I Am Depressed

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aminthemystic says:

Oh, where do they come from . . .

Mrs_Infidel says:

Bravo to you Apostate29! My husband's family is in Pakistan as well- they reallllly dont take kindly to anyone leaving Islam (he asked a question and they wanted him dead for it). He, too, now joyously accepts and enjoys everyone different. He is still volatile towards Islam and muslims, but I am hoping that when enough years pass that will fade a bit.

I also loved your advise to just harm no one and do what you will =)

Mrs. Infidel says:

Apparently you guys come from a society where you presume women are stupid and illiterate from birth until death?

She writes the same as my kids did, their friends did, except that she has the typical mental level of an advanced student (I was one and I started writing short stories and books by 4th grade, my eldest daughter had 3 books published in her school district before 6th grade).

She is legit or you wouldnt have so many small details of her daily life. My apologies if you or yours wouldnt have the capability to form a literate paragraph. Dont take it out on M.A.

Seriously, this ignorance is pissing off the 'mommy' in me.

Signed,
The ex-choir and drama kid who raised 3 of the same.

Mrs. Infidel says:

You are not responsible for the actions of horny pigs (sorry for the bluntness). I have seen women covered head the toe, EVERYTHING hidden of a giant black drape, and the men leering at any possible body bulge that is showing.

Sorry but it's crap. The responsibility of someone's lust is on that person, not the one they stare at. Because seriously, they will find something to get turned on by no matter what.

This blame-the-victim crap needs to stop. If you want men to stop acting like that then stop worrying about what they are staring at and just blindfold the damn men :p

Neha shaikh says:

Hey…im neha from india…im a muslim but i hate islam….allah the stupid moon god is sooo selfish…he needs to be prayed 5 times….as if he is never satisfied and than starve in ramdhan just to go to that x rated heaven…bullshit….and than ya that angel aka demon wil torture you in grave…again BS….IS THAT ALLAH MERCIFUL OR REVENGEFUL….mohammed was a rapist ,murderer, he allowed sex with slaves , he dint wipe out slavery, he gave men permision to marry 4 wives and use as sex toy, he makes women dress in black blanket in hot weather…he viewed women as objecy and not humans…i love that jewish lady who gave him poison…..wish he was dead as a infant…becuase of mohammed our world is getting destroyed ….i just hope all muslims get wiped off from face of this earth than this place wil become heaven if they are all dead…..I JUST HATE ISLAM…..but cause am in india a secular country i am not forced to do anything and i dont do anything like that stupid dance called namaz etc….i have a huge feeling that with each new generation islam is crumbling….and hopefully this mohammedian cult wil end forever and MA u just get a good education and run away far otherwise you wil always remain in islamic prison.

Dravidan says:

Dude Ali Sina. You are greater than Mohammed.

I was surprised to see your works in Tamil.

Hats off. Continue your great work. I encourage you to translate your articles to Hindi and Malayalam as well.

aminriadh says:

"Keep dreaming!"

I suppose this is a stock phrase to you. . . when you run out. Resort to them.

This meaningless bit doesn't even go with anything above. Deaf, dumb and blind by anti-Muslims hate.

You are one true follower.

aminriadh says:

"When people develop an ego, they become careless at how to trudge the path, end up making too many mistakes and then fall. And you are gonna keep that from happening to me. Well thank you! "

Ha ha ha – as irrational as ever. . . you are simply incapable of engaging. I severely doubt you have progressed beyond high school.

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"There is a saying "the proof is in the pudding". Sooner or later, you will see the 'pudding' that FFI started. "

Ha ha ha . . . . you should try reading some of Sina's claim! Then answer this.

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"The trouble that I am having with you is that I cannot shame you for wasting your time here, when your fellow ummah is suffering. But I will figure it out. "

An expected and obvious comments. . . this is all you can do. The thing is is Sina – is exactly the same.

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Big grandiose claims. . . that fall on virtually deaf ears. What really kills him he has not even had the success akin to Ibn Warraq.

But if he keeps promoting that shambles of a book… that is simply to be expected.

It is not just that the writing style is so poor… basic accuracy leaves lot to be desired. . . at least American Right wing listens to Ibn Warraq. . . but Sina. . . could not even do much by dangling a Dr. in front of his name.

If he has you propping him up. . . . then he doesn't stand a chance.

aminriadh says:

"Do not expect anything else from me. "

Atta Boy! You said it bubba… classic answer from er… a sheep.

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"Amin, I trust my brain, my experiences, my observations, and my intution enough to know what not to believe, what to believe, and how much of it to believe."

This isn't really saying much is it.. . . . . given the extent of your intellectual powers. You are unable to express your own strongly held views. . . all you are capable of doing is posting links.

aminriadh says:

See – you couldn't answer…

"Sina rejects (as do you) . . . the whole corpus of Muslim sources. Yet he uses it selectively to pick out – what agrees with his bias/beliefs/views an ignores all others….

. . . but on what basis? "

and your answer was…

"On the basis that, it fits the profile of a person who is narcissist, suffers from epilepsy and acromegaly, and who is making stuff up about his being a prophet. "

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They would have had a lot of with you at school… as set your answers and questions – tend not to match.

knowTheEnemy says:

Amin, I trust my brain, my experiences, my observations, and my intution enough to know what not to believe, what to believe, and how much of it to believe. Your tricks will not work on me. You should not waste your time with me. I will be posting links to as many links that I can get my hands on, regarding atrocities committed by the Muslims, and on the Muslims. And I will deride you for spending time here instead of working to fix Islam's problems. Do not expect anything else from me.

aminriadh says:

"I respond only to what is relevant. "

In other words… what you cannot comprehend – it simply isn't relevant… or what contradicts you – it becomes irrelevant.

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You misunderstand the question… I'll clarify it for you.

Sin rejects (as do you) . . . the whole corpus of Muslim sources. Yet he uses it selectively to pick out – what agrees with his bias/beliefs/views an ignores all others….

. . . but on what basis?

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And where did Sina say what you claim he has said … I want to read it. And don't make like the MA issue – where you claimed she had said she was from USA – but when I asked – where? You were unable to give me any link.

aminriadh says:

You repeatedly do this…. whenever there is a difficult question asked of oyu… you ignore it and move on.

Sometime later you would repeat your assertions AGAIN! As if they were the gospel.

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Your motivation is simple – it is anti-Muslim hate. So whenever you come across such material – you accept it. Without question… it doesn't really matter as to the truth of it.

When someone challenges YOU over your rants and raves… then you are unable to answer.

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"I would have been watching TV and following Obama."

huh? When you make comments like that… well – it leaves lot to aim at!

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"If I am not professionaly skilled at presenting an idea, that DOES NOT mean that I cannot understand, verify, and otherwise assess the 'quality' of the material that I come across. "

Who said anything about professionally? It is test ones understanding…. if oyu were educated!

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See how easily you resot to type – by simply giving other peoples material.

knowTheEnemy says:

No one expects those articles to be 100% accurate. Sorry Amin, but my original statement still holds. Here is what I said-
"Those articles in the links themselves explain enough that no further explaination is necessary."
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"Right – but that is what I am asking… as you have "figured" it out . . . and have arrived at the conclusion that those articles are correct. hence you should be able to explain this. . . and you are NOT able to do so. This leads to: Either you have not understood – or you are lying"
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Things do not need to be made THAT complicated to figure out whether Islam is evil or not. Just an observation of what Muslims believe, and how they behave is sufficient for even simple average people to figure this one out.

BillOpenthalt says:

[quote] The rest of your comment I did not get – what point were you making? [/quote]

How someone can seriously consider quran 94:1-6 to relate to coronary bypass surgery to the point of writing it up and publishing it. One really has to do a Nostradamus on the verse. It's like the jehova's witnesses who refuse blood transfusions based on genesis 9:4:

<< But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. >>

Either, anyone can read anything in a sacred text, or it is read exactly as it stands.

knowTheEnemy says:

"You have even lowered your self to comparing with comic strips! How quaint."

It does NOT matter whether truth is presented in the form of comics or some other way. Everything in the comic link that I posted, is backed by reliable Islamic sources.

Amin Riaz says:

"Those articles in the links themselves explain enough that no further explaination is necessary."

A cop out – I have read all those links and do have many problems with its accuracy. If you are going to say this …. it shows that you have not understood the material… and hence you cannot express it either. As you are unable to do so – hence it is useless to "argue/debate/talk" to about the subject.

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"All one needs to do is use his/her brain and figure things out. "

Right – but that is what I am asking… as you have "figured" it out . . . and have arrived at the conclusion that those articles are correct. hence you should be able to explain this. . . and you are NOT able to do so. This leads to: Either you have not understood – or you are lying.

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"I post links to articles because people writing those articles have studied the subject matter more than I have, and because they are better at explaining their studied material than myself. "

Precisely – I am glad that you admit that at least.

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"My endeavour is to point out the evil nature of Islam."

But you have just admitted to your short comings… inability to even understand and explain tertiary material is very poor level to be at. Hence what you are claiming doesn't hold much weight. Even you should be able to see that.

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"I do that through my own writing, through links to quality articles written by others, links to news reports, or a combination of them all. "

Your writing!

knowTheEnemy says:

It does not matter who made this comic. What matters is that it is fully backed by reliable (sahih) islamic sources, and portrays the 'prophet of Allah' accurately!

knowTheEnemy says:

I don't know! But I sure am better than the guy in this comic strip. He slept with his own daughter-in-law! Disgusting! The story is fully backed by SAHIH Hadis-
http://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/muhammad-an…

knowTheEnemy says:

Those articles in the links themselves explain enough that no further explaination is necessary. All one needs to do is use his/her brain and figure things out.

I post links to articles because people writing those articles have studied the subject matter more than I have, and because they are better at explaining their studied material than myself. My endeavour is to point out the evil nature of Islam. I do that through my own writing, through links to quality articles written by others, links to news reports, or a combination of them all.

Amin Riaz says:

"So all the people who talk about the scientific miracles of the quran (e.g. http://miraclesofthequran.com/ ) are misguided? "

To varying degrees depending on the extent of their claim – often are wrong. [not necessarily misguided]

Often those explaining the science do not even comprehend the basics and er . . . make many mistakes when trying to explain.

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The rest of your comment I did not get – what point were you making?

Amin Riaz says:

***I have already watched this. Some of the science explained is faulty. The bit about how the earth's crust was formed.***

My response was a whole LOT more than this… and you know it – all one has to do is refer back to it.

Hang on… THAT video is inaccurate scientifically. I pointed this out several times – and on the page Sina posted it.

Have you given a response? No you haven't. So what are you complaining about?

I have also said… about the content when he speak about Tafsir – Muslim commentaries – is also wrong. He alleges what is NOT found in the commentaries.

I even gave an example.

Did you respond? No – You did not respond then – and you have no response now.

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Let us look at your skills. You cannot understand Arabic and you do not have enough basic science knowledge either.

All you have done is read a few websites …. and not even grasped what they say comprehensively enough as you don't have the background knowledge or the skills.

That is why – when backed – all you CAN do is point to such videos and articles – as YOUR MAIN ARGUMENT – and not as a reference.

Also you are not albe to counter argue – other than make generalisations or start off on another topic.

Sorry – But i have repeatedly come across such people. That is why you go around this site posting various bits of anti-Islam bits and bats.

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"You hide your head in the sand, which is stupidity at its worst, and then you accuse others of not being well-educated or clever. Well, people (with working brains) who read comments here, will know who is *clever* and who is pointing out the obvious. "

This is a meaningless comment! You take on a sniffy and immature attitude – as expected.

"Well, people (with working brains)" – simply means those who agree with you or with your general anti-Islam notions.

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"The clever ones are those who assert that I never posted evidence about Mo….err….Allah having Flat Earth in mind when revealing verses."

Pasting links does not mean that you have pasted arguments… I cannot argue with you than – because YOU ARE NOT the author of those arguments.

The correct methods is to present you OWN arguments. And back them up if necessary with references.

Also – you main source – I did check it and wrote about it – you did not have a counter argument.

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Have you never done – say an essay at school?

Amin Riaz says:

***I have already watched this. Some of the science explained is faulty. The bit about how the earth's crust was formed.***

My response was a whole LOT more than this… and you know it – all one has to do is refer back to it.

Hang on… THAT video is inaccurate scientifically. I pointed this out several times – and on the page Sina posted it.

Have you given a response? No you haven't. So what are you complaining about?

I have also said… about the content when he speak about Tafsir – Muslim commentaries – is also wrong. He alleges what is NOT found in the commentaries.

I even gave an example.

Did you respond? No – You did not respond then – and you have no response now.

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Let us look at your skills. You cannot understand Arabic and you do not have enough basic science knowledge either.

All you have done is read a few websites …. and not even grasped what they say comprehensively enough as you don't have the background knowledge or the skills.

That is why – when backed – all you CAN do is point to such videos and articles – as YOUR MAIN ARGUMENT – and not as a reference.

Also you are not albe to counter argue – other than make generalisations or start off on another topic.

Sorry – But i have repeatedly come across such people. That is why you go around this site posting various bits of anti-Islam bits and bats.

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"You hide your head in the sand, which is stupidity at its worst, and then you accuse others of not being well-educated or clever. Well, people (with working brains) who read comments here, will know who is *clever* and who is pointing out the obvious. "

This is a meaningless comment! You take on a sniffy and immature attitude – as expected.

"Well, people (with working brains)" – simply means those who agree with you or with your general anti-Islam notions.

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"The clever ones are those who assert that I never posted evidence about Mo….err….Allah having Flat Earth in mind when revealing verses."

Pasting links does not mean that you have pasted arguments… I cannot argue with you than – because YOU ARE NOT the author of those arguments.

The correct methods is to present you OWN arguments. And back them up if necessary with references.

Also – you main source – I did check it and wrote about it – you did not have a counter argument.

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Have you never done – say an essay at school?

Amin Riaz says:

"Deserving of being treated just like you, enjoying the same human rights However, doesn't the quran (3:110) say that muslims are better than non-muslims? Does the quran (4:141) not say that a non-believer will never have authority over a believer? "

When you talk about a particular book and refer to something specif isn't it better to use actual quotes rather than paraphrasing – hence removing the doubt that you might be hoodwinking. Else you might turn what the book actually says into something else.

Quran 3:110

"You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah . If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient."

Here it is not meant that each individual is better than each individual non-Muslim. Rather as a genus the collective nation.

Also the meaning of "You are the best nation" is morally superior.

This doesn't mean that Muslims are any better as "humans" than non-Muslims.

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"Does the quran (4:141) not say that a non-believer will never have authority over a believer?"

Quran 4:141

"Those who wait [and watch] you. Then if you gain a victory from Allah , they say, "Were we not with you?" But if the disbelievers have a success, they say [to them], "Did we not gain the advantage over you, but we protected you from the believers?" Allah will judge between [all of] you on the Day of Resurrection, and never will Allah give the disbelievers over the believers a way [to overcome them]."

Again what the Quran is saying and how you are putting it is different.

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IF YOU STILL WANT TO REPLY – PLEASE START ANOTHER CLEAN COMMENT – THIS HAS BECOME TOO LONG.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

You accept atheism is hopeless situation and religion is hope lol

Loki says:

If you said that to me – "anti-Islamic",I'll clarify.I'm anti-religious.But Islam isn't just a religion,it's also an evil political ideology.

"The only person who knows that I am right is the one who impersonated a 15 year old girl, and he might be a man over 50, and the rest believe what they want to believe or what they wish it is true. I am very familiar with the writing style of this story,
and I am sorry to tell you that you either lack intelligence or you are obstinate"

You're absolutely right.Only the person who has asked this question knows his/her intention.Rest of us can only speculate and create Conspiracy Theories,which is a waste of both time and energy.
So you're relying on some gut feeling, not reasons, to conclude that this girl is a fake.And you expect others to believe in your gut feeling,or else they are obstinate and incapable of Intellectual discussions?
Let me assume that she is.a fake.But the fact that we can't ever establish that for sure, unless we pay a Detective agency to investigate everyone involved in person,makes any purely intellectual attempts attempts futile.So why not look at the question and the response and judge the merits of those?

The purpose of this site is to establish that Islam is Muhammad's imagination and Evil.Mr. Sina has put a lengthy list of arguments for the former which can be debated.But the latter is true beyond contention.So I don't know how you claiming to be an Agnostic can have a problem with the latter fact.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

Bed is round with radius of huge curve otherwise it wouldn't have settled on spherical earth.

knowTheEnemy says:

I sure am not clever. I only try to put things as simply as I can. The clever ones are those who assert that I never posted evidence about Mo….err….Allah having Flat Earth in mind when revealing verses. I posted links to quality articles that are easily available on the internet, and I posted a link to this quality video-
[youtube _FaNg_nxqns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FaNg_nxqns youtube]

To which your response was this,

***I have already watched this. Some of the science explained is faulty. The bit about how the earth's crust was formed.***

You hide your head in the sand, which is stupidity at its worst, and then you accuse others of not being well-educated or clever. Well, people (with working brains) who read comments here, will know who is *clever* and who is pointing out the obvious.

BillOpenthalt says:

[quote] Baseless as before. It is a simple fact – Quran does not refer to the Earth as Flat. [/quote]

Correct. The quran doesn't say "The earth is flat", but neither does it say "The earth is an oblate spheroid". So we're down to arguing whether "spread out" means flat or spherical. Obviously, god speaks in riddles (can we suggest to make it easier to pretend he said the right thing all along?)

[quote] Don't pretend that you can ACID TEST any science. Ludicrous claim. [/quote]

Depends on what you mean by acid test. Of course you cannot dip science in acid and conclude that it's genuine when it doesn't dissolve (that's where acid test comes from: if it is gold, it will not dissolve in acid, whereas other substances like pyrite do dissolve.)

If the scientific method has been used, then a claim or conclusion can be tested, because the methodology will have been disclosed, and the experiment can be replicated. The statistics, mathematics as well as the reasoning can be checked for validity. A good scientific theory will be falsifiable and include predictions that can be tested. It's not perfect, but it is the most reliable way to acquire knowledge.

So yes, scientific knowledge can be tested

Amin Riaz says:

"but all those events that used to require a god turn out to have natural explanations. "

Such as?

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"There is a lot of evidence that those very human deities do not exist, for example none of the predictions made in their name have come to pass. "

huh? Such as again lack of any examples… what predictions?

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"When you believe in the god of the quran, you believe in a monster, intent on inflicting eternal suffering on his creatures. "

Simply your view… and it is actually incorrect. What you said implies all creatures. This is obviously not true.

If there is a deity – suppose it for a second – it could do what it wants.

Isn't it also a Muslim belief that it is the same "Monster" that is looking over you as well as me?

Such arguments dealing with one side only are generally – fallacious.

BillOpenthalt says:

I think you're projecting. Islam divides the world in two parts (ar al islam and dar al harb), and states that is is a muslim's duty to ensure all countries become part of dar al islam. This obviously predisposes them to think that the rest of the world is out to get them. In my opinion this is a mild form of paranoia.

2. Thanks for the confirmation, and lovely to know that as an atheist, I would not be tolerated at all.

3. If Dawkins had his way (and I am happy to see a court in Germany agree with him, at least in part), indoctrinating a child with a religion would be child abuse. Most religions know that they would not have many followers if they didn't mould the brains of the children to believe the unbelievable.

I am quite sure neither Sina nor Spemcer advocates exterminating muslims. Could it be that you project your religion's approach (kill the unbelievers) on them, like you seem to project your belief in a battle between islam and christianity on Bush & co?

4. Hence we can conclude that the assertion that christianity (all of it) has a central authority and islam (all of it) has none is incorrect.

5. Now to the serious part. The quran is merely a book of guidance. You believe is is divine, a true belief that needs no proofs. So people can read that book of guidance and conclude it is misguiding, and decide not to follow it. You are perfecty OK with this, and do not consider these people to be less deserving than you (if anything, they might be less gullible).

Is my interpretation correct?

Amin Riaz says:

1. You repeat this assertion – but without ever much evidence to back it up. But if you looked at the outlines and background of the war – there is certainly something suspect there.

Another example (you have ignored the previous ones). The Robert Spencer connection. He was allowed pretty much open access to US military and intelligence. A pastor like him generally doesn't make it into the pentagon. And we know his views about Islam.

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"2. Shariah doesn't grant equal rights to non-muslims. "

In Western sense – no. But it does give autonomy. Jews and Christians for example can live according to their own laws.

Idolators – are simply not tolerated at all.

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3. Surprise? No. But the bare-faced "hypocrisy" yes. Also – it is not wanting "Islam" to disappear that concerns me.

It is the methods and the way sought. When it comes to the "freedoms" – both Spencer and Sina – simply do want not grant these to Muslims.

If they had their way – it will be by any means necessary.

This isn't the same as how your average Atheist thinks – who too would want Islam to disappear. Take Dawkins – I am no fan of his. But I don't think he is a "hate-monger" in the league of Sina and Spencer.

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4. Sunnis are 75%-90% of Islam. Catholcism 55%+ of

However – Shiite hierarchy of Clerics is still not the same as Catholicism.

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5. "Muslim scholars have pondered proofs for the existence of god."

Yes… But that is NOT why they believe – it is not because of philosophical or logical proofs.

"If god does not exist, the quran cannot be of divine origin, so it cannot be proof of the existence of god. "

Basic of Muslim belief go back to Prophet Muhammad – come on – you know that! It is because of him!

It is stating the obvious but…!

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"So muslims accept and respect the beliefs of other people, and accept that the quran is not convincing unless one already believes in allah. "

huh? Why confuse the issues here… accepting that others will choose to believe what they will does not mean:

"and accept that the quran is not convincing unless one already believes in allah."

Do not go together.

Quran is simply a book of guidance – it is NOT there to convince anyone.

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" Is a god who doesn't offer sufficient proof for the right path and then sadistically punishes those that did not blindly believe the human claiming to be his messenger, a god worthy of reverence? "

Yes. It is not the question of "punishments" and what not that make a difference to those who believe – those are secondary matters.

Those who don't believe – again the same thing – it isn't primarily because of "punishments"

Amin Riaz says:

"YES, he can play all kinds of mental and logical gymnastics and conclude that all the references to Earth being 'spread out' is not the same as saying 'flat', and even Q 3:7 can be seen to uphold that view. "

This is you simply being dishonest… when you could not find a counter argument – you either move on, bring up something new or start making ridiculous assertions and claims.

"Spread out" just does not equal "Flat". And you had no other argument. Period.

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"and then tries to figure out what he was thinking when he said Earth is 'spread out' and all other scientific things"

Inexact – what other things? Don't muddy the water.

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" then it only takes minutes to realize that the Quran is only saying things that were already known to people of that time"

Again you are simply making assertions. Also your story has changed. Now you are on the "already known" phase.

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"Muhammad (and his Quran) too had a 'flat' Earth in mind while revealing verses. All his statements easily fall in place to make it clear that he was a charlatan, and that anything scientific in the Quran is mere coincidence. "

Yet again this merely making assertions…. untruthful ones at that. How do you know that Prophet Muhammad had Flat Earth in mind?* Where is your evidence?

It has already been established that you have no evidence. Yet look at your carrying on… rather than coming clean. You simply repeat your assertions – from another direction.

Baseless as before. It is a simple fact – Quran does not refer to the Earth as Flat.

[* Muslims allege Quran is from God]

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"If I doubt the claims of today's scientists, their claims easily pass the acid-test no matter how hard I try, and I will have to come back to accepting those claims. But not so with the 'Messenger of Allah'. Just one shred of doubt makes his prophethood fall apart. "

Don't pretend that you can ACID TEST any science. Ludicrous claim.

It is pretty apparent – you are neither well educated or that clever. You go around this site posting random bits on anti-Islam and Muslim bigotry.

BillOpenthalt says:

I'll try to be brief.

1. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not against islam. I understand muslims see it that way, but most certainly not the motive used here. You'll notice the total absence of official christian missionaries. Intervention in Syria would be to depose Al Assad, who is not a muslim, and replace him with a muslim.

2. Shariah doesn't grant equal rights to non-muslims.

3. You were expressing surprise at Al Sina associating with Robert Spencer, but they are both against islam. Ali Sina goes even further because Spencer only calls islam to be removed from America and Europe, whereas Sina wants it to disappear from the face of the earth.

4. Catholics and anglicans have a central authority, but methodists, unitarians and baptists have none. Sunnis don't have a central authority, but shiites do have a hierarchical clergy.

5. Muslim scholars have pondered proofs for the existence of god. For the quran to be a revealed text, god has to exist. If god does not exist, the quran cannot be of divine origin, so it cannot be proof of the existence of god.

6. So muslims accept and respect the beliefs of other people, and accept that the quran is not convincing unless one already believes in allah. Then why does the quran say that unbelievers will burn in hell for all eternity? Is a god who doesn't offer sufficient proof for the right path and then sadistically punishes those that did not blindly believe the human claiming to be his messenger, a god worthy of reverence?

Amin Riaz says:

"It appears that the Quran is very easy to misunderstand. And a believer has to find all the loopholes s/he can, to make it sound like the verses sense. However, the Quran says it is easy to understand. "

Again – it is EXPECTED that you will say such thing and hence pretty meaningless.

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"How can Allah send a book that claims to be easy to understand yet is not! One has to consult Muslim ‘scholars’ to know what it really is saying. "

Again – an expected remark – this is not even original – people like you repeat it often. Deliberately.

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"Yet despite your detailed explanation, and pointing out minute differences between ‘metaphors’ and ‘allegories’, and your assertion that only ‘spread out’ is mentioned and ‘flat’ is not, the fact remains that verse 3:7 wants believers to accept all Quranic verses literally. "

Are really that stupid? Read this again and see if you can spot a problem with your reasoning….

You are the one who bangs on about how Quran is meant to be taken in the literal meaning – yet when it comes to the flat earth – you apply your own interpretation?

And it is "I" who is pointing out the extent of what the Quran says. A fact – Quran does NOT call the earth flat. Neither is there ANY SUCH implication.

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"the fact remains that verse 3:7 wants believers to accept all Quranic verses literally. "

As I pointed out – that isn't the case. All you are capable of doing, it seems, to repeat your assertions.

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"Yes it does, but it also says that ONLY Allah knows which verses those are."

Again a DELIBERATE falsification. This is what the Quran actually says:

"And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . "

"interpretation" – it doesn't say that no one knows them – but their interpretation.

THIS IS RATHER OBVIOUS – HOW ELSE CAN PEOPLE SPREAD DISCORD IF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH VERSES ARE ALLEGORICAL!

Again you confuse the issue – that is why i have said – try to think before commenting.

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It means even Muslim ‘scholars cannot claim to know which verse is a ‘metaphor’ or a ‘allegory’ or ‘anything else other than what is written’.

Again:

"But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."

What does that tell you?

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"Allah’s claim about only him knowing the allegorical verses will be proven wrong. "

I have already pointed out the faulty logic of this argument – read above. Allah does NOT say only he knows those verses.

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"Sorry Amin, you are not fooling me with that one. No other religious books are this complicated to understand. The only one you are fooling is yourself. "

How many religious books have you read? And where is your comparative analysis?

You cannot EVEN read the Quran.

knowTheEnemy says:

@ Amin Riaz and @everyone else who thinks like him,

It appears that the Quran is very easy to misunderstand. And a believer has to find all the loopholes s/he can, to make it sound like the verses sense. However, the Quran says it is easy to understand.

How can Allah send a book that claims to be easy to understand yet is not! One has to consult Muslim ‘scholars’ to know what it really is saying.
Yet despite your detailed explanation, and pointing out minute differences between ‘metaphors’ and ‘allegories’, and your assertion that only ‘spread out’ is mentioned and ‘flat’ is not, the fact remains that verse 3:7 wants believers to accept all Quranic verses literally.

“Quran clearly says that some verses ARE allegorical”

Yes it does, but it also says that ONLY Allah knows which verses those are. It means even Muslim ‘scholars cannot claim to know which verse is a ‘metaphor’ or a ‘allegory’ or ‘anything else other than what is written’.

“I will repeat as a summary – Re read those verses. Quran says that some verses are ALLEGORICAL and when discord is spread it is spread using these”

Ok, so I want to spread discord, I will pick up the ‘allegorical’ verses. But how the heck can I do that when according to Allah, I do not know which verses those are, even if I am a scholar. I will have to randomly pick a verse (like lottery) and hope that it is the ‘allegorical’ one. Then if I am successful in spreading discord, then I WILL KNOW that the verse that I picked up is allegorical. Allah’s claim about only him knowing the allegorical verses will be proven wrong.

“You have asserted that Quran is saying it is meant to be taken literally – yet that is NOT the case. Neither do the above verses say that.”

Sorry Amin, you are not fooling me with that one. No other religious books are this complicated to understand. The only one you are fooling is yourself.

Amin Riaz says:

"Ok, but you both think alike. so when I reply to one, the reply is for both of you. Shoot one bullet, hit two targets "

This is a ridiculous thing to say. Whoever that anonymous is – we do NOT think alike.

In such cases it is better to admit to the simple oversight – rather than make excuses.

knowTheEnemy says:

Ok, but you both think alike. so when I reply to one, the reply is for both of you. Shoot one bullet, hit two targets

Amin Riaz says:

"Fighting the muslims hasn't been part of the European mindset since the battle of Vienna in 1683."

Strange, misleading and erroneous comment to make – given the number of wars. What else do you call the recent wars of Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the constant talk of war with Iran and Syria.

American Right Wing thinks of anything but war with Muslims.

This is denying the obvious

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The whole Iraq saga was strange – there was real chance after the Gulf war to remove Saddam – why wasn't he removed?

I haven't heard one good answer.

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West has secularized its society politically – however most Europeans would consider themselves at least cultural Christians.

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" (not building new houses of worship, etc)"

The example you do give is not correct. Non-Muslims are allowed to build place of worship.

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"Do you think Ali Sina's message would be better received by muslims if he didn' t call Robert Spencer is friend? "

A strange question to ask… why would Muslims consider Sina's message of eradicating their faith?

Also his language is offensive, cruel and hate mongering. He stereotypes and dehumanizes Muslims.

I can give a list of examples if required.

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"Some christian denominations have a central authority, some don't. The same existis in islam. "

This isn't the case. You need to look into it. Sunni Muslims do not have central authority like Christianity (Catholicism).

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"As a matter of fact, some religions already embrace the idea that they are not the only way to god. In any case, to live harmoniously together in a multi-cultural, multi-religion secular socity, religions cannot see non-believers as evil or misguided, but should see them as fellow travellers using different paths to god. "

The only major religion I can think of is Bahai – even then this isn't what they say. Also comparatively speaking – they are not a major religion. It is telling that you did not mention any names.

You simply describe an unrealistic utopia that fits your own leanings. It simply does not exist.

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"I think that you will find quite a lot of muslim scholars discussing arguments for the existence of god (e.g the mutakallims arguing for a temporal universe that by necessity must have had a creator, etc). But I will grant that for most the existence of god is self-evident. "

Those have nothing to do with the Quran. The reason those people are Muslims have absolutely got nothing to do with whatever "proofs" logical or philosophical. The only basis is Quran – the revealed text.

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Like you said – your impression. However, there is no one set view.

Sufi's a large but loose group of Muslims do tend to be far more tolerant of others – nd yes many examples available. For example Ibn Arabi or Moin Uddin Chisti.

Salafis on the other hand are more or less intolerant.

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"(i.e. they cannot but see the validity of the proof but reject it out of enmity against islam, or because they have been led astray by the devil)"

These two examples are not connected as you have made it out to be so. Neither are they of equal value.

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"…divinity of the quran are so evident that those who reject them are dishonest…"

Islam is a question of "Belief" – either you have it or you don't. Muslims do accept that.

BillOpenthalt says:

What again was the name of that religion that teaches that women are less intelligent than men?

As far as sticking with a reigion is concerned, laziness had to be one of the main reasons. Conversions are a different matter, and I suppose the need for certainity and security might play an important role. What do you think the reason is?

BillOpenthalt says:

Fortunately, I cannot read Dubya's mind so I cannot know for sure that he isn't a fundamentalist christian thinking that his god has told him to smite the muslims. Fighting the muslims hasn't been part of the European mindset since the battle of Vienna in 1683. And, mind you, that was a defensive war (as far as the Austrians were concerned). Hence I do not believe Bush saw the Irak war as a christian vs. muslim conflict, but more as freedom vs. oppression. Personally, I feel he was wrong and should have left Saddam alone (which he probably would have done if Irak didn't have oil).

As far as the preeminence of religion is concerned, I didn't say dead, I said "no longer preeminent". Ours are no longer christian countries, and many laws are against christian teachings (abortion, divorce, euthanasia, gay marriage, equality of men and women, etc). A lot has changed since the French Revolution.

It is true that under shariah the protected people do not have to follow the same rules as muslims (which arguably would make them muslims), but they are subject to restrictions (not building new houses of worship, etc). This implies that the rule of the land is shariah. In a secular state, religion and its laws are subordinate to the non-religious law of the land. If the law of the land says that marriage is between two people, then a muslim cannot invoke the quran and marry four women. Under shariah, a non-muslim cannot try and convert a muslim, but in a secular state, it's perfectly OK for the Jehova's witnesses to bother muslims and atheists alike.

Do you think Ali Sina's message would be better received by muslims if he didn' t call Robert Spencer is friend?

Some christian denominations have a central authority, some don't. The same existis in islam.

As a matter of fact, some religions already embrace the idea that they are not the only way to god. In any case, to live harmoniously together in a multi-cultural, multi-religion secular socity, religions cannot see non-believers as evil or misguided, but should see them as fellow travellers using different paths to god.

I think that you will find quite a lot of muslim scholars discussing arguments for the existence of god (e.g the mutakallims arguing for a temporal universe that by necessity must have had a creator, etc). But I will grant that for most the existence of god is self-evident.

It is my impression that muslims feel that the proofs of the divinity of the quran are so evident that those who reject them are dishonest (i.e. they cannot but see the validity of the proof but reject it out of enmity against islam, or because they have been led astray by the devil).

BillOpenthalt says:

You know, he funny thing is that all the muslims I know are kind, cultured, and intelligent. Come to think of it, most people I meet seem above average (how's that for a statistician 🙂 ). I've grown up in Africa, and I can assure you that wisdom and kindness do not depend on sophistication and literacy.

We are exposed to a lot of silly talk by mullahs, and I must admit that I am dissapointed when I listen to people like Zakir Naik and Hamza Tzortzis. There is so much conviction there that there's not much left for understanding. But you cannot blame their lack of knowledge or their illiteracy…

There is one thought experiment I would like to conduct. It goes as follows.

I am an atheist, but I can imagine the quran to be the word of god, proving the existence of the islamic god. Is it possible for a good muslim to imagine the quran not to be the word of god, implying that god doesn't exist or that another religion is the true revelation. I'm not asking the muslim to renounce their faith, just to imagine the possibility, just like I would not become a muslim by imagining the quran to be the revealed word of god.

Based on these assumptions, both of us can look at the proofs offered for the divine origin of the quran, once accepting the quran as the word of god, and once rejecting the quran as the word of god.

When I assume the quran to be the word of god, I have no problems accepting the proofs, for example it is obvious that none of human attempts at producing a sura comes close to god's word. It is quite obvious that there are no contradictions, and that if I do not understand a verse, it is because my Arabic is woefully inadequate. The quran is obviously the word of god.

As soon as I assume the quran not to be the word of god, the proofs become far less compelling, and I can see the merits of some of the made-up suras. The contradictions are obvious, and some verses have grammar problems. There is no compelling reason to believe the quran is the word of god.

Would good muslims be able to make this thought experiment, and would they come to similar conclusions? Would they be able to accept that what makes a lot of sense to the muslim, makes a lot less sense to the non-muslim, without the latter willfully ignoring the the obviously divine origin of the quran?

This is the one aspect of islam that bothers me most — islam's assumption that its message so evidently, obviously true that not accepting that message has to be an act of malice.

Amin Riaz says:

Science doesn't really have to do with the other disciples – it is curious how often people lump them together.

Amin Riaz says:

"This is old tactic of Muslims when they fail to answer logically they make charge on site admin of comments deleting to divert the attention. If you comment on Islamic website they will ban you immediately. "

Yet – would you care to point out the charge I made on the site admin?

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This is common tactic of anti-Muslim hate mongers – to presume a Muslim is automatically guilty of something – without bothering to verify.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

There is nothing interests you about people who believe but you think them as innocent or stupid. Even most qualified can't write a divine book which is being understood by all mankind.

Remember those scriptures are not merely written books, a belief is involved with them. These people manifest truth through them and find guide to live life instead of getting hopeless situations like where I am? who I am? Denying GOD is denying existence of power which rule, keep rhythm of this universe.

Truth doesn't care about how you get message. Infinite possibilities in infinite universe you can't deny firmly anything.

Truth Seeker says:

This is old tactic of Muslims when they fail to answer logically they make charge on site admin of comments deleting to divert the attention. If you comment on Islamic website they will ban you immediately.

Truth Seeker says:

@Muslims Scholars
When we ask Muslims as to Why did Allah create this vast universe. Answer we get: Allah desired to get himself/herself worshiped by souls. So, he created all this. But I see very few people who believe in Quranic Allah. So, Can we assume Allah is a looser who got only 20% marks out of 100%.
80% people are of non-believers in Koranic Allah. World most famous personalities like spiritual leaders, philosophers, scientists are in the list of 80% people. I think a omnipotent, blissful God can not have such wishes.
more Drawback of getting worshiped philosophy:-
God becomes nothing more than a praise-loving dictator suffering from superiority-complex.

It proves that God is inconsistent. He changes His habits. That is why since beginninglessness God was all alone, but then He suddenly thought of creating us.
Let us say, He decided to create us at point T1 in time. Now since time has no beginning and God was always present, hence time T1 or any other time T2, T3 etc are equidistant from origin of time which is infinity away. So if He can change his mood at time T1, there is no reason why He cannot change His mood at other time-points like T2, T3 etc. Also, there is no guarantee that He did not create and destroy us or other species at other times BEFORE time T1 of this creation.

Now all religions that claim that Allah created us so that we could worship Him also believe that Allah is perfect. Now if Allah is perfect, it means that at ALL points in time, He is equally perfect and operates as per the SAME laws. Perfection implies that there can be NO single-point inconsistency in God’ habits.

I think world most ancient scripture Veda gives much better answer of this & for many Veda are knowledge emanates directly from God inspiration.
a. God, Soul and Nature (Prakriti) are three eternal entities that always existed and will always exist. This is the actual concept of ‘Trinity’.

b. God never creates or destroys souls or nature. He only acts as a Super Manager who brings Soul and Nature together so that souls can put efforts as per Law of Karma to achieve ultimate bliss.

c. Whatever is happening with us in our life is as per our own efforts till last moment. And we can change the course of our destiny through present and future efforts.

d. Death is never a final stop. It is just a short break after which journey continues unhindered.

e. When we say that God is creator, we mean that he brings souls and nature together to give them this non-random well-planned shape. He then maintains the universe to help the souls. Finally He destroys the universe and then again starts the process of creation. All this – creation, maintenance and destruction – continues to happen just like night and day continue to follow each other. There was never a time when this process did not exist nor shall there be a time when this process will cease. That is why He is called Brahma (Creator), Vishnu (Maintainer) and Pralaykarta (Destructor).

Amin Riaz says:

"There is no pending comment for approval and no one deletes comments in this site."

Spam? There is a curious lack of it.

Amin Riaz says:

[[[["***"Qur'an mentioned earth spread out like carpet which has been interpreted as being flat. Carpet always used on ground right. "

Interpreted as… not what the Quran actually says. All that is mentioned is extending or spreading of Earth***
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Let me make sure I understood you right. Are you saying that there are verses in the Qu’ran that can be interpreted different than what the Quran actually says? " ]]]]

One can easily tell when some has an agenda they wish to air – no matter what you say. knowTheEnemy – I suspect you already wanted to air your false view about quran saying it is only meant to be taken literally – hence you distorted what I said to suit you

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I clearly said that in the above verse quran does not call the Earth flat.

So – how did you arrive at this –

"Let me make sure I understood you right. Are you saying that there are verses in the Qu’ran that can be interpreted different than what the Quran actually says?"

When – What I actually said does not lead to the above statement.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

I congratulate you for your stupidity. You know your enemy and you don't know who is you talking to ? here I am !

Ok my dear enemy If I fire a bullet towards you . You think bullet is reaching you straight but the path of bullet have curve with huge radius equivalent to radius of earth.

So any spread out thing can't be flat. Its earth which decide about carpet , its not carpet which decide about earth

You are bit UN-educated to understand scriptures learn perceptions,perspectives, metaphors.

Amin Riaz says:

knowTheEnemy

"Quran says Earth is spread out multiple times in many different ayats. The picture that automatically comes to a person’s mind is that of a FLAT Earth."

Only because this is a forced image. Because you have read so many claims the image stays. But with in the veracity of what the Quran says – it cannot be discerned that Quran calls the Earth flat.

Just because you get images… that really is your problem. The question here is about hard evidence – not mere speculation which counts for nothing.

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"There isn’t a single thing mentioned in the book that gives any hint to the reader that Earth might not be flat."

True – And I have said that. Yet it neither gives any real hints that Earth is flat.

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"Not to mention Quran calling mountains ‘pegs’ and Sun setting in a pool of muddy water."

And? Don't go off in another direction. Both are observable and rather simple imagery. That is all.

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"Surely, God, realising that most of his creation believed the earth was flat, would have sent something that completely contrasts with this belief which would become obvious to any new reader of the Qur'an. "

huh? Why – if Quran was going to challenge one myth – why not a whole host of others? Quran is a "religious" book and not a science book. Its purpose is

Also – wouldn't an all knowing God already know that eventually humans will discover this? By observing Earth from space and etc.

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"This leaves no doubt in any reader’s mind that Quran is calling the Earth flat. "

Yet based upon what? The only reason that "flat earth" is even associated is becuase "flat earth" used to be a prevalent theory.

However – there is plenty of evidence that Muslim Scholars – scientists and religious already discovered the Earth not to be flat but spherical. There is plethora of evidence – from 8th century onwards. Also of its use in a religious context.

Notion of a spherical Earth predates Islam to the Greeks and Romans.

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Quran does not call the Earth flat or any other shape – neither the word "spread out" indicates towards any shape.

Something can be "spread out" over any surface of 2D or 3D shape.

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You only only motivation is "anti-Quran" – as far as actual evidence goes – you don't really have much.

knowTheEnemy says:

Amin, you say that metaphors are used in the Quran, so e.g. when it says carpet, it is supposed to be interpreted as ‘crust of Earth’ or something similar.

You said a very similar thing in a different post:
***"Qur'an mentioned earth spread out like carpet which has been interpreted as being flat. Carpet always used on ground right. "

Interpreted as… not what the Quran actually says. All that is mentioned is extending or spreading of Earth***
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Unfortunately, the Quran disagrees with you. Here is what it says in Q 3:007

“”YUSUFALI: He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations – they are the substance of the Book – and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
SHAKIR: He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.””

What this ayat is saying is that a ‘good’ Muslim should not interpret the verses different from what is written, and must accept them literally as they are. Please read all three translations (Yusufali, Pickthal, Shakir) carefully. It also says that those who take any verses to mean something else, or take them to be metaphors or allegories, are “seeking discord”, “trying to cause dissension by seeking to explain it”, and “seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation.”

In other words, you are giving me your own interpretation, and DISOBEYING the Quran. The Quran wants the readers to know literally that Earth is flat, that sun sets in a muddy pool of water, that mountains are pegs holding the surface, that shooting stars are missiles being thrown by Allah on eavesdropping jinns etc etc.

MoonShadow says:

Who is the cruel one? is it me or the one with her mouth wide open ready to devour
all kinds of animals? It seems that you are willing to eat everything. If they start to
sell poop on a stick, you will want to try that also.

Do you how this piece of meat ended up in your plate? you are not only stupid but
vulgar as well. All my sympathy for your future husband, he will be broke in no time
because of your eating habits.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

Well scriptures intended and have reasoning for all man kind and surely not for only readers with spectacles !!

Always Happy.

BillOpenthalt says:

I do not think G W Bush's motives for going to war with Irak were religious. He wasn't fighting Islam, he was fighting terrorism, and he was fighting a dictator. What the Americans didn't understand was that Saddam knew how to rule Irak, and that Western-style democracy just doesn't work over there. Today the West (unlike Russia) doesn't understand that Western-style democracy will not work in Syria, or they wouldn't be so eager to get Al Assad out of power.

Religion has long ceased to be preeminent in the Western mindset. Religion is seen as something personal when taken seriously, or quaintly folkloric when observing the rituals. There's strong conviction that it should not influence public policy, to the point that our political leaders cheerfully ignore the pope and other religious leaders when making public policy (like abortion and euthanasia laws). Of course, the fact that society allows euthanasia doesn't mean a christian has to support it; it's just that society will not enforce christian morals on non-christians.

In islam, religion is both personal (only you and your god know how sincere you are) and public. Shariah doesn't deal only with your relationship with god, but also with the organisation of society. It's objective is to enforce islamic morals on the whole of society, on muslims and non-muslims alike.

As I said above, most Westerns don't understand this fundamental distinction, and they see Islam as just another variation of a personal religion, playing a role in the moral, but not the political sphere. Muslims, on the other hand, do not understand that religion is not primordial, and hence they continue to think of the secular Western nations as christian nations.

Ali Sina argues that islam, unlike other religions, is incapable of retreating into the personal sphere. Robert Spencer argues that muslims in the West are a fifth column. Received opinion in the West is that extremists of all ilk are the problem, that the average muslim will quite happily integrate in a pluralistic society, and forget or ignore those parts of his creed that make this difficult, just like the christians did. With a "commendable" dose of self-criticism, extremists christians are perceived as more of a problem than extremist muslims, and the recent colonial past of the West is seen as the main root of terrorism (cheerfully ignoring earlier non-Western colonial behaviour).

The common point is that Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller all see islam as an unreformable threat to Western societies. Ali Sina goes further and sees islam as a threat to humanity as a whole.

Of course, muslims see islam as the only hope for humanity.

The questions I have are: can islam be one of the many religions in a secular society, accepting to play the game by rules that will sometimes clash with the rules in islam (in other words, heeding human rules instead of its concept of divine rules). Can islam see other religions as different, but equally valid paths to knowing god? Can islam accept that what it sees as incontrovertible proof of the existence of its god can be less than convincing to non-muslims, not because they reject the obvious truth (and hence are bad people), but just because the proofs aren't very convincing unless you already accept islam?

knowTheEnemy says:

Means your Quran can't give a sound enough explaination to convince unbelievers to believe.

Once upon a time I used to believe in old indian stories where Earth was described as flat, and I didn't have a slightest idea that it could be round. Then I read a science book that explained that Earth was round like a ball. I didn't want to believe these science books, but they explained it SO WELL that I had no option but to realize that the scientists were right and the old stories were wrong.

Apparently, the scientists can do a BETTER job of making someone believe (without threats of voilence or hellfire) than Muhammad's Allah. All he can do is make hollow excuses like the one in Quran 2:7.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

It's logically good to think earth is flat or you will fall out in space, take care !

Watch earth from space tell me which is north and which is west. Isn't that BS you believe is truth?

Guide is always to help everyone from all level of intelligence or preference and no lie indeed. Metaphor is used which describe truth.

knowTheEnemy says:

***"Qur'an mentioned earth spread out like carpet which has been interpreted as being flat. Carpet always used on ground right. "

Interpreted as… not what the Quran actually says. All that is mentioned is extending or spreading of Earth***
————–

Let me make sure I understood you right. Are you saying that there are verses in the Qu’ran that can be interpreted different than what the Quran actually says?

knowTheEnemy says:

@ Amin Riaz

Quran says Earth is spread out multiple times in many different ayats. The picture that automatically comes to a person’s mind is that of a FLAT Earth. There isn’t a single thing mentioned in the book that gives any hint to the reader that Earth might not be flat. Not to mention Quran calling mountains ‘pegs’ and Sun setting in a pool of muddy water. Here is how a commentator on this thread by the name JPPaul88 explained it:

""The thing is, even if someone today who believed the earth was flat, read the Qur'an (even a modern translation that removes words like 'bed' and 'carpet'), there is nothing in this book that contrasts with his belief that the earth is flat. Not at any point does Allah say "the earth is round", or "the earth, it is shaped like a ball", or "if you were to travel from one place on the earth, and keep going in a straight line, you will end up at your original location".
Surely, God, realising that most of his creation believed the earth was flat, would have sent something that completely contrasts with this belief which would become obvious to any new reader of the Qur'an.
This is, on it's own, enough to assert that Allah is either extremely careless, or he simply doesn't exist and that these were the words of this so-called prophet, based on the very common belief amongst humans that the earth is flat. ""

This leaves no doubt in any reader’s mind that Quran is calling the Earth flat.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

"I read philosophy. I have read the Bibel, and the Quran. I read science. "!!!
wow what a tummy dunnit !!!

Your next task is
Read philosophy. Read the Bibel, and the Quran. Read science.

BillOpenthalt says:

I read philosophy. I have read the Bibel, and the Quran. I read science. Using that information I consider my actions. I practice non-violence. I do not merely pray for the wellbeing of others, knowing that such internal words will not benefit them. If and when possible, I contribute to the well-being of others by meeting their needs. I don't know how I will be buried, and I don't care, as I will not be there to see it. Burying me is the privilege those who will be there, and it should meet their needs.

Amin Riaz says:

I highly recommend – Understanding Muhammad by Ali Sina. Could even get many basics right. As for the little "untruths"….

Amin Riaz says:

"It is Islam that I have problem with."

That is clear. However what isn't is getting in bed with likes Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

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Right wing fundamentalist Christians are just as bad the Muslim ones. And with even more firepower and influence.

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As an example – it is not a simple question of whether Saddam should go – but the way it was carried out. A country with virtually no military to speak of was attacked with "shock and awe".

Those you so canoodle with aren't your average peace loving Christians.

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You dehumanize Muslims and so do they. Eradication of Islam – at any cost. And the same mouth will tell you that they believe in "freedom of speech & expression".

Amin Riaz says:

The video author says that older commentaries refer to a "flat" earth. Yet this simply isn't true.

He was going to explain the word MADDA – does it really mean "spread out" – but then he shows a screen claiming that Ibn Abbas Ibn Kathir and Jalalyn call the earth flat.

Which they don't.

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One example – Quran 79:30

Jalalyn uses the word BaSaTa بَسَطَ – this word means the same as Madda. Hence where did he get the idea of "flat" from?

Amin Riaz says:

"YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. "

(like a carpet) – this is NOT part of the Quran. Accuracy!

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Quran neither calls the earth "flat" or "spherical".

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Amin Riaz says:

I have already watched this. Some of the science explained is faulty. The bit about how the earth's crust was formed.

Amin Riaz says:

"What is your point? That you are saying something so important and damaging to me that I am scared of it and remove it so no one can read them? "

I made or neither indicated at any such thing – this is nothing more than you assumption.

All I have said is that – I posted twice and they have gone missing.

Then the attitude from you. It says a lot.

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"You have nothing valuable to say and people can see that by reading your comments. "

Of course you would say that. All one has to illicit such remark is to be a Muslim.

Confused says:

If you are an atheist how do you get spiritual upliftment, meditate or pray for the wellbeing of others. I would also like to know how you will be buried when you die.

Agracean says:

Hi M.A., it's time for you to celebrate your freedom like a jailbird being set free from bondage. I'm happy that alas, you're set free from this Islamic sinkhole. Yes, you're right to say that you don't need a religion to be a good person but what you really need is the absolute Truth because only Truth has the power to set you free and then, you're absolutely free indeed.Pork taste like chicken except that it's texture is similar to beef. I used to be a meat eater but nowadays, I aspire to be a vegetarian like my dear Ms Ali Sina and Mr Jonathan Harrel and I must confess that I fall in love with fruits and vegetables and ocassionally, I'll eat meat to maintain a balanced diet. 😉

Amin Riaz says:

An apt choice… a woman who joined a right-wing think tank. After denouncing not just Islam but all religions. She was and still is a celebrity atheist.

Yet she called for all Muslims to be converted Christianity.

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One has to wonder at such phenomena – observable here too. That is why "Robert Spencer" is given such a highlinght.

A fundamentalist Christian – that probably influenced the death of thousands of humans beings.

Amin Riaz says:

"M.A. another victim of Islam. I think sometime there is no God. This madman (Mohammed) ruined the life of billions of people. Islam is fear, fear, fear."

Ruined in what way? Such generalisations are ridiculous and pretty meaningless.

᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

Qur'an mentioned earth spread out like carpet which has been interpreted as being flat. Carpet always used on ground right. So if I have carpet spread all over ground then geoscientifically it is not flat but visually its flat. Ok define up and down on earth geoscientifically there is no up, no down, no horizontal, no vertical.These are all our scientific assumptions which help us logically. So logically If I think earth is sphere and right now I am walking upside down this will give me psychosis.

Geologically we know there is a layer of crust over mantle and core of earth. Ignoring origin of igneous , sedimentary or metamorphic rocks we know crust is like a carpet (a comfortable surface) over mantle for surviving.

So earth spread out like carpet is language of belief which is truth independent of further illustration like gravitational force, geoscience, assumptions, psychology etc.

knowTheEnemy says:

Ok, you asked for it:

Quran 015.019
YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
PICKTHAL: And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein.
SHAKIR: And the earth– We have spread it forth and made in it firm mountains and caused to grow in it of every suitable thing.

Amin Riaz says:

" "wow, good thing I'm not a part of them anymore." They can doubt all they want"

Yes – you paste a feeble and a common story – and hence forth – you have refused to answer any challenging questions.

It is not a simple case of authenticity. But your story has one hole too many.

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Then there is the attitude:

" To see the Muslims here arguing about my authenticity…"

I find it rather surprising – people [Sina a case in point] who would claim to be humanitarians and then tend to be very selective in their "love". The quick and petty insults, the generalisations, the prejudice and stereotyping. For example anyone Muslim is quickly labeled and bagged.

Why such attitude?

Amin Riaz says:

"In that case you are lying."

Or you are. I twice posted comments here – both disappeared.

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And what is with the "troll" attitude?

Amin Riaz says:

That is not good enough! i asked you a specific question – you did not answer – nor did the article you pointed to.

Bin Baz later retracted his fatwa – that is according to his Salafi followers.

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"Please do not tell Shaykh ‘Abdul-’Azeez ibn ‘Abdullaah ibn Baaz of Islamic University of Medina, in Saudi Arabia that you dispute the claim "Earth is flat", or else you will be in big trouble"

Again – what kind of comment is above and how does it relate to what I asked.

TuTu says:

Why don't you just tell your parents to mind their business?

MoonShadow says:

Why should I hate him? because he married many women and took some as
slaves? I was not one of those women. Because he killed some Jews? but
I am not a Jew. No Muslim put a gun in my head and threatened to blow it off
if I don't follow the teachings of Mohammad.

MoonShadow says:

Now I understand you better (if you exist), and I understand why you want to leave Islam……
It is all for pork, liqure and sex. Empty, stupid girl……other religions also disrespect females
like you, infact every one with morality (atheists included) have no respect to a reckless, shameless, moving stomach like you.

M.A says:

I can do so much that I could have never done. Life became so exciting all of a sudden, so free! I never knew it could be like this. Knowing that I have free choice is a powerful feeling. Of course, it's not like I'm going to go overboard and become alcoholic, but just think of going to a nice cocktail party every now and then…? I'd still be a good, moral person, and treat others the way I'd want to be treated. I don't need religion to be a good person.

And can someone enlighten me on what pork is like? Is it good? Is it better than beef or chicken?

M.A says:

What a peaceful Muslim you are. Allah would be proud.

MoonShadow says:

Now I am certain that any attempt made to create an intellictual discussion with any
anti-Islamic individual will be futile, because his mind is rigid and focused on hatred….he is ready and willing to believe any lie, even if he knows it is a lie.
I said I have no faith in Mohammad, yet I have no reason to hate him and also no reason to fall in love with him.

Nothing irritates me more than lies and the crooked methods to achieve someone's goals. If the purpose of this site is the truth, I will be the first admirer.

The only person who knows that I am right is the one who impersonated a 15 year old girl, and he might be a man over 50, and the rest believe what they want to believe or what they wish it is true. I am very familiar with the writing style of this story,
and I am sorry to tell you that you either lack intelligence or you are obstinate.

knowTheEnemy says:

My suggestion is, DO go to the Qur'an classes and memorize the verses. Having memorized them will help later on when you are more actively exposing Islam. But do not ask the teacher any questions, or raise any doubts. Just do the minimum that you need to, so as to keep away unwanted attention.
In your everyday life too, pretend to be a Muslim and do at least the minimum that is needed to stay safe and avoid your relatives' suspictions. But not much more than the minimum.
Also, be careful what you say on this board. Bad people can indirectly find you based on what you say.

knowTheEnemy says:

I am serious about what I wrote! That IS a meaningful comment.

Amin Riaz says:

" Besides calling you a fake, these people make you feel bad and feel guilty about having those kind of feelings towards your family. And they call you a psychopath. "

Dearest…. who are you talking about here?

Amin Riaz says:

"Read the Quran, Sira, and Hadith! There you will see some REAL prejudice, violence, and hatred. "

One day – you might actually come up with a meaningful comment – why don't you wait until you really have something to say.

Amin Riaz says:

"She already said earlier that she lives in the US"

Where? I did not see it.

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"For example, the verses claiming Earth to be 'flat like carpet' "

Considering you have read it – why don't you point it out and we will see how true this comment is.

I will say it clearly for your benefit. Quran does not claim:

[[ Earth to be 'flat like carpet' ]]

Amin Riaz says:

"It was deleted by whom? You posted this in exmuslimblog and they deleted it?"

It is a bit obvious I meant here.

M.A says:

Confused,
I have a health problem in which I have to eat often, so my parents say I don't need to fast. If I didn't, I would sneak some food when they aren't looking, or eat at school or a friend's house.
I could care less about how I get buried. I'd prefer to be cremated and have my ashes spread in the sea. But even if I get buried the Islamic way, it's not like it means much to my dead body anyway. When I'm gone, I'm gone. Perhaps peoples' souls go on to another realm. Or maybe the end is just the end. Whichever it is, I don't think I'll be here on earth to care so much about where my body goes anyway.

knowTheEnemy says:

Exposing Islam, saving people from doing evil things, and saving them from a life of misery IS positive and constructive. Everyone should do what FFI is doing.

Creating new techniques to do spiritual Jihad on the other hand, is neither positive nor constuctive!

knowTheEnemy says:

M.A. Besides calling you a fake, these people make you feel bad and feel guilty about having those kind of feelings towards your family. And they call you a psychopath. These are all tricks to cause you emotional distress, so that you go back to Islam. Islam is more important to them. Your feelings and what you are going through is not!

Like I said earlier, do NOT fall for their manipulations.

knowTheEnemy says:

The Quran is a FAKE 'holy' book too!

knowTheEnemy says:

She already said earlier that she lives in the US. You obviously write comments before reading everything. May I suggest that you re-read your 'holy' books to make sure you didn't miss something. For example, the verses claiming Earth to be 'flat like carpet'

knowTheEnemy says:

Oh yes, she IS real. And why are you so worried?

Loki says:

Only Islamoretards think you're fake.
Because they can't digest that one of their own is brave enough to call a spade a spade.

Amin Riaz says:

I posted a reply here – which seems to have gone missing.

shivbhonsle says:

Ali Sina – you are just Amazing…..

Truth Seeker says:

Why not Allah sent (Book) teaching written to Mohammed.

Amin Riaz says:

"The truth might piss him off but in time it will set him free. "

You mean your version! You are decrying the notion that you are "forced" to believe contrary to your wishes – yet you would happily convert others!

It does sound to me as you want this "boy" to make his own mind up – nor think him capable.

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How Muslim of you!

Amin Riaz says:

"So to end this, I don't like how I'm being called fake. I have to write this way or else you guys would dumb down your advice to me but I wan't the truth"

Right… and coming to this site – and "truth" from a hate figure. Someone who makes sweeping generalizations…

" By following a madman, all Muslims have become mad. This madness manifests itself in myriads of ways. It is hard to find an emotionally healthy Muslim. They have low self-esteem, are shy or depressive or narcissist or paranoid and or all of them together. As a matter of fact Muslims suffer from more mental and emotional disorders than any other people."

And you honestly think that truth looks like this. And you want me to believe that a 15yr old is that cold? Not care about your parents, brothers & sisters and family, friends and etc?

[Well yes you can be – if you are a psychopath.]

Amin Riaz says:

"This imam is 22 years old yet has the wisdom and charisma of a 44 year old."

Again – this lets you down. A 22 year old? And he was made imam at "20". Not a chance.

– – –

"He recruits the teenage boys to follow his warped ideas. He is sick and twisted yet EXTREMELY talented and charismatic, like "prophet" Muhammad."

Again – a really easy and extremely common scenario. Jeez! This is the oldest story in the book!

Amin Riaz says:

"These doubters think that like them, we grew up listening to Zakir Naik. Well they should try their tricks somewhere else. They are not fooling anyone here."

huh? You have heard of one "media" name and you will brand that about…. jeez! May I suggest a bit of learning – or is that too much to ask.

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You have absolutely no way of knowing if M.A is real or not.

Amin Riaz says:

"follower of terrorist a will be terrorist, follower of a ignorant will be ignorant, follower of a peaceful person will peaceful by nature. Now we have to decide who is right and who is wrong. We are to judge the things logically, impartially, scientifically. "

Load of BS! – How does your comment relate to anything?

knowTheEnemy says:

"I don't know if anyone can really understand what's going on in my life right now. I want another ex-Muslim to relate to, to be able to support each other through the bad times and struggles through Islam."

***********************

Of course we understand, M.A. Many of us have gone through the same that you are going through now. Many others have friends that have gone through all this.

But since you are a smart person, you know that you don't always get what you want. You should try but should be full aware that you may not have a personal ex-Muslim friend for a while. You may have to stick with ex-Muslims here until then, and at faithfreedom.org. There is also a British website called Council of ex-Muslims. Check them out.

knowTheEnemy says:

You are right M.A. It is a horrible feeling when you realize what your own family is willing to do to you to maintain control over you. Although I would say the parent-child bond, and also other family bonds are more complicated than this. You should make sure to talk to someone with many years of experience in this field. Someone like Dr. Ali Sina. In other words, you are already in safe hands 🙂

Be careful with your family but don't hate them. Dr. Sina already gave you great advice, but if you ever need more counseling, contact him again.

knowTheEnemy says:

M.A,
Do not be concerned that some people call you a fake. It is a trick that they use to cause emotional distress on the person writing. I have read many apostate stories and these accusers are always there. They hope to trick you into making you divulge more information about yourself, so they can catch you. NEVER fall for their tricks.
Also please do not underestimate the skills of readers of this blog, especially some of us like me who have been communicating with all kinds of people for years. We can read two words and tell whether the person is a conservative, Leftist, Muslim, apostate, a Muslim pretending to be someone else, or an apostate-in-making.
You ARE real, M.A.! The smart people at FFI do NOT doubt you 🙂

M.A says:

Depends on how you want to look at it, MoonShadow. If you think so then go ahead.

M.A says:

So to end this, I don't like how I'm being called fake. I have to write this way or else you guys would dumb down your advice to me but I wan't the truth. When you doubt my identity, it means my story is doubted, and then ignored. I am struggling SO MUCH and I need my story to be heard! I've been ignored for far too long by the people around me and I need you guys to believe me so I can be helped. Yes, I will get an education and not worry about marriage till much later. But this guy is my friend and it hurts to know that he just might be slipping away from me. I need advice on how to approach him in the safest way. The truth might piss him off but in time it will set him free.

M.A says:

Also, I wanted to at least be friends with the boy because he's the only (apostate?) that I know. I don't know if anyone can really understand what's going on in my life right now. I want another ex-Muslim to relate to, to be able to support each other through the bad times and struggles through Islam. But my only hope, it seems, is being brainwashed by the imam of our mosque. This imam is 22 years old yet has the wisdom and charisma of a 44 year old. He recruits the teenage boys to follow his warped ideas. He is sick and twisted yet EXTREMELY talented and charismatic, like "prophet" Muhammad. I don't want to drag on so I'll summarize this quickly:

M.A says:

It's me again, M.A, the writer of this letter. Wow, did I write so well that you guys would think I'm fake? Because I'm 15 you think that I don't have the capacity to write decently? It's not like I'm 5. I'm in high school and this is just above the level they expect us to write at. This is simply the result of a good education, not a fabrication. It is like how some kids are prodigies in painting. Well then, English is my calibre, and a hobby I enjoy working at. I could write more casually than this, but I chose to write professionally so that I'd be taken seriously. And to MoonShadow: I don't understand how my personality is "shaky." That because I'm sane, it means it wouldn't make sense for me to fear? Islam thrusted me into depression and now that I came out of it, faint scars still remain.

MoonShadow says:

First, I did not say that I have faith in Mohammad. My objective is to reveal lies.
Second, although Mohammad was illiterate, but there are many illiterate men who are much smarter that the educated ones.
Third, Mohammad recited the Koran, and he had a writer who used to document all what he said.

This is the truth, if you care, yet that does not mean that I have faith in him.

Amin Riaz says:

"You have no faith in M.A"

Huh? This site is by Ali Sina whose views are as such:

" By following a madman, all Muslims have become mad. "

The lie is attributed to him. The "faith" you mention is lacking in him. He has always suffered ego problems.

What evidence have you got that M.A exists and isn't a fabrication of Ali Sina.

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"As to Authenticity, Muhammad didn't even write down his crap teachings, because he couldn't write. "

Actually – he could.

"It was written 21 years after the madman's death. "

Any evidence?

"No wonder it is so confusing to read "

In what way?

Amin Riaz says:

" By following a madman, all Muslims have become mad. This madness manifests itself in myriads of ways. It is hard to find an emotionally healthy Muslim. They have low self-esteem, are shy or depressive or narcissist or paranoid and or all of them together. As a matter of fact Muslims suffer from more mental and emotional disorders than any other people."

Says it all. Bigotry Hate and Ego – The definition of Ali Sina.

FoT says:

@ MoonShadow

You have no faith in M.A, but you believe in the teachings of an illiterate man who lived 1500 years ago. I don't see your logic. As to Authenticity, Muhammad didn't even write down his crap teachings, because he couldn't write. Who knows if the words of the Quran are even the words of Muhammad??? It was written 21 years after the madman's death. No wonder it is so confusing to read

knowTheEnemy says:

What if her husband watches jihad videos and becomes a terrorist sometime after the marriage? =/

We never know what's in store for husband's future, do we?

MoonShadow says:

You are cynical…….aren't you?

Boiragi says:

oh what the heck..

"you must have read a wrong version, islam is all about equality"
"i am certain you have been quoted out of the context, this is the right one *alla alla hilla hilla bla bla %$#*7.. (6.88)*, it says men are women are equal in heaven, that virgin thingie has been rectified or ratified by another verse here" (poor TipTop the retard, he would not get his blond, blue eyed 16 years old)
But why did the verse mentioning men getting virgins come in the first place????.
-"Oh you are so full of hate"
-"ISLAMOPHOBE, and see for you guys we have the terrorists, we muslims feel so isolated -*sniff* see that is why we need sharia law"

What is the average age of virgins in heaven anyway? 9 years?, will they have a 40 years old virgin women for an old man who never had sex and blew himself up to kill others?? what if he can't get "it" up anymore, will he have kafir made viagra in heaven???

Quoting the commedian Billy Connolly here "72 virgins, what a (fing) nightmare, give me 3 fire breathing whores instead.

Loki says:

M.A., Mr. Sina is right,you're too young to think of marriage.Sure be friends with the guy,and when you're able to support yourself – take the decision of whether to marry him.But more important right now is to decide who do you want to be in this world.
Choose one thing which you love to do the most.Set your goals based on it and give it your everything,be it writing,acting,wrestling ( 🙂 ) whatever it is.Even talking!There are great career choices for people who love to talk-News Reporters,Radio Jockeys even politicians!Once you decide what's your goal and set your sights,no barrier can stop you.
It's also important to make right friends.Make friends with good people,read and share knowledge with them.

Being honest and hard-working is more important than praying five times of a day.
Knowing what is right for you is more important than covering your head.
A person's religion doesn't decide whether he is good or bad and if he's going to Jannah (if that exists).His actions and their effects on others' lives decide his goodness or badness.
A woman should do what she's good at, not what is ordained by the males of her family or what's written in some 'holy' book. If Serena Williams had decided to just cook and raise children, we'd never have known that she's such a talented tennis player – among the best ever to have held a racket.

You're in US and no one can threaten you like they could if you were in Saudi Arabia,Iran or Pakistan.
Since you're smart enough to understand that Islam is just a fairy tale, with very serious ramifications on the psyche and activities of its followers, you should speak up against it. Not today, since you're very young. Islam is another evil ideology like Fascism, and it can't be wiped out peacefully from the face of the earth except by its own.You being raised in a Muslim family are in the best position to explain to those of your near and dear the reasons why their belief is a false one and that their lives can't be governed by a book written 1500 years ago.

All the best.

Boiragi says:

I have to ask you as you are a muslim girl growing up in US. Hope you will answer me. I see a lot of girls and women, who wear hijab, but wear the tightest dress possible. They are so tight that you can virtually see what they are wearing inside.

IF exposing hairs will make the boys like bulls, came out of it's shack, after one month of confinement. (a great example is the great retard TipTop), then will not wearing tights and give the boys a good eyefull of your female anatomy, also make boys sexually charged. I just do not get it.

So why women who happen to be pious muslims, wear hijab in public and also wear very tight clothes.

Truth Seeker says:

Allah is greatest looser. Allah made the universe to get itself worshiped. But There are more than 80% population of non-believers in Quranic Allah.

Boiragi says:

dearest M.A, look you should not be spending much time on this site, first of all, you may get caught and your family can make your life not so nice for being here.

2nd, dealing with people like Tiptop will make you angry and frustated and will only result in losing your focus, and you will not be able to do what you are set out to do. You know what to do in terms of how to plan ahead in your life, come back in 10 years time when you are earning and calling your own shots. We will all be here. Lets us deal with the people like him meanwhile, his agenda is not to let you succeed. He wins if you fail. Then he can say, well come back to my god or whatever. when you said to him to "think a bit more clearly" – you hit the nail on the head. He will not think clearly and he only distract you with his own logic and you will only waste your valuable time.

M.A says:

This is good. Now everyone here can see how easy it is to turn a Muslim silent once you overwhelm them with arguments too large for their simple minds.

For my first day of Ramadan, I think I'll eat a ham sandwich.

M.A says:

Yes, you may have addressed Muslims, but this is an anti-Islamic website, so would it really be reasonable to wish a happy Ramadan on a site where most of us are against Islam? It is like saying Merry Christmas in Saudi Arabia. You already know this yet you spread the same redundant messages in a place where we don't need it. That is practically spamming.
"Allah doesn't want you to starve, he wants more from you." That is so true! Allah is the most powerful and says in the Quran that whatever we do doesn't affect his power. That's why he seems to have a fit because I refuse to starve myself for over 10 hours. What a toddler this god seems to be. My eight year old sister seems more merciful than this sadist.
So I suggest that YOU go wash your face and think a bit more clearly. Yes, you are a peace loving Muslim, that's why you're willing to call a 15 year old "a stupid".

Truth Seeker says:

Are all soul not equal? Soul in man body gets 72 virgin girls in heaven but soul in woman body does not get 72 virgin boy in heaven. Hey Factious Allah, why this partiality.

Boiragi says:

get lost man!!!!!!! Can't solve any problem in your own god islamic damnworld, coming out here make everybody's life a hell.

Mr Sina, you should block this retard.

Because Mr Sina wants everybody on this forum to behave in a civilised manner, you are spared from a few decisive adjectives.

Rubbish

Confused says:

Agracean why do you adress Dr Alisina as a she? Your Evangelical thoughts are very sickening. You sound like a stucked broken record by repeating yourself.

Globalcitizen says:

Hi M.A. You have nice sense of humor. That helps. I hope you will be fine for some time acting. If you want to escape your home, I think Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are running a safe home for girls like you. Google can give you the details. Best of luck.

Agracean says:

Dear M.A., in the first place, you're really privileged to get to know our dear Ms Ali Sina here at such a young age and to be able to browse his site for so much precious info. Do treasure it, my dear and pose all your questions about your religion to this wonderful counsellor. I believe that she will be able to help you out of this horrible sinkhole. I wish that I could know our dear Ms Ali Sina at this young age, but I'm glad that I'm still alive and kicking all because of Jesus Christ's love for me. He inspire me to be a better human being each day. It's good to study Science and know more about Science but please do remember that there are facts and truth that are beyond the scope of Science. Only Jesus Christ has the perfect solution and answer to all mysteries surrounding this awesome universe because He is the first human being ever lived on this planet earth who dare to claim that He is God and that He is a perfect human being whereas no scientist in this world, not even Dr Albert Einstein, dare to make such a claim! So, in conclusion, I'll like to encourage you to seek Him in spirit and in truth. Jesus loves you very much. 🙂

M.A says:

Another thing: I love acting. I love the idea of being on stage and being a part of a play. But ever since puberty and donning the hijab, I was not allowed to act anymore because I was getting older. Didn't want to get the boys excited over my hair, now do we? (I shake my head at the unjustice and ignorance of this) The more I think about it, the more I realize how trapped I was. I remember crying last school year because I couldn't be a part of the Hairspray Musical my school was putting on. I could not sing, dance, and wear pretty costumes because I had to think about how if I sing, the men will hear my feminine voice, and dance because they'll watch my body sway. Acting was out of the question because I had to consider the "hungry eyes of preying men." Disgusting, isn't it?

Boiragi says:

Also I would like to make another point, try to keep your thinking to yourself, many people tried to leave islam and then gone back to it even more rigidly than before, just like a failed quit smoking attempt. This boy may be confused and one day "he maybe see the light" as muslims say all the time, he will become a strong believer or he may leave this totally, in either way, it is his decision. However, his knowledge of her left islam totally maybe counter productive later, or even now! He can be a threat to this girl's life.

I would say please try to keep the thoughts to yourself. it is hard for a 15 years old, a best solution is type what you are thinking about islam and why you want to leave it in word docu and then delete it. or may write in a piece of paper and burnt it. or go for a walk and mutter your thinking on the thin air when nobody listening. But please do not share with what you are thinking.

FoT says:

15 years old and thinking about marriage… You worry way too much!!! Relax, get an education and the world is at your feet. Mr. Sina has given you some good advice. Go with it

Lastly, congrats on leaving Muhammadanism. This is a great achievement.

Apostate29 says:

Welcome to freedom, welcome to humanity!! what you wrote is exactly my story, i was labelled of blashphemy in school at the age 12 🙂 was too afraid to declare my freedom afterwards. Now am 29 and absolutely normal, love people around me independent of creed. (being a pakistani, apostasy declration is the worst thing one can do)

Sina will help you, he is a wise man.

My advise: No need to publicise your ideas openly, there are millions who are not bothered bout what their default religion says, especially born muslims. Enjoy you life guilt free, just never hurt anyone physically or emotionally.

Agracean says:

May you be blessed by this song :
http://youtu.be/Qbgh5qmc8xs

Cheers
Grace 🙂