Muslim Scholar Leaves Islam

Only now, after being 50 years a Muslim, do i realise that such a challenge is the most stupid and the most childish of all. All this time I had not been courageous enough to even think this way. Of course its impossible to produce a similar verse the same way as others would be able to produce this stuff that I’m writing now. Unless of course you want to plagriase. Honestly, like Ali Sina, I dont find the verse beautiful at all. I only had been forced to admit that it was beautiful through indoctrination or brainwashing from the time I was born. That’s all there is to it. Such stupidity and childishness of the challenge couldn’t be from the almighty Allah at all. It must have been from some one crazy and stupid but at the same time wanted to be made a prophet.

slave of islam'
"–I AGREED THAT ISLAM IS THE ONLY REAL RELIGION IN THE WORLD—OTHERWISE IT COULD NOT HAVE SUCH A BIG ENEMY GROUP BECAUSE ONLY REAL AND BEST THINGS ATTRACT BIG ENEMIES".
Since muhammadanism has made the rest of humanity its enemy, by your argument, your islam is petite, cruel and senseless. It is fit only for the dustbin of history.

//"Your intentions were wrong and you didn't care for the truth."//
I think SCIENCE cares for the truth. And logic. This ex-Muslim also somehow cared enough for the truth because he, very admirably, after pondering long and hard, gave up on his livelyhood and he risked the relations with his many, beloved fellow-Muslims. His interest lay in believing and propagating Islam, yet he went against it. That makes him more honest, trustworthy, not less!

//"Too many people move away from what will give them the truth because they've been fed lies and misinformation."//
Agreed. And on top of that as adults so many Muslims present us with their motivation to stay in Islam, which do not pertain to searching for the highest truth they can find. A concept that many Muslims do not even seem to comprehend!

Because Muslims sometimes tell us that they want to be loyal to family and community, and tradition,
which then clearly  TRUMPS searching for the truth. And if only they would admit it, but they always cling to saying that they next to being loyal to Islam ALSO believe Islam is true. But they should not be able to have BOTH; loyalty and the highest truth they can find!

Furthermore Islam has the VERY OUTRAGEOUS tenet that apostates should be punished, with death. And many Muslims confirm this in polls.

Now how in God's name can Muslims still claim that they search for the highest truth they can find, if they prohibit Muslims to leave Islam, in case truer competitors of Islam, and parts of Islam, arise. And oh, through Science, and progress, education, the internet, those truer competitors long since have arisen, for all to see!

But the Majority of Muslims, isn't interested in finding the highest truth they can find, in a diligent manner. And the real outrage is that they refuse to admit it! Or perhaps that they are too much indoctrinated as children and too limited or too dishonest to see that they actually do choose staying in Islam, with their loved ones, and in safety, OVER searching for  and then choosing the highest truth they can find.

The writer of the e-mail was the positive admirable exception among Muslims!

//"No that's not what Islam says. What it says is, any act of worship should be done for Allah alone."//

You, "correction", cannot really say: "what Islam says or what Islam does not say". You can only say what your interpretation of Islam is. While Chuck presented FACTUAL TEXTS. Which are immutable according to literal interpretation of Islam.

Please in future say: "Well, that's not what MY INTERPRETATION of Islam says" and: "What MY INTERPRETATION of It says is:" etc. 

You got to realize that the texts of Islam are IMMUTABLE, and of necessity limited, incomplete, vaque, ambiguous, obsolete.

And you got to realize that "inside Islam" there is NO AUTHORITY"  who decides what Islam says and does not say, what Islam demands and forbids.

You got to realize no self-confessed Muslim can ever be kicked out of Islam due to false or heretic interpretation. Not even Al Azhar in Cairo can be this authority.

And it means that Islam is interpreted in many ways, all equally valid or invalid. You simply have no case against Chuck, or Ali Sina, on THEIR interpretations.

No that's not what Islam says. What it says is, any act of worship should be done for Allah alone. If you eat at a nice restaurant by all means do it so you enjoy the good food. But, you've been fed, or have been feeding yourself lies and either are misled or purposely try to fortify your position by scrounged for scraps of illegitimate claims.

LOL OMG I totally agree with you!! 

& I just want to say that this website is a joke (as I'm sure you'll agree). Wow.

X Muslim Scholar,

I have been searching the internet for some time looking for someone to answer my questions and you seem to be the only person that I think is qualified enough to do so PLEASE CONTACT ME! My email address is [email protected] 

Chill…*pokes*

@Shoopsy
//The fact that someone is an illiterate doesn't mean he can't understand some normal day to day buying and selling affairs//
Muhammad wasn't doing normal day to day buying or selling like a grocer. He was involved in international trade, first with Alu Talib and then he was employed as an agent with Khadijah to transact in Syria. Your point of view doesn't cut ice in that sense.

//When we emphasize on his illiteracy we are trying to draw the attention of people to the fact that he couldn't have written such a book //
I know. But nobody claims that Muhammad wrote Quran. He had employed scribes who did that for him. We can only cavil at what exchanges were going on between Muhammad and his scribes, whether they were correcting, editing etc.

//Other Poets of his time couldn't imitate the style because it was so divinely unique//
To you and other muslims and some lovers of Islam it may look and sound divine. And I am sure you haven't read other poets of his time. Secondly since Quran is a religious text, and it itself claims that there is nothing like itself, and every Muslim must see divinity in Quran, hence you won't even accept that other works of that time deserve any qualitative analysis.

//If he had written it and his writing had surpassed that of other poets, history will confirm that he we the greatest poet of those times but history records nothing of such.//
By 'he' do you mean Muhammad? Well I don't think you can call Quran a poem, it isn't much lyrical. Second Muhammad sole claim was prophethood. He HAD TO pass on Quran as a text from Allah. He couldn't possibly have claimed authorship for himself. Secondly it is a fact that he had many scribes of which at least one apostatized (and returned only when Islam become powerful), so even if he wanted to go for glory as a poet that door was shut for him. So the two premises you have set are fallacious: "If he had written it" – he couldn't say it since he had scribes doing the job (at least for most part) and his claim to authorship wasn't the position he wanted to take AND "his writing had surpassed that of other poets" – We don't have much sample from other poets.

Well…still ur jealous…cos those u worship love him more…

@ Shoopsy   Here is crystal clear proof that Muhammad fabricated the Quran and everything about Allah, Jannat, Jahannum, and about his prophethood-

As you well know, Mo…err… Allah said whoever dies fighting in Jihad against the enemies of Mo…err…Allah's religion, goes straight to Jannat where he gets to enjoy everything that he ever wished for in this world, including the best wine and most sexy houries. The 'martyr' does not even have to wait till judgement day. He goes straight to Jannat the moment he dies in Islam's cause.
If you have read the Hadiths, even casually, then you know that Muhammad was very fond of beautiful women.
Yet he never showed any eagerness in putting his life on risk, let alone die in the battle. According to Sahih Bukhari (Book 4 Vol 52 Hadith 54) – Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

(Note: Above I have provided a link to quranexplorer, which is a site run by Muslims).

Here is link to a webpage that shows how eager Muhammad was to die for the cause of Allah. After you are done reading through it, ask yourself why he made excuses for himself if there really is a Jannat. It should take you mere seconds to realize that the whole thing was a ruse set up by narcissist Muhammad, so he can enjoy as much dominance over others as he can (including on his stupid believers) as long as he gets to live on this planet!

I heard word 'lie' too often, until sleepy… cos its so weak…. that ur too afraid to question me…

[“When we emphasize on his illiteracy we are trying to draw the attention of people to the fact that he couldn’t have written such a book “]

He (Muhammad) certainly did ‘reveal’ the Quran. When you compare Mo’s personality to the personality of Quran’s revealer, you realize that there is barely any difference between the two. That is possible only if Muhammad and Allah are one and the same man!

[“Other Poets of his time couldn’t imitate the style because it was so divinely unique.”]

The other poets couldn’t imitate the style because the Quran’s style is so cheap and low class that there is no way master poets can imitate it. For example, I have been riding a bicycle for many years. If you ask me to imitate the riding style of someone who is riding a two-wheeler for the first time in his life, of course I will fail to imitate him! And idiots will say “OMG all the experts failed to imitate his style, he must be a holy man”!

He just knew how to scribble things down.If we agree to what you said how come the experts of those times we marveled with the way the Quran was written in unique way different from other writings. ? It is not his handwork. How did he come about the verse in the Quran which Allah spoke about preserving the body of pharoah so he would be a sign for generations to come. The preserved body of pharoah still exist today. He forged that too? how did he get to talk about the universe in a way that only a deity or something divine has the right to talk about. How did he know about the fision of the big bang theory later discovered today by scientist.? common guys 

I doubt if any Muslim can say that since we all know that it is very very important for books to be translated in order to reach different parts of the world.
I would love to read the book or perhaps you can write it as an internet article. Would love to see your sources on how Islam grew on terror. did you see this link   ;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_letters_to_the_Heads-of-State .. The letters Muhammed sent to other countries.Tell me which of these countries did he conquer by terror .

I think Muhammad could read and write (I remember reading that he was a accountant for some time) but he had no understanding of literature. He was an ordinary hungry man who just happened to know how to a scribble a few things down.

That is just what you wish. So you are able to deny the implications of what the ex-muslim scholar and Ali Sina are saying.

I SUSPECT that is;

So you can stay in your comfort zone, hold on to the religion and the rituals that you are accustomed to. And keep good relations with your fellow Muslims and your loved ones.

So you can keep reassuring yourself that you will go to Jannat/ heaven. While the thought of losing THAT is horrible for you. Even if you were presented with tons of evidence, very convincing evidence,

that Islam is manmade, not divine, and so cannot guarantee any heaven, even then you could not bring yourself to give up your belief in and dependence on JANNAT. 

If you stay in Islam for the beauty of it, the love of your loved ones, and loyalty to your community, then admit so.

But Islam wants you to do more than just follow it's rules, it wants you to believe it's highly improbable and contradicted story and promises of heaven.

Coming from a man in the 7th century. But you live in the 21st century and people are now on average much better educated, informed, logical and indeed more intelligent.

When IQ-tests are compared between # 1918 and now we see that the average person now tests considerably better than the average person then. How much more intelligent and logical are humans now than they were in the 7th century?! When the average person was much more gullible than the average person now!

And how about the future? With for instance Big Data (80 % of which is from the last 2 years!) the average person get's ever more elevated above the 7th century gullible humans. Yet you still want to believe them and not the most brilliant minds of the 21st century, who contradict Islam and Mohammed on very important essential facts or probabilities?!

And remember, even if what you say is true, then still it is the arguments, the message that you should consider carefully, NOT the messenger, because by focusing on the messenger, you only give yourself an excuse to ignore or deny it. A denial you so desperately need.

Look my friend there is no beauty in the Quran. It is a very stupid book and there is no verse that is eloquent. It is clear that the author of that book had not read a single book in his entire life. That is why no one enjoys reading the Quran and people, including Muslims get bored after reading a few passages. On the contrast the Bible is a literary master piece, not because the words are from God but because it was written by scholars and learned men who knew how to write. Muhammad did not know how to write and because of that the Quran is an asinine book, utterly confusing and extremely boring. The challenge is ridiculous. It is like a lunatic claiming to be a ingenious. Did you at the link I provided at the end of that page? Someone wrote several suras in the same style of the Quran but a thousand times better. It has good message and no violence and no hate.

SECONDLY, said the Quran says" But if ye cannot – and of a surety ye cannot – then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith". Qur'an 2.24

The verse is simply talking about those who tried or will try that they will fail because they disbelieved, they doubted, they said it was written by our prophet , they said he's crazy and delusional .and verily the punishment of a disbeliever is hell fire.

It's just like the way Christians do say that anyone with Jesus Christ does not have salvation and hell will be the dwelling place of such a person so why are you trying to find fault in Islam when such cases are okay with the Christians.

How can you twist this to mean that if they cannot produce it , Muhammed had them killed. Why are you trying to spread mischief. I dare you to produce an article with a credible source which says that if anyone tries to meet up with the challenge and he/she is unable to produce a Surah , Muhammed or Muslim council had them executed. If you can't then Indeed you should fear the fire whose fuel is men and stones.

As regards the Arabic language, the primary importance is the MESSAGE conveyed , beauty is secondary. It really has nothing to do with the message. If the reader sees it as beautiful good and if the reader concentrates on the message conveyed , even better.
You said and I quote: " Is this justice? To add insult to injury God chooses a language that according to Muslims  is impossible to translate in any other language and therefore we can’t even see the beauty of his work in translation."

Seriously? are you really serious by saying the language of Arabic is impossible to translate into any other language? please I need to confirm that before I give you an answer or I can just leave the answer to any random blogger.

FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT ISLAM WAS PROPAGATED BY "SWORD" , a word which you will never find in the Quran unlike the bible , HERE IS A LINK FOR YOU TO SEE THE HUMILITY IN THE WAY OUR PROPHET PROPAGATED ISLAM &nbsp ;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_letters_to_the_Heads-of-State. After reading, I want someone to question me that he conquered those countries because they rejected his letter.

Well I have presented my evidences through my book and hundreds of writings.
In regards to Muhammad's challenge to bring "a sura like it: you can read my response here http://faithfreedom.org/faq/65.htm

http://www.islaminindia.org/uncategorized/why-wil…
The size of earth in the visible universe is like a drop of water in the entire ocean, of all the oceans in the world. Or like a sand grain in the seashore, of all the seashores of the world. Would the creator of such a vast universe be bothered if tiny humans living on a tiny planet worship Him as the only God and follow Muhammad or not? A journey by an airplane gives an indication as to how insignificant we are even on this earth. Looking down from an airplane, humans seem less than ants. Imagine ourselves as the creator of all the sand particles on the seashore of all the seashores of the world. Would we be so concerned that tiny creatures living on one tiny particle somewhere unknown follow us and if they don’t worship us, would we burn them in Hell? Or would we be so concerned about tiny viruses living on a drop of water somewhere deep down in the Pacific Ocean? Imagine one such small creature who lives in a drop of water somewhere down the Pacific Ocean telling others that he is the Messenger of the Creator of all oceans i.e. us and if other viruses (which are so tiny that they are invisible) do not follow him, we will roast them in Hell forever. How ridiculous would it sound?

A well-known scholar and perhaps the most knowledgeable person on Islam in the world today, Ali Sina, has given an apt analogy. Imagine if there is an ant colony somewhere in our garden. Would we burn ants in fire and torture them if they don’t worship us as the only Savior? Our garden and ants are still very significant, as compared to humans and the Universe. Our Milky Way galaxy is utterly insignificant in it. Then our solar system is an invisible speck inside this galaxy and then there is Earth. Even the sun, which we see everyday, is some 15 crore kilometers away from the earth, i.e. 150 million kilometers and it takes light a good 8 minutes to reach the earth from the sun. What is our significance in this universe? Nothing! Would the maker of such a vast universe be offended if we humans don’t worship him? It is utterly foolish to say such thing. The Hubble Space Telescope has detected galaxies that are 46 billion light years away from each direction of the Earth. That is an expanse of 92 billion light years from one side of the observable universe to the other side. The observable universe, which is 92 billion light years wide is not all the universe. The complete universe is much, much bigger. According to some calculation, the whole universe would have grown to some 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times the size of the observable universe. That is 10 followed by 24 zeros. Put in another way, the complete universe is to the observable universe, as the observable universe is to an atom.

Now, let us assume that the Creator (Assuming God exists) of this vast universe does indeed want all humans to worship Him as the only God and follow his only true religion. Surely He can do so in better ways. He can create mankind in a manner whereby everyone born with belief suited to him. He can alter human brain in a manner whereby everyone will naturally worship Him as the only God and follow His last Messenger. or he can show Himself to humanity, or at least send his angels to show them to humanity.

Part 4: Many persons have fallen in the category above. Many Christians seeing that Jesus cannot be God or that Christianity clashes with Science, rejected religion outright without giving other religions a chance. On top of this Bin Laden and Al Qaida has been making such a negative publicity for Islam…Other Christians are just Christians just for namesake adopting Christianity more as a culture rather than a religion. In Europe you’ll see many places where it has been written “For Sale” in Churches’ property. Some Hindus or Tamils cannot no longer able to accept their multiplicity of Gods have either been doing the upward spiral or have just shrugged off the question. It’s not a surprise why religion is a taboo matter (it hurts because of the pain of unanswered questions) or why the young are disgusted with religion…

As Confucius the Chinese prophet said, even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a first step. And according to me this is the most important search in every person's life i.e why we are here and what for and by Whom? etc

I have found peace in the teachings of Islam Ahmadiyya which re explains the concepts of Islam in a modern light yet in its pristine form. This had to be so as all religions has their ups and downs. At the darkest moment of Islam, God raised the Promised Messiah – Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as in Islam itself to

1. refute all false additions by the so-called Islamic scholars
2. refute all false or unjustified criticisms against Islam or its Prophet.
3. answer why our chances of getting salvation in Islam is greater than in any other religions.
4. refute all the philosophers/atheists criticisms against religion.
5. explain why all religions differ but yet came from the same God initially.
6. usher a new era of peace and real brotherhood, justice and love among mankind.

So dear brothers, this is my overall view of religion topic today and before advising you, I have practiced. Each one has his way and each one will answer for himself. The only thing we have to do is to strive with sincerity towards Him and it is His duty to guide us to Him as He says in Ch 29 last verse:

"As for those who strive in our ways, it is up to us to guide them"

Hope everyone of you finds true peace and fulfilment.
Read more on this topic on : http://www.alislam.org
or http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-o…

Part 2:
Because you must remember, each one of us is born in some religion and we have a natural preference for it. If we had been born Hindu or Chinese, would it not have been the same?

So you would agree that in 99% of the cases God has willed that arrived at the age of maturity (15 upwards), each youth begins to ask questions and make a genuine inquiry about the 5 levels I told you (if he gives a genuine thought to it!).

Refusing to do so (in any religion he may be) would be bold and reckless on his part. God will judge anyone who dies making inquiries in His path.

Even those 1% who happens to be born in the right religion or sect are not absolved of making the inquiry as they still need to confirm that they are indeed in the right one. So all will start at par (if they decide to), at their age of maturity, to go and confirm that their religion is the right one with the result that most will see that it is not so and also be faced with the resulting question of will they (be bold enough to) do/accept the change? (with its impact on their families and friends?).

@Islamperfect
It seems even Mohammed did not escape from Satan's spell,other wise he would,not have raped Ayesha an innocent kid.

Namaste
I think Muhammad was brutal , insecure and fond of sensual happiness. He was not aware of the real form of soul of living being. He was liar,deceiver of his followers. Dr. Ali Sina you are exposing Islam and saving Muslims from doing sinful acts. Your every action is contributing as Punya Karma. In my opinion you are like real Indian sage(Rishi) . I would like to help you in your journey of spirituality. I suggest you to get knowledge from Brahmakumaris and Art of Living Foundation .

neelu you are right

Dear Zitouni,

I think you have not good knowledge of Quran and Arabic because the meaning of "unabbi-ukum dhālika ilahi warasūlihi al-muj'rimūna wainna sharra l-dun'yā" is I inform you that the Allah and his Messenger the criminals and  indeed worst of the world. but it is you who gave a wrong answer and proved that you are not able to understand English as well as Arabic.

Dear Zitouni,

There is an atheist and he want to know the meaning of this Arabic verse kindly help him to get the meaning if you are true and you know Arabic very well. 

"unabbi-ukum dhālika ilahi warasūlihi al-muj'rimūna wainna sharra l-dun'yā"

I believe in Yesus as a messanger of God.

Dear all, Do you believe Bible or Ali Sina.

"CAN THEY HAVE CUSTODY OF THE KAABA? NO".
No the cannot because the kaaba is associated with Arabian paganism. All non Arab muhammadans had their pre-muhammadan pagan gods and shrines.
"CHIEF IMAMA OF MASJID-AL-HARAM/KAABA CAN BE ONLY AN ARAB".
Clear evidence that muhammadanism was meant for the Arabs only. Non Arabs can only operate in the periphery no matter how much they try to impose or ingratiate themselves into muhammadanism. Unfortunately the fools will never get it.

how come you have people in jail because they challeged 6M jews died in WWII where is democracy then 

This so called expert of Islam is Ali Sina himself . I Know what scholar of Islam and Koran means . You have to be an expert and scholar of Arabic first which this guy is not . As for the video the German guy is not scholar of koran  he is soembody who knows how to read ancient Arabic writing rthats all .

//how do you explain a situation where most of muhammadan scholars were non Arabs//
Can they have custody of Kaaba? No. Chief Imama of Masjid-al-Haram/Kaaba can be only an Arab.

Anand Sagar,
"THIS STATEMENT SHOWS YOU ARE A LUNATIC".
Absolutely. There can be no doubt about that.

This statement shows you are a lunatic.

@All
English is not divine language as Arabic. Arbic is world most scientific language. In Arabic views can be expressed in very short sentences which is not possible in other language. Non-Arabic language made by humans but Arabic is the language of universe. Arabic language make us most civilized people. Arabic language is source of all languages of the world.

X')

yes it smels and  it is  Ali Sina who wrote that email LOL . Read my reply and watch how he reacted when I asked to debate this so called schalar  in Arabic  . He did not wait for him to reply and he was the first to reply which indicates he is this so called scholar of islam LOL

LOL  so I was right this so called scholar of Islam is in fact you LOL . Where do they teach dummy fikh and Tafseer in Englsh ? as far as I know all islamic studies are done in Arabic and there is no such thing as scholar of Islam and Arabic ignorant . I caught  you  liar LOL . You claim  I said because  I know now it is you who wrote that email LOL 
 you studies Fiqh and all other stuff what Ulemas do.  Ulemas LOL we say in Arabic Ulamas LOL  do you know one of other  stuff  is Arabic language 

 I hold a degree in Islamic Studies.  from what universtiy LOL . 

 I am a CERTIFIED ISLAMIC SCHOLAR.
 you cant be if you are Arabic ignorant LOL 

I mastered in Quranic Recitation,
in English LOL 

I wrote a book on Quranic recitation 

wow even if you are Arabic ignorant LOL  

I read comment made you some where that prophet muhamed claim to be a prophet and al we have just his claim so I am asking what prove  did this so called scholar of Islam show you in order for you to believe his claim. Did he send you his diplomat and name of university where he got this diplomat . You are getting excited and writing article scholar of Islam leaves Islam . I think you wrote that email claiming to be a scholar .   I  have started an investigation to expose this so I asked him to debate me in Arabic about koran and if he does not reply then case closed and I proved my case 

amerxp – you have chosen the right thing. The curse have been lifted from you thus now as you've chosen freedom to be your choice. A loving God, if there should be one as I believed there is, is not a God who force but would rather let the individual to choose for themselves whom they want to follow. God is not arbitrary. Freedom of choice was left to the individual to choose and not the other way round.

Amer is the 1st name isn't it? "Bekic" is a Bosnian-Albanian 2nd name – why did you write your own name like that?

18:5 No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood. 
61:8 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

So . . .you claim to be an ex Muslim . . . of what background?

[See – Sina invents such stories aplenty as do many in comments – I have exposed a few]

Simple question . . . please answer.

I reduced to making up lies about me . . . how petty.

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Things have not gone well for you it seems. . . All that hate for Islam . . . and still no one wants to know you!

Hence . . . what really made it me laugh is . . . have you dropped the atheism?

Are you going to convert to Christianity?

– –

Hirsi-Ali was an Atheist darling . . . until her true colours came out . . . in support of Fundi Xtianity!

You! Looks like Spencer doesn't want you either . . .

That is EXACTLY once what I pointed out . . . he could not answer. Please see this:
http://liberatednow.blogspot.co.uk/

Oh the stupidity of this blog makes me laugh!

The alleged writer "Shakila" has visited these forums.

@ Amin Riadh

Did it hurt that bad?

Why all the letters addressed to you have the same style? Do you write them yourself? 🙂

Lol i thought shakila was sina…and had a male fiancee which means gay pfft..oh poor shakila..hmm…but the writing style…reminds me to someone 😉 

First, before listening to someone's news we have to look at the teller's first. Is he a decent person.  its easy to judge whether someone is trustable or not from how indecent he talks. 

Me and my man call it bedtime stowie…♥

Ha ha ha ha . . . such posts make me laugh . . . "truth"?

So let us talk about this shambolic book of Sina's? Why so many lies? EVery 5th thing posted on here is a lie. And I have repeatedly posted them . . .

Do I get a decent response?

Do I? Nope. . . .

This site is as far away from "truth" as you can get.

When I hear some ex muslim (especially somebody from Islamia) talking like you, I fell hope. Hearing from former muslims, it does seems that islam is not doing so well and is going to fall.
And when muslims (those that are actually muslims) express their opinion instead of pighammed's opinion, seem afraid to the idea that their 'religion' will fall.

When I talk with muslims, I try to be polite if we are talking about things outside religion, but I don't trust them.

/Did you also see a Muslim psychologist? /
You have not read carefully his post ,he did meat Muslim psychologist ………..ha ha ha,but no solutions,poor Muslim they don't have anything to contribute to the society except ,bombing the innocents.

"Leaving Islam is the greatest challenge to a Muslim".

Born and raised as a Muslim I had studied deep into religion. Muslims want to implement a seventh century system caled khilafa which did not even last for 30 years and three out of four ruler were killed by followers of each others. Muslims are not tolerant and are not open to ideas and a better system we have been brained washed into thinking that we are the only ones right on planet. 

I started doubting religion sometime when I a was 17 years old.I was constantly worried that I was losing my faith (and for good reason cause I questioned everything!). I still had some faith going into college, but it was dwindling. I started considering myself as an agnostic. People who leave Islam usually do it because they had some bad experience with it, real-life experience. I have seen it destroy too many people, particularly women. I find it so interesting that Muslims cannot accept that people leave Islam. Something finally hit me and I decided that I was an atheist. The reality is that I really don’t care either way. 

My philosophy is to live and let live. We don’t need an organized religion or a book telling us to be good. Good morals are something that we should be able to teach ourselves. I don’t know if god exists, nor do I go around saying that he doesn’t. I just choose to trust in science and the facts laid out before me. I won’t however go around questioning other peoples faith. That is not my place to do so.

First several weeks, there have been days when I’ve walked around with pure rage beating at my chest. I’m angry at myself for falling for an ideology that is so against my very nature. I’m angry at myself for burying my doubts under the curtain of denial and apologia. And so started a depression that would last almost 2 years. I could not allow myself to believe that Christians and unbelievers would go to hell, I kept telling myself 'No!, this can't be true!' And then I would hear the translation of the Quran and that would confirm my fears, I would cry every night, and I began to self harm. I cut myself and then proceeded to hit myself anywhere I could with a closed fist. I almost became suicidal, the only thing keeping me from it was probably the fact that I was scared and then people who commit suicide apparently will suffer in hell for eternity.I began doing this thing, I can't really explain it but I would put pressure on my chest, by squeezing my muscles when I was really hysteric in order to try and stop my heart from working, I often felt I was losing it, I lost all will to live. I would sometimes open the Quran translation and read it, and I couldn't get far because of how often God seemed to mention hell, and punishment. It was like this God of mine, was obsessed with punishment. All these years I was generally taken to a Muslim psychologist, and nothing ever changed, all my problems were still there. 

At around the age of 19 I went to see a Christian psychologist and that's when my world began to turn around, he questioned everything and allowed me to feel safe in questioning, I allowed myself to feel angry to God for the first time, and found that that pent up anger was ruining me from the inside. I voiced my pain and I began to heal. Ever since then a whole new way of thought opened to me. I felt the bondage's of Islam loosen it's hold on me, and it was liberating, I have let them fall altogether, and I feel like a new person. Although no one yet knows, I have stopped praying but have chosen to be a humanist, but I still do however believe in God, not because of Islam, but because I found God myself. I may be an atheist, but I guarantee you that I donate money to charity as often as I can. I will buy lunch for a homeless man when I am able. I will go out of my way to help a stranger who is having car trouble in the middle of the road. But those people who represent Muslims will not.

FICTION. It was while Muhammad was her 'manager', better still damager, that Khadijah lost her fortune. Even before her death she had been pauperized. At Yahtrib Muhammad was bankrupt and had to rely on armed banditry to survive.
Khadijah had children from her previous marriage. To show how selfish and wicked a character Muhammad was, he ruined the wealth left by those children's father and left them as destitute. There is no mention of those children being taken care of or having positions in Muhammad's kingdom. Instead of adopting them, he preferred to adopt his slave.
Arabs old tradition gave much recognition to women. Muhammad reversed that. The freeing of slaves had already been practiced by the Arabs before Muhammad came on the seen. Instead of erasing slavery, Muhammad encouraged it such that only Aisha would manumit 40 salves in just one day. The man was a total embodiment of evil.

@Guest,
//You didn't touch upon "God and My Right" is a sort of guiding value for the Brits"// …
Why should I? You haven't given any particular reason to link up the history of Kohinoor and the Muslim aggression in India and elsewhere. I see no perspective, neither do I see you providing one. Secondly the army that was fighting was under the supervision of the British East India Company not as a representation of the Queen. Thirdly the powers of the Monarch had itself been diminished to a representative Head of State, there may have been no reason to carry the Coat of Arm. Fourth, they might still have been wearing that insignia what does that prove? This is very different from how Mehmud vows to kill infidels in Jihad every year against the Hind.

//Please tell me if this is true. //
How can I tell you that? We have to take a vote in Britain to ascertain whether the motto of that coat of arm still has some significance with the British as a guiding principle in national psyche.

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What I posted shows that those who make up the janjaweed are Arabs who are racially different from the Darfuri victims of the genocide.
On this Eric Reeves, writing in 'The Sudan Tribune' under the caption "Genocide in Darfur: How the Horror Began: says :"THE NATIONAL ISLAMIC FRONT(NIF) IS ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED SINCE IT SEIZED POWER FROM A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVT. IN A 1989 MILITARY COUP—-ANIMATED BY A RADICAL ISLAMISM AND A SENSE OF ARAB RACIAL SUPERIORITY, THE MOVEMENT ENGAGED IN GENOCIDE ALMOST FROM THE TIME ITS SEIZED POWER–"
Within 29 months of the NIF taking over power, about 400,000 Darfuris had been killed or died of starvation and diseases. While 3.9 million were internally displaced. Today those figures are much higher.
It is the NIF that arms the janjaweed and unleash them on the people of Darfur.

"WANT"how many creatures in this world? Do you know what they want? Did you know that the sea is always angry everyday and asks gods permission to let come to land to punish humans for their zhalimness toward each other also forgot their creator also other creations? But what did god say? Be patient. Give more time for repentance. If the sea could be that mad, how about the moon, the starts, and even the sun? Cant they be mad? Dont they have something they want? They do "WANT" to punish us humans. They want to hit us to destroy us. But they are now still in orbit. They still follow the rules and doing their roles. So do you really think good women want to be selfish? No. A mother is naturally set up to do such stuff, when a woman is pregnant and then deliver a baby, her body will change, include the hormones and emotions. They have tendency to do their tasks as mother better than father or others. And if they do these SINCERELY and with KNOWLEDGES, having a family isnt a burden for them, but a heaven. Now if ur women feel the opposite thats cos such thing already passed from previous generation. How to stop it? Things will get worse generation after generation. 

The Brits are smart Christians, and they conquered and plundered India in a subtle way. Indians were duped … and still are. The British queen is proudly displaying on her crown a diamond the Brits stole from the Indians. And the Indians could not, cannot and will not be able to claim the diamond back. 

Sadly enough, thousands of Indians are proudly displaying their British passports. They are awed by the thieves and decided to be the subjects of the kingdom of the thieves. I hope I am wrong, and the Indian will prove to be a better nation than the Brits, at least ethically.

@cchuckc:

You didn't touch upon "God and My Right" is a sort of guiding value for the Brits" … Please tell me if this is true.

@ Guest
You have noble intentions of educating Muslim mass ,but that would change their attitude,i doubt .Those who were the cause of 9/11 were literate people.I want the world not impart quality teaching to these morons,that would be the greatest tragedy of humanity. You know who was the mastermind and ring leader of Kenyan Mall massacre ,she is a British lady (former name samantha ) married to a Muslim terrorist ,who was killed by British forces .She is Known as "White Widow" in Al Khaida world.Tell me was she illiterate,no it is your holy book which has corrupted a noble soul into an venomous snake.

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Ok. Here is one on Dafur in Wikipedia:"JANJAWEED FORMED FROM THE ARABIC WORDS FOR "MAN", "GUN" AND "HORSE"–USING THE UN DEFINITION, THE JANJAWEED COMPRISED SUDANESE ARAB TRIBES THE CORE OF WHOM ARE FROM THE ABBALA(CAMEL HERDER) BACKGROUND WITH SIGNIFICANT LAMBO RECRUITMENT FROM BAGGARA(CATTLE HERDER) PEOPLE-.
"THE RIZEIGAT ARE A MUSLIM AND ARAB TRIBE–DIVIDED INTO THE ABBALA(CAMEL HERDING RIZEIGAT, WHO LIVE IN THE NORTHERN DARFUR–AND SPEAK CHADIAN ARABIC-)-"
IDEOLOGY: ARAB ETHNIC NATIONALISM.
The Janjaweed is the Arab militia formed by the Arab Sudanese govt to kill the Darfur people.
MAURITANIA
"–WHILE SLAVERY IN MOST PARTS OF THE WORLD IS A THING OF THE PAST, MAURITANIA REMAINS AN EXCEPTION–BLACKS CAN BE KILLED 'PERFECTLY WITHOUT BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYONE, WITHOUT HAVING TO APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE'–LIGHT SKINNED MAURITANIANS, KNOWN AS ARABS, HAVE CONTINUED IN AN ABSURD TRADITION THAT PENALIZES THE BLACK MAJORITY—RACISM IS ALMOST A BEDROCK OF THE MAURITANIAN ARAB CULTURE–" By Abdo Wone, in 'The African Report', Monday, 25 March, 2013.

//Have you read the various write ups on Darfur and Mauritania//

No.

["Was a legitimate, internationally recognized, Muslim authority consulted by the bombers before they bombed the Nairobi mall?"]

I don't know, but way too many Muslims are killing, bombing, and committing other atrocities and they openly say they do this for Islam and Allah. They do it in groups which means other group members believe the same things. Do none of them consult "authorities"?

["Question is whether these people bombed the mall just for the sake of bombing and killing people, or whether they had reasons for doing it?"]

It is Muslims like yourself who have to find answers to those questions! You are the one who have to convince them to consult authorities, just as you convince non-Muslim leaders and media that anyone talking against Islam is a 'Islamophobe' and is "provoking anger"!

BTW what reason justifies attacking people shopping at malls? What reason justifies mass-killing Christians in Pakistan especially when they are already a tiny minority of the population?

["….with due respect to you, I cannot entertain any suggestion that the Quran endorses unjust killing."]

Please tell that to the jihadis! They are the ones who kill on a daily basis and explicitly claim that they do this for the sake of Islam.

@knowTheEnemy:

Part of QS 3:7 is: "  … And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding." The last sentence is very important — it is instructing us to consult people of understanding, and this means tafsir / interpretation.

There are people among Muslims who, like you do, believe that there should be no interpretation of the Quran. But can they strike the neck of non-Muslims for no reason whenever and wherever they meet them? Just because the Quran says so? 

Please note that there is another verse which instructs Muslims to follow Allah, Rasulullah and "ulil amri min kum", i.e. the authority among you. Was a legitimate, internationally recognized, Muslim authority consulted by the bombers before they bombed the Nairobi mall? I am sure the answer is a negative.

Question is whether these people bombed the mall just for the sake of bombing and killing people, or whether they had reasons for doing it?

I regret, I cry for the innocent victims. In the same breath, let us also investigate why it happened in the first place. In the mean time, with due respect to you, I cannot entertain any suggestion that the Quran endorses unjust killing.

// … because of the color of their skin …//

How different is the color of the skin of the conflicting people in Darfur?

@Guest,
//You did not want to quote Lal because you have not understood his methodology.//
Cherry picking again. I primarily didn't want to quote him because his work is controversial because he has been painted saffron. There is his book and there are reasons quoted by him for coming to those figures. I have read it and haven't understood it well. So I made an honest confession. It doesn't mean the methodology and historical markers used were wrong or the conclusion was.

I therefore felt it right to give an independent point of view. Now Nath and Moreland. I haven't made any speculation or guesses in quoting them. Or are you saying I have quoted them wrongly? Moreland's book is named "India at the death of Akbar", I have read it and seemed logical to me (thats why I took 2 days to answer you), Nath's book I haven't read. You are employing "Shoot the Messenger" fallacy here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_the_messenger
My three points in coming to the conclusion remains intact. Those are made by respected experts of their fields and the conclusion is India's population were found to be same in 3rd century BC and in 1600 AD. This defies logic unless we have a mass scale population extermination over a long period of time. This is a tell tale evidence against Muslim aggression, since didn't face natural calamities in the league of the Black Death that manifested itself in Europe, for example.

Aryan Hindu did not use it in that context. He said :"THERE WAS NO ARYAN INVASION. HINDUS ARE ARYANS–". But the Concise English Dictionary says this of "Aryans" :"A MEMBER OF A PEOPLE SPEAKING AN INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE WHO INVADED NORTHERN INDIA IN THE 2ND MILLENNIUM BC."
Aryan Hindu meant the word in the second sense and his assertion has been debunked by the dictionary.

@Guest,
//Did I ever say it belonged to the Muslim in the first place? //
No you didn't. You asked whether it belonged to the Sikhs in the first place. I gave you an answer.

//And why did you use the word "recover" for the Sikh as if the diamond was taken from them in the first place and now they were recovering it. //
This is either your poor understanding or you are merely playing with words here. When we say "The police recovered guns from the criminals", do we necessarily mean that the criminals first snatched/robbed it from the police? Secondly I don't understand why you object. Since you were positing Sikh empire as a representation of India (at least a part of it anyway), and the muslim invaders (Nadir Shah and then it fell in the hand of Ahmad Durrani) were aliens, then this is off-course a recovery, in the sense you took the word, of an Indian artifact by an Indian contingent from an alien force.

//Here's what the Indian said//
Fine. If that is so, so be it. It proves nothing. It is not the most important things to settle between the two governments. If it were Indian government would have pushed far more since 1947. Anyway, it is neither here nor there. As far as I understand it was part of a war reparation, no matter what the Indian government claims, I respect there sentiment, but the legal case is quite weak. Its not a loot, or a loot only from a certain emotional perspective. I will be very glad if the Indian government can 'recover' it. I support the Indian Government in this case.

//If it was a bargain, the Indian Government would not have said that it had//
The Treaty of Lahore is there to be seen and read. It is an emotional issue for the Indians as indeed for many other erstwhile colonies (with similar claims), but still this doesn't constitute an example of 'loot'. I have explained it post after post that this doesn't compare with the plunder by Ghauri, Ghaznavi etc. You just want to obscure that point.

//A discussion on Koh-e-Noor gives perspective to our conversation.//
I fail to see how. The conversation was about how the Muslims looted and plundered, killing millions and torching religious institutions of the 'infidels' and how you stated that this was under "Allah's Guidance" and helped establish "the torch of Islamic civilization". It will be much appreciated if you can tell us how the history of Kohinoor and whether it belonged to the Sikhs 'in the first place' helps taking forward that particular thread of conversation.

@knowTheEnemy:

//They do this because the real reason for having enmity and wars against non-Muslims are the commands of Quran and Muhammad.  
"Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and Al-Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolators and disbelievers, etc.)." [Al-Qur'an 5:82] //

You only took part of the verse, and left out another which alludes to the affection of the Christian toward Muslims. You are advised to read the Quran with explanation by people of knowledge, who can provide you with history of the verse (i.e. asbal al nuzul). Again, context is important. 

@cchuckc:

//Neither did it belong to the muslims 'in the first place'//

Did I ever say it belonged to the Muslim in the first place? Never. I just asked you whether the diamond belonged to the Sikh in the first place. And why did you use the word "recover" for the Sikh as if the diamond was taken from them in the first place and now they were recovering it.

//If you are an Indian you may consider it a loot depending on how much value you attach to a particular incidence or event, in this case, the parting of the Kohinoor by the Sikhs. //

Here's what the Indian said: "The Indian government has a legitimate claim on the diamond. We hope to resolve this issue as soon as possible," a spokesman for the Indian High Commission has said. British officials are, however, firm that it must remain in Britain. Check it here: "http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2002-12-29/india/27298165_1_diamond-kohinoor-prince-charles

Another one: // In an interview to The Independent, Mr. Sengupta had said, “As efforts so far to reclaim stolen treasures have proved futile, UNESCO support is required … " //&nbsp ;http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/cant-return-kohinoor-diamond-to-india-britain/article446526.ece

Sengupta was an Indian Government official and he used the word "stolen." 

If it was a bargain, the Indian Government would not have said that it had " … a legitimate claim on the diamond .." It was another way of saying that the agreement was illegal. The Brits just wanted to be seen doing things in a legitimate way … it is legal in form, but not in substance. It was a bargain in form, but a loot in substance.

//"We don't have to discuss the history of Kohinoor you know!!"//

A discussion on Koh-e-Noor gives perspective to our conversation. It has a far reaching implication on us when we judge actors of history.

"-HINDUS ARE ARYANS–"
So was Hitler.

Muslim are as much integral to India as cancer to Humans.

There was no Aryan Invasion. Hindus are Aryans. The 2 Persian invasions into India failed utterly. Alexander the barbarian scratched India's Northern border and run away. Islam and Brits are the only 2 groups which conquered India. Brits are gone and Islam will follow.

Islam looted Humanity out of human

@Narcole
Some practical anecdote didn't required any meaning to be carved out to satisfy our way of thinking .Mohammed married Ayesha at 6 and fornicated at 9 this is practical aspect no one can deny , such people are called "Pedophile". If you say Mohammed didn't marry Ayesha at 6 while he was old man and, prove your claim then the audience will consider as to the claims of Mr Sina ,till then don't come here with dildos of Mohammed ,all are clairvoyant people here.

I never said any sentence using women deficiency with my own sentece. Cos i knew theres trap in those words 😉 btw did u read this article..i was too busy to give this link http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?7141-Hadi...

@narcole1919721,
//The spread of what? Where?//
You have poor eyesight or what? Spread of Islam, in the world.

//Mr chuck do you wanna be no.2 or stay as no.3?//
Islamists don't care much about the desires and wants of infidels.

Chuck, I am simply much interested, very glad and impressed and grateful you defended, say, Western past history in comparison to Muslim past history concerning India's past in such a knowledgeable, detailed, logical way.

As we know Western past was blemished, and we are prepared to criticize it too. But to one-sidedly condemn it without comparing it with the rest of history and especially with Islamic responsibilities is to me very unjust and thus very painful, frustrating and angering. You countered this! Well done and thank you!

Mr chuck do you wanna be no.2 or stay as no.3? 🙂

I never said im deficient in intelligence. It seems you have problems understanding grammar too. I can point out ur errors in understanding grammars too 🙂

@Guest
//When did the last conquest take place? How many people were living in India during the conquest? //
I understand that there are obvious difficulties in interpolating backwards for pre-census population figures. Any estimate of population figures is bound to suffer from errors. In a very controversial book noted historian K.S. Lal suggests that the population of India dipped from 200 million in 1000 AD to 170 million in 1525 AD. He thus says that between 60-80 million Indians perished due to these invasions. But I will not quote this as a source since I haven't understood the methodology used and the author is known to be pro RSS for whatever reason.
So I will try to quote some non-controversial sources:
1. It is estimated that the world population doubled between 900 AD and 1300 AD.
2. Pran Nath, in the book, Economic conditions of Ancient India, estimates that India population must have been between 100 and 140 million in 300 BC (when Alexander invaded).
3. W.H. Moreland estimated that the population of India in 1600 AD was around 100 million.
India in its time did suffer a lot of epidemics etc, but it still didn't face a calamity of the size of Black Death for example. One would have expected the population figures for India to match those of the world. But we see an almost steady population for about 1900 years. How do we explain this? The only possible explanation is that a mass scale extermination spread over a few hundred years possibly from a common cause. Now if we look back into India's history the only such period would be between 900 AD and 1500 AD when there was a wave of Islamic invaders whose mission was not only to loot and plunder but kill as many infidels they wanted and rape women and enslave whoever they could. There is a mountain called Hindukush which is possibly so named because Hindus used to die while crossing it (when the slaves were made to trek across it in harsh weather).
Did 80 million perish? I don't know. But the figure could be even higher or somewhere there.

@Guest,

//Well, I presume they carried and wore the coat of arms wherever they went to invade other countries//
They might have. That is neither here nor there. As I said it is a kind of misplaced Tu Quoque that you are trying to throw at us. This is very different from how Al utbi writes about that swine Mehmood's invasion of India. Quoting from tarikh Yamini of Al Utbi: "…He vowed every year he will undertake a holy war against Hind".. and after the invasion: "God also bestowed upon his friends such an amount of booty as was beyond all bounds and calculation, including 500000 slave, beautiful men and women".

The history I have read shows that the muhammadans caused more havoc in India than progress. They destroyed the university of Nalanda built in 5 BC and other institutions of advance learning. In their places they set up madarassas for their children. Even secularist Nehru had to admit that:"THE MUSLIMS WHO CAME TO INDIA FROM OUTSIDE BROUGHT NO NEW TECHNIQUE OR ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL STRUCTURE. IN SPITE OF A RELIGIOUS BELIEF IN THE BROTHERHOOD OF ISLAM, THEY WERE CLASS BOUND AND FEUDAL IN OUTLOOK. IN TECHNIQUE AND IN THE METHODS OF PRODUCTION AND INDUSTRIAL ORGANIZATION, THEY WERE INFERIOR TO WHAT PREVAILED IN INDIA–'
He would go on to say that the muhammadan presence made the caste system which still had element of flexibility in it more rigid by impoverishing the Indian populace,
Alberuni, who was captured in Persia and brought to India wrote:"MAHMUD UTTERLY RUINED THE PROSPERITY OF THE COUNTRY–HINDU SCIENCE HAVE RETIRED FAR FROM THOSE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY CONQUERED BY US, AND HAVE FLED TO PLACES WHICH OUR HANDS CANNOT YET REACH".

@narcole1919721,
//Yeah..if a bad moslem urinating on the wall which is haram in islam, these people will accuse this is from islam.//
Why can't you directly say that @jussay is a bad muslim:-) In fact the spread of Islam was possible only because of such 'bad muslims'.

["You don't want to know, and this leads you to ignorance. You do not have the desire to know the other side better."]

A wise man, I believe it was Jesus, said "You shall know the tree by its fruits."
Another one said "The proof is in the pudding."

I have seen how Muslims live! I hear about their doings every day. Unfortunately, almost all of what they do is either backed by the Islam, or the root cause can be found in Islam. I read your posts and I see a person who does not care about what is going on in the Islamic world. You are more worried about what we think and say about Muhammad, than about why there is so much turmoil in the Muslim world.

So what am I ignorant about? Tell me in brief your solution to reducing the turmoil in the Muslim world!
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["Sorry, I never referred to the moderates. You are putting words in my mouth."]

I said 'moderates' because in the west the Islam-apologists use this word for all the supposedly non-radical Muslims. So you believe 'moderates' is an incorrect word. Go ahead and tell us the correct term for the Muslims who are nowhere to be seen to oppose the terrorists!
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["//For whatever reason, their evil actions do not "provoke anger" in you! // This is again … wrong. 
So, this is how you operate."]

Is it wrong? What is the truth then? You stay unbothered, or it does "provoke anger" in you? And what do you do about it?
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["Say it differently: the US used the ISI to groom Taliban. A bit more differently: the US used Muslims to fight the Russian in Afghanistan."]

The US bribed the ISI and other Pakistan elites, and the ISI used the gullible pathans to make Taliban.
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["I don't know the rhetoric used by the ISI to convince the Taliban to fight the Russian. I guess the ISI would refer to the Russians being communist and kafir and they were in Afghanistan colonizing the country. Presumably the gullible Afghans just swallowed it. They didn't know that the US, which was kafir, was behind all these things."]

Yes you do know! Don't play dumb here. You do know what Taliban means- Students. Students of what? Students of Islam. They spend their entire life studying Islam and living by Islam! And who put them solidly on the path to study Islam and live by Islam? The ISI, of course!
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["…..and these elite Muslims, in the case of Afghanistan, are on the US's pay roll — and there is a very good chance this is also the case in Syria. "]

It is not that they (the elites) are on US payroll, they are good at fooling the US/European officials into believing that they know how to fix problems in the MidEast, that all that the western officials have to do is to provide funding and weapons.

And then these elites collaborate with mullahs to brainwash the ordinary Muslims. Brainwash them how? By teaching them Islam, that's how. Islam unfortunately, is an ideology that can be used to easily brainwash the gullible and radicalize them to the extreme. If there were no Islam, it would have been difficult as impossible to radicalize them.
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["Now, what's wrong with the Taliban ruling the area after the enemy is expelled? Afghanistan is their country. They can do whatever they want in their own country, especially if they are in a ruling position."]

I agree with this claim, but there is more to the story. The Taliban used ISLAM to rule Afghanistan. Result: Afghanistan was a living hell, especially for women, and whoever got a chance to get out of there, was fleeing the country. After the Russians were defeated, the ISI was no longer being funded by US, and by extension neither were Taliban. They were doing things strictly by Islam.

You did not point out that Afghanistan is also the country of ordinary Afghans. They should not have to suffer hell in their own country. But they were, all thanks to Taliban imposing Islamic law on them. So once again we see that it is Islam at the root of the problem.
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["Please note that I am no fan of the Taliban."]

No? Why not? What is it that the Taliban were doing that was not according to Islam?

BTW, I wrote an extented response (with a Quranic quote in it) to your previous post. Please make sure to check it out!

Hypocrite is the writer whose article you posted for me to read yesterday (and the scholars that he referenced)-
en.alukah.net/Shariah/9/9/

In some places in the article they say Islam does not call women "deficient in intelligence and religion", and in other places they say "women ARE deficient in intelligence and religion" when it comes to this and that!

There are so many fallacies in that article, it would have taken me 3 hours to write a post pointing them out, but when you yourself admit that you are deficient in intelligence and don't feel ashamed, then what's the point of showing you errors

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["I am sure you know that already without my informing you."]

Without you informing me, I now also know that you care more about the image of Muhammad than about the millions of people who are immensely suffering because "his thought, his teaching, his instruction remain with and for us [Muslims] to follow."
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["I can tell you that you cannot get your message across to Muslims if you are doing it this way."]

I told you earlier what this site's message is- That Muhammad was a fraud, and for this reason it is wrong to follow/obey him and commit atrocities against innocents! I also told you that we don't know of a gentle way of letting that message across to Muslims, but if you do, we are eager to learn of it!
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["If you continue doing it, you will just provoke enmity. Then I have to doubt your sincerity — are you doing this for the sake of making and sustaining peace, or for provoking another war?"]

This site is not what is provoking enmity or war! You know full well that it was Muhammad who provoked enmity and war against non-Muslims 1400 years ago. He was the one who divided the world into Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-harb! He is the one who claimed that Allah has permanent enmity with polytheists, Christians, and Jews.

If Ali takes down this site, would there be no more enmity or danger of war? Of course NOT! Devout Muslims had enmity with others, and they committed raids against others long before this site was started. If Ali takes this site down, Muslims will look for new excuses to attack others. They do this because the real reason for having enmity and wars against non-Muslims are the commands of Quran and Muhammad. 
"Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and Al-Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolators and disbelievers, etc.)." [Al-Qur'an 5:82]

If we do everything as you say and butter it up by washing your feet 5 times a day, even then you are required by Islam to see us as enemies and actually attack us. This mullah explains it well in under 5 minutes. But then I am sure you know that already!

["You should read books written by these writers so that, at least, you will be exposed to different ways of reading/understanding the Quran, hadith, history, culture and civilization of Islam."]

All I need to do to understand Islam is to take a look at how Muslims live and behave in the world. I do not need to read any books, I do not even need to read Quran or Hadiths. And I am sorry to say- Not only am I not impressed with the fruit of Islam, I am actually concerned that Islam is going to destroy the whole world!
The only reason why I started reading Ali Sina's articles is because no one else explained why Muslims do what they do. Ali's explanation on the other hand made perfect sense, it resonated with whatever little I knew of Islam's history, and because he backs all his claims with solid evidence! And because in all these years, no one has successfully rebutted his allegations!
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["Millions of people are happy in Islam and in being Muslim, and continue to be productive members of the the society. These terrorists are a minority, but they have a bigger mouth."]

"Bigger mouth" than who? the moderate Muslims? The moderate Muslims' mouths become quite big when someone draws a silly cartoon of Muhammad. And when terrorists are killed and attacked by non-Muslim authorities (drones, Afzal Guru etc). And when some Christian mistakenly says something against Islam.

But these same 'moderate' Muslims disappear into thin air when Muslims commit atrocities all over the world, including against each other! Tell me why no moderate Muslims say anything when terrorists yell allahu-akbar and kill munafiqs en-masse in Pakistan and Iraq, especially during Ramadan! Instead they complain against the non-Muslims for discussing these matters and call us 'Islamophobes'!

I'll tell you why moderate Muslims behave this way. Because they know that the terrorists are not doing anything that is truly un-Islamic! Take yourself for example! You are all concerned that we call Muhammad a fraud. You claim that we are wrong for associating terrorism with Islam. But when was the last time you contacted these "minority" of terrorists (online or otherwise) and told them they were going against Islam by committing killings and bombings?? For whatever reason, their evil actions do not "provoke anger" in you!
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["Taliban was groomed by the US when the US fought against the Russian in Afghanistan. Now the US is happily arming the same kind of people in Syria."]

Taliban was not groomed by the US! It was groomed by Pakistan's ISI! The US leaders wanted someone, anyone to oppose the Russians in Afghanistan. ISI's Taliban was the only force solid enough to do that. When it comes to foreign policy, the US is no saint and provided funding and weapons to ISI, but even then it was ISI who directly groomed the Taliban!

But there is something deeper that one needs to realize. How was the ISI able to convince those Pashtuns to join Taliban and fight against the Russians to their death? Or more importantly, why didn't the Pashtun go home after defeating the Russians? Answer: Because of their (Taliban) belief in Islam! Islam says to fight the non-Muslim enemy and rule the area after expelling the enemy! And that is what the Taliban have been trying to do non-stop!
If there were no Islam, there would have been no Taliban. Without Islam, any nationalistic military group would have disintegrated after defeating the Russians.

Regarding Syria in 2013, the story is different. The upper levels of US Govt today have been deeply infiltrated with Muslims of all kind, especially Sunnis. This was not the case back in the 80's. The true loyalties of many of these Sunnis lie with Saudi Arabia, and the rest with Muslim Brotherhood. They all have agendas and they are the ones who fool todays' US leaders (Bush, Hillary, Obama etc) into supporting the so called 'rebels' against Al-Assad (who is a Shia and is friends with Iran). The Islam-brainwashed dumb rebels fight to their death, but it is the elite Muslims who benefit. Once again, Islam has a lot to do with the Syria situation!
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[" I would like to inform you that the way you characterize Muhammad SAW is insulting to Muslims and you can provoke their anger."]

"Provoke their anger" and they will do what? They will kill and bomb? They are already doing that, and they were doing it long before this website was started! Who was "provoking their anger" back then? Why is it that Muslims are always provoked into anger over this or that thing?? Maybe if you ever study Islam you will learn why they do this!

@cchuckc:

//You can't deny that bloody history either.//

Neither can you deny that India has been the targets of competing powers coming from its West and North, even before the 13th century. There were Greek invasion, Persian invasion, Aryan invasion, and other invasions including those of Muslims and Europeans. All these invasions have both impoverished and enriched India. The Aryan's legacy is the beautiful language of Sanskrit. The Muslims left the beautiful buildings and gardens, while also encouraged trade between East and West. And the Brits, as you said, left democracy.

When he said "//The only person who felt its loss may have been the Maharaja if the diamond was in a palace or the priest if it was in a temple. // he ignored the plight of millions of Indians, or at least the Punjabis, under the British plundering rule. He said it as if the Koh-e-Noor was just a piece of jewellery. I have to emphasize here that the Koh-e-Noor is the symbol of sovereignty, of honor, and of the nation's dignity. So, any belittling statement can be considered an insult.

//The Anglo-Sikh battles were not fought for pan Indian independence.//

But it planted a powerful seed toward the fight for Pan Indian independence. Remember, the Amritsar massacre also happened in the Punjab, and it was considered to be an Indian massacre.

//A big chunk of the Muslims helped break the country, lest you forget. //

I don't forget the partition of 1947. But the partition was decided by the people of India. They thought they could not live together and a separate country would be a perfect solution according to the logic of those days. So they parted way. There was no plundering by Muslims who headed North, neither by Hindus who headed South. Still, admittedly, so much blood was shed. I would refer you to read a novel by Khuswant Singh "Train to Pakistan" which gives a good story of the Partition.

// … in the bargain … //

What a wonderful choice of word. In a previous post you generously considered it (in a way was) a loot. Now it is a bargain … 

Tell me how Ranjit Singh recovered the Koh-e-Noor from the Muslims? Did the diamond belong to Ranjit Singh in the first place?

Guest:

Many people think and reason thus. And I too applaud people who practice respect. And maintain dialog.

Both respecting and insulting messages exist, both are part of dialog. And the combination is probably the most beneficial for mankind.

I always was aware and in favor of respectful dialogue. But also of harsh-criticism and insulting where appropriate and useful. And that is what many people, and you, abhor, and want to advise against and often CENSOR.

But I believe that the ABSENCE of harsh-criticism & insulting is bad, even for the respectful dialoquers. You see, there is no contrast then, no bad cop versus good cop. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali already in # 2002, when she first began to criticize Islam, noted that even the slightest contradiction and pinprick against Islam was regarded as insulting and vehemently protested by Muslims. 

Even relatively respecting dialoguers then were the extremist anti-Islamists from the Muslim's point of view. And dialoques often soon foundered on Muslim anger and boycott. But now there are real rough critics of Islam and the respecting dialoquers are much better received by many Muslims. And the respecting dialoguers often do use the rough critics as contrast, saying that they are not like them and against them. And anyway, the prophit from them, like the Pope also prophited from the contrast between him and harsh critics.

Something else I noticed in the past, when respectful, mild criticism was presented to Muslims, the Muslims massively ignored it. Or they did not seriously address the criticism, because of "busy schedules", fatique/ illness, other "pressing" engagements, or even because of "being disinterested/ bored". It was only after Islam was frequently heavily insulted, that many Muslims paid full attention to criticism and complaints.

And  politicians in my country, long before Muslims came in the picture, had noted that to get real attention for something they wanted to be put on the agenda by the opposition and the media, and soon, they had to "rock the boat", "throw a big stick in the hen-house" by making some real insulting & provoking statements.

"If Her Majesty is to be called the "Queen of Thieves" because of the stolen diamond, should muhammadanism not be called the 'Cult of Thieves" because it was founded by an armed robber who boasted that booty had been made halal for him?"

And your Her Majesty's coat of arm is "God and My Right", which suggests that the Brits did the plundering in the name of the God they were worshipping. Is it too much if we call this God God of Thieves?

//The muhammadan conquest of India cost more than 80 million Indian lives.//

When did the last conquest take place? How many people were living in India during the conquest?

@Guest ,

//I need to be convinced — and I think it is my prerogative//

Since you are playing with semantics, let me point to you exactly what you said: "Sorry, you cannot convince me.". See that 'cannot'?

It means that you are not prepared to be convinced and that is so even before this article was ever written!! Thats why its not the scholars prerogative to convince you. (S)he is just making a statement of FACT.

//If the aim is to become a star, then it is purely a worldly pursuit.//

Now we are moving in circles. The person has clarified what he meant by the phrase and I have already stated what that phrase sounded to me.

//Ikhlaas does not mean stopping questioning, but s/he also has to dig into knowledge that has been accumulated in the last 14 centuries of Islamic scholarship.//

How do you know (s)he hasn't? Its your presumption and nothing else. Anybody who wants to be the very best would dig deep into every aspect of the study she is committing to. In a sense the 'Ikhlaas' you are referring to would stop you to think critically and pursue your goal with intent of learning.

//If s/he has exhausted all her/his effort to find the light of God and failed to find it, that means hidaya/guidance does not come to her/him.//

That is extra-logical. If he has exhausted all efforts and didn't find the light it can as well mean that there is/was no light to be found and that is immensely more likely.

You have to read history of colonialism in India. Muslims built civilization in India and the remains of it are the pride of India, but the Brits created poverty and dependency on millions and millions of Indians. Muslims remain in India and their wealth is the wealth of India, and the Brits fled the country with their plunders.

//The only person who felt its loss may have been the Maharaja if the diamond was in a palace or the priest if it was in a temple. // You are insulting the Indian's struggle to expel the Brits from their country.

Regarding the story of cotton trade in West Africa, please visit Mali, Cameroun, etc and see for yourself the pauperization of West African cotton farmers through unfair trade practices of the so-called developed countries. If you have a heart, you will cry. 

//"I can tell you that you cannot get your message across to Muslims if you are doing it this way. If you continue doing it, you will just provoke enmity. "//

No, criticizing-insulting is not done just to provoke, harass, it definitely has beneficial effects too.

Insulting Mohammed does get Ali Sina's message across sometimes. Once his message is conveyed Muslims must keep it in mind so as not to confirm it, and therefore they must consider well what they say and do, which they without knowledge of his message would not do. So they will speak and behave better because of it.

And of course when Muslims occasionally do behave bad against their fellow Muslims, their wives and daughters for instance, the victims of oppression may well consider "the enemy of MY enemy is my friend". And if Muslims know this, they then have to compete with Ali Sina for the support of their fellow Muslims, by treating them well and fair. Which they would not have to do, when they had total power over other Muslims and when there was no fierce criticism on/ insulting of Mohammed.

If Muslims perceive insults, "bad speech", let them respond with their own insults, or "good speech", NOT WITH ATTEMPTS OF CENSORSHIP!

@Know the Enemy
/First, if you keep using the language that you learnt at home, we are going to ask Ali Sina to ban you from posting. Then not only you will not be able to use filthy language here, you also will not be able to tell us where we are wrong about Islam and Muhammad!! Therefore, be wise and start behaving like decent people!/
This rat is nothing more than a stone thrower at infidels processions(he don't have independent mind to analise things) upon instigation's/indoctrinations from the illiterate Mullah's (Kadir Rana like miscreants ) .You have raised proper objections above .The administrator should really take note about this (narcole should guide this guy with her Prophets wisdom).I really like your in-depth understanding of subjects , thank you.

I won't live in a heaven ruled by Allah.

Grow up, kid!

You have not shown how the theft of the crown diamond impoverished the Indian populace. It didn't deprive them of their freedom. Nor did it take away their personal wealth. The only person who felt its loss may have been the Maharaja if the diamond was in a palace or the priest if it was in a temple.
If Her Majesty is to be called the "Queen of Thieves" because of the stolen diamond, should muhammadanism not be called the 'Cult of Thieves" because it was founded by an armed robber who boasted that booty had been made halal for him?
I am from and live in West Africa. The story you posted on cotton is wild muhammadan fabrication. In my country there are govt agencies not controlled by an external body which regulate trade on primary commodities. Every body is free to sell his produce to whoever wants to buy. People freely export what they have. Nobody's progress is impeded.
Muhammadans did not enslave only 500,000 Indians. That figure relates to only one raid by Mahmud of Ghanzi. The muhammadan conquest of India cost more than 80 million Indian lives. "THAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE MUHAMMADAN GAME IN THOSE DAYS IN INDIA".
Black slaves were first found with the muhammadans who had carried on the heinous enterprise for more than 800 years before the Europeans bought one. Bilal, who called the first adzan was a black slave and Muhammad also had a black salve boy who would later die in one of the raids.

@Guest.
//Well … so you were joking//
I am sorry but if you don't read the post in context and take out 2 words from it then the irony being projected would certainly be lost on you!! I am not sure whether I was correct in terming my thus saying a 'joke', but your response seems to have converted it into something amusing for sure. You even suggested the same to another poster who you have branded me to be 'flocking with'. I apologise profusely.

Abbajaan is back now… so piglet, you watched movie which covered your race… great keep watching it and ate Muslim shit.

"-FOND OF URINATING ON WALL–"
What a specialty! Being a Hyderabadi, you should go ahead and drink it too as Muhammad taught. Who knows it might be better for you than camel's urine.

@Guest ,
//Please elaborate in the context of looting of Koh-e-Noor by the British// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations
There was a war and then there was a treaty (Treat of Lahore) and one of its term was "The gem called the Koh-i-Noor which was taken from Shah Shuja-ul-Mulk by Maharajah Ranjit Singh shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England" (See wikipedia). thats why I said you may say it was looting in a way, but it is very different from plundering cities, killing innocent citizens post-war etc that for example, Abdali, Timur, Babur, Ghori, Mehmud of Ghaznavi, Khilji, Sultan of Bahamani et al did (only covering India since that seems to where you come from).

@Eagle
He can go in Pakistan. In Pakistan & Afghanistan people are more safe than Narender Modi state Gujrat? How many violence in Gujrat since last 10 years? How many violance in Pakistan & Afganistan in last ten years?

@Jussay

"in India 90% Hindus usually go Dargah daily or weekly."
Do you go? If You what did you do there?

@cchuckc:

Sorry, I did not acknowledge that " Islam made the Mongol convert even better looters, invaders and plunderers." 

Also, did I say all Mongols converted to Islam?

You should read books written by these writers so that, at least, you will be exposed to different ways of reading/understanding the Quran, hadith, history, culture and civilization of Islam. Try to begin with Martin Lings if you have time. Try to appreciate his work. I am sure you will see things differently. It is a pity if you only rely on Ali Sina, because even if he quotes the texts extensively he will find flaws and shortcomings only. He fails to get to the light.

Millions of people are happy in Islam and in being Muslim, and continue to be productive members of the the society. These terrorists are a minority, but they have a bigger mouth. Taliban was groomed by the US when the US fought against the Russian in Afghanistan. Now the US is happily arming the same kind of people in Syria. 

Insulting Muhammad SAW is not the same as insulting a dead body. Muhammad is "alive" among Muslims. He is not with us physically, but his thought, his teaching, his instruction remain with and for us to follow. Therefore, I would like to inform you that the way you characterize Muhammad SAW is insulting to Muslims and you can provoke their anger. I am sure you know that already without my informing you.

I can tell you that you cannot get your message across to Muslims if you are doing it this way. If you continue doing it, you will just provoke enmity. Then I have to doubt your sincerity — are you doing this for the sake of making and sustaining peace, or for provoking another war?

@cchuckc:

I need to be convinced — and I think it is my prerogative :).

If the aim is to become a star, then it is purely a worldly pursuit. Somebody who is ikhlaas knows that Allah is the best provider, and this makes worldly pursuit secondary or tertiary on his/her list of priorities. Ikhlaas is a pursuit in itself and it can take you to success "fi al dunya wa al akhira" — that is in this world and the hereafter. Ikhlaas does not mean stopping questioning, but s/he also has to dig into knowledge that has been accumulated in the last 14 centuries of Islamic scholarship. 

If s/he has exhausted all her/his effort to find the light of God and failed to find it, that means hidaya/guidance does not come to her/him. I believe Allah will reward her/him for the hard work, and without asking for or knowing it s/he will become a star.

@Guest,
//To me this is about looting.//
May be. So? There is a difference between war reparation and plundering cities and looking citizens. In their time the British certainly did such war crimes but this isn't an apt example. And what you are trying is called 'Tu quoque' which is a rhetorical fallacy.

//I have not checked the accuracy of this info, but perhaps you can help.//
Read the whole article on wiki, it has good number of references.

Woooow …

Don't look at Koh-i-Noor as mere diamond. It is a symbol of a sovereignty. If they could plunder Koh-i-Noor, they could do anything to ordinary Indian citizens.  And now the British are proudly showing the plundered diamond set into the crown of their queen. Is it too much if we call the queen Queen of Thieves? That is why Indians fought fiercely to be independent from the British occupation. 

Look at West African cotton trade. The West African farmers cannot sell their crops to the world without selling them first to European (French) traders. These farmers are just earning meager income, not better than slaves. Even if they are called farmers, in fact they are slaves without being called as such. This is worse than slavery, and it is affecting West African in the millions – and this is happening in the twenty first century.

In 18th century thousands of slaves were brought into England, and it was the high fashion of the time among rich ladies if they had BLACK CHILD SLAVES walking behind them carrying their stuff.

During Ottoman Empire slaves became high level officials. They became well trained bureaucrats, military, etc. Muslims conquered India and, as you quoted, enslaved 500,000 people, however, had the Muslims been defeated they would become slaves themselves. That was the role of the game in those days.

OPEN YOUR EYES …

Talking about plundering the wealth of Indian, this is what an Indian historian, M.A. Khan, quoting from the annals of al-Utibi, secretary to Mahmud of Ghanzi has to say:
"-GOD ALSO BESTOWED ON HIS FRIENDS SUCH AN AMOUNT OF BOOTY AS WAS BEYOND ALL BOUNDS AND CALCULATIONS, INCLUDING 500,000 SLAVES, BEAUTIFUL MEN AND WOMEN–"
Another Indian writer, Lal, added:
"–EVEN THE POOR(MUSLIM) HOUSEHOLDER BECAME OWNERS OF SLAVES-".
The British are guilty of having stolen the crown diamond from the rulers of India but that had no negative impact on the lives of the ordinary Indian citizen. The muhammadans are guilty of stealing the very humanity, among others, from the Indian people. What can possibly be worse than slavery?

When i was a small child? Hm…i wasnt raised religiously. Both my parents aint religious. Its me who decided to be religious and started preaching until people cant listen more. Even my bf said he couldnt listen to my preaching anymore and please preach somewhere else. And when he said that, i was so glad, i got permission to talk with other guys than him, and showed him this site. My bf isnt from religious family either. He had been living in western life style. Until he met me he started learning sholat, fasting,  majlis ta3lim etc…hes a good moslem man now. And i kept preaching him to do da3wah to his non religious family. He cant do that until now. Hes shy or afraid to do it. I hope by reading this his heart could be moved to start preaching. About conspiracy theories, its not believing. What to believe? Its not a ghaib thing. Its something you can check in real life and you still deny.

@cchuck:

I cut and pasted the following from wikipedia. To me this is about looting. I have not checked the accuracy of this info, but perhaps you can help.

"In 1850, the diamond [Koh-i-Noor] was confiscated from the Sikh Empire by the British East India Company and became part of the British Crown Jewels when Queen Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India in 1877. The diamond was traditionally known as "Kuh-e nur" in the 18th century after the British conquest of India. The diamond is currently set into the Crown of Queen Elizabeth and is on display at the Tower of London."

Well, somebody else among your flock acknowledges it is about guidance. Never mind.

If it is about wealth and self preservation only, non-Muslims do the same. Europeans looted Asia, Africa and the Americas.

@Guest
//and not very long they became Muslims themselves and became carrier of the torch of Islamic civilization.//
Which when translated in the context of history shows that they looted even more, threatened to destroy even more and invaded even more territories. I mean those Mongols who assimilated into Islam. And the Khalkhas, who returned or never stepped out of Mongolia didn't become Muslims, they gradually took up Buddhism.

//This is all about guidance from Allah. //
Yeah certainly.

@jussay,
//if I said urinating on wall then it is fault of my religion//
I didn't ask you to stop urinating, did I? You have a right to say that, and that is freedom of expression. I am not stopping you from saying it. But I am just pointing you to the FACT that in every second post you talk about urinating here or there. This smells of a particular penchant for the unsanitary job which might have originated from your Islamic background.

//otherwise you know I am a Hyderabadi.//
Which Hyderabad? Indian or Pakistani? And how does it matter?

//Ek bar jo gali di wapas phir woh nahi donga//
For the Hindi impaired: I won't repeat the swearing I have used once.

Dear X Muslim Scholar,

Please don't bother responding. When nothing is left to say they attack your person and your motivation. This is called ad hominem. Even in the comments on this article there is someone saying I know this site is garbage but I keep it because my livelihood depend on it. The truth is that i spend not just my time but also my money to keep my sites.

I think you should keep running your school until you can upgrade your diplomas and fins a teaching position in a university in another country. Meanwhile tell your students that all God cares is how much we love our fellow beings. This message resonate with their soul because that is what we are. Then when they come across the hate filled teachings of Muhammad, they will recognize the dissonance.

I must say I was lucky that I was so ignorant about Islam until I was already an adult and had familiarity with humanism, democracy and equality. Then when I read the Quran I saw I felt the dissonance and was aghast. Had I not been exposed to superior values, I would have accepted Islam on its face value.

"RUSSIANS WERE IDIOTS, THEY ATTACKED GERMANY–"
Typical muhammadan twisting of history. The Germans attacked Russia without any provocation and declaration of war because Hitler wanted land in the East for his 'lebensrum' or space for greater Germany. It took Stalin quite a while to believe that Russia was being attacked until reports reached him that waves upon waves of German panzers were rolling over his troops and their positions.Muhammadans will portray Hitler as the victim because he remains their hero.
"ALL ISRAHELLIS WERE ENJOYING IN HELL ALONG WITH THEIR RABBI".
It is common knowledge that one denizen of hell is that impostor prophet who was forsaken by the god he claimed to have served. His name: Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Mutallib.

["Off course we obey Allah and His Messenger. We believe Muhammad is Rasulullah who conveyed to us the message of Allah. Based on this, when Rasulullah was alive, Muslims followed his command. What's wrong with that?"]

You want to know what is wrong with that?? When Muslims followed Muhammad's commands innocent people suffered horribly! When Muslims follow Muhammad's (and his imaginary Allah's) commands today, innocent people, including Muslims, suffer day in and day out! (Here is an example from today's news….., This one from yesterday. And these are just the deaths; there is plenty of other suffering and abuse that doesn't result in death). In the last 1400 years hundreds of millions have suffered, all because of your belief in Muhammad's prophethood. THAT is what is wrong with that!

And THAT is why we have a problem with your 'Rasulullah'! If you stop believing he was Rasulullah, which he wasn't, all this suffering that happens because of a Muhammad's deception, will stop! That is what we are trying to make you realize!
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["To the ears of Muslims that sounds an insult."]

Muslims feel insulted because they have let themselves be decieved by Muhammad's lies, and think of him as someone who cared about them. So they care for him back and get attached to him like one gets attached to his/her baby!
The aim of this site is to point out the facts and make you realize, correctly, that Muhammad was only decieving you. He is NOT your baby!

["If you believe these are facts, you can convey them in gentle and reassuring manner….."]

We ARE telling you in a reassuring manner that Muhammad was decieving you, and was a liar and a criminal! (That doesn't sound gentle does it? but we don't know how to convey that fact in a "gentle" manner! Why don't you tell us how to tell a Muslim in a "gentle" manner that Muhammad was a fraud). We are assuring you, with evidence, that he is not even remotely worthy of veneration! So DO NOT feel insulted and ditch him like any thug should be ditched!

Whatever this site says, it says about Muhammad, not about people who got decieved by his lies! But Muhammad is dead. 'Insulting' Muhammad is like insulting a dead body. Does a dead body feel the insult? No it doesn't. Therefore, we are not insulting anyone. Ali Sina started this site because he cares about Muslims and wants to free them from Muhammad's lies, not because he wants to insult them. You are a victim of Muhammad's lies. No normal person insults a victim!
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["OK. So these are your references. From Ali Sina."]

No, the references are from Quran, Sahih hadiths, Sira, and scholars' writings (scholars that are respected by Muslims the world over)! And these references are all mentioned in the articles. Ali Sina has simply milked the truth out of these references.

Why should we read Rashid Ridha, HAR Gibb, Hossein Nasr, Martin Lings, or anyone else?? Do these people know more than the Quran and Sahih hadiths? Do these people explain things to us better than Allah does?

Is someone not showing his face such a big deal? If you take that to be a sign of cowardice, then think very seriously of this. Muhammad refused to show his ugly face when the Quraish surrounded his house. He sneaked out in the night through the window leaving Ali to lay in his bed wearing his(Muhammad's) gown to deceive the Meccans. That act of cowardice has become pivotal in muhammadanism as it is seen as the beginning of its era. So anytime you talk about the 'flight' or 'hijra', know that you are celebrating the epitome of cowardice. If it was proper for Muhammad not to show his face when asked to, then it is proper for Ali Sina not to show his face to muhammadans.
"-THEY WILL SNATCH YOUR PANT AND KEEP PENIS IN YOUR BACK HOLE RIGHT?"
Such is the muhammadan craving for deviant behavior. Muhammad had such a tendency and the shiites say Umar had the same too. Riyadh is now known as the "GAY CAPITAL" according to Sunni News.

2+2=5 but muslims believe the answer 4

Just abusing someone like Ali Sina is not a debate. Prove him wrong if you can. Ali Sina has wisely not exposed himself since he knows that Islam promotes terror and violence against those who expose the truth.

@Jussay

And why Islamist say today our population is …..% of this world they have to say only a little bit population of Actual Muslims and rest are Kafir, but you don't know what is Kufr and what is truth? If you know, you will not use such sentence. You have blind faith on Muhammad and his Imaginary Allah. 

@knowTheEnemy
// I believe you, but this was common knowledge back then. People believed in seeking happiness now and in the hereafter even a thousand years before Islam, so there is nothing new there! //

Who said it was new?

// This site is not "insulting" any Allah. Allah does not exist! Allah died the moment Muhammad died because Allah was made up by Muhammad! This site is simply pointing these facts out! //

To the ears of Muslims that sounds an insult. Don't you know that? What is your aim? Just to point out "facts"? Will you be happy with that? If you believe these are facts, you can convey them in gentle and reassuring manner and we can come to a discussion.

// Ok so you have NOT read many articles here. Please read ten-twelve articles and you will get the answer. Here, start with these two-  http://alisina.org/blog/2012/07/29/holland-c-tylo… http://alisina.org/blog/2012/07/30/holland-c-tylo….  //

OK. So these are your references. From Ali Sina. Why don't you do your own original reading? If Ali Sina is the only reference you have, off course everything Islam is wrong. You will find nothing good about Islam in his writing. Be a thinking person. Why don't you read Rashid Ridha? Why don't you read HAR Gibb? Why don't you read Martin Lings as well? Why don't you read Hossein Nasr?

//"Obey Allah and his messenger", and ask yourself why Muhammad included himself when he told people to obey Allah.//

Off course we obey Allah and His Messenger. We believe Muhammad is Rasulullah who conveyed to us the message of Allah. Based on this, when Rasulullah was alive, Muslims followed his command. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with Piglets? They are so cute if you take care of them well (Have you ever watched the movie 'Babe'?). And they are intelligent!
Even Muhammad did not know what was wrong with pigs. He simply copied the Jews to make himself look upper-class!
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["Ass-hole"]

Look, calling us names is NOT going to protect Muhammad's reputation! Only sound logical explanation about how he was a 'prophet' is going to save his image! Can you do that?
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["if someone ask my nationality I will say Indian, I cannot say Human being.."]

Who was talking about nationality?  You wanted to know my *religion*, not nationality, and I gave you the answer!

Oh really I thought that you are a Piglet not human being. Ass-hole, I will explain what i s expecting from you, if anybody calls me by name I will respond that is my identity but apart from this, if someone ask my nationality I will say Indian, I cannot say Human being..

@X Muslim Scholar,

You can just leave for another destination where you will feel more comfortable. If you continue teaching in that school, you will be suffering internally. Money is nothing compared to spiritual discomfort you are experiencing with your present understanding about Islam. But I remain with my initial suggestion for you to re-inspect your niyyah, because I am sure you will not come to this stage if you are ikhlaas. Allah may make someone a star even if s/he does not aspire for it.

Why dont your Ali sina show face after being the status of powerful Internet ,Democracy and Police. He can debate with me even wearing GHOONGHAT.

Baby why don't you dare to say G-D dead? you cannot because you will get bankrupted, they will snatch your pant and keep penis in your back hole right?

I am not concerned on Wahbis and their Idiology.. I want to kick all piglets who are using Mohammed Salla Allah ho alaiwa salam name.

Demsci,

This sort of people can just leave Islam … Muslims want to have scholars who are genuine, ikhlaas/sincere. I agree with you there are many Muslim teachers who teach for the sake of a steady income. They are just too comfortable materially with whatever they are gaining from Muslims around them that they have no more trust in Allah who is the Best Provider. There is no creativity in their work. No ijtihad. Muslims will be better off without them.

@ Guest

Sorry Mr.Guest, I am not trying to convince you. I was just explaining you what I meant with it.

First of all, I am not good in English. I did my studies in Arabic Language. The English whatever I know today is my self study. Being a student of this language I can make mistakes in composition.

Let me tell you that this letter was mailed to Dr. Ali Sina, I didn't expected that it will be published Online. I know very well for whom this message was mailed, he has got my point and my INTENTION.

Again my suggestion to Mr. Guest is your religion is not safe as you believe. Being a scholar I know that Islam and the Quran is baseless.

IF your intention is to please Allah, then open your mind and study Quran, Hadith without the explanations of Ulamas.

Peace be upon YOU.

["Islam has different shades….."]
["Wahabis your step brothers"]

Ahhaa! well then you do not need to worry about this site at all. This site is designed to debunk the Quran, sahih hadiths, and seerah of Wahabis and all those intolerant radical shades of Islam, not yours! Because it is THEIR actions that are consistent with their Quran, their sahih hadiths, and their seerahs.

Wow… that was easy, no? Now you can just relax…. we have nothing against your shade of Islam!!

Nice.. if I said urinating on wall then it is fault of my religion.. and if you put QURAN Shareef on floor and draw animal image, then it is freedom of expression…Oye yaar stop cheating yourself, did I use bad word for any other relgion or religious personality?. Obviously it is Islam which prevent me to do so.. otherwise you know I am a Hyderabadi. Ek bar jo gali di wapas phir woh nahi donga.

Hi Piglet, I have good references of 9/11 attacks. Insha Allah i will share here soon.

@knowTheEnemy,

You don't know Islam. Sorry.

The Allah that you are insulting says in the Quran that people should seek happiness in the hereafter without forgetting their happiness in the present life. This is in the Quran. If you want to know, check for yourself where it is in the Quran, if you can't find it you always can come back to me.

My question to you is how did you come to conclude that Muhammad Rasulullah " …  wanted people to forget everything about themselves and serve him (Muhammad) alone." 

Is not Islam secular?"

Let me get this straight.So it's your contention that the main goal of Sharia (islamic jurisprudence) is to seperate Islam from the State's affairs and to remain neutral in support of religion or irreligion.Geez…you muslims are funny when you're so desperate for validation.
Perhaps you can quote verses from the quran or hadith to substantiate your argument.

@jussay,
//JIS PAR PESHAB KARNA MANA NAHI HAI//
I understand your preoccupation with urinating. Muhammad (piss be upon him) taught you that well enough.

//INSHA ALLAH new ottoman khilfat will emerge sooon…from Bangladesh to Spain //
Fortunately Muslims are incapable of doing that. The new Ottoman's could be Jews!!

["I will reply i n detail tonight as I got to go outside for some urgent work…"]

Make sure to stop by at the masjid and ask the sheikh saab if he can give the answer to what I asked-
[OK tell me, in what context is Sura 5:101-102 applicable?? When does a person lose faith in Islam just for receiving answers for questions that s/he is curious about??]

I will reply i n detail tonight as I got to go outside for some urgent work… mean-time you can do home work.. Hey you used word hell and heaven in your comments, by the way which relgion you follow? dont say that you are atheist. if you are soo then write something about Zionist and Dajjal……

Thank God that you asked one relevant question. Have you hospitalized any time? Did your doctor say dont use food, just drink Juices. Does it mean Doctor recommends/Advice against his patient. Eating food harm human? Baby grow up just check the context of the Sura not content only.

If I use/draw graphics of hoaxcaust.. your countless father cry, and say Muslims are ruthless they dont respect other feeling. Where that gone now?

Funny thing is Entire Europe claim they are atheist and then dying for a WALL (JIS PAR PESHAB KARNA MANA NAHI HAI).

INSHA ALLAH new ottoman khilfat will emerge sooon…from Bangladesh to Spain

ok thanks for pointing out my error!

Bro.. he too know this, he is Zionist servant using article writing/blogging skills against Islam and making livelihood. How poor this guy.

Mr Filthy Demsci.. make connection between your filthy mouth and mind before commenting. Have you been to any Durga?. in India 90% Hindus usually go Dargah daily or weekly. Is not Islam secular?. Yeah you are right by using some techniques and advancement in sciences, these filthy dogs became a bit powerful and Muslims should start thinking "Fooling others only not haram. Getting Fooled also haram". Insha Allah this thug (Ali-sina) and its follower (Ali baba and 40 choor) will start try to attack more and more on Islam as their illegal fathers force them, they cannot pay if Muslim stay calm.

Hey dumboo, keep your views/freedom of thoughts/writings in your filthy ass. Now tell me if I praise to Hitler how Jews dog react?.
Here another Hyderabadi quote " Hum khaye tu shahed aur tum khai toh makki ka toilet". I have list of Zionists/Dajjal Followers sins and crimes against all humanity.
Ali sina dont forget that you have to die one day. Max you will live another 20-30 years. Be ready for the justice from Allah. I felt shock when I saw that graphic (Quran with one animal) on this shitty site.

Bahais are not Muslim and follow no part of the Quran.

//"You should say thanks to Muahmmed (SAW) for you livelihood. you are getting paid to scold and get scolded poor guy"//

So the Islamic teachers and leaders say thanks to the Zionist dogs for employing the Islamic scholars with scolding the Zionists?

//"But I believe you are unemployed, and you thought that Ali Sina has a firm to hire anyone with a talent of cursing Islam."//

By that logic, many of the Muslim teachers who ARE employed primarily stay in their job and propagate pro Islam because it is their livelyhood, income. And not because of any genuine conviction. If Islam loses, they lose. And Muslims keep them in business until death or retirement, even if Islam is not true.

@cchuckc
Of course (s)he has. What I am not convinced of is her/his claim of sincerety/ikhlaas. Ikhlaas means to have the intention of only Allah in one's acts of obedience. The motive must be only the Proximity and Pleasure of Allah. This motive must not be contaminated with personal motives of gain or the pleasure of others. (quoted from:&nbsp ;http://www.islaam.org/tasawwuf/Tasa_40.htm). Aiming to be a STAR is not a reflection of ikhlaas.

Look Mr. CC(Chuthiya commenter) . I was feeling bore.. I have another one hour to time pass then my working hour will complete, I am just playing with idiots like you and Ali Sina.

@jussay,
//sorry wrong this time you are a bit creative you used word everything before "you" //

Cant the same about you though. You appear just as brain dead as the other muslims who visit this site, except Narcole, who on comparison looks wee bit better these days.

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa omg you made my day.,. I am laughing like hell. Again you made kiddish comment, copied my content and simply add tun najayz hooo.. AAAAAAAAAAAAAh sorry wrong this time you are a bit creative you used word everything before "you"

Ali-sina khush honga .. Inaam dega hahaaa

Russians were idiots, they attacked Germany, otherwise present scene would have different. All ISRAHELLIS were enjoying in hell along with their Rabbi

@jussay ,

Everything you do is najayaz. Including your children. Thanks for the confirmation. As far as I am concerned, my parents are God (not that ego-centric Allah) himself, I could never be najayaz.

Tum hamari Najayz aulad hoo.. so obviously you hate us

@jussay
//I can pass my urine on that wall //
The Islamist are trying to do that for past 65 years. Result. Israel is still there. The wall is still very much there and the Middle East Islamist regimes don't have courage to do anything to them, much as they want.

@jussay
//Aap hi hai woh.. or same to you.//
You don't even know your hindi/Urdu. Suwar ho suwar hi rahoge.

Lol reading this article is funny. if u read smeone online saying "im a rich smart handsome religious kind caring, honest humble funny generous and grateful" would you believe just like that? x'D who are you fooling, kindergarten kids?? So many such articles here  pfft

["I do know about my Islam and world……."]

YOUR Islam? and YOUR world?? There is no YOUR Islam kid; there is ONLY Muhammad's Islam. The Sunna of Muhammad is Islam, and you believe in his (Muhammad's) Islam! You have no identity and no religion of your own! All that YOU are doing is keeping Muhammad's mental illness alive through YOUR body!
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["I read somewhere in this ****ty blog that Ali-Sina is Zionist and coward to debate with Zakir Naik, "]

Yeah you read crap somewhere but didn't do any research of your own. I can't blame you, you have been trained to blindly believe whatever you read! If you had done your own research, you would have found the following two links, and would have realized that it was Zakir Naik who is a coward and rufeses to debate Ali Sina.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaikp2.h…

(Actually, I wouldn't call Zakir a 'coward'. He is simply a smart showman and knows not to mess with people who will pop his hot-air balloon in no time. For him, it is much more safe to fool Muslims. )
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[" I challenge you within 1-2 months I can bring Alexa rank less than your site(which took 6-8 years I believe)."]

And if you succeed then what would happen? Your reputation will shine all over the world?? Well instead of YOUR reputation, you need to worry about saving Muhammad's reputation and meet THIS challenge.

Before you get started on the challenge, I strongly recommend that you read Ali Sina's book "Understanding Muhammad and Muslims". If you don't want to buy it, write to Ali and he will e-mail you an older version for free.

I do know about my Islam and world before Islam,don't teach me, just try to educate yourself. I read somewhere in this shitty blog that Ali-Sina is Zionist and coward to debate with Zakir Naik, I read all his kiddish condition. I challenge you within 1-2 months I can bring Alexa rank less than your site(which took 6-8 years I believe). And why dont I talk about Torah.. and that wall as soon another Sallahuddin Ayubi will conquer it. But honestly it is Islam which prevent me otherwise I can pass my urine on that wall

@jussay,
//Chutiya ki kami nahi duniya main, ek doondo hazar milte//
And some are found without even searching.. maslan aap janab

Be ware of Dajjal (Anti-Christ) follower, surely he will go to Jahnum along with his dumboo supporters

Hey Mr. Dimwit(Ali Sina) the great idiot of this time, why dont you share your real identity?.We all know that you are just paid clown of Zionist dog.You should say thanks to Muahmmed (SAW) for you livelihood. you are getting paid to scold and get scolded poor guy

["There was great Urdu Poet Mirza Ghalib, he said in urdu 
"Chutiya ki kami nahi duniya main, ek doondo hazar milte""]

After reading your post we now know Ghalib was correct, because you are perfect example of one!

@kismet,
//you would acted to solve your problem yourself and without asking for the help of Sina.//
So you are arguing that a scholar doesn't seek help, advice or suggestions from others? What a foolish conjecture. In that case there could be no true muslim scholar because they seek help from tafsirs et al.

Sorry, you cannot convince me. A star is a star, with fame and worldly gain. If you aim to be a star, your objective is to be famous and/or rich and get recognition from other human being. A sincere/ikhlaas student does not aim for stardom. 

Kismet, you know what actually smells? Dead dogs. Here's a quote from your Holy prophet:
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Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: The people asked the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Abu Dawud 1:66 , See Also Abu Dawud 1:67
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Hadiths are an important part of Islam and Abu Dawud is one of the six collections of Hadith. There's a lot of nice hadiths and verses. Continue to believe in Islam in order to get your imaginary 72 virgins.

Mr Guest, as I said "My aim was to be a STAR in Islamic World … "

It doesn't mean that my Niyyah was wrong. I know that islamically my deeds are judged upon my intention. How can i aim to be a STAR without seeking the pleasure of my GOD?.

This sentence was to describe that i devoted my life completely in Studying Islam.

Just because my Niyyah/Ikhlaas, Allah guided me. Gave me the correct understanding of Islam and Quran. I got to know the truth. I realized the greatness of Allah and found that Islam cant be His religion and quran cant be His book.

My suggestion to my brother guest is to study islam with naked eyes and switching ON your BRAIN (which is the BIGGEST GIFT from Allah to judge what is truth), not with the commentary of Ulamas. They sugarcoat it so much that it does not resemble its truth.
Peace be on you

//Mr Ex-Muslim scholar, you may or may not be telling the truth, but from what I can read, you are an honest man. //

Can an honest man not tell the truth?

Mr Ex-Muslim scholar – there are people studying very ancient written texts of the Koran, but they are not Muslims. But they are scholarly. And they believe the texts were written in other than Arabic, maybe Syrio-Aramaic. Obviously, Muslim scholars would reject any possible analysis. 10th century Alta-Bari recognised words from many cultures. Karl-Heinz Ohlig and Gerd-R Puin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzXzCCVC1I if I can post a link.

Mr Ex-Muslim scholar, you may or may not be telling the truth, but from what I can read, you are an honest man.
Because of the cross-roads we are at in the so-called-western world, where there is a 'potential' clash of cultures on the horizon., there are plenty of jobs for a person with deep knowledge of Islam, and its writings. I don't think its that uncommon for a religious scholar, from any faith, to question their belief. In fact, I believe that Islam is the only one, where you are specifically commanded to not question it, as it is the perfect word of god. But this very questioning can allow religions to change and adapt, whereas Islam is non-changing, forever
It would indeed, be enlightening to hear why , in your heart, you decided to leave Islam, as these are the very reasons which would make other Muslims question, and ultimately leave, their faith. I may not be saying things in an academic way, and I may make mistakes, but I feel as you do, few people realise that the 'Descent to Hell' may be closer to us than we would like. As a message of hope for leavers and non-believers, your words are extremely encouraging. I wish you luck.

When you think you know everything you have learned nothing. The first step towards enlightenment is to admit that you still have a lot to learn.

 I think this is Mr. Sina's point when he says that he has understanding but lacks knowledge.

["They're not even debating him anymore."]

ha ha. Now they (Muslims) are seeing the light and ditching Islam! This article is a good example!

Ali Sina has posted pictures of himself, so I think he's not too worry about his safety at this point. I think the last thing Muslims want is to drew more attention to his sites by harming him. They're not even debating him anymore.

and sir please dont say that you have little knowledge i have read your debate with javed ghamidi your knowledge and your thinking is great if a person like joker naik can claim himself to be a scholar then you are a super scholar

Since our nameless friend's English is so good, he can be an English teacher to earn a living. 

Isa Upanishad 
Peace Chant
OM! That (the Invisible–Absolute) is whole; whole is this (the visible phenomenal); from the Invisible Whole comes forth the visible whole. Though the visible whole has come out from that Invisible Whole, yet the Whole remains unaltered. OM! PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!
The indefinite term “That” is used in the Upanishads to designate the Invisible–Absolute, because no word or name can fully define It. A finite object, like a table or a tree, can be defined; but God, who is infinite and unbounded, cannot be expressed by finite language. Therefore the Rishis or Divine Seers, desirous not to limit the Unlimited, chose the indefinite term “That” to designate the Absolute. In the light of true wisdom the phenomenal and the Absolute are inseparable. All existence is in the Absolute; and whatever exists, must exist in It; hence all manifestation is merely a modification of the One Supreme Whole, and neither increases nor diminishes It. The Whole therefore remains unaltered.
I
All this, whatsoever exists in the universe, should be covered by the Lord. Having renounced (the unreal), enjoy (the Real). Do not covet the wealth of any man. We cover all things with the Lord by perceiving the Divine Presence everywhere. When the consciousness is firmly fixed in God, the conception of diversity naturally drops away; because the One Cosmic Existence shines through all things. As we gain the light of wisdom, we cease to cling to the unrealities of this world and we find all our joy in the realm of Reality.
The word “enjoy” is also interpreted by the great commentator Sankaracharya as “protect,” because knowledge of our true Self is the greatest protector and sustainer. If we do not have this knowledge, we cannot be happy; because nothing on this external plane of phenomena is permanent or dependable. He who is rich in the knowledge of the Self does not covet external power or possession.
II
If one should desire to live in this world a hundred years, one should live performing Karma (righteous deeds). Thus thou mayest live; there is no other way. By doing this, Karma (the fruits of thy actions) will not defile thee. If a man still clings to long life and earthly possessions, and is therefore unable to follow the path of Self–knowledge (Gnana–Nishta) as prescribed in the first Mantram (text), then he may follow the path of right action (Karma–Nishta). Karma here means actions performed without selfish motive, for the sake of the Lord alone. When a man performs actions clinging blindly to his lower desires, then his actions bind him to the plane of ignorance or the plane of birth and death; but when the same actions are performed with surrender to God, they purify and liberate him.
III
After leaving their bodies, they who have killed the Self go to the worlds of the Asuras, covered with blinding ignorance. The idea of rising to bright regions as a reward for well–doers, and of falling into realms of darkness as a punishment for evil–doers is common to all great religions. But Vedanta claims that this condition of heaven and hell is only temporary; because our actions, being finite, can produce only a finite result. What does it mean “to kill the Self?” How can the immortal Soul ever be destroyed? It cannot be destroyed, it can only be obscured. Those who hold themselves under the sway of ignorance, who serve the flesh and neglect the Atman or the real Self, are not able to perceive the effulgent and indestructible nature of their Soul; hence they fall into the realm where the Soul light does not shine. Here the Upanishad shows that the only hell is absence of knowledge. As long as man is overpowered by the darkness of ignorance, he is the slave of Nature and must accept whatever comes as the fruit of his thoughts and deeds. When he strays into the path of unreality, the Sages declare that he destroys himself; because he who clings to the perishable body and regards it as his true Self must experience death many times.

I am so sorry to hear that Agracean. This is a horrible story. No matter what you are a precious soul in the eyes of God and even though your brain was hurt and may have lost some of its functionality your consciousness is intact and healthy. We come to this world for one thing alone and that it to love. If you can love everyone, you have fulfilled the purpose of your life. The rest is secondary, actually completely irrelevant.

Well, what can I say except… This is cool! 😀