Mariyah, the Sex Slave of the Holy Prophet
Mariyah the Coptic sex slave of Muhammad
The following is Muhammad’s scandalous love affair with Mariyah the Copt who was one of the prophet’s wives’ maids. Muhammad slept with her without any ceremony, which caused uproar among his wives and had to be settled through the “Divine intervention.” This story is recorded in an authenticated Hadith and is reported by Omar.
This Hadith is describing the reason for the revelation of the quranic verse 66: 4.
If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels – will back (him) up.
Omar explains that these two women were Hafsa and Aisha who became disrespectful of the prophet causing him grief until he thought of divorcing all of his wives. Here is the full story.
Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas:
I had been eager to ask ‘Umar about the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said (in the Qur’an saying): If you two (wives of the Prophet namely Aisha and Hafsa) turn in repentance to Allah your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes) (66.4), till performed the Hajj along with ‘Umar (and on our way back from Hajj) he went aside (to answer the call of nature) and I also went aside along with him carrying a tumbler of water. When he had answered the call of nature and returned. I poured water on his hands from the tumbler and he performed ablution. I said, “O Chief of the believers! ‘ Who were the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet to whom Allah said:
‘If you two return in repentance (66.4)? He said, “I am astonished at your question, O Ibn ‘Abbas. They were Aisha and Hafsa.”
Then ‘Umar went on relating the narration and said.
“I and an Ansari neighbor of mine from Bani Umaiya bin Zaid who used to live in ‘Awali Al-Medina, used to visit the Prophet in turns. He used to go one day, and I another day. When I went I would bring him the news of what had happened that day regarding the instructions and orders and when he went, he used to do the same for me. We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back. She said, ‘Why do you take it ill that I retort upon you? By Allah, the wives of the Prophet retort upon him, and some of them may not speak with him for the whole day till night.’ What she said scared me and I said to her, ‘Whoever amongst them does so, will be a great loser.’ Then I dressed myself and went to Hafsa and asked her, ‘Does any of you keep Allah’s Apostle angry all the day long till night?’ She replied in the affirmative. I said, ‘She is a ruined losing person (and will never have success)! Doesn’t she fear that Allah may get angry for the anger of Allah’s Apostle and thus she will be ruined? Don’t ask Allah’s Apostle too many things, and don’t retort upon him in any case, and don’t desert him. Demand from me whatever you like, and don’t be tempted to imitate your neighbor (i.e. ‘Aisha) in her behavior towards the Prophet), for she (i.e. Aisha) is more beautiful than you, and more beloved to Allah’s Apostle.
In those days it was rumored that Ghassan, (a tribe living in Sham) was getting prepared their horses to invade us. My companion went (to the Prophet on the day of his turn, went and returned to us at night and knocked at my door violently, asking whether I was sleeping. I was scared (by the hard knocking) and came out to him. He said that a great thing had happened. I asked him: What is it? Have Ghassan come? He replied that it was worse and more serious than that, and added that Allah’s Apostle had divorced all his wives. I said, Hafsa is a ruined loser! I expected that would happen some day.’ So I dressed myself and offered the Fajr prayer with the Prophet. Then the Prophet entered an upper room and stayed there alone. I went to Hafsa and found her weeping. I asked her, ‘Why are you weeping? Didn’t I warn you? Have Allah’s Apostle divorced you all?’ She replied, ‘I don’t know. He is there in the upper room.’ I then went out and came to the pulpit and found a group of people around it and some of them were weeping. Then I sat with them for some time, but could not endure the situation. So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his: “Will you get the permission of (Allah’s Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, ‘I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.’ So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again and said: “Will you get he permission for Umar? He went in and brought the same reply as before. When I was leaving, behold, the slave called me saying, “Allah’s Apostle has granted you permission.” So, I entered upon the Prophet and saw him lying on a mat without wedding on it, and the mat had left its mark on the body of the Prophet, and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing, I said: “Have you divorced your wives?’ He raised his eyes to me and replied in the negative. And then while still standing, I said chatting: “Will you heed what I say, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! We, the people of Quraish used to have the upper hand over our women (wives), and when we came to the people whose women had the upper hand over them…”
‘Umar told the whole story (about his wife). “On that the Prophet smiled.” ‘Umar further said, “I then said, ‘I went to Hafsa and said to her: Do not be tempted to imitate your companion (‘Aisha) for she is more beautiful than you and more beloved to the Prophet.’ The Prophet smiled again. When I saw him smiling, I sat down and cast a glance at the room, and by Allah, I couldn’t see anything of importance but three hides. I said (to Allah’s Apostle) “Invoke Allah to make your followers prosperous for the Persians and the Byzantines have been made prosperous and given worldly luxuries, though they do not worship Allah?’ The Prophet was leaning then (and on hearing my speech he sat straight) and said, ‘O Ibn Al-Khatttab! Do you have any doubt (that the Hereafter is better than this world)? These people have been given rewards of their good deeds in this world only.’ I asked the Prophet . ‘Please ask Allah’s forgiveness for me. The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to ‘Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Mariyah). When twenty-nine days had passed, the Prophet went to Aisha first of all. She said to him, ‘You took an oath that you would not come to us for one month, and today only twenty-nine days have passed, as I have been counting them day by day.’ The Prophet said, ‘The month is also of twenty-nine days.’ That month consisted of twenty-nine days. ‘Aisha said, ‘When the Divine revelation of Choice was revealed, the Prophet started with me, saying to me, ‘I am telling you something, but you needn’t hurry to give the reply till you can consult your parents.” ‘Aisha knew that her parents would not advise her to part with the Prophet . The Prophet said that Allah had said:–
‘O Prophet! Say To your wives; If you desire The life of this world And its glitter, … then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free In a handsome manner. But if you seek Allah And His Apostle, and The Home of the Hereafter, then Verily, Allah has prepared For the good-doers amongst you A great reward.’ (33.28) ‘Aisha said, ‘Am I to consult my parents about this? I indeed prefer Allah, His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter.’ After that the Prophet gave the choice to his other wives and they also gave the same reply as ‘Aisha did.”
This hadith is reported also in Muslim 9.3511, and Bukhari 3.43.648,7.62.119
It is significant as it contains two important historic points. First it reveals, by Omar’s own admission, that “Ansari women had the upper hand over their men”. Even if we consider that to be an exaggeration, it is clear that women in Medina had more rights and authority than their Quraishy counterparts. Mecca, the home of the Quraish tribe, where Omar and Muhammad came from was a religious hub. People living in religious towns are more bigots than those living in other cities. Religion has always played a role in subjugating women and taking away their human rights. So it is natural that women in Mecca were more subdued than those living anywhere else in Arabia and especially Medina that was a more cosmopolitan city having civilized nations like Jews and Christians as its inhabitants. Omar’s and Muhammad’s wives came to like this emancipating atmosphere and wanted to exercise their relative freedom. This, did not sit well with the two misogynist men of Mecca, namely Omar and Muhammad, and as this Hadith demonstrates they were alarmed by their wives’ newfound liberties.
The importance of this Hadith is in the fact that it proves women prior to Islam had much more freedom, which were taken away from them by Muhammad and his misogynistic successors. It becomes also clear that the deplorable status of women in Islam is not a divine verdict, but to a great extent a reflection of how women were treated in Mecca 1400 years ago.
The fact that there is so much emphasis in the Quran and the hadith about the importance of women being obedient to their husbands is indeed an indication of Muhammad’s own desire to control his young and rebellious wives.
This hadith is that it reveals yet another sexual scandal of the prophet.
One-day Muhammad goes to the house of his wife, Hafsa daughter of Omar and finds her maid Mariyah attractive. He decides to get rid of Hafsa so he can be alone with Mariyah. He lies to her saying her father Omar has called for her. When Hafsa leaves, Muhammad takes Mariyah to bed and has intercourse with her. Resisting for Mariyah would have been unthinkable. She was a slave girl away from her family and Muhammad was the law in that town. So technically, Muhammad raped Mariyah.
Meanwhile, Hafsa who had found out that her father had not send for her and was not expecting her returns home sooner than expected and to her chagrin finds her illustrious husband in bed with her maid.
She becomes hysterical and forgetting the station of the prophet she shouts and causes a scandal. The prophet pleads with her to calm down and promises not to sleep with Mariyah again. He begs her also not to divulge this secret to anyone else.
However, Hafsa who was unable to control herself relays everything to her friend Aisha and the two teens confabulate with their other co-wives and cause the “Mercy of Allah of Earth” much anguish. The “Mercy of Allah” decides to punish all his wives and declares that he is not going to sleep with any one of them for one month. This is second level of punishment recommended in the Quran. The first level is admonishing them and the third level is corporal punishment. Q. 4: 34.
When a man decides to punish a wife with sexual deprivation he can satisfy himself with his other wives. But Muhammad’s anger had made him make the oath not to sleep with any of them for one month. That of course would have been too much hardship for the beloved messenger of God (peace be upon his immaculate soul). Do God in his mercy came to the aid of his prophet and revealed the Surah Tahrim (Banning). In this Surah Allah rebukes his prophet for being so harsh to himself and for depriving himself from what he really likes, which has been made “lawful” for him, in order to please his wives.
1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3. And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. ‘Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: “Who told you this?” He said: “The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me”.
4. If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely ‘Aishah and Hafsah turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh’s sake), previously married and virgins.(Q. 66:1-5)
Although Muhammad gave his word to Hafsam not to have sex with her maid he could not resist the temptation. He had savored the sweetness of her forbidden fruit and had to have his fill. This became more urgent since he had taken another oath not to sleep with all of his wives. How could the “Best of creation” not have sex for one whole month?
This was a difficult situation and no one but Allah could help him. Well, nothing is impossible when Allah is right in your pants. Leave everything in the hands of your “almighty” friend and let him take care of it.
Was Muhammad inspired by God or by his lust?
That is exactly what happened. Allah himself intervened and gave his prophet the green light to follow his heart’s desire. In the sura Tahrim Allah licenses his beloved prophet to have his flings with Mariyah and not pay attention to his wives. What can a prophet ask more? Allah was so concerned about Muhammad’s carnal pleasures that he even allowed ALL MEN to break their oaths as “a bounty.” Alhamdulillah! Subhanallah. Isn’t Allah great?
It is also worthy of mention that Muhammad who came to know Hafsa had revealed his secret to Aisha, lied again and said that it was Allah who informed him (verse 3) wheras it was Aisha who told him. But of course Muhammad is not the author of the Quran. It is Allah himself who is lying for his prophet.
In this sura Muhammad portrays the maker of the universe as a pimp, a gossiper and a liar – all that to cover up his own depravity and adultery.
In reaction to the above verses, Aisha, who was not only young and pretty, but also clever, is reported to have said to Muhammad, “Your God indeed rushes in coming to your aid!”
The above story must have been also embarrassing for Muhammad’s followers even when they gobbled mindlessly everything he told them. To conceal his lewdness they made up other hadiths to explain away those verses of the Quran that were already explained by Omar.
Muslim 9: 3496
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrated that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) used to spend time with Zainab daughter of Jahsh and drank honey at her house. She (‘A’isha further) said: I and Hafsa agreed that one whom Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) would visit first should say: I notice that you have an odour of the Maghafir (gum of mimosa). He (the Holy Prophet) visited one of them and she said to him like this, whereupon he said: I have taken honey in the house of Zainab bint Jabsh and I will never do it again. It was at this (that the following verse was revealed): ‘Why do you hold to be forbidden what Allah has made lawful for you… (up to). If you both (‘A’isha and Hafsa) turn to Allah” up to:” And when the Holy Prophet confided an information to one of his wives” (lxvi. 3). This refers to his saying: But I have taken honey.
The existence of the above Hadith and its difference with the one narrated by Omar reveals yet another fact that the companions of Muhammad were willing to lie, (as Muslims are today) to save the image of their prophet from blemish. It would be foolish to accept the story of drinking honey to justify the sura Tahrim. Honey does not smell bad. But above all it is inconceivable that a trivial incident like drinking honey could cause such an upheaval in the household of Muhammad to the extent that he decides to divorce all of his wives or to punish them for one month by not sleeping with them. Could such an insignificant incident like drinking honey provoke so much uproar that would require the intervention of Allah with a warning to Muhammad’s wives that he would divorce all of them and He (Allah) would give him virgin and faithful wives? This explanation is absurd unless honey is a code name for what Muhammad drank from between the legs of Mariyah.
Several Muslims have claimed that the Hadiths quoted above narrated by Abdullah bin ‘Abbas are false and the correct version is the one about honey. This is nonsense. This hadith is recorded by both Bukahri and by Muslim. Furthermore it is the only logical explanation of the sha’ne nozool (context) of the Sura Tharim. According to Muslim scholar Asif Iftikhar “a Hadith can be regarded as a source of religious guidance only `if the basis of that Hadith exists in the Quran or the Sunnah or the established principles.” The Quran allows having sex with the “right hand possessions” i.e. slaves (Q. 4:24) and it was Muhammad’s habit to have sex with his slave women. The text of the Sura makes it also clear that it is about having sex and not eating honey, which is a silly explanation. Asif Iftikhar writes, “Imam Ibni Ali Jauzee is reported to have said: “If you find a Hadith against the dictates of common sense or contrary to a universal rule, consider it a fabrication.”
The story of honey is ludicrous and makes no sense. Why so much ado about honey? And which honey smells bad? In fact it honey is mildly fragrant. This hadith has been forged because obviously even in those early days, Muslims felt embarrassed about the actions of their prophet. However, the hadiths about Muhammad lying to Hafsa to get rid of her so he could have sex with Mariyah makes perfect sense. It is in accordance with the Quran and in conformity with Muhammad’s depravity of conduct. It was not unusual for Muhammad to solicit sex from women whom he found attractive.
This story is also reported by Ibn Sa’d in Tabaqat:
Waqidi has informed us that Abu Bakr has narrated that the messenger of Allah (PBUH) had sexual intercourse with Mariyah in the house of Hafsah. When the messenger came out of the house, Hafsa was sitting at the gate (behind the locked door). She told the prophet, O Messenger of Allah, do you do this in my house and during my turn? The messenger said, control yourself and let me go because I make her haram to me. Hafsa said, I do not accept, unless you swear for me. That Hazrat (his holiness) said, by Allah I will not contact her again. Qasim ibn Muhammad has said that this promise of the Prophet that had forbidden Mariyyah to himself is invalid – it does not become a violation (hormat). [Tabaqat v. 8 p. 223 Publisher Entesharat-e Farhang va Andisheh Tehran1382 solar h ( 2003) Translator Dr. Mohammad Mahdavi Damghani]
Qasim ibn Muhammad of course tries to find justification for Muhammad’s breach of his own promise. If his words had no validity why he gave them and if they were valid why he broke them?
My copy of the Qunan contains the following tafseer side by side with the Sura Tahrim.
Also it is reported that the Prophet had divided his days among his wives. And when it was the turn of Hafsa, he sent her for an errand to the house of her father Omar Khattab. When she took this order and went, the prophet called his slave girl Mariyah the Copt who bore his son Ibrahim, and who was a gift from the king Najashi and had sexual intercourse with her. When Hafsa returned, she found the door locked. So she sat there behind that locked door until the prophet finished the business and came out of the house while pleasure[?] was dripping from his face. When Hafsa found him in that condition she rebuked him saying you did not respect my honor; you sent me out of my house with an excuse so you could sleep with the slave girl. And in the day that was my turn you had intercourse with someone else. Then the Prophet said, be quiet for although she is my slave and halal to me, for your contentment I at this moment make her haram to myself. But Hafsa did not do this and when the Prophet went out of her house she knocked at the wall that separated her room from that of Aisha and told her everything. She also gave the glad tiding about what the Prophet had promised about making Mariyah haram to himself.[Published by Entesharat-e Elmiyyeh Eslami Tehran 1377 lunar H. Tafseer and translation into Farsi by Mohammad Kazem Mo’refi]
Mariyah was a white Coptic young woman and very beautiful. She bore Ibrahim to Muhammad. I had my doubt about Ibrahim being Muhammad’s son. As per my research, Muhammad, during the last years of his life was suffering from acromegaly. One side-effect of this degenerative disease is impotence. He had erectile dysfunction. Note that Muhammad had six children with Khadijah who was already frothy years old when she married him, but no children with more than twenty young women with whom he had sex in the last ten years of his life. There are hadiths that show he actually did not have intercourse with his wives, but “fondled” them, and often he would go from one wife to another in one night touching them and playing with them, “drinking their honey,” but not having intercourse. (For more details about Muhammad’s sex life see my book Understanding Muhammad).
Another hadith says the Prophet used to “imagine having sex” when in reality he did not.
Bukhari Vol. 7: 71:660:
Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not .”
Aisha has also said “none of you have the self control of the Prophet for he could fondle his wives but not have intercourse” The young and inexperienced woman did not realize that her illustrious husband was not controlling himself; he simply could not do it. Cialis and Viagra were not yet invented.
However, there was a hole in my theory. If Muhammad was impotent how could he sire Ibrahim? I suspected that the child could have belonged to someone else, but had no evidence to prove it. I finally got the evidence. The same Tabaqat, when talking about Mariyah says that there was a Coptic man in Medina (the person who accompanied her from Egypt to Medina) who used to visit Mariyah and rumor circulated that he was her lover.
After the brawl with his wives, Muhammad relocated Mariyah to a garden to the North of Medina. There he could visit her without being accosted by his wives. This situation provided ample opportunity for Mariyah’s lover to sneak in her house without being noticed. But someone must have seen him entering Mriyah’s house and the rumor reached Muhammad who sent Ali to kill the Coptic man. The story says that the man exposed himself and Ali upon seeing he was an eunuch spared his life.
Apparently, this was a convenient alibi to silence the crowd. Also Aisha was accused of having an affair with Safwan a young man living in Medina. Later she claimed that Safwan was eunuch. This affair caused also a huge scandal which vexed Muhammad for over a month until Allah had to intervene and testify on behalf of Aisha. So how no one know that Safwan was a eunuch?
The story is clearly forged. How could this Coptic man know why Ali wanted to kill him for him to show his male organ (or lack of it) as soon as he saw Ali? Ibn Sa’d, the author of Tabaqat says, he saw Ali with his sword in his hand and climbed a date tree with fear and from there he exposed his private parts (awrat). No conversation is exchanged. The man simply knew why Ali is coming towards him and that he wants to kill him. This does not sound a true story. Why would a messenger of God want to kill an innocent man and how did this man know why Ali wants to kill him? Looks like this Coptic man had a better understanding of the unknown than the prophet of Allah.
Bukhari 2.018.153 Says that “The sun eclipsed in the life-time of Allah’s Apostle on the day when (his son) Ibrahim died. So the people said that the sun had eclipsed because of the death of Ibrahim. Allah’s Apostle said, “The sun and the moon do not eclipse because of the death or life (i.e. birth) of some-one. When you see the eclipse pray and invoke Allah.”
Bukhari 2.018.154 adds,
when the sun eclipsed he [Muhammad] led the people in prayer,… by then the sun (eclipse) had cleared. He delivered the Khutba (sermon) and after praising and glorifying Allah he said, “The sun and the moon are two signs against the signs of Allah; they do not eclipse on the death or life of anyone. So when you see the eclipse, remember Allah and say Takbir, pray and give Sadaqa.” The Prophet then said, “O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! There is none who has more ghaira (self-respect – honor) than Allah as He has forbidden that His slaves, male or female commit adultery (illegal sexual intercourse). O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! If you knew that which I know you would laugh little and weep much.
Ghaira is the very thing for which Muslims commit honor killing. If you look at a Muslim’s wife or daughter, his ghaira (roughly translated as honor) is injured. If he does not react, it shows that he has little ghaira. The greater is his ghaira the more violent will be his reaction.
The discussion about adultery at this occasion is quite revealing. Why would Muhammad talk about adultery, of all things, in the unreal of his son? It’s not that hard to imagine that he was thinking about it and perhaps knew Ibrahim was not his son. In this sermon Muhammad talks about Allah having a lot of ghaira and then speaks of prohibition of adultery. He concludes by saying he knows of very sad things that others don’t know. Well, it took 1400 years, but I think we have finally discovered those “sad things.”
Another point to bear in mind is that despite the fact the Mariyah was the only women who bore Muhammad a child, he did not marry her. Why would not he marry the mother of his only son?
Bukhari 2.018.161 in another version of this hadith says. “Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Abbas:
“The Prophet then said, “The sun and the moon are two of the signs of Allah. They eclipse neither because of the death of somebody nor because of his life (i.e. birth). So when you see them, remember Allah.” The people say, “O Allah’s Apostle! We saw you taking something from your place and then we saw you retreating.” The Prophet replied, “I saw Paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women.” The people asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! Why is it so?” The Prophet replied, “Because of their ungratefulness.” It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, “They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say, ‘I have never had any good from you.’ “
In the funeral of his only son Muhammad does not speak about him. The man who thought it is unfair to say God has only daughters when men can boast with having sons, has lost his only son, but on the day of his death he chooses to speak about adultery and the punishment awaiting women who are ungrateful to their husband. That is quite revealing.
What I've concluded from all this is that our prophet BPUH was a real stud!
O-M-G….. this is interesting. gotta read more .
I'm new to this sight too.
am so happy our prophet peace be upon him enjoyed his life with all women he desired !
It is funny how atheist say there is no God! For I myself was one..
I have no religion,nor am I rwligious,all I know is the truth,of
Being put to this test of life! Yes all atheist believe in no God but themselves
:|…even if someone died and came back to life and told you,like I have just said in my post…and still you will not believe in my words??! Then you dear brother will blame no one but yourself for being ignorant!! Do not go spreading what you thinknyou know,for your human wisdom is not even close to God's foolishness!!! Word of advice!?..know what you talk about. Concerning God! Rather then asuming!
Boy oh boy,I feel sorry for all that defy my/our God! Yes OUR GOD! You just know Him YET!! In time,you will KNOW Him,hopefully you will know Him before He comes! Carefully what comes out of your mouth regarding the Holy ONE! When it comes to God it is personal to me! So please…may you come to know HIM!
No wonder all muslim people and I mean all, are so uptight,rude,Islams is the work of the devil!…and mohammad( I lowercase his name because,he will get what is coming to him,by the Alimighty God of creation,for misleading a lot of human beings! It's truly sad,when most of islam followers that grew up knowing islam,the only religion they had from upbringing..BUT.. Even though?! For living in such a way of life and abiding by such reckless,abusing,shameful way is just PITY!!! …the devil have put his scales on their eyes and have blinded them to the light and truth!!! There is no divine love in their midst! Just pure LUST and EVIL…blind mice being led to a trap..the gate of hell awaits those that are refusing the divine ways of Almighty God!
If people want to know the " TRUTH" about GOD,the only ONE TRUE GOD who created heaven,earth and all that live, move and breath?!…ask me I know HIM.
The only way to get to the HOLY ONE is through the SON!…." JESUS "
God is love…there is no darkness in Him….
Mankind fell to sin because of that first man Adam!
And mankind will once again be a Holy People in the sight of God!
Jesus won the victory,He conquered death…and had redeemed us.."YES!" US..all of mankind back to his God and Father,by the sacrificial of his prescious blood!
When you truly believe it,you will be assured with the promised Holy Spirit send by God the Father himself!
All my life I have been serching for the truth,about God! I found out in my journey in life when I died and came back to life!
Well I didn't see Jesus in the spirit realm,but I was judged,spoken to and was revealed the Grace of the Holy Spirit!
Now,whoever,except this testimony of mine,all I can say is,don't thank me,but you will be praising the Father of Creation,our God and only God,bless be His Holy name,from forever to forever He remains the same,there is none like Him,never have and never will be,I praise you Lord of Glory in my words,my heart,mind,body and soul…
Brothers and sisters in truth…I urge you,by the love of God oir Father,the only one all should call Father,I tell you and warn you all…..
I heard the voice of the Holy One!..and when I heard His voice,I thought I would melt..I trembled with fear,because He was angry with me and judeged me for all the bad things I have sad and done! Later on,He spoke again to me with love…
My spirit have never felt such love!…
When I came back to the world..my life was never the same anymore..the remaining of my days,I vowed,to dedicate my remaining useless life to do something useful…I offered my heart and soul to God..I know it could never be enough to repay back his love and merciful..and faithfulness!!
Be alert! Be very careful where you lead your spirits to dwell!
The devil is very angry and furious knowing He has but a little time left,so he is roaming around to devour all those who are trying to go to the light!
Don't be fooled and decieved! Wake up! This world is soon to be passed away! But the "word of God endures forever!
Even most people confessing they are of Jesus Christ and are not abiding by truth,because they do not have the Holy Spirit!..they are wolves in sheep clothing!…being a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ is not a religion,but a relationship! A relationship with Almighty God through. And He communicates through the Holy Spirit!
If you want to save your souls away take,salvation,it is the gift of the Holy Spirit.
But not by force!..but pure devotion and love…the time is near when God will once again descend in Holy Fire!
To judge the earth for all it's iniquities…
The devil knows his time is nearly up!
This is the generation of the Holy Spirit!
Lately I have been given dreams and visions of the coming wrath of God!
And the Glorious dawning of the new days!
The coming of the Kingdom Of Heaven!
My last vision from the Lord!..He said…" tell all those you love in this world to prepare for my coming!,they have to be ready when I come! I am coming!"…
God is real!
Jesus is real!
Jesus really is the Son of the Almighty God!
To Him and only Him is the doorway to God the Father,bless His Holy name forever more! Come Lord Jesus come!
I listen to no mortal,though I am in this world,I am not of this world,I am no prophet,nor righteous,nor am I worthy to be called a daughter of athe Most High God..unworthy though I may be,I am but a speck of dust blown by the wind!
I am a servant of the Living God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,who is,who was and who is coming!
By His love,mercy and grace,He saved me! And I hope and pray all will truly come to know His Love and the TRUTH….and wisdom beyond wisdom!
Hosanna in the highest of highest above,glory be to God the Father through the Son of righteousness who brighter than a thousand suns…
Daystar of the morning,dawn before our eyes,rise that we might see your face!
Prince of Paradise,clothe yourself in splendor,clothe yourself in might,
Trail supernal righteousness,quintesence of all Lights!
Your Love and name my Holy Lord Jesus,surpass all…
Come Lord Jesus! Come!
Note: be alert!
IFTI,
Muhammad said he did not know what allah would do to him. How then will he be in a position to beg for others? The fact that allah refused to give him an antidote for the poison and did not cure him of the effect shows that allah did/does not care about Muhammad. He is on his own.
WHEN YOU ALL DIE YOU WILL BEG THE GREAT PROPHET MUHAMMED TO ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOU ALL. BUT REMEMBER THIS WHAT YOU WRITE HERE ABOUT HIM & GOD WILL REFLECT THE OUTCOME OF YOUR FAIT.
Those who follow Ali Sina never have healthy brain.
I tell you brothers and sisters, all Ali Sina wants is your hatred to Islam and muslims.
don't you realize that you are now being brainwashed? your hatred is being raised up to your head as if you want to kill Muhammad and all muslims.
Read carefully what he writes about Islam, he never speaks politely. I suspect he never knows what polite means. His writing is full of hatred, insult, and offence.
I don't believe someone who has good education can speak like kids.
ALI SINA IS THE REAL SATAN. …
same way stupid Zakir Naik never had courage to accept debate with Agniveer and Arya Samaj. Zakir Naik is a stupid fool.
Right source? Isn’t the Quran, the hadith and the Sira the right source? I base all my criticism of Islam on these sources.
LOL Jade do you have any rational arugment to give or did Allah forget to give you a brain perhaps? I think you need to go and learn how to make rational arguments – something clearly your college did not teach you. Until then keep the title fool for yourself.
well well well LOL. It make me laugh out loud reading your article. A little advice for you, if you want to study something , better study or learn from the RIGHT SOURCE. Further more. if you want to give a comment on something or make critical book, please analyze it after study it from THE RIGHT SOURCE. Many people in this world said that they understand Islam. they understood holy Qur'an LOL. But honestly speaking, they just playing fool with themselves. STUDY BACK please. go back to a right college and learn again from the beginning. Wish Allah open your heart and make you see how fool it is and what a regret path that you write in your life. BACK TO COLLEGE dear. study back LOL. This time please study from the RIGHT SOURCE not from them who think they knew.
well well well ( Laugh out loud) . it make me laugh out loud reading what you write. you better study more about Islam.Study it from the RIGHT SOURCE (laugh out load) . From the person that really understand it, not from them who know think they know and think they already master all. May Allah open your heart. therefore you will regret every little thing you write and do. Wish the devil away from you, once and ever LOL.
Sallaamu alaikum words of peace be upon all now for the context of you saying that the Prophet SAW has commited adultery i cannot believe that as if you are going by your own intrepretations ofhow you feel towards the Prophet SAW then as you claim to act like scholars but what i view as of what you are doing your trying to find contradictions in a book which is nothing but truth i find that not amongst whom Allah has spoke about of His believers and what i do find kinda frustrating is that you put this picture up of this so called mariya and for those who are shaky n their belief of the Prophet is to believe it n to end my comment by saying the most stingest amongst people is the one who mentions the Prophet SAW name without sending their peace being upon him SUBHANALLAH
http://debatebasedonscriptures.blogspot.in/2012/0…
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Yours everything is FAKE ! FAKE ! FAKE !
Dear Mark, Muhammad fooled you. He was not a prophet of God. He is in hell. Wake up before it is late. You will join him in hell if you continue believing in his lies.
shame on you.. throwing all the fitna on His beloved, you still chose to step on His earth and breathing with His air.. Allah keep giving you chance to repent while he could torture you just like how Kamal Attarturk felt on his dying day… please give yourself chance to know this holy religion better or atleast learn why the jews too afraid to admit Palestine is a free country… and why Muhamad that you hate the most being a great idol to muslim… is a man full of lust is good enough to be called the most influential man ever exist on earth?? than, why hate him if you are better than Muhammah…?? just admit it.. the deepest voice in your heart.. FYI.. while you spreading all these fitna.. our faith is only getting stronger.. and the truth will never at your side.. want a prove..? watch how your colleagues dying in their last breath… then you should realised who is the real creator and sustainer…
this not real face ,,wat he .. explaining …. to know islam nd muslim,,plus (HOLY PROPHET.PBUH)
2 much dificult for non muslim …..first u hav to know the basic knowledge .. almost 99.99% books of hadith ,,, which are translated .. are faked…thy mould the ..translation .. vid their on desire …
so u know islam .. fird know arabi ..and urdu .. than u wiil b able to know islam .. nd musim nd (HOLY PROPHET PBUH)
I don’t even know the way I finished up right here, but I thought this post used to be good. I do not understand who you’re however certainly you are going to a well-known blogger if you happen to aren’t already. Cheers!
Its like you read my thoughts! You seem to know a lot about this, such as you wrote the ebook in it or something. I think that you just can do with some p.c. to drive the message house a bit, but other than that, that is magnificent blog. A great read. I’ll certainly be back.
Also , pakistani is the most ridiculous and a JOKE nation. They impose extra tax on catholics and hindus for being idol worshippers.. lolz … now why does the govt. has a problem with that ?? And the condition of Ahmaddiyas is even worse
You are right Dr. Ali Sina .. That retard zakir naik has been openly challeged by Pt. Manhendra Pal arya of Arya samaj since 2004, but the coward has been in hiding since then . And still these stupid Muslims( esp. Pakistanis) are willing to die for him .. He is like the next prophet after muhammed…lolz
As always, well-documented work.
This video illustrates Muhammad's behavior, can help you visualize the above article:
"Muhammad's Sex Partners Aisha, Maria and Zeynab"
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i need help to shown ISLAM's HIDDEN FACE to the world but i dont have facilities if some peoples come forwerd to this cause then it will turn in to Donation thank you BEWARE OF ISLAM
No meanings to twist. The Quran and Sunna give us the facts.
I'm glad we have an imbecile here to give us such enlightening comments.
Ann Barnhardt has written on Muslims having a lower IQ because of genetic inbreeding.
This imbecile makes me think she is right.
Calling Dr. Sina a Shia shows a complete lack of understanding of what you are reading here.
The books Dr. Sina uses are called Quran, Ahadith, and Sira, which last time I heard are accepted by Sunni Islam.
Is it possible that you have not read any of these books? Perhaps you are ummiyah and depend entirely on your imams for your knowledge, which sadly seems to be seriously lacking.
If you want to educate yourself, read Dr. Sina's book. He will send it to you for free if you ask.
No one can read his book and remain a Muslim. Are you afraid to try?
well done sincere, i am happy for your answer,ali sina are try to prove him self better schcolar of quran and hadith.his under stand better than other islam scholar.he is shia all shia book are corrupted and he learn islam from that book that is why he do not understand islam.
Zakir Naik is only a show man with no real substance.
Sorry. Naik is propaganda. The facts are here. Bet you can't read Dr. Sina's book and remain a Muslim. Are you too chicken to see?
please,you can find the answers & replies in http://www.irf.net/www.peacetv.com
All nations should ban Quran -which is not a religious scripture But a Arabian imperialistic document in the guise of a religious Book. Terrorism and Quran are same sides of a single coin. we must destroy
both
A brilliant investigation of Muhammad's rape of Mariyah in the light of Quran and Hadiths.
I’d be gald to work with RD. If he calls me I would be more than delighted. At this moment I don’t know in what ways we can cooperate.
There is however, some differences between RD philisophy and mine. He believes the root of all evil is God. I believe the root of all evil is blind faith. Anyone who is convinced of his belief enough to harm others can be very evil. This includes some religious people but also many atheists. Communists and Nazis were not religious and communists were decisively anti God. Together the killed millions of people. The problem is strong conviction, not God. I am an atheist philosophically, not religiously. I approach it like any other idea, such as evolution, or why peppers are so hot. I have no emotional attachment to it. My goal is not to promote atheism, but to eradicate Islam. I also respect religions that promote love and unity.
Please work together with Richard Dawkins, Mr Sina. I would love to see the two of you taking down this religion of abomination. No muslim mind could take the two of you down in a debate. Pease kindly reply 🙂
She also should not be on a public site without her husband or father…
7. She cannot listen to some music of her choice.
8. She cannot put a painting in her home of her choice.
9. She is promised her old husband whereas her husband is promised 72 black eyed virgins to have sex with in paradise.
10. She will have to sleep with another man for a reunion with her original husband in case by mistake her husband divorces her someday.
11. She is supposed to be loyal to one husband but her husband can have up to 4 wives.
12. Her husband can sleep with any woman by marrying for a night – Muta marriage
13. Her husband can maintain another woman or mistress – Misyar.
So her frustration is natural.
May be she also realizes the evils of her school but she cannot openly admit it else she would be in trouble.
If you would look closely to the teachings of the school she (Nena) is from then you would realize that she is
1. Deficient in intelligence.
2. Her testimony is half to that of a man.
3. She cannot fast without her husband’s permission.
4. She cannot say no to her husband’s sexual urge even if she has running temperature and if she does say NO, then angels would curse her till the morning.
5. She is only supposed to see the outside world from behind a veil – in practicality because there would always be other men outside.
6. She cannot divorce her husband at will.
Cont.
Hey John K,
For once I would request you to empathies with her (Nena). She is from a school where in the head master had said that
1. Women are deficient in intelligence – Muhammad
2. I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women – Muhammad
3. If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse – Muhammad
4. Majority of the dwellers of hell were women – Muhammad
Cont.
Uh-oh… Enzo Gorlomi girl version.
Listen, here’s a short list of notable former muslims. From emperors to imams, from presidents to terrorists.
I hope you won’t perceive them “worthless” anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Muslims
It's called profanity. Also indecent and uncivil. You do not make a good poster child for anyone who might be considering changing to Islam.
i think my language is perfectly good for u . -.-
Sigh, I don't doubt Seraj, I look into the facts and actually I've posted several queries about Islamic science in Safiya article since you love dwelling in that pool.
Lol, if you wanna doubt then doubt. Fact is all the points Ali Sina made were rebutted. As for Juwairiya, I haven't read the article on here about her. I'll check it out if I have the time.
People like you using degenerate language is a great reason to realize that Islam is not from God. You are in Italy? Get thee to a priest and repent of your evil ways.
Lorraine, dreams can be caused by a variety of factors. You shouldn't put too much stock in them. The main thing is that while we all feel for the suffering of the Muslim world, you can't put yourself at risk by going there. People have to want to be helped before you can help them. They are not ready for you. If you go, you will most likely be hurt.
Confession of an Indian so-called holy man. He said he wore yellow robes of a sadhu and pretend to be holy so that some ignorant women would like to be intimate with him with the hope of getting some "holiness". They would normally disregard or shy away from the advances of ordinary Indian men.
Hi Nena,
You can consider me anything BUT Islam. Because i am not a cultist.
You are very understating the minds former muslims. Some former muslim heavyweights have publicly declared their apostasy. This is very brave. Considering muslims answer apostates by killing them. You should ask yourself why. Why do these people be so brave? There must be something not right in Islam.
You know why this discussion is getting nowhere, because you don’t get down to business, all we do is chatting. So forgive me if i ignore your future replies.
by the way what is ur religion?
and they never worthed because the belive in these things!
FOR UR INFO IM ITALIAN.
they never worthed because they were not strong enough to keep on beliving in ISLAM.
i think the point of this thing is not true.
and trust ur face is crappy! LOL
FOR UR INFO IM ITALIAN.
they never worthed because they were not strong enough to keep on beliving in ISLAM.
i think the point of this thing is not true.
and trust ur face is crappy! LOL
Hi Nena, again,
From your write-ups i would guess that you are a M’sian (forgive me if i might be mistaken).
Why do you think they were never worthed when they were muslims? (astaghfirullah) One muslim is worth as equal as another muslim right?
But guess what? I sincerely believe that you are strong enough, so far at least. Because you have not been comparing anything here. That is why you uttered the word “lies” to something that you do not understand.
If i ask you, which points do you think are lies?
Would you be able to answer it without crappy answer like “everything is”?
:/ …well ppl whu left islam after reading all this,well i think they never worthed to be Muslim,and i guess they were not good Muslims! ans i think im strong enough not to leave islam because of lies. AND U ARE NO ONE TO JUDGE MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) AND ALLAH.
and imma girl,and im behaving like one ! so speak for ur self! -.-
Hi again, Nena,
Ali Sina has been doing major damage to Islam in just a decade. He made alone thousands of muslims left Islam, and those thousands will make millions more left Islam and so forth. Believe me, more new Ali Sinas are born everyday, everywhere.
If no muslim stop him by refuting him with logical, irrefutable evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that Islam is true, that means Ali Sina is right so far. Islam is not true, Muhammad was a psycho and Allah was his alter ego.
Ps: are you a lady?
Do behave like one.
coz no muslim wants to waste their time in this stupid THING.
AND TRUST IF ALL THIS WAS TRUE,EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM SHULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THESE LIES -.- ,BUT IS NOT LIKE THIS!,so shut it!
AND FOR UR INFO MUSLIMS GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO,RATHER THEN LIE OR AGRUE ON SHIT!
Hi Nena,
You put up four comments in an instance but no arguments in sight.
Please read around first. Then compare the sources of the writings with your own.
If you can find an argument that refuted us, then we have a case.
Let’s put Islam on trial.
So far no muslim ever succeed doing it.
U are such a wasteman ,Astaghfitullah! don't u have anything else to do yh?? what the hell is tht?!,
u could think tht ppl could leave islam,but trust me after reading this ,it couldnt make me leave islam,THE BEST RELIGION!
BUT THE THING IS I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU! u could have done smthing useful instead of this SHIT!,go and read Qur'an and real Hadith,not the hadith written by fake people like you!
ur soooo nasty ! trust me !
i think smone made u helpless to write this! LOL
just SHUT UP!
U are such a wasteman ,Astaghfitullah! don't u have anything else to do yh?? what the hell is tht?!,
u could think tht ppl could leave islam,but trust me after reading this ,it couldnt make me leave islam,THE BEST RELIGION!
BUT THE THING IS I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU! u could have done smthing useful instead of this SHIT!,go and read Qur'an and real Hadith,not the hadith written by fake people like you!
Wrong, a saint is not god's incarnation. It's more like a champion, a person to be learned because human needs a role model and you obviously cannot see immortal being. You are talking irrelevant subject here.
Abraham Lincoln was made into sculpture but Americans don't worship or give false attribute to him. They make him a role model and an example. Kid, you can't differentiate things, can you?
Another example is Jesus. He was not a saint in the first place and saints in Christianity are people who are very pious and practical in following him.
Worshiping the narcissistic Allah is not goodness but submission and fear to the stronger entity. You quoted Abu Bakr's words again. Have you even realized your mistake on that? No, of course you haven't because you repeated it again. You want people to listen but you never listen.
@ Prithvi ………. cont
Naming one a saint is misleading. It leaves room for people to eventually perceive this 'super good' person as God's incarnation like what's happening in all other religions than Islam. Islam teaches that the highest predicate of human being is His prophets. No matter how much miracle Allah granted a prophet with, he remains human. That’s what the shalawat is for, to respect and love yet still hoping for peace to be upon him). That’s why the picture of Rasulullah has been forbidden.
In ancient times, people would make a sculpture of a noble person who had passed away to keep him memorial. But as humans love to exaggerate, the stories around this noble person started to be embellished with fables and untrue stories about him. Simply later on, the sculpture of this noble man would then be perceived as having mystical power. They started to treat this sculpture with unnecessary fears and respects. As time passed by, finally, they started worshipping the sculpture and would think of him as God’s incarnation or as His allies.
That’s why Islam strictly forbids sculptures specifically that of man and more particularly that of a noble man.
The shahabats (Rasulullah’s best companions) made the greatest generation of human being. Yet, Muslims are encouraged to hope for Allah’s blessings and forgiveness upon them while strengthening the fact that they were human beings. Despite their accomplishments, none of them is called saint. And for sure, not even the prophets themselves should be perceived as God’s incarnations. By any means.
On the contrary, Islam teaches man to remind one another about goodness in worshipping Allah. Again, no one is ever ‘good enough’ to be called saint. Abu Bakr put it on his appointment as the Ummah’s leader: “You gentlemen have appointed me as your leader, but for you to know, I am not the best among you so if you find me disobeying Allah, then it is no longer obligatory for you to obey me ………….”
“I swear by the time,
Verily Man is in loss,
Except those who believe and do good, and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
(QS 103)
And you are running from Aisha's debate too, kid. You still haven't touched my post and Sudhakar never talked to you, remember? And Prithvi didn't talk about Aisha in this page. Go buy glasses please.
Before asking someone else to read, why don't you re-read your own scriptures? You are lacking any knowledge of Islam.
Sigh, once again you have missed your opponent, you wrote, "I was replying to Sudhakar when you jumped in. So, put the blame in yourself for wasting your valuable time."
Kid, he was assuming good faith in you coz he thought you have normal mind but he found out that you don't have it. That's why he said that, not to mention that you didn't answer anything back there. No, kid, this is not mind reading like yours, simply deduction.
Wrong dude, it is you who are misleading. That definition is everywhere. You don't even understand the word "saint" because there is no such thing in Islam. You lives only in one world.
Read the definition. This world is not yours nor Islam. This is normal world. Therefore you know nothing but your own superficial knowledge. Saint is saint, immortal is immortal and no immortal being deserves to be called "saint" coz it doesn't play the game. Those 2 are different but one thing for sure, Muhammad was no saint but a criminal.
You are indeed the follower of a narcissist, you even fight against the obvious fact just because the fact doesn't conform your silly Islamic dictionary. The funny thing is, at first you didn't know what saint is and went around asking but now you claim that you know it even if it is wrong (but you don't care and stick to your own version). Another narcissistic remark. Don't bother asking why, I know you haven't read Sina's book.
One more, kid. You do have inferior complex, don't ask why, it's clear in this very page.
cont…
and I know what saint means. What a misleading term for human. 🙂
Therefore I know that there should be no one that deserves to be called a saint. 🙂
@ Prithvi
You already quit our previous debate about Aisha, remember?
I was replying to Sudhakar when you jumped in. So, put the blame in yourself for wasting your valuable time. 🙂
about your claims in choosing, please reread your scriptures and see if your statements about the commands are correct. 🙂
Please this time, don't miss any detail. 🙂
I think you two should call it off. Why? It's because your dictionaries don't match and as a NPD's follower, she is programmed to reject anything against herself. She only has one perspective and has no plan to accept an alternative, but imposing her view is obligatory.
I chose a man who has led people by example by living a life of a SAINT – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO USED TO WAIT IN AMBUSH IN THE DESERTS OF ARABIA SO AS TO SUDDENYLY ATTACK AND LOOT AN INNOCENT CARAVAN OF TRADERS OR MERCHANTS.
I chose a man who has taught people that the road to salvation is meditation, practise, discipline, and self-discovery – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS ASKED YOU TO KILL INNOCENTS TO GET A TICKET FOR PARADISE
I chose a man who has taught people that the final resting place for us which is either Heaven or Hell depends solely on our actions/conducts with others – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO REQUESTS YOU AND THEN THREATENS YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR HIS MESSENGERSHIP AND JUST BY APPROVING TO HIS CLAIMS YOU WILL LAND UP IN PARADISE.
I chose a man who has taught and then practised whatever he taught to others – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR HIMSELF AND DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR HIS FOLLOWERS
Yes, I chose him, I chose him after learning about him WHICH IS BACKED BY HIS PERSONAL CONDUCT AND YES I AM CONFIDENT, DO YOU MIND?
Abdullah,
I chose a man who has taught people to believe in themselves – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS ASKED TO YOU TO ONLY BELIEVE IN HIM.
I chose a man who has taught people to see GOD in every being – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS TOLD YOU TO SEE GOD IN JUST ONE WAY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY ONLY THROUGH HIM.
I chose a man who has taught people to respect others – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS ASKED YOU TO KILL OTHERS.
I chose a man who has taught people to respect the ways and customs and rituals of others – YOU CHOSE A MAN WHO HAS ASKED YOU TO HATE OTHERS AND LOOK DOWN UPON ANY OTHER BELIEF SYSTEM.
Cont.
Touche, she's a waste.
Dude, that's immortal not a saint. Definition of saint is "holy/formally canonized person worthy of veneration". Being a saint means being a human. Why is that? It's because the saint fights the earthly challenge and win. If a creature doesn't eat and have needs then it has no challenge, therefore it has no value whatsoever. How can you venerate something that doesn't even do/face anything? It's like giving trophy to a someone who doesn't even play the game. And if you are in its position you'll be it as well so what's the value here? Got my point?
How many errors you have made so far, eh kid? Oh, I forgot, you fear me, so you won't even dare to read the truth I've presented here.
Kid, your queries about saint is already answered. It's boring and your verse brings nothing coz there are many comparable characters.
Clue: golden rule.
cont…..
No one deserves to be called a saint, miss. No matter how good a man's behavior is, a man is a man, he is human by nature. He needs food, has feelings, given birth to, and dyes, except maybe Adam AS. Yet, he also had human needs.
So please…… don't be over confident 🙂
Abdullah,
Don't you get dictionaries in your country and can you not find one read or knowledgeable person who can answer this question of yours ^_^
I am so sorry but I feel like I have wasted my time in speaking and rebutting to a person who does not even know the meaning of the word "SAINT" but do not be disheartened, start believing in yourself and try to read as much as possible, chances are that one fine day you will enlighten yourself :$
Furthermore, any person, any damn person who says that GOD belongs to all in the same manner is far better that the one who says that GOD alone and only talks to him and whatever he says are the words of GOD and then goes ahead fooling, looting, raping people 🙂
@ Prithvi
Who in the world told you about someone being a saint? I'm sorry to ask, but how did this saint live his life? Did he eat? drink? breathe? get married? need no dimensions? need no substance to be in?
Please tell me in details so I'll have a clear picture about a saint……. 🙂
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.
(QS 112)
Divinity resides in yourself, only if you are able to identify with it.
I also leave you with 2 more quotes from that same Saint from India I quoted above, think about it and do not come back to me with your silly arguments, just think and answer to no one but yourself.
NO MAN IS BORN TO ANY RELIGION; HE HAS A RELIGION IN HIS SOUL
RELIGION IS THE MANIFESTATION OF THE DIVINITY ALREADY IN MAN – SWAMI VIVEKANADA (INDIA)
Now, what is so GODLY or SPIRITUAL in attacking and looting some merchants? Going by this logic of yours, Muhammad(s) are born even today and every day.
What is MYSTICAL in sleeping with a 9 year old, well we can find Muhammad everywhere and in all parts of the world? I am sure you can quote a few examples of the 21st century Muhammad(s).
What is GODLY about having 9 wives and 2 mistresses? I bet you would be able to find a lot of Muhammad(s) going by this argument or logic of yours.
What is GODLY about killing 700 POWS which includes innocent teenagers just beginning to grow into manhood? Going by what the Pakistani army did in Bangladesh, you will Muhammad in a lot of retired Pakistani army personnel. I will help you with an example of a person like this – HITLER.
Cont.
There are 100 of jokes which revolve around the Muslims as well, you offering a kiddish joke on this forum proves your age also. It is rather time that you keep quiet and let the elders do the talking.
Again you have offered knowledge on DIVINITY, let me tell you the meaning of DIVINITY = SPIRITUAL, GODLY, MYSTICISM.
Cont.
Abdullah!
You bet I am proud of my country and that is for the reasons I mentioned above in my last response.
Your logic and understanding about a particular situation or fact proves your mental bend and I have highlighted this before. Do not try to impart knowledge to others with half information, it is very dangerous.
NO, calling a CRIMINAL a CRIMINAL does not make me a CRIMINAL. It is your choice whether you would like to worship a CRIMINAL but that would not stop me from calling him or anyone for that matter a CRIMINAL.
In fact it is the other way round as taught to us by our elders in India, remaining quiet in front of injustice is a far worse crime that committing the crime yourself. If you remain quiet, you are also GUILTY.
Let me also enlighten you with a famous quotation from a saint from INDIA “EVIL SPREADS NOT BECAUSE OF THE ACTION OF EVIL MEN BUT BECAUSE OF THE INACTION OF GOOD MEN”.
Cont.
Again irrelevant response. Actually, although he is beating his chest, he got it right. Give the credit where the credit is due. India is secular nation, it respects other religions, and Hinduism doesn't spread or attack others too.
You said to Sudhakar not to generalize people. So which part in his posts indicates that? You love to misunderstand people, don't you kid? It's not good to teach others about the word "clear" while you yourself cannot understand anything.
Oh, seeing a criminal with fake title and proven to be ignorant to his surrounding is better than that? Great disclosure, muslim ihsan.
Err, your verse is irrelevant and you didn't understand trinity at all. Sigh, my posts in indo site remains unchallenged. Actually, there are many people that are comparable with Allah and I've explained that. Oh, the repetition.
In the end, again and again, you didn't refute anything here.
@ Prithvi
You must be proud of being an Indian as it is your ethnic. But let me tell you that almost every body else is with their own. You people call Rasulullah narcissist but what you are doing now doesn’t make you one? 🙂
Please note that I never meant to talk about your people. What I am trying to say to Sudhakar is to not generalize. I am trying to tell him that there is an unpleasing joke about his race that I don’t believe.
It is not me who made the joke. I heard people telling it. Still, I never believe it while the creator and believers of this joke obviously do.
Clear enough? 🙂
About divinity miss, I’m upholding my very basic principle that it’s better to see a man as God’s messenger than to see a man (with needs for food, water, cloths and dimensions) as God’s incarnation.
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.
(QS 112)
Irrelevant parable again, auntie. You didn't even explain anything here.
You want to discuss Muhammad's history with this auntie? Forget it, I''d done that and he didn't want to answer anything, not even one. Know what I'm thinking of? I'm thinking of irrelevant response again, maybe the usual "self defense" excuse.
Why bother about hadith narrations if the Quran itself permits pedophilia? Any coward will run from the Quranic sanction and go on rambling irrelevant words.
I come from a muslim family and I've actually seen the animals shed tears before they're slaughtered(in Bangladesh). As a kid I found it horrifying to watch :/ American slaughter houses are designed in a way so that the animal has no clue that its about to die, and its done in the most painless way. Proud to be an American!
India and Indians have taught the world the true meaning of UNIVERSAL ACCEPTABILITY and TOLERANCE by giving refuge to people from all across the world. India as a country even today shelters the Zoroastrians, apart from the Jews, Buddhists, Jains and also the modern ones like Christianity and most recent Islam.
As far as your example is concerned, why come this far? Just go back to the founder himself. Muhammad attacked the pagans suddenly without any warning and the lady who wanted to sound off the Pagans was intercepted by Ali and later on executed on the instruction of Muhammad.
Furthermore, he very smartly first of all attacked the Pagans during the Holy Month of Ramadhaan because NO PAGANS USE TO PICK UP ANY WEAPON DURING THOSE MONTHS AS FIGHTING WAS HIGHLY FORBIDDEN, such was the reverence of the month and they were people (the PAGANS) of character and use to stick to their words.
Finally after capturing Mecca, look what he says “I was only allowed for a few hours and no more fighting in the Holy Month of Ramadhaan is allowed”.
Do you see anything DIVINE here or he was simply a master politician?
Ha ha ha this is the best example of “a water jar without the bottom”. A man (Abdullah) who cannot SIMPLY OPINE about a fact is giving MORAL LESSONS.
Time after time when I asked him on 3 occasions to only OPINE about the fact about Muhammad marrying a 6 year old child and having sex with her when she 9 years old, he remained mum and just went around beating the bush.
DEAR SUDHAKAR, do not waste your time if you were planning to respond to him because I strongly feel that a person who in light of the evil facts, if remains silent is either a demented person or a devil incarnate himself/herself.
He has immense potential and capacity to sound RIDICULOUS and from a tiny island somewhere in the east, he is commenting about the history and people of India (9th largest economy of the world). INDIA, The only country in the world to have to have a sea named after it “THE INDIA OCEAN” since time immemorial.
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@ Sudhakar
I'm sorry Sir, but you are generalizing Muslims. It is a bad habit, you know, and that’s what makes you blind to see the truth. Here's is an example why you should not generalize. I don’t mean to be offensive but many are familiar with this proverbial joke:
“If you are alone in a jungle and accidentally meet a snake and an Indian, who should you kill first? Answer: you should kill the Indian first because he is far more dangerous to you than the snake.”
This joke is supposed to humorously educate others how Indians love to cheat even on those who have lent them a helping hand. Anyway, it's only a joke.
My point is: Do I buy this crap?
Of course I don't.
I believe that a person's characteristic should be judged by his conducts regardless what race he or she belongs to. Misconducts of some of a particular ethnic group do not make me think the whole ethnic group is of the same characteristics.
And so is for the case of Muslims. There are guided and misguided Muslims. Only Allah knows what is in the hearts of everyone, even in that of the Syuhadas taking parts in battles. Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that we do.
if he debate with z.naik in open audience, he will be killed by muslim within days, as its a order from Allah to kill disbeliver. U know it very well.Then why u r trying to make it happen?
Greatest fashion, eh? It appears Zawadi is not too good after all. Care to debate me in the article Juwairiya? Come on, it's here, jut click and click.
Muslim say that there is not next life. But see here mention of next life
The Prophet once remarked: ” A
person who has a slave-girl and
trains her in the best manner
and gives her the best
education, then sets her free and
marries her, he will have a
double reward (in the next life)
Mishkat-ul-Masabih Kitab-ul-
Iman Ch.1; Bukhari 3:31; as
quoted in Namus, p. 31). How
could the Prophet himself go
against his own preachings –
supposing for a moment that
Mary the Coptic was sent to him
as a slave girl?
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_201_250/honor_of_the_noble_prophet.htm
Hello dear Mr.Null, muslims love taking revenge in the most cruel ways. But you are suggesting that Allah should judge the Husband for burning his wife. Moreover, Have you guys ever believed in debates. If so where is that mass of debates. The one historical incident the freedomlovers of the world need to know in this context (of luring Dr.Sina to a live TV debate) is the story of Martyrdom of Guru TeghBahadur,, http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikh-gurus/sikh-guru… ,
as well as the next Guru, Guru Gobind singh's assassination by deception.
Having the best of Islamic scholars in his court, All that Aurangjeb could think of was to subject the Great Guru (Guru Tegh Bahadur) and four of his disciples to extreme Tortures.
Islam does not need great scolars to demolish it, even simple logic can demolish islam.
The fact is Islam ( which is nothing but a topsy turvy understanding of God and creation) survives on terror and superstion. Islam Motivates the lusty scoundres to plunder and rape ,Terrorizes the moderates ( the not so lusty people) and eliminates the real thinkers.
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_ali…
As 'sincere' posted, this article was rebutted in the greatest fashion. Of course, you refuse to take the article down because you refuse to accept the rebuttals which did literally own this article.
I've had dreams warn me against a course of action, and at other times I think they are vividly illustrating our deepest fears.
I think it's impossible to help these people now.
cont… in Egypt but it is something I really crave and love to do is to be there right now. Somehow I want to bring them peace, tranquility and love all through the middle east. I want to give this to America as well they need it just as bad so I try hard daily. Who am I? What's going on with me Lorraine. Am I NUTS!!!
cont… I asked her did she need me to take her somewhere but she did not speak, then suddenly a man pushed me to the passengers side and said nothing as well, next 3 more men got into the back seat and my passenger door flew open and a dark complected man with a reddish dirty shaw and grey trouser said to me GET OUT!! I tried to reason with him but he said I WILL SAY ONLY ONCE MORE, GET OUT!! sooo, I got out and they threw my stuff at me and I was alone in a crowd of many Egyptians. I was calling out for help and people ignored me. Mocking me, and I then became hot and dirty too from walking and being lost. So I sat down on the ground and opened my bag to eat and drink then a man said GIVE THAT TO ME!!! I said ok here its lamb and steak. He ate the steak up and broke a piece of the lamb for me and he laughed out loud IT's GOOD YES? Then he left me. I woke up and became very subtle and the fear ran through my bones but I still say that I have a strong feeling to be there maybe I am crazy? It does seems that "words are weapons used to further their aims" (Tamer Amin) cont…
After the revolution of 2/18/2011 in Egypt I became so elated with happiness for Egypt no one should face the ruling hand of a tyrant. I was ready as an American to go there and share the victory and then I remembered that I am an American this probably would not work out. Somehow I feel some great connection to Egypt, Isreal, Libya, and the other middles east countries or any places in the world that needs compassion love, and understanding and well the money is already there from Mubarak it is enough for each Egyptian family to get one to two million a piece and more for other necessities.. As if I have a calling there. But then months later I had a dream out of nowhere I was not thinking about Egypt at all. Then it came to me and suddenly I was there in Egypt and the people were as the tv host Tamer Amin described no one was listening. I was driving down a road during the day, and an old woman with a black scarf or white I can not remember got into my car when I stopped it. cont…
There is a God. The trouble is, there are so many charlatans that pretend to be speaking for Him. Evil people proved to me that there is a spiritual dimension where there are dark forces, and at one point I lost all hope. It took me a long time to realize there is good there also. There is a spiritual battle going on between good and evil. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood alone.
I saw a film of the cattle being slaughtered as to be halal in Indonesia and it was horrible to behold.
One poor beast had to watch three others killed before it and it's eyes were wide open and it was literally shaking with fear.
It is as the Egyptian tv host, Tamer Amin, recently said. Arabs lack the capacity to listen, they have invented what he calls the "unilateral dialogue".
To them,words are not vehicles for carrying and exchanging ideas to each other, they are simply tools, or more accurately, weapons used to further their aims. I'm not trying to change the subject with the following anecdote, I just want to illustrate what I mean: After hitting a school bus with a missile, one of them said "Now Israel will use this as an excuse to attack us." Can you imagine someone in the US blowing up a school bus and then saying "Now they will use this as an excuse to put me in jail."?
Believe it or not, i already read it, Guy.
I don’t dismiss all muslims’ post, i still have enough respect.
It’s one of Zawadi’s is it not?
Know what i see? I see Zawadi was desperate, he DID NOT refute Sina, instead he is judging Sina.
The Copt was definitely a slave, a captive and a sex object. And Muhammad was definitely a warlord, an adulterer and a psycho.
Regardless what did Bassam say about 9/11. This lie already been refuted by Bassam and Omar.
Visit the link I posted and read the rebuttal!
sincere: Oh please already.
Bassam Zawadi is either really stupid or a liar. He really thinks that 9/11 is a lie fabricated by the jews and US. Govt. Despite all open statements by Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
Indeed what Ali said, Islam stands on two legs, one is terror, the other one is deception.
Hey Ali Sina are you a shameless guy? You reposted an article that had already been refuted? Or you don't know someone already refuted the above article? Here's the refutation:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_ali…
regards
I wish there were a god. Alas there is none. So we have to help ourselves. But thank you for your kind words.
Dear Ali sina, I will pray to God give u a long life.
Oh mighty God help your true prophet (Sina) to save this world. Oh my dear God this world need Sina he is bringing your earth back to paradise, you have to help him, you have to help him, you have to help him.
Dear Dr Ali sina. . Please never attend the open debate, because the hostile crowd will kill u. This is simply a trap to finish u off.
You have answered or summed up everything all at once when you have said that you need to question before you accept and I can assure you my dear friend that you are already on the path of self-discovery and I would like to wish you all the best.
Lastly, to sum up, to be honest and with all due respect to Ali Sina, you sincerely do not need Ali Sina to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik to realize the truth.
All you need to do is to start with the Hadith by Sahih Bukhari and then move onto the Holy Quran.
I can guarantee you that by the time you will finish half of the hadith and use your brain while reading it and do not read it the way small innocent kids do it in the madarsas, with their head swinging movement back and forth without understanding a single word; you will arrive at the truth yourself.
You too take care and my best wishes are with you for your quest for truth.
Sincerely,
Prithvi
One of the greatest rather in my opinion the Greatest Saint from India once said “Evil spreads not because of the actions of Evil men but because of the inactions of Good men”.
It was exactly the tolerance level of pagans which was exploited in the past by attacking them in the month of Ramadhan wherein they never use to pick up their swords and honor their words irrespective of the odds and it is exactly this tolerance level of the Hindus which is being exploited even today in the name of religion based politics by our corrupt politicians.
The Christians were quick to realize this and stopped them mid-way in Europe.
The recent bans on Burqa in some countries are also some of the examples of the things which are in store.
The days are numbered because people are realizing the true motive behind this shady doctrine.
Good that you are encouraging him to continue with his website, I am sure that he would continue irrespective of your noble suggestion.
Cont
Everyone else, people from other religion are safe because no other religion spreads hatred for others in the name of religion and this very hatred is blooming into the efforts from scores of people from all walks of life against Islam and this very hatred which is at the heart of Islam would swallow it whole. If you are young enough, you will witness this event in your lifetime.
Your assurance and further the applause does not mean anything to a person like Ali Sina, his life is too precious because he is the one who is doing HUMANITY a service and not wasting his life and killing others in the name of an unseen deity just because someone is asking him to do so, he has a brain and he is rightly using it.
He is the one who thinks that he has the power to control his actions and just by doing so, he will be closer to God and not by raping innocent war widows, enslaving children and smiting at the heads of the ones who do not belong to or follow the same religion as his.
Cont
Your opinion and belief system is also clarified wherein you are not critical of the husband who burnt his wife and you are very smartly leaving it on Allah to judge him.
I and other HUMAN beings who have even an iota of morality would have reacted sharply and said that, that bugger should be hanged at once but this is how we HUMANS think.
If you can only take a deep breath and think that you would understand that no one is trying to thrash any person or religion, Ali Sina is only trying to expose the lies which are rooted behind the garb of this religion which was only followed by the ignorant illiterates of the deserts of Arabia but with the swords on the neck of your forefathers (the motivation being women and gold or wealth) has culminated into you as well.
The biggest favor, only if you can realize, is being offered to you, a Muslim, no one else.
Cont
The way Dr. Zakir Naik blabbers the number of verses, if you are watching him in person, would you have the liberty of verifying the verses which he quotes and this is precisely the weakness Dr. Zakir Naik feeds on.
If you do not believe me, please go and search for the video of his championing the fact that “evaporation” is mentioned in the holy quran and then after noting down the number of verses he quotes, verify them yourself whether those verses in the holy quran actually talk about the process “evaporation. Truth would stand out clear of errors.
And in case you do arrive at this conclusion which comes out to be opposite from what Dr. Zakir Naik is championing, then the larger question which you need to ask to yourself is that, why is such a learned and one of the most respected scholars of Islam, lying?
Like we say, it is the content and learning from the debate which is important and not whether which side or person won it.
Cont.
Dear Null:
It is rather great; truly, if you do not hate Ali Sina because I have actually seen humans turn into beasts and also ugly fools when anyone questions the belief system of Islam and the character of the founder of Islam, Muhammad.
However, you are lying and your lie and hence your hatred is clear wherein you have equated Ali Sina with the Devil (this is the Devil inside you and the Devil is no external entity, only if you can realize it).
A debate is a debate whether in person or online and a written debate is 10 times superior to a face to face to debate where in any scholar from either side has the option to quote the source of his/her argument for everyone to see and then for people like us to further verify whether the quotes are true or not.
Cont.
Zakir Naik is a stupid person, his only motto is to convert people
Old Man enjoyed he life, The truth is this make others fool and enjoy.
What? You don't like something which is good for you? You will never start learning until you realize there is something you don't know. And you will not realize it unless someone brings it to your attention.
I have answered this question many time. A debate like this can take a long time. It cannot be done in two hours. Please ead my debate with Mr. Ghamidi and Dr. Kahlid Zahir. It took a book.
Naik is a great showman. He can mesmerize his audience through logical fallacies. I can’t demonstrate his tricks in a short time. But I can easily dissect everything he says and expose his tricks in a written debate. Put is simply, in a live debate, he can pull wool over the eyes of the audience and give the impression that he has won. In a written debate he needs to resort to facts. Tricks and showmanship are not going to help him.
He knows that. That is why he has refused to answer my long rebutal of all his claims in my book World’s Greatest Showman http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli…
Please do not insult me. The nickname preference is my own personal choice. I am still awaiting for a reply from Mr. Ali Sina.
Why do Muslims pick names like NULL and Unknown? It's truly a sign of the emptiness of their brains. Dr. Sina only presents the facts about Islam. The problem is not Dr. Sina. The problem is you Muslims who don't like to learn what your religion says. You are out there like blind men telling the rest of the world that they cannot see.
Like first, I agree that he refused to have a written debate with you. And if you are so sure about your research then why do you insist to have a written debate first? You could simple go in front of an audience and thrash him. Rational people, would know that you won. Fortunately, I think many muslims(including me) are. You could save them(us) from the "rotten tree". Written debate could last for years. I hope you agree?
Like second, I do not think that there is any reason that if you won the debate in front of an audience, you would be killed. Speaking for myself I would applaud you if you did that.
Lastly, I understand you. You are so frustrated with that girl that you hate everything and everyone that brought that upon her.
Many muslim people have asked you to close the website but I encourage you and I hope that you continue to express your opinions. That is the only way that we grow. People need to question things before they accept. Very educational website.
Ali Sina, thank you very much for replying to my messages.
Take care. 🙂
Thank you. Please promote it.
I accepted the debate with Zakir Naik. It was he who did not accept. I generally don’t write to people personally asking them to debate with me, but in this case I did because of the number of solicitations I received from Muslims. So I broke my own rule and wrote an email to Naik, all I got was a letter from his staff with some ridiculous requirements.
I told Naik that I will debate with him even in front of a Muslim audience in Pakistan where I will not get alive for sure, only if he defeat me in a written debate and he rejected that offer. Now that should tell you how much secure he is of his position.
No, the husband of that girl was a victim of Islam. He was a bitter fruit of this rotten tree. As long as people like you who can understand refuse to understand, more innocent women like her will continue to die.
Dear Ali Sina,
I am a muslim. However, I do not hate you. The same as I don’t hate the devil. Allah is the one that judges , I am nothing compared to Him. However, I wonder my friend why didn’t you accept to debate with Mr. Zakir Naik?
He clearly stated that he wanted you to debate him in front of an audience as an online debate could last forever. I have read the emails and you didn’t accept it, instead you asked for an online debate which of course as everyone knows is a very dumb way of debating. By the way, I am sorry that the husband of that innocent girl burnt her. He was a transgressor and Allah will judge him.
Take care.
🙂
Very Beautiful and Bold website…..
"Can I assume that you never really finish reading Quran?
Your points are full of assumptions, that's what I see."
That's pretty stupid. You make an assumption and then say Dr. Sina is full of assumptions.
Yes, Dr. Sina's work is based on assumption, like all logic. But the outcome of the logical proof depends on the validity of the assumptions.
Dr. Sina's proofs are based on the Quran and the most accepted Hadith and Sira. So if you want to win your argument by agreeing that the Quran is false, then I can make an assumption that everyone will be happy you rejected Islam.
No research? Are you blind? Or just stupid? Can't read? Did someone read the article to you and forgot to read the references to you?
How do you think you can talk like such an idiot and have anyone respect anything you say? Do you have no pride? Don't you worry about looking like a fool by saying stupid things in public?
Ali Sina you're NO SCHOLAR but a corrupt person who has sold his soul to SATAN. Your website is a fraud based on your stupid brain and NO RESEARCH whatsoever.
I can not tell you the amount of pleasure I got after reading your post. I recently came across Mr All San's work which is so necessary and enlightening. So thumbs up Mr Sani and continue . Born in to Muslim family in a western country I had many questions which my madressa teaches could not answer or simply beat me up for asking disrespectfull questions., Why is it that God needed to be praised constantly, was he insecure or did he have a big ego that needed to to be stroked. Surely if he was so powerfull he would be above need. In time I concluded that man gave this punitive diety human charactaristics from the limited tribal mind set. Of course the best one "I think that all these Arabs of that time were geniuses to have the memeory to recall all what one man said some 50 years later. Put simply God never wrote any book. Whatever expreiance he had in a cave was transmitted orally to othes ffor at least 20 or more years. Somewhat thirty years after his death there are so many other versions. hmmmm . Of course the commentators lived three hundred years later. What a joke. I will certainly be reading Mr Sani's work. I left 20 years ago and the freedom I felt was unbrelievable.
selamat kepada kalian berdua, dan semoga hidup dalam damai dan sejahtera, keep spreading the words and educating people about islam especially the westerners as most of indonesian are hopeless because they've been brainwashed since child
Yes, it is hard for him, seeing as most of his family is Muslim. But it is much harder for others we know whose entire families are Muslim and have nobody to discuss with all these things they discover. I've watched him go through so much psychological and emotional pain over this. It has literally made him physically ill. Thankfully he is ok now. He in no way wants to hurt his family as he loves them very much. But he knew that he had to leave Islam once he proved to himself it was all a lie. He told me that his original intent was to research it and find out if it was true. If it was, he would follow Islam until he died. If he found out that it was not true, he would leave the cult. I had no idea he was even researching it until we were together for at least 3 years. He then suddenly told me.
Yes, Indonesia is changing and awakening, but very slowly. I lived there for more than a decade and have seen very little change over that time. My husband is a rare Indonesian, to be quite honest. He is the only Indonesian I have met who had a clear enough head or enough balls to even research Islam. He is the only one I've met in my life who has reasoning and lack of hatred, anger and violence towards those who question Islam. He readily admits it will take years for him to purge all the hatred he was taught from birth, however, I have always known him to be an exceedingly kind person, to Muslims and non-Muslims. It's part of his in-born character, thankfully. I have a great deal of respect for him because he has always remained true to his character since I first met him and has never caved in to outside pressure to be more fanatical.
Anyways, thanks very much for making all of this very important info available. I am reading a great deal of your website, learning more and more. Some things I find make me laugh, others make me so angry I'm shaking, and others yet make me cry. This whole experience with my husband has been traumatic for both of us as I have felt quite useless to help him get through his suffering, but the worst of it has been suffered by him. Thanks again and I hope you are able to keep up this work for many more years. I cannot believe people call you a 'racist'. This is hilarious, as I never realized Islam was a bloody RACE. It's a religion. Do the Islamists not even know that simple fact?? The more Muslims who understand Islam for what it really is and leave, taking their entire families with them, the better the world and all of our societies will be.
That is a wonderful news. I know that Indonesia is awakening. Kudus to your husband. Good people are like fish out of water in Islam. And what your husband says about feeling happier after leaving Islam is very true. This happened to me and I hear it from all the people who left Islam. Of course there is also hardship that some have to face, specially if they live in Islamic countries.
My husband was born Muslim in Indonesia. Although this was the case, he had always had misgivings about it and researched and studied to find the truth of Islam for several years. His peaceful, non-confrontational nature never did fit in with Islamic teachings.
I had actually previously been married to a completely psychotic Indonesian Muslim man who nearly killed me, beat me, raped me, split my head open, knocked me unconscious, etc. He also beat my son. It was nearly impossible for me to get a divorce from him as he believed I was his property, as Islam teaches. My Muslim mother in law even tried to poison me and encouraged him to beat me more, telling him I was a western prostitute, telling me that if I gave him money he would stop beating me. At that time she told me that he had been married to an Indonesian woman before me and also beat her. My Muslim father in law was also always trying to get money from me. As was my Muslim sister in law and other Muslim family members. They wanted my money. Thankfully, I finally was able to get divorced and be free of that evil family before they killed me. It was very difficult, but I finally made it happen. But I did not want to make the same mistake when getting married again later in my life.
When I met my current husband several years later, when we were dating, I was naturally very cautious. I did not trust Muslim men at all. Especially not Indonesian Muslim men. He seemed very kind, non-violent, thoughtful and intelligent, though. Unlike my previous husband. So we continued our relationship. However, before we married, I insisted we lived together in order to see if our personalities were compatible. I had seen many Muslim men go from `nice guys`to psychotic freaks once they married their wives. Their personalities changed completely. I didn`t want to risk this happening to me yet again. I`m from a Western country and all of the sexism in Islam is very much against what I believe in. So I insisted on us having a trial period of living together to see what his real personality would be like once we were married. He was hesitant because Islam says that a man and woman must be married, etc no sex befoe marriage, but fortunately he loved me enough to ignore that as much as he could. Luckily for me, he never was violent, abusive or cruel like I have seen so many other Muslim men act, so we did get married after living together for approximately 3 years. He is still a very kind man and has never treated me badly. I didn`t know at that time he had already been researching Islam for his own knowledge since he was a university student.
When my husband & I got married he was still Muslim. I was required to `convert`in order for the marriage to take place. That`s the law in Indonesia. So I did. I have never agreed with any religion and wanted to part of it, but didn`t think there was any harm in it. I thought I would just do it so we could get married and it would make his family happy. That was before I understood a lot more about Islam. I already knew it was a sexist religion, etc, but I wasn`t worried about it because I already knew that my husband was very kind because we had lived together for 3 years. However, after we were married, my husband continued to research Islam and told me all of the crazy things he was finding out about Islam and Muslims. We were both quite shocked to find out how evil the teachings of Islam actually are. And then I began seeing photos of the shariah police in Aceh, Indonesia, beating women like dogs, etc. Then I began researching more myself. I was sickened and upset by the things I was finding. Many very disturbing images of women being stoned to death, beheadings, etc. I told my husband, I`m sorry, but I CANNOT follow this religion. I was worried that he might be upset. But no, he understood. He cannot tolerate violence against women either. I really thank him for teaching me more about the reality of Islam as well.
The result of his independent research has been that he has left Islam completely – which was very difficult for him but easier than following evil Islam – and has now taken up Buddhism. He also tries to educate his friends about the evils of Islam, he educates other western people about the evils of Islam, and he also now practices reiki and pranic healing and is much happier. I know he will never go back to Islam. He is a peaceful person, one who cares about all living beings, not just Islamists. Islam is NOT peaceful in any way, therefore totally against his character and nature. Although we continue to live in his country, I cannot go along with any Islamic bullshit and the lies Islam teaches. My Muslim friends will no longer talk to me or my husband, but we don`t care. We are happy and at peace. The important thing is my husband is now much happier than he was when he was Muslim. And so am I. They, however, are not.
I sometimes laugh when they say stupid things to me about Islam and tell me that I don`t understand Islam. They tell me I have no god LOL It is THEY who don`t understand it, even though they were born Muslim. It is THEY who choose to remain blind. It is they who are following a false god. I think I will mail them copies of your book, anonymously, so they don`t know the gift is from me. They can then read the book in secret. Maybe it will help them leave Islam too.
We also bought your book some time last year, after my husband left Islam. Very interesting, and often amusing haha 🙂 Muhammad sounds like a completely twisted freak, to be quite honest. As does the god he claimed to follow. Only a very mentally ill person could come up with such complete evil rubbish. Even my western friends were quite shocked when they found out more things about Islam. They no longer feel that they have to show tolerance towards this religion now that they know the reality about it, and the manner in which Islamists really view them as non-believers.
Good luck with spreading the word about the evils of Islam. You are doing good work, and providing a very necessary public service, no matter what the Islamists are saying about you or to you. Good things will continue coming your way 😉
It is very easy to know those who try to rebut me did not read my book. They bring up arguments that are already discussed and answered in the book. Furthermore, they never try to bring up anything mentioned in the book to refute. It is not difficult to know someone has not read the book by the way they conduct their discussion.
I read the Quran and know everything in it. I quote it in most of my articles. There are hundreds of passages of the Quran quoted in my book. So obviously I must have read it. Yet is a boring book and hard to read, but it is after al a small book that can be read in a few days. It tool me much longer because I wanted to see what text says in Arabic so I had to read the Arabic and the Persian and English translation at the same time.
I can tell you anyone who reads my book will leave Islam. You want to put this to test? Read it and tell me you still believe in Islam. I will then quiz you to make sure you read the book and will prove you have not read it.
Just wondering, as I'm still new here, how did you know that those who rebut your points, didn't actually read your book?
Can I assume that you never really finish reading Quran?
Your points are full of assumptions, that's what I see.
That is true John. Muslims’ only line of defense is tu quo que. They want to know what your belief is so they can attack it. If they can find fault in your belief they stop thinking about the absurdities in theirs and think they have “refuted” you. They actually haven’t. Finding fault in other beliefs does not make the stupidities of Islam go away.
However, when they realize I do not have any belief system that they can attack they become helpless. To me they have to stop the monkey business and defend Islam. But that is not possible.
What they are really missing is that they cannot refute you because you are not pushing a personal idea. You are revealing the Quran, Hadith, and Sira that expose Muhammad and Islam for what it really is. These things are supposed to be Islam's secrets from the West, but they are coming to light.
Congratulations Raiyu.
Yes there are many who have tried to refute me but none of them has actually read my book. Even they will leave Islam if they read the book.
As them whether they read my book and if they say yes ask whether they are willing to pass a quiz to verify they have. I will conduct the quiz via Gchat. You will then see that they haven't. It is simply not possible for a sane person to read the book and still insist defending Islam.
I have not heard of one person who has read your book. But, I have read a good number of sites that refute every single one of your claims.
Google "Ali Sina Refuted"
Rabheddine, Are you willing to read my book? You will leave Islam if you read it. Thousands of people left Islam after reading it. When the mystery of Muhammad is resolved, no one will want to stay a Muslim.
There have been many books written against Muhammad. Most of them are very good and valid. Some use lame arguments such as those who claim Muhammad is a mythical personage. However, my book is the only book that explains the secret of Muhammad. Once you know that secret you will not want to be a Muslim a single day.
A Muslim from Pakistan wrote to me trying to make me see my errors. I noticed this gentleman is a smart man and a good man at heart. Instead of arguing with him I asked whether he would want to translate my book for a small fee. Unfortunately I can’t afford paying what his real worth is. He agreed and after finishing the work he also left Islam.
I have not heard from a single person who has read my book and has not left Islam yet. Not one! My book will end Islam. Now the question is how to persuade Muslims to read it. But I am not concerned. I know eventually they will. As more people leave Islam because of it, more people will learn about it.
I suggest you wait a few months and buy the sixth edition from bookstores. If not, I will send you the 4th edition in pdf. It is not as complete but good enough for you to leave Islam.
Hello Mark, Dr. Sina only reports the truth about the prophet and koran. Everything he says is bakced by the koran, hadiths, sira and reputed Islamic scholars.
You can certainly debate with Dr. Sina if you are a known scholar 🙂 All you have to do is go to the following web page and follow the instructions:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
If you do not follow the instructions, or do not follow them properly, then Sorry, No debate for you.
BTW where did you meet those Persians – in the US, Europe, Iran or somewhere else?
Dr. Sina?? Dr. of what? As usual most Persians I have met have such a hatred for Islam thanks to their fellow Persian Shia brothers who practice a very shady form of Islam. Now, as usual, another persian hack puts himself up as a scholar of Islam and tried to debunk a faith by degrading the Prophet and Koran. This good doctor feeds into the hate people who have a fear of Islam. I would like to debate this doctor if he is a true man. Seriously. I hope he is ready for when the wagons circle and I burn his dreams. I really want this guy to have a true debate with me.
Many thanks for sharing your experience here. I really like it.
I’m an apostate and I’m proud to say that I feel relieve now that I have left Islam
That is one of the oldest debating tactics in the world – accuse your opponent of sophistry when that is what you are doing. Everything Dr. Sina says is documented. Since you can't fight that, you fight with the words of a fool.
Also, while the notion of a stinky honey sounds very unfamiliar, stinky honey would work as a euphemism for Mariyah's sexual juices. When he came out of Hafsa's house with the "pleasure" dripping from his face (as the tafsir put it) how would Hafsa have noticed? Surely it wasn't literally dripping from his face. Surely he would not have walked out of the house without wiping his face of any such moisture, as he would have expected Hafsa or others to be outside, or else why did he lock the door? He locked the door because he thought she or someone else might be back soon. But Hafsa perhaps noticed not any actual drops on his face, which he would have wiped away. Hafsa would have noticed the strong SMELL on his face of Mariyah's sexual fluids. That would be the stinky honey mentioned in the other euphemistic hadith.
Fascinating investigation of hadiths and Islamic texts. I loved learning about the contradiction between honey as the cause of near divorce of all Muhammad's wives, and Maria as the cause of that near divorce. I had never even noticed that contradiction before. And the real topper was when Ali calls the honey a code word for the honey between Maria's legs! That in turn seemed confirmed by the tafsir Ali quotes in which Muhammad comes out of Hafsa's house with "pleasure" dripping from his mouth! Thus "honey" in the one source strongly appears as a euphemism for Maria's sexual juices. That whole investigation by Ali seems brilliant.
Also brilliant to notice that Muhammad, on the day of his "son's" death, talks about adultery, and about women being ungrateful.
This effort to think through the implications of all that is happening, rather than taking the texts at mere face value, is a gift.
I just can't understand how much brilliant you think you are… Your style of writing is not the one of a scholar but rather of a lazy college student… I just love your easy shortcut style, full of assumption. I am not pretending to be a good English narrator, my English is actually very poor but it is sufficient enough to see all the sophism you are using!
I am new to this website, yet I have learned about Muslims way of life more than anything else. It is quite revealing, thought provoking. Now i know the DNA molecules of Islam.