Is Islam a Religion?
Rebecca Bynum has released her new book titled Allah is Dead, where she argues why Islam is not a religion. Her concern is that by classifying Islam as a religion and giving it the tax exempt status, we are unwittingly supporting a belief system that aims to destroy us.
Bynum says it is much closer to ideologies such as material determinism, nihilism and even social Darwinism than it is to either Christianity or Judaism. In fact there are many similarities between Islam and Nazism and Marxism. All these three ideologies are totalitarian and believe ends justify the means.
However, what is religion and what is not is a complex question. No two religions are alike. There are some similarities between Judaism and Christianity because they share common roots. However, Hinduism is a lot different. Hinduism is a vast set of philosophies coming from many sages. There is a common thread going through them and that is why we classify them in one group and call them Hinduism. Hinduism is basically the collective philosophies of Indians.
Buddhism is also a philosophy. It is not even theistic. In Buddhism the belief in God is optional. However, we classify Hinduism and Buddhism as religion because they have moral and mystical teachings, which are the domains of religion. They also have rituals which is characteristic of religion.
Then we have Confucianism and Daoism. It is difficult to call these beliefs religion. Daoism has a mystical dimension shared by religions. Confucianism is entirely this worldly. The teachings of Confucius are about ethics and social order. There is no mention of God or revelation in Confucianism.
There are also animistic religions such as shamanism. The belief in these religions is focused on spirits and magical power. They don’t focus on morality and ethics. They focus on personal empowerment.
Islam is influenced by Christianity and Judaism and shares many features with these religions. However, it has a dimension that these two faiths don’t and that is its political dimension. While Jesus was clear that his kingdom is not of this world, Muhammad’s main objective was to conquer the world and dominate it. This goal is so paramount that for its achievement morality and ethics can be sacrificed. Muslims are allowed and even encouraged to break the rules of ethics and fairness in order to make Islam dominant.
The Bahai Faith also proposed a world government supervised by a Universal House of Justice, composed of nine elected men who are deemed to be infallible. In this Orwellian system of government opposition has no place. At the same time morality and ethics among Bahais is of paramount importance. They are even taught it is better to be killed than kill.
As you see religions come in all shapes and forms. Cults are also religion. We call them cult because their members are few and they have little power. Once they become powerful with millions of devotees they graduate as religion. Christianity was deemed to be cult when it was still at its infancy.
What is a religion cannot be well defined. Each person’s definition is different and there can never be a consensus. Should religion be theistic? In that case Buddhism cannot be defined as religion. Should it have one god or can it have many? Should it believe in afterlife?
I believe in Bugs Bunny. I worship his holiness Bugs Bunny dearly. I practice my religion by making a bowl of popcorns and watch his blessed cartoons any time I feel tired or not feel great. He gives me immense joy and I can forget all my problems. Tell me why my religion should not be recognized as a religion. I admit that there are not many practitioners in my church. Some children also believe in Bugs Bunny but unfortunately as they age, they lose their innocence, become distracted by other things and apostatize. Nonetheless I know for a fact that my faith is real. Why I cannot form a tax exempt church consisting of me, myself and my person? Does number matter? How many people should I proselytize so my church is recognized as a legitimate religion? My religion teaches me that animals are also humans. His holiness Bugs Bunny pbuh is a rabbit. I can recruit my cat and all the cats and dogs in my neighbourhood. Who can say no? Is that irrational? Maybe, but that is the beauty of faith. All faiths are irrational. That is why they are called faith.
This question will lead us to a slippery slope. It is better not to get into the discussion whether Islam, or any faith for that matter, is a religion or not. If their followers say it is, then we should accept it as such.
The problem with Islam is not because it is a religion. People can believe in what they want to believe. The problem with Islam is with its political dimension. Islam wants to take over the world through Jihad. Jihad has two wings – deception and terror. Islam has declared a war on Mankind. We must fight it. Islam must be destroyed not because it is a religion but because it aims to subdue us with terror.
Instead of trying to declassify Islam as a religion, something we can never do, we can easily ban its objectives. We can ban the Sharia and we can ban preaching most of the Quran because it incites hate and violence.
Islam is a chameleon system of belief. It is political but it operates as religion. It is religion but it has political goal. It intrudes in personal lives of all living beings, not just its believers. Even dogs and pigs are not spared from its onslaught.
We cannot attack Islam as a religion but we can attack it as a political system that is at odds with our constitution and at war with our system of government.
There is however, one thing that all religions share and that is the Golden Rule. Virtually all religions, no matter how diverse they are, have at their core the belief that one should treat others as one wishes to be treated. This Golden Rule is absent in Islam. In this sense Islam can be compared to KKK, Nazism and other racist supremacist groups. We can ban Islam because of this. If KKK can be banned why can’t Islam be banned?
@ Khan
That is delusional thinking
ISLAM IS TRUE LIKE SUN AND MOON
@Abeid salim,
during comments on previous article you said that you will read Ali's book. But ur comments here showing that you have not started yet.
If you have read it and still u have same love for ur beloved prophet then m sad that there is no liberation for u from the hell of Islam.
You all are shit you all don't allow to talk rubish about any religion. you are on top in countries where gang rape committed, you hindus are the most number one nation having crown of maximum Aids cases.
Correction last sentence: dangerous, destructive and sometimes DEADLY to that and those that we love and agree with.
Bigots are prejudiced and narrow-minded. Not open to the opinions of others. Judging by your post you seem to be a big bigot.
You cannot have read deeply and substantially this site and it's posters and not have come across many presented facts or links to facts. It is absurd, extremely bigoted to say we cannot base our Islam-hatred on ANY FACT. That we depend on ONLY FALSEHOOD.
This is not credible, it shows ignorance and generalization, "painting" all "Islam Haters" with the same brush. You do the same thing Muslims accuse us of by this generalization and easy sweaping judgement.
But at least you did get it right by saying "Islam haters" and not "Muslim-haters". I think parts of Islam stand in opposition to what we here love; the full Democratic system, equal human rights, freedom of speech, the golden rule and such.
And it may well be logical and good to hate something that is dangerous and threathening and is competing with what you love. To hate something bad can be good!
And in the facts that are shown here arguably actually part of Islam is DESTRUCTIVE, DEADLY even sometimes, to humans who believe and love what we believe and love, OUR co-religionists if you will.
Because we believe and show that Islam (at least parts of it) influences (a part of the) Muslims to be dangerous, destructive and sometimes to that and those that we love or agree with.
The sad thing is that you islam haters cannot base your hate of Islam on any fact, so you depend on falsehood. Your posts clearly show that you know nothing about Islam and yet you feel fit to comment on it. All of the right-wing Christians and their polytheist coreligionists always bash Islam using falsehood. That confirms my belief that you are just bigots.
Guess what Ali, the only thing you have is your pathetic condescending tone just like most Muslim commentators since the only contribution to humanity is your male chauvinism.
Your as sick fu*ck Ali, what else could you expect from a practising Muslim.
The only thing dumber is you trying to be smart…
I am surprised riders that, after reading so many replies, that you haven't picked up a better coherent understanding of our English language and learnt how to speak and spell it. You are indeed in need of education and the truth is that you surely have some spare time to devote yourself to acquiring some?
u wretched mad dog i am warning you once please take down this website or something bad will happen to you i will kill you and destroy you.
dont u know Islam is a religion of peace, compassion, forgiveness, love for all mankind and the prophet love everyone and forgive everyone.
To Aminriadh ,again about the questions of BATUL above.
I undersand that you try to get away , because you are ashamed ! But these questions will turn up again and again ! ( There are at least 5.5 BILLION kafirs in this planet, remember 😉 ) Get used to it, Oh "chosen one" 😉
Don't look the other way, don't run for the truth …. THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW, because it has settled in your brain and it keeps on bothering you even if you deny this fiercely !!
AND THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL !!!
To Aminriadh.
TUALAM asked you (and other "chosen ones") some qestions, for example:
"is it ok by any standards for a 50 yr old man to marry a six yr old child?
what other holy man or prophet has done that? "
YOUR REACTION: " tualan – do you really think that you are the first person to ask such questions? Net is full of them – and there are answers aplenty.
So why re-hash these again . . . as if you have invented these questions? "
WELL, 'best of creation' , because you youself should think about these questions again in a honest manner ! This prophet of yours was supposedly send as "the merci to all mankind". To you really think that the defloration of 9 yr old girls is a MERRCY for these poor kids ??
Your INSAM AL KAMIL ( your perfect role model to follow) "the greatest and last prophet" should have known that this practice was and is very evil. I am certain that you know that too if you are honest !
This behaviour of Mohammed alone proves that he was no prophet at all and therefore hat is Islam false.!
ALI(EN) , AMIN-RAT and other "CHOSEN ONES".
ALI,LAM,MEEM … Remember !! 😉 😉 😉
HI,ALI(EN) 😉
Still full of anger and hate because the little movie who told the truth about your fake prophet ??
Yep, it tells the truth according to your own unholy books. CHECK IT YOURSELF ! 😉
Come on , OH "CHOSEN ONE" , get over it !! The truth can not be destroyed, it will always prevail !!
Perhaps it was a good for you to get used a little bit to the truth. ALI SINA says he will a make a movie, which will mention the quranverses and the ahadiths etc.. So everyone can read for him or herself that it is true !
SO I ADVISE YOU TO THINK FOR NOW ON THE QUESTION AT HAND !!
IS ISLAM A RELIGION ?Don't try to get away 😉
MY ANSWER IS: NO ! WHY NOT ?? Because it is a CULT !! IT IS ALL ABOUT YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ! YOU MUST OBEY AND EMULATE THIS EVIL SELFISH EVEN THOUGH HE IS DEAD FOR A LONG TIME !!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA ( sorry it is SOO crazy ) ! 😉
NO ANSWER ,OF COURSE OF THE MUSLIMS. NOT EVEN FROM THE "CHOSEN ONES"
ALI AND AMINRIADH. IT'S A SHAME 😉 😉 😉
NO ANSWER ,OF COURSE OF THE MUSLIMS. NOT EVEN FROM THE "CHOSEN ONES"
ALI AND AMINRIADH. IT'S A SHAME 😉 😉
NO ANSWER ,OF COURSE OF THE MUSLIMS. NOT EVEN FROM THE "CHOSEN ONES"
ALI AND AMINRIADH. IT'S A SHAME 😉
I HAD A QUESTION TOO, WHICH YOU DID NOT ANSWER TO, AMIN-RAT , IT GOES LIKE THIS:
QUESTION: WHY ARE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES AFTER 1400 YEARS FULL OF "CHOSEN ONES" AND "THE BEST OF CREATION" STILL BACKWARD, MOSTLY POOR, INPRODUCTIVE , ILLITTERATE…AND SO ON !!! ????
YOUR ALLMIGHTY ALLAH DID AND DOES NOT TREAT HIS MUSLIM SLAVES VERY WELL !
YOU CAN NOT BLAME THE INFIDELS , BECAUSE YOUR ALLAH WAS AND STILL MUST BE MUCH STRONGER AND SMARTER THEN THESE "KAFIRS".
I'M SURE YOU HAVE A "GOOD" ASWER TO THIS QUESTION….HEY AMINRIADH . YOU ARE THE MUSLIM SCHOLAR HERE !! HUH ? 😉
DON'T TRY TO RUN AMIN-RAT !!
WHAT ANSWER DO YOU …YOU AGAIN GIVE TO THESE QUESTIONS. !
IF YOU HAVE NO GOOD ANSWERS , THEN SHUT UP !!
HERE IS MY REACTION TO TUALAN :
"You will get no answer from the muslims, TUALAN ,ONLY LIES !!!
Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. "
SO I WAS RIGHT ….AGAIN !!
tualan – do you really think that you are the first person to ask such questions? Net is full of them – and there are answers aplenty.
So why re-hash these again . . . as if you have invented these questions?
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i would like any muslim to answer a few questions about their faith and their prophet
is it ok by any standards for a 50 yr old man to marry a six yr old child?
what other holy man or prophet has done that?
is it ok to kill an apostate? what other religion in the world does that?
which man in the world will rape a woman in front of four witnesses? sharia law demands this condition before a woman can charge a man with rape.
i have many other questions but they can wait.
i'll be grateful for any response.
I HAVE AGAIN A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR ALI(EN) AND THE OTHER "CHOSEN ONES".
QUESTION: WHY ARE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES AFTER 1400 YEARS FULL OF "CHOSEN ONES" AND "THE BEST OF CREATION" STILL BACKWARD, MOSTLY POOR, INPRODUCTIVE , ILLITTERATE…AND SO ON !!! ????
YOUR ALLMIGHTY ALLAH DID AND DOES NOT TREAT HIS MUSLIM SLAVES VERY WELL !
YOU CAN NOT BLAME THE INFIDELS , BECAUSE YOUR ALLAH WAS AND STILL MUST BE MUCH STRONGER AND SMARTER THEN THESE "KAFIRS".
ALI(EN) DUDE, YOU MUST START ANSWERING THE SIMPLE QUESTIONS WE GAVE YOU !!
YOU ARE A SCHOLAR, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF) (13 years of studying comparative faith …so,so ). YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK YOUR EVEN MORE ARROGANT "CHOSEN"ONE THE MUSLIM-THEOLOGIAN AMIN-RAT !! HAHAHAHA
WHERE WERE WE (as you like to say 😉 ): OH,YES ,KISSING THE BLACK STONE IDOL (Al-Hajr al-Aswad) !!
SAHIH BUKHARI, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667 (and there are more SAHIH ahadith like this )says:
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:
'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." ( SMART BUT VER EVIL GUY ,THIS UMAR !!! ) .
THIS STONE IS NOT MENTIONNED IN YOUR QURAN ,SO WHY IS IT IN THE KAABA AND WHY DO YOU MUSLIMS KISS IT ??? DO THE BEST YOU CAN,OH CHOSEN ONE ! DON'T RUN THIS TIME !!! SORRY …BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH !! BWHAHAHAHAAAAHAHA !!!!!!
TO THE "CHOSEN" 😉 ONE ,ALI(EN) ,THE GREAT MUSLIM-SCHOLAR.
YOU SEEM EXHAUSTED AND DEPRESSED IN YOUR LAST COMMENT !! COME ON MUSLIM, CHIN UP !!! 😉
I CAN IMAGINE THAT YOU'R DISAPPOINTED ! AFTER 13 YEARS OF "CAPARATIVE FAITH STUDY" ( OH MY!), AND YOU DON'T STILL KNOW THE ANSWER TO SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS. YOU AVOID THESE QUESTION AS IF YOU ARE CIRCUMAMBULATING YOUR PAGAN IDOL THE KAABA WITH THE "FAMOUS" BLACK STONE ..YES A STONE !!! HAHAHAHA !!!
OH…TALKING ABOUT THIS STONE…ALI(EN): "WHY IS THIS PRE-ISLAMIC IDOL IN YOUR PRE-ISLAMIC IDOL-HOUSE (THE KAABA) ? WHY DO YOU KISS THIS IDOL ? WHAT DOES THIS STONE MEAN TO YOU MUSLIMS ??"
ANSWER THIS TIME …OH LEARNED MASTER !! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!
killing people or threatening to kill people whenever somebody isults the prophet, peace be upon him, is not a good way to convince people that islam and the prophet, peace be upon him, are admirable and respectable. it is counter-productive.
i know many muslims who know very little about their religion.
many are surprised that he married a six yr old girl when he was 52 yrs old.
i would advise muslims to find out more about their religion…..read the quran rather than running around killing those who point out the truth about islam.
Part 2
@Ali Wrote – The truth is you guys are the enemies of civilization and are using Islam as the scapegoat, but unfortunately for you, that scapegoat has just evaporated. Why? because the movie is out and fcuk all has happened to Islam, which was Ali Sina's joker card. He was banking on a movie to bring Islam down. Even though we always said delusional was Ali Sina and his followers. And day by day we prove this to be.
@LaMazhab Replied – Lol!!! Thanks for the complements ‘Young Guys’ – what if I am old enough to be your father – once again, a kneejerk reaction from @Ali. Muslims are using western civilized laws to spread Islamic, 7th century ideologies and they would love to replace the very system that gave them the freedom of religion, with their Sharia Law. @Ali – this is not about Ali Sina this is about facts & quotes from Islamic constitution – quran & Islam, which is not a religion. LOL, even when quoting a non-muslims you should not use the 4-letter word for Islam – that is blasphemy & if your friends find out they will behead you ☺ On the serious side – The movie was nobodies joker or trump card and if it was not for you muslims the world would have not know or even cared about the movie; you muslims made it a big deal & popular – there are thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of movies on you tube. Ali Sina is not our prophet (but PBUH for having this website, lol) and he does not have blind followers like Mohammed. The day I will read Ali Sina or anyone else say something non factual, I will be the first one to correct him/her/them. For my correction he/she/they will not even issue the fatwa to behead me for it. All you muslims have proven with your reaction to the movie is that – Islam teaches violence & you also destroyed your own land in doing so. In Pakistan smoke inhalation killed an American flag burner – Allah did not save him, even though he was on Allah’s side. I am not against muslims (even a single muslim, let alone billions), I just don’t se eye to eye with the Islamic teachings and those who follow it and will not tolerate the ones who force me to follow it too.
@Ali Wrote – Has any Muslim ever made a movie, cartoon or article ridiculing any Prophet of God? Never. Has any of the Abrahamic Prophets been abused or ridiculed by Muslims? Never!
@LaMazhab Replied – I am not sure if you muslims have the brains to produce anything but babies – calm down that was just a joke. Why make a ‘movie’ or cartoon when you can do it in real life:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/al-q…
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-30/africa/world_a…
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@Ali Wrote – It is you guys who are the problem and not Muslims. What measuring yardstick do you guys have?
@ LaMazhab Replied – I realize, you have never heard about the yardstick we use, it is called – Facts.
Yes you muslims do not mean to change or threat us in any way:
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@Ali Wrote – I rest my case.
@LaMazhab Replied – You never had a case!
Iqra.
@Ali – It is obvious you have no comments on the quranic quotes I have provided (in spite of your 13 years of quranic research experience). I can provide many such direct quotes (verses) from quran on many subjects & you will not be able to defend. And I know you think (and believe) that one has to be an Islamic scholar to understand quran, just like to be a surgeon you must go to medical school – that argument is not only very weak & but also an insult to your quran & it’s writer. I will leave that for another time – now to your comments.
@Ali Wrote – I did say to you, your wordings and views are word for word Ali Sina's ideological hate mongering. The more you speak, the more your views come out. Do we give a toss about you guys? No. Who is imposing Islam on you and where? Usual red herring tripe from you guys.
@ LaMahzab Replied – Wrong again @Ali – Our words on this website (& elsewhere) are direct from quran & not our translations either. The more we quote the more Islam is exposed. That is exactly what all non-muslims are asking for, please do not give a toss – just leave us alone – do not bring Islam outside your mosques or homes. Islam has ALWAYS imposed itself on others – from the very first war your beloved prophet started till today. Why are all the countries named ‘Islamic Republic of XYZ.” What if I love my country and I am not a muslim. What is wrong with just calling it a republic – because Islam is a way of life, controlling everyone’s lives – The you tube is full of videos claiming we want Sharia law all over the world and that Islam will dominate – this is a facts & not ‘usual red herring tripe’
@Ali Wrote – You guys can express what you like, when you like, but don't hide under the Freedom Of Speech rubbish. Your Guru Ali Sina, and the viewpoints and articles he promotes incite racial and religious hatred, proposes the call to arms against Muslims and advocates Nuclear attacks of the Muslim cities and countries wholesale. You got problems with Muslims burning the flags and effigy's, but have no problem calling for the annihilation of over a billion people. Hypocrites and cowards you are.
@LaMazhab Replied – Islam forbids us to express ourselves and we are not hiding behind freedom of speech just using our rights. Ali Sian is not my Guru I thank him for this website where I can expose Islam, Mohammed and you. I had these views after reading the Quran with translation long before Ali Sina – you have no idea who I am how old I am and when actually I undressed Islam. Not sure where race comes in the picture (result of a knee jerk reaction I suppose). If quoting quran and Hadith is ‘inciting religious hatred’ then yes we are guilty. Do not accuse without supporting evidence, beside I am not here to defend Ali Sina or anyone else on this website. I am here to undress and expose Islam for what it actually is by quoting quran. We have no problems with any muslims living a peaceful life, anywhere, it is only when Islam and Muslims want to forcefully spread their Sharia germs on us especially in the west – we cannot tolerate that. Funny to hear the word hypocrite and coward – All those muslims living in the west today & cling to Islam are hypocrites just like the inventor if Islam – Mohammed. To all the muslims in the west – if you love Islam so deeply go back to your Islamic countries and leave the ‘superior’ western culture alone – When you live in the west, you are directly and/or indirectly supporting Interest Based Economy, no matter how hard you try & how much you read labels on the food products – Roads, Airports, Cars, toys, computers, clothes, you name it….yes even the grocery you buy from your ‘Halal Islamic stores’, has in one way or the other, had to cross paths with an Interest based system – which is haram, you are living a haram life. Only reason you are here in the west is economics but you lie to yourself & others – beware Allah is all knowing!
Part I
@Ali Wrote – How the fcuk are you being forced to follow Mohammed and where? Which sword are you going to dribble on about? Islam has grown from 200 million in 1900 to 1.57 billion in 2009. Which sword and which forced massed conversion did this?
@ LaMazhab Replied – My, oh my, oh my I am really getting under your skin now, lol – what happened to just having fun here on this site @Ali. When you said “… forced to follow Mohammed, where?” – did you mean as in all the Islamic countries or how Muslims are trying very hard in to pass laws to declare blasphemy against the law and embrace Sharia – Just a few examples: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/sep/23/limi…
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/July/Muslim…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/sharia-l…
http://www.news.com.au/national-old/sharia-law-ap…
I told you, you would crack under the pressure Julian.
I'm not even putting 1% effort into your demise yet.
When I turn the heat up, you'll know about it. You best stock up on your medication from now.;)
Is that it Julian?
Nothing else to say?
What's wrong? The rhetoric train run out of steam.
The only time Islam will be defeated, is when you push a camel through the eye of the needle. Until then, keep frothing at the mouth with your rabid outbursts. We have a remedy for this type of behaviour form you. Diazepam, Valium or Lithonate.
😀
The only thing I'm thinking Julian is, what am I going to wear at the Trade Expo?
People like you are toys. Once we are done with your sorts, we throw away, give to charity, break them or put in storage for later use in life when we are bored.
Answer please. What you gonna do next dude?
Difficult for you, I know.
Julian dude. You must stop looking in the mirror and talking to yourself. Not healthy.
You people are enemies to yourselves let alone the rest of mankind. Do us all a favour. Download a movie of yourself, the next time you talk to yourself in the mirror. We want to see the joke in the flesh.
Julian dude…………..stay off the crack mate, stay off the crack.
NO ANSWER …ALI(EN) !!
BUT ISLAM IS CRACKING !! I KNOW YOU FEEL IT !!! I KNOW YOU SEE IT !! THAT"S WHY YOU KEEP COMMING BACK !!
IT IS THE LITTLE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD SAYING: "BECOME HUMAN ALI…BECOME HUMAN. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE OTHERWISE OR NOT AT ALL ARE NOT EVIL . "
YOU HAVE STARTED TO THINK !!
NO ANSWERS ALI(EN) , AGAIN NO ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS, ONLY SILLY DIVERSIONS ! WHAT A CRAZY STORIES !!
YOU ARE A REAL AND TYPICAL MUSLIM !! PATHETIC AND RIDICULOUS !
EVERYBODY READS THIS ALI(EN), YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF !!! 😉
I THINK YOUR COMOPARATIVE FAITH STUDY LASTED EVEN LESS THEN 13 HOURS, THE REST WAS REPEATING QURANVERSES , ENDLESSLY !! BUT SURELY YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED…TO THINK ! TO ASK QUESTIONS ! ALLAH DOES NOT LIKE THAT !!!
I KNOW YOU ARE VERY ANGRY ALI(EN) ….YOU WANT TO KILL ME, DON'T YOU ? A LITTLE WOMAN IS STRONGER THEN A MIGHTY MUSLIM !!
FIGHTING IN THE CAUSE OF YOUR EVIL FAKE GOD !!
IT WAS OVER THE INTERNET, BUT I AM SURE YOUR ALLMIGHTY FAKE GOD DID HEAR YOUR CURSES !! HAHAHA !!
I LIKE IT TO BE CURSED BY YOUR FAKE GOD ( A BLACK STONE !!! 😉 )
YOU MUZZIES, THE BEST PEOPLE, THE CHOSEN ONES HAVE LOST THIS MUHABILA AGAIN !!! O LIKE IT TO SEE YOU CRAWLING LIKE A RAT…NO A WORM !
AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT !!
NOW LISTEN : YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS THE MOST EVIL, LOW-LIFE BASTARD THAT EVER EXISTED !!! DON'T BE OFFENDED !! RATHER DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR EVIL ALLAH !! DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE AND COWARD !!
BLOW YOURSELF UP AMONG SOME POOR PEOPLE ( SHIA , SUNNIE OR INIFIDELS,YOU CAN CHOOSE ) !! LET THE SHOW GO ON !! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
THIS IS WHAT THE BACKWARD AND BRAINWASHED MUZZIE ALI(EN) WROTE TO ME :
Have you conveniently forgotten:
2:161 Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;
BOOOOOOO….JOU MADE ME AFRAID !!!
NOW SERIOUSLY, I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR EVIL BOOK !!
IT IS SUPERSTITIOUS CHILDISH NON-SENSE !! YOU DO JUST
LIKE LITTLE KIDS BELIEVING IN SANTA CLAUS . I CAN SEE THAT YOU BELIEVE THIS BACKWARD CRAP, BUT YOU CAN NOT EVEN IMAGINE THAT I DO NOT ,
, BECAUSE YOU…ARE …BRAINWASHED !
YOUR ARE LOCKED UP IN YOUR OWN BRAIN ! YOU ARE A PRISONER OF MOHAMMED …YOU ARE HIS SLAVE !! YOU WILL EVEN SAY PROUDLY: "I AM
THE SLAVE OF ALLAH". BUT YOU CANNOT PROVE HIS EXISTENCE !! THAT IS DOWN RIGHT STUPID ! I PITY YOU….REALLY !! NO LAUGHING THIS TIME !!!
PEACE ( THE REAL THING, NOT THE ISLAMIC PEACE ) .
You can say what you like Julian. You is already accursed. No need for Muhabila.
Did you take your family with you and go face to face on this cursing expedition? Or was it over the internet behind the luxury of your screen and fake name, whilst tugging one off?
@ ALI(EN).
YOU SAID:
"If anyone like you and your clan abuses the Prophets (such as Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc…), …."
I ONLY ABYUSE YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ! THÁT WAS AN EVIL GUY !
AND YOU MUZZIES ARE FOLLOWING HIM ! THÁTS THE PROBLEM !! THE OTHER CHAPS ARE NOT OF MY BUSINESS , THOUGH JESUS ( NOT ISA !!;-)) SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN A GOOD MAN ! YOU ARE AN EVIL MAN ALI. YOU TRY TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH !! BUT THEN…YOU ARE OF COURSE A MUZZIE !!! HAHAHAHAHA DON'T BE OFFENDED MAN !! YOU ARE THE BEST OF THE WHOLE CREATION !!! WHOHOHOOHAHAHA HOIHIHIHI !!! HOLY CRAP ! YOU'R FUNNY !
@ ALI(EN)
"We are the best of creation and the chosen ones. Don't hate, accept your fate loser. Not my fault you guys are the worst of creation and barrel bottom scrapers. Right at the bottom of the ladder."
YEP, MUSLIM ARE "ÜBERMENSCHEN" ,JUST HITLER'S NAZIS AND YOU WILL BE DEFEATED LIKE THEM !!
I WONDER: WHEN WILL ALL THOSE NOBEL-PRIZEL GO TO THE MUSLIMS, "THE BEST OF CREATIONS ".?? THE "APES " AND "PIGS" DID FAR BETTER !!! HAHAHAHA !!
IT IS OF COURSE YOU WHO IS DONE, YOU STILL CAN'T ANSWER SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS ,AFTER 13YEARS OF COMPARATIVE S FAITH STUDY ( OH,MY ) ! YOU ARE RUNNING AND YOU ARE SCARED TO ANSWER !! HAHAHAHAHAHA
AND YOU ARE VERY VERY ANGRY AS A REAL MUSLIM! HAAHAA!!
NO ANSWER …CHOSEN ONE !!!
I'm just rubbing the salt into your wounds Julian. It's a schitty job, but hey, someone has to do it.
Like I said many a time before, I'll say it again. YOU'RE FINISHED YOU LOSERS!
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It's not my fault the answers are not to your liking Julian.
You are using the special pleading fallacy. You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your stance was shown to be false.
People like you Julian, have a foolish aversion to being wrong. Rather than appreciate the benefits of being able to change one's mind through better understanding, many will invent ways to cling to self made beliefs. And you are a classic example of this.
Additionally, you also utilise the personal incredulity fallacy. Because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true. This fallacy is usually used in place of that understanding.
The problem lies with your understanding and not the answers.
Keep barking and we will keep throwing the ball for you to fetch.
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD BY NOW. THAT WAS THE POINT,.STUPID MUSLIM !! 😉
YOU DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE OF ALI SINA ,DID YOU ?? YOU ARE TOO LAZY ! ! AND TOO BRAINWASHED !!
IF I AM DAMNED BY A FAKE GOD ….WHO CARES? SUPERSTITION IS YOUR KIND OF
SH!T !!
I WAS ONLY FOOLING THE MUSLIMS WITH THEIR 7th CENTURY CRAP !!
FOR THE RECORD: AFTER 13 YEARS OF COMPARATIVE FAITH STUDY, YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT MUBAHILA…DID YOU , SCHOLAR !?? HAHAHAHA
READ ABOUT MUBAHILA MAN !! EDUCATE YOURSELF WITH TRUE STUFF !! HAHAHAHA !!
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i…
Peace Julian Peace. (You know why you getting this, don't you)?
You don't even know your sexuality Julian, despite being a man?
Who you trying to suck up to?
Found yourself a willing victim in LaMazhab have you?
@LaMazhab. I did say to you, your wordings and views are word for word Ali Sina's ideological hate mongering. The more you speak, the more your views come out. Do we give a toss about you guys? No. Who is imposing Islam on you and where? Usual red herring tripe from you guys.
You guys can express what you like, when you like, but don't hide under the Freedom Of Speech rubbish. Your Guru Ali Sina, and the viewpoints and articles he promotes incite racial and religious hatred, proposes the call to arms against Muslims and advocates Nuclear attacks of the Muslim cities and countries wholesale. You got problems with Muslims burning the flags and effigy's, but have no problem calling for the annihilation of over a billion people. Hypocrites and cowards you are.
How the fcuk are you being forced to follow Mohammed and where? Which sword are you going to dribble on about? Islam has grown from 200 million in 1900 to 1.57 billion in 2009. Which sword and which forced massed conversion did this?
The truth is you guys are the enemies of civilization and are using Islam as the scapegoat, but unfortunately for you, that scapegoat has just evaporated. Why? because the movie is out and fcuk all has happened to Islam, which was Ali Sina's joker card. He was banking on a movie to bring Islam down. Even though we always said delusional was Ali Sina and his followers. And day by day we prove this to be.
Has any Muslim ever made a movie, cartoon or article ridiculing any Prophet of God? Never. Has any of the Abrahamic Prophets been abused or ridiculed by Muslims? Never!
It is you guys who are the problem and not Muslims. What measuring yardstick do you guys have?
I rest my case.
TO RIDERS !
IF ISLAM WERE THE TRUTH AND PEACEFUL….WHY WOULD WE FIGHT AGAINST IT ???
WE WANT TO LIVE PEACEFUL TOO !! BUT NOT THE ISLAMIC PEACE ! WITH SLAUGHTER ALL ARIUND THE WORLD …THÁT CAN NOT BE GOOD !!!
WHY SHOUD WE BE SLAVES OF ALLAH ?? WE WANT TO BE FREE !!
SO KEEP YOUR ISLAMIC CRAP TO YOURSELF !!
It is funny thing . . . human brain. A lying, insulting "troll" saying:
"THINK MUSLIMS FOR YOURSELVES MUSLIMS !!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES !! READ !!!"
How f*****g ironic.
This book speaks about the 5 pillars of Islam.
Allah never said something about 5 pillars in the Quran nor anywhere slse !
Praying 5 times a day ? Allah never said 5 times !! …. ETC.ETC. I CAN GO ON AND ON !!!
THE BOOK IS A PACK OF LIES INDEED, WRITTEN BY A BRAINWASHED CRETIN !!
THINK MUSLIMS FOR YOURSELVES MUSLIMS !!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES !! READ !!! IQRAH !!
@ Ali – The muslim-slave .
You are the slave of allah, aren't you Ali(en)?? 😉
You come with the same CRAP again and again. "SOUNDS OF DESPERATION", "IT'S ALL OVER", "YOU ARE DONE", WHILE WE WANT ANSWERS OF SUCH A LEARNED MAN AS YOURSELF!
THE ONLY ONE WHO IS DESPERATE IS YOU ALI(EN).
WE HAVE A ONLY FEW QUESTIONS AND YOU SEE THAT YOUR WHOLE EVIL CULT IS SHATTERED !!!
MAN, YOU MUST BE FEELING FOOLED BY YOUR IMAMS AND MULLAHS !! I WOULD BE ANGRY TOO !! POOR BASTARD ,hahahahaha !!! 😉
You've already got the curse of God, Angels and Mankind combined on you Julian. What more do you want?
Have you conveniently forgotten:
2:161 Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;
How can you damn someone who is already damned?
It get's worse by the day being you.
You have once again come down to personal attacks & never bothered to answer my questions. I don't blame you, because you do not have the understanding & the knowledge of Islam to be able to defend it – this what happens if one blindly follows something, especially a religion.
With respect to Ali Sina – he is an educated, self thinking logical person – though I have never met him personally but I have read his articles and books & I agree with him 100% – His arguments are based on facts & direct quotes from quran (& other islamic material).
Islam tells you to live for the next world where there is free sex for all in paradise – this Mullah is on your side, read/listen and enjoy (I followed the text, the audio sounds like Urdu):
[youtube 7kMbWT2kyag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kMbWT2kyag youtube]
Quran 52:17-28 (read closer to verse 22 – Is this a promise/reward for the gay & homosexual muslims?)
"We shall go on providing them well with fruits and meat, such as they may desire. They shall neither contain idle talk nor impartiality. And there will go round to them YOUNG BOYS, exclusively appointed for THEIR SERVICES, who will be as LOVELY as well-guarded pearls…"
@Ali – At the end of the day it is up to you to choose your faith & way of life – just don't impose them on others and be tolerant of others – you have all the right to disagree with non-mulsims but no right to stop them on how they want to express themselves (via articles, movies, cartoon ….). We are ONLY vocal & against Islam because Islam is forcing us to follow Mohammed's message – and we will not let you.
I told you, you was desperate Julian.
You guys are now clutching at straws for dear life and are running around like headless chickens. The rugs just been pulled from right under your feet and you don't know what to do.
Hook, line and sinker. You're done, and I'm just revelling in humiliating you time and time again.
What was it………….oh yes, the demise of Islam after the movie is produced.
If anyone like you and your clan abuses the Prophets (such as Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc…), then that does not mean the Prophets are harmed due to it. No harm comes to the Prophets in the slightest. You can say what you like, not an iota of difference.
We are the best of creation and the chosen ones. Don't hate, accept your fate loser. Not my fault you guys are the worst of creation and barrel bottom scrapers. Right at the bottom of the ladder.
HI ALI 😉
You studied comparative faiths for over 13 years IN DEPTH , but you still can not answer my simple questions about ALIF,LAM,MEEM and where the aya-numbers come from??
You must be very stupid, i'm sorry to say !!
13 YEARS OF READING AND STUDY AND YOU STILL DON'T SEE HOW EVIL YOUR CULT IS ??? GOOD LORD ( not your evil non-existing ALLAH if course!
HER COMES THE PAINFUL LAUGHING AGAIN…BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
WHEN I SEE YOUR NAME-CALLING, THEN PERHAPS YOU DID LEARN SOMETHING !
ALL THIS LEARNING MADE YOU TO A "PEACEFUL"MUSLIM" ! 😉
I HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT VIOLENT LIKE THE MUSLIMS !!
HEY,YOU , MUSLIM-SLAVE MUSAVIR …
HOW CAN WE INSULT WHO DOES NOT EXIST ( MOHAM IS DEAD, DIDN'T YOU KNOW ?)
AND WHO WAS NEVER A PROPHET !
THE MOHAMMED FROM YOUR EVIL BOOKS WAS A LOOTER, A RAPER, A LIAR, A MURDERER, ETC.
YOU CAN FIND ALL ABOUT THIS HERE: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
EDUCATE YOURSELF…DON'T BELIEVE BLINDLY WHAT YOUR EVIL IMAM SAYS !
READ AND THINK FOR YOURSELF !!!
YOU REALLY MAKE ME LAUGH ALI(EN) the muslim-slave !
YOU CAN'T ANSWER ,HEY ??
I LIKE IT TO SEE CRAWL IN THE DUST !!
YOU SAY:"WE ARE DONE",BUT YOU KEEP COMMING BACK !! WHY ??
WE OURSELVES DON'T THINK THAT IS DONE !! THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING !!!
WE WILL GO ON TILL YOUR EVIL AND BACKWARD CULT IS DESTROYED !
IT IS GOOD WORK ….AND IT IS FUN !!! IT IS FUNNY TO SEE YOU VILE BASTARDS BOILING WITH ANGER AND HATE !! HAHAHAHAHA (please non-existing allah , stop torturing and humiliating us slaves ) 😉
EVERYBODY SEES HOW YOU MAKE FOOLS OF YOURSELVES (hahahahaha)
HELLO, MUSLIM SLAVES !!!! WAKE UP !!! AMI-RAT ??? ALI(EN)????
WE WANT A LOGICAL ANSWER !! YOU MAY OF COURSE ALSO USE SOME NAME-CALLING ! WE DON'T CARE ! BUT THERE MUST ALSO COME AN ANSWER FROM YOU TO THIS QUESTION !!
I QUOTE LaMazhab AGAIN:
"Read Quran 33:37 (Sura Al-Ahzab, verses 37-39)
Then ask who was Zaid? What was the purpose of Allah revealing these verses & what good did these verses do for Islam ( AND HUMANITY )? Why was Allah concerned in this matter so much that he had to reveal these verses 'for Mohammed'?
TO AMIN-RAT , THE MOHAMMADAN SLAVE .( NO NAME CALLING …ONLY THE TRUTH !!)
WHAT IS CALLING SOME PERSON A TROLL ?
WELL IT IS NAME-CALLING FOR SURE !!
THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE:
"Name calling people . . . . the very fact that you resorted to name-calling . . . leads me to believe that you are beyond being a rational human. . . hence you would have the need for name calling . . . "!
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELF…. YOU QUASI-SCHOLAR !!???
IT IS YOU YOURSELF SAYING THIS, …NOT WE !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
To Aminriadh ! 😉
I CAN ASSUME THAT YOU ARE A REAL MUSLIM !!
WITH THIS YOU SAY (at least implicitly ) THAT YOU CLAIM THERE IS ONEGOD ALLAH ! START PLEASE WITH PROVING THAT THERE ÍS A GOD ! 😉
PROVE THIS LOGICALLY ! 😉
YOU ALSO CLAIM (at least implicitly) THAT MOHAMMED WAS A PROPHET !
PROVE IT LOGICALLY ! 😉 START FIRST PROVING THAT HE EXISTED 😉
YOU CLAIM (at least implicitly ) THAT YOU QURAN IS THE LITERAL WORD OF ALLAH, BROUGHT TO US BY THE ANGEL GABRIEL THROUGH MOHAMMED !
PRIVE THIS LOGICALLY ! 😉 AND PROVE THAT THE QURAN IS PRESERVED !
THIS ALL MUST BE VERY EASY FOR YOU,BEING A ISLAMIC SCHOLAR AND HAVING THE TRUTH (as you believe) 😉
I THINK YOU WILL AVOID TO ANSWER , WHICH IS FUNNY, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL USE ALL KINDS IF SILLY EXCUSES IN TRYING TO ESCAPE ! 😉
TO THE MOHAMMEDAN ALI !
NO ANSWER !!!
IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE THE DESPERATE ONE !! 😉
MUBAHILA IS VERY ISLAMIC !
READ THIS MUSLIM SITE (scroll a bit ) http://www.amaana.org/mubahila/panjtanpaak.htm
IT COMES FROM YOUR OWN UNHOLY QURAN,( I am sure you know this very well):
– Quran 3:61 Ayah-e Mubahila :
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the CURSE of Allah on the liars."
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ASHAMED ABOUT YOUR ISLAM .HAHAHAHA!! AND YOU SHOULD BE 😉 ,and remember everybody reads your answers !! HAHAHA !!
YOU ARE RIGHT LaMazhab !!
This brainwashed muslim KNOWS the principle of abrogation very well.
AND ALSO THE PRICIPLE OF TAQIYYA AND KITMAN !!!
But WE and a fastly growing number of people know it TOO !! 😉
HE CAN ONLY GO TO AD HOMINEMS ! AND OTHER LOGICAL FALLACIES. HE HAS LEARNED ABOUT THIS IN HIS MADRASSA. THINKING FOR HIMSELFHOWEVER HE CAN NOT !!
Have a nice and free life.
Julia .
PS. YOU WILL NOT GET A HONEST AND RATIONAL ANSWER OF ALI (the mohammedan), to your Brain-teaser !!
YEAH, ONCE AGAIN !! BUT YOU KEEP COMMING BACK, WITHOUT ANSWERING ANY QUESTION ! ( We were done, remember, that's what you were boasting 😉 ).
SUCH AS THE "ALIF,LAM,MEEM"-QUESTION ! NOT EVEN THE BEST ISLAMIC SCHOLARS KNOW THE ANSWER … YOU HOWEVER DO ! BUT WHERE IS IT ???
|NOBODY SAW YOUR ANSWER ! YOU ARE EMULATING YOU INSANE CAMEL ( AL INSAN AL KAMIL) . YOUR FAKE PROPHET WAS ALSO BEWITCHED AND DILUSIONAL .
PROOF: Sahih Bukhari, volume 4, book 54, and number 490.
Narrated 'Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing.IT SEEMS YOU ARE DILUSIONALTOO. 😉
IF YOU ARE NOT ,THEN GIVE YOUR ANSWER "AGAIN" (?),
ONE (!!!) LOGICAL (!) ANSWER ( with wich all your islamic scholars agree 😉 ).
OH, ER…KEEP YOUR ISLAMIC PEACE TO YOURSELF !
BUT I WISH YOU ALL THE ISLAMIC PEACE THERE IS ,HAHAHAHA !!!
"Aminrat I can prove hinduism is the right religion."
You are troll . . . hence why you swear. . . . for example did name calling me make you feel good?
Is that what Hinduism is about? Name calling people . . . . the very fact that you resorted to name-calling . . . leads me to believe that you are beyond being a rational human. . . hence you would have the need for name calling . . .
and that you could defend Hinduism . . . because . . . when all else will fail you . . . you will start to name call or swear at me . . . as your past behaviour . . . clearly demonstrates.
"I have nothing prove brother . I don't have anything to prove.
don't you know that burden of proof is on the person who make claims. "
Right . . . and when have I made a claim? Do point it out . . .
Desperate are we Julian?
The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy in the flesh. You cherry-pick a data cluster to suit your argument, or find a pattern to fit a presumption. This 'false cause' fallacy is coined after a marksman shooting randomly at barns and then painting bullseye targets around the spot where the most bullet holes appear, making it appear as if he's a really good shot. Clusters naturally appear by chance, but don't necessarily indicate that there is a causal relationship.
Loser, and now desperate to go with it.
Because you guys have nothing left in your arsenal Julian? You have nothing to harper on about any more. Your cult leader Ali Sina had a game plan and that has flopped big time, so all you can do is continue with your usual rhetoric.
Keep repeating like a parrot, whilst we keeping ridiculing you guys.
The website's done, the book's done, the movie's done. What next? Nothing. It's all over dikwad, it's all over. I'm just rubbing the salt in the wound time and time again. And will keep doing it until I get bored. But until then, you're gonna get it.
See ya, cuz I woudn't wanna be ya, loser.
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@Ali the muzzy
The process has begun with a trickle. Just wait for the trickles to get converted into a flood of Muslim apostates.
Those Muslims who were fence sitting have already decided their minds. Others have started thinking loud.
But of course, you will not accept. So carry on with your delusions and fantasies. The 72 virgins are just a bomb's throw away. Just do not forget to strap yourself to the bomb.
Anyway, my respect for you has increased (serious) after I read that you have made studies on comparative religion a lot number of years. So hope you will not mind telling me briefly what part of each religion appealed to you.
@LaMazhab. I am not here to give Dawah or Apologise on behalf of Islam. I am here merely passing time and ridiculing you Islamaphobic hate mongerers. I am throwing custard pies just like one would at the circus or fairground. Nothing on here warrants serious thought or debate and is one man's vendetta, which has just flopped even more last week with the release of the movie. Ali Sina has been doing this Anti Islam rhetoric thing since 1994 and his Joker card was the movie which he wanted to make after his self published book launch. He even went as far as saying Islam will fall within 20 years or so and the movie will be the final catalyst.
The recent movie says exactly what Ali Sina says, and do you see Islam falling? Not in a million years.
Even your comments are word for word Ali Sina's ideological views and hatred of Islam.
You can dress your comments up as much as you like, put in all the spin you want and shout at the top of your voice from the mountain tops. Nothing will affect Islam in the way you wish it to. The ratio of Islam growing and people coming to the Deen out of choice is millions times more than people leaving the faith. It is so bad for you guys that even if one person leaves Islam, he/she is paraded on the media like they have just developed a cure for Cancer!
I personally couldn't give a toss about you leaving Islam. The Quran itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution, based on an interpretation of certain hadiths, to no punishment at all as long as they do not work against the Muslim society or nation.
Rest assured LaMazhab, you leaving Islam, if ever you was a Muslim, which I highly doubt, won't make an iota of difference to Islam. And we both know this.
Anything else you want to say?
Dreaming again are we Raju?
Islam has grown stronger, so much so, that the Governments are apologising for the movie and the Producer has gone into hiding. Not that it makes any difference with him hiding and so, but Islam is here and has not gone the way you and your Guru Ali Sina had envisaged.
I told you from the offset, not in your lifetime, and that comment of mine is being proven true, day by day.
Not in your lifetime. Its all over for you guys.
@LaMazhab. Because the glove doesn't fit your ideology and you did not get the answers you were looking for, you are now changing the goal posts. This is normal practice with Hindus like you on this site. And yes, you are Hindu, just like every other person who comes on here. Are you not aware that we can smell you guys a mile off and this site is oversubscribed by them?
None of my research was biased in any way shape or form. My research had clear aims, my methodology was appropriate to the research, I did not influence the results of the research in any way, it was addressed explicitly and systematically, I had appropriate and sufficient resources in terms of people, time, transport and money and all information gathered was disseminated adequately. It wasn't a case of reading a couple of sentences and then making up my mind.
You are not a proud ex Muslim and never have been. Ali Sina and his cohorts try and pull this ex Muslim stunt on here dime a dozen. You guys can say what you like and so will I. Take it or leave it.
SORRY: "SO TO MORROW IT IS OVER",
MUST OF COURSE BE : "SO THE( superstitious) MUBAHILA IS OVER " !! 😉
TO THE MUSLIM SLAVES !!
ONE VERY GOOD EXAMPLE HOW CRAZY AND BACKWARD ISLAM IS : MUBAHILA !!!
THE ISLAMIC CURSING TOURNAMENT !! VERY FUNNY !
ALI SINA DID SOME TIME AGO ACCEPT THIS BET !!
HE WON OF COURSE ! HIS MUSLIM OPPONENT DIDN'T SHOW NO MORE !!!!
YOU CAN READ MORE ABOUT IT ,HERE :
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i… HAD MY MUBAHILA TOO ! IT IS FROM 22-8-2012 TILL TODAY 23-9-2012 ! SO TO MORROW IT IS OVER !!! THE BACKWARD MUSLIMS LOST AGAIN !!I AM STILL VERY MICH ALIVE , HAHAHAHAHAHA (SORRY MUSLIMS 😉 )
YOU CAN FIND MY POST HERE: http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/….
@ ALI(EN) . YOU TRY ESCAPE ,HEY MOHAMMEDAN !! BUT YOU MUST STILL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS !!
THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU ARE VERY SIMPLE , SO EVEN YOU (AND AMIN-RAT TOO) CAN UNDERSTAND THEM , HAHAHAHAHA !!!
1) WHO WROTE THE AYA-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
2) WHO WROTE THE SURAH-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
IT WAS NOT MOHAMMED (=ALLAH) ,THAT'S FOR SURE !!
SO WHO CORRUPTED YOUR EVIL BOOK ???
STILL THINKING ABOUT IT, ALI??? RAT ???
ALL READERS ARE WAITNG FOR YOUR SCHOLARLY ANSWER !!!!!! BWAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHA !!!! DON'T BE OFFENDED MAN…. TRY TO THINK …FOR ONCE !!!
THERE MUST BE SOME BACKWARD ANSWER ….SOME BACKWARD MUSLIM (biggest insult there is ) MUST HAVE CONCOCTED SOME SILLY EXCUSE ( LIE !! ). SEE YA . BWHAHAHAHAHAHA ( I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL FOR THE" BEST PEOPLE" ON EARTH, TO BE RIDICULED ) 😉
IF WE ARE FINISHED WHY ARE YOU STILL BOTHERING AND KEEPING COME BACK !! …..NOW, ANSWER ,YOU MUSLIM SLAVE !!!!
why is islam constantly in the news..attacks on the prophet (peace be upon him) and on his teachings. muslims should react rationally, rather than run amok, killing themselves and others.
respond with logic…counter criticism with evidence to the contrary to prove that the critics are/were wrong.
killing people will only generate more prejudice and contempt for the religion and the prophet that they love (peace be upon him).
Sometimes the aftershocks are more deadly than the quake!. Now just wait for the aftershocks! More and more educated Muslims have started thinking about the violence that is unleashed by people protesting on the street. The Ishq-e-rasool day in Pakistan – six cinemas were burnt. 20 people got killed. Sane muslims in Pakistan have started questioning. Once this questioning begins, it means the beginning of the end of islam.
@Ali – Your only being dishonest with yourself, because you cannot see that all your research was biased because you were already programmed in your childhood with the believe system that was GIVEN to you by your parents (& culture). That is an honest fact, the only way one will not have a bias towards any faith is if one is NOT exposed to any faith (or exposed equally to ALL) in early life. It is very easy to brain wash a child to ANY faith.
Fact is you could have been a Hindu/Jew/Christian/… if you were born in any of these faiths – you are only Muslim because of you childhood brain washing – you did accept Islam it was given to you, & as child you had no say in it.
Something is wrong, 13 years of research and you don't know what 'LaMazhab' means – you are calling me a hindu – lol This is exactly how you conclude other things and lie to yourself about it. FYI – I am a proud ex Muslim who left Islam after reading quran in english &actually understanding it. The journey of undoing that childhood programing/brain washing is not easy for person with any faith because you actually have be unbiased and have an open thinking mins. Followers of ALL faiths are mind numb robots.
How many times have you read entire or even part of quran with translation and have tried to understand it? Be honest, Allah is ALL knowing and he will know if you lie!!!
You don't even know your a@@ from your face Julian!
How you going to understand something which is way above your pay grade?
How many times you going to ask the same broken record questions and how many times do you want people to answer them? Surely there must be a limit to your stupidity, or is it limitless? Please tell us.
You can barely read, Little Red Riding Hood, let alone the Quran.
We have been instructed on how to deal with people like you:
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
25:63 And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";
28:55 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."
So once again Julian, Peace!
Struggling again are we Julian?
You guys are finished. Your secret weapon and joker card just flopped.
Now you got something to laugh about and not your usual nervous laughter.
Hey ho hey ho hey ho……………..
LOSERS.
Sounds of desperation you are shouting, Raju. Nothing what you say can save you from your nothingness. It's all over for your guys.
You're history. The sooner you accept it, the easier it will get for you.
@ Ali – the stupid muzzy.
I admit Mohammad was a greater genius. Even Nakoula does not have such ingenuity as Mohammad had. Nakoula is just following Mohammad's ways to expose Mohammad.
Mother effer dowry is given to bride groom from from the parents of bride so as to start new family. Unlike you sl@ts where your ammi is given money before marriage is prostitution . when your abba gives talaq she can take the money for the service of prostitution she has rendered all her life. but if your ammi wants to have nikah again with your abba she has to eff some mullah.
in short islamic marriage is prostitution
TO THE MOHAMMEDAN I.D. NOWFAL.
YOU HAVE POSTED SOME VIDEOS OF THE JOKER ZAKIR NAIK ,AND YOU ASKED:
"ali sina, if u born to a single dad then reply to this video ."
WEL ALI SINA HAS DONE THIS ALREADY, SOME TIME AGO!!!
READ IT !!!!! http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli…
TO NOWFAL, THE MOHAMMADAN !
I HAVE TO SAY IT:
I LIKE ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST MUCH MORE !!!!
LOOK YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
TO NOWFAL, THE MOHAMMADAN !
I HAVE TO SAY IT:
I LIKE ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST MUCH MORE !!!!
LOOK YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
TO NOWFAL, THE MOHAMMADAN !
I HAVE TO SAY IT:
I LIKE ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST MUCH MORE !!!!
LOOK YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
HI GUEST .
I HAVE READ THE QURAN SEVERAL TIMES…… UNBIASED !!
I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT: ALIF, LAM, MEEM, QAT,NUN,SAD ETC.ETC. MEAN .
DO YÓU KNOW IT??? IF SO, TELL ME IN A LOGICAL ,RATIONAL AND UNDERSTANDABLE WAY WHAT THESE LETTERS MEAN !!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!! 😉 😉 :_)
THERE ARE COUNTLESS SURAHS THAT ARGUE FOR HATING DISBELIEVERS (KAFIRUUN) TOO !!! WICH WILL THE MUSLIMS CHOOSE ? THE PEACEFUL VERSES ARE ABTOGATED !!THAT WAS THE SOLUTION LF YOUR FAKE PROPHET TO THIS CONTRADICTION !!
THINK …MOHAMMEDAN …THINK!!!!
YOUR PROPHET WAS CLEARLY A LIAR !!!
I KNOW ITHIS IS NOT EASY TO DIGEST FOR YOU, BUT IT IS THE TRUTH !!!!
Ali(en) TRYED TO SAY SOMETHING:
"Anyway, stop trying to change the subject."
READ WHAT THE HEAD IF THIS ARTICLE IS, MUSLIM MORON.
IT READS : " IS ISLAM A RELIGION ".
YOU CAN NOT READ OF COURSE ; YOU ARE FOLLOWING YOU FAKE PROPHET ,THE BACKWARD BEDOUÏN ,MOHAMMED, HE COULD NOT READ EITHER !!!
WHAT A GREAT UNEDUCATED "PROPHET"HE WAS !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAaaaa!!!
YOU HAVE NO LIFE AT ALL , MOHAMMEDAN ( biggest insult possible) !
YOU ARE A SELF APPOINTED SLAVE ….A MUSLIM …A SUBMITTER TO A FAKE GOD !!!
HAHAHAHAHA !!!
DEAR LaMazhab.
VERY GOOD AND LOGICAL REPLY !!!
I AM SURE YOU WILL NOT GET A LOGICAL ANSWER OF THE MUSLIMS !!
I LIKE YOUR QUESTION :
Read Quran 33:37 (Sura Al-Ahzab, verses 37-39)
Then ask who was Zaid? What was the purpose of Allah revealing these verses & what good did these verses do for Islam? Why was Allah concerned in this matter so much that he had to reveal these verses 'for Mohammed'?
PLEASE COME BACK WITH MORE LIKE THIS !!
HAVE A GOOD AND FREE LIFE !!!
@LaMazhab. For the record, not only was I born into the Islam, I also studied comparative Faiths for over 13 years in depth, and still came to the conclusion that Islam is the Truth and the right one for me. Not for you, but for me.
Yes, all the major Faiths I studied including yours, Hinduism.
So you see, it's not blindly following anything. I have used my own judgement and research to come to my conclusion.
Let's see your comprehension skills
Some facts:
ALL Religions are merely faith ( I call it blind faith, keep reading you will see why) & not based on logic or reasoning (funny, EVERYONE thinks her/his faith is based on logic, you too!). You are a muslim by birth not by choice – you had no say in selecting your faith (islam) – in fact you are now a slave to this faith that was programmed in your brain during childhood. You cannot even form thoughts in terms of questioning anything regarding your faith. As a result you now have a bias for this faith & your faith can never be wrong or even questioned, not even by you. This is blind faith.
Scary thought:
If you were born in a Jewish (or Hindu) family you would have bee a Jew (or Hindu) and would have loved Judaism (or Hinduism) just the way you love Islam today. Very few people can cut the chains of faith – it is not easy to undo the childhood programming engraved in your brain. It is not your fault.
Some assumptions that will probably fit you (Be Honest Now!):
You have not read the Quran in your native language so you can understand what it means, what is the message. You don't even know what you are saying in your prayers (assuming you pray!), offered five times a day. I am not even going to talk about Hadith and other historical material/facts out there that will shock you if you read them. Most of what you know was passed on you by your parents, culture and Mullahs.
Now A Challenge For You:
Figure out why there is no 'real' adoption in Islam – A religion that teaches peace & love yet no one can 'truly' have an adopted child – But why? What is so bad about adoption.
Here is your hint:
Read Quran 33:37 (Sura Al-Ahzab, verses 37-39)
Then ask who was Zaid? What was the purpose of Allah revealing these verses & what good did these verses do for Islam? Why was Allah concerned in this matter so much that he had to reveal these verses 'for Mohammed'?
Please Note:
I did not make 'any' personal attack to anyone, just trying to provoke thoughts – The biggest question is are you willing to have an open mind & think by yourself for yourself.
Moslim – just like you miss spelled muslim I think you are trying to say –
islam is a religion of piece .. ….
Keep spinning you have this life.
Ali you seem very articulate & intelligent – were you born as a muslim or did you actually study all religions and then selected the best one?
Oh wait, it is just faith I am talking about, no research or questioning is needed – never mind, my mistake.
musavir – when are you (muslims) going to pay for destroying Ancient Buddha Statute in Bamiyan, Afghanistan?
It may just an idol for you muslims, but for the Buddhist it is their Kaaba – want to feel their pain – imagine someone destroys your kaaba – just the thought & this message is getting you worked up, I am sure.
How did Buddhist react to this barbaric & uncalled for act – there were no riots, no killings or threats – now that is true religion of peace – learn something from the idol worshipers.
Yes, I agree Muslims are psychotics and haters!!
all responsible govts should appoint an international commission to study the prophet mohd(peace be upon him) and islam. from what i know it sounds like a dangerous cult and a threat to world peace. if confirmed so, then it should be banned like communism was in its heyday.
too many muslims know nothing or very little of their religion, like the public in general.
this commission will serve to tell the truth about a religion/cult that has 1.5 billion followers.
alisina.org is a good place to start.
WOW !!! After a due rest websites are open for case studies of psychotic haters !
SURAH 5:33 SAYS:
"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment"
CRUCIFIED …HANDS AND FEET BE CUT OFF FROM OPPOSITE SIDES !!!!
I CALL THIS BRUTAL AND MERCILESS !!! AND YOU ….LIVINGSUNNAH !!!?????
Hey readers, think about this!
Julian is trying to speak!
Anyway, stop trying to change the subject. The movie is a flop (like your dik). Now what you gonna do? Your secret weapon has just failed.
Islam is still here and growing.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………………..what a shame. I understand Julian, you must feel like schit right now! You got nothing left.
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TO LIVINGSUNNAH .
YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR OWN CULT !
READ SAHIH BUKHARI 1.4.234 .
Here is a short quote:
"The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them."
I CALL THIS BRUTAL MERCILESS KILLINGS !!! AND YOU ???
But Islam is meant to be finished with this movie Raju? Wasn't this you guys secret weapon after the book launch. THE MOVIE.
Has it finished Islam or has it shot itself in the foot, just like what you Islamaphobes have been doing for centuries and still coming back for more.
Only someone like you can call Nakoula a genius. A convicted fraudster and a former meth maker , but a genius to you.
And you have the nerve to try and debate on this site?
What have you guys got left now Raju? Nothing. It's all over.
See Ya.
NO YOU MUSLIM LIAR (LIVINGSUNNAH) !!
THE JIZIYA MUST BE PAYED BY THE DIMMIES WHILE FEELING THEMSELVES SUBDUED !!! ( Surah 9: 29).
YOU ARE AN EVIL MOHAMMEDAN !!
READERS ,PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS !
THE BACKWARD MORONS, THE MOHAMMADANS, ON THE FOTO ( AT THE BEGUINNING ABOVE THE ARTICLE ) ARE BOWING DOWN TO A BLACK STONE !
The movie maker Sam Bacile or Nakoula is a genius. The script writer and the director is even more ingenious.
With a shoestring cost – his message conveyed through just a 13 minute trailer is deadly. More deadly will be the complete movie.
The way, the whole movie was made – the secrecy – is just brilliant!
Master George – later on dubbed as Mohammad. Even the actors were fooled into playing their part. He used the same movie – with a script and a super script. The super script was dubbed/plastered on the innocent script.
Have to say, he got the muzzies enraged throughout the world! A dynamite indeed – the film!
The Muzzy idiots played to his script. They reacted just in the manner he had expected. Each and every cent he invested in the movie – was a worth investment
What movie from Ali Sina?
Someone just beat him to it.
Your maa is halaal for everyone. Can I have a turn next on her? I promise to give dowry of 1 rupee for a months worth of bashment.
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And you're one of them meet!
I know, life sucks for you.
What you going to do now Ali Sina, considering someone pipped you to the post with the movie?
Not looking good for you, is it?
@denialisnoproof. Hinduism is the right religion? That's like saying Elvis Presley is still alive and is the current American President!
You're so stupid denialisnoproof, you think menopause is a button on the DVD Player.
Go figure.
Aminrat I can prove hinduism is the right religion.
I know I am wasting my time because you (musavir) before even reading this entire reply, you will stop after the first (if I am lucky, few sentences) & send me a yet another threat. But Iqra!
If you muslims want the rest of the world to respect you, then you MUST first learn that 1) respect is is a two-way street – tolerate and respect others & you will see that others will tolerate & respect you – 2) respect is earned by example & not by force (force is the way you are taught). It is almost like love, you will never get 'true' love by force!!!
However, it is not entirely your fault to jump on others in the name of religion & be ready to kill in the name of Allah – because this is Islamic teachings, taught in Quran (which you never bother to read in language you understand). Please spend time & search this website for thousands of direct quotes from quran on subject of violence (plus look in the mirror, you are a living example of these violent teachings). Before Please you quote me any peaceful verses of quran that was revealed in Mecca – look at what happened to the message of peace (revealed in Mecca) when 'your prophet' forced the religion with wars and gained power in Madina – there is a clear difference in tone of verses from Mecca to Madina. Iqra!
Finally, if Allah the all-mighty) wants those who insult Islam, prophet … then why does he need your assistance? We both know with his powers, he can do much better job & really does not need your help. From you tone and anger, I guarantee you were born in a mulsim family, never read the 'entire' quran in a language you understand – as a result you have become brain washed and now not only you cannot question anything about Islam, you can't even tolerate others talking about it.
Question Everything & Everyone 🙂
I have nothing prove brother . I don't have anything to prove.
don't you know that burden of proof is on the person who make claims.
hahaha there are people who say that the whole of muslim community , the second largest religion in the world have zero contribution to science in the world and this guys says science is0.1 of quran . The only refrences to quran that some scientist claim helped them n science have been found to be funded by the saudis … some people will stay dilluded for life.
Your intelligence . . . as per usual . . . leaves a lot to be desired.
" You debunking all things he said wow. "
After making the above statement . . . this:
"can you please explain me logically what you are trying to prove "
shows your comprehension problems. Why bother to reply for the sake of it. It makes you look even more of an idiot.
You debunking all things he said wow.
can you please explain me logically what you are trying to prove
It is slightly obvious you were never a Muslim. People like you leave such comments . . . "Islam doesn't have any element of a religion"
What does that even mean? This is just one of the lines going these days . . .and you have picked it up and are parroting it. Any thing else to justify it? Or just what you acquired from such hate-mongering sites?
Islam doesn't have any element of a religion. I was born muslim but it was not my choice. I now quitted it because it is not a religion anyway. Islam is a philosophy that came out from bad place and sick people. People who believe that if he killed non muslim people, he will go to heaven and have the eternal life.
Eternal life where all kind of sex is allowable. 40 women on his right and 40 boys on his left. A philosophy that bases on sex, for sure the sick people love it.
Your assessment is right. It applicable to Mo.
Thanks dear, Now a days there is a propaganda being spread by Muslims that Buddhism in India was destroyed by Hindus. I tried to counter but you know Muslims never engage in fare discussion. As a learned student could you pl take up this issue and help spreading the truth?
The author of the book knows very little about islam
. this book is for people who do not understand religion and wgo it all began.
The authour must think people are stupid
ISLAM=Stupid, Lazy, Rubbish, Problem, Lie, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Pedophilia, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist
Well i don`t see how this "3rd party" would be neutral, bin laden is either your enemy or not, or his lose is either good to you or bad to you. Unless this 3rd party is superior to both US and laden and can`t be touched by either of them, in which case why would they have any interest at all? It would be like humans taking sides in a fight between different packs of wolves.
I was doing a little more thinking on this today when it occurred me that the reason we are seeing a weakness in the Golden Rule on this point is because we are evaluating it in a one-on-one situation. If we step back from the personal perspective and see it as a 3rd party mediating between two antagonists, we see that in the case of something like bin Laden versus innocent civilian victims that we have to be able to make a judgement to apply the Golden Rule by realizing that if we were in the shoes of the innocents, we would want to be protected from the terrorists, and that if we were in the shoes of the terrorists we would want to kill the innocents. Thus as righteous judges we need to make a decision that we apply the Golden Rule wishes of the good guys against the Golden Rule wishes of the bad guys, and hence we go to war to protect the innocent and kill the aggressors.
Exactly. If Islam was peaceful and tolerant, everyone would be in love with the little cutie-pies with their quaint little 7th Century beliefs.
"Islam wants to be dominate only to make people be muslims thus go to heaven"
You assume the only way to heaven is as a Muslim. That right there shows intolerance towards others religious beliefs. They (as I believe it, the one Entity who all religous people of all beliefs pray to) are not likely going to allow one group of people to ascend to the heavens while stopping another group from doing so, just because one group says they are the only ones who will be allowed in. It is far more likely that those who live their life and follow whatever beliefs they have peacefully, while allowing EVERYONE else to live and follow theirs, will be the ones who ascend.
Oh, we're not arguing. We just like to discuss and explore things.
Bill Warner defines the political component as that part of Islam that concerns non-Muslims saying that we don't care what kinds of personal things Muslims have to do to get to heaven. They step over the bounds of propriety when they presume what they have to do about us, which is what he calls Political Islam. He discusses this a bit in his short study, Statistical Islam, which analyses the political content of Islam among other things:
Statistical Islam
http://www.cspipublishing.com/statistical/pdf/Sta…
"I'm not seeing the link here." What is the difference between adultary and multiple wives? Multiple wives are also consenting adults, also what is the difference between the actions of the adultarer and the pedophile the cheating husband or wife can cause extreme emotional damage to their partner as well as their children just like the pedophile can, so tell me why adultary and prostitution fine and pedophille and polygamy not, especial sinse you seem to believe in a "liberal lifestyle" and "free sex"?
"You cannot possibly be justified in killing someone for being or doing those four things." Why not? The adultarer and the people that spread filth like prostitution and homosexuality also can cause tremendous harm to people just like pedophile`s and polgamists.
"Live your life in peace" Again what is "peace"? Or "harm" that is a subjective thing as one man`s pain can be another man`s pleasure.
"What you seem to be missing here is that it's not a one way rule. In order for it to work they should allow others to do the same." So the "Golden rule" the rule that is proclaimed to be the source of all "universal justice" and "absolute morality" is limited in this matter?
"This is why I say if Islam cannot allow itself to accept others as they are without forcing its rules upon them," But you are not accepting islam and muslims and proclaming your morality (or your "lifestyle" as superior and you are also seem to be saying it would to fine to muslims to have multiple wives, rape children and "honour kill" their daughters just so long as this was not imposed on the non-muslims.
"You want, as part of the GR, to allow people to follow Islam, even though it seems Islam does not adhere to the principles of the GR." No thats not my point at all my point is so called Golden rule is a nonsense rule, this is just one such example how do you treat people (in this case muslims) who do not believe in it? You either have to break it or be at the mercy of those that don`t follow it which is obviouly a very stupid thing to do.
"I would like to see people adhere to the GR regardless of their beliefs, lifestyles or any other determining factor." It does not matter what you would "like to see" the reality is not everyone follows it.
"by segregating Islam from the rest of the world we would be allowing all concerned to adhere to the GR?" No because islam does not believe in the "golden rule" and will break any "deal" any time it gets strong enough. We should subjue them and impose our law on them that is the only way to secure any "deal".
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me we're arguing with one another while supporting the same or similar views. E25, you are against Islam? John K, you are against it too? I am because it does not seem to tolerate the views or beliefs of others. If so, what exactly are we arguing for?
The problem is with that is that is how we understood "religion" i.e a personal belief that doesn`t control the state and which the laws of the land are not based on. Islam however is something else, it wants to control not just the people that believe in it, but all the unbelievers as well.
I think I may have gotten your point. You want, as part of the GR, to allow people to follow Islam, even though it seems Islam does not adhere to the principles of the GR. I would like to see people adhere to the GR regardless of their beliefs, lifestyles or any other determining factor.
Would you agree that, assuming Islam cannot ultimately peacefully co-exist with other beliefs, by segregating Islam from the rest of the world we would be allowing all concerned to adhere to the GR?
"Who's to say that deep down inside I or bin Laden do not want to be killed if we are living so horribly evil?" This is another problem of the golden rule, what is good for one man is bad for another. Bin laden for instance was a death lover as reflected in his statement (or was it the other taliban guy, anyway) "we love death where you love life", what he is telling us their is, "come and kill me i want to die" in which case it was good (or i suppose from some point of view it was bad) to kill that sick beast by giving him what he wanted.
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What you seem to be missing here is that it's not a one way rule. In order for it to work they should allow others to do the same. You're implying that my oppostion to Islam's killing people for the above mentioned "crimes" is not to follow the Golden Rule, but consider that the GR needs the freedom to live peacefully to be returned. So, if Islam demands death for the four above mentioned things, it is not letting others live in peace, is it? This is why I say if Islam cannot allow itself to accept others as they are without forcing its rules upon them, then it should be isolated to its own countries so as to allow the rest of the world the freedom to live their lives the way they want.
I'm not sure where you're going with this E25. You're associating people who are gay, those who choose their own belief instead of it being forced upon them, people who exercise the right to speak their mind, and sex between consenting adults (granted, one or both are lying to their partners) with the actions of a child abuser and a person with multiple wives? I'm not seeing the link here.
I do say no to these things. You cannot possibly be justified in killing someone for being or doing those four things. As I said before, to live by the Golden Rule you must do both things:
Live your life in peace (peace being doing no harm onto another), AND
Let others do the same
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General MacArthur had the better approach in post-WWII Japan. Shinto was a violent religion and it was inacceptable to have it continue. But since nobody can legislate belief, his Shinto Directive allowed Shintoism for personal, home, private religious devotion, but outlawed all of its public manifestations such as politics and education.
Who's to say that deep down inside I or bin Laden do not want to be killed if we are living so horribly evil?
Besides, bin Laden was probably impatient to get to his virgins.
"That way, those who wish to follow Islam would have the freedom to do so, and those who do not would have the same rights." But why should we tolerate the practice of this filth anywhere? Should we not crush the islamic countries and impose our law – especially if we believe our law is better? Also why do you think the muslims would just leave us alone? As far as they are concerned the whole earth belongs to Allah and they will fight in anyway they can to make it that way.
"If they were living by the Golden Rule, they would be able to accept the lifestyles (including their religions) of others and allow them to live that way while at the same time living their life the way they want." So should we allow Muslims to kill apostates, blasphemers, adulterers, homosexuals and tolerate their practices of paedophile and polygamy? If you say no then you’re not accepting their "lifestyle" in which case why should they accept ours? And if you say yes isn’t that madness, should we not hate our enemies and seek to destroy them? Would you not lose your "right" to your "lifestyle"?
First of all, what is "peace"? Is the government taxing of people allowing people "to live in peace"? Or if was not done could society continue to exist? Do the police leave the drug and arms dealers "in peace"? Or Prostitutes? But if they left those people "in peace" would their not be chaos, destruction of people’s lives through drug use? Sex seen just as pleasure and women available on demand and the destruction of the family? Does the landlord leave their tenants "in peace" or do they make them pay and if not kick them out?
Ok, so where is the equlibrium, where is the treatment of one the same as the other, when there are calls to have Sharia law implemented in a Non-Islamic country while not allowing the freedom of religious (or any other) expression in Islamic countries? If it comes to pass, that Islam is so diametrically opposed to anything that is not Islam that it cannot be properly adhered to unless it is the only form of worship, the only form of law, the only form of lifestyle, then in order to have all of us adhere to the Golden Rule, one might suggest that Islam should remain solely within Islamic countries and not be practiced anywhere else. That way, those who wish to follow Islam would have the freedom to do so, and those who do not would have the same rights.
Well, no, I disagree. The intent of the Golden Rule is not to subject yourself to adverse conditions upon your own life in order to allow others to live their lives in peace. By doing so you are not living your life in peace and at the same time those you are oppressing yourself to appease are not living by the Golden Rule either.
If they were living by the Golden Rule, they would be able to accept the lifestyles (including their religions) of others and allow them to live that way while at the same time living their life the way they want. Please show me where in the Islamic religion tolerance of other beliefs is endorsed as well as practiced.
"If we allow Islam to exist in our countries, why cannot Islam countries do the same for other religions?" The problem with this is, islam is not just a religion it is a complete political system if you critise islam you are hurting them (also is this site doing unto muslims as you would have them do unto you by criticising their religion?) and is a crime punisable by death in islam, if you ban polygamy you are oppresing them, if adulterers are not stoned you are oppresing them, if the hand of the thief is not cut that is oppresion, if preaching other religions is not banned that is oppresing them and so on. So as far as they are concerned islam (or more precisely islaic law) does not exist in western countries, just like we could say "secular law" does not exist in islamic countries.
"So by not oppressing them by allowing all to be ruled under Sharia, I am oppressing myself. You see the flaw in that particular argument?" But according to "Golden rule logic" it is immoral to oppress others and you should rather be killed than kill, rather be oppressed than be a oppressor. This is not a flaw in my arugment but rather a flaw of the "golden rule" because you do not want to do unto Osama bin laden (for one example) as you would have him do unto you.
I intend to leave Muslims and every other human on the planet to live their lives in peace. I have no intention of being an agressor towards anyone, but I expect to be given the same freedom that I give to others. I am opposed to having Sharia law implemented in any way because it does not allow for the Golden Rule to exist. I cannot live under Sharia law and still believe what I believe, do what I want to do, and more importantly, not do what I do not want to do. To implement Sharia as the "law of the land" is to make all people of that land subject to it. So by not oppressing them by allowing all to be ruled under Sharia, I am oppressing myself. You see the flaw in that particular argument?
Proof of this can be seen whenever minorites of other faiths in Islamic countries are attacked. If we allow Islam to exist in our countries, why cannot Islam countries do the same for other religions?
… You do not have to believe in any faith, and still believe in God. Simply know in your heart that They exist within you, in everything you do and in everything around you. So to honour God, if you feel you must, live a life of peace and let others do the same. Let your everyday actions be your "prayers", your own unique prayers, because the only true prayers anyone can peform are the ones that apply to you and you alone. These are the only ones They will listen to anyway, since they are the only ones that are true to yourself, not to what someone else says you must do.
"And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not." (9:6)
"along with dat u can answer me one more thing.. if you really are against the relegion Islam so much den wt do u think we shud follow ani reccomends from ur side … ? i hope you wont repli me to be an atheist as its illogical… 😛 "
Why must you insist that you or anyone else follow something? To be truly free, to truly live your life in peace and let others do the same, why must you subject yourself to absurd rules told to you by another human being, either in the here and now or those that were written down or passed on from millenia ago? All of us on this planet will never be truly free to live all our lives until we stop limiting our potential in this way. …
"I will simply ask this: show me a religion that states the Golden Rule ("Live your life in peace and let others do the same" Is that a moral objective statement? One man`s peace is another man`s war, for instance according to the muslims not allowing the muslims to implement the sharia as the law of the land is oppressing them, so if you believe in that statement why not leave the muslims in "peace"?
I won't even bother to argue for or against one religion against another, as a pandeist I don't think any religion has proven themselves to me to be worthy of man's attention. I will simply ask this: show me a religion that states the Golden Rule ("Live your life in peace and let others do the same" as I interpret it) and ONLY the Golden Rule: NOTHING ELSE! None of this – women must be completely covered up, converts to another religion from ours must be sought out and killed, you must not be friends with those outside your religion, do not use condoms (although still opposed to this, The Catholic church has lifted prohibition on this, so on this point at least they are coming around), pray 5 times a day, go to church on Sunday, etc, etc. These and any other rules that say to a follower "Do what I tell you to do", not "go and live your life in peace" are what is wrong with all religions and are most likely the crux of all the tension and ill will amongst those of different faiths.
Kant has a similar concept called The Categorical Imperative which basically means to analyze the merit of any action by imagining what would happen if everybody did it. If everybody kills, no one would be alive. If everybody was homosexual the species will be extinct.
Hello all,
Ali Sina, this may be nothing more than semantics, but it just occured to me that the meaning of the "Golden Rule" could be misinterpreted, especially to a mind clouded with religious brainwashing. The Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", yes? Unfortunately, a mind that is so twisted as to think that blowing itself up in order to kill non-believers is a good thing, could read this and take it as an endorsement of exactly that action.
This is why I prefer to read the intent of the Golden Rule by saying "Live your life in peace and let others do the same". I know you, I, and most everyone else here know what you mean by the Rule, but we're not the ones we need to try and get through to. Perhaps you could attempt to recite the Rule in this way, or something similar that won't be misconstrued as easily, that it might have a better chance of getting through to those who need to hear it the most.
And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
This joker Naik can tell lies and defend his religion of lies in front of all human beings but he can't fool the angels, demons or even my loving Creator God as the above account clearly stated that even the demons confessed that Jesus is not just a prophet or even an angelic being but the Son of the Most High God, having all authority over the evil spirits and kingdom of darkness that even all the demons have to beg Him not to torment them and they all have to submit to his command and flee!
From the above verses, Jesus clearly said that He is more than just a prophet and that, He is the Messiah, Son of the living God. John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. The apostle John also testified that Jesus was the Word and the Word was God!
Hi nowfal, you should tell this joker Naik to read the following verses and tehn, you'll know who are the idiots here? Matthew 16:13-20 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Hi muslim nowfal, why don't you this joker, Dr Zakir Naik, the most important question of all, which would shed light to the whole Islamic world, if the Quran is telling the truth or not? You just need to ask him according to the Quran, Ibrahim sacrifice Ishmael or Ishaq unto God? If this joker said Ishmael, then, you can be sure that the Quran is pack of lies! If he said that it's Ishaq, all the Islamic clerics ie. Mullahs, imams, Ayatollahs, Grand Ayatollahs, Muftis, etc will use their bananas to hit his head. LOL. So, do ask him this very important question and I believe that if he is a truthful human being like me, he'll confessed that it's Ishaq. 😉
Hi nowfal, based on his above speech, this joker Dr Zakir Naik has to keep his word and become a Christian! Matthew 26:63-64 But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Can you read and understand the above verses? Jesus confess to the high priest that He is indeed the SON OF GOD.
Hi Guest, I encourage you to read the Torah, Bible and Quran from the beginning to the end and try to be objective as possible using your mind and IQonly without your emotions interfere and then tell me your opinions again. I believe that after reading, studying and comparing your Quran with the Torah and the Bible, you'll beat your chest like a gorilla and cry out loud that you'be been fooled and cheated for donkey years by a 7th century cheat and hate monger monster, Muhammad ibn Abdullah!
This site uses the Quran, Sahih Hadiths and the Sira, which are Islam's most reliable sources. You should read the articles before you jump to the comments section.
I encurege all of you to read about islam from reliable sources and do not depend on biased media and read quran from begining to end and try to be as objective as possible using your mind only without your emotions interfer and then tell us your opinion again
خری با صاحب خؤد گفت در راه
كه ای بی رحم بی انصاف بد خؤاه
مرا تا چند با جان كار داري
مرا تا كی بزير بار داري
خدا مرگت دهد آسؤده گردم
كه بار مهنتت فرسؤده كردم
بدو گفت صاحبش كه ای حيوان بد بخت
چرا در مرگ من نو ميكنی رخت
علاجی كن كه ديگر خر نباشي
كشيدن بار را درخؤر نباشي
و الا تا تو خر باشی به ناچار
چه من چه ديگرانت ميكنند بار
كم از خر ملت خواب و خمؤدند
كه دائم زير مهميزرنؤدند
نگردی تا ز خواب جهل بيدار
نبينی پشت خؤد را خالی از بار
Why are the newpapers full of Muslim killers everyday?
هرکس با اسلام درگیر شد…عاقبت خداوند اورا نابود خواهد کرد.برادران و خواهران به سمت خدا و آخرین فرستاده اش حضرت محمد (ص)برگردید…که هیچوقت دیر نیست.
ISLAM is religion of peace…
Islam is a death cult. It venerates death and hates life. It is a curse on mankind.
Hm? I'm not sure what you meant by that. I'm just playing a "mirror", can't you grasp it? o.0
Right. Like "smite them at their necks" uses the same verb as for chopping wood.
@riders
YOU WROTE: "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him… (chapter 112)"
This verse in original Arabic means "Say: He is Allah, the One and ONE OF! …….."
But translators were embarrassed to write that as it would have meant committing shirk, so they changed it to "the One and Only" !
Similarly, verse 33.056 in the ORIGINAL ARABIC in the Quran says
"Allah and his angels pray to Muhammad"
But here again, translators mistranslated it to "Allah and his angels send blessings to Muhammad", so that it sounds better to non-muslims !
Riders, believe me, the Quran sounds a lot harsher in the original Arabic.
Learn the meaning of the ORIGINAL ARABIC VERSES, before commenting !
why u r getting away from the truth said by ali sila ?????????
r u afraid ??????????
Why are you threatening us, you gonna pay too….
Why this why that… at least try to dig the source of "insult" first in the Sirah. 😉
What are we going to pay?
Why do you think Muhammad is a prophet?
Why do you feel insulted by the truth?
You shouldn't let yourself become emotionally involved in educational matters. You make yourself sound like you come from a primitive uneducated culture.
hey u, u are insulting our Prophet, u gonna pay for this. got it?
Unfortunately the extremist faction of Islam is supported by the Quran, Ahadith, Sira, and Sharia. They will kill anyone who does not agree with them.
Mr.Truth, You must diferenciate 2 type of Muslim which are Arabic and Non Arabic. Arabic muslim is the Devils and the OPRESSOR while Non Arabic Muslim is the VICTIM and the OPRESSED people who must choose to accept Islam or to DIE.Read the history through the ages and ranged from Spain, Iraq, Iran India who lost its Pakistan area up to many other countries now becoming an opressed country thanks to religion as the weapon. And Arabic Muslim is now motorized by WAHABI muslim suported by Arabian Government. Thats the fact.Non Arabic Muslims only need HELP and reeducation and mental rehab to AWAKE , thank you Sincerely IM ABAD.
"I pleaded with them to let me at least finish the worship service before they attack us,” he told Compass.
When word of her conversion to Christianity reached her village, another extremist group from Motijil led by Jamal Shaike disrupted the service. Shaike and the others verbally abused the Christians, and he ordered his son who was present at the service to leave immediately, Bashir said.
The pastor said that on April 5, two Muslim women along with members of the extremist group summoned Selina Bibi to one of their homes and forcefully stripped her naked.
"The radicals believe that when any person from the Muslim community becomes Christian, they get Christian marks on their body,” Bashir said. "When the radicals could not find such marks, they started beating her up.”
NEW DELHI — Four months after a recent convert to Christianity from Islam in eastern India’s West Bengal state was stripped and beaten, about 50 Muslim extremists yesterday disrupted a prayer meeting held in her home, threatening to burn it down if she did not return to Islam, area Christians said.
The extremists warned Selina Bibi of Motijil village in Murshidabad district that if she did not return to Islam, then she must either leave the area or see her house burned down. At her baptism at Believers Church four kilometers from her home on March 29, a large crowd of Muslim extremists disrupted the service, said a pastor identified only as Bashir.
India: Female Convert To Christianity Stripped And Beaten By Muslim Fundamentalists, Threaten To Burn Down House If She Doesn’t
Group of men try to enforce 'shariat' on women shopping alone
daily.bhaskar.com 10 August 2011
Bhopal: A group of Muslim youths made an unsuccessful bid to enforce "Shariat" on women shopping alone in the markets of Bhopal, leading to a brawl with shopkeepers on Sunday. The youth were trying to put into practice the preachings of the City Qazi, who had advised women against shopping alone or without purdah (veil).
Inspired by the sermon, some youth went on a rampage, asking women to go home. When the women refused to accept their firman, the youth attacked shop keepers with scissors and looted their shops.
The incident took place at Chowk Bazzar here on Sunday. The police, however, registered a case of loot against 12 unidentified persons in Kotwali police station based on a complaint lodged by a shop keeper.
The frenzied action from the youths, according to community members, was the outcome of a 'misunderstanding.' (…)
But unfortunately for us non-Muslims, those of us who do not believe the prophet Muhammad are therefore not "innocent," so no Muslim needs to fear Hell fire for killing us if we refuse to submit to Muhammad's version of Allah. And even if we are allowed to live, we must live as dhimmi if Muslims gain power over us, which means living without full freedom. If Muslims and their multicultural allies ever become a voting majority in any democracy, that democracy becomes nothing but a tool for handing control of that country to Islam. Hello Eurabia. Hello U.S. of Islam.
Mounira, go read around first. Before you ask this and that you should prove your own heaven because using that reason, muslims throughout history had done jihad to subjugate non muslims.
So Islam forbids that? May I see the proof? Muhammad allowed the killing of old men if they were polytheists, massacred boys with pubic hair, killed some women whom he hated, cutting plants for the sake of Allah, and even ordered muslims to kill black dog and gecko. Also, all his wars were aggressive and the proof is all around you. No divine needs to teach the very basic nature of human being, self defense.
The only trouble is what makes you think Islam is true? Because Muhammad says so? Are you so foolish that you believe anything anyone tells you? What if I tell you that you will go to hell if you don't pray to the moon? Will you believe me? So why do you believe Islam?
You are forcing people to believe something really stupid, violent, and evil. That is why we want to fight Islam. Wake up.
Muslim ethics are murder, robbery, rape, domination.
Why? Why do people fight Islam? I mean, Islam wants to be dominate only to make people be muslims thus go to heaven… Islam is FORBIDS muslims ( in jihad and life) to fight old people, women, cut trees, or hurt an animal… Islam says that a person should only fight the person who is coming to kill you…and it is proved in history… We want people to be muslims only because we love them to go to heaven with us, maybe more higher! Isn't it weird that the only religion fought hardly in this world is Islam? Yes, you why? Because it's right! If you jumped out of everything and looked from above you'll see that right is always fought by wrong and misunderstanding people… Also, back to jihad, countries became muslims not because of jihad, but because of muslims' ethics… read more about it, on wiki and other trusted sites…
According to Blaise Pascal (in article http://alisina.org/what-if-god-exists/) we should believe in God. Because if we now believe that there is no God, but after death suddenly found that there is really a God, then no scope to rectify, straight looser. But If we believe in God in this life, then we will be in safe side whether there is God exists or not. So what we have to do is to find out the only true / loving God among the Gods in various religions.
If Dr. Ali Sina was honest, suppose one of my friends called me, Maruf come out of your home, right then I will asked him where I will live at night? If he could not provide me another home than he has no right to call me come out? My friend should first manage another better home for me if he wants me to leave my current home. But Mr. Sina is not doing that he should have at first come up with a truer / lovelier God comparing to Muslim God before asking Muslims to denounce their faith. But without giving a solution he is offering a problem. This proves that Mr. Ali Sina has something evil hidden in his mind.
He also suggests that to live ethically this will be enough for you. I am also agree with him in this regard.
But who will decide the ethics meaning which is bad or which is right?
Somebody tells, looking to a woman is bad, somebody tells looking is ok but touching is bad, somebody tells shaking and kissing is ok but adultery is bad, somebody tells everything is ok if both agree. Somebody tells Gay is very bad, some tells no it is their right. Some tells to be vegetarian is right , some tells no everything which is permitted can be eaten . Some tells bikini is perfect because it reveals the whole beauty, some tells no- woman should be modestly covered. Doctors say alcohol is harmful but it is permitted in many countries. Some says gambling is bad because it looses man financially, socially but many countries has permitted it. Some says interest is not bad for economy although it can’t resist recession, others tell that Islamic banking is less affected by the recession. A robber says robbery is good because he can earn much money with less effort and enjoy a luxurious life but the victim will say it is crime.
For these reasons laws of every country differs each other and there is a continuous clash between pro and con.
So the question is that who will define the good or bad or set limit. It is obviously the God, the Creator. Otherwise every right or wrong i.e. ethics becomes meaningless. So Gods presence/guidance is essential.
So what is Dr. Sina doing, he is trying to make Muslims ex, without suggesting a more true God/religion for them. He wants to bring them out of home to under the sun, rain, storm, danger. It is inhuman. He is utilizing his brilliancy, literacy for misleading people, for the evil of the society.
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Err, nothing new there. He still didn't talk about Muhammad's NPD. Is he the expert? He just keeps shooting at the messenger.
For example, Sina talked about Muhammad being offered a money by pagan but what did Donald do? Nothing. For your own record, if he received that money he would be "destroyed" instantly and surely ambitious man like him didn't like stopping at that point.
All he should do is simple, bring out the qualified professional's analysis that contradicts Vaknin's. Also the challenge page is clear,
"As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims, moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.
As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. "
Donald should wear glasses.
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pure consumers endup being very cruel. They lack any sense of gratitude towards their fellow beings. Instead they turn their gratitude towards their false conception of GOD. Jews progressed from Narcicism to Passive Humanism of Moses and active Humanism of Jesus. Mohammad regressed to the Narcicism of old testament. The early Jews, however primitive their psychology be, never posed a threat to Humanity, as they were non-prositelysing. Mohammad's Narcicism on the other hand is a Global Threat due to conversions and jihad.
Sense control is anathema to them. Sense gratification is the only sacred activity to them. Unable to understand the allcompassionate supreme being, they conceive of GOD as being on their side. They do not make efforts to be on the side of GOD ( which really means serving the others as one's own self). Beause of this wrong conception of GOD, such persons endup being a terror to the creation. Mohammad was one such Thamasic personality which in modern Psychology is termed Narcicism. Thamasic people think that GOD creatyed the universe for their sense gratification. The others do not matter to the Thamasic. They are pure consumers.
You wrote, “is der ani chapter in ur scriptures which describes ur god the best as Islam does…”
This quality of yours is called false pride, a negative psychological trait. Know that there aren't many GODs. The supreme being or the creator or the primordial cause of this creation is ONE without a second. Our conception of the supreme being changes with our Gunas (=attributes of the mind).
A satwic (goodness) person feels others' suffering as his own. He conceives of GOD as compassionate to the entire creation, not just to himself
A Rajasic person serves the creation in a constructive way as he conceives GOD as the indweller of the entire creation.
.A Thamasic person (one who is an addict to senses) conceives of GOD as his own, not to be claimed by others. For them GOD is merciful if He serves their meanest desires. They conceive of GOD as granter of all their vile wishes. In this they don't mind causing any amount of harm to others for gaining an iota of self benefit..
I was enjoying your entry until it suddenly diverged from the truth. The two kinds of jihad are terror and deception? Maybe for the .01% of Muslims who use the religion to support their war against Western invaders, yes. For the other 99.99%, jihad is about protecting Islam from offense, and bettering one's self.
I don't see how you can say that Islam does not have the "Golden Rule". There are countless surahs that argue for protecting the less privileged in society, donating money and support. Furthermore, verses talk about the benefits of dealing fairly with people through economic trades, keeping one's word, upholding agreements and treaties (yes, even with non-believers!), providing fair inheritance, and for the way that believers should deal with their family, spouses, children, and people in their community. Hadiths explore how Muhammad (pbuh) would often deal with Jewish merchants, and show concern and visit them when they were sick.
There is absolutely no mention of 72 virgins in the hadiths. There is, however, mention for people who kill innocent women, children, elderly, men, and believers, the promise of Hell fire.
The jiziya is the equivalent of the tax paid by Muslims. Under an Islamic state, ALL people pay the same percentage of their income to benefit the poor, orphans, and widows who have no income or protection.
Muhammad (pbuh) received revelations that prohibited "brutal merciless killings". In fact, the norm at the time was for this to happen- therefore he (pbuh) didn't need religion or any excuse to do this. Instead, he (pbuh) taught followers for ten years while they were being persecuted, tortured, and murdered, yet refused to fight or harm his persecutors. Those who did fight back, or did not follow the Islamic teachings of peace, tolerance, morality, piety, etc. were soon exposed as "hypocrites" and separated from believer.
Really? All the women are covered?
Many Muslim women are highly educated, and the Qur'an encourages every Muslim to be enlightened and seek truth.
Unfortunately, countries such as Saudi Arabic, which are governed by an extremist faction of Islam that hardly anyone follows (but was given political power under the British) perpetuate these views of Islam, supported by Western countries who allow these human rights abuses because the country has oil. 🙁
– the massacre of the Quraiza tribe is a weak hadith; furthermore, it was unintentional that the women and children were killed, however the men of the tribe had been attacking the Muslims and had broken numerous treaties to threaten the security of Islam
– Muhammad (pbuh) never married without the bride's consent
– Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha at 9 years old, which was the beginning of puberty and hence reproductive age; this was common practice at the time and was never anything that Aisha spoke badly of
– again, there are Qur'anic verses forbidding anyone to sleep with chaste slaves or women who desire to preserve their chastity; however, under the slave system back them, men who owned slaves were considered protectors of these women, and child of the union would be freed
– the Qur'an has only a few verses about violence towards non-believers; most of them are specifically geared towards a group that was fighting against the Muslims when the surah was revealed. Other verses are conditional to fighting in defense or if someone commits a heinous crime. Besides, there are ten times as many verses explaining the "violent" verses, urging patience, mercy, forgiveness, and treaty with non-believers.
– raping and looting is strongly condemned in Islam, and those who did so were punished by the prophet (pbuh)
I'm not sure where you got this misinformation, but I can certainly see why you would abandon your faith when hearing these lies!
Zulfikar,
Impacts. How about freedom and democratical governments. You decide your own fates.
On the contrary, isn’t it a good objective to pull muslims outta the dark age?
Be real, World of Islam is always been retarded because Islam has been an obstacle.
Uhm, great I can read part of your thought. Seeking your main ideas. Try to analize those all. But, i wanna ask a thing, if your thought success to influenced al peoples all around the world, would you like to describe, whatever it may gives (it impacts)?
I think, it's not a wise if you spread your idea like that. Coz, no one will get any good impact of these all.
I have stated another handful of facts which expose the true nature of Islam. Any logical person by now should have realized that Islam is meant for the lowest of the low. The followers of Islam are mindless tyrannical demons who know nothing better than killing and torturing people in the name of Allah. And they do this because a pervert named Mohammed, among other things, promised his followers 72 Houris (Beautiful Virgin Women) and virility of 100 men in 'Jannat' (Heaven). This is very puzzling–why virility of 100 men and only 72 houris? Why not 100 houris? The answer is very simple–the prophet Mohammed promises these "pious" muslims that they will also be given 28 young boys in addition to the 72 houris for their sexual pleasure
They have to show respect to every Muslim.
They have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings. They are not to dress like muslims.
They are not to name themselves with Muslim names.
They are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle.
They are not to possess arms.
They are not to wear signet or seals on their fingers.
They are not to sell or drink liquor openly
They are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status and separates them from Muslims.
They are not to propagate their custom and usages among the muslims.
They are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of muslims.
They are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the muslims.
They are not to observe their religious practices publicly or mourn their dead loudly.
They are not to buy muslim slaves.
They are not to build any new places of worship.
They are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the muslims.
They are not to prevent muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship.
They are to entertain for 3 days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes and for a longer period if the muslim falls ill. They are not to harbor any hostility or give aid and comfort to hostile elements. They are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam.
IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
This verse in Quran gave birth to the law that all non muslims living in an Islamic state have to pay the jiziya or poll tax for the privilege of being there. These people are called zimmis and are allowed to live and work in the Islamic lands under the following 20 disabilities: (one has to wonder if apartheid was derived from this)
"The philosophy that lies behind Islam is stunning and proves the consummate political skill of the Prophet Mohammed: by declaring all Muslims as one nation and the non-Muslims as another, he created the Two Nation Theory, perpetually setting Muslims against non-Muslims. Again, he stressed that in this struggle the Muslims would be victorious."
We see this philosophy in practice in the modern times. The partition of India was based totally on this. Here Pakistan and Bangladesh are darul-Islam whereas India is darul-Harb. The recent religious wars in Bosnia were also based on this.
The momins were not of course risking their lives for nothing. Four-fifths of the booty and prisoners captured in war was theirs in accordance with the law laid down in the Quran by the prophet himself. The prisoners included quite a number of fair and young maidens who could set any momin's mouth watering. No wonder that the infant state of Islam at Medina was able to assemble very soon quite a number of dedicated swordsmen without spending a penny from its own coffers. The principle of free enterprise applied to plunder an pillage was functioning with full force.
The prophet of Islam proclaimed that Allah has assigned the whole world to the momins. Not a patch was to be left for the kafirs to dwell. But it seems that Allah's knowledge of geography was not so good. It looks like Allah's Prophet Mohammed had not heard of many lands beyond Syria, Iraq, Persia, Ethiopia, and Egypt. Notwithstanding this lack of geographical knowledge, the prophet divided the world in two contending spheres–darul-Islam(the zone of peace where the mulsims were the dominant element) and darul-Harb (the zone of war where the kafirs or non-muslims held sway).
Islam is nothing but a Arab National Movement. This movement was the dream of Mohammed who wanted everything under his control. Islam was a convenient religious excuse for him to do this.
For this movement to be successful, Mohammed had to find a way to control mindless people and justify the brutal merciless killings. Thus Islam was devised and propagated by a band of dacoits.
To start with, Mohammed divided the Arabian society in two tight compartments:
Momins
Kafirs
The word momin means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a kafir is a non-believer. The momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation)- "there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet." By doing that the 'momins' become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process.
Thanks Ali sina for your reply,
I have one question, See all over the world where ever Muslims lives, you will see violence, poverty and illiteracy. Muslim always teaches hate violence.
Ali sina save this world from Muslims, they are more dangerous then Atom bombs.
Read Dr. Sina's "Understanding Muhammad" for a more professional definition of "cult".
Cool it down budie. I was a Muslim too. Don’t confuse Islam with Musims. One is from the devil and the other are victims of a lie. The first is to be eradicated, the latter are to be saved.
muslims are devils with no souls. their lives are totally without value. their one aim is to subjugate the entire world to their barbaric cult of hate and violence, and they have no respect for the ways, property, or ideas of non-muslims. just read the koran… it's all there.
ALL MUSLIMS MUST DIE AND THE KORAN MUST BE BURNED AND THE WOMEN STERILIZED FOR THESE ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING THIS PLANET BACK TO THE STONE AGE !!!!!! TOTALY PATHETIC LOOSERS WITH NO SELF RESPECT OR CONTROL OF THEMSELFS, THIS IS WHY ALL THE WOMEN ARE COVERED FROM HEAD TO TOE WITH CLOTHING. THIS IS WHY WE NEVER SEE MUSLIM WOMEN GETTING AN EDUCATION OR BEING IN CONTROL OF ANYTHING.
Religion is the Opium of the Masses! It has kept human progress back. All organized religion is evil: Islam–a death cult, Christianity- an Apocalyptic cult . . .
Although I had my doubts since I was in my teens about the divinity of islamic teachings, the straw that broke camel's back was reading about what is really in Quran and what Mohammed did in his Madina stay through websites like faithfreedom.org and books by Ibn Warraq and Anwar Shaikh. Particularly disgusting were his massacre of all Quraiza tribe's men and taking beautiful Rehana, the wife of the tribe leader, to bed the same night and and sex with 17 year old Safia after killing her husband Kinana and his people in Khyber. Other disturbing revelations were mohammed's marriage to 6 year old Ayesha, his sleeping with slave girls and concubines,his asassinations of his critics, Quran's declaration of violence against non-muslims, raping of captive women and slaves & looting of non muslims as pious act worthy of paradise. That left no doubt in my mind that Islam is not divine, it is a dangerous cult.
Dear Agracean,
You wrote the awswer yourself that There will never be an agreement between truth and lies at all.
It mean Mohhamd made all false story to make people fool and enjoy all power money and woman.
You wrote, “Why do they not study The Quran carefully? If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.” (The Quran, 4:82)
There are indeed contradictions. This is logical fallacy and no thief admits that he is a thief.
You wrote, “We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)
This is one more repetition just like that egg shaped or Allah’s reflected light (Allah was moon god?). Pharaoh was a muslim and Allah still killed him. He’s a vicious god.
You wrote, “What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)”
You are so proud of this unclear verse. The Pharaoh didn’t have a name and certainly I can also interpret “preserve your body” to the embalming tradition of Egypt which anyone can guess it. If Allah wanted to make that a sign he should do that himself right from the start not relying on human discovery of alleged mummy. Imagine he hid the body until thousand years later found by humans. What would happen to people before that? This is unfair.
I want to know who the Pharaoh really is since the alleged Pharaoh was dead from natural cause. Again according to Ibn Kathir this incident was a sign for Children of Israel not for us.
“(So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those who come after you!) Ibn `Abbas and others from among the Salaf have said: "Some of the Children of Israel doubted the death of Fir`awn so Allah commanded the sea to throw his body — whole, without a soul — with his known armor plate. The body was thrown to a high place on the land so that the Children of Israel could confirm his death and destruction.'' That is why Allah said,
("So this day We shall deliver your..'') meaning that We will put your body on a high place on the earth. Mujahid said,
(your (dead) body) means, `your physical body. "
(that you may be a sign to those who come after you!) meaning, so that might be a proof of your death and destruction for the Children of Israel. That also stood as a proof that Allah is All-Powerful, in Whose control are all the creatures. Nothing can bear His anger. Fir`awn and his people were destroyed on the day of `Ashura', as recorded by Al-Bukhari, Ibn `Abbas said, "When the Prophet arrived at Al-Madinah, the Jews fasted the day of `Ashura'.”
Also this story was plagiarized from Bible and rabbinical works. Pharaoh was dead, found on the coast like dead fish and his body was preserved according to Egyptian tradition like any other Pharaoh. What makes me strange is that no Egyptian had converted to monotheism at that time. Their great king was killed by enemy’s god so at least they should be afraid or convert. No record either.
I want to ask you this,
In verse 90 we have, “[It was said to him]: "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief [and violence]!”
Who had talked to Pharaoh? The only possibility was Allah himself. So Allah who never talked directly to Muhammad, the best prophet of all time, talked to Pharaoh the pagan king, the worst sinner at that time. For ego I assume? Touché, kid.
All of these commotions lack one simple but important thing, a name.
You wrote, “now I am seeing these in realities… Alhamdulillah brother… u have made my faith more strong…”
What did I say earlier? Win-win situation, you win means you win, you lose means you win. This is typical muslim mindset, even ignorance and stupidity are knowledge to you.
You wrote, “neither all muslims are terrorist…nor all terrorists are muslims…”
Sure, that doesn’t change the fact that most terrorists are pious muslims sanctioned by their scriptures. Now, the problem is, why are most terrorist pious muslims?
You wrote, “so therefore its a bad conclusion that who ever followed quran becomes a terrorist… infact a true believe and follower of Quran will only succeed in his life and here after…”
Such as? Didn’t Muhammad say that the hereafter is more important than this life and success in this life is just a distraction? It’s easy to say anything without evidence like you.
You wrote, “its all political issues which gave Islam a bad name… but it aint a bad religion… its the best religion… and the true religion…”
Islam is both religious and political. You didn’t read anything here so enough with the rhetorical rant trained by your doctrine and imam.
You wrote, “the facts mentioned in the Quran which match with the present researches is sufficient to prove that its not a handwritten book… i am not comparing quran with science … but science with Quran… bcoz science is 0.1 of Quran …or mayb less than that… “
Yeah, that’s right kid and don’t forget about science in other religions too. You can do that so why can’t they? So science is just a small portion, eh? Then show me new scientific fact which is unknown at this time. Can you? Naik can’t, that’s for sure.
You wrote, “past being the stories of jews and christians and other prophets…”
Yeah, those stories were full of plagiarism, mistake, and ignorance.
You wrote, “present being the stories of prophet muhammad(PBUH)…”
Ditto, that included his lust, ambition, emotion, trickery, and selfish personality.
You wrote, “and future being the condition of world and people living…”
Now this I don’t agree. He had strange definition of future anyway.
You wrote, “and i also wonder why didnt mr. sina bcme a terrorist if he thinks dat quran teaches hatred and violence and he understood it corectli…”
It’s because he’s not Muhammad in every sense. Kid, the fact that he is against Islam has already answered your silly statement. Think with logic next time, I mean, real logic.
You wrote, “the fact that he understood quran correctli and he dint bcme terrorist contradicts with the fact that people following quran are terrorists…”
The “fact” that people think the same and act the same contradicts the fact that people have different, unique characteristics, upbringings, cultures, and societies. You are funny, kid, really. I think you should become a clown to entertain kids. Adulthood is not your game.
You wrote, “and it over all contradicts with da fact that der are muslims who are not terrorists…”
It’s sometimes hilarious to see someone who makes basic mistake on word’s meaning like this writing with such confident even adding expression. Loud but wrong, they say.
You wrote, “he got influenced by some stupid arguments and i wasnt…and will not … not bcoz i am steady on my decision but because i too have read my books and understood dem in correct manner…”
Reallyyyy ……… Sina was influenced by Quran and co, so the stupid one is Quran and co if I follow your logic.
You wrote, “i think i have already given u an example in preious comment to show u difference between terrorism and religion… “
But you left out the sanctioned terrorism by divine being. Don’t tell me it’s not possible since it has been proven many times, denying it would be illogical. Terrorism is a loose definition and it’s not an opposite side of religion like black vs white, tall vs short, fat vs skinny, or smart vs stupid, etc. These 2 operate in 2 different fields and can be mixed.
You wrote, “but i have read his debate too and dint see him winning too…”
I assume his “debate” with Maulana Ajmal Qadri or whatever his name is. You are “right”, that was not even a debate, just a rant of a brainwashed muslim which doesn’t deserve any response. I wonder why people call that a debate. So he didn’t win and I’m sure that Qadri guy didn’t either, who had won then? Alien? Ghost? Yeti?
Oh yeah one more, in Islamic mindset and dictionary there is no word called “lose”. No matter what happens muslims always think that they are the winner so your words are predictable. Just look the concept of jihad, a win-win situation.
You wrote, “just bcoz one is pertained to a particual statement doesnt mean he won da debate…”
That’s another word for winning, you know. The debate is ended when one of the parties is unable to answer the opponent. Just because one can score more points than its opponent in a sport game doesn’t mean one win. What is this, some kind of severe denial? If I follow your logic then no one can win anything including you. Don’t tell me you are the only one that can win. Man, that’s narcissism.
You wrote, “sure i will read it….”
Dang, so for all this time you haven’t read it. What’s the point of your above posts anyway?
You wrote, “but brother from the history u shud know mani had already claimed such stuff…”
And they had been dealt with sword. Do you want to do this too, Mr. Ignorant Rapper?
You wrote, “which he is saying was already told by many christain misionaries in prophet's era itself.. its just a copy paste of that… and to dat der was a repli also… and dey all were proven wrong…”
As far as I know (ignorant mode) the heavyweight critics were pagans and Jews. Ignorance is indeed your attribute. Those ancient Christians criticized Muhammad for religious reason unlike Sina. For example, pedophilia was not part of their critiques because it was unknown at that time.
You wrote, “i am always der to defend the truth… “
You mean you are always ready to defend Muhammad (the god king) for the sake of Islamic heaven.
You wrote, “and i wonder why onli mr.sina understood in dat way while others are still "good and pious" and not terrorist… infact i am not a terrorist but still a muslim…”
Not only Sina, there are many Islamic critics on this earth from various background such as ex muslim, Christian, Hindu, Atheist, even muslim reformer or liberal. Many muslims on this earth are ignorant even to their own scriptures but of course muslim who are aware of Islamic mission will strive in the way of Allah through their property and life. Martyrdom is the short cut to heaven. You are good and pious? Calling yourself that way is forbidden you know.
Sahih Muslim Book 25, Number 5337:
Muhammad b. 'Amr b. 'Ata' reported : I had given the name Barra to my daughter. Zainab, daughter of Abu Salama, told me that Allah's' Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden me to give this name. (She said) : I was also called Barra, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said : Don't hold yourself to be pious. It is God alone who knows the people of piety among you. They (the Companions) said: Then, what name should we give to her ? He said: Name her as Zainab.
And when you call yourself that way other sect would call you kafir. Muhammad hated hypocrites who pretended to pray or did charity but never wanted to go to war for Islam. Read the verses about that.
You wrote, “but something based on logic doesnt require age basis… it can be proved by ani one…”
Not entirely true, age is not always the defining factor but experience is. Do you have experience on logic? I see you don’t have it. If you are talking about “Islamic logic” then you should tell us from the very start.
You wrote, “and Alhamdullillah i am raised in good culture as it shows ,while i am able to decline the falsehood mentioned by mr. sina…”
What culture? Certainly not Islamic culture, isn’t it?
You wrote, “the countries are not muslim or non muslim… dey are countries… witout ani religion…”
If you mean “the country” itself then yes, technically it’s without any religion but if you fill it with people you’ll have that identity. Country exists because of people not the other way around.
You wrote, “dont feel bad… but i wud like to advice u to go through the history very well… to know the reasons …”
Which history? You didn’t explain it again.
You wrote, “along with that… u are telling "state of muslim countries…" are they following islam correctli…? hw can u just tag anione as muslim…”
So they are not muslims? Who are they? Which country follows Islam correctly? The only rich muslim countries are Arabs with oil paid by kafirs. Sure, Malaysia is pretty developed but it doesn’t practice sharia fully and has 40% non muslim minorities who are good at making money. Turkey? Don’t count this godless constitutional country. The more these countries follow Islam the more backward they become.
You wrote, “so den according to u whcih country currentli is the best… fair and sincere … prescribed perfect rules and regulations…”
I can recommend a few countries like that, Switzerland for example, Singapore, Netherlands, or South Korea. Some atheistic countries like Sweden can also be an example. Talking about low crime rate such as homicide, Japan can be an example. Actually all of these are proven with reality itself which is muslim immigration to kafir lands (including religious duty, conversion).
You wrote, “huh brother such questions are irrelevant to religion… if it is so… den britain bcmes the worse to invade india… portugal bcmes verse to invade india.. etc… dey werent muslims…”
If that’s irrelevant then religions are useless since it has no influence to the people so you should discard it. Britain invaded India for profit not religious motive just like Portugal, Spain, Dutch, or France. Natural resource and gold was the primary purpose. This happened after the renaissance era which discarded Christianity’s influence. On the contrary, Muhammad and his followers invaded their surroundings for religious motive ala Islam and got sanctioned by Quran.
You wrote, “mayb u onli know dat meaning of noor …”
How about you? Have you searched it in Arabic dictionary? Noor literally means light or ray of light. It was also used in Q 2:17 as “their light”, Q 2:257 as “into light” and “from light”, Q 4:174 as “a light [that is] manifest”, Q 5:15 as “light”, Q 5:44 as “a light”, Q 6:1 as “the light”, Q 9:32 in “Allah's light” and “His light”, Surah 24 which is called noor or light, etc. Allah’s reflected light, yeah right.
You wrote, “but being muslims having strong faith on the UnSEEN Allah”
Actually you have answered your own post and this sentence alone denies all your posts here.
Oh this egg shaped again. How many times you had repeated the same silly argument over and over again. I suggest you do some reading first about it or you can discuss some Naik’s miracles with me at Safiyah article here. I made some responses to a muslim there but he didn’t want to discuss anything so maybe you can.
You wrote, “To Know about Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) i dont need to read his book when i my self own a QURAN and HADITH … and its not kept in my cupboard for a showpiece but its read by me daily… daily in the sense not for the purpose of reading and finishing it off but for the purpose of understanding and i dont think its complicated or difficult to understand …”
His book is not the same with that. He used psychological approach which of course absent in those books or any other muslim books. Can you find anything against Jesus in Christian books? Of course you can’t.
Oh, you claimed the easiness of Quran! This is rare since many Islamic scholars admit the difficulty to interpret it.
You wrote, “well when u are saying dat i shud read through his book "understanding Muhammed" … inshallah i will go through it to see how he has converted the truth into falsehood…”
See my point? You are also biased.
You wrote, “but brother its same like as if a blind person is telling evryone that the moon is square…”
Blind person didn’t know that moon exists. They didn’t even know what human looks like. It’s irrelevant parable.
You wrote, “by dis i mean he doesnt know the truth first”
You should change “know” to “believe” since these are 2 different things. Even you don’t know it but believe it.
You wrote, “And why do u think only u have found those mistakes whereas others were sleeping untill now… ? or is it just that u are putting forward ur hatred against Islam in this manner… aniways never mind its our job to show you the true path which we will surely… “
If you meant by ancient pagans then they were silenced with violence not with proof. Could you stop this ego pleasing remark and get to the discussion?
You wrote, “I cudnt find anithing wt he said in our holy book…”
What do you mean by that? He had quoted straight from Quran. Again be specific.
You wrote, “anione can comment without a proper evidence to it…”
The one that do that is you actually. What do you give? Evidence? Where?
You wrote, “but if you just assume that u have learned islam correctly den me as a muslim disagrees u.. not bcoz of my blind blieve bro but bcoz of my knowledge bout my religion…”
I’ll use your previous sentence because it suits you, “anyone can comment without proper evidence”. Let’s reverse it, if you just assume that you have learned Islam correctly then I as a non muslim disagrees, not because of my hatred to Islam but because of my knowledge about it.
You wrote, “u can compare the pre islamic era and post islamic era to see the difference in people and their livelihood…(islamic era i mean since muhammed came)…
though we know dat islam existed since Adam(PBUH) …”
Yes, I can see the difference. Women had more rights since there were female warriors, poets, or businesswomen. They also weren’t locked at home and wore the hijab. Religious tolerance between religions existed, no religious tension, etc. Yeah, yeah, Adam was a muslim too, so was Moses, Jesus, or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, ops. What next? I’ve heard all of these.
You wrote, “you will not agree bcoz u are against islam but dat wont change the truth…”
You think just like Muhammad. Everyone who disagrees with you is against Islam and deserved to be fought. You came here, brought no proof but blind faith and presented it as truth just like other religionists. Which one is right? They all have your method too you know, called imagination.
You wrote, “and its clear ffrom the history that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was illiterate … so clearli he dint write the Quran… if you want to critisize some one den critisize your LORD and my LORD… who wrote it but sadly u dint understand it…”
He could read and write actually if you ever bother to search it, although his level was not good. If Quran was written by some unknown then that unknown didn’t really know anything beyond its own surrounding.
You wrote, “i found everything to be his personal bias answers …”
Everything is biased including Quran and Islamic history. We humans are biased creature, inclined to certain side. People who care about humanity are biased to anything against humanity. Good people incline to goodness and vice versa. Muslim is also biased to anything against Muhammad/Islam and even justifying evil in it. Nothing is neutral on this earth except a robotic, emotionless encyclopedia which cannot be implemented in real world.
You wrote, “And brother you dont provide ani proper proof for ur statements and u want proofs of what… ?”
It’s funny to see you cherry picking the article and wrote this.
You wrote, “Muhammed himself didnt hav a dream to spread the message of peace… It was Allah who chose him from among the people of that time”
You first sentence is wrong,
Sahih Bukhari 1.3:
Narrated `Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light…
Your second sentence needs no response since you also need no proof saying it, typical faith based argument which any religion can make.
You wrote, “the reason is with Allah why he chose him”
In other words, you don’t know anything. Allah knows best, right?
You wrote, “but the examples we get are sufficient that he deserved to be our prophet… from the Sahih hadith”
Be specific next time.
You wrote, “A muslim is one who believes in Quran and lives according to Sunnah of prophet(pbuh)”
Are you sunni? How about Quran only muslim?
You wrote, “BUT does Quran teaches dis…?? certainly not …”
How do you know? Every sect thinks others are heretic aka disbelievers so your statement is wrong.
You wrote, “see the background of when these verses weree revealed and wt do dey actually mean”
But you didn’t do it and certainly not your 9:6.
You wrote, “i hope you wont repli me to be an atheist as its illogical…”
Oh the irony…
So, according to Muhammad, protecting your own goods from attacker and robber means an aggressive raid just as I always hear from muslims that Muhammad’s raids and preemptive, unprovoked attacks were all defensive with “justification”.
He persuaded more and more,
16. Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the [community of] Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with [all] that ye do.
Allah didn’t know who was the true muslim who would strive (do jihad), strange, isn’t it?
He broke the kinship,
23. O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
The hate speech continued,
28. O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, Allwise.
Even People of the Book were targeted,
29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued
All of these were done just for one reason, rejecting Islam. Still he did this,
38. O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Allah was like a salesman than a god. Pay attention to 2 last sentences, this is exactly the cause of all these violence. He threatened them more,
39. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.
Like a desperate salesman he used petty threat like this. You don’t want my goods? Fine, I’ll fine another buyer and remember, you can’t harm me on this. That has nothing to do with you, really. Buying goods is irrelevant with the salesman’s well being. Allah always assumed bad faith on everything unless he was talking about his other self, Muhammad. After some narcissistic remark he still stick to his first words,
41. Go ye forth, [whether equipped] lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye [but] knew.
Read also verse 49 and know the cause of this verse. You’ll find another weakness of Allah.
In order to attack he needed reason. When Bani Bakr attacked Bani Khuza’ah he saw the chance to attack the pagans since they were pagan’s ally. Why didn’t he attack Bakr instead? These small tribes’ dispute was personal and had nothing to do with Muhammad or Quraish and no country, party or nation can control its own ally because it has own interest and agenda.
4. [But the treaties are] not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
So the treaty was dissolved for pagans who “broke” their treaty and for pagans who didn’t break it they would be safe at least until the expired date. This is what happened after the treaty was gone:
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oftforgiving, Most Merciful.
This was an attacking stance. According to Ibn Kathir, “These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations”. This should explain your Q 9:6, also read Ibn Kathir tafsir on verse 6:
“On the day of Hudaybiyyah, several emissaries from Quraysh came to him, such as `Urwah bin Mas`ud, Mikraz bin Hafs, Suhayl bin `Amr and several others. They came mediating between him and the Quraysh pagans. They witnessed the great respect the Muslims had for the Prophet , which astonished them, for they never before saw such respect for anyone, kings nor czars. They went back to their people and conveyed this news to them; this, among other reasons, was one reason that most of them accepted the guidance. When Musaylimah the Liar sent an emissary to the Messenger of Allah, he asked him, "Do you testify that Musaylimah is a messenger from Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' The Messenger of Allah said, (I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed.) That man, Ibn An-Nawwahah, was later beheaded when `Abdullah bin Mas`ud was the governor of Al-Kufah. When it became known that he still testified that Musaylimah was a messenger from Allah, Ibn Mas`ud summoned him and said to him, "You are not delivering a message now!'' He commanded that Ibn An-Nawwahah be decapitated, may Allah curse him and deprive him of His mercy.”
Oh, this is so “spiritual”. He even persuaded his followers not to trust the pagans,
8. How [can there be such a league], seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With [fair words from] their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
Sure, every good word from pagan was fake word in his eyes but he forgot that he had done the same before and what had caused that. First, it was Muhammad who broke the kinship between muslim and pagan, second it was Muhammad who raided their caravans, third, it was Muhammad who taught the Islamic deception, taqqiya, to maintain faith when they were weak, and last, it was Muhammad who had rebelled to his own society and religion. Reversing fact and blaming the victim is the habit of conquerors. Timurlane also said the same thing.
He kept doing that,
12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
Here, a “taunt” was paid back by war. Ibn Kathir made it clear,
“(and attack your religion…) with disapproval and criticism, it is because of this that one who curses the Messenger, peace be upon him, or attacks the religion of Islam by way of criticism and disapproval, they are to be fought”.
Just by criticizing or disapproval like I do now, you have the right to kill me until I enter Islam. What a great teaching, eh? In short, saying no to Islam deserves to be killed. Oh, it’s so “spiritual”.
But hey, this was not enough to make normal people become narcissist so he persuaded them more:
13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first [to assault] you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
The problem is, none of them violate their oath, Muhammad migrated to Medina not expelled, and attacking them first by raiding their caravan. Again according to Ibn Kathir, aggressively being the first to assault means,
“(while they did attack you first), refers to the battle of Badr when the idolators marched to protect their caravan. When they knew that their caravan escaped safely, they still went ahead with their intent to fight Muslims out of arrogance, as we mentioned before”.
You wrote, “I have read it… its very interesting…and u have made good effort in tranforming the truth into falsehood …”
That’s what I call “prejudiced statement”. But don’t you worry even a “skeptical” or “no evil” muslim is like that, ops.
You wrote, “aniways the verses which u quoted from the Quran were out of context … by dis i mean either u purposely ignored da previous and next verses of dat Surah or forgot to read them … its so clearli mentioned in the previous verses dat , If the non believers fight you for your faith only den u fight … ders no wher in the Quran Written that we shud fight without ani reason… and the reason is also not "jihad" .. Jihad is not related to fighting at all if you misunderstood dat term….”
Yeah, many ignorant people do that, cutting one verse to prove a point including muslim. Let’s see about Surah 9. Oh wait, I have discussed this similar topic about “fight who fight you” in Juwairiyah article too. So I demand you to respond to that.
Surah 9 was talking about breaking of treaties and declaring war to the polytheists. Muhammad dissolved the treaty because he was stronger than them. The reason why Muhammad waged war was because they had rejected Islam. From the very start Muhammad was the first one to attack either mentally (his insult to Meccan religion) or physically (raiding caravans). His purpose was clear from the beginning, conversion and taking over Kaba. “Fight those who fight you” means fight those who reject Islam. “Persecution” is worse than slaughter is the standard of Islam.
Surah 9:
1. A [declaration] of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, [as ye will], throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah [by your falsehood] but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people [assembled] on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve [treaty] obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
He gave 4 months limit for them to surrender. Verse 2 says that everyone who rejects Islam will be shamed and in this case, fought. Verse 3 says that everyone who converts to Islam will be safe.
This is why:
Sahih Bukhari 1.365:
Narrated Abu Huraira: On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul−Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (at−Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba."
You see, from the very start Muhammad wanted to destroy Meccan religion with any means necessary, preach, curse, deceive, threat, robbery, assassination, raid, you name it. All of these were justified as long as Islam won. His primary objective never changed and when he had the strength to conquer Mecca he dissolved the treaty. The treaty itself made Muhammad and his followers could enter Mecca and performed Hajj but after considering the polytheist’s version of Hajj, he wanted to break the treaty.
Hey, there is Muhammad here asking convert.
You wrote, “And there is none like unto Him”
Actually when you look at it you’ll find many people with the same persona as Allah.
You wrote, “is der ani chapter in ur scriptures which describes ur god the best as Islam does…”
That’s the best? It sounds lame and primitive to me. Surely a supreme being like this should be complex in definition not simple like this.
You wrote, “aniways dats very ezee to gain a majority and critisize a religion of what u have no knowledge about…”
Mr. Rapper, Islamic critics are knowledgeable more than you ever know. Want to try?
You wrote, “you keep giving examples of sme stupid people and critisize islam for dat… truly illogical…”
Who are these stupid people? What part is illogical? You didn’t explain anything here.
You wrote, “if you learn Quran and islam from a source against islam den sureli u will onli learn what dey want u to learn (i.e hatred) …”
Not everyone do that. Rational people read it objectively and not every scripture can find what you want to find (hatred). Only hateful book contains so many hate.
You wrote, “If u truli want to learn islam .. read the quran in ur language and den try to understand it”
Everyone do that in their own language. They also want to know the meaning through multiple translations, tafsir, and commentaries.
You wrote, “dont read it to make out mistakes in it”
Mistake is found when anyone sees it. You can’t call an apple for an orange. A perfect book should leave no opening.
You wrote, “coz it aint a buk written by a human dat u try to challenge it”
As a matter of fact it did. It was made after Muhammad’s dead through some burning selection.
You wrote, “Islam is the only religion which has the solution of all the problems of mankind”
Your post sounds like a brainwashed junkie, you know, with dots here and there, unrelated rambling, etc. Can you prove it?
You wrote, “if people dont follow it corectli blame dem not da religion”
Not so fast. We have to do some verse checking before that. If the deed is sanctioned then it is legal. You know muslim can blame every system in the world but not Islam. It’s the people and always the people when comes to Islam. When asked why they just repeat it like robot. That’s too common in media.
You wrote, “you know the religion from its very basic rather than reading some nonsense here”
Do you even know the basic? What’s that?
“neither all muslims are terrorist…nor all terrorists are muslims…”
That is true Rider. But an exproportionate percentage of Muslims are terrorists and basically 90 to 95% of the terrorists are Muslims. Something must be rotten in Islam. Denying it is not honesty.
neither all muslims are terrorist…nor all terrorists are muslims…
so therefore its a bad conclusion that who ever followed quran becomes a terrorist…
infact a true believe and follower of Quran will only succeed in his life and here after…
its all political issues which gave Islam a bad name… but it aint a bad religion…
its the best religion… and the true religion…
the facts mentioned in the Quran which match with the present researches is sufficient to prove that its not a handwritten book…
i am not comparing quran with science … but science with Quran…
bcoz science is 0.1 of Quran …or mayb less than that…
Allah has mentioned the past , present as well as future …
past being the stories of jews and christians and other prophets…
present being the stories of prophet muhammad(PBUH)…
and future being the condition of world and people living…
few example of future events is:
“Why do they not study The Quran carefully? If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.” (The Quran, 4:82)
We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)
"What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)
now I am seeing these in realities… Alhamdulillah brother… u have made my faith more strong…
thanx… 🙂
When I used to think the Quran is the word of God I did not know what is inside it. Like most Muslims I was ignorant. When I read the book and found the truth, I realized I can’t believe in it, nor have I ever believed in it. I was in fact never a Muslim.
Most Muslims are not Muslims. My goal is to find them and help them see the reality of Islam. I can’t convince the terrorists, but I can show the truth to good people who think Islam is a good religion.
When I read the Quran and found the truth, I had two options, follow it and become a terrorist or denounce it. I chose to denounce it.
john
thanks bro, i apreciate ur concern…
but our minds are not same brother…
he got influenced by some stupid arguments and i wasnt…and will not … not bcoz i am steady on my decision but because i too have read my books and understood dem in correct manner…
i think i have already given u an example in preious comment to show u difference between terrorism and religion…
but i have read his debate too and dint see him winning too…
just bcoz one is pertained to a particual statement doesnt mean he won da debate…
sure i will read it….
but brother from the history u shud know mani had already claimed such stuff…
which he is saying was already told by many christain misionaries in prophet's era itself.. its just a copy paste of that… and to dat der was a repli also… and dey all were proven wrong…
i am always der to defend the truth…
and i wonder why onli mr.sina understood in dat way while others are still "good and pious" and not terrorist… infact i am not a terrorist but still a muslim…
and i also wonder why didnt mr. sina bcme a terrorist if he thinks dat quran teaches hatred and violence and he understood it corectli… 🙂
the fact that he understood quran correctli and he dint bcme terrorist contradicts with the fact that people following quran are terrorists…
and it over all contradicts with da fact that der are muslims who are not terrorists… 🙂
may i get the references… plz… to educate myself… 🙂
and even if he pikd out those phrases from hadith … dint he see gud sayings too… ? or just ignored dem … of the fear that his claims wud go wrong… 🙂
Riders, you have really hit the key here. You were raised by good parents. Ali Sina was raised by good parents. Ali Sina used to be the same as you. He used to believe Islam was good. But he started meeting people who were not good. Then he realized the Quran supported their bad attitudes. So he read the Quran for himself and learned that the terrorists understand the Quran, and people like you do not.
You would not be able to demonstrate anything. Many have tried to debate Dr. Sina and failed. If you think you can demonstrate anything, you can debate Dr. Sina. He only requires that you read his book first. He will send you a free copy. I guarantee that after you read it, you will not be a Muslim anymore. Are you man enough to take the challenge?
Have no fear. I am not on the wrong path, but I am here to help you find it.
Not true. I have read his claims. It is all Quran, Hadith, and Sira. All logical. Educate yourself.
john,
brother i agree i am still too young and its my age of gaining knowledge…
but something based on logic doesnt require age basis… it can be proved by ani one…
and Alhamdullillah i am raised in good culture as it shows ,while i am able to decline the falsehood mentioned by mr. sina…
statements like dat are not meaningless but are misunderstood…
i can demonstrate it easily.. 🙂
the countries are not muslim or non muslim… dey are countries… witout ani religion…
dont feel bad… but i wud like to advice u to go through the history very well… to know the reasons …
along with that… u are telling "state of muslim countries…" are they following islam correctli…? hw can u just tag anione as muslim…
so den according to u whcih country currentli is the best… fair and sincere … prescribed perfect rules and regulations…
huh brother such questions are irrelevant to religion… if it is so… den britain bcmes the worse to invade india… portugal bcmes verse to invade india.. etc… dey werent muslims…
modi bcmes the verse to destroy ppl of gujarat… NOT HINDUISM … bcoz its not a hindu practice…
so therefore ur argument is just a personal hatred not a logical statement…
aniways i respect ur knowledge but more pertaining to Quran wud lead u to the right path…
nothing so strange brother…
as i always said his claims have no base… its all illogical…
You have a very low standard of proof Mr. Riders. It is understandable because you were not raised in a knowledge-based culture, but it is time for you to rise above it and better yourself.
Statements like "Islam is far better and superior to humanity" are meaningless because you cannot demonstrate that it is, but we can demonstrate that it isn't. Look at the horrible state of Muslim countries. If Islam was good, they would be the best countries, but Islam is not good, and those countries are not good as a consequence.
Hi Riders,
You have a strange view of alchemy regarding transforming truth into falsehood. It's a strange and confusing world you live in when you can read Muhammad's pathological writings and call them falsehood.
i think the site faithfreedom is blokd here,..
can you send me ur book personalli,..like on email or anithing…?
oh my brother i am not using aniones theory … i am just telling what has been proved…
never mind lets all that proved things go somewher …
but but but… u are sureli interpreting da verses in ur own personal way … am i not rite broda…?
moon emits reflected light…dis is wt said in Quran…
mayb u onli know dat meaning of noor …
i have no pblm to agree wid what you say… but its all ur interpretations not logical… but still i am happy to meet you … and put forward … either u will or i will seek the truth… and falsehood will perish…
and if you believe in atheist den brother sadli u are being ungrateful to ur creator… its ezee to be an atheist u know… but being muslims having strong faith on the UnSEEN Allah… we dont say we dint see god so we dont blieve… seriousli crap…
aniways i have already read ur debates … except criticizing prophet muhammad u do nothing else…
mayb we can have a better one than those you experienced before…
and i would like to know what your so called religion of Humanity says… 🙂
Islam is far better and superior to humanity…
if i interpret humanity in the wrong manner den dat doesnt mean humanity is wrong… similarli try to interpret Quran correctli den see its influence on ur heart…
If you want to prove me wrong, ask me and I will send you my book. Let us see if you can do it. I sent this book to thousands of Muslims. They never write back.
Just recently I sent it to Hijazi. He promised to show all my errors. He read a few pages and fear overtook him. He stopped reading and instead of proving me wrong sent me a link to someone who claims he has proven me wrong and I did not pay him $50,000 dollar.
No one has proven me wrong. My debates are all posted on faithfreedom.org site and a few are here. Read them and see for yourself.
Hijazi stopped reading my book and has stopped posting on this site. But can he live with a lie for ever? I don’t think so. I have sown the seed of doubt in his mind and in time it will germinate. When he is ready he will go back and will read the book and he will leave Islam.
Obviously you believe in Naik’s lies. The Quran does not say earth is egg shape. Naik is lying. It says it is spread like a bed. Mehad is bed and beds are flat.
There is not a single scientific verse in the Quran. Everything you were told is a lie.
Naik says noor is reflected light, because the Quran says the moon emits light. This is another lie. That man is only a shameless liar. Noor means light.
Please read my book The World’s Greatest Showman and see that everything Naik says is a lie. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli…
brother when scientifically Quran is proved right u arent believing … wt u will believe moon is square…
and good point dat facts are facts… it wont change even if u interpret it in ani wrong manner… 🙂
not some one said the earth is round brother…
its clearli mentioned in the Quran that the earth is spherical shaped…compared to an ostrich egg which is now agreed totalli by the scientists…
sureli a true muslim can do dat…
no one has proven u wrong or u dint want to be proved wrong…
aniways … i sureli think i can … and now u may say mani said this as i am saying…
but i dont care y u think no one can defeat falsehood… Am der to do dat and by Allah's help sureli i will…
Hi Rider,
If someone can prove scientifically that the moon is square then it is square even though you see is round. Our perception can deceive us but facts are facts. There was a time that everyone thought the Earth is flat, but someone said it is round. What he said was contrary to commonsense and people’s belief. But he was right because he based his claim on facts.
I base by claim about Islam on facts. And I invite Muslims to prove me wrong. If what I say is twisting the truth it should be easy to catch them and expose my deception, or errors. But it hasn’t been easy. No one has done it. Do you think you can?
Hi Riders,
You can be anything you want to be, just not Muslim. Dr. Sina has chosen atheism, or secular humanism. I can understand being wary of religion after being burned by Islam. Others have spiritual experiences and choose Christianity. Others choose Hinduism or Buddhism. Anything that is peaceful and sincere is an acceptable alternative to Islam. The search for truth is personal, and only you can evaluate the various beliefs and determine what is right. I have chosen Mormon Christianity. Many hate it and many admire it.
The main thing is that your reading of the Quran and Hadith has not been structured. This is an artifact of the Quran being scrambled by placing the Suras in order of length instead of chronology. By studying Dr. Sina's work, you will see the Quran as it unfolds historically. Dr. Sina does not convert the truth, he only presents the truth. If you call Dr. Sina a liar, you call Muhammad a liar. If you are not a coward, read Understanding Muhammad. You will be glad you did for the rest of your life. I guarantee it. You won't know how to thank Dr. Sina enough.
John
John ,
Thanks brother for showing concern… well i have seen his debate and didnt find anithing logical infact i didnt find anithing he quoted was from The Quran or Hadith… and whateva he had quoted was out of context which i already replied in previous comment…i found everything to be his personal bias answers …
To Know about Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) i dont need to read his book when i my self own a QURAN and HADITH … and its not kept in my cupboard for a showpiece but its read by me daily… daily in the sense not for the purpose of reading and finishing it off but for the purpose of understanding and i dont think its complicated or difficult to understand …
well when u are saying dat i shud read through his book "understanding Muhammed" … inshallah i will go through it to see how he has converted the truth into falsehood…
but brother its same like as if a blind person is telling evryone that the moon is square…
by dis i mean he doesnt know the truth firstli and secondly its his own intrepretation of moon which is but wrong… similar to Mr.Sina about Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) …
And why do u think only u have found those mistakes whereas others were sleeping untill now… ? or is it just that u are putting forward ur hatred against Islam in this manner… aniways never mind its our job to show you the true path which we will surely…
So you tell dat after reading the book i wont be a muslim again… so wt do u want me to be in ur opinion…?
Dear Riders,
I am sorry your knowledge of Islam is so superficial that you are not familiar with the citations from the Quran, Hadith and Sira that show that Muhammad was a criminal murderer, robber, and rapist as well as a fraud inventing Allah as a supporter of his criminal behavior. I would invite you to get familiar with the Quran, Hadith, and Sira by studying the articles on this site, but more especially by asking Dr. Sina for a free copy of his book, Understanding Muhammad:
http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/
I guarantee that after reading what the Quran, Hadith, and Sira say about Muhammad, you will never be a Muslim again.
You must understand that the things you are saying about Islam are not true. You are like the blind man coming to the hospital and telling all the doctors that they are blind. You cannot be helped if you do not realize that you need help. You will find all the information you are asking for in this site and in Dr. Sina's book.
Good luck with your studies,
John
Salam Brother …
I have read it… its very interesting…and u have made good effort in tranforming the truth into falsehood …
aniways the verses which u quoted from the Quran were out of context … by dis i mean either u purposely ignored da previous and next verses of dat Surah or forgot to read them …
its so clearli mentioned in the previous verses dat , If the non believers fight you for your faith only den u fight … ders no wher in the Quran Written that we shud fight without ani reason…
and the reason is also not "jihad" .. Jihad is not related to fighting at all if you misunderstood dat term….
Infact Quran says in the same chapter which u quoted :
"And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not." (9:6)
And brother you dont provide ani proper proof for ur statements and u want proofs of what… ?
Muhammed himself didnt hav a dream to spread the message of peace… It was Allah who chose him from among the people of that time… the reason is with Allah why he chose him… but the examples we get are sufficient that he deserved to be our prophet… from the Sahih hadith..
while u are talking bout sects in islam den … i tell u … A muslim is one who believes in Quran and lives according to Sunnah of prophet(pbuh) … it doesnt matter how many sects there are in Islam.. sureli dey are all misled in proving one superior over other… BUT does Quran teaches dis…?? certainly not … brother u are mistaken the verses of Quran by intrepreting it in your own manner… see the background of when these verses weree revealed and wt do dey actually mean… Inshallah you will sureli find the true path…
I hope i will recieve a gud repli from you Mr sina…
along with dat u can answer me one more thing.. if you really are against the relegion Islam so much den wt do u think we shud follow ani reccomends from ur side … ? i hope you wont repli me to be an atheist as its illogical… 😛
Thanks…
I am reading it bro .. inshallah will reply to u soon… 🙂
Hi Rider,
Muhammad’s description of God is very primitive. Please see this debate and read specially the last part of it. http://alisina.org/maulana-ajmal-qadri-vs-ali-sina/
You will see Islam is blasphemy.
Brother John ,
I cudnt find anithing wt he said in our holy book…
i just saw comments which are not a big deal… anione can comment without a proper evidence to it…
If you would hav actually learned Islam from the Quran then truly u would hav been a true bliever till now… but if you just assume that u have learned islam correctly den me as a muslim disagrees u.. not bcoz of my blind blieve bro but bcoz of my knowledge bout my religion…
u can compare the pre islamic era and post islamic era to see the difference in people and their livelihood…(islamic era i mean since muhammed came)…
though we know dat islam existed since Adam(PBUH) …
you will not agree bcoz u are against islam but dat wont change the truth….
and its clear ffrom the history that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was illiterate … so clearli he dint write the Quran… if you want to critisize some one den critisize your LORD and my LORD… who wrote it but sadly u dint understand it…
and i hope to see some proofs from quran which u can interpret correctly and den prove it wrong rather than intrepreting in ur own way with the aim of getin false notation bout it…
Islam is the and will remain the solution for humanity onli if they realize the truth…
No, Mr. Riders. There is nothing illogical here. Dr. Sina only publishes what your so-called holy books say. It's not our fault Muhammad wrote such a filthy book.
Get used to the facts. There is no Allah. Muhammad invented Allah so people would accept his criminal and lustful activities.
We don't learn Islam from a source against Islam. We learn Islam from the Quran, Hadith, and Sira. Muhammad has convicted himself of his crimes with the evidence in the books he has left us.
Nobody has to look for mistakes in the Quran, they are just there. That proves it is not a book written by a real god, because a god would make no mistakes. Open your eyes. You will never see if you choose to remain blind.
Islam is the source of the world's problems, not the solution. If Islam disappeared, the world would be a much more peaceful place.
@ non muslims
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him… (chapter 112)
is der ani chapter in ur scriptures which describes ur god the best as Islam does…
aniways dats very ezee to gain a majority and critisize a religion of what u have no knowledge about…
you keep giving examples of sme stupid people and critisize islam for dat… truly illogical…
if you learn Quran and islam from a source against islam den sureli u will onli learn what dey want u to learn (i.e hatred) …
If u truli want to learn islam .. read the quran in ur language and den try to understand it … dont read it to make out mistakes in it… coz it aint a buk written by a human dat u try to challenge it…
Islam is the only religion which has the solution of all the problems of mankind… if people dont follow it corectli blame dem not da religion… unless you know the religion from its very basic rather than reading some nonsense here…
hi i have been studying quran and islam for merely 10 or 15 days……. i cant believe that what i learned in these 2 weeks these illiterate muslims could not learn in centuries that muhammed was not a massenger of god ….. his only aim was to conquer the world and make wealth….. islam is not a religion …. it was a cunningness of muhammed to befool people to die for his empire… which god allows wars, rapes , destruction. These muslims were given hopes to serve them with virgin girls in so called jannat.If he was a god or his massenger why did he married so many girls mainly 6 year old aaisha and his adopted son s wife zainab. Islam should be banned , and all muslims should leave this so called religion which allows violence and hatered for humanity.Please be brave and atleast review once your so called religion.
dear alisina thanks for your tries to wake them.
As a Buddhist, I am horrified to consider the Muslim slaughter of monks and destruction of monasteries, and as a university student I am sickened by the destruction of the Buddhist Nalanda University by Muslim invaders around 1200CE.
this must perish, i am an indian brahmin..AND WHO ELSE BETTER THAN MY COMMUNITY HAS FACED THIS WRATH WHEN THESE MARAUDERS ATTACKED US…I SALUTE THE HEROES OF MY LAND WHO FOUGHT WITH THEM TOOTH AND NAIL BECAUSE OF WHICH I WAS ABLE TO TAKE BIRTH IN THIS NOBLE FAMILY OF SAGES ..AS WE KNOW, ISLAM MADE OTHER CIVILIZATIONS TO PERISH…
Oh please. We know that book is full of lies, so it is well named.
http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/library/allega…
“Christians aren’t trying to take over the world any less than Muslims.”
This is not true at all. Jesus was clear that his Kingdom is not of this world and he said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Jesus never formed an army, never raided or looted. He even said, shield your sword to his disciples, when the soldiers came to arrest him. Christians have taken part in politics and have been in power, but never they excluded others from it. Some Christian parties were corrupt and inept. However, they have always allowed others the right to compete. Islam is completely a different animal.
“You said Islam has no golden rule but it’s written, ‘That which you seek for yourself, seek for mankind.'”
Such a thing is not written anywhere. Show me that and I will stop this web site. How about that for a challenge? I don’t say you lie. You are simply mislead and deceived. Muhammad said Muslims should be harsh with unbelievers and not befriend them. He himself set the example. How can you reconcile what you claim with his life examples? He raided and looted people. Is that the Golden Rule? He stole their properties and raped their women. Is that how he wanted to be treated? No he tortured to death a group of Bedouins who stole his stolen camels. He did not like to be treated the way he treated others.
“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
That brotherhood does not extend to all mankind. In this sense Islam is much closer to Nazism. All fascistic ideologies emphasize brotherhood among each other. That is where the name fascism is originated. They are like a fascio or a bundle of sticks tied together so the become strong. Their strength is to be used against the outsiders.
“Also, you can’t speak of one Islam has having a single goal. There are people who want to “take over the world” in ever religion but that doesn’t represent most followers.”
We are not talking about the followers of Islam. We are talking about Islam and there is only one Islam, That is the Islam of Muhammad.
Can you hear how ridiculous this sounds? "Islam is a chameleon system of belief. It is political but it operates as religion. It is religion but it has political goal. It intrudes in personal lives of all living beings, not just its believers. Even dogs and pigs are not spared from its onslaught." You sound paranoid and crazy.
You don't seem to know much about the religion beyond what you hear on FOX news. All religions of any prominence have political dimesnions since anything can be politicized. Christians aren't trying to take over the world any less than Muslims.
You said Islam has no golden rule but it's written
"That which you seek for yourself, seek for mankind"
None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
—An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith 13
Also, you can't speak of one Islam has having a single goal. There are people who want to "take over the world" in ever religion but that doesn't represent most followers.
Forgiveness is easily freely given. Dealing with problems is not so easy.
You shouldn't be so fatalistic. If you had a mis-behaving child, would you want him to leave your home after you scolded him? You have been asked to modify behavior. You have not been asked to leave.
Hi Mr John K, don't worry, I promised Dr Ali Sina that I won't offend him any further with my presence here in Alisina.org but I came back here for the last time, just for you. Please do forgive me if you are offended by my truthful comments here. God bless.
My life is not such that I need to come to you for assistance.
Negative proof is not proof.
Proof is that which satisfies you. I have provided proof to the contrary, which you reject, so there is no further cause for discussion. Dr. Sina has asked you to refrain from attacking others here. I would appreciate such a display of mutual respect.
Namaste, and Thank you sir for your kindness and guideness i will keep your words in my mind and will talk to my friend about this issue.
Namaste, and Thank you sir for your kindness i will keep your words in my mind and will talk to my friend about this issue.
Mr John K, let me ask you another question to help you come to your senses. If I tell you that there is a heavenly mistress, will you believe me or not?
Mr John K, do you know that false prophets can also deceive their followers with false miracles and even false 'miraculous healing' because satan can also masquerade himself as angel of light? If you ask a Muslim, he'll tell you exactly what you've told me about his experiences which binds him to Islam.
My John K, please ask yourself this simple question. How can you praise and worship God with lies and not truth? Must you wait until you expired and meet face to face with our Lord Jesus, then you'll wake up and realized the fact that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that there's no heavenly mother at all?
Please do yourself a big favour. Go and grab hold of a Bible from any Christian bookstore and read and study the whole Bible. I guarantee you that Jesus Christ never ever mentioned in the Bible that there is a heavenly mother!
Mr John K, I may not have lived inside your skin or any other parts of your body to know what you've known or see what you've seen or experience what you've experienced but one thing I know is that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and he and his successors have deceived many gullible Christians like you with the book of Mormon and the pearl of great price. Muhammad bin Abdullah was also a false prophet and he had deceive many gullible Muslims and Muslimahs with all his false prophecies and his Quran. The only difference between Joseph Smith's cult and Muhammad bin Abdullah's cult is that Islam is full of hate and violent teachings.
I've proven to you the fact that Joseph Smith has lied to you about the 'heavenly' mother issue and this is only one of his lies and there are also many lies found in his manual which I've not mentioned it to you here yet.
Grace, you have not lived inside my skin to know what I have known, what I have seen, and what I have experienced. At the end of our lives, it is far more likely that you will regret what you have missed rather than I.
Mr John K, you are absolutely wrong to say that my arguments show that we are dependent on external factors to sustain our lives. It's God Who sustain us and without God, we are doomed! By the way, have you come to your senses to worship God in spirit and truth?
Dear Rohit,
Muslims leave Islam constantly. I don’t see why one has to put one into excessive tests. If a person is willing to curse Muhammad, I would imagine he or she is not a Muslim.
However, whether this girl is right for your friend or not is another issue. If she threatens to kill herself should he not love her, then she has a personality disorder. I think it is wise for your friend to delay the marriage and observe her moods. People who blackmail have some sort of personality disorder. Possessiveness is not love; it is symptom of insecurity and lack of maturity. Need and love are two different things.
If the air and oxygen was specifically created for the humans for a simple reason that one fine day we would realise, believe and then start thanking the God for its creation then I would like to remind that this oxygen or air unfortunately have some very thankless beneficiaries on this planet earth also.
Birds, Cats, dogs, rabbits, tigers, lions, bears and essentially the entire animal kingdom, the diversity of which cannot be compared to the humans.
I would hope that someone now would not come back championing the judgement day for Islam where in the founder proved his intellect wherein he included the animals, trees and even idols for the process of judgement day.
Unfortunately, we humans are the last to taste this air or oxygen in the entire chain of evolution.
Mr. Ali Sina Namaste, I have a Friend who is in love with a Muslim Girl, but frankly speaking the gurl loves her deeply and even she threatens him to Commit Suicide if he ever leave her. so i told my friend what these creature Muslim are and how they betrayed their loved ones when it comes to Islam, so he taked her test by telling her the truth about so called Prophet and when she heard the truth she was almost ready to Cry, and even she Abused Prophet for her deeds and she is ready to convert into Humanity ( Hinduism).. So would you plz, tell me weather we should take more tests to comform that she really dont care about Islam and really wants my friend , you can give answer through mai… Waiting For your rply.. thnx.. Namaste..
The reason he says they are logical fallacies is because your arguments show that we are dependent on external factors to sustain our lives, but they do not prove the source of the dependence.
"tell me if this god was created by any other supreme entity or just evolved or was just out there without beginning nor end."
Intelligence is co-eternal with matter, and like matter, can be neither created nor destroyed.
Hello Mr Arya Anand, you may wish to know that I'm confident and sure that I'm definitely not a fool because a fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” My beloved hero, Dr Ali Sina should know by now if he is a fool or not. 🙂
Mr Arya Anand, I couldn't believe my eyes when you said that "All your parables or even so called proofs for existence of god like we cannot live without breathing air, are just logical fallacies."
Excuse me, Mr Arya Anand, are you a human being or an alien? Everybody here know that we cannot live without breathing air. Why don't you try stop breathing air now and see if you will live or die? How could you say that it's a logical fallacy and not the truth?
Hello Agracean, you are freely calling any one fool if he/she does not agree with your blind belief in a personal god especially a mortal Jesus. I wonder how you think you are not a fool. All your parables or even so called proofs for existence of god like we cannot live without breathing air, are just logical fallacies. If you think the vast universe and all those that exist in it could not have evolved but must have been created by a personal intelligent god, then tell me if this god was created by any other supreme entity or just evolved or was just out there without beginning nor end.
Dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, I disagree with you that faith is irrational and wonder how can a knowledgeable man like you became so stupid all of a sudden! Let me ask you some super duper simple questions. Can you see air with your naked eyes? Do you have to remind yourself that you need to breathe every second to stay alive on this troublesome planet earth?
So, the naked truth is that you can't see air at all but you knew that it exists and you took it for granted and by faith, you just breathe freely like any fool, without thanking your loving Creator God for His provision of this fresh air that keeps you alive. That's why fools are irrational and hypocritical. Maybe I should encourage all those stubborn fools to have the basic courtesy to stop breathing now, since they refused to acknowledge my loving Creator God Who is the One Who provides them air to breathe and live! LOL.
It's your choice, my dear hero. You can believe in your Bugs Bunny and practice your religion till you reach your expiry date but you know in your heart of hearts that one day, you 'll have to wake up and face the blatant truth and the Author of the Golden Rule. No point fooling others and most importantly, your good self with your Bugs Bunny religion because life is short and soon, everything, including all your good works on planet earth will pass away. That's why it's meaningless. Why not spend some of your precious time on planet earth to seek the absolute truth, for it is spirit and life to you and help your neighbours to realize that life is all about a love relationship between us and our loving Creator God.
Dear rationalist and atheist hero, Dr Ali Sina, please bear in mind the word 'religion' is just a metaphor. But don't you know the fact that truth is truth and lie is lie and that truth will never ever reach an agreement with lies?
Let me explain to help you understand this simple truth. Isn't it true that your beloved Iranian parents gave birth to you in Iran? So, you must agree with me that no human being on this planet earth can deny this absolute truth at all. If some charlatans come along and told you that you were not born in Iran but in China or India or Japan, will you believe those lies? So, it applies to 'religion' too. There will never be an agreement between truth and lies at all.
I have enjoyed reading Rebecca's well-developed analysis of the issues. In reference to her commentary on the Murfreesboro mosque case, I wonder why our authorities don't dig this deep to find the answers instead of basing decisions on superficial concepts?
Bill Warner simply defines the religious side of Islam as that which Muslims must do to get to heaven, and the political side as what it says about dealings with non-Muslims. To the extent that Islam treats political, military, and social systems, it is not a religion and should not be afforded the protections given to religion. To the extent that religious duties encourage violence and other crimes, it is criminal. To the extent it advocates overthrow of our government, it is seditious and subversive.
Ali Sina has also provided a thorough look at the nature of religion in his comments in this article. Generally we think of religion as a system that seeks to understand the nature of life and the universe whether it is via a God as in Judeo-Christianity or via a metaphysical concept such as in Buddhism. In this sense Einstein said that he is deeply religious concerning his view of the universe.
A relgious system may have a metaphysical component and an ethical component, the latter of which deals with issues of proper human behavior.
Faith is not necessarily irrational. Faith means dealing with issues which cannot be known in the scientific world. The response can be irrational or rational, as in the case of Einstein’s faith.