The Crimes of Muhammad Are Irrefutable
I have written extensively about Islam being a false religion and Muhammad a mentally sick man who deceived the gullible folk for his personal gain. I have made a series of charges against him being a rapist, a mass murderer, an assassin, a pedophile, etc. All these charges are backed by evidence found in the Quran and hadith. A comprehensive expose of all Muhammad’s crimes is presented in my book. And I have invited Muslims to read it and disprove them. Lest anyone accuse me of using this to sell my book I am offering the older edition of my book for free in PDF format. The latest edition is a lot more comprehensive, but I know Muslims will rather eat dirt than buy anything written against Islam, so the older edition is free for them.
The charges are irrefutable because the evidence given is taken from the Quran, hadith and sira, the three original sources of the Quran. I made these charges over a decade ago, and kept collecting more evidence that are now presented in my book Understanding Muhammad and Muslims, 6th edition.
To encourage Muslims to take my challenge seriously I offered $50,000 reward to anyone who can prove me wrong. I got many responses from anonymous Muslims who know nothing of Islam. The problem is that they all rehash the same thing and the debates became boring and unproductive. So I made it a rule that if my contender is not a known scholar of Islam, they should first read my book if they want to debate me. Regular Muslims can still win the prize, if they can convince a scholar to disprove my charges. In that case each will win $50 k.
This was not a bad decision, since I get occasional requests from Muslims who ask me to send them the free version of the book and promise that they will write back to show my errors and prove me wrong. Generally I never hear from them again. A small percentage write back to say how the book shook their faith and present me with a list of questions. They generally leave Islam. I never hear back from the majority.
Recently a Muslim on Twitter calling himself Chameleon_X, said my charges cannot be disproven because it is impossible to prove a negative. I told him I have provided enough evidence to prove my case. My charges against Muhammad are not baseless slanders. They are backed by authentic texts from Islamic sources.
He promised he would read and prove me wrong. I was not holding my breath. Truth can’t be refuted. I was surprised when he wrote to say he has read the book and is writing his rebuttal as a prelude to debating me. This would have made him the first person to want to refute my charges after reading my book. I was curious to hear what he had to say.
But when he was done, he named it “review,” and disclaimed that what he has written is NOT a rebuttal. “I have already stated that my review is not intended to be any refutation of the author’s clown show.” So what this Muslim has filled 131 pages of? “This is a lampooning exercise,” he confessed. In the absence of logic, appeal to ridicule is what most losers do. My challenge is: refute the charges I made against Muhammad. I know Muslims can be good clowns. Not only this Muslim did not refute my claims his 131 page write up is not even a review of my book. His reasoning consists in (I paraphrase)) “I am going to slander you of narcissism, pedophilia, etc. Since you can’t disprove something I haven’t proven, you lose and I win.” This is how a slave of Allah reasons.
The strategy of this slave of Allah is to discredit my challenge by charging me, and my colleagues, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller of the same charges I brought against Muhammad. He then offers $3,300,000 to anyone who can disprove him. Now it is not that he actually accuses us of such things. He wants to make a point that a negative cannot be refuted.
The fallacy of the argument of this educated slave is evident to a five year old child. For me to disprove his accusations against me he has to prove them first. Are there any confessions by Robert, Pamela or me that we killed someone, had pedophilic relations with a minor, or raped anyone? Is there a reliable report on such things against us? Are there any pictures? Where is the evidence? Since he has not provided any evidence then his charges don’t have to be refuted. They are mere slanders. On the other hand I have provided ample evidence from the Quran, the haith and the Sira proving each and every claim I made against Muhammad. For example, there are over a dozen of hadiths that say Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old and had intercourse with her when she was nine. These hadiths, narrated by Aisha herself, with the strongest chain of narrations and reported by the Sahih hadith show that Aisha was playing on a swing when her mother took her hand, washed her face and brought her to Muhammad to be wed to him; that she did not know what is going on when Muhammad took off his pants and her clothes off from her; that her friends used to come and play dolls with her and they hid behind the curtains when Muhammad came to the room, etc. Likewise, there is a lot of evidence in the Quran and hadith that Muhammad raided people, massacred unarmed men and raped their women. The charges I am making against Muhammad are not baseless slanders. For example I can’t say Muhammad was homosexual, because there is nothing in the Quran or hadith to back such a claim. But the fact that he was a rapist, a misogynist, a pedophile, an assassin and a mass murderer are evidenced from the Islamic sources.
If we follow the logic of this slave, no charge against anyone can be proven ever. Now the absurdity of this argument is self-evident. Even Muhammad, despite being an ignoramus and uneducated man of the seventh century knew that charges can be proven. For example, he said to prove the charge of adultery the accuser must produce 4 adult men as witness. This condition can rarely be met. Rapists generally don’t rape their victim in public. So the condition is a joke. Nonetheless, that benighted prophet at least knew that charges must be accompanied with proof and if that condition was met, the punishment would become applicable. Our educated Muslim does not have even the wits of his illiterate prophet.
Is he really this dim witted? Of course not! His grasp of English reveals that he has a university degree. Why would an educated person say such absurdities? It’s because he is ready to sacrifice his dignity, intelligence and make himself a laughing stock in order to defend his beloved prophet. He must be intelligent enough to know his argument is flawed.
He did not write those 131 pages to refute me. He wrote them to lampoon me. That is enough for Muslims. Now they can brag that Ali Sina is refuted and pass this ridiculous paper to each other and feel happy that someone has finally answered me, even if by the writer’s own admission it is not a refutation.
He wrote, “the author (Ali Sina) tried to avoid the utter humiliation of my counter-challenge by stating that I first have to have evidence to support these accusations. What an irrational dolt. No, I don’t.”
Really? One does not need any evidence to support one’s accusations? So was Muhammad a liar to say anyone who brings the charge of adultery against someone must prove it or they should be flogged?
“Those who accuse married women of committing adultery – but are not able to prove their accusation by producing four witness, must be flogged eighty lashes. Never accept their testimony thereafter because they are sinful,” (Q. 24:4)
I don’t know whether this slave actually read my book. I doubt it. Had he read it, he would have at least attempted to refute one of the charges. Instead went on to make up 33 charges against me and other anti-Islam writers, admitting from the outset that he is just making them up.
My charges remain uncontested. I am still waiting for a Muslim to write something intelligent and prove once and for all that what I say about their prophet is not true. That of course cannot happen.
Here is the link to what this Muslim wrote. http://issuu.com/islamophobiadebunked/docs/alisinabookreview
email him for a free copy of his book.
[[But when he was done, he named it “review,” and disclaimed that what he has written is NOT a rebuttal. “I have already stated that my review is not intended to be any refutation of the author’s clown show.” So what this Muslim has filled 131 pages of? “This is a lampooning exercise,” he confessed. In the absence of logic, appeal to ridicule is what most losers do. My challenge is: refute the charges I made against Muhammad. I know Muslims can be good clowns. Not only this Muslim did not refute my claims his 131 page write up is not even a review of my book. His reasoning consists in (I paraphrase)) “I am going to slander you of narcissism, pedophilia, etc. Since you can’t disprove something I haven’t proven, you lose and I win.” This is how a slave of Allah reasons.]]
Yet he does refute some of your claims… so in order to get out answering as per usual you simplified it that someone is picking on you… and is being illogical hence you do not need to answer!
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This is how you often avoid a good debate… a bit of dishonesty and carry on…
“My charges remain uncontested. I am still waiting for a Muslim to write something intelligent and prove once and for all that what I say about their prophet is not true. That of course cannot happen.”
Not quite true… everyone knows it…
exposingsina.wordpress.com
Why not have a look?
See how many logical faults are in here dear. Yes. I have not updated it for a while… how about some motivation?
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Let us face it… copying and pasting from Wikipedia has never been er… height of being an intellectual! Has it?
Quit babbling Sina…
Any day over your book and I will show you so many errors…
http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/
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Furthermore… you cannot afford to keep a site up… how will you pay anyone $50,000.
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At least get decent hosting 1st!
[[Is lying to non-Muslims permitted in Islam? Well.. we all know the answer to that question. (hint: taqiyya).]]
Lol! How amazing! This is lie built by likes of Robert Spencer.
But you are as I have repeatedly exposed thoroughly dishonest. So someone like you questioning anyone’s honesty is quite a laugh…
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/
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O mister………what else those poor girls will do if you threaten them to kill or accept your stupidity. And anyway, before their so called acceptance of your false cult, there were news that they were being raped and sold.
To stop from being raped and sold as slaves, they must have agreed. As is the case with all your conversions through out our history.
Hi Mr. Ali Sina,
I would like to ask you a question, hopefully you can answer me sincerely. Few years ago you wrote, a long article debunking this Islamic guy zakir naik, titled 'The world's greatest showman' and you challenged either zakir naik or other muslims to refute your article. The team from answering Christianity has provided their rebuttals to your article, if not mistaken one of them was yahya ahmed.
The question is why you have not responded to them? Can you please explain?
O foolish man they accept islam to save herself to rape and slavery.if islam is great then why they are kidnapped
@ slaveofprophet you are a big time goat and may God kill you , your family and your monster brothers by thunder… Amen
A MAN GREATER THAN GOD….. If Love is the greatest tenet of religious practice, then how does one measure Love, if not by the level of sacrifice, let us forget for a moment that Jesus is God or divine in any way, just a man – nothing more. By his life of sacrifice on the cross for the sins of humanity and by his sinless lifestyle as well as doing good for everyone, he has diplayed a greater example of Love than not just all leaders of every religion before and after him (2000 years ago), but also than all the gods worshipped by man; Allah, Krishna, Brahma, Vishnu, ancestor spirits or whoever else you can think of.
Let's assume that everything written about all these gods and godesses and deities are true, then we assume what is written about Jesus is true, let us then match these truths in regard to the concept of Love….None of these deities displayed such love like Jesus, which to me is the most important thing in worship….Shouldn't one then conclude that all these deities should vacate their divine thrones and surrender them to Jesus….
I have read most of the debates of Ali Sina and i fully agree with him from the bottom of my heart. Our muslim scholars were failing and always trying to deviate the topic or questions which they were supposed to address. So i wld love to c someone who defeats Sina (must be a day dream)
I bet, we muslims read Quran and Hadis with open eyes and closed brains so we question nothing against it. after reading Sina's ariticles i fully agree islam to be a false religion………i now dont even pray namaz nor do fasting in ramadan.
I fully agree with Katarina………and love to call slaveofprophet to be a big fool
good joke slaveofphrophet 🙂
you say After all we all are human beings…right? then why claim being a Prophet? be a man!
fool, if you are concluding before even reading the book, why read it? go marry some 9 yrs old kid and enjoy as you PBUH tells.
@ communist.
First of all I am not a Hindu philosopher. I hardy have read Hinduism. But from the little that I know it appears to be a very profound spiritual philosophy.
Secondly philosophy and law are two different subjects and Hinduism is a compilation from many authors. Agreeing with some of the Hindu philosophy does not necessitate agreeing with all of it and far less with its laws.
Thirdly, Hindu laws are made by people and hence reflect the needs of the era. They are subject to change. Unlike Islam, Hinduism is an evolving religion.
@I am a communist,
Dear dear. Marx advocated 10 rules in his Manifesto, which included confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels and gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country (Which as in Russia and China we find as the gradual erosion of the countryside and the rights of the villagers).
Wow … how great communism is! still proud of being a communist dear?
just for a Thought dear ali.
I am quoting from Manu smrithi the qoran of hinduism.
MS 9:94. त्रिंशद्वर्षो वहेत् कन्यां हृद्यां द्वादशवार्षिकीम्। त्र्यष्टवर्षो अष्टवर्षां वा धर्म सीदति सत्वरः॥
it means A man aged 33 years, shall marry a virgin of 12 who pleases him, or a man of 24 a child of 8 years (shall he marry). but if his duties be impeded be he married sooner.
MS 9:65
in the texts remarriage of widow is nowhere mentioned, nor prescribed.
wow . how great hinduism is! In islam a girl can marriage between 0 – 100 years. in hindu cult she will get married between 0 – 8 years. she cannot remarry or divorce.
still proud of being a Hindu Philosopher Ali dear?
@shabeer The quotations you gave regarding child marriage in hinduism are from the smriti shastras,which are not authentic or supreme source to verify the laws of hinduism. They were not written by the Vedic seers but by some petty brahmins much later to dominate the society. The actual sources are the Vedas and the Upanishads i.e. the shrutis. In all smriti shastras you will find a common statement that anything written in them which contradicts the shrutis is to be neglected and disregarded. One such a statement for example is " Shruti-Smriti virodhe tu Shrutirebo gariyasi". So only if there is any permission of child marriage in the vedas, this words from the smritis can be regarded as hindu law. But there is no such statement found in the vedas which backs up the smritis. So child marriage NOT acceptable in hinduism by its laws.
FIRST THE HADITH FROM THE CHAPTER >>Peacemaking<<
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 49 :: Hadith 857
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:
That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
THE VERSES DIRECTLY NEVER ORDERED THE SAYS LYING:
SAYING GOOD THINGS & GOOD INFORMATION FOR THE PEACE OF MUSLIM & NON MUSLIM AGREEMENT,I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IS PROPHET ORDERED THE LYING:
SECOND:
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6303
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (>>>>>in order to avert dispute<<<<), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that>>>> exemption was granted in anything <<<<<<what the people speak as lie but in three cases:>>>> in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons<<<<<< and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).
IS IT THE GREAT EVIDENCE THAT PUBLIC ORDERED TO LYING (TAQIYQ) TO ANYONE ANYTIME?????????????
ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC RULE A MUSLIM PEOPLE/SOCIETY STOP THE WAR /BLOODSHED/KILLING PEOPLE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN POSSIBLE:FROM A LITTLE TAQQYA WE CAN THE HUMANITY & PEACE WE CAN ADOPT IT:
IN ALL GENERAL SITUATION LYING PROHIBITED:
Stand and say truth:
7: 26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
6:152 ………..We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allâh, This He commands you, that you may remember.
7: 29. Say (O Muhammad SAW): My Lord has commanded justice and (said) that you should face Him only (i.e. worship none but Allâh and face the Qiblah, i.e. the Ka'bah at Makkah during prayers) in each and every place of worship, in prayers (and not to face other false deities and idols), and invoke Him only making your religion sincere to Him by not joining in worship any partner to Him and with the intention that you are doing your deeds for Allâh's sake only
33: 70. O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6307,6308,6309
It is obligatory for you to tell the truth, for truth leads to virtue and virtue leads to Paradise, and the man who continues to speak the truth and endeavours to tell the truth is eventually recorded as truthful with Allah, and beware of telling of a lie for telling of a lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell-Fire
Malik :: Book 56 : Hadith 56.7.16
Malik related to me that he heard that Abdullah ibn Masud used to say, "You must tell the truth. Truthfulness leads to right action. Right action leads to the Garden. Beware of lying. Lying leads to corruption, and corruption leads to the Fire. Don't you see that it is said, 'He speaks the truth and acts rightly,' and, 'He lies and is corrupt.'
Lie [a foot] against other prohibited:
60:12 O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bai'â (pledge), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allâh, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood (i.e. by making illegal children belonging to their husbands), and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'rûf (Islâmic Monotheism and all that which Islâm ordains) then accept their Bai'â (pledge), and ask Allâh to forgive them, Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Muslim :: Book 24 : Hadith 5237 ,5238
Lie prohibited
4: 112. And whoever earns a fault or a sin and then throws it on to someone innocent, he has indeed burdened himself with falsehood and a manifest sin.
11: 18,20: 61,61: 2.
Is lying to non-Muslims permitted in Islam? Well.. we all know the answer to that question. (hint: taqiyya).There are many wise people who have advised to "Never trust a Muslim". One of them [who advised so] was the Sikh Guru Gobind Singh, who found this out the hard way.
But what about lying to other Muslims? Is that permitted for a Muslim? TnKuK claims that it is not permitted at all. Shabeer has copy-pasted things that too make it look like it is not permitted in Islam. However their claims conflict with what we see in the real world. When mullahs rile Muslims up against Jews they claim things that are either outright false, manipulated, or incomplete truths (that is, they hide things).
Lots of Muslims, especially women, believe that the reason why Muhammad married 11 times was to help those poor women as they had been widowed. Now since Muslims see their prophet as 'God's man', it never occurs to them that they should inquire about how those women got widowed in the first place. But who makes these false claims to Muslims? Well, mullahs of course and other slaves of Allah dedicated to spreading the 'truth'.
And it is not just ordinary Muslims who are lied to by pious Muslims. Even those in positions of power are lied to. The example of Benazir Bhutto (former PM of Pakistan) comes to mind. She had said, “I do not believe that any true Muslim will make an attack on me because Islam forbids attacks on women, and Muslims know that if they attack a woman, they will burn in hell.” (source). Well, within 2 and half months of her making this statement, Muslims did two major violent attacks against her and succeeded in killing her the second time!
Where did Benazir learn that "Islam forbids attacks on women…"? Who told her such a thing? Well, who could it be besides her imam/mullah, or some other pious Muslim who she respected enough to ask him and believe his response!
These are only a few examples that I have listed in this comment. One can find many other examples of deception by Muslims on other Muslims. It happens enough that anyone paying attention will seriously doubt the claim that Islam requires Muslims to always be truthful to each other.
A casual research shows a few sources that support the view that lying is indeed permitted in Islam. Bukhari 49:857 says "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
Similarly, Muslim 32:6303 says "…he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Let's add to that what an important book on Sharia (Islamic Law) says regarding lying-
"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…" – Reliance of the Traveller, page 746 – 8.2
After reading the above true hadiths and the quote from the respected Sharia book, it does not take a Masters in Logic and Psychology to figure out that lying is indeed permitted for a Muslim under many circumstances
The conclusions from a 'casual' reserch may conflict with deep research, but when we see even Imams and mullahs (not ordinary muslims but mullahs) practicing deception, there is little reason to doubt the findings from this research.
Source: The Religion of Peace
The scary thing is that while islam is a bit in trouble in ME (when they experience shariah they rebel, see egypt)
Idiotic europeans convert without even read the quran, accept FGM.
Plus there is also nazism (Like Golden Dawn, M5S, Jobbik), alongside islam
Beacuse they were FORCED to do so.
Oh, you support Boko Haram. I'm not surprised by this, knowing how much fanatic you are.
@Phoenix
It's not Islam who do pain it's you who do pain to yourself we in the arabic world we don't even talk about suicide bomber or i don't knwo we have presiouc savants who teache us our religion and it's a very wonderfule religion and when you get deeper it's verry interresting really but you are hating something wich make people happy and you are hating and herting yourself we live in peace if you think that we have suicide bomber you are wrong i know who are terrorist and i have an experiance in my own contry and i know what terrorist mean they even don't do their pray and they kill Muslims and they are not from Muslims because they inderstood it wrong and it's not my problem and don't mention to me Pakistan and Nigeria because in our Islamic world we don't even talk about this contries in the religion side because they are not Muslims and we talk about what make you closer to God and Good things not like what you are doing and saying and seeing okay ? i know it verry well and i'm satisfyed bu Quran it's true and i have proof that Quran didn't say the the earth ( planet) is flat and in the Quran it's mentioned that the earth turn aroound itself and Nigeria is not an Arabic contry even an Islamic contry and we don't have suicide bomber the Muslims in Borma are living the cztastrophic life and no one of you said something because " it's okay they are Muslims" they are Burned ALIVE and killed and without reason and no one in the whole world said something and you are Bla bla bla Humans right Show me you Equality are Muslims in Borma Animals they are Craying and screaming and No one say that it's fauls or talked with Borma where is the U S A where are you All and if a dog is Killed in your contries it will be the new of the century a man killed his dog and he is in the Jail because of animals right and Humans right if you worry about Women i'm one and i'm Okay thank you for your help but i don't need it and you are talking about suicide bomber SORRY islam didn't say kill yourself and they are Humans and all of you are accusing Islam by Humans Actions it's not like a Human suicide with a bombe that's mean that Islam did this islam haven't a body and do this when you see Islam you aren't scared but when you see a Human Bomber you will be extra scared so don't mix between Humans and Books okay ? and to tell you if one of Christian Suicide like every day that's not mean that Christian told him to do so and one man killed a whol family and eat them and he is Christian and why we don't accuse christian because we are intellegent we know that this is a Human doing not a Book doing
But how could a man collect talks and loose his time and make his life in danger and collect from diffirent things and when you read Quran in Arabic it's completely diffirent from the English one when you see the linguistic creativity you will really be convainced and if the darwinisme theory was true we will not even have the idea of God because when you are young and you grown you don't even think that there is a God or what is A God because the idea of God isn't from a Human thinking there was something wich have been from a long time that there is a God before the" Maya" Nation because maya were scared from a God that they thought that he exist wich mean that they Grown in a milieu wich thought that there is a God and they knew what is a God so they had been teached about that from looooooong century but they had conflict in every nation wich mean that it was really a God thing when the Human is here not a Monkey because if it was we can't have a high average of intellegence + if we try in all Monkey kinds in deferrent places we can't have a Human because there is a cells diffirence between the animals and Human
Yes, but when you see the sciances evolution you can valdate Quran from it and we have as Arabic many things in Arabic that are fabulous and no one can create a verses it's completely impossible why ? we don't know and whi can talk with this Greatest and i don't think that Muhammed who didn't know how to read and how to write and how to say poetery have created the Quran or apport it from many sources because the consistency is huge really
Yes i know that Quran validate itself according to the sciantific evolution more it's longer more it's validate
Yes but Islam too if Islam was a fault it can obligate us to not learn it's more safe for the Quran but when learn is an obligation that's mean that Quran have nothings to be scared
But when you do what this prophet say you feel the changes in your life to the best what do you call that ? Hah ? a true prophet yes he is and when i do what he said i feel more closer to God and when i do what other says i feel that i'm far from God and this is the problem when you are far and happy this is the big mistake tha's mean that you are under the level 1 of being closer to God wich mean that it's bad and don't think that every savant in Islam will go to paradise because we in Islam God want fidelity if you do a good work to be seen by people or because it's Good it will not be accepted by God because he want you to be fidel to him doing Good thing because he said so not because i want people to wach me or because i have pitty for this man…..;etc
Me i'm Okay in Islam and i wonder how could all of you talk in the place of women if a weman want to talk about she will yes she will but i think that you have seen the film of Muhammed wich is what the story writer think but it's not true we know the truth about Muhammed because we learn about him what their friend told their kid's and they wrote books and apport his "Hadith" not what it seams for Non-muslims who don't have idea about him we have the truth about him from the faithfulest source from his friend that were with him a long periode of time and the film is what a man think not what he is and this film is far to be true
Tnkuk
People hate islam because it's a never-ending source of pain,suffering,violence and misery.The consequences of believing in the quran is too catastrophic to be dismissed as trivial.Besides the daily suicide bombings in islamic countries,the recent kidnapping of 200 schoolgirls,the bombings of secular institutions,etc. in Nigeria is enough to justify hatred for islam and see it eradicated from this planet and back to hell where it came from.
@ Demsci
My friend
/I would give up Darwinism if for instance Buddhism was more true in my opinion./
Darwinism and Buddhism are two sides of a single coin,i swear. Have you ever come across a person named "Osho". I suggest you to read five of his books ,really revolutionary thinking's,good food for thought.
Thank you for your frankness and the wonderful description of your deep, happy spiritual life. I think we two are alike in that we like to explore spiritual and religious texts and practices. I daresay both of us are unlike most.
It is almost impossible to argue with you because you talk about your feelings and I can't deny what you feel. and I don;t want to even try to take away your happiness. But you did come here, and that is strange, almost as if God led you here, or as if you were curious about the other side of the coin. Of Islam.
Darwinism is the attempt to reach the highest truth I can find. I do NOT believe in it because it is good for me. Maybe it is good for society in that society functions best when many people try to find highest truth. I would give up Darwinism if for instance Buddhism was more true in my opinion. What is good for me I pursue in other ways.
I wish there were some way in which you could keep your deep love and relationship to God but could withdraw your allegiance to a prophet who was not a messenger from THAT God (that is your big mistake I think). And that you thereby could distance yourself from all those who call themselves Muslims who interpret Islam different from you.
And that you could somehow connect yourself more to all those who love democracy and science (dem + sci) and human (woman) rights against those who wish to destroy or disparage it or despise it. Who would suppress you if they had the power. And as I told you, there ARE such Muslims (like Qanta Ahmed).
TnKuK, When I read your posts I see a person who is not sure about many of her beliefs. On the one hand you say you know all about Islam but otoh you say "If Al-Azhar says Nonie's laws really ARE islamic only then you will believe she (nonie) is right." It means you don't know if those laws really are Islamic or not.
You also said that "if they were teaching us bad things [at the Islamic school] i would quit whole the Islam because it seams baad." Well they are not going to say to you "We are teaching you bad things"… they will of course say that "Islam teaches good things." (They will say this even if Islam teaches many bad things.) Islam says "women forget more than men"…and it doesn't seem bad to you! Clearly Islam has fooled you into believing something that is NOT true!
You say you know all about Islam and "will discuss with anyone who has wrong understanding of Islam" (like terrorists and us), but otoh you say "i say my words according to what i have learned from my society and what i have learned from my experiances and what i have learn from Imam", which means you only know what your Imam told you and you never suspect that he may be hiding things from you and not telling you the full truth!
You do not know what Quran say and Sunnah…. you only know what your Imam told you! Demsci is right… you will disappear soon… because whatever we write here we provide evidence from Quran and from Sahih hadiths… Bukhari, Muslim, and a few others!
You probably know that Islam does not allow Muslims to lie to another Muslim, but did you know that Islam does allow lying to another Muslim if that lie is going to benefit Islam? A former prime minister of Pakistan named Benazir Bhutto (a woman) once said “I do not believe that any true Muslim will make an attack on me because Islam forbids attacks on women, and Muslims know that if they attack a woman, they will burn in hell.” The very next day, (Oct 18 2007) she was attacked by a suicide bomber in Pakistan. She did not get hurt but over a hundred other people died. Then only 2 months later she was attacked again by a suicide bomber…. and this time she was killed!
These attacks happened in Pakistan, where almost everyone is Muslim. Did those suicide bombers (and whoever gave them bombs) not know that they will go to hell if they attack a woman?
But we have studied Islam, and we know what really happened! Benazir's Imams lied to her when they said if a Muslim attacks a woman, he will burn in hell! Nowhere in Quran and Sahih hadiths it say such a thing. Unfortunately Bhutto trusted their lying Imams and ended up getting killed! Even her own parents probably did not tell her many things about Islam, because they worried that she will get scared!
So the thing to think about is that when even Prime Ministers (women) get fooled by Imams, why do you think they will not decieve an ordinary teenaged woman! TnKuK, you are a fool if you think you know what Islam teaches. The truth is that you only know what your Imam told you (and your well-wishing parents)!
You'r welcome , yes it was a big war and it's ended it was catastrophic :/ really but it have end
Yes those people are understanding Quran wrong and they think what you have say but they will get a punishment not a heaven when they will pay the price of theirs bad works they will go to Jennah just because they believed that there is One God this is the reason to go to Jennah
Yes it's was a dangerous periode really it was verry bad they were killing many innocent people and they were putting the terror and who killed people in front of people and it was justa catastriphic period but they are completely diffirent from us they Just understanded Quran in the right way too they were killing for things that don't need kill + my father lived this period he had many problems and his brother too and he had to Quit the contry to be safe :/ and now it's ended
(it's the same it's not like it's my name :D) Yes it is not because they are talking like that but because they are laying and they don't know what they are saying and they always understand Quran in the wrong way just like how terrorist understand it because of that they say that islam is a bad religion see ? they understand is always in the war and i don't know and like if it's for us this was fore people of that century in a war of that century Allah is telling us what he said and what happens it's not like he is saying kill them + if something similar happens we will know what to do because sometimes the history repeat it self + the unbelievers were serching the war so it's like that they must to have a base which is every verses of Quran have been for a story or a conflict But i will not leave Inshaa Allah because i have had pain more than this and i can be patient as much as they keep writing till my deth 🙂
Thank you for telling me about some of your life , for me i don't think that i will change my religion because when you really know what really Islam is you will be scared to change your religion because i think that islam is the truth and i feel that there is really a God in my life really i just have to pray him and every thing is Okay i swear sertenely psycho problems and it's a big sun who shine in my dark life i was too like others Algerians i was not really attached to Islam and i was living just my life like how i want and you know this kind of life you do what you want but i was not Happy i had many friends and i don't know but i wasn't happy i was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from God really one day in Ramadan in the best night of Ramadan i was praying and it was the best feeling ever i felt a new thing a wonderful thing and i felt that i'm clean i don't know why but it's like that and i don't want to loose this never it's a very beautiful feeling you relly feel that a God exist and you can pray him and it's not a lie and what i have prayed it become real i swear that what i pray become true but i must to be patient 🙂 it's what maked my life beautiful that you feel that you are in a protection you can have a good sleep night without being afraid of something like a fire of a Bomb or to be killed by someone because you are in the protection of God and you will be saved many times and God heard you just be patient ……and…….. just in one word " Wow" it's not like i'm telling you to be a Muslim but you are loosing a lot ^^ Any way Have a nice life
And because i know that they don't have true arguments they are all from a liar sources i'm not afraid + i prayed God to help me no one can stop me if God is with me + they understand Quran in the wrong way so it's nrml to make them understand it in the right way
Yes i will discuss with anyone who have a wrong understanding of Islam and till now i didn't ask any Question to my family or Imams i say my words according to what i have learned from my society and what i have learned from my experiances and what i have learn from Imam and what Quran say and Sunnah 🙂
Yours
@Allah,
For a change you are speaking sense. Why do they claim that you passed that filthy stuff called Quran?
Mr, Mr , Mr , Mr =________=" are you okay ?
Well this is Animals + they make their nest in a high level which many animals can't go there + the femal rest in her nest till the hatching of eggs when it's ready she can go and bring food with her hasbund -_-"
+ a woman in Islam must to take care of her hasbund so she have the house work + children if there is + he pick her and go to some place at the end of the day it's not like a jail she can go visit her mother and bla bla bla and she is not sensed working Oh what a beautiful comfort 🙂 and money come with herself
Tell me who has created this world? ,obviously "Allah" ,i don't think you will have any problem with this.If this is true then he is the creator of each and every kind of animal apart from man and woman upon this earth . He has created birds ,fish Tiger ,lions ,dogs,donkeys as well mosquitoes and bacterias.It is common that each animal has got two cast and they are male and female .Let me take an example of a pair of bird,i never saw a female bird living idly in its nest while the male venturing in search of food.Even during raising its kids ,both male and female birds works together to bring food for their kid.Then why your Allah ,confined woman of human animal in the four corners of the house ha ha ha…….. you fools wake up ,this Allah and Mohammed both are false ugly things to be followed ………….hahaha.
Tnkuk (or TnKuK?) I am thinking about what you say. And what kind of person you are. it must be so very strange and painful for you to read the articles and the posts here. So I am afraid that you will leave soon because of the pain we must cause you.
But I in my long life, I HAVE changed. I love my family very much, but I exchanged Christianity for Darwinism. And now still I am open for changing my opinions. Maybe you too, maybe that is why you stay. If you keep trying to debate though, you will get very strong opponents here.Aren't you afraid?
Another question, do you dare to discuss with anyone that you are here on this website, or do you dare question your family and imams about what is said here? I think not and that might be safer for you. All the best.
Thank you for telling me. Well, we heard that a few years back there as war, much killing in Algeria! But now no longer.
Do you know what the media and politicians, like Tony Blair in an important speech, mean with the term "Islamist"?
They make distinction between Moderate, Normal, innocent Muslims and "Islamists", those Muslims who want to use terror to conquer the world, or parts of it, for Islam,
who think that they will go to Jannath, paradise, where the men get 72 "Houri's" (young woman, maybe like you) when they die in war for Islam against the infidels.
And in the recent past the "Islamists" fought in Algeria against the army and they killed many Algerian civilians. Sometimes they even killed young women whom they considered not to be well-behaved or well-dressed enough.
That's what I heard, among other things, from Algeria. What do you know and think about that?
Yes i'm young and i know what i'm doing and i hope that i'm a fidel one because it's not me who say that it's Allah who jugde this
I will not vanish from here only if i dies and i know that it will be soon but i will do my best in the rest of my life days 🙂
No i will never change my attitude and learn because i know what is really islam YOU who don't know not me because me i have Grone in a Islamic contry and i know kinds of Muslims and i know who are terrorists and i know the defference between them and Muslims and i had a experiance about the terrorisme and many things and i learn in an islamic school and i learn only good things if they were teaching us bad things i would quit whole the Islam because it seams baad but it's the most wonderful religion certenlly the Hajj part Yaaaaaay >__< and pray and it's the best religion ever only who can try can know not who is observing from a far place
Yes this is called not the drawback of islam it's called the Drawback of Humans they are who do bad things not islam who have a body and do this you are all cmbining between humans crimes and Islam
it's false :/
Your welcome 🙂
Yes she is not a true Muslima she even don't have a Shape of Muslima û_ù + I think that she have created those law to critic islam she is a critic anyway
Yes but if they are wrong i will never do what they say i do what Allah say not what Islamist say no one have an importance in my life only if he gived a proof from the true Talks of Muhammed or Quran anything else i'm out of this every one have his life and he can do what he want
This 33 law are false no one follow them i have never seen a Muslim Following them exept in Saoudi arabia 1 law of them not more then this but to say that we are a united people pfffffff every one is living his life and every one is doing what he want
Yes because there is people who want to distroy our religion so they are creating things but i have never heard about this laws and no one did them in my contry and Saoudi arabia too this Nonie i have never heard that there is a woman who exist named Nonie Darwish Muslims too exept some Muslims are out of all what you are creating and making and puting and every thing they live their beautiful lives and you all are wasting your time in my entourage maybe all my contry no one know about his Nonie and his Laws and Ali sina and his lies and you are just wasting your time you will change nothing in Muslims + they don't do this laws when i seen them it's verry cleare that they are writen by a non Muslim i'm sure because it's the opposit of what Allah say
Me i live a beautiful life with Quran and Sunna Quran is my Heart pillow Hahah and Sunna is my Guide to good things that's all and all of you are thinking all this things O_O WOW it's really baaaad
If that Azhar didn't gived us a proof of what she is saying from the Sunnah i won't do what she say and i'm free it's my life it is not my God i do what i want i Obey Just Allah
I think that it's your life and every contry is free for his laws and those laws aren't Muslims laws our laws are more good than democratic ones + more fair and not those who this woman wrote + no contry have the right to delet another contry laws + our laws don't work in the non-muslims zone 🙂
I live in Algeria yes it's and Islamic contry but no one is giving attention to Islam they are Muslims but they do what they want no hijab no pray no zakat no ……..etc exept a good some of people who generally are old or Adult and few teen
Yes it's medium some of this some of that some of there not exactly Islamic pffff û_ù
But it's not true those Sharia Laws i think that they were re-writed if it's not you must to give me the Official source like the scanned page from the Official Papers anithing less it's Completely false a Muslim never do what is writed ther ( there is 2 true ones)
It's not Humilation for the Women she have her rights in Islam if a man is wrong he is wrong he will get all his punishment the Right is a raight in islam there is no illegal things or false things like those laws that a liar have writen , But i'm a Muslima and it's Okay i have all my rights don't worry about me i'm in a beautiful life my Mother too my Aunt every woman in my contry is Okay Sharia laws is valable when they have a problem but things between them it's between them Shariah can't be valable on this only in the court there yes
But it's not for yours women yours women are free from this laws of Islam it's valable for a true Muslima who follow Islam and do what Muslims do it's All
No, do you think that a woman is silly of cours she have his brothers his sisters his friends her mother her father all those + it's logical when a woman haven't a proof the man will be acquit but if she have a proof he will get his punishment it's logical
//"You are Talking with a Muslima and a proud one and who really know that all of you know nothing about her religion and she know it verry well and she is waiting for your arguments"//
You say this because you are young. But why is it impossible for an infidel to be an expert in Islam? There are many such infidels! it is why you will soon vanish from this website, I suspect. Unless you change your attitude and try to learn and think about what Islam really is and is not and what consequences it has for humans but also for whole societies. Maybe there are advantages of Islam and you know these well, but why do you choose to be blind for Islam's drawbacks? Or for the advantages of Islam's alternatives and competitors? You have your whole life in front of you, you can still change.
Thanks for responding to those 33 shariah-laws and giving us your opinion of them, TnKuK.
My response: Do you think Nonie Darwish just made them up? Or that she just, on her own, tried to make sense of Islam? NOOOOO!
You have to remember: Islam is 1400 years old. It had influential Islam-teachers and still has influential, even authoritative religious schools. In Muslim countries we infidels constantly hear what Islamic clerics and leaders say. And you have to remember; these laws operate when Muslims have absolute power and big military and numerical strength.
And THIS, the 33 laws, is what Islamic scholars, leaders said and still say, in large part. And of course what many of the 1,57 billion Muslims follow.
I mean: How can you solve the huge problem that your opinion and that of all those other Muslims, in past and present so decidedly differ??? Don't you think that Quran and Sunnah are to blame? Because of their incompleteness, vaqueness, ambiguity, obsoleteness. And most of all, because of their IMMUTABILITY, because they are supposed to be of divine origine, they are also supposed to remain totally unchanged, and nothing may be added or substracted from them. All that makes Quran and Sunnah highly vulnerable to misunderstanding and misuse of them. And THAT seems to me your biggest problem.
And when I suggest that you at least obey what Al Azhar University says what IS Islam and what IS NOT Islam, what according to them is demanded/ prohibited or not, you refuse that!
But, by contrast, democratic laws CAN be changed, and old laws can be abolished, and good new laws can be added. What do you think about all this?
//"i told you why a woman forget more that a man"//
Look TnKuK, when Muslims have rules like Shahada, Zakat, Praying 5 times a day, doing Ramadan, going for the Hajj, that is OK. If you are voluntarily a Muslim, by all means play by the rules of Islam.
Unless these conflict with the laws of the country. All citizens are under this law.
What an opinion you have about women! It is fine that you humiliate yourself towards Muslim men, but this shariah law is contradicting the laws of democratic countries and human rights. And it should never be allowed to rule over any woman, not even Muslima's.
Your opinion about this deficiency in women relative to men is not based on scientific evidence, but rather on the morals of 7th century societies. It's a reprehensive patriarchalistic opinion.
And you know where it could lead to? Suppose a woman accuses a man of raping her, but he denies it. Suppose the judge and jury only have the testimony of those 2, then they must acquit the man automatically!
//" but not i Saoudi arabia because this contry is out of this conversation but in others like in my contrie it is Half not like what Islam say because they are not attacher really to Islam :/ pfff they are not true Muslims so"//
TnKuK, in which country do you live? I live in Holland. Your country seems to somewhere in the Islamic world, although you seem to think it does not live according to Islamic law like Saudi Arabia.
No they didn't they were killed if they didn't want 🙂 + they were accepting without war but in some places it was the war so those who didn't want they were be killed but thouse who wanted they wanted they were invited not forced + my Old father was an Islamic savant and i'm proud of him 🙂 see ? he was not forced
If she is not Muslima and his brother or i don't know too she do what she want with the money she is not Muslima it's her right to take the money half i think but not i Saoudi arabia because this contry is out of this conversation but in others like in my contrie it is Half not like what Islam say because they are not attacher really to Islam :/ pfff they are not true Muslims so they do what they want but if they get a conflict it will be at the coure which may give them the obligation of the Islamic law i don't know :/
Aaaah okay i have read it it's okay it's nrml i told you why a woman forget more that a man 🙂
Idon't care about Azhar or Zohir or Azhar the most important is that i follow what Muhammad say and Allah 🙂
I'm from the Maliki + Hanbali
Oh please i live the a verry beautiful life in my peaceful Islam and every day i learn many things about Allah and there is stages that i must to pass them to be a believer it's the Most wonderful life ever 😀
and Ali sina is laying you can give his book understanding Muhammed the name or " All this is lies " i read it and he is jut like you all understand Quran in the wrong way bring things that never have relation with his sabject + he said in one article of the boook that people drink Muhammed Urine here when i have read this i was Shoked because a non-stupid purson know that if he drink Urin he will die i know many people who had some of mouse urine just because they didn't wash their hands and they were died in 30 second + maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things that i really hated i hate liars if you think that a non Muslim will teache you the Islam you are in the wrong thinking it's 100% false because who don't understand Quran and Sunnah are only non- Muslims if you want the truth ask a Muslim
BOko haram is not my business every one is free of his life if they want that Allah get mad of them it's their problem don't think that if they are Muslims that mean that Allah will not Punish them he will do more that an Non-muslim because they know the danger of what they are doing but they keep doing this + they are Humans it's not islam who said to them to do this
Pffffffffffffffff those Unbelievers are the last this in my life they can always write and lie but i live a happy life not like you you are all keeping hating and critic and wast your time and noting the detail of a Muslim let Us talk about another thing like Boko i don't know don't talk about All Muslims they don't pay you attention you are wasting you time you will never ever can convert a Muslim from Islam because he know islam and he know who is the liar and that islam is the truth
Yes just like that idiot who killed his friend with the verses of "Toba" because they are stupid they try to be intellegent and act as a Musulman and they think that they will get Paradise but they are in the wrong way Allah will punish them 🙁 and i hate them because they don't obey Allah
It's not Islam who must be accused it's me who must be accused it's not Islam who said that i must to kill Humans
Sorry i don't know those two because they are not Islam itself they are Humans if they killed themeselves it's not my problem it's their problem it's not like islam said to them kill yourself without reason + when he have seen the Verses he is an idiot he understand it in the wrong why what would you from me to do
we must not let normal people read Quran and try to act intelligent by interpreting it this is why every one is understanding Quran in the right way ( can you give me the verses of Toba that she or he or it or i don't know read please)
This Boko haram i have never heard about her untill now you told me it's a circle of some humans don't say that what human do is from Islam if he killed someone it's not my problem it's his problem a problem from a human to a human not from a religion to a human it's not like the Islam is a man and he kill people don't accuse Islam with Humans actions it's not islam who have a body and kill it's a religion a Good religion who a non muslim understand it wrong for me it's the most wonderful religion
+ Allah wasn't talking throught Muhammed + Allah want us just to believe that there is 1 God and to obey him juuuuuuuust this and all of you are creating all these scenes and accusing Islam about Humans action it's not my problem if there is Stupid humans who have a same religion like me we are not similar
One Christian man killed whole a family whithout a reason after he was waiting the police because he was disturbed so he cutt them and he cooked them and eated them and now he is in the jail but why i will not say that it's because of Christian it's because he is a human and he did this not the Christian i 'm not stupid to think that Christian have a body and kill and eat people
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n°17 it's also false because islam is the fair religion every thing like racissme is illegal and islam make the egality between Muslims and Non-muslim (there is a story about this a muslim and a non one the Muslim was the wrong and the non was right so the non muslim won in an islamic court )) + the woman is who keep his children + the father see them every 7 days or more or less
18° it's false look Muslims laws have nothing with Non-muslims it tald just about muslims not Non muslim it's not our business non muslim they are free in their lives
19° No it's false because who do this he will get his punishment in the judgment day not in the life so he will get a bad reputation and Muslims will not talk to him because he is desgusting and he is a non noble and honorable he is a a bad person just like ——n20° it's false whenthe girl get her puberty she can be married not after birth -_____-"———-n21° this is in she betray him with another man and she began smear his honor he will be obligated to do this because she passed her limits——-n22° Yes it's true because if she divorced him he will not marry someone untill she get another husbund so she must to be married with another man and when this happens he can marry another woman so it's depanding to her when she get married so he is who have the divorce because it's a big responsability for him it's not easy it's verry fair—–n23° i don't know verry well about this but i think that she and her chldren share her hasbund things ——n24° yes it's fair we have talked about this point in another comment
n25° Yes because i told you why the don't have the right to divorce him + it's the woman who say yes when he go to her engagement she is who say yes or no ——-n26 it's false 100% it's depanding to the parents of the girl + her + in saoudi arabia they give the dowry according to the color of the skin because the white skin is more loved there —–n27° it's 100% false Allah punish those men it have never been like this never the right is right Allah is fair——–n28° yes and i have told you why in another comment
n29° i didn't understand this :/ sorry —–n30° yes because the rapist will have a big punishment if she is laying it will be verry bad for him——-n31° this if she don't want to marry him—n32° it's if you want to do this the woman who choose not the laws if she want to be closer to God she must to do not what she want what God want so she will be protected from rape and many things :)—–n33° it's not true about killing he don't have the right
Thank you for this laws Le'ts start : —–
-n°1 is done when they attack you not just like this + it was valble before when there was the "The Ottoman Empire" but now it have ended So don't bring this to me 🙂
n°2 this was done before too when it was the "Ottoman empire" and when there was Caliph + it's not like that at all when Muhammed dies he lets said that we must to Shura with whole the people of that place and let them choose their Caliph but it's a long story two man made a conflict and it's a long story …… so it's not like this this law according to Muhammed my prophet + Allah 🙂
n°3 it's comletely false Allah is fair every one who did a mistake he will pay it price this is 100% false according to the Quran 🙂 and there was "Omar ibn Al khataab" i think his son have drinked beer or i don't know he did what allah says and hit him till the last hit :)—-
n°4 No, it's not an obligation it's you" Zakat" and you must to get it out and depence it where you want but in the good things like give it to a poor and similar things and if you want to give it to the jihad it's yours :)—
n°5 this is completely false 100% Allah says that we musn't do the bad things and every one have his right if the Caliph is unjustice you musn't follow him because you will be tortured in the Judgment day Allah said even if it was you parent be nice with them but don't do the unjustice thing that they want you to do
n°6 a Caliph Must be a muslim yes and a non-slave this is WRONG because islam is the religion who stop the slavity and stopped the racism which was in that time + yes it must that the Caliph is a man because he must to do planing of many things and wars and he must to talk with many men + he have to be alone with men not like a Woman + i told you where she should be in Islam
n°7 Yes it's true 🙂 and it's Good —-
n°8 No it's not true because Allah said that he will let him till the judgment day and he will pay the price of this there not here in this life so it's Wrong + this law is what some people think not what Allah and Muhammed said so it's false —–
n°9 it's 100% false Allah never said that and Muhammed never said that + it's illegal in islam that a Muslim kill someone for this Stupid things Allah gived us in the Quran the punishment of every one of them ( the apostate ……etc) + honor killing or i don't know is not addmited in Quran so it's false —
n°10 No it's not like that if a muslim kill a person which attacked him or something he will no get the penalty but if that one is staying and the Muslim go to kill him he will have the penalty but if he killed a Believer (without a reason ) he must to be killed because he killed a person that is closer to Allah
n°11 this is 1000000% false because islam deprives the salavity and similar things + no one have the right to do sex with someone exept if he is his hasbund or wife exept this two Allah told us the punishment of those who do this ——
n°12 this is completeli false because Allah gived us the punishment of every thing so killing is in 1 condition if someone kill someone without a reason that's all any thing exept this have it's own punishment which is not killing ——-
n°13 it's completely false because it's not logical How would Christian for example go to a Muslim's place and buld a Church pffff + Muslims will do nothing for them + a non Muslim can enter the Mosque it's a big pleasure to let him see our Islamic religion but a muslim haven't the right to enter a Church whith out permission of Imam + it's not Muslims things if a Christian wanted to buld a Church it's not like he will attack him he is free the Muslim must to pretect his house and the Mosque any thing else it's not his business so it's false ——-
n°14 No it's false 100% because a non Muslim is free for what he do it's not Muslims business + it's he and he do what he want just like Ali but if he deppased his limits it will be illegal because he must to respect others religions and no one said that a Muslim can curse a non muslim ——
n°15 i don't know about this but i think that it's not true because if you have a non muslim daughter you as a father you must to do your work as a father so she can inherit but i don't know about this verry well —-
-n°16 Yes i'm with this because the interest is " Haram" in islam because if you had scrounge 30 million you will pay after 30 million not 40 million it's fair i hate that interest
Lol ! No i don't even know him 🙂
TnKuK, are you Shabeer's daughter??
//"this law respond to a "Muslima" not to a non-One"//
Well, As long is this indeed would be (no longer) the law of the land (for all it's citizens) but only something that Muslims have to abide by, I CAN give you a pass for this one. Although I don't like it. Provided of course, that to be a Muslima or not to be a Muslima are completely free choices. So if a Muslima apostasizes she no longer has to abide by this rules INSIDE Islam. Agreed?
//"( Sorry i didn't understand what whould you say by this ""//And call upon two (Muslim) men among you as witnesses. If two men are not there, then let there be one man and two women,from among those of whom you approve as witnesses, that if either of the two women errs (through forgetfulness), the other may remind her. //"" ) "//
But that is the exact quote from Quran 2.282! It came after my Quran 2.282:
No, not in the past or in the future this law respond to a "Muslima" not to a non-One because the Muslima have to stay at home to take care of their Kid's + Houswork and ….etc not like the Women who want to be like the man she want to work this is in the unbelievers women
But this law is valable for a Muslima not others it's because of this it's not valable for you all unbelievers and you critic it but it's not for you :/ it's only valable for Muslims and yes it's still valid
Yes because the woman is exposed to forget + it have many hormonal changes which influance her body ( when this happends she stop all prays and islamic worship exept some few ones) she is more weak than the man which don't have shuch things so he stay stable
( Sorry i didn't understand what whould you say by this ""//And call upon two (Muslim) men among you as witnesses. If two men are not there, then let there be one man and two women,from among those of whom you approve as witnesses, that if either of the two women errs (through forgetfulness), the other may remind her. //"" )
it's not injustice don't look at this laws like if it's for you it's for un Muslimans women not yours don't worry 🙂
//"i do what a true Imam say not a university + if all the world say that a muslim must to do something that Muhammed didn't say and Quran i will not do it i do what my God say not what Humans say"//
Oh, but Al Azhar is very famous and authoritative Islamic University. For Sunni Islam. In Sunni Islam there are also the famous 4 schools of Islamic teaching or learning or interpretation: Shafi, Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki. From which one are your true Imam and you?
My point is that people like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and David Wood and many other infidels now do know and report what it is that influential Muslims and also violent Muslims, like Boko Haram, say about how Islam, that is Quran and Sunnah, should be interpreted.
By now it is clear that many Muslims are trying to convince the world that what Boko Haram did was not truly Islamic. But …..in Pakistan a few courageous writers have this to say about this Islam-apologist activity:
In an article titled “There is a mini Boko Haram thriving in every Muslim society,” columnist Murtaza Haider warned that such situations are inherent in Muslim societies and can be seen in the way girls are raised. The article was published by liberal daily Dawn.
In another article titled “Shameless apologia,” journalist Kunwar Khuldune Shahid questioned the liberal Muslim apologists and Western leftists for describing liberal voices as “Islamophobia.” In the article, published by Lahore-based liberal weekly The Friday Times, Shahid also stated: “Saying that Islamists are using the ‘wrong’ Islam uses the same logic that Islamists use to claim that the progressives are using the ‘wrong’ Islam. Playing ‘true and false’, while thousands continue to be under the Islamist gun is a very dangerous game to play.”
//"it's not like he said this i want you to know that Islam didn't say this so Islam is innocent from what all are saying"//
OK, but when would YOU, "the people who do what Allah said" really kill other humans? For what reasons? Do you remember Michael Adebolajo who killed Lee Rigby earlier this year in Woolwhich? He gave as reason for the kill an Islamic verse, the verse "Al Thawba" I believe. What did YOU think about that murder?
I mean; it is one thing to kill on grounds of self-defense, but quite another if people kill if they THINK that that is what "Allah" wants them to do. And how would they know? Would they believe some Islamic leader? Who claims that Allah speaks through him? Or who interprets Quran-Sunnah in an agressive, violent way? Like Boko Haram?
By the way, are you one of those Muslims who say Boko Haram is not following true Islam? Weren't you shocked by the way Boko Haram treated those innocent school girls???
//"i want to see this 33 laws give me wbsite or something"// http://www.frontpagemag.com/2010/nonie-darwish/sh…
Here they are:
1-Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2-A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3-A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.
4-A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.
5-It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6-A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7-The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.
8-A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
9-A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Vigilante street justice and honor killing is acceptable.
10-A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.
11-Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.
12-Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery.
13-Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims under the law. They must comply to Islamic law if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
14-It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. But Muslims can curse non-Muslims.
15-A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
16-Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
17-No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or bathhouse attendants. Women in low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
18-A non-Muslim cannot rule — even over a non-Muslim minority.
19-Homosexuality is punishable by death.
20-There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and can be consummated at age 8 or 9.
21-Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
22-Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
23-There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
24-A woman inherits half what a man inherits.
25-A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and none of them have a right to divorce him — even if he is polygamous.
26-The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
27-A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
28-The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.
29-A woman loses custody if she remarries.
30-To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.
31-A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
32-A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body, which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Not all Sharia schools allow the face of a woman exposed.
33-A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife at the time he caught her in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women, since the man “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”
TnKuk, you responded about inheritance laws in the Quran.
And it was insightful/ interesting. Maybe in the past it was under different circumstances a good logical law, yes. But now no longer. Women can study, take a job and provide income so they also must pay for half the expenses for the weddings, apartment, monthly costs. But that of course means that she also must inherit in equal share with men. What do you think, is the old inheritancelaw still valid or no longer?
But I wrote TESTIMONY. This is about what happens in court, with witnesses. it is widely observed in Islamic countries that the testimony of 2 women is equated with that of 1 man. And it derives from Quran 2.282:
And call upon two (Muslim) men among you as witnesses. If two men are not there, then let there be one man and two women,from among those of whom you approve as witnesses, that if either of the two women errs (through forgetfulness), the other may remind her.
You see the injustice done upon women? What do you think of that?
What is the number of time i must to say STOP LAYING to make you closing you mouth Mr,Satanic you can't understand verses so no one asked you your interpretation for them you have no idea about what is the Quran saying i'm a woman and i live a peaceful life in islam don't talk in the place of women if they were violed they will talk by themeselves so Go Out of this things
Ha Ha Ha Ha it's not funny as joke
he exist but Pistachio heads like you can't see the light how would them see the Greatest Allah
@Chuck
It is amazing to see; how they are conditioned thoroughly,no escape. Really a strange thing to here,in this present world.You are as usual; the same 😉
Ha Ha Ha Ha it's not funny as a mini joke
if you have a brain you will understand what i will say :
You are talking about humans don't talk about them using their religion Okay ? 🙂 + don't say tha't who are Mujahhid for his contry don't call him Islamic terrorist because if you contry will be in a war why you don't call the people who are defancing you contry by christian terrorist but you call them brave
but if you are a " Pistachio " brain nut you will keep what you are doing till the last moment of your life becareful if you have a beautiful life you will paye it's price in Hell 😀 good lick Mr
Ha ha ha it's not funny
This is so poor to have only your finguers to write this prove it with one of his talks from a assured source like " Sahih Muslim" okay + if he were like this his friend "Abubakr" will never be his friend + will never give him his daughter Okay + he was loved + no one said that he raped children so can you kick you self from here please because you haven't an utility here you are just laying about things that you totaly ignore
+ @satanic You didn't see him with you eyes + you haven't a prove you are just talking about something that you ignore he Married Aisha to memorize his talks not to rape her if he had raped her she will say this and try to run away and i don't know don't talk in Aisha place Ok ? + Don't talk about Allah like if he is in the same of your PETTY level Okay
Shabeer and slaveofprophet
Let's congratulate Narendra Modi.I am sure that he will eradicate the movement of Indian Mujahiddin and SIMI and he will generate opportunities of employment for these misguided muslims.
Reality i don't care but there is many universities in the world and it's not this university who say what a Muslim do i do what Quran say and true talks of Muhammed no what a university say okay + i do what a true Imam say not a university + if all the world say that a muslim must to do something that Muhammed didn't say and Quran i will not do it i do what my God say not what Humans say + Allah told us to do what Muhammed say ( the true talks not the false one like what your friends bring) + if this university told me that what i say isn't islam i will take my self and go there and talk with them till the last word if they didn't convinced me i will pray Allah to show them their falts an i will never stop proving them that they arewrong but as a muslim i don't think that a University like this will make falts or don't understand islam in the right way + i know if they were serious they know what is Islam 🙂 i have a confidence on them because they know Quran more than me and Muhammed taks too and they are closer to Allah from me so i don't think that they say such a wrong thing about islam because no one know the truth of Islam exept a true Muslim no one know the pleasure of being closer to Allah it's a huge thing + it's with satges not like an easy thing because All our life is "Walking to Allah" in the right way or in the wrong way it's your chose there is many wrong ways but there is One right way and you can know if you are in the right way it have stages and levels and things that you see and feel and know it's the most beautiful way that people like you don't know Some muslims too because of that they are not enjoying Islam i get never bored in Islam not like others
But i told you that if not in the future or i don't know if islam told us that we must to kill every one we will it's not like he said this i want you to know that Islam didn't say this so Islam is innocent from what all are saying
If islam Said this we must to kill every Unbeliever because they deserve because they are saying what they don't know about Allah + he is our creator how would them be so idiots with their God and say that he have a son any way Allah have Hell that will contain in the end every Unbeliever it's very hard but it's fair because they are pistachio heads it's shining that there is One God but they All keep creating with their imagination new God's i don't know what does we call this kind of person i hate them so much because they are traitors of mercy it's verry good that they will have a good life and be tortured in Hell in the end
Because Allah is fair they wanted the life so they will get their life and they loose their End they Buy the life with the End so Allah will give them a sweet life that they wanted and the Hell in the end because they wanted you can choose only one thing of this two
Nazi were killing without a religion goal they wire just kiling because it was a war don't compare them to us , I mean by "we" those who do what Allah said Allah said Only Good thing i love Allah 😀
You are Talking with a Muslima and a proud one and who really know that all of you know nothing about her religion and she know it verry well and she is waiting for your arguments
I won't vanish don't worry only if Allah wanted this + i don't need any attention i need to kick the lies about my precious religion
Let's start ^____________^ i want to see this 33 laws give me wbsite or something + the first is admited in every religion so don't say it like it's only Islam who do this + i have never heard a Muslim convert to another religion because when he know Islam he see the truth about Islam So he stay in Islam okay + i have seen an Old man who convert to Christian he was near deth hi was not killed and what you are saying + if i want to convert no one will kill me Okay this what Shariaa think but what Allah said he said that he will be tortured in the judgment day not in the life okay so the penalty OF THE APOASTASY in islam is in the JuDGMENT DAY not in this life okay man ?
For your one thing : Islam is the best protecter of my laws and do you think that if Islam is violing my laws i will stay in Islam pfffff NEVER but Islam is my secure zone i love Islam +( don't you know that under Islamic law the testimony of one man is equal to that of 2 women? Now where did that law, so clearly contradicting our democratic law, come from? )Yes i know in the firs time i have seen this i said that it's not fait but it's fair WHY i will tell you
Les's say that you have a sister and you you father is dead and he let a some of money which is let's say 30 000 000 £ and you will share it with your sister it will be like this :
YOU YOUR SISTER
20 000 000 £ 10 000 000£
1- She is not married and you too :
YOU YOUR SISTER
1-you must to go to pay the whole marriage 1- she bring the money from his 2- you must to go and work and to give your wife Husbund he pay every thing
a some of money he buy the car and the house
3- you must to buy an appartement and to buy daily food he bring the money and
no one will help you she have a beautiful life
if you are the two married it's worst Hahaha XD
If you want to have less than what you have tell us and we will make it 10 500 000 for both but you are the looser
//And I am not the right person to provide you with "aya's" and Islamic verses as evidence, but others here can give them to you to your heart's content, ad nauseam. If you are serious. I hope soon enough others will respond to your challenges!// thank you for your addmission i hope that some one will do
@Abeid Salim
//A man cannot leave without a woman even your father or you yourself will marry again if your wife dies as its natural for men as we desire companionship. //
The weakness of that defense is that Muhammad didn't marry only once but 12 times after Khadija's death. These marriages were not done because he was companion-less, in fact he had 10 wives all coexisting and cohabiting together. So the point you raised is rather pointless.
A man cannot leave without a woman even your father or you yourself will marry again if your wife dies as its natural for men as we desire companionship.
Dear Demsci, hope the next generation of Muslims becomes more tolerant. what needs to be done is that all religions should be taught at school. i agree with you Islam should be criticized like all other religions. but it something new for Muslims. and they should stop teaching children that there is science at Quran. we have a tv show on Afghan channel by the name of Islam and Science. this program is brainwashing people, in this program they are saying see how the modern science is in the Quran. i even heard when i was at the mosque my imam even told one can built a rocket by reading the Quran, all the details on how to built it is there.
Dear Demsci, hope the next generation of Muslims becomes more tolerant. what needs to be done is that all religions should be taught at school. i agree with you Islam should be criticized like all other religions. but it something new for Muslims. and they should stop teaching children that there is science at Quran. we have a tv show on Afghan channel by the name of Islam and Science. this program is brainwashing people, in this program they are saying see how the modern science is in the Quran. i even heard when i was at the mosque my imam even told one can built a rocket by reading the Quran, all the details on how to built it is there.
Dear Ali Nabi,
From your reply I can see that you want a reformed Islam. Personally I feel it is impossible, but I am not the one to answer that as I am not Islamic. But, you can check with scholars like Ali Sina, whether it is possible.
In India, the Sufism form of Islam was largely active. But the money from Arab countries force the local muslims to eradicate the Sufiism/Dhargah and all other forms of Islam. They try to impose that Wahabism is the only true form of Islam. Now, some sector of Muslims themselves want to oppose these, but they do not have powers to oppose and finally they fall in the trap.
Also, there are other things in the world apart from religion, apart from Islam.
//" because i know the true islam it's not an interpretation i have the true arguments from Quran and Sunna'h so don't think that what islam is for those people is the true islam"//
I read somewhere that the Al Azhar-university in Cairo is the only Islamic authority that can declare that what a Muslim or counterjihadist declares to be part of Islam, meaning of Islam, law of Islam etc, as being a "DEVIATION OF ISLAM". In other words: That Al Azhar can declare who are "Heretics" and are spreading false Islamic teachings. I hope and wish that that were true!!! They could give a lot of clarity, because there is now a lot of confusion in the world about what is or is not Islam, what it means and means not, what it demands and prohibits or what it does not demand or prohibit.
And suppose Al Azhar said that your version of Islam is a "deviation from Islam" how would you react?
//" But if Islam say Kill every unbeliever we will kill every one"//
What is it that you mean by THIS??? I mean don;t you even know by now whether or not Islam says this???
And if Islam does say this, does that not make you as bad as the NAZI's??? Who do you mean by "we"?
Or better; what kind of a person am I talking to here???
//"we will talk tomorrow Salam"// Salam to you too. More likely you will vanish from this website very soon. But If you really keep talking, you'll get a lot of attention, and shocks too.
Under Shariah law there are # 33 laws that are in direct contradiction to Democratic laws or human rights. The first being the deathpenalty for apostasy. An outrageous law, but one enshrined in Islamic law, and defended by millions of Muslims, including Islamic clerics. So you see, even if you wished to get out of Islam, you can't and of of course you have no such intention!
Whether or not your rights as a woman are violated by Islam? Well, the rights of women for equal treatment indeed are violated by at least the interpretations of Islam by many Muslims, including Islamic scholars.
For one thing; don't you know that under Islamic law the testimony of one man is equal to that of 2 women? Now where did that law, so clearly contradicting our democratic law, come from?
And I am not the right person to provide you with "aya's" and Islamic verses as evidence, but others here can give them to you to your heart's content, ad nauseam. If you are serious. I hope soon enough others will respond to your challenges!
Yes it's a big diffirance and i'm the tue one i don't even give attention to this man that you have mentionned because i know the true islam it's not an interpretation i have the true arguments from Quran and Sunna'h so don't think that what islam is for those people is the true islam because there is a biiig diffirance between islam and your religion it's a biiiig diffirance so if you think that your interpretation to islam is the real face of islam you'r wrong because i lived in islam if it was bad i will be a bad person but i 'm not bad and i know it and i love islam and in islam all this sex things that you all are talking about are false Allah said that No man can touch a women which is not his wife he don't even have the right to look at her
Salam don't say that i'm gone and i don't know
tomorrow you will see
Whohohohoho it's very funny i have read Ali Sina's book + i asked him many many question but he ignored me because he didn't have answers okay don't think that i'm playing + i asked him many more Question and he was just changing the subjict he have never answered me + he is ignoring me because i write him E-mails that he can't prove wrong okay i'm enought intellegent don't worry about me i'm not an ignorant
Ha ha ha can you stop kidding Mr,Demsci because Islam never condradict your laws and Democracy and human bla bla bla if it was done by a Muslim it's not Islam problem it's A Human problem Okay ?
But if Islam say Kill every unbeliever we will kill every one
Here and Now you can say that we are contacting or i don't know your democracy and Humans bla bla bla rights Okay ?
If there is a "Aya " that say that bring it to me if there is a True "hadith" Bring it to me and i will answer you + if Islam was violing my rights as a woman i will leave it and . but because of Islam is verry nice i will never leave it + you must to see Muslims in Borma Okay and tell me why Humans rights didn't say that it's illegal or i don't know Okay and if you didn't find i will give you the video from Youtube
we will talk tomorrow Salam
//"it can NEVER happend with true Muslim because Islam never said that and be careful i really know well my Religion"//
TnKuK, do you or don't you understand the difference between the next two sentences:
A. A person can know and defend "Islam" very well.
B. A person can know and defend "his or her INTERPRETATIONS of Islam" very well.
You seem to act, as most Muslims do, as if you speak about "all Islam", "the only true Islam", "Islam as it was meant by Allah through Mohammed". But you know what? Boko Haram, de Ayatollahs, Al Qaida, Taliban, Wahhabi's, even the Ahmadiyya's say the same. But they sometimes say very different things from what Islam-apologists (like you) tell us. And trust me, we KNOW, we monitor the Islamic world. So who REALLY speaks in the name of Islam???
No! You should humbly admit that you only speak about the INTERPRETATION, VERSION of Islam that your teachers told you and which you believe in, but please no longer pretend to "know Islam" and speak about what "Islam" means and means not and demands and prohibits.
Ooooh what's you problem you were there to see him pffff + hi didn't do this you have fals information man
//" + Quran is valid and if you have an objection Tell me and i will answer you any question i'm ready just ask !!!!!"//
First of all, there are some people regularly posting on this website or Islam Watch like Chuck or Jonmc, and of course Ali Sina himself, who know Islam very well too and who can ask you very tough questions. If you browse this website, or Islam Watch, or Answering Muslims, you already can see countless striking criticisms of Islam, against which I think you have no defense. I think you don't know what you are up against and that once you know you will run away, like so many Muslims before you. But I commend your enthousiasm!
And we are not Slaves of Prophet Allah told us to love Muhammed So i must to kick any fals things about him i'am just ready just ask it ans say it û_ù
It's not like i'am enthousiastic Muslima and i 'm a Woman and i'm here not because to opposite you but to prove you wrong and i will "In Shaa Allah" i will i'm not interrested about islamic sites i like just Quran sites and Imam's websites okay ?
And if you have any Question ask a muslim 🙂
Oh, I believe you know Islam and the Quran very well! But I know Democracy and human rights very well, and countless times I read about or speak with Muslims that contradict some of our laws and violate human rights and they do that on the basis of Islam! Also, Muslims contradict many scientific theories on the basis of Islam. So you see? It is not so much Islam that is attacked here, it is more that Democracy, human rights and scientific theories are defended against Muslims and Islam.
TnKuk, nice that you respond. You seem to be a enthousiastic Muslim(a) (are you man or woman?) and we only get here the Muslims Slave of Prophet, who is very radical, and Shabeer, who is always spamming with his copy-pastes and much disliked and disparaged here. To debate. And if we go to Islamic websites, then we will be censored for sure. So it seems positive to me that you are here, enthousiastically opposing us.
But i'm a true Muslim and i have never herd about what you are talking it's Totaly 'Haram" it can NEVER happend with true Muslim because Islam never said that and be careful i really know well my Religion if i'm not sure i Shut up but i'm sure and i know what i'm talking don't think that bringing a Quran "Aya" and try to say what it say because you will never understand it in the right meaning
if you think that islam let A muslim do that you are wrong even if he was the most faithful in the world God will make him pay his falt Allah is the most fair in all existance bring to me that Quran "Aya" that make you think that i want to see it
But why can't all of you understand Quran wat's really you problem i want you to give me the "Aya" because i know what my Holly Quran say give it to me and i will leave islam if it's true and you will get the Honor okay ?
Yes i accused him that he is laying and i'm sure! and i know more that All of you about my religion don't teache me my religion because you don't know about my religion + i want to know what is you problem in this "Ayat" Allah said that we musn't do sex with people we can just with our hasbund or wives is this a bad thing ? to be loyal to you hasbud or wife ?
+ Quran is valid and if you have an objection Tell me and i will answer you any question i'm ready just ask !!!!!
Dear Ali Nabi, I am Westerner from Holland, and Darwinist myself. I believe in tolerance for all religions. But I am much disappointed in most Muslims, because they seem so intolerant to other faiths than their own. Or indifferent to all the genuine, good democratic criticism on Islam and Muslims. However, the Westerners by and large are somehow "political correct" and they massively refuse to condemn and combat those Muslims who are intolerant or indifferent, instead they often call Islam-critics "Islamophobic" and prejudiced.
So most Westerners will always defend Islam's right to exist, but they would welcome very much a reform, or wholly democratic interpretation of Islam. Most Westerners indeed keep forever saying"there is a distinction between moderate and radical Muslims". The media and politicians, like Tony Blair recently, most of all.
And now there is Clarion Project website, with the movie Honor Diaries, with a certain Muslima, Qanta Ahmed. She and others, like Zuhdi Jasser, Irshad Manji etc, they all say that THEIR interpretation of Islam is wholly compatible with Democracy and human rights and very much against the Islam-interpretation of all these millions of radical Muslims, like the Taliban, Ayatollah's, Wahhabi's etc etc.
Because there seems to be no way to convince most Westerners to fight Islam, I hope Qanta Ahmed and her fellow "democratic Muslims" somehow will succeed to convince more & more now still radical or indifferent Muslims to agree with her.
TnKuK. As a Muslim you believe that the Quran is the literal word from Allah. And of course that it is moral, useful and for all time valid until judgement day. Now these verses say that it is no problem for a Muslim to somehow buy and keep a young women-servant and then have a sexual relationship with her, as long as he likes. Mind you without being married to her, and while being married to his lawful wife. Now, is that something that is still valid today in your opinion?
If keeping a young girl-servant and having regular sex with her next to having a wife is no longer valid nowadays, then please humbly admit that the Quran indeed has parts that are no longer valid.
But what do you do? You even ignore that those verses say that it is OK for a faithful Muslim to have, besides a wife, a sexual relationship with another woman, the one his right hand possesses, and we now know that that means a slavegirl. You ask us what is our problem with that behavior, that permission of adultery, polygamy, in the Quran! As if you have never heard about Monogamic laws and morals and the rights of women to be free to choose her own partner (and of course a slave-girl is forced to have sex with her owner, the faithful Muslims according to the Quran!).
It is these verses that Boko Haram use as an excuse to capture Christian girls and girls from "bad Muslims" because they say that Boko Haram is at war with them, so entitled to make women war captives and sell them as slaves. And once a Muslim has bought such a woman war captive slave, he can have sex with her as much and as long as he wants, without marriages, without her consent! As per these verses!
And if you don't agree with that interpretation, you still won't humbly admit to us that this part and so some parts of the Quran are no longer valid today!
Instead you accuse the poster, Satanic Verses, of lying! But it is you who is the ignorant or lying one about these verses, not he.
TnKuK, you seem to be very young and to have a lot to learn. First of all, if you bring criticism about Christianity here, that is completely useless. Pointing out the faults of another religion does not make Islam look any better. Anyway it is also of no interest to the Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists etc. Criticism on Christianity is done often here, but it is always ignored because it is useless and out of place on this website, which is about Islam.
Dear Srinivasan K, I agree with you, Islam has hurt Afghanistan very much and continues to do. because Islam has never tolerated criticism that's why it is very difficult to reform it, if not impossible. when i was a kid maybe eight years old i would go to religious school every day and i was almost beaten every day by the cleric at that school. because i had to learn 3 pages of Quran in a language which i didn't understand. I called it cry school because every i went there i was beaten and cried. what i wish is a reformed Islam. and i belief that we and also our Indian brothers as well as other Muslims have the right to pray and have the holy book in their respected languages. for few years back we tried it, but the clerics supported by arabs prevented us from doing that. I love also Buddhism its just something about Buddhism that is so special that no other religion have. it is not dogmatic religion. while Hinduism is a very colorful and beautiful religion, but it is too colorful for my taste. for me what Islam done is not important what i want is that Islam be reformed like Christianity and be a positive force. I am extremely proud and happy that you called Afghanistan the land of Buddhism i hope in future Buddhism became one of the major religions of Afghanistan. sorry for my English.
Best wishes
Ali nabi
This is for you Mr.Ali
I asked you the electronic version of you book + in arabic and i have read all your bookand you have given me long time and in the end i prooved many things wrong and i have asked you many Question that you have just ingnored and didn't answer them + you said that you are wasting you time but you have never answerd my questions + you didn't believe me that i have read the book because you think that you book will change every one i will tell you something if you want to do this you must to be brave and to know what you are saying not bring 1465544 lie + an Aya say this but you explain in the false way and you still ignoring my msg when i prove you wrong i want to prove me wrong i want you to stop me right now why you can't ? i'm not an old person i'am a teenager you can convince me no ?
I want you to tell me what is your problem whith Safiyah and Juwairiah they are you sister, No! So he married them it's not your problem it's better than a man who maried a men okay ? + if they were insulted and i don't knwo they will never accept him they have a father and a mother or an uncul who will save them from him if he forced them okay they accepted by themselves so don't say something that you are not invited to talk about + it's not your things it's a family things they were able to divorce him but they still with him till the last moment
Stop laying you all will never understand Quran because you have such as a darkness on your hearts if you want to do something don't bring it from Quran because i know it more that anyone of you don't let me Critic Christian because i'm very lazy but if you make me mad i will show you what you didn't see in Christian So please don't pass your limits don't see the Quran as a nrml book that you will understand and if you want me to prove you wrog in this (23:1-6) Allah here is talking about Belivers he say that they are who don't do sex with any one exept their wives ou husbands And what is you problem here ? exept if you want that they do it whith any one and every one
Q(70:29-30) Allah said a similar thing and he say that the others who do the opposet are those who pass their limits So I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS YOU PROBLEM HERE ? Jesus talk too in this things so don't let me bring you the Talk because it will be not good for all Christians
Can you change you name please 🙂 if you didn't i will make my name Jesus the looser 😀
Dear Ali Nabi,
I just wonder, a man from Afghan is still defending Islam, after it did to your country in the last 3 decades. Before Islam, we Indians know that Afghan is the land of Buddhism. From Mahabharatha, Kandhahar is the the Kingdom of Shakuni in the name of Ghandara. Though I am an Hindu by birth, I love Buddhism. And my religion never oppose if I learn/follow Buddhism.
Just think how your life changed before and after Islam.
Do you know how Afghans are in the art of architecture? Where are those gone?
I am not going to preach you, but you have to think what Islam bought you.
The discussion is about Islam and what Islam says about terrorism. The topic is not about Hinduism and terrorism in the context of Hindu scriptures. So attempting to compare is like saying, how does it matter if my clothes are dirty. His clothes are dirty too? The attempt to paint another religion as silly/ stupid/ hateful/ full of terrorism does not help Islam to become peaceful and merciful. If you wish, you can publish a separate blog on all Hinduism for all I and most Hindus care.
Forcing someone to accept a belief is not conversion but coercion. You would also become an apostate if someone threatened to cut your genitals off.
According to Allah he was a perfect Muslim.
Perfect people don't go around having sex with little girls.
You also have to remember that because of Mohammad, the Islamic age of reason and light had dawned – at least according to the sex maniac whom you follow.
@shabeer
I do not think your wish will be fulfilled by Ali.For your kind information my above post was not any copy paste ,but of course these are the teachings delivered by Buddha during his life time ,to his disciples and general people, who wish to tread the life of Dhamma.Can your master mad Mohammed think of these high quality thoughts (even Jesus ). Buddha was the fist person to proclaim;this apparent wold is formed out of atom and it has got the characteristics of manifestation ,sustenance and dissolution. He used the term "Kalpa"to refer atom.These statements of Buddha's were not based on any belief.He found this hard truth on experiential level.He discovered a technique to understand the underlying subtle reality ( the same is explained by me in my above three previous post) operates in this visible manifest world.He called it "Vipassana" .Today almost all parts of the Glob Vipassana is being taught free of cost .I have seen many Muslim participate these courses.These courses are compulsory for IIT and IIM courses.The corporate world too are conducting regular courses of vipassana for their executive.Arvind Kejriwal and Narendra Modi both are die hard Vipassana meditator ,so was Kiran Bedi.You might have seen them working 24/7 yet ,they are not exhausting ,it is the magic of Vipassana.It enhances your efficiency at work ,this is not joke it is fact ,it can cure various types of physical ailments (of late medical world has accepted that all deceases are psycho-somatic). Of course you will find perennial peace doing Vipassana,and above all it is a real way to Enlightenment.If you are in the vicinity of Bombay ,you can opt for a ten day course at the main center of Vipassana Dhammagiri,Igatpuri (Maharastra). Definitely you will come to know how weird and primitive Islam ;stands against Buddha's teaching .I hope you will give a chance to come out of a real misery.
ONE TIMES I ANSWERED U NEVER RESPOND THE LOGICAL/MORAL WAY ABOUT MY LINK,ASKING QUESTION AGAIN & AGAIN……………..I THINK ,IF U ASKING AGAIN THE SAME QUESTION ,I WILL BRING U TO THE NEAREST METAL HOSPITAL ,U'R REAL SOLUTION U WILL GOT FROM THERE(SHOK!!! TREATMENT)
I WILL TEACH U WHAT THE REAL RAPE :
Hindu God Vishnu raping Brinda(Vrinda) and this rape is celebrated by every hindu in their house as Tulsi Vivah or Tulsi Pooje …
This is an extract from Padma Purana . I know there are hindus who claim that purana is corrupted(but the question is why most hindus celebrate Tulsi vivah or Tulsi Pooje every year
A FORCED RAPE OF GOD ,CELEBRATING HINDU'S………..WHAT THE VULGAR PEOPLE R THEY? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Vivah and also celebrated in every hindu house as TULSI VIVAH (NOT TULSI RAPE).
Safiyah(R) & AYISHA(R) R THE WIFE OF THE PROPHET ,IS SEXUAL RELATION WITH WIFE IS PROHIBITED? THAT MEANS ACCORDING TO U'R THEORY U'R FATHER FORCED RAPE U'R MOTHER TO PRODUCED U,IS IT?
FIRST MY CHILD GO TO BRING THE PROOF FOR U'R CLAIM
proof needed for both :7 planets in the universe? & rape girl children……
I AM NOT A PERSON ANSWER SOME BRAIN DEAD PERSON PATHETIC COMMENTS……….
@slaveofprophet.
If you have Ali Sina's book, then please read it. Take your time, there's no rush.
Even if you will come to conclusion that it's utter gibberish, at least do make the attempt.
Ali Sina's greatest advantage in the debate is because he's familiar with the Quran.
Play the same game! Read Sina's book, and use that against him.
@Shabeer: "I AM READY FOR DEBATE WITH ALI SINA HERE"
Don't embarrass yourself any further.
@shabeer: In Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101, where "The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent."' and then after that "Some people said…"
Who were these "some people", those were not Muhammad's sayings and are what "some people" said equivalent to Muhammad's sayings?
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952 is not even about prohibiting child marriage.
You don't even understand the things you're posting.
MANSEHRA, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistani police arrested a teacher at a Quranic school and his two friends on charges of gang raping a college student in the country's northwest, alleging he filmed the attack and may have blackmailed other victims, authorities said Wednesday.//// Is this the result of mu's teachings?
Mohammed isn't like what you said + the picture is semblable to his poster because pictures reflect our perssonality
You are cretiking a brave man he is not like that one day you will know this
@Corrupted verses of Bible & Hiduism
Allah is testing us that we will believe in modern science or Quran which is given by himself Allah. We must only believe in Quran no matter how much it is against modern science to pass test set by all merciful & omniscient lord Allah for us.
@slaveofprophet
Muhammad was charlatan. He fooled you all muslims. Get out of this cult of lies and sex.
@slaveofprophet
Your divine Allah says Sun is flat, Earth can be spread out and laid flat like carpet on the ground, Earth is stationary and not revolving around the Sun.He says there are only 7 planets in the universe. Tell me why does your divine Allah not know about the natural world which he has created ?
@Non-believers Murdabad
As per divine religion Islam believers have all right over the woman of non-Muslims who have been won/captured during the war with non-Muslims. Prophet (PBUH) was not a thief he had done all his divine deeds publicly and with permission of Allah too. If Allah and society of Arabs had no objection for the prophet divine deeds who are you to object?
I just fall in with Shabbeer on this count. Please remove Sakat's copy-paste balderdash. Readers ought to have their own ideas, however silly they may seem to others rather than have something that's plagiarised and pilfered.
-SUMIT PAUL ([email protected])………Pl. carry my ID all the time.
@Shabeer, your lecher Muhammad raped Safiyah and Juwairiah for the sake of sexual gratification. He officially married 12 women. He had sex with many concubines and sex slaves. He lured for girl child Ayesha and kept raping her. He instructed his gang to rape women and sex slaves.
Why are you following this religion of sex ? Muhammad was charlatan. He fooled you all.
All hardcore Afghani Sunni Muslims had Hindu and Buddhist ancestors and they were peaceful till savage Muslim invaders came, attacked and converted those peace-loving Hindus and Buddhists to barbaric Muslims. Islam systematically severs the converts' ties with the past and makes them forget it (past) completely lest they go back to their original faith. Centuries of violent indoctrination made the Afghani Muslims as uncouth as the yokels of Arab peninsula. I don't say or suggest that Afghani Muslims must reclaim their ancestors' faiths (Hinduism/Buddhism…because all man-made religions are useless), but they must realise that Islam was forcibly imposed on them by the ruffians of the desert.
SUMIT PAUL ([email protected])……..Anyone can mail me…….I'm sacred of NONE.
@ Shabeer
Vedas are in Sanskrit language.Bring Sanskrit shlok.
@ Shabeer , Forget Bible and Christianity and answer my questions that I asked about your Quranic science(???).
@Shabeer, why did all-knowing,all-powerful Allah command Muhammad to rape girl children,women ?
@Shabeer,If your Allah is all-knowing then why did he say that there are only 7 planets in the universe?
REQUEST TO ALI SINNA:
PLZ DELETE THE COPY/PASTE GARBAGE FROM SAKAT………..OR PUBLIC PEOPLE SAYS U HAVE PARTIALITY BETWEEN MUSLIM /NON MUSLIM ,THAT IS U DELETE MY POST /BUT ALLOW SAKAT…………….
Sakat, are you a neo-Buddhist or already a Buddhist? Though your Buddhism may appear to be quite rational to those who don't use their brains, it's also an 'ism', a doctrine like any other ideology. How's it different from Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and all other organised man-made faiths? Do you know, Buddha's enlightenment was his enlightenment, not yours. It was a subjective enlightenment, not an objective one. Tomorrow, you can also claim to be enlightened. Who's going to argue with you as to whether or not you're an enlightened individual. It's time, mankind shelved all this sugary or savage spirituality of all bogus religions and their so-called prophets and thought of a new world order sans god and religion.
-SUMIT PAUL ([email protected])……….Argue with me. I'm sacred of NONE
THEN WHO?
‘St. Paul’ had been the one who had actively laboured to destroy
Jesus as well as the ideals that he propagated (Acts of the Apostles
9:1, 26:10, 8:1)
they
heard the sound but did not see anyone. Saul got up from the
ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So
they led him by the hand into Damascus. For three days>>> he was
blind<<<<, and did not eat or drink anything.” (Acts of the Apostles
9:3-9)
Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the
Law or the prophets” (Mathew 5:17)
Paul had written, “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
Law.” (Galatians 3:13)
“On the eighth
day, when it was time to circumcise him …..” (Luke 2:21) Jesus
had never instructed anyone against the circumcision. This had been
for the simple reason that he had never received such a revelation in
the first place. But observe what Paul says: “…. if you let yourselves
be circumcised Christ will be of no value to you at all.” (Galatians
5:2).
. Ali Nabi, you seem to be a Sunni fanatic who considers even the followers of other Islamic sects to be heretics (getting my English? I can reply to you in Arabic/Pashto, but then majority of English speaking readers won't understand). Your religion (Islam) is a bane to mankind. It's a curse to the world. Mark my words, your Islam will be wiped out from the face of the earth, paving the way for other religions to follow suit.
-SUMIT PAUL ([email protected])……..Mail me. I'm sacred of NONE.
You're right, Mr Sina. This is the problem with ALL Muslims. These blockheads lack intelligence and when they can't argue with you, they resort to violence and justify it by quoting a silly verse from Qura'n or a dubious teaching of their beloved Muhammad, who's unanimously the worst creature ever to have disgraced the earth. Muslim scholar and exegete Al-Tabari cadidly called Muhammad a womaniser in his biography of this rank scoundrel. Mind you, he stated this fact more than a millennium ago! I'm eagerly waiting for the day when Islam will be expunged from the face of the earth, followed by all man-made useless religions and also god, mankind's biggest hoax. We ALL will be truly evolved when there'll be no religion and god, two fabrications that have caused unthinkable harm to humanity.
-SUMIT PAUL, Poona
Yes, very true indeed !
I feel you would be relieved of slavery.
Please read with an open mind and don't be biased, you read it as if you are reading about someone unknown and then come to a fair decision.
I think you realise(know) that Islam is not defendable, but you want to live in ignorance. There is nothing wrong in accepting the truth, and even anyone with full knowledge of Islam would try to cover it with lies. I'm sure that you have come across many absurd teachings which you cannot ignore, your mind is full of question marks, but I know that you would not accept the fact. You are in a quicksand and there are so many helping hands to get you out of that (Islam).
Islam = Arab imperialism. It had conquered many, many countries by force.
@Ali …. he improved woman rights.
Bukhari 72:715 A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.
"Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'"
If he had so much love for Khadija, he would never have married other women. He was a sex starved guy and his wives did not have any respect for him.
@Sakat your obvious handle of Buddhism is deep. Does your understanding go deeper than information? Do you have knowledge of reality or just information about reality? Buddha came into God Consciousness. he went behind the curtain to see the truth or knowledge of what is real. Jesus has been the only one to reach the pinnacle, but what he and these other true prophets have given us is that we ALL will get to that point in our journey. The agony is in those that wait. Suffering comes form this.
Everything you sense is not real and everything you cannot sense is real. That is the deception of our senses. That is the Truth. All the universe is an illusion and stillness is the only thing real. You see everything comes from God's design and everything goes back to God's stillness to be reborn again in an continuous cycle forever.
Jesus told us that there will be many false prophets and that you will know them by their fruits. The fruits of muslims are of the poisoned kind. Muhammad and his follows seem more like the Jim Jones or Jeffers or Koresh type cults that enslave instead of free. Islam seems to be the anti-Christ. They seem to believe in all things that are against life. They seem to be dedicated to death. That would be an antichrist, no? From all evidence presented, it is obvious to see that muhammad was satan and that his followers are minions of satan. The worst part is they think they are NOT!!! Funny really to be so lost. God always creates balance and the muslim killing and destruction won't last long. They are dying out as we post. I know more muslims leaving all the time, disgusted by the craziness written in that devil book, quran.
This fool that wrote that so called review is an idiot. He indicates his low level of intelligence by his assertions. It's a comedy piece. He makes a great worthless comedian. Ali is an adult and this chameleon_x is a spoiled child, no doubt coddled and babied by his mommy.
Muhammad 'loved' Khadija more than the other wives because it was he money which he squandered on his insanity. The woman was married twice before and had children from those marriages. There is no mention of Muhammad taking care of those children after the death of their mother. A hadith has it that when one of Khadija's daughters went to Muhammad for money, a companion of his beat her for asking Muhammad for what he did not have. The treatment was reported to Muhammad who got very amused with what was done to someone who was supposedly his step-daughter. If Muhammad truly loved his first wife, why did he refuse to take care of his children none of whom became 'a close companion' or even an ' ansar' of his?
[Child marriage was common during those days (7th century) get over it] Did he come to follow the pagan ways or to change them?
dear Sakat, you can continue your sayings about Buddhism, it is very interesting.
@Abeid
//Even when he married 12 times more he still loved khadija more than any other wife//
Perhaps he did. I was answering your question in the light of the contrast between his first marriage and that to Aisha which you yourself raised. The point wasn't about whether he loved Khadija or not. Second if he loved Khadija more than his other wives then clearly it was wrong. Why marry women if you aren't going to love them!!
//as he told them point black when his other wives were backbiting her especially Aisha//
So may be he said that especially because his young wives were backbiting. Nothing extra-ordinary in that!!
//he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and from her I had children."//
Which completes the circle. He loved Khadija because she bore him children!! As for others he couldn't impregnate them. Off course this was in response to his own lack of virility (which is not unexpected given that he was past 50 when he got into these marriages)
Dear Sakat i have been reading about Buddhism for almost eight years. indeed Buddha was a great philosopher and i like that he wanted his followers to criticize him, and also that he didn't wanted his flowers to blindly follow him. he had an agnostic worldview and sometimes i wonder where the Europe would have been if the religion was Buddhism instead of Christianity. that being said what i want to say is that Prophet Muhammad did many great things and we have to not see it from one side or direction. Buddhism despite its greatness has the same religion formula as Islam and other religions. it is based on fear. people are scared not have bad karma. but i agree with you it is amazing that a religion could be so rational as Buddhism.
continued………..
Note: the readers are requested to abandon the last para in the above post and to pickup the same here in this post to avoid any confusion as to the understanding of entire post in its totality
What causes attachment?How does it arise?Analyzing his own nature,the Buddha found that it develops because of the momentary mental reactions of liking and disliking. The brief, unconscious reactions of the mind are repeated and intensified moment after moment, growing into powerful attractions and repulsions, into all our attachments. Attachment is merely the developed form of the fleeing reaction.This is the immediate cause of suffering.
What causes reactions of liking and disliking?.Looking deeper he saw that they occur because of sensation. We feel a pleasant sensation and start liking it ;we feel an unpleasant sensation and start disliking it.
Now why these sensations? What causes them? Examining still further within himself he saw that they arise because of contact ;contact of the eye with a vision ;contact of the ear with a sound ;contact of the nose with an odour ,contact of the tongue with a taste ;contact of the body with something tangible ,contact of the mind with any thought ,emotion ,idea ,imagination ,or memory.Through the five physical senses and the mind we experience the world.Whenever an object or phenomenon contacts any of these six bases of experience ,a sensation is produced ,pleasant or unpleasant.
And why does contact occur in the first place? The Buddha saw that because of the existence of the six sensory bases- the five physical senses and the mind –contacts is bound to occur. The world is full of countless phenomena: sights, sounds, odor, flavours, textures, various thoughts and emotions. So long as our receivers are functioning, contacts are inevitable.
Then why do the six sensory bases exist? Because they are essential aspects of the flow of mind and matter. And why this flow of mind and matter? What causes it to occur? The Buddha understood that the process arises because of consciousness, the act of cognition which separates the world into the knower and the known, subject and object, “I” and “other.” From this separation results identity,”birth.”Every moment consciousness arises and assumes a specific mental and physical form.. In the next moment again,consciousness takes a slightly different from . Throughout one’s existence, consciousness flows and changes.At last comes death, but consciousness does not stop there; without any interval, in the next moment, it assumes a new form. From one existence to the next,life after life ,the flow of consciousness continues.
Then what causes this flow of consciousness ? He saw that it arises because of reaction. The mind is constantly reacting,and every reaction gives impetus to the flow of consciousness so that it continues to the next moment. The stronger a reaction, the greater the impetus that it gives.The slight reaction of one moment sustains the flow of conscisousness only for a moment. But if that momentaory reaction of liking and disliking intensifies into craving or aversion, it gains in streangth and sustains the flow of consciousness for many moments, for minutes, for hours. And if the reaction of craving and aversion intensifyies still further, it sustains the flow for days, for months, perhaps for years. And if throughout life one keeps repeating and intensifying certain reactions, they develop a strength sufficient to sustain the flow of consciousness not only from one moment to the next, from one day to the next ,from one year to the next,but from one life to the next.
And what causes these reactions? Observing at the deepest level of reality, he understood that reaction occurs because of ignorance.We are unaware of the fact that we react, and unaware of the real nature of what we react to. We are ignorant of the impermanent, impersonal nature of our existence and ignorant that attachment to it brings nothing but suffering. Not knowing our real nature, we react blindly.Not even knowing that we have reacted, we persist in our blind reactions and allow them to intensify. Thus we become imprisoned in the habit of reacting,because of ignorance.
This is how the Wheel of Suffering starts turning :
If ignorance arises,reaction occurs;
If reaction arises,consciousness occurs;
If consciousness arises,mind-and-matter occur;
If mind-and-matter arise,the six senses occur;
If the six senses arise,contact occurs;
If contact arises,sensation occurs;
If sensation arises,craving and aversion occur;
If craving and aversion arise ,attachment occurs;
If attachment arises,the process of becoming occurs;
If the process of becoming arises,birth occurs;
If birth arises, decay and death occur,together with sorrow ,lamentation,physical and mental suffering ,and tribulations.
Thus arises this entire mass of suffering.
By this chain of cause and effect – conditioning arising _we have been brought into our present state of existence and face a future of suffering.
to be continued………
@ Ali Nabi
Have you ever tried to know what was the religion or way of life of the people of Afghanistan,before it is being infected with this damn ,useless,ugly and most primitive religion of robbers called Islam. Let me make you aware about the religion;most wonderful ,practically proven ,based on absolute truth and he who follows it really find peace in him as well share it in the society and ,that religion/way of life is called BUDDHISM.
Once Afghanistan was the seat of Buddhism.Buddhism flourished in Afghanistan during the reign of Kushan dynasty and also under Indo Greak dynasty .The Bamiyan Buddhas were carved out from the rocks in the Bamiyan province by the dedicated monks.You should feel proud ,because these monks were your ancestors and not this ugly Arab primitive people of whom this mad Mohammed was the leader .
On the auspicious day of Buddha purnima falls on this 14th May of 2014,i would like to bring to your knowledge the profound teachings of the great master ,which are based on practical proofs and not here-take of any Gabreals rhetoric's to Mad Mohammed of Medina.
The Buddhist world consider this full moon day as auspicious ,because upon this day the great master was born under the Bodhi tree ,he reached enlightenment on this very day under a Bodhi tree and he left this world on this same day again under a Bhodhi tree. Saluting his thy lotus feet here i put his preaching in brief to make a distinction as to the preachings of 7th century mad Mohammed and the propound teachings of this 6th century B.C great reformer ,philosopher ,scientist and spiritual master called Gautam the Buddha.
The truth of suffering ,”the Buddha said, “must be explored to its end.” On the night that he was to attain enlightenment, he sat down with the determination not to rise until he had understood how suffering originates and how it can be eradicated.
Clearly ,he saw ,suffering exists.This is an inescapable fact,no matter how unpalatable it may be. Suffering begins with the beginning of life.We have no conscious recollection of existence within the confines of the womb,but the common experience is that we emerge from it crying.Birth is great trauma.
Having started life, we are all bound to encounter the sufferings of sickness and old age. Yet no matter how sick we may be,no matter how decayed and decrepit, none of us wants to die, because death is a great misery.
Every living creature must face all these sufferings And as we pass through life, we are bound to encounter other sufferings,various types of physical or mental pain. We become involved with the unpleasant and separated from the pleasant.We fail to get what we want,instead we get what we do not want.All these situations are suffering.
These instances of suffering are really apparent to anyone who thinks about it deeply. But the Buddha was not to be satisfied with the limited explanations of the intellect. He continued probing within himself to experience the real nature of suffering,and he found that “attachment’ to the five aggregates is suffering.“ At a very deep level, suffering is the inordinate attachment that each one of us has developed toward this mind, with its cognition's,perceptions,sensations, and reactions. People cling strongly to their identity_their mental and physical being _when actually there are only evolving processes.This clinging to an unreal idea of oneself,to something that fact is constantly changing,is suffering.
What causes attachment?How does it arise?Analyzing his own nature,the Buddha found that it develops because of the momentary mental reactions of liking and disliking. The brief, unconscious reactions of the mind are repeated and intensified moment after moment, growing into powerful attractions and repulsions, into all our attachments. Attachment is merely the developed form of the fleeing reaction.This is the immediate cause of suffering.
If craving and aversion arise ,attachment occurs;
If attachment arises,the process of becoming occurs;
If the process of becoming arises,birth occurs;
If birth arises, decay and death occur,together with sorrow ,lamentation,physical and mental suffering ,and tribulations.
Thus arises this entire mass of suffering.
By this chain of cause and effect – conditioning arising _we have been brought into our present state of existence and face a future of suffering.
to be continued……..
@Shabeer
You said forceful conversion is not allowed in Islam but your own forefathers were forced to convert to Islam by barbaric Arabian intruders.
World Peace for Muslims? hahaha, Kakaka ! The Muslims are killing each other in their own backyards in the ME. The infidels are selling them bombs, guns and grenades so that they can finish off one another faster . Then you can achieve World Peace finally. Wahahaha!
I've been following Ali Sina's tweets with Chameleon_X . After all the chest pounding by this clown Chameleon_X and all he came up with, was this long drawn out childish drivels. How pathetic.
Allah is not a looser but a non existing entity created by Mo to control his band of bandits.
@Dr. Sina
Muhammad's gang intruded Afaganistan and converted Afagani people by raping Afagani women, killing children,butchering Afagani men in medieval age. We pity these forcefully converted Afagani muslims.
@ Satanic Verses
I agree with you. Muhammad was rapist and he encouraged his gang to intrude India and they(gang) raped Shabeer and slaveofprohet's female ancestors brutally to convert them to Islam forcefully.
MUHAMMAD,THE RAPIST : This practice of raping women were practiced Islam's very own prophet Muhammad in his life.on two occasions,he married women and rapd them for the sale of sexual gratification only.Those victims were Safiayah and Juwairiah.
Dear Alisina, you only see things from one side. it is useless to argue with you. you like Saddam like to blame everything bad on someone you hate. Prophet Muhammad did many great things and he did some mistakes as well after all we are all human beings. He united his people,he improved woman rights, he told us to help the poor. He learn us that we are all human beings and we are all equal. Dear Alisina politics does not work like magic, you can not expect from a man at that time to know our modern values. I beg you to see things from two sides. Please see also many good tings that our prophet did. there is no point in arguing with you because you are one sided and the hate makes you blind like Saddam. Islam is now a part of Iranian identity it whatever you hate it or not. it is like you attacking your own culture and values. Please stop these sickness and think about how you can reform Islam instead of spreading hate about Islam. when you say that Islam cant be reformed but how about the Ahmadis, Sufis and others. Long live our beloved prophet Muhammad and shame on you haters who are jealous of him. May his dream of World Peace became a reality one day inshallah. sorry for my bad English. hope i get a reply from you brother Alisina.
RAPE IN ISLAM QURAN: 23:1-6 and 70:29-30
Successful indeed are the believers,who are humble in their prayers and who keep aloof from what is vain and who are givers of poor rate and guard their private parts except before their mates or those whom their right hands(sex slaves),for surely are not blamable.
Guarding private parts is denotative of abstaining from sexual activities.The Quran points out successful believers are those who are indulging in sexual activities with innumerable wives and sex slaves.
RAPE IN ISLAM :There are several verses in Quran which give the green light to rape and other sexual activities
against women.
Quran 4:24 Also women already married except those whom your right hand possess(sex slaves) .Thus Allah ordained for you . All others are lawful,provided you seek them from your property,desiring chasity,not fornication.so with those among you have enjoyed,give them their required due,but if you agree mutually after the requirement ,there is no sin on you, surely Allah is ever all-knowing,all-wise.
SAUDI ARABIANS ARE BRUTAL RAPISTS.CHECK OUT THIS LINK : http://www.womanstats.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/the-high-...
To Slave , Shabeer.& Abied .
If ordinary people do that never mind ,we can't accuse any one of that time for pedophilia .
But why? your mind block ,Mohammed claims to be a prophet of allah (the perfect man who walked on the face of the earth ),the greatest among all gods.
And why the greater god cannot think of himself or his prophet ahead of time ,or in the modern days people will make fun of them .
I feel myself silly arguing with you guys . Please use your brains and do not treat it as your enemy .
Time and again many people had argued with you on the same matter ,so please all your justification is of no use . So think rationally and read Ali Sina's book .
@Shabeer
May be you are right to point out modern pedophiles. Muhammad was 7th century pedophile who kept raping 9 year old Ayesha. Modern pedophiles are imprisoned for their crimes but you worship 7 th century pedophile. According to Shariyat pedophile Muhammad should be executed.
Even when he married 12 times more he still loved khadija more than any other wife as he told them point black when his other wives were backbiting her especially Aisha and here is the proof.
Narrated 'Aisha: I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija though I did not see her, but the Prophet used to mention her very often, and when ever he slaughtered a sheep, he would cut its parts and send them to the women friends of Khadija. When I sometimes said to him, "(You treat Khadija in such a way) as if there is no woman on earth except Khadija," he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and from her I had children."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 166
Now you can see why khadija (r.a) was special to her.
@slaveofprophet
If you think you are more intelligent than Shabeer then debate with me and answer my questions. Don't escape like chicken-hearted man.
Let me tell you many young muslims visit this website daily. They are optimistic about you and knowledge of the natural world and the make of universe of Muhammad. Prove them that Islam is scientifically proven religion so that they can't renounce Islam.
@Shabeer
First debate with me. Let me see your Allah is really all knowing,all powerful being OR one of the best liar. Answer my all questions.
Ali Sina
I briefly browsed that link you gave.Instead of providing refutations,the author engages in serial ad hominem attacks.That really exposes muslims' juvenile mindsets,emotional immaturity and intellectual disabilities.They cannot attack the argument,so they attack the arguer.
shame on them.
Muhammad's crimes are irrefutable because he's considered by muslims to be their infallible leader.whatever Muhammad did and said,is universally accepted without question.
"You can't refute a negative"
Standard dodge.Ali Sina has provided evidence for a positive claim regarding Muhammad and his quran.The onus is for muslims now to disprove the positive claims using counter evidence.
It's obvious,muslims are terrified to assume burdern of proof as well as the burden of rebuttal,simply because they have no proof and neither do they have any valid deductive arguments that could show islam adheres to reason and logic.
@Shabeer
Debate on serious issue is not a child play. Firstly, you do not have enough knowledge of Islam. If you think only throwing copy paste stuff here enough to be scholar of Islam then you are living in fools paradise. You have already humiliated the Muslims a lot. Sometimes I think how can you be so shameless being a believer in prophet. Shameless people like you do not do even Namaj of 5 times.
And why are you writing in capital letters? I think you have not got the education above 5th standard.
14: 52. This (Qur'ân) is a Message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilâh (God – Allah) – (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and that men of understanding may take heed.
16: 35…….Are the Messengers charged with anything but to convey clearly the Message?
16: 37. If you (O Muhammad SAW) covet for their guidance, then verily Allah guides not those whom He makes to go astray (or none can guide him whom Allah sends astray). And they will have no helpers.
16: 82. Then, if they turn away, your duty (O Muhammad SAW) is only to convey (the Message) in a clear way.
17: 105. And with truth We have sent it down (i.e. the Qur'ân), and with truth it has descended. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as nothing but a bearer of glad tidings (of Paradise, for those who follow your Message of Islamic Monotheism), and a Warner (of Hell-fire for those who refuse to follow your Message of Islamic Monotheism).
18:29 Say: ‘The truth is from your Lord.’ Let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it).
SOME CRIMINALS ACTIVITIES CANNOT TO BE CONSIDER AS RELIGION,WORLD MUSLIM HATE THEM……
FORCED CONVERSION PROHIBITED:
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.
2: 272. Not upon you (Muhammad SAW) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.
4:28 “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).
5: 92. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or Al¬Ansâb, or Al¬Azlâm, etc.) and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger's duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.
I AM READY FOR DEBATE WITH ALI SINA HERE ABOUT TOPIC HE MENTIONED ABOVE……………..
2 THINGS REQUIRED FOR THE MORAL DEBATE 1) VALID EVIDENCE 2)LOGICAL REASONS
IF SINA READY FOR IT,WE CAN START HERE…………..
@Abeid
//why dont you talk about khadijas marriage who was 40 years old and our prophet was 25 years old//
Yes, it should also be highlighted. A marriage of convenience for both, it brought all the riches of the old dowager right into Muhammad's lap. He really had to be a foolish to invoke her wrath by marrying again while she was alive. You should really give it a thought why a young man of 25, when one is expected of vigour, first married a woman 15 year older than him, then remained loyal to the marriage for more than 2 decades even while he had attained his alleged enlightenment, and then in his last 12-13 years after the demise of Khadija married 12 times more.
WHO R ALLOWED CHILD SEX:
HINDUISM:
Baudhayana:Prasna 4:Adhyaya1
11. Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty
Sacred Laws of Arya:Gautama 18:21. A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty
22.He who neglects it, commits sin
23.Some (declare, that a girl shall be given in marriage) before she wears clothes.
1000 child sex slaves
Mahabharata 1:CCXXII And he of eyes like lotus-petals also gave unto them a thousand damsels well-skilled in assisting at bathing and at drinking, young in years and virgins all before their first-season, well-attired and of excellent complexion, each wearing a hundred pieces of gold around her neck, of skins perfectly polished, decked with every ornament, and well-skilled in every kind of personal service.
JEW:
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
@Ali Sina
I have downloaded your book. I Assure you can not convert my religion. I will read your book very attentively.
ISLAM PROHIBIT CHILD MARRIAGE:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said, ">>>>It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)<<<<. I said, "A virgin feels shy." The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent." Some people said, "If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then >>>>she attains the age of puberty and agrees to marry him <<<<<and the judge accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage."
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The child of adultery is worst of the three.
Abeid Bhai,
Its nice to see courage for your wish to read Ali's book, But please if you are reading then keep aside ur love and respect for ur faith and ur prophet. read it rationally as a biography of x,y,z. once you finish it bring back the same love and respect.
I am also telling a litmus test for checking if u read it in right mind or not…
If ur love for Muhammed is able to come back after finishing book den u definitely read it will close mind and did not fill the prerequisite condition i told.
If ur love dont come back … then cheers… u r liberated… though it might take time and flip-flops in between… but no force in world can prevent ur liberation.
@slaveofprophet
I heard that every conversion, no matter how brutal and forceful it is.. creates a pleasant tickling ripples in hearts of shameless Muslim's. You confirmed the fact.
Even this brutal act cant make you to see the evil of Islam.. rather ur heart is shamelessly singing zingle bell's in praise of the forced conversion of those helpless and choice less girls.
Your sister should be kidnapped and converted to Christianity or other faith on gun point… they you will be able to feel empathy with those helpless girls.
After seeing people like you I am sure Muhammed was mentally sick man, Quran is a virus, Islam is a disease, and and all infected muslims are extended replica of sick Muhammed.
"Why did these kidnapped girls accept Islam and wore Hijab if Islam is so much bad religion"?
Because they would have been killed by the terrorists if they refused to accept Muhammadanism
@Sam Sudhi
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not pedophile. He only followed customs & rituals of his time. In those days marriage of 60-90 years old man with 5-10 years old girls was common practice. Our prophet did not do anything wrong.
Those Christian girls are forced to convert under the barrel of the gun, u fool. I only see ten of thousads of Muslims are dying rapidly in the wars and chaos in the ME. And u said Islam is spreading rapidly ? Go and see the TV news.
How many times are you going to talk about aisha marriage to our prophet (s.a.w) why dont you talk about khadijas marriage who was 40 years old and our prophet was 25 years old and he never married again until she died.Child marriage was common during those days (7th century) get over it.My email address is [email protected] i would like to read your book about our beloved prophet and i promise i will read it and reply back promptly.
@Ali Sina
How much allegations you put on our prophet (PBUH) but Islam is spreading rapidly and believers in prophet increasing. Recently, even the girls who are claimed to be kidnapped by Islamic religious group Boko Haram have accepted Islam and prophet as last messenger. Why did these kidnapped girls accept Islam and wore Hijab if Islam is so much bad religion?
Now a days when ever I hear a news of pedophiles being arrested or what ever news about pedophiles appear in the
TV or newspaper immediately Mohammed & his slaves name comes into my mind .