The Dilemma of Islamic Terrorism

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The recent massacres in Paris of the staff of Charlie Hebdo and the Jews in a kosher supermarket, and the increasing incidences of butchering young people coming out of pubs have made more people concerned about the rise of terrorism. Tens of thousands have come out to demonstrate.

 

Since the 9/11 attack on New York and the Pentagon in 2001, there have been close to 25,000 terrorist attacks worldwide, all of which were perpetrated in the name of Islam. That is about 5 terrorist attacks every day. So far two million people have been killed and a similar number are maimed and injured. These attacks are becoming more frequent. Yet something is not changing.

 

  • Immediately after the attack, the president or the prime minister of the country in which the attack has taken place goes on TV and declares that this attack had nothing to do with Islam.
  • Right after that the chief of police announces that he has taken all the measures to protect Muslims from any imaginary backlash and nonexistent reprisal.
  • In the evening of the same day the mainstream media interviews an imam or a Muslim spokesperson who emphasizes that Islam does not condone violence.
  • We are then told that extremists exist in all religions and reminded that some thirty years ago a few Christians killed a few abortionist murderers of unborn babies.
  • Then the pundits are called to pontificate that the root cause of Islamic terrorism is not in what the terrorist themselves say, and nothing to do with the Quran (that in hundreds of verses calls on the believers to kill the unbelievers), but in the injustice done to Muslims in other parts of the world, such as in Abu Ghraib prison and particularly in Palestine where half a century ago Israelis defeated the Arab invaders who had vowed to drown them in the sea.
  • A few days after that the police and the politicians of the victim country hold meetings with the leaders of the Muslim community where they conclude that more money should be given to the “moderate Muslims” to persuade the “radicals” to not take their religion seriously.
  • The experts also conclude that emblems like Christmas and Christmas trees hurt the religious sentiment of Muslims and they should be removed from public institutions, shopping malls and schools, while at the same time Muslims should be given some concessions, like not requiring them to wash their hands before performing operation on patients, designating a room and Islamic toilets for them in public institutions, and allow them to apply for driving license without requiring them to show their face.
  • Also, in the spirit of integration and community cohesion, everyone should be forced to eat halal meat, which involves extra cruelty to the animals, without their knowledge, whether they want it or not.

 

This tune is replayed every time there is a terrorist attack. The narrative never changes, despite the unequivocal assertion of the terrorists themselves who make it clear they are motivated by the teachings and examples of their prophet and his promise of virgins. Methinks, the record of history is broken. How else can we explain that after a repetition of 25,000 times one would not question the validity of this narrative?

 

While politicians in western countries and the mainstream media are stuck in the above narrative, the truth is not hidden from the Muslims. Al Sisi, the president of Egypt, in his 2015 New Year’s speech in Al Azhar University, addressing top Sunni clerics said, “it is not possible that 1.6 billion people [reference to the world’s Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live.” Sisi did not blame Abu Ghraib, Israel, nor made other silly excuses for Islamic terrorism. He blamed the “ideology” of it. But the ideology—which says, kill the unbelievers so you go to paradise—comes straight from the Quran.

 

Sisi cannot go further than that. What he said is already too much and if he did not have the military behind him, he would have been thrown into jail. However, if a non-Muslim raises the same concerns raised by Sisi, they will be called racist and denounced as an Islamophobe.

 

We are told, “You can’t paint an entire group of people with the same wide brush.” But there is a war going on. People are being killed. We have to know our enemy. Who is the enemy?

 

Of course not everyone is the same. Although each individual is unique we can classify Muslims in three broad categories. In practice, an individual often belongs to more than one category. The proportion of the overlap varies, and just as 18 decillion colors are created by the combination of just three colors and their intensity, the degree to which Muslims belong to each category gives rise to infinite diversity among them. No Muslim exists out of these three categories.

 

The first category is that of good Muslims. By good I mean true believers—those who follow the teachings of their prophet, the Quran and the Sunnah to the letter, who try to emulate him in every way and are strict and pious Muslims. Since the teachings and the examples of Muhammad are full of violence and terror, the more one follows and emulates him the more radical one becomes. Muhammad raided and butchered people merely because they were not his followers. The good Muslims do the same. All the bombings and terrorism perpetrated by Muslims are replicas of Muhammad’s raids, or ghazwa, as he called them. Taking women as sex slaves, which the Islamic State and Boko Haram practice was also practiced by Muhammad and he sanctioned it in the Quran (33:50; 23: 1-6; 70:30; 4:24; 66:1-2). He ordered the assassination of his critics stoning the adulterers, chopping the hands of thieves and killing the apostates. So, the terrorists are actually good Muslims.

 

The second category is of bad Muslims. These are those who don’t practice their religion and are often ignorant of it. They may pray or chant the Quran, but have no clue of its content. They read it for thawab (reward) without understanding it. These Muslims are ordinary people we all know. Like everybody else, some are good and some are not so good. Some of them are friendly, but they see themselves as superior, by virtue of their faith, and of “higher morals.”

 

Morality in Islam has nothing to do with what others understand by this word. Morality for women is to cover their hair lest it arouse sexual feelings in men. For men, it is not to shake hands with Muslim women lest it arouse them sexually, or not to masturbate, etc. Morality in Islam is primarily about genitals and their use. For example, while having sex out of marriage is considered immoral, stoning people caught in such act is not immoral. While looking at bare arms and legs of Muslim women is considered immoral, raping non-Muslim women is not immoral. Homosexuality is immoral, but pedophilia is not.

 

These Muslims migrate to the west to better their lives, but they segregate themselves, form isolated communities and warn their children to not learn the ways of unbelievers or take them as friends unless they intent to convert them to Islam. They give huge amounts of money to charity. But Islamic charity has nothing to do with charity. All that money goes to build mosques, print Islamic materials and promote Islam. If any of that is spent for the needy, it is to enlist them for jihad or support the families of the suicide bombers. The bad Muslims are the lifeline of Islam and the breeding ground for good Muslims. All Muslim terrorists, unless they are converts, are born in and emerge from this group. Without the moral and financial support of the bad Muslims Islam will cease to exist.

 

Then we have the ugly Muslims. As we learned the good Muslims are not good at all, and the bad ones are not really bad people, the ugly Muslims actually look beautiful. Islam is a world down the rabbit hole. Nothing is what it is because everything is what it is not. The ugly Muslims are clean-shaven, handsome or attractive, eloquent, articulate, and highly intelligent, just the kind of people you want to hang around with. They are journalists, professors, regular guests and contributors to mainstream media. They know what to say to gain your approval and your applause. They are charming. Their words are reassuring and their faces are familiar. You like them and trust them. So why do I call them ugly? Because they lie! Their job is to deceive you and to make you believe that the “real Islam” poses no threat to you. These wolves in sheep clothing are the most dangerous group. Deception is deadlier than terror. Do you fear more a ferocious animal that you can see or a deadly virus that you can’t? The enemy within is a lot more dangerous.

 

Unlike the bad Muslims the ugly ones are not ignorant of their religion. They know of Muhammad’s raids, rapes, assassinations, genocides, tortures, beheadings, but they deny them, twist the facts and defend him. They accuse the good Muslims of having hijacked their religion of peace when they know they lie. They claim to be reformers when they know that Islam cannot be reformed. Islam is what it is. To reform Islam one has to change the Quran. Over 70% of it must be scrapped, and the other 30% is just sheer nonsense.

 

These self-styled reformers don’t want to change the Quran. They just want Muslims to practice it less. In theory it works. Even the deadliest poison in small doses is not lethal. But how can they convince all Muslims to not take their holy book seriously? This project is doomed from the start. This is either naiveté and wishful thinking, or a ruse to deceive the non-Muslims, to give them false hope so they can buy more time for Islam to take over the world, which is the goal of every Muslim, the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

Every Muslim falls within these three categories. Just as virtually all colors are combinations of the three primary colors, elements of the three categories of Muslims exist in all of them.

 

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but a substantial percentage of them are, and a greater percentage, condone terrorism. But does it really matter who is and who is not? If I give you 1,000 cups of good wine and tell you only one of them contains cyanide will you drink any of them? The terrorist are born, raised and protected by the “moderates.” They are indistinguishable from each other. It is delusional to think that the non-terrorist Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism. Where do the terrorists come from if not from the so-called moderate Muslims?

 

All Muslims support the ideology that wants to kill us. There are also good people (bad Muslims) among them, like al Sisi, who want to change this. They can’t, because the ideology against which they speak is Islam itself. They will likely be assassinated before they succeed. The belief that Islam can be reformed from within is wishful thinking. Other religions allow change and adapt with times. Islam is like a fossil. What is written in the Quran cannot be changed and the problem with Islam is the Quran.

 

Islam cannot be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It cannot be molded, but it can be smashed and pulverized. This cannot be done from within. Growth happens from within. But if you want to demolish a building you have to get out of it. You can’t cut a branch while sitting on it.

 

The question is how to stop Islam. There are three ways, incidentally, one is good, one is bad and the other is ugly.

 

The good way to stop Islam is to spread the truth about it. Like darkness that cannot stand the light, lies cannot stand the truth. If we tell the truth about Muhammad and reveal his crimes, Islam will fall in no time. We can actually destroy Islam in less than two decades. All we need to do is tell the truth. Yes, truth will set us free. It really does! I myself have left Islam and have helped thousands to leave it with nothing but truth.

 

There are countless books and websites that tell the truth. The problem is that Muslims don’t read. Also many non-Muslims don’t read. The majority of people get their facts from the media. The ugly Muslims’ jihad is to muddy the waters so no one can learn the truth about their religion. When we quote passages from the Quran to show how vile and evil they are, they say we quote them out of context. But they never tell us in what context the hundreds of verses that call for killing the unbelievers can mean something else. The fact is that they are the ones who quote their book out of context to make it look tolerant. For example, the Sura 109 that says, “To you your religion and to me mine,” or the verse 2:256 that says, “There is no compulsion in religion,” or the verse 5:32 that says, “Whoever kills one person is as if he has killed all mankind,” are taken out of context. They have nothing to do with tolerance.

 

But there is a way to overcome this hurdle and that is to make a biopic of Muhammad, something beautiful that everyone wants to see for its artistic value and is factual and truthful. Most people have never read the Bible, but they know about Jesus and Moses through movies. We need to do the same for Muhammad. This is our best option and my preferred choice.

 

The second option is bad. It is to deport all Muslims back to their country of origin. It does not matter if they are second or third generation immigrants. Muslims do not see themselves as citizens of any non-Muslim country and their allegiance is not and cannot be to a country that is not controlled by them. If they tell you otherwise they would be going against the Quran 9:23 that says Muslims should not accept the guardianship, i.e. the rule of the unbelievers. Muslims believe the Quran is the word of God and the Quran says, “We made you an exalted nation, that you may be guardians over the people” (2:143). The only status that is acceptable to Muslims is that they should rule over others while others are reduced into dhimmis, second class citizens who would labor and support their Muslim masters.

 

The third option is really ugly. It consists in doing to Muslims what they do to others, and give them a taste from their own holy book, i.e., “to cast terror in their hearts” (Q. 8:12; 3:151). Treat Muslims the way they treat non-Muslims. Make life unbearable for them, just as they make it unbearable for non-Muslims wherever they are in power. Muslims are still a minority in the west. Once they see their lives is in danger, they will leave on their own accord, just as millions of Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Bahais and Hindus have left their ancestral homelands because Muslims made life unbearable for them. When kept at bay in their own countries, Muslims pose no threat to the world. They will fight among each other and self-destruct. They are a problem only when they migrate to non-Muslims countries and strive to conquer them as their religion requires it from them.

 

As you see the last two options are really bad and really ugly. But there is one that is even worse. It is to do nothing. If we do nothing, in just a generation, Muslims will become powerful enough to do to us what they do to non-Muslims wherever they are powerful. If we do nothing our grandchildren will suffer the same fate that non-Muslims suffer in Islamic countries, with the difference that there will be nowhere left in the world as safe haven to accept them as refugees.

 

I am not in favor of mass deportation, and less in favor of casting terror in the hearts of Muslims. I hope to set them free with truth so they can be our friends, instead of our enemy. But the last thing I want is for the entire world to become Islamic State. I rather see Muslims expelled from Europe, America and Australia, even by force and coercion, than billions butchered by them a generation from now. I witnessed Shah’s cowardice when he failed to gun down a few hundred protesters in the Islamic uprising of 1979 and as the result over a million Iranians were killed by the Islamic regime and the country has become a giant prison. So I know a thing or two about pragmatism. If Islam is allowed to win it means the end of human civilization. If Islam wins, humanity will enter a dark age from which it can never emerge.

 

Let us hope we come to our senses and do the right thing. Let us hope we rescue Muslims from their faith of hate and bring them back to the fold of humanity. But if all fails. Let us pay attention to one of the most profound passages ever written.

 

“There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace” (Ecclesiastes 3).

 

This article may be reprinted and published without permission without alteration.

Ali Sina is the founder of faithfreedom.org an organization created by ex-Muslims to help Muslims leave Islam and the author of Understanding Muhammad.

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44 Responses

  1. Tofuking says:

    Somehow we must get the populace to realize, the info fed to us about Islam is false while preventing hardcore liberals from calling us bigoted, which doesn’t make any sense.

  2. Michael says:

    We can start now by legislating to the effect that no Muslim may have the care or custody of a child. Once their children are taken from them to be raised as non-Muslims, deportation might not be necessary.

  3. Scott says:

    Amin Riadh the Jews cannot invade their own lands. Islam is the new kid on the block and has NO rightful or historical claim to any lands anywhere on the planet. Any lands moslems claim are Islamic were taken through malevolence and utter cruelty. The Jews and Christians own Judea and Samaria, it’s their holiest of places. The Palestinians (Philistines) were neither Arabic nor Islamic until recently. Your taqiyya is strong you lying moslem.

  4. Martel Sobieskey says:

    Brilliantly insightful article , concisely and eloquently articulated. Please note, how Ali Sina describes, good, bad and ugly Muslims. The ugly description is especially accurate and relevant. Lets face it., Ali Sina is a genius when it comes to understanding Islam, and unless our nation pays serious heed to the truth he is telling — Islam will turn American into a living hell. All security personell should be required to read this article as well as the rest of his work.

  5. cohenite says:

    Riadh is either a dhimmi or a Muslim troll. This is a good article. islam has no tolerance and the West must learn Popper’s edict that you cannot tolerate the intolerant. Muslims should stay in Islamic nations; their presence in the West is for one reason only: to subvert Western values and introduce Sharia.

  6. Amin Riadh says:

    Says a lot about US foreign policy and it’s tendency to wage war on Muslims. There is a reason why Iraq was attacked and thousands lie dead…

  7. TheObserver says:

    First, here is what John Quincy Adams said about Mohammed:
    “He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE. [emphasis in the original]”

    Here is what he said about the Quaran:

    “The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.”

    Here is what Thomas Jefferson said:

    “Verily I say these are the false shepherds foretold as to enter not by the door into the sheepfold, but to climb up some other way. They are mere usurpers of the Christian name, teaching a counter-religion made up of the deliria of crazy imaginations, as foreign from Christianity as is that of Mahomet.”

    Adams and Jefferson asked the ambassador to Tripoli, Mr. Adja, why the Muslims of the Maghrib, the “Barbary pirates” as they were known in the West, did as they did. He had no trouble answering them, as the report written by Jefferson and Adams to the Continental Congress shows:

    “…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

  8. beuverta says:

    How can we make a realistic film with all the actual facts about Mohammed? The sooner the better.

  9. Amin Riadh says:

    Lol! Does the USA has some Nuclear Bombs – yes… everyone knows about them. So do other countries – including several Muslim countries – Pakistan and Turkey for example. So what mythical powers?

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    Like all extremists you have lost your power of reasoning and rationality.

  10. RK says:

    @Amin Riadh: I provided a video link and still you don’t believe like you don’t believe that 9/11 was caused by Muslims. You are a true Muslim, fully brainwashed.

  11. Amin Riadh says:

    No it isn’t. Not in this case. As you express same type of views.

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    Such mythical powers do not exist. If they did… Why is USA army so poor despite er… these mythical powers?

  12. RK says:

    @Amin Riadh being a bigot is better than being a terrorist.

    And what is this mythical full fire power? –> See an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYe_UaWZ3U

  13. Amin Riadh says:

    In other words you are a bigot. Your repeated comments have shown this.

    If USA was all that good then it would have succeeded. It didn’t. If West had all that much humanity – they wouldn’t have gone in at all.

    And what is this mythical full fire power? And what would it have achieved? These are merely thoughts of your sick mentality.

    Right here, it is you who is thinking of wiping Muslims out… So you hardly are the moral one.

  14. RK says:

    @Amin Riadh because they have humanity in them unlike Muslims. Do you seriously think Afghanistan stands a chance if West comes at with full fire power? They can turn it into pile of rubble in one day.
    “Which shows it is you who needs to wiped out”–> Muslims always dream of wiping out infidels, problem is that in this day of science and technology they can’t., no matter how much they try.

  15. Amin Riadh says:

    In whole of this article there is no mention of the following:

    either a “astronomical model” or “mathematical model/analysis”.

  16. Amin Riadh says:

    You post disgusting comments. Which shows it is you who needs to wiped out. So why did West fail to conquer Afghanistan? And that took over 10 years… but still failed miserably? Iraq?

  17. shogan says:

    Amin Riadh,
    you may check indian astronomical and mathematical model here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryabhata

  18. RK says:

    If West wanted to destroy Muslims, they would do it in one day without a single fatality on their side. What would Muslims do if West countries fire Nukes at them? Throw camel dung at the nuclear missiles?

  19. Amin Riadh says:

    [[Please take a look at list of terrorist organizations in wiki. Why are most of them Islamic?]]

    Because it is Muslims carry it out.

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    [[Another question, both Budhhists and Muslims are being oppressed by Chinese. But why only Muslims kill innocents there and not Budhhists?]]

    What are you on about?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Tibetan_unrest

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    [[Another one, you people say that terrorism is invented by West and Israel. Why they can’t do it with other religions? Why only Islam?]]

    What are you on about? Terrorism did start in West. However it is “hardly” by Muslims.

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    [[
    Muslims are in conflict with :
    1)Christians –> Russia]]

    Yes. But i don’t think they are Christians. It is a FACT that it was dear Russia oppressing Muslims. So how is it Muslim fault?

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    [[2)Jews –> Israel]]

    So how would you like if your home was violated and invaded? Muslims take no shit.

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    [[3)Atheists –> China]]

    So if you claim… Chinese are oppressing Muslims there… then how come Muslims are to blame?

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    [[4)Hindus –> India]]

    Outside of Kashmir – there is no real Hindu Vs Muslims in India. Muslims are part of EVERY aspects of Indian life. Bollywood to Politics.

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    [[5)Sikhs –> Punjab(before Punjab was divided)]]

    Make belief.

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    [[6)Buddhists –> Myanmar]]

    And who is the terrorist there?

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    [[7)Among themselves –> ME]]

    What does this mean?

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    [[Why can’t they get along with anyone?]]

    Let us see… this is nit-picking conflicts where Muslims are involved… and then you mentioned EVERY place where Muslims aren’t even responsible!

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    So try answering your own stupid question! And I like how you nicely avoided mentioning West. West and its terrorism.

  20. Amin Riadh says:

    [[You said lack of knowledge is ignorance.Correct!]]

    So why did you state it was stupidity?

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    [[But what if you have access to information and still choose to remain ignorant,,then it’s safe to say you are at least stupid.]]

    Your silly standard… as humans have limited capacity to learn and retain info. Hence given your repeated atrocious ignorance, then by your own measure, you are very stupid.

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    http://www.essential-humanities.net/history-overview/world-history-timeline/

    [[Notice the Indian sub-continent and Egyptian civilizations predate the Chinese.]]

    Notice how pathetic a liar you are… to mention Egyptian again. As for Chinese Vs Indian.

    And by your own link you lied! Pretty incredible!

    Indus civilization
    ca. 2500-1500 BC Vedic age
    ca. 1500-500 BC Indian kingdom age
    ca. 500 BC-1200 AD
    ancient China (Xia > Shang > Western Zhou > Han)
    ca. 2000 BC-500 AD

    This states beginning of India Civilization – beginning of the Vedic age happened AFTER and concurrent to ancient Chinese civilization.

  21. Phoenix says:

    I said:Who mentioned anything about civilization? Besides,Indian and Egyptian civilizations precede the Chinese.”

    Amin:Oh look! Another mistake of yours which I have caught! Oh dear… how mistake ridden you really are!
    Full of ignorance and stupidity…//

    You said lack of knowledge is ignorance.Correct! But what if you have access to information and still choose to remain ignorant,,then it’s safe to say you are at least stupid.

    http://www.essential-humanities.net/history-overview/world-history-timeline/

    Notice the Indian sub-continent and Egyptian civilizations predate the Chinese.

  22. RK says:

    @Amin Riadh : Please take a look at list of terrorist organizations in wiki. Why are most of them Islamic?Just answer this simple question. Don’t come up with “Wiki is owned by Zionists ” and such crap.
    Another question, both Budhhists and Muslims are being oppressed by Chinese. But why only Muslims kill innocents there and not Budhhists?
    Another one, you people say that terrorism is invented by West and Israel. Why they can’t do it with other religions? Why only Islam?
    Muslims are in conflict with :
    1)Christians –> Russia
    2)Jews –> Israel
    3)Atheists –> China
    4)Hindus –> India
    5)Sikhs –> Punjab(before Punjab was divided)
    6)Buddhists –> Myanmar
    7)Among themselves –> ME
    Don’t forget Africa and Philipinnies.
    Why can’t they get along with anyone?

  23. Amin Riadh says:

    [[You make very little sense.Your contention is that locking people (criminals) up is barbaric,even sending them to rehab.How so? State your reasons and what are the alternatives from an Islamic view? A quick death?]]

    When I stated that locking people up was and is barbaric… then you mustered out:

    “Sending drug offenders to rehab is not barbaric”

    Er… how is locking people up and this one and same?

    “Your contention is that locking people (criminals) up is barbaric”

    Yes it is.

    “even sending them to rehab.How so?”

    Now, now.. your vile dishonesty added that. I didn’t. So you answer it.

    I only said… locking people up is barbaric. Which it is.

    Did you really think I will for that? How stupid! So you make it all up and I am meant to answer!

    My contention as you put it is that locking people up is barbaric form of punishment. And that is it.

    Now… I am perfectly willing to explain this. Any deceitful additions by you… then you answer them.

    Ha, ha! Now answer son… what is it you want me to explain?

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    And who labelled them as such? One again your “lying” come to fore. So what happened to locking people up? //

    You stated before that virtually all punishments are barbaric.

    “I gave you examples of punishments that does not inflict the type of brutality found in Sharia and now you accuse me of lying,your favorite ‘go to’ response.Really pathetic.”

    Lol! Where? Drug rehabilitation is NOT punishment it is rehabilitation!

    [See! More of your lying and stupidity eh! ]

    What is punishment:

    “the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence.”

    What is Rehabilitation:

    “restore (someone) to health or normal life by training and therapy after imprisonment, addiction, or illness.”

    So why did you mix these two up?

    A very nice example of the Equivocation Fallacy. Do look it up:

    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/equivocation/

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    [[We don’t punish nor lock people up for blasphemy and apostasy.So the Islamic alternative of a quick death is completely beside the point,ridiculous and barbaric.]]

    No. Blasphemy has no meaning in West anymore.

    “apostasy” There is version of it… treason.

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    [[ And which societies are these? Which “spies” have you seen being crucified? Are we talking about USA and its repeated tortures? //

    “And those perpetrators are reminded that they have violated our laws.Unlike in Islam where such brutal acts are mandated.” ]]

    Quit lying. USA torture victims are and have been mostly innocent. And this “torture” was outlawed. Supposedly a law to which USA subscribed. But then carried out this torture in secrecy.

    You held this up as supposedly Islamic only punishment… and now have become unstuck.

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    [[“Yes,Islam suppresses the moral intuition of its adherents through threats of death and barbaric lashings for heretical thoughts.”]]

    Oh dear! More lying from you! Now do give examples… say from the quran.. it should be easy for you to do. See how your lying work… you lie and then moan about it when picked up.

    Here is a clear chance… prove you are NOT lying by justifying this.

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  24. Amin Riadh says:

    [[-Amin is fond of calling people liars,since these accusations are unjustified,it’s clear he’s projecting.]]

    So if these accusations are “unjustified” then why have you failed to show WHY they are unjustified?

    A baseless accusation is easy to highlight. Given that you have failed answer the accusation shows that the accusation of you lying is correct.

    Furthermore:

    “it’s clear he’s projecting”

    See – [I am going to show you up as stupid right now!] – so if I have lied about something then do state what the lie is… just like I did!

    See how easy it was to expose your baseless accusation? And see how you are such a failure?

    – –

    [[He calls everyone stupid,yet asks really dumb questions like what is “mathematical analysis” and what’s “moral intuition”]]

    Really? So what exactly are those 2 things? And why is that you seem not know yourself? And are trying to pretend such things exist? Why not show everyone!

    Which mathematical analysis did the Indians invent? Do answer!

    Ha ha ha ha!

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    [[Has no idea what the scientific revolution is and thinks the Chinese were the earliest civilization.]]

    Lol! Ha ha ha!

    “and thinks the Chinese were the earliest civilization”

    Incorrect dear! And either you are deliberately lying or your comprehension is low and couldn’t understand the reply. I am going for deliberately lying. Now words of mine state that Chinese were the earliest Civilization on earth.

    So why did you not bother to answer what a “scientific revolution” is? Here I will help:

    http://users.clas.ufl.edu/ufhatch/pages/03-Sci-Rev/SCI-REV-Teaching/03sr-definition-concept.htm

    – –

    [[He cannot debate like a scholar,instead argues like a child and uses vulgarities.]]

    Do point examples of vulgarities by me?

    Oh and is this you debating like a scholar or whining?

    “Thanks for advertising your stupidity and childishness for the public. Your dumb questions are also duly noted.”

    So you deliberately “lying” is that debating like a scholar?

  25. Amin Riadh says:

    “Amin,accussing people of lying is not a counter argument that can be defended without specifics.You need to learn how to debate like a scholar.”

    You a scholar? Lol! What are you on about? You don’t know how to debate never mind like a “scholar”. Ha, ha, ha..

    And this lines means nothing. If the accusation of lying is false then show why. Else it isn’t you are liar who has lied. Your lie still remains there. It is a lie. You have done nothing to show WHY the lie isn’t a lie. Hence it is a lie.

    – –

    “See,right there,you’re a typical example of a manchild (a little boy trapped inside an adult’s body).Try arguing like an adult.”

    Boo hoo… is this you arguing like an adult? Posting creepy lies then claiming you are arguing like and adult? Doesn’t work.

    Like I said… after telling a lie then making excuses has never worked.

    – – –

    “You have no idea what the scientific revolution is,do you?”

    No dear. It is YOU who doesn’t. Else you would have explained it.

    – – –

    “You must have had an imaginary discussion with yourself because I have only one username.”

    Lol! Pretend away… but your petty rhetoric and stupidity are same. Now , my enemy… there isn’t all that many places you can run to.

    – –

    Lol! What exactly is:
    “mathematical analysis ”
    And:
    “astronomical model”
    Of what? Your backside? //

    [[Thanks for advertising your stupidity and childishness for the public. Your dumb questions are also duly noted.Apparently you’ve never heard of the terms “mathematical analysis” and “astronomical model”,even though you could easily search for their meanings.]]

    Yes. Or you could have done it show this “stupidity”… although lack of knowledge is known IGNORANCE and not stupidity… [see how I showed your stupidity right there?]

    There is no such specific thing. Don’t just duly note question… but answer and when you see you cannot then this will reveal your ignorance and stupidity.

    I am 100% right. You didn’t know what you are on about. Hence this poor answer.

    Is this how you “adults” argue? When your mistakes are highlighted then rather than answering you pretend you are right… lol!

    Like I said I will show you up every time.

    Where will you run to?

    – – –

    “Who mentioned anything about civilization? Besides,Indian and Egyptian civilizations precede the Chinese.”

    Oh look! Another mistake of yours which I have caught! Oh dear… how mistake ridden you really are!

    Full of ignorance and stupidity…

    – – –

    [[This comment is supposed to refute what? The fact that the Chinese though the earth was flat up until the 17th century?]]

    And what of it? So did other such as the Indians. Until told otherwise. What has this got to do with anything?

  26. Phoenix says:

    So let’s recap:

    -Amin is fond of calling people liars,since these accusations are unjustified,it’s clear he’s projecting.

    -He calls everyone stupid,yet asks really dumb questions like what is “mathematical analysis” and what’s “moral intuition”

    -Has no idea what the scientific revolution is and thinks the Chinese were the earliest civilization.

    -He cannot debate like a scholar,instead argues like a child and uses vulgarities.

  27. Phoenix says:

    Hence, my point remains, locking people up is Barbaric.//

    You make very little sense.Your contention is that locking people (criminals) up is barbaric,even sending them to rehab.How so? State your reasons and what are the alternatives from an Islamic view? A quick death?
    ==

    And who labelled them as such? One again your “lying” come to fore. So what happened to locking people up? //
    You stated before that virtually all punishments are barbaric.I gave you examples of punishments that does not inflict the type of brutality found in Sharia and now you accuse me of lying,your favorite ‘go to’ response.Really pathetic.
    ==
    Hardly. As explained locking people up is often far more Barbaric then quick death. See how you tried to lie your way past? //

    We don’t punish nor lock people up for blasphemy and apostasy.So the Islamic alternative of a quick death is completely beside the point,ridiculous and barbaric.
    ==
    And which societies are these? Which “spies” have you seen being crucified? Are we talking about USA and its repeated tortures? //

    And those perpetrators are reminded that they have violated our laws.Unlike in Islam where such brutal acts are mandated.
    ==
    Atta boy! Hence claiming Muslims somehow lack this shows your hatred and bigotry.//

    Yes,Islam suppresses the moral intuition of its adherents through threats of death and barbaric lashings for heretical thoughts.There can exist no freedom because the ideology is enforced with promises of beheadings.And since freedom is a necessary presupposition for morality,Islam cannot be moral without freedom and choice.

  28. Phoenix says:

    //In other words I was right. You couldn’t. And if this charge was so false – then why weren’t you able to explain EXACTLY why it was so? Given you couldn’t explain it… this shows it was not a false charge.//

    Amin,accussing people of lying is not a counter argument that can be defended without specifics.You need to learn how to debate like a scholar.

    ==
    I will keep doing this to you… keep rubbing your face in. Enjoy being made fool of by a mere Muslim. Then curse your parents – for genes and providing you with quality education.//

    See,right there,you’re a typical example of a manchild (a little boy trapped inside an adult’s body).Try arguing like an adult.
    ==
    Incorrect. During their reign it did! What are you on about? Try reading their respective history.//

    You have no idea what the scientific revolution is,do you?
    ==
    Yes. Which shows you are Indian. And after I shut your other account up… I will do the same to you here.
    Because you lack the brains, the knowledge and the education. //

    You must have had an imaginary discussion with yourself because I have only one username.
    ==
    Lol! What exactly is:
    “mathematical analysis ”
    And:
    “astronomical model”
    Of what? Your backside? //

    Thanks for advertising your stupidity and childishness for the public. Your dumb questions are also duly noted.Apparently you’ve never heard of the terms “mathematical analysis” and “astronomical model”,even though you could easily search for their meanings.
    ==
    Chinese civ occurred before either and it pumped India… India mostly is cross between Europeans and Chinese after all.
    Keep your baseless and ignorant racism to yourself.//

    Who mentioned anything about civilization? Besides,Indian and Egyptian civilizations precede the Chinese.
    ==
    Lol! As did the Indians. How vile!//

    This comment is supposed to refute what? The fact that the Chinese though the earth was flat up until the 17th century?

  29. Amin Riadh says:

    A lying Hindu right here… this is EXACTLY what Sina breeds.

  30. Juan says:

    Hi, I have seen these refugees live Bangla Desh hidden villas on the banks of Ganges plotting and biding his time to fall on the Indians, everything You says is truth Mr.Sina novelty, thanks for your article

  31. Amin Riadh says:

    “Your false charges don’t need defending”

    In other words I was right. You couldn’t. And if this charge was so false – then why weren’t you able to explain EXACTLY why it was so? Given you couldn’t explain it… this shows it was not a false charge.

    I will keep doing this to you… keep rubbing your face in. Enjoy being made fool of by a mere Muslim. Then curse your parents – for genes and providing you with quality education.

    – –

    “And yet the scientific revolution did not occur in any of those nations.”

    Incorrect. During their reign it did! What are you on about? Try reading their respective history.

    – –

    “It’s entirely conceivable that it could have occurred in India.”

    Yes. Which shows you are Indian. And after I shut your other account up… I will do the same to you here.

    Because you lack the brains, the knowledge and the education.

    – –

    “They had developed the mathematical analysis and an astronomical model but they had not yet invented the scientific method.”

    Lol! What exactly is:

    “mathematical analysis ”

    And:

    “astronomical model”

    Of what? Your backside?

    – –

    “Chinese were influenced by the indians,muslims and christians.”

    Chinese civ occurred before either and it pumped India… India mostly is cross between Europeans and Chinese after all.

    Keep your baseless and ignorant racism to yourself.

    – –

    [[They would have remained followers in the scientific field and not leaders.In fact,the chinese thought the earth was flat in the 17th century until Jesuit priests convinced them otherwise.
    https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Flat_Earth.html%5D%5D

    Lol! As did the Indians. How vile!

  32. Amin Riadh says:

    And what exactly are those? Virtually every single “punishment” is barbaric. Locking people up for a life time is “arguably” far more barbaric than a quick death.//

    [[-Sending drug offenders to rehab is not barbaric]]

    Locking people up to rehab for drug offenses. No sunshine… I do not allow such dishonesty. The two are not the same.

    Hence, my point remains, locking people up is Barbaric.

    – –

    [[-Neither are court-ordered anger management classes
    -How is a traffic fine a barbaric penalty?
    -Neither are community service or probation barbaric punishments.]]

    And who labelled them as such? One again your “lying” come to fore. So what happened to locking people up?

    – –

    “Punishments fit the crime in civilized societies.”

    Hardly. As explained locking people up is often far more Barbaric then quick death. See how you tried to lie your way past?

    Hasn’t worked in the past for you… what made you think it lying going to work again?

    – –

    “Unlike Islamic societies that behead apostates and blasphemers.Crucify spies.Stone adulterers and amputate the limbs of thieves.”

    And which societies are these? Which “spies” have you seen being crucified? Are we talking about USA and its repeated tortures?

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/cia-torture-report

    – –

    “The innate ability to distinguish between good and evil,without conscious reasoning.”

    Atta boy! Hence claiming Muslims somehow lack this shows your hatred and bigotry.

    – –

    “Spoken like a true muslim.If I’m of no benefit to anyone (namely muslims) then I’m not worthy of having my head attached.”

    You ain’t benefit to anyone… not with these kind of lies and stupidity… step up son!

    Exposed as “worthless” in the past and I will keep doing it to you.

    – –

    Oh… and try responding now…

  33. Amin Riadh says:

    What are you on about? As per usual… it is full of easy errors. Where do people like you come from? As long as it is anti-Islam then any old lie will go for you.

  34. maha says:

    Fantastic article.

  35. Phoenix says:

    And you won’t be able defend this lie either…//

    Your false charges don’t need defending

    ==

    All major Civilizations have had their time… Chinese, Egyptians, Arabs-Persian, Indians… Finally European – the darkest of all people.//

    And yet the scientific revolution did not occur in any of those nations.It’s entirely conceivable that it could have occurred in India.They had developed the mathematical analysis and an astronomical model but they had not yet invented the scientific method.
    Chinese were influenced by the indians,muslims and christians.They would have remained followers in the scientific field and not leaders.In fact,the chinese thought the earth was flat in the 17th century until Jesuit priests convinced them otherwise.
    https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Flat_Earth.html

  36. Phoenix says:

    And what exactly are those? Virtually every single “punishment” is barbaric. Locking people up for a life time is “arguably” far more barbaric than a quick death.//
    -Sending drug offenders to rehab is not barbaric
    -Neither are court-ordered anger management classes
    -How is a traffic fine a barbaric penalty?
    -Neither are community service or probation barbaric punishments.

    Punishments fit the crime in civilized societies.Unlike Islamic societies that behead apostates and blasphemers.Crucify spies.Stone adulterers and amputate the limbs of thieves.

    ===
    What is a “moral intuition”? Try defining that first…//

    The innate ability to distinguish between good and evil,without conscious reasoning.
    ===
    Now… is there any use of you keeping yours? What difference do you make to anyone? //
    ==
    Spoken like a true muslim.If I’m of no benefit to anyone (namely muslims) then I’m not worthy of having my head attached.

  37. Amin Riadh says:

    “If Islam ever dominates the planet, we can say goodbye to all the scientific advances that humanity has achieved. ”

    Yet when Islam dominated – Science didn’t stop but flourished.

    – –

    “Imagine a Muslim Einstein”

    Yes… Einstein and his role in the Atomic Bomb?

    http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm

    We won’t bother to mention the best killing devices are as expected about all Western inventions.

    – –

    How diseased you people are! Quite amazing isn’t it.

  38. Amin Riadh says:

    “Unfortunately,the muslim rulers did not see the value in his work ,which was welcomed with open arms in Christian Europe.”

    People like you are immoral… therefore keen on lying. I have caught your previous lies… did you defend any? No.

    And you won’t be able defend this lie either…

    – –

    “and for this reason the scientific revolution occured in Europe instead of the Middle East”

    All major Civilizations have had their time… Chinese, Egyptians, Arabs-Persian, Indians… Finally European – the darkest of all people.

    What goes around comes around. It is already the beginning of the end of Europe.

  39. Amin Riadh says:

    More nonsense. You won’t comment when I am around to put you in your place.

    – –

    “Muslim leaders enforce Islamic “moral” principles through barbaric punishments”

    And what exactly are those? Virtually every single “punishment” is barbaric. Locking people up for a life time is “arguably” far more barbaric than a quick death.

    Timothy McVeigh – for example – what would have been the point of keeping him alive?

    – –

    “Thus muslims have no genuine moral intuition”

    What is a “moral intuition”? Try defining that first…

    – –

    “except for the neccesity to avoid having your head chopped off.”

    Now… is there any use of you keeping yours? What difference do you make to anyone?

    – –

    I am here for you…

  40. Phoenix says:

    //Morality in Islam has nothing to do with what others understand by this word//

    Muslim leaders enforce Islamic “moral” principles through barbaric punishments.Thus muslims have no genuine moral intuition,except for the neccesity to avoid having your head chopped off.

  41. Phoenix says:

    Imagine a Muslim Einstein,

    There have been a few brilliant muslim scientists but none stands out as much as Alhazen,the muslim version of Einstein.He is credited with inventing the scientific method long before European Christians knew about this method.Unfortunately,the muslim rulers did not see the value in his work ,which was welcomed with open arms in Christian Europe.Muslims have their priorities screwed up,they value war more than science,and for this reason the scientific revolution occured in Europe instead of the Middle East.

  42. RK says:

    If Islam ever dominates the planet, we can say goodbye to all the scientific advances that humanity has achieved. Imagine a Muslim Einstein, he would be using his brain to kill infidels and unholy Muslims(reminds me of Zombie movies).
    What a terrible mindset this religion creates. It is worse than many deadly diseases .
    I hope movie on Mohammad is coming out soon.

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