Who Is Responsible for The Norwagian Massacre?
hello there Ali and your companions at faithfreedom.org
I am not going to beg you to take down your website or challenge you to anything. I would like to say that i do think you need a life. You say that your website isn’t about islamic propaganda and that your forums are about building bridges of understanding however, i find it ironic that everything on your site is teaching everyone who visits it to hate islam. Do you have your intentions all muddled up???. Your intentions are to turn everyone against Islam because Islam wasn’t
the right religion for YOU, you and Wafa Sultan were named as Brevik’s heroes…. Your website helped him make the decision to kill innocent human biengs. Now doesn’t that say something to you???
So you used to be a muslim..who cares. many people enter and leave religions everyday .Did anyone put a gun to your head when you decided to leave Islam? I think somewhere inside you is a really nice guy but it’s too bad that your channeling your energy in the wrong direction, the direction to hate and not to peace. Even though you think you are doing something positive, you don’t see it, but you are actually making people hate islam more and more by your hate filled propaganda. so how is that building bridges of understanding?? look, i say each to their own and no one can force anyone to do something they don’t want to, however, i don’t see what you are going to achieve from your website, what you are setting out to do will only cause more hatred towards others. You need to get out more instead of focusing on hate and bringing down an entire religion. sad very sad indeed.
peace out brother
When I say I want understanding and build bridges I mean just that. Understanding means learning the truth, not denying it and hiding it. It means confronting the problem, not ignoring it and hoping that it will go away by its own. Understanding means to make the non-Muslims realize that Muslims are victims of a lie and not genetically evil. Muslims become evil to the extent that they believe in Muhammad. Understanding comes with revealing the truth, not with masquerading the truth.
Building bridges means making Muslims realize that they are first and foremost humans and their duty is to humanity and not at a psychopath, mass murderer. What unites us is our humanity. Muslims, just like anyone else, must realize that anything that stands between them and the rest of mankind is evil and must be abandoned. Beliefs that divide us are not from God. Islam is from a sick mind. It divides mankind and promotes hate.
Non-Muslims don’t believe in anything like that. They don’t have a doctrine that tells them that Muslims are the worst creatures in the sight of God and that they should not befriend them, associate with them, but must hate them. Muslims do. The essence of Islam is al wala’ wal bara’ – a truly diabolic doctrine of hate. These teachings don’t come from misguided mullahs, but from the Quran. Therefore, as long as Muslims believe in Islam they cannot get away from hatred.
Andres Behring Breivik may have considered Wafa and me as heroes, but he did not follow what we preach. I have repeatedly said that this war must be won on an ideological ground not with warfare. Our goal must be to win our enemy as a friend. No bullet has to be fired and no blood has to be shed. We will overcome our enemy when he overcomes his hate. We’ll be both victorious. The vanquished will be the enmity itself. This is the victory we seek.
Breivik is a disturbed man. Those who knew him have said he had a gigantic ego. He, like Muhammad, Hitler, Stalin and other insane men of history suffers from narcissism. If he was emotionally sane and had he paid attention to what we say, he would never have committed this dastardly crime. We need to spread our message more vigorously to stop future Breiviks.
For every action there is a reaction. When you hit someone, again and again, eventually he will hit you back. Muslims have attacked and killed the non-Muslims in many countries and they are increasing their violence. It would be foolhardy to think their continuous assaults will remain uncontested forever. Their victims are reacting and responding to their violence with violence. Remember that the crusades were a reaction to jihad. When in 2002 Gujarat Hindus rioted, killed the Muslims, and burned their mosques and business, it was because Muslims had burned a train of Hindu pilgrims killing nearly 80 women and children.
Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country, has seen tens of thousands die in the violence between Christians and Muslims since it gained independence from Britain in 1960. While members of the two faiths have perpetrated atrocities against each other, we must not forget the fact that Muslims started this violence and Christians reacted to it.
People in countries under attack by Muslims are becoming radicalized. This radicalization is not because Wafa Sultan and I say Islam is evil. They are becoming radicalized in response to Islamic violence.
It is in these crucial times that that voices of reason must prevail. On one hand Muslims are transforming the non-Muslim countries into slums and warzones. They refuse to integrate. They build ghettos and no-go zones for the locals, including the police. They assault non-Muslims, rape their women and try to impose their Islamic way on their hosts. On the other hand their leftist allies are aiding them. Together they work to destroy the western civilization. There is a limit to forbearance. Muslims interpret tolerance as sign of weakness and will escalate their violence. It is only natural for their victims to react. So far the violence in Europe has been one sided – perpetrated by Muslims. Once it becomes reciprocal blood will run in the streets and Muslims will be the losers.
Europe is reacting and some of that reaction is not pleasant. CBS News reported,
In Bulgaria support for far-right Atakpa party is increasing. In the spring of 2011 the angry mob hurled stones at Muslims gathered for prayer.
In France, the far-right Front National party is gaining momentum and its leader, Marine Le Pen is considered a threat in France’s 2012 presidential election. In December 2010, one thousand people attended a conference held in Paris described as the birth of a pan-European anti-Islam movement.
In fall of 2010, German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented that multiculturalism has “utterly failed.” Her remarks followed the publication of a book by Thilo Sarrazin that argued that immigration was bringing about Germany’s demise. There is a growing anti-Islam sentiment in Germany.
In Greece racial tension is rising as the country is literally invaded by an unsupportable immigrant population from Muslim countries. Far-right parties have gained support and Muslim immigrants have been targets of violence.
In Hungary‘s 2010 national elections, nearly a quarter of young voters supported the racist, far-right party Jobbik.
In Netherlands the anti-Islam sentiment is rapidly growing. Fortunately the Dutch can count with a leader like Geert Wilders who understands the nature of the problem and how to deal with it. Wilders has called Norway’s Breivik a “sick psychopath.” In 2010’s Dutch national elections, Wilder’s Freedom Party more than doubled its support, becoming the third largest party in government. The current Dutch government counts on the Freedom Party for its majority.
In Russia violent nationalism has been growing since the fall of the Soviet Union. For the most part, it shows itself in the form of attacks on immigrants and people from Russia’s troubled Caucasus region. But nationalists have also taken responsibility for major attacks, including the 2009 bombing of the Nevsky Express train from Moscow to Saint Petersburg, which claimed 27 lives. Each year, the far-right holds a rally in Moscow, which draws thousands of nationalists and skinheads.
In Sweden the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats won 5.7 percent of the vote in 2010 elections and, for the first time, seats in the parliament. Although the party’s success was expected to be short lived, a botched terrorist attack in central Stockholm gave new impetus to Sweden’s far-right, anti-Islam groups.
In UK, the English Defence League (EDL) is the latest in a line of anti-Islam parties to surface in England. Unlike the National Front which is overtly anti-Semitic and racist, the EDL claims it is just against Muslim extremism, Sharia law and greater Muslim immigration.
The EDL organized its first demonstration in Luton, in response to a protest against troops returning from Afghanistan by the Muslim extremist group al-Muhajiroun. EDL has had many confrontations with Muslim jihadist, which is expected to increase and result in more violence.
The tolerant Europe is rapidly becoming restless and intolerant. If this sentiment is not harnessed and directed as in Netherlands, it will manifest itself as racism and xenophobia, as it in Bulgaria, Hungary and Russia.
It would be a grave mistake to see this anger as anything other than a reaction to Islamic invasion, and it would be foolish to try to suppress it. This reaction is legitimate and natural. It won’t go away. Suppressing it will make it explode. I predicted this ten years ago. Europeans are sensing the threat of Islam. Muslims have been very clear in stating their intent, which is to subdue and to dominate their hosts and even to rape their women.
As you can hear in the above video, Muslims are pormissing to rape the women of their host countries after taking over those countries and as the following picture shows, they are giving us a glimps of the things to come.
So you think none of these make the none-Muslims angry, but they become angry only because I say Muslims do these things because Muhammad told them so?
Instead of blaming the reaction we have to look into its cause. The cause of this intolerance is Islam and the stubborn denial of the leftist-controlled media and multiculturalist governments. Denial will only aggravate the problem. I am not against multiculturalism, but Islam is not a cultur any more than fascism, communism, and Nazism are.
The problem is Islam. Islam cannot be reformed, it cannot be moderated and it cannot coexist with any other ideology. The problem is caused by Muslims, and their determination to dominate the world – a message that they are delivering, not so subtly, but loudly and clearly. (Watch the above video.)
Islam is cancer. It must be stopped. There are two ways to stop a cancer: prevention or surgery. Wafa and I propose prevention. If our message is ignored this cancer will grow and there will be more violence. We cannot suppress the reaction. We can only eliminate its cause. If time is wasted, surgery may become inevitable, which means bloodshed at a scale never witnessed by our generation.
We still have time to stop this madness. We can ban the Sharia, shut down the mosques, send the radical Muslims back to where they or their parents/grandparents came from, and declare Islam illegal. We can give Muslims two choices: Integrate or “demigrate.” Leave alone your dictionary. I made this word up. By it I mean the reversal of immigration. Muslims should be sent back to where they came from. This is prevention. If we do nothing, if we allow them to grow and procreate in non-Muslim countries and infest them with their Islamic barbarity, radicalization of non-Muslims will be inevitable.
This anger is not caused by me. It is caused by Muslims. All I maybe able to do is try to channel it so it does not become violent. I can make people realize that Muslims are victims and the enemy is Islam. I’ts an ideology that we are fighting aginst, not people. This fight must be fought with pen, not with bullets. As Zoroaster said, we fight darkness with light. We don’t raise a sword against it. We must decisively confront this evil cult and uproot it. We must help Muslims to see the lies of Muhammad so they can leave his demonic cult. If they refuse, we must kick them out. If you want to worship Satan go back to your hell hole where you came from. Once the world stands up against Muslims, most of them will leave Islam. Remember how Islam grew in the first place – with violence, through force. We should shun violence, but we should also avoid appeasement. Muslims interpret appeasement as weakness. They understand strength. This is what Geert Wilders stands for and as long as he sticks to this policy he will have my full support. Breivik did not listen to what we say. He became part of the proplem. And if you try to silence me there will be more Breiviks. Whereas if you spread this message we will have more Wilders. That is why this message is so curcial for the peace in the world. Without it there will be more violence and eventually a civil war in which Muslims will lose. This insanity must be prevented and I am the one who is doing something to stop it, while you and your leftist allies are making it happen.
We don’t want Islam. Go and practice it in your own Islamic countries. You have already destroyed over fifty countries and reduced them into mad houses where barbarity reigns. You can’t live in Islamic countries. You escape and come here to the west, but you bring alone your Islamic disease. If you want to come, leave your disease behind.
If you want to be here, become part of our world. Abandon your hate and join us as fellow human. If you can’t get rid of it, stay away from us. If your insanity is stronger than your humanity, get out. Get out of these lands and go back to where you came from.
It is really terrifying to see the massacre and the slaying of innocent beings every now and then…and we never stop to wonder when will be the next target. They were so deeply embed into this ideology that they just found themselves lost to that world, in that sense of the word, and by doing so dragging all those helpless innocent beings with them. It is as though they were under a spell or some kind of evil spirit coaxing them and given them power, zeal and courage to do this destruction. I can tell you that these people are under damnation setting themselves on the wrong path to perdition because they've been lied to and was willing co-partner with the evil one.
We know who is speaking the truth and who is speaking a lie or so concording a lie. We're the spectators watching as in a circus. We have human brain machines to help us think and to discern. We're not taking sides but stand on the principal of truth. This is what it shall be and is all about. Nothing is much more of value than truth.
Yes, United States of America was founded upon Biblical Values. It should by right a Christian nation.
This is exactly…
Ali Sina was just exposing the truth about the Koran according to its exact context in most of his debates. in this site. He wasn't exaggerating or making up his own story in all of his replies. He goes deep in depth in truth as it is and accordingly to what is happening around our present day world today as it is.
Dear Ali Sina – I agree with you 100% on this. This is a fact of the matter. Most people are either ignorant or superficial or even perhaps prefer to turn a blind eye to the reality of truth. And this is really bad. Truth must always be prevail and be loved at all times and in all generations in order to bring about peace and happiness and love. I believe God in everyone of us as the kingdom of God is within us as Jesus says in the scriptures. So it is up to each of us to choose what we wanna do or which way we wanna go. There are only two paths of the way – it is either truth or deception. There's no middle way to sit.
So-called Peaceful Religion Islam's followers killed 149 people in Pakistan and Kenya and more than 315 people injured by so much peaceful religion.
Note: For them who used to say always "there is no religion of terrorism and terrorist" but read it carefully and you will found what is the religion of Terror and Terrorists is; non-Muslims targeted in terror attack in exclusive shopping Center! Attackers had asked, “Who is Prophet’s mother?” in an attempt to discover non-Muslims. One man escaped by showing the attackers his ID with his name, Hakim, on it. Another reportedly failed to name the Prophet’s mother and was killed.
And the claim of so-called peaceful religions follower my book say to do not killed child and women but in Nairobi, Kenya, you can see how they killed eight years old boy Parmasu Jain. What was his fault? Did he abuse Muslims? Did he say anything that hurt Islamists? No, He did not do anything that is prohibited in Islam but killed due to other faith. This proved how Islam is tolerance to other religion and how much care humanity that is claimed by Islamist, In short, the ultimate goal of Al-Islam, according to the Quran, is human development, welfare and prosperity in peace and security. But we can understand it the main goal of Islam is to dominate world using “Jihad” against humanity, disagreement, hate, hatred, discord, agitation disharmony, distress, fighting, frustration, upset, worry, war & bloodshed. This is true Islam that kills people whoever not accepting/embracing Islam the religion, Allah the god and Muhammad the prophet. The prophet started killing infidels in the 7th century. His followers have been proudly continuing the killing in the 21st century. They wish to continue till the Day of Judgment.
I applaud your wise observation. Thank God you can speak more freely than the current Pope.
"Hate goes so deep in the islamic mindset that it is almost unbelievable." I like that. Ever since Mohammed the murderous pedophile put these people under Islamic sword, they have been marinating in fear and hatred. That is some 1400 years of their culture.
And volia you have your hate filled muslim immigrants dying to take over your country and put you and your family under the islamic sword.
I am so convinced that there is no greater Evil than Islam and Muslims are minions of Devil… Sounds like provocative or hate speech ?? well It is just like several Ayats of Quran… If Muhammad says same its religion… If We the Infidels say the same in our self defense then its Evil and hate. Well I don't see the logic here. Actually God just gave me this message that we must end Islam and its followers and those who are with me are the best of people… 🙂 😛 I am serious…
LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE'S COUNTRIES AND GO BACK TO YOUR MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND STAY THERE!
I do believe all of the ideas you have introduced for your post. They are really convincing and will certainly work. Nonetheless, the posts are very brief for starters. Could you please lengthen them a little from next time? Thank you for the post.
Well what else would you expect a Satanic catholic to say? 🙂
Yes Ali keep blowing your own trumpet!!! lol!!!! Your nothing, Even your partner in crime the donkey Robert Spencer said on Fox News that Islam teaches Muslim to lead highly moral lives. You will cry when Islam rules the world Muhahahahahhah!!!!!!
This happened because of what Ali Sina said and not what Islam says. Ali you caused this, it is your fault.
I think we all agree with you. The difference is that few other ideologies preach hate and violance as Islam does. Mentally insane people exist everywhere, like this Breiwik fellow, but when a religion advocates killing and turnes sane people into murderers, then that religion should be stopped.
People who kill and commit other crimes in the name of religion or ideology must be stopped just as anyone else should. Muslims should not be an exception.
I agree with your comment, The Jesus of the Bible was barbaric.
Its called having the "Moral Highground" now get the hell out of Afghanistan!!!
I'm not extremist thanks but you obviously haven't read the Bible otherwise you would have read the verses relating to virgins in heaven, an old saying comes to mind "Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house".
truth will prevail…no matter how we keep it,it will come out,those who has brain let us use our brain to think unless he doesn't has any brain! from bottom of my heart i would give thanx to Ali sina,Wafa Sultan,and many more that i cant mention their names too many of them!for their unending energy to prevail what islam is all about!!!!bravo….
Actually, this kind of battlefield behavior can help bring peace and save lives by discouraging Muslim terrorism just as the Hiroshima bomb saved far more lives, Japanese and American, than would have been lost had the war continued. General Pershing broke the Muslim rebellion in the Philippines by burying the dead with pigs. Some say bullets were dipped in pig's blood as well. Pershing explains how this helped bring the war to an end. Such practices can discourage terrorism and jihad today as well:
General Pershing broke the Muslims in the Philippines by burying their dead with pigs. It was thought to be a rumor, but it's in his autobiography at the National Archives. Jim Lacey quoted it in his new Pershing biography in the MacMillan Great Generals series on page 66:
"These juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that the Mohammedans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins."
He also had this interesting tidbit about Muslims on page 35:
"The Moro is of a peculiar make-up as to character, though the reason is plain when considered, first, that he is a savage; second that he is a Malay; and third, that he is a Mohammedan. The almost infinite combination of superstitions, prejudices and suspicions blended into his character make him a difficult person to handle until finally understood. In order to control him other than by brute force, one must first win his implicit confidence, nor is this as difficult as it would seem; but once accomplished one can accordingly by patient and continuous effort, largely guide and direct his thoughts and actions. He is jealous of his religion, but he knows very little of its teachings. The observance of a few rites and rituals is about all that is required to satisfy him that he is a good Mohammedan."
Muslims get upset when I call them savages, so I prepared an article for them in my FB blog:
I do my part on the battlefield. If you would like to do your part, just present yourself to any Taliban recruiter and you will be issued an AK 47, and if you are lucky, maybe a suicide belt too. Then just present yourself to any US Marine or Army unit to get your 72 virgins.
I'm sure I have read the Bible far many more times than you (I'm sure you have not even read it once, actually), and I can assure you that the Bible does not give the picture you are painting. You are a victim of the propaganda of your culture.
I am sure that Dr. Sina and I are deluded everytime we read the Quran and Sunna. We fall under Muhammad's lying spell.
So what, what would happen to those troops if they were captured by the taliban? Everyone knows the answer to that, so tell me why the heads of the taliban should not be cut off?
Sounds like your on the same level as extremists, we should eliminate both. I always knew it was a case of extremists fighting eachother, maybe both sides should enter the battlefield and leave us normal, sane and humnae people in peace!!!
The Quran was sent to condemn the terrorism contained in the Bible. The Christians were savages and brutal during times of War, you only have to read the Bible to be aware of that fact. Anyone with half a brain woud read the entire chapter in the Quran to understand that the verses are related to times of War and not during times of peace. Ali Sina is a phoney, he is deluded. Blindly following and hero worshipping such a imbecile is suicide. Do your own research my freinds and you will find the truth. God bless.
Yes, it does indeed sound as if you are very deeply in denial. Ali Sina falsifies Quran and Sunna. Every Quran verse, Sira citation and Sahih Hadith quote is totally made up and fake. Those books don't really say what Dr. Sina says they say. If you look it up in real copies of Quran and Sunna, nothing Dr. Sina says is really in there at all.
Yeah. This article compares what we do to your dead once and a while (and send the perpetrators to jail) to what your people do to the dead. Of course, your people do this to the living to and say Allahu Akbar while they are at it. Very civilized society you guy have going there:
There's a better story just in:
A fine example of what you barbarian savages are like. If you think I have misapplied the term, you can read the scholarly definition of the difference between civilized people and barbarians here:
No but we saw the US troops urinating on dead Afghans, very civilised society you will have if there was no Islam!!!!
Ali Sina is in denial, he has been refuted on hundreds of occasions, he is a blatant liar and falsifier . Why blindly follow a lunatic like Ali?, don't take Ali's word for it even though his writing may seem high class and well written it is full of deceit. I have studied his work since 2006, beleive me he has ulterior and hidden motives and betrys his loyal followers, don't take my word for it read the refutations and you will discover what I discovered, I hope you all have the intelligence to invetsigate Ali Sina because you cannot trust anyone without reading the facts, the very best to you all.
A very big example of "tu quoque".
Agreed, only a 'few' do this act.
Others aid the 'few' either implicitly or explicitly in doing the act. I don't have to remind the readers of the donations recieved from various mosques in Arabia, Pakistan, U.K. and U.S. to spread Islam. The majority with their implicit approval and monetary help lend support to the very few to carry out this monstrosity.
Also a good read is Sufism
The Doctrine of the Sufi is a good read also
Read about : Pāli Canon
Buddha never claimed to be God or said there was no God
Assuming without proof again ?
Only a few do this act not all
I said Muslims and others (the people you listed ) next time I will list them so I do not be accused of doing something I didn't do
"There are also some decent people among those who dislike Isreal." I am not anti-Israel but yes i am anti zionist. If America has policies that i don`t like (and that goes against the values of the enlightenment, which america was founded on). I will criticise it but that does not mean i am anti america.
It's really a sad fact that Muhammad died a bitter old false prophet and left behind a legacy of jealousy and hatred towards the Jews to all his braindead followers, who continued in his legacy of jealousy and hatred. A good example will be Mr Mahmoud Ahmadinejab who declared that Israel will be wiped off the map. Another good example is a mosque was built at Temple Mount which is situated so close the the Western Wall, to honour Muhammad's dream of jealousy, etc. I believe that all these deep jealousy and deep hatred will come to an end if all the Muslims and Muslimahs wake up and know the absolute truth and get out of this cult of jealousy and hatred started by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, the false prophet.
As time flies, Muhammad's jealousy turned into hatred towards the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub and also, the entire Jewish nation. The above verse stated very clearly that his allah and even the nature can't wait to kill the Jew. Muhammad knew the fact that the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub has promised Ibrahim and his legitimate and rightful decendants a land flowing with milk and honey as he knew the Torah and the Bible well from different sources and he was extremely jealous that the Jews could enjoy this blessing and privilege from the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub. So, he always dreamt about the promised land because he was very jealous and every Muslim knew that Muhammad claimed that one night he dreamt that he was riding on a donkey to the temple at Jerusalem. Now, the question is: "Why Jerusalem and not Africa?". Isn't it obvious that this is the result of his uncontrolled jealousy?
The truth is that Muhammad hated the Jews because he was jealous. He was jealous of the Jews when he accidentally discovered the truth that the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Yaqub has promised Ibrahim that He will establish His everlasting covenant with Ibrahim's rightful and legitimate descendants born by Sarah only and that is through the line of Ishaq and Yaqub which is the Jewish nation and not with the descendants of Ishmael or Ibrahim's other sons and that the whole earth will be blessed as a result of God's everlasting covenant with human beings. Period.
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
Muslims wanted to destroy Israel, all because of Muhammad ibn Abdullah's plain hatred toward the Jews as clearly written in the Quran that his allah turned some of the Jews into apes and swine. No Muslims dare to deny this stark truth because Muhammad said it so. What made Muhammad ibn Abdullah hated the Jews so much that he wanted Muslims to fight the Jews and even commanded all the stones and trees to kill every Jew except only one tree had the guts to disobey him and his insane order and that is one of the trees of the Jews! Isn't this the world's funniest joke that there are so many braindead human beings who could actually believe in this stupid lie throughout history!
"Yes smart people can be wrong, even if their name is Bertrand Russell or Christopher Hitchens." And so can you, with your examples of various nut jobs which was nothing but a ad hominem attack. Or let me make an example you quote David Duke to support your position about anti Zionism but Duke also believes in, Christian "family values" and the preservation of Western culture, you agree with both of those views. Now for me to say to you yeah preserving western values is bad Ali, you know why because David Duke says it and he is a racist thug. Obviously you would rightly dismiss that "argument" for what it is, a logical fallacy.
"This tiny godforsaken land belongs to the Jews." Read my above example about Canada to see the absurdity of this "logic". Also since that land "belongs" to the Jews, does that mean if America (for example) strips Jews of their citizenship and deports them to Israel that would be justified since of course the Jews are on someone else’s "homeland"?
"Those who owned any property in Israel sold it to the Jews. The rest of the land was desert, belonging to no one." I already proved both of those claims false, just read this quote from Ahad Ha'am (the founder of "Cultural Zionism.")"We who live abroad are accustomed to believe that almost all Eretz Yisrael is now uninhabited desert and whoever wishes can buy land there as he pleases. But this is not true."
"You are a smart person. Please don’t play this game with me or with anyone." And please do not play games with me, you and i know full well Israel would be in a much better position to defend itself if it was a secular democratic state, not a Ethnocracy. Does America or the countries of western Europe have to become "white states" to defend themselves from Islamization? No of course not, indeed doing that would almost certainly lead to self destruction.
"There is nothing wrong with nationalism." First of all we have to say what nationalism is. Nationalism claims that each ethic group have a right not just to live in a certain territory, but rights over other ethic groups who may live their. This is clearly racist nonsense. Now you talked about one’s culture, language and so on, but someone does not need a state to preserve that you can be a Persian anywhere in the world. Also the dogma of nationalism raises a curious question about countries like Canada, where the native people where all but wiped out and the vast majority are immigrants, are you and the majority of your fellow Canadians occupying the Indians land? According to nationalism you are, and it is the Indians right (if they wish to exercise it) to expel every immigrant.
"If Muslims block sites critical of Islam and will not allow any truth to shine in their hell holes the plan B is to sperate them from the non-Muslims." Actually doing that will have the exact opposite effect,because i am convinced that human nature is incompatible with totalitarian ideology. I still don`t like the idea of sending our enemy more soldiers to kill us with.
You did not answer anything about zionism or just nationalism general you just listed a few names. So Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens,L. L. Zamenhof and loads of other secular cosmopolitan jews are "freaks"? I cannot speak for hamas and Ahmadinejad`s reasons for being anti-zionists which of course have nothing to do with anti-racism, but for me i oppose zionism like i oppose all nationalism, which can cause nothing but hate amoung humanity. Read this quote from Zamenhof and read it well "I am profoundly convinced that every nationalism offers humanity only the greatest unhappiness… It is true that the nationalism of oppressed peoples – as a natural self-defensive reaction – is much more excusable than the nationalism of peoples who oppress; but, if the nationalism of the strong is ignoble, the nationalism of the weak is imprudent; both give birth to and support each other…" Also because some anti zionists are freaks i guess it must mean all zionists are freaks as well sinse breivik was a zionist.
Poll data in Afghanistan shows the same trend because people who have been subjected to Taliban rule don't want them back.
Yes that is plan A. If Muslims block sites critical of Islam and will not allow any truth to shine in their hell holes the plan B is to sperate them from the non-Muslims. Let them wallow in their own filt until they come to their senses. When they are ready they will abandon Islam. I think among all the Islamic countries Iran is the only one that is ready. Others need to go through similar experiences to be ready.
"we should make room for apostates and minorities that Muslims persecute in Islamic countries." We should bring freedom and democracy to those countries. Are you just going to say to the Iranians, stop trying to liberate Iran from islamic rule and leave that country to those thugs? Hell no we should use every weapon we have (and can get) to topple those regimes, the people should not just leave and let them win.
"Who cares if America, Zionism, or all the other things you Muslims want to escape goat are bad? Are they prophets of God? Does anyone follow them? Good and bad people exist everywhere. Yes there are plenty of racist hate mongering Jews too. So what?" So millions of people (including you) are not zionists? And not just zionism aren`t the vast majority of mankind believers in some form of nationalism or other? Isn`t nationalism a racist ideology that is the one of the biggest evils? Don`t billions of people believe either some human (pope,Kim Il-sung just for a couple of examples) is God`s spokesperson or a god themselves?
"I believe Muslims should be sent back to where they came from" Send them where, islamic country? Where no doubt they will be free to walk the streets, cause havoc in those countries and worse still plot (and indeed carry out) terror attacks against western countries. I don`t like the idea of that at all. I would much rather they were imprisoned in our countries than to walk free in an islamic one (and if the crime is serious enough death penalty.)
The hate, the anger, and the deception in the articles come from Islam and not from Ali. Dr Ali has been patiently explaining the dangers of 'Islam' to everyone. Ali's methods have borne fruits in the form of people leaving the idealogy. His articles are being passed around to help people beware of this innocent looking dangerous idealogy. His articles have given most of us the mental means to keep away from such criminals in the guise of religious people.
This sums up Ali's Idea:
"Remember how Islam grew in the first place – with violence, through force. We should shun violence, but we should also avoid appeasement. Muslims interpret appeasement as weakness. They understand strength. This is what Geert Wilders stands for and as long as he sticks to this policy he will have my full support. Breivik did not listen to what we say. "
I support it and I am not a terrorist. 🙂
You just shot your own foot again, JSOP. Next time, you should think first. xD
"Tainting an innocent of a crime they did not commit yet" You really need to stop attacking straw men.
"Tolerance towards every faith that includes Muslims as Muslims need to have tolerance towards other faiths and reverts (Most Muslims are tolerant of others as most none Muslims are tolerant of Muslims also )" People can critise any idea or religion they want. Don`t the muslims critise trinity, atheism, call ahmadiyya muslims and bahais heretics and followers of false prophets etc?
Breivik did not kill muslims he killed members of Norway`s youth labour party (a left wing, Democratic socialist party). So Breivik considers all left wing people and no doubt all anti white nationalists as his enemy, not just muslims. So Breivik is just as much my enemy as he is of any muslim.
"He was in control of his actions and he should be punished the same as any terrorist" If you bothered to read Ali Sina`s comment you would see he thinks Breivik should recieve death sentense.
Breivik is not insane he is a evil person who thinks it is justified to hurt and kill innocent Muslims and others
He was in control of his actions and he should be punished the same as any terrorist
Assuming all Muslim are closed minded is wrong as many study many religions, history, cultures and languages ect
''When a Muslim commits terrorism he does it becuse he follows the instructions of his prophet.''
The acts which terrorist commit are not justified in Islam or any faiths and are a contradiction
Tainting an innocent of a crime they did not commit yet
Innocent until proven guilty (Sharia and the West Law )
Tolerance towards every faith that includes Muslims as Muslims need to have tolerance towards other faiths and reverts (Most Muslims are tolerant of others as most none Muslims are tolerant of Muslims also )
Theory and facts are not the same John
As Grace could say the same example about Mormons or an atheist can say the same about every religion.
Relating a theroy to something which is a fact does not make it a fact if it is a flawed theroy
"I am biased because of all the facts I know about Islam."
This is like Muslims criticizing chemists because they insist on the facts of the Periodic Table of Elements.
No matter how much you might wish it to be otherwise, no amount of insulting the chemist and telling him he is wrong is going to change the facts of the Periodic Table.
I am biased because of all the facts I know about Islam. Once you know the truth you can’t remain indeferent to it. However, I am not prejudiced. If you can present me a truth that I don’t know I will accept it even if it goes against what I believe today to be the truth. In the introduction of my book I invite Muslims to read my book not with an “open mind,” I encourage them to read it with their usual close mind. Truth will find its way to you even if you try to avoid it. You are biased towards Islam and I am biased against it. It would be dishonest to deny that. This does not mean we cannot talk. Read the facts that I present and then evaluate them according to your own biased judgement. The only way I cannot reach you is that you refuse to read. That is what most Muslims do. Many Muslims who come here to debate don’t bother to read the article they are refuting. They just like to argue with other members. The problem is that they don’t even read what other members write. They pick the first sentense and start refuting it.
I don’t have to know all the Muslims to make that claim. I know what the Quran and hadith teaches and I can see what Muslims do when they become devout Muslims. A great majority of Muslims don’t know Islam and hence are behaving decently.
Muhammad calimed to be a prophet of God and 1.5 billion people follow him and want to emulate him, My goal is to show he was an evil man and not a prophet. What do I acheive if I find faults with others too? Who cares if America, Zionism, or all the other things you Muslims want to escape goat are bad? Are they prophets of God? Does anyone follow them? Good and bad people exist everywhere. Yes there are plenty of racist hate mongering Jews too. So what? Idiots exist among all the people. The point is that Muhammad is believed to a prophet and 1.5 billion people try to emulate him.
When a Muslim commits terrorims he does it becuse he follows the instructions of his prophet. Breivik did not follow the instruction of anyone but his own sick mind. That man was insane. But Muslims are not insane. They are religious and devout believers. There are other non-Muslim terrorists such as the followers of the Japanese cult leader Shoko Asahara. No one said they were insane, They were caught and are serving their jail sentenses. Like Muslim terrorists they were influenced by an evil man. But they were not insane. This is not the case of Breivik. He accted on his own. In any case I think Breivik should be punished harsher. I think death sentense is appropriate for him. But Norway does not have death sentense and their liberal laws favores criminals. If you want to commit a major crime go to Norway.
I don’t mince my words. I believe Muslims should be sent back to where they came from and we should make room for apostates and minorities that Muslims persecute in Islamic countries. I will write an article about this shortly and will explain why I think tolerance towards Muslims is a grave mistake.
'Yes my goal is to destroy Islam and I will find everything that is wrong with it. Am I biased? You bet I am. ''
Then how could someone prove what you are saying is wrong if you are the judge of the disagreement when you admit to being bias thus no matter what someone says you will not agree with someone proving what you are saying is wrong
''But the belief in Islam makes good people do evil things''
You do not know all Muslims to make this claim. You do not speak for Muslims
Bias linking of only crimes that Muslims committed but not linking all crimes committing by all walks of life thus showing an one sided bias directed towards Muslims and Islam painting an untrue picture of Islam and the Muslim people
Why is it that when a Muslim commits a form of terrorism (which is bad) they are killed or jailed yet when Anders Behring Breivik does the same act they say he is insane and they lobby an insane asylum (he was in control of his actions ) yet he committed a form of terrorism himself thus should be treated the same as any Muslim terrorist
Terrorism is not limited to Islam
You claim your hatred for Islam is for love but this is not the case at all as your comments and the way you treat Muslims shows your true colours
''Where do you live Sidhoum?''
''I hope you live in a sharia-infested nation.''
Why would you hope this? (wishing violence? )
''And when the muslims get strong enough and they establish a caliphate.''
This is based on paranoia nothing more
''There is only one way to be equal in Islam. Be a muslim! That's it.''
Look to history of the different countries Laws
Example :Fatimid Caliphate
The caliphate was reputed to exercise a degree of religious tolerance towards non-Ismaili sects of Islam as well as towards Jews, Maltese Christians, and Coptic Christians.
Little history reading :
''They'll chop off your head just being who you are, and they won't care. They'll do it and go straight to lunch.''
Based on an assumpion not facts as you do not know what type of Muslims they are
''Learn Islam Sidhoum. Learn it!''
Many have learned about Islam and they do not base it on assumptions or lies spread about Islam but spend years studying Islam, history culture and Arabic language
Some spend years studying other cultures, language, history and other religions
''There are no Christian Taliban. Taliban are students of Islam residing in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Nor is there any Christian movement with similar goals.''
This is not very realistic as an extremist can come from every walk of life
All extremist are bad
Those crimes were committed by extremist forgetting hurting no innocents or women ect
What of all the bloodied faces of Muslims that are harmed by other extremist ?
There are many crimes against woman committed by all walks of life yet I notice you only link those committed by a few Muslims to try and back up your flawed logic
(By the Muslims doing these actions they go against Islam and it's teaching)
So you accuse someone of a lack of empathy and moral superiority because they are saying respect all and do not agree with what you are saying ?
Extremist of all walks of life are the problem (causing chaos)
The hate mongering Jews I was talking about are Hasidic Jews. They are anti Zionist for religious reasons. They are the ones who go to Iran and kiss Ahmadinejad and praise him for wanting to eliminate Israel. I am a Zionist. Good people are Zionists, hateful people are anti Zionists. Just look at the list: Muslim Brotherhood. Hamaz. Fatah, Ahmadinejad, All the Muslims, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez. Kim Jong Ill, David Duke, Obama (although he hides his anti zionism) the liberals all over the world. There you have it. The freaks are anti Zionist.
I would defend to death my brother Catholic, as I will do the same for my brother Muslim or my brother Jew……………
Against whom ? The only one who wants jews and christians dead are muslems. Look what they are doing in Egypt. So , what you say is another muslem propaganda trying to show that they love everybody and religions . In fact Islam says just the opposite . Read quran and you will see for yourself. According to Quran you are either a muslem or a non-human and like cattles.
Your personal interpretation of Ali Sina's mind is irrelevant.
You can guys see that this Islam and Arabic ignorant Ali Sina is nothing , but racist and Muslim hater. Some sick white Christian committed a crime Ali Sina blames Muslim for that . Then how can any intelligent man read the writing of this stupid guy . He lies and lies twist the verses in koran I do not know whether he does not understand them because he does not and cannot read Arabic or he wants to deceive us . But people like me who can read Arabic are here to expose his ass .
I'm glad for you Mary.
TRUTH!! Straight to the point. I know Islam, I was even about to convert a few years ago. I searched for an anchor in my life and christianity seemed so weak to me. I lived in a muslim country for some time and my husband is a muslim by birth. His father, a christian man was forced to convert to get allowance to marry my husbands mother. They always were and are the victims of their so called faith. God gave me strength not to get insane and finally got back to a sense of reason. I learned a lot about the contradictions of that twisted "faith". IN the end it shocked and frightened me to my bones. I woke up! This evil ideology has to be compared to brutal facsism and must therefor be eliminated from this earth…… but the hour is getting very late
We all living on our brain, our hands that typing now are connected to our brain. So the world didn’t exist….existed because we had been told that the world exist.
When the tree didn’t grow, it known as dead tree.
When the Buddha didn’t realize that they didn’t exist, they have died in mind, they become the stone or the dead tree.
Why such peoples want to follow the path of the dead.
Thats why Buddha was told by Nirvana Angel to “go and tell dharma to everyone”… until he died, he never realize that what he did only a illusion (not exist)…he died young, he died, he spread the word of death to everyone…
The good things was because peoples lose the mind of material world, the world become PEACE once again but without certainty of future life.
And all the peoples become stun, and died in mind. They don’t know for what they live, only to turn the wheel of TAO, only to become God toys.
But here Jesus, the living Buddha came, he told us that we are not God toys, we are subject to release from material world and will be saved for eternal life in heaven.
Jesus, the REAL BUDDHA, the real MESSIAH, THE REAL PROPHET, came and created peace into the world once again and he added the npromise of eternal life in peace.
No need to hate Muslim but hate Islam.
The Alisina.org only collect and show us the real accident on Islam world. On psycho-war technique, this will be a guided collection tools to understand the behavior of peoples especially the Moslem’s.
Looks that this was not preaching hate, but only show how the Moslem’s as a victim of Islam ideology, a barbaric bandito system on jahilliyah ages.
Easy to prove it, just provide sources from Islamic books, don't use childish rant. BTW, monalisa had gone for good.
I did ask you about source in the Bible too. Where is it?
You studied for 10 years and this is the best you can give? Wow. xD
Ignorant comment reflect your intelligence you know. I guess you want to say about "not bringing peace but sword". Do you realize that Jesus often spoke in parable? He even said that this was intended to conceal it from certain people. If he wanted sword then things should go like this:
1. Jesus advocated violence
2,. Jesus advised his followers to use sword, not prohibited it.
3. Jesus' disciples should force anyone into Christianity with threat.
Jesus often spoke about burden and suffering so try to relate this with the sentence you misused. 😀
So did Jesus
@Enlightened25 . Evil was created when men cannot resist temptations. In yr above postings u did say unpleasant things about Buddha. Where did I said u were born in sin n fifth ? No ? If u have a choice u would want to be born rich n handsome. Strong, healthy n have eternal life. Right ? Yes, God is a cosmic dictator n Satan only to the evil doers. Are u afraid now ? God's Plan is to rid the world of evil doers n turn it into a paradise. Only seed people will be saved. Atheists who never do any good deeds but talk lots of egoistic nonsense are NOT in His list. OK ?
No wonder there are many Doomsday Predictions n many indications to that effect.
@Enlightened25 . Evil was created when men cannot resist temptations. In yr above postings u did say unpleasant things about Buddha. Where did I said u were born in sin n fifth ? No ? If u have a choice u would want to be born rich n handsome. Strong, healthy n have eternal life. Right ? Yes, God is a cosmic dictator n Satan only to the evil doers. Are u afraid now ? God's Plan is to rid the world of evil doers n turn it into a paradise. Only seed people will be saved. Atheists who never do any good deeds but talk lots of egoistic nonsense are NOT in His list. OK ?
If god is All-good and all powerfull then whence cometh evil?
"Being an atheist, u also condemned all the holy men." Not i didn`t stop talking nonsence. "IF He doesn’t care for u, u were long dead." How nice of him, however i am still going to die, as is everone and everything else.
"God’s Divine plan is not for u to comprehend, because u never read any of his holy books." But yet a human such as you can, what arrogant claim is this? On one hand you say we are born in sin and filth, but fear not this universe was created with you in mind. "Do U have any choice ????" Their is a word for this dictatorship, is that what your god is a cosmic saddam hussein?
Paul said faith is evidence of things which are true but are not seen.
Christ said he would send the Holy Spirit to bear witness to the truth of all things.
So blind faith is not part of a Christian's belief.
Dr. Sina devotes a chapter of his book to this topic and cites studies about a "God center" in the brain. While I agree with his explanation of Muhammad's mental disorders, I think it is too cynical to ascribe this to all spiritual experiences of normal people with healthy brains.
No, u are tested for yr morality, God had sent so many great teachers to teach mankind to do good n not evil n yet many did/do the opposite. So what do to do with too many sinners ? U tell me. Tell me also what is yr assumption of the ultimate truth ?
Are we tested for our stupidity? Why should we be tested if God is omniscient? Primitive people invented the stupid belief that we are here on earth for a test. It makes some sense to think that we are here in this world to enrich our souls but belief too cannot be the ultimate truth.
God is seeing videos on how good triumph over evil. And He wants those tested, good souls to be in his company n the bad ones to be rehabilitated. Called Him any bad names u want only show yr ignorance. Being an atheist, u also condemned all the holy men. He is the creator of the universe n He is not bother about yr stupid opinions. IF He doesn’t care for u, u were long dead. He could have destroyed yr ancestors long time ago like He had destroyed the dinosaurs. God’s Divine plan is not for u to comprehend, because u never read any of his holy books. U are here on this earth to be tested n yr performance will decide yr next destination in the spirit world. Do U have any choice ????
Who created these people and evil was it not god? And not just "moral evil" but "natural evil" god does that too. So god made people sick and by "correcting" HIS mistake he punishes US. What beast is this? We should hate such a being, who does not care whether we live or die, not praise and worship him.
Didn’t u read of evils men did on this earth since they existed. Killing, robbing, rapes, cheating, bullying, holocausts, battles, wars were the works of most humans. So u expect God to forgive them. So when he punish you fellows, then u say he committed crimes. Whatever good or bad things happen to u is yr own doing in yr previous lives, according to Law of Karma. More evil people than good ones. So it looks like God is always punishing humans with natural disasters. He is purifying the people’s sins in His accounting. He considers death is birth in the spiritual world, no big deal. Death is a relief for those suffering great pains.
I very much doubt it. I guess these "mystical" experieces are similar to being on drugs-chemical reactions in the brain, nothing supernatural.
Wrong, every action has a reaction or cause and effect or karma as you call it. No one, or no god cares about us or what we do. Another question is what about god, will he pay for all the crimes he has done?
i THINK YR MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES ARE NOTHING BUT SPIRIT DISTURBANCES. CAN BE DAGEROUS ! MIND U !
@Grace, Unfortunately yr great Lord, Jesus went to Tibet to study Buddhism in his youth. There is a ducumentary proof in a monastry there n u fools never care to admit. The parable of the sower is a copy-cat story from the Buddhist text. FOOLS NEVER CARE TO LEARN.
People like u never study Buddhism but declared tons of bullshit about it. Didn't u see u score 2 negative points for yr posting. That means u are talking rubbish. My posting scored 2 points.
Didn't Jesus said to u to find THE WAY to seek the Divine Light n realize THE TRUTH that yr mind is so polluted that u always talk nonsense n to live THE LIFE of purification by Divine Light to save yr soul, mind n body. Poor Jesus. hIs SPIRIT is still hanging on the cross in idol form. He is getting too tired to save u.
"Who told you that Buddha knew that he had no knowledge?" You did "It would be good and wise for Buddha to humble himself and admit the fact that he had no knowledge". "I believe that Buddha was hallucinating due to extreme ascetism and prolonged meditation" The same could be said about paul and his road to damascus experience, if it was hallucination what would that prove? Nothing, i would have to defeat his arugments, not attack him personally and dismiss everything he says becuse he had a mental illness.
"If u don't believe in jinns, don't bring them into the debate." The point about jinns is this, not only do you know that a "paranormal" event has happened, you even know what caused it (i.e sprits) which is about as plausible as jinns or fairys. "Sitting on an armchair n demanding everyone to come n give u the proof is not the way to progress." What else do you expect me to do? Sit their and accept any bullshit without question. "Go n search for yrself n better still" Who said the atheist cannot have mystical expriences too?
Wake up, Mr everin, karma is referring to human sinful nature ie. you reap what you sow but the truth is that there's no reincarnation at all because we only lived once on planet earth.
Reincarnation is merely a pack of lies. If you eat pork, you'll became a pig in your next life. How about vegetables? Vegetables are living things too. So, is it true that every vegetarians will become a vegetable in their next life? Buddha never knew that his introduction of this evil ideology about reincarnation has brought about so much sufferings to humanity.
Through Buddha's teachings, a baby girl is born into this world because of some bad deeds done in her past lives while a baby boy born into this world means that he has done good deeds in his past lives. What nonsense is this? It's so unfair for a baby girl since she has no knowledge or whatsoever what she has done in the past that landed her with a vagina instead of a penis. Look at India and China and you will know why so many foolish human beings worship baby boys and murder so many innocent baby girls.
Hi enlightened25, some truths are absolute while some truths are relative and that keep the balance. Who told you that Buddha knew that he had no knowledge? I'm not 'attacking' Budhha but merely stating the truth and my 2 cents worth of thought here. I believe that Buddha was hallucinating due to extreme ascetism and prolonged meditation under that Bodhi tree and thought that he had attain Nirvana which in fact, is just a hallucination.
If there are no spirits, there will be no God n no Laws Of Karma n Reincarnation. Then many can have a free hand in doing evil without fear of retribution, as long as the policemen of the country do not discover or can be bribed off.
If u don't believe in jinns, don't bring them into the debate. What ? insult u ? in this debate u have gained a lots of knowledge than u care to acknowledge. I had pointed to u many of yr wrong beliefs. u should have thanked me instead. U think u are smarter than the paranormal investigators n the pscychics who work on the grounds n the millions who received Divine Light daily. Sitting on an armchair n demanding everyone to come n give u the proof is not the way to progress. Go n search for yrself n better still, stay in haunted houses for a few nights. Don't be stagnanted in yr "too-smart" beliefs.
I don`t believe in jinns, i was just making a point, why if it could be sprits why not jinns? "who have investigated haunted houses n they have found those spirits there are mostly of human origin." Really, hard evidence is it? I want to see this "proof" of "sprits". When i say people heal themselves i mean positive thought, and belief can have a powerfull effect on our health, basically it comes from your self not from some supernatural being or force. "A FOOL NEVER LEARNS” is a beautiful song by Andy William." If you do nothing but insult me in future i will simply ignore your posts, as ad hominem is not worthy of a reply.
Isn't it true that Buddism was founded by a mere human being named Prince Siddhartha Gautama and later, he was known as the Buddha, when he claimed to attain 'enlightenment'? So, whether it's philosophical or religious Buddhism, it's a man made religion and human beings can anyhow add or minus what they like to hear or do. In order to be fair to all the religions in the world, you should also brand it as a cult since you proclaim that all religions are cults. Was Buddha truly an enlightened sage? I beg to differ and I doubt so.
Yes, he has a heart of compassion for humanity but he was just a normal human being who had no idea about my loving Creator God and our human sinful nature, etc. It would be good and wise for Buddha to humble himself and admit the fact that he had no knowledge or whatsoever to the final solution to life's problem than to lie to the world and announced that he had attain Nirvana when in fact, it's just his own hallucination due to extreme asceticism and therefore, Buddha was not able to distinguish between telling the truth and hallucination although he taught his son and his followers the importance of telling the truth.
All we are saying "Give peace a chance"…Why can't these stupids so called "freedom fighters" of Islam give it a break now..It's really frustrating me now..hats off Ali Sina,I am an Atheist and i am proud that some Atheists are really taking stand..
I think you have to make a distiction between philosophical buddism and religious buddism, any truth seeker should look at philosophical buddism but you should not touch religious buddism with a 50ft barge pole- not if you value your sanity at any rate.
"Not only is the Dalai Lama a famous cult leader but also the founder of Buddhism, Buddha." Not necessarily it is quite possible buddha was simple an enlightened sage who was not believed by anyone (in his lifetime) to be some unquestionable authority.
I'm in 100% agreement with your views posted above.
Yeah and what do you know about it? I treat people as they treat me, none of this turn your cheek nonsense from me. You want to hurt me, kill me, enslave me well f**k you, i not going to stand their and take that I'm going to oppress you. "dont spread any hate and negative karma around or you will get the same back in your life." I don`t see any evidence for that nonsense, then how come many hatemongers live like kings their whole life, while peacefull people live in s**t?
you know nothing about islam, you have no knowlege or wisdom about it at all . thoughts are just mistakes and only cause confusion and problems to yourself. dont spread any hate and negative karma around or you will get the same back in your life.
Yeah, its Christopher hitchens with the body of a laughing Buddha. If you said that all religions are cults then, there's no doubt that all sects of Buddhism are cults too, whether it's the Mahayana, Zen, or Tibetan. Not only is the Dalai Lama a famous cult leader but also the founder of Buddhism, Buddha.
1)"Separatist terrorism is the most dominant form in both U.S And Europe, Would not that make it an international concern?" Do these separatists have the same ideology? Do basque terrorists ever bomb america, china or india?
2)What if separatist terrorism increases? It is obvious from the fact only 7 people died from 160 attacks that the aim is not (i assume in most cases) to kill, but to destroy/damage property. The aim of the islamic terrorists is also obvious- to cause as many human casualties as possible.
3)You can read in the europol report that separatists attack mainly property not civilians. "I can not see how is this unique to one type of terrorists." when you hear them boast things like "We love death, where you love life" then it is clear why they are "unique" they don`t care if they perish in a nuclear bomb – as long as they take everone else with them.
1) As far as I know, Separatist terrorism is the most dominant form in both U.S And Europe, Would not that make it an international concern?
2) What if separatist terrorism increases? My friend, it is the same: Islamic Terrorism is decreasing every year, between 2008 and 2009 It decreased by 39% and is still decreasing, rather than increasing.
3) And if other terrorists were successful how many people would have died? I can not see how is this unique to one type of terrorists.
Look closely its christopher hitchens not the laughing budda. As to do i think buddism is a cult, i cannot say about all forms of buddism but definitely tibetan buddhism is a cult and the dalai lama is certainly a cult leader.
"I too, like most of you, become disgusted when I see all of these things in the world, they all disgust me, whether it is a muslim a jew a hindu a christian an athiest, whatever the case may be. I never knew about Ahmadiyyat Islam, the true islam, until summer of 2010." If what you are saying by Ahmadiyyat islam you mean "humanism" then i have no problem with that, but to have a truly reformed islam you need to drop ALL claims of supernatural revelation, which is the source of all the evil from the abrahamic religions.
"p.s Ahmadiyyat Islam has been around for 103 years now, and is slowly become more widespread and reaching all corners of the world." Bahai is older and the second most widespread religion in the world (second only to christianity). Why is ahmadi better than bahai?
"Muslims have for several years, translated 30% (estimate) of the quran in a very inaccurate way. I am basically trying to say that the words they translate, are not always correct in the translation they chose, sometimes they chose translations that are not correct in that context, and sometimes they use the same translated english word for an arabic word that could have two meanings." Your point is? It is the same for all languages not just english and arabic, yet no one in the UN ever says i only understood 30% of that translation. Translators are experts in both languages, do you think you know how to translate better than the experts?
"This sect is called TRUE ISLAM AHMADIYYAT" It is strange you critise the other muslims for persecuting the ahmadiyya when the name of this sect is TRUE ISLAM AHMADIYYAT. I wonder what would happen to those fake (non-ahmadi) muslims if your sect became dominant.
"You have to adjust a holy book to fit the century in which you live, that is what the prophet taught us" Then what is the point of prophethood? Do you think you, as nothing but a slave know better than your master the almighty allah?
Dear enlightened25, I think that you avatar looks more like a cult figure. Many Buddhists will like you because you look like the laughing Buddha. How come you wilfully omitted Buddhism as a cult? Is it because you are a Buddhist?
"every religion can be easily turned into a cult." Religions are cults, except they are bigger than the majority of "cults". Judaism, christianity and islam all started as cults like the jehovah`s witnesses, bahais, and messianic judaism are considered cults by the followers of the "big 3".
You, Ahmadi, should join Johrei to radiate the Divine Light to help fellow muslims so that those beastly muslims will not attack you again. Click Johrei UK /USA/ Asia/Brazil to learn more. By praticing Johrei you don't have to leave your faith, OK ? You have nothing to lose but plenty to gain.
1) "What is an international concern?" What i mean is, is terrorism from say basque separatists on a international scale?
2) "despite creating only A SINGLE ATTACK in 2009 and 2010" True only few attacks from then, but by far the bloodiest in the whole EU 7 people died from separatist terrorism, in just 1 attack on spain in 2004 192 died. Thats over 25 years worth of separatists attacks in 1 day. What if islamic terrorism increases?
3)2) "In 2008, The single islamist attack only harmed its attemptor, in 2009 the same thing happened according to the 2009 and 2010 Europol report." If he was succesfull how many people would have died?
1) What is an international concern? Islamist attacks are "still being perceived as the biggest threat worldwide" despite creating only A SINGLE ATTACK in 2009 and 2010 on Europe, and in America, since 2001 Muslims were responsible for 8% (!) of all terror attacks there.
2) In 2008, The single islamist attack only harmed its attemptor, in 2009 the same thing happened according to the 2009 and 2010 Europol report.
3) Due to the lack of actual scientific studies I can not speak for world-wide until I can get hold of more information.
I never said so, You failed to correctly comprehend what I said, I said that: "ALL TERRORISTS" the reference was to terrorists, not MUSLIMS.
Let us see..
"I don't speak for TROP (The Religion Of Peace.com), but i looked it up, and got a CNN report of it." That is just ONE sample, Show me proof for each of the 17000 attacks of that unscientific report. What do you mean with "Go right ahead"? Do you mean that I will search about them? What nonesense is this? Imagine if there was a report about "Christian Terrorists" which listed 17000 Christian attacks and when asked for actual proof, replies with: "Go right ahead. I'm sure they were all accounted for" How are you sure, May I ask? or is just your bias that creates the mental hallucination: that you are "sure" and that you "know"?
"You know what i like about living off the Kafirdom teats?" I do not want to know about your death-loving uncaring spirit, I know enough people in "kafirdom" and outside it, and here is one thing: I'm not a Muslim. I'm an agonstic, What I am defending is not Islam as a religion, what I am defending is Islam as a culture, that is, I am entirely against the demonization of Muslims in the west as terrorists and in fact: They have done AN EXTREMELY little amount of terrorist attacks at least [Due to lack of proper scientific studies in other areas] in the west.
"all these moderates were either in denial, lying towards others or simply fail to understand Quran completely" This is nonesense: 1.5 Billion Muslims are in the world, The extreme majority of them, as shown by scientific, scholarly studies by Gallup and others are against terrorism, Are they all "in denial" or lying? How do they not understand the Quran? How should the Quran be understood, Who decides? In other words, you are taking an extremely narrow interpretation of the Quran and apply it to all Muslims, One thing is for sure: YOUR INTERPRETATION IS WHAT IT IS: AN INTERPRETATION, MOST MUSLIMS ARE AGAINST IT AND OPENLY DENOUNCE IT. End of story.
"Furthermore, there is no moderate Islam. If Muhammad were alive this day and age. He would say that these moderates are all going to hell." Oh yeah? Really? How are you so sure? I guess your some guy who has some mysterious psychic ability and can communicate with spirits, or you are just a lame self-deceiver, trying to demonize a religion doing all what it takes instead of actually making an objective judgement that takes in mind what ACTUAL MUSLIMS interpret their religion to be like.
"So go right ahead. Sample all those 17,000 numbers and go live in oblivion believing that ISLAM MEANS PEACE!" Another piece of trash which is nothing but a personal attack.
Supremacist attitude, the usual muslim's breakfast.
You are an ahmadi? which sect?
Sunni is barbaric, this I agree, however, the sunnis got their example (sunnah) from their prophet.
Dear Sonia Akseer, I presume that you are a Muslim. It doesn't matter which sect of Islam you belong to. The truth is that Islam is a lie concorted by a horrible 7th century Middle East man who was actually a werewolf in sheep's clothing. In day time, he looks like a kind and cpmpassionate man but when the sun sets, he revealed his true identity and hunts for his victims, to devour them and sent their soul to hell for revealing his identity and exposing all his despicable lies. Please go and study the Quran and realized that it's a pack of lies.
and please please please, understand that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE representing islam in the real way. I Don't care if 70% of the world is showing you that islam is barbaric!!!!!!!!!!! this still does not mean that they are correct; it just means that they are bigger and more prevelant in numbers! I too, like most of you, become disgusted when I see all of these things in the world, they all disgust me, whether it is a muslim a jew a hindu a christian an athiest, whatever the case may be. I never knew about Ahmadiyyat Islam, the true islam, until summer of 2010. I left my sunni beleifs because they were too barbaric for me, it did not make any sense for me, until one day I met a friend that summer who changed my life and showed me the beauty of Islam. I get no benefit from typing all of this to everyone to read, but all I ask is that you please read through those websites, and if anyone can please reply to my post in a honest, non-biased manner, and discuss how they feel about the websites, then Ill be here to discuss in an academic way. I just want to come to the bottom of this nasty picture of muslims in the world and show you that it is not the truth.
Like they say, those with the biggest BARK take the biggest bite, but it doesn't mean they are correct! Those who are silent, those who are motionless but strong at heart, are the true ones.
p.s Ahmadiyyat Islam has been around for 103 years now, and is slowly become more widespread and reaching all corners of the world. Mainstream muslims continue to persecute Ahmadi's although, especially recently in Indonesia, because they feel we are "cowards", "traitors" and a "cult". When you see how barbaricly the mainstream muslims treat us, you will truly see that they are 100% incorrect in the way that they practice islam. Its a huge error, a huge misguidance, but beleive me when I tell you it has happened unfortuantely and it needs to be reversed God willingly.
Thank you so much for reading and having a open mind and heart and giving me a chance!! Take care everyone.
I don't care what anyone says, those who have found islam in a peaceful way, and those in a negative way, are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. You guys, all of you, especially you Ali, I wish you would put some time into looking into sects of Islam who are following the proper teachings of God.
Yeah, sure you'll come back and tell me I'm wrong, but please, before you do so, I have one more thing to say.
Do you think it is fair, for a group of catholics to deem one sect of catholics, as non-believers? Did you know, that the 72 sects of Islam, together, have deemed one sect in particular as non-muslims, "kafir"? Do you know why they have done this?
Pakistan, has made it part of their LAW that you can arrest members of this sect of islam for saying the Kalima (statement that God is One). They are thrown in jail for stating themselves as muslims.
This sect is called TRUE ISLAM AHMADIYYAT. Before you think, well whatever this is just another sect who the hell cares. I want to stop you and tell you that it is not just any sect. It is a sect, that is collectively agreed by the 72 other sects as being wrong and as being "kafirs"
Does this not spark your interest? You seem like a very passionate and scholarly person who wants to know truths in life and does not stand for babarianism.
Neither does those who follow the pure way of Islam Ahmadiyyat. Our numbers have surpassed millions and our majority are only converts from many diverse backgrounds in the world. I am NOT trying to convert anyone here, to each his own and God bless all religions! I am SIMPLY trying to explain, that we KNOW that muslims are ruining our image in this world.
Ahmadi muslims REFUSE to go to the majority muslim's mosques, because we have taken a stand against their practices around the world. They take islam in a very wrong literal way, when the proper way of islam is to be taught metaphorically as all the prophets in the past used you. You have to adjust a holy book to fit the century in which you live, that is what the prophet taught us, and people ignore this important key note. Ahmadi Muslims are the only muslims in the world who are trying to show everyone the true islamic way.
So I just really wanted to tell everyone that. Our slogan and the motto for our community is "love for all, hatred for none" we do not believe in JIHAD which 100% of all other muslims believe in, and the REASON why they fight. They are all ignorant! The Quran did NOT teach jihad as a fight. These people have not been taught properly. JIHAD is a personal struggle. A women who is trying to get a job to feed her children is JIHAD, going through school to support your family is JIHAD.
I want to leave you guys with one last explanation please, to show you WHY the arabs and pakistani mullahs (since they are countries that are islamic states and make all the books and translations of the quran) have made HUGE ERRORS in teaching islam. Please look at this example:
In english, there are several spellings of words, for ex. There, their, they're, well (health) and well (water well), etc etc etc! You get the idea. Muslims have for several years, translated 30% (estimate) of the quran in a very inaccurate way. I am basically trying to say that the words they translate, are not always correct in the translation they chose, sometimes they chose translations that are not correct in that context, and sometimes they use the same translated english word for an arabic word that could have two meanings.
Anyways; with all of this in mind. Please visit these sites. I know you guys all do research as I can see from all the very well defended comments especially by Ali, but I would respect if you visited these sites by Ahmadi muslims, and watched this video.
Governments all over the world, by the way, are honouring Ahmadi muslim communities for being the most peaceful and most community involved representation of islam that they have ever seen. Research for yourself, I am not fabricating anything.
This is something I want everyone to read please! It is from the website that informs everyone about the real, true islam.
"Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) emphatically declared that an aggressive “jihad by the sword” has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual “jihad of the pen” to defend Islam"
please flip through these documents to get a real picture of islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NRFPT1Bvk http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya http://www.alislam.org/press-release/Peace-Confer…
^ this is a video of the prime minister of CANADA congradulating Ahmadi muslims identifying them apart of the mainstream muslims, for their peace in TRUE islam.. during the opening of a new ahmadi mosque.
I see what everyones issues here are, and sadly, the truth is that in life every religion can be easily turned into a cult. I have seen christian cults, jewish, catholic, hindu, islamic, you name it. I don't mean a cult where Bob the leader sits down and he has with him 50 followers; I mean a world wide spread of misinformation and misguiding that teaches people to behave barbarically through the teachings of their holy scriptures.
I have seen that somehow, through the twisted of their scriptures worlds, or through LITERAL translations of their meanings, people successfully do this; especially within islam.
There are many beliefs in Islam; and many people stopped believing in the true teachings once Mullahs took over (spiritual "leaders") these are men who thought that, them knowing the Quran, was enough for them to teach the rest of man-kind. But what happened along the way, was that they became hypocrites, and became metaphorically lazy. In the sense that they did not put the EFFORT in translating the teachings of the Holy Quran the proper way. And showing everyone that Islam is built on 110% PEACE AND LOVE. In mosques, in madrasa's (quranic teaching classes for youth) these Mullahs, and islamic so called scholars, and other followers of their knowledge, teach the rest of the world and brain wash them, without encouraging them to find ISLAM on their own and learn it for themselves.
A number of Malaysians caught trafficking drugs to major airports of Indonesia are also considerably high.
So does that mean Malaysians find it hard making a living in Malaysia?
Dear Alisina, For the past 2 years there a number of Iranians caught smuggling drugs into Malaysia via the KLIA airport. Still more are coming. When convicted, they will be sentenced to death. Why are they so desperate ? Hard to earn a decent living in Iran ?
Passerby, didn’t you take that one example outta blue; a random sampling thing?
I don’t speak for TROP (The Religion Of Peace.com), but i looked it up, and got a CNN report of it.
If you want to sample all those 17,000 numbers. Go right ahead. I’m sure they were all accounted for.
You know what i like about living off the Kafirdom teats? To us, these numbers are just statistics. Our minds don’t perceive FIVE DEAD CHILDREN as what it is. They’re just news. They are in somebody else’s shoes halfway around the world. We don’t have to be the ones bagging up pieces of dead children and have nightmares afterwards.
I liked to think that it was not the Quran that made the muslims terrorists do what they do. Until i realized that all these moderates are either in denial, lying towards others or simply fail to understand Quran completely. Furthermore, there is no moderate Islam. If Muhammad were alive this day and age. He would say that these moderates are all going to hell.
So go right ahead. Sample all those 17,000 numbers and go live in oblivion believing that ISLAM MEANS PEACE!
"As for the 60 million, The original poster has not clarified what he said so my answer was based on my own interpretation of what he said." What i thought you said in this statement "All terrorists in Europe are Muslims, that is precisely the claim… Except that 96% are not." Was that 4% of muslims were terrorists.
"Now, will you say that Europol is controlled by the evil Moozlems, as someone like Ali Sina may say? Or will you begin to follow actual logic and reason and take an unbiased view at the situation?" I have several points
1)Is the separatist terroism an international concern?
2)Their were 7 deaths from all the separtist attacks (160 of them), okay fair enough their were only 3 terror attacks (from muslims) in 2010 but if they had been succesfull they would have killed much more than 7 people.
3)What about the islamic terroism worldwide?
That is but ONE incident, Where are the other incidents? Why are the 17.000 attacks not mentioned in large-media? I want proof for EACH AND EVERY CASE OF THE 17,000 ONES,
"Millions are dead and counting. 17.000 terrorist attacks ever since 9/11 perpetrated by the people who embrace "the religion of peace"."
This is nonesense, You are still citing the same thing over and over: WHAT YOU ARE CITING [BY THEIR OWN SAYING] IS UNSCIENTIFIC NONESENSE THAT WOULD NEVER BE PUBLISHED IN AN ACTUAL, LOGICAL, SCIENTIFIC DEBATE ABOUT THE SO-CALLED "THREAT" Muslims pose.
In other words, You haven't still proven anything at all.
“2011.09.17 (Faryab, Afghanistan) – Five children are among nine civilians ripped to pieces by a Taliban bomb.” What proof is there?
So What? So What?
Millions are dead and counting. 17.000 terrorist attacks ever since 9/11 perpetrated by the people who embrace “the religion of peace”.
Pious people, not necessarily uneducated nor poor.
So What? So what you said.
Excuse me, but I do not know what you mean by playing a "clam-shell" game, please further define your terms. "Europe is still largely in stealth-jihad mode"? What stealth jihad? Is this not just a conspiracy theory? This is unscientific nonsense, It has no basis in actual data, besides, Sina himself ascribed to the view that Muslims are turning every country they go to into "warzones"; Certainly Europe is a part of these countries "Muslims go to" or, according to his quote: "The tolerant Europe is rapidly becoming restless and intolerant. If this sentiment is not harnessed and directed as in Netherlands, it will manifest itself as racism and xenophobia, as it in Bulgaria, Hungary and Russia.
It would be a grave mistake to see this anger as anything other than a reaction to Islamic invasion, and it would be foolish to try to suppress it. This reaction is legitimate and natural. It won’t go away. Suppressing it will make it explode. I predicted this ten years ago. Europeans are sensing the threat of Islam. Muslims have been very clear in stating their intent, which is to subdue and to dominate their hosts and even to rape their women."
I have shown that Sina's Muslim-raped woman was not raped by Muslims at all for that matter, She was a Swedish woman who was raped by a group of five men who invited her and her friend into a party, and were not found afterwards, that is direct information from the newspaper which published the photograph, I have posted the link in a previous comment and can re-post it if you demand so.
Not only in Europe, also in the U.S, Do you want actual statistics? I will be happy to provide them, is the U.S also in "stealth jihad" mode? If so, What is this stealth jihad, how does it take place, who makes it, and what evidence is there that it exists?
What proof is there that "most terrorist attacks are Muslim" I hope you provide actual, scientific data to prove so.
As for the 60 million, The original poster has not clarified what he said so my answer was based on my own interpretation of what he said. When he can clarify what he meant, I can then answer properly, otherwise, I simply tried to give his vague statements meaning and answered them.
I am not willing to go into a debate about that matter, as it would be too off-topic for readers.
What is the "unorthodox" point of view I provide? What is the "orthodox" point of view? And what does orthodoxy have to do with our argument? The so-called "unorthodox" point of view that you are trying to ascribe me is based on facts, And the fact is: Sina is wrong. Most of terrorists are not Muslims. This is proven by both American reports, and European ones, I have said that my primary concern is with "Western Civilization" and the so-called threat "Muslim Terrorists" pose.
How do the "facts and figures" not support my "point of view"; You have not defined any of your terms properly, and, more importantly, you have not proven what you say as true.
As you replied to everyone of my replies individually, I will reply to every comment of yours individually too.
"thereligionofpeace.com" gives absolutely no actual sources for what it says, and it's findings are directly contradicted by reports in Europe and America,
I am sorry sir, but you have not read any actual respected terrorism reports, If you have read, You'd know that:
A: In Europe, As I have shown using the actual reports, In 2006 Only one Islamist attack took place, In 2007 4 took place, In 2008 0 took place, and in 2009: 1 took place, In 2010 only 1 attack took place. This information comes directly from Europol's reports, which can be found here: https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications…
Let us see a sample of the information presented on "thereligionofpeace.com": "2011.09.17 (Faryab, Afghanistan) – Five children are among nine civilians ripped to pieces by a Taliban bomb." What proof is there? Who witnessed this? What major media reports this? In short, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? No evidence at all. In fact, the website itself says: "we are not making the claim that this is a scientific product." [ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.h… ] So you are citing an unscientific "list of terror attacks" and you are trying to pass it as an actual, scientific research? I am sorry, but unscientific, unsourced and unverifiable "lists" are nothing but what they are: Inappropriate for a logical, scientific conclusion.
Unless you cite actual scientific, proven research by actual scientists, Your argument is false.
Dr. Sina doesn't generally ban anyone except for abuse and vulgarity. He allows all points of view to be expressed, even if he doesn't agree with them.
So you play a clam-shell game shifting your focus from Europe to global and back to get your way. Europe is still largely in stealth-jihad mode, so Muslim terrorists are not very active there. Shift your attention back world-wide, and yes, most terrorist attacks are Muslim. 60 million is your straw man anyway, as it is a figure deduced from poll results of those who support terrorism, not a roll call of terrorists.
Sorry. I have a degree in linguistics. The usage can be either way.
You come to this site promoting an unorthodox point of view, yet you offer no facts and figures. This is because facts and figures do not support your point of view.
That figure is maintained by thereligionofpeace.com who tracks the casualties on a daily basis.
Besides Dr. Sina's article on FFI, Ann Barnhardt published some more information on 9/11 Truthers recently. See barnhardt.biz
It is only a logical perspective. The Irony is that Osama bin Ladin had made many claims that he n his gang had committed the 9/11 attacks in his video massages, but this ex-PM Of Malaysia still believes otherwise. This is an insult to Osama n the 19 “heroic” Muslims who had sacrificed their lives in this Jihad.
Of course I won't be able to, eh? Europol is controlled by Evil Bloodsuckin Moozlems, right?
"the overwhelming majority of "terrorism" attacks" First of all, I'd like to comment on your English, Terrorism should be turned into terrorist, Any online grammar checker would have not taken a minute or two to correct that error, Please do not take this as an insult or so, I am just giving a little note.
Second, What source is for your statement? Because If you say that Muslims are a threat to Western Civilization [I assume so because you are primarily defending Ali Sina's view, which states that] then What countries are included in "Western Civilization"? Or, to a higher level, what continents? I assume that you are talking about Europe, America and Australia for that matter; If so, I've cited reports about terrorists in Europe, and in America, what remains is Australia? If you want, I can search about that, and I am sure the results will not differ much, Otherwise, You are gravely mistaken, my friend.
As you wish my friend, First of all, Here is the website for Crime reports in general: https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications…
You can find the 2007, 2008, 2009 and all others there, I quote from page 9 of the 2009 TE-SAT 2009: EU TERRORISM SITUATION & TREND REPORT [Which can be downloaded from here: https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files… ]
"Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, despite the fact that the EU only faced one Islamist terrorist attack in 2008. This bomb attack took place in the UK…Separatist terrorism remains the terrorism area which affects the EU most. This includes Basque separatist terrorism in Spain and France, and Corsican terrorism in France…Past contacts between ETA and the FARC illustrate the fact that also separatist terrorist organizations seek cooperation partners outside the EU on the basis of common interests. In the UK, dissident Irish republican groups, principally the RIRA and the CIRA, and other paramilitary groups may continue to engage in crime and violence."
In the 2006 Only one Islamist attack took place, In 2007 4 took place, In 2008 0 took place, and in 2009: 1 took place.
Now, will you say that Europol is controlled by the evil Moozlems, as someone like Ali Sina may say? Or will you begin to follow actual logic and reason and take an unbiased view at the situation?
I was seriously going to ignore this piece of trash you call a comment, but, I thought that two minutes of wasted time are not going to harm much, so: I NEVER SAID THAT THESE GROUPS DO NOT EXIST, THEY DO EXIST AND THEY ARE TERRORIST GROUPS, What I am ACTUALLY SAYING IS THAT THEIR SIZE IS EXTREMELY SMALL, IF YOU LISTED A 100-or-so groups which call for Global Jihad, I say, SO WHAT? THEIR SIZES ARE EXTREMELY SMALL, COMPARED TO THE MUSLIM MAJOIRTY, THEY ARE VERY SMALL IN SIZE, How can a couple of small groups [Which i doubt many are even existent by now] whose followers are so small in number as to have to hide in caves, can be compared to all Muslims?
Line is: These groups exist, but they are not a threat to Western Countries, In fact, In Europe, They consitute a tiny 4% of terrorist attacks.
I could give the names of a hundred-or-so gangs in America, can I afterwards, claim that these gangs are just a product of American society, and that they are following what the American Majority is?
Bottom Line: The Majority of Muslims do not support terrorist, All terrorists are not Muslims, In fact, MOST TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, Over 96% of terrorists are not Muslims in Europe, and in America, 94% of terrorists, The idea of 16,000 Muslim Terrorist attacks since 2001 is absolute nonsense.
He won't be able to because the overwhelming majority of terrorism attacks are by Muslims. Hence the folly of screening little old ladies and infants at airports.
I'm not sure if it has a technical name in logic, rhetoric, or debate, but in psychology it is called posturing. It is the technique of positioning oneself in a one-up position and the opponent in a one-down position.
You have provided Logicio Circuli :-). "The Quran itself says"….If you stand by this verse of quran, you have to standby all the verses of Quran. So given the fact that you use "The Quran itself Says" in support of the argument, Can I take it that you standby Humiliation of Kafirs ? If so, then you will also stand by dhimmitude, rape, murder, and stuff ? Have you read a Jihadist's experience of killing a kafir. His name was Anwar shaikh.
Does anyone know the name of this style of argument..Where the provocateur elevates the provoked to a high pedestal and then drops the provoked ? E.g. here is I 'Used' to think Ali Sina was the most rational of all Anti Muslim Sphere ?
These are your own words sir. "This is proven by Europol reports." Give me the links to an unbiased survey (not one`s written by muslims) and i may believe you.
Abu Nidal Organization, Abu Sayyaf Group, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Al-Badr, al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Al Ghurabaa, al-Haramain Foundation, Al Ittihad Al Islamia, al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, Al-Umar-Mujahideen, Ansar al-Islam, Ansar al-Sunna, Armed Islamic Group, Asbat al-Ansar, Caucasus Emirate, Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Dukhtaran-E-Millat, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front, Hamas, Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin, Hezbollah, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Hizbul Mujahideen, Islamic Army of Aden, Islamic Jihad — Jamaat of the Mujahideen, Islamic Jihad Union, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine, Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Jamaat Ul-Furquan, Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh, Jamiat ul-Ansar, Jamiat-e Islami, Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front, Jemaah
Islamiya, Jund Ash Sham, Jundullah, Khuddam ul-Islam, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Mujahedin-e Khalq, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestine Liberation Front, Palestine Liberation Organization, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, Revival of Islamic Heritage, Stichting Al Aqsa, Students Islamic Movement of India, Supreme Military Majlis ul-Shura of the United Mujahideen Forces of Caucasus, Takfir wal-Hijra, Taliban, Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi are not terrorist groups. They are charity workers. How can these Islamophobes like Spencer and Sina can mistaken them for Islamic terrorists is beyond me.
For all i know, THESE GROUPS ARE NOT STAYING TRUE TO THE TEACHING OF QURAN WHICH IS TO RAISE JIHAD FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF GLOBAL ISLAMIC CALIPHATE. They’re charity workers! And of course they should also choose the crappy path of the western muslims do by convincing the West that ISLAM MEANS PEACE!
Thanks for this perspective and standing up for us.
It seams that somehow, you have interpreted what I said as "All Muslims in europe are terrorists except that 96% are not" I have said another thing: ALL TERRORISTS IN EUROPE ARE NOT MUSLIMS, IN FACT, 96% OF TERRORISTS IN EUROPE ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
This is proven by Europol reports.
In other words, the idea of the existence of 60 million Muslim Terrorists is absolute nonsense, It is disproven not only by American and Europol reports, but by simple logic and reason.
"16,000 Terrorist Attacks Done By Muslims Since 2001" is another piece of nonesensical unscientific information that has no basis whatsoever, Well, Maybe it has a basis, In the Islamophobe's brain. http://goo.gl/m0CSC
"All terrorists in Europe are Muslims, that is precisely the claim… Except that 96% are not." No 60 million is not a lot, is is only more than the popultation of these countries Italy,spain,england,south africa,south korea,argentina,canada,iraq and afganistan. So only enough islamic terroists to fill a large european country no big deal, still pakistan may prove to actually provide a survice to humanity after all who knew.
NOTE: My first comment [Which is this] was eaten a few times by now, I am reposting it right now into sections, THIS IS THE FIRST COMMENT, THE TWO OTHERS ABOVE ARE AFTER THIS ONE.
Hi, This was originally intended as a letter for a friend but was changed into a comment during the process,
What is Sina's main point? Muslims are evil and so is Islam, and the actions of Anderson are just a response, let me cite an excerpt:
"It is in these crucial times that voices of reason must prevail. On one hand Muslims are transforming the non-Muslim countries into slums and warzones. They refuse to integrate. They build ghettos and no-go zones for the locals, including the police. They assault non-Muslims, rape their women and try to impose their Islamic way on their hosts. On the other hand their leftist allies are aiding them. Together they work to destroy the western civilization." Sina just turned into a yet another Robert Spencer… I used to think that Sina was at least a bit higher than Robert in terms of his ability to illogically build an argument [that was not a typo; I am talking in means of making it seem as logical as possible] So now Western Civilization is under a global conspiracy made by the evil Moozlems who (when, how, where?) raped women, assaulted "Us" and build "ghettos" and no-go zones for all of us, See what the evil Moozlems are doing? After all, they are transforming our countries to war zones!
THEY are doing all this to US! and not only that, Their more evil leftist allies are looking forward to destroy OUR civilization!!!
"There is a limit to forbearance. Muslims interpret tolerance as sign of weakness and will escalate their violence. It is only natural for their victims to react. So far the violence in Europe has been one sided – perpetrated by Muslims. Once it becomes reciprocal blood will run in the streets and Muslims will be the losers." I am sure Sina never looked at a poll about Muslims, he claims all of this about Muslims, and then says He loves Muslims. Muslims make all the violence IN EUROPE, Notice his claim:"IN EUROPE" You know, All terrorists in Europe are Muslims, that is precisely the claim… Except that 96% are not. [goo.gl/NDGKL]
After all, Sina actually made a similar, more direct claim in the first page of the foreword in his book, "Understanding Muhammed" [Understanding the Islamophobe's Brain would make a better title, considering the amount hallucinations Sina's mind produced in that book] 16000 terrorist attacks have been committed by Muslims! You know, eh? [http://goo.gl/m0CSC]
Continued… "Later on You can see…"
The Malaysian Insider) – Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad continued today to back a conspiracy theory that the US government was responsible for the 9/11 attacks on its own soil, even as Americans prepared to mark the 10th anniversary of their nation’s worst-ever terrorist attack.
He added that he could not believe Arab Muslims were capable of the planning required to launch such attacks against the United States.
The former prime minister repeated today the claims he had made last January, hinting that the attacks were staged as an excuse for the US government to retaliate against the Muslim world.
“This is the legacy of George W. Bush. If they can lie so as to kill Iraqis, Afghans and American soldiers, it is not unthinkable for Bush & Co to lie about who was responsible for 9/11. Human lives do not seem to mean much to Bush!!” he said in a blog posting today.
Standing by his theory, Dr Mahathir insisted that the Arab Muslims were incapable of planning such a well-strategised multi-pronged attack that saw the iconic twin towers of the New York World Trade Center crumble to the ground.
Another thing worth noting: Sina shows the picture of "A Swedish woman gang raped by Muslim immigrants in her own country" I have searched about the picture, and found more of the same: "Muslims Guys Rape Swedish Girl" Any sources? I'm afraid I could not find an actual source, After an hour or so of searching, I found that the referenced newspaper was the "Expressen" A few more minutes and I found the actual article: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.188807/de-slog-… What does it say? Linda and her friend Jenny were raped by four or five men after a party which they invited them to, as far as I understand, Does it mention anything about Muslims, Immigrants, "Non-Whites" [a term popular in the websites I visited] or anything of this manner, furthermore, it refutes this, saying at the end of the article: "Efterlyst . Självklart hoppas vi att någon lämnar tips som gör att de här männen kan gripas. " Which roughly translates to: "Of course, we hope that someone leaves hints that make these men can be arrested." Which directly says that they have not been arrested yet, which makes the claim that they are immigrant Muslims very questionable and unsourced, How did the anti-Immigrant anti-Islamic pro-white websites know that she was raped by MUSLIMS or IMMIGRANTS for that manner? But, after all, It's good ol' Uncle Sina, stating facts that are very well-sourced… in the Islamophobe's Brain,
…. And I used to think Sina was the most rational of all the Anti-Muslim Sphere, It was not until I read his book that I was truly enlightened about how logical fallacies and irrational superstition can be hidden in such a way as to convince a reader that they are logical, do yourself a favor, buy Sina's book, and a couple of the books about Islāmic History which he references [Ibn Saa'd's and At-Tabari's are his most-referenced], and get yourself a copy of Madsen Pirie's "How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic" and you will get a very valuable lesson in logical fallacies and illogical thinking.
Oh well, I just noticed that this comment may be deleted as soon as I am blacklisted… Intensedebate, afterall, allows for IP bans. Anyways, I have left my two cents, If you can see this comment, think it thoroughly and if you have any actual, logical criticism, I'll be happy to hear, that is, of course, If I was not banned.
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Later on, You can see: "Islam is cancer. It must be stopped." Yeah, you know…. "We still have time to stop this madness. We can ban the Sharia, shut down the mosques, send the radical Muslims back to where they or their parents/grandparents came from, and declare Islam illegal." You are a perfect draftsman, Dear Sina! You have well-drawn the plan commissioned by Hitler… Except that you replaced Jew for Muslim.
What has actually gotten my attention in this mixed bag of logical fallacies and pure superstitious nonsense that looks good until you analyze it is that Sina says that "The essence of Islam is al wala’ wal bara’ – a truly diabolic doctrine of hate. " What website does he cite? Eh…. – Apart from the cheap Google Ads that keep popping up everyone in that website – A conspiracy theory website, It says that: "In the current modern age, we find the Muslims in a pit of darkness. The Muslims of today have adopted the ways of the enemy. They forbid the good and enjoin the forbidden." Oh… I see, you know how these evil new Moozlems adopted disbelief eh? That statement in itself is a contradiction in Sina's thinking, This website attests that it is against what most Muslims are with, More than that, It claims that Most Muslims are not Muslims at all!
Further More, This website states that: "One of the aspects of iman is al wala wal baraloving and hating for the sake of Allah Alone. It is one of the most important beliefs of Islam after Tawheed." After reading that, I was convinced that this was written by some 12-years old who is so mad about how others don't get the right Islam, What is iman? Iman is to believe in the beliefs described by God in Islam, What are the most important "beliefs of Islam"? The Quran itself says: http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/…
In fact, in the first book of Sahih Muslim: "Abu Huraira reported: One day the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appeared before the public that a man came to him and said: Prophet of Allah, (tell me) what is Iman. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) replied: That you affirm your faith in Allah, His angels, His Books, His meeting, His Messengers and that you affirm your faith in the Resurrection hereafter. " [Book #001, Hadith #0004] Yeah, Music is evil, too, according to that website: http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/islamicways/id2…. This convinced me more that the writer was, at his very best, a mad 13-years old who just seems to get Islam right.
I question another thing: How credible is that website in providing information about Islam and who is behind it? I have searched for about 15 minutes and found no information about the author or his credentials or his background, Can this author's words represent Islam? I am sure not, but after all, he is the real Moozlem who wants to conquer the world, you know, the REAL Muslim, that guy who is a part of THEM, This is the true Moozlem whom THEY don't want you to know,
"Are you so ignorant that you don't know that the majority of scientists who believe in God believe that evolution was the process by which it was created?" Evoulution is not creation. It has no intelligence guiding as is clear from all the exinct species (99.9% of them), dead planets and collapsing galaxy. Some design eh?
"the constant parade of fallacies you are ushering out." Its you who is using fallacies their is one (well 2 actually) just in this reponse alone.
So when was the last time you saw a square circle, a married bachelor or a highest number? You are simple talking nonsense.
My view is that if an Iranian or person of any other nationality were to emigrate from there to, say the USA, they would be emigrating FROM Iran at the same time as immigrating TO the USA. If they then in due course acquired US citizenship, then if they went back to Iran to live, they would be emigrating in the opposite direction, from US to Iran, (while at the same time immigrating to Iran from the US). But if they retained Iranian citizenship and then went back to Iran they would be simply returning home or repatriating. Or simply use 'migrate' to mean either em or imm.
Hope that makes sense!
Are you so ignorant that you don't know that the majority of scientists who believe in God believe that evolution was the process by which it was created?
It is really a waste of time to talk to someone as uninformed as you.
This information is additionally in the process of being challenged. I already gave you two links from Ann Coulter challenging the status quo. I'm not going to waste my time duplicating my efforts for you.
Talk about wiggle! You are the one who cannot stick to a fact-based paradigm. I don't know what your motives are, but you really have a chip on your shoulder that blinds you so badly that you cannot see the constant parade of fallacies you are ushering out.
No you cannot prove it logically. You can only make logical constructs that favor your outcome by rigging the givens.
Islam produces the most weakest, poorest, backward, underdeveloped, corrupt nations on the planet. Muslims come to the west for free houses, free health care and medicines, free education and books, free state handouts for their family of +10 kids, free to practice their religion. The majority of Muslim nations are on Western foreign aid handouts. Because the West is compassionate, merciful and charitable, unlike Islam.
Science is by its very nature uncertain. We can prove logically that God does not exist without having anything to do with science. Just like we can prove 2+2=4, their are no square circles, or married bachelors (for a few examples).
Faith is the acceptance of something as true without evidence or proof. Reason unlike faith, is based in evidence and logic. The 2 things are completly opposite one is emotionally based the other rationally. I did not disregard or slander people of faith who are brillant in their field like francis collins, but his faith has nothing to do with his scientific achievements.
Einstein said that it is not possible for science to prove that God does or does not exist. Do you think you are smarter than Einstein? Do you seriously think that I would take the opinion of someone on a web site comment section over Einstein? I know the rules of logic. Apparently you don't, or you wouldn't be saying the kinds of things you are saying.
Not needing reason when you have faith is just a plain and simple slander and disregards the internationally recognized professional accomplishments of thousands of thinking men and women of faith. I'm sorry. Your statement is just pure bigotry. There is no other word for it.
Immigrate is the fact of people moving into a country. Emigrate is the fact of leaving your country.
So you emigrated from Iran to immigrate into Canada.
If you return to Iran, you would be repatriating.
Emigrate does not quite express the idea. I emigrated from Iran. Will I be emigrating if I go back to Iran?
So, you studied logic, but you don`t know it becuse if you did you would know it is logically impossible for your god to exist.
"You haven't impressed me with anything you have said." I don`t doubt it, you are a religious man and like they say you don`t need reason when you have faith.
Clueless as usual.
I was studying logic while you were begging your mother to refill your bottle.
You haven't impressed me with anything you have said.
When the Constitutional Convention was mired down, Benjamin Franklin called them to pause and reminded them of the verse that says that except a house be built unto the Lord, they who build it build in vain.
Your new word – 'demigrate' – the one you made up as the opposite of immigrate, is nearly right; but the correct word is actually 'emigrate'.
Excellent article and good ideas, as usual.
It is clear that civilised societies had to shed religious absurdities to attain true human equality, relying on theological constitution would have produced a witch-hunting society literally, gays and women would not have fared well too, it is a great thing that enlightenment has truly dissipated the mythical interpretations of the world.
"Obviously you don't understand the difference between history and culture and the significance of the establishment clause." Nice try, but you can`t take back what you wrote. "No i did not write that, "no that not my god", "i did not argue that" and all these other pathetic excuses you come up with to try and wriggle out of it.
So if you had to teach evoultion, for example what would you do?
It would, if you knew what truth is.
You are an arrongant idiot, who thinks becuse he is educated, experienced, well-read, and professionally qualified, he is above the laws of logic, and he must always be right. It is said, that religion can make good people do evil but, what is not often said (and you are a perfect example of this) that it can make the most intelligent people say the most stupid things. So i don`t care how learned you may be, becuse your human like the rest of us, and you have no special right to talk nonsense.
"I agree,the US is not a Christian State" Good case closed. But this contradicts this statement "the United States was founded upon Biblical values".
No its not read this http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#god.
Yes, Richard. You are right . You can not separate the Ideology from the vehicles that convey that ideology. Even Dogs ostracize, attack and drive out Rabies infected dog to protect themselves from the mad dog's attack. Let Muslims not support the ideology of Mad dog which Islam is. Let Good Muslims come out of madness of Mohammad by self injecting the Alisina vaccine. let us hope that Humanity survives the 1400 year old disease.
"Why people want to be a part of a religion they don`t agree with?
You would not vote for a political party you don`t agree with. Why then would you "vote" for a religion you don`t believe in?"
Because of blood connection. Sidhoum wants to save his blood brothers even though they won't tolerate his atheism. He is taking shelter under a tree that gives shelter to all Isms and
lobbying to protect a Root borer parasite. The root borer is not denying it's basic trait. Sidhoum is. Sidhoum is not a responsible global citizen. If religion is about relating to GOD or attaining peace by peaceful means, no one will have any objection. Islam is no religion in this sense. It is inspired by Mohammad's lusty lower mind. Those who do not understand this are living in fools paradise.
"This is where I have a different view. My experience with most Muslims is about respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing. Ok! I am lucky because I do not live in Iran or Saudi Arabia."
Muslims, where ever they are in majority, do not give others any religious rights, not even basic rights.Historical as well as contemporary evidence is overwhelmingly against any soft judgement on Muslim mindset. However "respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing" that you find among Muslims is due to being out of power. You can be assured that they are more than loyal to their monster prophet and his mission of destroying Human values. Whenever they get a chance, their true face will come to light.
John Adam's letter to Zabdiel Adams (21 June 1776),gives us an honest persepective of his beliefs surrounding God & the Constitution.In it he makes several references to Christianity & his support of it.
Statesmen my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand…. The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a greater Measure, than they have it now, They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies. You cannot therefore be more pleasantly, or usefully employed than in the Way of your Profession, pulling down the Strong Holds of Satan. This is not Cant, but the real sentiment of my Heart. Remember me with much respect, to your worthy family, and to all Friends.
I agree,the US is not a Christian State but I have to add that although the alleged Article 11 of the Treaty is invalid and has no legal force & effect, it might still be of some value in understanding how the founders viewed the relationship between Christianity & the founding of the United States government. Yes the alleged Article 11 says the government of the United States is not founded upon the Christian religion.But then the government is not the nation & the government of the United States is not the same as the state and local governments.However the statement does not directly contradict my understanding that the United States was founded upon Biblical values that were brought to America largely by Christians.
I missed this one:"Here are examples from our Founding Fathers;" Most of whom were deists"
No,I'm positive they were all Christian except for maybe one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_…
Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin. A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.
Yes,the constitution uses many pagan words but "Our Lord" is is an affirmation of belonging/association with Jesus/Christianity.
When did I ever say that Christianity was the state religion. You need to learn to respond to what people say instead of what you think they say.
Obviously you don't understand the difference between history and culture and the significance of the establishment clause.
You are also a total idiot who does not understand the difference between an academic class and a Sunday School class. If you have the slightest notion that I would teach religion in a secular class, you really know absolutely NOTHING about life in the USA and should keep your mouth shut and stop talking about my country since you obviously know nothing about it and are not qualified to discuss it.
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Clearly you are clueless and know absolutely nothing about me. Knock off your shooting in the dark. You just embarrass yourself publicly with your ignorance.
Now you are starting to think You are a real rude case of the ignorant exalting themselves against the learned.
Hey john knows it all, no matter how much evidence his opponent may bring after all, his john k "I seriously doubt you are as well educated, experienced, well-read, and professionally qualified as I – maybe 10%." Average joes like me and you who have at best 10% the intelligence, education and experience of the master intellect that is john k. So how could we be so much as fit to polish his shoes, let alone beat him in a debate.
This John K always sees things through the teachings of the bible. Anything outside the Christian history and doctrines is wrong for him. Catch up John.
You continue to travesty historical facts in the hope of destroying the legacy of our Founding Fathers. I am not surprised to see John, the Tea Party member, repeating the lie from the ‘Christian Talibans or Christian fundamentalists or knight Templars that the US is a Christian State. Their objective is to distort history in their favour as to be able to argue that only Christians are to live and prosper in the land of the Braves.
Remember that the Tea Party and its members hate Atheists and would not hesitate to suppress our constitutional rights the same way they hate homosexuals. From hate comes mass murder.
Let’s make enlightenment on the subject:
When Adams signed the treaty of Tripoli, he added this statement to his signature "Now, be it known, that I, John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said treaty, do, by and within the consent of the Senate, accept, ratify and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof."
There is a difference between the US constitution and the Declaration of Independence (DOI) which refers to "the Creator”: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. However, unlike the US constitution, the DOI is not a legal document.
“What the Religious Right doesn't tell people, and what, tragically, many Americans apparently don't know, is that when it comes to determining what the laws of the United States mean, the only document that matters is the Constitution. The Constitution, a completely secular document, contains no references to God, Jesus or Christianity. It says absolutely nothing about the United States being officially Christian. The Religious Right's constant appeals to documents like the Declaration of Independence, which contains a deistic reference to "the Creator," cloud the issue and make some people believe their rights spring from these other documents”. Rob Boston
"Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly?" Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner on the Ten Commandments ruling, June 27, 2005
We will ensure that our Founding Fathers’ legacy prevail for the benefit of all Americans regardless their religious and political belief, their race or cultural background.
"I've read it & I discovered that Jesus is mentioned" As you yourself noted A.D means "Year of our lord". This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts.
So, the Constitution also uses many pagan words such as January (from the two-headed Roman god, Janus), and Sunday (from the word Sunne, which refers to the Saxon Sun god). Does that mean the US is a pagan nation?
Now who is making personal attacks?
"Your denigration of the role of Christianity in shaping the US shows that you are totally ignorant of US history." Christianity had no role, whatsoever in shaping the US as is clear in this "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
"You are also raising a straw man in arguing about a special place in the government, which is not what I said." So you did not write this "The US has been a Christian country, so don't even talk about anyone trying to "christianize" the country."
"If you showed up in my class with that kind of attitude, you would be booted out of class before I had a chance to flunk you for your poor academic performance. " You would not find me in your class, from someone who believes in adam and eve and joseph smith and virgin births, becuse i only want to learn facts you see not to be indoctrinated into religious bullshit. By the way, what did you think of the court ruling that I.D is a religious idea and not scientific? Teaching religious ideas, is unconstitutional, so how do you get around it?
Again does that mean christianity was the state religion? If it was a muslim writing "in the name of allah" would that mean america was under sharia?
Thanks for the supplemental materials.
Even if the Treaty of Tripoli was authentic which it's not ,then what's stopping christians from using an earlier treaty to validate the christian influence of the american constitution,like the Treaty of Paris (1783) which starts with…Declares the treaty to be "in the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity," states the bona fides of the signatories, and declares the intention of both parties to "forget all past misunderstandings and differences" and "secure to both perpetual peace and harmony."
the treaty of Tripoli that specifically says "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
Firstly,the Treaty of Tripoli is not a founding document & no longer in effect.
2ndly,there's no original copy of this document.The earliest english copy of the treaty was a translation from arabic by Joel Barlow (a christian apostate chaplain) .
Wikipedia says the following regarding the authenticity of the Treaty of tripoli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
The translation of the Treaty of Tripoli by Barlow has been found faulty, and there is doubt whether Article 11 in the English version of the treaty ratified by the U.S. Senate corresponds to anything of the same purport in the Arabic version.
In 1931 Hunter Miller completed a commission by the United States government to analyze United States' treaties and to explain how they function and what they mean to the United States' legal position in relationship with the rest of the world. According to Hunter Miller's notes, "the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic" and "Article 11… does not exist at all."
Nowhere in the United States Constitution is christianity mentioned read it for yourself…"
I've read it & I discovered that Jesus is mentioned
Article VII – Ratification
"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the SeventeenthDay of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty sevenand of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereofWe have hereunto subscribed our Names."
Did you catch it? Their work was done “in the Year of our Lord.” The Christian world dates all of human history in terms of the birth of Christ. “B.C.” means “before Christ,” and “A.D.” is the abbreviation for the Latin words “anno Domini,” meaning “year of our Lord.” If the Framers were interested in being pluralistic, multi-cultural, and politically correct, they would have refrained from using the B.C./A.D. designation. Or they would have used the religionless designations “C.E.,” Common Era, & “B.C.E.,” Before the Common Era
According to the website http://indianatheists.com/ only 6% of the indian population considers itself as atheists,not to be confused with hindu atheists,a title which is despised by those atheists actively promoting rational thinking in India.It's no secret that Hinduism has done great damage to the vast majority of people of India with the Vedas and smritis being the inspiration behind the discrimination and inhumane treatments.
Manu smriti 8:359.A man who is not a Brahmana ought to suffer death for adultery (samgrahana); for the wives of all the four castes even must always be carefully guarded.
Vishnu smriti 5:43. He who has had connection with a woman of one of the lowest castes, shall be put to death.
Rg Veda 10:CLX:4 4 He looks with Ioving favour on the mortal who, like a rich man, pours for him the Soma.Maghavan in his bended arm supports him:he slays, unasked, the men who hate devotion.
Atharva Veda 12:4:28 He who hath heard her verses and still makes her roam among his kine.The Gods in anger rend away his life and his prosperity
Rg Veda 4:17:7 Moreover, when thou first wast born,O Indra, thou struckest terror into all the people.
Bhagavata Purana SB:4:4:17 Sati continued: If one hears an irresponsible person blaspheme the master and controller of religion, one should block his ears and go away if unable to punish him.
But if one is able to kill, then one should by force cut out the blasphemer's tongue and kill the offender, and after that one should give up his own life.
Manu 8:322. For (stealing) more than fifty (palas) it is enacted that the hands (of the offender) shall be cut off; but in other cases, let him inflict a fine of eleven times the value.
Atharva Veda 10:1:17 As wind the trees, so smite and overthrow them:leave not cow,horse,or man of them surviving Return,O Krityā,unto those who made thee.Wake them from sleep to find that they are childless.
Laws of Manu 8:413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.
414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?
You should take a compliment from an idiot as an insult.
No, you haven't owned anything at all. Your posts are amateurish self-serving rants that are devoid of substance.
Your denigration of the role of Christianity in shaping the US shows that you are totally ignorant of US history. The things you say make it look like you haven't even read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. You dismiss all the data I gave you with the word "Deist" as if you are some kind of Merlin that can change everything with a magic word. Abracadabra! There, see? Everything has changed. Now the world is as you want it and no one can dare dispute anything you say. You are truly a powerful magician and the masses will fear your power.
You are also raising a straw man in arguing about a special place in the government, which is not what I said. Your immature ramblings are not worthy of the time it takes to read them.
Example? Read your posts.
And lose your stinking attitude. If you showed up in my class with that kind of attitude, you would be booted out of class before I had a chance to flunk you for your poor academic performance.
Haven`t i? You came up with some baloney about christianity having a special place in the US goverment, i then showed you a quote from the treaty of Tripoli that specifically says "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" or perhaps you know better than the president of the united states? The deist site has also written a rebuttel to this nonsense http://www.deism.com/deistamerica.htm. Nowhere in the United States Constitution is christianity mentioned read it for yourself http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html. So please stop talking BS and search the facts. Becuse your religion has no special place in the US goverment, and never has done.
"If you don't care about me, why the attacks on me?" what attacks on you, give me 1 example.
"No one can destroy the religion of more than one billion people with a history of 1500 years of history"
All Muslims are mini Ravanas or carriers of Ravana genes. ( the Ravana of epic Ramayana). Mohammad may attain the post of Ravana in the future Tretayuga and be killed by Rama. Meanwhile he has created these Mini Ravanas hell bent on abducting other's wives, sisters & daughters. If we have to retain our Human values we have no option other than destroying this Religion of abductions & Rapes. A billion or trillion shouldn't make a difference to our resolve.
The moment these very same Muslims attain majority or get stronger than you, they do not hesitate to murder a trillion Kafirs and perform a billion billion rapes.
I could care less about what so-called enlightened 25 thinks. You are doing exactly the same thing that he does, which is make assumptions about what I think without having the slightest clue. This, of course, is a sign that the rest of your thinking is similarly sloppy and really not worth anyone's time to even think about. You also share his low standards of evidence and proof.
You haven't owned anything. If you don't care about me, why the attacks on me?
Huh, since when barbaric aryans have started talking about kindness ?
Stop it, your making me blush.
John, Enlightened 25 is quite sharp in his argumentation. Obviously, he does not like religion and surrender his critical thinking to a God or his/her/its representative.
You would have preferred to see Enlightened 25 on your side preaching that the true religion is Christianity.
Moreover, he is totally right that our founding fathers were Deists like Voltaire: "I I cannot think of a clock without a clock-maker".
However, they were very suspicious and cautious about religious establishment, given history of Europe. This is why they made a secular constitution to prevent religious tyranny. Clever men indeed! knowing what we know now they would probably be closer to Enlightenment25's view that yours.
Have you been paying attention to anybody’s comments here?
Please read and understand the article Why Only Attack Islam and The Illusion Of Reforming Islam also Sina’s debate with Edip Yuksel. Please look up the term enlightenment age while you’re at it.
hi sidhoum,you may not be agree with Ali sina,that`s your choice. But,don`t you know how we live in a country which mostly moslem? it`s pretty hard for those who`re not moslems. most of them were pretty fanatics. hate dogs,when they saw dogs,they`ll beat or throw rocks. and lately,in Indonesia u`ll see one mass organization a.k.a FPI( Islamic Defender Front) which show the brutal ways Just like in Cikeusik Incident when they kill the Ahmadiah members. Try to browse FPI/Front Pembela Islam. hope u`ll find the truth wherever u`re
"Aren't you smug." Well yes becuse i owned all of your arugments and all you can do is talk about how i don`t know you, why the hell would i care about you?
"Do you have a police report implicating God in a murder? Was he convicted by a jury trial?" No becuse he does not exist. But if he really did exist he would have to stand trial for crimes against humanity (if we could capture him, it took us 10 years just to get bin laden, so god knows, how long it would take to capture God.)
"I hope your wife doesn't know that you are more interested in pleasure than honoring your vows to her." If i was more interested in pleasuring other women, beside my wife i would not be a hypocrite and take vows i know i am not going to keep.
Aren't you smug. But you don't really know anything about what I do or don't know.
I wasn't teaching my religion to you.
Do you have a police report implicating God in a murder? Was he convicted by a jury trial?
So you don't care about morality. I hope your wife doesn't know that you are more interested in pleasure than honoring your vows to her.
"Here are examples from our Founding Fathers;" Most of whom were deists, bet you didn`t know that did you john? Though in fairness many of them had the same view of jesus as ali sina, they thought he was a good moral teacher but did not accept he was divine. I think you should read the Jefferson bible, were he cuts out all refernces to supernatural miracles.
"Where's your leftist tolerance and multi-culturalism?" I said i will tolerate (or rather not talk about it), your religion as long as you you don`t teach it to me. If for some reason you cannot agree to that, then i will keep attacking your religion.
"Plus you're doing a lot of stereotyping making a lot of generalizations about me. " Where did i say anything about you?
"Are you just desperate to believe there is no God so you can live a life of hedonism instead of morality and responsibility?" Haha, this is funny, what about God`s responsiblity for all the millions of children he murders each year? Also i would rather enjoy the pleasures of this life and not waste my life dreaming about some imaginary world beyond the grave.
Let’s briefly gather some facts:
•The National Liberation Front of Tripura (or NLFT) is a terrorist Christian organisation with the agenda of establishing the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura. They have forced and killed hundreds of Indus who refuse to convert to Christianity.
•The Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA) is another terrorist group
•Breivik has self-described as a "Christian crusader". From words to killing, it is a question of time. History has plenty of bloody religious crimes:
•Crusades. A reaction of expansion of Islam? Possibly given these 2 faiths have replaced old empires (Rome and Perse) to compete and rage cosmic war with religious symbols. Yet, crusades were a total failure with the killings of not only Muslims but also Jews and Orthodox Christians.
•Reformation in England did not go peacefully. Even Thomas More, the great philosopher who was supposed to be a man of principles went too far with his belief, burning new Christians of that time called Protestants. He could not bear the fact that the Christian faith could be challenged and deviate from the official line.
•The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre has been estimated between 5000 and 30000 deaths. Protestants have never forgotten that day, deeply convicted that Catholicism is an evil religion.
•Inquisition with all the persecutions not only against the Jews but also any suspected man or woman of heresy
•Holocaust : "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter…How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison…" –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
So it is not surprising that John Adams said the following: “… Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! Horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years”.
Or Voltaire: “Our religion is without a doubt the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and the most bloody to ever infect the world”.
I can also easily list crimes from Muslims for the last 1500 years: the slaughtering of indigenous populations during Islamic conquests, slavery in mass, terrorist acts 1993 and 09/11 and again now.
Of course, I can quote authors such as Sina regarding the evil character of Islam.
Yet, Muslims or Christians are not to be blamed for the acts of psychopaths who use religious symbols or writings to their advantages. Beyond imagination, Sunnis have been fighting hand in hand with Americans against Jihadists. There have been Muslims denouncing radicals to authorities and preventing terrorists’ acts and Islamic State fighting radicals with no mercy.
If really Muslims or Christians were to follow respectively the Koran or the Bible to the letter, the world would be upside down with thousands of crimes on behalf of religion. Hence, reducing a religion to its writings is like the tree hiding the forest.
It will take time for Islam beyond the Koran and Hadiths to adapt to modernity. It was born in the 7th century, so more than 600 years after the birth of Christ. It has not completed his cycles of reformation yet. Islam is capable of that, despite pro and anti-Islamic scholars’ views that Islam cannot reform itself. Islam has its source from the Christian and Judaic faith, having read the Koran and the Bible. Hence, it would slowly settle down. It is even possible that the Baha’i faith may take over.
I am Jew; I am Christian; I am Muslim; I am Buddhist; I am Indus; I am Atheist.
I suggest you to read more such as:
Juergensmeyer, Global Rebellion: Religious Challenges to the Secular State and Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence.
V.J. Stenger. God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist
Reza. No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam
What's with all the hostility? Where's your leftist tolerance and multi-culturalism?
Oh! That only means everyone else has to tolerate you! You don't have to tolerate anyone who is different from you, do you?
Plus you're doing a lot of stereotyping making a lot of generalizations about me. You haven't interviewed me to find out my ideas, and you are not going to pidgeon-hole me into one of your pre-conceived boxes.
Or is it just about sex? Are you just desperate to believe there is no God so you can live a life of hedonism instead of morality and responsibility?
Wrong answer. Your leftist bigotry and theophobia are showing:
We celebrate a rich Judeo-Christian heritage which is the foundational premise upon which America was birthed and exists today…sorry Mr President, you got it wrong!
Here are examples from our Founding Fathers;
Washington: “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and Soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
John Adams: “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
Jefferson: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of people that these liberties are of the Gift of God?…..I tremble for my Country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
Hancock: Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual….Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which Heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”
Patrick Henry: It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
"The US has been a Christian country" I think it is you you should read the history this is a quote from the treaty of Tripoli "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,". This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. Keep your religion away from me, don`t teach it to me, don`t tell me who i can and can not have sex with. Don`t teach pseudo science to children. Most importantly of all keep it out of the goverment. If you do that, then i will not talk about your religion, if not i will fight against you and your religion in anyway i can.
My goodness! What kind of a comment is that? Do you live in the US? If so, you must be very young and didn't pay attention in your US History class. The US has been a Christian country, so don't even talk about anyone trying to "christianize" the country. There is far more concern about the leftists trying to secularize the country, beside the concern about Islamizing the country. As Geert Wilders said, the problem is that the churches are emptying out and the mosques are filling up.
"Israel is a Jewish state" Israel is not a "jewish" state at least not in the religious sense. Yes the US is secular, of course the christians do not like it becuse they would prefer that the laws of the US to be based on the bible. Why you think they want to teach creationism (or I.D as they try to disguise it as), that is just their first to step to try and christianise the country.
That's not true. Israel is a Jewish state and there is none of this practiced in Israel. The US is getting more and more secular, but was founded in a heavily Christian environment.
I do not think thats a good arugment at all. The christians, jews and hindus do not practice those things becuse they have been pushed back by secularism, not becuse their`s been some great reform in those religions.
Bible contains many evil teachings like Quran, Manu Smriti,etc but the only difference is Jews, Christians and Hindus do not practice barbaric laws in these scriptures while Muslims uphold the barbaric laws of Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.
I) Good job posting all the evil teachings from the Bible. But tell me Sidhoum, when was the last time you saw christians and jews practicing those teachings? When was the last time you saw some xtian/jews killiing a homosexual or an adulterer? When was the last time you saw them checking people for marks and killing the ones who do not have marks? Or practicing slavery?
II) "Sina is right: ‘Breivik is no better than Bin Laden’. Breivik does not represent Christians and Bin Laden does not represent Muslims."
I notice you are manipulating and distorting words the same way taqiyya practicing muslims do. When Mr. Sina put Breivik in the same category as Bin Laden, he was mentioning it in terms of how little humanity they had in them and how much evil they were capable of.
You are right. Breivik does not represent Christians. Now, whether Bin Laden represents muslims can be debated. However, Bin Laden DOES represent ISLAM. Whatever he did has been in accordance with what Islam expects from its followers. He himself quoted from the Quran and made it clear that whatever he was doing was because he was a good follower. All it takes for one is to look, and it is clear that the radical muslims claim to base their actions on Islam.
So what's your point? Are you an expert in Judaic jurisprudence? Why aren't you working as a judge in an Israeli court?
Unfortunately, Crimes are also prescribed in the bible. Just a few:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse. (1 Peter 2:18 NAB)
Sina is right: ‘Breivik is no better than Bin Laden’. Breivik does not represent Christians and Bin Laden does not represent Muslims.
Islam and Christianity are profoundly and essentially the product of human nature. Is human nature evil? No. Imperfect, inconsistent and irrational probably!
"So everyone, by the highest right of Nature, judges what is good and what is evil, considers his own advantage according to his own temperament… “Spinoza.
Islam is the only religion that teach its followers to kill unbelievers indiscriminately and radical i.e true Muslims are following this instruction and commit terrorist acts in world. All religions are false but no religion except Islam is a terrorist religion.
I) Regarding atheists I want to inform you that Ali has himself pointed out in many of his earlier articles that they (atheists) too can be very closed-minded people. I have confirmed this from my own dealings with the atheists. Therefore, just because someone is an atheist does not automatically mean that we should treat them only as very wise and intelligent people.
II) You say your "experience with most Muslims is about respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing". So tell me why all the Islamic countries are in the crappy state that they are? Why are there no-go zones in muslim heavy areas in Europe? Where are all the nice muslims (like your friends) in those societies? Where do the radical muslims come from? I would really like to know your take on it. (who knows, maybe your explaination is the most correct)
Breivik’s criminal acts were not endoreced by anti Islam movement. It was an act of insanity committed by an evil man. His main goal was to self agrandize and to be remembered. Of course he thought he would be remembered as a hero. But he will be remembered as a criminal no better than hisilk Mac Veigh and Osama Bin Laden. However the cimes of Muslim terrorists is all perscribed in the Quran.
Just because you are trying to disprove Islam you do not need to blame it for Breivik's brutal deeds.
I am an Atheist but blaming Islam for every terrorist attack is simply preposterous and unfair. Religions are all false. But blaming all the bad deeds onto one chosen religion portrays your biased views.
Of course it's vain. You cannot expect your baseless claims to be accepted by people who are knowledgeable on the subject.
Really? Now please show me that these concepts (respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing) – according to Sidhoum are indeed Islamic view to people that are non-muslims. Because, as far as i know, these concepts are only valid among muslim themselves. If you can’t do that, that means both you and Sidhoum are the ones being unreasonable or should i say deluded.
Save your breath, Sidhoum, save your breath.
Any attempt to reason with those, is in vain.
They are stampede.
“My experience with most Muslims is about respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing”.
What makes you think your experience matters? What matters is Islam itself. Fyi, respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing are alien concepts in Islam.
That is why you need to learn Islam. So that way you are fully informed before saying something about it. All world leaders should. So that way, politically-correct leftist fools are eradicated also. They are the largest in numbers and the most effective pawns in Islamic onslaught against humanity.
You agree that Islam is evil but still defend it and find fault with Ali's stated goal of destroying this barbaric ideology. Your weird character is just beyond me.
Fail no such words exist you stupid slave. But that should be your name- enslaved.
You've picked a wrong name for yourself.
The more matching names are: endarken, endestruction, endisaster,
@Sidhoun "You have highlighted that the problem is not Muslims but Islam. Yet, when reading your articles and comments, I cannot see that clear distinction."
Of course the problem is with Islam. But the vehicles that convey that ideology are believers. It may not be the fault of a person indoctrinated from youth to believe in a dangerous and murderous belief system. But when he practices that ideology then they become the problem.
This extracting of Muslims from the ideology is a difficult process. The only way is education and debate but Islam counters this with threats, intimidation and violence.
"Racism, anti-Semitism or islamophobia contribute to more hatred against your fellow human beings"
Okay, let's see now. Do 1.2 billion people believe in Ali Sina's book? Nah, don't think so. Do they believe in Quran-al-Majheed? Yup, got that right. Okay, do they believe in only parts of the Quran and don't believe some of the verses? Nope, not so – they believe in ALL OF THE QURAN.
Okay, does the Quran say "Muslims are as supreme as Hindus, Christians, Atheists & Jews" – not that I know of. Does the Quran say "Muslims are the best of creation" – yup, it says so. Does the Quran say Muslims are Pigs, Monkeys & other assorted animals? Nope. Does it say Jews are Pigs, Monkeys – yup, it does.
Does Islam preach tolerance – when someone attacks you, tolerate it? Nope. Does it preach "An eye for an eye" (or kill a male if a male from your family is killed or take blood-money) – yup, it does so. Actually, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN granted release to one Mr. Raymond Davies because the families of the men Mr. Davies *MURDERED* (although he claims it was in self-defense and those men were robbers), accepted BLOOD-MONEY. Another case in point – Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KSA actually lists down the value of life for various classification of people. The life of a Hindu women is worth 33 times lesser than the life of a Muslim man.
Does Islam preach EQUALITY? In the land of the 2 moskes, we know that Women aren't even allowed to have a driver's license. Well, if that's equality, then Ku Klux Klan & Nazis were the greatest peace-loving tolerant groups in the history of man-kind.
You remind me of ostrich – putting their heads in the sand & assuming the whole world is hunky-dory. Keep this same gandhian-stupidity of TOLERANCE (especially tolerating the intolerant) and you'll aid & abet religious fanatics of all kinds – because you will not attack the passive, silent majority that make regular zakat payments which in turn fund those Islamic fanatics.
"No one can destroy the religion of more than one billion people with a history of 1500 years of history"
In the 1930s you would have said the same about nazism and fascism, "Oh no we cant destroy the ideology og so many people and their love for the Fuhrer" In the 50-60-70-80s the same about communism.
We can and we must!!! The future of humanity depends upon it. There will be no peace and prosperity if islam continues on, only eternal war! The muslims must be set free from this bloody system of lies that has kept them in brutal submission for more than a 1000 years.
They shall hear the truth and the truth shall set them free!
"I have tried to share your website with some of my Muslim acquaintances. But the only thing they said to me is the arrogance of your writings "
So you are telling me after reading Ali's proof that islam is garbage and mohammad is criminal, all they told you was that Sina's article are arrogant ? It is attacking the writer instead of contents of the articles . What was their answer that Mohammad was a pedophile? What was their answer that Mohammad was a looter? Was was their answer that Mohammad was mentally sick , etc,,,,
I guess they can not contradict that , easiest way to escape , is to attack the personality of the writer.
"I am not your enemy unless you harm a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim or an Atheist". That depends on your definition of "harm" according to you by me critisising islam (or any religion)i am harming them emotionally. If that is your definition then you are my enemy. "Yet, any individual has the right to express his opinion, practice his faith and live in peace and prosperity." Thats not true the person who believes it his right to persecute non-believers, homosexuals, adultaries and non-married couples and all the rest. Then those people need to be stoped by force to defend the freedom of the rest of us. " I will always defend the sick, the elderly, the child, the minority and so on for the sake of a healthy democracy." If want to defend the minorities then why are trying to restrict my freedom of speech? I don`t know what the figures are but i am guessing even in many western countries anti-islam and anti-religion people are in the minority so why are you not defending my right?
"Every argument is good as long as there are no insults." I don`t see anything wrong with insults as long as their is a good arugment with it. And no not all arugments are good many are nothing but insults or logical fallacies.
"Muslims are like you. They want to live in peace and prosperity, except a few psychopaths." "Muslims" believe in islam and while they do words like peace and prosperity mean very different things to them they do to me. They are not just a few psychopaths these are the people who follow mo and islam to the letter. What should we expect from people who believe a psychopath is the example for all humanity for all time?
“My criticism of Islam is rational”.
Yes, I confirm your criticism of Islam is rational based on research and readings. For that I salute you. I can say one thing. Keep it up!
However, I cannot subscribe your conclusion and your approach because your agenda is about destruction. One thing I learn in life is when someone wants destruction and pretends he has the truth, it brings more destruction and hatred. If your idea is about education and making Muslims think that Islam provides no benefits, then I am with you. You have highlighted that the problem is not Muslims but Islam. Yet, when reading your articles and comments, I cannot see that clear distinction. Sometimes you just charge Muslims for all sorts of problems as if they were not responsible as individuals. If you denounce Islam as a corrupted ideology, that is ok with me. But if you create hatred and confuse people, especially a few psychopaths who are ready to strike against innocent people, then this is extremism. If a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim or an Atheist is attacked by anyone because of their faith, my reaction would be: I am a Jew; I am a Christian; I am a Muslim; I am an atheist.
“This is not about race. It is about social condition”.
That is great. I thought you were not a leftist. I would say this is close to leftist thinking. But I am glad to hear that. There are many people from the right wing that consider this analysis as Marxist. Socio-demographic conditions determine the social status of an individual or a group, and not the opposite. I completely agree with you.
“Accusing Muslims of becoming more violent if they follow their religion is a fact. The evidence is in the book that they follow.”
This is where I have a different view. My experience with most Muslims is about respect, non-violence, solidarity and sharing. Ok! I am lucky because I do not live in Iran or Saudi Arabia.
I have tried to share your website with some of my Muslim acquaintances. But the only thing they said to me is the arrogance of your writings. They asked me the following question: “why should we abandon our faith when we feel happy that way and do not harm anyone? Look brother! Your sister is married with a Jew. Did we say anything against? We accept him as a brother and do not mix politics and religion with love. Look at your father when he used to tell us about Islam and the madness of our prophet. We always respect him as a man of honour, despite his words against the prophet. Yes, we never understand the love of your mother for him, given she was a devout Muslim…”
So you see…I do not know what you are talking about. I had a harsh discussion with an Atheist telling me that religion is bad in essence; therefore, we should destroy all religions. I asked him: “why destroying? Is this going to resolve all problems around the world? He was angry at me because I could not agree with him, despite being Atheist. I had been thinking about his violent statement. So I asked his relative why he hated so much religion. I was told that he was sexually abused by a priest when he was young”. I could not say anymore, given the emotional situation.
I believe we should look through the past and see what History tell us, so we can avoid making the same irreparable mistakes. No one can destroy a religion of more than one billion people with a history of 1500 years. We need to focus on education. Time will take its pace and I am convinced that humankind will overcome its fear towards achieving a world of peace and prosperity.
This is my dream and my mission.
Stay calm my friend! This is just a debate about Islam. Every argument is good as long as there are no insults.
You are neither evil nor racist; you are just ill-informed. Muslims are like you. They want to live in peace and prosperity, except a few psychopaths.
Anyway! I am not your enemy unless you harm a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim or an Atheist. I dislike Islam or any religion that want me to surrender my critical thinking. Yet, any individual has the right to express his opinion, practice his faith and live in peace and prosperity. I will always defend the sick, the elderly, the child, the minority and so on for the sake of a healthy democracy.
I just hope you are not another Breivik.
Islam is just evil crap!
In islam you worship a criminal, no more no less, and try to make the criminal rules he made universal. I mean come on, how brainwashed will you allow yourself to be?
I live in Europe and I tell you that the most muslims here are filled with hate, just like in other parts of the world. They are not yet powerful enough to grasp for real power, but they want it ohh so badly.
I know most muslims to be hatemongering idiots, all because of their devotion to islam. I have talked to ex-muslims and they tell you that the hate goes so deep in the islamic mindset that it is almost unbelievable.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it”. Voltaire"
My "favorite" quote:
"He who takes a step back does not take a step forward" – Yogi Bear
If you want to refute someone defeat their arugments don`t attack them personally. If you want to call me a racist, "islamophobe" or evil then evil, racist and islamphobe i am. Love your own damn enemies don`t love mine. I consider you my enemie becuse you think you can tell me what to say and think, well fock you, fock islam and fock anyone who believes in it and especially those that don`t believe in it yet still defend it. By the way i hate my enemies and will fight against anyone who thinks they can tell me what to say and think.
Sina's tactic is simply to tell the truth. You said that you don't believe this tactic will work, then you acknowledge that muslims truly never listen.
Chiulo-ruiz, you, me, and all the other readers of FFI and this site know well that whatever the attitude, mr. Sina's intention is to help muslims realize the true nature of Islam (evil nature that is), and convince them to leave it. Now since our egos are not important for the success of this undertaking, so if a different attitude works, we should be happy to practice it.
Now I am not very good at talking nice to people but I'll try in this case, and make an attempt to convince Ahmed politely –
Ahmed, please try to understand that when you believe in Islam, it isn't only the kafirs that suffer, yourself and your own loved ones suffer too. They do not get to see life for what it truly is. Therefore, please read the quran, study the sunnah, and ditch this evil cult. Pleeeeeze.
I hope that this attitude of saying the truth is polite enough, Ahmed. If not, please tell us how we can make it better. Would politer fonts work?
Yes, either sarcasm or a weak try at comedy. It is not what you said but how you said it!
My criticism of Islam is rational. However religion and particular Islam is emotional. So it affects the believer on an emotional level. This is the nature of the faith. Nothing I can do about it. It would have been ideal if people could approach their religion with the same emotional detachment that they approach science. But that is not how faith works.
Yes my goal is to destroy Islam and I will find everything that is wrong with it. Am I biased? You bet I am. How can I be indifferent when I see Islam as the most dangerous threat to human civilization and responsible for the death of millions and the misery of billions? I am biased but not prejudiced. Everything I say is backed by facts and evidence.
The question about Islam is not the same as existence or inexistence of God. This comparison is a fallacy. The belief or disbelief in God does not make people bad or good. But the belief in Islam makes good people do evil things. Although it is not possible to disprove the existence of God, it is very easy to show Muhammad was a psychopath cult leader. The two subjects are not related. Muslims keep bringing up the subject of God. That is not what we talk about. It is irrelevant to my claim that Muhammad was an impostor evil man.
You say “there are hundreds of facts that lead to the conclusion that black people are criminogenic.” Really? What are those facts? There is not such fact. There are hateful lies and propaganda made up by bigoted brain damaged racists. There are no facts showing any race is more criminally inclined. Facts say that there is only one human race and thousands of ethnicities. Now it is a fact that blacks in America are represented more per capita in prisons than other ethnicities. This is not because of their race but because of their social condition. When family is undermined, promiscuity is condoned and young girls give birth, fatherless children grow in conditions that subject them to a life of crime and street gang. This is not about race. It is about social condition.
Accusing blacks of being more prone to crime is a fallacy. It is a lie. But accusing Muslims of becoming more violent if they follow their religion is a fact. The evidence is in the book that they follow. Their book tells them to hate the non-Muslims, to not take them as friends, to fight them and kill them. And they believe these are words of God. And you say all these hate teachings in the Quran has no effect on Muslims?
Please do not equate religion with race. There is no evidence that any race is more criminal. But there is ample evidence that some religions are dangerous and evil. Why would the followers of Shoko Asahara gas innocent commuters in the subways of Tokyo? Those who committed this crime were ordinary people. Among them was Dr. Ikuo Hayashi, a renowned physician. He had joined the cult of Asahara in the hope to find a way to cure people not just physically but also spiritually. He ended up becoming a mass murderer because of the evil teachings of Asahara.
Islam makes good people do evil things. It must be eradicated. This is not hate against Muslims who are victims of this lie. In fact it is a work of love. Those who don’t care about Muslims and prefer to see them continue in this state of ignorance should question their humanity. There is something morally wrong with them and not with me who wants to set Muslims free.
Those who think there is nothing wrong with Islam and it is divine are simply misguided. But what about people who agree that Islam is morally wrong and violent and still defend it? You amaze me. You agree that Islam is morally worng and violent but still defend it. This makes you siding with wrong on a conscious level.
Things are either facts or nonsenses. If you agree with immoral and violent aspects of islam, then Mr. Sina is right .That is all he is saying , islam is immoral and vioent that's it .
Although I do agree about some immoral and violent aspects of Islam, having read it, the problem with your approach is the emotional aspect of your work. So you have a mission of destroying Islam, therefore you are trying to find and investigate all sorts of facts to prove your claim. Hence, this is your interpretation of the facts that is biased (Ref. previous debates).
They are hundred of facts that lead to the conclusion that God does not exist. However, I can only say: I believe that there is no God.
There are hundred of facts that could lead to the conclusion that black people are criminogenic. Just read non-sense theory of white supremacists!
How many times we have headlines about crimes committed by a group with a focus on color or faith or national origin rather than on individuals.
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter…How terrific was His fight for the world against the Muslim poison…" Adolf Sina
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Muslim." Adolf Sina (the new Mein Kampf).
Extrapolated facts, generalized claims and stigmatized community would lead to more division and hatred. The focus should be on fighting radicalism and fanatism.
Being born in a country where liberty and equality are fundamental values, I would not hesitate to fight for the protection of minorities and the advocacy of human rights.
Racism is man’s gravest threat to man- the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason” (Abraham J. Heschel)
“The glory of this land has been its capacity for transcending the moral evils of our past. For example, the long struggle of minority citizens for equal rights, once a source of disunity and civil war is now a point of pride for all Americans. We must never go back. There is no room for racism, anti Semitism, or other forms of ethnic and racial hatred in this country”. Ronald Reagan
Racism, anti-Semitism or islamophobia contribute to more hatred against your fellow human beings, therefore more division of the human family.
Anyway! I am quite sure that if we were all the same (color, religion, language), we would find pretexts or facts to justify fighting and hatred.
Take care my friend!
He acknowledged that this “might sound hypocritical considering the fact that cultural conservatives in general oppose Indian or Chinese membership in [the] WTO and the fact that we generally prefer in-sourcing as many industries as possible. However, conserving our funds is a central part of our struggle.”
Even though Breivik's Knights would fight shoulder to shoulder with Hindu nationalists, his vision for their rights in a post-revolutionary Europe is limited. The manifesto envisages the creation of a “servant class,” made up of non-Muslim individuals from Bangladesh, Pakistan and India.
“During their stay,” the manifesto envisages, “they will work 12 hours a day for the duration of their contracts (6 or 12 months) and are then flown back to their homelands.” “These individuals,” it goes on, “will live in segregated communities in pre-defined areas of each major city.”
goal of Indian Hindu nationalists were identical to Justiciar Knights, Anders Breivik claimed
Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik hailed India's Hindu nationalist movement as a key ally in a global struggle to bring down democratic regimes across the world.
‘2083: A European declaration of independence' lays out a road map for a future organisation, the Justiciar Knights, to wage a campaign that will graduate from acts of terrorism to a global war involving weapons of mass destruction — aimed at bringing down what Breivik calls the “cultural Marxist” order.
India figures in a remarkable 102 pages of the sprawling 1,518-page manifesto. Breivik's manifesto says his Justiciar Knights “support the Sanatana Dharma movements and Indian nationalists in general.” In section 3.158 of the manifesto, he explains that Hindu nationalists “are suffering from the same persecution by the Indian cultural Marxists as their European cousins.”
The United Progressive Alliance government, he goes on, “relies on appeasing Muslims and, very sadly, proselytising Christian missionaries who illegally convert low caste Hindus with lies and fear, alongside Communists who want total destruction of the Hindu faith and culture.”
Even though Hindus who are living abroad “get an eagle's view of what's happening in India, Indian Hindu residents don't see it being in the scene.”
Breivik's manifesto applauds Hindu groups who “do not tolerate the current injustice and often riot and attack Muslims when things get out of control,” but says, “this behaviour is nonetheless counterproductive.”
“Instead of attacking the Muslims, they should target the category A and B traitors in India and consolidate military cells and actively seek the overthrow of the cultural Marxist government.”
“It is essential that the European and Indian resistance movements learn from each other and cooperate as much as possible,” he concludes. “Our goals are more or less identical.”
Breivik lists the websites of the Bharatiya Janata Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the National Volunteers' Organisation, the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad as resources for further information.
The manifesto pledges military support “to the nationalists in the Indian civil war and in the deportation of all Muslims from India.” This is part of a larger campaign to “overthrow of all western European multiculturalist governments” and evict “U.S. military personnel on European soil.”
India is one of several countries — including Russia, the Philippines, China and Thailand — where Breivik hopes his successors will fight.
He uses the work of historians K.S. Lal and Shrinandan Vyas to point to the threat posed by Islam to Europe, saying their work has established that millions of Hindus were killed in a genocide during 1000-1525 AD. N.S. Rajaram, another historian, is quoted as saying India's “political class have been so debilitating that they continue to live in a state of constant fear.”
Breivik's manifesto envisages that this future organisation would hand out a “multi-cultural force medal,” which would be awarded for “military cooperation with nationalist Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish and/or atheist forces (non-European) on Hindu, Buddhist or Jewish territory. These efforts must be directed against Jihadi or cultural Marxist forces, personnel or interests.”
The medals would include a “Liberation of India Service Medal,” which would be awarded for “assisting Indian nationalist forces to drive out Islam from Indian territory.”
Breivik's Indian-made combat badges, revealed by The Hindu as having been contracted to a workshop in Varanasi, were the first in this series of battle decorations.
His manifesto acknowledges that lives will be lost in the war, and calls for the organisation to “provide and subsidise a standard edition of the Justiciar Knight tombstone” for those who fell in battle.
Since a “European tombstone carver, preferably specialised in traditional tombstone architecture, is likely to charge more than 5000-10000 Euro in order to create the stone,” Breivik suggested that “producers in low-cost countries should be contacted for the task of creating one or multiple stones in the future.”
ha ha That was sarcasm, right?
Monalisa, there is a difference between hating people and hating an ideology. Mr. Sina only hates this ideology called Islam. I have been reading his articles for years and I assure you he sees muslims as victims of this evil ideology. He does not hate them as people, and he has pointed this out many many times.
I understand that we in the non-muslim societies are all taught not to hate, but we have failed to properly learn the 'Do Not Hate' concept. It is 'living beings' that we should not hate. Nothing bad happens when we hate ideologies. Are you indifferent to Nazism, monalisa, or does it evoke some feelings in you? What feelings are those – love or hate towards nazism?
Your mother is a good person not because of Islam but despite of it. If she followed Muhammd to the tee should become a very evil person. Examples abound.
“Yet, I believe that Islam is not evil because interpretation varies from yesterday to tomorrow, ”
You believe? Your belief is irrelevant. We are talking facts. The facts are stated in the Quran and in the biography of Muhammad. That man was evil to the core. You need to get your facts together before believing in anything.
Who cares about how Muslims interpret Islam and how many of them are good decent people. We are talking about what Muhammad said and did.
"Yesterday, Voltaire was saying: “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world”." Voltaire was right in saying christianity is ridiculous, absurd whether it is the most ridiculous, absurd or bloody is debatable.
"So let’s fight extremism from all sides and attempt to help people think by themselves rather than from books that have obviously been written by disturbed men." So what you`re saying is you`re religion is fine and good but by the way the men who wrote those books were mentally sick? In your last paragraph you said islam should be kept alive for some reason why? Is it becuse we might hurt the feelings of some muslims. Tough shit its time they grew out of this evil nonsense.
By the sound of it your father is not a muslim. And why would people want to kill you? Is it becuse muhammed said whoever leaves islam kill him? Or has that got nothing to do with it?
"Yet, I believe that Islam is not evil because interpretation varies from yesterday to tomorrow, from country to country, from people to people." You can believe what you want but facts are facts. Also what you say is not supported by the koran "This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion." Qur'an 5:3 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. 33:40. If any one brings in new things it is not islam. Why people want to be a part of a religion they don`t agree with? You would not vote for a political party you don`t agree with. Why then would you "vote" for a religion you don`t believe in?
You also said: “Being an Atheist i am already dead”.
Your comment is fishy. Only muslims think like this. You admitted being an atheist and you would agree that muslims can kill you for being one.
Why would you want to think that?
Is your life as an atheist worth less than muslims?
Where do you live Sidhoum?
I hope you live in a sharia-infested nation.
You are dead wrong about Islam. Although there are a lot of sects in Islam fighting and killing each other. There is only one Islam. The Islam of Muhammad. Even if you go around ask any muslim do you think you would find a single muslim that opposes an Islamic caliphate?
And when the muslims get strong enough and they establish a caliphate. What would you think the muslim will do to an atheist like you? What will be you choice then?
Would you be a muslim like them? There is only one way to be equal in Islam. Be a muslim! That’s it.
Or would you be a Christian? A submitter to muslims? Your life is in the mercy of muslims. As long as you pay jizyah to the muslims anyway.
Better yet, stay atheist. Atheists are to convert to Islam or leave or dead. Would you think they care?
Oh no, don’t behead Sidhoum The Atheist, he was a muslim appeaser.
They’ll chop off your head just being who you are, and they won’t care. They’ll do it and go straight to lunch.
Learn Islam Sidhoum. Learn it!
These are all serious straw man fallacy arguments. The same arguments are used against Congressman King's Muslim radicalization hearings. Yet right wing terror attacks are once in a blue moon while jihad attacks are over 17000 since 9/11. Focus on where the threat is. Your arguments are not realistic.
Your arguments on interpretation are off base as well. Islam is the most straightforward, simple and legalistic system of belief out there, as well as the most documented. People who interpret it differently don't study. Among the differing schools of Islamic jurisprudence, they all agree on 75 to 80% of the doctrines. The differences primarily come down to unreliable ahadith and issues that we would consider minor, except that in Islam, if you are not in the right sect, you are subject to being killed for heresy.
There are no Christian Taliban. Taliban are students of Islam residing in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Nor is there any Christian movement with similar goals. This term is your own personal invention, and you are not sticking to the facts.
I have been living with Muslims like you as well with Christians and Jews. I do not see what you see and what you read. My Muslim mother was a woman of compassion and respect, practicing on a daily basis, always helping others and welcoming strangers. My father did not care about religion. He sometimes told me to be careful of those who think possess the truth. He used to say: ‘think by yourself and be your own prophet. When I ask him about Mum, he said to me that ‘the most important is that she is happy with her belief and does not harm anyone’.
However, I am aware that some psychopaths from the Islamic faith would not hesitate to kill me and destroy my family because all we want is peace and happiness. Being an atheist, I am already dead.
Yet, I believe that Islam is not evil because interpretation varies from yesterday to tomorrow, from country to country, from people to people. Is a Sufi the same Muslim as a Wahabit?
In my view, the Christian talibans are no better than the jihadist. All they want is the achievement of Armageddon, so they can take power in the chaos while their God returns to Earth.
Today, you are saying that Islam is evil. Yesterday, Voltaire was saying: “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world”. Tomorrow, someone else will say that the Mormons are evil.
So let’s fight extremism from all sides and attempt to help people think by themselves rather than from books that have obviously been written by disturbed men.
It is not the truth that we are against;
it is the attitude in which the truth was presented.
"Am I a leftist? Maybe!"
Hi Sidhoum. Maybe you are a leftist, but most certainly you are ill informed about Islam and the danger that it poses to the world. For now that woman in the above picture with bloodied face is just a picture to you. Once they do this to your sister, or daughter, you too will become intolerant. Not everybody is capable of feeling the pains of others. Make sure you are not hiding your lack of empathy behind the veneer of moral superiority.
I suggest you read more and we'll see whether you will still beleive in what you believe now.
"Yet, I have hope because the people of Norway did not react angrily. They have told the world that they will continue to lead their way of life based on compassion, tolerance and respect." we will see where that "tolerance and respect" will get them, nazis taking over their country and possible civil war.
"What I care is to live in harmony with my neighbor regardless race, gender, age or cultural background." You may love all the people but all the people do not love you.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it”. Voltaire" chop chop goes your head.
Hey, life’s a lesson right?
Some people can learn something as they watch.
Some people need to taste it to understand.
The whole notion of being a leftist or a defender of diversity is a fallacy of ‘false inclusion,’ from the surface, it looks and feels good to bestow the same rights upon all individuals, but then again, Muslims are more individualistic than our regular definition of individualism. when someone do not, can not and will never recognize your laws and your rights, I don’t see how you can include him in your agenda of general cultural embrace. All these political world views of the Right and the left were developed before the true understanding of how truly uncivilised Islam really is, this is why we see people from the left abandoning their life long political stance to condemn multiculturalism, as it stands, 25 areas of Britain are calling for the implementation of sharia, so go ahead, depend everyone’s right/identity/creed, you will only be elaborating on the true definition of DOGMA.
Ayda said: 'Did anyone put a gun to your head when you decided to leave Islam?'
THOSE WHO HAD A GUN PUT TO THEIR HEAD ARE DEAD – you moron
Dear Ms Monalisa, I think that Dr Ali Sina is doing a great job here by informing and helping so many gullible and ignorant fools know and realize the many facets of this monster and his cult. He's helping so many members belonging to this deadly cult out of this sinkhole of violence and destruction. I think that many ex-muslims here will appreciate his effort, love and time sacrificed to FFI and Alisina.org. Only those who misunderstood his good intentions will think otherwise.
It looks like you only skimmed over the article and did not read the part about Muslims being human and only become bad to the extent that they embrace Islam. The world is full of illiterate Muslims whose view of Islam is simply that what is good is Islamic and what is not good is un-Islamic. Surely such people would not be Muslim if they had a choice and knew about all the evil in Islam.
Thanks for this well-reasoned article. It is good to hear a voice of reason on a topic which has been emotionally charged in the media.
I just have a question about Marine Le Pen. I realize you are quoting CBS and did not make this statement yourself. I don't know much about her, so this should be viewed as a question rather than a criticism. I initially viewed her positively as an opponent of Islam. The first article I read about her is posted in Politics at Freedom Bulwark.
When I saw the CBS comment about anti-Semitism, I checked Wikipedia, and anti-Semitism only appears once in this context:
"Interviewed by the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz about the relationship between some of her European senior colleagues and some Israeli settlers and groups, she said : "I myself don't understand the idea of continuing to develop the settlements. I consider it a political mistake and would like to make it clear in this context that we must have the right to criticize the policy of the State of Israel – just as we are allowed to criticize any sovereign country – without it being considered anti-Semitism. After all, the National Front has always been Zionistic and always defended Israel's right to exist"."
So then I thought maybe the party's reputation was because of her father. That Wikipedia entry does attribute anti-Semitism to him, but the citations listed as proof are not clearly anti-Semitic.
>Also, the raging mob in Afghanistan had killed a few innocent UN workers in Kabul.
@Monalisa, Yr opinions are both short-sighted n shallow. U cannot differentiate between clarification n attack. Only the truth can save all mankind. Didn't u see the real attacks on TV about the suicide bombers n the raod side bombs that kill so many innocent people in Pakistan, Afghanistan n Iraq.
I love the idea !!! what is good for goose ………..
What a stupidity!
Your logic is as follows:
Islam is immoral; Muslims believe in Islam; therefore, Muslims are immoral.
Or another propaganda: not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
This is as stupid as saying that all priests are pedophiles. This is untrue and unfair. This is another lie to create confusion and hatred amongst people of various faiths.
You are playing the game of extremists whom from whatever side would like to see chaos in our democracy. Yet, I have hope because the people of Norway did not react angrily. They have told the world that they will continue to lead their way of life based on compassion, tolerance and respect. What a lesson they have given to all of us in time of suffering and sadness!
I would defend to death my brother Catholic, as I will do the same for my brother Muslim or my brother Jew. As an Atheist, they will do the same so I can continue to express my view.
Am I a leftist? Maybe! But I do not care about who is in left or right. What I care is to live in harmony with my neighbor regardless race, gender, age or cultural background.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it”. Voltaire
I think we should treat the muslims as they would treat us. So we should make converting to islam a capital offense as well as public preaching of islam. Hijab and halal meat should be banned. Muslims should pay protection tax and if they do not their rights should be taken away and even those that do their lives should be worth considerable less than that of a non-muslims and feel themselves subdued. Construction of new mosques should be banned and those needing repair should be demolished, while existing mosques should be monitored by the police. If you are muslim and think thats unfair then leave islam becuse thats what islam teaches about the non-muslims.
It's truly ironic. When Pastor Terry Jones made a statement of burning papers of some book, all hell broke loose somewhere in Pakistan. And the barbarians that hurt human beings in Pakistan were not blamed – instead, Pastor Terry Jones was blamed for the violence.
Now, when another person in another country went on a killing spree, why do you blame Dr. Sina? Blame those who incited the person to commit "Jihad" (yes, this is the norwageian Jihad against the Muslim jihad). The true victims are the Norwageian people that lost their lives on that horrible day – and the true perpetrators of that crime was not a single white norwageian man – no sir. It was the horrible hateful lines of the Quran & the fanatic followers of those lines & the stupid sheeple who make regular zakat payments to fund those fanatic barbarians. The true perpetrators of that horror are the ideologies that inspire muslims to wage jihad against norway (& all of us humans); it is ayman zawahiri & anwar al waliki – it's not Michelle Malkin, Wafa Sultan, Amil Imani or Dr Ali Sina.
No one should love those who hate us; no one should tolerate the intolerant & no one should encourage the barbarians.
Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.
"Need to get out more", what does this even mean? You mean like ordinary people who don't care about anything else beside themselves, busy with their own world until they realize that something is not right?
"As Zoroaster said, we fight darkness with light. We don’t raise a sword against it."
And as Muhammad said, paradise is under the shade of sword.
Ayda In the first place, you failed miserably to demonstrate Sina’s fault in Breivik’s action because you decided to kill the messenger, Martin Luther preached peaceful revolitionary ideas but still, some black groups who listened to him resorted to violence as a way of achieving the same objective, should we blame M.luther? This same argument holds for any history lecturer who narrates the dehumanizingh spectacles of the American and European slave treatment, any students who allowed the passionate rhetorics of the lecturer to motivate him in shedding the blood of the whites is responsible for his own action, direct culpability has to do with either directly aiding and abetting a crime or indirectly through general commands to carry out the said crime, being an accessory is a far cry from this scenario too, Sina has repeatedly mentioned the difference between Islam and Muslims and the latter’s urgent need to be weaned from Islam, peoplle like you misconstrue, obfuscate, malign and generally abuse logic. To tell the truth about Islam is not only noble but also an attitude of the wise, and the brave, the reason for persistent unmasking of evil is ‘to prevent’ politically correct individuals like you who prefer to clean the blood and stack the corpses away, well Sina does not want to witness that, he wants to proactively stem the tide before before it generates the Tsunami, think of all those who warned against the docility shown before the second world war, people that understood Hitler through his write ups sounded the alarm, on ly that people like you were around to muffle that alarm. Monalisa. You posited that some moderates turned radical by reading FFi and the likes, that is a very absurd statement, any moderate Muslim that read the daily mayhem and the blatant discriminatory activities of the Muslims, yet that somehow motivated him to step up his faith, that person has never been a decent nor a just person, fortunately for us, we can falsify your weird claim by showing you a great many testimonies of those moderates that read FFi and morphed into justice loving people, the horrendous acts of the prophet and his followers can not be stated without the naturally reactive emotional disgust, sites like these are the rays of hope for the hopelessly deluded Muslims, especially the young ones,Telling it like it is on this site has already gained attention from people with the potentiality to act on peaceful chang, G. Wilders frequently use this site as an example of hope for Muslims, too sad, you can’t comprehend this resistance. l
Monalisa, what else could we do?
Muhammad is an insane criminal, and that is the truth, the fact.
Though he is long dead, through Islam Muhammad's madness live on, and that too is the truth, the fact.
Islamic sources themselves present the evidence of these facts, and since it is the truth he speaks Dr.Sina stand on an unassailable ground in scholarly study, evidenced by his strong position in debates and islamic scholars' ducking his challenge..
So what else could we do? What else could Dr.Sina do?
Truth hurts, but it must be told.
No this is not an attack on Islam and muslims, and this is not hate against Islam nor muslims either, This is just the truth, plain and simple.
Increased hatred of radicalized muslims, and also the turning of moderates into radicals, are their own choices, they are not for us to control.
Sometimes people do go into denial when they are in shock. But in time they'll come to terms with the truth.
Although sometimes they are indeed evil and truly belong to an evil cult. What can we do then?
The only thing we can do is to continue saying this truth. And hope with all our hearts that there are more good people in this world than the bad ones. What else can we do?
It is not victory we seek, it's just something we have to do, to know the truth and tell others about it. What kind of world do we want to live in? That is a question each individual must decide. And the sum will be the world's decision. Let it be A FULLY INFORMED decision.
If you want us to stop, then please show us all that Dr.Sina's case is wrong, Dr.Sina still holds that challenge open, for anyone to try to prove his charge against Islam and Muhammad wrong. I too look forward to it.
I just want to say few words before I leave for good.
Mr. Ayda said: "you don’t see it, but you are actually making people hate islam more and more by your hate filled propaganda.'
I will have to disagree with that. What I think is that Mr. Sina could not change a thing.
The only thing he achieved is that he increased the hatred of the radical Muslims, and
changed some moderate Muslims to radicals, and he 's got the
non-Muslim fanatics support only.
I even noticed that some non-Muslim moderates who did not care about Islam,
started to sympathize with it after observing all this attack.
I must admit that at first, I got attracted to this site, because I am
a truth lover and seeker, but it put me off somewhat.
I like you Mr. Sina, for your compassion to animals, but I do not believe
that this tactic will work. Hate never achieved success, it might achieve
a handicapped success and for a short time only.
You are right. Just as smart people can be wrong, evil people can some times be right. If every person who supported family values and the Western civilization was a hate monger racist crack pot, then maybe these values have something in them that attract the wrong crowd.
Most of the people who are anti Israel are also bigors, fascists and dictators. There are also some decent people among those who dislike Isreal. I believe they are wrong in this case. Most of the people who are for family values and western civilization are decent people. Yet occationally, you may find a crack pot like Duke who shares some of their values.
Nothing is absolute. We are talking about the rule of thumb. There is a give and take.
There is nothing wrong with nationalism. Let us not confuse healthy patriotism with jingoism. I have been out of Iran most of my life and will probably never go back, but I still feel affection for her, her people and her culture. I often listen to Persian songs, read Persian poetry, watch Persian movies with great nostalgia. I yearn to see my people free and prosper. However, I desire the same for every other country. But charity starts at home. My first loyalty is to Iran and Canada, then to the Western civilization and then to the world at large. They are not mutually exclusive.
I think Israel has the right to exist. Why Israel should be exclusively for Israelis? Because there are many who want it destroyed. The country consists of only seven million people. If they allow their enemies, (the Palestinians) to come and live in their midst, soon they will find themselves in minority.
We know about the demographic jihad. Europe, with all its might is in danger of being overrun by Muslims. With a reverse birth rate, Israel stands no chance to Muslim invasion.
Democracy works only among people who believe in it. Muslims support democracy only when they are in minority. Once they become the majority they will toss out of the window the democracy and Islamic dictatorship will take over.
You are a smart person. Please don’t play this game with me or with anyone. Don’t tell us about democracy when you know for Muslims democracy is only a stepping stone to dictatorship. Both of us know what Muslims want. Israel must defend herself and not fall into that trap. There is plenty of room for Muslims. This tiny godforsaken land belongs to the Jews. Pretend it does not exist. That land never belonged to Palestinians. Those who owned any property in Israel sold it to the Jews. The rest of the land was desert, belonging to no one. Israelis are not occupying anybody’s land. They are living in their own ancestral land that they repurchased from the occupiers.
The case is close. Muslims want war, and war means their death. But they don’t care. They think they will go to paradise banging the whores. As long as a Jew is dead, it does not matter if a thousand Muslims are killed. From whichever side the death occurs, the victory is for Islam.
Yes smart people can be wrong, even if their name is Bertrand Russell or Christopher Hitchens.
Breivik was diagnosed as insane, which disappoints me but does not surprise me. It disappoints me because now he will not face the punishment that he deserves. Actually he deserved electric chair.