Does Black Magic Work?

Black Magic-

Resp. Ali Sina, Please explain the  reality of magic/black magic.  It cant be termed as only a delusion of eyes or tricks. I have seen magicians converting a boy into snake, bringing things from nowhere, reading even after blindfolded. Some years back in our village there were frequent incidents of spontanous fire in a house for about a week. All the neighbours were there for many days to look for the cause but were unable to find any thing. Then I watched a news from an Indian channel which showed similar things happening in a home in Punjab. How can be these and similar incidents explained. Seerat sources says that Mohammad was also attacked by black magic. Thanks

Magic and black magic are two different things. Magic is trick. It is for entertainment and the magician performs it with props.  If you are interested you can watch how magic is performed here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKE6rdOs8Pc

Black magic allegedly involves spirit force. It is performed by shamans and charlatans.  For example the so called miracles performed by Satya Sai Baba were all tricks.  It is pathetic that so many Indians have fallen for that con man. By this they only discredit their own religion, making one doubt the credibility of other Indian so called holy men  See this documentary made by CBC.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlL_CDqFCLg

This does not mean that all black magic are tricks. Black magic works and it can be very powerful. However, the power of the black magic does not reside in the “art” of the shaman but in the belief of the person on whom the black magic is performed.  If you believe in black magic and think it is done against you, it is a sure bet that you will get sick, or become involved in an accident or even die.  If however, you don’t believe in it, it has no effect on you.

Yes Muhammad believed in black magic.  A few years ago a Muslim invited me to a mubahila.  Mubahila is a form of black magic. Two parties invoke the curse of God on each other to determine which one of them lies. The one who lies supposedly dies.

Does mubahila work? Yes it does, but only on those who believe in it.  If one believes Muhammad to be a prophet of God and all the nonsense that he said in the Quran are the words of God, then if he lies and enters into a mubahila he  may be affected by it.  The invocation of the curse is powerless. It is the belief of the person that can cause him illness or even death. When this person invited me to mubahila, I told him to go ahead and invoke the curse of your Allah on me as much as you want.  He prayed for my death for 90 days.  This happened some six seven years ago and as you can see I am still around.  Mubahila is black magic, but it only works on those who believe in it.

The efficacy of black magic rests on the power of conviction.  Psychologists now use it to help their patients.  Hypnotherapy is extremely effective and in many cases can help the patient overcome their phobia and bad habits such as addictions and eating disorders, a lot faster than other conventional therapies.  In some cases the patient can overcome his or her phobia after one session.  Hypnosis can even be used as an anesthetic. The patient is led to believe that they don’t have any feeling on the area that the surgeon wants to perform the operation and they don’t.  This of course is not performed for major operations. You don’t want the patient to wake up when his belly is open.

In the 19th century, hypnosis was a sort of black magic. But since we know the science behind it, it is no longer considered as such and it has entered our life as another form of therapy.

All hypnotisms are self-hypnosis.  You must be willing to be hypnotized and cooperate with the practitioner hypnotist for it to work. If you don’t, the hypnotist can have no power over you.  The same is true in regards to black magic.  If you believe that black magic is going to affect you, it will and if you don’t believe in it, it has no power over you.  I would argue that the same is true in regards to miracles.

Let me share with you a little story about the power of belief.   One day Jesus was called by a man who begged him to come and touch his daughter who had died. He was sure that if Jesus does that his daughter will come back to life.  As Jesus followed this man another woman who suffered from bleeding for 12 years, tried to reach him, saying to herself, “only if I could touch his cloak I will be healed.”  As she did that, Jesus turned around and saw her. He told her, “Take heart daughter. Your faith has healed you.”

The woman was healed, not because Jesus did anything to her, but because she believed that by touching him she will be healed. Then he went to the house of that man and when he saw the girl lying in the bed, he said, “The girl is not dead, but asleep.” Some people laughed. He then went to the girl, took her by hand and she got up. As he went out and the news spread, two blind men followed him, calling out “Have mercy on us, Son of David!” Jesus stopped and said to the men, “Do you believe that I can do that?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied.  He then touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you.” And their sight was restored.

Whether you believe these miracles happened or not, the lesson in these stories is clear. It is our faith in the outcome that brings about the miracle. The woman who suffered from hemorrhoid, the father whose daughter had died, and the blind men, received their miracles because they believed. Prayers alone don’t work, unless they are accompanied by the belief that they are answered already. If you believe, you can receive miracles even from very evil souls.

There is no secret that Khomeni was a truly an evil man. In one day he ordered the execution of 3000 young girls and boys who dis liked his regime.  Yet, Muslims who went to his tomb and prayed claimed to have receive miraculous healing and resolution of their problems.  The power did  not come from Khomeini who must be burning in hell. It came from their belief. Such miracles of course are less reported lately since the truth about him has spread to most people and few are so stupid to go to his tomb seeking miracles.

If you believe a stone can do miracles, it will. Prayers and black magic work only if we believe in their power. I choose to believe in the power of prayer, because I know belief is very powerful and I would like to use it for my own betterment. However if someone gives the same amount of credence to black magic, he will be affected by it.  It is all in our head.  So why give this control to others? Why not use it for our own growth? In the above stories, it was not Jesus who performed those miracles. It was the faiths of those people who made the miracles happen.

Jesus thought us how to make miracles. Anyone can perform miracles. He said, “If you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what I do, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ it will happen.” This is how a true teacher teaches. What did Muhammad do? He spat on and rubbed his saliva on people’s ailments and said it will heal them.  Muhammad, Saty Sai Baba and all those who trick people like this are charlatans. Jesus did not do any such ridiculous thing. He taught us how miracles work and told how we can do them.  That is the difference between an enlightened teacher and a conman.

Our thoughts and convictions create reality.  If you trust in the outcome and keep up the hope, even in the face of setbacks, and don’t despair, but remain confident that you will be delivered somehow the forces of the universe get to work to make your faith come true.

As for spontaneous ignition a logical explanation is that some organic substances, such as hay, rice, oils, etc., increase their temperatures through oxidation and can spontaneously catch fire.

For more on this subject please see this article. http://www.waltersforensic.com/articles/fire_investigation/vol1-no17.htm

This logical explanation is far more convincing than believing that ghosts or black magic has been the culprit.

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186 Responses

  1. ODD GIRL says:

    dear slaveofprophet. and anyone who agree with this quranic do do mindset
    – you are a freak and your god is a freak! I cant believe in this day and age, you are uttering, believing and following such bull crap! are you actually listening to yourself? you are damning intelligent, wise and enlightened HUMAN BEINGS to hell? pleeeeaaaaase! give it a rest and your pathetic backward and disgusting religion a rest! AND TELL YOUR ALLAH TO GO AND HAVE A REST TOO! I think he needs a therapist FAST! your Muslim genes are from incest! did your Adam and eve have children? yes! and those children shagged each other and so forth and therefore your mankind was born! so what are you chatting? BAKWAS! absolute bakwaas! ancestry by perverse and disgusting deeds! and lets not forget all the pagan sacrificial stuff you did then AND still do now! you are pathetic and even having a conversation with you is a total waste! You don't even know the meaning of god, let alone who god is! ALL RELIGIONS ARE MANMADE IN LA LA LAND! GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WANT YOU AND NEED YOU! IN HELL!

  2. mayelin says:

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  3. ahsan says:

    How many of you believe in God ???

    If yes please dont let insult your religious authorities just because of personal hatered of followers.

    Jusus,Mohammad,and rest of all discussed are pious people and they done nothing bad to you guys but in my point of view you all are hurt to extremist acts of their followers but did nothing to you wrong so please dont go extreme side and stay with your logics and enjoy life every thing will be decided on jugment day or after your death .So some will be burnt due to their wrost logics,some were buried in earth apperently but actually in hell and very few with right logics followers will rest in peace but all will be decided after death .so please dont fight here wait for your turn.God bless all of them who live as per God insturctions and rest off all please find the right path at their own ,fighting dosent leads to haven every faith leader suggest best peace live so follow peace not voilence.

  4. Vijay says:

    It is the matter of research that the term Kala Ilam/Black knowledge in Urdu could be a knowledge of Pagan Arabs kept under secrecy. 

  5. Katarina says:

    The Abrahamic religions consist ot 3, not one. i.e. Judaism. Chritianity & Islam.

  6. Supriya says:

    SUMIT PAUL

    I don't believe in Abrahamic religion's concepts of God, Satan, hell,heaven.
    I believe in Advaitavad philosophy( non duality) of Hinduism. Advaitavad says there is fundamental entity called Brahman(God) which manifests Himself into the universe and He pervades everything, living and non living things. Interestingly this is the similar to what Modern Physics says – Everything is made up of same constituent particle and every particle is made up of waves.i.e. Everything is wave function and that is Brahman( God).

    Let me explain you : Before 20 th century scientists believed that the universe is made up of particle/matter/ rigid material.In the beginning of 20 th century Quantum theory and theory of relativity made scientists to believe that the universe is made up of fuzzy wavelike particles(at atomic and sub-atomic level) and large empty space( i.e. Brahman = Consciousness). The solid nature of matter we see around us is apparent. As one goes deeper, one keeps on finding vacuum( consciousness=Brahman) all the way. Therefore this whole universe is an illusion.In hinduism ,this illusion is named as Mithya. Thousands of years ago Adi Shankaracharya said " Brahman Satyam, Jagat Mithyam ". It means Brahman is the only truth ;the universe in which we are living is false and illusion.

    Dr. Sina also believes in Advaitavad (non duality) of Hinduism . Read his blog ' Enlightenment ' .

  7. knowTheEnemy says:

    I am afraid there are multiple flaws in your argument. It isn't belief in 'God' that is harmful, rather what it is that one believes about that God / supernatural power that is harmful. Human mind has a specialty that it can respond both to science and arts. Things of arts may or may not be scientifically correct/ true, but they impress, sometimes profoundly, the human mind. E.g. Horror movies and inspirational movies are both pieces of art. A skilled director can make a great horror movie that can scare the viewer very bad, even if the viewer is a top scientist! When the movie Jaws came out, for months people (Americans) wouldn't go to the beach! That is the 'supernatural' power of arts! If you liked sunbathing and you hadn't yet seen the movie, the seaside beaches were all yours to enjoy.;

    ["My ID can be displayed. I'm scared of NONE. "]

    If YOU had seen Jaws in 1975, even you wouldn't have dared come to a beach 😉

    God (or supernatural power) belongs in the realm or arts! Islam is like a horror movie directed by Satan himself, and its scared viewers have thoroughly submitted themselves into lifelong fear and slavery. Islam is indeed a curse on its believers (and non-believers!). I am not sure if I agree about other religions being a 'curse' on believers!
    —————————-

    ["Even Ali Sina, who condemns Islam and all religions, ….."]

    Ali does NOT condemn "all religions"! He only condems Islam and other religions/sects that trick people into doing evil things, or otherwise have people make their lives miserable.
    ———————–

    ["This shows the mental slavery of human beings that….."]

    It is not "mental slavery"; it is arts (mixed with science in Ali's case)! Ali has not turned his life into what someone may call a 'curse'. He cares about people (as is apparent from his writings) and is finding his own truth with an open mind! This is not even remotely a "mental slavery"!
    ——————

    ["…… that even the most refined and evolved people can't also rise above god and religion."]

    God and religion are two separate things. Religion is simply a set of rules that one lives by (or tries his best to live by). 'God' is not necessary for religion! For example, Buddhism is a 'religion' with no God!

    Or take the case of Jesus. There are lots of people who like the personality of Jesus and like what he did. They wouldn't even challenge the claim that Jesus was 'God' (or sent by God). However, lots of these Jesus admiring people do not like Christianity (a religion)! Hence, the wise thing to do is to differentiate between 'belief in God', and religion!
    ———————

    ["….. a concocted identity, called The Creator"]

    Not everyone believe in a "Creator". There are also people who believe in "The Do-er" (see Leela), or some other viewpoint.

  8. SUMIT PAUL says:

    Having read Ali Sina's fine analysis of how black magic works and the diverse comments of many  readers, I dare say, not only Islam but all man-made bogus faiths are curses to mankind. It's time, we relinquished our silly and irrational faith in all religions and a concocted identity, called The Creator. Even Ali Sina, who condemns Islam and all religions, has not been able to get rid of his inveterate belief in a supernatural power. This shows the mental slavery of human beings that even the most refined and evolved people can't also rise above god and religion. You need to be truly evolved to be so emancipated, which's not everyone's cup of tea.

  9. SUMIT PAUL says:

    Quran contains desert balderdash. Like scriptures of all faiths, it's rank useless for mankind. Remember, there's no god, satan, hell or heaven. These're mere concoctions of ill-evolved and terrified minds. Rise above god and religion and banish these banes that have shackled the mankind.

    -SUMIT PAUL, Poona ([email protected])

  10. SUMIT PAUL says:

    Having read Ali Sina's fine analysis of how black magic works and the diverse comments of many  readers, I dare say, not only Islam but all man-made bogus faiths are curses to mankind. It's time, we relinquished our silly and irrational faith in all religions and a concocted identity, called The Creator. Even Ali Sina, who condemns Islam and all religions, has not been able to get rid of his inveterate belief in a supernatural power. This shows the mental slavery of human beings that even the most refined and evolved people can't also rise above god and religion. You need to be truly evolved to be so emancipated, which's not everyone's cup of tea.

    -SUMIT PAUL, Poona ([email protected])……..My ID can be displayed. I'm scared of NONE.
      

  11. GeertW4President says:

    Mohammed gangster XD
    After all they start with same letter:

    Mohammed – Mafia – letter M

  12. GeertW4President says:

    Quran is boring.
    I've read some but, apart from insanity, iis not even a pleasant writing style.
    Even Stephanie Meyer is a better writer.

  13. GeertW4President says:

    What about using your own brain for once?

  14. GeertW4President says:

    In YOUR opinion, or in mohammed's opinion? Because you don't look like somebody with his own opinion.

    Quoting this:
    "More than 95% Pakistani & Afghanistan are not true Muslim ( I mean Arab decedents) they are most violent people of the world because they come from Hindu ancestor"
    Shows that you are also racist. Basing value of people on their bloodline is disgusting!

  15. Hope says:

    Interesting

  16. shaiva_hindu says:

    wow are you real…you are at the heights of stupidity faggot
    //only 3 marriages
    humanity dies a thousand times when a muslim like you is born.
    Should we ask ..
    how many children? have you yet started brainwashing them? what future do want your children to have?
    what do you think is the purpose of life,love,fellow humans,diversity,science?
    come back to reality slave you are trapped in a CYCLIC LOGIC CYCLE.

  17. shaiva_hindu says:

    shabeer why don't you use blogs and throw the links here .the content you copy/paste is equivalent to spamming.

  18. cchuckc says:

    @slaveofprophet,
    //Non-believers in Allah & Prophet can not be said innocent.//
    Exactly my point. So 3:21 can be extended to apply to any non-muslim as a muslim would deem fit.

  19. slaveofprophet says:

    @chuckc
    Non-believers in Allah & Prophet can not be said innocent. If they were/are innocent why prophet (PBUH) would fight thousands of war against so called innocent people. Innocent are only those people who are believers in Allah but get punished due to human misjudgment for the crime which they have not done against Islam.

  20. shabeer says:

    REQUEST TO ADMIN[ALISINA.ORG]

    I DON'T KNOW WHAT MATTER DELETING MY POST ,BUT ALLOWING THE NON MUSLIM POST ,IF U FAILED IN FRONT OF ISLAM ,PLZ DON'T DO THAT COWARDLINESS,BUT COURAGEOUSLY ACCEPT ISLAM , THE NO MUSLIM POSTER[DEMCSI/CHUCK] POST SOME ILLEGAL/HIDE THE TRUTH/INVALID COMMENT ABOUT THE ISLAM,I PROVED WITH EVIDENCE,OPEN ALL HIDEN TRUTH,ADMIN TRY TO STOP READING PEOPLE [MY POST],BEC'S ,THEY TRY TO SPREAD LIE,IF THEY UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH,THEY ACCEPT ISLAM,THAT WAY THEY DELETE MY POST,SINNA& GANGS ASK SEVERAL TIME "FREEDOM SPEACH",BUT THEY DENNY THE RIGHT OF OPPONENTS,IS IT MORAL? IDEAL?
    41:26. and those who disbelieve say: "Listen not to this Qur’an, and make noise in the midst of its (recitation) that you may overcome."
    47: 1. Those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Prophet
    Muhammad SAW ], and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (Islâmic Monotheism), He will render their deeds vain .
    47: 32. Verily, those who disbelieve, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (i.e. Islam), and oppose the Messenger ( SAW) (by standing against him and hurting him), after the guidance has been clearly shown to them, they will not hurt Allah in the least, but He will make their deeds fruitless,
    16: 90. Nay, but We have brought them the truth (Islâmic Monotheism), and verily, they (disbelievers) are liars

    83: 10. Woe, that Day, to those who deny [(Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection, and Al-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)].
    11. Those who deny the Day of Recompense.
    12. And none can deny it except every transgressor beyond bounds, (in disbelief, oppression and disobedience of Allâh, the sinner!)
    16. Then, verily they will indeed enter and taste the burning flame of Hell.
    87: 12. Who will enter the great Fire and made to taste its burning,
    13. Wherein he will neither die (to be in rest) nor live (a good living).
    88: 4. They will enter in the hot blazing Fire,
    5. They will be given to drink from a boiling spring,
    6. No food will there be for them but a poisonous thorny plant,
    7. Which will neither nourish nor avail against hunger.
    90: 19. But those who disbelieved in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they are those on the Left Hand (the dwellers of Hell).
    20. The Fire will be shut over them (i.e. they will be enveloped by the Fire without any opening or window or outlet.
    92: 14. Therefore I have warned you of a Fire blazing fiercely (Hell);
    15. None shall enter it save the most wretched,
    16. Who denies and turns away.

  21. cchuckc says:

    @Shabeer
    //1) my question to demsci about his claims,u r uninvited here, i think have no manners ,how to behave /treat it……………..uninvited guest has no right to asking question………………….is it u'r regular character,going all uninvited party??????????? //
    1. Demsci was responding to my comment against which you commented. SO doesn't what you say about being uninvited actually apply on you? So I return you your question, is it u'r regular character to go uninvited to the party? 🙂
    2. This is a public forum. Every person including infidels have every right to contribute. I am not sorry to inform you that You don't have an exclusive right to intrude and interfere.

    //THAT THE EVIDENCE FOR KILLING INNOCENCE PEOPLE ["WHO ORDERING JUST DEALING ,WHETHER MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM]//
    That isn't an evidence for not killing innocent people. I have asked you a very pertinent question which you decided to not answer. Is a person who denies that Muhammad was a prophet, or is an idolator or a polytheist, innocent?

    //3) LIAR CHUCK BRING THE COMPLETE SENTIENCE OF IBN KATHEER TRANSLATION HERE ,WHY R U HIDE SOME PART OF TRANSLATION ?//
    I brought in Kathir just to proof that Mo is here referring to the Jews. Do you disagree with that?

    //They also>>>>>>> killed many Prophets <<<<<<<<<<when they conveyed to them what Allah legislated for them, without cause or criminal behavior committed by these Prophets, for they only called them to the truth.
    And kill those men who order>>>>>>>>> just dealings<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
    thus, demonstrating the worst type of arrogance//
    At the very beginning Kathir makes it clear that he is referring to the Jews:-) Do you deny that?

    //#The only Abrahamic prophet one can think of is Jesus AGAIN GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY THE HISTORY http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_i…. //
    :-). You need a proper course in English. My statement started with "which Messengers have been killed by the Jews." It is in this context I said one can only think of Jesus, and even then that is wrong. The link you have given has nothing to do with this but with another Islamic lie about Ishmail.

    //JEW VIEWS OF MARRY/JESUS:FROM JEW HOLY SCRIPTURE TALMUD//
    //Sanhedrin 106a //
    //Shabbath 104b it is stated//
    //Sanhedrin 43a //
    //Christians in Hell: In the above passage punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages." (Talmud) //
    None of which proves that the Jews killed Jesus. The Jews had a rivalry with Jesus and it is not surprising if there are slanderous allegations against Jesus and his parents. But none of this proves that the Jews killed Jesus.

    //1 Thessalonians Chapter 2 14-16: //
    Unlike you I don't gloss through propaganda material but actually do deep studies. The general consensus among all scholars of Bible is that Thess, ch 2:13-16 are interpolations and not the words of St Paul. This is based on the fact that Paul himself says in 1 Cor 2:8 that Jesus was killed by rulers of this age. Also there is no historical evidence to suggest that the Jews persecuted the early Christians before the First Jewish War. What more Paul himself in Rom 11:26 says that all Israel will be saved. Since you don't seem to have read any scholarly thesis on Bible, you won't know of these. But if scholarship is something that you detest (or don't have the aptitude to study and understand) then please go through the gospel accounts of Herod and Pilate judging and condemning Jesus to death (even though Caiaphas, the Jewish priest, may have conspired to have him arrested in the first place).

  22. shabeer says:

    PROBLEM
    1) my question to demsci about his claims,u r uninvited here, i think have no manners ,how to behave /treat it……………..uninvited guest has no right to asking question………………….is it u'r regular character,going all uninvited party???????????
    2)  #How is it a prove of not killing innocents?
    3:21 Verily, those who disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah and >>>>>>kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings<<<<<<<<<, then announce to them a painful torment.
    that is its the advice for both for all ,that is killing both 1) prophet especially> 2) people who ordered just dealing is prohibited ,if u did it u have painful punishment………..THAT THE EVIDENCE FOR KILLING INNOCENCE PEOPLE ["WHO ORDERING JUST DEALING ,WHETHER MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM]……………………….
    3) LIAR CHUCK BRING THE COMPLETE SENTIENCE OF IBN KATHEER TRANSLATION HERE  ,WHY R U HIDE SOME PART OF TRANSLATION ?,THE SECOND SENTIENCE,LIKE THAT  >>>>
    [CHUCK HIDE PART]
    They also>>>>>>> killed many Prophets <<<<<<<<<<when they conveyed to them what Allah legislated for them, without cause or criminal behavior committed by these Prophets, for they only called them to the truth. 
    And kill those men who order>>>>>>>>> just dealings<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
    thus, demonstrating the worst type of arrogance.
    Indeed, the Prophet said, 
    KILLING PROPHET AND INNOCENT PEOPLE CHARACTER OF JEW……………….. .http://www.quran4u.com/tafsir%20ibn%20kathir/003%20Imran.htm
    #The only Abrahamic prophet one can think of is Jesus AGAIN GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY THE HISTORY http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaac_and_i
    #Jews didn't kill Jesus………..
    JEW VIEWS OF MARRY/JESUS:FROM JEW HOLY SCRIPTURE TALMUD
    Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men. 
    Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?–He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

    Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

    Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement." 
    Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged…Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?" 
     Jesus Crucified: As a "blasphemer." (Sanhedrin 46a; Jewish Encyclopedia) 
    Jesus Strangled: "He was lowered into dung up to his armpit, then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead." (Sanhedrin 52a; Repeated Sanhedrin 106b, verified by Jewish Encyclopedia)

     Jesus in Hell: Where His punishment is "boiling hot semen," Gittin 57a identified as Jesus in footnote to same, and in Jewish Encyclopedia under "Balaam."

     Christians in Hell: In the above passage punished by "boiling hot excrement" which is the punishment for all who mock "at the words of the sages." (Talmud) 
    A QUESTION REMAINING WHO KILLED JESUS?
    1 Thessalonians
    Chapter 2
    14-16:
    For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

  23. Ali Sina says:

    Okay. it was the belief of the people who healed them. That is what Jesus made clear. But Jesus himself was a believer in the power of God. So of course he could perform miracles. I don't believe in most of the Bible. Both the New and the Old Testaments are myths written by humans, Yet, I find in the stories and words of Jesus some truths that I don't think an ordinary man could know. He was something different. I am a rationalist. I rejected God because of it and I now believe in Him because of it. The difference between me and a religious person is that I have a very different understanding of God. Once day, if I can put that in writing I will write abut it. At this moment I can't.

  24. MovingFoward says:

    Wow Ali Sina, I loved what you wrote about the power of the mind. Yes the mind is a very powerful tool and in psychology those things are called the Placebo affect. I really liked the explanation you gave about the miracles of Jesus. I did not know it was the people who made those miracles happen, I always thought Jesus had powers on his hands. This blog really helped me calm down a lot for the exam I have tomorrow at University >.< I studied very hard but a part of me feared that I would not do well. I am going to think positive and truly believe in myself. I am glad I read this today. The part where you wrote, "What did Muhammad do? He spat on and rubbed his saliva on people’s ailments and said it will heal them". That made me laugh, It does sound ridiculous.

  25. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer
    //HOW MANY VERSES FROM QURAN AND HADETH SAYS KILLING OF INNOCENT HUMAN ALLOWED OR NOT //
    Do you think a person who has rejected Islam and finds it to be a ugly religion, or is an idolator is innocent?

    //quran:
    3:21,5: 32,6: 151,17: 33,25: 68 ,49: 6,49: 6,2:83,2:84,2:85,2: 86,5: 28,8: 72,9: 4,4: 90,8: 61,17: 31,60: 12. 6: 140,81: 8.,60:12 ,6: 151//
    Do you want me to go through the context of some of this or one is enough to expose your lie? Lets see Q 3:21 Verily, those who disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, then announce to them a painful torment.

    How is it a prove of not killing innocents? Moreover this Mo's way of chastising the Jews. The people being referred here are the Jews. Kathir says: This Ayah chastises the People of the Book for the transgression and prohibitions they committed by their denials in the past and more recent times, of Allah's Ayat and the Messengers. They did this due to their defiance and rejection of the Messengers, denial of the truth and refusal to follow it.
    Clearly Mo was miffed with these Jews who denied that he was a prophet. Also, it is interesting to note which Messengers have been killed by the Jews. The only Abrahamic prophet one can think of is Jesus. But Mo here is clearly disfiguring history since the Jews didn't kill Jesus, but the Romans did. Although it may be argued that many Jews didn't like Jesus, but also many did. The earliest followers of Jesus were all Jews called Judeo-Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Jews) . Either Mo/Allah didn't know this history or Mo was finding excuse to execute the Jews since they didn't consider him a prophet.

  26. cchuckc says:

    Thanks Demsci.

  27. Demsci says:

    //"SOME IMMORALPEOPLE ACTIVITIES CANNOT BE CONNECTED WITH ISLAM &nbsp;
    IDENTITY OF ISLAM IS QURAN /SUNNA,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT"//

    Shabeer, you make this point, DENYING THE BAD INFLUENCE OF ISLAM, &nbsp;then let me make my point in return: DENYING THE GOOD INFLUENCE OF ISLAM!

    I say: "some nice, moral people' s activities cannot be connected with Islam EITHER!!!
    Identity of Islam is Quran/ Sunna, please bring the evidence from it.

    You see, all your life you have been thinking that Islam has a great beneficial influence, as it was told to you. But we can tell you that that beneficial influence was doubtful. That it really was influence from, say, Hindus, Westerners, pagans even. And not from Islam or NOT ONLY from Islam.

    We can show you that so many infidels have the very same piety and do the very same good activities (and better) as the Muslims.

    So, here is the thing; if you deny Islam's bad influence, then we deny Islam's good influence! And when Islam has no influence that is not also found outside Islam, what good is Islam, and why did Allah bother to introduce it to mankind???

  28. Demsci says:

    Very well said, Chuck! It is a joy and privilege to read your concise, but precise, responses to Shabeer's propaganda.

    Indeed you have knowledge about Islam. And the issue you put before Shabeer was about some sort of ratio of, well, benevolent, positive verses about human values, as opposed to very negative mentioning non-believers in Islam and their fate in the afterlife and sometimes in this life.

    That ratio is negative, there is far more negative than positive in this Holy book. As was shown by Bill Warner. He presented the trilogy of Islam; Quran-Hadeeth-Sira. Apparently Hadeeth and Sira (autobiography of Mohammed) are the Sunnah Shabeer talks about. He showed precisely the percentage of hate speech in the whole trilogy. So when Shabeer quotes from Hadeeths-Sira for positive verses in there, we can counter with the many negative verses in there, as you mentioned. So it does not help him. Or comfort him, if he is an honest muslim, which he seems not to be.

    And yes, how can Muslims describe the quran as a holy book, based upon a few good passages, which obviously can be found in (m)any books, perhaps even in "mein kampf", whilst ignoring it's more numerous "negative verses"?

    Keep up the good work, Chuck!

  29. cchuckc says:

    //SO BRING THE VERSES WHAT ALLAH SAYS ABOUT THEM? //
    Aha. I see in describing this you are not mentioning the context of the verses. Who was the terrorist here? Here is what Kathir says on this:
    We will also mention a Hadith on this matter. Abu Ma`shar Al-Madani said that Muhammad bin Ka`b Al-Qurazi and several others said, "The Messenger of Allah sent Abu Bakr to lead the Hajj rituals on the ninth year (of Hijrah). He also sent `Ali bin Abi Talib with thirty or forty Ayat from Bara'ah (At-Tawbah), and he recited them to the people, giving the idolators four months during which they freely move about in the land. He recited these Ayat on the day of `Arafah (ninth of Dhul-Hijjah). The idolators were given twenty more days (till the end) of Dhul-Hijjah, Muharram, Safar, Rabi` Al-Awwal and ten days from Rabi` Ath-Thani. He proclaimed to them in their camping areas, `No Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after this year

    So it is the Muslims who were telling the idolators to forget following their ancient custom of performing Hajj PERMANENTLY.
    Kathir in 9:3 further explains (I found that you skipped this): So this was the declaration of innocence, whoever among the idolators had no treaty, then he had a treaty of peace for one year, if he had a particular treaty, then it was valid until its date of expiration.

    So this was imposed not only for those who had a treaty but also for those who didn't get into any treaty.
    No wonder while explaining 9:5, kathir says: In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said, (I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.)

    Against 9:6, Kathir quotes the following: When Musaylimah the Liar sent an emissary to the Messenger of Allah, he asked him, "Do you testify that Musaylimah is a messenger from Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' The Messenger of Allah said (I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed.) That man, Ibn An-Nawwahah, was later beheaded when `Abdullah bin Mas`ud was the governor of Al-Kufah. When it became known that he still testified that Musaylimah was a messenger from Allah, Ibn Mas`ud summoned him and said to him, "You are not delivering a message now!''

    So even 9:6 isn't for safe passage for idolators but only holding back killing them until the time that they are no more delivering a message (emissary). Further explanation from Kathir himself:
    In summary, those who come from a land at war with Muslims to the area of Islam, delivering a message, for business transactions, to negotiate a peace treaty, to pay the Jizyah, to offer an end to hostilities, and so forth, and request safe passage from Muslim leaders or their deputies, should be granted safe passage, as long as they remain in Muslim areas, until they go back to their land and sanctuary

  30. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer

    //DEBATE WITH CCHUCK OVER HERE ,HE SAYS 20 MORE EVIDENCE,FOR THE PROOF,WITH QURAN & HADEETH I GIVE HIM MORE THAN 30+//
    I have very clearly set my criteria. You gave 20 Quranic verses for punishments for infidels and I asked half as many for three human values. Just agree that you can't produce that many from Quran. As far as hadeeths are concerned there are hundreds which speak evil of the infidels. You didn't bring them then why bring hadeeths now?

    //I EVER SEE IN MY LIFE A FOOLISH NON MUSLIM[DEBATER] MORE THAN HIM,BEC'S OF TWO REASON 1) NO ONE SAYS TO ME BRING THE EVIDENCE ONLY FROM QURAN ONLY 2) 20 EVIDENCE NEEDED FOR THE PROOF[IT IS BROKEN THE PEAK OF IGNORANCE/MADNESS]//
    Very simple. You were given a yardstick to measure the goodness of Quran. And you failed, rather Quran failed.

    //NOW I KNOW WHY NON MUSLIM DEBATER ALWAYS,BEHAVE LIKE A LOSERS/COWARDS ,BEC'S IN FRONT OF QURANIC VERSES //
    Which Quranic verses? I asked for 10 each for three values, you brought 7. Are you talking about these verses? Anybody can utter a piece or two 'good' sermons. What matters is the consistency across the book. For example Quran consistently, verse after damned verse praises Allah and Muhammad and threats infidels with hellfire and whatnot. You can claim therefore that Quran is book of Allah's and Muhammad's praise. I won't contest that claim. But when you could bring only 7 verses (some of doubtful context) for 3 very basic human values then off-course you can't claim that the book is a holy one.

    //OH! ALLHA GIVE THEM TO KNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY R TALKING ABOUT//
    Don't worry Allah has already given us that knowledge with which we can see through the Islamic lies.

  31. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer
    //Adultery with slave girl prohibited, stone death punishment: //
    Let me catch your lies.
    //Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4201 //
    It is adultery to have sex with other's slave not his own.

    //Muslim :: Book 37 : Hadith 6676 //
    :-). This one tells you what a fool Muhammad was. First he decided to kill another person simply because he heard that he has fornicated with one of Mo's sex slaves. Two, it was later found that the person had no sexual organs at all!!
    So again a wrong example, first it is about sex with others' slave and second it shows that Mo didn't even care to find out the truth.

    //Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6856//
    Doesn't speak of any prohibition of having sex with own slaves.

    //Slave sex prohibited:
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 506//
    This is same as Book 008, Number 3371
    It clearly shows that the muslim wanted to have sex and then sell the women for money or ransom them. They asked Muhammad not about releasing these women or not having sex with them. Muhammad didn't stop his men from doing any of these either. They were simply asking whether they should do coitus interruptus (azl) with them that is enjoy sex without the risk of impregnating them. And Muhammad simply told them that they needn't worry about it and may go the whole way!!! Thats Muhammad for you and thats Islam for you. You were foolish to bring this hadeeth.

  32. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer
    //HOW CAN THE ABOVE VERSES VALID EVIDENCE FOR SLAVE TRADE ……….BROTHER R U DRUNKEN? //
    No no, you are drunk and blind too. How can this verse refer to having sex with slaves if people didn't have slaves in the first place?? It is clearly an incentive for a muslim to trade slaves, especially women, or keep war captive. Your unholy Quran permits these muslim to have sex with slaves even married women. Muhammad himself had 40 odd concubines.

    //SLAVE SEX PROHIBITED//
    Read again Q 4:24, sex with slaves is allowed.

  33. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer

    //20 TIME 200 TIMES IS NOT A VALID WAY OF ANSWERING ,ONE IS ENOUGH//
    Spoken like a true loser. I have set a criteria, your quran failed that criteria. Thats all that matters. If one is enough then Q 9:5 is enough to prove that Quran is a filthy book.

    //,SUPPOSE CONSIDER A FOOLISH JUDGE SAYS,I NEED 200 PERSON EVIDENCE FOR HIS PUNISHMENT //
    Islam prescribes 4 witnesses as evidence for rape claim by a female victim. So you therefore should say that Islamic law, Sharia, is a foolish system. Right?

    //IBN KATHEER EVER SAYS IT ABROGATED FROM HIS THAFSEER//
    :-). You are either not well read in Islam or simply lying. I think the later. Here is what Kathir says in his tafisr of 9:5

    This honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, "It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term.'' Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas commented: "No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah was revealed.

    You understand that it abrogates every peaceful sura, 6:108 included!!

  34. Demsci says:

    //"EXCEPT [email protected] ,OTHER RELIGION EVER PROHIBITED KILLING WOMEN/CHILDREN"//

    But Shabeer. the Jews and Christians say that these commands were DESCRIPTIVE, but that they are NO LONGER PRESCRIPTIVE. Meaning, these commands were only valid in their time, but nowadays clearly not.

    Will you then argue that many laws, commands, suggestions of the Quran-Hadiths-Sira ALSO are only DESCRIPTIVE and no longer PRESCRIPTIVE? But that means that much of the Quran-Hadiths-Sira are no longer, you know, valid for today.

    A remark about the time-frame; The above commands to kill were issued perhaps 1400 or 1200 BC. Islam came about through the person of Mohammed, who is said to have lived from 570 to 632 AD. So why do you compare scriptures and divine commands who are at least 1800 years apart from each other? Don't you think that it is to be expected that humans became more civilized and merciful over time? Don't you think that the influence of Jesus and Christianity had anything to do with the difference in civilized behavior? In a way Mohammed EMULATED the Christians didn't he?

  35. ihateislam says:

    Slave mentality,
    You were married to a woman who is 25 years older than you? I now understand better how you arrive at your very weird ideas. Since marrying women old enough to be your mothers is enshrined in muhammadanism as handed down by your prophet, why have you separated from your matron of a wife? Your prophet did not set that example even though he let Khadijjah die of heartbreak by wrecking her business.

  36. shabeer says:

    In giving birth to the child of the master, the slave woman becomes entitled to new rights. Thenceforth, the master has no right to sell her. She becomes the mother of her master’s children. These children, too, become entitled to all the rights and privileges enjoyed by the master’s other children. Islam disagrees with the Jewish stand that the children born through a slave woman has none of the rights that accrue from the position of fathership. These children are, in all respects, his own children. There is to be no discrimination of any kind between them and the other children.

    With the death of the master, the slave woman, who is the mother of his children, becomes a free woman. She is then protected by her own children. They, too, like the other children, will becomes entitled to a share in their father’s inheritance.

    The permission to accept slave women as one’s life-partner was, in fact, a provision which would, in the course of one generation, cut out the very root of slavery. In reality, therefore, the permission granted for having relations with slave women was one among the many unique steps taken by Islam in practically eradicating slavery. Indeed, that was exactly what transpired in the Islamic world.

    It is not possible to equate the permission given for having relations with slave women to adultery. Both cases stand at two opposing poles. One is the case of the woman who lives under her master enjoying the protection that he confers upon her. It is a relationship in which he fully agrees to take up the responsibilities that may accrue as a product of that relationship. It is a relationship in which her personality, beyond the contours defined by sex, is accorded full recognition. It is a relationship which opens to her the door to freedom. As for the second, it is nothing but an irresponsible relationship with a prostitute. The prostitute is, in fact, much worser off than the slave woman. For, she is nothing more than a soul less animal. Her function is restricted solely to the gratification of the animal passions of man. There is not even a grain of love and compssion in that relationship. Not the slightest touch of personal fulfillment even. It is but a transaction made solely for money. Flesh trade! The man who comes for the satisfaction of the desire of his flesh is never prepared to take up the responsibility that may accrue from it. He has no obligation towards her. She is only an animal destined to satisfy the desire of his flesh. Each one of her relationships will serve only to immerse her even deeper into the mire that is the inhumanity of prostitution. Even the very dream of freedom will be alien to her. She is one doomed to embrace the loneliness of orphanhood when in a diseased state, with her skin withered and faded, she ends up being the object of nobody’s concern.

    What, then, of the tradition which lays open, before the slave, the very door to freedom? And what of the rottings system which drives the woman from one dependence to the other? Any comparison, whatsoever, between these two is impossible. Two systems that stand at two opposing and extreme poles. One recognized by benign humanism, the other which leads to the depredation of beastiality.

  37. shabeer says:

    @Steadyfriend
    #the bearded Bangladeshi/Pakistani ones) visiting parlours for sex in Bangkok,
    SOME IMMORALPEOPLE ACTIVITIES CANNOT BE CONNECTED WITH ISLAM 
    IDENTITY OF ISLAM IS QURAN /SUNNA,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT
    Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3 
    Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet." 
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 415 
    Narrated Humaid: 
    I heard Muawiya bin Abi Sufyan delivering a sermon. He said, "I heard the Prophet saying, "If Allah wants to do a favor to somebody, He bestows on him, the gift of understanding the Quran and Sunna. I am but a distributor, and Allah is the Giver. The state of this nation will remain good till the Hour is established, or till Allah's Order comes." 
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 120 
    Narrated Tariq: 
    'Abdullah said, "The best talk is Allah's Book (Qur'an), and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad." 
    49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

    #muslims are allowed to have sex with their "right hand possessions";
    The situation that prevailed in all societies where the institution of slavery existed was such that slave women were used at will and were employed to gain economic advantage by inciting them towards prostitution. As for Islam, it provided for a facility which would, in the course of one generation, bring an end to the system through the slave women themselves.

    The slave woman is the property of the master. However, the master has no right, whatsoever, to incite her towards adultery. Like the male slaves, the female slaves, too, have rights of their own. It is the duty of the master to provide her with food, shelter, clothes and other necessities. Moreover, the Quran has asked the owner to make the necessary arrangements for her marriage as well (Quran 24:32).

    This, in effect, means that the Quran has prompted the owner towards having sexual relations with an unmarried female slave. This permission is however restricted to the owner alone. None elseis allowed to use her in this fashion even if it be with the permission of the master!

  38. shabeer says:

    #4:24. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; ….
    HOW CAN THE ABOVE VERSES VALID EVIDENCE FOR SLAVE TRADE ……….BROTHER R U DRUNKEN? WHAT THE MEANING OF  "TRADE"? PLZ TAKE THE DICTIONARY SEARCH IT,U'R CLAIM WAS ISLAM SUPPORT THE SLAVE " TRADE",OK THEN U BRING THE EVIDENCE THAT, THE PROPHET SELL NUMBER OF SLAVE DURING HIS LIFE TIME ,HE HAS SLAVE MARKET,ACCOUNTANT,ETC…….THE VERSES SAYS NOT FOR SLAVE TRADE……………
    SLAVE SEX PROHIBITED:
    Sex with slave act of ignorance:
    Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6856 
    ……Qatada said: Abu Abdullah, would this happen? Thereupon he said: Yes. By Allah, I found this in the days of ignorance that a person grazed the goat of a tribe and did not find anyone but their slave-girl (and he did not spare her) but committed adultery with her.
    Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4554 
    It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21 
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 
    The Prophet said, "The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody's blood without any right." 

    Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.16.14 
    Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab that Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan gave a judgment that the rapist had to pay the raped woman her bride-price. 
    Yahya said that he heard Malik say, "What is done in our community about the man who rapes a woman, virgin or non-virgin, if she is free, is that he must pay the bride-price of the like of her. If she is a slave, he must pay what he has diminished of her worth. 
    Slave illegal sexual intercourse /adultery prohibited:/blame prohibited even sinner /
    4:24,70:30
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 435, 436, 362 ,363
    Muslim :: Book 17 : Hadith 4219,4221, 4224
    Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.2.13

  39. shabeer says:

    #Westerners who finally led mankind to get rid of slavery……………….THEY BEGIN THE TRADE SLAVERY ,MY LAST POST ,I PROVED…….ACTUALLY ISLAM THE TRUE RELIGION OF GOD BEGGING THE "COMPLETE WAY OF LIBERATION OF SLAVERY ",ITS NOT JUST DIALOGUE…..I HAVE PROOF:
    1400 YEARS AGO PROPHET SAYS ABOUT SLAVE GIRL ( REMEMBER THAT ,NO UNIVERSITY THERE ,NO SOCIAL REFORMER,NO EDUCATION,A COMPLETE DARK AGE PEOPLE]  
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 255
     ,Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 655,
     Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 720,
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 723 ,
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3327 , 3327, Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 285 
    Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: 
    Allah's Apostle said, "If a person teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly, and then manumits and marries her, he will get a double reward. And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. And if a slave fears his Lord (i.e. Allah) and obeys his masters, he too will get a double reward." 
    UNDER LINE THE WORDS " teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly"
    14 TH CENTURY A HUMAN TALKING ABOUT THE EDUCATION & LIBERATION OF SLAVE GIRL ,DURING THE 18TH CENTURY U'R EUROPEAN DISCUSS ABOUT THE SUBJECT " WHETHER WOMEN[FREED] HAS SOUL OR NOT????
    ITS NOT EQUAL EVEN,A COMPARISON ,ISLAM & WEST
    It has been as an introduction to the study of the Qur'an’s vision
    on slavery as well as its approach towards it that the origins and history
    of the said tradition has been dealt with in detail. Instead of an
    impractical and unscientific approach whereby a centuries-old
    institution was sought to be abolished by a single declaration, Islam
    developed and implemented a very practicable system of eliminating
    slavery.
    In this context, if the sheer practicability of Islam’s line of action
    is to be fully appreciated, we will have to understand the very psychology
    of the slave as well. There exists a vast difference between the mindset
    of the slave and that of the free man. In the formation of the mindset
    of the slave, a life of continual slavery exerts a very great influence
    indeed. As a result of carrying the yoke of slavery upon himself for
    generations, the habits of obedience and submission will have become
    deep-rooted within his mind. He is, as such, incapable of executing
    tasks on his own or taking up any responsibility. His mind, however, is
    ever ready to take upon his head any command of the master and
    knows, moreover, to carry forward all matters according to his master’s
    wishes. Neverthless, he is able only to obey and execute orders. His
    mind will be incapacitated in taking up responsiblities. His mind can, in
    no wise, be so burdened. He is only able to flee from taking up
    responsibilities. However, he will always be ready to take upon his
    head whatever it is that the master commands.
    The psychology of the slave and the master is located at two
    opposite poles or extremes. If one is that of arrogance, the other will be
    that of meekness. The example of America is, in itself, the best case in
    point to show that the emancipation of slaves that is not based on an
    approach whereby these mindsets, which are located at opposite poles,
    are first brought together on to the same plane, will never be emancipation
    at all. It was through the activism of Abraham Lincoln that, through a
    single proclamation, the slaves in America achieved freedom one fine
    morning! But what was it that actually happened there? The slaves who
    ultimately recieved their freedom were, however, unable to bear the
    ‘burden’ of this freedom. They looked around, not quite knowing what
    it was that they were to do. Since there was none to command them
    now, they were unable to do anything at all. Indeed, they returned back
    to their masters and actually asked them to take them back as slaves.
    Here, it is seen that it is futile to physically set free those who are
    psychologically unprepared for that freedom.
    The Qur'an, which has been revealed by God who is fully aware
    of the physical and mental states of human beings, has provided a
    completely practical code of action. The system of slavery was one of
    the pillars of the economic set-up of Arabia. It’s roots had penetrated
    much deeper than to enable its eradication by a mere order of
    prohibition. As a system that had prevailed in the regions where Islam
    flourished as well as in areas where it did not, not only would it be
    practically difficult to abolish it, but such a course of action would,
    far from being effective, be quite harmful, indeed. It was, therefore,
    that Allah, who is most aware of the nature of human society, contrary
    to bringing a law that would completely abolish slavery, accepted a
    practical code of action for its eradication.
    MORE… .http://www.nicheoftruth.org/pages/the_quran_and_slavery.htm

  40. shabeer says:

    IF U HAVE COURAGE LIKE THAT PROVE ONLY ' ONE '.,HERE ……THEN TALK THE DIALOGUE…..

  41. shabeer says:

    ISLAMIC LAW ABOUT U'R SUBJECT ANSWERED WITH QURANIC /SUNNA EVIDENCE ……..20 TIME 200 TIMES IS NOT A VALID WAY OF ANSWERING ,ONE IS ENOUGH………..
    EX) A MAN KILLED A PERSON,ONE TRUSTFUL WITNESS ENOUGH FOR HIS PUNISHMENT,SUPPOSE CONSIDER A FOOLISH JUDGE SAYS,I NEED 200 PERSON EVIDENCE FOR HIS PUNISHMENT ,WESEND HIM METAL TREATMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ,IS IT?
    #Abrogation is prescribed in Quran itself………….THAT NOT INVENTION OF SINNA GANGS ,PROOF NEEDED ,FOR  6:108 is abrogated by 9:5
    IBN KATHEER EVER SAYS IT ABROGATED FROM HIS THAFSEER…….. 

  42. shabeer says:

    BROTHER SOME PEOPLE politician ACTIVITIES NOT connected with ISLAM,Islamic law ,deal with moral rule for all society, 

  43. shabeer says:

    eror 1:Nowadays that will get you nowhere with human rights groups
    EXCEPT [email protected] ,OTHER RELIGION EVER PROHIBITED KILLING WOMEN/CHILDREN
    EX) 1 Samuel 15:3,8
    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
    Deuteronomy 3:3-6

    So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)
    #Alive they were worth more to him and his men…….
    A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME TO FIGHT WITH MUSLIM ,PROTECTING THEIR CHILDREN/WOMEN IS ''''WORTH'''''??????

  44. Demsci says:

    //"IS ANY SENSUAL HUMAN SAYS ITS A RULE OF MUSLIM WOMEN????????????????"//

    Well, you only said: //"Women/children killing prohibited"// so I assumed you were talking about ALL WOMEN, Muslima's included. But now I see you meant that in war the Muslims were forbidden by Mohammed to kill the women and children of the infidels with whom they were at war.

    Nowadays that will get you nowhere with human rights groups. Because it is wrong to not forbid also the killing of non-fighting men. and to not forbid capturing, raping, enslaving those women and children. It makes these rules totally meaningless now. Only fit for historybooks, not law.

    Anyway, it also looks like the PROPHET was thinking of PROPHIT when he forbade the killing of innocent women and children. Alive they were worth more to him and his men.

  45. Divine Wind says:

    Real babarians' teachings. Always talk about killings, booty and spoils.

  46. steadyfriend says:

    Dear KLMNOP,

    Dr. Sina says precisely that! Anyone who reads the Quran, the Sahih Hadiths and the Sira with an open mind will leave Islam. For a thinking person, the seeds of giving up Islam are embedded in these literatures!

  47. steadyfriend says:

    Shabeer,
    you write
    "Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10 
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person."

    …… but they can be enslaved as Mo and his followers did in Arabia or muslim marauders did when attacking India. After enslavement, the females can be screwed at will!
    —————————

    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10 
    Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.

    …… but Mo did precisely that to trees owned by a Jewish tribe and thereafter attacking them unannounced, slaughtered many and enslaving the rest. Screwing Jewesses followed thereafter. Mo's examples stink! He was some "insaan el-kamil"!

    btw, the Book of Malik you quote from is not even a 'Sahih Hadith', of which there are only two, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. So, in reality, Mo was worse than depicted in this doubtful Hadith.

  48. steadyfriend says:

    Shabeer,
    Despite all you have written, muslims are allowed to have sex with their "right hand possessions"; Mo did it with Maryam. This cannot be right whichever way you look at it. It demeans females and deprives them of their human rights. Modern day muslims have extended the definition of "right hand possessions" to include all non-muslim females, hence the mullahs (esp. the bearded Bangladeshi/Pakistani ones) visiting parlours for sex in Bangkok, muslims raping Hindu women given half a chance in India and Bangladesh and muslim youth raping Swedish women among others! …… if only Mo had established half the values espoused by Buddha and Jesus! Mo sucks!

  49. cchuckc says:

    @Shabeer
    //BEFORE CLAIM FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY WHO BEGIN/ESTABLISHED SLAVE TRADE ,THEN COME TO DEBATE WITH MUSLIM//
    My dear Shabeer when will you stop your porcine behaviour?

    //1) U NEVER BRING A VERSES FROM QURAN/SUNNA FOR THE SLAVE TRADE ……..PLZ BRING IT IF U CAN//
    Quran 4:24, clearly references "Ma malakat aymanukum". What were they? It clearly allows a muslim man to indulge in sex with a slave woman, EVEN IF SHE IS MARRIED

    Hadeeth/Sunnah: Shahi Muslim The following hadeeth proves that Mo had no problem with taking slaves and trading them for ransom. He also allows them to be sexually exploited before being returned/sold.
    Book 008, Number 3371:
    Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's
    Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out
    with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took
    captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of
    our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse
    with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of
    semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst
    us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does
    not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be
    born.

    / /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

  50. Demsci says:

    Well, Shabeer, what of it? When civilization began, slavery also began. Because civilization began with the first city, maybe 3500 BC. and before there were cities, humans did not live in big numbers and may not have had the need for slaves.

    Any way, it seems that slavery was pretty much EVERYWHERE in civilised cities and countries. Logical, because mankind seemed to need cheap labor a lot and there was a lot of war, so there were many captives who became slaves.

    But it were the Westerners who finally led mankind to get rid of slavery, as can be shown well enough if reguired, and NOT the Muslims. Who never ever abolished slavery in their entire history.&nbsp; That is, before the Westerners did it first.

    It is really the pot calling the kettle black if Muslims continue to badmouth the whites for slavery only, while for many centuries the Muslims were among the most ardent slavekeepers, -traders, -catchers (in Africa, but also in Europe!).

    Whites and Muslims should agree on a shared guilt and a draw on the subject of slavery. And acknowledge that all powerful people had slaves, in over 5000 years. And the Westerners were the first to abolish!

  51. Demsci says:

     //"[REMEMBER THAT 1% ENOUGH FOR WIN"//

    True! But for Ali Sina and us!!! YOU REMEMBER; The Quran can only be delivered literally by God if it is FAULTLESS, something that it claims to be, doesn't it? And something that YOU claim.

    So if even 1 % of the Quran is proven to be faulty, the Islamic myth of literal Divine Origine of the Quran is SHATTERED!

    And Long since lists of faults in the Quran have been shown on the internet, all over the place.

    It is YOU who is incapable of answering every charge of faults in the Quran. And your tactic thus is to only address the issues you feel comfortable about while ignoring 50 to 90 % of the faultcharges against the Quran, thus it is YOU who is tacitly admitting that Quran DOES HAVE FAULTS.

    Remember, what is a fault of a human (like Chuck)? Normal; No problem. But a fault of God?! Impossible! So the conclusion after finding even one fault in the Quran that it is NOT literally from God. And YOU lose.

  52. Demsci says:

    //"I request all to study about islam properly."//

    First of all, Ali Sina and many posters already HAVE studied and the apostates among them even have LIVED in Islam. It is just an assumption of you that those you see writing and posting did NOT study Islam properly. It is downright arrogant of you to suggest that it is the people here who don't know Islam, when it is also abundantly clear that Millions of Muslims do not know or understand Islam very well.

    Second of all. On this website and other websites there is constant reference to what influential learned Islamic teachers themselves say!!! In past and present. How much better sources for Islam do you want?

    And often the literal texts of the Quran-Hadiths-Sira is shown here AND THE CONTEXT discussed. Often MEMRI-TV-broadcasts are shown with in them important and influential Islamic leaders and clerics coming to EXACTLY the same explanations and conclusions of texts of Quran-Hadiths-Sira as this and other counterjihadist websites.

    With the only difference of course that the Islamic leaders and clerics are PRO the practice of Islam and the counterjihadists CONTRA.

    They are contra because of the danger of Islam to Democracy and the other stifling negative influence of Islam to their ways of thinking which are in honest competition with Islam for the hearts and minds of young Muslims.

    Third, writers and posters have of course very properly studied their own religions or ways of life, and political systems. Which are in competition with Islam.

    And they have of course no WISH OR NEED to study Islam. It is enough for them to be aware of the danger and negative influence of Islam, which they want to defend themselves against and which they want to overcome in honest competition if possible.

  53. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer,
    //error 1: last post i say ' only one ' enough for the replay,that is quranic verses enough//
    No my dear. In my first post I had made my condition clear: I see you have listed 18 verses above and another 20 verses below for what infidels are going to suffer. Lets see if your quran can have even half as many verses for the 3 values I have listed above.
    So what is half of 20? 10. So all you were asked to bring were 10 verses each for three very basic human values. You failed.

    //who tech u Islamic fundamentals ??????????? my previous post,i include some quranic verses for the sunna to be part of the Islamic law: //
    Sunna = Hadeeth. I only asked for Quranic verses. Just admit that your Quran couldn't meet the criteria. Why beat around the bush? As I said, neither I nor you quoted anything from hadeeth when talking about punishment for the infidels (There are many actually).

    //that enough for how sunna importance to Islamic fundamentals.//
    May be. I know Quran can't walk without Sunnah. It is as lame as a sitting dodo without it. But that wasn't the criteria. So you accept that Quran, the divine book of the Muslims doesn't meet the challenge I had set. Thank you.

    //6:108 is abrogated by 9:5…………………….[who invented the abrogation???? ali sinna ?????? brother ,the quranic verses revealed almighty allha ,even prophet has no rights to abrogate the verses//
    Abrogation is prescribed in Quran itself. Naskh (Mansukh and Nasikh) is purely an Islamic concept, not an invention of non-muslims. If you don't know about these then what can I do? Do you even know what naskh al-hukm dūna al-tilāwa is? You are simply lying.

    Moreover I explained why 6:108 isn't acceptable quoting the Tafsir of Kathir. The intention of it is not to respect others religion but to protect Allah from being ridiculed by others in the face of criticism. What more you couldn't even explain why if 6:108 is true Mo and his goons (Omar and Ali) broke all the idols in Kabba and elsewhere in Arabia?

    And even if I consider it in all you could bring so far are 8 verses in a work composed of almost 7000 verses. Not even 30% of what I challenged you to bring:-). PATHETIC (But we already knew it).

  54. end-of-islam says:

    @shabeer
    May I ask the name of school where your son studies? [ Is it Madarsa where children are brain washed? Do you wish your son to become Muhammad Ajamal Kasab( pakistani terrorist involved in 26/11, Mumbai islamic jihad attack).]

  55. shabeer says:

    BEFORE CLAIM FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY WHO BEGIN/ESTABLISHED SLAVE TRADE ,THEN COME TO DEBATE WITH MUSLIM:
    1) U NEVER BRING A VERSES FROM QURAN/SUNNA FOR THE SLAVE TRADE ……..PLZ BRING IT IF U CAN………..

    2) WHO ARE SLAVE TRADERS?
    he Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade took place across the Atlantic Ocean from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of those enslaved that were transported to the New World were West Africans from the central and western parts of the continent, sold by West Africans to Western European slave traders, or by direct European capture to the Americas. The numbers were so great that Africans who came by way of the slave trade became the most numerous Old-World immigrants in both North and South America before the late 18th century.[1] Far more slaves were taken to South America than to the north. The South Atlantic economic system centered on producing commodity crops, and making goods and clothing to sell in Europe, and increasing the numbers of African slaves brought to the New World. This was crucial to those European countries which, in the late seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, were vying with each other to create overseas empires.[2]The Portuguese were the first to engage in the New World slave trade in the 16th century, and others soon followed. Ship owners considered the slaves as cargo to be transported to the Americas as quickly and cheaply as possible,[2] there to be sold to labour in coffee, tobacco, cocoa, sugar and cotton plantations, gold and silver mines, rice fields, construction industry, cutting timber for ships, in skilled labour, and as domestic servants. The first Africans imported to the English colonies were classified as "indentured servants," like workers coming from England, and also, "apprentices for life". By the middle of the 17th century, slavery had hardened as a racial caste; they and their offspring were legally the property of their owners, and children born to slave mothers were slaves. As property, the people were considered merchandise or units of labour, and were sold at markets with other goods and services.The Atlantic slave traders, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch Empire, and the United States. They had established outposts on the African coast where they purchased slaves from local African tribal leaders.[3] Current estimates are that about 12 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic,[4] although the number purchased by the traders is considerably higher.[5][6][7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
     1.Curtin, Philip (1969). The Atlantic Slave Trade. The University Of Wisconsin Press. pp. 1–58.^ Jump up to: a b Mannix, Daniel (1962). Black Cargoes. The Viking Press. pp. Introduction–1–5.Jump up ^ Klein, Herbert S. and Jacob Klein. The Atlantic Slave Trade. Cambridge University Press, 1999, pp. 103–139.Jump up ^ Ronald Segal, The Black Diaspora: Five Centuries of the Black Experience Outside Africa (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1995), ISBN 0-374-11396-3, p. 4. "It is now estimated that 11,863,000 slaves were shipped across the Atlantic. [Note in original: Paul E. Lovejoy, "The Impact of the Atlantic Slave Trade on Africa: A Review of the Literature", in Journal of African History 30 (1989), p. 368.]"Jump up ^ Eltis, David and Richardson, David. The Numbers Game. In: Northrup, David: The Atlantic Slave Trade, 2nd edition, Houghton Mifflin Co., 2002, p. 95.Jump up ^ Basil Davidson. The African Slave Trade.Jump up ^ "African Holocaust How Many". 

  56. shabeer says:

    #Only 7 on 3 humane topics from Quran!!……………………..
    error 1: last post i say ' only one ' enough for the replay,that is quranic verses enough ……………………..
    #Only Quran is considered to be from Allah………………………..
    who tech u Islamic fundamentals ??????????? my previous post,i include some quranic verses for the sunna to be part of the Islamic law:
    ex) 1
    49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
    25: 1. Blessed be He Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Qur'ân) to His slave (Muhammad SAW) that he may be a warner to the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns).
    3 : 81. And (remember) when Allâh took the Covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allâh, etc.), and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him." Allâh said: "Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My Covenant (which I conclude with you)?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)."
    2: 38. We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
    9: 63. Know they not that whoever opposes and shows hostility to Allâh (ÚÒ æ Ìá) and His Messenger (SAW), certainly for him will be the Fire of Hell to abide therein. That is extreme disgrace.24: ……..And let those who oppose the Messenger's (Muhammad SAW) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements, etc.) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.33: 71.  He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins. And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement (i.e. he will be saved from the Hell-fire and made to enter Paradise).49: 7. And know that, among you there is the Messenger of Allâh (SAW). If he were to obey you (i.e. follow your opinions and desires) in much of the matter, you would surely be in trouble, but Allâh has endeared the Faith to you and has beautified it in your hearts, and has made disbelief, wickedness and disobedience (to Allâh and His Messenger SAW) hateful to you. These! They are the rightly guided ones,72: 23. "(Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allâh and His Messages (of Islâmic Monotheism), and whosoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, then verily, for him is the Fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever ."

    that enough for how sunna importance to Islamic fundamentals………………..
    #6:108 is abrogated by 9:5…………………….[who invented the abrogation???? ali sinna ?????? brother ,the quranic verses revealed almighty allha ,even prophet has no rights to abrogate the verses ,abrogate magic invented by sinna & some non Muslim cowards ,they can never attack Islamic law by directly   ,so they say all peace verses abrogate to verses related to quran [used for holy war]………………………… 

  57. KLMNOP says:

    Internet is the medium which exposed this religion, and some of the Muslims have left Islam, after reading the Quran and Hadiths on these websites. Internet has been a boon for ex-Muslims, as they came to know the truth about the vile religion.

  58. FoT says:

    Black magic only works on the  people who believe in it.  If you think you are cursed you will always worry and have negative thoughts. You will become a pessimist. Therefore there is an increased risk that something bad will happen to you. This is a scientifically proven fact 

    There is also the opposite, if you go to a holy man and get a blessing, this too will only work on you if you believe in it. The blessing will give you happy thoughts and optimists always tend to be luckier than pessimists. This too is scientifically proven

    In conclusion, black magic and blessings only work if you allow them to affect your mood. If you dont believe in them you will enjoy complete immunity. 

  59. Nasir says:

    I request all to study about islam properly.You can refer to islamic websites and islamic books available.You should not totally rely on this website. Visit other websites too.

  60. Nasir says:

    You should study about islam.There are variety of books available in the matket and many islamic websites are there.

  61. Nasir says:

    Hey…u should not say like that about who is a true muslim or not..Only allah =god knows who is a true muslim…

  62. Divine Wind says:

    This is a cock n bull story of the Muslim?. Where to find glass bottles in biblical times?

  63. vishwa says:

    That f****r know only arab so he said like that… Nonsense..

  64. KLMNOP says:

    And what about the guys before Islam?

  65. KLMNOP says:

    It means a Dog is better than Allah, because even in his sleep the Dog is alert.

  66. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer
    Poor you. Tch tch. Only 7 on 3 humane topics from Quran!!!!! It is clear who has lost. Only Quran is considered to be from Allah. If you bring in the hadeeth there are a lot of hadeeth that I too can bring that will illustrate the opposite!!! Thats why I rejected 90% of your posts. Point is you bring in Hadeeth because Quran doesn't have that many good verses.
    Second what I produced is from Tafsir-e Kathir not my personal opinion.
    Third, when I asked you pointed question about 6:108 (point 2 in my last comment) you failed to answer.
    Fourth, you have no answer to the fact that 6:108 is abrogated by 9:5, so why were hiding this fact?
    Fifth, I tried you remind you of your Indian ancestry. Are you ashamed of them?

  67. shabeer says:

    @anti plz read the blog  http://womenislamf.blogspot.in/

  68. shabeer says:

    ADVICE TO CHUCK,IF U FAIL ,PLZ ADMIT U'R FAILED ,AND ACCEPT ISLAM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ,BEC;S ,U'R NOW PLAYING LIKE A JOKER @ JUMBO CIRCUS ,WITH NO OF U'R PERSONAL OPINION,THE HADEETH & QURANIC VERSES DIRECTLY TALKING TO ONE SUBJECT …………………………..U'R NEVER RESPOND 90% OF MY POST [VERSES ],THAT MEANS U'R AGREED 99% MY CLAIM IS VALID [REMEMBER THAT 1% ENOUGH FOR WIN ] & 10% U'R P/O LEAD NO SENSE ,EVEN A POOR MAN CAN'T UNDERSTAND ,WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF CLEAR TRUTH……………………..

    DEBATE OVER HERE ONCE AGAIN SINNA GANGS FAILED HERE IN FRONT OF QURAN AND SUNNA
     …………

  69. cchuckc says:

    @Shabeer
    //QURAN LEARNING CLASS FOR CHUCK:
    64:14among your wives and your children there are enemies for you ……………………..THAT IS EVEN THEY R AGAINST THE ISLAMIC LAW ,THEY R NON MUSLIM , FORCED HIM/HER TO DIS BELIEVE.//
    Alas if you had read a bit of Quran yourself and some tafsir. Kathis makes it clear in his tafsir:
    Allah states that some wives and children are enemies to their husbands and fathers, in that they might be busied with them rather than with performing the good deeds.
    Caught you lying. Again!! So it is not about non muslim enemies.
    That is why it is not a correct example.

    //31: 15. But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge[THEY WELCOME THEIR /FORCED THEIR BELIEVES,THAT IS NOT REASON FOR MIS BEHAVE AGAINST THEM] , then obey them not, >>>>>but behave with them in the world kindly<<<<<[UR QUESTION ANSWER],//
    I have already counted 31:15, even though I don't completely agree.

    //3: 119. //
    Ha ha. Here Muhammad is sowing the seeds of dissent among the early Muslims, just the kind of example you should HIDE from me:-)

    //6: 108. And insult not //
    1. Here is complete explanation:
    Allah prohibits His Messenger and the believers from insulting the false deities of the idolators, although there is a clear benefit in doing so. Insulting their deities will lead to a bigger evil than its benefit, for the idolators might retaliate by insulting the God of the believers, Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He. `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas commented on this Ayah ﴿6:108﴾; "They (disbelievers) said, `O Muhammad! You will stop insulting our gods, or we will insult your Lord.' Thereafter, Allah prohibited the believers from insulting the disbelievers' idols
    So it was a strategy, not a guidance, to stop insulting the idols since Muhammad feared that his pet Allah would be insulted in return. The Meccans were being provoked in going to some extremes!!
    2. Muhammad himself along with his goons, Omar and Ali, broke the idols at Kabba and elsewhere. Were they following this 'guidance' then?
    3. As per every authority on quran, Kathir included, this verse has been abrogated by Q 9:5, the verse of sword.

    Shabeer, just a friendly advice. You can't win this debate. As I said, you brought in 20 verses that detail the punishment to the infidel, but only 7 verses covering 3 basic human ethical values. Thats how pathetic Quran is. You also can't win because many people now have access to Quran, Hadeeths and Tafsirs. They can pick up on your lies, cross reference these books and find for themselves how ugly these verses are.

    I pity you. You are an Indian and your forefathers were most likely forced into Islam. There is a big chance that one of your great great grand mother was raped by the marauding muslims and may have spent a generation or 2 in their harems. Think about it or may be pick up a copy of Islamic historians like Firishta (Tarikh – i Firishta) or Ibn Batuta or Al Berauni to know the barbarous acts muslims did in India. If you already know this history, written by your own Islamic historians, then I can only call you a shameless liar.

  70. shabeer says:

    QURAN LEARNING CLASS FOR CHUCK:
    64:14among your wives and your children there are enemies for you ……………………..THAT IS EVEN THEY R AGAINST THE ISLAMIC LAW ,THEY R NON MUSLIM , FORCED HIM/HER TO DIS BELIEVE……………………….
    31: 15. But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge[THEY WELCOME THEIR /FORCED THEIR BELIEVES,THAT IS NOT REASON FOR MIS BEHAVE AGAINST THEM] , then obey them not, >>>>>but behave with them in the world kindly<<<<<[UR QUESTION ANSWER], and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.   
    PRAYING FOR NON MUSLIM PARENTS IS IT "POOR EXAMPLE?????????????? OH!!!!  
    THAT ALLHA SAYS 
    3: 119. Lo! You[muslim] are the ones who love them[non muslim but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book……………
    Insult non Muslim god/symbols prohibited:6: 108. And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made farseeing to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.Bad word /swear against non Muslim idol prohibited:4: 148. Allah does not like that the evil should be uttered in public except by him who has been wronged. And Allah is Ever All Hearer, All Knower.Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 80 Narrated 'Aisha: A man asked permission to enter upon Allah's Apostle. The Prophet said, "Admit him. What an evil brother of his people or a son of his people." But when the man entered, the Prophet spoke to him in a very polite manner. (And when that person left) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! You had said what you had said, yet you spoke to him in a very polite manner?" The Prophet said, "O 'Aisha! The worst people are those whom the people desert or leave in order to save themselves from their dirty language or from their transgression."Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4043 Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 3132 Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6219 Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294A Muslim must be tidings [good talking] to non Muslim, do not create (in their minds) aversion (hatred)(towards religion), show them leniency(mercy) and do not be hard upon themKind/good behavior to non Muslim25: 63. And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6219 Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6215 This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters (and the words are):" Don't sever relations of kinship, don't bear enmity against one another, don't bear aversion against one another and don't feel envy against the other and live as fellow-brothers as Allah has commanded you.

  71. shabeer says:

    IDENTITY OF ISLAM:BOTH QURAN AND SUNNA49: 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.6: 21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers, etc.) shall never be successful.Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5818 Abu Huraira reported that he heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity. 4: 59. O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. 4: 69. And whoso obeys Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn, the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!4: 80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.4: 105. Surely, We have sent down to you (O Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'ân) in truth that you might judge between men by that which Allâh has shown you (i.e. has taught you through Divine Inspiration), so be not a pleader for the treacherous.4: 115. And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell – what an evil destination.Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 174Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 384, 391Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 208Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 381Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5920,22,23 Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3 Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet." 

  72. shabeer says:

    Keep good relationship between all family members:
    30: 38. So give to the kindred his due, and to Al¬Miskîn (the poor) and to the wayfarer. That is best for those who seek Allâh's Countenance, and it is they who will be successful.Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6217 This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmit ters (and the words are):" Don't sever relations of kinship, don't bear enmity against one another, don't bear aversion against one another and don't feel envy against the other and live as fellow-brothers as Allah has commanded you.Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6197 ,6198,6200, 6202, 6203,6204Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6199 [forbid paradise]Prophet keep money for yearly maintenance for his family, rest of them he gives charity:Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 80 :: Hadith 720,721Keep good relation to neighbors:4: 36. Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 75,76,78It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: He who believes in Allah and the Last Day should either utter good words or better keep silence; and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should treat his neighbour with kindness and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should show hospitality to his guest.Consider the guest / neighbor:4: 36. Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;15: 68. [Lout (Lot)] said: "Verily! these are my guests, so shame me not.Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 75,76,78It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: He who believes in Allah and the Last Day should either utter good words or better keep silence; and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should treat his neighbour with kindness and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should show hospitality to his guest.Charity for: freeing of slaves, for the poor, for guests, for travelers, and for relatives2: 83. And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allâh (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor and speak good to people [i.e. enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, and say the truth about Muhammad Peace be upon him ], and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders24: 22. And let not those among you who are blessed with graces and wealth swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and those who left their homes for Allâh's Cause. Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allâh should forgive you? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.2: 215. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allâh knows it well.30: 38. So give to the kindred his due, and to Al¬Miskîn (the poor) and to the wayfarer. That is best for those who seek Allâh's Countenance, and it is they who will be successful.4: 8. And when the relatives and the orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) are present at the time of division, give them out of the property, and speak to them words of kindness and justice.

  73. KLMNOP says:

    Superb…. Beautiful thoughts, loved it.

  74. KLMNOP says:

    Why is it correct to marry four women?
    According to you, your god has created a man and a woman, and not a man and four women.
    Has your god calculated it wrong.

  75. KLMNOP says:

    Insane Question….

  76. Test01 says:

    Hi Alisina

    Can you explain what could happened here

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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/aurangaba

  77. anti-islamic says:

    idiotic slave
    buddha in Hindi means old man.

  78. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer,
    64.14 isn't about other people so rejected. You have repeated 31:15 and that I will count as 1.

    19:47 actually is a poor example. His father in 19:46 is requesting him as explained by Kathir "(Do you revile my gods, O Ibrahim) This means, "If you do not want to worship them (the idols) and you are not pleased with them, then at least stop cursing, abusing, and reviling them." So Ibrahim was actually ridiculing his father's beliefs. same with 26:86, it is not an example of respecting others believes but taking a self-righteous stand.
    So all you could bring is 1 prove from Quran. Now I rubbish even this one. 31:15 isn't a directive for respecting men of other religions but an advise to snub the parents. kathis makes it clear that this was said in the specific case of Sa`d bin Malik, who forsake his mother despite her saying that she won't eat or drink. Poor lady remianed hungry for two whole days!!
    So even if I grant you this one, you brought only 1 from Quran, compared to 20 !!

  79. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer,
    I only asked you to bring stuffs from Quran. And I see you could produce only 6 for parental love (and none for love of your brothers and sisters) whereas you produced as many as 20 threats to the infidels:-). Point proven.

  80. slaveofprophet says:

    @Anit-Islamic
    At the time of marriage Madam Aisha was 6 years old,  she was of 9 year when Messenger of Allah Muhammad (PBUH) consumed marriage with her. A Muslim can not marry his daughter with a non-Muslim. Buddha was a Non-Muslim. He never believed in the existence of Allah. As per Islam he must be punished in eternal hellfire by almighty Allah for not believing in him.

  81. anti-islamic says:

    Shabeer
    Are you ready to marry your 9 year old daughter with 53 year old BUDDHA ?
    May I ask the age of your 4 wives ?( They are 9 year old girl children; am I right ? )
    With how many daughter-in-laws you are married ?
    Are you looking for old women like Khadija to marry ?
    POLYGAMOUS,RAPIST, PEDOPHILE MUHAMMAD IS FEELING VERY PROUD IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE ON SEEING THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING HIS EVERY DIRTY INSTRUCTION.
    s h a m e o n y o u r d i r t y m u h a m m a d

  82. shabeer says:

    Freed slave have his right to choose his/her future:
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 50 :: Hadith 878
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 713
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 50 :: Hadith 889 
    Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3588 
    Malik :: Book 29 : Hadith 29.9.26 
    ahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar said that a female slave who was the wife of a slave and then was set free, had the right of choice as long as he did not have intercourse with her. 
    Freeing non Muslim slave:
    Malik :: Book 27 : Hadith 27.12.13 
    Prophet freeing safiya[r] slave & marry her:
    Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 23,22
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3325,3326
    Free the captive:
    Bukhari  4.52.282,83 
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 80 :: Hadith 746,49
    Slave prostitution prohibited:
    24:33. and let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His Bounty. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you know that they are good and trustworthy. And give them something yourselves out of the wealth of Allah which He has bestowed upon you. And force not your maids to prostitution, if they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the (perishable) goods of this worldly life. But if anyone compels them (to prostitution), then after such compulsion, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women, i.e. He will forgive them because they have been forced to do this evil action unwillingly).
    Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 63 :: Hadith 260 
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 822,823
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 731
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 36 :: Hadith 483 
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 440 ,436,439
    Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7180, 7181
    Sex with slave act of ignorance:
    Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6856 
    ……Qatada said: Abu Abdullah, would this happen? Thereupon he said: Yes. By Allah, I found this in the days of ignorance that a person grazed the goat of a tribe and did not find anyone but their slave-girl (and he did not spare her) but committed adultery with her.
    Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4554 
    It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21 
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 
    The Prophet said, "The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody's blood without any right." 

    # VERSES  ARE JUST SAMPLE : IF U WANT I WILL GIVE U MORE …………………………..
    A CHALLENGE :100 OF RELIGION/CIVILIZATION IS HERE ON EARTH
    ANY RELIGION ON EARTH TALK ABOUT EQUALLY /MORE THAN ABOUT THESE THREE SUBJECT LIKE THAT,PLZ BRING IT TO HERE………………………….WELCOME COURAGEOUS BOYS /GIRLS FROM SINNA GANGS  

  83. shabeer says:

     3. Treating war captives
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 255  ,Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 655, Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 720, Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 723 , Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3327 , 3327, Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 285 
    Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: 
    Allah's Apostle said, "If a person teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly, and then manumits and marries her, he will get a double reward. And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. And if a slave fears his Lord (i.e. Allah) and obeys his masters, he too will get a double reward." 
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 721 
    Narrated Al-Ma'rur bin Suwaid:
    'Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job)."
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 29
    Malik :: Book 54 : Hadith 54.16.40 ,54.16.41
    Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4092, 4093, 4094, 4095
    Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.' "
    Released war captive by the order of their family:
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 716 
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 47 :: Hadith 778 
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 360 
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 608 
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 288 
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 38 :: Hadith 503 
    Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2308 
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2681
    Good relationship to slave:
    4: 36. Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;
    Free slave with complete freedom /free slave as much as possible 
    Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4102 ,4103, 4104, 4108,4109,
    Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3578 
    Muslim :: Book 15 : Hadith 4110 [slave should not be overburdened], 4111

  84. shabeer says:

    2. Respecting men and women of other religions
    Keep good relation with non Muslim mother:
    64:14. O you who believe! Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you (i.e. may stop you from the obedience of Allah), therefore beware of them! But if you pardon (them) and overlook, and forgive (their faults), then verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    31: 15. But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.
    31: 15. But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.
    Pray for non Muslim parents:
    19: 47. Ibrâhim (Abraham) said: "Peace be on you! I will ask Forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily! He is unto me, Ever Most Gracious.
    26: 86. And forgive my father, verily he is of the erring;
    Show mercy/humble to parents:
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6189, 6190
    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5933 
    Keep good relation with parents friends[MUSLIM/NON MUSLIM] after their death:
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6192, 6193, 6194
    Keep the rights of parents even they are not Muslim:
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 9
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 119 
    It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (May peace and blessings be upon him) observed: Do not detest your fathers; he who detested his father committed infidelity.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 120 ,121
    It is reported on the authority of Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas: Both of my ears heard the Messenger of Allah saying this: He who claimed the fatherhood of anyone else besides his real father knowingly (committed a great sin) ;Paradise is forbidden to him. Abu Bakra asserted that he too heard it from the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him).
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 162 
    It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Amr b. al-'As that the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) observed: Abusing one's parents is one of the major sins. They (the hearers) said: Messenger of Allah, does a man abuse his parents too? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Yes, one abuses the father of another man, who in turn abuses his father. One abuses his mother and he in turn abuses his (the former's) mother.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 371 
    Yazid al-Faqir said: This view of the Khwarij (i. e. those who commit major sins and would be eternally doomed to Hell) 

  85. shabeer says:

    1. Parental and sibling love,
    Rights of mother:
    46: 15 And We have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship and she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years,
    31: 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination.
    17: 23. And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you are dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honor.
    24. And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: "My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was small."
    2: 83 And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allah (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor and speak good to people [i.e. enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, and say the truth about Muhammad Peace be upon him ], and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders
    2: 215. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allah knows it well.
    4: 36. Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbor who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;
    31: 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to me and to your parents, unto me is the final destination.
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 662 
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 480
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6180 ,6181, 6187, 6188
    Disobedience to mothers/father prohibited:
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 159 ,160
    Ubaidullah b. Abu Bakr said: I heard Anas b. Malik saying: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) talked about the major sins, or he was asked about the major sins. Upon this he observed: Associating anyone with Allah, killing of a person, disobedience to parents. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: Should I not inform you about the gravest of the major sins, and (in this connection) observed: False utterance or false testimony. Shu'ba said. It was most probably" false testimony".
    Muslim :: Book 18 : Hadith 4257 ,4260
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6192, 6193
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 162
    Responsible for looking parents:
    29: 8. And we have enjoined on man to be good and dutiful to his parents,…..
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 395 
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 2,4
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.5.14 
    Kindness to Parents
    2: 215. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and Al¬Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allah knows it well.
    19: 14. And dutiful towards his parents, and he was neither an arrogant nor disobedient (to Allah or to his parents).
    46: 15. And we have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship and she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years, he says: "My Lord! Grant me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds, such as please You, and make my off-spring good. Truly, I have turned to you in repentance, and truly, I am one of the Muslims (submitting to Your Will)."
    6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
     

  86. shabeer says:

    #only about those women considered INNOCENT by all Muslims who know her. 
    demsci ,stop lying  THEY R THE LAW OF WAR WITH MUSLIM EX)Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294 
    >>>>>>>Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah<<<<<<<<[DURING THE FIGHT]. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children.
    IS ANY SENSUAL HUMAN SAYS ITS A RULE OF MUSLIM WOMEN????????????????

  87. Demsci says:

    Your list of prohibitions in the Quran is only about those women considered INNOCENT by all Muslims who know her.

    But this list becomes meaningless when a group of Muslims decide that one particular young MUSLIMA is GUILTY. Of SPREADING MISCHIEF IN THE LAND in some way, maybe in a forbidden relation or sexual act, or a too loose dresscode.

    Then that group may kill the Muslima, as if a Muslima is OWNED by her parents, family who may judge about her life and death according to many Muslims, even clerics.

    As so often the Islamic holy texts are too unclear, incomplete, ambiguous, prone to "misunderstanding". And never is a Muslim thrown out of Islam because of wrong interpretation of holy texts. Instead it is prohibited for even the worst misunderstanders of the holy texts to leave Islam. So even if there are some good rules in Islam, they are never ENFORCED (except the rule of never leaving Islam).

  88. cchuckc says:

    @Shabeer
    So many threats in your holy book!! Can you come out with a list of verses which are actually talking about human values and how to sustain these values? Lets say 3 human values: 1. Parental and sibling love, 2. Respecting men and women of other religions, 3. Treating war captives.
    I see you have listed 18 verses above and another 20 verses below for what infidels are going to suffer. Lets see if your quran can have even half as many verses for the 3 values I have listed above.

  89. Supriya says:

    liar Shabeer
    Discuss your fake Islamic verses with cchuckc.

  90. shabeer says:

    Women/children killing prohibited:
    Bukhari 4.52.256
    [killing girl prohibit]
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,58
    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
    During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 232
    Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit:
    ……….you will not worship anything besides Allah, will not steal, will not commit illegal sexual intercourse will not kill your children, will not utter; slander, invented by yourself, and will not disobey me if I order you to do something good. Whoever among you will respect and fulfill this pledge, will be rewarded by Allah. And if one of you commits any of these sins and is punished in this world then that will be his expiation for it, and if one of you commits any of these sins and Allah screens his sin, then his matter, will rest with Allah: If He will, He will punish him and if He will,. He will excuse him." So I gave the pledge of allegiance to him for these conditions.
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2608
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
    Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children.
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.9
    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5128,28
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 17
    Malik :: Book 55 : Hadith 55.1.2
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.8, 21.3.9
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4319,4320, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4460

  91. Bhuvan Som says:

    What is the hardest part about a muslim honour killing his daughter?

    Suppressing an erection.
    😀

  92. KLMNOP says:

    Dr. Mohammad says that one should run from a leper as you run away from a lion.

  93. KLMNOP says:

    Your scientific book says that the sun sets in muddy water. If you really have brains and think with logical reasoning, you will find that the so called holy book have so many absurdities and insane quotes that you will surely throw that in garbage.

  94. Demsci says:

    @Chuck. @ Supriya

    I believe Shabeer is doing what SlaveOfProphet asked him to do, namely pointing out what the consequences of not believing in Islam are, according to the Quran-Hadiths-Sira (I don't think Shabeer and SlaveOfProphet are Quran-only-Muslims).

    About why those two, Shabeer and SlaveOfProphet are on this website? I can't imagine that they are really only talking to us, their opponents, who are not going to convert to Islam any time soon. I suppose they aim to make points in favor of Islam for visiting young doubting Muslims. To counteract our influence on THEM.

  95. cchuckc says:

    @shabeer
    I have trashed your Islamic garbage many times. Want some more trashing (and thrashing)? Tell me what point are you trying to make?

  96. yakuboo says:

    it look like @shabeer get possessed by Muhammad.
    oh poor shabeer 🙁

  97. shabeer says:

    Punishment of sinner:
    2:81. Yes! Whosoever earns evil and his sin has surrounded him, they are dwellers of the Fire (i.e. Hell); they will dwell therein forever.
    3:116. Surely, those who reject Faith (disbelieve in Muhammad SAW as being Allâh's Prophet and in all that which he has brought from Allâh), neither their properties, nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allâh. They are the dwellers of the Fire, therein they will abide.
    4: 56. Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allâh is Ever Most Powerful, All¬Wise.
    39: 71. And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of the prisoners). And its keepers will say, "Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!"
    40:43……..those who commit great sins, the transgressors of Allâh's set limits)! They shall be the dwellers of the Fire!
    40: 72. In the boiling water, then they will be burned in the Fire.
    41: 16. So We sent upon them furious wind in days of evil omen (for them) that We might give them a taste of disgracing torment in this present worldly life, but surely the torment of the Hereafter will be more disgracing, and they will never be helped.
    41: 17. And as for Thamûd, We showed and made clear to them the Path of Truth (Islâmic Monotheism) through Our Messenger, (i.e. showed them the way of success), but they preferred blindness to guidance, so the Sâ'iqah (a destructive awful cry, torment, hit, a thunderbolt) of disgracing torment seized them, because of what they used to earn.
    42: 16. And those who dispute concerning Allâh (His Religion of Islâmic Monotheism, with which Muhammad SAW has been sent), after it has been accepted (by the people), of no use is their dispute before their Lord, and on them is wrath, and for them will be a severe torment.
    42: 22. You will see (on the Day of Resurrection), the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) fearful of that which they have earned, and it (Allâh's Torment) will surely befall them,
    44: 43. Verily, the tree of Zaqqûm, 44. Will be the food of the sinners, 45. Like boiling oil, it will boil in the bellies, 46. Like the boiling of scalding water. 47. (It will be said) "Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing Fire, 48. "Then pour over his head the torment of boiling water
    45: 7. Woe to every sinful liar,
    8. Who hears the Verses of Allâh (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!
    9. And when he learns something of Our Verses (this Qur'ân), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.
    45: 31. But as for those who disbelieved (it will be said to them): "Were not Our Verses recited to you? But you were proud, and you were a people who were Mujrimûn (polytheists, disbelievers, sinners, criminals)."
    32. And when it was said: "Verily! Allâh's Promise is the truth, and there is no doubt about the coming of the Hour," you said; "We know not what is the Hour, we do not think it but as a conjecture, and we have no firm convincing belief (therein)."
    33. And the evil of what they did will appear to them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!
    34. And it will be said: "This Day We will forget you as you forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours. And your abode is the Fire, and there is none to help you."
    35. This, because you took the revelations of Allâh (this Qur'ân) in mockery, and the life of the world deceived you. So this Day, they shall not be taken out from there (Hell), nor shall they be Yustâ'tabûn (i.e. they shall not return to the worldly life, so that they repent to Allâh, and beg His Pardon for their sins).
    46: 20. On the Day when those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) will be exposed to the Fire (it will be said): "You received your good things in the life of the world, and you took your pleasure therein. Now this Day you shall be recompensed with a torment of humiliation, because you were arrogant in the land without a right, and because you used to rebel and disobey (Allâh).

  98. shabeer says:

    35: 43. (They took to flight because of their) arrogance in the land and their plotting of evil. But the evil plot encompasses only him who makes it. Then, can they expect anything (else), but the Sunnah (way of dealing) of the peoples of old? So no change will you find in Allah’s Sunnah (way of dealing), and no turning off will you find in Allah’s Sunnah (way of dealing).
    38: 2. Nay, those who disbelieve are in false pride and opposition.
    39: 59. Yes! Verily, there came to you My Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and you denied them, and were proud and were among the disbelievers.
    40: 75. That was because you had been exulting in the earth without any right (by worshipping others instead of Allah and by committing crimes), and that you used to rejoice extremely (in your error).
    41:15. as for 'Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right, and they said: "Who is mightier than us in strength?" See they not that Allah, Who created them was mightier in strength than them. And they used to deny Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)!
    44: 19. "And exalt not (yourselves) against Allâh. Truly, I have come to you with a manifest authority.
    74: 23. Then he turned back and was proud;
    24. Then he said: "This is nothing but magic from that of old;
    25. "This is nothing but the word of a human being!"
    75: 31. So he (the disbeliever) neither believed (in this Qur'ân, in the Message of Muhammad SAW) nor prayed!
    32. But on the contrary, he belied (this Qur'ân and the Message of Muhammad SAW) and turned away!
    33. Then he walked in full pride to his family admiring himself!
    34. Woe to you [O man (disbeliever)]! And then (again) woe to you!
    3: 120. If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but if some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it. But if you remain patient and become Al-Muttaqûn , not the least harm will their cunning do to you. Surely, Allâh surrounds all that they do.
    41:26. and those who disbelieve say: "Listen not to this Qur’an, and make noise in the midst of its (recitation) that you may overcome."
    47: 1. Those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Prophet
    Muhammad SAW ], and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (Islâmic Monotheism), He will render their deeds vain .
    47: 32. Verily, those who disbelieve, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (i.e. Islam), and oppose the Messenger ( SAW) (by standing against him and hurting him), after the guidance has been clearly shown to them, they will not hurt Allah in the least, but He will make their deeds fruitless,
    16: 90. Nay, but We have brought them the truth (Islâmic Monotheism), and verily, they (disbelievers) are liars

  99. shabeer says:

    83: 29. Indeed, those who committed crimes used to laugh at those
    who believed.
    30. And when they passed by them, they would exchange derisive
    glances.
    31. And when they returned to their people, they would return
    jesting.
    32. And when they saw them, they would say, "Indeed, those are
    truly lost."
    33. But they had not been sent as guardians over them.
    34. So Today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers,
    35. On adorned couches, observing.
    36. Have the disbelievers [not] been rewarded [this Day] for what
    they used to do?
    88: 17. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?
    18. And at the heaven, how it is raised?
    19. And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?
    20. And at the earth, how it is spread out?
    21. So remind them (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)), you are only a one who reminds.
    22. You are not a dictator over them.
    23. Save the one who turns away and disbelieves
    24. Then Allâh will punish him with the greatest punishment.
    25. Verily, to Us will be their return;
    26. Then verily, for Us will be their reckoning.
    92: 5. As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allâh and fears Him,
    6. And believes in Al-Husna(truth).
    7. We will make smooth for him the path of ease (goodness).
    8. But he who is greedy miser and thinks himself self-sufficient .
    9. And gives the lie to Al-Husna ;
    10. We will make smooth for him the path for evil;
    96: 6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).
    7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
    22: 51. But those who strive against Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), to frustrate and obstruct them, they will be dwellers of the Hell-fire.
    11: 18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh. Such wi,l be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allâh is on the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.).
    19. Those who hinder (others) from the Path of Allâh (Islâmic Monotheism), and seek a crookedness therein, while they are disbelievers in the Hereafter.
    20. By no means will they escape (from Allâh's Torment) on earth, nor have they protectors besides Allâh! Their torment will be doubled! They could not bear to hear (the preachers of the truth) and they used not to see (the truth because of their severe aversin, inspite of the fact that they had the sense of hearing and sight).
    21. They are those who have lost their ownselves, and their invented false deities will vanish from them.
    22. Certainly, they are those who will be the greatest losers in the Hereafter.
    23. Verily, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh – Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and humble themselves (in repentance and obedience) before their Lord, – they will be dwellers of Paradise to dwell therein forever.
    21: 3. And among mankind is he who disputes concerning Allâh, without knowledge, and follows every rebellious (disobedient to Allâh) Shaitân (devil) (devoid of each and every kind of good).
    4. For him (the devil) it is decreed that whosoever follows him, he will mislead him, and will drive him to the torment of the Fire. [Tafsir At-Tabarî]
    13: 42. And verily, those before them did devise plots, but all planning is Allâh's. He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end (final destination).
    14: 3. Those who prefer the life of this world instead of the Hereafter, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh (i.e.Islâm) and seek crookedness therein – They are far astray.
    16: 61. And if Allâh were to seize mankind for their wrong-doing, He would not leave on it (the earth) a single moving (living) creature, but He postpones them for an appointed term and when their term comes, neither can they delay nor can they advance it an hour (or a moment).
    16: 88. Those who disbelieved and hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh, for them We will add torment over the torment; because they used to spread corruption [by disobeying Allâh themselves, as well as ordering others (mankind) to do so].

  100. Ali Sina says:

    Yes the movie will be the beginning of the end of Islam. But so far I have not found an investor with enough money.

  101. [email protected] says:

    dr sina, how much money hav u been able to collect for the movie u were supposed 2 make? i hav great hopes in your movie.

  102. Demsci says:

    Hello SlaveOfProphet.

    First of all, of course your opinion about the Quran is different from mine, because your religion or beliefs are different from mine. As long as our religions differs our opinion about the Quran will differ, don't you agree?

    And YOU are on hostile territory in this website, for me it is more my home turf. Why do you comment here anyway?

  103. Sakat says:

    @Slave Prophet
    Very simple hahaha………………….!
    Don't believe the God (Allah) unless proved with practical evidence ,if not ,don't waste your hard earned money for that "Hajj" pilgrimage only to invite curse of so many animals sacrificed for Abraham's son(the pagan rhetoric's hahaha……!).

  104. slaveofprophet says:

    @Saket
     I am Muslim I do not know much about Buddhism. Will you let  me know about Buddhism? Is there no God concept in Buddhism? Are Buddhist atheist as you claiming to Japanese.

  105. Sakat says:

    @Narcole
    Sorry I couldn’t reply your post early ,because of prior commitment.

    “what if there's no god, or what if god slept?”

    I am not convinced with your reply baby, I am specific while asking my above question(when I placed this question to you)that ,”if there was no God” at all in existence (from human psyche or he was alien to him ),so in this context you cannot bring your standard reply ”the God is in sleep” ( people live in many kind of houses ,don’t try to see the scene from the window of your house for all of them )

    This was “Moses” question
    I am Buddhist and I don’t know who is Moses , even though for the sake of argument ,I ask you ,”how Moses came to know that ,he is asking question to Allah directly(do Moses know how the God (Allah) is looking ,if yes ,then please explain how Allah looks ,as per Moses.)
    After attaining enlightenment Buddha stood in front of that great banyan tree for second week staring at that tree under which he attained enlightenment in the previous week , he stood there without blinking his eyes only staring at that banyan tree for whole one week ,why Moses couldn’t control his sleep beyond three days .
    Why Allah felt sending angels instead of directly interacting himself with Mosses ,do he interested in hide and seek game verily.

    If Mosses can’t held two bottles for mere three days , how can he assure his followers of eternal life .My eternal mother will always awake till the last person is embraced even it took her well beyond 72 hours.

    What specialty do you find in Moses , he too an ordinary person ,engulfed with sleep, food, self preservation etc kind of things.

    What is that practical teaching of Allah? can you elaborate to my total satisfaction.

    The Japanese people are Buddhist ,for them work is worship ,there is no scope for “God” in their society yet they live happy and peaceful life well beyond 100 years and making progress very fast each day and look at those societies ,where the entity called God rules the mind and heart of the inhabitants ,how poor and demoralized societies they form.

    The two bottle speaks about heaven and the Universe , what about hell, where it lost its identity ?.Do you mean to say whole universe is hell?

    How come you know, it is Allah who is holding all of this? May be you are conditioned by that psycho Mohammed but do not try to thrust it upon other intelligent humans.

    First you should prove his existence and not his sleeping .Don’t talk about shadow but restrict to the object my dear .

    I am pity at you as well on all the 1.5 billion wasting oxygen, for following this cult Islam propagated by a Psycho called Mohammed. My blessings will always there with you ,I am sorry to say ,that you are no where near to spirituality (You cannot expect it in Islam ) .

  106. slaveofprophet says:

    @Demsci
    For Muslims Quran is world best book from scientific and all others point of view. Prophet & Allah guided the Muslims not to believe in non-believers words. Why should I believe in your opinion?

  107. cchuckc says:

    @Demsci
    //Yes for us it IS an ugly book//
    Ugly is an understatement:-).

  108. Demsci says:

    //"If you would have read world best book Holy Quran you would not question to me. Read Quran and make conclusion."//

    What if infidels read the quran? there are 493 lines about infidels in the Quran and none of them is friendly towards the infidels. All are disapproving and hell-threathening passages.

    Like the ones you, SlaveOfProphet, are quoting to tell infidels like me that we go to hell after death.

    Yes for us it IS an ugly book

  109. KLMNOP says:

    I have read some funny, some insane, quotes in Quran and could not stop laughing, but the barbaric quotes made me believe that it is not holy but Ugly Quran.

  110. steadyfriend says:

    Quran 4:56 
    “Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.”

    Two observations:
    1) The above verse reminds me of Greek/Turkish doner kebab sold everywhere in London. Cooked layers of meat are cut off for the inner meat to be cooked, looks like Allah will be doing a 'doner kebab' on me!

    2) If Allah is really all that powerful, why does he have to wait so long till Judgement Day to punish the non-believers? Can't he punish them now? 

  111. slaveofprophet says:

    @KLMOP
    If you would have read world best book Holy Quran you would not question to me. Read Quran and make conclusion.

  112. KLMNOP says:

    Is is something like,
    A man of grandfather's age marrying a little girl?
    A Father in law marrying his daughter in law?
    A man sleeping with his aunt's corpse?
    Torturing and slaying so many innocents?
    Cheating with your wife and sleeping with a slave girl?
    Promoting slavery?
    I have searched for this word in so many dictionaries but could not find the meaning you said in any of it. Please say something which everyone must agree, but not your fantasy.

  113. slaveofprophet says:

    @KLMNOP
    Noble= A true Muslim who follow path shown in holy Quran
    for Example Exp. " Abdu Rasool (Slave of prophet) mostly  views based on holy Quran".

  114. KLMNOP says:

    He is talking about you.

  115. KLMNOP says:

    Do you know the meaning of Noble?

  116. KLMNOP says:

    Do you think only one God has created the whole universe? If so why did he create people with different religions? If he has made a mistake by creating others, then how could be all knowing? He could finish all the religions by himself, why does he need humans to do that, or he could make them follow the same religion by putting the thoughts of your religion, If not, then how could he be omnipotent? Man is the best creation of his, then how can he torture the unbelievers, then how can you say he is all merciful? You find logic in all the weird teachings, but will not accept the fact, because you are brainwashed from childhood.
    Religion is made by human, so that he should not do any harm to his fellowbeings, 'cause he has got brains, and this brain can do more harm than do good. To avoid this, he had to be put on a tight leash, that's how religion was created. Humanity is the best religion, and the one close to it is Hinduism, But I don't say anyone to follow it, I'm not trying to preach about my religion here. I just follow the good things, thats all.

  117. Supriya says:

    Demsci
    slaveofprophet is advocating for terrorist organisation Taliban. It seems that he has mortgaged conscience.
    In Indian it is said that Nirlajjam Sadasukhi. It means those who are shameless are always happy.

  118. Bharatiy Kanya says:

    jungley, animal eater ,TRAITOR slaeofprophet
    go to hell(where your criminal allah and rapist looter gangster muhammad are getting burnt for eternity) its indias fate that she has to nurture poisonous snakes like you.

  119. slaveofprophet says:

    @Bharatiy Kanya
    I am a believer in prophet & Allah. My lord Allah said in holy Quran for the wrong doers like you 

    Quran (9:5) – And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

  120. slaveofprophet says:

    @Supriya
    _______Allah is punishing him daily in prison_______-
     Sa'd (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said: " The most in their suffering among the people are the prophets, then the best, then the (next) best. One is afflicted in accordance with his deen (faith). If his deen is firm his affliction is hard, and if his deen is weak, his affliction is light. Indeed, one would be so much subjected to adversity until he walks among the people without any sins. " [Ahmad, Tirmithee 

  121. Supriya says:

    slaveofprophet
    I am saying the same . Yasin Bhatkal is fighting so that the dream of gangster Muhammad come true. Therefore Allah is punishing him daily in prison.

  122. slaveofprophet says:

    @Supriya
    Yasin Bhatkal is believer in Allah he is fighting for Islam, Muslims and Allah. He is on the path of Allah. He never killed a true believer.

  123. Supriya says:

    slaveofprophet
    You admitted that you are a terrorist who support the movement of Indian Mujahiddin and SIMI. Do you know Yasin Bhatkal who is begging for death in prison?

  124. slaveofprophet says:

    @Supriya
    I do not need certificate from you of my identity. I know I am a noble person who is on path of Holy Quran & Allah. My all views based on holy Quran.   I am fighting for Muslims & Islam in the guidance of Holy Quran. I support Indian Mujzahddin and SIMMI who are fighting for Islam. They are on path of prophet. Insa Allah we will in the end.

  125. Supriya says:

    Bharatiy Kanya
    Unfortunately slaveofprophet is an Indian. His ancestors were barbaric desert Saudi Arabian. ( rapist, pimp,gangster) Muhammad employed them to intrude India. They frightened, murdered, raped Hindus to convert them to Islam. I don't know whether he belong to a terrorist group in Pakistan but but his hatredness towards Hinduism and it's Gods depicts that he is a member of Indian Mujahiddin or SIMI.

  126. slaveofprophet says:

    @Narcole
    I could not understand clearly what you want to say in above comment. Please give reference of Quran also so that Muslim like me can understand easily. Holy Quran is book of clear guidance and our all views should be based on it.  I request you use Quranic reference to make understand anything instead of non-believers style like X, Y, Z etc.

  127. DeciDela says:

    It is true…Buddha never mentioned any deity…he warned his people from the rebirth and the repeating cycle of suffering, he said the only way to avoid the rebirth is to be detached from this world and get rid of all desires. ..but he didn't mention what will happen to the soul that is set free and never reincarnate, actually, he explained this vaguely by saying that this soul will be united or become a part of the ultimate wisdom/truth

  128. Bharatiy Kanya says:

    jungley, animal eater pakistani slaveofprophet
    Yes hindus are polythiest and you muslims worship polygamous rapist pimp gangster muhammad. you must be lashkr-e-toyaba terrorist of pakistan. go to amerika and beg for food to barak obama.

  129. Demsci says:

    //"i want to ask somebody …… about someone. if there's someone claims that hes muslim, how to analyze whether it's true?"//

    I thought about this.

    Suppose a baby is born from Muslim parents and (s)he lives perhaps 80 years and (s)he never apostasizes, is (s)he not a Muslim(a)?

    If a person recites the Shahada and follow the rules of Hajj, Zakat, Ramadan, 5 prayers a day, is (s)he not a Muslim(a)?

    What other criteria would YOU demand for calling someone a Muslim(a)? What must such a real Muslims believe, profess, do and what must they NOT believe, profess, do?

    Then, when you are clear about the criteria to judge whether or not someone is a true Muslim,

    will you not then also favor some kind of "organisation for true Muslims" and further favor that some authoritative leadership of that organisation has the power to throw members out and reject new members on the ground of clear rules, which are monitored and maintained?&nbsp;That way you could trust members of that organisation as "true Muslims".

    Now? It seems to me you can't trust the vast majority of the world's self-confessed Muslims to be "true Muslims". You can't distinquish easily between the true and the fake Muslims. It makes you doubt what Muslims say and do.

    It is because the message of Islam is unclear and cause of multiple different understandings IMO. And that while the Quran says that is clear and easy to understand (or something like that).

  130. tony stark says:

    he never said there is no god but his definition of god was very much scientific if iam correct 

  131. Tony stark says:

    ali sina sir lord krishna also says in bhagwad gita that according to our worship our faith is fixed if fix our faith towards good or devatas we will also acquire their traits if we fix our faith in demons we will acquire that demonic trait but just like every rain drop directly or indirectly goes to ocean  ultimately every prayer goes to god who answers them accordingly   even in bhakti or devotion there is both positive and negative part  while in possitive we directly worship god but in negative part consists of insulting god just like kamsa and shishupal did they always thought of lord krishna they wanted to harm him somehow and ultimately they also got the highest of the slavation from hands of lord krishna even though it was different from a devotee but they too got the same place 

  132. cchuckc says:

    Go ahead and explain:-)

  133. Aryan Hindu says:

    In Hinduism we say Soul is a part and parcel of god.

  134. Well, its clear from your reaction that u use chucks concept about taqdir/fate/destiny. if using ur taqdir concept, of course i would react the same. but thats not how it works. if i explain about my islam concept of  taqdir, u might get wrong idea about it cos u already absorbed another different concept which u think same, but actually not. so im taught not waste time to explain this different concept if someone tends to argue about taqdir, while not having same source about it.

  135. Demsci says:

    //"What if there no religion?'//

    We think that the heavens and universe would be the same, but if it is really Allah who chooses to support them and so all our lives, 

    then yes, I would thank Allah for that, I do consider human life as positive, at least on aggregate. And I am in favor of longevity and happiness for a very high percentage of humans. And I do understand the distinction between good and bad behavior and that Allah wants humans to choose good behavior and shun bad behavior.

    But to do this with threathening hell! To create a hell that is so horrible as the Quran describes! And then allowing 99,9 % of humans to go there for eternity???

  136. Demsci says:

    //"At the third day, Moses slept and the bottles fell on the ground and broke up. 
    Moses woke up and was upset because he could not take care of the bottles."//

    This analogy clearly prefers whole bottles to broken ones. and the situation that Allah holding up the heavens and the huge universe as better than Allah sleeping or neglecting this.

    So then a Muslim is grateful to Allah that the heavens and the universe do not crash?! Does this mean that a Muslim regards life as positive, better than not living (for with a crashed universe mankind could not live)?

    Where does the Muslim go from there? Is all human life considered positive? Even if that positive life is spoiled because of bad choices, bad behavior, and hell as afterlife for 99,9 % of mankind?! Is life then still considered positive, because of which the Muslim heartily thanks Allah? Or is the Muslims only grateful for the 0,1 % of babies, that live, choose for Islam, and end up in heaven?

  137. Demsci says:

    //"and about the billions of humans and muslims number, i guess u never heard  hadith regarding "saved group" and "999 out of 1000 will go to hell."//

    And the question arises: Was it God's plan all along that SO MANY would fail? Or was it God's intention to give mankind  a Choice for some kind of good life or without it?

    With very good positive incentives (heaven) and very prohibitive punishments (hell) IN THE HOPE that mankind, in 1400 years, and counting, would choose more & more for this good Islamic life, avoiding living the "bad life"?

    And is it mankind that is failing? Or is the CREATOR simply demanding too much? Is the Creator too vague? Is the creator doing too little to improve the odds for babies to eventually reach heaven and to avoid hell?

    You know, on cigarette-packages nowadays the smoker is told that smoking will kill him/ her and in Australia HORRIBLE pictures of ruined black lungs are obligatory shown on cigarettepackages.

    But some experts say that such discouragement-tactics simply do not work! But Allah surely thinks discouragement-tactics with hell-threats work, as we see in the Quran. Oh, and Allah is the creator of humans, Allah knows best! Is this logical???!

  138. Demsci says:

    //"and about the billions of humans and muslims number, i guess u never heard  hadith regarding "saved group" and "999 out of 1000 will go to hell."//

    Wow! What a direct answer! But questions rise;
    What kind of idiot plan is this of God Almighty?!

    It creating mankind, then intervening with presenting mankind a beliefsystem based on choice of adult humans (and many children do not reach adulthood and therefore cannot even choose, but still, they get only the ONE life, ONE chance),

    which determines their afterlife (which is infinitely longer than the earthly life and heavily out of proportion in both reward and punishment).

    And with the beliefsystem constructed with the result that only 1 in 1000 on average will succeed! Say that to parents who have a baby!

    Oh, it would be a nice system if it was organized like the olympics; because then only the winners get gold medals, fame, perhaps money and contracts. But they deserved them, through very hard work and against tough competition. Every athlete but the winners and of course the rest of mankind they get less  or get nothing from the Olympics, but surely they do not get punished!

    But in God's system he punishes 999 of every 1000 humans, so also 999 of every 1000 babies born! And if hell was just some neutral place, with alternative activities and opportunities, only a bit less nice than heaven, OK!!!

    But Slave Of Prophet made sure that we here knew. and thus Allah tried to make sure that mankind knew that…..

    Hell really was veeeerrrrry painful. With the message in the Quran that in hell humans get burned , then get new skins and get burned again. Pfffff, and for WHAT??? Not for some big crimes, but for NOT BELIEVING! As Ali Sina said; what a CRAZY plan for a God.

  139. "If there were no religion" question is similar to questions like, what if there's no god, or what if god slept? One day, the Prophet Moses said: O' my Great Lord, I have a question that I really embarrassed to ask it, Do You Sleep?

    This was Moses' question.

    This question is a very important theological one.

    Now, look how Allah, the most Merciful teaches Moses and gave him the practical answer.

    Allah sent some Angels to Moses with two beautiful bottle glasses and told Moses to hold one in his right hand and the other in his left hand. The Angels instructed Moses to keep holding the two bottles, watching them and take care of them.

    Allah commanded the Angels not to let Moses sleep for three successive days.

    Every time Moses was about to sleep, the Angels said: O' Moses take care.

    At the third day, Moses slept and the bottles fell on the ground and broke up.

    Moses woke up and was upset because he could not take care of the bottles.

    The Angels said: now you understand?

    Moses said: Absolutely.

    Look at this practical teaching.

    Herein, the two bottles represent the heavens and the huge universe.

    It is Allah Who is holding all of that.

    What if He Slept?

    What if there no religion?

  140. Phoenix says:

    Gautam Buddha did not believe in an entity called God. He was an atheist."

    Buddha may have rejected or relegated the importance of the vedic gods but he was ultimately agnostic not atheist.Buddha believed in non-physical higher planes of existence,as well as free will and the dual nature of consciousness and body.This is incompatible with materialism.

  141. Bharatiy Kanya says:

    Islamic marriage laws( which allow muslim men to marry minor girls, 4 women at a time & if they are not satisfied by current wives then their is provision for divorce, a provision to marry another 4 women ) befit monkey. Actually a muslim man is none another than a monkey.

  142. Sakat says:

    @narclole
    Do you have any slightest foresight /probability of guessing "what would have been the state of human existence " at in this present scenario of human life ,shunning all the God related stories from human conscious (i mean if there were no religion/belief (regarding making us slave of God) had not intervened in the entire journey of human species on this planet)

  143. I've been having discussions with others. and i  left some cos doubt their motive. and still discussing about life with someone and we agreed about one new conclusion as result for our discussions. one thing im sure from discussions you got here, no guarantee. it seems more like a drama than discussion. months ago, i ever wondered, where are my muslim brothers/sisters? then i just realized, they chose to spend more time for something else with guarantee. and about the billions of humans and muslims number, i guess u never heard  hadith regarding "saved group" and "999 out of 1000 will go to hell.

  144. Demsci says:

    Narcole, there are 7 billion humans now, and 1,5 billion of them claim to be Muslims. So, I suppose, since Islam is of paramount importance to you, something that "defines you", not something "you also are", that 5,5 billion people are not in "your group".

    But now you want some further selection of those who are supposedly or really in "your group"? Weeding out those who seem to be in your "club of Muslims" but in reality are "not in YOUR group"?

    Why, for yourself, or for the sake for letting as many humans as possible to heaven and as few people as possible to hell? (Or don't you care about THAT?).

    Or because those misunderstanding Muslims threathen to seduce/ persuade/ convert many humans born in or attracted to Islam? And thus threathen to potentially diminish your precious "group of real Muslims"? Because the group of misunderstanding Muslims competes with your group of "true understanders and practitioners of Islam", your group of humans who REALLY will go to heaven (while the misunderstanders of Islam will go to hell)?

    Is there something in Islam that motivates you to try to protect and enhance your "group"? and so to fight verbally with misunderstanders of Islam? (competitors inside Islam!) And to fight verbally with infidels, who have many alternatives to Islam, which are competing with Islam? Maybe even within your own mind? In 100 years time?

  145. Demsci says:

    Well, Narcole, since you ask, this:

    What are your goals? For if you live a 100 years? You want to be "member" of the "club" of Muslims all life? Because you believe Islam gives a true message, it gives you eternal heaven and it is beneficial for mankind. And it is their best choice, over Islam's many alternatives. Is this correct?

    Now you have questions and misgivings about fellow Muslims? You ask yourself if they are real Muslims or what??? Infidels, masquerading as Muslims, so enemies??? Or "misunderstanders of Islam"?

    Or did you talk about writer and posters here that claim to be apostates of Islam? Did you doubt whether they ever WERE Muslims as they claimed? (Because of their apparent lack of knowledge of Islam).

    And to decide what? Fortunately for you you do not seem to LIVE with either fake Muslims, misunderstanders of Islam or apostates of Islam, or do you? You only have to decide whether or not to invest time, energy and attention to DISCUSS Islam and it's merits and demerits and Islam's alternatives with them, don't you? Or if it is just a waste of precious time.

    But then: What good activities would you do in your 100 years, if you no longer discussed Islam? and what if discussing Islam is something you enjoy very much?

    Maybe you have to ask yourself: What are the advantages and drawbacks of discussion about Islam and Islam's alternatives? Perhaps you want to do "Dawa" in your own way, as you once explained  here? What is it exactly that you hope to accomplish with this discussion?

    And if you find this discussion on aggregate advantageous, useful for "Dawa", then for whom? Readers?

    So where is it best to invest time to discuss Islam?&nbsp;And who are the best discussionpartners you can find? In the world, on internet, in your 100 years?&nbsp;

  146. Demsci, tell me something. i've been watching and analyzing someone. im not gonna tell his name. but u could guess, without having to mention the name. first, in Islam, a muslim, is haram, to accuse another muslim as non muslim. cos just by accusing that, the person who accuses could become a nonmuslim, if in fact, the person whos accused is actually a muslim. but i cant hide this thought. i want to ask somebody (at the same time testing his objectivity or blindness in analyzing-also to analyze this somebody whether its worth spending more time to 'share' knowledge or opinions with this somebody again) about someone. if there's someone claims that hes muslim, how to analyze whether it's true? first, ask the muslims. but second, how could you know the muslims you'll ask are muslims too? just by saying, i'm muslim', not enough. neither by stereotype. third, if ask the enemy, how could we know the enemy could say anything objective about someone, if he himself is the enemy? my analysis is only by comparing the sources from each group. if 'all 'groups agree that they find same source and same method in getting and processing the source to judge what makes someone a muslim. sadly, my source strongly emphasize that he has no signs of muslim. which makes me doubt to waste more time here, cos whats the use spending time of drama from people who pretend as enemies but actually are friends? also for persons who claimed were X but now Y, but actually never been X? if they were X, they should have been able to answer any question about X, but i ddnt find any of them could answer any X Questions about X. the pattern i always see is only by diverting X questions to Y questions. Im bored. Drama. are you willing to support the drama and waste more time?

  147. Demsci says:

    Slave, you said that it inspired Muslims that Mohammed married a much older woman, as a good example. But at that time the revelation to Muhammad from Allah via Gabriel had not happened yet. Life of Muhammad before that revelation should NOT COUNT AS EXAMPLE TO EMULATE. he was just an ordinary young man prior to revelation.

    In the times of Mohammed what alternative did the women who allegedly choose to become his wife have? None or nothing appealing. It is not as if they could support themselves with some of job or income. Often their choice must have been "slavery or marrying Mohammed".

    //"As per Islam marriage is allowed with father in law if daughter in law has taken divorce from her husband. "// Fine, same with modern democratic laws. Islam is not needed and no improvement here.

  148. Demsci says:

    Slave, if we discuss with you, we also talk to all visiting Muslims, so thank you for giving us this opportunity.
    You said that Allah gives people only one life, but with the choice for or against Islam being decisive for being put in heaven or hell for eternity. But life is so short and eternity so long, so isn't the reward and punishment not VERY disproportionate? Also, what does Allah do with children who die? As they have not yet had a chance to choose? is n't it terribly unjust to punish children born to infidels who die in childhood for not choosing for Islam? and remember, the skin of those children will in hell be consumed in fire, then regrown and burned again.

    And why is believing more important than behavior??? But suppose there are bad behaving believers, making other human dead, hurt and unhappy and very well behaving infidels who make other humans live longer and happier, helping them?

    But Allah will still send the bad believers to heaven and the kind, nice, well-behaved infidels to hell?
    OK! so the next question becomes: What is Allah's goal? Is it egoistic in favor of Allah, but not first and foremost in favor of the longevity and  happiness of mankind? 

  149. Slaveofprophet says:

    @Ali Sina
    Do not you Allah also declared Arabs are best people of the world. In the holy  Quran 3:110 Allah says:-
    '"You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah . If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient."'

  150. slaveofprophet says:

    @Saket
    Yes, Allah will give non-believers life of eternal hell fire. Allah provided prophet only eternal heaven. Prophet was the best believer in Allah.

  151. DeciDela says:

    There are no heavens or hells, neither "rebirth"…..every faith is an assumption, and it will remain so as long
    as it has no evidence.  Most likely, when you die,  you are dead

  152. Supriya says:

    Namaste Dr. Sina
    You keep on saying that you believe in Buddhism. But your view(comment) suggests that you believe in Advait Vedant philosophy of Hinduism(not Buddhism).May I ask why do you avoid to mention that you believe in Advait Vedant philosophy of Hinduism ?

    A school of Vedanta is Advait vedant philosophy. Vedanta advocates poornavaad( The realisation that everything which appears to be is necessarily One and Whole).It suggests to wake up and see that you are full of joy(the Self as bliss). Ultimately you will come to know that everything is expansion of your Self.

    Advait Vedant philosophy : Brahman is the only reality. An illusory power of Brahman called Maya causes the world to appear in different forms. Ignorance of this reality is the cause of all suffering in the world and only upon true knowledge of Brahman can liberation be attained. In reality,there is no difference between soul(atma) and supersoul(param atma or brahman) . Liberation (Moksha) lies in knowing the reality of this "non-duality".

    Gautam Buddha did not believe in an entity called God. He was an atheist.Buddhism advocates shoonyavaad( the realisation that everything which appears to be is nothing OR emptiness). It suggests that the world is full of only suffering, misery and resolving it as the chief purpose of human life.

  153. Sakat says:

    The Indian Schools of thoughts works on two fold,to begin with , one thought thus concentrates on the existence of 'one without the second'" principle ,and its presence is called "Brahman" .When two things intervene in between this singularity ,several other things will follow it ,viz,time ,space,causation etc and it is called "dwaita' philosop[hy or duality .The proponent of dwaita philosophy proves with their eloquent debate ,that ,duality is nothing but manifest or multiplication of that single truth, which is invisible but exist when it is in duality .It exist for certain period in duality and in the end merges with or unite with the ultimate truth( the one without the second) .It is like merging the water of river into ocean which is its ultimate "end sojourne " ,and exactly that is the ultimate destiny of real spirituality.I do not follow Sickism or do consider Guru Nanak was an enlightened being simply because to appease or hurt his followers .To test Guru Nanak,s integrity i only want to ask a simple question ,why? he insisted his followers to COVER THEIR HEADS ,when they enter any Guru Dwaras or prayer halls .If yes ,then certainly Mohammed too was enlightened being ,think of it .

  154. knowTheEnemy says:

    The ancient Indian spirituality says very similar to what you wrote in this comment. In Sikh holy books God is called Karta Purakh (The Do-er), that is, the entity who is doing everything. In Upanishads, this 'God' who in your words is experiencing everything, is named Brahman (Not to be confused with Brahmin- the Hindu priestly caste).

    ["Said this, I can't make sense of any of this. How many times God needs to experience pain and suffering before He gets it?"]

    Brahman isn't doing all this to somehow 'get it'. S/he has already 'got it'. S/he is doing what in Hindu thought is called Leela, or Play (e.g. a play in a theater). Now why Brahman is doing this play, is unknown as of now. The only explanation that I have come across is "Brahman wishes to do it, so S/he does it"!

  155. KLMNOP says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . . .

  156. KLMNOP says:

    Hindus pray and worship God in every form, God has created everything and things created by him are worthy of worship. It doesn't mean that they are all different Gods, it means that we try to connect to him through everything which he has created. We don't think God as individuals, but as a universe.

  157. Ali Sina says:

    I don't think I can throw any more light than what you said. I have come to the same conclusion that we are pieces of God and that God experiences himself and what is not himself through us, in the same way that the ocean experiences the world through its water vapors that sends out. All the waters are from ocean and go back to the ocean and are the ocean, even when they are separate from it. These waters experience the world and appears in good and bad places. Imagine that God experiences the universe through us, like when you touch different things to feel them with your finger Your finger may get dirty or cold or burn but at the you sense the sensation. So in a sense we are fingers of God H senses what is not Him through us.

    Said this, I can't make sense of any of this. How many times God needs to experience pain and suffering before He gets it? Suffering is suffering and the world is filled with it.

  158. Ali Sina says:

    I know what Islam teaches. But Islam is a lie. Muhammad was a very benighted person. I was born into that cult. You don't need to tell me what Islam teaches.

  159. Ali Sina says:

    Actually a powerful mind is one that can create reality by thinking. Thought are not illusion., Thoughts are the seed of reality. Everything is thought. The universe is a thought. It is the matter that is an illusion,.

  160. DeciDela says:

    I watched a video explaining the "placebo"…..I know what you mean,,,,my family and my doctor tried
    the "placebo" treatment on me when I was a child, but it never worked….neither as a child nor as
    an adult.   Is my mind powerful to detect that false treatmen and rejects it, or the power of the mind
    is to submit to illusions?

  161. denialisnoproof says:

    i agree with ali sina. that mo ham head  is getting roasted in hell for raping a child of 9 years when he was at the age of 54.
    oh according to you pakis are killing each other because they have hindu genes. but what about your QURAAND
    in which it says that all human beings are descendants of adam and eves incestual sex.

  162. Supriya says:

    salveofprophet
    I can relate your Muhammd with Jaikant Shikre and Dr. Sina with Bairao Singham( I hope you have seen the movie" Singham"). Jaikant shikre( Muhammad) is a Don( of the world of Islam) and politician( I told you that Islam was political agenda of muhammad which aimed to fulfill his private passions and dominate the world using sword) .Bajirao singham( Dr. Sina) is an honest police inspector who resolves most of the problems caused by sickminded muslims. Jaikant shikre( Muhammad) tries to torture Singham(Dr. Sina) and public. An honest and intelligent Singham( Dr. Sina) succeeds in gathering other police inspectors( ex-muslims) and reaches the house of Jaikant shikre( Muhammad). Jaikant shikre(Muhammad) is arrested by police inspectors( all ex-muslims )and they shoot him dead. In this way Muhammad aur Islam ka kaam khatm kiya jata hain. Singham( Dr. Sina) wins. The film ends with the public saluting Singham(Dr. Sina).

    Celebrate the death of Muhammad and end of Islam. Dhoom Machale !!!

  163. slaveofprophet says:

    @Ali Sina
    Your comment gives sound of Hinduism. Coming back again and again or rebirth until one become enlightened.  Hindu believe Buddha, Nanak, Kabirdas got salvation because they got enlightenment.
    But Islam does not believe in this.
    As per Islamic point of view every Muslim who follow Holy Quran truthfully is enlightened and will get eternal heaven and non-believers in Prophet & Allah will be in eternal hell. Coming back or rebirth is unislamic concept. This is our first & last life. One gets chance only one time.

  164. Anand Sagar says:

    //When we are completely evolved, we won't come back to this world again, or if we come back we come as Buddha or as Jesus,, as highly evolved beings. //

    Humans are fractals of God. In other words, our spirits are fractals of God's spirit. That being the case, are we not already highly evolved beings? why should we come to this world to evolve spiritually when when we already are God's spirit and perfect beings?

    As far as I understand, it is God that experiences his limitless potential to be anything by creating in his mind the physical reality including us humans and our experiences are God's experiences.

    Mr.Sina, can you throw some light.

  165. slaveofprophet says:

    @DeceDela
    Really, I laugh  stupidity of these Christians.

  166. DeciDela says:

    Please tell me

  167. DeciDela says:

    The link failed…the video is called: The God Delusion. 

  168. DeciDela says:

    Every year there are Millions of faithful Christian pilgrims visit a place in which they thought Virgin Mary appeared…..they wash their sick bodies in the water of that place believing strongly that they will be healed.  Only about sixty of them get satisfactory results of a faith they all share.   Please watch this video :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

  169. Ali Sina says:

    Do you know what is placebo?

  170. Ali Sina says:

    The answer is not difficult. In your opinion God is a whimsical and illogical entity that demands blind obedience and does as he pleases. I invite you to read a bout narcissistic personality disorder and you will see that the the symptoms of narcissism are very visible in Muhammad's Allah. Why? Because Allah was Muhammad's own invention. So the deity you worship is a mentally sick man just like the prophet who is your master.

    My view of God is that He or It must be a very rational being. Based on reason I know that as long as I have love in my heart and hate no one I am going to be okay. A rational god does not punish humans if they do not harm others creatures. A rational god does not need worship. In fact I don't think anyone will be punished. We are here to evolve spiritually. The whole purpose of coming to this world is to grow spiritually. This can be done by acquiring divine attributes like love, kindness, forgiveness, compassion to other humans and to animals. When your heart is filled with love for all living sentient beings, you grow spiritually. When we are completely evolved, we won't come back to this world again, or if we come back we come as Buddha or as Jesus,, as highly evolved beings. The idea of God sending people to hell to burn for ever is attributing insanity to God

  171. XYZ says:

    @ slave of prophet
    Followers of Islamic marriage laws are infected by HIV virus.Muhammad died because he was infected by AIDS. If you want to spend life safe and secure( without getting infected by HIV virus) , then don't follow Muhammad, otherwise you will be no more in a course of time.
    Quran is a book of Muhammad's statements( not revealations of Allah). Muhammad lied and fooled Arabian residents.There are no such concepts like Hell and Heaven. Don't get fooled by Islamic preachers.
    I am your well wisher.

  172. DeciDela says:

    Something weird happened to me right now….I accidently ended up in this site, and in this page. Ten minutes before that, I was thinking of this subject and the power of thoughts.  Those people who visited the grave of Khomini with faith, and then they were healed….this happened accidently, because there are lots of others who also have faith but they were not healed.  Those people who were healed might have been receiving medical treatment, or they were healed just by chance, typically they will say: "it is the blessings of Khomini", or any other "holy" man.  Also, the black magic works on some who believe in it, and sometime it doesn't work on the ones who believe….and vice versa.  As if everything in this world is accidental or merely destined.  
    I do not believe in the miracles of the ancient "prophets", and if some of those miracles happened indeed, then they are the result of a certain knowledge the performer possessed and the public were not aware of. For example:  if a "prophet" had some knowledge about astronomy, and he knew that there will be an eclipse after two days, he will tell his people: the sun will disappear after two days, a sign from God that he is angry.

  173. slaveofprophet says:

    @Xyz
    You have many false assumptions for Islam. Okey, being a true Muslim I will clarify one by one.
    1.___________How many 9 year minor girls( like Ayesha_______
    As per Islam if girl gets the menstruation one can consume marriage with her. Age of 6 or 9 or 15 does not matter. It  totally depends on nature. Humans can not interfere in it.
    2. _________how many aunt's deadbodies you had sex______
    This is totally wrong. There is no truth.
    3__________How many old woman (like Khadija)___________
    My first wife also 25 years older than me. I was 20 Years old and she was 45 years old. But now we live separately. 
    4.____________How many captive girls serve you daily___________
    Captive girls were the women of non-believers whose all relatives get killed in war. Prophet provided them asylum and took care of them of all kind. And these women of non-believers were not captive they willingly decided to live in prophet company to serve him.
    5. ___________With how many women you have officially married___________
    I have had only 3 marriage in which 1 wife has got divorce.
    6.__________Your daughter-in-laws don't feel ashamed in sleeping________
    As per Islam marriage is allowed with father in law if daughter in law has taken divorce from her husband.

    Islamic laws are totally god guidance and befit for humans.

  174. XYZ says:

    @ slave of prophet
    Muhammad is enlightened soul for you. It means that you imitate him,do you? If yes,then answer : How many 9 year minor girls( like Ayesha) are victims of your lust?
    With how many aunt's deadbodies you had sex( like Muhammad)?
    How many old woman (like Khadija) are victims of your amorous advances?
    How many captive girls serve you daily( Muhammad enslaved thousands of girls and had sex with them all)?
    With how many women you have officially married( Muhammad officially married with 11 women)?
    Your daughter-in-laws don't feel ashamed in sleeping with you and your son simultaneously( Muhammad lust for his daughter-in-law)?

  175. slaveofprophet says:

    @Supriya
    Quran contains the revelations of almighty Allah. I am following the only almighty Allah guidance and who disbelieve in Quran are enemy of Allah & Islam. 
    Quran 4:56
    “Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

  176. Sakat says:

    @slaveprophet
    Hey Joker
    Tell me whether your God Allah can give me life for eternal in human existence ? ,if yes then why he deprived Mad Mohammed from getting it .Your Allah and Mad Mohammed both are thugs ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!. And you the third kind (slave the waste oxygen ) Licking their "A".

  177. Supriya says:

    slaveofprophet
    It is proved that Quran contains revealations of SATAN(shaitan).You are following SATAN ( =Muhammad) who was rapist,murderer,looter,pedophile.I laugh at your stupidity.
    What are your views of Arabian muslims from middle east begging for death everyday ( the situation of Arab Spring) ?
    I think Allah is punishing them for believing in SATAN(= Muhammad).

  178. slaveofprophet says:

    @Supriya
    Buddha, Krishna, Vivekananda, Gandhi, Einstein were enlightened souls is not my opinion but opinion of your boss Dr. Ali Sina. My opinion based on Holy Quran. In my opinion all these personality were worst of creatures and non-believers in Almighty Allah and they all must be in eternal helfire from Islamic point of view.

    Here I agree with Zakir Naik that Gandhi will be in eternal hellfire because he died as non-believer in prophet & Allah and he was also polytheist. He believed Krishna was God, Rama was God, Hanuman was God etc. etc. How many God?
    (Quran 43:74-78)
    “Surely, the disbelievers will be in the torment of Hell to abide therein forever. (The torment) will not be lightened for them, and they will be plunged into destruction with deep regrets, sorrows and in despair therein. We wronged them not, but they were the wrongdoers. ;And they will cry: ‘O Malik! Let your Lord make an end of us’ He will say: ‘Surely, you shall abide forever.’ Indeed We have brought the truth to you, but most of you have a hatred for the truth” (Quran 43:74-78)
    2 __________your views of Muslims in siriya, egypt,yemen,pakistan,afganistan_______
    More than 95% Pakistani & Afghanistan are not true Muslim ( I mean Arab decedents) they are most violent people of the world because they come from Hindu ancestors. Only Arabian people or their decedents are true Muslims. If Pakistani & Afghanistan Muslims do any violent act it must be blamed to Hindu & Buddhist because they have genes of their violent ancestors.

  179. Supriya says:

    slaveofprophet
    Finally you admitted that Buddha, Jesus and Einstein were highly evolved souls.

    What are your views of Muslims in siriya, egypt,yemen,pakistan,afganistan,iraq experiencing hellfire daily ?

  180. Phoenix says:

    Steadyfriend

    The issue of faith (subjective beliefs) and its efficacy has been a long contention between dualist and material philosophers.
    Dualists have claimed beliefs can affect our behavior and subjective reality.Materialists claims beliefs are an an illusion or at best an epiphenomena with no causal influence. Fortunately the dualist philosophers now have experimental evidence published in science journals to support their position. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/5/3
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17349730

  181. Phoenix says:

    SOP
    Faith is a subjective experience and is unique and personal.You can't force your beliefs on others without their approval.
    ==
    You said:We both have contrasting faith.//

    Your beliefs do contrast that of Ali Sina's.At least you're being honest for now.Ali Sina does not believe in an immortal psychopath who tortures souls at the behest of another immortal psychopath.

    Who will be proved correct according to you?"//
    There's a method called logic.It's a discipline that is used to validate or invalidate arguments.if your arguments regarding Islam can withstand scrutiny and Ali Sina's fail then you would have validated Islam.
    So go ahead and show us your work.

  182. slaveofprophet says:

    @Ali Sina
    You said faith works. If I have firm faith Ali Sina will be in eternal hellfire where Allah will torture him by regrowing his skin again and again in the fire of hell because of abusing to prophet (PBUH)but your faith  you will be in the world of highly evolved souls like Buddha,  Jesus, Einstein and others. We both have contrasting faith. Who will be proved correct according to you?

  183. steadyfriend says:

    Dear Dr Sina,
    I am grateful for your prompt and entirely convincing reply. Thanks once again!

  184. Ali Sina says:

    Yes faith heals, but it is the faith of the believer that heals him not the power of the healer. If the so called healer can convince you that he has he power, you get healed, but you get healed through the power of your own belief. When you believe in something your body secretes certain chemicals that help you heal. Our body and mind are extremely powerful machines.

  185. steadyfriend says:

    Dear Ali Sina,
    You write " If you believe that black magic is going to affect you, it will and if you don’t believe in it, it has no power over you." —- surely this most unscientific, a phenomenon either works (based on some scientific premise) or it doesn't! …. You have a doctorate in a scientific discipline, please explain the scientific basis of the working or otherwise of  'black magic'.

    In London in 2013 -2014, I have seen several astrologers/faith healers (mainly muslim) advertising their ability in free and local newspapers their ability to cure effects of 'black magic'. Can this be true from the point of view of science? Many thanks.

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