What Is the Meaning of Spirituality?
Someone sent me an email and asked, is there anything like spirituality? This is like asking whether there is anything like rationality or intelligence or love. Of course spirituality is real. The question is how you define it.
Etymologically spiritual means anything that relates to spirit or soul and not to physical nature and matter.
For a Christian, spirituality means having an intimate and personal relationship with God who exists outside of the creation and has revealed himself in the form of a man in the person of Jesus Christ, like sun shining in a mirror.
Non-religious, secular people define spirituality in a humanistic term. They emphasize on morality and qualities such as love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, responsibility, and concerns for others, and “aspects of life and human experience which go beyond a purely materialist view of the world without necessarily accepting belief in a supernatural reality or divine being.” 1
So a basic definition of spirituality is the quality of one’s sensitivity to the things that are not of material and corporal nature. Eating, drinking, physical comfort and sex are functions of the body, whereas love, fairness, compassion and kindness are faculties of the spirit. These are qualities that cannot be directly perceived by our senses but they can be felt powerfully and whose effects can be deduced or inferred by our observations.
For most people, spirituality means focusing on “the inside of life.” This definition is more or less accepted by people of all faiths and no faith.
Basic to this understanding is the premise that we regard humans, and perhaps the rest of creation, as something more than just matter. It presupposes that there is a reality in every living being that is immaterial, invisible and beyond our present knowledge. There is something in us more than what we can perceive with our senses. We are not the same person as twenty years ago. Every cell and every atom in our body is changed and yet I am still the same person and you are the same. There is something constant in us. That is what we call “I.” The attributes of this “I” change, but the “I” itself does not change.
Will this “I” perish after our body stops functioning or will it survive it? Is it a function of the body, like light in a lamp, or a component of it, like electricity? If it is a function then it is fair to say that the function ceases when the instrument stops working. But if it is a component, one can argue that it can survive even when the instrument is no longer working. Electricity exists even when the lamp is burned. Let us not get into this subject now. Firstly because it is complicated and secondly because I don’t know the answer. And let us say this “I” is our spirit.
What Spirituality Is Not
I don’t expect to understand spirituality in a rational way. If spirituality is defined as love, compassion, tolerance and sacrifice, there is little room for reason to explain it. A person who jumps into an icy river and risks his own life to save the life of a stranger is not acting according to reason. This person’s action can only be understood spiritually.
James Martin in his book “My Life with the Saints,” published in 2006, narrates a story about Mother Theresa. A man saw her cleaning the wounds of a leper and said, “I wouldn’t do that for a million dollars,” Mother Teresa replied, “Neither would I.”
Mother Theresa’s action cannot be explained rationally. But it can be understood spiritually. She did this for love. She said to the man, “But I would gladly do it for Christ.” She saw Christ or God in that leper.
There is no way to explain this rationally, but it cannot be dismissed either. It inspires us, uplifts us, moves us and makes us better.
In his first letter to Corinthians (2:14) Paul wrote, “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
If this passage is to explain the love of Mother Theresa for the leper, it makes perfect sense. What she did can only be understood through spiritual discernment. But if we take this passage as a license to believe in any gobbledygook, any absurdity and nonsense then that is not spirituality. It is foolishness plain and simple.
Let us take the example of the story of the creation in the Genesis. The literal interpretation of that book goes against science, reason and commonsense. It is foolishness to accept that explanation as how the world has come to be. That story is proven wrong. Love and sacrifice, although cannot be explained rationally, don’t go against it. So let it be clear that by spirituality we don’t mean stupidity.
If we were to accept anything that goes against reason “spiritually”, meaning. uncritically and blindly, then how can we distinguish truth from falsehood? How can we reject the absurd claims made by Muhammad, or any other impostor? Shall we believe in his Mi’raj, or his other absurd claims? If not, why not? If every nonsense claim is to be accepted “spiritually” we are left with no tool to separate the wheat from the chaff and differentiate between truth and falsehood. Belief in absurdity is not spirituality. There is nothing spiritual in being stupid.
Is Spirituality in Harmony with Reason?
True spirituality is never contrary to reason. You need to have an understanding of art and beauty in order to appreciate a symphony or a painting. Likewise, you have to have spiritual awareness in order to perceive the harmony of the universe.
Human’s great minds were often spiritual people. In his book, Einstein: His Life and Universe the author Walter Isaacson writes, “It may seem logical, in retrospect, that a combination of awe and rebellion made Einstein exceptional as a scientist. But what is less well known is that those two traits also combined to shape his spiritual journey and determine the nature of his faith. The rebellion part comes in at the beginning of his life: he rejected at first his parents’ secularism and later the concepts of religious ritual and of a personal God who intercedes in the daily workings of the world. But the awe part comes in his 50s when he settled into a deism based on what he called the “spirit manifest in the laws of the universe” and a sincere belief in a “God who reveals Himself in the harmony of all that exists.”
Einstein’s Jewish parents had become completely Germanized and secularized. They did not keep kosher or attend synagogue. His father, Herman, referred to Jewish rituals as “ancient superstition.” So when it was time for Albert to go to school, they sent him to one that was closer and did not care that it was a Catholic School.
As the only Jew among the 70 students in his class, Einstein took the standard course in Catholic religion and it was then that he fell in love with Jesus. Decades later he said, “I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.”
When he was 10, someone gave him science books which he read with breathless attention. By the age of 12 he rejected God altogether. He later wrote, “Through the reading of popular scientific books, I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of free thinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression.”
Einstein did, however, had a profound faith in and reverence for the harmony and beauty of what he called the mind of God as it was expressed in the creation of the universe and its laws.
In a dinner party, when Einstein had turned 50, a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion as pure superstition. Another guest stepped in and similarly disparaged religion. Belief in God, he insisted, was likewise a superstition. At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even Einstein harbored religious beliefs. “It isn’t possible!” the skeptical guest said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious. “Yes, you can call it that,” Einstein replied calmly. “Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious.” (Isaacson)
When asked whether he believes in God, Einstein responded, “I’m not an atheist. I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”
I call myself an atheist. It is not that I don’t believe in God. I don’t believe in the god that is being taught to us. When Galileo rejected the geocentricity of the universe, he did not reject the universe; he rejected people’s understanding of it. Likewise, I reject peoples understanding of God. In reality, my god is not much different from the god of Einstein, although I believe I am more of a pantheist. I don’t seek God in religious texts, in churches and temples. I seek IT in the melody of life – in the faces of little children, and not just human children, children of all creatures. God for me is in anything that emanates love. IT is not in the skies; it’s right here inside every person and every animal. To quote Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Babies are the source of my spirituality. I see God in children of all kinds
Like the rays of sun shining in different objects and reflecting back differently, everyone is born as a manifestation of God reflecting IT’s light differently. I see God in every living being and because of that I value life. I think respect for life is an essential ingredient of spirituality. In one interview, Bill Maher was asked how he can reconcile his support for abortion, which is a liberal cause with his support for death penalty, which is a conservative cause. He said, life does not have much value, even dogs can do it (give birth to living beings). I wish I could ask him whether he thinks that his own life also has no value or is it just the lives of others that are worthless.
For me life is the most precious thing that exists. Look at the vastness of the universe and the small size of the Earth in it. As far as we know, the Earth is the only place where life can exist. Anything which is rare is precious. Nothing is rarer than life. There are dead suns that are made entirely of diamond. I am not talking about mountains of diamond. The whole damn star is made of diamond. Other dead stars are full of heavy metals including gold, platinum and silver.What is scarce is life.
People often misunderstood or perhaps deliberately misinterpreted Einstein’s religious beliefs. So in the summer of 1930 he composed a credo titled, “What I Believe.” He explained: “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man.”
This did not satisfy those who wanted a straightforward answer as to whether Einstein believed in God or not. Orthodox Jewish leader in New York, Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein, send a very direct telegram to Einstein: “Do you believe in God? Stop. Answer paid. 50 words.” Einstein used only about half his allotted number of words. It became the most famous version of an answer he gave often: “I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.”
Although he rejected the orthodox interpretation of God, Einstein was consistent in rejecting the charge that he was an atheist. “There are people who say there is no God,” he told a friend. “But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”
Unlike many atheists of his time and our time, Einstein never denigrated those who believed in God; instead, he tended to denigrate atheists. “What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos,” he explained.
“In fact, Einstein tended to be more critical of debunkers, who seemed to lack humility or a sense of awe, than of the faithful,” Writes Isaacson. “The fanatical atheists,” he wrote in a letter, “are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who–in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’– cannot hear the music of the spheres.”
To avoid any misunderstanding, he also emphasized, “The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God.”
Einstein did not believe in supernatural. “For some people,” writes Isaacson, “miracles serve as evidence of God’s existence. For Einstein it was the absence of miracles that reflected divine providence. The fact that the world was comprehensible, that it followed laws, was worthy of awe.”
Spirituality in Islam
Now that I gave a brief description of spirituality it becomes clear that Muhammad had no understanding of it. He had no appreciation for life. He killed anyone who was not useful to him. If they did not believe in him, if they did not help him to conquer and loot, or if they did not work for him as slaves and dhimmis, he got rid of them.
His celebrations of festivities require spilling the blood of animals. What kind of god is this that demands blood to be pleased? I respect Hinduism because it respects life.
Islam’s diabolic rituals known as Eid. These are the occasions Muslims rejoice.
Muhammad’s afterlife is this-worldly. In his paradise, people are rewarded with carnal pleasures such as gluttony, debauchery and coitus. There are no libraries, museums or art centers in his paradise. The poor man could not envision the joy of reading and had no understanding of finer things in life. He was only aware of the sensations in his penis and his belly. His hell is also a physical place where his detractors are tortured and roasted and are made to eat pus. The words spiritual and spirituality do not appear in the Quran, not once. Isn’t that incredible? Muslims seek spiritual guidance from a book that does not mention that word at all. Imagine you want to learn golf, and buy a book that does not mention golf anywhere. I don’t know how much you Muslims want to fool your selves, but that is what you are doing. The concepts of love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness and responsibility were also alien to Muhammad. He could only understand obedience. He was indeed a man with a very underdeveloped and primitive mind.
For the Sufis, this represented a problem. Instead of accepting the fact that Islam is completely bereft of spirituality, they claimed that the Quran has two contradictory meanings. One its outer meaning, (the shell) which is its apparent meaning and the other, which is entirely different, is its inner meaning (the pith) that can be understood only by those who are spiritually purified.
This of course became another source of power and self glorification for some to teach others how to interpret the hidden meanings of the Quran. They formed schools, collected disciples and called themselves saints and holy men – men specially endowed with insights that ordinary people did not possess. In reality they were a bunch of charlatans deceiving others. There is no secret knowledge in the Quran.
The Sufis were opposed and rejected by the majority of Muslims as heretics. They were rightly accused of twisting the meaning of the Quran. The argument presented by the Sufis is flatly rejected by the Quran itself, which repeatedly claims to be a “clear book” (5:15) “easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “explained in detail” (6:114), “conveyed clearly” (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1). The author of the Quran wanted it to be read and understood literally. Any interpretation of the Quran that is not consistent with its apparent meaning is to be rejected. Sufism is not Islam. It is a heretic faith and a deception. If Muhammad were alive, he would have burned the Sufis just as he burned his followers in the mosque of Dhu Awan because someone told him they are interpreting the Quran in their way and don’t believe in Jihad.
Spirituality is therefore, many things. It can be the sense of awe vis-à-vis the universe (Einstein), or it can be reverence for life (Jainism). It can mean communion with God (Christianity) and it can mean service to fellow beings (Mother Theresa). And it can mean nurturing love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, responsibility, sacrifice and fairness (Buddhism and humanism). Being spiritual means being an evolved human. It means being aware of good and evil and choosing good over evil. Attaining spirituality should be the main goal of every person. As a spiritual person you transcend names and can see good wherever it occurs.
Richard Dawkins believes no one who believes in God should be elected as the president of the United States. He prefers Obama, despite him claiming to be a Christian and believing in God, because he knows that Obama’s faith is a fake like his birth certificate. Dawkins prefers a conman, one who will bankrupt America and bring chaos to the world to a good Christian even though the Christian is more qualified. Qualifications don’t matter, says Dawkins, it is the belief, or rather disbelief that matters. This is not spirituality to me. This is Islamic thinking that I rejected a long time ago and will not accept it in the guise of atheism. If you are not fair, you are not spiritual. If you can see goodness in others and appreciate their value irrespective of who they are, their belief, their gender or race, then you can call yourself spiritual – an evolevd human.
There are many paths to spirituality. Islam is not one. Anything that makes you a better person is a spiritual path. The more you immerse yourself in Islam the darker your soul becomes. Born to carry the light of God, once you start following Muhammad, you become evil. Your thoughts become demonic. The hatred of your fellow being fills your heart, leaving no room for love. You become the manifestation of Devil. Even the faces of the very devout Muslims show that evilness. Amazingly people become ugly when they become devout Muslims. I don’t know how to explain this rationally but it is an observable fact. Just look at the faces of the terrorists. These are the most devout Muslims. Or look at the faces of the leaders of Islamic parties. There is something very evil in their eyes. Islam is an anti-spiritual creed. It does not make you a better person. The more you follow it the worse you become. It is a creed that makes monsters out of angels. If I believed in Satan I would say Islam is Satan’s plot to destroy this world and take everyone to hell.
this is disgusting
//"Every religion has their right to express their views. It doesn't mean you have to agree."//
Let me emphasize that the above already IS the attitude of the vast majority of Westerners and many other humans, groups. They are tolerant, in favor of freedom of religion and peaceful co-existence. And it is often solidified in their constitutions and laws.
But, What is hated in Islam, is that it seems so INTOLERANT, SUPREMACIST, bent on conquering and subduing. Intolerant of people "born in Islam" to choose a different religion or lifestyle.
And this tolerant constitution is, as they say, NOT a suicide pact. Much of the hatred to Islam comes from concern about freedoms, democracy, democratic laws and therefore can be called Intolerance to intolerance.
In England between 1688 and 1900 or so there was institutionalized discrimination against Catholics. But arguably, this was the fault of Catholics because they swore highest loyalty to the Pope, a foreign "enemy" and clearly let that loyalty trump loyalty to the English Nation and government.
Who hates Islam ? Every religion has their right to express their views. It doesn't mean you have to agree.
It is the most memorized text in the world, because it is easy to memorize.. That's what the meaning of these verses is leading you towards. You clearly haven't tried to understand this book nor does it seem like you've studied history. Constitution of Medina was the first of its kind in the modern world. It specified the rights and duties of all citizens and the relationship of the different communities in Medina. Europe was in the dark ages when the Islamic light from Spain lit the streets of Europe. Study your history. I can write for hours to help you understand but it will be useless if you maintain your hatred of Islam.
Doesn't take much to start a war does it? It's obvious who loves to fight and spill blood. Get a hold of yourself and start self-regulating. Join an anger management group. Grow up!! No one gets to go off like that over words. So quick to judge hate, etc. Shame. I think it is a fragile religion that requires it's members to jump to it's defense every time someone questions it. If you don't feel confident and grounded in what you believe then it's probably not true.
Many different things are spirituality. Many different religions that have a belief in a relationship with a higher being. Devotion to God with belief there is one. Faithfulness and devotion to prayer with God or Higher being. Of course you have to put morality in there also. No one religion is perfectly correct even though they may think so. I say, take something from all religions . Put it all together then maybe you'll have something. Especialy since their religious books are suppose to be inspiried by and said to be the word of God, therefore God's own words. I could go on and on but I'll just keep it simple which seems to be a very hard thing to do when it comes to God and spirituality.
This website does make sense!
First of all it is not first and foremost a site that engages in "hatred" for hatred's sake. But it discusses Islam.
With the understanding that Islam has good alternatives, in religion/ lifestyle, for society, and for spirituality, developed by mankind. And Islam of course is in competition with it's alternatives and many think that Islam is the religion that through Muslims threathens it's competitors, and treats them and their followers unfairly. At times through violence and intimidation, especially in Islamic countries and communities. Muslims also often use one-sided propaganda, censorship of criticism and brainwashing of children to advance Islam, unfairly, undemocratic.
But under Democratic law it makes perfect sense and it is legal that all religions/ lifestyles on internet, tv and in media get criticized and even insulted. But this is balanced with criticism/ insults of ALL religions/ lifestyle and also with much PRAISE/ SUPPORT for all religions/ lifestyles.
What would NOT MAKE SENSE, is:
– To forbid, censor, discourage only all the insults and not the praise/ support of all religions/ lifestyles in the media, because that way people who search for the best, can not be informed well and choose wisely.
– To allow criticism/ insults for all religions/ lifestyles EXCEPT ISLAM, because only Muslims in significant numbers, and often with threaths of violence, object to criticism/ insults.
Your website doesn't make any sense. It's filled with hatred and you seemed to be filled with hatred yourself. You should be careful not to develop any disease because of this hatred and end your short miserable and meaningless life
God reveals himself in everything that exists. You should focus on what is inside of life, yourself, like morality,relationships, and love. Not the material. Anything that is rare is most precious. Nothing more precious than life.We are energy which to me is a spiritual being. Spirituality is all around us. Just look around and you will see what I mean.
@All Muslim brother
Is here anyone to answer me?
Which was the "Shahada" recited by Muhammad in his childhood and old age?
Which was the "Shahada" recited by Muhammad parents?
when it comes to spirituality, only HINDUISM comes to mind
u f***er u should say thanks to hindu.though im christian i believe all religion except islam.u have half knowledge and half knowledge i s too dangerous
Good article as usual from Ali Sina. However I am disappointed as a discussion on sprituality ignores Dharmic religions of the east whose very aim is raising the spiritual consciousness of man and are pretty sucessful in giving birth to great sages for centuries. Unfortunately, the word religion got a bad name and lost all its meaning because of Islam and Christianity to extent. These history centric Abrahmic belief systems have confused the language of religion and philosophy and perveted the discourse on religion, philosophy, mysticism and sprituality.
India for thousands of years have contemplated the existential questions and enabled its seekers to come to truth through various ways. This spritual treasure is not lost as far as India lives. That is the only hope for the tired mankind. If you are interested in sprituality, explore Indian spritual traditions which include Hindu, Bhudhist and Jainist philosophies and methods to enlightenment.
Ha Ha! – This is why even Sina doesn't come out and defend his garbage . . . . no disciples either!
Views of the vedic thought.
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Means : The subtle Knowledge that brings forth the relation between the material body and the energies existing in the universe is called spirituality. After one attains this knowledge the outlook of differentiation comes to an end. Samskrit "पुरुषोsयं लोकसंमितः" All this is pervaded and permeated by that one that is eternal "Purusha"
Please is there anyone who can authenticate a link in this website soliciting for a signature to permanently ban Sharia in United States. After I followed this link, it seems to me that the white house would not have created such a cheap website that came up. Something does not seem real, or else I would have signed up
There is not one path, but many paths which can lead to the truth. There are lies also but that does not mean, there is only one path. If you want to climb alps, you can do it from many directions. You can climb from eastern or western , northern side or southern side or one of there combinations. Some path may be easier than others but all can lead you to the top.
Similarly if you are hungry, there are thousands of dishes which can feed you, so there are many paths which can lead to realisation of truth.
There are four primary paths but there combinations can be infinite. These are path of devotion. path of intellect, path of karmayoga ( selfless working) and path of Kriya Yoga( channelising your subtle energies) and then there are n number of combinations of these paths.
If you are not a devotee or believing type, path of devotion is not for you, path of intellect(path of questioning) is right for you and so are others.
Just watch your ego, if the path is inflating your ego, it is not a true path.
A human being's conscience doesn't give him the ability to "couldn't even comprehend such complicated universal issues." An powerful God would make such issues easily understandable for all human beings.
Your answer has no correlation with the simple question at hand.
It seems, to me that you are a pious lady , at present in this world their are many great sages taking breath along with us.One such great saint of modern India is Mata "Amritanandmai Devi "she is known as hugging saint through out the world.You may find her on you tube (I tried to embed her video clip here but some problems occurred I couldn't do so) . I am not here to score over Jesus either so don't take otherwise.I only try to eradicate the misconception you have formed about saints and Guru's.
Hi zero, that's the reason why all human beings have a built-in device called 'conscience' to know that there is a Creator God and that our existence on planet earth is not accidental, just like the relationship between a parent and a child. 🙂
Your answer also seems like a copout from a God who could easily make it within a human being's ability to understand anything about him.
Hi zero, even all Atheists believe that this marvellous universe is governed by unseen laws which means that all these laws must be perfect in the strictest sense. Any violation of such perfect laws could spell disasters or consequences which are beyond all human understanding because the human mind is finite. So, if we couldn't even comprehend such complicated universal issues. What can we say about our awesome loving Almighty Creator God Who is greatly to be feared? Don't you think that we should be serious and deeply respect and reverence Him? 🙂
That seems like a copout for a God who can suppossedly do anything
Dear Sakat, God is Spirit. So, that's the reason why no physical human being can see God and live because we are all sinners and He is a perfect, Holy, righteous, just and loving God.
Dear Sakat, don't you know that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. He is Jesus.
slave of prophet, That is the greatest miracle of Allah? No, it is not. this is just the greatest ridiculous claim of all time where all scientist would not agree with it, just remember this E = mc^2 🙂
You have two parents not one. You are arguing that there is one God. Your analogy doesn't stand.
There is a cow in my house, she loves me too much & my family livelihood depends on her milk, dung and urine. My father used to serve this cow when he died there are tears in cow eyes and cow left the food also for 2-3 days. Same had happened when cow lost (died) her calf. We sale her dung and urine also. So, I do not think we should kill an animal just for tong test who have feeling for ourselves.
@denialisnoproof
You Hindu believe God is not creator. God can not create. That is why you are asking such silly questions. For you God is just a manager. Who creates the universe (Son, moon, stars and all bodies) from Prakriti (Raw material) . which is eternal. Is it not the insult of Allah/creator? You are putting Prakirti and souls as eternal. But as per Islam only Allah is eternal. There was nothing exist but Allah. Allah can do anything. All the universe and bodies we see, have come from nothing. That is the greatest miracle of Allah.
false premise.
how can creator create everything from nothing?
small correction "why one should believe him"
Jesus was born approximately 2000 years back ,their are scriptures dates many millennium years back which proclaims,there is one energy parvads this whole universe we call it "the one without the second" and there is definite way to realize it .Than how Jesus intrude in between and why one shouldn't believe him without substantial proof.
Dear than you have to define God for me,because many people define God in different way ,what is the way to see him, because I haven't seen him at the same time I don't want to "believe"him either ,I want exact proof .
Hi Sakat, spiritual death is separation from God eternally because of sin. Spiritual life means that you are spiritually alive. Those who are reconciled to God through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ are made spiritually alive because Christ defeated sin and death, those who have faith in him are made spiritually alive.
Hi Sakat, Lord Jesus Christ said so!
Hi denialisnoproof, throughout the development and evolution of the human race, we really didn't create anything. Everything from the most complicated mathematical equation, to the craziest laws of physics to the wonders of medicine. All these were already in place by our Creator way before the world began. We merely discover them as our level of awareness grew.
Hi Narasamsha, what I'm trying to explain here is that God is like your own biological parents who gave birth to you, whether you're born out of the hole of a surrogate mom and a donor dad or not. You can only have one biological parents. If you said that there is more than one God Who created this magnificent universe or that you have more than one biological parents, then, you're a charlatan.
Wrong, Rainbow.
Dear John, I don't know what kind of society or environment you live in when you said that nobody has offered you unconditional help or love in your life. Do you mean to say that even your own loved ones and your family members are also so cold-hearted towards you too? I'm glad to know that you've not renounced Christ's teachings about love, for He is Love. I'm still puzzled and wonder what has happened that made you renounce Christianity? Yes, you have to worship God in spirit and in truth. Jesus loves you. 🙂
The essential difference between sprituality and physicallity is that while in later, we see the world as it appears to us while in sprituallity, we become aware of the world as it really exists. There is duality in physicality ( Me and world is separate) while there is no duality in physicality ( though some school of thought also prpogate duality in sprituality).
Physicality is like going to a movie and enjoying the movie, though in sprituality also, movie is enjoyed but there is awareness that it is all illusion. You are aware that a projector is displaying the movie on screen at the rate of more than sixteen STILL images per second and they appear to me moving because of the limitation of the brain to process them so fast. So in sprituality. you are enjoying the movie but with a sense of detachment.
ofcourse caste system is demeaning . castes exists even in islamic society.
caste system is slowly fading away . you need to be part of the society to know it.
the great mauryans were children of dasi of nanda. the chandragupta maurya was jain, his son bindusara was areligious .ashokas mother was brahmin . later he became buddhist. this is how the tradition been in india. religion is personal.
blame the evil people and evil ideologies.
I had been busy so I couldn't reply to you .
now take for example higgs boson which can be explained in 9th dimension .
you need to use your imagination for this.
we have eyes who's retina is two dimensional yet we can see 3dimensional objects.
and also we can see billions of star becuase of the light emmitted by them but many star which we see might not be present at that moment . they are not just light years apart but also apart in the time.
"Your motivation IS hate . . . .deep hate"
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A lot of people who read the daily news are developing hate towards Islam. As all good people should! I am not the only one.
And you misunderstood my comment regarding genetics. What I meant to say was that I don't know whether Muslims are allowed to believe in genetics or not!
huh?
"Do you think I can't see through the hate-charges that you throw at us here?"
See through what? But you yourself say "I hate Islam". And then when you come up with ridiculous things . . . like saying my comments are garbage – rather than exploring if Sina's articles are fallacious or not. What is that?
When you hold to a flat earth – despite all evidence – what is that?
When you pretend to have knowledge and it quickly becomes apparent you don't – then what is that?
Your motivation IS hate . . . .deep hate.
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"Muslims aren't even allowed to believe in evolution, so for you to give me 'evolution' as an example of difficult to explain science is hogwash."
How? Whether Muslims believe in it or not has got ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. It is a science – and it IS difficult – and it IS far above your level.
You do NOT know anything about it – then point you were making was CLEARLY fallacious. As – although science is "clear" – but it arduous to understand.
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"I don't know about genetics though."
Neither do you know – much about Evolution. Or any other field of science – other than few school-level basics, if at that.
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"btw evolution IS easy to understand. It is simply a matter of how well it is explained by the scientist. "
Go on then . . . explain it? And don't make a mistake.
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Try to THINK! before posting. Your reasoning is repeatedly poor and fallacious.
Don't beat around the bush, ok! Do you think I can't see through the hate-charges that you throw at us here? Muslims aren't even allowed to believe in evolution, so for you to give me 'evolution' as an example of difficult to explain science is hogwash. I don't know about genetics though.
btw evolution IS easy to understand. It is simply a matter of how well it is explained by the scientist.
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Look at HOW MUCH YOU LIE! ""
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Did I lie? ok, read the following please- "
First you had some other verses . . . which you claimed were CLEAR in showing that Quran advocates a flat earth. That fell on his head . . . . then you went off crying that you were no expert.
Now you dropped them verses – stayed away . . . until you found some other excuse for your pathetic belief.
Quran DOES NOT convey flat earth.
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"It is easy to infer from the verses that when Dhul Qarnayn reached the setting-place of the Sun, that was the farthest place reachable. And same with the rising-place of the Sun. In other words, he reached the edge of the Earth. But that is only possible on a FLAT Earth."
Why and how? The words Maghrib al-Shams either indicate a time or a general place.
Classic Arabic dictionaries give the etymology of the word Maghrib al-Shams
is "to go far and wide" or got to "west"
Ref:
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
[It is in English – I can give the exact Arabic – if you need]
Or in another aspect it is a time reference:
For example the Arabic sentence:
لقيته مغرب الشمس
I met him at Sun set.
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"It is easy to infer from the verses that when Dhul Qarnayn reached the setting-place of the Sun, that was the farthest place reachable. "
How? You claim this . . . evidence and explanation? Hence another bogus and non-nonsensical claim.
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"and that he (and only he) had been to both corners of the world- both where the sun rises and where it sets."
Again see the above reference what Maghrib and Mashriq meant to Arabs. There are 180 of these points – each one is called – Maghrib and Mashriq.
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" In other words, he reached the edge of the Earth. But that is only possible on a FLAT Earth."
How did you make the jump to . . . edge of the Earth? WHy the Edge? How and where is it indicated by the Quran. It isn't – you simply got this from Flat Earth – and bunged it on. However – there is absolutely NO indication whatsoever from the Quranic text.
When you say "In other words" – this simply your own thoughts and projections – that have no basis in reality. As indicated by the Arabs sense of these meant. See you did NOT bother to find out at all what all this meant to the Arabs at the time.
Simply – you have read a few fallacious websites – and that is it. Now how rational, clever & educated is that?
Once again simply applied you bias . . . and it did not matter to you . . . whether Quran actually indicates this or not. Hence you have absolutely NO argument whatsoever or any evidence that Quran intimates a flat earth – other than your deep hatred.
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"Dhul Qarnayn is believed to be Alexander the Great. Up until Muhammad's time, Alexander is the only one who was believed to have conquered the whole world,"
Which is a fallacious belief – and does not have much to do with this. Most Muslim scholars tend to believe he was a Prophet.
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"and that he (and only he) had been to both corners of the world"
Something which isn't found or indicated by any Quranic text. Other than pasting the story – you have NOT indicated any either.
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"The way Quran explains the story seems to be in line with such understanding of the world. "
No it doesn't – simply your desperate attempt to apply your own pet theory on to the Quran. However the Quranic text does not support you claims. Neither have you shown this to be case. Other than posting a list – then claiming what you like.
Your conclusions are NOT inferable from the text.
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See despite ALL evidence . . . you cannot let go that Quran does NOT signify a Flat Earth. In several attempts – you have failed to bring a shred of evidence.
Deep black heart indeed.
After all that . . . you come up with this meaningless question – which does not have anything to what you claimed.
I have repeatedly shown your reasoning is poor. You are NOT educated or appear to be very bright.
Your "hatred" – is inherited from your elders. . . . hence when you are PROVEN wrong – rather than accepting it . . . you still keep on with your fallacies. Why?
Your "elders" obviously have deep hatred of Islam . . . and Muslims. Which has NOTHING whatsoever to do with anything factual or truth.
This – you highlight – from your own attitude. Who are you trying to convince?
Whatever – caste system is demeaning and inherently wrong.
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"You haven't countered anything i said. "
What is there to counter? For your words to have ANY validation – you have to prove them . . . simply making claims isn't good enough.
References etc.
You say:
'The caste system that 'exists now' was twisted in the medieval times into the present hierarchy of high and low castes…' which means it still exists in the society in its twisted form..
and you counter it by claiming to the effect of "even hindus admit it exist…"
– – – where is you evidence for saying this? This is simply your meaningless claim.
"so silly man u reject muhammad word(hadith),but believe which not written in vedas,see ur hypocrisy. "
This does not make any sense. Also you are clearly hiding something . . .why else do you need to start childish name calling? What sort of an intelligence is this?
Agracean, I am touched by your words – 'Why don't you let a kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady like me to help you' . Nobody has offered me unconditional help or Love in my life… You say, 'it baffles me to know that you actually renounced the teachings of Jesus '. I have not renounced the teachings of Jesus. I have only renounced Christianity. As I understand, Jesus taught only one thing – Love. And I do not renounce that. You say, ' please kindly return to Christ's mighty arms of love'. It does not work that way, once you grow out of a belief system, there is no turning back. Isn't it enough that I follow, or at least try to follow the teachings of Jesus. Do I have to worship him?
You prove that Аli Sina is right about muslims with dark souls and demonic thoughts..
small correction "we don't trespass u r right
there is no scope here for blind belief everything is based on practical basis, we have already accepted the ownership of Muslims and pisslam over "Belief"! believe me we don't tress u r right,your kind begins with belief and ends up with belief ,be brave come out of belief and try to explore things practically.
It started when creation started
Dear John, you said that, "I was born into a christian family. I challenged the Bible as a little boy and when nobody, neither my parents nor my sunday school teachers could answer my questions, I dropped christianity."
I'm really curious to know how come no Christians in your family or the church could answer your questions and as a result, you dropped Christianity? Why don't you let a kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady like me to help you? I strongly believe that I could answer all your every single challenging questions with ease, by the grace of God and please kindly return to Christ's mighty arms of love after that, ok? 🙂
Dear John, it baffles me to know that you actually renounced the teachings of Jesus Christ and endorsed the teachings of a cult leader. It's time to test your stupidity. How I wish that I could find an antidote for human stupidity.
The person who imo can give the best response to your comment is Eric Allen Bell. Here is his website- http://www.globalone.tv/
I second you there! Osho also gave discourse on Japji Sahib- a prayer recited by Sikhs. His interpretation of the prayer is the most intelligent that I have ever found anywhere.
Whether Osho was a 'pervert', 'charlatan', or just plain deluded regarding certain things(as I believe) needs deeper study of his personality and biography. But he certainly was a learnt man. Even if he himself wasn't enlightened, others will be closer to enlightenment after reading his discourses.
Fine……now whom am I supposed to believe? the spiritual gurus or the scientists?
Scientists say that spirits do not exist, and if you get a result from contemplation
or yoga or any other spiritual experience, it is merely a hallusination.
Ok. I got that link. Rajneesh planning biological terrorism attack in U.S!. As far I know, this what happened – Rajneesh set up an ashram in Oregon and went on with his work, which included criticising the US govt. and he was arrested and expelled for that. You are making a mistake – you judge him by what the media says. Why do that?, why judge him by someone elses words when you have about 600 books of his words. I have read about 200 of his books, not a single sentence about biological terrorism. Read one book of Osho, if you dont like his philosophy, just throw away the book. But dont make the mistake of judging him even without reading a single book of his.
Brilliant!
I hope you have read The PROPHET, by Kahlil Gibran. Osho has written( rather spoken) an entire book discussing every sentence in that book. I suggest you read that book before you debunk Osho as a charlatan, that is what i did too when i were 16.
Both the links failed!! Repost it. But, do not compare Osho with Mohammed. Osho just taught Buddhism – be a light unto yourself.
Mr Sina, I can offer you only what I learned from life. Do not expect others to be as courageous as you. Not all Humans can live without faith in God. You make the same mistake as I made as a 16-yr kid- I tried to convince my family that Christianity is a pseudo- religion. So far, I have failed to convince even a single person in my family that Christianity is not true or that Bible is nothing but rubbish. It doesn't work that way ( they wont believe even if you shove the proof at their face ). An average Human needs a system of belief. And you cant blame him/her for that too. Years after leaving Christianity, I still remain disturbed. It requires real courage to live without any belief. It is not enough that you encourage Muslims to leave their religion. Not everyone has the courage to live without any belief like you. If you expect Muslims to drop their belief, you must also be ready to suggest them an alternative.That is why I suggested Osho.You say 'Osho was a cult leader and a pervert charlatan'. A cult means– 'A misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing'. I have read about 200 books of Osho (he never wrote any book, all his books are discourses to his disciples) — I still do not have any excessive admiration for Osho. In fact, actually , I do not even believe in his claim of enlightenment. My admiration for him is not misplaced, I admire him for only one thing – he describes the teachings of Buddha in simple words. Of him being a 'charlatan', I would not argue with you. When I was sixteen I shared Bhagwan ( that was what he called himself those days) jokes with my friends. Then I stumbled upon a book by him. Osho may be a charlatan, but he has done good thing – he has advocated the teachings of Buddha in simple words – words that have given me courage to live without any belief, words that have given me courage to keep my mind open…….All that I have said may be rubbish, but one point I repeat and you may ignore it – you cannot expect 1.5 billion humans to drop their faith if you do not offer them an alternative. You cannot expect 1.5 billion humans to be as courageous as you to live without 'belief'. Mr Sina, I am an admirer of you, but I am afraid you have made the same mistake you accuse your opponents of- you have judged Osho without reading even a single book of Osho. Remember, he advocated no Oshoism, he advocated only one thing – meditation.
A society founded upon spirituality will differ in two essential points from the normal human society which begins from and ends with the lower nature. The normal human society starts from the gregarious instinct modified by a diversity and possible antagonism of interests, from an association and clash of egos, from a meeting, combination, conflict of ideas, tendencies and principles; it tries first to patch up an accommodation of converging interests and a treaty of peace between discords, founded on a series of implied contracts, natural or necessary adjustments which become customs of the aggregate life, and to these contracts as they develop it gives the name of social law. By establishing, as against the interests which lead to conflict, the interests which call for association and mutual assistance, it creates or stimulates sympathies and habits of helpfulness that give a psychological support and sanction to its mechanism of law, custom and contract. It justifies the mass of social institutions and habitual ways of being which it thus creates by the greater satisfaction and efficiency of the physical, the vital and the mental life of man, in a word, by the growth and advantages of civilisation. A good many losses have indeed to be written off as against these gains, but those are to be accepted as the price we must pay for civilisation.
First link is not working
http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/index.ssf/2011…
John here's a few links on Osho's cult.His immediate disciples knew what his true intentions were.Just as Jesus' disciples and Muhammad's companions practiced their leaders actual teachings.
<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.oregonlive.com%2Frajneesh%2Findex.ssf%2F2011%2F04%2Fpart_four_paranoia_takes_hold.html&date=2012-03-24″ target=”_blank”>http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2…” target=”_blank”>Fwww.oregonlive.com%2Frajneesh%2Findex.ssf%2F2011%2F04%2Fpart_four_paranoia_takes_hold.html&date=2012-03-24
http://web.archive.org/web/20071115201908/http://…
Ms Dr Ali Sina is right.
Dear John,
Serpent is right. Osho was a cult leader and a pervert charlatan.
I could hypotheticate the answers of Dear Four Square
1. We have capability need and ease to absorb atmospheric oxygen more then , which is in water.2. It is due to the centripetal and centrifugal forces that orbit is elliptical, there is a formula of gravity also, by which we can calculate the path in such orbit. Our Body can take energy via plants so direct can not be achieved. I agree that logic is based upon illogical axioms. Anyway does brother Slave of Prophet(PBUH) understood Allah SWT even without seeing that(Allah SWT can not be He or She). There could be the answer of the question, as Allah knows the best, one who is near Allah SWT, could ask Allah SWT and inform us ? What is Ruh/Spirit , what is the difference between spirit which Allah SWT put in Hazrat Adam AS? Whose spirit was it ? And what Hazrat Jibrael AS is also known as when he talk as per Islam, while dealing with the Birth of Hazrat Isa AS , And what is Al Nur/Light ? Which is nearer to us then jugular vein ?
Killing a life is a horrible deed. Not only do human beings kill animals for food, they also kill each other. It applies to animals too. What has happened in history that led to animals kill each other for food and for self-defence?
vijay… you questioned… how dare you? you are given hell fire for eternity..
slave of mohommad & you nameless muslim .. you both have done good job.. you will be given, not 72 but 144 girls without hole in bottom & limit less bottles of wine (with holes) ..
Am the most almighty most merciful & most beneficent & also most dominant..
@vijay
Who are u to put question on Allah will. If Allah wished that he would teach Mohammed through angle Jibreal, who are we to put question on this? We are to just obey Allah commands. Allah created us not for engaging in augments on Allah decisions but to get worship from us. For Understanding Allah first you need to accept Islam and worship Allah as holy Quran preaches us.
Your question is not a question !
Similar curiosity questions
Why do we have to breath for oxygen despite decomposing oxygen from molecules of water we drink ?
Why not planets rotate around stars in pentagonal orbit ?
Why energy transformed into various forms in way reaching living needs so why don't we get direct plug in recharge from sun or source ?
Questions are not questions one of possible answer is THIS IS IT
Islam teaches Allah knows the best
I just have a question with Muslim brothers and sisters posting here. I want guidance on the issue and i beg you to not to take it otherwise.
If it was decided that Prophet PBUH, will be a messenger much before he was born, why did not Allah SWT thought holy Quran to his spirit before he was born and why did he sent Hazrat Jibarel AS/Gabriel time to time with verses to him? Just a curiosity .
John u r absolutely right,no one knew how great was Osho.hw greates were his thought provoking insights into spirituality. Infact the eastern philosophy is based on two schools of thought one is Yoga and another one is Tantra. To understand these philosophies one must have indepth knowledge of eastern philosophy .People think that by readng scriptures they can understand (or perhaps they have understood) the philosophy .These philosopies are developed not on the intelectual gimmics but on the practical experience. Many have misconception that eastern people see God ineverything .The answer is ,the properites of the water in the inkpiller and the ocean are one and the same ,but water in the inkpiller maynot know the,width,breadth and depth and the elements deposited in the ocean ,because it is keptive in that inkpiller .But when once released that water into the ocean ,the same water become ocean and immedeately comes to know everything about the ocean .Likewise the soul is captive of the body unless it get contact with supersoul it may not know its wastness and for the same reason the ancient sages of Himalayas have developed the above two system of schools .To realise ultimate reality these two practice work as tools.By Yoga one can realise ultimate reality ,but the problem is you have to condition u r mind, that u have to maintain celebacy ,have to issolate u r self from the society (if u r inclined to find ultimate reality) etc.For this u required dogged determination even than u may falter in the middle.Here Tantra comes handy for any aspirent to realise ultimate reality .Tantra is simple dont condition ur mind that means don't curb u r desires ,a time will come u become desireless ( through the process of tantra ) and u will realise the ultimate reality. Osho was the greatest proponent of Tantra. By reading one can't understand yoga or Tantra one has to undergo practice beneath the feet of established master (prior to that one must have supreme will power, half knowledge is dangerous).Thank u
According to new management policy only popular comments are encouraged. Expecting reasoning from christian apologists is waste of time as 99% of them don't care Christianity but are happy doing anti-Islamic research.
Islam never said all of sudden God exists in 7th Century …Message had been delivered before revelation….every people had prophets…
In the process of material development hopeless atheists roam around crust of the sphere and feel accurate about their knowings and findings. While in depth and light of mortal human's relationship with infinite universe the core of that message can be understood.
How about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY
You are mistaken if you think that you are
a FreeThinker.
This video proves nothing. You are confusing the mystical Jesus with the historical Jesus.
It would be the same as if I told you that Mohammed never existed only because I don't believe the Quran is a miracle of God or that he made a journey on the back of a flying horse.
By the 3rd century AD, when Christianity became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire, under Christian emperor Constantine, a significant part of the population was pagan. No wonder then, that a lot of pagan mysticism was incorporated into Christian theology.
I believe that once in a while some Spiritual Master comes down to Earth to help mankind progress. Jesus was one such masters. But all organized religions are man-made to some extent.
Quoting Ali Sina from the article: "There are many paths to spirituality. Islam is not one. Anything that makes you a better person is a spiritual path.".
Just open your mind and study different philosophies (for example Spiritism, Hinduism, Buddhism) and see what good you can learn from them.
Here's a video about proofs of Jesus existence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0&fe…
I just wanted to prove here that Sufis are not what present days Muslims are. More while dealing with the matters related to the God.
I am sorry for the confusion.
Serpent, you are wrong. i have read more than hundred books of Osho. I have not found a single sentence inciting violence. He never praised Hitler, if you read his books ( he never wrote any book, all Osho books are his words to his disciples) you will understand that he preached nothing but that Buddha preached. Of him being a pervert, that is what the 'priests' projected him as. Dont believe in the priests, whether you are Hindu, Christian, Buddhist.
Dear Demsci
I don't know if I am allowed to answer you. But I will try anyway.
Thank you for your compiments , but I really dont deserve them. I'm just a simple person who hates LIES, HATE AND EVILNESS. And ISLAM IS EVIL TO ITS CORE !
SO I FIGHT AGAINT IT EVERYWHERE AS HARD AS I CAN.
I'm convinced that Ali Sina is right. Islam will be defeated by THE TRUTH.!!
Thanks again…..and keep up the good fighting spirit. WE WILL WIN !!!!!!!
Hi Vijay, this is just to remind you to post with the text 'Islamic Myth' in the first line of your post.
Otherwise, we need a second to know that you are posting Myths of Islam and are not talking about Islam..
Even though this page will be removed once 100 myths are collected, posting like Julia does everytime she writes about Islamic myth, makes it easier to comprehend without having to go about who this vijay is.
😀
Osho was at least a pervert.He was also a bio-terrorist,incitied murder of innocents,praised Hitler,involved in fraud and an assassin (even if they were failed attempts)
Mr Sina, I am with you all the way. I wish you would read the books of Osho. I was born into a christian family. I challenged the Bible as a little boy and when nobody, neither my parents nor my sunday school teachers could answer my questions, I dropped christianity. After reading hundreds of books about various philosophies, I was attracted to only one philosophy, rather, teaching – that of Buddha. Siddhartha Gautama, known as Buddha. His teachings are explained in simple words by Osho. Read one single book by Osho and your life will be changed. Unfortunately, media have portrayed Osho as a sex guru, which is far from the truth.
What part of What I said are you countering…
I said, caste system was a way to classify people based on their temperaments.
People were born with a temperament and they were classified as such
They were 'not' classified as Higher to anybody or Lower to anybody.
For ex: You have character, red and not blue. Therefore if you do whatever a red has to do you will be content.
and you counter is by asking 'how come some are untouchables aka low-caste ?'
for which I had said in the same posts..
'The caste system that 'exists now' was twisted in the medieval times into the present hierarchy of high and low castes…' which means it still exists in the society in its twisted form..
and you counter it by claiming to the effect of "even hindus admit it exist…"
I never said that it doesn't exists in the Indian society now.
Hindus will admit it because it exists even now.
Therefore my post says: Caste system that exists now is a alter form of an originally better idea.
and yours says, The caste system exists even now.
You haven't countered anything i said.
Please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CWBKRWIg0&fe…
You will find many other videos to watch.
We all know that the quran was copied from the OT & NT
then, it is automatically null and invalid..
Humans are the only animals who kill for sport. All other animals only kill for food or self-defense.
Very apt Julia, please keep reacting so apposite.
The whole damned point of this website is to talk about Islam and it's texts, claims, influence, history and whether or not it is a good idea to follow it.
and whether or not there are good alternatives for it. Developed by mankind since the 7th century. and especially in the 18th century and beyond.
This site in the first place is meant to show doubting Muslims the bad, or dark side of Islam, and it's many shortocomings and it's alternatives, so that they can choose wisely how to invest their lives, religion-wise. Because otherwise, with their community they run the risk of being brainwashed, hearing only the good side of Islam, not the detrimental and untrue parts.
So Ali Sina does show this dark side and lack of truth of Islam and Aminriadh tries to defend Islam by demanding evidences, using modern methodology.
But all the time it is the 7th century so-called DIVINE words of Allah, that do not measure up to modern methodology, that are to be proven in the first place. That Aminriadh, with his scientific mindset, is supposed to believe in. While he totally uncritically accepts that doctrine. Using entirely different, much higher standards when he is confronting Ali Sina and you. Double standards of a staggering proportion by Aminriadh. And this remains his achilles-heel. And you keep touching it.
By demanding that opponents of Islam measure up to high academic standards, is Aminriadh not insulting Allah, when it is abundantly clear that ALLAH's words certainly are failing those same academic standards, that he insists must be maintained?
Allah, being so much wiser than mere academics, is supposedly still demanding that his followers make do with such primitive, obsolete, unclear, incomplete texts as Quran-Hadiths-Sira?! Why do intelligent Muslims put up with this DIVINE tyranny? Or rather PRIESTLY tyranny?
And you Julia, keep reminding Aminriadh of the REVELATION he believes in, in preference to the REASON he uses against us, but not on that REVELATION.
THANK YOU AND MY COMPLIMENTS, JULIA!
He means me, Julia, but Aminriadh is using a strawman fallacy. What he claims that I think about you is a twisted version of what I actually said and mean.
I certainly admitted that your were insulting, but I explained why you do that and why I see this as effective. Insulting in my view is a lawful weapon at times and under conditions.
But I never withdrew that you were intelligent and knowledgeable of Islam. And I hereby confirm that I think that you are above average intelligent. As for knowledge of Islam; 0h, you have it at your fingertips, and can find useful links anywhere. But you also possess in your brain already much information about Islam. More than enough to reject it, more than enough to know that it is from the 7th century and that it in part opposes freedoms, democratic rules, the golden rule, scientific theories, especially those in history.
Now there is Anjali who supports you too and I am sure many others do, at times you get many pluspoints.
So the lone supporter is still totally on your side and admiring your spirited answers to Aminriadh and other Muslims!
I didn't find any real resemblance between Jesus and the gods you mentioned. The celebration of Christmas on December 25th has to do with ancient pagan festivities of the winter solstice, it doesn't mean that Jesus was actually born on this day. The virgin birth of the Messiah is an ancient Jewish prophecy in the book of Isaiah. Anyway, I give more relevance to Jesus' moral teachings than to the mystical and theological aspects of Christianity.
Jesus didn't exist? Though I am not a historian I find that hard to believe. Even though Palestine was a godforsaken corner of the Roman empire, there are several mentions to Jesus in the 1st century. It is recorded, for example, that around the year 60 AD Roman emperor Nero blamed the members of a new "superstitious cult" named Christians for a fire that destroyed Rome, which Nero himself had ordered, and had them severely persecuted, fed to the lions in circus shows, etc. These Christians worshiped a carpenter who had been crucified in Palestine under the rule of Pontius Pilate, some 30 years earlier. There are also the Dead Sea gnostic gospels found in 1945. Admitting that Jesus never existed, who could have made up such a superior teacher? It would be easier to imagine a Mohammed than a Jesus.( I do not wish to question the historical existence of Mohammed, I live that up to the scholars!). Oh, and of course, the Quran claims that Jesus existed, so it must be right! LOL. 🙂
Do you want another difference between the Bible and the Quran? The crappy stuff in the Bible (the law of Moses) was abrogated by Jesus, meaning a huge improvement. Whereas the Quran which, unlike the Bible, was authored by one man alone, is full of contradictions and many verses are abrogated, but only the few good ones, such as "There is no compulsion in religion", replaced by "Kill the infidels wherever you find them", etc, etc.
I believe that each religion is appropriate for its context of time and space. By the time of Moses, the Jews were a nomadic harsh ignorant people with low moral sense who would never understand the Golden Rule, they would only understand "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". That is why the OT is so barbaric.The same applied to the followers of Mohammed.
What is really sad is that, in the 21st century, there are still people with a 7th-century mentality, and what's worse, willing to impose it on others. Only evil spirits impose their ways and demand worship.
Anyway, all creatures are destined to progress. Unfortunately, suffering is often what pushes us up the ladder of spiritual evolution. Without suffering, we would never appreciate happiness. If life was too easy we wouldn't need to develop our brains (and would be dull too!). Neither would we develop compassion for other living beings.
Hey.. mind you language.. am not pimp..
OK one more question, suppose I read Surah Al Fateh or Darood Sharif on the grave of a wali/Great Person. Are you going to punish me ? or you will leave it on Allah SWT ? Or suppose by the influence of Iblis, i start to go to non Muslim place of worship, what is my punishment by you and by Allah SWT ?
Thanks for your reply brother, you really opened my Eyes. Being a non Muslim is a bigger sin then being a rapist and murder. Long Live Dr Zakir Naik. I would like more comments from you to guide the sinner like me about Islam. I appreciate your truthfulness and clear speak. With great people like you, enemies will get no chance to harm Islam. You are more then enough. More information please. Rest of all including Sister Julia, look at Abduh Rasul(Arabic Translation). He is providing you a great info.
what is spiritual life and spiritual death want elobaratios
Who say's so
Simple don't get confused ,u r confyning to ur physical body ,grow beyond and pratice (meditaion) beyond your physical entitiy to realise what the gentlemen hinted above.
Spirtiuality is not submission you fool ,it is finding and realisation of ultimate reality it requires relentless Tapas (Meditation) simply submitting the unknown without verification is harmfull here Buddha comes handy "Don't believe because I am saying so , don't believe u r sripture ,hollybook say's so ,verify them by your own effort (meditaion) and find the answer".
@Vijay
We should have sympathy for all whoever is follower of prophet & Islam. Because there is no sin greater than non-believing in prophet and Allah. Allah can forgiven any greater sin including rape, terrorism etc. but not non-believer in him. I think Osama, Kasab, Afajal, Da-ud, etc were not great sinner because they are / were believer in Allah while Ali Sina, Budhha, Einstine, Newton, Gandhi etc. will be in hell for ever because they were/are non-believer in my prophet. And no one can save them from the hell as per holy Quran.
The personality of Jesus resembles or a copy of some ancient
gods, like: Horus, Mythra and Krishna and some Greek gods.
They say Jesus didn't even exist.
Ali Sina is not talking about banning Islam as a 'religion', but rather as a political movement.
And YES, Islam IS a political movement just like Nazism and Communism. The only thing different about Islam is that it is wearing the mask of 'religion' which helps it fool others.
Read this article regarding a court case where the attorney representing the Muslims argued that Islam is political and won the case-
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/government-argues-that…
Here is the news report showing how those arguing regarding Islam's political nature won the case- http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/10/25/sixth-circuit…
Just an input, the lines attributed to Guru Nanak is in Sikh text but by Hazrat Kabir Saheb. With faith in God, when ego dies and we love all, see God in all. This "wishful" thinking comes to truth.
I could say that i does not apply to Allah SWT, the instructions to not to swear by anything but Allah. I agree that true essence of Sufi is to believe that anything within universe and outside it is nothing but the God. Panentheism. Anyway what is the need to swear? Allah encompass all. So with this my message to Muslim brethren is to see Allah in non believers too and do not hate anyone who even offends Islam. They can anyway start to hate me now.
Unfortunately…………..wishful thinking !
So when are you marrying your daughter in law ?,
I believe you have already married off your 6 year old daughter to a filthy old brain dead muzzi like yourself .
To hell with your pedophile mohammed and the pimp allah .
Get lost Idiot !
This is not your belief , this is your misconception !
Belief is purely a first step in building a relationship affirmative not any wacko attempt against anything.
very well said.
I believe mohammed was a pedophile and a murder .
And his god allah did pimping for him . Is this belief you are mentioning !.
If not then you are a filthy animal .
Life is uncertain but death is certain………………………Buddha. ( Be born, get old, get sick and die………….. Famous Chinese saying. )
The world is afraid of death: to me it bring bliss…………..Guru Nanak. ( To me, death will bring relief from my worn out, aching body.)
Death in the physical world is birth in the spiritual world………………..Mahikari. ( Your late relatives will have a welcoming party for you on the other side. So don’t worry. )
Unless you are born again ( as a spirit ), you cannot see the kingdom of God……….Jesus said in John 3 ;3 ( So Jesus did died, and went to heaven as a spirit to be with the Holy Spirit. )
This is how monkey replies !
And what if you have been provided with Bank Identifier Code and verisign approved payment gateway ?
and yes.. for this I will personally thank you muslims..
I have very honest and practical relationship with animals. I see them as animals.
And about your emotional weakness for animals I have already said about things which look similar but not the same.
Hope someday chickens will feel intimacy and mind their self esteem ! Till then this baked garlic chicken is delicious
if that has been made easier with our govt. .. cant make any transactions outside to prevent money laundering..
Julia you are stupid. Just like some one who tell a joke and found no one is laughing and try to convince that was a joke !
Oh have you not yet done your job of humiliating Muslims?! Hurry …..!
Ok do one favor please donate this website 4500 USD.(Attn :Administrator of website should acknowledge this) This website is facing financial crunches and you bitches eating bandwidth for free !! We Muslims are respected guests here ok.
Let me see your daily earning how well you do or you do just monkey things in life ! lol
I have seen loads of popeye like you and thrown in dust bin hahaha
slave will always be slave .. go and drink that healthy urine of camel… or you may refute this claim…
[youtube Yz7QwOAf4Ww http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7QwOAf4Ww youtube]
. ye those who believe,,… refute this one…
[youtube Yz7QwOAf4Ww http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7QwOAf4Ww youtube] ..
In terms of material, my daily earning would probably be more than your monthly. Thanks to my ancestors & parents who built enough property and business, I need not to do any job and follow someone's order. I spend my time meditating and researching on my own. And yes, I like to play as well.
Brother Slave of Prophet PBUH, From your ways I could make out that your have sympathy for Dr Zakir Naik, Salafiya or Ahle Hadith. Think many time before posting your reply here. More you give the replies here, more you will be proving the people opposing to Islam, correct. They want to prove you illogical so try to use logic and control the language and not to get provoked. Rest is in your hand. I am from Sufi side so for me Dr Naik is much far from Allah SWT as Agniveer guys are.
Thank You Mr. Sina for ur insightful comments , i agree to some of ur points.I am a firm believer that the core message of every religion is spiritual rather than moral. I ve realized the immigrant muslims are bit radical than the ethical one here. The excessive child bearing tax should apply to any domain.. I m great supporter of freedom and think one shouldn't practice his/her freedom at the cost of another's. classifying islam as a political movement seems disputable & encourages me to do some research on the subject(islam)since i ve only few etic view of islam as an outsider.
Finally, I would like to praise ur efforts on vegetarianism and hope this flame wll rekindle millions of other flames. Nothing is valuable than life(whoever's) and we should pass on green earth to next generation rather than red blood drenched earth.
u using the b word proves ur class & upbringing & ur prophets lineage.
I don't think I dare to debate you and I think Ali Sina neither , but you never know.
I think you are even SMARTER then Aminriadh ! You are not bluffing, that is clear .
Perhaps you can translate the ARBI quran into CLEAR English. The Arabic yuran seems to give much problems to muslim scholars , but if you translate from ARBI everything might become clear ! 🙂
I have read the Quran (and much of the ahadit and Sirat only in English) ….not in ARBI .
I don't even dare to humiliate you , because you clearly show to ALL of us that you really belong to "THE BEST OF CREATION".
Goodby…Slave (!) of prophet !!
@Julia
I do not see any clown here greater than you. Your comments not worthy to read even Ali Sina advised you not to post more than 5. Have you read Quran and hadiths before commenting on prophet & Islam. You do not know iota of Arbi language in which holy Quran was delivered by Allah, Arbi world most easiest language to understand. How can you comment on Quran? I challenge you and your prophet Ali Sina of US$75000 if you have guts to win debate from me.
The CLOWN Zakir Naik did refute NOTHING . He is a jugler and he is fooling gullible muslim-SLAVES like you !:-) READ HERE about this ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST called NAIK : http://www.faithfreedom.org/?s=zakir+naik&x=0…
By the way: Your reaction has NOTHING to do with the comment tou reacted on.
Dear Slave of prophet, you know not what you believe in.
Abraham means a father of many nations.
Dear Rainbow, has it ever came across your mind when, where and how killing first started in history?
Ali Sina is a member of agniveer team http://www.agniveer.com a Arya Samaji cult who is fighting against Islam. Dr Zakir Naik also refuted all claims of Ali Sina & agniveer.
@thinkingIndian
You bloody Idol worshiper Hindu can not understand my prophet (SAW). My prophet did marry with 6 years old girl in his 55 of age because it was custom of that time in Saudi Arabia and prophet wanted to teach others How to keep little wife. But Prophet did sex with mother Aisha when she reached at 9. Prophet did sex with Zainab his daughter – in – law after getting married with her. First Zainab was given divorced by Zaid then prophet married with her. Prophet married with daughter in law because he want to take her responsibility. And for that prophet got divine order also from Allah.
Dear Ali Sina u hav asked Julia not 2 post more than 5 posts but said nothing to our scientist Mr. Aminriadh. Y this discrimination? Secular Appeasement? R u influenced by the Indian Government?
I dont think he married a 9 year old or married the wife of his son or killed anybody hu dus not believe in Allah, u r correct he dus not submit to Muhammad or Allah, he is a kaffir man, lowest of low life & he will burn in hell becos he did not 'Marry' ne women who's husband he killed, he did not loot temples or distribute looted money, really he is unworthy of his life. he dus not believe in killing animals.
R u a true follower? Do u do these things?
So can u tell tell me y the difference between elctron & proton? Can there be a particle smaller than the neutron? Science fellow, let me test ur science level.
As if u r any better….
Ali Sina,
O.K. I will diminish the number of humiliating (for the muslims) comments.
I think I have made my point clear now to these TAQIYYA and brainwashed people (Like this LIAR Aminriadh ). But when it is necessary I will humiliate these HAUGHTY(because of low self esteem!) cretins again. I still think they need some hard "kicks in the a$s" so now and then. And I think we should treat these muslim HARSHLY ( a taste of their own medicin ), because otherwise they NEVER wake up out of there unconsciousness ! Political "CORRECT" hot are talk , will not change the mindset of these violent people . They only understand POWER !! And (BESIDES HELL-FIRE :-)) to be ashamed is their greatest fear. It is a real threat to the whole world .
SO I really HATE THIS EVIL CULT , but not the good human beings these muslims can become when they leave their backward "religion". You yourself are a great example of this !
Have a nice, LONG life in FREEDOM !!!
Moreover:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
Rainbow may be right on pointing out some resemblances between the Quran and the Old Testament.. But the claim that Jesus is a prophet of Islam is definitely a fallacy! When did Jesus urge his followers to violence?
Some verses in the Quran mention Jesus, but never his teachings. In fact, Jesus moral teachings are constantly contradicted throughout the Quran. Do you really think that Jesus' God is the same one of the Quran (or the OT!)?
@Fool Hindu people worshiping the Cow instead of Allah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBxQPlp7zQg
Haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa
@thinkingIndian/
You bloody Indian/ Idol worshiper/ cow worshiper. Allah gives cow to consume its meat but you Indian worship the cow instead of Allah lord of universe sitting on above the 7th sky.
sometimes I doubt about Ali Sina may be hidden member of agniveer.com.
Vijay is not a Hindu. & Allah that dus not get worship will loose his temper & power. Hahahaha
All what you say does not mean a thing to me. Apparently, you don't
have any experience when it comes to animals, and you are talking
to some one who lived over 20 years with animals, and established
a mental and spiritual bond with them, I communicate with them, and
I understand what they want, also they understand what I want and
don't want by doing what I want and avoiding what I don't want. All
this understanding is done by telephthy and body language. This
means, they have intellect.
They also show me, how happy or sad or frustrated they are, this
means they have feelings and emotions.
The only relationship between you and the animals, is that you know
how to eat them. There is no way for you to know that they feel and
think like we do.
@Ali Sina
You do not know ABC of spirituality. Spirituality means submission to the will of Allah, following prophet in day to day life. Are u following prophets in your day to day life?
@Vijay
You HIndu are worst people of the world. Allah will punish you for not getting worship from you.
Muslim Brethren are requested to stay away from those co coreligionists, who may like the killing of non Muslims or their death as in case of Gujrat Earthquake or Sandy storm in USA.
I also agree, Naturalist, Why cant humas just stop eating meat?
I dont agree Abraham called the founder, Abraham did not established 3 religion, so religion only based on Abraham faith, and the three you called claim decendent of Abraham wether it is false or true.
I am not justifying killing animals on grounds of feelings ! Its already justified if you analyze ecosystem and food chain. Seems you hate lions and love rabbits but I know lions are lovely creatures as others ! Its all about ecosystem.
And about feelings , plant do have feelings and about human being herbivores look at conditions in south pole , north pole, deserts.
Human differ from animals considering needs, have consciousness about soul, life. The difference between animals and human is same as between sex and intimate sex. You have to understand the actual difference for the same thing which look similar but not the same.
Its ridiculous to think that animals have same understanding of emotional, spiritual aspects about life and whereabouts ! Yeah some animals do search their stay without help from google map but you can't say they do this act the same way human do . Its never been the case
I believe that vegetarians are in a higher rank than meat-eaters.
What I meant by rank, is ethical and spiritual.
Slaughtering is brutal whether it is copied or not. I just wanted to
tell you that "Abraham" was the father and the founder of those
three religions, which are equally inhumane with slight differences.
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, did you really seriously study history or merely just anyhow gauge from your own limited understanding that slaughtering animals is copied from Abraham? Please think and ask your good self when did the first slaughtering of animal take place and why is it necessary? Could it be that something terrible must have happened in history that led to blood shed?
I have seen so many hypocrites who shred tears for chickens and cows but enjoy when some Muslim lads got killed in war !!
I am really bored with this ! Any solution ??? "Once Islam is exposed, it will lose its power. Islam relies on deception for its growth. Without deception it is doomed. "
And this is funny about banning Islam The first step is to declassify Islam as a religion and classify it as a political movement. This allows you to ban it without violating any human rights.
Just feel lucky I am talking to low IQ person like you coz you are talking about Islam !!!
Go to sleep debate is over "Muslims have won"
That is really not true. One does not necessarily become a superior human by merely becoming vegetarian or vegan. It is only a step in the right direction.
And why should the practice of slaughtering animals be less evil when it is copied from Abraham? It is still evil. Abraham was a crazy man.
Julia,
You are flooding the comment section with too many comments that really don’t say anything. Too much comments slows down the site and when they are not smart talk people leave the forum. Please do not post more than five comments per day.
OF COURSE….NOTHING !!! 🙂 from EMPTY HEAD !
Your evil Quran, Hadiths etc. show ONLY HATE TOWARDS NON-MUSLIMS !!!
YEP….YOU ARE RIGHT THIS TIME….YOU ARE PSYCHOTIC !!!
How honest for a muslim to admit this !!! HAHAHAHAHA
And again predicting Aminriadh ! Yes …you are a prophet too ! Better even then your insan camel ; He prophesied NOTHING !!!!!!! 🙂
Again Sina's comments show considerable hate towards Muslims. This is beyond the claim of hating Islam and not Muslims. He cannot main this easy line.
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"This can be done by not giving them license to build mosques, preventing new Muslim immigration and taxing excessive childbearing."
One rule for others – another for Muslims . . . this will radically alter Western societies at a FUNDAMENTAL level. This is Unlikely to happen. Not for any love of Islam – but maintaining their own beliefs, morality and ethics.
– – – –
" However, the most effective way is to educate the masses about the truth and the dangers of Islam."
Whose version? As repeatedly shown – Sina often lies about Islam – and extensively.
– – –
"Islam relies on deception for its growth. Without deception it is doomed. "
Ranting and raving BS.
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"The first step is to declassify Islam as a religion and classify it as a political movement. This allows you to ban it without violating any human rights. "
And from here begins the lies . . . . Islam is NOT a political movement. It has political elements – but it far more than that.
This again shows singular hate towards Islam alone.
– – –
I have repeatedly pointed out – many of Sina's "falsifications" – but does he answer. No.
One predicts there is something not right about him. Psychotic?
I THOUGHT I WAS "MY DEAR " and now I am suddenly a "TROLL" again ! 🙂
Oh MY !!!!
NO ANSWER ON THIS ONE FROM THE EVIL MUSLIMS !!! OF COURSE NOT !
IBN KATHIR Is A VERY FAMOUS MUSLIM SCHOLAR !! YEP !!!!
REA IT : The Dhmmies (=non-muslims) must be "disgraced, humiliated and belittled."
Oh dear, oh dear !
YOU are very cheap !! 🙂
OH MY DEAR….OH DEAR…OH ….HAHAHAHA !!!
OH DEAR ?? 🙂
ALIF,LAM,MEEM….OH DEAR !!! Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
OH MY … OH DEAR ! 🙂
OH DEAR ….OH DEAR ? YEP ….OH DEAR !!! HAHAHAHA AAAAAA !
Oh my, OH DEAR ! ….PITY ,PITY, REALLY !!! MY DEAR !!! HAHAHA !
Why do you say "we humans" ? once a human refrain from eating
meat, he/she is one step above humanity.
I think you cannot deny that Islam learned the ritual of slaughtering
from "Abraham" . It all started as a dream……what a dream! it was
a nightmare, or a sleep-paralysis.
PIty, PITY, PITY , …..PITY …REALLY ….REALLY….! HAHAHA !!!
The TRUTH is NEVER repulsive ! 🙂
Think about this "EINSTEIN" 🙂
You can try ,Rainbow ! You never know 🙂
I 've always believed so. It all started from the roots of the rotten
tree, when "Abraham" had his famous dream, or nightmare.
YEP !!
ISLAM IS DOWN AND DONE !!
Muslims don’t need to be marginalized. They marginalize themselves by not integrating.
As long as Muslims are a minority there is harmony. Once the percentage of Muslims reaches 10% then they will start wanting privileges or they will terrorize others.
Stopping Islam must take place while they are still a small minority. This can be done by not giving them license to build mosques, preventing new Muslim immigration and taxing excessive childbearing. However, the most effective way is to educate the masses about the truth and the dangers of Islam. Once Islam is exposed, it will lose its power. Islam relies on deception for its growth. Without deception it is doomed.
The first step is to declassify Islam as a religion and classify it as a political movement. This allows you to ban it without violating any human rights.
You are saying so to justify killing the animals, but there is no
doubt that you know very well that animals feel exactly as
the humans do. If you don't believe that animals have
feelings, then you are not human.
I COPY-PASTE HERE the comment of The NAMELES MUSLIM . Also called Empty Set { } and Empty Head .
HE SAYS : " As long you don't believe (IN ISLAM OF COURE!) , you are not into any relation , any love , any faith not in human life ! You are animal indeed !!! "
DO YOU AGREE WITH YOUR MUSLIM-BTOTHER Aminriadh (and ALL other muslims) ??
HOW ABOUT THIS….READERS ???
I think you are right. As much as religions are stupid…..atheists are arrogant
repulsive
Thank you for agreeing , you stupid AND VERY EVIL brainwashed muslim !!!.
THE TAQIYYA MUSLIMS WILL NOT LIKE YOUR HONESTY !! 🙂
You show again HOW EVIL YOU MUSLIMS THINK !!!
THANK YOU FOR HELPING US ! HAHAHAHAAAAAAA
How can I argue with a dummy and a stupid?
watch the video I posted, this is a proof.
You keep repeating the same words on and on and on…..like: illiterate,
narcissist and so forth when you want to escape a lure.
Did you read the bible? read it, and you will know where he got his
ideas from. Tell me what you think of the video I posted, and do not
let me hear again the same cracked old record of yours.
It is very FUNNY again.
The superstitious Muslims don't dare to talk about JINNS!!!
BOOOOOOOOOO!!!! HAHAHA . HEY "INTELLECTUAL" Aminriadh ! Come on man …don't be a COWARD AGAIN !!
I SEE THAT YOU ARE ANGRY , AMIRAT !! YOU WANT TO KILL ME !! IS IT NOT ? OH…YES ! LIKE EVERY GOOD MUSLIM. I INSULTED YOUR CRAZY FAKE PROPHET 🙂
AND YES…ALL YOUR ANSWERS SHOW THAT YOU FEEL VERY HUMILIATED.
AND YOU DO IT TO YOURSELF !!!! HAHAHAHA !
Perhaps Allah likes your SUFFERINg for him and grants you some more VIRGINS TO NIKAH in your brothelheaven ! BWAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
And the most painful thing for you is: I'm having FUN…BIG TIME !! 🙂 🙂
Aminriadh asks : "Who are these normal thinking people . . . and what are they saying?"
That is AGAIN a stupid QUESTION. The normal thinking people are the NON-MUSLIMS.They can think FREELY and are NOT brainwashed , They are not threatened by HELL FIRE or whatever nonsense.
You can NOT think FREELY because of, for instance Surah 33:36.
You are a slave of allah and mohammed ! PERIOD !
BTW : I DON'T NEED ANY SUPPORT , BECAUSE I HAVE THE TRUTH ; AND THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. What I do see is ,that many,many readers think like me about Islam. And their number is growing and growing….OF COURSE ! NORMAL PEOPLE HATE EVILNESS , AND ISLAM IS PURE EVIL !!! BYE !! 🙂
YOU PROVED NOTHING ! You THINK you did ! I said it earlier, you are like your narcissistic prophet . You are a megalomaniac like Mohammed.
You SUGGEST(!) constantly that you UNDERSTAND much science. . . . inlc. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Maths and Logic !!! You are trying to impress the readers.
YOU ARE A TYPICAL MUSLIM .YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE ONE OF "THE BEST OF CREATION ". YOU ARE CLEARLY ARROGANT AND HAUGHTY.
BUT IT ONLY MAKES YOU FUNNY AND RIDICULOUS ! 🙂
OH…and AGAIN : YOU,AMINRIADH ARE THE LIAR !!! THE TAQIYYA MUSLIM…But it does not work a bit !!!
You don't know me ,stupid muslim.
Would you like to kill me too? I bet you would like it .
There is no gold at the end of your rainbow, that's for sure ! 🙂
Yes,yes,yes, MITU….we know that you muslims are completely crazy ! Bye !!
EXACTLY FreeThinker !!!
"The only true religion is following the Golden Rule. "
And this wonderful rule is NOT in Islam. !
There are many,many surahs which say that muslims can not befriend non-muslims ,on the contrary they must treat them harshly ( by following their evil fake prophet Mohammed)
For instance:
Surah 48:29 says: " Muhammad is the apostle of Allah; and those who are with him are strong (harsh,hard) against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.
AND surah 9:73 — "O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
AND SO IT GOES ON AND ON IN THIS EVIL BOOK !!
The WHOLE Quran is COMPLETELY IN CONTRAST WITH THE GOLDEN RULE. !
Isn't that peaceful ???
I am not some kind of bigot who thinks the Bible, and the OT in particular should be believed and followed blindly. The Bible too was written by men, and I am aware that it contains a lot of nonsense, particularly the Old Testament.
In some cases it is also a matter of interpretation. Jesus didn't mean you should actually cut off your hand, just avoid the sources of temptation.
In most cases he is pretty clear:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"
The only true religion is following the Golden Rule.
The existence of ritual slaughter is a proof that one religion/cult does not originate from God or the Higher Spirituality but rather from evil, low-level, blood-thirsty spirits who take pleasure on bloodshed. Many ancient pagan "gods" demanded to be worshiped with animal and even human sacrifices.
But I agree that animals don't suffer less in industrial farms and commercial/conventional slaughter houses. As one becomes more spiritually evolved, they tend to stop consuming meat and animal products.
Haji Mastan has made a chain of Madrasas in Terai belt(indo nepal border) from Pilibheet to Kishanganj. Open border with Nepal is used by anti Indian forces to infiltrate India. I was a part of some department which guards the border on India side.
Well some wahabis call Sufis as crypto pagan, crypto Hindu, Crypto Christian. For the failure of peace we need to go much behind in time of Dahir of Sindhu. I agree that for 1 Sufi, there are 10 wahabis. Sufis can not protect themselves in Wahabi rule so their fighting for non Muslim right is not possible. I could only recommend you to read the book by Ibn Warraq, "why I am not Muslim". There you read the chapter dedicated to Sufis. Sufis were not only prosecuted but also killed by bigot Muslims both in India and abroad. Best example is Hazrat Mansur of Iran and Prince Dara Shikoh of India. We have different meaning for Jihad, Kafir and similar things. Good lot of Sufi literature is written in Hindi also like Padmavat. You might be aware that Hindu heroine kills self by immolation , so that she is not enslaved by Sultan Khilji.
Mr. Sina i happened to pass-by ur site while goggling. I m frm Nepal, a hindu majority country with strong buddhist minority but we do have muslim presence for a long time(about 4% of population are muslims). everyone is living harmoniously though there was few tension few yrs back but situation has normalized. The pictures are quite disturbing , i agree. If we tend to marginalize the muslim community, wont they feel that they are marginalized and become more radical and destructive? Instead of cursing, cant we think of some educated way around? These types of messages beget hatred, i feel.
I give full support and best wishes for the campaign of vegetarianism, You must take what you cannot give back.
You are welcome dear.
We have special communication system for people to let understand things better in their native languages and moral standards !
Damn psycho !!! What you thought of meat balls? huh ?!! and barbecued !!!
As long you don't believe , you are not into any relation , any love , any faith not in human life ! You are animal indeed !!!
Playground was very much funny ! Didn't your parents want you to do some serious job ? Oh monkey when will you learn things ? ! hahaha
If you dont know or understand something, doesnt means you should reject it. Ponder upon that before making silly comments.
The sword of Islam used to shine in bad old days ,but now it is fast getting rusty …and weak
Dear Vijay, here v have 2 deal with a mind-set that leads to terrorism. UR peace-talks hav failed long ago when Gandhiji failed in keeping the 1 nation theory & stupid Pakistan was created. The whole of the subcontinent was thinking peaceful thoughts like u but were butchered starting from the 1500s AD. Don't u have ne questions regarding y the blood bath occured? Cant u c a link between what is written in the Kuran & what happened to India? I think Islam is true only if it is wahabi, jihadi, shiite etc etc.U sufis were probably Hindus & tried desperately to make a place in the wahabi tent.
Hi Rainbow, there is spiritual life and spiritual death beyond the grave.
AHA ,so you think (believe !) that we DISBILIEVERS (Kafirun) don't have humanity !! We Atheïsts, Jews, Hindus, Budists, Christians don't feel like you Muslims ( "the best of creation)?
NOW I understand why it so easy for muslims to kill some "DISBELIEVERS"(=non-muslims) !
Because Quran surah 8:55 says clearly:
"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve"
إِنَّ شَرَّ الدَّوَابِّ عِندَ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فَهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ
Inna sharra alddawabbi AAinda Allahi allatheena kafaroo fahum la yuminoona
AGAIN…… A LOGICAL FALLACY ,A TU QUOQUE , if you know what it means!
You muslims come always with the same stupid answers…ALWAYS ! 🙂
This doesn't make your evil Allah nor Mohammed any better!
TU QUOQUE , if you know what it means!
This doesn't make your evil Allah nor Mohammed any better! 🙂
I thought you are going to sue me for loving meat balls"
Gay
We can discuss it on my You Tube channel instead of spamming this forum
http://www.youtube.com/user/ExposingHinduism
Wrong.I know hinduism thanks to you
Thank you for this answer , it shows again the backward mindset of muslims. Thank you Empty set { }. 🙂
When Chinese read fukc you he thinks there is something sex innit but American knew well lol
Coz animals don't have humanity ! So their way to feel is not humanity based. Its absurd to think that they are thinking like human.
I will love to see you including all Christians, Hindus, Buddhist not eating meat now onwards on humanitarian ground. This will help Muslims in getting meat at cheaper price.
PBUH, Does not mean "peace be upon him".,(from arabic: (Arabic: صلى الله عليه وسلم ṣall Allāhu ʿalay-hi wa-sallam ).
This another LIE of Islam.
Read this : http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/pbu…
And you will see it means that Allah "prays", which is impossible . How can a god pray? To whom? Think about this please !
TRUE !!!
"Allah and God are the same entity" ?
———-
Prove your claim !
First question: Who is god? Does he exist? Proofs, please !
Allah is a pre-islamic IDOL , that's what scholars say !
AHAAAA….A new muslim-clown to play with ! 🙂
Very cheap comment indeed.
What are you trying to say?
Saying about somebody's comments that they are cheap, is CHEAP 🙂
What about my comment on Surah 3:110 ?
Saying that a certain group of people is "the best of nations", is NAZI-like and therefore EVIL (don't you agree?). Aminriadh does constantly use Taqiyya, .being a true muslim
SO what is "cheap"( whatever it means) about calling him EVIL TAQIYYA MUSLIM ??
You are right. We humans are a cruel and ruthless species. The indigenous people of Canada (the first nation) also go killing wales for no reason at all. They don’t need the meat of wale in this day and age when supermarkets are full of meat even in remote places. It is just the fun of killing I suppose. The same is true about people who go hunting. How can people enjoy this activity is beyond my ken.
However, in Islam killing is elevated to sacredness. It is a religious duty. More people are turning away from meat eating, The problem is that meat eating in Islam is encouraged. Go and listen to Zakir Naiks talks.
How do you now? Are you an animal yourself ?
"But, this cruelty of killing animals is not exclusively Islamic."
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This is a logical fallacy,Rainbow. A socalled TO QUOQUE (= you also).
The fact that there are others TOO who are cruel to animals , does not make the senseless Islamic cryelty less cruel at all.
Muhammad got his ideas from the same place Jim Jones, Charles Manson and David Koresh got theirs. He was a narcissist and mentally insane. He said nothing that an illiterate man of his time and place could not have known. Educated people of his time knew far more things than him. All the miracles Muslims claim about the Quran are lies.
Do you know now where did Mohammad get his ideas from?
Allah and God are the same entity.
I am trying to be neutral, I do not believe in any religion but in the God. For me prophet PBUH, did not start a religion but preached non dualism/Adwaitism(it is only associated with Vedanta only but all the panentheism). People after him created a cult, which Dr Ali Sina is opposing. There are Sufis like St. George/Al Khidr, Mehar Baba(of Iran), Sufi Surdas(of Punjab) and a good lot of present day people, whose name could be like that of mine.
I do practice something related to Sufism but can not say that I am Sufi more due to the fact that I still have hatred, ego etc within me and I should be Vegetarian in my diet to be great enlightened Sufi. I have taken education of some practice to conquer the mind and go near to the God.
For Sufi practice, Democracy is must or if there is Islamist rule, it will be banned. Sufis have different orders or Silsilah . Some of them, who are not near God, have such feeling about Muslims and non Muslims, they have history of not acting the Sufi way.
While if you are from India, you must know that deity of Sindhis Sai Jhule Lal was in fact native of Iran, His name is Sakhi Shahbaz Qalandar from Suharwardi order. Sikh peoples primary book has contribution from a Sufi of Chisti order Baba Farid. Their main center at Amritsar had foundation laid down by a Qadari Sufi, Sai Mia Meer. The head of their Ninth Guru(who was beheaded by Aurangzeb) reached to Tenth Guru only with the help of Sufis like Nabha Shah and Twwakkal Shah Naqshbandi.
Shivaji Raje Grand Father was not having a son. Only with the blessing of Sufi Hazrat Shah Sharif , he got two sons, so named them Shahji Bhonsle and Sharifji Bhonsle, the former became father of Maharaja Shiva Ji.
I am not telling anyone to follow Sufism here. But want Sufis also to be protected from Islamists.
Animals don't feel the pain the way human feel.
This multiverse is a playground for us !!! hahaha kido you are posted at black hole ! Now Immortal spiritual beings got Internet lol
Scientific illusions errrrr !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.godisimaginary.com/video2.htm / proving that the bible is repulsive
Killing will never stop, until the "day of judgment", because this life is based
on killing, and creatures prey on one another (including humans).
Killing will never stop, because simply, life is a battle.
According to Charles Darwin theory of evolution, monkeys evolved into humans.
If you had been through school and learned a little bit of science, you know that everyone and everything is energy/god.. nothing is separated.. I am as far from you as your hand is from you… but your evil, materialistic, dumb mind might not accept this fact. You will ask for proof, but you cannot think about it… think about it through the mind of quantum physics..
You will utter that everything is god's .. I would say.. open your eyes dumb ass.. This multiverse is a playground for us.. the all knowing immortal spiritual beings experiencing mortality. We have forgotten our real self to play these games.
The immortal spiritual beings or ISBEs for short, were bored; because they knew everything. So, we ISBEs, created this multiverse and made ourselves forget about our reality to just play to avoid boredom.
(Dont ask silly questions)..
" Allah may be a real entity (very evil of course) and Mohammed was his medium."
Do you want proofs that the Christians God is evil ?
Dear Vijay, ur comments often confuse me – which side of the fence r u? Or is sum1 writing by ur name? R u a sufi? Come clear.
I 1ce by mistake asked a muslim – do you have any gud festivals where u do not have to kill an animal or beat urself? The guy went crimson & I realised my mistake & changed the topic.
Comment by Naturalist which got embedded deep so I paste it again –
Hinduism and Buddhism deal with spiritual aspects more than ethical aspects 'coz in ancient time in sub continent only a handful of people are unethical. For other religions when they are manifested large no. of people have become immoral so their scriptures are more like moral code of conduct i.e u can do this and u cant do that kind of things and deal lesser with spiritualism.
sprituality is illussion. its connect to entire world using your nerv senses. like now we talking on this debate, we connect to internet using keyboard and the monitor.
how do i know the green you had been saw is equal to the color that i saw? maybe it was or maybe not or maybe we were cooperate that it was the same color.
Buddha know this. to free from this material and spritual illussion, one must disconnect his nerve sense, disconnect all like a newborn babies. then connect to what you want to connect.
there is no islam, there is no ffi, it just an ancient arab text, it just a digital text.
I am not sure that I understand what you said. Humanity and bestiality? do you
mean beasts or animals in general? Humans and animals might not be the
same, but they are similar. Animals can feel, can be happy and sad, can feel
security and fear…….they have psychological and physical feelings exactly like
humans, some also have sharp intelligence.
By balancing ecological food chain…..do you mean that meat is an inevitable
nutritional ingredient of the human diet? wrong! meat is not a healthy food.
Cheap Julia tramp !!!
Your comments are very cheap.
" You can't compromise the truth just to suit everybody's taste"…………neat and terse.
"The absolute truth is that beyond the grave" …………..??!!??!!
Your comments are as cheap as you are.
Your comments, Julia, are cheap.
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You have a good point in the first paragraph, and the second half of the second paragraph.
When some one decides to become vegetarian, gradually he/she will get used to it, and
rejects eating meat again. I am a vegeterian since many years, it became a habit. I never
miss eating meat, even the cooked meat and its smell makes me sick. Refraining from
eating meat is also healthier, physically and mentally.
But, this cruelty of killing animals is not exclusively Islamic. Humans in general are savages
everywhere, regardless how civilized the country they live in. I think you don't know how
brutaly they kill whales and dolphines in Scandanavia, those beautiful, clever animals….
or may be you know ? This is just an example.
Great question but I need spectacles to answer this! Wait .
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, has it ever came across your mind to find out the truth about who killed the first animal or human being on this planet earth and why should this terrible deed happened here on earth and why is it happening all over the world now ? Could it be that something terrible has once happened from the beginning that demands blood to be shed? Can this cycle of killing be stopped or is it irreversible?
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, I wonder why you didn't provide an explanation for the last sentence of his comment: "Atheists don't believe in such a thing as spirit"?
There is only One Creator God and human beings are not gods.
Yes they are necessary. We are used to see meat packaged and we often forget they are a body part of an animal with feelings just like us. If I had it my way I would have made it mandatory that in the meat department of all supermarkets enlarged pictures of slaughter houses be hung right above the beautifully packaged meats, just as in Canada, it is mandatory for cigarette manufacturers to print a picture of various diseases, such as lung cancer, on the cigarette box.
When I get tempted to buy or to order meat. It is the haunting memory of slaughter houses that stops me. The more these pictures are shown the better. Most people don’t have not much of conscience, but if only a small percentage become vegetarian or vegan as the result of seeing these pictures, that is a victory. Newer generations are more responsive to such images. Younger people are turning to vegan life style in great numbers. It is very heart warming. This is another sign of spirituality.
"""(and not flat as is apparent from claims in Quran)"
Look at HOW MUCH YOU LIE! ""
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Did I lie? ok, read the following please-
There are some ayats in Sura 18 that are usually pointed to when showing scientific errors in the Quran since they claim that it is possible to reach the place where Sun sets (in a muddy spring lol) and that it is possible to reach the place where Sun rises. But let’s see what we can understand regarding the shape of Earth from those verses
Verse 18:85
Pickthal : And he followed a road
Yusuf Ali : One (such) way he followed,
Verse 18:86
Pickthal : Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Yusuf Ali : Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a People: We said: "O Dhu al Qarnayn! (thou hast authority) either to punish them, or to treat them with, kindness."
Verse 18:87 Threats of Punishment for wrongdoing
Verse 18:88 Good rewards for doing right things
Verse 18:89
Pickthal : Then he followed a road
Yusuf Ali : Then followed he (another) way
Verse 18:90
Pickthal : Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
Yusuf Ali : Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun
For now let’s forget about the absurdity of sun setting in muddy spring, or to be able to reach where the sun sets or rises. Instead, let’s try to figure out what these verses are alluding to regarding Earth. It is easy to infer from the verses that when Dhul Qarnayn reached the setting-place of the Sun, that was the farthest place reachable. And same with the rising-place of the Sun. In other words, he reached the edge of the Earth. But that is only possible on a FLAT Earth. This picture gives an idea of how the edge of the Earth looks like-
http://www.greenefficiencies.com/dev/wp-content/u…
Dhul Qarnayn is believed to be Alexander the Great. Up until Muhammad's time, Alexander is the only one who was believed to have conquered the whole world, and that he (and only he) had been to both corners of the world- both where the sun rises and where it sets. The way Quran explains the story seems to be in line with such understanding of the world.
""Science of Evolution, genetics and etc is ANYTHING but easy . . . .""
Do you think scientists are [mostly] correct about Evolution, aminriadh?
OH …er ..hahha…er…EVIL TAQIYYA MUSLIM AminRAT , DON'T FORGET TO READ THIS http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/pbu…
AND THIS: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/al…
AND THIS: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/pbu…
HAVE A NICE READING !!!!! BWAHAGHAAAAAAAAAHAGHAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA !!!!!
Spectacular victory: MY A$S !!! You are a muslim and therefore a loser !!
IT WAS ALL A SPECTACULAR LIE OF YOU !!!!
AND NOW YOU ARE REALLY HUMILIATED ! HAHAHAHA !
NOW THÁT IS SPECTACULAR !!!!
BUT WAS NOT OVER STUPID MUSLIM !! ON THE CONTRARY ! HAHAHAHA !!!
Again about AllahSALA= PRAYING !!
Because it is very important , for it destroys ISLAM. A REAL GOD DOES NOT PRAY ,OF COURSE !!
(To whom???). Here is a wonderful explanation of a SCHOLAR OF ISLAM, SAM SHAMOUN.
He is a Christian, but that does not matter to me as long as he speaks the truth about Islam. AND HE DOES HERE : http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/re…
AND SURPRISE : HE AGREES WITH ME ( Allah prays !!) JUST AS DO THESE ARABIC SPEAKERS (again) :
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xfuoulm-i8&no…
NB. Muslims are trying to block this !!! Which is very revealing !!! hahahaha
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb3O6ZmGNi0&f…
NB. Muslims (who else?) are trying to prevent you to see this video=clip ALSO.
MUSLIMS ARE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH !!!! ISLAM CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH , THAT IS CLEAR !!
ISLAM IS VERY EVIL AS YOU SEE, SO IT MUST BE AND IT WIIL BE DESTROYED !!!!!!!!
Are those heart-breaking, horrible pictures necessary? We know what they do in Eid, we know
that humans slaughter animals everywhere in this world. Have you seen pictures of
slaughtering the beautiful dolphines in Denmark?
Atheists don't believe in such a thing as spirit.
Killing of any living creature in the name of religion and spiritualism must be condemned, whatsoever.
Hinduism and Buddhism deal with spiritual aspects more than ethical aspects 'coz in ancient time in sub continent only a handful of people are unethical. For other religions when they are manifested large no. of people have become immoral so their scriptures are more like moral code of conduct i.e u can do this and u cant do that kind of things and deal lesser with spiritualism.
It TOO HAS DONE:
"death, blood, corpses, cut body parts, amputation, rape, sexual pleasure and sexual slavery, genocide of non-believers
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1) IT TOO…..A clear TU QUOQUE.
2) HAS DONE……Muslims still do (per Shariah).
OH MY….OH DEAR ….OH DEAR !!! HAHAHAHA !!!!
Look in the mirror, then you will see the dumbest ASS there is !!
SUMBOODY …BoolSheettt. Yep…an islamic scholar !!! Hahahahaha!!!
The TAQIYYA SPECIALIST AminRAT Says:
"Why it you have resort to lies, insults and swearing . . . if you are a normal thinking person? "
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THIS EVIL MOHAMMEDAN IS REALLY AMAZINGLY STUPID.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID TO YOU THAT I WANT YOU TO GIVE A BIG DOSE OF YOUR OWN EVIL "MEDICIN", which is HUMILIATION . What you should do to the SOCALLED DHIMMIES, I DO TO YOU MUSLIM-DUMMIES.
IT IS IN YOUR EVIL QURAN , EVIL SURAH 9:29. MAN…DO YOU EVER READ YOUR OWN EVIL SCRIPTURE !
THAT IS WHY I BELITTLE AND HUMILIATE YOU . Read the Tafsir (=interpretation) of the FAMOUS ISLAM-SCHOLAR IBN KATHIR:
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_conte…
Humiliation is . . . . when you lies are exposed . . . . like the ones over Sala!
He he . . . . you are "troll" – this kind of BS is all you are good at. And all you can come up with.
My dear . . . you make me look good! Offended? Oh . . . . far from it!
And thank you for the SPECTACULAR victory!
But it YOU master who has just made a fool of himself. Ha ha ha . . . . just like you.
Ah . . . . "Sala" and the pack of lies.
it all came crumbling down didn't it – troll?
Oh dear . . . someone has forgotten all her lies . . . dear me!
So what happened to you over Sala? Ah . . . . why did you get so exposed?
Why did you lie so much?
Exactly !!
As I said earlyer: "YOU KNOW WHO THE ENEMY IS !!! "
What the hell are you talking about . . . .
"I would say science is superior to belief in Islam. Scientific claims can be, and actually have been, presented in a easy to understand way whether one believes in them or not! "
Then why is it that . . . so little percentage of humanity understands science?
You need BRAINS to understand science . . .
For example – you do not UNDERSTAND much science. . . . inlc. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Maths and Logic etc.
There is NOTHING more clear than Logic (or Maths) – but all humans have DIFFERENT capacity to understand them.
Also . . .
Science DOES NOT answer question that religion, philosophy, morality and ethics do.
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"Scientific claims have been presented in manners SO EASY to understand that a person has no option but to agree with them no matter how much s/he hates science."
Science of Evolution, genetics and etc is ANYTHING but easy . . . .
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"For example, even [majority of ] Muslims had no option but to agree that the Earth is round "
That is an OBSERVATION!!!
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"(and not flat as is apparent from claims in Quran)"
Look at HOW MUCH YOU LIE!
If it was so apparent . . . why could you not understand it . . . . and explain it?
I went through this with you – on several occasions – and you had no answer.
I have CATEGORICALLY proven – Quran does NOT allude to a flat earth.
But you REPEAT this lie – every chance you get.
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Listen brainwashed and backward TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN Aminriadh.
ONLY SLAVES LIKE YOU MUSLIM CLOWN HAVE MASTERS.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO OBEY ALLAH AND MOHAMMED ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN EVIL QURAN:
Surah 33:36 says( AGAIN !):
"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error."
That's it…period !!! OH MY ….Hahahahhaaaaa!!
YOU DID NOT READ THIS ,HEY, MOHAMMEDAN AminRAT.?
Again about AllahSALA= PRAYING !!
Because it is very important , for it destroys ISLAM. A REAL GOD DOES NOT PRAY ,OF COURSE !!
(To whom???). Here is a wonderful explanation of a SCHOLAR OF ISLAM, SAM SHAMOUN.
He is a Christian, but that does not matter to me as long as he speaks the truth about Islam. AND HE DOES HERE : http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/re….
AND SURPRISE : HE AGREES WITH ME ( Allah prays !!) JUST AS DO THESE ARABIC SPEAKERS (again) :
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xfuoulm-i8&no….
NB. Muslims are trying to block this !!! Which is very revealing !!! hahahaha
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb3O6ZmGNi0&f….
NB. Muslims (who else?) are trying to prevent you to see this video=clip ALSO.
MUSLIMS ARE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH !!!! ISLAM CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH , THAT IS CLEAR !!
ISLAM IS VERY EVIL AS YOU SEE, SO IT MUST BE AND IT WIIL BE DESTROYED !!!!!!!!
The EVIL TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN SAYS:
""YOU DO EXACTLY AS I WANT YOU TO DO !
AND I SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING"
he he he . . . but I don't! "
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I KNOW IT IS HARD FOR YOU AmiRAT ,BUT YOU DO EXACTLY AS I WANTED YOU TO DO , from the beginning !
I told you many times that I were going to humiliate you (conform Q.9:29). You cannot deny this.
And you reacted like a real muslim . BECAUSE you are brainwashed (I said this many times too) you cannot react otherwise. YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE ONE OF "the best of creatures". And that makes YOU (and other muslims too) in a silly way arrogant and haughty. It is hilarious for the non-muslims to look at. Yep you really are a kind of clown !! Hahahahahahaaaaa!
Somethinh like "ACHMED THE DEAD TERRORIST ", you know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL357BrwK7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEI5js4RCpc
Rest of the Muslims think of Sufis more like addict as these Muslims try to use the God for materialistic gains, while first step of Sufis is to give up materialism, The way to say/remember and the meaning, which I have been tought, The Kalma I Taqqaba is different between the Sufis and the rest of the Muslims. I can say this without fear as I live in a democracy else I could be killed.
I'm sure that amongst these people there will be the islamic nobel-prize winners of the future !
Humans r descendents of monkeys incase u missed the link in school. All beings have the God particle in them & therefore all is God.
"Easy to understand for the people of belief "
In other words, a person has to believe in the goobledygood before s/he can understand what the book of God (no less) is saying. Now THAT makes perfect sense!
I would say science is superior to belief in Islam. Scientific claims can be, and actually have been, presented in a easy to understand way whether one believes in them or not! Scientific claims have been presented in manners SO EASY to understand that a person has no option but to agree with them no matter how much s/he hates science. For example, even [majority of ] Muslims had no option but to agree that the Earth is round (and not flat as is apparent from claims in Quran), that the Sun does not set in muddy spring etc etc.
Holy Kuran is clear and understandable to people at higher spirituality level.
Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah: for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction Sura 13 (Ar-Ra'd), ayah 28
Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire. Sura 3 (Al-i-Imran), ayah 191
[youtube 533Vq3g10hM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=533Vq3g10hM youtube] I again reiterate that I am against the political Islamism and could say that with Islamist political System, including the way it is in Iran, Sufis will be suppressed calling them innovators doing Bida.
There is S in Arabic with Se, Swad and Seen so 3 alpha bets in Arabic for S. In Farsi also , sorry Parsi(P is not in Arabic, Arab used F, so made it Farsi), Before the Arabic script, there we had letters of nail/Khit E Mekh, that to had S.
What you have proved ? Hindus are monkeys? or monkeys are god ?
Hindu religion (Sanatan Dharma) is purest of all. It has been deformed due to blind following of its teachings without actually understanding its real essence. That is why we see so much superstitions & other blunders. Maybe you have read/heard story of experiment with 5 monkeys.
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Sati system, child marriages, veils were all to protect the girls from horny rapists muslim invaders; before that and still respect to women in Hindu system is so high that swayamvara was organized for girls to choose her groom as she liked.
Caste system was designed differently but then people understood it all differently (refer to 5 monkey story).
I guess most of you have not experienced spirituality. I've experienced Out of Body Experiences and can say that what most of us see/know is not even sand granule compared to what is really out there.
I haven't SEEN such a DUMB ASS so far . What is keeping you HAPPY ? When you make Moozleems ANGRY ?. Aw…….. Aw………. Aw . SUMBODY dont CARE BoolSheetttt . Aw…….. Aw………. Aw.
NO, not a bit!!! You are amusing us with your silly attempts !
The days of your evil Muslims ARE OVER !! Hahahahahha!!!
Get over it ,silly kid ! 🙂
You are angry still, aren't you ? THAT IS VERY GOOD. AND IT WILL GO ON AND ON AND ON…THIS HUMILIATING OF YOU .
It is the same thing your evil fake god ALLAH (=MOHAMMED) ORDERED YOU TO WITH DHIMMIES (SURAH 9:29 , REMEMBER ?) .
And NOW WE DO THE SAME TO EVIL MUSLIM-DUMMIES LIKE YOU !!
HAHAHAHA . DO YOU LIKE IT ???? 🙂
SILLY MUSLIM CLOWN !!!! HAHAHAHA !
SILLY MUSLIM KID !! Hahahahha!
I CAN HELP THAT YOU ARE A CLOWN, AminRAT. It is your SILLY MUSLIM ATTITUDE ! DON'T BLAME US ,KID ! YOU ARE FUNNY Hahaha
THIS HADITH IS INDEED RIDICULOUS !!! VERY GOOD S AminRAT. You are starting to see it !!! But you still dont UNDERSTAND !!! 'Because of the brainwashing ,OF COURSE . Hahahahaha ! Ha ha ha hah…Hehe .Silly kid .
It IS MUSLIM SPIRITUALITY , what do you have more??? NOTHING !! THERE IS ONLY HATE AND SLAVERY IN YOUR EVIL CULT ISLAM.
What about the old ruin called kaaba in the middle of desert called saudi barbaria?
NO ANSWER OF THE MUSLIM LIAR AminRAT.
Yep, AminRat you are really a TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN !
You show that again and again !!
Thank you for that !!! Hahahahahaha !!
HEY, EVIL TAQIYYA MUSLIM AMINRAT !
REPLY ON SURAH 3:110. !!!!
"All hindus say thanks to Arabs please ."
Especially the 80 million HINDU victims !!! And the even more (sex) slaves and wounded !!
Thank you ARABS for all your HATE,KILLING AND GRIEF ! http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html
"you do not mean any one of the several gods, but god in general. You are like the man who sent his servant to market to buy fruit and when the latter returned with bananas, mangoes, grapes, and an assortment of other fruit, he upbraided him, saying: 'I do not want bananas, nor mangoes,
nor grapes, nor pears, nor prunes, nor apples, nor pomegranates, I want fruit! Fruit I want—fruit pure and undefiled, not a particular fruit, but fruit in general!'"
you hate the gods and you love God? Can you hate all the single men, monks and laymen, traders, warriors, kings, noblemen, hindu, muslim, and atheist, and love man in general? How is it that you can hate the gods and love God? Does not the general include the particular?"
The point is – it was an Intrinsic part of the Hindu religion. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_caste.asp
Again read,this article clearly said vedas not contain castism,its the creation of some law maker after vedic period.so silly man u reject muhammad word(hadith),but believe which not written in vedas,see ur hypocrisy.
Is it true that you have only one biological father and one biological mother in this world, who gave birth to you? Can you declare to the world that you have more than one biological fathers and one biological mothers in this world?
tHE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT CONSCIOUSNESS NOT PHYSICAL BODY.TILL U FIND SEROGATE MOM AND DONOR DAD.THIS TOPICS NOT ON BIOLOGY,BUT ABOUT SPIRITUALITY.
For me spirituality is nothing but deconditioning your mind and live without fear of anything with full of joy and happiness.
WOW…WHAT AN INTELLIGENT REPLY OF THE MEATHEAD AND BRAINWASHED TAQIYYA MOHAMEDDAN AminRAT.
WHY Don´t you really reply to the swearing and discrimination you evil Idol Allah does. REMEMBER `the worst of creatures´ Q 98/6 and ´the best of creatures´ Q.98/7._You started the diversion by talking about the caste system, remember dr.Alzheimer !! This in NO insult 🙂
Hindu is name given by Arabs . Earlier they were called Sindhu. Arabic don't have S so used to called hindu and Hindia for Sindhia. Later Hindia become India.
All hindus say thanks to Arabs please .
Hi HIndu, you said that, "It believes in variety. It believes that all 5 fingers cannot be identical. So it accepts everything from everyone…even today"
I beg to differ and disagree with your religion. Let me ask you a simple thought provoking question which will set your mind thinking. Is it true that you have only one biological father and one biological mother in this world, who gave birth to you? Can you declare to the world that you have more than one biological fathers and one biological mothers in this world?
To THE EVIL BACKWARD TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN AminRAT.
" We are amusing ourselves with you backward muslims ! "
ha ha ha
THIS IS THE TRUTH . AND YOU are a very good victim !!! HAHAHA
I said it many times , but you still don't get it. 🙂
So go on ….AND DON'T FEEL HUMILIATED !! Don't feel ASHAMED :-0 🙂
I HAVE NO MASTER , BACKWARD MUSLIM AminRAT !!
YOU ARE THE SLAVE HERE !! That is why you think this way.
I am free !! You should try to be TOO !! HAHAHAHAHAH
Listen ALI,LAM,MEEM -MORON :
The "SALA "question is NOT over !
Oh… I don't need supporters . You are the one who needs supporters !
YEP….YOU ARE VERY ANGRY !!! I like that very much. 🙂
HATE MONGERING IS YOUR EVIL QURAN !!! And THÁT'S why I am doing this!
How do you call threatening people to kill them if they leave your EVIL CULT !!??? IS THAT PERHAPS HATEMONGERING ,MUSLIM MORON !!!
Many people on this world cannot walk freely, because you crazy bastards want to KILL them. A "GOOD "example is this backward muslim MITU !!
Everybody can read it !!! BUT YOU, EVIL MUSLIM , don't see it !!
I am not debating with you…I AM HUMILIATING YOU (conform Q9:29).
How many times I said this , stupid silly muslim KID !!!
You are the only one who does NOT see my answers.
Because you are blinded by your BRAINWASHING and ANGER!!
I know you feel VERY HUMILIATED ! And I will go on and on…Giving you this kind of COMPLIMENTS.!!
Because it is good for you !!! HAHAHAHAHA !!!
Hello Evil TAQIYYA Mohammedan AminRAT!
Do you call this "reasoning"of you muslim brother LOGICAL?
He said: "The ruh definitely exists and is proven in the definite Qur'anic texts, and hence Muslims are obliged to believe in it".
The RUH definitely exists ? PROOF ??? NO !
It is PROVEN in the DEFINITE(?) Quránic text???? HOW ??? VERY,VERY ILLOGICAL AND STUPID !!!!! 🙂
HENCE Muslims are obliged to BELIEVE in it ??? BELIEVE? He said it was PROVED !!
Now THAT's why I call him( and ALL MSLIMS) COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED !!!
Let's humiliate (conform Q.9:29 the TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN AmiRAT the muslim-dummie) a little more . So he can taste his own evil medecin. This also shows the "spirituality" in Islam.
Shahih Hadith Bukhari (4.523):
"Allah's Apostle said, "When night falls (or it is evening), keep your children close to you for the devils spread out at that time. But when an hour of the night elapses, you can let them free. Close the doors and mention the Name of Allah, for Satan does not open a closed door."
THIS IS COMPLETELY CRAZY, BUT AminRAT ….please don't feel humiliated. BWAHAHAAAAA !
(ISN'T ISLAM RATIONAL ??? ….YEP 🙂 ).
Hindu caste system is not evil. Its primary principle is selfless action (duty without expecting selfish results) done to satisfy God. Vedas clearly say do not seek more than what God has given you through your righteous deeds.
No Hindu text talks about slavery or sexual slavery. In fact there is no mention of slavery in Vedas. Vedas do not ask Hindus to kill unbelievers. So yuor claims are falsehood. Neither in history nor in contemporary time, has there been Hindu holy wars or institution of slavery.
This is NOT the case with Islam, especially or Judaism or Christianity.
Of course I admit & all Hindus admit. A person has certain traits & Muslims in particular have all the traits that Hinduism describes as unhealthy & belonging to the lower-caste.
HINDU is a name given to a lifestyle by people who were staying in Indian subcontinent.
It comprises of two words…Himalayas and Sindhu Sagar i.e. Indian ocean so Hi + nDu makes it a belief that was followed by people staying between Himalayas till Indian ocean.
Whatever they used to follow was derived from various Spiritual books like Vedas, Upanishadas, Written by Highly spiritual Scientists called as Rishis.(it’s also said that Vedas were not written by human beings, meaning it were written by those who were uplifted from a mere sense of being a live human being and had attained a state where they used to feel the harmony of universe)
This Religion (religion is a wrong or insufficient word actually for Hinduism)was called Sanatan Dharma at that time. Sanatan means one that has no start and no end…and Dharma is a better word for the word religion.
Dharma is role you play. A man, a human, a father, a mother, a friend, a guide, a student….the role you play is your dharma at that point of time. It’s that simple.
That’s why Hinduism is the only religion in the world which doesn’t tell you to follow one book or one man/god…
It believes in variety. It believes that all 5 fingers cannot be identical. So it accepts everything from everyone…even today…India seems to have accepted terrorism from Pakistan…they don’t react much…
Hinduism covers all…Those who love rituals will find highest number of rituals here. Those who doesn’t think that God can be seen have got Adwaita philosophy that worships God in non-idolic form.
Ashtang Yoga (popularly called Yoga) is a combination of 8 steps that take you to Nirvana, like Ahimsa (non-violence), Limited intake of food and external thoughts, controlled speech and diet (control on tongue), control on mind, Asanas (physical Yoga to keep body healthy for meditation), meditation, Samadhi (ultimate state attained)…Hindus welcomed Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Jews, and even Muslims to their own land and live with everyone with peace and harmony, the reason is the flexibility and freedom given to every individual.
So being Hindu is like Being a pure human being as it was created on this earth. It doesn’t enforce you to do something which you don’t believe.
It allows you to live and let live and just provide you proven guidelines for self realization i.e. salvation
Om shanti: shanti: shanti: (be in peace peace peace)
This will clear all your doubts about spirituality – http://www.hinduismworldwide.in/2012/04/spiritual…
"DON'T YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS YOU ARE.? YOU DO EXACTLY AS I WANT YOU TO DO !
AND I SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING!!! "
Well . . let us see what you said . . . at the "beginning" . . . and let us measure now . . .
Oh don;t run away . . . by NOT ANSWERING THIS!
By filling the space with swears . . .
Let's have the evidence . . .
Let's compare what you said at the beginning . . . and let use see If I am doing as you predicted.
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I mean did you predict that I will reduce you to rambling swearing hate monger?
That is what you have been doing of late . . . leaving swears. Or diverting by bringing more fallacious material – so to engage in a new debate . . . and forget that you lost the old one!
"YOU DO EXACTLY AS I WANT YOU TO DO !
AND I SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING"
he he he . . . but I don't!
Did you say from the BEGINNING – that I will expose your lies . . . ?
Did you?
Where?
Expose your bogus logic . . . .
I mean look at the above . . . you have ABSOLUTELY no answer for anything . . . . hence you are time wasting on swears!
You never said ANYTHING in the beginning . . . . . which beginning – where?
What did you say?
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"BUT BECAUSE YOUR AN EVIL BRAINWASHED MUSLIM, YOU CAN'T LET GO !!!! HAHAHA
IM HAVING A BIG TIME RIGHT NOW !! BYE Little mousyRAT !
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What by . . . coming up with no answer – just swear. . . but they are COMPLIMENTS
As the SHOW – you cannot answer . . .
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I mean – it is quite simple . . . if you WERE intelligent . . . and educated . . . you would answer . . . actual answer . . .
and not when the ARGUMENT runs out . . . just leave swearing. . . .
And such sentences as this . . .
" We are amusing ourselves with you backward muslims ! "
ha ha ha
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"I have you almost completely where I want you to be !!! "
Ha ha ha ha ha
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"You can not humiliate us CRETIN"
But my dear . . . you do it to you OWN SELF!
As he has been punked . . . it is his own sword he fell upon. You master is like you!
But it isn't my wish to "humiliate" you. . . . but I cannot help it – if you lie so much and get repeatedly exposed.
For example over this Sala business. And many other times . . . when you CLEARLY had no response . . . . then all you left as response is just swearing.
And that is HUMILIATING for you . . . that you clearly lost to a Muslims!
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"I have you almost completely where I want you to be !!! "
he he . . . it ALWAYS going to be Almost . . . ha ha ha ha – – –
Is that by lying about Sala. . . or by all the swearing!
They are a compliment . . .
Especially when you one lone supporter . . . . left you too!
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" We are amusing ourselves with you backward muslims ! "
Sure by repeatedly getting exposed. . . .look at what happened to your master . . . Sina!
You just claim it . . . we PROVE it against you!
ha ah ha ha – EVEN YOUR LONE SUPPORTER ADMITS THAT!
hence why he dropped . . . calling you knowledge and intelligent . . . he finally came around . . . to admitting you are all swears!
HEY AMinRAT ,YOU ARE NOW A TROLL TOO !!! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!
If I was losing to a muslim ,yep, THAT WOULD BE VERY HUMILIATING ! 🙂
DON'T YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS YOU ARE.? YOU DO EXACTLY AS I WANT YOU TO DO !
AND I SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING!!! BUT BECAUSE YOUR AN EVIL BRAINWASHED MUSLIM, YOU CAN'T LET GO !!!! HAHAHA
IM HAVING A BIG TIME RIGHT NOW !! BYE Little mousyRAT !
NOTE: Again this person Julia has response. Hence reverts to being a troll. Either Insults, Lies or Attempts at being funny.
But answers – – – nope!
You can not humiliate us CRETIN !!! WE ARE NO DHIMMIES AND WE WILL NEVER BE. BUT YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A MUSLIM-DUMMIE ! WHAT A CLOWN ! HAHAHAHA !!
I have you almost completely where I want you to be !!! 🙂
We are amusing ourselves with you backward muslims !
Again – this person Julia had no response! Once again . . .how humiliating losing to a Muslim!
He he he!
""You will eliminate all contradictory material – by ignoring it. "
Are you serious or are you making a joke? You must be serious, you are a Muslim after all and your comprehension is limited as such. Ignoring is not the same as eliminating. If I ignore someone, it is because I don't consider his or her writing worthy of an answer. But others can still read and decide.
Eliminating happens in Islamic countries where not only the opposing opinions are eliminated, the person expressing those opinions will also be eliminated.
Please don't say things that people may think you lack commonsense. Actually if you talk like that, I would ignore you. I like to talk with people who use their intelligence. What you said really shows otherwise. "
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This is the brain of Sina . . .
Yet he has not answered this:
"The Sufis were opposed and rejected by the majority of Muslims as heretics. They were accused of twisting the meaning of the Quran. "
This is PURE and UTTER nonsense – he come out with it – as he knows that he doesn't have to defend this garbage.
There has never been a separate sect of Sufism in specific times. Sufism is still alive and well today . . . so what the hell is Sina talking about?
He repeatedly comes out with such open lies. And contradictions . . . . http://alisina.org/blog/2012/08/03/the-place-of-w….
See this post – Here he holds Jalal Uddin Rumi and al-Ghazali to be Islam's greatest scholars.
Both known Sufis.
Furthermore:
"For the Sufis, this represented a problem. Instead of accepting the fact that Islam is completely bereft of spirituality, they claimed that the Quran has two contradictory meanings. "
This too wrong. Which Sufi claimed Quran has two "contradictory meanings" – references? Evidence has never been Sina's strong point. Why let such trifles get in the way of extreme hatred of Muslims
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I was right . . . . he eliminates opposing evidence and ignores it. In the above instance he tripped up.
Yet look at what he claimed.
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Furthermore . . . .I highlighted his fallacious methodology . . . . from his book. hence why he doesn't himself use the "Dr." and only claims – other use it for him. Phd – he hasn't got. Dr. he is not. he doesn't even how police and law works.
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And is little fond of "insulting" Muslims . . . especially in his attempt to "humiliate" them.
What of his errors . . . does he feel humiliated?
HE HE HE !!
Now that is a MUSLIM INTELLECTUAL !!!! Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
TAQIYYA MUSLIM YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR EVIL QURAN AND MOHAMMED !!
THNK YOU !!! 🙂
"Hence why I term him a hate-monger. he isn't interested in the "truth" – just spouting hate.
You should see his book! "
Do you feel humiliated now?
"In Hinduism. . . "
So you allege Muslims to be satanic – but then what is Hinduism's excuse?
The caste system?
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It too has done:
"death, blood, corpses, cut body parts, amputation, rape, sexual pleasure and sexual slavery, genocide of non-believers"
Hasn't it? So which demons are possessing/ed Hindus?
See "thinkingIndian"
At least he admits the caste system.
NOTE: No argument – no answer! As emphasised by the troll. Just swearing!
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Hate spout!
"rovide us with evidence of THIS HADITH, TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN AminRAT "
Ha ha ha ha ha ha hah a ha ha ha hah ha . . . . why? What has THAT got to do with anything?
Wow – look at the intelligent reply . . . . obvious – Julia cannot deal with the actual argument – so invents its own.
Hence the diversion.
Wow – look at the intelligent reply . . . . obvious – Julia cannot deal with such a long strand. . . .
Hence the lone supporter – withdrew his compliments of "intelligent" and "knowledgeable"
from you.
And started to admit – you were "insulting".
Ha ha ha . . .
Oh dear . . . have you not seen your Master getting punked? he is as good as you!
"But like a good Muslim that you are, you called me a liar"
Oh . . .but you do the same. Didn't you do that . . . when I exposed your little rehash of "Musayoon" as bogus. . . straight from the bat – you called me a liar!
Pot calling the kettle black! So what is your excuse?
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"ignorant of the Quran, which all Muslims are"
yet as repeatedly shown . . . it is YOU who cannot read the book. So what were you doing at these alleged Madrassahs?
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Lastly . . . you seem not know the difference between "understand" – and "remember".
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Oh dear . . . . you're not doing so well are you?
First it was seeing "spiritual" in the Old T and the confusions . . . and now this! You don't think do you . . . what is wrong with you people?
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He doesn't know the difference.
Also he doesn't seem to know the difference between the original and a translation.
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Hence why I term him a hate-monger. he isn't interested in the "truth" – just spouting hate.
You should see his book!
Oh dear . . . more swearing – and a testament to lie & hypocrisy of Sina! Keep at it dearie.
Sina – doesn't seem to know the difference between Old & New Testament.
He also doesn't know the difference between English and the original.
For example . . . " the spiritual forces" Book of Isaiah – the word spiritual doesn't seem to be in the original text – hence why many translators haven't added it.
This is the only old testament reference in his list.
Oh wow – the great refutation . . . the intelligence.
Ah . . . poor dear. you ain't got anything beside swearing?
"AND THAT IS WHAT NORMAL THINKING PEOPLE CALL…..BRAINWASHING !!!"
Who are these normal thinking people . . . and what are they saying? Why it you have resort to lies, insults and swearing . . . if you are a normal thinking person?
Where was your thinking . . . . when you started to lie about Sala?
And when fully exposed . . . even then – you refuse to believe you are wrong.
THAT is brainwashing. Reading one sided material is Brainwashing … .
read and weep:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing
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You don't even know what the term means . . . . so you are OBVIOUSLY not a "thinking person"
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If you were:
You would not have said . . . . Go check in dictionaries . . . . for Sala.
I did . . . . then you simply start saying . . . "oh, you have lied"
I ask for evidence . . . you ain't got any.
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This is all you have – swearing.
You think – you will swear at Muslim – and you will get lauded?
But look around you . . . you have no SUPPORT.
Here are 2 videos about Jesus having lived in India – both before and after the crucifiction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiy5uY3Iw2s&fe… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9w-xJfSOyc
"Proof of that we have 8 yrs old kids who memmorize the whole Koran and remember every damn word in the book and yet they do not understand not even one single word in it let alone one verse and thats what the verses meant by easy to remember meaning we made it easy to memorise if you want to ."
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!)YEP….AND THAT IS WHAT NORMAL THINKING PEOPLE CALL…..BRAINWASHING !!! 🙂
2) I LIKE THAT : ….EVERY DAMN WORD . !!! HAHAHA. Stupid muslim.
3) It is very easy to remember , but i'm sure you still not do remember ALL THE DAMN WORDS OF THE WHOLE DAMNED BOOK. !! No SIR… TOOO DAMN STUPID ! 🙂 :-).
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BTW.
WHAT ARE YOU WAILING AND WHINING ABOUT READING THE QURAN IN ARABIC ??
Translate the EVIL BOOK YOURSELF if you don't agree with the existing ones.
BUT I'M SURE YOU DON'T DARE !!!!
IS THERE NOT A SINGLE SO CALLED MUSLIM "SCHOLAR" IN THE WHOLE WORLD WHO KNOWS WHAT THIS "MUBEEN" , EVIL book exactly says?
DO IT CRETIN MUSLIMS….TRANSLATE THE THING.
BTW. DR .PUIN, a FAMOUS German scholar says that ever fifth sentence or so is NOT understandable at all ! Well there you go !!! Hhahahahaha!
HEY ARE YOU SH!TTY SHABBY SHABEER THE COPY/PASTE MANIAC ??
It sure looks like it ! Just as crazy !!
YEP….Completely BRAINWASHED !!!
This is NOT how stuff works !!
HEAR WHO IS TALKING !!!
If you understand it , WHY don't you explain it to us , CRETIN ??
OH…I know…you , being a muslim are MUCH smarter then us disbelievers.
That is why ALL muslim countries lag behind ALL over the world. YEP !!
But these moron MUSLIMS still think they are "THE BEST OF CREATURES " . HOW RIDICULOUS !!
RIGHT!!! ZITOUNI , you will be caught again and again AND BE HUMILIATED , Muslim-Dummie'.
Dhimmie (Q. 9:29) is a disbeliever and A DUMMIE is a MUSLIM. …Little JOKE….to humiliate you !! 🙂
WHERE IS YOUR superiority , being the "BEST OF CREATION". I don't see it ?
You are a backward clown with a 7th century mindset , that's ALL ! 🙂
It happens every day : Muslims DO blow themselves up ! And they are called MARTYRS BY YOU AND YOUR EVIL MUSLIM BROTHERS !!!
We read see it everyday in the media. SEE http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I am NOT A LIAR LIKE YOU ! YOU EVEN LOOK AWAY OF THE EVILNESS OF YOUR MUSLIM BROTHER …MITU . Thát is the "superior"
morality of yours ! Killing apostates like Ali Sina is the HIGHEST MORAL FOR YOU , stupid man !
YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOU TEETH , AS THEY SAY, AminRAT !!
HELLO TAQIYYA CLOWN .
THE LIAR HERE IS YOU (and all your muslim "friends"). WE ALL KNOW.
That's why your name is TAQIYYA MUSLIM ( CLOWN..etc.). Taqiyya is lying, you know that and we TOO !!! " Alif,Lam ,Meem" means …..whatever you want !! Hahahaha.
AND THE EVIL is in your Quran and in the whole of Islam. I'm sure you want to kill me only because I say that your evil crazy fake prophet Mohammed was an imposter, murderer, robber, rapest, terrorist…in short very ,very EVIL. YEP..And you are his follower ….HIS SLAVE !! BYE !! :-0
Provide us with evidence of THIS HADITH, TAQIYYA MOHAMMEDAN AminRAT :
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, 4.506: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."
Come MUSLIM-DUMMIE with your lies and excuses….out of shame.
BullSh!t is : believing that the DEVIL sleeps in your nose AminRAT !! AND YOU KNOW IT 🙂
But you will certainly have an "explanation" for this MIRACLE of Allah, being THE EINSTEIN of "the best of creatures" (Q. 98:7). http://quran.com/98
And we ,KAFIRS are the "worst of creatures" (Q.98:6). . So it is your evil CULT that STILL makes (not made) some people( muslims) better than others (disbelievers).
Now let us hear your silly excuses.
You don't know arabic…It says something else….It was only for "Then"….It is allegorical…etc.etc. etc…
This verse is repeated three times in the same sura. But you still missed it. I gave you the verse number. You could check it. But like a good Muslim that you are, you called me a liar, without realizing you'll be exposed as being not only ignorant of the Quran, which all Muslims are, but also a lazy Muslim. What the hell is wrong with you people?
This is when Arabic ignorant people like you interpret koran from English version . I have told you countless time you have to read Koran in Arabic and not in English if you want at least not to make stupid errors , but still English version concerning those verses is not that bad . Do you know English or not ???
Qur'an easy to remember; is not as easy to understand dummy . verb to temember is not synonym of the verb to undestand I hope you know that in English . Proof of that we have 8 yrs old kids who memmorize the whole Koran and remember every damn word in the book and yet they do not understand not even one single word in it let alone one verse and thats what the verses meant by easy to remember meaning we made it easy to memorise if you want to . If Koran was easy as you claim then why the hell we have scholarship and people are spending 30 , 40 yrs to earn their degrees in Tafsirs , did you ask yourself that question dummy ?
That is NOT MY CLAIM , EVIL TAQIYYA MUSLIM ! SEE- How this MUSLIM LIES !
That is YOUR CLAIM !! Remember : you are THE BEST OF CREATION per Quran !
Surah Al Imran 3:110 ( http://quran.com/3/110 ) says:
" You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah ."
Khayra Ummatin – the best of nations. Allah swt granted this honor to Muslims – the honor of being the best of nations, the best of the community, and the best group of people. Allah (swt) in this Ayah of Quran has outlined the position of the Ummah that the Muslims are the best nation brought forward from mankind.
About the pdf book (101 pages) http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/Expel…
I have to add : The little book "EXPELLING JINN FROM YOUR HOME" is written by the muslim (of course ! 🙂 ) Majdi Muhammad Ash-Shahawi
Here is a quote to give you a taste of it: "Sheikh al-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah said: "The jinn are found mostly in deserts, old ruins, and places of impurity like bathrooms, toilets, graveyards, and places where wicked sheikhs associate with Shayateen and then gather to practise their satanic ritual."
There is an HILARIOUS chapter about:
BLACK MAGIC AND SATANIC POSSESSION .
POOR BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS…I REALLY PITY THEM !! WHAY A JOKE ISLAM IS !!!!!
Ali Sian said : Why do you lie when you know you'll be caught and humiliated?
Stupid and lousy liar is you and not me . You always says that you read koran in Arabic when you know somebody who speaks Arabic can catch you and humiliate you and thats exactly what I did , you remeber LOL ?? . When I looked under sprituality as well as spiritual , I got this
http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=spiritua…
If your bible says it does mine says it does not so blame them and not me . This is why we Muslims say that Koran is better than bible you would not have this kind of problem with koran . Plus the word appears only ONE TIME in whole OT and it does not talk about spirituality , explain it or anything like that
the LORD will punish the spiritual forces of evil
What the hell are you going to learn about spiruality guidance from this verse ??? nothing at all .
One may ask how Jews sought spritualty guidance before the writing of the book of Isiah ??? did you ask yourself that question . I looked deeper into this and what I found will shut your liar mouth once for all . This chapter 24 in Isiah talks about the end of the world and has nothing to do with prituality gudance at all dumy liar LOL . Why would God wait until the dooms day and talk about sprituality in OT LOL LOL LOL
http://www.moellerhaus.com/isa24-26.htm
This is how the verse 21 had it in that website
21 And it shall happen in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the highest of those on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
I wonder why I could not find sprituality in my site LOL .
the host of the highest which was in your bible as the spiritual forces of evil
This is the commentary :
Verse 21 The Highest of those on high: A reference to a spiritual battle in heavenly spheres that is hinted at in the scriptures but which we have little information about. A distinction is clearly made between those above the earth and those "high ones" on the earth. Thus the reference is to not only the great powers of this world but to angelic and other powers in spiritual places.
we can conclude here that this does not talk about sprituality guidance , but rather some evil people or persons nothing about guidance dummy LOL
and why are you sending me NT ??? did I say in the whole bible ?? no I said just OT .
If believe in Jinns belongs to spirituality then there is certainly spiritualty in Islam.
Or should we say that it is backward 7th century superstition ? Mohammed believed in jinns…He even talked with them . There is a whole Surah 72 (Surat Al Jinn) in the Quran.
So the real muslims believe in their existance.
For readers who want toknow more about Jinns and how Muslims shouls "treat" them I refer to : http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/Expel…
IT IS VERY FUNNY TOO !! 🙂
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@FreeThinker,
totally agree about the casual nature of the world we live in and i too love the different perspective when we look at ourselves as a Spiriutal being having a material experience.
I believe that there are certain fundementals that greats of the past like Jesus, Buddha and others that offer us guidence which brings us closer to a spiritual experience. So concepts of Love and buddhist mantras and pray that take us to higher levels which is probably the base of our western soceity and probably why a country like China that has a strong buddhist background has turned arround so quickly, becoming a world leader.
here is some food for thought for the new age of world thinking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_26dxyGJKY&p…
Who said muslims or islam have no spirituality? The pictures Ali Sina has posted beautifully describe the spirituality of islam…..death, blood, corpses, cut body parts, amputation, rape, sexual pleasure and sexual slavery, genocide of non-believers, slavery to muhammad, allah and shariah, ugliness, really ugly faces of muslims, non-peacefulness, extreme anger and hatred, torture of animals and human beings, suicide bombing, pedophilia, kidnapping/raping of girls (married or unmarried), ugly beards, killing/extreme intolerance of anything that is beautiful (why do you think they cover women from head to toe), anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-diversity, desertification of lands, anti-women, slavery of women, and the list is endless…
If there are demons in reality, they would follow what muslims follow, their spirituality will be that of muslims…but then I do think now that demons have a reality, they manifest through muslims…. In Hinduism, daityas or demons are called as Tamsic (darkness), implying they always look at things in completely opposite ways (viparita jnana), they see good as evil and and evil as good…they see sorrow as happiness and happiness as sorrow…In Hinduism demons or daityas spread sorrow all over the society through spreading Viparita Jnana (upside down or twisted understanding/knowledge like Islam) since sorrowfulness is their essential nature…Muslims do not realize they are possessed by daityas or demons..
Yes, one of the most famous researchers in reincarnation and children remembering past lives is Dr. Ian Stevenson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWMEWubrk0
There are many psychiatrists performing past-live regression therapy on their patients.
New ideas always face resistance, like Darwin's Evolution Theory. He was ridiculed by the religious bigots, who believed the creation stories in the Bible should be taken literally. Nowadays researchers have to deal with both religious fundamentalists and atheist and materialistic bigots!
Easy to understand for the people of belief . Not for dirty dirty dirty people involved in equivocal debates !
What the hell is wrong with you people?
There are two extremes of practising spirituality. Firstly, there are those who are highly influenced by and inclined to emotional spirituality and to ignoring the aspects of life perceived to be ‘materialistic', preferring the spiritual value over the materialistic one. So they accordingly turn to prayer (individual ibaadah) and renounce the material world and its aspects; they neglect life because it is material and under such a common definition and understanding, it becomes obvious that religion is bound to be a personal matter in every sense of the word. When this becomes common in people's thoughts, the standard of living in the society they live in declines as they seek only to perfect their character and morals. On the other extreme are those who are highly influenced by the material world and are taken over by their whims and neglect the spiritual value, preferring the materialistic value and making their purpose in life to achieve it.
When Islam speaks of zuhd (living an austere life) in this world, this means that one should not take the world as one's goal in life, for example setting the procurement of wealth as the highest goal. It does not mean that Muslims should not enjoy the good and halaal aspects of life. This is contrary to ascetism and renunciation of the world, both of which require the abandoning of pleasures and delights in life despite having the ability to attain them. This contradicts Islam.
It is also wrong for Muslims to evaluate actions from a deen-and-dunya perspective (matter and spirit). Instead they must be evaluated by their Creator who is Allah سبحانه وتعالى. The Shari'ah or laws of Allah has demonstrated the solutions to life's problems through obedience to Allah's commands and prohibitions. Allah has also shown Muslims the action that achieves the spiritual value which is the Fard (obligatory) and Mandub (recommended) worships.
The best example we have of this is that of the Sahabahs or Companions of the Prophet. They took part in wars, governed the lands of the Muslims, engaged in business and trade and all these actions came under the banner of spirituality. If we begin to separate matters into 'deeni' and 'dunya' matters, we run the risk of compartmentalising Islam and at the very least losing out on the reward of everyday actions. At its worst, this mentality will lead to secularism where we completely separate our actions from our purpose of life, leading to a compromise of our religion.
Inevitably we must realise our relationship with Allah سبحانه وتعالى when undertaking any action, whether it is spiritual or material, thus making sure that our actions are in accordance to the commands and prohibitions of Allah سبحانه وتعالى and ultimately attaining his pleasure.
The ruh definitely exists and is proven in the definite Qur'anic texts, and hence Muslims are obliged to believe in it. The word spirit or ‘ruh' is a common term like the word ‘ein' in Arabic, a word that has multiples meaning; such as ‘water source', ‘eye', ‘spy', ‘gold', ‘silver' amongst others. The word ruh appeared in the Qur'an with numerous meanings, such as the secret of life;
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً
"And they ask you about the ruh. Say: The ruh is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little." [Al-Israa, 17:85]
In Islam, spirituality is defined as the linking of actions to the purpose of life. So for instance, a Muslim's purpose of life is to worship Allah, hence spirituality in this sense is linking the actions of an individual to the purpose of their life. Actions on their own, without using this framework, are just that – actions. They are material constructs of time, space and objects.
So somebody could pray their salah without ever thinking about the words they are reciting and with these words having no impact upon them. This prayer cannot then be described as spiritual because it has become robot-like. It is just the same as eating a certain meal, or going on a train, as there is no link to the purpose of life. A Muslim is he who does actions to seek the pleasure of Allah and to draw nearer to Him. By this definition, all actions undertaken for the pleasure of Allah are spiritual because they link the material action with the purpose of life.
This why sexual relations within marriage, the most material of actions, becomes a spiritual action when linked to Allah سبحانه وتعالى commands. Spirituality has often been seen as an intangible sensation, based on the Christian precept of the Holy Spirit inspiring morality and hence, actions. This understanding is wholly inconsistent and at complete contrast with the way Islam views spirituality because this view is subjective, whereas the Islamic view is objective because it is from Allah.
Just to clarify further what I meant by intellectual cowards.Many materialist atheists are only skeptical of anything that challenge or threatens their materialist paradigm but they are never skeptical of their own worldview,they never doubt their own position.Thus they rightly deserve their term pseudo-skeptics.
Yet another psycho muslim…I bet Muhammad is smiling from below
Psychic powers and paranormality have to do with mediumship, communication with spiritual entities."
True,many brilliant scientists who have investigated using scientific method have found evidence that psychic powers,reincarnation,the paranormal and mediumship exist.Only intellectual cowards (aka materialist atheists) are too terrified to look into the evidence.
Muslims are always concerned with the body. How to wash, when to wash, how to hide, what to do so that body dus not decay after death. What to do so body gets pleasures in heaven after death. Their prayer is external. Pray in a mosque with 1000 ppl. Pray on roads, streets. Show might. Their goal is physical.Capture the world &make a slave of humanity. Kill ne1 hu disagrees with their idea of God or prophet. Ban education for women so they remain illiterate & cannot raise a thinking child. Ban music, ban arts, ban this ban that. Humiliate the kafirs. They really do not understand spirituality. For e.g. No muslim wud dare dream of feeling how Muhammad felt when he saw Gabriel. Assuming that Muhammad did hav a spiritual experience. In all Indic relligions, ne1 can hav a spiritual experience & is not restricted to only 1 Muhamad. God dus not discriminate between prophet or other.
Check this http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=spiri…
Why do you lie when you know you’ll be caught and humiliated?
Q. 44:58: And We have made (this Scripture) easy in thy language only that they may heed.
Q. 54:22: And in truth We have made the Qur’an easy to remember; but is there any that remembereth ?
Q. 54:32: And in truth We have made the Qur’an easy to remember; but is there any that remembereth ?
Q. 45:40: And in truth We have made the Qur’an easy to remember; but is there any that remembereth ?
This verse is repeated three times in the same sura. But you still missed it. I gave you the verse number. You could check it. But like a good Muslim that you are, you called me a liar, without realizing you’ll be exposed as being not only ignorant of the Quran, which all Muslims are, but also a lazy Muslim. What the hell is wrong with you people?
Dear lonelyloner, the answer is found in Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
So, please be patient and wait for this great event to take place soon, in the very near future.
Ali Sina said : easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) “
Listen liar you have never read koran in your life so stop quoting verses which you cannot understand . Those verses none of them say Koran is easy to understand .
The words spiritual and spirituality do not appear in the Quran, not once. Isn’t that incredible? Muslims seek spiritual guidance from a book that does not mention that word at all. Imagine you want to learn golf, and buy a book that does not mention golf anywhere.
I looked for spirituality on old testament , but I counl not find it either . Ali Sina Jews slave cannot mention that because he is afraid of his masters LOL
Is it scientifically proven that Agracean's God is the one responsible for making the rules and laws of the universe? How about proving it beyond all doubts, by asking Agracean's God to actually do that again, under observation by scientists?
For example, creating the world? Please ask your god to do that again, just to show he really can do it, and thus he's perhaps the one who did it.
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, you said that "There are many paths to spirituality". What's the difference between the absolute truth and lies floating in the air then? The truth is a narrow path. It's a one way road but broad is the way to all kinds of destructive lies. You can't compromise the truth just to suit everybody's taste. The absolute truth is that beyond the grave, there is the choice of spiritual life or spiritual death. Choose life!
Dear denialisnoproof, go ahead and explain then. I'm all ears waiting. 😉
Dear denialisnoproof, go ahead and explain then. I'm all eyes waiting. 😉
This is the "superior" morality. Read and weep. I truly pity you.
I don't pity you EVIL TAQIYYA MUSLIM !!!
I ONLY HUMILIATE YOU !!!
"He is the laughing stock of this site ! "
I truly pity you Julia – I mean . . . you lied over many many things . . . when exposed – you go around pasting these things up.
Which highlight – anything of merit has long ran out . . .
. . . and then evil of you heart come pouring out.
See – this is a person who claims to have higher morality.
And this is it:
"GO, and blow yourself up , moron!!! Hahahahaha !"
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This person is to be pitied.
Hi, stupid,backward muslim MITU.
YOU CAN DO SOMETHING FOR ALLAH RIGHT NOW.
BLOW YOURSELF UP AMONG SOME INNOCENT PEOPLE. Make as many victims as you can.
YOUR FAKE GOD ALLAH AND YOUR CRAZY FAKE PROPHET MOHAMMED LIKE THAT VERY MUCH.!!!!!
GOOO…..MITU…..GO !!!!!
YEP…YHIS WAS THE EINSTEIN OF THE MUSLIMS HIMSELF….AminRAT !!!
GO, and blow yourself up , moron!!! Hahahahaha !
HEY, tyey EVIL TAQIYYA muslim AminRAT turns up here too !
He is the laughing stock of this site ! The CLOWN. Our own ZAKIR NAIK !!!! Hahaha !
Our "Achmed the dead terrorist ". !!!! 🙂
"you mitu member of 'religion of peace(TM)'. come to this site more often and sense will permeate your head"
Like KnowTheEnemy.
For example it is abundantly clear – he has nothing more than a few lies up his sleeve – when it comes to Islam.
Whenever tested, like his Master Sina, they tend to fall apart.
"It was a way to classify people based on their temperaments"
No it wasn't – else the untouchables wouldn't exist. Society was divided into 4 clear groups. Brahmins, Kashtariyah and the other two.
The point is – it was an Intrinsic part of the Hindu religion.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_caste.asp
Even Hindus admit it.
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"So what was once a spherical plan, where different points on the circumference were at the same distance from the centre, became a vertical one like a ladder one has to climb all the way to reach the godhead or whatever "
BS and you know it. Caste system clearly made some people better than others.
"Ali Sina's claims regarding Muslims' treatment of Sufis is correct."
Is it? And where is your evidence? And why did he shoot himself in the foot? First he claimed – according to Muslims – Rumi and Ghazali are 2 of THE greatest Islamic scholars. Both Well-known Sufi. And then he is doing a complete U turn. Why the contradiction? Is it bare faced lie?
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"There are some places where Sufis are castigated more than other places, but there is no place where they are completely safe from sunnah-following true Muslims."
Such as? islam has over 1400 years of history and not in one place either. From East to West as they . . .
So what are you talking about?
Do provide us with evidence?
you mitu member of 'religion of peace(TM)'. come to this site more often and sense will permeate your head
Ali Sina's claims regarding Muslims' treatment of Sufis is correct. There are some places where Sufis are castigated more than other places, but there is no place where they are completely safe from sunnah-following true Muslims. Lately the true Muslims have been destroying shrines in Mali. The latest attack against shrines happened just a couple of hours ago in Pakistan (news link below). According to AP the suspected attackers "follow a strict version of Islam and they claim visiting shrines is not allowed."-
Bomb explodes outside shrine in Pakistan, killing 4
What a peaceful state of mind from brother/sister Mitu ?
you ali sina son of bitch. come bangladeshe i will kill you.
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience."
Loved that sentence! Indeed, it is also my belief that we are immortal spirits that are put in this world in order to evolve both morally and intelectually.
A person who believes in spirituality shouldn't be called an atheist but rather an agnostic – someone who doesn't follow any particular church or cult.
Raised as a Catholic, from an early age I tried to find anwers for questions such as:
-why does God (the loving God of Christianity, not the "merciful" Allah of Islam) allow so much suffering, misery and injustice in the world?
-why do some people have more tendency to practice evil than others?
-why don't we all have the same intellectual skills?
-why are some people born with serious physical disabilities?
Many religions don't provide us a satisfactory answer to these questions. And I think that our personality traits can't be explained by our upbringing alone.
We aren't all at the same level of evolution, and we have difference lessons to learn.
I believe the Universe is ruled by laws, including the law of Cause and Effect, or Action and Reaction, stated by Newton. What goes around turns around, we will be accountable for all our actions, good and evil. Therefore, I have a strong belief in karma and reincarnation, even though this concept is considered heresy by many Christians. Early Christians believed in it, until it was banned as a heresy by the church. It is mentioned in the gospels, but the churches prefer to ignore it:
"The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:10-13, NIV!"
Many studies point out the similarities between Jesus and Buddha and even raise the possibility of Jesus having lived in India in his youth.
Spirits out of the flesh (the souls of the departed) greatly influence us and we tune up with those we are alike. Like humans, they can be good or evil. Psychic powers and paranormality have to do with mediumship, communication with spiritual entities. Allah may be a real entity (very evil of course) and Mohammed was his medium.
The existence of evil ideologies such as Islam only proves how low is the evolution level of mankind in general That doesn't mean, of course, that all Muslims are evil. There are good and bad people of all faiths.
Ppl always accuse Hindus of being confused & believing ineverything. Well, the definition of the 'I' differs from person 2 person & v have freedom in redefining the 'I' according to our time,age & understanding.That gives Hinduism freedom. Islam on the otherhand is least concerned with this 'I' factor. Who am I? Slave 2 Allah. Period, probe no further else u are eligible for kuffar. V r accused of casteism.
Valmiki wrote Ramayan
Vyasa wrote Mahabharat.
Sita was supported by a low-caste woman when she was captured by upper-caste Ravana.
Bhagawad Gita was 1st heard by Sanjay who was a low-caste man.
Krishna was raised in a lower-caste family, Rama ate fruits from a low-caste woman & took a boat ride with a low-caste man.
Islam belongs to the lower-caste and must be shunned, all muslims are essentially untouchables.
Hindu Caste system was today's version of MBTI.
It was a way to classify people based on their temperaments so that the society had a harmonius functioning.
But now itt has come to be connected job, status, wealth, physical features and most popular of all, one's birth.
So what was once a spherical plan, where different points on the circumference were at the same distance from the centre, became a vertical one like a ladder one has to climb all the way to reach the godhead or whatever
Arghhhhhhhh……. There is a subject named "Spirituality" which has no co-relation with other subjects at uni ! lol
Looking at pics I hope almost all except Muslims should turn vegan immediately.
Well written and beautiful article and I agree with most of the things mentioned in it.
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Einstein, did not believe in supernatural."
Perhaps Einstein did not believe in the existence of the soul and afterlife but that does not make it less true.Einstein was human too and therefore fallible.
caste system was part of hindu society not hindu religion .
for example the person who wrote the ramayana was valmiki who is a scheduled tribe according to today's india. ravana was a brahmin who is a villian. there are many examples like this.
and yes casteism is a bad social system which became rigid along time.
you should differentiate what people do from their religion.
if religion is source of discrimination then you should blame religion.
there are n dimensions . not just 4th dimension.
i can explain it to you.
Panentheism Ephesians 4:6 ("[God] is over all and through all and in all")
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, Dr Albert Einstein said, "The fact that the world was comprehensible, that it followed laws, was worthy of awe".
If this great scientist believe and understood that the world followed laws, then, he should find out Who is the One Who set the laws and will there be any grave consequences for breaking one such perfect laws!
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, Albert Einstein said that : “I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.”
I think that Albert Einstein is too smart and too intelligent and then, suddenly, he became so stupid that there is no explanation for it because afterall, he is just another imperfect human being who once lived on earth. It's no wonder that he could believe in Spinoza's god so easily.
John 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:10-11 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
" He prefers Obama, despite him claiming to be a Christian and believing in God, because he knows that Obama’s faith is a fake like his birth certificate. "
You have posted this nonsense before . . . . Where is this er . . . 'evidence' that supposedly best of American brains have missed out?
This is old nonsense that mostly extreme right wing Americans spurt out , whom Sina is desperate to please. Hence – he sells his supposed "Atheism" for lavish praises on Christianity. Akin to Hirsi-Ali.
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"The Sufis were opposed and rejected by the majority of Muslims as heretics. They were accused of twisting the meaning of the Quran. "
This is PURE and UTTER nonsense – he come out with it – as he knows that he doesn't have to defend this garbage.
There has never been a separate sect of Sufism in specific times. Sufism is still alive and well today . . . so what the hell is Sina talking about?
He repeatedly comes out with such open lies. And contradictions . . . .
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/08/03/the-place-of-w…
See this post – Here he holds Jalal Uddin Rumi and al-Ghazali to be Islam's greatest scholars.
Both known Sufis.
Furthermore:
"For the Sufis, this represented a problem. Instead of accepting the fact that Islam is completely bereft of spirituality, they claimed that the Quran has two contradictory meanings. "
This too wrong. Which Sufi claimed Quran has two "contradictory meanings" – references? Evidence has never been Sina's strong point. Why let such trifles get in the way of extreme hatred of Muslims
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"His celebrations of festivities require spilling the blood of animals. What kind of god is this that demands blood to be pleased?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice
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" I respect Hinduism because it respects life."
Yet 'caste system' is/was integral part of Hinduism.
What good is deifying a cow over fellow Hindus. In his hate to suck up – Sina often overlooks such small things.
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He has somewhat following from Hindu's who come here to demonize Islam – hence he sucks up to them.
His sucking up to Right Wing Extreme Christianity – Well – that is for money, money money.
A synonymous and analogous case is of Hirsi-Ali.
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Sina's alleged Pantheism – seems to be newly found. First was his bogus attempt at portraying to be "rationality" – that went when I pointed out – he will have trouble declaring like of newton as irrational. At that point he instantly changed his position.
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"The hatred of your fellow being fills your heart, leaving no room for love."
As repeatedly pointed out – and he has no answer so far . . . . is regarding his hatred of Muslims.
This alleged love of humanity is BS. It doesn't mean anything.
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"If you can see goodness in others and appreciate their value irrespective of who they are, their belief, heir color, their gender or race, then you can call yourself spiritual."
So – just because I challenged your views – you instantly labelled be a "liar" and "evil". I take it then spirituality is far far far beyond you.
Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, how about the spiritual realm? How is it related to the physical realm? Do you know anything about the fourth dimension? Do you know the reality that you are a spirit and you have a soul and you are just living in a physical body? Can you deny the fact that you have a Spirit? Does an Atheist like you believe that you do have a spirit?
How quaint. I didn't know the 'intelligent' have started to wear a sign. In the bad old days . . . intelligence used to shine through upon its own merit.
Islam is supernatural materialism. There is not an iota of spirituality in it.
The kitten is cute.I like cats.
Great Article… Thanks Ali Sina
पिण्ड और ऊर्जा के सनातन सम्बन्धों को प्रकट करने वाला सूक्ष्म ज्ञान आध्यात्म है। इस ज्ञान की प्राप्ति के पश्चात् भेद्पूर्ण दृष्टि का अंत हो जाता है और "पुरुषोsयं लोकसंमितः" की अभेद दृष्टि उत्पन्न हो जाती है।
I don't know if the video was embedded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpC6R77YpdY&fe…
The closest we have come to any true understanding of spirituality is found in the ancient Vedic literature. Carl Sagan the famous cosmologist has endorsed these ancient scriptures as being closest to modern science's understanding of the creation of the cosmos. I found the video that I have embedded as a practical way for each of us to discover our own spirituality. Hope you find it useful
For the people believing in pantheism, spirituality is faith in that spirit, which stays in all matter, all time and all space. Energy can not be created or destroyed. It changes from one form to another. Energy only takes the form of matter, may be with sound or vibration of quarks. With matter coming in the existence, the space and the time could be perceived.
Thinking that energy in all and in self, so having sense of belonging to all of the universe as own is a step in spirituality.