Does Black Magic Work?

ODD GIRL says:

dear slaveofprophet. and anyone who agree with this quranic do do mindset
– you are a freak and your god is a freak! I cant believe in this day and age, you are uttering, believing and following such bull crap! are you actually listening to yourself? you are damning intelligent, wise and enlightened HUMAN BEINGS to hell? pleeeeaaaaase! give it a rest and your pathetic backward and disgusting religion a rest! AND TELL YOUR ALLAH TO GO AND HAVE A REST TOO! I think he needs a therapist FAST! your Muslim genes are from incest! did your Adam and eve have children? yes! and those children shagged each other and so forth and therefore your mankind was born! so what are you chatting? BAKWAS! absolute bakwaas! ancestry by perverse and disgusting deeds! and lets not forget all the pagan sacrificial stuff you did then AND still do now! you are pathetic and even having a conversation with you is a total waste! You don't even know the meaning of god, let alone who god is! ALL RELIGIONS ARE MANMADE IN LA LA LAND! GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WANT YOU AND NEED YOU! IN HELL!

ahsan says:

How many of you believe in God ???

If yes please dont let insult your religious authorities just because of personal hatered of followers.

Jusus,Mohammad,and rest of all discussed are pious people and they done nothing bad to you guys but in my point of view you all are hurt to extremist acts of their followers but did nothing to you wrong so please dont go extreme side and stay with your logics and enjoy life every thing will be decided on jugment day or after your death .So some will be burnt due to their wrost logics,some were buried in earth apperently but actually in hell and very few with right logics followers will rest in peace but all will be decided after death .so please dont fight here wait for your turn.God bless all of them who live as per God insturctions and rest off all please find the right path at their own ,fighting dosent leads to haven every faith leader suggest best peace live so follow peace not voilence.

Katarina says:

The Abrahamic religions consist ot 3, not one. i.e. Judaism. Chritianity & Islam.

knowTheEnemy says:

I am afraid there are multiple flaws in your argument. It isn't belief in 'God' that is harmful, rather what it is that one believes about that God / supernatural power that is harmful. Human mind has a specialty that it can respond both to science and arts. Things of arts may or may not be scientifically correct/ true, but they impress, sometimes profoundly, the human mind. E.g. Horror movies and inspirational movies are both pieces of art. A skilled director can make a great horror movie that can scare the viewer very bad, even if the viewer is a top scientist! When the movie Jaws came out, for months people (Americans) wouldn't go to the beach! That is the 'supernatural' power of arts! If you liked sunbathing and you hadn't yet seen the movie, the seaside beaches were all yours to enjoy.;

["My ID can be displayed. I'm scared of NONE. "]

If YOU had seen Jaws in 1975, even you wouldn't have dared come to a beach 😉

God (or supernatural power) belongs in the realm or arts! Islam is like a horror movie directed by Satan himself, and its scared viewers have thoroughly submitted themselves into lifelong fear and slavery. Islam is indeed a curse on its believers (and non-believers!). I am not sure if I agree about other religions being a 'curse' on believers!
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["Even Ali Sina, who condemns Islam and all religions, ….."]

Ali does NOT condemn "all religions"! He only condems Islam and other religions/sects that trick people into doing evil things, or otherwise have people make their lives miserable.
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["This shows the mental slavery of human beings that….."]

It is not "mental slavery"; it is arts (mixed with science in Ali's case)! Ali has not turned his life into what someone may call a 'curse'. He cares about people (as is apparent from his writings) and is finding his own truth with an open mind! This is not even remotely a "mental slavery"!
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["…… that even the most refined and evolved people can't also rise above god and religion."]

God and religion are two separate things. Religion is simply a set of rules that one lives by (or tries his best to live by). 'God' is not necessary for religion! For example, Buddhism is a 'religion' with no God!

Or take the case of Jesus. There are lots of people who like the personality of Jesus and like what he did. They wouldn't even challenge the claim that Jesus was 'God' (or sent by God). However, lots of these Jesus admiring people do not like Christianity (a religion)! Hence, the wise thing to do is to differentiate between 'belief in God', and religion!
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["….. a concocted identity, called The Creator"]

Not everyone believe in a "Creator". There are also people who believe in "The Do-er" (see Leela), or some other viewpoint.

SUMIT PAUL says:

Quran contains desert balderdash. Like scriptures of all faiths, it's rank useless for mankind. Remember, there's no god, satan, hell or heaven. These're mere concoctions of ill-evolved and terrified minds. Rise above god and religion and banish these banes that have shackled the mankind.

-SUMIT PAUL, Poona ([email protected])

GeertW4President says:

Mohammed gangster XD
After all they start with same letter:

Mohammed – Mafia – letter M

GeertW4President says:

What about using your own brain for once?

Hope says:

Interesting

shaiva_hindu says:

shabeer why don't you use blogs and throw the links here .the content you copy/paste is equivalent to spamming.

slaveofprophet says:

@chuckc
Non-believers in Allah & Prophet can not be said innocent. If they were/are innocent why prophet (PBUH) would fight thousands of war against so called innocent people. Innocent are only those people who are believers in Allah but get punished due to human misjudgment for the crime which they have not done against Islam.

cchuckc says:

@Shabeer
//1) my question to demsci about his claims,u r uninvited here, i think have no manners ,how to behave /treat it……………..uninvited guest has no right to asking question………………….is it u'r regular character,going all uninvited party??????????? //
1. Demsci was responding to my comment against which you commented. SO doesn't what you say about being uninvited actually apply on you? So I return you your question, is it u'r regular character to go uninvited to the party? 🙂
2. This is a public forum. Every person including infidels have every right to contribute. I am not sorry to inform you that You don't have an exclusive right to intrude and interfere.

//THAT THE EVIDENCE FOR KILLING INNOCENCE PEOPLE ["WHO ORDERING JUST DEALING ,WHETHER MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM]//
That isn't an evidence for not killing innocent people. I have asked you a very pertinent question which you decided to not answer. Is a person who denies that Muhammad was a prophet, or is an idolator or a polytheist, innocent?

//3) LIAR CHUCK BRING THE COMPLETE SENTIENCE OF IBN KATHEER TRANSLATION HERE ,WHY R U HIDE SOME PART OF TRANSLATION ?//
I brought in Kathir just to proof that Mo is here referring to the Jews. Do you disagree with that?

//They also>>>>>>> killed many Prophets <<<<<<<<<<when they conveyed to them what Allah legislated for them, without cause or criminal behavior committed by these Prophets, for they only called them to the truth.
And kill those men who order>>>>>>>>> just dealings<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
thus, demonstrating the worst type of arrogance//
At the very beginning Kathir makes it clear that he is referring to the Jews:-) Do you deny that?

//#The only Abrahamic prophet one can think of is Jesus AGAIN GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY THE HISTORY http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_i…. //
:-). You need a proper course in English. My statement started with "which Messengers have been killed by the Jews." It is in this context I said one can only think of Jesus, and even then that is wrong. The link you have given has nothing to do with this but with another Islamic lie about Ishmail.

//JEW VIEWS OF MARRY/JESUS:FROM JEW HOLY SCRIPTURE TALMUD//
//Sanhedrin 106a //
//Shabbath 104b it is stated//
//Sanhedrin 43a //
//Christians in Hell: In the above passage punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages." (Talmud) //
None of which proves that the Jews killed Jesus. The Jews had a rivalry with Jesus and it is not surprising if there are slanderous allegations against Jesus and his parents. But none of this proves that the Jews killed Jesus.

//1 Thessalonians Chapter 2 14-16: //
Unlike you I don't gloss through propaganda material but actually do deep studies. The general consensus among all scholars of Bible is that Thess, ch 2:13-16 are interpolations and not the words of St Paul. This is based on the fact that Paul himself says in 1 Cor 2:8 that Jesus was killed by rulers of this age. Also there is no historical evidence to suggest that the Jews persecuted the early Christians before the First Jewish War. What more Paul himself in Rom 11:26 says that all Israel will be saved. Since you don't seem to have read any scholarly thesis on Bible, you won't know of these. But if scholarship is something that you detest (or don't have the aptitude to study and understand) then please go through the gospel accounts of Herod and Pilate judging and condemning Jesus to death (even though Caiaphas, the Jewish priest, may have conspired to have him arrested in the first place).

Ali Sina says:

Okay. it was the belief of the people who healed them. That is what Jesus made clear. But Jesus himself was a believer in the power of God. So of course he could perform miracles. I don't believe in most of the Bible. Both the New and the Old Testaments are myths written by humans, Yet, I find in the stories and words of Jesus some truths that I don't think an ordinary man could know. He was something different. I am a rationalist. I rejected God because of it and I now believe in Him because of it. The difference between me and a religious person is that I have a very different understanding of God. Once day, if I can put that in writing I will write abut it. At this moment I can't.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer
//HOW MANY VERSES FROM QURAN AND HADETH SAYS KILLING OF INNOCENT HUMAN ALLOWED OR NOT //
Do you think a person who has rejected Islam and finds it to be a ugly religion, or is an idolator is innocent?

//quran:
3:21,5: 32,6: 151,17: 33,25: 68 ,49: 6,49: 6,2:83,2:84,2:85,2: 86,5: 28,8: 72,9: 4,4: 90,8: 61,17: 31,60: 12. 6: 140,81: 8.,60:12 ,6: 151//
Do you want me to go through the context of some of this or one is enough to expose your lie? Lets see Q 3:21 Verily, those who disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, then announce to them a painful torment.

How is it a prove of not killing innocents? Moreover this Mo's way of chastising the Jews. The people being referred here are the Jews. Kathir says: This Ayah chastises the People of the Book for the transgression and prohibitions they committed by their denials in the past and more recent times, of Allah's Ayat and the Messengers. They did this due to their defiance and rejection of the Messengers, denial of the truth and refusal to follow it.
Clearly Mo was miffed with these Jews who denied that he was a prophet. Also, it is interesting to note which Messengers have been killed by the Jews. The only Abrahamic prophet one can think of is Jesus. But Mo here is clearly disfiguring history since the Jews didn't kill Jesus, but the Romans did. Although it may be argued that many Jews didn't like Jesus, but also many did. The earliest followers of Jesus were all Jews called Judeo-Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Jews) . Either Mo/Allah didn't know this history or Mo was finding excuse to execute the Jews since they didn't consider him a prophet.

Demsci says:

//"SOME IMMORALPEOPLE ACTIVITIES CANNOT BE CONNECTED WITH ISLAM &nbsp;
IDENTITY OF ISLAM IS QURAN /SUNNA,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT"//

Shabeer, you make this point, DENYING THE BAD INFLUENCE OF ISLAM, &nbsp;then let me make my point in return: DENYING THE GOOD INFLUENCE OF ISLAM!

I say: "some nice, moral people' s activities cannot be connected with Islam EITHER!!!
Identity of Islam is Quran/ Sunna, please bring the evidence from it.

You see, all your life you have been thinking that Islam has a great beneficial influence, as it was told to you. But we can tell you that that beneficial influence was doubtful. That it really was influence from, say, Hindus, Westerners, pagans even. And not from Islam or NOT ONLY from Islam.

We can show you that so many infidels have the very same piety and do the very same good activities (and better) as the Muslims.

So, here is the thing; if you deny Islam's bad influence, then we deny Islam's good influence! And when Islam has no influence that is not also found outside Islam, what good is Islam, and why did Allah bother to introduce it to mankind???

cchuckc says:

//SO BRING THE VERSES WHAT ALLAH SAYS ABOUT THEM? //
Aha. I see in describing this you are not mentioning the context of the verses. Who was the terrorist here? Here is what Kathir says on this:
We will also mention a Hadith on this matter. Abu Ma`shar Al-Madani said that Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi and several others said, "The Messenger of Allah sent Abu Bakr to lead the Hajj rituals on the ninth year (of Hijrah). He also sent `Ali bin Abi Talib with thirty or forty Ayat from Bara'ah (At-Tawbah), and he recited them to the people, giving the idolators four months during which they freely move about in the land. He recited these Ayat on the day of `Arafah (ninth of Dhul-Hijjah). The idolators were given twenty more days (till the end) of Dhul-Hijjah, Muharram, Safar, Rabi` Al-Awwal and ten days from Rabi` Ath-Thani. He proclaimed to them in their camping areas, `No Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after this year

So it is the Muslims who were telling the idolators to forget following their ancient custom of performing Hajj PERMANENTLY.
Kathir in 9:3 further explains (I found that you skipped this): So this was the declaration of innocence, whoever among the idolators had no treaty, then he had a treaty of peace for one year, if he had a particular treaty, then it was valid until its date of expiration.

So this was imposed not only for those who had a treaty but also for those who didn't get into any treaty.
No wonder while explaining 9:5, kathir says: In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said, (I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.)

Against 9:6, Kathir quotes the following: When Musaylimah the Liar sent an emissary to the Messenger of Allah, he asked him, "Do you testify that Musaylimah is a messenger from Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' The Messenger of Allah said (I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed.) That man, Ibn An-Nawwahah, was later beheaded when `Abdullah bin Mas`ud was the governor of Al-Kufah. When it became known that he still testified that Musaylimah was a messenger from Allah, Ibn Mas`ud summoned him and said to him, "You are not delivering a message now!''

So even 9:6 isn't for safe passage for idolators but only holding back killing them until the time that they are no more delivering a message (emissary). Further explanation from Kathir himself:
In summary, those who come from a land at war with Muslims to the area of Islam, delivering a message, for business transactions, to negotiate a peace treaty, to pay the Jizyah, to offer an end to hostilities, and so forth, and request safe passage from Muslim leaders or their deputies, should be granted safe passage, as long as they remain in Muslim areas, until they go back to their land and sanctuary

cchuckc says:

@shabeer
//Adultery with slave girl prohibited, stone death punishment: //
Let me catch your lies.
//Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4201 //
It is adultery to have sex with other's slave not his own.

//Muslim :: Book 37 : Hadith 6676 //
:-). This one tells you what a fool Muhammad was. First he decided to kill another person simply because he heard that he has fornicated with one of Mo's sex slaves. Two, it was later found that the person had no sexual organs at all!!
So again a wrong example, first it is about sex with others' slave and second it shows that Mo didn't even care to find out the truth.

//Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6856//
Doesn't speak of any prohibition of having sex with own slaves.

//Slave sex prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 506//
This is same as Book 008, Number 3371
It clearly shows that the muslim wanted to have sex and then sell the women for money or ransom them. They asked Muhammad not about releasing these women or not having sex with them. Muhammad didn't stop his men from doing any of these either. They were simply asking whether they should do coitus interruptus (azl) with them that is enjoy sex without the risk of impregnating them. And Muhammad simply told them that they needn't worry about it and may go the whole way!!! Thats Muhammad for you and thats Islam for you. You were foolish to bring this hadeeth.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer

//20 TIME 200 TIMES IS NOT A VALID WAY OF ANSWERING ,ONE IS ENOUGH//
Spoken like a true loser. I have set a criteria, your quran failed that criteria. Thats all that matters. If one is enough then Q 9:5 is enough to prove that Quran is a filthy book.

//,SUPPOSE CONSIDER A FOOLISH JUDGE SAYS,I NEED 200 PERSON EVIDENCE FOR HIS PUNISHMENT //
Islam prescribes 4 witnesses as evidence for rape claim by a female victim. So you therefore should say that Islamic law, Sharia, is a foolish system. Right?

//IBN KATHEER EVER SAYS IT ABROGATED FROM HIS THAFSEER//
:-). You are either not well read in Islam or simply lying. I think the later. Here is what Kathir says in his tafisr of 9:5

This honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, "It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term.'' Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas commented: "No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah was revealed.

You understand that it abrogates every peaceful sura, 6:108 included!!

ihateislam says:

Slave mentality,
You were married to a woman who is 25 years older than you? I now understand better how you arrive at your very weird ideas. Since marrying women old enough to be your mothers is enshrined in muhammadanism as handed down by your prophet, why have you separated from your matron of a wife? Your prophet did not set that example even though he let Khadijjah die of heartbreak by wrecking her business.

shabeer says:

@Steadyfriend
#the bearded Bangladeshi/Pakistani ones) visiting parlours for sex in Bangkok,
SOME IMMORALPEOPLE ACTIVITIES CANNOT BE CONNECTED WITH ISLAM 
IDENTITY OF ISLAM IS QURAN /SUNNA,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT
Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3 
Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet." 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 415 
Narrated Humaid: 
I heard Muawiya bin Abi Sufyan delivering a sermon. He said, "I heard the Prophet saying, "If Allah wants to do a favor to somebody, He bestows on him, the gift of understanding the Quran and Sunna. I am but a distributor, and Allah is the Giver. The state of this nation will remain good till the Hour is established, or till Allah's Order comes." 
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 120 
Narrated Tariq: 
'Abdullah said, "The best talk is Allah's Book (Qur'an), and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad." 
49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

#muslims are allowed to have sex with their "right hand possessions";
The situation that prevailed in all societies where the institution of slavery existed was such that slave women were used at will and were employed to gain economic advantage by inciting them towards prostitution. As for Islam, it provided for a facility which would, in the course of one generation, bring an end to the system through the slave women themselves.

The slave woman is the property of the master. However, the master has no right, whatsoever, to incite her towards adultery. Like the male slaves, the female slaves, too, have rights of their own. It is the duty of the master to provide her with food, shelter, clothes and other necessities. Moreover, the Quran has asked the owner to make the necessary arrangements for her marriage as well (Quran 24:32).

This, in effect, means that the Quran has prompted the owner towards having sexual relations with an unmarried female slave. This permission is however restricted to the owner alone. None elseis allowed to use her in this fashion even if it be with the permission of the master!

shabeer says:

#Westerners who finally led mankind to get rid of slavery……………….THEY BEGIN THE TRADE SLAVERY ,MY LAST POST ,I PROVED…….ACTUALLY ISLAM THE TRUE RELIGION OF GOD BEGGING THE "COMPLETE WAY OF LIBERATION OF SLAVERY ",ITS NOT JUST DIALOGUE…..I HAVE PROOF:
1400 YEARS AGO PROPHET SAYS ABOUT SLAVE GIRL ( REMEMBER THAT ,NO UNIVERSITY THERE ,NO SOCIAL REFORMER,NO EDUCATION,A COMPLETE DARK AGE PEOPLE]  
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 255
 ,Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 655,
 Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 720,
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 723 ,
Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3327 , 3327, Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 285 
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: 
Allah's Apostle said, "If a person teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly, and then manumits and marries her, he will get a double reward. And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. And if a slave fears his Lord (i.e. Allah) and obeys his masters, he too will get a double reward." 
UNDER LINE THE WORDS " teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly"
14 TH CENTURY A HUMAN TALKING ABOUT THE EDUCATION & LIBERATION OF SLAVE GIRL ,DURING THE 18TH CENTURY U'R EUROPEAN DISCUSS ABOUT THE SUBJECT " WHETHER WOMEN[FREED] HAS SOUL OR NOT????
ITS NOT EQUAL EVEN,A COMPARISON ,ISLAM & WEST
It has been as an introduction to the study of the Qur'an’s vision
on slavery as well as its approach towards it that the origins and history
of the said tradition has been dealt with in detail. Instead of an
impractical and unscientific approach whereby a centuries-old
institution was sought to be abolished by a single declaration, Islam
developed and implemented a very practicable system of eliminating
slavery.
In this context, if the sheer practicability of Islam’s line of action
is to be fully appreciated, we will have to understand the very psychology
of the slave as well. There exists a vast difference between the mindset
of the slave and that of the free man. In the formation of the mindset
of the slave, a life of continual slavery exerts a very great influence
indeed. As a result of carrying the yoke of slavery upon himself for
generations, the habits of obedience and submission will have become
deep-rooted within his mind. He is, as such, incapable of executing
tasks on his own or taking up any responsibility. His mind, however, is
ever ready to take upon his head any command of the master and
knows, moreover, to carry forward all matters according to his master’s
wishes. Neverthless, he is able only to obey and execute orders. His
mind will be incapacitated in taking up responsiblities. His mind can, in
no wise, be so burdened. He is only able to flee from taking up
responsibilities. However, he will always be ready to take upon his
head whatever it is that the master commands.
The psychology of the slave and the master is located at two
opposite poles or extremes. If one is that of arrogance, the other will be
that of meekness. The example of America is, in itself, the best case in
point to show that the emancipation of slaves that is not based on an
approach whereby these mindsets, which are located at opposite poles,
are first brought together on to the same plane, will never be emancipation
at all. It was through the activism of Abraham Lincoln that, through a
single proclamation, the slaves in America achieved freedom one fine
morning! But what was it that actually happened there? The slaves who
ultimately recieved their freedom were, however, unable to bear the
‘burden’ of this freedom. They looked around, not quite knowing what
it was that they were to do. Since there was none to command them
now, they were unable to do anything at all. Indeed, they returned back
to their masters and actually asked them to take them back as slaves.
Here, it is seen that it is futile to physically set free those who are
psychologically unprepared for that freedom.
The Qur'an, which has been revealed by God who is fully aware
of the physical and mental states of human beings, has provided a
completely practical code of action. The system of slavery was one of
the pillars of the economic set-up of Arabia. It’s roots had penetrated
much deeper than to enable its eradication by a mere order of
prohibition. As a system that had prevailed in the regions where Islam
flourished as well as in areas where it did not, not only would it be
practically difficult to abolish it, but such a course of action would,
far from being effective, be quite harmful, indeed. It was, therefore,
that Allah, who is most aware of the nature of human society, contrary
to bringing a law that would completely abolish slavery, accepted a
practical code of action for its eradication.
MORE… .http://www.nicheoftruth.org/pages/the_quran_and_slavery.htm

shabeer says:

ISLAMIC LAW ABOUT U'R SUBJECT ANSWERED WITH QURANIC /SUNNA EVIDENCE ……..20 TIME 200 TIMES IS NOT A VALID WAY OF ANSWERING ,ONE IS ENOUGH………..
EX) A MAN KILLED A PERSON,ONE TRUSTFUL WITNESS ENOUGH FOR HIS PUNISHMENT,SUPPOSE CONSIDER A FOOLISH JUDGE SAYS,I NEED 200 PERSON EVIDENCE FOR HIS PUNISHMENT ,WESEND HIM METAL TREATMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ,IS IT?
#Abrogation is prescribed in Quran itself………….THAT NOT INVENTION OF SINNA GANGS ,PROOF NEEDED ,FOR  6:108 is abrogated by 9:5
IBN KATHEER EVER SAYS IT ABROGATED FROM HIS THAFSEER…….. 

shabeer says:

eror 1:Nowadays that will get you nowhere with human rights groups
EXCEPT ISL@M ,OTHER RELIGION EVER PROHIBITED KILLING WOMEN/CHILDREN
EX) 1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)
#Alive they were worth more to him and his men…….
A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME TO FIGHT WITH MUSLIM ,PROTECTING THEIR CHILDREN/WOMEN IS ''''WORTH'''''??????

Divine Wind says:

Real babarians' teachings. Always talk about killings, booty and spoils.

steadyfriend says:

Shabeer,
you write
"Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10 
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person."

…… but they can be enslaved as Mo and his followers did in Arabia or muslim marauders did when attacking India. After enslavement, the females can be screwed at will!
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Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10 
Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.

…… but Mo did precisely that to trees owned by a Jewish tribe and thereafter attacking them unannounced, slaughtered many and enslaving the rest. Screwing Jewesses followed thereafter. Mo's examples stink! He was some "insaan el-kamil"!

btw, the Book of Malik you quote from is not even a 'Sahih Hadith', of which there are only two, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. So, in reality, Mo was worse than depicted in this doubtful Hadith.

cchuckc says:

@Shabeer
//BEFORE CLAIM FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY WHO BEGIN/ESTABLISHED SLAVE TRADE ,THEN COME TO DEBATE WITH MUSLIM//
My dear Shabeer when will you stop your porcine behaviour?

//1) U NEVER BRING A VERSES FROM QURAN/SUNNA FOR THE SLAVE TRADE ……..PLZ BRING IT IF U CAN//
Quran 4:24, clearly references "Ma malakat aymanukum". What were they? It clearly allows a muslim man to indulge in sex with a slave woman, EVEN IF SHE IS MARRIED

Hadeeth/Sunnah: Shahi Muslim The following hadeeth proves that Mo had no problem with taking slaves and trading them for ransom. He also allows them to be sexually exploited before being returned/sold.
Book 008, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out
with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took
captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of
our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse
with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of
semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst
us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does
not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be
born.

/ /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Demsci says:

 //"[REMEMBER THAT 1% ENOUGH FOR WIN"//

True! But for Ali Sina and us!!! YOU REMEMBER; The Quran can only be delivered literally by God if it is FAULTLESS, something that it claims to be, doesn't it? And something that YOU claim.

So if even 1 % of the Quran is proven to be faulty, the Islamic myth of literal Divine Origine of the Quran is SHATTERED!

And Long since lists of faults in the Quran have been shown on the internet, all over the place.

It is YOU who is incapable of answering every charge of faults in the Quran. And your tactic thus is to only address the issues you feel comfortable about while ignoring 50 to 90 % of the faultcharges against the Quran, thus it is YOU who is tacitly admitting that Quran DOES HAVE FAULTS.

Remember, what is a fault of a human (like Chuck)? Normal; No problem. But a fault of God?! Impossible! So the conclusion after finding even one fault in the Quran that it is NOT literally from God. And YOU lose.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer,
//error 1: last post i say ' only one ' enough for the replay,that is quranic verses enough//
No my dear. In my first post I had made my condition clear: I see you have listed 18 verses above and another 20 verses below for what infidels are going to suffer. Lets see if your quran can have even half as many verses for the 3 values I have listed above.
So what is half of 20? 10. So all you were asked to bring were 10 verses each for three very basic human values. You failed.

//who tech u Islamic fundamentals ??????????? my previous post,i include some quranic verses for the sunna to be part of the Islamic law: //
Sunna = Hadeeth. I only asked for Quranic verses. Just admit that your Quran couldn't meet the criteria. Why beat around the bush? As I said, neither I nor you quoted anything from hadeeth when talking about punishment for the infidels (There are many actually).

//that enough for how sunna importance to Islamic fundamentals.//
May be. I know Quran can't walk without Sunnah. It is as lame as a sitting dodo without it. But that wasn't the criteria. So you accept that Quran, the divine book of the Muslims doesn't meet the challenge I had set. Thank you.

//6:108 is abrogated by 9:5…………………….[who invented the abrogation???? ali sinna ?????? brother ,the quranic verses revealed almighty allha ,even prophet has no rights to abrogate the verses//
Abrogation is prescribed in Quran itself. Naskh (Mansukh and Nasikh) is purely an Islamic concept, not an invention of non-muslims. If you don't know about these then what can I do? Do you even know what naskh al-hukm dūna al-tilāwa is? You are simply lying.

Moreover I explained why 6:108 isn't acceptable quoting the Tafsir of Kathir. The intention of it is not to respect others religion but to protect Allah from being ridiculed by others in the face of criticism. What more you couldn't even explain why if 6:108 is true Mo and his goons (Omar and Ali) broke all the idols in Kabba and elsewhere in Arabia?

And even if I consider it in all you could bring so far are 8 verses in a work composed of almost 7000 verses. Not even 30% of what I challenged you to bring:-). PATHETIC (But we already knew it).

shabeer says:

BEFORE CLAIM FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY WHO BEGIN/ESTABLISHED SLAVE TRADE ,THEN COME TO DEBATE WITH MUSLIM:
1) U NEVER BRING A VERSES FROM QURAN/SUNNA FOR THE SLAVE TRADE ……..PLZ BRING IT IF U CAN………..

2) WHO ARE SLAVE TRADERS?
he Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade took place across the Atlantic Ocean from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of those enslaved that were transported to the New World were West Africans from the central and western parts of the continent, sold by West Africans to Western European slave traders, or by direct European capture to the Americas. The numbers were so great that Africans who came by way of the slave trade became the most numerous Old-World immigrants in both North and South America before the late 18th century.[1] Far more slaves were taken to South America than to the north. The South Atlantic economic system centered on producing commodity crops, and making goods and clothing to sell in Europe, and increasing the numbers of African slaves brought to the New World. This was crucial to those European countries which, in the late seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, were vying with each other to create overseas empires.[2]The Portuguese were the first to engage in the New World slave trade in the 16th century, and others soon followed. Ship owners considered the slaves as cargo to be transported to the Americas as quickly and cheaply as possible,[2] there to be sold to labour in coffee, tobacco, cocoa, sugar and cotton plantations, gold and silver mines, rice fields, construction industry, cutting timber for ships, in skilled labour, and as domestic servants. The first Africans imported to the English colonies were classified as "indentured servants," like workers coming from England, and also, "apprentices for life". By the middle of the 17th century, slavery had hardened as a racial caste; they and their offspring were legally the property of their owners, and children born to slave mothers were slaves. As property, the people were considered merchandise or units of labour, and were sold at markets with other goods and services.The Atlantic slave traders, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch Empire, and the United States. They had established outposts on the African coast where they purchased slaves from local African tribal leaders.[3] Current estimates are that about 12 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic,[4] although the number purchased by the traders is considerably higher.[5][6][7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
 1.Curtin, Philip (1969). The Atlantic Slave Trade. The University Of Wisconsin Press. pp. 1–58.^ Jump up to: a b Mannix, Daniel (1962). Black Cargoes. The Viking Press. pp. Introduction–1–5.Jump up ^ Klein, Herbert S. and Jacob Klein. The Atlantic Slave Trade. Cambridge University Press, 1999, pp. 103–139.Jump up ^ Ronald Segal, The Black Diaspora: Five Centuries of the Black Experience Outside Africa (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1995), ISBN 0-374-11396-3, p. 4. "It is now estimated that 11,863,000 slaves were shipped across the Atlantic. [Note in original: Paul E. Lovejoy, "The Impact of the Atlantic Slave Trade on Africa: A Review of the Literature", in Journal of African History 30 (1989), p. 368.]"Jump up ^ Eltis, David and Richardson, David. The Numbers Game. In: Northrup, David: The Atlantic Slave Trade, 2nd edition, Houghton Mifflin Co., 2002, p. 95.Jump up ^ Basil Davidson. The African Slave Trade.Jump up ^ "African Holocaust How Many". 

KLMNOP says:

Internet is the medium which exposed this religion, and some of the Muslims have left Islam, after reading the Quran and Hadiths on these websites. Internet has been a boon for ex-Muslims, as they came to know the truth about the vile religion.

Nasir says:

I request all to study about islam properly.You can refer to islamic websites and islamic books available.You should not totally rely on this website. Visit other websites too.

Nasir says:

Hey…u should not say like that about who is a true muslim or not..Only allah =god knows who is a true muslim…

vishwa says:

That f****r know only arab so he said like that… Nonsense..

KLMNOP says:

It means a Dog is better than Allah, because even in his sleep the Dog is alert.

shabeer says:

@anti plz read the blog  http://womenislamf.blogspot.in/

cchuckc says:

@Shabeer
//QURAN LEARNING CLASS FOR CHUCK:
64:14among your wives and your children there are enemies for you ……………………..THAT IS EVEN THEY R AGAINST THE ISLAMIC LAW ,THEY R NON MUSLIM , FORCED HIM/HER TO DIS BELIEVE.//
Alas if you had read a bit of Quran yourself and some tafsir. Kathis makes it clear in his tafsir:
Allah states that some wives and children are enemies to their husbands and fathers, in that they might be busied with them rather than with performing the good deeds.
Caught you lying. Again!! So it is not about non muslim enemies.
That is why it is not a correct example.

//31: 15. But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge[THEY WELCOME THEIR /FORCED THEIR BELIEVES,THAT IS NOT REASON FOR MIS BEHAVE AGAINST THEM] , then obey them not, >>>>>but behave with them in the world kindly<<<<<[UR QUESTION ANSWER],//
I have already counted 31:15, even though I don't completely agree.

//3: 119. //
Ha ha. Here Muhammad is sowing the seeds of dissent among the early Muslims, just the kind of example you should HIDE from me:-)

//6: 108. And insult not //
1. Here is complete explanation:
Allah prohibits His Messenger and the believers from insulting the false deities of the idolators, although there is a clear benefit in doing so. Insulting their deities will lead to a bigger evil than its benefit, for the idolators might retaliate by insulting the God of the believers, Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He. `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas commented on this Ayah ﴿6:108﴾; "They (disbelievers) said, `O Muhammad! You will stop insulting our gods, or we will insult your Lord.' Thereafter, Allah prohibited the believers from insulting the disbelievers' idols
So it was a strategy, not a guidance, to stop insulting the idols since Muhammad feared that his pet Allah would be insulted in return. The Meccans were being provoked in going to some extremes!!
2. Muhammad himself along with his goons, Omar and Ali, broke the idols at Kabba and elsewhere. Were they following this 'guidance' then?
3. As per every authority on quran, Kathir included, this verse has been abrogated by Q 9:5, the verse of sword.

Shabeer, just a friendly advice. You can't win this debate. As I said, you brought in 20 verses that detail the punishment to the infidel, but only 7 verses covering 3 basic human ethical values. Thats how pathetic Quran is. You also can't win because many people now have access to Quran, Hadeeths and Tafsirs. They can pick up on your lies, cross reference these books and find for themselves how ugly these verses are.

I pity you. You are an Indian and your forefathers were most likely forced into Islam. There is a big chance that one of your great great grand mother was raped by the marauding muslims and may have spent a generation or 2 in their harems. Think about it or may be pick up a copy of Islamic historians like Firishta (Tarikh – i Firishta) or Ibn Batuta or Al Berauni to know the barbarous acts muslims did in India. If you already know this history, written by your own Islamic historians, then I can only call you a shameless liar.

shabeer says:

IDENTITY OF ISLAM:BOTH QURAN AND SUNNA49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.6: 21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers, etc.) shall never be successful.Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5818 Abu Huraira reported that he heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity. 4: 59. O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. 4: 69. And whoso obeys Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn, the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!4: 80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.4: 105. Surely, We have sent down to you (O Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'ân) in truth that you might judge between men by that which Allâh has shown you (i.e. has taught you through Divine Inspiration), so be not a pleader for the treacherous.4: 115. And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell – what an evil destination.Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 174Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 384, 391Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 208Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 381Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5920,22,23 Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3 Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet." 

KLMNOP says:

Superb…. Beautiful thoughts, loved it.

KLMNOP says:

Insane Question….

anti-islamic says:

idiotic slave
buddha in Hindi means old man.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer,
I only asked you to bring stuffs from Quran. And I see you could produce only 6 for parental love (and none for love of your brothers and sisters) whereas you produced as many as 20 threats to the infidels:-). Point proven.

anti-islamic says:

Shabeer
Are you ready to marry your 9 year old daughter with 53 year old BUDDHA ?
May I ask the age of your 4 wives ?( They are 9 year old girl children; am I right ? )
With how many daughter-in-laws you are married ?
Are you looking for old women like Khadija to marry ?
POLYGAMOUS,RAPIST, PEDOPHILE MUHAMMAD IS FEELING VERY PROUD IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE ON SEEING THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING HIS EVERY DIRTY INSTRUCTION.
s h a m e o n y o u r d i r t y m u h a m m a d

shabeer says:

 3. Treating war captives
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 255  ,Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 655, Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 720, Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 723 , Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3327 , 3327, Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 285 
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: 
Allah's Apostle said, "If a person teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly, and then manumits and marries her, he will get a double reward. And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. And if a slave fears his Lord (i.e. Allah) and obeys his masters, he too will get a double reward." 
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 721 
Narrated Al-Ma'rur bin Suwaid:
'Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job)."
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 29
Malik :: Book 54 : Hadith 54.16.40 ,54.16.41
Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4092, 4093, 4094, 4095
Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.' "
Released war captive by the order of their family:
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 716 
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 47 :: Hadith 778 
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 360 
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 608 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 288 
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 38 :: Hadith 503 
Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2308 
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2681
Good relationship to slave:
4: 36. Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;
Free slave with complete freedom /free slave as much as possible 
Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4102 ,4103, 4104, 4108,4109,
Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3578 
Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4110 [slave should not be overburdened], 4111

shabeer says:

1. Parental and sibling love,
Rights of mother:
46: 15 And We have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship and she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years,
31: 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination.
17: 23. And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you are dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honor.
24. And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: "My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was small."
2: 83 And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allah (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor and speak good to people [i.e. enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, and say the truth about Muhammad Peace be upon him ], and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders
2: 215. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allah knows it well.
4: 36. Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbor who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;
31: 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to me and to your parents, unto me is the final destination.
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 662 
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 480
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6180 ,6181, 6187, 6188
Disobedience to mothers/father prohibited:
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 159 ,160
Ubaidullah b. Abu Bakr said: I heard Anas b. Malik saying: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) talked about the major sins, or he was asked about the major sins. Upon this he observed: Associating anyone with Allah, killing of a person, disobedience to parents. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: Should I not inform you about the gravest of the major sins, and (in this connection) observed: False utterance or false testimony. Shu'ba said. It was most probably" false testimony".
Muslim :: Book 18 : Hadith 4257 ,4260
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6192, 6193
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 162
Responsible for looking parents:
29: 8. And we have enjoined on man to be good and dutiful to his parents,…..
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 395 
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 2,4
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.5.14 
Kindness to Parents
2: 215. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allah knows it well.
19: 14. And dutiful towards his parents, and he was neither an arrogant nor disobedient (to Allah or to his parents).
46: 15. And we have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship and she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years, he says: "My Lord! Grant me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds, such as please You, and make my off-spring good. Truly, I have turned to you in repentance, and truly, I am one of the Muslims (submitting to Your Will)."
6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
 

Demsci says:

Your list of prohibitions in the Quran is only about those women considered INNOCENT by all Muslims who know her.

But this list becomes meaningless when a group of Muslims decide that one particular young MUSLIMA is GUILTY. Of SPREADING MISCHIEF IN THE LAND in some way, maybe in a forbidden relation or sexual act, or a too loose dresscode.

Then that group may kill the Muslima, as if a Muslima is OWNED by her parents, family who may judge about her life and death according to many Muslims, even clerics.

As so often the Islamic holy texts are too unclear, incomplete, ambiguous, prone to "misunderstanding". And never is a Muslim thrown out of Islam because of wrong interpretation of holy texts. Instead it is prohibited for even the worst misunderstanders of the holy texts to leave Islam. So even if there are some good rules in Islam, they are never ENFORCED (except the rule of never leaving Islam).

Supriya says:

liar Shabeer
Discuss your fake Islamic verses with cchuckc.

Bhuvan Som says:

What is the hardest part about a muslim honour killing his daughter?

Suppressing an erection.
😀

KLMNOP says:

Your scientific book says that the sun sets in muddy water. If you really have brains and think with logical reasoning, you will find that the so called holy book have so many absurdities and insane quotes that you will surely throw that in garbage.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer
I have trashed your Islamic garbage many times. Want some more trashing (and thrashing)? Tell me what point are you trying to make?

shabeer says:

Punishment of sinner:
2:81. Yes! Whosoever earns evil and his sin has surrounded him, they are dwellers of the Fire (i.e. Hell); they will dwell therein forever.
3:116. Surely, those who reject Faith (disbelieve in Muhammad SAW as being Allâh's Prophet and in all that which he has brought from Allâh), neither their properties, nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allâh. They are the dwellers of the Fire, therein they will abide.
4: 56. Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allâh is Ever Most Powerful, All¬Wise.
39: 71. And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of the prisoners). And its keepers will say, "Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!"
40:43……..those who commit great sins, the transgressors of Allâh's set limits)! They shall be the dwellers of the Fire!
40: 72. In the boiling water, then they will be burned in the Fire.
41: 16. So We sent upon them furious wind in days of evil omen (for them) that We might give them a taste of disgracing torment in this present worldly life, but surely the torment of the Hereafter will be more disgracing, and they will never be helped.
41: 17. And as for Thamûd, We showed and made clear to them the Path of Truth (Islâmic Monotheism) through Our Messenger, (i.e. showed them the way of success), but they preferred blindness to guidance, so the Sâ'iqah (a destructive awful cry, torment, hit, a thunderbolt) of disgracing torment seized them, because of what they used to earn.
42: 16. And those who dispute concerning Allâh (His Religion of Islâmic Monotheism, with which Muhammad SAW has been sent), after it has been accepted (by the people), of no use is their dispute before their Lord, and on them is wrath, and for them will be a severe torment.
42: 22. You will see (on the Day of Resurrection), the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) fearful of that which they have earned, and it (Allâh's Torment) will surely befall them,
44: 43. Verily, the tree of Zaqqûm, 44. Will be the food of the sinners, 45. Like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies, 46. Like the boiling of scalding water. 47. (It will be said) "Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing Fire, 48. "Then pour over his head the torment of boiling water
45: 7. Woe to every sinful liar,
8. Who hears the Verses of Allâh (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!
9. And when he learns something of Our Verses (this Qur'ân), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.
45: 31. But as for those who disbelieved (it will be said to them): "Were not Our Verses recited to you? But you were proud, and you were a people who were Mujrimûn (polytheists, disbelievers, sinners, criminals)."
32. And when it was said: "Verily! Allâh's Promise is the truth, and there is no doubt about the coming of the Hour," you said; "We know not what is the Hour, we do not think it but as a conjecture, and we have no firm convincing belief (therein)."
33. And the evil of what they did will appear to them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!
34. And it will be said: "This Day We will forget you as you forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours. And your abode is the Fire, and there is none to help you."
35. This, because you took the revelations of Allâh (this Qur'ân) in mockery, and the life of the world deceived you. So this Day, they shall not be taken out from there (Hell), nor shall they be Yustâ'tabûn (i.e. they shall not return to the worldly life, so that they repent to Allâh, and beg His Pardon for their sins).
46: 20. On the Day when those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) will be exposed to the Fire (it will be said): "You received your good things in the life of the world, and you took your pleasure therein. Now this Day you shall be recompensed with a torment of humiliation, because you were arrogant in the land without a right, and because you used to rebel and disobey (Allâh).

shabeer says:

83: 29. Indeed, those who committed crimes used to laugh at those
who believed.
30. And when they passed by them, they would exchange derisive
glances.
31. And when they returned to their people, they would return
jesting.
32. And when they saw them, they would say, "Indeed, those are
truly lost."
33. But they had not been sent as guardians over them.
34. So Today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers,
35. On adorned couches, observing.
36. Have the disbelievers [not] been rewarded [this Day] for what
they used to do?
88: 17. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?
18. And at the heaven, how it is raised?
19. And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?
20. And at the earth, how it is spread out?
21. So remind them (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)), you are only a one who reminds.
22. You are not a dictator over them.
23. Save the one who turns away and disbelieves
24. Then Allâh will punish him with the greatest punishment.
25. Verily, to Us will be their return;
26. Then verily, for Us will be their reckoning.
92: 5. As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allâh and fears Him,
6. And believes in Al-Husna(truth).
7. We will make smooth for him the path of ease (goodness).
8. But he who is greedy miser and thinks himself self-sufficient .
9. And gives the lie to Al-Husna ;
10. We will make smooth for him the path for evil;
96: 6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).
7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
22: 51. But those who strive against Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), to frustrate and obstruct them, they will be dwellers of the Hell-fire.
11: 18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh. Such wi,l be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allâh is on the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.).
19. Those who hinder (others) from the Path of Allâh (Islâmic Monotheism), and seek a crookedness therein, while they are disbelievers in the Hereafter.
20. By no means will they escape (from Allâh's Torment) on earth, nor have they protectors besides Allâh! Their torment will be doubled! They could not bear to hear (the preachers of the truth) and they used not to see (the truth because of their severe aversin, inspite of the fact that they had the sense of hearing and sight).
21. They are those who have lost their ownselves, and their invented false deities will vanish from them.
22. Certainly, they are those who will be the greatest losers in the Hereafter.
23. Verily, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh – Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and humble themselves (in repentance and obedience) before their Lord, – they will be dwellers of Paradise to dwell therein forever.
21: 3. And among mankind is he who disputes concerning Allâh, without knowledge, and follows every rebellious (disobedient to Allâh) Shaitân (devil) (devoid of each and every kind of good).
4. For him (the devil) it is decreed that whosoever follows him, he will mislead him, and will drive him to the torment of the Fire. [Tafsir At-Tabarî]
13: 42. And verily, those before them did devise plots, but all planning is Allâh's. He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end (final destination).
14: 3. Those who prefer the life of this world instead of the Hereafter, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh (i.e.Islâm) and seek crookedness therein – They are far astray.
16: 61. And if Allâh were to seize mankind for their wrong-doing, He would not leave on it (the earth) a single moving (living) creature, but He postpones them for an appointed term and when their term comes, neither can they delay nor can they advance it an hour (or a moment).
16: 88. Those who disbelieved and hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh, for them We will add torment over the torment; because they used to spread corruption [by disobeying Allâh themselves, as well as ordering others (mankind) to do so].

catalyst@99 says:

dr sina, how much money hav u been able to collect for the movie u were supposed 2 make? i hav great hopes in your movie.

Sakat says:

@Slave Prophet
Very simple hahaha………………….!
Don't believe the God (Allah) unless proved with practical evidence ,if not ,don't waste your hard earned money for that "Hajj" pilgrimage only to invite curse of so many animals sacrificed for Abraham's son(the pagan rhetoric's hahaha……!).

Sakat says:

@Narcole
Sorry I couldn’t reply your post early ,because of prior commitment.

“what if there's no god, or what if god slept?”

I am not convinced with your reply baby, I am specific while asking my above question(when I placed this question to you)that ,”if there was no God” at all in existence (from human psyche or he was alien to him ),so in this context you cannot bring your standard reply ”the God is in sleep” ( people live in many kind of houses ,don’t try to see the scene from the window of your house for all of them )

This was “Moses” question
I am Buddhist and I don’t know who is Moses , even though for the sake of argument ,I ask you ,”how Moses came to know that ,he is asking question to Allah directly(do Moses know how the God (Allah) is looking ,if yes ,then please explain how Allah looks ,as per Moses.)
After attaining enlightenment Buddha stood in front of that great banyan tree for second week staring at that tree under which he attained enlightenment in the previous week , he stood there without blinking his eyes only staring at that banyan tree for whole one week ,why Moses couldn’t control his sleep beyond three days .
Why Allah felt sending angels instead of directly interacting himself with Mosses ,do he interested in hide and seek game verily.

If Mosses can’t held two bottles for mere three days , how can he assure his followers of eternal life .My eternal mother will always awake till the last person is embraced even it took her well beyond 72 hours.

What specialty do you find in Moses , he too an ordinary person ,engulfed with sleep, food, self preservation etc kind of things.

What is that practical teaching of Allah? can you elaborate to my total satisfaction.

The Japanese people are Buddhist ,for them work is worship ,there is no scope for “God” in their society yet they live happy and peaceful life well beyond 100 years and making progress very fast each day and look at those societies ,where the entity called God rules the mind and heart of the inhabitants ,how poor and demoralized societies they form.

The two bottle speaks about heaven and the Universe , what about hell, where it lost its identity ?.Do you mean to say whole universe is hell?

How come you know, it is Allah who is holding all of this? May be you are conditioned by that psycho Mohammed but do not try to thrust it upon other intelligent humans.

First you should prove his existence and not his sleeping .Don’t talk about shadow but restrict to the object my dear .

I am pity at you as well on all the 1.5 billion wasting oxygen, for following this cult Islam propagated by a Psycho called Mohammed. My blessings will always there with you ,I am sorry to say ,that you are no where near to spirituality (You cannot expect it in Islam ) .

cchuckc says:

@Demsci
//Yes for us it IS an ugly book//
Ugly is an understatement:-).

KLMNOP says:

I have read some funny, some insane, quotes in Quran and could not stop laughing, but the barbaric quotes made me believe that it is not holy but Ugly Quran.

slaveofprophet says:

@KLMOP
If you would have read world best book Holy Quran you would not question to me. Read Quran and make conclusion.

slaveofprophet says:

@KLMNOP
Noble= A true Muslim who follow path shown in holy Quran
for Example Exp. " Abdu Rasool (Slave of prophet) mostly  views based on holy Quran".

KLMNOP says:

Do you know the meaning of Noble?

Supriya says:

Demsci
slaveofprophet is advocating for terrorist organisation Taliban. It seems that he has mortgaged conscience.
In Indian it is said that Nirlajjam Sadasukhi. It means those who are shameless are always happy.

slaveofprophet says:

@Bharatiy Kanya
I am a believer in prophet & Allah. My lord Allah said in holy Quran for the wrong doers like you 

Quran (9:5) – And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Supriya says:

slaveofprophet
I am saying the same . Yasin Bhatkal is fighting so that the dream of gangster Muhammad come true. Therefore Allah is punishing him daily in prison.

Supriya says:

slaveofprophet
You admitted that you are a terrorist who support the movement of Indian Mujahiddin and SIMI. Do you know Yasin Bhatkal who is begging for death in prison?

Supriya says:

Bharatiy Kanya
Unfortunately slaveofprophet is an Indian. His ancestors were barbaric desert Saudi Arabian. ( rapist, pimp,gangster) Muhammad employed them to intrude India. They frightened, murdered, raped Hindus to convert them to Islam. I don't know whether he belong to a terrorist group in Pakistan but but his hatredness towards Hinduism and it's Gods depicts that he is a member of Indian Mujahiddin or SIMI.

DeciDela says:

It is true…Buddha never mentioned any deity…he warned his people from the rebirth and the repeating cycle of suffering, he said the only way to avoid the rebirth is to be detached from this world and get rid of all desires. ..but he didn't mention what will happen to the soul that is set free and never reincarnate, actually, he explained this vaguely by saying that this soul will be united or become a part of the ultimate wisdom/truth

Demsci says:

//"i want to ask somebody …… about someone. if there's someone claims that hes muslim, how to analyze whether it's true?"//

I thought about this.

Suppose a baby is born from Muslim parents and (s)he lives perhaps 80 years and (s)he never apostasizes, is (s)he not a Muslim(a)?

If a person recites the Shahada and follow the rules of Hajj, Zakat, Ramadan, 5 prayers a day, is (s)he not a Muslim(a)?

What other criteria would YOU demand for calling someone a Muslim(a)? What must such a real Muslims believe, profess, do and what must they NOT believe, profess, do?

Then, when you are clear about the criteria to judge whether or not someone is a true Muslim,

will you not then also favor some kind of "organisation for true Muslims" and further favor that some authoritative leadership of that organisation has the power to throw members out and reject new members on the ground of clear rules, which are monitored and maintained?&nbsp;That way you could trust members of that organisation as "true Muslims".

Now? It seems to me you can't trust the vast majority of the world's self-confessed Muslims to be "true Muslims". You can't distinquish easily between the true and the fake Muslims. It makes you doubt what Muslims say and do.

It is because the message of Islam is unclear and cause of multiple different understandings IMO. And that while the Quran says that is clear and easy to understand (or something like that).

Tony stark says:

ali sina sir lord krishna also says in bhagwad gita that according to our worship our faith is fixed if fix our faith towards good or devatas we will also acquire their traits if we fix our faith in demons we will acquire that demonic trait but just like every rain drop directly or indirectly goes to ocean  ultimately every prayer goes to god who answers them accordingly   even in bhakti or devotion there is both positive and negative part  while in possitive we directly worship god but in negative part consists of insulting god just like kamsa and shishupal did they always thought of lord krishna they wanted to harm him somehow and ultimately they also got the highest of the slavation from hands of lord krishna even though it was different from a devotee but they too got the same place 

Aryan Hindu says:

http://krishna.com/what-does-it-mean-be-soul

narcole1919721 says:

Well, its clear from your reaction that u use chucks concept about taqdir/fate/destiny. if using ur taqdir concept, of course i would react the same. but thats not how it works. if i explain about my islam concept of  taqdir, u might get wrong idea about it cos u already absorbed another different concept which u think same, but actually not. so im taught not waste time to explain this different concept if someone tends to argue about taqdir, while not having same source about it.

Demsci says:

//"At the third day, Moses slept and the bottles fell on the ground and broke up. 
Moses woke up and was upset because he could not take care of the bottles."//

This analogy clearly prefers whole bottles to broken ones. and the situation that Allah holding up the heavens and the huge universe as better than Allah sleeping or neglecting this.

So then a Muslim is grateful to Allah that the heavens and the universe do not crash?! Does this mean that a Muslim regards life as positive, better than not living (for with a crashed universe mankind could not live)?

Where does the Muslim go from there? Is all human life considered positive? Even if that positive life is spoiled because of bad choices, bad behavior, and hell as afterlife for 99,9 % of mankind?! Is life then still considered positive, because of which the Muslim heartily thanks Allah? Or is the Muslims only grateful for the 0,1 % of babies, that live, choose for Islam, and end up in heaven?

Demsci says:

//"and about the billions of humans and muslims number, i guess u never heard  hadith regarding "saved group" and "999 out of 1000 will go to hell."//

Wow! What a direct answer! But questions rise;
What kind of idiot plan is this of God Almighty?!

It creating mankind, then intervening with presenting mankind a beliefsystem based on choice of adult humans (and many children do not reach adulthood and therefore cannot even choose, but still, they get only the ONE life, ONE chance),

which determines their afterlife (which is infinitely longer than the earthly life and heavily out of proportion in both reward and punishment).

And with the beliefsystem constructed with the result that only 1 in 1000 on average will succeed! Say that to parents who have a baby!

Oh, it would be a nice system if it was organized like the olympics; because then only the winners get gold medals, fame, perhaps money and contracts. But they deserved them, through very hard work and against tough competition. Every athlete but the winners and of course the rest of mankind they get less  or get nothing from the Olympics, but surely they do not get punished!

But in God's system he punishes 999 of every 1000 humans, so also 999 of every 1000 babies born! And if hell was just some neutral place, with alternative activities and opportunities, only a bit less nice than heaven, OK!!!

But Slave Of Prophet made sure that we here knew. and thus Allah tried to make sure that mankind knew that…..

Hell really was veeeerrrrry painful. With the message in the Quran that in hell humans get burned , then get new skins and get burned again. Pfffff, and for WHAT??? Not for some big crimes, but for NOT BELIEVING! As Ali Sina said; what a CRAZY plan for a God.

Phoenix says:

Gautam Buddha did not believe in an entity called God. He was an atheist."

Buddha may have rejected or relegated the importance of the vedic gods but he was ultimately agnostic not atheist.Buddha believed in non-physical higher planes of existence,as well as free will and the dual nature of consciousness and body.This is incompatible with materialism.

Sakat says:

@narclole
Do you have any slightest foresight /probability of guessing "what would have been the state of human existence " at in this present scenario of human life ,shunning all the God related stories from human conscious (i mean if there were no religion/belief (regarding making us slave of God) had not intervened in the entire journey of human species on this planet)

Demsci says:

Narcole, there are 7 billion humans now, and 1,5 billion of them claim to be Muslims. So, I suppose, since Islam is of paramount importance to you, something that "defines you", not something "you also are", that 5,5 billion people are not in "your group".

But now you want some further selection of those who are supposedly or really in "your group"? Weeding out those who seem to be in your "club of Muslims" but in reality are "not in YOUR group"?

Why, for yourself, or for the sake for letting as many humans as possible to heaven and as few people as possible to hell? (Or don't you care about THAT?).

Or because those misunderstanding Muslims threathen to seduce/ persuade/ convert many humans born in or attracted to Islam? And thus threathen to potentially diminish your precious "group of real Muslims"? Because the group of misunderstanding Muslims competes with your group of "true understanders and practitioners of Islam", your group of humans who REALLY will go to heaven (while the misunderstanders of Islam will go to hell)?

Is there something in Islam that motivates you to try to protect and enhance your "group"? and so to fight verbally with misunderstanders of Islam? (competitors inside Islam!) And to fight verbally with infidels, who have many alternatives to Islam, which are competing with Islam? Maybe even within your own mind? In 100 years time?

narcole1919721 says:

Demsci, tell me something. i've been watching and analyzing someone. im not gonna tell his name. but u could guess, without having to mention the name. first, in Islam, a muslim, is haram, to accuse another muslim as non muslim. cos just by accusing that, the person who accuses could become a nonmuslim, if in fact, the person whos accused is actually a muslim. but i cant hide this thought. i want to ask somebody (at the same time testing his objectivity or blindness in analyzing-also to analyze this somebody whether its worth spending more time to 'share' knowledge or opinions with this somebody again) about someone. if there's someone claims that hes muslim, how to analyze whether it's true? first, ask the muslims. but second, how could you know the muslims you'll ask are muslims too? just by saying, i'm muslim', not enough. neither by stereotype. third, if ask the enemy, how could we know the enemy could say anything objective about someone, if he himself is the enemy? my analysis is only by comparing the sources from each group. if 'all 'groups agree that they find same source and same method in getting and processing the source to judge what makes someone a muslim. sadly, my source strongly emphasize that he has no signs of muslim. which makes me doubt to waste more time here, cos whats the use spending time of drama from people who pretend as enemies but actually are friends? also for persons who claimed were X but now Y, but actually never been X? if they were X, they should have been able to answer any question about X, but i ddnt find any of them could answer any X Questions about X. the pattern i always see is only by diverting X questions to Y questions. Im bored. Drama. are you willing to support the drama and waste more time?

Demsci says:

Slave, if we discuss with you, we also talk to all visiting Muslims, so thank you for giving us this opportunity.
You said that Allah gives people only one life, but with the choice for or against Islam being decisive for being put in heaven or hell for eternity. But life is so short and eternity so long, so isn't the reward and punishment not VERY disproportionate? Also, what does Allah do with children who die? As they have not yet had a chance to choose? is n't it terribly unjust to punish children born to infidels who die in childhood for not choosing for Islam? and remember, the skin of those children will in hell be consumed in fire, then regrown and burned again.

And why is believing more important than behavior??? But suppose there are bad behaving believers, making other human dead, hurt and unhappy and very well behaving infidels who make other humans live longer and happier, helping them?

But Allah will still send the bad believers to heaven and the kind, nice, well-behaved infidels to hell?
OK! so the next question becomes: What is Allah's goal? Is it egoistic in favor of Allah, but not first and foremost in favor of the longevity and  happiness of mankind? 

slaveofprophet says:

@Saket
Yes, Allah will give non-believers life of eternal hell fire. Allah provided prophet only eternal heaven. Prophet was the best believer in Allah.

Supriya says:

Namaste Dr. Sina
You keep on saying that you believe in Buddhism. But your view(comment) suggests that you believe in Advait Vedant philosophy of Hinduism(not Buddhism).May I ask why do you avoid to mention that you believe in Advait Vedant philosophy of Hinduism ?

A school of Vedanta is Advait vedant philosophy. Vedanta advocates poornavaad( The realisation that everything which appears to be is necessarily One and Whole).It suggests to wake up and see that you are full of joy(the Self as bliss). Ultimately you will come to know that everything is expansion of your Self.

Advait Vedant philosophy : Brahman is the only reality. An illusory power of Brahman called Maya causes the world to appear in different forms. Ignorance of this reality is the cause of all suffering in the world and only upon true knowledge of Brahman can liberation be attained. In reality,there is no difference between soul(atma) and supersoul(param atma or brahman) . Liberation (Moksha) lies in knowing the reality of this "non-duality".

Gautam Buddha did not believe in an entity called God. He was an atheist.Buddhism advocates shoonyavaad( the realisation that everything which appears to be is nothing OR emptiness). It suggests that the world is full of only suffering, misery and resolving it as the chief purpose of human life.

knowTheEnemy says:

The ancient Indian spirituality says very similar to what you wrote in this comment. In Sikh holy books God is called Karta Purakh (The Do-er), that is, the entity who is doing everything. In Upanishads, this 'God' who in your words is experiencing everything, is named Brahman (Not to be confused with Brahmin- the Hindu priestly caste).

["Said this, I can't make sense of any of this. How many times God needs to experience pain and suffering before He gets it?"]

Brahman isn't doing all this to somehow 'get it'. S/he has already 'got it'. S/he is doing what in Hindu thought is called Leela, or Play (e.g. a play in a theater). Now why Brahman is doing this play, is unknown as of now. The only explanation that I have come across is "Brahman wishes to do it, so S/he does it"!

KLMNOP says:

Hindus pray and worship God in every form, God has created everything and things created by him are worthy of worship. It doesn't mean that they are all different Gods, it means that we try to connect to him through everything which he has created. We don't think God as individuals, but as a universe.

Ali Sina says:

I know what Islam teaches. But Islam is a lie. Muhammad was a very benighted person. I was born into that cult. You don't need to tell me what Islam teaches.

DeciDela says:

I watched a video explaining the "placebo"…..I know what you mean,,,,my family and my doctor tried
the "placebo" treatment on me when I was a child, but it never worked….neither as a child nor as
an adult.   Is my mind powerful to detect that false treatmen and rejects it, or the power of the mind
is to submit to illusions?

Supriya says:

salveofprophet
I can relate your Muhammd with Jaikant Shikre and Dr. Sina with Bairao Singham( I hope you have seen the movie" Singham"). Jaikant shikre( Muhammad) is a Don( of the world of Islam) and politician( I told you that Islam was political agenda of muhammad which aimed to fulfill his private passions and dominate the world using sword) .Bajirao singham( Dr. Sina) is an honest police inspector who resolves most of the problems caused by sickminded muslims. Jaikant shikre( Muhammad) tries to torture Singham(Dr. Sina) and public. An honest and intelligent Singham( Dr. Sina) succeeds in gathering other police inspectors( ex-muslims) and reaches the house of Jaikant shikre( Muhammad). Jaikant shikre(Muhammad) is arrested by police inspectors( all ex-muslims )and they shoot him dead. In this way Muhammad aur Islam ka kaam khatm kiya jata hain. Singham( Dr. Sina) wins. The film ends with the public saluting Singham(Dr. Sina).

Celebrate the death of Muhammad and end of Islam. Dhoom Machale !!!

Anand Sagar says:

//When we are completely evolved, we won't come back to this world again, or if we come back we come as Buddha or as Jesus,, as highly evolved beings. //

Humans are fractals of God. In other words, our spirits are fractals of God's spirit. That being the case, are we not already highly evolved beings? why should we come to this world to evolve spiritually when when we already are God's spirit and perfect beings?

As far as I understand, it is God that experiences his limitless potential to be anything by creating in his mind the physical reality including us humans and our experiences are God's experiences.

Mr.Sina, can you throw some light.

DeciDela says:

Please tell me

DeciDela says:

Every year there are Millions of faithful Christian pilgrims visit a place in which they thought Virgin Mary appeared…..they wash their sick bodies in the water of that place believing strongly that they will be healed.  Only about sixty of them get satisfactory results of a faith they all share.   Please watch this video :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

Ali Sina says:

The answer is not difficult. In your opinion God is a whimsical and illogical entity that demands blind obedience and does as he pleases. I invite you to read a bout narcissistic personality disorder and you will see that the the symptoms of narcissism are very visible in Muhammad's Allah. Why? Because Allah was Muhammad's own invention. So the deity you worship is a mentally sick man just like the prophet who is your master.

My view of God is that He or It must be a very rational being. Based on reason I know that as long as I have love in my heart and hate no one I am going to be okay. A rational god does not punish humans if they do not harm others creatures. A rational god does not need worship. In fact I don't think anyone will be punished. We are here to evolve spiritually. The whole purpose of coming to this world is to grow spiritually. This can be done by acquiring divine attributes like love, kindness, forgiveness, compassion to other humans and to animals. When your heart is filled with love for all living sentient beings, you grow spiritually. When we are completely evolved, we won't come back to this world again, or if we come back we come as Buddha or as Jesus,, as highly evolved beings. The idea of God sending people to hell to burn for ever is attributing insanity to God

DeciDela says:

Something weird happened to me right now….I accidently ended up in this site, and in this page. Ten minutes before that, I was thinking of this subject and the power of thoughts.  Those people who visited the grave of Khomini with faith, and then they were healed….this happened accidently, because there are lots of others who also have faith but they were not healed.  Those people who were healed might have been receiving medical treatment, or they were healed just by chance, typically they will say: "it is the blessings of Khomini", or any other "holy" man.  Also, the black magic works on some who believe in it, and sometime it doesn't work on the ones who believe….and vice versa.  As if everything in this world is accidental or merely destined.  
I do not believe in the miracles of the ancient "prophets", and if some of those miracles happened indeed, then they are the result of a certain knowledge the performer possessed and the public were not aware of. For example:  if a "prophet" had some knowledge about astronomy, and he knew that there will be an eclipse after two days, he will tell his people: the sun will disappear after two days, a sign from God that he is angry.

XYZ says:

@ slave of prophet
Muhammad is enlightened soul for you. It means that you imitate him,do you? If yes,then answer : How many 9 year minor girls( like Ayesha) are victims of your lust?
With how many aunt's deadbodies you had sex( like Muhammad)?
How many old woman (like Khadija) are victims of your amorous advances?
How many captive girls serve you daily( Muhammad enslaved thousands of girls and had sex with them all)?
With how many women you have officially married( Muhammad officially married with 11 women)?
Your daughter-in-laws don't feel ashamed in sleeping with you and your son simultaneously( Muhammad lust for his daughter-in-law)?

Sakat says:

@slaveprophet
Hey Joker
Tell me whether your God Allah can give me life for eternal in human existence ? ,if yes then why he deprived Mad Mohammed from getting it .Your Allah and Mad Mohammed both are thugs ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!. And you the third kind (slave the waste oxygen ) Licking their "A".

slaveofprophet says:

@Supriya
Buddha, Krishna, Vivekananda, Gandhi, Einstein were enlightened souls is not my opinion but opinion of your boss Dr. Ali Sina. My opinion based on Holy Quran. In my opinion all these personality were worst of creatures and non-believers in Almighty Allah and they all must be in eternal helfire from Islamic point of view.

Here I agree with Zakir Naik that Gandhi will be in eternal hellfire because he died as non-believer in prophet & Allah and he was also polytheist. He believed Krishna was God, Rama was God, Hanuman was God etc. etc. How many God?
(Quran 43:74-78)
“Surely, the disbelievers will be in the torment of Hell to abide therein forever. (The torment) will not be lightened for them, and they will be plunged into destruction with deep regrets, sorrows and in despair therein. We wronged them not, but they were the wrongdoers. ;And they will cry: ‘O Malik! Let your Lord make an end of us’ He will say: ‘Surely, you shall abide forever.’ Indeed We have brought the truth to you, but most of you have a hatred for the truth” (Quran 43:74-78)
2 __________your views of Muslims in siriya, egypt,yemen,pakistan,afganistan_______
More than 95% Pakistani & Afghanistan are not true Muslim ( I mean Arab decedents) they are most violent people of the world because they come from Hindu ancestors. Only Arabian people or their decedents are true Muslims. If Pakistani & Afghanistan Muslims do any violent act it must be blamed to Hindu & Buddhist because they have genes of their violent ancestors.

Phoenix says:

Steadyfriend

The issue of faith (subjective beliefs) and its efficacy has been a long contention between dualist and material philosophers.
Dualists have claimed beliefs can affect our behavior and subjective reality.Materialists claims beliefs are an an illusion or at best an epiphenomena with no causal influence. Fortunately the dualist philosophers now have experimental evidence published in science journals to support their position. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/5/3
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17349730

slaveofprophet says:

@Ali Sina
You said faith works. If I have firm faith Ali Sina will be in eternal hellfire where Allah will torture him by regrowing his skin again and again in the fire of hell because of abusing to prophet (PBUH)but your faith  you will be in the world of highly evolved souls like Buddha,  Jesus, Einstein and others. We both have contrasting faith. Who will be proved correct according to you?

Ali Sina says:

Yes faith heals, but it is the faith of the believer that heals him not the power of the healer. If the so called healer can convince you that he has he power, you get healed, but you get healed through the power of your own belief. When you believe in something your body secretes certain chemicals that help you heal. Our body and mind are extremely powerful machines.