I was in a relationship with a muslim
I came across your blog by accident while trying to search for answers on my failed relationship with my ex-boyfriend of 3 years. I have read most of your blog on one setting. Your blog really got my interest and I am thinking of buying your book. Though my story may not be as tragic as most who has experience abusive relationship with a Muslim partner, I will still like to tell you my story. I know you get tons of emails and I’ll be very grateful if you read at least half of my letter.
It all started when I was 17/18, I met a Muslim who was Syrian but raised in Saudi Arabia his whole life. We both shared the same interest, and we clicked instantly. When I met him, we just started off as friends, we became inseparable friends. He would tell me all about his life and I would tell him about my life. I got very attracted to him because he was different, he was more open than most guys. He was sensitive and honest (or so I thought). He was 3 years older than me and he was the oldest of four kids. Well our relationship felt like it was made in heaven. I was extremely happy. I am a very quiet, open minded, and maybe too innocent(which is why I fell into this trap). I am a person who is very picky when it comes to relationships. I always wanted a honest and serious relationship. Sadly this Muslim man was my third relationship and the most serious of all. He liked that I was still a virgin, I was well educated, and I had a passion for books and art. From the bottom of my heart, I felt like he was “The one”. I have never brought anyone home before him, He was the first boyfriend I ever introduced to my family because I was so sure he was “The one”. I have always been independent and very focus on my future and very respectful to other people’s culture. I am usually defending cultures who are always stereotyped by the media and Islam is one of them. I am a western girl, raised in America. I tend to see the good in people and I judge according to your treatment of others.
Sadly, I was too naive to see that I was dating someone who was manipulating. The most embarrassing part of this situation is that I am a psychology major with a soon to have a bachelor degree. You would think I would have seen the signs of my unhealthy relationship. Well back to the story. My boyfriend as amazing with me at first, He would talk to me about Islam and the beauty of Islam. He would talk about his close bond with his family and how he wanted to finish his studies before he got married. I thought “Wow, what an amazing man, very mature and very smart and a family man”, It was what I always wanted in a man. His relationship with his mother was very beautiful, always helping his family in whatever way he could. He bought me a Quran and I did not think much of it. I thought it would be a great idea to learn about his “Beautiful” culture and religion and get to know him better. He would tell me these amazing stories about Islam and how everything bad that is on the media about Islam here in america is all a lie. He would tell me about how well respect children are to their family in Islam, and how safe and secure Islam is. I felt like his life was wonderful. I had a different point of view in religion though, I believe in God but I do not follow a specific religion because I believe everyone has a different way of being close to god, there is no right or wrong way of worshiping God, just as long as you don’t harm yourself and others by doing it. I am very open minded when it comes to religion and I am always willing to learn new things because different cultures and religions fascinates me.
I always wanted to be with a man who was different than me in the sense that he is raised in another part of the world but that we could agree on the same principles. Someone who was just as open minded as I was. I started to like Islam because of the wonderful things my boyfriend would say about it. I did not believe it was perfect though because there were things I disagreed with. Whenever I asked him questions about things I was concern of, like for example: Why did Muhammad married a 6 year old? Why did Muhammad married many women? Why aren’t women allowed to marry non Muslims and have 4 husbands? Why are the men considered protectors, while women have to be dependent and taken care of?, These were innocent questions because I wanted to understand why he loves his religion so much and I hope he would answer me with a logical response. He would get infuriated when I asked him these things and yell at me “YOU HATE ISLAM!!! I KNOW YOU DO!! YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND ISLAM!! YOU HATE IT!”, and my response was “I was simply asking you questions because I do not know much about Islam and since you were born in that religion, I wanted an “experts” response”.
He would get very impatient with me and tell me that I will never understand Islam and the truth about the Quran because I failed to accept Allah in my heart. My family and my friends tried to warn me about Islam, they even showed me “Not without my daughter” and I have also read every page of the book but I still failed to see how wrong my boyfriend was for me. The love I had for him was beyond any love I have felt in my life, and it scared me. I became dependent of him and it was something I did not realize until it was too late. I started off by taking world religion courses at college, Took Cultural Anthropology, Sociology, Social Environment, Philosophy and a couple of psychology courses. This was in a span of 2 yeas trying to learn about Islam. I loved him so much that I denied the bad things done in the name of Islam. When he was good, he was incredibly great. He was caring, spend all week in the hospital with me when I got sick, comfort my mother and payed for my medical bills when he didn’t have to. I never asked him for much, just his love, his money did not buy my love. I loved him because I felt that he had a good heart and he had potential. The more I got into psychology, the more I started to see how Islam is preventing my boyfriend from reaching his full potential. I am not a person who likes bashing other religions because no religion is perfect. I tried being unbias.
I figured, The perfect man does not exist so he is the closest to perfect I will ever have. He makes me feel like no other man has ever made me feel. He knows my weakness and my strength and I know he cares about me and loves me. Well he was very secretive around his family when I tried to ask about them. He would tell me that his parents were still living in Saudia Arabia and when I asked to talk to them, he would tell me that they don’t speak English but that he tells them about me all the time and that they accept me. As naive as I am embarrassed to admit that I was, I believed him because I was afraid to question him. He would get offended if I doubted him. He would make me feel guilty that I even questioned his trust. He would say “Don’t you love me? You have known me for almost 3 years now and you question me? You disappoint me and you broke your promise!”. During all those 3 years we did not have intercourse because I respected his religion, there were times when we were tempted but I wasn’t going to let him do something he might regret after. He was very closed to his religion and I wanted him to lose his virginity after marriage, we both agreed on that. Usually I believe that just as long as you love someone, there is nothing wrong with sex but since he was religious, I did not want to get in the way of it, I wanted him to have the full experience of losing his virginity after marriage with me.
During those three years we never had sex but we did fool around somewhat. I stopped wearing skirts and shorts. I always wore pants and sweater. He told me that I need to protect my pride and honor for Allah because if I show off my body, I have no respect for myself. I honestly believed in every word he said. He had me completely. I tried very hard to convince myself that I will be happy with him. I started reading the Quran every night before going to bed, There were things I did not like about it, the mention of Hell on almost every page. You will go to hell for this, for that! hell hell hell. Sometimes I found it very contradicting and unfair but I was too afraid to make my boyfriend angry by questioning the Quran. I felt that if I made him angry, he will stop loving me and losing him was death for me. I became so absorb by him and so controlled by him that I lost my identity. The free will, open minded and happy spirited girl was gone. I was afraid to be myself because being myself was a sin in Islam and I did not want to lose my boyfriend.
Writing to you, I feel ashamed of the person I was and I am still healing today. I became the person I feared. I always had my pride, Since I was a little girl, I promised myself I would NEVER be dependent of a man. I will always be a strong woman and I even use to criticize women who were stuck in an abusive relationship. But now I went through it myself and all I can say is that I have learned a great deal about myself and others.
My boyfriend never lay a finger on me but he manipulated me every single day to the point of where I hated myself and wishing I was not raised a Christian so that I could be good enough for him. I wished I was born a Muslim with a Muslim family, maybe then he will accept me and his family too?. I felt that he did love me, why else would he stick with me for three years with no sex? (or so I thought). He was always constantly trying to live up to his family’s approval. He would constantly tell me that my parents HAS to be best friends with his parents, if not the relationship won’t work. My family really dislike Muslims but never stopped me from dating him, they just warned me. My boyfriend knew my parents did not like Muslims. My boyfriend wanted me to live with him in Saudi Arabia and have our kids other there and convert them to Islam.
After our last month of our relationship, the 3rd and final year of me constantly trying to keep it together and make it work for the sake of love. If you love someone you should always fight for them and never give up on them. That was my motto. I loved him and I wasn’t going to give up, I do not care how long I have to wait to get married, just as long as I had him in my life, rich, poor, sick, healthy, I would still love him. I wanted to prove to him that I had what it takes to be his wife. During our last month, he got into a horrific fight with his family and then with me. The moment of truth was a stab to my heart. It turned out that his parents never knew about me and he told him that last few days of our relationship that he was dating a western girl. He lied to me, and to his parents, and he gave me falls hope. Three years I spend trying to understand Islam, trying to be a good Muslim girlfriend and trying my best to make him happy. Anything he asked for, I would do it for him. The great amount of patience I had for him, his ignorant mind, the great the I was always able to calm him down during his tough times. I would stay up all night comforting him and trying my best to make it work. Love is not easy and is not always a fairytale but I wanted to prove that I could handle the tough times of a relationship, That I had what it takes to be in a serious relationship.
He dumped me and I started crying and he started crying too. He wanted to be my friend. I tried very hard to be his friend but it did a lot of harm to me. I always begged him to have me back even after the lies. I was sick in the head. I went into a deep depression, at first angry at myself for not doing my best to be a good girlfriend, it was never enough and I was ashamed that I didn’t do better. A shamed that I questioned his religion during our first year in our relationship. I kept blaming myself and that it was all my fault. For 8 months we talked but he was very cold with me. I swear he became the worse person I have ever met. After he dumped me, I became very sick, I starved myself due to my depression, locked in my room for weeks. I would eat without hunger and then my body would reject the food, I did not feel hungry or thirsty. I felt dead. I ended up having a heart surgery due to the heart defect I was born with and starving myself did not help at all. He knew about my surgery but thought I was lying about it. At first he cared but once he saw that I lived through the surgery, he went back to being cold. He was always “busy”. He was pushing me away very hard. I felt like I was dirty. He would only come to me when he was having problems with his family. He would go back to being sweet, “I always need you in my life, you are the best lover and family I ever had in my life and I always need you in my life”. Like an idiot I stayed. I had patience with him and his coldness. I wrote him poems, I made him things to show him how much I still loved him, but he kept pushing me away.
I was angry with him for not trying to stand up to me. I felt angry with him for using me for 3 years and making me believe that his family knew about me. I was angry that I wasted 3 years of my life with someone who obviously does not know the first thing about love. Over the next few months I kept fighting with myself, the feelings of love and hate towards him. I went into a relationship therapist session at my college as an extra credit assignment, which involved 10 session for an hour once a week. It helped me a lot, at first I ignored what the therapist was saying but then I started to pay attention and sometimes I would get upset. I never missed one session, I always went, tried my very best to pay attention. That was when the healing started. I wrote my ex a very long letter and I blocked him from every social network and phone number. It has been 4 months since I last spoke to him and not once has he bothered to contact me or ask about me. Now that I am healing, I know I did nothing wrong in the relationship, my only fault was that I was very naive and that I gave too much of my heart and soul to a man who fed on me. Like that saying goes, “You are my disease and I was your cure, While I am healing you, you were killing me”. That is how my relationship was. He benefited the most from it. I was always the right person who cheered him up.
Now I am 21, he is 25, His birthday just passed last month, Never called him once to congratulate and at this point I do not care about his feelings anymore. I would be lying to you if I told you I feel nothing for him. It will be a year on April 5th since he dumped me. There are nights where a tear escapes me. I don’t scream into my pillow anymore, or cry till 5am or drink myself to sleep anymore. Memories are still there and at night is when I usually remember him the most and tears starts to fall but then I cheer myself up with music or television. I still love him and I know it is sick and crazy, but I will not want to be in a relationship with him anymore. I know he will never be the man I deserve to have. He had potential but I felt like Islam prevented him from being a man. He was still a child and I know that he will never be a man to any woman. Maybe he is better off with an Arabic Muslim girl. Maybe I am wrong to judge Islam so badly, Maybe it is his culture but whatever it is, His parents don’t want what’s best for him, they want what’s best for themselves. I believe that a parent should never dictate their grown adult children but it is very common in Islam, from what I have seen and I know other religions parents dictate their kids as well but I have seen it a lot in Islam. My ex boyfriend told me it was impossible to be with me because his parents don’t accept us together and rejecting his parents would make Allah angry and send him straight to hell. Did he ever love me? He swear in the name of Allah that he loved me, but I don’t know what is true or what is a lie anymore. He lied about so many things, I bet he had other girls or had sex with other girls and probably was out on a date when he would tell me he was busy studying or working.
I know longer feel that our relationship as true. His personality was not true. I probably fell in love with the fragment of his imagination, the man he created for himself. As much as I hate criticizing religion, Islam is totally not for me and I will never stop someone from converting to Islam. From this experience, I have learn that you can’t change others if they aren’t willing and I know Muslims are probably the most stubborn. My ex was stubborn as hell. He was always right, and no other religion was perfect than Islam. I sacrificed a lot for him and he knows it. He tells me that he had to sacrifice a lot for me but in the end, he lost nothing, he never lost his identity, his family, health, and his friends. I lost so much because I willingly sacrificed a lot for him. I know there are things that are completely my fault as well and that we both did wrong. I just wished he was honest with me from the start instead of allowing us to hurt each other the way we did. Would I have changed my past if given the choice? No, From this experience I have learned a great deal. I know there are women out there are have married these men and have had children and feel stuck, my heart goes out to them. I am more fortunate because my life never got as bad as to have kids with him. The brave women trying to get away from their abusive husbands are very strong. Leaving Islam is very hard and I have tasted a bit of Islam. I have learned that I am still young and I can still find a man who will love me, any woman at any age can find a good man, it is never too late. I am getting ready to buy your book “Understanding of Muhammad”. I want to learn more about Islam and why my ex was the way he was.
Ali, you are a brave person to put the things you write on your blog. To deal with the constant criticism. It is not easy having to deal with that but your blogs are very true, not only in Islam but in people in general, always be careful with who you date, you never know his true colors until it is too late. If you have anything to say to me, I will gladly welcome it. I want to know more about Islam and I know you are an ex Muslim and an expert in Islam. Thank you so much for giving my email an opportunity.
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Dear Melanie (a name I made up)
Thank you for sharing your story with me and others. It is important that young women learn the truth about relationship with Muslim men.
From what you wrote, I believe this man loved you. If he didn’t love you he would have slept with you. Muslims do that all the time but when a woman gives in to them they immediately think of her as a whore, someone to be used and then dumped. So let me set this as a rule for all women who read this. If you have intercourse with a Muslim man you become a whore in his eyes. He is not going to marry you. Sooner or later he will dump you.
So this man must have loved you. But the love of a Muslim man is not love. Muslims don’t know the meaning of love. What they sense is infatuation, which is the spark of love. But like spark it is short-lived. And when the infatuation is gone, so will the interest. Then they become abusive. They feel cheated and guilty at the same time. So they abuse you verbally and emotionally so much until you leave them.
Only those who have received love can give love. As a norm, Muslims have no understanding of love, because the Islamic world is a loveless world. Even Valentine day is banned in several Islamic countries. There are always exceptions to norms, but exceptions are exceptions.
Muslims grow up in patriarchal societies. Patriarchal societies raise emotionally disturbed humans. You have majored in psychology and you know the meaning of shared psychosis. Since Muslims follow an insane man their entire world has become insane. In Islamic societies, insanity is cultural. If you get my book, you’ll get the idea.
Your Muslim boyfriend lied to you. He played with your feelings. He abused you, but unlike most Muslims he did not do these of malice. He could not help it. He was probably torn apart between what his heart said is right and what his faith said he should do and in the battle between heart and faith, faith always wins.
Of course you cannot help people of faith. Leave them. Reason and love are powerless when faced with religious conviction. A religious person is capable of killing his own offspring. We have the example of that in the mentally sick Abraham in the Bible and we have plenty of cases among Muslims to count. Every year in the West hundreds of girls are honor killed by their Muslim parents and brothers. It is not that they do not love their daughters. It is that their faith comes first.
Ignore Muslims, whether man or woman. They don’t make good life partners. They hardly make good spouses even to each other let alone to someone from a different religion and mindset.
Now I would like to publish your email with a fake name, if that is okay with you. I am sure it will help other girls in your situation.
Wish you the best
Ali
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This is why I wrote the letter 🙂 I wanted you to share it with other girls. It is very important to really figure out these guys because they are good liars. It took my ex boyfriend being charming with me and loving me at first, that when he started to change I did not realize that what he was doing was wrong. I got really deep into the Muslim culture. I did not think the way I use to. What was immoral to me, became moral. It got to a point where I would rather have him marry a second wife if it meant not losing him. Now that I have awaken, I feel disgusted by my personality when I was with him, That girl was not me. I have never felt so weak in my life. It destroyed the pride I had but it also taught me that anyone can fall for these men. Whether educated or uneducated, it can happen to anyone. I grew from this experience. I was too full of myself to think that these kinds of things will never happen to a smart girl like me but as I said before, it could have been worse. I could have married this guy and moved to Saudi Arabia because at that time I was willing to drop everything for him. I realized that what he felt for me was the only love he has learned in his society. It is the only way he can show love because he does not know any other way. Sometimes I fight with my on thoughts. I don’t know whether to blame him or the culture and religion he is from. A reasonable person would eventually learn from this mistakes but he felt that he was doing the right thing by leaving me. He thought Allah would reward him by being obedient to his parents and that breaks my heart more than anything because he is not evil. He has a heart but his religion prevents him from growing. I fear he will suffer later in life.
As an ex Muslim, I would like to ask you, Do you honestly think an Arabian Muslim woman will also have trouble with him? Even though they have the same religion and culture? Is that possible?. Makes me sad that the Muslim mindset will go on with generations to come. It takes a strong person to break that chain. I know he will teach his kids what his parents taught him and so on. His brother left the family because he could have handle them running his life and to me that is extremely brave because he lives in Saudi Arabia. Now his parents consider him dead. I can’t imagine a parent thinking that way of their own kids. I would be happy to see my child alive and happy regardless of what religion he chooses. My ex boyfriend always claimed that his parents give him freedom. That Saudi Arabia is SOO free and full of love. Yet, his parents asked him “it’s either her or us”. That’s a form of manipulation and I know this very well from psychology. His parents manipulate him in a smart way. He don’t directly tell him to leave me but they imply it in hidden words. I honestly felt like I loved him more than his parents and it took my a massive deal of courage to block him out of my life. I felt like I was committing suicide by leaving him. I was constantly worried that his parents would punish him for being with me but in the end there is nothing I could have done. It is strange but even though I had a bad experience with a Muslim, I can never hate them all, I feel sorry for them because I know there are good Muslims out there but their mentally is so corrupted. It makes me sad because the only truth they know is what they learn within their family and society. I even researched for a Psychology school in Saudi Arabia when I was thinking of moving there with him and there was none. Psychology will only prove that Islam and the Sharia law is against psychological principles and in order to strive as healthy adults, you will have to leave everything that Islam has taught you.
Thank you very much for taking the time to read my long letter 🙂 I appreciate your time and patience, keep writing and keep helping others because what you are doing is the right thing. You understand Islam in a very deep way. God bless you.
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Dear Melanie
Of course this person can’t have a meaningful relationship even with a Muslim girl who agrees with everything he believes. Islamic thinking is sick. It is not just incompatible with the thinking of rational people. It simply does not work. There is no happiness in any Muslim household, unless they live an un-Islamic life and are Muslim only by name. You can see that the Muslim societies don’t work. They are poor (unless they have oil), which means they can’t produce anything. They are constantly in war with each other and with their non-Muslim neighbors. They are all dictatorial to varying degrees and corruption is rampant. We also read a lot about honor killings. But what never becomes news is that no Islamic household is happy. There is so much oppression and abuse that most Muslims need psychological help. Depression in women and narcissism in men is the norm. However, Muslims would tell you that their families were normal. It is because that is the norm. It is like we are unaware of the atmospheric pressure on our body; Muslims are unaware of the sickness in their society. That is the only model they know, so it is normal to them.
Muslim men take away the independence of the women first and make them so submissive that they these women even allow the humiliation of accepting a co-wife just to be with them. This is utterly sick. A person that loves you, would never demand such thing. Instead will be happy to help you grow and share your life with him for love, nor for fear of abandonment. In Chapter 9 of the sixth edition I have compared Muhammad to an infamous psychopath. You will find the similarities are standing. And since Muslims emulate their prophet, they are all psychopaths in their relationship. These people are not healthy. Don’t be fooled. To the extent that they follow their prophet, all Muslims are psychologically impaired, .
Hope others learn from your experience and don’t go through what you went through.
Did not read it all, but the answer, that this guy loved her, because he did not bed her, is quite ridiculous, in my opinion. He is a conniver and this pattern fit his psyche. He meant to do what they all do, in the end, to marry her and take her “home”, and show off his “find”. Whatever his mentality, he was raised on the damn koran, which ingrained him with a sick culture. She may have asked about pedophilia, but his screams simply said, “I do not follow logic, I follow my emotions!” – That, in the final analysis, is the heart of their sick culture. No good reasoning can prevail in the culture he was raised in. In his mind, because allegiance to a sick “prophet” was paramount, otherwise he’d be killed, it simply engendered an emotional response to all things non-muslim.
Not worth talking about except to warn all poor gals that no matter how handsome, how sweet-talking they appear, muslim men are sick, on the whole, especially if they came from muslim countries.
Hi Mr. Sina,
I am speechless every time I read you. All I can say is that "you are doing a GREAT GREAT GREAT job towards humanity. I urge my Muslim brothers and sisters to read and understand your articles and blogs with open mindedness."
Eye opening – seems reality based. But something I just felt like adding here, it's a bit hilarious though, the girl claiming herself to be an American but doesn't sound like one. Or I wonder if she's from South 'America'. Americans do not sound English so weirdly lol.
– I'm 18, a born Moslem from Pakistan, still living here with my family BUT God is dead for me, it's stealthy and if anyone gets to know what beliefs do I posses for God or Islam, they're gonna kill me so please do not reveal my identity. –
Adam:I am a muslim man, and my wife and I are equals.//
You have either adopted your host nation's customs and social behaviors or you have not taken recourse to any islamic texts on how to treat women.Either way,your relationship with your wife is contrary to Muhammad's sunnah,he dominated them,gave them lesser rights and even beat them.Even the principle of polygamy is a contradiction to the equality of men and women.Do the math.
@Adam
Suppose you have are sleeping with another woman and your wife finds out about your relationship. What is the remedy do you think Sharia provides for your wife?
//"Very disappointed to read this biased views that generalize a whole culture and religion."//
The article is about the patriarchal influence of Islam, resulting in a patriarchal culture. With Muslims that practice and preach patriarchal oppression of women who openly refer to Quran and Sunna as justification for this oppression of women, like they do under the Taliban and in Iran. And justifying this self-confessed Muslim clerics, leaders, followers, mostly quote Quran and Sunna accurately. This is shown and known and ample evidence of it can be given.
So the link of influence of Quran-Sunna on patriarchal oppression of women is there for all to see.
You and your family just may have a different interpretation of Quran and Sunna than misogynous women-oppressors have. And that would be logical, because Quran-Sunna seems to be multi-interpretable, vaque and ambiguous and very incomplete, more so when many Muslims cherrypick what they like from it and do not bother with the rest. So Quran-Sunna are very prone to misuse and misunderstanding, which is your real problem when you use the very tainted name of Muslim.
Also you and your family may well be and behave the way you are, despite Islam. And thanks to Western Democratic influence, absorbed by you unconsciously.
And anyway; Islam does not exist in a vacuum. There are other cultural and religious influence that we think are better than Islam.
And when you do not want us to generalize the whole culture and religion of Islam, that is tantamount to saying that there is no unique "bad" influence of Islam. But you have to bear in mind that then also it is very possible that there is no unique "good" influence of Islam too.
If all the bad examples given here are according to you not caused by Islamic influence. Then in future, all good examples of good behavior of Muslims can just as easy be contributed to other causes than Islamic influence.
No, it is better to try to see the big picture, and not just to focus on individual experience, like you do in your post, and try to assess what the influence of Islam is, good and bad alike. And whether it is good or bad in relation to good moral values and alternative ways of life to Islam.
And in the big picture Islam seems to have a bad influence regarding misogyny and patriarchal oppression of women, unlike many of it's competitor religions and lifestyles. In our opinion. Would you like us to show you?
I am a muslim man, and my wife and I are equals. There is no dominance or manipulation either way, and we are a very happy couple. My parents are muslim, and if anything, my mom runs the show in that marriage. Very disappointed to read this biased views that generalize a whole culture and religion..
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@Demsci
Did you also fall for that fake theory? It is not true. I refuted it completely in my new book The Life of Muhammad under the Light of Reason and explained the "mysteries" that have boggled the revisionists to claim Muhammad never existed.
Thank you for your wonderful advice 🙂 continue to always support and be there for your daughters, they will be grateful for what you do for them :).
@Angel, Sorry for the late reply. I have been in that situation and it is hard and scary to leave the man you love. It took me a long time to stop crying at nights. I am doing things I wasn't allowed to do in all those 3 years of being with my ex boyfriend. At first being free made me feel guilty because I was still emotionally attached to him but now I feel great having a mind of my own. My ex said all the right things to me. He would say everything I wanted to hear in a man and much more. He showered me in affection and love. When I was finally in love with him, I did not want to see that he was manipulating me. Everything that was immoral to me, became moral. He had a way of him… which is hard to describe… He was an excellent liar. On all our fights, I was always the blame, even when it was his fault. He would twist the situation and really make me believe it was MY fault. I would feel guilty to the point where I would "gladly" blame myself. It got to the point where I was really submissive and I would have done anything for him.
The old me was not like this. Angel, it's been a year since he left me and I still feel the pain but it is not as bad as before. I have accepted that there is nothing I can do for him. Even if he came back and I took him back, I would never be happy with him for the simple fact that his parents will ALWAYS control him and he will always be the willing victim. It is scary to be alone. I was extremely terrified but with the support of your friends and family you will overcome this. I think you should talk to someone or do activities that will keep your mind off him. I was very hard on myself when he left me. I felt like a massive idiot for falling in love with a guy who was completely wrong for me. But this is life and we do things we never expected to do but learning from these experience will lead to something better. Three month of your relationship he started to change right? I think you still can leave him a lot easier. It took me 2 years to REALLY see that my ex was a different person and by then I was so submissive. I know you might feel that you don't have the strength but you have to believe in yourself. Something better will come. If you don't leave him, you might have to learn it the hard way.
I can't force you to do anything but all I can say is that I wish you do what is right for YOU. Think about your future, think about your kids, is this the lifestyle you want? Someone you love will NEVER try to change your identity. Please don't lose yourself like I did. I was afraid to leave my ex because I thought I would NEVER find anyone like him or anyone who would make me feel the way he did. This is learned helplessness. You have the power to change your life right now, take it one step at a time. I am still healing but I am moving forward… may not be a fast progress but at least I am moving to a better future. I do not know what my future holds but I want to believe it will be a lot better than my last 3 years and I believe I will find love again and so can you 🙂
@slaveofprophet: By your own id, Muhammad was a slave master and you're his slave. There's no spirituality in a slave master and slave relationship. You're owned.
I'm surprised that the self-proclaimed-slave of the pedophile is still here
That sick man is playing a game and as the sadists that Muslims are he enjoys it and is having fun. Ignore the bastard and move on. He probably is not even engaged and says this to hurt you.
@knowTheEnemy, you are very right and what you have said have really help me continue to focus on my exams. Passing my classes is the only thing that will get me further into accomplishing a good career. Thank you very much for your advice, I needed that 🙂
while reading your letters, I feel scared,,. i was currently in a relationship with an egyptian guy, he is the same character as what you describe in your letter,.. in our first month he was so inloved to me, he proposed to marry me after my vacation, when suddenly after 3 months ofour relationship he became a different person, I love him so much and I dont know how to leave him, when I reading a letter like this i feel motivated, but I dont know how to start,. I feel scared to be alone, like you I am not like this before, I am very bold lady, I am very smart when it comes to chosing a guy, but this is all change,..
"What kind of man tell a woman he loves her? while being engaged to someone else?"
I can think of two possible answers to this question- 1) A man who has no guts to tell his parents that he loves someone else and that he will only marry her. In this case why would you want to have feelings for such gutless coward?
2) He respects his social customs and traditions very much and will never reject the woman that his mommy found for him. His respect for you otoh is next to zero and hopes to keep you as a mistress on the side (someone who is available to him but has no position in his family). This is something you have to decide yourself if really your self-respect is so low that you are willing to be his concubine!
If I were you I'll say "MAY HE GO TO HELL" with full passion and concentrate on the exams.
Thank you Sakat :), God bless.
@ Moving Forward
Don,t think ;out of love he send this message.He wants to disturb your equilibrium during exam .Infect he is disturbed of your attitude (of neglecting him) .These people are well versed in Taquiya. So just ignore him and see the result.God bless.
SO just a few days before my exam, My ex messages me today to tell me he is engaged. Never thought it would affect me so badly. I blocked all his phone numbers after I stop contacting him but today he messages me with a different number that he loves me but he is engaged. I have been preparing for my final exams for weeks =/ I am trying hard not to let this get to me. What kind of man tell a woman he loves her? while being engaged to someone else?
I hope the best for you!! You seem smarter and reflective. I am a father of daughters and I am raising them to be warriors. I am teaching them to look for agendas that are hidden in people and a smiling face doesn't reveal the heart, So always look at the heart and a kind heart is based on loving actions to ALL people ALL the time!! When I read your story, I felt sorry for you, but I also read strength through the anguish. One thing that angered me was the reaction and advice you got from your parents. If my daughter was going down this bad fork, I personally would scream form the top of the mountain until my daughter woke up. A parent needs to step in when they see their children making bad choices, If not then, then who will?? A good father is ALWAYS shining light on the path for their children. Good Luck on your exams and be smart!!
Another thing, Why would you want her to be thankful to a person that called her stupid?
"Listen stupid women", sounded very clear that she was referring to the women.
Yea you are right Guest, Sorry for getting offended. Right now I am trying to finish my education because knowledge is the best thing a person can have. I don't think I can save people at all. What I have learn it that people can only save themselves if they are willing. Took me a while to save myself. I think the best thing a person can have is the support of their family when they are having a tough time, it always helps. It has helped me a lot. If you have anything to input please do so. Might take me a while to get back at you though. Have finals exams in two weeks.
I think she did saw things for what they were which is why she wrote that she does not want him back and it was with these lessons that she learn. She had a few things she wanted to ask Sina that she yet did not understand about her boyfriend's Muslim mind.
Of course she did a stupid mistake but she grew from that so far. Hey it was a good thing she didn't continue being in contact with him. She is still too young to be a full grown warrior. We all go through the Wishy Washy stage lol but I am glad that she understood what went wrong.
But if anything, I respect your opinion 😀
She wasn't calling you stupid, she was calling your decision making stupid. She was challenging you to quit being so wishy washy and become a warrior. See things for what they are and quit trying to "save" people. She was trying to help you grow and be stronger by shining the light on truth. Yes, you do need to continue growing and make many mistakes, because of getting offended, you should have thanked her for her honest words to you.
She wasn't calling you stupid, she was calling your decision making stupid. She was challenging you to quit being so wishy washy and become a warrior. See things for what they are and quit trying to "save" people. She was trying to help you grow and be stronger by shining the light on truth. Yes, you do need to continue growing and make many mistakes, because of getting offended, you should have thanked her for her honest words to you.
Then why is homosexuality among Muslim men so prevalent? You Muslims are all on the down-lo. You don't see that you have codified illness and insanity??? Destruction is normal to you and goodness is foreign to you? Why is that? Is that logical? No it is the mind of a criminal. Islam is the biggest criminal gig out there.
No, I see them as ill. They are diseased in their minds and they have an emotional condition. I feel sorry for them, like I would anybody that is sick. I would wish for them to get well..That is what I think and feel when I meet or see a Muslim.
islamic pig is that why you are using internet. if nonmuslim logic is illogic you wouldn't have internet.
try to use your brain muslim pigs.
and yeah we will apply same islamic logic to your prostitute mother and sister.
@denialsnoproof
Non-Islamic laws & logics are illogical and absurd.
so we will satisfy your mother's sexual need when you are killed in war. pig
we will apply same islamic logic to your mother sister and your pig wife.
I declare muslims as worst than pigs. and they deserved to be castrated and thrown to gutter to rot.
muslim women are born whores. and muslim men are their pimps.slave of child rapist.
slave of child raping pig.
the pakistan, bangladesh and afghanistan were forcefully converted to islam using sword.Now if you want to convert india into pisslamic republic again you have to use sword. just try it and you will get your answer.
slave of third class daughter in law rapist. you muslim pigs will have your day.
modi will come to power and kick out all you pigs to pakistan. there you can to halala of your mom.
and we will deal with muslim pigs in the same way you deal with atheists.
@Know the Enemy
I am here because of Islamic mission of Islamistan of whole Asia continent. Conversion into Islam of Whole Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh is our success which were earlier non-believers or Hindu regions. Now, I am focusing on India in which 85% non-believers in prophet & Allah.
Saudi Arabia is clearly a heaven for all slaves of Muhammad. Why don't you permanently move there!
@Know The Enemy
Prophet declared worst creature to Ex-Muslim. We will follow only our prophet. Death sentence certain for such people in Islamic regime. Any disagreement with Islam should be treated as terrorism. Recently only Saudi Arabia brought this Islamic law into its constitution.
No! If s/he is an EX-Muslim for example, I immediately judge him/her as a VERY GOOD person!
@KLMNOP
Please do not talk nonsense. Bring evidence from Quran or Hadith to prove prophet (PBUH) allowed to do sex with animals. Prophet allowed sex with slave women (Women of non-believers) because their husband had been got killed in war and prophet was aware women of non-believers also desired to satisfy their sexual need by prophet & his companions.
Mohammed allowed to have sex with the animals. But he didn't said Muslims to marry them, Strange!!!
Alright thanks for your response. That's what I was looking for.
Honestly, when I first met my ex boyfriend I did not care about his religion as long as he was a good person but everything went downhill as our relationship progressed. He was a good person but when it came to reasoning with different views he would become aggressive and very prejudice towards other cultures and religions. I think he couldn't help being or acting like this because it was correct in his culture. In the end, we both had different values but no I don't dislike every Muslim I have met. It is best to "agree to disagree" and leave it at that.
If any of you people meet a Muslim for the first time, do you immediately judge him/her as a bad person?
//"The worship of the one and only God frees man from all sorts of pettiness and parochialism."// Positive argument, followed by other positive arguments. Perhaps true, but to pettiness and parochialism there are other, better alternatives than Islam IMO.
//"The declaration of Islam that all men and women are the creation of the one and only God
and they are children of the same parents, transformed the people of Arabia into a strong society at a time when they were fighting against one another for tribal supremacy and superiority,"//
Alternative theory put forward by Robert Spencer, some historians; Islam as we know it came into existence only gradually and ,surprisingly, AFTER the big Arab conquests and expansion in the 7th century. And not before as Muslims argue and so many uncritically accept.
There was some kind of catastrophe in the 6th century (perhaps a comet-impact or volcano-eruption) that robbed the Byzantine empire of perhaps 1/3 of it's inhabitants by plaques. And from 602 tot 628 the Byzantine empire was attacked by the Persians, under Chosroes, from the east and Avars and Slavs from the West. It was almost wiped out, yet, on it;s last legs, under Heraclius, it totally beat the Persian Empire.
So the Byzantines and Persians were then, in the time just before Arab expansion, totally exhausted, creating a powervacuum for the Arabs who took advantage of it. Both were unable to bribe their former Arab allies, in their pay long since, any more. So their Arab allies deserted to the other Arabs, and together with them swept into the power vacuum.
It was only later that Islam was gradually formed as it is known today. Only after 691 AD a clear doctrine of Islam seems to emerge. Before there is no or only confusing evidence of parts of Islam. Arabs at first were pagans, Christians, or maybe believing in some vaque religion, based on "Hagar", wife of Abraham and mother of Ismail, as some of the earliest sources about Arab conquest calls them "Hagarians".
All the more strange, come to think of it, that Christians LATER called the Muslims, or Arabs, "Saracens", meaning descendants of Sara, Abraham's other wife.
Thank you Ali Sina for your response. I always thought friendship was possible, even after a long relationship. I thought we could be mature and not let our "breakup" affect the kindness towards each other but of course I was wrong. He said we could be friends but his actions were so unwilling. He was a Sunni Muslim, he told me Sunni was the best kind of Muslim you could be. What is the difference between a Sunni and a Shia. He never really bothered to explain it to me in full details. All He told me was that Sunni are the real Muslims, they are pure, they have strong family bond and they are all based on love.
//'THE WESTERN COUTURE,TEEN SEX,FREE SEX,PROSTITUTION,WIFE SWAPPING/CALL GIRLS/NIGHT CLUB/PEDOPHILES/HOMO SEXUAL/ABORTION/EVEN LATEST REPORT SAYS THEY NOT ALLOWED EVEN DEAD BODY'S OF GIRLS/WOMEN ………………THE FAMILY SYSTEM COMPLETELY COLLAPSE,DIVORCE RATE INCREASED,"//
Part of this is true enough. But it is the consequence of a free society. Many people choose no significant or "poor" big lifechoices. But is Islam really the only or best answer? No, Islam has great competitors in big life choices, IMO.
//"NO AUTHORITY OF ISLAM,THE AUTHORITY OF ISLAM IS QURAN/SUNNA ,25 OF PROPHET HISTORY IS THERE"//
Authority in this context is an interesting word, because ADHERENCE to Quran/ Sunna in a proper way is nowhere ENFORCED among Muslims on pain of expulsion.
When, say, a political party, like in Holland, the Party For The Animals, have a set of core key principles, written in their manifest, the leaders of that party will only allow so much deviation and they will expel members of that party that grossly deviate, and in the public awareness, from the core key principles of the party. Saying; get lost, start your own party.
But in Islam we see the opposite; The Islamic movement forbids EVERY member to apostasize, regardless of how a member deviates from the core key principle of Islam in Quran/ Sunna.
But when it comes to "bragging" about how big Islam is and how much it is growing, deviant opinions among Muslims, very much in the public awareness too, are completely ignored, and all who confess to be Muslims, who are born into Islam, and also all who convert into it are counted.
Now, for Muslim's failure to expel the "weeds", the bad members, among them, they are "punished" in a way. Because many self-confessed Muslims give Islam a bad name. And the other Muslims, at least the leaders, have themselves to blame, and not the outsiders, because the true key principles of Islam are not enforced, like the key principles of political parties are enforced by the leaders of those parties.
//"@Muslim men displayed immoral, mysoginistic, at times criminal behavior…….."//
You quoted me incompletely, considerably changing the meaning of what I wrote, thereby creating a "strawman fallacy"
I clearly wrote: The DESCRIBED Muslim men displayed …. etc.".
Was this an honest mistake or a deliberate twist?
But instead so many Muslims believe apostasy in Islam is a crime punishable by death! I know you deny this is a principle, law or mandate in Quran/ Sunna, but polls taken in Islamic countries, and even in Democratic countries among Muslims living there, show high percentages of Muslims in favor of this!!! And many Influential Islamic clerics have been shown to support it on MEMRI TV.
If Muslims want to let Islam compete honestly with the other big lifechoices, let them denounce and renounce both the deathpenalty for apostasy in Islam and those Muslims who still support that!
So we see here your advice to Kuffars to study the different religions of the world and it is good advice. And the Kuffars all over the world allow it, and also allow conversion into Islam.
Now, we Kuffars, say to you Muslims, YOU are the unbelievers, the Kuffars, in our religions, lifestyles, set of beliefs, government systems, beautiful evolution theory, beautiful scientific methods etc. So you Muslims, study those too, and you allow all young doubting Muslims to do so. Do not indoctrinate them only with Islam, do not blackmail them by saying; our love, support for our children and our definition and approval of their loyalty depends on them choosing to be in Islam.
Even as you tell them that in your opinion being good Muslim get's them in Heaven and being not in a terrible hell. But admit that that is only the opinion in Islam and that that might perhaps not be the (whole) truth.
And then allow them to choose the best they can find among competing "big life choices". May the best or the best suited "big lifechoice" win! people like me are not about denouncing and rejecting big choices, but about COMPARING them and choosing the best (suited).
//"THE ONLY FOR COMPLETE LIBERATION OF WOMEN IS ISLAM,SO MOST OF THEM CONVERTING TO THE RELIGION OF PEACE AFTER THEY DEEP STUDIED THE DIFFERENT RELIGION AROUND THE WORLD"//
Shabeer, this and much of the rest of your posts represent a clear fat challenge to counterjihadists, I think!!! Thanks!
First of all, what choices do humans have concerning religion, set of beliefs, morals, governing system? Let us call a good list of them "Most important human lifechoices-list, in short "Big Life-choices-list".
Do you perhaps think Kuffars are some sort of ABI-thinkers? ABI Anything But Islam? So do you perhaps think that Kuffars choose between Islam or "nothing much worthwhile, some sort of random living?"
I don't know what you think about that, but I think that Islam has great good COMPETITORS when it comes to the "Big life choices list" for all adult humans, if they want to think about it.
feel like he was a good person but Islam or his parents prevented him from really being is true self. I pray everyday for him because I really don't want him to live a miserable life. I truly hope he can find happiness and someday start to see Islam for what it really is. It makes me sad to even say that Islam is a bad religion. I have always been respectful to religions but after doing a lot of research and talking to many Muslim women, I see that everything that is moral in Islam goes against everything that has to do with human rights and psychological principles. A child can not truly grow to be independent if they don't have a mind of their own. What I saw in my ex boyfriend was a lot of fear when it comes to hell. I think he probably did care about me by trying to convince me that Islam is the only salvation because it is the only thing he knows. It is the only thing he was taught to know. Ever since I got deep into my Psychology education I really started to see that Islam can cause a lot of psychological problems. My boyfriend was sexist sometimes and I do not think he saw it and sometimes he was manipulating but I am sure he did not see that either. It was just how he was and he thought he was always right. It makes me sad that he did not want to open his mind. All I asked from him was to open his mind and listen to what I had to say but nothing worked. I always came out losing. I lost myself in him to the point where I started to ignore everything that I have learned in psychology just so that I could be with him. I knew it was wrong being with someone like him but I continued it because I thought I could help him. I feel bad for what I did to myself. Sometimes when you are in love you do crazy things and I did things I never imagined I would do. As I mentioned before, We never had sex, we did fool around but he wanted to wait till marriage and I respected that, we could lose our virginity on our wedding night. I did not care a lot about sex because I loved him as a person. Sex will come eventually when we are married (That was my thought). Being with him and holding his hands was enough for me. I know the body will someday grow old and his hair will fall off but his soul will remain the same. Love is not about all the happy times you have together, it is about all the hardship you had to go through but still remained strong. He was my first love and even though he lied to me and hurt me, my love for him was unconditional.
I think Muslims try too hard to be loyal to their religion that when they start to think the same way as westerners or agree with their arguments, they get scared. They think that by befriending us or agreeing with us is like agreeing to the devil and they feel guilty, as if Allah or another Muslim are watching them. I did noticed that many Muslims are judgmental with everything you do. With the way you dress, the way you eat, the way you walk, or simply your personality. My ex boyfriend tried too hard to achieve perfection but he did not realize that perfection is not possible. Being close minded and living in fear is the saddest life a person could live. Reaching age 100 and still being ignorant and not having a fulfilled life is sad. A person does not learn or gain any knowledge this way. I am still learning new things. There are things you and Sina have said that really have opened my mind. I am 21 and I have much to learn. I am willing to learn new things.
I do feel like he was a good person but Islam or his parents prevented him from really being is true self. I pray everyday for him because I really don't want him to live a miserable life. I truly hope he can find happiness and someday start to see Islam for what it really is. It makes me sad to even say that Islam is a bad religion. I have always been respectful to religions but after doing a lot of research and talking to many Muslim women from my point of view, I see that everything that is moral is Islam goes against everything that has to do with human rights and psychological principles. A child can not truly grow to be independent if they don't have a mind of their own. What I saw in my ex boyfriend was a lot of fear when it comes to hell. I think he probably did care about me by trying to convince me that Islam is the only salvation because it is the only thing he knows. It is the only thing he was taught to know. Ever since I got deep into my Psychology education I really started to see that Islam can cause a lot of psychological problems. My boyfriend was sexist sometimes and I do not think he saw it and sometimes he was manipulating but I am sure he did not see that either. It was just how he was and he thought he was always right. It makes me sad that he did not want to open his mind. All I asked from him was to open his mind and listen to what I had to say but nothing worked. I always came out losing. I lost myself in him to the point where I started to ignore everything that I learned in psychology just so that I could be with him. I knew it was wrong being with someone like him but I continued it because I thought I could help him. I feel bad for what I did to myself. Sometimes when you are in love you do crazy things and I did things I never imagined I would do. As I mentioned before, We never had sex, we did fool around but he wanted to wait till marriage and I respected that, we could lose our virginity on our wedding night. I did not care a lot about sex because I loved him as a person. Sex will come eventually when we are married (That was my thought). Being with him and holding his hands was enough for me. I know the body will someday grow old and his hair will fall off but his soul will remain the same. Love is not about all the happy times you have together, it is about all the hardship you had to go through but still remained strong. He was my first love and even though he lied to me and hurt me, my love for him was unconditional.
Demsci Thank you for sharing this. I can see what you mean. I was always opened minded when it came to culture and religion. It fascinated me. When I met my boyfriend I was fascinated by his culture and religion. Of course I did know about the horrors some Muslims do in the name of Allah. I was young and naive. I am someone who cares more about personality rather than religion. I did not care that my boyfriend was Muslim. He seemed like a great guy and I liked him. He started to talk about his culture and religion and I of course listened. He made it sound so beautiful and since he was a born Muslim I thought everything he said about his religion was true. I would get angry when people accused him of being Muslim because I thought people should not judge based on religion alone. From this experience I did learn a lot from him. I felt like he was more open with me than with his parents but also felt guilty by being with me. I could see that he had a heart but his religion prevented him from growing. Since I started to studying psychology around our second year of our relationship, I started to go against his logic. I thought it was beautiful that he was a good son to his parents. I always loved a family man but he took it a little too far. His career, his dress code, his thoughts were all based on what his parents and friends told him. He was so negative. When he was down, He would bring everyone down with him. I wanted to save him, but I felt like the only way to save him was to break most of his Islamic rules. Till this day I do love him and I know most will say I am an idiot but I am being honest here. I love him but there is just nothing I could do to save him. I was drowning in his depression. He was ALWAYS upset and so sensitive. He could not take criticism from anyone. It would bring his whole day down. I was a person who strongly believed that if you love someone you have to do everything you can to always be there for them even during the tough times. Relationship is not a fairytale, but being there for that person and being patient is love. I loved him so much I was so stubborn. I did not care for my health. All I wanted was to make him happy, even if it hurt me, even if I had to sacrifice myself. Nothing I did changed his mind. He was so sucked into his religion. I started to realize that his religion was the cause of his depression when he told me that Allah will send him to hell if he doesn't agree to his parents. He had such a great fear of hell. Hell was a worst punishment to him than losing me. He told me that the only person he fears is Allah. How can you fear a God who is suppose to love you unconditionally?. For the next 8 months after the breakup I continuously tried so hard to show him that I cared. Even as friends, I wanted to always be there for him. The amount of patience I had for him went beyond my capacity. I never thought I had so much patient in me. At times I felt like my conversations with him was working, he would tell me how wonderful I made him feel and how I was the best family he ever had, but then the next day he would be so damn cold and treat me like crap. It was like he would revert back to being cold with me, as if the conversation we had last night never happened. I did see how much his culture and religion was affecting him and I loved him so much that I could not give up on him. I wanted to find a way to make him think logically without abandoning Islam but that was not possible. Islam affected his entire life. The hardest thing I ever did was leave him. I never thought I had the strength to do that but I felt like I was chasing my tail, I was going nowhere with him. Today April 5th was the day he dumped me and even though I have not spoken to him in months, I still have feelings for him.
For your info Annabella, I did not come to Sina for a remedy. I KNOW I did wrong by trusting my boyfriend and I also mention that this can happen to anyone regardless of religion. I am not crying because I LEARN from this experience. In life you aren't born to be perfect but what makes us better people are learning from our mistakes. A smart person CAN commit stupid things including yourself. I am not perfect either but I sure as hell learn a lot for this experience. I am glad I went through this because it helped me grow. When my heart was freshly broken I did cry and I did blame myself but as time went by I started to see my situation as a positive thing. Thanks god I did not marry this man whether he was Muslims or not, he was not for me and I was not for him. In general WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. I am sure I will continue to make mistakes a long the way, I am still young and have much to learn but you have no right to call anyone stupid.
But I realise that it is also the promises and threats that Islam makes is what induces Muslims to keep being loyal to Islam and in the process so incredibly naive. while at the same time being paranoid about what opponents or independents say.
I was impressed with your argument about the contradiction; him loving you for who and what you were, distinct from Muslim girls, but at the same time him not respecting that which made you that way.
But the Sufi man, incredibly enough, said to ME: hey, I may not believe what you believe, but it DID make you the person that you are now. Implying something good came out of it. He really said that and I complimented him on saying it. And yes, I too am puzzled when Muslims turns out to be very nice people. I ask myself; Is this because or despite of Islam? I don;t know yet.
I disagree. The described Muslim men displayed immoral, mysoginistic, at times criminal behavior. They could be handsome, eloquent and brilliant deceivers. And their victims are misguided by political correct people like you. Who insist that the problem with mysoginistic, Islam-imperialistic thinking is not something Muslims have more than other men. With the conclusion that a specific warning against Muslim men is "islamophobic".
People like you tell victims of toxic relationships with Muslims, when they come to your for advice when they start the relationship nothing specific about Muslims. Afterwards you call them stupid. But people like you are too afraid to be called "Islamophobic" or "racist" to point out the obvious about all that is known about the relationship between men and women in Islam. Which people like you even refuse to study well.
Listen, if you want to respect Muslims and treat them fairly, at least do it by saying; they are different, they have different values and maybe from their perspective their different values are better. They are free to have them among themselves.
And then ask prospective partners of Muslims; what are your values? Are they compatible with those of Muslims? If not, study, study and do not rely on Muslims and Political Correct people only for your information. But also read what counterjihadists have to say about the matter.
But I suspect you just exonerate Islam and Muslims of ALL accusations because you think THAT means you respect them.
I now openly say to my Muslim friends; when it comes to the articles, theories, conclusions of brilliant 21st century-minds it is YOU who is the Kuffar/ unbeliever! and for you Love of Islam and Muslims trumps finding the truth.
You should try to imagine that the ones you love and trust, are also fallible and faulty, as much as their opponents or more.
Hello Moving Forward, I am glad you are here telling your story and perspective. On the relationship between, well, Muslims, and, say, Kuffars/ Unbelievers.
I live in Rotterdam. In this city of 600.000 people there live approx. 100.000 Muslims. And as a civil servant I see them everywhere (I see soooo many headscarves every day) and meet them all the time. And I try to reason with them at times. In the past this was hardly possible, Muslims were so closed, so prejudiced, so illogical, so sensitive, so soon insulted and angry, that every attempt at reasonable dialoque of me with them very soon broke down.
But now I have 2 colleagues with whom I can discuss a little bit, in our lunchbreaks, and after work, when we walk side by side. 1 of them is a Sufi, and he seems to seek knowledge, so he listens as well as talks.
I have "discovered" a lot about how they think and I see that they experience the world and reject a whole lot! For starters, they of course reject evolutionary theory. And being very anti American, anti-Western, they also reject most reports by Western Journalists.
But …. the scientists and journalists, whose theories and writings they reject, are often very bright well educated people. And they come with tons of evidence and logic. But I suppose the Muslims DISTRUST these people, who are strangers to them. As being "prejudiced, Islamophobic" maybe.
But … when we talk a little bit more it becomes apparent what it is that Muslims do believe in, you know; their 7th century holy book, that it came from God, Jinns, that between Adam and Mohammed there were multiple Islamic prophets, with Noah among them, I even heard that they believe that people lived far longer than we now do, up to 300 years. These unproven stories, coming from primitive societies, they do believe, because they were told them by people they love, respect and trust and are loyal to.
My point: They do not even realise how incredible DOUBLE STANDARDS they practice when it comes to believing stories, articles, theories, conclusions or not believing them. How dependent on wrong criteria their beliefs are.
This is absurd! That same story over and over….women get involved in relationships with Muslim men, and then suffer the consequenses, then write to Sina expecting that he has the remedy. The story goes on and on. Listen, stupid women, blame yourselves for your bad choices…you could get involved with a bad man or a criminal who is not a Muslim, (there are many of them available in other religions, for your information) in this case, to whom you are going to turn to? Poor Sina, he has to deal with this all the time. There is a cure for everything except stupidity….it makes anyone who tries to cure it sick !
There can't be any friendship after relationship. It never works and those who pretend it only deceive themselves.
The only "friendship" that is acceptable is between a divorcee couple where children are involved. Even that is not and should not be friendship in the true sense of the word. You just remain amicable for the benefit of the child and when the child does no longer depend on you, each should take his or her path and move on. Remaining friends after ending relationship never works; If you have no children together, just move on. You don't have even to send Christmas cards or birthday congrats to each other.
Makes sense when you put it that way.
muslim men and their even ignorant women live in this state of *COGNITIVE DISSONANCE* all the time. Its a natural trait when you are BORN and BRED in that religion.
Question : What will all Muslims do in paradise ?
Answer : Mating all the time.
Mohammad said to wear burkha because all muslims have sex in their minds. He had made them to be sex maniacs by permitting them to have four wives, sex slaves, etc. He also lured others into his religion by saying that they would get 72 virgins, and young boys for sex in paradise.
they are given the * sweets* first.Also the sensation of *exoticness* is overwhelming. They live in the west – they dont know or are unaware of whats it like to live in a totally Islamic society. And they are not women…haha. Its an illusion they will find out soon or later in life. And you cannot just leave the religion knowing how Muslims react to it yeah. Get real.
/ISLAM PROHIBITED ALL TYPES OS SEXUAL ACTIVITIES:/
Then how your population grew to 1.5 billion
/24: 19. Verily, those who like that (the crime of) illegal sexual intercourse should be propagated among those who believe, they will have a painful torment in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allâh knows and you know not. /
I know only the term SEX and the meaning in its natural dialect ,but do not aware of Illegal sex (since "legal" is used by man made law ,how Allah endorse it). Man too is an animal like any other animal ,nature has provided sex as primary thing for procreation and continuation of the species .If Allah has bestowed this quality in all the species then how can he say again there is a distinction like legal and Illegal Sex isn't this weird Mr Shabeer .
However the Allah has made a natural law for all the species ,the time for entering intercourse .That is ,when the male and female reaches the age of PUBERTY .All the species including sane human beings follow this natural law of God religiously (it is ingrained in their mind by the real god). However if Mohammed was the CHOSEN ONE then ,why the Allah permitted him to have sex with premature child and why he (Allah)IS INDULGED in dividing legal and illegal sex ?and ,why he bent on punishing those who engaged in illegal sex (as per his new definition) .If he is so much concerned about legal and illegal sex ,then let him take back the very desires for sex from the psyche of all the species .The problem will be solved once for all isn't it Mr Shabeer .I don't think your post deserve any reply ,yet i replied why you know ?,because i want to contribute to the efforts of that erudite man Dr Ali Sina. Don't waste your fertile mind in this kind of weirdo thinking.
I have learn a lot from this experience than from anything my life. Even if I am a virgin, Even when I tried learning his religion and culture, changed the way I dressed, stopped eating pork and started to read the Quran and pray, none of that helped me. I was still not Muslim enough for him or his parents. He told me that in Islam men can marry Christianity, Catholic or Jews. Yet, He couldn't be with me because I wasn't born a Muslim. My sin to him was being born a non Muslim. It did not matter how good I was or tried to be. That is where I started to really see him for what he was. It took a lot of him constantly bringing me down to REALLY open my eyes. I was stubborn as hell. I thank God for giving me this experience and I do not take it back because it did help me grow a lot. With any guy, regardless of religion and culture, they SHOULD accept you for who you are if they claim to love you. I use to believe that my ex wanted to change me because he was trying to help me become a better person. I was VERY wrong, I was hurting my self-esteem, I had low values towards myself. A man that loves you would appreciate your difference because it made you into the person you are today. I feel like a person can not love another human being if they are constantly believing that their lifestyle alone is the right way of life. I use to fight with my ex and asked him "Why don't you marry an arabian Muslim girl?" and his reply would be "Because you are the first girl I ever loved and you are better than all the Muslim girls I have met". Then why did he kept trying so hard to make me into those girls if I was so wonderful? lol. Kind of contradicts his argument.
I have something to add. After my ex dumped me, He kept on blaming me for everything that went wrong with his life. Even had the audacity to tell me that if I die during my surgery he will NEVER forgive me and he will live his life in misery thanks to me. I felt awful because it felt like he cared more about his well being than mine. I spend 3 years with this guy and he only cared for himself. I know I am part of the blame, I fell for the wrong guy. I made the mistake to ignore the warnings from family and friends but he can't be an adult and admit that he also did wrong. He started to pray very feverishly after he dumped me also, as if he was asking God to fix all his problems and cleanse him. I felt dirty after the break up, he made me feel dirty. Like he had a relationship with the Devil and not a Girl. Which is what led me to block him and delete all contact I had with him. I felt too awful to even be his friend, even though he wanted us to stay friends. He treated me like crap after the breakup and it was really messing me up psychologically.
/BROTHER U'HAVE ANY MENTAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM,PLZ CONSULT A DOCTOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE…………………..OR U FEEL I AM FAILED IN FRONT OF ISLAM, GO TO U'R BED ROOM,CLOSE THE DOOR ,CRY AS MUCH AS U CAN ………/
"Pot calling the kettle black"
/WHO THE PEOPLE ORDERED VULGAR SEX: /
Stop ranting bring the corresponding SLOKAS to the knowledge of the audience (show the object not the shadow my dear) .
/SAKAT HOW MANY PEDO IN U'R FAMILY?/
Of course we did not allow MOHAMMED to take birth in our family hahaha!!!!
/THESES VULGAR/PEDO /ANIMADO PEOPLE CRITICIZE ISLAM WITH NO EVIDENCE ,HOW DARE/RIGHTS/ R THEY FOR CRITICIZE ISLAM……………………………..THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CRITICIZE ISLAM /
Vedas are in sanskrit and SO please refer the particular SLOKA before giving its English meaning .(stop copy pasting blindly my dear) hahaha!!!.
I know you are totally mad ,you don't have your independent (thinking ) mind ,show your ugly intelligence to the people on all the ISLAMIC sites not droll here .
@Shabeer
For your kind information ,just open the following links.
1) upww.us/vinienco/2012/06/…attempted-rape-4-year-old-niece
2 )www.mommyish.com/2013/02/04/saudi-girl-rape
3 )www.emirates247.com/…rapes-12-year-old-niece…21-1.535537
4)themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/06/08/saudi.
PLZ PROVE WITH EVIDENCE #,the uncle rapes the niece or brother rapes the sister , the son rapes the mother but it will never become a crime (because the term 'Rape' has got no meaning in your cult)………………..
BROTHER U'HAVE ANY MENTAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM,PLZ CONSULT A DOCTOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE…………………..OR U FEEL I AM FAILED IN FRONT OF ISLAM, GO TO U'R BED ROOM,CLOSE THE DOOR ,CRY AS MUCH AS U CAN ………
WHO THE PEOPLE ORDERED VULGAR SEX:
Hinduism Permits Child Rape
Manu 9:94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.
Vishnu Purana III:10 If he marry,he must select a maiden who is of a third his age,one who has not too much hair,but is not without any,one who is not very black or yellow complexioned and who is not from birth a cripple or deformed…”
Mahabharata XLIV (p.18)A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.
Baudhayana:Prasna 4:Adhyaya1
11. Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty”
Sacred Laws of Arya:Gautama 18:21. A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty
22.He who neglects it, commits sin
23.Some (declare, that a girl shall be given in marriage) before she wears clothes.
SAKAT HOW MANY PEDO IN U'R FAMILY?
"All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband.'" – Yajur Veda 23/19.
After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: "O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception'" – Yajur Veda 23/20.
The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu (priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda 23/20.
Then the host, while praying to the horse says:
O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your ***** and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this ***** makes women happy and lively‘."
(Yajur Veda, 23 / 20 – 21)
HOW MANY MEMBERS R SEX WITH HORSE? TELL ME…………..
" to control the Oxygen(prana vayu) you sex with female goat, to get better speaking technical you sex with male goat, to get better future you sex with bull "(shukla yejurveda 21:60)BULL,GOAT,MONEY……………?
LIKE
Father sex with Daughter (adrva veda:navma kandam 10:12)
Brother sex with sister:
" Sister of yemen kamathura welcomes her brother yemen to sex with her "(Rig Veda:mandalam 10:10-12)
THESES VULGAR/PEDO /ANIMADO PEOPLE CRITICIZE ISLAM WITH NO EVIDENCE ,HOW DARE/RIGHTS/ R THEY FOR CRITICIZE ISLAM……………………………..THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CRITICIZE ISLAM
@s@k@t
ISLAM PROHIBITED ALL TYPES OS SEXUAL ACTIVITIES:
24: 19. Verily, those who like that (the crime of) illegal sexual intercourse should be propagated among those who believe, they will have a painful torment in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allâh knows and you know not.
4:16 And the two persons (man and woman) among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, punish them both. And if they repent (promise Allâh that they will never repeat, i.e. commit illegal sexual intercourse and other similar sins) and do righteous good deeds, leave them alone. Surely, Allâh is Ever the One Who accepts repentance, (and He is) Most Merciful.
5:5. ………….not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allâh and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allâh's), Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al¬Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.
17: 32. And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a Fâhishah [i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], and an evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allâh forgives him).
70: 29. And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts) .
30. Except with their wives and the (women slaves and captives) whom their right hands possess, for (then) they are not to be blamed,
31. But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers.
23: 1. Successful indeed are the believers.
3. And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allâh has forbidden).
5. And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
6. Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame;
7. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors;
24: 3. The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islâmic Monotheism).
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 655
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 69 :: Hadith 484
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 798 ,799
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 232
isam prohibited Slave rape prohibited:
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.16.14
Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.2.13
rape-stone death
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4366
Money punishment for rape:
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.16.14
Money punishment for rape:
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.16.14
Illegal/sexual/freedom activities with women prohibited: not punished offense
Muslim :: Book 37 : Hadith 6655 ,6656,6657,6658
Muslim :: Book 36 : Hadith 6607, 6609
Illegal sexual provocation prohibited:
Muslim :: Book 36 : Hadith 6606
Secret illegal watching prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 26,27
Muslim :: Book 25 : Hadith 5366, 5367,5369,5370,
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4407, 12,13
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 802
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 500 , 611,623
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 1,12, 17.
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 655
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 773
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 30
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 148
Yep,the one was more Islamic than the other but equally brutal.
What's so great and spiritual about an old man having intercourse with a 9 year old girl?What's so great about Muhammad killing innocents and plundering their possessions?What's so great about Muhammad enslaving people and trading them?
So great!!! Dr.Ali Sinaa…
Dear Zorin if time permits please watch this  ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0rBiB1SAtE
@All
No one has answered my above Questions.. Okey, I myself solve the all queries one by one
1. Prophet Muhammad was the world most peaceful person ever born.
2. Saudi Arabia is world best nation.
3. Arabian people and their decedent are the world best people. I myself have Arabian origin.
4. Arabian language is world best language
5. Madarsha/s are world best educational institutions.
6. Islam is the world most peaceful religion.
7. Muslim are world most peaceful people.
8. Muslim are world most scientific people who have the scientific thought.
9. Non-belief in Allah and prophet world worst crime/sin as per Islam.
10. Non-believers are world worst creatures as per Islam because they are non-believers in almighty Allah, Quran, Prophet Muhammad.
Why you are posting this silly youtube video of Zakir naik here ,he is repeating the same nonsense again and again .
Zakir himself asking questions and answering himself and a bunch of his supporters watching like idiots !
All setup ,stupid show off to fool the kafirs .Soooooooooooo silly & waste of time .
@ Mr Sina
ROFLMAO!!!
i THINK MOST OF THOSE CONVERT LURED OF MARRYING FOUR WIVES ,INCLUDING 6 YEAR OLD KID TOO,AND ON THE LAST LEG OF THEIR JOURNEY 72 VIRGIN DAMSELS .
Ali,
Please don't ignore this comment of mine. I sent you an email to the email address of '[email protected]'. I sent the email on the 28th of March. It is a longish email. It is loaded with fun facts, accompanied by photographic evidence and contains a large collection of relevant links, which you are going to find very informative. Each and every point I have expatiated upon, in my email is interesting, worth knowing about and reading. The message is under the header of 'FROM INDIA' and it contains a Ms Word document as an attachment, the document being the source of all the mentioned info, pics and links which I have just spoken of. I was DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED when I received no response from you. I was contemplating opening up a twitter account, even though I hate tweeting, just so that I could get your attention at twitter and pass on the same request that I am making here. I am EAGERLY LOOKING FORWARD to your response to my email, Ali! Please open up my email, download the attached document named 'For Ali Sina' and help yourself, attentively, to each and every point I have mentioned. It has taken me quite some time to get into contact with you directly so that I can personally request you to read my email and not ignore it. So, please, Dr. Sina, do read it in full, and priviledge me with a response. There are hundreds of thousands of people out there, who need to contact you and who are indirectly (and some directly) in touch with me. Details pertaining to this and much more, saturate the pages of my email to you. I have begun opening my email account's inbox, from my phone, every two hours or so, expecting to find an email from you, ever since I sent my email on the 28th of March, but my hopes have been dashed every time. I am quite dejected, as a result. It has taken me quite some time to locate your sites on the internet and on Facebook, to read your articles and your views and to compose my email to you.
From everything I have written, you can just gauge, how interested and anxious I am, of getting into a personal communication with you over emails. I created an account here, minutes back, for the sole purpose of fishing out your latest comment, commenting below it thus catching your attention and getting my request across to you.
I am not stating over here, whether I am your detractor, or your supporter, or what my gender, religious affiliation, age and nationality are. Reason being, that I don't want anyone else here, to know anything about me, in any way. I enjoy my privacy. I don't wish any personal detail of mine, to become a topic of discussion. All my details are provided in my email to you.
Yours truly,
~ Pristine Nature.
@Zorin
There is no logic in Islam. People convert because they are deceived. Now you may say what makes you say they are deceived and you are not. I think I have proven that claim in my book and in my numerous articles. If you don’t agree, invite any person in your list of convert and I will show you that they have been misled and are deceived.
Islam is a religion based on fallacies. When people convert they never do so because of the evidence. There is no evidence. Instead they convert because of the same logical fallacy you used in your question. Abu Bakr converted to Islam because Khadijah converted. The conversion of a wealthy woman to Islam whom he respected was enough evidence of the truth of the claim of Muhammad. Then Uthman converted because Abu Bakr converted. He reasoned, in the same way that you reason that if Abu Bakr, a person whom he respected converted to Islam then Islam must be true, and so on and so forth. All Muslims convert because they say others have converted. So the truth of Islam is like the invisible cloak of the emperor. No one can prove that Islam is true. There is absolutely no logical evidence for Islam, yet everyone is convinced that is must be true because how can 1.5 billion people be wrong.
This is logical fallacy upon which Islam is founded. Yes 1.5 billion people can be wrong. All humanity can be wrong. The truth of a religion is not determined by the number of its adherents nor by their faith and zealotry. The truth must stand on its own. Islam has not truth. I am offering $50,000 to anyone who can prove the truth of Islam in an irrefutable and logical way.
Why don’t you invite each and every one of the people you named and ask them to debate with me and shoe to the world that their faith is not based on fallacies but on facts. I can tell you that not even one of them will accept the offer, even when this means saving Islam and winning the prize. I am even bribing then to come and defend Islam. They are not coming because they know their faith is based on lies and fallacies, on emotions and not on facts.
That is the answer to your question and I put my money where my mouth is. Ask these people to come and prove that their faith is logical. If they don’t care about the honor of Islam at least they should care about the prize. It is not bad money for writing a few pages of rebuttal. If they can prove me wrong, they will win the money and will prove to the world that Islam is true.
Now to prove that I am sincere, here I am offering another $50,000 to you if you can convince any of the people you named to debate with me. You and he, both will win $50 k each if he can prove Islam is true. Can it get better than this? Go and try and you will see they are not coming.
Now my turn to ask the question! Why these people are so fearful of me? I don’t eat Muslims for lunch.
I'm still waiting for Ali Sina. Let's see whether he is truthful enough. And as for you ihateislam, i told you earlier that 'I posted the question first to Ali Sina'. Can't you read? So he has the responsibility to answer me FIRST!
Zorin,
I am not interested in your website. If you have anything to say, do so here. You promised to answer me, I am waiting for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amvSJxuHNyk
ihateislam
http://www.islamreligion.com/
ihateislam
Here's my website:   ;http://www.islamreligion.com/
ihateislam
I'll answer you later. I posted the question first to Ali Sina. I want to see whether he is able to answer my question of why those people converted and what compelled them. I want Ali Sina to be truthful!
@shabeer,
Either you didn't read what I wrote or didn't understand what I wrote. Who were being identified: Moslema, from whom: pagan, slaves,and even prostitutes, who are the males in the Ummah: the Muslim men. So? It means that these muslim men were sex starved and used to prey on women from other religions. To keep the Moslema safe from such overtures it was therefore required to distinguish them from others (Kathir says to escape being annoyed). Q 33 dates from the time when Moslems were quite powerful in Arabia.
Zorin,
This is a public forum and anybody can answer any question. I also asked you why all those people left and others are still leaving muhammadanism.
/2) WHY MUSLIM COUNTRY NOT INCLUDED THE MOST RAPING COUNTRY ,BETWEEN 10 OR 20 /
You know in your religion,the term "Rape" has got no sense.In other words you people go for sex against the will of woman ,because it is sanctioned in your holy book .Your house itself is a kind of harem ,the uncle rapes the niece or brother rapes the sister , the son rapes the mother but it will never become a crime (because the term 'Rape' has got no meaning in your cult). So also the term "Pedophilia" has got no meaning,because your holy prophet himself was Pedophile ,so even a father rapes his 6 year old daughter the mother will never complain .The society who's people knew what is meant by "Rape",certainly take precautions by bringing stringent law against the culprit ,for this purpose a woman should not be punished with a "Burkha". Here again the burden of proof is shifted upon the culprit and not on the victim ( like bringing 4 witness to prove rape ) . Your religion see's woman as commodity for sex .Your religion begins with sex and ends with it .Muslims by and large are demoralized people ,therefor they insist woman to cover their body ,because you only see in her "Sex" and nothing else. You must know ,why i took the Bushman and Beach of Spain example in my previous post .Lastly i would say ,you cannot give reply ,because there is no reply in your Islamic kitty bye.
our wish for you Shabeer -if karma exists, may you reborn as a Muslim women and one of the 4 wives of a sex maniac brute – the typical Muslim men.
ihateislam,
i'm waiting for Ali Sina's to answer my question above, of what compelled those people to convert to islam.
Zorin,
It will be interesting to know why somebody like Amir Sjariffuddin, who at one time or the other had served as the Information, Defense and Prime Minister of Indonesia left muhammadanism for Christianity. He preached sermons in the largest Protestant church in what was then Batak Batavia. Others include Bergum Sheikh whose husband was the Interior Minister and later Pakistani ambassador to Japan. She converted without anybody preaching to her and abandoned her privileged status in the society. You may also think of Daniel Ali, an Iraqi Kurdish author, speaker & former muslim author(ulama/mullah) who became a Roman Catholic and started writing on islam. There is Magdi Allam(baptized as Magdi Cristiano Allam) Italy's most famous islamic journalist. Mention too Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad, Egyptian former muslim sheikh. Rotimi Abebari, the first black mayor in Ireland. Ibrahim Abdullahi, American former PLO terrorist, Taysir Abu Saada, Arafat's former driver . The list is endless. Why did they all leave muhammadanism?
Ali Sina,
Give me your reply if you are truthful and if you are indeed a true scholar!
Hey Ali Sina,
One has to wonder what compelled Christian clergies and laity like Yusuf Estes, Idris Tawfiq, Kenneth L. Jenkins, Joshua Evans, Suhail Webb, Sue Watson, Dr Jerald Dirks, Gary Miller and Aminah Assilmi to embrace Islam despite all the bad publicity it's being subjected to in the media?
How about former orthodox Jews like Yousef al Khattab, Melech Yacov, Musa Caplan and Moisha Krivitsky, the Rabbi of Makhachkala synagogue? Or former secular Jews like Richard Leiman, Michael David Shapiro, Josh Hasan, Dr. Moustafa Mould and Michael Wolfe (bestselling author of The Hadj: An American's Pilgrimage to Mecca, and Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith)? Why did they discard their Jewish heritage and become Muslims?
How about former atheists like C.S. Mathos and Dr. Laurence B. Brown? What made them become Muslims if Islam is such a bad religion if you follow the demented claims of those Islamophobes? Try reading their testimonies in the Islam Religion website.
How about former Islamophobes like Arnoud Van Doorn (former leader of the Dutch rightist Freedom Party) and Daniel Streich (former member of the right-wing Swiss People's Party)? What persuaded them to embrace this global faith of 1.5 billion followers if at one time they're attacking it vehemently?
Indeed by their fruits, thou shall know them!
favour of male domination.
The Qur'an teaches that in the preservation of the solid edifice
of the family, both the man and the woman are to play their respective
roles. It is from this foundational basis that the Qur'anic laws
concerning their rights, responsibilities and duties emanate. The
Qur'anic vision with regard to man and woman may be summarised
as follows:
One : Both man and woman originated from the same soul.
They are like the two sides of a coin. Although both are independent,
it is their mutuality which gives each its fullness.
Two : Neither can a woman be like a man nor a man be like a
woman. Each has its very own different, yet, potentially mutual,
existence.
Three : Both man and woman have then rights. However those
rights are to be attained not through violence. It must be through mutual
cooperation.
Four : Both have their respective duties. It is only by virtue of
fulfilling these duties that both the individual and the society can survive.
Five : It is against the very law of nature for a man to undertake
the responsibilities of a woman and for a woman to try to fulfill those
of a man. Each has to perform its own duty.
Six : It should not be at the expense of the other’s rights that
each seeks to fulfill one’s obligations and enjoy one’s own rights.
The rights accorded to woman by the Qur'an may be summarized
as follows :
1. The right to live. (Qur'an 16:59, 81:9).
2. The right to own property :(Qur'an 4:32)
3. The right to inheritance :(Qur'an
4:7)
4. The right to choose a mate :Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3314, 3315
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 99
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 78
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 79
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 98
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 100
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101
5. The right to education and free thought:Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3634
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 255 ,Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 655
6. The right to criticize:Islam provides the woman with the
right to criticize and question. The incident wherein quoting from the
Qur'an a woman once criticizes the Caliph Umar when he prepared to
control the value of Mehr as men were finding it difficult to pay their
due to the constant increase in its value and wherein he corrected
himself saying: “Everybody – even an old woman – knows better than
Umar.’’ (Muslim), is quite well-known.
why this much foolishness from the reality ? brother i proved 2+2=4 ,then no more talk about that like ,muslim hide statics ,western Muslim/converted Muslim r the reason for this,why this foolishness/madness?????????
AGREED ISLAM TRUE RELIGION OF GOD AND ADVICE U'R MOTHER,WIFE,SISTER,DAUGHTER TO WEAR THE HIJAB.,FOR U AND U'R FAMILY BETTER FUTURE…………………….
THANK YOU ALLHA BEING ME/MY FAMILY THE PART OF THIS DESCENT/GOOD MANNERS/KIND RELIGION……………………….
#What kind of foolish logic is that……………..
last post i says
Those who live or work in different fields in society do adopt
certain patterns of dressing in order that they are identified likewise.
As far as women are concerned, it is possible, to a certain extent, to
assess their way of life and character from the very pattern of dress
that they adopt.
Prostitutes dress in such fashion as to enable those in need of
them to identify them. The Devadasis who were attached to temples
had, for purposes of identification, their own way of dressing. It may
also be seen that the Hetaerae of Greece, the Chin kuwan Jen of
China and the Gaishes of Japan – all had their own ways of dressing.
They could all be identified by this code of apparel. Those in need of
them could also be invited thereby.
The ideal woman as envisioned by Islam is modest and pious;
chaste and virtuous – she is never approached by sex starved wolves;
is not advanced upon by any with pleas for sexual gratification. This
must all be discernible from her dressing itself. That prostitutes were
to sit by windows with their breasts uncovered was a prescription in
the legal code of fifteenth century Venice. It was indeed, a prescription
for judging the quality of the available goods for those sex starved
persons who came to satisfy their craving! How strange, indeed, it is
that modern day women should have as their attire those that resemble
the ones used by the prostitutes of yesteryear to attract the possible
users of their bodies. The Qur'an, however, recommends that
believing women and those who sell their bodies must be clearly distinguishable
from each other and that, too, by the clothes that they
wear.
so HAJAB MAKE A DIFFRENCE BETWEEN A PROSTITUTE AND PIOUS RELIGION/IDEAL/MORAL WOMEN ,WHO GIVE BOTH [HER SOUL[LOVE]/PRIVATE PART ] ALONE ONLY TO HER HUSBAND………….ALLHA LOVE THAT IDEAL WOMEN,…………….
In Islam, we are not allowed to tarnish the honor of anyone. One is required to produce four witnesses when making an allegation of adultery against another person; otherwise, one will be guilty of slandering.
A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.
If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female) he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense in Islam, for we are not to tarnish the honor of anyone.
A woman who has been raped cannot be asked to produce witnesses; her claim shall be accepted unless there are tangible grounds to prove otherwise. To insist that she provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes a claim, and the one who denies (the same) can absolve himself or herself by making a solemn oath to the contrary.”
As for a spouse who witnesses his or her partner committing adultery and the other party denies it and they are unable to provide witnesses, they are, if they so desire, to part company by repudiating each other by engaging in what is known as a solemn oath and prayer of curse (li`an). It is described thus in the Qur’an: “And those who accuse their wives, and have no witnesses but themselves, then the testimony of each of them shall be a testimony sworn by God repeated four times, that he is indeed truthful. And the fifth (oath) is that God’s curse be upon him if he is lying. And it shall avert punishment from her that she testify a testimony repeated and sworn by God four times, that he is lying. And a fifth (oath) that the wrath of God be upon her, if he has spoken the truth” (An-Nur: 6-9).
#This is not the proper reply to my post …………
THT IS THE PROPER REPLAY FOR U'R POST
1) QURAN SAYS ALLOWING HIJAB FOR TWO THINGS One: That they may be recognized.
Two: That they be not molested.
2) WHY MUSLIM COUNTRY NOT INCLUDED THE MOST RAPING COUNTRY ,BETWEEN 10 OR 20 ,……………..
THAT IS WEARING HIJAB DECREASE THE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES OF THE PEOPLE,THERE R LOT OF NON MUSLIM SITES,MUSIC,MOVIE,PROMOTING ILLEGAL SEXUAL ACTIVITIES THAT IS THE REASON FOR HIGH SEXUAL CRIME ACTIVITIES……………………….
#40 million years .Both man and woman have begin their journey with their natural dress (naked) …………………
40 B Y'RS AGO PEOPLE R R ORIGINATED FROM THE MONKEY,THEY R LIVING MOST OF THE TIME NAKED ,THAT THE FOOLISH STORY ,THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT ,THAT JUST HISTORIAN IMAGINATION,WE R NOT GOING SOMEONE IMAGINARY WORLD………….THE TRUTH SAYS THE FIRST HUMAN CAN UNDERSTAND/KNOWLEDGE THE NAKEDNESS & THEY TRY TO COVER THEIR PRIVATE PART :
NOBLE QURAN 20:120-121.then Satan whispered to him, saying "O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?" Then they both ate of that tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness and gave him guidance.
( 7:27)O Children of Adam! Let not Satan deceive you, as he got your parents (Adam and Eve) out of Paradise stripping them of their rainments; to show them their private parts. Verily he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the devils (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not."
Adam had hardly finished eating when he felt his heart contract, and he as filled with pain, sadness and shame. The surrounding atmosphere had changed and the internal music had stopped. He discovered that he and his wife were naked, so they both started cutting tree leaves with which to cover themselves.
HIJAB IS THE CUSTOM OF ALL MMAJOR RELIGION:
The earlier prophets, too, had taught the believing women that
they were to cover all parts of their body except for the face and
forehands. The history of the Old Testament also indicates that the
practice of veiling the faces in the presence of male strangers was
very much in vogue amongst the Israeli society right from the earliest
times.(Genesis 24: 62-65). The importance and prevalence of this tradition
can be gauged from the fact that it was generally believed that
to unveil a woman was tantamount to raping her (Songs of Solomon
5:7).
It may also be seen that the tradition of the viel existed even
after the time of Jesus Christ. This has been indicated in the writings
of Paul. He had written thus: “But every woman who prays or prophesies
with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and
the same as if her head were shaved. For if a woman is not covered,
let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or
shaved, let her be covered.For a man indeed ought not to cover his
head, since He is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory
of man.”(Corinthians 11:5-7)
Mohammad said, them to treat all his wives equally, but he himself did not treat his wives as same.
Absolutely true.
Technically, when you marry a second wife or the successive wives, you have to CHEAT on the first wife or wives bfore that right ?? You will have to see, go out, date ,court- get to know the other first- before one proposes to her …. and all this time BEHIND the other wife's back yeah. Muslim men still cant answer my question honestly. The only thing they can come up with is that it is permitted and the Quran sanctioned it. And if the wife is against her husband marrying another, she's sinned as she might be encouraging zina (adultery). I mean wtf??
@ Chuck
Sir ,really you are a gem ,i had never seen such a human with a stoic patience to maintain on all the circumstances and equally to place the THINKING (profound ) upon the table authoritatively .I salute you from the bottom of my heart .long live chuck .
According to stupid Sakir Naik ,Islam was their from time immemorial . I but I did not see the old tribes men did
circumcision or cover up their females with burka or any coverings.No evidence from the history .
I have heard repeatedly similar fabrication of events by sakir Naik to escape the questions from the listeners.
Sahbeer reply to save your guru Sakir Nonsense .
@Demsci
Thanks demsci ,your attention is lot more to me !!!!!!
@MovingFoward
Thanks for your compliment lady ,i did not made any hypothetical claim to refute their (scripture) belief,but tried to show by way of a logical perspective.These Muslims are brain dead zombies ( i am not biased but it is a fact ). You have suffered lot in the hands of such one ,i pray the true almighty to give you strength to rise up again from the ash like phoenix bird ,god bless,cheers 🙂
@Phoenix
Who can be greater spiritual Guru than great prophet Muhammad? No, no one.
Muslim women have been brainwashed into believing that they are lesser beings. The Quran says so. Cant do much when you believe its from God but to go along and agree or else…….That is why in wacko Muslim countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and the likes women are not allowed to get an education. Even when they are highly educated they cant free themselves from this shackle of idiocy and hypocrisy. They will have to reject the entire ideology and turn into apostates as they will be deemed to reject the book. Until that time comes when they are brave and honest enough with themselves, they will remain a CONFUSED bunch! In non-Arab Muslim countries its even worst, they do not understand what they read and will rely on silly Ustazs and Ustazahs to *interpret* the religion for them and these are simple country bumpkins . You know what they say about * a little education*.
very right!!
Shabeer, you keep repeating long since refuted arguments. As if the refutation never happened.
The websites you direct us to, themselves give a disclaimer. They indicate that rape (and murder) statistics are NOT about occurrence alone! But they are also a matter of: – Reporting of victims to police, which in turn results from trust of police by victims. – Reporting by police of occurrences to the statistical bureaus, and of the national statistical bureaus, to the UN-statistical bureaus
This means that high statistics of rape for a country could well really mean that the victims of rape so well trust the police that they report much more than in some other countries (and especially Islamic ones).
and that the police is well monitored and trustworthy in it's reporting to national statistical bureaus who in turn are well monitored and trustworthy in reporting to UN-statistical bureau.
I say; challenge all, and especially Islamic, countries, by asking them if: The police is trusted high or low by victims of rape? If the police is vigilant in reaction to it and victim-friendly and well monitored and so honest in reporting? Or NOT (very much)?
You know, people like you challenge the UN, from whom those mentioned statistics come, to ask such highly necessary questions. And if possible to ask countries for allowing good monitoring of police and intense, independent interviewing of as many women as possible, whether or not they are raped, how often, or if they have full control over their own body all the time. Or some such questions.
I bet you that Western Democratic Countries (European countries, USA, Anglo-countries, Japan, Israel) will then show a much higher score, than Islamic countries, on: Monitoring and honest reporting police of rape, , trust in police by population to report being victim of rape, and women in full control of their bodies, all their lives!!!
Don;t you see that? Do you deny that? My best guess is; you are prejudiced, of a lying nature, and ignore that!!!
//"The recognition was devised by Mo (not Allah) to distinguish the Moslema from the slave girls and the pagan women folk. The Muslim used to prey on them and therefore it was required to avoid any annoyance to the Moslema who isn't supposed to undergo the same ridicule and sexual treatment. "//
Very interesting. This would seem to give WOMEN the choice of being subjugated by Muslim men as Muslima, but as such protected,
and trying to be free (from Islamic rules), but then being exposed to harassment, and worse, by Muslim men.
But this issue is primarily a matter of teachings that allow or forbid men to act in certain ways, and criticism on those teachings, we don;t say that all Muslim actually follow those teachings.
But will "free" women out of logic and necessity also be harassed, and worse, by ALL MEN, because of the (lack of) clothes they wear?! If so, should the (lack of) clothes worn by women be a matter of law and punishable?! Or should the agressive, intruding reaction to it of (some) men be a matter of law and punishable? Of course, most Western Democratic people choose the latter!
Outrageous that Shabeer;s source alluded to the clothing of prostitutes as an argument to dictate women what to wear and what not to wear, don;t you think? As if men by clothing alone distinguished between different kinds of intentions of women. Instead of thinking or asking about it. It is almost as if Muslims see men as primitive apes, if it comes to sex and good behavior towards women. Bah!
(still, if Muslima's want the Islamic dresscode, let them clothe themselves as they like).
Sakat, well said. I agree with you. You put Mohammed and his teaching in a good historical perspective, I like that.
To my knowledge the scientists are now saying that ANCESTORS of humans, like Homo Erectus, recognizable as some kind of humans, came into being millions of years ago, I read 5 million, but also 2 million years.
We as "pure" homo sapiens came into being, as per current theory, perhaps 160.000 years ago. BUT DNA seems to show that, with the exception of the Africans, humans actually mated with Neanderthals and Denisovans (another primitive humanlike being).
Your point is excellent; Why would God ordain some kind of "DECENT" clothing if he also, according to Muslims, easily could have created them with a "DECENT" skin? Oh, Shabeer comes with explanations and reasons, but these seem to come from a fallible, shortsighted, plagiarising, even morally compromised human mind, not from THE DIVINE mind.
@Shabeer
//One: That they may be recognized.
Two: That they be not molested. //
You mean women aren't recognizable if they aren't wearing the Jilbab? What kind of foolish logic is that. The recognition was devised by Mo (not Allah) to distinguish the Moslema from the slave girls and the pagan women folk. The Muslim used to prey on them and therefore it was required to avoid any annoyance to the Moslema who isn't supposed to undergo the same ridicule and sexual treatment.
//plz answer my question why non Muslim country are toppers in crime that related with sex//
Because: 1. Rape of slaves isn't considered an offence.
2. The onus of proving the rape lies on the victim and the Sharia demands 4 witness to prove the rape, something which is generally next to impossible.
3. The shame and stigma that is associated with rape in muslim nations makes it impossible for women to live with dignity or freedom, the like of which is possible in Western nations.
By the way have you heard of Mutah, the legalized prostitution?
They have to prove rape, by bringing four witnesses, and unable to bring, she will be punished for adultery.
To me the most idiotic thing is that they need witnesses in order to report the rape. I forgot how many witnesses a woman needs, I think it was 2 or 4 men(Correct me if I am wrong please). Usually here in USA a doctor or nurse can tell a woman was raped by examining her(No witnesses required).
While dating my ex boyfriend, I have met a few of his female muslim friends. What I have noticed about them is that they blame themselves for every argument they have with their husbands. As long as they "behave" and don't make their husbands angry, they will be treated as princess.I once met a Saudi Arabian woman, She was 10 years older than me and very childlike. Nice woman but at times I felt sad. She kept insisting that women can't possibly be independent because they aren't as smart as men. I found it very hard to swallow that a woman would think so low about her gender. She said it with a smile on her face, as if there was nothing wrong with what she just said. Her personality was very childlike, at times it got annoying but I can understand why she acts the way she is. She was very sheltered as a child. She said to me once,"My husband told me that before we got married if I ever hurt his pride he might slap me, and so I always try my best to make him happy, my husband is such a great teacher and I have learned a lot from him". To them it is morally correct and changing the way they think is extremely hard, they can only change if they want to. As my previous post said, Who do we truly blame? Their parents, their culture or their religion?. The way they think is very contradicting.
@Sakat, You pointed out things I have never thought about. Your post is very insightful.
In Islamic countries – the women do not report the rape or its very hard for them bcos of the shame and guilt more so in this traditional conservative society . Also how do you lodge a report when the Police comprises of hardcore misogynist Muslim men themselves? Heard of honor killing? The women is punished instead. No/little reports – no case – no stats…
@Shabeer
This is not the proper reply to my post sorry!!! .Let me clarify ,it is found that human species exist on this earth since last 40 million years .Both man and woman have begin their journey with their natural dress (naked) .Suppose if Allah is the creator of everything including we human ,then why he did not found it viable to send woman covered with cloth of flesh (have you seen how Rhino's are covered over their body with thick layer of leather ) right at the beginning of creation .Why he waited the human to cover their body by their own smart way ?. And why he felt only then that a woman should cover her body ? and ,why he waited Mohammed to arrive to convey/comply it through him? . Now if he (Allah)desires ,he can create next generation of woman with this wish(his) from the birth itself isn't it .In Spain there are beaches ,where you have to go naked .Every man ,woman ,children go naked on the beach ,even you find some couple engaged in sex openly ,but no one bothered about it . You have come on this world naked and you have to vacate naked ,then what kind of weirdo thinking this Allah had implemented on Muslim women.Look all the Muslim woman i have seen ,who covers her body was suffering from low self esteem and depression.They have become captive in that nest of black cloth.I am very much sorry for the plight of woman in your religion.Lastly as i said earlier ,you don't have the thinking brain (all Muslims are so ,you are not exception ) independent of Islam ,very poor fellow.
The Qur'anic verses which make the Islamic
dress code compulsory provide clear answers to these questions. They
go as follows: “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters and the believing
women that they should cast their outer garments over their
persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be
known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most
Merciful.” (33:59)
The real objective of asking the woman to adopt a decent mode
of dressing becomes quite clear from these verses.
One: That they may be recognized.
Two: That they be not molested.
Those who live or work in different fields in society do adopt
certain patterns of dressing in order that they are identified likewise.
As far as women are concerned, it is possible, to a certain extent, to
assess their way of life and character from the very pattern of dress
that they adopt.
Prostitutes dress in such fashion as to enable those in need of
them to identify them. The Devadasis who were attached to temples
had, for purposes of identification, their own way of dressing. It may
also be seen that the Hetaerae of Greece, the Chin kuwan Jen of
China and the Gaishes of Japan – all had their own ways of dressing.
They could all be identified by this code of apparel. Those in need of
them could also be invited thereby.
The ideal woman as envisioned by Islam is modest and pious;
chaste and virtuous – she is never approached by sex starved wolves;
is not advanced upon by any with pleas for sexual gratification. This
must all be discernible from her dressing itself. That prostitutes were
to sit by windows with their breasts uncovered was a prescription in
the legal code of fifteenth century Venice. It was indeed, a prescription
for judging the quality of the available goods for those sex starved
persons who came to satisfy their craving! How strange, indeed, it is
that modern day women should have as their attire those that resemble
the ones used by the prostitutes of yesteryear to attract the possible
users of their bodies. The Qur'an, however, recommends that
believing women and those who sell their bodies must be clearly distinguishable
from each other and that, too, by the clothes that they
wear.
plz answer my question why non Muslim country are toppers in crime that related with sex?
WORLD MOST LEADING RAPIST COUNTRY:
Rank Countries Amount
#1 Lesotho: 0.844 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand: 0.315
#3 Belgium: 0.299
#4 Iceland: 0.286
#5 Norway: 0.203
#6 Israel: 0.166
#7 Finland: 0.141
#8 Chile: 0.12
#9 Mongolia: 0.118
#10 Ireland: 0.102
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-…
UN Rape Statistics:
RANK COUNTRY AMOUNT
1 United States of America 93883
2 Australia 18237
3 United Kingdom 13272
4 France 10408
5 Germany 8766
6 Russian Federation 8185
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics http://www.yellodyno.com/pdf/Rape_Statistics.pdf
Child sex tourism :
Thailand : 40% of prostitutes are child in Thailand
Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
Cambodia: 1/3 of prostitutes are child
India : 1.2 million child prostitutes
Brazil: 1.2 million child prostitutes
United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes.
China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.
Mexico:16,000 children in Mexico were involved in prostitution
Sri Lanka, there are nearly 40,000 child prostitutes
In the Philippines, there are 60,000 to 100,000 prostituted children
In Nepal approximately 30% of them were found to be children.
in Vietnam, and 20,000 of these are children.
in Ukraine, research has shown that between 30 and 40 percent of prostitutes are between 11 and 18 years
in Russia approximately 20 to 25 percent of Moscow's sex workers are minors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_of_chil… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
Saddam was secular baathist like Assad . Gaddafi was Islamist
The low minded are fond of deception the nature of low-minded people never changes. By chanakya
Very true,,
What do you say slave…??
@ Shabeer
There are bushman in African continent , they give utmost (clearly more than a human of a civilized society could provide ) respect to woman in their society .They do not find necessity of any dictation till this day by any Allah and his messenger ,as how to respect their woman folk (they are very aware of their responsibility towards their women ,since time immemorial ,the practice prevailing till this date)..Their woman walk nakedly ( the dress provided by real "Allah") ,but no one look at them with lustful desires .Why ? Mr. Allah felt it necessary to pass an ordinance (of course through mad Mohammed ),that a woman should cover their body from top to bottom .The Allah wake up only in the sixth century Ad.That too when man came to know how to weave the raw cotton into cloth and was already using it to cover his body ,so ridiculous isn't it Mr Shebir . I know ,you don't have the brain of self thinking .Don't bring your BS here ,we are fade up with your rhetoric's all these day's . Just make logic strong ,instead of useless rantings.
Sometimes they're not all that bad. A high school friend of mine was deeply religious Christian. You know Ned Flanders from the Simpsons? That kind of all goody goody friendly religious sort. Kinda amusing, mostly annoying. But I remember as a good kind hearted sort, and is still a preferable company compared to the mobs shouting Allahu Akbar and burning-looting stuff seemingly angry all the time.
//"I am sure you are part of Zionism which are filling your mouth with money like the Wafa Sultan."//
And we are sure that you are heavily prejudiced in favor of Islam. and you have the incentives of loving your religion, parents, community, and loyalty to them and a wish to avoid antagonizing them. But those are all motives that should not be valid when it comes to choosing a religion. The most important valid reason for choosing a religion seems to me to be that it is TRUE. But perhaps you don;t care about the truth, but we do. The second reason for joining a religion may be because it is beneficial to mankind. And we don't think Islam is. At least no more than the other religions/ lifestyles.
//"Remember one thing, Good and Bad People are everywhere even in Iran and Canada.'// Please think about your own words. They mean that Good people are ALSO found outside Islam. And that the beneficial influence you unthinkingly ascribe to Islam, is also NOT NECESSARILY coming from or dependant on Islam. So if you deny bad influence of Islam, we can deny good influence of Islam. It's supposed good influence is ALSO found everywhere, also outside Islam.
This would mean that Islam is superfluous! Your hobby! the hobby of those who taught you Islam, who you love, who you want to please. So the story stands and Islam stands or the story falls and Islam falls!
they*
Hello 🙂 I am the one who wrote this. Thanks Ali for your wonderful advice. You helped me understand a lot better what was going on inside my ex's head. To Joyful Ex-Muslimah, you are right about never looking back and I say this about any guy who did what my ex did to me. My heart is still healing but I know I am moving into a better future. Time alone has helped me really evaluate and really see what I did not see before while I was with my ex. Most likely I had a low self esteem when I got involved with my ex which made it easier to fall into this trap. At a very young age some of us can be truly naive and I am not afraid to admit that my head was in the clouds. I let my heart think for me, instead of my mind and for that I payed a price. This experience was something I had to go through, Life is not an easy journey. With this mistake, I have learned to really see what I deserved in a man. I will still make mistakes along the way, like any human being but I am more aware of my surroundings. From the bottom of my heart, I really hope my ex can someday see the pain he caused me. Not for my own sake, but for his own, he will keep on hurting other girls if he does not change his ways. The problem is that his pride is very hardcore. He does not like being proved wrong and I do not see a beautiful future ahead of him. I forgive him for the pain he caused me because I can't hold a grudge, staying with hate in my heart will only make me a miserable person. Of course at times I do hate him with a passion but I also know if it wasn't for this experience I would have not grown the way I did. So everyday, I pray for him to really look deep into his culture and religion and to ask himself if everything he was raised to believe is truly moral. For a long time after our breakup I would argue with my thoughts. Was it really his fault? Or was it the way he was raised? are his parents to blame? Or should he be old enough to understand what he did wrong? These are the questions I keep asking myself. Did he truly know he did wrong? or was the "immorality" twisted in his mind to be viewed as moral. His logic was that "My parents raised me with love and care and I should return them the favor by being a good son and man, which is why I have to leave you, to make them happy like them made me happy when I was a child." I always thought to myself, Isn't that a parents' job either way? To provide and to nourish and educate their child without expecting anything in return?. It felt like his parents love was conditional. That for any little reason they will stop loving him and that is very sad.
I would say run and dont look back. Its all blue skies and sunshine when they are wooing you. In Malaysia for instance, Muslim men can marry without asking permission from the first wife. Can you imagine how devastating it is when your husband comes home one day and tells you that he has now a another wife. Most of the time these first wives are housewives taking care of house and kids and has no income. She hasn't much choice but to accept her fate and stick to the marriage. The husbands will also take their lovers ( dont you have to cheat on your wife while courting another?) across to Muslim parts of Southern Thailand where it is so easy to get a a marriage certificate. Although not recognized by the Malaysian court, they will only be subjected to a fine and get a Malaysian marriage certificate once they get back home. And only if they are discovered. Usually is the case when they do not want their other wives to know. To top it all they are also allowed to text message their wives to divorce them!! Muslim men are CLUELESS about fidelity and being honest. They are EGOISTICAL SELFISH bastards!!
I will not even think of having a friend who is religious, regardless of what his/her religion is. Every religious person lacks knowledge, empathy and understanding…..on top of that, is full of hate and grudge
Islam is not a culture. It is a rule bound tyranny.
You know what bad people are all over the world but your religion is what for sure breeds bad people.
Your religion approves inequality among living beings not only that it was made by a hooligan as a propaganda to rule.
My sincere request read your religious books with an open mind and know your religions history.
Hate for Jews,Pigs,Dogs,Music,Art or anything which isn't in accordance in some faggot's view
Open your eyes there is nothing special or worth in the religion you are trying to preserve.
If you want to respect humanity please stop following these propagandist religion and start living rationally in the reality
If you want your content to be read please firstly turn off capslock , blog your content with reference to the article and post your link here in the comments.
Your copy/paste just as unproductive as you.
*Muslims don’t know the meaning of love.
Love each other /present each other / Shake hands each other
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 74 :: Hadith 279
Malik :: Book 47 : Hadith 47.4.16, 47.4.17,47.4.17
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6225
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5193 , 92,
Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5688, 5689
………..you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you: (i. e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) as-salamu alaikum. (Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 96 )
Keep good relation with non Muslim, even they did sin against Muslim:
5:2……… And do not let the hatred of a
people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-haram lead
you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety,
but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
107: 4. So woe unto those performers of Salât (prayers) (hypocrites),
5. Who delay their Salât (prayer) from their stated fixed times,
6. Those who do good deeds only to be seen (of men),
7. And refuse Al-Mâ'ûn (small kindnesses e.g. salt, sugar, water, etc.).
3: 119. Lo! You[muslim] are the ones who love them[non muslim but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book……………
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 593
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 9,10, 11, 12, 20, 54, 55
Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5958,5959
Hey Mr. Sina, you forgot to write the moral of this story? OK i will add that for you.
And the moral of this story is "Haters always hate" I am sure you are part of Zionism which are filling your mouth with money like the Wafa Sultan. And because of people like you, many other people hate good people. Your this blog is doing nothing except spreading hate among Human. Remember one thing, Good and Bad People are everywhere even in Iran and Canada. You proved your wisdom level by this blog
I read stories and it all seems fake to me. Do you have any source to prove these stories?. In the end i just want to say spread love, not hate. Respect Humanity. Hope you like the moral of this story.
Good eye opening one.
Islam – an idiotic religion!
They are constantly in war with each other and with their non-Muslim neighbors. They are all dictatorial to varying degrees and corruption is rampant.//
True,islamic nations are naturally inclined towards war.Unfortuantely,it takes ruthless military dictators like Sadam and Gadaffi to bring some semblance of peace.Once those dictators are removed then Islamic nations can only deteriorate and get run over by competing Islamic groups/parties who are more ruthless than the other.
mr. slaveofprophet . you are slave of prophet . that's why you can't use your brain yourself. There is no wonder that you are thinking like this . already i thought all human have six sense. but from you i have conclusion , lot of millions humans have lost theire six'th sense.
Your muslim mind is unable to see the connection between love and spirituality.They are mutually inclusive.
I thought Ali Sina is a spiritual Guru of this era but he is acting like love Guru who comes in late night hours to solve love affairs of teenagers. I do not expect from Ali Sina to write on such petty things.