Why Attack Only Islam?
Ali,
I think you have a somewhat polarised views. I am sure that you know there is no single “correct” Islam. The Islam my neighbour believes in is a different one from the Muslim down the road from us both, and again different from the model you have in your mind. Now your model may be closer to how Muhammad envisioned it, but religions evolve so what many Muslims believe is most likely nothing like that at all.
Yes my views are polarized. Anything else would be folly. How can one compare Buddhism or any religion with a demonic creed like Islam? We must not lump all beliefs together and pass one verdict on all of them. Communism, Nazism, and democracy are all different polities. Are all the same? Can we lump them together as political systems and pass one judgment on all of them? All religions are not alike. You can argue that all of them are false. Even that is not true. There are elements in all faiths that are absolute truth. The Golden Rule that is at the core of all religions, except Islam, is an absolute truth. Religions have something good, something bad and something ugly. In my opinion they are superfluous. Man can find the good on his own. We don’t need any religion to tell us raping and looting and murdering are bad. Even if a religion like Islam says they are good and encourages its followers to commit these crimes to those who do not submit, we still know they are bad.
However, some people want to have faith in something. As long as their faith is not a threat to me, I have no problem with it. We humans are different and have different needs. I am perfectly comfortable not to believe in anything and not to invoke an imaginary god when in trouble. In fact I feel much better knowing the solution of my problems is in my own hands and not in the hands of an unpredictable phantasm. If I can do something about them I will do them otherwise I resign and move on. For some people this is a dreadful scenario.
There is only one Islam and that is the Islam of Muhammad. It is detailed in the Quran and his biography. Muslims have different takes on their faith. Some practice it more than others. But there is only one Islam.
Any object or subject can be perceived differently by different people. It depends on the observers’ perspective. The fact that several people describe the same thing differently does not mean they are looking at different things. The argument that Islam is not one because Muslims interpret it differently is a fallacy. It is not rational. I am sure different people have different opinions about you and will describe you differently. Does this mean they are describing different people?
I am attacking the Islam of Muhammad – the only real Islam. I don’t know your neighbors and I am not interested in how they interpret their religion. Faith is personal. I am not attacking their faith. I am attacking a religion that is violent and evil. If their Islam is not like that they don’t have to fear me.
Now this is really a no brainer. Yet, I hear it all the time. So let me give you one example that any child can understand. Let us say there is a dog in the neighborhood with rabies that is running around biting everyone. I grab my gun and go after him. Someone stops me and says my dog is docile and friendly. That bad dog is not my dog. I say, fine, then there is no reason to worry. I love friendly dogs. Now let go of my collar so I can deal with this dangerous animal. Then this person starts attacking me and says I must not harm his dog. Doesn’t that prove that his “friendly dog” and that vicious dog are one and the same?
Muslims constantly tell us the Islam they practice is not violent. Great! I am not against any peaceful religion. But when they attack me and try to stop me when I criticize the violent Islam, it is clear they are lying. Their religion is violent and they know it.
There are bad teachings in most religions. Hindus had sati. But it is abandoned. In the Old Testament, you can find stoning the adulterers. But the Jews have abandoned it, at least since 2000 years ago. The story John 8 that says the Jews brought an adulteress to Jesus asking what they should do with her makes it clear that they were no longer practicing stoning. They did not bring this adulteress to Jesus to ask his opinion. They were the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. They did not care about Jesus’s opinion. To them he was an impostor. John 8:6 says “They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.” What was the trap? They thought is Jesus says follow the law, they will show that he is a heartless ruthless man, and if he says let her go, they will accuse him of breaking the law, which he had said, he is not about to change.
Other religions can evolve, but Islam cannot because it is prohibited to change it in any way. Any innovation (bid’a) is regarded as kufr. For Islam to “evolve” you have to throw away 70% of the Quran. The other 30% is just asininity. How can you do that when it clearly says you can’t pick and choose?
When I see your text about Islam it seethes with vileness, but when I see you talk about Jesus it is all peace and love. You obviously ignore the inquisition, the crusades, and what is happening in Africa today where the popular acceptance of the supernatural via belief in Jesus is the cause of children being burned with acid or starved to death, accused of being witches.
Jesus, was not a vile man. His teachings are good. Why should I defile a good man? I don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. I see him as a man. But that does not mean I am going to throw all fairness away and vilify a good man.
The Inquisition or any bad thing Christians did or do has nothing to do with Jesus. He did not instigate those things.
He said he who lives by the sword will perish by it.
He said forgive people’s sins so yours can be forgiven.
He said remove the beam in your own eyes before finding the speck in the eyes of your neighbor.
He said throw the stone if you have not sinned.
He said you were told not to commit adultery, I tell you not to think about it for he who thinks about sin commits it in his heart.
I could make a modern psychological argument based on quantum physics to show this teaching is not just allegorical. It is very real. But I don’t want to digress. You can find no justification for the crimes perpetrated by the Christians in the teachings of Jesus.
The Inquisition and the Crusades were influences of Islam on the Catholic Church. The Church started to copycat Jihad and Mihnah because of their successes. Cultures influence each other. Even today, the secular and liberal western culture is influenced by the repressive Islamic culture. We punish people who speak the truth against Islam. This insanity is not because of secularism. It is the blasphemy law seeping in our secular laws. If Geert wilders is prosecuted, or if Andrew Ryan in UK goes to jail because he burned the Quran, we can’t blame secularism for it. Western secularism is becoming Islamized. The same happened to the Church. It became Islamized.
What Christians do in Africa is also not the fault of Jesus. These practices are animism not Christianity. They are practiced by the Christians in the name of Jesus, but they are not the teachings of Jesus. They are remnants of animism lingering in the psyche of the Africans.
Remember, it was Christianity that invented the most disgusting lie ever told by man. The threat of eternal burning in hell, one of the key tools Muhammad exploited. It is also the promise of Jesus to return that enables countless people around the world to con people into joining cults, where children and women are sexually exploited and others financially.
The belief in hell and heaven is an ancient belief. No one knows who invented this lie. It could have been originated from Zoroastrianism and Jews learned it from Persians. However, this belief was not promulgated by Jesus. Jesus did not threaten people with hellfire. It was Paul, the zealot apostle who interjected his own understanding into his new-found faith.
It is also true that countless people have been conned and continue to be conned by charlatans like Muhammad et al who exploit the belief of returning messiahs. However, this belief is also ancient. When people are oppressed and victimized they invent messiahs. It gives them hope. Today, our lives are relatively safer. We don’t experience so much injustice as our ancestors did. Therefore, messiahs have become superfluous. We can liberate ourselves and don’t need to wait for messiahs.
I understand you disliking Islam, I dislike it too. I’m not keen on what appears to be an emotional hatred of it, but that’s entirely up to you. When you seethe hatred for Muhammad and Islam and then talk (erroneously in my opinion) about Jesus being all sweetness and light it just doesn’t come across well at all, which is why I suspected you were a Christian.
It is intellectually dishonest to equate Jesus with Muhammad. Did Jesus raid people? Did he massacre, rape, and rob anyone? Did he instigate murder or encourage assassination? Did he have sex with children? Did he sleep with women after massacring their tribe and torturing to death their husband?
You have thrown out your belief in God. Congratulations. But have you also thrown out your sense of fairness? In what ways Jesus can be compared to Muhammad? Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that the stories about Jesus are true. I am not talking about his alleged miracles. I am talking about his teachings and the examples that he set. Analyze him as a man. Are there any two people more diametrically opposed to each other than Muhammad and Jesus?
I can’t be a Christian because I can’t believe in a god that intervenes in human affairs. In fact if such a god existed, considering that the foundation of this world is based on injustice, he must be a cynical and cruel god, unworthy of worship. I am a vegan because I can’t bear the thought of taking the life of a lovely animal just so I can eat. And yes I love animals more than I love some humans. There is no wickedness in animals. And yet this God has designed the world in such a way that the sustenance of many species should depend on destroying the lives of other creatures. His cynicism and cruelty is so despicable that he endows these creatures that are to be food to others with feelings so when a calf is devoured by a predator her mother suffers and grieves. Of course the wretched prey has to suffer excruciating pain too. How disgusting! How a creator with such a low ethics can be worthy of praise?
I am not talking about God. I am talking about Jesus as a man. Find me something evil in Jesus’ teachings or his life if you can and I will denounce that thing. We can’t throw away honesty and fairness just because we reject God.
Muhammad was quite different. There is no crime that he did not commit. His teachings are all evil. There is nothing good that he said or did.
When Christians do evil, it is because they deviate from what Jesus taught. When Muslims do good deeds, it is because they disobey their prophet. When they follow him they become evil. A good Christian becomes Mother Theresa. A Good Hindu becomes Gandhi. A good Buddhist becomes Dalai Lama. A good Muslim becomes Khomeini.
The reason I don’t promote atheism is because I don’t see atheism making people better. I see atheists are just as fanatical as religionists and often lack fairness. To them atheism is another religion. They hate and disparage other faiths. Many atheists maligned Palin and supported the criminal Obama because she believes in God whereas he is only a fraud. This reminds me of the hypocrisy of Pharisees who preferred a crook like Barabbas to Jesus. It is amazing how fanaticism can blind people.
To me, atheism is a philosophy. I am an atheist because I can’t convince myself that there is a god or any intelligent being running this world. I know I could have done a better job if I had the same powers that are attributed to God. Yes there is intelligence in the universe that is reflected in all beings including atoms. But there is no intelligent being running the universe.
The main difference between me and other atheists is that for me beliefs are secondary. Deeds count, not beliefs. Beliefs change. They can change with the same ease of changing a shirt. I do that all the time. Every day, I learn a new thing and adjust my belief slightly. In the course of years my beliefs are changed radically. I call it evolution of belief.
What I look in people is their humanity. I look at their sense of justice, fairness, compassion, kindness, and empathy. Intellectualism challenges my mind, but what make me cry are simple acts of kindness. I want to promote goodness. I could not care less about beliefs.
Dear Duratma Gandhi.
Yes! You are right on the ideas and actions of Gandhi, which you have shared on this site.
[this time around, i did get to spell his name right]
I've spoken with some of the old timers who left Punjab, India in the 50's and settled here, ironically most of them had little or no good things to speak of Gandhi.
According to em, His overall ideas did harm a majority of the Sikh population and not to mentioned the women folks.
I was crude in my respond to your posting on Gandhi, for that I must apologies for my ignorance and arrogance. Since I don't reside in India, all of what I know of Gandhi is through reading and em good ole movies. He is always portrait as the saviour of India in books and movies. I guess I'm no different, I too was influenced through reading and watching movies out of India,
As you said in your posting to my reply:" I'm greatly hurt by that affront on my ancestors and relatives".
I do now believe and understand the affront you must feel for all the wrong doings to your ancestors and relatives.
Regards
Michael Singh
WHY you want to force your opinion about gandhi on alisina. ok you made your point – people may or may not agree with you – respect that and stop diverting everyone from real issue
why do all these people just say "SPREADING LIES ABOUT ISLAM BUT NEVER POINT OUT THE LIE BEING SPREAD – DON;T THEY READ THE DEBATES"
life cycle of rice, apples etc. is almost over when consumed
Excuse my ignorance but why is Obama a criminal ?
You are so interesting! I do not think I’ve read through anything like that before. So good to find another person with original thoughts on this issue. Really.. thank you for starting this up. This web site is one thing that is required on the internet, someone with a little originality!
I stopped reading because this man is a bloody liar. I am an atheist, and everything you have said just fall out of your mouth, your defense on Christianity is shocking.
Yep those people exist who think free thinking includes cynic and satanic.
Hi Mr/Ms TipTop, I'm curious to know if you are a Muslim or Atheist or what? You sound like a 5 yrs old to me when you asked why roosters don't wear briefs or boxers like human beings and it can show off its olo and walk like a model in front of the hens. Don't you know the fact that only Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowlege, that's why all human beings, including a 5 yrs old boy like you have to cover your olo up with a piece of cloth? Why can't you simply grasp the moral of my dear Ms Ali Sina's touching story? She was merely lamenting that some men don't behave and act like a man and they have no balls while she observe that roosters behaved and act better than them and they have balls. 😉
Hi Truth Seeker, I must compliment you because i like your pseudonym. It seems to me that you love this Vedic religion very much because you always quote from the Vedas. But the point is that the Vedas contains many lies, so much so that I thought that the author must be a guru from outer space and I wonder how in the world can a 'smart' man like you believe in all these nonsene? It's time for a truth seeker like you to humble yourself now and seek the Way, the Truth and the life. I guarantee that you will find life if you do so. Cheers! 🙂
Mr Agracean, there is no moral of floral of story. You can hear this type of stories from 5 year old eating chocolates.
If rooster have nobility and chivalry , why don't it wear undies? Wanking naked in front of his hens (rooster is polygamous!).
"When we act wrongly we lead to hell or gets the body of animals, birds and other lower creatures."
So according to Vedic religion , Ali Sina will be chicken in next birth that is why he started understanding chickens?
@Agracean
Evolved souls like Ali Sina will have the same feelings for another creatures as Sina mention above about hen and chickens. That is why saintly person / evolved souls often says soul is eternal, uncreated and immortal but come in grip of illusion and ignorance. When souls crossed a threshold of this evolutions it gets bliss (salvation ) as per Vedic religion and make itself free from the bondage of birth and death. When we act wrongly we lead to hell or gets the body of animals, birds and other lower creatures.
The moral of Ms Ali Sina's story is that the heart of a person matters most. Plants have only life and they live and die but a human being is more than a plant and should be better than any vegetables you could ever find on this earth.
Yes, you are true Ali Sina is Kufr, Shatain. Allah will punish him till infinity for criticizing Islam (most peaceful religion of world). Instead of worshiping Allah he is engaged observing the animals behaviors.
Your excellence in understanding is amusing! Your story tell us about your evolved or too much sensitive emotions rather than chicken's.
My question was simple betrayal is emotional response for emotional attachment. Your grains, crushed grains. granulated grains are describing hunger based response from chickens. Hunger is physical response not emotional.
Plant respond the same way, Grow plant in window , leaves of plant grew and tend towards sunlight.
You can observe tradition of women eating after men all over south Asia.Stop fooling yourself for blaming Muslims for each this and that. I am convinced you are fanatic, cynic Iranian. This doesn't count you muslim, ex-muslim or non-muslims.
Yes actually I have. I wrote about it a few months ago. My neighbor has several egg laying hens and a rooster. When they go away I take care of their chickens. They eat whatever they can find in the field and they have also their manufactured granulated chicken feed. In the morning I let them out and throw at them chicken starter, which is crushed grains. This is a treat to them and they love it. In fact they run to me as soon as they see me. Something amazing I noticed about them is that the rooster, would not run to eat first. In fact he would pick up a grain and throw it back to indicate to his hens where they can find the grains.
Amazed at watching this kind of nobility and chivalry in a rooster, I remembered of my younger years living in Pakistan. When I was invited to the house of the Pakistanis, (I lived in Peshawar, the most religious people in Pakistan) the men ate first, and women waited in the kitchen some times peeping through the door to see when the men had finished to take the food to their quarter and “scavenge” the leftovers.
This was a sad thing to observe but it is a fact of life for Muslims of Pakistan, specially the most religious ones. Not only women eat last and the leftovers, girls should go hungry if the food is not enough because boys get preference.
So, sometimes chickens have more chivalry and more nobility than Muslims.
Have you seen any evolved emotion in chickens like a hen complaining betrayal of a co ck?
Plants don’t have the kind of evolved emotions that animals have. The point is to live with compassion, for all animals, humans and yourself.
Tell them Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Genghis Khan all were vegetarians. Tell them you are going to die of protein and minerals deficiency,brain fog, memory loss, tiredness, moodiness.
Yes plants have life stop eating them. Start eating soil, sand ,salt water , you will survive. Stop breathing in fresh air , fresh air have so many microbes , use surgical clean rooms for respiration.
Your family and friends will get convinced they were wrong. Good luck. No thanks please.
Mr.Sina,
I have recently turned vegetarian on my own choice. How do I respond to my meat-eating family and friends who say you're taking the life of plants by eating them?
We won’t be too graphic. But everything that matters is in the movie. For the sake of brevity I had to discard a lot of very good stuff, but still the movie will have to be made in two parts.
Great Idea… Movie !! wow ! but I think Mr. Sina that the movie will be rated adult because of Muhammad's extremely perverse nature 😛
and you call your self virtuous lol…
Duratma_Gandhi I am also an Indian and hate Gandhi for all that he did, but this is not a place to discuss him… you have made your point clear… lets leave it.
To Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ibn Warraq, Fjordman and others who have there views
You are nothing but Extremist and propagandist on the same lines as Julius Streicher twisting and perverting texting into something it is not and using your twisted version to justify the abuse, death and war on Muslims and there counties
You are all one step away from being another Anders Behring Breivik and inspiring others to commit the same actions he did on innocent people
You bring many people to shame with your extremist right views
I end with this:
''For ever let this place be a cry of dispair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women and children mainly Jews from various countries of Europe ''
-Auschwitz Birkenau 1940-1945
Lets not let extremist encourage the abuse, death and war on Muslims and others who do not by into there extreme right views and hatred for the Muslim people
-Moor (A Person of the people of the book)
Duratma_Gandhi… you are not alone to have such opinion on Gandhi, Millions are with you but we can not come out in Open as Congress has made him Father of Nation and it is a crime to speak against him freely (with the intend of insult). We Indians had the best chance that any one hardly gets… and that was to get rid of Muslims but Gandhi spoiled it! Now they have took the land where they persecute Minority religions like Hinduism. And the remaining Muslims in India are threat to us… how SAD.
And there is nothing I enjoy more than flattering comments like this. LOL
There is nothing I really enjoy more than coming to this website each and every evening right after work. Hi and thanks for all the nice articles!!
Islam=Stupid, Lazy, Rubbish, Problem, Lie, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist
For now the book is out of pint. The new edition will come to market this fall. I hope it will sell a lot. But that is nothing compared to the movie about Muhammad that I have on the burner. That will sell millions of copies. Eat your heart.
sina, you are so desperate to sell your books, you are prepared to lie, and insult so who can trust a deceitful liar such as you prove yourself to be to keep a promise to shut down the publicity site or to share any filthy dirty stinking money made by sale of your book,
so you know what it is to be a god? your cult of one does not require that you worship any god? only sanada-god, so you worship yourself you claim to have god like abilities, a self worshipping god, thats not a new idea there are many self worshipping fools
sina, is "assisinine" a scholarly comment? or are you asking for scholarly comment only to insult those who are truly scholars of Islam, both Muslim and non. I have heard of cat dog monkey andcow and elephant deities, but never of a your donkey deity, the maker of this deity,sina, must be a greater ass than a donkey,
sina: the greatest jack-ass of them all!.
sina you have a serious problem. do you know that the internet is less than 50 years old? Islam has a glorious history extending over more than a millenium!
talk about obnoxious ignorance!
you ask for scholarly comment and then provide lies and insults, what are your credentials? No scholar worth the name would peddle lies and hatred and insults.
sanada whats your problem? you appear to be seriously deluded! for your education that means having fixed, firm, false, beliefs!
john k , you seem to have a very imaginative mind, however let us try to stick to the facts , not make up lies as and when we want. please provide proof or references for your statements, this is not a fantasy world!
Why are you still hallucinating about many clay gods , monkey gods, elephant gods, kali murderess, gods,lion gods, phallus gods, vagina gods etc etc
prithi & john
you obviously are colouring outside the lines! The Universal Creator is The Great One! The Creator is above and beyond all creation, without gender , without partner, without spouse, without equal, without off-spring, uncreated, unique, beyond the experience intellect and imagination of any creature.,alone worthy of worship.
John where on earth do you get these lies , fantasies of your own imagination, please cite your references, or desist from this detestable conduct, this is not a fantasy or fiction site, comments are required to be scholarly
to SORROWSNAKE,
As you correctly said "if anybody TODAY claims to be getting messages from the angel Gabriel he will also be referred to a psychiatrist" and I totally agree with you.
I see proof of His prophet hood everyday.A mere fact that there Are MILLIONS OF INTERNET SITES AND BOOKS about him,a whole civilization to His name,a largest territory link to Him, A whole economic system,a legal system based on His teachings.Is there any other personality even mythological who has had so much influence in the history of the mankind?And why would somebody sacrifice so much , have world under his feet,and don"t take advantage out of it for himself or his family and descendants? Frankly I would revere such a person as a Prophet EVEN IF HE DID NOT CLAIM TO BE ONE!!!!! Ibn Ishaq is not a authorized biography of The Prophet.It is a collection of stories more like a novel for children. Some based in truth others fabricated,exaggerated.
We don't say Is Allah greatest? And where we say Allah is the greatest, it is above all things. You need to learn a language and understand what is a question!
786 has nothing to do with a believing muslim, because numbers don't mean shit. Ignorance is there in every religion.
Now go back and pray to your shiv lingam.
All Muslims are terrorist…O Really!!!
Who started the first world war ?
Muslims ?
Who started the second world war ?
Muslims ?
Who killed about 20 millions of
Aborigines in Australia ?
Muslims??
Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima
and Nakazaki ?
Muslims??
Who killed more than 100 millions of
Indians in North America ?
Muslims ??
Who killed more than 50 millions of
Indians in south America ??
Muslims ??
Who took about 180 millions of African
people as slaves and 88% of them died
and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ?
Muslims ??
Who killed 6 million Jews in Germany?
Muslims??
No, Not at all, They weren't Muslims …… So gets your facts right!!!
Dont spread what u hear just go in history then you will get who is Terrorists…
Dear Agracean,
Is Jesus God?How many gods are there?
How is somebody expected to act a Saviour to others if he failed to save himself from severe punishment like crucifixion?
You said hell is only for angels. Are humans not going to be punished for their bad actions?
ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS
Let us see what Jannat is. You will have rivers of wines. It is a place meant for pure drunkards. There you will have 72 virgins to marry. It is also meant for mass rapists. By the way, what will happen in Jannnat ??? Shia will fight with Sunnis. Ahmediyya will fight with Deobandis and Wahhabis will fight with all others. Jannat is a battlefield.
Jahannum is 100 times better than your Jannat. All the scientists of Islamic golden age would be there because they hated Quran. Mohammed ibn Zakariya al Razi was an eminent example. Even Albert Einstein would be there. All great warriors would be in Jehannum.
Don't worry – Mr. terrorist. We will see you Muslims destroying each other in Jannat. Then we will held your ANTI – GOD (ALLAH) a captive and occupy Jannat..
ALL THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST MUSLIMS ARE TRUE SUPPORTERS OF HUMANITY AND ALL MUSLIMS ARE INDEED BORN WEREWOLVES. EXPECTING HUMANITY FROM THEM IS WORST OF STUPIDITY. KEEP DRINKING THE PISS OF YOUR GOD – SATAN (AS YOU DAILY DO). ALLAH MADE SATAN AND HENCE EVEN ALLAH IS A TERRORIST.
Bro, you cannot blame them. That is Muslim culture. They just get extremist for no reason whatsoever. That is the reason that Islam dominated nations rarely progress. They want to make IND so like that. It is stupidity to expect patriotism from Muslims. IND Muslim fund PAK and that is the reason why they are poor. We need to stop that and our ancient civilization must not enter into their stupid and evil hands. We need to fight and if required, kill terrorists. That will save humanity. It is very much needed.
Yes. Gandhi was a total fraud. The video by Nathuram Godse last words will elaborate it better. In fact, Gandhi (Gaandu as I would call him) was the man behind PAK. He is indeed Duratma. The problem is due to Congress and its treason against IND,. They hid the lies and even today, are supporting Muslims, though they very well know that Muslims are born terrorists.
Brother, we need a strong workable solution to this dilemma. What do you say?
According to Ajahn Brahm (a Buddhist teacher)as the animal population decreases the human population has increased and that’s where most of us have come from. Here is a good video on this nonsense [youtube KauGMZVBnjk&context=C40b9882ADvjVQa1PpcFONXAR3ZDfzjNZCbfjZC46EcszlCvM41kU= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KauGMZVBnjk&context=C40b9882ADvjVQa1PpcFONXAR3ZDfzjNZCbfjZC46EcszlCvM41kU= youtube]
Dear Mr/Ms/? gms, don't you know that Jesus Christ was crucified on that old rugged cross and died and was buried in a new tomb and rose again on the third day and ascended to Heaven and sat on the right hand of God. The eternal truth is that Jesus Christ is your Lord and your God. The reason why you need our Lord Jesus Christ to be your personal Lord and Saviour is because He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one can come to the Father God, except through Him! Your present condition may be good or favourable to you now, but it's only a short term kind of satisfaction and the plain truth is that one day, you'll have to die and then, stand before your Creator God and settle your account with him. So, I wish you all the best in settling your account with God without the help of an advocate. Yes, Heaven is real and hell is real too but many people, like you, are ignorant of the fact that God did not create hell for human beings but fallen angels.
What's the diffrence between Muhammad and the people who claim to be prophets today? Muhammad was also a self proclaimed prophet who gave no proof whatsoever to back up his claims, he was just another imposter who threatened people with hell and then bribed them with heaven, a heaven which is a whorehouse where muslims receive sex slaves so they could fullfill their frustrated fantasies. Read Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad and study the Quran and you'll see Muhammad lived a despicable and shamfull life.
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Absolutely!! I would definitely send him for psychiatric assessment since Prophet Muhammed (SAS) WAS THE LAST PROPHET.
. You call them fools but they rule the world for more than 1000 years so who is a bigger fool?.The one who let a fool rule him for 1000 years or the one who is ruling. I rather be a fool and have the whole world under me then be very clever and "civilized" and be rule,massacred,raped,oppressed,humiliated by fools for ONE THOUSAND YEARS!!!!
Did Africans,Red Indians, Indians Aborigines and the rest of colonized attacked the west?
Well at lest Muslims believe in"an eye for an eye" or forgiveness, but you believe in NO EYE FOR MILLIONS OF EYES.
DEAR AGRACEAN,
you said "Jesus once walked" I ask where is he now?
You said "personal Lord and Saviour" To save me from hell? Is he above God?
You said "you will never be same again" I don't need to change to worse and I'm thank God for my present condition.
This lines are not meant to fight .I'm simply trying to put across that Jesus is not God and never claim to be one.
I take that you a Christian therefore believe in Hell and Paradise is part of your faith. Has Hell been extinguish?
To Sanda,
They have been trying to do it intensely for past 1400 years and, in a more barbaric manner then the present times, despite this Islam has been growing even faster.
And you know what? they say if you can"t fight them join them.So choice is yours!!!
But there is a problem with this reincarnation theory.I notice that human population is ever increasing.
It means that there are more people being reincarnated than those who have died !!!
do you even understand the Golden rule?
It's is not an eye for an eye! you muslims only understand and apply that concept!
the one who killed does not want to be killed thus he is not applying the golden rule:
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
but instead he was he was doing this:
"Do unto others before they do unto you." (best defense is a good offense)
HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI stands here because it was a case of war where the best defense is a good offense.
But in case of islam it is not even defense because others are not going to just rape/kill/bomb muslims, so muslims are just doing "offense" out of their hate/evil religion. Not as self defense or a reaction to an ongoing war
Dear Mr/Ms gms, if you have financial difficulties or whatever personal reasons, for not being able to visit Israel and it's capital, Jerusalem, to research and discover all the evidences and footprints of Jesus, then, may I propose to you my humble and good suggestion, to help you realize that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no one can come to the Father God, except through Him and that is, to invite our dear Lord Jesus into your heart to be your personal Lord and Saviour and you will never be the same again. Can you tell me which human being in this world told you that 'someone will be punished for not believing in divinity of Jesus'?
Dear Agracean ,
You asking me to prove the historical existence of Jesus?
Why someone will be punished for not believing in divinity of Jesus if it cannot be proven?
Dear gms, the best way for me to help you realize the ultimate truth is to encourage you to spend some of your hard earn money and fly to Israel. There, you can find many evidences that Jesus once walked on planet earth more than 2000 years ago.
Dear Agracean,
You don't have to that far I would not be able to prove the existence of great grand father.
But since I EXIST it logical to infer that I had ancestors to that degree or even remote.
I concur with you that if we are unable to prove the existence of something it does mean that it didn't exist.What I said is that Jesus is not a historical figure.If Jesus claimed to God !!! and performed major miracles and there are ROMAN contemporaneous records with no mention of such a personality than the likelihood of his existence is nil.
Dear gms, let's say that you are a famous philanthropist ever lived on planet earth and you live to a ripe old age of 100 years old and died in the year 2100 and somewhere down the stream of time, let's say in the year 4100, a little handsome boy by the name of Ali Baba asked his daddy exactly the same question as what you did, "Daddy, how do you know that gms ever existed?" Do you get the answer now?
No that is not true. Santa Clause and Dracula don’t exist, but one is good and the other is bad.
If somebody today claims to be getting messages from the angel Gabriel he would also be reffered to a psychiatrist but if an illetarate sheep hearder from Arabia makes the same claim a billion fools all over the world take him seriousley.
If somebody today claims to be god we definitely would send him for a urgent psychiatric assessment. But it seems to me that mr. Sina has" profound respect" for this kind of people.Mr. Sina this type of attitude does not help cure the disease.
for somebody to believe that some thing is good or bad it should exist first.HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT JESUS EVER EXISTED?
MR SINA ,
i really believe that your golden rule arrived IN Iraq,Afganistan IT WERE GOLDEN BOMBS WHICH WERE RAIN ON HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, THANKS TO GOLDEN RULE THAT KILLED 80 MILLION AFRICANS IN TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE. Did Hitler knew about this rule?
Muslims do like stink. That's why they love Hindu girls and they converted Hindus forcibly to their religion which stinks more than all rotten shit in the world!!. These "musies" (short for muslims) don't take bath for days it seems!! 🙂
Whatever, you can say this in India and still get away with it. You say the truth about Islam in Pakistan or Malaysia or any other Islamic country and you will be beheaded. But I don't think you will say this. From your words, you appear to be a sick man yourself. The real follower of the greatest mentally sick man born 1400 years ago in Arabia. "The Barbarian." Civilize yourself.
Zakirbhai MBBS? A charlatan selling islam to gullible audience…..Father of all the modern lies and a great bullshitter. The best example of Taqiyya.
Sina Sir brilliant and wonderful writing.. Sir you have such apowerful way of explaining things the way they are. In all your writings there is so much passion and zeal. It is this passion that makes your writings so beautiful and a pleasure to read. Love you Sir
I destroyed you, Your argument are pathetic and baseless. You have no common sense or ability to refute. My refutatons are dangerous for alisina.com thats why they are constantly deleted and I am accused of inults to hide you inabilty to answer my questions. You are a traitor to God and your people and you will see when you cry tears of blood
Wow So many comments!
"I follow the Quran and Sunnah according to the understanding of the Salaf not some warmongering lunatic imbecile Islam hater like Ali SIna."
We are back in nested mode, so you will have to start a new thread for
your response to be visible. Or better yet, I put a new one here.
What is there to understand about the Quran and Sunnah? They quite
clearly say what they say, and even if you want to talk about Salaf,
that view is universally acknowledged as the most extremist view of
the terrorists. But Salaf or not, your evil books still say what they
say. Do you follow these:
Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
Kill him who leaves his Islamic religion
Kill rape victims who cannot produce 4 male witnesses of the act.
A Jew is hiding behind me. Come Muslim and kill him.
Do you follow the perfect example of your prophet who was:
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a madman a looter
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
Ali Sina is not interpreting the Quran and Sunna. He is collecting the
relevant verses together in one easy location for your easy reference.
The Salafs know about this true version of Islam. Either you have been
taught about it and your are lying, or they have concealed this from
you because you are in the UK and the UK is not ready for it yet.
Islam is the world's biggest secret criminal society and you have let
them deceive you.
"Catholic priests say Mary was a perpetual virgin who never had sex with Joseph throughout their entire married life" That must have been a hell of a mariage.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/user-n…
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum_signup/
Catholic priests say Mary was a perpetual virgin who never had sex with Joseph throughout their entire married life.
All these Catholic teachings about Joseph and Mary's ages and personal life are not in the Bible and are not accepted by non-Catholics.
I follow the Quran and Sunnah according to the understanding of the Salaf not some warmongering lunatic imbecile Islam hater like Ali SIna.
So-called truth in your soul doesn't count. It is called cognitive dissonance when what you feel goes against the facts of life. The vast majority of Muslims, yourself included, are uneducated about the Quran and Sunna references that Ali Sina has assembled here for your easy reference. You are like a blind man if you only think what you want to think and won't face the facts. Hence, you are in a black pit. You cannot see.
I do not need confidence, knowledge or rationality even though I have more than you can imagine. My heart is at peace, you are asking me to abandon the truth within my soul, that is something I could never do. The truth is clear when you look at the complete facts and not some purposely misinterpreted views spread by irrational Islam haters (especially those from other faiths). Allah has always answered my prayers, I am happy being muslim and so are the vast majority who follow the true Islam.
You have too much confidence and too little knowledge and rationality. When you die you will be sadly disappointed to discover that things are not what you thought they are, and that being Muslim does not get you the position you hoped for.
I'd rather die 1000 times than leave Islam, why would I leave Islam for falsehood? my freind it is your mind that is in a black pit, I pity you.
Thanks Christian Pig!!!!!!! 🙂
Wishful thinking. Islam has buried your mind in a black pit, but we are here to help you climb out of it!
Well, I am touched. And you are my favorite example of the 99 Names of Allah!
We don’t need to demonise Islam, you do that just fine on your own without any help from us.
I’d rather believe in a “Pig God” than a racist God like your Allah. Can you tell me why Allah created a inbreed “race” (according to you) like the Indonesians.
Well that is an honest view of your unsuccesfull attempt to demonise Islam 🙂 . My dear ******* freind, only time will tell 🙂 but I promise you, your journey will end in self destruction and the Glorious light of Islam will eternally shine 🙂
Sanada you are my favourite Indonesian ******* 🙂 and John K you are my favourite Christian even though you beleive in your Pig God 🙂
You are msot welcome to use any article or argument. Also please leave your website link so people can find you.
Hello, i believe that i saw you visited my website thus i got here to go back the favor?.I am attempting to in finding things to improve my website!I assume its good enough to make use of a few of your ideas!!
And as usual, no progress at all. 😉
Oh – The 99 Names of Allah has returned.
Here I thought you didn't love us anymore.
I agree with Duratma…. Gandhi is being potrayed as far better than he actually was. He believed in Caste system, and had a vision that only high caste hindus should rule India. The only obstacle to his dream was the large number of muslim population of India. Thus he paved way for birth of "pakistan". Also, the british were already leaving their colonies, as the world war had already crumbled their economy. Thus got all the wrong credit.
Er, the different fate itself is not just you know assuming that the all knowing allah wanted to test you, forgive the oxymoron. =/
Dear, oh dear, another subjective statement and no proof as usual. Do you really understand how to prove and refute?
You wrote, “Many have pointed out how wrong about Islam you all are and show how little knowledge you all have about Islam and the Muslim people”
Many have pointed and many muslims refuse and don’t dare to even answer it correctly and logically, that’s the fact.
The fact that you keep avoiding my posts about Islam shows the opposite and it is you who have little knowledge about it. The muslim people? Don’t even assume that I don’t know it since I live in majority muslim country. You muslim love to assume bad faith to anyone you dislike.
You wrote, “Islam's so called mission to take over is based on paranoia nothing more.”
It’s easy to refute this mere statement. Islam’s mission is indeed to take over the earth. Paranoia comes from nowhere but this one is coming from Muhammad’s words and history.
You wrote, “Most Muslims, Christians, Jewish and other know that what those on here are saying is not correct (You are a 1 %)
It’s easy to lie, isn’t it? Most people don’t even read their own holy books. That’s why they don’t know how to act like one but the one who read is the one who knows what their god’s desire. 1 %? From where? Your imagination?
You wrote, “Look to yourself before criticizing another perhaps ?”
Done that and found nothing. You are such a naïve person. Most people won’t criticize the thing that actually in agreement with them. Your finger pointing is not going to answer the problem here. Tell me, can you criticize me? Come on, walk the talk.
You wrote, “You all say it is not about the Muslim people yet Muslims are degraded, threatened, say it is in there blood to lie, degrade there countries they assume come from,call them terrorist, Muslims going to burn in hell for being Muslims justify abuse of innocents, violate the rights of countries, justify unwanted invasion of countries and the list goes on,”
This is repeated again. Do you remember my earlier post again or you just have reading problem processing sentences? Do I need to show you my answer on this stupid accusation about me? Digest this muslim:
1. I state fact and only fact
2. I don’t degrade all muslims unless muslims start to justify Muhammad’s morality
3. The problem is Muhammad and Islam and anything that gets affected has the same negative response.
4. Muslim is someone who believes Muhammad’s morality and they are not a race. Being muslim means being in line with this one unless you are a hypocrite muslim.
5. Quote my words that actually do what you have accused. If you can’t then I can call you a liar for the second time.
6. At least read your opponent’s response correctly and don’t repeat things like this.
7. I don’t respect someone who doesn’t have any will to listen and you are one of them, starting from now.
8. Muslim going to burn in hell is faith based “degradation” just like Allah/Muhammad/muslims who like to say that kafir will be going to hell. You are such a hypocrite.
9. Unwanted invasion has nothing to do with the discussion about Islamic terrorism and violence. Why don’t you deal with Muhammad’s wars first eh?
Look, I start to lose respect to you because you can only divert and generalize. You give so many subjective and racial subjects while Islam is not about all of these. Now, is there any thing specific you want to say about Islam and its prophet? If you don’t have it then just say so and admit it.
I have many queries about Islam and no muslims here dare to answer it. This is making you as cowards who can only divert and give pathetic excuse. In the end, the answer never exists and these muslims just going around annoying everyone without solving anything. You dig?
This is precisely why I lose respect of you day after day. It’s so hard to find an honest person within your kind.
Youtube is hardly an answer. You are naive. 😉
same amount of force can push a heavy object less far and light object farther. our lives in this world is such. some has hard life(poverty, disability), some has easy( wealth, good health ). our deeds in this world will be judged in afterlife by the effort you put in allah's path. so everyone has equal chance. allah is just. without afterlife, one would see only injustice. my brother, you have right to doubt unworldly things. But wait and see, inshallah the day is not far, when jesus pbuh will be ruling this world and will follow the religion of muhammad pbuh. If, you are alive to see that day, inshallah all your doubts will be eradicated. now a days anyone(even muslims) can be confused by the anti-islam propaganda by the media and the intellectuals.
''This is called denial. Muslims don't want to accept what their religion teaches, and they don't want to look bad. ''
Flawed logic the other Christian could say you are in denial for not accepting what she says about Mormons (as a Mormon you would know they make mistakes) or an atheist can say all religionist people are in denial for not accepting what they say about all religions (bad example)
You all do not speak for Muslims
As Muslims have pointed out the mistakes ect
-JSOP
The world will not allow another Hitler (on a Muslim scale) I can tell you this now
[youtube wUrqFkR7QlI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUrqFkR7QlI youtube]
-JSOP
Many have pointed out how wrong about Islam you all are and show how little knowledge you all have about Islam and the Muslim people.
Islam's so called mission to take over is based on paranoia nothing more.
Most Muslims, Christians, Jewish and other know that what those on here are saying is not correct (You are a 1 %)
Look to yourself before criticizing another perhaps ?
You all say it is not about the Muslim people yet Muslims are degraded, threatened, say it is in there blood to lie, degrade there countries they assume come from,call them terrorist, Muslims going to burn in hell for being Muslims justify abuse of innocents, violate the rights of countries, justify unwanted invasion of countries and the list goes on,
Extremist can come in many forms and all should be opposed
-JSOP
Sanda's English is good and is better than yours' anyday! Answer his questions!!
I believe that if that dead heroic pig joker, Deedat came back life, he would slap your pathetic face, backside and hit your hairy balls till it became bald, for failing to see through his deceptive mask and lies and for insulting good human beings like Mr Robert Spencer and my dearest hero, Dr Ali Sina!
Same old moron peddling same lies, you are a pathetic Christian apologist. After Ahmad Deedat died you amateurs including Robert Spencer jumped on he scene. If Deedat was alive now he would make you cry for your Christian Pig God.
You seriously think this is all about (obvious) muslim terrorist, eh? So naive you are. o.0
Empty post not worth mentioning. You only deny reality. In here, we talk about Islam and its mission, not you. 😉
That majority can:
1. Easily turn to minority
2. Protect minority
3. Outrun by it.
All because of an ideology. 😉
''(never hear of the good''
To correct myself rarely hear of the good
-JSOP
Fairdeal said: ''Today alone news reported that a bomb exploded near Shia holy shrine in Afghanistan, killing n wounding many muslims. ( possibly Taliban or Sunni revenge )''
Many Muslims and myself hope all those innocents who died in the shrine bombing find peace and those responsive are brought to justice for the crimes they committed this is no way justified in Islam as many Muslims believe this also
All Muslims are Muslims
''An Australian was kidnapped in a bloody incident in the Phillipines by the muslim Moro fighters''
Hopeful the Australian who was kidnapped will be returned unharmed as this also is hurting an innocent
''I think yr head is buried in religious studies, not wanting to know about world affairs n u are in state of constant denial all yr life''
This is not true as I have stated about extremist and what they are doing is a contradiction to Islam and is hurting Islam.
I have never denied that Muslims can do no wrong I have stated that only a small % do and this is blown out of proportion by the media and others (1% of 1.5 billion) to justify many acts against the Muslim people
Do not make assumptions about me as you are wrong I have stated that extremist Muslims doing these acts you hear about (never hear of the good) do not represent the other 99% of Muslims not hurting anyone but just going about there normal lives
Get to know a Muslim and study Islam and you will find the same
-JSOP
Deluding yrself again. Statistics show exactly the opposite of what u said. Today alone news reported that a bomb exploded near Shia holy shrine in Afghanistan, killing n wounding many muslims. ( possibly Taliban or Sunni revenge )….. An Australian was kidnapped in a bloody incident in the Phillipines by the muslim Moro fighters. I think yr head is buried in religious studies, not wanting to know about world affairs n u are in state of constant denial all yr life. Wake up, my friend.
A small % doing a crime does not make up the majority doing no crime at all
-JSOP
Just a few drops of clean water in the sea of bloody water. Just go " Islam Watch " n see how Hamas shooting n killing fellow Palestines just for playing music for a wedding.
99 Names of Allah wrote:
"what we going to do about Christianity"
Make a new religion and call it Islam:
Quran 5:43 – they have the Torah, which holds the commands of Allah
Quran 5:44 – We have sent down the Torah, which was a guidance and light.
🙂
If you cut the verse it would look like it but it doesn’t solve the problem in other verses that curses and condemns unbelievers.
Golden rule is human relationship and you can see from the tafsir that this is totally different.
im gonna ask him about golden rule in islam maybe, after my final exam in december as a personal research because this is almost sound like golden rule berbuatbaiklah (kepada orang lain) sebagai mana Allah telah berbuat baik kepadamu, (do good (to others) as Allah has been good to you,)
Er, there is no law in there, just a general advice. Islamic law contains specific prohibition and punishment.
Ibn kathir:
(But seek, with that which Allah has bestowed on you, the home of the Hereafter, and forget not your portion of lawful enjoyment in this world;) means, `use this great wealth and immense blessing Allah has given you to worship your Lord and draw closer to Him by doing a variety of good deeds which will earn you reward in this world and the Hereafter.'
(and forget not your portion of lawful enjoyment in this world;) `That which Allah has permitted of food, drink, clothing, dwelling places and women. Your Lord has rights over you, your self has rights over you, your family has rights over you, and your visitors have rights over you. So give each of them their due.'
(and be generous as Allah has been generous to you, ) `Be generous to His creatures, as He has been generous to you.'
(and seek not mischief in the land.) meaning: `do not let your aim be to spread corruption on earth and do harm to Allah's creation.'
In his Tafsir, As-Suddi said that Ibn `Abbas and Ibn Mas`ud commented,
(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,'' they say: "We are only peacemakers.'') "They are the hypocrites. As for,
("Do not make mischief on the earth''), that is disbelief and acts of disobedience.'' Abu Ja`far said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah said that Allah's statement,
(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,''), means, "Do not commit acts of disobedience on the earth. Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. Peace on both the earth and in the heavens is ensured (and earned) through obedience (to Allah).'' Ar-Rabi` bin Anas and Qatadah said similarly.
Ibn Jarir said, "The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth. The hypocrites also lie to the believers by saying contrary to the doubt and hesitation their hearts harbor. They give as much aid as they can, against Allah's loyal friends, and support those who deny Allah, His Books and His Messengers. This is how the hypocrites commit mischief on earth, while thinking that they are doing righteous work on earth.''
The statement by Ibn Jarir is true, taking the disbelievers as friends is one of the categories of mischief on the earth. Allah said,
(And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, if you do not do this (help each other), there will be turmoil and oppression on the earth, and great mischief.) (8:73), In this way Allah severed the loyalty between the believers and the disbelievers.
This is about the general duty to Allah but the problem is how you accomplish and expand it.
That’s what Sina’s doing, preventing it. Of course the muslims prefer the more "harmless", softer approach by slowly replacing kafir land into muslim land. They know that direct confrontation will not work.
im gonna ask my teacher about this he teach islam law ( hukum islam ) in Atma jaya university , maybe he can enlighten me, because he says that islam will never be an evil religion base on hablumminaas( muamalah) and habluminallah (Al Baqorah q : 5 : 21 ) “Dan Carilah pada apa yang telah dianugerahkan Allah kepadamu(kebahagiaan) negeri akhirat, dan janganlah kamu melupakan bagianmu dari (kenikmatan) duniawi dan berbuatbaiklah (kepada orang lain) sebagai mana Allah telah berbuat baik kepadamu, dan janganlah kamu berbuat kerusakan di (muka) bumi. Sesungguhnya Allah tidak menyukai orang-orang yang berbuat kerusakan.”(QS Az Zumar : 39)
if what ali sina predicted come true about the world war 3 ( war of religion ) or the crusade/jihad season 6 episode 1, then im better get out off this planet T_T…, if there is a god im gonna curse him for making humanity slaughter each other
Human created nowadays god including Islam.
"ppl usually miss interpret and missleading"
This is called denial. Muslims don't want to accept what their religion teaches, and they don't want to look bad.
General Pershing summed up this psychology well in his experience dealing with them in the Philippines:
"The Moro is of a peculiar make-up as to character, though the reason is plain when considered, first, that he is a savage; second that he is a Malay; and third, that he is a Mohammedan. The almost infinite combination of superstitions, prejudices and suspicions blended into his character make him a difficult person to handle until finally understood. In order to control him other than by brute force, one must first win his implicit confidence, nor is this as difficult as it would seem; but once accomplished one can accordingly by patient and continuous effort, largely guide and direct his thoughts and actions. He is jealous of his religion, but he knows very little of its teachings. The observance of a few rites and rituals is about all that is required to satisfy him that he is a good Mohammedan." – Pershing, The Great Generals, Jim Lacey
this problem of religion has been too long and too many blood spill for nothing, in the name of god that we never saw or hardly have any evidence. im tired of this
"quran, is a philosophical book"
Not so. The Quran contains no philosophy at all. Islam is a legal system. That's why Islamic scholarship is called jurisprudence.
"maybe its the 9/11 that makes ppl so afraid to islam"
Fear implies weakness. It isn't a matter of fear. It's a matter of recognizing and stopping a religion that teaches violence and sociopathic behavior.
As Sanada said, there are many Muslims who do not even know Islam's bad teachings and do not follow them.
There are also Muslims who know the bad teachings, but do not accept them for their own lives.
The verses that talk about the duty and purpose are hardly metaphorical. How can you put hidden meaning into a guide? That will create chaos.
The reason for “not all muslim” (means there are muslims who agree with it) is the culture they have. They still have the tribal and national identity unlike middle east which almost all of them call themselves Arabs.
The verses that talk about the duty and purpose are hardly metaphorical. How can you put hidden meaning into a guide? That will create chaos.
The reason for “not all muslim” (means there are muslims who agree with it) is the culture they have. They still have the tribal and national identity unlike middle east which almost all of them call themselves Arabs.
Qs 3:7. Dia-lah yang menurunkan Al Kitab (Al Quran) kepada kamu. Di antara (isi) nya ada ayat-ayat yang muhkamaat, itulah pokok-pokok isi Al qur'an dan yang lain (ayat-ayat) mutasyaabihaat. Adapun orang-orang yang dalam hatinya condong kepada kesesatan, maka mereka mengikuti sebahagian ayat-ayat yang mutasyaabihaat daripadanya untuk menimbulkan fitnah untuk mencari-cari ta'wilnya, padahal tidak ada yang mengetahui ta'wilnya melainkan Allah. Dan orang-orang yang mendalam ilmunya berkata: "Kami beriman kepada ayat-ayat yang mutasyaabihaat, semuanya itu dari sisi Tuhan kami." Dan tidak dapat mengambil pelajaran (daripadanya) melainkan orang-orang yang berakal.
Footnote:
Ayat yang muhkamaat ialah ayat-ayat yang terang dan tegas maksudnya, dapat dipahami dengan mudah.
Termasuk dalam pengertian ayat-ayat mutasyaabihaat: ayat-ayat yang mengandung beberapa pengertian dan tidak dapat ditentukan arti mana yang dimaksud kecuali sesudah diselidiki secara mendalam; atau ayat-ayat yang pengertiannya hanya Allah yang mengetahui seperti ayat-ayat yang berhubungan dengan yang ghaib-ghaib misalnya ayat-ayat yang mengenai hari kiamat, surga, neraka dan lain-lain.
im trying to read the quran and a lot of nasty verse that hard to find the metaphorical meaning from it. if mohammad rly instruct those thing then why not all the muslim commit same atrocities and even all my friend that have muslim religion are cursing, condemn the teroris in jw marriot, bali bombing and FPI ( front pembela islam ). i find it hard to believe that my friend gonna commit same atrocities even in the name of god. ( what kind of god demands blood from his own creation ) this is madness
The problem is that the Quran itself forbids metaphorical meaning on the clear verses and it claims the clarity of the commands. Most of the issue discussed here are from the clear verses. If the Quran wanted to make the illiterate Arabs to understand it should use the simple language.
The challenge Sina gave is also from the history of Muhammad. There is no such thing as deeper meaning if you talk about history.
Next time, you should ask the verse behind his/her reason.
well sometimes we debate about his religion ( this happen after i read faithfreedom ) and many question i ask base on faithfreedom, he answear calmly, he said that quran, is a philosophical book so it has deeper meaning than it seems ( literal). ppl usually miss interpret and missleading
Making peace with an ideology is impossible except you change or mix it with something else until it loses its original purpose. Islam has its extremist who is so adamant to restore the real meaning of Islam from “just another religion” to “Allah’s will”, on the other hand, we have the so called moderate who keeps masking the real Islam in order to maintain their faith thus protecting the extremist indirectly. You don’t have to worry about the hypocrite and the liberal one since they are already out of this ideology although they claim they are inside it.
Your friend looks like a hypocrite muslim who Muhammad hated so much. Yeah, you can easily find muslim who drinks or gambles just like in other religions which have its own hypocrites. Years ago I also overheard 2 muslims talking about “not befriending kafir” and both of them didn’t agree with this even though they knew they were taught like that. That was before I knew about Islam.
Indonesia should be thankful to the culture, not the religion. Islam failed to erase the Indonesian culture unlike the Middle East so there is still hope for it.
sanada is there realy no other way to make peace with islam ? since that religion have more than a billion follower. ( im from indonesia so english was not my origin language, my grammar is all messed up ). well im an atheist and i have a muslim friend and he know that im an atheist, but he seems so nice to me and no hostile attitude or trying to confer me. maybe its the 9/11 that makes ppl so afraid to islam
Still doesn't answer the problem. You act like you are a race.;)
Wow, kid, you are very hateful. You want to smash something you can’t reach here. I don’t know if this is craziness or just plain stupidity.
Yeah, this is a narcissistic remark and violence, precisely what kind of religion Islam really is. Like I told you, a human god. :p
All Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoRiYOplcwY&fe…
JSOP
John said ''You will surely burn in hell for your support of terrorist ideology''
How do you know I am going to hell? (playing God) Only God can say who goes to Heaven or Hell not you or anyone else (myself included)
I have never stated that you will go to hell and I would go to heaven, I have said that may God forgive your hatred for Islam but did not touch on the Heaven and Hell subject as I do not have the right like you to decide who goes to Heaven or Hell for we are but mankind not God (Allah)
Not terrorist Ideology realise the difference between extremist and normal everyday Muslim.
Many people can see the difference (including the Pope) Why can't you and others on the site see this
Quick to say I am going to burn in hell you are not God for no one knows who goes to heaven or hell or if they stay in hell (73 sect Hadith)
God can pass judgement on who he pleases and forgive who he pleases
You need to remember this
Bring others together to peace rather then apart to chaos
Job
Is that the best you can do?
This must be terrorist ad hominem week.
There's nothing but personal attacks. You talk about logic yet have none.
You will surely burn in hell for your support of terrorist ideology.
John Said: ''And what about your extremism and terrorism? How many kafirs have you killed today? How many Shias have you killed today? How many women have you stoned today''
This comment shows what you are and how little you know of the Muslims countries again trying to say I am a murder terrorist and extremist my comment do not condone any form of extremist
Again John you are wrong and are also guilty of slander, incitement of violence, death threats and discrimination under many Western country Laws
''This site would be boring without the sociopathic contributions of Muslims''
Read all your posts and see who the Sociopathic person is John
Calling all Muslim Terrorist, all Muslim countries are savage, there holy text banned, there woman should have there face exposed when they chooise to cover it.
Hoping a Muslim is Assassinated yes that is very stable
You have no shame
May God forgive your scrambled logic and hatred for one Religion
Job
Respect is earned, not given.
What am I supposed to respect?
Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them?
Rape your war captives?
Stone rape victims when they cannot get 4 male witnesses?
Muslims are the best of all creatures while non-Muslims are the worst?
You haven't dealt with the facts in The Challenge. Which of Muhammad's traits should I repect?
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a madman a looter
You have not addressed the evidence against you. Islam has been tried and convicted. If you want to appeal the decision, you have to review the evidence. So far you have run from evidence while making personal attacks. Nobody is going to respect you while you bring this bad behavior. Your behavior only lowers people's esteem of Islam and proves this site is true.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
More ad hominems from a Muslim who does not know how to reason.
Your need to resort to personal attacks is a symptom of your feeling of insecurity about the weakness of your position.
Thanks for your comment. You can use the Edit button to the right of the Reply button to change your comments if there has been no reply in the meantime.
Oh good. More ad hominems. This site would be boring without the sociopathic contributions of Muslims. Plus, without your inputs people might think Muslims are civilized people.
And what about your extremism and terrorism? How many kafirs have you killed today? How many Shias have you killed today? How many women have you stoned today?
''Right. I suggested that as a Shia he might be murdered by a Sunni if he lived in the Middle East. Somehow that transformed into a death threat from me.''
Saying one might be murdered is different from saying hopefully you move to a Sunni Country and get assassinated (After you went of a hate filled rant about all Muslims countries being savage)
That is a threat and shows what you are, a Christian Extremist
-Job
''The way they drop to there knees no matter the place to pray is a standard that other faiths should have''
JSOP
''You will burn in hell.''
You can not play God Only God can decide who goes to heaven or hell not one Extremist Christian
''The message Islam sends is to kill or be killed.''
Do you really think you can try and pass this off a fact you may fool a few but no good Christian or Jew would think this
JSOP
Didn't the late pope say:
Muslims should be respected
Were one of the right ways to God
Was the religion of Abraham (PBUH)
Muslims worship the same One God
The way they drop to there knees no matter the place to pray is a standard that other faiths have
Yes he did I highly suggest you listen to your pope and show respect for Islam
Read his books if you do not believe me
No you are again wrong John some leave due to many reasons
Terrorist are born from many ways not just Islam
Many know what Islam is you and others on this site (By the comments) do not
-JSOP
//**So your comments like these will serve on pupose//**
Correction
So your comments like these will serve NO pupose.
Those who live by a sword will die by a sword. It is very general principal. Muslim's kill others for religion, Why you don't think other people will fight back. Another holocust people forgot is the Indian holocast at the hands of moguls. Now that Hindus are standing up and claiming back their land, you have issues. Muslim did the same thing in Isreal. Cursade in reltalation is the only thing you can remember. Suffering from short term memory loss? So your comments like these will serve on pupose.
Crucify
Thanks! B)
John,
This is the most hilarious part about some of your post.
"Are you a woman? Deficient in intelligence?"
You got Islam right.
I love another quote from 'A kafir':
"Don't trust a moslem corpse"
🙂 🙂 🙂
Believe me, I don't feel humiliated by you. Kids will be kids.
Oh! You're back! Thanks for the note. I thought you didn't love me anymore.
Show me your wrath Christian *** God
If you are real strike me dead now.
What? I am alive.
Christian God I’m going to smash your face in when I see you and hammer you back on the Cross where you belong.
Show me your wrath Allah.
If you are real, strike me dead now.
What? I am still alive.
Allah must not be real.
"But those who abuse the Messenger of Allaah will have a grievous
penalty." [Sooraah Tawbah (9):61]
What kind of post is this?
"I deleted your most obnoxious usernames."
These are the 99 Names of Allah B)
Muhammad just wasn't a very smart guy. He did a poor job of covering his tracks on so many issues.
That's just one, there are other verses that contain it. xD
Best of the creators is another example out of many. 😀
He started to make it personal and used racist remark. He also complained using the old tactic of “deleting refutation”. This will show other muslims that you can’t mess around with real issue especially with me so the excuse won’t work. No one wants to delete it. It’s just that muslims often don’t have anything worth to say. B)
Read it in mail and posted it here.:p
So that means you must have sent your responses by email after admin deletions.
And here I thought he didn't love us anymore. <3
Oh, I forgot! 😮
Satanic verses undoubtedly
Actually, deleted post will be lost as long as there is no reply. If there is a reply the "comment deleted" will be shown.
You should have seen my mail. It's full of his rant. Too bad the admin deleted it. :p
It looks like the admin has changed tactics from deleting comments to deleting users because the last dozen or so comments I have read of your responses to the King of Abuse look like you are replying to yourself with no trace of even a "Comment deleted by admin" remark.
Anything he omitted never make sense, remember? :p
I don't think he's Christian. I'm just making the logical conclusion of A+B+C:
JK: "I imagine all his friends have the same mentally disturbed dream. I wonder if they all have the same religion."
S10: "99.99% they have the same religion."
CGP: "Yes it's called Christianity."
It seems the useful idiot serves a valuable purpose to illustrate Muslim nature to the public.
It's more like reflecting the contradictory verses in the Quran. B)
Nevertheless he still reflects Islam's death cult mentality, all the while complaining that we don't like Islam.
A good example of contradiction caused by anger:
1. You wanted me dead by chopping and cutting
2. You didn’t want me dead because I was already dead.
3. You didn’t want me dead because I was not worth it aka still alive.
Great brain training, kiddo.
Don’t kill animal but want to kill me? Your prophet must be disappointed as he ordered black dog to be killed. Indonesia is majority muslim, remember?
Changing your mind, killer? In the past, you wanted to chop me, eh? Trying so hard to mask your desire?
Kiddo, calling me brain dead and a joke won’t even answer my queries in those articles. Are you trying to joke here?
Why then he keeps bashing it? Imagine a pack of daddies who are so childish and Christians at the same time, laughing with a muslim who bashes and insults Christianity out of pure hatred. It’s a comedy scene maybe? o.0
Kiddo, tell that to muslims, not me.
I’m not the admin, kiddo. I suggest you bring real refutation because you have nothing but insult. I can see yours in my mail but alas, nothing there except childish rant.
Try to be decent human and the admin won’t erase your post. Look at the rule below:
“We have terms for commenting, please behave like a scholar. No vulgar words if you don't wanna get banned. If you find any comment offensive, go ahead and report it, we will look at it and take proper action. Thanks You.”
In other forums, you will be kicked out and banned for violating this.
It’s simple internet language kid. Many internet sites also use this phrase. You can read various articles and see that. Often, they just use everyday language just to feel comfort and closeness as if you are talking directly to the audience. It’s not about error.
I thought you knew what you were talking about. Knowing the difference between “writing” and “talking” is not about grammar, you know. It’s a habit of certain act. Of course any rookie knows its meaning.
Hatred makes you like this. Instead of refuting the primary topic about Islam you chose to personally attack me again. Have you forgotten about your own error?
Know twitter? Why don't you criticize it too?
Kiddo, my belief has nothing to do with the evil in Islam but if you insist you can try to answer my question about god in other article. That will sum up what I “believe”.
Don’t just shout, do it, coward can do that. Amazing brain you have here. Have you checked what Indonesia is, its religion, cultures, and people? Most importantly is the number and variety.
Everyday? Not really if you look at the date. On the contrary, I’m just so amazed by your time that is wasted for insults and rants everyday as if you had no other things in your mind except hatred. Vengeance is part of the sunnah, I know.
Er, usually stupid and coward people do that. They love to make excuses for their inability to discuss and refute anything. They always say that they have no time for this and that but it’s amazing how many times they put on insults and rants. Youtube, for example, is a perfect specimen.
Mine in this particular post is short and you still couldn’t say anything. How small is your brain kid?
Fix Indonesia? Fix Islam in Indonesia first and give the minority a place to make greater role, even lead it. Too bad, muslims will not like it. You are aware that it's a muslim majority nation, aren't you?
Oh, kid, don’t throw your identity to me. Everyone knows you are so desperate.
Actually, my mother was very mature before marrying my dad and Indonesian law has a minimum age of 16. Not everyone is in line with your pedophilic prophet and your family.
Look at you, I asked for Quranic verse and you answered with another irrelevant insult. Damn, you are so stupid.
Hey, kid, your mom was already here long ago 😉
Kid, are you sure about inbreeding? You keep avoiding Islam about it. Majority of Indonesian is muslim. That means the holy trinity of Islam – Indonesia – Inbreeding is inseparable.
Do you want to deny your own prophet?
Don’t worry, many real inbred is way smarter than you, even Muhammad’s grandson is not that stupid.
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Too bad Osama bin Laden died before he could see the restoration of the Caliphate. Ahmadinejad will be disappointed to know he is not going to be the new Caliph.
Still in the bible? We live in reality and must now the priority plus Christianity doesn’t follow Torah. The violence is historical and the mission is not expansive.
I can say the same thing about Islam, right? Since Allah claimed that Quran is the continuity of the Bible then …
On the contrary, Islam is the true danger.
No. It means that he just publicly renounced Islam and converted to Christianity.
Report him to his imam for apostasy.
He also insulted all his friends by calling them Christians too.
Denying that you are a child would not erase your childish insult, you know. It’s no use to deflect it because everyone knows who’s running away from topics.
Behave like a thug and accuse your victim for being one. You have emulated your prophet well.
Society which is dominated by Islamic aura, wouldn’t you agree kid? Inbreeding has its place in Islamic teaching and thankfully I’m not the one because of “obvious” reason. What’s the reason? It’s obvious, isn’t it?
So? I don’t even eat dog and majority of people here don’t eat it. Are you accusing that muslims who are in majority eat dogs? Indonesia is not homogeneous country and consists of many races, cultures, and beliefs. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
Youtube is hardly a reliable source.
o.0
Islam to be exact 😉
You do realize you have made blatant error here?
Who? Source? Scriptural sanction?
Ustads also do that. :p
Source please….
Do you think the world is just UK or US? :p
I know you didn't pay attention to my post. Check again, kid. B)
Quick! To the Batroom Robin!
See? You just run again, typical. :p
It's not me who hate dog, it's muslim. B)
We've got our Queen now the King arrives. A marriage would be nice, Islamic one of course. xD
Holy insult. o.0
Another hatred from a follower of hateful religion. xD
The source is his comments, kiddo. :p
Good, good, keep going for it, racist. Everyone will know what Islam has done to human brain. :p
I'm advising you to calm down, it's no use to deny it, kiddo. 😉
Third world? Yeah, it's a muslim country after all and Muhammad allowed inbreeding. xD
Your shoe must be a divine shoe. Is this how muslim use shoe? :p
This is was abrogated by the later verses saying something to the effect of "Love thy neighbour as thyself" "Look at big lump in your eye before looking at the speck in others eyes"
You are using too many usernames and they are not dignified names. “I’m ass hole, Sanada EatsDogs, Scrutator and other names like this are impolite. If you want to post in this blog please follow the rules of decency.
More abuse from the King of Abuse.
Err Okay xD
You are really weird. You come in here with the worst manners I have ever seen and you have the idiocy to say I have bad manners.
Catholic priests say hes a Pedo
You mean like Christians? yes your right about that.
tell that to the 10000s of victims of Catholic Priest Pedos in UK and Us oh I forgot you **** ********* *******
Yes it's called Christianity.
No representative of a true religion would be this obscene. There is nothing holy about Islam at all.
I'll be there punishing your Christian God by bashing him over the head with a cross.
I'll take the shoe and beat your Christian God:)
You kill dog, racist kid? Just like your prophet. :p
Racist kid, you are missing the point. Coca Cola and Mc Donald are healthy because most people eat it. I just followed your brain here, don’t blame me.
o.0
Here’s the short list:
1. Allah stayed silence when Muhammad got pressured in Mecca because of his selfish act
2. Allah stayed silence when Muhammad got hit by stones in Taif
3. Allah stayed silence when Muhammad got wounded in war
3. Allah gave Muhammad painful death. He didn’t let him go in calmness and peace.
Good, keep showing the readers about your Islamic behavior, killer.
Oh, sure. It was Muhammad who had lust over 6 years old kid. He even persuaded Abu Bakr for it. Mother of refutation? I’ve killed that “mother” and no muslim can answer me.
Just look at you, nothing but silly excuse. Are you sure you know how to make argument and proof? Blinded and emotional rant isn’t one.
So to you, your insult means reasonable argument and my reasonable argument means insult? Great brain training you have here, lad.
Can’t I see a normal response from you, at least once, killer? You are addicted to insult.
Tell me, is this wrong:
Wise people seek first then talk but stupid people can’t stand the urge to talk therefore they make mistake, just like you about me.
It’s called proof, learn it.
Kid, Islam is racist in the sense of splitting humanity into groups and of course sects. It acknowledges the superiority of certain groups towards others just by using the group’s name. Muhammad was also racist when he hated Jews because they were Jews and mocking black people.
Btw, Judaism also consists of many races, you know. I thought you know what you are talking about, kid daddy.
Just fact, kid, just fact. Rabbi's word is like fake hadith and it's not used anymore. I’m waiting the source about pedophilia and its urgency about violence. It’s historical and poses no threat anymore. Why should I care, kid?
Nope, kid, just a fact. I’m right to say that you are wrong about enlightened25. Keep shooting yourself, it’s fun to watch.
:$
Sorry, I can see you are here every day unlike me. It’s you who have no other business than insult. That post is not long and it’s just destroying your silly post. It’s that simple, kid. Anything you can’t answer will always be covered with petty excuses. Isn’t that right, kiddo? 😉
So? That’s Judaic Law, not Christian Law and it’s not practiced anymore. You just keep shooting yourself here, kiddo. o.0
Sirat Rasul Allah is 700 years after Muhammad? That’s new. You do realize that muslim uses it to know the history of Muhammad and his wars, don’t you? Get your fact right too, kiddo.
And the mounting is sahih alright, it doesn’t contradict the Quran too.
The only person who has immense hatred is you, remember killer? Your god and prophet also had hate and insult, like kids.
It’s clean too at least it doesn’t enter your “stage”. You should bring scientific evidence about this one before bashing it mindlessly.
And you said that because?
Why did Allah save Jesus from dying on the cross, but he wouldn't do anything to save Muhammad from dying?
Maybe Allah will strike you dead too instead of letting you harm Jesus.
Did you ever read the Quran? Are you a woman? Deficient in intelligence? Do you know where that verse is?
You are funny. You come in here and set the tone with a thousand spam messages of insults, abuse, obscenity and death threats, and then you want to complain about having a decent conversation.
So you don't even know of the various races that have Jewish members. You are a joke.
It wasn't Muhammads idea to marry Aisha, I've seen the mother of refutations against this accusations, your a liar.
More insults, this is becoming repetitive. Can't I have a decent convo without you being abusive?
Just learning from you.
You lie even to yourself!!!!!!!lol!!!!! How can Islam a multi racial faith be compared to teh racist Jewish only relgion, you reall are deluded!!!!!
Right. That's why you are here. Of course, Muslims don't qualify as people, do they?
Right. You're only here to pass the time because you have a busy schedule and don't have time to write long posts. But you have time to spam a million of the same posts. Gotcha. Smart man you are.
Ali Sina will be glad to hear you have a refutation to him. He has been getting tired of running this site, but he has promised you $50,000 to prove him wrong. He also promised to shut down the sites and admit Islam is right. So now that you have refuted him, he will be glad to get rid of the $50,000 that was clogging up his bank account and get a break from running these sites that have been such a boring burden to him. He will be truly grateful to you, so be sure to let him know you want your money and he can shut down the sites now.
Lol!!!! So angry!!!! yes John show your true colours!!!!! 50,000 errors in the Bible, Rape, Incest, Peadophillia, Terror, Genocide, All approved in the Bible!!!!!!!!!!bwahahahhahahahahhahahahhaaahaha!!!!!!!!
More insults, keep them coming thats all you know.
He won't be around. He is a runner like auntie.
"You are one angry, abusive hate filled person"
Talking about yourself again? It's actually a perfect description of your behavior.
Don't like the truth about Muhammad and his puppet Allah? Don't shoot the messenger.
What public? lol!!! People got better things to do.
Tell that to the ulama who quote it.
Right. That's why they are called "sahih".
Unlike you, I have a busy schedule and don't have time to write long posts, I have investigated your claims and found pure lies. I have read the mother of all refutations against Ali Sinas lies that the prophet was a peadophile including other refuations. No one is interested in your site thats why its just you Sina goons posting and the only member of public,me. The only reason I'm here is to past time:)
Wow!!!! You are one angry, abusive hate filled person!!!! So much rage, psychotic even!!!!!!! I think you should get some help with your deep seated problems. I wish you all the best in your treatment and maybe you should stop reading the Bible because its teaching you to be insane, crazy book don't read it.
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Get your facts right, No Muslim has claimed Sirat to be authentic, the first was written 700 years after the Prohpets death, you imbecile.
We don't blindly follow the 6 Sahihs, there are fabricated Ahadith within the texts.
And how clean is your behind after you wipe it with toilet paper? urghh!!!!
Saying the word repeatedly will make it so will it? okay, maybe you should learn when to use the term 'hate' as its obvious you have no clue.
99.99% they have the same religion. 😉
I think his dream had something to do with chopping. I imagine all his friends have the same mentally disturbed dream. I wonder if they all have the same religion.
😮
As I recall, barbarian in the past often laughed over nothing. 😉
They even laughed when they omitted stench.
Muslims wash their behinds but how can you actually clean it perfectly in accordance to the teaching of the old Mo coz your hand cannot fully reach it? I guess they wash their each other behind until … o.0
End game of a dream about me being a zionist, a jew. 😉
Guess what, this muslim mentioned its friends and claimed that they have the same attitude with it. Imagine a pack of people like it, crazy isn't it. A group of daddies acting like kids and laughing when cornered. 😉
And the grammar doesn't get any better either. "Wash are behinds?" Truly barbarians knocking at the gates of civilization.
"I know what the end game is"
I want to hear what you think the end game is.
Oh, the hate keeps mounting up. xD
Hadith and Sirah is authentic to the muslim who believe in it and practice it. Science of hadith? Don't generalize sectarian things, be specific. I've done that with Isaac Wood who was so proud of it. Go check it out.
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This shows you cannot answer the question. Ancient Hinduism is absent in the Quran and contains different concept of god and of course not monotheistic in the sense of Islamic one. Buddhism doesn't recognize god so you better learn before opening your mouth, kiddo.
The question posted by Duratma is not answered. :p
Another proof, keep going, kid. :p
Tomato source.. that means you are just a tomato, a rotten one because you cannot provide any source.
Don't worry, me and John are normal and of course don't know each other. We also live in different continents and speak different language. Don't get jealous, okay. Usually, the one who brings something is the one who experience it.
Come on kiddo, that's not how to answer. Source please…
Playing around with tomato is childish, grown up doesn't do that, big old daddy with kid's brain.
Good, mohammadan, show your true self as a muslim.. 😉
Allah is just human and the same with other creations. He can get angry, sad, irritated, happy, shocked, disappointed etc. There are many creatures like him and I've proven it if you really have the gut to answer my queries here.
Of course at this rate any human is comparable to Allah, the best of the creators.
Monotheism in the Quran is simple and contain logical fallacy. Try to search my post about that. Yeah, any polytheist is evil and must be killed if refuse, any apostate can be killed too. What an evil religion Islam is.
Oh, you have read books? You should have no problem discussing it then. Just click my profile. Also, there are other religions which are monotheistic, a pure one, as simple as kindergarten mathematic.
Personal god is made in human mind and applied in religion as we see in Islam and other religions. Personal god consists of personality and personal ambition, desire, purpose and of course exclusivity. Personal god can be defined as human form of god and that's Allah. 😉
enlightened25 belongs to ne religion as far as I can see, kiddo. Come on, you really have an issue, a mental one.
Talmud is not Torah or word of god at least to their faith. I don't know about Allah's view, ops… Check the related article, does quran prohibit killing.
Er, you misunderstood me again, kiddo. When I write, "inspired by god" means their works were claimed to be inspired by god and that means they don't claim a literal word of god like Quran. I was talking about the faith. You should read my other post in marrying a muslim man to see what my "faith" really is.
Wise people search info then talk, stupid people can't stand the urge to talk… Which one are you, quite obvious right?
So? Israel and Judaism cannot be compared to Islam the racist of them all. Islam still cannot change, that's the main reason of this site… xD
So you are not knowledgeable aka stupid, right? And added with your abusive behavior and killing instinct, what kind of person are you? xD
Just ask this kid about the verse in Quran which states, "child marriage will be abolished in the future because it's not acceptable".
Easy. :p
A pathetic kid want to teach me about the word "pathetic". Aren't you aware about the ancient traditions? Why are you calling Joseph pedophile and without source? :p
Shot your own foot kiddo… :p
I've told you that the issue is refuted in the related articles. Just read it. No culture endorsed that practice and certainly not in Arabia at that time. Anyway this practice is bad and as the prophet of god for all time he should know it, not following it (assuming you are right) and causing pedohilia to be legal for eternity. Just like disease, at that time, it has no name but doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Pedophilia is an attraction to children below 13 years old. You are seriously need some basic knowledge.
You obviously haven't read anything I posted on related article. Do you think your post is new? Check the pedo articles and see this repetition. :p
It's not a mass scale, kiddo, it's isolated incident happened only in certain countries due to the culture and marriage restriction in Catholic rule. In my country it doesn't happen but muslim do it. Many ustads sodomize kids in madrassa.
The article is right here, just go to Aisha, child bride of Muhammad or Was Muhammad was pedo. No need to repeat refuted junk post, ok. 😉
Oh, source please. Coca Cola is also a healthy drink because most people drink it..:p
Islam is a barbaric law from 7th century arabia. Hello… you are missing the train, kiddo… :p
PS: Some muslims are so clueless about the reason I call them A or B. The cause is the lazy attitude and emotional mind. Do read my other post stating the reason for my act. :p
Natural order of the religion, kiddo. We all attack Islam, not muslim. Look that the slogan. I also react differently to different muslims. You can see for yourself but to a killer kid like you, well…. 😉
Oh, does that mean my queries about the falsehood and evil in Islam is somehow proving Islam to be right? You should tell that to Muhammad and his jihadists because Allah could never stand alone and always relied on these people. :p
Is that fact? Why there are many muslims become apostate? Why there are many allergy to the sharia law? Oh, don't worry, with your current state I know I will never be proven wrong. My queries stand strong and no one here can answer it.
My comment is stupid? And yet, no muslims can even answer it? You guys must be retarded.
I call you a kid because of your behavior not your age. You are a daddy, no wonder your brain cannot work well, you are old. Come on, don't bring your personal experience to this site, it's no use. My dad never do that. Just because your dad is abusive doesn't mean you must become like him. Poor kid.. xD
Kiddo, the source is authentic alright. Just enter the discussion if you have the gut. It's one click away… :p
Petty denial, kiddo. 😉
Kiddo, you don't know the difference between running and confronting, eh?
Isn't it clear that you run away from my 10 points and my queries? My answer about bible is ignored too. Is this not running?
Nope, it is you who want me dead, the proof is your own post back there. :p
All of them. How many imams can you find to renounce the Quran's violence? The message Islam sends is to kill or be killed. You are responsible for the millions of people killed by Islam. God have mercy on your soul. You will burn in hell.
False accusations? You can't see what a low-class person you are? That's actually too high for you. How about savage? Or barbarian? Does that fit you better?
You don't have enough brain-power to know the difference between something people do because their religion teaches it and something people do against the teachings of their religion.
Your Quran is filled with a thousand mistakes. You are blind, deaf and dumb.
So you don't even know Enlightened25's religion? Do something else to show us how much you know. The public is watching.
Allah is the lowest below the lowest pig. Muhammad has pretended Islam is theology and invented the Quran so people would think god approves of his crimes. Allah could not create a drop of water if he tried because there is no Allah. Monotheism would not have a bad name if it were not for Muhammad's fake god he called Allah. The Quran has described in great detail Muhammad's crimes of murder, rape, robbery, and slavery. Islam cannot compete with any other religion, for even the most primitive jungle belief is superior to Islam because they are not riddled with Islam's sociopathy. You cannot understand God through Islam because a real God would not say the sick things the Quran says. Allah is made up in Muhammad's head.
You still don't know the difference between Sauce and Source.
I see you also have not read the verse:
"whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Have you no fear of burning in hell?
Let's talk about Muslim homo fun:
Boys of the Taliban http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?…
WARNING: Graphic Content
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfbYkXtHuA
Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZPIbz-n_c
Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKAuJewbXg
Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqNPJVWzpw
Ann Barnhardt "Islamic Sexuality: A Survey of Evil" Part 4 of 4
You should really be ashamed of humiliating yourself publicly like this.
What do you do on Thursday nights?
“You are a brain dead ignoramus” – and yet someone responded. It shows the high IQ of the individual that's responded, doesn't it?
Allah is high and above all of creation and outside the realm of the creation, he has given Muslims a detailed understanding of theology through the Quran. Allah is not comparable to creation in any sense and the Creation is not comparable to Allah, we could not understand monotheism without the Quran which has explained in great details what constitutes Paganism, Idolatry and Apostasy. I have read many books giving a detailed understanding of Monothesim, no other ideology or religious system can compete because they are riddled with Paganism. You cannot understand God through personal beleifs, maybe basic understanding because you will allow your imagination to affect your understanding, "Personal God" is made up in your head.
So you don't even know your traditions? shame on you Budha.
It's still a racist religion, the Rabbi still said those words about gentiles and the Jews chose to follow there priests who say its okay to have sex with a 3 year old. Jesus warned the Jews but they decided to kill him instead. There is no mistakes in the Quran only in your head. "And Allah has sealed there hearts so they are deaf, dumb and blind"
Catholics sexually abuse children on a mass scale, are you going to blame Muhammad for this? I never said Muhammad sexually abused children in fact wear your glasses and you will be able to read my comment, then again like the verse in the Quran Allah ha made you deaf, dumb and blind.
False accusations again, your stupid psychological trick doesn't work on Muslims maybe on Islamaphobes but there brain dead anyway.
Are you blind? or can't you read? Put your glasses on and read my comment you fool.
That's source, not sauce.
It's so difficult when we allow the uneducated to post here…
I think you need to wake up. Apparently you don't know anything about how Muslim jurists use the Hadith, or their position of authority in Islamic jurisprudence. There are many Hadiths, but critics of Islam generally limit themselves to the 6 sahih hadiths because they are the most accepted and authoritative. Since you appear to not know any of this, it makes you the one who knows nothing of the science of hadith. Learn your religion before you come here spouting nonsense.
Your questions are like a 3 year old baby's questions.
So you don't believe the Quran and Sunna are authentic? You are a Muslim blasphemer, or an ex-Muslim.
Yes, we are aware of the Muslim jihad genocide that killed 300 million non-Muslims. You must be proud of yourself for such murder on an industrial scale.
Insults do not make you a very attractive partner for conversation.
It only shows the weakness of Islam's position and the low quality of people that Islam produces.
Not acceptable in this day and age? How many imams agree with you?
Thank you for confirming that Muhammad sexually abused children.
The Talmud and the Grand Rabbi do not have scriptural authority. Hence Israel has many sects just as Christianity has many denominations. Judaism and Christianity are flexible about interpreting the scriptures, plus there are many areas where the scriptures are not clear and are open to interpretation, or simply categorized as "unknown". This is quite different from the Quran which is said to be the literal perfect word of God. That is why the Quran is so easy to disprove – because any little mistake is proof Muhammad/Allah is a liar, whereas in the Bible, mistakes can be attributed to human error.
Which Imams? You are saying there is a natural tendency for Muslims to kill, what message do you send to Islamaphobes? kill or be killed. You don't care about the extermination of Islam, you want the Muslims exterminated, Thats what will happen and on your hands will be blood. The Nazis spoke about jews this way before they decided to exterminate them..
On what basis do you call me scum?
How do 20,000 converts on the false pretense of Islam being a Religion of Peace [TM] compare to Imams in Africa and the Middle East complaining of millions leaving Islam every year?
Who is in a better position to evaluate Islam? People who live where it is practiced in its full oppression and violence, or people who live where Islam is in the minority, so they pretend to be peaceful?
How about Tomato Source fool.
Shame you can't see your own hatred and hypocrisy, Imbecile Hahahaha!!!!!
Thats pathetic, you know full well the ancient tradition was to marry young and this tradition was for all societys. No one critised The Prophet not even his enemies but it's not acceptable in this day and age. Pedophillia is sexual abuse of children, Muhammad was free of this as he was married and they stayed together for the rest of his life, you obviously have no knowledge of ancient traditions.
Who's running? Im still here aint I? It's insulting for you to hear the truth. You want to see Muslims suffer because Islam won't suffer. You want to see Muslims murdered by Islamaphobes that your only goal.
I never said I was knowledgable, Why are my questions crazy? too difficult for you to answer? I know Sina does not use authentic texts and anyway why are you calling him Dr he doesn't even exist!!!!!!. Look why are you ignoring the Muslim Genocide of this century? Your a Jew lover even though they killed your God:)
Islam can prove itself, Islam is so strong there are 20,000 US converts per day. Islam is not a Philosophy and Isllam has survived for 1400 years and growing strong. I know what true Islam is and I know what the end game is you Zionist scum.
Who authenticated these sources? Do you think Sirat is authentic? Do you think we blindly follow Bukhari? You know nothing of the Science of Hadith, go back to sleep.
This shows you know nothing about Islam or the history of Hajj and nothing about your own beleifs. Ancient Hinduism and Budhism were MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS calkling to the worship of ONE GOD but you took it to extremes like the Christians who proclaimed there holy man as God. You are a brain dead ignoramus.
Islam cannot prove itself. Islam is a weak religion that can only sustain itself by death threats. If Islam were even a reasonable philosophy, it would be able to survive on its own merits, but Muhammad was a mentally ill criminal and sociopath, so Islam has nothing to offer. The happiest Muslims are the ignorant ones who don't know about Islam's pathologies. Once people learn what Islam says, they either leave it or turn into terrorists.
These kinds of comments only make you look like a clown.
You come in here like an amateur with no qualifications and say crazy things about professionals and professional-quality work. You have nothing of quality to offer, but only give insults as if that proves your position.
You brandish the names of authentic texts, but if Dr. Sina shows you something that your authentic texts day, you put it down. In reality that only means that you are putting down your texts, which makes you a blasphemer and you are no longer a Muslim.
Why don't you count the people who have died because of Islam's violence?
Jews inspired by God? You mean that Racist Relegion? The Talmud says a Jew priest can sleep with a 3 year old, haven't you read the Talmud? Don't you know the Grand Rabbi of Israel said the Gentiles were made to serve the Jews thats there only purpose in life!!!! Sanada you have shown your true colours.
I'm not here to proof Islam, Islam can proof itself thats why countless people become Muslim everyday. I'm here because I enjoy making a fool of you Sanada. I show my freinds your stupid comments and trust me they agree, you are one funny but stupid boy. Why call me kid when I'm old enough to be your Daddy? Look boy show respect to your elders or get beaten like your Daddy used to beat you, get me? LOL!!!!
John are you stupid? Ali Sina is a clown, his book is garbage, I have caught him lying continously over 8 years. Why would I leave the authentic texts for the writings of a warmongering islamaphobic donkey? Theres no freedom of speech in this forum? Wow!!! Islam will not die, countless Muslims women and Children will die at the hands of Islamaphobes because of your warmongering and accusations that Muslims are natural born killers. I know your plan, turn the world against Islam so when Israel attcks you'll say Mulsims deserve it you Zionist scum.
Oh, I'm not the one who want to kill, insult, and then running away. :p
Easy, read the article about Muhammad married Aisha while she was 9. It's authentic and try to continue the discussion. Now, you haven't provided source about Joseph and you ask for this. Double speak, kid? :p
And lets overlook your extreme hatred for Mslims and Islam.
You saying its authentic amounts to nothing, sources please.
Kid, I've told you not to be abusive, right? Your comment will keep missing. Look, your mother here is disturbed by your post. :p
Interesting and I can see one more illogical concept in the Quran. 😉
It's funny how they borrowed "Islamophobia" from "homophobia". It perfectly illustrates that they use the leftist psychology to intimidate to make something abnormal sound normal.
Islamophobia is not even a word. Look at the dict and it isn't there. So why not using the same method to describe irrational fear? There is so many of it. :p
"critiqueophobic" – now there's a new word. Make it viral!
Did you read about Allah's adultery as recorded in the Quran?
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/10/1moremusl…
Again, you brought no source and authenticity. Also, you didn’t explain the rule of marriage. In Islam, it’s sanctioned and practiced, in Christian countries, it’s not. Who invented the word “pedophile”? Muslim or …
Allah did the same you know. Why are you acting like a hypocrite, kid? Are you seriously think that this is inferior? Do you know what omnipotent god mean? Superior or inferior isn’t god’s domain, it’s human because you can measure and compare it. Anything that can be compared is finite attribute.
The Bible is libraries of Jewish people and written by people “inspired” by god. Nobody denies that because that’s the faith. On the contrary, Quran is also “library” of Muhammad’s life, not worth to be called godly words.
This is Dr. Sina's site and he can do what he wants with it. Take your free speech to the street if you want freedom to say whatever you want to say. Of course, that only works if you live in the US.
If you had actually read Dr. Sina's book, you would know that one of the purposes of this site is to prevent war by educating Muslims like yourself. If you read the book, you won't be a Muslim anymore. Are you brave enough to read it?
Muhammad mounting a child is authentic including its rule in the Quran. Just go to the related article and try to answer me there. Try to continue the discussion, killer.
Ah, freedom of expression or stupidity? Seriously, kid, you are so full of hate. I got 10 points for you and you run from me. Is that how a freedom likes? Free rat maybe?
Again, there is no source.
Right, but that’s how a personal god acts, just like a human. I suggest you read my discussion about that. The answer is obvious, personal god is desperately wanted to be known, worshiped, and obeyed. He uses reward and punishment to achieve his goal. He got emotional if humans didn’t obey him. That’s the fact.
Read the discussion here. :p
Source, kid. You haven't brought one.
Another historical verse, not worth to be discussed on the context of present day problems. 😀
So? It's just history, people of Israel don't do it anymore and it's not a rule for today. 😉
So? The act of blasphemy is also in the Quran and Islam is the only religion that still practices it. 😀
So, what's wrong with this history? It's not a rule, you know. It's about Israelite at that moment fighting for their promised land, not Christians. 😉
So? Even the monotheistic god cannot be proven and illogical. Mind answering my questions about that? 😉
Holy spirit in the Quran also did that you know, in the form of Allah's breath. xD
Tolerant and loving based on NT, not OT. Look at the teaching (not the churches) and the present day example. :p
Source? 😉
Isn't that the same god with muslim's? Are you sure you are reading it right? Last time you got it wrong. Now, why don't you read again correctly your hypocritical post?
Christianity doesn't have the doctrine, it's Judaism, remember? You are so clueless. :p
Look at the arrow. xD
What would anyone be ashamed if it's you were the one who failed to provide reference? You haven't done anything concrete here, even you run from my posts about it. :p
Your comment got deleted because it's abusive and reflects your bad upbringing. xD
Oh, another ignorant statement. If there is good and bad then how can religion be reliable? Does that mean that god is also good and bad? It's not about, it's about the content.
Generalization is a trend for critiqueophobic people
When did ever say i "wash a Penis idol with milk"? Logical fallacies from a muslim, what a surprise.
Shut up you fool, its not in the forum rules you donkey!!! Don't try to take my freedom to express myself in diffrent aliases and don't think you can tell me what to do you war mongering lunatic!!!!!
That doesn't make any sense.
And you wash a Penis idol with milk, so what.
It can't be valid as evidence if Muhammad never said it also I think alot of Christians would condemn you for stating there beleifs as lies. You are not any kind of authority on any subject and the lack of proof shows you are just a brainwashed degenerate parrott. I see you say I would enjoy Muhammad mountinga child, thats is sick and vile and a testament to your perverse Kamarsutra Hindu filthy mind.
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Aren't you embarrassed to make such a foolish statement publicly so everyone can see your low IQ?
What are you defending? Why don't you defend the victims of Islam's violence and oppression?
Your books say what they say. You can't weasel out of it by crying about misinterpretation. Read the Quran and Sunna. Once you learn the truth, you will be ashamed to be called Muslim.
You don’t care about right and wrong? I suppose it means you don’t also care about truth and falsehood too. What about life? Do you care about life? If you don’t then we don’t have anything to talk about. You have found your religion. But if you do, then know that I am doing this to save life. Hundreds of millions of people were butchered in the hands of Muslims and more are being killed on daily basis. But Muslims are the main victims of this lie. They kill each other and they have made this world a hell for themselves.
I care about right and wrong. That is why I want to eradicate Islam. No I am not an Islamophobe, I am an Islamologue. I know Islam and I hate it.
Now keep reading and you too will come to see the truth.
I dont care if everything on this website is right or wrong. But Ali Sina, why bother dedicating your life to something you hate so much or you're so much against ? You are definitely islamophobic and its probably because of some lost soul who mis-interpreted the religion for you and decided to go along with it as you did not have a positive imagination altogether. There is good and bad in every religion but its all about your IQ how you interpret it.
mary impregnated by the holy spirit and the resurrection of jesus are lies, but i dont find that harmful today. If you look at muhammad mounting a child (which i believe your enjoying this), stealing and murdering, these actually did happen.
Color coding threads would also help in scrolling up to see who a comment was responding to if you could change the background color on the user name line.
I have some ideas to improve this situation if the system is flexible enough to do this.
One would be that if comment A has response 1, and comment 1 has responses a,b,c
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Then comment 2 currently would appear below comment c. But instead, you could have the newer comments appear at the top instead of the bottom. Newer comments will also naturally have fewer responses and thus shorter threads:
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The weakness of this solution is the reverse chronological order following the train of thought if comment 2 also references comments 1,a,b or c in addition to comment A.
Another approach would be to not automatically expand the entire thread with the arrow button so that each thread has it's own button.
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Right. It shows in the nesting arrows and indent level.
But it is confusing since your comment appears below mine.
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I was replying to Umoron, and not John.
do you have anything meaningful to say than bashing anyone? Is that what you do in real life when you lose an argument?
WHY DOES THEY BASH OTHER MEMBERS!!! IS YOUR CAPS LOCK BROKEN? xD
Seriously dude, we don't moderate comments, the system auto delete vulgar stuff, and if someone report a comment and if someone bashing anyone, we delete that comment. You can find lots of Muslim comments who are not bashing other members. If someone is bashing you, report it.
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Zakir naik don't know anything about biology, plants don't have a central nervous system, they have chlorophyll to create food using photons from sun. While you can get all sorts of diseases from animals. Eating animals isn't harmful to humans, how ever dr. andrew weil recommends a vegetarian diet, but making up things to prove your religion as true isn't right. Pork also has many quality and a christian doctor can tell how much beneficial it is, a muslim doctor can fight to refute it and a normal doctor will try to stick with science.
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Your God impregnated a women then came out of her vagina, became a son, ate, slept, had a shit, was tempted by the devil and was killed by the Jews, what kind of inferior weak God with deficincies is this? who controlled the universe when he died? what nonxsense is this? The Bible is written in 3rd person and thats all it is a perverts 3rd person account
You are using too many aliases. Choose one and stick to it.
Mary's age does not appear in the Bible either.
What did you come out of?
Yes but the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary when she was 12 so your God was a Peadophile who came out of a Vagina.
"Source please. I've seen it long ago."
It's only found in the 5th Century apocryphal History of Joseph the Carpenter.
The Catholic church likes it because it supports their perpetual virginity of Mary theory, but it really only has widespread acceptance in Eastern churches, and has no Biblical support. Muslims like it because it makes Muhammad look good.
By the way, if the Catholics are right, it doesn't make Joseph a pedophile because they maintain he never had sex with Mary and Jesus' siblings are from a previous marriage of Joseph.
That doesn't work though because Jesus as the eldest was reading in the synagogue. So the whole 90 year-old theory is largely discredited and not widely accepted. It hasn't appeared in the Catholic Encyclopedia since 1913.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph#Later_a…
Sorry john I was posting for the other guy.
Actually, you are fine because the arrows to the left of both our names indicates that we are both replying to the same comment above us.
Intense Debate can be confusing because the more recent comments get nested on the same indent level below even if there are a hundred intervening comments before yours on a thread that forces yours far down the page.
You better go to some good psychiatrist and get treatment. You are fast loosing your mental balance.
No problem. I knew who you were talking to when I saw your remark in the preview pane 😀
Sorry John k. i was replying to j90m12 guy.
You better go to some good psychiatrist and get treatment. You are fast loosing your mental balance.
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Let me "illuminate" you some more, Joseph 90 Mary 12, big time Pedo like your God who impregnated Mary when she was 12, Sick Hypocrite!!!!
I tried but your partner in crime John K doesn't allow me to pass judgment on the vile satanic cult, he hates the verses in the Bible being exposed.
Your so ashamed of your Bible you deleted all my comments, shame on you, at least I know the truth.
No wonder Christians want to kill the Muslims.
He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
PS Joseph was aPeadophile, he married Mary when she was 12.
And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
ou laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.
You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!Y
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
"The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
To truther, your comment is missing again. I'm still waiting you to answer me point by point in my finisher to you.
You talked about reliable source. Here it is:
Er, it’s because there is no other source about pre or existing Islamic Arabia beside the one sided Islamic source. When I call “reliable” I means that the way they presented Muhammad and its prophet hood is not neutral and biased. It contains errors and evil deeds masked as godly deeds. That’s why we have no choice but to use it. Even with that we can still see the holes in it.
From the truth point of view, of course it’s not reliable. It’s just wrong and I want you to know it by showing it.
Wikipedia also doesn’t have any choice but to use it.
My job, kiddo? My job is already done by watching my post get untouched by muslims. I did ask you to click and search the topic. Why are you so lazy, slim?
Hm, are you sure? Not long ago you wanted to chop and kill me and now you back down and calling living person as dead. Contradiction again kiddo.
Wow, you are indeed the product of the same factory. Your words were the exact same thing with the muslim I talked to in FFI.org. He just said the same thing and of course he insulted too.
Kid, the reason my name is in blue is because I logged in to the intense debate comment system. It has points, see? I’m from Indonesia and no admin here can speak the way like I do. It’s the proof that I am not the admin.
Your father must be salesman… how do you know? Because you lie so much… Little joke, mate.
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Er, you need some back up reference for that. The pagan did know Allah as god but just a higher god from many gods. One god was not in their mind. Muhammad's uncle in his death bed just said that "making many into one" was a strange thing to do. He was so shocked about it. 😉
Hubal was also mentioned when in war of Uhud and Muhammad countered it by saying Allah.
Talking about intercession, there is another problem about it, a contradiction.
Really? How about playing around as human? He can come back anytime as god and got resurrected anyway. The power of “becoming human” itself is a sign of unlimited potential. As I recall Allah couldn’t do it and it makes him weaker…
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If you don't know what I mean then why bother responding? animals don't do genocide and killing for their own lust.
Read, kid. It’s “destroy” not “kill”. I thought you passed reading school.
Source? 😡
The source, kiddo. :p
Personal god, runner. ops. 😀
Source please. I've seen it long ago. :p
Please use only one user name. I deleted your most obnoxious usernames. I leave IslamForever and IslamRule but please post under one username. I know deception is in your religion. Even Muhammad had two usernames. His other user name was Allah. But please try to act civilized if you want to post comments in this site.
It;'s obvious, your name is highlighted in blue. You are here to spread lies and disinformation about Islam and delete any comments made fom knowledable Muslims, You have tricked alot of people with your deception but I can guarntee no one has left Islam because of Ali Sina, this site has spread hatred amongst those who already hate Islam. You cannot compete against the Lord of the Worlds, you are deluded. Islam grows stronger by the day and it's thanks to sites like this which make free thinkers investigate Islam and see the truth and see that Ali Sina is a joke.
No you are completely wrong, They knew Allah was the one and only God but they thought they needed intercession from there Idols. I have proof if you so wish.
Really? Who was forced to follow Islam and leave there Pagan beleifs? I don't know because I'm ignorant please tell me. Does this also mean Christianity is inferior?
Because they were free from the oppression of Muhammad and Islam, and they believed in a more advanced religion than Islam.
Why were they better off?
Islam is the main religion that talks bad about other religions because it is not able to survive purely by speaking well of itself.
It also kills apostates because it is unable to keep followers on the strength of its own merits.
Right. Don't forget he's Muslim, so his statement is congratulating Joseph, not putting him down.
Why are you complaining? You believe a pedophile was the greatest man who ever lived.
Show us the basis for the claim. Not from a muslim website, give a valid source.
SO WHAT? Does that absolve Muhammad of his crimes? You have not quoted your source so your claim is not believable, but even if you are right, it does not make muhammad look any better. Two wrongs are two wrongs, not one right.
Animals kill ther own kind you idiot.
Joseph was a Peadophile, the dirty old man was 90 when he married Mary who was 12. Why are you running away? I've got more info 🙂
Jesus was the son of a peadophile, Joseph was 90 and Mary married him when she was 12.
Don't worry. Allah doesn't exist, and if he did, he wouldn't tell anything to ali.
Don't feel bad. You have the same symptoms as many other Muslims who visit this site. Since your ignorance of the facts makes you unable to respond intelligently to the material presented, you react emotionally instead of rationally and resort to insults.
It is possible for you to let your brain take control of your emotions if you will just be calm and read the facts objectively. Your people have been deceived by Muhammad and Islam's guardians, but it is possible for you to become free.
All nations have good and evil people. Islam is different because it is an ideology which teaches evil. Muslims become evil to the extent that they follow the Quran.
And where do you get this bizarre math? Only a Muslim can be so brain dead.
Joseph was 90 when he married Mary who was 12, that means Jesus's father was a Peadophile.
Which God demands worship?
The Christian God is so weak and inferior that he decided to come down as a man, enter the world through a vagina, ate, slept, had a shit and was killed by the Jews on the Cross and also for some strange reason he used to pray to himself. Joseph was 90 when he married Mary who was 12 and this website which is infested with Christian apologetics spreading lies cannot even defend there lunatic beleifs and instead decide to attack Islam with lies and hypocritical thinking. I'm not suprised after Islam has made Christianity look like a laughing stock for centuries.
I'm amazed on how muslim like this truther says "reliable source" with a straight face. Didn't he understand that the source itself is Islamic and no way reliable when comes to the real truth?
All he needs to do his bringing the refutation but he didn't just like other muslims here.
Yo, truther, the only phobic person is you because you are afraid of anything that against Islam. All materials presented by me are from muslim sources, your own kind. It's your job to answer that, not complaining it let alone giving response unrelated to mine above. I'm asking you a proof, remember?
See my queries about Islam here and you should think outside your Islamic mindset while arguing something. :p
God is greater than anything so logically the worship is useless to him. Any god who demands worship so desperately must be a false god. Before you give rhetorical links like that why don't you try to answer me about this?
Islamic sites do bad thing about other religions because the quran teaches it. Islam also talks bad about polytheism. 😀
If Allah watches everything then it shouldn't be a problem for him to give Sina's location and his refutation. :p
Ah, you just said that all religions have good and evil and that means all of it are man made because the image of religion is good only. The reason is stated in the article, you should deal with it first.
No need for ad hominem here, just present the refutation. 😉
what about all religion? world has good and evil not blame islam muslim,
i went see website for calling shocking video with many nasty real life , world has many bad thing , all religion has good and evil human but ali sina is just bullshit satan worship evil
Ali Sina will never winner against islam , ali sina + anti-islam is big stupid dumb everything waste time, most islamic website or islam tv never bad thing about any religion, islam website islam tv alway taught for way of life everything and also never anti-any religion
ali sina take big enemies islam it al sina is go blow brain
your hero is Deedat, you are in a very poor shape.
TheEnslavedMuslim
And we care about Naik because… ?
I would like to hear about your life and your job and what you think is good about it.
"well, a lot of people used to worship, stones, idols, fire, other natural things, false gods and goddesses, other human beings, animals, winds, planets, sun, moon, stars etc."
They were better off before they got Muhammad, weren't they? I wonder why they accepted this regression?
In your site (Ali Sina rebuttal – rapist) you wrote "The above verse is telling us about the women that were lawful to the prophet. Lawful for what? Lawful for sex and to keep as a mistress as given in the Old Testament? Of course not! If you read the verse it becomes clear that the verse is about marriage. Hence in the given context, the Qur’an says that the women the right hand possesses, are lawful to marry, not rape or sexual gratification." Sir do you know what the word slave means? So Any women taken as a slave is lawfull for "marriage"?
In your site you have written, “The Free Muslim weblog helps to dispel the myths about Islam and Muslims . It is the answer to all the critics including Ali Sina of Faith Freedom ”
If you want to refute me you should read my book. Read it first to the end and once you get the full picture, start writing your rebutal. If you succeed refuting me, I will shut down all my sites and give you $50 k in rewards.
Speaking of rational thinking, what part of Allah is rational? The deity Muhammad presented in the Quran and talked about to his followers is an asinine god, with narcissistic traits. He is not only irrational but also unworthy of praise.
p.s. Also kindly don’t flood this site with dozens of links to your site. It is not going to help with the ranking. One link is enough.
well, a lot of people used to worship, stones, idols, fire, other natural things, false gods and goddesses, other human beings, animals, winds, planets, sun, moon, stars etc. the list goes on, it is never ending. people in certain parts of india still believe in black magic and humans being possessed by unholy spirits. god is obviously greater than everything that people used to worship, including their false and fictitious gods. i am sure you could do with a bit of rational thinking and common sense.
see http://www.thefreemuslim.wordpress.com
see http://www.thefreemuslim.wordpress.com
We use your sources. The violent secrets of your religion used to be maintained because of the division between the ulama and ummiyah in your culture. We used to have the same problem in Christianity where the clerics tried to keep the Bible from the masses. But then the printing press was invented and all the things the church was doing wrong was revealed. Now the same thing has happened with Islam. Non-Muslims now have your books and we know what you are doing. Your clerics were upset that Osama bin Laden revealed your secrets to the West, but we have already had your books for hundreds of years and we know what you are up to.
MR,SINA,i like ur speeches
U are not in good or bad side
But ure in between…
I agree with you always
Actually,this is the first time i've join this website
And I could tell u, ur speeches is amazing me
Thank you for all ur information 🙂
Yeah, I saw them too and reported them. I wish the user accounts were deleted too because the notice only says the comment was deleted, but the ugly user name remains visible to future site visitors.
Islam neutralizes the guilt of lying. It changes into the guilt of not obeying Allah. Allah will not see that kind of lie as a sin.
It uses my name too. Few of it got deleted but it's still in my mail. There are very mean and filthy words there. A good example of hatred.
Right. He's not like these other Muslims who dislike that which is good for them.
I thought your main man is that pussy Muhammad. Gandhi is also hypocrite too you know. Look it up 😉
Good, another hatred from Islamic teaching. :p
Nice urine teaching. Let's see if this hypocrite muslim can refute it. :p
Islam can be destroyed, the more you try to defend it the more it looks silly. It becomes weaker day by day. Islam is a threat because majority of people don't worship Allah the mad god and lick its prophet's arse.
Ah, that's the mission of Islam alright, to conquer and destroy everything. Islam is evil and must be stop. xD
Good, good, keep it up Mohammadan. <3
Oh, try to your mother first, kid.
Oh, one more of Muhammad's teaching. Speaking of bravery, why don't you answer my post about that. Your prophet is a pussy too and a hypocrite.
Clue: Verses about taking no wali and his action taking a wali from his kafir family and Taif.
Kid, I know you are the one who has hate so don't bother to mention it. You are the follower of hateful religion.
Good, the killer inside you had awaken and that's what Muhammad like. :p
Hm, that means the moderator can split into different types of style and personality. That's genius and not to mention that you can't do a thing about my posts. :p
Oh, the hate, the mood, I can feel it. :p
Oh, sure the pagan knew Allah was god but not that kind of god. Before you made a statement like that I suggest you bring reference about the concept behind polytheism in Arabia. If you keep spewing nonsense from your own opinion no one will trust you except the believer itself. That's the point of "belief", isn't it kid?
Your post itself is baseless and you have no refutation to the articles here. Be a grown up and admit your mistakes too. I've shown you that before. 😉
The language that comes out of your mouth is a reflection of the kind of person you are, not the person you are talking about.
Allah is the devil, and Muhammad his chief criminal. Islam may or may not win, but if it does, it is not because it is good.
Islam cannot be destroyed, the more you try to destroy it the stronger it becomes, Islam is a threat because the vast majority of people worship the devil, like you Sanada. Islam will conquer the world, so you can lie, decieve and commit genocide but Islam will live forever, God bless Islam!!!!! 🙂
Well, we can see which lemmings will be first over the cliff. Unless you recognise the danger of islam, you will vanish painfully into the night. Grow up and face reality. Your bubble is bursting, and you are guiding the needle yourselves.
What you really mean is that I will never have the depraved filthy mouth like you have.
Thank you for demonstrating to readers of this site that Islam is not a sacred holy thing, but rather is depraved evil straight from hell. I hope you enjoy living there when you die.
That's a good "illuminating" summary of Islam. Thank you.
The only disgusting filthy thing I see is your language.
Obviously no sacred religion could produce such filth. You are a clear sign that Islam is not from God.
I wish I was smart like you.
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BIG UP GHANDI!!!! MY MAIN MAN!!!!
The Pagans already knew Allah was God, the idols were worshipped so they could get closer (as they beleived) to Allah because they felt they were too sinfull, Just like in a Royal Court, what they didn't realise at the time is they didn't need Intercessors and this was the whole message to the Pagans, so this lie you have no proof for is baseless unless you can provide proof which I have asked you for over 2 weeks but you keep changing the subject. Be a man and admit you lied just as this whole website does.
Western Media is owned by the devil worshipping Illuminati you moron, who gives a *** what they say, thats no proof that these deviant religions are anything but vile.
"Ali Sina is a group of people – Regards Jakob"
If you had an education in literature you would be able to recognize the differences in tone and style between various writers. For example, Muhammad has a tone of affectation. Such nuance is beyond the abilities of Muslim barbarianism.
Ah, you brand anyone you hate with inbreeding. What’s wrong? Can’t stand the Islamic inbreeding and decide to give it to me? Sorry to disappoint but I’m not the one. The one who has defect is you. It’s clear from your many mistakes.
I too am happy seeing another muslim shows the Islamic teaching so greatly like this. As usual, no refutation exists.
Prove it kid.
Oh, trying to defend your mistake eh? It's clear that you said Indonesian inbred which indicate a specific thing and Indian xxxx too. Come on, racist, no need to shy.
PS: I don't worship anyone, one more mistake, kid.
Another insult from a "happy" muslim. :p
Err, I'm asking you to answer not repeat your post. You are just an internet phantom too without any proof unlike me.
Common sense? Do you realize that this was the obstacle for Islam when describing universe?
Oh, read my post and judge it. Your insult and abusive behavior is clear. You are so emotional until you can't even insult correctly. Remember Indian and giving fortune? :p
Oh, the only way you can escape is to insult again. What a terrific brain you have here. As I've stated, I just use my spare time to correct your brain. when I don't have the time I just don't do it. Come on, racist, don't run away from me. Answer me point by point.
PS: I never run, it's muslim who always run. 😉
Oh, don't worry kiddo, I wouldn't call the agreement between Umar and Abu Bakr as husband and wife tag team, would I? You always shoot your own foot.
Kiddo, in Islam it's called the day of resurrection not reincarnation. Are you sure you know its meaning? xD
Sigh, a typical opined minded muslim, refusing to see the proof and stick with personal opinion. If this site is "truth forum" then what are yours? Nobody gave you death threats nor deleting comments. It was you who refuse to answer me. That too just show what you really are, a delusional person incapable of knowing what's proven and not.
Right. I suggested that as a Shia he might be murdered by a Sunni if he lived in the Middle East. Somehow that transformed into a death threat from me.
Right. While Muhammad's mental disorders were not contagious, the closer Muslims draw to the Quran and emulate his life, the more they take on his symptoms such as NPD.
Oh, why did he make me like that? On what reason? You said that Allah knew that I would be one. did that mean that there is a fate that outside Allah's control? Hm… Not so tough after all, eh.
The proof is right here, the blunder, the atrocity, the selfish act, and the zero proof of him being a prophet. Other prophets are irrelevant.
Err, I'm not made from fire, you know. How do I type then? Another mistake made by you.
John, this muslim imitates Muhammad/Allah alright. When he hated someone and couldn't refute he chose to take it personally. Ex: Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab.
Oh, the insults keep coming. :p
You have a strong hatred here and without reason. It's called Hinduophobia and urine hypocrisy if you know what I mean.
xD
Er, kid, answer with relevant post, please. I see you haven't read my other posts about Islam. :p
The BS is clear in Islam. finish this first. :p
I see you know Christianity as well as you know Islam.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
The only source of information about Muhammad is hadith. That is how you and I know him. The hadith cannot be 100% trusted because it is written by Muslims who lie to make their prophet look great. All the miracles attributed to him are false because Muhammd in the Quran atested that he cannot perform miracles and his only miracle is the Quran. However, it is unlikely that believers would lie to make their beloved prophet look like a criminal. So if such stories exist in such a large number, it is because they are true,
He has been creating some dozen user names derogatory of my name. I asked Jonathan to delete them, but the system only deletes the comment, not the user name, so the name remains and the comment is gone, which sometimes isn't as bad as the name.
There are half a dozen such comments above in this conversation alone, some deleted, some not.
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Muhammad has more pages recorded about his life than anyone else in history.
Start here. Ali Sina will pay $50,000 if you can prove any of these wrong. Put your money where your mouth is:
Muhammad is:
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leaderan assassin
a terrorista madman a looter
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
Oh. If you say so, it must be so.
Qur'an (6:93) – "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?" (Apparently not the adulterer or others for whom death is proscribed).
Qur'an (33:57) – "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"
Qur'an (33:61) – "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
Bukhari (59:369) – This recounts the murder of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet who wrote verses about Muslims that Muhammad found insulting. He asked his followers, 'Who will rid me of this man?' and several volunteered. al-Ashraf was stabbed to death while fighting for his life.
Bukhari (3:106) – "The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire."
Bukhari (4:241) – Those who mocked Muhammad at Mecca were killed after he had retaken the city and asserted his authority
FROM THE HISTORY OF TABARI, VOLUME 8, pages 97, 98 (1)
"According to Muhammad b. Umar [al-Waqidi]: "In this year a raiding party led by Kurz b. Jabir al-Fihri set out against the members of the Banu Uraynah who had killed the herdsman of the Messenger of God and driven off camels in Shawwal of the year 6. The Messenger of God sent Kurz with twenty horsemen.""
FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI (2)
From Volume 1, #234
1.234: Narrated Abu Qilaba:
Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle ."
From Bukhari Volume 2, #577
2.577: Narrated Anas:
Some people from 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones.
Similar references are found in Bukhari 5.505, 7.623, and 8.797.
FROM THE SIRAT RASUL ALLAH (THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET OF GOD), BY IBN ISHAQ (3), pages 677, 678
"A traditionalist told me from one who had told him from Muhammad b. Talha from Uthman v. Abdul-Rahman that in the raid of Muharib and B. Thalaba the apostle had captured a slave called Yasar, and he put him in charge of his milch-camels to shepherd them in the neighborhood of al-Jamma. Some men of Qays of Kubba of Bajila came to the apostle suffering from an epidemic and enlarged spleens, and the apostle told them that if they went to the milch camels and drank their milk and their urine they would recover, so off they went. When they recovered their health and their bellies contracted to their normal size they fell upon the apostle's shepherds Yasar and killed him and stuck thorns in his eyes and drove away his camels. The apostle sent Kurz b. Jabir in pursuit and he overtook them and brought them to the apostle as he returned from the raid of Dhu Qarad. He cut off their hands and feet and gouged out their eyes."
FROM THE KITAB AL TABAQAT AL KABIR (BOOK OF THE MAJOR CLASSES), Volume 2, BY IBN SA'D, pages 114, 115 (4)
Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Kurz Ibn Jabir al-Fihri towards al-Uraniyin in Shawwal of the sixth year from the hijrah of the Apostle of Allah. They (narrators) said: A party of the Uraynah numbering eight came to the Apostle of Allah and embraced Islam but the climate of al-Medina did not suit them. Thereupon the Apostle of Allah ordered them to live with his milch-camels which used to graze at Dhu al-Jadr in the vicinity of Quba close to Ayr at a distance of six miles from al-Medina. They remained there till they recuperated and became fat. One morning they made a raid on the milch camels and drove them away. Yasar the mawla of the Apostle of Allah, with a party confronted them. He fought with them. They cut his hands and feet and pricked thorns in his tongue and eyes. Consequently he died. The news of his incident reached the Apostle of Allah. He sent twenty horsemen to pursue them and appointed Kurz Ibn al-Fihri their leader. They reached there, and surrounded them. They captured them, tied them, and seating them on their horses they brought them to al-Medina. The Apostle of Allah, was at al-Ghabah. They set out with them towards him and met him at al-Zaghabah, the place where flood water came from all directions. He gave orders and their hands and feet were amputated, their eyes were extracted. They were crucified. Then the verse was revealed to the Apostle of Allah:
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His Messenger and strive after corruption in the land".
After that he did not extract eyes of anyone.
The milch-camels were fifteen in number which yielded much milk. They brought them back to al-Medina. The Apostle of Allah found one of the camels called al-Hinna missing. He inquired about it and was told that they had slaughtered it."
wrong
sorry
who made
david, jesus, solomon, joseph, adam, etc prophets?
u say Nabi Muhammed (SAWS) is a 'self made prophet'.. where is your proof?
and then what makes ALL other prophets legit?
shame ner
We don’t delete comments. The system atomatically holds the comments that contain vulgar words. I did not see that either.
One thing that never stops amazing me is how when a person converts to Islam he or she becomes a liar automatically. How that happens?
Okay keep deleting my genuine comments and then accuse me of posting insults, shame on you, you are a mouse and don't deserve my time, I'm glad I know the truth you are just a stupid little man, I just hope people don't fall for your deceit because you have failed miserably to convince me, Islam is the truth and you are in league with the Devil.
And what do you think people think when they see that I provided the source quote from the Hadith and you act like an idiot?
Who do you think they will judge to be pathetic?
You really think people are that stupid? they can read the posts and judge for themselves. You are a liar and a coward so keep running away you pathetic little man.
What kind of insane babbling are you writing here?
I already gave you the evidence and you ran away. Is that why you are obsessed with talking about cowardly running away? Yes, because that's what you do.
What now? Are you using my name hoping that someone will pay attention to you? Can't attract readers with your own name?
Oh I see. Name calling will make all your lies true.
OMG!!! You just corrected your OWN sentence!!! Hahahahahh!!!! You are such a ****** ***** ***
More insults, keep running away from your lie you stupid little man.
Maybe it would help if you got a new pair of glasses.
Or do you live in a Muslim area that doesn't allow Western technology.
I guess you will just have to stay blind.
Well said. Away with him!
What's wrong? No mental capacity?
Yes. Verbal diarrhea from the mouth of your prophet.
Do you know that insulting the words of your prophet is punishable by death?
(You need a dictionary. Oh, I forgot, you are illiterate.)
Now you illustrate that you are blind and don't know how to read. Everyone is impressed, I'm sure.
Only a Muslim can lose and think he won.
Oh, and one more thing. This site is created by Ali Sina to spread the truth about Islam. If you're so much interested in your vitriolic, acerbic balderdash, you might want to either create your own website that indulges in anti-hindu messages (strippingthegurus.com might be a good starting point to look at) or take your discussions to an anti-hindu website with a discussion forum.
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I don't think you want to get any of your questions about the hindu religion answered. However, if you should ever want that – I suggest agniveer.com forum. You can post each of your questions on that website – and someone will be able to respond with accurate answers.
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Having said that neither agniveer nor any specific website can be taken as the last word of the hindu religion. The hindu religion is highly decentralized – so even if some particularly "famous" person or organization or "concept" has fallen or failed, a million others will compete to take that position. Now, imagine, if masjid al-haram is destroyed due to an earth-quake – where will you muslims pray towards?
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MN
Hey.. you missed pointing out about Cow's urine. I've seen with my own eyes some more orthodox hindus drinking cow's urine.
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Talk about that too. See "HinduDog" – I don't associate or identify myself with anything too much to be infuriated when you abuse that "anything". So, go on with all your "opinions" about lingam and hindu gods (did you know there may be as many as 330 MILLION hindooooo gods & goddesses. From the food we Hindus people eat to our diverse marriage traditions to our diverse lifestyles (from the sadhus to gurus to yogis to aghoris) we simply love a hell lot of choices. Compare with your islam that leads to a wahabbi-salafi killing a sufi or shia terming them kafir.
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In Varanasi where great sadhus live there are enough aghoris too – and they live almost side by side. sadhus don't eat any meat – while aghoris *allegedly* consume even human flesh. So, as much as you attack hinduism and for the exact same reasons you attack it, I personally love it & respect it. A gay or lesbian in islamic sharia law is punished – in iraq they used to be killed (& continue to face persecution in Iran). But the Hindu religion has an "avatar" called arthanadheshwar which is half-man & half-woman – hermaphrodite. You can abuse the hindus – because there are temples which venerate said-avatar. But, I love my hindoooo brethren for the exact same aspect – that they can not only respect but also deify a hermaphrodite.
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I can go on & on & on – but what's the point. And what do you say about islam respecting a black "yoni" stone and the zam-zam water – is that water the orgasmic juices that flow out of the yoni? Are those flowing because the hindu lingam penetrated the islamic yoni? Oh, and apart from drinking camels urine (as prescribed in the hadith) do muslims also eat camel poop? If Rasool il Allah SAWS had consumed human flesh, human poop, human urine, camel poop – will muslims also follow it – it's just a hypothetical question.
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MN
Mr Jakob, it's so obvious that you are a despicable liar, just like Muhammad bin Abdullah! :@
“Who will Ali be going after next (As Ali is an atheist) Will Ali then compare other religions to Islam like he is comparing Islam to Nazis to discredit them? “
If any religion starts preaching what Islam preaches, such as “murder those who don’t agree with us,” I will oppose it. As long as they don’t have such teachings, they can worship a chimp and I respect their choice.
“This will be my last post on this ”Truth forum” as many are resorting to lying about what I said, deleting my posts and giving me death threats for stating my own opinion and what I know of Islam.”
Interesting! You accuse us of lying when you are lying yourself. I have never deleted the comments of anyone. Who gave you death threats? This is the specialty of Muslims. We are not in the business of killing people. We are not Muslims. This forum is free for anyone to say what they want. So please stop lying.
"This will be my last post on this ''Truth forum'' as many are resorting to lying about what I said, deleting my posts and giving me death threats for stating my own opinion and what I know of Islam." We are all so sad to see you leave, what with your perfect presentation of Circumstantial Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem Tu Quoque,Personal Attack, Red Herrings and Straw Man. At this rate you could even put zakir naik to shame. Who knows maybe you are the next zakir Naik, so Ali Sina and the rest of us "islamophobes" should watch our step from now on as the mahdi of islam has arisen.
I find it quite amusing that you accuse me of doing something which I didn't do (saying I allied with someone or I have an Alias and other ridiculous claims)
If anyone even read all of my post I did not do any of the things you are accusing me of doing
That's if they were not deleted (some were)
Ask a Muslim woman about the face covering and what it means rather then the ''rights are violated argument you all are going on about''
I already explained your questions and said that Muslims should just call themselves Muslims
I do not have to prove anything to you or your extremist followers. That say Muslims are the cause of all Evil in the world with out looking at themselves or any other walks of life.
Any real Muslim (All sects) would know you and Ali are stating far from fractal comments no surprise you are doing this as to what you really are.
Anyway you can have that opinion of Islam,Muslims or all religions on your account and praise Satanism like the other Atheist but I will not be changing mine on Islam because unlike those on this site I have studied Islam all sects and all the groups of Judaism,Christianity, and other Religions
Rather then all of you taking your hatred out on Islam look at your selves first
If Ali succeeds in destroying Islam (For his/her's own scrambled reasons)
Who will Ali be going after next (As Ali is an atheist) Will Ali then compare other religions to Islam like he is comparing Islam to Nazis to discredit them?
This will be my last post on this ''Truth forum'' as many are resorting to lying about what I said, deleting my posts and giving me death threats for stating my own opinion and what I know of Islam.
That just shows what you all really are
Good day to you all Mr/Mrs Extremist Muslim haters.
May Allah (God) forgive you all
Regards Jakob
What kind of trap was that lol!!! You are running away and changing the subject, This has nothing to do with your statement. You are a liar and a coward. You have accused the Prohet Muhammad now stop running away and give me the proof.
Ha! You fell into my trap! You don't know Islam well enough to know that those are Muhammad's words, not mine!
Listen to the words of your perfect example and go and do likewise. Go to Palestine and join the jihad while you're at it:
Muhammad said “I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allâh's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allâh's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
– Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301
Right. Your statement about reincarnation shows you have no knowledge of Islam. Are you a Hindu in disguise? Or maybe Buddhist?
Sounds like you are more evil. Why did Allah create you deficient in intelligence? Are you a woman?
Yes Allah knew you would be an evil human being thats why he has made you deaf dumb and blind.
You have no knowledge of Islam, clearly shows here. I'm not here to teach you moron.
Twisting words as usual just like you do with Islam, look this is what you said:
"Are you a woman deficient in intelligence?"
What did you measn by that, its obvious you believe women are inferior.
What is this a Husband and Wife Tag Team lol!!!
Just a Muslim mind.
Is it possible that you don't like something that is good for you?
Do you know what verse that is?
Talking about yourself again? Have you seen your psychiatrist lately? Have you taken your medications today?
Oh ! haven’t Overviewer told u that all the stories in the holy books ( including the Koran ) are fairy tales according to Prof. Albert Einstein as they contains too many scientific errors. BTW I am not a Christian any more than u are.
John you underestimate how stupid you are.
John you are a childish moron.
John, so much rage and hatred!!!!! I would never harm another human being, you have a vile and disgusting mind.
Only Muslims are cowards. Killing women and children are the only things you have the courage to do.
Would you like to show your courage? I can get you 72 virgins at the same time. Forget the 100 concubines deal.
Go to Pakistan or Afghanistan and present yourself to the local Taliban recruiter and tell them you want to be a shahid.
Then present yourself to the nearest US Army or Marine unit and they will be glad to send you to Allah.
What? You have a job? A Muslim with a job?
What's wrong? Can't afford slaves?
Well, it's a Muslim job, so you don't do any real work.
No wonder you have time to fool around on the computer at work.
I think Muslims are the ones with IQ problems due to cousin marriages, as your posts illustrate.
Sorry. It only works with your mirror.
Oh really? Where is it? I want mine too.
See? Convert from Islam and you get 100 instead of 72. What a deal.
Are you ready to convert now? I can arrange for someone to baptize you.
Your psychological descriptions sound like the "Truth" guy is a drug addict.
It would explain his belligerent conversational style, but being Muslim explains it too.
Maybe he's like Muhammad, a combination of mental disorder and belligerence.
I don't think someone at your uneducated level has access to any facts.
No hadith available, but they do follow Muhammad's recommendation to drink urine.
Oh! Finally you admit something! I quote something from the QURAN about WOMEN and you say it is DEGRADING women!
Do you realize YOU just said the Quran degrades women?
I am very happy, you are just an internet phantom like Ali Sina. One day you I hope you realise how ignorant you are but unfortunatley God did not giev you any common sense.
I can show you teh Devil, look in the mirror.
I don't hate India or Indonesia, I hate the primitive sub human inbreeds who live there and worship the devil instead of God, like you Monrel!!!!
Bloody Hell you really do need a life!!!! Do you think I'm going to waste my time reading that verbal diarrohea? No Thanks, I got better things to do. PS. I have to keep changing my name or your Admin frreinds don't allow em to respond when they make accusations aint that right John K you coward you ran away.
Well the Bible states 100 Concubines for the men of Heaven, You ignoramus.
Actuall they are all religions of the Devil. Hindus are masters at the Black Magic arts and conjuring up demons. Thats why they drink urine at eat fieces and worship other tha nGod because it makes there demons happy. It is not Spritualism it is Demonology. FACT!!!!
Why are you degrading women for? You have no morals,You ran away because you lied. Your not worth my time
Hm, kind of hard to deal with muslim standard of idolatry but they have their own dict about it. Black stone is just ordinary stone but with cheap excuse like "Muhammad did it" is enough to kiss it. Does that mean that if Muhammad kiss a feces muslim will do it?
I see that very disturbing using "eastern" religious tradition like shaving head or wearing monk like clothes. Was Abraham shaving/wearing it too? I don't think so. Were Jewish prophets like that? Hard to imagine.
Idolatry doesn't apply to Muhammad's action. That's double speak.
Yes, it is treacherous in the sense that this despotic rulers in ME countries had bought those weopons like guns, tanks, hamvee, bombs, helicopter-gunships from the infidel countries to kill those good muslims in the thousands n is counting. Go n see the hourly news report on Aljazeera news reports every day. That is my favourite TV channel.
You're welcome, Sanada_10.
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You know what they say, dogs bark but the Sun is not hindered. A religion that existed for many centuries before Shri Siddhartha aka Gautama Buddha was even born and continues to live by adapting itself to modern times is hardly impacted by dogs (including myself) barking.
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What amazes me is after all this hodge-podge when these folks (if at all ever) do their Hajj – they wear 2 pieces of white clothing. They wear this exactly like the Buddhist, Jain & Hindu monks do; they respect a dirty black stone, they throw pebbles against "Shaitan" – and then come back to call others idolators. Why kiss a black stone & respect the zam-zam water – if your religion is oh-so-not idolating? It is "alleged" that the black stone at masjid al-haram represents the "yoni" – though, I have no *authentic* sources to back this up (hence the word "alleged"). Here's an informative article from a *biased* site written by "Leonard James" who is *not a hindu*, http://www.islam-watch.org/Lennard/Islam-Sacred-S…
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So, while they talk about the linga representing the shape of a phallus and indulge in insanity & vulgarity; they go back to their Hajj and what exactly do they do? Express their respects for a yoni-shaped stone – respect some zam-zam water – throw pebbles on a supposed "shaitan" – run around 7 times from point A to point B. These people epitomize hypocrisy – IMHO.
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Another finisher for Jakob, a person with a very bad faith about me: alias munafik
What’s the matter, Jakob? You keep giving unclear answer to my 3 questions about interpretation. You can solve this problem if you have the answer. Don’t tell me you don’t have it? What’s your point all this long, eh? Your opinion will crumble.
Look at your fellow brother here who has no fixed name. Try to see what kind of person he is. Is he hateful or not? Is he consistent? When he talks about hatred does he have hatred? What’s the meaning of this attitude? Care to answer?
I want an honest answer about his attitude here. Here we go:
Did I ever insult him in the first place? What did I really do? Did I insult anyone or anything? Or did I state the fact about Islam? What do you think of his irrelevant insult? Was it because Islam? If it is yes then there are problems:
Fact 1: I stated only fact about Islam and never used any unnecessary attack
Fact 2: The problem I stated was sourced and didn’t come from nowhere. Phobia comes from nowhere because you can’t trace it but Islam can be traced.
Fact 3: From this we can deduce that “stating the truth about Islam” means “insulting it”
Fact 4: And “insulting Islam” means “insulting muslim”, therefore …
Fact 5: Islam is inseparable with muslim so that means …
Fact 6: Anything that muslims do more or less is connected with Islam
Fact 7: Judging from his post we can also know that “vengeance” is one of Islamic doctrine
Fact 8: He decided to pay back any “insult” to Islam by insulting critics.
Fact 9: A critique means insult in muslim’s mind and an “insult” to an ideology means an “insult” to individual so he decided to personally attack individual.
Fact 10: Not only that, he started to bash other religions with cheap way, merely copy paste and google search. Is this hatred or not?
Fact 11: Since he reacted with such a way, can’t this justify the hatred to Islam?
Tell me is this behavior right or not? Are his insults comparable to the one the critics have? Does it erase the fault in Islam?
Are you biased or not? You keep agreeing with each other without realizing that each one of you have different opinions. Can I call this attitude as neutral? You support anyone who is on the same side as you and ignore anything that contradicts your own stand. Hm? What kind of attitude is this, Jakob? You bragged about neutrality and bias but you cannot understand it yourself. Bias means inclined to certain side from the start, a preconceived opinion, exactly like yours. You will refuse any proof presented to you and stick to your first opinion. You will accept nothing but your own. I see you haven’t read my post about that. When you read anything that against your opinion you brand it as bias. Is it not bias itself?
Your accusation of Sina being a group is bias and irrelevant. Out of nowhere and without evidence you just followed your comrade here. What does a group have anything to do with the falsehood and evil in Islam? Do you know that your comrade had been proven wrong about me just a while ago? Hm? And yet you ignored this unreliable fellow and stick with your own opinion just because he is muslim. Is this objective? Is this neutral?
Muhammad had started this bashing to the polytheist. Was this hatred or not? If someone had started the hatred, was it appropriate to react with the same attitude? Could you explain the hatred of Allah towards them? No circular logic, please.
Since you brag about “unreasonable hatred” then can you explain where did it come from? What was the cause? What was the source of this so called phobia? Hm?
Don’t cherry pick me, Jakob. Answer me point by point. I’m bored seeing muslim do that.
Let me put a finisher to you truther:
Done with the brain training, eh kiddo? I see you are very simple minded and act according to your instinct only.
Oh, kid, what has happened to the “Indian” accusation, eh? Are you Pakistani? No offence but could you at least be honest here and admit that you are wrong about my identity? You kept insisting that I was an Indian, using any insult you could think of to make me as an “Indian” and a Hindu, even using one sentence of my English, worse part, you didn’t prove me wrong with that, not even the language. Tell me:
1. Do you have the gut to admit that you are wrong? Or you just dare to insult? It’s grown up test, kid.
2. If this simple matter is easily missed by you because of your hatred then what about the bigger one? From this alone I can see you as the unreliable hateful kid.
3. Could you read properly because I have to repeat my own words just to make you understand?
4. When writing your hatred to me the first time what did you see? Was it the content or your wounded feeling? Were you aware when I talked about “queries” and “questions” I meant my other posts here? Couldn’t you navigate this site to see that?
5. All you can bring is insult and empty bashing, so can I call it crap? Can I call your post that talking about crap as crap? That’s the meaning of crap, isn’t it? Word has meaning, not just saying it.
6. Can I call your stupid insistence of me being an Indian and Hindu as crap?
7. Can you respond to me point by point, not just insulting me for the sake of replying?
8. Can the tone of yours be called hateful comment? Can my tone become one? If yes then why? Can my post become mere insult?
9. Does this rubbish talk about me for not having job, poor (yet have to give some fortune, another stupid contradictory insult), no life etc have anything to do with Islam being false and evil?
10. Could you at least insult correctly? You are so stupid even when you do stupid thing (insulting). No offence, it’s a fact.
Here’s the problem, kiddo. Until this day, when I asked muslims multiple questions they didn’t want to answer it. All I want is an honest and relevant answer, no insult. You dig?
Take an example of you. I brought points after points but you just insulted and insulted again. Did your mom teach you like that? Or was it your father? Or maybe it was your prophet? Hm? Which is it, kid? I know insult can be a cure to unsolvable problem but that’s just like drug, working only temporarily. The next day, you’ll face the same problem again. Wise people will think rationally and try to solve problem correctly, on the other hand, stupid people choose to stick with the insult to satisfy their daily needs. Which one are you? The first group or the second?
When I advised you to search my comments about Islam in this article and other articles you couldn’t grasp it and asked me again as if I never told you anything, with insult too of course. Can I call you as a slow brain? Rather idiot perhaps? The difference between you and me is that I never use insult, I just state what is in front of me. I say what I see, pure fact.
You know, I call any childish muslims here as kids and I know they don’t like it but truth doesn’t care about your feeling. What they don’t understand is that the more they deny the more childish they become, the more childish they become the less respect they get, the less respect they get the less chance they defend Islam, they will busy defending their own self (just like you). They never refute it and don’t realize that their own behavior is the cause. Idiot, isn’t it? Yeah I know but that’s life. I know everyone can complain but not everyone can see the real reason behind it. Self defense mechanism will work and they will suggest that they are the right one. They will assure themselves they have done nothing wrong. Sick, isn’t it? Yeah I know but that’s human psychology, ignoring bad part of your life and stick only to good part to stay and survive.
What will you do? Insult me again, racist?
Oh, now come the racism. Very islamic indeed. I mentioned this auntie is because she's the only muslim who are still running around after I beat her for good. A very good example of muslim mind for the readers.
Hey, racist, you just shot your own foot.. You hate India and now Indonesia. Islam is full of hate
Another muslim is revealed..
Ah, So who's the hateful one? So, I'm inbreed now. Have you known that this inbreeding is Islamic?
Is there any correlation between feeling hatred with inbreed? You can be stupid but I don't expect you to be like this.
That’s it? No refutation? No proof? Save the rant, kid. You are very troubled. Words can’t hide that.
Stronger? By avoiding me? Wow. Let's see:
Are you sure you are happy? I find it strange because happiness makes you in good mood and good mood makes you react positively and patiently. I never see or hear or read any person who is happy and mad at the same time, running around insulting people. That’s bad mood, feeling insecure, and dissatisfied. You dig?
Oh, sure, beheading people, killing and massacring them, raping their wives, cutting hands, stoning, ironing their eyes, torturing them etc is humanitarian work. Terrific brain, kid. Super sekali otak loe.
He's dumb enough to miss that. :p
If sherlock is like that, better hand over the position to Watson. :p
Hah? Realizing that I'm not Indian eh? Told you I can easily prove you wrong. Can you show me the devil? Even mother theresa is going to hell so why bother?
What is freind? You english is horrible, kid. Ops.
Don't run away, read my post about that. Just click and click. 😉
It's more practical if you just continue the discussion.
You wrote, “For example your post about how the Muslims womans rights are being violated by wearing the face covering shows you have no understanding what the face covering means at all”
Do you read me at all? Do you read my comparison with Saudi? Do you know that western value doesn’t recognize that? Do you want to use double speak with Saudi? Do you know that covering face has no source in Muhammad’s teaching and do you know that is a symbol of oppression? Covering face and body means covering an awrat, a shameful body part. Women are covered full so most of the entire body is shameful. I don’t need your “understanding” just like I don’t need illogical explanation from Quran. I need logical answer.
You wrote, “Islam is not evil as I have stated this is going on the ''truth'' of Ali Sina”
Islam is evil because the proof says is evil not because some offended people protested it.
You wrote, “Only irrelevant because you say it is when someone brings up a double standard you all commit you all say irrelevant.
(I could do the same )”
Irrelevant is irrelevant. It means you are reluctant to stay in one topic and decided to divert it to another. Don’t you understand anything here? I’ve shown plenty of example of muslims giving irrelevant subject. How about you? Do you give proof? No.
You wrote, “Proof by someone who says such comments as”
Proof by your own Quran.
You wrote, “Every 1 billion Muslims is a potential terrorist.”
Logical conclusion, Jakob. You can’t predict when they are going to be radical. Terrorists in my country are like that. You can’t know who’s going to be the one, the bride, they say in media. The radical is recruiting too.
You wrote, “Makes ridiculous claims that Nazis and Islam are the same”
To some extent, yes. I did explain this.
You wrote, “Says all Shias are liars”
Sunni agrees with this and judging from the teaching you have, you are far from Muhammad.
You wrote, “Misses history”
Says the one who doesn’t prove anything from historical point of view.
You wrote, “Makes claims that Arabs cause all the wars (look at home first)”
Arabs follow Islam so ideologically can’t make peace with Israel.
You wrote, “Islam and Muslims did not contribute to history giving Islam and Muslims no credit at all ( The Canon of Medicine)”
I’ve dealt this too. Islamic science has nothing to do with Islam. Just because some individuals who resided in conquered non Arab lands found something using the Greek, Persian and Indian knowledge doesn’t mean religion plays the part. Civilizations were already high unlike in Arabian peninsula.
You wrote, “Saying women's rights are violated by wearing the face covering,”
It’s fact.
You wrote, “Causing mass hysteria and spreading paranoid delusions that Islam is somehow trying to take over the world”
Says a person who doesn’t prove anything beyond opinion. You are self denying here.
You wrote, “Has Neo Nazi followers (ironic that he calls Muslims Nazis yet has Neo Nazi followers )”
Which one? Sina doesn’t recognize “follower” like in religion. I thought you know his writing.
You wrote, “Politician followers that want to get the Quran banned and Muslims deported from countries. Not for being terrorist but for simply being Muslims”
Again, it’s not his fault if some politicians have the same goal with him. It’s different motive. Yeah, tell that to Allah too, he insulted pagan for simply being pagan. Simply for being Christian and Jews are unjust too. Great huh?
You wrote, “Why would I agree with someone who make such inaccurate, ridiculous and paranoid claims?”
Why would I agree with someone who doesn’t prove anything?
You wrote, “If I am guilty of this surely you are also as Ali Sina has proven to be very unreliable.”
The bottom line is that I’ve proven that this fellow brother of yours as wrong and I’ll explain in new comment here, while you, on the other hand, haven’t done that.
You wrote, “I agreed with his comment on Islam but as I said I have no problems with Hindu's or any religion as I have said many times No surprise you are trying to incite hatred on me for something someone else said”
You agree because you share a religion. That’s what I call bias. Nope, all I did is trying to imitate your way to dismiss someone. Can’t you see it? Don’t assume bad faith on me, Jakob, wikipedia won’t like it.
You wrote, “How very ethical of you to do Mr Sanada”
It’s ethical and logical if you just understand my sentences.
You wrote, “I can speak for myself I don't need you saying I am doing or saying something which I did not say ( Common tactic on this Forum and in Ali Sina's ''Truth'')”
Oh, sure, sure, I just tested your honesty and position here. It seems that you are not neutral at all as you have claimed. The very basic problem with muslims is that you keep misunderstanding your opponent and thinking bad about them, common tactic of self denial.
You wrote, “Where did I say that in my post ? -.- I said I did not agree with some of the moral things they do, no where did I mention I wanted to destroy them, Don't know where you are seeing that in my text”
Oh, so you don’t want to do your god’s wish? Doesn’t Allah want evil and immorality gone? Doesn’t he want polytheist to vanish? It’s in the Quran. You branded them as immoral so there should be no problem if they perish. Will you let criminal loose? My text? There is only one text, Quran. Shrik is the worst sin, you know.
You wrote, “You just did and accused me or hating and wanting to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, and other polytheist ect yet I never said that in any of my post .”
Nope, you did it. You branded them as immoral and evil. It’s muslim’s job to erase evil. It is common sense, lad.
You wrote, “No surprise you accuse the ''evil Muslim'' of doing something they did not do yet again”
No wonder you don’t know your own religion. Mine is from your god. Muslims are evil if they emulate Muhammad and you are on the right path by hating idols as starter and since worshipping idols is the worst unforgivable sin then…
Tell me, do you want to let, thieves, rapist and murderers loose? Its sin is lighter than polytheism. Your conclusion is weird.
You wrote, “Not logical it is blaming an innocent person and that ''logic'' is based on the ''prove'' that all of the things Ali Sina is saying is true.”
Nope again. My logic comes from the structure of Islamic teaching. Polytheism is the worst sin, worse than murder, massacre, slaughter etc. It’s illogical if you want to erase other crimes but not this one, better do nothing about crime at all.
You wrote, “Many Muslims have proven that Ali Sina is false and flip flops what he says”
Who? Is there any muslim here who can answer the challenge? Is there any muslim here who can answer me? I see you can’t too. Just look at your confusing answer about my 3 questions.
You wrote, “This comment make me believe you are not a former Muslim or living in a Muslim Country”
Sigh, one more bias comment. I’m right again about you. You are very biased person. I live in Indonesia, the largest muslim country and I never was a muslim (I never said I was ex muslim). Apakah anda sudah mengerti, bung? Don’t assume too much. It only makes you looks bad.
Fact 1: You just made a mistake by assuming me as an ex muslim while I never say it
Fact 2: You just made another bias statement accusing me not from Indonesia.
It’s officially proven that you are again wrong. You assumed too much bad faiths towards me, Jakob. Wuih, ngaco loe. Check the language too. I can’t believe I just said these simple words to 2 people in 1 day. Well, that’s muslim, always think bad about me.
So, you did giving your ego food. Again, is there anything significant in your post beside your childish rant? .:p
Traitor? Me? How so? Remember, Allah was supposed to be all knowing. He already knew I was going to do this. He wanted it actually. I merely did his desire.
He will say, "well done, lad".
Thanks. This kid tried to badmouth India and Hinduism while he didn't realize that this religion is depicted as positive by many western media for spiritual search, along side Buddhism.
That's it, now you brought mothers in here? Wow. Kid, answer with relevant words, will you?
What about Ali Sina's truthful interpretion ? So far nobody had challenged the truths he had expounnded in his interpretion.
Thanks.
Yes, I agree. Sanada puts a lot of effort into posting sources for facts and responding to Muslim rhetoric that I generally don't have the time and patience for unless a Muslim has a sincere question.
This shows a great deal of love and concern for Muslims, contrary to what the riff-raff says about haters.
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Well said.
What kind of question is that? I gave you 2 Suras and 2 Tabaris.
Are you a woman deficient in intelligence?
(Do you know what Sura that is? Oh, I forgot, you don't read.)
“Users like “truther, waster” possibly enjoy listening to news of bomb-blasts of Shia funerals, weddings & Sufi dargahs in Pakistan”
This is slander and a disgusting thing to say, Is that what Hinduism teaches you? Your are a vile human being.
Sanada_10,
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Your english is fantastic. I consider myself representing a majority of the users when I state that we are able to understand your comments & we're much appreciative of your time & efforts.
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On behalf of all the indians and other non-native English speakers on this forum (except the fanatic fools, of course), I'd like to thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Seems like you've had some first-hand problems with islam back in Indonesia. I've seen news articles talking about islamic fanatics beating up an ahmaddiya, destroying some art (idols), forcing women to wear burkhas – and the bali-bombings of certain hotels – all seem to suggest that the fanatics have started representing the silent majority of indonesian muslims.
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My empathy is with the people of indonesia. I wish the very best to you & all of Indonesia.
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Once again, many thanks.
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Still running away? You are a liar, prove to me Muhammad said these things, you can't because you made it up. You are accusing me of getting angry so you can run away from answering the question, now show me where did Muhammad say this?
Doesn't it remind you of various special-entities like Jim-Jones-cult, Ku-Klux-Klan, and other such assorted "organizations".
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You point out their own history using their own ancestors' writings & they'll end up indulging in violence against you. It's users like this "truther, waster" etc that time & again prove what an invaluable service to humanity Dr. Sina & various websites (like this one, FFI, Freedom-bulwark) are providing.
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I shudder to think what will happen if al-Saudi al-Wahab Salafi purists take-over the locality where users like "truther, waster" live – if these users did not follow the exact sub-sect of the ruling elite, they'll face death or punishment. Look at the Ahmadiyyas in Pakistan – the constitution classifies them as Kaffir, even though they consider themselves Muslims. Users like "truther, waster" possibly enjoy listening to news of bomb-blasts of Shia funerals, weddings & Sufi dargahs in Pakistan – which is almost a daily or weekly practice. Every Friday after the Jumma namaz in the evening some bomb somewhere in Pakistan kills an impure person who thinks of himself as a muslim.
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Indeed the 100's of sects of the sewage-virus of islam will fight each other and take whichever geography they rule back to the 7th century – so they can follow the hadith which orders them to use odd number of stones to clear their rear-side after defecation. After all, slaves are supposed to be slaves – and follow these rules set by their master.
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It's pretty normal for slaves to be jealous when looking at free-thinkers and independent-folks, isn't it?
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This is your history and your books. Why do you run away from it?
How can the view be distorted when it is your history?
You are not a reader, and you don't know anything. All you do is get angry and insult people who say things you don't like.
Your upbringing & your manners are quite clearly visible for all & sundry. If this is how you represent Islam – by attacking people and other representatives of other religions, it pretty much justifies every action of every individual from Ali Sina to John K to agrecean to sanada to everyone on this website for their thoughts & words against Islam. Indeed, Islam is a sewage which apparently is overflowing on the internet with roaches & vermins as exemplary-exhibits.
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You're replying to a comment posted 4 days ago – I think you ought to go out get some fresh air & if possible get a life – hoping (based on your english language skills) that you're not a madarassa-"educated" from Pakistan.
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Who have you seen doing any of these things?
Great work Sherlock.
Who is the true god?
How do you know it?
If you refute this site, you refute the Quran, Hadiths, and Sira.
That's all this site is based on other than some side issues for general interest.
John you have tried to convince people this is a historical fact when it is actually your own distorted view. You are a liar, simple as that, run away John like you always do.
Reincarnation? Now that's un-Islamic. It's called resurrection, not reincarnation.
Don't be lazy. Do your own research. Read your own books.
Are you Muslims all so incompetent that you have to depend on kaffirs to do your work for you?
"Okay son whatever you say, you are complete moron"
I seriously doubt that you will achieve Sanada's level of knowledge of facts about Islam anytime in this life.
"Look son get some English lessons"
Unfortunately your English is rather poor.
You don't seem to know the difference between the usage of "your" and "you're".
"English is not my native language and I don’t use it in everyday conversation"
Your English is so excellent and fluent that I would have never thought it was not your first language.
Don't be arrogant and lazy. This is your religion, your history, and your books. If you are proud to be Muslim, you should be proud of your history. And you should read your books to know what Islam really teaches for yourself instead of depending on others for your knowledge.
Your are just ashamed of Islam's teachings because you are in a Western country. If you lived in the Middle East or other heavily Muslim country like Pakistan or Afghanistan, you would see that Islam's brutal teachings are accepted.
Look at Quran 53:10-20, and 22:52-53, and Tabari 1191, 1192
The Truth actually.
How can a filthy Hindu even begin to judge any other faith, Hinduism is the handy work of the Devil, look at your Gods they look like Devils. Your beliefs are based on your own desires. Your Scriptures clearly stae a monotheistic doctrine but you filthy devils chose your own desires, filthy Hindus
Okay son whatever you say, you are complete moron, I feel sorry for your mother.
That is so childish.
No don't run away, show me were in the Qu'ran.
Einstein was then asked to what extent he was influenced by Christianity, to which Einstein replied as follows, "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."
Einstein was then asked if he accepted the "historical existence of Jesus," to which he replied, "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."
– from Time magazine interview
Don't worry. There is no Allah.
But you should worry about seeing God on judgement day when you have to explain why you defended a violent sociopathic religion.
How many more people have to die because of your beautiful religions?
''You can agree with person who is not consistent in his words aka unreliable aka hypocrite. Some judgment you have here eh? Can’t I do the same? Can I use unreliable source to prove ''
If I am guilty of this surely you are also as Ali Sina has proven to be very unreliable.
I agreed with his comment on Islam but as I said I have no problems with Hindu's or any religion as I have said many times No surprise you are trying to incite hatred on me for something someone else said
How very ethical of you to do Mr Sanada
I can speak for myself I don't need you saying I am doing or saying something which I did not say ( Common tactic on this Forum and in Ali Sina's ''Truth'')
''So you want to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, and other polytheist? ''
Where did I say that in my post ? -.- I said I did not agree with some of the moral things they do, no where did I mention I wanted to destroy them, Don't know where you are seeing that in my text
''I don’t make you look bad, you did it yourself. I never put my words into you. Try to understand mine before responding. ''
You just did and accused me or hating and wanting to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, and other polytheist ect yet I never said that in any of my post .
No surprise you accuse the ''evil Muslim'' of doing something they did not do yet again
''Logical conclusion, Jakob. As long as it’s about Muhammad’s reaching, it is makes sense. ''
Not logical it is blaming an innocent person and that ''logic'' is based on the ''prove'' that all of the things Ali Sina is saying is true.
Many Muslims have proven that Ali Sina is false and flip flops what he says
''You will never know when muslim will turn to radical. ''
This comment make me believe you are not a former Muslim or living in a Muslim Country
For example your post about how the Muslims womans rights are being violated by wearing the face covering shows you have no understanding what the face covering means at all
''If Islam is evil then muslim has the potential to become evil too. It’s logical. ''
Islam is not evil as I have stated this is going on the ''truth'' of Ali Sina
''Keep the irrelevant words come in and I can brand you with the auntie here. Like I said, you have to deal with Islam first. Islam is followed by muslims''.
Only irrelevant because you say it is when someone brings up a double standard you all commit you all say irrelevant.
(I could do the same )
''Why do you have nothing but opinion? The proof is right here. ''
Proof by someone who says such comments as:
Every 1 billion Muslims is a potential terrorist.
Makes ridiculous claims that Nazis and Islam are the same
Says all Shias are liars
Misses history
Makes claims that Arabs cause all the wars (look at home first)
Islam and Muslims did not contribute to history giving Islam and Muslims no credit at all ( The Canon of Medicine)
Saying women's rights are violated by wearing the face covering,
Causing mass hysteria and spreading paranoid delusions that Islam is somehow trying to take over the world
Has Neo Nazi followers (ironic that he calls Muslims Nazis yet has Neo Nazi followers )
Politician followers that want to get the Quran banned and Muslims deported from countries. Not for being terrorist but for simply being Muslims
Why would I agree with someone who make such inaccurate, ridiculous and paranoid claims?
Regards Jakob
Bwhahahahahahhahahhahah!!!!!! Ohhhhh everin you made my day!!!!!
The Devils on your side my Indonesian Inbred freind.
Everin please don't lie, it makes you look treacherous.
Im very happy, I have an amazing life because God has blessed me with the truth. I know 100% that you and your filthy allies are liars. Inter dimensional beings (or Devils) exist, they have tricked man into following there path, like a posessed person said "The greatest work of my father Iblis is the illuminati". I love Muhammad the Messenger of God because he was the greatest humanitarian that ever lived. I follow Islam based on knowledge and years of study. Nothing can weaken my faith, it is even stronger after visiting this site. Thnaks Sanada!!! 🙂
"Muhammad worshiped sex"
"But I'm glad you are here. Many non-Muslims are not aware of what filthy-minded people Muslims can be"
Thats rich coming from you, think people are blind? You certainly are.
You keep mentioning your auntie? is she single? actually forget it who wants to marry an Indonesian inbreed.
"Are you giving your ego a food here?"
Im crying and it's because you make me laugh so much!!!!!!
Your not worth it traitor. You will die and will have to answer to Allah.
Hinduism is the handy work of Devils, Look at your Gods, they look like Devils. Hindus are known to drink urine and eat fieces. Some examples of Hindu Doctrine: Caste System, Satti, Washing a huge Penis Idol with milk, eating with rats at the Rat Temple, Karmasutra, Yes a very Godly Relegion!!!!!
Ah, in the mean time I suggest you work on your brain training. Giving irrelevant response like this shows your level. 😉
You wrote, “No I agree with him that people on here are inciting hatred for Islam and Ali Sina is a group of people. Read what I said”
Nope, it’s you who need to read mine. I repeat again. You can agree with person who is not consistent in his words aka unreliable aka hypocrite. Some judgment you have here eh? Can’t I do the same? Can I use unreliable source to prove something?
Prove first that Sina is a group of people and what is the connection with Islam?
You wrote, “I already said I have no problem with other religions just some of the acts they commit such as loose morals worshipping idols and Money rather then God itself ect”
And I’ve already said too that this is not about you and worshipping idol is not evil as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone. You have problem with religions that actually worship idols so you justify atrocity to them, eh? So you want to destroy Hindu, Buddhist, and other polytheist?
You wrote, “Do not put words in my mouth and say I ''did'' something which I did not do to try and make me look bad”
I don’t make you look bad, you did it yourself. I never put my words into you. Try to understand mine before responding.
You wrote, “Like the comments that others are saying on here that every Muslim is a potential terrorist (inciting mass panic) and gives those the right to blame and hate Muslims.”
Logical conclusion, Jakob. As long as it’s about Muhammad’s reaching, it is makes sense. You will never know when muslim will turn to radical.
You wrote, “Saying countries should be invaded stating lies about those countries.”
Oh, since when I talk about present day war? Are you aware that Muhammad did the same?
You wrote, “Also no one has a problem with The Mormon or Atheist wishing violent's on me (I made no threats what so ever and was respectful to all religions and beliefs) Wait that's justified because I am a ''Evil terrorist Muslim'' right?”
Keep the irrelevant words come in and I can brand you with the auntie here. Like I said, you have to deal with Islam first. Islam is followed by muslims.
You wrote, “Fringe belief that Muslims are all the evil in the world nothing more”
If Islam is evil then muslim has the potential to become evil too. It’s logical.
You wrote, “Hatred and Phobias comes from fear.”
Of course, fear of not to be worshipped, known and respected.
You wrote, “Why are you all trying so hard to blame Islam for every evil ?”
Why do you have nothing but opinion? The proof is right here.
You wrote, “If it was so ''true'' about Islam you all would not have to lie, miss quote, miss history, fear monger, refuse that there are many interpenetration of the Quran (orthodox view that the Qur'an cannot be translated, merely interpreted) and try so hard will you now ?”
So far, you can only play general assumption. Try to show my the real one and prove this site wrong. Do the challenge about Muhammad and answer my 3 questions about it. Do you know that your words contradict Allah’s claim?
You wrote, “I have said anyone can claim they have any qualification or read any book on the internet (You know lie)”
Yeah, including the one that deny everything without proof.
Oh, the hate, I can feel it. Now, who's spreading hate here? 😉
Sanada burn in Hell 🙂
''Oh, You agree with his post on inciting hatred while he himself is inciting hatred towards Hindu and Christianity with no reason. Sounds right? ''
No I agree with him that people on here are inciting hatred for Islam and Ali Sina is a group of people. Read what I said
I already said I have no problem with other religions just some of the acts they commit such as loose morals worshipping idols and Money rather then God itself ect
Do not put words in my mouth and say I ''did'' something which I did not do to try and make me look bad
Like the comments that others are saying on here that every Muslim is a potential terrorist (inciting mass panic) and gives those the right to blame and hate Muslims.
Saying countries should be invaded stating lies about those countries.
Also no one has a problem with The Mormon or Atheist wishing violent's on me (I made no threats what so ever and was respectful to all religions and beliefs) Wait that's justified because I am a ''Evil terrorist Muslim'' right?
Fringe belief that Muslims are all the evil in the world nothing more.
Hatred and Phobias comes from fear.
Why are you all trying so hard to blame Islam for every evil ?
If it was so ''true'' about Islam you all would not have to lie, miss quote, miss history, fear monger, refuse that there are many interpenetration of the Quran (orthodox view that the Qur'an cannot be translated, merely interpreted) and try so hard will you now ?
I have said anyone can claim they have any qualification or read any book on the internet (You know lie)
Regards Jakob
Look son get some English lessons, I'll pay as your too lazy to work and too ugly to get a wife.
Oh, now I have no life and you cannot answer me. What do you have? 😉
Don't worry, I got life too you know and I'm not the one who is losing mind here, going rampage and insulting everyone. 😉
Do you have high stress or something? Anxiety maybe?
Those arguments that you think is refuted have been refuted by me. Individual or group doesn't make any difference, Islam is still false. Now, now, calm down and don't imitate your prophet. You keep using name calling, what's wrong?
You haven't read mine and you call it nothing new? Have you read that my questions are in fact new? Go on, read it. It's no use to wander in here and insult me. 😉
Oh, Am I right, kiddo? I know I got you. Your words and your action is different. :p
Hm, interesting specimen. Not dealing with the content and chose to satisfy its ego. B)
The Wise Owl has spoken!!!! Bwahhahahahahha!!!!
Get a wife or something.
Strange, these verses were all historical and had nothing to do with the ethic and code followed by Jews or Christian in present day. Hey, I thought Allah was the god of the bible too.
If this atrocity did happen would it erase Islam? I did ask your brother here to bring me the urgency of the matter but no response so far.
It's your Dad's Gonads BWAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!
It would so distress Israel, that in their distress and siege they would be driven to eat the fruit of their body, and the flesh of their own children (with regard to the fulfilment of this, see the remarks on Leviticus 26:29). – This horrible distress is depicted still more fully in Deuteronomy 28:54-57, where the words, "in the siege and in the straitness," etc. (Deuteronomy 28:53), are repeated as a refrain, with their appalling sound, in Deuteronomy 28:55 and Deuteronomy 28:57.
Sure, Try to read the context: Since you love to copy paste then I'll do the same. My simple question is this: Does this verse talk about law or something else?
And thou shall eat the fruit of thine body,…. Than which nothing can be more shocking and unnatural, which is explained as follows:
the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee; which is an aggravation of the cruel and inhuman fact:
in the siege, and in the straitness wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee; this shows the cause of it, a famine by reason of the closeness of the siege, so that no provisions could be brought in for their relief; and all within being eaten up, and everything that was eatable, even the most nauseous and disagreeable, they would be led on to this strange, unheard of, and barbarous action, eating their own children. This was fulfilled in the siege of Samaria, 2 Kings 6:25; and in the siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, Lamentations 2:10 and again in the Apocrypha:"Moreover he hath delivered them to be in subjection to all the kingdoms that are round about us, to be as a reproach and desolation among all the people round about, where the Lord hath scattered them.'' (Baruch 2:4)and in the siege of the same city by the Romans; of which an instance will be hereafter given.
Sanada you have no life, that is clearly obvious, I suggest you get one before you die.
Arberry is just one of many translations I used and it doesn't change Islam to be good. I also used my country's Quran and Arabic transliteration. You can check yourself. It's in my posts.
Oh, You agree with his post on inciting hatred while he himself is inciting hatred towards Hindu and Christianity with no reason. Sounds right?
Your view is just opinion.
Oh, no, kid, the truth is right here and you refused to read it. 😉
Not me, that's for sure. 😉
Read the site and my posts. Quran had made violence among muslims too. Don't you know it? Just click and click… 😉
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you."
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males …. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
Explain these verses to me please Sanadaa 🙂
Oh, now I am the son. Okay, then you are a baby since you cannot answer this site and me. Don't worry, when I want to fix it I'll call you, ok. <3
Hm, is there anything significant in your post? Are you giving your ego a food here?
You are spending it while denying it, kiddo. :p
Calling it crap won't make it as crap. xD
You wrote, “Not begging stating to others who read this forum to study Islam themselves rather then relying on only one source of ''truth''”
Oh, what’s the name of a person who keeps insisting other to accept his view without even giving a proof, hm? I did look at other source too, including in my language.
You wrote, “Meaning study in depth all of the history of that era and all the Sects of Islam and different Interpenetration of the Quran not that hard to understand”
Oh, don’t worry I’ve covered it up with 3 questions I’ve given to you. Are you phobia with questions? I see you brought nothing too.
You wrote, “Sharia Law is different in each Islamic state there is not a defining book of Sharia law.This is a common misunderstanding”
Sigh, I’ve heard that too, you know. Sharia Law is adapting environment, I know it but the core doesn’t change. I told you to bring the right one, didn’t I?
You wrote, “For example women in Turkey do not have to wear a face covering but in Saudi Arabia they do. Learn please”
You can’t compare Turkey, a secular state with Saudi, a religious monarch. Just go and look at Muhammad’s saying about this. It’s simple.
You wrote, “Humans will find any excuse to commit evil acts if it wasn't Islam it would be something else. Assigning god to ones own goals”
At least without Islam my country will have no problem in this sector. It’s national problem now. Nothing can make them hate Jews and minorities like this except Islam. I told you that the culture is helping them to reduce it.
You wrote, “Do not take there hatred for you on another”
I simply tell the fact and I hate the hatred.
You wrote, “For being a Muslim or mixing with a Muslim and for not committing corrupt acts. Do not call me a terrorist (Ye-ha redneck mentality ) as I am very passive if you even bothered to read who I follow.”
See? At least there is a cause here. It’s Islamic terrorism again. It’s all about Islam. If you follow Muhammad’s order you will be one, I’m sure of it.
You wrote, “I assume by that comment you are an atheist ,you find It wrong to compare them with Muslims fair enough but I find it wrong to compare Muslims to a cult.”
Hm? Cult is a small organized belief and every religion started as a cult. But cultic mentality is always there.
You wrote, “I find Atheist not free and do not like some of the acts they commit but that is my opinion and I have no problem with you being an atheist.”
Hm? That’s not what I mean, Atheist is non theist. It’s any other human outside religions. So, it’s free. It can be good or bad. It has no group.
You wrote, “You do not see me miss quoting and inciting hatred for all atheist”
You can’t do that because you have no support and reference anyway. You can try like your brother here and look what he has done to Hinduism. Is this act right? You haven’t answered it.
You wrote, “Depends on Country. Well some are trying to get Muslims deported from Europe for being Muslims, trying to get the Quran banned or burned, force removal of face covering of woman, yelling at woman and calling them terrorist for wearing a face covering and kicking them off buses for wearing a face covering.
Also a book in the USA about 9/11 saying all Muslims are evil terrorist”
Let’s see, it depends on the country. The list is, deportation (due to insecurity and terrorism), burning an object, force removal that violate host value just like Saudi who imprisons tattooed people, yelling and calling because of Islamic terrorism. That’s it? No destroying culture, religious building, bombing, killing, beheading etc? Again, it’s all about Islam. Islam doesn’t depend on the country, you know.
You wrote, “Just to name a few I could name alot more”
So? It’s still incomparable not to mention that Islam permits it.
You wrote, “Yes (Would rather not list which country)”
Ah, no reason? Are you sure? In Islamic country, Quran is the reason.
You wrote, “If I am bias because you say I am a Muslim then so be it, but I can say you are bias because you have been harmed by some and that would cloud anyone's judgement.”
Here’s the situation. I explained to you what is bias but you didn’t want to read it and decided to repeat it again. Do you read my post? Do you understand it?
You wrote, “Will not agree with this already said why.”
The “why” is just opinion without evidence
You wrote, “Do you honestly believe this ? I cannot agree”
Again I ask you, you use belief to know something? You just say “I can’t agree that and this”. Why can’t I do the same?
The truth is right there but your too blind to see it.
Just read the Quran all of the sects Hadiths (Arabic Quran or The Koran Interpreted by Arthur John Arberry ) to educate yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Koran_Interprete…
I agree with his post about those inciting hatred for Islam now I am suddenly a lined with him, that does not make any scene what so ever
Already stated my view of different religions read my other post rather then making up things I said
Regards Jakob
So the true message had not reached the despotic rulers in the ME countries n they had started to kill thousands of good muslims who had received the true message. The Shia n the Sunni had also received the message n they are bombing each other as to assert whose message is the true one. Don’t delude yourself n others. Others esp. the non-muslims are not that stupid, man.
Ah, yes, yes, calling it bollocks will refute everything you dislike. Yes, I see your level now, kiddo. <3
Where does it say? Look you will show the verse and I will show how you lie to twist the verses okay? By the way Im not a member so I have to sift through comments to find yours and reply.
Kiddo, my English is irrelevant in this discussion. If my English was so bad then other users wouldn’t even discuss with me. You just picked one sentence and thought that all of it is bad. Tell me, is this correct?
English is not my native language and I don’t use it in everyday conversation but that doesn’t change the fact that no muslims here can answer me.
What? You seriously have a reading problem, kid. I told you to click my profile and try to answer my huge list about Islam. You are not only childish but rather stupid actually.
Want to know my background? It’s simple, just follow my comment. I thought you are brighter than this, oh dear.
<3
Sanada you are depriving yourself of the truth, I feel sorry for you.
''I did my verification and presented here, where is yours? You seriously don’t think this useless begging will refute anything, do you? I don’t blame the people, I blame the teaching. If it’s not for my country’s original culture it will be like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan by now. The extremists want to change the ideology to sharia law. ''
Not begging stating to others who read this forum to study Islam themselves rather then relying on only one source of ''truth''
Meaning study in depth all of the history of that era and all the Sects of Islam and different Interpenetration of the Quran not that hard to understand
Sharia Law is different in each Islamic state there is not a defining book of Sharia law.This is a common misunderstanding
For example women in Turkey do not have to wear a face covering but in Saudi Arabia they do. Learn please
''If Islam is not around the people in my country will not be like that. My country has a rich culture and kindness and Islam wants to eliminate it because it’s unislamic. The remnant of national culture and identity is the only obstacle for Islam to take over. If there is no Islam, people in my country will have no reason to hate people of the book, let alone ahmadiyah. They will think that they are the same. Imagine a large group of people who never met Jews in their entire life can spare their majority feeling to this one. Hate, of course ''
Humans will find any excuse to commit evil acts if it wasn't Islam it would be something else. Assigning god to ones own goals
Do not take there hatred for you on another
''Oh, oppressed on what cause? Terrorism? Of course not all of them are like that because the teaching is not like that. ''
For being a Muslim or mixing with a Muslim and for not committing corrupt acts. Do not call me a terrorist (Ye-ha redneck mentality ) as I am very passive if you even bothered to read who I follow.
''Atheism doesn’t have teaching, Jakob. They are free man so comparing them with muslims is wrong. ''
I assume by that comment you are an atheist ,you find It wrong to compare them with Muslims fair enough but I find it wrong to compare Muslims to a cult.
I find Atheist not free and do not like some of the acts they commit but that is my opinion and I have no problem with you being an atheist.
You do not see me miss quoting and inciting hatred for all atheist
''Do they destroy your culture heritage, religious building, killing and threatening minority or hating you with no reason? Do they have scriptural sanction? Some Christian commit evil but Jesus didn’t so why called it Christian evil? You avoided me about Christian terrorism and you repeated here as if I never talked about it. Why? ''
Depends on Country. Well some are trying to get Muslims deported from Europe for being Muslims, trying to get the Quran banned or burned, force removal of face covering of woman, yelling at woman and calling them terrorist for wearing a face covering and kicking them off buses for wearing a face covering.
Also a book in the USA about 9/11 saying all Muslims are evil terrorist
Just to name a few I could name alot more
''killing and threatening minority or hating you with no reason''
Yes (Would rather not list which country)
If I am bias because you say I am a Muslim then so be it, but I can say you are bias because you have been harmed by some and that would cloud anyone's judgement.
''Of course you’ll get hatred because you are following hatred yourself aka Islam''
Will not agree with this already said why.
''Ordinary mass is inspired from the Islamic preaching. This site is different, it’s only words.''
Do you honestly believe this ? I cannot agree
Regards Jakob
You think Im going to spend my time reading this crap? Get a life you moron.
All these claims have been 100% refuted as bollocks. If you too stupid to read the refutations tahts your problem, Im not a preacher but when someone's lying or decieving the world I will speak.
Look Son, you are a mindless child who has no life or work. Fix your own house then you might have a leg to stand on.
Are you a parrott or what? You English is so bad you are resorting to using my sentences!!!! Refute what? You keep saying that but what shoudl I refute? I am also interested to know what your back ground is, you sya your not Hindu then what are you?
Quran said it. :p
Your post makes me laugh, kid. I'm Indonesian not Indian, silly. Ngerti apa gak sih nih orang, bego banget deh. Check the word, kiddo.
Fact: Indian is an ex British colony so the English is generally better than Indonesian the ex Dutch colony. Wake up, will you kid? I've proven that Islam is false but you didn't dare to answer me.
Like I said, I'm trying to measure your standard here. If I'm an idiot then what are you? You can't even refute me.
Do you know personal attack kid? It's logical fallacy and shows your manners.
Oh, Nope, kid. I just state the obvious. You are very emotional, you bashed anything you dislike with no reason and proof. Take an example of Bible. Do you read mine?
I too will be more happy to debate a human being who really grows up and doesn't insult anyone but alas you are not one of them. May I ask where is the part of my post that doesn't have manner? I can show yours that doesn't have one.
Denying my belief? Have you checked my post here to know that? Have you read it? Or you just dare to comment in this section? You are seriously sick, kid, insisting me for a Hindu without even read my post.
Still avoiding me about Islam, kid. Have some gut will ya?
Corruption is religion's domain in this case. 😉
If you just use your feeling you will present nothing but opinion. Study Islam first before you give this. Have you considered where the hatred comes from? Surely, it's from somewhere.
You have no right to claim anything without proof too. Now,since you are in line with this Hindu basher, tell me, is his post alright or not? About Hindu. Let's test your honesty.
Ah, still cherry picking me, eh Jakob?
You wrote, “If this is true (Do not believe it is ) you cannot judge all of Islam because of a few own deeds done in Gods name.”
I did my verification and presented here, where is yours? You seriously don’t think this useless begging will refute anything, do you? I don’t blame the people, I blame the teaching. If it’s not for my country’s original culture it will be like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan by now. The extremists want to change the ideology to sharia law.
You wrote, “As I have said I have been oppressed by Christians (also atheist) but I do not regard all Christians and atheist as evil even though most I have came into contact with have been nothing but monstrous towards me and Muslims.
It would be wrong to say all Christians and atheist where evil (some commit evil acts but not all)”
Oh, oppressed on what cause? Terrorism? Of course not all of them are like that because the teaching is not like that. Atheism doesn’t have teaching, Jakob. They are free man so comparing them with muslims is wrong.
Do they destroy your culture heritage, religious building, killing and threatening minority or hating you with no reason? Do they have scriptural sanction? Some Christian commit evil but Jesus didn’t so why called it Christian evil? You avoided me about Christian terrorism and you repeated here as if I never talked about it. Why?
You wrote, “Again do not blame Islam (a religion) for a men's deeds to gain power
I never stated there was not bad Muslims but taking out the hatred which you suffered by bad Muslims on those that are innocent is just as bad as those bad Muslims.”
If Islam is not around the people in my country will not be like that. My country has a rich culture and kindness and Islam wants to eliminate it because it’s unislamic. The remnant of national culture and identity is the only obstacle for Islam to take over. If there is no Islam, people in my country will have no reason to hate people of the book, let alone ahmadiyah. They will think that they are the same. Imagine a large group of people who never met Jews in their entire life can spare their majority feeling to this one. Hate, of course
You wrote, “Yes that also apply's to anyone of any culture or religion (even this site)”
Ordinary mass is inspired from the Islamic preaching. This site is different, it’s only words. The only mass that can kill is in real world, just like in my country.
You wrote, “Hatred comes in many forms not just Islam”
Hating the hatred is normal reaction to survive. Of course you’ll get hatred because you are following hatred yourself aka Islam.
''If you read articles from haters of course you will get the wrong impression.''
Yes this is what I was saying. Do not take haters word as fact study Islam yourself then make up your mind if it is right for you.
If it is not, that gives you no right to claim it is false and judge it with miss quoting ect
Regards Jakob
Save and corrupt is very different
Regards Jakob
Who said the true message reached Pakistan or Afghanistan? or Iraq? The true message is within individuals and not countries. These Countries were corrupted by teh West thats why they've been destroyed. The Illuminati run the world – Thats a fact.
So trying to convince the audience about my mental and emotional state are you, what stupid psychological tactic is this? I am more than happy to debate with an intelligent human being who has manners, unfortunatley you are lacking in both, Also why are you denying your beliefs? ashamed are you? I would be, Hinduism is teh handy work of the Devil.
Ad hominem never dies eh muslim? Just like your prophet. xD
So, it still has nothing to do with Islam and poses no danger to the world like Islam. Caste system? I suggest you talk to a Hindu here or go to another forum. You can know when the caste system was born and is erased nowadays. Why bother with this insignificant thing? Looks like devil doesn't mean they are devil. It depends on the deeds. On the contrary, Allah looks like a devil even though he's just one.
Why don't you explain about the flies, camel urine and cousin marriage?
Back to my post will ya?
''You said ''call it verification. I don’t just read and verify, I also listen to what muslims say. I live in muslim majority nation and I know that muslim is forbidden to befriend kafir. I hear it directly even though few of them don’t want to believe it and choose their own judgment, at least their imam does. Hate speech from the mosque is not rare here. ''
If this is true (Do not believe it is ) you cannot judge all of Islam because of a few own deeds done in Gods name.
As I have said I have been oppressed by Christians (also atheist) but I do not regard all Christians and atheist as evil even though most I have came into contact with have been nothing but monstrous towards me and Muslims.
It would be wrong to say all Christians and atheist where evil (some commit evil acts but not all)
''At first, I knew nothing of Islam but I live in majority muslim nation. I saw atrocity made by muslims, not all done by the radical. Even ordinary mass can be dangerous. I know that there is a hypocrite in the Quran and muslim who doesn’t follow the Quran will be branded as one and attacked too. Before I came to Sina’s site I had already disliked Islam. My reading about Islam confirmed more.''
Again do not blame Islam (a religion) for a men's deeds to gain power
I never stated there was not bad Muslims but taking out the hatred which you suffered by bad Muslims on those that are innocent is just as bad as those bad Muslims.
''Even ordinary mass can be dangerous''
Yes that also apply's to anyone of any culture or religion (even this site)
''Fear is the only one prevents them to do that. Hate deserves no respect, let alone falsehood. ''
Hatred comes in many forms not just Islam
Regards Jakob
Your english makes me laugh, typical Indian ding ding. "I'm trying to honestly doing a measurement" Hahahahahah!!!!! Sanada you are a joke, Hinduism is a filthy devil worshipping cult, your not worth my time, get back to the sweat shops, Uncle Sam needs you buhahahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
Irrelevant answer, kid. 😉
Errors in the Quran, kiddo. 😉
About understanding, I already talked about it too, be it from Quranic verses or logical sense. Read my post first.
If you rely solely on your feeling you'll get nothing. I search the error myself as you can see for yourself. Impression? The only impression you got is falsehood, you know.
Why is Admin asking each otherr questions? You guys are stupid
Oh thank you so much for correcting me spineless moron. That does not lessen the joy in any manner.
Be happy, there are more than one who is working for your betterment and to save you.
No Hinduism is stupid.
Errors in the Qu'ran or errors in your understanding of teh Qu'ran? There is a big diffrence. If you read articles from haters of course you will get the wrong impression.
Why do you keep missing my point?
You wrote, “I have already posted what my views were on the matter of Islam and this site”
For your information, opinion doesn’t equal to sourced refutation. What if someone does the opposite and uses the same excuse as you? Muhammad wouldn’t like that too and would say, “To hell with your view, it’s my view that counts because Allah is behind me”.
You wrote, “If you read my other posts on this site also”
I’m doing it now and I’m responding to you, remember? It was you who chose to abandon my question about Christian Terrorism or problems in Islam. I read but you didn’t read. If you read you would talk about it.
You wrote, “One God all religions have there own different interpenetration of that one God”
For starter, one god is not in all religions. Yes, there are different interpretations but all of it have common problem. I suggest you read my post about that. The very differing interpretation itself is a problem.
You wrote, “(Will not be trolled)”
Troll exists in all places including religions.
You wrote, “Please sit down with a Muslim and learn what it means to be one (You lack understanding of what it means to be a Muslim)”
Subjective words don’t convince anyone. As you can see, the proof of what a muslim is clear so try to refute that first. As I’ve asked you, what is the right one? There are many sects. Should I ask an ahmadi? Be serious and answer my 3 points to you. When I want to know it I just go to the source directly. It will clear all misinterpretation.
You wrote, “Those reading can make up there own minds if they believe what Ali Sina says and others on this site then so be it”
I call it verification. I don’t just read and verify, I also listen to what muslims say. I live in muslim majority nation and I know that muslim is forbidden to befriend kafir. I hear it directly even though few of them don’t want to believe it and choose their own judgment, at least their imam does. Hate speech from the mosque is not rare here.
You wrote, “If someone studies Islam themselves and learns like I say and still does not agree with it is there own choose (Freewill)”
I did and so did Sina. I doubt you studied it. All you have here is just subjective feeling. Ah, about free will, why don’t you join me in the discussion? It’s in marrying a muslim man.
You wrote, “You have already made up your mind on Islam and you will not change it no matter what I say or anyone else”
Love to play assumption, eh Jakob? Do you know me? Do you know my post about Islam? At first, I knew nothing of Islam but I live in majority muslim nation. I saw atrocity made by muslims, not all done by the radical. Even ordinary mass can be dangerous. I know that there is a hypocrite in the Quran and muslim who doesn’t follow the Quran will be branded as one and attacked too. Before I came to Sina’s site I had already disliked Islam. My reading about Islam confirmed more.
You wrote, “That is your loss”
Again, falling in love with assumption? You haven’t proven anything yet.
You wrote, “Show respect for Islam something which none of you is doing”
Trust me, minorities in my country don’t respect Islam because of muslim’s deed and belief. Fear is the only one prevents them to do that. Hate deserves no respect, let alone falsehood.
You wrote, “-Oh brother, if what you say is right and correct and these vices are present in me then Allah may pardon and forgive my sin. And if you are telling a lie then Allah may forgive you and pardon your sin”
Last time I check, he’s not a prophet of god and not emulated by muslim worldwide. No need to play probability because the proof is right here. Anyway, does god want to play this?
Hinduism is a evil cult concocted by primitve people – The Caste system is evil – The people are disgusting and filthy thats why we can't consume there meat because they worship hundreds of Devils, jsut look at there Gods, they look like Devils. Satti is when a women is burned alive when her husband dies, That is how evil Hindus are tehy drink urine and eat fieces adn worship whatever they desire, disgusting inbreeds.
Ali IS the group of people you idiot.
Wow, that is great news that Ali Sina has a group working for this noble cause of freeing muslims from the evil clutches of islam.
I have already posted what my views were on the matter of Islam and this site
If you read my other posts on this site also
One God all religions have there own different interpenetration of that one God
(Will not be trolled)
Please sit down with a Muslim and learn what it means to be one (You lack understanding of what it means to be a Muslim)
Those reading can make up there own minds if they believe what Ali Sina says and others on this site then so be it
If someone studies Islam themselves and learns like I say and still does not agree with it is there own choose (Freewill)
You have already made up your mind on Islam and you will not change it no matter what I say or anyone else
That is your loss
Show respect for Islam something which none of you is doing
Anyway I quote this to you from Zayn al-‘Ābidīn
-Oh brother, if what you say is right and correct and these vices are present in me then Allah may pardon and forgive my sin. And if you are telling a lie then Allah may forgive you and pardon your sin
Regards Jakob
Come one, laughing is not going to answer me. Tell me, if I'm an idiot then what are you? My posts in here is clean from any muslims. Sure, few of them tried to refute but they always run in the middle. 😉
You can read, right? You can actually see my post, right? So, you should aware what I did all this long. I'm making you smart here.
I'm trying to honestly doing a measurement here based on your own standard. What's wrong with that, kiddo? :p:p
Dear, oh dear. You are so emotional, kiddo. I’m not a Hindu or I worship Kali. Yes, Kali is a god of destruction but we already know that there is a force of destruction in this universe. Natural disaster is one of them and comet is the other, so no strange thing here.
I see you avoid my post here. Come on, have some gut. :p
Oh, great. So, where is the refutation? :p
Ali Sina is a group of people
Regards Jakob
Third junk posting. Oh, I'm so amazed, auntie. <3
If I have no job then I need it more than the one in your post, don't you agree? Why don't you do something useful and donate to me? It is better than simply denying the real problem in this world. Do you know that I have first hand experience with that? I live in muslim country you know.
All religions are creation of humans including Islam and you are clearly avoiding the errors in Islam. Tell me, what is satan? What his face looks like? Have you seen him? Don't tell me you are his friend because you know him so much. 😉
God is not stupid, the fake prophet is.
My post about Islam is everywhere in this site. My post about Bible is also here. I don't need to repeat it. Click my profile.
Ah, one more cherry picker chose to cherry pick my sentences. I know you haven’t discussed any point I raised earlier.
Jakob, you wrote, “Mass hysteria not fact”
Petty denial not fact.
You wrote, “I do not hate other religions or want them to convert by force ect (blatant lie to assume all want this) I just dislike some of the acts which the followers do such as worshipping idols and money, loose morals hate filled people and those with bigot mentaltily saying islam is a cult without stating solid facts (twisting facts or half quoting )”
This is not about you, Jakob, it’s about Islam and it’s written perfectly clear about it. Blatant lie? So, the one who has proof and shown it, is lying and the one who refused to refute it, is not? Very funny logic you have here. I dislike what your holy books had said towards its core belief and mission. Sonny, you have to grow up and think that worshipping idol is not endangering anyone. The same with worshipping the so called one god (I know you deliberately missed this), it poses no danger as long as it stays that way. The one that is not stating fact here is you, not this site. I did ask you to try to answer my posts here. The only bigot you can find is Allah himself. Do you read his words?
You wrote, “This site is provoking Muslims, if Muslims did this we would never hear the end of it.”
Wrong. This site is opening the eye of muslims with shocking attitude. Gentler one had been done by Sina in the past and showed little result. Want to hear the end? Simple, do the challenges.
You wrote, “Members are provoking the Muslims making them look bad and when a Muslim responses or gets angry (common act when you have someone saying they are a savage and evil)
They imply they are evil and try and troll the Muslim so he/she swears and they get banned”
What members (can you call free commenter as member?) had posted had nothing to do with the site’s policy. You should aware this rule is applied to other sites as well. The comment expressed is the opinion of the readers, not representing the site. Do I provoke muslim if I call Muhammad as an assassin? Or it is a fact? This site had explained it many times that muslims are evil to the extent that they want to emulate Muhammad or defend it with anything they use. Dishonesty doesn’t look good to anyone. When muslim tried to discuss something with honesty, he/she would get respect. If a muslims behaved like a common troll from the start then you’d know what will happen. The one that gets banned is the comment, not the person. Just see the one that keep changing its name, can you find anything healthy in there? You can also see how many useless comments and links muslims made so far. All is revealed.
You wrote, “Funny one even hoped I was assassinated (lovely I know -.- )”
Oh, don’t worry because we are not Muhammad’s disciples.
You wrote, “Muslims do not play into there hands and swear as then they will have no excuse to bane you”
Muslims are angry even when looking at fact. They never want to think that Islam has weakness. That’s bias
You wrote, “Also I suggest those people harassing Muslims not to be so smug”
Hm, don’t talk to me coz I only deal with technical area.
You wrote, “Remember we all will be i judged by Allah (God) in the end”
God? Maybe yes or no. Allah? Certainly no. Care to answer my questions about god? Don’t use your own view to judge others. This is why you are not neutral.
You wrote, “Use your lives for better things”
Informing the danger of infidel’s lifestyle is one of them. Can I reserve it? Can I say that muslism have nothing to do than doing what Allah had commanded to do? You do aware that this life is nothing compared to the hereafter, don’t you? Rather than praying 5 times a day and thinking to convert all people to Islam, why don’t you use your ability for humanity?
I suggest you refute the error and atrocity in Islam first.
Not really. Is cherry picking wise?
Wow, I talked about the errors in Islam and you talked about Sati? Come on, I told you to read my queries about Islam and try to answer it. Can you answer or not? Other religion’s belief (which is not a danger) is irrelevant.
Do you want to explain as to why your prophet thought that flies can be eaten or camel urine is drinkable? Can you explain as why your kaabah had a female genital figure in it?
Do you read my posts about Islam or my rebuttal about your silly accusation?
:p
According to Prof. Albert Eistein, all the gods, including Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, the Hindu gods, etc.etc, are created by men who wrote all the wrong knowlede about the creation of the universe and the human race on earth as stated in their holy books (including the Quran). He concluded that these gods are so confused and ill-informed. So what are your opinions about the mistakes in the holy books, (Quran included).? Is God that stupid as made all those errors ?
Please post yr clear refutations here n now.
But the true "message" did not give the peace in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan n many ME countries where shooting, killing n bombing are happening daily. Face the facts n don't rely on slogans only.
No, no, u will be judged by a Supreme God called Su God with His Law of Karma n Reincarnation when u die. He does not provide wine n food for enjoyment like u can have in the night clubs in Los Angeles n other cities in the free world. Eating n drinking will produce tons of defecation. This will surely defile the heaven or paradise.
@ Jonathan Harrell
Many comments that have been posted under Ali Sina for weeks are now appearing under your name. Are you using Mr. Sina's computer or it is you who plays Ali Sina in all this time?
What a load of BS!!!! You keep worshipping your false Gods idiot.
Jonathan you are using Ali's log in again, or is it because Ali doesn't exist? You guys are a bunch of fools. I always wondered how one person can type so much verbal diarrohea, it's because Ali doesn't exist.
Jesus came only for the "Lost sheep of Israel not for the Gentiles", he despised the Gentiles. He also stated that he came with the Sword. Your methodology is to demonise an innocent man MR ADMIN!!!!!!!
How can a Muslim go to Jahanam when it was built for the Disbelievers and Polytheists like you and your Demonic Hindu Gods?
Why are Moderators and Admin posting comments and agreeing with each other? Do you really think people are that stupid? LOL!!!
Amer, Don't waste your breath, Ali does not exist, this is a group of ANTI ISLAMIC EXTREMIST ADULTERERS, FORNICATORS, DRUNKS, GAMBLERS AND UNGODLY SOULS WHO DESPISE ISLAM BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE AWAY THERE EVIL LIFE.
OMG Ali Sina is a group of people OMG!!!! The truth is out!"!!!!!!!
Buhahahahhahahha!!!!!!
LMAO!!!! You morons!!!!
Arya you have been proven to be a liar OMG!!!! This is proof how these devils twist the meanings. Umar Ibn Al Kattab said "We kiss the stone ONLY because the prophet kissed it" That was it!!!! no other reason!!!! Arya you have been caught out!!!! Now show me what hsitorical text written by any Islamic Scholar to substantiate this claim otherwise the world will see your evil tactics.
LOL!!!! Everin you made me laugh, thanks. Let me tell you the Islamic point of view.
Reincarnation is only possible in the after life but I guess you already knew that.
"If you can't answer an idiot then what kind of human are you? "
Lol!!! Now that made me laugh. Whats up Sanada? whats on your idiot mind LOL!!!? Please tell me.
You REALLY need to get a life and a job.
WoW!!! That Bushism really made my day!!!! buwhahahhahahahhah!!!!
Thats a statement not a fact.
Many thanks
Regards Jakob
John you are such a liar, if your going to make a statment like thsi provide the proof from authentic sources, I am waiting.
Wise words
You need to get a job and make a contribution to society or at least do charity work like helping those less fortunate than you. It is better than wasting your time trying to demonise Islam, all relegions are a creation of Satan except Islam, Islam is the true message from God.
''You want to make all people to submit to Islam by conversion or subjugation''
Mass hysteria not fact
I do not hate other religions or want them to convert by force ect (blatant lie to assume all want this) I just dislike some of the acts which the followers do such as worshipping idols and money, loose morals hate filled people and those with bigot mentaltily saying islam is a cult without stating solid facts (twisting facts or half quoting )
This site is provoking Muslims, if Muslims did this we would never hear the end of it.
Members are provoking the Muslims making them look bad and when a Muslim responses or gets angry (common act when you have someone saying they are a savage and evil)
They imply they are evil and try and troll the Muslim so he/she swears and they get banned
Funny one even hoped I was assassinated (lovely I know -.- )
Muslims do not play into there hands and swear as then they will have no excuse to bane you
Also I suggest those people harassing Muslims not to be so smug
Remember we all will be i judged by Allah (God) in the end
Use your lives for better things
Regards Jakob
Okay Sanada do you want to explain to the audience what Satti is or shall I? Or why Hindus drink Urine and eat fieces? or why they Eat with Rats at the Rat Temple or why they wash a huge Penis idol with milk? Didn't think so, don't be a hypocrite, Hinduism is a devil worshipping cult.
Hey, truther/hindu dog/ whatever your name is, do you realize that you have made mistake in your response? Let me give you these:
1. I knew it was you but your post is missing (better learn to behave) so I posted new one since it only showed up in my email. And since you keep changing name then ….
2. I did respond in accordance to your silly protest and what did you do? Nothing at all.
3. Which one of your clear refutation? Is it the same level with your biblical quote? You seriously think that is right?
4. Any “refutation” is here in comment section.
I suggest you don’t repeat things like this and start to read my multiple queries about Islam. Try to answer it point by point. It’s huge. I'll be waiting … very long coz the list is long … cheers
The truth is right here.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, someone doesn't pay attention to what I'm saying here. Since when I provoke muslims here? Since when muslims can prove me wrong about Islam? Since when muslims can answer my queries here? All I did was stating fact. The one that provokes the rest of humanity is you and your religion. You want to make all people to submit to Islam by conversion or subjugation. You want to make Allah's law as the world law.
Hah? You have what? Is this one of it? It's because I see nothing at all in your comment but emotion. Don't use cheap excuse, kid. Muslim's comment is revealed as you can see in this site. There are many muslims free to comment and post links. Can't you see it?
Come on, don't talk about Bible again since I've responded on this one.
At last someone who is intelligent enough to see the truth.
Oh, can't wait, kiddo. <3
Get your facts right, I was actually talking about you. You provoke Muslims and when they retalliate you hypocritically Judge. Why is it that Muslims clear refutations are not posted? I have made dozens of comments refuting Ali Sina but they are always dleted by Admin, I wonder why? They are scared Ali's ignorant followers will see the truth that the Bible and Torah are full of verses talking about the permissability of Incest, peadophillia, Rape, Terror, Human Sacrifice, google it.
Someone here said, "Reverse Psychology, attack islam, get a reaction, blame the Muslim, Well Done!!! No Medal for you idiot."
This is wrong and misquoted. This is the real problem with muslims in general. They always give negative attitude towards critics. Anything muslim does as long as it's in accordance with Islam will get this reaction and its fact. If you don't do what Muhammad taught you then you will not get criticized. If you want to defend it with negative attitude like this then you'll earn no respect. All you need is a little of honesty to admit what Muhammad had done and see from other's view about him.
Anything you dislike is like that eh?
Can't answer it? Just say so. Don't worry, I split my time in real life and here. How about you? If the answer exists it shouldn't take much time, should it?
No one gets deleted unless you are abusive like the one here. Hey, why don't you try to answer me? I see that muslims here don't dare to confront my queries. Is there any answer (not excuse like this) you can bring? <3
That's it? Is it because no muslims can answer me? You are begging me here, not answering me. If you can't answer an idiot then what kind of human are you?
Oh, this imbecile is banned, eh? Too bad, I can't kick its ass. But, surprise, surprise, its comment is in my message. This imbecile (fact) talked about atrocity in the bible like eating babies or pedophilia (not realizing that Muhammad was also a pedo) and quoted Judges 9:42:49.
009:042 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the people went out into the field; and they told Abimelech.
009:043 And he took the people, and divided them into three companies, and laid wait in the field, and looked, and, behold, the people were come forth out of the city; and he rose up against them, and smote them.
009:044 And Abimelech, and the company that was with him, rushed forward, and stood in the entering of the gate of the city: and the two other companies ran upon all the people that were in the fields, and slew them.
009:045 And Abimelech fought against the city all that day; and he took the city, and slew the people that was therein, and beat down the city, and sowed it with salt.
009:046 And when all the men of the tower of Shechem heard that, they entered into an hold of the house of the god Berith.
009:047 And it was told Abimelech, that all the men of the tower of Shechem were gathered together.
009:048 And Abimelech gat him up to mount Zalmon, he and all the people that were with him; and Abimelech took an axe in his hand, and cut down a bough from the trees, and took it, and laid it on his shoulder, and said unto the people that were with him, What ye have seen me do, make haste, and do as I have done.
009:049 And all the people likewise cut down every man his bough, and followed Abimelech, and put them to the hold, and set the hold on fire upon them; so that all the men of the tower of Shechem died also, about a thousand men and women.
Is there anything here about "eating babies" and "pedophilia"?
Another one is Jeremiah 11:22-23
011:022 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will punish them: the young men shall die by the sword; their sons and their daughters shall die by famine:
011:023 And there shall be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.
Is there anything here?
Now, this imbecile talked about Numbers 25:1-9, sacrifice:
025:001 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
025:002 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
025:003 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
025:004 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
025:005 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.
025:006 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
025:007 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
025:008 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
025:009 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.
Is this imbecile against prophet Musa and not reading the entire context?
okay, sorry I was in admin mode
Johnathan. You are again using my account. Please post under your own name.
Do you have one? I thought Muslims use slaves.
Thank you for enforcing it and keeping this site civil.
thank you for reporting vulgarity, the I.P will be temporarily banned by the moderators
We have a lot of data about Muhammad to talk about him. What information do you have about my mother?
But I'm glad you are here. Many non-Muslims are not aware of what filthy-minded people Muslims can be. You should call it the unholy Quran for the type of people it breeds.
The site allows any opinion to be expressed. It does not allow profanity and obscene insults.
"We have terms for commenting, please behave like a scholar. No vulgar words if you don't wanna get banned"
damn!!! that means everyones banned!!!!
WHY DOES ADMIN DELETE ALL THE MUSLIM POSTS? ARE THEY AFRAID THE IGNORANT MASSES WILL SEE THE TRUTH BEHIND THIS DECEITFUL SITE? WHY IS ADMIN ONLY ALLOWING THE HATE FILLED ABUSIVE COMMENTS OF CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE FOUND AN ALLY IN THE INTERNET PHANTOM ALI? THIS SITE IS A JOKE!!! JUST AS I WAS ENJOYING DESTROYING THE IGNORAMOUSES ON THIS SITE!!! NEVER MIND, YOUR ALL FILLED WITH HATRED.
Yes you are
Sanada go back to sleep
Hindu find a Job man seriously!!!!
Sanada get a job.
I guess if you don't know that Bible bashers are people that hate the bible, you probably don't know anything about anything else that you are talking about.
Muhammad worshiped sex.
I simply choose the information very much, I truly do we do faith you would definitely blog more details on this.
The black stone which pre-Islamic Arabs especially Quraish worshiped black stone which was set in a cubic vault in the form of vagina. Those Arabs were worshipers of vagina and Muhammad revered this vagina and made this tradition a part of Islamic worship.
Repetition fallacy. 😉
Let's compare it then, using the content. Which content is actually describe your word? 😉
Any evil human is worse than animal because animal doesn't destroy its kind. Are you animalophobia?
Proof? Quote the verse. please and try to answer queries in here. I've many queries that haven't been answered. xD
Good example of a muslim. 😉
Instead of posting rhetorical rant, how about answering my questions about Islam here? There are multiple posts that no muslims can answer. Maybe your guys from examine truth can come here and answer me.
What is "future research" anyway? I've seen many things about Islam from both sites. Maybe you can add something I don't know here.
You know, subjective and unclear post like this is many, lying around like garbage in various site, not just religions. Believe me, I've seen it a lot and bored.
Examine truth com brings nothing new. I read that site too. There was a muslim from this site who run from discussion long ago. 😉
Oh, this a trend of islamophobe accusation. Before you label anything you dislike with the word phobia, why don't you try to clear the allegation and proof here. If this is just irrational fear it should be easy to deal, isn't it?
Don't you ever read your own religion? Do you read the hatred? Do you read that unbeliever is the enemy?
Oh, such a nice short-story with such a tragic ending. At some deep level, I think she kinda deserved it: I mean, if she *really read & understood* what Dr. Ali Sina has been writing and still go back, I really think she deserved the tragic ending (of falling back into the sewage of islam).
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MN
@John K, I liked your remark. That's witty !! And leave it to this site's contents [simply put, the TRUTH] & comments to bring out the worst in even the most well-groomed Muslims, eh?
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MN
Oh my. Were all of those expletives directed at me – am I the "bitch"? Well, now, let's treat that as a muslim's gift to me or may be all hindus. Now, I (& all my hindu brethren) do not accept this gift. So, the gift belongs to & symbolizes the "giver". [Buddha's concept, I think]
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So, I feel sad that this user self-titled as "Hindu Dog" just ended up insulting his / her own self. Oh, and it definitely tells a LOT about this particular Muslim.
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Wishful thinking.
Savages and barbarians.
The Bible orders to EAT BABIES, COMMIT INCEST PEADOPHILLIA, TERRORISM, so don't try twisting a Quranic verse that calls on the Oppressed Muslims to fight back you dirty stinking Hindu Dog.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=72017&Cat=4&dt=10%2F12%2F2011
Oh stop begging and be quiet you imbecile
The debates which she listened to demonstrated that her trusted “men of faith” who ran these anti Islamic websites devoted to “exposing Islam”… were actually deceivers and were clearly telling lies about Islam and the Prophet Muhammed(P)! In short, Warrior2004 realized that she was deceived and conned all this time, and even worse… she sincerely believed in these pious lies to the point that she became a warrior for Christ against Islam. After further research, Warrior2004 further discovered that Islam was indeed the truth which was being concealed from her all these years, and finally… she decided to embrace Islam. Thus the great Warrior2004 became Ahmineh.
She especially condemned the marriage of Aisha to Prophet Muhammed(P). She nicknamed herself, warrior2004 in which she viewed herself as a warrior for Christ against the “evil” of Islam. In fact, I had some very “spirited” discussions with warrior2004 over the past two years and let’s just say… I gave up on this individual a long time ago. However, over the past year, warrior2004 became curious as to how Muslims respond to what she believed was convincing evidence which proved Islam was evil. She began to visit ExamineTheTruth.com’s Lies Against Islam section, in which she viewed many of the downloadable debates between ExamineTheTruth.com her “trusted” websites such as Answering Islam. What she found shocked her.
Ahmineh first learned about Islam through a chat software called http://www.paltalk.comin which she not only came into contact with Muslims, but many Islamophobes who regularly opened rooms to insult and bash Islam. She began to study anti Islamic websites such as Answering Islam, FaithFreedom.org and others. As a result of being exposed to these Islam bashers, she began to hate the religion and view Islam as the “enemy”.
Your pseudonym and comments tell us about your petty and filthy mindset.
Not every Muslim is behaving badly, but the Quran's teachings to conquer the world are available to every Muslim. A Muslim can increase his commitment to the Quran at any time, especially during a life crisis. All of them are potentially dangerous, but not all of them are dangerous at any one time.
Leave it to a Muslim to bring a filthy mind to this site.
How about following the truth regardless of who is saying it. Your pride keeps you in ignorance.
Is this the best you can come up with?
Feels bad isn't it when the teachings of Islam for other religions is applied on Islam itself.
This is just the beginning to what the great Ali Sina is doing and time is ripe when the blind haters of this world known as muslims would get a taste of their own medicine all around the world.
Good that you have come up in the language of muhammad, let the world see what you are made up off so that our resolve and commitment gets better every day.
Why would a Muslim go anywhere near a dirty stinking filthy **** ******** **** ****** idol worshipping ***** *****? exactley they wouldn’t. Hindus are filthy animals, Muslims cannot eat the meat of the dirty filthy Hindu so tatse the Hindu women URGHHHH!!!!
So your claiming 1 in 3 persons (Muslim) act worse than animals and are full of hatred? you are another brainwashed muppet of the internet phantom Ali Sina's.
amer, amer , amer
Dr Sina is not wasting his time for nothing. He told the truth that no one can deny, even you can not deny. He shared his thinking with evidence and facts. He dedicated this website for the future of mankind.
His website was read by many people all around the world.
amer, amer, amer
Can you explain why he spread the hate against islam ? All he wrote is what muhammad said in quran. Can you you explain why you disagree ?
HEY I AM TELLING U THE REAL INCIDENT I MYSELF HAD WITNESSED . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . yesterday was non violence day. in the morning one muslim found teared pages of quran in front of his door.soon muslim mob gathered in thousands(i dont know how they do it so fast) and marched towards police station to launch complain.but plan changed they start beating the police(they are in thousand) after that start wandering in market and start throwing stones petrol bombs fired the buses and rikshaws. all the time no hindu came against them.i was in market at my uncles shop.we closed our shops. when police came they beat them badly. u can see their photos at DAINIK JAGRAN WEBSITE even muslim child were doing this. now today is curfew imposed all over city. in our area people are saying they just did it to loot the shop one big jewellary shop was looted. this is planned attack. they r always ready for riot.
islam is not a religion, it is a political system. See for yourself watch Google Video: "Dispatches – Undercover Mosque" – "Islam: What the West Needs to Know" – "JIHAD IN EUROPE" Then you will hear their own words and see them for what they really are. You may also want to see "60 Minutes, 04.25.10" on cbs news com. If muslims don't like the way we live tell them to leave our country. Deport them and their families if they violate any laws!
This comment is also a problem of conflating Christian ideology with people doing things in the name of Christianity.
This theory is debunked by John O’Neil in his book Islam and the demise of classical civilization. He shows much of what the historians have said about the negative influence of Christianity on the Roman civilization is a myth and proves it with very clear examples. That book must be read by everyone interested in the subject.
Ali Sina,
One problem with your argument is that even before Islam came along Christianity was not always tolerant. In fact it was pretty intolerant, at least after it gained a foot hold in the government of the Roman Empire.
390 A.D. – Paganism outlawed througout Empire http://spqr360.com/articles/390_paganism_outlawed…
We really don't know exactly what the world would be like If Islam never existed.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW STUPID YOU SOUND?
what the hell…
There's a big difference between honest human mistakes and Muhammad's blatant evil.
Your words, not his.
According to Blaise Pascal (in article http://alisina.org/what-if-god-exists/) we should believe in God. Because if we now believe that there is no God, but after death suddenly found that there is really a God, then no scope to rectify, straight looser. But If we believe in God in this life, then we will be in safe side whether there is God exists or not. So what we have to do is to find out the only true / loving God among the Gods in various religions.
If Dr. Ali Sina was honest, suppose one of my friends called me, Maruf come out of your home, right then I will asked him where I will live at night? If he could not provide me another home than he has no right to call me come out? My friend should first manage another better home for me if he wants me to leave my current home. But Mr. Sina is not doing that he should have at first come up with a truer / lovelier God comparing to Muslim God before asking Muslims to denounce their faith. But without giving a solution he is offering a problem. This proves that Mr. Ali Sina has something evil hidden in his mind.
He also suggests that to live ethically this will be enough for you. I am also agree with him in this regard.
But who will decide the ethics meaning which is bad or which is right?
Somebody tells, looking to a woman is bad, somebody tells looking is ok but touching is bad, somebody tells shaking and kissing is ok but adultery is bad, somebody tells everything is ok if both agree. Somebody tells Gay is very bad, some tells no it is their right. Some tells to be vegetarian is right , some tells no everything which is permitted can be eaten . Some tells bikini is perfect because it reveals the whole beauty, some tells no- woman should be modestly covered. Doctors say alcohol is harmful but it is permitted in many countries. Some says gambling is bad because it looses man financially, socially but many countries has permitted it. Some says interest is not bad for economy although it can’t resist recession, others tell that Islamic banking is less affected by the recession. A robber says robbery is good because he can earn much money with less effort and enjoy a luxurious life but the victim will say it is crime.
For these reasons laws of every country differs each other and there is a continuous clash between pro and con.
So the question is that who will define the good or bad or set limit. It is obviously the God, the Creator. Otherwise every right or wrong i.e. ethics becomes meaningless. So Gods presence/guidance is essential.
So what is Dr. Sina doing, he is trying to make Muslims ex, without suggesting a more true God/religion for them. He wants to bring them out of home to under the sun, rain, storm, danger. It is inhuman. He is utilizing his brilliancy, literacy for misleading people, for the evil of the society.
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I'm pretty sure he had read it.
For all the hyperbole about rationality & logic (by Sina), did you see there's no response for my following statements (by Sina),
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"If "pacifism is not a good practice when the world is filled with bullies" – then why do you profess to my friends, my relatives, my hindooo brethren "Good Hindu becomes gandhi"? Do you want good hindu people to be non-violent & pacifist & jianist?
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There, you're all tied up with your own statements. Let's see where your *rationality & logic" leads you from this point. The right thing to do is recognize your ignorance about gandhi & retract the insulting statement suggesting my friends, my relatives & my hindooo brethren become "jianist, pacifist, non-violence-ist" fools."
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I'll give Ali Sina the benefit of the doubt – may be he did not look at the comments till now. And may be he will not look at these in the future too – for it's so convenient to him to do so.
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It depends, if the girls were 13 or below, then yes.
Similarly, gandhi was born in a hindu family. However, he was greatly influenced by Xian religion (when he was studying in England) & by Jain traditions (his entire childhood was spent around Jain families of Gujarat).
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However, none of those (Xianity or Jainism) advised that he (gandhi) sleep naked with young women 1/3rd his age -as confirmed by Sigmund Freuds comments on gandhi. If Mo was a pedophile because he married a 6 yr old & consummated when she was 9 yrs – what is gandhi (who slept with multiple young women when he was 50+ yrs old) – I know that as per Sina Akbar he (gandhi) was a good-hindu.
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Reminds me to the case of Hitler who was born in Christian family but got influenced by Islam.
lol…tallest guy in the galaxy 😉
here.. you have a hindu that quotes the "London Times" to talk about the "wonder" that is Hindu religion. Did the london times write Manu shasthra or did they write any of the other dharma shashtras ? Did they write the upanishads, the vedas or the smritis & shruthis. Pathetic reasoning. Since the white-man says so, it must be write. How much more inferior can you feel? Remember the white man also treated you & *OUR* ancestors as SLAVES. Dogs & Indians not allowed on rail-coaches – that was also what the LONDON TIMES would've supported. A person becomes a good hindu by following the religion – not by being quoted by LONDON TIMES. How pathetic can you be?
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Mr. Sugumar – thamizh thaane saar neenga. Illai malayalee aa?
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Go and read Verses 279 thru 281 of Manusmriti Chapter 8. Then get back & tell me what London Times & other Western news-papers would say about that? How *wonderful* are those verses, saar – sollunga.
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Also, the next time a Muslim barbarian wants to rape a hindu woman – please unga amma, akka, thangai, pondatti, chithi, peri-amma, paati, ponnu, ella pengal-ayum – please ask all of them to become voluntary women to satisfy the lust of muslim barbarians. Do that – and then we'll accept you TRULY respect gandhi.
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Vandutaanga pesa.. podaaannng goyyale..
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Well said Artya Anand. There are millions of *Good Hindu* people that Sina Akbar can point out as exemplary. Why should he choose to point out a spineless swine-like excuse of a human being gandhi as being an exemplary. gandhi can be an exemplary political leader – based on whom today's Congress BJP & other Indian political parties are cheating the indian people & indulging in corruption. But he can never qualify as a good hindu.
One should also look at Freudian comments on gandhi's sleeping-naked with girls 1/3rd his age – what Hindu dharm shastra is that? I guess Sina Akbar knows more than us born & raised hindoos. What about gandhi's advise that hindu & sikh women not fight rape when carried out by muslim barbarians during the partitition. what about gandhi's statement where he says "he would like the feet of a muslim violater of hindu & sikh women". I guess Sina Akbar knows hindu dharma shasthra more than even Manu & Brahma – to recognize gandhi as a good hindu.
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Vande Mataram
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If "pacifism is not a good practice when the world is filled with bullies" – then why do you profess to my friends, my relatives, my hindooo brethren "Good Hindu becomes gandhi"? Do you want good hindu people to be non-violent & pacifist & jianist?
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There, you're all tied up with your own statements. Let's see where your *rationality & logic" leads you from this point. The right thing to do is recognize your ignorance about gandhi & retract the insulting statement suggesting my friends, my relatives & my hindooo brethren become "jianist, pacifist, non-violence-ist" fools.
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NOTE to Arya Anand, Sanada_10 – see this comment-chain. I've highlighted multiple times how evil gandhi was; see Ali Sina The Great's response? He makes statements "gandhi was a JIANIST" – and then concludes pacifism is not a good practice when the world is filled with bullies – but guess what – he still urges "Good Hindu becomes gandhi". In other words, he is aware that becoming gandhi is not good in a world full of bullies; he knows that gandhi was a JIANIST – and still sticks to his statement that "Good Hindu becomes gandhi". Do you see Ali Sina Akbar's double-standard here? I shouted, any many many times, the emperor has no clothes – but clearly Sina Akbar would like to indulge in his own ignorance running around in his "new clothes". So, now, WHAT WOULD YOU DO (like that TV series on ABC)? Get involved or walk away?
Vande Mataram
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I believe it is natures experimentation with life which has led from basic form of life to man & ultimately leading to evolution of HUMAN & may be ROBOMAN. The extent of Violence is coming down ( may not be killings) from Animal Kingdom to Prehistoric Man to Historic man to Modern Man. Now there are news of Artificial Meat being produced by tissue culture . It is for Non-vegetarians to gradually change-over to this form of meat to alleviate Mute Animals from sufferings. I hope a day may come when Artificial Food is produced purely from Natural Substances which at-least take Man to a Purely Nonviolent culture, provided Human Society evolves to such a level putting aside religious preachings.
prithvi is right.
Thank you for this uplifting and encouraging comment. But I am not sacrificing anything. I love what I do. I am not making money from this and it actually cost me to maintain these sites. But it is a tiny sacrifice. The rewards are much bigger. Any time I hear someone leaving Islam I feel one inch taller. Since thousands of people have left Islam, you can imagine how tall I feel. 😉
Dr. Ali Sina, your logic and your use of analogies reminds me of the Buddha, even though I’m not a Buddhist but I’ve read Buddhism. And for you as an athiest, I think that’s pretty Ok for you, since the Buddha rejected the idea of any god as a creator, which I think that is what atheism is mostly defined as.
Your arguments are crystal clear. This coupled with the fact that you are a vegan proves your love and sincerity “WHOLE”. You enjoy kindness and the aleviation of pain and sufferings, whereas Muhammad and his “killer zombies” enjoy hatred and domination. This makes you the complete opposite to them. This is why you are a powerful force against this evil that has infested the minds of ignorant men and women for 1400 years.
Thank you, on behalf of humanity and animals on Earth. There is a saying in Buddhism that goes like this: “If I don’t go to hell (to save you), who will ?”
In other words, you needed to be born into an Islamic world so that you could lead those suffering inside it to escape. No self sacrifice is bigger than this.
Gandhi does not deserve the title "Mahatma" which means great soul. He was just a hypocrite and an opportunist. His doctrines were all garbage and nonsense. His philosophy of non violence even when attacked by enemies of freedom is not the philosophy of Hinduism. He just pretended to be a good Hindu while he was not. Hinduism particularly the texts of Bhagavt Geetha and Mahabharatha teach about fight against Adharma(injustice, evils) but Gandhi preached against Hindu Dharma and taught his followers not to fight against the colonial British army even when attacked by them brutally .
His doctrine was to beg freedom from the British empire and not snatch it from them. This doctrine only served the interests of the British imperialists.
When the alliance of imperialist Japan, Germany and Italy got the upper hand in the initial stage of world war II, Gandhi decided to side with Mussolini and was ready to welcome him into India. He even advised the British rulers to reconcile with Mussolini and and accept his rule.
Gandhi also advised Jews to jump into the red sea and commit mass suicide to touch the conscience of Hitler. It is the height of madness one can imagine. Gandhi just hijacked the congress party with the support of a faction in the party that mainly comprised of his mad followers.
When Christians do evil, it is because they deviate from what Jesus taught. When Muslims do good deeds, it is because they disobey their prophet. When they follow him they become evil. A good Christian becomes Mother Theresa. A Good Hindu becomes Gandhi. A good Buddhist becomes Dalai Lama. A good Muslim becomes Khomeini.Golden satement .As a Hindu I thank you very much for projecting true picture of Hinduism. The London times Once remarked " No other religion otherthan Hinduism and noother country other than India could have produced a man like Mahatma Gandhiji.who is a perfect example of Hinduism
No Dear friend, there are thousands of people like you and pewneet who are waking up to know what a bloody rascal and filthy bastard this Gandhi was, he was very shrewd and a very smart nautanki who acted like a peaceful person but deep inside he appeased the muslims in India as Nehru the another bastard got him made "Father Of A Bastard Nation"…. these two rascals got Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose murdered… and the Nehruvian rascals have for years been successful in hiding all these things but now people are waking up… I sincerely with to see the day in my lifetime (although I know it's not going to happen) when the image of this Gandhi the dog will be stripped of currency notes, his statues will be broken and kicked and images of real heroes like Subhash, Azad and Bhagat Singh will be printed on currency notes.. (sigh) only i wish i know…
Dear Alisina, Karma works for everyone. I just saw in the TV, millions of refugees escaping from their home land in Somalia, with little to eat n little possessions because of drought. U just think why these people have to undergo such intense suffering. U n I never get this “punishment”. WHY ??? Read Buddhism, Hinduism, Mahikari, JOHREI, n even in Gospel of John about Jesus’ answer about why a man being born blind. Sometimes, I think Heaven n Hell existed in this world where the rich n famous are enjoying life just like in heaven and the poor n unfortunate have to endure endless sufferings like living in hell. Judge for yourself. The Law of Karma says “you get what you deserve”. It serves as a warning for evil doers.
Man is fallible and will make mistakes. Whenever one man has the leadership over so many people there must be others who also have the authority to determine what he dicides is what the people want collectively and as a whole with guidance. Otherwise there will be total mayhem. As in the girl 16 in your writing who was burned by her husband because of 'his' beliefs of Islam. This was a terrible tragedy. So is bombing, cutting, stabbing, and shooting each other over simple differences, and religions this is being less than an animal. Have you ever considered that it is not the religions but the people who misconstrue them like Muhammad and his followers….FOR THEY ARE ONLY PEOPLE. They always say that what they do is in the name of Allah. This I believe comes from the saying 'Worldly" not of Allah or God so they feel all should be distroyed doing the destruction of the return of the 'Great One' to bring an end of all suffering and poverty sheading the blood of what they believe are sinners. The only problem with this is the Son of Allah or Jehovah God was suppose to do this NOT distroyed or judged by mankind or fleshly man.
Well.. there's only one problem.. let's rewind to the 5th century world.. guess where the Muslims are "NO WHERE".. so, once the Muslims of the world realize that all the lands they have occupied from the 7tn century are not theirs – and they leave all of it.. including Mecca..
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and they somehow get back the 300+ idols that were destroyed by a 7th century bedoin, dirty, filthy, pedophile, mass-murdering, genocidal piece of $–t sick psychopath – and they place those idols back at the kaabah..
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then, we should definitely restore palestine to it's original , indigenous population – and guess who that population is.. irrespective of who they are; they definitely aren't having anything to do with Islam.
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so.. if u think Palestine or Kashmir is wrongfully occupied, all you need to do is get the Muslim Ummah out of all the occupied lands on this world – which is basically, all places where muslims live.. wondering where they should go – well.. how about JAHANNUM..
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Madam.. i totally agree with you.. the only problem is.. gandhi (& not ghandhi) never started off with any good intentions at all.. he was an avid supporter of british genocide of the native zulus.. he actively supported the british army by being a first-aid person for the army in their genocidal war.. is that how one fights against colonialism? well, unless i'm a muslim that believes all of Rasool il Allah SAWS wars were *defensive*, I'm not buying that.
when he saw that the brits were racists and immaterial of how much he works they're going to treat him like a dog, he switched loyalties. Similarly that sick old pervert got a taste of muslim strength & immediately started sucking up to them..
And guess what.. most gandhians (followers or supporters of gandhi) would never accept that gandhi is just another senseless selfish vile pungent and dirty human being (like me and many of us humans).. they think he is *MAHATMA" – which, he is not.
This article intentionally is trying to fool all the visitors into thinking that good hindu people will become vile, seneless, spinless and foolish like that sick old perv named gandhi.. It appears, a hindu doesn't become a good hindu by following scriptures.. he becomes a good hindu when he follows pacifism & ahimsa / non-violence.. heck.. our most holiest books like the Bhagwath Geetha.. and the most significant deities like Rama & Krishna were all related to *WAR*..
If one intentionally puts ones head inside the sand and act as if he knows everything, guess where that person is going to be.. suffice to say: in a place I will not like to be myself..
There is no dearth of good hindus – who become good hindus by following the scriptures (or even by following humanity) – but this article ignores all of them & clings to a moronic, despicable, detestable evil person (someone who addressed Hitler as a friend & brother)..
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I guess as per this article a good hindu becomes a supremacist Nazi's suck-up slave..
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Thank you, my friend.. I'm glad there is at least one rational & reasonable soul that understands how evil gandhi was..
I dont know wat Gandhi said abt the rapist .. But if he had asked the Jews to commit sucide its fine with me… Its better to kill yourself rather killing innocents for their lands.. If genocide happend in GERMANY as Germans to give a piece of land y palestinians shud suffer??
The funny thing about these stupid allegations by marcionite is even if they were true (which they are not). It would be nothing but ad hominem, it is better just to ignore these thugs, they make it clear they do not care about truth. They will stoop to any level to defend their personality cults, regardless of whether its Jesus, Gandhi or the dalai lama.
I'm reminded of how continuum indulged in exactly what marcionite is doing here. I kept reiterating I'm a hindu & continuum kept calling me names including Xian scoundrel, etc.
If continuum alleging me to be Xian soundrel was wrong & uncalled-for, then the above disparaging remarks on / about enlightened25 are also wrong.
If this is Ms. Grace, or everin, then I feel very sad & sorry – to see her stoop to continuum's low-level.
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Plants do feel the pain & it's proven scientifically.
Google search term "plants nervous system"
I don't want to burden with loads of info – if someone wants to shatter their ignorance, there is enough science has already offerred on the subject out there.
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And "a good hindu becomes a gandhi" is an incorrect statement. A good hindu follows the scriptures & lives a good hindu life like millions have been doing from as early as 1500 B.C. There are MILLIONS of *good Hindus* – gandhi is not one of them. In Bhagwad Geetha Shri Krishn guides Arjun to *KILL* (as a last resort) his enemies, even if those enemies are his cousins & his GURU / Teachers;gandhi advised hindu & sikh women to not resist rape. Oh, the irony.
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Did I read the word "ignoramus" in the above comment? Once again, oh, the irony.
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Uh oh.. did you not mention in this very article that "A good Hindu becomes Gandhi" – and now you're saying Gandhi was a "Jianist". Is that a typo – should it be Jain instead of Jian?
Are you saying "a good hindu will become a JIANIST", or rather a JAIN? Either way, that's weird. Jains follow the thirthankaras & Shree Mahavir. I respect Jain people as much as I respect all people, like my brothers.
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Could you clarify about the JIANIST reference on your above comment, please?
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Hi Lorraine,
Making food taste like meat is important only at the begining, when you have still a lot of craving for meat. Gradually you don’t need it at all. As a matter of fact you start tasting the flavors of the food that at first seemed bland.
Who said being vegan is expensive? Avoid buying processed food. Buy fresh fruits and vegetable, eat raw as much as you can. Complement your diet with beans and whole grain cereals and also eat all sorts of raw nuts. Avoid restaurants if you can and your cost of food will not be half of what you used to spend when you were meat eater.
When you avoid meat, you don’t need a lot of sauces to make your food taste better. I make a bowl of fresh chopped vegetables add a little lemon juice and olive oil. It taste divine. Eat red or brown rice and it tastes so good that you don’t need to add anything else to it. Or you can slow cook beans and add to it soy protein. Soak the beens for eight hours and then cook them overnight.
To Ali Sina, about you choosing to be atheist is fine and is where I say and agree that things does change in time. Being a vegan is great there are so many ways to prepare foods to taste like meat does; also eating plants like stuffed green peppers with ? emm good you fill me in on this one, but eating this way has been proven that it helps in health and longivity. I would like to go back to being a vegan myself but it is sort of expensive. Be Happy.
You know sir many of us fall prey to colonialism when we are in he position of having so many people looking up to us this is too big of a job for just one man. I would like to think that Ghandhi started out with a good intention and if what you said happened then became lost. We are human and after any long reign over a certain circumstance we do become human and we make mistakes this is why I say we need each other as a village again no one person should be redeemed as superior. Never! We have to bond first. We have to put away childish thoughts. We have to not be selfish or greedy one person can only consume what is needed unfortunately today our wants are ruling us.
continued solution: Well if enough of us and I mean human beings would all come together on one universal bond and that is the sharing and loving and teaching of each other. I believe that we can make a change. Mother Teresa, tried to make a peaceful difference aganst the injustices of poverty and sickness first in the world but if later on down the road it got too fananically religious well I will have to say that this shows us that we all are only human and can make mistakes that is why we need each other constantly to help out in making some deisions
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I would have to agree with China's opposition to the Dalai Lama being a good Buddhist but this is what is so controversial. How one can be loving and sweet at one point and then when they're views are rejected they can become brutal and cruel to others the next. This is not in any way showing love and understanding or religious beliefs not of any goodness. When you describe religion one expects the kindness, loving, and the compassion of patience and the respect of others perspectives or beliefs. For time gives way to change hopefully for the better is all we have. This in my opinion is where we all go wrong we take a control over others and this is not the right way. You cannot bomb, shame, ostracize, or alienate people into believing a certain belief or force it upon them against what they believe this is not a form of humaity it is the complete opposite it is beastly. Solution?
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Arya, Ayahyah! u still based all yr arguments based on yr old HInduism. Go n study Buddhism n the latest ones, Johrei n Mahikari. Get latest info n don't be left behind….Ayoyo !!!
Prithvi., 1st Arya said Karma n reincarnation are fabrication. Now he said that he believe in Karma but not REincarnation. When got new info, he keep changing his mind. He should go n study more before he open his big, big mouth
1) those minor spirits were made millions years ago n at different times.
2) The widow would not recognize u in yr new body as a young boy or man.
3) the spirits only lost its memory but can still be recycled. Just like the water when it became steam, it discards all the impurities.
I am not interesting in anwering all yr naive questions, Go n study the books yrselft.!!!!!!
In that case Arya, I would like to have an opinion from you and also from Everin (let me know what you think about this)! Let us enjoy and make the most of this constructive discussion!
Arya! You say that you believe in the law of cause and effect and agree that, we reap what we sow but you do not agree with the concept of reincarnation.
Then in that case how would you explain this present of us, why is it that in this same world some are born in a miserable condition where as other are born perfect?
Some enjoy the best of privileges right from birth where as others survive on wretched conditions?
IF THERE WAS NO PAST, WHY ISN’T EVERYONE EQUAL RIGHT FROM THE OUTSET AND WHY IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE OR LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT NOT APPLICABLE HERE?
Sincerely!
Hi Everin, I do not disagree with the Law of Cause and Effect which is a scientific theory and it is proven in that we reap the result of our own actions. The Sanskrit word Karma means deed or action. So I accept the the doctrine of Karma as the cause and effect but not agree with the theory that reincarnation or cycle of births on this planet earth i.e repeat births and deaths of souls in our physical world till attaining the state of not being born again or Moksha is the the result of Karma done by souls. What I believe is that this is our only birth in the physical world and our souls the real persons enter the other dimension or metaphorically spiritual realm when we die and leave this physical plane.
I also believe in the existence of soul and spiritual beings as I have my personal encounters twice with a very brilliant white light being in human form during mid night in my home, first occasion as a face to face personal encounter and the other occasion was when I just saw the light being moving out of my room . I can't just deny my own experience!
1)a- What do you mean by "Minor sprits"? b- Does this mean many people (if not most) have actually never had any past lives?
2)Well your story is wrong becuse if everyone could remember their past lives. The widow would recognize who you are straight away.
3)So bascially nothing of the self is left? If your sprit, consciouness n memories are all gone whats left? By the sound of it absolutely nothing is left of the old person by the time "you" are born again.
Dear Everin!
I am not, if you read my note carefully.
You reap what you sow is what we are told since childhood and it is a concept at the heart of the oldest religion of the world.
We are even told that it is our actions which will decide our final resting place in either heaven or hell and not just by the belief on a man who proclaims himself to be a Prophet.
Sincerely!
Arya n prithvi, I can see all yr writings are based on Hinduism, a very old religion. Go n read the many good books written by people's real experiences on reincarnation n karma. Even in the internet, there are many materials n picture proofs on these subjects. As for Karma is simply the Law of Cause and Effect. A famous scientist had said every action there is a reaction. Even the Bible said u reap what u sow. Reincarnation n Karma are central to the teachings in Hinduism, Buddhism, Johrei n Mahikari. I think u 2 are trying to twist the teachings in Hinduism by declaring these doctrines are not true, as if u are smarter than all the religions mentioned above, including the Bible..Just as when u cannot see the spirits in the haunted houses, that does not mean there are no such thing as spirits.
Dear Arya!
Karma is definitely not a reality but an idea, a belief system where in people are encouraged to correct their actions and especially their actions against others. I see a lot of people even take the meaning of “Karma” as “Destiny” whereas it is our “Actions”.
I would see it as a noble idea to encourage peace and love between relations, fellow beings, animals and even plants.
It is up to us whether we decide to focus on our Karma, be good to others and then be closer to GOD or slay others, hate others and accept the God as the sole property of one man.
Karma and reincarnation are just lies fabricated by some unknown Hindu philosophers or seers in the Indian subcontinent in ancient time particularly in post Vedic period.
The doctrine of Karma has no proof and is only an invention interjected in Hinduism that gained acceptance as Hindu philosophy in the post Vedic period just like stories of Purans, Ramayan, Mahabharat, etc.
This is the reply to "enlighted"….. 1) I have said n u had ignored that God, THE HOLY SPIRIT, had created trillions n trillions of minor spirits.
2) If everyone can remember his past lives, there will big chaos in this world. Eg., u see a certain widow n claim her to be yr wife in a previous life. U wanted to calim all her properties. Surely she n her children ( also yrs ) will not accept yr story n claim. They will have big fights with u. This will not work according to the Divine Plan. U are on this earth to pay for yr karmic debt. If u learn lessons to be good or bad, u will be duly rewarded with a good rebirth or a bad one.
3) when u die, yr spirit with yr consciousness n memories will slowly fading away to be come a renewed spirit to receive training in the spirit world n later to be reincarnated in a good family to enjoy, or a bad n poor family to suffer n pay yr karmic debts. That is the great balancing act of GOD. If not, all the people n souls will say GOD is very unfair n evil. U will not receive what u do not deserve be it good or bad
Go n study Buddhism, Johrei,n Mahikari thet can give u better answers to yr queries.
Prometheus456 & Nastka:
Can you please enlighten us with your knowledge of the Ancient Hindu scriptures which asks its followers to slay or kill all non-idol worshippers or the Old Testaments which asks its followers to kills all idol worshippers?
Just to help, I am sending you just a few from the Holy Quran!
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PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YE FIND THEM, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! FIGHT THOSE OF THE DISBELIEVERS who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
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PICKTHAL: AND SLAY THEM WHEREVER YE FIND THEM, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. SUCH IS THE REWARD OF DISBELIEVERS.
I respect your criticism and all but, if you seriously think Islam is the only vile religion, then I'm sure you never touched any religious text in your life other than the Qur'an. If you did, you'd have at least know that most of what you hate about Islam comes from the Sacred Hindu Texts & Old Testament.
Elightened what bullshit ???? U are like a typical muslim . when u cannot give any logical explaination, u started to talk rubbish n beat around the bushes. Do not reply my post any more. I will ignore such a brainless fool. Go n fall into a coma n let yr soul gets up n walks away as u have said.?????
Do you know even know what enlightenment actually is? What new knowledge, i have logical refuted all your arguments for soul and reincarnation. And all i hear from you now is insults and emotion. You sound very much like a muslim, or any dogmatic person who has had their belief system crushed. Okay replace walk with float and any way thats what you belive, damage your body no soul comes in as back-up but yet when the whole body is damaged enough it floats away. WHAT STINKING RUBBISH IS THAT ????????
I respect your criticism and all but, if you seriously think Islam is the only vile religion, then I'm sure you never touched any religious text in your life other than the Qur'an. If you did, you'd have at least know that most of what you hate about Islam comes from the Old Testament.
Enlightened what nonsense ???? More n more bullshit from u. U are brain-dead n cannot accept new knowledge n begun to talk like a fool with yr rotten English. U don’t believe in spirit but talk of soul just gets up n walks away. What stinking rubbish is that ????????
Who said there is why? Thats the reality, nothing supernatural about people born blind, crippled and so on. "why God so unfair" Becuse he does not exist thats why. You not find answers in (religious) buddhism. Like the christians they have ignorned what budda actually was trying to say and instead of trying to seek true enlightenment they just added nonesense and dogma and did the exact opposite of what budda taught.
Spirits , Karma n Reincarnation are very intricate n complex matters only God can handle. For us lay persons, we can only grab some basic, superficial knowledge. That is why Jesus would not tell his disciples too much coz they, being simpletons, like u, could understand much. Why some people were born blind, cripple, or mentally deformed. What sins had they committed to be in such dire situations. Why God is so unfair???? Science cannot answer. Go n read more n more books on Buddhism, Johrei n Mahikari. You can find the answers there.
But what if i killed someone ten lives ago and lets say i have paid my debt back i have actually got off scott free. Why becuse thanks to the memory being wiped at the end of every life, i cannot actually remember being punished and cannot learn from my mistake. If you put your hand in a fire you get burnt and feel the pain and thus you do not do it again. But if you forget the pain you will just do it again and again and learn nothing.
Zakir Naik is an ignoramous. He has said many stupid things just to make Islam sound logical when it is not, like noor in Arabic means reflected light. Any Arab would laugh at that but no one corrects him becuase it is a convenient lie that hides the errors of the Quran.
Plants don’t have the nervous system and the stem brain to feel pain. They are alive in the same way that your hair and nail are alive.
Gandhi was a Jianist. He practiced non-violennce and was a pacifist. The point is that pacifism is not a good practice when the world is filled with bullies and vionent people.
Agree!
Gandhi- Idealist only when it came to non-Muslims
Gandhi- fooled Hindu masses
Gandhi-moralized violence of muslims on Hindus and sikhs.
Gandhi-slept naked with young girls
Gandhi-immortal and an important examples for Hindus about how they were fooled and not to repeat such mistake. Vulnerable to Muslims that is why he suffered from stockholm syndrome!
No sly, duratma is actually right. Mr sina is giving very wrong fact that gandhi was a good Hindu whereas the fact was that he was a good Islamist. Mother teresa was a good xian since she spread christianity which also like Islam and unlike dharmic religions says that it is the only way to reach the god.
Zakir Naik said that killing plants is also as heinous as animals but we must realize what is called 10% law in ecology. To build 1kg of biomass a herbivore will eat 10 kg of plants material. Therefore deriving food from plant is still less cruel than that from the animals.
Zakir Naik said that killing plants is also as heinous as animals but we must realize what is called 10% law in ecology. To build 1kg of biomass a herbivore will eat 10 kg of plants material. Therefore deriving food from plant is still less cruel than that from the animals.
He also said that we god has given us canine then surely he wants us to have meat also but he "missed" that we also have vestigial organ and he is doctor actually a spin doctor.
He also said that we don't eat herbivores then there will be over population of them again "missing" that there is something carrying capacity and population of such K selected animals stays around it. There is limit to the population size of big animals as the amount of biomass is limited.
He also said the Hindus says that every living being is his/her brother and sister then why their immune system is killing them?
Hinduism does not say that not kill those who want to kill you and there are gut flora in humans. And good/harmless bacteria getting killed can be seen as attaining moksha.
"He was just an ignorant man when it came to Islam"
I think gandhi suffered from stockholm syndrome vis-a-vis Islam. His continued Pro Islamist actions [http://fame-and-shame.blogspot.com/2006/12/gandhi-moulana-of-muslim-appeasement.html http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/1345.html%5D
cannot be forgiven by saying that he was ignorant, he was killed, although very late, because of this.
I am a Indian Hindu.
>It is simply bad karma to be born as his followers, just it is very bad to be born as the soldiers of Hilters, Napoleon n other bloody dictators, or to be their victims.
Let say u commited a murder n escaped the punishment of the laws in this life. But u cannot escaped the punishment of God's Law of karma. When u die, yr memory of yr history is wiped out. Let say yr spirt is born again as an American soldier n was sent to fight in Afghanistan. The army vehicle u are travelling in hit a road side bomb n u are blown to pieces n die as a victim of murder by DIvine arrangement. So u reap what u sow.
Enlightened what ???., U cannot glean the truth from the simple messages of Jesus coz u lack the background knowledge of the Laws of Reincarnation n Karma. Go n read the many good books written on this subject. U can even find some materials on the internet. Science cannot even explain the phenomena found in haunted houses. U said “DEAD MEANS DEAD” then why are dead men’s spirits hanging around in haunted house. Science cannot explain why some people are born stupid, Why must there be a God, the Holy spirit Who created trillion n trillions of minor spirits, Why the earth must go round the sun n turn round by itself to sustain our lives n why the sun must burn itself to death for us. Too many whys science simply cannot answer. When u fall into a coma, yr God-given spirit simply floats away. If it does not come back into yr body, u are as good as dead. Go n study more on spiritual knowledge.
I think anyone can understand karma reap what you sow. Even if you work and harvest your crop, you may not get to see the fruits of your labour but others will. Likewise muhammed lived like a god in his lifetime, but look how much misery and death this beasts evil teachings have bought to his brain dead followers.
The message of jesus is to find the truth becuse only the truth will set us free, not believe in nonsense like reincarnation. Tell me sinse you are the expert on reincrarnation what survises our death, becuse i cannot remember any previous lives at all. The punisment you get from sins may not be personally but future genarations may have to pay the price for your mistakes, becuse DEAD MEANS DEAD. Does reincarnation agree with science? More people are born than die so where all the new souls coming from?
Enlightened what ???, I think u know nuts about reincarnation n Karma. I can see that yr explaination is all mambo jumbo, all the twisting, turning n jumping here n there.
Enlightened ??? , What mambo jumbo ( twisting n turning ) u are talking???. U are trying to confused the simple messages of JESUS, when u cannot explain the truth. For yr n all the Christians’ info. At the meeting of the 2nd Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D., centuries after JESUS’ death, the Pope n other leaders of the Christian Church decided that is was not good for the people to know about Reincarnation n Karma n that these concepts should not be preached in the teachings of the Church ( Head and Cranston, 1967 ). These leaders of the Church certainly had their own agenda. They should be thinking ( I believe ) “ How come we people are rich n powerful n be reincarnated into beggars JUST because we have committed some stupid sins.” The Church had written or amended only those stories it wanted u to believe. U believe the world was created in 7 days, Noh’s Ark, we all came from one parents, Adam n Eve, n other incredible tales that did not agree with science. We are not that stupid any more. “ THY will will be done on earth as in heaven ???”
Actually this is the verse 9:3 Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. However saying that jesus spoke of karma in john 4: 34.
Now on reincarnation is it not true we are reborn in every moment of our lives? Is not the father born again in the son, or the teacher in the student? This is what how jesus understood reincarnation not in the sense hindus or buddist believe in it. Read this verse from gospel of thomas "When you see your own likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, & which neither die or become manifest, how much will you have to bear!" Thomas: 84
REINCARNATION AND KARMA in the Bible. John 9: 1-2. As Jesus was walking along he saw a man who had been born blind. His disciples asked Him," Rabbi who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind ?" He answered " How can a new born baby be sinful, unless he had lived before.? "
SPIRITUALISM IN THE BIBLE. John 3:3. ( Good News Bible ) One one occasion Jesus remarked " I am telling you the truth : no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he was born again ( as a spirit )"
Now with advance knowledge in spiritualism, we know when we die we will born again as spirits. Then only we can see the kingdom of God.
Agracean, John K n other Christians please give me a satisfactory explanations on the above quotations from John, which is part n parcel of the Bible.
Well said, Sanada.
Thank You.
Dude, I respect smart people not smart *ss, ok? I hope that's clear enough.
I wonder why my post is missing here? Don't tell me…
Sigh, why are so many people these days love to think and act like this as if they are so smart? Oh, I forgot that every human being has narcissism but on limited level unlike Muhammad.
Dude Dan, a lesson for you, stalker is someone who follows another with excessive admiration or dislike. It only focuses on one person and it follows every path the target takes. First, you had to have something so important, at least to me, to be a target, which obviously you didn’t have. Second, I had to respond only to you and ignored other posters, which I didn’t do. Third, I had to respond every single post of yours which of course I didn’t do. I only responded what needed to be responded and when I saw it. If I didn’t saw it then I didn’t do anything and you could see that yourself, I mean your own posts if you even bother to think it logically which you didn’t.
To be more accurate, you can “call” my method as a game named “hitting the mole”. That’s more like it, don’t you think? It’s not my fault if you become one of those moles, you’d made it yourself.
You are really not so bright, aren’t you? I mean, you can’t see whether I am a dude or not while my own posts have an indication of that, let alone my username.
There are also many sites like this growing day after day and people are waking up especially non muslims and they gradually know the danger of Islam to their own nations (ex. American or European). Sure, muslims are mostly out of reach because of their poverty but non muslims are important too. And remember, the loudest critique comes from ex muslims themselves.
Your “off” accusation is not really an “off” (and your reason is not an explanation), that’s only your limited thinking and I have a tendency to miss these kind of things, I mean obvious, falsely claimed thingy. Try to understand the opponent sometimes, Mr. “Ih Masa Sih”.
PS: I am chilled out, I am just stating fact, dude.
Sanada:
chill Sanada, okay?
Everybody have their thoughts to share. There’s nothing new about it.
Sigh, this is what exactly will happen when dealing with one perspective. That is of course possible, nothing in this world is impossible when dealing with human. If everyone thinks like you then we human race will achieve nothing. Dude, don't get so big headed, ok? It's just happen that I read some silly comments and wanted to straight it up since correcting some mistake is normal thing to do, not to mention stupid comment in indo version of yours. Seriously, you are not that bright but you act like you are.
Though you are not going to reply i will still respond to this comment.
1) I started with just a few comments about parts of why attack only islam i disagreed with.
2)It was the christians (first john k and then you) that replied to me so i did not spam anything.
You are painfully incorrect when you allege that Hinduism breeds Intolerance and Deception; get your facts correct.
However you are right when you say that if there is a forum for learning “ALL” and the TRUTH about Islam then the debate should surround around the topics/attributes/discussions related to Islam only and not any other religion.
We have an evil looming large on the heads of our children; please do not digress from this main issue, the real threat.
you're correct,hindus are not the ONLY ones that attack christianity but ONLY HINDUS will continue to spam articles with anti-christian comments that are directed at Islam.Any one who has visited FFI & Islam-Watch know that this is true.You can't fool us.Now I (marcionite) will stop responding to your comments.
This is the kind of intolerance & deception that hinduism breeds.Any one who has seen continuum's arguments will recognize that yours is the same.
Now tell me…is this an anti-Islamic or or anti-christian site?You can attack christianity all you want but this site is not it.
"But note even if i start attacking hinduism i will not stop attacking christianity unless you can logically rebut my aruguments"
But note even if i start attacking christianity i will not stop attacking hinduism unless you can logically rebut my arguments
Sanada:
Dude; Duddette, whatever you are. Chill with the badgeries. Aren’t my posts not clear enough? Okay, i repeat. Ali is a good thinker, but i think his cause of eradicating Islam is daunting, if not impossible. About the latter, i would say that’s the “off” part. In which Ali might refer to as political correctness at my end.
PS: you’re here, there, everywhere when i’m around. You’re like the South Beach Stalker or something.
I didn't say you are muslim, I said you are imitating their behavior in this particular post, whether you realize or not doesn't matter. Get the picture, fact is fact.
Dude, do read my post again. I was talking about your "off" part which is similar to muslim's behavior when making excuses. As for muslim, they are not reasonable, but emotional.
Please don’t fight no religion is perfect, most of Hindu see Christ as God, mostly they donot like Muslim only
Please don’t fight no religion is perfect, most of Hindu see Christ as God
Again i am not hindu and i don`t give a damn if you attack hinduism and i will even attack it. If you give me good reasons to. But note even if i start attacking hinduism, i will not stop attacking christianity unless you can logically rebut my aruguments.
First i am not a hindu. 2 not just hindus but many other others attack christianity. And finally if you post some links from vedas proving it teaches rape, plunder, human sacrifice and so on. Then i will start to attack hinduism as well becuse you see i can not accept any delusion.
Sanada: i already plead a no-contest to Sina. For me, It’s like fighting a tank with a 3-dollar pistol. Not a follower, an admirer then (happy?). As for be reasonable? Am i not being reasonable? Furthermore, These are religious debates Sanada. One’s sense of reason may differ to others. Simple as that.
Try to imitate muslim? What? I said “only god knows” in arabic once, Suddenly i’m a muslim? No Sanada. I’m stupid but not that shallow.
You only need to check Islam-Watch to see how hindus like wagamama,continuum,archpagan,vbv & others will unnecessarily attack christianity on articles that expose Islam.Christians there never attack back because they ignorant of hindus & their faith.But I have a whole arsenal to fire back at any hindu any you (continuum) know this by know,so you're hiding under a different name.
But I have a whole arsenal to fire back at any hindu and you (continuum) know this by know,so you're hiding under a different name.
You only need to check Islam-Watch to see how hindus like wagamama,continuum,archpagan,vbv & others will unnecessarily attack christianity on articles that expose Islam.Christians there never attack back because they ignorant of hindus & their faith.But I have a whole arsenal to fire back at any hindu any you (continuum) know this by know,so you're hiding under a different name.
Also check last year's articles on FFI too see how hindus will attack the christian faith non-stop for no reason other than sheer hatred.
Bullshit, you're continuum,if you're not then you're still a hindu.Only hindus relentlessly attack christianity on an anti-Islamic site.No one else does this except hindus.
You've become ashamed of the Vedas because you know it's indefensible,advocating genocide,infanticide,plunder,rape,slavery,racism,human sacrifice,etc.
I repeat…NO ONE ELSE EXCEPT A HINDU WILL RELENTLESSLY ATTACK CHRISTIANITY ON AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE.Not even muslims do this.
At one point, I make an IDOL, assign it some super natural properties and qualities which I would like to see in GOD or visualize in GOD and then I start meditating and ask my fellow men to meditate and see GOD in that form. I am content and do not ridicule or even hate anyone else’s faith or doctrine. I respect all belief system and welcome all to my home.
At another point, a person walks up in the middle and proclaims that he is the one chosen as the representative of GOD, GOD only talks to him and you all should follow him and his commands else GOD would be angry with you. The one who starts following him because of any a,b,c reason like the greed of wealth, sex with women are rewarded. The ones who do not accept this person as the sole representative of GOD are beheaded and their children and women taken as slaves.
Now tell me and do not go deeper and into the hollow claims of a text being beautiful (beautiful because you are not able to understand a single word), WHICH IS A MORE NOBLE, REFINED AND MORAL MANNER OF WORSHIP?
Tell me, which one is worse IDOLATORY or BIGOTRY?
Prithvi
Dear Marcionite:
You are right but let me ask all who have reservations about IDOL Worship.
What is so wrong with IDOL worship?
I am a HINDU and I am told since childhood to respect the air we breathe, the planet we stand on, the sun, the moon, the animals, the rivers, the trees, the mountains, the children, our elders SO WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT?
HINDUISM is the only religion which has taught the world the true meaning of TOLERANCE and UNIVERSAL ACCEPTABILITY.
Come to INDIA and you will not just find HINDUS and MUSLIMS or CHRISTIANS, you will find the JAINS, the BUDHISTS, the JEWS, the ZORATRAINS all take refuge within this great land.
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Do post the "off" part and don't imitate muslim when discussing something. Be clear, be specific, and be reasonable, not mere excuse. No one here is called follower you know, don't get trap with religious term.
Not every religion can do that if it's successfully destroyed ideologically. Luther was reforming Christianity back to the origin and if you put it into Islam, that will be big problem.
God is holding a gun to my head he dragged me in to the world (without asking my permission) and gave me two "choices" believe in me and have eternal life or go to the pit of hell with satan and his demons.
3) Then i go back to my original question. What is left of your faith?
God is generally defined as infinite, and i put the question straight to you do you believe God is infinite? Existence by definition is finite, you exist becuse you present an appearance of some kind and bounded by that which you are not. When the video talks about infinite he means not a mathmatical infinite or something like that he means unbounded in other words the infinite is everwhere and every when.
1) Why do you say something like that? Who is holding a gun to your head?
2) This has strayed too far from the original thought.
3) You are not considering the antiquity of the source. This is precisely my point. There are no originals to compare. You cannot make assumptions about the integrity of transmission and preservation.
Hey Continuum…I mean enlightened25,did you know that idol worship is a sin in Hinduism too?
Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19No one has grasped him above, or across, or in the middle.There is no image of him whose name is Great Glory.
Did you know that devoting your life to science is also a sin?
Yajur Veda 40:12 To blinding darkness go the men who make a cult of Nescience.The devotees of Science enter darkness that is darker still.
John,
Was my words from Mormon books?
Well i didn’t know that. I’m just saying those words.
And me? “A Knowledgeble Physics Enthusiast? Haha. (well, maybe a little).
Actually, i’m a Freethinker with tendencies towards Protestanism. I’m neither against Islam nor do i advocate it. In fact, a lot of Ali Sina’s works correlate to me directly. I must agree that some doctrines in Islam is (to put in subtle words) strange and quite unjust. But i think the Sina’s ways are a bit off. But hey, who am i to judge? Beyond all prejudice, i think the guy’s school of thoughts is amazing.
Consider me a follower, a reluctant follower. 🙂
First of all their is no such thing as "scientific truth" that is a fallacy common not only in the theists or but also the atheists. And also i would say the atheist who bases his atheism in science is not really an atheist or at best their atheism is highly limited. And second of all do you have any rebuttal to the proof offered in that video?
1) So yes i am given a "choice" like the mafia used to give business owners a "choice" between death or paying "protection" money. But no lets not blame the mafia boss only the owner has him self to blame he knew the consequences. It seems jesus is not so differentt from a mafia boss.
2) How so, give me one verse in the bible where it says clearly idol worship is not punishable.
3) If the historians, scholars and translators have done their job properly (i.e preserved the originals and translated them to the best of their ablity) their should be very little difference beetween the current text and the originals.
"A thousand years from then, the ideas of Islam will surely emerge, provided future people reading history books. It's intangible."
This point is made in the Book of Mormon too.
I'll take Einstein over your video. He said these are things that will likely never be able to be proved or disproved by science. Dr. Sina did admit in one comment, however, that science may prove the necessity of the existence of God as first cause observer requisite to the creation of the universe.
It's a different field. He is a professional physicist. I imagine you are a knowledgeable physics enthusiast, but not in the same class as Dawkins. Likewise, who knows how much Dawkins is interested in or knows about Islam. We all have our specialties in which we have more knowledge than those who are outside of our specialties. We can try to be Renaissance men and women, but time in this life is limited, and our ability to advance deeply on many fronts is limited.
1) It's still your personal choice. If there are consequences to your choice, only you are responsible for your choice.
2) Your comment is not related to the discussion.
3) I'm not talking about translation. I'm talking about comparing the current text with the original text.
Mother Nature is a dictatorship.If you break any of her laws,she will punish you immediately.She does not answer prayers & requests for forgiveness.She's so ruthless that occassionally she sends drought,tornadoes,earthquakes,tsumanis,etc. that wipes out all life forms in its path.
God has made it a great sin to kill a life, be it animal or human. what more a human baby. Punishment will definately be fall on the killer, by the female child spirit in any form, in the form of cancer, or other diseases, or in a car accident. This, simply, is the Law of Cause and Effect. God will decide where she will be born again and NOT man when the spirit had taken her revenge and finish her term as a spirit.
Not only God cannot be proven but also disproven. As for allah he is either less than everthing (finite)in which case he is limited by that which he is not and all muslims agree allah is not limited in any way. Or allah is infinite in which case he cannot be a thing or anything that exists because if allah existed he would not be infinite. So yes allah is fake and disproven as well as any other god(s).
God cannot be proven too and that's the main point, dude. One thing for certain, god of islam is fake and has a lot of human defects. What you call nowadays god is not a "god" in real sense.
Actually we (the atheists) can disprove God`s existence see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH8lMAhHUhQ&fe…
Mr Sina,
These are just thoughts of mine.
Maybe we are not suppose to fight Islam.
For example you can, in a sense fight Islam. But what’s there to fight?
The Laws? The Sharia? Certainly not the people. We’ve had enough of wars and bloodbath as it is more than we dare to remember.
Suppose you can crush all muslims in this world then no more muslim. Then what?
A thousand years from then, the ideas of Islam will surely emerge, provided future people reading history books. It’s intangible.
Maybe Islam and other religions for that matter are not “fightable”.
I remember the European Medieval Times where the leaders were feudalists, the church clerics were absolutists and the commoners were simply illiterate.
But then someone came along, his name was Martin Luther.
He confronted his leaders, he confronted the church policies that were illogical and absurd. He was ostracized, death threats were made to him and so on.
But he was never out to fight Christianity. Was he successful in his quest? Just look at where we stand right now.
Democracy and freedom. And most of all Christians thrive. More than it was earlier.
Read Martin Luther, Mr. Sina. He was a brave man like you. And he changed the face of the world forever. Without fighting theism.
Now it’s up to you whether you want to be subtle or you want to be harsh. But think, being harsh on Islam at its core will get you nowhere if you want to change it. But is changing the face of Islam possible?
You are right. We can’t prove God’s inexistance. That is not the only thing we can’t prove. We can’t prove also the inexistance of the abominable snow man, Santa Clause, the unicorn, the elves, and many, many other things.
Mr. Sina,
That might be the case dude.
I’m just saying that, unlike you, Dawkins doesn’t exactly “speak” the his adversaries’ language. So, he’s kinda difficult to accept.
While you, you’re something else. You fight your adversaries with the bullets that they manufactured. Hats off to you Mr. Sina…
Only one problem with both you and Dawkins, none of you can actually prove God’s inexistence.
Peace and Respect…
Richard Dawkins has no reason to be embarassed. Dawkins has a scientific mind. Even if he is proven wrong, he will be only glad to acknowlege it. That is how scientists think.
I think Dawkins is a great thinker of our time. In some points I see things differently and if he honored me to debate with him in writing, probably he too will agree with me on most issues. Or “contrarywise,” he may prove me wrong and I will be glad to acknowlege my error.
I am not English, so if you think I do not know the language properly then I am not supposed to.
Finally to sum up, you do not need to be very smart or intelligent to understand what I asked Mr. Ali Sina, a child can do it.
Roger Federer is the Greatest would ONLY mean that Roger Federer is the greatest TENNIS player.
Tiger Woods is the Greatest would ONLY mean that Tiger Woods is the greatest GOLF player.
Sachin Tendulkar is the Greatest would ONLY mean that Sachin Tendulkar is the greatest BATSMEN in CRICKET.
Allah is the Greatest would ONLY mean that Allah is the greatest GOD.
•Allah is the greatest (bigger than others) does not mean Allah is the Almighty (having very great power).
•Allah is the greatest and Allah is greater over all things are 2 different statements so do not confuse yourself.
Sincerely,
PRITHVI
However, I can understand your misery; after all if you start questioning the teachings in the Holy Quran you cease to be a Muslim.
Answer me then; is your religion so weak enough on its foundations that it cannot take away a few questions thrown at it?
The fact is, YES, it is, or else you do not need the sword to increase the number of your followers.
ANOTHER SUGGESTION: why don’t you try and go deeper into your family tree and try and find out the reasons and circumstances in which your fore fathers converted to Islam, this exercise will give you an idea of how this God of Muhammad is so hell-bent on increasing his followers that he gives them just 2 options – either follow me or die?
This must have been the case in case of your fore fathers also; I would hope that you do not bump into a horrifying story involving your grandparents.
When you talk about Arabic, I have a question, why is it forbidden to translate the Holy Quran in any other language and also forbidden to take the Holy Quran with you when you travel?
Try and read between the lines, I am sure as of you would not but in time you will.
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Kat:
You are new to the forum and it seems on a mission to prove all the findings and facts incorrect.
This is exactly how anyone would react when someone is shown the other side of the story or picture and especially when the other side is only full of misery, deceit, rape of war widows, enslavement of children, brutal beheadings of unarmed captives of war and robbery.
A SUGGESTION: why don’t you first of all read the articles carefully, corroborate the findings or in your words allegations by going through them in the Holy Quran and the Hadith and then come back refuting those allegations. This exercise would be good for you and would add a lot of essence to your comments.
I can feel you are distressed but appreciate your guts and courage when you say that you are laughing even during these times of distress. You truly must be a great person from inside; it is just that you like billions others just do not apply your mind when it come to your belief system.
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Unpararelled writings Mr. Sina…
If writings are arsenals, then you with be an infantry that strike hard into the enemy. Single-handedly…
Richard Dawkins will be so embarrased when being compared to you.
Salute…
The word Karma – means *action*. There are 2 types of karma – good & bad. The corresponding sanskrit words are sukarma & dushkarma.
Well, my ancestors devised this fantasy to provide some quasi-logical solution to the questions of innocents suffering. [ BTW, I blame the brahmins of centuries-ago for abusing the system & gaming it to their advantage.] Compared to Xianity & Islam – it's probably as good a fantasy story. Xianity said all humans are paying for a *sin* – and Islam says all humans are being *tested* by Allah SWT.
Ah, the innovative thinking of our ancestors.
The mask wearing *fanatics* are Jains & Jainism truly believes that it's evil to hurt even insects. Imagine a jain living in Pakistan or any other Islamic country – I'm already ROFL-ing.
Their supreme guru Mahavira & the different theerthankars have espoused harming nature too. You could call them the green/environment fanatics of the earlier milleniums. While Buddhists were busing developing urban centers like Takshila, etc – the Jains realized the dangers this would pose to humans. In a way, the Buddhists are the harmful capitalists while the Jains are the foolish environmentalists. That's just my opinion (based on the tiny bit of knowledge I have).
MN
read Quran Sura 9.5 (http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp)
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Fa-itha insalakha al-ashhuru alhurumufaoqtuloo almushrikeena haythu wajadtumoohum wakhuthoohumwaohsuroohum waoqAAudoo lahum kulla marsadinfa-in taboo waaqamoo alssalatawaatawoo alzzakata fakhalloo sabeelahum innaAllaha ghafoorun raheemun
U can define God as supreme energy that acts with intelligence. I wonder if u believe this. MO n his believers were created to cleanse the sins of the colonial powers n others. Almost all the Muslim countries were given oil as “fire power” . The misguided are scarified as pawns to do the cleansing.
If you are defining God as the laws of the universe, I agree with you. The god I reject is a god a personal god.
Ying and Yang are complimentary forces. Neither is good or bad. You can’t say Jesus and Muhammad are complementariy froces. Muhammad was a very evil man. He was a sick individual, in no way a positive force.
I use to have this romanticized idea of karma & reincarnation too,until I found out that it's used to justify poverty,slavery & all kinds of despicable acts.Sudras for eg. deserve to live in squalid conditions & be discriminated against because of their bad deeds in a previous life.But the 'good news' is that if they follow their scriptures,perform proper rituals,give gifts to the gods then they'll be eligible for a better life in their next incarnation by being born in a higher caste & wealthier family.
KARMA = SIN
It's pure & simple,karma is sin.The mere fact that someone is born is 'proof' that he/she has accumulated karma & has not attained moksha.Being born in upper castes means you've acquired less karma.This is why female infanticide is so rampant in India & Nepal because by killing the new born female,the parent is freeing her from accumulating in karma & she might be born as a wealthy & healthy male in the next life.
Then you have fanatics who walk around with masks & won't even squash a bug or fly because they fear that uncle louie might have incarnated as a fly or other insect.
U can’t see God nor can u see his actions. U can see the tornadoes but can u see the power that generate them ? Nor can u see the power that keep the earth turn round itself n going round the sun. U can see spirits in action in haunted houses but u never want to believe them. What more can I say ? I believe the the yin n yang forces always interact with one another. Jesus belonged to the yang n it attracted the yin forces of MO. Just like magnetic forces ?
Dear Ali Sina, Please don't be too lazy to read up the many books written on the evidence on REINCARNATION. Everthing goes in cycles so does your spirit, which can live on n on for thousands of years. Why so many souls had to born in Africa or other poor countries to suffer hunger, pain, torture, rape n other cruelties. Do u have a logical explaination ?
1) The evidence (whether phyical or otherwise) is absolutely none (unless you can provide some.) How is it a personal choice becuse if i chose wrong i go to hell for eternity.
2)I have read it and no where does it say no wait i change my mind people can worship as many gods as they like.
3)I suppose that would be the people that translated it,(also note the muslims sometimes say but you have to read the koran in arabic, i don`t see any reason why the verses would sound any better in arabic than english. (If anything it probably sounds worse.) So why would it be different with the bible? Futhermore why not yahweh (in his omnipotence) reveal it in a language everyone could understand.
Dear Dr Sina,
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Another article – this time from FFI. "http :// www . faithfreedom . org / articles/political-islam/vote-bank-politics-the-art-of-muslim-manipulation-in-india/" (Please remove the spaces)
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Most of the reasons for the reasons why my nation & my brethren are part a third-world filthy country is because of that swine gandhi. Why do you exemplify him as a good hindu? The reason why political parties in my nation bend over backwards attending iftar parties & doing namaz is because of that weasle named gandhi. Why do you seek to glorify him? Have you observed such a trend due to Mother Teresa or Dalai Lama? Do the missionaries of Mother Teresa go around asking nuns to become available for rape by Islamic lunatics? Did Dalai Lama advise buddhists to bend over so they islamic rapists & indulge in their HALAL activities?
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MN
You are too easily entertained by a superficial religion.
1) Physical evidence? That is a personal decision.
2) Intellectual laziness is no excuse. Read the text and form your own judgement.
3) And who decides whether this verse read the same in the original text?
Stick around long enough and you too will become one of us. Most of the people hear, including me were Muslims. We found the truth from the Quran. I read the Quran, but I can bet you haven’t.
It is funny that you accuse of of spreading superstition.
Is there any evidence that karma is truth? Just think of Muhammad. This man was without a doubt one of the most evil men ever lived. Yet he became the king in his own time and is worhipped by a fifth of humanity. Others (with the exceptio of us) also believe he was a great leader. Think of Khomeini and the thugs who 32 years ago came to power in Iran and ruthlessly killed so many innocent people. Did karma work for them?
Now you can say in the next reincarnation they will pay. Do you have any evidence that there is going to be a next reincarnation?
allah is the greatest! or allah is the almighty!
do you speak english?
great: distinguished, excellent, welll,
allah is greater over all things.
also the quran is in arabic so if you are going to try and mess with the words, at least do it in the language it is written in.
i am laughing.
these are bogus refutes.
please give me something harder.
really?
I bet that almost every person that follows you,
has NEVER read the quran.
I am almost for sure, you have never read the quran.
and reading random verses does not count.
really, ali, you humor me
and the people that follow you too.
i like how you can move people by pure suspiciousness.
no truth at all.
and if you were ever muslim, you would know that some hadith are true and some are not.
hello they were written by men?
just like you.
but you are completely false.
the only truth is the quran,
and this is why you can never quote it with mistakes
but can always quote hadith with mistakes.
PLEASE QUOTE THE QURAN WITH A MISTAKE
and i will listen to you.
this is my promise.
but it will never happen,
every true muslim knows that.
you are attracting the people who have no knowledge.
so dont flatter your self.
you attract the weak.
p.s. the inheritance thing has been proven multiple times, you might as well take that off your sight.
bye bye now.
'Ali Sina had the courtesy to reply once…' you would make a perfect 'follower' 🙂
Only those religions that believe in the Laws of Karma and reincarnation have got part of the truth from God.__Of course, u need spiritual power to operate the 2 Laws, When Johrei n Mahikari, the 2 new-age religions talk about the spirit n the astral worlds, almost all the people think it is superstition. men can only have faith in God but cannot feel or see God. The 2 cannot really mix because one is a spiritual Being n the other is in the physical world. But man have their very own 2 spirits attached to him. 1 main n the other sub which is for sexual functions, Some mental patients were attached by some other outside spirits when their auras were weak.
@ Truth
Religion no is perfect all because people made by fool others to make only
1) And where is the evidence for these claims about resurrections and so on.
2) If thats the case then how do you know which interpretation is right, and some revelation it must be where eveybody doesn`t actually know what the so called holy book(s) really means.
3)This is not personal interpretation this is clearly mandated in the bible (Leviticus 24:16)just for one example.
1) The point of Christianity is that Christ overcame death for all of humanity. All of us will be resurrected. At the same time, all of us are considered children of God. In Christianity Jesus is our elder brother. He taught us to pray as he did, Our Father, which art in heaven.
2) It's not about humans knowing better than God. It's about humans as imperfect custodians of the text.
3) Your personal interpretation. You are entitled to it, unlike Islam.
No religion is perfect because all made by people only to make others fool.
Dear Ali Sina, if you please focus on your main motto then you will gain more respect from all non Muslims. No religion is perfect because all made by people only to made others fool.
I don’t think I favor Hinduism over Christianity. There are many absurdities in Hinduism. The goddess Kali, for example, is really an evil goddess. But go and tell that to Hindus and they will despise you.
Now of course I know how Kali was created. Kali is the goddess of time. Time give birth to everything and destroys everything. But time is mindless. If you give a personality to it, that person becomes very evil. It is silly that Hindus think time has to be worshipped as a deity. They have made so many poems for this Kali that is only sad.
One Hindu explained to me what Hinduism means. He said it is a collection of traditions, philosophes and thoughts of the Indian people. He compared it to Americanism. There are many good things in the philosophy of the Indians just as there are silly and absurd things. This is true for all traditions and cultures. Under this light I don’t criticize Hinduism for the same reason I don’t criticize the culture of any nation. There are good and bad things in all cultures.
However, I can tell you this. If there was no Old Testament, no letters of the apostles, especially those of Paul and no miracles in the Gospels, and if I had to choose a religion and become a follower, I would probably follow Jesus among all the prophets. I also have the same respect for Buddha.
I"m an agnsotic christian & I criticize many of the orthodox christian teachings too.I & other marcionite christians (whether they're agnostic or not) don't believe in eternal hell,judgement day,etc. Our Gospel differs slightly from the Bible,for one,there's no OT.
Now you have criticized christianity many times but you have only good things to say about hinduism.Even though their religion has countless absurdities in it & many of barbaric rituals.
Why do you never criticize hinduism ?
Dear Dr. Okadigwe,
You are a religious man. I am not. Your language and frame of thought are alien to me. I don’t speak that language anymore. I understand it because I was also a religious person once, but not anymore. I know what you say makes perfect sense to you, but it does not make sense to me. The reason is that we have different paradigms. You see things from the perspective of faith; I see things from the perspective of reason. These two don’t mix. Anyone who tells you otherwise has no understand of reason. Harmony of reason and faith is a deception and a lie.
You say Jesus is the son and at the same time the father. I know I can’t be my father so how could Jesus be his own father. This belief is not based on reason. It is based on faith. People believe in all sorts of absurdities. You know they are false beliefs because they are not part of your belief system. Muslims believe when they die their grave is either squeeze or enlarged based on whether they were good Muslims or not. This is silly, and no one has been able to demonstrate it. You don’t believe in that. Yet it is not physically impossible. An omnipotent God could do it. The belief that Jesus is his own father is impossible. Not even an omnipotent God can do it. Yet you have no problem believing. You believe everything which is written in your book. I believe in things only if they make sense. Then again when things make sense and can be demonstrated I don’t have to believe anymore because I know. Belief is accepting a postulate without evidence.
When someone called Jesus good he objected and said, the only good is the Father who is in the heaven. When he was being crucified he cried out to God and said Elohim, lema sabaqtani. My God why have you forgotten me? It is clear that Jesus and God are two different persons. At least Jesus knew it.
A lot of things that you believe are not what Jesus thought. They are what his zealot followers like Paul invented. As one commentator has mentioned here, Jesus never threatened people with hell. It was Paul who did it.
You talk about God’s original plan and how it all was screwed up when Adam and Eve ate an apple. This makes perfect sense to you. I can’t believe a sane God would punish all mankind and all animals and built a huge hell with scorching fire because one dude and his wife ate an apple. If this story were true, God would be a lunatic.
I see Jesus as a man and I see him as a superbly good man. He is an example to follow. To that extent Christianity makes sense to me. But when you talk about things that are faith based, you speak a language that I no longer speak. The dilemma liar, madman, or God is based on accepting everything in the New Testament as word of God. I don’t accept that. I think this book has been written by the deciples of Jesus who interjected a lot of their own fantasies in it.
I am sorry but I am not going to get into this discussion. I am not here to discuss religion. My goal is to help Muslims out of Islam not because Islam is false, but because it is evil.
Dear Ali,
Firstly, I must say your grasp of the Islamic threat and your knowledge of this evil is profound. Your insight and understanding of what is going on is mostly spot on. However there are some things you stated that are based on misleading information and thinking:
– I don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. I see him as a man…..
-The belief in hell and heaven is an ancient belief. No one knows who invented this lie……
-I can’t be a Christian because I can’t believe in a god that intervenes in human affairs. In fact if such a god existed, considering that the foundation of this world is based on injustice, he must be a cynical and cruel god, unworthy of worship.
– And yes I love animals more than I love some humans
-And yet this God has designed the world in such a way that the sustenance of many species should depend on destroying the lives of other creatures……..
I will answer your assertions below:
Now Jesus on various occasions stated that He is God – the Gospel is littered with His statements on this. Yes, He is the Son of God , but is God also.God makes the impossible – to us – possible. One of the names of Jesus is Emmanuel – which means God with us.
– Also Jesus on numerous occasions made it clear that there is Heaven and Hell, again the Gospel is littered with His references to this. Please read the Bible to ascertain I am not making this up. The existence of both is a major driving force behind the necessity of His ministry and salvation work. Now unless you say that Jesus is a liar – I notice you do not – how do you square this?
As to the charge of God being an unjust God, I challenge you to read the book of Genesis and see the original plan of God for mankind and ALL creation, including animals – and what went wrong. God has in fact planned a remedy for mankind and all creation – through the sacrifice of God Himself in the form of Emmanuel. God is in fact a God of Love – and Justice, hence the reckoning for those who refused willfully to repent and ask Emmanuel to become their Lord and Saviour –
For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him shall not PERISH, but shall have eternal life…… The Gospel of John Chapter three, verse sixteen.
Jesus has commanded that we should love one another no matter what – including our enemies and people who have done evil things – people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Bin Laden etc. However, again Justice will be done when the time of judgement comes – and they have not repented and asked Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour. This is because we have been tainted by sin and so cannot redeem ourselves or creation by our deeds ie religion or good acts. You only have to look at the world around you to see the evidence for this. Only Jesus, who NEVER sinned and is divine can do that by His becoming a sin offering in our place. Jesus never asked us to love animals more than some people.
Again, you have acknowledged that the teachings of Jesus are profound and full of wisdom – but more than that, they are the words of the Living God. I suggest that you read More than a Carpenter by Josh Mcdowell as well as the Gospels. If you have done so, I humbly suggest you read them again. Thank you once again for your extensive research into Islam. I leave you with this statement – is Jesus a liar, lunatic or God Himself? Food for thought…….
Every Blessing,
Dr Ike Okadigwe
1)There are many myths in history about virgin births and the like. And also in the gospel of matthew it says the saints were raised to life and went to Jerusalem and appeared to many people, it seems resurrection was common in 1st century palestine and also does it mean they were the sons of a god?
2)Again its either redundant becuse humans know better than god or its completely true in which case its a very immoral book.
3)The muslims say the same thing about the koran, of course when mo said kill the pagans whethever you find them he ment it literally. Same thing with the bible when it says have no god before me or you will be stoned (to death by the way not just tossing pebbles)it means it literally.
Good for you. Best wishes in your work and stay safe.
1) That's a big "if", and not easily proved or disproved.
2) No, it doesn't have to be completely true. That is an extremist position which does not take into consideration the difficulties of textual integrity and propagation. That's why people study, analyze, and evaluate alternative textual finds.
3) Your answer side-steps my statement. Knowing how to read the Bible does not mean people do not believe the 10 Commandments. Stoning is no longer practiced even in Judaism. By 70 AD even Judaic jurisprudence believed that capital punishment could only be imposed by God, not by man, which is compatible with Jesus answer to those who would stone the adultress – Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Who is without sin? God only. Judaic jurisprudence also suggests non-lethal interpretations as well, such as symbolically tossing pebbles to get people to leave you alone. Critics pick only these oldest of sources without consideration for the issues involved when dealing with ancient texts.
"There is plenty of room for Higher Biblical Criticism in Christianity without sacrificing one's faith." The question is how, if the gospels were fabricated then everthing from the virgin birth to the resurrection would be proven to be nonsense.
"One can still substantially recognize the Bible as a true text without having to accept every word as true." Either it is completely true (which it is not and is even admitted by jewish and christian scholars.) Or it is not in which case it is (at best) a redundant book.
"Christians understand that much of the Bible is a historical account rather than prescriptions from God." Do not the christians believe in the ten commandments? Can you tell me what is immoral about wanting to better yourself (number 10). Or why polytheists and atheists should be stoned to death for idolatry or for not resting on the sabbath. Jesus also said love your enemies and turn your check. Whats moral about that we should not love the terroists, or worse turn our check to them we should oppress them.
You have just answered your own statement. There is plenty of room for Higher Biblical Criticism in Christianity without sacrificing one's faith. Both Jewish and Christian scholars are reluctant to accept the Song of Solomon as canonical, and there is plenty of discussion on proto-Old Testament sources. One can still substantially recognize the Bible as a true text without having to accept every word as true. This is essentially a Quranic view rather than a Christian view. Christians understand that much of the Bible is a historical account rather than prescriptions from God. Bad behavior is often recorded without so much as a word of commentary as to whether the behavior was good or bad. And, as you say, there are extra-canonical works which have their authenticity debated.
And yet, you strongly believe that a *good* *Hindu* becomes so suicidal & stupid that he'll have his mother, wife, sister & daughter offered to Muslim barbarians for rape – as Gandhi did. If that's not double-standard, what else is?
Respected Sir Dr. Sina, there is no dearth of fanatic Hindus – and similarly there is no dearth for *good* *Hindus*. Please exercise at least a small part of your rationality to look at Gandhi's various speeches, writings – you don't have to go far – it's right there are freedombulwark. Why, then, do you seek to ignore all the truly good Hindus & instead choose the example of a spineless filthy evil-being as a representative for us Hindus? Sivapithecus & Ramapithecus might be better suited than that gandhi you mentioned.
MN
And the name-calling continues…
Invectives used till now,
Goon, Slave, F–k & the latest Muslim..
The problem is if you`re a christian you have to believe every word is true, if you don`t do that nothing of your faith would be left.
"To understand Jesus I put aside all the miracles and analyze him as a human being. I found a man with superior wisdom and very much enlightened." That is true and a good read is the gospel of Thomas which may be much more historically accurate than the canonical Gospels.
Duratma is a muslim, frustated Muslim
Dear Sir:
Thank you so much for your reply and corroborating to what I said.
I would take it as not just lack of rational thinking but also a stupid basic and initial blunder by a foolish man.
I strongly feel that had it not been for people like Khadija, who is my opinion for the founder of the concept Islam, learning from Waraqa, support from Abu-Bakr especially after the death of the founder (not Muhammad but Khadija) and later quests from Umar and Uthman, Islam would have decimated in the sands of what we see today as Saudi Arabia.
It is only if the educated Muslims would try and understand the meaning that they would realize how stupid they sound whenever they shout “Allah-uh-Akbar” because whenever they do, they question their own belief system.
Sincerely,
Prithvi
Things are not as black and white as this person wants us to believe. He think every word of the Bible must be true. But there is no grantee for that. There is ample evidence that much of the stories attributed to Jesus existed before him. My opinion is that what we have as gospel is a mixed bag of the story of a man and a lot of fables that his followers concocted and attributed to him.
To understand Jesus I put aside all the miracles and analyze him as a human being. I found a man with superior wisdom and very much enlightened. That is exactly the methodology I used to come to know Muhammad. I found him a very evil and benighted man.
part 3- "Many atheists maligned Palin and supported the criminal Obama because she believes in God whereas he is only a fraud." No the atheists did not maligned Palin becuse she is a theist but becuse she was not a leftist/marxist. Many religious people also did the same, did not 80% of the jews vote obama?
part 2- Read this quote from the famous Christian apologist, “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”
part 1 -"Jesus, if the stories about him are true, was not a vile man. His teachings are good. Why should I defile a good man? I don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. I see him as a man. But that does not mean I am going to throw all fairness away and vilify a good man."
Dear Dr Sina,
It amazes me – when Muslims say the 300+ idols were *false* & they had to be *discarded*, why did Rasool il Allah SAWS not resort to peaceful negotiations with the Meccans? After all when he had the power & influence to smash them, he could have just as easily spoken to the Meccans and had them moved out or handled in a different manner.
Did Mohammed not sing praises about his Xian & Jew neighbors (in one of the Hadiths)?
Having done that & destroyed all the idols – why still have that dirty filthy black stone? Was that stone used to clean the rear-side of Rasool il Allah SAWS after he defecated? Is that why Muslims undertake the Hajj & kiss that filthy dirty unhygienic stone? And what's the idea of non-idolism when they end up idolizing that filthy rock at Mecca masjid?
Also, why throw stones against the "Shaitan" – and why respect that filthy zam-zam water? Are these not *symbolic* of something divine – and ergo another mutation of idol-worship?
Finally, *7 8 6* – what's with this number? I've noticed many Muslims in India that seem to somehow respect this stupid number 786. And they also have photos of a Crescent moon on top of a masjid like structure – and respect these symbols too. Are these & other such symbols not another form of idol-worship?
It amazes me how blind & ignorant the human mind can be trained to be. Not much unlike how many of my ancestors & my brethren in India are today hallucinating about gandhi, I'd say.
MN
Dear Johan (contd),
"The Nobel peace committee .." again, irrelevant. The same entity awarded Mr. Barack H Obama the peace-prize. Anyway, the peace-prize still doesn't make gandhi a *good* *Hindu*.
"Gandhi had made mistakes in identifying the true nature of Islam .." – thank you for agreeing to that. A *good* *Hindu* doesn't advise his brethren to keep quiet & die by not fighting against Islamic oppression. Gandhi did exactly that. Chathrapathi Shivaji was a *good* *Hindu* – he used the Islamic deceit to kill Afzal Khan. Rana Pratap was a *good* *Hindu* – he defended his people against Islamic on-slaught. Gandhi advised us Hindus to respect & love the rapists of Hindu or Sikh women – not a good Hindu by any means.
"I forgive Gandhi .." I don't. I could try to forgive Lucifer, Mussolini, Mohammed, Hitler, Obama & Bush – not gandhi.
If gandhi's principles are even minutely respected anywhere on this planet – then the particular community that respects it will perish. Exhibit A: Western communities in UK, USA, Canada, Eurabia – a majority respects this senseless principle – and result is they don't fight against Islamic oppression. If one is serious in the fight against Islam – then this gandhi & his self-supported genocidal principles are an impediment.
"mindset of Indians" – If we (Indians) followed this senseless principle, then India should've never attacked Pakistani soldiers. But we don't (follow it) – and we continue to attack Pakistani soldiers (& mujahideen fighters) – and for what – merely land (be it Kashmir or Kargil). Where Gandhi advised death via pacifism at the hands of Muslim barbarians (mujahideen qualify the term, I hope) – my nation doesn't even bat an eye-lid to order the death of thousands of soldiers (both Indian & Pakistani) by fighting wars for mere land (1999 Kargil incident; 1962 Sino-Indian war; 1965 & 1971 Pakistan Wars; 1947-48 Kashmir war – just to name a few).
While we're talking about Wars – let me also re-affirm that Hindu scriptures & Hindu ancestors – both condoned war – as the *last* means to fight injustice. Be it the Ramayana or the Mahabharatha – be it the puranas or upanishads – not in any of them is it stated that one must not indulge in violence against injustice. All scriptures state clearly that only after all possible means to achieve peace are tried & all of them failed, that war should be resorted to. War is the *last* means to achieve peace – "Si vis pacem, para bellum" – a Latin adage with a closely similar effect.
MN
Dear Johan,
Firstly, please accept my gratitude for your time & efforts to respond & express your opinion. I'm very thankful, that you too did not indulge in any personal ad-hominem attacks.
"We come to know about India" – You'll have to *qualify* the "we" you refer to. Most people in Western countries came to know of India & China in the earlier centuries due to the Spice & Silk. In fact Columbus started out his famous journey (that lead to the discovery of America) with an aim of finding an alternative route to India. The famous American adage on "Cowboys & Indians" is also a case in point.
Intersting info "DYK?": The Hindu religion shares atleast a namesake relation with Paleontological terms such as Ramapithecus & Shivapithecus. We're far far far more older than gandhi – us Indians & Hindus. lol 🙂
"He is an apostle for non-violence. He himself said that he admired Jesus' sermon" – irrelevant to my point of contention. He also said that he admired Quran & Islam – so, he couldn't he have been wrong about Xianity too? Personally, I love Jesus for most of his thoughts & actions (Hate the sin, not the sinner; he who had not sinned throw the first stone; many more); but I do not respect Xianity, especially the organized ones like Catholic-ism.
"He trained 400 million Indians… He brought the mighty empire low." – again, irrelevant. Doesn't make him a *good* *Hindu*. Indians and Hindus are not inter-changeable. Indians include Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Dalits, Xians, Atheists, Agnostics, Rationalists, etc etc.
contd
Yes you are right. Muhammad was an ignorant man. The Quriash had many gods and said Allah is greater. He was not thinking as rationally as you do.
Fruits and grains don’t have a mind. They can’t like or dislike being eaten. However, some plants’ seeds have to pass through the digestive system of certain animals so they can germinate. Many trees reward animals with their fruits so they can eat and spread their seeds. This is not done consciously. It is how millions of years of evolution has adapted them. Most of the plants we humans eat have gone through huge evolutionary adaptation. It is not that they care about us but because we reward only the ones that we like best by protecting them and cultivating them. So the ones that best suit us survive. We ignore the ones we don’t like and they often go extinct or my survive in small pockets as wild plants. Animal also encourage certain characteristics of plants in a not very unlike way. They eat the fruits that they like and spread those seeds. So plants producing that kind of fruit will have a better chance of procreating. You can see this in the relationship between bees and flowers. Flowers reward bees without being aware of it. Those that provide best food for the bees get fertilized and procreate. Those that don’t, have less chance of procreation.
This relationship between plants and animals is vital for both of us. It is a symbiosis from which we both benefit. This can’t be said when animals are killed for food.
That's correct. Muhammad's rhetoric to the pagans was that they didn't have to give up everything they believe, but rather just to accept that Allah was the greatest of the of the gods they worshipped, and just to worship him only from here on. Initially the offer was that they could also worship his wife the sun god and their daughters, but Muhammad realized the implications of this and came back and said they were Satanic Verses and issued a new Sura to correct it. But Allah is Greatest is an artifact from this early stage of thinking.
Hi Amer,
No need for concern. This site is no waste of time. It is important to make the information available so that people will realize the evil of Muhammad and Islam.
Educate yourself and free yourself from the deceit that Muhammad has put upon your people.
I think he was thinking more of fruits and grains, but maybe he meant beef cattle, pork, etc.
There's still some popularity of the American Indian concept of the sacredness of the hunt and not wasting any part of the prey.
Dear Duratma_Gandhi
We come to know about India and the mindset of Indians mostly through Mahatma Gandhi. He is an apostle for non-violence. He himself said that he admired Jesus' sermon on the mount, particularly "if someone hit you on the right cheek show him your left also. Gandhi tried this principle on a vast scale. He trained 400 million Indians to protest against British rule by fasting campaigns and to receive baton charges from British Police. He brought the mighty empire low. The Nobel peace committee could not recognise this non-violence principle at that time. It took decades and beaten their chest for not giving Nobel peace prize for Gandhi. Now they realise how important the non-violence is in this modern world. Gandhi had made mistakes in identifying the true nature of Islam just as Dr. Ali Sina initially praised the attack on 9/11. I forgive Gandhi for his lack of understanding of Islam.
Dear Sir (Mr. Ali Sina):
I have a question.
Now it may sound very illogical to you which is precisely the reason why I am posting it to you.
Please correct me, if I am wrong.
Am I right in understanding the meaning of the phrase "Allah-uh-Akbar" as being "Allah is the Greatest"?
If yes,
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THIS IN ITSELF IS A VERY FLAWED STATEMENT AND IN A WAY AN ADMISSION BY NONE OTHER THAN THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM THAT THERE ARE GODS OTHER THAN ALLAH?
ISN’T THIS STATEMENT AGAINST THE VERY CONCEPT OF MONOTHEISM?
I am positive that if I am right in my understanding then the response from the ignorant defenders would be that this statement is with relevance to the humans, which in my opinion can never be because the founder of Islam whom we have seen as a master politician cannot make such a silly mistake of comparing Allah with Humans.
Please correct me, if I am wrong.
Sincerely,
Prithvi
Hey,
may be you doesn't have experience what Gandhi followed..
1st forget the word, talking, quoting.. about Gandhi..
Now whole world talking about non-violence, power of the truth, love.. which he display……
His image is on the indian currency also…
what ever your finding is, or search about Gandhi is right or wrong… i don't care.. i only know the FACT that he inspire the million of people… and American ambassador timothy j. roemer came to visit ashram…
I say f.uc.k the word, lets experience good thing he followed like truth, love, non-violence….
for ex.,
You can keep continue talking, quoting, about the song which you doesn't have experience, i say 1st experience the song, then give your review about it.. That person gives his life towards truth, non-violence, and love. which in mind count.. i only follow the love, truth, non-violence, not his dhoti or karma…
Rich amer & the richest of the rich Muslim countries. Now, let's see.
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Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Indonesia, Tunisia, Syria, Turkey, Morocco, Iran, Arabia (minus their oil money) – wow – how rich.
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Subhan Allah.. Fee amanullah .. Allahu Akbar .. no wonder Allah SWT is the "al-Makir". Guess which are the stupid morons that got deceived by this al-Makir? Guess.. come on.. you can easily guess it.
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MN
I don't want to bother you with a load of links – if you're interested, you'll seek & discover the truth.
Sorry to digress here – just wanted to share something. Somehow this conversation reminds me of this,
"Meen setha karuvaadu, nee setha verum koodu.. kannadasan sonnadhunga"
This is part of a tamil song lyric. It means,
"if a fish dies, it becomes "karuvaadu" (something like fish-fry, a food item in South India, mainly Tamil Nadu); but if we humans die, we just become skeletons (i.e. not useful to other humans) – a poet named kannadasan said so."
MN
Dear & Respected Dr. Ali Sina,
I'm not equating them (Plants & Animals). All I'm saying killing plants & eating dead plants also indicates killing a life form & consuming the dead lifeless remains of that entity (& hence in my opinion is equally a horrible act to commit). The comparison is about the act of killing & consuming lifeless remains of a formerly alive entity.
I googled again (I've done this many times already, as part of other debates) if Plants have nervous system. Search results: "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=plants+nervous+system&aq=0&aqi=g2g-v4g-j1g-b2&aql=&oq=plants+nerv"
My search term: "plants nervous system"
hello
mr ali sina i think you lost your job whatever you
you wasting time by spreading hate against islam prophet mohammed (saw) and allah swt
poor ali sina and his website
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Most Hindu texts including Bhagwad Geetha, Vedas, Puranas, Upanishad – condone war as a last means. "Saama Gaana Betha Ganda" – this is the approach highlighted. Both Ramayana & Mahabharatha (most iconic Hindu scriptures / mythologies / fantasy stories) are clear in justfying the war waged against injustice. Gandhi, however, never does that. Instead he provides first-aid relief to genocidal imperialistic British Army in the Boer war against Native Zulus. Look at the filthy imbecile here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gandhi_Boer_War…
As a politician & a leader of the masses (including Muslim, Sikh, Xian, Buddhist, Pharsi, Jain, Dalit, Hindu, Atheists, Rationalists among others) – Gandhi performed very well. Hardly is there a politician in today's world that can match that charismatic leader. "A good political leader becomes Gandhi" – yes, I agree. "A good Hindu becomes Gandhi" – definitely not. The measuring scales are different.
MN
Dear Shri Carmichael Singh,
Once again, many thanks for taking the time & efforts to share your opinions. Let me reiterate that I have nothing personal against you or Mr. Gandhi. I'm against Mr. Gandhi being used as a exemplary Hindu in this post; especially when there are so many truly good Hindus. Mother Theresa, Dalai Lama & Mian Khomenei – they're all closely related to religion; Mr. Gandhi is not.
Did Mother Theresa sleep with young boys 1/3 rd her age when she was 60+? Did she advocate Christians to be raped by Islamic goons? Did the Dalai Lama indulge in such evil activities as Gandhi did? So, why is Gandhi treated in the league of extra-ordinarily good human beings? Good Hindus would become Swami Shri Ramana Maharishi or Paramahamsa Yogananda or Shri Yukteshwar Giri or Lahiri Mahasaya – not Gandhi, never Gandhi. Even those great swamis & gurus were humans & each one of them have demerits & mistakes & *vulnerable mortals*; but there were light years ahead than Gandhi in being a good Hindu.
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Dear Mr. Carmichael Singh,
Mo – idealist – so is Gandhi.
Mo – self made prophet – so is Gandhi (you need to visit Sabarmati & other place). Even Dr Ali Sina thinks Gandhi is an exemplary Hindu.
M0 – if you do not believe he is prophet, you burn in hell – from where I come, if you don't believe in Gandhi, you're ostracized. Any writings against Gandhi are banned & his criticism is shunned.
MO – advocate mass murders – Gandhi does too. Mo asks his henchmen to kill; Gandhi asks the potential victims to allow the murders without resistance. Heck, he even asked Jews to commit mass-suicide.
MO – advocate tax on non believers – Gandhi ploys to get rid of his critics. Exhibit A: Shri Subhash Chandra Bose who won the elections & yet was shunned because of Gandhi's attitude.Exhibit B: Mian Mohd. Ali Jinnah Quaid-e-Azam. Also treated badly in comparison to Nehru.
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Accepting that Gandhi was greatly wrong about Islam is not a reason to abdicate him (Gandhi) of the evil he (Gandhi) committed. Neither his (Gandhi) being a *vulnerable mortal".
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"A good Hindu becomes Gandhi" – in its place a more worthy individual, say Adi Shankara or Swami Vivekanada (his homosexual leanings notwithstanding) or Swami Shri Ramana Maharishi or Paramahamsa Yogananda or any of the many other noteworthy Hindu could be taken as example.
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Remember, Dear Sir Carmichael Singh, Dr Sina didn't start this site overnight. He debated for a number of years with a vast number of pro-Islam people. It's absurd for me to start a site – and I would keep quite if Gandhi isn't exemplified as a good Hindu.
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Now, may I ask you: What pains you so much – that you need to indulge yourself to defend Gandhi (whose name you misspell as Ghandi)? I'm just being curious.
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MN
Dear Sir Mr. Carmichael Singh,
Firstly, many thanks for not calling me names or indulging in any ad-hominem. It's very nice of you; usually people just call me names (slave, goon, etc).
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A. It's Gandhi – not Ghandi. It really helps to know who you're defending.
B. I can & I will write a reubttal of each of your points.
C. I'm not trolling randomly on some thread & talking about Gandhi. Most respected Dr Ali Sina did make a statement "A good Hindu becomes Gandhi". In other words, Dr. Ali Sina thinks that good Hindus would like to offer our mom, wife, daughters & sisters to the Muslim barbarians for rape – as Mr. Gandhi had encouraged us to do. A man can not become a good Hindu – when he suggests that Hindu & Sikh women accept the Islamic rape. As a person born to Hindu parents, I'm greatly hurt by that affront on my ancestors & relatives.
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Plants do not have the brain and the nervous system that animals have. There is no resemblance. It is absurd to equate them.
Mo – idealist
Mo – self made prophet
M0 – if you do not believe he is prophet, you burn in hell
MO – advocate mass murders
MO – advocate tax on non believers
MO – married to plural women
MO – advocate violence and subjugation
MO- mortal yet gives impression to followers of being perpetually immortal
The differences between Ghandi and Mo:
Ghandi – idealist
Ghandi – accepted by mass as a leader
Ghandi – moralize non violence
Ghandi – married to one wife
Ghandi – mortal being and vulnerable
Dear Carmicael Signh,
Thank you for choosing to opine, sir.
a. I write to express my angst at an evil-being being classified as *good* & *Hindu*. I consider it an affront to *good* & *Hindu* people.
b. *how vulnerable he was* – Vulnerable were the Sikh & Hindu women that this evil-incarnate asked to accept rape. Vulnerable are my brothers in India, vulnerable were my ancestors that trusted this imbecile filth.
c. *good & wonderful non-violence* – Non-violence is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Gandhi being classified as a *good* *Hindu*. I've nothing to say about non-violence – I'm neither for it, nor against it.
d. *even the fraud … appreciated* – that's irrelevant.
MN
Well, if your USPS workers & behind-the-scene operators of 9-1-1 calls (& millions of others working in the service industry) are *slaves* – then, yes, sure – why not. I'd rather be a slave to serve humanity – than be the kingpin of a gang of henchmen like Mo was.
MN
Just google the term "freedombulwark gandhi sikh women" – the freedom bulwark link will show up on the search results. [In case the web site address again disappears]
This is ridiculous. Why they then escape and don’t volunteer themselves? Would you be happy if your child is eaten by a crocodile?
A philosophically oriented chemistry professor once suggested that perhaps our foods are happy to contribute to the food cycle.
Dr Sina,
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Rama & Krishna indulged in *WAR* against injustice. Gandhi advised mass-suicide in the face of an existential threat.
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The bigger the lie – the easier it is to fool people. Gandhi being good is the biggest lie of the last century – and my brethren have been fooled. Please don't propagate this lie on your website & articles, please. It is my very humble request to a very esteemed person I respect highly.
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MN
Dr Sina,
Please qualify your statement about Gandhi being *good* & then a *Hindu* – and finally a *good* *Hindu*. Rama, Krishna & Yudhishtir – they were good Hindus. Chanakya, Susruta & Aryabhatta – they were good Hindus. The aghoris & the sadhus – they are good Hindus. Swami Shri Chinmayananda & his disciples – they are good Hindus. Not Gandhi, not Advani, not Vajpayee, not Godse, not Nehru, not me & not my relatives – we're not good Hindus.
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Would you accept if someone says A.R.Rahman (a south indian convert to sufism & winner of oscar award) is a good Muslim? Would you accept if someone says Abu Sufyan is a good Muslim? They may appear to be good *humans* – but not definitely Muslims. Similarly, what Gandhi propagated – the idea of pacifism & self-inflicted genocide – those are not the tenets of Hindu / Sanathan Dharm.
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No one is forcing the visitors of the site to read the comments section. Dr Sina indulged in a fallacy by making a statement about an evil being "Gandhi" & related him to my relatives' religion – Sanathan Dharm (or more commonly termed Hinduism). I can't stand to have my relatives branded with that evil creature gandhi. So, I spoke up.
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If you have a problem, I request you to not read my comments. I don't like to force my thoughts down others throats.
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Thank you very much.
MN
Ali Sina had the courtesy to reply once and when he realised there's a goon in the house he didn't bother anymore. You may have all your opinions about M.Theresa, Krishna, Gandhi etc etc but don't you realise this site is to share about the errancies of Muhammad and the so called "religion" he "founded". You can by all means start a site to discuss Gandhi was wrong and attract like minded people rather than pathetically trying to make a point least interested to visitirs of this site.
Can you post a web address for that blog? What is the title of the blog?
I plead "no contest" to your statements about Teresa. I've visited their place at Kolkota & even viewed the small room she used to live. She's a very humble being & I have nothing but respect & love for her. That, however, doesn't blind me from the cons. There is no person without mistakes- not Gandhi, not Teresa, not Krishna, not Jesus, no one, not my mom, nor dad, nor wife, no one.
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I think I've expressed a lot of thoughts about Gandhi & linked to you a blog from freedombulwark as well. If you still choose to ignore all of his statements that calls for self-inflicted genocide & handle him with kid-gloves with mild statements such as "He was terribly wrong" – I'm at a loss of words.
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Mother Theresa was a Christian. Whether you like Christianity or not, or whether this religion is good or not, her dedication and sacrifice inspired many to convert to Christianity. Assuming Christianity is not a good religion, this does not invalidate the good work done by Mother Theresa. Also one can argue that she got her inspiration in her faith. I am sure she would have done good even if she were not a Christian. However, to her, her faith was a source of inspiration.
Gandhi was wrong on Islam. He was terribly wrong. But this does not make him a bad person. He was just an ignorant man when it came to Islam. Pacifism vis-a-vis Muslims is cultural suicide.
Well, if us kuffars follow the ideas of Gandhi – we'll never bother about survival. We'd rather kill ourselves or offer ourselves as slaves to Muslims – rather than fight them. And I sing .. "Vaishnav janato…"
At least Mohammed did not ask us kuffars to keep quite when our mothers, wives or sisters were being raped by barbaric beasts. He gave us the option to kabool Islam & we'll be treated as equals. However, with Duratma gandhi, us kuffar hindooo fools have no such choice. Our mothers, sisters, wives & daughters are all mere fodder for the Muslims to rape as they will. And you call him Hindu?
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MN
But that Duratma gandhi gladly ignored the abuse of the concepts by the brahmins & in fact joined the Congress – which was also started by a bunch of brahmins. If he is not a bigot, then who else is. He misplaced the blame on the system – rather than the bunch of corrupt brahmins who gamed the system. Today, his own party games the system – much worser than us brahmins had ever even imagined was possible.
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I call him a duratma – because he epitomizes all that a duratma is. If there was pure evil next to Mohammed – it has to be this Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Mohammed was more frank & honest in his requirements for Muslims. Gandhi is much more twisted, warped, hidden & cunning in his approach. Instead of directly advising one set of humans to act as animals – he instructs the other set to encourage the former to act like animals.
"http://chinmayasaaket.org/articles/others/Sanatana_Dharma_aka_Hinduism.pdf"
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The Chinmaya Mission – is basically a group educational institutions in India. They don't get the same amount of govt support as do the Xian missionaries or their convent schools that provide a discourse of invectives of us natives. The Chinmaya Mission, however, praises the Xians, Jesus & their religion. It sees hardly a difference between what Krsna taught & what Jesus taught. Just read their statement about the varna (or more clearly the varnashrama system) & look at the so-called Harijan / Dalits / Untouchables – whom Gandhi considered were abused. The concept was abused by us Brahmins – but that's our fault (I'm a brahmin – an iyer from the south india – by birth, of course). Based on my actions, I'm not a brahmin – I'm more a shudra – a service provider.
Killing a fruit, vegetable or an animal & consuming the dead is equally horrible – but hardly do people feel guilty about eating an apple or grapes. Similarly, hardly do *real* Muslims feel guilty for spilling the blood of nujus kuffars (like me) or apostates.
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"What I look in people is their humanity. I look at their sense of justice, fairness, compassion, kindness, and empathy. Intellectualism challenges my mind, but what make me cry are simple acts of kindness. I want to promote goodness. I could not care less about beliefs."
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100% agreed. But many people probably hop into your band-wagon to evangelize or simply disparage Islam in favor of Hinduism or Xianity. Sad, as it may be, it's still true.
So, if Gandhi is a good hindu & we hindus (as nujus, kuffar & filthy as we are) follow / emulate this duratma, we'll end up in what can only be described as self-inflicted genocide; guess who the victims will be, the Muslims, of course. Those poor victims will have to bear with the thought of having killed us hindus & raped our mothers, sisters, wives & daughters. Those muslim victims will have to live with our women as their slaves – quranic statement "those whom their right hands possess" – oh, how sad a day would that be, for the Muslims.
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Do you still stand by your statement about Gandhi being even a human, let alone a hindu or a good one at that? Please do read that blog on freedombulwark. Please.
Gandhi supported Islamic rapists – he said he would kiss the Muslim rapists' feet. He asked (in his Hindi Newspaper) that Hindu & Sikh women offer no resistence to rapists.
ReferenceL: D Lapierre and L Collins, Freedom at Midnight, Vikas p 479 & D Keer p 237
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He advised Jews to commit mass-suicide by jumping into the sea – and give all their lands to Muslim/Arabs. He referred to Hitler as "my dear friend". He went to bed naked with girls that were elder than his grand-daughters. He was the main reason & proponent for the division of British India. He supported the British in their war against the native Africans & even participated in the genocide against the Zulus. He is the most horrible soul – duratma – that I've ever read about. He was an ass-licker of the Western, British Imperialists – he never wanted freedom for India from the British rule; he only wanted self-governance at a limited level.
"A good Christian becomes Mother Theresa. A Good Hindu becomes Gandhi. A good Buddhist becomes Dalai Lama. A good Muslim becomes Khomeini."
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While I hold you in high regard w.r.to Islam & would agree to your opinion on Khomeini; I'm very skeptical about Dalai Lama & Teresa. May be Teresa can be counted – because she influenced a 5000+ year old civilization to stop evolving & accept the biblical fantasy tales – as an evangelist xian. I don't consider myself qualified to offer an opinion on Buddhism & Dalai Lama – but suffice to say the Chinese wouldn't be happy about this.
This is to all the muslims: Please my dear friends in humanity, think, think for Gods sake, of what you are doing! You dream of ruling the world trough violence and indoctrination of hateful nonsense, but I tell you no one, no one, not the english, not the mongols, not the Abbasids, not the Sasanians, not the americans, no one has ever ruled the entire world, this is a dream, nothing but a dream.
Instead of living in peace you are now teaching the world to hate you. Do you really think the kuffar for ever will be in the defensive, playing nice, while you act worse than animals? If you do, you are deluding yourselves. Already now the kuffars expect nothing of you, they hear of your crimes and take it for granted that you cannot act differently, this is how you have already become subhuman in their eyes.
In the end they will treat you with great cruelty, because they will see in you an obstacle to their survival. So while you still have the chance, leave islam, leave this hate behind and join humanity.
I wish for the muslims the very best, truth and life to the full.