Peeling Back The Layers Of Taqiyah

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Who has not heard of taqiyah? But did you know that it is onion shaped? Taqiyah sounds and means the same as the Sanskrit word thugee from the root sthag. They may be related.  The idea behind the taqiyah is to deceive the victim and when he is least prepared overpower him and subdue him.  This was also the philosophy of the Indian thugs.

Taqiyah has many layers.  The most common form is when Muslims deny that certain Islamic behaviors have anything to do with Islam.

On October 27, the BBC aired a documentary in which Mo Ansar, a Muslim activist in UK, was shown addressing a group of English Defense League members. He wanted to meet them in order to dispel their misunderstandings of Islam and to prove that Islam poses no threat to their country and their way of life.  How could he do that when Islam’s goal is to become dominant over all religions and nations? Well, he did it like any Muslim would do. He lied.  (Mo’s speech to EDL is at minute 10).

 

 mo ansar

Mo starts by saying “as somebody who was born in this country and is British, I think I uphold British values. I am also a Muslim.  Islam is not here to take over the country. Islam is not here to take over the world. That is not the Islam that I know. Islam that I know is one that believes in co-existence and honors and respects British values.”

Nothing can be further from the truth. The British and Islamic values are diametrically opposed. They cannot co-exist. The British values are based on democracy. Democracy implies equality.  Iranian Journalist Amir Taheri says, “Equality is unacceptable in Islam. Un-believers cannot be equal to believers and women are not equal to men. Even the non-Muslims are not deemed to be equal. The People of the Book (Jews and Christians) are accepted as second class citizens and allowed to live in an Islamic state provided they pay the protection tax; Jizyah. But the pagans, atheists and idolaters are not regarded as fully humans. According to the Quran, the idolaters are to be killed wherever they are found.” (9:5)

In the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follow.
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man,
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman,
50,000 riyals if a Christian man,
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman,
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man,
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman.

According to this hierarchy, a Muslim man’s life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman. This hierarchy is based on the Islamic definition of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and the Sharia. How can we talk of democracy when the concept of equality in Islam is inexistent?

This is not a quirk of Saudi Arabia. The prophet of Islam advised Muslims not to aid non-Muslims to seek justice if they are abused by a Muslim. In his much celebrated edict of Medina, he declared, “A believer shall not slay a believer for the sake of an unbeliever, nor shall he aid an unbeliever against a believer.”  The same document states, “Whoever is convicted of killing a believer… the believers shall be against him as one man, and they are bound to take action against him.”

The Quran 3:28 prohibits Muslims to take non-Muslims as their leaders, or even as friends. If Muslims tell the truth about their hostile intention, they will be kicked out from the countries that they intend to overtake. The same verse allows them to lie, “by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them.

Co-existence? Yes there is co-existence in Islam, but only if the non-Muslims are reduced into dhimmis, and accept to pay tributes to Muslims while feeling themselves humiliated and subdued. (Q. 9:29)

One characteristic of democracy is freedom of belief. This is utterly alien to Islam. The Quran 3: 85 says, “whoso desires another religion than Islam it shall not be accepted of him.”  The punishment of apostasy in Islam is death. No Islamic country allows its Muslim citizens to change their religion.

Mo also assured his audience that Islam is not here to take over the world. He lied. People often make the mistake of comparing Islam to Christianity and other faiths. All religions are personal. They are about enlightenment or relationship with God.  Islam is about world domination. The focus of Islam is on expansion. A hadith narrated by Bukhari (4: 53: 386) makes this clear. It says that when Umar sent Muslim army to Persia, “the representative of Khosrau came out with 40,000 warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, “Let one of you talk to me!” Al-Mughira replied, “Ask whatever you wish.” The other asked, “Who are you?” Al-Mughira replied, “We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life. We used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:– “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.”

The order to fight till the non-Muslims worship Allah has not changed. Muslims will not abandon their quest for domination until they succeed or they are defeated. They have no choice in this.  They are programmed to spread Islam through deception or war.  They can’t be a Muslim and not advance their religion. The obligation to spread Islam is on every Muslim.  We have the choice. We can submit to them, or fight back and defeat them.  But how can we do that if we are not even aware that we are under attack? Taqiyah is what Muslims do to keep us in the sedated state.

Muhammad said al Islamo deenun va dawlah, (Islam is religion and state).  The goal of Islam is to take over the world and establish a world caliphate.  Without this goal Islam becomes meaningless.  The whole idea of jihad, which is an obligation on every Muslim, is to expand the Islamic domain.  It is also said that the bigger jihad is the struggle against one’s self. This is a lie too. Many scholars of Islam have refuted this as an innovation, something that was never said by Muhammad.

Jihad is through war, through financing the war (zakat) and through deception. The disagreement between Muslims is not in whether the west should become Islamic or not, but in whether it should be annexed through qital (fighting) or through taqiyah (deceiving).

The Quran 9:33 says, Allah will cause Islam to prevail over all religions. One does not have to read the history of Islamic conquest and oppression of their vanquished nations throughout the last 1400 years to know Muslims have no regards for the human rights of the non-Muslims. A look at how the minorities are treated in Muslim majority countries in the 21st century can make that point clear.

When Muslims become the majority, they deny the minorities any participation in political life. No non-Muslim is allowed to run for the head of any Islamic country and where they are allowed to become a member of parliament, it is only as a representative of their people. They are like ambassadors of their co-religionists in the Islamic state. They have no role in how the country should be run, but only as a liaison between the state and their co-religionists who are regarded as second class citizens.

Some of the EDL members expressed their concerns about their daughters who had to married to Muslims and brainwash to cut their ties with their family.  Mo Ansar responded with more lies. He said, “If there are girls who have converted to Islam and are told you cannot meet your family; if that happens, I’d say now clearly, that it is not allowed in Islam.”

Mo should know that Muhammad ordered his daughter Zeinab to leave her unbelieving husband Abul As, until he was forced to convert and remarry her. He told his followers to cut their ties with their families and to emigrate from Mecca. He even said “if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever you find them.”(4:89).

Everything Mo said in that meeting was a lie.  Of course he is not an ignorant Muslim.  He just considered that in that gathering lying was more beneficial that telling the truth and that too is acceptable in Islam.

Muslims are permitted to lie even under oath to promote Islam and when the necessity justifies it. All they have to do for expiation of lying under oath is to feed someone or fast for three days (Q. 5:89). The Quran also says, “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.” (Q. 2:225). So if the intent is to advance Islam all lies are permissible.

Imam Ghazzali (1058-1111), arguably the greatest Islamic scholar noted, “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If praise worthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible.”

Mo’s deception had no bounds. He even went as far as saying “I have been fighting for gay rights for 15 years. Many people are surprised by that.”  If it were true, it would be very surprising.  But it is not true.  In at least five places the Quran condemns homosexuality in the severest term and in 4:16, it says, punish them both, unless they repent and amend.

Mo’s audience however, was not fooled. One person noted, “He is just pandering to the audience, saying things he thinks the audience likes to hear. He thinks we are all dimwits.”

Was Mo Ansar really sincere? In the same documentary, (minutes 25) when Tommy Robinson said, there are certain verses in the Quran that glorify murder, rape and slavery and suggested that these verses should be phased out, Mo blamed the lack of understanding of the Quran and not the Quran itself. How can “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, let them find harshness in you,” or beat your wife if you fear she is thinking of disobeying you” can be interpreted in any other way?   The Quran is a book of hate and violence.  Mo knows it, but he hides the truth.

Mo’s insincerity was put to the litmus test by a fellow Muslim, Maajid Nawaaz, who asked him whether he agreed with the Quranic law of chopping the limbs of a thief and other barbaric laws such as stoning. Mo first tried to play taqiyah and said he wouldn’t, but when pressed, he began stuttering and tried to evade the answer by saying he would seek the consensus of the ulama.  It became clear that he was lying all along.  He would not go against any of the teachings of the Quran, even when they are all barbaric and inhumane.

Maajid Nawaz

What about Maajid Nawaaz? He had no problem saying some of the teachings of the Quran are morally reprehensible. This is quite a statement for a Muslim. Is he sincere? Maajid is the chairman of Quilliam Foundation, a self-styled organization that claims to counter Islamic extremism.

He was a recruiter of Hizbul Tahrir, a terrorist organization, and an advocate for Islamic caliphate for 13 years. He says that he was reformed while serving a five years jail sentence in Egypt for his political activities. Now he claims that he rejects extremism and is a moderate Muslim.

Taqiyah is like an onion. One layer hides another layer, which hides yet another layer and so on and so forth.  There is nothing surprising for a Muslim to realize Islam is not compatible with our time and leave it.  I made the transition myself and have helped thousands to do it.  However, those who come to see the truth, leave Islam. They don’t go around promoting a moderate version of Islam. There is no such thing. You either accept the inhuman and backward teachings of Islam or you don’t accept Islam at all.

Maajid claims to be a Muslim who rejects the Sharia. He is not alone. There are a few more in Canada and USA who make such claim. Among them are, Tarik Fatah, Irshad Manji, Zuhdi Jaser, just to name a few.  Can these people be trusted? Can a Muslim reject any part of the Quran?

We have to understand that there is a big difference between Islam and Christianity or Judaism. Muslims believe that the Quran is the verbatim word of God. Jews and Christians believe their sacred texts were written by humans who were inspired by God.  This is a crucial distinction. So while a Jew or a Christian can reject an outdated part of his scripture as the error of its authors, a Muslim does not have that luxury.  Muslims can’t pick and choose. Allah in the Quran asserts, “Today have I perfected your religious law for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your religion.” (Q.5:3).  How can one add or subtract to what God has perfected? That idea is preposterous to Muslims.

Another verse says, “Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection? They will be consigned to most grievous suffering. For God is not unmindful of what you do.” (Q.2:85)

It is unlikely that Maajid and his fellow so called moderate Muslims don’t know this. So how can they call themselves Muslim and reject the clear laws of the Quran? They are playing another layer of taqiyah. Their goal is not to reform Islam, something they know is impossible, but to buy legitimacy and more time for it until they become the majority and take over the world. I sounded the clarion about the danger of Islam 16 years ago, and now I warn you again that these so called moderates are wolves in sheep clothing. Don’t fear the terrorists. Fear the enemy within.

Muslims are allowed to reject part or all of Islam and even malign their prophet in order to deceive their victims. Bukhari 5:59: 369 narrates that in Medina there was a young handsome man, a leader of the Jewish tribe of Bani Nadir, by the name of Ka’b ibn Ashraf. After Muhammad banished their sister tribe of Bani Qainuqa from the city, Ka’b went to Mecca seeking protection from the Quraish. When Muhammad heard the news he went on his pulpit and said, “who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?”  Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands alms from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.”

The story goes on to say how ibn Maslama deceived Ka’b by badmouthing his prophet and when Ka’b trusted him, he and other Muslims, among them Ka’b’s own foster brother who had converted to Islam stabbed him to death.  By denouncing the Quran, Maajid is not doing anything unIslamic. He is taking his deception to a higher level.

The deception has paid off handsomely. Instead of serving time in jail Maajid now shakes hands with George W. Bush and Tony Blair, appears in Bill Maher show and sits next to Richard Dawkins,  is a chairman of a foundation, and has run for MP in UK.  He is far more effective in destroying the western civilization from within, through taqiyah, than by placing bombs in buildings and buses.

Could I be mistaken? Have I come to a hasty conclusion? I invite Maajid Nawaaz to show my error and prove to the world that he is not deceiving them. Maybe I too will join his Quilliam organization and support his efforts. If he is sincere, he will accept this invitation. But based on my experience with “moderate Muslims,” I have a feeling that Maajid’s reply will be a deafening silence.

There is no such thing as moderate Islam. This is the ultimate taqiyah. This trap is deadly. It may cost your liberty and your life. Moderate Islam is an oxymoron. It is as attainable as perfumed dung; although I may be wrong about the latter.

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  1. ashley1888 says:

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  2. Modest Muslim says:

    Oh, shut up, Ali Sina. That's quite moronic. I don't know which Islam you left. I'm a Shia Muslim too but I didn't find anything in Islam like you say. Actually, you are a confused person. You studied the Islam represented by the terrorists and you considered it to be the real Islam. Come on, man. Don't you know we Shiites are already against terrorism, conquest of countries in the name of jihad, hating non-Muslims, fake hadiths etc. 

    Taqiyyah's not what you described. That's very dumb and foolish, dude. Taqiyyah means to hide to save i.e. hide your faith to save your life. It doesn't mean to deceive a non-Muslim or lie to strengthen Islam. Lying is forbidden in Islam. You can't lie and fabricate hadiths in order to strengthen Islam. 

    • Demsci says:

      Interesting post to respond to by us posters, if you Modest Muslim, want to engage in a discussion about this article, but with such a post as yours there is little chance of that.

      From the article: //"The British and Islamic values are diametrically opposed. They cannot co-exist. The British values are based on democracy. Democracy implies equality. &nbsp;Iranian Journalist Amir Taheri says, “Equality is unacceptable in Islam. Un-believers cannot be equal to believers and women are not equal to men. Even the non-Muslims are not deemed to be equal."//

      An IRANIAN is quoted in the article you are supposed to respond to. And Iran is a majority SHIITE country. Taheri must be apostate but he came from a shiite country and he speaks about "Islam".

      It is you who claims that "Shiites are already against …." But you did not answer the challenge of the article that Islam is undemocratic because of UNEQUAL treatment before the law of different categories of humans, like men and women, and believers and unbelievers.

      You come here, saying that Ali Sina writes "quite moronic", but you do not even address this vital point he makes by quoting Amir Taheri. And both Ali Sina and Taheri come from IRAN, the leading Shiite country.

      Sina and Taheri know tons of knowledge and experience about Islam, and especially Shiite Islam.

      But you, you answer "quite moronic", arrogantly assuming the writer is confused and studied the Islam represented by the terrorists!

      and it is really risible in this context that you dare ask "don't you know we shiites are already against terrorism, conquest for jihad, hating non-Muslims"

      Shiite Islam is primarily represented by the IRANIAN leadership, under Khamenei, and that country sure as hell seems to be engaged in quite a lot of terrorism, and it does seem to have the big desire to conquer the world for Islam and oppose the infidels who stand in the way of that,

      which is why they hate America (you see; Iran officially hates non-Muslims!) so much that every friday Iranian congregations gathered at the mosque chant "Death to America!". And this is officially initiated by the ayatollah leadership of Iran.

      Eiter you are an incredibly ignorant but arrogant person or you assumed, quite precipitously, that Ali Sina and the posters here, were very ignorant about "shiite" Islam.

    • greygandalf says:

      Here we have a typical muslim response – rude, arrogant and aggressive. Not to mention ill-mannered and ignorant. Still we are used to that from muslims, it is the way that brain-dead zombies act, and react.

  3. Supriya says:

    Namaste Dr. Ali Sina
    I don't think that the word 'taqiyah' is derived from Sanskrit word 'Sthag'. Sanskrit is the language of Indian spiritualiy (Sanatan Dharma ). Please don't compare Arabian word with holy Sanskrit word.
    India was also victim of barbaric, inhuman Islamic invaders in middle age of 7th and 8th century. Muslims murdered Indian men, children. They raped Indian women brutally. They looted many cities of that time. If Sharia says that limbs of thief should be cut down, then why those looter's limbs were not cut down. These Arabian looters have important position in Pakistan's text book. Do Pakistani not know that these desert barbarians had raped and murdered their ancestors ? Pakistani children are taught to hate Hindus and Buddhist. Hindus and Buddhist are called as uncleaned in Pakistan. They don't dream to grab Kashmir from India but their aim is Islamisation of whole India.
    Shahrukh Khan ( Baadshah for very few cinema viewers) says that he is firm believer in Allah. Do he not know that music and dancing are banned in Islam ? In an interview of a renowned international Magazine, he state that Indian Muslims feel insecure since 9/11( Mumbai attack in 2008 waged by Pakistani ISI and Hafiz Said) . The fact is that Muslims are safe in only India. So called King Khan did not pay attention to the death of more that more than 165 innocents including Western tourists. On 9/11/2009 when the whole India as paying tribute to Mumbai police who lost their lives in attack, Shahrukh Khan was busy in entertaining Pakistani people. India is paying a lot since 1947 , the division of India. Indian Muslimsare not loyal to their Motherland. They are typical Muslims.
    Sir You are absolutely right . Muslims never be moderate

  4. Sol Landet says:

    One day taqyya may arm muslims too. Lies is always harmful for everybody, I doubt muslims are immune to this.

  5. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_deta… See and found the contradiction of Quran this will made all guy to Understand, who have brain and thinking power that this book is not from Allah but the mouth of Muhammad and his gang.

  6. FoT says:

    Best Islamic miracle so far: This man can actually fly when he calls for allah's help!

    (irony intended)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKX24z1fVo

    • Alex says:

      Many people can do many miracles without Allah's help e.g. levitation, Indian rope trick n many others esp. miracles performed by Chris Angel that can really freak your mind out.

    • Sakat says:

      @Fot
      I am sorry this is not flying but vomiting ,in India plenty of half attained sadu's can do really amazing levitation in the atmosphere ,you may baffled with,but don't think Allah ,God ,Iswar helps them ,it is yoga and Pranayama.This Turkish guy unaware of this truth ,but his distant forefather Allwuddin Khilji the sultan of Delhi used to call these semi-yogis to perform levitation to the roof of his palace.Any body who has mastered over the law of gravitation can do this with yogic practice .There are plenty of scripture in Hinduism ,which are dealing with this aspect ,but one should not consider any special thing in it or is Allah's power. Muslims have lost their thinking ability some 1400 years back ,but rest of us have not ,so don't give importance to these crap thinking and demo.

    • FoT says:

      I know. It was a joke :)

  7. FoT says:

    Best Islamic miracle so far: This man can actually fly when he calls for allah's help!

    (irony intended)

    &nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKX24z1fVo

  8. Mysterious Woman says:

    Please show this video I found on Youtube…shocking!&nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw&nbsp;

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  11. Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

    @ All True Muslims,

    Kindly tell me the exact meaning of Quran.

    • Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

      It is 4 days passed and not a True Muslim reply about the meaning of Quran.

      It means they have lost their Iman.  Thanks Sina Sir for your effort that they have lost their belief.

    • ihateislam says:

      Nizam,
      The quran simply means the concoctions of Muhammad ibn Amina as recited to his untrustworthy scribes.

  12. Peaceful says:

    Ali Sina is secretly helped aided funded by Zionist Jews Christians and Islamophobes. This website is big conspiracy. All the evidence investigation is out on the internet also being blocked hidden and surpressed by Ali Sina. 

    • ihateislam says:

      If he is secretly funded by those you have mentioned, are you clairvoyant to know who his sponsors are? How about stopping for once to ridicule in public your poorly developed brain? You think that everybody is acting like Muhammad who did everything for material benefit masqueraded as religion.

  13. Isle says:

    As long as religion and politics are not separated, there will be continuing turbulence, wars and killings everywhere all in the name of Islam. There will be no rule of law to be able to control or to overcome this menace. These imposters thought they're doing a favor to right it for Islam. But they're deadly wrong. Their hands are full of innocent blood and it's increasing by the day and dawn with no way of stopping them of the slaughter unless giving up one's own right and yield to their demands of either converting or submitting. This is the only arbitrary religion that calls for force and killings for unbelievers. Can you imagine this? There is not an aspect of freedom in all spheres of life for all humans under this evil banner. Every part of living have been control. Look at its characteristics…It's only evil and hatred that we see. Yet they were so proud and arrogant in carrying out the abominations of what they term as "holy warriors", most courages. But what they do not know or realized is that they were murderers and slaves of Satan who have commanded them and given them the courage to commit this atrocities by the great numbers. It is indeed too horrible and I wonder when they would come back to their human senses and be able to live with others as normal human fellow. They are blinded and self righteous, bigotry in every sense of the word, and divisive. All this have taken a toll on us as we watch through the lens of ours eyes as spectators would watch a game in a ring. They are wild in the eyes of the world and too bad that no kind from among them stood up to speak of these condemnation. Where is justice? Where there's no condemnation, there is no justice. .

  14. The time has come says:

    The time has come that in the last days of freedom of information freedom of speech and the internet. Islam the religion of the the mad false prophet Mohammed shall be destroyed, collapse and come to an end.

    • Demsci says:

      Well, I prefer it to say that the time has come for Muslims and their off-spring to REPLACE Islam in them with SOMETHING BETTER. For their hopefully long lives to take as explanation of life and guidelines for live in a moral way that makes them and mankind happier than Islam does.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol islam is the best. theres nothing better than the best ;)

    • Demsci says:

      Who is to judge? Who is to vote? Of course adherents of a religion/ lifestyle are going to say that theirs is the best. But there might be independent judges and juries using sensible criteria, like a religion/ lifestyle having proof of being the truth (a higher truth than alternative theories of it's origine),

      and the criterium which religion/ lifestyle makes societies most free, wealthy and happy.

      And parts of Islam can be trumped by better societal and personal strategies, we think.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Maliki yaumid diin, master of the day of judgement :)

    • ihateislam says:

      "-ISLAM IS THE BEST–".
      In committing violence.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      In your feeling :)

    • ihateislam says:

      According to all available evidence which have nothing to do with my feeling.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Evidence in feeling isnt evidence ;)

    • ihateislam says:

      Evidence, not my feeling. Just one solid evidence: in the month of October ,2013, muhammadans killed 979 people in Iraq alone and over 6,000 since the beginning of the year. That is no body's feeling but hardcore fact.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Muhammadans in your feeling :)

  15. MohaMAD MADMAN says:

    The best example of taqiyah was Mohammed's crazy and desperate little trick where he deceived his own Muslim followers to pray towards Jerusalem (in order to please and gain acceptance as a prophet from the Jews and Christians, he was so desperate to be accepted as a prophet)
    But the Christians and Jews were clever they never fell for his cunning little trick and rejected that crazy madman false prophet and never accepted him as a prophet so he turned violent vengeful and hateful towards them and "received" another revelation from "Allah" ordering all Muslims to forget Jerusalem and point their noses towards Mecca when praying.

  16. Peaceful says:

    how come all are bad people are to insult Islam like this all this is because of your bad blood and bad evil teachings only that you learn when are children. Islam is always a religion of peace and allows peaceful coexistance.  All the inventions in medical science and other science like mathematics algebra navigations ships and computers internet are come from Islam and all modern inventions printing and machines and history and literateure and philosophy poetry music and archeitecture were all invent and started by Islamic world.  What is the other Israeli and western world uncivilized barbarian monkeys do only is make dangerous weapons and wars and terrorism for mass killing of people and media propaganda for posioning the mind of people.

    • Demsci says:

      Peaceful, you seem to know nothing of history and totally brainwashed. Or worse; a lying propagator of Islam in the hope other people know nothing of history. Here is Saudi Arabian Ibrahim Buleihi who explains how Arab Muslims especially should really LEARN FROM AND EMULATE from the West instead of arrogantly assuming they are the best and the West should learn from them!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zxuMKP_kqg

      Did you REALLY think the automobile, airplane, computer, internet, electricity and all those modern techniques were invented by ANYONE OTHER THAN WESTERNERS???

      Or if you lied, did you really think ANYONE, even Muslims, would BELIEVE you??? 

    • Godwin says:

      He is frog living in the Muslim well n got all his knowledge from the MADrassa. He lives in a vengeance n in igorance of the world affairs. Pity him.

    • Isle says:

      Peaceful, your words are not worth a penny. You people can lay claims on just anything we're not surprised. We know very well that most Muslim countries were a backward lot. How much have you people advance since the 7th century? How much? You can claim unjustified claims. What proof can show? You can only deceived the ignorant and the illiterates and those whom you people have bought over with your dirty money. What an insinuation! Please be more credible to your words. Do have a sense of shame before making your claims.

    • Ali Sina says:

      This is the acme of delusional thinking. Sadly all Muslims think like you. A dose of reality may help. Look at Islamic countries. Tell me how many Muslim have won the Nobel prize and compare that to the number of the Jews who have won the Nobel prize.

    • Agracean says:

      Have you heard of the Jihad prize? Monkeys and Pigs prize? They belong to the world of braindead zombies.

  17. Phoenix says:

    Muslims love to lie.Doesn't get can clearer than this
    [youtube FKs7oi_-NUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKs7oi_-NUo youtube]

    • lonelyloner says:

      Awesome awesome short video. Very funny! Thank you for this.
      Yeah, that's one example how you persuade people to become muslim.
      That explains too why most muslim converts are idiots.

  18. shimlavision says:

    Just read an article Jewish Hasbara and wanted to share it here
    Hasbara means "explanation", and is also a euphemism for propaganda.Jewish students are trained to edit Wikipedia, and Wikipedia plays ball .
    Punch into Google search-
    WIKIPEDIA , BIG BROTHER'S PROPAGANDA MACHINE VADAKAYIL Hasbara Trolls are trained to be polite at first. .They target, write, engage, educate and when they fail insult. They will insinuate that you are mad and have forgotten to take your daily anti-madness pills .

    They will engage in stages as per their covert blue book.

    First stage – Guilt by association, that your source is an established anti-semite.

    Second stage – They will give you a golden opportunity to redeem yourself. Such a fortuitous offer to recant from your naive ways and repent.

    Third stage : They will go on a vicious smear campaign and insult you.

    Last stage : Total character assassination.

    They are trained to flag your website which has some deadly virus, so that nobody dares to click and open it.

  19. Today is ashura! Ashura is a day of great historical significance. On this day: Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) accepted the repentance of Sayyidina Adam ('Alaihis-Salaam) after his exile from Paradise; Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) saved Sayyidina Nuh ('Alaihis-Salaam) and his companions in the ark; Allah extinguished the fire in which Sayyidina Ibrahim ('Alaihis-Salaam) was thrown by Nimrod; And Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) spoke directly to Sayyidina Musa ('Alaihis-Salaam) and gave him the Commandments. On this same 10th of Muharram, Sayyidina Ayyub ('Alaihis-Salaam) was restored to health (from leprosy); Sayyidina Yusuf ('Alaihis-Salaam) was reunited with his father Ya’qub ('Alaihis-Salaam); Sayyidina Yunus ('Alaihis-Salaam) was taken out from the belly of the fish; and the sea was divided as the nation of israel was delivered from captivity and Pharoah’s army was destroyed. ‘Ashura is also the day when Sayyidina Dawud ('Alaihis-Salaam) was forgiven; the kingdom of Sulaiman ('Alaihis-Salaam) was restored; Sayyidina Isa ('Alaihis-Salaam) was raised to Jannah and Sayyidina al-Husayn (Radiyallahu 'anh) (the Holy Prophet’s, Sallallahu ‘alayhi wa Sallam, grandson) achieved the honor of Martyrdom.

    • Demsci says:

      Nice Narcole!

      I think you show here the Jewish Origines of Islam. If we make the exception for the religion of the Aton of Echnaton in Egypt, roughly around 1300 BC, the Jews were the first monotheistic people.

      They used the alfabet to write their holy scripture, which before the alfabet existed could not be done. After they were defeated by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, and exiled, in part, to Babylon, they started to write theTorah.

      In the 5th century there were still only # 150.000 of them (according to Norman Cantor), by then many back in Israel. They almost certainly proselytized, and expanded in numbers that way, because it is estimated that in the time of Jesus, in the Roman empire, there were # 6 million of them, 2/3 outside of Israel (perhaps many defeated Carthaginians joined Judaism?).

      In the 2nd century BC the Maccabees or Hasmoneans made the kingdom of Israel independent for 1 century, until Pompejus of the Romans conquered it, and many infidels were forcibly converted in that century. In the Hasmonean time Judaism was still further developed, for instance with the concept of an afterlife for all individuals (heaven or hell).

      In Roman times there was the off-shoot of Christianity and in the 7th century Islam came into being, also in big part dependent on Judaism.

      How short is the time that monotheism exists! Dependent as it was on the Jewish people, who "started" it (IMO) and on the invention of the alfabet and also on wars and the Roman Empire (according to Andrew Marr's history of the world).

      Imagine; Mankind may exist # 200.000 years, # 10.000 years ago agriculture began, before that people lived in groups of max. 150 persons. # 3500 bc the first cities came, before that people lived in small groups, villages only. # 2400 there was the first empire/ state (of Sargon of Akkad, with the exception of already united Egypt).

      But only from the 6th century bc until now there was monotheism, dependent on holy scripture. And I suppose it served good purposes.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      We follow Abrahams hanif straight religion. abraham wasnt jewish ;)

    • Demsci says:

      "abraham wasnt jewish"

      There simply is NO INDEPENDENT confirmation that  Abraham even existed from any other sources than the Jewish ones. No other sources mention Abraham.

      Jews, being of the Judaic religion, wrote the bible-books, with Abrahams story in it, from the 6th to perhaps the 2nd century BC.  Besides many of Islam's prophets were Israelites; like Daoud, Solomon, Yunus, Isa.

      Oh, yes, Islam has massive Jewish origines. It would not exist were it not for the Israelites and their preservation and success of their religion.  And it would not exist without the alfabet, without which (holy) books cannot be written. And in Abrahams time the alfabet was not yet invented.

      Abrahams time is estimated to have been from around 2100 to 1700 BC. In the bible there is the story of the 4 kings fighting against the 5 kings and Abraham rescuing Lot from the 4. And one of the 4 kings was AMRAFEL, king of Sinear (North Iraq). Some historians speculate that Amrafel was the famous Hammurabi, considered to have ruled from 1792 to 1750 BC. If that is true, then we know Abraham lived in that time.

    • cchuckc says:

      @Demsci,
      I on the other hand do think that one person or an identity of multitude of persons may have been called Abram in Bible. Although you are right about the alphabet being a necessary tool for writing the various accounts of Bible down, but there might have been a oral tradition (which isn't hard to imagine) predating it by a few centuries. One of the most decisive reason why I think this way is the Bible itself. It glorifies God but presents its prophets as very fallible beings. Pretty normal human beings, other than their being a prophet. This is very unlike, say Quran where not a single verse in praise of Allah doesn't have a reference of the favourite apostle, Muhammad, too. In other words the 'heroes' of Bible are very much human, displaying very down to earth, raw and, at times, even, anti-social behaviour. Such, often, unheroic, less than flattering reports go against the basic notion of hero worship. In fact this even prompted scholars to study Biblical accounts from a purely psycho-pathological point of view. So to me it appears that these were real persons (or multiple persons identified as one, or even their accounts mixed up a little), with real concerns about their tribe or nation. Whether or not they also had prophetic visions is a matter of belief.

    • Demsci says:

      thanks for the reply chuck, I appreciate this "scholarly" response! Yes, I agree with the the oral traditions. And anyway, SCROLLS or clay-tablets COULD have been written, because Cuneiform and Hyroglyphes did exist from before 3000 BC.

      Good of you to remind Muslims how ARROGANT Mohammed or his biographers were about him, in contrast to the biographers of the Israelite prophets, who nevertheless were adopted by Mohammed as part of his doctrine.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Tablets? Check tablet of moses and the anti christ wup-forum.com/delving-deeper-into-the-person-dajjal-t9637-130.html

      Tsk, tsk. Once again, no tabayyun.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Did you succeed finding the real exact age of the earth yet, demSCI?

    • Demsci says:

      I suppose not, but it remains a very interesting topic to me. And I guess I favor the evolutionary side over the creation-side for now.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Its something that happened in the past long time ago. Eventhough historians speculated this and that, its god who knows more about it. And i still wanna ask any infidel scientists who deny god. What happened before the bing bang? If they think they are too smart and cocky enough to deny god and what he has done and told.

    • ihateislam says:

      Zia Shah of 'The Muslim Times' says that the Ahmadiyya muhammadans believe in evolution and the 'big bang'. Is he also not being too smart because he has not denied or denounced his muhammadan origin?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Ahmadiyah = Muhammadiyah? O.o

    • ihateislam says:

      Ahmadiyya, Sunni, Shia, etc=muhammadans.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      U mean ahmadiyah, sunni, shia = muhammadiyah? D:

    • Demsci says:

      "And i still wanna ask any infidel scientists who deny god. What happened before the bing bang? If they think they are too smart and cocky enough to deny god and what he has done and told."

      I am trying to understand your way of thinking here. OK, what if Scientists cannot answer your above question, and further show a modest, humble attitude by saying; there is so much what we do not know, and even what we do know can be replaced by new, better and more knowledge, so we are not sure of anything???

      Are you on that basis going to discard their many excellent work and theories, supported by so many facts and logic?

      And is that because you think you have some kind of perfect divine knowledge on your side which trumps their knowledge? But we think that your knowledge is NOT DIVINE, that it is only HUMAN, and that, consciously or unconsciously the ones that told you they spoke on the basis of DIVINE knowledge, lied to you or were mistaken.

      And you trust them, but you really do not have something solid from them. You know as little or less as we know.

    • Demsci says:

      We just deal differently with our lack of knowledge; we accept it, you seek refuge in false security, namely the label "of DIVINE origine" on your most cherished beliefs, it seems to me. But you really do nothing more than gamble, IMO.

      This is in response to Narcole, I am sorry if I also criticized my Christian allies. The main criticism on Islam remains it's opposition to Democracy, among many literal interpreters of it's holy texts.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Only me? Why…cos islam is like a beautiful big house that other neighbors jealous of and want to destroy it, other religions are like broken houses that no one want to visit :)o r mayb few ;)

    • ihateislam says:

      Some houses are actually sepulchers. They appear beautiful outside but the inside is full of decayed matter which oozes unbearable stench. So is muhammadanism which looks beautiful to you. But to the rest of the world, what is in it is nauseating.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Im inside the house, so i know its beautiful.ur only jealous neighbor with fitnah and without tabayyun :)

    • ihateislam says:

      What else will it be to you? The maggot thinks that the carcass is the best home because it do not know any better.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      The fox said the grapes are sour cos he couldnt reach the grapes :)

    • ihateislam says:

      The fox was heard complaining of hunger before calling the grapes 'sour'. No one needs to tell you how poisonous cyanide is. That goes also for muhammadanism.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Poisonous…your mouth?

    • ihateislam says:

      Poisonous……muhammadanism/islam.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      From your mouth ;)

    • ihateislam says:

      From the mouths and hearts of all muhammadans.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Your mouth said it :)

    • Demsci says:

      //"cos islam is like a beautiful big house that other neighbors jealous of and want to destroy it,"'//

      Oh, it could well be that "Islam" is a beautiful big house to many Muslims, with good reason too.

      But that could never be the main reason to hang on to Islam. Because another person could argue that " the Lord of the Rings" constitutes a great story and great morals, and for that reason a religion must be grounded on it. With the same right if evidence is provided as much for Islam as for "The Lord of the Rings". And "subjective feelings" are not substitutes for evidence.

      As religions can have competitors which also provide great morals, widespread order and happiness etc. it is just not enough for it to be a "beautiful big house"; it has to be true, or better, TRUER, better supported by EVIDENCE than competitor explanations of existence as well as competitor moral systems are.

      If you cannot procure better evidence than or even equal evidence to COMPETITORS OF ISLAM; other religions, lifestyles, then at least ADMIT it, that you LIKE it, and that Islam may well be NOT TRUE.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Your lord of the rings is your imagination.  and you think others also fiction. You have to be able to differ, science-fiction book, science, history, biography, and diary based on true  story. Your Democracy is your fantasy. Your science, is science-fiction. 

    • Demsci says:

      //"and you think others also fiction'//

      Noooo, that's now how I operate. I just say; there is as little proof for some parts of Islam as there is for "Lord of the Rings". And in the absence of proof for parts of Islam, and superior proof and logic for scientific explanations on Islam and it's issues/ theories, I choose the more plausible theories (and NOT the theories I happen to like more, or those my loved ones like more (I hope) as you seem to do).

      I am very weak in skepticism, so there is little that I reject immediately after hearing it, as you do so often,

      but when two or more theories are presented to explain the same events or situation, then I compare well and choose the most plausible explanation.

      I believe the burden of proof is only on someone who has a theory, which has a competitor theory with stronger evidence and logic.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      The burden of proof..hm..sounds a good topic. Theres no burden of proof. Cos this life is test. Read almaidah 5: 48.

    • Demsci says:

      //"Cos this life is test."//

      I think this life is meant to be happy and on aggregate positive for the other humans, so that mankind is happy.

      And increasingly we humans could have as goal; 100 years of life of good quality for a large proportion of humans, thanks to health care. With the proviso that a person also him/ herself cherishes the goal of 100 years of quality-life. After 100 years I propose people REALLY retire and live out their life in an easy way.

      I say this because I do not want us to rely on the promise of some afterlife. It may well exist, I just say that we humans only rely on the life between birth and death.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      The analogy is like someone whos holding a precious stone in hands and with an egg on head. When the egg is about to fall, is it wise to let off the precious stone and catch the egg instead?

    • Demsci says:

      And I do hope many humans agree on the great value that it is good to search for the highest truth we can find. And for us to do that, when there are competing theories about important questions, issues, yes, there can be burden of proof for people who make extraordinary claims. Life is a test; that is also an extraordinary claim. We can say to you; No, life just came about and evolved, that's it. And you have the burden of proof for your claim that "THIS life is a TEST".

    • narcole1919721 says:

      See 35:18 for the burden :)

    • narcole1919721 says:

      If i die, if you die, you will be responsible for your own deeds, i will be responsible for my own deeds.  When life ends, the best teacher in front of you is angel of death. All ur allies or friends, family and society wont be there to save you. Only you, and your deeds. the proof is death.

    • Demsci says:

      Democracy, what it entails, and how it is practiced in countries is precisely formulated and monitored and judged by FREEDOM HOUSE. And I know what Democracy is and also that it is well practiced in the West (it is not a phantasy).

      The science that I think and talk about, I read in the media, and the journalists read about it in scientific journals or heard about it from scientists.

      How come you yourself are rejecting such good sources so completely as you seem to do? What theories can you present that are better than what scientists, journalists and readers present about science?

      Don't tell us that your sources claim that THEIR source is DIVINE?! I think it is much more likely that THEIR source is just as human as any other.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      When god created nafs, nafsu said as it liked, i am me, you are you. Nafsu is symbol of desires include freedom in everything, and denying theres something higher than itself to obey. After that god created aqal, which said, you are my lord, i am your servant. Now. You said you chose aqal? In fact your way is democratic nafs.

    • cchuckc says:

      @narcole1919721
      //When god created nafs//
      Your confused Allah keeps on creating these to keep his reign intact :-). The problem with the Islamic concept of Nafs is that it is in direct opposition with another concept called Fitr.

      //nafsu said as it liked, i am me, you are you.//
      This isn't based on Quran or any Shahi Hadeeth. This is from Risala-i-noor. The hadeeth blames Allah of creating Nafs!! It again proves that the ignorance in this world is created by Allah. What a merciful God indeed. No wonder the believer of this cult are so ignorant!!

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Hm? fitrh? I am reading book explaining about fitrah now. just when ur writing ur message. And whats funnier, when ur talking about moslems inventions, i was also reading about it also. Another weird thing, i remember another word, then i wrote it on paper and then at the same time ad on tv saying it too. Isnt it funny? Well ask what u like now, i am reading the source :)

    • ihateislam says:

      That makes you the latest muhammadan prophet. According to your prophet, the dreams of prophets are revelations.Congratulations on your wahhy.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol please rearrange your sentences. no relation. pft

    • ihateislam says:

      No relation to what?
      You said you kept reading one thing or the other just as that item appears on the tv or monitor. That means you are receiving inspiration. Is that not the meaning of wahhy ? Any body who is so "divinely inspired" is a prophet. Once a prophet, your dreams become revelations, according to your unholy prophet.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol so u dnt know definition of wahyu x')

    • ihateislam says:

      I do but you don't.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      It seems its you whos confused with the concept. Perhaps, that confusion comes from  wrong definition of yours. :)

    • cchuckc says:

      @narcole1919721
      //It seems its you whos confused with the concept. Perhaps, that confusion comes from wrong definition of yours. :) //
      Tsch tsch. You are reading about it now and I have read about those two concept long back. Go read some more and this time keep the windows open :-).

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol no, the exam is in next 2 weeks. im reading kuliah books, one of them is about how to teach kids about islam. so ur question is already written and answered this book. For kids question, of course ;)

    • ihateislam says:

      That is pretty fitting. Children need to be guided. Allah seeks to be guided along the right path. So, muhammadanism is for those with kiddies' brains.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Nope, my exam is about islam, for educating kids major ;) wait, what number r u? 6 or 5? Forgot…chuck is number 3, demsci number2, nizam number 1

    • cchuckc says:

      //one of them is about how to teach kids about islam//
      And damage their souls permanently :-)

    • ihateislam says:

      Chuck,
      That captures magnificently the whole essence of muhammadan education or miseducation.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Hehe..dont worry about that. Teaching old people is abit too late, isnt it ;)

    • cchuckc says:

      @narcole1919721
      //dont worry about that. Teaching old people is abit too late, isnt it//
      Unlike you I am worried about kids getting such 'zahil' education.

      //Who are my fellows? :) *looks around*//
      Fellow muslims.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      About what nafs said, u should have a sheikh to guide you in understanding quran and hadith, also kitab. Im sorry ur in deep confusion for being alone  in seeking god. Ask. Or ull get astrayed.

    • ihateislam says:

      What will the sheik impart if, as it often happens, he has nothing between his two ears?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      r u talking about urself? xD

    • ihateislam says:

      Talking about ur sheik.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Have you met him? x') 

    • ihateislam says:

      No need for that. He is and cannot be different from the rest of you.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      You mean, nice and lovely like me? ^^

    • ihateislam says:

      As 'nice and lovely' like flavored cyanide.

    • Sakat says:

      @narcole
      "i am me",
      Who is this ,'i am me' ?.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Our nafs, of course.

    • Sakat says:

      @narcole
      Then why are you "narcole" and not "i am me", hahaha.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Because i have aqal ;)

    • Sakat says:

      @narcole
      If you are having aqal ,then why are you using ' i am me' instead of 'narcole' to refer.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Cos narcole is a username. I have many names :)

    • Sakat says:

      @narcole
      why u felt a name ,when actually you are 'i am me'.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      You are i am me? xD

    • narcole1919721 says:

      After god created aqal.

    • Sakat says:

      @narcole
      If the god (Allah) created aqal then why he found it necessary to convey all 'rules of behavior a man should have to follow' , through a messenger.If this Allah created all creature including human ,then why ? he failed to provide 4 pennies to man so that he can indulge in sex with his four wives at time,just think over it.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol im reading book explaining about that too now, its in fitrah concept :)

    • ihateislam says:

      A muhammadan will have permanent erection in Muhammad's paradise and his sensual pleasure "will be out of this world".

    • narcole1919721 says:

      You may talk to your wife about that. Where is she? :)

    • ihateislam says:

      Was Muhammad talking to you when he said that sex in paradise will be done dhaman, dhaman?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Was ur wife beside you when ur talking about sex on net? 

    • ihateislam says:

      Was your sex partner aka bf with you when you were reading a book on a muhammadan man having four penises to deal with his four wives? Reading such books means that you are into pornography.

    • cchuckc says:

      @Sakat
      //why he found it necessary to convey all 'rules of behavior a man should have to follow' , through a messenger//
      Good point.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol thats question no.3 in my kuliah book. x')

    • Sakat says:

      @ Chuck
      Thanks chucky ,some of your thoughts in past couple of posts were simply mind boggling,as demchi put it a ,' Scholarly response',thanks for enlightening us.

    • Demsci says:

      I second that

    • narcole1919721 says:

      And you hav to know what "history is written by winners" means.

    • ihateislam says:

      That is why Muhammad can be called a prophet by his followers instead of a criminal that he really was.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Its just ur fitnah :|

    • ihateislam says:

      That is the undiluted truth.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      In your dreams :)

    • ihateislam says:

      I know that muhammadans are dreamers just like their 'prophet'. But this is reality which differs from dreams.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Reality in your dreams :)

    • ihateislam says:

      Reality as in reality.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Like your dreams?

    • ihateislam says:

      I am not a self proclaimed prophet like Muhammad ibn Amina.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      So what r u? x')

    • ihateislam says:

      I am a clear headed human being who thinks right always.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Hasad can burn a clear headed man like fire completely burns the wood 'o'

    • ihateislam says:

      Muhamadanism is the enemy of good things. That is why it is always on the path of destruction.

    • Demsci says:

      Fair enough. But hey, I think that to read history and believe it until an alternative contradicting narrative is presented, after which comparison and choice of which to believe is called for,

      is better than

      to be so skeptical to believe nothing of what one reads, or to believe only some random parts of it, or to cease reading history altogether or to focus solely on "alternative History"

      I think in official history the amount of truth is significantly higher than the lies/ mistakes/ gaps in it.

      And I think when compared official history has more proof and logic than most "alternative history", especially "islamic alternative history". And I know that on Internet both of them are explained and compared extensively. Like real and conspiracy-theory of 9/11.

      And on which basis do you propose that we choose which theories to believe? If it is NOT on the basis of our beloved religion/ lifestyle and not based on what your loved ones choose.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      You think, eh. So what u think about hitler. And what REALLY happened in hitler history. 

    • Demsci says:

      Look Narcole, as far as I am concerned Hitler was bad AND he played false, not to mention that at times he was delusional IMO and wrong with his facts, conclusions and policies. AND his dictatorship, ruthlessness and violence and oppression was ABOMINABLE. What do you think about Hitler?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Thats in your opinion, based on media u read and heard. Its actually infidel vs infidel case. Which one side pointing out another sides fault, and then another side pointing out the other ones fault. In the end, whats visible is the other ones fault, in order to cover another ones fault from public eyes. Ofcourse that camouflage effort needed some extra stories to convince public so that the focus could run to the other one. Not on the first subject. Its ancient to shut up someone by judging him as delusional so that public wont listen to any truth he would convey.

    • Demsci says:

      you say wise and true enough things here. The point for me is that we should try to hear from both sides of the argument whenever we can.

      But we are talking about the trustworthyness of (the writings of) other humans when they tell us something.

      I say that we are better off when we read a lot, believe a lot, even if a portion of what we read is false, than we are if we read or believe nothing.

      Us listening, reading to what other people say and write, that is a BIG PLUS for me, even if you are right about lies and bias-distortions being scattered throughout what people say and write.

      You seem to prefer reading and believing "nothing" or only what your teachers recommend to read and believe. But your teachers are just as fallible as those other humans whose stories and opinions you reject. For you too the distinction between trustworthy and suspect sources is as difficult as for me. And why are you so sure about your commitment to Islam?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      You choose what you choose. I choose what i choose. We both were born with same fitrah, the fitrah is given as rahmat from god. But the actualization that will make difference. In alam ruh we already witnessed god. When in life we have that fitrah to actualize. My commitment in islam is my actualization of my fitrah.

    • Godwin says:

      Nacole, Yes it big badly damaged house suffering from too many suicide bombings. And the residents inside from different sects are killing n slaughtering each others with guns n bombs. Many try to run to Europe n Australia in overloaded boats but get drown in the high seas. Wahahahah ! U n your beautiful house !

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Who killing who? which sects? Who caused it, who started it? 

    • Godwin says:

      narcole, being a muslim, u should know. If not u are a muzzy, muzzy
      in the brain. Or retarded.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Then do you know? :)

    • ihateislam says:

      "WHO KILLING WHO? WHICH SECT?
      Sunnis killing shiites and vise versa, then both of them killing the Ahmadis.
      "WHO CAUSED IT, WHO STARTED IT?
      Muhammad ibn Amina. He said that his followers will split into 73 sects out of which only one would be the right one. Each sect thinks it is the right one while suspecting that the other is misguided. To establish dominance, there is an elimination contest.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Lol wrong answer. the answer isnt C, but A,B and D on page 9.41 x')

    • ihateislam says:

      Exactly as I thought. All the sects are killers.

    • Sakat says:

      @Narcole
      Dear what is the difference between ,"Sect" and "Human being",who? has created sect and who has created human?. Finally which "Sect" kills which "human" and why that fight persist and who regulate these fights .

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Read 8:72-73 :)

    • narcole1919721 says:

      question no.5, if there moslems from different sects fighting, so as quran says, they should do these, except,….
      A. try to discuss and find one point to unite
      B. make peace for silaturahm
      D. reconsiliation for harmony

    • Sakat says:

      You have not answerd the basic question ,who has created 'sect' and who has created 'human' ?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Did you read 5:48 yet? :)

    • ihateislam says:

      E. let them fight ad infinitum.
      The answer is E.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Nah, only four options. :) Wait, i gotta finish 40 chapters in 10 days.  Ciao! Be patient

    • narcole1919721 says:

      In wisdom lesson, a learned man shouldnt be cocky about what he has learned. Bcos, before he learned, he knew nothing. When he knew nothing, others had already known, even more.Whether its divine or not, fact is fact. Im a woman, and i know im a woman. Eventhough you doubt that im a woman cos u cant see me, the fact will stay the same.

    • greygandalf says:

      Should you happen across this, I have read a book by Laurence Krauss – A Universe from nothing. It may not depict what 'existed' before the big bang, but it presents the latest knowledge about the formation of our universe in a thorough, but easy to read manner (not too much maths !). I would recommend this as an introduction to advanced cosmology.

    • Phoenix says:

      greygandalf
      I have read a book by Laurence Krauss – A Universe from nothing//

      And of course by "nothing" he;s refering to the quantum vacuum which is not nothing but filled with electromagnetic waves,particles and anti-particles which would contradict the actual meaning of nothing.
      Also,consider this: where and how did the quantum vacuum exist prior to the physical universe?Surely you can see the apparent contradiction in the terms "prior to the big bang" or "pre-existence".It's oxymoronic.

    • Phoenix says:

      Okay,just to be clear – I should have said …It's oxymoronic in physicalist parlance.

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Ohh, funny, an ex christian, atheist darwinist, believing jews, and nameless historians. inconsistent :)

    • Demsci says:

      Thanks for that challenge, Narcole. But I am rather too naive than too "paranoid". I believe people of all possible creeds/ lifestyles. In fact, I look at MESSAGES, instead of at Messengers. This could easily mean that I believe a Muslims message over an infidels message if the two are on the same issue and contradict each other and I find the Muslims message more convincing.

      I only doubt people, and theories, when a better theory about same issue is presented.

      How is your attitude? Do you focus on message instead of on messenger? Can you on some issues prefer the message of an infidel over the message of a Muslim? Or even over the message of your "sheikh"? 

    • narcole1919721 says:

      I still respect my other sheikhs until now. But for me, my last sheikh is more convincing and none seems better than him yet. His 3lm level is higher. Wisdom, attitudes, good model, and good influence, charismatic and close to god. His du3a are mustajab, his words have strength and power in moving hearts. Among other sheikhs, hes very respected by them, even to real sheikhs that are known by most people as higher than him, respect him as equal. I doubt that i could find someone better than him. And it will be nightmare if he dies soon. It is really a nightmare for mukmins if ulama die, cos the 3lm will go with them and ignorance or dumbness will spread.You may be right about looking at the message instead of the messenger, sometimes. But in hadith, looking at the tellers also important. Cos if one of the hadith tellers ever lied even once, then eventhough the hadith is true, its hard to judge it as shahih, cos one ever lied once. But if the hadith tellers are all honest, and never ever lied even once in life, then the hadith can be absolutely accepted and shahih.

    • Demsci says:

      OK, logical, but as there are many HADITHS, and both "shahih" and untrustworthy ones, the Hadith-corpus is very mixed in trustworthy guiding parts, and deceiving, worthless parts. And a clear all encompassing consensus to which all muslims are obliged to adhere, on pain of expulsion from Islam, has not been reached. So you are always only representing your own version, interpretation of Quran-HADITHS-SIRA, and not that of all Muslims, so not of all "Islam".

    • narcole1919721 says:

      which is more shahih, shahih bukhari or shahih muslim? :)

    • Godwin says:

      narcole, comment on this passage : /There are so many sects in Islam: Sunni, Shia, Ahmadia, Islmaili, Salafi, Sufi, Nizari Wahhabi, the submitters, Nation of Islam, Ibadi, Kharijism, Mahdavi and more. They are fighting each other fiercely and violently. This is not expected in any peaceful society./

      Can Islam survive for another 50 years with this infighting n slaughtering ?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Dont worry, there imam mahdi, and prophet isa :)

    • ihateislam says:

      How many of these mahdis do muhammadans have? There was one in the Sudan, there was Ghulam Ahmad and recently there was Rashad Khalifa of Tuscan, Arizona? When will the next one come?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      The real imam mahdi wont claim himself as imam mahdi :)

    • ihateislam says:

      He will appear as a vagabond and to establish that state of joblessness he will kill swine and break crosses.
      Will this be done at a central place or the job seeker will move from location to location? What an absurdity!

    • narcole1919721 says:

      Its jesus who will do those, include to break the crosses. ;) 

    • ihateislam says:

      And what will the indolent mahdi do?

    • narcole1919721 says:

      At least not being indolent like you ;)

    • ihateislam says:

      I am busier than your allah who does nothing other sending some ossified brains to go and kill on its behalf.

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