSE,DURING MY LAST COMMENTS I SAYS TO CHUCK,THE OPINION OF MR.A IE [ TEA MADE OF SUGAR] IS ONLY TRUE,WHAT WRONG WITH IT?

    WE KNOW " TEA ONLY MADE FROM SUGAR " IS WRONG ,BEC'S TEA POWDER,MILK,WATER,ETC R ALSO INGREDIENT OF TEA……..

    LIKE WE KNOW " SUGAR NEVER INCLUDE TEA " IS WRONG ,BEC'S 100% OF HUMAN BEING ARE NOT DIABETIC PATIENTS,LOT PEOPLE INCLUDE THE SUGAR WITH THEIR TEA……………

    I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS THE PLACE MR.CHUCK LEAR THE COMMON SENSE ,SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE & BASIC EDUCATION…………..

    #Once he loses the argument he (as indeed most Muslims) would suddenly stop responding on the thread…………………..
    WE R THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ANSWERING THE QUESTION ,NOT FOR RESPONDING THE IGNORANT / FOOLISH COMMENTS,& TWISTING THE TOPICS WITH CREATION OF HUMAN TO TEA…SUGAR ARGUMENT,IE U FAILED THE TOPICS ,HANG WITH FOOLISH ARGUMENT,IE NONE OF HUMAN AGREED "SUGAR NEVER INCLUDE TEA"……..IF I CONTINUE WITH U,IT MAKE U UTTER FOOLISHNESS TO .SAY LIKE "TEA IS MADE FROM H2SO4,ANIMAL DUNG,HCL,ETC………

  117. Chuck, JAWOHL. Historians have recorded how those taxes worsened an already deplorable caste system in India. People were taxed into penury and had to sell all their possessions before giving themselves up as indentured slaves. Those who had nothing to sell had to sell their children to meet the insatiable/voracious appetites of the muhammadan invaders. Many killed themselves or took to banditry to barely survive. Upon all these, millions of hapless Hindus were sold into slavery while millions more were massacred. In many instances, conversion to the murderous faith did not bring any reprieve. In less than five hundred years, the well developed Indian culture, with its advanced educational system, was reduced to rubble. Universities, which had existed for centuries, were razed to the ground and replaced with madarassas which taught the utmost stupidity. The Indian population fell by a whooping 80 million within the period. Meanwhile, the invading hoards, with no positive contribution to humanity, lived in opulence and built magnificent edifices, such as the Taj Mahal, for themselves, children, wives and concubines.
    In spite of such glaring perpetuation of evil, some pig heads still refer to this filth as a "great, peaceful and progressive religion". WHY ARE PEOPLE SO BLIND AND STUPID?

  118. @I-HATE-ISLAM,
    And here's another report echoing both: 1. How the true muslim sees Jizya as, 2. How a correct interpretation of the relevant verses renders all the shabeer-like arguments hollow: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/musl

    The last 2 paras are really telling

  119. @I-HATE-ISLAM
    Dankeschon!!
    It is always easy to catch the logical fallacies employed by people like Shabeer. There own scriptures expose them rather poorly. Doesn't matter how well they think they have wrapped it the stink always spoils their argument. The jizya was never only collected from the "people of the book". Aurangzeb was certainly far more educated in Islam than Shabeer, he imposed a huge jizya on Hindu subjects, similarly the modern day Taliban (and its commanders are all true Islamists) imposed jizya on Sikhs .. none of them qualify as "people of the book".

  120. Chuck, "-THE JIZYA WAS IMPOSED TO 'HUMBLE THEM' IN YOUR OWN, COPY PASTED, WORDS.
    Thanks for giving me such a big laugh. Anyone who remotely thinks that muhammadanism/muhammadans are not evil and liars should cure his/her ignorance or gullibility from the words of Shabby you have quoted. In an earlier post he held that the jizya was a benevolent tax imposed on the 'people of the book'. Truth can never be hidden for ever. It must eventually come out without blemish. In this case, the truth has come out in Shabby's "own, copy pasted words". This confirms what the worthless quran says on the subject. Thanks again, buddy.

  121. Dear Abdu Rasul, As you said that you will get eternal paradise while living in present hell like life in Pakistan. So do Fidaideen(Islamic Suicide) bombers also think like you ? Do you have a similar plan to reach paradise fast with such way while helping others infidels to reach hell fast? Who will you choose? Non Wahabi Muslims ? Pakistani or Indian leaders ? all non Muslims ? Can you elaborate ?

  122. Mohit, you should have added that muhammadanism has nothing to with even common sense. It only exists to destroy.

  123. @Mohit.
    //Only a camel rider would agree that blood and dust is same? ///
    Read on, he goes on to claim that tea is made of sugar:-). Once he loses the argument he (as indeed most Muslims) would suddenly stop responding on the thread. This has happened in the past. You will find some discussions I had with @AminRiadh and @zitouni with similar results.

  124. @Slave of Prophet
    //Prove you a human responding to me? Prove you are alive?//
    I didn't make a claim, you did. The proof of burden lies with you!! But suppose I am a software, does that in anyway make your claims true?

    //In Islam soul will remain in eternal hell/heaven hereafter. Soul will get body again hereafter in which it will enjoy / suffer result of its deed. //
    I will get to this fallacious concept later. First you answer my old question is the Judgement in finite time or infinite time with Quranic references. Once you answer this question with scriptural evidences we can proceed further to what allegedly happens after the Judgement Day.

  125. So you have agreed by this that your way of life is misfit for the present world. But you have greed for paradise. Will you not get bored with having materialistic comforts there ? As per Ahle Sunnat Wahabis do not worship Allah of the prophet PBUH but of the Pagan Arabs, so your Allah has a form. Next when you will face the suffering in grave, you will remember me but i may not help you. Still do Salat of Tauba and seek refuge from Satan to the God.

  126. Prove you a human responding to me? Prove you are alive? Ask something batter. You are a soul and soul never dies. In Islam soul will remain in eternal hell/heaven hereafter. Soul will get body again hereafter in which it will enjoy / suffer result of its deed. So, bro focus on the worship of Allah and belief in prophet to get eternal heaven. How so much misery Muslim are facing here but hereafter they all will enjoy eternal peace and enjoyment.

  127. @slaveofprophet,
    Prove afterlife. Prove that Quranic Allah will be the master of ceremony on the Judgement Day. You are yet to tell me when the Judgement Day is going to be in finite time or after infinite time?

  128. @denialisnoproof
    I belongs to Arabs. My ancestors were Arab. I am pure Muslim. In the subcontinent true/pure Muslim are only few. 99% Muslims of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh are decedent of Hindu. In ancient time when Hindu came to know that Allah had sent the messenger with the instructions, Hindu converted into Islam and fortunately became follower of prophet (PBUH). Rest of Hindu did not converted always created problem for converted Muslims. It is very shameful act of fanatics Hindus.

  129. slave of child rapist prophet.
    when your ammi does halala sex to remarry your father even in this 21st century your allah is pleased to give 72 male virgins to your mother in his eternal brothel of perpetual penises. allah is a randi supplier for a 56 year old bastard mohammad who raped a 9 year old girl like a hungry rapist.
    5 pillars of jizzlam are camel urine, halala rape, mutah , kissing vaginal shaped stone of kaba. eating mohammads excreta.
    people of pakistan are masturbating seeing your ammis halal mujra.

  130. Slave mentality, you accused the Hindus of worshiping idols for which they will burn in hellfire while the Pakistanis will be in paradise. It is better to talk of the known and leave the unknown for now. At the moment the Pakistanis are in hellfire with all the bombings around them daily. The Indians would have been in paradise had they not foolishly allowed the sons of satan in the midst. Still India is a much more peaceful place than muhammadan Pakistan. It can be seen that the Pakistanis have already started having their taste of hellfire here on earth. Muhammad said that all his followers will first pass through hell before being rescued. Given that he was very frugal with the truth, he refused to make it clear that none of you will ever leave hellfire. That was why, towards the end of his life, he said that he did not know what allah would do to him. If he was ignorant of his fate, what assurance did he have to give to his followers? NONE.

  131. misyar mutha child prostitutes of islamic republics are missing here.

  132. @Shabbir
    Bro, these Hindu are worst of creature. They do not worship Allah nor believe in prophet. Allah will punish them in eternal hellfire for not worshiping him. These Hindu can worship cow but not the creator Allah. Shame on these Hindus. Pakistan 99% people will be in heaven because they are believer while Indian 86% people will be in hell who are Hindu because they do not believe in prophet. How Much India claim they are much batter people than Pakistanis but after life pakistani people will in heaven haaaaaaaaaaaa

  133. " What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]

    I wonder, if three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?

    If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"? "

    WTF ?

    Only a camel rider would agree that blood and dust is same? He is giving a bad example of bread. Flour, wheet, etc have atleast some connection but clay, blood, dust.. what the hell..

    And then he say that al man become dust in the grave so man is made of dust.. is there any sense in it..??? If Bread is rotten and it gets fungus then would you say that Bread is made of fungus..???

    A Good Muslim is a bad scientist and vice versa..

    Islam is nothing but a cult for political supremacy.. It has nothing to do with morality, science ,etc..

  134. http://ecer-org.eu/report-of-the-4th-internationa… Just have a look and find Hindu leader joining the worship from the ethnic faiths of the world over. Hazrat Ibn Arabi were not Indian. Lord Jesus is respected in Their Bhavishya Puran. What you think is contradiction, they consider it as mutual tolerance. Which Wahabis son of bitches ,bloody bastards, pigs do not know. Their children are become pagans within their nation of Saudi, secret Ma Abads are a common things and soon their royal family will be exposed for their shirk.

  135. @Shabeer,
    Are you saying Shia originated from India? What has Vijay's quoting Shia source to do with India, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc? And if there are great many sects in the Indo-East Asian religious system there are even greater number of sects within Islam. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not but Shiaism is a sect of Islam, period.

  136. Now lets see some of your quotes:
    //not to tax (overburden) them beyond their capabilities//
    This is equivalent to say that 1 equals 1. if I have 100 $ YOU CAN'T take more than 100 $. So if you take 100 $ then obviously in Islamic terms you haven't overburdened me :-). That is stating the obvious.

    //I did not mind dealing (bargaining) with anyone of you, …. the Muslim official would compel him to pay me what is due to me//
    Absolutely. While there is nothing to compel a Muslim man to pay his due (Zakat), except his Islam, a Christian will be compelled/forced by the Muslim official to pay (what the regime thinks is) his due.

    // relieve any people who payed the jizya from paying the jizya if they became muslims. //
    This further proves what I was saying all along. The concept was Jizya was to force/coerce non-believers into submission.

    //This is because zakat is imposed on the muslims … whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them. //
    And this kills the whole argument. The Jizya was imposed to "humble them" in your own, copy pasted, words.

  137. @Shabeer,
    How do they relate to what I was saying when I said "You don't have to press this point , it proves nothing. "? The point was, if I assume that Jizya had some exemptions, and it is point to boast about then Zakat also provides for Nisab, which is also an exemption and hence the very basis of boasting about exemption is shaky!!

  138. #meat eater & seller………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rig Veda 10.86.14 [Indra speaks :] The worshippers dress for me fifteen (and) twenty bulls : I eat them and (become) fat, they fill both sides of my belly ;Indra is above all (the world).
    Atharva Veda 6.71.1 What food I eat of varied form and nature, food whether horse, sheep, goat, or bullock…

    Rig Veda 1.162.2-3 What time they bear before the Courser, covered with trappings and with wealth, the grasped oblation, the dappled goat goeth straightforward, bleating, to the place dear to Indra and to Pūṣan. Dear to all Gods, this goat, the share of Pūṣan, is first led forward with the vigorous Courser, while Tvaṣṭar sends him forward with the Charger, acceptable for sacrifice, to glory.
    Rig Veda 5.29.8 When thou [Indra] three hundred buffaloes’ flesh hadst eaten, and drunk, as Maghavan, three lakes of Soma, All the Gods raised as ’twere a shout of triumph to Indra praise because he slew the Dragon.
    Rig Veda 1.161.10 One pours the red water, (the blood), upon the ground ; one cuts the flesh, divided into fragments by the chopper; and a third separates the excrement from the other parts f in what manner may the parents (of the sacrifice) render assistance to their sons?
    Rig Veda 10.94.3 Loudly they speak, for they have found the savoury meath: they make a humming sound over the meat prepared. As they devour the branch of the Red-coloured Tree, these, the well-pastured Bulls, have uttered bellowings.
    Now the verses I mentioned clearly speaks about meat consumption, Have a look at what other scriptures says on slaughtering cows

    Satapatha Brahman 6:2:2:11. The Karakas slaughter (a he-goat) for Pragâpati, saying, ‘Pragâpati, having built up the fire-altar (agni), became Agni. When he slaughters that [goat] one, then indeed he reaches the end of Agni (the fire-altar).’

    Shukla Yajur Veda 2.5.5 On the full moon (the Soma) is pressed for the gods; during this half-month it is pressed forth for them, and a cow for Mitra and Varuna is to be slaughtered for them at the new moon. In that he sacrifices on the day before…In that he sacrifices at the new moon with clotted curds for Mitra and Varuna, the cow which is slaughtered for the gods becomes his also.

    Shukla Yajur Veda 2.2.9 At the time of the (offering of the) cow, he should offer on one potsherd to Mitra and Varuna, this (offering) corresponds to his foe’s cow which is to be slaughtered

    there are few verses which prohibits eating meat but they have historical contexts and explanations for instance, it’s mentioned in the Vedas

    Rig Veda 10.87.16 The fiend [non Aryan, Dasu, Rakshas, Mleccha] who smears himself with flesh of cattle, with flesh of horses and of human bodies, Who steals the milch-cow’s milk away, O Agni,-tear off the heads of such with fiery fury.

    Atharva Veda 1.16.4 If thou [Foreigners] destroy a cow of ours, a human being, or a steed, We pierce thee with this piece of lead so that thou mayst not slay our men.
    Rig Veda 4.18.13 In deep distress I cooked a dog’s intestines. Among the Gods I found not one to comfort. My consort I beheld in degradation. The Falcon then brought me the pleasant Soma.
    Rig Veda 1.162.9 Whatever the flies may eat of the raw flesh of the horse; whatever (grease) is smeared upon the brush or upon the axe ; (what is smeared) upon the hands or the nails of the immolator, may all this be with thee, (horse), among the gods.

    The people among whom the Veda swere composed, as here introduced to us, had evidently passed the normadic stage. Their wealth consisted of Horses, Cattle, Sheep, Goats and Buffaloes. Coined money, and indeed money in any shape, was unknown. We meet but two allusions to gold, except for the purpose of ornaments. The cow was to the Vedic Hindu at once food and money.
    William page 87, William butler, Land of the Veda: Being Personal Reminiscences of India

  139. #People indulge in sex with children………….HELPING HINDU…………………PLZ READY FOR KILLING REAL PEDOPHILES & RAPERS:

    RANK COUNTRY AMOUNT

    1 United States of America 93883
    2 Australia 18237
    3 United Kingdom 13272
    4 France 10408
    5 Germany 8766
    6 Russian Federation 8185
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
    RANK 1:
    Thailand: A study of the black market by the International Labor Organization in Thailand in 1998 estimates that prostitution represents 10-14% of the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the country in 1998. It is believed that one-third of Thai prostitutes, 24,000-40,000, are minors, sometimes abducted and sold. More than one-quarter are infected with HIV.

    RANK 2:
    India: According to UNICEF, India is one of the countries with the most child prostitutes. According to a study from the magazine India Today, between 400,000 and 500,000 children are prostitutes in India.

    RANK 3:
    Cambodia: One-third of 50,000 to 70,000 of prostitutes are children. http://www.fondationscelles.org/index.php?option=
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
    Child sex tourism :

    Thailand : 40% of prostitutes are child in Thailand
    Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
    Cambodia: 1/3 of prostitutes are child
    India : 1.2 million child prostitutes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_of_chilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

    PLUS
    REMEMBER DELHI CHILD RAPER MANOJ KUMAR & PRADEEP KUMAR ARE POLICE CUSTODY ……… DON'T LEAVE THEM TOO……………

  140. #i quote some Shia source here, which say(Astagfurallah)……………PLZ DON'T MIX TEA & COFFEE WITH SAME CUP……….ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC LAW WE EVER AGREED THE SHIA LAW,ITS A DEVIATED SECT FROM THE MUSLIM, THERE IS NO RELATION WITH ISLAM & SHIA ,BUT HERE HINDU /BUDH/SICK/SHIVA/CHARVAK[PURE ATHEIST],ARYA SAMAJ,VISHNAVA,BOUDHAM,ADHOYDHAM,ETC ……….EVEN QHADIYANISM[A WRONG SECT FROM ISLAM] PART OF HINDUISM………….I DON'T UNDERSTAND ,HOW CAN A PURE ATHEISM ,PURE THEISM GOING ON THE SAME SHIP………………….OTHER MIRACLE WAS HINDUISM BELIVE/AGREED THE ORIGIN OF DIVINITY ONLY FROM INDIA,THEY NEVER BELIEVE , FOREIGN RELIGION ,AT THE SAME TIME THEY AGREED ATHEIST /QHADIYANISM,BEC'S IT MADE FROM INDIA ,WHAT THE LOGIC WAS THAT?…………………THAT THE PURE RACISM…………..

    THERE IS ANY COMMON BELIEVE IN HINDUISM ,ANY BELIEVE ,THE CONTRADICTION EXIST FROM THE WORD 'HINDU' TO SALIVATION OF HUMAN……………………

  141. #You don't have to press this point , it proves nothing.
    Saheeh Bukhari

    Volume 2, Book 23, Number 475:

    Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun Al-Audi:

    I saw 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (when he was stabbed) saying, "O 'Abdullah bin 'Umar! Go to the mother of the believers Aisha and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sends his greetings to you,' and request her to allow me to be buried with my companions." (So, Ibn 'Umar conveyed the message to 'Aisha.) She said, "I had the idea of having this place for myself but today I prefer him ('Umar) to myself (and allow him to be buried there)." When 'Abdullah bin 'Umar returned, 'Umar asked him, "What (news) do you have?" He replied, "O chief of the believers! She has allowed you (to be buried there)." On that 'Umar said, "Nothing was more important to me than to be buried in that (sacred) place. So, when I expire, carry me there and pay my greetings to her ('Aisha ) and say, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asks permission; and if she gives permission, then bury me (there) and if she does not, then take me to the grave-yard of the Muslims. I do not think any person has more right for the caliphate than those with whom Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) was always pleased till his death. And whoever is chosen by the people after me will be the caliph, and you people must listen to him and obey him," and then he mentioned the name of 'Uthman, 'Ali, Talha, Az-Zubair, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf and Sad bin Abi Waqqas.

    By this time a young man from Ansar came and said, "O chief of the believers! Be happy with Allah's glad tidings. The grade which you have in Islam is known to you, then you became the caliph and you ruled with justice and then you have been awarded martyrdom after all this." 'Umar replied, "O son of my brother! Would that all that privileges will counterbalance (my short comings), so that I neither lose nor gain anything. I recommend my successor to be good to the early emigrants and realize their rights and to protect their honor and sacred things. And I also recommend him to be good to the Ansar who before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith. He should accept the good of the righteous among them and should excuse their wrongdoers. I recommend him to abide by the rules and regulations concerning the Dhimmis (protectees) of Allah and His Apostle, to fulfill their contracts completely and fight for them and"""""""""""""" not to tax (overburden) them beyond their capabilities.""""""""""""""""

    Also see (Volume 5, Book 57, Number 50)

    Volumn 009, Book 088, Hadith Number 208.
    —————————————–
    Narated By Hudhaifa : Allah's Apostle related to us, two prophetic narrations one of which I have seen fulfilled and I am waiting for the fulfillment of the other. The Prophet told us that the virtue of honesty descended in the roots of men's hearts (from Allah) and then they learned it from the Qur'an and then they learned it from the Sunna (the Prophet's traditions). The Prophet further told us how that honesty will be taken away: He said: "Man will go to sleep during which honesty will be taken away from his heart and only its trace will remain in his heart like the trace of a dark spot; then man will go to sleep, during which honesty will decrease further still, so that its trace will resemble the trace of blister as when an ember is dropped on one's foot which would make it swell, and one would see it swollen but there would be nothing inside. People would be carrying out their trade but hardly will there be a trustworthy person. It will be said, 'in such-and-such tribe there is an honest man,' and later it will be said about some man, 'What a wise, polite and strong man he is!' Though he will not have faith equal even to a mustard seed in his heart." No doubt, there came upon me a time when I did not mind dealing (bargaining) with anyone of you, for if he was a Muslim his Islam would compel him to pay me what is due to me, and if he was a Christian, the Muslim official would compel him to pay me what is due to me, but today"""""""""""""' I do not deal except with such-and-such person""""""""""""

  142. so good to know abt REAL ISLAM………………… thanx for the site…………

  143. @Shabbir
    Rigveda verse 6/44/17 is addressing to King. Verse is saying King should not let alive the people in the kingdom (Anarya/Criminals/ pedophilia) who are enemy of humanity. People indulge in sex with children, terrorist, meat eater & seller are the enemy of humanity. If king of Saudi Arbia would have followed the verse he could have saves life of lacs of people of Saudi Arabia from narcissistic and pedophilia prophet of Islam.

  144. Chuck, when he does that, he thinks that people are taken in and do not see the trick.See how he tries to glorify the ransom money(to borrow from you) by 'explaining' how it is spent for the benefit of the non muhammadan.

  145. Dear Shabir, why should i ponder upon the Hindu texts ? I just wanted you to see the misquote you made of Brahm Sutra Bhashya. Melechha is the term used as separate from Buddhists and Jains in Kalki Purana. Fact is I am my self a Malechha as per that. Srimad Bhagvat Purana, tells that weather a Malechha or Chandala, those who ever take the shelter of the God's name get salvaged. Padma Purana has written about the Muk Chandala, getting the status of Brahmin just by serving his parents. Butcher from Sind province, Sri Saghan or Sadna/Saiyyadina got Brahmin status, who was in fact a Muslim Kureshi and learned divine meditation from Ramanada. He was better then intellectual Sudra like Pandit Nehru. I am not giving you any text numbers so that you read the Puranas yourself. You will get the views of the Lord Krishna about idol worship in 11th shoulder/Skandha of Srimad Bhagwat Purana, where he says that if you do not see the God which is in you and in rest of the creation, there is no worth to worship idol. When you start to see the God in you in all, there is no need to worship the idol.As i told you before that there are more then one versions of most of the Vedas and Even Manu Samriti. Each sects of their followers have different interpretation and understanding. If i quote some Shia source here, which say(Astagfurallah) that Hazrat Aysha RA poisoned prophet PBUH, will you deem it as authentic Islamic source. There are many so called Hindus, who oppose Holy Vedas and go after Tantras. They have Shakt Agams. They use wine, women and flesh in indulgence and while living in such conditions try to meditate. I got a chance to teach this system to one of the Imam Sahib of Ahle Sunnat, who was also a Sufi from Tagia Silsilah about this system. For me a person who follows the book, is same like Jews of Holy Kuran, who are equated like ass laden with books.Vedas of Sanatanis and Arya Samaj are different as the Holy Kuran of Submitters and Salafis is different. As you will not agree to submitter calling them anti Islam, many so called Hindu blame each other as Anti Vedas. But in present modern age like Rashad Khalifa was killed by own Muslims, Hindus do not kill each for trivial things, nor does Sufi do this. Will you testify here to say that people who killed Rashad Khalifa were son of pigs ? They did something anti Islamic ?

  146. @I-HATE-ISLAM
    For once you are wrong in saying "as naive as you are.". Shabeer isn't naive, if he were he wouldn't have been trying to deflect on a separate topic…typically with Shabeer, as indeed with many people like him, you start discussing one point and you will soon find him starting to veer toward unrelated stuffs like alleged wrong-doings of the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist etc etc. This is not being naive, naive people are typically not as inventive.

  147. Shabby,
    You possibly think that every body is as naive as you are. When the non muslim pays protection money, who is he being protected from? Is it that he is paying the same govt to protect him from itself? Jizya is extortion. That is why the quran says that the payer does so in total humiliation. You should read the 16 points agreement Umar signed with some Christian group and see a typical example of what muhammadan freedom means to a non muhammadan who cannot repair his place of worship let alone putting up new structures. A modern day example are the Coptic Christians in Egypt. To show that you are not lying, mention one instance when the jizya money was spent building temples and churches. Have you read M.A. Khan's book on how muhammadanism devastated India and turned a once culturally rich country into wasteland? Being a muhammadan, whose origin is in the desert of Arabia, such an illuminating account of the wickedness of your forebears will make no impression on you. Nothing is more insensitive than muhammadanism.

  148. @Shabeer,
    //HOW CAN AN ANTI ISLAMIC SITE LINK EVIDENCE FOR THE SAUDI RULE //
    The Hedaya is anti-islamic? how' Which Anti Islamic site did I link to in that post. One is the tax rates in Saudi Arabia and the other is the Hedaya. And the Hedaya is an Islamic law book. Jizyah is not just a tax whichever way you put it.

    // (1) Provide protection for them since they are a minority; (2) Provide means for them to practice their religions freely by building Temples or Churches for them. //
    1 is right. It is a protection money. What kind of government requires ransom to be paid by its citizens? 2 is completely wrong, in an Islamic country non muslims aren't allowed to build temples or churches or even publically practice their religion. You just have to stay 1 day in Saudi Arabia to know that!!

    //As I mentioned above for the non-Muslims, there are exemptions for the poor, for females and children //
    And for muslims also there are exceptions and then there is the Nisab. You don't have to press this point , it proves nothing.

  149. @Shabeer,
    //i'm talking about the tea//
    I am also. Nobody will say that tea is made of sugar. Sugar isn't a mandatory ingredient at all. If you simply say that tea is made of sugar people won't laugh at you, they will pity you and may be ask somebody to take you to a mental asylum.

    //i never say "Allah didn't create other races which didn't come out of Adam"//
    I will quote exactly what you wrote before 17:70:
    "Allah Almighty created all of the races and genders. Even though Adam peace be upon him was the first Mankind-Creation by Allah Almighty, but no one is really certain that all of us came from his loin. In other words, it is possible that Allah Almighty later on created more people and more races after Adam and Eve and their children. "

    Now coming back to the point I made if it is correct that all the progeny of Adam have been/will be receiving At-Taiyibât , where is the need to convert to Mohamadinism? After all we all came from Adam according to you. I see absolutely no reason then for Mohamadinism.

  150. #crimes like rape, Sex slavery, looting, child-abusing, etc. READY FOR KILLING HINDU SCHOLARS /PEOPLE/UR'SELF:
    RAPE&Sex slavery&child-abusing
    Mahabharata XLIV (p.18)A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.
    Sacred Laws of Arya:Gautama 18:21. A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty
    1000 child sex slaves
    Mahabharata 1:CCXXII And he of eyes like lotus-petals also gave unto them a thousand damsels well-skilled in assisting at bathing and at drinking, young in years and virgins all before their first-season, well-attired and of excellent complexion, each wearing a hundred pieces of gold around her neck, of skins perfectly polished, decked with every ornament, and well-skilled in every kind of personal service.
    n the Brhadārankyaka Upanishad scripture(advocating rape):Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: “I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor (6.4.9,21).
    Quote:
    In Dharmasastra, which is a Hindu moral and legal text(all women are whores):Good looks do not matter to them, nor do they care about youth; ‘A man!’ they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their naturallack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established. Manusmrti 9:14-18.
    Quote:
    In Dharmasastra(women need to be kept under control)Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. — Manusmrti 9:2-4.
    Quote:
    In the Vedas:”Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ — Rig Veda 8:33:17.
    Quote:
    In the Purunas(Hindu Gods Rape Gautama’s wife)Formerly the gods lusted for Gautama’s wife and raped her, for their wits were destroyed by lust. Then they were terrified and went to the sage Durvasas [an incarnation of Siva], who said, ‘I will remove all your defilements with the Satarudriya Mantra [an ancient Saiva prayer].’ Then he gave them ashes which they smeared upon their bodies, and their sins were shaken off. — Padma Purana 4:101:174-9.

  151. “If shudra talk against the Brahmin suddenly cut his Tongue, if he try to beat (action is enough) to Brahmin by his hand or leg, Brahmin suddenly cut that (hand or leg) body part as soon as possible “(manusmrithi 8:279-283)
    "Now people here
    whose conduct is good can
    expect to quickly attain a
    pleasant birth, like that of a
    Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the
    Vaisya. But people of evil conduct
    can expect to enter a foul womb,
    like that of a dog, a pig, or a
    Chandala"(Chhandogya Upanisad 5.10,7)
    : “ The punishment for the Kshatriya who insults the Brahman is one hundred coins; for the Vaishya it will be two hundred coins and for the Shudra it will be the whip. If the Brahman were to insult the Kshatriya his punishment would be fifty coins, if he insults the vaishya it would be twenty five coins and if the Shudra, twelve coins "
    (Manu Smrithi 8:267, 268)

  152. @HINDU & VIJAY ANSWER THE QUESTION FIRST ,WHAT THE MEANING OF THE VERSES ? THEN WE HAVE DISCUSS OUR PERSONAL OPINION ,I POSTED ' JUST SAMPLE VERSES ' FOR TESTING U'R CAPABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL HINDUISM…………………@HINDU POST SOME VERSES ,HE NEVER TALKING ABOUT THE SAME VEDA QUOTE I INCLUDED MY LAST POST ………….

    “O you valiant Maghavan, be exhilarated by this Soma drink, and destroy all our opposing enemies, whether they be our own kith and kin, or not.” [Rigveda 6/44/17]

    The writer of Saankhyakaarika, Vachaspati Mishra, uses the words 'Mleccha (filthy)', Purushaapsad (low people) and PashuPraay (Animal like) for Buddhists, Jains, etc. He writes:

    आप्तग्रहणेनाsयुक्ताः शाक्यभिक्षुर्नि ग्रन्थकसंसारमो चकादीनामागमाभासाः परिहृता भवन्ति . अयुक्तत्वं चैतेषां विगानात्, विच्छन्न मूलत्वात्, प्रमाणविरुद्धार्थाभिधानात् कैशिचदेव मलेच्छादिभिः पुरुषापसदैः पशुप्रायैः परिग्रहाद् बोद्धव्यम् .

    "By saying 'true revelation', all pretended revelations such as those of Shaakya, Bhikshu (Buddha),etc have been set aside. The invalidity of these systems is due to their making unreasonable assertions, to want of sufficient basis, to their making statements contradictory to proofs, and lastly to their being accepted only by Mlecchas, or by mean men or by animal like people. "
    The king (Sudhanva) commanded his servants "kill all Buddhists from Himalaya to Rameshvaram, even children and elderly. Whosoever will not kill them, will be killed at my hands." [93]

    At the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta, the king killed the Buddhists, the opponents (of the Hindu religion) just like a Yogi destroys the disturbances. [95]

    [Madhava-Vidyaranya, Sankara Digvijaya Sarg 1; shlokas 93-95]
    " avidhom shchiva vidoscha brahmano divatham "(narada smrithi 9:317)

    “A brahmin, whether he scholar or madman, believe that he is god”

    " dushelo pi dhijo pujanitho shudro jidendriya "(parashra smrithi 8:33)

    "a brhmin Butcher is better than scholar shudra "

    "A Brahmin equal to god, they must forcefully suppress the lower cast people make them their slaves" (manusmrithi 9:317)

    " shakthanopi hishudrana na karyo dhan sanjaya "(manusmrithi 10:129)

    "shudra no right to education (Veda) and earn money”

    " visrabdham brahmana srudad dravyo padanama charathe nahi thasyakthi kinjith swom barthey harodhanohisa "(manusmrithi 8:417)

    “If they (shudra) have any asset, Brahmin must forcefully recapture the entire asset from shudra”

    (Purusha verse of the Rig Veda 10:90:12).It was but natural that under the caste system that was based on the reference in the Rig Veda that “the Brahman is created from the head, the Vaishya from the hands and the Sudra from the feet of the Parampurusha”
    The religious scriptures had taught that one is born of a lower caste owing to the sins of an earlier life and that if one is to attain salvation at least in the next life, he is to render service to those of the higher castes and employ himself in keeping them satisfied in this life.“Shreyan swdarmo viguna para dermal swanushtithal swdarmea nidanam shreya paradarmo bayavaha” (bagavath geetha 3:35).

  153. "Also it has been declared some books like The Hedaya that the jizya shoud be double that of zakat:………………………….HOW CAN AN ANTI ISLAMIC SITE LINK EVIDENCE FOR THE SAUDI RULE ,PLZ BRING SOME SAUDI GOVT OFFICIAL EVIDENCE…………………….CONSIDER A MAN SAY EVERY LEAF OF EARTH IS RED COLOR ,IS IT TRUSTFUL?………..BRING THE EVIDENCE PROVE THE CLAIM…………….
    The Muslims have to pay taxes (which is 2.5 percent of their annual income) under the name of "Zakah" to the "Muslim Financial Institute" or the "House of the Muslim Money" which all goes to provide welfare to the poor and the needy citizens; from both Muslims and non-Muslims. The poor and the needy (such as the Orphans, Widows and the disabled) from the Muslims are exempt from paying taxes.

    The non-Muslims have to pay a varrying amount under the name of "Jizyah", depending on their situation, which is taxes that don't go to help poor and needy Muslims, but instead, it goes to the government to (1) Provide protection for them since they are a minority; (2) Provide means for them to practice their religions freely by building Temples or Churches for them.

    As I mentioned above for the non-Muslims, there are exemptions for the poor, for females and children (according to Abu Hanifah), for slaves, and for monks and hermits.

    It is important to know that the law in the Islamic State applies to everyone; both Muslims and non-Muslims equally. This means that murderers and rapists get executed, adulterers and adulteresses get flogged 100 stripes, etc…

  154. i'm talking about the tea[which include sugar,tea leaf]……..twisting again……………Quran says it is easy to understand for only people who positively looking for truth /not the people who know the truth ,& try to spread lie……………..i ever say "Allah didn't create other races which didn't come out of Adam" my last post say 17:70. And indeed We have honored the Children of Adam………………….YES ADAM FATHER ALL HUMAN BEING ON EARTH………….

  155. islam is i-slam

  156. You said that a children needs two parents, but you added a mother and a father, does those parents necessarily need to be of opposite sex ?
    What do you think of giving same sex couples the right to.adopt ? In France it's already happening, the rest of Europe will probably follow, France is very popular and influent in Central Africa, so they may also follow the lead… In the next century… I heard Obama said that he is for it, so it may happen in the entire USA too.
    My question is if you read it what will be the consequences of allowing same sex couples the right to raise (already possibly damaged) orphans ?

  157. @Shabbir
    As per Rigveda mantra 10/27/2 people like Mohammad should be killed immediately.
    Mantra is as follows Rigveda 10/27/2

    Oh! God bless me so that I may be able to punish the person who is engaged in crimes like rape, Sex slavery, looting, child-abusing, etc.

    And like a fatal/violent bull who becomes the destroyer of everything that comes before him, I may also be able to destroy all the sins i.e., just like as a fatal bull destroys everything, I, by worship, may destroy all the sins and attain enlightenment.

  158. @Shabbir
    Hinduism is against the all kind of racism
    Rigveda 10.161.2
    - walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
    - talk to each other to enhance knowledge, wisdom and affection without malice and hatred
    - keep working together to enhance knowledge and bliss
    - follow the path of truth and selflessness as exemplified by noble people
    Rigveda 10.161.3
    - Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people
    - You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
    - Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
    - Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
    - Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
    Rigveda 10.161.4
    - Your efforts should be full of enthusiasm and for bliss of everyone
    - Your emotions should be for one and all and love everyone the way you love yourself
    - Your desire, resolve, analysis, faith, abstinence, patience, keenness, focus, comfort etc all should be towards truth and bliss for all, and away from falsehood.
    - Keep working in synergy to increase each others’ knowledge and bliss.
    2. Yajurved 19.77
    - All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.

  159. I am not at all a Hindu but have studied their text from their own scholars. Maulana Al Behruni from Iran also studied in Taxila and calculated some perimeter related to the earth. If a Hindu is supposed to learn Islam, he/she should learn it from a Maulana Saheb and so does if Muslim has learn Sanatan Dharma, then he should learn it from Pandit. But learning will not help them get salvation.

  160. If Hindus are so bad and their texts also, why Dr Naik quotes them ? I prefer to spend more time in meditation /Dhikr then to counter the allegation. Did not Prophet SWAS also remembered the God more then, to quoting the the books ? Did present version of Holy Kuran was there at his time ? Did he studied Hindu or any other book of Ahle Kitab ? if not then , this thing if a Muslim does, then it is not a Sunnat. Prophet had faith in Allah, so Allah helped them but people like Maulana Shabbir or Abdu Rasul have more faith in their intellect or their preacher. I am not aware that Allah will help them or not. I could observe that their replies are rather making their positions weaker. In Arabic text of Holy Kuran or Sanskrit of Brahmsutra which is the work of Vadranya, there are many things which have spiritual meaning and only spiritually enlightened person can interpret it. Sufis call it allegorical interpretation of Holy Kuran. I am just giving you some thing from Brahm Sutra as an original while what you quote could be from some article. Like present day Muslims(who went away from the way of Prophet PBUH), Buddhist too have deviated the direct part of Lord Buddha , so this verse opposes "Buddhism" but no such killing as you said. Lord Buddha destroyed the Laws as they were bondage for liberation/Khalasi/Nir(Without)bana(Vana or sense of having or ego). Buddhists made laws and again the bondage from which Lord Buddha Salvages. If some one tries to make laws from Brahmasutra, he will be repeating the mistake. Just there is one word in Brahmasutra and that what i am quoting about which you gave such a story. Wahabis have destroyed Islam, with such a long misinterpretation of Ahadith now doing same with Hindus, this only is there in Brahmsutra 2.2.32
    Sarvathanupapattescha II.2.32 (203)

    And (as the Bauddha system is) illogical in every way (it cannot be accepted).

    Sarvatha: in every way; Anupapatteh: because of its not being proved illogical; Cha: and, also.

    The argument against the Buddhistic theory is concluded here.

    The Sunyavada or Nihilism of the Buddhist which asserts that nothing exists is fallacious because it goes against every method of proof, viz., perception, inference, testimony and analogy. It goes against the Sruti and every means of right knowledge. Hence it has to be totally ignored by those who care for their own happiness and welfare. It need not be discussed in detail as it gives way on all sides, like the walls of a well dug in sandy soil. It has no foundation whatever to rest upon. Any endeavour to use this system as a guide in the practical concerns of life is mere folly.

    O Sunyavadins! You must admit yourself to be a being and your reasoning also to be something and not nothing. This contradicts your theory that all is nothing.

    Further, the means of knowledge by which Sunyata is to be proved must at least be real and must be acknowledged to be true, because if such means of knowledge and arguments be themselves nothing, then the theory of nothingness cannot be established. If these means and arguments be true, then something certainly is proved. Then also the theory of nothingness is disproved.

  161. Chuck,
    Simply beautiful.

  162. There is a great deal of difference between zakat and jizya. The difference is in the definition. Muslims try to fabricate a lie in equating the two. Even the purpose is different. I quote Fakhr al-Din al-Razi: That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person can not stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya.
    Jizya is a tribute to the Muslims, a protection money, a ransom for being allowed to STILL practice their beliefs in complete subjugation and humiliation. If they were both taxes, there wouldn't have been two different terms.
    And the jizya isn't less than zakat. Thats yet another lie.
    In Saudi Arabia, Zakat is levied at a flat rate of 2.5%. http://www.taxrates.cc/html/saudi-arabia-tax-rate
    Also it has been declared some books like The Hedaya that the jizya shoud be double that of zakat: http://www.archive.org/stream/hedayaorguide029357

    And lest you forget there is also a kharaj, a property tax which was initially conceived to be taken from the non-muslim land owners.
    At various points of time in history and at different places it has been between 20% and 40%. The main point of jizya and kharaj was to persuade/force the non-believers to convert by economic means, the sugar-coating as 'poll tax' not withstanding!!

    While there is a concept of Nisab for zakat, there is no such provision for jizya. Also while a refusal to pay zakat doesn't have a specific punishment mentioned, a failure to pay Jizya means you have broken the Dhimmi contract and laible to lose property or life (often both).

    I completely agree with @I-HATE-ISLAM that its the state's duty to provide protection to ALL irrespective of their beliefs. Similarly non-muslims are already branded unpatriotic if they are debarred from military service!!

  163. Shabby,
    If the tax system is equitable, why do nationals of the same country pay graduated tax based on their religion? The state exists to offer protection to all its citizens. Why should some people specially pay for their protection simply because they adhere to a different belief? In China and America, are the taxes different for individual groups or are they universally applied? If the tax system brings equality, why are they called different names? You expose your lies or ignorance by claiming that jizya does not degrade the non-muslim people. It is aimed at that.That is why the quran says that those who pay jizya do so with total humiliation. Failure to pay removes the sham protection from them and they become more exposed to the wrath of the muhammadans. To you, it is not discrimination to exclude a segment of the population from military service on religious grounds. No adjective can properly describe how sinister how your allah is.

  164. Shabby,
    No racism in islam? But you just exhibited that by lying against the Jews whom you have accused falsely of having jubilated after the twin tower attacks by jihadists. It was the muhammadans who celebrated the viciousness of their deity. In Kenya they held a solidarity rally for the murderers at a sports stadium. How callous can you vile creatures be? Islamic universal brotherhood means setting off bombs to kill shia muhammadans in Karachi, Peshawar and other towns on this planet while all of you join hands to target others.The Boston bombing is music in the ear of every muhammadan.

  165. Slave Mentality,
    Muhammad, the arch terrorist, said that he did not know what was going to happen to him in the hereafter. But we know. He will continue to burn in hell fire with all the other terrorists and would have been terrorists. As for Dr Ali Sina, he will be among those who will have the last laugh as you the damned languish in fire without help or hope. It will truly be: ' HE WHO LAUGHS LAST LAUGHING BEST'.

  166. @Shabeer,
    First part of your comment is a give away that you now know that you are utterly beaten!!
    //no tea maker would say that tea is made of sugar //
    Did you ask your mother as I asked you to? Sugar is not a mandatory ingredient. Most outside India drink sugar-free and milk-free tea. Many in India drink water-free tea (only milk), I used to when I was in India. Any recipe not including tea-leaf is incomplete. The tea-leaf itself may be globules, dried leaf, fannings or dust (Just as in your baker analogy wheat, flour, dough are all BASICALLY the same thing ). But water isn't dust and dust isn't water or sugar isn't tea-leaf and vice-versa. Your baker and tea analogy remains invalid and those ayahs remain contradictory!!

    // tea is made of sugar" IS NEVER BEEN WRONG STATEMENT//
    It is ALWAYS incomplete.

    //.NOW WHO R TWISTING TOPICS?………..THERE R HUNDREDS OF TEA IS THERE IN DIFFERENT PART OF THE WORLD I SAYS ABOUT COMMON INDIAN TEA//
    Foolish. Where am I twisting topics? I am not talking about tea-leafs or their varieties, I am not talking about NOT MISSING tea leafs in describing what tea is made of!!

    //THE STATEMENT IS WRONG /ILLOGICAL LIKE A TEA MAKER SAYS " I PREPARE TEA ''ONLY'' FROM TEA POWDER " LOGIC?//
    Ever heard of sugar-free tea? Ever heard of tea-less tea (will you even call it tea?)?

    //AS A HUMAN WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND HIS LOGIC//
    If you can't understand the logic, how do you know it is correct? If you didn't understand the logic why are you arguing? If the logic is beyond comprehension why Quran says it is easy to understand? Isn't then that another contradiction?

    //ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC BELIEF ALL THE HUMAN BEING ARE MADE FROM ADAM[A],//
    My dear confused Shabeer only one post back you referred 17:70 saying that you aren't sure if Allah didn't create other races which didn't come out of Adam. Be consistent!! So we fix then that ALL of humanity came from Adam, right? If so isn't 17:70 misleading/contradictory? And if it is correct that all the progeny of Adam have been/will be receiving At-Taiyibât , where is the need to convert to Mohamadinism?

    // HERE U STAND FOR ALL HUMAN ,BEC'S THEIR BEGGING FROM SOIL[ADAM[A]] //
    So it is saying that all human beings can be said to be TRANSITIVELY created of dust since Adam is forefather to all (according to you, not all possible as per the Theory of Evolution) and he was created from dust. Sounds OK (for the first time I must congratulate you)..

  167. @Ali Sina
    On the day of judgment face of Ali Sina will be black.
    Qur’an 3:106
    On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said): “Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith.”

  168. #Does the Boston bombing make you happy……………..WHAT NON SENSE R U TALKING TO HERE ? MUSLIM THE ONLY PEOPLE ON EARTH LIVING WITH 100% UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD & 0% RACISM………….ISLAM STRONGLY CONDEMNED EVERY BOMB ATTACK AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE WHOEVER THEY R [PAST/PRESENT/MAY BE FUTURE ] …………… THE CHARACTER OF MAKING HAPPY WITH ATTACK OF OPPONENT IS KUFAR ,NOT FOR MUSLIM………..EX) DANCING ISRAELITE WHEN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BURNING…………THEY R DANCING ,SINGING,DRINK ALCOHOL……………PLZ ASK ANY JEW Does the Boston bombing make you happy…………………..

  169. the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children. The tax is also imposed fairly and is not meant to be overburdening.

    The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not even obliged to fight!

    Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat. Zakat is even binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.

    Christians might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn't pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?

    This is completely justified. If they go against the Islamic rule and government they deserve to be punished. What else was Abu Bakr supposed to do? In America if someone does not pay their taxes they can go to jail. Does that make America unjust? In China they kill tax evaders (A New York Times article describes the context and details of one businessman who was executed in China for tax evasion (11 Mar. 2001). at http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/?ac…. You have to understand that these are God's laws. It is probably difficult for a non-Muslim to understand this but from the Muslim perspective it is completely justifiable. For God sake people get executed or punished for crimes against man made laws, what do you expect to happen to people that break God's laws?

    Zakah is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and it is compulsory on everyone. It is compulsory even on the non-Muslim, this is called Jizya. Jizya does not degrade the non-Muslim people, it actually brings equality. Since the Muslims are obliged to pay Zakah, then why cant non-Muslims pay Jizya? That brings equality between the two.

    The Jizya is a tax levied on non-Muslims in lieu of military service which is compulsory for Muslims but not for non-Muslims. The amount of Jizya is much less than the Zakat, which is levied on Muslims only. The non-Muslims paying Jizya were exempt from compulsory military service in a Muslim State but were entitled to full protection. (http://www.netmuslims.com/info/economic.html)

  170. DEAR BROTHER chuck…………..IF U FEEL U'R ATTEMPT FAILED HERE .PLZ STOP THE COMMENTS…………BY POSTING MORE & MORE ILLOGICAL/BASELESS COMMENT ,THAT MAKE U MORE SICK & FOOL……. & MAKE ISLAM MUCH TRUE/DIVINE……………….SELF CONTRADICTION :no tea maker would say that tea is made of sugar ……….HAHAHA"""""""MIRACLE ARGUMENT"""""""'''WHY NEED/WHAT REQUIRE THIS FOOLISHNESS??? U'R SENTENCE INDICATED THAT TEA NEVER MAKE WITH SUGAR,THAT WRONG,WHAT THE SITUATION THIS STATEMENT GOING TO WRONG ,WHEN HE SAYS "say that tea is made of ONLY FROM sugar " ,AS MUCH AS SUGAR ONE OF THE COMPOSITION OF TEA " tea is made of sugar" IS NEVER BEEN WRONG STATEMENT.

    #Allah was incapable of creating ONLY from one ingredient…………….THE STATEMENT IS WRONG /ILLOGICAL LIKE A TEA MAKER SAYS " I PREPARE TEA ''ONLY'' FROM TEA POWDER " LOGIC? BROTHER THE ACT OF GOD BEING SCIENTIFIC & SENSUAL……….WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF " one ingredient "…? WHAT LOGIC BEHIND IT? THE CREATOR ONLY KNOW CREATION OF FROM HUMAN ? WHAT R ITEM REQUIREMENT FOR IT? WHETHER THE SINGLE ITEM OR MIXTURE ,THE COMPLETE LOGIC BELONGS TO HIM? AS A HUMAN WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND HIS LOGIC, IS ANY WEAKNESS TO HUMAN THAT GOD CREATED WITH DIFFERENT ITEM? OR ANY MIRACLES GOING TO HAPPENS WHEN HE CREATE HUMAN FROM ONE INGREDIENT……..

    #he won't miss saying, at least, Tea Leaves (dried or otherwise)…….NOW WHO R TWISTING TOPICS?………..THERE R HUNDREDS OF TEA IS THERE IN DIFFERENT PART OF THE WORLD I SAYS ABOUT COMMON INDIAN TEA…………….

    #From the (earth) did We Create you", who is "you". Is that Adam or in general any man?
    "CREATION ADAM[A] & NORMAL HUMAN NOT ALIKE,GOD CREATED ADAM FROM DUST & OTHER HUMAN FROM Nutfah "………..MY QUESTION IS WHERE WAS HUMAN GOT Nutfah? ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC BELIEF ALL THE HUMAN BEING ARE MADE FROM ADAM[A],AND HE FROM THE SOIL,WE HUMAN DEPENDENT WITH OUR FATHER ADAM[A], THAT WAY VERSES SAY From the (earth) did We Create you , and into it Shall We return you……. HERE U STAND FOR ALL HUMAN ,BEC'S THEIR BEGGING FROM SOIL[ADAM[A]] ……………….
    MY LAST POST I ANSWERED " all of us came from ADAM[A] loin " " it is possible that Allah Almighty later on created more people and more races after Adam and Eve and their children "
    39:6. He created you (all) from a single person (Adam); then made from him his wife [Hawwa' (Eve)].

    HERE THE VERSES INDICATED ALL HUMAN BEING ,

  171. Shabby
    How many people have been massacred or how many bombs have been exploded as a result of the activities mentioned in the articles by the schizophrenic writers whose works you have links to?

  172. Shabeer – you are a complete and utter moron. You must be serious desperate if you drag up the Crusades and search so hard for articles like this. YOU are the barbarians and there is no way you can deny it. Does the Boston bombing make you happy. You probably got yourself off at it!

  173. You are absolutely right….for example the Ram janma issue in Ayoddhya India

  174. Shabby
    You have actually provided the rope with which to hang you. Allah and Umar only canvassed protection for those" Mu'ahad who have been granted the pledge of protection by the muslims". The reason for this is so that they could pay the tax which Umar said should not be beyond their capability. There is no such protection for those outside this category. They must be taxed beyond their capability. In islam treaties do not last beyond ten years and can be abrogated by the muslim at his whims and caprices. In the final analysis, there is no protection for anyone because any body who does not accept islam is said to have fought it. If a muhammadan confiscates one's home and converts it to a mosque, when the owner takes it back he is accused of having driven the muslim out of his house and his place of worship . He then becomes the muslim's enemy by satanic order.

  175. @Shabeer,
    What does the above proof and how do you negate the articles I have linked above? You are again looking London and talking Tokyo. The Sauds are known to have antagonist policies against everything other than the Wahabi interpretation of Islam. The Shias, the christians and the rest have been repeatedly subjected to atrocities. And how do you explain the complete wipe out of the Jews from Saudi Arabia a land that was historically populated by them (The Pure Arabs are from Yemen). It doesn't matter what Quran teaches (in fact I can counter every thing you have produced here but that would be again beside the point and walking in your trap of diversions). Here the discussion was against your point that the Shias live in absolute freedom with their Wahabi brothers in Saudi Arabia. You have nothing to counter the articles (at least you can try producing articles which show how the Saudis provide freedom to the Shias for example). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_r

  176. TERRORISM IS NOT OUR CONTRIBUTION ,LINK OPEN WHO R THE REAL FORE FATHERS OF TERRORISM:
    HOLY WAR/ CRUSADES – MILITARY & RELIGION – U.S.
    - America as a Jihad State: Middle Eastern Perceptions of American Theopolitics, Abdal Hakim Murad http://acommonword.com/en/a-common-word/11-new-fr
    - Christian fundamentalist leader calls for global war, Yoginder Sikand http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art
    - Bible Thumping War Drums, Les Payne http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0309-01.htm
    - Dobson, Armageddon, and Foreign Policy, Andrew Sullivan http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_d
    - Documents from Rumsfeld Pentagon mixing religion and war http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret
    - Evangelism and the military http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2007/08/evangelism-in-
    - Evangelizing Muslims (and Jews)- New Crusade – article collection http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art
    - God’s basic training comes under fire http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,15853
    - Military Evangelism Deeper, Wider Than First Thought, Jason Leopold http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/122207Leopold….
    - Not so fast, Christian soldiers, Mikey Weinstein and Reza Aslan http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection
    - Video, Report Details Evangelism at Highest Levels of US Military, Jason Leopold http://www.nonesoblind.org/blog/?p=804
    - Inquiry Sought Over Evangelical Video http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
    - Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military, Jeff Sharlet http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
    - America’s Holy Warriors, Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061231_chri
    - Christian Extremists Within the U.S. Military – Myth or Reality?, Habib Siddiqui http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art… 2009
    - Christian Embassy video http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45a_1197982712
    - Caught on Tape: Military Officials at Bagram Urge U.S. Soldiers to Evangelize in Afghanistan http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/139686/ca
    - This week in God, Evangelism and the U.S. Military http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individ
    - “Spiritual Warfare” in the Military http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_f
    - Group Trains Air Force Cadets to Proselytize http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
    - Report urges action against Gen. Boykin for religious speeches http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/04/politics/04boyk
    - Infiltrating the U.S. Military: Gen. Boykin’s “Kingdom Warriors” On the Road to Abu Ghraib and Beyond, Katherine Yurica http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/Infiltrat
    - General Casts War in Religious Terms http://articles.latimes.com/2003/oct/16/nation/na
    - Faith Force Multipliers http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,…
    - Afghanistan “hunt people for Jesus” video http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/Media_vid
    - Crusaders At the Gates http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/05/12/news-arellano2….
    - The Crusaders : “The Christian Taliban Is Running the Department of Defense”, Robert Koehler http://www.truthout.org/article/robert-koehler-th
    Conspiracy Theorist Military Chaplains Promote Anti-American Militia Activity, Chris Rodda http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda
    Christian Fundamentalism, the Global Crusade and Muslims , Yoginder Sikand http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art… 2008
    Soldiers inAfghanistan given Bibles, told to “hunt people for Jesus” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers
    Tenth Crusade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade

  177. @Shabeer,
    Another loadful of crap. Why can't you simply say that Quran doesn't accept Evolution to be true? That will prove my first point that Quran is contradictory to the Theory of evolution. You are simply dodging that and using diversions. An attack on the correctness of the TOE doesn't answer the question I have raised. Moreover I am quite sure, you have not critically read anything you have referenced as "proof" against evolution.

    The point here wasn't whether the Theory of Evolution was necessarily correct. As far as the pseudo-scientific links you have furnished, I can also furnish at least 100 times as many in favour of the TOE. But that is BESIDE THE POINT!!

    As far as proponents of TOE is concerned they all agree that there never was a single FATHER, that the earliest homo sapiens evolved out of humanoids (ape like creatures). There may be differences in opinion as to how the evolutionary mechanism EXACTLY worked but that is "nihil ad rem".

    Now, then Yes or No. Do you agree that Quran contradicts the rather mainstream scientific view of the Theory of Evolution?

  178. @Shabeer,
    //A TEA MAKER,NEED TO PREARE A TEA,HE NEED WATER,MILK,TEA POWDER,SUGAR IS ALL OF THEM RELATED TO EACH OTHER? //
    Another foolish argument
    1. Yet no tea maker would say that tea is made of sugar.
    2. If somebody has made tea and added milk and sugar to it, his/her recipe will ALWAYS include it. If it doesn't then his/her recipe is inconsistent.
    //MY LAST POST I SAY FROM THE DUST ALONE OR WATER ALONE WE CAN'T MAKE SHAPE//
    1. So your Allah was incapable of creating ONLY from one ingredient. Thanks for the confirmation.
    2. It only emphasizes what I proved earlier that the ayahs are incomplete and inconsistent by themselves (If I agree to your argument).

    //CONSIDER THE ABOVE EXAMPLE IF WE TALK TO TEA MAKER PREPARATION OF TEA,HE SAY WE CAN MAKE TEA FROM WATER,IS IT CONTR? OR MILK? TEA POWEDER ?………….NO……..IS IT?//
    It is. If you say tea is made of water or milk or sugar you are just being incomplete and in fact wrong. Go ahead ask you mother what tea is made up of and tell us here what she says. I know she is Muslim, but even she won't miss saying, at least, Tea Leaves (dried or otherwise).

    //In other words, it is possible that Allah Almighty later on created more people and more races after Adam and Eve and their children.//
    1. So are you not sure?
    2. My question was when 20:55 says "From the (earth) did We Create you", who is "you". Is that Adam or in general any man? If Adam then it doesn't fit the context, and if any person then it doesn't match with your earlier argument: "CREATION ADAM[A] & NORMAL HUMAN NOT ALIKE,GOD CREATED ADAM FROM DUST & OTHER HUMAN FROM Nutfah ". The Earth isn't nutfah, right?
    Yet more contradictions!! If you turn blind to it, it doesn't mean its not there. Denial is no proof!!
    3. If I take your word as a fact, it further proves that Allah hasn't clearly stated if all of us came from Adam or only some and the rest from some other First Fathers.
    4. Also where does it leave the converts to Islam. Say the Malay ones. In the event that they are not from Adam, 17:70 implies that they won't get At-Taiyibaat. What then will be the incentive for them to convert, since conversion alone can't add them to the same genetic stock that came from this fictitious Adam :-).
    See it is so easy to point the errors and contradictions.

  179. RACISM & HINDUISM:

    "O Indra, what do the cows make for you among the Kikatas[LOWER CAST]. They neither yield milk for your offerings, nor do they warm the vessel of libation. Bring to us these cows, bring to us also the wealth of Pramagand (their King). O Brave one, grant us the possessions of the people of low status." [Rigveda 3:53:14]
    "1. MAKE me a bull among my peers, make me my rivals, conqueror: Make me the slayer of my foes, a sovran ruler, lord of kine
    2 I am my rivals' slayer, like Indra unwounded and unhurt, And all these enemies of mine are vanquished and beneath my feet.
    3 Here, verily, I bind you fast, as the two bow-ends with the string. Press down these men, O Lord of Speech, that they may humbly speak to me.
    4 Hither I came as conqueror with mighty all-effecting power, And I have mastered all your thought, your synod, and your holy work.
    5 May I be highest, having gained your strength in war, your skill in peace my feet have trodden on your heads. Speak to me from beneath my feet, as frogs from out the water croak, as frogs from out the water croak."
    Rigveda 10:166
    "O King, make progress in thy duty of administration, extend happiness to the religious. O terrible chastiser, burn down the irreligious foes. O splendid person, humiliate and consume utterly like dried up stubble, him, who encourages our foe."
    Yajurveda Chapter 13; Mantra 12
    "O King, rise high, punish the wicked foes righteously, manifest the objects prepared by our steady scholars, enhance pleasures. Destroy the kitchens and other places of plundering of the vigorous enemies. Kill the foes. I settle you with fire's ardour."
    Yajurveda Chapter 13; Mantra 13

    PUT YOUR ENEMIES IN THE JAWS OF FEROCIOUS ANIMALS
    Yajurveda Chapter 15; Mantra 15 says

    "…Let injurious animals like Lions and others that eat fresh and grass be destroyed. Let murderous crowds of men that destroy others like a powerful weapon, be killed. Let virtuous rulers protect us from those animals, and make us comfortable. In the jaws of these animals we place the ferocious man whom we hate and who hates us."

    Atharvaved 12:5:62 says,
    "Rend, rend to bits, rend through and through, scorch and consume and burn to dust, the one who rejects the Vedas."
    "Handless be these our enemies! We enervate their languid limbs. So let us part among ourselves, in hundreds, Indra! all their wealth." [Atharvaved 6:66:3]
    "He who dwells fixed in the atmosphere, smiting the blasphemers of the god that do not sacrifice, to him be reverence with ten sakvarî-stanzas!" [Atharvaved 11:2:23]
    “O bounteous Lord, of what avail are the cattle of the infidels to you. Neither they yield milk nor do these faithless persons kindle sacred fire. May you bring wealth of these unbelievers to us and give us possessions of people of low mortality and crush them.”

    [Rigveda Samhita, Tr. Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar; 1977, Vol IV, Page 1235]
    “Around us is the Dasyu, practicing no religious rites, not knowing us thoroughly, inhuman, following other laws. Baffle, you Slayer of the foe, the strength of this Daasa.” [Rigveda 10/22/8]
    Atharvaveda 8/8/7 which says
    Great is your net, brave Indra, the mighty match for a thousand, Lord of Hundred Powers! Holding them, with his host, therewith has Indra slaughtered Dasyus a hundred, thousand, myriad, hundred millions.
    Slay everyone who pours no gift, who, hard to reach, delights you not. Bestow on us what wealth he has: this even the worshipper awaits." [Rigveda 1:176:4]
    he (Buddha) was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beings induced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused.–So that–and this the Sûtra means to indicate–Buddha's doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness."

    [Shankar Bhashya on Brahmasutra 2/2/32]
    The king (Sudhanva) commanded his servants "kill all Buddhists from Himalaya to Rameshvaram, even children and elderly. Whosoever will not kill them, will be killed at my hands." [93]

    At the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta, the king killed the Buddhists, the opponents (of the Hindu religion) just like a Yogi destroys the disturbances. [95]

    [Madhava-Vidyaranya, Sankara Digvijaya Sarg 1; shlokas 93-95]
    . Padma Puran Bhumi Khand 2/38/25-27 says
    "Men deluded by sins, resort to the Jaina religion. They abandon the Vedic practices and will committ sins. There is no doubt that the Jaina faith is the root of sin. O best King, the fall of those men, who are sinners, is brought about by this great delusion (i.e Jainism)."

  180. Approximately 15 percent[1][2] of citizens in Saudi Arabia are Shia Muslims, most of whom belong to the Twelver Shia Baharna of the Eastern Province, with the largest concentrations in Qatif, Al-Hasa, and Dammam (in addition to a small Twelver Shia minority in Medina called the Nakhawila). Sizable Zaydi and Isma'ili communities also live in Najran along the border with Yemen.
    govt give all the right to them,right of worship,some of shia mosque is there in Saudi,but govt Denny some immoral blood shed activities during the ashura,it immoral . http://saudiwoman.me/2009/02/27/shias-and-sunnis-

    A Muslim should not be killed for murdering a non-Muslim?
    “…take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that you may learn wisdom.” [Surah An'aam 6: Aayah 151]
    “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew all humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people.” [Surah Maaidah 5: Aayah 32]
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

    The Prophet said, "Whoever killed a Mu'ahad (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling)." [Bukhari Kitab ad-Diyaat (Blood Money) 87; Chapter 30; Hadith 6516]
    Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

    Umar (after he was stabbed), instructed (his would-be-successor) saying, "I urge him (i.e. the new Caliph) to take care of those non-Muslims who are under the protection of Allah and His Apostle in that he should observe the convention agreed upon with them, and fight on their behalf (to secure their safety) and he should not over-tax them beyond their capability." [Bukhari Kitab al-Jihad, Chapter 174; Hadith 2887]
    “Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”[al-Mumtahinah 60:8]
    “It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allaah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers those who disobey Allaah).”[al-Mumtahinah 60:9]

  181. # no doubt regarding this point among evolutionists………..
    famous phylospher Arthur Koestler say
    "Once upon a time, it all looked so simple. Nature rewarded
    the fit with the carrot of survival and punished the unfit with the stick
    of extinction.  The trouble only started when it came to defining
    fitness….  Thus natural selection looks after the survival and
    reproduction of the fittest, and the fittest are those which have the
    highest rate of reproduction….  We are caught in a circular argument
    which completely begs the question of what makes evolution evolve"
    (1978, p. 170).
    The famous Dutch botanist * Hugo deVries : "Natural selection
    may explain the survival of the fittest, but it cannot explain the arrival
    of the fittest" (1905, pp. 825-826)
    Swedish biologist * Soren Lovtrup wrote "After this step-wise
    elimination, only one possibility remains:  the Darwinian theory of
    natural selection, whether or not coupled with Mendelism, is false. 
    I have already shown that the arguments advanced by the early
    champions were not very compelling, and that there are now
    considerable numbers of empirical facts which do not fit with the
    theory.” (p. 352, emp. added).
    Ten Reasons Evolution is Wrong – Evanwiggs.com http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html http://www.discovery.org/a/10661 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163678/http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm
    Five Major Evolutionist Misconceptions about Evolution http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp
    Why Evolution is False – Science Against Evolution http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
    (Evolution:
    refrence for reading:
    A Theory in Crisis, Michael Denton,
    Wysong, R.L. (1976), The Creation-Evolution Controversy (East
    Lansing, MI: Inquiry Press).
    Moore, Keith L. (1992), Clinically Oriented Anatomy
    Williams, P.L. and Warwick, R., 1980. Gray’s Anatomy,
    Churchill Livingstone, 36th edition.
    * Hoyle, Fred, N.C. Wickramasinghe, and R.S. Watkins
    (1985), Archaeopteryx,” British Journal of Photography,
    132:693, June21
    * Morell, Virginia (1993), “Archaeopteryx: Early Bird Catches
    a Can of Worms,” Science, 259:764-765
    (Philadelphia, PA: Williams and Wilkins).

  182. #how does it relate vis-a-vis water and dust?
    #verses in themselves are incomplete……………

    brother :FOR THE CREATION OF A THINK WHAT REQUIREMENT OF ALL COMPOSITION FROM SAME ELEMENTS …………? FOR EX) A TEA MAKER,NEED TO PREARE A TEA,HE NEED WATER,MILK,TEA POWDER,SUGAR IS ALL OF THEM RELATED TO EACH OTHER? NO……..? I GIVE U LITTLE HOT WATER,COLD WATER,SALT WATER,NORMAL WATER CAN PREPARE A TEA FROM IT??? WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH U? MY LAST POST I SAY FROM THE DUST ALONE OR WATER ALONE WE CAN'T MAKE SHAPE ,PLZ VISIT U'R NEAREST CLAY MODEL MAKERS ,ASK THEM,WHAT R COMPONETS THE REQUIRE FOR CLAY MODEL,THEY SAYS STICKY DUST & WATER,QURAN BEING MIRACLE IT NEVER SAYS "CREATE ONLY FROM WATER OR ONLY FROM DUST " ,BUT IT SAY CREATED BOTH WATER & DUST.HOW CAN IT BECOME CONTRADICTION ? CONSIDER THE ABOVE EXAMPLE IF WE TALK TO TEA MAKER PREPARATION OF TEA,HE SAY WE CAN MAKE TEA FROM WATER,IS IT CONTR? OR MILK? TEA POWEDER ?………….NO……..IS IT?,WHEN HIS STATEMENT CONTRADICT ? EITHER HE SAY TEA MAKE ''ONLY''' FROM MILK OR WITH WATER,MILK,TEA POWDER,SUGAR ,H2SO4 OR HCL OR ANIMAL DUNG OR DUST TOO HE INCLUDE IT ,THAT THE VALID CONTRADICTION ,BEC'S WE KNOW TEA NEVER MAKE ONLY FROM MILK & THE METERIAL [ H2SO4 OR HCL OR ANIMAL DUNG OR DUST ] EVER INCLUDE WITH TEA………….ACTULLY IF QURAN ONLY TALKING TO WATER OR DUST ,IT MAY BE GOING TO CONTRADICTION ,BEC'S HOW CAN MAKE SHAPE WITH EITHER FROM DUST OR WATER ALONE? THAT I SAY """"you can't see light even if a dozen of neon lights are brought before you""""

    #Whose creation is being referred in 20:55? …………
    "From the (earth) did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, And from it shall We Bring you out once again. (The Noble Quran, 20:55)"

    " 'And Allah has produced you from the earth, Growing (gradually), And in the End He will return you Into the (earth), And raise you forth (Again at the Resurrection).' (The Noble Quran, 71:17-18)"

    Allah Almighty created all of the races and genders. Even though Adam peace be upon him was the first Mankind-Creation by Allah Almighty, but no one is really certain that all of us came from his loin. In other words, it is possible that Allah Almighty later on created more people and more races after Adam and Eve and their children.
    39:6. He created you (all) from a single person (Adam); then made from him his wife [Hawwa' (Eve)].
    17:70. And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibât (lawful good things), and have preferred them above many of those whom We have created with a marked preference.

  183. Chuck,
    I have said it time and time again that no one should pity a muhammadan no matter what situation he is found in. They are the most ungrateful idiots the world has ever known. These two terrorists have never known any other country than America that took them in in their time pf destitution. What has happened would have severed the Americans right if any of the victims had been related to Obama or any of the other fools who calls jihadism 'a great and peaceful religion'. Sakat is right in his warning. The Americans, particularly this administration, the left wing media, pseudo-academicians and hollywood idle brains consider that by courting this deadly virus they are being liberal and sophisticated. The fools do not know that they have a deadly poison on their lips. Something worse than this will happen one day. I pray that those who protect islam will be at the receiving end.

  184. With a name reminiscent of Timur Lane, no less!! The same country that afforded them a home as a refugee bore the burnt of Islamic radicalization!!!

  185. Oh!!! great United States of America ,when will you rise from your slumber.See time is running fast ,if you hesitate to act now ,no one can protect Rome from "Barbarians"(even barbarians were intelligent ,and modern world owe them much for their contribution to science). If you don't act now ,you will be send straight way from 200 years to 1400 years back,this is a wake up call (Boston bombing). !!!WAKE UP FOR THE SAFETY OF HUMANITY!!! .

  186. @Slave of Prophet,
    You purposefully missed/messed the whole point(s):
    1. The above shows that your Allah was left with no work but to stalk Muhamad and indulge in every trifles. This shows that your Allah is inferior to Muhamad (This I have proved in few more posts).
    2. Muhamad didn't kill the ants out of any pest-control considerations, but out of revenge (since one stray ant bit him, on which he might have sat). What kind of a man keeps a grudge even against mere ants? We kill mosquitoes because they disrupt our lives, here Muhamad disrupted the ants life!!

  187. Sunsetsinmuddywater
    Saturday 20 April 2013, 6:22 am

    But, it was Mohammad who harmed the ants first, the ant bit him later.

  188. Chuck,
    That was superb.

  189. Chuck,
    Ok. May these intellectual fraudsters continue to siphon petro-dollars from the gullible jihadists whose blindness makes them see science where it does not exist.

  190. Shabby,
    Needless referring me to links posted to deceive the ignorant and the gullible. I live in a country where muhammadan intolerance is exhibited on an hourly basis. I know how minorities are treated. There is nothing different that you can tell me. If muslims are intolerant of each other because of variation in the same creed, would it be expected that they will be more humane or less intolerant of the unbelievers who are 'the worst creatures before allah'? Islamic human right to the unbeliever is as good as living in Hitler's concentration camp or a gulag of the communist era in the Soviet Union.

  191. What an Idiot Shabeer :'(

  192. @Shabeer,
    Ha ha. Typical of you, from the whole damning article you just picked up the 1988 bombing incident!! You were saying that Shia don't have any issue living in Saud, that article refutes your claim.
    Here's more: http://shiarightswatch.org/middle-east/saudi-arab
    This is from Human Rights watch: "Saudi Arabia does not tolerate public worship by adherents of religions other than Islam and systematically discriminates against its religious minorities, in particular Shia and Ismailis (a distinct branch of Shiism). Official discrimination against Shia encompasses religious practices, education, and the justice system. Government officials exclude Shia from certain public jobs and policy questions and publicly disparage their faith." http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report….

    Yes the rules are common to all, as in every other country. But the rules are discriminatory.
    http://abna.co/data.asp?lang=3&Id=358029

  193. @I-HATE-ISLAM
    Dankeschon!!

  194. #Shabeer,
    And now your foolish arguments:
    1. //if three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?//
    While we know that flour comes out of wheat and then the dough, how does it relate vis-a-vis water and dust? Water doesn't come out of dust or vice versa. So the corollary is absurd.
    2. //HOW CAN IT "contradict Evolution//
    It contradicts evolution. The first human evolved out of some humanoid per the theory. Not withstanding the various conjectures, there is absolutely no doubt regarding this point among evolutionists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution
    So if Adam was the first human being he couldn't have been made of dust. So Quran contradicts evolution.
    3. //TWO VERSES BEC'S BOTH VERSES NEVER SAYS LIKE GOD CREATED HUMAN """"ONLY """" FROM DUST OR """""ONLY"""" FROM WATER ……THAT MEANS THESES VERSES INDICATED THAT HUMAN CREATED THE MIXTURE OF DUST & WATER//
    A) So you agree then the verses in themselves are incomplete.Well done!!
    B) Your Allah forgot to talk about dust and water together in these 2 verses. How sad!!
    4. //MOST PROBABLY ALLHA DESIGN ADAM[A] FROM DUST WATER,A COMMON SENSE REQUIRED FOR IT ,HOW CAN MAKE A DESIGN ONLY FROM WATER OR DUST ,BOTH REQUIRED FOR IT CREATION//
    Thats the whole point. If Allah had common sense he would have remained consistent with, say , mud but He flip-flops.

    //KEEP COMMON SENSE ,WHILE DEBATING WITH MUSLIM//
    You mean KEEP COMMON SENSE ASIDE,WHILE DEBATING WITH MUSLIM. I agree.

    5. //CREATION ADAM[A] & NORMAL HUMAN NOT ALIKE,GOD CREATED ADAM FROM DUST & OTHER HUMAN FROM Nutfah //
    Whose creation is being referred in 20:55? " From the (earth) did We create you"!!! Is that Adam or a normal human?

    Your problem is you can't see light even if a dozen of neon lights are brought before you, just like other muslim apologists you would try to device a mechanism of wriggling out of the contradictions (or copy paste from other sites, for your own knowledge is rather hollow).

  195. Chuck,
    good job exposing the fraudulent claims of the muhammadans who are made to see $cience in the quran by dubious and greedy academicians who always see the opportunity to smile to the bank.

  196. Shabby,
    Your quran is the epitome of incoherence. It says that Jesus was created. Then it goes on to say that HE is the Spirit and Word of God. Did you create your spirit or your word? Or have they always been part of your being? As the Word and Spirit of God, Jesus has always been in and with God. He is not in the same category with Adam. Your quran and its author are liars.

  197. Shabby,
    I hate muhammadanism for more reasons than I can ever put down. But here are few of my reasons. Islam is a huge lie concocted by Muhammad to fool the ignorant. There was nothing or nobody like allah. Muhammad created him and attributed to it/him all his atrocity. Then, the quran and the hadiths are manuals of terrorism. Muhammad said that he became victorious through terror. As he has been cited as the role model for muhammadans, they are emulating him to achieve victory through terror. It has just happened in Boston. Muhammad was a thief, He stole from the hapless. It is in the hadiths and sira that he set the example of plundering other people's estate and disgraced them. You Muhammadans are also doing the same. Your forebears went to India from Arabia and dispossessed the poor Hindus of their property and enslaved them. Allah, Muhammad and the quran authorize muslims to invade, conquer and occupy other people's lands. Islam has no value for human life, particularly the life of 'an infidel'. Islam is expansionist and encourages muhammadans to migrate and take over other territories and kill the owners. Islam is a virus that spreads social malaise. Islam is barbaric and preaches hate and the subjugation of women who are given the same status as black dogs which nullifies a prayer. A black dog is said to be satan. By equating women to black dogs, islam says that women are satans. Muhammad made several statements denigrating women. Remember how a woman used to remove lice from Muhammad's hair? It means that on personal hygiene, he was very deficient and not one to be emulated.Muhammad was very selfish. He arrogated to himself so many privileges which he denied the others. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO HATE ISLAM AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR.

  198. @Shabeer,
    Have you studied the book you refer to from Moore? Mere copy paster huh… your source (possibly): http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_ma
    Dr. Moore's work has been thoroughly refuted by other biologists like Dr. Myers. And since you refer to answering christanity, I can point to answering islam: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embr

  199. SOME ONE MAKE U A SICK …………..THE BEST TREATMENT IS I WILL GIVE U SOME LINK ,PLZ TAKE A NOTE BOOK & WRITE 100 TIMES,THAT MAKE U SENSE……………
    http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art

    HUMANIST http://www.islam-usa.com/index.php?option=com_con

    MUSLIM CHARACTER
    http://muslimmoralcharacter.blogspot.in/
    ISLAM AND HUMAN RIGHT http://www.islamhinduism.com/prophet-muhammad/23-
    INTOLERENCE TOWRDS NON MUSLIM (HINDUISM) http://www.islamhinduism.com/responses/satyarth-p

    FREEDOM OF MINORITY http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/art

  200. A HINDU DECLARING HIM SELF " A TERRORIST "……………PLZ GIVE U'R ADDRESS I WILL MEET U WITH POLICE …..

  201. FROM U'R LINK GIVE THE EVIDENCE THAT WHY GOVT TAKE ACTION ABOUT THEM " Shias were accused of sabotage, most notably for bombing oil pipelines in 1988. A number of Shias were even executed.NOT ONLY THE SHIA,THE RULES R COMMON TO ALL CITIZEN,PLZ SEARCH SOME OF SUNNI MUSLIM TOO EXECUTED THEM

  202. FIRST ADVICE: I THINK U CONSULT AN PSYCHIATRIC DOCTOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE……..THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR BRING BACK U TO THE REAL WORLD……………..

    SECOND ADVICE : WE R HERE A COMMON SITE WATCHING LOT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ,PLZ DON'T BEHAVE LIKE A CHILD OR JOKER HERE……….IF U HAVE CONFIDENCE ISLAM A WRONG RELIGION ………..QURAN IS THERE ,PLZ PROVE HERE BROTHER & SHOW U'R COURAGEOUS LIKE A MAN ,INSTEAD OF BRAIN DEAD COWARDS…………PROVIDING RUBBISH PERSONAL GRUDGE /HATE OF ISLAM………….THAT MAKE U A PSYCHIC MAD MAN……..DON'T HATE ANY RELIGION………PLZ PROVE WITH EVIDENCE WHY R U HATE ISLAM?………….STOP THE PERSONAL IGNORANT COMMENTS………….

  203. quran talking about the creation of human two types 1) the first creation 2) human born from the sexual reproduction,criticizer mixed WITH THESES TWO,& make confusion to people.

    #1 Adam[a]created from the dust ,he never lived TODAY FOR testing the DNA & RNA……..BY LAW HE WAS PERFECT HUMAN………………….HOW CAN IT "contradict Evolution" ?,I THINK MY BROTHER SAYS ABOUT EVOLUTION THEORY [EVEN THEIR SCHOLAR HAS NO CONFIDENCE WHETHER THEIR EVIDENCE TRUE OR NOT ,THE MOST MOCKED & CHEATED PART OF THE BRANCH OF SCINECE WAS " EVOLUTIONIST " .SCIENTIFIC HISTORY EVER SAW MOCKED THE PEOPLE MORE THAN 'EVOLUTIONIST" .TODAY MOST OF THE COUNTRY,TAKE OUT THE EVOLUTION THEORY FROM THEIR STUDENT TEXT BOOK.................

    #2 3:59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
    24:45. Allâh has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allâh creates what He wills. Verily! Allâh is Able to do all things.

    FROM THE FIRST VERSES WE KNOW THAT ,THE FIRST HUMAN ADAM[A] CREATED FROM DUST[SOIL LIKE 'HAM'H,THEEN,SWALSAL,MASNOON ]…………IT GIVE SOUND & STICKY
    SECOND ALLHA SAYS " created every moving (living) creature from water"…………….
    THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION THESES TWO VERSES BEC'S BOTH VERSES NEVER SAYS LIKE GOD CREATED HUMAN """"ONLY """" FROM DUST OR """""ONLY"""" FROM WATER ……THAT MEANS THESES VERSES INDICATED THAT HUMAN CREATED THE MIXTURE OF DUST & WATER……………..MY DEAR BRO/SIS WHAT THE LOGIC OF CONTRADICTION ?
    IF QURAN SAYS " HUMAN CREATED ONLY FROM DUST FROM I PART & SECOND PART IT SAYS "ONLY FROM WATER ",BUT THE FOLLOWING VERSES NEVER SAYS LIKE THAT,IT NEVER CONSIDER TO BE A CONTRADICTION.
    MOST PROBABLY ALLHA DESIGN ADAM[A] FROM DUST WATER,A COMMON SENSE REQUIRED FOR IT ,HOW CAN MAKE A DESIGN ONLY FROM WATER OR DUST ,BOTH REQUIRED FOR IT CREATION……………….15:28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. 29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him."
    THE BASIC OF ALL LIVING CREATURE IS WATER QURAN AGREED IT FROM (24:45,21:30,25:54)

    #3
    23:12. And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).

    13. Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman).

    14. Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allâh, the Best of creators.

    KEEP COMMON SENSE ,WHILE DEBATING WITH MUSLIM……..CREATION ADAM[A] & NORMAL HUMAN NOT ALIKE,GOD CREATED ADAM FROM DUST & OTHER HUMAN FROM Nutfah

    75:37. Was he not a Nutfah (mixed male and female discharge of semen) poured forth?
    76: 2. Verily, We have created man from Nutfah drops of mixed semen (discharge of man and woman), in order to try him, so We made him hearer, seer.
    96:2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
    16:4. He has created man from Nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge), then behold, this same (man) becomes an open opponent.

    #4..ANSWERED……….
    #5 FROM THE FIRST VERSES WE KNOW THAT ,THE FIRST HUMAN ADAM[A] CREATED FROM DUST[QURAN USED THE WORD SOIL LIKE 'HAM'H,THEEN: MEANING CLAY SWALSAL,MASNOON: MEANING STICKY WITH SECOND VERSES WATER……. COMBINED TO FORM 15:26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
    15:28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.

    SUBHAN ALLHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  204. * What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]

    I wonder, if three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?

    If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"?

    The blood of all living creatures is composed of 55 percent plasma, which in turn is composed of more than 90 percent water. As opposed to 1400 centuries ago when the Qur'an was first revealed by God, today it is a well known fact that the major "ingredient" in the human body is water (a matter emphasized ONLY in the Qur'an and not in the Bible). It is further very well known that mankind is made from "dust" (when you place his body in the grave and leave it for a number of years, and the water evaporates, what form does his body revert to? Further, what is "clay"? Is it not a special form of water and dust? It is equally obvious that if God created everything then there must have been a time when everything we see was "nothing," including humans.

    However, our current author severely dislikes all Muslims and is bent on discovering "contradictions." The irony of the matter is that although he has no formal knowledge of these matters but manages to brand all of these statements to be "contradictory," in spite of that, when truly objective and unbiased Christian scholars who are world renown specialist in this field are presented with the very same verses and many more, and spend over three years studying them in detail, we find these world renown Christian scholars so totally amazed at their accuracy in matters which were only scientifically proven in the last twenty years that they found no recourse but to admit that it must have come from God and even to go so far as to suggest the total replacement of current scientific terminology with that used by God in the Qur'an. But they is saying this with regard to the Muslim Qur'an and not their own Christian Bible. Who are some of these men? Among them are Prof. Keith Moore, Prof. E. Marshall Johnson, Prof. Joe Leigh Simpson, Prof. T.V.N. Persaud , Dr. Maurice Bucaille, and Dr. Tejatet Tejasen to name but a few. Let us learn a little more about these men and then hear what they have to say in this regard:

    Dr. Keith L. Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. He is a world renowned scientist and a distinguished researcher in the fields of anatomy and embryology, he has published more than 150 research articles, chapters and books in this field. He is the author of several medical textbooks, such as the widely used and acclaimed "The Developing Human: Clinically oriented Embryology" (now in its fifth edition, translated into eight different languages, and the standard textbook on this science in many countries), "Before We Are Born" and "Clinically Oriented Anatomy." He has also recently co-authored "Qur'an and Modern Science, Correlation Studies." Dr. Moore is the recipient of numerous awards and honors, including, in 1984, the J.C.B. Grant Award, which is the highest honor granted by the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has served in many academic and administrative positions, including the President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, 1968-1970. Let us see what Dr. Moore's opinion is on the scientific statements regarding embryology to be found in the Qur'an:

    Dr. Moore was contacted by a Muslim scholar by the name of Abdul-Majeed Azzindani. He was asked to participate in a three-year study of around twenty-five verses of the Qur'an and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, pbuh) which speak about embryology, and to determine the degree of their correspondence to modern scientific discoveries. Dr. Moore's conclusion regarding this matter was:

  205. Yessssssssss I am the hindu terrorist, now save yourself from my hands, gimme your address ;))

  206. Are you going to stop me from drinking beer? (nahi al munkar) blah blah???

  207. Shabby,
    If muhammadans really believe in sura 24:46, which claims that the quran has made things clear, why do they resort to the tafseers for explanation? Allah had warned that none should seek the interpretation of his/its words. All muhammadans have committed shirk and kufr.

  208. Shabby,
    There is no greater brain dead zombie than he who denies what allah has expressly authorized. The only ones who are spared the muhammadan killing orgy are those muhammadans who have not abandoned their 'deen' and the dihmmis who pay the jizya tax in 'total humiliation'. By denying this immutable order of allah, you have apostatized. Watch out for your trigger happy brother jihadists may soon come calling on you. As there is no room for explaining your apostasy, repeating the relevant portions of the quran meant to ward off the 'shaaytan' will not avail you. The worst part of it is that you will be denied your throng of prostitutes in the gehana. I PITY YOU.

  209. Shabby,
    Just list out the accomplishments of muhammadanism. Do not refer me to any you-tube. You rejected Dr.Sina's reference to a link and insisted he has to answer your question on the blog for all to see. The same is applicable to you.

  210. Sorry, that post was an answer to the question by Innocent Guy but not Shabby.

  211. Shabby,
    Against my deep Christian principle, my answer to your question is a resounding 'YES'. It should be tit for that. When the other person wears the shoe, he will know how it pinches.

  212. Shabby,
    In muhammadanism, you have the right to kill, pillage,rape and destroy. After that you pay zakat and do charity to earn your fair share of the extra terrestrial whores.
    If you respect any body, you will not call them 'kafirs' which is derogatory or 'infidel' which stands them apart from muhammadans. The truth is that you have no respect for those who are not your kind. Even within the house of muhammadanism, some are lesser human beings. That is why they are blown up without any hesitation.

  213. Then should the Muslims be killed, for they are harming other Humans?

  214. Slave Mentality,
    The accursed quran says that the infidel is the worst creature in the sight of allah.That being so the 'infidel' is worse than a mosquito or snake. That is why the muhammadan authorizes himself to eliminate the 'unbelievers'.What a devil!

  215. Slave Mentality,
    Stop asking for Dr Sina. Face those who have consistently thrashed you on this blog. If you have anything to say then bring it up and get humiliated as usual. Do not hide your deficiency under the pretext that Dr Sina is not constant on the web for now. He openly said that he will be engaged in other pressing matters.

  216. Shabby,
    You are quit confused about who a terrorist is. Go and look it up and you will educate yourself into knowing that those who are against societal vices are not terrorists. They are law abiding citizens working against those who choose to destroy the peace and well being of others. A terrorist has an ideology and works in concert with people of like minds in other climes. These elements are not present in armed robbers who are chased and become afraid of the police. In countries where the rule of law exists, there are citizen's right to arrest criminals or would be criminals and hand them over to the police immediately. Such civilization is lacking in muhammadan societies where terrorism by way of mob action is the order. The mere shout of 'blasphemy' brings instant execution of 'rajam justice'. The accused is denied the opportunity of defense.
    To the muhammadan, terrorism is to expose the lies of Muhammad and the sham called islam. To blow up people who are different are acts of piety which will earn the perpetrator celestial prostitutes. Killing an 'innocent' person in muhammadanism means killing a fellow muhammadan who has not apostatized. Words and values in muhammadanism take opposite meanings to what they truly stand for.
    There is an obsession by muhammadans to make references to certain violent portions of the Bible without embracing the undeniable truths in the face of reality. Firstly, these portions are only descriptive. They tell what happened. They were never intended to be precedents to be followed ad infinitum. That is why the practice ended with those who were given the instruction and were restricted to the people mentioned. They have not been put to use ever since for almost 5000 years now. On the other hand, the muhammadan killing orders are open-ended. They are relevant for all times and are unleashed on all of humanity for as long as everybody does not worship allah. This makes muhammadanism a declaration of war on mankind. Jehovah did not declare war on mankind.
    Secondly, allah was so captivated by these violence verses that he/it claims that he/it sent those prophets. Whatever the prophets did or said have been validated by allah . This could be found in verse after verse of the quran where allah extols the destruction of those tribes including pharaoh and his army who were drowned in the Red Sea. Neither Christianity nor Judaism pays heed to those instructions for they are no longer relevant today. But muhammadanism clings to the past and has rehashed itself from Arabian paganism to 'islam' which is submission to the will of the blood thirsty fiend called Muhammad. Stop holding firmly to antiquity. Move on and be civilized.

  217. @Shabeer,
    //THERE R LOT OF SHIA MUSLIM IS THERE IN SAUDI ,WHY NOT THEY FIGHTING EACH OTHER?// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Shia_

  218. WHAT THE SITUATION NAIK SAYS IT?
    Every Muslim should be a terrorist
    Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror.
    The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist
    for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial
    elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an
    anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word
    ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common
    people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. antisocial
    elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim
    should be a source of peace for innocent people.
    CLEAR IT:
    NOW TIME FOR CLEAR MY DOUBT:
    2 Chronicles 25:12

    The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)
    Joshua 8:24-26

    When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)
    Deuteronomy 2:32-34

    Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

    Deuteronomy 3:3-6
    We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)

    1 Samuel 15:3,8

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
    Hosea 13:16

    Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

    WHAT WAS A MORAL MAN CALL IT?

  219. why are they staying in india ?

    '''''PIG'''''''''','''''''''''''ANIMALS''''''''''' TELL ME WHO R THE WROST? IS IT WE OR THEM? AS A MUSLIM /AN INDIAN ,I RESPECT ALL PEOPLE ,I EVER SAY ANY BARD WORD TO THEM,MY RELIGION TECH ME LIKE THAT,IF I HAVE A LITTLE BIT GRUDGE/HATE TO WARDS NON MUSLIM,ALLH NEVER /EVER RECIVE MY NAMAZ,ZAKATH,HAJ,CHARITY,ETC. AS GOOD ACT…….HE THROW IN TO HELL…….. …………BROTHER U HAVE NO[ AT LEAST 0% RIGHT] TO TALKING LIKE THIS ,BEC'S WE & CONGREES FIGHTTHE BRITISH GOT THE FREEDOM FROM THEM……..PLZ THE INDIAN INDEPENDACE HISTORY [WHERE EVER U WANT NORTH,SOUTH,WEST& EAST] WHO BEGGIN IT?
    THE HINDU RACIST EVER JOIN WITH CONGRESS & MUSLIM,BEC'S LOWER CAST HINDU ,MUSLIM R PROHIBIT???ED THEM,DURING THE FIGHT ,THEY R TRY TO KILL OUR FATHER OF NATON,MY FATHER MHTHMA GHANDHIJI & THEY DID IT……………..TODAY THEY R TALKING "why are they staying in india"……………….INDIA FOR ALL PEOPLE,IF U DON'T LIKE IT,PLZ GO TO NEPPAL.I SPONSER U'R TRAIN TICKET……………………………….

  220. #Killing of Muslim in Pakistan is due to Saudi Arbian policy…………………..
    A QUESTION ,THERE R LOT OF SHIA MUSLIM IS THERE IN SAUDI ,WHY NOT THEY FIGHTING EACH OTHER? WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF SA FROM PAK PEOPLE?……………..ACTUALLY THE BASEMENT OF THE PROBLEM WAS SAUDI FOLLOWING THE ISLAMIC SHARIYA ,PAK ADOPT WESTERN DEMOCRATIC LAW ,NO STRICT PUNISHEMNET FOR KILLERS,NO SHARIYA,PEOPLE BUYING THE LAW,POLICE,COURT,ETC……………SOME POLITICIAN ALLOW THESE [THAT COMMON IN ALL DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY,POLITICIAN GOING ON WITH NUMBER OF BOMB BLAST]…………….ISLAM PROHIBIT ALL THE ATTACK [WHETHER MUSLIM-MUSLIM OR MUSLIM-NON MUSLIM],NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED VERSES I PROVED IT………………..WESTERN R THE REAL SPONSORS,SOME PEOPLE FROM TALIBAN,PAK WORKING FOR THEM FOR MONEY…………………THEIR MEDIA SAYS "ISLAMIC TERRORISM" FOR THEIR ACT…………..BEC'S THEY CAN'T DEFEAT ISLAM FROM LEGAL WAY…………….. ZOMBIES THINKING SOMETHING ,BUT MY ALLHA ,THINK BEYOND THEM,EX) WHAT HAPPENED 9/11? JEW /CAPTLIST DID IT[TODAY EVEN WESTERN CRITICS TOO AGREED/PROVED IT ] THEY EXPECTING ,THEY CAN DEFEATED ISLAM,BUT ISLAM TODAY GROWING FASTER THAN,BEFORE 9/11…………….

    BROTHER IF U WANT TO STUDY ISLAM ,PLZ LEAVE .000023% TERRORIST FROM THEM,STUDY 99.9999% GOOD PEOPLE FROM THEM ALL AROUND THE WORLD,EVEN THEY TOO HATE THEM,WHY R U HANG SUCH SHAME CLAIM,QURAN PROMOTING 25 PROPHET HISTORY,HADITH HAS 100 OF SAHABA ,,,,,THERE R THOUSANDS OF SCHOLARS ,THINKERS,IDEAL& MORAL PERSONALITY EXISTING OUR EARTH & PASSED AWAY FROM US ,WHY R U THINKING ABOUT THEM?…………THEY R THE IDEAL MUSLIM……………STUDY RELIGION ISLAM FROM THEM………………………

  221. 18:17. And you might have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the midst of the Cave. That is (one) of the Ayât (proofs, evidences, signs) of Allâh. He whom Allâh guides, is rightly guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Walî (guiding friend) to lead him (to the right Path).

    24:46. We have indeed sent down (in this Qur'ân) manifest Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, lawful and unlawful things, and the set boundries of Islâmic religion, etc. that make things clear showing the Right Path of Allâh). And Allâh guides whom He wills to a Straight Path (i.e. to Allâh's religion of Islâmic Monotheism).

    6:161. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrâhim (Abraham), Hanifa [i.e. the true Islâmic Monotheism - to believe in One God (Allâh i.e. to worship none but Allâh, Alone)] and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn ."

    17:84. Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "Each one does according to Shakilatihi (i.e. his way or his religion or his intentions, etc.), and your Lord knows best of him whose path (religion, etc.) is right."

  222. I M TALKING TO HUMAN BEING ,WITH SENSE ORGANS & LOGIC & KNOWLEDGE,NOT BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIES…………. BELIEVING ISLAPHOBIC LIE FROM LAYERS………………………….

    WELCOME BACK TO THE WORLD OF KNOWLEDGE:

  223. @Shabeer,
    //He created out of dust//
    And there lies your error. In fact a host of them. Now you can try the following questions:
    1. If Adam was created out of dust, doesn't it contradict Evolution? Or was Adam the code name for RNA (or some other protein or Amino Acid)?
    2. If Adam was created out of dust, why does Q24:45 say that (SHAKIR) And Allah has created from water every living creature? Wasn't Adam a living creature?
    3. If Adam was created out of dust, why does Q96:2 say (YUSUFALI) Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood? Wasn't Adam a man?
    4. Also between 2 and 3, isn't a man a living creature?
    5. If Adam was created from dust, why does Q15:26 say (YUSUFALI) We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape? Wasn't Adam a man?
    6. Between 3 and 5, what exactly is a man created from, mud-pack or lot of blood?
    Go figure.

  224. (3:59) Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was.

  225. Where is kufr Ali Sina? I am not interested to talk with his stooges. Ali Sina why do not you come?

  226. Indian, Burma, West, Zion and civilized world all are doing very little to control the pests. Sometime humans are more deadly the pests. Killing them could be only way out. But why a Salafi kills a fellow Salafi in Saudi ?

  227. @Innocent Guy
    If any animal or insect do harm of humans it must be killed. What is wrong in it? Do not you kill mosquitoes, snake etc if they are in your house?

  228. Slave of Prophet said Animals are not accountable for their acts.

    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 536:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle said, "Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation:– "Wouldn't it have been sufficient to burn a single ant? (that bit you).

    Allah the Merciful passes a revelation to kill an ant, just because it bit Mohammad.

  229. No doubt, Koran is a good mafia manual. It teaches the Mafia members, how
    to finish off the civilized world most effectively by minimizing internal quarrels
    among the Mafia gang ( Umma ). Shabbeer is proving the mafia characteristics of
    Islam. well done shabbeer. Expose more of Mohammad's mad ramblings.

  230. If no modi this time, you will loose India. You guys are divided in castes and sects so still Muslims rule you in your nation. They will end you, if you do not let Modi win this time.

  231. choothiya mohammadan when you kill innocent hindus in the name of religion shouldn't we retaliate?
    choothiya muslims are the worst animals in this world . when muslim pigs voted for a separate country why are they staying in india ? behenchod randi ke bachche.

  232. Well when Pigs called Wahabis attack the Khanqah Sharief of Hazrat Fardidudeen Ganj E Shikr RA at Pakpatan or Lakh Data peer Hazrat Sakhi Sarvar at Dera Ghazi Khan. Calling Suifs Mushriks or opposing the Nissan Mussala(Place for the ladies to worship in shrine vide Salat), what is motivating them ? let the government change in India and then only it will be cleared that who is attacking the Sufi shrine in India? In past, Shia tanzim, Dindar e Anjuman from Andhra did bombard a mosque of Ahle Sunnat perhaps during 2001.

  233. @Shabeer
    Killing of Muslim in Pakistan is due to Saudi Arbian policy not Jews. Pakistani Shia Muslims denounced Saudi Arabian policy of funding extremist groups that commit acts of violence against Muslims in Pakistan.

    Here is the story
    "Thousands of Shia Muslims have staged a demonstration in the southern Pakistani port city of Karachi to condemn the Shia killings in the South Asian country.
    They also denounced the Saudi Arabian policy of funding extremist groups that commit acts of violence against Muslims in Pakistan. " http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/06/296740/st

  234. Shabeer miyan,
    You talk absolute rubbish!

    Since the time of Muhammad, muslims have been killing each other — Muhammad burned to death a whole load of muslims inside a mosque, accusing them of being hypocritical muslims!

    After Muhammad's death, violent killings amongst muslims carried on unabated; this has continued to this day!

    And Jews, US capitalists and India/Pakistan were not involved in these killings.

    For non-muslims, killing an opponent is the last resort, especially to save oneself from death. But with muslims, it is the other way round, KILLING FOR THEM IS THE FIRST AND ONLY RESPONSE!

  235. Shabby,
    How can you forget that Muhammad, when he said that he had been made victorious through terror, was actually declaring himself to be a terrorist. Muhammadans have followed in his bloody foot steps to the point that they glorify terrorism. Zakir Naik calls on every muhammadan to be a terrorists. The Jews work relentlessly for the benefit of all mankind. Muhammadans transform the products of the Jews hard work and ingenuity into instruments with which to destroy humanity. A good example is the cell phone now used by muhammadans to explode bombs in crowded places.

  236. Shabby,
    Can you mention one good thing that islam has contributed to humanity?
    Muslims suffer from inferiority complex.
    That is why they always see Jews and the 'Capitalist' even in their dreams. These are people whose achievements the muhammadans are envious of and wish to emulate. But because they are unable to rise to that height, muhammadans resort to the sour grape philosophy by blaming their inadequacies on the Jews and Capitalists who also are foisted the guilt of the muhammadans' propensity for mischief making.

  237. Shabby,
    What exactly does this garbage prove? If anything, it shows that only muhammadans are to be spared from death by jihadists. There is no protection for the non muhammadan.

  238. OK. tell me what 3:59 says, what was Adam created of?

  239. 17:33. And do not kill anyone which Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islâmic law).

    4:92. It is not for a believer to kill a believer except (that it be) by mistake, and whosoever kills a believer by mistake, (it is ordained that) he must set free a believing slave and a compensation (blood money, i.e Diya) be given to the deceased's family, unless they remit it. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you and he was a believer; the freeing of a believing slave (is prescribed), and if he belonged to a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, compensation (blood money – Diya) must be paid to his family, and a believing slave must be freed. And whoso finds this (the penance of freeing a slave) beyond his means, he must fast for two consecutive months in order to seek repentance from Allâh. And Allâh is Ever All­Knowing, All­Wise.

    5:32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.

    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 14
    Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:

    I went to help that man (i.e., 'Ali), and on the way I met Abu Bakra who asked me, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that man." He said, "Go back, for I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'If two Muslims meet each other with their swords then (both) the killer and the killed one are in the (Hell) Fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! It is alright for the killer, but what about the killed one?' He said, 'The killed one was eager to kill his opponent."

    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 49
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

    The Prophet said, "Whoever killed a Mu'ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling)."

    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 30
    Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:

    While I was going to help this man ('Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that person." He said, "Go back for I have heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered one?' Allah's Apostle replied, "He surely had the intention to kill his companion."

  240. THE TRUE MUSLIM R FACING TWO PROBLEM #1 THEY R ATTACKED FROM PAK THROUGH THE HAND OF TERRORIST [SPONSORED BY JEW & CAPITALIST] HERE INDIA TRUE MUSLIM DIED THE HAND WITH HINDU TERRORIST [EX MALAGAAVE,GUJRATH,KANPUR,ETC]………………..

    THE REAL TERRORIST :
    # JEW & CAPITALIST[SPONSERS BOTH INDIA/PAK]
    #2 HINDU TERRORIST
    #3 TERRORIST [WITH ISLAMIC NAME] WORKING FOR MONEY ,PHYSICAL EARNING…………………

    GOD PROTECT US/WORLD FROM THE HANDS OF THESES TERRORIST:

  241. THERE R SOME GOOD PEOPLE IN ALL SOCIETY & A LITTLE BAD ONE ,ISLAM THE RELIGION PROMOTING/SUPPORTING/ENCOURAGING THE GOOD & RIGHTEOUS MANNERS.THERE R LOT OF GOOD MUSLIM IN PAK WHO FOLLOW THE TRUE PATH OF ISLAM………….SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE ISLAM & MORALITY ,WHO SPREADING FITHNA[PROBLEMS] FOR THEIR PERSONAL GRUDGE /SOME PHYSICAL/POLITICAL INTEREST………….ITS CONDEMNED, WHETHER IT DID BY MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN OR JEW OR HINDU,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHETHER IT DID BY HITLER,STALIN,BUSH,LADEN,MODI,ETC…………… THE ISLAMIC STAND TO WARDS THE MORALITY & TRUTH …………

    #2

    SOME PEOPLE IS THERE IN OUR WORLD ,THEY DON'T LIKE TO PEACE,THEY SPREAD THE PROBLEMS THROUGH THE WORLD,THEY R LOOKING FOR POLITICAL, ECONOMICAL& PHYSICAL EARNING…………..THE REAL TERRORIST SPONSORS R WESTERN JEW & CAPITALIST ,THEY SPREAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE TERRORIST & SAYS FROM THEIR MEDIA "ISLAM DID IT"……………..

  242. my question was " PLZ PROVE HERE[this site,by post] "………..what the meaning of it?………everyone know it………….i don't required some invalid site link,they spread lot of lie /hide the truth from the verses…..they never allow to us to clear it…………..HOW CAN IT BEING A MORAL DEBATE ?………….IF SINA HAS THE KNOWLEDGE/CONFIDENCE………….PLZ PROVE HERE,INFRONT OF THE PUBLIC "NOT THOUSAND " "AT LEAST ONE IS ENOUGH" THAT THE CHALLENGE ………….BUT HE ESCAPE FROM IT……………..BEC'S HE DON'T LIKE TO SAY SAHADHA FROM ME…………………

  243. @Ali Sina
    Why Pakistani Muslims are much violent than Indian Muslims? Why Muslim get killed in pakistan are 100 time more in numbers than Muslim killed in India a country non-believers? Why Muslim are more safe in the country of non-believers than country of believers like Pakistan & Afganistan etc.?

  244. Sunsetsinmuddywater
    Tuesday 16 April 2013, 5:12 am

    Quran is a manual (Godly directions) in which Allah prescribes hatred, killing Humans ( Allah's best creation) and also telling all sorts of lies.

  245. As you said in past an idea from Dr Zoker Sorry Zakir Naik that, as Pigs are immoral so by eating them, person becomes immoral. As per your logic, by eating any animal, human will loose his/her intellect and will become like an animal driven by instinct. So rape , murders etc all are done by instinct and as Allah SWT will forgive them, if done for Jihad. These are not at all immoral. Can you tell me which instinct was working with the Hudhud/ Hoopoe bird, when it dropped the pebbles and defeated the elephants, trying to trample the Mecca Sahrief ?

  246. Shabby, Slave , n other Muslims , what do you have to say on this matter?

  247. Violence and killings are the preamble of holy Qur'an ( Muslims considers them as "Righteous " and"Ethical" aspects of Mohammed's teachings and follow them religiously) ,if nothing is available for violence ,they commit it upon their own body (See during Moharam)your assessment is right ,at least now they are fearful of majority non-Muslims India.

  248. I think the Indian police doesn't play favouritism. If the Sunni kill the Shiite, the Sunni will be arrested and charged. But this doesn't happen in Pakistan, the killing fields. So the bombings of the Shiite have been going on there for umpteen years.

  249. @Knower,
    I can answer at least one
    //Why Pakistani Muslim killing their own Muslims brother but why Indian Muslim not killing their own Muslims brothers ?//
    Because Indian Muslims are yet to have a country of their own. If they ever have it they will start killing their own Muslim brothers.

  250. @shabeer
    What is difference between pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims? Why Pakistani Muslim more aggressive and violent than Indian Muslims? Why Pakistani Muslim killing their own Muslims brother but why Indian Muslim not killing their own Muslims brothers ?

  251. @Sakat
    Humans are Allah's best creation and Allah has given them intellect too. Animals do not have intellect they do all their work like eating, drinking, sex just by instinct. So, Animals are not accountable for their acts but humans have intellect also by which they do their activities in best way and enjoy in best way without disturbing others. Quran is a manual (Godly directions) in which Allah prescribes best way to do the things to keep the harmony and peace in the society.

  252. Who had created the "whole"(()) and the "one" (1)?,what is marriage (rituals ) ,why ?,Alla put these two things separately in human beings that is "One " is called the male ,who is the custodian of " "1"and the other is "Female" ,the custodian of "0"and, why ?, Mr. Allah is putting barricade of marriage to mingle and enjoy sex by male and female for re-productivity.The birds ,the fish ,the plants and other animals of this planet are doing these things without the interference of any Allah and they are happy,then why this Allah is interested and expect it from only human beings ,this Allah is baboon,ha,ha,ha..

  253. Shabby,
    But muhammadans, especially the shiites, still practice mut'ah today. Are they not being disobedient to your prophet who had forbidden it? Nothing in islam, apart from murder, rape and plunder, is permanent. Apart from those three, everything else is fluid depending on the whims and caprices of the individual. Muhammadanism is sh-t.

  254. Yea, to qualify for the 72 virgins.

  255. Dear @Johann,
    Not only does he repeat same stuff over and over, as soon as he is cornered he would drop the thread and start anew repeating the same stuff again. And he himself says, to quote him: "WHY R U THINKING ABOUT A POSITIVE DEBATE WITH MUSLIM", thats a point very well made. There can't be a positive debate with a muslim like him.

  256. Dear shabeer !
    You repeat same things over and over.It gets boring after a while.You don't debate,most of the time
    You refer us to what so and so says.
    We are interested in what you SHABEER has to say.Mabe we should get a vote,how many people in this site want you to copy and paste and if they actually read your comments.

  257. brother Johann :

    THE COMMON PEOPLE[WITH COMMON SENSE] CAN KNOW ,WHETHER MY POST islamic garbage OR HIDDEN TRUTH………..# give him special space WHY R U GOING TO ESCAPE FROM THE TRUTH? WHY R U THINKING ABOUT A POSITIVE DEBATE WITH MUSLIM, I LIKE TO DEBATE WITH NON MUSLIM WITH SOLID EVIDENCE ,MY POST FOR ALL OF PEOPLE CRITICIZE ISLAM WITH ZERO EVIDENCE …………. PLZ BEHAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT COURAGEOUS

  258. Mr. sina !
    Shabeer is filling this site with islamic garbage.It is hard to read other comments.I know he is going to accuse you of censorship ,but if it is possible give him special space ,and whoever wants to read his nonsenses can go there and enjoy his jiberish.Thank you

  259. Hey Imad,
    Listen to Mr. Sina carefully. and do read the comments of Shabbir the neo age Prophet (lol)… strike where it matters…
    regards…

  260. "Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His sovereignty) for men of understanding. Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou created not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire" (Surah Ale-Imran, 3: 190, 191)

    Before Islam, nearly every religion, which existed then, adopted creatures as God. This concept stopped them to think in the reality of the creatures of the heaven and earth. When Islam came it concentrated the human belief only in Allah and regarded the entire universe as the servant of the human beings. Thus, Islam opened the door of independent thinking in Muslims and it led them to a grand era of science.

    It is not correct to write: "they (students) are not allowed to learn about modern scientific ideas such as evolution, secular histories of other nations, or anything which would conflict with the religious tenants of Islam." There is a vast difference between believing and learning. Islam has fully allowed Muslims to learn scientific education but not to believe in the matters that contradict with established Islamic beliefs. Because, the science is ever-growing and ever-changing. For example, the scientific facts of Newton in 17th century known as 'Gravitation Laws' were so widely believed that those who denied were called as insane. But, later in 20th century Einstein came and the entire theory of Newton turned up side down. So, as a Muslim, one should think whether one is going to change one's beliefs which are told by All-Knowing Allah to the notions that have no concrete ground.

    Some one wrote "Some of the religious schools (madrasas) merely propagandize militant Islamic beliefs and indoctrinate little boys into becoming warriors for the next Jihad." I do not know any madrasa, specially in India, where so called 'militant Islamic beliefs' are 'propagandized', and I do not even understand what this 'militant Islamic beliefs' mean. Likewise, the one who made this statement should point out in which madrasa little boys are indoctrinated to become 'warriors for Jihad'. I will be highly thankful to the one who wrote this to provide me correct information. Otherwise, let me very plainly say that the above statement is a lie and some people became habitual to believe in wide spread lies. They have closed their sights and hearing and blocked their minds and now believe blindly in what's being spread by some anti-Islamic elements.

  261. #inbreed religion that denounces critical thinking…………………
    10 Famous People Who Married Their Cousins
    Albert Einstein,Charles Darwin,Edgar Allan Poe,H.G. Wells,is they r FOOL?…………. http://listverse.com/2008/07/20/10-famous-people-
    Likewise, in Islam 'Amr bil Maroof' (enjoining the right) and 'Nahy anil Munkar' (forbidding from wrong) are the basic rules of a social life, which Allah almighty has counted in one of the characteristics of this Ummah as He states:

    "You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind. You enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and you believe in Allah." (Surah Ale-Imran, 3:110)

    This is emphasized by other verses and holy Hadiths, as for example a Hadith says:

    "If any of you sees an evil done he/she should stop it by his hand, if he/she cannot he/she should protest against it, if cannot then at least he/she should repulse it by heart, and this is the weakest from of faith." (Sahih Muslim, V 1 p 51)

    As another Hadith assets "The best form of Jihad is to utter the truth before an oppressor ruler". You might know the story of a common person who stood before Hazrat Umar Farooq while he was delivering a sermon and said if you will go wrong we will rectify you by our swords, in reply Hazrat Umar thanked Allah that his caliphate enjoys persons determined for truth and justice. Here, one thing should be kept in mind that, though Islam has allowed criticizing, it sternly prohibits backbiting and hurting others.

    "O ye who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), nor let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by (insulting) nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil doers. O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful." (Surah Al-Hujrat, 49: 12, 13)

    So, this means that criticism should not be for the sake of criticism, and on personal basis but it should be with a good intention, i.e. 'Islaah' based on social etiquettes.

    All these things prove that Islam has never discouraged independent thinking and criticizing, it has allowed human mind to function in areas where it can work. Not only this that Islam has allowed independent thinking, but it is The Glorious Qur'aan which has set the tradition of thinking in the creation of Allah and asked its followers to reflect on the natural phenomena. For example the Glorious Qur'aan praises people who think:

  262. The exact number of students being poisoned is 479. No wonder the rest went amok. And this is not the first case nor the last.

  263. Sennels concludes:
    There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims' religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. (This has produced) overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences.
    Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Judeo-Christian compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous cult. These stark realities must be taken into account when we establish public polices dealing ! with immigration from Muslim countries and the building of mosques in the U.S.
    Let's hope the civilized West and the North Americans wake up before a blind naivete about the reality of Islam destroys what remains of our culture and our domestic tranquility.

  264. Dear cleric Shabeer and Slave of prophet, please read :
    1400 yrs of Muslim Inbreeding
    This article is NEVER meant to "insult" Muslims but a medical and scientific results of research done over the years.
    1400 Years of Inbreeding. Very Enlightening!

    A huge Muslim problem: Inbreeding
    Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

    This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.
    This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world, since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage. The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.
    According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan , the numbers approach 70%. Even in England , more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.
    The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia , 64% in Jordan , and Kuwait , 63% in>Sudan , 60% in Iraq , and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.
    According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK , they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects. The risk of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher and the risk of death due to malformation! s is 10 times higher. Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.
    Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguineous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies. The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as "retarded," increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages. (Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.) In Denmark , non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.
    Sennels says that "the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world." He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.
    In the last 1,200 years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.
    Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. "A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies."
    Only nine Muslims have ever won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the "Peace Prize." According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).
    In Denmark , Sennels' native country, Muslim children are grossly over-represented ! among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.
    Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.
    Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of patients in Denmark 's biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background.
    The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, "One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.

  265. most of the muslims in west are paedophiles.

  266. “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters and the believing
    women that they should cast their outer garments over their
    persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be
    known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most
    Merciful.” (33:59)
    “And say to the believing women that they should lower their
    gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty
    and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they
    should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty
    except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their
    sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons or,
    their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right
    hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children
    who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not
    strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments.
    And O ye believers! Turn ye all together towards God, that ye may
    attain bliss.” (24:31)
    “And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display,
    like that of the former times of ignorance; and establish regular
    prayer, and give regular charity; and obey God and His Apostle. And
    God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of
    the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” (33:33)
    Prostitutes dress in such fashion as to enable those in need of
    them to identify them. The Devadasis who were attached to temples
    had, for purposes of identification, their own way of dressing. It may
    also be seen that the Hetaerae of Greece, the Chin kuwan Jen of
    China and the Gaishes of Japan – all had their own ways of dressing.
    They could all be identified by this code of apparel. Those in need of
    them could also be invited thereby.
    The ideal woman as envisioned by Islam is modest and pious;
    chaste and virtuous – she is never approached by sex starved wolves;
    is not advanced upon by any with pleas for sexual gratification. This
    must all be discernible from her dressing itself. That prostitutes were
    to sit by windows with their breasts uncovered was a prescription in
    the legal code of fifteenth century Venice. It was indeed, a prescription
    for judging the quality of the available goods for those sex starved
    persons who came to satisfy their craving! How strange, indeed, it is
    that modern day women should have as their attire those that resemble
    the ones used by the prostitutes of yesteryear to attract the possible
    users of their bodies. The Qur'an, however, recommends that
    believing women and those who sell their bodies must be clearly distinguishable
    from each other and that, too, by the clothes that they
    wear.The whole life of
    modern man has become sexually oriented. Things have come to such
    a pass that from the choice of the coffee that one drinks early in the
    morning to the pillow that one uses to sleep late in the night there is
    no escape from casting a glance, howsoever, cursory, on the feminine
    curves exploited inorder to sell the product.
    It has also been for the very same reason that molestation of
    women has steadily been on the increase.The prominent officials who are forced to resign their jobs owing to
    the humiliation of sex scandals connecting them to their female secretaries!
    Women of royalty who publicly proclaim that they have sexual
    relationships with many men! So goes the list of news articles that we
    get to read in the daily newspapers. Indeed, it is a situation wherein
    women are unable to travel in peace! Wherein they are unable to
    work in security! In fact, our society seems to be rushing headlong.The Qur’an advices women to
    dress decently as a first step towards ending acts of adultery, rape and
    sexual harassment.How is a woman to dress modestly? Is it the way of dressing
    of the Devadasis of yore who displayed the hair, the major portion of
    the breasts and the belly as well? Or is it the traditional dress of the
    Haetarae of Greece who wore their clothing up to their knees – clothing
    which displayed the neck and the hair? Or will it be attire of the Chin
    Kuwan Jen of China who showed off to men the contours of their
    body by the use of tight fitting clothes? Or is it the Islamic way in
    which loose fitting clothes that cover all parts of the body except the
    face and forehands are worn by woman?

  267. The majority of the people in Europe
    and America have accepted the system of dating wherein young girls
    and boys come to know each other intimately, to intermingle with each
    other freely and even to sleep together as well before marriage. It is,
    after all, this acceptance and licentious ways that has served to torment
    that society with the afflictions of deadly diseases like AIDS and of
    other numerous mental disorders. In fact, the increasing rate of crime
    and sex related diseases in third world countries, like India, which are
    passionately following the western values owes this to their dependence
    on democracy to deliver the right course of conduct. Here, the fact
    becomes clear that it is the Lord God Himself, who created man, Who
    is to teach how man is to lead his life.
    What is modern democracy? It is nothing but a new name that
    has been conferred upon Capitalism. Are not man and woman equal
    in the capitalist world? For those who seek to give the answer merely
    by looking upon the participating presence of both the sexes at the
    offices, it may be possible to give ‘yes’ as an answer. However, they
    refuse to accept the fact that Capitalism prevents woman from fulfilling
    the role which nature has demanded of her. Modern Democracy can
    very well ask woman to work alongside man, to earn her salary and
    to go forth into the market place. But who, indeed, can ask man to
    undertake pregnancy, to give birth and to breast-feed like the woman.
    It may, perhaps, be possible for capitalism to ask the nation to provide
    for woman who gives birth to a child who knows not its own father.
    But, which, indeed, is the ideology that can confer solace upon the
    woman who yearns to be fondled by the father of the child within her?
    It may be possible for a consumerist culture to provide baby food for
    the offspring that is born without ever being able to know the identity
    of its own parents. But, which television ad is it that will provide
    contentment to the minds of the little ones who yearn for the love of
    the mother and the protection of the father?
    The equality of the sexes is a myth; a myth that has been fostered
    within human minds by democracy with the aid of the media. A woman
    can never become likea man nor can a man ever become likea woman.
    Western democracy, which teaches woman to be like man, is, in reality,
    making the life of woman unbearable. Through this, it wrecks the
    family and, with it, the very moral fibre of the society as well.
    Capitalism sees every thing in the world as a part of
    consumerism. Man and woman are no exceptions. Their emotions or
    their problems are hardly issues of its concern. For it looks only to the
    market. It thinks of nothing but the objects that will serve to accelerate
    the various processes therein. This is the position of woman in
    capitalism. She is always the model, the call-girl, the stenographer, the
    secretary, the dancer, the actress; but never is she allowed to be the
    mother by capitalism. After all, her being a mother would diminish her
    market value; wouldn’t it?! Then she becomes an old woman; an
    inhabitant of old-age homes; one destined to live the rest of her life
    counting the days to her end.
    The Qur'an, however, presents a most practical, yet moral,
    system. A practical system which moves forward always in harmony
    with human nature. In its vision, the human being is not only the one
    with rosy cheeks and unwrinkled skin, but he is also the child within its
    mother’s womb as also the aged one awaiting death. Indeed, its
    command encompasses even the dead body which is never to be
    violated.
    The Qur'an is never in conformity with the utilitarianism of
    Capitalism. This is the main point of divergence where the Qur'anic
    vision differs from the view of modern democracy over the subject of
    woman. The Qur'an never sees woman as a source of economic gain.
    It never agrees to see her as an instrument of trade either; for she is
    one half of the human soul; the veritable mother of society. It is her
    motherhood which Islam considers first and foremost. It emphasizes
    that it is on the lap of the mother that the very bedrock of the institution
    of the family, the fundamental unit of morality that is so vital in society,
    is nurtured. The Lord Creator, who revealed the Qur'an, is well aware
    of the difficulties and limitations faced by a woman who becomes a
    mother. Indeed, these have been given due consideration by the Qur'an.
    The outlook of capitalism is that it is virginity – in fact, that hypocritical
    pretentious virginity – that has the most ‘market value’. This has also
    been the basic difference in the professed value – frameworks of Islam
    and Capitalism.

  268. pornography is what?

    a naked woman?
    or is pornography the filth of the mind that takes a beautiful body that was created by God and makes it hated?

    These islamist just hate everything God created and want to make everyone else a slave of this hate.. These poor poor children have no love in their lives, and hate the idea that a women would never actually love them as a person.. how can they be loved when they hate themselves because some stupid book teaches them that they are even hated by God..

    This hate, this pornography, this violence and killing all come from their lack of belief in a loving God.. Mohammad has really done a number on these poor ignorant slaves

  269. pornography is what?

    a naked woman?
    or is pornography the filth of the mind that takes a beautiful body that was created by God and makes it hated?

    These islamist just hate everything God created and want to make everyone else a slave of this hate.. These poor poor children have no love in their lives, and hate the idea that a women would never actually love them as a person.. how can they be loved when they hate themselves because some stupid book teaches them that they are even hated by God..

    This hate, this pornography, this violence and killing all come from their lack of belief in a loving God.. Mohammad has really done a number on these poor ignorant slaves

  270. Will happen over and over again.

    when you teach to hate the nonbeliever and to mistrust and to lie (taquiya).. this will infect your life with hate, mistrust and lies..

    so what happens? you do not care or love the people arround you and the voices in your head find no peace.. the food you prepare for others is then poisoned by your thoughts and whammo looki here.. 450 people suffer from this poison..

    whereas food prepared with love, is prepared in a clean loving environment.. You have loving people arround you and the place is infected with laughter..
    peace

  271. Perhaps,this may work.
    Egypt students protest over mass poisoning
    CAIRO (Reuters) – Some 500 Egyptian students broke into the headquarters of the country's top Islamic university on Tuesday to demand the resignation of its president following a mass food poisoning on campus, a security official said. Over 450 students were admitted to hospitals.
    This type of cases are not uncommon in Muslim countries.
    Our Shabeer had forgotten to teach them Mo's methods of preparing food.

  272. I dont think pornography will work, because it snds like just a rebellion. Once you rebel, you're satisfacted and you can go back to your old lifestyle.

    the rebel thing I did was skipping school (I'm a western and also rather calm). but this hadn't changed me.
    I think is better that 'muslim' women are encouraged to do things that 'femen' do. even if they pose naked (and with messages on their body), they still don't look vulgar, they instead look serious, they hurt islam and the message that they send is more powerful.

  273. OMG, the crazy islamist is still here…

    But maybe is better. More he (the self proclaimed slave) stay here, higher are the possibility that he, one day will leave islam.

  274. As per Ahle Hadith and non Sufi Ahle Sunnat, Ahadith can override Holy Koran. I have no issue on that. Just an input, that in another post here itself, Slave of Prophet(who i call Abdu Rasul) has quoted a text from Holy Hadith, which tells about Arabs to be the rulers of Islamic nation and Abdu Rasul claimed to be an Arab, whose ancestors came to Indian sub continent. I do not want to elaborate about, how Saudi bastards treat my poor Bangladeshi Muslim brethren. Just a ploy that wrong doing of Muslims could not be used as an evidence against Islam, will not work. As this only shows the failure of texts or their interpretations or their interpreters, to be used in practical purposes. I asked you there just below the post of Abdu Rasul.

  275. Don't you worship the VAGINA STONE hajjar aswad?

  276. TWO WEAK /POOR/INVALID/ILLOGICAL/FALSE STATEMENT

    1) Western countries publish crime statistics due to their transparent nature, in Islamic countries such crimes are under-reported…………………………..

    BROTHERS/SISTERS WHERE R U GOING TO HIDE? WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF THESES FALSE STATEMENT? MUSLIM COUNTRIES HAS THE CRIME RECORD SERVICE & OTHERS ……….SOME MUSLIM COUNTRIES TOO INCLUDE MY LINK WITH LOWER RANKING ………….THEY TOO RECORD THE CRIME ……….THAT NOT VALUABLE REPLAY FOR MY CLAIMS……………..

    2) THE HIGHER CRIME STATICS OF WEST DUE TO THE MINORITY MUSLIMS…………I DON'T KNOW WHO R THE MAJORITY IN WESTERN WORLD IS MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM? MUSLIM MAJORITY R LOWER RANKING & MUSLIM MINORITY HIGHER RANKING ,I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIRACLE LOGIC WAS IT?

  277. Divorce rate:- ………………..IN NORMAL SITUATION THE DIVORCE RATE WHO FOLLOWING POLYGAMY IS HIGHER THAN THE MONOGAMY ……………… BUT MIRACLE ,ISLAMIC COUNTRIES R LESS DIVORCE RATE ,BEC'S RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FAMILY MEMBERS IS CONSIDER TO BE A DIVINE ACT ,ALLHA QUESTIONED ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE FAMILY MOTHER,FATHER,WIFE,CHILDREN AND OTHERS………….

    Child Prostitution:-……………I PROVED WITH EVIDENCE ,ISLAM THE ONLY RELIGION ON EARTH PROHIBITED CHILD MARRIAGE
    Noble Verse(s) 17:34
    [017:034] Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the ''age of full strength''; and fulfil (every) ''engagement'', for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).

    [004:006] Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up.

    [024:059] But when the children among you ''come of age'', let them (also) ask for ''permission'', as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.

    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    Allah's Apostle said, "It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage). I said, "A virgin feels shy." The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent." Some people said, "If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then she attains the age of puberty and agrees to marry him and the judge accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage."

    A CHALLENGE ANY RELIGION ON EARTH PROMOTE THE TWO CONDITION 1)her consent 2) attains the age of puberty &FULL STRENGTHS FOR CONDITION FOR MARRIAGE IS THERE PLZ PROVE IT HERE…………………..OR U REMEMBER THAT " THE MOST SUITABLE SECOND CHANCE IS TODAY "

  278. "Rape percapita:-……………….WHY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES CRIME RATE [ESPECIALLY RAPE DECREASE COMPARE TO OTHERS]

    1) STRONG PINAL LAW
    Any penal law can be said to be practicable if it exhibits the
    following qualities:
    1. It becomes a retribution for the crime committed.
    2. It prevents crime.
    3. It serves to create a sense of dread in criminals.
    4. It serves to assuage the feelings of the victims who have
    undergone privations.
    5. It seeks to refine and transform the criminal.
    6. It provides for the compensation of those who suffered losses
    due to the crime.
    7. It seeks to make the criminal repent his deed.
    8. It seeks to protect the society from crime and disorder.
    All of these qualitative functions may be seen to be fulfilled by
    any of the penal laws in Islam. It can thus be said without a shadow of
    doubt, that they are, indeed, practicable.

    2) THE SITUATION OF RAPE COMPLETELY PROHIBITED:

    One : Men and women are to dress decently. As sight constitutes
    the prime motivation of the sexual impulse in man, women are not to
    dress in such a fashion as to display their beauty.
    Two : There should be nothing in society which is of a sexually
    provocative nature. Indeed, in an Islamic society caberrets, dances,
    beauty contests, ballets and the like are never permitted.
    Three : The unrestricted mingling of the sexes, which ultimately
    leads to adultery, must be prevented.
    Four : The use of sex as a profession must be completely
    banned. For in an Islamic society, prostitutes, call-girls, sex-bombs,
    nude models and the like are an impossibility.
    Five: Men and women (excepting for the husband or any relative
    with whom marriage has been prohibited ) are not to travel together.
    Six :Men and women are not to converse freely except in the
    presence of another person.
    Seven: Unless they have become mates through the institution
    of marriage, men and women are not to gaze at each other with lewed
    passion.
    Eight : They are not to speak, or flirt, in a manner that evokes lust.
    Nine : If a man comes with the offer of marriage, the guardians
    of the woman must come forward to offer her in marriage to him if he
    is seen to be of a suitable person.
    Ten : In the case of the men who cannot find contentment in a
    single woman, there is also the provisions – albeit, a conditional one –
    to marry more than one woman.

  279. IBNU KATHEER TRANSILATION ABOUT (Qur'an 5:32).
    Human Beings Should Respect the Sanctity of Other Human Beings
    Allah says,
    مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ …
    Because of that,
    Allah says, because the son of Adam killed his brother in transgression and aggression,
    … كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ …
    We ordained for the Children of Israel…,
    meaning, We legislated for them and informed them,
    … أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا …
    that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.
    The Ayah states, whoever kills a soul without justification — such as in retaliation for murder or for causing mischief on earth — will be as if he has killed all mankind, because there is no difference between one life and another.
    وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا (and if anyone saved a life…),
    by preventing its blood from being shed and believing in its sanctity, then all people will have been saved from him, so,أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا (it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind).
    Al-Amash and others said that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said,
    "I entered on Uthman when he was under siege in his house and said, `I came to give you my support. Now, it is good to fight (defending you) O Leader of the Faithful!'
    He said, `O Abu Hurayrah! Does it please you that you kill all people, including me?'
    I said, `No.'
    He said, `If you kill one man, it is as if you killed all people. Therefore, go back with my permission for you to leave. May you receive your reward and be saved from burden.'
    So I went back and did not fight.'''
    Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn Abbas said,
    "It is as Allah has stated,
    …مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا …
    if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.
    Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden.
    So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.''
    Similar was said by Mujahid;
    وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا (And if anyone saved a life…),
    means, he refrains from killing a soul.
    Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn Abbas said that Allah's statement, فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا (it would be as if he killed all mankind…) means,
    "Whoever kills one soul that Allah has forbidden killing, is just like he who kills all mankind.''

  280. e.g. in Islamic countries killing a non-believer is not a crime……………………………..PROOF NEEDED,THE COUNTRY………………BUT I HAVE PROOF THAT KILLING BELIEVER OR NON BELIEVER IS " DEATH PENALTY " IS THE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR SOME OF THE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES………….
    A study done in 2005 found that the following countries did the most executions:[source?]
    China (At least 1,770 executions)
    Iran (At least 94)
    Saudi Arabia (At least 86)
    United States (60)
    Pakistan (31)
    Yemen (24)
    Vietnam (21)
    Jordan (11)
    READ IT FIVE OF THEM R ISLAMIC:
    as expressed in the Qur'an, capital punishment is condoned. Instead, murder is treated as a civil crime and is covered by the law of retaliation, whereby the relatives of the victim decide whether the offender is punished with death by the authorities or made to pay diyah as compensation.[25] Muslims frequently refer to the story of Cain and Abel when referring to killing someone. The Qur'an says the following:
    "If anyone kills person– unless it be (a punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief in the land— it would be as if he killed all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people" (Qur'an 5:32).
    This verse, in accordance with the Mosaic Law, maintains that the punishment for murder is the death penalty. "Mischief in the land" has been interpreted universally to refer to one who upsets the stability of the entire nation or community, in that his actions seriously damage the society, either through corruption, war or otherwise.
    http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment

  281. Assume you are killed in a raid(gazwa/jihad), your sister or your wife is captured ( I don,t intend to mean it), and the raiders wants to/ have sex with them, by what name would you call that act ?

  282. But Allah also said the sun sets in muddy pond in Sura 18:83-86. You said there is no error in Quran and also said it is the most scientific book, why the error then. You asked for proof and I am showing you one. But if you are really confused, then rather than asking us, you should ask your Imam or Allah. I,m sure your Imam would prove it to you that in the 7th century the sun would set in the muddy pond, and now the system has changed and you would come satisfied with the answer.

  283. BROTHER MY LAST POST I PROVED WITH QURANIC AND HADETH THE ISLAMIC STAND FOR CAST SYSTEM
    “O mankind!
    We created you from a single (pair) of male and female and
    made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other.
    Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most
    righteous of you and God has full knowledge and is well acquainted’’
    (Qur’an 49:13)..

    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 122
    Narrated Jarir:

    The Prophet said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida': Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), "Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other)." LIKE Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4721

    SOME PEOPLE @THEY R SAYS TO BE MUSLIM DID AGAINST THE ISLAMIC LAW IS NOT RESPONSIBLE TRUE FOLLOWER OF ISLAM…………………

    WHAT WAS A SENSUAL MAN CALL TO BE "PURE CAST SYSTEM "
    HINDU AUTHORIZED VEDA/UPANISHADS SAYS
    "The Brahmana was his [God's] mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya made. His thighs became the Vaishya, from his feet the Shudra was produced." [Purusha Sukta; Rigveda 10/90/12 and Yajurveda 31/11 and Atharvaveda 19/6/6]
    "For Brahman (Priesthood) he binds a Brahmana to the stake; for Kshatriya (Royalty) a Rвjanya; for rearing cattle a Vaishya; for Penance a Shudra;" [Yajurveda 30/5]

    "For Dance, God creates a Soot." [Yajurveda 30/6]
    "Even if ten former husbands—none a Brahmin—had espoused a dame, And then a Brahmin took her hand, he is her husband, only he, not Vaisya, not Rajanya, no, the Brahmin is indeed her lord:" [Atharvaveda 5/17/8-9]
    "O Indra, what do the cows make for you among the Kikatas[LOWER CAST PEOPLE]? They neither yield milk for your offerings, nor do they warm the vessel of libation. Bring to us these cows, bring to us also the wealth of Pramagand (their King). O Brave one, grant us the possessions of the people of low status." [Rigveda 3:53:14]
    Chandogya Upanishad 5/10/7 says,

    "Those whose conduct here on earth has been good will quickly attain some good birth—birth as a brahmin, birth as a kshatriya, or birth as a vaisya. But those whose conduct here has been evil will quickly attain some evil birth—birth as a dog, birth as a pig, or birth as a chandala."
    A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions. [Manu 8/417]

    IS JUST SAMPLE FOR MORE PLZ : http://agniveer.info/Thread-caste-of-a-person-dephttp://www.islamhinduism.com/hinduism/analysis/24

  284. THAT JUST SAMPLE REPLAY TO SINNA FOR HIS CLAIM " My allies are Christians, Hindus, and peoples of other faiths that know morality is the foundation of the society and strive for the spiritual betterment of the individual and the world. "

  285. "because 99% of all rapes are committed by………………………WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? PERSONAL OPINION [WHETHER ITS FROM ALI SINNA OR OTHERS ] IS REJECTED …………………..I PROVED MY LAST WHO R THE PRESENT CRIMINALS & RAPERS WITH EVIDENCE ………………….HERE WE R HUMAN BEING WITH SENSE AND BRAIN ……………….WE NEED TO EVIDENCE FOR OUR CLAIM,WITHOUT THE EVIDENCE CLAIM IS INVALID…………….

    MY ADVICE TO ALL MEMBERS :PROVE HERE U'R CLAIM WITH PROPER EVIDENCE OR
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    BUT

    "THE SECOND CHANCE IS TODAY "

    WELCOME TO ALL TO THE WORLD OF ETERNITY ,SALVATION & THE COMPLETE WAY OF TRANSFORMATION HERE AND HERE AFTER:

  286. I agree.

    "The Islam must be eliminated by all means, why? Because it is a danger to U.S., Israeli, western culture and all humanity."

    That line got me feeling suspicious. Coming from a Libyan, shouldn't his main concern be his nation of Libya?
    He didn't mention it there, and didn't mention it at all. It almost look like he's 'ingratiating' himself to what he mistakenly suspect to be Sina's goal (the US, Israel, western Culture…), in order to make Ali Sina be agreeable to him.

    I think this Imad's a fake, perhaps plant by Sina's enemies, a trap meant to lure Sina into saying something wrong so Imad dan his fellow islamists then could use to attack Sina with.

    Good thing Sina didn't fall for it.
    You can never be too careful.

  287. This guy I mad is using the 18th trick of thaquia ,that is why he address Mr. Ali Sina as his leader .
    Also his name suggest that he is mad .
    Later the Islamic band wagon will refer this site as the inspiration or the brain child of this mad man's is
    Mr.Ali Sina .
    Do not entertain this crack ,or the gang behind this mail they wanted to defame Ali Sina that is their aim .
    So get lost !! mad man Imad ( ) .

  288. Slave of Prophet
    Monday 1 April 2013, 8:43 am

    @Innocent Guy
    I find nothing like rape in above hadith. Hadith is about what to do with the non-believers women. There is nowhere mention of rape.

  289. Arab Porn 3….. Here Mohammad allows his men to rape.

    "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

  290. Some daughters were killed for merely talking to men or just being friendly to them.

  291. OMG ! Save dirty menses water ? How scientific is that ?

  292. http://www.yogiadityanath.in/contact.html this link is for the Hindus. Your future lies with these people. Their Guru Gorakhanath was main reason behind the defeat of Junaid and Arabs in India. He only united all the tribes of India, under the one formless God called Nirankar and made Bappa Rawal as commander. Arabs were forced to become their tributary. It is up to you to have faith in one God, who is in all and unite. Though Islamist have risen in numbers. But if you see formless God in fellow Zoroastrians,Christians , Bahais, Sikhs, Buddhists etc, you still have numbers on your sides. Sufis are praying for you to liberate them from Islamists, so that they could worship Allah without being hindered by Wahabis.

  293. Shabeer, you are stupidiot….too many bad acts in western countries dont make Islam good !!!

  294. I think your movement will get some visible momentum if you can convince few highly popular Muslims (like cricket player, some renowned professor, some scientist) to become apostates.

  295. BustedDivinity, good job.

  296. 90% of all killing in Europeis done by Muslims immigrants, but these dastardly acts are never documented by Muslims let alone spread on the web. In fact, the Al azhar Sunni Council certified Sharia manual upholds such barbarism it says: not subject for retaliation is a father who killed his son or his son's son.

    Islam has taken away many women rights, among those is the women,s right to higher education… an estimated 70% of girls in West Africa do not attain higer education.

    In fact, even educated Muslims men are forced to compartmentalize their knowledge or are forced to believe in any tendentious conspiracy theory…you shouldn't be surprised upon hearing a Muslim who denies that Man was on the Moon.

    About your claim of gun usage in the West, Muslims are arguably more likely to use bombs and guns on the daily basis….how else do they kill each other in their internecine Shiites vs Sunnis perpetual war?

    So Mr. Shabeer, the next time you intend to write about countries' crime record you should know that Islam itself is a crime against humanity, Islam is absent from those statistics because it is garbed in a divine outfit, but we are not fooled.

  297. Islam is stealthily evil, honor killing is a Muslim culture that have been going on for centuries, Muslim purge their households by killing any child that brings in shame to the famly….they atrociously kill daughters for the crime of unwanted pregnancy or having an affair with a non-Muslim.

  298. It is my contention that the Muslim countries are the world's worst in almost all human right indices.

    The axis of evil revolves around Arabia and other Islam infested backwaters of civilization…. In Muslim lands women are just mere properties, In Saudi women were barred from the most basic human right i.e voting, they just recently rescinded that draconian bill.

    In Muslim lands, many human beings are denied the inalienable right of 'existence' hundreds are killed daily just because Mohammad had issued out killing commands in the 7th century…..the percentage of those whose right to life is taken away is 60% more rampant in Muslim lands that anywhere else.

  299. That's right Kyra. I read an article recently that highlighted the ominous link between Muslims in the West and rape.

    But people like Shabeer would hardly see the forest for the Trees. Western countries publish crime statistics due to their transparent nature, in Islamic countries such crimes are under-reported. But the overall evil of Islam is in its sanctioning of crimes. If we are to count the number of underaged girls that are being forced into sex around the Muslim world on daily basis -then the number will be appalling…..but girls of 9 yrs old allowed to marry in Islam….hence pedophilia is almost 70% more rampant in Muslim lands than any other infidel country.

    Same goes for lasciviousness and libertinage, Islam upholds multiple wives and made divorce easy for the man so that he can augment his passion with newer brides…bastardization and dehumanization of women through polygamy is estimatedly 90% in Muslim lands as compared to to other regions.

  300. dear shabeer
    you look an educated person to me and still you are posting such false stats. you might know the reason why there is no Muslim country in this list. Let me explain.

    CRIME RATE:-
    in the west and non-Muslim countries, the definition of crime is different from definition of crime in Islamic countries. e.g. in Islamic countries killing a non-believer is not a crime, suicide bombing and genocide in the name of Allah is not crime, decimating churches temples is not crime, honor killing is not crime, stoning women to death is not crime. add these few crimes and Islamic countries will be at the top of this list, But as i said these are not crimes in Islamic countries.

    Rape percapita:-
    you must be out of your mind for mentioning rape stats. i wont be surprised if you name me a few Islamic countries where there is not rape reported at all. But isn't it obvious, women need four men to testify the rape and if proved, the man will be lashed 50 times and if the women fail to prove, she will be stoned to death. Now, how the hell can a woman prove the rape? no man would rape a woman in public or bring four men with him and make them watch the rape being done. it is impossible to prove a rape in Islamic countries and that woman who report the rape in Islamic country is Stupid, out of her mind or fed up of living and just want to die.

    Divorce rate:-
    Again, if a man can marry four women, obviously the divorce rate will be low.An islamic man will only divorce if he wants to marry for fifth time. So you just multiply the divorce rate by 4 and then you will get the real stats.

    Child Prostitution:-
    well, no need to say, Muslim just marry those children. Sheikhs from Saudi Arabia go to Hydrabad and marry small poor Muslim girls for a week and sometime even for a day and just divorce them and go back a noble man. I don't know what you call it, but i call it child prostitution.

    Change you perspective a little my brother, you will see the truth.

  301. @Doddy
    I think it is you who are impostor. Why do you think I am impostor?

  302. Slave of the Prophet: You are an imposter……dishonest people are contemptable.

  303. You are yourself posting from wikipedia . Go and see "caste system among south Asian Muslim". Are you aware about why Maulana Vastavi was removed from Deoband Sharif with false allegation against him, for praising Mr Modi ?. do you know what does term "Naik" stands for Dr Zakir Naik ? Are you aware of president of Pak before Gen Musharaf(who claims to be Sayyaid), what does the term "Tarar" stands for? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_Shttp://stateless.freehosting.net/Caste%20in%20Ind… Just by quoting text about no caste in Muslims at one place and fighting for the reservation for the Dalit(outcaste) Muslim on another front. Hypocracy of the first grade. Just by telling the outside world about the no caste or racial problem as per book of Islam from outside but internally upper caste sleeping forcefully with the lower caste. Pig being immoral and people eating them also, i came to know from Abdu Rasul(Slave of Prophet) and If Dr Zakir Naik also preaches that, then he also is preaching anti Islamic thing. So what about Kurds fighting Arabs in Iraq ? Shall i bring about the tribal differences in Libya ? Al Saud caste rule Saudi Arabia, what about eviction of Hashmite caste from Saudis in 1926 ?

  304. @Fool Lad
    _________Your posts are so pathetic and evil______
    There is no evil greater than associating partner with Allah, non-believing in Prophet and Allah, worshiping Idols as you Hindu doing all these evils.

  305. @Shabbir
    //pigs live immoral life so people eating pig will become immoral.//

    If this is true eating flesh of Saintly persons will make Muslims saintly & non violent?

  306. Posting rape statistics from European countries is bogus, because 99% of all rapes are committed by stinking, filthy, evil muslim immigrants against the native population.

  307. #pigs live immoral life so people eating pig will become immoral. THAT NOT ISLAMIC ,#While local native converts are called Arzal OPENION ………………..PLZ POST AUTHORIZED EVIDENCE[Q&H) FOR CRITICISM .
    castes of Muslims?

    The worship of the one and only God frees man from all
    sorts of pettiness and parochialism. The entire human race native
    or foreigners, upper caste or lower caste, white or black, those
    belonging to different castes or families, or those speaking different
    languages are created and sustained by the same God, Who is
    the only God and this thought does away with all sorts of
    untouchability. When the above categories of people bow before
    the Highest and Greatest Entity the forces which divide them are
    shattered into smithereens. When the idea gets round that every
    one is equal before God the false supremacy inherited by different
    sections of the society evaporates. The declaration of Islam
    that all men and women are the creation of the one and only God
    and they are children of the same parents, transformed the people
    of Arabia into a strong society at a time when they were fighting
    against one another for tribal supremacy and superiority, “O mankind!
    We created you from a single (pair) of male and female and
    made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other.
    Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most
    righteous of you and God has full knowledge and is well acquainted’’
    (Qur’an 49:13). This verse from the Qur’an shattered
    all vainglorious based on tribe, language and colour. Prophet said:
    “An Arab is not superior to a non-Arab nor a white man to black
    except in righteousness’’ (Muslim, Aboodawood). “Your God is
    one and your father is one. All are from Adam. Adam is from
    soil’’ (Muslim, Aboodawood).

  308. PLZ EITHER BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM U'R CLAIM OR PLZ SHUT UP U'R MOUTH …………..

    HERE THE BLOG FOR U UNDERSTANDING THE CHARACTER OF MUSLIM THAT PROMOTE BY QURAN & HADEETH
    http://muslimmoralcharacter.blogspot.in/

  309. CHILD PROSTITUTION:

    http://www.fondationscelles.org/index.php?option=
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

    Child sex tourism :

    Thailand : 40% of prostitutes are child in Thailand
    Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
    Cambodia: 1/3 of prostitutes are child
    India : 1.2 million child prostitutes
    Brazil: 1.2 million child prostitutes
    United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes.
    China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.
    Mexico:16,000 children in Mexico were involved in prostitution
    Sri Lanka, there are nearly 40,000 child prostitutes
    In the Philippines, there are 60,000 to 100,000 prostituted children
    In Nepal approximately 30% of them were found to be children.
    in Vietnam, and 20,000 of these are children.
    in Ukraine, research has shown that between 30 and 40 percent of prostitutes are between 11 and 18 years
    in Russia approximately 20 to 25 percent of Moscow's sex workers are minors.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_of_chilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

    POPULAR MALE PROSTITUTE CENTER :

    Male street prostitutes solicited clients in specific areas which became known for the trade. Well-known areas for street "hustlers" have included: parts of 53rd Street in New York; Santa Monica Boulevard in Los Angeles; Piccadilly Circus, in London; "The Wall" in Sydney's Darlinghurst; The Drug Store and Rue Saint Anne in Paris; Polk Street Gulch in San Francisco; Willow Avenue and Easton Avenue, County Route 527 in Franklin[disambiguation needed], New Jersey, Bars such as Cowboys and Cowgirls and Rounds in New York, Numbers in Los Angeles and certain go-go bars in Patpong Thailand were popular venues where male prostitutes offered their services. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/12/world/africa/12

    THAT THE COMMON/TRUSTFUL BEHAVIOR /OUT PUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE LAW FROM THEIR OWN WEAK BRAIN.
    # Any doctrine without morality is doomed.YES I PROVED WHO R DOOMED HERE & #Morality is not a religious construct. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE ? NON ISLAMIC COUNTRY WHO FOLLOWING WEAK HUMAN KNOWLEDGE IDEOLOGY & ATHEISM ,TODAY WE KNOW THEY R LEADING CRIMINALS & # It is not ordained by a god. It is a human invention.ALI SINNA PLZ PROVE WITH EVIDENCE U'R NON ISLAMIC /RELIGIOUS UTOPIA HERE …………WHERE IS IT? ANY IDEOLOGY WAS CREATED BY HUMAN IS BEING CAN BEING ETERNAL DIVINE ,PURE & SALVATION.COMMUNISM,NAZISM, FASCISM,HINDUISM.CHRISTIANITY ETC…………..EXCEPT ISLAM ALL OF THEM R CREATED BY HUMAN BEING ,NONE OF THEM GIVE US A COMPLETE LEVEL OF SALVATION ………………..ISLAM THE ONLY RELIGION GIVE THE SOLUTION OF HUMAN BEING ,BEC'S ITS ONLY FROM THE OUR CREATOR ALMIGHTY ALLHA ………………..

  310. #My allies are Christians, Hindus, and peoples of other faiths that know morality is the foundation of the society

    THAT CORRECT SENTENCE BEC'S A SINNER LIKE /SUITABLE FOR ANOTHER SINNER …………….

    Total crimes (most recent) by country

    RANK COUNTRIES AMOUNT

    #1 United States: 11,877,218
    # 2 United Kingdom: 6,523,706
    # 3 Germany: 6,507,394
    #4 France: 3,771,850
    #5 Russia: 2,952,370
    #6 Japan: 2,853,739
    #7 South Africa: 2,683,849
    #8 Canada: 2,516,918
    #9 Italy: 2,231,550
    #10 India: 1,764,630
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-cri

    NON ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ARE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF CRIME COMPARE TO ISLAMIC COUNTRIES THE FOLLWING LINK GIVES U MORE DETAILS REPORT:
    http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countriehttp://rechten.uvt.nl/icvs/images/Graph03.JPG http://rechten.uvt.nl/icvs/images/graph05.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by

    WORLD MOST LEADING RAPIST COUNTRY:

    Rank Countries Amount

    #1 Lesotho: 0.844 per 1,000 people
    #2 New Zealand: 0.315
    #3 Belgium: 0.299
    #4 Iceland: 0.286
    #5 Norway: 0.203
    #6 Israel: 0.166
    #7 Finland: 0.141
    #8 Chile: 0.12
    #9 Mongolia: 0.118
    #10 Ireland: 0.102
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-

    UN Rape Statistics:

    RANK COUNTRY AMOUNT

    1 United States of America 93883
    2 Australia 18237
    3 United Kingdom 13272
    4 France 10408
    5 Germany 8766
    6 Russian Federation 8185
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics http://www.yellodyno.com/pdf/Rape_Statistics.pdf

    Divorce rate (most recent) by country

    Rank Countries Amount

    #1 United States: 4.95 per 1,000 people
    #2 Puerto Rico: 4.47
    #3 Russia: 3.36
    #4 United Kingdom: 3.08
    #5 Denmark: 2.81
    #6 New Zealand: 2.63
    #7 Australia: 2.52
    # 8 Canada: 2.46
    #9 Finland: 1.85
    #10 Barbados: 1.21
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-peo

    List of countries by alcohol consumption:

    Moldova 18.22
    Czech Republic 16.45
    Hungary 16.27
    Russia 15.76
    Ukraine 15.60
    Estonia 15.57
    Andorra 15.4
    11.30 15.30
    Slovenia 15.19
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by

    LIKE THAT…………….
    Assault victims (most recent) by country http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_vic-cri
    Car thefts (most recent) by country http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the-cri
    Murders with firearms (most recent) by country http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir
    Suicide rates in ages 25-34 (most recent) by country http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_
    Gun violence : Homicides &homicides with firearms http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom
    Suicide rates in ages 15-24 (most recent) by country http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_

    'World's Largest' Online Pedophile Ring Smashed In Europe http://yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_child_

  311. #Sexual libertinage destroys the family, without which the society crumbles.

    #People in pornographic industry and sex trade are not my allies………………..
    Sex is a divine gift. Its foremost function amongst living creature
    is reproduction. It is also true that in the case of man, besides
    reproduction, his mental health, shappiness of family life , peacefull
    social life : all are linked to sexuality. In availing of a sexual behaviour
    that is not in keeping with the divine guidelines, the mental health of
    the individual, solidarity of the family and social structure will be
    adversely affected. Moreover, such extra-marital relations will lead
    to the affliction by sexually transmitted diseases which will eventually
    end in the degeneration of society. Indeed, those who have learned of
    this through experience have been the very people who claim for
    themselves the status of being the spokespersons of modern civilisation.
    Islam teaches that if two individuals are to have sexual relations
    with each other they are to do so only through the contract of marriage.
    Apart from that all other relations are bound to create problems and
    damage. It will also destroy the very fabric of all values in society. It
    will cast the seeds of suspicion within one’s marital life. Such suspicion
    will then create cracks within the rapport between hearts. It disrupts
    family relations – it will even gravely affect the mental health of future
    generations.
    Islam has never envisioned such a society. Islam has striven for
    the creation of a society wherein a peaceful family environment and
    marital relationship prevails.
    To that end, Islam considers that all sexual relations outside of
    wedlock are to be prohibited. For that reason the Qur'an recommends
    strict penal laws which serve to eliminate such sexual relations.
    Conceding the fact that the sexual impulse is, indeed, one of the most
    powerful of instincts, it is necessary, nevertheless, to check man, in
    the exercise of that impulse, with equally compelling measures. Indeed,
    herein lies the great relevance of the punishments in the Qur'an.
    The Qur'an
    teaches that all circumstances which can lead to extra-marital sexual
    affairs must first be removed. All laws and regulations for that purpose
    are provided by the Qur'an. They can be summarized as follows:
    One : Men and women are to dress decently. As sight constitutes
    the prime motivation of the sexual impulse in man, women are not to
    dress in such a fashion as to display their beauty.
    Two : There should be nothing in society which is of a sexually
    provocative nature. Indeed, in an Islamic society caberrets, dances,
    beauty contests, ballets and the like are never permitted.
    Three : The unrestricted mingling of the sexes, which ultimately
    leads to adultery, must be prevented.
    Four : The use of sex as a profession must be completely
    banned. For in an Islamic society, prostitutes, call-girls, sex-bombs,
    nude models and the like are an impossibility.
    Five: Men and women (excepting for the husband or any relative
    with whom marriage has been prohibited ) are not to travel together.
    Six :Men and women are not to converse freely except in the
    presence of another person.
    Seven: Unless they have become mates through the institution
    of marriage, men and women are not to gaze at each other with lewed
    passion.
    Eight : They are not to speak, or flirt, in a manner that evokes lust.
    Nine : If a man comes with the offer of marriage, the guardians
    of the woman must come forward to offer her in marriage to him if he
    is seen to be of a suitable person.
    Ten : In the case of the men who cannot find contentment in a
    single woman, there is also the provisions – albeit, a conditional one –
    to marry more than one woman.

  312. #Islam does not bring any morality.

    PILLARS OF ISLAM AND MORAL VALUES
    Purpose of Prophet hood — Perfection of Morals
    The holy Prophet has stated the foremost purpose of his being sent down in this world and the method of his call to the
    people in these words:
    “I have been sent only for the purpose of perfecting good morals.”
    ( AI-Muta)
    That great message which has left an indelible impression on the history of life, and for propagating which and for
    bringing people under whose influence Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h.) worked ceaselessly. Its purpose was nothing else
    but to strengthen the moral character of the people so that the world of beauty and perfection may be illuminated before
    their eyes and they may try to achieve it consciously and with knowledge.
    Worshipping has been made compulsory in Islam, and it has been included in the basic pillars of faith. But the Islamic
    forms of worship are not some sort of mystic exercises that link men with some unknown, mysterious being, and which
    subject men to perform useless acts and meaningless movements. All the Islamic compulsory forms of worship are
    designed as exercises and training to enable people to acquire correct morals and habits and to live righteously, and to
    adhere to these virtues till the end, whatever be the changes in their circumstances.
    To keep away from evil, wickedness and to purify from bad deeds are also realities of the prayer. In a Hadith Qudsi it is
    stated:
    “I accept the prayers of the person who adopts the policy of humility with it on account of My greatness, obliges
    My creatures, does not insist on sinning against Me, spends his day in remembering Me, and is kind to the poor,
    travellers, weak and the suffering people.”
    “0 Prophet I Take charity from their property so that it may clean them and purify them.”
    -(Tauba.. 103)
    “To smile in the company of your brother is charity. To command to do good deeds and to prevent others from
    doing evil is charity. To guide a person in a place where he can go astray is charity. To remove troublesome
    things like thorns and bones from the road is charity. To pour water from your jug into the jug of your brother
    is charity. To guide a person with defective vision is charity for you.”
    -(Bukhari)
    “Fasting is Dot the name of merely keeping away from eating and drinking, but it is keeping away from wicked
    and obscene things. If in the state of fasting, someone abuses you or picks up a quarrel with you, say: “I am
    fasting.”
    Quran states the purpose of the imposition of fasting in these words:
    “Fasting has been made compulsory for you, as it was made compulsory for those (followers of earlier prophets)
    who preceded you, so that you may become righteous.”
    (Baqarah.. 183)
    “Surely, he who appears before his Lord as a criminal, there is hell for him, in which he will neither die nor will he
    live. And he who will appear before Him as a faithful, who has performed good deeds-for all such people there are
    high positions, ever green paradise,beneath which canals will be flowing; they will live in them for ever. This is the
    reward for him who adopts purity.”
    (Taha.. 74-76)
    “By God, he cannot be a Momin ; by God, he cannot be a Momin; by God, he cannot be a Momin. He was asked:
    'who' 1 He answered: 'He from whose misdeeds his neighbour is not safe.' “
    -(Bukhari)

    MORE :
    CHARACTER OF A MUSLIM BASED ON QURAN & HADEETH: http://muslimmoralcharacter.blogspot.in/

  313. SINNER SAYS # It promotes prostitution in the name of muta or temporary marriage.
    Temporary Marriage (muta) is forbidden in Islam!

    In this short article we will see how and why Temporary Marriage was first allowed in Islam, but then later was forbidden by our Prophet peace be upon him:

    "Rabi' b. Sabra reported that his father went on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the Victory of Mecca, and we stayed there for fifteen days (i. e. for thirteen full days and a day and a night), and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage with women. So I and another person of my tribe went out, and I was more handsome than he, whereas he was almost ugly. Each one of us had a cloaks, My cloak was worn out, whereas the cloak of my cousin was quite new. As we reached the lower or the upper side of Mecca, we came across a young woman like a young smart long-necked she-camel. We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3253)"

    Narrated 'Ali: "I said to Ibn 'Abbas, 'During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a [Temporary Marriage in English] and the eating of donkey's meat.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 50)"

    Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa': "While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52)"

    Narrated Saburah ibn Ma'bad al-Juhani: "The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prohibited temporary marriage with women. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2068)"

    The reason why temporary marriage was allowed is to prevent illegal sex, prostitution and rape especially during the early times of Islam when Muslims didn't have residence stability and were facing all kinds of difficulties from the pagans. The Muslim men used to also travel for long months away from their families to meet the enemy in the battle field. Some of the towns they used to go to had Muslim women in them, and like I said, to prevent adultery and fornication with any woman (Muslim or non-Muslim), and to prevent rape, the Prophet peace be upon him allowed temporary marriage contracts between Muslim men and women.

    When the Muslim state became stable during our Prophet's time, he then forbade that act because Muslims then could get married and have stable lives with their families and raise Children in a stable and convenient community.

  314. @Fool Lad
    Prophet was most scientific person he taught us techniques of water saving and he adopted them in his life. If we follow above hadith water problem can be solved to many extent.

  315. Arab Porn 2

    Narrated 'Aisha:
    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298)

  316. That is exactly what it is.We can find them miles away.Stink of it disturbing.

  317. What was this person doing, trolling? What did he mean? I think it was a troll Muslim. Not worth responding to.

  318. Can you explain that how could an entity occupying a space on seventh sky be formless ? what about Kursiyu Hu Samavat Wa Al Ard ?

  319. There was an attempt to "expose" Dr Sina by Islamists, had Dr Sina, agreed to Imad's views. Then propaganda would have been carried out in Maghreb(North Africa), about the evil west.

    Abdu Rasul(who finds it right to use English name"Slave of Prophet") once said that pigs live immoral life so people eating pig will become immoral.

    In many ungulates, there is a tendency that the powerful stag or bull, keeps the large harem of female and do not let any weak one come near. Once a stronger competitor comes, it replaces the old one. So might is right there.

    As Goat, Sheep, Cow etc. Or say Fish or fowl is Halal. If these animals have this tendencies. By the logic of our brother Abdu Rasul, people eating Halal food will also start to do such acts perhaps.

    In South Asia, outsider upper castes/class Muslims are called Ashrafs(pure one). While local native converts are called Arzal(derived from Arzan meaning cheap in Farsi) . Likewise we have term called Pasmanda or weaker castes. In India,Some Muslim castes are given reservation in government jobs and educations, while more Muslim lower castes are demanding more reservation(this is called the policy of the positive discrimination of race).

    Lalbegi, Siddiqi, Saifi,Kureshi,Ansari, Halalkhor, Hawari are the few Pasmanda castes of Muslims. We have Doms, Mirasi, Kanjars, Pituriyas. There are castes indulging in prostitution. Then rich men can use his might and sleep with the wife or daughter of the poor. Pakistan has Rajah Sahebs. So what is the Guarantee that in Islamic rule of Salafis/Wahabis. The mighty will not exploit the female folk of poor ? Does sexual harassment totally eradicated in Saudi or due to the might of the rich rulers, the poor one do not dare to complaint? Why does human, do not act like goat after eating the goat ?

  320. Slave, the problem with your allah is that he deceives not only non muhammadans. He deceives his/its followers as well. Abu Bakr is quoted to have said that he would not feel safe from allah's cunning (deceit) even if he had one of his legs in paradise. Muhammad did promise, and one of you confirmed on this blog, that Abu Bakr would be the first among the muhammadans to enter paradise. With Abu Bakr not feeling safe from allah's cunning, are you sure that what allah has presented to his/its followers as paradise is not actually hell? TRULY ALLAH IS THE BEST DECEIVER.

  321. na tasya prathima means god is formless that doesn't mean worshipping idols is wrong.

  322. then muhammad and muzzie bastards should be stoned to death for performing halala.
    zakir naik does his daughters halala with a donkey .
    while muhammad;s ammi was halala to entire arab

  323. allah is all knowing but he didn't tell you muslim goats what is alif lam meem is

  324. @Slave of Prophet
    Oh ,my pussy cat I have seen our beautiful planet and l love it ,but unfortunately it is not Flat.Now tell me ,how can i believe your Allah ,who say's earth is flat .However ,i believe as well the the modern world do so , on the findings of Galileo Galali ,Newtons law of motion ,Darwin's theory of Evolution or Einsteins formula of E=mc2. They prove their belief by experiment , so far they are right in their respective claims,but your cult has not come up with concrete proof of your belief ,except apart from using often the term "BELIEVE ". The MODERN WORLD RESPECT EXPERIMENT and not belief ,so can you prove "Islam" , from the perspective of practicality , please evade the term "belief "while answering this post.So far the scientists of Islam (Mullah's,Imams,and Scholars(Zokhar Naik))have failed to prove their claims.It is my request to Mr .Sina honestly ,I am in need of your 50,000 dollars for my NGO ,will you part it with me .Because your dream of having close encounter with real Muslim scholar seems a distant dream (None of them do exist in reality )till the fag end of your life ,ha,ha,ha.

  325. /Non-believers are not deceiving to Allah but deceiving ownsleves/
    Ha,ha,ha,non believers have no inclination to waste their time deceiving, a non-entity called Allah,ha,ha,ha.
    /If they will deceive Allah, Allah also will deceive non-believers because Allah also best among deceivers/
    So you, my friend your Allah is deceiver as well a "Satanic Character".Enlighten me please,iIf Allah is omnipotent ,omniscient , how can he assume the role of characteristic,that too a negative,ha,ha,ha.

  326. @Fool Lad
    Are u really intelligent? No. You are fool and animals in the disguise of human being. You people are not able to grasp simple and clear massage of Allah and always engaged in finding faults in divine book given by Allah. Shame on you.

  327. @fool Lad
    Prophet raided of pagans and Hindu also pagans. Allah is formless and worshiping Idols and associating partner with Allah is greatest sin. Hindu are Idol worshiper and Idol worship is a sin in Islam

  328. Are you really Muslim or a Hindu possing as Muslim to Humiliate Islam. Your posts are so pathetic and evil , It is impossile to elive you are Muslim.

  329. @Saket stooge of Ali Sina
    Non-believer think they can deceive Allah easily but they are not aware Allah is all-knowing. Non-believers are not deceiving to Allah but deceiving ownsleves.
    If they will deceive Allah, Allah also will deceive non-believers because Allah also best among deceivers. If non-believers beg pardon from Allah, Allah is all merciful and he will forgive all sins of non-believers.

  330. Your Allah can be deceived easily (ex, MAD MOHAMMED had shown that) ,but behold you are not in Allah's court,but in the court of Dr.Ali Sina ,a superior human being ever to take birth on this planet .He is well aware of you Zombies ,try your Taqiya else where not here ha,ha,ha.

  331. It's to find the evidence and convict them. And it's not what I mentioned. I said about raiding a caravan, a whole tribe, a whole kingdom, stealing money, raping peoples. That's what Muhammad and his companions did, and can you can denounce it?

  332. @Avika
    Raiding on the worst people is not sin. Is it guilt when Income Tax department raids on millionaire for stealing tax money ? No, because they were doing wrong and Income tax Department have rights to search such people and raid at their homes, factory etc. Prophet raids were like this. Hope you understood.

  333. Where is it in Quran?

  334. Why prostitution is guilty enough to stoning while raiding, raping, raiding infidels are permitted?

  335. Here is proof of stoning –

    From the Hadith:

    Muslim (17:4209) – A woman confesses adultery and is stoned to death on Prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) order

    Bukhari (6:60:79) – Two people guilty of "illegal intercourse" are brought to Muhammad, who commands that they both be stoned. Apparently their act was out of love, however, since the verse records the man as trying to shield the woman from the stones.

    Muslim (17:4196) – A married man confesses that he has adultery. Muhammad orders him planted in the ground and pelted with stones. According to the passage, the first several stones caused such pain that he tried to escape and was dragged back.

  336. Slave, no book institutionalizes prostitution more than the quran. Sura v:87 and Hadith Muslim 008:3243 authorize what has come to be known as 'mutah' which is sex for cash or kind. Dr Mahran Doltchahi of Teheran university said of the arrangement :"THE ENJOYMENT OF MARRIAGE IS NOTHING BUT A LEGAL COVER FOR PROSTITUTION. HOW CAN ANYONE IN THE WORLD CLAIM THAT A MARRIAGE FOR 10 MINUTES IS A LEGAL ACT?" The sunni website, 'SUNNI NEWS', states that the Saudis, the custodians of muhammadanism, use this practice to circumvent the provision limiting a muhammadan's harem to 4 legal wives. Under the cover of mutah, they import underage girls into the kingdom by giving them extended visas for the lesser pilgrimage, ummrah. Prostitution is allah's blessing given to his/its male followers.

  337. Stoning is mentioned in the Old Testament. It is never found in the Koran.

  338. In Islam having severe punishment for prostitute. She deserved to be stoning till to death. A prostitute never treated as Muslim woman. So you idea of defaming Islam nonsense.

  339. There is something wrong with this letter of the alleged "Imad". The spelling is accurate, so is the use of the upper case in some words. Most of it is grammatically correct, but one can notice some mistakes here and there as if they are planted on purpose, in another word, there is a lot of discrepancy in it.

  340. Yes, I think so. He is a pervert, a fake ex-muslim.

  341. Ali , I think I can't be your ally because I'm a very violent person. :lol: =))

  342. Dear Imad, my dear Dr Ali Sina is right. Do heed his advice and overcome evil with good and not with evil. God bless. :)

  343. I agree too, this man is Islamist. He obviously hates Jews and Westerners

  344. Vijay, I think so too. When he says that he and his friends want to make married women 'sluts' for Jews and Westerners, then his direction of thought becomes obvious. In accordance with the quran, he wants to heighten the muslim anger against the Jews and Christians and make them targets of murderous attacks which characterize muhammadanism . This is an exhibition of taqiyya. If Imrad is sincere about his conversion, let him spread the good news to millions whose ears are itching for it.There are better ways of doing that.
    I strongly suggest to Dr Sina to mind how he exposes himself to those who claim to be enemies of islam. Some of them are bogus and as their hornets nest has been stirred they will be out for vengeance on a large scale. An Afghan anti-Taliban leader was killed by an immigrant Dutch jihadist posing as a video cameraman. You have only just started the liberation struggle and there is still far too much to be done. Letting harm come your way is not an option.

  345. Arab Porn……………..

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16.

  346. May be Imad could be a covert Islamist.

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