The Sound, Sane and Rational Quran that Makes You Laugh
In the comment section of this site I asked a Muslim who said people should read the Quran instead of reading my articles, whether she has read the Quran. She replied, “Yes I did. Your strategies are not going to work on any sound, sane and rational mind. You’re wasting your time, take my word.”
I am not going to take her word, but I decided to quote a few verses of the Quran and ask Muslims to highlight the parts that are sound, sane and rational.
The Quran says, “Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals.” And then the angels tested him to make sure he has remembered them. (Q.2:31)
So far zoologists have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals. And, although there are a million named species of insects, scientists estimate that there could be another million waiting to be discovered and named! This number does not include subspecies. There are even more species of plants.
Under this light can you still say that the verse 2:31 is sound, sane and rational?
The Quran 2:55-56 says, Allah stroke the Jews with lightening when they disbelieved and then revived him so they thank Him.
“And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly; and even while ye gazed the lightning seized you. Then We revived you after your extinction, that ye might give thanks.”
I don’t know what is your definition of sound, sane and rational. This sounds like something someone suffering from narcissistic personality disorder would do. Narcissists love to crush and humiliate others and then rescue them in order to show their absolute power over them. This video is a perfect example of what I am talking about. No sane person with sound and rational mind would behave in this way, let alone God, the maker of this universe. This pathetic behavior befits mentally insane people.
The Quran 2:61 says at the time of Moses Allah brought down abasement and humiliation upon the Jews because they disbelieved in the messages of Allah and killed the prophets unjustly.
The injustice of this punishment is not the point. The point is that Moses was the first prophet sent to the Jews. So how could Allah punish them for a crime that they had not yet committed?
Is this sound, sane and rational?
The Quran 41:11 says, “Then He [Allah] directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.
Even the first graders know that heaven and earth are not separate from each other. Earth is s spec inside the vast universe – the heaven. So the Earth and the Heaven coming together or being separate from each other is an absurdity. The Earth is inside the heaven. It can never be separate from it. But that is not my point. My point is that Earth and all other planets and stars that make up the heaven are inanimate objects. They move by the force of gravity. They don’t have a mind of their own and can’t obey or disobey. They are rocks. Can rocks think, talk and decide what to do? According to the Quran 2:74 yes. It says “And indeed there are rocks which fall down for the fear of Allah.” This to me sounds like stories told for children, not for sound, sane and rational minds.
The verses 2:65-66 claim that Jews were told not to break the Sabbath, but when they did, Allah transformed them into apes and made them despised and hated, to set an example and admonition to the God-fearing.
This story is repeated three times in the Quran. It does not sound very sound, sane and rational. Now of course Allah can do anything even the ridiculous. My question is whether this punishment does not exceed the crime. Why working in Sabbath should be such a big deal for Allah and if it is, why He did not ratify it with Muhammad? Allah ratified the law or stoning the adulterers, but forgot to ratify the abstention from work in Sabbath?
Asma, is one young lady who left Islam a few months ago. She was helped by Shakila whose story is posted in this site. She wrote to me a few days ago pointing to a contradiction in the Quran that I had not noticed.
She said that despite the fact that usury (ribah) is prohibited in Islam, Allah in the Quran 2:245 offers ribah to Muslims. He asks them to finance Muhammad’s wars and promises to repay them with huge interest after they die. She asked why is it okay for Allah and his messenger to practice usury, but it is not okay for Muslims. Asma is wrong. Ribah in Islam is prohibited. Allah and his messenger in this verse are practicing taqiyyah, the holy deception. There will be no reward for all those benighted fools who give their money and life for Muhammad and his fictitious Allah. It does not sound logical for God to need people’s money to finance the raids of his prophet when he can count with the force of his angels and can make calamities to strike his enemies.
At least in the time of Moses, Allah punished his detractors on his own. Did he lose his power when he sent Muhammad? Why would he need to borrow money from Muslims to finance the raids of his favorite prophet?
Although the Quran repeatedly claims to be conveyed clearly (Q. 2:99; 5:15 -16; 10:15; 6:55; 45:25; 41:53; 35:40; 26:195; 24:1; 17:12; 2:256), a complete book that covers all things (Q. 6:38; 16:89; 17:89; 18:54), easy to understand (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) with all kinds of examples (Q.39:27; 30:58) and no doubt in it (Q 2:2; 11:1), explained in detail (Q. 6:114), which cannot be changed (Q 6:115; 15:41), self-explanatory (Q. 2:185) and without any contradiction (Q 4:82), the verse 3:7 says, Allah “is he who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation, but none knows its interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge. This verse seems to be contradicting all those claims about the clarity and the ease of understanding of the Quran.
What is the point of giving parables that no one understands? Parables are used to make complex concepts clear, not to make them more difficult to understand. Something does not sound very sound, sane and rational in this verse.
Now here is something that is sane, sound and rational. The verse 2:230 says if a man divorces his wife three times she shall not be lawful to him afterwards until she marries another husband; then if he divorces her there is no blame on them if they return to each other.
Brilliant! If in the heat of rage you utter the word talaq three times to your wife, you can no longer remarry her until someone else marries her, takes her to bed and enjoys her for some times and then if he divorces her you can take the mother of your children home and she will become lawful to you again.
This goes beyond sane, sound and rational. It is genius! How could an illustrate man of the Seventh Century Arabia know this much?
But let us be fair. There are also nuggets of truth in the Quran. Take the example of the verses 3:54 and 8:30 that say “and Allah is the best of deceivers” (waAllahu khayru almakireen ). Who can argue with that? This is where the Bible and the Quran coincide. The Book of Revelation 12:9 says Satan is the deceiver of the whole world.
How about proving him wrong with your explanation, instead of just saying he is wrong.
A muslim converted to Christianity says,
Their great book is the Qur’n of Koran, for which the most extreme verbal, divine inspiration is claimed. In it Jesus is acknowledged to be a great prophet of God, but inferior to Mohammed. They hold that our Lord was born of a virgin, and that He was the promised Messiah. They affirm that as the Koran superseded the Holy Scriptures, so Mohammed superseded our Lord, Mohammed made the most ridiculous claims for himself, saying, “I was a prophet when Adam was still between clay and water.” he claimed that God said to him, “Had it not been for thee, I had not have created the world.” The koran contains outstanding inaccuracies, such as the confusing of Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron, with the virgin Mary, and depicting Haman, chief nobleman at the court of Ahasuerus, king of Persia, as a minister of Pharaoh, King of Egypt. Dr SM Zwemer says, “The koran has many historical errors, contains monstrous fables, teaches a false cosmogony and is full of superstition.”
I, personally, read the Koran. After reading the Bible I consider Koran a “joke” of the highest order. Nothing coherent, no sequence or chronological order. It is basically a great confusion. It is a laugh.
A`uudzubillaahi minasy syaithaanir rajiim,
Bismillaahirrahmaanirrahiim,
Mr Ali Sina,
I disagree with your opinion:" how God punished the Jews for the crimes that have not been done". Let us quote the full translation of Quran 2:61
And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.
This verse tells the story of the Jews who are not satisfied with the good luck that had been given to them, such as manna and salwa food ( Quran 2:57 ), twelve springs ( Quran 2:60 ), but they are asking again vegetables, cucumbers, garlic, lentils and its onions. . " In this regard the Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam advised them to seek some other city will definitely find of interest.
THEN………. they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.
The humiliation did not occur during the time of Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam , but after the Prophet Musa ` alayhi salam.
The next fact the Jews killed the prophets themselves , among others, the Prophet Zechariah ` alaihi salam and Yahya ` alaihi salam ( John the Baptist ) , and tried to kill `Isa `alaihi salam ( Jesus).
The facts showed the Jews left their country. They were slaved, oppressed, persecuted for thousands of years by European nations.They finally got up , and returned to the land of their ancestors and built a country, namely Israel, but gluttony and greed are still inherited, especially by Ariel Sharon.
O Children of Israel, you may return to your homes, but do not be greedy , therefor mend your relationship with your neighbor (Palestinian state) . Do they maintain and preserve the land of your ancestors for thousands of years, don`t they?
Let us quote the full translation of Quran 2:58 and 2:62
And ( remember) when We said : " Enter ye into the country ( Baitul Maqdis ) , and eat of his produce , which is much more palatable where you like, and enter the gate while prostrate, and say : " Deliver us from sin " , We shall forgive your sins , and later we will add ( giving Us ) to those who do good " .
( Quran 2:58 )
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans, those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve (Quran 2:62).
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I do agree with the part that it doesn't mean three oral divorces but three divorces. But how does that make the fact that a woman has to marry another man, consummate the marriage and after getting divorced, only then she can marry her previous husband? Would any sane man who loves his wife/ex-wife give her over to another man? I mean if she is no longer your wife and you don't love her that's another thing. But a man would only marry his divorced wife if he loves her (or if she wants to use her for other purpose like breeding more Muslims, that's a religious act for Muslim men). And consummation is compulsory. What if the woman doesn't want to get married to another man? Is the rule applicable to men? No. Why? Why is it that in the end it is all about the carnal desires of the Muslim men?
@Abdu
/I think the author is trying his best to hide the real image of Islam/
Oh ye!! will you please enlightened us what is the reality and image of Islam
GUYS. I think the author is trying his best to hide the real image of Islam. now I think that a religion that makes author take this effort to collect false facts is worth looking into, it won't harm you. look at it by yourself and make the judgment yourself. don't let anyone tell you what is good or bad for you as the author is trying to do. as you can see guys how low these people go in there claims, it only reflects their thoughts. if Islam wasn't the just religion, the educational, the core of civilization, look at the start of Islam in 700 AD and look 500 years after that, you can see that Islam build civilizations, knowledge, medicine. if you don't believe look at by your self but everyone reading this post. TRY YOUR BEST NOT TO READ FROM BIASED PEOPLE like this author. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN FROM CHRISTIANITY WHO WROTE THEIR TRUE OPINIONS ABOUT ISLAM.
I do't know guys where you got all these ideas about Islam, I've never heard that criticism is divorce. becareful guys in what you say. every person dies then he will meet God. Allah is the same God who sent Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. whether we call him Allah or you call him other names. stay away from insulting God. you never existed without him, and you will return to him.
the most important thing, why do you live on insulting others, read about Islam from its books, never read books that who wrote them had the bad intent to make a bad image about Islam.
Armaan, such indecency is stupid to you because you are rational. The muhammaan considers that practice to be divine because their god decreed it. Their imams capitalize on this by urging couples to divorce so that the women can give them free sex before reuniting with their husbands. Sex is so central to muhammadanism that each muslim is obsessed with it. It will be endless in their paradise and formed one of the three cardinal raison d'etre of their pedophile prophet. You should not expect anything different from those who think that he set the best example for them.
Your the stupid guy zitouni…The lady might not be his wife…but why does she HAVE to go sleep with another man if she WANTS to get back with her just divorced husband?? Say you and your wife divorce…and then u both want to get back togethr the very next instant, are you ok with the fact that she has to sleep with some other man just to be able to do that? How stupid is that??
i am born a hindu..but when i read the manusmriti' i knew it was wrong…the manusmriti is a stupid thing. But i have the guts to say something is wrong even if its part of my religion. If my religion tells me to beat my wife and use her like an object for just sexual satisfaction, i will not defend it. I will openly shun it. My religion gives me the right to choose what i want to believe. I dont have to be scared and follow anything blindly. You should try that too.
to be honest i dont think this site has tried to incite hatred against the people of islam…just against the prophet…in my opinion atleast i think he is trying to save you…
Kaafirs are worse than animals according to Koran. I do not know why he created the Animals if they are very worse.I should commend allah for one thing, he has given Kaafirs a better brain than what he has given to muslims. How can one explain the fact that most major scientific inventions were done by kaafirs and not muslims .Comparison between man & other living species was done by Koran itself by stating kaafirs are worse than Animals.
I think its actually good to have people like him challenging Muslims to understand the Quran better, but unfortunately people like this guy have a tendency to get emotional and end up making things up and give misleading information. He just over did it. If anyone actually looks up his first argument for example they'll see the verse doesn't actually say anything about plant and animals, it says only names, it is the BIBLE that claims God taught Adam names of animals. Shia muslims believe this means names of prophets and other great people that are to emerge from his line. This is very sound, sane and rational. If anyone is really interested in learning about Islam, this article at least is a waste of their time.
Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
Tabari VIII:187"The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."
Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."
Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes – and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you – submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting – previously married or virgins."
@ Ali, the good old Mo is at it agaian:
Tabari VIII:117"Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead."
Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Bukhari:V5B59N524"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Tabari VIII:110"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515"Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."
Ishaq:517"When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."
Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If…any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."
@Ali – the Good old Mo in action:
Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
Tabari VIII:187"The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."
Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."
Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes – and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you – submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting – previously married or virgins."
Tabari VIII:117"Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead." Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Bukhari:V5B59N524"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Tabari VIII:110"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515"Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."
Ishaq:517"When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."
Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If…any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."
Islam is the most peaceful religion. Take a look at these:
Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Dr Ali Sina just did not have enough time to add these, after all Islam is the most peaceful religion:
Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Islam is the most peaceful religion, just take a look at these:
Qur'an:9:88"The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112"The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325"Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324"He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300"I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65"O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Islam is the most rational and logical, check this out:
Bukhari:V7B71N643"I heard the Prophet saying, 'If anyone of you dreams something he dislikes, when you get up, blow thrice on your left.'"
Bukhari:V9B87N115"If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you."
Bukhari:V6B60N373"The Prophet explained, 'Paradise and Hell argued…. Allah said to the Hell Fire, "You are my (means of) punishment by which I torment whoever I wish of my slaves. You will have your fill. As for the Fire, it will not be filled until I put My Foot over it.'"
Bukhari:V7B71N590"The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."
Bukhari:V7B71N592"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.'"
Bukhari:V7B71N673"Allah's Apostle said, 'If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"
Qur'an 49:12"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"
Allah the wise guy !
Bukhari:V7B71N643"I heard the Prophet saying, 'If anyone of you dreams something he dislikes, when you get up, blow thrice on your left.'"
Bukhari:V9B87N115"If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you."
Bukhari:V6B60N373"The Prophet explained, 'Paradise and Hell argued…. Allah said to the Hell Fire, "You are my (means of) punishment by which I torment whoever I wish of my slaves. You will have your fill. As for the Fire, it will not be filled until I put My Foot over it.'"
Bukhari:V7B71N590"The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."
Bukhari:V7B71N592"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.'"
Bukhari:V7B71N673"Allah's Apostle said, 'If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"
Qur'an 49:12"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"
Allah the wise go?
Qur'an 79:1"I swear by those (angels) who violently tear out (the souls), and drag them forth to destruction, by those who gently take out, by those meteors rushing by, swimming along (angels or planets), and by those who press forward as in a race (the angels, or stars, or horses [the translators added, clueless as to what "god" was trying to say]), and by those who regulate the affair."
Bukhari:V7B71N665"The Prophet said, 'No contagious disease is conveyed without Allah's permission.'" Bukhari:V4B54N484 "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Fever is from the heat of the Hell Fire.'"
Bukhari:V8B77N616"Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture which Allah sends upon whom-so-ever He wishes.'"
Qur'an 38:17"We endued Our slave David with power. It was We who subdued the hills to sing Our praises with him at nightfall. And the birds were assembled, all obedient to him."
Qur'an 89:6"Saw you not how your Lord dealt with [the mythical] Ad, possessors of lofty buildings, the likes of which were not produced in all the land?"
Qur'an 91:11"Thamud rejected (their prophet) through inordinate wrong-doing. Behold, the most-wicked wretch among them broke forth but the Messenger said: 'Be cautious. It is a She-camel of Allah! And bar her not from having her drink!' But they rejected him as a false prophet and hamstrung her. So Allah on account of their crime, obliterated their traces, doomed them, desolated their dwellings, leveling them to the ground for their sin."
Qur'an 78:37"The Lord with Whom they cannot dare to speak, none can converse with Him, none are able to address Him."
Qur'an 86:13"Lo this (Qur'an) is a conclusive Word; it is not a thing for amusement. It is no pleasantry. And it is no joke."
thats exactly what we say – you need to be of rational mind , of come whatever even to the possiblitiy of rejecting some verses in the name of rationality. you cant believe a poison(eg cyanide) to be elixir – just because it is in the quaran.
sanatan dharma – or infact any dharmic spirituality – which is eternal and doesnt bother which god or representation you beleive in – you can even be an atheist questioning all its principles – its ditto evolution and scientific theory and metaphysics
Scientifically speaking God has nothing to do with "religions".Read all the religious books available particularly Hinduism – Sri Ramakrishna Paramshamsa,Swami Vivekananda,Bhagawad Gita etc
taking them as guiding torch he live a life morally sound.Hinduism says – Satyam-truth and dharma-justice alone is important other items in religion are paraphernalia. Science is non-personnel.similarly relgion must be
As i said .. . . Sina simply pretended that later his book talks about this. The thing is he copied this from answering-islam site without understanding.
There is one singular report from a book called Bada wal Tarikh – which mentions from Qatadah that Prophet Muhammad had a son called Abdul Menaf before advent of Islam. Hence making the total number of sons to three.
"Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name. "
Wrong – this is title given to Abdullah.
More here soon:
http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/
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"Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do. "
His research is poor- he has simply copied material from answering-islam and other websites. Here he makes the idiotic mistake.
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I should be given 50,000 for pointing all these out!
This is copied and plagiarized from Wikipedia:
"Traditions that are diffusely recurrent are called mutawattir. These traditions have come down to later generations through a large number of chains of narrations, involving diverse transmitters. It is virtually impossible that all these people, living in different localities and espousing (at times radically) different views, would come together, to fabricate the exact same lie and attribute it to their prophet."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%27tazila#Validity…
The Quran says, “Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals.” And then the angels tested him to makesure he has remembered them.(Q.2:31)
Do you really could read Ali Sina? the above verse, Allah describes the names of the objects only to Adam, and the paragraph above in no way saying that is taught is Man, that knowledge can only adam, not the son adam! if adam will give everything he knew to his son? maybe not right! whether a father will tell his sons what he knows any? if you have a child who is 5 years old, if you will give him all the names of things? The verse above is very reasonable!
You can kill more christians like in orissa and have peace.
8:22 Lo! the worst of beasts in
Allah's sight are the deaf, the
dumb, who have no sense. (8:22) "The worst of beasts
in Allah's sight are the deaf, the
dumb, who have no sense [the
non-muslims]." 8:23 Had Allah known of any
good in them He would have
made them hear, but had He
made them hear they would have
turned away, averse.
Then what are the Deaf and Dumb doing in Islam?
zitouni u are sick in d head go and examined urself very well
YEP ,YOU SAY A LOT ALI(en). BUT…NOTHING WORTHWHILE ! Nothing, nada .
Only evil CRAP !
NEXT !!! LOL
Then why the hell are you commenting here. Get lost and mind your own f****n business.
was jesus married to mary magdalene ?The New Testament contains no explicit answer to the question of Jesus’ marital state. It never mentions his wife, nor that he was unmarried. In fact, whenever the New Testament gospels refer to Jesus’ natural relatives, they speak only of his father, mother, and siblings, but never of a wife.
Although almost all scholars of all religious persuasions take this as strong evidence of the singleness of Jesus, a few have proposed that, in fact, Jesus was married. In 1970, for example, William E. Phipps published Was Jesus Married? The Distortion of Sexuality in the Christian Tradition. In this book Phipps argued that the silence of the New Testament about the marital status of Jesus indicates that Jesus was in fact married. Why? Because virtually every Jewish man in Jesus’ day did marry, especially those who were considered to be Rabbis.
To Anburaj .
I don't trust any muslim, and I never will.
A muslim is a person who believes in Allah, the evil fake Prophet Mohammed , the evil Quran and the even still more evil sunna. This says it all ! Read it and you know why!
Muslims smile in your (kafir) face but curse you inwardly.!!!
There just ONE solution : ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED ! AND IT WILL BE DESTROYED …WITH ONLY THE TRUTH !!
You are a backward suprstitious MORON ,ABU ……HAM.
Prove first that your Allah exist , you retarded inbred muslim.
http://www.new age islam contains reasonable good articles. Best articles may be published
remove this photo, this is bad , or allah will Tortures you………..
@Ali – Before you get all worked up, here is something to chew on!
Religion in 99.99% cases is not something one selects or has a choice (roughly there are only 0.01 % converts). It is very much like one cannot choose parents. It is certainly not something we learn based on logic & reasoning, it is forced upon us by our parents (or guardians). As infants, we have no say in it. By the time one is old enough to realize what one's religion is all about, it is too late – our minds are already 'programmed' and we have already developed a bias for that religion in which we are born. From there on, 'the programmed' brain considers all other religions as wrong and inferior. That is the power of that bias. It is sometimes engraved in our brains and it is not easy (almost impossible) for it to be rectified – it all depends on the intensity of the programming. No I am not a programmer 🙂
Be honest and think about this – If you were born in a Hindu or Christian or Jewish family, chances are extremely high (99.99%) that you would have followed one of these and not Islam. your religion is based on faith, & not logic – When it comes to religion, it is almost impossible to applying logic & be fair (with yourself), why? Because of the superiority bias you develop for your religion/faith – the bias is more powerful & will prevent you to be have an open mind.
If you have an open mind (with no bias) you will be amazed with the questions that will go through your mind – the entire thought process changes (research neuron connections & thought process). The existence of a super power the way religions describe with the concept of an 'ALL knowing' super power (call it anything you like – Allah, God, Ram ….) it does not make any sense for that super power to even create humans (or even the entire universe) & then test them so they can go to heaven or hell, really! If you cannot see what is wrong with this concept it is only because your bias is preventing you to think straight. I challenge you to think and then understand why it does not make any sense for an 'ALL knowing' to create all this. Today science does not have ALL the answers (& it never will have ALL the answers) but we can say it with certainty that the concept of religions (& I mean ALL religions) does not make any sense & as such they are all false.
For now watch this video and see how human brain works in trying to make sense of this chaotic world. Enjoy!
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I replied the following to your next post as well!
The kind that is called 'fact' – sorry, you should have not challenged US! I am now forced to expose your version of Islam (I know you think yours is the & should be the ONLY version).
Why was Rashad Khalifa killed by 'main stream' Muslims?
(Your website – http://submission.org/#/d/miracle.html)
May be because a) he called himself a messenger of God b) he had to change two instances in Quran in order to make his miracle 19 fit – for which he claims (with his prove) that Quran was changed and God sent him (after Mohammed) to correct it – Rashad's Followers claim – Rashad is even mentioned in Quran (indirectly of course!). Certainly all this was (& still is) hard to swallow for the main stream Muslims – as such Rashad had to go – he was killed.
Having said that – If you are following 'The Final Testament' – in my eyes your are OK! Rashad was an educated person (ph.D.). He tried his best (even gave his life) to fix the flaws in traditional Quran/Islam by – changing the translation (milder tone, which you use in your arguments), teaching peace (concentrating on peaceful verses revealed in Mekkah), ignoring violence (verses revealed in Madina), removing Hijab, attempting to show equal rights for women – in short Rashad was a true 'moderate/modern' Muslim. Unfortunately some of the things he did (but he had no bad intentions) – did not go too well with the main stream Muslims. He threw aside all Hadith's, because some of the Hadith do make Mohammed (& Islam) look bad & some of the Hadith did not fit his (revised) model of Islam. He wanted a reformed, respectful & peaceful Islam. I say if you guys (Rashad's followers) can even convert 25% of the main stream muslims to your version, this world will change – go for it!
You are doing good in attempting to reform 'other traditional Muslims', but for crying out loud, what on earth are you doing here on this site – You need to go on the web sites that belong to main stream Muslims. Why on earth would you try to defend Islam here. The Muslims we argue with are the traditional main stream Muslims – they will kill you before us!
Peace Brother!
Religion in 99.99% cases is not something one selects or has a choice. It is very much like one cannot choose parents. It is not something we learn based on logic, it is forced upon us by our parents (or guardians). As infants, we have no say in it. By the time one is old enough to realize what one's religion is all about, it is too late – our minds are already 'programmed' and we have developed a bias for that religion in which we are born. From there on, all other religions will be marked as wrong and inferior in our minds. That is the power of that bias, that sometimes get engraved in our brains and it is not easy (almost impossible) to be rectified – depending on the intensity of the programming. (No I am not a programmer javascript:void(0); )
Be honest and think – If you were born in a Hindu or Christian or Jewish family, chances are extremely high (99.99%) that you would have followed one of these and not Islam. your religion is based on faith, & not logic – It is almost impossible to applying logic & be fair, why? Because of the (superiority) bias one develops for his/her religion, even if one attempts to apply any reasoning/logic it will not be fair and accurate – the bias is more powerful.
I have read your comments about women's equal rights in Islam & unfortunately your bias is preventing you to see facts and realize what equal really means. Equality also means, if there are any conditions on one side there should same conditions on the other. You acknowledge that men and women should be equal in life and you then try to look for the same in your religion (faith) – and that is fair and logical. However, your attempt to prove that equality in terms of rights for men and women really exists in Islam/Quran fails, and your bias prevents you to see that what you presented as 'equal 's not equal at all. Let me 'try' and explain what I mean.
But before I get to the rights I want comment on your different Quranic translations – If one can translate the same Quranic verses from Arabic (& I am not talking about interpretation, merely direct translation) & produce many different meaning/translation in other languages, then this fact by itself is a very big flaw – Quran is supposed to be a guide. Today human beings write User Guides for appliances that are then translated in many languages & sold all over the world. For example – a User Guide for TV. No matter where the TV is sold & as such what language the guide is read in, the TV is operated in the same way because the translation from original language to all other languages are accurate there is no ambiguity at all. Yet with Quran, which is such an important book & it is written by the creator of this entire world, it can be translated (again not interpreted) differently. How am I to know with 100% certainty which translation is correct! For that matter, even if I know Arabic, I read a verse & it can have more than one meaning – I am doomed!
Now coming back to equality for women. If men are permitted to do something based on conditions then women should be equally allowed to the same thins with the same conditions. Only then it is is equality. Not when you have to say 'but men have to follow very strict conditions before they can do that …" There should similar verses in Quran with similar conditions for both sexes, men and women. And we know that is not the case, you have said it your self – men are allowed (for example – multiple wives, beating the wife…) only on certain conditions. To that I say, there should have been verses with conditions that also allow women to …(multiple husbands, beat the husband)!
I have no problems with any religion as long as the follower does not claim that his/her religion is truly based on logic. That is not true. No religion is based on logic, they are all based on faith, & faith which was imposed.
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"I was talking to Ali , Amin. (see: no caps and no "!!!"and no swearing) Are you happy now?"
Why, Thank you.
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"just a simple woman"
I don't somehow believe that you are a woman.
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"And English is not my first language as I told you before "
Then what is it? Just out of interest.
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"against whom you muslims must fight(qital) till the last day . "
I have pointed out twice – there is no such word as "qital"
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"But most of all : What about calling us disblievers "fuel for hell", "vilest of creatures","swines""and "monkeys"who must be subdued and humilited"
As I have previously pointed out – what you claim . . . and what the Quranic verses actually say – tend to be different.
As does their meaning, context, scope, veracity and etc.
So when you are speaking about the Quran – then why don't you . . . give the exact verse number and quote – so we know what you are talking about.
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Any perceived insult you feel from the Quran – I am not responsible for. Swearing at it – and swearing at me are 2 different things.
You can do both . . . it is NOT my site – and not my job to moderate.
But if you wish to SPEAK to me . . . and EXPECT an answer . . . then the least you can do is speak to me civilly.
Now is that too much to ask?
It is quite simple – no sane person will talk to someone if all the other person does is abuses them? Will they?
I was talking to Ali , Amin. (see: no caps and no "!!!"and no swearing) Are you happy now? Sorry for my poor English , I do the best I can . I'm no high and mighty muslimscholar, just a simple woman with some burning(huh,huh) questions about Islam .And English is not my first language as I told you before . But it is good enough for you to understand me … is it not 😉 ?. I even got some some nice compliments of readers.
But now about Ali : This muslim was the best in swearing . I have to admit that. He came with words which I nver saw before , such as "dungsniffer","dikslurper"..and so on. What about that,Amin?
But most of all : What about calling us disblievers "fuel for hell", "vilest of creatures","swines""and "monkeys"who must be subdued and humilited , against whom you muslims must fight(qital) till the last day . That's all in your Quran ! So, what about thát?
Troll – bad English, caps, these: "!!! " – and likes to swear and insult. Isn't happy unless you lower to that level.
Here is the repetitive stupidity . . . In translations of language to another often extra word have to be added – for understanding. However that does not mean that those word are extra by the author and not already implied.
For example Arabic does not have anything equaling to the Arabic "is".
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The stupidity? How can someone have "views" about a language that they do not understand?
Hi,ALI.
"And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience. "
YOU MEAN JINNS, FLYING DONKEY, TALKING MOUNTAINS,TREES AND ANTS, …SUN SETTING IN MURKY WATER ???? PROSTRATING AND KISSING A BLACK STONE ???
YEP…THAT IS VERY RATIONAL !!! AND APPEALING TO HUMAN REASON AND CONSCIENCE !! …ISLAMIC CONSCIENCE ??? HAHAHAHAHAA
COME WITH YOUR CHILDISH SWEARING ,I DON'T MIND AT ALL….IT IS EVEN FUNNY ! TO THE FACTS I GIVE YOU WILL CERTAINLY NOT REACT !!!
I can go on and on with silly nonsense
i KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE IT ALI !
BUT ISLAM WILL TUMBLE DOWN ! IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING NOW !!
GET OVER IT ! YOU WIL FEEL MUCH BETTER ! FREEDOM FOR A SLAVE….WHAT A FEELING !!! 😉
I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND NONSENSE ,AMINRIADH !!! YOU UNDERSTAND EVEN THE NONSENSE OF ISLAM , BEING A MUSLIM SCHOLAR , AND KNOWING CLASIC ARABIC AND ALL !!! WOW ….AMAZING !!
By the way : how do you translate in the classic Quran the words that are not even there ? Yep…there are words missing ,AMIN. YOU GUESS…I ASSUME ! ALLAH DOES NOT LIKE THAT !! ( Think about the many words between brackets in the translations !!)
The above statement are atypical of a troll. You will find them making such statements aplenty.
Usually accentuated: In the above example by using capital letter and additions such as these"!!!"
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However such statements are pretty meaningless – one can come up with such empty rhetoric all day long . . . laced with insult of one sort or another.
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Is it worth to – hound a hound?
This troll has two question . . . and repeats them. When answered – will still repeat them.
It absolutely doesn't matter – what is said. . . . the troll will simply ignore all that. Claim its two bits as a mighty weapon . . . and proceed to repeat.
OH. YES .WE CAN !!! AND WE ARE GOING TO !!!
THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL BRAINWASHED MUSLIM !!!
A troll will not answer seriously – to anything. But will make what the troll imagines are witty comments.
As I said . . . a troll will repeat and repeat – one thing over and over . . .
Someone pointed out this trolls words . . . . Sina mistook them as that persons. Hence he threatened him with a ban.
Yet this persons comment were just on top . . . and Sina says he did not read them.
Oh the hypocrisy . . . from the site author onwards.
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Allegedly Sina – once banned this troll.
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Obviously he didn't.
NO ANSWER OF ALI …..OF COURSE !!! BWAAAAHAAAA !!
THE PRE-ISLAMIC IDOL,THE BLACK STONE !! DID ABRAHAM ALSO WORSHIP THIS …ER THING ??AND DO THE JEWS STILL THE SAME ??? MAN….ARE YOU BRAINWASHED !!!
The very definition of trollish behavior . . . will go around with one little bit – and despite all evidence – will brandish the stick.
It doesn't matter what is said to a troll. It will resort to type – by repeating over and over . . . with personal insults and supposed smart-alec comments. . . which the troll imagines are "witty".
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Hence why say anything at all?
How so? What that is it? Come on Raj – I know you don't make sense generally. But surely even you can venture more than that!
WHERE DID I SHY AWAY ,TROLL AMINRIADH ?? WHERE !!! POINT IT OUT ! 😉 I really don't knowwhat you mean here .
YOU ARE THE COWARDOUS RUNNER HERE,AMIN !!
By the way ,WHAT ABOUT MY ALIF,LAM MEEM -QUESTION AND THE BLACK STONE IDOL-QUESTION ???
YOU can take your time , but please NOT UNTILL THE LAST DAY ! HHHAAAAAA !!
People who are OBVIOUSLY biased towards a point of view – will claim such things.
Discussions or no discussions . . . it is obvious they already had such set position.
Then claiming an excuse . . . you know its a lie.
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It is quite beguiling that people who cannot read a word of Arabic – will attempt to venture views on its clarity or lack there of.
O.K. WHY THEN NOT SOME SILLY MEANINGLESS LETTERS AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY CAPTER ?
THERE ARE ALREADY SURAH NAMES (ALSO MEANINGLESS !), There is no need for TWO reminders !! HAHAHAHA!!!
By the way did Allah himself give you this ex[planation? I can not find it anywhere !! 😉
But devastating for you by saying that"We cannot ascribe any particular meaning to these letters" is: YOU cal Allah a LIAR ,because Allah says that his Quran is easy to understand and EXPLAINED IN DETAIL ! 😉 😉
Wow! That is not even an Insult . . . you can do better!
STILL NOT ONE SINGLE CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER TO MY ALIF,LAM,MEEM-QUESTION !!
WOW ….MAN!!
Islamic science ….and very USEFULL indeed !!
Allah and Mohammed deserve the NOBL-PRIZE for this!
Finally a nobel prize for muslims !!! HAHAHAHAHbwAAAAAA!
To Aminriadh.
"No they don't – the word مكر has several meanings – for example good planning – or war planning. "
It is claer by now, after reading your discussion with Dragost 7, that your Quran is not clear and not explained in detail ! HUH ,HUH !!
Listen AMIN , If a real almighty God says that his book is clear and explained IN DETAIL THEN THÁT IS THE TRUTH!!
Hence -YOUR ALLAH LIED – And I have successfully exposed that. (paraphrase!, funny hey?) 😉
CAN YOU SHOW US SOME JINNS ,ALI ???
HAHAHA…BWAHAHA …
SUPERSTITIOUS MUSLIM ( biggest insult)
People come to temptations – hence I have directly – or indirectly proven nothing . . . because NOT all priests are accused of – or do touch boys.
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However – sex is such a basic instinct that if starved – the weaker will do some pretty horrible things.
You have turned this into a ridiculous argument.
Indirectly, you have just proven that celibacy is not what makes men have sex with men or younger boys or even commit adultery with women.
The first life you answered is similar to the priest's where the person's mind have control over his body to achieve a greater goal that he himself chose.
The second life is enforced on the person, yet he remained celibate. " I don't think I fancy men at all. " backup the argument that such a person prefers to remain celibate over sleeping with men.
If our bodies were supposed to rule over our minds, God would have created us just like the rest of the animals.
Personally – remain celibate – or try my best.
2. Remain celibate – definitely – I don't think I fancy men at all.
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However – in prison even Hetro men do have sex with other men
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Your questions are fairly ridiculous . . . what is the point of them?
“outer locus of control” argument?
Are you willing to challenge your mind? I have 2 lives for you to impersonate. Answer honestly to each:
1- You are a young Muslim studying abroad. Your parents back home sold everything so you can become a doctor. The study requires 8-9 years, you are barely succeeding and any distraction or burden may lead to your failure. You can't afford to get married. You can't afford to visit home. You are surrounded only by infidel women who are willing to have sex without commitment.
Will you have sex or will you remain celibate?
2-You are imprisoned for life. The prison is super deluxe located in Europe. You don't have access to women but you have access to gym, library, TV, music. you can even study to get a degree while you are in prison. This degree qualifies you to teach a class of young boys (convicts). Will you have sex with young boys and men or will you remain celibate?
TO ALL MUSLIMS.
OH, "CHOSEN ONES"…OH "BEST OF CREATION".
WHY IS THE PAGAN IDOL IN YOUR KAABA ?? You bow down every day 5 times to this IDOL WHEN YOU ARE PRAYING .AND YOU KISS IT !!!
THAT IS SHIRK …THE BIGGEST SIN POSSIBLE ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN !
IT WAS A PAGAN IDOL BEFORE MOHAMMED LIVED. AND IT STILL IS THERE….THE SAME STONE IDOL.
YOUR FAKE PROPHET BOWED DOWN,PRAYED AMD KISSED IT LIKE THE OTHER PAGANS . HE WAS A PAGAN YOU TILL HE WAS 40 YEARS OLD….YOU KNOW THAT. MOHAMMED DESTROYED ALL THE IDOLS EXCEPT THIS BLACK STONE IDOL !!!
SO..AGAIN ..WHY ???
It is amazing – how quickly this troll – shied away from answering about her/his nasty and foul comments. Might I be bold to provide a good tagline for this site.
Alisina.org – credence for trolls
@ AMINRIADH
I AM STILL WAITNG FOR ONE,CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER TO MY "ALIF,LAM,MEEM"-QUESTION. !
HMMM…An answer of the"BEST OF CREATION "…YEAH…RIGHT. 😉
@ ALI.
ENOUGH OF ALL THIS QUASI-INTELLIGENT NUMBER NONSENSE!!!
WHAT WE ALL CAN READ IN YOUR QURAN ARE SURAHS with some STRANGE LETTERS LIKE SURAH 2:1 which says: ALIF,LAM,MEEM .
GIVE US ONE SINGLE, CLEAR AND LOGICAL ANSWER . BECAUSE YOUR ALLAH SAYS THAT HIS QURAN IS
WITHOUT DOUBT ,EASY TO UNDERSTAND and EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !
Take your time, HUH,HUH
Allah says that his Quran is without DOUBT,
@ Ali(en)
I read your stupid (sorry) post right now !
"Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?"
THIS MEANS : THEY ARE SMARTER LIARS !!! 😉
AND REMEMBER: A REAL ALMIGHTY AND ALLKNOWING GOD HAS NO NEED TO FOOL HIS CREATIONS , HE IS ALWAYS SMARTER BUT CERTAINLY NO LIAR . THE DEVIL IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES !! Assuming, for the sake of argument, that all these ENTITIES exist, OF COURSE !!!!! 😉
The society Islam seeks to build is around nuclear family – sex outside it leads to break down of Nuclear family.
Also Islam recommends marriage – straight off from puberty. Unless there is valid reason not to.
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"As I recall, some Muslim sects also require for a man to be married in order to have sex."
[Virtually] all sects – and men and women.
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"priests are not allowed to sleep around because they are required to release themselves from being "slaves of the flesh". "
We are NOT talking about sleeping around – but marriage.
Also – things like smoking and drinking are not – basic natural and instinctive. Unlike sex.
"Jesus Christ was NOT celibate."and then you argue "that he PROBABLY did have a wife".
Very poor logic…even VERY BAD LOGIC !
I am sure you know that …HEY AMINRIADH ??? 😉
Still pondering about the ALIF,LAM,MEEM-QUESTION ???
I hope you will answer it soon !! 😉
Caused by celibacy.
Problems and long sufferings are not linked to celibacy.
These are linked to the human mind.
What has the above spiel got to do with anything? Forced celibacy of priests leads to problems – end of.
You choose to elongate – when there is no need.
Why Muslimahs are required to remain virgins till they get married?
Why they are required to be celibate when they are not married?
As I recall, some Muslim sects also require for a man to be married in order to have sex. Therefore, he has to be celibate when he's not married.
Christians, men and women are committing adultery when they have sex outside marriage. Therefore, they are also required to remain celibate till they get married. Some don't get married, therefore remain celibate all their lives.
Why all these requirements?
Why don't we all have sex whenever we want to and with whoever we want to?
Will this solve everything?
We all have needs, our ability to control those needs is what separate us from animals.
Just like athletes are not allowed to smoke or drink alcohol so they can do their Jobs in a better way, priests are not allowed to sleep around because they are required to release themselves from being "slaves of the flesh".
If a priest falls in Love (there is nothing wrong with that), he can leave priesthood and get married. It's that simple.
To some it is not suffering, that's something a lot of people fail to see.
I met a Franciscan priest in the US. He's 30 now. In his twenties, he was a very wealthy computer programmer. He had everything, All the women he wants and he was a player. Cars, Yachts, mansions….
He left everything, gave his money away and took a vow of poverty and celibacy.
He's now happier and in peace more than he ever was.
That's a man who experienced everything, from sex to money,clubs, alcohol…..
He had everything yet felt empty. He was in a long suffering but now he's free and Happy.
My point is, we all have a different path to take. My path could be hell to you but a paradise to me. At the end, all that matters is how to take the responsibility of our choices, the good we do and the peace and love that we provide to ourselves and the people around us.
People want to become priests . . . but at that time they are NOT aware of the long suffering.
Hence your gymnastics with this one . . . but as often pointed out – why is there need for the priests to be celibate – in the 1st place.
In this case – it is a credible excuse. But the end behaviour isn't.
People often search for anything to blame except themselves don't you think?
Doesn't a pilot have to fly a plane?
If the person can't handle flying a plane then why he chose to become a pilot?
people are not forced to become priests, it's a choice they make. And after they make it, the church put them in a lot of studying, questioning and soul searching to make sure that they thought it all the way through.
And for the record, there are a lot of great priests.
Yes – but their reasoning are far different. Also – its the systematic abuse and the extent. Also why do many in the end blame Celibacy?
The point is Christianity (some sects) enforce Celibacy on its priests – which is unjustifiable.
"This celibacy leads to priests touching up boys – hence it doesn't work. "
Gym teachers, teachers, workers, scientists, cops, criminals. Mullahs, Fathers, teenagers, muslims, christians, atheists….. All touched boys.
Hence humanity (or at least manhood) doesn't work. I rest my case 😉
Dr Sina, you above all know the power of mind over body. You are a vegetarian not because you are following an instinct.
Not all humans are the same, we all know that. Celibacy is not your thing and it's not mine either. But a lot of people choose (not forced into) this lifestyle to accomplish something beyond the physical level and they succeed just like you succeeded in becoming a vegetarian. Others just don't succeed because of a lot of different reasons.
It's a personal choice, the hypocrites and the truthful people exist in every choice.
"Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time. I should have expected that you are no better than your sex-addict prophet. "
Temper, Temper . . . domain of the ignorant – resorting to insults.
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This celibacy leads to priests touching up boys – hence it doesn't work.
Sex is a basic human desire – a powerful and an instinctive desire.
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Jesus Christ was NOT celibate. Just because there are no accounts of his marriage – doesn't mean he didn't have a wife. He probably did.
1.
abstention from sexual relations.
2.
abstention by vow from marriage: the celibacy of priests.
3.
the state of being unmarried.
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Hence you are wrong – at least look at the dictionary . . . there is difference between what is on your mind and reality.
I think you have often have such trouble
"The real problem is the inhumane requirement to be celibate."
Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time. I should have expected that you are no better than your sex-addict prophet.
Celibacy is done by a lot of people since the dawn of humanity. It's not something impossible to do and it's not something that people are forced to do.
not everyone can do bungee jumping. It's "inhumane" to force someone to do it but it's stupid to say it is inhumane all together just because you don't have the guts or the strength to do it.
HEY, "best of creation"ALI(EN) !!
ATHE SPLIT SECOND is not so long !!
ALIF,LAM,MEEM. SIMPLE, LOGICAL EXPLANATION….REMEMBER !!! 😉 😉
COME ON ,OH "CHOSEN ONE ", this can't be difficult for you …..hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!
"Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan? "
GOOD QUESTION! THE UNBRED MORON ALI(EN) STARTS TO THINK !!!
WHO IS ALLAH AND WHO IS SATAN ??? AND WHERE ARE THEY?
BUT THE BURDEM OF PROOF IS ON YOU…STUPID MUSLIM !!!
PROOF THAT THESE "THINGS " EXIST ! LOGICALLY !!!
NO CIRCULAR REASONING AND OTHER FALLACIES ….PLEASE !!!! HAHAHAHA !!!! …man , you muslims are sóóóóó damned silly …one simply has to laugh !!!!
ALI(EN) the "CHOSEN ONE" the sproud SLAVE of Allah boasted some time ago: _" I told you in one split second I will give you the answer on Alif Lam Mim ……"
OH,ALI, "BEST OF CREATION " the split second is over….don't you think so?_But you have still not given ONE, decisive, LOGICAL ANSWER !!!
COME ON , "OH GREAT SCHOLAR"of Islam !!!
THEN WHY KEEPS ALLAH REPEATING IN HIS EVIL BOOK, YOUR QURAN, OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE WILL SEND ALL DISBELIEVERS TO HIS HELL ??THIS IS NO MAKING UP !!!
WAS ONE TIME NOT ENOUGH ! ???
HE IS CLEARLY MAKING YOU SUPERSTITIOUS FOOLS AFRAID !!
BHAGAWANDAS IS OF COURSE RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS:
"Irrational fear is the weapon of Allah ( =SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD)"!!! AND YOU KNOW IT AMINRIADH !!
STILL NO ANSWER !!!
OF THIS MUSLIM SLAVE !!!
Alif, Lam, Meem.
This is the Book about which there is no doubt,….
ALIF,LAM MEEM ???? NO DOUBT ???
THIS SAYS IT ALL QUR-RAT ! THINK MAN …THINK ABOUT THIS LITTLE SENTENCE !!!
HI, { } = EMPTY SET , 😉
YEAH,RIGHT THE SAME SPOT WHERE YOU AND ALL YOUR EVIL MUSLIM BROTHERS ARE FILED ! THAT CAN NOT BE A COINCIDENCE !!!! HAHAHAHA , WHAT A BACKWARD INBRED CRETIN !!!
TO THE MOHAMMEDAN , MUSLIM (biggest insult there is 😉 )
IN THE CASE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT " MUHABILA " IS, HERE IS A LINK: http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i…
HERE IS AN OTHER SITE , A VERY ISLAMIC ONE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS NO FANTASY" http://www.amaana.org/mubahila/panjtanpaak.htm
OH…YES…ALIF,LAM MEEM !!! TO YOU !!! HAHAHA,HOHOHO,HIHIHI !!
YOU'R A JOKER MAN..LIKE YOU PROPHET ZAKIR NAIK (ALSO CALLED: Achmed The Dead Terrorist ). HAHAHAHAHA !!! (sorry )
O HAVE PROVED THAT YOU DO NOT, CAN NOT,MAY NOT AND AND DARE NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTION , BECAUSE YOUR EVIL BOOK FORBIDS YOU TO THINK AND ASK QUESTIONS….STUPID MUSLIM ( biggest insult possible !) .
AND NOW I GIVE YOU MY HUMILIATING LAUGH AGAIN : BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
YOU HATE THAT ,DON'T YOU ?? HAHAHAHA …BACKWARD MOHAMMEDAN !!!
BY THE WAY : WHO IS ALLAH ??? hohohoho !!!
I'LL CALL YOU MUSLIM ,BECAUSE IT IS THE BIGGEST INSULT ANYONE CAN COME WITH !
BUT I WILL CALL YOU { } TOO , THAT IS THE EMPTY SET ON MATH , BECAUSE THERE IS "NOTHING" BEFORE THE (.) IN YOUR ID, SO YOU ARE EMPTY !! EVEN LESS THEN A POINT !!!! YOU ADMIT IT YOURSELF HERE !!! BWAHAHAAAHAHAHA !
ALIF,LAM,MEEM, QAF, SAD, NUN…ETC. !!!! hohohoho
MUHABILA !!!! hihihihi
Did you noticed (.) point in your ID? Point is by default with every ID lol. In fact you are not intelligent enough to know my ID.
Forget ID Call me a MUSLIM !
TO THE MUSLIM ( .) ( point !) .
YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE RIGHT ID FOR YOURSELF, NAMELY A (.) POINT !! THAT MEANS : YOU ARE ALLMOST NOTHING !!! A GOOD AND FUNNY NAME ! AND BECAUSE YOU ARE FUNNY I START LAUGHING AGAIN !!! YOU ARE THE BEST POINT THAT ALLAH HAS CREATED !!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
I LIKE IT VERY MUCH TO DEE THESE BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS GETTING ANGRY ! BECAUSE IT PERHAPS MAKE THEM THINK !!!
YES, IT WOULD EVEN BE STILL MUCH BETTER IF THESE BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS STARTED THINKING ABOUT THEIR EVIL CULT !!
lol Closer to Schizo ! OK What you have proved with proof ?
I advice you should start crying coz laughing can't manage your stress effectively and relieve you from tremendous depression!
Call me a MUSLIM hundreds of time may Allah bless you for this!
HEY,POINTHEADED MUSLIM ( biggest insult i can come with 😉 ) !!
YOU GIVE NO ANSWERS !!! YOU NEVER DO !!! BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPID …AND BECAUSE YOU DARE AND MAY NOT !!
PROOF: SURAH 5:101 says :
"O you who believe, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing."
DO YOU SEE IT,BACKWARD MOHAMMEDAN?? WE COME WITH PROOFS, ….YOU COME WITH….NOTHING !!!!
YOU MUSLIMS ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD ! SO WHAT YOU GET IS THIS:
BWWAAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA (I know this is painful for you narcistic slaves if a fake god ) !!
Symptoms are confusing is this Schizo or Bipolar? Stress management part is OK but instead of laughing crying will ease stress more effectively !
HI, ALIEN…SORRY ALI THE MUSLIM (biggest insult i can come with 😉 )!!
YOU SAID TO ME :
"Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?"
WELL, STUPID MOHAMMEDAN SLAVE, YOU BELIEVE THAT ALLAH AND SATAN EXIST EXIST ! SO YOUR QUESTION TO ME IS SURELY A BLINDER ! BECAUSE ARE THE BELIEVER…. YOU KNOW THE ANSWER ( YOU THINK). SO TELL ME (US) THE ANSWER !!!
YOU CAN,OF COURSE, NOT COME WITH: "IT IS IN THE QURAN", BECAUSE THIS WAS WRITTEN (ACCORDING TO YOU ) BY ALLAH AND MOHAMMED !! AND THEN YOU ARE ILLOGICAL ( A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW 😉 ). SO YOU MUST COME WOTH SOMETHING ELSE !!
DO THE BEST YOU CAN !!!!! BWAHAHAHOHOHOHOHOOOO …..MAN YOUR FUNNY !!!!
@ MOHAMMEDAN ALI(EN).
THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU ARE VERY SIMPLE , SO EVEN YOU (AND AMIN-RAT TOO) CAN UNDERSTAND THEM , HAHAHAHAHA !!!
1) WHO WROTE THE AYA-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
2) WHO WROTE THE SURAH-NUMBERS IN YOUR QURAN ! ???
IT WAS NOT MOHAMMED (=ALLAH) ,THAT'S FOR SURE !! 😉
SO WHO CORRUPTED YOUR EVIL BOOK ???
STILL THINKING ABOUT IT, ALI??? RAT ???
ALL READERS ARE WAITNG FOR YOUR SCHOLARLY ANSWER !!!!!! BWAAAAAHAAAAHAHAHA !!!! DON'T BE OFFENDED MAN…. TRY TO THINK …FOR ONCE !!!
THERE MUST BE SOME BACKWARD ANSWER ….SOME BACKWARD MUSLIM (biggest insult there is 😉 ) MUST HAVE CONCOCTED SOME SILLY EXCUSE ( LIE !! ). SEE YA 😉
I HAVE AN OTHER QUESTION FOR THE MUSLIMS !!!
ESPECIALLY FOR THE "SCHOLARS" ( ALIEN AND RAT ).
THE SURAHS IN THE QURAN ARE NOT WRITTEN CHRONOLOGICALLY ! I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS .
QUESTION:
1) DID MOHAMMED (ALLAH) NAME THESE NUMBERS ? REMEMBER: for example surah 9 was one the last surahs, so its number should have been 114 or 113 …!
2) IF NOT….WHO WROTE THESE NUMBERS IN THE QURAN.? I.E. WHO HAS BEEN CORRUPTING THE QURAN IN THIS WAY ???
BONUS QUESTION :
WHEN DID MOHAMMED (ALLAH?) GIVE THE SURAH-NAMES AS MENTIONNED IN YOUR "UNCHANGEABLE "QURAN ?
GIVE PROOFS FROM THE AHADITH AND THE SIRAT …IF YOU CAN !!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
AGAIN A BIG JOKE FOR YOU, ALI(EN) !!
To ALI, THE ALIEN.
IT IS EASY TO GIVE YOU THE BIGGEST JOKE….EVER :
JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU BELIEVE IN? IT IS YOU WHO LIVES IN A NON-EXISTING WORLD OF INVISIBLE AND INPROVABLE BEINGS LIKE ALLAH, SATAN,ANGELS, JINNS, BURAQ (the flying donkey) ,talking mountains, talking trees, talking ants, talking rocks, punishment of the grave, MUHABILA etc.etc. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ABSTRACT AND LOGICAL THINKING IS, ALI ! THAT'S ALL !!!!
I AM SORRY TO SAY, BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED MOHAMMEDAN (insult !) . SO GET OVER IT ,PEACEFULL MUSLIM ( biggest insult). 🙂 😉
To ALIEN THE BRAINWASHED MUSLIM !
Ali,Ali,Ali….. YOU CAN NOT ANSWER ,HEY MUSLIM (biggest insult possible !) ??
BUT THAT'S OKAY, ….I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER , HAHAHAHA !
NOW IT'S MY TURN AGAIN :
ALI,DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND SATAN ?? IF YOU ARE A REAL MUSLIM YOUR ANSWER SHOULD BE : YES ! SO THE BURDEN OF PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH AND HIS OFFSPRING SATAN IS ON YOU!! IT IS YOU (the stupid one you see in the mirror) WHO MUST TELL WHO ALLAH AND SATAN ARE ! MAN…YOU ARE REALLY RETARDED !!
I HOPE YOU ARE NOT OFFENDED NOW …..BWAHHAHAHAHOHOHOHAHAhAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Yes, all 5 of them!
Hey dikslurper, you back for more.
OK Julian, where were we. Oh yes…………….you using Satan as your batting partner even though you don't believe in his existence. Solipsism syndrome in the flesh, you are Julian.
Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?
Make my day and give me the biggest joke of the year with your reply.
HEY….ALIEN!!! STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE PROVEN EVILNESS OF YOUR GOD ALLAH ??
REMEMBER ?? VERY QUICKLY RECAP :
ALLAH IS THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING (according to your Quran) , THEREFORE IS HE ALSO THE CREATOR AND THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL ( Satan inclusive,according to your Quran))) !
WITHOUT ALLAH THERE WOULD BE NO EVIL !! SO WE CAN EVEN SAY THAT ALLAH IS MORE EVIL THAN SATAN HIMSELF !
TRUE ? OR NOT TRUE ?
A LOGICAL ANSWER PLEASE ….NO AD HOMINEMS,NO RED HERRINGS,NO STRAWMEN AND OTHER FALLACIES….. IF YOU CAN ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!
Salaam Julian my Muslim brother. Salaam, my dear, dear, dear dear, dear.
I always knew you would one day give up the Jogi dik worshipping ways. However, we still have to deal with your tranny ways and delusional mental illness.
But then and again,………………………….nah, you're better off being the Hindu t-o-s-s-e-r that you are. Easier for me to keep bashing you.
Ain't it time for you to slurp some lingham down at the Mandir?
Go on, gobble along now.
😀
Hey dikslurper, you back for more.
OK Julian, where were we. Oh yes…………….you using Satan as your batting partner even though you don't believe in his existence. Solipsism syndrome in the flesh, you are Julian.
Anyway, this one should be a blinder when you reply. Who is Allah and who is Satan?
Make my day and give me the biggest joke of the year with your reply.:D
Sorry muslim brother Ali.
I am a …….TAQIYYA MUSLIM !!!!
HAHAHHAHAhahagahahaHAHAHA !!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
THE EVIL ,BACKWARD, PARANOÏD , MOHAMMADAN ALI(EN) IS ANGRY !!!
MUSLIMS ARE ALWAYS ANGRY !!! I LIKE THAT !!! 😉
OH…I AM AN AGNOST !!! HAHAHAHA !!! 😉
ALI(EN), WE ARE STILL HERE ! ( ALZHEIMER ALLREADY ??)
I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE ANGRY, BECAUSE YOU ARE STUCK AND CAN NOT ANSWER !!! I LIKE THAT !!! BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
IT IS REALLY SIMPLE:
1) ALLAH CREATED EVERYTHING (according to YOU !)
2) ALLAH CREATED SATAN TOO ( according to YOU !!)
3) ALAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS ( according to YOU !!!)
4) SATAN SENDS ASTRAY TOO (that is his job), IF ALLAH ALLOWS ( according to YOU !!!!).
5) ALAH AND SATAN BOTH SEND PEOPLE ASTRAY ( according to YOU !!!!!).I am an example 😉 (according to YOU !!!!!!)
6) CONCLUSION: ISLAM IS SATANIC !!!!!!!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS ARGUMENT ??? I ASK YOU !!!
MUSLIMS ( AMINRIADH, ALI etc.) asked to prove that Islam is SATANIC !!
No one asked "Julia" anything . . . the person is troll – whom Sina initially banned. When his own attitude and actions of swearing at Muslim commenters came under question – he allowed the troll back.
Hey Julian aka Hindustani Hindu Julianchandarnatheeshmanpoojagupta.
Struggling are we?
Tine to come out to play. I am bored, so I need dimwit retard to pick on. Where are you, you Mormon pretending Hindu, living in Burampur Village?
Have you finished your devil worshipping ritual yet, even though you claim to be Atheist, then Hindu, then Mormon, then Jew, then Muslim, then Buddhist, then Atheist, then fcuk knows what else?
Islam will destroy itself, Julian?
1400 years have passed and nothing has happened, but you and Ali Sina believe Islam will now destroy itself. Because your guys plan of destroying just flopped.
Yeh right.
my dear we have not been finished despite islam's best efforts for past 1000 years and ur talking u have finished me?
true i have nothing more to harper about, i have learnt about islam and im done.
i have all the info i will ever need.
bye n have a good life.
AHA….ARE YOU HIDING HERE YOU RAT !!
WHAT ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATIC ACCORDING TI YOUR OWN QURAN !??
PLEASE AN ANSWER THAT WORTHY FOR A QUASI-INTELLECTUAL MUSLI CLERIC !
NOT A ONE SENTENCE-DRIVEL ANSWER !!! OR ARE YOU JUST A TROLL TOO
😉 ?
WHERE IS THE MUSLIM CLERIC AMIN-RAT ??
BLOWN UP HIMSELF ? LIKE A REAL GOOD MUSLIM SHOULD ?
AND NOT ONLY PREACHING IT TO OTHERS , …..HEY RAT ? 😉
HEY, WHAT IS THAT DRIVEL OF YOURS ABOUT INDIA ?
I'M NOT ON INDIA ! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT !!
DO YOU SEE HINDUS EVERYWHERE . THAT IS A SIGN OF PARANOIA !
A HORRIBLE ILLNESS !!
OH…MY…(AGAIN).
WE ARE ALL FINISHED …ALI THE MUSLIM ( biggest insult) SAYS SO !
I THINK YOU ARE INFECTED BY A VERY DANGEROUS BACIL(LUS) !
TO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE MOVIE POSSIBLE ABOUT YOUR FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED !! THE MAN WAS SUCH A WICKED MAFIOSO , THAT THERE CAN BE MADE HUNDREDS OF MOVIES ABOUT THIS BASTARD !! COMICAL FILMS, THRILLERS, HORROR !! , WAR !!…YOU NAME IT !! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ( Ali(en) : Please don't laugh ,Julia !)
@ ALI, (STILL A MUSLIM ?)
IN YOUR CONCLUSION YOU MENTIONNED "GOD" ; THIS IS OF COURSE YOUR IDOL "ALLAH"
AS MENTIONNED IN YOUR EVIL QURAN !
IF THERE IS A REAL GOD ,THEN IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ALLAH NOR OF COURSE SATAN !!
A REAL GOT SHOULD BE GOOD AND LOVING !!!
HERE IS WHAT ALI ,HE MUSLIM , HIMSELF CONCLUDED FROM MY PROOF, THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC.
THIS TIME HE WAS THINKTNG LOGICALLY AND CAME TO THE RIGHT CONCLUSION. !!
QUOTE( ALI ) : " So, let's get this straight, you believe that God is asking us to seek protection from Himself because God really is Satan. So in effect Satan is asking us to seek protection from Satan because there is no God, so there is only Satan. "
YEP,ALI , THAT IS THE CONCLUSION IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN,MOHAMMED,ALLAH AND SATAN , WHICH YOU DO !!!
THAT'S HOW EVIL AND CRAZY YOUR CULT IS !!
DON'T BLAME ME I AM ONLY THE MESSENGER (!), THIS CONCLUSION IS YOURS (AT LAST !).
THINK ABOUT IT AND LEAVE THIS CRAZY CULT AS QUICK AS YOU CAN !!
BECOME AN HONEST, NORMAL HUMAN BEING !!! 😉
THANKS STUPID MUSLIM ( BIG,BIG INSULT!) !!
YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT I LIKE YOU TO DO !!!
I'M HAVING GREAT FUN.
YOU SAID:
" So, let's get this straight, you believe that God is asking us to seek protection from Himself because God really is Satan. So in effect Satan is asking us to seek protection from Satan because there is no God, so there is only Satan. "
AT LAST YOU START TO SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE IN YOUR QURAN!!!
ACCORDING TO YOUR EVIL BOOK, IS ALLAH THE SAME AS SATAN.
SO FOR YOU ( the man in the mirror,remember) THERE IS ONLY …SATAN. !! AND THAT IS THE ENTITY YOU BOW TO, 5 TIMES A DAY( year in year out) , BOUNCING YOUR STUPID HEAD AGAINST THE FLOUR !! HAHAHAHAHAH !!!
IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT IS YOUR OWN CONCLUSION…..THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU BOW DOWN AGAIN TO YOUR BLACK-STONE-VAGINA !!
YOUY ARE ALMOST THERE….KEEP THINKING !
Go an have lie down dear. . . maybe a hot drink to relax.
You're finished ABC.
You and your Guru Ali Sina have nothing left to harper on about.
And you guys actually dreamt of the demise of Islam with Ali Sina's book and then the movie.
Stuck again are we Julian?
Of course Allah sends whom He wills astray and whom He wills He guides. Because He is Omnipresent and can do anything and everything. This is one fundamental understanding you seem to have forgotten and cannot grasp in your thick head. God can do anything He wills, whenever He wills. When He wills a thing, He only to say to it: Be! and it is!
You and me are living proof of Surah 14:4. You are astray, while I am guided!
I told you numerous times you was a living legend of stupidity in motion and you prove it time and time again. Forget scholars, I am your worst nightmare and will take you to school and back and then to school and back again and again and again, until I get bored of you.
Now where were we retard………………………………….
IRANIANS ARE LEAVING ISLAM IN MASS NUMBERS!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_beTQCH0qE&fe…
THE SNOWBALL HAS STARTED TO ROLL !!!!
HERE IS ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOgaOvWx3k&fe…
WATCH IT AND LEARN !!
MUSLIMS ….THIS IS A VIDEO FOR YOU! WATCH IT : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StM8hGaCozk&fe…
raj,
i am sorry but passing derogatory remarks to women folk is in very bad taste.
please understand women are innocent victims of the wars of men. try to fight your battle without involvign them.
it is not in our culture to berate women ………otherwise whats the difference between us and them?
being a woman it is my duty to stand up for the cause fo women. it is not right to insult them.
hope i have no offended and you and i udnerstand your reasons for doign what u have done but if possible try n refrian from involving women.
good day and wishes
fellow indian
i really wish i am able to do something more to your cause . i am promoting it and raising awareness. there is a new sect of young men in india who are nationalists and are trying to make a change.
i am sure one day we will see a better tomorrow.
good day and regards
superbly amazing demostration of islam and muslims.
thanks …… did you know you are doing great service to ali sina , providing practical elaborations to his theories.
their perception fo women and innocents.
you may be angry at raj but you are dragging his innocent relatives into your blood bath. is this what your religion teaches you.
if anyone had any doubts about what ali sina is saying, you have convinced them.
so much of hate inside you, is it possibel for you to even breath and smile and lead a normal life?
i know alittle about religions:
1. Christianity is not a religion, its a way. Jesus himself taught that only two factions, its children of light against children of darkness. Similiar like Jedi and Sith.
2. Hinduism teach 3 God: it is Creator, Destroyer, and Builder. But the real power is Krisna taht the real is God Univerese.
3. Tao, teach no God but only Universe way like Rhonda Bryne the secrets.
4.Islam teach similiar like Jews but in radical and wordly lust point of view.
5. Jews teach similiar like Christiwns but they just dont get Jesus and Muhammed.
6. Budha teqch everything is only an fantasia world of mind. It believes no God
DEAR ALI !
WHERE ARE YOU, BLACK-STONE VAGINA-KISSER ?
WHERE IS MY MUZZIE MOUSE ALIEN? I WANT TO PLAY WITH YOU !!! KIDDY,KIDDY,KIDDY !!!
WHAHAHAWHAHA !!!
dr sina sorry fro the late reply. i am experienceing some problems with your site off late.
you see hindus are divided on the basis of caste. and hindus are also way to complacent to react untill it is a calamity !
however now movements are in place and hopefully the outcome would be a better governed state. but i am only partially optimistic.
with so many religions and ethnicites it is impossible to unite india together. it will always be a bed of problems.
i think you have a very partial idea of who is an enemy of civilisation.
and i think you do have a point , i dont hold any office. i am just a commoner.
i am offering an apology on behalf of indians or is that too hard for you to understand.
your dressing down as i have said before ……… showcases your religion mroe than ali sina's words.
ali sina says muslims hate other faiths and you showcase that .
exactly i dotn care about your denial either. so dont bother to give me ur bull.
HEY MEATHEADED MUSLIM ( biggest insult posssible)..ALI(EN)
Are you on the streets in your hell-hole country trying to kill some westeners? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
YOUR EVIL DEAD PROPHET WAS OFFENDED 😉
IN A PEACEFUL WAY OF COURSE !! THE MUSLIM WAY ! 😉
LOOK OUT MAN, YOUR BROTHERS KILL YOU BY "MISTAKE" ( HAHAHAHAHA !!! OH…that humiliating laugh again ).!! BYE !!! 😉
I WILL TELL YOU A SCRET,ALI (EN).
I AM A MORMON, AND I DO BELIEVE IN SATAN. !!! IT MAKES FOR LOGICAL THINKING
PEOPLE NO DIFFERENCE OF COURSE. A PROOF IS A PROOF ! BUT IT WILL STOP YOUR WHYNING ! AND IT FORCES YOU TO THINK, BRAINWASHED AS YOU ARE, YOU CAN NOT HIDE AWAY NOW !!!
"Trolling is natural outcome of long lasting hatred phenomenon mastered by group of community people mostly lacking intellectual capabilities."
THIS IS THE BEST DESCRIPTION OF MUSLIMS I HAVE EVER SEEN !!!
KUDOS TO YOU !!! CHEERS !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !! WHAT A MUSLIM-MORON 😉
OH…MY…OUR DESTINY !!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA . WHAT A BACKWARD MORON YOU ARE ! YOU STILL LIVE IN THE 7th CENTURY YOU SILLY, BRAINWASHED BASTARD !!!!
OH, YES ….ALWAYS WRONG TRANSLATIONS !!!
HOW COME ? WHY DO YOU STUPID MUSLIMS NOT TRANSLATE YOUR EVIL QURAN IN THE RIGHT WAY FOR ONCE ?? OR ARE YOU AFRAIF OF THE TELLING THE TRUTH ??
THERE WILL BE MORE MOVIES ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET !!
TELLING THE TRUTH !!! THE FILMMAKERS NEED ONLY USE YOUR VILE SCRIPTURE AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE WHAT KIND OF MAFIOSO MOHAMMED WAS. ISLAM WILL DESTROY ITSELF !!! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
ITS TIME HAS PAST !
TO ALI(EN) THE MOHAMMADAN ( BIGGEST INSULT POSSIBLE 😉 )
YOU SAID: "If Islam is Satanic, even though you don't believe in the existence of Satan (well done einstein), then how could God ask us to seek protection from Himself ".
I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT IT IS YOU WHO BELIEVES IN SATAN ! THAT IS THE POINT ,MUSLIM ( insult again).YOU (!!!) BELIEVE THE CRAP OF YOUR QURAN…I MOST
CERTAINLY NOT !! THAT IS OBVIOUS 😉
YOU MUST ASK YOUR FAKE GOD ALLAH ABOUT THIS CONTRADICTION, NOT ME …MUSLIM (big insult 😉 ). I'M ONLY THE MESSENGER 😉
YOU YOURSELF PROVE NOW THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTS ITSELF !
DO YOU SEE IT , (first muslim nobelprize-winner ? 😉 ) ???
I'LL GIVE YOU STILL ANOTHER SURAH THAT PROVES THAT I AM RIGHT :
SURAH 14:4 SAYS:
"And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
SO ALLAH SENDS ASTRAY WHOM HE WILLS ( Q.14:4), SO HE DOES WHAT SATAN DOES
AND ALLAH ASKS YOU MUSLIMS INDEED (16:98) TO SEEK PROTECTION FROM SATAN (ALLAH HIMSELF) ! HAHAHAHAHAH (sorry, quiet, parrot !)
ISLAM IS FOR IDIOTS . MULLAHAS ARE SO BUTTHURT BECAUSE OF SAM BACILES MOVIE
Well, Sam Bacile , fooled you if course !
He seems to be a Jew ( a monkey or an pig, as you believe). YOU ARE BEEING FOOLED BY A MONKEY OR A PIG …WHAT A JOKE ! THIS SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU, BACKWARD MUSLIMS (biggest insult possible 😉 ) .!!!!
BUT THER WILL BE MANY MORE MOVIES ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET, WHETER YOU BACKWARD MOHAMMEDANS LIKE OT OR NOT !! SO YOU CAN GO CRAZY AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE 😉 ,IT WILL NOT HELP YOU .I AM SURE THE MOVIE OF ALI SINA WILL DRIVE YOU MAD !! HAHHAHAHA ( Stop you smart parrot, Ali is suffering !)
THINKING ABOUT BLOWING UP YOURSELF, HEY ALI(EN)….DO IT MAN…DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE , YOUR FAKE ALLAH HATES HYPOCRITES ! 😉 😉
TO ALI THE MUSLIM .
FROM NOW ON I WILL MOSTLY CALL YOU : "MUSLIM(SLAVE)" OR "MOHAMMADAN", (TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOU 😉 . THESE ARE THE BIGGEST INSULTS I CAN THINK OF FOR A HUMAN BEING ! A MUSLIM OR MOHAMMEDAN IS A FOLLOWER OF MOHAMMED AND THEREFORE A LIAR, THIEF, RAPIST, LERCHER, WIFEBEATER, MURDERER …ENFIN …YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN !!! I HOPE YOU'R NOT OFFENDED NOW, IT OS ONLY THE TRUTH !!!!
SO LISTEN MUSLIM ( big insult !), YOU SAID:
"You are the one who doesn't believe in the existence of Satan, but you claim Islam is Satanic! "
NOW ,FOR YOU,REALLY SIMPLE…I REPEAT, BECAUSE YOU STILL DON'T GET IT :
1) YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND THEREFORE IN SATAN ! …CORRECT ? (yes says Ali 😉 )
2) LOGICAL DEDUCTION FROM SURAH'S OF YOUR QURAN LEADS YOU TO THE CONCLUSION
THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC. THAT IS ALL, ALI(EN) …IT IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE !!!
YOUR somewhat more intelligent MUSLIM(insult)BROTHER AMINRIADH is silent about this PROOF, which in Islam means HE CONSENTS ( you know what I mean:" the silence of a virgin means her consent") ) 😉
Here is the PROOF again that the muslims like ALI and AMINRIADH are trying to avoid , with all kinds if TAQIYYA ! THEY TRY TO RUN ,WITHOUT ANSWERING !! IT WILL NOT WORK 😉 .SO AGAIN :
Surah 22:4 says:"It has been decreed for every DEVIL that whoever turns to him – he will misguide him and will lead him to the punishment of the Blaze."
So the devil (Satan) is (are) the one(s) who sends people astray !
What is the NAME of the entity in the QURAN that misguides people and sends them astray ?
Surah 4:88 says: "What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom ALLAH HAS SENT ASTRAY? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance]."
SO THE NAME IF THE ENTITY THAT SENDS PEOPLE ASTRAY IS ALLAH !!
CONCLUSION: ALLAH IS SATAN.
ISLAM IS THE RELIGION WHICH ALLAH ONLY APPROVES (Surah 3:85) . SO ISLAM IS SATANIC !! Q.E.D.
NOW ANSWER….YOU MUSLIM SLAVES…..IF YOU CAN !!! WITHOUT SILLY EXCUSES !
Just like how all readers have seen how your Guru Ali Sina has made his movie, hey Julian? That's exactly how you've knocked me down. ROFL.
Because you suffer from Attention Seeking Syndrome, somebody has to do the schitty job of giving you that attention, so be it. Aminriadh doesn't want to deal with you for obvious reasons as you can take up a lot of valuable time and you do have a few marbles missing in the upstairs department, but me on the other hand. I have all the time in the world to put you in check.
Nervous laugh again, is it?
What part of the English language are you struggling with Julian. Come on, you can tell me. I promise I won't ridicule you.
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You are the one who doesn't believe in the existence of Satan, but you claim Islam is Satanic!
Are you really surprised why everyone picks on you with the logic you show?
You are one of the subscribers who believed in a game plan of defeating Islam with Ali Sina's movie and that yesterday, has come crumbling down thanks to Sam Becile.
What more is there left for you? NOTHING.
When people are utterly defeated and despondent, they usually have a nervous laughter such as yours because when people like you have found themselves placed under a high degree of emotional pressure, this is their defence mechanism. You do it in literally every post of yours.
This told us from the offset, there were a few screws missing in the upstairs department and we were dealing with a repetitive parrot syndrome retard who uses the HAHAHAHAHA as his decoy. And the best part is, you proved us RIGHT!
Run along now Mr. Laughter. Keep laughing whilst you're running so you don't show everyone how nervous you really are.
Julian the chameleon………………I mean comedian.
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SEE ,HE IS BACK ! THE BRAINWASHED CRETIN CAN"T LET GO .
I TOLD YOU !!!
NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT MY PROOF ISLAN BEING SATANIC !
YOU ASKED FOR A PROOF YOURSELF !
I ONLY USED YOUR OWN EVIL BOOK !!
BUT YOU CAN NOT REFUTE IT ! THAT'S WHY YIU SEEL A STUPID WAY OUT !
AMIN-RAT IS A LITTLE BIT SMARTER AS YOU ARE….HE SAYS NOTHING !!
GANE IVER….INDEED.! AND HERE COMES THE PAIN AGAIN FOR YOU ….
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!
ALL READERS HAVE SEEN HOW I KNOCKED YOU DOWN !!
YOU ARE RIGHT : GAME OVER !
FOR ISLAM AND ALL THE EVIL MUSLIMS LIKE YOU !!
THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING IT !!!
YOU COULD NOT REFUTE MY PROOF ABOUT ISLAM BEING SATANIC ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN EVIL QURAN !
I AM SURE YOU CAN'T LET GO… BECAUSE ISLAM HAS MADE YOUR SICK IN YOUR HEAD !
YOU MUST REACT …EVEN THOUGH YOU REALLY CANNOT . I BET YOU ! Only silly answers !
WE WILL SEE … AND OF COURSE: HERE IS MY ,FOR YOU, VERY PAINFUL MOCKING LAUGH , HAHAHAHAHA !!! (The arrogant muslims hate it being ridiculed, that is why they go crazy as some one mocks the dead Mlhammed)
Thank for letting me play with you, like a cat with a mouse…but now the mouse is dead, Ithink ! 😉
Julian is now believing in the existence of Satan, even though he doesn't believe in the existence of Satan.
Just like your understanding of 1 of 2!
Home made tripe.
No schooling can help you. You are beyond help anymore.
No one on earth can be this dumb.
TO ALI the retarded Mathematician.
I DON'T NEED TIME ! HMMM …DUDE.
IT IS YOU, YOU, YOU… SILLY MOHAMMEDANS WHO BELIEVE IN SATAN AND THE QURAN.
HERE WE GO AGAIN, JUST AS WITH THE (for you difficult) PROBABILITY "PROBLEM".
IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES OF LOGIC ( Do it this time better as with the probablity ;-))
THEN IS ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN ISLAM SATANIC.
WHAT I BELIEVE OR ACCEPT IS NOT OF YOUR BUSINESS !
YOU…YOU MUST DEDUCE LOGICALLY AND IF YOU DO ,THEN YOU,…YOU…YOU MUST COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION AS I DID !
I THINK YOU TOOK ENOUGH TIME NOW TO DO THAT….DUDE ( 😉 )… .SO DON'T TRY TO GET AWAY !!! YOU COWARD !
THE SAME REASONING CAN BE USED BY SOME ONE WHO DOES BELIEVE IN SATAN, SO THAT A SILLY POINT (AGAIN!) HAHAHAHAHA ( F!CK, THAT HURTS HEY, MOHAMMEDAN ALI ) !
OH…AND ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED….FOR SURE 😉 😉
Game over.
Next!!
I told you Julian, you was done.
It's all over for you mate.
Find another hobby.
@Julian. Game over dude. Game over.
You're done.
There's nothing left on here for you.
Finito!
ANSWER TO MY PROOF,YOU RAT . YOU CAN'T AND THAT IS WHY TRY TO ESCAPE WITH THE NONSENSE OF THE ALIEN KID.
THIS SILLY BOY WANTS GAME TO BE OVER, BECAUSE HE IS BEATEN UP LIKE A SLAVE !!
YOU BOYS CANNOT KICK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FOOT TO STAND ON !HAHAHA !
THIS LAUGHING IS PAINFUL FOR ARROGANT MOHAMMEDANS. I know…I know…;-)
OH YES !!!
WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR FREEDOM !!
WE ARE NO SLAVES LIKE YOU( LOW LIFE ) AND NEVER WILL BE.
THE GANE JUST HAS STARTED !!!
AS LONG AS THERE ARE BRAINWASHED CRETINS WE WILL HAVE FUN !!! HAHAHAHA
"THE SENTENCE MEANS THAT"
What you wrote was that bad . . . you had to provide an interpretation – which wasn't even alluded to by your own original words. . .
"So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !"
This sentence is simply idiotic . . . by clarifying the way you did . . . you actually affirms what I said.
– – –
Rehashing shiite . . . . is far worse than producing it in the 1st place.
I don't like your way Ali – But this made me laugh. . .
"How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julian? "
Even the person it's aimed at laughed.
So Ali,
Atheist killed the most. Let me see. For 1400 (or at least 1300 ) years Islam killed every single atheist under islam. For very long periods islam didn't kill atheist because there was nobody to kill. Every atheist kept quiet. Even now the atheist keep their believes to themselves in great majority of Islamic counties. And you want to count this as tolerance from islam. Not killing atheist because there non identifiable. And by the way this was not just islam. And when finally the atheists had the means to fight back there were called killers. Keep in mind it always has been like that atheist loose they get slaughtered completely to the last man. And you want to deny them the right to defend them self from a lunatic religion like yours.
Please tell me what happened when Mohammad conquered Arabia to all people that are not people of the Book. It was kill or get killed.
And it continues to this day for Islam. Other religions learned their lesson.
THEN WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ,KID ( AND THE OTHER INBRED CRETINS ) ?
WHY ???
YOU KEEP COMMING BACK ….THAT MEANS YOU ARE AFRAID !!
YOUR FAKE PROPHET BEGAN ALSO ALONE AND LATER WITH A LITTLE BUNCH OF FOLLOWERS ! MOST THINGS START SMALL !!
WE HAVE INTERNET AND ALREADY MANY,MANY FIGHTERS !
ISLAM WILL OF COURSE BE DESTROYED !! NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT .
NOT ALL HUMAN BEINGS WANT TO KILL EVERYBODY ELSE BECAUSE A MEDIEVIAL IDOL TELLS THEM TO !
MOST PEOPLE WANT TO BE FREE !! LIIK AT IRAN …ISLAM IS FALLING DOWN THERE ALREADY !! COME ON ,WITH YOUR LANE AND SILLY REACTION !! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
Game over denialisnoproof, game over.
You have Sam Bacile to thank for it.
Game fcuking over.
What do you have left? NOTHING.
But you call Islam Satanic even though you don't believe in devils?
What a dimwit.
You're such a retard, you studied all weekend for a urine test!
But you don't believe Satan exists, do you Julian?
So how can it be Satanic and how could you use Satanic in your argument?
Stuck again are we?
Ali the penis slice . why you muzzies are so butthurt in the name of islam .
your information control cult will fail in the age of information.
the truth about islam is out .
you can't do anything
No it doesn't retard. How could you pretend to understand Arabic when you can barely understand English and have no idea of the Arabic language. There is not a single Hadeeth in existence saying that Mohammed wore women's clothing. This is something Sam Shamoun has concocted and is now backtracking. No one in history I know of wrote these conclusions before Shamoun wrote them.
Stick to Hindi.(even that will be difficult for you)
Moving onto the parents jibe you took, you don't even know who your father is Julian, let alone talking about cousins!
And what do we call people who don't know their father….. that's right. Bastard aka Haraami!
Oooooooh. That one hurt so much, I could feel it through the computer screen.
AFTER 3 DAYS THERE IS STILL NO ANSWER FROM MUSLIMS TO MY PROOF (ABOVE) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SIMPLE PROOF,ONLY USING VERSES OF THE QURAN !!
I ASSUME THAT THEY AGREE !!!! ;-0
THANK YOU….AND NOW LEAVE YOUR EVIL CULT ….COME ON….IT IS CLEAR NOW…
YOU ARE BEING FOOLED FOR 1400 YEARS !!!
AFTER 3 DAYS THERE IS STILL NO ANSWER FROM MUSLIMS TO MY PROOF (ABOVE) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SIMPLE PROOF,ONLY USING VERSES OF THE QURAN !!
I ASSUME THAT THEY AGREE !!!! ;-0 😉
THANK YOU….AND NOW LEAVE YOUR EVIL CULT ….COME ON….IT IS CLEAR NOW…
YOU ARE BEING FOOLED FOR 1400 YEARS !!!
Oh…my.. He has found it: "infatuation".
But you found the wrong word of course, being a "Mathematician"(Probability specialist 😉 ), and not a linguist.
You meant to say ,of course, "infection" by the Islamic cancer .
No , follower of the evil crossdresser, I am, thank God (not you wicked Idol allah !) not infected with Islam. And I never will be, because I have a big anti-dose …of common sense !!! HAHAHA ( yep, this is painful ).
I don't believe in crazy stuff like: Jinns, Alif,Lam Meem, talking ants, stone vagina's, devils, heaven, hell, holy kaaba, halal, haraam, shariah, punishment of the grave,allah, Quran, Ahadith, Sirat, sunna, shia,angels ….Well you all this crap !!! And certainly also NOT in lingam,Shiva, etc…
OH, SILLY KID ALI(EN) !
TO MAKE IT SHORT : FEE THAWB IMRA'AH (Arabic) means IN A WOMAN'S GARMENT !! AGAIN, FOR BRAINDEAD MUSLIM ZOMBIES…IMRA'AH means WOMEN !!
SEE IT….INBRED CRETIN !!
BY THE WAY: YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER ARE FULL COUSINS …AREN'T THEY ??
YES…BE HONEST FOR ONCE !! YOU CAN !! TRY IT !! HONEST !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
AND YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF JALAL ABUALRUB AND THE LIKES ! 😉
WE KNOW YOU ARE GREAT LIARS !! IT IS ALL STUPID COPY /PASTING WHAT YOU DO !
BUT STILL MOHAMMED WAS A CROSS DRESSER !
SAM SHAMOUN ( THO YOU HATE OF COURSE, BECAUSE HE TELLS YOU THE TRUTH ) CRUSHED YOUR NONSENSE HERE : http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/re…
FATHER ZAKARIA BOTROS THE FAMOUS (ARABIC SPEAKING SCHOLAR SAYS THE SAME ABOUT YOUR INSANE CAMEL( F*CKER ) , HAHAHAHAHAHA !! http://www.fatherzakaria.net/ ( YOU HATE HIM EVEN MORE THEN SAM SHAMOUN…DON'T YOU ? YEP…THE TRUTH CAN BE HARD TO BREAR 😉 )
Game over Julian. Game over.
Oh yes Julian. You have destroyed so much of Islam that only one little push and Islam will be gone forever.
What a retard.
You're so stupid, you tried to strangle yourself with a cordless phone when you heard the movie was made and Ali Sina is finished.
STUPID,SILLY MUSLIM KID !
STUPID SILLY MUSLIM KID !!!
Keep barking Julian. You guys are finished.
It's going to be even more fun watching you try to push a camel through the eye of a needle.
How could you prove Islam is Satanic when you don't believe or accept Satan exists?
Take your time dude, take your time.
@Julian. You guys are finished. Sam Bacile made sure of that.
You have absolutely nothing left to bank on. You can change your goal posts, dress up your defeat, hide the fact you have nothing left in your arsenal and keep harping on about this movie of Ali Sina, when it is already out there and nothing which you guys thought was going to happen has happened.
I actually could have saved you the trouble and embarrassment and could have told you for free, nothing will happen, which to be fair I have said all along. Your dreams of Islam being removed, weakened or wiped out are only dreams and will never happen in anyone's lifetimes, and we will be the power to be and chosen ones until the end of times.
Get over it you accursed ignorant losers. Get over it and wake up to reality.
What are you guys going to do now? Even the potential investors Ali Sina was poaching for the movie will pull out.
It's over. You're done.
YOU CAN'T EVEN READ ( LIKE YOUR CRAZY FAKE PROPHET !).
THE SENTENCE MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO REHASH……FOR YOU….OF COURSE !
IT IS YOU WHO STILL DON'T GET IT !! ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD ? IT MUST BE 😉
DIDN'T YOU EVEN GET THIS ? YOU ARE CERTAINLY SOME SCHOLAR !!! HAHAHA !!
WE WANT ANSWERS IF YOU SILLY BASTARD !!
WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE: A TROLL IS A TROLL IS A TROLL ….ALIF, LAM , MEEM….BEEP…BURP !!! ?? YOU TALK LIKE YOUR SLAVE MASTER MOHAMMED !
TO ALIEN.
"We don't have to prove anything to you."
YOU ASKED US TO PROVE THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!
I GAVE YOU A PROOF !! AND NOW I ASK YOU TO ANSWER !
BUT YOU CAN NOT , THAT IS VER CLEAR !
THANK YOU ! HAHAHA ( AGAIN .!! I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL TO BE RIDICULED FOR MUSLIMS, HAHAHA ). 😉
— "How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julia? "
HAHAHA ( AUCH !! MUSLIM DON'T LIKE TO BE RIDICULED, I KNOW…IT TS BECAUSE OF THEIR LOW SELF-ESTEEM ,OF COURSE !!).
LISTEN ,BACKARD SLAVE.. YOU DID NOT EVEN TOUCH ME ONCE ! A LITTLE RASCAL LIKE YOU IS ONLY RIDICULOUS !
I'M ONLY PLAYING A BIT WITH YOU MUSLIMS !! I KNOW I WILL NEVER GET ANSWERS OF YOU !
IT IS FUNNY TO SEE HOW YOU ,ALIEN AND AMIN-RAT REALLY (?) THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUT MEDIEVAL CULT . BUT YOU NEVER DO .
You look exactly like your fake prophet who was several times possessed… , he also thaught he did things which he never did !!
PROOF(AGAIN) :
Narrated Aisha:
Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400)
YIU ARE REALLY FUNNY, YOU MUSLIMS…BUT ALSO VERY EVIL !!!
OH…ALI(EN) . THER IS A MUHABILA GOING ON FFI.
SEE HERE : http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/…
(on page 1 of the comments , you can read mire about it) 😉
Muslims are busy asking your evil fake god ALLAH to kill me before 23-9-2012.
I even help them with cursing …really ..!!!
But i am still kicking ass !! HURRY UP ,ALIEN ( GENIUS MATHEMATICIAN )…PERHAPS ALLAH LISTENS TO YOU !! HAHAHA.
FOR MORE IN MUBAHILA , if you don't know what is (PROBANLY !),SEE HERE : http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-i…
–"We don't have to prove anything to you."
WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN IS: "WE (BACKWARD MUSLIMS) CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM ". THAT'S THE TRUTH !!!! ( SILLY KID !! ALI, THE GENIUS MUSLIM MATHEMATICIAN, EXPERT IN PROBABILITY ,HAHAHA !).
–"You are the ones with the problem, so go and find your cure."
WELL, ALIEN (the genius mathematician 😉 ) , ISLAM IS OUR PROBLEM , AND A VERY EVIL ONE TOO. AND WE KNOW THE CURE !! WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY IT, WHETER YOU BACKWARD MUSLIMS LIKE IT OR NOT !! SO GET IVER IT ( 😉 ) AS YOU ALSWAYS SAY !!!
Hey Ali(en ) carry on kissing YONI ( the vagina) of your IDOL LAT ( godess of fertility) !
"Would You Like to be a Muslim?"
NO !!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
I DON'T LIKE TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE FAKE GOD ALLAH, INVENTED BY AN EVIL SEFISH MAN , THE FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ( also clalled THE INSANE CAMEL ) .
I RATHER AM BUSY WITH DESTROYING THIS WICKED CULT ! BYE !!! 😉
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Very true. It is really embarrassing to go to bed with someone and remarry your husband. I would never accept that wife again. It is really humiliating. I wld never want any lady in my family to go thru that. It is a kind of prostitution. Allah really promoted prostitution.
Clutching at straws are you Julian?
Your world has just come crashing down, with the movie that Ali Sina can no longer make, as Sam Bacile has beaten him to it.
You guys have nothing else left in your arsenal!
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How many times do you have to be kicked up the backside with a foot to realise it is a kick, Julian?
Do you actually suffer from redundant acronym syndrome amongst your other ailments?
Like I have already said, compared to you, we are not only scholars and intellectually superior, we are geniuses. You can keep barking until the cows (your gods) come home, we will still be the head honchos and you will be the retarded dimwit known as the ignorant. No matter what answers you are given, you still cannot understand, so we now have to go back to the 'STFU retard' responses.
We don't have to prove anything to you. You are the ones with the problem, so go and find your cure. Whether it's a gay bar or brothel, we don't give a schit. You're the enemies of civilizations, are known as the ignorants and have the curse of God, Angels and Mankind on you collectively. You should be privileged we are even talking to filth like you.
Run along now, it's time for you to worship the dik (shiv lingham).
Can't you get enough of Sam Shamoun, Julian?
Has it not been broken down for you dimwit.
‘Fee’ has a host of meanings, such as ‘in; under; on; above; inside, within, etc.’ Additionally, had ‘Fee’ in the Hadeeth Shamoun corrupted meant ‘wearing’, then, the narration of the same Hadeeth by Imam Muslim (4427) would mean that both the Prophet and Aishah were wearing her Thaub. That would be one huge Thaub, because wasn't Aisha only 9 years old? So how could a man fit into this Thaub?
Furthermore, `Aun al-Ma`bud fi Shar`h-i Sunan-i Abi Dawud, defines ‘Li`haf’ as: ‘Whatever you cover with (i.e., blanket)’, as Abu Ubaid stated, adding that ‘Li`haf’ is in reference to every ‘Thaub’ used as a ‘Li`haf’, i.e., as a blanket as Abu Ubaid stated. In, al-Misba`h: ‘Mil`hafah (as in ‘Li`haf’!) is defined as: every ‘Thaub’ used to cover with.
‘Li`haf’ was used by Aishah herself to mean what she covered with in bed. Al-Bukhari (478) and Muslim (795) narrated that Aishah said, “I would be laying in bed and the Prophet, peace be upon him, would come and pray facing the middle of the bed. Since I disliked standing in front of him in his prayers, I used to slip away slowly and quietly from the foot of the bed until I got out of my Li`haf (quilt).” Also, an authentic Hadeeth, from the grade Hasan, collected in Sahih Ibn Majah (526) reported that Um Salamah, the Prophet’s wife, said, “I was with Allah’s Messenger Fee (under) his Li`haf when what touches women (menses) touched me; I slipped out of the Li`haf.” It would be a huge Li`haf if both the Prophet and his wife ‘wore’ it together.
Here is why the likes of you did not use the translation of Hilali-Khan for this Hadeeth. “Do not hurt me regarding Aishah, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aishah.” This is the real meaning.
You can now kiss my a@@ tranny.
"So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !"
Well – When you have such brains and intelligence about . . . . says it all.
A troll is . . . what a troll says!
"As for the terrible articles of this site! I mean does he really have to rehash everything – answering-islam wrote on a decade or so ago? "
Well you muslims still don't get ! So we have to REHASH AND REHASH , that's logical !! IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT YOU ARE BRAINWASHED. WE ONLY TRY TO CLEAN YOU OF YOUR MUSLIM FILTH . WE MEAN IT WELL ! 😉
SO, we want answers from you , Amin-Rat ! You don't answer anything. You'r only boasting being a scholar, an intellectual. But we see no proof of it….NOTHING !( By the way: We don't count the Alien-kid at all,of course. SORRY KID).
So we keep on exposing your evil cult !!! On and on !! YES , WE KNOW THAT IT IS A PAINFUL PROCES ! SORRY FOR THAT TOO !
Amin-Rat,you are afraid . And you too Ali(en) ,silly kid !
PUH,PUH,PUH….no excuses now…..You are afraid ! THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT !! 😉 We understand . RELAX !!!
Why else should come back here over and over with silly drivel.
Boasting that you are scholars , you both ! SCHOLARS ??? AMAZING !!
Where is your answer to my proof that Islam is SATANIC !!!????
OR ARE YOU AGAIN THINKING THAT YOU CAME WITH AN ANSWER ?
SALAAM BROTHER ALIEN !!! YOU HAVE CONVERTED ME !!You are great scholar !!! Thank you for your wisdom and kindness. I am a slave too now!!….SO !!!
Now, don't be a coward nomore and… BWAMMMMM….blow up yourself now !!
DO IT FOR OUR ALLAH AND OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHAMMED. PLEASE!! AS SOON AS YOU ARE "MARTYR ",THÁT MOMENT WILL GIVE ME THE BEST FEELING !!
TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE MUSLIM WHOREHEAVEN, THÁT WILL MAKE ME VERY HAPPY , BUT…..IT IS UP TO YOU….IS YOUR BELIEVE IN ALLAH STRONG ENOUGH? I REALLY HOPE SO !! BYE ,BYE ….;-) BYE, bye….
DID YOU SEE THE "PEACEFUL" REACTIONS OF YOUR BACKWARD MUSLIMBROTHERS !!!??_AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU MUSLIM PROVE THAT WE ( FIGHTERS AGAINST YOUR EVIL CULT ) ARE RIGHT !_EVEN THE POLITICAL "CORRECT"AND THE LEFTIES ( BURAK HUSSEIN OBAMA) START SEEING THE TRUTH !!!_BY THE WAY : THERE ARE MANY FILMS ABOUT JESUS ! _SO MORE MOVIES TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED ARE VERY WELCOME AND NEEDED !_
Amin riadh answer this question.
TO ALIEN ,THE ISLAMIC MATHEMATICIAN (PROBABILITY-SPECIALIST ! 😉 ) AND QUASI-INTELLECTUAL ( I.Q. -10)
I AM SORRY TO SAY ALI(EN) BUT THE REAL CROSSDRESSER WAS YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED (THE INSANE CAMEL).
PROOF ( NOT LIKE YOUR SILLY DRIVEL) :
… So Um Salamah went and talked with the prophet but he did not respond to her. When the group asked her what the prophet said she told them that he did not respond. So they asked her to go talk to him again until he responds… then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN A WOMAN’S GARMENT (fee thawb imra’ah) EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393,Volume Title, “Grace and its Virtues.”Chapter Title, “What was Granted to the Companions and the Wives.” )
MORE AHADITH CONFIRMING THIS :
Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 3941 Volume Title, “The Book of Virtues.” Chapter Title, “The Virtues of Aisha.”
Can you not read denialisnoproof?
The movie has already been made by Sam Bacile with a budget of $5 million. He has done exactly what Ali Sina has been planning for years as his next money fleecing scheme.
The movie is here and sweet fk'all has happened to Islam.
When will you guys ever learn?
This movie stance was you guys last ditched attempt and even then you have been pipped to the post by an American Jew Sam Bacile, who for the record has just gone into hiding.
Ali Sina must be at the local A&E suffering a nervous breakdown. His scheme is all over.
Maybe a sitcom about Ali Sina's life? ……………………..that should be a laugh.
Salaam brother Julian!
How you getting on being a Muslim? Must be the best feeling in the world.
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Just like the book! I recommend it . . . for a good laugh. In the name of good scholarship . . . . I reject the book – just on those grounds.
As for the terrible articles of this site! I mean does he really have to rehash everything – answering-islam wrote on a decade or so ago?
IT IS YOU WHO MUST BELIEVE IN JINNS ,NOT ME !! I ONLY LAUGH ABOUT THAT MEDIEVAL NONSENSE !
YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND SOME SIMPLE SATYRE. I KNOW IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR MUSLIMS TO THINK ABSTRACTLY , OR (for a backward muslim like you) TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX ! YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT . AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I FIND SO FUNNY ABOUT YOU AND YOUR RETARDED INBRED BROTHERS . SO I CAN PLAY AROUND WITH YOU .
REMEMBER YOUR SILLY DISCUSSION ABOUT PROBABILITY !
I AM SURE YOU STILL DON'T GET IT !!! HAHAHAHAHA ( AUCH!!! )
Ali sina when is your movie getting released ?
Ali the musleem should be made to see it first
TO THE ISLAMIC "MATHEMATICIAN"
ALI(EN) ;-).
I KNOW THAT YOU THINK YOU ANSWERED THE ALIF,LAM,MIM -SH!T IF YOUR 7th CENTURY WIZZARD BOOK !
JUST AS YOU THINK YOU KNOW PROBABILITY ! HAHAHA (AGAIN !! AUCH !!). THERE ARE MANY MUSLIM "ANSWERS" :
1)ALLAH KNOWS BEST?
2) NOBODY REALLY KNOWS?
3) IT IS A MIRACLE OF ALLAH? HAHAHA!!
4) IT'S CHILDISH NUMEROLOGY ?
5) IT IS "GREAT" POESY ! 😉
6) ALLAH'S BOOK IS WITHOUT DOUBT , CLEAR AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !
SO ,IT IS, WHATEVER YOU SAY
THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. !!
THAT IS NO ANSWER ,KID , OH SORRY,… ADULT MUSLIM INTELLECTUAL !! HAHAHA (AUCH !!).
WHAT YOU MADE CLEAR TO ME IS WHY NO REAL MUSLIM OR ARAB EVER WINS A NOBELPRIZE.
EVEN YOUR ADULT INTELLECTUALS CAN'T THINK LOGICALLY !
WHAT A PATHETIC MUSLIM CHILD YOU ARE , ALI(EN) E.T . !!!
GO ASK YOUR BIG BROTHER AMIN-RAT FOR HELP !!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Someone has beaten Ali Sina to the movie production. It's already made.
By the way Ali Sina, someone has already beaten you to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.
His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.
That being the case, and according to your logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.
I really do feel it for you Ali Sina. Someone beat you at your own game and has just snatched that glory you so craved, right under your nose.
What now?
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Sorry to burst your bubble denialisnoproof, but someone has already beaten Ali Sina to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.
His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.
That being the case, and according to Ali Sina's logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.
I really do feel it for your Guru Ali Sina. Someone has beaten him at his own game and has just snatched that glory he so so craved, right under his nose.
What now?
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By the way Ali Sina, someone has already beaten you to the movie. Sam Bacile. He's actually produced a movie and is an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film. The movie depicts Mohammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.
His plan is to make a series of 200 hours about the same subject.
That being the case, and according to your logic, we should now start seeing the demise of Islam, shouldn't we? Plus this movie should start the debate rolling and Muslims leaving Islam in droves.
I really do feel it for you Ali Sina. Someone beat you at your own game and has just snatched that glory you so craved, right under your nose.
What now?
Exactly.
I am backtracking.
With you as the bogie and I as the engine, I had moved on further. But there is a danger you may delink, and it will be I going all the way.
So backtracking and going back to whatever excess distance I had covered without you.
Now you become the engine and lead. I will become the bogie.
The word we are looking for is 'infatuation'.
Julian the tranny is infatuated by Islam.
The pot calling the kettle black is it Julian?
And you mentioning Jinns, when you don't even believe in their existence?
What's next?
You gonna start calling yourself a Muslim despite not believing in Islam?
Julia the Muslim!
Welcome to the deen BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D:D:D:D
Backtracking again are we Raj?
Never mind. You're not the first and definitely won't be the last.
At least I'm progressing, you seem to be regressing.
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If bad (Ali) becomes better. Better (Raj) turns best on this site.
The moment I see you denouncing Mohammad I will leave Ali Sina. You have to spit upon Mohammad along the lines you had agreed.
I do not have faith in Muslims and so you have to denounce your Mohammad first. I will follow suit.
But I can safely bet that you are not yet ready to leave Mohammad and Islam and Allah.
You have already said that Mohammad is mad, that Islam is an evil cult. I see progress happening.
Time for your medication Julian.
You're starting to dribble stupidity again.
Bernoulli Trial and you? LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
P@@ssing myself laughing on the floor rolling with tears rolling down my eyes.
Bernoulli Trial and Juian? LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
You can't even spell it let alone understand it!!!
What a fking retarded dimwit.
I've already answered you Alif Lam Mim question Julian. Not our fault it's way above your head.
Now go and make some tea, chai waala and leave the big stuff to us adult intellectuals.
But Iblees doesn't exist according to you Julian?
Oh dear………………………….stuck again are we?
Stick to making the tea, tea boy aka chai waala.
Of course you would say that Julian.
You're not the brightest of spark are you?
Stick to learning the alphabet. You've got more chance of that than understanding 1 of 2!
I would say loser, but you got nothing, trailer trash…….I mean rickshaw trash!
Stuttering again, are we crack-head!
It is a strong sign of insanity (possession by an evil JINN ) to think you did things which you not really did . You did NOT prove anything.
Your evil fake prophet Mohammed suffered if the same disease.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400, for example:
" Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. "
There are more ahadith like this, I only took a short one .YOU CAN FIND THEM HERE ( and elsewhere): http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=…
Yep Julian, I am a crack dealer. I deal my foot up people like you's cracks!
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Trying to work it out are we, retard?
Even if he is an evil shia, he is still better than you Julian!
You dress like a woman, march like a man, talk like a child, shave like a bloke and are a Tranny!!!!!! GOTCHA!!!!!
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Dear of dear oh dear.
My dear Julia
My dear Julia
My dear Julia
You best look in the mirror. You will see the real nightmare!:D
That's because the superglue fell onto his cap locks and he can't afford a new keyboard.
You keep visiting this site, you'll turn more evil Raj!
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Since you have brought it up, where is the public denunciation of Swami Sina as agreed?
I AM REALLY SORRY, ALIEN !!
BUT LOKI IS RIGHT !!
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PROBABILTY .
I KNOW ALSO THAT THIS MAKES YOU ANGRY, BUT IT IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.
I GUESS THIS KIND OF LOGICAL THINKING IS NOT FOR MUSLIMS. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE MUSLIMS OF COURSE !! HAHAHAHAHA ( this laughing hurts again, hey stupid?) !!
MOW COME ON WITH YOUR CHILDISH AND PATHETIC ANSWER …YOU CAN'T LET GO, DON'T YOU !!!
MY ADVISE: BLOW YOURSELF UP FOR ALLAH….THAT IS MORE YOU CUP OF TEA MUSLIM ( biggest insult i van think of 😉 ).
OH..AS YOU SAY …GET OVER IT LOSER !!! 😉
Dear oh dear Julian. Didn't get the daily dose of medication today?
My oh my, you are as thick as two planks of wood.
Anyway, when are you being released?
What I am saying sivaram is, you guys cannot do anything to Islam. Period.
Keep dreaming.
You been schagging your ammi jaan again denialisnoproof?
Come on dude, don't be such a tyrant. At least give her one day off! With all she's done for you, the village, the punters, the swamis, the lezzies and the animals, she deserves a day off. How much kok do you think she can take day in and day out? Have you no heart kid?
THIS WHOLE PROBABILITY
"THING" WAS YOUR ODEA , STUPID !!!
YOU THOUGH IT WAS A BIG DEAL !!
BUT EVEN NOW AFTER UMPTEEN SIMPLE LESSONS IN PROBABILITY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BERNOUILLI TRIAL IS ALL ABOUT !
YOU CAN COUNT FURTHER THEN 1,2 !!
THAT IS YOUR MATH KNOWLEDGE!
YOU MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF AND OF YOUR BACKWARD AND EVIL CULT ( WHICH YOU ADMIT ) ISLAM !!
THANKS AGAIN FOR THAT …YOU DO A GOOD JOB MAKING YOUR CULT LOOK FOOLISH , WHICH IT IS ! HAHAHA !!!(this hurts ,hey?). 😉
And we call the likes of you Julian, crack-heads!
Did I not say, stay off the fking crack?
Show us this proof of demons being capable of the numbers thing please sivaram.
Show us where it has been done. Not some myth, but real and available to check and cross reference.
Exactly where has this rebirth been verified please Sivaram?
Please show us the evidence so that we may carry out our own due diligence.
YOU talk much about crack , ALIEN.
You are a dealer, aren't you ?
ADMIT THIS TOO !!! 😉
Your evil fake prophet the mafioso Mohammed would have liked that for sure.
Aha, Amin-RAT ….you look, dress and march like these "scholars" too!!! GOTCHA !!!! YOU ARE AN EVIL SHIA !!!
AGAIN…ALI(EN)….YOU ARE !!!! HAHAHA !!!!!!!!!
AGAIN…DON'T CALL ME DEAR YOU EVIL , DIRTY, FILTHY OLD MUSLIM !!!
DON'T DO THAT !!
YOU ARE WORSE THEN A HORROR-NIGHTMARE ! YOU CHILDF!CKER !!!! 😉
TO ALI(EN).
"OK, yes, let's agree with you, we are an evil cult. Now what? "
I AM VERY GLAD THAT YOU ADMIT THAT YOUR CULT ISLAM IS EVIL !
WHY DID IT TAKE YOU SOOOO LONG, WHILE IT IS OBVIOUS !!
GO AND TELL THIS TO YOUR MUSLIMBROTHERS !!! HAHAHA 😉
25 shias killed in pakistan http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinionslogged…
Religion of piss is at work
DON'T CALL ME DEAR …YOU EVIL MUSLIM. !!!
WHEN A MUSLIM SAYS THIS TO ME I FEEL VERY INSULTED !
"DIRTY OLD MAN….KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF !"
YAGHHHH !!
YOU ARE IBLEES…YOU ALIEN !!
If you define the Barbarism( sorry it should have been called Arabbarism, Islamism, Mohammadism) of Quran as civilization, we are all enemies of your definition of
civilization
How can a vile, murderous, rapist, lusty bandit be the messenger
of GOD ? After you free yourselves from the clutches of this monster
only you can understand subtle truths of the God-ward path
Yes. That is the truth. In the end all of us will have to die. why leave a trail of
death & destruction behind us. why not live with peace, tranquility, love, kindness
to all beings.
Why should Mohammed have entertained hatred, lust, deception & violence ?
Why are Muslims defending such a Rascal ? Get-rid off this Demon from your
minds. That is the greatest service you could ever render to The True GOD.
Reasoning is the most powerful tool to get at the Truth of any issue.
Since Muslims are acutely deficient in reasoning ability, they are not
at all powerful. Muslims today are surviving because of the Mercy shown
by Non-Muslims. It is not your bravery or valor that is keeping you alive,
but our Mercy. But Muslims think that kaffirs are deceived by Allah into treating Muslims with kindness when they have the upper-hand. Muslims have
no bravery but exhibit the psychology of wolves.
It is Quran which is dripping with hate and poison.
Ali sina's job is the most productive, most meaningful, most merciful job.
Detoxification of a billion odd brains is no mean job.
when we are strong.
God of all mankind – doesn't produce Quran.
If your heart is longing for devotion to GOD, learn about the True attributes of GOD
from the vedic & puranic lore. Leave your allegiance to a Mohammed which is nothing
but assertion of your own lower-mind. Why not , for a change, show an iota of mercy
on humanity at large, by erasing the Demonic concepts of KAFFIR & JIHAD. This iota of mercy will earn for you an ocean of Goodwill from the GOD who is the in dweller of all
hearts.
Muslims are born for the destruction of the world. They do not have a peacetime peaceful agenda.
Like Mohammad, their minds are filled with sex , violence and unrighteousness. Pre-Islamic Arabs had some respect for other people's rights. Mohammad destroyed the Golden Rule ruling the hearts of Pre-Islamic Arabs and created Demons (who typically are self-righteous = unrighteous). The Psychology of De-monism (Narcissism=ISLAM) claiming to be Monism, has spread east and west alike from Arabia. The day will not be far-off when Islam will be thrashed all over the world. Meanwhile let us enlighten ourselves about the true (devilish) nature of Islam and be alert to the false slogans of psuedo-secularists.
HERE COMES THE REAL MUSLIM .. !!
Thank you DramaticEdem…for being honest….at last !
HI ALIEN !!
This Allah of yours is the same idol that was worshipped by the pagans together with 359 other IDOLS. The father of Mohammed (who was NOT a muslim) was called ABDALLAH ( Slave of Allah, REMEMBER 😉 )
YOUR FAKE PROPLET ONLY KEPT THIS ONE AND ….OF COURSE THE BLACK STONE !!!
The Kaaba is the house of Allah…the black stone dwells in the Kaaba, SO THIS BLACK STONE IS ALLAH,… what can it be else?. If is something else…then you muslims do shirk by kissing it and bowing down…SHIRK !!!! AND YOU WILL ALL GO TO YOUR MUSLIM HELL !!! WHERE YOU BELONG ANYWAY …HAHAHAHAHA !! (painful 😉 ) .
But first therte will be "THE PUNISHMENT OF THE GRAVE" for you! BOOOOO…this gives you the creeps,…does it not ?
Yep…this is all very rational.
Hi…Alien !
Silly and childish answer, muslim kid !
WHY ARE YOU STILL AROUND? Are the oil-selling
morons still paying you enough?
BUT REMEMBER: Allah wants you to blow up yourself ! Yes he likes that most of all !
So ,again, don't be a coward and don't be greedy…. go for it!!!
You will be a muslim"martyr" forever ;
By the way: we call your "martyrs" crazy ,brainwashed murderers !
Islam has no rational basis. It is surviving because of fear ( of satanic Allah) and the magnanimity of Non-muslims who are treating Islam as just another religion. With the alert sounded by Ali sina, the world will soon recognize Islam as a cancer of Humanity. This cancer should be removed at the earliest so that Humankind may survive.
kaba is a house of whores very mohammads mother was enjoying orgy to earn her likelihood
Ask your mo to take off his 53 year old coc from 9 year old girl's vagina
Amin riadh it must be very nice of you to be born out of mutah marriage
Once there was a Robber who denied his role in a Robbery.
When the people of the locality proved his guilt conclusively,
he thundered – So What? What can you do to me?
You still are not strong enough to punish me.
That is what this Ali is saying
Demons too are capable of coming up with the number-wonders you have so painstakingly unearthed in QURAN, Mr.Ali. 1. Declaring unprovoked war on innocents is a sure sign of Mohammad's satanic mind
"Your sarcasm carries a wider meaning, which backfires on Muslims and Islam. "
One day Raj . . . you might begin to make sense . . . in the meantime good luck and keep trying.
Could you please ignore "Julia" – whose only purpose – appears to be to troll.
You encourage this person . . . just ignore her/him. There is no need to answer such people.
ESPECIALLY since Sina banned him. And probably has lifted the ban for this EXACT reason.
So why rise to the bait?
[I get the feeling its a him. ]
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You are nothing more than common cowardly troll.
You were supposedly banned . . . all you do is abuse people with cap locks!
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Dear . . . you don't have the capability – just trade insults with Ali.
"SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONLY MUSLIMS AND EVEN ALLAH CAN SWEAR !! MOHAMMED DID MUBAHILA ! "
This is another common trait of "trolls" . .. diversion. Also it is logically fallacious – to conclude what isn't within an argument to deduce.
"1) I PROVED ( YOU ASKED FOR IT) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !"
I asked for no such thing . . . your repertoire isn't limited to swearing and verbally abusing.
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Keep spouting nonsense dear. . . that is all that you do.
rebirth is already verified in thousands of cases. This fact applies equally to all irrespective of your belief. Even a Muslim with no belief in rebirth will be ( have been ) born again
ali the psycho mullah
Is your sister halal for me?
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Ali you little horny biatch
I won't tell my friends name because it is not going to add to the argument .
"I must commend you, you don't half come out with it."
I didn't get this
"And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience."
MAN, ALI(EN)….YOU HAVE REALYY LOST ALL SENSE OF
RATIONALLITY.
Some examples if islamic rationallity.There are many, many more, but you know that ver well. You just keep on going with your childish babbling.
1) you muslims believe that your fake prophet made a trip , on a flying donkey with the face of a woman to the 7(!) heavens. 😉
2) you muslims believe theat your insane camel Mohammed split the moon. 😉
3) you stupid muslims believe in Jinns, made of fire . 😉
4)you muslims believe that Salomon spoke with ants 😉
5) you muslims believe in "the punishment of the frave" 😉
6) you muslims believe that the black stone is something "special". 😉
DO YOU WANT MORE? HAHAHA !! ( hurting hey ?)
BLOW YOURSELF UP MAN, and go to your "rational" islamic whorehouse somewhere(?) above . YOU MADE YOURSELF THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THIS SITE ! PATHETIC FOOLISH KID 😉
// Which is as secular as Pakistan. Your lies get wilder and wilder. //
Your sarcasm carries a wider meaning, which backfires on Muslims and Islam.
Ali – I see progress in you.
The other day, you agreed Mohammad was mad.
Today you agree Islam is an evil cult.
Keep visiting thing this site.
You may change for the better.
@ Ali the muslim –
// If I want to only accept a 1 of 2 position, then that is my choice and my risk. //
Exactly.
Now non Muslims – make their choices and take their risks in a similar way. If they choose they can worship idols. If they choose they can be atheists. If they wish, they can be polytheists.
But the problem arises when Muslims adamantly come and place Quran in our laps. When they come threateningly with the sword. If, we non Muslims make some choices — either logical or illogical that is immaterial — then the Muslims do not allow us to live peacefully. That is the whole point of this website and countless others who have been fighting Islam.
Leave the world alone, and no one will ask what the Muslims are doing.
Ever since Islamic lie was founded by Mohammad and imposed upon people — by his jihad — from that day on, the world has become a living hell for the non muslims. To support Islamic lie, swords are drawn out by the muslims.
This site lists out the attacks by jihadic islamic lies.
historyofjihad.org
Habits die hard she/he can't sleep even without thinking Muslims!
But that's not your concern or problem, is it Julian?
If I want to only accept a 1 of 2 position, then that is my choice and my risk. If I walk into a bookies and place a bet on a horse that loses, that is my choice and my loss. If I place a bet on a winner, then again that is my choice and my gain.
It's all about choices that we make and are responsible for.
You guys that follow Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Atheism or any ism for that matter, don't make any sense to Muslims, whilst on the same token, those that follow Islam make no sense to you guys. It's a very simple formula.
It works both ways.
Get over it.
If I decide to drive my car at 200mph, than that is my choice. If I die doing it, then again, that is my choice and my decision for driving at 200mph so must accept the consequences. Everyone who makes their beds and lie in it, must accept this.
Do I honestly care what you guys do with your lives or what you believe? Never.
I have my own life and responsibilities.
This here for me is what you Indians would call 'time pass'.
A few more days and I'll be on a plane getting on with my life doing what I do best. Making money!
Show what Julian?
Just like your Guru Ali Sina, hey?
How long have you been doing this anti Islamic tripe?
OK, yes, let's agree with you, we are an evil cult. Now what?
Stuttering for an answer are we?
God God God God = Allah Allah Allah Allah.
Get over it Ramcharanteeshwarandhanghan aka Rafiq.
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Typical Indian v Pakistan tripe.
Thank God you retards are far away from us. Stay in that part of the world.
You still reminiscing about 1947 and 1948. What a dimwit!
Which part of Delhi you from Rafiq aka Raghudandran.
Africa. LOL.
Talk about desperation.
Be proud of who you are. Don't be ashamed. I know it sucks being you, but you have plenty compatriots who are the same as you. Dik worshipping Hindus.
What's wrong dik worshipper denialisnoproof? Couldn't get to do your ammi jaan, thus the frustration?
Never mind, you got your sis and abba ji as back up.
The only thing you can burn is your gods when you are schitting the chillies out your a@@ and your back side is burning after a hot curry and your gods are coming out Uranus!
Teri maa di you know what!
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Obviously touched a sore nerve hey, denialisnoproof?
You bragging about your 2mm dik again? OK get your tweezers and magnifying glass out, so you can actually see it.
When you are so stupid and dumb and ask such retarded questions, the Truth is always going to hurt you.
And no, a parable is not a paragraph, in case you get it twisted.
You're so fking thick, you cook your own complimentary breakfast.
Julian mate, No matter what you say, you will always be a dude and you will never understand 1 of 2.
This is your reality.
Accept it and move on. Honestly, it's no big deal.
Stifle you Julian?
Why would aminriadh do that, when you are doing a pretty good job yourself on yourself?
I'm surprised you can even put 2 sentences together.
Listening to you is ground hog day for everyone!
Time for your medication again Julian. It usually wears off after 6 hours.
And no, we Muslims are genius's compared to you as already proven. You so dumb, you get hit by a parked car!
How many times do you need the same answers to understand the answer?
So reading is not your strong point then is it Julian?
How many times do you want the answer? English not good enough for you?
I suggest you back track to one of the posts where you like a parrot repeated the same and got your answer.
Surely you can at least do that.
SO THERE IS IRRATIONALLITY BUT NO RATIONALITY ACCORDING TO YOU ( MUSLIMS ) .
NOW THÁT IS WHAT I CALL IRRATIONAL !!! HAHAHA !!!!
READ YOUR COMMENT AGAIN …AND BE ASHAMED !
NICE TRY !!! ALIEN
BUT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE BLACK STONE !
THAT WAS AN IDOL BEFORE MOHAMMED LIVED. AND IT STILL IS THERE….THE SAME STONE IDOL. 😉
YOUR FAKE PROPHET BOWED DOWN,PRAYED AMD KISSED IT LIKE THE OTHER PAGANS . HE WAS A PAGAN YOU TILL HE WAS 40 YEARS OLD….YOU KNOW THAT. MOHAMMED DESTROYED ALL THE IDOLS EXCEPT THIS BLACK STONE IDOL !!!
THAT IS THE POINT !!
OH, AMIN-RAT…AND MY ONLY PURPOSE IS :
TO SHOW THAT ISLAM IS AN EVIL AND BACKWARD CULT !
THAT IS ALSO THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE , METHINKS.
IF YOU HATE UNCIVILISED SPEACH THEN SHOULD FIGHT YOUR OWN HATEPREACHING MUSLIM CLERICS ALL OVER THE INTERNET !! FOR EXAMPLE LOOK HERE: http://www.memritv.org/content/en/all_clips.htm/
GROW UP KID….YOU ARE FIGHTING IN THE WAY OF ALLAH ! HAHAHA 😉
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONLY MUSLIMS AND EVEN ALLAH CAN SWEAR !! MOHAMMED DID MUBAHILA !
YOU SAY I AM A TROLL, ALLAH SAYS THAT I BELONG TO THE VILEST OF CEATURES (SURAH 8:55 ) AND MUCH MORE. ALI CALLS EVERY NON-MUSLIM THE MUST EVIL NAMES (DUNG SNIFFER …) ETC.
LISTEN AMINRIADH : I ASKED YOU VERY SERIOUS QESTION"S:
1) I PROVED ( YOU ASKED FOR IT) THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !
2) I ASLED YOU WHAT THE CRAZY LETTERS ALIF,LAM.NEEMN,SAAT…ETC. MEAN .
NOW ANSWER !!! SLAVE OF ALLAH ( THIS HOW YOU MUSLIMS CALL YOURSELF ) 😉
Sorry for using big letters, its a habit of mine !!
THE EVIL MUSLIM "SCHOLAR" ARMINRIADH WANTS TO STIFLE ME….OF COURSE !
THAT IS WHAT MUSLIMS ALWAYS DO ( ALLOVER THE WORLD) …IF THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENTS ANYMORE . THEY START WHYNING !!_EVERYBODY SEES WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO!! AND IT IS PATHETIC !!!!!
You are a troll . . . and all you are interested in is swearing and abusing. . .
You are not ONE bit interested in a civil conversation . . . hence you were allegedly banned.
No sane or rational person swears the way you do . . . it just that you are anonymous – hence the cowardly behaviour.
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It is already pretty apparent – you do not have anything to say . . .
I LIKE IT VERY MUCH TO SEE THESE BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS SUFFERING !
HEY…ALI(EN) …YOU CAN NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, WHICH ARE VERY CLEAR, WIT-
HOUT USING LIES AND MIRACLE MUMBO-JUMBO !!
TRY IT !!!
1) ISLAM IS SATANIC!! ( SEE MY PROOF ABOVE ) , I DON'T REPEAT IT 😉
2) WHAT DO THE CRAZY LETTERS ALIF, LAM, ETC. REALY MEAN !
I HAVE ALREADY FIRED AWAY !! ARE YOU BLIND !! READ …MAN, IQRAH …OR CAN'T YOU READ ( LIKE YOUR INSANE CAMEL) . OR ARE YOU SEARCHING THE INTERNET ? HAHHAHA !!!!!( AGAIN) . DO YOU NEED MORE TIME ? HIHIHIH !!! YOU SCHOLARS ON THE INTERNET AND WHERE EVER DON'T ALSO NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS ! GET OVER IT ,
ADMIT IT…YOUR EVIL CULT ISLAM IS ROTTEN AND STINKS. YOU ARE A LOSER !!
Endowed with the faculty of reason and having sound judgement. There you go denialisnoproof. You have your answer concerning rationality.
And you know what part hurts you the most, Islam is a Religion without a mythology. Its teachings are simple and rational. Its appeal is to human reason and conscience.
The famous Italian Orientalist, Dr. Laura Veccia Vaglieri, writes the following about the rational and universal spirit of Islam in her book An Interpretation 0f Islam:
"The Arabian Prophet, with a voice which was inspired by a deep communion with his Marker, preached the purest monotheism to the worshippers of fetish and the followers of a corrupted Christianity and Judaism. He put himself in open conflict with those regressive tendencies of mankind which lead to the association of other beings with the Creator."
"ln order to lead men to a belief in one God, he did not delude them with happenings which deviate from the normal course of nature — the so-called miracles; nor did he compel them to keep quiet by using celestial threats which only undermine man's ability to think. Rather, he
simply invited them, without asking them to leave the realm of reality, to consider the universe and its laws. Being confident of the resultant belief in the one and indispensable God, he simply let men read in the book of life. Muhammad Abduh and Ameer All both state that Muhammad was content to appeal to the intimate conscience of the individual and to the intuitive judgement of man."
ALI(EN) SAID:
"For Muslims, there are only 2 possibilities. There is or there isn't."
BUT LOGIC AND MATHEMATICS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION !
BACKWARD AND BRAINWASHED CRETIN. HAHAHA ..sorry !
THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT WE ARE MAKING !!
LOGICALLY THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES. YEP!
GET OVER IT, IF YOU CAN'T GET IT !
NO…ALI(EN) !
YOU DON'T KNOW WHETER THERE IS ONE GOD, NO GOD, UMPTEEN GODS !!!
YOU AND NO ONE KNOWS! THAT IS YOUR PREJUDICE AGAIN !!! IR RATHER YOUR BRAINWASHING !!!
OTHERWISE: PROVE IT !!!
YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE !!
THIS CAN NOT BE TO DEEP FOR A "SCHOLAR" AND MATHEMATICIAN LIKE YOU ! 😉
SORRY BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH…YOU ARE SOOOO STUPIS AND BACKWARD !!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA (PAINFUL HEY.ALIEN, FOR THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD !!!!!)
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAR I SAY TO YOU . YOU ARE ASHAMED ! AND YOU SHOULD BE !!!
YOU GAVE NO LOGICAL ANSWER …CERTAINLY NOT A SCHOLAR (?) WORTHY !.
ESCAPING IS NOT ANSWERING !!
AND WHAT ABOUT MY ALIF-LAM-MEEM QUESTION ?? WHERE IS THE ANSWER ?
AND ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !! I ONLY USED YOUR BELOVED "NOBLE" QURAN !!!
COME ON ….HMMMM SCHOLAR !!!! 😉
You are a gluten for punishment aren't you Julian?
Exactly what trouncing do you want me to give you now? I told you in one split second I will give you the answer on Alif Lam Mim, which you are still trying to digest and are stuttering in your speach.
Now what do you want to learn? Go on, fire away.
The only purpose of this individual is to abuse . . . nothing else.
There are similar answers left all over these comments sections.
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Sina of course – claimed he banned him/her . . . but hasn't – as this person provides one good function . . . to verbally abuse people. Something He himself resorted to . . .
That is to – swear at anyone who is apparently a Muslim.
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A mistake to reply obviously . . . mostly I don't. But the above was to clarify. . .
HI ALI(EN)!
DON'T FORGET ALSO TO ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT THE STRANGE LETTERS IN THE QURAN :
ALIF,LAM, MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM,SAD; ALIF,LAM,RA ; ALIF,LAM,RA; ALIF,LAM ,RA ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM,RA ; ALIF, LAM,RA ; ALIF,LAM,RA ; KAF, HA, YA, 'AYN, SAD;
TA,HA ; TA,SEEN,NEEM ; TA,SEEN ; TA,SEEN,MEEM ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM ; ALIF,LAM,MEEM;
ALIF,LAM,MEEM; ALIF,LAM,MEEM; YA,SEEN ; SAD ; HA, MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM,AYN,SEEN,QAF; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; HA,MEEM ; QAF ; NUN ;
YOU KNOW THEM, OF COURSE…AND THERE ARE MANY, SO THEY MUST BE IMPORTANT TO ALLAH AND MOHAMMED !!
WHAT IS THEIR MEANING ???
PLEASE NO NONSENSICAL ANSWERS LIKE : THEY ARE A MIRACLE OF ALLAH , OR THEY ARE BEATIFUL, OR ONLY ALLAH KNOWS…OR CHEAP COPY/PASTING . THAT IS CHILDISH AND RIDICULOUS. MANY TIMES THE LETTERS ARE FOLLOWED BY ALLAH SAYING THAT HIS BOOK IS CLEAR ETC. SO,AGAIN, THEIR MEANING MUST IMPORTANT AND LOGICAL , GOD IS NOT STUPID !!!!!!
TAKE YOUR TIME … 😉 YES…TAKE YOUR TIME…YOU WILL NEED IT !
You are wrong!
For all educated humans – all the possibilities are on the menu – out of which Muslim like you take two flavours in your plate and one only to eat. That does not mean that there are no other possibilities.
Your bias makes the other items on the menu card useless for you – but that does not mean that those items are not at all there.
Since you are hedging your bets, I would say the way you are doing is unscientific.
Now suppose just suppose, Allah is there, but not the one true God, but as Satan, — and if actually this statement is true —
in this event how does flipping the coin help?
Have you factored in this possibility?
If not, then the respect I had for all your arguments which tended to be logical falls to the ground.
I suggest you read my reply about the Kaaba and it's significance as being the House of God, Julian. I have already answered your last ditch attempt to another fool in another post. The Kaaba is the House of God and not an Idol dimwit, so facing the House of the Lord cannot be idol worship as God Himself has given these instructions, just like he did to Abraham. Or are you also saying Abraham was also an idol worshipper by doing the same? Which means Jews and Christians are also idol worshippers? Please.
What else do you have to clutch onto…………………….nothing?
So we will start from the beginning again where you will say the same old tripe and get the same old answers and you will keep repeating this until you die after which you will be cremated and then the real punishment and life for you unbelievers will start.
Anything else you want to say?
There is no such thing as 'rationality' – according to Muslims. . . I have pointed out your fallacious arguments and lies – at appropriate points.
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For example simply leaving small comments that are hate-filled, full of lies and insults . . . is irrational.
Which part of Africa? And are you – yourself African or not?
"We effed pakistan in 1971 and created a secular nation called bangladesh . "
Which is as secular as Pakistan. Your lies get wilder and wilder.
That's your prerogative Raj, whether you want to hedge bets or not.
For Muslims, there are only 2 possibilities. There is or there isn't.
There is no such system without a God, which will pay back what you have done to others. The system of Darwinism, which is all about natural selection with no God/ Deity, is the system the likes of Ali Sina promotes. If there is no God, we have absolutely nothing to worry about when we die. Period
So, from a Muslim point of view versus Atheism, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain with a 50/50 chance of their being a God or no God.
This was the jist of my hedging my bets with a 50% advantage all the time, every-time. You Hindus will have a different take as you guys believe in reincarnation so the probability of sequences will creep in, but for Muslims, we only die once, after which we will know whether Darwin was right or God was right.
So it is like just one flip of the coin. Heads or Tails and not sequences. We only get one crack at the whip to find out.
OH,ALI(EN)…AND PLEASE NO SILLY EXCUSES AGAIN LIKE:
THE TRANSLATION IS NOT CORRECT…OR….YOU MUST READ IN ARABIC …HMMM….CLASICAL ARABIC…AND SO ON AND ON…. HAHAHA . YOU YOURSELF KNOW THESE STUPID EXCUSES IF COURSE VERY WELL …;-) 😉 😉
COME ON….BE HONEST AGAIN, LIKE YOU ADMITTING YOUR PREJUDICE AGAINST US NON-MUSLIMS !!!
THANK YOU ALI(EN) ! 😉
BUT WHAT ABOUT MY PROOF THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC !!!??????????
A "SCHOLAR" LIKE YOU …;-) (or perhaps AMIN-RAT…;-) ) SHOULD KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS ONE !!! HAHAHA !
I'M SURE YOU CAN NOT ! BECAUSE I USE YOUR OWN QURAN. !
BUT SOME TAQIYYA MUSLIM WILL SURELY COME WITH SOME SILLY DRIVEL … NAME CALLING…TU QUOQUES….AD HOMINEMS…ETC.
WE KNOW THAT !! BUT LOGICALLY YOU CAN NOT REFUTE IT !!! 😉 😉 😉
HMMM…THE BLACK STONE IS VERY TANGIBLE , DON'T YOU THINK ?
But you are ashamed ! THIS IDOL WAS ALREADY IN THE KAABA BEFORE the year 622 . THE PAGANS USED TO WORSHIP IT , AND OF COURSE YOUR EVIL FAKE PROPHET TOO !!!You know that of course 😉 AND THE MUSLIMS STILL DO IT ! AGAIN : IT IS AN IDOL !!
THE BIGGEST SIN A MUSLIM CAN DO…SHIRK. WORSHIPPING SOMEONE (THING) ELSE BESIDES ALLAH !
AND YOU SAY : "IS THAT ALL JULIA ? "
YOU ARE A TAQIYYA "SPECIALIST",ALI(BABA) , BUT A VERY STUPID ONE !
Nobody knows your or your evil muslimbrothers either !
Nobody is interested !
We are fighting Islam !!!
THIS BACKWARD DOCTRINE !
Alif Lam Mim means only one thing
MUSLIMS ARE FOOLS.
TAK BEER ?
CHEERS !! ALI .
I am surprised….i thought you muslims do not drink alclhol.
TAK BEER !!!!!! 😉
RIDICULOUS KID … blow up yourself you coward…for allah !
I know you can't sleep without thinking Muslims. We experience those vibes alas ! you are so old !
Why go to the trouble of asking everyone Julian?
I'll tell you in a split second what they mean.
We cannot ascribe any particular meaning to these letters. Any particular meaning that these letters might have is known only to God. There you go dimwit.
But, these letters serve to highlight the literary nature of the Quran, which you will never understand.
And just before you make your predictable comment of the Quran thus has meaningless words, the meaning here is that the discourse is starting, so it is known that a new chapter is beginning and the previous one has ended. It serves to distinguish between speech acts. This is something known in the speech of the Arabs.
Introducing a speech with disjoined letters as a stylistic means for beginning an eloquent discourse was not strange to the people at the time that the Quran was revealed. This is why the unbelievers in Mecca never made an issue out of these letters, though they would go to great pains to find whatever they could to criticize Islam.
So, you Julian, can keep speculating until the cows come home.
Oh… I do love it when I hammer the Hindus.
I will say this once and once only to you Julian.
Stay off the crack!
CHILDISH REPLY !
Ali both your possibilities are wrong!
Use you head to find out other possibilities/options. You may want to make your bets more safe.
One possibility you forgot to factor in:- A true God is there, but Allah is the Devil/Satan.
Yet another possibility may be – there is a system in place – but not controlled or determined by a God. But this system pays you back, the same way you have done to others.
Now rework your calculations further with two of these possibilities. There may be other possibilities which cannot be ruled out.
But for start, you can work with the two options I suggested.
If asked my opinion, unlike you, I do not see here any possibility. I see one and only one possibility here. I would not hedge my bets like you.
We effed pakistan in 1971 and created a secular nation called bangladesh .
next target is balochistan
ali the chosen "sl@t" who will get to be f_ked by vigin donkeys 😀
For muzzies peace means surrendering his brain to a pimp god allah and insulting means getting spit at by entire mankind
allah is a lousy biatch
sealed my heart ? but my heart is pumping blood normally.
parable ? Ask your allah to suck my kock .
Idiotic mullahs when confronted with rationality will bark these words .muzzies are enemies of civilization.
ask your allah to send some virgins to me . Madam allah 😀
c_u_n_t is the big vagina in kaba which is licked by millions of muzzies
I did say you was stupid, didn't I Julian? It's right in front of your face but you still refuse to see it.
I will ask again:
Now say, if we agree that the term is deceive and deciever, not scheme, then what?
Do you understand the following sentence retard? 'They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter'.
Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?
Take your time.
When you die, there are only 2 possibilities numb-nuts. Either there is a God and He will decide your fate or there is no God, so no worries, no fate.
1 of 2. Just like a coin toss, once. Not twenty times, but once.
A bit too deep for Julian. Stick to the HAHAHAHAHAHA lines.
You're Welcome Julian!
Get your rupees out you retard. How else do you think the piece of schit is going to be made? He needs another 8 million USD in order to make it, so start begging for the money denialisnoproof.
Go on, do the whipround and start fund raising. You should be able to complete it in 2350!
+1
Kid yourself not Julian!
You are a dude living in India period. You can stand on top of the mountain and shout to your hearts content, but you will always be a man unless, you go for the s-e-x change. And we all know you cannot afford that coming from the bottom of the barrel village.
If you was smarter than me in any, way, shape or form, I'd become a Hindu like you and start worshipping Iphone 5 when it is released. And we all know the answer to that, don't we, Julius?
Stick to the ranting and raving Julian, as one day, you may just work out why you yell into an envelope and claim to be sending a voice mail!
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"I'd take the curses from you common folk any-time hand down." How old is your brain ? it must be really really damaged !
And please don't you ever replace Allah with God whenever you quote verses from the satanic Quran !
You must have assumed that i am indian, i am not, i'm from Africa !
However "cow worship" is still better than corpse worship ! Allah died 1400 years ago. Maybe if i worship a cow it may give me good milk a delicious meat or other healthy cows, what can you possibly get from a dead psychopath ?
Comprehension was never something you grasped denialisnoproof, thus your mind boggling level of stupidity.
It means God has sealed your heart, hearing and sight, and you could neither see the guidance nor hear, comprehend or understand it. In other words, you are void of wisdom.
It's a PARABLE you thick k-uu–nn–tt.
Touching a sore nerve am I, Julian?
Don't worry, I'm not even taking you seriously due to your stupidity. I'm just humiliating you at will.
Your intellect level is so defunct, it took you 2 hours to watch 60 minutes!
And you got the nerve to question the 'chosen ones'. Is it our fault, you decided to worship cow dung?
You got as much chance of destroying Islam as you have of personally living on Mars within the next 30 days Julian. NEVER!
Drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream
Drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream
Enemies of Civilization ?
If your way of civilization includes killing maiming raping and destruction then yes we are barbarians.
In 14th century there was a university of nalanda which khilji attacked and burnt . You know the recorded time took for burning all the books was 6 months.
today if we pile up all the muslims and burn you . you wont even burn for 3 days . Fuking cousin f_ckers
:p Your god says that we are dumb ,deaf and blind.
If I was blind how could I type this message?
May be some one is paying you or you have taken virgins in heaven very seriously 😀
Enjoy
Why did allah ask noah to build the arc?
OH…ALI DID YOU THINK LONG ENOUGH NOW ABOUT MY QUESTION CONCERNING THE STRANGE LETTERS IN SURAH
2:1 ETC.
ALIF,LAM MIM.
OH …THIS IS OF COURSE NOT A MIRACLE OF ALLAH. I THINK EVEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT….DO YOU ??? HAHAHA !! 😉
YEP,AL ,I AM A WOMAN !!! AND I AM SMARTER THEN YOU 😉 sorry!
AND THAT MUST HURT YOU, BEING A "PROUD" but stupid MUSLIM !!
AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION :
I'M NOT AN INDIAN, NOR A HINDU,NOR A BUDIST !! THE WORLD IS MUCH BIGGER THEN YOU THINK WITH YOUR BRAINWASHED LITTLE BRAIN !!
I AM A FREETHINKER ! I DON'T NEED SOME BACKWARD IMAM TO TELL WHAT TO THINK OR WHAT TO BELIEVE !!!
BUT YOU CAN NOT EVEN IMAGINE SUCH FREEDOM, BECAUSE YOU STILL LIVE IN THE 7th CENTURY WITH YOUR INSANE CAMEL ,YOUR PERFECT ROLE-MODEL, THE FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED !!!
GROW UP , MAN…LOOK AROUND IN THE WORLD….EDUCATE YOURSELF !! THIS IS 21th CENTURY !!!! 😉
ALI (BABA) SAID :
"If our God does not exist, then why are you 'getting your knickers in a twist' about Islam, Julian? "
THIS ALSO VERY SIMPLE , INBRED CRETIN !
YOUR EVIL CULT ISLAM (STILL) EXIST !!! AND THÁT IS OUR PROBLEM !
WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ( NON-EXSTING ) GODS !!!!
IT IS THE BACKWARD DOCTRINE OF ISLAM WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST !!
I don't care if you believe in a stone, a rat, or whatever ! But Islam wants to take away our freedom, our dignity and even our lives. AND OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT ! AND THAT IS WHY WE WILL DESTROY THIS EVIL CULT !! WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT !!!! 😉
EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSATANDS WHAT I SAY HERE,
ONLY YOU DON'T !!!
AND WHAT IS THE POINT I'M MAKING TIGHT NOW ALI (BABA) ?
TAKE YOUR TIME, AS YOUR ALWAYS SAY !! HAHAHA!
YOU ARE PATHETIC AND RIDICULOUS , BUT YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB FOR US…SO PLEASE STAY AS LONG AS YOU CAN !!
Your muslimbrothers (and your fake god allah) however will not like your stupid behaviour !!! 😉
They will be very ashamed …and they should be 😉
SOME MUSLIMS ARE CLEAN AT THE OUTSTDE !!!
This is what Jesus said about you: (bible Matt .23:27-28)
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."
THE BRAINWASHED PARANOID MUSLIM ALI SAID:
" And I openly admit it.
Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison. "
1) Thank you for agreeing , at last, that you and your cult Islam are evil !!
2) Who is this "god"of yours ? Prove his/her/its existence !!!! YOU CAN NOT , EVIL BASTARD !!
THE BRAINWASHED PARANOID MUSLIM ALI SAID:
" And I openly admit it.
Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison. "
1) Thank you for agreeing , at last, that you and your cult Islam are evil !!
2) Who is this "god"of yours ? Prove his/her/its existence !!!! YOU CAN NOT , EVIL BASTARD !!
EUROPE…..A RACE ?
YOUR HATE HAS MADE YOU MAD ….AMIN-RAT !!!
ARGUMENTUM AD NUMERUM FALLACY !!! VEERY STUPID OF YOU AGAIN, MUSLIM (BIGGEST INSULT POSSIBLE !) ALI-BABA!! 😉
And I openly admit it.
Even God Himself has cursed you f–ckers! So my prejudice towards you enemies of civilizations is mild in comparison.
And what was this friends name denialisnoproof?
E.T. by any chance!
I must commend you, you don't half come out with it.
And your point is ????? Julian?
@Julia
________Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times______
Qurani Allah is exact opposite of this. How can be a God merciful who will punish the people till eternity. All the philosopher, scantiest, social activist who are/were/will non-believer in Mohammed will be punished severally in hell by Allah.
___Quran 1.1 : "(I begin this book) In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." (1*:1.)_____
If (the Mohammedan) God be merciful, why has He sanctioned that men should inflict great suffering on other creatures by killing them for their food? Are not these animals innocent? Are they not His creatures? He should have also advised men to begin only good deeds in His name and not evil ones. Thus the passage (under discussion) is quite ambiguous. Should even such sinful acts, as theft, adultery, untruthfulness in speech, begun in God's name? Very likely it is on account of this ambiguity that the (Mohammedan) butchers etc., mutter "In the name of God, the compassionate, the most Merciful as the moment of cutting the throats of cows and other animals."
It is clear then that the Mohammedans do begin even evil deeds in the name of God. The Mohammedan God can never be called Merciful, because He shows no mercy towards those animals (whose slaughter He sanctions). If the Mohammedans do not know the true meaning of this passage, its revelation is of no use to mankind. But if the Mohammedans interpret it differently, we should like to know what its plain meaning is.
Praise be to God, the Lord of all creatures, the Compassionate, the Merciful." (1: 1, 2.)
C. ~ Had the God of the Qoran been the Lord of all creatures, and been Merciful and kind to all, He would never have commanded the Mohammedans to slaughter men of other faiths, and animals, etc. If He is Merciful, will He show mercy even to the sinners? If the answer be given in the affirmative, it cannot be true, because further on it is said in the Qoran "Put Infidels to sword," in other words, he that does not believe in the Qoran and the Prophet Mohammad is an infidel (he should, therefore, be put to death). (Since the Qoran sanctions such cruelty to non-Mohammedans and innocent creatures such as cows) it can never be the Word of God. http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterfourteen…. (Light of Truth)
"God says: And they, the disbelievers among the Children of Israel, schemed, against Jesus, by assigning someone to assassinate him; and God schemed, by casting the likeness of Jesus onto the person who intended to kill him, and so they killed him, while Jesus was raised up into heaven; and God is the best of schemers, most knowledgeable of him (Jesus). ONLY TAQIYYA MUSLIMS LIKE YOU DON'T SEE THE EVILNESS IF THIS EXPLANATION !
No real GOOD god would behave in such a DECEIVING way !
YOU ARE BRAINWASHED MAN, YOU CAN'T THINK CLEARLY AND WTHOUT BIAS !!
The best you can do for alla and all of humanity is…..to blow up yourself. Donlt be a coward and a hypocrite !
"Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times in the Quran, and the term khayru al-makireen is used only twice. I wonder which one you Islamophobes focus on? How one could twist this into something negative, I don’t know, but I guess Islamophobes are very adept at twisting things. "
NOW THÁT IS REALLY STUPID!!
EXAMPLE: Assume someone is 300 times good to you but he he deceives you 2 times ! Do you trust this person? Or do you think he is a deceiver? Do YOU SEE IT !!
You still don't get ot Muslim ( =big insult).
There could be more Gods for example. YOU MUST FIRST PROVE THAT THERE IS ONE OR NO GOD !!!
You don't know if there are only 2 possibilties . It is really simple , even for a muslim to understand !
A COIN HAS ONLY 2 SIDES !!!
You can only think as a brainwashed muslim !
I see the medication is wearing off Julianchandra!
Angry, and at retards like you? You've got more chance of you flying to the moon with Richard Branson paying only 10 rupees for the fair on Virgin Galactic.
I just take my time and demean you to-s-s-ers at will. Your stupidity levels in fact make me laugh and are setting new records.
😉
My friend is a muslim he once said muslim areas are dirty .
I didn't ask or tell him any thing but he himself told that .
You mean when I took your compatriot Loki to school and back concerning 1 of 2, and all he could do is witter on about probability in sequences when we were dealing about a one off event and no sequences! Which judging by your comments, you don't even have a clue about.
That being the case, you're so dumb, you would starve if ever you locked yourself in a grocery store.
😀 raghunandan ? nice work bro . this shows your profound prejudice against hindus
I din't say hinduism is precise.
I feel that you should use brain and be more rational.
Do not forget change is the only constant.
keep change your mentality .see the world as it is .
By the way which madrasa did you graduate from?
Take for eg the topic of miracle of water cycle in quran .
this is some made up shit by zakir naik
we can easily prove that islam is lie.
you should better read everything alisina says in this website cross verify it with your quran and hadiths . we are not fighting islam because it has mistakes but because it is a ideology which poses great danger to humanity.
AD HOMINEMS !!! ONLY AD HOMINEMS !!!
ILLOGICAL MUSLIM 😉
YOU PROVE OUR POINT !!
ISLAM IS EVIL !!
THANK YOU MUSLIM 😉
MUSLIMS ( AMINRIADH, ALI etc.) asked to prove that Islam is SATANIC !! HERE IS A PROOF .
Who is the devil ? Also called SATAN. (n.b. Many other surahs come to the same cinclusion).
Surah 22:4 says:"It has been decreed for every devil that whoever turns to him – he will misguide him and will lead him to the punishment of the Blaze."
So the devil (Satan) is (are) the one(s) who sends people astray !
What is the NAME of the entity in the QURAN that misguides people and sends them astray ?
Surah 4:88 says: "What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance]."
SO THE NAME IF THE ENTITY THAT SENDS PEOPLE ASTRAY IS ALLAH !!
CONCLUSION: ALLAH IS (A?) SATAN.
ISLAM IS THE RELIGION WHICH ALLAH ONLY APPROVES (Surah 3:85) . SO ISLAM IS SATANIC !! Q.E.D.
Dream on rafiq aka raghunandan.
You guys seem to be delusional with a capital D and think cow worship is normal.
I don't pity you pagans, I am amazed at your stupidity.
And after the cow kicks the sh—t out of denialisnoproof, he will immediately fall to his knees and start worshipping the sh—-t.
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How comes you haven't tumbled it then denialisnoproof, if Islam is a house built on cards and anyone can tumble it?
Are you finally admitting your feebleness or you still believe you are stupid? Take your pick of the two.
Is that it Julian?
At least give something remotely tangible.
NO ANSWER OF COURSE OF THE BACKWARD MUSLIM QURRATALAYN !!! 🙂
Julian is a man. A Hindu man form India subscribing to Hinduism to be precise.
Just like you denialisnoproof. A Hindu and a nasty one at that.
For you to believe Julians replies to be intelligent, sums up your own intellect deficiency.
But what can we expect from someone like you who is so dumb, you could trip over a cordless phone!
ALL AD HOMINEMS, "SCHOLAR" AMIN-RAT !!! 😉
PROOF: The blackstone you muslims are kissing !!
But there is much more: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
FOR proof see: http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
This will make you angry…I know !! 😉
Dream fking on denialisnoproof. The only thing you are going to bring down is the your bed from the roof.
NO LOGICAL ANSWER OF COURSE OF THE "SCHOLAR" AMIN-RAT !!! 😉
AMINRIADH: " But I know my way around Classical Arabic pretty well. " HERE IS HOW I EXPERIENCED IT:
Muslims to non-muslim who critisizes Islam:
1) Muslim(smiling) "You don't understand Islam. Read the Quran yourself."
2)Non-muslim: "But I have read the Quran in English."
3) Muslim: "you have read the wrong translation".
4) Non-muslim: "I read Yusuf Ali" as many muslims do themselves!
5) Muslim ( haughty smiling) : "you have to read the Quran in Arabic".
6) Non-muslim : "I did, and it was even more disgusting and violent"!
7) Muslim (angry !): "You have to read the Quran in CLASSICAL Arabic"!!
8) Non-muslim : "I try to, but the oldest Qurans have no diacritical signs, many words are missing, etc. … every 5th sentence is completely unreadable, even Arab-scholars can't read it".
9) Muslim ( furious and violent now) cries: "YOU EVIL KAFIR, YOU ARE CRAZY!!…YOU WILL BURN in HELL !!!"
@Julia .As Ali is a devout muslim . he has to believe whatever quran bullschits about.
qurant says women are less intelligent than men ,He thinks you are a man as you are more intelligent than him and giving befitting replies .
Bubba ali is this why you are thinking that julia is a man?
your muhammad used to have sex with his umpteen wives even if they were undergoing period. muzzies in india live like a parasites in india
muslims are clean ? come and see how muslims are living in india
Hi Ali wassup
If islam is wrong we are going to bring down it's institutions in our country .
that's our aim
YOU ARE REALLY ANGRY ,HEY ALI-BABA !!! YOU ARE NOT AS "COOL" AS YOU ALWAYS PRETEND TO BE !! 😉
BUT THAT IS GOOD !!! IT MEANS THERE ARE SOME CELLS LEFT IN YOUR BRAIN .
I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU NOR OF YOUR "HELL". HAHAHA !! BACKWARD RETARD . YOU HAVE A 7TH CENTURY MINDSET .!!!
BUT ASSUME I WILL BURN FOREVER, WHY SHOULD YOU BE SO ANGRY THEN !! YOUR FAKE ALLAH WILL PUNISH ME …YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU MORON. OR DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR SUPPOSEDLY ALLMIGHTY ALLAH NEEDS HELP OF A MORON WHO CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND SOME SIMPLE PROBABILITY THEORY.
WHAT CAN DO HOWEVER IS BLOW UP YOURSELF AMONG SOME INNOCENT PEOPLE ( or muslims ) ALLAH LIKES THAT VERY MUCH ….YOU KNOW ! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
You are a Muslim Ali-Baba so of course you THINK you are a genius. ! 😉
That is what your fake prophet The Insane Camel ( al insan al kamil) Mohammed also thought of himself…and you must follow and obey this evil bastard !!!!!
You even proved to be a genius with your invention of a new Probabily theory and a new principle of equal likelyhood!
It was very funny to see how LOKI destroyed you ! Sorry man…but you are REALLY STUPID !!! And ridiculous HAHAHA !!!!!
In the same manner Islam will be destroyed ….with the SIMPLE TRUTH 😉
GET OVER IT !!! 😉
"the chosen one" you can keep telling yourself that as long as you wish, you can believe in your materialistic heaven as hard as you want, it will never be true my dear friend. I pity you… Seriously !
I am not a dude, I am a woman. I told you that before. But even thát you can get in your head.
LOKI got you red handed Ali-Baba.You don't understand probability…and thát is the truth you have to live with. But you can not admit, because your a supemacistic muslim. Even if you are clearly wrong …you still think you are right.!!
And then you start calling names , because you have no arguments left.
You are childish and pathetic…and in your heart you know it.
But go on trying to be "cool" and let us laugh some more!!
You can't even stop you backward babbling !
HAHAHA !!!
@Julian. Not too bright are we retard?
Considered that God is called Merciful over 300 times in the Quran, and the term khayru al-makireen is used only twice. I wonder which one you Islamophobes focus on? How one could twist this into something negative, I don’t know, but I guess Islamophobes are very adept at twisting things.
The term khayru al-makireen is first used in verse 3:54 of the Quran:
And they schemed (against Jesus) and God schemed (against them), but God is the best schemer.
The context of this verse can be found in Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, as follows:
God says: And they, the disbelievers among the Children of Israel, schemed, against Jesus, by assigning someone to assassinate him; and God schemed, by casting the likeness of Jesus onto the person who intended to kill him, and so they killed him, while Jesus was raised up into heaven; and God is the best of schemers, most knowledgeable of him (Jesus).
So, that is the context in which God “schemed", similar to the one mentioned in 8.30, but you dudes want to clutch at straws.
When one schemes, it's known as a plan and God has a systematic plan for the likes of you Julian. And that plan is…………………you fkers will burn in Hell-fire for eternity! 😀
Now say, if we agree that the term is deceive and deciever, not scheme, then what?
Do you understand the following sentence retard? 'They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter'.
Does this mean they are liars for fooling the enemy, or smarter for fooling the enemy?
Take your time.
You still talking Julian?
You know there is help out there for retards?
I don't know about India and the schit infested village you come from, but over here, it's world class.
I might be crazy in your books, but to be fair, who isn't to you, however, compared to you I am a genius.
I'm surprised you haven't got a sign on Uranus, saying 'open for business, come on in'!
Don't worry mate, your'e not the first and definitely won''t be the last.
You are so stupid you sold your car for petrol money and when you go to sleep, you take a ruler to bed to see how long you slept!
If our God does not exist, then why are you 'getting your knickers in a twist' about Islam, Julian?
STFU and get on with your schitty life.
Make your mind up dikwad.
You still here Julian?
Ain't you meant to be back at the Yerawada Mental Hospital where a dik worshipper like you is a permanent resident? You was only on accompanied home leave for the weekend.
Get back you retard.
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A fool supporting a fool doesn't become a genius Julian!
You believe Jupiter created you. And as far as 1 of 2 is concerned, your logic is more than likely that of Loki's. Even a retarded infant could tell you what 1 of 2 means. But, You are Hindu Indian, so what do we expect.
See ya dude.
BAD LUCK TO YOU , ALI(BABA) !!
I KNEW IT !!!. I KNEW HOW YOUR ANSWER WOULD LOOK LIKE ! BUT IT IS,OF COURSE, NO ANSWER AT ALL !!
WHAT AN ARROGANT MUSLIM-BASTARD YOU ARE !
But you are funny and helpful ! People see how quasi-intellectual muslims think ! HAHAHA
You are accusing me of being irrational .so please explain me what is rationality according to muslim .
"We here is a group of rational people . "
Your stupidity often is astounding . . . your use of "we" did not refer to a group of rational people. That would be an idiotic comment to make . . .
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"I will try to mend it not like muslim brain dead idiots . "
No you won't – this is rather obvious from the comments you write.
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"So please educate me what is rationality "
If you claim to be already rational . . . then why is it that you need educating in it?
We here is a group of rational people . Hindu is my cultural identity . If there is something irrational in my ideas or in culture I will try to mend it not like muslim brain dead idiots .
Who follow every thing like herd of sheep.
So please educate me what is rationality
"No We understand the rationality unlike muzzy sub humans who get indoctrinated instead of getting educated"
There is no "we" where you have inserted it. Also as a Hindu – you go through the same indoctrination process. . . you language style, tone and etc – reveal you to be nothing more than a 'troll'.
You do not have the ability to string a single decent argument together. . . I am not sure yo even understand the basic concept and the difference between what is and isn't an argument.
Hence – this is probably the reason why you said "we" rather than "I". A bit cowardly . . . attempting to hide behind a group . . . rather than bravely flying your own flag.
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You simply come here to vent such comments . . . why? They don't make a difference to anything . . just mindless swearing . . . intimating on your own sad state of mind.
They are not intelligent . . . or elucidate any knowledge. . . . I hope you draw some comfort from them . . . and they at least make you feel better!
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As far as 'rationality' goes . . . my dear . . . you need help – in more ways than one. To reason is beyond you . . . to rationalise is a stage higher. . . you have no hope of getting there . . . with your present state of mind.
Ali sina Zindabad .
I will watch your movie first say first show if it is released in india.
How can we contribute for your movie?
No We understand the rationality unlike muzzy sub humans who get indoctrinated instead of getting educated. Islam is a house built on cards ,anybody can tumble it. The only two pillars of islam are blasphemy law and apostasy laws
"Call me liar from now till death. How long would that be? 70 years from now? That won't change the simple truth. Many see the truth and don't recognize it or don't want to admit it. "
Yet in the above matter . . . you know full well – you lied. And you cannot get away from that – with mere words . . . not when all evidence fails you.
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"How can one prove years of study of an ancient language? "
By showing your knowledge . . . and not merely claiming it. . . .
THAT IS A BIT OBVIOUS!
Hence – you lied about it. If you haven't . . . then why did you resort to such patronising BULLSHIT?
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"Prove to me that Allah is the true God, can you do that? "
Yet this is DIVERSION . . . . from the above. I am not asking you anything more than prove your imagined "years of study" of Arabic.
When you are CLEARLY unable to do so . . . you resort to BS such as above . . . which logically fallacious on more than one count.
Don't piss about . . . . either answer – or leave it.
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"I on the other hand can prove that Jesus is the true God (inside and outside scriptures). "
No you cannot – But finalise the above first.
Simple – you claimed supposed knowledge of Arabic. . .
. . . .simple question of proving it . . . and you went to pieces.
Hence – YOU LIED – And I have successfully exposed that.
Hans Wehr is a simplified dictionary . . . for better and detailed explanation . . .
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
Even better – is to refer to the Original Classical Arabic lexicons. . . however Lanes is an excellent alternative.
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The trouble with people referring to all such material – is that they do not have the ability to discern or comprehend themselves.
What is the value of using such material as evidence . . . with such open bias?
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It is interesting to note that the site – whenever it is in their favour to do so – will refer to Classical dictionaries and expert materials . . . when it isn't they will leave it out.
Hence – there is only slight reference to such material. And that in the footnotes.
Experts used? Badawi and Yahya. Hardly your first choice of expertise in Arabic.
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For the sake of blowing ones own trumpet – Even I consider myself to have better command of Classical Arabic than Harun Yahya.
YOUR GOD ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST . SO LET HIM CURSE…STUPID BACKWARD
MUSLIM . YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING YOUR IMAM SAYS. YOU CAN AND DARE NOT THINK FOR YOURSELF ABOUT ISLAM !!!
Unnecessary Questioning is Disapproved in Islam , you know that Ali, don't you ?
I think this "thing" Ali is right !
The muslims are the chosen ones. Chosen for hell by their Allah. Quran 19:71. http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/muslims_in…
Your HAHAHA does not prove anything,Julia.
And your lame argument does not deserve our attention.
GOOD WORK LOKI.
THIS ARROGANT MUSLIM IS TOTALLY DESTROYED BY YOU !!
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE FAINTEST IDEA ABOUT PROBABILITY . HOW COULD HE…"
HE IS A MUSLIM !!! HAHAHA !!!
He believes in JINNS ! 😉 😉
"Don't hate mate, don't hate! "
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
AND SO ON AND ON !!!
YOUR ALLAH AND MOHAMMED ARE MUCH WORSE .
READ YOUR EVIL QUEAN ONCE AS ANORMAL HUMAN BEING !!!
HOW MANY TIMES SAID ALLAH (=MOHAMMED) THAT ALL UNBELIEVERS WILL GO TO HELL .
UNBELIEVERES HE HAS CREATED HIMSELF (supposedly) AND THEN BLINDED THEM AND SET THEM ASTRAY!!!
HOW DISGUSTING …INDEED !!!
Issued in Public Interest
Trolling is natural outcome of long lasting hatred phenomenon mastered by group of community people mostly lacking intellectual capabilities.
Its always sign of low intellectuality and intelligence when folks run for shadow instead of real object where shadow is dependent of light and angel while projecting an object.
Here are some people with dreams of eradicating Islam and some are moved by their interests. Whatever Anti-Islamists try to attack some Islamists will defend and some Islamist will counter-attack on their faiths or understandings.
ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST, IBLEES DOES NOT EXIST, MOHAMMED IS DEAD (if he ever existed !), JINNS DON'T EXIST, HELL DOES NOT EXIST ETC.ETC. !!!
OTHERWISE : PROVE IT !!!
IT is all in your brainwashed head !!
" Read any classical dictionary of of Arabic – It will mention the word مكر means to to strategy against."
NO…Hans Wehr dictionary also confirms the meaning of the term:
makara u (makr) : to deceive (sic!) , delude , cheat,dupe, gull,double-cross.
makr: cunning, craftiness,slyness, wiliness, double-dealing,deception,trickery.
YOU CAN FIND IT ALL HERE : http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver
BUT I ALREADY THINK I KNOW YOUR ANSWER ! 😉
HERE IS GOOFY THE ARABIC AGAIN. !
ARABIC IS JUST ANOTHER LANGUAGE !!! AND THEREFORE IT CAN BE TRANSLATED !! IF NOT…THEN IT WOULD BE A VERY STRANGE LANGUAGE INDEED , IT WOULD EVEN BE WORTHLESS !!!
ANOTHER THING IS THE ARABIC OF THE ( OLDEST) QURANS . THESE BOOKS ARE VERY UNCLEAR ( NO DIACRITIC SIGNS ) , WORDS MISSING ETC.
NO ONE CAN REALLY SAY WHAT IS IN THIS BOOKS, NOT EVEN ARABIC SPEAKING SCHOLARS !!!
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtdmiRnZhI
YEP!!! COMPLETELY WORTHLESS !!!
Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''
YUQYAH or TAQIYYA is a very islamic principle. This means that all muslims are ass-holes too. is it not "point" ?
ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOUR ISLAMIC HELL, YOUR SATAN, YOUR PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE, OF EVIL JINNS ???
Allah sends all sinners to his hell, where they will endure horrible torture.
Don't you beloeve that, Aminriadh ?? Come on man ….
Don't try to escape with some silly answer QURRAT…
Rather tell us what these silly Arabic letters Alif, Lam, Mim mean !!
I know that it are the leters A,L and M.
BUT WHAT DO THEY MEAN ??? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THESE STRANGE LETTERS ?
AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
Or are you yourself a blind person following the blind??
Please a logical and straightforward answer , no beating around the bush , please.
Your Allah says himself that his book is WITHOUT DOUBT,
EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL !!! COME ON !! LET'S HAVE IT !!! 😉
HEY…D NO: "ALLAH KNOWS BEST". That is NOT an explanation at all !!
To the Islamic scholar Aminriadh. You said:
"I have already established what Makkar means ".
NO you did not ! You think (because you are brainwashed) you did , but that is of course not the same ! 😉
But O.K. let's leave that aside . I have another question , which is also very well known, but which is never answered in a "scholarly" (hmmm) way yet !
It is a simple question,really, and I have asked other "scholars" before :
What do the letters Alif,Lam,Mim in surah 2:1 mean ? There are more such letters in other surahs, you know that !
Now since your Allah says that his Quran is WITHOUT DOUBT, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL ,I assume that YOU know the LOGICAL AND UNDERSTANDABLE ANSWER on this question !!
I hope you don't try to escape with some silly excuse !! 😉
VERY GOOD JOB DRAGOSTE7 !!!
That Allah is the BEST OF DECEIVERS is a very painful spot for the muslims !
You can see that they do ALL they can to escape from the simple TRUTH !! I like that . You can see the arrogant quasi-intellectual Amim-rat and the backward AliBaba sweating !!!
Here something else for them to consider !!
If they need so much explanation , then they implicitly say that their fake god Allah is a LIAR . Because many times this demon-god says that his book is easy to understand and clearly explained IN DETAIL !!
So their should not been need for outside sources !
YEP !!! THE TRUTH WILL ALSO SET YOU MUSLIMS FREE !! 😉
Isn't your I.D. is Julia and point? How empty you I have noticed !
OH YES …It ts going to work.!!
MAAKIREEN means DECEIVER !!! OF COURSE BUT YOU DON'T LIKE THIS !!! IT IS THE TRUTH ! MUSLIMS AND ISLAM CAN'T stand the truth !!
Arabic Transliteration: Waqad makara allatheena min qablihim falillahi almakru jameeAAan yaAAlamu ma taksibu kullu nafsin wasayaAAlamu alkuffaru liman AAuqba alddari
Literal tramslation: And those from before them had cheated/deceived/schemed, so to God (is) all the cheatery/deceit/scheme. He knows what every self gains/acquires , and the disbelievers will know to whom (is) the house's/home's end/turn (result).
FOR MUCH MORE ON THIS SEE:
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Dece…
READ IT !! IQRAH !!! HAHAHA !!!
Well Ali Sina does not have to do a psychoanalysis on you brainwashed Ali(Baba).
Even I can do that: You are completely crazy !!
HAHAHA !!! Don't be offended ,muslim !
MAN!!! You are really stupid. I can see why your I.D. is just a point. But that is still to much.
You are completely EMPTY !!! But how can you type that ?
Perhaps { ) , An empty set as in mathemathics ??? HAHAHA !!!
@Dragoste7. Well, why don't you get Ali Sina to do a psychoanalysis on Jesus, just like he has claimed to have done on Mohammed, so he can show all the world including the Christians, by publishing a book! That way, we can all learn about Jesus.
After which he can do one on Moses. And then one on Buddha and then Krishna, so no one feels left out.
He seems to claim, albeit by proxy, to be THE world's leading authority on this and has done something and discovered something that no one has ever done before.
We await.
Just stop howling like dog you alisina and your companions and get ready for your destiny. Alisina you have been declared to murder and after your death alongwith your companions you will come to know the truth but it will be all invain then caz the time would have alrady been passed for you to return. I tell you alisina and your companions, your life has a beginning but has no end and you have to live forever either in jannah or in hell now the choice is yours. Get ready for your end.
"Muslims are hurting Muslims while Christians are offering their homes to Syrian refugees and some Israeli pilots avoided to kill innocents from their sworn enemies. "
Meaningless biffle baffle . . . . especially when Christians themselves are NOT prone to
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The Israeli statement . . . really takes the biscuit. That is example of mercy? That those are somehow good soldiers who didn't kill innocent?
What about all those times . . . they actually did? Or their countless fellows did?
"Your last statement about Jesus shows how little you know about him and the bible. "
Whereas it shows the opposite . . . given how you couldn't even bring a counter-argument. But made one of your usual meaningless comments.
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"Apparently he didn't do that much effort to hush it up did he? "
Actually – any effort made – was disgusting. The right thing – to cull the problem. The real problem is the inhumane requirement to be celibate.
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"And you see he also forgave those corrupted people and instead of I don't know "lash them" or beat them or telling them "you're going to hell", he kept them in Vatican under probation and in a program to heal them. "
Yet you don't bother to mention – WHICH people. Hence another meaningless comment.
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" Believe what you want to believe, you only see that non-Muslims are evil. "
Now you are resorting to open lies . . .
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"Give me a break, my people never harmed others instead they always helped."
Another utterly meaningless comment . . . how am I meant to know who "your people" are.
If it is the Catholics . . . well – then this has to be the most delusional statement ever. . .
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"That's what I was trying to say all along but you have prejudice that you only think that I am trying to justify others violence"
See . . . even in this you lie . . . not others' violence but your own. Also:
"If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did. "
The above and what you later claim – don't go together.
"That's a stupid argument because any country can do and justify its violence the same way Mohammad did. "
Doh! Yet you attempted to justify YOU POTENTIAL violence – by what you are condemning now.
Those were your words. . . that is what they indicate.
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"It's not meaningless when Arab Muslims disagree with you and they are proud that their prophet was a strong conqueror. "
And in context:
"Tell that to Muslim scholars and Mullahs. "
The above statement is as . . . meaningless as ever.
There are good people in every country and every religion.
"See JP II knew about altar boys being raped . . . he sought to keep it under wraps and hush it up. . . "
Apparently he didn't do that much effort to hush it up did he?
And you see he also forgave those corrupted people and instead of I don't know "lash them" or beat them or telling them "you're going to hell", he kept them in Vatican under probation and in a program to heal them.
Many Christians didn't like that decision, they wanted those people to be kicked out of the Vatican.
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"This isn't what you have said above . . . you attempted to justify your own violence . . . as counter-violence. Which many people do. When caught out . . . you sought creative re-interpretation."
That's what you think. Believe what you want to believe, you only see that non-Muslims are evil. Give me a break, my people never harmed others instead they always helped. I wasn't justifying my violence because I never was violent. I was only pointing that thinking in a violent way will backfire. Let me simplify it to you one last time:
according to muslims, Muslims led by mohamad raged a Jihad war and conquered/looted other tribes/countries under the flag of "self-defense". That's a stupid argument because any country can do and justify its violence the same way Mohammad did. That's what I was trying to say all along but you have prejudice that you only think that I am trying to justify others violence while I'm only saying that this IS STUPID.
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"How meaningless. . . . why did you even bother to comment? Who was that statement going to impress? "
It's not meaningless when Arab Muslims disagree with you and they are proud that their prophet was a strong conqueror.
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Your last statement about Jesus shows how little you know about him and the bible.
"Media spotlight didn't stop many cardinals at the Vatican from corruption or raping altar boys."
See JP II knew about altar boys being raped . . . he sought to keep it under wraps and hush it up. . .
where was his forgiveness then?
He only forgave that person . . . because of Media. The only thing to do.
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"If you're a celebrity and you claim that your chicken lay golden eggs, why would you make such claim and risk destroying your reputation? "
Wow . . . what a wonderfully fallacious analogy. How does it equate to JP2 forgiving his potential assassin? It doesn't
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"No I did not change my tune, I was just saying that if I am to follow the logic of the Muslim (which his name only shows as squares in my browser) then I'll have every "excuse" to nuke Muslim countries (that is just to make a point that if we are to think like him, he'll be already nuked). There is nothing deceptive there, only reasoning. Reread the argument above, it's all there. "
This isn't what you have said above . . . you attempted to justify your own violence . . . as counter-violence. Which many people do. When caught out . . . you sought creative re-interpretation.
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"Tell that to Muslim scholars and Mullahs. "
How meaningless. . . . why did you even bother to comment? Who was that statement going to impress?
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"No, according to Jesus, everyone will be judged by how much they loved and helped. No mention to religion when he talked about judgment day. "
Yet a "gentile" – non-Jewish woman bested him . . . The Jesus according to the Bible was a 'stick character' – who only came to the Jews.
This how "much they loved and helped" – means absolute ZILCH.
??I know Israeli killed innocent Palestinians but I was pointing out that there are good Israelis. ??
And there are good Lebanese, good Turks and good Syrians around you. Isn't that make you feel good ?????
Sorry to be off-topic, but what happened to http://www.faithfreedom.org ?
Hopefully it will come back?
WHERE IS THE SITE http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG ??
Do you mean this "And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: “Tell me the names of these if you are truthful.”
They said: “Glory be to You! We possess no knowledge save what You have taught us. Indeed, You alone are All-Knowing, the Wise.”
He said: “O Adam! Inform them of their names.” When he had informed them, Allah said: “Did I not tell you that I know what is unseen in the heavens and on Earth, and I know what you reveal and what you hide?” [Sūrah al-Baqarah: 31-33]
What I understood from Surah is different because I am Arabic speaker…you have problem in translation God test the angles knowledge not Adam's memory …
"They have Sikh and Jewish members. "
So has BNP – something which was simply enforced. However some joined up – in anti-Muslim hate.
EDL – is a Racist group – their origin and leaders are . . . and they are quite violent. Almost all of their demos tend to end in fisticuffs with the Police.
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Anti-Muslims hate has been a good vehicle, for a while, for the BNP as well. Sina's support for this violent group comes from Geller's support for it.
Heaven is full of beautiful girl ready for having sex with muslim/mujahidin…hahaha what a stupid and lust Muhammad
The Miracle you are looking for is right in front of you and I showed you some proofs, which you just couldn't comprehend. The QURAN.
Now you are using the tu quoque fallacy.
You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser.
Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off the accused having to defend themselves and shifts the focus back onto the accuser themselves.
The implication is that if one's opponent also does the thing that they are accused of, then their opponent is a hypocrite. Irrespective of whether this might be true or not, the problem lies in the fact that it is effectively a tactic to avoid recognising and responding to the criticism of one's argument – by turning it back on the accuser, the accused doesn't need to answer the accusation.
It is you that needs to answer and not just brush it under the carpet.
You need to pray for yourself……… to see the Truth.
" John Paul II could have done nothing, neither forgive nor condemn. But he chose not just to forgive but to also help. "
In such Media spotlight – he had NO OTHER OPTION. Simple – what he did WAS NOT EXAMPLE OF FORGIVENESS.
Especially when you consider his lack of "forgiveness" in other matters.
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"Mohammad showed no mercy to his enemies, that's history not my assumption. "
No – those are your words . . . and that is it.
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"You called it deception. I do not wish to Nuke Muslim countries, on the contrary I'm helping innocent Muslim Syrians to settle in my country and feel like home. You have no idea what they've been through. "
You have CHANGED your tune. That is NOT what you implied above . . . . hence deception.
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"According to Quran and Allah such good people will go to hell (since they are not Muslims). What Justice is that? "
tut. . . tut. . . and according to Christianity – all non-Christians will go to hell – no matter what. . . so what justice is that?
"Those pilots ignored orders because they didn't want to massacre innocent civilians. Even though those civilians are Lebanese who are considered enemies. "
huh? Innocent civilians are just that . . . it has always been frowned on killing innocent civilians . . . what you describe is ahrdly earth shatteringly brave or humane.
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"That's part of how you "love your enemy". You may be forced to fight in wars or self-defense yourself but when you have another choice where you can show mercy and forgiveness to your enemy, you must not forget your humanity. "
No one forces IDF . . . and that is NOT what 'loving your enemies' mean.
What? that for once they didn't slaughter innocent? Give me a break.
You tried to pretend to be something and someone that YOU ARE NOT.
And the patronizing. . . attempt. Cor!
You are lying old windbag . . . an I am calling you out over it.
Don't attempt to get out of fix with these fallacious means. . . .
"like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word (what the prophet really meant since it was his language before Islam influenced Arabic)"
This is what you said . . . either prove it or keep quiet.
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"Out of many, the first evidence I would give is that Jesus was tortured, crucified and rose from the dead. "
What the HELL has that got to do with what we were discussing?
Yes move on Ali and keep telling yourself the same lie over and over again.
You used the word "answer" three times in the reply you just wrote. The 3 symbolizes "Trinity" the one and only God and it is the "answer". Do you see how stupid this sounds?
Like I said, anyone can make something look astonishing out of nothing. All that anyone needs is someone stupid enough to be astonished.
By the way, Why mohamad didn't point out such numbers in the Quran? The answer is simple and clear. Muhamad had no idea. The numbers are later gathered by some desperate muslims. Why didn't you count water with soil, embryos…. After all water is more than 80% of our body. Oh I know, that will ruin your precious miraculous numbers.
There are many scholars still till today studying and decoding the bible. They found really weird stuff that makes what you presented so little and nothing.
You're laughing at me thinking I can't give you an answer, but my dear I did. It's not my problem that you do not understand it.
And if you're so proud thinking that Islam/Quran is so miraculous, why don't you show me the real thing. A miracle that happens today, something really amazing done by our God like the old time when he did miracles with Jews? I know your answer will be that Quran is the last miracle and Mohamed is the last prophet, well I got news for you: Continuously (till today) a supernatural miracle happens with us that carries a message from God and Let the true God strike me dead and drag me straight to hell if I'm lying about this. God didn't leave us with just memories but you're too stubborn and full of ego which is blinding you from seeing the truth.
I have to go now, I'll be praying for you hoping that you'll have enough sense to realize the lie you live in.
Hopeless news Junkie what else you come up with "Love your enemy"? World is full of visible hypocrites like you are !!!
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Now you are agreed rational violence is OK. Americans are not Christians ! Fact is that there is no religion in Christians !
Quran don't guide to only fight but have every possible solutions for situations as in war and with enemies !
Jesus hate Christians coz these are shameless Christians who made Jesus as a joker and follow their own rule to announce publicly no we are not Christians to do this !
@Dragostev7. So I take it you cannot answer the question and in turn throw a question back using the personal incredulity fallacy, because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true.
Anyway, Mohammed was mad and an illiterate amongst other claims of you guys, but he still manages to pull of a feat like the one I mentioned to you in the Quran which you cannot answer and can never answer.
Sometimes we just have to shrug our shoulders, smile to ourselves and move on. Just like what I am doing right now.
Better luck next time.
You're getting more aggressive, what did I say to upset you? All I asked is that you do your own search. I didn't ask you to believe me.
Fine you don't want to do your own search, I'll do you a favor and help you out that if you want to of course.
Out of many, the first evidence I would give is that Jesus was tortured, crucified and rose from the dead.
Do you want me to present the evidence?
And your point is?
Anyone can make look like he has significant numbers in his scriptures. lookup more and maybe you can form a DNA code.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/the%20si… http://www.bible-codes.org/bush-bible-code-scroll…
If you're playing it like this, The cellular structure (you can google laminin) that holds our body together is the shape of the cross and there is a bible verse that says that Jesus holds everything together.
Colossians 1:16-17 says, “For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” http://www.faithandhealthconnection.org/weekly-fa…
And if we search more we find more amazing stuff in this science-religion thing like a cross in the black hole captured by Nasa…..
So there's nothing miraculous in what you presented
John Paul II could have done nothing, neither forgive nor condemn. But he chose not just to forgive but to also help.
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Mohammad showed no mercy to his enemies, that's history not my assumption.
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What is this example . . . exactly of?
Of Muslims killing and raping each others. Of people showing no mercy to their own people. If that's what they did for their own people, what do we expect of them when they attack their ennemies?
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You called it deception. I do not wish to Nuke Muslim countries, on the contrary I'm helping innocent Muslim Syrians to settle in my country and feel like home. You have no idea what they've been through.
In Australia, we (Christians) placed pressure on the government to take Syrian refugees. The government accepted to bring Syrians but won't give them shelter. So the Australian families are signing up in churches to accept Syrian families in their homes. That's the condition to grant them a Visa. Do you know how huge this is? To accept strangers in their house who came from different background, To support them and feed them for probably many years to come. They'll be sharing the same roof with their wives and daughters and sons.
That's the definition of "goodness". People in the afterlife will be judged by how good they are and how much they cared and loved not by their religion. According to Quran and Allah such good people will go to hell (since they are not Muslims). What Justice is that?
Asking the right questions is smart. Avoiding to answer them is either laziness or deception.
First of all "America" is not "Christian", it's a county that holds people from different religions.
Wars sometimes are inevitable to happen, but how you act toward your defeated enemy or innocent civilians would show your true Metal.
Israeli pilots 'deliberately miss' targets: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/06/israe…
Those pilots ignored orders because they didn't want to massacre innocent civilians. Even though those civilians are Lebanese who are considered enemies.
These pilots are not Christians, they are Israeli Jews.
That's part of how you "love your enemy". You may be forced to fight in wars or self-defense yourself but when you have another choice where you can show mercy and forgiveness to your enemy, you must not forget your humanity.
Jesus once said "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."
Sadly, we're 2000 years later and many still don't get it.
I would say the same to you, but your ammi is down the local sluut house doing her ruundi job, whilst your abba,…….well, you don't even know who he is as you have a choice of 500 men to choose from. Teri maa was open 24/7 so couldn't keep track of which tramp impregnanted her and your sorry a@@ was born.
Oh well, life must go one even for haraami's like you.
Not pleaseant for you is it being a Dalit and all that.
Don't worry, I will pray for your salvation, even though you won't get it, dik sucker! 😀
I would say the same to you, but your ammi is down the local sluut house doing her ruundi job, whilst your abba,…….well you don't even know who he is as you have a choice of 500 men to choose from. Teri maa was open 24/7 so couldn't keep track of which tramp impregnanted her and your sorry a@@ was born.
Oh well, life must go one even for haraami's like you.
Not pleaseant for you is it being a Dalit and all that.
Don't worry, I will pray for your salvation, even though you won't get it, dik sucker!
So you've returned after giving your sister one in the barn Raj the Dalit.
I told you, I could read haraami's like you like a book.
What next, going to fist fcuk your mum and pi@@ in your beti's mouth? Good boy, keep it up. That way, you can 'kill 2 birds with one stone'.
Just let me know when you want some 'gora' to come over and dush out your females. I'll send a couple of my mates over who really know how to deal with dirty nasty Hindu's like your family members.
They'll even video tape it and put it on the net for all your village pervs to see.
Moving onto the Arabs, they are ready to pay top whack for your nasty family members. They'll even throw in toothpaste with the 1 rupee nightly rate that you guys charge. Pimping ain't easy, but someone has to do it. And who better than you, for your maa, biwi, beti aur behn.
I'll even commission a new movie for the sluuts in your house. Forget Roti, Kapraa Aur Makaan, we'll call it Maa, Biwi, Beti, Behn, Puudi Maar in the Makaan! And you could be lead actor, fcucking all of them together and one by one.
Otherwise, ask Durga if she wants a starring role?
How about it Dalit? You sure could do with the money. It'll help you get a few solid meals in for the week and some soap and water!
Nasty tramp.
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You Dalit Muslim – are you talking about the treatment you are meted out to by your Arab masters? About how you sold your six months daughter to an 85 year old Arab Sheikh? And how in return he gave a free bang to your wife? Did you forget you yourself had helped direct the person's flaccid tool into your six month daughter's puddi? How you had tied a twig to that fellow's tool to give it a semblance of a straight erect tool?
Did you forget how the Arab sheikh had thighed your six month old daughter the way Mohammad thighed the small Aisha?
You people oblige your Arab masters – by licking their feet and their @$$eS and that too when they are at their filthiest best. Know what I mean.
But of course, you cannot be faulted. Mohammad had made the Arabs superior to you. You people are given immediate jannat if you spare your daughters and sisters for entertaining these Arabs. These Arab masters in turn give a beautiful gift to your daugthers and sisters — make them pregnant – which you Dalit Muslims are unable to.
These Arab emirs/sheikhs fart into the awra of your females and the likes of you are born – all GAS called JINNS. Your Arab masters have not called you jinns for nothing.
Your Arab masters oblige you and patronise you people a great deal. No doubt your females prefer your Arab masters and beat you with slippers whenever you try to touch your own females. Your Arab masters reward your females handsomely with money and ensure that filth like you do not go food hungry! And whenever you protest – your Arab masters show you your place by placing their drill into your a$$. A big brotherhood indeed. The gay brotherhood of Muslims – where you are the sex slave and the Arab your sex master.
So did your Arab master gave teri ma di puudi a glimpse of jannat today?
Tere Arab master ka lund aur tera gaand – made for each other.
You filthy slave of the dirty Arab. Go and raise your butt. His hot tool is ready to drill you.
your abba can f@ck your ammi till the 6 hours after her death
after all he is following muhammd's sunna
Filth like you only understand filth. Therefore we must oblige.
Why complain? You are only getting the Golden Rule treatment which you live by.
What's wrong, couldn't get to fcuk your grandmother and mother at the same time today? Don't worry, you sis is waiting in the barn getting ready whilst gobbling the horse.
Go on, come back later after you have given her a Dalit treatment. I'll be waiting to give you more 'teri maa di puudi' verses!
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Untouchable lunn!
Is that it?
I was expecting some nude photos of your mum and sis with horse coks in their mouths! Or least the elephant trunk from your god Ganesha in their gobs, whilst you was schagging them.
We are waiting.
You are still having the goo filled tool of Mohammad in your mouth. Every other sentence of yours carries schit and dung. Now take the tool out of your mouth and gargle clean your mouth with some acid. Your mouth will become clean.
hahahahaha
allah the pimp
said it is ok for your father to fcuck your wife
just like your mo gandu fcucked his daughter in law zainab
ask your muhammad to take off his dirty rotten 53 yr old kock out of a nine year old girl's pusssy
you allah pimp worshippers and muhammad child rapist followers
please look at this
your father can F@ck your mother upto 6 hours of your mother's death according to islam http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/E…
will your father f@ck your dead mother?
Is that it?
Come on mate, I know you've not been blessed with even the lowest of intellect, but hey.
Next you'll be saying that Amitabh Bachan is also Muslim hiding under the Hindu banner.
At least come up with something that is even remotely believable as far fetched as it may be.
With the amount of experience you idol worshippers have in mythology, believing King Kong was your god, I expected better than that from a retard like you.
You are letting the Hindu pagan brethren down with your current standards! 😀
islamic dog http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000065…
see this and many prostitutes you mentioned are muslim chicks they take hindu name so that their mullahs don;t come hunting them
You trying to talk again dung worshipper?
I told you before, it must really suck being you.
Humans and you? (Pi@@ing myself laughing at the sheer audacity).
You mean vile creatures, which no doubt the likes of you are. Barrel bottom scraping enemies of civilization. Even your own people class you as untouchables (Dalits), so what hope have you got with anyone else?
At least with Islam, you can be an equal. Come to Islam you dung sniffing retard. 😀
…………………………….On second thoughts, no thanks, stay where you are Dalit.
You back again dung worshipper Raj?
At least try and makes sense with what you say, so at least you can understand your own logic even though every other person on earth can't.
I can't say you don't try, but then so do jacka@@es.
I do wonder if ever you actually understand what you actually say, or is it something you learn at the dung worshipping gatherings?
Stick to the rickshaw driving as talking coherently and making sense is a skill set that you still have to learn. Maybe going back to school would be the best option given the circumstances. But then again, school cannot fix natural stupidity!
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// Now where were we……………… //
To remind you ….. You are rotting in the hate filled Islamic world/hell. And we humans are on earth loving mankind. Even after our offering you countless times our hands to pull you out of Islam(hell) – you are rejecting.
Abu Bakr's crocodile tears to fool the Muslims into. Egoists are concerned about their image.
Muslims following Abu Bakr ( and now the mullahs and imams and sheikhs ) – true tears but misplaced emotion's for a wrong faith..
Abu Bakr's crocodile tears to fool the Muslim.
Muslims following Abu Bakr – misplaced emotion's tears for a wrong faith..
@ABC. On what basis would you be giving assurances on behalf of your government in the first place? Exactly what Ministerial Portfolio do you hold?
And secondly, please share with us this 'article', so we can determine the authenticity of this so called threat and it's independence.
If you are so determined to show your appreciation of Ali Sina's courage and enterprise, then why are you not standing shoulder to shoulder with him in his neck of the woods in Canada? And since you are one of his advocates, be prepared to get a dressing down on this hate mongering site each time you spew your venom, you enemy of civilization.
Now where were we………………
If EDL are not racist, then you must still be a Muslim Ali Sina.
Everyone in the UK knows that the EDL are a far right wing football hooligan and pub racist formed movement. The only reason you are saying what you are is because they are full fledged members of the Presidents Council for SION.
Are you finally going to show your self Om Puri on the 11 September planned Sion conference in New York or is it via telephone link?
Either way, your turnout will only be double figures.
Give us this proven fact about Islam being Satanic then dajjal.
After you have done your little bit of exposing the lies of Islam, then what?
Islam is a lie and a Satanic submitter religion. Now what?
Is there anything else you have left to say and do?
Once you have completed your task, let me know, after which I will rub the salt into your wounds and torture you with Truth.
EDL is not racist. They have Sikh and Jewish members. They will even embrace ex-Muslims. There is nothing racist about them. They have rejected the support of BNF because of the latter’s racism.
" I receive countless emails of complaints from Indian citizens who say their politicians bend over backwards for Muslims vote bank."
That is . . . of Hindus hating on Muslims. And nothing more. Hindus too have their extremists – that would lap up any anti-Muslim propaganda. Many are successful members of all parts of Indian society.
From the film Industry to the Army. From prostitution to politician. . .
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Wilders simply played on fears of common Dutch. Already he is on his way out.
Just like the British BNP. A bit of noise and it all fell apart.
And interesting thing to note is – under the guise of being anti-Muslim – Sina too started to show his support for Racist groups such as EDL.
Dear ABC,
I know all about the dhimmi attitude of Indian politicians. I receive countless emails of complaints from Indian citizens who say their politicians bend over backwards for Muslims vote bank. Mu question is why. Why should the politicians bend over backwards of Muslims’ vote when over 80% of Indians are not Muslim? The answer is because the non-Muslims do not act. if they voted only for those who stand up against Islam and boycotted those who are submissive to Muslims you will see that all the politicians suddenly become pro India and anti Islam. You elect these people and you can change them. The way to do it is to raise the awareness and start a movement, much like the one Geert Wilders started in Netherlands.
You don’t need the majority to come to power. you need 3% of very dedicated activists to take over the government.
See . . . another one that bites the dust. Just bit of brandishing the stick – then that is it.
I don't care a hoot . . . whether this person goes to er . . . sleep or not. So why the "good night". . . I don't get it.
"And here was no holocaust of Hindus – ever. "
OH YEAH? pointless to talk to a murderer regarding admission of his guilt.
but ur right on one count , i do have something useful to right now than talk to you ……… that is to sleep.
good night.
"People like you really have nothing better to do with your time."
There has never been any threat to Sina. Supposed or otherwise. This is a common game such people play.
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"four million kashmiri pandits are living like refugees and the government is deaf mute and umb. "
An absolute lie . . . my family is from that region – The govt. does NOTHING but help the Hindu pandits.
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"90 million hinuds were killed in an unquanitfied holocaust by muslim invaders for past 1000 years and indian goevernment has ears and sight only for gujrat riots. "
Yet the Government of that time WAS implicated for the killings. And here was no holocaust of Hindus – ever.
dear dr sina,
i just read ur article on supposed threat to ur life from india.
im sorry on behalf of our government. this government fails to protect its own people. how can it react for a foriegner?
few years ago few indian soldiers were kileld by bangladeshies in the most despicable way possible. the indian government uttered NOT A WORD. four million kashmiri pandits are living like refugees and the government is deaf mute and umb.
90 million hinuds were killed in an unquanitfied holocaust by muslim invaders for past 1000 years and indian goevernment has ears and sight only for gujrat riots.
what assurance can i give you on behalf of my government? none im afraid.
what i can do is register my sincere appreciation for ur courage and enterprise.
thanks and good day.
In other words Demsci . . . Europe – the worlds most bloodthirsty race stopped its killings and fighting.
Mind you the bastard child – USA is doing a fine job. . . .
"Can you tell How and why consumption of pork, Cigarette, wine increasing? Why number rape , murdering, looting case increasing. "
This is an illogical attempt . . . where are your sources? evidence?
"Islam being a satanic submitter religion is a fact, your allah/muhammad posses satanic attributes, this can be proved from the islamic sources itself."
Prove it then? I have already asked that . . . . what did you do? Resort to petty insults and some meaningless rhetoric – and then ran off.
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"You say I can do NOTHING. Well I am doing my bit in exposing the lies of Islam. "
What lies . . . dear . . . all you are doing is highlighting how inadequate you are of a debate. Hence you ran off . . . when I challenged you garbage. This simply makes you a bit of "joke".
I mean – don't you imagine yourself to be far more intelligent than me . . . . then why is it that all you can do is few lines. And then have the stupidity to imagine that somehow this is exposing Islam?
Really? I mean there is . . . . come on. Surely you can do better!
@Demsci. Using the reasons you have cited, Islam will grow further then, as healthcare and science are also developing and will do so, thus further decreasing the mortality rates. Additionally, Islam is growing in the 'West' at an alarming rate and this is not due to healthcare or lack of birth control techniques or inherent Muslims
Why would the size of Islam worry you more than the size of any other Belief system ranging from Theists to Atheists? With history as our measuring yard stick, wouldn't it be the very system you are prescribing to which is championed by Atheism be the most dangerous? Atheism, being a minority has killed more than any religious based system. This is also backed up with numbers. We should be more worried by Atheism, than any other system out there. This is the real danger as there is no morality code here with Atheism. In the eyes of Atheism, everything is acceptable and doable.
As far as world populations are concerned, the following list should be taken into account:
World population (millions)
#Top ten most populous countries199020082025
1China 1,1411,3331,458
2India 8491,1401,398
3United States 250304 352
4Indonesia 178228 273
5Brazil 150192 223
6Pakistan 108166 226
7Bangladesh 116160 198
8Nigeria 94151 208
9Russia 148142 137
10Japan 124128 126
Exactly how much of them are Muslim?
The top 3 are not Muslim and have a minority Muslim population, but Islam is still growing.
Coitus interruptus, an older form of birth control, was a known practice at the time of Mohammed, and his companions engaged in it. Mohammed knew about this, but did not prohibit it. Umar and Ali, the second and fourth of the caliphs, respectively, defended the practice.
Muslims scholars have extended the example of coitus interruptus, by analogy, to declaring permissible other forms of contraception, subject to three conditions:
As offspring are the right of both the husband and the wife, the birth control method should be used with both parties' consent.
The method should not cause permanent sterility.
The method should not otherwise harm the body.
Therefore the argument that Muslims have no birth control thus the population growth is also false.
Even with estimated forecasts, the world's population by 2030 will be at least 25% Muslim. This means that Islam will grow albeit at a slower rate than the last one hundred years. And this is where you and the likes of Ali Sina get into a pickle. If the world's total population is 25% Muslim, then there is no way you will ever be able to defeat it or eradicate it as you guys foolishly believe, and if it is only 25% of the world's population, then it is not a majority, so the fear mongering has no justification, which you guys currently promote. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation for people against Islam. Islam is here to stay and will stay.
Get over it.
ali, Islam being a satanic submitter religion is a fact, your allah/muhammad posses satanic attributes, this can be proved from the islamic sources itself. I am not against Muslims, they are victims of an ideology called islam.
You say I can do NOTHING. Well I am doing my bit in exposing the lies of Islam.
I can respond to that question, Ali. But indeed your figures do look very impressive! We should not deny the power and appeal of Islam, that would indeed be a mistake.
But it's very size worries us, much more than, say, the size of the Mormons, or Scientologists, would worry is. These may or may not have world-supremacy-doctrines, but they are negligibly small.
But I can say that the whole worldpopulation also did grow, in the period you mentioned, from # 1 billion to 7 billion. And I will say that in the 19th and 20th century medicines and healthcare, invented in and originating from the West did make it possible for mankind, and thus also Islam, to die too young much less and grow so fast.
Also I like to point out, that due to lower deathrates in countries, and higher education-systems, higher literacy and prosperity, eventually birthrates also go down in the same countries.
This happened in Western countries since the seventies, and quite dramatically, but it now also seems to be happening in the Islamic and many other countries.
According to the book MegaChanges 2050, edited by the Economist, it is estimated that worldpopulation will finally top off at 9 to 10 billion in 2050 and then it will stay the same or decline. According to the book Islam will continue to grow, because, it says, religion is mostly inherited, until it reaches about 28-30 % of world-population.
But one can hope that good education and high literacy and the best principles of Democracy (best principles, leading to a good life for the most people) grow even faster.
And that most Muslims, somehow, will willingly fit into that Democratic system. Leaving only a few truly Islamic societies, who are relatively powerless and peaceful and who can then try to show how the merits of Islam benefit a whole country.
While according to the UN it now is democracy that seems to be the best working, or the least worst, system for providing the most people with a "good life".
@Prophet. Answer the question with an answer and not a question please.
You've just used the tu quoque fallacy. You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser – you answered criticism with criticism. This fallacy is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off the accused having to defend themselves and shifts the focus back onto the accuser themselves.
The implication is that if one's opponent also does the thing that they are accused of, then their opponent is a hypocrite. Irrespective of whether this might be true or not, the problem lies in the fact that it is effectively a tactic to avoid recognising and responding to the criticism of one's argument – by turning it back on the accuser, the accused doesn't need to answer the accusation.
Therefore answer the question please.
____________how and why did Islam grow from 200 million to 1.57 billion from 1900-2009________________
Can you tell How and why consumption of pork, Cigarette, wine increasing? Why number rape , murdering, looting case increasing.
@Ali Sina. So, exactly what does Abu Bakr crying when reciting the verses mean? Bearing in mind Muslims the world over also cry when they recite some verses of the Quran. I wonder what choices these Muslims are contemplating?
This should be entertaining.
Of course you are not bothered about Sina's views, dajjal. That's why you use him as your scholarly master.
On a separate note, how and why did Islam grow from 200 million to 1.57 billion from 1900-2009?
Which part of India you from dajjal?
OK. Let's agree with you that Islam is a satanic submitter religion. AND WHAT?
Exactly what are you going to do about it or what can you do about it. NOTHING!
Anything else you want to answers to?
Instead of playing with words please answer to the subject under discussion. In mecca he made his allah say a few benign verses which the meccans lgnored and laughed at, they had their own god/s and were not interested in muhammad / jibreel / allah cocktail, so they had all the right to resist evil muhammad. What i say is Muhammad the false prophet was indulging in BIGOTRY.
"What I putting across is that muhammad was intolerant to others faith and when resisted he played victim. I am not bothered about Sina's views."
That was – what the comment was about . . . . and whatever you put across – comes with less value than zero. Such small comments as yours are meaningless.
i have already sounded you out . . . all you are going to do is make such disparaging remarks.
Anything more strenuous . . . seems beyond you.
What I putting across is that muhammad was intolerant to others faith and when resisted he played victim. I am not bothered about Sina's views.
Wow – the intelligence comes out to answer. Did you read the above . . . and spot the contradiction? I doubt it.
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"this was unusual for the fellow meccans and obviously many laughed at him"
Actually – this too is not what Sina claims.
Page 236:
"Ibn Ka’b says he was a devout believer and had accompanied Muhammad on all his raids and that thanks to the proceeds of those wars he had become a wealthy person."
This is another dishonesty of Sina . . . how is it that Ibn Ka'b became wealthy from Wars or Raids? – how many were there and how much did he he acquire?
Sina makes quite a few such falsifications – his book is littered and hence dishonest. Its premise is dishonest and so is the content.
The Meccans were polytheist believing in their own god /s, muhammad then claimed about getting revelations from this jibreel / allah something, this was unusual for the fellow meccans and obviously many laughed at him. If Muhammad had kept his nonsense to himself there would not have been trouble for himself nor his mafia. The problem was that he was forcing his allah on others and when vehemently resisted it is perceived as persecution.
Pg 81. . .
"Now, Abu Bakr was left with the options: Leaving Muhammad, for whom he had made so many sacrifices, denouncing him, calling him a liar and going back to his people, acknowledging he had been a fool; or doing whatever Muhammad asked of him. This is often the difficult choice
cultists must make. Abu Bakr even built a mosque in the backyard of his house for Muslims to pray. He would often cry when reciting Muhammad’s allegedly revealed verses."
What Sina tries to built up as crisis of faith for Abu Bakr – is simply figment of his imagination. He has no sources . . . or anything. He does not back it up. . . again I refer to his methodology – and his further comments that confirmed –
He is simply not interested in honest scholarship. . . he has already decided this is what Prophet Muhammad is . . . so he will make along such narratives.
Its just that people have brains . . . even those who have no love of Muslims and Islam – will not come and defend this garbage. Successfully prove with several of his so-called supporters – limited to these comment sections.
Page 80
"Why did Muhammad not take other wives when Khadijah was still alive? Because he was living off her money and in her house. Furthermore, the majority of the people of Mecca derided him. He was called a lunatic. No one would have married him even if he had had money of his own and Khadijah had not been an issue."
The problem? Well – Sina leads the readers to believe that Muslims were NOT being persecuted in Mecca. He has even given a falsified evidence for this (see a few comment previous) . . . yet this contradicts his own previous story.
More strange phenomena from the book:
Pg 86 – Footnote 131
"The Qur’an can be tedious, and that is mainly why few Muslims have read it. However, at
the risk of boring my readers, in this chapter I will have to quote several Qur’anic verses as
evidence to support my portrait of Muhammad."
How does Sina know that only few Muslims have read it? Where is his research or data? Not given . . . this is what I term as hate-mongering . . . rabid statements such as the above – that have no proof or evidence. . . are illogical, stereotypes, prejudice and etc.
Sina – gives the large about being logical and scientific – ONLY when it serves his purpose. . . as I have highlighted successfully and rather easily . . . that when it doesn't – then all sense of "rationality" is forgotten. The above is case in point.
6 day wait . . . is long enough!
The extent that this book is simply siphoned from the Internet and bunged together is astounding – when compared to the rhetoric and OTT praises the author lavishes upon the self published book.
For example:
On Page 235
"An intelligent person is one who is constantly thinking about and preparing for death.368"
This apparent Hadith is quoted . . . yet rather than verifying it – Sina simply gives the web link he acquired it from.
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Again one can predict – that he simply went hunting for Quotes of Prophet Muhammad on death . . . he chose the one he liked and included it.
This isn't what you call scholarship. . . not by any extent of the imagination. How is someone meant to take this book seriously?
"Yeah you are good at counterfeiting like your religion, I must agree that I wont be a match to this type of Scholarship"
If I have forged anything . . . then the simple and effective thing is to highlight it. Which you know full well you are unable to do. Hence statements like yours are expected and obvious. . . .
. . . It is like a barking dog with no bite.
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Hence – you show yourself up as being nothing more than a bit of a "troll".
Yeah you are good at counterfeiting like your religion, I must agree that I wont be a match to this type of Scholarship, anyway keep on applying sugarcoating to your false god this wont help.
Sunbeam – do understand your own nonsense?
"So allah aka muhammad is the best of deceivers (kairul makkar) which is a satanic attribute, so we conclude, Islam is a satanic submitter religion."
I have already established what Makkar means – now coming in here and bleating this . . . what would it achieve?
Either come, match me in scholarship – or else pipe down a little.
So allah aka muhammad is the best of deceivers (kairul makkar) which is a satanic attribute, so we conclude, Islam is a satanic submitter religion.
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"Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same: i.e.
Human being 65
Soil (turab) 17
Drop of Sperm (nutfah) 12
Embryo ('alaq) 6
A half formed lump of flesh (mudghah) 3
Bone ('idham) 15
Flesh (lahm) 12
TOTAL 65
The word "salawat" appear five times in the Qur'an, and Allah has commanded man to perform the prayer (salat) five times a day.
The word "land" appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word "sea" 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%.
Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.
Being as proficient in Arabic as you are, you should have no problems confirming the above and then giving us all the answers on how it was done over a 23 year period during the time of ignorance, whilst going to war, raping, pillaging, looting, killing, marrying, forcing and what not.
@Dragoste7. Whilst you are brushing up on your Pre Islamic Arabic, could you please care to explain the following giving details on exactly how it came to be and when, because you guys seem to know more about Mohammed and Islam than Muslims do.. Dates, timings and exact records would be handy backed up by evidence:
The statement of "seven heavens" is repeated seven times. "The creation of the heavens (khalq as-samawat)" is also repeated seven times.
"Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.
The number of repetitions of the words "plant" and "tree" is the same: 26
The word "payment or reward" is repeated 117 times, while the expression "forgiveness" (mughfirah), which is one of the basic morals of the Qur'an, is repeated exactly twice that amount, 234 times.
When we count the word "Say," we find it appears 332 times. We arrive at the same figure when we count the phrase "they said."
The number of times the words, "world" (dunya) and "hereafter" (akhira) are repeated is also the same: 115
The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Qur'an 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).
The word faith (iman) (without genitive) is repeated 25 times throughout the Qur'an as is also the word infidelity (kufr).
The words "paradise" and "hell" are each repeated 77 times.
The word "zakah" is repeated in the Qur'an 32 times and the number of repetitions of the word "blessing" (barakah) is also 32.
The expression "the righteous" (al-abraar) is used 6 times but "the wicked" (al-fujjaar) is used half as much, i.e., 3 times.
The number of times the words "Summer-hot" and "winter-cold" are repeated is the same: 5.
The words "wine" (khamr) and "intoxication" (saqara) are repeated in the Qur'an the same number of times: 6
The number of appearances of the words "mind" and "light" is the same: 49.
The words "tongue" and "sermon" are both repeated 25 times.
The words "benefit" and "corrupt" both appear 50 times.
"Reward" (ajr) and "action" (fail) are both repeated 107 times.
"Love" (al-mahabbah) and "obedience" (al-ta'ah) also appear the same number of times: 83
The words "refuge" (maseer) and "for ever" (abadan) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 28.
The words "disaster" (al-musibah) and "thanks" (al-shukr) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 75.
"Sun" (shams) and "light" (nur) both appear 33 times in the Qur'an. (In counting the word "light" only the simple forms of the word were included).
The number of appearances of "right guidance" (al-huda) and "mercy" (al-rahma) is the same: 79
The words "trouble" and "peace" are both repeated 13 times in the Qur'an.
The words "man" and "woman" are also employed equally: 23 times.
The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.
"Treachery" (khiyanah) is repeated 16 times, while the number of repetitions of the word "foul" (khabith) is 16.
"That's the spirit I hope you do that when studying your religion too. "
Don't attempt patronise me. . . petty and ridiculous attempt at that.
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"like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word"
After sometime . . . you cannot come back and start repeating the BULLSHIT . . . it doesn't work me. No matter how many smiley emoticons you add.
Where is your evidence. . . when I asked you last time – you made excuses and left. . . when you have got no avenue to go to – you repeat this again.
If you have any such knowledge . . . lets hear it. Else cut out the BS.
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"I told you that I studied Arabic back to the "the era of Jahiliyyah".
This requires years of studies and I am not going to ask you to do so. "
No you haven't – we tested that out . . . the last time – repeating these statements wont make it true . . . and it is Bullshit.
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU AT ALL.
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"Study and look it up yourself without letting others influence your search. I know you can do it. You have so much potential aminriadh.
After you do your own search, and still want me to present miracles to you, If I'm still alive by then, I'll give you what you're looking for. "
Balderdash . . . patronising Bullshit . . . worthless meaningless
You are an old fraud – and you know it too.
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This is game of "evidence" – you ain't got none. If you have . . . show your face . . .
else . . . take a hike sonny.
John Paul II's incident what you would call "forgiveness". In such media light – there is nothing else he could have done.
Where is his "forgiveness" over the Church and Hitler issue . . . after all he was once a Hitler youth himself.
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"I don't imagine Mohammad or anyone who takes Mohammad as a role model is capable of forgiving a person who tried to assassinate him. "
This is just your own prejudice playing out . . . as you HAVE to imagine that others who are NOT the same faith as you . . . are somehow less capable human beings . . . why is that? I mean is that what Christianity is about? When it suits you roll out the mantra . . . when it doesn't . . . turn up the hate.
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"The killings that are going on in Syria are self-defense? Syrians against Syrians murdering each others, both sides saying "Allah Akbar" when killing. The women that were raped by both sides when captured, is this self-defense? (the prophet took women as booty so we both can see why they rape with such cold blood) "
What is this example . . . exactly of?
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"If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did. "
You deception at its best . . . you wish to nuke Muslim countries – but when you attach the reasoning to Muslims – it is of course, wrong. But when it comes from you – its right.
Call me stupid on all counts . . . but even I am not that stupid.
@Joker Life. So who are Pakistanis and Indonesians patriotic to? Religion or Country? Which one comes first for them?
And which part of India do you come from? By God, don't you guys ever get enough!
You are stupid enough void reality check about rational violence and dealing with situation !
Raising questions are again quite lazy thing ! let me try same
Why didn't and don't America follow Jesus (your manipulated version) and forgive killers? So Americans are following rational violence not Jesus (your manipulated version). Oh good christian there can't be such thing !
Islam didn't blind you It help you to keep check with reality and situation. I am sure you will be dead in those situation or else you will accept truth about how to deal !
So far anti-Islamist don't even understand style of language of belief and how it help to boost confidence in omnipotent almighty in complex situations. Way to go stupids way to go find truth !
If you are right, spread your thoughts with other muslims. At least it would be cleared that Ali Sina is running site and not westerns.
Out of all that I said, you only picked a point where you think you're "on to something" and neglected more important/dangerous claims. Even though the answer is obvious and I answered this before, I'll say it again.
Self-defense is not wrong. This shooter why is he trying to kill me? If I have done something to him like killing his family then I also brought this to myself. If I have done nothing to him and he's killing just to kill why wouldn't I stop him. I am a good shooter myself but if I have to shoot someone that would be in a situation that I have no other choice and I pray while shooting for God to save the one I'm shooting.
But it is wrong to use "Self-defense" to Justify wars and killings against others. True forgiveness comes when you are in a position of power. Learn what forgiveness is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_as…
I don't imagine Mohammad or anyone who takes Mohammad as a role model is capable of forgiving a person who tried to assassinate him.
Can't you see the difference? Mohammad killed with (and without) the excuse of self-defense and when "doubting" someone while Jesus or a good Christian like Pope JPII forgave killers (actual killers not people they "doubted" were plotting something).
The killings that are going on in Syria are self-defense? Syrians against Syrians murdering each others, both sides saying "Allah Akbar" when killing. The women that were raped by both sides when captured, is this self-defense? (the prophet took women as booty so we both can see why they rape with such cold blood)
If I am to follow your reason, then my country should nuke Islamic countries because we "doubt" that you are plotting against us. It's not wrong to do so you know, we'll be doing exactly what Holy Mohamed did.
Don't let Islam blind you from differentiating between good and evil.
aminriadh,
Sorry for the late reply, like I said I was travelling and still are so I might be away. But I want to congratulate you for presenting a good argument and not believing what others tell you. That's the spirit 😀 I hope you do that when studying your religion too.
We may keep arguing about the meaning of مكر forever, like I said you need to study the origin of the language meaning that you need to go back to pre-Islamic Arabic in order to understand the original meaning of the word (what the prophet really meant since it was his language before Islam influenced Arabic) and that's what I meant when I told you that I studied Arabic back to the "the era of Jahiliyyah".
This requires years of studies and I am not going to ask you to do so.
There is something easier you can do. I claimed many things in our arguments before such as "Miracles", you called that bullsh*t without even investigating. Funny someone who follows a religion that believes in Jinn (that no one ever saw) would call Miracles (that happen every day- documented and medically/scientifically studied) "Bullsh*t".
For the moment, I won't present to you any Miracle. Study and look it up yourself without letting others influence your search. I know you can do it. You have so much potential aminriadh.
After you do your own search, and still want me to present miracles to you, If I'm still alive by then, I'll give you what you're looking for.
If it's not too much, I want to ask one more thing of you and your brothers. Please pray for our Syrian bothers/sisters. When we give prayers to do good for others, We'll be praying for the same God.
The Muslims are ungrateful and unpatriotic. Given a choice – they will choose religion over their country.
– this is proved by zakir naik, you can search video on youtube.
Other than Mohammad, donkey was the only one who met allah.
Jesus will come back as Muslim and first thing he will destroy all cross and Christianity.
Which Bible you reading?
Explain this please for starters:
2 Kings 24:8 says “Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.”
2 Chronicles 36:9 says “Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem…”
So why did Jesus come 2000 odd years ago and not at the beginning or at the end giving a fair crack at the whip to everyone?
Exactly what will happen to the the people who were here before Jesus came and never got the chance to hear his message or see him for hundreds and thousands of years earlier. How do they achieve Salvation through Jesus? Just a thought.
In revelations we read, which is, which was and which is to come. Lord God sent Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.
We shall take heed. As Jesus was ascending to heaven, the angels who were with him told His disciples who were gazing up the sky that this same Jesus would come back in like manner as he'd been taken up to heaven. And before he breathe His last breath after His crucifixion, He declared it is finish. The plan of Salvation is being laid. The cross is the way to heaven, the only atonement for the sins of the world. He'd commanded us to read the Scripture for it is which that testify of Him. He had also declared that He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega. How then comes another new commandment after this? Who had sow the tare. And out comes wild grapes.
The Bible and the Koran are two separate books. One contains the Word of God, while the other is a Counterfeit one, distorting the word of God, setting itself up as God because it wanted to be like God even from the beginning (read revelation). He is also known as Father of all lies or the great Deceiver bringing men to perdition. Since he cannot foil the plan of Salvation, his rage was to wage war upon the seeds of the Woman. Woman as we know in Bible represents the Church or the people of God. That is why we see this spiritual warfare battling so fiercely for supremacy because he knows his time is short. God's command is to bring the gospel of love to all the inhabitants of the earth and all nations and the end shall come.
Here in the West, you don't even have to say Talak 3 times. The non Muslims just go and schag without marriage, so need for Talak 3 times. Just get up and go in the morning!
SIR, YOU ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH. YOU SHOULD TRAVEL AND READ MORE BEFORE YOU COME TO YOUR CONCLUTION.
HERE IN MALAYSIA THE MUSLIMS CAN DIVORCE INSTANTLY BY JUST SAYING "I DIVORCE YOU BY TALAK 3" EVEN BY USING PHONE SMS.
Sina was going to test me out – whether I had read his book or not . . . even on this petty and trifling matter . . . he couldn't show his face. I think I have waited long enough to either receive his invitation – or for him to accept mine.
So when he claims . . . that Muslims don't read his book and lie about it . . . well I have tested that out . . . . it he HE who lies about it.
After all – according to his own words – he would have had to apologize to me . . . well we couldn't have that!
Then there are OTHER ridiculous lies of his . . . they are extremely childish. Why does he need to get involved in them? For example I sent him a book request – he didn't send the book – when I made noise about it – he said I had never asked for it . . . when I plainly had.
Why?
You are right . . . that is what I intend do . . . just recovering from a bout of illness. Watch this space . . . see how that book is unraveled.
@Ali Sina. Like you didn't already know they were porn stars. Who you kidding?
With the amount of copy and pasting you do from other websites, porn sites is second nature to you.
And secondly, being non religious, it shouldn't impact on you should it, as no law or morality code says you shouldn't watch porn in your way of life. You've got nothing to lose when you do watch it, which no doubt you do, it's us theists that are the sinners and will be doomed and not you.
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'Ali Sina and no porn'. That's another one for the books! LOL.
“Just like Sunny Leone, Priya Rai, Angela Devi, Charmaine Sinclair, Nadia Nyce, Maya Bazin, Rasheen Kerim-Koram, Anjali Kara, Ariana Mistry, Destiny Deville, Leah Jaye, Peggy Sue, Samantha Shamal, Sahara Knite, Jazmin and Tiffany Taylor.”
I did a search and found out these are all port stars. I must say you have quite an impressive knowledge of the porn world. Are you sure you are in the right site? Maybe you should go to where you can put your vast knowledge to some good use. I really don’t think you belong to this site. But of-course you may need to distract yourself for a while until your recover, after each masturbation.
So you alternate between porn sites and my site. In porn sites you release your sexual tension and in my site you release your hate.
There is more to life that releasing tension. But if you haven’t learned how to live by now, it is hard to start at this age.
Yep and she bangs good. Some dude was giving it to her real good. I've added her to the favourites.
Just like Sunny Leone, Priya Rai, Angela Devi, Charmaine Sinclair, Nadia Nyce, Maya Bazin, Rasheen Kerim-Koram, Anjali Kara, Ariana Mistry, Destiny Deville, Leah Jaye, Peggy Sue, Samantha Shamal, Sahara Knite, Jazmin and Tiffany Taylor.
I'd bang the lot of them all at the same time and then one by one and then altogether again and still ask for seconds! And I'd use the Kama Sutra to get into some really fked up impossible positions.
You are in the wrong job mate. You need to stop serving tea and start your own Desi Porn Promotion company!
If you are a man, then a Taxi Driver, and that's after you sneaked in via the container in back of lorry route? You worked your way up from dishwasher, to butcher, to barber and now the taxi driver.
Is that right eternity?
Or did you marry a local bird and come in as a wedded husband, but still hit the taxi driver golden job.
Cannot see you being anything else because judging by your comments, you have literally word for word spewed out exactly what every other Hindu on here who worships Ali Sina has spewed out. Can't see you being a Doctor, Lawyer or Bollywood actor.
You have no measuring yardstick for humanity, and if you do, show us exactly what it is and by whom was it given.
You pagans and idol worshippers are the enemies of civilization and thus must be treated in a manner which befits your folly.
We are actually doing you guys the favour for even entertaining your views and comments. A teaboy does not hold the same power, respect or responsibility as the CEO of a company. And that is exactly what you Hindus similitude is. Tea boys!
The man made gods that you worship were perverts and sickos. As a matter of fact exactly how can a human with an elephants head help you? Please tell us the secret. Or a dik (Shiv Lingham). Or some biatch with 6 arms? Come on, enlighten us with your BS on exactly how many gods you HIndus do have and why do they spend all their time fking each other?
Isn't that the case, who fks who and whose dik is bigger than the others or whose b-o-o-b-s are bigger than the others. Exactly which one of your gods is the head honcho and top dog? You have so many that each one claims to be the boss. No wonder you guys are lost and will believe any story some prik makes up. You guys are used to myths.
Exactly how many Gods do you Hindus believe there are? Please enlighten us.
Furthermore, exactly how many blokes can Durga jerk off at the same time with all her arms? Now that would be something worth paying for!
Imagine all your female gods in a gang-bang porn production. Bliss. You see, the more you delve into it, the more ridiculous Hinduism becomes. It's nothing but porn, like your Kama Sutra.
Pervs
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Hey dude did you search for zarina masood?
Only 10-14% of the population in India is Muslim dimwit? So it is obvious the problems you Hindus face are of your own doing. You are the majority! Do you even understand what majority means?
Do not mention isolated recent events and blame the Muslims. Look at historical events and then work them out in context and perspective. This is the problem with you a@@wipes. Just like your Guru Sina, you try to impress with home made BS assertions hoping everyone is as dimwitted and stupid as you guys who will lap it up like a rabid dog. Unfortunately for you, the majority of humans are normal and can work out 2+2=4 and not 7.3 as you guys would wish it to be.
And as far as ghetto is concerned, my toilet is bigger than your whole house……..I mean your mud hut. No matter which way you look at it, you will always be inferior to us.
And no, you guys don't kiss vagina, you kiss dik (shiv lingham) and a-s-s ( Ali Sina's). So in all fairness, we'd much rather kiss vagina, than suck dik and kiss a-s-s some blokes. 😀
I'm not saying it, you said it yourself. What a retard!
Stick to serving the tea mate, stick to serving the tea, as this discussion is way above your pay grade.
We don't kiss vagina like perverts. lolz
You must also be knowing that muhammad was born long after his father's death hahaha
which islamic ghetto you live in England?lolz
I am talking about muzlees of india . They are parasites to our society . They destroy indian properties for the sake of bangladesi muslims
btw did you check zarina masood.We work and earn money . you suck sheik chocobars and earn money that is the difference
oh and by the way i am settled in the west. is there even a point in telling u which profession i belong to?
god will even regard an athiest who spreads peace and tranquility as his messenger.
sorry but what muhammad did was exact opposite.
lastly u must agree if ur a decent human……… everyone no matter what his /her faith is , deserves to live with dignity and respect. ur faith must be the best in ur eyes, but it is then ur business only. u cannot force the world into believeing ur view. if u denigrate mine , i have the right to denigrate urs.
ur answers to these will tell more about the kind of person u are.
lastly yes english is my adoptive language but if u denigrate me for my typos ….. it just shows ur own mindset. r u muslim? to me u sound more like a nazi.
if ur not then rather than reacting insultingly and violently …….. give me the proof that even after being a muslim, ur a decent person. where is it?
do u believe osama is a prophet of god by the virtue of his being muslim?
how do u reflect on his actions? do you think they wre fine?
ur answer will be found in the answers of these questions themselves.
the thing is i dont care if one is a hindu, muslim, christian, athiest ………. if one is a decent human being.
if one is a dcent human being ( now u wud ask me to elaborate on being a decent human, i request u ask urself what that is……. the definition and criterion may differ from person to person ) but in my opinion if one does not intentionally hurt anyone of any faith, observes humanitarian rules and common societal rules ( not islamic sharia rules which are by far nto humane ) is a law abiding citizen and respects those less fortunate or less mightir than himself , he qualifies mroe as being a follower of god than one who ds exact opposite.
ie just offer worship and indulges in rape, murder, arson, murders. if god is there and he is a true god hecan tell the difference. he wont be hoodwinked into believing that since a person is merely offering prayers to him, he can get away with anything and everything.
Of course you have enough b'stards in India. You are one of them! Ever seen your father or heard his name. Exactly which passing Jogi was it?
If it wasn't for the Arabs giving your people work in the Middle East, you fkers would be even poorer than you already are. Forget getting one meal a week, you'd be lucky to get one meal a month. Do you have any idea how much foreign remittance comes into India from your fellow slaves from the Middle East and are you aware of how many Indian Hindu slappers that dance in clubs are fk'ed daily by the Arabs?
And I know it is very difficult for dung sniffing schit worshippers like you to understand, but Muslims are not paki or indian. They can be anyone from anywhere. Ever heard of white British Muslims dikwad and white European Muslims and white American Muslims all born and bred from their respective countries? Of course you haven't because you just about mustard up enough money to use the internet. I'm surprised you got electric where you come from.
It's bottom of the barrel Hindu filth retards like you who think British means Brazil. You guys are so nasty we can smell you through the computers.
You know Apple 5 is soon coming out, so how about worshipping that as your god? You've literally worshipped everything else in this universe as your gods, so why not add more?
It's dumb a@@es like you that make our day when we hammer you about your worship anything but claim to be Atheist belief BS.
Your spelling alone can tell everyone you are a Hindu pretending to be Atheist XYZ. Don't you get it. 99.9% of the posters here that follow Sina are Indian Hindus. You guys hold the monopoly for stupidity and hate mongering.
What world are you taking about? You haven't gone past the local village boundary, as it costs too much rupees and you cannot afford it.
What humanity and what human rights? The ones you have pinched from Islam and try to dress it up as your own.
Now, educate me. How can one be an Atheist and on the same hand be a Prophet of God? Bearing in mind Atheists don't believe in God!
You can take all the time in the world on this one, because you sure as hell are gonna need it.
i suggest you capture these responses and create a blog out of it to share the knowledge with the rest of the world, putting in a comment section will only limit the exposure.It is time to create a one source responding to all these islamphobic attacks. I started collecting responses at answeringislamphobes.wordpress.com
Everything i read so far is philosophical and quite frankly not intelligent at all. you focus on your narrow minded interpretation and ignore others. Plus you assume that you know more than God himself ?
1)“Allah taught Adam all the names", Quran didn't say "all the names of the plants and animals.” You added that part from via your own interpretation.
Next God the creator of this earth , heaven , sky , so is he NOT capable or not of teaching adams all names ? , again names here might be angel names, might be animal names , might be wahever but i note you prefer to take what support your islamphobic interpretation though.
This remind with the article you wrote about pedophilia in Quran where you picked a verse about DIVORCE (not even marriage) and then you argued you way to say that an Absence of menstruation means children ignoring completely the fact the absence of menstruation mentioned in the noble verse presupposes a belated puberty known as primary amenorrhea, which could, with some femals, go as far as 20 years of age, this is undeniably a peculiar condition which the Noble Quran deals with in the clearest terms. Pick whatever serve your islamphobe causes.
The rest of verses you posted are philosophical that i rather not waste my time on, but i may if i have some free cycle. I don't get paid for being an islamist , like you get paid for being an islamphobe.
agreed sir. x² should have put before only.
yes an atheist can be a prophet of god as long as he champions humanity and human rights.but such concepts dotn exist in ru part of the universe do they?
i may be born as anything but ur in no position to speculate on my belief given my username which is not real. no prizes for guessing that much but again do u even have sense! ur a muslim!
infact i am a skeptic by faith.
whatever my position regards religion ………… u need to get that staright ,it is none of ur bussiness. u can worship allah or a dvil for all i care ………… but do nto try to forcibly impose that draconian religion of urs on the rest of us. it may be impossible for u to comprehend, but there IS WORLD OUTSIDE OF ISLAM. AND WE RE VERY HAPPY LIVING IN IT. IT IS NOT PERFECT BUT IT IS NOT EVIL AND DRACONIAN.
GET THAT ? NO WLEAVE US ALONE.
Lack of common sense
x2= x² != 2x
you should also search for tehmeena and zarina masood
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Ever heard of zarina masood?hahahaha
She is also "british born". I don't know why muzzies like to call themselves british born . you are just another parasitic mullah lolzzz.
but you didn't answer dead body sex in egypt inspired by muhammad .
Atleast try to save your little girls from horny sheiks.
They are too horny and produce fatwa for under age marriage . Lot of muslims from hyderabad sell their daughters to sheiks . Once they get bored they give talaq and they want to come back to India with their basta*d sons but we don't give them citizenship .
Lot of arab born are still waiting to receive passport to india . but we don't want any bastards here.We already have enough
@denialisnoproof. I couldn't care less about Pakistanis coming to India to get their land ploughed. Your sister-folk from India go the the Middle East, Europe, America and all over the West to get laid day in and day out. As a matter of fact, they are in demand in Amsterdam and stand in the shop windows ready for business spreading for anyone willing to pay the 50 Euros as we speak.
Prostitution is part and parcel of your Hindu Faith as nasty and vile as your dung worshipping faith is, you still sell your women folk in the oldest profession of the world.
Go and check out best-known red-light districts Sonagachi in Kolkata, Kamathipura in Mumbai, G. B. Road in New Delhi, Kashmiri Market in Agra, Reshampura in Gwalior and Budhwar Peth in Pune that host thousands of sex workers.
You couldn't even produce a 'hard on' let alone a sentence in a foreign language. Wishful thinking on your part.
What you seem to forget, I ain't Indian, Pakistani or Eastern like you illiterate barrel scraping enemies of civilizations. I am from the West, British born and bred and see smelly fkers like you daily getting their a@@es whooped.
Ask your Priya Rai what god does she think of when she is getting banged by the pornstars? The Shiv Lingham by any chance? 😉
Calculation is wrong
x=y,
2x=x+y
So kindly do maths correct
dude dont talk like your muhammad yu can be better than him.
Tell me why did mullahs started crying ?
We never cried .
Do you know muhammad had become impotent and was trying enjoy ayesha just by fondling.
By the way your muhammad asked fathima to breast feed adults .Shall i try your sisters ?religiously hahaha
Do you know according to islamic sharia law in egypt it is ok to have sex with dead bodies?
you know why muhammad had it too.
Fathima bhutto,and all mujra pakistani girls come here and get their land ploughed . I was just trying to produce a sura like quran 😀
@lonewolf. Not in your lifetime shirt-lifter. You are the real enemies of civilization.
I propose we bang the living daylights out of your women folk and put it on the net……………….I forgot, someone already has and it is already up on the net. Desiporn.com
LOL, at you retards.
@denialisnoproof. Mate, I'd do Parvati and Sita at the same time whist you was looking on, and for free. Forget the 5 crore rubbish, I'd bang your Hindu women for free and get them to do each other for free.
You Indians are anyone's, as long as the price is right, even if it means a freebie.
Don't be talking about other countries, just take a look at your own first. Your Indian birds are ripe for the picking, and your latest being Sunny Leone the pornstar. She currently stars in Jism 2.
Mr Ali you are second to your muhammad in being misogynist.
you talk about priya rai ,why don't to you talk about nude mujra in islamic republic of pakistan?
and rama didn't marry sita when she was 5 years old
don't you know sheiks sleep with under age hyderabadi muslim girls in mutah marriage?
and there is nothing called as idol worship in hinduism
when you are meditating there is no idol ,if we thought idols were gods would we throw it in water after ganesha chatuthi?
you are kidding the same vagina shaped stone since the time of your muhammad so please if you got guts throw it in the sea and prove that you are not idol worshoppers
and yeah we gave full five crore to veena mallik (zayda) to strip naked
and all you mullah bullahs started crying
Way to go Yashodhara. An Atheist is the True Prophet of God?
That just sums up why you Hindu idol worshippers are so intellectually stupid, blind, lost, deaf and dumb.
And it's not Dr Ali Sina, it's Swami Ji Master Guru Nanak Krishn Ishvar Baghwan Ali Sina to the likes of you. Remember that when you next address him. Make sure you get his title right in full you a@@wipe.
But I do understand Hindus like you though claiming to be Atheists?
This site is rife with them!
😀
Don't worry Loki. You are not the first and definitely won't be the last. Like said to you before, we come across people like you dime a dozen.
We call them enemies of civilization.
A few little pushes and your true colours shine through brighter than the sun.
Jump here
I wonder if you don't want to waste your time and resources so why you keep replying?
I did 3 hours extensive research on why don't you understand probability with common sense. Here is the secrete I wish to share with you !
Before you have been conceived by your mom your dad made numerous attempts. Each attempt had equal probability out of two possible outcome. As it had to allot equal for both possible results, each one got 50% possibility. But all those attempts turn 0% before the last which turned 100% and you took birth. rest of history you know except this secrete.
Considering all this happened before your birth and you never try to investigate logically further You failed to understand theory of probability with common sense.
Why common sense is important ?!
x = y
x2 = xy
x2 – y2 = xy – y2
(x + y)(x – y) = y(x – y)
x + y = y
1 + 1 = 1
2 = 1
dr ali sina,
are you alright ?? i first visited ur website faith freedom , i read it , fell in love with ur wisdom and ur beautiful mind and wanted to comment but i cudnt. i cudnt see any option. then i noticed the website has only archives till 2006.
i was very worried as we all know what the blasphemy laws in ilam are!
we dont react wehn an MF hussain paints paintings of our nude goddesses. we dotn reac when we disparage mother virgin mary but when rushdie writes satanic verses or a tasleema nasreen writes lajjja they r on the run of their lives.
dr sina very impressed by ur work.
ur the true prophet of god ( even though ur an atheist ) since u value humanity above blind faith.
love you.
No wonder you're an Islamoretard. 🙂
"What . . by repeatedly not answering the questions I ask. . . your arguments tend to lead towards the same thing – hence I end up asking the same questions in return. You don't bother to answer."
I did answer, but you considered my answer as "my agenda" and "repetition" and you judged them "useless, hot air" and such. Perhaps you did ask several times the same questions, so in a way I gave the same answers; my "agenda".
a few points;
– I like to answer you, in my own way, on issues and also by referring to relevant thoughts and the big picture.
– With freedom of speech I mean that I feel free to respond in the way I like it, even if you discourage it. That even if I say nonsense that is still my right. Moreover, this is Ali Sina's website; you have the right to bother Ali Sina and I have the right to bother you. You have the right to then ignore me.
Your talk about "shameless repetition" seems to me intended to discourage and devalue what I have to say. But I think "Repetition" is no shame at all, only you are free to ignore it.
– An absolute private discussion is different from one on the internet. On the internet it is possible that others listen in. Hence it is possible to speak to but also "use" the discussion-partner to actually inform and impress "the audience".
Moreover, I learn a lot from discussing, which I use later on. I even use negative criticisms and judgements from you to use and grow. I noticed often that you sometimes speak about "What Sina is saying, doing here" or "Ali Sina's lies and is unacademic", in response to Ali Sina himself.
– There exists a style of communication that is called NON-VIOLENT COMMUNICATION, initiated by Marshall Rosenberg. He says that people should refrain from judging all the time and focus on what it is they like, desire or need the other person to do or stop.
So: If I did not answer your questions, there may have been miscommunication. And you can start over and ask very specific questions and tell me what it is you like me to do. Without these continuous judgements. Because I need more clarity from you what your specific questions to me and what your specific needs are that you ask from me. It is my request to you.
– But I already tried to explain that your apparently academic style of constantly bringing evidence, back-ups, references, is not mine. And we can agree to disagree and you can quit but I still have the right to comment on you. I put up The agreement to in future TO AGREE TO DISAGREE against your tendency to nullify almost all that is not properly referenced, backed up, which I think is absurd, too much to ask. Many of us assume the discussion-partner is a well-read, informed person, who already knows a lot about what we are talking. And who can discern much outright inaccuracy. The 21st century is a time with much information and much haste. People "twitter" a lot. They make statements without backing them up all the time.
– I put it to you that you do not respond to "my agenda" as you call it. Not answering questions (and I asked a few too) and challenges is a mutual thing between us.
Yes, You do quote what I say but then answer only in terms like "my agenda", "what do I care about your rules", "hot air", even "lies". It is my need that you actually address the points I bring up, not just mention, condemn and discard them.
You did not "laugh" at me, but you did say; that I must take the consequence of being laughed at when I did say foolish things.
It is hardly an alleged accusation when I say that you "Judge". You are a very judgemental person, towards Ali Sina and me. and any one can see that in almost every one of your comments.
And THAT is a direct answer to your question "Why the alleged accusations. …?"
So I do answer some of your questions/ challenges quite directly, and many more indirectly, relevantly. As good as, or I daresay better, then you answer mine.
You don't understand even sarcasm LOL
The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.
Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.
I never read your pasted verses from Quran.I already maintain that everyone has access to that filth.Henmce no use wasting few kbs of space on filth here.
The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.
Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.
No I didn't talk of sequences.
You did.You were referring to Bernoulli trials, remember?
It's like you're talking about something which you don't know anything about and obviously making mistakes. And then pretending as if the other made it. LOL
The point is, you can't just assert that 'odds' of one of two options happening is 50% unless you establish that the two options are equally likely.
Unless you prove that, your claim of 50% advantage is just unsubstantiated hypothesis which isn't worth any more than an hypothesis that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had fathered 137 Camels.
You can use endless ad-hominems,but you will still be wrong.
There are 2 versions of this event. Also what Sina claims is of course totally false – I will post both later with translations. And discrediting this.
As I have mentioned previously – Sina is unable to examine any references that he reads – from first hand perspective – neither does he bother to check up.
This once AGAIN – he has copied from the Christians. . . . this is there argument!
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Also the fallacy of cutting up an argument and twisting it to suit his own purposes – never worries him
"So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them. "
All he had to do is . . . give few examples . . . which he fails to do.
"So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them. "
Again . . . you keep up this
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Sina has started to make these strange lies up . . . for example I had clearly emailed him to ask for the 4th edition book . . . yet he said I hadn't. I had point out – where in a one line email I had asked him for the BOOK!
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Then his lie that I hadn't read his book – which he was going to prove . . . then he said – he was going to question me . . . .and if I passed this – he will apologize publicly here . .. I waited for him yesterday – all day.
He didn't bother to respond . . . then he sent an email – saying that he will think up the questions and then invite . . .
I was fully prepare to answer all questions . . . yet he is the one NOT responding . . .
But he has kept up this little lie!
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If you cannot respond properly . . . then why this pathetic drama?
Here is the article. It is actually a book. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli…
“As I have already mentioned you haven’t – so just to reiterate here is kind of pathetic ”
So far you have read only 17 pages. Keep reading. You will find them.
" I see no big need of examples and backup, ALL THE TIME. "
No – the fact is YOU NEVER DO . . . you are a waffler . . . you waffle.
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"And I admit that may be faulty. but it is also extremely cumbersome, slowing, downright annoying, and lacking in trust in humans to be smart and honest or well-read. "
No – darling . . . its the only way . . . that is why – whatever you say is MEANINGLESS – if you claim something – then it your job to back it up . . . else i will call your claims BOGUS. Which I do . . . the thing is it never bothers you . . . after some time – you will simply REPEAT the same agenda.
" it is not my way or the way of most people I know or observe. "
This is OUT AND OUT LIE . . . i am calling YOU A LIAR.
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"So I do move on, but totally relative to the discussion, always. "
No you don't – you repeat the ONE agenda you have – over and over.
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"You don't have to respond to me, even if I have the right to respond to you, like Ali Sina."
What do you mean like Ali Sina . . . no one HAS to respond . . Sina will just look WEAK – which he is. Hence WHY he resorted to personal attacks – and SOME very very strange lies.
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"And you may consider that we speak to other readers too, however few. As, no doubt, you not just aim your words at me, or Ali Sina, but to visitors as well."
I can assure you – WHEN talking to YOU – I am JUST talking to you.
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See – again YOU IGNORED WHAT I ASKED FROM ABOVE – AND RAN YOU OWN LITTLE AGENDA.
ESPECIALLY YOUR PETTY ACCUSATIONS THAT YOU LEVELED AT ME – WHICH YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN . . . HENCE THEY WERE BOGUS – AND YOU WERE CLEARLY LYING . . .
. . . RATHER THAN ANSWERING – YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT IT IS NOT YOUR "STYLE"
WOW! WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE.
"But I DO bother to read and think about what you say. But this is my way of answering. And BY GOD in my way I did answer relatively to what you wrote, in the most honest, you might even say, guileless, way. "
What . . by repeatedly not answering the questions I ask. . . your arguments tend to lead towards the same thing – hence I end up asking the same questions in return. You don't bother to answer.
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"I will also say that there is freedom of speech, and I use that, and there is nothing wrong with what I do say. "
What the hell has "freedom of speech" got to do with anything . . . once again – you waffle on and on . . .
I have simply said – if you are NOT going to answer anything – you find too difficult – or you are going to AIR that one agenda over and over and over . . . then dont bother to reply to me.
It is useless and meaningless and time waste.
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"You set up certain rules, which I was not even remotely aware of. "
Again . . . I don't know what the hell you are talking about – what rules?
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"But I emphatically inform you here that I have vastly different, more relaxed rules of discussion."
Again – what has that got to do with whatever I asked you . . . I don't bloody care about YOUR rules and whatnot.
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You have ONE agenda – after some time – you repeatedly air that. . . I have even pointed this out before – however you shamelessly repeat it.
Just look at how much time you spend waffling on about – rules and your memory and whatever else. . . why bother?
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"So be it. you have the freedom to judge and laugh all you want "
Touche . . . . when have I *laughed* at you . . . if not – why the alleged accusations . . . ?
"This is just about Sina – and his work."
Yes, but either in 1 or 2 ways; partially or totally. If it is partially, bit by bit, what you say seems highly valid, backed-up, reasoned, logical, hard to refute, although not perfect.
But you have to admit that that is only partial and based on that you refrain from making sweeping statements about him and his work.
And instead of asking me to refer to what you wrote, which is YOUR STYLE, but not mine, which I NEVER ask you to provide ME. Without which I think I can still carry on an honest and meaningful debate,
can you right now answer that you only very PARTIALLY have examined, refuted and judged his work and do not make judgments and recommendations as if you studied his total work?!
But you have not begun to scratch the surface, so to speak. To review him totally and comprehensively you are in it for a very long haul, and you almost have to write a book.
And I doubt that it is reasonable to demand proof of agreement between Ali Sina and other writers, who I refer to as Counter-Jihadists, like Robert Spencer, David Wood, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, when this is so abundantly clear, and referenced to by themselves, and often by their opponents as well. Of course they have their differences, but how can you reasonably doubt their agreements? to me it is absurd to doubt everything for lack of back-ups, and examples, evidence. And any way, when is that ever going to be enough for you? When have you ever responded to Ali Sina in this way; Oh, Ali Sina, in this particular case you did provide enough and good enough back up, examples, evidence? I think you never did that. If you ever did it, please provide reference.
And all this time we know that no such scrutiny is put on the originators of Islam, also mere humans, not all so scientific, logical, developed, honest, unbiassed, forthcoming with evidences and sources as one (you?) might wish. Falling back as they did, on Revelation, not Reason.
"The things is – I give EXAMPLES and backup what I say. . . what do you do? You always make claims – when I challenge – you don't have an answer – you simply move on . . . you have DONE that time and time again. "
And there you have our BIG difference, AminRiadh. I see no big need of examples and backup, ALL THE TIME. And I admit that may be faulty. but it is also extremely cumbersome, slowing, downright annoying, and lacking in trust in humans to be smart and honest or well-read. it is not my way or the way of most people I know or observe.
So I do move on, but totally relative to the discussion, always.
If my style is no good for you, no problem, I hope you find responders more to your liking. You don't have to respond to me, even if I have the right to respond to you, like Ali Sina. And you may consider that we speak to other readers too, however few. As, no doubt, you not just aim your words at me, or Ali Sina, but to visitors as well.
So I should live in Pakistan and Afghanistan to understand Islam or humanity ??? lol
Well according to you this is logical proof ! Hopeless stupid grow up and limit your hatred to improve yourself.
Why should you have pain up in ass for what people believe or not ? Healthy mind doesn't fear laws !
But I DO bother to read and think about what you say. But this is my way of answering. And BY GOD in my way I did answer relatively to what you wrote, in the most honest, you might even say, guileless, way.
Like Ali Sina I also do and did admit to partiality on my side. I too, of course, have prejudices, prior beliefs. but I have a good memory and very often I recollect something someone else said and understand it better later on.
What I am used to is talking, debating in such a way that both sides get to say what they want, in equal measure. No one has to convince the other. We can agree to disagree.
Look, while I will read you again and think about what is LACKING in my ANSWERS to you, like examples, and going in depth into issues you raised, and try to remedy that,
I will also say that there is freedom of speech, and I use that, and there is nothing wrong with what I do say. It is entirely valid what I do. At least where I come from and in the vast majority of my discussions, and those I have witnessed between others, including those on TV between accomplished politicians.
You set up certain rules, which I was not even remotely aware of.
But I emphatically inform you here that I have vastly different, more relaxed rules of discussion. Vastly less dependent on showing examples, backing statements up. Vastly more about agreeing to disagree. And accepting that a person came to a conclusion with a minimum of thinking well, experience, gut feeling, honesty. And taking it from there.
So be it. you have the freedom to judge and laugh all you want
or to react not at all.
Wrong site Marwa.
Asking these Islam haters to read the Quran is like asking an elephant to do a back one and a half somersault reverse two and a half somersault flying forward one and a half somersault pike back dive half twist straight position armstand back double somersault tuck dive.
And we all know the answer to that!
Look at JK Rowling. How much wealth has she amassed by just writing a book of fiction (Harry Potter)? Ali Sina's claims are nearly as big as man walking on the moon, but look at his support and fan following. $300 dollars per year!
They say that proof is in the pudding. And what does the pudding say? Islam is growing and more people are coming to Islam despite what is being thrashed about in the media around the globe.
Any person who has made it their personal vendetta to bring down an 'Institution', but cannot learn the language of the 'Institution' in order to verify their claims and strengthen their case, shows one of 2 things. 1, They are incompetent or 2, they have an ulterior motive. Ali Sina can by all means argue that he is relying on translations which are good enough for him, but we will always say, talk in the same language to prove your stance. Until such time he actually learns the language, we will always have this over him. He has had 18 years to do so, but still cannot do it. Rosetta Stone or Online Arabic classes would be a good start. 9 months and Ali Sina could be fluent.
If what Ali Sina says is true, then all I ask of him is to overcome death. Stop yourself from dying Ali Sina and live for 150 years so that you can complete your job.
Until then, you will keep ranting and raving and we will keep growing and laughing, AT YOU.
15:14 Even if We opened out to them a gate from heaven, and they were to continue (all day) ascending therein,
15:15 They would only say: "Our eyes have been intoxicated: Nay, we have been bewitched by sorcery."
And they say Islamic apologists? They can kiss our a@@es and keep kissing them until Judgement Day. The only thing I am sorry for, is wasting my time listening to his tripe. His is a minority, always has been and always will be.
"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change."
-Confucius
And Ali Sina is not the former, that's for sure.
I deserve the $50,000 just for being on this site!
@aminriadh. I must commend you for even continuing debating on here using the level of intellect you are using.
I have personally given up that route and am now just mud slinging custard pies like one does at the fairground taking aim at will, on the leader and his cultist fan members. As soon as the dust settles, any sane normal person will see that this site is nothing but hate monger promotion against Islam.
Every other day you have a phantom apostate (most probably Ali Sina pretending to be apostate or one of his Hindu brethren) claiming to have left Islam but is hiding in fear of their lives. Even my kids nursery schools can come up with better acting during their school plays!
I have shown in simple logic Ali Sina does not have a leg to stand on with his claims and it is all about the money. He obviously is struggling to make ends meet in Canada or wherever he is hiding, (most probably India in my books) as he seems to be posting at very unusual times which don't fall in line with the Canadian time zones and his fan following seem to be Hindu Indians more than anything else. The reason why he doesn't come public is most probably to do with visa requirements for travel and the costs involved.
I mean, if he can make allegations and come up with his viewpoint on Islam, Mohammed and Muslims, then by the same standard (his Golden Rule), I can do the same. He will always be lost and promote hate, where we Muslims will always be blessed and promote peace.
We are the majority here and not Alis Sina's Atheistic way. We are doing him the favour for showing our presence on here and actually talking to him considering the amount of venom he spews against Islam.
Has anyone ever asked what home made psycho-analysis he carried out with Jesus and Moses? Where are the books? Or doesn't he want to go down that route in case he offends his masters? He will no doubt waffle on about Jesus was a good guy and Moses was this and that, but Mohammed was blah blah blah. This is the usual responses from people who fear Islam because Islam is the Truth and always has been.
Sometimes, you have to think outside the box to see what is inside the box. Thinking outside the box is more than just a cliché. It means approaching problems in new, innovative ways; conceptualizing problems differently; and understanding your position in relation to any particular situation in a way you’d never thought of before. Ironically, its a cliché that means to think of clichéd situations in ways that aren’t clichéd.
After we have thought outside the box, we still come to the same conclusion about Islam and this is the part Ali Sina and Co get real uppity about. They find it hard to comprehend why Muslims are Muslims and cannot for the life of themselves work it out. Similar to how we Muslims think, how dumb must you be to deny your Creator and think you have come from nothing, are something, but will go to nothing. The answer is CHOICE.
We have that choice to believe or not to believe. Despite what Ali Sina says or does, Islam is growing. This is an irrefutable fact. He will no doubt put his own twist on it and so will his followers, but the reality is, Islam is growing faster in the very region he so wants it to be removed from.
Common sense dictates that if he had even a shred of evidence to back up his claims, the non Islamic entities would be throwing themselves at him and giving him every tool in the book to complete his job and make further advancements. But the reality is, that they all see him and his views for what they are, shrug there shoulders and continue on with life once again disappointed that another claimer could not deliver what he so promised.
Did you pad out out your comment – by replying to your own self? Surely not?
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" And even among at least neutral historians, like Hans Jansen, but also Bernard Lewis. "
Both of these WERE NOT NEUTRAL – in any way shape or form. Again – evidence? Any examples?
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"And if you were honest and practicing what you preach, you would have admitted at least that, but no he talk as if he much be discarded, together with all his points."
If I am DISHONEST in anything . . . point it out? You haven't. . . I can show you your treacherous nature – this is EXACTLY the same form of ARGUMENT – when you first replied to me.
I answered this there . . . . rather than coming up with something solid – you repeat these lies all over again. Why?
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"Well, bias or wrong methodology he may have, but do all the others that agree with him have that too? "
Absolutely fallacious – this is a logical fallacy – you cannot equate "supposed" agreements – that you haven't pointed out . . . to Sina. All others are JUDGED on their OWN merits. Which has NOTHING to do with Sina.
I have told you this BEFORE – yet rather than answering once AGAIN you repeat this BS. This is just about Sina – and his work.
See by trying to equate Sina with others – by supposed agreement – none which you have mentioned – this is earning false legitimacy – and it doesn't work.
If Sina is WRONG – he is wrong . . . . what else is there to say.
I suspect you knew this – even before you made the suggestion.
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"And I might add that Ali Sina, faulty as he may be, at least provide a counterweight to all those Muslims and Islamic scholars who of necessity for ages and massively were biased in favor of Islam?"
Hang on . . . on one hand you admit Sina is faulty – on the other hand he is a counter-weight. . . that doesn't work. Again fallacious logic and atrocious point to make.
I will go and rob a bank tomorrow – then when up in front of the judge say I am providing counter-weight to all those who haven't robbed a bank.
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"And they, for the longest time, forbade even the slightest criticism! But you, you can argue to your heart's content here, on Ali Sina's own website, in the most contradicting and derogatory way! "
I like the parting shot . . . show me – where i have been contradictory – I will show you many examples of Sina . . . which you refuse to see.
Show me . . . where I have been derogatory? I will show and prove this is Sina's attitude towards me.
I HAVE SAID IT TO YOU BEFORE – YOU ARE NOT ONE BIT INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AN ISSUE – YOU ARE ABOUT VENTING YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT SINA – AND YOU DO THAT WITH WHOLE LOAD OF BS . . . TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT I SAY. SO WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO AIM I AT ME? IT IS MEANINGLESS TO DO SO.
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"But I put it to you that you too are going to prove wrong and condemn Ali Sina not just in something but in anything he says, regardless. That your comments are also not about truthfinding. "
Yes – but considering that YOU are – a supporter of SINA and have been throughout – it is OBVIOUS that you will make such claims.
The things is – I give EXAMPLES and backup what I say. . . what do you do? You always make claims – when I challenge – you don't have an answer – you simply move on . . . you have DONE that time and time again.
Why don't you read these bits carefully – why is it that they simply fly over your head?
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"Maybe it is true what you say about the strong bias and the wrong methodology of Ali Sina. I don't know. "
If you don't know then what the hell are you commenting for? Go back read the comments – and then make your mind up . . . it is CLEAR he has no methods and he applies none. This "don't know" – in the mean time i am interpreting as a "lie".
If there is something you don't know or understand – why don't you ask?
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"Also you will probably find that most ordinary people will not go up to your high level of reasoning and so also will not or cannot justifiably most other ordinary people to use it. and heed it, like you may hope. "
Bullshit – again . . . and meaningless – this is why proper methodologies ARE followed. . . to discern fright from start. By insulting people's intelligence at large – that is simply pathetic.
There is no such things as " high level of reasoning"
I simply point out – contradictions – mistakes – lack of evidence – falsifications etc and they are VERY easy to understand.
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"As I said earlier, the kind of reasoning, logic, scientific approach you use, must of necessity at least sometimes end in trumping religious authority and accumulated wisdom/ beliefs. Likewise a neutral police can come up with surprising conclusions after neutral, painstaking and logical investigation, exonerating a suspect and implicating a beloved, high-placed person. "
Like I said to you . . . you odn't bother to read what I answer – hence you repeat your BS. Why? Again this is all meaningless nonsense – what is the point of it all?
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"Hence when Ali Sina's work is studied by you, we read a lot of your reactions and condemnations and judgments. But you are nothing like a neutral scientific truthfinder or conscientious policeman, because if you were, then YOU almost of necessity would by now have admitted at least some really incontrovertable cases against Mohammed. "
See – like I said you are one treacherous individual . . . I put forward – Sina lies, falsification, fallacies and etc.
I have told you often enough . . . you come out with this HOT AIR – it is simply meaningless – why don't you for example highlight – where have I been wrong . . . with Sina and his work?
And why have you gone BACK on your words . . . from yesterday – when you were claiming different to this . . . and you are just accusing me.
And that without evidence. Why don't you get involved in the actual work . . . rather then this BS.
Ha . . . you have made such allegation . . . repeatedly – whenever I press for EVIDENCE – you disappear. . . . a while later you will appear . . . and repeat it all over again.
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"And you would have known, because you would have honestly impartially studied, that many of Ali Sina's points are mainstream among counter-jihadist writers."
Such as . . . name them – something that is wrong is wrong – no matter who it is by. And there is no such thing as "counter-jihadist" – that is YOUR labeling and it means absolutely nothing.
What is it that you think – that I need to study impartially – do point it out.
See how deep your treacherous allegations run . . yet you won't provide evidence for any – it will be HOT AIR allover again.
It's not assertion, you should live in pakistan or afghanisthan to understand this.
is it fair to worship a psychopath who burn people in hell for eternity just coz not believing ?
Look at how treacherous you are . . . it is NOT merit of discourse that you discuss but the same agenda. . . I have highlighted it time and time again. . . it flies right over you. Do you honestly this you Bull**** works?
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"But psychologists and neutral policemen would then surely conclude that you are prejudiced against him. "
What are you talking about . . . name me one such "neutral" person. I disprove Sina and his book – with evidence and lack there of.
"there is only two communities in this world one is Islam and other is humanity " lol
Assertion, ranting are big problems with anti Islamists !
"I have shown ample evidence to back up that claim. Didn't you read them or it just did not sink? The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence. "
As I have already mentioned you haven't – so just to reiterate here is kind of pathetic – why don't you post the evidence here . . . and lets look at it.
"The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence. "
No – what you QUOTED – is general descriptions . . . and the claim is simply your falsification.
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This type of affirmation and such sentences as: "Didn't you read them or it just did not sink?"
They don't work with me. Solid evidence or nothing.
What he claims are description of later life – I will go through.
Sina you should write a separate article on how zakir naik lies to show some miracles in quran.
He misinterprets dahaha as egg and noor as reflected light so please do help every one who is deceived by zakir naik.
I know you have written refutation for the campbell zakir naik debate but as it is too much to read ,
you can write few examples and then provide a link to your refutation
Hey dude it is not about having good life .
don't you think being muslim while islam hates humanity is bad for your conscience?
It seems like you are rational but don't want to accept the fact because of your arrogance.
there is only two communities in this world one is islam and other is humanity .you make your choice based on what has done more good to you .Hell and heaven are longest running ponzi schemes.
trust me.
hey dude eating delicious food as got nothing to do with hypocrisy .
He is just criticising their ideology
You are right about not being talented enough. Forget the language, simple Maths eludes you!
But you brought in the probability method into a simple 1 of 2, did not understand the concept, but claimed to be a probability expert.
I told you time and time again, I was always going to win, which I did. (You couldn't even qualify in the heats).
Stick to looking at the sky trying to catch the stars with your hands whilst standing on the earth!
You got more chance of doing that then understanding 1 of 2 in simple terms. 😉
But you don't understand 50/50 in a 1 of 2 possibilities Loki?
I told you numerous times, I was way ahead of you and always will have that advantage of 50% over you. Just because you say Microsoft doesn't exist, it doesn't mean you are right. We all know it does. Only you are fooling yourself.
How many times do you have to be slapped with the hand to realize it is a slap?
Come on mate, even you cannot be that thick to keep harpering on about 1 of 2 without actually understanding it.
Stick to the day job.
I am talking to a gorilla. You! 😀
If you are really hell bent on arguing for the sake of it, then I will have to put you in check again and show you your flaws again.
It was you that copied me and not the other way around. I quoted the Quran for you dealing with my way to me and your way to you, I quoted the Quran for you concerning dealing with ignorants and I quoted Einstein to you regarding stupidity. Only AFTER seeing these quotes and this type of reasoning, you decided to use the same technique and quote George Orwell.
Is that not the sequence of events?
There you have it. It's all in black and white. I SUGGEST YOU CHECK THE ABOVE ALL THE WAY AND NOT JUST A FEW LINES UP. OOPS.
However, you will still rub your eyes and state the opposite citing 'my eyes have deceived me'.
No wonder you guys follow Ali Sina. Simple comprehension for you guys is like walking to Mars. NEVER!
The sooner you admit your errors, the sooner you can move on. It's really that simple.
@Loki. Unfortunately you are an ex Hindu thus still have the reincarnation doctrine inbedded in you which you keep babbling on about as sequences. Thus the probability infatuation.
Once you step out of this mode, you will understand that there is no sequences to a one flip toss with a 1 of 2 answer. It's really that simple.
However, if you want to start comparing apples and oranges believing them to be the same, just to save some face, by all means do so. We all know the probability of 1of 2 and by that I mean the billions of billions of humans on this earth. It is you that and your 'I come from nothing' theory are now trying to squeeze a camel into the eye of the needle in order to justify 1 of 2 to your way of thinking.
Keep dreaming!
Look, one can easily see that you, Aminriadh, may love your prophet above all else, and that your prophet has been mortally offended by Ali Sina.
But psychologists and neutral policemen would then surely conclude that you are prejudiced against him.
"but no he talk as if he must be discarded, together with all his points."
should be read as:
But no, you talk as if Ali Sin must be discarded, together with all his points.
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"I have successfully highlighted – and Extracted from Sina – that he does NOT follow any accepted academic standards.
His basic position is simply fallacious – it is already biased. He is going to condemn – irrespectively. His book isn't about truth finding – but a fit up job – to find evidence for his position . . . the problem is in the methods employed. Fabricating evidence, not telling the whole truth, not validating evidence, rejecting historical methods. . . and etc. Also – claiming things without any evidence . . . when it is asked for – he fails to provide adequate references. For example the reason for his believing Prophet Muhammad name to be something else – was a solitary video – which in itself lacked adequate references.
This is the point where I commented: that Sina does not follow standards . . . rather than prove me wrong."
There, Aminriadh, I read carefully what you said about Ali Sina and his and your argumentation about the police, it needing to be neutral collecting evidence. Very impressive. Thought about long time and will think about it much more.
But I put it to you that you too are going to prove wrong and condemn Ali Sina not just in something but in anything he says, regardless. That your comments are also not about truthfinding.
Maybe it is true what you say about the strong bias and the wrong methodology of Ali Sina. I don't know.
But if only neutrality and right methodology are allowed you put the standards very high. And later must accept that that same neutrality and right methodology must of necessity also be applied to all beliefs inside Islam and among Muslims. That is also about neutrality.
Also you will probably find that most ordinary people will not go up to your high level of reasoning and so also will not or cannot justifiably most other ordinary people to use it. and heed it, like you may hope.
As I said earlier, the kind of reasoning, logic, scientific approach you use, must of necessity at least sometimes end in trumping religious authority and accumulated wisdom/ beliefs. Likewise a neutral police can come up with surprising conclusions after neutral, painstaking and logical investigation, exonerating a suspect and implicating a beloved, high-placed person.
Now look at you: You are a Muslim, perhaps an Islam-apologist, and thereby suspect of being basically biased. Suspect of being never prepared to give up essential Islamic beliefs, which do center around the legitimacy of divine revelation, not reason. And you never show signs of ever going against Islamic authority.
Hence when Ali Sina's work is studied by you, we read a lot of your reactions and condemnations and judgments. But you are nothing like a neutral scientific truthfinder or conscientious policeman, because if you were, then YOU almost of necessity would by now have admitted at least some really incontrovertable cases against Mohammed.
And you would have known, because you would have honestly impartially studied, that many of Ali Sina's points are mainstream among counter-jihadist writers. And even among at least neutral historians, like Hans Jansen, but also Bernard Lewis. And if you were honest and practicing what you preach, you would have admitted at least that, but no he talk as if he much be discarded, together with all his points. Well, bias or wrong methodology he may have, but do all the others that agree with him have that too?
Instead why do you not now admit to be every bit as much biased as Ali Sina is, regardless of your fine, high-standard methodology?
And I might add that Ali Sina, faulty as he may be, at least provide a counterweight to all those Muslims and Islamic scholars who of necessity for ages and massively were biased in favor of Islam? And they, for the longest time, forbade even the slightest criticism! But you, you can argue to your heart's content here, on Ali Sina's own website, in the most contradicting and derogatory way!
I have banned Probability in terms of GOD. This is the confirmation that GOD exists. Now SHUT UP !
“That he made up. ”
I have shown ample evidence to back up that claim. Didn’t you read them or it just did not sink? The description of the physiognomy of Muhammad in the later years of his life is recorded in hadith and I quoted several of them as evidence.
No evidence eh? One proof that Muhammad was never at risk in Mecca is the discourse of his uncle Abbas at Aqaba. When the new coverts of Yathrib came to Mecca to pledge their allegiance to Muhammad, Abbas stood up and said,
“O People of Khazraj, you know what position Muhammad holds among us. We have protected him from our own people who think as we do about him. He lives in honor and safety among his people, but he will turn to you and join you. If you think that you can be faithful to what you have promised and protect him from his opponents, then assume the burden you have undertaken. But if you think that you will betray and abandon him after he has gone out with you, then leave him now, for he is safe where he is.” Sirat Rasoul p. 203
This contradicts the claim made in the Quran 8:30 that unbelievers were plotting to bond, or to slay or to exile Muhammad. How can we reconcile these contradictory statements? Truth was irrelevant for Muhammad. He said what was needed in every situation.
Yahh go on.
But that won't undo that you screwed up on page 1 of probability and had to invent a new one to claim an absurdity.
You'll pretty much say Christiano Ronaldo is the President of US and then claim he actually is.
No embarrassment is too big for you 🙂
Well you did copy me 🙂
What now? Deny what is documented just a few lines above?
You visit this bankrupt website more times than I do and get your ass kicked around like a football 🙂
Make elementary mistakes and then invent definitions to cover your sorry ass.
Maybe you can try talking to gorillas.They'll be of your mental level.
"You one are the only one who cannot understand the probability of 1 of 2"
There is nothing called Probability of constants, student Ali 🙂
There is nothing like P(1/2)
Stop embarrassing yourself with something you don't have the faintest idea about.
You brought probability into this.
You said 'odds' of God being there is 50:50 without the faintest idea of how that 50:50 is calculated.
Because of course reading is not your cup of tea.
I'm not talented enough to find a new language.
But you are, because you invented a new probability theory for yourself to support your pathetic claim 🙂
Then ran a race alone, came second and gave yourself the Gold medal LOL
LOL confusing reality with superhero movies?
Nice.. twist whatever you like.
But that still doesn't undo that you goofed up big time on page 1 of a subject and instead of acknowledging your mistake are pathetically trying to cover it up.
Sina's section on "The Myth of Persecution" is one his finest falsifications. He claims many things – without giving a shred of evidence . . . what is even more surprising is that he why he thinks there is no need to give any either – yet expects to be taken seriously.
"Some of the slaves were caught while trying to escape and were beaten. That was not, of course,
religious persecution. The Meccans were simply trying to protect what they considered to be their property. For example, when Bilal was caught, his master, Umaiyah, beat him and put him in chains. Abu Bakr paid his price and he was set free. He was being punished for trying to escape, causing a financial loss to his owner and not for his beliefs."
Evidence? None given . . . evidence from Muslim sources – simply disregarded. On what basis? It did not match his bias. . . . which is a fanatical hate towards Islam and Muslim. Evident through out these comment sections.
Is this telling the truth? Or is this lying? How can one be expected to be taken seriously when pulls such wild stunts?
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"A hadith narrates that Omar, prior to his own conversion, had tied up his sister forcing her to leave
Islam.26 Omar was a violent and strict man, both before and after his conversion. These stories can hardly be classified as religious persecutions."
[Both – page 18 Second edition]
He presents none . . . and terms this as non-persecution . . . of course the only example he gave was of a future Muslim. . . and leaving anything more gory.
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Read this:
"The Meccans, like most non-Muslims of today, were tolerant of all religions. Religious persecution in those lands was unheard of." [Page 17 – 2nd Edition]
Disregarding all evidence . . . this is a complete bare-face lie. Not only that it is fallacious logic.
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No wonder he self-published this . . . I would be surprised to see anyone coming out to defend this. . . who can put some colour into this? Anyone from his so-called supporters?
Continuing from above:
"Physically, Muhammad was a sick man. In his youth, he must have been handsome to Khadijah, a becoming woman herself. However in the last years of his life he acquired odd features his companions found strange."
Again this is a complete falsification. The Hadith he quotes as support:
“The Prophet had big hands and feet, and I have not seen anybody like him, neither before nor after him, and his palms were soft.”
This does not indicate on what he claims . . . this is a general description . . . there is no time frame attached to it. Yet normally Sina would have rejected this as a "miracle" Hadith . . . but he made this to serve his purpose. Even though fallaciously.
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Read what he says next:
"A review of
them may provide us with clues about his state of health and ailments. Muhammad’s followers have gone out of their way to describe him superlatively – praising his radiance, saying how his beauty surpassed that of the moon, or how everyone stood in awe of his moonlike beauty and awe inspiring presence, etc. These are subjective descriptions and of little scientific or factual value and I will not quote them. The following are some of his followers’ more objective description of him."
Yet – Sina isn't honest – when dealing with – on one had he assumes Khadijah – must have found him handsome – but without reason or warning – then he rejects Hadith that describe him as handsome. He rejects the subjective descriptions – and deals with partial physiological descriptions. But even then he is not completely honest.
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Take this example:
"walked briskly (restlessness)"
Walking briskly – does not equal to restlessness.
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Another example:
"His body was well-proportioned, stout and muscular, of equal belly and chest. He was wide shouldered, big- jointed."
This he quotes from Hadith. . .
But: "However in the last years of his life he acquired odd features his companions found strange."
That he made up.
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Lets look at this:
"In the description of Muhammad we read that he had a rosy complexion. However, several other ahadith say that when he raised his hands showing his armpits, or when riding a horse exposing a thigh, his companions noticed the whiteness of his skin. Hyper pigmentation occurs in roughly 40% of cases of acromegaly and almost always in photo exposed areas. It is probably due to the associated increase of melanotrophic hormone. That is why his face was reddish while the parts of his body not exposed to light were white."
Yet . . . this is perfect description of some Semitic people – for example Syrians – look at this girl:
http://www.thirdage.com/news-photo/syrians-protes…
It is amazing how he manages to twist this. The whiteness or loss of any pigmentation is NOT described in the Hadith. This as previously shown is his falsification. He has not presented any Hadith – that describe any abnormalities [I haven't come across any yet] . . . these descriptions he uses are simply general.
Still 50% better than you.
Why would I cover up anything when it is you that doesn't understand 1 of 2 and falsely attaches probability sequences to a straight one off event?
When will you ever learn?
I told you at the beginning that I will always have that 50% advantage over you and proved it using your own theory.
Don't blame me mate, blame yourself for bringing probability into the equation.
And for billions of others Loki.
You one are the only one who cannot understand the probability of 1 of 2.
Night school might be an option.;)
If I copied you Loki, I'd be bankrupt for not understanding the concept of 1 of 2 in simple arithmetic.
Do I want to be someone claiming a whole lot of nothing, having nothing, gaining nothing, making nothing and walking with a calculator 24/7 possessed with probabilities without actually understanding what it means, delusionally thinking to have kicked one the world's greatest movements ass by visiting a bankrupt website with a lame ass leader like Guru Swami Ji Ali Sina?
I don't think so!
I'll take my chances being me.
Another fit up?
[ [ [ The following is a list of what we can learn about Muhammad’s physical
traits from the hadith:
heavy and thick fleshy hands and feet
wide and doughlike palms
large head
large bones and joints
wide chest, large upper back and shoulder-joints
long forearms
long thick fingers and toes
long, aquiline fleshy nose that looked upturned
wide mouth and thick lips
large eyes
spaced teeth
long silvery neck
luster on his skin (looked oily)
thick beard and hair, dense protruding eyebrows
walked leaning forward as if ascending a slope (stiffness)
walked briskly (restlessness)
difficulty moving the neck and turned with full torso (catatonic behavior)
had white skin with a reddish tinge
sweating
peculiar smell that he masked with excessive perfume
snored like a camel
suffered from head-ache (performed cupping to alleviate it)
In later years he was impotent
lips moved involuntarily
was shy and prudish
] ] ]
Sina lists these for a condition called "Acromegaly."
Here is the catch . . . the Hadith to back this up do not match exactly what he wrote above. The things that were in contradiction he simply discarded – some he claims to be "miracles" – yet not all
Some things he has falsified as an example given above. Also there is his strange – impotency theory – which in itself is falsehood. [Details Coming Soon]
Some are left unreferenced.
Some – what he says are sings of acromegaly. Just aren't its known sings that I have managed to find.
Stay off the crack mate, stay off the crack!
Another falsification, found in both editions 2 & 4:
"Bukhari also has written that Muhammad’s feet and legs were swollen."
Yet the Hadith says:
Narrated Al-Mughira:
"The Prophet used to stand (in the prayer) or pray till both his feet or legs swelled. He was asked why (he offered such an unbearable prayer) and he said, "should I not be a thankful slave."
Volume 2, Book 21, Number 230
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Which if you compare are not the same things – He did not have swollen feet generally – but DUE to something.
Hopeless try of copying me. 🙂
But what's original in you anyway?
Except covering up goof-ups?
At least I can work out the probability.
You can't.
It's always 50-50 for you 🙂
No workshop can help you 🙂
You are doomed!
All you do is try to cover up childish mistakes with made-up theories.
This is from his book – edition 4:
"Muslims claim that Muhammad was known to be an honest man as the Meccans called him Amin (trustee). This is simply not true. Amin was the title of those who sold and bought merchandise on behalf of others. "
This is a strange falsification – I will explore this further and more thoroughly. Again he provides no evidence to back this claim up. I think what he has done is simply gone through a modern Arabic dictionary. Hence:
"One is called school trustee, or city trustee because of his profession. The title
"Amin" is a label for every sort of profession. Here are some examples: Amin El-Makataba (Trustee of the library); Amin El-Shortaa (Police Trustee); and Majlass El-Omnaa (Counsil of Trustees.)"
But these are modern connotations . . . the word Amin – whose root is Aa Ma Na امن means safety and the word and its derivatives have many related meanings . . . The primary meaning of the word is honest & reliable. The word is considered as صفة مشبة which in Arabic an adjective with permanent quality as opposed to اسم الفاعل
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"Had the Meccans believed Muhammad to be trustworthy they would not have derided him when he told them that he had received a message from God."
Really? Again how do you know this . . . just because someone is truthful – does not mean everything from such person is automatically accepted. What Prophet Muhammad proposed – would have radically altered the society and social structure – and that would have been accepted like that? No.
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"According to Muhammad’s own admission made in the Quran, those who knew him best called him a liar and a madman, (Q.15:6)"
But the verse says no such thing:
Sahih International 15:6
And they say,"O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad.
Sahih International – 15:7
Why do you not bring us the angels, if you should be among the truthful?"
This does not equal to calling someone a "mad" or "liar" – in general terms – but it is over a specific matter.
And this: "“Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman.” (Q.52:29)"
Is hardly denying to be a "liar"
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Sina's claims are difficult to judge as he does not reference such material. This appeared to be against his profile of prophet Muhammad – and it seems he found any material to attempt to discredit. But with no basis. . . .whatsoever to do so.
Wal-Mart?
Or you working out the probability of how to get there after you actually get there?
Do not forget the calculator!
Yes Loki. The millions and millions of apostates you and Ali Sina have helped leave Islam by using the secret weapon.
Yes you got it…… this website! OMG.
We have got our asses kicked so bad that we have denounced Islam.
I want to come to one of yours and Ali Sina's workshops to learn the art of delusion and help get diagnosed with it.
Please help.
And Martin Luther King, Jr said something for you:
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
You're welcome!
😀
Obviously you've not recovered from the beating, thus the confusion of 1 of 2.
Never mind, time is a great healer.
Just like your new understanding of 1 of 2, you also have a new language.
You are so cool.
Ali Sina has nothing on you!
Keep it up, soon you'll work out the theory of butt butt ding ding.
Now that's one for the books!
Now I get it. It's the same as your understanding of 1of 2. Home made!
Well done.
By the way, I've got only 2 coins in my pocket. Can you tell me how many coins I have got in my pocket?
Take your time and work out the probability first Gupta…… I mean Loki.
😉
Just checking – was it just that comment – or can I still post.
If you say so Loki, if you say so.
What's the pass rate of your students? 0.00%.
Listen up, my mate wants to liquidate his company as it's nearing bankruptcy and he's looking for a real dimwit accountant who can't understand simple arithmetic, so the process can be sped up and can become bankrupt with no protection
Fancy the job? I'll put in a real good word for you and explain to him that you cannot understand 1 of 2 logic, despite it being in your face from umpteen different sources. And all you talk about is probability because you probably heard the word on the TV.
What do you say?
Pays real schit but you will have your calculator with you to work out the probabilities that have been deluding you all your life. Screw Bernoulli Trials, you'll have carte blanche to make up Loki Trial.
I'll tell him how dumb you really are so he is impressed with your dumbness and will be dumbfounded when he meets you.
I posted a reply – but I got the – your comments must be approved . . . thing.
And before Sina accuses me . . I have took a screen shot – it was longish reply – I have no effort left to repeat it.
Clicking on edit – to attempt a retrieval gave me this:
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So you are helping in the obliteration of Islam?
Congrats!
No actually you are right! Without Islamoretards like you, whose asses shall we kick?
Thanks for helping us kick your ass 😀
That's the new name of your probability theory?
Oh! A new theory that keeps changing it's name every 10 minutes!
That's cool innovation!
No it's your imagination that's fertile enough to think that a naked Genie whished his wand and the TV came into being. So you would describe it better. You could take references from the Quran. Maybe it'll help you.
By the way how is life a bitch for you?You just got the Alian Nobel prize in Alian Physics,Alian Chemistry,Alian Medicine,Alian Economics and the best 🙂 Alian "Peace" LOL
George Orwell wrote something for you:-
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength"
😀
"Ital'ian dinner?
'Ricard'ian theory of rent?
Ali'an theory of Probability?
Yes every blog needs celebrity visitors like us to bring life and keep it happening lol
You're welcome oh frog of the Islamic well 🙂
You'll surely get friends and croak together 🙂
With the likes of you Loki, this definitely is the most I've learnt on this site.
The probability theory of home made BS.
Where to next with your calculator? Wal -Mart?
I asked this:
"huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong. So what am I wrong over? You make such treacherous claims . . . but why do they always fall apart i wonder? "
Where is your answer?
This isn't it:
"Reason, logic and science, helped by testing experiments may lead to conclusions that differ from and that trump the acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions. "
That is rewording what you wrote before. Same kind of BS that is too general to be meaningful for anything.
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Like I said . . . you talk to your own self mostly – and vent your views – if that is all you are interested in – just don't aim them at me.
What is the point – if you ain't gonna respond proper?
I cannot for the life of me work out Alian? Exactly what does it mean Loki?
Me being British, my English is not too good, but you being Indian, must be able to educate me.
Alian????
"So you accept your retardness as well then Loki? "
Did I? Are you hallucinating by any chance?
But you just did when you said "Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as RETARDED……..". 😀
"Exactly what is Alian?"
'Brown'ian motion?
Babylon'ian empire?
Ali'an Theory of Probability?
Need more clues? 😀
Stop clutching at straws now Loki. Life's a biatch for some, so get over it.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Describe that TV that came out your wall, including the binary probability that it was a Lokisung brand? And do post the pictures for us all to see.
Was it a 1 of 2 chance or was it a 1 of 2 chance?
I suppose in your level of comprehension, it doesn't take 30 minutes, it takes half an hour!!
LMAO.
😀
Still you consider this site important enough to be a regular visitor here.
So you obviously care about Sina's work.You might dismiss it as junk or whatever, but you care to visit here and debate.
If you didn't, you wouldn't be here 🙂
That's the evidence.YOU are the evidence that all the work here has some effect.
I hope that's enough for you.
Oh right!
Too much of superhero films!
That's what landed you in this soup 😀
That's why your version of reality is so distorted.
I should have guessed earlier.
But you know don't try those stunts.Your life could be at risk 🙂
lol You made me smile thank you for your harmless earthworm response !
I will but I have taught you enough today.
At least you'll go to sleep accepting you are a retard 🙂
That's enough knowledge for one day 🙂
Probably the most you have learned on this site ever 🙂
He has to work out the probability of the figure of speech first.
Isn't that so Loki?
Please educate us on the probability of figure of speech, oh almighty Loki, you mastermind you.
I thought you was teaching the PhD students the theory of what the fk am I talking about dressed as probability
Oh you gave your theory a name already?
Nice!
It's a very apt name by the way 🙂
"By the way, did you work out the probability of what colour pants you wore today?"
No,actually you know, you don't need to calculate probability of certain events. Probability of certain events is always 1. Maybe something else in your theory. But probability as we ordinary folks understand that probability is 1 🙂
I know great minds such as yours won't understand these petty things. But you know everyone isn't a genius like you who can invent a new theory to cover his abysmal goof-up in a debate. 🙂
You've got it right Loki.
That's why people like me will always be leaders and people like you will always be followers. It's called 'power'.
With great power comes great responsibility. And my responsibility is to put retards like you in check.
Have you forgotten the beating the Hulk gave you?
An interesting tidbit:
In the second edition – Sina uses Dr Sam Vaknin – a self confessed narcissist, who seems to have a very interesting history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vaknin
Whom he calls:
"Dr. Sam Vaknin is the author of Malignant Self-Love.99 He is regarded as an authority on the subject. He understands and describes the mind of a narcissist like few do. "
But is Vaknin an authority? That is certainly disputable . . . as:
"He acknowledges that some of his theories are not accepted by academics in the field."
As far as I can figure out he does NOT have any qualifications is psychiatry or psychology. Neither is his Phd related. If this is the case – then using the title of "Dr." repeatedly can be very misleading. I can be wrong on this . . . trying to find out more.
His amateur website does have the disclaimer:
"The author is NOT A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL."
He does appear to have great knowledge of the subject – that is not under dispute – but there is clear difference between that and a proper scientific expert. One who follows proper procedures & methods – and has his worked published in relevant academic publications to be judged by other authorities.
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This is more evidence . . . how badly put together this book is. The main basis of his research is – nothing more than looking at Internet.
Now there is nothing wrong with that per-se – however if you do not verify your evidence – and you refuse to follow proper methodology then the value and the quality of work produced is going to be amateurish.
Hence what is the point of claiming such grandiose claims . . . that no academic has ever claimed. When they appear so desperate – for self-published book.
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What really made me laugh was this fourth edition – review:
The hallmark of a seminal work is that it crystallizes into a single, overpowering coherence its reader's dark suspicions, ephemeral unease, and penumbral stirrings. Understanding Muhammad introduces an organizing principle into what hitherto appeared to be utter mayhem and
lethal chaos. Ali Sina’s book offers an explanatory scheme. One "a-ha" moment chases another as things fall into place and a causative chain emerges leading all the way from medieval founder to his current day followers and emulators. This blood-curdling tome is a sweeping, thoughtprovoking,
and thrilling historical panorama that weaves seamlessly insights from numerous disciplines: history, mental health, theology, logics, and more.
I wonder if Sina tested him over Gchat as well. Which I have waited until 9:30 pm GMT. . . . after Sina sent me the book – with another strange 'lie'.
"huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong."
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Reason, logic and science, helped by testing experiments may lead to conclusions that differ from and that trump the acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions.
And it hinders the progress of mankind if reason, logic and science are only allowed to lead to conclusions that do not differ from the religious acquired wisdom of the ages and the authority of established religions. Says scientist Geoffrey Carr in "Megachanges 2050".
So you accept your retardness as well then Loki? Great, at least you've come clean about the nothing to nothing to nothing to nothing to nothing garbage.
By the way, being British my English is not to good. Exactly what is Alian? I've seen you mention it a few times so it couldn't be a typo error as you've spelt it Alian all the time.
Any clues please?
I visit anti-Islamic websites only to know how Anti-Islamists are using Quranic intelligence against Quran.
I don't care about perceptions, perspectives, psychoanalysis as this come as handiwork for me.
Yes I know.
I sympathize with you.
Must be difficult with no friends, right?
That's why you're trying to make friends here.
Good luck.I'm sure you'll find several like minded individuals here.Many Islamoretards visit here.
"It doesn't matter what I say . . . you tend to ignore that."
Noooo, I read "that" avidly, it shocks me regularly. But maybe I should respond more to your points. I thought that I did respond to them, but in a disagreeing way. And listening to people is NOT the same as agreeing with them. And not agreeing with them is not the same as ignoring them.
"Sina – has fallen badly – look at how I blow up his book. Any comments?"
I think you are a very skilled and knowledgeable debater. And yes, I feel sorry for Ali Sina, who has a very difficult opponent in you. And yes, you do make good points. You do corner him regularly.
But this seems to me to happen because Ali Sina makes bold statements and draws sometimes spectacular, harsh conclusions. He has a book, at least 2 websites, and here he has a very high number of articles, debates, theories.
Of himself but also from all over the world from other counterjihadist-writers. In it he extensively shows texts from Quran-Hadiths-Sira and he gives and shows very many critical commentaries on them.
And you, Aminriadh, seem to be in the business of breaking them down, render them worthless as information and useful logic, useless to be trusted by people who seek to see both or all sides of Islam.
You do not believe in him. And you assert that you will only believe his conclusions when they are up to high academic standards and rules of logic. So far you have refuted many conclusions of him and done it well, although perhaps not all conclusive.
But that is still a small part of the huge collection of criticisms of Islam by him and by his editors and writers and by other counterjihadists.
It will be impossible for you to refute everything these writers come up with. And I think it will be impossible for you also to discredit Ali Sina totally (perhaps you can do it partially). Or to discredit all counterjihadists, and these ARE connected to him.
And now I come the other side of the coin. You are an Islam-apologist. You have a religion to defend, which has a finite studyable set of beliefs-rules. And just as you can break down parts of Ali Sina's conclusions, the counterjihadists can break down Islam. And they can point to alternative theories, and laws and practices, from which Islam does differ and which they prefer over Islam.
So far many Muslims relied on revelation as THE legitimization of Islam. If you now start to rely on reason, science, logic as legitimization of Islam, then sooner or later the challenge will be returned to Islam-apologists. And Islam will be scrutinized with the same rigourous methods and reference to them being use by you to scrutinize Ali Sina.
In the end I hope both sides will compromise. You definitely win some points here, but you cannot win all or even most points, which will become clear enough later on.
And if you don't compromise then, you will be seen as unable to discard essential Islamic authority and Islamic wisdom of the past in favor of scientific and logical newer conclusions.
And hence either too deep in denial or stubborn or dishonest to admit at least partial defeat and powerlesness or again simply relying on revelation and no more than that.
And hence you will eventually lose credibility, especially to high academic minds, who themselves know eventual compromise is often unavoidable. The ability to compromise, following openness to opposite opinions, was one of the characteristics that the West has more than Islam according to Ibn Warraq in his book "Defending the West".
You still here (Professor Loki)?
I thought you was teaching the PhD students the theory of what the fk am I talking about dressed as probability.
Oh.. I do have fun with your level of intellect.
By the way, did you work out the probability of what colour pants you wore today?
Really?
You don't understand 1 of 2?
Should have told me earlier, I wouldn't have bothered explaining probability to you.
Sorry mate. To trouble you with things beyond your understanding.
Shush! Inventor.
Don't waste your precious brain on debating.
There is Alian theory of Gravitation, Alian English, Alian theory of Evolution to invent.
Get to work!
"Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as retarded as someone claiming to come from nothing, going to nothing, getting nothing, but claiming something but cannot understand the meaning of 1 of 2"
So you accept that inventing Alian Theory of probability was retarded?
Good. At least you know that you are retarded. That's enough learning for you today. 🙂 You're already stressed from all that learning.
Be careful here. Loki is probably a problematic individual who's having problems, infatuated with probability trying to work out the probability of him probably trying to understand probability, probably knowing he probably will never understand.
He is the type of person who takes a calculator with him to KFC and tries to work out the probability of him getting a leg or thigh when ordering, when he could simply ask for it!
Isn't that right Professor Loki?
You should have spent the years learning simple comprehension skills rather than religious texts, Loki.
😀
I am certain you are wasting your time. There is nothing to dissect in my comment ! lol
Get educated in figure of speech !
See Ya (student) Ali.
Yes, and do read the first page of the probability book.
Maybe you'll learn the first correct thing in your life 🙂
"I knew I am human being since I was sixteen"
Raised with gorillas?
Emperor?
Great!! Name of your country or province?
Islamutopia?
"I don't have friends"
See? I knew it!
"I have slaves wanna join?"
Do you really need to advert about Islam's affinity with slavery here? 🙂
"I read these chapters and the earlier book. Got a clear general picture of official Islamic history and the theory and practice of Islam. And the contradictions that exist between Islamic en Democratic Western laws. "
What is "official Islamic history"?
Of course Loki.
And you invented the theory of 'I cannot understand 1 of 2'.
The phrase you're looking for is 'you're welcome'.
😀
"He agreed with Ali Sina about all the essential stuff. Like abrogation; he wrote a book about Mohammed in Mecca and Medina. "
You will have to elaborate . . . . and provide me bio links of the person you are talking about.
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If you have the material – I'd be grateful for it:
[email protected]
"A simple example of a Bernoulli trial is the flipping of a balanced coin
1. There are only 2 possible outcomes; head or tails.
2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of 1/2. "
I've already said, to talk about Bernoulli's you have to first learn PROBABILITY.
So you're basically saying probability of God's existence is 1/2 because it is 1/2?
Wow, that's deep! 🙂
Yes go on. Ramble about Alian theory of probability 🙂
You might give yourself an Alian Nobel prize as well.
You'll file the nomination, you'll be the jury, you'll award the prize and you'll receive it too 🙂
More evidence for Qathem. The name.
ورجل قثم وقذم إذا كان معطاء . وقثم مالا إذا كسبه . وقثام : اسم للغنيمة إذا كانت كثيرة . وقد اقتثم مالا كثيرا إذا أخذه . وفي حديث المبعث : أنت قثم ، أنت المقفى ، أنت الحاشر ، هذه أسماء النبي سيدنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم . وفي الحديث : أتاني ملك فقال : أنت قثم وخلقك قيم ،
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.p…
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However – it is the meanings I am after. . . those alleged by Sina are not found in Classical dictionary.
This was about Hans Jansen, een Islamologist. He agreed with Ali Sina about all the essential stuff. Like abrogation; he wrote a book about Mohammed in Mecca and Medina.
In the book "De Islam, kritische essays over een politieke religie" (Critical essays about a political religion). It is compiled by Sam + Wim van Rooij. He wrote 2 chapters: "De kloof tussen de Islam en het Westen' (The gap between the Islam and the West). en "sharia en jihad versus vrijheid en vrede" (Sharia & Jihad versus freedom and peace).
I read these chapters and the earlier book. Got a clear general picture of official Islamic history and the theory and practice of Islam. And the contradictions that exist between Islamic en Democratic Western laws.
YOU are the evidence.
That you are typing here, trying unsuccessfully to argue(or whatever it is you are trying) is evidence that Sina is doing "something" right.
If he were so unsuccessful why would you be motivated to come to this site?
"Lets analyze probability with binary system 0 and 1. There is probability of 0 or 1 with 50% chance on both"
The second sentence is an assumption.How did you reach that assumption?
"Please replace Classical theory of probability with common sense"
I'd be glad to do so, but then you can't talk about of "probability" of existence of God.You can say Allah'bility, Muhammad'bility, God'ability whatever you like, but not probability. If you talk probability you can't define it the way you like. It has several established definitions.
Thanks for the link. The original advice came from Stephen Jay Gould. It was indeed about not giving creationists the "oxygen which debating with real scientists" would give them, being seen by the gullible masses who believe in them.
veeeery strange. I am not a Christian, but a Darwinist, a follower of Richard Dawkins and like-minded people. and with this attitude I cannot agree.
Of course you are a genius!
After all you invented Alian theory of probability 🙂
The way you spread hate . . . how disgusting.
Sina,
need your explanation here
muhammed also had sex with his sister abu talibs daughter Um Hani and when he was caught with his pants down he claimed he was riding a donkey with a beautiful womans face(buraq) whole night long ,many smart people left islam that day. sirat rasoul allah page 128.
this is new info to me
Well we all know that's never going to happen in your lifetime. (I mean the eradication Islam). So why bother waste your time Ali Sina?
But don't most Canadian Immigrants work 2-3 jobs?
It is pretty clear that many new immigrants have a long and difficult time getting established in their chosen occupations. While there are many causes including economic, political and social, these solutions are a collective struggle and need to be solved. They are usually beyond the control of the individual.
While most new immigrants have done some research, talked to others and have a pretty good idea of what to expect, the reality of joblessness and "odd jobs" is still a cruel shock especially to older well-established professionals. Starting at the bottom twice in a lifetime is not often a welcome prospect and that much harder both physically and psychologically, when you are older. And you Ali Sina are not far off from 70 odd years old, with one foot already in the grave.
These new immigrants are professionals, engineers, geologists, computer programmers, medical doctors, bankers, accountants and business professionals, but most of them are working on daily wages as security guards, cleaning workers, at McDonalds, at KFCs, at Burger Kings, taxi drivers, etc.
Whenever a lucky, highly qualified worker finds an odd job, the job does not last more than a few weeks. These immigrants are purposely kept on probation for a period of time and then let go. Companies do not want to make them permanent in order to save benefit costs and higher salaries. This is called abuse under the cover of freedom.
A prosperous society is a society where all the members of the society prosper, not just a few.
So you do work 2-3 jobs then? How else you maintaining the websites and have $50k to give for your challenge?
Or you fleecing the public?
Has to be one or the other.
Fk me. That was one hell of a sentence! Did you think that one up all by yourself denialisnoproof?
"You on the other hand, use science and logic well, but at the same time you seem to use it only in defense of Islam. And it seems to me that you ultimately will put authority over data, and that you will never reject the wisdom of the ages in Islam. "
huh? what does this mean . . . when I am wrong – I am wrong. So what am I wrong over? You make such treacherous claims . . . but why do they always fall apart i wonder?
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"In the past some academic Islam-critics and commenters despaired of Muslims able to acknowledge and appreciate the value of academic, scientific, reason-standards. "
What do you want me to do about that?
"But you do use them, provoked by Ali Sina, I think. "
What does this mean?
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"But if you put the debate on a much higher level, with higher standards, then sooner or later this will backfire on you, or Islam-apologists like you, when you eventually get challenged the way you now challenge Ali Sina. When it is you who is asked for the references, statistics and logic of what it is that you hold true. "
Guff. . . and BS – this is about Ali Sina. Who isn't an academic . . . had to even print his own book – then give it away free.
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"And according to me, it was Islam that had to have a watertight case, because Muslim scholars maintain that the Quran is without flaws, as it comes directly from God. But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam. With a significant number of hits he will get very far. And perhaps you can discredit many of his points but never all. "
It is the "basic methodology" that is faulty with Sina . . . and on that basis – the whole genus of his arguments will be rejected.
"But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam."
See even you admit it . . . hence why he does so badly.
Like I said . . . Demsci – why the treachery – you write realms and realm about Sina – from the periphery – without anything of substance. Hence what you say is mostly "HOT AIR"
It doesn't mean a thing. . . especially now.
Sina – has fallen badly – look at how I blow up his book. Any comments?
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"Richard Dawkins is my hero but with what he says according to you I disagree. "
In what respect is he your hero? You as far as I understand are a Christian.
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"And I definitely hope he finds out what you, a fellow-Muslim, fellow Islam-apologist, has to say about him in this regard. And I think with this you went pretty far in disagreement with such a renowned Islamic author. And I think that in a sense, people like Ali Sina provoked you to go this far. "
See your treachery . . . it is always Sina. . . that is always begin all and end all with you.
Ignore what I said . . . but bring it simply to the level of praising Sina. . . that is always your agenda.
It doesn't matter what I say . . . you tend to ignore that.
But don't worry – on that point – Yahya – knows how I feel about him. He is non-expert in science . . . hence Dawkins is right on the point.
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"I keep saying that in a sense Ali Sina is member of a team, that includes Ayaan, and Robert Spencer, and David Wood and many others, including many academical people."
Yet – when you mentioned a name . . . claimed you read his books . . when I asked – what did you reply?
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"And I think it is wrong of Dawkins to snub Yahyah in this way. No debater should be declared illegitimate. High academic standards should be upheld, but experts do also exist to explain well what they know, to all humans who care to listen. And once students listen well, they can attain very high level of understanding and at times beat the experts on some issues. "
Bullshit . . . this isn't about experts vs non-experts. Read what Dawkins says:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/aug/1…
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For anyone to mistake sarcasm for fact must be great………………..A great fool!
Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This obviously is not the case with you, but you want the world to believe you have debunked Islam and you cannot even recognise sarcasm for what it's worth?
You just make it too easy for us.
I also think you are a great liar and a great hate monger? Will you openly accept this compliment as well?
You might not have said you were great, but you have implied that you were great by proxy, in the works that you have carried out regarding Islam and have done something that no other human has done in 1400 years relating to Mohammed.
If this this claiming greatness by proxy, then what is?
The only thing great about you Ali Sina, is the great amount of BS you spew.
Simply abusing me . . . will not cover up any deficiencies.
""As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards" "
I have successfully highlighted – and Extracted from Sina – that he does NOT follow any accepted academic standards.
His basic position is simply fallacious – it is already biased. He is going to condemn – irrespectively. His book isn't about truth finding – but a fit up job – to find evidence for his position . . . the problem is in the methods employed. Fabricating evidence, not telling the whole truth, not validating evidence, rejecting historical methods. . . and etc. Also – claiming things without any evidence . . . when it is asked for – he fails to provide adequate references. For example the reason for his believing Prophet Muhammad name to be something else – was a solitary video – which in itself lacked adequate references.
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This is the point where I commented: that Sina does not follow standards . . . rather than prove me wrong.
He has simply launched into a personal attack . . . hence the point stands successfully.
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What is worse . . . he confirms this by his own statement – that what I said is true:
"Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam. "
"My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim."
"As far as I am concerned they are all lies. My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation."
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"I was impartial in 1994 when I started reading the Quran. Actually that is not true. At that time I was biased in favor of Islam. Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam. "
But that is NOT the question !!!!!!!!!!. . . it about HONESTY . . . Just because something is apparently AGAINST Islam – it doesn't mean it is true . . .
THAT IS WHY I SO EASILY – BLEW UP YOUR MUSAYOON ARTICLE – WHICH YOU HAD COPIED FROM THE CHRISTIANS .
You seem to swallow EVERYTHING that is apparently against . . . that is why I have said many times . . .
http://alisina.org/muhammads-flat-earth/
This video – has basic ERRORS – what he quotes from Tafsir books is a lie – then his science is fallacious when he describes how the Earth's crust was formed.
http://alisina.org/is-islam-for-all-mankind/
This article shows your deception from another angle . . . this is a classic fit up. I am prepared to go over this – bit by bit to prove it.
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"don't make us laugh. "easily and successfully?" My foot. Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims. Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated. "
First all of all who is "us". . . there is ONLY you . . . no one has commented in support – to show where I am wrong. So which us?
The arrogance and the ego is astounding.
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"Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims."
You just claim that – I have successfully highlighted – you inept over Prophet Muhammad's name for example. You simple display your hatred, your prejudice, your deception and you lies.
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"Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated. "
Over what exactly? Find it . . . then lets go over it. There is NOT A SINGLE SUCH ARGUMENT SET.
Which mauling did you do . . . I can easily highlight the opposite. Look at what you did when I pointed out you mistake over the Expanding Universe. Or the "Objectivity" and the little theory you had going . . . and the subsequent hypocrisy.
Or highlighting your desires over wanting "debates" with know Muslim names. Or how about . . . anyone of your supporters?
When was this "mauling" and "humiliation" and where is it?
"that is exactly what I am doing. The jury is the public whom I often win. "
No you are not . . . this is what I – ME – Who has highlighted this . . . why is it you have suddenly seen the light? Your concept was wrong – completely wrong.
"The jury is the public whom I often win." – merely a claim. Doesn't mean much. If i was at Muslim site for example – I would be getting the praise so to speak. . . yet I know which context to take this in.
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"The prosecutor will only present evidence against the suspect. If he had to present the evidence in favor of him to be impartial he would look ridiculous."
An evidence that still defence – and prosecution make sure is fundamentally sound – and will stand up to the challenge. . . else they will be laughing stock – as it often does happen.
Also:
"As a matter of fundamental fairness, a prosecutor is obligated to turn over factual evidence that is favorable to the defendant when the evidence is material to guilt or punishment. "
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/The-Advers…
Where as within parameters the defence can hold evidence. Your concept of basic law is very unsound – or else you are willfully being untruthful.
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"If the prosecutor or the police have not made their minds why in the hell they charge the suspect and take him to trial?"
Yes . . . they make their mind – but not on basis of unsound evidence – As i have pointed out – their job isn't to falsify evidence. . . or with hold factual evidence – even if it goes against them.
Police job is neutrality. And to collate and examine evidence. Just because it appears that Joe Bloggs was standing next to the dead body with the gun in his had – doesn't automatically mean he did the killing. There is a long process of examining evidence – by experts – from various directions – to build a water-tight case. . . which the defence cannot blow apart. But if they find that joe bloggs wasn't the killer . . . then let him go and find the right person.
Neither do they look at an alleged criminal – and go he looks guilty – lets fit him up.
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" The more you defend your case the more ridiculous it sounds. "
This is simply you saying it – it means nothing – what is ridiculous about it? You ignored that fact that – you were WRONG about what police objectivity is.
As I have pointed out – you haven't done you job properly – by NOT examining the evidence – which leads to the suspicion – whether out of ignorance or deliberate.
Which, either way, still does NOT excuse you – it is simply expected and basic to check source material – and not just sponge of the net – and that is it.
Why else – did you have to self publish – and then give it away free.
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I pointed out fundamental errors – in your thinking above . . . yet you ignored them and chose to pursue this argument – it is just going to make you look foolish. . .
You did not even have the basic grasp . . . what police objectivity meant.
Classical case of pot calling the kettle black Loki.
How the hell can you even talk about intellect and theories of probability when you don't understand simple arithmetic.
When you have a coin you dimwit, there are only 2 possibilities. Heads or Tails. There is no third possibility? How hard is this for you to understand?
Did you actually finish school or have you just started?
Either there is a God or there isn't a God. There is no in-between.
You decided to use probability of sequences in an equation that will only have one of two results and does not require sequences for you and me. You not only failed to grasp Bernoulli Trials, but you also fail to understand the Laws of Large Numbers but pretend to know your Maths..
I cannot make it simpler than the following:
To be considered a Bernoulli trial, an experiment must meet each of three criteria:
1. There must be only 2 possible outcomes, such as: black or red, sweet or sour. One of these outcomes is called a success, and the other a failure. Successes and Failures are denoted as S and F, though the terms given do not mean one outcome is more desirable than the other.
2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of occurring; a success has the probability of p, and a failure has the probability of 1 – p.
3. Each experiment and result are completely independent of all others.
A simple example of a Bernoulli trial is the flipping of a balanced coin. Each of the three criteria are met:
1. There are only 2 possible outcomes; head or tails.
2. Each outcome has a fixed probability of 1/2.
3. The outcome of each flip is independent of the previous flips.
How many times do you have to keep getting burnt by fire to understand that fire will burn? Pretending to be intelligent is not the same as actually being intelligent. So please give it a rest.
There is no number of trials here. Just one flip, and that flip will produce heads or tails. Like I stated before, that one flip is death and heads is God and tails there is no God.
This basic level of understanding is obviously way above your paygrade but come on mate, at least admit your stubborn mule like foolishness and accept 1 in 2 for what it is and not your 25 years of studying garbage probable chances of 26 billion that a black tie is actually a white tie, and I am just saying this because I haven't a clue but must make out like I am intelligent even though I am as thick as 2 planks of wood and have dug myself so deep into a hole that I have no way out.
Just stop it Loki, just stop it and save whatever little you can.
Unfortunately your similitude is that of a donkey carrying huge volumes of books but understands them not.
As Albert Einstein once said, "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
He was bang on!
"you have a problem with comprehension. Why it is fallacious to look for the evidence against someone? If what I do is fallacious then the entire judicial system of the world is fallacious. "
The problem of Comprehension is simply yours. This is NOT how the judicial system works. . . . at all.
The fallacy isn't going looking for evidence . . . it is in your methods. You take anything that goes . . . without authenticating it.
And I have successfully proven this. Over this ridiculous charade of Prophet Muhammad's original name.
[Which is the next 2nd comment, the next page]
You took a partial report and pasted it as the truth . . . without bothering to check the original. Hence you came undone.
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"Any why looking for evidence against someone means lying and deceiving? Your thinking is so absurd that it really does not need any response. It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim. "
See . . . this isn't what I said. You clearly twisted it.
it isn't about looking for evidence that is wrong. . . . but the methods employed – just becuase something goes against
Lets take this police example. Our criminal stands accused – police hunt for the evidence – they profile him. 70 people are in favour – 1 isn't.
Your method – would discard all favourable reports about him – and take the unfavourable report. Without examining any.
And that is the lying and the deception. Yes – you you have to verify all the reports for authenticity.
This is where the fallacies start to come in . . . Simply not being objective is fallacious. Taking the exception to the rule is fallacious. Vividly describing an exception – is a separate fallacy.
I have already – successfully proven this. A lot more to come. Anyone actually interested – read the second comment – over the page.
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" It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim. "
This is simply your stereotype – your prejudice and you hate speaking. I have successfully highlighted – how you have twisted my words – to claim what you wanted.
What I have actually said . . . is completely different.
I have been thinking a lot about this point you bring up about Richard Dawkins saying debating with Harun Yahyah would give the latter undue legitimacy.
Richard Dawkins is my hero but with what he says according to you I disagree.
First of all, what would Harun Yahyah's response be? I know he is a bestselling author in Turkey and the Middle East, so apparantly he has many followers, almost all Muslims. He very well might say that it is a cop-out of Dawkins and very arrogant of him.
And I definitely hope he finds out what you, a fellow-Muslim, fellow Islam-apologist, has to say about him in this regard. And I think with this you went pretty far in disagreement with such a renowned Islamic author. And I think that in a sense, people like Ali Sina provoked you to go this far.
I do know that Richard Dawkins admires Ayaan Hirsi Ali much and that he often talks about or even with her in an agreeable way. And I for one think Ali Sina and Ayaan Hirsi Ali have a lot in common, agree on a lot in respect to Islam, Democracy and science and both will easily acknowledge that when asked.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been in many debates, the sort Muslims ask Ali Sina to engage in. And I suspect the two are about the same level.
I keep saying that in a sense Ali Sina is member of a team, that includes Ayaan, and Robert Spencer, and David Wood and many others, including many academical people.
And it seems to me that you try to make Ali Sina look isolated. And once isolated, you want to discredit him. But that team he belongs too, that it is much more difficult to discredit. And many people in it are up to all manner of academic and logical challenges. They thrive in debates like that.
And I think it is wrong of Dawkins to snub Yahyah in this way. No debater should be declared illegitimate. High academic standards should be upheld, but experts do also exist to explain well what they know, to all humans who care to listen. And once students listen well, they can attain very high level of understanding and at times beat the experts on some issues.
And about legitimacy; if it is demanded from Islam-critics, it should then be asked of all, including the originators and scholars of Islam. Their legitimacy derives basically from revelation, but Dawkins puts reason in opposite to that. And how legitimate are the originators of Islam now on account of reason?
Geoffrey Carr says in megachanges 2050: Good science (and reason) is anarchic and respects only data, not authority. For this it uses testing theory by experiment and if necessary it rejects the wisdom of the ages as a result.
You on the other hand, use science and logic well, but at the same time you seem to use it only in defense of Islam. And it seems to me that you ultimately will put authority over data, and that you will never reject the wisdom of the ages in Islam.
In the past some academic Islam-critics and commenters despaired of Muslims able to acknowledge and appreciate the value of academic, scientific, reason-standards.
But you do use them, provoked by Ali Sina, I think.
But if you put the debate on a much higher level, with higher standards, then sooner or later this will backfire on you, or Islam-apologists like you, when you eventually get challenged the way you now challenge Ali Sina. When it is you who is asked for the references, statistics and logic of what it is that you hold true.
And according to me, it was Islam that had to have a watertight case, because Muslim scholars maintain that the Quran is without flaws, as it comes directly from God. But Ali Sina never had to have a watertight case in exposing Islam. With a significant number of hits he will get very far. And perhaps you can discredit many of his points but never all.
It is interesting to note – I get the down arrows by default – and not on 'merit' as it were. Not only has Sina struggled to account for himself . . . so have his er . . . 'supporters'.
So where are those who were singing his praises . . . or were they all incarnations of Sina. Surely not!
50% chance of heads while coin is in air. 0% when its tail 100% when its heads in result. So there are two probabilities 0% and 100% with 50% chance of both.
Lets analyze probability with binary system 0 and 1. There is probability of 0 or 1 with 50% chance on both.
Remember baby coin is still in air !
I don't like on arguing half filled glass claiming to be half empty ! Please replace Classical theory of probability with common sense. Next time BRING ME RESULTS
"If you read more you will see I reject the claim that Ibrahim was the son of Muhammad. "
Which still does not mean that before rejection that you mention the names of all Children. It is simply reasonable to accept to find something common to be there as is.
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"This you can find also in second edition that you have but ask me for the fourth edition. "
Which for whatever reason – Sina did not do. He repeats this lie and personal attack whenever he finds the opportunity.
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"Now that you have decided to read the book at least read a more updated version of it. "
I have read this book – I read the book before I came to this site – I have said quite early on – that I have read this book in a few comments.
A point to note – Sina returned the email empty – after promising to send me the book. He didn't. Read into that what you will.
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He has no way to back-track that he was going to prove that I haven't read the nonsensical book. Temper!
Why doesn't he just move on . . . yet he repeats the lie at every opportunity. To this point – he hasn't proven that I haven't read the book.
I would have gone through the whole book bit by bit analysing it – he will probably still maintain this lie.
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Interestingly enough – I was successfully able to extract from the persona "Fan Sina" that she hadn't read the book . . . yet she was the person who asked me a question over it.
Which when I successfully answered – she made an excuse. . . this is when Sina jumped in and made the the strange allegation and attack.
Yet – when I asked 'Fan Sina' a question in return – she admitted she hadn't read the book. The question from the 1st chapter. Page 8!
"It depends where it is recorded. "
But it doesn't SIMPLY depend on where it is recorded . . . there are many many more issues. For example – if a large majority say something else – and there is simply one person contradicting it.
Or . . .
Authenticity of the reporters – are there any gaps between the narrators – from beginning to the end.
And etc. There are many different as aspects. That is why there is a complete science behind it.
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" If it were recorded in books written by the enemies of Islam you would have had a point. But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it."
Regarding this particular report:
But here is your deception . . . you cut the report up – to try and make it unfavourable. Even then . . . what you claim is in contradiction to the report. For example – where did the meaning of the word Quthem come from? This is where your alleged "unfavourable" comes from.
Otherwise what is so unpalatable about the suggestion that the boy was named after his uncle?
Generally:
"But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it. "
Just because something is recorded does not make it true. How do you know – where a particular report has come from? It could be from anyone.
Then – there are book that simply record the reports – but they are later rejected or accepted by someone who is a specialist at doing that – or someone who has examined it and found errors.
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"But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it."
You do this during your book – you cut up reports to make them unfavourable – then leave out whatsoever is contradictory.
Yes I am not a debatorian I am emperor ! I don't have friends I have slaves wanna join?
" Muhammad refused to pray at her grave saying Allah prohibited him to pray for the unbelievers. So clearly the story of Amina’s dream is damage control. "
Sina has already stated – and made clear – that he did not start out to objectively to portray Prophet Muhammad – but he had his bias there. Hence he would do anything
I mean this:
“After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.”
is floating around the internet – the exact wording – I haven't traced it – who it is by. Sina hasn't examined where it came from or what it really says. Then I highlighted its deception. . . was he interested in the rights and wrongs – no.
Same thing with the meaning of the word Qathem – he gave his reference – an internet video by a Christian. Again he did not verify the evidence . . . he simply took it to be true
And now – he cannot account for it.
Of course that video does not bother mentioning that Muslims account leads to that Prophet Muhammad was simply named after his Uncle. And this one report – so far.
I said this before – there has to be extremely strong reason for a singular report to go against many others of stronger authenticity. . .
Sina hasn't provided any.
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He quoted this incomplete report – and left out vital info – when it is pointed out – he simply changes tack.
I know he does not understand Arabic – and that is a deficiency – as he has to rely on secondary material – but this does not excuse deliberate misleads.
He simply was not aware of the full section that is devoted by Halabi. He read this and took it to be true – without a question. Just because it matched his bias. Shouldn't it be his job to actually examine all evidence.
His book is put together by mostly finding material online – hence it is severely amateurish – hence he had to self-publish.
Earlier Sina gave alluded to police work as his procedure . . . yet wouldn't the police be embarrassed if they pull this kind of tactic – and then the defence lawyer highlights the obvious basic error?
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Does Sina except this report or not . . . no he doesn't in its entirety. He has given no basis for accepting – part of this report – other than already declared bias. And that is simply deceptive and completely unacceptable.
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Note: Sina was going to give me the 4th Edition of the book – he didn't do so . . . I don't know the reason for refusal. The email came back empty.
"Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet."
Which embarrassing claim . . . where is it? If they were going to cover this up . . . why not just get rid of it? There were centuries available to do that? Before book publishing
When it suits Sina – he hold those same people to be true – when it doesn't – the same people are scoundrels. This is fallacious at a basic level – law of contradiction. Yet there are well defined principles and methods of examining History. . . he employs none.
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"Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet."
Why must she have known? This is NOT what sh dreamed – only that she was going to call him Muhammad. This is the extent of this particular report.
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"There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. "
Then why mention it . . . such tactics are logically fallacious. I had this "debate" out with you . . . and you cowered away back then. . . . over rationality and what you erroneously believed it to be.
The basis is the belief in God. All such miracles are simply secondary:
If you believe in an Omnipotent God – then that God can make anything happen.
So in view of that . . . why would the above be either impossible or ridiculous. You regularly do this – trying to garner support for your argument. But it doesn't work. Yet is looks impressive to the converted supporters – but anyone either objective or neutral will see this attempt as nothing but fallacious.
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"The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? "
Hz. Amina, she died before her child became the Prophet. Whether she believed or did not believe – is simply irrelevant.
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"If you read more from my book"
This is your continuous lie against me. . . and it is completely baseless. You seem to have difficulty sticking to an argument – without personal attacks.
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"Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet."
Which embarrassing claim . . . where is it?
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"Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet."
Why must she have known? This is NOT what sh dreamed – only that she was going to call him Muhammad. This is the extent of this particular report.
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"There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. "
Then why mention it . . . such tactics are logically fallacious. I had this "debate" out with you . . . and you cowered away back then. . . . over rationality and what you erroneously believed it to be.
The basis is the belief in God. All such miracles are simply secondary:
If you believe in an Omnipotent God – then that God can make anything happen.
So in view of that . . . why would the above be either impossible or ridiculous. You regularly do this – trying to garner support for your argument. But it doesn't work. Yet is looks impressive to the converted supporters – but anyone either objective or neutral will see this attempt as nothing but fallacious.
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"The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? "
Hz. Amina, she died before her child became the Prophet. Whether she believed or did not believe – is simply irrelevant.
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"If you read more from my book"
This is your continuous lie against me. . . and it is completely baseless. You have difficulty sticking to an argument – without resorting to Personal Attacks. He has done this before. . . over the word Musayoon. It simply emphasises that he is not interested in in the truth at all.
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I knew I am human being since I was sixteen or else I would have conquered this earth in three minutes lol
I have answered your questions and overlooked your hatred about some scholars.Read (ii) para with helper. Its up to you how you manifest truth depend on read para(iii) . I think these scholars are open and visible to be challenged !
Might not know nothing, but I am a genius compared to you Loki, a genius. In every way, shape and form.
That is one thing I do know.
Did you see that TV come out your wall?
I thought as much!
Run along now, class is calling.
😉
You made it clear you don't want to debate.
Probably that's because you can't. I have seen you rarely put an argument together.
So why were you crying like a little girl "It's so difficult to debate" when you don't want to?
At least show that you're worth talking to. Do you have some friends?
You didn't answer any of my questions.
Another troll.
But sometimes you do show dormant signs of Intelligence, which makes me hopeful.
Perhaps someday you'll realize that you're a human being.
I already "see" results in front of my eyes! So I think I'm not wasting my time. Every protest against Islamofascism is a step in the right direction.
But yes I'm wasting my time arguing with idiots like Ali who think tossing a coin always gives him 50% chance of heads. And when I tell him, go open the first page and "read" the Classical theory of probability he doesn't!
And keeps on repeating the same old banality.
Teaching an idiot isn't a waste of time.Teaching an idiot who doesn't want to learn, is.
As the Quran advises us for the likes of you:
7:9 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
See Ya (Professor) Loki.
I won't take that nonsense who doesn't know that tossing a coin doesn't ensure a 50% chance of heads.It can be 0% to 100%.Tossing a "fair" coin does.
Enjoy your Alian theory of probability, but still it won't be true.
🙂
Your arguments against Atheism are so lame, they don't deserve a comment.
I don't hate you, I hate fascist ideologies like Islam. You are trying to stamp me for hating because you have no arguments for your case.
You can say I pity you.This will be my last response to you, for I don't talk to idiots who argue on subjects they know NOTHING about.
"Here, maybe this will help:
Example: what is the probability of getting a "Head" when tossing a coin?
Number of ways it can happen: 1 (Head)
Total number of outcomes: 2 (Head and Tail)
So the probability = 1 of 2 = 0.5 "
Wrong. It can be any value between 0 and 1. Get your basics right. Only tossing a "fair" coin will give you 0.5.
Repeating the Alian theory of probability 100 times won't make it right.
Your allegations on atheists have been refuted so many times,they are a bunch of jokes.I won't even qualify those hollow arguments by talking about them.
Being a minority isn't at all a factor.Non-nazis were a minority in Hitler's Germany.So what?
Yes enjoy your life in which "Ignorance is Bliss". LOL
@Ali Sina.
Raj did try to defend you when I suggested the pot calling the kettle black at you and he said that if Mohammed and you are both mad, then leave both of them.
His exact words were:
'Ok, so now you acknowledge that so far you have been fkd by Mohammad. That Mohammad is mad, and in the same token you say that Ali Sina is mad.
Then leave both the mad persons'
So I in turn asked if he had left you yet, as he does hold you in high regard and takes your views and research as his measuring yardstick. So he must lead by example. To which he agreed.
So this is where we are at. As long as he denounces you in the manner I prescribed, I will denounce Mohammed in the same manner.
I can't get fairer than that?
@Raj.
Can you start with the public denouncing of Ali Sina exactly how I asked you to, and I will follow suit.
Don't try and squirm your way out of it please. Try and get the denouncing out the way before the dung worshipping as this may effect your rationale and you might just backtrack!
I am waiting.
Start now please. 😀
But this is where you always go wrong Ali Sina. You tend to clutch at straws just so you can try and prove you were right. I told you before not to use the 'strawman's' approach.
To the contrary.
We must also note that Bloom's experiment which you quoted, is even open to misinterpretation by himself. He seems to approach his "discovery" as a Darwinist.
A century after Rousseau, Charles Darwin argued that our moral nature is to put it in today's parlance, "hardwired" into us by evolution. From Darwin's perspective, finding that all babies respond in a moral way to a simple morality play only means that such a response has proven in the distant past, in some common ancestor of the human species, to be of some significant benefit to survival.
Consequently, the response isn't really moral in the deepest, most important sense because by "morality" an evolutionist means only "a set of beneficial social traits." These traits mean nothing more or less than other beneficial traits we find in other animals, such as camouflaging coloration or thicker fur in the winter.
From his various other statements, Bloom appears to be a secular Darwinist. It is not clear that he understands the full implications of what that means for morality.
Furthermore, the following questions and points must also be taken into account concerning this 'scientific' breakthrough you are so harping on about:
Was it published in a scientific journal?
Has it been retracted?
Is the article really a research paper?
Is the article generally relevant to the claims being made?
Is the article specifically relevant to the claims being made?
Is the topic of the article suitable for the field that the journal covers?
What is the reputation of the journal globally?
What is the reputation of the journal in the specific field?
What is the impact factor of the journal?
Does the journal apply peer-review?
Was this particular study peer-reviewed?
Who are the authors of the paper?
How was the study funded?
Does the abstract accurately reflect the study?
Does the introduction cover the existing literature well enough?
Does the introduction state a precise aim of the study?
Is the research design suitable for the aim?
Is there sufficient sample size?
Is the method described clearly enough?
Does the paper use an appropriate control group?
Is there a placebo treatment given to the control group?
Was the research design double-blinded?
Does the paper attempt to control for important confounders?
Is group assignment randomized or use a technique to reach a similar goal?
Is the statistical analysis appropriate for the research design?
Does the statistical analysis contain any obvious mathematical errors?
Does the study use p-values or effect size and confidence intervals?
Does the study separate statistical significance from practical significance?
Is the results practically significant in the scientific context?
Is it likely that the the study used data dredging in any subgroup analysis?
Does the conclusion of the study accurately reflect the results?
Does the paper investigate alternative explanations for the data obtained?
Does the article discuss limitations of the study design?
Can the results generalized to other populations?
Has the results been independently replicated?
Is the study supported or contradicted by earlier studies?
Does the article have any commentary from other individual scientists?
What is the general appraisal of the impact of the study by scientists in the field?
Does the study conform or contradict a scientific consensus position (should one exist)?
Conclusion
Additionally, Bloom's study comes as something of a shock to the long line of sociologists and psychologists who held dogmatically to the belief that human beings are natural non-moral, and that all morality is therefore artificially contrived by the various societies into which children are variously born.
If Bloom is right, then babies wherever they are born are innately, although inchoately, moral, and societies, however much they vary, blossom morally from this common seed.
So you see Ali Sina, no matter which way you look at it, your argument against Islam and morality loses.
The only reason he get so many responses is . . .
I have left it unsaid.
"but the very fact that you think it is appropriate to ridicule me as great when neither me nor anyone else has ever made such ridiculous claim proves mystery works. "
But you do er . . . big your self up to epic proportions . .
especially about that ridiculous book – which you have self-published.
And the even more ridiculous charade around it.
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Then there are claims about Muslim and Islam – and of grandiose self-importance. . . they all add up as a great ego.
Like I said Loki, don't hate mate, don't hate.
Me inventing a new 'ism' is no way as retarded as someone claiming to come from nothing, going to nothing, getting nothing, but claiming something but cannot understand the meaning of 1 of 2.
Oh my God, a brand new car has just developed itself in my garage, hold on a sec, a new helicopter has just created itself in my back yard, there's more……………, while I was just typing, a new 60 inch smart TV just appeared on my wall created all by itself.
You must believe me as you hold the view that we also came from thin air. If you look closely at your wall Loki, you will also see that smart TV. Can you see it? Of course you can. It just came there from nowhere.
I know, it hurts!
ROTFLMAO 😀
Like I said to you before Loki, you will always be 50% worse off.
In order to save some face and clutch at straws, you tried unsuccessfully to use probability in your stance to justify a simple 1 in 2 possibility.
Here, maybe this will help:
Example: what is the probability of getting a "Head" when tossing a coin?
Number of ways it can happen: 1 (Head)
Total number of outcomes: 2 (Head and Tail)
So the probability = 1 of 2 = 0.5
We come across people like you regularly. They tend to be difficult for the sake of being difficult and pretend to know what they are talking about without really grasping the issue at hand, especially when they have been put in check. Just like what you have done.
Instead of just accepting the universally agreed 1 in 2 description, you've decided to use probability formulae confusing it with a straight yes or no, into how many times there will be a yes or no. This issue was not how many time we will get a yes or how many times we will get a no, or the number of sequences of the yes and no.
This is the problem here. You failed to understand the straight up 1 of 2 and decided to rant on about sequences. This is known as changing the goalposts in layman's terms.
You actually do need to take some advice from Academics in order to understand where you have gone wrong and they will gladly point out your flaws. I cannot be blamed for your lack of understanding. You must take responsibility for your own stupidity.
Moving onto your final comment, if you want me to fight fire with fire then I'll oblige. It is you Atheists that have killed far more humans than any other set of people throughout history and are the real threat to humanity.
You guys are the minority, have always been the minority and always will be the minority, but have taken more lives and caused more chaos and anarchy than any religious based system.
You have no ground or audience to even spiel your venom as you guys are public enemy number one. The proof is in the pudding.
You guys have no measuring yardstick therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.
So you see, it is your BS venomous ways that are unpardonable for the next generation of children and not ours.
In any democracy, the majority always win and rule and not the minority. Are you Atheists not the minority?
I rest my case.
I will now go and enjoy my 50% 'always better than you' lifestyle, while you think of another probability formulae concerning what colour pants to wear today!
This is the second time you mentioned how much you love devout clerics lol
Where in Quran ?!!!
Sorry I meant 72 virgins and not 72 terrorists
All devout clerics find truth in the promise of 72 terrorists and it is also in the quran.
You are hopeless stupid. There is no promise of 72 virgins for terrorists or suicide bombers anywhere in the Quran.
There is allegory , simile, science , metaphor , philosophy , psychology , anthropology , theology and more …. in Quran. But Quran is not allegorical, scientific , philosophical , psychological, theological …. book, Quran is Quran.
Helper : Try to understand this God is Love but Love(Only) is not God
Have you tried to write a single sentence which can be understood by all human irrespective of their IQ levels, socioeconomic levels, state of minds, physiological built with logic at the same time without logic.
Your dense complex ego is blockade in understanding. Try submitting will to almighty , you will realize to know what is in it for you.
Yes I don't waste time in debating. But you are totally wasting time all over here coz burning your ass pseudologically you won't find any result.
But I was interested to see that you said that the verse is an allegory.
That's progress you know!
Why not look at the Quran like an Allegorical book, and derive simple principles out of it rather than rigid rules?
That will be a big step towards Emancipation of muslims.
What do you say about a certain Zakir Naik who claims Quran has the Big Bang Theory, "A very accurate description of human Embryology"(oh, can I be more thankful that he is not a practicing doctor!? How many lives would he have screwed up? Of course now he is only screwing their minds.), that the Earth is shaped like an Ostrich's egg?
Or about a Yusuf Estes who claims Evolution is mentioned in Quran?
They claim the Quran is 100% scientifically accurate! An allegorical book can't be claimed to be Scientific, right? Science isn't poetry?!
I know I'm wasting my time even talking to you.
But I really want to help you here.
See you find debating tough because:-
1. Your intention is not to debate, but something else.
2. You suck at it.
It's not hate, it's satire 🙂
Of course, how'd you know the difference?
Don't talk about Darwinism. Who knows, you might as well invent a new Alism for yourself, like you invented the "Alian theory of Probability" 🙂
"I have showed you your flaws using your own reasoning. 1 in 2 is 50/50 despite what you say and especially with death and God."
You have showed nothing except your callous ignorance LOL
You invented a new definition of probability to hide your blatant screw up on 'odds'.You talked like a moron on Bernoulli trials when Bernoulli trials work on the basal understanding of probability itself!! How lame is that?
"I am the one who is happy doing what I am doing, I am the one who has no worries in the world.. how am I embarrassing myself?"
Even drug-addicts and alcoholics feel the same.
I don't give a damn how rich or intelligent or pretty you are.I'm not a lowlife like you who needs to boast about his/her achievements on an website.Does this look an advert site to you?If you want some adverts talk to Sina.
Fact is, you had to invented your own probability theory to hide your screw up.
One of these days you might say Christiano Ronaldo is the president of US, and then claim that he actually is, not Obama! That's your standard. Every second I talked to you is a waste.
That's where you embarrassed yourself.
And you're either extremely stupid or a liar to not see where you 'embarrassed' yourself.
"109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship"
I've read all that crap, don't waste few kbs on garbage.
"109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine. "
I wouldn't give a rat's ass if you had just 'worshiped'. You may worship the dung beetle,why do I care? But you don't stop at that, you darken the mind of children with your hate-filled diatribe. That's unpardonable.
zakir nalayak choothiya
Some of your comments are smart and some of them like this are really stupid. If you want response from me elevate your level. I see you can when you want to.
“According to atheism, we are but matter in motion, evolving from rocks and slime over billions of years. We supposedly arose from organisms that have no sense of morality. Animals eat their young, kill their mates, and steal the food of any animal from which they can successfully take it—whether friend, foe, or family member. Atheists allege that we are animals.
Therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.”
You need to educate yourself more about the theory of evolution. Atheists believe humans drive from animals, but that does not mean we are still animal. We actually believe humans have evolved from bacteria. Does that mean we are bacteria? Just as grapes that are born out of dirt are not dirt anymore, we humans are born out of animal kingdom but we are not animals anymore. Biologically we are the same. We share 97% of our genes with chimps. What makes us different is our bigger brain and the evolution of our frontal cortex. This is the part that is responsible for empathy and consciousness, self analysis and introspection. So we are aware of our actions and the impact that they can have on others. This awareness gives us also responsibility. We become the keepers of our brothers. That is new in humans. This change is the result of our evolution. There is no need for humans to be religious to be good. In fact some religions make us bad and others are superfluous.
” Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.
This is an asininity. Since humans are born as moral beings. Once they realize there is not God they will be more responsible in their conduct. I can’t talk about others but at least I know what is going on in my own mind. I love the taste of stake. Yet I am impelled by my morality to not eat meat. I fight the temptation by thinking about the suffering of an innocent creature who is endowed with feelings like mine. Until I was a believer I did not have to think because someone else had done all the thinking for me and all I had to do was to follow. As a non-believer, I know I have to find the right path on my own and there is no guidance beyond my own judgement and conscience. So instead of ignoring my conscience now I put that to work.
I am not saying all religious people lack ethics. It all depends whom they follow. If they follow a good guru, like Jesus, Buddha and Zoroaster they can be good people, but if they follow psychopaths like Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara and Muhammad they can do horrendous things with clear conscience.
I prefer to be responsible for my action than to follow a good guru. But if you prefer to follow, at least follow someone better than a psychopath Muhammad. You can’t find someone worst than him if you searched the world.
” It is the inner light that God has given to every one of us, and it leaves us without excuse for our sin.
This is what you fail to grasp or you actually do understand but fail to accept openly. ”
Not so fast cowboy. You accuse me of what you are guilty of yourself.
I am the one who believes morality is innate in humans. It is you (as a follower of Muhammad) who believes humans are born as pervert and sinners and they need the heavy hand of religion to bring them to the right path.
Now since I have shown the scientific study that show six month old children know about justice, it is clear that they were not thought this. We know instinctively, yes instinctively, that abusing others and violating their rights is wrong. But Muslims don’t belief that. They justify abusing the rights of non Muslims because they think Allah had told them to do so.
If you really believe in what you say then you must leave Islam because Muhammad did not believe in that.
“Why do all civilizations have the knowledge that it’s wrong to lie, kill, steal, etc.?”
Humans are born as moral beings. Study reveal babies know the difference between good and evil at six months. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275574/B…
Religion does not turn humans moral. On the contrary some religions, like Islam reduce moral people into unethical and immoral beings. People who are not indoctrinated with Islam do not hate those who hold views contrary to theirs. They do not advocate killing others, raiding and raping those who don’t agree with them. Muslims do all these things with a clear conscience through indoctrination.
Muslims believe one can become najis (filthy) simply by holding a view contrary to Islam. This is scientific absurdity but a Muslim who surrenders his rational ability has no problem believing in absurdities.
So children are born moral and ethical but some doctrines such as Islam reduces them into immoral and monstrous people.
Who said I work 2, 3 jobs. I live off rentals and work exclusively to eradicate Islam. This is my only mission and project.
” so what’s the point of still hiding as though you are a great mystery?”
It is this mystery that makes someone like you say “The great Ali Sina”. You do that out of sarcasm but the very fact that you think it is appropriate to ridicule me as great when neither me nor anyone else has ever made such ridiculous claim proves mystery works.
“Just because something is recorded – it does not make it true.”
It depends where it is recorded. If it were recorded in books written by the enemies of Islam you would have had a point. But when something that does not favor Muhammad is recorded by his devout followers there is not reason to doubt it. Alternatively, when Muslims attribute miracles to Muhammad, there i no reason to believe it.
Muslims always try to cover up embarrassing tales about their prophet. Let us analyze the claim that Aima informed Abdul Muttalib that she had dreamed to name her son Muhammad. So she must have known that he would become a prophet. There is also a hadith that says when she gave birth to Muhammad a light proceeded from her vagina that lit the buildings of Damascus. The impossibility and ridiculousness of this claim is not the point here. The point is why Amina who had seen all these miracles did not believe that her son is the future prophet? How do we know she did not believe? If you read more from my book you will find that Muhammad refused to pray at her grave saying Allah prohibited him to pray for the unbelievers. So clearly the story of Amina’s dream is damage control.
“Although the main body of the text was pointing to that. But the footnote and its language is general – it does not specify that this is just about Khadijah.”
If you read more you will see I reject the claim that Ibrahim was the son of Muhammad. This you can find also in second edition that you have but ask me for the fourth edition. Now that you have decided to read the book at least read a more updated version of it.
“You must publicly denounce Ali Sina by stating that he is a liar, is psychologically insane and imbalanced,”
No one should follow me. I have not started a cult for anyone to follow me. I have always said don’t follow anyone. Be your own prophet. Following is for sheep.
Now why someone should denounce me, call me a liar and a psychologically insane and imbalance to prove he is not following me? You follow Muhammad, a man whom I have proven to be a mentally insane person, a liar and a conman, along with other adjectives such as pedophile, thief, mass murderer, etc. You have no shame following such a depraved sick man and will not denounce him. Yet you demand people denounce me and slander me to prove they are freethinkers? Something is screwed in your brain baddie and I know what it is? It is Islam. All those who follow an insane person become insane by emulating him.
“Then matters to get to court – The defence and Prosecution present their cases . . . . Judge/Jury is the one that decides.”
that is exactly what I am doing. The jury is the public whom I often win.
The prosecutor will only present evidence against the suspect. If he had to present the evidence in favor of him to be impartial he would look ridiculous. If the prosecutor or the police have not made their minds why in the hell they charge the suspect and take him to trial? The more you defend your case the more ridiculous it sounds.
“Police objectivity – comes from staying NEUTRAL and dealing with the facts.”
As far as police is concerned everyone is a suspect until proven innocent. However when evidence mounts against the suspect they will submit their case to the prosecutor. With evidence in their hand they will no longer remain impartial. They have their suspect and will strive to collect as much evidence against him to bring him to trial.
I was impartial in 1994 when I started reading the Quran. Actually that is not true. At that time I was biased in favor of Islam. Once the truth was revealed to me I am not longer impartial. It would be ridiculous to remain impartial and write so many articles against Islam.
“As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards”
don’t make us laugh. “easily and successfully?” My foot. Every argument you presented so far has only highlighted the ridiculousness of the mind of Muslims. Yet like a true Muslim you beat your chest even when you are mauled and humiliated.
“This is logically fallacious, on several counts . . . and it shows that you will also lie and deceive to do so.”
you have a problem with comprehension. Why it is fallacious to look for the evidence against someone? If what I do is fallacious then the entire judicial system of the world is fallacious.
Any why looking for evidence against someone means lying and deceiving? Your thinking is so absurd that it really does not need any response. It just goes to prove no Muslim can think strait. If they could they would not be Muslim.
"How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references."
How do you know?
When I asked you question . . .
You said – you still have the book to read.
I asked you a question from page 8. Which is the 1st chapter.
And you couldn't answer?
So how can you speak about the whole book?
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Just because something is backed by references – it doesn't mean it true automatically.
References can be wrong . . . or mismatched and etc.
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"Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion."
Which similarities are you talking about. . .
this is a meaningless sentences.
And an open lie . . . as you have already said – you have yet to read the bloody book.
"How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references."
HOw do you know?
When I asked you question . . .
You said – you still have the book to read.
I asked you a question from page 8. Which is the 1st chapter.
And you couldn't answer?
So how can you speak about the whole book?
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Just becuase something is backed by references – it doesn't mean it true automatically.
References can be wrong . . . or mismatched and etc.
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"Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion."
Which similarirties are you talking about. . .
this is a meaningless sentences.
And an open lie . . . as you have already said – you have yet to read the bloody book.
"My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim."
This is logically fallacious, on several counts . . . and it shows that you will also lie and deceive to do so. Hence – your book has no academic value or merit. It simply does not stand up to stringent measures and rigour. It is simply DISHONEST
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"Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect's denials and praises that he made about himself? "
Oh dear me . . . I genuinely thought you had more brains than this. Police do build a case – but not convict.
They still sift through information – to find what is right and wrong.
For example:
He said that – But She said something else – However his statement contradicts her – so which one is telling the truth – if any?
Then matters to get to court – The defence and Prosecution present their cases . . . . Judge/Jury is the one that decides.
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"When police wants to determine the guilt of a suspect, they interrogate him. The suspect will claim innocence and deny having anything to do with the crime."
Yes . . . but police try to PROVE that his denials are wrong – and it is NOT them that argue it out.
There job is fact finding . . . if the case is presentable – THEN it is sent forward. Else it isn't.
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"This is absurd thinking. It is not my job to believe or give any credence to Muhammad's lofty claims about himself. As far as I am concerned they are all lies. "
Yet – it is YOUR absurd thinking . . . As far as I am concerned your book all of it BULLSHIT. But I still . . . prove it – by highlighting inaccuracies – deception and untruth.
I employ the standards – you CLEARLY by YOUR OWN ADMISSION – don't.
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"My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation. Once Muhammad is proven a liar, who cares how many times he praised himself? "
But how are you going to prove someone a liar . . . by lying?
I will show – that YOU are the liar. . . and present my case. By giving the large number of "lies" – "fabrications" and "deceptions" and "inconsistencies" and "fallacies" and "discrepancies" and etc.
Hence – your own case has to be water tight. . . As I have shown – it simply isn't. Even from the start – look at the gaping holes . . .
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"Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect's denials and praises that he made about himself?"
Police objectivity – comes from staying NEUTRAL and dealing with the facts . . . they are subject to standards . . . for example lets say – a right nasty shit – whom they do not like – they arrest him over an alleged crime – but then they tamper with the evidence to fit him up . . . and send him to the court to be sentenced.
Here is POLICE OBJECTIVITY coming to play . . . . .
As I have highlighted (rather easily and successfully) you have no standards – as academics do – but you will do ANYTHING . . . "to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God."
Even to lie and deceive. . . . and whatnot. If you don't even have these simple concepts . . .
my God . . . . you're a bigger "fool/deceiver" than I gave you credit for!
Ok, I will denounce Ali Sina as mad. In the same breath, I will denounce Mohammad as a fucking bastard, an illegitimate child, a thorough beast, rapist and a pedophile.
You too will repeat the same words? Are you willing to leave Islam? You sure? You will not revert back?
Are you willing to call Mohammad as a pedophile, as a rapist, as thug, as a looter, as a womanizer, as an opportunist, as a false prophet?
Are you ready to attack Islam, its terrorism, its bastard and rapist prophet? Its pedophile prophet? Quran as totally made up and false? As Mohammad not having seen Gabriel? As Mohammad being a narcissist? As Mohammad having NPD, TLE and OCD? As Mohammad worse than Hitler?
As Mohammad being the most evil person to have come on the Earth? Are you willing to swear against Mohammad?
I am in full agreement and willing to do as you have mentioned above.
So I am waiting for your denial and denouncement of Mohammad.
Now the ball is in your court.
I said:
"He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays."
Sina replied:
"Apart from the fact this subject is irrelevant and trivial here is the rational argument to defend it. "
However Sina fails to explain – why the practice was uncommon – this is matter of historical accuracy – not what his imagination and making things up. If this "subject" was irrelevant – why did you include it in the first place? Then why did you further used this as a basis for further elaboration?
He has claimed something as historical fact – and now he refuses to provide evidence for his claim.
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"Mecca had probably 20,000 to 30,000 inhabitants. After all it was called Ummul Qura. "
Probabaly? Again – it is also probably untrue. This is matter of historical references . . . not plucking figures out of thin air.
"After all it was called Ummul Qura."
This does not point to how many number of residences Makkah had. Also the word "Qariyah" has become to be known as a village – center of small population. Connotations of this word – contradict what you call. Also this part of Arabia was relatively obscure – there were no great cities in comparison.
Mecca – through out the centuries has rarely been what you would call center of Muslim power. Its greatest significance has always been the Kabah.
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"Arabs used to have constant children. Each had more than a dozen."
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"However, in the year Muhammad was born only ten children were given to be fostered away. In in that year 500 new children were born, 10 out of 500 is negligible. "
References? Not figure plucking from thin air.
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"Khadijah was a wealthy woman.She could easily afford paying foster mothers to take care of her children. But she raised them all on her own. "
This does in no way – show if she breast-fed her own children or not.
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"This practice is not in accordance with human nature. Mothers can't easily part with their babies."
One can make same assumption about many things . . . for example sending children to boarding school. For example in Britain this practice is attached to wealthy and people of certain class.
"If they do, as Amina did, there must be some reason."
Yes – this WAS practice of the ruling classes of that time. Following from the above – there are numerous practices that can be deemed as "against human nature" belonging to some societies or other. . . . whilst practice by others. . . . circumcision for example.
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"In the case of Amina, we find no logical reason except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried. Why in the wold a single mother who is not wealthy would not raise her own child and give it to someone else to raise it? It just makes no sense. "
"except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried." mere speculation. You ignore the fact that the Child belonged to the ruling clan. A certain standard to maintain.
For example – Abu Lahab (his uncle) in joy sent a wet nurse. The child was given direct protection of the grandfather – who was the chieftain. Then the guardianship moved to Abu Talib, who was the subsequent leader.
According to the traditions of that time – she probably did not have the choice in the matter.
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Rather than exploring these issue – in a historical context – Sina declares them irrelevant and trivial – yet he still expounds on them – and uses this as basis. After discarding historical evidence . . . he attempts "rational argument"
But as explored . . . where is the rational argument? To portray your own perspectives and speculation as such leads to logically fallacious arguments.
Not so quick Raj. You might outsmart the local village donkey in your neck of the woods, but we humans are slightly more intelligent.
You must publicly denounce Ali Sina by stating that he is a liar, is psychologically insane and imbalanced, you do not follow any of his teachings, rationale, advice, viewpoints or ideologies. By using him as your role model you have been duped, he is a warmonger, everything he says is BS, he is out to fleece the public, is an enemy to mankind and should not be listened to at any cost.
Additionally, everything he alleges against Mohammed, he also subscribes to the same and is no different in any way, shape or form and thus the 'pot calling the kettle black' is in fact a statement of Truth concerning both Ali Sina and Mohammed because they are both identical in their claims and viewpoints. So not only denounce Mohammed, I also denounce Ali Sina in the exact same manner and accuse him of the same he has accused Mohammed of.
He has no grasp of the Arabic language, all his home made books are a lie and me (Raj) will from this day onward be the greatest critic of Ali Sina and openly challenge everything he says to be wrong and he must show himself to the public to prove he exists and is not just merely a pawn looking for a cheap payday. I finally see him for who or what he is. A psychopathic delusional lying charlatan. I am also a fool for claiming to be a Hindu, then and Atheist, then a Hindu, then an Atheist and until now I have been lost and am very confused. I believe there is One True God, but cannot bring myself into accepting him as Ali Sina has confused me into Atheism even though I subscribe to Hinduism which is totally man made and is wrong but I still do the idol worshipping, but I (Raj) and am blinded and am too stupid to see the light.
I subscribe to the Golden Rule which is pinched from Christianity, am too ignorant to think on my own, thus the deceit by Ali Sina.
Once you can do this with no reservation, I will follow suit.
You did agree in your post that both were mad, so leave both of them.
The floor is yours Raj.
"Ibrahim was the son of Mariyah who was born when Muhammad was already sixty. I was talking about the children he had with Khadijah. "
Although the main body of the text was pointing to that. But the footnote and its language is general – it does not specify that this is just about Khadijah.
An evidence pointing against this is – that this would be contrary evidence to Sina's theory of impotency.
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"Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name. "
Note: There is no reference for this given . . . hence this is simply an allegation.
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"Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do. "
By this Sina is making himself – feel better . . . . as he alleged (now false) a claim that I hadn't read his book. Which I obviously had.
He implies by "keep reading" – that he has dealt with this issue – which he hasn't. There are no further mentions of "abd al menaf"
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"If you don't have the 4th edition let me know and I will send it to you. "
I have emailed him at least 3 times . . . and i have left my email here a few times – he has never responded – again this is quite deceptive.
Isn't it?
For the record – [email protected]
"Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma'mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son)."
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"Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk."
Where did you get this from? This is NOT found in Sirah Halabiyah.
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Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.”
Lets look at what Sirah Halabi says:
لما مات قثم بن عبد المطلب قبل مولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بثلاث سنين وهو ابن تسع سنين وجد عليه وجدا شديدا، فلما ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم سماه قثم حتى أخبرته أمه آمنة أنها أمرت في منامها أن تسميه محمدا، فسماه محمدا: أي ولا مخالفة بين هذه الروايات على تقدير صحتها كما لا يخفى، لأنه يجوز أن يكون نسي تلك الرؤية ثم تذكرها
"When Qathem Bin Abdul Muttalib died three years before the birth of the Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him), he was a boy of nine years. He (Abdul Muttalib) suffered greatly. So when the Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) was born he named him Qathem until his mother Aminah informed him that she was ordered in her dream to name him 'Muhammad'. In other words, there is no inconsistency [contradiction] between these reports, on appraisal of their validity. As it is well known, although it possible that these had become forgotten then remembered."
Then he starts to address that whether the name Muhammad was ever known in Ara or used.
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"The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina."
This is not – what Sirah Halabiyah says. So where is the reference for it?
"This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. "
That Prophet Muhammad was named after his uncle – now why would that be in any way unflattering?
As far as what is the meaning of Qathem . . . where is the reference so I can check that out as well?
I could not discern any reference from the video you posted. If you have – post it up – I'll have have a look.
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"However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded. "
This is ridiculous logic . . . and an informal logical fallacy. Just because something is recorded – it does not make it true.
"Okay, so you are using the second edition."
Yes – I emailed you regarding this as well. I haven't come across versions 3,4,5 – and as far I can ignore out – there is no version 6 available to buy. If you want to give me any other editions:
[email protected]
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"The claim that the name of Muhammad was Qathem is in Islamic sources. Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxRw0uo7bo "
That video shows obscurity . . . and obscure references. Sirah Halabiyah says – and what this person says are 2 different things.
He tries to validate his Arabic by using Google! – Which is simply nonsense – as Google in not accurate. He even realizes the during the video . . . then why bother doing that? If you look closely – Google Translate garbles the sentences.
What this scholar claims – and what the person of the video claim are 2 different things as well.
This person – DOES NOT GIVE ANY REFERENCE FOR HIS CLAIM – OTHER THAN THIS CERTAIN SCHOLAR – YET HE DOES NOT SHOW WHAT THE SOURCES OF THIS SCHOLAR HIMSELF WERE.
Also what is noticeable is that – he does not give any references for his alleged "meanings". And for his illegitimacy story.
So Sina . . . why did you post this as reference?
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Point to note: Sina is not bother about academic standards, vigour or objectivity.
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"Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma'mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son). Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk. Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.” The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina."
Again . . . . this is dealing with obscurity – I will point out – to you it doesn't matter what the info is – obscure or not . . . . you will use it. Not matter how Muslims themselves view it.
There are Western and Islamic methods of dealing with history . . . . I think you are aware of that. But you have sacrificed standards to meet them.
[I deal with this passage below separately]
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"This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. It is not flattering. However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded. "
But this is absolute nonsense – Sirah Halabiyah is an Arabic book – so it is at least available for all those who know Arabic. I have it in my library database. I found pdf's on the net.
But why should one such reference have precedence over others – that are far greater in number, less obscure and etc? Although it can happen – if there is strong external or extra evidence. . . . as according to historical methods and principles. And this is not the case here.
I have pointed out your methodology for the application of the Hadith corpus and Muslim history.
I will do that, provided you say that the Quran is false.
Provided you agree and say publicly that Mohammad is a liar, Mohammad is a pedophile, Mohammad is a rapist, Mohammad is a thug, Mohammad is a looter, Mohammad was an opportunist.
Provided you say that Mohammad has fooled everyone. Provided you agree and say that Islam promotes terrorism. Provided you agree and say that the Islamic ideology is all hate and evil.
Provided you also join me on this forum and start opening the eyes of the Muslims who have been misled by Mohammad and his gangsters called sahaba.
Provided you agree that Allah is not the one true God. That the one true God is loving and does not preach hate.
Provided you start believing in humanity and the Golden Rule.
If you agree and swear by these, then I have no problem in saying that Ali Sina is an atheist whereas I believe in one true God who is not Allah. and I believe in humanity.
I will quit this forum, if you agree to publicly denounce Mohammad and Islam and take up my work of opening the eyes of the Muslims. It is that easy.
So done? Are you willing to leave Islam and denounce Mohammad as an evil person?
That's Allegory ! Its really tough to debate with low intellectuals who are missing realizations in concepts and have egotism in which atheists dwell.
Have you left Ali Sina yet Raj?
Can you please lead by example and publicly denounce Ali Sina on here for everyone to see, then I will follow suit. Deal?
But your reasons are still flawed Ali Sina! Your claim good comes from a sane mind and evil comes from an insane mind is an Atheist standpoint and are thus promoting your own belief system, which actually is a creationist ideology when the layers are lifted. So you do believe without even realising it?
All sane people have a conscience argument that you have just promoted, is what we theists believe. It comes with the package. It is an inbuilt judge in the courtroom of the mind. It makes moral judgments, even when its voice is not wanted, and its voice only addresses that which is moral. It doesn’t speak when my tie doesn’t match my shirt. But it does speak when I steal a tie from a store. Why is that? Where did the conscience come from? Why do all civilizations have the knowledge that it’s wrong to lie, kill, steal, etc.? Our social surroundings may shape the conscience, but they don’t create it. It is the inner light that God has given to every one of us, and it leaves us without excuse for our sin.
This is what you fail to grasp or you actually do understand but fail to accept openly.
According to atheism, we are but matter in motion, evolving from rocks and slime over billions of years. We supposedly arose from organisms that have no sense of morality. Animals eat their young, kill their mates, and steal the food of any animal from which they can successfully take it—whether friend, foe, or family member. Atheists allege that we are animals.
Therefore, the basic implication of the atheistic system does not allow objective moral right or objective moral wrong. Atheistic philosopher Jean Paul Sartre agrees, he said, “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist”.
If human life really is as worthless as bacteria (as atheist Eric Pianka said naturalism demands), then there would be nothing truly wrong with systematically spreading the ebola virus for the purpose of eliminating 90% of the human population, which Dr. Pianka suggested needed to happen in order to save the Earth.
Honest Atheists, who take atheistic evolution to its logical conclusion, are forced to admit what atheist Dan Barker said: that, if need be, he would rape millions of girls to save the rest of humanity. After all, if we are nothing but advanced ape-like creatures, and “our male ancestors became ancestors in part because they conditionally used rape,” then, as evolutionist Randy Thornhill confessed, “rape is evolutionary, biological, and natural”.
Atheism directly supports anarchy because it denies any absolute authority. Each man & woman is left to choose what seems best to them… this always devolves into anarchy.
What stops you from murdering someone? Why is it not the norm and why would you class it as evil?
What I am showing you Ali Sina is that there is no need to hide anymore, as you yourself have put your own picture up, so what's the point of still hiding as though you are a great mystery?
You do look like Om Puri, so now we can put a face to the name. Why still claim to be someone that you are not and still hide?
Careless of you with the picture I must say. 18 years of hiding all down the pan.
Come clean and come public so people can really start hearing you and donating to your home made ministry. I'm literally giving you advice on how to make millions, still keep doing this anti Islamic thing, have more followers and live life like a king.
Take it!
Is that true Ali Sina?
Are you self publishing the book because you are broke?
Living in Canada as you claim, are you also working 2-3 jobs making ends meet and living hand to mouth? Why not do the Lottery and hope for the best? All your financial woes will be permanently erased literally overnight.
If you can't ruffle up $50,000 in over 18 years, you must be broke.
Why not beg and borrow from the family members in order to raise some capital?
See – I have caught you out –
Hence:
"I really feel you wasting writing space here. "
This is a pathetic thing to say.
Surely my time – I can do what I feel like.
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"Ok,your read the book why don't you let Ali Sina test you knowledge on G Chat. "
Try to be a little aware of what is going on.
I have already said . . Sina for whatever reason
– doesn't bother to reply to me – that is his problem.
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The thing is when it is YOU who hasn't read the book . . .
Then why did you even bother to challenge me?
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Looks stupid doesn't it?
Prove it then? We been waiting since 1994 and so has everyone else in the whole world!
Compared to you Ali Sina, I am top dog for Islam and I ain't no scholar. As a matter of fact most Muslims are top dog for you, and you know it.
I've proven you wrong just using simple logic, let alone Islam and so have other Muslims on here.
No need to rainbow. I already know how her children came into the USA via Mexico and her sister using Wafa's passport!
Isn't that right Ali Sina?
Better than Divine apes like Darwinism thought?
Don't hate mate, don't hate!;)
Never mind Loki. It's not your fault.
You will always choose the awkward non tangible position in order to defend your incorrect stance, just for the sake of it.
I have showed you your flaws using your own reasoning. 1 in 2 is 50/50 despite what you say and especially with death and God.
I am the one who is happy doing what I am doing, I am the one who has no worries in the world, I am the one who is financially stable, I am the one who is putting food on the table for numerous employees, I am the one who is comfortable with my way of life and belief system, I am the one who is not shouting from the rooftops for people to follow me and leave their current belief system and I am the one who is content, so how am I embarrassing myself?
I am that Gold medallist which is always going to be ahead of you and I am always going to be 50% better off than you with the position I hold.
Get over it.
And on that note, my parting gift to you:
109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship,
109:3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Peace.
Don't forget, blowing up churches thinking 72 houries are waiting for you in heaven!!
That's the best! Divine pussy 🙂
"Unfortunately for you, you cannot use the fair coin analogy in your favour to determine if it is fair"
I didn't bring coin in the first place.You tried to be pedantic and said "you know like when you toss a coin, you get either a head or a tail, odds 50/50 of either landing up", and totally flopped and are now trying to cover up your immeasurable asininity.
"My maths is bang on" without knowing page 1 of probability? Good for you!
"We are very successful at what we do and Maths is a major ingredient for us, otherwise we'd be bankrupt like Ali Sina! "
What now?Boast about money and maths?That shows your standard.Empty vessels make more sound than filled ones 🙂
"Sometimes, when you win silver or bronze, you must admit defeat and accept someone else has taken gold. In this case, I am that gold medallist! "
You're the first nincompoof to declare himself the Gold medalist. 🙂
Go on! Embarrass yourself more!
"We only die once and therefore, the chance of there being a God or no God on the other side to meet and greet us is 1 of 2. (50/50)"
Again the same repetitive banality, without thinking you can't just divide that 1/1+1.Oh right, the Classical "Alian theory of probability"!! 🙂
“Sina is declaring his bias – whatever information he can use to shed a negative light on Prophet Muhammad he will use that and reject others – hence he is not objective.”
My objective is to prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. I will use only the evidence that support my claim. When police wants to determine the guilt of a suspect, they interrogate him. The suspect will claim innocence and deny having anything to do with the crime. The police ignores all those denials. The only things that they take into account are a few statements that serve as evidence against the suspect. Can we say the police is not objective and they should have also listened to the suspect’s denials and praises that he made about himself?
This is absurd thinking. It is not my job to believe or give any credence to Muhammad’s lofty claims about himself. As far as I am concerned they are all lies. My job to prove he was a liar and I only focus on the evidences that support my accusation. Once Muhammad is proven a liar, who cares how many times he praised himself?
“He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays.”
Apart from the fact this subject is irrelevant and trivial here is the rational argument to defend it.
Mecca had probably 20,000 to 30,000 inhabitants. After all it was called Ummul Qura. Arabs used to have constant children. Each had more than a dozen. There were no birth controls and they wanted to have more children. However, in the year Muhammad was born only ten children were given to be fostered away. In in that year 500 new children were born, 10 out of 500 is negligible.
Khadijah was a wealthy woman.She could easily afford paying foster mothers to take care of her children. But she raised them all on her own.
This practice is not in accordance with human nature. Mothers can’t easily part with their babies. If they do, as Amina did, there must be some reason. In the case of Amina, we find no logical reason except the fact that she might have thought the baby is an impediment for her to get remarried. Why in the wold a single mother who is not wealthy would not raise her own child and give it to someone else to raise it? It just makes no sense.
Okay, so you are using the second edition. The claim that the name of Muhammad was Qathem is in Islamic sources. Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxRw0uo7bo
This footnote you mention was removed from the third to fifth editions of Understanding Muhammad. The reason I removed it was because I had little documentation to support it. But it is added again in the sixth edition. The sixth edition says.
Nur al-Din al-Halabi (d. 1634), the author of the book Insan al-`uyun fi sirat al-Amin wa-l-Ma’mun, popularly known as al-Sira al-Halabiyya, V.1 page 128, says Muhammad’s birth name was Qathem (not to be confused with Qasem, which was the name of Muhammad’s first son). Qathem means damaged or rotten, such as damaged milk. Al-Halabi explains, “After the death of Qathem Ibn Abd-Al-Mu’taleb (Muhammad’s Uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd-Al-Mu’taleb felt so bad that when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem.” The Prophet changed his name to Muhammad, which means “the praised one” after he migrated to Medina. This information is not known to Muslims for obvious reasons. It is not flattering. However, if it were not true, it would not have been recorded.
How can it be a pack of lies if it is backed with references. The case studies are also backed with references. Just looking at the similarities you can see that Islam is a cult and not a Religion.Read the case study of Jim Jones.
Ok,your read the book why don't you let Ali Sina test you knowledge on G Chat. When I done reading I'm going to do the same.After that we can debate about what we don't agree with regarding the book. I really feel you wasting writing space here.
Ibrahim was the son of Mariyah who was born when Muhammad was already sixty. I was talking about the children he had with Khadijah.
Abdul Menaf is named sometimes Tahir, and sometimes Tayyeb. This is to hide his real name.
Keep reading. You just started the book. There is a lot of reading to do.
If you don’t have the 4th edition let me know and I will send it to you.
It is a good idea that you keep posting your comments here.
IN MALAYSIA ITS CALLED TALAK TIGA, BY SAYING ,' I DIVORCE YOU THREE TIMES' .
Assessment so far . . .
Sina's methodology is that he has fitted the evidence around his theories . . . and has ignored all contradictory evidence. When he diverges from popular history – he does so without providing references.
This methodolgy is whether it is applied to the so-called psycho-analysis or the use of the Hadith Corpus.
His method of choosing the Psychology and Science – is same as his method of choosing hadith. Whatever fits.
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Hence it is no wonder he has been reduced to self-printing this book. He is not an academic or a scientist (as far as we know) – it is clear from the start – he is not going to be objective at all.
This is why this book will work with the converted only. It will not stand up to academic rigour or standards.
"Some wealthy Arab women sometimes hired wet nurses for their infants. This freed them from nursing and allowed them to have another child right away."
"Also, this practice was not really that common."
Sina builds up a strange case – but he does not reference this at all. He tries to imply that wet-nursing was not a common procedure. This could (probably is) simply be his fabrication – to accord with his prejudice.
He has provided no references to point out why this practice was uncommon – which is not what the accepted history portrays.
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He goes on to make an alleged case against Aminah – but his basis is unattested.
"An interesting piece of information that sheds some light on her psychological makeup and her relationship with her new born child is that Amina did not breastfeed Muhammad. After his birth, the infant was given to Thueiba, a maid of his uncle Abu Lahab, (the very man whom Muhammad cursed in Sura 111, along with his wife) to be nursed. Why Amina did not nurse her child is not mentioned. All we can do is to speculate. Was she depressed by the fact that she had become a widow at such a young age? Did she think the child was an impediment to the possibility of remarriage?"
As pointed out – Sina has simply ignored all contradictory data available to build this case. Despite being a Widow and poor – she was still attached to the ruling family. In a class based society – she more importantly the child – still belonged to the ruling clan. Hence they both were above the level of working or warring classes.
There is actually biographical data available about Aminah . . . but the author has chosen not to examine this. Or provided much background to the Arabian society at the time. Given the cases he build up – it is not too unreasonable to assume that this would have been
Also – mostly whenever he digresses from popular Muslim history – he does so without providing references – hence it is difficult to assess his claim. I simply challenge their authenticity.
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One must always keep in mind – Sina is unable to verify Primary material himself – as he cannot understand Arabic. Hence he has to rely on Translations.
[More details on this provided later ]
This is another footnote (8) – Page 8:
8 Muhammad had four daughters and two sons. His male children, Qasim and Abd al Menaf
(named after deity Menaf) died in infancy. His daughters reached adulthood and married, but
they all died young. The youngest daughter, Fatima, was survived by two sons. She outlived
Muhammad by only six months.
First mistake – Prophet Muhammad had 3 sons – not two.
Secondly – their names were:
Qasim – Ibrahim and Abdullah
"Abd al Menaf (named after deity Menaf)" – Prophet Muhammad's great grandfather is called Abdul Menaf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_ibn_%27Abd_Ma…
I did ask FanSina this – but after the strange "gotcha" – I have heard no reply.
This is from page 8:
"In the year 570 A.D., in Mecca, Arabia, a widowed young woman, Amina, gave birth to a boy whom she called Muhammad.7"
However:
The footnote:
"He changed his name to Muhammad (praised one) at the age of fifty-three, when he migrated to Medina."
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The complete footnote is:
Acording to one tradition (that I have not been able to verify its authenticity) Muhamamd’s
original name was Qutham. He was also known as Halabi. He changed his name to
Muhammad (praised one) at the age of fifty-three, when he migrated to Medina.
Now this is strange . . . "Acording to one tradition (that I have not been able to verify its authenticity)"
There is no references given for this at all – and by all intents is an obscure. I have not yet found any reference for it. I have checked 171 Hadith book database.
So why mention such obscurity? Maybe it came from:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t…
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However what he calls "Qutham" – may simply be the name Qasim. A name Prophet Muhammad has referred himself by.
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This was obscure – that it was hardly worth mentioning.
This does imply that – Sina has no methodical, logical, consistant or comprehensive way of using & applying the Hadith Corpus – other than what he alluded to – he will choose whatever Hadith he wishes according to his inclination.
"Traditions that are diffusely recurrent are called mutawattir. These traditions have come down to later generations through a large number of chains of narrations, involving diverse transmitters. It is virtually impossible that all these people, living in different localities and espousing (at times radically) different views, would come together, to fabricate the exact same lie and attribute it to their prophet."
This follows on from the above.
However it is not an exacting definition of Hadith Mutawatir. . . . which is a Hadith that has large number of narrators in the first three eras of Islam. Although there is no specified number of Hadith Muttawatir that is agreed upon by many scholars – however it is generally accepted that most Hadith are not Muttawatir and they are relatively few. Most relate to basic Islamic worship – such as the 5 daily prayers, Hajj, Fasting and etc.
This appears to be a random thought process and nothing is concluded from it . . . the implication is there to justify the Sina's methodology above.
Although this does show – Sina is at least aware of Hadith sciences – but not much can be be ascertained from the random passage.
On page four of his book, he states:
"It is to be expected that believers would elevate the status of their prophet, falsely attribute miracles to him and make him look saintly. In the biography of Muhammad, however, we also find thousands of accounts that do not portray him as a holy man, but rather, depict him as vile, ruthless, cunning, and even as a sexual pervert. There is no reason to believe these stories are false. It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain. So if such stories exist, narrated by his companions, those who believed in him and loved him, in such a large numbers, it is likely that they are true."
Now this is very important – I will write a more extensive analysis of this and its implications. This appears to be his only methodology that he applies to the Hadith Corpus. However it is flawed:
Sina is declaring his bias – whatever information he can use to shed a negative light on Prophet Muhammad he will use that and reject others – hence he is not objective.
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This is fallacious logic. Cherry picking – is a logical fallacy. . . rejecting evidence just because it does not match your bias – is a ridiculous position to adopt.
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"It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain. So if such stories exist, narrated by his companions, those who believed in him and loved him, in such a large numbers, it is likely that they are true."
a) Faulty logic – From this premise:
"It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain."
Hence – all such stories should be "false"
b) Large number of "such" stories do not exist. One only has to examine the "reference sections" of the book to discern the relatively small number Hadith quoted and used by the author.
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Muslims have a system and methodology regarding Hadith Corpus – this is used to critique Hadith. What Sina is saying above is that he will disregard this whole science – and apply the aforementioned method.
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This short section reveals a lot – he employs this method throughout the book – and it is vital enough to merit a more thorough analysis.
"If you read the book you would not have given quotes but written down what you remembered from reading it. You must really give it a try becos you wasting ur time and energy on this site. "
I gave a single quote – and I was puzzled by why you are asking this . . hence I asked the question.
You did NOT specify what you were asking. Hence how was I meant to know – that you did NOT want actual quote?
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Now you assume what you like.
See – this shows you already had a plan for "gotcha"
But it is simply erroneous and deceptive of you.
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I have read the book – absolutely and thoroughly.
Let me ask you a question in return . . .
What simple contradiction does Sina make on page 8.
The section beginning – The Brith and Childhood of Muhammad.
If you read the book you would not have given quotes but written down what you remembered from reading it. You must really give it a try becos you wasting ur time and energy on this site.
I challenged Sina over his book – and he did NOT respond. Now he has really started to get personal:
"Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "
Of course – he hasn't proved it. I will paste bits of findings as I go through the book. It is just that these comments section are unsuitable for pasting long passages.
I have twice previously – recommended bbPress forums . . . but to no avail.
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Where are his supporters now? Which "truth" does . . . Sina stand for? Personally attacking you . . . when the going gets tough?
"You would rather not recommend everyone to read it, because he will
be very rich, and that's all what he is aiming at."
Oh – there are free versions available. I don't mean that everyone should go out of their way. . . just that he is trying to create a bogeyman scenario . . . and I recommend it – to read it carefully – to those that happen to come to this site.
Check his sources . . . I mean there is a lot of deception there. Errors and mistakes.
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" I might read it, if I get it for free."
Either search for it – or [email protected] – drop me line I will send it. There is nothing in it.
I can categorically say – I challenged Sina over the book . . .
He never responded.
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I will post my finding on the net – and some on these comments section regardless.
I doubt he will answer – obviously not against someone capable.
"Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "
Not only have I read the book – I have analysed it as well.
Thoroughly.
The questioner did not specify – what they wanted.
And I pasted the quote.
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Sina has made several sickening personal attack towards me . . .
Something I have never done.
Simple – he cannot handle the questioning and he couldn't reply. hence he is getting personal.
How is that rational, logical or sane?
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"I know they are lying. No person can read my book and keep his faith. Those who do, never write back. So I tell them whether they are ready for a short quiz. I invite them to meet me on Gchat and I will ask them a few questions about the book to make sure they have read it. It is then that they refuse and it becomes clear they have not read the book. "
Despite the long spiel . . .
Sina never asked me – for any short quiz or anything.
He simply didn't bother to reply back.
Now he has started to attack me personally.
I think he knows full well I have read the book . . .
and it is a pack of lies.
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" This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not. "
he made this claim . . . yet he did not prove any such thing.
Man – I sure am disappointed!
One line of questioning and look what has happened to you. . .
. . . . look at what you did before – when I challenged your copy and paste job over the Quran.
When you cannot sustain you pack of lies and they are challenged – then this is what you come out with . . .
to get away from it.
"Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn't have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human's soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience. "
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Simple – you couldn't handle it. hence you resorted to this level.
"It is up to you to prove that people become najis by belief or disbelief."
Why?
The question was on irrationality and you didn't bother to answer it.
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"I offered a test that can be made in a laboratory. Does any test prove that Muslims' body fluids is cleaner than non-Muslims?"
What did that have to do with being Najis?
A state of spiritual impurity.
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"Does belief in anyway purify or make dirty the blood or the secretion of the body? What is the scientific basis of this Quranic claim which you uphold? "
Excrement and body fluids aren't even mentioned here.
What has that to do with anything.
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"Non-Muslims are beaten or even killed if they accidentally drink from the same containers that Muslims drink. "
This is absolute nonsense – and it isn't the Muslims way.
This is what motivated someone like Ali Jinnah to sign up to Pakistan for example.
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" What is the scientific foundation of this idiocy? It is up to you to prove this ridiculous claim. I don't have to disprove something which is not proven. "
I asked you to PROVE your statement. . .
that is of irrationality of the belief. . . which you have been unable to do.
And you have understood the verse – in anyway wanted – and claimed what you wanted.
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"Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn't have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human's soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience. "
This is frighteningly absurd, ridiculous, hateful and absolutely disgusting. . .
There is no way of putting it. It is a hateful and hateful personal attack.
I have not once made any such claims . . . about you – or anyone else. Ever.
It is to be expected . . . given how you have called every single Muslim to – "be dirty" more dirtier than non-Muslims, scumbags, guilty – hence to you no Muslim death is innocent.
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Simply by challenging your views – you label me as such . . .
oh and the lies of "rationality" – "evidence" and "logical fallacies"
That is all out of the window. . . .
I mean what kind of person are you?
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Is it any wonder . . . that you linger in the pits. With ridiculous claims and pushing a piddly little book – that you self published. . . and is full of mistakes and same kind of deception and falsehood.
Aminriadh has not read the book. He has a free copy of the pdf but like a true Muslim he will never read a book that may open his eyes. But if you ask him a question about it he will search the word and will copy a passage. This does not prove he has read it and I can actually prove he has not.
Many Muslims write to me to debate. I tell them I will debate only if they read my book first. They ask for it and I send it to them. A few days later they say they have read it and now I should debate them. I know they are lying. No person can read my book and keep his faith. Those who do, never write back. So I tell them whether they are ready for a short quiz. I invite them to meet me on Gchat and I will ask them a few questions about the book to make sure they have read it. It is then that they refuse.
I know Muslims’ mind. These miserable creatures think they can deceive me.
It is up to you to prove that people become najis by belief or disbelief. I offered a test that can be made in a laboratory. Does any test prove that Muslims’ body fluids is cleaner than non-Muslims? Does belief in anyway purify or make dirty the blood or the secretion of the body? What is the scientific basis of this Quranic claim which you uphold?
You say “what has that got to do with anything?” So what makes one najis? It is microbes that make people filthy. If microbes cannot be produced with thoughts then this verse is stupid just like any other thing Muhammad said. Muslims forced religious minorities to stay home during rainy days lest a drop of rain bounce from their body into theirs and make them najis. They do not use vessels used by the religious minorities because they are rendered najis. Non-Muslims are beaten or even killed if they accidentally drink from the same containers that Muslims drink. All these abuses are due to this asinine belief. What is the scientific foundation of this idiocy? It is up to you to prove this ridiculous claim. I don’t have to disprove something which is not proven.
Earlier I said I have not read enough of your posts to know whether you are an evil man or not. Now I have and I can definitely say you are. What I watch in people is a little conscience. It doesn’t have to be much. Only a grain of conscience is enough to save a human’s soul. After debating with thousands of Muslims I can detect that very soon with 90 to 95 percent accuracy. Now I can say with that accuracy that you have no conscience.
Why ask that?
"Although Muhammad had several epileptic trances since his childhood,
we must not discard the possibility that Cave Hira may have tapped
hallucinogenic vapors that triggered his visions."
By the way,you said that you read Alisna's Book. If so, what does Alisina say about the cave hira. What inside the cave could have had a impact on the prophet.Other cave studies are also given. Come on now.
Dear Chinaloi, I'm glad to know that you're a white Chinese. Aren't you glad that I'm a white Indian? Yes, different races may think differently but still, truth matters. I'm also help to help all human beings come to the ultimate realization of the absolute truth. 🙂
His poked face was mention by Ali.
"I don't look at Om Puri's pokes in his face."
Which shows you have noticed!
It is like the old riddle – What is broken by merely saying its name.
"Why are you so desperate to derail the subject? "
Look who is talking. Pot calling the kettle black.
Sina . . . you failed to answer the "Question".
What is irrational about:
"Considering people najis (filthy) for what they believe."
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"Let us take someone who believes in Allah and make him blaspheme or reversal and test their bodily fluid before and after their conversion. Will there be any difference?"
What has that got to do with anything?
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"You are not that stupid to accept this test which would prove the Quran false one more time. So why you believe in this lie? It is because you have surrendered your rational thinking to a madman. And those who make you believe in absurdities will make you do atrocities. This is why Muslims do all sorts of evil things. This is not hate mongering. I am explaining the source of evil in you people. "
Even on a simple question . . . all you could do is repeat the spiel as per usual.
I have noted this and highlighted it. . .
. . . you don't bother to answer what is put to you.
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Avoidance won't get you anywhere – this is the same case with most of what you come out with . . .
. . . if challenged – it falls down like pack of cards.
As I have shown here – you either avoid answering . . . or its the old "you are a liar" litany.
Sina – is no Scholar – has no academic worth. . . . hence you have no more legitimacy than Harun Yahya does in science.
Why would a Scholar wish to engage with you? On what basis?
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"I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam. I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat. "
Bullshit – and you know it.
"this was a befitting response to your less than intelligent comment that irrational and illogical people agree with me. "
Although. . . as I had already clarified – what I comment meant. . .
. . . this is treacherous lie from you.
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"So how can your harebrained comment make sense and my retorting the same "says is all doesn't it?" "
But you didn't retort the same . . . read and compare the comments.
This is simply with hindsight.
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"This proves again that a Muslims can't see the plank in his own eyes but is so expert in finding a speck in the eyes of others. "
Meaningless guff – as usual – and it doesn't go with anything.
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Point to note (again) – SIna is ok to embroil in a petty squabble – yet once again doesn't bother to answer question of any worth.
"I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam."
Your claim . . with nothing to back it up with. However – there is plenty of evidence to say – you are lying outright.
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" I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat."
Yeah right. . . .again I point to the above. If this was remotely true. . . what are you doing – piddling here – pushing that 2-bit book?
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" I am not asking for debate."
Yes you are . . . when I mentioned Hamza Yusuf, Yusuf Estes and Bilal Philips . . . that is exactly what you said. As you have said previously – several times.
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"But if I were a Muslim scholar and could shut someone like me up I would not play snub. I would get to the ring and show the world that Islam is true. "
it doesn't work like that – and it would give you undue legitimacy.
Ha ha . . . . look how badly you do against the likes of me.
Om Puri is also a very sexy man. He acted in many bollywood art movies and was well known for his explicit sex scenes. He is very manly, so you should consider it as a compliment. He also has a very manly voice. I try to see the beauty in every person. I don't look at Om Puri's pokes in his face.
No one said they have to debate me. I am dismantelling Islam and have helped many Muslims leave Islam. I have also helped millions of people to see Islam as a threat. I am not asking for debate. But if I were a Muslim scholar and could shut someone like me up I would not play snub. I would get to the ring and show the world that Islam is true.
[“On the contrary, the irrational and illogical people are those who viciously attack me.”
Says it all doesn’t it. Oh well. ]
this was a befitting response to your less than intelligent comment that irrational and illogical people agree with me. So how can your harebrained comment make sense and my retorting the same “says is all doesn’t it?” This proves again that a Muslims can’t see the plank in his own eyes but is so expert in finding a speck in the eyes of others.
Yes indeed, if there were 1,2,3,4,5, editions, he wouldn't forget to make
that much of fuss and advertisments about them (like the fuss he is
doing now about edition 6).
You would rather not recommend everyone to read it, because he will
be very rich, and that's all what he is aiming at. I might read it, if I get
it for free. People are not interested in buying it because they do not think
that there is anything new added in it. All what he wanted to say about
Mohammad, he mentioned it in his sites.
I just want to say something to the apostates or the ones who are leaving
Islam (whether to be atheists or join another religion).
I strongly agree that it is your right to do so, but never ever believe that
people like Sina will like one day, even if you change your skin,
as long as you have been Muslims one day, as long as your ancestors
were Muslims or Arabs.
Are you saying it is rational to believe one becomes clean and najish simply by believing in something or not believing in it? Can we put this to test in a lab? Let us take someone who believes in Allah and make him blaspheme or reversal and test their bodily fluid before and after their conversion. Will there be any difference?
You are not that stupid to accept this test which would prove the Quran false one more time. So why you believe in this lie? It is because you have surrendered your rational thinking to a madman. And those who make you believe in absurdities will make you do atrocities. This is why Muslims do all sorts of evil things. This is not hate mongering. I am explaining the source of evil in you people.
I don’t look like him but that is fine. He is a good looking guy. What this has to do with what I say about Islam? Why are you so desperate to derail the subject?
When you condemn such person – in the way you have done – and then the only reason you write such long spiels is to make yourself look good.
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"Considering people najis (filthy) for what they believe."
What is irrational about it?
It is a small question – but Ali doesn't ask such questions.
I do.
“You cannot even give and answer as to where evil and good generate from, but you want us to believe that the Quran, Islam and Mohammed are fake and evil.”
I answered this question in detail. You don’t pay attention. Good and evil originate from human mind. Sane people do good and insane people do evil. A sane person enjoys his own acts of kindness, altruism and generosity. A man who jumps in torrent waters to save another person’s life does not even think about what he is doing and that this may cost his own life. Doing good is natural to him. On the other hand a sadist enjoys hurting. The more his victim suffers the more pleasure he gets. In the above examples one person is good and the other is evil. What makes them so is their mind.
I also explained that a mentally insane person is not really responsible for his evil deeds because his brain is impaired. You can’t expect kindness and empathy from a person who has no tool to express those feelings. An animal of prey also hurts and does evil things to his prey. Well-fed cats hunt mice, garden snakes and birds and torture them to death just for fun. But you can’t say they are evil. That is their nature. The same is true about sadists, narcissists and sociopaths.
However, if a normal person who has a functioning brain doses the same things that person is truly evil. Muslims do all sorts of evil things when they follow the teachings of their sociopath prophet. Muhammad is dead and he can’t be held responsible for his evil deeds because he was insane. But Muslims are not insane and yet do the most hideous and insane things. They follow an insane man. They are guilty as hell. Ignorance can be forgiven but willful stupidity is not forgivable. You know the difference between good and evil and you choose to take the side of evil. Like a fly who enjoys dung you gravitate to evil.
I explained this in a very rational way. This is not hate mongering. It is a logical explanation for why Muslims do the evil things that they do.
Everything Muslims do in insane. Waging war for God! Is this not insane? Considering people najis (filthy) for what they believe. This is not rational. But it is in the Quran and Muslims believe in it. They are also so shameless that want to come and live among the najis people. They ignore this part of the Quran until they come to power. Isn’t polygamy insane? Isn’t child marriage insane? Isn’t regarding women as animals with no rights insane? Isn’t stoning people for having sex insane? Isn’t genital mutilation, both for girls and boys insane? Isn’t beating people for eating or drinking during the month of Ramadan insane? Isn’t beating people for consuming alcohol insane? You are an insane people. Everything you do is insane. Now I know some of you will say ah, but circumcision is in the Bible and stoning is in the Bible. So what? Does one insanity justify another? These laws are evil no matter where they are found.
To the degree that Muslims follow Muhammad they are evil. I think I have made this point clear in a very logical way without resorting to any logical fallacy. I did not appeal to emotions, I did not make personal attacks, I did not use circular reasoning, I did not generalize, etc. Muslims are evil to the extent that they follow their insane prophet. This is logical and simple to understand.
"My gun is pointed against Islam. As long as you identify yourself with this evil doctrine, you think the gun is pointed against you. "
See. . . there is your hypocrisy again . . . why purposefully use – violent terminology on one hand – then attempt to claim that you are not violent.
The thing is all extremists say that . . . such "absolutes" are always found in fanatical literature.
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" But don't ask me to leave Islam alone because you hide hide in it."
Meaningless self serving rhetoric. . .
and it is logically fallacious too.
I never once asked you to leave Islam alone. . . .
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"Islam is presenting a threat to the survival of humanity and it must be eradicated."
Word of a hate monger – nothing more. You keep saying this. . . so what?
You have pathological problems. . .
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"You must realize that we have no other choice but to destroy Islam."
Again – you are talking to you own self. . . but why are you making them as a reply to me?
Meaningless sentences don't work. I mean what is the guff in answer to – that you made it into reply?
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"It would be far better if you are not in it. But that is up to you. "
Ha ha ha . . . well there is NOTHING you can do about it . . . hence a meaningless answer.
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Once again you answer by spiel of well versed nonsense. . .
. . . what is the point of that. Look how easy it to take apart?
"Ghamidi and his student Zahir believe in hadith. They just are selective and would like to interpret those that to them sound stupid."
To the extent – that there is no coherent or logical methodology that I know – which they follow. Unlike Traditional Islam. Hence rendering them pretty meaningless.
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" Edup claims not be believe in hadith. That is not because he does not. The Islam that he knows is based on hadith. Without it he would not even know what was the name of the father of Muhammad ans where did come from. He can't perform hajj and prayer since the details of these are in hadith. "
All the things you mention – he doesn't do. Every single one of them he has denied – and i mean every single one.
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"Unfortunately for him, the Quran is no less stupid than the hadith. "
You keep saying that . . . but look what happened when I showed you up – on miniscule point. . . your reaction was. . . less than appetizing.
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My gun is pointed against Islam. As long as you identify yourself with this evil doctrine, you think the gun is pointed against you. Once you leave it you’ll see it is not pointed against you at all. It is not my fault that you hide inside Islam. Get out of it. But don’t ask me to leave Islam alone because you hide hide in it. Islam is presenting a threat to the survival of humanity and it must be eradicated. If you want to be saved and not be sacrificed uselessly don’t cling to it. You must realize that we have no other choice but to destroy Islam. It would be far better if you are not in it. But that is up to you.
"The “we” stands for I and all those who believe Islam can and should be eradicated by exposing its lies."
I am glad you cleared this up. For obvious reasons.
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"I think we are a growing majority. "
i.e. – you hope. . . evidence? – none given or will be given.
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I will repeat this again . . . Sina you*, resume to elucidate the well versed mantra. Again failing to answer anything of worth.
These words don't really mean much . . . the devil is in the details.
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Ghamidi and his student Zahir believe in hadith. They just are selective and would like to interpret those that to them sound stupid. Edup claims not be believe in hadith. That is not because he does not. The Islam that he knows is based on hadith. Without it he would not even know what was the name of the father of Muhammad ans where did come from. He can’t perform hajj and prayer since the details of these are in hadith. Nonetheless he calls the hadith fairytale in the hope that the critics of Islam don’t bring that up to show his religion is stupid. Unfortunately for him, the Quran is no less stupid than the hadith.
"They are irrational and illogical. "
I actually meant your arguments – this wasn't clear from above.
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However:
Most people who do comment – are "illogical and irrational" – but not all. I mean there are lots of trolls about.
I don't call knowTheEnemy a troll. . . but rational – or logical. Not a chance!
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"On the contrary, the irrational and illogical people are those who viciously attack me."
Says it all doesn't it. Oh well. . . . why should Muslims scholars even bother to debate you – when you label them preemptively as such?
Would an intelligent – read such guff – laugh and get on with their life?
I mean – seems to me I am doing a fine job to keep you in check.
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Point to note – I was right – Sina failed to address the actual questions.
The “we” stands for I and all those who believe Islam can and should be eradicated by exposing its lies. I think we are a growing majority. This “we” does not comprise those who think to stop Islam we have to nuke Ka’ba or advocate any act of violence against Muslims. However, they also don’t believe in pacifism and in turning the other cheek. I don’t subscribe to any extremism. I neither think the answer is in violence nor do I believe it is in pacifism. I believe in the equality of all people and in the sacredness y of life. At the same time we must defend our lives and should it be necessary to kill the enemy to stop him we should not hesitate to do that.
On the contrary, the irrational and illogical people are those who viciously attack me.
Another point is . . .
Who are you? You have no standing as a Scholar. You had to self publish your own book. So why would Islamic scholars bother to debate with you?
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This would give you undue legitimacy. We have such an Islamic character – Harun Yahaya
'Tis why he seeks debates . . . but I am on side Dawkins (HELP ME!) on this one. Yahyah – is no scientist – a debate with Dawkins would give him undue legitimacy of sorts.
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Tell me – why are you any different than Harun Yahya?
You know full well – the type of people who will lap up all such arguments . . .
They are irrational and illogical. Yet you repeatedly fail to address this.
That in itself says a lot.
Sina – you know full well you repeat this over and over – but this hog-wash is useless . . . as you repeatedly ignore questions. . .
Look at what I have asked. And looked at the set standard reply.
I can point to several instances – where you have done the same thing . . .
Either answer properly to questions . . . or you'll look like a fool.
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"We can't kill Muslim children ruthlessly. But Muslims will kill our children gleefully."
Bullshit – you define EXACTLY who "we" is . . . then we'll get right down to the business.
Who are you including in this "we". There is no one – Muslims Vs Non-Muslims.
Hence clarify.
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You give it the large . . .
"We must not hit back with equal force but with a force that will render then unable and they can no longer pose a threat to us for a long time. "
But rhetoric like this doesn't mean much . . . especially when I have proposed your failure to condemn any violence by USA and its allies against Muslims.
This exposes your hypocrisy – surely?
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Then there is your VILE attitude towards all Muslims here . . .
If you are so against violence – then how do you explain that?
Why is that? You bring out the big gun of "hate" indiscriminately against all Muslims . . .
So how is that not being Violent?
I will point you to Daniel Pipes . . . I doubt he has any more love for Islam than you.
But I wouldn't put him same class as a hatemonger as you.
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GIVEN ON PAST PERFORMANCE – I SEVERELY DOUBT SINA WILL ACTUALLY BOTHER TO ANSWER.
I DON'T USUALLY DO THIS . . . . BUT HE HAS SEVERE PROBLEMS WITH HONESTY . . .
"Who is the top dog in Islam? Anyone who debates with me suddenly becomes fringe."
Which isn't true . . . as I only held up 2 names . . . the deductive jump of yours is false. You know pretty well virtually all Muslims believe in the Hadith corpus . . . hence Ghamdhi and Edip are – fringe characters.
I mean even Irshad Manji calls herself Muslim – Interestingly enough – so does Wafa Sultan!
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"That is why no one dares to debate. They know that as soon as they are mauled they become the fringe. "
Ha ha ha ha . . . extraordinary leap of ego . . . I doubt anyone have even heard your name. The thing is you only pick such characters . . .
Hence why you avoid me for instance . . . you know full well – I will give you run for your money!
"Who is the top dog in Islam?" lol
Let me tell you what is a debate ?! Its nothing but playing lawn tennis. When you win again you find court and you are playing. Watch now ball is in your court !
Thanks to Allah for my empire state of mind.
There was a time I advocated pacifism. Not anymore. Now I believe pacifism is naif. I valued pacifism because I myself relent to it immediately. But projecting my own values on everyone is a mistake. Today I know how human mind works much better than when I was an idealist young man. Bullies actually become invigorated and increase their pressure when they encounter pacifists. Bullies will only relent to a superior force. Therefore I strongly oppose showing kindness to bullies. I have said it that should Muslims pose an existential threat to the west we must not hesitate to nuke them out of existence before they succeed. The difference between Muslims and communists is that with the latter the threat of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) worked as a detente and we came out of the Col War and the world was not destroyed. With Muslims we won’t have that guarantee. Muslims will destroy the world in the hope that they will be resurrected. These are insane people. The rules are very different when we deal with insane people. If a mad man gets control of a gun, the first thing you should do is to shoot him.
Islam is insanity. You must deal with then the way you’d deal with insane people. We don’t kill insane people. As long as they pose no threat to others, we try to accommodate them and help them. But once they pose a threat to others, then you shoot them immediately.
Muslims have quoted me over and over trying to portray me as a warmonger. Far from it. I never advocate war or violence against Muslims. I have said it repeatedly that violence is the preferred weapon of Muslims. When you use violence against Muslims you are fighting in their turf. We can never be as violent as Muslims. We can’t kill Muslim children ruthlessly. But Muslims will kill our children gleefully. When it comes to violence we are much weaker than Muslims. However, if they start it we must respond and subdue them with brutal force. We must not hit back with equal force but with a force that will render then unable and they can no longer pose a threat to us for a long time.
“People like Edip and Ghamadi – are fringe personalities.”
Who is the top dog in Islam? Anyone who debates with me suddenly becomes fringe. That is why no one dares to debate. They know that as soon as they are mauled they become the fringe.
@ Ali the Muslim
Ok, so now you acknowledge that so far you have been fkd by Mohammad. That Mohammad is mad, and in the same token you say that Ali Sina is mad.
Then leave both the mad persons.
Now work for your own salvation from now onwards. Start having faith that there is a one true God (not the Allah of your mad Mohammad – as you yourself have acknowledged) and do some random acts of charity/kindness. That is all. Stop following the Quran which of course is from the mad person which you have acknowledged.
This much intellect is enough. More intellect will count as oversmartness and will lead you into Hellhole.
Rest assured, you have turned a positive guy believing in goodness.
All the best.
"I've noticed the deeper you go into Islam, the less control you have on your emotions, I believe its the fear factor that Islam has created."
Comments like that are pretty meaningless – as it is near impossible to discern anything.
" in the process i found your debate on your site. i was amazed by it. you really floored all the so called scholars of islam so easily and so fundamentally."
The thing is . . . any intelligent person would be able to figure out that –
People like Edip and Ghamadi – are fringe personalities. They aren't what you would call scholars or repute. In case of Edip – he isn't a scholar of anything.
So why would that effect someones viewpoint on Islam?
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By the looks of it not many. . . it is a vanity print.
Also I don't think there were versions 3, 4 ,5 – he seems to have jumped straight to six.
I have not been able to find anything about 1, 3,4,5 editions.
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SIna, it seems, has put me on auto ignore it seems – I have emailed a challenge on this book. He doesn't want a debate.
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Do you know – I do recommend everyone to read it. . . . Anyone who has semblance active intelligence about her/him (Muslim or Non-Muslim) would . . . .
"But those of you have come to this site and have become acquainted with the truth and still prefer evil to good are truly evil beings."
This is the same type of claim . . . extremist OF ANY TYPE will claim.
Head off to any fanatical Muslims – they will make the same claims.
I will repeat – if Sina had the actual power he would have no trouble killing Muslims.
Hence – he refuses to denounce any military tactics that kill extraordinary amount of innocent people . . . as according to him are "guilty."
His vitriol is extremely fanatical and vindictive.
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"But not only you still cling to it, you come here, viciously attack me and others who tell you the truth. It is not that your brain is malfunctioning. All its parts work fine. So how can we explain your love for evil and your rejection of truth and good? My only conclusion is that you are an evil soul."
This extraordinary amount of hate . . . .
Look at many of your OWN comments Sina and those of your supporters . . .
There is a lot of hate and ignorance there. Majority of these people belong to other religions – and they come to brand their own stick about . . .
Point to me on this site . . . who is one bit interested in truth?
Name me one regular person. . . ?
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Apparently "You" banned this person "Julia" – however:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/…
Read the amount of "evil" here.
When the gun ain't point at you – you are not one bit bothered.
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"I have not read enough of Aminriadh's comments to know him well. "
I don't think this is TRUE at all . . . . proving you wrong over a small thing left you you spoting all sorts of nonsense. . .
You were out with "you are a liar" line instantly . . . do you know every NET TROLL does that.
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My God – this is sickening . . . vitriolic hate . . .
Which one of your supporters supports this?
@Ali Sina. Everything you have said is personal subjective dribble. Not one ounce of what you have said makes any sense, can be backed up rationally or holds any Truth.
This time you are using the appeal to emotion fallacy where you attempt to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.
In layman's terms, appeals to emotion include appeals to fear, envy, hatred, pity, pride, and more. It's important to note that sometimes a logically coherent argument may inspire emotion or have an emotional aspect, but the problem and fallacy occurs when emotion is used instead of a logical argument, or to obscure the fact that no compelling rational reason exists for one's position.
Everyone, bar sociopaths, is affected by emotion, and so appeals to emotion are a very common and effective argument tactic, but they're ultimately flawed, dishonest, and tend to make one's opponents justifiably emotional.
The reason why you call Muslims like us evil Ali Sina, is because we see right through you and deal with you the way you need to be dealt with using your own Golden Rule.
You cannot even give and answer as to where evil and good generate from, but you want us to believe that the Quran, Islam and Mohammed are fake and evil.
Have you ever wondered why you are in the position you are in and why it will never get better?
I suggest you do some serious soul searching, because after the dust settles, you are the biggest admirer of Islam bar none.
Accept it Om Puri, accept it! You are no apostate, you are a MUSLIM. That is why you even chose your pseudonym as Ali Sina, ( Abu Ali Ibn Sina) who was what? Persian philosopher, physician, scientist and Muslim.
It's time for prayer, go and do your Wudhu please.
@Raj. I know you were not blessed with intellect and thus your comprehension skills are a little slower than the average human, but come on now.
If Mohammed is mad and on the same token Ali Sina is also mad, thus the pot calling the kettle black statement, then on what basis should we leave Mohammed and follow Ali Sina or even listen to his advice.
How can we leave one mad person for another mad person.
F'k me, you are DUMBER than I had already envisaged!
You mean On Puri?
I told you, you looked like him!
What's wrong Raj the dung worshipper?
Is the truth starting to hurt?
Never mind, plenty more from where that came from. Have you washed today?
How deep?
There is no fear. As long as anti-Islamist don't know how Islam was spread and being spread , they can't harm it.
I've noticed the deeper you go into Islam, the less control you have on your emotions, I believe its the fear factor that Islam has created.
feed back needed from Muslim fraternity.
If Muslim grow and sell drugs to non Muslim, is it OK? I have got an info from unreliable source that Muslims run alcohol shops in UK too. If intoxicants are Haram/forbidden to consume, is it OK to earn money from them ?(here drugs are not related to medicine but with narcotics)
Likewise Halal meat is blessed meat, holy hymns are read, animal is made to face holy Shrine in Mecca, is it OK to sell it to non Muslims or Hotels, where it could be served with alcohol or with Pork dishes. Should not care be taken while giving Halal to non Muslim, that no insult be done to it ? It is OK when non Muslim eat halal food at Muslim outlet but what about his/her home or non Muslim Hotel?
There was a Jew, who use throw garbage on Prophet PBUH, once fallen ill and did not throw garbage. Yet prophet PBUH went to see him. I myself see Dr Sina using language after which Muslims get provoked. Indians/Hindus add fuel to fire. Instead of answering the points, often Muslims indulge in mud slinging. That is what Dr Sina and his supporter want to prove to the world. It is human nature. But many things in Islam, teach something, which could be used to overcome human nature.
Say since birth if i am following wrong things being befooled. Once i came to know the truth. If i stop following the wrong thing, my ego will be hurt. What people will think of me, that i was fool for such a long time. So i will still stick to wrong. Similar thing is there about idol worshipers. When they are told to stick to it due to their parents doing this.
I am glad you found the truth before falling into that trap. Yes i too believe exposing this deception is a great service to humanity and I truly enjoy the thought that my life is not a waste. If I die today, I know I my life has been fruitful. I hope everyone does the same.
@ Ali the Muslim
// Plus, you actually have the audacity to call Mohammed mad?
The pot calling the kettle black is it, Ali Sina? //
Whether Ali Sina qualifies to be called black (figuratively – mad – as you put it ) is doubtful, but you yourself have admitted that Mohammad is black. (therefore by your argument – Mohammad is mad )
@ Ali Sina – these scums are waiting for your silly/simple mistake where you have forgotten to put a coma or an exclamation mark – just to humiliate. They cannot accept simple mistakes can happen argument, just because they are in an indefensible position. Somehow they want to show their logical superiority.
They want to show their logical superiority, where if you say Mohammad is having 100000 hairs, they will say it is 100010 hairs.
Just do not respond to such people.
Go and throw your good for nothing brain in the Dead Sea.
Sina, was replying as per your logic/thinking. If you cannot comprehend properly, stop arguing.
Anyways, Mohammad has taken away your brain. Whatever remains, throw it into the Dead Sea.
Evil comes from warped thinking. A sociopath enjoys torturing and abusing others. He feels empowered and godlike when he destroys someone’s life. He does evil because it gives him pleasure.
One can argue that a sociopath is mentally impaired and therefore not responsible for his actions. On that account one could even forgive Muhammad and Hitler. But not those who follow/ed these insane people and do/did their bidding. Such people are truly evil. There is an impairment in the function of the brain of sociopaths but those who follow sociopaths are not mentally impaired. They gravitate towards evil and do evil because they are evil by their nature.
Ignorance can be forgivable. Most Muslims do evil and follow a psychopath because they don’t know better. But those of you have come to this site and have become acquainted with the truth and still prefer evil to good are truly evil beings. Good people naturally gravitate towards good and evil people gravitate towards evil. You and other Muslims in this site who have been regular readers and debaters must be very evil people.
I had a strong faith too, but when I read the Quran it was clear to me I was reading something very evil. You probably have read the Quran or at least enough of it to realize it is a diabolic book. But not only you still cling to it, you come here, viciously attack me and others who tell you the truth. It is not that your brain is malfunctioning. All its parts work fine. So how can we explain your love for evil and your rejection of truth and good? My only conclusion is that you are an evil soul. A diabolic being who loves evil, prefers violence and his heart is filled with hatred. – real disciple of Satan, figuratively speaking.
Anything that you abhor is good and anything you love is evil. I hope that answers your question. Even comes from your soul.
Another person who is very evil is Zeitouni. I have not read enough of Aminriadh’s comments to know him well. But there was a woman who came here and she attacked me, as Muslims naturally do. However, I felt some goodness in her. Sher decided not to post anymore but I believe one day she may come to her senses and realize she is only fooling herself. You and Zeituni are not fooling yourselves. You have found the religion that best suits you. You are diabolic people and I will be very disappointed of myself if I hear you have left Islam. After so many years I have developed a nose for apostates and for devilish people. This ability gives me some degree of pride. I feel bad if I am mistaken. You, Zeituni, Rainbow, and many others whom I have debated during these years will never find the truth because you don’t want the truth. Like the fly that loves dung you love Islam. Nothing can separate you from this mental excrement of a sick mind.
Hassan, the guy who made the goodbye video also attacked me. He was vicious towards me but I knew from the outset that he is a good person and will leave Islam one day. I did not expect it to take so long. As far as you, Zeituni and a few other diabolic souls I have no delusions. You will never leave Islam because your nature is evil and Islam is the right dung for you.
Muslims who are good people leave Islam. Several members of this site and faithfreedom.org are apostates. Most of them never wrote to argue. They simply read what we apostates say and what other Muslims say and decided they belong to us and not the people of hell.
So because I mistakenly said Moses instead of Jews the asininity of Muhammad’s claim that Allah stroke the Jews with lightning and then revived them so they can thank him goes away? Now it makes perfect sense?
How many of his books did he sell?
I sent you the video, but Sina deleted it.
I will try again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMMgiioHx6E
Ali sina said : Okay I made a mistake. Does it change my argument?
If somebody screws interpretation of simple verse which requires no credentiels in Koranic studies to me is good enough to ignore anything that you are trying to make out of this verse .
Exactly where does this good and evil come from Ali Sina?
Your statements are the most contradictory BS I have ever come across. And trust me, I have come across some serious delusional people in my lifetime, when I used to own Care Homes for the Mentally ill. But you my friend, take the biscuit.
You change your views more times than you have hot dinners!
You are the real threat to mankind. People like you need to be put away in solitary confinement away from the public. There is Freedom of Speech and there is sheer Delusions of Grandeur. And you definitely don't belong in the Freedom of Speech category.
Plus, you actually have the audacity to call Mohammed mad?
The pot calling the kettle black is it, Ali Sina?
@Raj the dung worshipper. But according to your Swami Ji Sina's reasoning, God doesn't exist?
Now what?
Stuck again, are we?
One True God! And that coming from an Atheist. If that isn't the biggest pile of crocschit, nothing is.
Saala, aisey baat karta hai, jaisey iss ke baap ka raaj hai. Pata nein ye tatti ke poojaari kahaan kahaan se nikl kar dunya ka jeena haraam kar detein hain. Kuchra logh.
Sina couldn't even get a publisher to publish his piffling little book. No wonder he is handing it out free . . . if you cannot buy the thing – is vanity printed . . . then where are the thousands that have read it?
If its current edition is 6 – he self-published it at 2 . . . and since 4 editions . . . he hasn't been able to find a publisher or publish it himself!
The last publisher points to – felibri.com – which is under maintenance.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/German/felibri/index….
It looks to be Sina's own project.
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Like I said. . . he doesn't have the $50,000 – why hasn't he spent them on the book? Especially how he waxes such lyrics about it.
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Not even the non-Muslims want to print it. . . Worth a thought, no?
"By, the way, exactly how did Wafa's children get to the USA?"
By deception. She was an illegal immigrant. I will search
and send you the video that was narrating all her dark history
and the method in which she entered this country.
@ Ali the Stupid Muslim – he is showing your type of thinking.
Allah is not God. Period.
Mohammad aka Allah aka Satan.
The one true God has nothing to do with your Islamic lies and your Quran.
@Ali Sina. So if you are using our own reasoning and we are following Satan. Then who is God?
Check mate!
@Loki.
Do you actually understand the definition of the Bernoulli Trial?
In simple layman's terms relating to the coin toss, it clearly states that 'Flipping a coin. In this context, obverse ("heads") conventionally denotes success and reverse ("tails") denotes failure. A fair coin has the probability of success 0.5 by definition'.
Unfortunately for you, you cannot use the fair coin analogy in your favour to determine if it is fair, as just like death coming once, you do not have the privilege of conducting a large number of trials in determining a fair coin. I said before, you cannot die, come back, die, come back, die, come back, die and keep doing this in order to determine your probability ratio. We only have one crack at the whip, after which the possible outcome of, there is or there is not, will be laid bare on the table for us. So you see, death is that fair coin, which you fail to grasp.
You have confused yourself from 1 of 2 options, into probable outcomes using quantity in numbers. What we are talking about is quite clearly not the case.
We only die once and therefore, the chance of there being a God or no God on the other side to meet and greet us is 1 of 2. (50/50)
You seriously cannot be this thick?
I did say, you shouldn't dress up your posts to suit your agendas.
You can by all means go to the bank and ask for 100 dollars in denominations of coins, $1, $2, $5, $10, $20 and $50, whilst I will go and ask for one note of $100, because the instructions given by the receiver was to bring one $100 bill.
And for the record, my Maths is bang on, thus not being on the poverty line or working for someone. We are very successful at what we do and Maths is a major ingredient for us, otherwise we'd be bankrupt like Ali Sina!
It seems as though you need to go back and determine the basic values of 1 in 2. After which you should be able to grasp simple arithmetic and it's basic elements in understanding the term 50/50 without arguing for the sake of it.
I told you before, my position is always going to be 50% ahead of yours, no matter what you try to put up as a defence mechanism.
Sometimes, when you win silver or bronze, you must admit defeat and accept someone else has taken gold. In this case, I am that gold medallist!
Accept it and move on.
No one is forcing you to hand over your hard earned dough. Just spend it wisely!
You sound just like your Swami Ji Sina, Gamji.
At least come up with your own argument and produce something original!
You mean like the education you have received where you cannot differentiate between fact and fiction Ali Sina?
Or the self taught Arabic that you have learned in understanding the Quran?
Or your level of maths, where you believe 2+2 equals 7?
0.001 % of Muslims lol. Well I was busy celebrating. so little Muslims care !
Not provoked Vijay. Muslims just treat him in the trashy manner that he is entitled to.
Garbage is always garbage, even if you put it into a diamond encrusted bag!
I could have sworn you was an Indian Hindu, Vikramaditya!
People like you seldom come to this site and FFI.
The usual posters and supporters of Swami Ji Sina are Indian Hindu's!
What you doing here?
This is the beauty here. The way some Muslims behave here. They are provoked by Dr Sina, lose their common sense. Act very clumsily. One should have control on emotion.
"Okay I made a mistake. "
It isn't just about the one mistake . . . and it is your attitude when such mistakes and others are pointed out.
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"Now does this correction make Allah look saner? "
There was nothing insane about it in the first place. An omnipotent God – has the ability to remove someone from earth and bring them back. Simple.
i am an indian. there was a time when i seriously started thinking about islam (in a positive way). i bought a copy of kuran as well but could'nt read more than a page or two due to its complex and jumbled presentation (i guess presentation is same in the original one also). then i started surfing net for finding the gist and true teachings of islam. in the process i found your debate on your site. i was amazed by it. you really floored all the so called scholars of islam so easily and so fundamentally. in the process i found the truth (at least about islam). i have always believed service to man is service to god. and at present age you are one of the best servent of humanity. i see great hope in you for whole mankind.
regards
Okay I made a mistake. Does it change my argument? Allah strikes the Jews with lightning and then brings them back to life so they can be thankful, so it were the Jews and not Moses. Now does this correction make Allah look saner?
You are deceiver and liar . After I caught you with misinterpretation of verse 2:55-56 in which you said this
The Quran 2:55-56 says, Allah stroke Moses with lightening and then revived him so Moses thank Him.
You claimed that it was just an eror in your writing . I guess you mean typing error instead to write Jews you typed Moses instead , which I know it is lie because why you have relative prenoum him written twice followed by Moses . This shows it cannot be typing errors . So you went ahead and changed it in the article in this way
The Quran 2:55-56 says, Allah stroke the Jews with lightening when they disbelieved and then revived him so they thank Him.
You are dumb guy LOL why you still have relative prenoum him written twice to whom does it refer to ? if God strokes Jews which are plural , should be them instead . This shows that you are hypocrite liar and deceiver willing to do anything to mislead people . In stead to admit that you are incompetent to interpret koran you prefered to play deception in your ignorant followers
Wow – the psycho-analysis kills!
@ aminriadh – your frustration shows through
"By raising the awareness we made Dutch Freedom Party to come third."
This had NOTHING to do with either you . . . or Sultan.
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"We stopped the construction of the mega mosque in Ground Zero."
Again . . . this had nothing to do with you.
Also – factually incorrect. . . it wasn't going to be a mosque. . . and it wasn't going to be at ground zero.
Wrong on both counts.
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"We will continue raising awareness until anti Islam governments are elected in all the countries. "
There you go . . . hence why he supports all "racist" parties such as EDL and BNP of UK.
Hence why he is a hate monger . . .
. . . what Sina himself has done is hardly worth mentioning.
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Tis why he took credit for work of others . . . . whilst trying to answer what "he" has done.
"I respect intelligence when I see it. I am afraid I don't see much intelligence in your argument. "How did she pay for it? from selling pizza?" Is this an intelligent argument? Does it worth any consideration? "
Yeah . . . the thing is – you didn't answer the question.
This isn't an argument but a question:
"I know very well that education in the U.S is extremely
expensive. How did she pay for it? from selling pizza? "
You simply made an excuse – so that you don't have to answer.
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" If I am a Muslim.I will declare that proudly,"
This was clear from the begging while you were lying about it and thought we will believe. "
Ah . . . . you do a fair bit of lying and deception don't you. . . this person has said "If". Look how you twisted it.
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Of course it wasn't. Islam cannot be defended and Muslims know it, unless they are really stupid. So all they can do is ad hominem or attack the messenger"
Hang on a minute . . . . this is what YOU DO. . . . I have the proof.
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"She shook the Muslim world to the extent that this guy in the video panicked . . . "
huh? This clearly MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. It was the Muslim world according to you that shook . . . and a single person that panicked.
Talk about not being able to 2+2. . . .
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You mean took one look at the deception . . . and the patronizing and thought . . . he is better off. . . . a close shave.
Phew!
See – this is is the case with your little stories . . . so far NOT ONE SUCH person has been able to verify their stories. This "M.A" for example . . . when it came to some serious questions – did not bother to answer any – and left sharpish.
Now I wonder why that is . . .
A few questions . . . and this person will never answer. . . that is if it was real person at all.
@Raj. How can a dung worshipper like you, claiming to be an Atheist and then claiming to be a dung worshipper even have the audacity to comment or even talk for that matter?
Did I not state to you in the past to stay within your remit and do not talk unless you are spoken to kunjar ki aulaad!
How many times do you have to be fired, to understand you have been dismissed?
With your level of stupidity, you will stand on a podium and whole heartedly shout to the masses, 'it doesn't take half an hour, it takes 30 minutes'!
Go figure, butt swami butt butt, go figure.
@ Ali and Rainbow – You two poor muzzies not getting anything to argue logically about your religion – Unable to defend Islam.
@Rainbow. You are bang on.
I was confirming exactly what Ali Sina and Wafa Sultan have done in order to make some bread. (money)
Of course you do. We said all along you was a charade Ali Sina.
And you've actually confirmed it yourself.
What a plonker!
F'king hell. You not a Hindu Indian, but a Nigerian?
Whatever next?
An Eskimo.
@Rainbow. I doubt it. Honest living and Ali Sina?
It's like comparing apples and oranges.
Especially when bending over in the front of all those men, hey?
Exactly on what basis did she shake the Muslim world Ali Sina?
Unfortunately, the problem it seems for people like you and Wafa, that come from the Middles East/Asia into the Americas, is that you believe that you have to sell your souls in order to achieve the 'American Dream' thus denounce Islam.
Whether you believe it or not, there are other ways of achieving the 'American Dream' and gaining material wealth. It is called 'hard work' with a bit of luck thrown in for good measure, networking, honesty, integrity and being at the right place at the right time.
By, the way, exactly how did Wafa's children get to the USA?
The reason why we ask so much about a person's character, is to determine their authenticity, honesty and reliability. Otherwise, how can someone who lies and deceives with personal malicious agendas be asked to swear an Oath of Truth?
A liar can always be trusted for one thing……….. to lie!
Ms Dr Ali Sina = Golden Rule. 🙂
Did you say ridicule? Oh No, i am just calling you what you are, just to remind you that you are the immediate ancestor of the Homo Erectus. i really sometimes don't get what moves you on, i don't know whether its the fight against Islam or responding to insults that normally by now you should not have time for. But i see, you have a knack for responding to trivial issues. I really don't know why you hardly mention the issue you like raising on the authenticity of the Quran, the crook and crones findings of unburied bag of old 'Quranic text' you hardly mention it! that should be sufficient proof that Quran is authored, why don't you mention it this days, it was a good reference you loved giving some 4 or 5 years ago.
Salam, Sister, the defender of Ummat. You have grabbed an atheist apostate.
Thank you but it is no sacrifice at all. I do this with pleasure and have fun doing it. I can’t see anything better to do. So you can’t say i am sacrificing anything.
Keep deceiving yourself if that makes you feel better. These cowards are afraid. Holland agreed to answer my questions until I told him I am going to publish them. Then he backpedaled, wanted to see other interviews I had and kept making excuses. But of course this narrative makes you feel better. The alternative is too humiliating.
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, when will you ever wake up and realize that natural disasters are by no means accidents of nature. When will you come to the ultimate realization that our planet earth is dying slowly everyday because of the accumulative sowing and reaping effect of the sin problem? Please go and research about sin and death and how our dear planet earth is facing death like we d-d – everyday, facing the grave. You can continue to deceive yourself with Atheism and all kinds of such man made theories or philosophies but the blatant truth is that Atheism and all such theories will die eventually and cease to exist because it's authors were all human beings and none of them can proudly claim that they have overcame death and live throughout eternity. Their man made theories will die together with them and that's the end of Atheism. So, only the One Who is the resurrection and the Life speaks the truth when He said that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God! He is not bound by time and space, personally chose to humble Himself and became like one of us, so that we may have life and life to the fullest!
Rather similar poles repel each others and opposite poles do the reverse.
Allah never even existed except in the perverted mind of Muhammad who used him or it to cast terror in the hearts of his victims. His followers are doing the same today.No sane person should be afraid of a non existent being.
I believe him because I have read and seen the same verses being quoted by muslims to justify their dastardly acts. Nobody has paid me neither have I paid anyone to share this believe. Stop finding excuses to defend the obvious.
Now and only now, I realized why the influential people
like Holland and Shiela ignore your calls…..they are
in a high rank….while your standard is Wafa Sultan.
You beg this and that to talk to you, but none wants
to waste the valuable time, even the Jews who you
defend, they know you are fake.
What was the real motive behind your determination
to talk to Holland? Did you want to switch business?
There is no need to block me……even one minute
is a waste with the hate seller.
Didn't your mother taught something more honest
to make a living from?
Dr Sina, Iam a great admirer of your work. I cannot thank you and others enough for your selfless sacrifice in exposing the greatest threat to the existence of humanity and sanity. Someday the world will come to appreciate your good work. As for the muslims who rant on this blog, one is not surprised to see their desperate attempt to defend evil. I am a Nigerian who has seen this evil called Islam. I have firsthand knowledge.
But why did you select the dense ones
from those people? likes attract likes
I respect intelligence when I see it. I am afraid I don’t see much intelligence in your argument. “How did she pay for it? from selling pizza?” Is this an intelligent argument? Does it worth any consideration?
” If I am a Muslim.I will declare that proudly,”
This was clear from the begging while you were lying about it and thought we will believe.
“The problem with the liar is that he suspects all, and he thinks everybody is like him.”
This is one of the rares truth you’ve said so far.
“The video I recomended was not defending Islam at all…”
Of course it wasn’t. Islam cannot be defended and Muslims know it, unless they are really stupid. So all they can do is ad hominem or attack the messenger. The whole video is a pathetic logical fallacy. Who cares whether Wafa Sultan works as a psychiatrist or in a pizza shop? She shook the Muslim world to the extent that this guy in the video panicked and made that pathetic video to discredit her. He could not refute what she said, but questioned why she was silent for so long or whether she has validated her diploma. Can Muslim become more pathetic than this? Wasn’t it better for him to remain silent than making a total fool of himself and Islam?
He was so coward that he did not want anyone leaving a comment and point out to the ridiculousness of his attempt and hence disabled the comments. That tells you all.
It is the company of people, which effects the intellect.
I know very well that education in the U.S is extremely
expensive. How did she pay for it? from selling pizza?
It is not something new for you to twist fact and never
hesitate for a moment to lie to prove your point. Try
to respect the intelligence of the people you talk to.
All the nonsense is pouring from you, If I am a Muslim.
I will declare that proudly,
The problem with the liar is that he suspects
all, and he thinks everybody is like him.
The video I recomended was not defending Islam at
all………it was pointing at the flaws of your soul mate
and the contradiction in her cheap speech.
There is a long long distance between a liar
and logic.
The Chair/footstool of the God, spreads over earth and Heaven. The God encompasses all. These are few statements , which help for salvation(It is not the paradise but proximity to the God, Realizing that the God only the truth. Let all land be paper and let all water be ink. Even then glory of God cant be written. Once the cosmic truth is realized. To know the truth Prophet PBUH, did not set up any laboratory. He knew truth by seeing light of God within himself in the cave of Hira . Without coming to the highest spiritual level of him at his time. We try to copy him. Only males can copy, what about females ? If there are scientific truths in Holy Kuran, there was a way, which let prophet PBUH, to reach to the truth. Not by reading books.
Hasbi Rabbi Jallalallah. Ma Fi Qalbi Ghair Allah.
As we have Kurds, Arabs, Turks like tribes , still calling themselves as Muslims in area far away from India, in India, there are Ansaris(Tanner), Kuraishis(Butchers),Siddiqi(Weavers), Hawaris(Washer man),Halalkhor(Sweepers),Sheikh(Upper caste converts or from Iran), Sayyad(linage from Prophet PBUH),Pathans(From Afghanistan), Rowther(Seljuk Turks), Marikar(Arabs) list of castes of Muslims in India is very long. The way it is not OK in Islam same is the way in Sanatan Dharma. As per Purana, Demons(Danavas), Deities(Devas), some other tribes like Bodo/Asuras,Nagas, Garudas, Manavas etc are from the various wives of sage Kashyap. Some idiotic left wing "Sikh Missionaries " made fun of Puranas that how can jackal be born from man. Fact is that cobra/Naga or wolf/Virk/Vrik are totems or title to the tribe or their head. In Islam we have terms like Hydar, Ghazanfer, Abu Huriya. incidentally all Sikh carry title of an Animal is Singh/Lion.
“Augustine of Hippo once said that evil is only the absence of good ”
Almost all my life I used to believe that. Not anymore. It is also ironic that Agustin should say such thing since he was a Christian and believed in Satan. I don’t believe neither in Satan nor in God but I believe good and evil both exist.
Now, natural disasters that kill countless people are not evil. They are accidents of nature. By evil I mean what is done intentionally by an intelligent being to harm another person.
Our actions are the outcome of our thinking. Warped thinking, distorted reasoning and selfish people often do evil intentionally. It i not that they are unaware of good. They are inclined to do evil and careless of about their victim. They even enjoy the sensation of power. By destroying another life they fell empowered, almost godlike. You can’t win evil by encompassing it with a lot of love. Evil must be destroyed with force without compassion. I was a pacifist all my life. Not anymore. If a sociopath threatens to destroy the lives of several people, he cannot be subdued by love or by reasoning. A sociopath does not reason like normal people. He must be subdued by a bullet.
Apart from the fact that you don’t know how many years it took her to validate her diploma, validating a psychiatric diploma from Damascus is not immediate. Diplomas from third world countries are worthless here. One has to go back to university and take some courses and pass exams. This may take two, three or more years, depending on the diploma and your proficiency in English.
All this nonsense talk is because you Muslims have miserably failed to defend Islam logically. Otherwise who care whether Wafa is a doctor or not. It is her message that counts. And if she is not, if she is works in a pizza shop, then it is quite humiliating for the Muslim world for her to destroy their scholars.
A "Legal" immigrant can validate his/her diploma in a short
time, and does not need six years, if the diploma is
ligitimate.
Been thinking about what you say, to learn from it.
If you find unverifiable what I claim of myself and judge me deceptive, I can only respond that I wish to be held accountable for what I say I am in favor of.
Augustine of Hippo once said that evil is only the absence of good and that it is better to fight for what you favor then it is to fight against what you hate. Therefore I endeavor to find out what I am in favor of. This is also where I differ a lot from Ali Sina, I admit.
If I am in favor of a set of values-belief centering around democracy, freedom, human rights, then I can call myself, for now, a democratic citizen. And Democratic Citizens can perceive both Muslims and Ex-Muslims, like Ali Sina as potential allies. And it seems the Ex-Muslims are better allies. Good reasons can be given to suggest "Democratic citizens and Ex-Muslims are natural allies against at least a part of the Muslims. The Muslims that favor some kind of totalitarian states and laws over a full set of democratic beliefs, values and laws.
Ali Sina and I may have much in common about freedom of speech. And what you object to constantly as his "hate-mongering" is perfectly OK with people like me, provided that it is aired on Newspapers, TV, Internet, Conferences and not on the streets or workplaces. And provided it does not incite to violence. But it may incite to defend againts violence.
About allying with Hitler; well, the Western powers that fought him, DID ally with the almost equally dreadful Stalin.
When I started writing against Islam more than 95% of people were against what I wrote or they did not give a damn. Today that number is roughly 60%. In another decade it may be 40%. The other 60% will be supportive of our message.
Standing against the current and then changing it is not a little victory.
All immigrants work in menials works when they come to the west until they validate their diploma. I worked as interpreter for the immigration Canada and for courts. Pay was not good and I had to drive long distances and half of what i earned went to parking and gas. But it was work.
Is it to this limit that your intellect is limited to the degree that
it is unable to imagine that the civilized non-muslims are
against the attitude of this site?
When did she succeed to validate her degree?
Apparently after her raid on Islam, otherwise she will not be
obligated to work in a gas station and pizza shop all those years.
Since you ridiculed me for being a homosapience, I assume you are not one. The other humanoid species is Neandertal. If you are neither then what are you? Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Orangutan? Introduce yourself please.
This only highlights the underlying problem. Muslims don’t educate themselves and are basically ignorant of the basic scientific facts.
if you think Neanderthal use computers may be i am one
My dear Sina, you completely missed the point.
"You'll be surprised what some people will do for money and to come out of poverty. They'll sell their souls and family members, let alone their chattels?
Exactly what you and Wafa Sultan have done Ali Sina! '
Ali, the Muslim, was not questioning, he was confirming what you
are. Notice the exclamation mark at the end of the sentence.
@ Ali the Muslim: correct me if I am wrong.
Thank for recognizing that you are dealing with a Homosapience. Are you a Neandertal?
I never was saying i want to debunk your arguments…the ones you are so obsessed with!
If you find the Quran to be idiotic by your reasoning, based on your reasoning, trow the Quran away. if your reason is not corrupted with bigots and prejudice and hatred! you sure should.
“You say there is no Hell, no Satan, no God on the one hand, and then on the other hand you say, we Muslims worship the false God, there IS a Hell,”
I am using your own reasoning to prove to you that you go to hell. You believe in God, Satan and Hell. So by your own reasoning you will go to hell because you have turned against God and follow Satan.
“Exactly what you and Wafa Sultan have done Ali Sina! ”
We have raised the awareness. This is what has been our intention and goal. We have no other agenda beyond this.
By raising the awareness we made Dutch Freedom Party to come third. We stopped the construction of the mega mosque in Ground Zero. We will continue raising awareness until anti Islam governments are elected in all the countries.
Not so. She and her husband worked hard. Starting from working in gas station and pizza shop she validated her degrees and set up her own clinic. They built from scratch. Bought a house and sent their children to university. When she courageously humiliated the entire Muslim world she had to go in hiding. They rented their house and moved to an apartment. No one pays her any money. There is no money for apostates. It is the con artists that promote the “reforming Islam” charade are the ones that get all the grants. There are no grants for us. None.
Well I look too much like my father to be a bastard. Now do you have any rational arguments to disprove my claims or is this all you can say?
“God gave us intellect to figure out things ourselves”
What if we use our intellect and find out the Quran is idiotic? Then what shall we do? Shall we reject the Quran or our intellect?
The very fact is that the story is not seen as it is presented on the “world” media, i am just giving people another side of the whole story, i am not saying anything is wrong, Have i said that you pathetic paranoid homo-sapiens just giving people a link and they can run conclusions themselves………you try to distract the readers from making their own assumptions and conclusions. You are pathetic
“The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability.”
Why should this be the world’s major source of instability? What is so special about it that sets it apart from any other conflict?
Another side of the whole story; http://ifamericansknew.org/
The Quran does not say it provides every information for you, God gave us intellect to figure out things ourselves, and for certain issues he Gave in the Quran, issue he know men would never be just about. He said the Quran contains all we need for salvation. Not everything or every information. So the questions you are asking is not even close to what is being discussed. I hate the sharia ideology as it is now, i will do what i can to fight in in all truth, i will not behave like maost of you here who fight hatred with hatred. You end up with ashes!
Soon India may not exist, Moghulistan with Islamic rule, will be there. Infidels will be outnumbered in India. Democracy will be removed. All pagan/Hindu shrines will be changed. If we break the name Amin Riadh, Raidh is the capital of Saudi Arabia. We have great supporter of Islam in India, like Mr Digvijay Singh, Mr Rahul Gandhi, Mr Kapil Sibbal to name the few.
Caste system gone away yet? Isn't that an integral part of Hinduism?
Aminriadh and dremaniEdam, your seats are booked for heaven. I dont know weather you will win or be martyred in this cyber Jihad. Anyway can we have cyber hell or cyber paradise. Virtual world ? I question a lot, Hindus, Christians etc avoid talking to me. Just thinking freely till Sharia/Islamic law bans my free thinking, i want to know on this issue. Say Islam's views on star wars, cyber wars, aliens, recycling of human body component from one to another to name the fews.
if i say you musalmaan and if i say you muslim..then is your religion gonna change…so faith must be same..doesnt matter what you call that religion
come to hinduism..religion of peace,yoga ,prosperity,true realization of truth and false ,love and heaven.
All "Sahih" means is that the chain of narration is correct.
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"which is the most authentic hadith"
If a Hadith is declared Sahih – it is regardless of the book.
Sahih of any other book is not less or more Sahih than Bukhari.
Bukhari as a whole – in popular opinion – is considered Sahih . . . many scholars consider that to be Muslim.
According to the Sahi bukhari which is the most authentic hadith, the age of Ayesha was six when she married the prophet, she also had a doll with her when he took her home.Sahih Bukhari Volume 7 Book62 number 64.
Why are human beings so obsessed with religions when there is no benefits at all?There are no mentioned of dinosaurs in any scriptures and future human inventions too are not there too,
like radios,tvs,airplanes,guns,bombs,nuclear,computers,rockets etc,etc.It is because all religions are created by human and not god.Men created god.Of all the religions that human created,Islam is the worse of the worse.
"Why is it so important. To me it does not matter at all."
Why should your personal opinion have any bearings?
"I have elaborated on and answered all these questions in my book. There is no point repeating. "
No you haven't. Else do point out – where in your book. It will be easy for me to check.
As I pointed out before – you haven't Hence they remain your "bogus claims"
"Wafa Sultan earns her living as a psychiatrist."
I severely doubt she practices now.
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"Muhammad earned his living by raiding and looting people. Al his wealth was stolen and most of his victims from people whom he killed."
And what wealth did he ever have? None.
"This shows only the desperation of the Muslims. It is nothing but adhominem and attacks at Wafa. None of her views is refuted. "
Yeah, yeah . . . and you start bleating again . . . look at your own behaviour and oh . . . ad-hominems.
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"None of her views is refuted."
Of course they are . . . that is obvious . . . this is the same lie you maintain about your own self.
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"Wafa has cast terror in the hearts of the Muslims."
The same type of claim – that you make about your own self. . . but this is as baseless as your others.
Which Muslims? Ha ha ha . . . the thing is why would a rabid and bitter woman like that cast terror?
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"She humiliated the big Muslim scholars and that is why we see this desperate attempt to discredit her. "
Surely you aren't THAT naive. Do you know the kudos . . . EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE scholars would have taken away . . . and their admiring followers? They'd hvae enjoyed their piece . . . not a single person on either side would be affected. People NEVER are.
Ha ha ha ha . . . I know your grasp on reality is weak . . . but brazen stupidity such as this. . .
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"Wafa was named as one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2005 by New York Times. "
And . . . why does that make any difference?
VIDENCE #3: Surat al-Qamar (The Moon)
According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years
before hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported
to have said: "I was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)" when Surah Al-Qamar was
revealed (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu'l-tafsir, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa'atu Maw'iduhum
wa'l-sa'atu adha' wa amarr).
Chapter 54 of the Quran was revealed eight years before hijrah (The Bounteous
Koran, M.M. Khatib, 1985), indicating that it was revealed in 614 CE. If Ayesha
started living with the Prophet at the age of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a
newborn infant (sibyah in Arabic) at the time that Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon)
was revealed. According to the above tradition, Ayesha was actually a young
girl, not an infant in the year of revelation of Al-Qamar. Jariyah means young
playful girl (Lane's Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a jariyah not a
sibyah (infant), must be somewhere between 6-13 years old at the time of
revelation of Al-Qamar, and therefore must have been 14-21 years at the time
she married the Prophet.
CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the
age of nine…..to be continued
EVIDENCE #3: The Battles of Badr and Uhud
A narrative regarding Ayesha's participation in Badr is given in the hadith of
Muslim, (Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Bab karahiyati'l-isti'anah fi'l-ghazwi bikafir).
Ayesha, while narrating on the journey to Badr and one of the important events
that took place in that journey, says: "when we reached Shajarah". Obviously,
Ayesha was with the group travelling towards Badr. A narrative regarding
Ayesha's participation in the Battle of Uhud is given in Bukhari (Kitabu'l-jihad
wa'l-siyar, Bab Ghazwi'l-nisa' wa qitalihinna ma'a'lrijal): "Anas reports that on
the day of Uhud, people could not stand their ground around the Prophet. [On
that day,] I saw Ayesha and Umm-i-Sulaim, they had pulled their dress up from
their feet [to avoid any hindrance in their movement]." Again, this indicates that
Ayesha was present in the Battles of Uhud and Badr.
It is narrated in Bukhari (Kitabu'l-maghazi, Bab Ghazwati'l-khandaq wa hiya'lahza'b):
"Ibn 'Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in
Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I
was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation."
Based on the above narratives, (a) the children below 15 years were sent back
and were not allowed to participate in the Battle of Uhud, and (b) Ayesha
participated in the Battles of Badr and Uhud
CONCLUSION: Ayesha's participation in the Battles of Badr and Uhud clearly
indicates that she was not nine years old but at least 15 years old. After all,
women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a
burden on them. This account is another contradiction regarding Ayesha's age.
EVIDENCE #2: Ayesha's Age in relation to Asma's Age
According to Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd: "Asma was 10 years older than
Ayesha (Siyar A'la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu'assasatu'lrisalah,
Beirut, 1992).
According to Ibn Kathir: "She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by 10
years" (Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-'arabi,
Al-jizah, 1933).
According to Ibn Kathir: "She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year
[73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died.
According to other narratives, she died not after five days but 10 or 20, or a few
days over 20, or 100 days later. The most well known narrative is that of 100
days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old." (Al-Bidayah wa'lnihayah,
Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dar al-fikr al-'arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)
According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: "She [Asma] lived a hundred years and
died in 73 or 74 AH." (Taqribu'l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, p. 654, Arabic,
Bab fi'l-nisa', al-harfu'l-alif, Lucknow).
According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10
years older than Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have
been 27 or 28 years-old at the time of the hijrah.
If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been
17 or 18 years-old. Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra,
she started to cohabit with the Prophet between at either 19 to 20 years of age.
Based on Hajar, Ibn Kathir, and Abda'l-Rahman ibn Abi Zanna'd, Ayesha's age at
the time she began living with the Prophet would be 19 or 20. In Evidence # 3,
Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha was 12 years-old and in Evidence #4 he
contradicts himself with a 17 or 18-year-old Ayesha. What is the correct age,
twelve or eighteen?
Ali sina, you are a BASTARD, Yes bastard!!!! i posted a study from an article that used the same hearsay, to proof logically that Aishar was not 6, or 9 but rather 15 or 18, you have not refuted it, neither have you acknowledged it, yet you still use them in your arguments. For some time now i have not been getting notifications in my inbox anymore, i know a emeber of yours would also say he also has not been getting but i suspect foul play from your page.
I will send you the arguement again and please rationally tell me what you think;
EVIDENCE # 1: The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Fatima
According to Ibn Hajar, "Fatima was born at the time the Ka'bah was rebuilt,
when the Prophet was 35 years old… she was five years older than Ayesha" (Alisabah
fi tamyizi'l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, p. 377, Maktabatu'l-
Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978).
If Ibn Hajar's statement is factual, Ayesha was born when the Prophet was 40
years old. If Ayesha was married to the Prophet when he was 52 years old,
Ayesha's age at marriage would be 12 years.
CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar, Tabari an Ibn Hisham and Ibn Hambal contradict
each other. So, the marriage of Ayesha at seven years of age is a myth.
Hell is here and heaven too is here. Depends on our action and our perspectives. It is in our hands to create a hell or heaven here on the earth.
Since you know Hindi, I will write a couple of lines by Kavi Pradeep :-
Koi lakh kare chaturai karma ka lekh meete na re bhai.
We create our own Heaven and our own Hell.
Start believing in humanity and do good without expecting anything in return. Good will come back to you and that too multiplied many times.
God is everywhere. See God in everything. See God in the poorest of the poor. See God among the sick.
You need not subscribe to a religion. You need not go to a temple or church or mosque. God is within us and easily accessible for the person who is simple, truthful and helpful.
Still if you want to believe only in the book and the iron throne far far above – so be it.
But she was living hand to mouth, barely making ends meet in the USA until she took the anti Islam route. Once this route had been taken, her financial troubles are of the past, never to return.
You'll be surprised what some people will do for money and to come out of poverty. They'll sell their souls and family members, let alone their chattels?
Exactly what you and Wafa Sultan have done Ali Sina!
It's called milking the gravy train for all it's worth.
But there is no God Ali Sina!
You say there is no Hell, no Satan, no God on the one hand, and then on the other hand you say, we Muslims worship the false God, there IS a Hell, there IS a Satan and we will burn in Hell for worshipping the false God?
Is it really that difficult for you to make up your mind?
Whether we believe in a false God or no God, exactly what has it got to do with you?
You cannot even put a tangible argument on the table and say, 'listen guys, as far as my research goes which is proven without a shadow of a doubt, there is no God, so leave Islam and come to Atheism, or you guys are following the wrong God, so leave Islam and follow the right God which is ABC'.
However, you being an avowed Atheist, you must the hold he former position of there being no God. You cannot even comment on a right or wrong God as your belief system disallows you to enter that arena! Horrible, I know.
If I believe in a God, then by which face can I dare say to Believers, by the way guys, there is NO God, even though I believe in God?
This does not make any logical sense in any way, shape or form and makes me hypocrite of the first order. (Just like what you are)
And this is your position. You are indecisive and hypocritical and cannot stick to your position.
In simple layman's terms, do you believe there is a God? Yes or No?
I know that you are well- educated even though I do not believe that you have a degree.
You are supporting that woman just because you are in the same line of business,
but I am certain that inwardly you know well that she is not knowledgable….have you
listened to her speaking in English? when that man asked: what she was doing during
those 16 years, he meant what did she learn and what did she achieved. I did not notice at all that he was worrying or in panic. It seems that you are seeing things.
Any one with a moderate education can sense how ignorant and a bad actress that
woman is when he hears her talking, and watching her artificial sorrows and
crocodile tears. It is just impossible that you did not notice that.
In Shia and Sufis things are different then say hardcore Sunnis and Salafis. Yes , many people, during Salat/Prayer, will be not thinking for Allah. May see back of female Imam and think of lust. Why Islam should be blamed for the lust of these guys ?
Mr Sina has met with a Lady, who claimed to be convert to Christianity from Islam, but in fact she was a doing deception for Islam. Person on wrong side does what all, he or she could do to defend wrong.
@ Vijay
Yes, she can….actually there is a female Imam in London. Some people agree with
it, and some oppose it. I personally think it is improper for a woman to lead men
in prayers, specially the Islamic prayer.
You are defending her with passion…….
I understand…….birds of a feather flock together.
Neither she has a degree nor you, if you are really
a Dr. you wouldn't spend all your time behind your computer
responding to your readers, because you would be very busy
in doing something more productive and meaningfull than
this pathatic job you are devoting your time and life to.
Although I am not very impressed by Islam, but all the signs
indicate that it is getting more and more powerfull…..whether
I like it or not, and whether you like it or not, it will be the #1
religion of this world. Muslims might be agressive, but they
are brave with good hearts. You find only the cowards dripping
with hate and poison.
@ Ali Sina –
// Wafa Sultan earns her living as a psychiatrist. She has rented out her house and lives in an apartment because of the threats to her life.
Muhammad earned his living by raiding and looting people. Al his wealth was stolen and most of his victims from people whom he killed. That is okay in your opinion but exposing that criminal is prostitution. I know Islam damages human brain but I am really surprised of the extent of this damage. //
Sina even if you are an atheist, you will agree that there are Universal laws operating. Take for example, the Golden Rule. Its another variant is what goes around, comes around.
Sina; yourself, Wafa Sultan, etc. who are in the forefront of this fight against the evil ideology of Islam – are selfless. I know.
These selfless fights, even taking something from your own pockets for funding your cause. The amount of time you put in. In economics, it is called opportunity cost -where the resource to be better employed alternatively – the next best. THE TIME you put in.
It is the biggest investment by you. This investment to see humanity freed from this evil bondage. Your are not expecting any monetary benefits/dividends. You are fighting a cause to free humanity.
Ali Sina, understand that, the Universal Laws deliver the fruits of any selfless acts. These are valued more and stand in priority. Whereas, the Muslim politicians/leaders/mullahs pocket half the zakat money for themselves and pass on the other half for terror funding.
Like the story where Jesus valued the two cents offerings of the widow more than the rich people's offerings. IT WAS ALL SHE HAD.
Such selfless acts for increasing peace in the world and removing the evil, definitely pay dividend.
These Islamists will try to see how much you are gaining from this crusade. They know to measure everything in money only.
I am sure, your fruits will be delivered earliest.
Educating the Muslims and Patience is the name of the game and you are blessed with these qualities.
May God give success to this noble cause of yours.
This is the same stupid man and the same stupid video that I watched and responded to. Your belief about yourself being impartial is not important. The proof of the pudding is in eating it. I already responded to what this idiot Muslim says. I know Wafa and I don’t need the opinion of Muslims about her to form my opinion of her.
You know very well that I am not by the side of Islam or any other
concept, but I always like the truth to be revealed. You look at the
truth from one angle only, and I look at the truth from all angles.
Again, watch this video and let me know what you think of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmeusdh7BE&fe…
This shows only the desperation of the Muslims. It is nothing but adhominem and attacks at Wafa. None of her views is refuted.
Wafa Sultan witnessed the assassination of her teacher in 1979. Of course the university and every other Muslim will deny this to discredit her. However, assuming this assassination did not take place, is this something out of ordinary in Muslim countries? Don’t Muslims kill any person who speaks slightly against them? So why should we doubt Wafa’s claim of actually seeing one such assassinations when they are regular occurrences in Islamic countries?
This event shook Wafa, but as she wrote to me, it were my articles that made here finally join the dots and realize what she had witnessed was the consequence of Muhammad’s teachings. This Muslim claims why Wafa remained silent until 2005? There you have the answer. I was the catalyst. Until 1994 not even I knew the things I know. I started writing on the Internet in 1998 and Wafa started reading them sometimes after 2000. She then started her own blog in Arabic and that is why she was invited to Aljazeera. She was active since 2000 and became famous in 2005.
This man says Wafa has no intellectual importance. In that case what is the big worry? Why is he in such a panic, making video attacking someone unimportant? Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Wafa has cast terror in the hearts of the Muslims. She humiliated the big Muslim scholars and that is why we see this desperate attempt to discredit her. But that is futile. Wafa was named as one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2005 by New York Times.
Wafa Sultan earns her living as a psychiatrist. She has rented out her house and lives in an apartment because of the threats to her life.
Muhammad earned his living by raiding and looting people. Al his wealth was stolen and most of his victims from people whom he killed. That is okay in your opinion but exposing that criminal is prostitution. I know Islam damages human brain but I am really surprised of the extent of this damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmeusdh7BE&fe…
@ Ali Sina,
Please watch the video above, it is subtitled in English. This
person is not discussing religion in any way, he is just revealing
the reality of Wafa Sultan, the pizza seller.
Wafa Sultan is just a leech who is trying to make a living by cursing Islam.
This is the most disgraceful profession, it is even worse than prostitution.
I don’t believe in Hell but you do. So according to your own logic, you will go to hell for believing in a false God.
Not at you aminriadh. Was a sweeping statement, but more in jest.
How about, you can take the Indian out the country, but not the country out the Indian. Better.
LOL.
There is no Hell and no Satan Ali Sina. You said so yourself.
Therefore, we have no worries in the world.
Once again, Eid Mubarak.
Hell and Satan from Ali Sina. Now that's a joke if ever I heard one.
Fine . . . so where do I send you the er errors . . . inconsistencies, objection and any answer I do not find.
For example. . .
"All his knowledge is superficial and often wrong."
"When he alludes the Biblical stories he often confuses events and names. "
I don't see answers for these. . . in the 2nd edition book I have.
Especially given how selective you tend to become with anything a bit too challenging.
I have elaborated on and answered all these questions in my book. There is no point repeating.
"What makes you believe Muhammad was aware of anything?"
huh? Try reading comments properly. . . . I have answered that. . . . else why bother to reply?
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"What makes you believe Muhammad was aware of anything?"
Smart illiterates . . . that were aware of the science, philosophy and other religions – and were effectively able to copy it. . . .
this is deducible form you articles & book.
Also from the back-tracking that then you have to do.
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" It is clear that his knowledge was second hand and mot directly acquired by reading book."
Why is it clear. . . . how so? And what book?
What you talking about . . . elaborate
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"He learned things by listening to the sermons of priests, when he was a young man."
Evidence?
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"Muhammad was a loner. he did not have friends and did not take part in the sports of others."
To some extent . . . but he was a competent horse-rider . . . speaker. . . . swimmer. . . wrestler and could handle a sword. Due to his family – he was well known.
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"All his knowledge is superficial and often wrong."
See – you make up things as you go along . . . in other places you have said differently.
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"When he alludes the Biblical stories he often confuses events and names. "
How do you know he alludes to it? And what events did he get wrong . . .
what confusions?
In some instances when it suits you – you allude towards deceptive manipulations – and sometimes its illiteracy and getting stuff wrong.
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Everything you have said is mere claims, inconsistent with what you claim, and completely baseless.
Rather than running away (or ignoring). . . or start to accuse me off all sorts . . . why not put some colour to those claims.
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Which side one is . . . Prophet Muhammad wasn't illiterate.
What makes you believe Muhammad was aware of anything? He did not know anything more than a smart illiterate man of his time. It is clear that his knowledge was second hand and mot directly acquired by reading book. He learned things by listening to the sermons of priests, when he was a young man. Muhammad was a loner. he did not have friends and did not take part in the sports of others. He lived in his own mind and was attracted to religious subjects. All his knowledge is superficial and often wrong. When he alludes the Biblical stories he often confuses events and names.
"Philip Kindred "
But this goes against you – Kindred effects were from Drugs – and that is quiet common – irrespective of any illness.
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"has compiled a list of prominent people in history who possibly suffered from TLE"
Right . . . possibly – meaning doesn't really know.
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"This list comprises philosophers, writers, world leaders, religious figures, painters, poets, composers, actors, and other celebrities. "
And this doesn't go against you . . . . ?
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"Muhammad’s problem was his utter ignorance and his narcissism."
Utter ignorance from what? Dearie . . . by all your other articles i can easily prove that Prophet Muhammad was in fact – VERY AWARE OF ALL LOCAL RELIGIONS, SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY.
In fact he must have been highly competent. . . .
You don't think things through . . . do you.
Over the Holy Quran – Any day Ali Sina. . . . I have said that before.
[email protected]
" No Muslims has ever refuted the charges. "
I have . . . and I can prove it. And I can prove you DISHONESTY and utter disregard of logic, truth and sense. So what happened to you there then?
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" Instead they bring excuses that I don't have $50,000 to pay, or I will never accept it if they prove me wrong, or the real scholars don't bother to answer. "
It is HARDLY an excuse . . . It is a inferrable that you do not have 50,000 – else why couldn't you afford to publish that book better? Then one that you claim that has such MONUMENTAL effects . . . it is badly written, typeset, designed . . . If you had such money – it is reasonable to assume – you would have marketed that cherished book of yours . . . and been able to to afford a researcher.
Also this goes against your statements . . . regarding your own personal wealth.
I also recounted this at your analysis of Qurayish – that they had no intention of giving prophet Muhammad anything . . . hence – on tit for tat . . . this too is mere rhetoric.
Such challenges are real common . . . net is littered with them.
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"They have more important things to do than saving Islam from embarrassment and defeat."
Ha ha ha – how EGOTISTICAL as usual . . . you live the pits – no one really knows you. You are desperate for the fame that others have . . . but you so severaly lack.
There are some FINE MINDS that have gone up against Islam. Some truly brilliant Scholars . . . hardly one iota of damage has been done to Islam . . . .
So who are you? You who is reduced to copy fallacious materials from likes of answer-islam.
Simply look at how badly you do in comments sections . . .
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" If you could refute these charges you would not care about the money, or whether I accept or not. "
But dearie . . . . I can. It is YOU who refuses to play ball. The only reason you want to have "debates" with big names is to acquire legitimacy that you lack.
The same reason . . . Dawkins pointed out . . . Harun Yahya wants a debate.
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"There have been many responses from Muslims. I have published them all. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm None one then have proven me wrong. None of them reprinted our debates in their sites. "
Isn't that a lie. . . Nadir Ahmed . . . and the trouble with your PC?
The American science fiction writer Philip Kindred Dick (1928-1982), Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard
Steven C. Schechter, M.D., professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School and author of several books on epilepsy, has compiled a list of prominent people in history who possibly suffered from TLE. This list comprises philosophers, writers, world leaders, religious figures, painters, poets, composers, actors, and other celebrities.
Muhammad’s ignorance was not caused by his TLE. TLE is often called the disease of ingenuity and creativity. It does not make you stupid. It makes you creative and imaginative. If you are not stupid, you can distinguish between reality and imagination. Muhammad’s problem was his utter ignorance and his narcissism. TLE only made him more delusional.
" The fact that Muslim clerics can never agree on anything and always have differing views on everything does not make the stupid arguments of the Quran right. It just goes to prove that this book is far from clear and easy to understand as it repeatedly claims. A book of guidance should not be interpreted in so many ways or it ceases to be a book of guidance. "
No it doesn't – 1,000 people can see the same clear sunset – but all describe it differently. You won't say the sunset wasn't clear would you. . . .
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"It just makes no sense that a woman should not be lawful to her husband because he divorced her three times and should marry another man and go to bed to her hoping that he would divorce her so she could become lawful to her original husband and go back taking care of their children. "
Why does a woman HAVE to return to the husband that did NOT want her to such an extreme . . . extent – that he divorced her so completely?
And a woman DOES NOT HAVE TO RETURN TO FORMER HUSBAND TO TAKE CARE OF HER CHILDREN.
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"Anyone who does not see this as an utterly asinine law has to check his or her brain. We don’t need any other argument to show Muhammad was a lunatic nuts than this verse. "
Yet you haven't shown this law to be "asinine" – you have merely claimed it often that is all.
And given your level of hate . . . and how badly thought out your arguments are . . . it is no surprise this is all you would come up with.
"Why am I not surprised in the least. You can take the Indian out country, but you can't take the sexist out the Indian: "
Oi – Watch it! I am Indian too. Why are you calling me "sexist" 🙁
" "Whole X-Men series is more entertaining than Hinduism !" "
Are we talking Cartoons or The Movies? Mind you both ARE more interesting than Hinduism.
"If religion can be compared to man’s clothing, Hinduism and to some extent Christianity are made of spandex. They can grow as you grow. Islam is made of iron. You don’t have much room to grow in an iron clothe. It suffocates you. It crushes your ribs and bones. "
Idiotic example to give. . .
As people used to to turn iron into armour for protection. Still do.
"Any sane person can see the Quran is a book of nonsense …."
Yet this is an illogical argument – in itself.
"and only an ignoramus suffering from temporal lobe epilepsy would write a book like that."
And how many such people have wrote such books?
I am insane, may be Satan Iblis took my control. Mensuration Women may not be deemed clean? Trying to show world that Islam is better then others via initiatives may be deemed as Innovations/bidah. If person gives wrong suggestion, Very civilized way to guide to straight path? Islam has women prophet Hazrat Mariyam AS or not ?
"What I am about, why I do and say what I do and say is something positive. it is about a comprehensive set of beliefs and values about democracy and human rights."
That is just what you claim. As it is unverifiable – pretty meaningless. There are instances when "blowing you own trumpet" work. But this aint one of them
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"I am different from Ali Sina, but I recognize that it is better to ally oneself to bigger groups who are partly in alignment with me against the more "totalitarian and dangerous" people than it is to be "a lone wolf"."
Illogical . . . for example – what would you say those who allied with Hitler – on those basis?
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"So I rather try to ally myself to Ali Sina than those who are against him. Hence I try to defend him against the other Ali and you. I certainly realise that it is not certain whether it will work or not. But I know why I am in this debate and it comes from my heart."
Pitiful reasons. . . hence you condemn me – but I am far far closer to you in ideology than Sina actually is.
That doesn't make sense. . . does it?
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"My reluctance? Comes only from knowing my limitations on some topics, but I am passionate to exchange our views."
No you are not . . . you have been deceptive many times. You say one thing . . . then complete opposite the next
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"And if possible to help resolve our controversies in the very long run, during the 21st century and so help mankind achieve more peace and harmony."
By aligning with a hate-monger? Someone who doesn't believe in democracy the same way you do?
Those who have learned a few fallacies . . . hardly know what Logic is.
Any day Sina. . . .
How nonsensical Vijay!
As I have pointed out previously . . . Sina himself doesn't understand what he is saying.
If notice at the bottom – he gives references of answer-islam.
This is where OVERWHELMING of his stuff comes from.
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Seven layers – is neither wrong – and it is
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Hell of lot of that article is BS
For example:
"The number seven was so engrained in the mind of the ancient man that you can find it everywhere."
Yes . . . but you can do this with absolutely ANY NUMBER. Number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, . . and find hundreds of examples.
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"The pagan concept of the seven layer of Heaven crept into Judaism and the number seven can be found in Judaism more than anywhere else. Why? Because Midrash teaches, there are seven layers of Heaven, obviously an influence of Paganism in Judaism."
This is BS. Where is this pagan 7-heaven – Sina doesn't reference it.
"obviously an influence of Paganism in Judaism."
This is logically fallacious . . . why is it obviously? Even amateur historians will laugh you to smithereens if you claimed this. Historical links are proven – not given the "obvious" whitewash.
This simply means Sina doesn't know what he is talk about.
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"It says that God has not just created one sky — i.e., one universe, but seven such skies — or seven universes."
Here is another deception . . . just look at how blurs the line between heaven to mean universe. What reason for this? None.
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"As one can see the real scholars of Islam are unable to explain the meaning of the seven heavens mentioned in the Quran and try to give esoteric significance to it. "
Yet . . . Maududi was at least honest! He did not know. Yet one Maududi doesn't equal to "real scholars of Islam"
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"It is interesting to note that both Muhammad and Ali raided and killed innocent people, or exiled them and usurped their lands unjustly. Fadak was a beautiful village with many gardens that Muhammad usurped from the Jews of Khaibar after annihilating them and gave it to his daughter Fatima the wife of Ali. I am surprised Dante did not see Fadak around the neck of Muhammad and Ali when he saw them in Hell. Isn’t this another proof that even their description of Hell was wrong?"
See . . . Sina creeps such nonsense and hate in. . . this isn't a logical and unbiased article stripping away irrationality of Islamic beliefs . . . but a display of Sina's hate-mongering.
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It doesn't take long to strip away Sina nonsense.. . . .
1. His themes are ALWAYS the ones commonly found on internet.
2. He copies and pastes many – without verifying – and when he is caught out . . . he will simply not accept he is wrong.
3. he has no understanding of Science – for example he will post up unscientific material from people whose grasp of Science is same as his.
4. His grasp of logic is less than desirable – given the number of logically fallacious arguments.
5. His knowledge of Islam is not comprehensive – given the number of basic mistakes.
6. His "articles" lack much work and proper sourcing of evidence. As I have pointed out – either the whole thing is a copy or is based on fallacious material in the 1st place.
Pointing this out . . . tends to make no difference.
That is why he is nothing more than a hatemonger.
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I can go on and on . . . . but such lengths are particular waste of time. Sina – is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN – interested in an HONEST debate.
I have even got this from numerous of his 'regular' supporters to reluctantly admit – Bill, demsci, knowTheEnemy.
"Wafa Sultan has faced bigger mullahs and has humiliated them all."
Obviously – you are bound and will say that. However it doesn't make it true.
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"Ask Aljazeera to invite this woman and Wafa"
Again meaningless request – just like you can ask Fox to invite whoever you like . . . so can others' here do that to Al-Jazeera.
I am no one. You have the licence of heaven. You will know me on the last day of judgement. Anyway greeting for Eid Ul Fitr.
Wafa Sultan has faced bigger mullahs and has humiliated them all. Ask Aljazeera to invite this woman and Wafa, or at least call this woman and ask her to invite Wafa in her show provided it is live.
Creator of seven heavens? Which seven heavens? There are no seven heavens? See this: http://alisina.org/layers-of-heaven
There is no mystery about what the book actually says. It proves that Muhammad was a mentally sick man and the founder of a cult. To see the proof you have to read the book.
These are excuses. No Muslims has ever refuted the charges. Instead they bring excuses that I don’t have $50,000 to pay, or I will never accept it if they prove me wrong, or the real scholars don’t bother to answer. They have more important things to do than saving Islam from embarrassment and defeat. If you could refute these charges you would not care about the money, or whether I accept or not. There have been many responses from Muslims. I have published them all. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm None one then have proven me wrong. None of them reprinted our debates in their sites.
"Then Muslim world will have a good example."
Why is that your suggestions have to followed? Who F* are you?
Can a women be an Imam of mosque ? She can take leave during mensuration. Or she can still have duty while having safety pad. Holy Mecca complex can start it. Then Muslim world will have a good example. Two brotherly suggestions. I can be wrong also.
Muslim women defending Islam is great. Why not the next Caliph of Islam be a women? It will silence all the critics.
Here is another youtube video translated to you about wafa Sultan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSlOEZcSnfI&fe…
To the backward guy who put youtube video about wafaa Sultan talking about Islam i challenge you to see this video and understand what this muslim woman is saying answering to wafaa.
Wafaa can’t face this muslim woman because she knows she will destroy her completely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY46X6idKiU&fe…
My soul is brightened by a light in my heart
When I praise God of all mankind
and my soul is cheered up
and the tears were flowing.
Oh God! Guide my heart to reason.
In the tranquility of the night,
I pray during worship
while the darkness is all around me.
Oh Kind !
Oh most Merciful !
Oh most forbearing !
Oh Kind ! Your gifts are endless
Oh Creator of the seven heavens
Guide my heart .
Here I am God asking for forgiveness.
That is why Sina repeatedly does not speak about what the book actually says . . . but he is desperate for people to read it.
It is full of BS. . . errors and lies.
He hasn't got $50,000 – neither is he in any circumstance ever going to accept a loss. it is plain rhetoric.
Challenges such as these are common and mean nothing either. There is no challenge there.
"there is one coin (death) and there are 2 options.There is a God (heads) and there is no God (tails). So you see, the answer is always 1 in 2 and the probability is 0.5."
To reiterate, chances of a head or a tail on tossing a coin isn't ALWAYS 0.5.
ONLY the chances of head or tail on tossing a FAIR coin is 0.5.
How do you establish that your coin is fair??
I couldn't make it simpler than that, sorry.
"You must familiarise yourself with the Bernoulli Trial after which you will acknowledge your mistake."
Not at all! Bernoulli trials require understanding of PROBABILITY in the first place! That's what I've been explaining to you for the past three days – probability!!
To talk about Bernoulli trials you first need to know probability!
"As far as my stance always being superior to yours is concerned, there is one coin (death) and there are 2 options.There is a God (heads) and there is no God (tails).So you see, the answer is always 1 in 2 and the probability is 0.5"
You're again repeating the same wrong concept.
No! The answer isn't ALWAYS 1 in 2 i.e. a probability of 0.5.
It's 0.5 IF AND ONLY IF,the two OPTIONS are EQUALLY LIKELY.
The "2 options and 1 trial(death,lol)" alone aren't enough to conclude that the probability of one of the options happening is 0.5.
Recall your maths teacher teaching you that chances of a head or a tail is 50% on a coin toss, do you remember she said it must be a "fair coin",not "any coin"?
Why did she emphasize on the word "fair"?Precisely to imply that the chances of that coin to show up a head or a tail is equal.
If you make a similar claim-chances of existence of God is 50%-you need to convince me that your coin is fair i.e. God and no God are equally likely events.I don't see any argument from you to establish that.
If you still think the probability of God's existence is 50% , just because "there is one coin (death) and there are 2 options", you would do better to drop mathematical terms from your comments in future as it clearly isn't your strong area.
And if you have or plan to have kids, please give them a maths tutor.
There are many other problems in your analogy,but I think I've said enough 🙂
The ignorant is you Muslims. You are so foolish that you don’t realize Muhammad was unable to answer any logical question and hence resorted to logical fallacies such as ad hominem.
Just remember that your win/win illusion is just that, an illusion. You will burn in hell just as Muhammad is and that is a terrible place. You had your warning and all the evidence that you needed to come to your senses. You rejected them all and chose to follow the Satan. You will meet your Satan in hell. Paradise is not for willfully ignorant people.
Look around you, look at the small animals been devoured by the bigger ones,
pay a visit to any hospital, and have a look at all the sufferings and agony and pain…..God needs all those nurses and doctors to rectify his mistakes…..go to Africa,
doesn't it crush your heart to see people starving to death? God is not lifting a
finger to help. Humans have
only each others, only some of them work hard to sooth the pain of the helpless among people and animals.
The fact that the universe is void of a helping power makes me unhappy, but this is better than living in a lie.
You have only two choices:
either God does not exist,
or he does not care.
"His challenge has been debunked many a time, but his site is still up?"
His challenge may have been responded too, but the arguments offered against him have been back-responded too too. And very well, it seems to me and others.
Granted, you and others, Ali, provide some good arguments, like those about the marriagable age through the ages and cultures and the amount of violence among all humans, not just Muslims. I read them and they indeed were convincing, in part.
But Sujit Das and many others now show what most Islamic arguments, to defend Islam against Counter-jihadist's claims and assertions, are all about.
To name the most important ones; those which are about understanding the language of the holy texts, and seeing the whole context in which they must be seen.
The highly factual and logical counter-arguments against Islamic counter-arguments mean that Ali Sina's challenge has not been decisively debunked, because the counter-arguments themselves have been, at least partly, debunked, or put in doubt severely.
@Ali Sina.
There is only one advice that we Muslims have been given for the likes of you, and that being on a glorious day like today is, I hereby give you my parting gift:
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
Eid Mubarak!
@Raj
That is batter Shahada "there is only one God and that is Allah" than "there is no God but God". At least this does not make a muslim atheist all five time in a day.
If you knew how the universe works you would not believe in any god. I am amazed how Muslims recommend others to study things they have never done themselves. Another funny joke is when they tell me read the Quran and it is clear they have not.
A child of 6 who does not even know what marriage is, cannot object.
Yes Abu Bakr objected but he was a brain dead cultist. Muhammad out maneuvered him in the same way David Koresh convinced his followers to allow him rape their teen daughters. Cultists don’t reason anymore. This applies to all Muslims including you. The brain of the cultist is dead. Don’t confuse functionality with content. Functionality of the brains is the question of structure and hormones. The brain of Muslims functions correctly, but produces garbage.
Aisha could not ask for divorce. She was also a brain dead cultist. No one in Medina had the freedom to think differently. Assuming she asked for divorce where she would go when her father was a brain dead cultist? Have you read about cults and the oppressive environment their compounds? Medina had become Muhammad’s compound where no one dared to whisper a word against Muhammad. Read my book or at least read about cults.
Aisha could not marry after the death of Muhammad. You claim to have read the Quran but like all Muslims you are ignorant of your own holy book. Quran 33:53 says “And it behoves you not to cause inconvenience to the Messenger of ALLAH, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him. That, indeed, is a monstrous thing in the sight of ALLAH”
That criminal was so jealous that he could not bear a young man marry his young wives so these women realize he was an impotent.
Muhammad was a poor man. He was a shy recluse loner with no friends. No women would have married him. He was virgin at the age of 25, not because he was chase. Far from it, he had no problem raping women captured in war. He was virgin because no woman looked at him. There comes Khadija, a wealthy woman, and not bad looking who suffered from inverted narcissism, i.e.falls in love with those who deserve pity and finds her fulfillment in taking care of someone who is emotionally needy. This is a mental disorder. I have explained that in my book. Muhammad craved for a mother figure and Khadija was the perfect person. The relationship was symbiotic, not love. In modern times you can see this same kind of sick relationship between Prince Charles and his wife Camilla. You must read my book to understand all these details.
After you, sir.
Same applies for the Christians who gave their money to
Ted Haggard !
Answer by Fansina –
// What people did those days was out of ignorance. But quran specifically says that muslims should follow the sunnah of the prophet. Following the sunnah of the prophet is also marrying girls of 6 and 9. Remember he is a prophet for all times therefore old men are still marriying young girls in the middle east. Scientifically it is not healthy for girls to marry at such a young age. As far as Khadija is concerned Ali Sina explains it very well in his book "understanding muhammad", he also gives references from the Sira, its too lengthy to explain here. Have a lovely Eid. //
Typical Muslim response below by Ali the stupid Muslim in response to the above comment. It is called turning a blind eye when shown the truth.
Ali :-
// @fansina. Regardless of what you say, the fact is, it was the norm in literally all sections of society across the globe at the time and was no taboo marriage.
I really have no interest in reading Ali Sina's book/s or even listening to his arguments anymore, as all of them are hog wash with personal subjective hate mongering agendas.
Thank you for your Eid greetings and on that note, I will part with the Quranic advice for Muslims, as I think my time on this site is done:
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
This is more for Ali Sina than you. At least now you know why learned scholars do not take much note of him or bother with his rantings, ravings and challenges.
25:63 And the servants of (God) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"; //
Hi Ali I don't think that you seeing the big picture and how Islam is affecting the world at large. I believe that I have already benefited from this site, I feel more human and not feeling as a second class citizen.It is difficult for a woman to succeed in all respects if she has to follow the proper Islamic way of life.a woman can still live a moral life without hijab. With Ali Sina it is a WIN Win situation and not a Win Lose, I don't think Ali Sina has more to gain .
@fansina. Regardless of what you say, the fact is, it was the norm in literally all sections of society across the globe at the time and was no taboo marriage.
I really have no interest in reading Ali Sina's book/s or even listening to his arguments anymore, as all of them are hog wash with personal subjective hate mongering agendas.
Thank you for your Eid greetings and on that note, I will part with the Quranic advice for Muslims, as I think my time on this site is done:
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
This is more for Ali Sina than you. At least now you know why learned scholars do not take much note of him or bother with his rantings, ravings and challenges.
25:63 And the servants of (God) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";
What people did those days was out of ignorance. But quran specifically says that muslims should follow the sunnah of the prophet. Following the sunnah of the prophet is also marrying girls of 6 and 9. Remember he is a prophet for all times therefore old men are still marriying young girls in the middle east. Scientifically it is not healthy for girls to marry at such a young age. As far as Khadija is concerned Ali Sina explains it very well in his book "understanding muhammad", he also gives references from the Sira, its too lengthy to explain here. Have a lovely Eid.
@Fansina. But marrying young was the norm in that region during that period. It was also normal in Europe. Ask any Historian!
Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty.
As a matter of fact, even up until the 18th Century, marriage of 7 year olds was normal and practised! It was only in the 1200's that UK started to bring in Laws to change the rules and ages of consent. In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.
Additionally, it should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.
The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."
In this day and age, Bolivia has an age of consent to what? Also the states of Nayarit and Querétaro in Mexico. Please tell me what the age of consent are in these regions and what religion do they follow?
What was the age of consent of the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic (RSFSR) and other Soviet republics during the Soviet era? Please check and let us know.
As far as Khadija leaving Mohammed in case he married someone else is pure waffle and baseless. It was Khadija who proposed to Mohammed and not the other way round! Common sense dictates that it was easier for her to divorce him as soon as the going got tough but to the contrary of what you say, she remained loyal to him when many prominent Meccans began to oppose him after the revelations. Why didn't she leave him at the first available turn?
And exactly how and when did Abu Bakr oppose the marriage of Aisha to Mohammed?
"No as a human I say that"
Even more meaningless. . . what does that mean?
See . . . you did NOT answer. But came up with meaningless mumbo -jumbo. . .
Why wasn't Judas shown any "light". . . even to this day – you know what the word "Judas" . . . signifies.
You waffled. Where have you shown me that . . . plotter against Jesus were shown light? You haven't.
"God gives Light in a way they you don't expect it. He gave it by self-sacrifice, by forgiveness, by ultimate Love. "
I don't want you religious mumbo-jumbo . . . how is that relevant to anything?
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"Well a physical proof that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead does exist."
This is you who is going off in another direction. Without – giving any evidence at that.
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"You criticized that "God is humble" is only my line. Well think about it, if God is not humble he would have came down from the skies and showed off his powers. "
More BS . . . how is that humility? And what does it EVEN mean.
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"Pride and being proud of someone are two totally different things. Look it up. "
Precisely – yet this is NOT what you said earlier. . . neither is PRIDE for one self all negative:
"Pride is an inwardly directed emotion that carries two common meanings. With a negative connotation, pride refers to an inflated sense of one's personal status or accomplishments, often used synonymously with hubris. With a positive connotation, pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one's own or another's choices and actions, or toward a whole group of people, and is a product of praise, independent self-reflection, or a fulfilled feeling of belonging. "
Wiki
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Elohim – one to be feared and revered. Majesty, Might Power, Guidance/Misguidance……
But you didn't mention "pride" in Elohim.
By the way "a man fearing God" means pious or believer, not "scared". ]]
Ah. . . . see if any Muslim would have used this – you would have jumped at him!
Taj ul Aroos:
(مكر)
المَكْرُ: الخديعةُ والاحتيال. وَقَالَ اللَّيْث: احتيالٌ فِي خُفْيَةٍ. وَقد مَكَرَ يَمْكُرُ مَكْراً. ومَكَرَ بِهِ: كادَه. قَالَ ابْن الأَثير: مَكْرُ الله إيقاعُ بلائِه بأَعدائه دونَ أَوليائِه، وَقيل: هُوَ استدراجٌ للعبيد بالطّاعات فيُتَوَهَّم أَنَّهَا مقبولةٌ وَهِي مردودَةٌ.
وَقَالَ اللَّيْث: المَكْرُ من الله تَعَالَى جَزاءٌ، سُمِّيَ باسم مَكْرِ المُجازَى. وَقَالَ الرّاغب: مكْرُ الله: إمهالُه العبدَ وتمكينُه من أَعراض الدُّنيا. قيل: هُوَ والكيْد مترادفانِ. وَفِي الفروق لأَبي هِلال العسكريّ أَنَّهما مُتَغايِران. وَهُوَ يَتَعَدَّى بِنَفسِهِ، كَمَا قَالَه الزّمخشريّ، وبالباء، كَمَا اخْتَارَهُ أَبو حيّان، قَالَه شيخُنا. وَفِي البصائر: المَكْرُ ضَرْبان: مَحمودٌ وَهُوَ مَا يُتَحَرَّى بِهِ أَمْرٌ جميلٌ، وعَلى ذَلِك قولُه تَعَالَى: واللَّهُ خَيْرُ المَاكِرينَ ومذمومٌ وَهُوَ مَا يُتَحَرَّى بِهِ فعلٌ ذميمٌ، نَحْو قَوْله تَعَالَى: لَا يَحيقُ المَكْرُ السّيِّءُ إلاّ بأَهلِه. وَهُوَ ماكِرٌ ومَكَّارٌ، كشَدّادٍ، ومَكُورٌ، كصَبور.
There is more . . . but this should set you on the way.
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As to the meanings of مكر
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
Lanes Lexicon is an excellent source. As it is based on Classical Arabic dictionaries. In English-Arabic . . . there is no other dictionary of the same regard.
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Even in the Quran the word is used in several different contexts and meanings.
قال فرعون آمنتم به قبل أن آذن لكم إن هذا لمكر مكرتموه في المدينة لتخرجوا منها أهلها فسوف تعلمون
7:123
To mean – plot or conspiracy.
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فلما سمعت بمكرهن أرسلت إليهن وأعتدت لهن متكأ وآتت كل واحدة منهن سكينا وقالت اخرج عليهن فلما رأينه أكبرنه وقطعن أيديهن وقلن حاش لله ما هذا بشرا إن هذا إلا ملك كريم
12:37
Again – different meaning – to scheme
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مكر also signifies He managed with thought, or consideration, or acted with policy, and practiced stratagem, in war.
Lanes Lexicon – from Taj ul Urus.
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Ibid
Also synonymous with كاده
Also – مكر الله and امكر are synonymous. Signifying that God recompensed or requited
or مكر الله signifies God's granting a man respite or delay, and enabling him to accomplish worldly aims.
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Khadija was succesful and she was a very rich woman with lots of influence.If he had to marry another woman, she would have left him.
Ayesha was the daughter of his follower , with guidance she would follow what her parents would advise. Here i think just a little bit of common sense is needed. Ayesha father objected at first but after all the prophet was his leader. A girl at 6 or 9 does not really have freedom of expression and it is easy to mold children when they are young. Again ,common sense. As for the saying, bend the tree while it is young.
"it is a good thing to make an angel of demon but it is a very bad thing to dress a demon with angel clothing and convince others that the demon is an angel "
Meaningless words.
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Almaany – isn't a classical dictionary
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"even though in this era the Arabs produced the finest and most romantic poetry and literature. "
This is simply your claim . . . backed up by what? You know perfectly well i am going to challenge EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY.
So what and who EXACTLY are you talking about?
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"As much as you like to polish your Quran by polishing words that condemn it such as مكر, you simply can't hide forever the ugliness of evil that dwells in the Quran."
Such as . . . now you have started to ramble . . . that is when one comes up with many words – but nothing of substance. It is OBVIOUS you will come out with statements like this. And?
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"You may know your way around Classical Arabic but my studies of Arabic goes back to the era of Jahiliyyah"
Who are we talking about here? What have you read? I am interested to know.
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"Nevertheless, If you don't trust my translation, the least we can do is search every possible meaning for word مكر in an Arabic dictionary: "
But almaany isn't the right dictionary is it? Also where does it give all negative meanings?
In this instance don't give a link – but actual examples. Which you have failed to do.
What you claim – and what the link actually say are 2 different things.
There are several classical Arabic dictionaries . . . Taj Ul Urus and Lisan al Arab – being the main ones.
Things like Almaany are derivatives. . . why not talk about the primary source. . . . why even bother to refer to secondary sources?
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"There are 5 possible meanings to مكر according to contexts (including in Quran) and I'm sorry to inform you that مكر has no "good" meaning. "
You know OUTRIGHT you are lying. . .
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"But I got to say, doing my studies I found out that meanings to many words had been added later to the Arabic dictionary just to "polish" the Quran. For example let's say a word "XXXX" in Arabic has and always had 8 negative meanings but when you search today in modern dictionaries, you'll find out that "XXXX" has 8 negative meanings and one positive meaning."
You really MUST think that I am an idiot. Who has said ANYTHING about modern dictionaries – or referring to them?
And why is it that you have no examples? Just your claims – which I do NOT believe.
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"Mohamad spoke Original Arabic and Quran is written in Original Arabic. But the Arabs (who are of majority Muslims) added to the Original Arabic dictionary meanings to soften Quran or to deceive themselves and others. "
Evidence?
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"- Because of that Pride, you don't bother to check if our claims are true. You just assume we're wrong and refuse to listen or see. "
You make claims – that are NOT backed by any evidence. . . IT IS YOUR JOB TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS . . .
Lets say I ma a scientist and suddenly I claim to have discovered something new. . . about how the universe began – but refuse to give any evidence – and keep re-iterating my claim. Do you think I will be taken seriously? Especially if I ask . . . that it is other scientists job to negate my claim.
How ridiculous does that sound? This is EXACTLY what you are saying.
But did Aisha object to the marriage?
Did her parents object to the marriage?
Dis she ask for divorce during her 10 years or so of marriage?
Did she marry again after the death of Mohammed, even though she lived for maybe another 50 years?
And if Mohammed was this pervert, why did he marry Khadija who was 15 years his senior aged 40 and did not marry anyone else whilst in this marriage?
I told you Loki, your reasoning of understanding 50/50 from a 1 in 2 chance is flawed.
As far as your question concerning get hit by lightning is concerned, you must first understand the Laws of large numbers. The coin toss is more in line with what you and me are debating concerning the existence or non existence of God and the risk we are both taking in our stances and not the lightning example. The odds of being hit by lightening is determined randomly, location, size of population, regional discourses and the probability of lightning striking a particular object situated on the earth (ground) is found by multiplying the object’s lightning-attractive area by the local ground-flash density (lightning strikes to ground per km2 per year). This is nowhere near the same as a coin toss.
As far as my stance always being superior to yours is concerned, there is one coin (death) and there are 2 options. There is a God (heads) and there is no God (tails). So you see, the answer is always 1 in 2 and the probability is 0.5. Exactly what I said to you earlier.
You must familiarise yourself with the Bernoulli Trial after which you will acknowledge your mistake.
Anyway, each to their own. No one is forcing you or forcing me.
Good luck in whichever way you swing as I really couldn't care less.
Religious people who don't consider God as an emotion, love are not religious.
For the rest you need crash course in how universe works !
I thought you need physical manifestation of God like having four limbs, four heads something !
I am protecting you , a shooter is trying to shoot you, I am a better shooter ! Now prove me I am bad or good or shooting is bad. If you want I should try another way like begging , requesting that shooter and urge for goodness from him, meantime you will be dead.
No as a human I say that
check in a comment below my argument to مكر. I don't want to repeat.
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This doesn't bear out . . . for example what happened to those who plotted against Jesus? Why weren't they shown any "light".
I don't need to answer you, Jesus already did:
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
here when Jesus predicted his torture and crucifixion, Peter's thoughts were fighting and killing.
God gives Light in a way they you don't expect it. He gave it by self-sacrifice, by forgiveness, by ultimate Love.
I know you'll say that's only my claim, that Quran says Jesus was not crucified….Well a physical proof that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead does exist. And another proof that God gave light through ultimate goodness is to check Jesus' grave in Jerusalem at Easter (Orthodox timing) on TV or by travelling there. At that time (which symbolizes the rise from the dead), the light comes out of the grave and lighten the candles with a fire that doesn't burn (for a couple of minutes). That's God's way to give us hope and to show us Love.
You criticized that "God is humble" is only my line. Well think about it, if God is not humble he would have came down from the skies and showed off his powers.
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Not all pride is sin . . . for example the pride on has for his children as a parent. Try reading up on the word.
Pride and being proud of someone are two totally different things. Look it up.
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Elohim – one to be feared and revered. Majesty, Might Power, Guidance/Misguidance……
But you didn't mention "pride" in Elohim.
By the way "a man fearing God" means pious or believer, not "scared".
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When there is Pride, you can't see logic. Get rid of that Pride first then you'll understand.
aminriadh I expected a better argument from you concerning مكر.
it is a good thing to make an angel of demon but it is a very bad thing to dress a demon with angel clothing and convince others that the demon is an angel
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"This is simply your claim . . and given you bias . . . obvious you will claim this. But it is wrong . . . "
As much as you like to polish your Quran by polishing words that condemn it such as مكر, you simply can't hide forever the ugliness of evil that dwells in the Quran. You may know your way around Classical Arabic but my studies of Arabic goes back to the era of Jahiliyyah, you know the era of Arabs that Muslims call the era of Ignorance, even though in this era the Arabs produced the finest and most romantic poetry and literature. Nevertheless, If you don't trust my translation, the least we can do is search every possible meaning for word مكر in an Arabic dictionary:
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&a…
There are 5 possible meanings to مكر according to contexts (including in Quran) and I'm sorry to inform you that مكر has no "good" meaning.
But I got to say, doing my studies I found out that meanings to many words had been added later to the Arabic dictionary just to "polish" the Quran. For example let's say a word "XXXX" in Arabic has and always had 8 negative meanings but when you search today in modern dictionaries, you'll find out that "XXXX" has 8 negative meanings and one positive meaning. Next to the positive meaning, you'll find the only example to back it up which is a sentence from Quran. How deceptive!!!!
The word took a new meaning in Quran???? Isn't Quran supposed to be very simple?
Mohamad spoke Original Arabic and Quran is written in Original Arabic. But the Arabs (who are of majority Muslims) added to the Original Arabic dictionary meanings to soften Quran or to deceive themselves and others.
You all are living the greatest scam in the history of humanity.
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"Petty"
Not that's petty:
– You hang on to lie which you believe is true and defend it from all of your heart out of fear of hell and punishment.
– Thinking that Islam is the only truth and that you're the only ones to go to heaven filled you with PRIDE. That pride consumes you, blinds you from the truth and makes it impossible to accept that someone else might be right.
– Because of that Pride, you don't bother to check if our claims are true. You just assume we're wrong and refuse to listen or see.
– It's a Petty that you don't want to see that God gave us all the signs that he's present with us like he always was and not just by words but by actions through continuous miracles. Have you bothered to check if we do have supernatural miracles or not?
And do answer my question, if you think chance for God's existence is 50:50, is the chance of you getting struck by lightning also the same?
If not, can you care to elaborate 'why' you think the chances aren't same?
"But for one and only one flip no matter what you flipped before, the odds are still 50/50. And this is the case with God or no God"
Whatever you're call that 50%, it isn't 'probability' or 'odds' as defined in mathematics.You might give it a new name like "Alian Probability theory" which only you in the whole world will recognize.
The chance of God's existence/non-existence can't be 50% just because there are two possible outcomes!! That violates the basic assumption of 'equal likelihood' of the outcomes in Classical probability theory.
To 'claim' 50:50 odds,you 'have to establish' equal likelihood, which you didn't.You merely said we have one death-which is another way of saying I don't(or can't,which I don't agree with) know for sure.In that case your 50% is just an uninformed guess which doesn't merit analysis on anybody's part.
Either establish the equal likelihood,or your claim has to be dismissed as fallacious.
"Sorry mate, I win, all the time. By 50%. Ask any Professor, they will enlighten you"
Yes! That's all that was left.Screw up basic concepts,give marks to yourself, and declare yourself the winner.LOL
And if this is your criteria of winning, why even discuss? Sit at home basking in the glowing radiance of ignorance 🙂
I don't need a professor to prove you're wrong.That's argument from authority,which I don't make.Read "classical definition of probability" from 'any' textbook,and then match with your conditions.You're simply 'wrong' as per the definition of mathematical probability.
And yes I need lot more of enlightenment in maths,but not in page 1 of Probability Theory 🙂 I suggest you turn over pages of a probability book,if you still have one.
We do not see air, love, emotions
etc..but the religious people
do not consider "God" as an
emotion or love, they consider
him as a master or a dictaror,
whom they fear and obey "his"
orders send by his massengers.
No, certainly I do not think
like a Hindu, this is an
insult.
Did you see love, emotions, soul ? Don't think like a Hindu that He will come with extra limbs !
Did you see "him" , since your eyes
are wide open ?
No Loki. British, born and bred, and the parents and the grandparents.
How about you? Where do you hail from and what are your origins? Not that it makes a slight bit of difference to me, but you seem to be the one infatuated with the South Asians and emigration. This is the usual tripe from the far right wing racist 'go back to where you come from' clan. Which I don't think you are. Maybe an ex Hindu, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, moving back onto your point, you are trying to move the goal posts from 1 of 2 options into probable chances that meet your criteria.
When we have a coin, there are two equally possible outcomes when we toss a coin: a head or tails. Therefore, the probability of getting head is 50% or and the probability of getting tail is 50%. Simple. If you were to start to predict that a sequence of flips will be three heads in a row or a tails a heads and a tails then the percentage will drop.
But for one and only one flip no matter what you flipped before, the odds are still 50/50. And this is the case with God or no God. There is or there is not. We are not predicting the sequences of death and working out if God exists or not , coming back to life and then dying again waiting for the sequence to fit our belief to meet us on the other end. We only have 1 death and after which there is only 1 of 2 probabilities with equal chances. There is or there is not, a God! How hard is this for your to understand?
In the case of there being a God or no God, means 1 out of 2 with an absolutely equal chance that one is right and not the other. Unfortunately you guys are very good at dressing simple logic and trying to fit it into your own way of understanding, thinking and justification.
For example, if you have a rolling dice, there are 6 equally possible outcomes when we roll a dice. The probability of getting any number out of 1-6 is one sixth. In other words, one out of six.
Sorry mate, I win, all the time. By 50%. Ask any Professor, they will enlighten you.
That is the reason that Muslims Majority of Kargil area are pro Indian rule as like rest of Baltistan, this area to is Shia Majority. Shias and Sufis have no future in Pakistan. Either convert to Salafism. Else Shia go to Iran or they may be killed. Sufis have no nation to go. Barelavis are safe only in India. incidentally Raza Academy of Azad Maidan, Mumbai fame is Barelvi only.
20 Shiites pulled off Pakistani bus and shot dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4P7s94tjEo&fe….
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Gunmen dragged 20 Shiite Muslim travellers off a bus and killed them at point blank range in Pakistan on Thursday, the third such incident in six months, officials said.
The attack happened in the northwestern district of Mansehra as the bus was travelling between Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistani army, and the mainly Shiite northern city of Gilgit.
Officials said it was ambushed in the hills of Babusar Top, around 100 miles (160 kilometres) north of the capital Islamabad, although they differed over details of the incident.
"Ten to 12 people wearing army uniform stopped the bus and forced some people off the bus," said Khalid Omarzai, administration chief in Mansehra.
"After checking their papers, they opened fire and at least 20 people are reported to have been killed. This is initial information and the final toll may go up. They are all Shiites," he said.
Local police official Shafiq Gul told AFP that the gunmen were masked, but said the victims were pulled from three separate vehicles in the district, which neighbours the Swat valley, a former Taliban stronghold.
"They stopped three vehicles, searched them and picked up people in three batches of five, six and nine and shot them dead. They were all Shiites," he said.
It is the right of Muslims to fight and kill Infidel. With great Indians like Lalu, Digvijay,Rahul, Mulayam et al,Mr Raj people like you can only watch. Your leaders are in fact servants of Muslims. For bottle of rum/ wine poor Hindu vote for secular. Your are already ruled by Muslims. Pity. Andha Hazare or Kana Ramdev also go on the feet of Muslims. Indian future is that of Pakistan part II.
a Song for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifuLYA6kEX4
I say a line in Tamil.
Pandriku Saprindge, Ne Chingham.
So if Mohammed is Iblees, then Mohammed has been here since the creation of Mankind, according to your logic dung sniffer Raj?
Did I not tell you to stay away from the dung worshipping as the fumes are getting to your head thus impairing your thinking rationale?
2:34 And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
7:11 It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so iblis; He refused to be of those who bow down.
15:31 Not so iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.
15:32 (God) said: "O iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves?"
15:33 (iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
17:61 Behold! We said to the angels: "Bow down unto Adam": They bowed down except iblis: He said, "Shall I bow down to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
38:75 (God) said: "O iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"
So what you are saying Raj dungwaala, is that God told Mohammed to bow down to Adam and Mohammed refused? (because he is Iblees). Therefore the Mohammed you are ridiculing who came 1400 years ago has really been here for thousands years earlier and you guys have got the wrong one?
This just gets better and better with you dumb a@@es.
FRIDAY MADNESS OF THE MUSLIMS – After the PIECEFUL prayers coming out on the streets, fully disturbed, agitated and full of violence.
Mob turns violent in Lucknow, mediapersons thrashed
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mob-turns-viol…
A mob of over 2000 Muslims turned violent and attacked media persons in Lucknow on Friday, leaving at least six of them profusely bleeding. There was a large number of police force present on the spot but remained mute spectators, giving a free hand to the rioters.
The mob, which came out of Teele Wali Masjid after Friday prayer and converted into a procession to protest against Assam and Myanmar violence, suddenly turned violent without any immediate provocation and started thrashing media persons.
The protestors, owing allegiance to Jamaat-e-Ulama, also damaged their vehicles and cameras.
Later on, a protester said they were angry because Salim Allarakha Chaukiya (23), one of the protesters in Saturday's riot in Mumbai was identified and arrested on Thursday only because of the media footage, in which he was shown brandishing a rifle which he had snatched from the police.
You still sniffing the dung Raj?
When you gonna give your butt butt ding ding Islamaphobic rhetoric a stop?
Or do you want more 'teri maa di puudi' verses?
Dear Raj_Humanity, I must confess that your above comment is very touching and I think that my dear Dr Ali Sina will cry after reading it. My beloved Dr Ali Sina, you must take good care of yourself for the sake of those good and kind souls in this troublesome world, who love you so dearly ie. Grace. Jesus love you too. 🙂
That's all?
"And it goes on and on and on.."
Shahada is three steps entrance
There is no God(Atheism) >>
But God(Theism) >>
and Muhammad is the messenger of God(Muslim)
Only third step make Muslim. Earlier two steps don't have any confliction with any religion
imaginary entity ! I don't think you are 12 yr old to tell this theory.
For a blind even sun is imaginary !
What kind of logic do you have????
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/what-kind-of…
Beyond probability, If you reason, use logic as you claim. PROOF THIS IS WRONG! http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/11/the-aspects-…
The link is 19.org/767/reformist-vs-sectarian
Oh, my dear Dr Ali Sina! I really like your one and only picture in the header. Do you know that you are really handsome and also, very good looking? Thanks to your good and kind heart and also, good and kind soul. 🙂
Very nice. But I am not sure about the first three lines of your last paragraph,
propbably because I feel it is wishful thinking.
I liked your nooo….it reminded me with Mishka the dog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRw-lfXy_tQ
It is. Thanks.
Allah is the imaginary entity the ancient
people created when they couldn't find
answers to all the mysteries of the universe.
He is also known as God, or Thor, or Zues.
Each nation gave him a name, but he is one.
"this atheist" means Dr Sina and not all the atheist. I hope confusion is off.
Couldn't your dumb Mohammad/Allah have worded it – there is only one God and that is Allah.
Stupid Muslims! Islam is a big lie. Mohammad was a big fraud.
Islam begins by denial – negatively. NEGATIVE ENERGY OOZING OUT. DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY OOZING OUT.
Islam does not have anything positive to contribute to the world.
Why do you want muslims to unite with jews against atheists?
One of the strongest reasons for why the atheists find religions
repulsive is because the religious people want to shove their
beliefs down the throat of others.
We don't want religion in our lives, we don't want chains, we don't
want to be controled by mythology.
Say you like to eat chicken, if some one hates to eat meat, ane you
force him to do so, he will certainly vomit.
Same with religion, when a religous person tries to force me
to digest his beliefs, I feel sick mentally and emotionally..
as if poison is injected in my brain.
@Rainbow
Who is Allah? I do not know him. I believe there is only one God/Ishwar.
The Shahada means: There is no other god
beside Allah
@Rainbow/Raj
Islamic Shahada is totally wrong. When we read first part we become atheist "There is no God" it is only second part there is acceptance of God "but God/Allah". "There is no God but God" this does not give any sense. It will be much better to say "there is only one God" than saying "There is no God but God."
Are you truly stupid, or you pretend to be.
There is no God but Allah, means there is
only one God who is Allah.
Ali Said: "If what you say is correct and there is no deity or God, then when I die, I gain nothing and lose nothing. My fate will be the same as the likes of you?
If, on the other hand, there is a deity, God, then I gain.'
Unfortunately, it is not only faith in "God" that is required from us,
we also must be committed to rituals, such as praying, fasting,
attending mosques, going to Haj, paying zakat..etc, etc….
so, if there is no "God", then you wasted your life doing difficult,
unpleasant things you would rather not do….in this case, you lose !
Ali the stupid Muslim said –. If God exists and Allah is the devil, then who is Iblees? —
Mohammad is the Iblees.
Your Mohammad himself denied God.
— There is no God, but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet. —
The one who denies God is Mohammad.
No hate for you Muslims, only pity.
Typical Muslim response.
HOW MUSLIMS DEFEND THE FLAWS OF ISLAM
by Sujit Das
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/how-mu…
What I am about, why I do and say what I do and say is something positive. it is about a comprehensive set of beliefs and values about democracy and human rights.
I am different from Ali Sina, but I recognize that it is better to ally oneself to bigger groups who are partly in alignment with me against the more "totalitarian and dangerous" people than it is to be "a lone wolf".
So I rather try to ally myself to Ali Sina than those who are against him. Hence I try to defend him against the other Ali and you. I certainly realise that it is not certain whether it will work or not. But I know why I am in this debate and it comes from my heart.
My reluctance? Comes only from knowing my limitations on some topics, but I am passionate to exchange our views.
And if possible to help resolve our controversies in the very long run, during the 21st century and so help mankind achieve more peace and harmony.
Little I care about your answer. And you didn't give in a sentence or two !
Defeating scriptures require some calibre. I have your last edition of book , honestly I am not a usual book reader and haven't read it.
My question was simple as I don't need expert view but fired only to know core of your understanding regarding "Understanding Muhammad"
University is tiny thing in Universe.
Thank you
I thought you are going to throw at me a more profound question.
Muhammad was a cult leader. If you study cults you’ll see ALL cult leaders are sexual perverts and abuse the trust of their followers to gain sex.
I have given detailed examples of that in my book comparing several cult leaders such as Jim jones, David Koresh, Joseph Koni, Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara, Marshal Applewhite (of Heaven’s gate), Claude Vorilhon, founder of Raëlian cult, John De Ruiter, and many others to Muhammad. Once you read my book it will be impossible for you think think of Muhammad the same way.
Cult leaders demand purity and chastity from their followers. They however live a despicable life of immorality. They preach one thing and do the opposite. In this Muhammad is no different from other cult leaders.
I have sent my book to hundreds of Muslims. I want to hear from those who never replied, what happened? They promised to read it an come back clarifying my misunderstandings. Why they haven’t? They can’t. My book, specially the sixth edition leaves no room for doubt.
Ok Scooby Doo! before solving mystery can you please answer my question in one or two sentences.
Why did Muhammad(pbuh) choose Aisha (ra)?
I don't think that the Durex will
work….not even Tide,
try Tilex or Commet, maybe,
and don't forget the Black Flag and Raid.
heheheeeee…this is soothing, Ali
let us hear more of it,
unfortunately, I don't understand
Raj language.
“And your great contribution is????????????? ”
Solving Muhammad’s mystery. It is thanks to this mystery that Muslims cling to him. Once that mystery is removed nothing will stop them leaving Islam.
The fact that Muslim clerics can never agree on anything and always have differing views on everything does not make the stupid arguments of the Quran right. It just goes to prove that this book is far from clear and easy to understand as it repeatedly claims. A book of guidance should not be interpreted in so many ways or it ceases to be a book of guidance.
Furthermore, which one of the interpretations is good? None! It just makes no sense that a woman should not be lawful to her husband because he divorced her three times and should marry another man and go to bed to her hoping that he would divorce her so she could become lawful to her original husband and go back taking care of their children.
Anyone who does not see this as an utterly asinine law has to check his or her brain. We don’t need any other argument to show Muhammad was a lunatic nuts than this verse.
Ali, heres more- Bad omen in woman Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, book 62, number 30
Married Ayesha when she was six Volume7 Book 62, number 64
Had sexual relationships with all nine wives in one night because he had the strenghth of 30 men. Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6
Ali, here are some references- Bukhari Volume8, Book 82, number 796- Prophet advised drinking camel urine, gourged eyes of men who stole camels.
Volume 7, Book 62, number 113 Prophet describes women a crooked.
Mutta( Temporary) marriage/ One night stand
Volume 7, Book 62. number 52
Women in Hell
Volume1, Book 6 number 301
Well this came out of the horses mouth, learned, scholar. I remember him also telling me that a husband should never mention that his mothers food is nicer than his wife's. Why is it so important. To me it does not matter at all.
Ali, they are all in the Sahih Bukhari Hadith. I bought all nine books in mumbai at the Taj book store in mammad dali road near Zaveri Bazaar. It is the most Authentic of all Hadiths. I was shocked when I read all this and wanted to become a quran alone muslim.This Sahih Bukhari has been stamped by the University of Medina. Just give me some time I will give you all the references. Before then someone reading this might beat me to it. For your own sake I suggest you also purchase them so that you can verify for yourself.
References please. Thanks.
The Message was for Hindus and people like Mr Raj. I agree to him that my power of expression is bad. Only for you Mr Raj, being just with you.
Your creed is being out numbered in north east.
In south, your men are being terrorized. Made to flee.
you are busy putting your energy online. Offline it is a matter of say 25 years. India will be Pakistan II. Muslims will read it and say Al HamduLillah and Inshallah.
You will not be working anything offline till, they enter your house, snatch computer from you. Do your circumcision. I will write something in Sanskrit, to be Just with Hindus. Uthishta Bhartah, Gatiman Bhav, Ari Ghat Avashyambhavi. Kesari Samah Varahkshya Shubhasti.
yes ali sina, u now put it in proper context, but again there are difference among clerics about the happening of three-time utterance of Talaq at a single time as equivalent to full-fledged Talaq, majority rejects it and stipulated three different times persistence for Talaq by men by way of word and subsequently also by mere action with no change of mind alternatively is accepted principal
@Fan Sina , your information regarding the unbelievable clumsy grounds for divorce in favor of muslim man is wrong, but yes i am not here to defend or asaail anything
Encouraging rape, drinking camel urine, brutally piercing eye of man that stole the camel. Umm Ayman drank water with his urine in it and not feeling sorry about it. Sleepimg with Maria when it was Hafsa turn. Raiding and kiling people without warning.Killing jewish men after they surrended. Also having sex with more than one woman in one night without taking ablution. Fasted less hours than normal. Had 9 wives at one time instead of 4 and it goes on and on and on.
I second you on that aminriadh.
Do not go by what Vijay says. Even he may not know what he is reading and writing. Cannot make heads or tails of what he is writing.
Dear brother Abdullah Ihsan,
Re "Shouldn't you ask your Chinese brothers and sisters first why so many of them have accepted Islam and once you find out why, please share his/her story."
This is the 2nd time you repeated this misinformation and touting it as agreeable fact. If I am not from China, you would have misled me. Your statement reminded me of my primary school muslim teacher telling the class, "why is rocket science technology revealed in the quran if this is not a book from Allah."
Han Chinese which makes up over 90% of China population reverting to Islam is almost nil. I don't know where you get this misinformation from.
Hui Chinese (like myself) and Uyghur Chinese are already muslims and we can trace our ancestry back to the Middle East or Persia.
You also asked me how I am going to help Muslims. If you look at my 2nd paragraph, that is what I am trying to help.
Salam.
Vijay says it all . . . man – I don't even to do any legwork!
"I never used my title because of people like you. I know how Muslims have nothing to refute what I say so they will love to talk about my qualification, looks and other red herrings. "
When I REFUTED you . . . what is you did? You started insulting and calling me a liar . . . and said i had twisted the meanings.
Yet when I asked what have I twisted meanings of . . .
then you said to to forget about it!
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Then you started spouting other imagined errors . . .even then reluctant to pick one!
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Then thing about mentioning your Doctorate is – that then you are able to verification . . . hence you seek the credibility a doctorate gives . . . without being open to any challenges.
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"Dr. Sina, if your friends who knew you personally, called you Dr. Sina, it means you ARE a Dr. However, if you prefer Ali Sina, then I will call you that way from now on "
Ha ha ha ha . . . . you really take the biscuit! A doctor besides medical is term for those with a doctorate degree regardless of subject.
I have a strong suspicion – that Sina does not have ANY doctorate. In any subject.
In your book – you had trouble with accuracy . . . and with presenting Hadith truthfully – yet you're careful not talk about it. . . in specifics.
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What you mean is whatever you can twist to portray as negative – you will label that as truth . . . everything else is false. Beyond that you have no other – principle or methodology to speak of.
I have asked before – nothing was forthcoming. And it won't be this time.
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However you have a body of work available – judging by that . . . well – you always will be "hate monger" living in the pits.
Hence you are so desperate to have "debates" with known names to give your self credibility – that from an academic point of view you lack.
Demsci – you begin to show your true colours . . . bit by bit.
I had you about right. . . . from the start.
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Protecting Sina like that doesn't work . . . not whilst his Work is there for all to see. The lies, deception, hate . . . its all here.
This is why you are so reluctant to discuss specifically on any topic – but argue on the periphery about Sina.
Dear Agracean, we are all white somewhere 🙂
I am a white Chinese in the sense that I think like white. From my observation, Indians think individually, Persians think individually, Arabs think individually, but caucasians think collectively. That is the reason why I am here to help them.
He owes you an apology in that case.He made you look dumber than you already were.
Which bad things? Please elaborate.
Ali, you mentiioned that you believe in hadiths, all of them? Do you agree with all the bad thing written in the Hadiths about the prophet
Sir, forgive me to come in between you and Muslims, both of you may decide. I am a fool, not even a good man. I was in the impression that Holy Vedas are in root of all Dharmas. I may be wrong.
@Vijay
__________ A Muslim can claim that Islam is Sanatan Dharma, so could be done by Jews__________
Muslims never claim Islam is eternal religion. According to Islam only Allah is eternal. Only Vedic religion and Hinduism claim religion as eternal.
The dung worshipper speaks.
Of course he's precious for you. Who else you gonna worship once he's gone. Right now he is your modern god and ranks above Brahma for you retards.
No wonder Indians are treated like schit the world over. When we say jump, you say how high. Subservient priks.
Ja kar kisi haathee ki tatti ki pooja kar, tatti soongney walla, Ali Sina ka mureed.
😉
Of course it is Ali Sina, of course it is.
If you are so desperate for cash, just ask!
I will do as you say Ali Sina. But in 30 years when Islam is eradicated and you are proved to be right! Don't start counting your chickens just yet, old boy, not yet.
Until then, the spending must go on.
But you don't believe in Satan, or do you, depending on the time of day?
Don't worry, you're not the first and definitely won't be the last to get caught up in your own delusions?
An Atheist who believes in Satan. That's a first!
And your great contribution is?????????????
And you are the first person in 1400 years to have discovered Mohammed's disorders are you? Then why are you not being paraded around the world by all the Heads of State, mobbed by scientists, scholars and the masses for discovering something which is bigger than the cure for AIDS?
Why are you not mentioned in the Guinness Book of Records for your feat or up for one of the biggest and most prestigious recognition awards?
I rest my case!
Delusion is Delusion.
I agree 101 % with Anjana Temple. Fact is Lord Jesus, Lord Buddha, Lord Mahavira, Prophet PBUH, Guru Nanak, Laotse , Confucius, Bahaullah non started a religion. Their followers fabricated a religion attached to them. A person after God becomes spiritual, leaves the religion, gets salvation, loves the universe, while person after religion, becomes fundamentalist bigot. He hates humans within his faith for their imperfection and hate people outside his faith. Such guy is doomed. Some Muslims may think that I am working for Satan, giving them sugar coated pills, driving them to apostasy. They may remember that all power is from the God.
Exactly when was he appointed Board Member of SION? Exactly what is SION, a blog and facebook movement or is it an incorporated company with legal status recognised by statute? Please advise.
He has been regurgitating his rubbish since 1994, but has just recently become Board Member of SION, according to SION itself. And you mean the rallies that attract about 200 followers like the latest one in Sweden on August 4?
Why cannot Ali Sina fight his own corner? Robert Spencer doesn't seem to be hiding in the closet under a pseudonym, does he? Even when you look at all the pictures of the movement and their meetings, Ali Sina is the only one that is always missing and never to be seen. Why? How comes Ali Sina's life is more of a threat than the rest of the SION team when the remainder members are far more critical than Ali Sina?
No matter which way you look at it, none of it makes any logical sense. Ali Sina sit's there throwing stones at people behind the cover of anonymity and then hides his hand. This is his similitude. Cowardice. All under the pretence of humanity and rational thinking.
No thank you. I'll give the Ali Sina movement and it's prescriber's a miss.
Any person who cannot even defend his own supporters, and hasn't got the respect and courage to meet them, doesn't deserve my vote.
Jai Jinendra Brother,
At least dont make Dr Ali Sina a Jain, else due to Jainism, he will be forced to make all humans as friends. Including Muslims too. Then Islam haters will loose, their weapon to counter Islam.
I dont think that idolaters Hindus should tolerate Holy Kuran or Muslims as the root of Islamism is anti idols, the idols are major parts of Hinduism. But due to the merrcy of Allah SWT. The rulers Hindus are anti Hinduism in India. Hate of Hindus to Islam is similar to the one of pagan Quraish. There is no need to laugh at them. If Hindu majority India and Nepal are secular and not following Hindu state, then it is a fact that Hindus themselves fight their own faith for the democracy and human rights. Had India being a true Hindu Rashtra/Nation following their text. Islam should not be tolerated. One Sunnat/tradition of prophet is to be just and true, weather own or Ghair/others.Once there was a case in Median, between Muslim and Jew. He actually gave judgment in favor of Jew.
Welcome to Jainism. You will have the dimension to understand Him a lot more. Jainism says that we all are God. We have to realize that. It is an atheistic religion – yet sheds light on God – not as the Creator – but as the Omniscient and the Eternal. We have to uncover our Karmas to understand that we are God.
As a first step, what is a true religion? A true religion is one which helps us to know ourselves and identify ourselves.
Understand that at any moment of time, we are not living 'in the Present'. Either we are having fond attached memories/remembrance of the past (raag – attachment). Or we are having hatred about something about the past (dwesh – hatred). So we are either remembering the past for the raag/dwesh or planning something about the raag/dwesh in the future. We are always remembering about the past or planning about the future.
As a result, WE ARE NOT LIVING IN THE ETERNAL PRESENT MOMENT.
Jainism guides us to the present mindfulness or living in the present.
By living in total truthfulness and total non violence – we reach that goal ultimately – which is called MOKSHA. Or the kshay (destruction) of Moha (attachment) —-> MO / KSHA – Moksha.
What hinders us then? It is our past Karmas. What are Karmas – units which attach to our soul through previous thoughts, words and deeds.
Become an independent observer and allow the karmas to run the full course. You will be free from all diseases about raag/dwesha – two emotions – attachment due to love/greed and hatred. Observe. As Sri Krishna says, become a witness and just observe. Act with detachment.
Remove the ' I '.
It cannot be done at one go. It is progressive. A series of steps. While going through these series of steps, one has to have patience which is another name of courage.
I hoped that my input may be helpful.
Jainism is against killing. It is totally non violent. The idea/concept of non violence is the unique contribution of Jainism in world thought.
Jainism is an eco friendly religion. It is against consumerism. And thereby reduced wastage.
Though the most ideal and the need of the hour, it will be the first religion to die. This is prophesied. Like it is said, we get the king we deserve. We get the religion, that we deserve.
Live in total non violence and total truthfulness. Live in good thoughts, words and deeds. Forgive anyone and everyone for any harm or trespass done to you. Like what Jesus did. Keep on forgiving. Always think for other's good first. Then you are living in Jainism. THERE IS NO OUTER RITUALISTIC ACCEPTANCE OF JAINISM. Try not to cheat your conscience. That is enough.
If you are not able to live in total truthfulness. Just take some vows/resolutions that in such and such thing – you will not lie. Slowly put yourself on track. There is no hard and fast rule and no compulsion in Jainism. Yathaa shakti. Meaning practice according to your capability. But do it honestly.
May you find peace and love and happiness and be free of any false attachment and hatred.
Ali Sina – You are too precious for us – do not reveal anything about your id. These Muzzies are trying to reach you – to assault your physically.
Do not share your pics, photo or reveal your id. Better to show yourself as a transgender. Better to show yourself as a fool. Better to show yourself as a Muslim.
As I said, Chanakya Neeti says, saam, daam, dand, bhed. They are trying all their tricks in their books. If you are a man, they will try to get your id revealed by getting you seduced through a female. They will go to any extent.
Take care of yourself for us.
"Ali Sina is no scholar, has no grasp of the Arabic language, is no specialist in comparative religion, is not a renowned scientist, does not sit on any steering groups or committees, is not an advisor to institutions whether they be academia or
government bodies and is no specialist in Islam by his own admission."
But there is also Robert Spencer to whom Ali Sina is connected. Ali Sina was mentioned as being on the board of SION, Stop the Islamization of Nations.
And connected to them both are many former Muslims and Islam-researchers, Islam-specialists, with high knowledge of Islamic theory and practice. I say Ali Sina does not work alone, but in a team. And you Muslims should address the team.
Robert Spencer and David Wood gladly accept many opportunities to debate in public. So Muslims can turn to them to debate, bringing all their objections against Ali Sina and debate them with Robert and David. There is no problem in this regard with Ali Sina or rather, the counterjihadist-team he is part of.
Oh, my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, I think that you deserve to be awarded the Nobel peace prize, just like the late Mother Teresa, for saving humanity from monsters. 🙂
"I think the end Islam is very close."
I think your mom didn't feed you, she gave you thumb since then you are into misconceptions. Never mind I'm only thinking.
Ok lets test your claim answer me following question in one or two sentences.
Why did Muhammad(pbuh) choose Aisha(ra)?
I think the end Islam is very close. All you have to do is read my book and you’ll leave Islam too. Now the trick is to take that message to the masses of Muslims. That too is feasible. Once Muslims see the truth, most of them will leave Islam.
And as for you giving your money to the charity of my choice, I want you to spend on educating girls in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Oh he doesn’t need the money, that is why he will not respond. Muslims are soooo detached from material things that they won’t bother to even save their religion for it.
Om Puri was born in 1950. He is older than me. So how can I look like his father? There is no picture of me anywhere, except the one you see in the header.
“For me to get a diagnosis if I am ill, I must go to a medical doctor….”
But you follow Muhammad blindly without asking for his qualifications? What proof did he present that he is a prophet of God? Give me one? he answer is none. He lied and you chose to believe. That is it.
I read the Quran in Arabic. I used English and Persian translations as help. I perfectly understand that book. But I know things no Muslim knows and that is the mind of Muhammad. I am the first to have discovered Muhammad suffered from Narcissistic Personality disorder and Obsessive Compulsive disorder. The fact that he suffered also from temporal lobe epilepsy was already known and some doctors had already suspected that he may have also suffered from acromegaly, I proved that.
Sorry if it sounds pompous but I have made a great contribution to understanding Muhammad and hence Islam and Muslims.
Thanks Loki, even though i am slightly busy, i will take my time to respond to your statements! Your knowledge of the Quran i still argue is based on sectarian teachings, sectarian influence and sectarian interpretations. its all echoed in your responses and the quotations you make. May i remind you that all the translations you love quoting for me are from one root. i.e (Sunni sources)(Wahabis, Barelvis, Salafis, Deobandis, Izala), They are authorised by one source. Have you ever tried a translation outside those folds? Have ever tried a non-sectarian translation? Have you ever tried a more rational translation? i would recommend Quranix.org there are lots of translations to compare from.Moreover, You keep making a lot of noise about a full stop, May i remind you that there is no punctuations in the original Arabic text? let me make a lengthy correction about a misconception of the Quran and the prophet . The prophet was literate and wrote down the Quran with his own hands before he died. This is against the sectarian believe who will lie to prove anything. Please forgive me as i will copy paste the proves that muhammed was literate : Was Muhammad Illiterate?The verse 7:158 states that Muhammad was a gentile:”So you shall believe in God and His messenger, the gentile (ummy) prophet.”The Arabic word “ummy” describes people who are not Jewish or Christian. The meaning of this word, which occurs six times in the Quran, has been changed to ” one who can neither read nor write”. This deliberate manipulation by Muslim scholars has become widely accepted as the true meaning of the word. For example Yusuf Ali, in his translation, follows this pattern: “… So believe in God and His Apostle, the unlettered Prophet,…”. Marmaduke Pickthall's translation also reflects the same manipulation: “… So believe in Allah and His messenger, the prophet who can neither read nor write,..”. The Quran explains the true meaning of “ummy”Let's examine the true meaning of “ummy” in the Quran. Anyone can easily understand that “ummy” does not mean an illiterate person by reflecting on the verse 3:20 below: “And say to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not receive any scripture (ummyyeen)…”In this verse the word “ummy” describes Meccan idol worshipers. It is obvious that “ummy” does not mean illiterate because it has been used as the antonym of the people of the scripture. If the verse was ” … And say to those literate and illiterate”, then their above translation of “ummy” would be correct. According to the verse 3:20 the people of Arab peninsula were two main groups: 1. The people of the scripture, i.e., Jews and Christians.2. Gentiles, who were neither Jewish nor Christian.If the people who were neither Jews nor Christians were called “ummyyeen” (3:20; 3:75), then the meaning of “ummy” is very clear. As a matter of fact, the verse 3:75 clearly explains its meaning as gentile. Mecca was the cultural center of the Arabs in the 7th century. Poetry competitions were being held there. It is a historical fact that Meccans were not familiar with the Bible, thus they were gentiles. So the verse 62:2 describes Meccan people by the word “ummyyeen”: “He is the One who sent to the gentiles (ummyyeen) a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.” (62:2) The Quran does not classify the people of Arab peninsula as the literate and the illiterate, as Muslim scholars claim. The Quran classifies the people as people of the book (Jews & Christians) and gentiles. The second classification is the correct one, and the Quran supports it. The disbelievers claimed that Muhammad was quoting verses from the Old and New Testaments (25:5; 68:15). The verse below refutes their accusation and gives the answer:”You did not read any previous scriptures, nor did you write them with your hand. In that case, the objectors would have had reason to harbor doubts.” (29:48) This verse tells us that Muhammad did not read nor write previous scriptures. The word “min qablihi = previous” proves that Muhammad read and wrote the final scripture.Muhammad was a literate gentile (ummy) After this examination on the true meaning of the word “ummy”, here are the reasons and proofs for the fact that Muhammad was a literate gentile:ˆ To magnify the miraculous aspect of the Quran, religious people thought that the story of illiteracy would be alluring. ˆ The producer of the illiteracy story found it easy to change the meaning of “ummy”, which in the entire Quran, consistently means “gentile” (2:78; 3:20; 3:75; 62:2).ˆ The Arabs of the 7th century were using letters as numbers. This alphabetical numbering system is called “Abjed”. The merchants of those days had to know the letters of the alphabet to record their account. If Muhammad was a successful international merchant, then he most probably knew this numbering system. The Arabs stopped using the “Abjed” system in the 9th century when they took “Arabic numbers” from India. ˆ The Quran's spelling is unique. The mathematical miracle of the Quran, which proves that Quran is the word of God, confirms the unique spelling of the Quranic words. The different spellings of some words are not the personal preference of the scribes. For example, the words “salat”, “zakat”, “hayat” are written with “waw” instead of “alif”. In verse 3:96 the name of Mecca is spelled as “Bacca”. The word “bastatan” is written with “seen” throughout the Quran, except in 7:69 where it is written with “saad”. ˆ If you write the first verse of the first revelation with Basmalah, you will conclude that Muhammad was literate. We know that Basmalah has 19 letters, the first revelation i.e., 96:1-5 consists of 76 (19×4) letters, this first chronological chapter consists of 19 verses and is placed first of the last 19 chapters and has 285 (19×15) letters. (The code 19 will be mentioned in the next questions). This information explains the different spelling of the word “bism” in the beginning of the Basmalah and in the first verse of chapter 96. You decide; is it reasonable for an illiterate to dictate two different spellings of the same word which is pronounced the same? ˆ Traditional history books accept that Muhammad dictated the Quran and controlled its recording. Even if we accept that Muhammad did not know how to read or write before revelation of the Quran, we can not claim that he preserved his illiteracy during 23 years while he was dictating the Quran. ˆ The first revelation was “Read,” and the first five verses of that revelation encourage reading and writing (96:1-5). The second revelation was “The pen and writing” (68:1).I am sure that should be enough based on reason, you are not compelled to read the mathematical argument, i think the other evidence would do.To continue, This is what a study for an interpretation without the full stop gave on a webpage;” As you may have noticed, interpretation of the last part of 3:7 depends on how one punctuates the verse. (There is no punctuation in the original Arabic text.) If one stops after the word “God”, then one will assume, as centuries of Sunni and Shiite scholars have, that even those who possess deep levels of knowledge will never be able to understand the “mutashabih” verses. However, if the sentence does not stop there, the meaning will change to the opposite: Those who possess knowledge will be able to understand the meaning of allegorical or multiple meaning verses…..” The reasons they gave for adopting the translation without the full stop;REASON ONE: The passage clearly emphasizes the unhealthy intentions of those who fail tounderstand multiple-meaning verses. With the disease of doubt in their hearts, they try to confuse others by focusing on their own faulty interpretations of these verses. We think that the passageemphasizes this point because the Quran tells us elsewhere that only sincere people possess thequalities necessary to understand the Quran (as emphasized in 17:46; 18:57; and 54:17).REASON TWO: The Quran tells us repeatedly that it is easy to understand. (It does so at manypoints, including 5:15; 11:1; 26:195; 54:17; and 55:1-2.). If one punctuates this verse in the traditionalway, there is an apparent contradiction – the Quran is, at least in some places, impossible for any human being to understand — and Muslims maintain that the Quran does not contradict itself.We believe the Quran broadcasts a very clear, coherent message. However, there is sometimes aproblem with our receiver. If our receiver does not hear the broadcast or cannot understand it well, then something is wrong with our receiver and we have to check it. If the signal is weak, we need torecharge our batteries, or reset our antennas. If we do not receive a clear message, we need to set ourtuning to the right station in order to get rid of the noises and interference from other sources. We may, of course, ask for some help from knowledgeable people or experts for this task. If the receiverdoes not work at all, then we have to make a sincere effort to fix the broken parts. However, if webelieve that the problem is in the broadcast, then nobody can help us.REASON THREE: It is beyond dispute that the Quran encourages Muslims to study its words withpatience. It advises us not to rush into understanding without sufficient knowledge (20:114).Nevertheless, it claims to be easy to understand (see REASON TWO, above). This, however, is not a contradictory position!Experience with the book suggests that both of these statements are accurate. Although it can beexplored for a lifetime without conquering all of its subtleties, the Quran, as a whole, is in fact quite easy to understand, revolving as it does around three basic ideas:• There is only one God.• This life is a test.• There will be an accounting for each individual after death.We know that the Quran really is comprehensible and worthy of sustained, careful study, just as it promises. Whoever opens his/her mind and heart as a monotheist and takes the time to study it, willunderstand it, and that this understanding will be enough for salvation. Such people will also beinspired to explore it deeply, and will find ample rewards for doing so. REASON FOUR: In order to acknowledge all the verses of the Quran, one does not need to be deeplyrooted in knowledge. To be an “acknowledging person” is a sufficient condition to acknowledge allthe verses. However, one needs to have deep knowledge of the Quran in order to understand “mutashabih” (multiple-meaning) verses accurately. Therefore, 3:7 mentions a narrow category (thosewho are deeply rooted in knowledge) in relation to those multiple-meaning verses.REASON FIVE: If we follow the orthodox punctuation and translation of 3:7, then, we must, by logical extension, establish a clear definition of what the “mutashabih” verses are … in order to avoidtrying vainly to understand them or teaching others based on them. We thus need a definitive list of the “mutashabih” verses in order to avoid being among those who are condemned in this verse. Thereis a problem, however: No one has ever been able to compile such a definitive list! What could thecriteria for the list possibly be? Surely one person's lack of understanding of a verse should not make a verse “taboo” for all other people. If that were the case, the lowest degree of understanding would bethe common denominator for understanding and interpreting the Quran! In this Alice-in-Wonderlandschool of thought, there would be a perpetual race towards ignorance!Unless one is committed to determining the truth by majority vote, then one may want to reflect uponthe five reasons listed here for interpreting the verse as we have.(A side note: There are a few Sunni commentators who support our understanding of this verse. For instance, the classic commentary of al-Baydawi prefers this understanding. Please note that Yusuf Alialso acknowledges this fact in the footnote of 3:7: “One reading, rejected by the majority ofCommentators, but accepted by Mujahid and others, would not make a break at the point marked Waqfa Lazim, but would run the two sentences together. In that case the construction would run: 'Noone knows its hidden meanings except God and those who are firm in knowledge. They say', etc.”)I will ask you, what reasons have the sources you quote given for sticking to a punctuation after the name of Allah?As for the verses you quoted((4:24(65:4) (4:89)), again, i will urge you to spread your logical tentacles and go for translations with translations in the light of logic, Not blind sectarian translations relying heavily on hearsay and unreliable historical sources. if you advocate logic, why do you still insist i go with translations that we all agree are not based on logic but hearsay. For the verses you quoted, i will again refer you to quranix.org for comparative translation. I will paste the link of some of the sources i referred to here so you go through them yourself. <a href="http://19.org/767/reformist-vs-sectarian/http://19.org/767/reformist-vs-sectarian/<br />Do well to go through it…….my entire response was this way cos i was quite busy……sorry if it was worrisome to read. Take care
@Dragoste7. His challenge has been debunked many a time, but his site is still up? Ask him how many times he has put his tails between his legs and run?
As a matter of fact he doesn't even exist!
hey faggot why are u using techonolgy invented by the kuffars tp spread ur hate. muslims are backward i propose we kill them all
religion kills people….any religion. forget religion , forget stuff written by people , religion and god are complete opposites…..because God is real and different from our limited intellect to understand his magnificence .
Religion has nothing to do with God. Religion is a dirty word that separates people, allows murdering others in the name of God. Religion is sick. It makes people thing when they quote a great book its the word of God….nooo. the great books were written by people….
My God is a physicist , he creates an atmosphere for me to live in, when I die, He The Great Physicist aloows me to become his messenger in the form of neutrinos , sub atomic particles, for now thats all we know as humans, I wish I had the dimension to understand Him a little more . But religion is a sick concept….if they were all right why are there so many?
"Moh means (false) attachment and madd means the intoxication due to arrogance. Lacking humility and greedy for everything – that is Mohammad for you. No wonder the Hindu scriptures may have prophesied about some demon."
Ha ha ha . . . Hindu hate!
"Will any of the Muslims here fly over to Peshawar, and tell this guy that he has misunderstood Islam? "
Why are you putting money up? If I manage to get in I will. . .? Where's my ticket?
"The majority of Muslims accept this version of islam you so want me to revert to, But this is what the Quran said about the world; Majority of people are unbelievers, and amongst the believers, majority will not believe unless they add i dol worship. So not being with the majority is not a worry for me."
Here you assume that you understand the Quran correctly and most others don't.Wahabis say the same.Barelvis say the same.Shias say the same.Sufis say the same.Ahmadis say the same.So what's the standard based on which you claim your accuracy?
Why do you think Quran didn't outlaw slavery?Why did it allow sex with female captives?(4:24) It should have said don't keep slaves,give them freedom.Now don't tell me Mohd. freed some slaves,because that'll be from hadith not the Quran.
Why does it allow marriage with girls who haven't even reached puberty? (65:4)
Why converts who become apostates should be killed?(4:89)
The only option,as I said are either drop these verses,or to stop their literal interpretation.
"i hate the blood shed, i hate the misogynistic ideologies and i am also in a fight to stop it." Don't you think covering a woman head to toe,not allowing her to converse with unrelated men,her having to share her husband with three others plus sex slaves, is misogynistic?
Finally,it's good you want apply logic on Quran.But then why use the Quran as standard for determining right and wrong,do's and don'ts?Isn't your conscience enough?Do we need a book to tell us that women should be respected,innocents should not be murdered,poor should be helped,sick should be treated,homosexuals shouldn't be killed,children should be encouraged to learn etc. etc.?
Why even keep a book which (as per you) is misinterpreted by most and leads to death,destruction and hatred between man and man?
Hello,sorry I missed this reply.It's not easy to keep track of comments in this format.
"You should have finished Quoting the verse 3:7.
…..Except Allah and those grounded in knowledge…… You craftily left that part out right?"
I didn't use any craft here sir/ma'am.I don't need to lie,because I've spent enough time on this book and I'm speaking White truth.
However,for all the sweet words you wrote in your last paragraph,why do I see a craft in your accusation above?
Let me demonstrate your 'craft' if I may call it by quoting the last part of 3:7:-
Sahih International:
"And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah.But those firm in knowledge say,"We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." …….."
See you craft?You were claiming the verse was "…….no one knows except Allah and those grounded in knowledge".
It is not!! It is "…no one knows except Allah (THERE IS A FULL STOP HERE STARTING A NEW SENTENCE) And those grounded in knowledge say we believe…."
Allah and the people grounded in knowledge are talked about in different sentences! It's said they believe whole of Quran(clear+unclear verses) is from Allah.
You made it seem that both Allah and those grounded in knowledge
know the meaning.Why did you drop the full stop and merge the sentences?
Who is being crafty?
Muhsin Khan:
"… but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." …….."
Yusuf Ali:
"……but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" …."
Dr. Ghali:
".. and in no way does anyone know its interpretation except Allah. And the ones firmly established in knowledge say, "We have believed in it; all is from the Providence of our Lord." And in no way does anyone constantly remember except the ones endowed with intellects"
Tell me why?
You are either knowingly/unknowingly accusing me of something you did?
"You call interpretations of Quran relying on historical collections as authentic.I WILL NOT ACCEPT SUCH SOURCES, I WOULD PREFERABLY GO FOR AN UPDATED WELL REASONED OUT UNDERTNADING OF THE WHOLE ISSUE."
Quran itself is a historical collection based on memory.It wasn't penned in Muhammad's lifetime! If you can accept Quran,why not the rest? Just because you believe Quran is from Allah? That's belief, not reason.
I've read it,and the only possible reasoned understanding of it is:- It was written by men in 7th century,based on observations of the surroundings from earth and information from various foreign people.There are much better books written on the non-spiritual subjects it deals with,and it makes much more sense to follow them in case of non-spiritual disciplines.
"You approve of people who think you should read the Qur'an without reasoning" Of course not! We are not talking of people here! We are talking of the book itself.I'm saying the book itself doesn't allow you to make twisted interpretation,as the book itself says it's clear.And the parts unclear are known only to Allah.So you can either take the straight meanings,or you can speculate the unclear verses.In the second case you'd be equating yourself to Allah.
"it hurts you to see an islam that is not male dominant and oppressive" No,I would have loved to see an Islam that's not oppressive.But for that Islam to exist,either:-
1)Some verses (like two women = 1 man,polytheists are unclean,don't take non-muslims as friends etc.) have to be edited out of the book.
Or:
2)People have to be discouraged to take the verses literally.
"Of course that God is a fake one, and Mohammad is a false prophet who wrote a book of rubbish stealing from other religions and inserting his own desires into the book. "
But you as Christian would say that . . . talk about stating the bleeding obvious!
"you're so eager to make an angel from a demon."
No – I am not. I don't think I have any such powers . . . nor claimed them. But on balance, i would say it is a good thing to make an angel of demon.
"Are you an Arab Amin or an Arabic specialist? "
I am not an Arab – But I know my way around Classical Arabic pretty well.
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"مضلل and ماكر have the same bad meaning no matter where they are used. These are nouns or adjectives. "
Makir in Arabic isn't just a – it is also an Active Participle. Classical Arabic has a category called – "governors with similarity to a Verb" Mushabih Fa'il.
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"But when the verb ضلل is being used, it can mean Bad or neutral thing depending on the context. "
True.
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"The verb مكر just like the adjective ماكر is never under the "good" category. "
This is simply your claim . . and given you bias . . . obvious you will claim this. But it is wrong . . .
Look at the verb under Taj Ul Urus for example – it has many positive connotations.
All words with several meanings depend on the context that they are applied under.
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"Mohammed planned for wars that weren't self defense and he killed innocents. So you see مكر fits perfectly here."
Here you are confusing the issues. This isn't the context of the word "مكر " as applied in the Quran. Those verses have their own context.
Isn't this OBVIOUSLY er. . . deceptive of you?
""Mohammed planned for wars that weren't self defense and he killed innocents. "
No he didn't.
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"I have to go now, I'll get back when I can. I'm travelling and exploring the presence of our supernatural God. You should try that, I guarantee you'll find him and see his Love and Power.
Hint: you won't find what you're looking for in Mecca. "
Petty.
No I meant the combination Quran-Allah is the claim Book-God that can't prove anything. God can't be proven only by a book that he wrote about himself since you claim that Mohamad only transferred the Perfect word of God no more then God is allegedly the writer of the Quran.
Of course that God is a fake one, and Mohammad is a false prophet who wrote a book of rubbish stealing from other religions and inserting his own desires into the book.
There you go . . . you beat your own argument.
you're so eager to make an angel from a demon. Are you an Arab Amin or an Arabic specialist?
مضلل and ماكر have the same bad meaning no matter where they are used. These are nouns or adjectives.
But when the verb ضلل is being used, it can mean Bad or neutral thing depending on the context.
The verb مكر just like the adjective ماكر is never under the "good" category.
"However not all wars are wrong . . . War against Hitler for example."
Who has the right to decide which war is right and which is wrong? Who to die and who to live?
Yes, self defense is not wrong but killing innocents at any time/place is wrong. By innocents I mean no matter what their religion is.
Mohammed planned for wars that weren't self defense and he killed innocents. So you see مكر fits perfectly here.
I have to go now, I'll get back when I can. I'm travelling and exploring the presence of our supernatural God. You should try that, I guarantee you'll find him and see his Love and Power.
Hint: you won't find what you're looking for in Mecca.
"You're the only one with no evidence here. "
How so?
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"Define how. The Jews/Christians have a name for their God as well as a supernatural presence. "
And that matters because? Muslims to have those names . . . and more!
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"exactly, your Ilah could be anything a pagan God nothing more. "
Or The God. As it simply implies.
"the combination Quran-Allah"
Quran is name of the book . . . are you cliaming it wrote itself?
Make it more clear pls. Do you mean Mohammad writing the book himself – Quran and claiming it to be from Allah (God), whereas in actuality it is not?
Mohammad himself was writing his ideas in the Quran via a third person (Allah? – that is, making Allah his mouthpiece.
the combination Quran-Allah
"You're good in finding excuses."
When you know you are clearly wrong . . .then anything differing to call it excuses simply highlights your short comings.
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"well the word ضلل can be also used as like for someone who escaped and others lost track of him. "
There you go . . . you beat your own argument. Hence if you read the actual verses . . . the word simply مكر does not mean "to deceive". Neither is the implication any wider than the given context.
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"the word ماكر even if used to someone planning a war, it's still despicable and despicable is good for wars.
Isn't Satan the master of wars?
How can be the peaceful someone who encourages killings and war? "
If and only IF planning for war. However not all wars are wrong . . . War against Hitler for example.
huh? This makes no sense . . . Arabic word for god is Illah
exactly, your Ilah could be anything a pagan God nothing more.
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Or . . . the same God as Jews and Christians. Why does the notion have to be from the Pagans?
Define how. The Jews/Christians have a name for their God as well as a supernatural presence.
You're the only one with no evidence here.
You meant "Allah".
You're good in finding excuses. well the word ضلل can be also used as like for someone who escaped and others lost track of him.
the word ماكر even if used to someone planning a war, it's still despicable and despicable is good for wars.
Isn't Satan the master of wars?
How can be the peaceful someone who encourages killings and war?
"Ok smart Guy. I can name Allah to a chair if I believe that the chair is The God. "
huh? This makes no sense . . . Arabic word for god is Illah.
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"Way to go from a powerful God that has a name and seen among his people to just an assumption. "
Or . . . the same God as Jews and Christians. Why does the notion have to be from the Pagans?
You present no evidence . . . mere claims.
Ok smart Guy. I can name Allah to a chair if I believe that the chair is The God.
Way to go from a powerful God that has a name and seen among his people to just an assumption.
Quran
Yes of course but I meant an active presence, not the one that you can assume but one that no one can deny. A supernatural presence.
What?
Yes . . .
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article6287…
Hindu government that twists and lies. When it suited USA – it officially used to decry Indian govt. treatment of Kashmiris – Since becoming allies – much of that has gone quiet. One wonders why..
"Muhammad said Allah is the best deceiver."
That is NOT what is in the Quran. . . where have you "logical fallacies" gone now?
Read any classical dictionary of of Arabic – It will mention the word مكر means to to strategy against.
Then go back and look what the whole context of the speech is.
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" This to me proves Allah is devil because God cannot be a deceiver while Satan is a deceiver."
No it doesn't – unless you believe in what the Bible say. Which you claim you don't.
Where is the confliction? God is always present with us this is what eternal entity means.
"If I write a book saying that I am God and the book is my only proof. Is it considered a proof? Can I blame people for not believing that I am God. "
Who is claiming to be a God – by writing a book?
"You got one thing right, Allah is originated from Pagans (and not just the name). "
Meaningless claim. Allah is from the word Elohim . . . isn't it? Simply meaning the God.
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"So any time they call you hate monger, stand up against them, and call them traitors, accessories of terrorism and instruments of evil."
In other words "hatemonger" your answer to strengthen in hate. . . oh the cleverness of it!
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This is why when you i pointed out how wrong you were over the musayoon – in what you were claiming – rather than "check it out" . . . what did you resort to . . . lies.
And you were straight in there with lets forget about this verse.
Right or wrong doesn't matter to you – HENCE you are simply here for hate mongering.
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All you are good at is this kind of spiel – when it comes down to business – you aint got what it takes. Proof?
Your book.
" مخادع, مضلل, خادع, محتال, ماكر "
No they don't – the word مكر has several meanings – for example good planning – or war planning.
Taj ul Urus.
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Words like ضلل have no such connotations.
I'll answer that,but do you agree that arguing about God and Satan doesn't require belief in their existence?
"And even if they are being forced by their parents, what has it got to do with you Loki?"
Children are the future.It's not only mine,but also your responsibility to ensure they are not harmed.Suppose parents teach children to bomb the neighbor's house,would you say it's no one's business so it should not be stopped?
Children are impressionable.They shouldn't be fed biases that they struggle to get out of their whole life.That's the least of what religion teaches.They also create divides among innocent children.I'm also not suggesting, teach them there's no God.That's why the educational bodies apply so much mind before deciding what's right for School Kids.Teaching children questionable dogma is unacceptable.
"That's a translation. Read it in Arabic. the word "Makir" means deciever. Don't soften the language. God is the best of deceivers.
If people were plotting against Mohammad, God's way is to give them light. Satan's way is to be a better deceiver and win against them."
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What you attribute as my translation isn't mine – it is Sahih International.
"God's way is to give them light."
This doesn't bear out . . . for example what happened to those who plotted against Jesus? Why weren't they shown any "light".
Also – the verse which decries Satan as "deceiver" in Arabic is ضلل and that is to lead astray and misguide. It does not have the same connotation as مكر
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"Elohim (or Majesty) is "Athama- عظمة" in Arabic and not " Al Moutakabir – المتكبر" which means pride. There is a difference. God is Great(Majestic) but also humble. "
"God is humble" is simply your line. What is God humble about?
Elohim – is the word that eventually in Arabic came to mean Allah – both have basic meaning of God. Elohim does not equal in anyway to "عظمة" of Arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Juda…
One etymology of Elohim is the one who is feared and revered.
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"Pride is a sin in the bible, you can't claim that Islam is the continued path of the Abrahamic religion and Allah is the same God if there is no consistency in the teachings or the ideology. "
Not all pride is sin . . . for example the pride on has for his children as a parent. Try reading up on the word.
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"No they're bad. "
Just saying it won't make it true.
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"care to name the qualities? "
Your own words:
""According to the bible Satan always claims ownership of this world and has many deceiving faces. He gives commands as if he's God. Jesus warned against him and his followers, like when he said "Wolves dressed in sheep's clothing". " "
If Satan is taking ownership of the world and so is God. Then there is the word Elohim – one to be feared and revered. Majesty, Might Power, Guidance/Misguidance . . . http://bible.org/article/names-god
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"I'm sorry if you can't see the logic. "
What logic? Taking things out of context and mentioning something that fits your argument yet leaving those that don't – both are logically fallacious.
You cannot claim fallacies as logical!
Ali Sina. For me to get a diagnosis if I am ill, I must go to a medical doctor. For me to travel via aeroplane, I must have faith in the pilot flying the plane who must be qualified. For me to get my car checked out, I must go to a qualified mechanic. For me to invest my money, I must go to a qualified fund manager. For me to get my teeth checked out, I must go to a qualified dentist. For me to get a driving licence, I must pass my test. So, for me to understand the Quran, I must understand the Arabic. And for you to explain the Quran, you must also be proficient in Arabic.
In the same token for you to make any claims, I must determine your credentials via due diligence. Name one thing you are famous (except the Islam bashing) for, or have invented in the line of Islam? Where can you claim specialism in the field you so openly make harp on about?
At least Mohammed has the Quran and over 1.57 subscribers, worth trillions and trillions of dollars. What do you have? A 6th Edition Book not even worth the paper it's written on, a handful of followers and a budget of $300 dollars per year! Please.
The reason why you are not interested in guiding people like me is because people like me can see right through you and see you for who you are. A deluded con artist racist hate mongering fascist garbage article recycler.
Unfortunately for you, when the the layers are lifted and a thorough due diligence is carried out on you, it's all hat and no cattle.
Like I told you before, I will tell you again, Islam will never be defeated in your lifetime, and if it is, I will be the first one to denounce Islam and give away my fortune to whomever you wish in your cause. This is my promise to you, which I will even have drawn up in my will in case I die. I will personally have this promise legalised.
By your own admission, predictions are made using historical data and current data. And everything points towards the growth of Islam for years and centuries to come.
"Rather Islam came as same message delivered to mankind which was forgotten by mankind. "
Rather mankind forgot that God is always present with us.
مخادع, مضلل, خادع, محتال, ماكر
all works for deceiver and carry the same meaning.
Quran mentioned prophets before Muhammad(pbuh) !
Quran mentioned books sent by Allah before Quran !
There was no surprise in 7th century that Allah was first time revealed to mankind. Rather Islam came as same message delivered to mankind which was forgotten by mankind. The final Revelation.
No one believes or disbelieves because of "fear" – unless you physically force them to believe.
Not even fools. Especially not fools.
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" Irrational fear is the weapon of Allah ( =SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD) "
Now you are just making it up.
Actually it depends on which "version" you read . . .
This for example:
"A war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels were fighting against the dragon and its angels. 8 But the dragon lost the battle. It and its angels were forced out of their places in heaven 9 and were thrown down to the earth. Yes, that old snake and his angels were thrown out of heaven! That snake, who fools everyone on earth, is known as the devil and Satan. "
Makes no such suggestion . . . that of any deceiver. . . .
What is HUGELY interesting is reading this Biblical verse in Arabic:
فِي السَّماءِ. 9
وَأُلقِيَ التِّنِّينُ الضَّخمُ إلَى الأسفَلِ، وَهُوَ تِلكَ الحَيَّةُ القَدِيمَةُ الَّتِي تُدعَى إبلِيسَ أوِ الشَّيطانَ، وَالَّتِي تُضَلِّلُ كُلَّ ساكِنِي الأرْضِ. سَقَطَ هُوَ وَمَلائِكَتُهُ مَعَهُ
Now here the word used – is "تُضَلِّلُ " which has different connotations than the word مكر
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All this is comparing translations of two books. I think Book of revelations is Koine Greek. it would be interesting to actually read what the word means in the original language.
No I'm not a polytheist.
I just asked to prove God outside Quran then prove that he is God of the Quran. It's simple if God exists and is all powerful like Quran says he is then this shouldn't be a problem.
If I write a book saying that I am God and the book is my only proof. Is it considered a proof? Can I blame people for not believing that I am God.
Tell you what, that's my challenge:
Prove me God outside the books. If you can't then admit that you can't and bring the same challenge to me.
You are polytheist ! This is not about my god and your god.
God outside Quran ? get it right what "eternal entity" means.
"I don't know what school you went to, but 1 of 2 possibilities is always going to be 50%. i.e. six of one and half a dozen of the other"
Sorry dear,there is no scope for argument or opinion here.You are plainly 'wrong'.The probability will never be 50% for just two outcomes unless both the outcomes are "equally likely".That is classical probability theorem-page 1 of any probability book.Unfortunately,you are arguing on this without proper concepts.This means you are arguing for the sake of argument.
Let me explain with a simple example.
Let's try to answer the question-what's the probability that "a person will be struck by lightning in his life"?Here again there are two outcomes-he will be struck and he won't be.
Is the answer then 50%? Just because there are two outcomes?
Think.
Empirical evidence suggests that the above probability is 1/576000 which is much much lower than 1/2.
After you have thought it through,I am "copy-pasting" the definition of probability from "Elementary Probability" book by Stirzaker
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In the case of a fair coin,of course,there are only two "equally likely" chances to P(Head)=50% and P(Tail)=50%.This particular case of equal probabilities has passed into the language in the expression a “fifty-fifty” chance.
In general, this argument (or expression of our intuition) leads to the following definition of probability:-
Suppose that some procedure with a random outcome has n distinct possible outcomes, and suppose further that by symmetry (or by construction or supposition) these
outcomes are "equally likely". Then if A is any collection of r of these outcomes, we define P(A)=r/n
=
number of outcomes in A/total number of outcomes
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The above probability model is called classical probability model.It's true "only if" you "suppose" that the outcomes are "equally likely".Only then you can divide the number of favorable outcomes by total outcomes i.e. in your case 1/2 = 50%
In practical scenarios,this "equal likelihood" is established by observing repetitions followed by statistical adjustments.As it was done in the Lightning case.After a sufficiently large number of repetitions,probability of an outcome is defined as = number of occurrences of the outcome/total number of outcomes.
My question to you was simple.From which experiment are you concluding the equal likelihood? By daydreaming?
Because by now it should be clear to you that just two outcomes doesn't necessitate 50% chance?
If you are clear with this we can proceed.
"I don't know what school you went to" I could have told you,but I don't want to brag as I have made clear earlier too.By the way,you seem to be a South Asian,may have emigrated to the States/Europe/Dubai/Riyadh.Am I right?
"But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners."
That's a translation. Read it in Arabic. the word "Makir" means deciever. Don't soften the language. God is the best of deceivers.
If people were plotting against Mohammad, God's way is to give them light. Satan's way is to be a better deceiver and win against them.
See the difference?
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Elohim (or Majesty) is "Athama- عظمة" in Arabic and not " Al Moutakabir – المتكبر" which means pride. There is a difference. God is Great(Majestic) but also humble.
Pride is a sin in the bible, you can't claim that Islam is the continued path of the Abrahamic religion and Allah is the same God if there is no consistency in the teachings or the ideology.
"The attributes you highlight are simply the ones that can either be good or bad."
No they're bad.
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"Even the God of Bible shares qualities that Lucifer possess!"
care to name the qualities?
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You daon't have a logical argument for . . . simply an illogical argument.
I'm sorry if you can't see the logic.
And even if they are being forced by their parents, what has it got to do with you Loki?
It's none of your business, is it not?
Or are you the world's children's defender now given the mandate by every child?
"Jesus" is of Aramaic/Hebrew origin and it means Yahweh is salvation.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End" That's what the God of Christians an Jews claimed.
Allah VS Yahweh/Jesus
Islam says Allah is the same eternal entity without beginning nor end
Everyone claims that his God is the only one, without beginning or end. But not everyone can prove it. and I see you can't because you didn't answer my previous challenge:
"If you are to prove God outside Quran, and prove that he is Allah of Quran, can you do it?"
You got one thing right, Allah is originated from Pagans (and not just the name).
You Islamophobes have nothing better to do? Same old monotonous arguments.
For your information,the verse you guys are SO fond of,8:30,
Wa yamkuroona Wa yamkurullah;Wallahu khairul maakireen means,
They plot and plan,and Allah too plans;but the best of planners is Allah.
I don't see the word deceiver there?
Crack your brain and come up with something new. This isn't going to work.
"No I don't hold everything in the bible as truth but I'm clarifying where the comparison came from. "
To cite something out of context and partially – is logically fallacious.
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Where your argument begins to fall down is that 8:30 actually says. . .
Sahih International
And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.
It is not simply stating that Allah is best of deceivers . . . but against those who plot to deceive Prophet Muhammad – obviously Allah being omnipotent is simply better at even that.
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Bible – of course says nothing of the sort about the Devil – Lucifer. Hence you fitted the argument – which false and fallacious.
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"Lucifer's first sin was Pride which also one of Allah's names: المتكبر
Many of Allah's names were given to Satan in the bible: likeThe Avenger المنتقم and the harmful الضار"
1. Again – you only point out the qualities that "supposedly" fit . . . and not the ones that just don't.
2. The attributes you highlight are simply the ones that can either be good or bad. Pride – for example.
3. Even God of Bible possess these qualities – "Elohim" is one of his names – means about the same as Mutakabir.
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"According to the bible Satan always claims ownership of this world and has many deceiving faces. He gives commands as if he's God. Jesus warned against him and his followers, like when he said "Wolves dressed in sheep's clothing". "
Even the God of Bible shares qualities that Lucifer possess!
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"If you think you have a logical argument against people who say Allah = Satan by saying "Who is Iblees", you're actually deceiving yourself. "
You daon't have a logical argument for . . . simply an illogical argument.
You still here dung sniffer Raj? I thought you were out in the fields sniffing some dung and getting high?
It's an anti Islamic website which has a write up by you with a picture as a signature seal. (with a woman sitting next to you with short hair). Whether it is you or not, you will never admit it anyway. So for all I care it is you and you do look like a fatter version of Om Puri.
As far as money is concerned, pull the other one. Your motivation is money and nothing else. If not, why beg for donations and why offer $50,000 in your challenge? Additionally, why sell your book and why move from Iran for a better lifestyle?
It's all about the Benjamins and you damn well know it.
You are like messing up with nomenclatures of Almighty Allah/God
Origin of word God
"God" was the word the pagan teutonic people of northern europe used for their demonic objects of worship. When they were Christianized, they simply switched the word from their demon gods to the Creator.
Origin of word Jesus
"Jesus" is actually from the Greek "Iesus," which refers to the pagan god, Zeus.
Origin of Allah
Previously used by pagan Meccans as a creator
Allah = al- "the" and ʾilah "God (the God)
As in shahada Muslim reject all other and accept Allah as only God
"There is no God but Allah"
Islam says Allah is the same eternal entity without beginning nor end .
Ali, do everyone a favor by taking Sina's Challenge. This shouldn't be hard if Islam is the absolute "Truth". Prove him wrong and give that 50,000$ to Zakat.
Worthless 🙂
Not in your lifetime Ali Sina, not in your lifetime. You will never see the demise of Islam in your lifetime. That is one thing I am sure of and can take to the bank. If in your lifetime, Islam is eradicated, not only will I denounce Islam, I will transfer all my fortune to wherever you say and trust me, it is way over the $50,000 you have promised.
By the way, how can you give $50,000 in your challenge when you can barely muster $300 per year. Are you 'cooking' the books?
No I don't hold everything in the bible as truth but I'm clarifying where the comparison came from. You're using Quran as an argument which isn't much of an argument is it?
Lucifer protects from Lucifer?
I'll give you a logical argument:
some Arab governments caught lately Israeli spies. Those spies posed as good Arabs who are against Israel. Some worked in the government and allegedly gave tips against Israel. One of the spies worked in a communication company and his Job was supposed to spy on Israel and uncover Israeli spies.
Israel protects from Israel? I don't think so.
It's just a mask that any criminal/evil puts on to hide his true intentions.
Uh!!!! Where is Lucifer ?? hello >>echo>>>>>>
You're funny, let me try:
Uh!!!! Where is Iblees ?? hello >>echo>>>>>>
Uh!!!! Where is Allah ?? Allah You're a fake, hello >>echo>>>>>>
You asked for logical, well here you go:
If you are to prove God outside Quran, and prove that he is Allah of Quran, can you do it?
Loki mate. I don't know what school you went to, but 1 of 2 possibilities is always going to be 50%. i.e. six of one and half a dozen of the other.
When you go out on a limb and say 'There are two possible outcomes – God exists and doesn't exist'. It does mean they have an equal chance of being one or the other. It either is or is not. Simple.
We are not talking Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or an 'ism' here. We are talking you (atheism) and me (Islam). You hold the position there is not and I hold the position, there is., which means it's a 50/50 chance one of us is correct.
Unfortunately, you are operating a 'false cause' fallacy. One such mistake in thinking is the 'cum hoc ergo propter hoc' (with this, therefore because of this) fallacy in which someone presumes that because things are happening together that one thing is therefore the cause of the other. The mistake lies in ignoring the possibility that there may be a common cause to both things happening, or, that the two things in question have no causal relationship at all, and their apparent connection is just a coincidence. Another common variation is the 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' (after this, therefore because of this) fallacy in which a causal connection is assumed because one thing happens prior to another thing happening, therefore the second thing must be caused by the first thing.
Like I said and already proved, I am always going to have a 50% advantage over you in the current positions we hold, because it is 1 of 2 options.
You said something according to bible which you hold as truth. Well this is not an argument !!!
You guys are so stupid to think that omnipotent God gave special permission to world to call "Allah's" name more than Him!!
According to Islam
Allah is the same .as God of universe.
We muslim read " A'uzu billahi min ash shaitani r rajimi"(I seek protection from Allah against the Satan) [Lucifer protects from Lucifer?]
Allah is Most Gracious, Most Merciful [ Aw Lucifer is so great ]
Uh!!!! Where is Lucifer ?? hello >>echo>>>>>>
What is the concept behind halala? He is a temporary man to marry someone's wife so she can become lawful to him
You still say someone¨s wife dummy even they are divorced . How can you dummy get married with someone else wife , if they are still married . The dumb is you . Nobody refers to ex wife as my wife . There is no such a thing as temporary husband in Islam . Marriage in Islam is the intention to build family and not to have plan in advance to divorce the woman later . Once you divorced your wife she moves on with her life . She is no longer under your control . If she sleeps with somebody else is not your business she used to be your wife . After divorcing her three times the woman has to try love and marriage with somebody else this is the reason why it is forbiden for her first husband to marries again until she experiences new love maybe it was your fault that marriage did not work . Islam gives her new hope for new life . The man who marries her he knows nothing about you and he is not even interested in talking to you , you know that liar . He got married with her not on bases to help you get her back , but rather to start a family with her . You make it sound that the marriage of an ex wife with another man is meant for only one purpose is to become lawful to her ex husband in case he wants to get her back . I do not know from where did you get that stupid conclusion. No dummy it does not work that way . Yes she becomes lawfull to her ex husband , but that was not the reason why she got married , you got that dummy ? . I have no doubt in my mind that you are mentally disturb person you need to seek help . Somebody is willing to change concepts such as refering to ex wife as my wife in order to show a religion in bad image to me is sick person . As for halala is simply means to make it lawful and this is not the purpose of the marriage . The purpse of the marriage is love or to build family . The couples who misuse it are cursed by God as prophet says in Hadith .
Ali let me make it easy for you, Iblees is the arabic word for Satan. Satan in the bible holds the name "Lucifer" a fallen angel. The way "Lucifer" is described in the bible fits perfectly the description of "Allah" in Quran (being the deceiver and all سورة الأنفال – ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرين).
Lucifer's first sin was Pride which also one of Allah's names: المتكبر
Many of Allah's names were given to Satan in the bible: likeThe Avenger المنتقم and the harmful الضار
It's not just about names. According to the bible Satan always claims ownership of this world and has many deceiving faces. He gives commands as if he's God. Jesus warned against him and his followers, like when he said "Wolves dressed in sheep's clothing".
If you think you have a logical argument against people who say Allah = Satan by saying "Who is Iblees", you're actually deceiving yourself.
Iblees is the wolf who is dressed in sheep's clothing Allah. Allah is the public/deciever face of Iblees. I hope you'll be able to see that one day.
Only if you are in a Muslim/Islamic country then only I can arrange for sending some Bangladeshi families.
Will your country give refuge to these Bangladeshi Muslim families?
They do not need just funds and temporary relief. They need a place where they can earn their livelihood and which they may call their home.
If so, I will venture into this humanitarian work sincerely.
Which country you come from?
Leave it Loki…so called Allah has drawn veil, on the hearts and ears of the disbelievers…"at the same time he has drawn veil on the brains of the believers"…so they dont get the least of the notion of reasoning… this later verse was eaten by a holy goat after Mohammad's death with stoning and suckling an adult verses…
No matter how you manifest omnipresence of Allah in free electrons of universe or in simple belief. There is no God but Allah
I said organized . Please write email . You will be blessed for initiatives
http://www.islamic-relief.com/whoweare/enquiryFor…
No. They need your home. That is the condition. They do not need temporary relief. They want a home, a place they can call their own. If say in your neighborhood there are 50 muslim families, then we can arrange for 50 Bangladeshi families of 4 each. Please provide for their work, food and shelter. Of course, they will reward you with their blessings and litters also.
We are organized !
http://www.islamic-relief.com
There is no dot. Try using my username, ghetto !
You low life, try to understand I compared act with criticizing. So learn to digest things. Just don't vomit or start farting !
Criticism is way honored job and have good intentions. Not filthy like you blaming , scolding , evoking Muslims on internet and greeting , eating with them in real life. Hypocrite !
Not that your comment had any merit,as usual,but I did find it amusing that you found nothing more interesting to imagine than me farting, and also noted the ease with which I did it 🙂
You have a rich,detailed imagination 🙂
Is that why you imagined Allah?
"You being an atheist are taking a 50/50 risk by not accepting and 'believing' in a God"
LOL You say that because your basic idea of probability is flawed 🙂 If your statement is true,it means that the chance of God's existence is 50%.And you came to that figure by? Daydreaming? There are two possible outcomes – God exists and doesn't exist. But that doesn't mean that the outcomes are equally likely!
The most you can say is since probability of existence of Allah is technically >0, as is the probability of existence of Frankenstein, and since Quran claims that Allah is such a big buffoon that he fries people just for 'not believing in him',hence you are taking 'less' risk than me.But neither can you quantify 'how less',nor can you establish that your portfolio is less risky than that of a few hundred Jarwas living on a secluded Island of Bay of Bengal.
With that much uncertainty you really want to boast about your choice?
"I, on the other hand am taking a zero percent risk" Even that is wrong.A Christian or a Hindu or a Tribal believing in Forest God can also make the same claim as you do! Does it mean all of you have zero risk? If Christ comes out to be true, you'll be burned in hell eternally 🙂 Now does your "zero-risk" position seem a bit risky? LOL
"What have I got to lose following Islam, if you are correct?" For one you'd save a lot of time on prayers,Hajj and similar useless stuff and will use it in more productive purposes.Maybe save time you spend in typing on this forum too!(Although you resort to more copy-paste,thus saving time 🙂 ).
From an extremely selfish point of view,and if morals mean nothing to you, maybe you'll lose nothing 'major' if there is no Allah.But is the reason why you're a muslim that petty?I though you were pious,and loved Allah and Muhammad? LOL If not,don't give ME that crap.You didn't do that analysis to accept Islam.If you had really done it,you obviously need a rethink on the riskiness.
"you can dress up the atrocities by atheism however much you want, they will still remain atrocities and that is exactly what you did.At least you was predictable"
I did not dress up atrocities! LOL I said China does inhuman crimes.Stalin was as evil as Laden or Mussolini. Your problem is you think in a channel 🙂 You assumed I will 'dress up' atrocities, whereas I didn't 🙂 I said these are atrocities!
I only said if I am someway responsible for Stalin's crimes, then all people who don't like to keep hair on their heads are responsible for the Wisconsin Gurdwara attack! Because they are similar in the aspect that none of them like hair on their heads! That's how silly your argument is. It's also in a way similar to, but not same as, saying all muslims are responsible for 9/11 or London bombings. Are you stupid enough to say that?
I don't know how you don't get this. It's fairly simple. Probably because of your tunnel vision.
So you did not tell me your address. Some poor Bangladeshi Muslim families will give you blessings. If you tell me your address, I will ask them to contact your local embassy in Bangladesh.
If things go as planned, they will be at your door next week.
You guessed it right ! The common denominator is Islam. All of them are following this evil ideology.
You sometime blame Saudi for mistreating Bangladeshi then blame Bangladeshi for stealing, dishonesty !!
I read your some posts and your responses are contradictions . Next you are going to pop and start bashing Muslims..
Stupid
You can mess with some jihadist who hate you as much you hate Muslims . Good luck
// Let's say you criticize communism.Does that mean you shun any friends who are communists?No.My friends who are muslims by birth are mostly highly educated and intelligent.Most of them see the obvious nonsense in Islam and don't follow the idiotic rules.Those who do follow,are intelligent enough to understand the difference between criticizing an ideology and criticizing its adherents.Some of their grandparents,who are bathed in decades of hate,advice them to not make friends with 'kaffirs'.But they have the strength of mind to follow their conviction like I do in being an atheist despite my whole family being very orthodox.I hope you'll understand it henceforth. //
The dot is actually becoming a kafir – if you look at the original literal meaning of the word kafir – to conceal, to hide
Dot doctor has also diagnosed your problems/symptoms as metabolic disorder and has prescriptions for you.
Will anyone prescribe medicines for priapism for dot doctor please? Dot doctor needs to be urgently treated.
Good one!
Get out of your dense complex egotism ! No body care where you waste your borrowed resources. I did see criticizing is as easy as farting for you, get treated for your metabolic disorder first !
Robert Spencer likes are culprits as they are open but this is a truth that you are hypocrite.
It is due to these Bangladeshi illegal immigrants that two lost were lives in Mumbai and the memorial to the Unknown Soldier destroyed.
You people are not patriotic. You will never understand.
There has been a continuous influx from the poor but uncontrolled Muslim population of Bangladesh. They have so many wives, so many children. No values. Just drive them out on the streets. Push them into India, Burma, etc.
Why do these pests produce children like anything?
Because of religious belief. Having a vigorous sexual appetite – they cannot starve themselves. And due to their religious beliefs they will not go for birth controls. What happens finally? A tiny land called Bangladesh having more than 10 crore population. Half of it is in India.
These Muslim scums wherever they go, carry their life without any education/values. Result. Rape and stealing increases wherever they go.
They are not able to mix with the local population like sugar in milk. They steal for money. They rape to satisfy their ever increasing lust. This is what happens and is happening.
On the one hand, the mullahs say no birth control. The litters that come along with it – the mullah's refuse to have anything to do with these litters – except for sodomizing. Other way these mullahs help is by making them gay.
This is Islamic contribution – the Muslims of Bangladesh.
If you are living in some Islamic country – kindly arrange to get some of these illegal immigrants into your country and help your co religionist. Perhaps you can provide them home and shelter also. If you cannot, at least you can spare one of your rooms and may be adopt two or three of their children also. Islamic charity and kindness should know no bounds. Perhaps these Bangladeshis will help become playmates for your children also. You will get one brother who will share some house burden of yours.
A win win situation for you and your poor Bangladeshi muslim brother.
Similarly you can help locate some of your friends who too will willingly and happily provide some other illegal Bangladeshi immigrants some shelter, food and work.
Contact some of your madrassa in Bangladesh and do the needful.
Islamic humanity will be thankful to you.
Do provide me with your forwarding address. I will try to contribute a family of four Bangladeshi Muslim brothers of yours.
Nice beating not in the sense of killing.
What I meant was Muslims just bleat like goats when confronted by Chinese and Burmese military. This is a fact.
That is the beating – not the killing. The beating with a military stick. To discipline.
I would have written killing – had I meant.
There is a difference in beating and killing. Beating in the sense in sports/games we beat our opponents. Thrashing.
I enjoyed the way, the illegal Bangladesh immigrants have to flee. But then they have no where to go, as even Bangladesh shut its door on their face.
You will not get it. You will never understand it.
Well I thought that seldom you are capable of a discussion.But naah,understanding is beyond your scope.
Henceforth,I won't waste my resources on you.Maybe someone with more sense will pick up the difference between your allegation against me and the truth.
"But you still use God and Satan in your defence and counter argument, despite not believing in it's existence?"
Yes I can! Can't you argue about whether Harry Potter could kill Voldemort or not before the last book was written? For that do you need to believe that they exist? Now is it clear that your claim is ridiculous?
"The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove.
The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever"
I found this bit a little too pedantic for you.And guess what?You copy pasted the definition of Burden of proof!!
And why did you do that?
How is "burden of proof" relevant to this discussion?
"a marksman shooting randomly at barns and then painting bullseye targets around the spot" Even more copy-paste!! You guys love this don't you? Do you even know the stuff you are copy pasting?
I committed neither of those two logical fallacies.
"Anyway, no one is forcing any of us to believe or not to believe" If that was true,I'd be okay with that position.But it really isn't.Young children are forced to religion by their parents.
Zionist not Jews.
Chameleon ! you said nice beating I know you were enjoying.
Kill Muslims is neither larger humanity nor Golden Rule.
Better keep your ranting, hate-mongering what you are good at !
See how much Dr Sina Supports Jews here
Bibi Kavya Khatoon
http://alisina.org/a-rabbi-says-ali-sina-is-pathe…
Let Jews and Muslim patch up and unite against this atheist.
Being neutral in Jew Muslims issues can not be taken as siding with Jews.
These are the Muslim's own doings. They become a sizeable number and start creating problem. In China. In Myanma. In India.
The Muslims are ungrateful and unpatriotic. Given a choice – they will choose religion over their country.
Illegal immigrant Muslims from Bangladesh have spread throughout India and are creating problems everywhere.
I believe in a larger humanity of good people.
Unfortunately the Muslims do not believe in the Golden Rule and in Humanity.
Whereas, the whole world chooses to follow the Golden Rule.
Dear Chinaloi, I'm not a Chinese but a white Indian, just like my white Indian boyfriend, except that one of my ancestor is a white while the rest are all Indians, that's why I'm a white Indian, exactly like my beloved boyfriend. 😉
This declares your humanity ! Good If you find happiness in these things !
Mr.Sina, why do you support the Jews so much?
Chanakya aka Kautilya in his treatise on politics says – the opponent can be won over by 1) explanation. if it does not work then, (2) by buying out , if not then (3) by intimidation/threat/punishment, if not then (4) discriminating / blacking out
The Muslims are at it – trying to get Ali Sina to change him.
First by engaging in debates/explanation. Then trying to buy him out.
Now what else are they going to do?
@ Chinaloi
"Dear brother Abdullah Ihsan, I am a communist muslim"
Are you?
"I am here to help Muslims"
How?
Shouldn't you ask your Chinese brothers and sisters first why so many of them have accepted Islam and once you find out why, please share his/her story.
Muslims get nice beating from these two – China and Myanmar.
Impressive list, Ali. Good point. And counterjihadists cannot and do not say or should not say that Islam was the religion that killed the most or that Muslims killed the most in history.
No, but we can see that violence was inherent in human nature and behavior throughout history, in 5000 years.
We can have, formulate, and live for a set of beliefs and values which include a desire for non-violence, human rights, freedom & democracy etc.
And then we can ask: What was the influence of Islam on this violent behavior of mankind after Islam came into being? And perhaps Islam did not do too well in containing it. Perhaps instead Islam just stimulated it and did it to a large extent itself. Or Muslims did much violent behavior and a part of it was inspired by Islamic teachings. Because of supremacist designs in Islam.
But Islam came into being in the 7th century and perhaps since then better or meaningful alternatives to Islam have come into being. Meaningful alternatives to the political side of Islam, to a supremacy of Islam. in the form of a big set of beliefs-values, laws of Democracy and human rights.
And a democratic set of beliefs does exist and seems to me a meaningful alternative to Islam and we can approach Muslims with it and ask if they are for or against, or perhaps neutral to this democratic set of beliefs.
And we perhaps we can so divide the Muslims, into pro-democratic, anti-democratic and neutral.
It is only in favor of the full set of democratic beliefs-values-laws that we question the truth of Islam, because there is among our values absolute freedom of religion. But we can use the apparent falsehood of Islam to persuade a part of the Muslims to become apostate or if possible transform Islam, form a democratic group within Islam.
This is how I look at Democracy and Islam.
And Ali Sina, Nonie Darwish, Robert Spencer and many others already pointed out the essential differences between the democratic and Islamic political system.
You mean you are irrational or stupid when you call Allah is the devil.
Go get me some noodles before serving humanity ! We are not after diplomatic strategy against whites , west whatever ! we think only being Muslim not being Asian, Arab, Indian, European , American, German or Chinese. Our foe is anti-Islamist who can also be Chinese.
wiki
Couples cannot remarry until the ex-wives marry another men, to ensure that divorce is not taken lightly. She cannot go back to this husband who has divorced her three times, unless she marries another person who out of his own free will divorces her. This rule is given by the Shariah to reduce the occurrence of three divorces and to protect the honor of the woman. Nikah halala cannot be done as a condition or intention to make her lawful to her ex-husband.
Why can't you convince this to any government , authority in the world? I gave you link what people who believe Islam doing to serve humanity and ukaid is also helping them in fund raising.
In Quran 8:30 "almakireena" have so many meanings including planner , plotter , schemer etc. !!!
Quran 4:142 is about requiting hypocrite's deceit to them.
Man you have no life other than repeating the same over and over
So "God" must be hating "Allah" coz "Allah" is being called everyday more than "God" in the world ! lol
Those books are read by MBA students of prestigious business schools throughout the world.
Yes I confirm I have a doctorate. It is not in divinity or religion and therefor it is irrelevant to my activity against Islam.
I graduated in Italy and there is a saying in Italian. Dottori sono molti, Signori son pochi. Signore is not just Mr. It actually means gentleman. It means there are too many doctors and few gentlemen.
I never used my title because of people like you. I know how Muslims have nothing to refute what I say so they will love to talk about my qualification, looks and other red herrings.
Hats off!
// Muslims will feel ashamed to be known as such and will hide their religious belief. //
The tree will shout there is a Muslim behind me.
I have never thought about this. You are right !
That is what your Mohammad too had been doing.
Mohammad was a sex maniac.
Mohammad saw his own daughter in law naked and himself revealed THE SEXUAL PIMP VERSES IN THE QURAN.
Next moment Zainab his daughter in law was in his bed. Both banging each other. Mohammad sent his adopted son on a war mission – never to come back. He was killed.
Next Mohammad has laid his eyes on your grandmother ( 80 years old?), your mother, your daughter ( six months old? )
Mohammad is so lustful he will not even spare your old grandmother – for Mohammad the sex hungry prophet she may be the most beautiful awra on earth.
You know what? Mohammad was a posthumous child. You believe it? NO.
Why? Because his grandfather had banged his mother. Result the Satan aka Mohammad was born. Your rapist rasul.
The Playboy Prophet will give your mother all the pleasures which your dad's tinny winny was not able to deliver.
Aisha had said, he had the strength of 30 men in matters of sex. Your mother was asking for more of it. When your dad approached, your mother took her slippers and started beating your dad – your mom wanted exclusive pleasure from mo and your dad was haram for her now.
By the way, did your rasul also reveal PIMP and LUST verses for your mom?
Your mom must be allah chosen to be named in the sex and terror manual.
If you do not stop now, you are going to get more of your own heated dick in your rear. So stop your nonsense and talk sanely.
Fighting Islam is fighting evil. This is the greatest service to humanity.
Well the cleric was a bit to enthusiastic. It is really not that bad. If your husband threatens to divorce you should you do certain things and you do it then it is considered talaq. For example if the food is not ready when he comes home and he is angry and hungry and tells you if you do it again he will divorce you and the next month he comes home and the food is not ready, that is divorce. If he tells you that he will triple divorce you and you do what he warns you against, then I am afraid you are divorced. So find an old mullah whom you can trust, marry him for one night. Hopefully he is too old to do anything. And then divorce him. There are very good mullahs who do this for money. Then you can go back an remarry the father of your children. But make sure not to be late with the food next time. And Allah is the most wise.
Sorry I made a mistake in numbering the verse. I wanted to write 8:30 and Satan made me write 3:34. It happened even to Muhammad so don’t blame me.
Jesus said something that I adopted as my motto. “Truth will set you free.” Islam is a lie and the antidote of lie is truth, just as the antidote of darkness is light. We have to spread the truth and do it fearlessly. There are evil forces at work that try to prevent us. They are the leftists, the politically correct and the media. These evil forces have made truth the new hate speech. The more you remain silent the stronger they become and they more you speak out the weaker they become. When you speak someone will see the light and that person will become another vehicle to spread the truth. That is how we win and they lose. So any time they call you hate monger, stand up against them, and call them traitors, accessories of terrorism and instruments of evil. Don’t let them silence you. Many people agree with you even though they are afraid of being labeled. But when they see more people are speaking up they too gain the strength to do it.
We need to kick start a public debate on Muhammad in a wold scale. The movie I am working on is loaded with information about the details of the life of Muhammad.Every episode of it will encourage a debate. The Danish cartoons created a lot of buzz but no debate. It is because they had no message in them. This movie is full of messages. Once the truth about Muhammad spreads things will not be the same. I is not entirely out of question that a large number of people in western countries demand that Islam be banned. Also don’t judge every Muslims by Ali’s standard who says he does not care whether I am right or wrong, he will reject anything I say. Most Muslims are not fools . They know that by deceiving themselves they will not go to paradise banging whores. Once truth is known to them they will leave Islam. Ali and people like him will never leave Islam, but they will hide and pretend not to be believers. We will see a day when Muslims will feel ashamed to be known as such and will hide their religious belief.
3:34
Sina knows what I'm talking about.
“By the way, I saw an old picture of you recently and you are not too young, if that picture is to be believed. Yes, you do look Iranian, but then you also look Indian or Arab. But one thing is for sure, you are an old codger and already have one foot in the grave. Can’t see you lasting 30 years. No chance. You’re already touching your 60’s/70’s. ”
No picture of me is on the net for you to see and those descriptions don’t match me. In another post you said I resemble Om Puri. There is no resemblance between me and Om Puri.
“Listen Ali Sina, I have much more money than you will ever have and will ever make on your book sale or film release. Plus I have access to serious financiers in the Muslim world. ”
That could very well be the case. My wealth is in the number of people I awaken, their children, grand children and the great grand children. Even if they may never hear my name I know I have given them freedom. That is what I see as success.
We have two different world views. You will never understand my world although I fully understand yours.
No we are not ashamed of ourselves. My motivation is not money. I do this to awaken the brighter Muslims and the non-Muslims. Success is not measured by money. Otherwise you could say Muhammad was very successful. He was penyless when he migrated to Medina and by raiding and looting he became the wealthiest man in Arabia in just ten years. That is not the way I see success. If there is a hell he is now burning in it. He brought misery and pain to mankind. My aspiration is to enlighten the people and bring happiness to their lives. This is what I call success. Success is in how much good you can leave behind not in how many people you can deceive, kill, rape and loot.
No you are the dumb here. What is the concept behind halala? He is a temporary man to marry someone’s wife so she can become lawful to him again. I see you have no problem that your wife whom you divorced out of rage and really did not mean it sleep with someone else hoping he may divorce her so you can remarry her. Most rational people find their law abhorrent and stupid. By insulting me you can’t make your idiot Muhammad look smart. In fact you look dumb and stupid for defending something so stupid like this.
“Where Allah say there is no one except Him so God is the same Allah”
If I say there is no god except me does it mean that I am god? If Allah is devil, then he is also a liar. Muhammad said Allah is the best deceiver. This to me proves Allah is devil because God cannot be a deceiver while Satan is a deceiver.
You need to shift your paradigm. From your vantage point everything looks distorted. Once you remover your Islamic eyeglasses and look at the world with a rational mind you’ll see Allah, Iblis, Devil and angles are all fairy tales.
“As far as Ali Sina is concerned, unfortunately I cannot accept anything he says, whether he is right or wrong.”
That says it all. And by the same token you will accept anything Muhammad said whether he was right or wrong. This attitude is called prejudice and bigotry. You act like a sheep. Humans are better than that. They use reason and will accept the right even if it comes from a wrong source. Let us say I tell you a simple truth such as 2+2=4. You will reject it automatically because it comes from me. Likewise if Muhammad says 2+2= 3 you will accept it because it comes from Muhammad. This is not the way to truth.
Yes Islam will be defeated but a group will remain devoted to Muhammad and you will be one of them. I am not interested in guiding people like you either. I am interested in people who can think on their own are discern truth from falsehood.
“He has no credentials to back himself up.”
My credentials are reason. What other credentials do I need? Truth is proof of itself. What are the credentials of Muhammad? Can you name one? No there is none and yet you have no problem believing it the most ridiculous claims such as him flying a donkey to the seventh heaven. There is a barrier between you and truth that no one can remove but yourself. I don’t need credentials to prove my claims. If I say something I can prove it and if I can’t, no one should believe it even if I prove to you that I am a rocket scientist. There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning.
If you are Indian, we already had your curry recipe centuries ago. If you are Arab, Chinese don't like kebabs. So there is nothing that you have, that we don't have. We are helping you out of love for humankind. I hope more and more Chinese to visit this site to share in the love for Indians and Arabs. The biggest problem with Asians, unlike white men, is that Asians are too trusting and easily manipulated (by white men) to fight each other. Indians, Persians and Arabs had history living harmoniously in China dating as far back as cilivisation itself. We need to be united to face a common foe.
@Fan Sina. I am a Muslim. Period. And do not subscribe to any 'sect'. I do accept Quran as the Word of God and yes I do accept Hadith. I have also followed a stint with the Quran Aloners, but it doesn't work for me. But I will not go on a Quran Alone bashing mission over here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
As far as Ali Sina is concerned, unfortunately I cannot accept anything he says, whether he is right or wrong. He has no credentials to back himself up and neither does he exist in the real sense. Anyone who hides behind a pseudonym for nearly 20 years and still refuses to come out to support his fellow apostates and carries so much hatred towards humans (muslims), simply cannot be a good or truthful person with so much negativity engrossed in them. He has had 20 years since he apostated to learn the Quranic language of Arabic in order to strengthen his stance, but he hasn't. He cannot muster up any form of real financing for his projects despite shouting from the rooftops for 20 years that he is the genius who has debunked Islam.
I know people who launch products and within a few months they raise hundreds of thousands if not millions towards their ventures. Even I could raise a million times more than Ali Sina and I don't claim anything.
For any individual to state the following in a sweeping manner, must be psychotically imbalanced :
'I don't want to see good people die while Muslim scumbags live and take the world. If any city is nuked I think the world should destroy the Islamic world completely in a way that they can't have any strength to do anything. Any wait would only cause more death. This must be done decisively and immediately. Muslims must get the message loud and clear. If your terrorist brothers nuke one of our cities, we will nuke your world'.
'If any city in the West is nuked I am 100% for nuking tens of cities in Islamic countries. I don't see Muslims as innocent people. They are all guilty as sin. It is not necessary to be part of al Qaida to be guilty. If you are a Muslim you agree with Muhammad and that is enough evidence against you'.
'Muslims are liars by nature'
'As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Right'
'Yes I have proof and have proven that all the Muslims are evil'
'It is not an insult to say Muslims are not humans'
This just sums up the warped mind of Ali Sina. No good can come from anyone who holds the above views. As I said before, even Hitler was not this evil and he killed plenty.
I don't need Ali Sina to tell me what to believe or what not to believe. I have my own mind. I have seen this guy move the goal posts so many times on here and I have only been here for a few weeks. A few more days, and I'm out of here as to be frank, it is utter tripe and brain draining.
The only thing I have learnt since coming here is that there are some seriously sick individuals out there that would do anything to kill innocent Muslims. Most of these sicko's seem to come from India as they keep promoting Atheism and Hinduism in the same breath. Even if they don't, it still shows that there are some real sick people here and Ali Sina is the instigator.
How he has still survived in the 'west' from the respective government authorities thus far is mind boggling. He is a danger to all those that want a good, peaceful harmonious life on the planet and should be sent to Guantanamo Bay and charged with terrorism offences against humanity.
The guy is a sick individual and needs to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act immediately.
But there are other sects that evolved from Islam, and they
adjust that religion to fit their needs. For example: The Baha'i
religion, their "holy book" is very similar to the Quran. Those
people claim that they believe in all religions and prophets,
including Mohammad.
They all know very well that "Allah" means "God"
but they pretend that they are two different
entities, so that they have an excuse for their hate.
Your'r damn right black is black. Have you taken a look in the mirror kaala kutta?
No Fair & Lovely will work on dikwads like you.
What's wrong, the elephant dung getting to you? Never mind, you can swap it with cow dung!
What a Loser. Everywhere you turn, you see and smell nothing but dung?
Must be real schit being you. Now go and get some tea, chai wala.
I told you Raj the choosa lagaaney walla, that one would hurt way below the belt.
If you send your females this way, not only will they get some big dik loving, they will also get a roof over their heads, unlike the mud hut you currently have, 3 solid meals a day, unlike the daal you eat once every 3 days, clean drinking water, unlike your cholera infested pee water from the gutters they currently drink, clean clothes, unlike the one piece of cloth they currently wear which can only cover one b-o-o-b at a time and untold amount of respect, unlike what they get at the moment from you dung worshippers.
You guys stink of dung 24/7. How do you cope?
Jab mein teri maa, biwi aur behn ki puudi all at the same time, with all my mates, maar kar film internet par lagoun ga, tum bi muft me dekh lena.
I promise you won't be disappointed.
Us ke baad tei maa, biwi aur behn gorey (horse) ke saath puudi maaren ge.
From you worship animals, you might as well REALLY worship them……………………..on your knees and open wide, teri maa ki puudi.
Oh this is getting even better.
You are a gluten for punishment and we haven't even touched on Rama Shama yet!
Your conclusion is crude and unscientific. Simply put, Not logical
Dr Nayak on Deobandis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzn9lFg9n0&fe…
a comment by a poster for him, anyone who knows Urdu please translate it.
naik ki maa ki chut u not muslim u r chistan
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tere maa ki chuyt
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ab bolo subanallah
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tere maaa ki maa ki chut aur tere maa chut me suver ka land kafir naki
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Black is black – whatever name you call it.
Devil/Mohammad/Allah/Lucifer/Satan/Iblees all one and the same.
Did you roll in the camel dung like Mohammad today?
There are many sahih Hadiths that say that Mohammad banged camels and goats? Or were you contented with being banged from behind by Mohammad?
"If religion can be compared to man’s clothing' My children were having a could laugh at your picture. MY DEBATE WITH A SHI -ITE SCHOLAR.The way these men look, dress and march
But Mohammed is Satan and Devil and Allah is Devil and now Iblees is Mohammed?
With people like you backing Ali Sina, Raj. We have no worries in the world.
Stick to sniffing the elephant dung. It makes more sense than your dribble.
In a language that you can understand perfectly. Send over your sisters, wife and mother and I will gladly marry them and give them 20 children Raj!
Oooh that one hurt. I can feel the pain here you heathen kafir dung worshipper.
Dhoob dhoob ke mur ja, haraami ki aulaad. Dhoob dhoob ke mar ja.
With that type of offer, there is no coming back for you, you peasant. I will even give the dowry of Durex to them up front, in case I catch something nasty from them!
Mohammad is Iblees.
Brainless stupid Muslim
Dear Ali, I've always had a mind of my own and am matured enough to distingiush between right and wrong. If I want to do anything, I would do so because I want to, not even my husband will let me do something I don't agree with. From past experience I believe that I've made good decisions and reaped good fruits from it. At the end of the day I do what works for me.
Could you tell me how strong are your beliefs? eg are sunni, shi ite, moderate, very holy. Do you believe in all the Hadiths or are you just quran alone muslim. Do find some truth in Ali Sina's writing?
Quranic/Islamic logic is funny and twisted.
Allah is not the one true God.
Allah is the opposite of all that is Godly qualities.
Allah is Lucifer aka Satan aka Iblees aka Mohammad aka Devil.
Mohammad aka Allah is the father of all evil.
Then who is Iblees, Raj you Einstein you?
Maybe the fumes of the elephant dung you just worshipped got to your head?
What a dimwit!
@Ali Sina. If God exists and Allah is the devil, then who is Iblees?
Maybe so Raj. But like I said before and will say again. Not in your lifetime.
You guys have been trying for 1400 years and will keep trying for another 1400 years, with always the same result. The INCREASE and ADVANCEMENT Islam.
Get over it, you LOSER!
It is said the one who laughs last, laughs the best.
You can laugh now – as much as you want. Then finally you will be left with nothing – but to cry.
Whereas, for us right now this being an uphill task of showing the Muslims the correct way – that Islam is a false religion and Mohammad is a false impostor.
But todays pains will tomorrow bring smiles and laughter. We will be happy that many Muslims would have been rescued from the grip of this evil cult ideology called Islam.
Till then laugh as much as you can. Just the next corner – tears and cries await you.
There is a one true God. The one true God is all love. Allah is not the one true God.
The Allah of the Muslims is actually Satan aka Mohammad. Get that right into your brain.
For once stop using your stupid Islamic/Quranic logic.
Whether God exists or not shouldn't be your concern should it Ali Sina? You already prescribe to atheism believing He doesn't. So why you bothered?
By the way, how comes your co-defendants Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller don't have a problem showing who they are? Have you ever met them?
And yes, you do look like a fatter version of Om Puri without the facial marks. You put the picture up of yourself, yourself! Not too bright are we?
I am more smug than you can ever imagine Raj. Why? Because life is good for me and being in Islam is even better. I'm not the one begging people to leave or come to Islam. While you are festering away with your venom, trying to work out who you gonna make your God tomorrow as today's one just didn't cut the mustard, I am making money, living well, eating well, travelling well and at peace with myself. Long live Islam!
It is you accursed minorities that keep getting swatted like flies, and still keep coming back with so much 'tatti', you start fooling yourselves into believing you are aliens. You guys are like idiots who try to solve the rubik's cube by just staring at it!
I know, life's a biatch for some, but don't hate the player, hate the game.
Go do some elephant dung pooja now please.
If God exists, Allah is devil lol
You mean God and Allah are different entity .
If God exist why would He allowed Allah to exist being another entity?
Where Allah say there is no one except Him so God is the same Allah , one entity and no confusion.
I have special reward for those who are into honourable service for humankind. Well humanity is not supercomputing so to serve doesn't necessarily need Chinese !
“At first he started with Atheism, then he started to plug Jesus and and now he is plugging Hinduism.”
I am not plugging for anyone but reason. The reason I am not against Christianity and Hinduism is because these religions are not rigid. They are flawed but allow change. As such they are living breathing faiths that can grow and adapt to the needs of the modern man. Islam cannot do the same. It is a dead and fossilized faith that allows no change, no growth, no adaptation.
If religion can be compared to man’s clothing, Hinduism and to some extent Christianity are made of spandex. They can grow as you grow. Islam is made of iron. You don’t have much room to grow in an iron clothe. It suffocates you. It crushes your ribs and bones.
“Regardless of what he says, my position is in the win-win category. Right? “
Wrong! You keep repeating this win/win delusion. But repletion of a lie does not turn it into a truth. If God exists, Allah is devil. By worshiping Allah you don’t to paradise banging whores. You go to hell and will drink pus.
Let us assume God exists. It cannot be Allah. It is beyond logic that the maker of the universe be so diabolic and evil as Allah is.
Dear brother Abdullah Ihsan, I am a communist muslim, so what do you like me to opine on? I am here to help Muslims and Indians, and I am all ears.
a Cinaloi
Why not start by asking the opinions of your Chinese Muslim brothers and sisters and ask them why they have embraced Islam?
@ Ali – the Muslim
The smug and the complacent finally realizes that he is a loser.
Do not be too smug nor too complacent. I have been repeating this. You seem to be too much complacent. It is over confidence.
Over confidence breeds and is a result of inferiority and arrogance. Both of them work from two directions and eat you out.
Be careful.
A smile is infectious. It spreads. The giver as well as the receiver gain happiness. It spreads joy.
What does the Quran spread? From day one, it has given violence and nothing else to the world.
Have you seen some some quasi myth based movies like the mummy, or jumanji, etc? When a mysterious book is opened – characters start flyingout.
Similarly, when Quran is opened – however much noble it may be – violence starts flying out. Do not look at its nobility. Look at the resultant chaos.
The Quran is a dangerous book like the Book of the Dead in the movie – The Mummy – ghosts of violence come out and possess the ones opening it – evil grips them.
I'll make it easy for you to remember then Loki.
Holding the position that I do with following Islam, I am in a win-win scenario. If what you say is correct and there is no deity or God, then when I die, I gain nothing and lose nothing. My fate will be the same as the likes of you?
If, on the other hand, there is a deity, God, then I gain.
Ali Sina tried to post Pascal's Wager and then started to push me to find the 'right' God. At first he started with Atheism, then he started to plug Jesus and and now he is plugging Hinduism.
Regardless of what he says, my position is in the win-win category. Right?
You being an atheist are taking a 50/50 risk by not accepting and 'believing' in a God. I, on the other hand am taking a zero percent risk, whereas I will get the same fate as you when dead and buried if you are deemed correct. You see, I will always have a 50% advantage over the likes of you. No God, no punishment, no worries, no loss, no heaven, no hell, no anything. Just nothing.
What have I got to lose following Islam, if you are correct? Nothing.
And on a separate note, I did say to you, you can dress up the atrocities by atheism however much you want, they will still remain atrocities and that is exactly what you did. At least you was predictable.
Friend Agracean, we are both doing an honourable service for humankind! I agree this website is amazing! I am here to help not just Muslims (to snap out of their islamic hallucination) but also Indians (to stop being useful idiots to attack Muslims). Sigh .. if only Muslims and Indians could think like the Chinese.
Good luck to you Fan Sina. Judging by the leader Ali Sina and his invisible persona, hiding in the closet since 1994, I doubt you even exist in the manner you say you do. Everything on this site posted by Ali Sian and his fans must be taken with a pinch of salt. Why? Because none of it can be backed up as it is subjective personal opinions, hate mongering blatant Islamaphobia, most people on here and articles posted are hidden characters and you guys cannot even muster up more than $300 dollars per year for your cause. If his cause had any tangible proof or truth in it, donations would be flocking from every non Islamic corner. We both know that and so does Ali Sina.
Do you think the American Presidential Campaign is fought on thin air? Every movement requires finance, and a lot of it. And this BS movement from Ali Sina is barely raising per year, more than what an individual in the developing country earns per month!
Even Facebook required cash injection at it's first inception and look at it now?
You guys have been doing this since 1994 and look at the position of the movement? Not something to write home about is it? We live in a capitalist world and everything is measured in 'money'. Whether it be GDP, Financial Aid, Personal Income or living costs.
Ali Sina is no scholar, has no grasp of the Arabic language, is no specialist in comparative religion, is not a renowned scientist, does not sit on any steering groups or committees, is not an advisor to institutions whether they be academia or
government bodies and is no specialist in Islam by his own admission. Apart from his hate mongering towards Islam, no ones even heard of him. Doesn't this tell you something? Even you have never met him? Why?
If someone is bringing so many people out of the 'darkness', he should at least have the decency and honesty to meet the people that support him. Forget the Muslims, he should at least meet the apostates that he has helped at least once a year at a annual meeting or in secret, but do meet them. But he cannot even do that.
Even the Masons and Iluminati meet once a year!!
When you want to take advice from someone regarding something in a chosen field, you must weigh up their credentials and look at their previous past and current position, which in normal terms is classed as due diligence. The due diligence here points in the opposite direction to what Ali Sina says.
Islam is growing and not regressing. And it is growing in the 'west', so the racist analogy of people in the East being illiterate and brainwashed thus Islam growing falls by the wayside. Are we saying that people in the 'west' are also illiterate and humans on the whole are stupid? Whichever way you look at it, none of it makes sense. Ali Sina's position is his personal opinions and his agenda is clear. He wants to instigate a world war 3 at the cost of Islam.
In modern times, even Hitler wasn't as evil as this guy Ali Sina, but you guys revere him as a scholarly genius in the field of Islam and the Quran, thereby proving 1.57 billion humans are all wrong because Ali Sina said so.
Ali Sina uses what we call the 'strawmans' approach. By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present his own position as being reasonable or valid. This kind of dishonesty not only undermines rational discourse, it also harms one's own position because it brings his credibility into question – if he's willing to misrepresent his opponent's argument in the negative, might he also be willing to exaggerate his own in the positive?
Leave Islam by all means, but do it because you want to and not because Ali Sina, the phantom, said so.
Once again, good luck in whatever you choose to do.
// Loki, let me make a confession; Everyday, i seat back and think of the daily efforts you put in to make the world a better place, i truly acknowledge that you are struggling to see that peace prevail in the world, and you also struggle to completely eradicate the evil amongst Muslims. The time, Energy, and the so much emotion you put in your efforts tells me you surely have seen a problem and you truly want to solve it, this i greatly appreciate. Because you don't even know me but you know i could be 'saved', i sincerely thank you for your efforts, I have to also inform you that i am also fighting that battle. I hate the injustice oppression and evil i see, i hate the blood shed, i hate the misogynistic ideologies and i am also in a fight to stop it. My version of Islam is against all of these too(something you find very difficult understanding). People like me if caught by sharia bastards, would also be beheaded. So we are in this together. //
Friend there is a common rule of the thumb which we need to apply logically. Employ the principle of Ockham's Razor
I would apply it like this :- WHEN IN DOUBT, GET OUT.
For you there may be thousands of convincing reasons for the Quran to be true But what is the end result we see from this book after being used by people ? One drop of poison is enough to counteract thousands of drops of nectar.
You will admit that the Quran has been interpreted (rightly or wrongly ) – which results in immense violence.
Better to leave that vehicle – even though it may be deserving of all the benefits of doubt available. This is short logic.
For once, give your heart to this thought.
A tumor which lends beauty to your face – is still a tumor.
Nothing good can come out of evil.
Yep. But since Sina is already bankrupt keeping this site running,maybe he does their laundry work in return.
You should have finished Quoting the verse 3:7……Except Allah and those grounded in knowledge…… You craftily left that part out right? You call interpretations of Quran relying on historical collections as authentic. You approve of people who think you should read the Qur'an without reasoning. God compelled us to use reasoning, but the founding scholars(those you approve of their version of Islam) of traditional islam claim you should not reason, you should just accept without questioning. Accept what they have put together based on Unreliable sources collected 280 years after the death of the prophet. I WILL NOT ACCEPT SUCH SOURCES, I WOULD PREFERABLY GO FOR AN UPDATED WELL REASONED OUT UNDERTNADING OF THE WHOLE ISSUE. and its hurts you so much that it is not the islam you want to see and condemn, it hurts you to see an islam that is not male dominant and oppressive, i thought this is what yo are advocating for? so why do you still insist on your version(Male dominant, Misogynistic, belligerent, and oppressive). I dont really understand your thinking.It is Allah Who also said in the Quran that Allah teaches the Quran…. to those with a open mind. He also said, those who follow the Multiple meaning verses to create discord, (Mullahs of different sects, Scholars of different sect, and most recently Ali Sina and his band wagon), Will never understand! The majority of Muslims accept this version of islam you so want me to revert to, But this is what the Quran said about the world; Majority of people are unbelievers, and amongst the believers, majority will not believe unless they add i dol worship. So not being with the majority is not a worry for me.Loki, let me make a confession; Everyday, i seat back and think of the daily efforts you put in to make the world a better place, i truly acknowledge that you are struggling to see that peace prevail in the world, and you also struggle to completely eradicate the evil amongst Muslims. The time, Energy, and the so much emotion you put in your efforts tells me you surely have seen a problem and you truly want to solve it, this i greatly appreciate. Because you don't even know me but you know i could be 'saved', i sincerely thank you for your efforts, I have to also inform you that i am also fighting that battle. I hate the injustice oppression and evil i see, i hate the blood shed, i hate the misogynistic ideologies and i am also in a fight to stop it. My version of Islam is against all of these too(something you find very difficult understanding). People like me if caught by sharia bastards, would also be beheaded. So we are in this together.Take care……
But you still use God and Satan in your defence and counter argument, despite not believing in it's existence?
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove.
The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
You are using the 'Texas sharpshooter' approach, whereas this 'false cause' fallacy is coined after a marksman shooting randomly at barns and then painting bullseye targets around the spot where the most bullet holes appear, making it appear as if he's a really good shot. Clusters naturally appear by chance, but don't necessarily indicate that there is a causal relationship.
Anyway, no one is forcing any of us to believe or not to believe. Each to their own I suppose.
You are only being dealt with in the manner you deal with others Raju. Is this not the Golden Rule you abide by?
Do unto others as you have them do to you.
Some times we have to fight fire with fire. (not one of your pagan gods in case you got it twisted), we are talking conventional fire in a figure of speech sense.
Anyway, kuchra, have you finished the daily pooja of the elephant dung today?
How Muslims Defend the Stupidity of Islam? by sujit das http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/78-sujit/1113-…
Since Muslims cannot argue their religion with reason (Islam cannot survive if argued with reason), they resort to sudden abnormal rage. If it does not help, they opt for habitual lying and flawed arguments. We often hear two such arguments from them – the “language” argument and the “out of context” argument (Warraq, 2003, pp. 400-4). In this article, we will have a closer look at these two arguments.
The language argument
When the Qur’anic contradictions, or absurdities, or the violent verses are pointed out, Muslims will ask aggressively, “Do you know Arabic?” Then they tell triumphantly, “You have to read it in original Arabic to understand it fully”, or “These are not there in original Arabic Qur’an”, or, “The beauty of the Qur’an is lost in the translation”, or “There are many fake translations of the Qur’an to malign Islam” etc. With this, Western critics generally become silent. Now the question is: How many Muslims have read the Qur’an in original Arabic? Since the majority of Muslims are not Arabs, they have to rely on translations. In fact, most Muslims who raise the language arguments are non-Arabs and don’t understand Arabic.
Secondly, a large section of the Qur’an is just meaningless blabbering of an illiterate seventh-century mental patient whom Muslims revere as their Prophet. In this respect, Puin, the great scholar of Islam (cited Warraq, 2002, pp. 112, 121) commented,
“My idea is that the Qur’an is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’, or clear. But [contrary to popular belief] if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply does not make sense … the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it cannot even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not — there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on”.
The Qur’an is indeed a confusing text, which confuses everyone – whether one knows Arabic or not.
Yeh, all 5 of them! The usual suspects no doubt.
Check our Mr Invincible? If ever they did turn up, make sure you got your diaper on as just looking at them you'd schit your pants. And they are your own people.
'Bring them here. All of them'.
LMFAO. Literally!
Not everyone,only a few of his paid admirers do.
How Muslims Defend the Stupidity of Islam? by Sujit Das
http://islam-watch.org/authors/78-sujit/1113-how-…
Today who can deny the fact that Islam is different from all other religions, because of the threat of violence to its critics? All other religions can be criticized and even ridiculed without fear of violence. Only with Islam is there a credible threat of violence to its critics. Muslims can criticize Christianity and Hinduism without any fear of violence, but Christians and Hindus cannot criticize Islam without an ever-present fear of Islamic violence. It needs far more bravery to be on that side. A simple, calm, rational debate between all religions is not possible, because the fear of Islamic violence is always in the background. If Islam is, as Muslims claim, a mature, modern, tolerant religion, then why there is a need to the threat of violence? Muslims don’t understand the self-contradiction.
Dear Chinaloi, my boyfriend is a white Indian who brought me here. I'm here to help him know and see that I truly love him very much, besides my dearest beloved Ms Ali Sina. It's here in this awesome website that I felt truly alive on planet earth, helping those braindead zombies out of the Islamic sinkhole. 🙂
Mohammad means one who is attached falsely to this world and its pleasures and who is also intoxicated with arrogance. Moha and madd in hindi/sanskrit.
Aptly describes the playboy prophet.
But some Hindu preachers do Taqqiya or false propaganda, making alteration and false interpretation of the name, may be replying to some Pakistani propaganda.
Dear Ali, I am happily married. My husband and I share the same values. We both are Indians and born muslim. As for the book you want me to read, there is no need. I just wanted to expose the mindset of this long bearded cleric. My husband don't enjoy reading but is looking forward to see Ali Sina's forthcoming production. I've told him about my research on this site and he agreed what he is hearing makes sense. He says since young, he has also questioned Islam but just let it be. He is a very busy man, and he trusts my judgement. At least he is a charming prince without the frog in him.
@ Loki – I could not have explained any better.
No woman who respects herself will agree to go back to
a man who kicked her out not once, not twice, but three times.
After he divorces her, she will be free and it will be up to her
to marry the new ready-made husband, or to bide her time
and make the right choice this time.
But if she go back to her first husband, they prove that they
are both void of feelings and dignity.
It is not always the fault of the man, sometimes the Muslim
woman plays a big role in humiliating and abusing herself.
"There is a clear indication by the author to share the write up on any forum or quote it if the need arise!"
You still don't get it do you?He says "quote it".You pasted it as your argument 🙂 When someone says quote me,he means give my reference too.Even if he doesn't say it,it is intellectual honesty to mention the original author when you lift text out of another source.If you don't that's called plagiarism.
"i see you have a theme for the Quran, and per your statement, your theme is not twisted but the correct one right?" Of course it is! Quran claims to be a "clear book".You claim otherwise? Ask any scholar you know.
But I'll help you to read.
Quran 3:7
It is He Who has sent down to you the Book.In it are Verses that are entirely clear,they are the foundations of the Book ; and others not entirely clear.So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah ,and seeking for its hidden meanings,but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah"
So there are two kinds of verses,clear verses and others have hidden meanings.Quran says "only Allah" knows those hidden meanings.Verses regarding rules for women,marriage and inheritance are 'clear verses'.Those who twist those are violating Allah's word.
"You also claim you have atleast 10 muslims as friends….i see why you lack understanding of Islam so much and why you are so hate driven.You are a victim of the single story of Muslims"
Absolutely not! I made a lot of effort in reading the Quran to ensure that I wasn't a victim of media.I read the original source-the Quran.
"You lair, your was i should have pasted the link, and my excuse for not pasting the link was because i has the book! so why so much noise???"
Already answered.You have already conceded "I copied…".SO why so much noise now? 🙂
"i don't seem to get why you want to force me to accept your own theme of the Quran" I don't need you to accept my version 😉 I want you to read the Quran and not copy-paste from others' research.
"Please if you don't have better things to criticize me on" I don't want to criticize you.I want to criticize your belief.But if you make mistakes I'll point that out too.
"I agreed to most of the Explanation given as it is more logical and reasonable than your version"
I'd love to know 'your' ideas or arguments that 'you' built after reading it.I can't accept quotes of another author as 'your' argument!Because if I argue against it,I'll be arguing against his mind,not yours which will not be fair to you because you don't have access to his mind. 🙂
Criticizing is not bad thing and its very easy thing to do. What I mean being hypocrite like smiling on face of Muslims , eating their delicious food and back biting them on internet. This qualifies you being ass-hole. Congratulation keep it up !
"How long you will keep smiling with Muslims and criticizing Islam back biting on internet"
That's a logical fallacy.For the first time you at least 'tried' to make some sense that's why I bothered to reply.I'll try to make it easy for you to understand.
Let's say you criticize communism.Does that mean you shun any friends who are communists?No.My friends who are muslims by birth are mostly highly educated and intelligent.Most of them see the obvious nonsense in Islam and don't follow the idiotic rules.Those who do follow,are intelligent enough to understand the difference between criticizing an ideology and criticizing its adherents.Some of their grandparents,who are bathed in decades of hate,advice them to not make friends with 'kaffirs'.But they have the strength of mind to follow their conviction like I do in being an atheist despite my whole family being very orthodox.I hope you'll understand it henceforth.
No dude,I tried learning Arabic,but none of my muslim friends didn't know the language.So all I had is websites,and trust me it's difficult to learn a language from a website.
Also I didn't read only these three/four books in 15 years 🙂 Frankly I have lost count.I had to read a lot to be where I am today,and reading Arabic wouldn't help me get there.Nor do I think it'd make much of a difference.I settled on translations because the probability that the four most recognized translations have all gone wrong is minuscule especially since Allah says Quran is a clear book,and most muslims around the world depend on these and translations in other languages alone.So I have reason to think that my understanding of Quran based on translations by Muhsin Khan,Yusuf Ali,Pickthall and Sahih International is right on.
"You are an atheist which to theists is the biggest joke" Do you honestly think I care? 🙂 And are you deluded enough to think that the 'theists' are that united? LOL They bay for each others' blood! Every adherent of a religion thinks 'all others' are jokes.A Christian thinks you're no lesser joke than I am.So enjoy the attention!
"you still have killed more people in the world despite being a minority?" I have never killed anything except mosquitoes that wouldn't die from the repellent.I think even that was cruel,but they have evolved to be nasty to humans.I don't like to get my blood sucked! 🙂
I think you're referring to Stalin or China?That shows that you are not able to get out of the shackles that religion has put on your mind.You think atheism is like another religion like yours that its adherents will follow its rule?? .Atheism isn't a set of rules to follow! I have nothing in common to Stalin or China except that we "don't believe in a particular idea!Neither do I follow their ideology,nor do I relate to them.They might believe in completely different things than I do.If Stalin or Chinese government committing atrocities makes me an accomplice in some sense,then in the same sense all head-shaved men are accomplices in the 5th August shooting at Wisconsin because they all "don't believe" in keeping hair on their heads.I hope you get that straight.
"So you want people to believe nothing" Right on but I think I will state it with emphasis on the right word in case you're confused! I don't want people to believe "nothing".I want people to "believe" nothing.They shouldn't believe anything without credible evidence of it.If they see evidence,they don't even need to believe.They'll know! 🙂
"which in return they get nothing. but you claim something" Nor do they get anything from believing in an invisible deity 🙂 They are forced to live an entire life in false assurance with religion.I understand that can be comforting to some level.Like you say a terminally ill person that he's okay.
I am not dishonest enough to make claims that I can't prove.I'd leave that for theists,so that they can make fools out of themselves.
"Exactly what does Atheism offer mankind?" Atheism isn't a set of rules,it isn't a belief system.It offers nothing because it isn't dishonest like religions which make offers that don't exist! I don't plead you to become an atheist.You are welcome to live in your delusion,but don't give us the crap.
"I'm sure you must have seen my 'wager' in other posts. We are way ahead of the game mate, way ahead of the game!" No I haven't seen it.I don't see much sense in your posts anyway to remember them.
And zitouni is a proud Muslim!
Ali Sina said : I find it embarrassing if I had to let my wife have sex with another man so she become lawful to me again. If you think it is okay for your wife and mother to go through that, I respect that.
I do not know what to call you man , are you dumb or you play dumb with us ? . How can you still call a woman that you divorced MY WIFE ?????????? . SHE IS NO LONGER YOUR WIFE DUMMY . when a man divorces a woman three times he cannot get married with her until she marries another man and get divorced from him . There is no quaranty that he will divorce her so the chances that you will get married with her second time or four times is slim . The man who get married with her has no intention to divorce her he has nothing to do with your problem he is not supposed to dovorce her in order for you to be able to get married with her. If you sought help from him Islam condomned this kind of practise the prophet called that man the borrowed male catle just like when an arab has femal horse or cow and borrows male from his friend to mate with his cow . The man who does that to me is pimp so do not blame islam for that and there is nothing that you can do about it when you get sick people bypass the rules to get something .
You can apply logic on concepts.You don't have to "believe in them".
Like Goldbach's conjecture-every even number greater than 2 can be expressed as a sum of two primes.These numbers are concepts,but you can apply logic on them.Or any mathematical problem.They aren't real-world,they are concepts.Their applications are real world.
I was comparing the qualitative attributes of Allah and Satan as described in Quran and Bible.To do that,I've to believe in them?What logic is that?
"when you deny it's very existence?" I don't deny their existence.You make it sound as if they are walking around,smoking a cigar and I deny them.I don't believe they exist,like I don't believe Rakshasas do!
Moh means (false) attachment and madd means the intoxication due to arrogance. Lacking humility and greedy for everything – that is Mohammad for you. No wonder the Hindu scriptures may have prophesied about some demon.
When I show logic to you – you start swearing. What else can be expected from a Muslim?
Anyway, my answer has turned your face and your rear more redder. Dont worry, Mohammad is not here. You can relax now.
You are forgetting things my dear Ali. I have to keep on reminding you, you are product of muta and misyar.
Dont you think my dear Ali the stupid red faced red rear Musim – that Usain Bolt is way way better than a rapist, thuggee, scoundrel , pedophile role model of the Mohammad?
At least Mohammad should have spared Aisha – looking at the age difference? But can it be expected from a lecher?
Mohammad was 55 and Aisha 9 — when the marriage was consummated. Mohammad successfully fooled all the believers. There is where his success lies. Mohammad was able to get all the Muslims to abandon their brains.
He was able to produce a pleasure verse out of thin air. Like the one that gave him Zainab – his daugher in law – next moment he saw that Zainab fell in his lap. How can you swallow this c u m of Mohammad wholly? Could not you people show some brains? Mohammad fooled you for eternity.
He already has. Avatar.
Don't you know, the Hindus claim this to be the 'Top Dogs' of the Gods and have already started worshipping them.
They even worship Optimus Prime from Transformers. Heck these guys are so intelligent, they started to worship the London Olympics last week.
Usain Bolt is now their God of Speed!
@Loki. You studied books for 15 years, but couldn't take a course in Arabic for 9 months?
Anyway, even after you've read the English translations of all the books they don't make sense to you. No problem.
You are an atheist which to theists is the biggest joke, but you still have killed more people in the world despite being a minority? Dress it up how you want, the proof is in the pudding. So exactly who is public enemy number one when you do the maths?
So you want people to believe nothing, so that they go to nothing, which in return they get nothing. but you claim something.
Exactly what does Atheism offer mankind? (and please refrain from the humanity and golden rule rubbish)
I'm sure you must have seen my 'wager' in other posts. We are way ahead of the game mate, way ahead of the game!
Very good advice. Do that.
Yes. Isn't it beautifull.
You, no-name, must agree with that.
When adults are talking, children shouldn't speak. Didn't your parents teach you this beta?
I suppose not because Jis admee ko apney baap ka pata nehein, to wo kisi ko kya sabaq sikhaey ga. Akhir, rundee ki aulaad rundi hee hotee hai na? Kuchra jaisey be ho, kuchra he hota hai?
Speak only when you are spoken to kafir.
Your turn will come. In the meantime go play with some child bride in your flea infested village, dung worshipper. 😀
"If I told my Sikh and Hindu friends about you and your logic, they would biatch slap the schit out of you and knock some sense into your retarded brain. "
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Go ahead and bring them here; All of them!
Says who? You?
Why am I not surprised in the least. You can take the Indian out country, but you can't take the sexist out the Indian:
Read:
http://theadvocate.com/utility/homepagestories/26…
So you haven't read it I take?
I don't think they sell it in villages of the Punjab!
xD
I will say this once and once only knowTheEnemy:
'Stay off the fking crack'.
$300 dollars per year and you got dreams of taking down the 'big multi trillion dollar daddy'.
You don't even deserve to be in the USA with that type of rationale!
Your comparison is so off the radar, I cannot even compare it to anything I have seen in the history books, in my lifetime or anything in the future.
If I told my Sikh and Hindu friends about you and your logic, they would biatch slap the schit out of you and knock some sense into your retarded brain. You definitely been hanging out with hunter!
'In the process of bringing it down'. LMFAOROTFPMS. In other words, 'laughing my fking a@@ off rolling on the floor pi@@ing myself'.
You're funnier than Eddie Murphy in his prime!
And here is the latest news from Kashmir (The INDIAN Kashmir, not Azad Kashmir) –
Muslims threaten to throw acid in the face of women who don't wear veil, and use cellphones
Amin Riaz, you around?
Will any of the Muslims here fly over to Peshawar, and tell this guy that he has misunderstood Islam?
Local union representative says Taliban follow the true Islamic Shariah
A paragraph from the article:
"Meanwhile, the union representative of the area, Niaz Ahmad, justifies the printing of such material. “Who are the Taliban? They are the defenders of Islam and they follow the true Islamic Shariah. What’s wrong with what they do?” Ahmad asks."
Safwan had the best laugh and Aisha had the last laugh vis a vis the Playboy Mohammad. Safwan had not never dreamt in his life – a mere caravan boy getting to ride the mother of all believers together in his camel – all alone.
I am sure you wouldn't mind. You fking perverts are world reknowned for your perverted ways. Just look at the Mujra's you go to. Heck even your own god Rama married Sita when she was 5 and then claimed she was his sister.
Oops. Did I just burst your bubble?
Not just child brides, but full fledged incest to go with it.
Anyway Priya Rai is taking it good for the schit eating Hindus. Go girl, keep it up, the Hindus revere you and worship your b-o-o-bs. You are their goddess! Just keep taking it like that.
By the way, here is one of my favorites.
http://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/muhammad-an…
http://prophetmuhammadillustrated.com/muhammad-an…
But we still rule fkers like you?
What respect can anyone show people who worship the worshipper?
You retards would even worship elephant dung if you had half the chance!
But then you claim to be Atheist, then Hindu, then Atheist, then Hindu.
Make your mind up Sina ka paaltoo kutta.
Anyway, fk off back under the flea infested rock you crawled out of as I have better things to do with my time right now. Like watching Priya Rai getting fcked, She represents all your people.
Or for that matter you can watch even a child porn movie of the playboy Mohammad and the small Aisha. I dont care.
'Fifty shades of grey' is for women! Why were YOU reading that book?? 😮
We are in the process of bringing down however big Islam is. It isn't difficult. Islam is a big…… house of cards. We don't need much to bring it down. All we need to do is pull out a card or two, show its true face to people, and hear the sound of something big crashing down!
I watched some videos of Hindu Gods with animal heads. If James Cameron little try he can bring you your next God !
I am not disrespecting anyone who is not harming others.
Mohammad and the Muslims and Islam have disrespected everyone.
So I will continue to disrespect Mohammad and Islam and try to instil sanity in the mind of the Muslims.
The Hindus have not invaded anyone. They and their monkey god and their elephant god are peace loving. To whichever country these Hindus have gone – they have become a law abiding community. They have not sought separate laws for themselves like you Muslims do. These Hindus mix with the host community like sugar in milk.
Muslims stand out like poison in milk.
I think I'm gonna watch a movie with one of your people Priya Rai. (Google her).
After which you will know exactly what is happening to the likes of you day in and day out.
Time to go and show some love to Priya Rai.
Adios puudluu.
I will carry on teaching you tomorrow or later when I'm bored again.
Mate, the surname Dixit (pronounced dik-schit) sums it all up. No thank you.
You fkers are a minority, always have been and always will be. On top of that, you are Believers greatest enemies and vilest off creatures, plus you have the curse of God, Angels and Mankind on you.
What prayers you guys are gonna get answered, cuz it won't be on this planet?
Even talking to you guys is a curse. Thank God I am doing it from behind a screen and not in person, otherwise I would have caught AIDS and God knows what other disease from you dik worshippers.
Kuchra hameisha kuchra hota hai!
Dunya ke dushman.
You are living in a delusion. That is what I called complacency. Self complacency.
Do not. It is dangerous for you.
You are under the illusion that the Muslims are worshipping the one true God. FALSE.
Get it etched in your heart that the Muslims are worshipping the Devil/Satan/Allah in the guise of God.
In fact, Mohammad had denied that one true God when he said THERE IS NO GOD.
Then he added/inserted the Satan's name (Allah) and made himself the sole representative in the shahadah.
For worshipping the one true God you do not need any book.
For worshipping the one true God you do not need any Guru.
What you need just is sincerity. Total truthfulness and total non violence. These two things. And one sincere prayer to God to guide you. To be there for you. The one true God will definitely listen to you. He will listen to all your prayers.
But no, Islam is not the religion of the one true God. Islam is a hate ideology of Satan.
Like I said not in your lifetime. And in case you didn't realise, I am from the West.
Why you disrespecting your peoples god the monkey?
Surely a broke a@@ illiterate like you should know better. Or is that wishful thinking on our part?
Anyway, shouldn't you be going for a dip in the schit infested Ganges?
You forget again. Your forefathers dreamt of being entered from the back by Mohammad. We have never accepted Mohammad and never will. We know Mohammad as a fraud, a charlatan, an impostor. In India, we call such people 420.
Mohammad has taken Muslims for a ride. How much ride you have given him on (in) your back – only you can tell.
We only have one dream about Muslims and Islam. Mohammad should rot in hell. Islam should perish from not just the Earth, but from the Universe. And God make all the Muslims sane people and bring them out of Islam to humanity. This is my dream. This is our dream.
Again think about your safe bets. Whether choosing Islam is a safe bet or not. If you want, you can read The Art of Strategy by Avinash Dixit ( a Hindu ) . May be get something in your head to choose about. Or you can read The Art of Choosing by Sheena Iyengar ( again a Hindu/Sikh ). This will help you with more options and more choices.
Good luck.
Well we all know that will never happen as only the Muslims worship the One True God.
You personally don't even believe in God.
But your fellow Hindus worship anything and everything, so maybe the fake god elephant or snake or the dik lingam will listen to their prayers?
I don't think so!
Dream on puudl, dream on!
Ambhani's seem to be doing pretty well.
The Muslim and Christian's seem to be the smart ones then don't they Raja Babu? Why don't you take a leaf out their book? ……..Oh I forgot, that would mean travelling and meeting people of different cultures, religions and creeds. And that is way past your intellect.
Stick to the dirty mud hut you come from and keep dreaming of one day being a Muslim. You will never be, you are the cursed ones. Enemies of civilization dik worshipping fags!
That is the problem with the Muslims in India. They do not wash.
Now dont go out and personally give everyone a wash. Instead, send them some petro dollars. They will be thankful to you and one day offer their daughter of 9 years old when you are 55 years old.
I too rest my case.
And seriously, they are the ones who are having skin diseases the most community wise. This is not to ridicule you. They have boils, itching, etc always. They use perfumes lavishly. That may be one of the reason the Westerners call the Muslims smelly.
Right now the Westerners are the ones who are using the Quran as the toilet paper.
Ali the stupid red faced and red rear monkey always gets things wrong.
Now dont give yourself too much luxury. Otherwise you will have to use three stones like Mohammad used to do.
Now now, don't get cross when the Truth is hurtled at you.
Do Muslims foolishly pray 5 times per day?
Do they not foolishly wash 5 times per day in order to pray?
I rest my case.
So you see, by your own logic you are the gutter trash who don't wash for weeks on end, but you blame others.
We can smell you a mile off.
Do you even brush the teeth?
Prophet PBUH, weather is there in Holy Puranas of Hindus and in Sikh text. I am sorry to say that Joker N of Mumbai, misguides when he says that Prophet PBUH is in some Puranas say Bhavishya Purana. Perhaps from same Purana, a very great Hindu Saint takes word, Mahamod ie great joy for Prophet PBUH. In the print of Gita Press Gorakhpur, Bhavishaya Puran, Pratisarg Parv, Khand 4. I read it in 1992. There is talk of Ishputra, son of God, similar to Jesus, Further may be dealt with birth from virgin. Name is Ish(a). Very good preacher of true faith is written for him.
Then in Arabia, a demon called Mahamad(Great intoxication/proudly) is mentioned. That is in negative term.
In Sikh's Sausakhi Jews and Moses and Jesus from them are termed as Brahmins, leaving their nation but not conceding to false king Nanda perhaps(he was Buddhist, but this is not mentioned in the text).
In BansavaliNammah, Prophet PBUH is termed as Brahmin. Texts by Gurus, anyway have mark of respect for Prophet and up to the extent of agreeing him as prophet. But his name is discouraged to be said while remembering the God, many Muslim rituals are also discouraged like rosary like Tasbih, circumcision etc. . Term Mahadeen, weather for Prophet is there on not can not be said. Then Kalki is mentioned. He does good but latter becomes proud, God send Mehdi Meer to kill Kalki, Kalki is killed by Mehdi Meer, then Mehdi Meer becomes proud. God sends an insect who kills Mehdi Meer. In this story, main message is given that not to wait for any comings of Messiah or something and make your own destiny. All lies in the hand of God.
I just wanted to share, and forgive me if I offended some one. Only wanted to increase the knowledge of the readers.
You forget – Hindu community is poor here.
The Muslims and the Christians are the ones getting their money from the Gulf.
Christians and the Muslims have a heavy dowry system. In comparison to them, the Hindu dowry amount is nothing.
Yes, the Muslim folk in India pay dowry for their daughter's marriage – in Kerala and Tamil Nadu – it is this Muslim community which is buying the largest amount of gold today.
Just yesterday I read an old news as to how a Muslim husband sent the talaq through courier – when his wife did not bring in dowry – the promised gold.
Maybe so, but not in your lifetime or your families, that's for sure.
Until then, you guys will always be our chumchey!
I am happy the way I am.
God has given me enough of everything. I just pray to the one true God to get the Muslim scums away from this beautiful earth.
This is the one wish I pray is immediately fulfilled by the one true God.
You forget. It was your forefather's – who had swallowed the c-u-m of Mohammad and then are spitting.
We have never accepted Mohammad as a peace loving person – he has been a scoundrel from day one. He has never been given any sort of entry.
Whereas, your forefathers were cheated into opening their mouth to swallow the cum of Mo. Even their back side was not spared by the Playboy Prophet.
We can still see you red faced and red assed. It has been handed down to you genetically..
Try to get some cosmetic surgery done – and yes, from a Kerala doctor – because you have immense trust in them. But dont go to a Muslim doctor. He may again redden your face and your rear with his SCALPELS.
Even today you Muslims and your fathers and forefathers raise your ass so that you can be easily entered into – five times a day – Mohammad is not dead – he is sodomizing you daily – five times a day.
Not watching the Olympics, but at the Olympics watching the closing ceremony in person live. (which you can only dream of)
And yes $300 dollars is peanuts in comparison to what we earn and spend, and we don't claim to be bringing down a multi trillion dollar institution and claiming we have millions of followers/fans who cannot even muster up $300 dollars between them per year.
If that isn't a sad state of affairs, I don't what is.
It's not my fault, you were born to what you were and I was born to what I am. In your books, we call it natural selection.
You obviously cannot blame God as you don't believe in one, so who you gonna blame now considering life has dealt you a schit hand?
Long live the paisa and capitalism!
If Hindus were showing or Christians were showing conversion to their faith by Muslims, with disrespect to some Islamic article, there could have been a riot. Hindus do tolerate all this but why ?
Read all of it, Prescribed in terms of war and revenge….The Quran even went a step further to suggest forgiveness. Self-defense and revenge you will agree with me are in the very nature of man, do you expect God to take that part of man away, but he recommended forgiveness and warned man not to transgress bounds in exercising the above….Its simple, you all twist facts, mix up half truths with falsehood. I have seen all the verses you are referring me to.
Just be more complacent my friend – you need to.
One day you yourself will be using your Quran as your toilet paper. Till then indulge in all the day dreaming you want.
They already are powerhouses.
I'm just putting the gutter trash in check in order to ensure the rest of the house is in order. We have to start from somewhere, don't we?
By the way, did you wash today?
Thank God. We never try to imitate anyone.
The crow trying to imitate the gait of the swan, lost its own natural gait.
Kauwa hans ki chaal chala.
The Muslims try to imitate the Arabs and Mohammad all the time and fall.
You are too complacent of being rich. You talk as if 300$ is peanuts for you. I hope you are giving zakat to your needy, poor and hungry Muslims and not to your cousins – the terrorists.
So were you watching the Olympics or were you busy watching Ahmed and Salim? Try to learn a lesson or two from those dreaded terrorists.
But you are claiming to have brought down a multi trillion dollar system and it will be finished in another 20 years? All with $300 dollars per year as your fighting donated budget!
Get real.
Don't worry Raju. Time is a great healer. By the time you are healed, all your family members will be Muslims. It is only a matter of time.
Look around you. You cannot get away. Accept it.
Long live Islam!
Takbeer!:D
So I take it you didn't see the Olympics?
Couldn't get into the thaku'r house on time with the rest of the village clan? Never mind, you will have another chance in 4 years and maybe by then you might have bought your own t.v!
Moving back onto your dribble, maybe you guys shouldn't start imitating the West and stick to your own identity. It might just work.
Which God would act as a pimp? If Zaid was very dear to Mohammad and if Mohammad had respected Zainab as his daughter in law, then certainly Mohammad being Allah's favorite Prophet could have prayed to Allah for making the marriage of Zaid and Zainab a success despite all odds – because MOHAMMAD WAS THE FAVORITE PROPHET AND ALLAH WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO MOHAMMAD'S PRAYERS.
But no, our PLAYBOY Prophet did not pray to Allah for the long lasting marriage of his favorite adopted son. The Playboy Prophet's mind was dirty and greedy. So Allah gave a verse to the Muslims about the lust which Mohammad had in his mind and made Zainab halal for Mohammad.
This verse, the unfortunate Muslims, still have to memorize, to remind them of the lust of Mohammad.
Hasn't stopped you from opening wide and saying aahhhh, has it Raj?
They weren't parasites or virus's when you were swallowing and spitting?
If that's the case, I'll send you a book – 'Fifty shades of grey'
That will also open your eyes amongst other things?
Why dont you put your Pakistani and your Afghani/Irani/Iraqi brothers in check? You will be doing a yeoman service to your Muslim community.
You will make your Muslim community a bigger powerhouse
Why don't you ask hunter knowThe Enemy?
You seem to be congratulating him when he's saying he really schagged someone!
Maybe he's read the Hindu Purans and 'jam ke gand mari'.
You agree?
Mohammad's and Muslim's logic :-
A 55 year old Mohammad having marriage and sex with Aisha a 9 year old girl.
Had it been a 13 year old boy and 9 year old girl – then also one could have convinced oneself somehow – that it is not called pedophile – both are of small/young age.
But how can anyone justify or fill logic in the argument when a person claiming to be God's prophet marries and has sex when the girl is only 9 years and the age difference nearly 45 years.
Mohammad was old enough to be her great grandfather.
Which logic works there?
Two charges here – a pedophile and a great age difference
No it's not. You are being unfair. You have given him 79 points too much for his IQ!
you may have heard about the tailless monkey.
God has given us a nice brain – and for your information we have not mortgaged it with Mohammad, the way you have.
A jaundiced eye always sees yellow about others. The problem lies in your eyes.
You do not have brains and you indulge in wishful thinking that others too are tailless. Smell the coffee and accept that your brain has been submitted to Mohammad aka Satan aka Devil.
Of course it was Raj.
Not withholding the fact that in India the ancient link between gold and dowries is one of the main reasons India is the world's biggest consumer of the yellow metal.
Even today some families start amassing gold as soon as a daughter is born in preparation for her eventual nuptials.
The connection between gold and marriage is enshrined in Hindu mythology. BS legend has it that when Venkateswara an incarnation of Vishnu, wanted to marry the princess Padmavati he sought a loan of gold from Kuber, the god of wealth, to pay her father. And the worst thing is, devotees still donate gold and jewellery at certain temples in a symbolic gesture to help Venkateswara win the hand of the princess.
But a dimwit like you blames the Arabs for taking it, when it's your own people using it and giving it away to statues?
Yes.
I was happy this time the Muslims kept silent at London.
But in Mumbai these Muslim thugs had turned violent citing about violence elsewhere. Two died in the violence unleashed by the Muslims in Mumbai.
Another news that appeared today was
Mumbai law graduate Pallavi Purkayastha's killer was driven by lust http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-…
the religion of peace aka islam has a habit of remaining in the news through the deeds of the muslims.
But you said Allah is Satan? Even though you don't believe in both?
How can you deduce logic into something and label it, when you deny it's very existence?
@Vijay. India is soon to become a powerhouse and is a emerging market, which we already acknowledge. It's the people like hunter who are holding it back.
I'm just putting him in check.
What violence are you referring to? Just acknowledge that God approves of war in the instances of self defence, If its those verses you have read and mixed up with false stories from unreliable historical sources….then Mr. Raj…Do your study again, stop relying on hearsay
Dream on Raju beta, dream on!
Ye aap ki ghalty nehein, ye oopar waley ki hai jis ne aap ko damaag nein diya.
In other words, it's not your fault, it's you Creators fault who didn't give you a brain.
ok we don't have money, but at least we don't live in fear of a fictitious Hellfire.
Also read this news report (link below). Do you think all those people who died, and their loved ones, care about how much money they have? They suffer not because of how much (or how little) money they have, but because they believe in Islam.
Pak terror attacks have killed about 4000 in 2012 so far
// Hell hole of Satan you can't see yourself. //
Yes, thats where Mohammad came from and is now shoving all the Muslims into.
Don't hate, just appreciate.
Hate mongers like you come dime a dozen.
Anyway, did you see the closing ceremony of the Olympics?
Ali Sina's email is [email protected]
Hell hole of Satan you can't see yourself.
Your IQ 78 !
Is there any truth call you got in life to behave real in life than hypocrite (delicious food consumer) ?
How long you will keep smiling with Muslims and criticizing Islam back biting on internet. Truth dares isn't it ?
Satan is a mythical character from the Bible.He is the epitome of evil.Neither he exists,nor God,nor Iblees,nor Allah.
I think here the discussion is based on the comparative qualities of these characters.Some qualities of Allah as described in the Quran matches that of Satan in the Bible.That's all.Satan and Iblees are the villains in the Bible and Quran respectively.The statement I made is logical,it hasn't got anything to do with the actual existence of these mythical characters in the physical world.
I hope this clears your conclusion about my position 🙂
I don't believe any more in Allah/God/Satan/Iblees/Djinns/fairies/angels than I do believe in /Medusa/Yeti/Unicorn/Minotaur/Fire Breathing Dragon.
"Loki have you ever read the Quran without hating it?"
After the whole world started criticizing Mohd. and Islam post 9/11,I found it a little painful as I had(still have) some muslim friends who are lovely people.I even went to Bakr-Id feasts to their homes on their invitation.I went last year too,because the food is delicious! 🙂
With all the criticisms pouring in,I decided to pick up reputed Quran translations and read them.I vowed to myself that I'll remain as objective as possible before drawing any conclusion about it.I had started with the Vedas and Upanishads when I was 10 years old.Then I read the New Testament.And finally the Quran.I finished reading these books when I was 25,and I came to a conclusion that the three major religions of the World are false and inaccurate.I'm an atheist today,to much chagrin of my parents.
"have u ever asked why Mohammed SAW invade Mecca and Medina??"
I have studied why Mohd. invaded Mecca and Medina,and didn't find a good reason to justify both of those wars."Allah told me to fight" isn't a good enough justification to kill people and take their wives as slaves.Refusal to accept a new religion is not reason enough to be attacked and killed.Muhammad himself destroyed Pagan idols,showing scanty respect for the faith of others.And it wasn't only Mecca and Medina,Mohd.'s army attacked and killed other Arabian tribes as well.Only a handful of Mohd's wars were defensive in nature.
"Did u find any mistakes in Ali Sina's post?"
Yes Ali Sina is a human being and he is not perfect.I had vehemently opposed him on a few issues.But his analysis of Islam is more accurate than most Islamic apologists like Zakir Naik,Hamza Tzortzis,Yusuf Estes etc.These people are dishonest in their analysis and speeches,and deficient in knowledge.Sina at least shows the humility to say he is no scholar,and his views can be discussed and debated.Among Islamic scholars,I have only found Hamza Yusuf to have a well-rounded knowledge of Islam.
"as u jump into ur own conclusions" I haven't jumped into conclusions.I took a lot of pains to study reputed Quranic translations by Shahih International,Yusuf Ali,Muhsin Khan and Pickthall as I didn't want to base my opinion on a single translation.Along with the vow I had taken to read Quran objectively I had also vowed that if I found that the accusations were true,I'll criticize Islam till my last breath.I'm doing the same today.I also criticize Christians and Hindus,but most of them don't follow their texts literally and hence I don't find many areas of conflict of opinion.
A book which calls to violence can never be the word of the true God.
"i copied it from a book"
That says it all.You're a plagiarizer.I didn't accuse you wrongly.You've proved my accusation to be correct!Obviously there are many copies of that apologist material on the Web.And you've not written anything original on your behalf.Anyone can paste anything on Quantum mechanics and claim to be an expert.Your basic knowledge on Islam is very poor.Read the Quran and haidths again.
"What if I'm the author?"
Your general standard of English is considerably poor than the stuff you copy pasted.That made it clear to me you weren't the author.From wherever it was copied,it doesn't change the fact that you're a plagiarizer.You yourself accepted it when you said "I copied…."
"I tot you were interested in facts" Of course I am interested in 'facts'!But you didn't copy paste facts!You copy pasted somebody else's opinion!And even that opinion violates the spirit of the Quran.Allah says Quran is a "clear book".It doesn't need to be interpreted with so much twisting.The original author is a petty Islamic apologist with feeble Quranic knowledge.
"How are you different from the jihadist who also hate, insult and take it a step further kill people who don't believe in their ideologies"
Bravo! You just stated the difference yourself! I don't kill people,nor do I support killing them.I don't hate muslims in general.I have "at least 10" friends who are muslims by birth,and they know my views on Islam and religion.I love good people irrespective of color,country,race and religion.I try to help those in need of help.But I don't respect false ideologies.I respect good human beings,I don't respect criminals.I strongly advocate that we have the right to criticize religion,like we do have in case of other ideologies like Capitalism or Communism.
I want to be in a world where:-
"Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls" – Tagore
Yes, friend all the golds were taken away by the Arab and the Muslim nations unfortunately.
Dear friend Agracean,
Your comments don't sound too Indian or even white.. If I am correct, what brought you here? I suspect most (if not all) FFI visitors are from India, greater India and the Indian sub continent. It is a pity they are wasting their energy helping the wests fight Islam and not concentrate more on winning golds at the olympic.
$300 dollars per year! You and your fan club should be ashamed of yourselves. Even a beggar on the streets of India and Iran get muster up more donations than this.
And there was me ridiculing $300 per month.
The only advice I can give you Ali Sina is if since 1994, you can only muster of $300 dollars per year from your fan club and Muslim apostates, pack up, shut everything down and find your self another hobby! This hatemongering rhetoric of yours is definitely not paying and neither is it attracting the revenue that you so wished.
This is even worse than I thought.
And now you have the balls to say you are making a movie and have serious backers? You mean they will invest the full $600 dollars required for the epic blockbuster?
Listen Ali Sina, I have much more money than you will ever have and will ever make on your book sale or film release. Plus I have access to serious financiers in the Muslim world. These guys will make you see stars and telephone numbers. But we don't go out hatemongering. We live and let live and do business with everyone without compulsion. You need to take tips. You don't have to sell yourself short, just to get funders in. If what you say is correct and the product you are promoting is viable, the 'buyers' will come. These are the laws of business. You've been promoting your product for years and you've still yet to cover your costs. Apply for bankruptcy protection while there's still time.
$300 per year. What a joke!
By the way, I saw an old picture of you recently and you are not too young, if that picture is to be believed. Yes, you do look Iranian, but then you also look Indian or Arab. But one thing is for sure, you are an old codger and already have one foot in the grave. Can't see you lasting 30 years. No chance. You're already touching your 60's/70's.
There goes your anonymosity.
Not to worry though, judging by that picture, no one is gonna look for you. You all look the bloody same!
Have you seen Mohammad in whose name you people are ready to kill innocent humans?
Now that is what I call you getting a red rear. Who did it to you? Mohammad?
How can you comment about Islam or Mohammed in any way, shape or form Raj, when you have no idea about the other books by your own admission and are an illiterate?
This makes you dumber than you already are?
Why would you be an expert on Islam without first checking your own belief system and that of your forefathers in India?
The more I push you, the more dribble you start spewing. This is classical responses from the accursed, deaf, dumb and blinded pagans like you, who are the enemies of civilization. When God said that you guys were the greatest of enemies to Believers, he was 110% right as the proof is always in the pudding?
There's an old saying which goes something like this – 'if you got nothing good to say, then say nothing at all'. Please take heed.
But in all fairness, judging by what I have seen, that's about much chance of happening as you getting a dunda in the mornings when you wake up! Never.
So keep barking and we'll keep throwing a bone at you now and then.
please check this up http://19.org/767/reformist-vs-sectarian/
Know the truth, please check this link up, tell me what you think on the issue you are discussing currently http://19.org/767/reformist-vs-sectarian/
Hi Rainbow, it doesn't matter to Ms Ali Sina at all because I think that he is a Hermaphrodite, having two genders. That's why I have the faith and the freedom to address Ali Sina as 'Ms'. I believe that our dear Ms Ali Sina will be very touched after reading my this sincere and truthful comment about her identity. 😛
I suspect that Qualified Sunni cleric want to marry you so he is misguiding you to get Talak from your husband.
'If we can\'t prove Muhammad was a criminal based on thousands of stories reported by his followers and companions then how can you accept him as a prophet.'That's the Question the court ask when the victim still insist he is not guilty, Even it the victim knows he is clearly innocent in the court. Keep behaving like the stubborn lawyers, keep asking your questions. I know you feel all justified. keep it up okay. thats all i have to say to you
// This is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideologies (atheism) have killed before the 20th Century:
China221 B.C.-19 C.33,519,000
Mongols14 C-15 C29,927,000
Slavery of Africans1451-187017,267,000
Amer-Indians16 C-19 C13,778,000
Thirty Years War1618-16485,750,000
In India13 C-1 9 C4,511,000
In Iran5 C-19 C2,000,000
Ottoman Empire12 C-19 C2,000,000
In Japan1570-19 C1,500,000
In Russia10 C-19 C1,007,000
French Revolution1793-1794263,000
And this is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideology (atheism) has killed since the 20th Century:
U.S.S.R.1917-87 61,911,000
China (PRC)1949-87 35,236,000
China (Mao Soviets)1923-49 3,466,000
Cambodia1975-79 2,035,000
Vietnam1945-87 1,670,000
Poland1945-48 1,585,000
Yugoslavia (Tito)1944-87 1,072,000
North Korea1948-87 1,663,000
Russia1900-17 1,066,000
This is not me or Islam saying this, it is the Centre for National Security Law, School of Law, University of Virginia saying it. //
Those were Revolutions and world wars.
I told you I am not the atheist of the kind you are. I am an atheist who believes in humanity.
You are an atheist believing in Satan/Mohammad and the devil's ideology. You people are the worst atheists.
Like every taqiyya that you and Mohammad have used, Islam is a big lie – a big taqiyya.
Islam does not believe in God. Yes.
Islam believes in Satan/Allah/Mohammad/Devil/Iblees. YES.
Mohammad himself denied God.
There is no God.
So Islam is Satan's religion.
Islam is the most atheistic religion for the people who worship the Devil aka Satan aka Lucifer aka Mohammad aka Allah.
Get that thing drilled in your brain pretty well.
I believe in a one true God. This one true God loves humanity. This one true God does not send down Prophets who kill people.
Only the Devil aka Allah aka Mohammad the person with big egos (narcissists), big greed, big lust, etc. is the real atheist.
And Muslims are the followers of this big atheist Mohammad.
Mohammad successfully fooled Muslims like you that Allah was God, whereas in reality Mohammad's Allah is the alter ego of Mohammad.
How to tell true men of God from hypocrites?
True men of God never commit violence. True men of God do not harm others. True men of God rather suffer than inflict suffering on others. True men of God are not lustful. True men of God are never greedy.
Mohammad had all the negatives in him. Mohammad was never forgiving, just like the Muslims of today.
@Ali the slave of Mohammad.
// The reason why you cannot comment on other books is because if you do, you fall foul of whatever ideology you follow. Whether it be God based belief or non God based belief. It's a lose-lose position for you. //
I do not know much about those books to comment.
// How the Fk an Hindu like you can be promoting Atheism is beggars belief. But I suppose you guys are so full of venom that anyone except Islam will do. You guys will ***** yourselves out to anyone as long as the price is right! And right now Ali Sina IS your God and his price is right. Heck, if you guys can worship a dik (literally – lingam) why not worship Ali Sina? //
As I told you I am not a Hindu. But yes, I like and respect Hinduism. It is very compatible with Mother Nature.
// Coming from South India, you need to come out the Bollywood fantasy world and get with the real world. And the subjective links from the anti Islamic websites you posted as evidence, is the biggest amount of crocschit I have seen in decades. Give something unbiased and neutral if you can or shove where the sun never shines. //
Whatever your mind does not accept – becomes croc****. I pray that one day Mohammad too becomes a croc**** for you.
// Like I said before, STFU and get on with your life //
I can understand your signature.
// Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so exactly which sword is being used for it's expansion? In the UK alone, over the last 10 years, over 100,000 people converted to Islam with the average person being white, female and 27 years of age. Exactly which sword was used here?
Which sword was used in Indonesia?
Which sword was used since 1900 to 2009 to increase Islam from 200 million to 1.57 billion?
Please enlighten us. //
And what about before the conversions prior to 1900?
I have told you before cancer cells multiply fast.
Secondly, fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Many fools have converted. Secondly, the Muslim population increasing geometric progression due to the four wives and twenty children policy of the Muslims. Quality is absent. Quanity is abundant.
The father does not have the time to train the child -as he moves from home of first wife to home of second wife and to the home of third wife and to the home of the fourth wife – his mission to satisfy all those wives in one night like Mohammad did. Finally exhausted, he neglects his children's upbringing. The Maulvis/Imams/Mullahs/Sheikhs take care of the children at the madrassa. They teach the children Taliban style ideology. They sodomize the children and in the process make them future jihadis.
Beg, borrow or steal – but money must be brought at home – this is the mantra given by the Muslim father to his adolescent boy.
No value based education and upbringing. The children learn to steal, lie, etc. The way Mohammad did.
Mohammad called lying taqiyaa and looting/plundering highway caravans a religious duty.
I pity you. You cannot comprehend what civilization/culture means.
// So, unless you can back your dribble up with impartial indisputable facts, stick to dreaming of one day becoming a Bollywood actor and singing to some bird whilst running in the field with a white scarf around your neck all the while miming the song and then saving her from a band of 20 goons using back flips from a skyscraper and landing on your feet unscathed!
Boom! //
I am no Sharukh Khan of Bollywood my dear Ali the muzzy.
I am well grounded. I have my feet on the ground and love people who are down to earth.
I know you people are in the Paradise shopping apples as you said and perhaps eyeing those 72 virgins and the 28 young boys and debating whose service be called for.
So, wish you a happy floating in wine and eating grapes and enjoying houris – all Mohammad and Islamic style.
Telling Mohammad to STFU will be more easy and a lot beneficial to all in the world my dear stupid Ali.
My belief is simple. I believe in humanity. I believe in all that is goodness. And if God is all that goodness, then I am the greatest faithful ever.
Whereas, you low life, are followers of the scoundrel Mohammad.
Mohammad's life was successful. How? Because he got foolish followers called Muslims, who would open their rear anytime Mohammad wanted to so'do'mize. Muslims submitted their a$$ to Mohammad willingly anytime anyplace.
Mohammad's life was successful. How? Because he got people who would come and mortgage their brain with him. Any stupid idea would be swallowed by these low life followers whom he called Muslims.
Waste of humans, that is what Muslims are. You people are using up precious resources and precious oxygen.
If Mohammad had been told to STFU earlier so many people would have been saved.
First of all the 6 year old Aisha could have been saved from the 53 year old sexmaniac called Mohammad the Satan.
But then you are all inbred from day one, when Fatima married Ali. Ali was Mohammad's cousin and Fatima was Mohammad's daughter. Such close relations marrying. No wonder, your brain would not have fetched much – thats why you mortgaged it with Mohammad.
Please Elaborate, don't understand. are you refering to verse 3.34 or verse 4.34?
You are right.
Just understand that inspite of the odds we are against, this fight against Islam is necessary.
It is not the question of when Islam will be eliminated from the face of the Earth. It is just the question of how soon.
Pretty soon.
Thats a promise my dear Ali the stupid Muslim. But again the word stupid is redundant.
Do you think that all India and former India is just rot ? Who is behind this rotting of India ?
There is no law in Hindus or Christians to copy some one's act to get into Heaven.
Yes. Islam is a deadly virus. A menace. A pest. A parasite. Whatever you can call it.
Mr.Sina,
I have read so many articles of yours but I never commented because I didn't take them seriously enough to have an opinion and comment. The reason I'm commenting now is because it's all coming back to me now, I find truth in all your claims about Islam and Muslims.
I live in USA but I am European. I am concerned about the number of Muslims immigrating to Europe, what is your suggestion? how do we as normal citizens of the world resist the spread of this evil?
Muslims are a menace wherever they go.
No you don't retard hunter. Saala aisey baat karta hai, jaise is ke baap ka raaj hai?
Yes, India's medical staff are world renowned from Kerala and do produce top tier medical staff which are poached by the West.
Your call centres are doing fine as well and so are your I.T. specialists.
But then so are the slaves working in the Middle East for the Arabs who by the way are an asset to your economy with the amount of foreign funds they send back to India.
You on the other hand, couldn't even get a job abroad, let alone a visa to travel.
Stick to herding the cows and scooping up the cow dung, separate to your taxi job.
You are the one who was claiming, mein ne Ali ki jam se gaand mari, to knowTheEnemy were you not?
My toilet cleaners get more than you so STFU dung scooper!
Saala gaand marney aya thaa.
If you did donate, you'd be left starving for the rest of the month Raj. In case you didn't realise, rupees don't get you very far as their exchange rate is schit. And the Iranian Rial is even worse.
No wonder you and your Guru are finding it hard to make ends meet!
Long live the Petro Dollars.
How do they say it in your lingo………………….Petrol-dollar zindabaad!
So verse 3:34 has now become 8:30,eh Sina?
Congratulations,your insanity is now confirmed.
On one hand you claim Atheism and on the other hand you claim believing in One God, Raj?
All I can say to you is stay off the crack!
You cannot back up one point I have raised with logical indisputable facts. Everything you have said is either skirting around the side boards or subjective personal opinion.
When I said to you STFU and get on with your life, after seeing your responses, it now becomes even more compulsory for you to STFU and get on with your life as this is way above your pay grade.
Adios sheeple.
Answer the question? Christians are doing it in Bolivia and Mexico as we speak. So are Hindus in India?
We are not talking 1400 years ago when it was perceived as the norm in the respective societies.
Do you condemn Christianity and Hinduism in his day and age?
Dear Ali Sina, Can you please email me the pdf " Understanding Muhammad".I am ready to read your book. I have already read all your articles and intense debates, which is enough info one needs to leave Islam.Can you also forward me your email adress, would be much appreciated.
Regarding Talak a Qualified Sunni cleric told me that if your husband crtisizes your food or mentions anything about you that he dislikes, it is regarded as a Talak . Even if a husband threatens to leave her it is regarded as a talak.Imagine a woman has to please her husband all the time to prevent critisism from her husband. If you look at it in this way, then really, how many musllim woman are really halaal for their muslim husband?
Loki have you ever read the Quran without hating it???
have u ever asked why Mohammed SAW invade Mecca and Medina??
Did u find any mistakes in Ali Sina's post?? i bet u would say no
as u jump into ur own conclusions ill let the ppl who are not Muslims and are not against Islam think about their decisions
u r right,, Ali Sina is explaining the verses as he wants
UNFORTUNATELY everyone believes what he says ,,
oh, but its ok for a man to do all of the above.
The petro dollars are busy buying and silencing anti islam websites.
Get back to thread ! Why don't you donate this website ? Why can't this website get funds when funds for right cause is no problem?
The Muslims have never been in the forefront in rushing/giving aid when natural calamities affect people/countries. Even when the Muslim nations are affected the aid that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries give is just a pittance – of what the US and other Western democracies give.
That pittance by the Muslims to the affected Muslim countries is given like alms to a beggar.
Even during the earthquake in Pakistan, the Muslim charities were miles away.
Why you failed to prove you serve humanity?
British UKAID is matching pound per pound zakat(donation) during ramadan
http://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/Ramadan_Campaign…
By your definition then Allajh cannot be God.
http://alisina.org/what-is-god/
“You mean the one that can barely give him $300 dollars per month in donations to keep his websites running?”
It is not per month. It is per year. This site is maintained solely by me.
Meet the challenge of the Quran? You mean Muhammad’s logical fallacy that says produce a sura like this? Your brain is indeed on Isalm. Any sane person can see the Quran is a book of nonsense and only an ignoramus suffering from temporal lobe epilepsy would write a book like that. Read my book to see why the Quran is composed the way it is.
If we can’t prove Muhammad was a criminal based on thousands of stories reported by his followers and companions then how can you accept him as a prophet. If the stories written by Muslims about him are invalid and the obvious violence and and ignorance inherent in the Quran are not enough to see him as an impostor, by what evidence do you accept him as a prophet? Do you have any proof that he was a prophet other than his own claim?
Thanks to Ali Sina – you people are able to download your Islamic diarrhoea here on this website.
Mohammad had a diarrhoea – that stinking mass is called Muslim Ummah or the Muslims. Everytime Mohammad farted there came along a gaseous Muslim from his rectum.
You are pretty all air. Just like the gas of Mohammad.
// This is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideologies (atheism) have killed before the 20th Century:
China221 B.C.-19 C.33,519,000
Mongols14 C-15 C29,927,000
Slavery of Africans1451-187017,267,000
Amer-Indians16 C-19 C13,778,000
Thirty Years War1618-16485,750,000
In India13 C-1 9 C4,511,000
In Iran5 C-19 C2,000,000
Ottoman Empire12 C-19 C2,000,000
In Japan1570-19 C1,500,000
In Russia10 C-19 C1,007,000
French Revolution1793-1794263,000
And this is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideology (atheism) has killed since the 20th Century:
U.S.S.R.1917-87 61,911,000
China (PRC)1949-87 35,236,000
China (Mao Soviets)1923-49 3,466,000
Cambodia1975-79 2,035,000
Vietnam1945-87 1,670,000
Poland1945-48 1,585,000
Yugoslavia (Tito)1944-87 1,072,000
North Korea1948-87 1,663,000
Russia1900-17 1,066,000
This is not me or Islam saying this, it is the Centre for National Security Law, School of Law, University of Virginia saying it. //
Those were Revolutions and world wars.
I told you I am not the atheist of the kind you are. I am an atheist who believes in humanity.
You are an atheist believing in Satan/Mohammad and the devil's ideology. You people are the worst atheists.
Like every taqiyya that you and Mohammad have used, Islam is a big lie – a big taqiyya.
Islam does not believe in God. Yes.
Islam believes in Satan/Allah/Mohammad/Devil/Iblees. YES.
Mohammad himself denied God.
There is no God.
So Islam is Satan's religion.
Islam is the most atheistic religion for the people who worship the Devil aka Satan aka Lucifer aka Mohammad aka Allah.
Get that thing drilled in your brain pretty well.
I believe in a one true God. This one true God loves humanity. This one true God does not send down Prophets who kill people.
Only the Devil aka Allah aka Mohammad the person with big egos (narcissists), big greed, big lust, etc. is the real atheist.
And Muslims are the followers of this big atheist Mohammad.
Mohammad successfully fooled Muslims like you that Allah was God, whereas in reality Mohammad's Allah is the alter ego of Mohammad.
How to tell true men of God from hypocrites?
True men of God never commit violence. True men of God do not harm others. True men of God rather suffer than inflict suffering on others. True men of God are not lustful. True men of God are never greedy.
Mohammad had all the negatives in him. Mohammad was never forgiving, just like the Muslims of today.
@Ali the slave of Mohammad.
// The reason why you cannot comment on other books is because if you do, you fall foul of whatever ideology you follow. Whether it be God based belief or non God based belief. It's a lose-lose position for you. //
I do not know much about those books to comment.
// How the Fk an Hindu like you can be promoting Atheism is beggars belief. But I suppose you guys are so full of venom that anyone except Islam will do. You guys will ***** yourselves out to anyone as long as the price is right! And right now Ali Sina IS your God and his price is right. Heck, if you guys can worship a dik (literally – lingam) why not worship Ali Sina? //
As I told you I am not a Hindu. But yes, I like and respect Hinduism. It is very compatible with Mother Nature.
// Coming from South India, you need to come out the Bollywood fantasy world and get with the real world. And the subjective links from the anti Islamic websites you posted as evidence, is the biggest amount of crocschit I have seen in decades. Give something unbiased and neutral if you can or shove where the sun never shines. //
Whatever your mind does not accept – becomes croc****. I pray that one day Mohammad too becomes a croc**** for you.
// Like I said before, STFU and get on with your life //
I can understand your signature.
// Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so exactly which sword is being used for it's expansion? In the UK alone, over the last 10 years, over 100,000 people converted to Islam with the average person being white, female and 27 years of age. Exactly which sword was used here?
Which sword was used in Indonesia?
Which sword was used since 1900 to 2009 to increase Islam from 200 million to 1.57 billion?
Please enlighten us. //
before 1900?
I have told you before cancer cells multiply fast.
Secondly, fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Many fools have converted. Secondly, the Muslim population increasing geometric progression due to the four wives and twenty children policy of the Muslims. Quality is absent. Quanity is abundant.
The father does not have the time to train the child -as he moves from home of first wife to home of second wife and to the home of third wife and to the home of the fourth wife – his mission to satisfy all those wives in one night like Mohammad did. Finally exhausted, he neglects his children's upbringing. The Maulvis/Imams/Mullahs/Sheikhs take care of the children at the madrassa. They teach the children Taliban style ideology. They sodomize the children and in the process make them future jihadis.
Beg, borrow or steal – but money must be brought at home – this is the mantra given by the Muslim father to his adolescent boy.
No value based education and upbringing. The children learn to steal, lie, etc. The way Mohammad did.
Mohammad called lying taqiyaa and looting/plundering highway caravans a religious duty.
I pity you. You cannot comprehend what civilization/culture means.
// So, unless you can back your dribble up with impartial indisputable facts, stick to dreaming of one day becoming a Bollywood actor and singing to some bird whilst running in the field with a white scarf around your neck all the while miming the song and then saving her from a band of 20 goons using back flips from a skyscraper and landing on your feet unscathed!
Boom! //
I am no Sharukh Khan of Bollywood my dear Ali the muzzy.
I am well grounded. I have my feet on the ground and love people who are down to earth.
I know you people are in the Paradise shopping apples as you said and perhaps eyeing those 72 virgins and the 28 young boys and debating whose service be called for.
So, wish you a happy floating in wine and eating grapes and enjoying houris – all Mohammad and Islamic style.
I read the verse again, with both my eyes and my mind open, and I noticed something that I hadn't before. The verse does not say beat them (women) if they rebel, it says to beat them even if you fear that she might rebel. Here is the verse again-
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great
In other words, if a Muslim even as much as suspects that his wife is being disobedient, then he can just go ahead and beat her. I also read the two links that you posted, and I invite everyone to check out those links (especially the second one), so they can see how brainwashed the Muslims are.
btw, Are you Muslim or a Muslimah?
"Whole X-Men series is more entertaining than Hinduism !"
———-
Are you saying that you have read the Hindu Purans??
We are not cursed by God. We have faith in God, in goodness. We do not commit violence, like you do – because your God is impotent and will want you to commit violence here and there – everytime. Mohammad was a product of violence. So he continued doing his violence.
As Ali Sina has said, Mohammad must have been abused when he was a child – these are the marks of the pedophile and the narcissist .
It is this violence, the present day Muslim is continuing. There is nothing peaceful about Islam, Mohammad and Muslims.
Now your true color shows.
/ You have the guts to criticize Islam, look at your
senseless, ridiculous religion. /
Therefore you both looked like same to me.
Geeee…..you are filthy out side and inside too.
You have the guts to criticize Islam, look at your
senseless, ridiculous religion.
Yes indeed…why should Muslims or non-Muslims reply to your
bull-sh? I am replying just to throw to you a bone, it might shut
up the barking dog.
At least Muslims are clean, and you sleep on your sh—-t,
you proved that your religion is trashy, because all that
came out of your mouth is nothing but trash.
You can laugh now, and very soon you will laugh without
teeth, because one of your cows will kick the sh—t out of you.
Ali Sina does not care about how you address him/her because he/she
prefere to be anonymous. But I am 100% positive he is a HE.
For the record, everything you guys speak, I understand!
English please Hunter. Not the lingo you are accustomed to when you are getting banged.
We are not in India now and this site is not in butt butt language.
And for the record, the gand that you mari is your maa ki, and that's because your baap couldn't do it, so you had to step in and complete the deed.
As they say, 'saala haraami baat karta hai, behnchud kunjar ki aulaad'!
That sounds about right does it not, hunter?
Don't worry mate, I got access to your lingo without you even knowing it.
So next time you want yo give your illiterate self some props, think twice, otherwise you will be getting the gaand banged out of you daily!
Thanks for making it easy for me. Now read the complete verse again,this time with your eyes and mind open. If you have trouble understanding the verse,which I know is the case,read these.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/41199
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/2083
Whole X-Men series is more entertaining than Hinduism ! gods with animal heads are actually mutants as wolverine lol
We might take curses from the common folk like you, but you guys are cursed by God, the Angels and all mankind.
I'd take the curses from you common folk any-time hand down.
2:161 Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers will have God´s curse upon them, as well as the angels´ and all mankind´s.
There you have it Raj, straight from the source.
Learning the fking English language would be a good start with you hunter.
Can you please repeat everything you have just said in clear precise concise English. Not in butt butt ding ding broken Hindenglish, but in ENGLISH, so we can make heads and tails of what the fk you are talking about.
No wonder people like you are slave labourers for the Arabs! Dumb as fk.
Just look at what you post generally and what you just posted. It's jibberish bollywood baffle.
Ali, I'm going to ask you two questions-
1) Can God take avatar in this world ?
2) Has God even taken avatar in this world?
'avatar' means incarnation. A response will be really appreciated.
So Loki, exactly what would your guess be with Iblees if Allah is Satan, considering you do not believe in a God and no one has ever proved there to be Creator?
Exactly where does Satan fit into your equation?
Take your time.
That was great, hunter! You will have to improve your language though. Julia was banned from this site a couple of days ago for using bad language (among other things).
The officer you say, several cases of people who are convicted and executed in court because they were wrongly investigated. Even with today's sophisticated information collection and investigation tools. according to statistics, about 5, 000 to 10, 000 people are wrongly convicted in the US. put in your mind that these convictions are based on facts they gathered, either wrongly interpreted or wrong facts. again, these people were not convicted 280 years after their crime like you are doing to the prophet and claiming you are definitely right? This innocent people are made to look like villains and perpetrators of the said crime, with all the investigation equipments sometimes involving high intelligence investigations are still convicted. So think about this!For the verses you are quoting above, You see what you want to see. You understand what you want to understand. Your views are yours, My views are mine! i know i am not the only one who understands it this way, you can chose to go with your bigoted understanding.You are fund of claiming your understanding of Islam is right! what impetus? whose scientist goes around claiming her or his hypothesis is correct and every scientist hypothesis is not the truth and they should accept theirs. Thats the argument you make sina. Thats a very lame argument! stick to your version of what is correct! stubbornly stick to it and play all gimmicks to reject the truth! You sectarian extremist brothers too also behave the same way, you only have different polarity with them. Take care
Don't worry hunter, it is not your fault, you are only the by product of your environment. (pagan idol worshippers). Have you started worshipping the iphone 4s yet. That's a pretty new model?
By well paid you mean a few thousand rupees here and there? Anyway, in all fairness, it's not about what you earn or how poor you are. That's what you call Karma as you must have schagged some donkey in your previous life and are being punished for it now by being born a Hindu.
Go to sleep now as it is getting late where you are and you have plenty customers to pick up in the morning on your taxi runs. (Mechanical Engineer) LMAO. I'm surprised you didn't say you was a doctor or I.T. specialist.
Adios, Jogi Bear.
Good night and wankk tight butt butt ding ding!
….sir kaise-kaise chutiye aate hai,,,,,,,,,,yaha pe….."ALI"……..ki aj maine jam ke gand mari………
The Sina fan club? You mean the one that can barely give him $300 dollars per month in donations to keep his websites running?
Take the honorary doctorate and shove it straight up Uranus.
Moving onto the points, Ali Sina cannot answer anything to do with Islam. You guys are the minority and always will be. Despite what you say or do, Islam keeps growing.
Why don't you the fans and Ali Sina (yes, all 10 of you) get together and meet the challenge of the Quran. He knows exactly what it is, but can never do it. Go on, ask him. You seem to kiss his a-s-s on a daily basis, so a few more kissing sessions won't do you any harm.
Answer what rationally? His BS and war mongering rhetoric? Fk right off and take a running jump hunter. You guys are just as retarded as each other.
Jacks of all trades and masters of none!
…………abbe gan$u…..i do not deny that they are part of our history………..we do not hanker around it……..we moved on…….
"You mean like your Goddess mother Durga who was banged silly?"
……..what bull sh!t you are talking about…….we respect women in our religion……..secondly, "durga" is embodiment of valour……"lakshi"……….embodiment of prosperity………."saraswati"………..embodiment of knowledge……
"Or do you mean like the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods? "
……that was a practice in early tribal societies……..it is no more./qoute me an example if you can these days………..but for a muslim father it is justified to fcuk his teenage girl…..coz allah said to do him in dreams……what a fcuk???
…….today indians believe in rule of law, democracy, secularism…………despite so much of diversities and poverty we are a functional democracy and respected world wide for that……..many countries…who got independence fell prey to dictatorship……..every where…..asia, LAC, africa……indians are most law abiding people across the world……….they are the richest community in almost european countries……….they believe in hardwork….(karma)…..
"Or do you mean the 'holy dip' during the solar eclipse when your yogis go starkers in the water all together? Gay Indian Pride! "
……you mussy subscribe to tribal story book in 21st century would never understand science…….that too written by a psycho prophet to meet his ambitions………had it been almighty's book there would have been science……….during eclipses……there is unique position of heavenly bodies……and then come certain specific radiations………it has also effects on world water bodies…….but this is too much for a madarsa educated to know……..
''On a final note, don't worry about me, ask your mother where the fk you came from? You'll be surprised when she tells you, your middle name is Ali? "
……do not worry about my identity….i am a born hindu….and i will die as such………..but ask your grand parents………..better you grand ma (i feel so compelled to stoop this low………but i have to answer a pig)…………who fcuked her………coz pisslam is a new religion…….and was spread this way only………
"Go figure, taxi driver."
….why you mussy pigs think such low………there is a broad world around………come out of your tailoring shop, mechanic garage etc………..
……..with my belief in hard work and grace of almighty……….i am a graduate of premier institute of the country and i am a well paid mechanical engineer.,……..
………ha ha……….i can laugh at you ha ha…….
……there is poor life with pisslam………..one filled with hatred and low self esteem………..
…ha ha ha ha …………
That would be one of the dumbest things to ask of theists. The monotheistic belief states that God cannot be compared to anything and that God is incomprehensible. If you can 'limit' an understanding of God then that's not God.
The first point you Ali Sina must clarify is, what is the definition of God, for you to ask the question? For you to say ‘there is no God’, you should at least know the concept of God.
The Hindu Faith quite clearly states:
Yajurveda
“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]
But you encourage them to worship something, even though you don't believe in any religion. Or are the Hindus wrong in their belief of gods?
No one has seen an atom, or proton or neutron or electron. The current model of an atom is a theory based upon signs and indirect data. As the experiments improved the model of the atom kept on changing. But we still believe in atoms.
So we have to go with probabilities. And the probabilities weigh in our favour.
The probabilities that confirms the existence of God, is that everything works so well in the Universe. It is all around you, perfected, but you still deny. And no it is not chance. If you want chance, go do the lottery or try and grope some woman.
And despite what you say, The Quran. That is the nail in your coffin. Accept it. The Quran is irrefutable proof that God does exists. Not one error in the Quran. (keep your BS stories to yourself). I've read and seen them on FFI years ago. You don't even understand Arabic but you claim to be an expert on the Quran picking out hundreds of errors. Not one error you will find.
Can you prove there is no God? Never.
Long live Islam!
Ha ha ha.
One of the manifestations of Ganesha is Lord of obstacles. I once wrote two short articles on it, in response to one of Zakir Naik's videos. Anyone interested check them out (link below). My articles includes the story of how Ganesha came into being –
For some reason, this board won't let me post a direct link to my articles. But you can still access them as follows-
1) Copy and paste the following in your internet browser's address bar:
http://www(dot)freedombulwark(dot)net/my-blog/blogger/theOffender/
2) replace (dot) with .
3) hit the 'enter' key on the keyboard.
….well bro!!!!!!
……let me tell you idiot, a moron, arrogant, egoistic, asinine ………mussy…….respect is something that is earned….it is never commanded……..
''A bit strong coming from a dik worshipper like you Hunter?''
……..you got it partially correct………..i am not a d!ck, worshipper……..i am a worshipper of communion of d!ck and vag!na……..that is nature worshipping……that is worshipping the creation……..in fact you mussy do the same……to your black stone….but you deny…….anyways….
''Facts please facts. Not stories. ''
………did i narrate you a story it……why are you making a fool of yourself………..i have been talking facts only read my previous posts…..above……..regarding concept of god, salvation etc
''You best start calling me sir as well. There is no bounds to the amount of a-s-s kissing you guys will do. And at least mine is clean as it is washed at least 5 times per day unlike your Guru Ali Sina's.
Don't hate, start kissing (the a-s-s).''
…..this part i dealt in the beginning only…….
you know what is the problem with you??????????
you know it, and you are trying to defend indefensible……..it is 4 am in delhi, let me sleep, good night!!
You mean like your Goddess mother Durga who was banged silly?
Or do you mean like the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods?
Or do you mean the "story of King Dasharatha", who in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrrifice (yaham) of sheep, cattles, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire and banged them silly, returned the ladies to the King. By this means, the king was able to have three sons, Ram, Lakshman and Bharat after orgying his wives out?
Or do you mean the 'holy dip' during the solar eclipse when your yogis go starkers in the water all together? Gay Indian Pride!
On a final note, don't worry about me, ask your mother where the fk you came from? You'll be surprised when she tells you, your middle name is Ali?
Go figure, taxi driver.
A bit strong coming from a dik worshipper like you Hunter?
Facts please facts. Not stories.
You best start calling me sir as well. There is no bounds to the amount of a-s-s kissing you guys will do. And at least mine is clean as it is washed at least 5 times per day unlike your Guru Ali Sina's.
Don't hate, start kissing (the a-s-s).
There are many people of different religions who convert to others-Hindu to muslim,muslim to hindu,christian to hindu,hindu to christian and so on.
Some are celebrities or politicians who have got their own selfish reasons to convert.
Some are weak-hearted people who think one invisible God wasn't doing enough to support their weak minds,and are lured to another invisible deity.
Most are poor people who are brainwashed and/or paid.Their religion hardly matters for them.Religion only comes after you have enough food to eat and live.If they get some money they can eat for a few days more.None of these prove the accuracy of any religion.
Most people stick to their faiths due to family,social or political pressures.As awareness spreads and these pressures lift,people will discard religion like a bad habit.
"If You deny your Creator,deny everything that He created" I don't believe there is a creator.Not a single human has ever proven its existence,despite there being billions of theists over thousands of years.Your assertions or threats are not convincing enough.I'm not any more worried about Allah's wrath than I'm worried about a Unicorn's horn thrust.
"Don't worry about what I know. Just worry about yourself"
I'm not 'worried' about anything.I'm doing pretty damn well,thank you 🙂 But of course I have lots of areas of improvements,and I do try to improve.
I don't live my life in a worry about afterlife,for no one's shown any evidence of something like that.Nor have I seen any myself.And neither that lack of worry has ever prompted me to do a crime because I share general compassion with fellow organisms.
But all said and done.It's not about 'me'.You didn't talk anything about what I 'said' 🙂
……sina fan club……….has globally bestowed him an honorary doctorate in humanity………..now happy!!!!!!!!!!!
….BTW ….i come from prestigious…INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY……….and many of my friends are medical doctors (india's medical science is world acclaimed and recently ……..under forces of globalisation……it has a become a hot destination for medical tourism….due to low cost services……many half dick mussies from your arabia prefer india than west…..)……and none of them have……..any knowledge beyond their functional field……..
We know that Quranic fairy tale.
But the Greek and Norse Fairy tales were better.Egyptian mythology is damn good too.
The best fairy tale from Arabian sources are the One Thousand and One Nights.It's an amazing read,although the basic premise i.e. kill the wife after the first night is outright cruel.But Scheherazade proved she was way smarter than her husband,thus in a way exposing how ridiculous the 2 Women = 1 man theory of Mohd. really is.
…whether sina is a doctor or fakeer does that make difference……you deception king………trying to find every possible excuse for deviating from the topic………..answer his arguments rationally if you can??????
…….otherwise fcuk off!!!!!!
…….brother lets discuss the facts…..rationally………..just psting a video wont help………i know this is a over hyped video…..this guy says….he was a RSS man for 1 year…..and how mussy family help-ed his poor family…..bla bla bla……………i have just one question……..why your pisslamic brethren do not help such a deprived family in your porkistan????????
….so that they…are begging for asylum in india where their roots lie….yet india's politically correct foreign controlled govt turns its face??????????
……answer it if you can….do not talk nonsense………………..i know mussy pigs have petro dollars……….and entrapping a poor hindu is not a big task in india……………and then publicising it about the generosity of pisslam…
They are not 'your' comments.
The comment is a lift from Islamic apologist websites. http://www.free-minds.org/are-two-women-equal-one… is one source.You have lifted the whole article!Can't you just give a link instead?it will be less dishonest and you'll acknowledge the original author.
You are another troll and a plagiarizer.
I doubt if yourself have looked into what you have copied and pasted.And you accuse others of not reading?
There can be no misinterpretation of Quran,your Allah says it is straightforward-a clear text.So you don't convince anybody with your twisted interpretation-"conditions of polygamy is almost impossible,blah blah".Look at yourself,you need to go round and round your verses to make them look slightly humane.You try to imply polygamy is only allowed when men are too few in number,due to wars etc.But even Islamic scholars will laugh at your interpretation.This twisting of meaning is falsifying Allah's own word-that his text is clear and easy to understand and you are treating it as if it were a Rubik's cube.
So,shove your lies and apologetic nonsense up your you know where.
Who said so ?? of course the books of religions,
but I never buy what they say, because they are
senseless.
Actually……..a twin.
cute..
…sir
this guy is a thick skinned pig…….he knows everything accept none…….or he even does not make a rational and dispassionate appraisal of facts…..he is made for pisslam………..he will stay frustrated for entire life……..or some fine day he'll blow himself in a hurry to date 72 virgins…………one thing i wonder………on the 73rd day……….a guy meets the 1st girl….will he be able to recall 1st girls face……….why 72…why not 71…….73……..
PISSLAM IS THE BIGGEST EVER PATHETIC JOKE PERPETRATED AT HUMANITY……..ha ha…….good night!!!!!!!
“Most Hindu gods do not exist as a person and they never existed”
And does Allah exist? Give me one proof of the existence of Allah that can’t be used to prove the existence of Hindu gods.
You want me to answer this question rationally or in religious terms?
I will answer it rationally. Muhammad suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy. He had auditory and visual hallucinations that to him seemed real. All those symptoms of pain and losing consciousness, sweating in cold weather, neck twitching and lip trembling that are described in the hadith are symptoms of TLE.
At first he thought he was demon possessed. It was Khadijah who convinced him that he had seen an angel. She told him, “I have hope that you will be the prophet of these people.” Why? This is another interesting subject and to understand it one must understand the psychology of Khadijah. I have explained this in detail in my book. So I am not going to repeat it. But she suffered from inverted narcissism. . Althogh the story of Khadija is short, her disorder is very clear. She encouraged Muhammad’s insanity when he himself thought the experience was demonic. Since Muhammad was a full-fledged narcissist with all the nine symptoms of narcissism present in him the couple fanned each other’s folly.
The description of Satan as given in the Bible is the description of a narcissist. I don’t believe in Satan as an entity, but Satan is a perfect metaphor for someone suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. To say Muhammad was inspired by Satan is a figurative speech. He was motivated by his narcissistic disorder.
However, when speaking to a person how still believes in God and Satan, it is useful to speak in the language that he understands. When you converse with a child you use terms that are easy for him to grasp. For a Muslim whose mind is limited and still believes in fairies such as god and Satan, one should use a language that is comprehensible to him. I sometimes talk to Muslims using religious terminologies and concepts.
Muhammad admitted seeing Satan and taking dictates from him which he could not distinguish from the revelation. This happened during the “Satanic Verses” incident. How do we know that he was not inspired by Satan more often?
Think about it. Muhammad stated a religion allegedly to promote one god. He does this for several years. Then Satan appears to him in the form of Gabriel and tells him that there is benefit in worshipping Lat, Uzza and Manat. Assuming he was deceived by the appearance of Satan who looked like Gabriel, didn’t he have enough commonsense to realize that this message is contrary to monotheism?
The truth is this Satan was himself. Muhammad received no revelations from anyone. The hallucinations stopped a long time ago. At first he was distraught and Khadijah was disappointed. He contemplated suicide, but narcissist doesn’t commit suicide. It was then that he decided to make up revelations. A narcissist is full of deceit so why he wouldn’t lie to keep his followers who were so stupid that would have done anything for him?
He thought if he compromised and accepted the three daughters of God, his detractors will like him and believe in him. He was only partially right. They liked the fact that he had praised their goddesses but did not follow him. He soon realized that he had made his religion indistinguishable from the religion of the Pagans. So he had to retract and that is when he claimed the verses he had said a few months earlier were put in his mouth by Satan and changed them. There was no Satan but himself.
'All you non Muslims come out with the same rubbish, each trying to lay claim for themselves. This argument of yours has been heard years ago and has been laughed at when the Myths & Fictions are portrayed as truth, You need to educate yourself on differentiating between Fact & Fiction'
…….so dear your coming out of a pu$$y is a fiction.ha ha……it is a myth.ha ha………..who are you then………body-les..spirit or your moha-mad's (piss be upon him) evil spirit…..
'Most Hindu gods do not exist as a person and they never existed, they are the result of divinization of novels or epics heroes, like the Greek or Roman gods… or like the many false gods of ANIMISM '
….now this is where i agree you………….
……….see forms arrest our imagination……….we hindus believe in formless god……..these deities and forms are just reflections………..calling just that god would be foolishness………..in every creation of this world lies divinity……(you can look out for arya samaj second commandment for definition of god…..that is very comprehensive)
……..in fact what you do circum-ambulating ….kaba that is also image/form worshiping………you will say….'we only circum ambulate it we do not worship it'……..what a farce??????….
…….then how is worship done…..by blowing one self……….
……hinduism………is the most decentralised and hetrogenous religion………..despite maintaining its essence…….NON-DUALISM………..advaitvaad……
…it is free religion……it was correct millenia before…it is correct today……….it believes in karma…….the duty……that even a rationalist cant discard……..
…unlike…..christianity and pislam….it does not have a chain of command………or some weekly congregation……it is an individual ethos……it is one's perception of divine………it characterise unity in diversity………..seeing one in all and all in one………
…these things are heavy dose for a idiot mussy like you….go to sleep……………good night!!!!!!!
No it's not Ali Sina.
All you non Muslims come out with the same rubbish, each trying to lay claim for themselves. This argument of yours has been heard years ago and has been laughed at when the Myths & Fictions are portrayed as truth, You need to educate yourself on differentiating between Fact & Fiction.
Which research material and where is it ? Where is the referance ? Where are the proofs ? Mr Oak the self styled historian found something of which 1.5 billion Muslims are unaware of, and neither any Muslim Historian nor a Non-Muslim historian has ever known. Now based on this hearsy Mr Oak concludes without DOUBT that Arabian penensula formed a part of Indian empire!
I leave it to the students and fans of Mr Oak to complete the task that their Master could not do in his lifetime and enlighten our fellow Muslims and the whole world, by providing proofs and referances to the BS claims.
No such thing as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ ever existed or exists in this world, nor was there a person named “Abu Amir Asamai” to have compiled it, and neither there is any library by the name of “Makhatab-e-Sultania” in Istanbul Turkey.
All these characters are fictionious work of Mr Oak. Many Hindus were easily convinced as they are prone to Myths and fables in Hindu scriptures as part of their religion and belief. No wonder you might see Ali Sina as the next Avataar in the Hierracy of Hindu gods!
Most Hindu gods do not exist as a person and they never existed, they are the result of divinization of novels or epics heroes, like the Greek or Roman gods… or like the many false gods of ANIMISM .
Moving from Atheism to Christianity, you are now batting for Hinduism.
Make your mind up Sina, make your mind up?
…..the divinity….the vastness that resides in your heart….when you are in peace, you are in bliss…..you are above sorrow and pleasure, you are above feverishness and ambitions….there is no dualism………then divinity reflects through you…………..every one of us has varying degree of divinity..no matter how evil the creation gets…….after all almighty god created it all…………everything…….when you meditate….and reach a state of thought lessness……you reach an infinite space………..time and space ceased to be coordinate that is divinity….that is unification with divine………..sleep is a mystery, death is a mystery,……………but mussies cant reach to this subtlety….they only aspire for 72 virgins……fountains of liquor……and illusionary god thats it…………………islamic heaven talks about the very worldly pleasures that mussies have been deprived for entire life………
i cant stop laughing………..they are cursed for life….and who knows even for after life………
….how can almighty be jealous???? how can almighty need some one like moha mad…..to implement his will????……………and his henchmen to implement sharia…………..there are million such questions….but that requires fair bit of rationality……..
….holy book is full of fallacies………….only thing requires is a fair and dispassionate appraisal………..but unfortunately that is too much to ask…………
……….ask this a$$hole……..where did he come from????……did psycopath's allah dropped him from 7th heaven??????……….or a dozen of hindus banged his mother?????……………..it is nature worshiping in hinduism……….it is a sense of gratitude and humility………i know such feelings are alien to mussies…….ha ha!!!!
Mr. Rao comes from the background of Hindu Brahmin Community…….He was one of the millions who hate ISLAM & Muslims and took it as a challenge to prove ISLAM wrong and started studying about it through Qur'an
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And your ignorance makes me feel sorry for you.
If You deny your Creator,deny everything that He created.
Don't worry about what I know. Just worry about yourself.
Ali Sina. If Allah is the Devil, then who is Iblees?
……..BTW…………What make you presume you she was hindu……coz she broke statue of lord ganesha……she is in veil…..may be one devout idiot muslima………see bro……….divinity is not just what we worship as an image………..it is just the reflection of almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent god…………..if you think….that this video made me angry……….then you are fool……………….the very divine resides in every element of this creation……..that is the fundamental mistake that your invaders did to india………they broke temples…..but could not break the faith……….ha ha……..a bigot can never understand this……….ha ha…………still i will say………SARVE BHAVANTU SUKHINAH…………..(entire humanity be in bliss)……..true to my religion……ha ha!!!!!
……….that's not an issue……..individual rights must be rspected……..many mossy hotties love indian full size $icks and enjoy it before life long imprisonment of pisslamic marraige………ha ha ………..
Dear Ali Sinner,
You deride Hindus for worshiping lingam. What do you think is the origin of the black stone and the frame around it? Like anything else in Islam you don’t know. It is Yoni. It is a relic of the pagan faith that represented the vagina of goddess Lat, the goddess of fertility.
Dear Ali Sinner,
Worshipping a lingam is a million times preferable to worshiping Allah. Lingam symbolized fertility, but Allah is the Devil. You Muslims actually worship Muhammad, despite your denial.
As for your surprise why we all can get along, even though we belong to different faiths and persuasions, the answer is simple. We put our humanity before our belief. This is something Muslims can’t do. They have allowed their demonic faith destroy their humanity and fill them with so much hatred that can no longer get along with people who don’t think like them.
…….. Zoroastrians are the most vibrant and most peaceful immigrants to india……whom we have absolutely no problem to host…………they are hardworking and enterprising people….some of the biggest business houses of india are owned by parsees……….did you hear TATA motors taking over land rover in UK, that is an indian company……….the very same company created the small wonder…..the cheapest car in the world……….we are proud of them………..these Zoroastrian………while seeking refuge in india……….from pisslamic persecution….begged indian rulers……'we will get assimilated in indian societies as sugar gets into milk'………and true to their promise..they did…….we love them………unfortunately.their population is meager in india…………our government takes care of threatened species of asiatic lions…….one horned rhino and crocodile…………but no one is there to take care of them………….coz ……….they do not constitute a political block…. Zoroasters are distinguished flowers of indian diverse society…….we love them……….
What pen?
Does this guy even exist?
Have you seen him or met him?
Start being a man and stop being a sheeple.
Exactly on what basis would his friends call him Dr?
I have friends who are medical doctors and we call them Dr. We don't call anyone who is not Dr, a Dr. This can be medical, science or academia.
Even our lawyer friends who have a doctorate we call Dr, but not the others. Why?, Because they have the doctorate which can be verified by the University.
If Ali Sina has a Doctorate, then he should confirm this. Right?
And exactly what academic degrees does Ali Sina hold? It would be good to know. (You are aware that in Iran, anyone can buy a degree, but that doesn't make them a Dr)?
It is not as simple as you believe. It is not either accept it all or reject it all. The haith is a mixed bag of truth and falsehood. Sadly it is the only source that exists on the history and life of Muhammad. We cannot do without it or we could easy dismiss the very existence of Muhammad, as some have already done it. I am not among them and I am surprised has been taken seriously by Robert Spencer.
Muhammad existed and much of the stories about him reported in hadith and Sira are true. There are also exaggerations. This is to be expected. Believers are eager to attribute miracle to their prophet. However, it is not difficult to separate chaff from wheat to see which parts of the hadiths are true and which ones are false.
When you interrogate a criminal he will tell you a lot of lies. This is expected. But all liars mix some truth with their lies. The job of the astute police officer is to pick those truths and build his case.
When you read the hadith and the Sira, you find a lot of lies. But a rational person can easily separate the lies from the truth. In fact I am now working on a biography or Muhammad that does just that. I will condense thousands of pages in a couple of hundred pages and ignore all the leis. In fact if you ignore all the lies the biography of Muhammad which is now in thousands of pages can be shrunk to no more than 300 pages.
I know you are very eager to disown the hadith because it embarrasses you. However, the Quran is in no way less embarrassing to a sensible person.
Is rainbow a sister of moon shadow?
Iblis is servant of Allah, he refused to bow to first Human, as the God commanded. As he disobeyed, he was told to get lost, he had to misguide humans by attacking their hearts, on last day of judgement, he will burn in hell. All as per will of Allah SWT.
……….coz………they have been stripped off………..they are defenceless……..ha ha
So you agree that Christianity is wrong based on this age of consent in Bolivia and Mexico who are practising Christians? If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander!
Moving onto Europe. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago. Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts. Historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history. A bit like you knowTheEnemy.
According to William of Tyre, Agnes was only eight on her arrival at Constantinople, while Alexius was thirteen; in fact Alexius was born on 14 September 1169. Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century. Irene Ducaena, wife of Alexius I Comnenus, was twelve at her marriage, and empress before she was fifteen; the Byzantine princess Theodora, Manuel's niece, was in her thirteenth year when she married Baldwin III of Jerusalem; and Margaret-Maria of Hungary married Isaac II Angelus at the age of nine. Agnes's age, then, was not unusual, especially as it was customary for young engaged couples in Constantinople to be brought up together in the house of the socially superior partner.
Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man. In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty.
The first recorded age-of-consent law dates back 800 years: In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.
In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier!
Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds. So the UK MUST ALSO BE SICK AND PERVERTED.
Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."
In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895!! So the USA IS ALSO PERVERTED.
In Jewish Ashkenazi communities in the Middle Ages, girls were married off very young. Despite the young threshold for marriage a large age gap between the spouses was opposed. Child marriage was possible in Judaism due to the very low marriageable age for females. A ketannah (literally meaning little one) was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day; a ketannah was completely subject to her father's authority, and her father could arrange a marriage for her without her agreement.
According to UNICEF's "State of the World's Children-2009" report, 47% of India's women aged 20–24 were married before the legal age of 18, with 56% marrying before age 18 in rural areas. The report also showed that 40% of the world's child marriages occur in India. And India is predominantly Hindu! Child marriage of daughters as young 5-6 year old was common during the Brahmanic Dark Ages due to the custom of dowry.
Lawbooks prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! This is the wonderful wisdom of the most authoritative Hindu law book:
Manu.IX.94 : " A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."
So exactly what do you think of your forefathers in India doing this for thousands of years knowTheEnemy?
Are you willing to denounce Hinduism and India in the same breath as Islam.
Go on, take a seat, have a hard drink, look in the mirror, hold your head in your hands and say WTF!
But what if we don't even know that the guy is coming our way to 'kidnap our wife', 'take by force our property', or 'to set fire in our house', etc? What if the guy has fooled us into believing that he is perfectly harmless, and is coming in to make everyone's lives better? I am talking about Muslims coming into non-Muslim countries.
Response to your garbage by your sister who converted to Islam.
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I just wanted to convey that one Vedic scholar from Arya Samaj only told me that "the opening" Chapter of Holy Quran is actually, something said in Vedas. Try to study please the monotheist Vedic Connection with Jews and Prophet Mohammed PBUH. I think i have uselessly been offended you. forgive me. I agree to my mistake and will try to not to repeat it. I am sorry again.
…….my dear mussy p!g……brother (see i call you brother despite of your hostility and hatred)……………we worship….male-female sexual organ….coz that is the very genesis of you and me…………..
……we hindus have a sense of gratitude and humility for nature…………….we call it divine…….we hold it pious……..does it sound ridiculous to you brother……….i cant help about it…………
……………yes worship creation of god…………out of gratefulness…………we worship….rivers, trees, even mouse and elephants………we see the same divinity in all living creature………….that reminds us of almighty god……….parmatman, parbramha………..you tell me dear bigot pig………..why do you worship the black stone……….that is vagina and dick………..you will say we only touch it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we only circumbulate it………..bl;a bla bla!!!!!!!………………can you distnguish between………respect and reverence…………..your skeletal pig ZAKIR NAIK…….say we only respect it we do not worship it……….ha ha ha……………(similarly while for reciting VANDEMATRAM………..a sanskrit song for praise of motherland………….mussy pigs say we respect mother we do not worship it………..sound ridiculous………)……….my dear enlightened mussy PIG………can you put ……..respect, love, and worship in water tight containers……………….are these different emotions…….or theses are all about degree………….when you love some thing……you break all walls…………..when you worship……………you erect a wall…..between devotee and divine……………..divine is overwhelmingly omnipresent……………..can you see divinity in the beggers………can you see divinity in a kid…………..can you see divinity in a leper………..that is what divinity is all about……….but arabian……..idiotic pigs believe in some alien PIG GOD (sorry if i offend you)…………….that is jealous, that is impotent………..who need to hire henchmen to get his will executed…………..who need to be remembered every now and then that he is great…………..your islamic god………….aka figment of mohamad (pig shit be upon him)…………is the alter ego of mohamad………….he revealed verses……..when he feel like fcuking……his daughter in law………..when he feel like fcuking his maid…………when he feel like fcuking a corpse…………(MY ALMIGHTY god!!!!!how far can humanity degrade…………..please spare us from evils of pisslam.)/……………..my dear you call it divinity…………….MY brother i have a stern warning for you……….if you really worship your psychopath and his ill conceived god….please stay away from me and this site………..otherwise….i promise……..with in a matter time……….you will be an apostate……..i do not want to embarrass you………..coz the same divinity (even in trace amount resides in you)…………..thats why we love all creations of almighty………shabba khair. …………
“The Quran myself and you would agree that is the most accurate right?”
Are you delusional? If we agreed the Quran is most accurate we would be Muslim. This book is the most inaccurate and the most stupid book ever written.
Advaita/Wahdat Ul Wajood/Panenthieism is common in Semitic and Indic faith. Seeing God in all makes person to wish Suleh Kul, peace to all. Sarve Bhante Sukhina. I agree that Upnishads, Brahm Sutra Bhashyas are something very very great texts. There are good lot of similarities between them and Sufi literature. Hazrat Darashikoh tried to translate that in Farsi. He was killed by own bigot brother. Likewise we have great lot of symbolism in Indian Puranas.(Yes they could be found outside mainstream Hinduism), similar are Sufi text in Hindi like Padmawat. I wish i had 1000 years of age, then only i could not get an iota from it.
In Eastern Orthodox Churches and Unitary Churches, I have seen great lot of mysticism related to Advaitism. Some people claim it to be from Adi Sankara missionaries but they are found in old and new testament both.
Our Puranas be it Indian or now, we are studying Greek text of that type. Should also not be discarded. Even if we become Christian or Muslim. They have account of those people and their fight, who have fought the greatest battle of life, battle with own mind.
Without defeating mind, person with whole study and by heart remembering Holy Vedas or Holy Kuran is like an ass with books/sandal on back. Both Saint Kabir and Another Sufis of Kashmir said this about book. It is open and will keep on moving.
Dr. Sina, if your friends who knew you personally, called you Dr. Sina, it means you ARE a Dr. However, if you prefer Ali Sina, then I will call you that way from now on 🙂
There is concept of Wali also, which is similar to are person, which you guys call Brham Gyani or sage with divine knowledge. They see God within and outside too. As per your Araya Samaj, there were four sages who brought holy Vedas. They could be termed as Prophets or not is another question.All Prophets of Islam could be termed as Wali When Mool Shanker saw rat eating sweets kept on Phallus, it was act of the God. Anyway kindly complete the work but tell me have you got the God or seen the God? are books capable for letting us come close? A man is needed to guide, in you we have list of Swami Shradhhanand, Swami Hansraj etc. but know we have leftist like Agnivesh hijacking some part, some by RSS agent Ramdev. Most of prime schools or Hariyana are under congress control. I beg you to introspect that what weakness was there in your Vedic, that it was lost before the coming of Swami Dayananda, Why is it shambles at present. Trying to win Hindus, Sikhs, Jains etc by Arya Samajis is it not Taqqiya or false propaganda as , founder of your sect opposed the Holy Puranas of Hindus? and other texts of other faith ? Wahabis, Hinyanas, Protestants, Arya Samajis, "Sikh Missionaries" all have one thing in common, reading reading, debating debating, trying to paint others in bad light.
Can you produce me the first written copy of any of the four Vedas ? If they past via oral traditions then Holy Quran is also carried away in similar way. Arya Samaj has produced the uniform version of Vedas, else there was not a single version.
As per Holy Quran, our Soul is not our but of God. Light in us is God. Prophet did meditation in cave Hira. The air aspect(further more i will not say as Yogis call it Pran Vayu or Sufis call it Dumm) activated his gland top of his forehead. Called Chakra in Yoga and Litf in Sufis. That is the story of Jibraeel.
There are some realms, where science has not reached. These things are beyond the comprehensions of human brain. There is miracle , when Swami Gyaneshwar of Maharshtra, was able to let a male Buffalo sing Gaytri Mantra, just to prove that all creation has one soul, that is soul of the God. I am not opposing Holy Vedas or Holy Kuran, nor trying to preach miracles(there is quantum, parallel world, where nothing is impossible, if we have something faster then light, we can make time, space and matter -ve) That thing is within our Body. He need Human, to guide us to reach there. Those who want Moksha/Libration/Khalasi dont show miracles, but feel them. Anyway I am sorry, that i am wrong, illiterate, defending something wrong and uselessly debating you. You are correct and I am wrong. Better you fight a bigot Muslim.
Had any Wahabi saw me , trying to scientifically explain the concept of Angels, with physical phenomena, They will kill me. But your thing is better that you will use logic and justification ( Nyay Philosophy) to defeat me. I already surrender to you. But logic is based upon illogical axioms.
"since you are already discussing something with Ali Sina – I would not like to interrupt. I would wish that both you and Sina continue your discussion."
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Edem isn't 'discussing' anything with Dr. Sina. S/he is repeating the same things again and again, even after those have been answered multiple times.
Q.2:233 talks about the duty of the mother to suckle the child of her husband (of course the child belongs to the man, everybody knows that) and the duty of the man to feed and cloths the mother of HIS child for this period. This verse is not giving woman any right to divorce.
Q.4:34 says if there is a disagreement between husband and wife one arbitrator from both side can be appointed to resolve the differences but it does not give the woman or arbitration the right to end the marriage. It ends in confusion as all other verses of the Quran saying it is better that they reconcile. That we know. The question is what if they don’t reconcile? Can the wife obtain divorce? The only way is through Khula’ which means giving up her mahr and compensating the man for all the money he has spent on her.
This means marriage in Islam is slavery for women. A slave also can obtain his or her freedom by compensating their master with their price.
You say the Quran gives women equal right in verse 2:228. Let us see what this verse says.
‘And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.”
It says women have similar rights to men in kindness. It does not say they have similar rights in law. I often say animals have to be treated with the same kindness that we treat humans, but at no time I imply animals have the same rights as humans. Muhammad also enjoyed kindness to slaves, but he was very much in favor of slavery. He did not believe slaves have equal rights to free people. You are grabbing to any straw. There is no equality between men and women in Islam and it this very verse Muhammad soon makes it clear that men are above women. This is just so some eager zealot who like you can’t misuse his words and say aha, see? Here Muhammad says men and women are equal. He was very careful not to be misunderstood.
You say, “According to the Quran, divorce is a case that takes at least four months to be put into effect (2:226; 4:35; 65:6).”
I already discussed the verse 4:35. It does not take the right of the man to divorce his wife by uttering a single word any time. However, it recommends that the two sides nominate an arbitrator to resolve the matter. This is only if the man wants a resolution. If not, it is up to him to divorce at any time. The arbitrators have not executive authority. They are mere counselors.
Verse 2:226 has nothing to do with divorce. It is about observing an oath when the man says he won’t sleep with his wife as a form of punishment. It is about the gravity of the oath. Verse 2:224 makes it clear. “And make not ALLAH a target for your oaths.” The verse 2:226 says, “For those who vow abstinence from their wives, the maximum period of waiting is four months. Then if they go back to their normal relationship.” This is not about any right for women to divorce.
The verse 65:6 is similar to the verse 2:233 already discussed. It says, “Lodge them where you lodge according to your means, and do not injure them in order that you may straighten them; and if they are pregnant, spend on them until they lay down their burden; then if they suckle for you, give them their recompense and enjoin one another among you to do good; and if you disagree, another (woman) shall suckle for him.”
This verse does not give women any right to divorce or any equality to woman. It says as long as the woman carries your child take care of her until she lays her burden. If you have a pregnant camel you’d do the same. This verse is not about equality.
As for uttering talaq three times and then needing someone screwing your wife before you can remarry her, I am not supporting it. I am not supporting any of the stupid teachings of Muhammad. But this is the reality that millions of Muslim follow and there is no way you can show they are wrong. They came to these asinine conclusions through the Quran.
Nothing will be 'shredded'. If Bolivia or anyone else has a lower age of consent than what it should be, they are all WRONG, in addition to Islam. If anyone has/ had the age of consent as low as 9 years, they that is outright appalling.
It says so in Quran 4:34-
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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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YusufAli put the word 'lightly' in parantheses in his translation, to fool the English readers of the Quran. Shakir however, presents the verse as is.
Burping and farting are not signs of good health If problem continues please seek proper medication.
Yes . . . but you do NOT have the doctorate academic degree. . . else you wouldn't have trouble mentioning AT LEAST the subject.
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At least you finally admit your level of understanding. To figure it out – it doesn't take that long at all.
We are discussing Islam here not me? as a matter of fact your questions are related to the Quran, where did you ask me what gives me peace
Please read my comments before reply so quickly okay? The Quran gives women equal rights, according to the quran, the prophet should only be obeyed when he is right, right to divorce, right to own property. If you are interested, you can start learning islam from scratch without smelling sectarian sources without dipping your nose to the refuse of lies, bigots, prejudiced views and sort of misinterpretation of the Islamic message.Peace
You sidetracked my question.
I repeat my question.
Tell me what gets you peace?
You think its only you who have got an insulting tongue right? Your name befits you 'hunter', i am sure you are a hunter of wild pigs and that's why you know the pigs so well, i can see you stoop so low comparing people to pigs and using dirty words, words that are censored even on your televisions. I am sure you suffering from ischemia right, You pathetic psychopathic homo-sapien. You better go think well and put your hate filled life in order. I stand for nothing but justice, Peace should rain! Moron jihadist, moronic hate spewer hunter!
[ / First let me point it out that the Quran gives a man and woman equal rights. /
In what respect and how? A man can have four wives. A woman can have only one husband. Where are the equal rights?
Two women witnesses equal one male witness. Where is the equality?
Islam does not give equal rights to a man and woman as husband and wife. ]
First you claimed that God has given both the men and women equal rights.
Then you say that man can marry more than one woman.
Again you say that a woman's brain is only half that of main – you said deficient in mind/brain/
Now where is the much hyped equality of man and woman?
It was Islam taqiyya you practiced.
dumb, DUMB, Mullahs and the Jihadists.
This is scheme of the category and only Muslims fit in there.
The first is a fence sitter Muslim, the second is a moderate Muslim and the third is the Mullahs. The fourth are the Jihadists.
Ali Sina does not fit into any category. Those are the grades of a Muslim.
"Where in the Qur'an does it say 'beat your wife'?"
You haven't turned the pages of Quran,and here you are defending it.
Honestly,your stupidity knows no bounds.
The ' Dr' Ali Sina sounds more right than the 'Prophet' Mohammad.
At least Ali Sina uses his pen to fight – unlike Mohammad who used his sword to fight.
How can anyone call a scoundrel a prophet? Particularly, when that Rasul is a rapist and a rascal?
Your stupidity amazes me.
"It's amazing how you believe in the botanical science when you don't acknowledge having any Creator in the first place"
Which Botanical Book refers to a Creator as the premise?
"Even before I think of debunking your fallacies and bursting the 'I-think-I know-it-all' balloon,I must realise who I'm talking to" It is not us who have that 'I-think-I know-it-all' balloon.It's you.You claim to 'know' that Allah created this HUGE universe,only for the reason that on an 'insignificantly tiny' Earth a few million bipeds would pray to it everyday,in addition to burping and farting.
If Allah is Satan,then it's anybody's guess who is Iblees.
The reason why you cannot comment on other books is because if you do, you fall foul of whatever ideology you follow. Whether it be God based belief or non God based belief. It's a lose-lose position for you.
How the hell an Hindu like you can be promoting Atheism is beggars belief. But I suppose you guys are so full of venom that anyone except Islam will do. You guys will whore yourselves out to anyone as long as the price is right! And right now Ali Sina IS your God and his price is right. Heck, if you guys can worship a dik (literally – lingam) why not worship Ali Sina?
Coming from South India, you need to come out the Bollywood fantasy world and get with the real world. And the subjective links from the anti Islamic websites you posted as evidence, is the biggest amount of crocschit I have seen in decades. Give something unbiased and neutral if you can or shove where the sun never shines.
Like I said before, STFU and get on with your life
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so exactly which sword is being used for it's expansion?
In the UK alone, over the last 10 years, over 100,000 people converted to Islam with the average person being white, female and 27 years of age. Exactly which sword was used here?
Which sword was used in Indonesia?
Which sword was used since 1900 to 2009 to increase Islam from 200 million to 1.57 billion?
Please enlighten us.
This is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideologies (atheism) have killed before the 20th Century:
China221 B.C.-19 C.33,519,000
Mongols14 C-15 C29,927,000
Slavery of Africans1451-187017,267,000
Amer-Indians16 C-19 C13,778,000
Thirty Years War1618-16485,750,000
In India13 C-1 9 C4,511,000
In Iran5 C-19 C2,000,000
Ottoman Empire12 C-19 C2,000,000
In Japan1570-19 C1,500,000
In Russia10 C-19 C1,007,000
French Revolution1793-1794263,000
And this is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideology (atheism) has killed since the 20th Century:
U.S.S.R.1917-87 61,911,000
China (PRC)1949-87 35,236,000
China (Mao Soviets)1923-49 3,466,000
Cambodia1975-79 2,035,000
Vietnam1945-87 1,670,000
Poland1945-48 1,585,000
Yugoslavia (Tito)1944-87 1,072,000
North Korea1948-87 1,663,000
Russia1900-17 1,066,000
This is not me or Islam saying this, it is the Centre for National Security Law, School of Law, University of Virginia saying it.
So, unless you can back your dribble up with impartial indisputable facts, stick to dreaming of one day becoming a Bollywood actor and singing to some bird whilst running in the field with a white scarf around your neck all the while miming the song and then saving her from a band of 20 goons using back flips from a skyscraper and landing on your feet unscathed!
Boom!
My ass is the chosen one
Have you read your Quran and Hadith?
Muhammad didn't keep women as prisoners of war and married the best out of them after killing their nearest and dearest?Safiyah?She was married by Mohd. the same day her father and husband were killed.Can something be more cruel than this?Islamists have later claimed that she married Muhammad as she was inclined towards Islam.How inclined you'll be after your father and husband are killed?
He didn't loot trade caravans?Read your hadiths and the Quran.
He didn't invade Mecca and Medina?
You yourself know the references.But you prefer to close your eyes.
The reason why you cannot comment on other books is because if you do, you fall foul of whatever ideology you follow. Whether it be God based belief or non God based belief. It's a lose-lose position for you.
How the Fk an Hindu like you can be promoting Atheism is beggars belief. But I suppose you guys are so full of venom that anyone except Islam will do. You guys will whore yourselves out to anyone as long as the price is right! And right now Ali Sina IS your God and his price is right. Heck, if you guys can worship a dik (literally – lingam) why not worship Ali Sina?
Coming from South India, you need to come out the Bollywood fantasy world and get with the real world. And the subjective links from the anti Islamic websites you posted as evidence, is the biggest amount of crocschit I have seen in decades. Give something unbiased and neutral if you can or shove where the sun never shines.
Like I said before, STFU and get on with your life
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, so exactly which sword is being used for it's expansion?
In the UK alone, over the last 10 years, over 100,000 people converted to Islam with the average person being white, female and 27 years of age. Exactly which sword was used here?
Which sword was used in Indonesia?
Which sword was used since 1900 to 2009 to increase Islam from 200 million to 1.57 billion?
Please enlighten us.
This is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideologies (atheism) have killed before the 20th Century:
China221 B.C.-19 C.33,519,000
Mongols14 C-15 C29,927,000
Slavery of Africans1451-187017,267,000
Amer-Indians16 C-19 C13,778,000
Thirty Years War1618-16485,750,000
In India13 C-1 9 C4,511,000
In Iran5 C-19 C2,000,000
Ottoman Empire12 C-19 C2,000,000
In Japan1570-19 C1,500,000
In Russia10 C-19 C1,007,000
French Revolution1793-1794263,000
And this is what your God, war mongerer Ali Sina's ideology (atheism) has killed since the 20th Century:
U.S.S.R.1917-87 61,911,000
China (PRC)1949-87 35,236,000
China (Mao Soviets)1923-49 3,466,000
Cambodia1975-79 2,035,000
Vietnam1945-87 1,670,000
Poland1945-48 1,585,000
Yugoslavia (Tito)1944-87 1,072,000
North Korea1948-87 1,663,000
Russia1900-17 1,066,000
This is not me or Islam saying this, it is the Centre for National Security Law, School of Law, University of Virginia saying it.
So, unless you can back your dribble up with impartial indisputable facts, stick to dreaming of one day becoming a Bollywood actor and singing to some bird whilst running in the field with a white scarf around your neck all the while miming the song and then saving her from a band of 20 goons using back flips from a skyscraper and landing on your feet unscathed!
Boom!
………secondly……….pl….do not call sina even a mentor………..see i am an indian hindu……….THEN YOU CAN YOURSELF JUDGE WHAT KIND OF HINDU MY ANCESTORS WERE…..who never scumb to evil forces of pisslam………if pisslam could not convert them because there were dare devils………….ladies and mans…………….i take pride in that………………….indiia is a huge society……….with huge diversities……that you can never even imagine…………..but still i love all my devout indian brothers and sisters…………so far as their loyalty to my mother land is intact………. irrespective of any thing…..who they are….etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc………pl do not take these 'etc' as exaggeration coz……….india is such a diverse society……………and your pisslamic society………….shia kills sunni……..sunni kills ahmedia………ahmedia………….want to be sufi………..sufi want to be hindu………….hindu want indian citizenship………..
pisslam is a stinking shit………………earlier we wash it off………..better would it be for humanity………….if this humanity thing…………..strikes a chord…………join us……….or fcuk off!!!!!!!!………….if there is real god./…………………….certainly………….he would be embodiment of justice…………..1st he will punish your pedophile………………then you all for…….. not using your brain and falling into trap of an imposter……….ha ha .,who lose ??
….important point…….. mr sina…………………..why i respect him……i respect none if he is not worth……….you know i respect my maid so much…………coz living away from home………..she is only to look after my clothings, shoes, diet, style whatever………….but SINA is more than anything as such……….we INDIAN HINDUS…………have resonance with his ideas of pisslam………..you know why i like him…….here in the LARGEST DEMOCRACY OF WORLD………….there is no one………….to utter words of sanity…………….before dhimmis……polityically correct and officially PAID MEDIA………….MARK MY WORDS IF HUMANITY SURVIVES BEFORE PISSLAM………………….DR SINA WILL BE A NOBEL PEACE LAUREATE………DIDN'T IT pass your throat ha ha ha …….
For your information I never even once called myself Doctor in my sites. It were my Persian friends who knew me personally who called me Dr. Sina and others did the same. I prefer Ali Sina. My academic degrees have nothing to do with Islam. When it comes to Islam I have no academic studies. I have learned everything on my own. Ali Sina is perfectly fine with me and I prefer it that way.
Raj,you are so silly!
Women have equal rights in Islam if 1=4 and 1=2.
Don't you get it?
/ And there is not a single thing you or your retarded mongerers can do about it Raj? /
The Thugs of the Thuggee cult has been eradicated and have long disappeared since the initiative taken by the British government during the time of William Bentinck.
Hope Islam too perishes one day. And for your information, we are not just barking. We are fighting this evil menace. Islam will not give us any apple.
Yes, you are the chosen ones of the rascal Mohammad and we are the cursed ones of the rascal Mohammad.
Yet, the curses of the common folk prove more fatal. And we are the common folk. So do not take the curses of the common folk.
……..my dear enlightened brother…..you didnt yet clarify what makes you 'chosen'…..is it the above criteria that i mentioned in your response…….or is there anything else…please let me know…………..see i am not an oil well owner……and i have to work hard to ensure a high class life style for my parents here in india…………please respond fast…….i am freely available to bang…………moh-mad and his avid followers on weekends or leisure days……..not in other week days……..hope you understand!!!!!!
Now now Hunter. No need to get angry just because your mandmade dik (literally) god didn't favour you. Next time don't worship sexual organ, the lingam and you'll be alright!
It's you that needs to f off and crawl back under the rock you came from……………….oh yes, you can't, because you worship it. My bad!!!
I don't know who's worse, idol worshippers or atheists?
'First let me point it out that the Quran gives a man and woman equal rights and women also have the right to divorce, Women can divorce their husbands (2:233, 4:35). '……………………………….how often do you see…………..pisslamic women divorcing their husbands????????
'Secondly, Quran has given women equal rights (2:228). Why do you agree with the people who took the right of divorce away from the woman? '
………..you are bigger idiot than i presumed you to be……….ha !!! ha!!!!!………what about the verses that preaches…………..2 women witness = 1 male witness……….thrash your wife if she does not obey you…………..do not fcuk her if she does not oblige you…………..most of all….having 4 wives….tell which religion in the entire world ……has such an idiotic practice…….after RIO EARTH SUMMIT………….entire world has become too sensitive about…………ecological equilibrium………but none of these mother fcukers talk about…..the imbalance created by pisslamic zombies………………..in india they procreate beyond their means………..girls turn into part time call girl…………if given little freedom………….otherwise procreates 5 children till she reaches 20…………….and boy…..becomes a garage mechanic………….hoping to lick boots of arabian master one day……..you know even a begging muslim in india has a passport……………..else only white colored job seekers have it under forces of globalisation and consequent mobility of technocrats………but these pigs are ready to serve thier masters ass……..even by licking it post defecation …….HA!!!! HA!!!!
Like I said hunter, there is nothing the likes of you and Dr Retard Ali Sina can do about it except bark, bark and bark!
Get over it and stop frothing at the mouth because we are the chosen ones and you ain't.
Run along now and start worshipping the toilet, as you guys will worship anything as long as it has a shape, there's a good boy. Chop, chop.
….you are not pisslamic bigot…..that'ss great……or u r practicing taqiya…….hmmmm………..naughty p!g…………pisslam is bigggest evil………….do not bother there wont be any bigger evil than this…………………now fcuk off!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Eighty million Indians/Hindus killed by the Muslims since the first invasion by the Muslims.
On a sidenote, I do not have to comment about other books.
If Mohammad had not picked up the sword and encouraged violence and had preached his religion like Jesus or Buddha – then I and Ali Sina and the others who are having problems with violent Islam – would not have been here showing the evil face of Islamic ideology.
If Mohammad had preached his religion peacefully – then perhaps we would have been praising him. But there is a big IF. And the answer of the IF had been given by Mohammad 1400 years back.
Mohammad chose violence.
Islamic history is replete with violence. The sword upon the neck, many people have been converted to Islam.
http://www.historyofjihad.org/
Are you out of your mind? Dont you know the whole argument against Islam is that it is violent. It has been violent from day one.
Had it been just a cult which did not harm the non believers – then would you think we people would have been here on the internet fighting this evil Islamic ideology ??? NO.
Islam is a threat to civilization and culture. It is a threat to non believers. Threat through its sharia and through its violent forms. Threat of making us non believers a dhimmi – when we would like nothing to do with Islam. A penalty / price our forefathers who stubbornly refused to become Muslims and had to pay was JIZZIYA. We non Muslims have been identified and named by your Mohammad as K A F I R – a hate word learnt by the Muslims And Mohammad is the one who advised jihad against the kafirs. We are suffering this mandate that the Muslims carry out in the name of Mohammad.
It is Mohammad who needs to be given the STFU in the first instance, and not me. I do not accept your expletive STFU and redirect it to its original deserving person.
And mind you we are not hating people – we are hating the ideology.
In the place I am coming from – South India – there are many hundreds of stories of people having had to flee their own homes and moving hundreds and thousands of kilometres to faraway places – carrying their family deity – to protect themselves and their deity from the barbarian Muslims rulers – including Tipu Sultan.
The story is passed down generation to generation in the Hindu family – about the signficance of the idol and how they had to flee the Muslim army – and how God showed them a way to escape these marauders and barbarians.
History of the Jihad against the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 – ongoing) http://www.historyofjihad.org/india.html
You my friend – need to learn history a lot.
Foundations of Islamic terrorism
http://agniveer.com/foundations-of-fundamentalist…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/45280884/Foundations-of…
I am telling this from experience because my close Hindu friend's community too had escaped the invading Muslim army and taken their idol outside their native place – nearly 600 kilometres away. They are now in a land where there are very few people from their own community. Yet even after nearly 200/300 years they have maintained their tradition.
I have been to their temple. I have seen the idol. I have been told the hardship the community elders of that time had to face while moving from one place to another.
.what makes you 'chosen ones' dear ??????
…because you have surrendered your rationality to a psychopath….treasure foolhardiness it will only bog you down one day……
…because you offer your a$$ to some fake god……5 TIMES A DAY…
….because you fcuk your sisters….and marry them….
…because you cheated rituals of hindus…of pilgrimage and circum-ambulating around holy diety….shaving head etc….
….because you have get your $ick cut off…..and could satisfy your wives….forcing them to cover their body…..an inhumane treatment……..
…..because…you do not wash your a $$ after defecating…..
…..because you have monopoly over an imaginary heaven….where all forbidden worldly pleasure is waiting……..(i am a hindu…..and for us…salvation is liberation from sorrow and happiness, pain and joy, unification with divine……..that is infinite….that very consciousness that dwells in every one….including pisslamic pigs……i do not hate you brother…………..I PITY YOU)
…i really wonder what make these p!gs live in wonderland????
…..that toilet paper…that in every next para urge you to kill…..
….the entire universe is made up of an element called love…….this love is manifested through force of gravity at macro level and electrostatic force at micro level between electron and proton……..
but i know caravan raider didnt know …it ……………he fooled you by cutting the moon into two…………and spreading the earth as bead sheet…………ha ha ……you only need to be a idiot…to believe in such falsehood…..
Fear mounts on head of culprits lol. Are you one of them? so fear ! It has nothing to do with who are clean.
And there is not a single thing you or your retarded mongerers can do about it Raj?
All you can do is bark, bark and bark.
We are the chosen ones and you are the cursed ones. Get over it.
Otherwise, keep barking at the tree like your Guru Ali Sina and wait for the apple to drop, whilst the rest of us (Muslims) just go to the shop and buy one!
I'm trying to work out who is Dumb and who is Dumber between you and Ali Sina!
See ya, cuz I wouldn't wanna be ya!
Boom!
So who is Iblees then?
This is the crux of the matter. We have an home made invisible character named Ali Sina, who now calls himself a Dr of which nobody has evidence. whether it be medical, science or academia related, is not proficient in the Arabic language, but claims to have debunked the Quran which is in Arabic.
He is a self proclaimed Islam specialist, specialising the tenets of Islam (the Quran), of which he has no understanding or comprehension of the language it is presented in?
His similitude is that of an Aka pygmy who speaks and understands no English, but claims to have debunked Shakespeare. Not a very bright claim to make from the pygmy, is it?
There is dumb and there is DUMB. You can work out which category Ali Sina falls into yourself.
Well STFU then Raj and get on with your life! Are the Muslims knocking on your door and forcing you to believe with a gun to your head? No.
Do Muslims give a schit about what you think or what you don't concerning the Quran? No.
On a side note from me, do you think the Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta are words of God and Scriptures from God?
What is the age of consent in Bolivia and the State of Nayarit in Mexico?
And just so that everyone can be aware, what religion do they practice?
Once you have answered this, we can shred the rest of your mongering comments and deal with ages of consent and child brides throughout history including the prevalent practices classed as the 'norms' 1400 years ago in the West.
/ First let me point it out that the Quran gives a man and woman equal rights. /
In what respect and how? A man can have four wives. A woman can have only one husband. Where are the equal rights?
Two women witnesses equal one male witness. Where is the equality?
Islam does not give equal rights to a man and woman as husband and wife.
// The problem with you people is that you claim that we agree that the Quran is the most accurate. //
I do not agree that the Quran is accurate.
The Nursery Rhyme book is also accurate. Right?
// there are rules which clearly prevents following following of any other source other than the Quran //
That is your belief. Not mine.
I can follow any book I like. You can follow any book you like. We can follow any book provided of course it should not harm someone or does not prevent someone from following their own book/ideology/belief. My beliefs should not be thrust down your throat. Nor your beliefs should be thrust down my throat.
And after all this, if you want to claim that Quran is the most accurate book – I would say, that is your choice. Your are King of your mind, body and your home. I should not have any say in your decision – provided my rights are respected.
To me Quran is not the word of God. Period.
I just do not want to enter into an argument about the authenticy or accuracy of the Quran.
First let me point it out that the Quran gives a man and woman equal rights and women also have the right to divorce, Women can divorce their husbands (2:233, 4:35).
Secondly, Quran has given women equal rights (2:228). Why do you agree with the people who took the right of divorce away from the woman?
According to the Quran, divorce is a case that takes at least four months to be put into effect (2:226; 4:35; 65:6). After divorce, women must wait at least three menstruation before remarriage (2:228-230). A couple can divorce one another twice and can remarry, but after the third divorce they cannot remarry consecutively (2:229, 230). Whoever says that he divorced his wife merely by verbal announcement of the divorce (talaq) three times, is simply a liar. How
can a husband divorce his wife three times only by saying, "I divorce you by three talaqs (divorces)"? If they are blind to believe in these lies must you also support them? You both have the same magnitude, its just that you are traveling in a different direction
The Quran myself and you would agree that is the most accurate right? there are rules which clearly prevents following following of any other source other than the Quran. But when man thinks he can rely on his capacity, this is what happens, he falls flat on the ground. The hadith are dicey, which sources are accurate? i asked ali sina, why has he chosen to side with the version of a wing, whiles ignoring the rest. I also said, i could right a book diagnosing the prothet to be A good, sane, caring father, good judge….etc from thesame sources he used. So why would anybody rely on such a book, a book where you can get anything you want??? That is the problem with the History books. They dont Qualify as authentic, in analysing any issue, one is duty bound to compare every sources available not side with just one side of the whole story, The Khutubu sita
Its high time we spend good time fighting against violence in every aspects of life, Religion, Politics etc and stop a one sided fight, it will never help. while you concentrate on just one, The other outgrows and becomes monstrous and you realize you have to start from scratch with the new monster. Today is extreme Islamism, tomorrow who knows what it will be?
since you are already discussing something with Ali Sina – I would not like to interrupt. I would wish that both you and Sina continue your discussion.
Just a side thought.
You are here siding with interpretations of the mullahs who control the majority
Islamic thought is exactly the Mullahs have projected it to be from the various and numerous verses from the Quran and traditions from Hadith, Sira, etc.
You choose to condemn the Mullahs. You do not choose to condemn the Quran, Hadith, Sira, etc. There lies your problem.
You are here siding with interpretations of the mullahs who control the majority, Tell the truth your battle will be less strenuous. You know when i see the number of people supporting and like your comments on your page, how meager, its really embarrassing, if your breakthrough discovery of mu-hammed pathetic medical condition was so outstanding, You facts about mu-hammed promoting hate are soooooooooooooooooo true and clear, You can present it to world court, i am sure Muslims if they see would support your with this. i will support you if it is proven. But Ali sina, Your side of the story is just one out of many and you know it. My problem is how much you ignore the other stories and go for your current sources….i never seem to be able to understand.
Let us look at history and try to look ahead in the future, in the 21st century.
In history there was always violence, but surprisingly, per capita, it has decreased, not increased,during the last centuries, yes, even with the 2 worldwars in this period. And the advent of a full set of Democratic values and beliefs helped with that.
A key question to me seems: Does freedom of speech, including giving very deep insults to other people, but limited to internet, tv, newspapers, conferences, result on aggregate, in the 21st century in:
more or
less violence?
I think it will result in less violence in the 21 st century!
Yes, there may be those who resort to violence against Muslims. As there are crimes of passion. OK. But many more people, including Muslims, will refrain a lot from violence.
Isn't it better to say that cannot accept ANY violence or discrimination against Muslims, solely because they call themselves Muslims?!
That is what you should ask of us, and we should promise it.
We will punish aggressors against Muslims to the full extent of the law. We will maintain vigorously the democratic principle that legally the authorities have the monopoly of violence.
Isn't it also better to punish, not those who insult on internet, but those who react to insults with violence? Isn't it their choice to react with violence and shouldn't they be held accountable for it?
Remember, the insults on their own do not kill, do not injure. The innocents will stay safe and they can zap away and ignore the insults. But we cannot go around and try to protect people feeling hurt by mere words, at least not when they can zap away from them.
And on the positive side it can be argued that insults do work:
– Defenses can be built against violence that is denounced vehemently, which sounds sometimes insulting.
– Potential violators will know they are being watched, by "'watchdogs", and so they are motivated to refrain from violence as also their potential victims are warned and these can point out to the violators that they are doing what the insulters say they often do. Which impression the violators will want to avoid at all cost.
– Supporters of Islam or people unaware of violence or oppression done by Muslims in the name of Islam can be made aware of this. And start thinking, discussing about it, and they could endeavour to stop and prevent it.
The alternatives to insults in response to violent and oppressibe behavior are:
– ignoring, but remember, a very important reason for people to resort to violence is that violence often works, results in benefits for the violators. So ignoring it may exacerbate it.
– only polite, respectful soft approach, but of course this only sometimes helps, but often fails! It can all to easily be ignored, whereas insults are much harder to ignore.
– counter-violence in response to violence and oppression, done by Muslims in the name of Islam. And this we definitely want to avoid.
If we are to be compared to jihadists, then so be it. But then not to the jihadists that openly incite to violence. Those jihadists that strictly behave like us, we can accept.
You complain about false stories and extreme interpretation. But this is all in a context of freedom of speech. They can be and are checked. Evidence is often asked and given.
And both sides of the argument will be biased and distorting, in part, not just one side. And in rational discussion this will be sorted out.
Please stop discouraging non-violent useful democratically legal discussion.
"Now let's compare to your Islam.
Beating your wife, polygamy, child marriage. … these are stuff that are totally RIGHT!. Okayed by your religion, in fact they're okay-ed even in the Holy Quran, Allah-Approved!"
Next time you place your opinions,please do some homework first.
Where in the Qur'an does it say 'beat your wife'?
When you say polygamy,you think it means having as many wives as you want?
What precisely is 'child marriage in Islam' according to you,marrying an infant to a man?
You have not taken the pain to learn the rulings related to having more than one wife,and what conditions are required to be met for a marriage,hence the emotions you display are understandable.
That is your understanding, It does not change mine. Just as i said, i have been following this site for about six years, The site has gradually depreciated in value to a low level, hate mongering and falsehood website. Ali sina claims to be the person who understand Islam and wants to put islam in its right place??? using half truths and mixing diamonds with glasses to confuse people is his trick. So his mission is compromised by his methods, They are very weak methods. Psychological draining as you agreed is your technique is a very bad method. Thesame method the Mullahs use to incite the belligerent bastards who are heartless. They were trained psychologically first.
Now where did Srila Prabhupada come from?
So you conveniently take one verse from the Book of Revelations,one from the Qur'an (as quoted by Mr.Sina),one fatwa from Srila prabhupada and deduce your theory.
Could you please also tell the world where in the Seerah of Prophet Muhammad have you found these six qualities to have fit well with him.
References Mr Bhagawandas.
Don't play around Mr.Bhagawandas. First decide what you want to follow. Bible,Bhagawadgita,Vedas,the magic spells of Witcan or something else.
Don't pick up one verse from the New Testament and another from Qur'an and equate them both.
You don't seem to have to have 'properly' read the Qur'an. I highlight the word properly because even Mr.Sina claims to have read the Qur'an but in his own way – that is dissecting one verse,subtracting some portions of it,add some of his own and then shout out to the world what his rusted mind came up with.
Did you even bother to cross check the verse Mr.Sina quoted?
Verse 3:34 in the Qur'an is:
Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Blind following a blind. Literally and figuratively.
Muslims do not believe in the soul as you believe. Do not try to fit a round in a square.
Peace and Islam both go in the opposite direction.
Tell me what gets you peace?
And no, we are here to help the Muslims open their eyes. Dr Ali Sina is doing exactly that. He is calling filth for what it is. He is not butter polishing it.
Just because we are telling that Islam is wrong – will not make Muslims more violent. That violence is inherent in them.
Islam is evil. Muslims, though brainwashed with this evil ideology, yet are humans. . Most of the Muslims (humans) are not lost. An effort is being made to help them to see the Truth and encouragement is given to them to come out of this evil ideology.
Jihadist are actually Muslims in the true sense of Islam. Most of them are lost case – like the terrorists. They have very less humanity left in them. But it does not mean that even they cannot be changed.
There are four types of Muslims. Of these the one sitting on the fence – indifferent Muslims, then the moderate Muslims, then the Mullahs ( the real beneficiaries of Islam) and the stupid jihadis ( who battle and lose their lives, so that the Mullahs can rule.
The fence sitter and the jihadis are stupid. The moderate Muslims can turn anyway – but when push comes to shove they will choose the jihadi way. The Mullahs – those who using the evil Islamic ideology, the Quran, the Hadith, etc – know which side/part of the bread contains more butter positions himself so as to get the maximum benefit and in the process pushing the jihadis to extremism. The Mullahs are like Mohammad himself. Just like Mohammad, they enjoy the fruits of what Mohammad created – Islam.
e.g. many Mullahs offer themselves as husband for a divorced wife for the halala procedure. These Mullahs get their one night stand.
This is Islam.
You have realised that there is evil in Islam – whether the right or the left wing or the wrong wing. Once you come to know that there is more wrong in Islam and again further when you realize that most of Islam is wrong – you will leave Islam.
In the next step, you after you have opened your eyes, will help others open their eyes.
Everything is wrong with Islam.
Reminds me of the Thugee cult.
The Thugs resemble the evil ideology of the Arabs very much.
Islam is just an evil cult.
(Sorry but this comment got posted elsewhere.) I like your statement Vijay. "There are people who have questioned ". Pardon the cherry picking. But that's what upanishads teach us, to question, to debate a claim made in the book. no books are closed and cannot be challenged. To looks at things from Cosmo-Psycho -theological aspects. Then debate the claim. It's neti neti., etcetra, To live in debate, not live with it. Cheers to you since you've given others a valuable insight with your statement.
I like your statement Vijay. "There are people who have questioned ". Pardon the cherry picking. But that's what upanishads teach us, to question, to debate a claim made in the book. no books are closed and cannot be challenged. To looks at things from Cosmo-Psycho -theological aspects. Then debate the claim. It's neti neti., etcetra, To live in debate, not live with it. Cheers to you since you've given others a valuable insight with your statement.
Islam is filled with
1. Rational scoundrels like Mohammad, who know why they are in this business of jihad.
2. Irrational fools who believe in the scoundrel's outpouring as the word of GOD
The former are active atatayis & the later are passive atatayis.
The danger posed by the passive atatayi is no less than the danger emanating from
active atatayis. Active atatayis are the creative face of Islam – who own up / rationalize
all of the criminal acts from Mohammad to Bin Laden & continue to preserve the passive
atatyis in their fold through fear of hellfire.
What should be done with an atatayi?
Srila Prabhupada —
" If somebody comes to your home to kidnap your wife,
to take by force your property or to set fire in your house, he is called atatayi.
He should immediately be killed. It is not that nonviolence nonsense. If somebody is
coming to attack you unnecessarily, you must kill him first. It is not Vaisnavism…
"Oh, this man is coming to kill me. Right. All right, let me embrace him."
No. That is not the rule. When there is atatayi, aggressor, you must fight,
you must kill. That is religious."
There is a world of difference between Mohammad's injunction to kill (perfectly harmless
non-believers of Allah ( SDAF= SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD)) and the above injunction of
Srikrishna to kill an atatayi.
Evil yes! but its a wrong wing of Islam. I agree so many things are wrong with islam, its been hijacked by mullahs from within. If you all spew so much against them, remeber there are innocent people amongst them as well, People who were not given a choice to choose what they wanted, People who were indoctrinated from birth! BUT THE FOLKS ON THIS WEBPAGE INCITE HATRED AGAINST A BILLION PLUS PEOPLE WHICH MIGHT LEAD TO A GENOCIDE ATTACK AGAINST INNOCENT MUSLIMS IN THE NEAR FUTURE! you know what? the evil minority who commit all these evil would not be affected, but rather the innocent majority who beilive in peace are the ones who would be victims. So why are the people of this site reminding me of the jihadist and how they operate? they spew hate, incite their followers against Christians, Innocent people, They incite them with all sort of false stories and extreme interpretation of verses to justify the killings. THAT IS WHAT I SEE IN THIS SITE, you starting with insults, very soon some people will feel justified to attack innocent muslims, because this site does not differentiate between a jihadist and an innocent Muslim!
Halala is stupid. So you agree that there is evil practice in islam.
1. An arsonist
2. One give poison to other
3. One who attacks with weapon on another who has no weapon
4. One who steals another's money
5. One who illegally possesses another's land
6. One who kidnaps another's wife
—–these six are Atatayis.
Mohammad fits perfectly into the above description of an atatayi.
What should be done with an atatayi?
(Surah Baqarah 1-7 ) – Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who
are the successful. Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you
warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts
and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
Irrational fear is the weapon of Allah ( =SATAN DISGUISED AS GOD)
Mohammad is the greatest Scoundrel ever born. Fear is his weapon.
Irrational fear works with Stupid fools. Offer of War Booty attracts Rational Scoundrels
like Mohammad. Islam is full of Rational Scoundrels & Satan fearing Fools
Halala is stupid. Another person marries your wife legally with no plans of divorcing her! a divorce is a rare case scenario. all this means is a second marriage! and a divorce after a second marriage should not be dictated by a mullah, so the new bride stays with the husband for as long as possible, if there is no divorce between them, the husband should forget a remarry.
(Surah Baqarah 1-7 ) – Alif, Lam, Meem. This is the Book about which there is no doubt,
a guidance for those conscious of Allah – And who believe in what has been revealed
to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they
are certain [in faith].
No Doubt, It is a perfect Guidance to Thugs like Mohammad ,
since Allah is SATAN in the Guise of GOD
Ali Sina said : You seem to have missed the whole point.
No it was you who has missed what the verse is about
Ali Sina said : It makes no different to my argument whether Allah is addressing Moses of the people of Moses.
Yes it does . If I see you that you have understood basic English sentence in reverse I would have to stop and dismiss the rest of your article as garbage
Ali Sina said : The fact is the Quran is full of errors
that is your interprertation and misunderstanding of koran which are full of errors and not koran .
Ali Sina said : where pronounce change abruptly)
Only people who are ignorant in Arabic would say that . Let me teach you Arabic , shall we ?
God is adressing The Israelites in this verse by saying to them
And [recall] when you ( Israelites ) said, : "O Moses, we ( the Israelites ) will never believe you ( refer to Moses ) until we ( Israelites ) see Allah outright"; so the thunderbolt took you ( Guys ) while you ( Guys ) were looking on.
The mistakes which you have made is you thought that you in the the phrase took you refer to Moses which I found it very funny BECAUSE IT DEFIES COMON SENSE . We have Israelite saying to Moses that they will not believe him unless they see God outright and instead God to punish them according to you he punished Moses instead LOL . It shows you understood nothing in that verse or you have twisted logic . the relative pronoun you in English can be used for singular and plural not in Arabic . Had you read the verse in Arabic you would have noticed the difference and understand the phrase took you adresses plural and not singular because the verbe took will be written in plural form with kM in the end while for singular would have been K in the end instead . This is tells me that you do not read koran in Arabic . You see how smart people can expose your lies about reading koran in Arabic even they did not meet you
Then We ( refer to God ) revived you after your ( refer to Israelites ) death that perhaps you ( refer to Israelites ) would be grateful.
Ali Sina said : No matter how many times you call me dumb and stupid those who read your asinine comments can easily see who is dumb and stupid.
Oh really . If you could not even understand basic comon sense and have the verse understood in very funny way not even 10 year old Muslim kid would not have made that kind of error and still you did not want me to call you stupid and dumb . I thought you said you only need few comon sense to understand koran . I can see how right you are LOL . Your understanding of that verse should be good enough to anybody to dismiss you as ignorant about koran . This is what I would have done if I had been one of your
admirers .
Ali Sina said : Forget the Arabic. Pay attention to logic.
You should have advised yourself about logic . if you think it was Moses who disbelieve in Allah , is that logical dummy . Would that be logical that God would chose a man who will later disbelieve in him
Ali Sina said : The point of the story is that it is not sane, sound and rational to strike someone and then rescue him so he can thank you. This behavior is not befitting for the creator of the universe but rather for a narcissist.
You have no point plus where did you get this from . This is just your opinion and we are not obligated to believe it
Ali Sina said : In your desperation to find an error in my writings
Arent you obssessed in finding errors in koran. You have written an article and it is my right to read it and correct it if I see mistakes in it . So you have admitted that there are errors in your writing why would people pay attention to what you write if you cannot even interpret correctly basic koranic verse .
BY THE WAY THE DONKEY THAT YOU HAVE READING KORAN I GOT NAME OF HIM
ALI SINA LOL
The Book of Revelation 12:9 says "Satan is the deceiver of the whole world "
Quran 3:34 says “and Allah is the best of deceivers” (waAllahu khayru almakireen ).
Allah = satan
The perfect rational conclusion
So true !
Muslims squabble over the prophet, messenger, postman, delivery man, someone carrying rubber stamps, etc. Who is bigger or better? These silly squabbles in fact expose Islam for it is – a big lie.
1. There will be no reward for all those benighted fools
who give their money and life for Muhammad and his fictitious Allah.
2. Why would he need to borrow money from Muslims to finance the raids of his favorite prophet?
Perfectly Rational.
@Vijay
_____As per Islam, the first Prophet was the First man Hazrat Adam______
The concept God sending Prophets is the most silly concept to have. For example, Muslims consider that Allah is all-powerful yet believe in Prophets and postman. Thus they imply that Allah is not capable enough to directly guide the living beings and hence has to use agents like Prophets/postman and Angels to help Him out.
And look at the defective ways of God when he acts through Prophets. Jesus is supposed to be a Prophet and he could not help document the Bible properly. Whatever he did goes in vain because original Bible does not exist. Similarly Muhammad is alleged to be a Prophet of Allah but could not properly document Quran during his lifetime. He did not even know that his book will be called Quran. The Quran was later compiled only 20 years after his death, in most controversial manner. The oldest Quran available today is 300 years after Muhammad’s death and is said to be copy of the Quran compiled 20 years after his death. Such are the ways of those superstitious cults who believe in Prophets.
But Vedic God is truly all-Powerful and hence directly communicates with all souls instead of using agents.
Vedic God is within us and outside us. So He needs no third-party outsourcing agents to guide us. http://agniveer.com/god-vedas-hinduism/
Wait, As per Islam, the first Prophet was the First man Hazrat Adam AS(Adam). Islam is there since inception. Shahda(witness) was changed with Last Prophet PBUH, while it had names of other prophets, time to time.
I anyway respect your views, but one point i want to make, Be it Holy Vedas, Ahadith, Holy Kuran, Holy Bible, Guru Book of Sikhs, Pitaks, Agams. All are creation of God. You may say Holy Vedas only, but they too are made by Purusha/Mithra/Agni/Indra all name of One. So creator is bigger then creations, be it holy book like Holy Veda. Forgive me from differing with you. I am polite with you as your ideology i oppose. To the people i am harsh, i tend to support their faith often. Who am i ? all is the God.
@Vijay
Muslim can not claim Islam is Sanatan Dharma/eternal religion. Because Mohammed is not eternal and Allah Shahada "La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah" also not eternal. In Islam have stories around Arabia Land same as Hinduism which is talk about just Indian sub-continent. But Veda is eternal religion have not story of a particular person, place etc .Hinduism has a variety of interpretations including loyalty towards Hindusthan aka Indian subcontinent and its culture. But Vedic religion is for every human being – be he or she belong to India, or Zambia, or Sweden or Saudi Arabia.
All other cults come in package deals. You have certain core beliefs, some books, some prophets, some priests, some rituals and some prophecies. You have to either accept all or be out. Even if you in reality accept only a few components of the package, you still have to publicly announce allegiance to the entire package. So in a way, falsehood is promoted. You must announce your loyalty to what you can neither verify nor logically understand nor find reasonable or face exit.
Vedic religion is made to fit. You believe in only what you find logically sound, reasonable, intuitive and what you can understand right now. You can refuse to claim allegiance to any book, saint, belief etc and yet be Vedic so far you adhere to honesty. http://agniveer.com/common-questions-vedic-religi…
Dear awie, how in the world do you know that my dear Ms Ali Sina is a man and not a woman? Have you check his body to confirm that he is truly a man? Why does it bother you so much as to how I address our dear Ali Sina as Ms and not Mr or Dr at all? Didn't you notice that my dear Ms Ali Sina don't even care or bother about how I address her/him here at all? Anyway, what's most important is that I love this human being very much and he/her knew it very well. 🙂
Hindu is a nationality, Vedic Dharma is all the more Arya Samaj started by Swami Dayanand Ji Saraswati, they have valid point to condemn Muslims, Hindu etc.
Sanatan Dharam, literally means, the noble duty assigned by eternal. A Muslim can claim that Islam is Sanatan Dharma, so could be done by Jews. It can be said here again, that should Muslims, doing Dawa(invitation to Islam), should leave it and start preventing apostates ? OK, any Muslim can take care of apostate by sending him/her to grave ? Sometime this may be done to fellow Muslim, who differs by ideology . See the handiwork of an apostate from Pakistan.
http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_conte…
I never assumed you would be, it was a query followed by a suggestion to Truth Seeker.
Name Ali(RA) needs a respect. Use A!i instead, is you have to insult, but had prophet PBUH, in your place, he should have shown love to people, who hated him.
There is something which is read "Lahaul Billah Quwwat". All power from the God. There was a time no one Existed bu Allah, all are creation of the God, including Iblis. One day Only The God will exists. "free will", "independent power" etc are the buzzwords of protestants. They have done more harm to Islam, then anyone. No need to get influenced by them, as they read more, then to use their time meditate. So their children are either atheists, neo pagans or following Yoga from Hindus.
That is not a wild guess. This is the thesis I presented in my book and if you read it you’ll see I have evidenced everything.
When I wrote this book I did not write it for others. I asked myself if I had the chance to travel back in time and meet myself, what would I tell my believing self to convince him? I think that is why the book is so convincing. It answers real questions Muslims have. Only one being on both sides could write such a book.
hehehe…..you are mean
No., I am not getting paid by PETA,
but I support PETA.
The donkey is cute and blessed, I have a statue
for a donkey by my front door to welcome or kick
the visitors (it depends).
thanks
All those stuff you grumble about are forms of personal irresponsibility. Even cultures where these are practiced, people there agree that these are wrong and are irresponsible. No, these have no legal backings, although sanctions are more often social instead of legal.
Now let's compare to your Islam.
Beating your wife, polygamy, child marriage. … these are stuff that are totally RIGHT!. Okayed by your religion, in fact they're okay-ed even in the Holy Quran, Allah-Approved!
That's the difference.
It's just insane if you still think your Islam is better.
Do you think anyone should buy this story? lol.
These sick couple had very successful , victorious , respected , popular, loving life and psychotic hallucinations become guide to billions. Wow !
Many writers have this problem that they think writing how to get success means getting success lol
So because the first person who became a Muslims was a co-dependent woman it means Islam is good for women? Khadijah was also a mentally sick woman. You should read my book to learn the dynamism between this too sick individuals.
No Islam does not become a pro women religion because is foolish woman like Khadija believed in the psychotic hallucinations of her husband nor because idiotic women today convert to Islam.
You seem to have missed the whole point. It makes no different to my argument whether Allah is addressing Moses of the people of Moses. (The fact is the Quran is full of errors like this where pronounce change abruptly) The point of the story is that it is not sane, sound and rational to strike someone and then rescue him so he can thank you. This behavior is not befitting for the creator of the universe but rather for a narcissist. Forget the Arabic. Pay attention to logic. In your desperation to find an error in my writings you cling to any straw man and miss the entire argument.
No matter how many times you call me dumb and stupid those who read your asinine comments can easily see who is dumb and stupid.
These are proven facts. Are you getting paid by PETA to call donkey cute?
Have you finished watching star wars ! lol
He is narrating Sufi interpretation of omnipotence and omnipresent Allah.
SWT = Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
You seems have not read !
Quran 4:34 allows to beat and then asking to forgo mahr then give consent. Are you writing some story !
Abuse women ! You forgot first person who embrace Islam was woman.
Here is another proof that you do not read Koran in Arabic liar as you always claim.
Here is the proof .
You said : The Quran 2:55-56 says, Allah stroke Moses with lightening and then revived him so Moses thank Him.
You quoted this verse to support you stupid and dumb interpretation .
“And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly; and even while ye gazed the lightning seized you. Then We revived you after your extinction, that ye might give thanks.”
I found out that you not arabic ignorant , but you are also dumb in english AND COMON SENSE LOL . Why would Allah in verse punish Moses , dummy ? he was not the one who disbelieve in Allah it was the people of Israel who did . the prenoum YOU refer to Moses people and not Moses . You would have noticed THAT had you read the verse in arabic which you never do when it comes to koran. My advise to you stop saying to people that you read koran because the book which is called koran is the one in Arabic and PERIOD .
Show me where the Quran recommends that the courts should decide on marriage? Many Muslim countries have this in place where a qazi decides. But all the Quran says is that when a man wants to divorce he can do it by uttering talaq and when a woman wants to divorce she has to give up her mahr and even compensate her husband for all the money he has spent on her to make him say the word talaq.
“when i first heard it, Oral divorce, i knew it was absurd,”
It is absurd alright but it is practiced by many Muslims. How all these people came to such and absurd understanding of Islam when the Quran says it is a clear book and why can’t you produce a single clear verse to put this absurdity to rest?
“a third divorce is a rare case scenario”
It is not rare. But let us assume it is rare. Is making the wife go to bed with another man the best solution? My point is to show you the stupidity of Muhammad and you tell me but it is a rare case. That is not the point at all. It is like I tell you that my prophet says if your house is flooded set it on fire. You say but it is stupid and I respond don’t worry about it the chance of a flood is very slim. Why can’t you admit that something stupid is stupid?
I don't intend to continue this discussion, its obvious we both are in different levels i am referring to real divorce with court proceedingd as recommended by the Quran, not what is promoted in sectarian teaching. Since we can not both reach the same junction as we are traveling in different direction, i guess we don't just continue. I acknowledge for sure it happens, when i first heard it, Oral divorce, i knew it was absurd, upon my detailed and thorough search, i realized it a sectarian thing. The oral utterances is not supported in the Quran, Divorce proceedings are recommended to be observed, and a third divorce is a rare case scenario. that is my point. The story you quoted are a group of poor misinformed Muslims just like the rest of the majority. Mind you i am not angry, i have better things to do, i have seen more bigoted post on your page, i have seen a lot on this page since i was in secondary school. JSS. i owe so much i have learnt today with regards religious issues especially my beloved Islam to you today! from your website, i understood something, which is to know your weaknesses, find out from your opponents or weaknesses. And if 6 years of faith-freedom articles, books have not 'saved' me or 'librated me' i dont think there is much you can do now to save me. Stay well, and more power to your elbow in your fight against islam!
So how should we honour you Raj?
But you don't find it embarrassing women having one stands, orgies, gang-bangs, multiple partners, multiple sexual play at the same time. making pornographic movies etc, all under the guise of freedom and rational thinking?
You also don't find it embarrassing when women have an argument with their partner, leave home same day, have sex with an ex or stranger same day and then come back to the relationship on the same day?
Who decided so ?
I don't believe that Satan gets his power from Allah, I believe each
of them is an independent power,…..one of them builds and the
other destroys (if they exist).
What is SWT ?
and who told you the "You" is interested !
I did not say a woman should stay single after divorce, you have so much hate and anger in you that you don’t pay attention to what I write and come to a very distorted understanding of what I say.
“whatever is leading to a third divorce in a home must be serious and i am sure the probability of remarrying after a third divorce is very small.”
As the stories I quoted show such divorces are not serious and the husband does not want really to divorce. He is just angry. But let us assume it is serious, making the wife sleep with another man will make it better? You just can’t bring yourself to admit that your prophet was a crazy man. You deny all the crazy things that are in hadith but try to justify the ones in the Quran. Once you admit that this man you deny worshiping was a lunatic the whole confusion will go away. Every mystery will be solved. The sooner you do it the better is for you and your children whom you brainwash with Islamic nonsense.
You think for a couple to take marriage seriously is to to let another man screw the wife? Why not make the thing I suggested such as abolish child marriage, abolish polygamy and issue the divorce certificate after one year of separation? This is the sane way. Muhammad’s way is not sane. No matter how you twist it and how much you insult me Islam remains a stupid religion.
You keep blaming the “sectarian religions”for ever idiocy that is in Islam. How could all these Muslims get such an erroneous idea of Islam when the Quran repeatedly claims to be a clear book with no doubt in it?
If your answer to all the asininities in the Quran is hiding your head in the sand and blaming the “sectarian religions” be my guest, but you fool none but yourself.
She is no longer your wife after divorce, She can marry someone else! do you expect her to stay single after a divorce? and as for your finding it embarrassing, that's because you still think she will be your wife after divorce! whatever is leading to a third divorce in a home must be serious and i am sure the probability of remarrying after a third divorce is very small. The condition is just a precautionary measure, The couples should really think about about it before starting the divorce process, as against the version of ORAL divorce. In islam accoeding to the Quran, divorce is a process. Sectarian teachings are the things you choose to go with, and you will rot with them!
Funny that you think this khula’ is just.
If a man want to divorce his wife all he has to do is utter one word. If the woman wants to divorce, she has to forgo her mahr and compensate her abusive husband for all he has spent on her. But what is she does not have that money. Tough luck! Then it all depends on convincing the husband to say the magical word talaq. If he refuses? There is nothing the woman or the judge can do.
One does not have to be a genius to see how this ruling allows men to further abuse women. If a man wants to get rid of her wife and does not want to pay her mahr, all he has to do is absue her and beat her as the Quran 4:34 allows him to do until the woman finds living with him unbearable. Then she can initiate for divorce and he would consent only if she forgoes her mahr.
Genius Muhammad! Who could have though of a better way to abuse women?
Read about Khula , women even have right to overrule the husband's refusal
You are habitual of adding lunatic , narcissistic ( hatred) with prophet Muhammad (pbuh) only describe how low you feel talking about prophet and you try to boost yourself with those words lol
Well I am observing ramadan, my eyes 360º witness how much people love Muhammad (pbuh)
Polygamy is not a compulsion in Islam (!== men are polygamous by nature.)
Age of puberty is law to marry a girl.
Both have right to divorce each other
When a man has initiated a divorce the procedure is called ṭalaq When a woman has initiated a divorce it is called khula
The site http://alsunna.org/Divorce-Rules-in-Islam.html explains the modality of divorce in Islam.
Divorce is of two types: explicit or implicit.
The explicit is that which takes place regardless of the intention and its statement bears only one meaning according to the language. This includes using the word divorce for example, I divorce you or answering yes to the question do you divorce your wife?
The implicit can bear several meanings and divorce takes place only if there was an intention for it with the initiation of the statement. Some examples are, “go back to your parents”, “you are on your own”, or “start calculating your iddah”.
Additionally, divorce can be made contingent on a matter such as saying if you do so and so then you are divorced, in such a case should the woman do the mentioned matter then she will become divorced.
The verse 4:128 does not take the power of man to divorce his wife as explained above. It says if a woman is abused and wants to leave her husband she can ask for settlement. It means that the husband must consent to divorce and if he does not want to divorce her, bad luck for. There is nothing she can do about it.
No what I said is not in the Quran.If it were Muslim men could not marry a child, they could not have multiple wives and they could not have divorced their wives by uttering one word.
Although the part that what I say is already in the Quran is a lie, I am happy that you see the superiority of what I say to the ruling of the lunatic Muhammad.
“You idea of living apart and spying each other is funny.”
The spying on each other part is your addition. I just said the couple should live apart and they should not have any conjugal relations with each other or with anyone else. I know that is hard for Muslim men, but that is the whole point to force the couple to not divorce for silly things.
“Prove me man is monogamous by nature!”
This is amazing. You Muslims keep arguing that we humans are not animal and now you want me to show you the cases of monogamy among animals so you can emulate?
Monogamy is an evolutionary imperative among humans. Only 3% of mamals are monogamous, while 90% of birds are monogamous, some for one season until the chicks fledge and leave the nest and some for life. Each species has evolved it own way of survival. Monogamy is good for human species because our children depend on both parents for a long time for their survival. We don’t have to look at how other animals live. Our needs are different.
Islamic 'Adult Breastfeeding' Fatwas Return http://www.meforum.org/3211/islamic-adult-breastf…
It will be decided, by who wins the debate. But I think that Allah SWT is on the either side. Iblis/Satan, also get power from Allah SWT. Either case Allah SWT will win as it has happening since the time of creation. Many times Allah SWT does many tasks. Repeat.
[ It is Muhammad who has made a mockery of marriage. First he allows a child who is mature enough only to choose the color of her dress enter in marriage and then insults human intelligence by saying marriage must be done with the consent of both parties. How a child can consent and what is the worth of that consent?
Then he allows a man to marry multiple wives. Isn't polygamy a mockery of the sacredness of marriage?
Then he gives men the right to divorce any wife by merely uttering a word. And you still have to chutzpa to say marriage in Islam is a serious matter? ]
Just brilliant ! You caught the whole lie about Islamic genius going into law making.
Whatever you are suggesting are already in Quran before any situation like divorce, read verses I have posted !
You idea of living apart and spying each other is funny.
Couples are not lawful to each other after divorce. And there is a way how they will be lawful again. simple law
Prove me man is monogamous by nature !
We have genius law makers here Ali Sina.
Do you know about the law made by Mohammad allowing suckling of non mehram men?
There was this Al Azhar suckling fatwa. These are real law makers.
Then there is the fatwa passed by the Muslim village elders and endorsed by Deoband seminary (which later retracted it) where Imrana a Muslim woman was raped by her father in law. Imrana was made haram to her husband and halal for her father in law. Henceforth Imrana was to be a mother to her husband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imrana_rape_case
The leading Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband also issued a fatwa[4] or opinion, which quotes from Quran 4:22: wa la tankihoo ma nakaha aaba-o-kum, “And marry not women whom your fathers married”, and not distinguishing between rape and adultery, said that as a result of her father-in-law's act, she should now be treated as the mother of her husband and she could no longer live with him even though Imrana had not married her father in law
Only when the case was taken to the court was sanctity of the relationship with her husband upheld and restored and the guilty punished. These are genius laws of the Muslims.
I don’t understand your question. I did not say the couple will be lawful to each other after divorce. I said if Muhammad really took marriage seriously he would not have said a child can consent to marriage, he would not have allowed polygamy and he would not have given men the power to divorce their wives by uttering the word divorce.
If a couple, or one of them wants to divorce, the best way is to set a date to commence the divorce. From that date the couple should live apart and should not have conjugal relations, but they are still legally married. During one year they must receive counseling. Families can intervene, professionals should be consulted. If during this year the couple reconcile, they can go back and live together. No divorce has taken place. They are husband and wife. But if after one year of living separately there is no love between them and either one of them is unwilling to reconcile a divorce certificate can be issued and both parties will be free to find another partner. This is more sound, sane and rational than the ruling of the Quran.
Second verse
Quran 4: 128
"And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them – and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah – then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted."
Divorce is last option in Islam
Quran 4:19
"O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them – perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good."
Quran 4:19
"And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them – and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah – then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted."
Quran 4:35
"And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]."
Take two years of patience and counseling and divorce happened what if he change his mind third year. How can a person is lawful to you when you have already divorced ? Whats you mean divorce then if person is lawful at the same time you divorce ? There is nothing you mean divorce then.
Man you are not a lawmaker you are a critic ! Law is not something written in kitchen to suit you only. It is for all IQ levels including stupids, genius and average.
and who would allow the "You" to our Vedic religion ? What would they become after following Sanatan Dharma? Hindus? Sanatan Dharmis, Followers of Sanatan Dharma? And who would sanctify them, The shankracharyas? Why don't you please concentrate on enlightening the ones leaving Sanatan Dharma instead of wasting time in promoting Hinduism here. Just a suggestion Buddy. Don't take it to heart?
How about a year of patience and counseling before making the divorce legal? Wouldn’t that be better than a man saying talaq and end the marriage?
It is Muhammad who has made a mockery of marriage. First he allows a child who is mature enough only to choose the color of her dress enter in marriage and then insults human intelligence by saying marriage must be done with the consent of both parties. How a child can consent and what is the worth of that consent?
Then he allows a man to marry multiple wives. Isn’t polygamy a mockery of the sacredness of marriage?
Then he gives men the right to divorce any wife by merely uttering a word. And you still have to chutzpa to say marriage in Islam is a serious matter?
Elaborate your other ways please !
The woman is punished by making her marry another man and have sex with him first in order to be lawful to remarry due to her husband's rash decision to divorce in saying talaq in haste. There are many other ways like not allowing the husband to divorce so easily in the first place but this way (Allah's way) is just stupid.
Yes Iranian Muslims sacrifice goats and sheep. Muslims have no trace of Zoroastrianism in them. It is when they leave Islam that they feel nostalgic about their ancestral culture and heritage.
This is to stop kids to play divorce & remarry game . See the risk factor and think before divorce OK.Its serious matter. And if you are so made up your mind to divorce then you are ready made for next possible situation. You have wasted 5 minutes thinking this topic.
Being Devils advocate, and acting like so called rationalist. I could say that few versions tend to ban free thinking before one has to start the study of the text. Then i reply to myself. My mind is made up of matter. To reach divine, materialistic brain is not going to help me. It is soul in me, which is of Allah SWT. It is light in Me, which is Allah SWT. It starts from where thinking of brain fails. But it will be deeds in way of the God/Amal, which will help me and not my knowledge on the matters of texts/Ilam.
So you mean he is wasting his time for Muslims ?
Well there are people from Christianity, who have questioned Holy Bible. Hindus similarly did. Dr Sina is doing same for Islam. More he questions, more task of learned Muslims rise. If Muslims give him sensible answers. They are doing a great service to Islam.
“Tell me what is embarassing about remarrying after you divorce your wife!”
I find it embarrassing if I had to let my wife have sex with another man so she become lawful to me again. I find it embarrassing if my mother had to go to bed with another man so she become lawful to my father again. I believe the woman also will find it extremely humiliating to go to bed with a man so she can be lawful to her husband. If you think it is okay for your wife and mother to go through that, I respect that. I am talking about myself and I believe most people think like me.
Thanks for the unasked publicity Mr.Sina.
Perhaps you forgot to mention the reference for your post – " 101 errors in the Koran – by xyz,a former Christian turned Buddhist turned Athiest" ?
While on your quest of searching the discrepencies in the Qur'an,have you ever wondered why the initial verses of the Qur'an are placed in the order in which they are?
(Surah Baqarah 1-7 )
Alif, Lam, Meem.
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah –
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
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Why do you think is this 'whether you warn them or do not warn them,they will not believe' and 'seal upon the hearts' mentioned right in the beginning of the Qur'an,even before mentioning anything about laws of divorce,about ants talking to Solomon,sun setting in muddy spring or stars falling on jinns who eavesdrop? Why does the Qur'an begin with this side note of not wasting breath on those who have already decided not to use their intellect,no matter how much you (genuinely) try to explain?
Even before I think of debunking your fallacies and bursting the 'I-think-I know-it-all' balloon,I must realise who I'm talking to.The seal on your heart becomes more apparent with each new post on this site.
A sound,sane and rational mind would read,ponder and realise. It's amazing how you believe in the botanical science when you don't acknowledge having any Creator in the first place.
The opening verses of Surah Baqarah come as a perfect reminder to me. The absurdity in your way of rationalising only bears testimony to the truth in them
I already said this law like everything in the clear and unambiguous Quran is interpreted by Muslims differently. According to the Hanafi school, if you pronounce talaq three times, it is counted as three, which means you have no way of taking back your wife unless she marries another person and the new husband gets to divorce her willingly. However, according to the opinion of other scholars, it is considered as once, though pronounced in triple form. Don’t try to convince me. Go and convince millions of Muslims who follow Hanafi School. I also quoted the story of Chanda Teli with a link to the source where a not so young couple get into fight and the husband in his anger utters talaq three times. When Molvi Chiragh Deen (of Gherowal) is consulted he rules that the couple must separate and she must marry another man and have sex with him and then if this man willingly divorces her the two can remarry. The sons of this couple who had already their wives became so irate at their father that they wanted to kill him. This family and millions of others like them go through real trauma for this stupid law, a law so stupid that you are embarrassed to own it and by insulting me want to lessen your shame.
Not all Muslims interpret this law the way Hanafis do. Others think uttering three times talaq is still one talaq. This reduces the severity of this law but does it reduce its stupidity? Why such a law should even exist? How this utterly asinine law helps to improve the love between the couple? Muhammad was a lunatic, but some of the things he did are plain nuts.
correction, flesh of calf is Goosht E Goshalie, while Ghoshfand is sheep.
You are very smart. A smart ass.
During Zoroshtriyan time also, Cow was sacrifised in Iran(made from word Aryan), It is called Goosht E Gau, while of calf is perhaps Gosht E Goshfand.
Indian Farsi, on their arrival in India, were made to promise by local Hindu of Gujrat, that they will not kill cow.
The Pagan's of Pak-Afghanistan border, Kalashas(Still Pagan) and Kafristanis(who are by now forcefully converted to your favorite religion of peace) have history of cattle sacrifice while, they follow a kind of Indo-Iranian religion, which their main God, is God of death, Imra, who in Sanskrit called Yamraja. In Muslims and Sikhs, same is called Angel Israel.
Zoroastrians who still live in Iran, may not have any problem with beef. While are you sure about the policy of Hindus, native of Bali and Kalimantan ?
There will be hardly any difference between Muslims forcing Halal or Hindus forcing no beef eating to local tribes of Arunanchal. Hindus at least can tolerate the local customs of Pagans, who see Hindus as their natural allies.
http://ecer-org.eu/
I am not against Hindus not eating beef or opposing cow slaughter in India, but Hindus forcing others from doing so is not the part of tolerant legacy of Sanatan Dharma better is to go vegan.
(sorry to jumping in between, back to Dr Sina)
mr
ali sina
iwant to know something as iranians have converted toisla but still have zoroastrian culture in their blood ,do they sacrfices cow like other muslim countriesplz reply
How about Mrs Ali Sina then?
How do you know? Transgender ?! may be !
Stupid donkey is not cute animal and no way compared to human. Human is superior to all animals.
This article is filed under hatred , inferiority complex , crooked logic , frustration
Glad to know brotherhood among animals.
Hi Agracean,
Mr.Ali Sina is a man. Pls do not adress him as Ms Ali Sina. Ok?
'Divorced' Muslim women re-enter in-laws' home
TNN Aug 11, 2010, 06.39am IST
LUCKNOW: The Muslim women are beginning to demur with patriarchal notions of bias and control. At least this much was evident when 100-odd angry women marched down the congested alleys of old city here, waving placards and shouting slogans. It was a sight none must have ever seen before.
The 1.5-km walk in this uber conservative neighbourhood ended at the residence of Abdees' and marital home of Hina and Arshi, the two among three women who had roughed up some maulvis of the Shariat court in June for issuing ex-parte talaqnama. Amid tight security and after much drama, the two muscled their way in, leaving their morose looking in-laws with no option but to watch them in silence. The fierce army of chaperones then left, promising to keep in touch.
"The incident proves that Muslim women have had enough of mullah interference,"declared state convener of Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan Naaz Raza, who led the march. This could just be the beginning, warned her colleague Naish Hasan. The feisty lady spells big trouble for the maulvis with her outspokenness. This year has seen at least a dozen anti-women fatwas from Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband. Women are forbidden to ride bicycles, join public office without hijab, talk loudly, join judiciary or even talk to their fiance before marriage. And now they have one question, said Naish, "Just why not?''
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"When a woman puts a 'daliya' (wicker basket) on her head and carries bricks, no mullah advises her not to work beside men. But the moment she dons a stethoscope or a black coat, there are restrictions galore,"complained Shahnaz Begum.
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The semi-literate chikan worker from Bansmandi says, "Maulvis are scared they may lose their importance once women begin to exercise their brains. And each issue, from condoning triple talaq to pronouncing anti-woman fatwa, only shows their insecurity." http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-…
Oh, yeah…..donkeys are better than Muslims, and Muslims
are better than you !
Braindead zombies !!!!!
look into the mirror and you will see one
If you look at yourself, you will find it full of flaws,
start to criticize it first before criticizing anyone
or anything else
The Intelligence of Islam: 'Donkey rape' sparks tribal massacre in Yemen http://thechroniclesofislam.blogspot.in/2012/05/i…
[[ The intellegence and grace that Muslims display at all times is without compare. That the grandure of Islam can be seen in the actions of Allah's slaves is without question a motivating factor for the trillions upon trillions of kuffar that are reverting to the Religion of Peace.
That said, please see this striking example of the value of human life (as it pertains to Muslims) and the GLORY that Islam provides it's followers.
'Donkey rape' sparks tribal massacre in Yemen
Fifteen people were killed or injured in tribal fighting in Yemen after a male donkey chased an ass and raped it just near the house of its owner.
Newspapers in Yemen said the owner of the ass got mad after he saw the donkey attacking his animal, prompting him to chase the donkey and hit it.
The attack infuriated the donkey owner, who called his armed tribe men and asked them to take revenge.
“The problem snowballed into an armed fight between Makabis tribe, which owns the donkey, and Bani Abbas which owns the ass…15 people were either killed or injured in the battle,” the Saudi Arabic language daily Aleqtisadiah said, quoting newspapers in Yemen.
A large police force intervened and stopped the fighting at a village in the southwestern province of Abb, newspapers said, adding that police had arrested eight persons involved in the conflict. ]]
Tu Quoque and irrelevant. the topic does not address comparative religion. somehow you deduce it is. it isn't. the topic is whether koran contain sound, sane and rational and we who criticize it are not.
// Or just, may be, terrorism that the Sauds have spawned for decades is coming home to roost. So far Riyadh escaped the winds of Islamic extremism because it had managed to direct the extremist-Wahabbist impulses outward. No regime has been more responsible for spreading terror world-wide than the Sauds. This has been done through the Islamic charities that channel funds, especially to trusts in South Asia. The result is a profusion of Hafiz Saeeds frothing at their mouths and the various Lashkars active in Pakistan. In India, Saudi monies have incubated communalism by polarising previously peaceful societies, such as in Kerala. //
http://newindianexpress.com/opinion/article587034…
Avoid this West Asia drama
Pakistan’s existential crisis http://newindianexpress.com/opinion/article586299…
// Waheed has touched the heart of Pakistan’s identity crisis. The nationalism of Arabia, Turkey or Iran is not Islamic, because there is no Islamic nationalism as such. Islam in Pakistan’s nationalism is an alibi for anti-Indianism. Says the Hudson study, ‘Without an identity that is firmly anti-Indian, Pakistani leaders fear their country will be reabsorbed within a greater Indian identity’. That is the undivided India’s pre-Islamic cultural identity — the danger, Waheed sees, to ‘Islamic Pakistan’. That, however, may well be the life vest for ‘Pakistan’. An anti-India nation, Pakistan is now a failing state. //
If your faith is good enough, whatever anyone said about your religion wont affect u. If u get offended that much, theres a little bit of your brain and faith admit that the offender has the point. ms alisina reveal what shes thinking. Maybe inapropriate for some people, but replying by calling eachother animals name or stupid or else just shown that your faith is aint better than the other. Now lets see, which religion is too easily get offended while get insult? 🙂
Sorry for the bad grammar
LMFAO…It's time to test the IQ score of all these braindead zombies. Ms Ali Sina, do you know what's the antidote for human stupidity?
Okay. Good to know you value animal life as well as I do.
I agree with you 100%…….this cute donkey is way better and
more decent than thousands and thousands of humans.
The donkey in the above picture is really wiser than some higher mammals. It can read and study all the religious books to determine the absolute truth, unlike those braindead zombies. No wonder Ms Ali Sina commented that the donkey is a smart ass. 😉
Ali Sina in fact has honored donkeys by calling them as someone better than Muslims.
You are right. I apologize to all the donkeys. They are after cats my favorite animals. Well I have many favorite animals and donkeys are at the top of the list. They are truly noble animals. We used them and abused them for thousands of years. We beat them and enslaved them and mocked and ridiculed them. Among all animals humans are the most ungrateful and despicable. We abused every other creature and believed this is our god given right. We owe our civilization to these beautiful animals.
Please don't use animal photos to prove your point Mr.Sina.
Why should you insult donkeys? It's not their fault they're donkeys. We, humans harass, mistreat animals so much it doesn't make us human.
@Rainbow
You should follow this religion a.k.a Vedic reglion/ eternal religion/Universal religion/religion of God
Rigveda 10.161.2
– walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
– talk to each other to enhance knowledge, wisdom and affection without malice and hatred
– keep working together to enhance knowledge and bliss
– follow the path of truth and selflessness as exemplified by noble people
2. Yajurved 19.77
– All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
tharvaved 12.5.3
– One should use one’s own things and not steal from others
– One should ensure that everyone trusts each other completely. Trust cannot come without passion for truth and hence truth should be adhered to in all situations
– One should make greatest efforts to protect true knowledge, scholars and innocent people http://agniveer.com/religion-vedas/
Here is a story about a an actual case copied from http://www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/skn/SK_04.htm
Once I was visiting my village during holidays. Chanda Teli had a brawl with his wife and in anger he uttered thrice to his wife the word “talaq-talaq-talaq” (which are equal to three divorces in shariah law). You know his wife is an aged modest woman with grown up children. Chanda himself is also a very nice person. His talaq story got spread in the village like a jungle fire. When he cooled down, he was very much ashamed. He has adult sons and their wives living with him. Molvi Chiragh Deen (of Gherowal) was contacted for fatwa. He said this is an irrevocable talaq and halala is now obligatory. They asked him, “Mianjee what is this halala” ? He said, “Chanda’s wife has to marry another person with the condition that he should divorce her after spending one night in bed. Only then Chanda can re-marry his wife. This fatwa created a huge crisis in the family. His sons were infuriated with anger because they could not imagine seeing their mother being dishonored in her old age. They got so outrageous that they were even ready to kill their father Chanda, who was now hiding his face in shame and ignominy. His wife was even more in worst situation. In frustration she protested, ” What kind of this injunction of God is that she is being punished while this is the fault of Chanda ?
If one divorces his wife delivering three divorces at once in a word such as by saying: ‘You are divorced thrice’ or by repeating the word of divorce thrice such as ‘You are divorced, you are divorced, and you are divorced, his wife becomes completely separated from him. He can not bring her back to his conjugal life unless she marries another man and has sex with that man. After that if she got divorced from her second husband willingly then it is lawful for her previous husband to remarry her as a new wife completing all the marriage conditions. This is the opinion of the majority of the Muslim scholars. For more details please read the Fatwa:82330. http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=…
As any other thing in Islam Muslims interpret the clear and thoroughly explained Quran differently. Here is one mullah’s explanation of the question. http://www.islamawareness.net/Talaq/talaq_fatwa00…
However, let us take the interpretation of those who say uttering talaq in anger is invalid. But it is valid when it is said jokingly.
Let us even assume that uttering three times talq counts only as one divorce and three consecutive marriages and divorces should happen for this law to kick in. What is the wisdom of this stupid law anyway? Why the wife should sleep with another man before her husband could remarry her? This is the ultimate humiliation from the misogynist Allah for women.
Saudi Arabians must understand that all Muslims are brother. This gives sense of rich-poor syndrome between Saudi Arabians and Bangladeshi
Ali Sina and his usual tricks, Picks translations that echoes his misguided analysis and make his irrational points and then blames them on the Quran!
The several verses you mentioned concerning the clarity of the Quran, Ali sina also forgot or intentionally left out the verse that says, You need a good mind to understand the Quran as it promised, You craftily left that out, You pathetic homo sapiens, The verse says you need to have an open mind free from all manner of hate, a good mind. Not like yours, you look into the Qur'an to find faults, the verse 3:7 is meant for you! As a matter of fact,
Your last discuss was a very big lie, You have missed it hopelessly. God said if you divorce your wife the third time, where in the Quran does it say, 3 oral utterance??? Why do you mix falsehood and half truths to mislead people. A good advice to make sure the parents think very well before divorcing the third, That was a measure put in place. But Ali sina, just like the Hadith followers insert their understanding by claiming 3 oral utterances. Do not blaspheme the Quran, if your explanation is coming from hadith sources indicate it okay??? stop being a lair.
Although this video is disgusting and makes everybody hates
Saudi Arabia more and more, but I think that this Bangladishi
man is a jack ass. Is there a sane person curses a country
that he is a guest in? specially if this country is known for
its brutality.
Let that Saudi piece of sh-t come to America or Europe,
then we can see what he would do if the people curse
Saudi Arabia……..he will smile with pleasure and ask
them for more………Son of a bitch, bastard, he can only
show his courage to a poor helpless man.
They are lions when facing a weak person…
dogs when they come face to face with a strong one.
Can you tell me which religion is sound, sane and rational? is it
Christianity that says Jesus left his grave the third day and
flew up to heaven to join his father (God)? or Judaism and
the hocus pocus of Moses?
I have no religion, but if you manage to find a religion that
is sound and rational, I am ready to embrace it right now.