In some earthquakes and other natural disasters where houses were destroyed, occasionally a few mosques were still standing. Countless Muslim sites have reproduced these pictures claiming they are miracles of Allah
A mosque in Turkey standing after an earth quake where other buildings are destroyed.
A mosque not destroyed in the earthquake in Turkey
The reason these mosques have not been destroyed is not due to any miracle. It’s because they were built better. Generally, people put a lot of love and effort when building their place of worship. This is a special place and they don’t tend to cheat or economize. As the result mosques, churches and temples are more lasting than ordinary houses.
However, even these buildings tend to get destroyed in stronger earthquakes, as the following pictures show.
Assuming these residences were destroyed by Allah while he saved the mosques, wouldn’t that make Allah a terrorist? Why would a sane god do such thing to innocent people and destroy so many lives, including those of children?
In their eagerness to attribute phony miracles to Allah Muslims incriminate him further and make of him a ruthless terrorist.
The truth is that God has nothing to do with any natural disaster. Disasters, despite their name, are not “acts of God.” They are acts of nature. Mother Earth lives her own life. She is not aware of our existence. If we stand in her way we get hurt. No one sends earthquakes and no one can save us from them, except ourselves.
Mosques also get destroyed.
A Muslim offers prayers at a Fathur Rahman mosque, destroyed by an earthquake in Solok, Sumatra, Indonesia 2007.
Residents gather outside a mosque damaged by a powerful earthquake at Cisaat village, West Java September 2, 2009.
Balakot Mosque in Pakistan was completely destroyed in 2006 Earthquake
MUZAFFARABAD, PAKISTAN-OCTOBER 28: Pakistani men pray during friday prayer at the Jama Haman Wali mosque which was destroyed by the earthquake in Muzaffarabad, Pakistan controlled Kashmir on October 28,2005
Anau Mosque - destroyed in 1948 earthquake
Imam of the Mosque in Baluchistan shows how his Mosque was destroyed by earthquake. At that time I was trying to go to offer prayer at 3:30am. At exactly that time everything started shaking and I heard the wall of Mosque fall down.
A displaced family wash themselves in front of the ruins of a destroyed mosque during rescue operations on March 30, 2005 in Nias, Indonesia. An earthquake measuring 8.5 on the Richter scale hit the South East Asian region of Sumatra on March 28 and reportedly lasted 2 minutes. The island of Nias off the coast of Sumatra was the hardest hit with the death toll estimated at two thousand people.
A mosque in Pakistan destroyed in an earthquake
West Sumatra Indonesia
mosque in mozafarabad Pakistantroyd destroyed in an earthquake
Great and worth article.
"God has nothing to do with any natural disaster. Disasters, despite their name, are not “acts of God.” They are acts of nature. Mother Earth lives her own life. She is not aware of our existence. If we stand in her way we get hurt. No one sends earthquakes and no one can save us from them, except ourselves."Try to say this to Moslems in my country iNDONESIA and for sure they will curse you to hell.
Yeah, being a moslem, i believe that Moslems and other Religious faiths should think of other ways to prove the existence of “The Divine”. I keep telling my brothers in faith that these misapplications of natural features, that are dimly seen in the background as the work of the Divine, repeatedly makes the whole concept of beliefs to be frail.
Finding such divinity is something new, in prophet's time such things weren't said. Remember, what prophet said on lunar eclipse when his child was still born
And that means what?
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In the Name of ALLAH, THE MERCIFULL, I am inviting you to embrace islam. Just beleive in the following You will be a muslim. Then study more, and then try to free other people from ignorance. I would like you to welcome you within Buslim Bretheran and keeping all other as witness.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
Thank you for your invitation. I accept it under one condition, that you read my book and refute my arguments against Muhammad. Once you do that I will convert to Islam and make public announcement that I have been wrong all these years.
Take this offer. I have led thousands of people out of Islam. If you manage to show I am wrong, all those people may want to find out more and may revert back to Islam. I know reading is not what Muslims do habitually and reading any book written against their faith is something they will never do in a million years. But in this case I think the stakes are high. I am set to convert millions of people. My goal is to end Islam. I have been very successful in doing so. I have bigger plans to spread my message, much, much bigger than these sites. So if you want me to revert, read my book and refute it.
Can we see your much bigger plans go operational in the near future?
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@talatmd78
You poor soul. You need help desperately. Get a grib on your mental state of mind dude ! We’re losing you ! You’ve been brainwashed big time by Islamic indoctrination and you’re obediently playing back the indoctrinations to others like a recorded tape. Psychologists really need to work out a way to cure guys like you of this disease called Muhammaditis, because it’s worser than death itself. Well, I supposed that’s why they all wanted to attempt suicide by blowing themselve up and taking others with them.
u r fake as well as ur allah
if thousand of people are leaving islam then on the other end millions are joining islam! and sites like this can only create debates and not divert people away from islam which is worlds most populated
Millions are leaving Islam. Thousands of them only through my effort.
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@sameer
@sameer
Islam is in the end stage. It can not cope wuth the increasing intelligence and ethics of the people in the 21st century. Like it or not, it will go out with a bang or hopefully without any damage to others. But whatever happpen, it is going down and Islamic countries know that it is inevitable and that their satanic jihad is a losing war against the goodness of humanity. This is the collective evil karma that islam has created for 1400 years, and it’s about to explode !
You are a paid worker of jews and christians. you are a completely biased person and just writing bad about Islam.it was Islam that created strong brotherhood among 56 countries of the world.People who were enemies for centuries became brothers.even youe United States could not do so. You are advocating jews and christians only. I read your articles that are totally biased. and a biased person cant tell or accept the truth at all. People are not stupid who follow Islam. They feel happy and cool while practicing Islam and spreading it. Scientific theories are not always permanent. Scientist are not unanimous in their beliefs. Well you are earning good money. Most of the people impressed by you are those who have not full knowledge about Islam and you are taking benefit of those things. well jews and christians are very happy with you that you are doing good job. Islam is a fact not fantasy. It proves good science not the science which is shaking day by day.one theory come then it is rejected agian another come , what a bull shit , and you are argumenting on just imagination my friend. Bo bold in your critics and research independently not with biasism. God bless you.. there has been thousand of stupid people like you who tried before to destroy Islam but you cant at all. take care and mind yourself.
Saying it doesn't make it so, but maybe if you say it long enough, you can convince yourself of it.
I think the evil karma u mentioned had exploded in Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq n many ME countries where the daily shooting, killing n suicide bombings are in the news. Check daily with the hourly news on Alzeera Arab TV, and see the truth for yrself.
acctually islam is the best 4 life
Really? Why? Because Muhammad and Quran said so?
Good luck with life. And when you see Muhammad in hell, tell him we say hi.
Tell him we say, "hi hitler" and "hi mo". Achtung!
hahaha..in bible say not to drink alcohol,not to bla and bla2…
and what krisrian do??
they do all diffenrence what they god order..
your people is very arrogant..
your people against god( ur jesus) and like complain about other religion…
all of kristiann is stupid…
like people do not go to schoolll
like free sex..
when woman
Which Christian are you talking about? Did you ask him why he was drinking? Did you ask him if he is Christian? Did you ask him what the Bible says about drinking? How many people did you survey? What are the percentages of Christians and non-Christians drinking?
How many people did you interview on your other comment about doing things other than what God orders? What are the percentages?
Who is arrogant? Why?
What religion is being complained about? Who likes to complain?
Why are Christians stupid? Why are Christian countries better than Muslim countries?
What do you learn in a Muslim school? Why aren't Muslims successful if they are going to school?
Who likes free sex? How many people did you talk to about it? What are the percentages?
Have you read the Quran? If you did, you would know Muhammad is:
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a madman a looter
What? You didn't know that? Haven't you read the Quran? Do you know how to read?
There's a $50,000 reward if you can prove any of those charges wrong:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
Click on each item in the box to read what Muslim books say about these things.
99% kristian drink arak/alcohol
almost 99% alcohol make by christian
chistian suck like hell
Did you go to school? Or is your community too poor to have a school? Or does your community only have madrasahs?
It would be helpful if you would study your positions before you write anything, because it makes you look stupid when you say things you don't know anything about.
Have you read what the Bible says about alcohol and drunkenness? I didn't think so, or you wouldn't have said what you did.
Remember, when Christians behave badly, they do it in violation of their teachings. When Muslims behave badly, it is in obedience to their teachings. You are living proof of the depravity of your religion. No member of a religion belonging to a real God would have the filthy mouth you have.
in ISlam,mankind must learn from everywhere..
school,madrasah..
yes,in bible says dont drink alcohol,dont eat pork
opppsss,i forget,bible always changing by christian who not agree with Only GOD-ALLAH…
pfffttt
People in Bible drank it and so did Muhammad before the verse of prohibiting alcohol came. Why do you complain while your god allow it before? :p
About pork, please bring scientific evidence, not blind faith. Muslims eat many toxic foods and Allah allowed it.
acctually arab is haram since the kitab if taurat
long time ago
Yeah, they are haram because you belief they are. Such a fine thinking you have here. Do you know the story of a drunken prophet in the bible or Jesus changed water into wine or Quran which didn't prohibit it until certain times and events?
That's not a statistic but a rant. Bring your source. Imagine China itself which is not Christian country and drink alcohol, not to mention has the largest population. Did you include it in your statistic, kiddo? xD
yes, if you can see with your eye give by ALLAH,
at my comment below i mention about all religion except ISLAM , drink arak/alcohol
Are you sure you are using your eyes correctly? Read again your own post and my response. Notice something? Allah did give you normal eyes, didn’t he?
The “fact” still stands, Allah as a god of both bible and quran at some point considered alcohol to be harmless. He didn’t ban it from the very beginning.
Muhammad in heaven…
yes because say that…
Muhammad in hell.
Sorry you didn't know already.
That's where we send people like that:
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a madman a looter
-muhammad not rapist,he only sex with his wife…
-he not pedo,in islam when girl in 13 years she can bear a chlid,so she adult
-he kill kristian who kill a lot of people in this world
-he not terrosrist he protect his nation
Sorry. Marriage to someone underage is statutory rape.
Christians did not kill enough Muslims. Muslims still biggest source of murder in the world.
kah kah kah kah,
your brain not work ???
God make Girl at average 13 can pragnent a child because of what?
that means god want show sign to us girl at above 13 can mary.
and who make rule underage below 21/18?
yes stupid people from west known as kristian…
hahahahaha,
kristian not kill peolple?
please check your fact again..
kristian people is very wild…
But christian people are not so wild as to do mob justice, bombing hotels, killing tourists, sucide bombings, destroying churches n temples, using children as human shields, etc., etc.. Most important of all Christians do not kill each other over religion at the present age n time.
huh,u make funny again,
kristian people use weapon to kill people,
very2 dangerous people,
owh, kristian kill chlid after that say muslim use child as shield..
owh,kristian,seriously,why u like to kill people?
Because they are annoying like you.
kristian is so annoying, want to claim about holy religion=islam
They are annoying because you think they are annoying. Good brain, kid, good brain.
i dont think kristian of kristian is annoying because of no reason,
u can see, kristian peolpe camee at muslim nation,county and kill them
Oh, who did that? I assume you were talking about the west which is actually secular. Don't you think that Muhammad was annoying too?
yes, the Chrstians use powerful wea-
pons to kill the Islamist terrorists, very2 dangerous people. Are u one of these people.
yes, kristian like to kill, and use the lame answer, u just admit it,
Yes, they like to kill because you say they like to kill, again, good brain, kid. :p:p
before i born they already kill many people,
why u act like kid?
u has zero fact, and make sentence like kid,
want to provoke me?
owh, u mistake me with kristian who can easily provoke by another kristian.
Oh, before I was born muslims killed people too, especially who didn't agree with them. Why do you act like a kid? I made reasons for calling you a kid, your abusive and zero fact is the main one.
I had zero fact? I did ask you to search my topics that talk about Islam. Did you read it or you just branded me with that out of nothing?
No provocation, kiddo, just fact. I had stated my reasons in this very site if you bother to search it.
Everyone use weapon to kill, kid. Muhammad also used that. :p
The problem is the reason behind it.
fire weapon
Changing your mind, kiddo? Weapon is a weapon, it kills. :p
changing my mind?
no just highliht my sentence with add some adjective..
Won't admit it, doesn't matter. It still kills. It's easy to lie, isn't it? xD
to lie is easy,
but unfornutely i not lie…
the point here, palestin only use stone to attack..
and kristian and juice use fire weapon to kill us..
so what appear in your mind?
yes,muslim use stone only to protect them self from be killed…
Oh, yes you are. Changing bible every second and the absent of alcohol in your god's mind is just few examples.
See? You are confused again. When did I talk about Palestine? Palestinians don't use only stones, but rockets, bombs, and human bodies. I talked about the general muslims throughout history including Muhammad.
Muhammad and muslims used whatever weapon they could find.
Source from Quran is needed if you want to say anything about your god. :p
off course i give you source from quran, but not dirrectly,
i use my own words,
not like kristian…
do not use fact from bible to debate
Ah, a trait of a liar.
I too will use my own words. You don't mind, do you?
Show me the proof about the bible.
proof about bible?
cannot give, because bible alway change everyday,
i want about bible change every second i can give to you..
Ah, another lying post. I can say the same thing. Bible didn't change for at least 2000 years old. I've asked you proof but you couldn't present it. Remember, 1 second interval, ok. :p
You do have a slow brain. I was talking about Quranic verse, you know. Just look at the above post of mine.
opps, sory i not lie…
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so funny, bible dont change?
ok, i can give you proof la,
just wait, i do not like you, always free,
i must work,and many responsible as muslim,man, and others….
Oh, sorry you lie and then I laugh. This is your way to prove something, eh kid?
Yes bible didn't change at least for the main branch of Christianity for thousand years. Still, it didn't bring anything as evidence though.
You don't like me? Of course you don't. That's what a muslim does, hating unbelievers and making excuses when couldn't answer.
LOL….are you like 12 ?
Muhammad raped because he "married" girls after killing their tribes and this is not a consent. He was pedo because he allowed any girl under 13 to be married and set the example himself by marrying 9 years old, not to mention banging slaves. He killed enemies who didn't accept Islam. Those enemies never want to attack him. He was a terrorist because he admitted that he was made victorious through terror and ordered to instill terror towards the heart of unbelievers. There is no nation, kiddo, just an expandable ummah if you know what I mean. :p
why girl at 13 years can period?
can pregnant?
why god create peolpe like that?
god do like that to give sign to people girls at 13 years is mature,
can married, can bear child, this is logic truely thinking.,…
killing his tribes?no, he save his own tribes,from that tribe culture,
like to rape, abuse woman, and more…
he kill people who cannot accept islam or he kill people who want kill muslim?
please check your fact k…
Oh, who said about 13 years old and menstruation? You muslim love to take anything physically, like barbarian. You know nothing of psychology and mental health. Anyway, this topic is covered in related article, Aisha child bride of Muhammad and Was Muhammad was pedo. All you do here is repetition.
You generalized thing as if every 13 years old is like that and gave irrelevant response. Islam allows girl below that to be married which means even girls who don't have menses (Q 65:4) .
Anything you dislike will be solved by saying "no". It's fun to be simple minded eh kid? No, he didn't save any tribe, he attacked them in order to spread Islam. Muhammad's tribe is the Quraish and it was safe from the very beginning. He killed people who refuse, check your fact and my post too. I've done it here, click my profile and search it. His enemies never attacked him, he did.
so you want againts god when god give give sign to people girls at 13 years is mature,period and so on…
so what u when to say when god give girls 13 years old ability to period and others?
dont use your mind, please got a fact from your wiki,opppsss, bible
after that use your brain..
ok?
Ah, reading problem found. I didn’t go against god (in real sense). I go against your god who made mistake thinking that all 13 years old are like that. I’m also against your lying behavior when asked for quranic verse. This made me think that your god knows nothing inside human body.
Yeah, some girls started menses at 13 but Quran didn’t care about that. It made the girls who don’t have menses as legal. Your god must be a barbaric one.
I've told you that you have to see the source not the wiki.
opppsss..
u against god when u dont believe ALLAH…
barbaric?
what barbaric?
sex in islam is soft..
u dont know rule of earth set by ALLAH
when you born at erth it means you live,
not mean you dead..
it same come to when you came mary or not
ah u,so funny
Ops, I don't consider Allah as god because he was human after all and knew nothing of his own creations.
Barbaric? Yes, sex in Islam is not soft, it is according to the man's desire. If the man want it rough the wife has to obey. Know Malaysian club, OWC?
I know the rule and you accuse me for not knowing it without proving it. This is typical muslim defense, a sweeping generalization.
Er, kid, I never talked about life and death but if you insist I suggest you try to answer my queries about it. If you want I can show you the questions.
Don't worry, I'm not the comedian here, you are because you have attacked yourself many times.
Source from Quran will be nice. :p
Is your mother the 4th wife of your father? If so, are you proud with that? Dont you think for a second in your life that there is something wrong with your religion?
how about your father divorce your mother to mary another woman,
your religin suck man,your religion not mature like cartoon
U are talking through yr skullcap, as if there are no divorces n remariages in Islam. Topi is not for u bcoz only smart people wear them.
hahahahahahahaha,
u out from our topic,
how if your father divorce your mother to marry another woman?
please answer that,if your change the topic i can say u r know your religion is make by mankind who hate GOD-ALLAH but u just can accept that
ok, i know all christian do that, because kristian know is religion allow sex everywhere and with anyone even with your mother…
kristian suck,
Please show me that verse. I would like to get in on some of that action.
how come i can show to you that verse when bible always changing every second.
bible from god?owh no,bible just a book can change by every body,
bible is not protected by GOD like QURAN….
bible just created to cheat you, when you cant be cheat by bible they will change the bible,and change again..after that they change again,after change dia change the bible…
u just be cheated by many popes who change the bible to satifed their nafsu, long time ago , bible says pork cannot be eat,haram, buat bible today say you can pork, and in 2 years in the future bible will say again, u cannot eat pork but several week after that the bible will say you can eat pork.
your bible totally sick dude…bible from god?check ur fact again,your religion is nothing, your religion is just to fun,to enjoy your self, to pope qonquer you,when pope cannot control you he will change contain of the bible.
vice versa with quran,it cannot be change because ALLAH protect quran 100%.and obsoluteky true.
but bible?ppffttt…piece of crap can be change by many pope priest and other…
fact:bible has more than 2billion version…after several years jesus dead..
bible at this time not from god.
pppfffttt
kristian just for not mature person
even prist change their religion to islam when they boring to kristian who can be changea and edit easily like wiki
A lot of statements but no facts.
how i can get fact from bible?
since bible is changing every second..
that is my fact, and yes, if you ask priest or pope they will saya bible alwats chnage
Example please. You wrote this 2 hours ago, so that means the Bible has changed 7200 times since you said that.
please watch debate between zakir naik and priest…
bible is easyly can be change..
bible= wiki*u can edit when ever you like
Please show me the site. I have some edits I would like to make in the Bible too.
Here's about how to edit the Quran wiki:
The Qur'an – Original Manuscript and Interpretation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJyeuXtZFuQ
The Original Burn the Quran Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo
You are not answering your error here, kiddo. :p
As always, distracting when found wrong. o.0
Then you have no problem giving 2 distinct bibles with at least 1 second interval. I'm waiting…
owh, you want it?
ok i will find and show to you, please wait ek
Remember, 1 second interval. Don't run, kid.
run???
kritian who always run,
when they cant follow ALLAH command their change their bible
See? You are running away while accusing others for running. You are making irrelevant response here just like your kind. I didn't talk about Christian who were accused of not following Allah. As a matter of fact, I have 4 comparative questions that prove Muhammad and Allah actually followed Christianity. :p
Before you write "change" I suggest you bring evidence, like 1 sec interval for just 2 different bibles. I told you not to run, right? :p
HEI ! STUPID, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. U ARE HERE TO MAKE WILD ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT BASIS. IT IS LIKELY THAT U HAVE ESCAPED FROM A MENTAL HOSPITAL, MAN.
ok,i know, all religion allow free sex
but islam is not,if you want sex, mary first,then go on…
Hei, stupid, stupid, u are talking like a BRAIN-DEAD fool. U meant no adultery n rape cases in Islamic countries ? What about punishment of stonning n flogging as prescribed in the koran are for ? U are a LUNATIC.
seiously,dont you think we talk about no adultery n rape cases now?
we talk about free sex now, and yes, muslim people very few do adultery, but other religion is tottaly free, just eye meet eye and 2 hour after that you can have sex with woman.man…
ok man,u always talk rubish and ur point also out from our topic
No not all only the extremist report the true
Learn the difference between extremist Muslim and Muslim
JSOP
I don't read any extremist reports but just watch the events unfolding everyday on Aljazeera Arab TV News. Go n see the hourly news reporting on the grounds yrself before u BS.
that make by muslim who dont not understand quran..
like kristian dont understand bible=wiki*u can change it whenever you like
Simple childish denial.
in quran say do not do freex sex, do not rape, they choose to follow bible, do sex, and rape people
Another irrelevant post. You do know how to read, don't you? :p
when i answer not sati u,
u say me cannot read,
please behave urself please
Pffft, you are seriously clueless. Check your posts and see for yourself. I'm behaving myself alright by showing your mistake. :p
Erdogan said there is no extreme Islam and moderate Islam. There is only Islam. Extremists have studied the texts and understand Islam. Moderates go by what others have told them.
Extremest follows Muhammad extremely. xD
but you extremely follow bible=wiki*u can change when ever you want
Ah, this is an example of a kid who don't read about the opponent. Do read my post first to know who I am.
i know you,
kid from schol,
who in holidays that has many free time that can reply comment anytime
Irrelevant response and another mistake, kiddo. I don't and can't reply comment anytime I want and you can see that in the time indicator. On the contrary, I think it is you who have it. You are so full of it lately.
Know, back to my original post. What did I talk about? Care to answer it?
ppfffttt, once again you change your topic…
wau,how came muslim can marry after that divorce for the next hour???you totally cheated, muslim who marry a woman for one hour n divorce the next. is not islamic enough they follow other wrong religion like kristian,judist,budha, and budha…
palestine,pakistan and afganistan peolple is kliied by kristian and judist…please check fact again and don change the topic, dont be stupid like ali sini
Seriously everin are you reasoning with topijera fella….who is beyond reasons.
He is the rotten apple here. I shall ignore him.
Here's some good material on Muslim sexuality:
Boys of the Taliban
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?…
Warning: Graphic content:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfbYkXtHuA
Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZPIbz-n_c
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKAuJewbXg
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kah kah kah kah..
that not fact, that is what created to make people think bad of islam..
if you want know about islam,ask me,not listen 2 islam's haters..
of course they will make false story about islam..
not like muslim, they not hate anybody, because ALLAH protected them from hate feeling
You had better count how many times the word hate appears in the Quran.
Do you love Jews and Christians?
How many kafirs and Shias have you killed this week?
dont have any..
jews and kristian they like shit,
kristian and jews in our country we protect them but kristian and jews in their country they kill muslim…
dont kill any…
this week jews kill muslim at palestian a lot…
You are babbling nonsense. If Jews and Christians were killing Muslims in their countreis why Muslims try to come to the west? The Israelis don\’t kill Palestinians. They treat them in their hospitals better than they are treated in their own. But they kill those who try to kill them.
???
where my reply here?
why u delete it?
afraid of truth?
Nothing is deleted if it's not abusive. Why kids do the same thing and complain about such a stupid post? Read the post and answer, can you do it?
Are you afraid? You didn't even try to refute anything here. :$
Stop lying you Muslim. I don’t delete anythihng paricularly form you. You only show how brain dead Muslims are and these false accusations also show how shamless they are.
Easy to lie, Sina. How can you prove a missing comment? It’s like proving a god. Muslim love to take an advantage of it.
There seems to be a contridiction in this
"jews and kristian they like shit,"
then you say
"kristian and jews in our country we protect them" I don`t know about you about you, but people generally don`t "protect" people they think are like shit. So why should the non-muslims protect the people who think they are filth?
yes, they like shit..
we give them more than enough..
and they still ask we,
to bla,bla,bla,bla, sory kristian and juice…
we protect you and you request to build disco?
ppffftt
go to disco will make you damaged.
we protect you, so dont be like shis…
Well don`t tell me what to think and think, i don`t want you "protecting" me you racist thug. Our stupid goverments should start to "protect" muslims demolise your mosques, strip you of any rights you have and deport you, we don`t want people like you practice your cult away from us.
yes, long time ago your kristian gov was come here and was demolise my mesque
Source? The reverse can be said too. xD
My heart bleeds for you and your poor mosque.
Many extremist are trying to find any excuse to blame the Muslims for all the problems in the world they will surely fail as you are biting off more then you can chew
-JSOP
It's easier if you just be specific and technical on dissecting Islam. It's useless to make generalized statement. o.0
So your post is found wrong and you ignored it. How simple. :p
That's it? So far, you bring nothing intelligent so why should people ask you?
Why is that you are the only one talking about sex here then! Just like your profit Mo….who only thought women is good for nothing else.
like you? use "love" to make sex with women, come on la, marry first and after that do sex with freely…
Irrelevant response. Do you read anything? :S
BTW I am a women, I want love first, otherwise its called something else. RAPE!!!!!! Thatz what muslims men do to their women. But muslim men use fake love to go after non-muslim girls out of their reach!!
It not allowed
really, Oh I forgot if some does they just get stonned to death. That is better than a culture of free sex. And what is free sex, there is nothing free anywhere, it comes with lots of STDs everywhere.
i do not know where you get false information about islam has culuture free sex, i muslim and do not ever see free sex in my islam..
please get true fact
False info from Islam, kid. :p
At least, read and respond correctly, you already made mistake here.
what is mistake from me??
i do not done mistake
Your response to Ria. Dear oh dear, are you that clueless? Hatred made you like this. :p
owh, please read my comment from positive side,
u re so paranoid
Hah? Come on, a false is a false. You can't tell your teacher to look positively into your bad exam, can you?
You can't differentiate falsehood and paranoia.
If I was paranoid, any post will be called false, wrong or erroneous without reason. You, on the other way, ignored the reason. o.0
Read about the Laws rather then reported Chinese whispers that are passed off as facts
Improve your land before passing judgement of another or trying to enforce your Laws (Violating that countries Law and undermining its Sovereignty
JSOP
General statement like this won't solve any problem presented here, :p
Speaking of Chinese whispers, the memorization and narration of Islam can be included in this one.
Proof please. Islam allows sexual slavery too, you know. You can do anything to your wives. It's so easy to divorce woman in Islam and the woman will have nothing to stand for because of misogynist system. :p
can do anything to your wife??
owh please, please get a true fact, if you want, i can give to you..
Yes, Islam allows that even in sex. You can approach them whenever you want. This is the fact. xD
yes, that true,
islam allow that,
what wrong with that?
with you work as employee,
so you dont work?
this is call responsible…
yes, kristian donot know what is responsible…
At last, you admitted that Islam allow men to treat their wives like property.Do you want to be treated like property? How about I make you like a slave and work till you drop. What's wrong with that?
Kid, I didn't talk about employee, but husband and wife relationship. Readers can see that men is the boss and women is paid for sex in Islamic marriage. Yeah, it's a responsibility alright.
Yes you approach them without love, and as a woman I can say it is repulsive. I feel bad for Muslim women, Older men marrying younger women. You take the childhood from a child and womanhood from a women. How can you love more than one woman ? It is not possible. Yes you can lust on several and thatz why you marry more than one. You marry for wrong reason. It is not for the love you marry. It is for the sex you marry. Your women never find love and you guys will never know what true love is. (Some exceptions, but they are not true Muslim, because they treat there wives with respect and love)
There is nothing wrong with loving, but then again there is no love is Islam, how can you love a woman and marry here for the right reason.
Marrying of a younger woman was done by the Christians also and the man takes care of the woman with love and money and the woman takes care of the house and the man when he is old. (When Christians had more morals then they do these days )
Did you read about allowing of woman to remarry.
Man treating Woman as equal and not to harm them
Woman should be treated like a queen
These are always left out to make the Muslims look like monsters
-JSOP
''Some exceptions, but they are not true Muslim, because they treat there wives with respect and love''
Most treat there wife/wife's like this you seem to not understand and it is insulting you are tarring innocents with extremists actions of a few
-JSOP
>Rich, old muslim men married many wives, That left the poor young muslim men with no wife. So they have nothing to do but to demonstate violently in the streets in ME countries about the unfair systems n about their govts' handling of the economies that did not provide them with jobs..Many also went into jihad in frustation.
"extremist action of a few".—- Just look at the woman patients in most hospitals in ME countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh n others. Many of these women were badly beaten by their husbands. Many were beaten to dead without being reported.
JSOP = Just say oaf packs of lies without proper investigations. Poor fellow deluding yourself !
''JSOP = Just say oaf packs of lies without proper investigations. Poor fellow deluding yourself !''
Name calling nothing more
Extremist few does not make up a majority nice try trying to pass you fact less nonsense up as facts
Extremist come in all forms (free will to do either good or bad actions)
Alas you do not understand this as you have jumped on the Muslim men are wife beaters band wagon that has been spread for many years by those lying and slandering Islam and Muslims in general (been disproved many times)
Good day Mr/Mrs/Miss Bias Sheep
-JSOP
"Name calling nothing more"
Just following your example:
"Good day Mr/Mrs/Miss Bias Sheep"
Don't you feel Muslims are superior and the best of all people?
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:
I went to the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) and asked him: "What do you say (command) about our wives?" He replied: "Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them." Book 11, Number 2139 – Abu Dawud
JSOP
But do not understand the difference between a Muslim extremist and a rotten apple kkk Christian. A Muslim extremist follow Mohamed teaching extremely and take Quran literally. And extremist kkk Christian is going against the teaching of Christ. Do you NOT see the difference JSOP. How long are you going to close your eyes and drink the milk and pretend no one seeing you do the act.
Already answered this in my post
Do not want to repeat myself again with a repost
-JSOP
Marrying younger women eh? How about marrying children? Do you know the difference?
Did you read about the verse which forbade Muhammad’s wives to remarry? Do you know that women in Islam can’t have bargaining point when faced with this situation because of obvious rule? Don’t tell me you don’t know it.
The thing is, muslims still follow the rule made by 7th century Arab in this age, others don’t. Yeah, they look like monster when they practice Islam and Islam creates the most problem in this era as a religion.
''Islam creates the most problem in this era as a religion.''
Not Islam or any religion just mankind trying to justify taking power using any excuse to do it
Creating lies,mass hysteria and paranoia about others who do not agree with them on what they are doing
Calling out one religion or group of people of doing an act yet turning a blind eye to another or yourself doing the same thing you are accusing others of doing
Those who dislike Islam will try and find any reason to have it destroyed
-JSOP
Not all of Man marry children that is a wrong statement
Depending of the term child as an adult in USA is 18 but in a place such as Spain it is 13 (Christian country)
Again implying all Muslim men abuse children with no facts (Criminal offence to do in most western countries)
Not all Muslim Men are paedophiles look to other places to find that
Only a small % do this act in the era and many countries do not do this act again tarring all Muslim men on the % of a few doing this act.
Again another fact less lie about Muslim men
Read the facts of the many Muslim countries and the Law and report the facts not what you think is facts.
Again you lack knowledge on the subject
-JSOP
Muslim behavior depends on the degree of their dominance of the society. In countries where Islam is in power, fundamentalist Muslim behavior is approved of.
Here are other factors that follow Muslim dominance:
Dr. Peter Hammond in his book, "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat":
"When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States –1.0%; Australia –1.5%; Canada –1.9%; China –1%-2%; Italy –1.5%; Norway –1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark –2%; Germany –3.7%; United Kingdom –2.7%; Spain –4%; Thailand – -4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves –along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France –8%; Philippines –5%; Sweden –5%; Switzerland –4.3%; The Netherlands –5.5%; Trinidad &Tobago –5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam-Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana –10%; India –13.4%; Israel –16%; Kenya –10%; Russia –10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia –Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia –40%; Chad –53.1%; Lebanon –59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania –70%; Malaysia –60.4%; Qatar –77.5%; Sudan –70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh –83%; Egypt –90%; Gaza –98.7%; Indonesia –86.1%; Iran –98%; Iraq –97%; Jordan –92%; Morocco –98.7%; Pakistan -97%; Palestine –99%; Syria –90%; Tajikistan –90%; Turkey –99.8% United Arab Emirates –96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' –the Islamic House of Peace — there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan –100%; Saudi Arabia –100%; Somalia –100%; Yemen –99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons."
Islam and extremist Islam is not the same what you are listing is extremist Islam
Jail Islam is call Prislam which is a violent perversion of what Islam is and is a form of a Wahhabism or Salafi Jihadis (which is what the Taliban and AQ is ) They only make up a small % of Muslims and they hurt and kill other Muslims also
Learn the difference between the two
Most of this is not based on facts but based on Mass Paranoia of ''The Creeping Sharia'' nonsense that has been
said by many who lack knowledge of the difference between Islam and Extremist Islam
-JSOP
Define Islam.
Define Extremist Islam.
Define Perverted Islam.
Why is Wahhabism wrong?
Why are Taliban wrong?
Why is AQ wrong?
So you are smarter than National Security professionals who wrote Shariah the Threat?
ShariahTheThreat.org
Free download under "About the Book" on the menu bar.
Other commenters on this site have noted your pattern of ignoring evidence.
Nobody said every man marries children. Where did you get that? We are talking about the Quran which allows men to marry children so for pedophiles Islam is the right place to practice it legally. You have made a very wrong statement about your opponent.
You wrote, “Depending of the term child as an adult in USA is 18 but in a place such as Spain it is 13 (Christian country)”
Irrelevant response. We use the limit for the description of pedophilia. It is below 13. In USA it’s a teen who is 18 not a child in literal sense. They are not considered mature because they are still in educational process but it is actually ok to marry.
You wrote, “Again implying all Muslim men abuse children with no facts (Criminal offence to do in most western countries)”
And again accusing your opponent for something he didn’t do at all. You are a real prejudiced muslim. Read carefully of what I had posted. If you couldn’t understand anything then why did you even respond?
Quote my words that actually show that. If you failed I have the right to call you a liar. Ready?
You wrote, “Not all Muslim Men are paedophiles look to other places to find that”
Nobody thinks like that. You obviously have a reading problem.
You wrote, “Only a small % do this act in the era and many countries do not do this act again tarring all Muslim men on the % of a few doing this act.”
Source please. Child marriage is a widespread phenomenon (millions of girls) according to UNICEF and it involves muslim countries which has Islam as a sanction. Still it didn’t solve the problem and clear Muhammad’s name.
You wrote, “Read the facts of the many Muslim countries and the Law and report the facts not what you think is facts.”
Before you tell me to read why don’t you learn to read properly? You have made fact less posts all this time.
Learn before you post.
o.0
You wrote, “Not Islam or any religion just mankind trying to justify taking power using any excuse to do it”
Wrong, Islam is the real problem in this age because it still hasn’t changed. You didn’t pay any attention at all. You just denied everything you didn’t like. Muhammad is a part of mankind and so did his followers. Mankind created so many things to achieve its ambition including creating political religion.
You wrote, “Creating lies,mass hysteria and paranoia about others who do not agree with them on what they are doing”
Accusing anything you didn’t agree with this is indeed creating lies, petty denial, and critiqueophobia. You didn’t agree, that’s your opinion and opinion doesn’t prove anything.
You wrote, “Calling out one religion or group of people of doing an act yet turning a blind eye to another or yourself doing the same thing you are accusing others of doing”
Oh, where? Islam is the only one that still follows the original rule and mission from its founder. It still kills in the name of god and uses barbaric law. This is why Islam is the only one. You didn’t read anything eh? Try to read the article here about attacking Islam only.
You wrote, “Those who dislike Islam will try and find any reason to have it destroyed”
Those who dislike bitter truth about Islam will try to deny and give any unclear reason to have it destroyed. It’s easy to make statement like this.
o.0
Comments was not only directed towards you read the other comments above
Others saying comments about Muslim men which are not true
-JSOP
Not true according to who? You? Who are you that we should listen to you? As far as I can see you are just a terrorist who likes to insult.
''As far as I can see you are just a terrorist who likes to insult.''
And you are just an extremist Christian who is basing your hatred on your own fear and paranoia (See a psychologist to work out your issues with others that are different from you )
Yes John a terrorist that is saying shun violence and all Christians and Jews and Muslims should respect each other and live is peace
Good that you only make up the small % of Christians
You say you are in the army how can someone with your extremist views join the army?
(No surprise with all the massacres and rapes they do to innocents and justify it by saying they are just savages and animals or they brought it on themselves )
You can call me what you like I do not care as I do not need any praise from any extremist no mater what religion they belong to.
Many have tried to destroy Islam all have failed
-JSOP
Are insults and personal attacks all you are capable of?
This kind of weakness shows you are wrong in everything you say.
Allowing Muslims to join the army is a perfect example of extremists in the military. Was Hasan your best buddy?
Do you treat your fellow Muslim Army men this way ?
Do you say they are savages like you do to others on here ?
Do you call them Terrorist for being a Muslim?
Calling me a extremist because I am saying do not incite hatred and call innocent people terrorist to justify violence or make them have unwanted hatred that no innocent person deserves
Also saying I am a buddy with someone who resaulted to violence
Yes very stable to call me a terrorist when I have said what the extremist groups are doing is wrong
You are sure used to tarring innocents with the extremist brush and you posts shows this with your content praises of radical Muslim haters
Muslim is a terrorist for being a Muslim
This is a not only a disgrace to Christians but also to all the innocent Army and US people who are not like this and do not have this view
Violence is not the answer and I have said what the extremist are doing is not right and contradicting there faith many times (High jacking it for violence)
Many None Muslims believe this also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdhBw9-ggAI&NR…
I feel sorry for someone with this match hatred in there heart for a religion
JSOP
You have a serious psychological problem with your inability to distinguish between standing for a principle and personal behavior.
Furthermore, your behavior has been far worse than what you accuse me of.
Hah? You are replying me so don't try to shrug it off that easily. :p
No wrong statement Woman have more rights then the man read the marrying and treatment of woman in the Quran
Report the facts not distorted or lies
-JSOP
JSOP and other Muslim- The common trait when someone say something on Quran that is really from that book, you say" We really need to understand" Like we are devoid of understanding. You accuse people who are very smart and intelligent to not understand.
BTW why don't you use quotation from Quran to prove, instead of a blank statements. And then I will quote from the same Quran what the women are treated like. Don't judge Quran by the action of few good Muslims.
The Quran says it is a clear book to understand, so Muslims needing to reinterpret it to make it sound good to a Western audience is bidah (innovation), which the Quran strongly condemns, except when done to deceive Muslims.
One example of this pattern from David Wood:
Qur'an Error: Does the Sun Set in a Muddy Pool? (Surah 18:86)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHDgKnE9r0
A deeper analysis of taqiyya that includes permission to even criticize other Muslims:
How Taqiyya Alters Islam's Rules of War http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-o…
Not all Muslims believe in Taqiyya, Shia do, Sunni do not
It was used to protect Muslims from persecution and death
Your faith (Christian) had this also John K as I have explain what Taqiyya means
Read:
The practice of concealing one's beliefs in dangerous circumstances originates in the Qur'an, which deems blameless those who disguise their beliefs in such cases.
The practice of taqiyya in difficult circumstances is considered legitimate by Muslims of various sects. Sunni and Shi'a commentators alike observe that verse 16:106 refers to the case of 'Ammar b. Yasir, who was forced to renounce his beliefs under physical duress and torture.
Read about the Shia sects and the mass murders and string up of headless bodies of the martyrs.
Understand what someone is saying before accusing those who disagree with you with an innovation (Salafi do this to all Muslim sects other then Salafi with out understand all of the other Muslims sects information)
-JSOP
More info on Taqiyya:
Twelver Shi'a view
The doctrine of taqiyya was developed at the time of Ja'far al-Sadiq (d. 148 AH/765 AD), the sixth Imamiya Imam. It served to protect Shi'ites when Al-Mansur, the Abbasid caliph, conducted a brutal and oppressive campaign against Alids and their supporters.
Religious dissimulation or Taqiyya while maintaining mental reservation is considered lawful in Shi'ism "in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby".
Shi'is lived mostly as a minority among a frequently-hostile Sunni majority- until the rise of Safavid dynasty. This condition made taqiyya doctrine important to Shi'is.
Taqiyya holds a central place in Twelver Shi'a Islam. This is sometimes explained by the minority position Shi'ites had under the political dominance of Sunni Muslims, requiring them to protect themselves through concealment and dissimulation. In Shi'a legal literature, there is a range of situations in which taqiyya may be used or even required.
For Shi'a Muslims, taqiyya is to conceal their association with their faith when revealing it would result in danger. Taqiyya is done for reasons of safety. For example, a person may fear that he might be killed or harmed if he does not observe taqiyya. In this case, taqiyya is allowed.
However, in some circumstances taqiyya may lead to the death of an innocent person; if so, it is not permissible; it is haraam (forbidden) to kill a human being to save one's own life.
Some Shi'ites, though, advance taqiyya as a form of jihad, a sort of fighting against their adversaries.
Sunni Islam view:
Over the course of time, the majority Sunni Muslims, who maintained political hegemony in most areas of the Islamic world, rarely found it necessary to hide their beliefs.
In the Sunni view, denying your faith under duress is "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".
Al-Tabari comments on sura XVI, verse 108 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323, xxiv, 122): "If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, in order to escape his enemies, no blame falls on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe."
This verse was revealed after Ammar Yasir was forced by the idolaters of Mecca to recant his faith and denounce the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. Al-Tabari explains that concealing one's faith is only justified if the person is in mortal danger, and even then martyrdom is considered a noble alternative. If threatened, it would be preferable for a Muslim to migrate to a more peaceful place where a person may practice their faith openly, "since God's earth is wide."
No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence. Protecting one's belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar (إضطرار), which translates to "being forced" or "being coerced", and this word is not specific to concealing the faith.
Sunnis believe that it is allowed to deny faith under compulsion, threat, or fear of injury, as long as the heart remains firm in faith, but they also greatly disagree with some of the Shi'a points of view. While one is allowed to consume prohibited or haraam food to protect one's life under the jurisprudence of idtirar, some Sunni sources emphasize the fact that a person who prefers to proclaim their faith in the face of death will have a greater reward than they who deny their faith to save their lives.
For example, in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, known as the Fath al-Bari, it is stated that:
There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one's faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death].
Hope this clears up what Taqiyya is
-JSOP
So I am supposed to listen to what you say about taqiyya instead of what scholars say about it.
Those who are ''smart and intelligent '' (self self-proclaimed) can still be filled full of hate and have a personal bias towards a religion and no one person knows about every subject as you could be knowledgeable about one religion but clearly know nothing about another.
As one person is not all Knowledgeable in everything
(They are not God)
Germany was a country who was high in intellect yet still went along with harming the Jews
Moot point if you hate something it does not matter how smart someone claims to be they will hate it regardless of what anyone says
-JSOP
Go to Women in Islam section and try to answer rather than shouting empty words.
xD
>Yes, u can talk a lot of nonsense on paper but they are contradictory to the holy book. But in practice, many muslim women are badly treated n beaten by their husbands. The most treacherous thing in Pakistan, Bangladesh n Afghanistan is that the raped victims are charged with adultery instead, punishable by stonning. Go n visit them in the hospitals / prisons in these countrie before u talk about all yr made-up stories. U are using Taqiyya on yrself. Others are not fools to believe u.
//U are using Taqiyya on yrself. Others are not fools to believe u. //
Very intersiting point. Muslim use taqiyya on themself to keep them blindly attach to Islam.
No it was clearly used to hide ones self from Persecution or death ect clearly stated that all religions did this at one stage
(For Example Christians in Roman Era and Muslims in Spain)
What you are talking about has nothing to do what what I am taking about ( Taqiyya) read my post again
Those you are talking about doing these acts are Extremist Muslims.
Are the Muslim woman you are talking about who are in prison or stoned the same as them…the answer is no Muslims are evil yet those you are taking about are also Muslims who are being harmed by extremist Muslims
Learn the difference between an extremist and a normal everyday Muslim most people can
Not nonsense if you learned and knew what I was taking about.
Yes yes Muslim must be liar you tell ''truth'' even though most None Muslims, none bigoted, none radical sane people including the Pope says the same as what I am saying that Most Muslims are not Extremist Muslims you and those on this site only make up a small % of people that say all of Muslims and Islam is evil or from the devil ect
Don't worry relax no Muslim is out to get you now do some deep breathing. The Muslims are not all coming to somehow take over the world.
-JSOP
"Learn the difference between an extremist and a normal everyday Muslim most people can" We already know the difference between "extremist muslim" and "everyday muslim" the former believe in the koran and hadiths the latter don`t. You yourself believe islam should be implemented at state level. "the Pope says the same as what I am saying" Is this the same pope who when he quoted "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached" the muslims went on a rampage in palestine fire bombing churches and beheading christians in Iraq. Like Bill Maher said "Islam is a religion of peace and if you disagree we'll fricken cut your head off.”
That was a quote from 13th century book (he withdrew that comment ) This is the current Pope
Also went on to hold a peace conference with all faiths,
which I think is good as it is brings people together rather then to chaos
I am taking about the late pope who wrote the books
About was Islam spread by the sword that is a whole different subject all together and would have to go into great detail into History and would also go into ethics of the era and other religions ect
Extremist do bad acts that just like any extremist will do the same but that is also a entire different debate
Any form of extremist is bad
Can a Muslim be bad and do bad acts the answer is yes but so can the likes of any faith or group of people (High jacking anything for violence)
-JSOP
"Don't worry relax no Muslim is out to get you now do some deep breathing. The Muslims are not all coming to somehow take over the world." So you don`t believe islam should be in the state? Even though before you said a secular state is wrong and a islamic state is the best. So don`t come here lying, if you live in a secular country then you are trying to take over. No the muslims immigrants are not forcing their religion on anyone thay just want it implemented on state level. What is this nonsense you are talking?
''Even though before you said a secular state is wrong and a islamic state is the best''
Never said that I said I believe they can lack morals and can still be just as bad as any religious state if a extremist gets in
I was saying that any extremist form of State is bad no mater if it is Christian, Jew, Muslim or no religion at all
You miss understood my post
''So don`t come here lying,''
Read my post you are the one who is lying about what I said I clearly stated what I believed
''if you live in a secular country then you are trying to take over''
Proof of this is what? A few extremist are who are hurting innocent people and contradicting there faith (they kill Muslims also remember)
Not every Muslim is a terrorist that is Defamation of all Muslims and is a crime in most Western countries.
So because a small % of Muslims believe in what the extremist are doing you come to the conclusion that someone you do not know because they are Muslims must be somehow trying to take over that is not proof
''No the muslims immigrants are not forcing their religion on anyone thay just want it implemented on state level. What is this nonsense you are talking?''
Again not all of the immigrants are wanting Islamic Law
Take the time to talk to Muslims
(That means Muslims from all sects not just basing all of your facts on extremist Muslims or only Salafi as the true Muslims)
Not Nonsense if you truly try and understand what I am saying rather making up your mind before even talking to a Muslim
-JSOP
All do not be like these people
Watch :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GHHbIUxZY&NR…
"Never said that I said I believe they can lack morals and can still be just as bad as any religious state if a extremist gets in" Is a secular state immoral or not? No secular does not mean atheist it means religion is kept out of the government.
"Proof of this is what? A few extremist are who are hurting innocent people and contradicting there faith (they kill Muslims also remember)" No you said, you disagree with a secular state not me. Like i say to all the religious people just don’t force your religion (or your religious laws) on me and i have no problem with you.
''No you said, you disagree with a secular state not me''
Never said one was better then the other I said both can be bad that is all I said do not put words in my mouth and do not distort what I said
JSOP
"Not every Muslim is a terrorist that is Defamation of all Muslims and is a crime in most Western countries." I never said all people who call themselves Muslims are terrorists. But terrorism is in the koran and was practiced by Muhammad (who is recorded in one hadith as saying i was made victorious by terror.)
Parroting word for word of those radical Muslim haters Robert Spencer, Mosab Hassan Yousef , Geert Wilders and many others who would profit off harming Muslims and Islam
-JSOP
No it is not from wilders or robert spencer or anyone else it is from the hadith.
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
It's just part of their usual ad hominem character assassination style. Spencer et al just read hadith, Quran and Sira the same as Ali Sina. A constant flood of character assassination is followed complaints at being called a terrorist.
Before you use a word I suggest you understand what it means.
There is a difference between someone claiming to be smart and using words to look smart then actually being smart and knowing what they are talking about.
So you constant put downs of Muslims and name calling and threats are not a character assassination ?
Wait you are not going to say I am going to burn in hell are you ? (Play God)
On the Hadith it really depends on what sect you belong to
So you see the one word terror mentioned out of the entire Hadith and you all jump to the conclusion on that one word to terrorism (current era word)
-JSOP
"Before you use a word I suggest you understand what it means."
You probably don't meet the prerequisites to take one of my linguistics classes.
"There is a difference between someone claiming to be smart and using words to look smart then actually being smart and knowing what they are talking about."
You are just an amateur challenging professionals and having an attitude of superiority while you are at it.
"So you constant put downs of Muslims and name calling and threats are not a character assassination ?"
Define put down. Be specific about what you think I said that is a put down. As far as I can see, your position is that criticizing Islam is a put down of Muslims. You do not know how to distinguish ideology from people.
"Wait you are not going to say I am going to burn in hell are you ?"
It's called giving you a taste of your own medicine.
"(Play God)"
Yes, you do play God, following the perfect example of your prophet who was the first Muslim to play God.
"On the Hadith it really depends on what sect you belong to"
Which Hadiths does your sect reject? You are just dodging and avoiding being pinned down by the evidence. This site only uses the sahih hadiths.
"So you see the one word terror mentioned out of the entire Hadith and you all jump to the conclusion on that one word to terrorism (current era word)"
Do a word count. Your knowledge of Islam is superficial and uninformed. Or you are a liar.
''You are just an amateur challenging professionals and having an attitude of superiority while you are at it''
Claiming to be a professional does not make you a professional as you have made many mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USc1P1_Z_LM&fe…
''It's called giving you a taste of your own medicine. ''
Never said you were going to burn in hell you on the other hand have
Do not tar me with a bad deed that you did but alas you are used to doing this
Its ok I do not really care what a few extremist try and say as you do not make up the majority of Christians and Jews and the world will not sit on it hands and let fanatic extremist try and persecute an entire Religion and try and justify it
You and others on here are not God and are violating the Rights of Muslims I do not care who you are what you think you are and what you claim to know but you all will not succeed in this hatred you are spewing from your mouth as you are not all above the law.
-JSOP
"you have made many mistakes."
So far you haven't shown me any, but I have shown yours.
"Never said you were going to burn in hell"
No, but you haven't ceased your terrorist behavior.
"Do not tar me with a bad deed that you did but alas you are used to doing this"
Can't stand your own medicine?
"Its ok I do not really care what a few extremist try"
Your empty opinion again. Ad hominem character assassination fallacy. I am not going to waste my time with you if you can't hold a proper conversation.
"You and others on here are not God and are violating the Rights of Muslims"
Could you please tell me which right that is? You on the other hand have been violating the rights of Muslims for 1400 years. Just look at the evening news.
"this hatred you are spewing from your mouth"
Your belligerent opinion is meaningless.
"you are not all above the law."
What law might that be? On the other hand, what is your role in the "no-go" zones that law enforcement doesn't dare to enter?
''No, but you haven't ceased your terrorist behavior. ''
What is this terrorist behaviour you are accusing me of (defamation of my character and slander)
You have threaten violence I have not
I have said that all terrorist are wrong in what they do
This it not terrorist acts this is someone saying don't make comments that Muslims are potential terrorist and savages when you do not know me or every Muslim to make that judgement
''Could you please tell me which right that is? You on the other hand have been violating the rights of Muslims for 1400 years. Just look at the evening news. ''
This comment shows you do not know what Islam is or its history and judge an entire religion on the evening News this is not logic
Violating the rights of Muslims, Slandering, Inciting hatred, threatening and inciting Violence, Decimation against a person due to someone being a Muslim
Shall I go on ?
-JSOP
"On the Hadith it really depends on what sect you belong to" What does that mean? If one sect says this is an example from Muhammad and another says no this a Fabrication, who is right? Anyway they would not be sects but different religions (for all intents and purposes).
"So because a small % of Muslims believe in what the extremist are doing you come to the conclusion that someone you do not know because they are Muslims must be somehow trying to take over that is not proof" No i am not saying all Muslims are trying to take over. Though i will ask where are the "moderate Muslims" why are they not at least as angry as i am? Why are they not protesting en masses against the "extremists"? Or calling for them to be deported? Or where are the scholars issuing fatwa’s against the killings in Darfur and the suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq? Or when a person is sentenced to death for writing a work of fiction or when the president of Afghanistan incites a mob after a pastor in Florida burns a Koran? Where is the Muslim outrage about that? Where are the scholars saying this is unacceptable behaviour from the followers of the prophet?
Reread my post about countries and Laws rather then assuming what I am saying
There are many who disagree with violence but alas you never hear about it in the news as they only highlight the violence in Islam to justify invading lands and wars ect (Art of War)
You forget to mention that the Quran burning was inciting the Muslims and was not right to do (It is wrong not matter the religion) but that is an entire different subject
Suicide Bombing is a contradictions of Islam as it is hurting an innocent and taking there life and it is harming oneself with are both contradictions of the Quran
I have read many post about Muslims calling to deport those who violate the Laws of the land as they are committing crimes and are giving Islam a bad name but again you seem to never hear of that.
This violence is not Islam
1 % of Extremist do not represent the other 99% of Muslims
JSOP
"There are many who disagree with violence but alas you never hear about it in the news as they only highlight the violence in Islam to justify invading lands and wars ect (Art of War)" As far as i remember George Bush (junior) came out and said “Islam is a religion of peace” and who ever cited the violent teachings of Islam to justify any war? Unless you mean when Pakistan invaded Bangladesh and killed them and raped their women because the Pakistani clerics declared them kaffirs. Or did Saddam do it when he invaded, occupied and annexed Kuwait?
“You forget to mention that the Quran burning was inciting the Muslims and was not right to do (It is wrong not matter the religion) but that is an entire different subject “ Why would the followers of a alleged religion of peace go out and kill UN workers over a burning of a book? No burning ink and paper is not a crime (unless you don’t own it) regardless of whether it claims to be the perfect word of the creator of the universe or not.
Never said it was right to kill them not where did I say that was right in my post again trying to make me look like I said something which I never said
Those crimes were committed by extremist Muslims not everyday Muslims learn the difference
Everyday Muslims disregard the Quran. That's how they are able to preserve their humanity. But because they accept the Quran as the word of God, they are like disease carriers because at anytime the Quran's violent teachings can become activated within them.
John K said : ''But because they accept the Quran as the word of God, they are like disease carriers ''
This comment shows your hatred for Islam
Comparing another's faith as a disease
What about respecting your fellow man ?
''Everyday Muslims disregard the Quran. That's how they are able to preserve their humanity.''
Assumption not based on facts as you do not know all Muslims to make this static (Stereotyping innocents for deeds they did not commit )
-JSOP
John K said ''at anytime the Quran's violent teachings can become activated within them''
Anyone can be violent if they choose to be as everyone has the struggle between doing Right and wrong deeds
Violence and Terrorism are not limit to Islam
-JSOP
But Islam is the only religion that prescribes violence. Peaceful Muslims ignore Islam's teachings.
"This comment shows your hatred for Islam"
No, it's a professional analysis of a medical condition.
"What about respecting your fellow man ?"
Again, you show you are unable to distinguish between people and ideologies. Are you deficient in intelligence because you are a woman? Do you even know where that verse is?
"Assumption not based on facts as you do not know all Muslims to make this static (Stereotyping innocents for deeds they did not commit )"
Fact, not assumption. You would be a better commenter if you prepared yourself with some facts yourself.
“Never said it was right to kill them not where did I say that was right in my post again trying to make me look like I said something which I never said” Well you did seem to be implying it, because those savages had been “incited” by Jones they could not be held responsible for their actions.
“Those crimes were committed by extremist Muslims not everyday Muslims learn the difference” Is burning the Koran according to a “everyday Muslim” like you a crime or not?
“Suicide Bombing is a contradictions of Islam as it is hurting an innocent and taking there life and it is harming oneself with are both contradictions of the Quran” What about the rocket attacks or the car bombs? Or any attack that targets civilians?
“This violence is not Islam” Yes it is.
“1 % of Extremist do not represent the other 99% of Muslims” I never made such claim.
''What about the rocket attacks or the car bombs? Or any attack that targets civilians? ''
That is also contradicting Islam as they are killing innocents
''This violence is not Islam” Yes it is. ''
“1 % of Extremist do not represent the other 99% of Muslims” I never made such claim.''
This answers it's self
JSOP
In Islam unbelievers are not innocent.
Learn Arabic to read the Quran and the Hadiths (all sects)
Learn Hebrew to read the Torah
Learn Latin to read the Bible
-JSOP
Sorry. Latin is not the language of the Bible. When will you cease to embarrass yourself with your bad information?
Besides your statement is a fallacy anyway. The meaning of the books can be gained by a translation. Check the original language in case of a dispute about the meaning of a translation of a verse.
What verse are you disputing? How do you think it would be better translated?
Never said it was I just rather the bible in Latin that is all
Many things can change in translations.
-JSOP
By the way can you read latin greek and hebrew? Sure things get lost in translation, but For the most part the meaning stays the same. Do the members of the UN or the EU have time to learn ten’s of languages just so they can understand perfectly?
Hebrew and Greek.
No Espanola and no Latina !!
Yes scholars learn Hebrew and Greek and lot of work and research have been done in the Bible. You can get a pHD in Bible.
But if a regular person have to understand the fundamental of God and His love in Bible , you don't have to learn Hebrew or Greek.
"That is also contradicting Islam as they are killing innocents" Do you consider unbelievers and Jewish Israelis to be innocent?
"This answers it's self" No it doesn’t if 99% of the supporters of hamas were genuinely peaceful does that mean the hamas constitution is peaceful?
Already answered these in other posts
-JSOP
You don't answer anything about Islam, you know. :p
It's like the old 7-Up commercial – never has, never will.
That would be better because:
The mother can find another person who can really love her, nobody wants to stay with someone who doesn't care about his spouse.
so when we marry again we dont love our wife???
that not like that
ALLAH is understand their people,
so they make poeple have complexity about feeling of love.
feeling to protect woman who not married and others,
so they make man can marry more than one,
ALLAH is undesrtand mankind…
majority in islam mary more than one because to protect woman who cannot mary..
and first wife accept that,that is truly telorance in mary.
Islam doesn’t have marriage based on love, but duty to:
1. Allah
2. Husband
3. Islamic mission to procreate
You have to bring proof about love in marriage. Polygyny in Islam came from the view that women couldn't stand on their own and inferior. That's why you have this kind of relationship. If you really want to help them then use better effort such as allowing them to earn their own money and giving them equal rights. Not everything comes from sex, you know.
ALLAH say "we make people make up with varies feel"
so love include…
when you want mary, of course you has responsible as wife to husband
and when you chose live as muslim of course u has responsibty to ALLAH
and when your prophet is MUHAMMAD of course you has responsiblity MUHAMMAD
and you marry of course you has love,
like love between MUHAMMAD and AISYA
owh, sweet
Allah said, "from that variety of people you have to bring them in to one umbrella called Islam, if refuse, kill them or make them dhimmi".
Nothing is special from stating the obvious, kid. In many occasions, Allah stated what the eyes could see. Making different tribes was not going to make people know each other instantly. It would create war, division, and racism first. If Allah want humans to know each other well he should make it one race with one characteristic so that chaos can be prevented.
People who have different behavior, feeling, culture or identity is formed by their upbringing, their group. These groups will create different "ism" and will clash with each other. It's not about how the people behave but how about Islamic behavior should be.
When you marry your wifes you have the rights to treat them as property. You had bought their sex and service. This is what Allah has in mind, not people's feeling.
Nope, you are married for many reasons be it wealth, duty, or forced by situation and in Islam, love is not there.
Yeah, so sweet until all his wives hated and fought each other for this old man (guess what, for wealth and share too). You can't love many women and child girl, can you? Love between husband and wife involve loyalty. It will futile to call it love it you cheat or have someone else in mind. If you call it duty, it will be more appropriate, like feeding your pet, slave, or employee.
Stockholm Syndrome mate.
Pathetic excuse. You should be ashamed of your response. IF YOU SO WANT TO PROTECT WOMEN< THEN SPEND SOME MONEY< BUILD HER A HOUSE AND FIND A SUITABLE MATE FOR HER> YOU DON"T NEED TO MARRY !! TO PROTECT. You hide you sins behind the shameful curtain of Islam.
FIRST WIFE Accepts!! TRUE TOLARANCE MY FOOT!!
DO you even know how much it would hurt her if she truly loved her husband, For her to share her man with someone else. You pathetic hell hole, i hate muslim men, who gives these sorry pathetic reason.
Set your house (own wife and kids) in order first, before protecting another women.
Nonie Darwish spoke of the insecurity Egyptian women feel even on their first marriage because right there on the marriage license are the blank spaces for 3 more wives, and so the women live in a sense of insecurity never knowing when their husbands will fill up the other spaces with their new wives.
Muslim marital behavior both in polygamy and pedophilia has caused many dysfunctions, primarily affecting the lack of available brides for young men and sending them in frustration to the jihad.
Women in the west particularly Christian women don't have the constant fear of her husband bringing her a suitable other women to share her man. Women in west have the backing of the scriptures plus the law , One man for one woman!! People who cheat on there spouse (man or woman) you will find plenty. But again you have choice, to walk out, to divorce. It is not to stone the women and flog the man of infidelity. And what does muslims do, cover up the infidelity and lust and give it the name of marriage. Call a spade a spade !! Don't call it something else. When it cheating, adultery, fornication even in west or east it is cheating, adultery, fornication.
You accuse Muslims of doing something which they are not doing then throwing out insults.
Report the truth not lies and truly understand what you are saying before opening your month.
-JSOP
Another generalized statement and denial.
But the statement is true and is from Quran. Did your profit not want to dump the chubby old Sauda. Poor women why did she had to trade her night with the child bride.
When I told you to watch out the Creator of the world guard Israel, and beat the enemies of Israel like Hitler, Saddam and Qaddafi you did not believe me…
Israel is " I is real " n Iran is " I, (the people) ran away from Iran to escape the radioactive fallout when Israel attack its nuclear-bomb making facilities in the near future. All hell will break loose in ME countries.
wwaauuu, stupid person play with work,after that they think that is true..
israel is copy from our culture..
puuiii
Torah first then Bible then only Quaran..Muslims are copycats
@ topijerami90
You wrote: "in ISlam,mankind must learn from everywhere.. school,madrasah.. "
Tell me why can't muslims learn TOLERANCE from other religions/atheism/sources ?
Why can't they tolerate an opposing viewpoint ?
Why must they kill anyone who deviates even a bit from their viewpoint , e.g. Ahmadiyyas, Bahais, etc. ?
U forgot to mention the very important one i.e. the Sunni n the Shiatte are killing each other for centuries since the death of Mo. Both are the main Islamic sects. No use debating with a person who has a weak mind.
haish..
who cannot accept ISLAM is kafir,because of that, vlog like this existance..
we accept you..
and when come to debate all other religions lose to islam…
when they lose they will say islam is not tolerance…
eh,loser, dont like to lose, please do not debate with islam, please go eat meat drink milk and open your bible=wiki
Debate? Where? I see you bring only insult. Ngaco loe.
Why don't you answer my queries here? Just click my profile. Until this day no muslim dare to answer.
We? Who? Islam doesn't accept other religions and that's proven.
@ Topidoremi90, Israel is for real becoz no Islamic power nor yr god can destroy it. Iran is hell-bent on making nuke bomb to finish off Israel. So Israel is also hell-bent on destroying Iran's nuke facillities. So my prediction will come true. Help. quickily go n fight for Iran, topijerami or rather skullcap-do-re-mi.
shiah and israel is friends, i dont believe shiah, they is create by jews
Proof? :p
i will give you a proof…
just wait and see…
The pride is talking, eh?
xD
yes, pride as musli,,
just wait when me get free day..
i dont want give you a simple prrof,conclusion,…
a very brief..
Hah? Of course I know that. You muslims have inflated ego and high pride, often bite more than you can chew. Even if you are defeated you will still feel you have won.
Oh, a very brief post, like your brain maybe? It's very brief and my eyes almost see nothing of it. It feels like nothing there. o.0
Well the shia say the same about the sunni. Bin laden by the way actually was a jew (according to the muslims anyway). But i will take it one step futher how do you know then "the jews" (who can do just aabout everything), did not invent islam and muhammed?
ah, not same, shia not accept MUHAMMAD as prophet with fully…
and they admit it..
Really, anyway you did not answer the question how can you know that muhammed was not a jew(or was a myth invented by the jews)? How do you know you`re not a jew or that the jews are not controlling you right now? If those all-powerful jews can create whole religions, peoples and nations then how can you be sure? You could be just a pawn on their chess board for all you know, unknowingly carrying out their plan of world domination.
Read about the Shia and other sects all are Muslims (do not state something which is false and try and pass it of a a truth)
All Christians Jews and Muslims are people of God
-JSOP
So they should love one another to live peacefully in this difficult world, and not go to wars merely based on instructions from all the "holy" books.
You have strayed from your last post about this one.
Ya, they are all friends created by god, who also created USA n UK who created Israel. They all strike terrors to the muslims. So god is great but also the greatest………………TERRORIST, BECOZ HE CREATED EVERYTHING "BAD" TO U. SO U STILL PRAY TO HIM……………for what ?
When god gives u a lemon, u should make it into lemonade. Make all yr enemies as yr friends, then all things bad becomes good. Don't betray yr friends. If u do, they can become terrors to u.
A nice work sir you could provide many info…. thank u
Plus why are the muslim man always very eager to protect younger women. What about the protect womem in 70s, 80s and 90s. WOuld you marry these women to protect them.
Muhammad wanted to divorce Sauda the old woman. She had to trade her turn to Aisha in order to stay alive.
Muhammad must had been showing sign of dislike and displeasure. :p
As usual Dr Ali Sina, is putting to rest another malicious mail circulation with pictures as evidence.
Thank you for saving us non muslims the humilation having to answer such a query.
Thank you again Dr Sina.
In the first picture itself, there are good concrete buildings nearby, that are still standing. Maybe people in there would have escaped. The thatched ones built with mud and clay instead of cement are the ones that have been pulled down.
Also I find it worry that you and others think Muslims have no rights.
What does that remind everyone of ?
-JSOP
this is not a supernatural. the reality is when people Build a worship place, the put maximum effort , Build with strong foundation, those are resistible, look surrounding build with poor way. but some mosque build very poor way those are failing down . don';t loose your faith with super natural believe.Allaha is just of all.
huda
But u should remember that no disaster is a disaster when no human lives around it. It could be a mere nature's force as what people usually say. This as well goes to your understanding : What you eventually think of an event, is simply what you're meant to be learned. It could be a warning for the muslims who lived nearby the ruined mosque, as well as a prove of the power of God to choose one / some among many mosques to be saved from destruction.
That means disaster is human perception. When it happens when no one is around you call it natural phenomena but when there is human around you call it disaster. Coincidence would be more accurate.
I don't think the disaster reach any point you've assumed because it happens to all religions and people, let alone building. Beside, "to be saved" is a misnomer since god is supposed to be controlling this nature.
the word Coincidence has many sides of understanding. It reduces the (perception of) intentionality behind things that stumbled upon or happens to you or other people at the same time. if we choose not to make meaning out of it, it is when we usually describe something as a coincidence. BUT, it won't automatically remove the intention off the incidence, because you choose to ignore it in the first place. It's really up to our own choice.
The only way you could know the presence of intention is by asking the subject who did it (But still it really depends on whether you have some degree of trust to the answer), The other way is by knowing about any hints of possible intention on previous similar incidences that have happened to you or other people before you. thus you'll make an inference that it is not a mere coincidence, correct? and I guess most major religions have had stories about how to comprehend such disastrous events. it's just how far the people believe what happen now contains the intentionality of what have happened before.
to make something has some degree of meaning, we need these to happen first: 1. the event should be noticed (comes to your realization). 2. there are other knowledge (told or self-learned, and then believed) related to such event. So, If you say that God is 'suppose' to be controlling this nature, then probably you should ask yourself how far is your understanding of a controlled situation based on how nature's work (not your assumption) and how much do you know about what it takes to control this universe anyway?
That's a pretty good analysis. The next step is whether God is interventionalist or not. I think he left us here to learn how to manage the situation ourselves. David Berlinsky answers the Holocaust question by saying that the flattening of Germany by the Allied bombardment is as good a divine retribution as anything in the Old Testament. My Military History specialty was WWII Europe. In reading the accounts of battles when things should have gone in favor of the Nazis but didn't because of something odd, stupid, or Hitler's incompetent intervention, it seemed like the hand of God subtly shaping the outcome. But if it's time for a plate to shift, I don't think God is going to hold it back just to prevent a tsumami from killing people. God has instituted natural laws and generally is an upholder of law rather than an exempter. On the other hand, I think he is very active in guiding the lives of individuals for their good through influence on thought and feeling. I don't have a problem with the Fermi Paradox because I believe God runs a universe of order and doesn't let people come to interfere with our development any more than a mother will let strangers in off the street to mess with the kids in the playroom.
ISLAM=Stupid, Lazy, Rubbish, Problem, Lie, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Pedophilia, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist
salamou alaikoum. ALISINA dont be like those who have a heart harden then the stones . be cause from the biganing you were talking to people about islam through what muslims do and show the miracles of islam through what few muslims have said abt thise or that… But a true scientist should be objectif…go through sciptues and say the truth that there is a verse in quran wich says : fight those who fight you and do not transgress…ect……..and allah dont like those who r transgressors ..tell them that r so many other in wich says ……that god allmighty will close the hearts of the people like this so that they cant understand the real meaning of islam only thrugh their good deeds….So dont think that god allmighty will guide you just be cause you know the truth…itw not the brain who guide you to the light itw your hearts….all what you said abtr islam and its miracles is wrang b cose u are searching where you aill find no thing then Hatred….
You organisation should deffend jesus christ and make all ur time and ur whole life looking to understand what jesus christ said and what is his messages if u are so christian…and same thing if you are jewish or any other faith or religion…..muslims are the best nations on earth and the first and the last who take care of their faith-religion- look to their holy places and area llok at the nice mosques as u said give their best to build mosques…and so on……all ur time ur money ur life to destroy islam but inn the end see the last statistics abt islam try to up dates ur brain abt what is really happening in the world
more then 200 000 american converted to islam in USA eatch year and 680 000 in the world best of them are stars and scientist the have no thing to do with islam but with sciene and facts..u and ur org r wasting ur time ..if u stay thlike that u loosers……….. good luck
Why Muslims are so dumb ?? Question of the century…
Don't worry, we, Muslim learn that all non-muslims will go to hell and will beg for second life to pray for the real God, Allah.
Don't be too happy. Our space scientists have sent their rockets n satellites into space n to the cosmos. With their very powerful satellite telescopes, they could not see any paradise, nor hell, nor the throne nor mansions of yr god. Sorry, huh ! With millions of photos taken, they could not find any traces of God, nor angels nor jinns.
I know you won\’t believe this but I will tell you anyway. I was taken to the next world and was shown the paradise and hell. What I saw was shocking. I saw Muhammad in the bottom of hell and all Muslims are in hell. I was given the duty to save Muslims from hell. But I was told I must only use reason and logical arguments and not my own experience in heaven and hell as evidence. So you don\’t have to believe in that. But pay attention to my logical arguments or you will go to where Muhammad is, and that is not a good place.