Mubahila: The Islamic Cursing Tournament

Mubahila, is a silly practice that Muhammad institutionalized in the Quran. When he was still not powerful to kill his detractors, he would invite them to curse each other so the one who is wrong may die. This practice is called mubahila. It is utterly nonsense but Muslims can’t discard it because it is in the Quran.

In April 2008 Mr. Shabir Bhatti, a Muslim from Pakistan challenged me to mubahila. Here is our discussion.

 

Shabir Bhatti [email protected]

date Tue, Apr 22, 2008
subject Invitatation to mubahila

This is an invitation to Ali Sina to a mubahila in order for God to decide who is wrong and who is right.

Ali Sina,
I have read all the rubbish you have written on your website.
I do not even see it right to argue with someone like you so i have a different way to solve this.

I am extending to you an invitation to a mubahila, I will pray to my God with my beliefs and you pray to whomever you believe and the first one to die in 90 days was wrong.

If you think you are right and are willing to accept my offer contact me with an acceptance.

We will wait for 90 days after your acceptance and see who was wrong.

If you do not accept this then i advice you remove your website.

I am forwarding this website to as many people as i can with reference to your website so that there are witnesses.

I advise you to do the same.

Waiting for your reply.

Shabir Bhatti ([email protected])

I replied:

And how do we know who won at the end of 90 days?

 

The person who is wrong will not live to see the 91st day. If i am wrong i will die before the end of the third month and if you are wrong you will.
Do you accept?

Mr. Shabir Bhatti:

I accept that you pray so I die within 90 days. I will however not pray for your death, but rather your enlightenment. I harbor no ill faith towards anyone. I consider Muslims as primary victims of a lie and my goal is to help them see the truth, leave their cult, prosper and live happily ever after. Praying for people’s death is against my values. I do not consider it as an ethical thing to do. Actually I think it is stupid. There are many people that I wish to die soon and go to hell, such as Osama Bin Laden, the despots in Iran, etc. However, I don’t sit there prying for their death. That would be waste of my time.

You seem to think that by invoking evil on me, I will die. Now, the fact is that anyone can die at any time. No one can be certain to live the next day. So there is always a chance that either one of us die in these coming 90 days. This should be attributed to chance and not to the effect of cursing. Therefore, assuming I die within 90 days, it is no proof that I died because you cursed me. However, what if I don’t die? It will prove that your cursing has had no effect and that your Allah is bogus. What will you do if you see me still kicking after the lapse of 90 days? Will you then accept the fact that Islam is a lie? Allah in the Qur’an establishes mubahila as a legitimate form of finding the truth.

3.61: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: “Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!”

Since I don’t believe in this nonsense and I don’t wish you harm, I am not going to pray for your demise, but I welcome your curses. You are also authorized to call upon all the Muslims you can find, and those who read this (I am going to publish this exchange) to join you in cursing me and invoking evil on me so I may die within 90 days. I suggest you write to all the Islamic sites and ask them to advertise this unilateral mubahila. Go to Muslims’ comments page in faithfreedom.org site and write to all the Muslims who wished me dead to join you in this “mighty” enterprise. If millions of Muslims join, your cursing may have more strength.

However, if after this period I am still alive, will you start questioning the truth of the Quran and the claim of Muhammad? Will this be enough for you to see that Muhammad was a liar?

While Jesus asked for forgiveness for those who crucified him, Muhammad had so much hatred in his heart for those who rejected him that he often cursed them.

Here are a few examples:
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 397:
Narrated Salim’s father:
That he heard Allah’s Apostle, when raising his head from bowing of the first Rak’a of the morning prayer, saying, “O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so” after he had said, “Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him. Our Lord, all the Praises are for you!” So Allah revealed:– “Not for you (O Muhammad! )……(till the end of Verse) they are indeed wrong-doers.” (3.128) Salim bin ‘Abdullah said’ “Allah’s Apostle used to invoke evil upon Safwan bin Umaiya, Suhail bin ‘Amr and Al-Harith bin Hisham. So the Verse was revealed:– “Not for you (O Muhammad!)……(till the end of Verse) For they are indeed wrong-doers.” (3.128)

The verse 3:128 says, it is up to Allah to decide whether he would punish people or not. That cunning psychopath was a master manipulator. He knew his curses will have no effect and his imaginary Allah is only a figment of his imagination. He put these words in the mouth of his god so his followers don’t come to see that he is just a liar with no powers. Unlike you who seem to actually believe in this nonsense to the extent that you bet your life  on it, Muhammad knew  that he was lying. He left for himself a scape rout. If his opponents died, he would claim victory and if they didn’t he would say Allah chose not to punish them.

This is another version of the same hadith:
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 83:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Whenever Allah’s Apostle intended to invoke evil upon somebody or invoke good upon somebody, he used to invoke (Allah after bowing (in the prayer). Sometimes after saying, “Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him, all praise is for You, O our Lord,” he would say, “O Allah. Save Al-Walid bin Al-Walid and Salama bin Hisham, and ‘Aiyash bin Abu Rabi’a. O Allah! Inflict Your Severe Torture on Mudar (tribe) and strike them with (famine) years like the years of Joseph.” The Prophet used to say in a loud voice, and he also used to say in some of his Fajr prayers, “O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so.” naming some of the Arab tribes till Allah revealed:–“Not for you (O Muhammad) (but for Allah) is the decision.” (3.128)

These are the teachings of that evil soul:
Book 009, Number 3562:
Ibn ‘Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked a person from the Anger and his wife to invoke curse (upon one another in order to testify to their truthfulness), and then effected separation between them.

Is invoking curse upon one another the right way to find the truth? What about fact finding, investigation, dialogue, reasoning and logic? Muhammad and his followers want nothing to do with them. They have no understanding of these terms. All they can do is curse and if that doesn’t work, terrorism will do. What a pathetic religion!

Regards
Ali Sina

Mr. Bhatti replied:

Do you believe in the supreme God, the God of the heavens and the earth, the God who created all things?

Mr. Bhatti:

Whether I believe in God or not does not change the fact that Islam is a lie. Let us say that I believe in God. What Islam has to do with God? This is like the followers of David Koresh, the mad man who started a religion and caused the death of tens of his followers say if you believe in God you should believe in David Koresh. I see no connection between God and Muhammad. Muhammad was a charlatan liar. This pervert man had no understanding of God. He used God to fool people. This argument often used by Muslims is a non sequitur.

This is not about me praying for you to die or you praying for me to die, this is about both of us praying to God to decide who is wrong and who is right.

God already knows which one of us is wrong. Why would he need that we curse each other and invoke his wrath on one another to decide which one is wrong? Isn’t that silly? Only an idiot man like Muhammad could come up with this asininity. You and I live in this age of enlightenment. We should not let a lunatic ignoramus fool us with his lies. If the idea is for God to make people see the truth, then all he has to do is open the eyes of those who are misguided.

Beacause if I am right, then you have comitted a grave sin and if you are right then I will happily accept the punishment of God Almighty for being ignorant.

Sin is in terrorizing, causing harm and doing evil. Ignorance is not a sin. People believe in all sorts of things with sincerity. They are so sure of their beliefs that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe. However, not all beliefs are true. Believing in lies is not a sin, it is ignorance. I believed in Islam, when I learned the truth, I stopped believing in it. This does not mean I was a sinner because I believed in a lie. I was only ignorant of the truth. Now let us say I am wrong and Islam is true. I have committed no sin. I have come to this conclusion based on the evidences that I have found. I am challenging anyone to prove me wrong and I will change my mind again. God wants us to use our brain so we are not misled. I used mine and found out that Muhammad is not leading me to God but to evil. I stopped believing in him. Do you think I am wrong? Why don’t you show my errors? Why do you instead want to invoke the curse of God on me so I die? This makes no sense. I know it does not make sense to you either, but you rehash this nonsense because you think Muhammad was a real messenger of God and believe in every absurdity that that crazy man believed.

I assure you that God will not punish ignorant people. If there is punishment, it is only for evil-doers such as Muhammad and those of his followers who harm other people. He was the one who raided, looted, raped and assassinated innocent people, not me. He was the one who fooled people with his lies and made them kill one another while promising them orgies in paradise, not me. He was the one who made people slaves, both physically and mentally and threatened them against using their brain, not me. If I am mistaken, I am only an ignorant person and no real God will punish ignorant people, especially when I am asking Muslims to come forth and show my errors. But Muhammad cannot get off the hook. He committed too many crimes and if there is a hell, you can bet that he is the one burning.

If you do not believe in the one God then its a different matter. In that case call for the help of whatever you believe in.

Mr. Bhatti God has already given his help to us. He has given to everyone a brain and the faculty to think. This is all we need to find the truth. There is no need for us to invoke evil on each other and pray for one another’s death to see who is right. How do you find your sustenance? Do you sit there all day praying for food? If you do that you will die of hunger. You go out and earn your living through work. You use your talent and your hands to earn your bread. Food does not fall on your lap from the sky. You must earn it. You should do the same when you want to find the truth. Read, ponder and use your brain. Alas, so many people cannot use their brain when it comes to important things such as truth. They rather believe blindly in a charlatan.

This is not the first time the mubahila has been used and its authencity is recorded in history.
In the case that you are still alive after the given period, i promise i will (Allah forgive me) denounce Islam and join you.

Okay. If it takes this for you to see that Islam is a lie, I accept your challenge. How about starting today? Remember that people die, whether right or wrong. So if I die in these 90 days it is not the definite proof that Islam is true. But if I don’t die, it is definite proof that Islam is a lie and Muhammad was just a crazy man with no understanding of God.

What i need from you is a clear acceptance, In the words I (your name) accept this mubahila or a clear rejection.
If you reject it, then you have to take down your website and tell all those you have infected that you are wrong.

I have already accepted. So let us establish the date of the publication of this debate (Apr 22, 2008) as the start of this unilateral muhahila. Since I am not praying for your death, I expect you to write after 90 days and declare your apostasy. If you don’t write, people will think that you are dead and that your cursing has backfired. And that God finally got tired of you and took your life to show you the truth in the other word. So if you are still alive, you must write and declare your apostasy. This is your own term. After all why would you want to believe in a religion that according to your and Muhammad’s parameter is false?

I do not want to get into a debate about authencity of things. You extended a challenge and you except people to accept it. So here i am extending you a challenge, if you believe you are right why not just accept it.

Waiting for your acceptance or rejection.

Shabir Bhatti

I agree with your challenge. I am also going to publish your email address so those who want to join you in your effort can contact you. I also urge you to contact any Islamic organization and mosque and give me their names so I can publish them. I want a lot of Muslims join this cursing marathon. If you are an angry Muslim and believe in the nonsense of muhahila please join the party. Haply, at the end, those who took part in this silly enterprise will see the stupidity of it and will start questioning Islam.

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Mr. Shabir Bhatti sent this email:

I have read the article, and i am very happy you did so. Now the matter is in Allah’s hands.

Shabir Bhatti

Mubahila Part II 

After publishing my response to Mr. Shabir Bhatti who invited me to a tournament of cursing and invoking the wrath of God on each other to find the truth, I asked him the following.

Mr. Bhatti,

Are you going to accept that Muhammad was a liar if after 90 days I am still alive?
This is what he responded:

from: Shabir Bhatti <[email protected]>
date Sun, Apr 27, 2008
subject Re: Invitatation to mubahila

I will accept all that you say if you are still alive after 3 months if you accept openly that if your death occurs within 3 months, it is proof that you were wrong and you will ask one of you colleagues now to take down the website after you are gone and to promise not to pretend to be Ali Sina.

Mr. Bhatti:

People die without warning. No one can be sure to live the next hour. It is silly to say that in case I die, it proves that Islam is true. That makes no sense. Is there any guarantee that without your curses I will live the next 90 days so that we can conclude that if I die it is the result of your cursing? I know you are a Muslim and as such not acquainted with logic, but please do the extra effort. If I die it is no proof that I died because you cursed me and therefore Islam must be true. On the contrary if I survive, it is proof that Islam is false. You have entered in a bet in which you either lose, or you gain nothing. I did not set this trap for you. You set it and stepped into it.

If you had used your logic you would have realized that mubahila is foolish. Truth and falsehood cannot be determined in a tournament of cursing. Allah must be a cretin to devise such a stupid system. You Muslims attribute insanity to the Creator. That is why I say Islam is kufr and Muslims are kafirs par excellence.

Truth and falsehood are not established through cursing. They are established through evidence, reasoning and logic. Let us say I believe the Earth is flat and you say it isn’t. Can we find who is right by invoking the curse of God on each other and prying that the one who is wrong may die? Is that a logical way to find the truth? Come on Mr. Bhatti. You write in perfect English. I bet you have some education. Why don’t you use your brain to see the stupidity of this silly thing called mubahila?

People believe in all sorts of beliefs. Not all of them are true. Those who believe in false beliefs are not liars. They are merely misinformed and misguided. To call one who does not believe in what you believe a liar, is absurd. A liar is a person who knowingly falsifies the truth. For example, when Muslims say Muhammad’s wars were in self-defense, they are lying. They know that his wars were raids and offensive. When they say he married old widows to protect them, they are lying. They know that his wives and concubines were all (with the exception of the first one who was wealthy) in their twenties and teens and he had a child as a wife.

Muhammad encouraged his followers to lie to the unbelievers in order to deceive them. But if a Christian believes that Jesus has resurrected, he is not a liar. That is his belief and even if that belief may not be true, he believes that it is. There is a difference between lying, i.e. knowingly giving false testimony, and believing in something that is not true.

It is not difficult to see mubahila is stupid. It may work as bluff on superstitious people who may back off from it. Rational people only scoff at it. If there was any truth to mubahila why Muhammad did not use it to eliminate his enemies? Why did he resort to terrorism and launched so many raids when all he had to do was invoke the wrath of Allah on those who rejected him? Did Muhammad win any of his wars through mubahila? No. He said “I have been made victorious with terror.” He was fully aware that his prayers are not going to be heard by God. Mubahila was his bluff, but for result, he relied on his henchmen and not on God.

Unlike Muhammad who knew mubahila is worthless, you seem to be sincere. Obviously, in this case sincerity is not a virtue. It only belies your gullibility. I hope at the end of this silly exercise you will realize the stupidity of mubahila and Islam in general and will leave this cult. However, I am not holding my breath. I doubt that you will leave Islam. You will simply think that the real Ali Sina is dead and someone else is now impersonating him. It is very difficult to wake up someone who does not want to wake up. Those who are capable of rational thought can easily find the truth by reasoning.

This is not the first time I am invited to do mubahila. The first time was eight or nine years ago. My response to my challenger was the same. I never heard from the gentleman. Like all Muslims who after being defeated disappear from radar, he vanished and did not write back.

The very fact of assuming that one can influence the will of God and tell him what to do, is proof of one’s lack of understanding of God. Isn’t it foolish that insignificant creatures like us expect that the maker of this magnificent universe change his plans and do our bidding?

No matter how you look at it Islam is a stupid religion made by a very stupid man for even more stupid people. I hope at the end of these 90 days you will realize the asininity of this faith and will start investigating the truth.

 

 Mubahila Part III 

This is the continuation of my discussion on mubahila (cursing one another so the one who is in error may die)

What will you do Mr. Sina, if i call your parents, liars, rapists, mad and all that you called my beloved Muhammad (SAW) what will you do? I love my prophet a thousand times more than my parents, so can you imagine how i fell at the moment about you, you have no idea.

Mr. Bhatti,

I was there one day too and I am familiar with what you feel. The truth is that Muhammad is not your parent. He even disowned his adopted son and made his ficticious god say, Muhammad is not the father of anyone. Muhammad is no one to you or to me. My ancestors prided themselves to be the decedents of him, but if you do some math you’ll see that after about ten generations basically no trace of his gene was left in those who claimed to be his descendants. Divide 1 by 2 and keep dividing the result by 2 for ten times. What is left is less than one in a thousand. After 20 generations it is one in a million. After 30 generations it is one in a billion. After 40 generations it is one in a trillion. I am more than 50 generations away from Muhammad.  The trace of his genes in his so called decedents today is less than a drop in an ocean. Therefore, comparing Muhammad to your parents is absurd even if you were his descendent, as I am.

What you have is a mental bondage. You are like an addict that depends on his drug and if that drug is taken away from him, he throws fits and tantrums. My goal is to wean Muslims from this mind numbing drug and set them free so they don’t lose their sanity and don’t act like savages anytime anyone says something about Muhammad. The relationship Muslims have with Muhammad is not healthy. There is a remedy to that. It is called truth. Once Muslims are exposed to truth and they can see who Muhammad was, they will recover from this mental sickness.

Muhammad was a narcissist who invented a personality cult around himself so he could be praised and loved. Allah was his own alter ego. That man was emotionally disturbed. He invented Islam so through it he could garner the attention and respect of people. To understand Muhammad you have to study the biography of other narcissists such as Jim Johns, David Koresh, Joseph Koni, Charles Manson and Shoko Asahara. These insane people also created a personality cult around themselves and were worshiped by their brainwashed followers. Once you come to see the truth about Muhammad you will have no other feeling but despise for that degenerate criminal. Then you will be very grateful to me for setting you free from this mental bondage and will see me as your best friend and not as someone to curse and wish to die.

The Quran, you say was written by Muhammad (SAW) and not God. In that case I cannot imagine how someone who was a narcissist, a misogynist, a rapist, a pedophile, a lecher, a torturer, a mass murderer, a cult leader, an assassin, a terrorist, a mad man and a looter, 1400 years ago could have written a book in such rich Arabic and so consistent over two decades.

First of all the Quran is not a rich book in any sense. It is clear that the author of this book was very ignorant and an unlettered person. He probably had some basic familiarity with reading but most certainly he was not an erudite person. We have texts coming to us from antiquity that demonstrate the erudition of their authors. The Quran does not measure up. It is an editor’s nightmare. Furthermore this book is full of errors and inconsistencies. In fact it is so confused that you can’t understand it unless you consult tafseer and hadith. Muhammad’s words also kept changing, to such an extent that Muslim scholars created an entire “science” known as nasikh wa mansookh (the abrogator and the abrogated.) The Quran itself testifies that it is not a consistent book. Verse 2:106 says:

“None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar.”

How can you say the Quran has been consistent for twenty years when the Quran itself denies that claim?

Do you think that if you die within the period of the mubahila, your followers will think it was just a coincidence? Think again Mr. Sina and this time consider the human psychology.

Mr. Bhatti, I don’t have followers. I have not started any religion to have followers. I have readers and you are one of them. Some of my readers agree with what I say and some don’t.

Of course if I die within these 90 days that you are praying for my death no one in his right mind would think I died because of that. Is God a child play? How can the maker of this universe depend on the whims of his creatures? How can you pretend that tiny beings such as us can influence the will of an almighty God who allegedly is the maker of this incredibly immense universe? Who the hell you think we are to have such powers to alter God’s plans? If God wants to take the life of someone he knows when. He does not need his creatures to tell him what to do.

Is there any guarantee that without your curses I will survive these 90 days so we can deduce that if I die it is because of your curses? On the contrary, if I don’t die it is clear that your curses were not efective and your religion is false. In this bet, you will either lose, or gain nothing. However, if after these 90 days I stay alive and you start doubting Muhammad, you will be a winner. You will lose your bet but you may win your freedom. That would be a major victory.

If you die within this period of time 90% of your followers will stray away believe you were a liar. Trust me, when it happens, it will happen in such a way that all will see and all shall believe. Inshallah.

Please Add this to your site without editing, if you have the balls to which i believe you do.

Nobody is following me. I am inviting everyone to use their own brain. No one accepts anything I say because of my authority. I have not laid any claim to any authority. I am an ordinary person with no hidden knowledge. Everything I know I learned from others. If what I say makes sense to my readers and they find it to be reasonable, they will accept it, but if what I say is irrational and unfounded no one will accept it. Suppose I die, why should any sane person assume I died because of your curses? I am not praying for your death, but can you be sure that you will be alive in the next 90 days? Just as you can’t give such assurances, I can’t either. If either one of us dies, it does not mean that that person was wrong. Those who are wrong and those who are right die equally. When death comes it does not question who is right and who is wrong. We all die and we don’t know when it will happen. The truth of something must be established by proof and not by the death of someone. Imagine that I tell you there is life on Mars and you deny it saying prove it. Is it rational to say let us curse each other so the one who is mistaken dies and we know the truth? Isn’t that laughable? Mubahila is stupid and ludicrous. It is not befitting for rational people living in the 21st century to believe in this nonsense.

You gave your word that if after 90 days I am still alive, you will leave Islam. I know it won’t happen. I know the mind of the believer and how it is shackled. However, I hope this will create doubt in you and you will start reading the articles posted in FFI and searching the truth. This could be a turning point but you must do your homework.

Three months later I wrote to Mr. Bhatti

Sun, Jul 27, 2008

Greetings Mr.Shabir,

The three months have passed and I am alive. We agreed that this would be proof for you that Muhammad was a liar. Remember that we had a pact. I was confident that your cursing will have no effect. Now it is your time to see I was right.

Please allow me to send you my book. After reading it, I assure you that you will not doubt anymore that Muhammad was a sick man and not a prophet of God.

I look forward to hear from you,

Ali Sina

 

He did not reply.  I waited another seven months and wrote again.

Wed, Mar 4, 2009

Dear Mr. Shabir Bhatti

It is over ten months that you issued the Mubahila challenge and said let God decide who is right and who is wrong by killing the person who is wrong.  I accepted your challenges making it clear that I am not going to sit there cursing you and praying for your death and that if you die, I am not responsible. However, you were adamant to pray for my death and were sure that within 90 days I will die and everyone will know I was wrong.

Several people have written to know the outcome of that mubahila. Obviously I am alive and kicking. They want to know what happened to you. Have you gone to meet your creator or have you left Islam as you had promised you would.

I hope you are not dead, but if you are maybe God took your life to show everyone that Islam is false. If you are alive then you must fulfill your end of the bargain and denounce Islam as it has been proven false by its own silly standard. Save your soul before your actual death.

You have remained silent and did not respond to the email I sent you after the 90 days were over. What is happening? Are you still hitting your praying rug invoking Allah for my death?  We all die, but the deadline of your mubahila is over. If your Allah had any power, he would have used it to kill me and save the honor of his religion. It is clear that Allah does not exist. If this world has any god, it is not Allah.

Because of this mubahila you have shown to the world that Allah is false. I warned you about this. You were adamant to carry on and when I asked, “Are you going to accept that Muhammad was a liar if after 90 days I am still alive?” you confidently wrote,  “I will accept all that you say if you are still alive after 3 months.” Are you going to stick to your end of the bargain?

I have kept your name and email hidden, because I thought you may at the end see the light and leave Islam. So I protected your identity. However, if I don’t hear from you, I assume the mubahila has backfired and you are now in the presence of your maker and repentant for following a false charlatan.  In that case I will publish this email along with your name and email for everyone to know what happened.

But if you are alive and are not responding, you are in breach of your end of the bargain.  Muhammad also broke his promises and instructed his followers to do the same.  This proves once again that Islam is false and all the claims of Muhammad are bogus. Are you going to accept that he was a liar or are you waiting to die to learn this truth?

Ali Sina

 

To this day Feb 16 , 2012 Mr. Bhatti has not replied.  I hope he is not dead, but in either case the matter is settled.  Islam is a lie based on its very twisted standard.  I reprint this article in this new blog for those who still believe in Muhammad and in mubahila as evidence that both are false.

You can read more about mubahila in this Islamic site

 

Update: 2012/02/20

I tried several times to contact Mr. Bhatti and I even sent him emails from other email addresses annonymously in the hope to get a response from him.  None of my emails were responded to.  Now I am getting worried that Mr. Bhatti may have died.

I hope this is not the case, but remember that Mr. Bhatti was absolutly convinced that the person who is wrong will die at the end of the 90 days. Since I did not die, he might have thought that he will die and may have died because of his conviction. Our brain is a very powerful instrument.   A great percentage of diseases are cured due to the placebo effect.  One actually can die if he strongly believes that he would.  If that is the case, it would be a real tragedy that a good man may die because of his belief in a lie. I pray that he is well and just refuses to reply.

 

Update 2012/11/20

Good News

Finally I can share the good news that our friend Shabir Bhatti is not dead. He recently added his picture to his Gmail account and here is his picture.

Jason. a friend who had contacted Mr. Bhatti during our debate noticed it. On November 8, 2012 Jason wrote to him again and asked whether he is an Ahmadi Muslim. Mr. Bhatti replied with a single line saying where did he get this Idea that he is an Ahmadi ? So we now have definite proof that our friend Shabir Bhatti is alive and well.

I must admit that this is a relief for me. Although I never prayed that he may die, I am also aware of the power of belief. Bhatti was so convinced that after his cursing one of us will die, which according to him would constitute as evidence of Islam’s truth or falsehood. He made it very clear, from the outset, that he had no use for reason and logic. He wanted to prove the truth of Islam the way Muhammad did – the silly way.  he prayed fervently that I may die for 90 days.  But I did not die. This means that he would die.

Our beliefs have tremendous power. That is how voodoo works. Those who believe in voodoo can get ill and even die if they believe bad magic is applied on them. The magic itself has no power, but if you believe in it you’ll see the result. The same is true about praying and cursing.  Bhatti really believes in Islam and all the stupid things that is in the Quran. And since I did not hear from him again I was concerned. I am glad he is alive. There is still hope for him to see the light.

I wrote a few emails to Shabir, and sent him one a few days ago. He did not reply to any of them.