Samaritans and Moses or Muhammad’s Blunder?
The Quran contains many errors. The following reveals one of them.
In the Bible (Exodus 32) there is a story about Israelites worshiping a calf when Moses went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments from God. On his return Moses was angered and ordered “everyone to put on his sword and kill his brothers, his friends, and his neighbors” (Ex.32:27). In this story the culprits are the Israelites and Aaron the brother of Moses who let himself to be influenced by them. This incident is reported in the Quran.
He [Allah] said, “We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan (in Arabic Samiri) has led them into error.” Then Moses returned … … and we cast them [(gold) ornaments], as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire.” (Then he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, “This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has forgotten.”) … Moses said, “And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?” …– Quran 20:85-88, 95
In the Quranic version the culprits are the Samaritans who mislead the Jews into worshiping the bull. But in the original story of the Bible there is no mention of any Samaritan. When questioned, Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted. However, at the time of Moses, Samaria did not exist and there was no one known as Samaritan.
According to 1 King 16:24 Samaria was a hill belonging to Shemer that was purchased by King Omri where he founded the city of Samaria about 870 B.C. The Samaritans as a distinct people only emerged after the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under king Sargon II after 722 B.C.
Moses lived 1400 years B.C. That is five to seven centuries before anyone could be called Samaritan (Sameri). Therefore, the explanation of the Quran that Samaritans led the Jews to worship a calf cannot be correct. At the time of Moses Samaria did not exist and no one could be the citizen of an inexistent city.
We know that Muhammad was not a learned man. He had heard the stories of the Bible as narrated by the storytellers but from his mistakes it is fair to say that he had not read the book himself. So where did he get the idea of Samaritans leading Israelites to idolatry?
The answer to this confusion can be found in another similar story of calf-worshiping narrated in the (1 King 12:26-33). This episode happened during the time of Jeroboam. This was a time when the Jews were split into two kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Southern kingdom of the Judah; Jerusalem being the major center of the worship for all the Jews was in Judah. Holy towns attract pilgrims, promote commerce and generate income. Jeroboam, who was the king of Israel, thought that not having a holy place of worship in his kingdom is weakening his position. He decided to build a temple in Samaria, the seat of the Northern Kingdom, and adorn it with the statutes of two golden calves to rival Jerusalem as the center of worship.
Biblical Scholars, like Richard Elliot Friedman, believe that the first story of the Jews worshiping the golden calf during the time of Moses, to which the Quran is alluding, actually never happened. Friedman believes that this story was fabricated by the actual writers of the Bible, the high priests and the custodians of the temple of God in Jerusalem, around 700 BC to discredit Jerobeam and his temple in the Northern Kingdom. They invented the story of Moses and the golden calf, claiming that it provoked the wrath and punishment of God during the time of Moses. This did certainly send a strong message to the Jews that the temple erected by Jerobeam is unacceptable by God. Most probably, the calves adorning the temple of Israel were symbolic and were not intended to be worshiped. Yet the fabricated story of the calf-worshiping-Jews at the time of Moses, provoking the wrath of God had its intended effect. Emergence of a new temple in the North would not have only undermined the importance of Jerusalem as the sole religious center for all the Jews, but it would have also separated them religiously, a nation already split politically.
Hosea echoed his disapproval of the northern temple in the following terms.
Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? They are from Israel! This calf – a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. — Hosea 8:5-6
This is a warning to the Jews of 700 B.C. living in Samaria. It has nothing to do with the story of Moses and the Golden calf. Muhammad must have heard these two stories. But he confused the two and placed the Samaritans in a wrong context. The Quran continues:
“Moses said: “Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast” (Qur’an 20:97)
It is interesting to note that in this verse the Quran alludes to the fact that the Samaritans were regarded as untouchables (thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’). In fact the Israelites looked down at Samarians and considered them “untouchable” (Najis) because of their idolatry. However, this stigma was not placed on them by Moses. There were no Samaritans in the time of Moses. They earned this designation by the Jews centuries later.
This is another proof that Muhammad’s knowledge of the Bible was second hand and based on hearsay. Had he read the Bible once, he would not have made such a gross mistakes.
The Samaritans occupied the country formerly belonging to the tribe of Ephraim and the half-tribe of Manasseh. The capital of the country was Samaria, formerly a large and splendid city. When the ten tribes were carried away into captivity to Assyria, the king of Assyria sent people from Cutha, Ava, Hamath, and Sepharvaim to inhabit Samaria (2 Kings 17:24; Ezra 4:2-11). These foreigners intermarried with the Israelite population that was still in and around Samaria. These “Samaritans” at first worshipped the idols of their own nations, but being troubled with lions, they supposed it was because they had not honored the God of that territory. A Jewish priest was therefore sent to them from Assyria to instruct them in the Jewish religion. They were instructed from the books of Moses, but still retained many of their idolatrous customs. The Samaritans embraced a religion that was a mixture of Judaism and idolatry (2 Kings 17:26-28). Because the Israelite inhabitants of Samaria had intermarried with the foreigners and adopted their idolatrous religion, Samaritans were generally considered “half-breeds” and were universally despised by the Jews.
Additional grounds for animosity between the Israelites and Samaritans were the following:
1. The Jews, after their return from Babylon, began rebuilding their temple. While Nehemiah was engaged in building the walls of Jerusalem, the Samaritans vigorously attempted to halt the undertaking (Nehemiah 6:1-14).
2. The Samaritans built a temple for themselves on “Mount Gerizim,” which the Samaritans insisted was designated by Moses as the place where the nation should worship. Sanballat, the leader of the Samaritans, established his son-in-law, Manasses, as high priest. The idolatrous religion of the Samaritans thus became perpetuated.
3. Samaria became a place of refuge for all the outlaws of Judea (Joshua 20:7; 21:21). The Samaritans willingly received Jewish criminals and refugees from justice. The violators of the Jewish laws, and those who had been excommunicated, found safety for themselves in Samaria, greatly increasing the hatred which existed between the two nations.
4. The Samaritans received only the five books of Moses and rejected the writings of the prophets and all the Jewish traditions.
From these causes arose an irreconcilable difference between them, so that the Jews regarded the Samaritans as the worst of the human race (John 8:48) and had no dealings with them (John 4:9). In spite of the hatred between the Jews and the Samaritans, Jesus broke down the barriers between them, preaching the gospel of peace to the Samaritans (John 4:6-26), and the apostles later followed His example (Acts 8:25).
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yours is not authentic either. To say Samiri a Quaranic figure to be Zimri (Son of Salu) is just an assumption…not a proven fact. No where it is written in Bible.
If Zimri was the perpetrator at Mt Saini he would have definitely been killed there….and he would not be whoring with the Maobatish woman at Shittim (Num 25) when they are about to enter the land of Cannon almost at the end of their 40 years wilderness journey.
The argument you presented was that the Samarian belong to an era didn't exist yet, I do disagree with that
argument because the date of the exodus was 1446 BC while Samaria existed since 1700 BC for referencing
the above date you can visit the Samaritans museum website on http://samaritans-
mu.com/oldfolders/page1.html , You might confused yourself because you assumed that it existed when it
became a capital and you forgot a place can not be a capital if it didn't have foundations to be a city and city
does not appear over night, Muhammed (PBUH) was right
The argument you presented was that the Samarian belong to an era didn't exist yet, I do disagree with that argument because the date of the exodus was 1446 BC while Samaria existed since 1700 BC for referencing the above date you can visit the Samaritans museum website on http://samaritans-mu.com/oldfolders/page1.html , You might confused yourself because you assumed that it existed when it became a capital and you forgot a place can not be a capital if it didn't have foundations to be a city and city does not appear over night, Muhammed (PBUH) was right
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I am puzzled by this, because at 722 BC it was Sargon, king of Assyria, who decisively defeated the kingdom of Israel, then deported a part of the Israelites, then settled "foreign people" in this kingdom. Part of whom came from "Hamath", present-day Hama in Syria.
But at 700 BC, presumably in Judea, could the high priests already have witnessed the existence of the "amalgamated" Samaritans? Isn't it more plausible to suggest that only after Cyrus and other Persian kings permitted the "Judean" jews to return to the land of Israel that the "jews" encountered the "mixed breed" of the Samaritans. And therefore only then wrote about them?
By the way, wasn;t their leader called Sanballat in the time of Ezra and Nehemia?
Friedman believes that this story was fabricated by the actual writers of the Bible, the high priests and the custodians of the temple of God in Jerusalem, around 700 BC
The Samaritans in Jesus' time began as a rally of persons in the Former Evidence, formed subsequent the Assyrian Sovereign took most of the republic of Israel against fugitive. He repopulated what was accordingly Israel's resources metropolitan, Samaria, among outsiders who yet intermarried beside the Jews who remained in the earth. As a follow, their child was entirely moiety Jewish. These part-Jews became renowned as Samaritans.
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Hi ali, i've read that samaritans aka samiri (in Quran) is difference with samaritans in Bible, samaritans aka samiri (in Quran) explainded for "shamerin "of "al-samiri" who that is real at moses era who act as the descent of one of the clan of israel. what do you think about that ?.
It is a global conspiracy against Islam. The Internet is new Quran. Google play store you mentioned is new messenger and preacher. Let me tell you that your faith is strong. You believe as much in conspiracy theories as you believe in Quran. I give you credit to have faith in conspiracy theories, in Islam and Quran alike, and also to relate them all so beautifully in the name of Allah. Allah o Akbar…the Omnipresent Internet. Oh God have mercy on the Muslims of the world in this age of technological advancement.
Another mistake of Sina's. More copying of someone's work without checking?
Samiri is a Quranic figure . . . and has nothing to do with the Samaritans سامريون . . . the Biblical equivalent is thought to be Zimri [Son of Salu] . . .
Old Testament does mention him as a person of ill repute but without any mentions to the Golden calf.
Wondrous how Sina's supporters have the habit of overlooking dear Sina's little difficulties. . . .
I believe that all the revelations made by Muhammad were never wrong and were directly from Allah. All his followers should not oppose such kinds of revelations as it’s the most important factor to continue the existence of human beings in the universe.
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Before moses went to mount sinai for 10 commandments, dajjal came and disguised as another man named moses too and asked moses to accept him as his apprentice. to differ him from real prophet people at that time called him musa samira. when prophet went to mount sinai, dajjal created that cow and asked people to worship it by telling moses told them too. dajjal always came to all prophets to mess with by disguising as apprentice. only when prophet Muhammad shollallau 3alaihi wa sallam he got chained for 63 years. now hes the leader of illuminati or freemasonry whose members world leaders and big companies around the world. singers, actors, holywood, dollar also his products. one of his signs is one eyed symbol. now see google play store, how many one eyed apps, see logos around you, how many. also see intensedebate automattic symbol. to all muslims and mukmins. you cant resist dajjals fitnah. prophet said, god never put test/temptation since adam until the last prophet, as great as fitnah dajjal test. none could resist, even strong mukmin. so recognize the signs, avoid, and memorize 10 last ayat from al kahfi. solomons temple under masjid al aqsa almost ready. israel invades palestine for this national treasure. solomon killed witches/black magicians and collected all their magic spell books and burried them there. once dajjal reaches them, he will rule the world and show his miracles to convert all people around the world to worship him. he could make sun rise from west, and set one day to a year, a month and a week. his miracles show for 40 days. and no one could kill him but jesus. thats why jesus is still alive in heaven. hes waiting for dajjal. after dajjal dies, jesus will unite all human into one religion, and we all live in peace. he will marry and then die as human. after that, world in chaos again, until a man could do zina with a woman easily in public just by raising her skirt. and then qiyamat. recognize the signs, my brothers. for ignorants, please iqra2 bismi rabbikal lazii khalaq.
Test. Your comment must be appoved by admin before it will appear publicly? again? and whats with the hack trick u thought i didnt know? :)Before moses went to mount sinai for 10 commandments, dajjal came and disguised as another man named moses too and asked moses to accept him as his apprentice. to differ him from real prophet people at that time called him musa samira. when prophet went to mount sinai, dajjal created that cow and asked people to worship it by telling moses told them too. dajjal always came to all prophets to mess with by disguising as apprentice. only when prophet Muhammad shollallau 3alaihi wa sallam he got chained for 63 years. now hes the leader of illuminati or freemasonry whose members world leaders and big companies around the world. singers, actors, holywood, dollar also his products. one of his signs is one eyed symbol. now see google play store, how many one eyed apps, see logos around you, how many. also see intensedebate automattic symbol. to all muslims and mukmins. you cant resist dajjals fitnah. prophet said, god never put test/temptation since adam until the last prophet, as great as fitnah dajjal test. none could resist, even strong mukmin. so recognize the signs, avoid, and memorize 10 last ayat from al kahfi. solomons temple under masjid al aqsa almost ready. israel invades palestine for this national treasure. solomon killed witches/black magicians and collected all their magic spell books and burried them there. once dajjal reaches them, he will rule the world and show his miracles to convert all people around the world to worship him. he could make sun rise from west, and set one day to a year, a month and a week. his miracles show for 40 days. and no one could kill him but jesus. thats why jesus is still alive in heaven. hes waiting for dajjal. after dajjal dies, jesus will unite all human into one religion, and we all live in peace. he will marry and then die as human. after that, world in chaos again, until a man could fuck a woman easily in public just by raising her skirt. and then qiyamat. recognize the signs, my brothers. for ignorants, please iqra2 bismi rabbikal lazii khalaq.
Says you. People like you are good at such comment. And that is it.
Take a hike lad. . . . sex, drink, drugs, rock and roll.
Wouldn't you be classed as one miserable S.O.B by your peers? In, trolling.
Is that what you call having a life?
aminriadh ::: Quurran is a manual for hatred, violence, hell fire, jealousy and racism, sex maniac, slavery and intolerance , all in one !!!
muhamad equal to jengish khan. proove it. debate Ali Sina , proove if u right, proove if quran the words from Allah.
"Dear Ali Sinner (very appropriate name!) I have led thousands of Muslims leave Islam. They never felt I hate them. On the contrary, they realized I am helping them."
Simply your ego… if this was even remotely true… it would have been a very difficult truth to hide. But you simply do not have this position… yep – not even among your fellows such as Spencer or Geller.
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" I have led thousands of Muslims leave Islam. They never felt I hate them."
Riiiight… hence not Muslim – and you hate is for Muslims only – those that resolutely follow the faith. .. . no matter what you say. Jeez! Spot the obvious contradiction!
lol you have led and you are not leader? confused crap !
Dear Ali Sinner (very appropriate name!) I have led thousands of Muslims leave Islam. They never felt I hate them. On the contrary, they realized I am helping them.
But Ali Sina does hate Muslims and Islam. He has said it time and time again. Or do you also believe his lies?
John, If you are "man enough" Why don't you go and read the Quran to us? Hmm? Read it and accept your mistakes. Also try to keep sarcasm out of your mind when you read it, it'll help clear that congested mind of yours.
Exactly what i thought muslims might say.
“The Bible had been corrupted”
But this isn’t about the Bible.
This is about the Quran.
I have given you 3 tafseers and 4 different Quranic transliterations to show you the Quran’s mistakes.
And what is your point on above comment? And what proof about this “new evidence” you are talking about?
And please do not try to make ends meet, when they are absolutely unconnectable. It’s gonna make you sound like a liar.
first of all the write must not blare personnel statements abt the prophet muhammad (saw). the bible itself has been corrupted many times. wen explaining wen mosses existes the biblical accounts say abt 2640 bc, a new research showed abt 2200 bce, then archeologists popularly saya difference of 2 to 3 centuries is normal in explaining history and thus they drag the figure to 2640 bce. the same formulae applies here too. and as far as qurans authenticity is concerened many times bible was charged by university of chicago for giving wronge info abt king sargon bt finaly failed wen a new proof arose tat sargon did exist, now the sames the case here, samarians 5 centuries after mosses well time shall prove qurans authenticity itself. and the writer shall also know how to control his mistaking tongue!
Additional info on Q 20:85:
Arberry: Said He, 'We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan has misled them into error.'
Hilali and Khan: (God) said: "Verily! We have tried your people in your absence, and As-Samiri has led them astray."
Muhammad Asad: Said He: "Then [know that], verily, in thy absence We have put thy people to a test, and the Samaritan has led them astray."
Qaribullah: He (Allah) said: 'We tempted your nation in your absence, and the Samaritan has misled them into error.'
Mr. John Intense Debate K. As a retired evil US army person you spent life thinking how to massacre innocent opponent and destroyed civilisation to mark them as history. You don't even understand plain oil, gas- mineral politics in Afganistan, Iraq, Libiya, and rest of middle east.
Tet me in what miraclous sense a dead man can raise three days after the crisification while the body perished by that time.
You are a full nude man love talking about half naked people. But if those stories described above are true, the chances of truth about christianity and Judasim is 100% folklore religion. Your retired autistic brain cannot think about it. But I am still waiting to debate you. Hope you have improved your debating skills in last several months. How come your realisation is too late that Islam is not just only going to mosque five times a day, rather Islam is an idoilogy, politics, economy,and everything.
All english transliterations of QS 20:85
YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray.”
PICKTHAL: He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them.
SHAKIR: He said: So surely We have tried
your people after you, and the Samiri has led them astray.
***KORANIC TRIVIAL TRAP***
There are 3 common Tafseer acceptance in muslim society:
1. Commonly accepted is that Samiri was an Israelites from Assamirah tribe (source unknown). In the bible Assamirah tribe is unknown. Muslims might say that the Jews fabricated the Christians’ bibles.
2. According to Ibn Abbas in a tafseer by Ibn Kathir. Samiri was a person from Bajarma tribe whose real name was Musa bin Zafar. Again, no real explanations about Bajarma tribe.
Muhammad bin Ishaq reported from Ibn` Abbas that he said, “As-Samiri was a man
from the people of Bajarma, a people who worshipped cows. He still had the love of cow worshipping in his soul. However, he acted as though he had accepted Islam with the Children of Israel. His name was Musa bin Zafar.”
This is insanity; Islam is yet to exist. This is Moses’ time. He was a Jew.
3. According to Qatadah which is also a tafseer by Ibn Kathir (weird huh?).
Qatadah said, “He was from the village of Samarra.”
Samara is not mentioned in the Christians’ bibles. Some say Samarra is the biblical Samaria. Which is still impossible because Moses lived hundreds of years from biblical Samaritan tribe.
Muhammad “compiled” Quran. He took it from Jews and Christians’ bibles also Arab Paganism beliefs. Added with his own insanity. That’s what i think.
Still want to Believe that Quran came from God Himself?
What do you think?
Note: english translation of QS. 20:82 is referring as “The Samiri” (Int’l Sahih version).
If there are so many MAYBEs, then MAYBE you can rewrite the Quran.
If his revelations were directly from Allah, then Allah must have known that today you will post such response saying that MAYBE the guy was from the region of Samaria .. bla bla. The 'Allah' must have known I would reply you this way today. So, why would Allah, almighty, create such confusion to you and me. By the way, you yourself said Allah is never wrong.
So, to conclude, Muhammed was obviously not receiving the revelations from Allah. MAYBE a different 'allah'.
"Friedman believes that this story was fabricated by the actual writers of the Bible, the high priests and the custodians of the temple of God in Jerusalem, around 700 BC to discredit Jerobeam and his temple in the Northern Kingdom. They invented the story of Moses and the golden calf, claiming that it provoked the wrath and punishment of God during the time of Moses."
–> Yes, you're totally right, many scholars think that 🙂
The OT (Olt Testament) was written from a southern perspective, that's to say by writers from Judah, often bashing the North (Israel) for their alleged idolatry.
Besides, many scholars think that the God of the OT was originally worshipped as a bull-god, hence the golden calves of Jeroboam, which actually were perfectly normal in regards to the cult of the Hebrews' God 🙂
Right. Just more good logic proving that Allah is not a real God who should know everything.
Mark, a real God would never be wrong, but since Allah is not a real God, the Quran is full of Muhammad's ignorant foolishness. You will not understand Islam until you understand Muhammad.
You cannot read Dr. Sina's book, Understanding Muhammad, and still be a Muslim by the time you finish reading it. Are you man enough to read it, or are you afraid?
Israelites considered Samaritans as aliens brought from Syria and settled in the territory known at that time as Samaria in the land of Israel when Asyria conquered the kingdom of Israel. Hence Samaritans were not accepted as children of Abrahamic origin and treated as foreigners who accepted Judaism and practiced a different version of the Pentateuch(Torah).
Moreover, the reported incident of calf worship took place when the ancient Israelites were on their journey to Israel from Egypt and it happened in a territory far away from the land of Israel.
The person who reportedly made other Israelites worship a golden statue of a calf was one from among the Israelites not from those brought from Syria and also the incident did not take place in Israel while the territory known in a later period as Samaria was in the land of Israel.
Then could how your Allah say such person was a Samaritan? Did Allah know not all these facts while revealing this verse to Muhammad?
Mark, your comment is bizarre, but typical of Muslim blindness.
The Quran has been thoroughly proved to be wrong. On what basis can you possibly think that efforts to disprove it have failed? On what basis can anyone be considered to have proved the Quran to be true? It is absolutely impossible because Muhammad only invented the Quran so that he could pretend a god approved of his criminal life. Muhammad was not very smart, so that's why there is plenty of material on this site and others like it that expose the foolishness of the Quran.
Show yourself an intelligent human being by not letting yourself be deceived by Muhammad's fraud anymore.
You also make a fool of yourself by calling Dr. Sina racist. Islam is obviously an ideology, not a race. Muslims include members of all races, so you only make yourself look stupid by saying anything about racism.
You think Dr. Sina hates Muslims, but he was a Muslim. His family, community, and country were Muslim. He does not hate his own blood. This site is his labor of love to save them and ignorant people like you from the tyranny of Islam.
The Quran is God's word and it is protected by God. Many have tried to prove the Quran wrong, but have failed. Many have tried to prove the Quran to be true and have succeeded. Think for yourself…stop saying things just cause you hate the Muslims or are racist towards the Muslim people. Allah (SWT) is not racist and you should not be either. Fear Allah (SWT) and become Muslim unless you want Allah (SWT) to be racist towards you on the Day of Judgement.
Muhammad's (SAW) revelations were not based on the bible. His revelations were directly from Allah (SWT) and Allah (SWT) is never wrong. Maybe the guy who made them worship the golden calf was from the region of Samaria. This region had no name/or another name at the time when the incident occurred, but Allah (SWT) speaks of him as being from Samaria so that Muhammad (SAW) and his followers will know where this person came from.