The Sound, Sane and Rational Quran that Makes You Laugh

 

In the comment section of this site I asked a Muslim who said people should read the Quran instead of reading my articles, whether she has read the Quran. She replied, “Yes I did.   Your strategies are not going to work on any sound, sane and rational mind. You’re wasting your time, take my word.”

I am not going to take her word, but I decided to quote a few verses of the Quran and ask Muslims to highlight the parts that are sound, sane and rational.

The Quran says, “Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals.” And then the angels tested him to make sure he has remembered them. (Q.2:31)

So far zoologists have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals. And, although there are a million named species of insects, scientists estimate that there could be another million waiting to be discovered and named! This number does not include subspecies. There are even more species of plants.

Under this light can you still say that the verse 2:31 is sound, sane and rational?

 

The Quran 2:55-56 says, Allah stroke the Jews with lightening when they disbelieved and then revived him so they thank Him.

“And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly; and even while ye gazed the lightning seized you. Then We revived you after your extinction, that ye might give thanks.”

I don’t know what is your definition of sound, sane and rational. This sounds like something someone suffering from narcissistic personality disorder would do. Narcissists love to crush and humiliate others and then rescue  them in order to show their absolute power over them. This video is a perfect example of what I am talking about.  No sane person with sound and rational mind would behave in this way, let alone God, the maker of this universe.  This pathetic behavior befits mentally insane people.

 

 

The Quran 2:61 says at the time of Moses Allah brought down abasement and humiliation upon the Jews because they disbelieved in the messages of Allah and killed the prophets unjustly.

The injustice of this punishment is not the point. The point is that Moses was the first prophet sent to the Jews. So how could Allah punish them for a crime that they had not yet committed?

Is this sound, sane and rational?

 

The Quran 41:11 says, “Then He [Allah] directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.

Even the first graders know that heaven and earth are not separate from each other.  Earth is s spec inside the vast universe – the heaven.  So the Earth and the Heaven coming together or being separate from each other is an absurdity.  The Earth is inside the heaven. It can never be separate from it. But that is not my point.  My point is that Earth and all other planets and stars that make up the heaven are inanimate objects.  They move by the force of gravity. They don’t have a mind of their own and can’t obey or disobey.  They are rocks. Can rocks think, talk and decide what to do? According to the Quran 2:74 yes. It says “And indeed there are rocks which fall down for the fear of Allah.” This to me sounds like stories told for children, not for sound, sane and rational minds.

 

The verses 2:65-66 claim that Jews were told not to break the Sabbath, but when they did, Allah transformed them into apes and made them despised and hated, to set an example and admonition to the God-fearing.

This story is repeated three times in the Quran. It does not sound very sound, sane and rational. Now of course Allah can do anything even the ridiculous.  My question is whether this punishment does not exceed the crime. Why working in Sabbath should be such a big deal for Allah and if it is, why He did not ratify it with Muhammad? Allah ratified the law or stoning the adulterers, but forgot to ratify the abstention from work in Sabbath?

 

Asma, is one young lady who left Islam a few months ago. She was helped by Shakila whose story is posted in this site. She wrote to me a few days ago pointing to a contradiction in the Quran that I had not noticed.

She said that despite the fact that usury (ribah) is prohibited in Islam, Allah in the Quran 2:245 offers ribah to Muslims. He asks them to finance Muhammad’s wars and promises to repay them with huge interest after they die. She asked why is it okay for Allah and his messenger to practice usury, but it is not okay for Muslims.  Asma is wrong. Ribah in Islam is prohibited. Allah and his messenger in this verse are practicing taqiyyah, the holy deception. There will be no reward for all those benighted fools who give their money and life for Muhammad and his fictitious Allah. It does not sound logical for God to need people’s money to finance the raids of his prophet when he can count with the force of his angels and can make calamities to strike his enemies.

At least in the time of Moses, Allah punished his detractors on his own. Did he lose his power when he sent Muhammad? Why would he need to borrow money from Muslims to finance the raids of his favorite prophet?

 

Although the Quran repeatedly claims to be conveyed clearly (Q. 2:99; 5:15 -16; 10:15; 6:55; 45:25; 41:53; 35:40; 26:195; 24:1; 17:12; 2:256), a complete book that covers all things (Q. 6:38; 16:89; 17:89; 18:54), easy to understand (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) with all kinds of examples (Q.39:27; 30:58) and no doubt in it (Q 2:2;  11:1), explained in detail  (Q. 6:114), which cannot be changed (Q 6:115; 15:41), self-explanatory (Q. 2:185) and without any contradiction (Q 4:82), the verse 3:7 says, Allah “is he who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation, but none knows its interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge. This verse seems to be contradicting all those claims about the clarity and the ease of understanding of the Quran.

What is the point of giving parables that no one understands? Parables are used to make complex concepts clear, not to make them more difficult to understand. Something does not sound very sound, sane and rational in this verse.

 

Now here is something  that is sane, sound and rational. The verse 2:230 says if a man divorces his wife three times she shall not be lawful to him afterwards until she marries another husband; then if he divorces her there is no blame on them if they return to each other.

Brilliant! If in the heat of rage you utter the word talaq three times to your wife, you can no longer remarry her until someone else marries her, takes her to bed and enjoys her for some times and then if he divorces her you can take the mother of your children home and she will become lawful to you again.

This goes beyond sane, sound and rational. It is genius! How could an illustrate man of the Seventh Century Arabia know this much?

 

But let us be fair. There are also nuggets of truth in the Quran. Take the example of the verses 3:54 and  8:30 that say “and Allah is the best of deceivers” (waAllahu khayru almakireen ). Who can argue with that?    This is where the Bible and the Quran coincide. The Book of Revelation 12:9 says Satan is the deceiver of the whole world.

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1,570 Responses

  1. PapaRomeo says:

    How about proving him wrong with your explanation, instead of just saying he is wrong.

  2. PapaRomeo says:

    A muslim converted to Christianity says,

    Their great book is the Qur’n of Koran, for which the most extreme verbal, divine inspiration is claimed. In it Jesus is acknowledged to be a great prophet of God, but inferior to Mohammed. They hold that our Lord was born of a virgin, and that He was the promised Messiah. They affirm that as the Koran superseded the Holy Scriptures, so Mohammed superseded our Lord, Mohammed made the most ridiculous claims for himself, saying, “I was a prophet when Adam was still between clay and water.” he claimed that God said to him, “Had it not been for thee, I had not have created the world.” The koran contains outstanding inaccuracies, such as the confusing of Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron, with the virgin Mary, and depicting Haman, chief nobleman at the court of Ahasuerus, king of Persia, as a minister of Pharaoh, King of Egypt. Dr SM Zwemer says, “The koran has many historical errors, contains monstrous fables, teaches a false cosmogony and is full of superstition.”

    I, personally, read the Koran. After reading the Bible I consider Koran a “joke” of the highest order. Nothing coherent, no sequence or chronological order. It is basically a great confusion. It is a laugh.

  3. dssc7 says:

    A`uudzubillaahi minasy syaithaanir rajiim,
    Bismillaahirrahmaanirrahiim,

    Mr Ali Sina,
    I disagree with your opinion:" how God punished the Jews for the crimes that have not been done". Let us quote the full translation of Quran 2:61

    And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.

    This verse tells the story of the Jews who are not satisfied with the good luck that had been given to them, such as manna and salwa food ( Quran 2:57 ), twelve springs ( Quran 2:60 ), but they are asking again vegetables, cucumbers, garlic, lentils and its onions. . " In this regard the Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam advised them to seek some other city will definitely find of interest.

    THEN………. they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.

    The humiliation did not occur during the time of Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam , but after the Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam.

    The next fact the Jews killed the prophets themselves , among others, the Prophet Zechariah ` alaihi salam and Yahya ` alaihi salam ( John the Baptist ) , and tried to kill `Isa `alaihi salam ( Jesus).

    The facts showed the Jews left their country. They were slaved, oppressed, persecuted for thousands of years by European nations.They finally got up , and returned to the land of their ancestors and built a country, namely Israel, but gluttony and greed are still inherited, especially by Ariel Sharon.

    O Children of Israel, you may return to your homes, but do not be greedy , therefor mend your relationship with your neighbor (Palestinian state) . Do they maintain and preserve the land of your ancestors for thousands of years, don`t they?

    Let us quote the full translation of Quran 2:58 and 2:62
    And ( remember) when We said : " Enter ye into the country ( Baitul Maqdis ) , and eat of his produce , which is much more palatable where you like, and enter the gate while prostrate, and say : " Deliver us from sin " , We shall forgive your sins , and later we will add ( giving Us ) to those who do good " .
    ( Quran 2:58 )

    Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans, those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve (Quran 2:62).

  4. Muhammad Fawaz says:

    Please Can u change this pic i,m a Customer Care officer for taj company holy 

  5. rubayasiraj says:

    I do agree with the part that it doesn't mean three oral divorces but three divorces. But how does that make the fact that a woman has to marry another man, consummate the marriage and after getting divorced, only then she can marry her previous husband? Would any sane man who loves his wife/ex-wife give her over to another man? I mean if she is no longer your wife and you don't love her that's another thing. But a man would only marry his divorced wife if he loves her (or if she wants to use her for other purpose like breeding more Muslims, that's a religious act for Muslim men). And consummation is compulsory. What if the woman doesn't want to get married to another man? Is the rule applicable to men? No. Why? Why is it that in the end it is all about the carnal desires of the Muslim men?

  6. Sakat says:

    @Abdu
    /I think the author is trying his best to hide the real image of Islam/
    Oh ye!! will you please enlightened us what is the reality and image of Islam

  7. Abdul says:

    GUYS. I think the author is trying his best to hide the real image of Islam. now I think that a religion that makes author take this effort to collect false facts is worth looking into, it won't harm you. look at it by yourself and make the judgment yourself. don't let anyone tell you what is good or bad for you as the author is trying to do. as you can see guys how low these people go in there claims, it only reflects their thoughts. if Islam wasn't the just religion, the educational, the core of civilization, look at the start of Islam in 700 AD and look 500 years after that, you can see that Islam build civilizations, knowledge, medicine. if you don't believe look at by your self but everyone reading this post. TRY YOUR BEST NOT TO READ FROM BIASED PEOPLE like this author. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN FROM CHRISTIANITY WHO WROTE THEIR TRUE OPINIONS ABOUT ISLAM.

  8. Abdullah says:

    I do't know guys where you got all these ideas about Islam, I've never heard that criticism is divorce. becareful guys in what you say. every person dies then he will meet God. Allah is the same God who sent Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. whether we call him Allah or you call him other names. stay away from insulting God. you never existed without him, and you will return to him.
    the most important thing, why do you live on insulting others, read about Islam from its books, never read books that who wrote them had the bad intent to make a bad image about Islam.

  9. I-HATE-ISLAM says:

    Armaan, such indecency is stupid to you because you are rational. The muhammaan considers that practice to be divine because their god decreed it. Their imams capitalize on this by urging couples to divorce so that the women can give them free sex before reuniting with their husbands. Sex is so central to muhammadanism that each muslim is obsessed with it. It will be endless in their paradise and formed one of the three cardinal raison d'etre of their pedophile prophet. You should not expect anything different from those who think that he set the best example for them.

  10. armaan says:

    Your the stupid guy zitouni…The lady might not be his wife…but why does she HAVE to go sleep with another man if she WANTS to get back with her just divorced husband?? Say you and your wife divorce…and then u both want to get back togethr the very next instant, are you ok with the fact that she has to sleep with some other man just to be able to do that? How stupid is that??

  11. armaan says:

    i am born a hindu..but when i read the manusmriti' i knew it was wrong…the manusmriti is a stupid thing. But i have the guts to say something is wrong even if its part of my religion. If my religion tells me to beat my wife and use her like an object for just sexual satisfaction, i will not defend it. I will openly shun it. My religion gives me the right to choose what i want to believe. I dont have to be scared and follow anything blindly. You should try that too.

  12. armaan says:

    to be honest i dont think this site has tried to incite hatred against the people of islam…just against the prophet…in my opinion atleast i think he is trying to save you…

  13. Ganesh M says:

    Kaafirs are worse than animals according to Koran. I do not know why he created the Animals if they are very worse.I should commend allah for one thing, he has given Kaafirs a better brain than what he has given to muslims. How can one explain the fact that most major scientific inventions were done by kaafirs and not muslims .Comparison between man & other living species was done by Koran itself by stating kaafirs are worse than Animals.

  14. AhmadScott says:

    I think its actually good to have people like him challenging Muslims to understand the Quran better, but unfortunately people like this guy have a tendency to get emotional and end up making things up and give misleading information. He just over did it. If anyone actually looks up his first argument for example they'll see the verse doesn't actually say anything about plant and animals, it says only names, it is the BIBLE that claims God taught Adam names of animals. Shia muslims believe this means names of prophets and other great people that are to emerge from his line. This is very sound, sane and rational. If anyone is really interested in learning about Islam, this article at least is a waste of their time.

  15. Cookson says:

    Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
    Tabari VIII:187"The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."
    Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."
    Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes – and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
    Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you – submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting – previously married or virgins."
    @ Ali, the good old Mo is at it agaian:

    Tabari VIII:117"Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead."
    Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

    Bukhari:V5B59N524"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"

    Tabari VIII:110"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"

    Bukhari:V4B52N143
    V5B59N523"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
    Tabari VIII:122
    Ishaq:515"Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."

    Ishaq:517"When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."

    Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If…any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."

  16. Cookson says:

    @Ali – the Good old Mo in action:
    Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."

    Tabari VIII:187"The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."

    Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."

    Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes – and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."

    Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you – submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting – previously married or virgins."

    Tabari VIII:117"Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead." Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

    Bukhari:V5B59N524"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
    Tabari VIII:110"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"
    Bukhari:V4B52N143

    V5B59N523"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"

    Tabari VIII:122
    Ishaq:515"Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."

    Ishaq:517"When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."

    Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If…any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."

  17. Cookson says:

    Islam is the most peaceful religion. Take a look at these:

    Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

    Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
    Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
    Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

    Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
    Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

    Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

    Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

    Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

    Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."

    Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

    Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

  18. Cookson says:

    Dr Ali Sina just did not have enough time to add these, after all Islam is the most peaceful religion:

    Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

    Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

    Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
    Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
    Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."

    Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
    Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

    Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

    Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
    Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."

    Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

    Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

  19. Cookson says:

    Islam is the most peaceful religion, just take a look at these:

    Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

    Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

    Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
    Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
    Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."

    Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

    Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

    Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

    Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

    Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."

    Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

    Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

  20. Cookson says:

    Islam is the most rational and logical, check this out:

    Bukhari:V7B71N643"I heard the Prophet saying, 'If anyone of you dreams something he dislikes, when you get up, blow thrice on your left.'"

    Bukhari:V9B87N115"If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you."

    Bukhari:V6B60N373"The Prophet explained, 'Paradise and Hell argued…. Allah said to the Hell Fire, "You are my (means of) punishment by which I torment whoever I wish of my slaves. You will have your fill. As for the Fire, it will not be filled until I put My Foot over it.'"

    Bukhari:V7B71N590"The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."

    Bukhari:V7B71N592"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.'"

    Bukhari:V7B71N673"Allah's Apostle said, 'If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"

    Qur'an 49:12"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"

  21. Cookson says:

    Allah the wise guy !

    Bukhari:V7B71N643"I heard the Prophet saying, 'If anyone of you dreams something he dislikes, when you get up, blow thrice on your left.'"

    Bukhari:V9B87N115"If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you."

    Bukhari:V6B60N373"The Prophet explained, 'Paradise and Hell argued…. Allah said to the Hell Fire, "You are my (means of) punishment by which I torment whoever I wish of my slaves. You will have your fill. As for the Fire, it will not be filled until I put My Foot over it.'"

    Bukhari:V7B71N590"The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."

    Bukhari:V7B71N592"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.'"

    Bukhari:V7B71N673"Allah's Apostle said, 'If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"

    Qur'an 49:12"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"

  22. Cookson says:

    Allah the wise go?

    Qur'an 79:1"I swear by those (angels) who violently tear out (the souls), and drag them forth to destruction, by those who gently take out, by those meteors rushing by, swimming along (angels or planets), and by those who press forward as in a race (the angels, or stars, or horses [the translators added, clueless as to what "god" was trying to say]), and by those who regulate the affair."

    Bukhari:V7B71N665"The Prophet said, 'No contagious disease is conveyed without Allah's permission.'" Bukhari:V4B54N484 "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Fever is from the heat of the Hell Fire.'"

    Bukhari:V8B77N616"Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture which Allah sends upon whom-so-ever He wishes.'"

    Qur'an 38:17"We endued Our slave David with power. It was We who subdued the hills to sing Our praises with him at nightfall. And the birds were assembled, all obedient to him."
    Qur'an 89:6"Saw you not how your Lord dealt with [the mythical] Ad, possessors of lofty buildings, the likes of which were not produced in all the land?"

    Qur'an 91:11"Thamud rejected (their prophet) through inordinate wrong-doing. Behold, the most-wicked wretch among them broke forth but the Messenger said: 'Be cautious. It is a She-camel of Allah! And bar her not from having her drink!' But they rejected him as a false prophet and hamstrung her. So Allah on account of their crime, obliterated their traces, doomed them, desolated their dwellings, leveling them to the ground for their sin."

    Qur'an 78:37"The Lord with Whom they cannot dare to speak, none can converse with Him, none are able to address Him."

    Qur'an 86:13"Lo this (Qur'an) is a conclusive Word; it is not a thing for amusement. It is no pleasantry. And it is no joke."

  23. lak says:

    thats exactly what we say – you need to be of rational mind , of come whatever even to the possiblitiy of rejecting some verses in the name of rationality. you cant believe a poison(eg cyanide) to be elixir – just because it is in the quaran.

  24. lak says:

    sanatan dharma – or infact any dharmic spirituality – which is eternal and doesnt bother which god or representation you beleive in – you can even be an atheist questioning all its principles – its ditto evolution and scientific theory and metaphysics

  25. Dr.A.Anburaj says:

    Scientifically speaking God has nothing to do with "religions".Read all the religious books available particularly Hinduism – Sri Ramakrishna Paramshamsa,Swami Vivekananda,Bhagawad Gita etc
    taking them as guiding torch he live a life morally sound.Hinduism says – Satyam-truth and dharma-justice alone is important other items in religion are paraphernalia. Science is non-personnel.similarly relgion must be

  26. aminthemystic says:

    As i said .. . . Sina simply pretended that later his book talks about this. The thing is he copied this from answering-islam site without understanding.

    There is one singular report from a book called Bada wal Tarikh – which mentions from Qatadah that Prophet Muhammad had a son called Abdul Menaf before advent of Islam. Hence making the total number of sons to three.

    "Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name. "

    Wrong – this is title given to Abdullah.

    More here soon:
    http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/

    – – –

    "Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do. "

    His research is poor- he has simply copied material from answering-islam and other websites. Here he makes the idiotic mistake.

    – – –

    I should be given 50,000 for pointing all these out!

  27. aminthemystic says:

    This is copied and plagiarized from Wikipedia:

    "Traditions that are diffusely recurrent are called mutawattir. These traditions have come down to later generations through a large number of chains of narrations, involving diverse transmitters. It is virtually impossible that all these people, living in different localities and espousing (at times radically) different views, would come together, to fabricate the exact same lie and attribute it to their prophet."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%27tazila#Validity

  28. Muslim says:

    The Quran says, “Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals.” And then the angels tested him to makesure he has remembered them.(Q.2:31)
    Do you really could read Ali Sina? the above verse, Allah describes the names of the objects only to Adam, and the paragraph above in no way saying that is taught is Man, that knowledge can only adam, not the son adam! if adam will give everything he knew to his son? maybe not right! whether a father will tell his sons what he knows any? if you have a child who is 5 years old, if you will give him all the names of things? The verse above is very reasonable!

  29. star says:

    You can kill more christians like in orissa and have peace.

  30. olamidee says:

    8:22 Lo! the worst of beasts in
    Allah's sight are the deaf, the
    dumb, who have no sense. (8:22) "The worst of beasts
    in Allah's sight are the deaf, the
    dumb, who have no sense [the
    non-muslims]." 8:23 Had Allah known of any
    good in them He would have
    made them hear, but had He
    made them hear they would have
    turned away, averse.

    Then what are the Deaf and Dumb doing in Islam?

  31. abims says:

    zitouni u are sick in d head go and examined urself very well

  32. Julia says:

    YEP ,YOU SAY A LOT ALI(en). BUT…NOTHING WORTHWHILE ! Nothing, nada .
    Only evil CRAP !
    NEXT !!! LOL

  33. papa romeo says:

    Then why the hell are you commenting here. Get lost and mind your own f****n business.

  34. IYAD says:

    was jesus married to mary magdalene ?The New Testament contains no explicit answer to the question of Jesus’ marital state. It never mentions his wife, nor that he was unmarried. In fact, whenever the New Testament gospels refer to Jesus’ natural relatives, they speak only of his father, mother, and siblings, but never of a wife.

    Although almost all scholars of all religious persuasions take this as strong evidence of the singleness of Jesus, a few have proposed that, in fact, Jesus was married. In 1970, for example, William E. Phipps published Was Jesus Married? The Distortion of Sexuality in the Christian Tradition. In this book Phipps argued that the silence of the New Testament about the marital status of Jesus indicates that Jesus was in fact married. Why? Because virtually every Jewish man in Jesus’ day did marry, especially those who were considered to be Rabbis.

  35. Julia says:

    To Anburaj .
    I don't trust any muslim, and I never will.
    A muslim is a person who believes in Allah, the evil fake Prophet Mohammed , the evil Quran and the even still more evil sunna. This says it all ! Read it and you know why!
    Muslims smile in your (kafir) face but curse you inwardly.!!!
    There just ONE solution : ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED ! AND IT WILL BE DESTROYED …WITH ONLY THE TRUTH !!

  36. Julia says:

    You are a backward suprstitious MORON ,ABU ……HAM.
    Prove first that your Allah exist , you retarded inbred muslim.

  37. Dr.A.Anburaj says:

    http://www.new age islam contains reasonable good articles. Best articles may be published

  38. abu alhaytham says:

    remove this photo, this is bad , or allah will Tortures you………..

  39. LaMazhab says:

    @Ali – Before you get all worked up, here is something to chew on!

    Religion in 99.99% cases is not something one selects or has a choice (roughly there are only 0.01 % converts). It is very much like one cannot choose parents. It is certainly not something we learn based on logic & reasoning, it is forced upon us by our parents (or guardians). As infants, we have no say in it. By the time one is old enough to realize what one's religion is all about, it is too late – our minds are already 'programmed' and we have already developed a bias for that religion in which we are born. From there on, 'the programmed' brain considers all other religions as wrong and inferior. That is the power of that bias. It is sometimes engraved in our brains and it is not easy (almost impossible) for it to be rectified – it all depends on the intensity of the programming. No I am not a programmer 🙂

    Be honest and think about this – If you were born in a Hindu or Christian or Jewish family, chances are extremely high (99.99%) that you would have followed one of these and not Islam. your religion is based on faith, & not logic – When it comes to religion, it is almost impossible to applying logic & be fair (with yourself), why? Because of the superiority bias you develop for your religion/faith – the bias is more powerful & will prevent you to be have an open mind.

    If you have an open mind (with no bias) you will be amazed with the questions that will go through your mind – the entire thought process changes (research neuron connections & thought process). The existence of a super power the way religions describe with the concept of an 'ALL knowing' super power (call it anything you like – Allah, God, Ram ….) it does not make any sense for that super power to even create humans (or even the entire universe) & then test them so they can go to heaven or hell, really! If you cannot see what is wrong with this concept it is only because your bias is preventing you to think straight. I challenge you to think and then understand why it does not make any sense for an 'ALL knowing' to create all this. Today science does not have ALL the answers (& it never will have ALL the answers) but we can say it with certainty that the concept of religions (& I mean ALL religions) does not make any sense & as such they are all false.

    For now watch this video and see how human brain works in trying to make sense of this chaotic world. Enjoy!

    [youtube vm971ltF44A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm971ltF44A youtube]

  40. TheFinalTestament says:

    I replied the following to your next post as well!

    The kind that is called 'fact' – sorry, you should have not challenged US! I am now forced to expose your version of Islam (I know you think yours is the & should be the ONLY version).

    Why was Rashad Khalifa killed by 'main stream' Muslims?
    (Your website – http://submission.org/#/d/miracle.html)

    May be because a) he called himself a messenger of God b) he had to change two instances in Quran in order to make his miracle 19 fit – for which he claims (with his prove) that Quran was changed and God sent him (after Mohammed) to correct it – Rashad's Followers claim – Rashad is even mentioned in Quran (indirectly of course!). Certainly all this was (& still is) hard to swallow for the main stream Muslims – as such Rashad had to go – he was killed.

    Having said that – If you are following 'The Final Testament' – in my eyes your are OK! Rashad was an educated person (ph.D.). He tried his best (even gave his life) to fix the flaws in traditional Quran/Islam by – changing the translation (milder tone, which you use in your arguments), teaching peace (concentrating on peaceful verses revealed in Mekkah), ignoring violence (verses revealed in Madina), removing Hijab, attempting to show equal rights for women – in short Rashad was a true 'moderate/modern' Muslim. Unfortunately some of the things he did (but he had no bad intentions) – did not go too well with the main stream Muslims. He threw aside all Hadith's, because some of the Hadith do make Mohammed (& Islam) look bad & some of the Hadith did not fit his (revised) model of Islam. He wanted a reformed, respectful & peaceful Islam. I say if you guys (Rashad's followers) can even convert 25% of the main stream muslims to your version, this world will change – go for it!

    You are doing good in attempting to reform 'other traditional Muslims', but for crying out loud, what on earth are you doing here on this site – You need to go on the web sites that belong to main stream Muslims. Why on earth would you try to defend Islam here. The Muslims we argue with are the traditional main stream Muslims – they will kill you before us!

    Peace Brother!

  41. LaMazhab says:

    Religion in 99.99% cases is not something one selects or has a choice. It is very much like one cannot choose parents. It is not something we learn based on logic, it is forced upon us by our parents (or guardians). As infants, we have no say in it. By the time one is old enough to realize what one's religion is all about, it is too late – our minds are already 'programmed' and we have developed a bias for that religion in which we are born. From there on, all other religions will be marked as wrong and inferior in our minds. That is the power of that bias, that sometimes get engraved in our brains and it is not easy (almost impossible) to be rectified – depending on the intensity of the programming. (No I am not a programmer javascript:void(0); )

    Be honest and think – If you were born in a Hindu or Christian or Jewish family, chances are extremely high (99.99%) that you would have followed one of these and not Islam. your religion is based on faith, & not logic – It is almost impossible to applying logic & be fair, why? Because of the (superiority) bias one develops for his/her religion, even if one attempts to apply any reasoning/logic it will not be fair and accurate – the bias is more powerful.

    I have read your comments about women's equal rights in Islam & unfortunately your bias is preventing you to see facts and realize what equal really means. Equality also means, if there are any conditions on one side there should same conditions on the other. You acknowledge that men and women should be equal in life and you then try to look for the same in your religion (faith) – and that is fair and logical. However, your attempt to prove that equality in terms of rights for men and women really exists in Islam/Quran fails, and your bias prevents you to see that what you presented as 'equal 's not equal at all. Let me 'try' and explain what I mean.

    But before I get to the rights I want comment on your different Quranic translations – If one can translate the same Quranic verses from Arabic (& I am not talking about interpretation, merely direct translation) & produce many different meaning/translation in other languages, then this fact by itself is a very big flaw – Quran is supposed to be a guide. Today human beings write User Guides for appliances that are then translated in many languages & sold all over the world. For example – a User Guide for TV. No matter where the TV is sold & as such what language the guide is read in, the TV is operated in the same way because the translation from original language to all other languages are accurate there is no ambiguity at all. Yet with Quran, which is such an important book & it is written by the creator of this entire world, it can be translated (again not interpreted) differently. How am I to know with 100% certainty which translation is correct! For that matter, even if I know Arabic, I read a verse & it can have more than one meaning – I am doomed!

    Now coming back to equality for women. If men are permitted to do something based on conditions then women should be equally allowed to the same thins with the same conditions. Only then it is is equality. Not when you have to say 'but men have to follow very strict conditions before they can do that …" There should similar verses in Quran with similar conditions for both sexes, men and women. And we know that is not the case, you have said it your self – men are allowed (for example – multiple wives, beating the wife…) only on certain conditions. To that I say, there should have been verses with conditions that also allow women to …(multiple husbands, beat the husband)!

    I have no problems with any religion as long as the follower does not claim that his/her religion is truly based on logic. That is not true. No religion is based on logic, they are all based on faith, & faith which was imposed.

    WARNING: If you reply without reading my entire post, it will reflect in your comments javascript:void(0);

  42. aminriadh says:

    "I was talking to Ali , Amin. (see: no caps and no "!!!"and no swearing) Are you happy now?"

    Why, Thank you.

    – – – –

    "just a simple woman"

    I don't somehow believe that you are a woman.

    – – –

    "And English is not my first language as I told you before "

    Then what is it? Just out of interest.

    – – –

    "against whom you muslims must fight(qital) till the last day . "

    I have pointed out twice – there is no such word as "qital"

    – – –

    "But most of all : What about calling us disblievers "fuel for hell", "vilest of creatures","swines""and "monkeys"who must be subdued and humilited"

    As I have previously pointed out – what you claim . . . and what the Quranic verses actually say – tend to be different.

    As does their meaning, context, scope, veracity and etc.

    So when you are speaking about the Quran – then why don't you . . . give the exact verse number and quote – so we know what you are talking about.

    – – –

    Any perceived insult you feel from the Quran – I am not responsible for. Swearing at it – and swearing at me are 2 different things.

    You can do both . . . it is NOT my site – and not my job to moderate.

    But if you wish to SPEAK to me . . . and EXPECT an answer . . . then the least you can do is speak to me civilly.

    Now is that too much to ask?

    It is quite simple – no sane person will talk to someone if all the other person does is abuses them? Will they?

  43. Julia says:

    I was talking to Ali , Amin. (see: no caps and no "!!!"and no swearing) Are you happy now? Sorry for my poor English , I do the best I can . I'm no high and mighty muslimscholar, just a simple woman with some burning(huh,huh) questions about Islam .And English is not my first language as I told you before . But it is good enough for you to understand me … is it not 😉 ?. I even got some some nice compliments of readers.
    But now about Ali : This muslim was the best in swearing . I have to admit that. He came with words which I nver saw before , such as "dungsniffer","dikslurper"..and so on. What about that,Amin?
    But most of all : What about calling us disblievers "fuel for hell", "vilest of creatures","swines""and "monkeys"who must be subdued and humilited , against whom you muslims must fight(qital) till the last day . That's all in your Quran ! So, what about thát?

  44. aminriadh says:

    Troll – bad English, caps, these: "!!! " – and likes to swear and insult. Isn't happy unless you lower to that level.

  45. aminriadh says:

    Here is the repetitive stupidity . . . In translations of language to another often extra word have to be added – for understanding. However that does not mean that those word are extra by the author and not already implied.

    For example Arabic does not have anything equaling to the Arabic "is".

    – – –

    The stupidity? How can someone have "views" about a language that they do not understand?

  46. Julia says:

    Hi,ALI.
    "And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience. "
    YOU MEAN JINNS, FLYING DONKEY, TALKING MOUNTAINS,TREES AND ANTS, …SUN SETTING IN MURKY WATER ???? PROSTRATING AND KISSING A BLACK STONE ???
    YEP…THAT IS VERY RATIONAL !!! AND APPEALING TO HUMAN REASON AND CONSCIENCE !! …ISLAMIC CONSCIENCE ??? HAHAHAHAHAA
    COME WITH YOUR CHILDISH SWEARING ,I DON'T MIND AT ALL….IT IS EVEN FUNNY ! TO THE FACTS I GIVE YOU WILL CERTAINLY NOT REACT !!!
    I can go on and on with silly nonsense

  47. Julia says:

    i KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE IT ALI !
    BUT ISLAM WILL TUMBLE DOWN ! IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING NOW !!
    GET OVER IT ! YOU WIL FEEL MUCH BETTER ! FREEDOM FOR A SLAVE….WHAT A FEELING !!! 😉

  48. Julia says:

    I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND NONSENSE ,AMINRIADH !!! YOU UNDERSTAND EVEN THE NONSENSE OF ISLAM , BEING A MUSLIM SCHOLAR , AND KNOWING CLASIC ARABIC AND ALL !!! WOW ….AMAZING !!
    By the way : how do you translate in the classic Quran the words that are not even there ? Yep…there are words missing ,AMIN. YOU GUESS…I ASSUME ! ALLAH DOES NOT LIKE THAT !! ( Think about the many words between brackets in the translations !!)

  49. aminriadh says:

    The above statement are atypical of a troll. You will find them making such statements aplenty.

    Usually accentuated: In the above example by using capital letter and additions such as these"!!!"

    – – –

    However such statements are pretty meaningless – one can come up with such empty rhetoric all day long . . . laced with insult of one sort or another.

    – – –

    Is it worth to – hound a hound?

  50. aminriadh says:

    This troll has two question . . . and repeats them. When answered – will still repeat them.

    It absolutely doesn't matter – what is said. . . . the troll will simply ignore all that. Claim its two bits as a mighty weapon . . . and proceed to repeat.

  51. Julia says:

    OH. YES .WE CAN !!! AND WE ARE GOING TO !!!
    THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL BRAINWASHED MUSLIM !!!

  52. aminriadh says:

    A troll will not answer seriously – to anything. But will make what the troll imagines are witty comments.

  53. aminriadh says:

    As I said . . . a troll will repeat and repeat – one thing over and over . . .

    Someone pointed out this trolls words . . . . Sina mistook them as that persons. Hence he threatened him with a ban.

    Yet this persons comment were just on top . . . and Sina says he did not read them.

    Oh the hypocrisy . . . from the site author onwards.

    – – –

    Allegedly Sina – once banned this troll.

    – – –

    Obviously he didn't.

  54. Julia says:

    NO ANSWER OF ALI …..OF COURSE !!! BWAAAAHAAAA !!
    THE PRE-ISLAMIC IDOL,THE BLACK STONE !! DID ABRAHAM ALSO WORSHIP THIS …ER THING ??AND DO THE JEWS STILL THE SAME ??? MAN….ARE YOU BRAINWASHED !!!

  55. aminriadh says:

    The very definition of trollish behavior . . . will go around with one little bit – and despite all evidence – will brandish the stick.

    It doesn't matter what is said to a troll. It will resort to type – by repeating over and over . . . with personal insults and supposed smart-alec comments. . . which the troll imagines are "witty".

    – – –

    Hence why say anything at all?

  56. aminriadh says:

    How so? What that is it? Come on Raj – I know you don't make sense generally. But surely even you can venture more than that!

  57. Julia says:

    WHERE DID I SHY AWAY ,TROLL AMINRIADH ?? WHERE !!! POINT IT OUT ! 😉 I really don't knowwhat you mean here .
    YOU ARE THE COWARDOUS RUNNER HERE,AMIN !!
    By the way ,WHAT ABOUT MY ALIF,LAM MEEM -QUESTION AND THE BLACK STONE IDOL-QUESTION ???
    YOU can take your time , but please NOT UNTILL THE LAST DAY ! HHHAAAAAA !!

  58. aminriadh says:

    People who are OBVIOUSLY biased towards a point of view – will claim such things.

    Discussions or no discussions . . . it is obvious they already had such set position.

    Then claiming an excuse . . . you know its a lie.

    – – –

    It is quite beguiling that people who cannot read a word of Arabic – will attempt to venture views on its clarity or lack there of.

  59. Julia says:

    O.K. WHY THEN NOT SOME SILLY MEANINGLESS LETTERS AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY CAPTER ?
    THERE ARE ALREADY SURAH NAMES (ALSO MEANINGLESS !), There is no need for TWO reminders !! HAHAHAHA!!!
    By the way did Allah himself give you this ex[planation? I can not find it anywhere !! 😉
    But devastating for you by saying that"We cannot ascribe any particular meaning to these letters" is: YOU cal Allah a LIAR ,because Allah says that his Quran is easy to understand and EXPLAINED IN DETAIL ! 😉 😉

  60. aminriadh says:

    Wow! That is not even an Insult . . . you can do better!

  61. Julia says:

    STILL NOT ONE SINGLE CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER TO MY ALIF,LAM,MEEM-QUESTION !!

  62. Julia says:

    WOW ….MAN!!
    Islamic science ….and very USEFULL indeed !!
    Allah and Mohammed deserve the NOBL-PRIZE for this!
    Finally a nobel prize for muslims !!! HAHAHAHAHbwAAAAAA!

  63. Julia says:

    To Aminriadh.
    "No they don't – the word مكر has several meanings – for example good planning – or war planning. "
    It is claer by now, after reading your discussion with Dragost 7, that your Quran is not clear and not explained in detail ! HUH ,HUH !!
    Listen AMIN , If a real almighty God says that his book is clear and explained IN DETAIL THEN THÁT IS THE TRUTH!!
    Hence -YOUR ALLAH LIED – And I have successfully exposed that. (paraphrase!, funny hey?) 😉

  64. Julia says:

    CAN YOU SHOW US SOME JINNS ,ALI ???
    HAHAHA…BWAHAHA …
    SUPERSTITIOUS MUSLIM ( biggest insult)

  65. aminriadh says:

    People come to temptations – hence I have directly – or indirectly proven nothing . . . because NOT all priests are accused of – or do touch boys.
    – – –

    However – sex is such a basic instinct that if starved – the weaker will do some pretty horrible things.

    You have turned this into a ridiculous argument.

  66. Dragoste7 says:

    Indirectly, you have just proven that celibacy is not what makes men have sex with men or younger boys or even commit adultery with women.

    The first life you answered is similar to the priest's where the person's mind have control over his body to achieve a greater goal that he himself chose.

    The second life is enforced on the person, yet he remained celibate. " I don't think I fancy men at all. " backup the argument that such a person prefers to remain celibate over sleeping with men.

    If our bodies were supposed to rule over our minds, God would have created us just like the rest of the animals.

  67. aminriadh says:

    Personally – remain celibate – or try my best.

    2. Remain celibate – definitely – I don't think I fancy men at all.

    – – –

    However – in prison even Hetro men do have sex with other men

    – – –

    Your questions are fairly ridiculous . . . what is the point of them?

  68. Dragoste7 says:

    “outer locus of control” argument?

    Are you willing to challenge your mind? I have 2 lives for you to impersonate. Answer honestly to each:

    1- You are a young Muslim studying abroad. Your parents back home sold everything so you can become a doctor. The study requires 8-9 years, you are barely succeeding and any distraction or burden may lead to your failure. You can't afford to get married. You can't afford to visit home. You are surrounded only by infidel women who are willing to have sex without commitment.
    Will you have sex or will you remain celibate?

    2-You are imprisoned for life. The prison is super deluxe located in Europe. You don't have access to women but you have access to gym, library, TV, music. you can even study to get a degree while you are in prison. This degree qualifies you to teach a class of young boys (convicts). Will you have sex with young boys and men or will you remain celibate?

  69. Julia says:

    TO ALL MUSLIMS.
    OH, "CHOSEN ONES"…OH "BEST OF CREATION".
    WHY IS THE PAGAN IDOL IN YOUR KAABA ?? You bow down every day 5 times to this IDOL WHEN YOU ARE PRAYING .AND YOU KISS IT !!!
    THAT IS SHIRK …THE BIGGEST SIN POSSIBLE ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN !
    IT WAS A PAGAN IDOL BEFORE MOHAMMED LIVED. AND IT STILL IS THERE….THE SAME STONE IDOL.
    YOUR FAKE PROPHET BOWED DOWN,PRAYED AMD KISSED IT LIKE THE OTHER PAGANS . HE WAS A PAGAN YOU TILL HE WAS 40 YEARS OLD….YOU KNOW THAT. MOHAMMED DESTROYED ALL THE IDOLS EXCEPT THIS BLACK STONE IDOL !!!
    SO..AGAIN ..WHY ???

  70. aminriadh says:

    It is amazing – how quickly this troll – shied away from answering about her/his nasty and foul comments. Might I be bold to provide a good tagline for this site.

    Alisina.org – credence for trolls

  71. Julia says:

    @ AMINRIADH
    I AM STILL WAITNG FOR ONE,CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER TO MY "ALIF,LAM,MEEM"-QUESTION. !

  72. Julia says:

    HMMM…An answer of the"BEST OF CREATION "…YEAH…RIGHT. 😉

  73. Julia says:

    @ ALI.
    ENOUGH OF ALL THIS QUASI-INTELLIGENT NUMBER NONSENSE!!!
    WHAT WE ALL CAN READ IN YOUR QURAN ARE SURAHS with some STRANGE LETTERS LIKE SURAH 2:1 which says: ALIF,LAM,MEEM .
    GIVE US ONE SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER . BECAUSE YOUR ALLAH SAYS THAT HIS QURAN IS
    WITHOUT DOUBT ,EASY TO UNDERSTAND and EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !
    Take your time, HUH,HUH
    Allah says that his Quran is without DOUBT,

  74. Julia says:

    @ Ali(en)
    I read your stupid (sorry) post right now !
    "Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?"
    THIS MEANS : THEY ARE SMARTER LIARS !!! 😉
    AND REMEMBER: A REAL ALMIGHTY AND ALLKNOWING GOD HAS NO NEED TO FOOL HIS CREATIONS , HE IS ALWAYS SMARTER BUT CERTAINLY NO LIAR . THE DEVIL IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES !! Assuming, for the sake of argument, that all these ENTITIES exist, OF COURSE !!!!! 😉

  75. aminriadh says:

    The society Islam seeks to build is around nuclear family – sex outside it leads to break down of Nuclear family.

    Also Islam recommends marriage – straight off from puberty. Unless there is valid reason not to.

    – – –

    "As I recall, some Muslim sects also require for a man to be married in order to have sex."

    [Virtually] all sects – and men and women.

    – – –

    "priests are not allowed to sleep around because they are required to release themselves from being "slaves of the flesh". "

    We are NOT talking about sleeping around – but marriage.

    Also – things like smoking and drinking are not – basic natural and instinctive. Unlike sex.

  76. Julia says:

    "Jesus Christ was NOT celibate."and then you argue "that he PROBABLY did have a wife".
    Very poor logic…even VERY BAD LOGIC !
    I am sure you know that …HEY AMINRIADH ??? 😉
    Still pondering about the ALIF,LAM,MEEM-QUESTION ???
    I hope you will answer it soon !! 😉

  77. aminriadh says:

    Caused by celibacy.

  78. Dragoste7 says:

    Problems and long sufferings are not linked to celibacy.
    These are linked to the human mind.

  79. aminriadh says:

    What has the above spiel got to do with anything? Forced celibacy of priests leads to problems – end of.

    You choose to elongate – when there is no need.

  80. Dragoste7 says:

    Why Muslimahs are required to remain virgins till they get married?
    Why they are required to be celibate when they are not married?

    As I recall, some Muslim sects also require for a man to be married in order to have sex. Therefore, he has to be celibate when he's not married.

    Christians, men and women are committing adultery when they have sex outside marriage. Therefore, they are also required to remain celibate till they get married. Some don't get married, therefore remain celibate all their lives.

    Why all these requirements?
    Why don't we all have sex whenever we want to and with whoever we want to?
    Will this solve everything?

    We all have needs, our ability to control those needs is what separate us from animals.

    Just like athletes are not allowed to smoke or drink alcohol so they can do their Jobs in a better way, priests are not allowed to sleep around because they are required to release themselves from being "slaves of the flesh".
    If a priest falls in Love (there is nothing wrong with that), he can leave priesthood and get married. It's that simple.

  81. Dragoste7 says:

    To some it is not suffering, that's something a lot of people fail to see.

    I met a Franciscan priest in the US. He's 30 now. In his twenties, he was a very wealthy computer programmer. He had everything, All the women he wants and he was a player. Cars, Yachts, mansions….
    He left everything, gave his money away and took a vow of poverty and celibacy.
    He's now happier and in peace more than he ever was.

    That's a man who experienced everything, from sex to money,clubs, alcohol…..
    He had everything yet felt empty. He was in a long suffering but now he's free and Happy.

    My point is, we all have a different path to take. My path could be hell to you but a paradise to me. At the end, all that matters is how to take the responsibility of our choices, the good we do and the peace and love that we provide to ourselves and the people around us.

  82. aminriadh says:

    People want to become priests . . . but at that time they are NOT aware of the long suffering.

  83. aminriadh says:

    Hence your gymnastics with this one . . . but as often pointed out – why is there need for the priests to be celibate – in the 1st place.

    In this case – it is a credible excuse. But the end behaviour isn't.

  84. Dragoste7 says:

    People often search for anything to blame except themselves don't you think?

  85. Dragoste7 says:

    Doesn't a pilot have to fly a plane?
    If the person can't handle flying a plane then why he chose to become a pilot?

    people are not forced to become priests, it's a choice they make. And after they make it, the church put them in a lot of studying, questioning and soul searching to make sure that they thought it all the way through.

    And for the record, there are a lot of great priests.

  86. aminriadh says:

    Yes – but their reasoning are far different. Also – its the systematic abuse and the extent. Also why do many in the end blame Celibacy?

  87. aminriadh says:

    The point is Christianity (some sects) enforce Celibacy on its priests – which is unjustifiable.

  88. Dragoste7 says:

    "This celibacy leads to priests touching up boys – hence it doesn't work. "

    Gym teachers, teachers, workers, scientists, cops, criminals. Mullahs, Fathers, teenagers, muslims, christians, atheists….. All touched boys.

    Hence humanity (or at least manhood) doesn't work. I rest my case 😉

  89. Dragoste7 says:

    Dr Sina, you above all know the power of mind over body. You are a vegetarian not because you are following an instinct.

    Not all humans are the same, we all know that. Celibacy is not your thing and it's not mine either. But a lot of people choose (not forced into) this lifestyle to accomplish something beyond the physical level and they succeed just like you succeeded in becoming a vegetarian. Others just don't succeed because of a lot of different reasons.

    It's a personal choice, the hypocrites and the truthful people exist in every choice.

  90. aminriadh says:

    "Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time. I should have expected that you are no better than your sex-addict prophet. "

    Temper, Temper . . . domain of the ignorant – resorting to insults.

    – – –

    This celibacy leads to priests touching up boys – hence it doesn't work.

    Sex is a basic human desire – a powerful and an instinctive desire.

    – – –

    Jesus Christ was NOT celibate. Just because there are no accounts of his marriage – doesn't mean he didn't have a wife. He probably did.

  91. aminriadh says:

    1.
    abstention from sexual relations.
    2.
    abstention by vow from marriage: the celibacy of priests.
    3.
    the state of being unmarried.

    – – – –

    Hence you are wrong – at least look at the dictionary . . . there is difference between what is on your mind and reality.

    I think you have often have such trouble

  92. Dragoste7 says:

    "The real problem is the inhumane requirement to be celibate."

    Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time. I should have expected that you are no better than your sex-addict prophet.

    Celibacy is done by a lot of people since the dawn of humanity. It's not something impossible to do and it's not something that people are forced to do.

    not everyone can do bungee jumping. It's "inhumane" to force someone to do it but it's stupid to say it is inhumane all together just because you don't have the guts or the strength to do it.

  93. Julia says:

    HEY, "best of creation"ALI(EN) !!
    ATHE SPLIT SECOND is not so long !!
    ALIF,LAM,MEEM. SIMPLE, LOGICAL EXPLANATION….REMEMBER !!! 😉 😉
    COME ON ,OH "CHOSEN ONE ", this can't be difficult for you …..hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

  94. Julia says:

    "Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan? "
    GOOD QUESTION! THE UNBRED MORON ALI(EN) STARTS TO THINK !!!
    WHO IS ALLAH AND WHO IS SATAN ??? AND WHERE ARE THEY?
    BUT THE BURDEM OF PROOF IS ON YOU…STUPID MUSLIM !!!
    PROOF THAT THESE "THINGS " EXIST ! LOGICALLY !!!
    NO CIRCULAR REASONING AND OTHER FALLACIES ….PLEASE !!!! HAHAHAHA !!!! …man , you muslims are sóóóóó damned silly …one simply has to laugh !!!!

  95. Julia says:

    ALI(EN) the "CHOSEN ONE" the sproud SLAVE of Allah boasted some time ago: _" I told you in one split second I will give you the answer on Alif Lam Mim ……"
    OH,ALI, "BEST OF CREATION " the split second is over….don't you think so?_But you have still not given ONE, decisive, LOGICAL ANSWER !!!
    COME ON , "OH GREAT SCHOLAR"of Islam !!!

  96. Julia says:

    THEN WHY KEEPS ALLAH REPEATING IN HIS EVIL BOOK, YOUR QURAN, OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE WILL SEND ALL DISBELIEVERS TO HIS HELL ??THIS IS NO MAKING UP !!!
    WAS ONE TIME NOT ENOUGH ! ???
    HE IS CLEARLY MAKING YOU SUPERSTITIOUS FOOLS AFRAID !!
    BHAGAWANDAS IS OF COURSE RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS:
    "Irrational fear is the weapon of Allah ( =SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD)"!!! AND YOU KNOW IT AMINRIADH !!

  97. Julia says:

    STILL NO ANSWER !!!
    OF THIS MUSLIM SLAVE !!!

  98. Julia says:

    Alif, Lam, Meem.
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt,….
    ALIF,LAM MEEM ???? NO DOUBT ???
    THIS SAYS IT ALL QUR-RAT ! THINK MAN …THINK ABOUT THIS LITTLE SENTENCE !!!

  99. Julia says:

    HI, { } = EMPTY SET , 😉
    YEAH,RIGHT THE SAME SPOT WHERE YOU AND ALL YOUR EVIL MUSLIM BROTHERS ARE FILED ! THAT CAN NOT BE A COINCIDENCE !!!! HAHAHAHA , WHAT A BACKWARD INBRED CRETIN !!!

  100. Julia says:

    TO THE MOHAMMEDAN , MUSLIM (biggest insult there is 😉 )
    IN THE CASE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT " MUHABILA " IS, HERE IS A LINK: http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i
    HERE IS AN OTHER SITE , A VERY ISLAMIC ONE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS NO FANTASY" http://www.amaana.org/mubahila/panjtanpaak.htm
    OH…YES…ALIF,LAM MEEM !!! TO YOU !!! HAHAHA,HOHOHO,HIHIHI !!
    YOU'R A JOKER MAN..LIKE YOU PROPHET ZAKIR NAIK (ALSO CALLED: Achmed The Dead Terrorist ). HAHAHAHAHA !!! (sorry )

  101. Julia says:

    O HAVE PROVED THAT YOU DO NOT, CAN NOT,MAY NOT AND AND DARE NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTION , BECAUSE YOUR EVIL BOOK FORBIDS YOU TO THINK AND ASK QUESTIONS….STUPID MUSLIM ( biggest insult possible !) .
    AND NOW I GIVE YOU MY HUMILIATING LAUGH AGAIN : BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
    YOU HATE THAT ,DON'T YOU ?? HAHAHAHA …BACKWARD MOHAMMEDAN !!!
    BY THE WAY : WHO IS ALLAH ??? hohohoho !!!

  102. Julia says:

    I'LL CALL YOU MUSLIM ,BECAUSE IT IS THE BIGGEST INSULT ANYONE CAN COME WITH !
    BUT I WILL CALL YOU { } TOO , THAT IS THE EMPTY SET ON MATH , BECAUSE THERE IS "NOTHING" BEFORE THE (.) IN YOUR ID, SO YOU ARE EMPTY !! EVEN LESS THEN A POINT !!!! YOU ADMIT IT YOURSELF HERE !!! BWAHAHAAAHAHAHA !
    ALIF,LAM,MEEM, QAF, SAD, NUN…ETC. !!!! hohohoho
    MUHABILA !!!! hihihihi

  103. ᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Did you noticed (.) point in your ID? Point is by default with every ID lol. In fact you are not intelligent enough to know my ID.

    Forget ID Call me a MUSLIM !

  104. Julia says:

    TO THE MUSLIM ( .) ( point !) .
    YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE RIGHT ID FOR YOURSELF, NAMELY A (.) POINT !! THAT MEANS : YOU ARE ALLMOST NOTHING !!! A GOOD AND FUNNY NAME ! AND BECAUSE YOU ARE FUNNY I START LAUGHING AGAIN !!! YOU ARE THE BEST POINT THAT ALLAH HAS CREATED !!!
    HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
    I LIKE IT VERY MUCH TO DEE THESE BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS GETTING ANGRY ! BECAUSE IT PERHAPS MAKE THEM THINK !!!
    YES, IT WOULD EVEN BE STILL MUCH BETTER IF THESE BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS STARTED THINKING ABOUT THEIR EVIL CULT !!

  105. ᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    lol Closer to Schizo ! OK What you have proved with proof ?

    I advice you should start crying coz laughing can't manage your stress effectively and relieve you from tremendous depression!

    Call me a MUSLIM hundreds of time may Allah bless you for this!

  106. Julia says:

    HEY,POINTHEADED MUSLIM ( biggest insult i can come with 😉 ) !!
    YOU GIVE NO ANSWERS !!! YOU NEVER DO !!! BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPID …AND BECAUSE YOU DARE AND MAY NOT !!
    PROOF: SURAH 5:101 says :
    "O you who believe, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing."
    DO YOU SEE IT,BACKWARD MOHAMMEDAN?? WE COME WITH PROOFS, ….YOU COME WITH….NOTHING !!!!
    YOU MUSLIMS ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD ! SO WHAT YOU GET IS THIS:
    BWWAAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA (I know this is painful for you narcistic slaves if a fake god ) !!

  107. ᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Symptoms are confusing is this Schizo or Bipolar? Stress management part is OK but instead of laughing crying will ease stress more effectively !

  108. Julia says:

    HI, ALIEN…SORRY ALI THE MUSLIM (biggest insult i can come with 😉 )!!
    YOU SAID TO ME :
    "Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?"
    WELL, STUPID MOHAMMEDAN SLAVE, YOU BELIEVE THAT ALLAH AND SATAN EXIST EXIST ! SO YOUR QUESTION TO ME IS SURELY A BLINDER ! BECAUSE ARE THE BELIEVER…. YOU KNOW THE ANSWER ( YOU THINK). SO TELL ME (US) THE ANSWER !!!
    YOU CAN,OF COURSE, NOT COME WITH: "IT IS IN THE QURAN", BECAUSE THIS WAS WRITTEN (ACCORDING TO YOU ) BY ALLAH AND MOHAMMED !! AND THEN YOU ARE ILLOGICAL ( A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW 😉 ). SO YOU MUST COME WOTH SOMETHING ELSE !!
    DO THE BEST YOU CAN !!!!! BWAHAHAHOHOHOHOHOOOO …..MAN YOUR FUNNY !!!!

  109. Julia says:

    @ MOHAMMEDAN ALI(EN).
    THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU ARE VERY SIMPLE , SO EVEN YOU (AND AMIN-RAT TOO) CAN UNDERSTAND THEM , HAHAHAHAHA !!!
    1) WHO WROTE THE AYA-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
    2) WHO WROTE THE SURAH-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
    IT WAS NOT MOHAMMED (=ALLAH) ,THAT'S FOR SURE !! 😉
    SO WHO CORRUPTED YOUR EVIL BOOK ???
    STILL THINKING ABOUT IT, ALI??? RAT ???
    ALL READERS ARE WAITNG FOR YOUR SCHOLARLY ANSWER !!!!!! BWAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHA !!!! DON'T BE OFFENDED MAN…. TRY TO THINK …FOR ONCE !!!
    THERE MUST BE SOME BACKWARD ANSWER ….SOME BACKWARD MUSLIM (biggest insult there is 😉 ) MUST HAVE CONCOCTED SOME SILLY EXCUSE ( LIE !! ). SEE YA 😉

  110. Julia says:

    I HAVE AN OTHER QUESTION FOR THE MUSLIMS !!!
    ESPECIALLY FOR THE "SCHOLARS" ( ALIEN AND RAT ).
    THE SURAHS IN THE QURAN ARE NOT WRITTEN CHRONOLOGICALLY ! I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS .
    QUESTION:
    1) DID MOHAMMED (ALLAH) NAME THESE NUMBERS ? REMEMBER: for example surah 9 was one the last surahs, so its number should have been 114 or 113 …!
    2) IF NOT….WHO WROTE THESE NUMBERS IN THE QURAN.? I.E. WHO HAS BEEN CORRUPTING THE QURAN IN THIS WAY ???
    BONUS QUESTION :
    WHEN DID MOHAMMED (ALLAH?) GIVE THE SURAH-NAMES AS MENTIONNED IN YOUR "UNCHANGEABLE "QURAN ?
    GIVE PROOFS FROM THE AHADITH AND THE SIRAT …IF YOU CAN !!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
    AGAIN A BIG JOKE FOR YOU, ALI(EN) !!

  111. Julia says:

    To ALI, THE ALIEN.
    IT IS EASY TO GIVE YOU THE BIGGEST JOKE….EVER :
    JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
    DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU BELIEVE IN? IT IS YOU WHO LIVES IN A NON-EXISTING WORLD OF INVISIBLE AND INPROVABLE BEINGS LIKE ALLAH, SATAN,ANGELS, JINNS, BURAQ (the flying donkey) ,talking mountains, talking trees, talking ants, talking rocks, punishment of the grave, MUHABILA etc.etc. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
    YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ABSTRACT AND LOGICAL THINKING IS, ALI ! THAT'S ALL !!!!
    I AM SORRY TO SAY, BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED MOHAMMEDAN (insult !) . SO GET OVER IT ,PEACEFULL MUSLIM ( biggest insult). 🙂 😉

  112. Julia says:

    To ALIEN THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIM !
    Ali,Ali,Ali….. YOU CAN NOT ANSWER ,HEY MUSLIM (biggest insult possible !) ??
    BUT THAT'S OKAY, ….I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER , HAHAHAHA !
    NOW IT'S MY TURN AGAIN :
    ALI,DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND SATAN ?? IF YOU ARE A REAL MUSLIM YOUR ANSWER SHOULD BE : YES ! SO THE BURDEN OF PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH AND HIS OFFSPRING SATAN IS ON YOU!! IT IS YOU (the stupid one you see in the mirror) WHO MUST TELL WHO ALLAH AND SATAN ARE ! MAN…YOU ARE REALLY RETARDED !!
    I HOPE YOU ARE NOT OFFENDED NOW …..BWAHHAHAHAHOHOHOHAHAhAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  113. Ali says:

    Yes, all 5 of them!

  114. Ali says:

    Hey dikslurper, you back for more.

    OK Julian, where were we. Oh yes…………….you using Satan as your batting partner even though you don't believe in his existence. Solipsism syndrome in the flesh, you are Julian.

    Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?

    Make my day and give me the biggest joke of the year with your reply.

  115. Julia says:

    HEY….ALIEN!!! STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE PROVEN EVILNESS OF YOUR GOD ALLAH ??
    REMEMBER ?? VERY QUICKLY RECAP :
    ALLAH IS THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING (according to your Quran) , THEREFORE IS HE ALSO THE CREATOR AND THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL ( Satan inclusive,according to your Quran))) !
    WITHOUT ALLAH THERE WOULD BE NO EVIL !! SO WE CAN EVEN SAY THAT ALLAH IS MORE EVIL THAN SATAN HIMSELF !
    TRUE ? OR NOT TRUE ?
    A LOGICAL ANSWER PLEASE ….NO AD HOMINEMS,NO RED HERRINGS,NO STRAWMEN AND OTHER FALLACIES….. IF YOU CAN ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!

  116. Ali says:

    Salaam Julian my Muslim brother. Salaam, my dear, dear, dear dear, dear.

    I always knew you would one day give up the Jogi dik worshipping ways. However, we still have to deal with your tranny ways and delusional mental illness.

    But then and again,………………………….nah, you're better off being the Hindu t-o-s-s-e-r that you are. Easier for me to keep bashing you.

    Ain't it time for you to slurp some lingham down at the Mandir?

    Go on, gobble along now.

    😀

  117. Ali says:

    Hey dikslurper, you back for more.

    OK Julian, where were we. Oh yes…………….you using Satan as your batting partner even though you don't believe in his existence. Solipsism syndrome in the flesh, you are Julian.

    Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?

    Make my day and give me the biggest joke of the year with your reply.:D

  118. Julia says:

    Sorry muslim brother Ali.
    I am a …….TAQIYYA MUSLIM !!!!
    HAHAHHAHAhahagahahaHAHAHA !!!

  119. Julia says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
    THE EVIL ,BACKWARD, PARANOÏD , MOHAMMADAN ALI(EN) IS ANGRY !!!
    MUSLIMS ARE ALWAYS ANGRY !!! I LIKE THAT !!! 😉
    OH…I AM AN AGNOST !!! HAHAHAHA !!! 😉

  120. Julia says:

    ALI(EN), WE ARE STILL HERE ! ( ALZHEIMER ALLREADY ??)
    I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE ANGRY, BECAUSE YOU ARE STUCK AND CAN NOT ANSWER !!! I LIKE THAT !!! BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
    IT IS REALLY SIMPLE:
    1) ALLAH CREATED EVERYTHING (according to YOU !)
    2) ALLAH CREATED SATAN TOO ( according to YOU !!)
    3) ALAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS ( according to YOU !!!)
    4) SATAN SENDS ASTRAY TOO (that is his job), IF ALLAH ALLOWS ( according to YOU !!!!).
    5) ALAH AND SATAN BOTH SEND PEOPLE ASTRAY ( according to YOU !!!!!).I am an example 😉 (according to YOU !!!!!!)
    6) CONCLUSION: ISLAM IS SATANIC !!!!!!!
    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS ARGUMENT ??? I ASK YOU !!!

  121. aminriadh says:

    MUSLIMS ( AMINRIADH, ALI etc.) asked to prove that Islam is SATANIC !!

    No one asked "Julia" anything . . . the person is troll – whom Sina initially banned. When his own attitude and actions of swearing at Muslim commenters came under question – he allowed the troll back.

  122. Ali says:

    Hey Julian aka Hindustani Hindu Julianchandarnatheeshmanpoojagupta.

    Struggling are we?

    Tine to come out to play. I am bored, so I need dimwit retard to pick on. Where are you, you Mormon pretending Hindu, living in Burampur Village?

    Have you finished your devil worshipping ritual yet, even though you claim to be Atheist, then Hindu, then Mormon, then Jew, then Muslim, then Buddhist, then Atheist, then fcuk knows what else?

  123. Ali says:

    Islam will destroy itself, Julian?

    1400 years have passed and nothing has happened, but you and Ali Sina believe Islam will now destroy itself. Because your guys plan of destroying just flopped.

    Yeh right.

  124. ABC says:

    my dear we have not been finished despite islam's best efforts for past 1000 years and ur talking u have finished me?
    true i have nothing more to harper about, i have learnt about islam and im done.
    i have all the info i will ever need.
    bye n have a good life.

  125. Julia says:

    AHA….ARE YOU HIDING HERE YOU RAT !!
    WHAT ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATIC ACCORDING TI YOUR OWN QURAN !??
    PLEASE AN ANSWER THAT WORTHY FOR A QUASI-INTELLECTUAL MUSLI CLERIC !
    NOT A ONE SENTENCE-DRIVEL ANSWER !!! OR ARE YOU JUST A TROLL TOO
    😉 ?

  126. Julia says:

    WHERE IS THE MUSLIM CLERIC AMIN-RAT ??
    BLOWN UP HIMSELF ? LIKE A REAL GOOD MUSLIM SHOULD ?
    AND NOT ONLY PREACHING IT TO OTHERS , …..HEY RAT ? 😉

  127. Julia says:

    HEY, WHAT IS THAT DRIVEL OF YOURS ABOUT INDIA ?
    I'M NOT ON INDIA ! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT !!
    DO YOU SEE HINDUS EVERYWHERE . THAT IS A SIGN OF PARANOIA !
    A HORRIBLE ILLNESS !!

  128. Julia says:

    OH…MY…(AGAIN).
    WE ARE ALL FINISHED …ALI THE MUSLIM ( biggest insult) SAYS SO !
    I THINK YOU ARE INFECTED BY A VERY DANGEROUS BACIL(LUS) !
    TO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE MOVIE POSSIBLE ABOUT YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED !! THE MAN WAS SUCH A WICKED MAFIOSO , THAT THERE CAN BE MADE HUNDREDS OF MOVIES ABOUT THIS BASTARD !! COMICAL FILMS, THRILLERS, HORROR !! , WAR !!…YOU NAME IT !! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ( Ali(en) : Please don't laugh ,Julia !)

  129. Julia says:

    @ ALI, (STILL A MUSLIM ?)
    IN YOUR CONCLUSION YOU MENTIONNED "GOD" ; THIS IS OF COURSE YOUR IDOL "ALLAH"
    AS MENTIONNED IN YOUR EVIL QURAN !
    IF THERE IS A REAL GOD ,THEN IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ALLAH NOR OF COURSE SATAN !!
    A REAL GOT SHOULD BE GOOD AND LOVING !!!

  130. Julia says:

    HERE IS WHAT ALI ,HE MUSLIM , HIMSELF CONCLUDED FROM MY PROOF, THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC.
    THIS TIME HE WAS THINKTNG LOGICALLY AND CAME TO THE RIGHT CONCLUSION. !!
    QUOTE( ALI ) : " So, let's get this straight, you believe that God is asking us to seek protection from Himself because God really is Satan. So in effect Satan is asking us to seek protection from Satan because there is no God, so there is only Satan. "
    YEP,ALI , THAT IS THE CONCLUSION IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN,MOHAMMED,ALLAH AND SATAN , WHICH YOU DO !!!
    THAT'S HOW EVIL AND CRAZY YOUR CULT IS !!
    DON'T BLAME ME I AM ONLY THE MESSENGER (!), THIS CONCLUSION IS YOURS (AT LAST !).
    THINK ABOUT IT AND LEAVE THIS CRAZY CULT AS QUICK AS YOU CAN !!
    BECOME AN HONEST, NORMAL HUMAN BEING !!! 😉

  131. Julia says:

    THANKS STUPID MUSLIM ( BIG,BIG INSULT!) !!
    YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT I LIKE YOU TO DO !!!
    I'M HAVING GREAT FUN.
    YOU SAID:
    " So, let's get this straight, you believe that God is asking us to seek protection from Himself because God really is Satan. So in effect Satan is asking us to seek protection from Satan because there is no God, so there is only Satan. "
    AT LAST YOU START TO SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE IN YOUR QURAN!!!
    ACCORDING TO YOUR EVIL BOOK, IS ALLAH THE SAME AS SATAN.
    SO FOR YOU ( the man in the mirror,remember) THERE IS ONLY …SATAN. !! AND THAT IS THE ENTITY YOU BOW TO, 5 TIMES A DAY( year in year out) , BOUNCING YOUR STUPID HEAD AGAINST THE FLOUR !! HAHAHAHAHAH !!!
    IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT IS YOUR OWN CONCLUSION…..THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU BOW DOWN AGAIN TO YOUR BLACK-STONE-VAGINA !!
    YOUY ARE ALMOST THERE….KEEP THINKING !

  132. aminriadh says:

    Go an have lie down dear. . . maybe a hot drink to relax.

  133. Ali says:

    You're finished ABC.

    You and your Guru Ali Sina have nothing left to harper on about.

    And you guys actually dreamt of the demise of Islam with Ali Sina's book and then the movie.

  134. Ali says:

    Stuck again are we Julian?

    Of course Allah sends whom He wills astray and whom He wills He guides. Because He is Omnipresent and can do anything and everything. This is one fundamental understanding you seem to have forgotten and cannot grasp in your thick head. God can do anything He wills, whenever He wills. When He wills a thing, He only to say to it: Be! and it is!

    You and me are living proof of Surah 14:4. You are astray, while I am guided!

    I told you numerous times you was a living legend of stupidity in motion and you prove it time and time again. Forget scholars, I am your worst nightmare and will take you to school and back and then to school and back again and again and again, until I get bored of you.

    Now where were we retard………………………………….

  135. Julia says:

    IRANIANS ARE LEAVING ISLAM IN MASS NUMBERS!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_beTQCH0qE&fe
    THE SNOWBALL HAS STARTED TO ROLL !!!!

  136. Julia says:

    HERE IS ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOgaOvWx3k&fe
    WATCH IT AND LEARN !!

  137. Julia says:

    MUSLIMS ….THIS IS A VIDEO FOR YOU! WATCH IT : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StM8hGaCozk&fe

  138. ABC says:

    raj,
    i am sorry but passing derogatory remarks to women folk is in very bad taste.
    please understand women are innocent victims of the wars of men. try to fight your battle without involvign them.
    it is not in our culture to berate women ………otherwise whats the difference between us and them?
    being a woman it is my duty to stand up for the cause fo women. it is not right to insult them.
    hope i have no offended and you and i udnerstand your reasons for doign what u have done but if possible try n refrian from involving women.
    good day and wishes
    fellow indian

  139. ABC says:

    i really wish i am able to do something more to your cause . i am promoting it and raising awareness. there is a new sect of young men in india who are nationalists and are trying to make a change.
    i am sure one day we will see a better tomorrow.
    good day and regards

  140. ABC says:

    superbly amazing demostration of islam and muslims.
    thanks …… did you know you are doing great service to ali sina , providing practical elaborations to his theories.
    their perception fo women and innocents.
    you may be angry at raj but you are dragging his innocent relatives into your blood bath. is this what your religion teaches you.
    if anyone had any doubts about what ali sina is saying, you have convinced them.
    so much of hate inside you, is it possibel for you to even breath and smile and lead a normal life?

  141. Abu Bakar says:

    i know alittle about religions:

    1. Christianity is not a religion, its a way. Jesus himself taught that only two factions, its children of light against children of darkness. Similiar like Jedi and Sith.
    2. Hinduism teach 3 God: it is Creator, Destroyer, and Builder. But the real power is Krisna taht the real is God Univerese.
    3. Tao, teach no God but only Universe way like Rhonda Bryne the secrets.
    4.Islam teach similiar like Jews but in radical and wordly lust point of view.
    5. Jews teach similiar like Christiwns but they just dont get Jesus and Muhammed.
    6. Budha teqch everything is only an fantasia world of mind. It believes no God

  142. Julia says:

    DEAR ALI !
    WHERE ARE YOU, BLACK-STONE VAGINA-KISSER ?
    WHERE IS MY MUZZIE MOUSE ALIEN? I WANT TO PLAY WITH YOU !!! KIDDY,KIDDY,KIDDY !!!
    WHAHAHAWHAHA !!!

  143. ABC says:

    dr sina sorry fro the late reply. i am experienceing some problems with your site off late.
    you see hindus are divided on the basis of caste. and hindus are also way to complacent to react untill it is a calamity !
    however now movements are in place and hopefully the outcome would be a better governed state. but i am only partially optimistic.
    with so many religions and ethnicites it is impossible to unite india together. it will always be a bed of problems.

  144. ABC says:

    i think you have a very partial idea of who is an enemy of civilisation.
    and i think you do have a point , i dont hold any office. i am just a commoner.
    i am offering an apology on behalf of indians or is that too hard for you to understand.
    your dressing down as i have said before ……… showcases your religion mroe than ali sina's words.
    ali sina says muslims hate other faiths and you showcase that .

  145. ABC says:

    exactly i dotn care about your denial either. so dont bother to give me ur bull.

  146. Julia says:

    HEY MEATHEADED MUSLIM ( biggest insult posssible)..ALI(EN)
    Are you on the streets in your hell-hole country trying to kill some westeners? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
    YOUR EVIL DEAD PROPHET WAS OFFENDED 😉
    IN A PEACEFUL WAY OF COURSE !! THE MUSLIM WAY ! 😉
    LOOK OUT MAN, YOUR BROTHERS KILL YOU BY "MISTAKE" ( HAHAHAHAHA !!! OH…that humiliating laugh again ).!! BYE !!! 😉

  147. Julia says:

    I WILL TELL YOU A SCRET,ALI (EN).
    I AM A MORMON, AND I DO BELIEVE IN SATAN. !!! IT MAKES FOR LOGICAL THINKING
    PEOPLE NO DIFFERENCE OF COURSE. A PROOF IS A PROOF ! BUT IT WILL STOP YOUR WHYNING ! AND IT FORCES YOU TO THINK, BRAINWASHED AS YOU ARE, YOU CAN NOT HIDE AWAY NOW !!!

  148. Julia says:

    "Trolling is natural outcome of long lasting hatred phenomenon mastered by group of community people mostly lacking intellectual capabilities."
    THIS IS THE BEST DESCRIPTION OF MUSLIMS I HAVE EVER SEEN !!!
    KUDOS TO YOU !!! CHEERS !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !! WHAT A MUSLIM-MORON 😉

  149. Julia says:

    OH…MY…OUR DESTINY !!!!
    HAHAHAHAHAHA . WHAT A BACKWARD MORON YOU ARE ! YOU STILL LIVE IN THE 7th CENTURY YOU SILLY, BRAINWASHED BASTARD !!!!

  150. Julia says:

    OH, YES ….ALWAYS WRONG TRANSLATIONS !!!
    HOW COME ? WHY DO YOU STUPID MUSLIMS NOT TRANSLATE YOUR EVIL QURAN IN THE RIGHT WAY FOR ONCE ?? OR ARE YOU AFRAIF OF THE TELLING THE TRUTH ??

  151. Julia says:

    THERE WILL BE MORE MOVIES ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET !!
    TELLING THE TRUTH !!! THE FILMMAKERS NEED ONLY USE YOUR VILE SCRIPTURE AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE WHAT KIND OF MAFIOSO MOHAMMED WAS. ISLAM WILL DESTROY ITSELF !!! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
    ITS TIME HAS PAST !

  152. Julia says:

    TO ALI(EN) THE MOHAMMADAN ( BIGGEST INSULT POSSIBLE 😉 )
    YOU SAID: "If Islam is Satanic, even though you don't believe in the existence of Satan (well done einstein), then how could God ask us to seek protection from Himself ".
    I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT IT IS YOU WHO BELIEVES IN SATAN ! THAT IS THE POINT ,MUSLIM ( insult again).YOU (!!!) BELIEVE THE CRAP OF YOUR QURAN…I MOST
    CERTAINLY NOT !! THAT IS OBVIOUS 😉
    YOU MUST ASK YOUR FAKE GOD ALLAH ABOUT THIS CONTRADICTION, NOT ME …MUSLIM (big insult 😉 ). I'M ONLY THE MESSENGER 😉
    YOU YOURSELF PROVE NOW THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTS ITSELF !
    DO YOU SEE IT , (first muslim nobelprize-winner ? 😉 ) ???
    I'LL GIVE YOU STILL ANOTHER SURAH THAT PROVES THAT I AM RIGHT :
    SURAH 14:4 SAYS:
    "And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
    SO ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS ( Q.14:4), SO HE DOES WHAT SATAN DOES
    AND ALLAH ASKS YOU MUSLIMS INDEED (16:98) TO SEEK PROTECTION FROM SATAN (ALLAH HIMSELF) ! HAHAHAHAHAH (sorry, quiet, parrot !)

  153. denialisnoproof says:

    ISLAM IS FOR IDIOTS . MULLAHAS ARE SO BUTTHURT BECAUSE OF SAM BACILES MOVIE

  154. Julia says:

    Well, Sam Bacile , fooled you if course !
    He seems to be a Jew ( a monkey or an pig, as you believe). YOU ARE BEEING FOOLED BY A MONKEY OR A PIG …WHAT A JOKE ! THIS SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU, BACKWARD MUSLIMS (biggest insult possible 😉 ) .!!!!
    BUT THER WILL BE MANY MORE MOVIES ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET, WHETER YOU BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS LIKE OT OR NOT !! SO YOU CAN GO CRAZY AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE 😉 ,IT WILL NOT HELP YOU .I AM SURE THE MOVIE OF ALI SINA WILL DRIVE YOU MAD !! HAHHAHAHA ( Stop you smart parrot, Ali is suffering !)
    THINKING ABOUT BLOWING UP YOURSELF, HEY ALI(EN)….DO IT MAN…DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE , YOUR FAKE ALLAH HATES HYPOCRITES ! 😉 😉

  155. Julia says:

    TO ALI THE MUSLIM .
    FROM NOW ON I WILL MOSTLY CALL YOU : "MUSLIM(SLAVE)" OR "MOHAMMADAN", (TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOU 😉 . THESE ARE THE BIGGEST INSULTS I CAN THINK OF FOR A HUMAN BEING ! A MUSLIM OR MOHAMMEDAN IS A FOLLOWER OF MOHAMMED AND THEREFORE A LIAR, THIEF, RAPIST, LERCHER, WIFEBEATER, MURDERER …ENFIN …YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN !!! I HOPE YOU'R NOT OFFENDED NOW, IT OS ONLY THE TRUTH !!!!
    SO LISTEN MUSLIM ( big insult !), YOU SAID:
    "You are the one who doesn't believe in the existence of Satan, but you claim Islam is Satanic! "
    NOW ,FOR YOU,REALLY SIMPLE…I REPEAT, BECAUSE YOU STILL DON'T GET IT :
    1) YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND THEREFORE IN SATAN ! …CORRECT ? (yes says Ali 😉 )
    2) LOGICAL DEDUCTION FROM SURAH'S OF YOUR QURAN LEADS YOU TO THE CONCLUSION
    THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC. THAT IS ALL, ALI(EN) …IT IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE !!!
    YOUR somewhat more intelligent MUSLIM(insult)BROTHER AMINRIADH is silent about this PROOF, which in Islam means HE CONSENTS ( you know what I mean:" the silence of a virgin means her consent") ) 😉

  156. Julia says:

    Here is the PROOF again that the muslims like ALI and AMINRIADH are trying to avoid , with all kinds if TAQIYYA ! THEY TRY TO RUN ,WITHOUT ANSWERING !! IT WILL NOT WORK 😉 .SO AGAIN :
    Surah 22:4 says:"It has been decreed for every DEVIL that whoever turns to him – he will misguide him and will lead him to the punishment of the Blaze."
    So the devil (Satan) is (are) the one(s) who sends people astray !
    What is the NAME of the entity in the QURAN that misguides people and sends them astray ?
    Surah 4:88 says: "What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom ALLAH HAS SENT ASTRAY? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance]."
    SO THE NAME IF THE ENTITY THAT SENDS PEOPLE ASTRAY IS ALLAH !!
    CONCLUSION: ALLAH IS SATAN.
    ISLAM IS THE RELIGION WHICH ALLAH ONLY APPROVES (Surah 3:85) . SO ISLAM IS SATANIC !! Q.E.D.
    NOW ANSWER….YOU MUSLIM SLAVES…..IF YOU CAN !!! WITHOUT SILLY EXCUSES !

  157. Ali says:

    Just like how all readers have seen how your Guru Ali Sina has made his movie, hey Julian? That's exactly how you've knocked me down. ROFL.

    Because you suffer from Attention Seeking Syndrome, somebody has to do the schitty job of giving you that attention, so be it. Aminriadh doesn't want to deal with you for obvious reasons as you can take up a lot of valuable time and you do have a few marbles missing in the upstairs department, but me on the other hand. I have all the time in the world to put you in check.

    Nervous laugh again, is it?

  158. Ali says:

    What part of the English language are you struggling with Julian. Come on, you can tell me. I promise I won't ridicule you.

    😀

    You are the one who doesn't believe in the existence of Satan, but you claim Islam is Satanic!

    Are you really surprised why everyone picks on you with the logic you show?

    You are one of the subscribers who believed in a game plan of defeating Islam with Ali Sina's movie and that yesterday, has come crumbling down thanks to Sam Becile.

    What more is there left for you? NOTHING.

    When people are utterly defeated and despondent, they usually have a nervous laughter such as yours because when people like you have found themselves placed under a high degree of emotional pressure, this is their defence mechanism. You do it in literally every post of yours.

    This told us from the offset, there were a few screws missing in the upstairs department and we were dealing with a repetitive parrot syndrome retard who uses the HAHAHAHAHA as his decoy. And the best part is, you proved us RIGHT!

    Run along now Mr. Laughter. Keep laughing whilst you're running so you don't show everyone how nervous you really are.

    Julian the chameleon………………I mean comedian.

    😉

  159. julia says:

    SEE ,HE IS BACK ! THE BRAINWASHED CRETIN CAN"T LET GO .
    I TOLD YOU !!!
    NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT MY PROOF ISLAN BEING SATANIC !
    YOU ASKED FOR A PROOF YOURSELF !
    I ONLY USED YOUR OWN EVIL BOOK !!
    BUT YOU CAN NOT REFUTE IT ! THAT'S WHY YIU SEEL A STUPID WAY OUT !
    AMIN-RAT IS A LITTLE BIT SMARTER AS YOU ARE….HE SAYS NOTHING !!
    GANE IVER….INDEED.! AND HERE COMES THE PAIN AGAIN FOR YOU ….
    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!
    ALL READERS HAVE SEEN HOW I KNOCKED YOU DOWN !!

  160. julia says:

    YOU ARE RIGHT : GAME OVER !
    FOR ISLAM AND ALL THE EVIL MUSLIMS LIKE YOU !!
    THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING IT !!!
    YOU COULD NOT REFUTE MY PROOF ABOUT ISLAM BEING SATANIC ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN EVIL QURAN !
    I AM SURE YOU CAN'T LET GO… BECAUSE ISLAM HAS MADE YOUR SICK IN YOUR HEAD !
    YOU MUST REACT …EVEN THOUGH YOU REALLY CANNOT . I BET YOU ! Only silly answers !
    WE WILL SEE … AND OF COURSE: HERE IS MY ,FOR YOU, VERY PAINFUL MOCKING LAUGH , HAHAHAHAHA !!! (The arrogant muslims hate it being ridiculed, that is why they go crazy as some one mocks the dead Mlhammed)
    Thank for letting me play with you, like a cat with a mouse…but now the mouse is dead, Ithink ! 😉

  161. Ali says:

    Julian is now believing in the existence of Satan, even though he doesn't believe in the existence of Satan.

    Just like your understanding of 1 of 2!

    Home made tripe.

    No schooling can help you. You are beyond help anymore.

    No one on earth can be this dumb.

  162. julia says:

    TO ALI the retarded Mathematician.
    I DON'T NEED TIME ! HMMM …DUDE.
    IT IS YOU, YOU, YOU… SILLY MOHAMMEDANS WHO BELIEVE IN SATAN AND THE QURAN.
    HERE WE GO AGAIN, JUST AS WITH THE (for you difficult) PROBABILITY "PROBLEM".
    IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES OF LOGIC ( Do it this time better as with the probablity ;-))
    THEN IS ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN ISLAM SATANIC.
    WHAT I BELIEVE OR ACCEPT IS NOT OF YOUR BUSINESS !
    YOU…YOU MUST DEDUCE LOGICALLY AND IF YOU DO ,THEN YOU,…YOU…YOU MUST COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION AS I DID !
    I THINK YOU TOOK ENOUGH TIME NOW TO DO THAT….DUDE ( 😉 )… .SO DON'T TRY TO GET AWAY !!! YOU COWARD !
    THE SAME REASONING CAN BE USED BY SOME ONE WHO DOES BELIEVE IN SATAN, SO THAT A SILLY POINT (AGAIN!) HAHAHAHAHA ( F!CK, THAT HURTS HEY, MOHAMMEDAN ALI ) !
    OH…AND ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED….FOR SURE 😉 😉

  163. Ali says:

    Game over.

    Next!!

  164. Ali says:

    I told you Julian, you was done.

    It's all over for you mate.

    Find another hobby.

  165. Ali says:

    @Julian. Game over dude. Game over.

    You're done.

    There's nothing left on here for you.

    Finito!

  166. julia says:

    ANSWER TO MY PROOF,YOU RAT . YOU CAN'T AND THAT IS WHY TRY TO ESCAPE WITH THE NONSENSE OF THE ALIEN KID.
    THIS SILLY BOY WANTS GAME TO BE OVER, BECAUSE HE IS BEATEN UP LIKE A SLAVE !!
    YOU BOYS CANNOT KICK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FOOT TO STAND ON !HAHAHA !
    THIS LAUGHING IS PAINFUL FOR ARROGANT MOHAMMEDANS. I know…I know…;-)

  167. julia says:

    OH YES !!!
    WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR FREEDOM !!
    WE ARE NO SLAVES LIKE YOU( LOW LIFE ) AND NEVER WILL BE.
    THE GANE JUST HAS STARTED !!!
    AS LONG AS THERE ARE BRAINWASHED CRETINS WE WILL HAVE FUN !!! HAHAHAHA

  168. aminriadh says:

    "THE SENTENCE MEANS THAT"

    What you wrote was that bad . . . you had to provide an interpretation – which wasn't even alluded to by your own original words. . .

    "So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !"

    This sentence is simply idiotic . . . by clarifying the way you did . . . you actually affirms what I said.

    – – –

    Rehashing shiite . . . . is far worse than producing it in the 1st place.

  169. aminriadh says:

    I don't like your way Ali – But this made me laugh. . .

    "How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julian? "

    Even the person it's aimed at laughed.

  170. From far says:

    So Ali,
    Atheist killed the most. Let me see. For 1400 (or at least 1300 ) years Islam killed every single atheist under islam. For very long periods islam didn't kill atheist because there was nobody to kill. Every atheist kept quiet. Even now the atheist keep their believes to themselves in great majority of Islamic counties. And you want to count this as tolerance from islam. Not killing atheist because there non identifiable. And by the way this was not just islam. And when finally the atheists had the means to fight back there were called killers. Keep in mind it always has been like that atheist loose they get slaughtered completely to the last man. And you want to deny them the right to defend them self from a lunatic religion like yours.
    Please tell me what happened when Mohammad conquered Arabia to all people that are not people of the Book. It was kill or get killed.
    And it continues to this day for Islam. Other religions learned their lesson.

  171. julia says:

    THEN WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ,KID ( AND THE OTHER INBRED CRETINS ) ?
    WHY ???
    YOU KEEP COMMING BACK ….THAT MEANS YOU ARE AFRAID !!
    YOUR FAKE PROPHET BEGAN ALSO ALONE AND LATER WITH A LITTLE BUNCH OF FOLLOWERS ! MOST THINGS START SMALL !!
    WE HAVE INTERNET AND ALREADY MANY,MANY FIGHTERS !
    ISLAM WILL OF COURSE BE DESTROYED !! NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT .
    NOT ALL HUMAN BEINGS WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY ELSE BECAUSE A MEDIEVIAL IDOL TELLS THEM TO !
    MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE FREE !! LIIK AT IRAN …ISLAM IS FALLING DOWN THERE ALREADY !! COME ON ,WITH YOUR LANE AND SILLY REACTION !! HAHAHAHAHA !!!

  172. Ali says:

    Game over denialisnoproof, game over.

    You have Sam Bacile to thank for it.

    Game fcuking over.

    What do you have left? NOTHING.

  173. Ali says:

    But you call Islam Satanic even though you don't believe in devils?

    What a dimwit.

    You're such a retard, you studied all weekend for a urine test!

  174. Ali says:

    But you don't believe Satan exists, do you Julian?

    So how can it be Satanic and how could you use Satanic in your argument?

    Stuck again are we?

  175. denialisnoproof says:

    Ali the penis slice . why you muzzies are so butthurt in the name of islam .
    your information control cult will fail in the age of information.
    the truth about islam is out .
    you can't do anything

  176. Ali says:

    No it doesn't retard. How could you pretend to understand Arabic when you can barely understand English and have no idea of the Arabic language. There is not a single Hadeeth in existence saying that Mohammed wore women's clothing. This is something Sam Shamoun has concocted and is now backtracking. No one in history I know of wrote these conclusions before Shamoun wrote them.

    Stick to Hindi.(even that will be difficult for you)

    Moving onto the parents jibe you took, you don't even know who your father is Julian, let alone talking about cousins!

    And what do we call people who don't know their father….. that's right. Bastard aka Haraami!

    Oooooooh. That one hurt so much, I could feel it through the computer screen.

  177. julia says:

    AFTER 3 DAYS THERE IS STILL NO ANSWER FROM MUSLIMS TO MY PROOF (ABOVE) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
    EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SIMPLE PROOF,ONLY USING VERSES OF THE QURAN !!
    I ASSUME THAT THEY AGREE !!!! ;-0
    THANK YOU….AND NOW LEAVE YOUR EVIL CULT ….COME ON….IT IS CLEAR NOW…
    YOU ARE BEING FOOLED FOR 1400 YEARS !!!

  178. julia says:

    AFTER 3 DAYS THERE IS STILL NO ANSWER FROM MUSLIMS TO MY PROOF (ABOVE) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
    EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SIMPLE PROOF,ONLY USING VERSES OF THE QURAN !!
    I ASSUME THAT THEY AGREE !!!! ;-0 😉
    THANK YOU….AND NOW LEAVE YOUR EVIL CULT ….COME ON….IT IS CLEAR NOW…
    YOU ARE BEING FOOLED FOR 1400 YEARS !!!

  179. julia says:

    Oh…my.. He has found it: "infatuation".
    But you found the wrong word of course, being a "Mathematician"(Probability specialist 😉 ), and not a linguist.
    You meant to say ,of course, "infection" by the Islamic cancer .
    No , follower of the evil crossdresser, I am, thank God (not you wicked Idol allah !) not infected with Islam. And I never will be, because I have a big anti-dose …of common sense !!! HAHAHA ( yep, this is painful ).
    I don't believe in crazy stuff like: Jinns, Alif,Lam Meem, talking ants, stone vagina's, devils, heaven, hell, holy kaaba, halal, haraam, shariah, punishment of the grave,allah, Quran, Ahadith, Sirat, sunna, shia,angels ….Well you all this crap !!! And certainly also NOT in lingam,Shiva, etc…

  180. julia says:

    OH, SILLY KID ALI(EN) !
    TO MAKE IT SHORT : FEE THAWB IMRA'AH (Arabic) means IN A WOMAN'S GARMENT !! AGAIN, FOR BRAINDEAD MUSLIM ZOMBIES…IMRA'AH means WOMEN !!
    SEE IT….INBRED CRETIN !!
    BY THE WAY: YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER ARE FULL COUSINS …AREN'T THEY ??
    YES…BE HONEST FOR ONCE !! YOU CAN !! TRY IT !! HONEST !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

  181. julia says:

    AND YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF JALAL ABUALRUB AND THE LIKES ! 😉
    WE KNOW YOU ARE GREAT LIARS !! IT IS ALL STUPID COPY /PASTING WHAT YOU DO !
    BUT STILL MOHAMMED WAS A CROSS DRESSER !
    SAM SHAMOUN ( THO YOU HATE OF COURSE, BECAUSE HE TELLS YOU THE TRUTH ) CRUSHED YOUR NONSENSE HERE : http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/re
    FATHER ZAKARIA BOTROS THE FAMOUS (ARABIC SPEAKING SCHOLAR SAYS THE SAME ABOUT YOUR INSANE CAMEL( F*CKER ) , HAHAHAHAHAHA !! http://www.fatherzakaria.net/ ( YOU HATE HIM EVEN MORE THEN SAM SHAMOUN…DON'T YOU ? YEP…THE TRUTH CAN BE HARD TO BREAR 😉 )

  182. Ali says:

    Game over Julian. Game over.

  183. Ali says:

    Oh yes Julian. You have destroyed so much of Islam that only one little push and Islam will be gone forever.

    What a retard.

    You're so stupid, you tried to strangle yourself with a cordless phone when you heard the movie was made and Ali Sina is finished.

  184. julia says:

    STUPID,SILLY MUSLIM KID !

  185. julia says:

    STUPID SILLY MUSLIM KID !!!

  186. Ali says:

    Keep barking Julian. You guys are finished.

    It's going to be even more fun watching you try to push a camel through the eye of a needle.

  187. Ali says:

    How could you prove Islam is Satanic when you don't believe or accept Satan exists?

    Take your time dude, take your time.

  188. Ali says:

    @Julian. You guys are finished. Sam Bacile made sure of that.

    You have absolutely nothing left to bank on. You can change your goal posts, dress up your defeat, hide the fact you have nothing left in your arsenal and keep harping on about this movie of Ali Sina, when it is already out there and nothing which you guys thought was going to happen has happened.

    I actually could have saved you the trouble and embarrassment and could have told you for free, nothing will happen, which to be fair I have said all along. Your dreams of Islam being removed, weakened or wiped out are only dreams and will never happen in anyone's lifetimes, and we will be the power to be and chosen ones until the end of times.

    Get over it you accursed ignorant losers. Get over it and wake up to reality.

    What are you guys going to do now? Even the potential investors Ali Sina was poaching for the movie will pull out.

    It's over. You're done.

  189. julia says:

    YOU CAN'T EVEN READ ( LIKE YOUR CRAZY FAKE PROPHET !).
    THE SENTENCE MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO REHASH……FOR YOU….OF COURSE !
    IT IS YOU WHO STILL DON'T GET IT !! ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD ? IT MUST BE 😉
    DIDN'T YOU EVEN GET THIS ? YOU ARE CERTAINLY SOME SCHOLAR !!! HAHAHA !!
    WE WANT ANSWERS IF YOU SILLY BASTARD !!
    WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE: A TROLL IS A TROLL IS A TROLL ….ALIF, LAM , MEEM….BEEP…BURP !!! ?? YOU TALK LIKE YOUR SLAVE MASTER MOHAMMED !

  190. julia says:

    TO ALIEN.
    "We don't have to prove anything to you."
    YOU ASKED US TO PROVE THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
    I GAVE YOU A PROOF !! AND NOW I ASK YOU TO ANSWER !
    BUT YOU CAN NOT , THAT IS VER CLEAR !
    THANK YOU ! HAHAHA ( AGAIN .!! I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL TO BE RIDICULED FOR MUSLIMS, HAHAHA ). 😉

  191. julia says:

    — "How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julia? "
    HAHAHA ( AUCH !! MUSLIM DON'T LIKE TO BE RIDICULED, I KNOW…IT TS BECAUSE OF THEIR LOW SELF-ESTEEM ,OF COURSE !!).
    LISTEN ,BACKARD SLAVE.. YOU DID NOT EVEN TOUCH ME ONCE ! A LITTLE RASCAL LIKE YOU IS ONLY RIDICULOUS !
    I'M ONLY PLAYING A BIT WITH YOU MUSLIMS !! I KNOW I WILL NEVER GET ANSWERS OF YOU !
    IT IS FUNNY TO SEE HOW YOU ,ALIEN AND AMIN-RAT REALLY (?) THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUT MEDIEVAL CULT . BUT YOU NEVER DO .
    You look exactly like your fake prophet who was several times possessed… , he also thaught he did things which he never did !!
    PROOF(AGAIN) :
    Narrated Aisha:
    Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400)
    YIU ARE REALLY FUNNY, YOU MUSLIMS…BUT ALSO VERY EVIL !!!

  192. julia says:

    OH…ALI(EN) . THER IS A MUHABILA GOING ON FFI.
    SEE HERE : http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/
    (on page 1 of the comments , you can read mire about it) 😉
    Muslims are busy asking your evil fake god ALLAH to kill me before 23-9-2012.
    I even help them with cursing …really ..!!!
    But i am still kicking ass !! HURRY UP ,ALIEN ( GENIUS MATHEMATICIAN )…PERHAPS ALLAH LISTENS TO YOU !! HAHAHA.
    FOR MORE IN MUBAHILA , if you don't know what is (PROBANLY !),SEE HERE : http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i

  193. julia says:

    –"We don't have to prove anything to you."
    WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN IS: "WE (BACKWARD MUSLIMS) CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM ". THAT'S THE TRUTH !!!! ( SILLY KID !! ALI, THE GENIUS MUSLIM MATHEMATICIAN, EXPERT IN PROBABILITY ,HAHAHA !).
    –"You are the ones with the problem, so go and find your cure."
    WELL, ALIEN (the genius mathematician 😉 ) , ISLAM IS OUR PROBLEM , AND A VERY EVIL ONE TOO. AND WE KNOW THE CURE !! WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY IT, WHETER YOU BACKWARD MUSLIMS LIKE IT OR NOT !! SO GET IVER IT ( 😉 ) AS YOU ALSWAYS SAY !!!
    Hey Ali(en ) carry on kissing YONI ( the vagina) of your IDOL LAT ( godess of fertility) !

  194. julia says:

    "Would You Like to be a Muslim?"
    NO !!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
    I DON'T LIKE TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE FAKE GOD ALLAH, INVENTED BY AN EVIL SEFISH MAN , THE FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ( also clalled THE INSANE CAMEL ) .
    I RATHER AM BUSY WITH DESTROYING THIS WICKED CULT ! BYE !!! 😉

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  196. star says:

    Very true. It is really embarrassing to go to bed with someone and remarry your husband. I would never accept that wife again. It is really humiliating. I wld never want any lady in my family to go thru that. It is a kind of prostitution. Allah really promoted prostitution.

  197. Ali says:

    Clutching at straws are you Julian?

    Your world has just come crashing down, with the movie that Ali Sina can no longer make, as Sam Bacile has beaten him to it.

    You guys have nothing else left in your arsenal!

    😀

  198. Ali says:

    How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julian?

    Do you actually suffer from redundant acronym syndrome amongst your other ailments?

    Like I have already said, compared to you, we are not only scholars and intellectually superior, we are geniuses. You can keep barking until the cows (your gods) come home, we will still be the head honchos and you will be the retarded dimwit known as the ignorant. No matter what answers you are given, you still cannot understand, so we now have to go back to the 'STFU retard' responses.

    We don't have to prove anything to you. You are the ones with the problem, so go and find your cure. Whether it's a gay bar or brothel, we don't give a schit. You're the enemies of civilizations, are known as the ignorants and have the curse of God, Angels and Mankind on you collectively. You should be privileged we are even talking to filth like you.

    Run along now, it's time for you to worship the dik (shiv lingham).

  199. Ali says:

    Can't you get enough of Sam Shamoun, Julian?

    Has it not been broken down for you dimwit.

    ‘Fee’ has a host of meanings, such as ‘in; under; on; above; inside, within, etc.’ Additionally, had ‘Fee’ in the Hadeeth Shamoun corrupted meant ‘wearing’, then, the narration of the same Hadeeth by Imam Muslim (4427) would mean that both the Prophet and Aishah were wearing her Thaub. That would be one huge Thaub, because wasn't Aisha only 9 years old? So how could a man fit into this Thaub?

    Furthermore, `Aun al-Ma`bud fi Shar`h-i Sunan-i Abi Dawud, defines ‘Li`haf’ as: ‘Whatever you cover with (i.e., blanket)’, as Abu Ubaid stated, adding that ‘Li`haf’ is in reference to every ‘Thaub’ used as a ‘Li`haf’, i.e., as a blanket as Abu Ubaid stated. In, al-Misba`h: ‘Mil`hafah (as in ‘Li`haf’!) is defined as: every ‘Thaub’ used to cover with.

    ‘Li`haf’ was used by Aishah herself to mean what she covered with in bed. Al-Bukhari (478) and Muslim (795) narrated that Aishah said, “I would be laying in bed and the Prophet, peace be upon him, would come and pray facing the middle of the bed. Since I disliked standing in front of him in his prayers, I used to slip away slowly and quietly from the foot of the bed until I got out of my Li`haf (quilt).” Also, an authentic Hadeeth, from the grade Hasan, collected in Sahih Ibn Majah (526) reported that Um Salamah, the Prophet’s wife, said, “I was with Allah’s Messenger Fee (under) his Li`haf when what touches women (menses) touched me; I slipped out of the Li`haf.” It would be a huge Li`haf if both the Prophet and his wife ‘wore’ it together.

    Here is why the likes of you did not use the translation of Hilali-Khan for this Hadeeth. “Do not hurt me regarding Aishah, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aishah.” This is the real meaning.

    You can now kiss my a@@ tranny.

  200. aminriadh says:

    "So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !"

    Well – When you have such brains and intelligence about . . . . says it all.

    A troll is . . . what a troll says!

  201. julia says:

    "As for the terrible articles of this site! I mean does he really have to rehash everything – answering-islam wrote on a decade or so ago? "
    Well you muslims still don't get ! So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !! IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT YOU ARE BRAINWASHED. WE ONLY TRY TO CLEAN YOU OF YOUR MUSLIM FILTH . WE MEAN IT WELL ! 😉
    SO, we want answers from you , Amin-Rat ! You don't answer anything. You'r only boasting being a scholar, an intellectual. But we see no proof of it….NOTHING !( By the way: We don't count the Alien-kid at all,of course. SORRY KID).
    So we keep on exposing your evil cult !!! On and on !! YES , WE KNOW THAT IT IS A PAINFUL PROCES ! SORRY FOR THAT TOO !

  202. julia says:

    Amin-Rat,you are afraid . And you too Ali(en) ,silly kid !
    PUH,PUH,PUH….no excuses now…..You are afraid ! THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT !! 😉 We understand . RELAX !!!
    Why else should come back here over and over with silly drivel.
    Boasting that you are scholars , you both ! SCHOLARS ??? AMAZING !!
    Where is your answer to my proof that Islam is SATANIC !!!????
    OR ARE YOU AGAIN THINKING THAT YOU CAME WITH AN ANSWER ?

  203. julia says:

    SALAAM BROTHER ALIEN !!! YOU HAVE CONVERTED ME !!You are great scholar !!! Thank you for your wisdom and kindness. I am a slave too now!!….SO !!!
    Now, don't be a coward nomore and… BWAMMMMM….blow up yourself now !!
    DO IT FOR OUR ALLAH AND OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHAMMED. PLEASE!! AS SOON AS YOU ARE "MARTYR ",THÁT MOMENT WILL GIVE ME THE BEST FEELING !!
    TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE MUSLIM WHOREHEAVEN, THÁT WILL MAKE ME VERY HAPPY , BUT…..IT IS UP TO YOU….IS YOUR BELIEVE IN ALLAH STRONG ENOUGH? I REALLY HOPE SO !! BYE ,BYE ….;-) BYE, bye….

  204. julia says:

    DID YOU SEE THE "PEACEFUL" REACTIONS OF YOUR BACKWARD MUSLIMBROTHERS !!!??_AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU MUSLIM PROVE THAT WE ( FIGHTERS AGAINST YOUR EVIL CULT ) ARE RIGHT !_EVEN THE POLITICAL "CORRECT"AND THE LEFTIES ( BURAK HUSSEIN OBAMA) START SEEING THE TRUTH !!!_BY THE WAY : THERE ARE MANY FILMS ABOUT JESUS ! _SO MORE MOVIES TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ARE VERY WELCOME AND NEEDED !_

  205. denialisnoproof says:

    Amin riadh answer this question.

  206. julia says:

    TO ALIEN ,THE ISLAMIC MATHEMATICIAN (PROBABILITY-SPECIALIST ! 😉 ) AND QUASI-INTELLECTUAL ( I.Q. -10)
    I AM SORRY TO SAY ALI(EN) BUT THE REAL CROSSDRESSER WAS YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED (THE INSANE CAMEL).
    PROOF ( NOT LIKE YOUR SILLY DRIVEL) :
    … So Um Salamah went and talked with the prophet but he did not respond to her. When the group asked her what the prophet said she told them that he did not respond. So they asked her to go talk to him again until he responds… then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN A WOMAN’S GARMENT (fee thawb imra’ah) EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393,Volume Title, “Grace and its Virtues.”Chapter Title, “What was Granted to the Companions and the Wives.” )
    MORE AHADITH CONFIRMING THIS :
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 3941 Volume Title, “The Book of Virtues.” Chapter Title, “The Virtues of Aisha.”

  207. Ali says:

    Can you not read denialisnoproof?

    The movie has already been made by Sam Bacile with a budget of $5 million. He has done exactly what Ali Sina has been planning for years as his next money fleecing scheme.

    The movie is here and sweet fk'all has happened to Islam.

    When will you guys ever learn?

    This movie stance was you guys last ditched attempt and even then you have been pipped to the post by an American Jew Sam Bacile, who for the record has just gone into hiding.

    Ali Sina must be at the local A&E suffering a nervous breakdown. His scheme is all over.

    Maybe a sitcom about Ali Sina's life? ……………………..that should be a laugh.

  208. Ali says:

    Salaam brother Julian!

    How you getting on being a Muslim? Must be the best feeling in the world.

    😀

  209. aminriadh says:

    Just like the book! I recommend it . . . for a good laugh. In the name of good scholarship . . . . I reject the book – just on those grounds.

    As for the terrible articles of this site! I mean does he really have to rehash everything – answering-islam wrote on a decade or so ago?

  210. julia says:

    IT IS YOU WHO MUST BELIEVE IN JINNS ,NOT ME !! I ONLY LAUGH ABOUT THAT MEDIEVAL NONSENSE !
    YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND SOME SIMPLE SATYRE. I KNOW IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR MUSLIMS TO THINK ABSTRACTLY , OR (for a backward muslim like you) TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX ! YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT . AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I FIND SO FUNNY ABOUT YOU AND YOUR RETARDED INBRED BROTHERS . SO I CAN PLAY AROUND WITH YOU .
    REMEMBER YOUR SILLY DISCUSSION ABOUT PROBABILITY !
    I AM SURE YOU STILL DON'T GET IT !!! HAHAHAHAHA ( AUCH!!! )

  211. denialisnoproof says:

    Ali sina when is your movie getting released ?
    Ali the musleem should be made to see it first

  212. julia says:

    TO THE ISLAMIC "MATHEMATICIAN"
    ALI(EN) ;-).
    I KNOW THAT YOU THINK YOU ANSWERED THE ALIF,LAM,MIM -SH!T IF YOUR 7th CENTURY WIZZARD BOOK !
    JUST AS YOU THINK YOU KNOW PROBABILITY ! HAHAHA (AGAIN !! AUCH !!). THERE ARE MANY MUSLIM "ANSWERS" :
    1)ALLAH KNOWS BEST?
    2) NOBODY REALLY KNOWS?
    3) IT IS A MIRACLE OF ALLAH? HAHAHA!!
    4) IT'S CHILDISH NUMEROLOGY ?
    5) IT IS "GREAT" POESY ! 😉
    6) ALLAH'S BOOK IS WITHOUT DOUBT , CLEAR AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !
    SO ,IT IS, WHATEVER YOU SAY
    THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. !!
    THAT IS NO ANSWER ,KID , OH SORRY,… ADULT MUSLIM INTELLECTUAL !! HAHAHA (AUCH !!).
    WHAT YOU MADE CLEAR TO ME IS WHY NO REAL MUSLIM OR ARAB EVER WINS A NOBELPRIZE.
    EVEN YOUR ADULT INTELLECTUALS CAN'T THINK LOGICALLY !
    WHAT A PATHETIC MUSLIM CHILD YOU ARE , ALI(EN) E.T . !!!
    GO ASK YOUR BIG BROTHER AMIN-RAT FOR HELP !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

  213. Ali says:

    Someone has beaten Ali Sina to the movie production. It's already made.

    By the way Ali Sina, someone has already beaten you to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.

    His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.

    That being the case, and according to your logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.

    I really do feel it for you Ali Sina. Someone beat you at your own game and has just snatched that glory you so craved, right under your nose.

    What now?

    😀

  214. Ali says:

    Sorry to burst your bubble denialisnoproof, but someone has already beaten Ali Sina to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.

    His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.

    That being the case, and according to Ali Sina's logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.

    I really do feel it for your Guru Ali Sina. Someone has beaten him at his own game and has just snatched that glory he so so craved, right under his nose.

    What now?

    😀

  215. Ali says:

    By the way Ali Sina, someone has already beaten you to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.

    His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.

    That being the case, and according to your logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.

    I really do feel it for you Ali Sina. Someone beat you at your own game and has just snatched that glory you so craved, right under your nose.

    What now?

  216. Raj_Humanity says:

    Exactly.

    I am backtracking.

    With you as the bogie and I as the engine, I had moved on further. But there is a danger you may delink, and it will be I going all the way.

    So backtracking and going back to whatever excess distance I had covered without you.

    Now you become the engine and lead. I will become the bogie.

  217. Ali says:

    The word we are looking for is 'infatuation'.

    Julian the tranny is infatuated by Islam.

  218. Ali says:

    The pot calling the kettle black is it Julian?

    And you mentioning Jinns, when you don't even believe in their existence?

    What's next?

    You gonna start calling yourself a Muslim despite not believing in Islam?

    Julia the Muslim!

    Welcome to the deen BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :D:D:D:D

  219. Ali says:

    Backtracking again are we Raj?

    Never mind. You're not the first and definitely won't be the last.

    At least I'm progressing, you seem to be regressing.

    😉

  220. Raj_Humanity says:

    If bad (Ali) becomes better. Better (Raj) turns best on this site.

    The moment I see you denouncing Mohammad I will leave Ali Sina. You have to spit upon Mohammad along the lines you had agreed.

    I do not have faith in Muslims and so you have to denounce your Mohammad first. I will follow suit.

    But I can safely bet that you are not yet ready to leave Mohammad and Islam and Allah.

    You have already said that Mohammad is mad, that Islam is an evil cult. I see progress happening.

  221. Ali says:

    Time for your medication Julian.

    You're starting to dribble stupidity again.

    Bernoulli Trial and you? LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

    P@@ssing myself laughing on the floor rolling with tears rolling down my eyes.

    Bernoulli Trial and Juian? LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

    You can't even spell it let alone understand it!!!

    What a fking retarded dimwit.

  222. Ali says:

    I've already answered you Alif Lam Mim question Julian. Not our fault it's way above your head.

    Now go and make some tea, chai waala and leave the big stuff to us adult intellectuals.

  223. Ali says:

    But Iblees doesn't exist according to you Julian?

    Oh dear………………………….stuck again are we?

    Stick to making the tea, tea boy aka chai waala.

  224. Ali says:

    Of course you would say that Julian.

    You're not the brightest of spark are you?

    Stick to learning the alphabet. You've got more chance of that than understanding 1 of 2!

    I would say loser, but you got nothing, trailer trash…….I mean rickshaw trash!

    Stuttering again, are we crack-head!

  225. julia says:

    It is a strong sign of insanity (possession by an evil JINN ) to think you did things which you not really did . You did NOT prove anything.
    Your evil fake prophet Mohammed suffered if the same disease.
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400, for example:
    " Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. "
    There are more ahadith like this, I only took a short one .YOU CAN FIND THEM HERE ( and elsewhere): http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=

  226. Ali says:

    Yep Julian, I am a crack dealer. I deal my foot up people like you's cracks!

    🙂

    Trying to work it out are we, retard?

  227. Ali says:

    Even if he is an evil shia, he is still better than you Julian!

    You dress like a woman, march like a man, talk like a child, shave like a bloke and are a Tranny!!!!!! GOTCHA!!!!!

    😉

  228. Ali says:

    Dear of dear oh dear.

    My dear Julia

    My dear Julia

    My dear Julia

    You best look in the mirror. You will see the real nightmare!:D

  229. Ali says:

    That's because the superglue fell onto his cap locks and he can't afford a new keyboard.

  230. Ali says:

    You keep visiting this site, you'll turn more evil Raj!

    People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    Since you have brought it up, where is the public denunciation of Swami Sina as agreed?

  231. julia says:

    I AM REALLY SORRY, ALIEN !!
    BUT LOKI IS RIGHT !!
    YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PROBABILTY .
    I KNOW ALSO THAT THIS MAKES YOU ANGRY, BUT IT IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.
    I GUESS THIS KIND OF LOGICAL THINKING IS NOT FOR MUSLIMS. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE MUSLIMS OF COURSE !! HAHAHAHAHA ( this laughing hurts again, hey stupid?) !!
    MOW COME ON WITH YOUR CHILDISH AND PATHETIC ANSWER …YOU CAN'T LET GO, DON'T YOU !!!
    MY ADVISE: BLOW YOURSELF UP FOR ALLAH….THAT IS MORE YOU CUP OF TEA MUSLIM ( biggest insult i van think of 😉 ).
    OH..AS YOU SAY …GET OVER IT LOSER !!! 😉

  232. Ali says:

    Dear oh dear Julian. Didn't get the daily dose of medication today?

    My oh my, you are as thick as two planks of wood.

    Anyway, when are you being released?

  233. Ali says:

    What I am saying sivaram is, you guys cannot do anything to Islam. Period.

    Keep dreaming.

  234. Ali says:

    You been schagging your ammi jaan again denialisnoproof?

    Come on dude, don't be such a tyrant. At least give her one day off! With all she's done for you, the village, the punters, the swamis, the lezzies and the animals, she deserves a day off. How much kok do you think she can take day in and day out? Have you no heart kid?

  235. julia says:

    THIS WHOLE PROBABILITY
    "THING" WAS YOUR ODEA , STUPID !!!
    YOU THOUGH IT WAS A BIG DEAL !!
    BUT EVEN NOW AFTER UMPTEEN SIMPLE LESSONS IN PROBABILITY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BERNOUILLI TRIAL IS ALL ABOUT !
    YOU CAN COUNT FURTHER THEN 1,2 !!
    THAT IS YOUR MATH KNOWLEDGE!
    YOU MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF AND OF YOUR BACKWARD AND EVIL CULT ( WHICH YOU ADMIT ) ISLAM !!
    THANKS AGAIN FOR THAT …YOU DO A GOOD JOB MAKING YOUR CULT LOOK FOOLISH , WHICH IT IS ! HAHAHA !!!(this hurts ,hey?). 😉

  236. Ali says:

    And we call the likes of you Julian, crack-heads!

    Did I not say, stay off the fking crack?

  237. Ali says:

    Show us this proof of demons being capable of the numbers thing please sivaram.

    Show us where it has been done. Not some myth, but real and available to check and cross reference.

  238. Ali says:

    Exactly where has this rebirth been verified please Sivaram?

    Please show us the evidence so that we may carry out our own due diligence.

  239. julia says:

    YOU talk much about crack , ALIEN.
    You are a dealer, aren't you ?
    ADMIT THIS TOO !!! 😉
    Your evil fake prophet the mafioso Mohammed would have liked that for sure.

  240. julia says:

    Aha, Amin-RAT ….you look, dress and march like these "scholars" too!!! GOTCHA !!!! YOU ARE AN EVIL SHIA !!!

  241. julia says:

    AGAIN…ALI(EN)….YOU ARE !!!! HAHAHA !!!!!!!!!

  242. julia says:

    AGAIN…DON'T CALL ME DEAR YOU EVIL , DIRTY, FILTHY OLD MUSLIM !!!
    DON'T DO THAT !!
    YOU ARE WORSE THEN A HORROR-NIGHTMARE ! YOU CHILDF!CKER !!!! 😉

  243. julia says:

    TO ALI(EN).
    "OK, yes, let's agree with you, we are an evil cult. Now what? "
    I AM VERY GLAD THAT YOU ADMIT THAT YOUR CULT ISLAM IS EVIL !
    WHY DID IT TAKE YOU SOOOO LONG, WHILE IT IS OBVIOUS !!
    GO AND TELL THIS TO YOUR MUSLIMBROTHERS !!! HAHAHA 😉

  244. denialisnoproof says:

    25 shias killed in pakistan http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinionslogged
    Religion of piss is at work

  245. julia says:

    DON'T CALL ME DEAR …YOU EVIL MUSLIM. !!!
    WHEN A MUSLIM SAYS THIS TO ME I FEEL VERY INSULTED !
    "DIRTY OLD MAN….KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF !"
    YAGHHHH !!

  246. julia says:

    YOU ARE IBLEES…YOU ALIEN !!

  247. Bhagawandas says:

    If you define the Barbarism( sorry it should have been called Arabbarism, Islamism, Mohammadism) of Quran as civilization, we are all enemies of your definition of
    civilization

  248. Bhagawandas says:

    How can a vile, murderous, rapist, lusty bandit be the messenger
    of GOD ? After you free yourselves from the clutches of this monster
    only you can understand subtle truths of the God-ward path

  249. Bhagawandas says:

    Yes. That is the truth. In the end all of us will have to die. why leave a trail of
    death & destruction behind us. why not live with peace, tranquility, love, kindness
    to all beings.
    Why should Mohammed have entertained hatred, lust, deception & violence ?
    Why are Muslims defending such a Rascal ? Get-rid off this Demon from your
    minds. That is the greatest service you could ever render to The True GOD.

  250. Bhagawandas says:

    Reasoning is the most powerful tool to get at the Truth of any issue.
    Since Muslims are acutely deficient in reasoning ability, they are not
    at all powerful. Muslims today are surviving because of the Mercy shown
    by Non-Muslims. It is not your bravery or valor that is keeping you alive,
    but our Mercy. But Muslims think that kaffirs are deceived by Allah into treating Muslims with kindness when they have the upper-hand. Muslims have
    no bravery but exhibit the psychology of wolves.
    It is Quran which is dripping with hate and poison.

    Ali sina's job is the most productive, most meaningful, most merciful job.
    Detoxification of a billion odd brains is no mean job.
    when we are strong.

  251. Bhagawandas says:

    God of all mankind – doesn't produce Quran.
    If your heart is longing for devotion to GOD, learn about the True attributes of GOD
    from the vedic & puranic lore. Leave your allegiance to a Mohammed which is nothing
    but assertion of your own lower-mind. Why not , for a change, show an iota of mercy
    on humanity at large, by erasing the Demonic concepts of KAFFIR & JIHAD. This iota of mercy will earn for you an ocean of Goodwill from the GOD who is the in dweller of all
    hearts.

  252. Bhagawandas says:

    Muslims are born for the destruction of the world. They do not have a peacetime peaceful agenda.
    Like Mohammad, their minds are filled with sex , violence and unrighteousness. Pre-Islamic Arabs had some respect for other people's rights. Mohammad destroyed the Golden Rule ruling the hearts of Pre-Islamic Arabs and created Demons (who typically are self-righteous = unrighteous). The Psychology of De-monism (Narcissism=ISLAM) claiming to be Monism, has spread east and west alike from Arabia. The day will not be far-off when Islam will be thrashed all over the world. Meanwhile let us enlighten ourselves about the true (devilish) nature of Islam and be alert to the false slogans of psuedo-secularists.

  253. julia says:

    HERE COMES THE REAL MUSLIM .. !!
    Thank you DramaticEdem…for being honest….at last !

  254. julia says:

    HI ALIEN !!
    This Allah of yours is the same idol that was worshipped by the pagans together with 359 other IDOLS. The father of Mohammed (who was NOT a muslim) was called ABDALLAH ( Slave of Allah, REMEMBER 😉 )
    YOUR FAKE PROPLET ONLY KEPT THIS ONE AND ….OF COURSE THE BLACK STONE !!!
    The Kaaba is the house of Allah…the black stone dwells in the Kaaba, SO THIS BLACK STONE IS ALLAH,… what can it be else?. If is something else…then you muslims do shirk by kissing it and bowing down…SHIRK !!!! AND YOU WILL ALL GO TO YOUR MUSLIM HELL !!! WHERE YOU BELONG ANYWAY …HAHAHAHAHA !! (painful 😉 ) .
    But first therte will be "THE PUNISHMENT OF THE GRAVE" for you! BOOOOO…this gives you the creeps,…does it not ?
    Yep…this is all very rational.

  255. julia says:

    Hi…Alien !
    Silly and childish answer, muslim kid !
    WHY ARE YOU STILL AROUND? Are the oil-selling
    morons still paying you enough?
    BUT REMEMBER: Allah wants you to blow up yourself ! Yes he likes that most of all !
    So ,again, don't be a coward and don't be greedy…. go for it!!!
    You will be a muslim"martyr" forever ;
    By the way: we call your "martyrs" crazy ,brainwashed murderers !

  256. sivaram says:

    Islam has no rational basis. It is surviving because of fear ( of satanic Allah) and the magnanimity of Non-muslims who are treating Islam as just another religion. With the alert sounded by Ali sina, the world will soon recognize Islam as a cancer of Humanity. This cancer should be removed at the earliest so that Humankind may survive.

  257. denialisnoproof says:

    kaba is a house of whores very mohammads mother was enjoying orgy to earn her likelihood
    Ask your mo to take off his 53 year old coc from 9 year old girl's vagina

  258. denialisnoproof says:

    Amin riadh it must be very nice of you to be born out of mutah marriage

  259. sivaram says:

    Once there was a Robber who denied his role in a Robbery.
    When the people of the locality proved his guilt conclusively,
    he thundered – So What? What can you do to me?
    You still are not strong enough to punish me.
    That is what this Ali is saying

  260. sivaram says:

    Demons too are capable of coming up with the number-wonders you have so painstakingly unearthed in QURAN, Mr.Ali. 1. Declaring unprovoked war on innocents is a sure sign of Mohammad's satanic mind

  261. aminriadh says:

    "Your sarcasm carries a wider meaning, which backfires on Muslims and Islam. "

    One day Raj . . . you might begin to make sense . . . in the meantime good luck and keep trying.

  262. aminriadh says:

    Could you please ignore "Julia" – whose only purpose – appears to be to troll.

    You encourage this person . . . just ignore her/him. There is no need to answer such people.

    ESPECIALLY since Sina banned him. And probably has lifted the ban for this EXACT reason.

    So why rise to the bait?

    [I get the feeling its a him. ]

    – – –

  263. aminriadh says:

    You are nothing more than common cowardly troll.

    You were supposedly banned . . . all you do is abuse people with cap locks!

    – – –

    Dear . . . you don't have the capability – just trade insults with Ali.

  264. aminriadh says:

    "SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONLY MUSLIMS AND EVEN ALLAH CAN SWEAR !! MOHAMMED DID MUBAHILA ! "

    This is another common trait of "trolls" . .. diversion. Also it is logically fallacious – to conclude what isn't within an argument to deduce.

    "1) I PROVED ( YOU ASKED FOR IT) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !"

    I asked for no such thing . . . your repertoire isn't limited to swearing and verbally abusing.

    – – –

    Keep spouting nonsense dear. . . that is all that you do.

  265. sivaram says:

    rebirth is already verified in thousands of cases. This fact applies equally to all irrespective of your belief. Even a Muslim with no belief in rebirth will be ( have been ) born again

  266. denialisnoproof says:

    ali the psycho mullah

  267. denialisnoproof says:

    Is your sister halal for me?

  268. denialisnoproof says:

    😀
    Ali you little horny biatch

  269. denialisnoproof says:

    I won't tell my friends name because it is not going to add to the argument .
    "I must commend you, you don't half come out with it."
    I didn't get this

  270. julia says:

    "And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience."
    MAN, ALI(EN)….YOU HAVE REALYY LOST ALL SENSE OF
    RATIONALLITY.
    Some examples if islamic rationallity.There are many, many more, but you know that ver well. You just keep on going with your childish babbling.
    1) you muslims believe that your fake prophet made a trip , on a flying donkey with the face of a woman to the 7(!) heavens. 😉
    2) you muslims believe theat your insane camel Mohammed split the moon. 😉
    3) you stupid muslims believe in Jinns, made of fire . 😉
    4)you muslims believe that Salomon spoke with ants 😉
    5) you muslims believe in "the punishment of the frave" 😉
    6) you muslims believe that the black stone is something "special". 😉
    DO YOU WANT MORE? HAHAHA !! ( hurting hey ?)
    BLOW YOURSELF UP MAN, and go to your "rational" islamic whorehouse somewhere(?) above . YOU MADE YOURSELF THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THIS SITE ! PATHETIC FOOLISH KID 😉

  271. Raj_Humanity says:

    // Which is as secular as Pakistan. Your lies get wilder and wilder. //

    Your sarcasm carries a wider meaning, which backfires on Muslims and Islam.

  272. Raj_Humanity says:

    Ali – I see progress in you.

    The other day, you agreed Mohammad was mad.

    Today you agree Islam is an evil cult.

    Keep visiting thing this site.

    You may change for the better.

  273. Raj_Humanity says:

    @ Ali the muslim –

    // If I want to only accept a 1 of 2 position, then that is my choice and my risk. //

    Exactly.

    Now non Muslims – make their choices and take their risks in a similar way. If they choose they can worship idols. If they choose they can be atheists. If they wish, they can be polytheists.

    But the problem arises when Muslims adamantly come and place Quran in our laps. When they come threateningly with the sword. If, we non Muslims make some choices — either logical or illogical that is immaterial — then the Muslims do not allow us to live peacefully. That is the whole point of this website and countless others who have been fighting Islam.

    Leave the world alone, and no one will ask what the Muslims are doing.

    Ever since Islamic lie was founded by Mohammad and imposed upon people — by his jihad — from that day on, the world has become a living hell for the non muslims. To support Islamic lie, swords are drawn out by the muslims.

    This site lists out the attacks by jihadic islamic lies.

    historyofjihad.org

  274. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Habits die hard she/he can't sleep even without thinking Muslims!

  275. Ali says:

    But that's not your concern or problem, is it Julian?

    If I want to only accept a 1 of 2 position, then that is my choice and my risk. If I walk into a bookies and place a bet on a horse that loses, that is my choice and my loss. If I place a bet on a winner, then again that is my choice and my gain.

    It's all about choices that we make and are responsible for.

    You guys that follow Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Atheism or any ism for that matter, don't make any sense to Muslims, whilst on the same token, those that follow Islam make no sense to you guys. It's a very simple formula.

    It works both ways.

    Get over it.

    If I decide to drive my car at 200mph, than that is my choice. If I die doing it, then again, that is my choice and my decision for driving at 200mph so must accept the consequences. Everyone who makes their beds and lie in it, must accept this.

    Do I honestly care what you guys do with your lives or what you believe? Never.

    I have my own life and responsibilities.

    This here for me is what you Indians would call 'time pass'.

    A few more days and I'll be on a plane getting on with my life doing what I do best. Making money!

  276. Ali says:

    Show what Julian?

    Just like your Guru Ali Sina, hey?

    How long have you been doing this anti Islamic tripe?

    OK, yes, let's agree with you, we are an evil cult. Now what?

    Stuttering for an answer are we?

  277. Ali says:

    God God God God = Allah Allah Allah Allah.

    Get over it Ramcharanteeshwarandhanghan aka Rafiq.

    😀

  278. Ali says:

    Typical Indian v Pakistan tripe.

    Thank God you retards are far away from us. Stay in that part of the world.

    You still reminiscing about 1947 and 1948. What a dimwit!

  279. Ali says:

    Which part of Delhi you from Rafiq aka Raghudandran.

    Africa. LOL.

    Talk about desperation.

    Be proud of who you are. Don't be ashamed. I know it sucks being you, but you have plenty compatriots who are the same as you. Dik worshipping Hindus.

  280. Ali says:

    What's wrong dik worshipper denialisnoproof? Couldn't get to do your ammi jaan, thus the frustration?

    Never mind, you got your sis and abba ji as back up.

    The only thing you can burn is your gods when you are schitting the chillies out your a@@ and your back side is burning after a hot curry and your gods are coming out Uranus!

    Teri maa di you know what!

    😉

  281. Ali says:

    Obviously touched a sore nerve hey, denialisnoproof?

    You bragging about your 2mm dik again? OK get your tweezers and magnifying glass out, so you can actually see it.

    When you are so stupid and dumb and ask such retarded questions, the Truth is always going to hurt you.

    And no, a parable is not a paragraph, in case you get it twisted.

    You're so fking thick, you cook your own complimentary breakfast.

  282. Ali says:

    Julian mate, No matter what you say, you will always be a dude and you will never understand 1 of 2.

    This is your reality.

    Accept it and move on. Honestly, it's no big deal.

  283. Ali says:

    Stifle you Julian?

    Why would aminriadh do that, when you are doing a pretty good job yourself on yourself?

    I'm surprised you can even put 2 sentences together.

    Listening to you is ground hog day for everyone!

  284. Ali says:

    Time for your medication again Julian. It usually wears off after 6 hours.

    And no, we Muslims are genius's compared to you as already proven. You so dumb, you get hit by a parked car!

    How many times do you need the same answers to understand the answer?

  285. Ali says:

    So reading is not your strong point then is it Julian?

    How many times do you want the answer? English not good enough for you?

    I suggest you back track to one of the posts where you like a parrot repeated the same and got your answer.

    Surely you can at least do that.

  286. julia says:

    SO THERE IS IRRATIONALLITY BUT NO RATIONALITY ACCORDING TO YOU ( MUSLIMS ) .
    NOW THÁT IS WHAT I CALL IRRATIONAL !!! HAHAHA !!!!
    READ YOUR COMMENT AGAIN …AND BE ASHAMED !

  287. julia says:

    NICE TRY !!! ALIEN
    BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE BLACK STONE !
    THAT WAS AN IDOL BEFORE MOHAMMED LIVED. AND IT STILL IS THERE….THE SAME STONE IDOL. 😉
    YOUR FAKE PROPHET BOWED DOWN,PRAYED AMD KISSED IT LIKE THE OTHER PAGANS . HE WAS A PAGAN YOU TILL HE WAS 40 YEARS OLD….YOU KNOW THAT. MOHAMMED DESTROYED ALL THE IDOLS EXCEPT THIS BLACK STONE IDOL !!!
    THAT IS THE POINT !!

  288. julia says:

    OH, AMIN-RAT…AND MY ONLY PURPOSE IS :
    TO SHOW THAT ISLAM IS AN EVIL AND BACKWARD CULT !
    THAT IS ALSO THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE , METHINKS.
    IF YOU HATE UNCIVILISED SPEACH THEN SHOULD FIGHT YOUR OWN HATEPREACHING MUSLIM CLERICS ALL OVER THE INTERNET !! FOR EXAMPLE LOOK HERE: http://www.memritv.org/content/en/all_clips.htm/
    GROW UP KID….YOU ARE FIGHTING IN THE WAY OF ALLAH ! HAHAHA 😉

  289. Julia says:

    SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONLY MUSLIMS AND EVEN ALLAH CAN SWEAR !! MOHAMMED DID MUBAHILA !
    YOU SAY I AM A TROLL, ALLAH SAYS THAT I BELONG TO THE VILEST OF CEATURES (SURAH 8:55 ) AND MUCH MORE. ALI CALLS EVERY NON-MUSLIM THE MUST EVIL NAMES (DUNG SNIFFER …) ETC.
    LISTEN AMINRIADH : I ASKED YOU VERY SERIOUS QESTION"S:
    1) I PROVED ( YOU ASKED FOR IT) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !
    2) I ASLED YOU WHAT THE CRAZY LETTERS ALIF,LAM.NEEMN,SAAT…ETC. MEAN .
    NOW ANSWER !!! SLAVE OF ALLAH ( THIS HOW YOU MUSLIMS CALL YOURSELF ) 😉
    Sorry for using big letters, its a habit of mine !!

  290. Julia says:

    THE EVIL MUSLIM "SCHOLAR" ARMINRIADH WANTS TO STIFLE ME….OF COURSE !
    THAT IS WHAT MUSLIMS ALWAYS DO ( ALLOVER THE WORLD) …IF THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENTS ANYMORE . THEY START WHYNING !!_EVERYBODY SEES WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO!! AND IT IS PATHETIC !!!!!

  291. aminriadh says:

    You are a troll . . . and all you are interested in is swearing and abusing. . .

    You are not ONE bit interested in a civil conversation . . . hence you were allegedly banned.

    No sane or rational person swears the way you do . . . it just that you are anonymous – hence the cowardly behaviour.

    – – –

    It is already pretty apparent – you do not have anything to say . . .

  292. Julia says:

    I LIKE IT VERY MUCH TO SEE THESE BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS SUFFERING !
    HEY…ALI(EN) …YOU CAN NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, WHICH ARE VERY CLEAR, WIT-
    HOUT USING LIES AND MIRACLE MUMBO-JUMBO !!
    TRY IT !!!
    1) ISLAM IS SATANIC!! ( SEE MY PROOF ABOVE ) , I DON'T REPEAT IT 😉
    2) WHAT DO THE CRAZY LETTERS ALIF, LAM, ETC. REALY MEAN !
    I HAVE ALREADY FIRED AWAY !! ARE YOU BLIND !! READ …MAN, IQRAH …OR CAN'T YOU READ ( LIKE YOUR INSANE CAMEL) . OR ARE YOU SEARCHING THE INTERNET ? HAHHAHA !!!!!( AGAIN) . DO YOU NEED MORE TIME ? HIHIHIH !!! YOU SCHOLARS ON THE INTERNET AND WHERE EVER DON'T ALSO NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS ! GET OVER IT ,
    ADMIT IT…YOUR EVIL CULT ISLAM IS ROTTEN AND STINKS. YOU ARE A LOSER !!

  293. Ali says:

    Endowed with the faculty of reason and having sound judgement. There you go denialisnoproof. You have your answer concerning rationality.

    And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience.

    The famous Italian Orientalist, Dr. Laura Veccia Vaglieri, writes the following about the rational and universal spirit of Islam in her book An Interpretation 0f Islam:

    "The Arabian Prophet, with a voice which was inspired by a deep communion with his Marker, preached the purest monotheism to the worshippers of fetish and the followers of a corrupted Christianity and Judaism. He put himself in open conflict with those regressive tendencies of mankind which lead to the association of other beings with the Creator."

    "ln order to lead men to a belief in one God, he did not delude them with happenings which deviate from the normal course of nature — the so-called miracles; nor did he compel them to keep quiet by using celestial threats which only undermine man's ability to think. Rather, he
    simply invited them, without asking them to leave the realm of reality, to consider the universe and its laws. Being confident of the resultant belief in the one and indispensable God, he simply let men read in the book of life. Muhammad Abduh and Ameer All both state that Muhammad was content to appeal to the intimate conscience of the individual and to the intuitive judgement of man."

  294. Julia says:

    ALI(EN) SAID:
    "For Muslims, there are only 2 possibilities. There is or there isn't."
    BUT LOGIC AND MATHEMATICS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION !
    BACKWARD AND BRAINWASHED CRETIN. HAHAHA ..sorry !
    THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT WE ARE MAKING !!
    LOGICALLY THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES. YEP!
    GET OVER IT, IF YOU CAN'T GET IT !

  295. Julia says:

    NO…ALI(EN) !
    YOU DON'T KNOW WHETER THERE IS ONE GOD, NO GOD, UMPTEEN GODS !!!
    YOU AND NO ONE KNOWS! THAT IS YOUR PREJUDICE AGAIN !!! IR RATHER YOUR BRAINWASHING !!!
    OTHERWISE: PROVE IT !!!
    YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE !!
    THIS CAN NOT BE TO DEEP FOR A "SCHOLAR" AND MATHEMATICIAN LIKE YOU ! 😉
    SORRY BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH…YOU ARE SOOOO STUPIS AND BACKWARD !!!
    HAHAHAHAHAHA (PAINFUL HEY.ALIEN, FOR THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD !!!!!)

  296. Julia says:

    I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAR I SAY TO YOU . YOU ARE ASHAMED ! AND YOU SHOULD BE !!!
    YOU GAVE NO LOGICAL ANSWER …CERTAINLY NOT A SCHOLAR (?) WORTHY !.
    ESCAPING IS NOT ANSWERING !!
    AND WHAT ABOUT MY ALIF-LAM-MEEM QUESTION ?? WHERE IS THE ANSWER ?
    AND ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !! I ONLY USED YOUR BELOVED "NOBLE" QURAN !!!
    COME ON ….HMMMM SCHOLAR !!!! 😉

  297. Ali says:

    You are a gluten for punishment aren't you Julian?

    Exactly what trouncing do you want me to give you now? I told you in one split second I will give you the answer on Alif Lam Mim, which you are still trying to digest and are stuttering in your speach.

    Now what do you want to learn? Go on, fire away.

  298. aminriadh says:

    The only purpose of this individual is to abuse . . . nothing else.

    There are similar answers left all over these comments sections.

    – – –

    Sina of course – claimed he banned him/her . . . but hasn't – as this person provides one good function . . . to verbally abuse people. Something He himself resorted to . . .

    That is to – swear at anyone who is apparently a Muslim.

    – – – –

    A mistake to reply obviously . . . mostly I don't. But the above was to clarify. . .

  299. Julia says:

    HI ALI(EN)!
    DON'T FORGET ALSO TO ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT THE STRANGE LETTERS IN THE QURAN :
    ALIF,LAM, MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM,SAD; ALIF,LAM,RA ; ALIF,LAM,RA; ALIF,LAM ,RA ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM,RA ; ALIF, LAM,RA ; ALIF,LAM,RA ; KAF, HA, YA, 'AYN, SAD;
    TA,HA ; TA,SEEN,NEEM ; TA,SEEN ; TA,SEEN,MEEM ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM;
    ALIF,LAM,MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM; YA,SEEN ; SAD ; HA, MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM,AYN,SEEN,QAF; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; QAF ; NUN ;
    YOU KNOW THEM, OF COURSE…AND THERE ARE MANY, SO THEY MUST BE IMPORTANT TO ALLAH AND MOHAMMED !!
    WHAT IS THEIR MEANING ???
    PLEASE NO NONSENSICAL ANSWERS LIKE : THEY ARE A MIRACLE OF ALLAH , OR THEY ARE BEATIFUL, OR ONLY ALLAH KNOWS…OR CHEAP COPY/PASTING . THAT IS CHILDISH AND RIDICULOUS. MANY TIMES THE LETTERS ARE FOLLOWED BY ALLAH SAYING THAT HIS BOOK IS CLEAR ETC. SO,AGAIN, THEIR MEANING MUST IMPORTANT AND LOGICAL , GOD IS NOT STUPID !!!!!!
    TAKE YOUR TIME … 😉 YES…TAKE YOUR TIME…YOU WILL NEED IT !

  300. Raj_Humanity says:

    You are wrong!

    For all educated humans – all the possibilities are on the menu – out of which Muslim like you take two flavours in your plate and one only to eat. That does not mean that there are no other possibilities.

    Your bias makes the other items on the menu card useless for you – but that does not mean that those items are not at all there.

    Since you are hedging your bets, I would say the way you are doing is unscientific.

    Now suppose just suppose, Allah is there, but not the one true God, but as Satan, — and if actually this statement is true —

    in this event how does flipping the coin help?

    Have you factored in this possibility?

    If not, then the respect I had for all your arguments which tended to be logical falls to the ground.

  301. Ali says:

    I suggest you read my reply about the Kaaba and it's significance as being the House of God, Julian. I have already answered your last ditch attempt to another fool in another post. The Kaaba is the House of God and not an Idol dimwit, so facing the House of the Lord cannot be idol worship as God Himself has given these instructions, just like he did to Abraham. Or are you also saying Abraham was also an idol worshipper by doing the same? Which means Jews and Christians are also idol worshippers? Please.

    What else do you have to clutch onto…………………….nothing?

    So we will start from the beginning again where you will say the same old tripe and get the same old answers and you will keep repeating this until you die after which you will be cremated and then the real punishment and life for you unbelievers will start.

    Anything else you want to say?

  302. aminriadh says:

    There is no such thing as 'rationality' – according to Muslims. . . I have pointed out your fallacious arguments and lies – at appropriate points.

    – – –

    For example simply leaving small comments that are hate-filled, full of lies and insults . . . is irrational.

  303. aminriadh says:

    Which part of Africa? And are you – yourself African or not?

  304. aminriadh says:

    "We effed pakistan in 1971 and created a secular nation called bangladesh . "

    Which is as secular as Pakistan. Your lies get wilder and wilder.

  305. Ali says:

    That's your prerogative Raj, whether you want to hedge bets or not.

    For Muslims, there are only 2 possibilities. There is or there isn't.

    There is no such system without a God, which will pay back what you have done to others. The system of Darwinism, which is all about natural selection with no God/ Deity, is the system the likes of Ali Sina promotes. If there is no God, we have absolutely nothing to worry about when we die. Period

    So, from a Muslim point of view versus Atheism, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain with a 50/50 chance of their being a God or no God.

    This was the jist of my hedging my bets with a 50% advantage all the time, every-time. You Hindus will have a different take as you guys believe in reincarnation so the probability of sequences will creep in, but for Muslims, we only die once, after which we will know whether Darwin was right or God was right.

    So it is like just one flip of the coin. Heads or Tails and not sequences. We only get one crack at the whip to find out.

  306. Julia says:

    OH,ALI(EN)…AND PLEASE NO SILLY EXCUSES AGAIN LIKE:
    THE TRANSLATION IS NOT CORRECT…OR….YOU MUST READ IN ARABIC …HMMM….CLASICAL ARABIC…AND SO ON AND ON…. HAHAHA . YOU YOURSELF KNOW THESE STUPID EXCUSES IF COURSE VERY WELL …;-) 😉 😉
    COME ON….BE HONEST AGAIN, LIKE YOU ADMITTING YOUR PREJUDICE AGAINST US NON-MUSLIMS !!!

  307. Julia says:

    THANK YOU ALI(EN) ! 😉
    BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!!??????????
    A "SCHOLAR" LIKE YOU …;-) (or perhaps AMIN-RAT…;-) ) SHOULD KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS ONE !!! HAHAHA !
    I'M SURE YOU CAN NOT ! BECAUSE I USE YOUR OWN QURAN. !
    BUT SOME TAQIYYA MUSLIM WILL SURELY COME WITH SOME SILLY DRIVEL … NAME CALLING…TU QUOQUES….AD HOMINEMS…ETC.
    WE KNOW THAT !! BUT LOGICALLY YOU CAN NOT REFUTE IT !!! 😉 😉 😉

  308. Julia says:

    HMMM…THE BLACK STONE IS VERY TANGIBLE , DON'T YOU THINK ?
    But you are ashamed ! THIS IDOL WAS ALREADY IN THE KAABA BEFORE the year 622 . THE PAGANS USED TO WORSHIP IT , AND OF COURSE YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET TOO !!!You know that of course 😉 AND THE MUSLIMS STILL DO IT ! AGAIN : IT IS AN IDOL !!
    THE BIGGEST SIN A MUSLIM CAN DO…SHIRK. WORSHIPPING SOMEONE (THING) ELSE BESIDES ALLAH !
    AND YOU SAY : "IS THAT ALL JULIA ? "
    YOU ARE A TAQIYYA "SPECIALIST",ALI(BABA) , BUT A VERY STUPID ONE !

  309. Julia says:

    Nobody knows your or your evil muslimbrothers either !
    Nobody is interested !
    We are fighting Islam !!!
    THIS BACKWARD DOCTRINE !

  310. Raj_Humanity says:

    Alif Lam Mim means only one thing
    MUSLIMS ARE FOOLS.

  311. Julia says:

    TAK BEER ?
    CHEERS !! ALI .
    I am surprised….i thought you muslims do not drink alclhol.
    TAK BEER !!!!!! 😉
    RIDICULOUS KID … blow up yourself you coward…for allah !

  312. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I know you can't sleep without thinking Muslims. We experience those vibes alas ! you are so old !

  313. Ali says:

    Why go to the trouble of asking everyone Julian?

    I'll tell you in a split second what they mean.

    We cannot ascribe any particular meaning to these letters. Any particular meaning that these letters might have is known only to God. There you go dimwit.

    But, these letters serve to highlight the literary nature of the Quran, which you will never understand.

    And just before you make your predictable comment of the Quran thus has meaningless words, the meaning here is that the discourse is starting, so it is known that a new chapter is beginning and the previous one has ended. It serves to distinguish between speech acts. This is something known in the speech of the Arabs.

    Introducing a speech with disjoined letters as a stylistic means for beginning an eloquent discourse was not strange to the people at the time that the Quran was revealed. This is why the unbelievers in Mecca never made an issue out of these letters, though they would go to great pains to find whatever they could to criticize Islam.

    So, you Julian, can keep speculating until the cows come home.

    Oh… I do love it when I hammer the Hindus.

  314. Ali says:

    I will say this once and once only to you Julian.

    Stay off the crack!

  315. Julia says:

    CHILDISH REPLY !

  316. Raj_Humanity says:

    Ali both your possibilities are wrong!

    Use you head to find out other possibilities/options. You may want to make your bets more safe.

    One possibility you forgot to factor in:- A true God is there, but Allah is the Devil/Satan.

    Yet another possibility may be – there is a system in place – but not controlled or determined by a God. But this system pays you back, the same way you have done to others.

    Now rework your calculations further with two of these possibilities. There may be other possibilities which cannot be ruled out.

    But for start, you can work with the two options I suggested.

    If asked my opinion, unlike you, I do not see here any possibility. I see one and only one possibility here. I would not hedge my bets like you.

  317. denialisnoproof says:

    We effed pakistan in 1971 and created a secular nation called bangladesh .
    next target is balochistan

  318. denialisnoproof says:

    ali the chosen "[email protected]" who will get to be f_ked by vigin donkeys 😀

  319. denialisnoproof says:

    For muzzies peace means surrendering his brain to a pimp god allah and insulting means getting spit at by entire mankind
    allah is a lousy biatch

  320. denialisnoproof says:

    sealed my heart ? but my heart is pumping blood normally.
    parable ? Ask your allah to suck my kock .
    Idiotic mullahs when confronted with rationality will bark these words .muzzies are enemies of civilization.
    ask your allah to send some virgins to me . Madam allah 😀
    c_u_n_t is the big vagina in kaba which is licked by millions of muzzies

  321. Ali says:

    I did say you was stupid, didn't I Julian? It's right in front of your face but you still refuse to see it.

    I will ask again:

    Now say, if we agree that the term is deceive and deciever, not scheme, then what?

    Do you understand the following sentence retard? 'They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter'.

    Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?

    Take your time.

  322. Ali says:

    When you die, there are only 2 possibilities numb-nuts. Either there is a God and He will decide your fate or there is no God, so no worries, no fate.

    1 of 2. Just like a coin toss, once. Not twenty times, but once.

    A bit too deep for Julian. Stick to the HAHAHAHAHAHA lines.

  323. Ali says:

    You're Welcome Julian!

  324. Ali says:

    Get your rupees out you retard. How else do you think the piece of schit is going to be made? He needs another 8 million USD in order to make it, so start begging for the money denialisnoproof.

    Go on, do the whipround and start fund raising. You should be able to complete it in 2350!

  325. Ali says:

    Kid yourself not Julian!

    You are a dude living in India period. You can stand on top of the mountain and shout to your hearts content, but you will always be a man unless, you go for the s-e-x change. And we all know you cannot afford that coming from the bottom of the barrel village.

    If you was smarter than me in any, way, shape or form, I'd become a Hindu like you and start worshipping Iphone 5 when it is released. And we all know the answer to that, don't we, Julius?

    Stick to the ranting and raving Julian, as one day, you may just work out why you yell into an envelope and claim to be sending a voice mail!

    😉

  326. Rafiq says:

    "I'd take the curses from you common folk any-time hand down." How old is your brain ? it must be really really damaged !

    And please don't you ever replace Allah with God whenever you quote verses from the satanic Quran !

  327. Rafiq says:

    You must have assumed that i am indian, i am not, i'm from Africa !

    However "cow worship" is still better than corpse worship ! Allah died 1400 years ago. Maybe if i worship a cow it may give me good milk a delicious meat or other healthy cows, what can you possibly get from a dead psychopath ?

  328. Ali says:

    Comprehension was never something you grasped denialisnoproof, thus your mind boggling level of stupidity.

    It means God has sealed your heart, hearing and sight, and you could neither see the guidance nor hear, comprehend or understand it. In other words, you are void of wisdom.

    It's a PARABLE you thick k-uu–nn–tt.

  329. Ali says:

    Touching a sore nerve am I, Julian?

    Don't worry, I'm not even taking you seriously due to your stupidity. I'm just humiliating you at will.

    Your intellect level is so defunct, it took you 2 hours to watch 60 minutes!

    And you got the nerve to question the 'chosen ones'. Is it our fault, you decided to worship cow dung?

  330. Ali says:

    You got as much chance of destroying Islam as you have of personally living on Mars within the next 30 days Julian. NEVER!

    Drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream
    Drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream

  331. denialisnoproof says:

    Enemies of Civilization ?
    If your way of civilization includes killing maiming raping and destruction then yes we are barbarians.

    In 14th century there was a university of nalanda which khilji attacked and burnt . You know the recorded time took for burning all the books was 6 months.
    today if we pile up all the muslims and burn you . you wont even burn for 3 days . Fuking cousin f_ckers

  332. denialisnoproof says:

    :p Your god says that we are dumb ,deaf and blind.
    If I was blind how could I type this message?
    May be some one is paying you or you have taken virgins in heaven very seriously 😀
    Enjoy
    Why did allah ask noah to build the arc?

  333. Julia says:

    OH…ALI DID YOU THINK LONG ENOUGH NOW ABOUT MY QUESTION CONCERNING THE STRANGE LETTERS IN SURAH
    2:1 ETC.
    ALIF,LAM MIM.
    OH …THIS IS OF COURSE NOT A MIRACLE OF ALLAH. I THINK EVEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT….DO YOU ??? HAHAHA !! 😉

  334. Julia says:

    YEP,AL ,I AM A WOMAN !!! AND I AM SMARTER THEN YOU 😉 sorry!
    AND THAT MUST HURT YOU, BEING A "PROUD" but stupid MUSLIM !!
    AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION :
    I'M NOT AN INDIAN, NOR A HINDU,NOR A BUDIST !! THE WORLD IS MUCH BIGGER THEN YOU THINK WITH YOUR BRAINWASHED LITTLE BRAIN !!
    I AM A FREETHINKER ! I DON'T NEED SOME BACKWARD IMAM TO TELL WHAT TO THINK OR WHAT TO BELIEVE !!!
    BUT YOU CAN NOT EVEN IMAGINE SUCH FREEDOM, BECAUSE YOU STILL LIVE IN THE 7th CENTURY WITH YOUR INSANE CAMEL ,YOUR PERFECT ROLE-MODEL, THE FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED !!!
    GROW UP , MAN…LOOK AROUND IN THE WORLD….EDUCATE YOURSELF !! THIS IS 21th CENTURY !!!! 😉

  335. Julia says:

    ALI (BABA) SAID :
    "If our God does not exist, then why are you 'getting your knickers in a twist' about Islam, Julian? "
    THIS ALSO VERY SIMPLE , INBRED CRETIN !
    YOUR EVIL CULT ISLAM (STILL) EXIST !!! AND THÁT IS OUR PROBLEM !
    WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ( NON-EXSTING ) GODS !!!!
    IT IS THE BACKWARD DOCTRINE OF ISLAM WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST !!
    I don't care if you believe in a stone, a rat, or whatever ! But Islam wants to take away our freedom, our dignity and even our lives. AND OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT ! AND THAT IS WHY WE WILL DESTROY THIS EVIL CULT !! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT !!!! 😉

  336. Julia says:

    EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSATANDS WHAT I SAY HERE,
    ONLY YOU DON'T !!!
    AND WHAT IS THE POINT I'M MAKING TIGHT NOW ALI (BABA) ?
    TAKE YOUR TIME, AS YOUR ALWAYS SAY !! HAHAHA!
    YOU ARE PATHETIC AND RIDICULOUS , BUT YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB FOR US…SO PLEASE STAY AS LONG AS YOU CAN !!
    Your muslimbrothers (and your fake god allah) however will not like your stupid behaviour !!! 😉
    They will be very ashamed …and they should be 😉

  337. Julia says:

    SOME MUSLIMS ARE CLEAN AT THE OUTSTDE !!!
    This is what Jesus said about you: (bible Matt .23:27-28)
    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

  338. Julia says:

    THE BRAINWASHED PARANOID MUSLIM ALI SAID:
    " And I openly admit it.
    Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison. "
    1) Thank you for agreeing , at last, that you and your cult Islam are evil !!
    2) Who is this "god"of yours ? Prove his/her/its existence !!!! YOU CAN NOT , EVIL BASTARD !!

  339. Julia says:

    THE BRAINWASHED PARANOID MUSLIM ALI SAID:
    " And I openly admit it.

    Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison. "
    1) Thank you for agreeing , at last, that you and your cult Islam are evil !!
    2) Who is this "god"of yours ? Prove his/her/its existence !!!! YOU CAN NOT , EVIL BASTARD !!

  340. Julia says:

    EUROPE…..A RACE ?
    YOUR HATE HAS MADE YOU MAD ….AMIN-RAT !!!

  341. Julia says:

    ARGUMENTUM AD NUMERUM FALLACY !!! VEERY STUPID OF YOU AGAIN, MUSLIM (BIGGEST INSULT POSSIBLE !) ALI-BABA!! 😉

  342. Ali says:

    And I openly admit it.

    Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison.

  343. Ali says:

    And what was this friends name denialisnoproof?

    E.T. by any chance!

    I must commend you, you don't half come out with it.

  344. Ali says:

    And your point is ????? Julian?

  345. Eternal Religion says:

    @Julia
    ________Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times______
    Qurani Allah is exact opposite of this. How can be a God merciful who will punish the people till eternity. All the philosopher, scantiest, social activist who are/were/will non-believer in Mohammed will be punished severally in hell by Allah.
    ___Quran 1.1 : "(I begin this book) In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." (1*:1.)_____
    If (the Mohammedan) God be merciful, why has He sanctioned that men should inflict great suffering on other creatures by killing them for their food? Are not these animals innocent? Are they not His creatures? He should have also advised men to begin only good deeds in His name and not evil ones. Thus the passage (under discussion) is quite ambiguous. Should even such sinful acts, as theft, adultery, untruthfulness in speech, begun in God's name? Very likely it is on account of this ambiguity that the (Mohammedan) butchers etc., mutter "In the name of God, the compassionate, the most Merciful as the moment of cutting the throats of cows and other animals."

    It is clear then that the Mohammedans do begin even evil deeds in the name of God. The Mohammedan God can never be called Merciful, because He shows no mercy towards those animals (whose slaughter He sanctions). If the Mohammedans do not know the true meaning of this passage, its revelation is of no use to mankind. But if the Mohammedans interpret it differently, we should like to know what its plain meaning is.
    Praise be to God, the Lord of all creatures, the Compassionate, the Merciful." (1: 1, 2.)

    C. ~ Had the God of the Qoran been the Lord of all creatures, and been Merciful and kind to all, He would never have commanded the Mohammedans to slaughter men of other faiths, and animals, etc. If He is Merciful, will He show mercy even to the sinners? If the answer be given in the affirmative, it cannot be true, because further on it is said in the Qoran "Put Infidels to sword," in other words, he that does not believe in the Qoran and the Prophet Mohammad is an infidel (he should, therefore, be put to death). (Since the Qoran sanctions such cruelty to non-Mohammedans and innocent creatures such as cows) it can never be the Word of God. http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterfourteen…. (Light of Truth)

  346. Julia says:

    "God says: And they, the disbelievers among the Children of Israel, schemed, against Jesus, by assigning someone to assassinate him; and God schemed, by casting the likeness of Jesus onto the person who intended to kill him, and so they killed him, while Jesus was raised up into heaven; and God is the best of schemers, most knowledgeable of him (Jesus). ONLY TAQIYYA MUSLIMS LIKE YOU DON'T SEE THE EVILNESS IF THIS EXPLANATION !
    No real GOOD god would behave in such a DECEIVING way !
    YOU ARE BRAINWASHED MAN, YOU CAN'T THINK CLEARLY AND WTHOUT BIAS !!
    The best you can do for alla and all of humanity is…..to blow up yourself. Donlt be a coward and a hypocrite !

  347. Julia says:

    "Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times in the Quran, and the term khayru al-makireen is used only twice. I wonder which one you Islamophobes focus on? How one could twist this into something negative, I don’t know, but I guess Islamophobes are very adept at twisting things. "
    NOW THÁT IS REALLY STUPID!!
    EXAMPLE: Assume someone is 300 times good to you but he he deceives you 2 times ! Do you trust this person? Or do you think he is a deceiver? Do YOU SEE IT !!

  348. Julia says:

    You still don't get ot Muslim ( =big insult).
    There could be more Gods for example. YOU MUST FIRST PROVE THAT THERE IS ONE OR NO GOD !!!
    You don't know if there are only 2 possibilties . It is really simple , even for a muslim to understand !
    A COIN HAS ONLY 2 SIDES !!!
    You can only think as a brainwashed muslim !

  349. Ali says:

    I see the medication is wearing off Julianchandra!

    Angry, and at retards like you? You've got more chance of you flying to the moon with Richard Branson paying only 10 rupees for the fair on Virgin Galactic.

    I just take my time and demean you to-s-s-ers at will. Your stupidity levels in fact make me laugh and are setting new records.

    😉

  350. denialisnoproof says:

    My friend is a muslim he once said muslim areas are dirty .
    I didn't ask or tell him any thing but he himself told that .

  351. Ali says:

    You mean when I took your compatriot Loki to school and back concerning 1 of 2, and all he could do is witter on about probability in sequences when we were dealing about a one off event and no sequences! Which judging by your comments, you don't even have a clue about.

    That being the case, you're so dumb, you would starve if ever you locked yourself in a grocery store.

  352. denialisnoproof says:

    😀 raghunandan ? nice work bro . this shows your profound prejudice against hindus

  353. denialisnoproof says:

    I din't say hinduism is precise.
    I feel that you should use brain and be more rational.
    Do not forget change is the only constant.
    keep change your mentality .see the world as it is .
    By the way which madrasa did you graduate from?

    Take for eg the topic of miracle of water cycle in quran .
    this is some made up shit by zakir naik
    we can easily prove that islam is lie.
    you should better read everything alisina says in this website cross verify it with your quran and hadiths . we are not fighting islam because it has mistakes but because it is a ideology which poses great danger to humanity.

  354. Julia says:

    AD HOMINEMS !!! ONLY AD HOMINEMS !!!
    ILLOGICAL MUSLIM 😉

  355. Julia says:

    YOU PROVE OUR POINT !!
    ISLAM IS EVIL !!
    THANK YOU MUSLIM 😉

  356. Julia says:

    MUSLIMS ( AMINRIADH, ALI etc.) asked to prove that Islam is SATANIC !! HERE IS A PROOF .
    Who is the devil ? Also called SATAN. (n.b. Many other surahs come to the same cinclusion).
    Surah 22:4 says:"It has been decreed for every devil that whoever turns to him – he will misguide him and will lead him to the punishment of the Blaze."
    So the devil (Satan) is (are) the one(s) who sends people astray !
    What is the NAME of the entity in the QURAN that misguides people and sends them astray ?
    Surah 4:88 says: "What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance]."
    SO THE NAME IF THE ENTITY THAT SENDS PEOPLE ASTRAY IS ALLAH !!
    CONCLUSION: ALLAH IS (A?) SATAN.
    ISLAM IS THE RELIGION WHICH ALLAH ONLY APPROVES (Surah 3:85) . SO ISLAM IS SATANIC !! Q.E.D.

  357. Ali says:

    Dream on rafiq aka raghunandan.

    You guys seem to be delusional with a capital D and think cow worship is normal.

    I don't pity you pagans, I am amazed at your stupidity.

  358. Ali says:

    And after the cow kicks the sh—t out of denialisnoproof, he will immediately fall to his knees and start worshipping the sh—-t.

    😀

  359. Ali says:

    How comes you haven't tumbled it then denialisnoproof, if Islam is a house built on cards and anyone can tumble it?

    Are you finally admitting your feebleness or you still believe you are stupid? Take your pick of the two.

  360. Ali says:

    Is that it Julian?

    At least give something remotely tangible.

  361. Julia says:

    NO ANSWER OF COURSE OF THE BACKWARD MUSLIM QURRATALAYN !!! 🙂

  362. Ali says:

    Julian is a man. A Hindu man form India subscribing to Hinduism to be precise.

    Just like you denialisnoproof. A Hindu and a nasty one at that.

    For you to believe Julians replies to be intelligent, sums up your own intellect deficiency.

    But what can we expect from someone like you who is so dumb, you could trip over a cordless phone!

  363. Julia says:

    ALL AD HOMINEMS, "SCHOLAR" AMIN-RAT !!! 😉

  364. Julia says:

    PROOF: The blackstone you muslims are kissing !!
    But there is much more: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha

  365. Julia says:

    FOR proof see: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha
    This will make you angry…I know !! 😉

  366. Ali says:

    Dream fking on denialisnoproof. The only thing you are going to bring down is the your bed from the roof.

  367. Julia says:

    NO LOGICAL ANSWER OF COURSE OF THE "SCHOLAR" AMIN-RAT !!! 😉

  368. Julia says:

    AMINRIADH: " But I know my way around Classical Arabic pretty well. " HERE IS HOW I EXPERIENCED IT:
    Muslims to non-muslim who critisizes Islam:
    1) Muslim(smiling) "You don't understand Islam. Read the Quran yourself."
    2)Non-muslim: "But I have read the Quran in English."
    3) Muslim: "you have read the wrong translation".
    4) Non-muslim: "I read Yusuf Ali" as many muslims do themselves!
    5) Muslim ( haughty smiling) : "you have to read the Quran in Arabic".
    6) Non-muslim : "I did, and it was even more disgusting and violent"!
    7) Muslim (angry !): "You have to read the Quran in CLASSICAL Arabic"!!
    8) Non-muslim : "I try to, but the oldest Qurans have no diacritical signs, many words are missing, etc. … every 5th sentence is completely unreadable, even Arab-scholars can't read it".
    9) Muslim ( furious and violent now) cries: "YOU EVIL KAFIR, YOU ARE CRAZY!!…YOU WILL BURN in HELL !!!"

  369. denialisnoproof says:

    @Julia .As Ali is a devout muslim . he has to believe whatever quran bullschits about.
    qurant says women are less intelligent than men ,He thinks you are a man as you are more intelligent than him and giving befitting replies .
    Bubba ali is this why you are thinking that julia is a man?

  370. denialisnoproof says:

    your muhammad used to have sex with his umpteen wives even if they were undergoing period. muzzies in india live like a parasites in india

  371. denialisnoproof says:

    muslims are clean ? come and see how muslims are living in india

  372. denialisnoproof says:

    Hi Ali wassup

    If islam is wrong we are going to bring down it's institutions in our country .
    that's our aim

  373. Julia says:

    YOU ARE REALLY ANGRY ,HEY ALI-BABA !!! YOU ARE NOT AS "COOL" AS YOU ALWAYS PRETEND TO BE !! 😉
    BUT THAT IS GOOD !!! IT MEANS THERE ARE SOME CELLS LEFT IN YOUR BRAIN .
    I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU NOR OF YOUR "HELL". HAHAHA !! BACKWARD RETARD . YOU HAVE A 7TH CENTURY MINDSET .!!!
    BUT ASSUME I WILL BURN FOREVER, WHY SHOULD YOU BE SO ANGRY THEN !! YOUR FAKE ALLAH WILL PUNISH ME …YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU MORON. OR DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR SUPPOSEDLY ALLMIGHTY ALLAH NEEDS HELP OF A MORON WHO CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND SOME SIMPLE PROBABILITY THEORY.
    WHAT CAN DO HOWEVER IS BLOW UP YOURSELF AMONG SOME INNOCENT PEOPLE ( or muslims ) ALLAH LIKES THAT VERY MUCH ….YOU KNOW ! HAHAHAHAHA !!!

  374. Julia says:

    You are a Muslim Ali-Baba so of course you THINK you are a genius. ! 😉
    That is what your fake prophet The Insane Camel ( al insan al kamil) Mohammed also thought of himself…and you must follow and obey this evil bastard !!!!!
    You even proved to be a genius with your invention of a new Probabily theory and a new principle of equal likelyhood!
    It was very funny to see how LOKI destroyed you ! Sorry man…but you are REALLY STUPID !!! And ridiculous HAHAHA !!!!!
    In the same manner Islam will be destroyed ….with the SIMPLE TRUTH 😉
    GET OVER IT !!! 😉

  375. Rafiq says:

    "the chosen one" you can keep telling yourself that as long as you wish, you can believe in your materialistic heaven as hard as you want, it will never be true my dear friend. I pity you… Seriously !

  376. Julia says:

    I am not a dude, I am a woman. I told you that before. But even thát you can get in your head.
    LOKI got you red handed Ali-Baba.You don't understand probability…and thát is the truth you have to live with. But you can not admit, because your a supemacistic muslim. Even if you are clearly wrong …you still think you are right.!!
    And then you start calling names , because you have no arguments left.
    You are childish and pathetic…and in your heart you know it.
    But go on trying to be "cool" and let us laugh some more!!
    You can't even stop you backward babbling !
    HAHAHA !!!

  377. Ali says:

    @Julian. Not too bright are we retard?

    Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times in the Quran, and the term khayru al-makireen is used only twice. I wonder which one you Islamophobes focus on? How one could twist this into something negative, I don’t know, but I guess Islamophobes are very adept at twisting things.

    The term khayru al-makireen is first used in verse 3:54 of the Quran:

    And they schemed (against Jesus) and God schemed (against them), but God is the best schemer.

    The context of this verse can be found in Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, as follows:

    God says: And they, the disbelievers among the Children of Israel, schemed, against Jesus, by assigning someone to assassinate him; and God schemed, by casting the likeness of Jesus onto the person who intended to kill him, and so they killed him, while Jesus was raised up into heaven; and God is the best of schemers, most knowledgeable of him (Jesus).

    So, that is the context in which God “schemed", similar to the one mentioned in 8.30, but you dudes want to clutch at straws.

    When one schemes, it's known as a plan and God has a systematic plan for the likes of you Julian. And that plan is…………………you fkers will burn in Hell-fire for eternity! 😀

    Now say, if we agree that the term is deceive and deciever, not scheme, then what?

    Do you understand the following sentence retard? 'They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter'.

    Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?

    Take your time.

  378. Ali says:

    You still talking Julian?

    You know there is help out there for retards?

    I don't know about India and the schit infested village you come from, but over here, it's world class.

    I might be crazy in your books, but to be fair, who isn't to you, however, compared to you I am a genius.

    I'm surprised you haven't got a sign on Uranus, saying 'open for business, come on in'!

    Don't worry mate, your'e not the first and definitely won''t be the last.

    You are so stupid you sold your car for petrol money and when you go to sleep, you take a ruler to bed to see how long you slept!

  379. Ali says:

    If our God does not exist, then why are you 'getting your knickers in a twist' about Islam, Julian?

    STFU and get on with your schitty life.

    Make your mind up dikwad.

  380. Ali says:

    You still here Julian?

    Ain't you meant to be back at the Yerawada Mental Hospital where a dik worshipper like you is a permanent resident? You was only on accompanied home leave for the weekend.

    Get back you retard.

    😉

  381. Ali says:

    A fool supporting a fool doesn't become a genius Julian!

    You believe Jupiter created you. And as far as 1 of 2 is concerned, your logic is more than likely that of Loki's. Even a retarded infant could tell you what 1 of 2 means. But, You are Hindu Indian, so what do we expect.

    See ya dude.

  382. Julia says:

    BAD LUCK TO YOU , ALI(BABA) !!

  383. Julia says:

    I KNEW IT !!!. I KNEW HOW YOUR ANSWER WOULD LOOK LIKE ! BUT IT IS,OF COURSE, NO ANSWER AT ALL !!
    WHAT AN ARROGANT MUSLIM-BASTARD YOU ARE !
    But you are funny and helpful ! People see how quasi-intellectual muslims think ! HAHAHA

  384. denialisnoproof says:

    You are accusing me of being irrational .so please explain me what is rationality according to muslim .

  385. aminriadh says:

    "We here is a group of rational people . "

    Your stupidity often is astounding . . . your use of "we" did not refer to a group of rational people. That would be an idiotic comment to make . . .

    – – –

    "I will try to mend it not like muslim brain dead idiots . "

    No you won't – this is rather obvious from the comments you write.

    – – –

    "So please educate me what is rationality "

    If you claim to be already rational . . . then why is it that you need educating in it?

  386. denialisnoproof says:

    We here is a group of rational people . Hindu is my cultural identity . If there is something irrational in my ideas or in culture I will try to mend it not like muslim brain dead idiots .
    Who follow every thing like herd of sheep.

    So please educate me what is rationality

  387. aminriadh says:

    "No We understand the rationality unlike muzzy sub humans who get indoctrinated instead of getting educated"

    There is no "we" where you have inserted it. Also as a Hindu – you go through the same indoctrination process. . . you language style, tone and etc – reveal you to be nothing more than a 'troll'.

    You do not have the ability to string a single decent argument together. . . I am not sure yo even understand the basic concept and the difference between what is and isn't an argument.

    Hence – this is probably the reason why you said "we" rather than "I". A bit cowardly . . . attempting to hide behind a group . . . rather than bravely flying your own flag.

    – – –

    You simply come here to vent such comments . . . why? They don't make a difference to anything . . just mindless swearing . . . intimating on your own sad state of mind.

    They are not intelligent . . . or elucidate any knowledge. . . . I hope you draw some comfort from them . . . and they at least make you feel better!

    – – –

    As far as 'rationality' goes . . . my dear . . . you need help – in more ways than one. To reason is beyond you . . . to rationalise is a stage higher. . . you have no hope of getting there . . . with your present state of mind.

  388. denialisnoproof says:

    Ali sina Zindabad .
    I will watch your movie first say first show if it is released in india.
    How can we contribute for your movie?

  389. denialisnoproof says:

    No We understand the rationality unlike muzzy sub humans who get indoctrinated instead of getting educated. Islam is a house built on cards ,anybody can tumble it. The only two pillars of islam are blasphemy law and apostasy laws

  390. aminriadh says:

    "Call me liar from now till death. How long would that be? 70 years from now? That won't change the simple truth. Many see the truth and don't recognize it or don't want to admit it. "

    Yet in the above matter . . . you know full well – you lied. And you cannot get away from that – with mere words . . . not when all evidence fails you.

    – – –

    "How can one prove years of study of an ancient language? "

    By showing your knowledge . . . and not merely claiming it. . . .

    THAT IS A BIT OBVIOUS!

    Hence – you lied about it. If you haven't . . . then why did you resort to such patronising BULLSHIT?

    – – – –

    "Prove to me that Allah is the true God, can you do that? "

    Yet this is DIVERSION . . . . from the above. I am not asking you anything more than prove your imagined "years of study" of Arabic.

    When you are CLEARLY unable to do so . . . you resort to BS such as above . . . which logically fallacious on more than one count.

    Don't piss about . . . . either answer – or leave it.

    – – – –

    "I on the other hand can prove that Jesus is the true God (inside and outside scriptures). "

    No you cannot – But finalise the above first.

    Simple – you claimed supposed knowledge of Arabic. . .

    . . . .simple question of proving it . . . and you went to pieces.

    Hence – YOU LIED – And I have successfully exposed that.

  391. aminriadh says:

    Hans Wehr is a simplified dictionary . . . for better and detailed explanation . . .
    http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/

    Even better – is to refer to the Original Classical Arabic lexicons. . . however Lanes is an excellent alternative.

    – – –

    The trouble with people referring to all such material – is that they do not have the ability to discern or comprehend themselves.

    What is the value of using such material as evidence . . . with such open bias?

    – – –

    It is interesting to note that the site – whenever it is in their favour to do so – will refer to Classical dictionaries and expert materials . . . when it isn't they will leave it out.

    Hence – there is only slight reference to such material. And that in the footnotes.

    Experts used? Badawi and Yahya. Hardly your first choice of expertise in Arabic.

    = = =

    For the sake of blowing ones own trumpet – Even I consider myself to have better command of Classical Arabic than Harun Yahya.

  392. Julia says:

    YOUR GOD ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST . SO LET HIM CURSE…STUPID BACKWARD
    MUSLIM . YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING YOUR IMAM SAYS. YOU CAN AND DARE NOT THINK FOR YOURSELF ABOUT ISLAM !!!
    Unnecessary Questioning is Disapproved in Islam , you know that Ali, don't you ?

  393. Julia says:

    I think this "thing" Ali is right !
    The muslims are the chosen ones. Chosen for hell by their Allah. Quran 19:71. http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/muslims_in

  394. QurratAlAyn says:

    Your HAHAHA does not prove anything,Julia.

    And your lame argument does not deserve our attention.

  395. Julia says:

    GOOD WORK LOKI.
    THIS ARROGANT MUSLIM IS TOTALLY DESTROYED BY YOU !!
    HE DOES NOT HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA ABOUT PROBABILITY . HOW COULD HE…"
    HE IS A MUSLIM !!! HAHAHA !!!
    He believes in JINNS ! 😉 😉

  396. Julia says:

    "Don't hate mate, don't hate! "
    Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
    AND SO ON AND ON !!!

  397. Julia says:

    YOUR ALLAH AND MOHAMMED ARE MUCH WORSE .
    READ YOUR EVIL QUEAN ONCE AS ANORMAL HUMAN BEING !!!
    HOW MANY TIMES SAID ALLAH (=MOHAMMED) THAT ALL UNBELIEVERS WILL GO TO HELL .
    UNBELIEVERES HE HAS CREATED HIMSELF (supposedly) AND THEN BLINDED THEM AND SET THEM ASTRAY!!!
    HOW DISGUSTING …INDEED !!!

  398. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Issued in Public Interest

    Trolling is natural outcome of long lasting hatred phenomenon mastered by group of community people mostly lacking intellectual capabilities.

    Its always sign of low intellectuality and intelligence when folks run for shadow instead of real object where shadow is dependent of light and angel while projecting an object.

    Here are some people with dreams of eradicating Islam and some are moved by their interests. Whatever Anti-Islamists try to attack some Islamists will defend and some Islamist will counter-attack on their faiths or understandings.

  399. Julia says:

    ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST, IBLEES DOES NOT EXIST, MOHAMMED IS DEAD (if he ever existed !), JINNS DON'T EXIST, HELL DOES NOT EXIST ETC.ETC. !!!
    OTHERWISE : PROVE IT !!!
    IT is all in your brainwashed head !!

  400. Julia says:

    " Read any classical dictionary of of Arabic – It will mention the word مكر means to to strategy against."
    NO…Hans Wehr dictionary also confirms the meaning of the term:
    makara u (makr) : to deceive (sic!) , delude , cheat,dupe, gull,double-cross.
    makr: cunning, craftiness,slyness, wiliness, double-dealing,deception,trickery.
    YOU CAN FIND IT ALL HERE : http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver
    BUT I ALREADY THINK I KNOW YOUR ANSWER ! 😉

  401. Julia says:

    HERE IS GOOFY THE ARABIC AGAIN. !
    ARABIC IS JUST ANOTHER LANGUAGE !!! AND THEREFORE IT CAN BE TRANSLATED !! IF NOT…THEN IT WOULD BE A VERY STRANGE LANGUAGE INDEED , IT WOULD EVEN BE WORTHLESS !!!
    ANOTHER THING IS THE ARABIC OF THE ( OLDEST) QURANS . THESE BOOKS ARE VERY UNCLEAR ( NO DIACRITIC SIGNS ) , WORDS MISSING ETC.
    NO ONE CAN REALLY SAY WHAT IS IN THIS BOOKS, NOT EVEN ARABIC SPEAKING SCHOLARS !!!
    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtdmiRnZhI

  402. Julia says:

    YEP!!! COMPLETELY WORTHLESS !!!

  403. Julia says:

    Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''
    YUQYAH or TAQIYYA is a very islamic principle. This means that all muslims are ass-holes too. is it not "point" ?

  404. Julia says:

    ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOUR ISLAMIC HELL, YOUR SATAN, YOUR PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE, OF EVIL JINNS ???
    Allah sends all sinners to his hell, where they will endure horrible torture.
    Don't you beloeve that, Aminriadh ?? Come on man ….

  405. Julia says:

    Don't try to escape with some silly answer QURRAT…
    Rather tell us what these silly Arabic letters Alif, Lam, Mim mean !!
    I know that it are the leters A,L and M.
    BUT WHAT DO THEY MEAN ??? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THESE STRANGE LETTERS ?
    AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
    Or are you yourself a blind person following the blind??
    Please a logical and straightforward answer , no beating around the bush , please.
    Your Allah says himself that his book is WITHOUT DOUBT,
    EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !!! COME ON !! LET'S HAVE IT !!! 😉
    HEY…D NO: "ALLAH KNOWS BEST". That is NOT an explanation at all !!

  406. Julia says:

    To the Islamic scholar Aminriadh. You said:
    "I have already established what Makkar means ".
    NO you did not ! You think (because you are brainwashed) you did , but that is of course not the same ! 😉
    But O.K. let's leave that aside . I have another question , which is also very well known, but which is never answered in a "scholarly" (hmmm) way yet !
    It is a simple question,really, and I have asked other "scholars" before :
    What do the letters Alif,Lam,Mim in surah 2:1 mean ? There are more such letters in other surahs, you know that !
    Now since your Allah says that his Quran is WITHOUT DOUBT, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL ,I assume that YOU know the LOGICAL AND UNDERSTANDABLE ANSWER on this question !!
    I hope you don't try to escape with some silly excuse !! 😉

  407. Julia says:

    VERY GOOD JOB DRAGOSTE7 !!!
    That Allah is the BEST OF DECEIVERS is a very painful spot for the muslims !
    You can see that they do ALL they can to escape from the simple TRUTH !! I like that . You can see the arrogant quasi-intellectual Amim-rat and the backward AliBaba sweating !!!
    Here something else for them to consider !!
    If they need so much explanation , then they implicitly say that their fake god Allah is a LIAR . Because many times this demon-god says that his book is easy to understand and clearly explained IN DETAIL !!
    So their should not been need for outside sources !
    YEP !!! THE TRUTH WILL ALSO SET YOU MUSLIMS FREE !! 😉

  408. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Isn't your I.D. is Julia and point? How empty you I have noticed !

  409. Julia says:

    OH YES …It ts going to work.!!
    MAAKIREEN means DECEIVER !!! OF COURSE BUT YOU DON'T LIKE THIS !!! IT IS THE TRUTH ! MUSLIMS AND ISLAM CAN'T stand the truth !!
    Arabic Transliteration: Waqad makara allatheena min qablihim falillahi almakru jameeAAan yaAAlamu ma taksibu kullu nafsin wasayaAAlamu alkuffaru liman AAuqba alddari
    Literal tramslation: And those from before them had cheated/deceived/schemed, so to God (is) all the cheatery/deceit/scheme. He knows what every self gains/acquires , and the disbelievers will know to whom (is) the house's/home's end/turn (result).
    FOR MUCH MORE ON THIS SEE:
    http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Dece
    READ IT !! IQRAH !!! HAHAHA !!!

  410. Julia says:

    Well Ali Sina does not have to do a psychoanalysis on you brainwashed Ali(Baba).
    Even I can do that: You are completely crazy !!
    HAHAHA !!! Don't be offended ,muslim !

  411. Julia says:

    MAN!!! You are really stupid. I can see why your I.D. is just a point. But that is still to much.
    You are completely EMPTY !!! But how can you type that ?
    Perhaps { ) , An empty set as in mathemathics ??? HAHAHA !!!

  412. Ali says:

    @Dragoste7. Well, why don't you get Ali Sina to do a psychoanalysis on Jesus, just like he has claimed to have done on Mohammed, so he can show all the world including the Christians, by publishing a book! That way, we can all learn about Jesus.
    After which he can do one on Moses. And then one on Buddha and then Krishna, so no one feels left out.

    He seems to claim, albeit by proxy, to be THE world's leading authority on this and has done something and discovered something that no one has ever done before.

    We await.

  413. Warner says:

    Just stop howling like dog you alisina and your companions and get ready for your destiny. Alisina you have been declared to murder and after your death alongwith your companions you will come to know the truth but it will be all invain then caz the time would have alrady been passed for you to return. I tell you alisina and your companions, your life has a beginning but has no end and you have to live forever either in jannah or in hell now the choice is yours. Get ready for your end.

  414. aminriadh says:

    "Muslims are hurting Muslims while Christians are offering their homes to Syrian refugees and some Israeli pilots avoided to kill innocents from their sworn enemies. "

    Meaningless biffle baffle . . . . especially when Christians themselves are NOT prone to

    – – –

    The Israeli statement . . . really takes the biscuit. That is example of mercy? That those are somehow good soldiers who didn't kill innocent?

    What about all those times . . . they actually did? Or their countless fellows did?

  415. aminriadh says:

    "Your last statement about Jesus shows how little you know about him and the bible. "

    Whereas it shows the opposite . . . given how you couldn't even bring a counter-argument. But made one of your usual meaningless comments.

    – – – –

    "Apparently he didn't do that much effort to hush it up did he? "

    Actually – any effort made – was disgusting. The right thing – to cull the problem. The real problem is the inhumane requirement to be celibate.

    – – –

    "And you see he also forgave those corrupted people and instead of I don't know "lash them" or beat them or telling them "you're going to hell", he kept them in Vatican under probation and in a program to heal them. "

    Yet you don't bother to mention – WHICH people. Hence another meaningless comment.

    – – –

    " Believe what you want to believe, you only see that non-Muslims are evil. "

    Now you are resorting to open lies . . .

    – – –

    "Give me a break, my people never harmed others instead they always helped."

    Another utterly meaningless comment . . . how am I meant to know who "your people" are.

    If it is the Catholics . . . well – then this has to be the most delusional statement ever. . .

    – – –

    "That's what I was trying to say all along but you have prejudice that you only think that I am trying to justify others violence"

    See . . . even in this you lie . . . not others' violence but your own. Also:

    "If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did. "

    The above and what you later claim – don't go together.

    "That's a stupid argument because any country can do and justify its violence the same way Mohammad did. "

    Doh! Yet you attempted to justify YOU POTENTIAL violence – by what you are condemning now.

    Those were your words. . . that is what they indicate.

    – – – –

    "It's not meaningless when Arab Muslims disagree with you and they are proud that their prophet was a strong conqueror. "

    And in context:

    "Tell that to Muslim scholars and Mullahs. "

    The above statement is as . . . meaningless as ever.

  416. Dragoste7 says:

    There are good people in every country and every religion.

  417. Dragoste7 says:

    "See JP II knew about altar boys being raped . . . he sought to keep it under wraps and hush it up. . . "

    Apparently he didn't do that much effort to hush it up did he?
    And you see he also forgave those corrupted people and instead of I don't know "lash them" or beat them or telling them "you're going to hell", he kept them in Vatican under probation and in a program to heal them.
    Many Christians didn't like that decision, they wanted those people to be kicked out of the Vatican.

    ——————————————————————–

    "This isn't what you have said above . . . you attempted to justify your own violence . . . as counter-violence. Which many people do. When caught out . . . you sought creative re-interpretation."

    That's what you think. Believe what you want to believe, you only see that non-Muslims are evil. Give me a break, my people never harmed others instead they always helped. I wasn't justifying my violence because I never was violent. I was only pointing that thinking in a violent way will backfire. Let me simplify it to you one last time:
    according to muslims, Muslims led by mohamad raged a Jihad war and conquered/looted other tribes/countries under the flag of "self-defense". That's a stupid argument because any country can do and justify its violence the same way Mohammad did. That's what I was trying to say all along but you have prejudice that you only think that I am trying to justify others violence while I'm only saying that this IS STUPID.

    ————————————————————————–

    "How meaningless. . . . why did you even bother to comment? Who was that statement going to impress? "

    It's not meaningless when Arab Muslims disagree with you and they are proud that their prophet was a strong conqueror.

    ——————————————————————-

    Your last statement about Jesus shows how little you know about him and the bible.

  418. aminriadh says:

    "Media spotlight didn't stop many cardinals at the Vatican from corruption or raping altar boys."

    See JP II knew about altar boys being raped . . . he sought to keep it under wraps and hush it up. . .

    where was his forgiveness then?

    He only forgave that person . . . because of Media. The only thing to do.

    – – –

    "If you're a celebrity and you claim that your chicken lay golden eggs, why would you make such claim and risk destroying your reputation? "

    Wow . . . what a wonderfully fallacious analogy. How does it equate to JP2 forgiving his potential assassin? It doesn't

    – – –

    "No I did not change my tune, I was just saying that if I am to follow the logic of the Muslim (which his name only shows as squares in my browser) then I'll have every "excuse" to nuke Muslim countries (that is just to make a point that if we are to think like him, he'll be already nuked). There is nothing deceptive there, only reasoning. Reread the argument above, it's all there. "

    This isn't what you have said above . . . you attempted to justify your own violence . . . as counter-violence. Which many people do. When caught out . . . you sought creative re-interpretation.

    – – –

    "Tell that to Muslim scholars and Mullahs. "

    How meaningless. . . . why did you even bother to comment? Who was that statement going to impress?

    – – –

    "No, according to Jesus, everyone will be judged by how much they loved and helped. No mention to religion when he talked about judgment day. "

    Yet a "gentile" – non-Jewish woman bested him . . . The Jesus according to the Bible was a 'stick character' – who only came to the Jews.

    This how "much they loved and helped" – means absolute ZILCH.

  419. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    ??I know Israeli killed innocent Palestinians but I was pointing out that there are good Israelis. ??

    And there are good Lebanese, good Turks and good Syrians around you. Isn't that make you feel good ?????

  420. Rojas says:

    Sorry to be off-topic, but what happened to http://www.faithfreedom.org ?

    Hopefully it will come back?

  421. Amr says:

    Do you mean this "And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: “Tell me the names of these if you are truthful.”

    They said: “Glory be to You! We possess no knowledge save what You have taught us. Indeed, You alone are All-Knowing, the Wise.”

    He said: “O Adam! Inform them of their names.” When he had informed them, Allah said: “Did I not tell you that I know what is unseen in the heavens and on Earth, and I know what you reveal and what you hide?” [Sūrah al-Baqarah: 31-33]
    What I understood from Surah is different because I am Arabic speaker…you have problem in translation God test the angles knowledge not Adam's memory …

  422. aminriadh says:

    "They have Sikh and Jewish members. "

    So has BNP – something which was simply enforced. However some joined up – in anti-Muslim hate.

    EDL – is a Racist group – their origin and leaders are . . . and they are quite violent. Almost all of their demos tend to end in fisticuffs with the Police.

    – – –

    Anti-Muslims hate has been a good vehicle, for a while, for the BNP as well. Sina's support for this violent group comes from Geller's support for it.

  423. none says:

    Heaven is full of beautiful girl ready for having sex with muslim/mujahidin…hahaha what a stupid and lust Muhammad

  424. Ali says:

    The Miracle you are looking for is right in front of you and I showed you some proofs, which you just couldn't comprehend. The QURAN.

    Now you are using the tu quoque fallacy.

    You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser.

    Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off the accused having to defend themselves and shifts the focus back onto the accuser themselves.

    The implication is that if one's opponent also does the thing that they are accused of, then their opponent is a hypocrite. Irrespective of whether this might be true or not, the problem lies in the fact that it is effectively a tactic to avoid recognising and responding to the criticism of one's argument – by turning it back on the accuser, the accused doesn't need to answer the accusation.

    It is you that needs to answer and not just brush it under the carpet.

    You need to pray for yourself……… to see the Truth.

  425. aminriadh says:

    " John Paul II could have done nothing, neither forgive nor condemn. But he chose not just to forgive but to also help. "

    In such Media spotlight – he had NO OTHER OPTION. Simple – what he did WAS NOT EXAMPLE OF FORGIVENESS.

    Especially when you consider his lack of "forgiveness" in other matters.

    – – – –

    "Mohammad showed no mercy to his enemies, that's history not my assumption. "

    No – those are your words . . . and that is it.

    – – –

    "You called it deception. I do not wish to Nuke Muslim countries, on the contrary I'm helping innocent Muslim Syrians to settle in my country and feel like home. You have no idea what they've been through. "

    You have CHANGED your tune. That is NOT what you implied above . . . . hence deception.

    – – –

    "According to Quran and Allah such good people will go to hell (since they are not Muslims). What Justice is that? "

    tut. . . tut. . . and according to Christianity – all non-Christians will go to hell – no matter what. . . so what justice is that?

  426. aminriadh says:

    "Those pilots ignored orders because they didn't want to massacre innocent civilians. Even though those civilians are Lebanese who are considered enemies. "

    huh? Innocent civilians are just that . . . it has always been frowned on killing innocent civilians . . . what you describe is ahrdly earth shatteringly brave or humane.

    – – –

    "That's part of how you "love your enemy". You may be forced to fight in wars or self-defense yourself but when you have another choice where you can show mercy and forgiveness to your enemy, you must not forget your humanity. "

    No one forces IDF . . . and that is NOT what 'loving your enemies' mean.

    What? that for once they didn't slaughter innocent? Give me a break.

  427. aminriadh says:

    You tried to pretend to be something and someone that YOU ARE NOT.

    And the patronizing. . . attempt. Cor!

    You are lying old windbag . . . an I am calling you out over it.

    Don't attempt to get out of fix with these fallacious means. . . .

    "like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word (what the prophet really meant since it was his language before Islam influenced Arabic)"

    This is what you said . . . either prove it or keep quiet.

    – – –

    "Out of many, the first evidence I would give is that Jesus was tortured, crucified and rose from the dead. "

    What the HELL has that got to do with what we were discussing?

  428. Dragoste7 says:

    Yes move on Ali and keep telling yourself the same lie over and over again.

    You used the word "answer" three times in the reply you just wrote. The 3 symbolizes "Trinity" the one and only God and it is the "answer". Do you see how stupid this sounds?

    Like I said, anyone can make something look astonishing out of nothing. All that anyone needs is someone stupid enough to be astonished.

    By the way, Why mohamad didn't point out such numbers in the Quran? The answer is simple and clear. Muhamad had no idea. The numbers are later gathered by some desperate muslims. Why didn't you count water with soil, embryos…. After all water is more than 80% of our body. Oh I know, that will ruin your precious miraculous numbers.

    There are many scholars still till today studying and decoding the bible. They found really weird stuff that makes what you presented so little and nothing.
    You're laughing at me thinking I can't give you an answer, but my dear I did. It's not my problem that you do not understand it.

    And if you're so proud thinking that Islam/Quran is so miraculous, why don't you show me the real thing. A miracle that happens today, something really amazing done by our God like the old time when he did miracles with Jews? I know your answer will be that Quran is the last miracle and Mohamed is the last prophet, well I got news for you: Continuously (till today) a supernatural miracle happens with us that carries a message from God and Let the true God strike me dead and drag me straight to hell if I'm lying about this. God didn't leave us with just memories but you're too stubborn and full of ego which is blinding you from seeing the truth.

    I have to go now, I'll be praying for you hoping that you'll have enough sense to realize the lie you live in.

  429. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Hopeless news Junkie what else you come up with "Love your enemy"? World is full of visible hypocrites like you are !!!

    [youtube X47xNH1jcAc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X47xNH1jcAc youtube]

    Now you are agreed rational violence is OK. Americans are not Christians ! Fact is that there is no religion in Christians !

    Quran don't guide to only fight but have every possible solutions for situations as in war and with enemies !

    Jesus hate Christians coz these are shameless Christians who made Jesus as a joker and follow their own rule to announce publicly no we are not Christians to do this !

  430. Ali says:

    @Dragostev7. So I take it you cannot answer the question and in turn throw a question back using the personal incredulity fallacy, because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true.

    Anyway, Mohammed was mad and an illiterate amongst other claims of you guys, but he still manages to pull of a feat like the one I mentioned to you in the Quran which you cannot answer and can never answer.

    Sometimes we just have to shrug our shoulders, smile to ourselves and move on. Just like what I am doing right now.

    Better luck next time.

  431. Dragoste7 says:

    You're getting more aggressive, what did I say to upset you? All I asked is that you do your own search. I didn't ask you to believe me.

    Fine you don't want to do your own search, I'll do you a favor and help you out that if you want to of course.

    Out of many, the first evidence I would give is that Jesus was tortured, crucified and rose from the dead.
    Do you want me to present the evidence?

  432. Dragoste7 says:

    And your point is?

    Anyone can make look like he has significant numbers in his scriptures. lookup more and maybe you can form a DNA code.
    http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/the%20sihttp://www.bible-codes.org/bush-bible-code-scroll

    If you're playing it like this, The cellular structure (you can google laminin) that holds our body together is the shape of the cross and there is a bible verse that says that Jesus holds everything together.
    Colossians 1:16-17 says, “For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” http://www.faithandhealthconnection.org/weekly-fa

    And if we search more we find more amazing stuff in this science-religion thing like a cross in the black hole captured by Nasa…..

    So there's nothing miraculous in what you presented

  433. Dragoste7 says:

    John Paul II could have done nothing, neither forgive nor condemn. But he chose not just to forgive but to also help.

    ———

    Mohammad showed no mercy to his enemies, that's history not my assumption.

    ————–

    What is this example . . . exactly of?
    Of Muslims killing and raping each others. Of people showing no mercy to their own people. If that's what they did for their own people, what do we expect of them when they attack their ennemies?

    ———–

    You called it deception. I do not wish to Nuke Muslim countries, on the contrary I'm helping innocent Muslim Syrians to settle in my country and feel like home. You have no idea what they've been through.

    In Australia, we (Christians) placed pressure on the government to take Syrian refugees. The government accepted to bring Syrians but won't give them shelter. So the Australian families are signing up in churches to accept Syrian families in their homes. That's the condition to grant them a Visa. Do you know how huge this is? To accept strangers in their house who came from different background, To support them and feed them for probably many years to come. They'll be sharing the same roof with their wives and daughters and sons.

    That's the definition of "goodness". People in the afterlife will be judged by how good they are and how much they cared and loved not by their religion. According to Quran and Allah such good people will go to hell (since they are not Muslims). What Justice is that?

  434. Dragoste7 says:

    Asking the right questions is smart. Avoiding to answer them is either laziness or deception.

    First of all "America" is not "Christian", it's a county that holds people from different religions.

    Wars sometimes are inevitable to happen, but how you act toward your defeated enemy or innocent civilians would show your true Metal.

    Israeli pilots 'deliberately miss' targets: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/06/israe

    Those pilots ignored orders because they didn't want to massacre innocent civilians. Even though those civilians are Lebanese who are considered enemies.
    These pilots are not Christians, they are Israeli Jews.
    That's part of how you "love your enemy". You may be forced to fight in wars or self-defense yourself but when you have another choice where you can show mercy and forgiveness to your enemy, you must not forget your humanity.

    Jesus once said "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."
    Sadly, we're 2000 years later and many still don't get it.

  435. Ali says:

    I would say the same to you, but your ammi is down the local sluut house doing her ruundi job, whilst your abba,…….well, you don't even know who he is as you have a choice of 500 men to choose from. Teri maa was open 24/7 so couldn't keep track of which tramp impregnanted her and your sorry a@@ was born.

    Oh well, life must go one even for haraami's like you.

    Not pleaseant for you is it being a Dalit and all that.

    Don't worry, I will pray for your salvation, even though you won't get it, dik sucker! 😀

  436. Ali says:

    I would say the same to you, but your ammi is down the local sluut house doing her ruundi job, whilst your abba,…….well you don't even know who he is as you have a choice of 500 men to choose from. Teri maa was open 24/7 so couldn't keep track of which tramp impregnanted her and your sorry a@@ was born.

    Oh well, life must go one even for haraami's like you.

    Not pleaseant for you is it being a Dalit and all that.

    Don't worry, I will pray for your salvation, even though you won't get it, dik sucker!

  437. Ali says:

    So you've returned after giving your sister one in the barn Raj the Dalit.

    I told you, I could read haraami's like you like a book.

    What next, going to fist fcuk your mum and pi@@ in your beti's mouth? Good boy, keep it up. That way, you can 'kill 2 birds with one stone'.

    Just let me know when you want some 'gora' to come over and dush out your females. I'll send a couple of my mates over who really know how to deal with dirty nasty Hindu's like your family members.

    They'll even video tape it and put it on the net for all your village pervs to see.

    Moving onto the Arabs, they are ready to pay top whack for your nasty family members. They'll even throw in toothpaste with the 1 rupee nightly rate that you guys charge. Pimping ain't easy, but someone has to do it. And who better than you, for your maa, biwi, beti aur behn.

    I'll even commission a new movie for the sluuts in your house. Forget Roti, Kapraa Aur Makaan, we'll call it Maa, Biwi, Beti, Behn, Puudi Maar in the Makaan! And you could be lead actor, fcucking all of them together and one by one.

    Otherwise, ask Durga if she wants a starring role?

    How about it Dalit? You sure could do with the money. It'll help you get a few solid meals in for the week and some soap and water!

    Nasty tramp.

    😀

  438. Raj_Humanity says:

    You Dalit Muslim – are you talking about the treatment you are meted out to by your Arab masters? About how you sold your six months daughter to an 85 year old Arab Sheikh? And how in return he gave a free bang to your wife? Did you forget you yourself had helped direct the person's flaccid tool into your six month daughter's puddi? How you had tied a twig to that fellow's tool to give it a semblance of a straight erect tool?

    Did you forget how the Arab sheikh had thighed your six month old daughter the way Mohammad thighed the small Aisha?

    You people oblige your Arab masters – by licking their feet and their @$$eS and that too when they are at their filthiest best. Know what I mean.

    But of course, you cannot be faulted. Mohammad had made the Arabs superior to you. You people are given immediate jannat if you spare your daughters and sisters for entertaining these Arabs. These Arab masters in turn give a beautiful gift to your daugthers and sisters — make them pregnant – which you Dalit Muslims are unable to.

    These Arab emirs/sheikhs fart into the awra of your females and the likes of you are born – all GAS called JINNS. Your Arab masters have not called you jinns for nothing.

    Your Arab masters oblige you and patronise you people a great deal. No doubt your females prefer your Arab masters and beat you with slippers whenever you try to touch your own females. Your Arab masters reward your females handsomely with money and ensure that filth like you do not go food hungry! And whenever you protest – your Arab masters show you your place by placing their drill into your a$$. A big brotherhood indeed. The gay brotherhood of Muslims – where you are the sex slave and the Arab your sex master.

    So did your Arab master gave teri ma di puudi a glimpse of jannat today?
    Tere Arab master ka lund aur tera gaand – made for each other.

    You filthy slave of the dirty Arab. Go and raise your butt. His hot tool is ready to drill you.

  439. denialisnoproof says:

    your abba can [email protected] your ammi till the 6 hours after her death
    after all he is following muhammd's sunna

  440. Ali says:

    Filth like you only understand filth. Therefore we must oblige.

    Why complain? You are only getting the Golden Rule treatment which you live by.

    What's wrong, couldn't get to fcuk your grandmother and mother at the same time today? Don't worry, you sis is waiting in the barn getting ready whilst gobbling the horse.

    Go on, come back later after you have given her a Dalit treatment. I'll be waiting to give you more 'teri maa di puudi' verses!

    😀

    Untouchable lunn!

  441. Ali says:

    Is that it?

    I was expecting some nude photos of your mum and sis with horse coks in their mouths! Or least the elephant trunk from your god Ganesha in their gobs, whilst you was schagging them.

    We are waiting.

  442. Raj_Humanity says:

    You are still having the goo filled tool of Mohammad in your mouth. Every other sentence of yours carries schit and dung. Now take the tool out of your mouth and gargle clean your mouth with some acid. Your mouth will become clean.

  443. denialisnoproof says:

    hahahahaha
    allah the pimp
    said it is ok for your father to fcuck your wife
    just like your mo gandu fcucked his daughter in law zainab

    ask your muhammad to take off his dirty rotten 53 yr old kock out of a nine year old girl's pusssy

  444. denialisnoproof says:

    you allah pimp worshippers and muhammad child rapist followers
    please look at this
    your father can [email protected] your mother upto 6 hours of your mother's death according to islam http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/E

    will your father [email protected] your dead mother?

  445. Ali says:

    Is that it?

    Come on mate, I know you've not been blessed with even the lowest of intellect, but hey.

    Next you'll be saying that Amitabh Bachan is also Muslim hiding under the Hindu banner.

    At least come up with something that is even remotely believable as far fetched as it may be.

    With the amount of experience you idol worshippers have in mythology, believing King Kong was your god, I expected better than that from a retard like you.

    You are letting the Hindu pagan brethren down with your current standards! 😀

  446. denialisnoproof says:

    islamic dog http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000065

    see this and many prostitutes you mentioned are muslim chicks they take hindu name so that their mullahs don;t come hunting them

  447. Ali says:

    You trying to talk again dung worshipper?

    I told you before, it must really suck being you.

    Humans and you? (Pi@@ing myself laughing at the sheer audacity).

    You mean vile creatures, which no doubt the likes of you are. Barrel bottom scraping enemies of civilization. Even your own people class you as untouchables (Dalits), so what hope have you got with anyone else?

    At least with Islam, you can be an equal. Come to Islam you dung sniffing retard. 😀

    …………………………….On second thoughts, no thanks, stay where you are Dalit.

  448. Ali says:

    You back again dung worshipper Raj?

    At least try and makes sense with what you say, so at least you can understand your own logic even though every other person on earth can't.

    I can't say you don't try, but then so do jacka@@es.

    I do wonder if ever you actually understand what you actually say, or is it something you learn at the dung worshipping gatherings?

    Stick to the rickshaw driving as talking coherently and making sense is a skill set that you still have to learn. Maybe going back to school would be the best option given the circumstances. But then again, school cannot fix natural stupidity!

    😉

  449. Raj_Humanity says:

    // Now where were we……………… //

    To remind you ….. You are rotting in the hate filled Islamic world/hell. And we humans are on earth loving mankind. Even after our offering you countless times our hands to pull you out of Islam(hell) – you are rejecting.

  450. Raj_Humanity says:

    Abu Bakr's crocodile tears to fool the Muslims into. Egoists are concerned about their image.

    Muslims following Abu Bakr ( and now the mullahs and imams and sheikhs ) – true tears but misplaced emotion's for a wrong faith..

  451. Raj_Humanity says:

    Abu Bakr's crocodile tears to fool the Muslim.
    Muslims following Abu Bakr – misplaced emotion's tears for a wrong faith..

  452. Ali says:

    @ABC. On what basis would you be giving assurances on behalf of your government in the first place? Exactly what Ministerial Portfolio do you hold?

    And secondly, please share with us this 'article', so we can determine the authenticity of this so called threat and it's independence.

    If you are so determined to show your appreciation of Ali Sina's courage and enterprise, then why are you not standing shoulder to shoulder with him in his neck of the woods in Canada? And since you are one of his advocates, be prepared to get a dressing down on this hate mongering site each time you spew your venom, you enemy of civilization.

    Now where were we………………

  453. Ali says:

    If EDL are not racist, then you must still be a Muslim Ali Sina.

    Everyone in the UK knows that the EDL are a far right wing football hooligan and pub racist formed movement. The only reason you are saying what you are is because they are full fledged members of the Presidents Council for SION.

    Are you finally going to show your self Om Puri on the 11 September planned Sion conference in New York or is it via telephone link?

    Either way, your turnout will only be double figures.

  454. Ali says:

    Give us this proven fact about Islam being Satanic then dajjal.

    After you have done your little bit of exposing the lies of Islam, then what?

    Islam is a lie and a Satanic submitter religion. Now what?

    Is there anything else you have left to say and do?

    Once you have completed your task, let me know, after which I will rub the salt into your wounds and torture you with Truth.

  455. Ali Sina says:

    EDL is not racist. They have Sikh and Jewish members. They will even embrace ex-Muslims. There is nothing racist about them. They have rejected the support of BNF because of the latter’s racism.

  456. aminriadh says:

    " I receive countless emails of complaints from Indian citizens who say their politicians bend over backwards for Muslims vote bank."

    That is . . . of Hindus hating on Muslims. And nothing more. Hindus too have their extremists – that would lap up any anti-Muslim propaganda. Many are successful members of all parts of Indian society.

    From the film Industry to the Army. From prostitution to politician. . .

    – – –

    Wilders simply played on fears of common Dutch. Already he is on his way out.

    Just like the British BNP. A bit of noise and it all fell apart.

    And interesting thing to note is – under the guise of being anti-Muslim – Sina too started to show his support for Racist groups such as EDL.

  457. Ali Sina says:

    Dear ABC,

    I know all about the dhimmi attitude of Indian politicians. I receive countless emails of complaints from Indian citizens who say their politicians bend over backwards for Muslims vote bank. Mu question is why. Why should the politicians bend over backwards of Muslims’ vote when over 80% of Indians are not Muslim? The answer is because the non-Muslims do not act. if they voted only for those who stand up against Islam and boycotted those who are submissive to Muslims you will see that all the politicians suddenly become pro India and anti Islam. You elect these people and you can change them. The way to do it is to raise the awareness and start a movement, much like the one Geert Wilders started in Netherlands.

    You don’t need the majority to come to power. you need 3% of very dedicated activists to take over the government.

  458. aminriadh says:

    See . . . another one that bites the dust. Just bit of brandishing the stick – then that is it.

    I don't care a hoot . . . whether this person goes to er . . . sleep or not. So why the "good night". . . I don't get it.

  459. XYZ says:

    "And here was no holocaust of Hindus – ever. "

    OH YEAH? pointless to talk to a murderer regarding admission of his guilt.
    but ur right on one count , i do have something useful to right now than talk to you ……… that is to sleep.
    good night.

  460. aminriadh says:

    "People like you really have nothing better to do with your time."

    There has never been any threat to Sina. Supposed or otherwise. This is a common game such people play.

    – – –

    "four million kashmiri pandits are living like refugees and the government is deaf mute and umb. "

    An absolute lie . . . my family is from that region – The govt. does NOTHING but help the Hindu pandits.

    – – –

    "90 million hinuds were killed in an unquanitfied holocaust by muslim invaders for past 1000 years and indian goevernment has ears and sight only for gujrat riots. "

    Yet the Government of that time WAS implicated for the killings. And here was no holocaust of Hindus – ever.

  461. ABC says:

    dear dr sina,
    i just read ur article on supposed threat to ur life from india.
    im sorry on behalf of our government. this government fails to protect its own people. how can it react for a foriegner?
    few years ago few indian soldiers were kileld by bangladeshies in the most despicable way possible. the indian government uttered NOT A WORD. four million kashmiri pandits are living like refugees and the government is deaf mute and umb.
    90 million hinuds were killed in an unquanitfied holocaust by muslim invaders for past 1000 years and indian goevernment has ears and sight only for gujrat riots.
    what assurance can i give you on behalf of my government? none im afraid.
    what i can do is register my sincere appreciation for ur courage and enterprise.
    thanks and good day.

  462. aminriadh says:

    In other words Demsci . . . Europe – the worlds most bloodthirsty race stopped its killings and fighting.

    Mind you the bastard child – USA is doing a fine job. . . .

  463. aminriadh says:

    "Can you tell How and why consumption of pork, Cigarette, wine increasing? Why number rape , murdering, looting case increasing. "

    This is an illogical attempt . . . where are your sources? evidence?

  464. aminriadh says:

    "Islam being a satanic submitter religion is a fact, your allah/muhammad posses satanic attributes, this can be proved from the islamic sources itself."

    Prove it then? I have already asked that . . . . what did you do? Resort to petty insults and some meaningless rhetoric – and then ran off.

    – – –

    "You say I can do NOTHING. Well I am doing my bit in exposing the lies of Islam. "

    What lies . . . dear . . . all you are doing is highlighting how inadequate you are of a debate. Hence you ran off . . . when I challenged you garbage. This simply makes you a bit of "joke".

    I mean – don't you imagine yourself to be far more intelligent than me . . . . then why is it that all you can do is few lines. And then have the stupidity to imagine that somehow this is exposing Islam?

    Really? I mean there is . . . . come on. Surely you can do better!

  465. Ali says:

    @Demsci. Using the reasons you have cited, Islam will grow further then, as healthcare and science are also developing and will do so, thus further decreasing the mortality rates. Additionally, Islam is growing in the 'West' at an alarming rate and this is not due to healthcare or lack of birth control techniques or inherent Muslims

    Why would the size of Islam worry you more than the size of any other Belief system ranging from Theists to Atheists? With history as our measuring yard stick, wouldn't it be the very system you are prescribing to which is championed by Atheism be the most dangerous? Atheism, being a minority has killed more than any religious based system. This is also backed up with numbers. We should be more worried by Atheism, than any other system out there. This is the real danger as there is no morality code here with Atheism. In the eyes of Atheism, everything is acceptable and doable.

    As far as world populations are concerned, the following list should be taken into account:

    World population (millions)
    #Top ten most populous countries199020082025
    1China 1,1411,3331,458
    2India 8491,1401,398
    3United States 250304 352
    4Indonesia 178228 273
    5Brazil 150192 223
    6Pakistan 108166 226
    7Bangladesh 116160 198
    8Nigeria 94151 208
    9Russia 148142 137
    10Japan 124128 126

    Exactly how much of them are Muslim?

    The top 3 are not Muslim and have a minority Muslim population, but Islam is still growing.

    Coitus interruptus, an older form of birth control, was a known practice at the time of Mohammed, and his companions engaged in it. Mohammed knew about this, but did not prohibit it. Umar and Ali, the second and fourth of the caliphs, respectively, defended the practice.

    Muslims scholars have extended the example of coitus interruptus, by analogy, to declaring permissible other forms of contraception, subject to three conditions:

    As offspring are the right of both the husband and the wife, the birth control method should be used with both parties' consent.

    The method should not cause permanent sterility.

    The method should not otherwise harm the body.

    Therefore the argument that Muslims have no birth control thus the population growth is also false.

    Even with estimated forecasts, the world's population by 2030 will be at least 25% Muslim. This means that Islam will grow albeit at a slower rate than the last one hundred years. And this is where you and the likes of Ali Sina get into a pickle. If the world's total population is 25% Muslim, then there is no way you will ever be able to defeat it or eradicate it as you guys foolishly believe, and if it is only 25% of the world's population, then it is not a majority, so the fear mongering has no justification, which you guys currently promote. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for people against Islam. Islam is here to stay and will stay.

    Get over it.

  466. dajjal says:

    ali, Islam being a satanic submitter religion is a fact, your allah/muhammad posses satanic attributes, this can be proved from the islamic sources itself. I am not against Muslims, they are victims of an ideology called islam.
    You say I can do NOTHING. Well I am doing my bit in exposing the lies of Islam.

  467. Demsci says:

    I can respond to that question, Ali. But indeed your figures do look very impressive! We should not deny the power and appeal of Islam, that would indeed be a mistake.

    But it's very size worries us, much more than, say, the size of the Mormons, or Scientologists, would worry is. These may or may not have world-supremacy-doctrines, but they are negligibly small.

    But I can say that the whole worldpopulation also did grow, in the period you mentioned, from # 1 billion to 7 billion. And I will say that in the 19th and 20th century medicines and healthcare, invented in and originating from the West did make it possible for mankind, and thus also Islam, to die too young much less and grow so fast.

    Also I like to point out, that due to lower deathrates in countries, and higher education-systems, higher literacy and prosperity, eventually birthrates also go down in the same countries.

    This happened in Western countries since the seventies, and quite dramatically, but it now also seems to be happening in the Islamic and many other countries.

    According to the book MegaChanges 2050, edited by the Economist, it is estimated that worldpopulation will finally top off at 9 to 10 billion in 2050 and then it will stay the same or decline. According to the book Islam will continue to grow, because, it says, religion is mostly inherited, until it reaches about 28-30 % of world-population.

    But one can hope that good education and high literacy and the best principles of Democracy (best principles, leading to a good life for the most people) grow even faster.

    And that most Muslims, somehow, will willingly fit into that Democratic system. Leaving only a few truly Islamic societies, who are relatively powerless and peaceful and who can then try to show how the merits of Islam benefit a whole country.

    While according to the UN it now is democracy that seems to be the best working, or the least worst, system for providing the most people with a "good life".

  468. ali says:

    @Prophet. Answer the question with an answer and not a question please.

    You've just used the tu quoque fallacy. You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser – you answered criticism with criticism. This fallacy is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off the accused having to defend themselves and shifts the focus back onto the accuser themselves.

    The implication is that if one's opponent also does the thing that they are accused of, then their opponent is a hypocrite. Irrespective of whether this might be true or not, the problem lies in the fact that it is effectively a tactic to avoid recognising and responding to the criticism of one's argument – by turning it back on the accuser, the accused doesn't need to answer the accusation.

    Therefore answer the question please.

  469. Prophet says:

    ____________how and why did Islam grow from 200 million to 1.57 billion from 1900-2009________________
    Can you tell How and why consumption of pork, Cigarette, wine increasing? Why number rape , murdering, looting case increasing.

  470. ali says:

    @Ali Sina. So, exactly what does Abu Bakr crying when reciting the verses mean? Bearing in mind Muslims the world over also cry when they recite some verses of the Quran. I wonder what choices these Muslims are contemplating?

    This should be entertaining.

  471. ali says:

    Of course you are not bothered about Sina's views, dajjal. That's why you use him as your scholarly master.

    On a separate note, how and why did Islam grow from 200 million to 1.57 billion from 1900-2009?

  472. ali says:

    Which part of India you from dajjal?

    OK. Let's agree with you that Islam is a satanic submitter religion. AND WHAT?

    Exactly what are you going to do about it or what can you do about it. NOTHING!

    Anything else you want to answers to?

  473. dajjal says:

    Instead of playing with words please answer to the subject under discussion. In mecca he made his allah say a few benign verses which the meccans lgnored and laughed at, they had their own god/s and were not interested in muhammad / jibreel / allah cocktail, so they had all the right to resist evil muhammad. What i say is Muhammad the false prophet was indulging in BIGOTRY.

  474. aminriadh says:

    "What I putting across is that muhammad was intolerant to others faith and when resisted he played victim. I am not bothered about Sina's views."

    That was – what the comment was about . . . . and whatever you put across – comes with less value than zero. Such small comments as yours are meaningless.

    i have already sounded you out . . . all you are going to do is make such disparaging remarks.

    Anything more strenuous . . . seems beyond you.

  475. dajjal says:

    What I putting across is that muhammad was intolerant to others faith and when resisted he played victim. I am not bothered about Sina's views.

  476. aminriadh says:

    Wow – the intelligence comes out to answer. Did you read the above . . . and spot the contradiction? I doubt it.

    – – –

    "this was unusual for the fellow meccans and obviously many laughed at him"

    Actually – this too is not what Sina claims.

  477. aminriadh says:

    Page 236:

    "Ibn Ka’b says he was a devout believer and had accompanied Muhammad on all his raids and that thanks to the proceeds of those wars he had become a wealthy person."

    This is another dishonesty of Sina . . . how is it that Ibn Ka'b became wealthy from Wars or Raids? – how many were there and how much did he he acquire?

    Sina makes quite a few such falsifications – his book is littered and hence dishonest. Its premise is dishonest and so is the content.

  478. dajjal says:

    The Meccans were polytheist believing in their own god /s, muhammad then claimed about getting revelations from this jibreel / allah something, this was unusual for the fellow meccans and obviously many laughed at him. If Muhammad had kept his nonsense to himself there would not have been trouble for himself nor his mafia. The problem was that he was forcing his allah on others and when vehemently resisted it is perceived as persecution.

  479. aminriadh says:

    Pg 81. . .

    "Now, Abu Bakr was left with the options: Leaving Muhammad, for whom he had made so many sacrifices, denouncing him, calling him a liar and going back to his people, acknowledging he had been a fool; or doing whatever Muhammad asked of him. This is often the difficult choice
    cultists must make. Abu Bakr even built a mosque in the backyard of his house for Muslims to pray. He would often cry when reciting Muhammad’s allegedly revealed verses."

    What Sina tries to built up as crisis of faith for Abu Bakr – is simply figment of his imagination. He has no sources . . . or anything. He does not back it up. . . again I refer to his methodology – and his further comments that confirmed –

    He is simply not interested in honest scholarship. . . he has already decided this is what Prophet Muhammad is . . . so he will make along such narratives.

    Its just that people have brains . . . even those who have no love of Muslims and Islam – will not come and defend this garbage. Successfully prove with several of his so-called supporters – limited to these comment sections.

  480. aminriadh says:

    Page 80

    "Why did Muhammad not take other wives when Khadijah was still alive? Because he was living off her money and in her house. Furthermore, the majority of the people of Mecca derided him. He was called a lunatic. No one would have married him even if he had had money of his own and Khadijah had not been an issue."

    The problem? Well – Sina leads the readers to believe that Muslims were NOT being persecuted in Mecca. He has even given a falsified evidence for this (see a few comment previous) . . . yet this contradicts his own previous story.

  481. aminriadh says:

    More strange phenomena from the book:

    Pg 86 – Footnote 131

    "The Qur’an can be tedious, and that is mainly why few Muslims have read it. However, at
    the risk of boring my readers, in this chapter I will have to quote several Qur’anic verses as
    evidence to support my portrait of Muhammad."

    How does Sina know that only few Muslims have read it? Where is his research or data? Not given . . . this is what I term as hate-mongering . . . rabid statements such as the above – that have no proof or evidence. . . are illogical, stereotypes, prejudice and etc.

    Sina – gives the large about being logical and scientific – ONLY when it serves his purpose. . . as I have highlighted successfully and rather easily . . . that when it doesn't – then all sense of "rationality" is forgotten. The above is case in point.

  482. aminriadh says:

    6 day wait . . . is long enough!

  483. aminriadh says:

    The extent that this book is simply siphoned from the Internet and bunged together is astounding – when compared to the rhetoric and OTT praises the author lavishes upon the self published book.

    For example:

    On Page 235

    "An intelligent person is one who is constantly thinking about and preparing for death.368"

    This apparent Hadith is quoted . . . yet rather than verifying it – Sina simply gives the web link he acquired it from.

    – – –

    Again one can predict – that he simply went hunting for Quotes of Prophet Muhammad on death . . . he chose the one he liked and included it.

    This isn't what you call scholarship. . . not by any extent of the imagination. How is someone meant to take this book seriously?

  484. aminriadh says:

    "Yeah you are good at counterfeiting like your religion, I must agree that I wont be a match to this type of Scholarship"

    If I have forged anything . . . then the simple and effective thing is to highlight it. Which you know full well you are unable to do. Hence statements like yours are expected and obvious. . . .

    . . . It is like a barking dog with no bite.

    – – –

    Hence – you show yourself up as being nothing more than a bit of a "troll".

  485. dajjal says:

    Yeah you are good at counterfeiting like your religion, I must agree that I wont be a match to this type of Scholarship, anyway keep on applying sugarcoating to your false god this wont help.

  486. aminriadh says:

    Sunbeam – do understand your own nonsense?

  487. aminriadh says:

    "So allah aka muhammad is the best of deceivers (kairul makkar) which is a satanic attribute, so we conclude, Islam is a satanic submitter religion."

    I have already established what Makkar means – now coming in here and bleating this . . . what would it achieve?

    Either come, match me in scholarship – or else pipe down a little.

  488. dajjal says:

    So allah aka muhammad is the best of deceivers (kairul makkar) which is a satanic attribute, so we conclude, Islam is a satanic submitter religion.

  489. ali says:

    continued……

    "Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same: i.e.

    Human being 65
    Soil (turab) 17
    Drop of Sperm (nutfah) 12
    Embryo ('alaq) 6
    A half formed lump of flesh (mudghah) 3
    Bone ('idham) 15
    Flesh (lahm) 12

    TOTAL 65

    The word "salawat" appear five times in the Qur'an, and Allah has commanded man to perform the prayer (salat) five times a day.

    The word "land" appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word "sea" 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%.

    Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.

    Being as proficient in Arabic as you are, you should have no problems confirming the above and then giving us all the answers on how it was done over a 23 year period during the time of ignorance, whilst going to war, raping, pillaging, looting, killing, marrying, forcing and what not.

  490. ali says:

    @Dragoste7. Whilst you are brushing up on your Pre Islamic Arabic, could you please care to explain the following giving details on exactly how it came to be and when, because you guys seem to know more about Mohammed and Islam than Muslims do.. Dates, timings and exact records would be handy backed up by evidence:

    The statement of "seven heavens" is repeated seven times. "The creation of the heavens (khalq as-samawat)" is also repeated seven times.

    "Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.

    The number of repetitions of the words "plant" and "tree" is the same: 26

    The word "payment or reward" is repeated 117 times, while the expression "forgiveness" (mughfirah), which is one of the basic morals of the Qur'an, is repeated exactly twice that amount, 234 times.

    When we count the word "Say," we find it appears 332 times. We arrive at the same figure when we count the phrase "they said."

    The number of times the words, "world" (dunya) and "hereafter" (akhira) are repeated is also the same: 115

    The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Qur'an 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).

    The word faith (iman) (without genitive) is repeated 25 times throughout the Qur'an as is also the word infidelity (kufr).

    The words "paradise" and "hell" are each repeated 77 times.

    The word "zakah" is repeated in the Qur'an 32 times and the number of repetitions of the word "blessing" (barakah) is also 32.

    The expression "the righteous" (al-abraar) is used 6 times but "the wicked" (al-fujjaar) is used half as much, i.e., 3 times.

    The number of times the words "Summer-hot" and "winter-cold" are repeated is the same: 5.

    The words "wine" (khamr) and "intoxication" (saqara) are repeated in the Qur'an the same number of times: 6

    The number of appearances of the words "mind" and "light" is the same: 49.

    The words "tongue" and "sermon" are both repeated 25 times.

    The words "benefit" and "corrupt" both appear 50 times.

    "Reward" (ajr) and "action" (fail) are both repeated 107 times.

    "Love" (al-mahabbah) and "obedience" (al-ta'ah) also appear the same number of times: 83

    The words "refuge" (maseer) and "for ever" (abadan) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 28.

    The words "disaster" (al-musibah) and "thanks" (al-shukr) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 75.

    "Sun" (shams) and "light" (nur) both appear 33 times in the Qur'an. (In counting the word "light" only the simple forms of the word were included).

    The number of appearances of "right guidance" (al-huda) and "mercy" (al-rahma) is the same: 79

    The words "trouble" and "peace" are both repeated 13 times in the Qur'an.

    The words "man" and "woman" are also employed equally: 23 times.

    The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.

    "Treachery" (khiyanah) is repeated 16 times, while the number of repetitions of the word "foul" (khabith) is 16.

  491. aminriadh says:

    "That's the spirit I hope you do that when studying your religion too. "

    Don't attempt patronise me. . . petty and ridiculous attempt at that.

    – – –

    "like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word"

    After sometime . . . you cannot come back and start repeating the BULLSHIT . . . it doesn't work me. No matter how many smiley emoticons you add.

    Where is your evidence. . . when I asked you last time – you made excuses and left. . . when you have got no avenue to go to – you repeat this again.

    If you have any such knowledge . . . lets hear it. Else cut out the BS.

    – – –

    "I told you that I studied Arabic back to the "the era of Jahiliyyah".
    This requires years of studies and I am not going to ask you to do so. "

    No you haven't – we tested that out . . . the last time – repeating these statements wont make it true . . . and it is Bullshit.

    I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU AT ALL.

    – – –

    "Study and look it up yourself without letting others influence your search. I know you can do it. You have so much potential aminriadh.
    After you do your own search, and still want me to present miracles to you, If I'm still alive by then, I'll give you what you're looking for. "

    Balderdash . . . patronising Bullshit . . . worthless meaningless

    You are an old fraud – and you know it too.

    – – –

    This is game of "evidence" – you ain't got none. If you have . . . show your face . . .

    else . . . take a hike sonny.

  492. aminriadh says:

    John Paul II's incident what you would call "forgiveness". In such media light – there is nothing else he could have done.

    Where is his "forgiveness" over the Church and Hitler issue . . . after all he was once a Hitler youth himself.

    – – –

    "I don't imagine Mohammad or anyone who takes Mohammad as a role model is capable of forgiving a person who tried to assassinate him. "

    This is just your own prejudice playing out . . . as you HAVE to imagine that others who are NOT the same faith as you . . . are somehow less capable human beings . . . why is that? I mean is that what Christianity is about? When it suits you roll out the mantra . . . when it doesn't . . . turn up the hate.

    – – –

    "The killings that are going on in Syria are self-defense? Syrians against Syrians murdering each others, both sides saying "Allah Akbar" when killing. The women that were raped by both sides when captured, is this self-defense? (the prophet took women as booty so we both can see why they rape with such cold blood) "

    What is this example . . . exactly of?

    – – –

    "If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did. "

    You deception at its best . . . you wish to nuke Muslim countries – but when you attach the reasoning to Muslims – it is of course, wrong. But when it comes from you – its right.

    Call me stupid on all counts . . . but even I am not that stupid.

  493. ali says:

    @Joker Life. So who are Pakistanis and Indonesians patriotic to? Religion or Country? Which one comes first for them?

    And which part of India do you come from? By God, don't you guys ever get enough!

  494. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You are stupid enough void reality check about rational violence and dealing with situation !

    Raising questions are again quite lazy thing ! let me try same
    Why didn't and don't America follow Jesus (your manipulated version) and forgive killers? So Americans are following rational violence not Jesus (your manipulated version). Oh good christian there can't be such thing !

    Islam didn't blind you It help you to keep check with reality and situation. I am sure you will be dead in those situation or else you will accept truth about how to deal !

    So far anti-Islamist don't even understand style of language of belief and how it help to boost confidence in omnipotent almighty in complex situations. Way to go stupids way to go find truth !

  495. Joker Life says:

    If you are right, spread your thoughts with other muslims. At least it would be cleared that Ali Sina is running site and not westerns.

  496. Dragoste7 says:

    Out of all that I said, you only picked a point where you think you're "on to something" and neglected more important/dangerous claims. Even though the answer is obvious and I answered this before, I'll say it again.

    Self-defense is not wrong. This shooter why is he trying to kill me? If I have done something to him like killing his family then I also brought this to myself. If I have done nothing to him and he's killing just to kill why wouldn't I stop him. I am a good shooter myself but if I have to shoot someone that would be in a situation that I have no other choice and I pray while shooting for God to save the one I'm shooting.

    But it is wrong to use "Self-defense" to Justify wars and killings against others. True forgiveness comes when you are in a position of power. Learn what forgiveness is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_as
    I don't imagine Mohammad or anyone who takes Mohammad as a role model is capable of forgiving a person who tried to assassinate him.
    Can't you see the difference? Mohammad killed with (and without) the excuse of self-defense and when "doubting" someone while Jesus or a good Christian like Pope JPII forgave killers (actual killers not people they "doubted" were plotting something).

    The killings that are going on in Syria are self-defense? Syrians against Syrians murdering each others, both sides saying "Allah Akbar" when killing. The women that were raped by both sides when captured, is this self-defense? (the prophet took women as booty so we both can see why they rape with such cold blood)

    If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did.

    Don't let Islam blind you from differentiating between good and evil.

  497. Dragoste7 says:

    aminriadh,

    Sorry for the late reply, like I said I was travelling and still are so I might be away. But I want to congratulate you for presenting a good argument and not believing what others tell you. That's the spirit 😀 I hope you do that when studying your religion too.

    We may keep arguing about the meaning of مكر forever, like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word (what the prophet really meant since it was his language before Islam influenced Arabic) and that's what I meant when I told you that I studied Arabic back to the "the era of Jahiliyyah".
    This requires years of studies and I am not going to ask you to do so.
    There is something easier you can do. I claimed many things in our arguments before such as "Miracles", you called that bullsh*t without even investigating. Funny someone who follows a religion that believes in Jinn (that no one ever saw) would call Miracles (that happen every day- documented and medically/scientifically studied) "Bullsh*t".
    For the moment, I won't present to you any Miracle. Study and look it up yourself without letting others influence your search. I know you can do it. You have so much potential aminriadh.
    After you do your own search, and still want me to present miracles to you, If I'm still alive by then, I'll give you what you're looking for.

    If it's not too much, I want to ask one more thing of you and your brothers. Please pray for our Syrian bothers/sisters. When we give prayers to do good for others, We'll be praying for the same God.

  498. Joker Life says:

    The Muslims are ungrateful and unpatriotic. Given a choice – they will choose religion over their country.
    – this is proved by zakir naik, you can search video on youtube.

  499. Joker Life says:

    Other than Mohammad, donkey was the only one who met allah.

  500. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Jesus will come back as Muslim and first thing he will destroy all cross and Christianity.

  501. ali says:

    Which Bible you reading?

    Explain this please for starters:

    2 Kings 24:8 says “Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.”

    2 Chronicles 36:9 says “Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem…”

  502. ali says:

    So why did Jesus come 2000 odd years ago and not at the beginning or at the end giving a fair crack at the whip to everyone?

    Exactly what will happen to the the people who were here before Jesus came and never got the chance to hear his message or see him for hundreds and thousands of years earlier. How do they achieve Salvation through Jesus? Just a thought.

  503. Vijay says:

    In revelations we read, which is, which was and which is to come. Lord God sent Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

  504. Sunbeam says:

    We shall take heed. As Jesus was ascending to heaven, the angels who were with him told His disciples who were gazing up the sky that this same Jesus would come back in like manner as he'd been taken up to heaven. And before he breathe His last breath after His crucifixion, He declared it is finish. The plan of Salvation is being laid. The cross is the way to heaven, the only atonement for the sins of the world. He'd commanded us to read the Scripture for it is which that testify of Him. He had also declared that He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega. How then comes another new commandment after this? Who had sow the tare. And out comes wild grapes.

  505. Sunbeam says:

    The Bible and the Koran are two separate books. One contains the Word of God, while the other is a Counterfeit one, distorting the word of God, setting itself up as God because it wanted to be like God even from the beginning (read revelation). He is also known as Father of all lies or the great Deceiver bringing men to perdition. Since he cannot foil the plan of Salvation, his rage was to wage war upon the seeds of the Woman. Woman as we know in Bible represents the Church or the people of God. That is why we see this spiritual warfare battling so fiercely for supremacy because he knows his time is short. God's command is to bring the gospel of love to all the inhabitants of the earth and all nations and the end shall come.

  506. ali says:

    Here in the West, you don't even have to say Talak 3 times. The non Muslims just go and schag without marriage, so need for Talak 3 times. Just get up and go in the morning!

  507. SON OF MUHAMMAD says:

    SIR, YOU ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH. YOU SHOULD TRAVEL AND READ MORE BEFORE YOU COME TO YOUR CONCLUTION.
    HERE IN MALAYSIA THE MUSLIMS CAN DIVORCE INSTANTLY BY JUST SAYING "I DIVORCE YOU BY TALAK 3" EVEN BY USING PHONE SMS.

  508. aminriadh says:

    Sina was going to test me out – whether I had read his book or not . . . even on this petty and trifling matter . . . he couldn't show his face. I think I have waited long enough to either receive his invitation – or for him to accept mine.

    So when he claims . . . that Muslims don't read his book and lie about it . . . well I have tested that out . . . . it he HE who lies about it.

    After all – according to his own words – he would have had to apologize to me . . . well we couldn't have that!

    Then there are OTHER ridiculous lies of his . . . they are extremely childish. Why does he need to get involved in them? For example I sent him a book request – he didn't send the book – when I made noise about it – he said I had never asked for it . . . when I plainly had.

    Why?

  509. aminriadh says:

    You are right . . . that is what I intend do . . . just recovering from a bout of illness. Watch this space . . . see how that book is unraveled.

  510. ali says:

    @Ali Sina. Like you didn't already know they were porn stars. Who you kidding?

    With the amount of copy and pasting you do from other websites, porn sites is second nature to you.

    And secondly, being non religious, it shouldn't impact on you should it, as no law or morality code says you shouldn't watch porn in your way of life. You've got nothing to lose when you do watch it, which no doubt you do, it's us theists that are the sinners and will be doomed and not you.

    😉

    'Ali Sina and no porn'. That's another one for the books! LOL.

  511. Ali Sina says:

    “Just like Sunny Leone, Priya Rai, Angela Devi, Charmaine Sinclair, Nadia Nyce, Maya Bazin, Rasheen Kerim-Koram, Anjali Kara, Ariana Mistry, Destiny Deville, Leah Jaye, Peggy Sue, Samantha Shamal, Sahara Knite, Jazmin and Tiffany Taylor.”

    I did a search and found out these are all port stars. I must say you have quite an impressive knowledge of the porn world. Are you sure you are in the right site? Maybe you should go to where you can put your vast knowledge to some good use. I really don’t think you belong to this site. But of-course you may need to distract yourself for a while until your recover, after each masturbation.

    So you alternate between porn sites and my site. In porn sites you release your sexual tension and in my site you release your hate.

    There is more to life that releasing tension. But if you haven’t learned how to live by now, it is hard to start at this age.

  512. ali says:

    Yep and she bangs good. Some dude was giving it to her real good. I've added her to the favourites.

    Just like Sunny Leone, Priya Rai, Angela Devi, Charmaine Sinclair, Nadia Nyce, Maya Bazin, Rasheen Kerim-Koram, Anjali Kara, Ariana Mistry, Destiny Deville, Leah Jaye, Peggy Sue, Samantha Shamal, Sahara Knite, Jazmin and Tiffany Taylor.

    I'd bang the lot of them all at the same time and then one by one and then altogether again and still ask for seconds! And I'd use the Kama Sutra to get into some really fked up impossible positions.

    You are in the wrong job mate. You need to stop serving tea and start your own Desi Porn Promotion company!

  513. ali says:

    If you are a man, then a Taxi Driver, and that's after you sneaked in via the container in back of lorry route? You worked your way up from dishwasher, to butcher, to barber and now the taxi driver.

    Is that right eternity?

    Or did you marry a local bird and come in as a wedded husband, but still hit the taxi driver golden job.

    Cannot see you being anything else because judging by your comments, you have literally word for word spewed out exactly what every other Hindu on here who worships Ali Sina has spewed out. Can't see you being a Doctor, Lawyer or Bollywood actor.

    You have no measuring yardstick for humanity, and if you do, show us exactly what it is and by whom was it given.

    You pagans and idol worshippers are the enemies of civilization and thus must be treated in a manner which befits your folly.

    We are actually doing you guys the favour for even entertaining your views and comments. A teaboy does not hold the same power, respect or responsibility as the CEO of a company. And that is exactly what you Hindus similitude is. Tea boys!

    The man made gods that you worship were perverts and sickos. As a matter of fact exactly how can a human with an elephants head help you? Please tell us the secret. Or a dik (Shiv Lingham). Or some biatch with 6 arms? Come on, enlighten us with your BS on exactly how many gods you HIndus do have and why do they spend all their time fking each other?

    Isn't that the case, who fks who and whose dik is bigger than the others or whose b-o-o-b-s are bigger than the others. Exactly which one of your gods is the head honcho and top dog? You have so many that each one claims to be the boss. No wonder you guys are lost and will believe any story some prik makes up. You guys are used to myths.

    Exactly how many Gods do you Hindus believe there are? Please enlighten us.

    Furthermore, exactly how many blokes can Durga jerk off at the same time with all her arms? Now that would be something worth paying for!

    Imagine all your female gods in a gang-bang porn production. Bliss. You see, the more you delve into it, the more ridiculous Hinduism becomes. It's nothing but porn, like your Kama Sutra.

    Pervs

    😉

  514. denialisnoproof says:

    Hey dude did you search for zarina masood?

  515. ali says:

    Only 10-14% of the population in India is Muslim dimwit? So it is obvious the problems you Hindus face are of your own doing. You are the majority! Do you even understand what majority means?

    Do not mention isolated recent events and blame the Muslims. Look at historical events and then work them out in context and perspective. This is the problem with you a@@wipes. Just like your Guru Sina, you try to impress with home made BS assertions hoping everyone is as dimwitted and stupid as you guys who will lap it up like a rabid dog. Unfortunately for you, the majority of humans are normal and can work out 2+2=4 and not 7.3 as you guys would wish it to be.

    And as far as ghetto is concerned, my toilet is bigger than your whole house……..I mean your mud hut. No matter which way you look at it, you will always be inferior to us.

    And no, you guys don't kiss vagina, you kiss dik (shiv lingham) and a-s-s ( Ali Sina's). So in all fairness, we'd much rather kiss vagina, than suck dik and kiss a-s-s some blokes. 😀

    I'm not saying it, you said it yourself. What a retard!

    Stick to serving the tea mate, stick to serving the tea, as this discussion is way above your pay grade.

  516. deniaisnoproof says:

    We don't kiss vagina like perverts. lolz
    You must also be knowing that muhammad was born long after his father's death hahaha
    which islamic ghetto you live in England?lolz
    I am talking about muzlees of india . They are parasites to our society . They destroy indian properties for the sake of bangladesi muslims
    btw did you check zarina masood.We work and earn money . you suck sheik chocobars and earn money that is the difference

  517. eternity says:

    oh and by the way i am settled in the west. is there even a point in telling u which profession i belong to?

  518. eternity says:

    god will even regard an athiest who spreads peace and tranquility as his messenger.
    sorry but what muhammad did was exact opposite.

    lastly u must agree if ur a decent human……… everyone no matter what his /her faith is , deserves to live with dignity and respect. ur faith must be the best in ur eyes, but it is then ur business only. u cannot force the world into believeing ur view. if u denigrate mine , i have the right to denigrate urs.

    ur answers to these will tell more about the kind of person u are.
    lastly yes english is my adoptive language but if u denigrate me for my typos ….. it just shows ur own mindset. r u muslim? to me u sound more like a nazi.
    if ur not then rather than reacting insultingly and violently …….. give me the proof that even after being a muslim, ur a decent person. where is it?

  519. eternity says:

    do u believe osama is a prophet of god by the virtue of his being muslim?
    how do u reflect on his actions? do you think they wre fine?
    ur answer will be found in the answers of these questions themselves.

    the thing is i dont care if one is a hindu, muslim, christian, athiest ………. if one is a decent human being.

    if one is a dcent human being ( now u wud ask me to elaborate on being a decent human, i request u ask urself what that is……. the definition and criterion may differ from person to person ) but in my opinion if one does not intentionally hurt anyone of any faith, observes humanitarian rules and common societal rules ( not islamic sharia rules which are by far nto humane ) is a law abiding citizen and respects those less fortunate or less mightir than himself , he qualifies mroe as being a follower of god than one who ds exact opposite.

    ie just offer worship and indulges in rape, murder, arson, murders. if god is there and he is a true god hecan tell the difference. he wont be hoodwinked into believing that since a person is merely offering prayers to him, he can get away with anything and everything.

  520. ali says:

    Of course you have enough b'stards in India. You are one of them! Ever seen your father or heard his name. Exactly which passing Jogi was it?

    If it wasn't for the Arabs giving your people work in the Middle East, you fkers would be even poorer than you already are. Forget getting one meal a week, you'd be lucky to get one meal a month. Do you have any idea how much foreign remittance comes into India from your fellow slaves from the Middle East and are you aware of how many Indian Hindu slappers that dance in clubs are fk'ed daily by the Arabs?

    And I know it is very difficult for dung sniffing schit worshippers like you to understand, but Muslims are not paki or indian. They can be anyone from anywhere. Ever heard of white British Muslims dikwad and white European Muslims and white American Muslims all born and bred from their respective countries? Of course you haven't because you just about mustard up enough money to use the internet. I'm surprised you got electric where you come from.

    It's bottom of the barrel Hindu filth retards like you who think British means Brazil. You guys are so nasty we can smell you through the computers.

    You know Apple 5 is soon coming out, so how about worshipping that as your god? You've literally worshipped everything else in this universe as your gods, so why not add more?

    It's dumb a@@es like you that make our day when we hammer you about your worship anything but claim to be Atheist belief BS.

  521. ali says:

    Your spelling alone can tell everyone you are a Hindu pretending to be Atheist XYZ. Don't you get it. 99.9% of the posters here that follow Sina are Indian Hindus. You guys hold the monopoly for stupidity and hate mongering.

    What world are you taking about? You haven't gone past the local village boundary, as it costs too much rupees and you cannot afford it.

    What humanity and what human rights? The ones you have pinched from Islam and try to dress it up as your own.

    Now, educate me. How can one be an Atheist and on the same hand be a Prophet of God? Bearing in mind Atheists don't believe in God!

    You can take all the time in the world on this one, because you sure as hell are gonna need it.

  522. answeringislamphobes says:

    i suggest you capture these responses and create a blog out of it to share the knowledge with the rest of the world, putting in a comment section will only limit the exposure.It is time to create a one source responding to all these islamphobic attacks. I started collecting responses at answeringislamphobes.wordpress.com

  523. answeringislamphobes says:

    Everything i read so far is philosophical and quite frankly not intelligent at all. you focus on your narrow minded interpretation and ignore others. Plus you assume that you know more than God himself ?
    1)“Allah taught Adam all the names", Quran didn't say "all the names of the plants and animals.” You added that part from via your own interpretation.
    Next God the creator of this earth , heaven , sky , so is he NOT capable or not of teaching adams all names ? , again names here might be angel names, might be animal names , might be wahever but i note you prefer to take what support your islamphobic interpretation though.
    This remind with the article you wrote about pedophilia in Quran where you picked a verse about DIVORCE (not even marriage) and then you argued you way to say that an Absence of menstruation means children ignoring completely the fact the absence of menstruation mentioned in the noble verse presupposes a belated puberty known as primary amenorrhea, which could, with some femals, go as far as 20 years of age, this is undeniably a peculiar condition which the Noble Quran deals with in the clearest terms. Pick whatever serve your islamphobe causes.
    The rest of verses you posted are philosophical that i rather not waste my time on, but i may if i have some free cycle. I don't get paid for being an islamist , like you get paid for being an islamphobe.

  524. Vijay says:

    agreed sir. x&sup2; should have put before only.

  525. XYZ says:

    yes an atheist can be a prophet of god as long as he champions humanity and human rights.but such concepts dotn exist in ru part of the universe do they?
    i may be born as anything but ur in no position to speculate on my belief given my username which is not real. no prizes for guessing that much but again do u even have sense! ur a muslim!
    infact i am a skeptic by faith.
    whatever my position regards religion ………… u need to get that staright ,it is none of ur bussiness. u can worship allah or a dvil for all i care ………… but do nto try to forcibly impose that draconian religion of urs on the rest of us. it may be impossible for u to comprehend, but there IS WORLD OUTSIDE OF ISLAM. AND WE RE VERY HAPPY LIVING IN IT. IT IS NOT PERFECT BUT IT IS NOT EVIL AND DRACONIAN.
    GET THAT ? NO WLEAVE US ALONE.

  526. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Lack of common sense
    x2= x&sup2; != 2x

  527. denialisnoproof says:

    you should also search for tehmeena and zarina masood
    😉

  528. denialisnoproof says:

    Ever heard of zarina masood?hahahaha
    She is also "british born". I don't know why muzzies like to call themselves british born . you are just another parasitic mullah lolzzz.
    but you didn't answer dead body sex in egypt inspired by muhammad .
    Atleast try to save your little girls from horny sheiks.
    They are too horny and produce fatwa for under age marriage . Lot of muslims from hyderabad sell their daughters to sheiks . Once they get bored they give talaq and they want to come back to India with their basta*d sons but we don't give them citizenship .
    Lot of arab born are still waiting to receive passport to india . but we don't want any bastards here.We already have enough

  529. ali says:

    @denialisnoproof. I couldn't care less about Pakistanis coming to India to get their land ploughed. Your sister-folk from India go the the Middle East, Europe, America and all over the West to get laid day in and day out. As a matter of fact, they are in demand in Amsterdam and stand in the shop windows ready for business spreading for anyone willing to pay the 50 Euros as we speak.

    Prostitution is part and parcel of your Hindu Faith as nasty and vile as your dung worshipping faith is, you still sell your women folk in the oldest profession of the world.

    Go and check out best-known red-light districts Sonagachi in Kolkata, Kamathipura in Mumbai, G. B. Road in New Delhi, Kashmiri Market in Agra, Reshampura in Gwalior and Budhwar Peth in Pune that host thousands of sex workers.

    You couldn't even produce a 'hard on' let alone a sentence in a foreign language. Wishful thinking on your part.

    What you seem to forget, I ain't Indian, Pakistani or Eastern like you illiterate barrel scraping enemies of civilizations. I am from the West, British born and bred and see smelly fkers like you daily getting their a@@es whooped.

    Ask your Priya Rai what god does she think of when she is getting banged by the pornstars? The Shiv Lingham by any chance? 😉

  530. Vijay says:

    Calculation is wrong
    x=y,
    2x=x+y

    So kindly do maths correct

  531. denialisnoproof says:

    dude dont talk like your muhammad yu can be better than him.
    Tell me why did mullahs started crying ?
    We never cried .
    Do you know muhammad had become impotent and was trying enjoy ayesha just by fondling.
    By the way your muhammad asked fathima to breast feed adults .Shall i try your sisters ?religiously hahaha
    Do you know according to islamic sharia law in egypt it is ok to have sex with dead bodies?
    you know why muhammad had it too.
    Fathima bhutto,and all mujra pakistani girls come here and get their land ploughed . I was just trying to produce a sura like quran 😀

  532. ali says:

    @lonewolf. Not in your lifetime shirt-lifter. You are the real enemies of civilization.

    I propose we bang the living daylights out of your women folk and put it on the net……………….I forgot, someone already has and it is already up on the net. Desiporn.com

    LOL, at you retards.

  533. ali says:

    @denialisnoproof. Mate, I'd do Parvati and Sita at the same time whist you was looking on, and for free. Forget the 5 crore rubbish, I'd bang your Hindu women for free and get them to do each other for free.

    You Indians are anyone's, as long as the price is right, even if it means a freebie.

    Don't be talking about other countries, just take a look at your own first. Your Indian birds are ripe for the picking, and your latest being Sunny Leone the pornstar. She currently stars in Jism 2.

  534. denialisnoproof says:

    Mr Ali you are second to your muhammad in being misogynist.
    you talk about priya rai ,why don't to you talk about nude mujra in islamic republic of pakistan?
    and rama didn't marry sita when she was 5 years old
    don't you know sheiks sleep with under age hyderabadi muslim girls in mutah marriage?
    and there is nothing called as idol worship in hinduism
    when you are meditating there is no idol ,if we thought idols were gods would we throw it in water after ganesha chatuthi?
    you are kidding the same vagina shaped stone since the time of your muhammad so please if you got guts throw it in the sea and prove that you are not idol worshoppers
    and yeah we gave full five crore to veena mallik (zayda) to strip naked
    and all you mullah bullahs started crying

  535. ali says:

    Way to go Yashodhara. An Atheist is the True Prophet of God?

    That just sums up why you Hindu idol worshippers are so intellectually stupid, blind, lost, deaf and dumb.

    And it's not Dr Ali Sina, it's Swami Ji Master Guru Nanak Krishn Ishvar Baghwan Ali Sina to the likes of you. Remember that when you next address him. Make sure you get his title right in full you a@@wipe.

  536. ali says:

    But I do understand Hindus like you though claiming to be Atheists?

    This site is rife with them!

    😀

  537. ali says:

    Don't worry Loki. You are not the first and definitely won't be the last. Like said to you before, we come across people like you dime a dozen.

    We call them enemies of civilization.

    A few little pushes and your true colours shine through brighter than the sun.

  538. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Jump here

  539. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I wonder if you don't want to waste your time and resources so why you keep replying?

    I did 3 hours extensive research on why don't you understand probability with common sense. Here is the secrete I wish to share with you !

    Before you have been conceived by your mom your dad made numerous attempts. Each attempt had equal probability out of two possible outcome. As it had to allot equal for both possible results, each one got 50% possibility. But all those attempts turn 0% before the last which turned 100% and you took birth. rest of history you know except this secrete.

    Considering all this happened before your birth and you never try to investigate logically further You failed to understand theory of probability with common sense.

    Why common sense is important ?!

    x = y

    x2 = xy

    x2 – y2 = xy – y2

    (x + y)(x – y) = y(x – y)

    x + y = y

    1 + 1 = 1

    2 = 1

  540. yashodhara says:

    dr ali sina,
    are you alright ?? i first visited ur website faith freedom , i read it , fell in love with ur wisdom and ur beautiful mind and wanted to comment but i cudnt. i cudnt see any option. then i noticed the website has only archives till 2006.
    i was very worried as we all know what the blasphemy laws in ilam are!
    we dont react wehn an MF hussain paints paintings of our nude goddesses. we dotn reac when we disparage mother virgin mary but when rushdie writes satanic verses or a tasleema nasreen writes lajjja they r on the run of their lives.
    dr sina very impressed by ur work.
    ur the true prophet of god ( even though ur an atheist ) since u value humanity above blind faith.
    love you.

  541. Loki says:

    No wonder you're an Islamoretard. 🙂

  542. Demsci says:

    "What . . by repeatedly not answering the questions I ask. . . your arguments tend to lead towards the same thing – hence I end up asking the same questions in return. You don't bother to answer."

    I did answer, but you considered my answer as "my agenda" and "repetition" and you judged them "useless, hot air" and such. Perhaps you did ask several times the same questions, so in a way I gave the same answers; my "agenda".

    a few points;

    – I like to answer you, in my own way, on issues and also by referring to relevant thoughts and the big picture.

    – With freedom of speech I mean that I feel free to respond in the way I like it, even if you discourage it. That even if I say nonsense that is still my right. Moreover, this is Ali Sina's website; you have the right to bother Ali Sina and I have the right to bother you. You have the right to then ignore me.

    Your talk about "shameless repetition" seems to me intended to discourage and devalue what I have to say. But I think "Repetition" is no shame at all, only you are free to ignore it.

    – An absolute private discussion is different from one on the internet. On the internet it is possible that others listen in. Hence it is possible to speak to but also "use" the discussion-partner to actually inform and impress "the audience".

    Moreover, I learn a lot from discussing, which I use later on. I even use negative criticisms and judgements from you to use and grow. I noticed often that you sometimes speak about "What Sina is saying, doing here" or "Ali Sina's lies and is unacademic", in response to Ali Sina himself.

    – There exists a style of communication that is called NON-VIOLENT COMMUNICATION, initiated by Marshall Rosenberg. He says that people should refrain from judging all the time and focus on what it is they like, desire or need the other person to do or stop.

    So: If I did not answer your questions, there may have been miscommunication. And you can start over and ask very specific questions and tell me what it is you like me to do. Without these continuous judgements. Because I need more clarity from you what your specific questions to me and what your specific needs are that you ask from me. It is my request to you.

    – But I already tried to explain that your apparently academic style of constantly bringing evidence, back-ups, references, is not mine. And we can agree to disagree and you can quit but I still have the right to comment on you. I put up The agreement to in future TO AGREE TO DISAGREE against your tendency to nullify almost all that is not properly referenced, backed up, which I think is absurd, too much to ask. Many of us assume the discussion-partner is a well-read, informed person, who already knows a lot about what we are talking. And who can discern much outright inaccuracy. The 21st century is a time with much information and much haste. People "twitter" a lot. They make statements without backing them up all the time.

    – I put it to you that you do not respond to "my agenda" as you call it. Not answering questions (and I asked a few too) and challenges is a mutual thing between us.

    Yes, You do quote what I say but then answer only in terms like "my agenda", "what do I care about your rules", "hot air", even "lies". It is my need that you actually address the points I bring up, not just mention, condemn and discard them.

    You did not "laugh" at me, but you did say; that I must take the consequence of being laughed at when I did say foolish things.

    It is hardly an alleged accusation when I say that you "Judge". You are a very judgemental person, towards Ali Sina and me. and any one can see that in almost every one of your comments.

    And THAT is a direct answer to your question "Why the alleged accusations. …?"
    So I do answer some of your questions/ challenges quite directly, and many more indirectly, relevantly. As good as, or I daresay better, then you answer mine.

  543. Loki says:

    You don't understand even sarcasm LOL

  544. Loki says:

    The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.

    Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
    You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.

  545. Loki says:

    I never read your pasted verses from Quran.I already maintain that everyone has access to that filth.Henmce no use wasting few kbs of space on filth here.

    The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.

    Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
    You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.

  546. Loki says:

    No I didn't talk of sequences.
    You did.You were referring to Bernoulli trials, remember?
    It's like you're talking about something which you don't know anything about and obviously making mistakes. And then pretending as if the other made it. LOL

    The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.

    Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
    You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.

  547. aminriadh says:

    There are 2 versions of this event. Also what Sina claims is of course totally false – I will post both later with translations. And discrediting this.

    As I have mentioned previously – Sina is unable to examine any references that he reads – from first hand perspective – neither does he bother to check up.

    This once AGAIN – he has copied from the Christians. . . . this is there argument!

    – – –

    Also the fallacy of cutting up an argument and twisting it to suit his own purposes – never worries him

  548. aminriadh says:

    "So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them. "

    All he had to do is . . . give few examples . . . which he fails to do.

  549. aminriadh says:

    "So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them. "

    Again . . . you keep up this

    – – –

    Sina has started to make these strange lies up . . . for example I had clearly emailed him to ask for the 4th edition book . . . yet he said I hadn't. I had point out – where in a one line email I had asked him for the BOOK!

    – – –

    Then his lie that I hadn't read his book – which he was going to prove . . . then he said – he was going to question me . . . .and if I passed this – he will apologize publicly here . .. I waited for him yesterday – all day.

    He didn't bother to respond . . . then he sent an email – saying that he will think up the questions and then invite . . .

    I was fully prepare to answer all questions . . . yet he is the one NOT responding . . .

    But he has kept up this little lie!

    – – –

    If you cannot respond properly . . . then why this pathetic drama?

  550. Ali Sina says:

    Here is the article. It is actually a book. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli

  551. Ali Sina says:

    “As I have already mentioned you haven’t – so just to reiterate here is kind of pathetic ”

    So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them.

  552. aminriadh says:

    " I see no big need of examples and backup, ALL THE TIME. "

    No – the fact is YOU NEVER DO . . . you are a waffler . . . you waffle.

    – – –

    "And I admit that may be faulty. but it is also extremely cumbersome, slowing, downright annoying, and lacking in trust in humans to be smart and honest or well-read. "

    No – darling . . . its the only way . . . that is why – whatever you say is MEANINGLESS – if you claim something – then it your job to back it up . . . else i will call your claims BOGUS. Which I do . . . the thing is it never bothers you . . . after some time – you will simply REPEAT the same agenda.

    " it is not my way or the way of most people I know or observe. "

    This is OUT AND OUT LIE . . . i am calling YOU A LIAR.

    – – –

    "So I do move on, but totally relative to the discussion, always. "

    No you don't – you repeat the ONE agenda you have – over and over.

    – – –

    "You don't have to respond to me, even if I have the right to respond to you, like Ali Sina."

    What do you mean like Ali Sina . . . no one HAS to respond . . Sina will just look WEAK – which he is. Hence WHY he resorted to personal attacks – and SOME very very strange lies.

    – – –

    "And you may consider that we speak to other readers too, however few. As, no doubt, you not just aim your words at me, or Ali Sina, but to visitors as well."

    I can assure you – WHEN talking to YOU – I am JUST talking to you.

    – – –

    See – again YOU IGNORED WHAT I ASKED FROM ABOVE – AND RAN YOU OWN LITTLE AGENDA.

    ESPECIALLY YOUR PETTY ACCUSATIONS THAT YOU LEVELED AT ME – WHICH YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN . . . HENCE THEY WERE BOGUS – AND YOU WERE CLEARLY LYING . . .

    . . . RATHER THAN ANSWERING – YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT IT IS NOT YOUR "STYLE"

    WOW! WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE.

  553. aminriadh says:

    "But I DO bother to read and think about what you say. But this is my way of answering. And BY GOD in my way I did answer relatively to what you wrote, in the most honest, you might even say, guileless, way. "

    What . . by repeatedly not answering the questions I ask. . . your arguments tend to lead towards the same thing – hence I end up asking the same questions in return. You don't bother to answer.

    – – –

    "I will also say that there is freedom of speech, and I use that, and there is nothing wrong with what I do say. "

    What the hell has "freedom of speech" got to do with anything . . . once again – you waffle on and on . . .

    I have simply said – if you are NOT going to answer anything – you find too difficult – or you are going to AIR that one agenda over and over and over . . . then dont bother to reply to me.

    It is useless and meaningless and time waste.

    – – –

    "You set up certain rules, which I was not even remotely aware of. "

    Again . . . I don't know what the hell you are talking about – what rules?

    – – – –

    "But I emphatically inform you here that I have vastly different, more relaxed rules of discussion."
    Again – what has that got to do with whatever I asked you . . . I don't bloody care about YOUR rules and whatnot.

    – – –

    You have ONE agenda – after some time – you repeatedly air that. . . I have even pointed this out before – however you shamelessly repeat it.

    Just look at how much time you spend waffling on about – rules and your memory and whatever else. . . why bother?

    – – –

    "So be it. you have the freedom to judge and laugh all you want "

    Touche . . . . when have I *laughed* at you . . . if not – why the alleged accusations . . . ?

  554. Demsci says:

    "This is just about Sina – and his work."

    Yes, but either in 1 or 2 ways; partially or totally. If it is partially, bit by bit, what you say seems highly valid, backed-up, reasoned, logical, hard to refute, although not perfect.

    But you have to admit that that is only partial and based on that you refrain from making sweeping statements about him and his work.

    And instead of asking me to refer to what you wrote, which is YOUR STYLE, but not mine, which I NEVER ask you to provide ME. Without which I think I can still carry on an honest and meaningful debate,

    can you right now answer that you only very PARTIALLY have examined, refuted and judged his work and do not make judgments and recommendations as if you studied his total work?!

    But you have not begun to scratch the surface, so to speak. To review him totally and comprehensively you are in it for a very long haul, and you almost have to write a book.

    And I doubt that it is reasonable to demand proof of agreement between Ali Sina and other writers, who I refer to as Counter-Jihadists, like Robert Spencer, David Wood, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, when this is so abundantly clear, and referenced to by themselves, and often by their opponents as well. Of course they have their differences, but how can you reasonably doubt their agreements? to me it is absurd to doubt everything for lack of back-ups, and examples, evidence. And any way, when is that ever going to be enough for you? When have you ever responded to Ali Sina in this way; Oh, Ali Sina, in this particular case you did provide enough and good enough back up, examples, evidence? I think you never did that. If you ever did it, please provide reference.

    And all this time we know that no such scrutiny is put on the originators of Islam, also mere humans, not all so scientific, logical, developed, honest, unbiassed, forthcoming with evidences and sources as one (you?) might wish. Falling back as they did, on Revelation, not Reason.

  555. Demsci says:

    "The things is – I give EXAMPLES and backup what I say. . . what do you do? You always make claims – when I challenge – you don't have an answer – you simply move on . . . you have DONE that time and time again. "

    And there you have our BIG difference, AminRiadh. I see no big need of examples and backup, ALL THE TIME. And I admit that may be faulty. but it is also extremely cumbersome, slowing, downright annoying, and lacking in trust in humans to be smart and honest or well-read. it is not my way or the way of most people I know or observe.

    So I do move on, but totally relative to the discussion, always.

    If my style is no good for you, no problem, I hope you find responders more to your liking. You don't have to respond to me, even if I have the right to respond to you, like Ali Sina. And you may consider that we speak to other readers too, however few. As, no doubt, you not just aim your words at me, or Ali Sina, but to visitors as well.

  556. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    So I should live in Pakistan and Afghanistan to understand Islam or humanity ??? lol

    Well according to you this is logical proof ! Hopeless stupid grow up and limit your hatred to improve yourself.

    Why should you have pain up in ass for what people believe or not ? Healthy mind doesn't fear laws !

  557. Demsci says:

    But I DO bother to read and think about what you say. But this is my way of answering. And BY GOD in my way I did answer relatively to what you wrote, in the most honest, you might even say, guileless, way.

    Like Ali Sina I also do and did admit to partiality on my side. I too, of course, have prejudices, prior beliefs. but I have a good memory and very often I recollect something someone else said and understand it better later on.

    What I am used to is talking, debating in such a way that both sides get to say what they want, in equal measure. No one has to convince the other. We can agree to disagree.

    Look, while I will read you again and think about what is LACKING in my ANSWERS to you, like examples, and going in depth into issues you raised, and try to remedy that,

    I will also say that there is freedom of speech, and I use that, and there is nothing wrong with what I do say. It is entirely valid what I do. At least where I come from and in the vast majority of my discussions, and those I have witnessed between others, including those on TV between accomplished politicians.

    You set up certain rules, which I was not even remotely aware of.

    But I emphatically inform you here that I have vastly different, more relaxed rules of discussion. Vastly less dependent on showing examples, backing statements up. Vastly more about agreeing to disagree. And accepting that a person came to a conclusion with a minimum of thinking well, experience, gut feeling, honesty. And taking it from there.

    So be it. you have the freedom to judge and laugh all you want

    or to react not at all.

  558. ali says:

    Wrong site Marwa.

    Asking these Islam haters to read the Quran is like asking an elephant to do a back one and a half somersault reverse two and a half somersault flying forward one and a half somersault pike back dive half twist straight position armstand back double somersault tuck dive.

    And we all know the answer to that!

  559. ali says:

    Look at JK Rowling. How much wealth has she amassed by just writing a book of fiction (Harry Potter)? Ali Sina's claims are nearly as big as man walking on the moon, but look at his support and fan following. $300 dollars per year!

    They say that proof is in the pudding. And what does the pudding say? Islam is growing and more people are coming to Islam despite what is being thrashed about in the media around the globe.

    Any person who has made it their personal vendetta to bring down an 'Institution', but cannot learn the language of the 'Institution' in order to verify their claims and strengthen their case, shows one of 2 things. 1, They are incompetent or 2, they have an ulterior motive. Ali Sina can by all means argue that he is relying on translations which are good enough for him, but we will always say, talk in the same language to prove your stance. Until such time he actually learns the language, we will always have this over him. He has had 18 years to do so, but still cannot do it. Rosetta Stone or Online Arabic classes would be a good start. 9 months and Ali Sina could be fluent.

    If what Ali Sina says is true, then all I ask of him is to overcome death. Stop yourself from dying Ali Sina and live for 150 years so that you can complete your job.

    Until then, you will keep ranting and raving and we will keep growing and laughing, AT YOU.

    15:14 Even if We opened out to them a gate from heaven, and they were to continue (all day) ascending therein,

    15:15 They would only say: "Our eyes have been intoxicated: Nay, we have been bewitched by sorcery."

    And they say Islamic apologists? They can kiss our a@@es and keep kissing them until Judgement Day. The only thing I am sorry for, is wasting my time listening to his tripe. His is a minority, always has been and always will be.

    "Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change."
    -Confucius

    And Ali Sina is not the former, that's for sure.

    I deserve the $50,000 just for being on this site!

  560. ali says:

    @aminriadh. I must commend you for even continuing debating on here using the level of intellect you are using.

    I have personally given up that route and am now just mud slinging custard pies like one does at the fairground taking aim at will, on the leader and his cultist fan members. As soon as the dust settles, any sane normal person will see that this site is nothing but hate monger promotion against Islam.

    Every other day you have a phantom apostate (most probably Ali Sina pretending to be apostate or one of his Hindu brethren) claiming to have left Islam but is hiding in fear of their lives. Even my kids nursery schools can come up with better acting during their school plays!

    I have shown in simple logic Ali Sina does not have a leg to stand on with his claims and it is all about the money. He obviously is struggling to make ends meet in Canada or wherever he is hiding, (most probably India in my books) as he seems to be posting at very unusual times which don't fall in line with the Canadian time zones and his fan following seem to be Hindu Indians more than anything else. The reason why he doesn't come public is most probably to do with visa requirements for travel and the costs involved.

    I mean, if he can make allegations and come up with his viewpoint on Islam, Mohammed and Muslims, then by the same standard (his Golden Rule), I can do the same. He will always be lost and promote hate, where we Muslims will always be blessed and promote peace.

    We are the majority here and not Alis Sina's Atheistic way. We are doing him the favour for showing our presence on here and actually talking to him considering the amount of venom he spews against Islam.

    Has anyone ever asked what home made psycho-analysis he carried out with Jesus and Moses? Where are the books? Or doesn't he want to go down that route in case he offends his masters? He will no doubt waffle on about Jesus was a good guy and Moses was this and that, but Mohammed was blah blah blah. This is the usual responses from people who fear Islam because Islam is the Truth and always has been.

    Sometimes, you have to think outside the box to see what is inside the box. Thinking outside the box is more than just a cliché. It means approaching problems in new, innovative ways; conceptualizing problems differently; and understanding your position in relation to any particular situation in a way you’d never thought of before. Ironically, its a cliché that means to think of clichéd situations in ways that aren’t clichéd.

    After we have thought outside the box, we still come to the same conclusion about Islam and this is the part Ali Sina and Co get real uppity about. They find it hard to comprehend why Muslims are Muslims and cannot for the life of themselves work it out. Similar to how we Muslims think, how dumb must you be to deny your Creator and think you have come from nothing, are something, but will go to nothing. The answer is CHOICE.

    We have that choice to believe or not to believe. Despite what Ali Sina says or does, Islam is growing. This is an irrefutable fact. He will no doubt put his own twist on it and so will his followers, but the reality is, Islam is growing faster in the very region he so wants it to be removed from.

    Common sense dictates that if he had even a shred of evidence to back up his claims, the non Islamic entities would be throwing themselves at him and giving him every tool in the book to complete his job and make further advancements. But the reality is, that they all see him and his views for what they are, shrug there shoulders and continue on with life once again disappointed that another claimer could not deliver what he so promised.

  561. aminriadh says:

    Did you pad out out your comment – by replying to your own self? Surely not?

  562. aminriadh says:

    – – –

    " And even among at least neutral historians, like Hans Jansen, but also Bernard Lewis. "

    Both of these WERE NOT NEUTRAL – in any way shape or form. Again – evidence? Any examples?

    – – –

    "And if you were honest and practicing what you preach, you would have admitted at least that, but no he talk as if he much be discarded, together with all his points."

    If I am DISHONEST in anything . . . point it out? You haven't. . . I can show you your treacherous nature – this is EXACTLY the same form of ARGUMENT – when you first replied to me.

    I answered this there . . . . rather than coming up with something solid – you repeat these lies all over again. Why?

    – – –

    "Well, bias or wrong methodology he may have, but do all the others that agree with him have that too? "

    Absolutely fallacious – this is a logical fallacy – you cannot equate "supposed" agreements – that you haven't pointed out . . . to Sina. All others are JUDGED on their OWN merits. Which has NOTHING to do with Sina.

    I have told you this BEFORE – yet rather than answering once AGAIN you repeat this BS. This is just about Sina – and his work.

    See by trying to equate Sina with others – by supposed agreement – none which you have mentioned – this is earning false legitimacy – and it doesn't work.

    If Sina is WRONG – he is wrong . . . . what else is there to say.

    I suspect you knew this – even before you made the suggestion.

    – – – –

    "And I might add that Ali Sina, faulty as he may be, at least provide a counterweight to all those Muslims and Islamic scholars who of necessity for ages and massively were biased in favor of Islam?"

    Hang on . . . on one hand you admit Sina is faulty – on the other hand he is a counter-weight. . . that doesn't work. Again fallacious logic and atrocious point to make.

    I will go and rob a bank tomorrow – then when up in front of the judge say I am providing counter-weight to all those who haven't robbed a bank.

    – – –

    "And they, for the longest time, forbade even the slightest criticism! But you, you can argue to your heart's content here, on Ali Sina's own website, in the most contradicting and derogatory way! "

    I like the parting shot . . . show me – where i have been contradictory – I will show you many examples of Sina . . . which you refuse to see.

    Show me . . . where I have been derogatory? I will show and prove this is Sina's attitude towards me.

  563. aminriadh says:

    I HAVE SAID IT TO YOU BEFORE – YOU ARE NOT ONE BIT INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AN ISSUE – YOU ARE ABOUT VENTING YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT SINA – AND YOU DO THAT WITH WHOLE LOAD OF BS . . . TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT I SAY. SO WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO AIM I AT ME? IT IS MEANINGLESS TO DO SO.

    – – –

    "But I put it to you that you too are going to prove wrong and condemn Ali Sina not just in something but in anything he says, regardless. That your comments are also not about truthfinding. "

    Yes – but considering that YOU are – a supporter of SINA and have been throughout – it is OBVIOUS that you will make such claims.

    The things is – I give EXAMPLES and backup what I say. . . what do you do? You always make claims – when I challenge – you don't have an answer – you simply move on . . . you have DONE that time and time again.

    Why don't you read these bits carefully – why is it that they simply fly over your head?

    – – –

    "Maybe it is true what you say about the strong bias and the wrong methodology of Ali Sina. I don't know. "

    If you don't know then what the hell are you commenting for? Go back read the comments – and then make your mind up . . . it is CLEAR he has no methods and he applies none. This "don't know" – in the mean time i am interpreting as a "lie".

    If there is something you don't know or understand – why don't you ask?

    – – –

    "Also you will probably find that most ordinary people will not go up to your high level of reasoning and so also will not or cannot justifiably most other ordinary people to use it. and heed it, like you may hope. "

    Bullshit – again . . . and meaningless – this is why proper methodologies ARE followed. . . to discern fright from start. By insulting people's intelligence at large – that is simply pathetic.

    There is no such things as " high level of reasoning"

    I simply point out – contradictions – mistakes – lack of evidence – falsifications etc and they are VERY easy to understand.

    – – –

    "As I said earlier, the kind of reasoning, logic, scientific approach you use, must of necessity at least sometimes end in trumping religious authority and accumulated wisdom/ beliefs. Likewise a neutral police can come up with surprising conclusions after neutral, painstaking and logical investigation, exonerating a suspect and implicating a beloved, high-placed person. "

    Like I said to you . . . you odn't bother to read what I answer – hence you repeat your BS. Why? Again this is all meaningless nonsense – what is the point of it all?

    – – –

    "Hence when Ali Sina's work is studied by you, we read a lot of your reactions and condemnations and judgments. But you are nothing like a neutral scientific truthfinder or conscientious policeman, because if you were, then YOU almost of necessity would by now have admitted at least some really incontrovertable cases against Mohammed. "

    See – like I said you are one treacherous individual . . . I put forward – Sina lies, falsification, fallacies and etc.

    I have told you often enough . . . you come out with this HOT AIR – it is simply meaningless – why don't you for example highlight – where have I been wrong . . . with Sina and his work?

    And why have you gone BACK on your words . . . from yesterday – when you were claiming different to this . . . and you are just accusing me.

    And that without evidence. Why don't you get involved in the actual work . . . rather then this BS.

    Ha . . . you have made such allegation . . . repeatedly – whenever I press for EVIDENCE – you disappear. . . . a while later you will appear . . . and repeat it all over again.

    – – –

    "And you would have known, because you would have honestly impartially studied, that many of Ali Sina's points are mainstream among counter-jihadist writers."

    Such as . . . name them – something that is wrong is wrong – no matter who it is by. And there is no such thing as "counter-jihadist" – that is YOUR labeling and it means absolutely nothing.

    What is it that you think – that I need to study impartially – do point it out.

    See how deep your treacherous allegations run . . yet you won't provide evidence for any – it will be HOT AIR allover again.

  564. denialisnoproof says:

    It's not assertion, you should live in pakistan or afghanisthan to understand this.
    is it fair to worship a psychopath who burn people in hell for eternity just coz not believing ?

  565. aminriadh says:

    Look at how treacherous you are . . . it is NOT merit of discourse that you discuss but the same agenda. . . I have highlighted it time and time again. . . it flies right over you. Do you honestly this you Bull**** works?

    – – –

    "But psychologists and neutral policemen would then surely conclude that you are prejudiced against him. "

    What are you talking about . . . name me one such "neutral" person. I disprove Sina and his book – with evidence and lack there of.

  566. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    "there is only two communities in this world one is Islam and other is humanity " lol

    Assertion, ranting are big problems with anti Islamists !

  567. aminriadh says:

    "I have shown ample evidence to back up that claim. Didn't you read them or it just did not sink? The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence. "

    As I have already mentioned you haven't – so just to reiterate here is kind of pathetic – why don't you post the evidence here . . . and lets look at it.

    "The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence. "

    No – what you QUOTED – is general descriptions . . . and the claim is simply your falsification.

    – – –

    This type of affirmation and such sentences as: "Didn't you read them or it just did not sink?"
    They don't work with me. Solid evidence or nothing.

    What he claims are description of later life – I will go through.

  568. denialisnoproof says:

    Sina you should write a separate article on how zakir naik lies to show some miracles in quran.
    He misinterprets dahaha as egg and noor as reflected light so please do help every one who is deceived by zakir naik.
    I know you have written refutation for the campbell zakir naik debate but as it is too much to read ,
    you can write few examples and then provide a link to your refutation

  569. denialisnoproof says:

    Hey dude it is not about having good life .
    don't you think being muslim while islam hates humanity is bad for your conscience?
    It seems like you are rational but don't want to accept the fact because of your arrogance.
    there is only two communities in this world one is islam and other is humanity .you make your choice based on what has done more good to you .Hell and heaven are longest running ponzi schemes.
    trust me.

  570. denialisnoproof says:

    hey dude eating delicious food as got nothing to do with hypocrisy .
    He is just criticising their ideology

  571. ali says:

    You are right about not being talented enough. Forget the language, simple Maths eludes you!

    But you brought in the probability method into a simple 1 of 2, did not understand the concept, but claimed to be a probability expert.

    I told you time and time again, I was always going to win, which I did. (You couldn't even qualify in the heats).

    Stick to looking at the sky trying to catch the stars with your hands whilst standing on the earth!
    You got more chance of doing that then understanding 1 of 2 in simple terms. 😉

  572. ali says:

    But you don't understand 50/50 in a 1 of 2 possibilities Loki?

    I told you numerous times, I was way ahead of you and always will have that advantage of 50% over you. Just because you say Microsoft doesn't exist, it doesn't mean you are right. We all know it does. Only you are fooling yourself.

    How many times do you have to be slapped with the hand to realize it is a slap?

    Come on mate, even you cannot be that thick to keep harpering on about 1 of 2 without actually understanding it.

    Stick to the day job.

  573. ali says:

    I am talking to a gorilla. You! 😀

    If you are really hell bent on arguing for the sake of it, then I will have to put you in check again and show you your flaws again.

    It was you that copied me and not the other way around. I quoted the Quran for you dealing with my way to me and your way to you, I quoted the Quran for you concerning dealing with ignorants and I quoted Einstein to you regarding stupidity. Only AFTER seeing these quotes and this type of reasoning, you decided to use the same technique and quote George Orwell.

    Is that not the sequence of events?

    There you have it. It's all in black and white. I SUGGEST YOU CHECK THE ABOVE ALL THE WAY AND NOT JUST A FEW LINES UP. OOPS.

    However, you will still rub your eyes and state the opposite citing 'my eyes have deceived me'.

    No wonder you guys follow Ali Sina. Simple comprehension for you guys is like walking to Mars. NEVER!

    The sooner you admit your errors, the sooner you can move on. It's really that simple.

  574. ali says:

    @Loki. Unfortunately you are an ex Hindu thus still have the reincarnation doctrine inbedded in you which you keep babbling on about as sequences. Thus the probability infatuation.

    Once you step out of this mode, you will understand that there is no sequences to a one flip toss with a 1 of 2 answer. It's really that simple.

    However, if you want to start comparing apples and oranges believing them to be the same, just to save some face, by all means do so. We all know the probability of 1of 2 and by that I mean the billions of billions of humans on this earth. It is you that and your 'I come from nothing' theory are now trying to squeeze a camel into the eye of the needle in order to justify 1 of 2 to your way of thinking.

    Keep dreaming!

  575. Demsci says:

    Look, one can easily see that you, Aminriadh, may love your prophet above all else, and that your prophet has been mortally offended by Ali Sina.

    But psychologists and neutral policemen would then surely conclude that you are prejudiced against him.

  576. Demsci says:

    "but no he talk as if he must be discarded, together with all his points."

    should be read as:

    But no, you talk as if Ali Sin must be discarded, together with all his points.

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  578. Demsci says:

    "I have successfully highlighted – and Extracted from Sina – that he does NOT follow any accepted academic standards.
    His basic position is simply fallacious – it is already biased. He is going to condemn – irrespectively. His book isn't about truth finding – but a fit up job – to find evidence for his position . . . the problem is in the methods employed. Fabricating evidence, not telling the whole truth, not validating evidence, rejecting historical methods. . . and etc. Also – claiming things without any evidence . . . when it is asked for – he fails to provide adequate references. For example the reason for his believing Prophet Muhammad name to be something else – was a solitary video – which in itself lacked adequate references.
    This is the point where I commented: that Sina does not follow standards . . . rather than prove me wrong."

    There, Aminriadh, I read carefully what you said about Ali Sina and his and your argumentation about the police, it needing to be neutral collecting evidence. Very impressive. Thought about long time and will think about it much more.

    But I put it to you that you too are going to prove wrong and condemn Ali Sina not just in something but in anything he says, regardless. That your comments are also not about truthfinding.

    Maybe it is true what you say about the strong bias and the wrong methodology of Ali Sina. I don't know.

    But if only neutrality and right methodology are allowed you put the standards very high. And later must accept that that same neutrality and right methodology must of necessity also be applied to all beliefs inside Islam and among Muslims. That is also about neutrality.

    Also you will probably find that most ordinary people will not go up to your high level of reasoning and so also will not or cannot justifiably most other ordinary people to use it. and heed it, like you may hope.

    As I said earlier, the kind of reasoning, logic, scientific approach you use, must of necessity at least sometimes end in trumping religious authority and accumulated wisdom/ beliefs. Likewise a neutral police can come up with surprising conclusions after neutral, painstaking and logical investigation, exonerating a suspect and implicating a beloved, high-placed person.

    Now look at you: You are a Muslim, perhaps an Islam-apologist, and thereby suspect of being basically biased. Suspect of being never prepared to give up essential Islamic beliefs, which do center around the legitimacy of divine revelation, not reason. And you never show signs of ever going against Islamic authority.

    Hence when Ali Sina's work is studied by you, we read a lot of your reactions and condemnations and judgments. But you are nothing like a neutral scientific truthfinder or conscientious policeman, because if you were, then YOU almost of necessity would by now have admitted at least some really incontrovertable cases against Mohammed.

    And you would have known, because you would have honestly impartially studied, that many of Ali Sina's points are mainstream among counter-jihadist writers. And even among at least neutral historians, like Hans Jansen, but also Bernard Lewis. And if you were honest and practicing what you preach, you would have admitted at least that, but no he talk as if he much be discarded, together with all his points. Well, bias or wrong methodology he may have, but do all the others that agree with him have that too?

    Instead why do you not now admit to be every bit as much biased as Ali Sina is, regardless of your fine, high-standard methodology?

    And I might add that Ali Sina, faulty as he may be, at least provide a counterweight to all those Muslims and Islamic scholars who of necessity for ages and massively were biased in favor of Islam? And they, for the longest time, forbade even the slightest criticism! But you, you can argue to your heart's content here, on Ali Sina's own website, in the most contradicting and derogatory way!

  579. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I have banned Probability in terms of GOD. This is the confirmation that GOD exists. Now SHUT UP !

  580. Ali Sina says:

    “That he made up. ”

    I have shown ample evidence to back up that claim. Didn’t you read them or it just did not sink? The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence.

  581. Ali Sina says:

    No evidence eh? One proof that Muhammad was never at risk in Mecca is the discourse of his uncle Abbas at Aqaba. When the new coverts of Yathrib came to Mecca to pledge their allegiance to Muhammad, Abbas stood up and said,

    “O People of Khazraj, you know what position Muhammad holds among us. We have protected him from our own people who think as we do about him. He lives in honor and safety among his people, but he will turn to you and join you. If you think that you can be faithful to what you have promised and protect him from his opponents, then assume the burden you have undertaken. But if you think that you will betray and abandon him after he has gone out with you, then leave him now, for he is safe where he is.” Sirat Rasoul p. 203

    This contradicts the claim made in the Quran 8:30 that unbelievers were plotting to bond, or to slay or to exile Muhammad. How can we reconcile these contradictory statements? Truth was irrelevant for Muhammad. He said what was needed in every situation.

  582. Loki says:

    Yahh go on.

    But that won't undo that you screwed up on page 1 of probability and had to invent a new one to claim an absurdity.
    You'll pretty much say Christiano Ronaldo is the President of US and then claim he actually is.
    No embarrassment is too big for you 🙂

  583. Loki says:

    Well you did copy me 🙂

    What now? Deny what is documented just a few lines above?

    You visit this bankrupt website more times than I do and get your ass kicked around like a football 🙂
    Make elementary mistakes and then invent definitions to cover your sorry ass.

    Maybe you can try talking to gorillas.They'll be of your mental level.

  584. Loki says:

    "You one are the only one who cannot understand the probability of 1 of 2"

    There is nothing called Probability of constants, student Ali 🙂
    There is nothing like P(1/2)

    Stop embarrassing yourself with something you don't have the faintest idea about.

  585. Loki says:

    You brought probability into this.

    You said 'odds' of God being there is 50:50 without the faintest idea of how that 50:50 is calculated.
    Because of course reading is not your cup of tea.

  586. Loki says:

    I'm not talented enough to find a new language.
    But you are, because you invented a new probability theory for yourself to support your pathetic claim 🙂
    Then ran a race alone, came second and gave yourself the Gold medal LOL

  587. Loki says:

    LOL confusing reality with superhero movies?

  588. Loki says:

    Nice.. twist whatever you like.
    But that still doesn't undo that you goofed up big time on page 1 of a subject and instead of acknowledging your mistake are pathetically trying to cover it up.

  589. aminriadh says:

    Sina's section on "The Myth of Persecution" is one his finest falsifications. He claims many things – without giving a shred of evidence . . . what is even more surprising is that he why he thinks there is no need to give any either – yet expects to be taken seriously.

    "Some of the slaves were caught while trying to escape and were beaten. That was not, of course,
    religious persecution. The Meccans were simply trying to protect what they considered to be their property. For example, when Bilal was caught, his master, Umaiyah, beat him and put him in chains. Abu Bakr paid his price and he was set free. He was being punished for trying to escape, causing a financial loss to his owner and not for his beliefs."

    Evidence? None given . . . evidence from Muslim sources – simply disregarded. On what basis? It did not match his bias. . . . which is a fanatical hate towards Islam and Muslim. Evident through out these comment sections.

    Is this telling the truth? Or is this lying? How can one be expected to be taken seriously when pulls such wild stunts?

    – – –

    "A hadith narrates that Omar, prior to his own conversion, had tied up his sister forcing her to leave
    Islam.26 Omar was a violent and strict man, both before and after his conversion. These stories can hardly be classified as religious persecutions."

    [Both – page 18 Second edition]

    He presents none . . . and terms this as non-persecution . . . of course the only example he gave was of a future Muslim. . . and leaving anything more gory.

    – – –

    Read this:

    "The Meccans, like most non-Muslims of today, were tolerant of all religions. Religious persecution in those lands was unheard of." [Page 17 – 2nd Edition]

    Disregarding all evidence . . . this is a complete bare-face lie. Not only that it is fallacious logic.

    – – –

    No wonder he self-published this . . . I would be surprised to see anyone coming out to defend this. . . who can put some colour into this? Anyone from his so-called supporters?

  590. aminriadh says:

    Continuing from above:

    "Physically, Muhammad was a sick man. In his youth, he must have been handsome to Khadijah, a becoming woman herself. However in the last years of his life he acquired odd features his companions found strange."

    Again this is a complete falsification. The Hadith he quotes as support:

    “The Prophet had big hands and feet, and I have not seen anybody like him, neither before nor after him, and his palms were soft.”

    This does not indicate on what he claims . . . this is a general description . . . there is no time frame attached to it. Yet normally Sina would have rejected this as a "miracle" Hadith . . . but he made this to serve his purpose. Even though fallaciously.

    – – –

    Read what he says next:

    "A review of
    them may provide us with clues about his state of health and ailments. Muhammad’s followers have gone out of their way to describe him superlatively – praising his radiance, saying how his beauty surpassed that of the moon, or how everyone stood in awe of his moonlike beauty and awe inspiring presence, etc. These are subjective descriptions and of little scientific or factual value and I will not quote them. The following are some of his followers’ more objective description of him."

    Yet – Sina isn't honest – when dealing with – on one had he assumes Khadijah – must have found him handsome – but without reason or warning – then he rejects Hadith that describe him as handsome. He rejects the subjective descriptions – and deals with partial physiological descriptions. But even then he is not completely honest.

    – – –

    Take this example:

    "walked briskly (restlessness)"

    Walking briskly – does not equal to restlessness.

    – – –

    Another example:

    "His body was well-proportioned, stout and muscular, of equal belly and chest. He was wide shouldered, big- jointed."

    This he quotes from Hadith. . .

    But: "However in the last years of his life he acquired odd features his companions found strange."

    That he made up.

    – – –

    Lets look at this:

    "In the description of Muhammad we read that he had a rosy complexion. However, several other ahadith say that when he raised his hands showing his armpits, or when riding a horse exposing a thigh, his companions noticed the whiteness of his skin. Hyper pigmentation occurs in roughly 40% of cases of acromegaly and almost always in photo exposed areas. It is probably due to the associated increase of melanotrophic hormone. That is why his face was reddish while the parts of his body not exposed to light were white."

    Yet . . . this is perfect description of some Semitic people – for example Syrians – look at this girl:
    http://www.thirdage.com/news-photo/syrians-protes

    It is amazing how he manages to twist this. The whiteness or loss of any pigmentation is NOT described in the Hadith. This as previously shown is his falsification. He has not presented any Hadith – that describe any abnormalities [I haven't come across any yet] . . . these descriptions he uses are simply general.

  591. ali says:

    Still 50% better than you.

    Why would I cover up anything when it is you that doesn't understand 1 of 2 and falsely attaches probability sequences to a straight one off event?

    When will you ever learn?

    I told you at the beginning that I will always have that 50% advantage over you and proved it using your own theory.

    Don't blame me mate, blame yourself for bringing probability into the equation.

  592. ali says:

    And for billions of others Loki.

    You one are the only one who cannot understand the probability of 1 of 2.

    Night school might be an option.;)

  593. ali says:

    If I copied you Loki, I'd be bankrupt for not understanding the concept of 1 of 2 in simple arithmetic.

    Do I want to be someone claiming a whole lot of nothing, having nothing, gaining nothing, making nothing and walking with a calculator 24/7 possessed with probabilities without actually understanding what it means, delusionally thinking to have kicked one the world's greatest movements ass by visiting a bankrupt website with a lame ass leader like Guru Swami Ji Ali Sina?

    I don't think so!

    I'll take my chances being me.

  594. aminriadh says:

    Another fit up?

    [ [ [ The following is a list of what we can learn about Muhammad’s physical
    traits from the hadith:

     heavy and thick fleshy hands and feet
     wide and doughlike palms
     large head
     large bones and joints
     wide chest, large upper back and shoulder-joints
     long forearms
     long thick fingers and toes
     long, aquiline fleshy nose that looked upturned
     wide mouth and thick lips
     large eyes
     spaced teeth
     long silvery neck
     luster on his skin (looked oily)
     thick beard and hair, dense protruding eyebrows
     walked leaning forward as if ascending a slope (stiffness)
     walked briskly (restlessness)
     difficulty moving the neck and turned with full torso (catatonic behavior)
     had white skin with a reddish tinge
     sweating
     peculiar smell that he masked with excessive perfume
     snored like a camel
     suffered from head-ache (performed cupping to alleviate it)
     In later years he was impotent
     lips moved involuntarily
     was shy and prudish
    ] ] ]

    Sina lists these for a condition called "Acromegaly."

    Here is the catch . . . the Hadith to back this up do not match exactly what he wrote above. The things that were in contradiction he simply discarded – some he claims to be "miracles" – yet not all

    Some things he has falsified as an example given above. Also there is his strange – impotency theory – which in itself is falsehood. [Details Coming Soon]

    Some are left unreferenced.

    Some – what he says are sings of acromegaly. Just aren't its known sings that I have managed to find.

  595. ali says:

    Stay off the crack mate, stay off the crack!

  596. aminriadh says:

    Another falsification, found in both editions 2 & 4:

    "Bukhari also has written that Muhammad’s feet and legs were swollen."

    Yet the Hadith says:

    Narrated Al-Mughira:

    "The Prophet used to stand (in the prayer) or pray till both his feet or legs swelled. He was asked why (he offered such an unbearable prayer) and he said, "should I not be a thankful slave."

    Volume 2, Book 21, Number 230

    – – –

    Which if you compare are not the same things – He did not have swollen feet generally – but DUE to something.

  597. Loki says:

    Hopeless try of copying me. 🙂
    But what's original in you anyway?
    Except covering up goof-ups?

  598. Loki says:

    At least I can work out the probability.
    You can't.
    It's always 50-50 for you 🙂

  599. Loki says:

    No workshop can help you 🙂

    You are doomed!
    All you do is try to cover up childish mistakes with made-up theories.

  600. aminriadh says:

    This is from his book – edition 4:

    "Muslims claim that Muhammad was known to be an honest man as the Meccans called him Amin (trustee). This is simply not true. Amin was the title of those who sold and bought merchandise on behalf of others. "

    This is a strange falsification – I will explore this further and more thoroughly. Again he provides no evidence to back this claim up. I think what he has done is simply gone through a modern Arabic dictionary. Hence:

    "One is called school trustee, or city trustee because of his profession. The title
    "Amin" is a label for every sort of profession. Here are some examples: Amin El-Makataba (Trustee of the library); Amin El-Shortaa (Police Trustee); and Majlass El-Omnaa (Counsil of Trustees.)"

    But these are modern connotations . . . the word Amin – whose root is Aa Ma Na امن means safety and the word and its derivatives have many related meanings . . . The primary meaning of the word is honest & reliable. The word is considered as صفة مشبة which in Arabic an adjective with permanent quality as opposed to اسم الفاعل

    – – –

    "Had the Meccans believed Muhammad to be trustworthy they would not have derided him when he told them that he had received a message from God."

    Really? Again how do you know this . . . just because someone is truthful – does not mean everything from such person is automatically accepted. What Prophet Muhammad proposed – would have radically altered the society and social structure – and that would have been accepted like that? No.

    – – –

    "According to Muhammad’s own admission made in the Quran, those who knew him best called him a liar and a madman, (Q.15:6)"

    But the verse says no such thing:

    Sahih International 15:6
    And they say,"O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad.

    Sahih International – 15:7
    Why do you not bring us the angels, if you should be among the truthful?"

    This does not equal to calling someone a "mad" or "liar" – in general terms – but it is over a specific matter.

    And this: "“Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman.” (Q.52:29)"

    Is hardly denying to be a "liar"

    – – –

    Sina's claims are difficult to judge as he does not reference such material. This appeared to be against his profile of prophet Muhammad – and it seems he found any material to attempt to discredit. But with no basis. . . .whatsoever to do so.

  601. ali says:

    Wal-Mart?

    Or you working out the probability of how to get there after you actually get there?

    Do not forget the calculator!

  602. ali says:

    Yes Loki. The millions and millions of apostates you and Ali Sina have helped leave Islam by using the secret weapon.

    Yes you got it…… this website! OMG.

    We have got our asses kicked so bad that we have denounced Islam.

    I want to come to one of yours and Ali Sina's workshops to learn the art of delusion and help get diagnosed with it.

    Please help.

  603. ali says:

    And Martin Luther King, Jr said something for you:
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."

    You're welcome!

    😀

  604. ali says:

    Obviously you've not recovered from the beating, thus the confusion of 1 of 2.

    Never mind, time is a great healer.

  605. ali says:

    Just like your new understanding of 1 of 2, you also have a new language.

    You are so cool.

    Ali Sina has nothing on you!

    Keep it up, soon you'll work out the theory of butt butt ding ding.

    Now that's one for the books!

  606. ali says:

    Now I get it. It's the same as your understanding of 1of 2. Home made!

    Well done.

    By the way, I've got only 2 coins in my pocket. Can you tell me how many coins I have got in my pocket?

    Take your time and work out the probability first Gupta…… I mean Loki.

    😉

  607. aminriadh says:

    Just checking – was it just that comment – or can I still post.

  608. ali says:

    If you say so Loki, if you say so.

    What's the pass rate of your students? 0.00%.

    Listen up, my mate wants to liquidate his company as it's nearing bankruptcy and he's looking for a real dimwit accountant who can't understand simple arithmetic, so the process can be sped up and can become bankrupt with no protection

    Fancy the job? I'll put in a real good word for you and explain to him that you cannot understand 1 of 2 logic, despite it being in your face from umpteen different sources. And all you talk about is probability because you probably heard the word on the TV.

    What do you say?

    Pays real schit but you will have your calculator with you to work out the probabilities that have been deluding you all your life. Screw Bernoulli Trials, you'll have carte blanche to make up Loki Trial.

    I'll tell him how dumb you really are so he is impressed with your dumbness and will be dumbfounded when he meets you.

  609. aminriadh says:

    I posted a reply – but I got the – your comments must be approved . . . thing.

    And before Sina accuses me . . I have took a screen shot – it was longish reply – I have no effort left to repeat it.

    Clicking on edit – to attempt a retrieval gave me this:
    <div id="idc-comment-msg-div-428591697" class="idc-message"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(428591697)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Falisina.org%2Fthe-sound-sane-and-logical-quran%2F%23IDComment428578438#IDComment428591697&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20The%20Sound%2C%20Sane%20and%20Rational%20Quran%20that%20Makes%20You%20Laugh%20%7C%20Alisina.org&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(428591697)">Close Message Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly.appear publicly.

  610. Loki says:

    So you are helping in the obliteration of Islam?
    Congrats!

    No actually you are right! Without Islamoretards like you, whose asses shall we kick?
    Thanks for helping us kick your ass 😀

  611. Loki says:

    That's the new name of your probability theory?

    Oh! A new theory that keeps changing it's name every 10 minutes!
    That's cool innovation!

  612. Loki says:

    No it's your imagination that's fertile enough to think that a naked Genie whished his wand and the TV came into being. So you would describe it better. You could take references from the Quran. Maybe it'll help you.

    By the way how is life a bitch for you?You just got the Alian Nobel prize in Alian Physics,Alian Chemistry,Alian Medicine,Alian Economics and the best 🙂 Alian "Peace" LOL

    George Orwell wrote something for you:-

    "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength"
    😀

  613. Loki says:

    "Ital'ian dinner?
    'Ricard'ian theory of rent?

    Ali'an theory of Probability?

  614. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Yes every blog needs celebrity visitors like us to bring life and keep it happening lol

  615. Loki says:

    You're welcome oh frog of the Islamic well 🙂

    You'll surely get friends and croak together 🙂

  616. ali says:

    With the likes of you Loki, this definitely is the most I've learnt on this site.

    The probability theory of home made BS.

    Where to next with your calculator? Wal -Mart?

  617. aminriadh says:

    I asked this:

    "huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong. So what am I wrong over? You make such treacherous claims . . . but why do they always fall apart i wonder? "

    Where is your answer?

    This isn't it:

    "Reason, logic and science, helped by testing experiments may lead to conclusions that differ from and that trump the acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions. "

    That is rewording what you wrote before. Same kind of BS that is too general to be meaningful for anything.

    – – –

    Like I said . . . you talk to your own self mostly – and vent your views – if that is all you are interested in – just don't aim them at me.

    What is the point – if you ain't gonna respond proper?

  618. ali says:

    I cannot for the life of me work out Alian? Exactly what does it mean Loki?

    Me being British, my English is not too good, but you being Indian, must be able to educate me.

    Alian????

  619. Loki says:

    "So you accept your retardness as well then Loki? "
    Did I? Are you hallucinating by any chance?
    But you just did when you said "Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as RETARDED……..". 😀

    "Exactly what is Alian?"
    'Brown'ian motion?
    Babylon'ian empire?
    Ali'an Theory of Probability?
    Need more clues? 😀

  620. ali says:

    Stop clutching at straws now Loki. Life's a biatch for some, so get over it.

    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    Describe that TV that came out your wall, including the binary probability that it was a Lokisung brand? And do post the pictures for us all to see.

    Was it a 1 of 2 chance or was it a 1 of 2 chance?

    I suppose in your level of comprehension, it doesn't take 30 minutes, it takes half an hour!!

    LMAO.

    😀

  621. Loki says:

    Still you consider this site important enough to be a regular visitor here.
    So you obviously care about Sina's work.You might dismiss it as junk or whatever, but you care to visit here and debate.
    If you didn't, you wouldn't be here 🙂

    That's the evidence.YOU are the evidence that all the work here has some effect.
    I hope that's enough for you.

  622. Loki says:

    Oh right!

    Too much of superhero films!
    That's what landed you in this soup 😀
    That's why your version of reality is so distorted.
    I should have guessed earlier.
    But you know don't try those stunts.Your life could be at risk 🙂

  623. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    lol You made me smile thank you for your harmless earthworm response !

  624. Loki says:

    I will but I have taught you enough today.
    At least you'll go to sleep accepting you are a retard 🙂

    That's enough knowledge for one day 🙂
    Probably the most you have learned on this site ever 🙂

  625. ali says:

    He has to work out the probability of the figure of speech first.

    Isn't that so Loki?

    Please educate us on the probability of figure of speech, oh almighty Loki, you mastermind you.

  626. Loki says:

    I thought you was teaching the PhD students the theory of what the fk am I talking about dressed as probability

    Oh you gave your theory a name already?
    Nice!
    It's a very apt name by the way 🙂

    "By the way, did you work out the probability of what colour pants you wore today?"

    No,actually you know, you don't need to calculate probability of certain events. Probability of certain events is always 1. Maybe something else in your theory. But probability as we ordinary folks understand that probability is 1 🙂

    I know great minds such as yours won't understand these petty things. But you know everyone isn't a genius like you who can invent a new theory to cover his abysmal goof-up in a debate. 🙂

  627. ali says:

    You've got it right Loki.

    That's why people like me will always be leaders and people like you will always be followers. It's called 'power'.

    With great power comes great responsibility. And my responsibility is to put retards like you in check.

    Have you forgotten the beating the Hulk gave you?

  628. aminriadh says:

    An interesting tidbit:

    In the second edition – Sina uses Dr Sam Vaknin – a self confessed narcissist, who seems to have a very interesting history.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vaknin

    Whom he calls:

    "Dr. Sam Vaknin is the author of Malignant Self-Love.99 He is regarded as an authority on the subject. He understands and describes the mind of a narcissist like few do. "

    But is Vaknin an authority? That is certainly disputable . . . as:

    "He acknowledges that some of his theories are not accepted by academics in the field."

    As far as I can figure out he does NOT have any qualifications is psychiatry or psychology. Neither is his Phd related. If this is the case – then using the title of "Dr." repeatedly can be very misleading. I can be wrong on this . . . trying to find out more.

    His amateur website does have the disclaimer:

    "The author is NOT A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL."

    He does appear to have great knowledge of the subject – that is not under dispute – but there is clear difference between that and a proper scientific expert. One who follows proper procedures & methods – and has his worked published in relevant academic publications to be judged by other authorities.
    – – –

    This is more evidence . . . how badly put together this book is. The main basis of his research is – nothing more than looking at Internet.

    Now there is nothing wrong with that per-se – however if you do not verify your evidence – and you refuse to follow proper methodology then the value and the quality of work produced is going to be amateurish.

    Hence what is the point of claiming such grandiose claims . . . that no academic has ever claimed. When they appear so desperate – for self-published book.

    – – –

    What really made me laugh was this fourth edition – review:

    The hallmark of a seminal work is that it crystallizes into a single, overpowering coherence its reader's dark suspicions, ephemeral unease, and penumbral stirrings. Understanding Muhammad introduces an organizing principle into what hitherto appeared to be utter mayhem and
    lethal chaos. Ali Sina’s book offers an explanatory scheme. One "a-ha" moment chases another as things fall into place and a causative chain emerges leading all the way from medieval founder to his current day followers and emulators. This blood-curdling tome is a sweeping, thoughtprovoking,
    and thrilling historical panorama that weaves seamlessly insights from numerous disciplines: history, mental health, theology, logics, and more.

    I wonder if Sina tested him over Gchat as well. Which I have waited until 9:30 pm GMT. . . . after Sina sent me the book – with another strange 'lie'.

  629. Demsci says:

    "huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong."
    '
    Reason, logic and science, helped by testing experiments may lead to conclusions that differ from and that trump the acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions.

    And it hinders the progress of mankind if reason, logic and science are only allowed to lead to conclusions that do not differ from the religious acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions. Says scientist Geoffrey Carr in "Megachanges 2050".

  630. ali says:

    So you accept your retardness as well then Loki? Great, at least you've come clean about the nothing to nothing to nothing to nothing to nothing garbage.

    By the way, being British my English is not to good. Exactly what is Alian? I've seen you mention it a few times so it couldn't be a typo error as you've spelt it Alian all the time.

    Any clues please?

  631. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I visit anti-Islamic websites only to know how Anti-Islamists are using Quranic intelligence against Quran.

    I don't care about perceptions, perspectives, psychoanalysis as this come as handiwork for me.

  632. Loki says:

    Yes I know.
    I sympathize with you.

    Must be difficult with no friends, right?
    That's why you're trying to make friends here.
    Good luck.I'm sure you'll find several like minded individuals here.Many Islamoretards visit here.

  633. Demsci says:

    "It doesn't matter what I say . . . you tend to ignore that."
    Noooo, I read "that" avidly, it shocks me regularly. But maybe I should respond more to your points. I thought that I did respond to them, but in a disagreeing way. And listening to people is NOT the same as agreeing with them. And not agreeing with them is not the same as ignoring them.

    "Sina – has fallen badly – look at how I blow up his book. Any comments?"

    I think you are a very skilled and knowledgeable debater. And yes, I feel sorry for Ali Sina, who has a very difficult opponent in you. And yes, you do make good points. You do corner him regularly.

    But this seems to me to happen because Ali Sina makes bold statements and draws sometimes spectacular, harsh conclusions. He has a book, at least 2 websites, and here he has a very high number of articles, debates, theories.

    Of himself but also from all over the world from other counterjihadist-writers. In it he extensively shows texts from Quran-Hadiths-Sira and he gives and shows very many critical commentaries on them.

    And you, Aminriadh, seem to be in the business of breaking them down, render them worthless as information and useful logic, useless to be trusted by people who seek to see both or all sides of Islam.

    You do not believe in him. And you assert that you will only believe his conclusions when they are up to high academic standards and rules of logic. So far you have refuted many conclusions of him and done it well, although perhaps not all conclusive.

    But that is still a small part of the huge collection of criticisms of Islam by him and by his editors and writers and by other counterjihadists.

    It will be impossible for you to refute everything these writers come up with. And I think it will be impossible for you also to discredit Ali Sina totally (perhaps you can do it partially). Or to discredit all counterjihadists, and these ARE connected to him.

    And now I come the other side of the coin. You are an Islam-apologist. You have a religion to defend, which has a finite studyable set of beliefs-rules. And just as you can break down parts of Ali Sina's conclusions, the counterjihadists can break down Islam. And they can point to alternative theories, and laws and practices, from which Islam does differ and which they prefer over Islam.

    So far many Muslims relied on revelation as THE legitimization of Islam. If you now start to rely on reason, science, logic as legitimization of Islam, then sooner or later the challenge will be returned to Islam-apologists. And Islam will be scrutinized with the same rigourous methods and reference to them being use by you to scrutinize Ali Sina.

    In the end I hope both sides will compromise. You definitely win some points here, but you cannot win all or even most points, which will become clear enough later on.

    And if you don't compromise then, you will be seen as unable to discard essential Islamic authority and Islamic wisdom of the past in favor of scientific and logical newer conclusions.

    And hence either too deep in denial or stubborn or dishonest to admit at least partial defeat and powerlesness or again simply relying on revelation and no more than that.

    And hence you will eventually lose credibility, especially to high academic minds, who themselves know eventual compromise is often unavoidable. The ability to compromise, following openness to opposite opinions, was one of the characteristics that the West has more than Islam according to Ibn Warraq in his book "Defending the West".

  634. ali says:

    You still here (Professor Loki)?

    I thought you was teaching the PhD students the theory of what the fk am I talking about dressed as probability.

    Oh.. I do have fun with your level of intellect.

    By the way, did you work out the probability of what colour pants you wore today?

  635. Loki says:

    Really?
    You don't understand 1 of 2?

    Should have told me earlier, I wouldn't have bothered explaining probability to you.
    Sorry mate. To trouble you with things beyond your understanding.

  636. Loki says:

    Shush! Inventor.
    Don't waste your precious brain on debating.

    There is Alian theory of Gravitation, Alian English, Alian theory of Evolution to invent.
    Get to work!

  637. Loki says:

    "Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as retarded as someone claiming to come from nothing, going to nothing, getting nothing, but claiming something but cannot understand the meaning of 1 of 2"

    So you accept that inventing Alian Theory of probability was retarded?
    Good. At least you know that you are retarded. That's enough learning for you today. 🙂 You're already stressed from all that learning.

  638. ali says:

    Be careful here. Loki is probably a problematic individual who's having problems, infatuated with probability trying to work out the probability of him probably trying to understand probability, probably knowing he probably will never understand.

    He is the type of person who takes a calculator with him to KFC and tries to work out the probability of him getting a leg or thigh when ordering, when he could simply ask for it!

    Isn't that right Professor Loki?

    You should have spent the years learning simple comprehension skills rather than religious texts, Loki.

    😀

  639. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I am certain you are wasting your time. There is nothing to dissect in my comment ! lol

    Get educated in figure of speech !

  640. Loki says:

    See Ya (student) Ali.

    Yes, and do read the first page of the probability book.
    Maybe you'll learn the first correct thing in your life 🙂

  641. Loki says:

    "I knew I am human being since I was sixteen"
    Raised with gorillas?

  642. Loki says:

    Emperor?
    Great!! Name of your country or province?
    Islamutopia?

    "I don't have friends"
    See? I knew it!

    "I have slaves wanna join?"
    Do you really need to advert about Islam's affinity with slavery here? 🙂

  643. aminriadh says:

    "I read these chapters and the earlier book. Got a clear general picture of official Islamic history and the theory and practice of Islam. And the contradictions that exist between Islamic en Democratic Western laws. "

    What is "official Islamic history"?

  644. ali says:

    Of course Loki.

    And you invented the theory of 'I cannot understand 1 of 2'.

    The phrase you're looking for is 'you're welcome'.

    😀

  645. Loki says:

    "A simple example of a Bernoulli trial is the flipping of a balanced coin
    1. There are only 2 possible outcomes; head or tails.

    2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of 1/2. "

    I've already said, to talk about Bernoulli's you have to first learn PROBABILITY.
    So you're basically saying probability of God's existence is 1/2 because it is 1/2?
    Wow, that's deep! 🙂

    Yes go on. Ramble about Alian theory of probability 🙂
    You might give yourself an Alian Nobel prize as well.
    You'll file the nomination, you'll be the jury, you'll award the prize and you'll receive it too 🙂

  646. aminriadh says:

    More evidence for Qathem. The name.

    ورجل قثم وقذم إذا كان معطاء . وقثم مالا إذا كسبه . وقثام : اسم للغنيمة إذا كانت كثيرة . وقد اقتثم مالا كثيرا إذا أخذه . وفي حديث المبعث : أنت قثم ، أنت المقفى ، أنت الحاشر ، هذه أسماء النبي سيدنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم . وفي الحديث : أتاني ملك فقال : أنت قثم وخلقك قيم ،
    http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.p

    – – –

    However – it is the meanings I am after. . . those alleged by Sina are not found in Classical dictionary.

  647. Demsci says:

    This was about Hans Jansen, een Islamologist. He agreed with Ali Sina about all the essential stuff. Like abrogation; he wrote a book about Mohammed in Mecca and Medina.

    In the book "De Islam, kritische essays over een politieke religie" (Critical essays about a political religion). It is compiled by Sam + Wim van Rooij. He wrote 2 chapters: "De kloof tussen de Islam en het Westen' (The gap between the Islam and the West). en "sharia en jihad versus vrijheid en vrede" (Sharia & Jihad versus freedom and peace).

    I read these chapters and the earlier book. Got a clear general picture of official Islamic history and the theory and practice of Islam. And the contradictions that exist between Islamic en Democratic Western laws.

  648. Loki says:

    YOU are the evidence.
    That you are typing here, trying unsuccessfully to argue(or whatever it is you are trying) is evidence that Sina is doing "something" right.
    If he were so unsuccessful why would you be motivated to come to this site?

    "Lets analyze probability with binary system 0 and 1. There is probability of 0 or 1 with 50% chance on both"
    The second sentence is an assumption.How did you reach that assumption?

    "Please replace Classical theory of probability with common sense"

    I'd be glad to do so, but then you can't talk about of "probability" of existence of God.You can say Allah'bility, Muhammad'bility, God'ability whatever you like, but not probability. If you talk probability you can't define it the way you like. It has several established definitions.

  649. Demsci says:

    Thanks for the link. The original advice came from Stephen Jay Gould. It was indeed about not giving creationists the "oxygen which debating with real scientists" would give them, being seen by the gullible masses who believe in them.

    veeeery strange. I am not a Christian, but a Darwinist, a follower of Richard Dawkins and like-minded people. and with this attitude I cannot agree.

  650. Loki says:

    Of course you are a genius!

    After all you invented Alian theory of probability 🙂

  651. aminriadh says:

    The way you spread hate . . . how disgusting.

  652. denialisnoproof says:

    Sina,
    need your explanation here
    muhammed also had sex with his sister abu talibs daughter Um Hani and when he was caught with his pants down he claimed he was riding a donkey with a beautiful womans face(buraq) whole night long ,many smart people left islam that day. sirat rasoul allah page 128.
    this is new info to me

  653. Ali says:

    Well we all know that's never going to happen in your lifetime. (I mean the eradication Islam). So why bother waste your time Ali Sina?

    But don't most Canadian Immigrants work 2-3 jobs?

    It is pretty clear that many new immigrants have a long and difficult time getting established in their chosen occupations. While there are many causes including economic, political and social, these solutions are a collective struggle and need to be solved. They are usually beyond the control of the individual.

    While most new immigrants have done some research, talked to others and have a pretty good idea of what to expect, the reality of joblessness and "odd jobs" is still a cruel shock especially to older well-established professionals. Starting at the bottom twice in a lifetime is not often a welcome prospect and that much harder both physically and psychologically, when you are older. And you Ali Sina are not far off from 70 odd years old, with one foot already in the grave.

    These new immigrants are professionals, engineers, geologists, computer programmers, medical doctors, bankers, accountants and business professionals, but most of them are working on daily wages as security guards, cleaning workers, at McDonalds, at KFCs, at Burger Kings, taxi drivers, etc.

    Whenever a lucky, highly qualified worker finds an odd job, the job does not last more than a few weeks. These immigrants are purposely kept on probation for a period of time and then let go. Companies do not want to make them permanent in order to save benefit costs and higher salaries. This is called abuse under the cover of freedom.

    A prosperous society is a society where all the members of the society prosper, not just a few.

    So you do work 2-3 jobs then? How else you maintaining the websites and have $50k to give for your challenge?

    Or you fleecing the public?

    Has to be one or the other.

  654. Ali says:

    Fk me. That was one hell of a sentence! Did you think that one up all by yourself denialisnoproof?

  655. aminriadh says:

    "You on the other hand, use science and logic well, but at the same time you seem to use it only in defense of Islam. And it seems to me that you ultimately will put authority over data, and that you will never reject the wisdom of the ages in Islam. "

    huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong. So what am I wrong over? You make such treacherous claims . . . but why do they always fall apart i wonder?

    – – –

    "In the past some academic Islam-critics and commenters despaired of Muslims able to acknowledge and appreciate the value of academic, scientific, reason-standards. "

    What do you want me to do about that?

    "But you do use them, provoked by Ali Sina, I think. "

    What does this mean?

    – – –

    "But if you put the debate on a much higher level, with higher standards, then sooner or later this will backfire on you, or Islam-apologists like you, when you eventually get challenged the way you now challenge Ali Sina. When it is you who is asked for the references, statistics and logic of what it is that you hold true. "

    Guff. . . and BS – this is about Ali Sina. Who isn't an academic . . . had to even print his own book – then give it away free.

    – – –

    "And according to me, it was Islam that had to have a watertight case, because Muslim scholars maintain that the Quran is without flaws, as it comes directly from God. But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam. With a significant number of hits he will get very far. And perhaps you can discredit many of his points but never all. "

    It is the "basic methodology" that is faulty with Sina . . . and on that basis – the whole genus of his arguments will be rejected.

    "But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam."

    See even you admit it . . . hence why he does so badly.

  656. aminriadh says:

    Like I said . . . Demsci – why the treachery – you write realms and realm about Sina – from the periphery – without anything of substance. Hence what you say is mostly "HOT AIR"

    It doesn't mean a thing. . . especially now.

    Sina – has fallen badly – look at how I blow up his book. Any comments?

    – – –

    "Richard Dawkins is my hero but with what he says according to you I disagree. "

    In what respect is he your hero? You as far as I understand are a Christian.

    – – –

    "And I definitely hope he finds out what you, a fellow-Muslim, fellow Islam-apologist, has to say about him in this regard. And I think with this you went pretty far in disagreement with such a renowned Islamic author. And I think that in a sense, people like Ali Sina provoked you to go this far. "

    See your treachery . . . it is always Sina. . . that is always begin all and end all with you.

    Ignore what I said . . . but bring it simply to the level of praising Sina. . . that is always your agenda.

    It doesn't matter what I say . . . you tend to ignore that.

    But don't worry – on that point – Yahya – knows how I feel about him. He is non-expert in science . . . hence Dawkins is right on the point.

    – – –

    "I keep saying that in a sense Ali Sina is member of a team, that includes Ayaan, and Robert Spencer, and David Wood and many others, including many academical people."

    Yet – when you mentioned a name . . . claimed you read his books . . when I asked – what did you reply?

    – – –

    "And I think it is wrong of Dawkins to snub Yahyah in this way. No debater should be declared illegitimate. High academic standards should be upheld, but experts do also exist to explain well what they know, to all humans who care to listen. And once students listen well, they can attain very high level of understanding and at times beat the experts on some issues. "

    Bullshit . . . this isn't about experts vs non-experts. Read what Dawkins says:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/aug/1

    – – –

  657. Ali says:

    For anyone to mistake sarcasm for fact must be great………………..A great fool!

    Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This obviously is not the case with you, but you want the world to believe you have debunked Islam and you cannot even recognise sarcasm for what it's worth?

    You just make it too easy for us.

    I also think you are a great liar and a great hate monger? Will you openly accept this compliment as well?

    You might not have said you were great, but you have implied that you were great by proxy, in the works that you have carried out regarding Islam and have done something that no other human has done in 1400 years relating to Mohammed.

    If this this claiming greatness by proxy, then what is?

    The only thing great about you Ali Sina, is the great amount of BS you spew.

  658. aminriadh says:

    Simply abusing me . . . will not cover up any deficiencies.

  659. aminriadh says:

    ""As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards" "

    I have successfully highlighted – and Extracted from Sina – that he does NOT follow any accepted academic standards.

    His basic position is simply fallacious – it is already biased. He is going to condemn – irrespectively. His book isn't about truth finding – but a fit up job – to find evidence for his position . . . the problem is in the methods employed. Fabricating evidence, not telling the whole truth, not validating evidence, rejecting historical methods. . . and etc. Also – claiming things without any evidence . . . when it is asked for – he fails to provide adequate references. For example the reason for his believing Prophet Muhammad name to be something else – was a solitary video – which in itself lacked adequate references.

    – – –

    This is the point where I commented: that Sina does not follow standards . . . rather than prove me wrong.

    He has simply launched into a personal attack . . . hence the point stands successfully.

    – – –

    What is worse . . . he confirms this by his own statement – that what I said is true:

    "Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam. "

    "My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim."

    "As far as I am concerned they are all lies. My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation."

    – – – –

  660. aminriadh says:

    – – –

    "I was impartial in 1994 when I started reading the Quran. Actually that is not true. At that time I was biased in favor of Islam. Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam. "

    But that is NOT the question !!!!!!!!!!. . . it about HONESTY . . . Just because something is apparently AGAINST Islam – it doesn't mean it is true . . .

    THAT IS WHY I SO EASILY – BLEW UP YOUR MUSAYOON ARTICLE – WHICH YOU HAD COPIED FROM THE CHRISTIANS .

    You seem to swallow EVERYTHING that is apparently against . . . that is why I have said many times . . .
    http://alisina.org/muhammads-flat-earth/

    This video – has basic ERRORS – what he quotes from Tafsir books is a lie – then his science is fallacious when he describes how the Earth's crust was formed.
    http://alisina.org/is-islam-for-all-mankind/

    This article shows your deception from another angle . . . this is a classic fit up. I am prepared to go over this – bit by bit to prove it.

    – – –

    "don't make us laugh. "easily and successfully?" My foot. Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims. Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated. "

    First all of all who is "us". . . there is ONLY you . . . no one has commented in support – to show where I am wrong. So which us?

    The arrogance and the ego is astounding.

    – – –

    "Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims."

    You just claim that – I have successfully highlighted – you inept over Prophet Muhammad's name for example. You simple display your hatred, your prejudice, your deception and you lies.

    – – –

    "Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated. "

    Over what exactly? Find it . . . then lets go over it. There is NOT A SINGLE SUCH ARGUMENT SET.

    Which mauling did you do . . . I can easily highlight the opposite. Look at what you did when I pointed out you mistake over the Expanding Universe. Or the "Objectivity" and the little theory you had going . . . and the subsequent hypocrisy.

    Or highlighting your desires over wanting "debates" with know Muslim names. Or how about . . . anyone of your supporters?

    When was this "mauling" and "humiliation" and where is it?

  661. aminriadh says:

    "that is exactly what I am doing. The jury is the public whom I often win. "

    No you are not . . . this is what I – ME – Who has highlighted this . . . why is it you have suddenly seen the light? Your concept was wrong – completely wrong.

    "The jury is the public whom I often win." – merely a claim. Doesn't mean much. If i was at Muslim site for example – I would be getting the praise so to speak. . . yet I know which context to take this in.

    – – –

    "The prosecutor will only present evidence against the suspect. If he had to present the evidence in favor of him to be impartial he would look ridiculous."

    An evidence that still defence – and prosecution make sure is fundamentally sound – and will stand up to the challenge. . . else they will be laughing stock – as it often does happen.

    Also:

    "As a matter of fundamental fairness, a prosecutor is obligated to turn over factual evidence that is favorable to the defendant when the evidence is material to guilt or punishment. "
    http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/The-Advers

    Where as within parameters the defence can hold evidence. Your concept of basic law is very unsound – or else you are willfully being untruthful.

    – – –

    "If the prosecutor or the police have not made their minds why in the hell they charge the suspect and take him to trial?"

    Yes . . . they make their mind – but not on basis of unsound evidence – As i have pointed out – their job isn't to falsify evidence. . . or with hold factual evidence – even if it goes against them.

    Police job is neutrality. And to collate and examine evidence. Just because it appears that Joe Bloggs was standing next to the dead body with the gun in his had – doesn't automatically mean he did the killing. There is a long process of examining evidence – by experts – from various directions – to build a water-tight case. . . which the defence cannot blow apart. But if they find that joe bloggs wasn't the killer . . . then let him go and find the right person.

    Neither do they look at an alleged criminal – and go he looks guilty – lets fit him up.

    – – –

    " The more you defend your case the more ridiculous it sounds. "

    This is simply you saying it – it means nothing – what is ridiculous about it? You ignored that fact that – you were WRONG about what police objectivity is.

    As I have pointed out – you haven't done you job properly – by NOT examining the evidence – which leads to the suspicion – whether out of ignorance or deliberate.

    Which, either way, still does NOT excuse you – it is simply expected and basic to check source material – and not just sponge of the net – and that is it.

    Why else – did you have to self publish – and then give it away free.

    – – –

    I pointed out fundamental errors – in your thinking above . . . yet you ignored them and chose to pursue this argument – it is just going to make you look foolish. . .

    You did not even have the basic grasp . . . what police objectivity meant.

  662. Ali says:

    Classical case of pot calling the kettle black Loki.

    How the hell can you even talk about intellect and theories of probability when you don't understand simple arithmetic.

    When you have a coin you dimwit, there are only 2 possibilities. Heads or Tails. There is no third possibility? How hard is this for you to understand?

    Did you actually finish school or have you just started?

    Either there is a God or there isn't a God. There is no in-between.

    You decided to use probability of sequences in an equation that will only have one of two results and does not require sequences for you and me. You not only failed to grasp Bernoulli Trials, but you also fail to understand the Laws of Large Numbers but pretend to know your Maths..

    I cannot make it simpler than the following:

    To be considered a Bernoulli trial, an experiment must meet each of three criteria:

    1. There must be only 2 possible outcomes, such as: black or red, sweet or sour. One of these outcomes is called a success, and the other a failure. Successes and Failures are denoted as S and F, though the terms given do not mean one outcome is more desirable than the other.

    2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of occurring; a success has the probability of p, and a failure has the probability of 1 – p.

    3. Each experiment and result are completely independent of all others.

    A simple example of a Bernoulli trial is the flipping of a balanced coin. Each of the three criteria are met:

    1. There are only 2 possible outcomes; head or tails.

    2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of 1/2.

    3. The outcome of each flip is independent of the previous flips.

    How many times do you have to keep getting burnt by fire to understand that fire will burn? Pretending to be intelligent is not the same as actually being intelligent. So please give it a rest.

    There is no number of trials here. Just one flip, and that flip will produce heads or tails. Like I stated before, that one flip is death and heads is God and tails there is no God.

    This basic level of understanding is obviously way above your paygrade but come on mate, at least admit your stubborn mule like foolishness and accept 1 in 2 for what it is and not your 25 years of studying garbage probable chances of 26 billion that a black tie is actually a white tie, and I am just saying this because I haven't a clue but must make out like I am intelligent even though I am as thick as 2 planks of wood and have dug myself so deep into a hole that I have no way out.

    Just stop it Loki, just stop it and save whatever little you can.

    Unfortunately your similitude is that of a donkey carrying huge volumes of books but understands them not.

    As Albert Einstein once said, "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

    He was bang on!

  663. aminriadh says:

    "you have a problem with comprehension. Why it is fallacious to look for the evidence against someone? If what I do is fallacious then the entire judicial system of the world is fallacious. "

    The problem of Comprehension is simply yours. This is NOT how the judicial system works. . . . at all.

    The fallacy isn't going looking for evidence . . . it is in your methods. You take anything that goes . . . without authenticating it.

    And I have successfully proven this. Over this ridiculous charade of Prophet Muhammad's original name.

    [Which is the next 2nd comment, the next page]

    You took a partial report and pasted it as the truth . . . without bothering to check the original. Hence you came undone.

    – – –

    "Any why looking for evidence against someone means lying and deceiving? Your thinking is so absurd that it really does not need any response. It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim. "

    See . . . this isn't what I said. You clearly twisted it.

    it isn't about looking for evidence that is wrong. . . . but the methods employed – just becuase something goes against

    Lets take this police example. Our criminal stands accused – police hunt for the evidence – they profile him. 70 people are in favour – 1 isn't.

    Your method – would discard all favourable reports about him – and take the unfavourable report. Without examining any.

    And that is the lying and the deception. Yes – you you have to verify all the reports for authenticity.

    This is where the fallacies start to come in . . . Simply not being objective is fallacious. Taking the exception to the rule is fallacious. Vividly describing an exception – is a separate fallacy.

    I have already – successfully proven this. A lot more to come. Anyone actually interested – read the second comment – over the page.

    – – –

    " It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim. "

    This is simply your stereotype – your prejudice and you hate speaking. I have successfully highlighted – how you have twisted my words – to claim what you wanted.

    What I have actually said . . . is completely different.

  664. Demsci says:

    I have been thinking a lot about this point you bring up about Richard Dawkins saying debating with Harun Yahyah would give the latter undue legitimacy.

    Richard Dawkins is my hero but with what he says according to you I disagree.

    First of all, what would Harun Yahyah's response be? I know he is a bestselling author in Turkey and the Middle East, so apparantly he has many followers, almost all Muslims. He very well might say that it is a cop-out of Dawkins and very arrogant of him.

    And I definitely hope he finds out what you, a fellow-Muslim, fellow Islam-apologist, has to say about him in this regard. And I think with this you went pretty far in disagreement with such a renowned Islamic author. And I think that in a sense, people like Ali Sina provoked you to go this far.

    I do know that Richard Dawkins admires Ayaan Hirsi Ali much and that he often talks about or even with her in an agreeable way. And I for one think Ali Sina and Ayaan Hirsi Ali have a lot in common, agree on a lot in respect to Islam, Democracy and science and both will easily acknowledge that when asked.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been in many debates, the sort Muslims ask Ali Sina to engage in. And I suspect the two are about the same level.

    I keep saying that in a sense Ali Sina is member of a team, that includes Ayaan, and Robert Spencer, and David Wood and many others, including many academical people.

    And it seems to me that you try to make Ali Sina look isolated. And once isolated, you want to discredit him. But that team he belongs too, that it is much more difficult to discredit. And many people in it are up to all manner of academic and logical challenges. They thrive in debates like that.

    And I think it is wrong of Dawkins to snub Yahyah in this way. No debater should be declared illegitimate. High academic standards should be upheld, but experts do also exist to explain well what they know, to all humans who care to listen. And once students listen well, they can attain very high level of understanding and at times beat the experts on some issues.

    And about legitimacy; if it is demanded from Islam-critics, it should then be asked of all, including the originators and scholars of Islam. Their legitimacy derives basically from revelation, but Dawkins puts reason in opposite to that. And how legitimate are the originators of Islam now on account of reason?

    Geoffrey Carr says in megachanges 2050: Good science (and reason) is anarchic and respects only data, not authority. For this it uses testing theory by experiment and if necessary it rejects the wisdom of the ages as a result.

    You on the other hand, use science and logic well, but at the same time you seem to use it only in defense of Islam. And it seems to me that you ultimately will put authority over data, and that you will never reject the wisdom of the ages in Islam.

    In the past some academic Islam-critics and commenters despaired of Muslims able to acknowledge and appreciate the value of academic, scientific, reason-standards.

    But you do use them, provoked by Ali Sina, I think.

    But if you put the debate on a much higher level, with higher standards, then sooner or later this will backfire on you, or Islam-apologists like you, when you eventually get challenged the way you now challenge Ali Sina. When it is you who is asked for the references, statistics and logic of what it is that you hold true.

    And according to me, it was Islam that had to have a watertight case, because Muslim scholars maintain that the Quran is without flaws, as it comes directly from God. But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam. With a significant number of hits he will get very far. And perhaps you can discredit many of his points but never all.

  665. aminriadh says:

    It is interesting to note – I get the down arrows by default – and not on 'merit' as it were. Not only has Sina struggled to account for himself . . . so have his er . . . 'supporters'.

    So where are those who were singing his praises . . . or were they all incarnations of Sina. Surely not!

  666. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    50% chance of heads while coin is in air. 0% when its tail 100% when its heads in result. So there are two probabilities 0% and 100% with 50% chance of both.

    Lets analyze probability with binary system 0 and 1. There is probability of 0 or 1 with 50% chance on both.

    Remember baby coin is still in air !

    I don't like on arguing half filled glass claiming to be half empty ! Please replace Classical theory of probability with common sense. Next time BRING ME RESULTS

  667. aminriadh says:

    "If you read more you will see I reject the claim that Ibrahim was the son of Muhammad. "

    Which still does not mean that before rejection that you mention the names of all Children. It is simply reasonable to accept to find something common to be there as is.

    – – –

    "This you can find also in second edition that you have but ask me for the fourth edition. "

    Which for whatever reason – Sina did not do. He repeats this lie and personal attack whenever he finds the opportunity.

    – – –

    "Now that you have decided to read the book at least read a more updated version of it. "

    I have read this book – I read the book before I came to this site – I have said quite early on – that I have read this book in a few comments.

    A point to note – Sina returned the email empty – after promising to send me the book. He didn't. Read into that what you will.

    – – –

    He has no way to back-track that he was going to prove that I haven't read the nonsensical book. Temper!

    Why doesn't he just move on . . . yet he repeats the lie at every opportunity. To this point – he hasn't proven that I haven't read the book.

    I would have gone through the whole book bit by bit analysing it – he will probably still maintain this lie.

    – – –

    Interestingly enough – I was successfully able to extract from the persona "Fan Sina" that she hadn't read the book . . . yet she was the person who asked me a question over it.

    Which when I successfully answered – she made an excuse. . . this is when Sina jumped in and made the the strange allegation and attack.

    Yet – when I asked 'Fan Sina' a question in return – she admitted she hadn't read the book. The question from the 1st chapter. Page 8!

  668. aminriadh says:

    "It depends where it is recorded. "

    But it doesn't SIMPLY depend on where it is recorded . . . there are many many more issues. For example – if a large majority say something else – and there is simply one person contradicting it.

    Or . . .

    Authenticity of the reporters – are there any gaps between the narrators – from beginning to the end.

    And etc. There are many different as aspects. That is why there is a complete science behind it.

    – – –

    " If it were recorded in books written by the enemies of Islam you would have had a point. But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it."

    Regarding this particular report:

    But here is your deception . . . you cut the report up – to try and make it unfavourable. Even then . . . what you claim is in contradiction to the report. For example – where did the meaning of the word Quthem come from? This is where your alleged "unfavourable" comes from.

    Otherwise what is so unpalatable about the suggestion that the boy was named after his uncle?

    Generally:

    "But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it. "

    Just because something is recorded does not make it true. How do you know – where a particular report has come from? It could be from anyone.

    Then – there are book that simply record the reports – but they are later rejected or accepted by someone who is a specialist at doing that – or someone who has examined it and found errors.

    – – –

    "But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it."

    You do this during your book – you cut up reports to make them unfavourable – then leave out whatsoever is contradictory.

  669. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Yes I am not a debatorian I am emperor ! I don't have friends I have slaves wanna join?

  670. aminriadh says:

    " Muhammad refused to pray at her grave saying Allah prohibited him to pray for the unbelievers. So clearly the story of Amina’s dream is damage control. "

    Sina has already stated – and made clear – that he did not start out to objectively to portray Prophet Muhammad – but he had his bias there. Hence he would do anything

    I mean this:

    “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.”

    is floating around the internet – the exact wording – I haven't traced it – who it is by. Sina hasn't examined where it came from or what it really says. Then I highlighted its deception. . . was he interested in the rights and wrongs – no.

    Same thing with the meaning of the word Qathem – he gave his reference – an internet video by a Christian. Again he did not verify the evidence . . . he simply took it to be true
    And now – he cannot account for it.

    Of course that video does not bother mentioning that Muslims account leads to that Prophet Muhammad was simply named after his Uncle. And this one report – so far.

    I said this before – there has to be extremely strong reason for a singular report to go against many others of stronger authenticity. . .

    Sina hasn't provided any.

    – – –

    He quoted this incomplete report – and left out vital info – when it is pointed out – he simply changes tack.

    I know he does not understand Arabic – and that is a deficiency – as he has to rely on secondary material – but this does not excuse deliberate misleads.

    He simply was not aware of the full section that is devoted by Halabi. He read this and took it to be true – without a question. Just because it matched his bias. Shouldn't it be his job to actually examine all evidence.

    His book is put together by mostly finding material online – hence it is severely amateurish – hence he had to self-publish.

    Earlier Sina gave alluded to police work as his procedure . . . yet wouldn't the police be embarrassed if they pull this kind of tactic – and then the defence lawyer highlights the obvious basic error?

    – – –

    Does Sina except this report or not . . . no he doesn't in its entirety. He has given no basis for accepting – part of this report – other than already declared bias. And that is simply deceptive and completely unacceptable.

    = = =

    Note: Sina was going to give me the 4th Edition of the book – he didn't do so . . . I don't know the reason for refusal. The email came back empty.

  671. aminriadh says:

    "Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet."

    Which embarrassing claim . . . where is it? If they were going to cover this up . . . why not just get rid of it? There were centuries available to do that? Before book publishing

    When it suits Sina – he hold those same people to be true – when it doesn't – the same people are scoundrels. This is fallacious at a basic level – law of contradiction. Yet there are well defined principles and methods of examining History. . . he employs none.

    – – –

    "Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet."

    Why must she have known? This is NOT what sh dreamed – only that she was going to call him Muhammad. This is the extent of this particular report.

    – – –

    "There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. "

    Then why mention it . . . such tactics are logically fallacious. I had this "debate" out with you . . . and you cowered away back then. . . . over rationality and what you erroneously believed it to be.

    The basis is the belief in God. All such miracles are simply secondary:

    If you believe in an Omnipotent God – then that God can make anything happen.

    So in view of that . . . why would the above be either impossible or ridiculous. You regularly do this – trying to garner support for your argument. But it doesn't work. Yet is looks impressive to the converted supporters – but anyone either objective or neutral will see this attempt as nothing but fallacious.

    – – –

    "The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? "

    Hz. Amina, she died before her child became the Prophet. Whether she believed or did not believe – is simply irrelevant.

    – – –

    "If you read more from my book"

    This is your continuous lie against me. . . and it is completely baseless. You seem to have difficulty sticking to an argument – without personal attacks.

    – – –

    "Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet."

    Which embarrassing claim . . . where is it?

    – – –

    "Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet."

    Why must she have known? This is NOT what sh dreamed – only that she was going to call him Muhammad. This is the extent of this particular report.

    – – –

    "There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. "

    Then why mention it . . . such tactics are logically fallacious. I had this "debate" out with you . . . and you cowered away back then. . . . over rationality and what you erroneously believed it to be.

    The basis is the belief in God. All such miracles are simply secondary:

    If you believe in an Omnipotent God – then that God can make anything happen.

    So in view of that . . . why would the above be either impossible or ridiculous. You regularly do this – trying to garner support for your argument. But it doesn't work. Yet is looks impressive to the converted supporters – but anyone either objective or neutral will see this attempt as nothing but fallacious.

    – – –

    "The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? "

    Hz. Amina, she died before her child became the Prophet. Whether she believed or did not believe – is simply irrelevant.

    – – –

    "If you read more from my book"

    This is your continuous lie against me. . . and it is completely baseless. You have difficulty sticking to an argument – without resorting to Personal Attacks. He has done this before. . . over the word Musayoon. It simply emphasises that he is not interested in in the truth at all.

    – – –

  672. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I knew I am human being since I was sixteen or else I would have conquered this earth in three minutes lol

    I have answered your questions and overlooked your hatred about some scholars.Read (ii) para with helper. Its up to you how you manifest truth depend on read para(iii) . I think these scholars are open and visible to be challenged !

  673. Ali says:

    Might not know nothing, but I am a genius compared to you Loki, a genius. In every way, shape and form.

    That is one thing I do know.

    Did you see that TV come out your wall?

    I thought as much!

    Run along now, class is calling.

    😉

  674. Loki says:

    You made it clear you don't want to debate.
    Probably that's because you can't. I have seen you rarely put an argument together.

    So why were you crying like a little girl "It's so difficult to debate" when you don't want to?
    At least show that you're worth talking to. Do you have some friends?

  675. Loki says:

    You didn't answer any of my questions.
    Another troll.

    But sometimes you do show dormant signs of Intelligence, which makes me hopeful.
    Perhaps someday you'll realize that you're a human being.

  676. Loki says:

    I already "see" results in front of my eyes! So I think I'm not wasting my time. Every protest against Islamofascism is a step in the right direction.

    But yes I'm wasting my time arguing with idiots like Ali who think tossing a coin always gives him 50% chance of heads. And when I tell him, go open the first page and "read" the Classical theory of probability he doesn't!
    And keeps on repeating the same old banality.
    Teaching an idiot isn't a waste of time.Teaching an idiot who doesn't want to learn, is.

  677. Ali says:

    As the Quran advises us for the likes of you:

    7:9 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.

    See Ya (Professor) Loki.

  678. Loki says:

    I won't take that nonsense who doesn't know that tossing a coin doesn't ensure a 50% chance of heads.It can be 0% to 100%.Tossing a "fair" coin does.

    Enjoy your Alian theory of probability, but still it won't be true.
    🙂

    Your arguments against Atheism are so lame, they don't deserve a comment.

    I don't hate you, I hate fascist ideologies like Islam. You are trying to stamp me for hating because you have no arguments for your case.
    You can say I pity you.This will be my last response to you, for I don't talk to idiots who argue on subjects they know NOTHING about.

  679. Loki says:

    "Here, maybe this will help:
    Example: what is the probability of getting a "Head" when tossing a coin?
    Number of ways it can happen: 1 (Head)
    Total number of outcomes: 2 (Head and Tail)
    So the probability = 1 of 2 = 0.5 "

    Wrong. It can be any value between 0 and 1. Get your basics right. Only tossing a "fair" coin will give you 0.5.
    Repeating the Alian theory of probability 100 times won't make it right.

    Your allegations on atheists have been refuted so many times,they are a bunch of jokes.I won't even qualify those hollow arguments by talking about them.

    Being a minority isn't at all a factor.Non-nazis were a minority in Hitler's Germany.So what?

    Yes enjoy your life in which "Ignorance is Bliss". LOL

  680. Ali says:

    @Ali Sina.

    Raj did try to defend you when I suggested the pot calling the kettle black at you and he said that if Mohammed and you are both mad, then leave both of them.

    His exact words were:

    'Ok, so now you acknowledge that so far you have been fkd by Mohammad. That Mohammad is mad, and in the same token you say that Ali Sina is mad.

    Then leave both the mad persons'

    So I in turn asked if he had left you yet, as he does hold you in high regard and takes your views and research as his measuring yardstick. So he must lead by example. To which he agreed.

    So this is where we are at. As long as he denounces you in the manner I prescribed, I will denounce Mohammed in the same manner.

    I can't get fairer than that?

  681. Ali says:

    @Raj.

    Can you start with the public denouncing of Ali Sina exactly how I asked you to, and I will follow suit.

    Don't try and squirm your way out of it please. Try and get the denouncing out the way before the dung worshipping as this may effect your rationale and you might just backtrack!

    I am waiting.

    Start now please. 😀

  682. Ali says:

    But this is where you always go wrong Ali Sina. You tend to clutch at straws just so you can try and prove you were right. I told you before not to use the 'strawman's' approach.

    To the contrary.

    We must also note that Bloom's experiment which you quoted, is even open to misinterpretation by himself. He seems to approach his "discovery" as a Darwinist.

    A century after Rousseau, Charles Darwin argued that our moral nature is to put it in today's parlance, "hardwired" into us by evolution. From Darwin's perspective, finding that all babies respond in a moral way to a simple morality play only means that such a response has proven in the distant past, in some common ancestor of the human species, to be of some significant benefit to survival.

    Consequently, the response isn't really moral in the deepest, most important sense because by "morality" an evolutionist means only "a set of beneficial social traits." These traits mean nothing more or less than other beneficial traits we find in other animals, such as camouflaging coloration or thicker fur in the winter.

    From his various other statements, Bloom appears to be a secular Darwinist. It is not clear that he understands the full implications of what that means for morality.

    Furthermore, the following questions and points must also be taken into account concerning this 'scientific' breakthrough you are so harping on about:

    Was it published in a scientific journal?

    Has it been retracted?

    Is the article really a research paper?

    Is the article generally relevant to the claims being made?

    Is the article specifically relevant to the claims being made?

    Is the topic of the article suitable for the field that the journal covers?

    What is the reputation of the journal globally?

    What is the reputation of the journal in the specific field?

    What is the impact factor of the journal?

    Does the journal apply peer-review?

    Was this particular study peer-reviewed?

    Who are the authors of the paper?

    How was the study funded?

    Does the abstract accurately reflect the study?

    Does the introduction cover the existing literature well enough?

    Does the introduction state a precise aim of the study?

    Is the research design suitable for the aim?

    Is there sufficient sample size?

    Is the method described clearly enough?

    Does the paper use an appropriate control group?

    Is there a placebo treatment given to the control group?

    Was the research design double-blinded?

    Does the paper attempt to control for important confounders?

    Is group assignment randomized or use a technique to reach a similar goal?

    Is the statistical analysis appropriate for the research design?

    Does the statistical analysis contain any obvious mathematical errors?

    Does the study use p-values or effect size and confidence intervals?

    Does the study separate statistical significance from practical significance?

    Is the results practically significant in the scientific context?

    Is it likely that the the study used data dredging in any subgroup analysis?

    Does the conclusion of the study accurately reflect the results?

    Does the paper investigate alternative explanations for the data obtained?

    Does the article discuss limitations of the study design?

    Can the results generalized to other populations?

    Has the results been independently replicated?

    Is the study supported or contradicted by earlier studies?

    Does the article have any commentary from other individual scientists?

    What is the general appraisal of the impact of the study by scientists in the field?

    Does the study conform or contradict a scientific consensus position (should one exist)?

    Conclusion

    Additionally, Bloom's study comes as something of a shock to the long line of sociologists and psychologists who held dogmatically to the belief that human beings are natural non-moral, and that all morality is therefore artificially contrived by the various societies into which children are variously born.

    If Bloom is right, then babies wherever they are born are innately, although inchoately, moral, and societies, however much they vary, blossom morally from this common seed.

    So you see Ali Sina, no matter which way you look at it, your argument against Islam and morality loses.

  683. aminriadh says:

    The only reason he get so many responses is . . .

    I have left it unsaid.

  684. aminriadh says:

    "but the very fact that you think it is appropriate to ridicule me as great when neither me nor anyone else has ever made such ridiculous claim proves mystery works. "

    But you do er . . . big your self up to epic proportions . .

    especially about that ridiculous book – which you have self-published.

    And the even more ridiculous charade around it.

    – – –

    Then there are claims about Muslim and Islam – and of grandiose self-importance. . . they all add up as a great ego.

  685. Ali says:

    Like I said Loki, don't hate mate, don't hate.

    Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as retarded as someone claiming to come from nothing, going to nothing, getting nothing, but claiming something but cannot understand the meaning of 1 of 2.

    Oh my God, a brand new car has just developed itself in my garage, hold on a sec, a new helicopter has just created itself in my back yard, there's more……………, while I was just typing, a new 60 inch smart TV just appeared on my wall created all by itself.

    You must believe me as you hold the view that we also came from thin air. If you look closely at your wall Loki, you will also see that smart TV. Can you see it? Of course you can. It just came there from nowhere.

    I know, it hurts!

    ROTFLMAO 😀

  686. Ali says:

    Like I said to you before Loki, you will always be 50% worse off.

    In order to save some face and clutch at straws, you tried unsuccessfully to use probability in your stance to justify a simple 1 in 2 possibility.

    Here, maybe this will help:

    Example: what is the probability of getting a "Head" when tossing a coin?

    Number of ways it can happen: 1 (Head)

    Total number of outcomes: 2 (Head and Tail)

    So the probability = 1 of 2 = 0.5

    We come across people like you regularly. They tend to be difficult for the sake of being difficult and pretend to know what they are talking about without really grasping the issue at hand, especially when they have been put in check. Just like what you have done.

    Instead of just accepting the universally agreed 1 in 2 description, you've decided to use probability formulae confusing it with a straight yes or no, into how many times there will be a yes or no. This issue was not how many time we will get a yes or how many times we will get a no, or the number of sequences of the yes and no.

    This is the problem here. You failed to understand the straight up 1 of 2 and decided to rant on about sequences. This is known as changing the goalposts in layman's terms.

    You actually do need to take some advice from Academics in order to understand where you have gone wrong and they will gladly point out your flaws. I cannot be blamed for your lack of understanding. You must take responsibility for your own stupidity.

    Moving onto your final comment, if you want me to fight fire with fire then I'll oblige. It is you Atheists that have killed far more humans than any other set of people throughout history and are the real threat to humanity.

    You guys are the minority, have always been the minority and always will be the minority, but have taken more lives and caused more chaos and anarchy than any religious based system.

    You have no ground or audience to even spiel your venom as you guys are public enemy number one. The proof is in the pudding.

    You guys have no measuring yardstick therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.

    So you see, it is your BS venomous ways that are unpardonable for the next generation of children and not ours.

    In any democracy, the majority always win and rule and not the minority. Are you Atheists not the minority?

    I rest my case.

    I will now go and enjoy my 50% 'always better than you' lifestyle, while you think of another probability formulae concerning what colour pants to wear today!

  687. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    This is the second time you mentioned how much you love devout clerics lol

    Where in Quran ?!!!

  688. Fansina says:

    Sorry I meant 72 virgins and not 72 terrorists

  689. Fansina says:

    All devout clerics find truth in the promise of 72 terrorists and it is also in the quran.

  690. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You are hopeless stupid. There is no promise of 72 virgins for terrorists or suicide bombers anywhere in the Quran.

    There is allegory , simile, science , metaphor , philosophy , psychology , anthropology , theology and more …. in Quran. But Quran is not allegorical, scientific , philosophical , psychological, theological …. book, Quran is Quran.

    Helper : Try to understand this God is Love but Love(Only) is not God

    Have you tried to write a single sentence which can be understood by all human irrespective of their IQ levels, socioeconomic levels, state of minds, physiological built with logic at the same time without logic.

    Your dense complex ego is blockade in understanding. Try submitting will to almighty , you will realize to know what is in it for you.

  691. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Yes I don't waste time in debating. But you are totally wasting time all over here coz burning your ass pseudologically you won't find any result.

  692. Loki says:

    But I was interested to see that you said that the verse is an allegory.
    That's progress you know!
    Why not look at the Quran like an Allegorical book, and derive simple principles out of it rather than rigid rules?
    That will be a big step towards Emancipation of muslims.

    What do you say about a certain Zakir Naik who claims Quran has the Big Bang Theory, "A very accurate description of human Embryology"(oh, can I be more thankful that he is not a practicing doctor!? How many lives would he have screwed up? Of course now he is only screwing their minds.), that the Earth is shaped like an Ostrich's egg?
    Or about a Yusuf Estes who claims Evolution is mentioned in Quran?
    They claim the Quran is 100% scientifically accurate! An allegorical book can't be claimed to be Scientific, right? Science isn't poetry?!

  693. Loki says:

    I know I'm wasting my time even talking to you.
    But I really want to help you here.

    See you find debating tough because:-
    1. Your intention is not to debate, but something else.
    2. You suck at it.

  694. Loki says:

    It's not hate, it's satire 🙂

    Of course, how'd you know the difference?
    Don't talk about Darwinism. Who knows, you might as well invent a new Alism for yourself, like you invented the "Alian theory of Probability" 🙂

  695. Loki says:

    "I have showed you your flaws using your own reasoning. 1 in 2 is 50/50 despite what you say and especially with death and God."

    You have showed nothing except your callous ignorance LOL
    You invented a new definition of probability to hide your blatant screw up on 'odds'.You talked like a moron on Bernoulli trials when Bernoulli trials work on the basal understanding of probability itself!! How lame is that?

    "I am the one who is happy doing what I am doing, I am the one who has no worries in the world.. how am I embarrassing myself?"

    Even drug-addicts and alcoholics feel the same.
    I don't give a damn how rich or intelligent or pretty you are.I'm not a lowlife like you who needs to boast about his/her achievements on an website.Does this look an advert site to you?If you want some adverts talk to Sina.
    Fact is, you had to invented your own probability theory to hide your screw up.
    One of these days you might say Christiano Ronaldo is the president of US, and then claim that he actually is, not Obama! That's your standard. Every second I talked to you is a waste.
    That's where you embarrassed yourself.
    And you're either extremely stupid or a liar to not see where you 'embarrassed' yourself.

    "109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
    109:2 I worship not that which ye worship"

    I've read all that crap, don't waste few kbs on garbage.

    "109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine. "

    I wouldn't give a rat's ass if you had just 'worshiped'. You may worship the dung beetle,why do I care? But you don't stop at that, you darken the mind of children with your hate-filled diatribe. That's unpardonable.

  696. denialisnoproof says:

    zakir nalayak choothiya

  697. Ali Sina says:

    Some of your comments are smart and some of them like this are really stupid. If you want response from me elevate your level. I see you can when you want to.

  698. Ali Sina says:

    “According to atheism, we are but matter in motion, evolving from rocks and slime over billions of years. We supposedly arose from organisms that have no sense of morality. Animals eat their young, kill their mates, and steal the food of any animal from which they can successfully take it—whether friend, foe, or family member. Atheists allege that we are animals.

    Therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.”

    You need to educate yourself more about the theory of evolution. Atheists believe humans drive from animals, but that does not mean we are still animal. We actually believe humans have evolved from bacteria. Does that mean we are bacteria? Just as grapes that are born out of dirt are not dirt anymore, we humans are born out of animal kingdom but we are not animals anymore. Biologically we are the same. We share 97% of our genes with chimps. What makes us different is our bigger brain and the evolution of our frontal cortex. This is the part that is responsible for empathy and consciousness, self analysis and introspection. So we are aware of our actions and the impact that they can have on others. This awareness gives us also responsibility. We become the keepers of our brothers. That is new in humans. This change is the result of our evolution. There is no need for humans to be religious to be good. In fact some religions make us bad and others are superfluous.

  699. Ali Sina says:

    ” Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.

    This is an asininity. Since humans are born as moral beings. Once they realize there is not God they will be more responsible in their conduct. I can’t talk about others but at least I know what is going on in my own mind. I love the taste of stake. Yet I am impelled by my morality to not eat meat. I fight the temptation by thinking about the suffering of an innocent creature who is endowed with feelings like mine. Until I was a believer I did not have to think because someone else had done all the thinking for me and all I had to do was to follow. As a non-believer, I know I have to find the right path on my own and there is no guidance beyond my own judgement and conscience. So instead of ignoring my conscience now I put that to work.

    I am not saying all religious people lack ethics. It all depends whom they follow. If they follow a good guru, like Jesus, Buddha and Zoroaster they can be good people, but if they follow psychopaths like Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara and Muhammad they can do horrendous things with clear conscience.

    I prefer to be responsible for my action than to follow a good guru. But if you prefer to follow, at least follow someone better than a psychopath Muhammad. You can’t find someone worst than him if you searched the world.

  700. Ali Sina says:

    ” It is the inner light that God has given to every one of us, and it leaves us without excuse for our sin.

    This is what you fail to grasp or you actually do understand but fail to accept openly. ”

    Not so fast cowboy. You accuse me of what you are guilty of yourself.

    I am the one who believes morality is innate in humans. It is you (as a follower of Muhammad) who believes humans are born as pervert and sinners and they need the heavy hand of religion to bring them to the right path.

    Now since I have shown the scientific study that show six month old children know about justice, it is clear that they were not thought this. We know instinctively, yes instinctively, that abusing others and violating their rights is wrong. But Muslims don’t belief that. They justify abusing the rights of non Muslims because they think Allah had told them to do so.

    If you really believe in what you say then you must leave Islam because Muhammad did not believe in that.

  701. Ali Sina says:

    “Why do all civilizations have the knowledge that it’s wrong to lie, kill, steal, etc.?”

    Humans are born as moral beings. Study reveal babies know the difference between good and evil at six months. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275574/B

    Religion does not turn humans moral. On the contrary some religions, like Islam reduce moral people into unethical and immoral beings. People who are not indoctrinated with Islam do not hate those who hold views contrary to theirs. They do not advocate killing others, raiding and raping those who don’t agree with them. Muslims do all these things with a clear conscience through indoctrination.

    Muslims believe one can become najis (filthy) simply by holding a view contrary to Islam. This is scientific absurdity but a Muslim who surrenders his rational ability has no problem believing in absurdities.

    So children are born moral and ethical but some doctrines such as Islam reduces them into immoral and monstrous people.

  702. Ali Sina says:

    Who said I work 2, 3 jobs. I live off rentals and work exclusively to eradicate Islam. This is my only mission and project.

  703. Ali Sina says:

    ” so what’s the point of still hiding as though you are a great mystery?”

    It is this mystery that makes someone like you say “The great Ali Sina”. You do that out of sarcasm but the very fact that you think it is appropriate to ridicule me as great when neither me nor anyone else has ever made such ridiculous claim proves mystery works.

  704. Ali Sina says:

    “Just because something is recorded – it does not make it true.”

    It depends where it is recorded. If it were recorded in books written by the enemies of Islam you would have had a point. But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it. Alternatively, when Muslims attribute miracles to Muhammad, there i no reason to believe it.

  705. Ali Sina says:

    Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet. Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet. There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? How do we know she did not believe? If you read more from my book you will find that Muhammad refused to pray at her grave saying Allah prohibited him to pray for the unbelievers. So clearly the story of Amina’s dream is damage control.

  706. Ali Sina says:

    “Although the main body of the text was pointing to that. But the footnote and its language is general – it does not specify that this is just about Khadijah.”

    If you read more you will see I reject the claim that Ibrahim was the son of Muhammad. This you can find also in second edition that you have but ask me for the fourth edition. Now that you have decided to read the book at least read a more updated version of it.

  707. Ali Sina says:

    “You must publicly denounce Ali Sina by stating that he is a liar, is psychologically insane and imbalanced,”

    No one should follow me. I have not started a cult for anyone to follow me. I have always said don’t follow anyone. Be your own prophet. Following is for sheep.

    Now why someone should denounce me, call me a liar and a psychologically insane and imbalance to prove he is not following me? You follow Muhammad, a man whom I have proven to be a mentally insane person, a liar and a conman, along with other adjectives such as pedophile, thief, mass murderer, etc. You have no shame following such a depraved sick man and will not denounce him. Yet you demand people denounce me and slander me to prove they are freethinkers? Something is screwed in your brain baddie and I know what it is? It is Islam. All those who follow an insane person become insane by emulating him.

  708. Ali Sina says:

    “Then matters to get to court – The defence and Prosecution present their cases . . . . Judge/Jury is the one that decides.”

    that is exactly what I am doing. The jury is the public whom I often win.

    The prosecutor will only present evidence against the suspect. If he had to present the evidence in favor of him to be impartial he would look ridiculous. If the prosecutor or the police have not made their minds why in the hell they charge the suspect and take him to trial? The more you defend your case the more ridiculous it sounds.

    “Police objectivity – comes from staying NEUTRAL and dealing with the facts.”

    As far as police is concerned everyone is a suspect until proven innocent. However when evidence mounts against the suspect they will submit their case to the prosecutor. With evidence in their hand they will no longer remain impartial. They have their suspect and will strive to collect as much evidence against him to bring him to trial.

    I was impartial in 1994 when I started reading the Quran. Actually that is not true. At that time I was biased in favor of Islam. Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam.

    “As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards”

    don’t make us laugh. “easily and successfully?” My foot. Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims. Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated.

  709. Ali Sina says:

    “This is logically fallacious, on several counts . . . and it shows that you will also lie and deceive to do so.”
    you have a problem with comprehension. Why it is fallacious to look for the evidence against someone? If what I do is fallacious then the entire judicial system of the world is fallacious.

    Any why looking for evidence against someone means lying and deceiving? Your thinking is so absurd that it really does not need any response. It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim.

  710. aminriadh says:

    "How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references."

    How do you know?

    When I asked you question . . .

    You said – you still have the book to read.

    I asked you a question from page 8. Which is the 1st chapter.

    And you couldn't answer?

    So how can you speak about the whole book?

    – – – –

    Just because something is backed by references – it doesn't mean it true automatically.

    References can be wrong . . . or mismatched and etc.

    – – –

    "Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion."

    Which similarities are you talking about. . .

    this is a meaningless sentences.

    And an open lie . . . as you have already said – you have yet to read the bloody book.

  711. aminriadh says:

    "How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references."

    HOw do you know?

    When I asked you question . . .

    You said – you still have the book to read.

    I asked you a question from page 8. Which is the 1st chapter.

    And you couldn't answer?

    So how can you speak about the whole book?

    – – – –

    Just becuase something is backed by references – it doesn't mean it true automatically.

    References can be wrong . . . or mismatched and etc.

    – – –

    "Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion."

    Which similarirties are you talking about. . .

    this is a meaningless sentences.

    And an open lie . . . as you have already said – you have yet to read the bloody book.

  712. aminriadh says:

    "My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim."

    This is logically fallacious, on several counts . . . and it shows that you will also lie and deceive to do so. Hence – your book has no academic value or merit. It simply does not stand up to stringent measures and rigour. It is simply DISHONEST

    – – –

    "Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect's denials and praises that he made about himself? "

    Oh dear me . . . I genuinely thought you had more brains than this. Police do build a case – but not convict.

    They still sift through information – to find what is right and wrong.

    For example:

    He said that – But She said something else – However his statement contradicts her – so which one is telling the truth – if any?

    Then matters to get to court – The defence and Prosecution present their cases . . . . Judge/Jury is the one that decides.

    – – –

    "When police wants to determine the guilt of a suspect, they interrogate him. The suspect will claim innocence and deny having anything to do with the crime."

    Yes . . . but police try to PROVE that his denials are wrong – and it is NOT them that argue it out.

    There job is fact finding . . . if the case is presentable – THEN it is sent forward. Else it isn't.

    – – –

    "This is absurd thinking. It is not my job to believe or give any credence to Muhammad's lofty claims about himself. As far as I am concerned they are all lies. "

    Yet – it is YOUR absurd thinking . . . As far as I am concerned your book all of it BULLSHIT. But I still . . . prove it – by highlighting inaccuracies – deception and untruth.

    I employ the standards – you CLEARLY by YOUR OWN ADMISSION – don't.

    – – –

    "My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation. Once Muhammad is proven a liar, who cares how many times he praised himself? "

    But how are you going to prove someone a liar . . . by lying?

    I will show – that YOU are the liar. . . and present my case. By giving the large number of "lies" – "fabrications" and "deceptions" and "inconsistencies" and "fallacies" and "discrepancies" and etc.

    Hence – your own case has to be water tight. . . As I have shown – it simply isn't. Even from the start – look at the gaping holes . . .

    – – –

    "Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect's denials and praises that he made about himself?"

    Police objectivity – comes from staying NEUTRAL and dealing with the facts . . . they are subject to standards . . . for example lets say – a right nasty shit – whom they do not like – they arrest him over an alleged crime – but then they tamper with the evidence to fit him up . . . and send him to the court to be sentenced.

    Here is POLICE OBJECTIVITY coming to play . . . . .

    As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards – as academics do – but you will do ANYTHING . . . "to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God."

    Even to lie and deceive. . . . and whatnot. If you don't even have these simple concepts . . .
    my God . . . . you're a bigger "fool/deceiver" than I gave you credit for!

  713. Raj_Humanity says:

    Ok, I will denounce Ali Sina as mad. In the same breath, I will denounce Mohammad as a fucking bastard, an illegitimate child, a thorough beast, rapist and a pedophile.

    You too will repeat the same words? Are you willing to leave Islam? You sure? You will not revert back?

    Are you willing to call Mohammad as a pedophile, as a rapist, as thug, as a looter, as a womanizer, as an opportunist, as a false prophet?

    Are you ready to attack Islam, its terrorism, its bastard and rapist prophet? Its pedophile prophet? Quran as totally made up and false? As Mohammad not having seen Gabriel? As Mohammad being a narcissist? As Mohammad having NPD, TLE and OCD? As Mohammad worse than Hitler?

    As Mohammad being the most evil person to have come on the Earth? Are you willing to swear against Mohammad?

    I am in full agreement and willing to do as you have mentioned above.

    So I am waiting for your denial and denouncement of Mohammad.

    Now the ball is in your court.

  714. aminriadh says:

    I said:

    "He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays."

    Sina replied:

    "Apart from the fact this subject is irrelevant and trivial here is the rational argument to defend it. "

    However Sina fails to explain – why the practice was uncommon – this is matter of historical accuracy – not what his imagination and making things up. If this "subject" was irrelevant – why did you include it in the first place? Then why did you further used this as a basis for further elaboration?

    He has claimed something as historical fact – and now he refuses to provide evidence for his claim.

    – – –

    "Mecca had probably 20,000 to 30,000 inhabitants. After all it was called Ummul Qura. "

    Probabaly? Again – it is also probably untrue. This is matter of historical references . . . not plucking figures out of thin air.

    "After all it was called Ummul Qura."

    This does not point to how many number of residences Makkah had. Also the word "Qariyah" has become to be known as a village – center of small population. Connotations of this word – contradict what you call. Also this part of Arabia was relatively obscure – there were no great cities in comparison.

    Mecca – through out the centuries has rarely been what you would call center of Muslim power. Its greatest significance has always been the Kabah.

    – – –

    "Arabs used to have constant children. Each had more than a dozen."

    – – –

    "However, in the year Muhammad was born only ten children were given to be fostered away. In in that year 500 new children were born, 10 out of 500 is negligible. "

    References? Not figure plucking from thin air.

    – – –

    "Khadijah was a wealthy woman.She could easily afford paying foster mothers to take care of her children. But she raised them all on her own. "

    This does in no way – show if she breast-fed her own children or not.

    – – –

    "This practice is not in accordance with human nature. Mothers can't easily part with their babies."

    One can make same assumption about many things . . . for example sending children to boarding school. For example in Britain this practice is attached to wealthy and people of certain class.

    "If they do, as Amina did, there must be some reason."

    Yes – this WAS practice of the ruling classes of that time. Following from the above – there are numerous practices that can be deemed as "against human nature" belonging to some societies or other. . . . whilst practice by others. . . . circumcision for example.

    – – –

    "In the case of Amina, we find no logical reason except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried. Why in the wold a single mother who is not wealthy would not raise her own child and give it to someone else to raise it? It just makes no sense. "

    "except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried." mere speculation. You ignore the fact that the Child belonged to the ruling clan. A certain standard to maintain.

    For example – Abu Lahab (his uncle) in joy sent a wet nurse. The child was given direct protection of the grandfather – who was the chieftain. Then the guardianship moved to Abu Talib, who was the subsequent leader.

    According to the traditions of that time – she probably did not have the choice in the matter.

    – – –

    Rather than exploring these issue – in a historical context – Sina declares them irrelevant and trivial – yet he still expounds on them – and uses this as basis. After discarding historical evidence . . . he attempts "rational argument"

    But as explored . . . where is the rational argument? To portray your own perspectives and speculation as such leads to logically fallacious arguments.

  715. Ali says:

    Not so quick Raj. You might outsmart the local village donkey in your neck of the woods, but we humans are slightly more intelligent.

    You must publicly denounce Ali Sina by stating that he is a liar, is psychologically insane and imbalanced, you do not follow any of his teachings, rationale, advice, viewpoints or ideologies. By using him as your role model you have been duped, he is a warmonger, everything he says is BS, he is out to fleece the public, is an enemy to mankind and should not be listened to at any cost.

    Additionally, everything he alleges against Mohammed, he also subscribes to the same and is no different in any way, shape or form and thus the 'pot calling the kettle black' is in fact a statement of Truth concerning both Ali Sina and Mohammed because they are both identical in their claims and viewpoints. So not only denounce Mohammed, I also denounce Ali Sina in the exact same manner and accuse him of the same he has accused Mohammed of.

    He has no grasp of the Arabic language, all his home made books are a lie and me (Raj) will from this day onward be the greatest critic of Ali Sina and openly challenge everything he says to be wrong and he must show himself to the public to prove he exists and is not just merely a pawn looking for a cheap payday. I finally see him for who or what he is. A psychopathic delusional lying charlatan. I am also a fool for claiming to be a Hindu, then and Atheist, then a Hindu, then an Atheist and until now I have been lost and am very confused. I believe there is One True God, but cannot bring myself into accepting him as Ali Sina has confused me into Atheism even though I subscribe to Hinduism which is totally man made and is wrong but I still do the idol worshipping, but I (Raj) and am blinded and am too stupid to see the light.

    I subscribe to the Golden Rule which is pinched from Christianity, am too ignorant to think on my own, thus the deceit by Ali Sina.

    Once you can do this with no reservation, I will follow suit.

    You did agree in your post that both were mad, so leave both of them.

    The floor is yours Raj.

  716. aminriadh says:

    "Ibrahim was the son of Mariyah who was born when Muhammad was already sixty. I was talking about the children he had with Khadijah. "

    Although the main body of the text was pointing to that. But the footnote and its language is general – it does not specify that this is just about Khadijah.

    An evidence pointing against this is – that this would be contrary evidence to Sina's theory of impotency.

    – – – –

    "Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name. "

    Note: There is no reference for this given . . . hence this is simply an allegation.

    – – –

    "Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do. "

    By this Sina is making himself – feel better . . . . as he alleged (now false) a claim that I hadn't read his book. Which I obviously had.

    He implies by "keep reading" – that he has dealt with this issue – which he hasn't. There are no further mentions of "abd al menaf"

    – – –

    "If you don't have the 4th edition let me know and I will send it to you. "

    I have emailed him at least 3 times . . . and i have left my email here a few times – he has never responded – again this is quite deceptive.

    Isn't it?

    For the record – [email protected]

  717. aminriadh says:

    "Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma'mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son)."

    – – – –

    "Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk."

    Where did you get this from? This is NOT found in Sirah Halabiyah.

    – – –

    Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.”

    Lets look at what Sirah Halabi says:

    لما مات قثم بن عبد المطلب قبل مولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بثلاث سنين وهو ابن تسع سنين وجد عليه وجدا شديدا، فلما ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم سماه قثم حتى أخبرته أمه آمنة أنها أمرت في منامها أن تسميه محمدا، فسماه محمدا: أي ولا مخالفة بين هذه الروايات على تقدير صحتها كما لا يخفى، لأنه يجوز أن يكون نسي تلك الرؤية ثم تذكرها

    "When Qathem Bin Abdul Muttalib died three years before the birth of the Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him), he was a boy of nine years. He (Abdul Muttalib) suffered greatly. So when the Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) was born he named him Qathem until his mother Aminah informed him that she was ordered in her dream to name him 'Muhammad'. In other words, there is no inconsistency [contradiction] between these reports, on appraisal of their validity. As it is well known, although it possible that these had become forgotten then remembered."

    Then he starts to address that whether the name Muhammad was ever known in Ara or used.
    – – –

    "The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina."

    This is not – what Sirah Halabiyah says. So where is the reference for it?

    "This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. "

    That Prophet Muhammad was named after his uncle – now why would that be in any way unflattering?

    As far as what is the meaning of Qathem . . . where is the reference so I can check that out as well?

    I could not discern any reference from the video you posted. If you have – post it up – I'll have have a look.

    – – –

    "However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded. "

    This is ridiculous logic . . . and an informal logical fallacy. Just because something is recorded – it does not make it true.

  718. aminriadh says:

    "Okay, so you are using the second edition."

    Yes – I emailed you regarding this as well. I haven't come across versions 3,4,5 – and as far I can ignore out – there is no version 6 available to buy. If you want to give me any other editions:

    [email protected]

    – – –

    "The claim that the name of Muhammad was Qathem is in Islamic sources. Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxRw0uo7bo "

    That video shows obscurity . . . and obscure references. Sirah Halabiyah says – and what this person says are 2 different things.

    He tries to validate his Arabic by using Google! – Which is simply nonsense – as Google in not accurate. He even realizes the during the video . . . then why bother doing that? If you look closely – Google Translate garbles the sentences.

    What this scholar claims – and what the person of the video claim are 2 different things as well.

    This person – DOES NOT GIVE ANY REFERENCE FOR HIS CLAIM – OTHER THAN THIS CERTAIN SCHOLAR – YET HE DOES NOT SHOW WHAT THE SOURCES OF THIS SCHOLAR HIMSELF WERE.

    Also what is noticeable is that – he does not give any references for his alleged "meanings". And for his illegitimacy story.

    So Sina . . . why did you post this as reference?

    – – –

    Point to note: Sina is not bother about academic standards, vigour or objectivity.

    – – –

    "Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma'mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son). Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk. Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.” The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina."

    Again . . . . this is dealing with obscurity – I will point out – to you it doesn't matter what the info is – obscure or not . . . . you will use it. Not matter how Muslims themselves view it.

    There are Western and Islamic methods of dealing with history . . . . I think you are aware of that. But you have sacrificed standards to meet them.

    [I deal with this passage below separately]

    – – –

    "This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. It is not flattering. However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded. "

    But this is absolute nonsense – Sirah Halabiyah is an Arabic book – so it is at least available for all those who know Arabic. I have it in my library database. I found pdf's on the net.

    But why should one such reference have precedence over others – that are far greater in number, less obscure and etc? Although it can happen – if there is strong external or extra evidence. . . . as according to historical methods and principles. And this is not the case here.

    I have pointed out your methodology for the application of the Hadith corpus and Muslim history.

  719. Raj_Humanity says:

    I will do that, provided you say that the Quran is false.

    Provided you agree and say publicly that Mohammad is a liar, Mohammad is a pedophile, Mohammad is a rapist, Mohammad is a thug, Mohammad is a looter, Mohammad was an opportunist.

    Provided you say that Mohammad has fooled everyone. Provided you agree and say that Islam promotes terrorism. Provided you agree and say that the Islamic ideology is all hate and evil.

    Provided you also join me on this forum and start opening the eyes of the Muslims who have been misled by Mohammad and his gangsters called sahaba.

    Provided you agree that Allah is not the one true God. That the one true God is loving and does not preach hate.
    Provided you start believing in humanity and the Golden Rule.

    If you agree and swear by these, then I have no problem in saying that Ali Sina is an atheist whereas I believe in one true God who is not Allah. and I believe in humanity.

    I will quit this forum, if you agree to publicly denounce Mohammad and Islam and take up my work of opening the eyes of the Muslims. It is that easy.

    So done? Are you willing to leave Islam and denounce Mohammad as an evil person?

  720. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    That's Allegory ! Its really tough to debate with low intellectuals who are missing realizations in concepts and have egotism in which atheists dwell.

  721. Ali says:

    Have you left Ali Sina yet Raj?

    Can you please lead by example and publicly denounce Ali Sina on here for everyone to see, then I will follow suit. Deal?

  722. Ali says:

    But your reasons are still flawed Ali Sina! Your claim good comes from a sane mind and evil comes from an insane mind is an Atheist standpoint and are thus promoting your own belief system, which actually is a creationist ideology when the layers are lifted. So you do believe without even realising it?

    All sane people have a conscience argument that you have just promoted, is what we theists believe. It comes with the package. It is an inbuilt judge in the courtroom of the mind. It makes moral judgments, even when its voice is not wanted, and its voice only addresses that which is moral. It doesn’t speak when my tie doesn’t match my shirt. But it does speak when I steal a tie from a store. Why is that? Where did the conscience come from? Why do all civilizations have the knowledge that it’s wrong to lie, kill, steal, etc.? Our social surroundings may shape the conscience, but they don’t create it. It is the inner light that God has given to every one of us, and it leaves us without excuse for our sin.

    This is what you fail to grasp or you actually do understand but fail to accept openly.

    According to atheism, we are but matter in motion, evolving from rocks and slime over billions of years. We supposedly arose from organisms that have no sense of morality. Animals eat their young, kill their mates, and steal the food of any animal from which they can successfully take it—whether friend, foe, or family member. Atheists allege that we are animals.

    Therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.

    If human life really is as worthless as bacteria (as atheist Eric Pianka said naturalism demands), then there would be nothing truly wrong with systematically spreading the ebola virus for the purpose of eliminating 90% of the human population, which Dr. Pianka suggested needed to happen in order to save the Earth.

    Honest Atheists, who take atheistic evolution to its logical conclusion, are forced to admit what atheist Dan Barker said: that, if need be, he would rape millions of girls to save the rest of humanity. After all, if we are nothing but advanced ape-like creatures, and “our male ancestors became ancestors in part because they conditionally used rape,” then, as evolutionist Randy Thornhill confessed, “rape is evolutionary, biological, and natural”.

    Atheism directly supports anarchy because it denies any absolute authority. Each man & woman is left to choose what seems best to them… this always devolves into anarchy.

    What stops you from murdering someone? Why is it not the norm and why would you class it as evil?

  723. Ali says:

    What I am showing you Ali Sina is that there is no need to hide anymore, as you yourself have put your own picture up, so what's the point of still hiding as though you are a great mystery?

    You do look like Om Puri, so now we can put a face to the name. Why still claim to be someone that you are not and still hide?

    Careless of you with the picture I must say. 18 years of hiding all down the pan.

    Come clean and come public so people can really start hearing you and donating to your home made ministry. I'm literally giving you advice on how to make millions, still keep doing this anti Islamic thing, have more followers and live life like a king.

    Take it!

  724. Ali says:

    Is that true Ali Sina?

    Are you self publishing the book because you are broke?

    Living in Canada as you claim, are you also working 2-3 jobs making ends meet and living hand to mouth? Why not do the Lottery and hope for the best? All your financial woes will be permanently erased literally overnight.

    If you can't ruffle up $50,000 in over 18 years, you must be broke.

    Why not beg and borrow from the family members in order to raise some capital?

  725. aminriadh says:

    See – I have caught you out –

    Hence:

    "I really feel you wasting writing space here. "

    This is a pathetic thing to say.

    Surely my time – I can do what I feel like.

    – – –

    "Ok,your read the book why don't you let Ali Sina test you knowledge on G Chat. "

    Try to be a little aware of what is going on.

    I have already said . . Sina for whatever reason

    – doesn't bother to reply to me – that is his problem.

    = = =

    The thing is when it is YOU who hasn't read the book . . .

    Then why did you even bother to challenge me?

    – – –

    Looks stupid doesn't it?

  726. Ali says:

    Prove it then? We been waiting since 1994 and so has everyone else in the whole world!

  727. Ali says:

    Compared to you Ali Sina, I am top dog for Islam and I ain't no scholar. As a matter of fact most Muslims are top dog for you, and you know it.

    I've proven you wrong just using simple logic, let alone Islam and so have other Muslims on here.

  728. Ali says:

    No need to rainbow. I already know how her children came into the USA via Mexico and her sister using Wafa's passport!

    Isn't that right Ali Sina?

  729. Ali says:

    Better than Divine apes like Darwinism thought?

    Don't hate mate, don't hate!;)

  730. Ali says:

    Never mind Loki. It's not your fault.

    You will always choose the awkward non tangible position in order to defend your incorrect stance, just for the sake of it.

    I have showed you your flaws using your own reasoning. 1 in 2 is 50/50 despite what you say and especially with death and God.

    I am the one who is happy doing what I am doing, I am the one who has no worries in the world, I am the one who is financially stable, I am the one who is putting food on the table for numerous employees, I am the one who is comfortable with my way of life and belief system, I am the one who is not shouting from the rooftops for people to follow me and leave their current belief system and I am the one who is content, so how am I embarrassing myself?

    I am that Gold medallist which is always going to be ahead of you and I am always going to be 50% better off than you with the position I hold.

    Get over it.

    And on that note, my parting gift to you:

    109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
    109:2 I worship not that which ye worship,
    109:3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    109:4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
    109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

    Peace.

  731. Loki says:

    Don't forget, blowing up churches thinking 72 houries are waiting for you in heaven!!

    That's the best! Divine pussy 🙂

  732. Loki says:

    "Unfortunately for you, you cannot use the fair coin analogy in your favour to determine if it is fair"
    I didn't bring coin in the first place.You tried to be pedantic and said "you know like when you toss a coin, you get either a head or a tail, odds 50/50 of either landing up", and totally flopped and are now trying to cover up your immeasurable asininity.

    "My maths is bang on" without knowing page 1 of probability? Good for you!

    "We are very successful at what we do and Maths is a major ingredient for us, otherwise we'd be bankrupt like Ali Sina! "

    What now?Boast about money and maths?That shows your standard.Empty vessels make more sound than filled ones 🙂

    "Sometimes, when you win silver or bronze, you must admit defeat and accept someone else has taken gold. In this case, I am that gold medallist! "

    You're the first nincompoof to declare himself the Gold medalist. 🙂
    Go on! Embarrass yourself more!

    "We only die once and therefore, the chance of there being a God or no God on the other side to meet and greet us is 1 of 2. (50/50)"

    Again the same repetitive banality, without thinking you can't just divide that 1/1+1.Oh right, the Classical "Alian theory of probability"!! 🙂

  733. Ali Sina says:

    “Sina is declaring his bias – whatever information he can use to shed a negative light on Prophet Muhammad he will use that and reject others – hence he is not objective.”

    My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim. When police wants to determine the guilt of a suspect, they interrogate him. The suspect will claim innocence and deny having anything to do with the crime. The police ignores all those denials. The only things that they take into account are a few statements that serve as evidence against the suspect. Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect’s denials and praises that he made about himself?

    This is absurd thinking. It is not my job to believe or give any credence to Muhammad’s lofty claims about himself. As far as I am concerned they are all lies. My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation. Once Muhammad is proven a liar, who cares how many times he praised himself?

  734. Ali Sina says:

    “He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays.”

    Apart from the fact this subject is irrelevant and trivial here is the rational argument to defend it.

    Mecca had probably 20,000 to 30,000 inhabitants. After all it was called Ummul Qura. Arabs used to have constant children. Each had more than a dozen. There were no birth controls and they wanted to have more children. However, in the year Muhammad was born only ten children were given to be fostered away. In in that year 500 new children were born, 10 out of 500 is negligible.

    Khadijah was a wealthy woman.She could easily afford paying foster mothers to take care of her children. But she raised them all on her own.

    This practice is not in accordance with human nature. Mothers can’t easily part with their babies. If they do, as Amina did, there must be some reason. In the case of Amina, we find no logical reason except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried. Why in the wold a single mother who is not wealthy would not raise her own child and give it to someone else to raise it? It just makes no sense.

  735. Ali Sina says:

    Okay, so you are using the second edition. The claim that the name of Muhammad was Qathem is in Islamic sources. Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxRw0uo7bo

    This footnote you mention was removed from the third to fifth editions of Understanding Muhammad. The reason I removed it was because I had little documentation to support it. But it is added again in the sixth edition. The sixth edition says.

    Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma’mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son). Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk. Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.” The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina. This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. It is not flattering. However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded.

  736. Fansina says:

    How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references. The case studies are also backed with references. Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion.Read the case study of Jim Jones.

  737. Fansina says:

    Ok,your read the book why don't you let Ali Sina test you knowledge on G Chat. When I done reading I'm going to do the same.After that we can debate about what we don't agree with regarding the book. I really feel you wasting writing space here.

  738. Ali Sina says:

    Ibrahim was the son of Mariyah who was born when Muhammad was already sixty. I was talking about the children he had with Khadijah.

    Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name.

    Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do.

    If you don’t have the 4th edition let me know and I will send it to you.

    It is a good idea that you keep posting your comments here.

  739. awie says:

    IN MALAYSIA ITS CALLED TALAK TIGA, BY SAYING ,' I DIVORCE YOU THREE TIMES' .

  740. aminriadh says:

    Assessment so far . . .

    Sina's methodology is that he has fitted the evidence around his theories . . . and has ignored all contradictory evidence. When he diverges from popular history – he does so without providing references.

    This methodolgy is whether it is applied to the so-called psycho-analysis or the use of the Hadith Corpus.

    His method of choosing the Psychology and Science – is same as his method of choosing hadith. Whatever fits.

    – – – –

    Hence it is no wonder he has been reduced to self-printing this book. He is not an academic or a scientist (as far as we know) – it is clear from the start – he is not going to be objective at all.

    This is why this book will work with the converted only. It will not stand up to academic rigour or standards.

  741. aminriadh says:

    "Some wealthy Arab women sometimes hired wet nurses for their infants. This freed them from nursing and allowed them to have another child right away."

    "Also, this practice was not really that common."

    Sina builds up a strange case – but he does not reference this at all. He tries to imply that wet-nursing was not a common procedure. This could (probably is) simply be his fabrication – to accord with his prejudice.

    He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays.

    – – –

    He goes on to make an alleged case against Aminah – but his basis is unattested.

    "An interesting piece of information that sheds some light on her psychological makeup and her relationship with her new born child is that Amina did not breastfeed Muhammad. After his birth, the infant was given to Thueiba, a maid of his uncle Abu Lahab, (the very man whom Muhammad cursed in Sura 111, along with his wife) to be nursed. Why Amina did not nurse her child is not mentioned. All we can do is to speculate. Was she depressed by the fact that she had become a widow at such a young age? Did she think the child was an impediment to the possibility of remarriage?"

    As pointed out – Sina has simply ignored all contradictory data available to build this case. Despite being a Widow and poor – she was still attached to the ruling family. In a class based society – she more importantly the child – still belonged to the ruling clan. Hence they both were above the level of working or warring classes.

    There is actually biographical data available about Aminah . . . but the author has chosen not to examine this. Or provided much background to the Arabian society at the time. Given the cases he build up – it is not too unreasonable to assume that this would have been

    Also – mostly whenever he digresses from popular Muslim history – he does so without providing references – hence it is difficult to assess his claim. I simply challenge their authenticity.

    – – –

    One must always keep in mind – Sina is unable to verify Primary material himself – as he cannot understand Arabic. Hence he has to rely on Translations.

    [More details on this provided later ]

  742. aminriadh says:

    This is another footnote (8) – Page 8:

    8 Muhammad had four daughters and two sons. His male children, Qasim and Abd al Menaf
    (named after deity Menaf) died in infancy. His daughters reached adulthood and married, but
    they all died young. The youngest daughter, Fatima, was survived by two sons. She outlived
    Muhammad by only six months.

    First mistake – Prophet Muhammad had 3 sons – not two.

    Secondly – their names were:

    Qasim – Ibrahim and Abdullah

    "Abd al Menaf (named after deity Menaf)" – Prophet Muhammad's great grandfather is called Abdul Menaf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_ibn_%27Abd_Ma

  743. aminriadh says:

    I did ask FanSina this – but after the strange "gotcha" – I have heard no reply.

    This is from page 8:

    "In the year 570 A.D., in Mecca, Arabia, a widowed young woman, Amina, gave birth to a boy whom she called Muhammad.7"

    However:

    The footnote:

    "He changed his name to Muhammad (praised one) at the age of fifty-three, when he migrated to Medina."

    – – –

    The complete footnote is:

    Acording to one tradition (that I have not been able to verify its authenticity) Muhamamd’s
    original name was Qutham. He was also known as Halabi. He changed his name to
    Muhammad (praised one) at the age of fifty-three, when he migrated to Medina.

    Now this is strange . . . "Acording to one tradition (that I have not been able to verify its authenticity)"

    There is no references given for this at all – and by all intents is an obscure. I have not yet found any reference for it. I have checked 171 Hadith book database.

    So why mention such obscurity? Maybe it came from:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t

    – – –

    However what he calls "Qutham" – may simply be the name Qasim. A name Prophet Muhammad has referred himself by.

    – – –

    This was obscure – that it was hardly worth mentioning.

    This does imply that – Sina has no methodical, logical, consistant or comprehensive way of using & applying the Hadith Corpus – other than what he alluded to – he will choose whatever Hadith he wishes according to his inclination.

  744. aminriadh says:

    "Traditions that are diffusely recurrent are called mutawattir. These traditions have come down to later generations through a large number of chains of narrations, involving diverse transmitters. It is virtually impossible that all these people, living in different localities and espousing (at times radically) different views, would come together, to fabricate the exact same lie and attribute it to their prophet."

    This follows on from the above.

    However it is not an exacting definition of Hadith Mutawatir. . . . which is a Hadith that has large number of narrators in the first three eras of Islam. Although there is no specified number of Hadith Muttawatir that is agreed upon by many scholars – however it is generally accepted that most Hadith are not Muttawatir and they are relatively few. Most relate to basic Islamic worship – such as the 5 daily prayers, Hajj, Fasting and etc.

    This appears to be a random thought process and nothing is concluded from it . . . the implication is there to justify the Sina's methodology above.

    Although this does show – Sina is at least aware of Hadith sciences – but not much can be be ascertained from the random passage.

  745. aminriadh says:

    On page four of his book, he states:

    "It is to be expected that believers would elevate the status of their prophet, falsely attribute miracles to him and make him look saintly. In the biography of Muhammad, however, we also find thousands of accounts that do not portray him as a holy man, but rather, depict him as vile, ruthless, cunning, and even as a sexual pervert. There is no reason to believe these stories are false. It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain. So if such stories exist, narrated by his companions, those who believed in him and loved him, in such a large numbers, it is likely that they are true."

    Now this is very important – I will write a more extensive analysis of this and its implications. This appears to be his only methodology that he applies to the Hadith Corpus. However it is flawed:

    Sina is declaring his bias – whatever information he can use to shed a negative light on Prophet Muhammad he will use that and reject others – hence he is not objective.

    – – –

    This is fallacious logic. Cherry picking – is a logical fallacy. . . rejecting evidence just because it does not match your bias – is a ridiculous position to adopt.

    – – –

    "It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain. So if such stories exist, narrated by his companions, those who believed in him and loved him, in such a large numbers, it is likely that they are true."

    a) Faulty logic – From this premise:

    "It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain."

    Hence – all such stories should be "false"

    b) Large number of "such" stories do not exist. One only has to examine the "reference sections" of the book to discern the relatively small number Hadith quoted and used by the author.

    – – –

    Muslims have a system and methodology regarding Hadith Corpus – this is used to critique Hadith. What Sina is saying above is that he will disregard this whole science – and apply the aforementioned method.

    = = =

    This short section reveals a lot – he employs this method throughout the book – and it is vital enough to merit a more thorough analysis.

  746. aminriadh says:

    "If you read the book you would not have given quotes but written down what you remembered from reading it. You must really give it a try becos you wasting ur time and energy on this site. "

    I gave a single quote – and I was puzzled by why you are asking this . . hence I asked the question.

    You did NOT specify what you were asking. Hence how was I meant to know – that you did NOT want actual quote?

    – – –

    Now you assume what you like.

    See – this shows you already had a plan for "gotcha"

    But it is simply erroneous and deceptive of you.

    – – –

    I have read the book – absolutely and thoroughly.

    Let me ask you a question in return . . .

    What simple contradiction does Sina make on page 8.

    The section beginning – The Brith and Childhood of Muhammad.

  747. Fansina says:

    If you read the book you would not have given quotes but written down what you remembered from reading it. You must really give it a try becos you wasting ur time and energy on this site.

  748. aminriadh says:

    I challenged Sina over his book – and he did NOT respond. Now he has really started to get personal:

    "Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "

    Of course – he hasn't proved it. I will paste bits of findings as I go through the book. It is just that these comments section are unsuitable for pasting long passages.

    I have twice previously – recommended bbPress forums . . . but to no avail.

    = = =

    Where are his supporters now? Which "truth" does . . . Sina stand for? Personally attacking you . . . when the going gets tough?

  749. aminriadh says:

    "You would rather not recommend everyone to read it, because he will
    be very rich, and that's all what he is aiming at."

    Oh – there are free versions available. I don't mean that everyone should go out of their way. . . just that he is trying to create a bogeyman scenario . . . and I recommend it – to read it carefully – to those that happen to come to this site.

    Check his sources . . . I mean there is a lot of deception there. Errors and mistakes.

    – – –

    " I might read it, if I get it for free."

    Either search for it – or [email protected] – drop me line I will send it. There is nothing in it.

  750. aminriadh says:

    I can categorically say – I challenged Sina over the book . . .

    He never responded.

    – – –
    – – –

    I will post my finding on the net – and some on these comments section regardless.

    I doubt he will answer – obviously not against someone capable.

  751. aminriadh says:

    "Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "

    Not only have I read the book – I have analysed it as well.

    Thoroughly.

    The questioner did not specify – what they wanted.

    And I pasted the quote.

    – – –

    Sina has made several sickening personal attack towards me . . .

    Something I have never done.

    Simple – he cannot handle the questioning and he couldn't reply. hence he is getting personal.

    How is that rational, logical or sane?

    – – –

    "I know they are lying. No person can read my book and keep his faith. Those who do, never write back. So I tell them whether they are ready for a short quiz. I invite them to meet me on Gchat and I will ask them a few questions about the book to make sure they have read it. It is then that they refuse and it becomes clear they have not read the book. "

    Despite the long spiel . . .

    Sina never asked me – for any short quiz or anything.

    He simply didn't bother to reply back.

    Now he has started to attack me personally.

    I think he knows full well I have read the book . . .

    and it is a pack of lies.

    – – –

    = = = =

    " This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "

    he made this claim . . . yet he did not prove any such thing.

    Man – I sure am disappointed!

  752. aminriadh says:

    One line of questioning and look what has happened to you. . .

    . . . . look at what you did before – when I challenged your copy and paste job over the Quran.

    When you cannot sustain you pack of lies and they are challenged – then this is what you come out with . . .

    to get away from it.

    "Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn't have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human's soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience. "

    = = =

    Simple – you couldn't handle it. hence you resorted to this level.

  753. aminriadh says:

    "It is up to you to prove that people become najis by belief or disbelief."

    Why?

    The question was on irrationality and you didn't bother to answer it.

    – – –

    "I offered a test that can be made in a laboratory. Does any test prove that Muslims' body fluids is cleaner than non-Muslims?"

    What did that have to do with being Najis?

    A state of spiritual impurity.

    – – – –

    "Does belief in anyway purify or make dirty the blood or the secretion of the body? What is the scientific basis of this Quranic claim which you uphold? "

    Excrement and body fluids aren't even mentioned here.

    What has that to do with anything.

    – – –

    "Non-Muslims are beaten or even killed if they accidentally drink from the same containers that Muslims drink. "

    This is absolute nonsense – and it isn't the Muslims way.

    This is what motivated someone like Ali Jinnah to sign up to Pakistan for example.

    – – –

    " What is the scientific foundation of this idiocy? It is up to you to prove this ridiculous claim. I don't have to disprove something which is not proven. "

    I asked you to PROVE your statement. . .

    that is of irrationality of the belief. . . which you have been unable to do.

    And you have understood the verse – in anyway wanted – and claimed what you wanted.

    – – –

    "Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn't have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human's soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience. "

    This is frighteningly absurd, ridiculous, hateful and absolutely disgusting. . .

    There is no way of putting it. It is a hateful and hateful personal attack.

    I have not once made any such claims . . . about you – or anyone else. Ever.

    It is to be expected . . . given how you have called every single Muslim to – "be dirty" more dirtier than non-Muslims, scumbags, guilty – hence to you no Muslim death is innocent.

    – – –

    Simply by challenging your views – you label me as such . . .

    oh and the lies of "rationality" – "evidence" and "logical fallacies"

    That is all out of the window. . . .

    I mean what kind of person are you?

    – – –

    Is it any wonder . . . that you linger in the pits. With ridiculous claims and pushing a piddly little book – that you self published. . . and is full of mistakes and same kind of deception and falsehood.

  754. Ali Sina says:

    Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not.

    Many Muslims write to me to debate. I tell them I will debate only if they read my book first. They ask for it and I send it to them. A few days later they say they have read it and now I should debate them. I know they are lying. No person can read my book and keep his faith. Those who do, never write back. So I tell them whether they are ready for a short quiz. I invite them to meet me on Gchat and I will ask them a few questions about the book to make sure they have read it. It is then that they refuse.

    I know Muslims’ mind. These miserable creatures think they can deceive me.

  755. Ali Sina says:

    It is up to you to prove that people become najis by belief or disbelief. I offered a test that can be made in a laboratory. Does any test prove that Muslims’ body fluids is cleaner than non-Muslims? Does belief in anyway purify or make dirty the blood or the secretion of the body? What is the scientific basis of this Quranic claim which you uphold?

    You say “what has that got to do with anything?” So what makes one najis? It is microbes that make people filthy. If microbes cannot be produced with thoughts then this verse is stupid just like any other thing Muhammad said. Muslims forced religious minorities to stay home during rainy days lest a drop of rain bounce from their body into theirs and make them najis. They do not use vessels used by the religious minorities because they are rendered najis. Non-Muslims are beaten or even killed if they accidentally drink from the same containers that Muslims drink. All these abuses are due to this asinine belief. What is the scientific foundation of this idiocy? It is up to you to prove this ridiculous claim. I don’t have to disprove something which is not proven.

    Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn’t have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human’s soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience.

  756. aminriadh says:

    Why ask that?

  757. aminriadh says:

    "Although Muhammad had several epileptic trances since his childhood,
    we must not discard the possibility that Cave Hira may have tapped
    hallucinogenic vapors that triggered his visions."

  758. Fansina says:

    By the way,you said that you read Alisna's Book. If so, what does Alisina say about the cave hira. What inside the cave could have had a impact on the prophet.Other cave studies are also given. Come on now.

  759. Agracean says:

    Dear Chinaloi, I'm glad to know that you're a white Chinese. Aren't you glad that I'm a white Indian? Yes, different races may think differently but still, truth matters. I'm also help to help all human beings come to the ultimate realization of the absolute truth. 🙂

  760. Fansina says:

    His poked face was mention by Ali.

  761. aminriadh says:

    "I don't look at Om Puri's pokes in his face."

    Which shows you have noticed!

    It is like the old riddle – What is broken by merely saying its name.

  762. aminriadh says:

    "Why are you so desperate to derail the subject? "

    Look who is talking. Pot calling the kettle black.

  763. aminriadh says:

    Sina . . . you failed to answer the "Question".

    What is irrational about:

    "Considering people najis (filthy) for what they believe."

    – – –

    "Let us take someone who believes in Allah and make him blaspheme or reversal and test their bodily fluid before and after their conversion. Will there be any difference?"

    What has that got to do with anything?

    – – –

    "You are not that stupid to accept this test which would prove the Quran false one more time. So why you believe in this lie? It is because you have surrendered your rational thinking to a madman. And those who make you believe in absurdities will make you do atrocities. This is why Muslims do all sorts of evil things. This is not hate mongering. I am explaining the source of evil in you people. "

    Even on a simple question . . . all you could do is repeat the spiel as per usual.

    I have noted this and highlighted it. . .

    . . . you don't bother to answer what is put to you.

    = = =

    Avoidance won't get you anywhere – this is the same case with most of what you come out with . . .

    . . . if challenged – it falls down like pack of cards.

    As I have shown here – you either avoid answering . . . or its the old "you are a liar" litany.

  764. aminriadh says:

    Sina – is no Scholar – has no academic worth. . . . hence you have no more legitimacy than Harun Yahya does in science.

    Why would a Scholar wish to engage with you? On what basis?

    – – –

    "I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam. I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat. "

    Bullshit – and you know it.

  765. aminriadh says:

    "this was a befitting response to your less than intelligent comment that irrational and illogical people agree with me. "

    Although. . . as I had already clarified – what I comment meant. . .
    . . . this is treacherous lie from you.

    – – –

    "So how can your harebrained comment make sense and my retorting the same "says is all doesn't it?" "

    But you didn't retort the same . . . read and compare the comments.

    This is simply with hindsight.

    – – – –

    "This proves again that a Muslims can't see the plank in his own eyes but is so expert in finding a speck in the eyes of others. "

    Meaningless guff – as usual – and it doesn't go with anything.

    = = = =

    Point to note (again) – SIna is ok to embroil in a petty squabble – yet once again doesn't bother to answer question of any worth.

  766. aminriadh says:

    "I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam."

    Your claim . . with nothing to back it up with. However – there is plenty of evidence to say – you are lying outright.

    – – –

    " I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat."

    Yeah right. . . .again I point to the above. If this was remotely true. . . what are you doing – piddling here – pushing that 2-bit book?

    – – –

    " I am not asking for debate."

    Yes you are . . . when I mentioned Hamza Yusuf, Yusuf Estes and Bilal Philips . . . that is exactly what you said. As you have said previously – several times.

    – – –

    "But if I were a Muslim scholar and could shut someone like me up I would not play snub. I would get to the ring and show the world that Islam is true. "

    it doesn't work like that – and it would give you undue legitimacy.

    Ha ha . . . . look how badly you do against the likes of me.

  767. Fansina says:

    Om Puri is also a very sexy man. He acted in many bollywood art movies and was well known for his explicit sex scenes. He is very manly, so you should consider it as a compliment. He also has a very manly voice. I try to see the beauty in every person. I don't look at Om Puri's pokes in his face.

  768. Ali Sina says:

    No one said they have to debate me. I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam. I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat. I am not asking for debate. But if I were a Muslim scholar and could shut someone like me up I would not play snub. I would get to the ring and show the world that Islam is true.

  769. Ali Sina says:

    [“On the contrary, the irrational and illogical people are those who viciously attack me.”

    Says it all doesn’t it. Oh well. ]

    this was a befitting response to your less than intelligent comment that irrational and illogical people agree with me. So how can your harebrained comment make sense and my retorting the same “says is all doesn’t it?” This proves again that a Muslims can’t see the plank in his own eyes but is so expert in finding a speck in the eyes of others.

  770. Rainbow says:

    Yes indeed, if there were 1,2,3,4,5, editions, he wouldn't forget to make
    that much of fuss and advertisments about them (like the fuss he is
    doing now about edition 6).

    You would rather not recommend everyone to read it, because he will
    be very rich, and that's all what he is aiming at. I might read it, if I get
    it for free. People are not interested in buying it because they do not think
    that there is anything new added in it. All what he wanted to say about
    Mohammad, he mentioned it in his sites.

    I just want to say something to the apostates or the ones who are leaving
    Islam (whether to be atheists or join another religion).
    I strongly agree that it is your right to do so, but never ever believe that
    people like Sina will like one day, even if you change your skin,
    as long as you have been Muslims one day, as long as your ancestors
    were Muslims or Arabs.

  771. Ali Sina says:

    Are you saying it is rational to believe one becomes clean and najish simply by believing in something or not believing in it? Can we put this to test in a lab? Let us take someone who believes in Allah and make him blaspheme or reversal and test their bodily fluid before and after their conversion. Will there be any difference?

    You are not that stupid to accept this test which would prove the Quran false one more time. So why you believe in this lie? It is because you have surrendered your rational thinking to a madman. And those who make you believe in absurdities will make you do atrocities. This is why Muslims do all sorts of evil things. This is not hate mongering. I am explaining the source of evil in you people.

  772. Ali Sina says:

    I don’t look like him but that is fine. He is a good looking guy. What this has to do with what I say about Islam? Why are you so desperate to derail the subject?

  773. aminriadh says:

    When you condemn such person – in the way you have done – and then the only reason you write such long spiels is to make yourself look good.

    – – –

    "Considering people najis (filthy) for what they believe."

    What is irrational about it?

    It is a small question – but Ali doesn't ask such questions.

    I do.

  774. Ali Sina says:

    “You cannot even give and answer as to where evil and good generate from, but you want us to believe that the Quran, Islam and Mohammed are fake and evil.”

    I answered this question in detail. You don’t pay attention. Good and evil originate from human mind. Sane people do good and insane people do evil. A sane person enjoys his own acts of kindness, altruism and generosity. A man who jumps in torrent waters to save another person’s life does not even think about what he is doing and that this may cost his own life. Doing good is natural to him. On the other hand a sadist enjoys hurting. The more his victim suffers the more pleasure he gets. In the above examples one person is good and the other is evil. What makes them so is their mind.

    I also explained that a mentally insane person is not really responsible for hi