Are Dreams Messages from God?

hilde says:

Dear Ali Sina,

I am a non-Muslim woman raised as a christian, but even in christianity ( the church) I saw a lot of hypocrisy. Anyway I love the figure of Jesus

and I , like you, believe that christians not always follow his words. I worked a lot in Indonesia and was there also after the Bali Bombing. I speak the language and followed the news on tv. I was surprised by some commentaries that these terrorists were following the exact orders of their prophet. So I read the Koran, the Hadiths and the live of the prophet. And I was chocked by the lack of justice in these writing. The open hatred and violence towards the Jews and all other Muslims. So I read it again and again and became more chocked. This is 11 or 12 years ago. So I could not hide my chock and started talking about it with my friends. But surprise! They said I was a racist and islamophobe and that not all Muslims were terrorists. I had a hard time and felt really bad about it. So I read it again, but couldn't find it anything different then a false prophecy just told by the prophet to establish his power and let everybody do it his way. It was so abvious, transparant and almost ridiculous. Anyway I kept my mouth shut for a long time, but in my country the criminality by Muslims youngsters grew, they asked all kind of privileges and of course now we have thousands of Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq and now here in Europe they are afraid they will come back and do terrorists acts. But still the politic correctness (press, prominents and politicians) almost forces people to say that this has nothing to do with islam, because islam is peaceful and tolerant. It sometimes drives me crazy. I have a business and don't want to profile myself as a racist or islamophobe, but still open my mouth sometimes about it. My best friend is married to a Muslim, he is a very nice guy, but she takes very good care of him and they don't have children. What I want to ask you is: do you have some tips for me how to handle this, because I feel sometimes quite frustrated by this. I admire your strength and inteligence and als your empathy towards Muslims even though you see their religion is false. Thanks

Josh says:

he records them for you to see them yourself

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear Sister Narcole,

If I'll celebrate Eid then he will help me but I've decided to do not celebrate a festival that is based on false.  I'll celebrate "Nauroz" dated on 05-July of every year and 14- July as "Roz-e-Azadi" but this Eid is like for all thinkers a salvation day. because A person who can't think he is a foolish, and a person who deny to think he is a biased, and who is  not able to think a slave. so you can decide in which category Muhammad put all true Muslims.   

narcole1919721 says:

When should i go? 

narcole1919721 says:

Im sure you could meet him. do shalawat thousands times without hadats and najs 🙂

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//How about you meet prophet and ask him directly? //
I won't meet that dacoit that I am pretty sure. But since you couldn't answer can I assume that you don't know the answer and your majlis-e-talim, that you advertise with so much vigour, hasn't been able to impart you enough 'knowledge'?

cchuckc says:

@shabeer_hassan
What the link you have provided doesn't answer the questions it itself sets out to prove. I will quote some truths that the article talks about:
1. However, it does reject the idea of the equality of the sexes as well. In its view, it is impossible that man be equivalent to woman or that woman be the equal to man. 
2. Q2:28, last part "but men have a degree over them and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."
So the article quotes this and then doesn't explain what the last part here 🙂
3. The article says that the position of women then was very weak because apparently the Romans thought so and so about them. First the Arabs were not Romans. Second Khadija was a rich business women which shows that in that society women actually were relatively free and used to run businesses. Third, even among Romans we find politically powerful women, so the allegations against the Romans isn't really true. Fourth, if this is really about the condition of women at that time, don't you think then that these rulings are invalid now, at least in most societies? And if that is so, don't you think Quran requires rewriting?
4. "The Qur'an has given the woman, like the man, the right to earn wealth."
See the comment about Khadija again. 

I stop here, not because I can't go further, but because I have showed a sample of how that article could be shredded to pieces.
Lets go back to the comment that I had posted. Do you deny that women are provided half the inheritance and their witness is counted as half. Yes, No? Also do you think the reason Narcole gives for this is correct? Yes, No. Instead of answering straight questions with direct answers you are just propagating Islamic apologies.

shabeer_hassan says:

ISLAM EVER SAY KEEP THE GIRLS ONLY :Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320 
(4) Not to kill your children[BOTH BOY/GIRL]
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37 
do not act treacherously. Do not mutilate and do not kill children.
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.11 
slave forced sex prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 12 : Hadith 2304 
Bukhari:6949
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 79 :: Hadith 706
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 77 :: Hadith 600
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952 
Narrated AbuHurayrah: 
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The child of adultery is worst of the three. 
WHO R KEEP THE GIRLS ONLY ?
Numbers 31: 17-18
 
17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
 
The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

Numbers 31: 25-40
 
25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
30. And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
34. And threescore and one thousand asses,
35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
37. And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.
39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.
40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)
 
In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.
 
 
The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)
to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.
 
So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians)  that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.
 

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//La haula wa la quwwata illa billah//
There was a reason I quoted the first part. It has its own significance :-).

narcole1919721 says:

La haula wa la quwwata illa billah

narcole1919721 says:

Whoah…he just welcomed a moslem. Nice :') hidayah…i led him to 'behave'..alhamdu lillaah…….♥

narcole1919721 says:

Thanks for showing us your linguistic intelligence. 🙂 

narcole1919721 says:

You sound like old friends 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Unfortunately 🙁

ihateislam says:

IMPOSSIBLE. They have nothing to offer. Why should I waste my time following them? Rather, they follow us. Your appearance on this site is proof of that.

cchuckc says:

@shabeer_hassan
//Ohhhh….its only about written words, here? //
Unfortunately I am not clairvoyant. Unwritten words are not read 🙂

//Better attend majlis ta3lim//
Which harvests Islamic terrorists. Sorry I am not interested. If you want to counter the above and are not capable bring in your mullahs whose majlis-e-talim you attend. By the way, since you aren't able to counter doesn't it prove how insufficient your talim is?

narcole1919721 says:

Ohhhh….its only about written words, here? 

narcole1919721 says:

Nah, you both keep folowing moslems 😉

cchuckc says:

@shabeer_hassan
//FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AGAIN & LEARN THE KNOWLEDGE//
Yes, your son must go to a proper school and acquire knowledge instead of going to a madrasa.

//HOW CAN A MAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE SENTENCE "Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us" //
It says exactly what I said here in CAPS is the part that specifically throws your theory out : "….takes up arms AGAINST US…..". Do you have a problem reading that? As I said you are a liar and a very poor one at that. In other words you are a Muslim :-).

//THE TIME REACHED TO CHANGE HIS CORNEA/LENSES FROM HIS EYE OR SOMEONE TEACH HIM TO BASIC ENGLISH LANGUAGE//
The above sentence is a conclusive proof of your English capabilities. With such poor English you should refrain from commenting on others' linguistic abilities.

//The Prophet said, "None is killed unjustly, but the first son of Adam will have a part of its burden." Sufyan said//
It also says exactly what I said. Killing polytheist is never unjust for a Muslim.

General bloodshed isn't mentioned as a crime in the hadeeth you have mentioned which I quoted.
//I ASKING U ONE QUESTION IS KILLING OWN SON WITH UNJUST IS BLOODSHED?//
I said 'General Bloodshed' is not prohibited. The only thing said in the hadeeth is that don't kill your own son. It says nothing about other's son or daughter or polytheist killing. You can't deny history. Muslims killed, in fact butchered, thousands under Muhammad's direction. Here is a hadeeth supporting that. Lets see how you counter that:
Shahi Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256: Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."

//TAKE A NOTE BOOK WRITE THE FOLLOWING HADITH 1000000[EACH] TIME ,U EVER & NEVER SAYS ISLAM PROMOTING KILLING CHILDREN UP TO U'R DEATH//
Don't put words in my mouth. I clearly said that THAT particular hadeeth says nothing about prohibitng daughters being killed. That hadeeth doesn't prohibit killing in general. It only asks you not to kill your sons.

//Book 019, Hadith Number 4320 
It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children. //
Why? Because women and children were being sold as slaves. Detesting their killing was a simple economic consideration. It is a fact that there was a good slave trade that was establishing as the Muslims were growing in power. I have proved it before in other threads. The fact that it was not out of any mercy for women and children is already proved by the hadeeth I have quoted above and I can quote a dozen of these all Shahi.

shabeer_hassan says:

@ali sinna

I AM ANSWERING U'R MEMBERS QUESTION ,I AM NOT INCLUDING LONG ISLAMIC TEACHING OR MY PERSONAL COMMENTS OR I AM NOT POSTING THE IRRELEVANT COMMENTS HERE …………. A POSITIVE WAY OF DEBATE IS PART OF LEARNING TRUTH,EVERY MAN HAS TO RIGHT TO EXPRESS HIS VIEWS /CLAIM………SOME TIME A LONG POST REQUIRED FOR UNDERSTANDING A TOPICS,WE R DISCUSSING HERE RELIGION /CIVILIZATION ,FROM TWO OR THREE LINE WE CAN'T ANSWER THEIR CLAIM ,A ANSWER IS COMPLETED, IT MUST INCLUDE VERSES EVIDENCE,HOW TO PRACTICABLE IN HUMAN LIFE,HOW PROPHET HIS SAHABHA UNDERSTAND/LEARN THAT VERSES /TOPIC ,ETC………………… 

narcole1919721 says:

What is this site about then? A diary of atheist? Why not put that title? hm…such title could sound attractive for movie too

narcole1919721 says:

Subhanallah…so fair…:')

shabeer_hassan says:

One: The Qur'an recognizes the right of woman to earn wealth.
Indeed, to earn as much as she desires. There is to be no right for the
man in any such earnings of hers. Her earnings will be hers alone.
Two: Under no circumstances will the protection and maintenance
of woman; children or the parents become the duty of the
woman. This then means that irrespective of how wealthy a woman
might be, she is not duty bound to bear the expenses of her own self,
children, parents or husband.
Three: Woman has the right to take, at the time of her marriage,
her dower from her husband. This dower (Mehr) is then effectively
treated as her own wealth.
Four: The protection of the family is the duty of man. It is man
who is duty bound to bear the expenses of his wife and children. Furthermore,
it is again his duty to protect his parents and other close
relatives. In effect, therefore, all financial burdens have to be borne
by man.
Five: Irrespective of how wealthy a wife might be, the husband
has no right, whatsoever, to take from any portion of her wealth without
her explicit permission.
The question may now be considered as to whether the Qur'an
has dealt justly or discriminatingly with the woman.
The wealth of inheritance received by woman is hers and hers
alone. None else has the right to this wealth. But what of that received
by man? He has to pay his marriage dower, take up the maintenance
of the women. And to bear her as well as the children’s expenses.
All falls under the responsibility of the man. Then is it man or
woman who has found favourable treatment in the Qur'an?
All other religious texts, which confer financial responsibilities
upon the man, have, in lieu of such duties, restricted the right to inheritance
with the man. As for the Qur'an, while it does stress upon the
fact that all financial burdens will be shouldered by man, it, nevertheless,
provides for the inheritance of woman as well. Indeed, by
approportioning half the inheritance of man to woman it has greatly
honoured her.
What then, can be the non-Qur'anic recommendations of the
critics on this subject? Two such recommendations may be raised:
1. Woman be given twice the wealth of man. Confer financial responsibilities upon woman.
2. Man and woman be given equal share in the wealth of inheritance.
Distribute financial responsibilities equally between them.
Both these recommendations seek to burden woman with the
yoke of financial responsibilities. This is an idea that is against the
very nature of womanhood. For, during times of pregnancy and childbirth
she yearns for the care and protection of the man. To burden
woman with financial responsibilities, as a rule, is to create conditions
of grave and far reaching consequences that will arise in the future.
As such, it is certain that the law which the Qur'an has put forward as
the subject of inheritance is, by far, the best that there is for woman’s
good.

narcole1919721 says:

Using soul 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

If you see nature, you will find quran. the sky moon stars cloud sun sea earth are telling in language for all. Ali Imran 190-191 : Indeed, in the creation of the sky and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You [above such a thing]; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.

narcole1919721 says:

Inna lillahi

ihateislam says:

You are the "angel" of death.

narcole1919721 says:

Okay, after you finish eating my biscuits 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

How did you know? His wife told you? 

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Pms also unstable '.' How many days//
Why are you beating around the bush ? Oh sorry, thats your habit. So do you accept then that Quran correctly diagnoses women to be half as intelligent  and trustworthy as men are (and apparently because they are mentally unstable for a certain number of days)? Yes, No?

By the way, lets just do the match. In average cases, a women bleeds between 12 and 50 and lives, say, till 70. So she is not emotionally OK for 32 years in her life. Now even when she menstruates, it is only for 4-5 days, and if she suffers from PMS its an additional 4-5 days, on average.. thats about 10 days in a month. SO of the remaining 38 years, that she has periods, the women is emotionally OK, or mentally stable as you term it, for 25 years. So we see that counting days a women is OK for 57 years out of an average of 70 years. And based on this your silly Allah gives farman that women should get half the inheritance, are half as trustworthy as witness etc. Masha Allah!!

narcole1919721 says:

Sakat did you help nizam at home when Eid? you are a good tolerating indian friend. Here, angpao.

narcole1919721 says:

But Islam prophet quran and hadiths use arabic. If you dont understand arabic in islam eat the biscuits 

sakat_1408_123 says:

@ Chuck
/Also I am not specifically talking about you. From your comments you seem unstable 30 days a month (and nights too)/.
It seems you have diagnosed her perfectly.

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Sometimes 10-14 days//
Only sometimes. Usually only around a week, and only between the age 12 to 50. So there are far more days when a woman isn't emotionally unstable(if we can say that) due to menstruation if we consider an average life of 70 years (and women on average live more years than men).

Also I am not specifically talking about you. From your comments you seem unstable 30 days a month (and nights too).

narcole1919721 says:

Arabic pwease

narcole1919721 says:

Matter 🙂 *feeds you from my hand* say aa 'o'

cchuckc says:

@Shabeer,
Here catching your lies:
You say: //People who take weapons for fight prohibited: 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 190 ,91,92 //
Lets see what these hadiths are really saying:

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 190: Narrated: The statement of the Prophet: Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us."

Is this a prohibition? It is saying that if you attack us then you don't belong to us.

//Prohibit killing with unjust: //
Lets check the hadith again:
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 423: Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "None is killed unjustly, but the first son of Adam will have a part of its burden." 
Sufyan said, "..a part of its blood because he was the first to establish the tradition of murdering"

This is how Mhhammad is justifying the killings he did/ordered. To him, as indeed to every true muslim, not being muslim is a crime and punishable by death. That is ENOUGH justification, hence in Islamic logic, killing a polytheist is never unjustified.

You say: //Bloodshed completely prohibited: 
 Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 4,7 ,8 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,23//
Lets look at one of these:
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 611: Narrated 'Abdullah:
I asked Allah's Apostle "What is the biggest sin in the sight of Allah?" He said, "To set up rivals unto
Allah though He alone created you." I said, "In fact, that is a tremendous sin," and added, "What
next?" He said, "To kill your son being afraid that he may share your food with you." I further asked,
"What next?" He said, "To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor."

Where is general bloodshed prohibited in the above hadith? What is prohibited here is a father killing his son (but not daughter , mind you), polytheism and illegal sexual intercourse (This person could hardly say a thing without mentioning illegal sex).

See Shabeer you are just a liar, and a very poor one at that.

narcole1919721 says:

Nah, im unstable when pms or period 🙂 *makes you tea* 

narcole1919721 says:

Ali, lewis asked how are you? im worried. you dont seem well..may i visit you? :'/ ill bring soup

narcole1919721 says:

Wow

shabeer_hassan says:

#why it is not consistent with the nature of God to punish people……………..god punish the people who deviate the path of his nature/he was the creator of all ,he has the right to punish his creation , his Justice being trustful /moral ……….HITLER KILLED 6 M PEOPLE,HOW MANY TIME WE PUNISH HIM?LIKE FROM THE MANKIND HISTORY LOT OF BLOODSHED ,UN JUSTICE,MASSACRE HAPPENED. HOW MANY DROP OF BLOOD ? HOW MANY DROP OF TEARS? DOES ALL WHO PUNISHED OR EQUALLY PUNISHED? HOW MANY INJUSTICE GOING ON OUR WORLD PER SECOND, A DAY REQUIRED TO PUNISH ALL THE SINNER WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE ,ITS THE DREAM OF JUSTER ,ITS THE DREAM OF THE JUST WHO KEEP RIGHTEOUS,MORALS & GOOD MANNERS………. THE JUDGMENT COMPLETED/MORAL/IDEAL IT JUDGE WHO KNOW THE INTENTION OF THE PEOPLE /DEPTH OF THE CRIME & READ THE PEOPLE MIND[SOUL]………………………..
#God will not judge nor does he punish anyone………………….PROOF????? JUST A CREATED HUMAN CLAIM,HAS LIMITATION WITH SOUND ,EAR,BRAIN,NOTHING TO CREATED HERE A SINGLE ATOM,NOTHING TO CONTROL HERE A SINGLE CELL,DEPENDING WATER,OXYGEN,FOOD,HEAT,& ETC ,DEPENDING ALL FROM GOD,TALKING /CRITICIZING MY ALMIGHTY GOD NATURE WITH THEIR 60-100 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ,A LITTLE HUMAN BRAIN,THEY DON'T KNOW THE CAPACITY OF UNIVERSES ,WHO R THEY? 
#Dreams are not messages from the other world. They are messages from our subconscious mind………………………………….
Muslim :: Book 29 : Hadith 5621 
dreams are of three types: one good dream which is a sort of good tidings from Allah; the evil dream which causes pain is from the satan; and the third one is a suggestion of one's own mind; so if any one of you sees a dream which he does not like he should stand tip and offer prayer and he should not relate it to people, and he said: I would love to see fetters (in the dream), but I dislike wearing of necklace, for the fetters is (an indication of) one's steadfastness in religion. The narrator said: I do not know whether this is a part of the hadith or the words of Ibn Sirin.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 87 :: Hadith 144 
'There are three types of dreams: The reflection of one's thoughts and experiences one has during wakefulness, what is suggested by Satan to frighten the dreamer, or glad tidings from Allah. So, if someone has a dream which he dislikes, he should not tell it to others, but get up and offer a prayer." He added, "He (Abu Huraira) hated to see a Ghul (i.e., iron collar around his neck in a dream) and people liked to see fetters (on their feet in a dream). The fetters on the feet symbolizes one's constant and firm adherence to religion." And Abu 'Abdullah said, "Ghuls (iron collars) are used only for necks." 

shabeer_hassan says:

People who take weapons for fight prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 190 ,91,92
Prohibit killing with unjust:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 423
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 17 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 2,3,6,9
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 840
Bloodshed completely prohibited:
 Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 4,7 ,8
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,23 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 12
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 , 21
People blood & properties, were honors and protected/sacred like Mecca:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 199
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 776 
Forbid burning human:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 84 :: Hadith 57 
quarrel/fight prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 637 
does not shed unlawful blood:
Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4257 , 59
Help oppressed people & stop oppression
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 84
Taking self action prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 829
Revenge is prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 836 
prohibit women killing:
Bukhari 4.52.256
[killing girl prohibit]
women killing prohibited:
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.9 
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5128,28
prohibited killing when people who pray. 
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4910 
forbid killing animal
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5247, 49 
cut tree prohibit:
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5220
children captive killing prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4390 
mischief through the land prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4357 ,59
Provacation people to sin is prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 12 : Hadith 2170 
prophet family has no right to sadhaka & zakath:
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2969 ,66,76,79
prophet never consume other person property
Dawud :: Book 22 : Hadith 3326 
Punishment for killer either kill, or blood money to relative:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 19,20
Fithna: protection of his family, his property, his children and his neighbors
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 216 
Fighting for physical earning prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 228
Being patience:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 268
Public people have no right to punish the people:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 279
Do not long for meeting your enemy
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 90 :: Hadith 343 
mischief through the land prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4357 
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4359
Jew never killed without evidence:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 302 
Making quarrel/fight between people prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 298
Fighting each other prohibited: money punishment
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 30 
children captive killing prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4390 
Killing children Prohibited
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 395 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 1
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 802
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 480
Physical earning, worldly benefit not expected:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 438 ,39
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 455
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 500 
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 444,45,46,47,49
Death punishment for killers: Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment)
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 25
 suicide attack prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 77 :: Hadith 603 , 604
Slave sex prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 79 :: Hadith 706
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 77 :: Hadith 600
Forbid slave as gift:
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 80 :: Hadith 748,49,50, 51
forced sex with slave prohibited:
Bukhari:6949
slave forced sex prohibited:
Dawud :: Book 12 : Hadith 2304 
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 506
"Allah's Apostle prohibited taking money for blood, the price of a dog, and the earnings of a slave-girl by prostitution;
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 440 
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 36 :: Hadith 483 

shabeer_hassan says:

# But there is no miracle in the Quran………………………….
lot of miracle is there in quran i prove here one 
[023:014]  Then We made the sperm into a leech-like substance; then of that leech-like substance We made a fetus of a chewed-like substance; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create!
 Man is created from the purest and the best sperm (سلالة) that is also drawn with ease (سل ).  The male's sperm that fertilizes the female's egg is the best and strongest sperm from among all of the 100s of millions of sperms that were ejected, and it ultimately draws itself from the protective semen liquid to move into the egg. 
"2.  Sulalah.  Sulalah refers to the selection from the male and female fluids……The Qur'anic term for this selection is sulalah, which means in Arabic "gentle extraction from fluid".  It is now known that both ovum and sperm are gently extracted from their fluid environments in the process of fertilization.  The ovum is selected from a long stream of follicular fluid, while one sperm out of millions is selected from the seminal fluid.  The first sperm which touches the cell membrane of the ovum enters easily, but immediately afterwards a rapid physical, chemical change occurs in the cell membrane, selecting the sperm only and all other sperm are locked out." (The Qur'an and Modern Science, Keith L. Moore, Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani, and Mustafa A. Ahmed, Page 27, ISBN 0-9627236-0-6)
[023:013]  Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed (that's the woman's egg);
[023:014]  Then We made Created the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (that is a leech-like substance); then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create!
1-  Man is created and determined from a single flowing سلالة, that is the SPERM. 
2-  Then Allah Almighty Made man a MINGLED NUTFAH (SPERM…نطفة امشاج), which is a mingled, single, stationed and secured SPERM inside the egg (ثم جعلناه نطفة في قرار مكين); m-قرار مكين is the female's protected and protective BASE (i.e., egg).
3-  Then after that, Allah Almighty Created the NUTFAH into an AALAQA (a sucking clot substance that looks like a leech).
4-  And then the alaqa was Created into a lump (mudgha….مضغة).
5-  Then the lump was Created into bones, and then the bones were covered with flesh, and then Allah Almighty انشاناه خلقا اخر built him into a different creation.
[053:045]  And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046]  From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating;
[075:037]  Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating)?
[075:038]  The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039]  Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.
Allah Almighty Had Spoken a Divine Statement that is today in perfect agreement with Science!  Indeed, the male's NUTFAH (sperm) strikes the female's egg with penetration.  The NUTFAH is indeed a penetrating one that "strikes" and "cuts" through the egg to make fertilization.  That is why Allah Allah Almighty in both Noble Verses, 53:45, 75:39, talked about the formation of both sexes: the male and the female, and said that it is the "penetrating," "striking," "cutting," (يمنى) NUTFAH (نطفة, sperm) that determines them.
We're already seen above that MANA (منى) directly and literally means to strike, cut, and penetrate. 
"When one of you was created in his mother's womb, he as a NUTFAH نطفه for 40 days, then became for 40 days a Aalaqa علقه , then became for 40 days Mudgha مضغه,  then Allah Almighty Sent to him the Ange(of Life to blow Life in him as stated in Noble Verse 32:9):
 

shabeer_hassan says:

#miracles are self-deceptions and products of false interpretations…………………..
Belief in Ghaib (Unseen)
The belief in ghaib (unseen) is mentioned in the first few ayat of the Qur’an, so it is almost the opening message in the Qur’an:
This is the Book (the Qur’an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious believers of Islamic Monotheism who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. Who believe in the ghaib and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and spend out of what We have provided for them [i.e. give Zakat , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allah's Cause – Jihad]. (Al-Baqara 2:2-3)
We can see in the above ayat that Emaan (faith) in ghaib is a matter of belief and it is very important to get our understanding of this concept aligned with what the Qur’an tells us. The correct belief in ghaib (unseen or unknown), as stated in the Qur’an, is that the knowledge of the Unseen is only with Allah:
And with Him are the keys of the ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record. (Al-Anaam 6:59)
(He Alone is) the All-Knower of the ghaib (Unseen), and He reveals to none His ghaib (Unseen).” (Al-Jinn 72:26)
Say: “None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghaib (Unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected.” (An-Naml 27:65)
Say (O Muhammad): “I possess no power over benefit or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the ghaib (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe.” (Al-Araf 7:188)
Narrated Masruq: ‘Aisha said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his lord, he is a liar, for Allah says: ‘No vision can grasp Him.’ (6.103) And if anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.”  [Sahih Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 477]
#if there were strange things in the Quran, they do not prove that this book is from God…………………..
that the miracle opinion like a foolish says " IF U SAW THE KING COBRA DON'T FEAR ABOUT THAT "
THEN WHAT WAS THE DIVINITY OF THE TRUE SCRIPTURE ,MR,SINNA MUST PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE ………….
# It would prove that it is from Satan…………&# miracles can be either tricks or the work of Satan……… ONE DAY HE SAYS NO SPIRITUAL/UNSEEN THINGS OR SUBJECT ,NO GOD,NO ANGLE,NO SATAN ,ETC,HERE HE SAY ABOUT THE SATAN,BUT HE NEVER BELIEVE GOD ,I DON'T NO WHAT A MIRACLE MAN WAS HIM,FOR HIS CLAIM HE JOINT ALL OF THEM WITH HIM,FOR CRITICIZING REJECTED ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS,HE BELIEVING SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD ,CAN WE IMAGINE WHO THE PEOPLE LIKE SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD???????????? 

ihateislam says:

If I am mean it is because you imposed that on me. However, calling muhammadanism by its proper name is not meanness. If doing so hurts your feeling, then there is nothing that can be done about that for evil remains evil no matter whose ox is gored.

ihateislam says:

That does not apply to me.

Sanatan Dharma says:

@narcole
Rig Veda / 8/58/2: Only One is the Fire, enkindled in numerous ways; only One is the Sun,  pervading this whole universe; only One is the Dawn, illuminating all things. The One has become the whole world. 
Atharvana Veda 13/4/12: He is the One, the Onefold, the only One. 
Mundaka Upanishad/3/1/8: Eye cannot see him, nor words reveal him; by the senses, austerity, or works he is not known.When the mind is cleansed by the grace of wisdom, he is seen by contemplation–the One without parts.
Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad/ 3/8/9: It is in truth that Imperishable, O Gargi, who is not seen but is the seer, who is not heard but is the hearer, who is not thought but is the thinker, who is not known but is the knower. There is no other seer but him, no other hearer but him, no other thinker but him, no other knower but him. And it is that Imperishable which is the warp and the woof of space.”
What we have shown by a few  instances from Vedic scriptures is that, if anything, they are monotheistic beyond comparison, as , Vedic scriptures recognize the unity of REALITY without any human intervention or intercession. Going by the playbook of West Asian theisms, the Vedic discourse is head and shoulders above the Abrahamic monotheism, for the reason mentioned above. In the context of Islam, where, oneness, among other things, points to not associating partners with God, there are tons of verses in Vedas (in addition to the above) that show what true oneness is. As mentioned above, Vedic scriptures do not attach a human or a quasi human aspect, while dealing with REALITY.

narcole1919721 says:

Persons who do not forgive….keep grudge…slowly burns inside…

narcole1919721 says:

You never wanna see yourself..mistake you made, you talk as if you are holier than jesus…

ihateislam says:

Fantastic nonsense. There is no name that Muhammad will not be given including pig-head. If he is a descendant of Hagar then he is from the lineage GOD Almighty said will be wild and against everybody. Nothing can be truer than that for muhammadanism is a declaration of war on mankind. The muhammadan is in enmity with the rest of humanity. YES THE TRUE GOD SAID IT ABOUT THE OFFSPRING OF ISHMAEL, HAGAR'S SON, AND IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES.

narcole1919721 says:

Those arent god. Those are makhluq, under gods control. Even Brahma aka prophet Abraham was a prophet. And saraswati was sarah, his wife. Jesus came from sarahs decendants, prophet Muhammad came from hajars decendants. and tong sam chongs journey to west was order from caesar tang, to take holyscript from budha mahiawu aka prophet Mumammad from west, cos he felt hindu from india wasnt pure anymore. Mahiawu means west, and they called mecca as west. Most religions came from hanif, but improvisation created sects even new religions.

Sanatan Dharma says:

@Ali Sina
Why my comment not published which was address to narcole in reference of number of Gods. I have not abused or write any vulgar word 

ihateislam says:

You don't know what anybody needs and that includes your ex boyfriend.

narcole1919721 says:

You? ;D

Sanatan Dharma says:

Narcole
Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad/ 3/9/ 1 – 9: This involves a conversation between Shakalya and Yajnavalka on the number of Gods.
 
1. Then Vidagdha Shakalya asked him: “How many Gods are there, Yajnavalkya?”
He replied according to the Nivid, quoting the number mentioned in the Nivid of the All-Gods: “Three hundred and three and three thousand and three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Thirty-three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Six.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Two.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“One and a half.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“One.”
“Yes,” he said, “but which are those three hundred and three and three thousand and three?”
 
2. Yajnavalkya replied: “These are but their powers; there are only thirty-three Gods.”
“Which are these thirty-three?”
“The eight Vasus, eleven Rudras, and twelve Adityas make thirty-one; thus with Indra and Prajapati there are thirty-three all told.”
 
3. “Which are the Vasus?”
“Fire, the earth, wind, space, the sun, the sky, the moon, and the stars–these are the Vasus. In them is stored all treasure; hence they are called Vasus.”
 
4. “Which are the Rudras?”
“The ten breaths that are in man, and the atman is the eleventh. When they leave the mortal body, they cause men to weep. Because they cause men to weep, they are Rudras.”
 
5. “Which are the Adityas?”
“The twelve months of the year, these are the Adityas. They move onward, carrying along all that is; hence they are called Adityas.”
 
6. “Who is Indra? Who is Prajapati?”
“The thunder is Indra, the Sacrifice is Prajapati.”
“What is thunder?”
“Lightning.”
“What is sacrifice?”
“The victim.”
 
7. “Which are the six?”
“Fire, the earth, the wind, space, the sun, and the sky–these are the six, for these six are all.”
 
8. “Which are the three Gods?”
“The three Gods are the three worlds, for in them all those Gods exist.”
“Which are the two Gods?”
“Food and Life Breath.”
Which is the one and a half?”
“The one who blows.”
 
9. “About this God they say: as the one who blows [the air] is one only, why speak of one and a half? Because in him all this has developed, hence it is called one and a half.”
“Which is the one God?”
“Life Breath; he is Brahman, which they call ‘that’ .”
 
Rig Veda / 8/58/2: Only One is the Fire, enkindled in numerous ways; only One is the Sun,  pervading this whole universe; only One is the Dawn, illuminating all things. The One has become the whole world.
Atharvana Veda 13/4/12: He is the One, the Onefold, the only One.
Mundaka Upanishad/3/1/8: Eye cannot see him, nor words reveal him; by the senses, austerity, or works he is not known.When the mind is cleansed by the grace of wisdom, he is seen by contemplation–the One without parts.

ihateislam says:

Set up a new website and see what happens.

ihateislam says:

It is part of your profile.

narcole1919721 says:

That is you ;D

ihateislam says:

And you will read in any of the Nigerian languages.

narcole1919721 says:

Alislam.org vs Alisina.org lol

ihateislam says:

Christianity has no need for parroting. That is peculiar to muhammadanism where people cram without knowing the meaning but only to escape punishment.

narcole1919721 says:

*clap-clap* can you be hafizh of bible? 

ihateislam says:

Sura 3:55 "JESUS, I AM ABOUT TO CAUSE YOUR TERM ON EARTH TO END AND LIFT YOU UP TO ME. I SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY FROM THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE AND EXALT YOUR FOLLOWERS ABOVE THEM TILL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION—AS FOR THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE, THEY SHALL BE STERNLY PUNISHED IN THIS WORLD AND THE WORLD TO COME: THERE SHALL BE NONE TO HELP THEM".
Above quotation refers. Let it be assumed, for purposes of argument only, that it refers to the Jesus I know.

ihateislam says:

Santana Dharma,
"WHAT IS QURAN IN ACTUALITY?"
Sura 81:19 "THE SPEECH OF A NOBLE MESSENGER". In other words, the thoughts and sayings of Muhammad who was called 'the messenger'. Michael Hart, the Jewish geophysicist who is much celebrated by muhammadans, confirmed this to the approval of his target readership.

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Lol keep hiding and avoiding.//
My questions are still there unanswered, so who is avoiding?

//Any brave guy would like to take my challenge?//
Suppose I am not brave, how does it answer the question I have raised.

See I have conclusively proven that the speed of light your Egyptian 'physician' 🙂 has found is based on lies and fabrications. You couldn't offer a logical response to it (But when do you anyway?). I am done with this thread and not going to respond to anything else on this thread. Point made, time to move on.

cchuckc says:

Dankeschon Sakat.

Vinod says:

@ Narcole,
Now you had the formula, and also you now the speed and time and you can easily find the distance where our god who is hiding.

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721,
//How about you make a book against dr mansoubs book //
That will be paying too much respect to that idiot. He doesn't deserve it. You can be an intermediary and let your dear 'physician' know. You claim to have understood his theory, but aren't able to answer simple questions exactly on that topic!!!

//and make him admit ur right//
A muslim never admits he or she is wrong. Look at yourself for example.

//then ill give u a car, or ill make u a car. Not joking. How about that? //
Typical materialistic muslim mindset.

//and u cant answer where 0 and 1 to answer nizams question, dont u wanna help him?//
If Nizam asks me, he would. The point I am responding to at present doesn't require it to be answered. Rest assured that the number system, including 0 and 1 weren't invented by the Arabians :-).

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Did you get master degree instantly by bribing without process? //
How I got my masters is none of your business and it doesn't matter.

//The site couldnt bring full article or full books here.//
I didn't ask for full article, but simple questions. Questions that you can't or won't answer. Anyway the answer is that joker's considerations are abject scientific failures. He just assumes that "affairs" are light particle and second he lies about the Arabian Lunar Calender having sidereal months while they are synodic months. The whole calculation changes drastically if we replace sidereal by synodic.
In fact we assume the these "affairs" are indeed light particles with which that dumb Allah works/communicates then it implies that he is stationed just about the edge of this solar system.. not very far you know:-).. It also means that since his light takes 1000 Lunar years (of 12 sidereal months each) so he isn't omnipresent but suffers from a delay!!! If a muslim is in distress and is praying for intervention, he is doomed since it is going to take 1 day for Allah to direct his affairs and communicate!!

//And why still asking answered questions in book //
Because the answer to those questions might show you daylight. I am more merciful than your Allah you see!!

//still not answering my questions about 0 and 1 also ur belief?//
Because both the questions aren't related with the topic.

//and not brave enough?//
You aren't brave enough to answer my questions. 

narcole1919721 says:

Aw i was talking about chucky menu for junk food u always eat. Rude. Forget what? So ur here not for ur belief but someone paid you? 🙂

ihateislam says:

Chuck,
Nice one there.

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
Ha ha… nice cut paste. "of your reckoning" leaves no doubt as to our understanding of the year as the lunar year. Very true. I said as much now in the Islamic Calender Lunar Year comprises of 12 synodic months. Not sidereal months!! Sidereal days are not directly observed and no Islamic calender is based on Sidereal days. So the basic premise itself is wrong. So you joker 'physician' makes 2 illogical jumps to come to his miracle: 1. sidereal day = length of 12000 revolutions of the moon around the earth. The average synodic month is about 2.2 days longer than the sidereal month.
2. a certain "cosmic affair" . Why should this be the speed of light. The verse has nothing to do with light, even the verses before and after it are not related any which way with light. So why this inference?

Muslims come with these garbage every now and then and they can be trashed just as easily. You think about point 1 and 2 and see where it leads you.

narcole1919721 says:

Chucky is a chicken 😉

narcole1919721 says:

If ur a christian ill explain with bible, if ur hindu/budha ill explain ur script. If ur a physician or physicist pffft ill explain using ur field. But you still afraid to tell ur belief, why? Afraid me to find the flaws, and u already know the flaw but cant help it x'D

narcole1919721 says:

Omg you stll dnt get it. "GOD rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the earth. Then this affair travels, to Him (i.e. through the whole universe) in one day, where the measure is one thousand years of your reckoning"(32:5)the Quranic expression "of your reckoning" leaves no doubt as to our understanding of the year as the lunar year.The verse begins with a reference to a certain "cosmic affair" which GOD creates and commands. This affair travels, permanently through the whole universe between the heavens and the Earth, so speedily that it crosses in ONE DAY a maximum distance in space equivalent to that which the moon passes during ONE THOUSAND LUNAR YEAR (i.e. during 12000 Sidereal months). The question which pause.; itself now is: what could this cosmic affair be? and what is its greatest velocity as expressed in this Quranic equation?.To answer this question. The above Quranic verse has been understood** in terms of the following equation:Distance crossed in vacuum by the universal cosmic affair in Osle sidereal day = length of 12000 revolutions of the moon around the earth..:. Ct = 12000 L .

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Chuck,
She is most probably on the wrong side of 20 with anxiety bordering on frustration.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Chuck,
Ok buddy.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

How much have you disclosed about your muhammadan wretched self?

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Qadha is like written formula, and qadar is the value. Capisce?//
Ha ha .. doesn't matter what metaphor you use, if the 'formula' keeps on changing the inventor of such 'formulae' is a mighty big ignorant fellow.

//Lol how could i know what and who you are since ur either too coward or to shy to introduce what you are here//
I think I have already explained that it doesn't matter what view subscribe to. You can simply assume that I am not a Muslim.

//Lets analyze for each word then  yudabbiru al amra mina as samaa2i ila al ardhi thumma ya3ruju ilaihi fii yaumi kaana miqdaaruhuu alfa sanatin mimmaa ta3udduun.  Which word isnt clear to you? //
As foolish as always. I didn't say I have confusion regarding the verse. You have pointed some Egyptian  joker physician's (your poor knowledge of English, ought to have been 'physicist') discovery of speed of light in Quran. I read the article and found it to refer to Q 32:5 for its claim. So, if YOU have understood the article/book all so well you would be able to sustain a grilling from me. So the first question based on Q 32:5 is, it talks about 1000 years "of what you count", so what is the calender being referred to here in this verse. I maintain it is the Arabian Lunar calender of 12 synodic months. If you want to differ, state what it is with proper reasoning.

narcole1919721 says:

Qadha is like written formula, and qadar is the value. Capisce?

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Proved what? Lol that you dont know qadha qadar concept and cant differ?//
Proved that if it is Qadha thats written in 'the book' then Allah's knowledge is not perfect. If it is Qdar then the whole concept of Judgement Day is a mighty hoax. I know more about Qadha and Qadar than you can think off.

//Foolish, you dont understand yet than one day is from shubuh until isha//
You haven't answered the question. So stop pretending that you know anything off which you are talking.

//But you keep asking using which one.//
Yes, which one?

//If arabs use qamariah calendar n western use syamsiyah, the result still relative. Dumbo.//
Ha ha… don't get confused. The verse is talking about a specific calendar. Not all calendar because they will all lead to different results. If there is one dumb person here, we know who it is.

//you call urself physician x'D//
You don't even know the difference between a physician and a physicist. Pathetic really. And I didn't call me either 🙂

//Im giving you one last chance to prove whether u understand math or not. Now answer. Where does 0 come from, and where does 1 come from//
Another irrelevant question. But I can tell you that the Arabs didn't invent 0.

So lets get back to the point, in verse 32:5 which calender is being referred? 

narcole1919721 says:

Im giving you one last chance to prove whether u understand math or not. Now answer. Where does 0 come from, and where does 1 come from 😉

narcole1919721 says:

Mr chuck, sinas follower, is afraid to tell who and what he is. He is afraid. Awww

narcole1919721 says:

Proved what? Lol that you dont know qadha qadar concept and cant differ? x'D cchuckc..iis.a…a ..cow…cow…ward ..hhe..he..s af…af…raid…off..offf…m..mmmy..q.u…quest..tion  *-*

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Still ur avoiding cos afraid pffft chucky doll is a coward.//
You can assume whatever you want to assume. It carries no weight.

//dear before talking about year, you should now about day, before talking about day you should now about second. One day in islam is from shubuh until isha ends. //
Foolish again. I asked you in Q 32:5, "of what you count" refers to a period, which? Apparently this is the Lunar year (which I agree to), since thats what Arabian/Islamic calender is. It has 12 synodic months (measured as increasing and waxing phases of moon). Do you agree to this interpretation or not? If not, then give me proper reason for not accepting and the 'correct' interpretation.

//Two twins who live at same building, but the one who lives in higher position ages faster cos the time runs faster there for her.//
Not so fast dear. Wait till we get to that point. 

//Now answer my question, mr chucky *pock-pock* are you atheist//
You answer my question. I am not going to answer irrelevant questions providing you opportunity to digress and diverge the discussion.

By the way I have already proved in another thread that your Allah is not muqammal in his knowledge and in this discussion I am going to prove that his medium of communication is a quite slow one and is pretty useless.

narcole1919721 says:

Still ur avoiding cos afraid pffft chucky doll is a coward. 🙂 dear before talking about year, you should now about day, before talking about day you should now about second. One day in islam is from shubuh until isha ends. And do you know the relativity of time even at same place but different positions? Two twins who live at same building, but the one who lives in higher position ages faster cos the time runs faster there for her. Now answer my question, mr chucky *pock-pock* are you atheist 😉

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

cchuckc,
The character you are referring to is more slippery than an eel. The evasive and cynical manoeuvrings she makes to avoid issues may be good muhammadan scholarship to her and others in her group. To others who are sane, those moves amount to the scholarship of deceivers. It dates back to muhammadan antiquity. Remember that whenever Muhammad was cornered he would take refuge in the "revelation from allah" and start calling his questioners names or issued threats of hellfire. That is similar to what the woman is doing here. Instead of answering questions directly, she embarks on voyages to the unknown and then parrots her favorite cliche: IT IS NOT IN ARABIC.

cchuckc says:

@narcole1919721
//Didnt i tell you to read the physician book and tested?//
Foolish really. I asked you for a proof not a bunch load of trash. The proof you have furnished, can be easily trashed if you explain what is exactly meant by "a 1000 years of what you count" in Q 32:5. What denomination for a year is used in the Arabian Lunar calendar? Once you answer this a lot will be clear, something you clearly want to avoid.

//why not answering my question whether ur atheist or not? Shy? //
Noy shy, but I know that it carries no relevance with respect to what we are discussing here. It may be a habit with you to bring in irrelevant topics in discussion but it isn't my vocation. Thats why you will not find me asking questions regarding ethnicity, nationality or sect etc.

//no im not the first. You dont read alot//
Perhaps I don't. But speed is always measured as distance per unit time. 50000 years is only a time period. Elementary really.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

If that is what you call the instruction Muhammad left in his terror manual.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

The rubbish you follow.

Marathon says:

It says "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly."

I thought Freedom of expression was a right that was asked from Muslims and yet others are not being given that right here.

narcole1919721 says:

The site admin has stopped notification emails for me. Also hid recent intensedebate posts as if no new posts. Sly 🙂 

narcole1919721 says:

Your muhammadanism?

narcole1919721 says:

B.y.o.b asked, why dont presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor? Do you think sina is manly for sending the poor here? x'D

narcole1919721 says:

Didnt i tell you to read the physician book and tested? Did you? 😉 no im not the first. You dont read alot 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Avoid showing truth from bible? I wanna hear. Recite please 😉

Bond 008 says:

Muhammad was very impressed by Judaism. His Islam is an Arabized form of Judaism, which he imposed upon the Arabs. He adopted the idea of monotheistic God, ambulation, circumcision, fasting and prohibition of pig meat etc. from Judaism. Jewish Jehovah became his Allah. He also declared Jerusalem as Qibla of his prayers. He had even adopted Jewish Yom Kippur fasting, which he later discarded after discord arose with the Jews of Medina, and replaced it with fasting in Ramadan. He was highly impressed by Moses and adopted his tactic for establishing his kingdom. He was half Jewish in heart…………………..
.for the rest of the story, go to "  welcome to Islam watch.

Demsci says:

You are here more manly than most, because you are in opposition in minority, and you're taking many insult hits and still always come back. But Ali Sina is far more manly than you. He put his life on the line.

I speak my mind often enough but am also wise enough not to do it, when it gains me or others little and is disadvantageous to me and my relationships. Not afraid but careful of people's response. And I don;t think I know people who are NOT afraid of pain.

On the weak-strength continuum and the cowardly-courageous-line I suppose I am somewhere in the middle, average. Maybe you are too critical, even contemptuous on mankind's average.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

The world already knows that women, who have committed no offense whatsoever, are blown daily to pieces by jihadists/muhammadans/muslims on the orders of Muhammad which he left in his terror manual called the quran.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Muhammad, it was, who was so afraid of death that he prayed to allah to serve him from the agony of death. But allah, being deaf and dumb, could not hear him. If it heard, it refused to answer. So muhammad died as an evil doer that he was, according to his own quran which says that evil people will go through the agony of death.

chuck says:

@narcole1919721
//but also heaven calendar and angels calendar, capisce?//
So what is the heavens calendar? And what is an angels calendar? 

//Read dr mansoub hassab el naby's book, an egypt physician//
A physician? A doctor of medicine can't be trusted with a subject that deals with Physics. What you want me to do is go through stuffs like these:&nbsp ;http://theislamicworkplace.com/2010/04/04/miracle-calculating-the-speed-of-light-from-the-quran/
This has been refuted so many times that I am almost sick of doing the same stuff again. At the very basic you must tell me what is meant by "a 1000 years of what you count" in Q 32:5. Is this referring to lunar calendar of the king Arabians used to use then? Actually this verse has few scientific errors like "Ascending to him" (In extra terrestrial realm up and down has no meaning so 'ascending'  is a wrong usage)

//are you atheist?//
Doesn't matter.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Your quran is the beehive of lies.

narcole1919721 says:

Hmm..i got banned from other site for preaching to gays. So i wont be surprised if i get banned here 😉 but the world will know how coward and helpless you are just by censoring a womans speech 😉 

narcole1919721 says:

You dont now what you are? You are in confusion, man.

narcole1919721 says:

When did i support them? Ur dhal paraphrasing again.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Meanwhile, Muhammad the prophet of allah was epileptic. Whenever he had a fit he would claim to have had a 'revelation' and the illiterate Arabs did not know the difference between an epileptic attack and a trance. Some ignorant ones believed him. But a good number saw through the falsehood and called it what it was :a massive fraud. The conman did not hesitate to wreck his vengeance on anyone who challenged his lies.

Marathon says:

NDE = Someone almost died but actually did not die. During that time they had some mental processes in the brain, which they later recalled when they were conscious. Nothing "extraordinary" about it. You dont need a spirit or external consciousness for that.
You have no scientific backing for what you're saying. If you think "beliefs" are acceptable, I believe you are actually a mouse in human form.

chuck says:

@narcole1919721,
//1 day is 1000 years in heaven, which science has revealed that it equals speed of light.//
Please show us the proof.

//50000 years is angels speed. //
You are the first person who measures speed in years :-).

Demsci says:

//"You have no right to abuse my great Arabic ancestors. Jahil were the Indian, American & European''//

Oh, to you she has no right to abuse Arabs? But YOU do have the right to abuse the Indian, American & European? According to egoistic Islamic law? With the double standards?

According to Golden Rule and Democratic law she has every right to abuse those she disapproves of, as you have the right to abuse those you disapprove of.

Demsci says:

Well said, I can call you a Kafir in: Democratic rules,

and believing in wonderful, breath taking, modern, well substantiated (by brilliant minds, doing professional investigation and logical thinking) theories about history of earth and mankind. Satisfying to the highest possible diligent minds.

Or at least favoring that over much less substantiated, much less wonderful TALES, from ancient times. Yeah you are a KAFIR to that, closed-minded to that.

Demsci says:

Wow! Good of you to both earn that kind of money and donating it! Good riddance of your boyfriend. It gives you time to do your jihad and comment here and boost number of posts here. I think it gives a bit of meaning to your life.

And now we know that somehow you are under heavy pressure and considering moving because of it. You are at some sort of crossroads in your life, where important decisions have to be made. Why not overhaul your entire life and belief while you are at it?

I wish you success with it all!

Demsci says:

How you keep confirming what Ali Sina says about Islam and it's allah

You describe intimidation and blackmail by Allah (and thus of Muslims) for promoting "belief" and following Islam as overpowering search for highest truth with Brain, offering proof, honest competition with other religions, ways of life.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

"-AND MY BF LEFT ME FOR THINKING THATS STUPID–WHILE SUFFERING HERE BEING PUSHED BY ALL PEOPLE AROUND ME TO TAKE BACK THE MONEY AND SHARE WITH THEM. I HAVE TO MOVE TO OTHER PLACE COS OF THEIR TERROR".
It is now doubtless that your are psychologically imbalanced and the source of that is having been dumped, like a bad habit that you are, by your boy friend because of your eccentricity. Some days ago you were here telling the world that you let your 'bf' get a job while you prefer to complete your masters program. When did he dump you? Having to relocate means that you are a coward. Why could you not stay and face your adversaries, after all they were only against you giving out your own money? Don't those who opposed you know the muhammadan concept of zakat to mean "charity" or donation to terrorism? Your suffering is really getting the better part of you so, as I said before, you run to this site for psychological protection. POOR CHILD. YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHY.

chuck says:

@narcole1919721,
//You are also a racist, nizam. You said you are humanitarist? iblis is racist too.//
But so are you. You believe Arabic and the Arabs are superior to others. You also believe that off the 73 sects yours only is the correct one.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

You are the one growling like some ape.

Marathon says:

Allah Joketh to Muhammad that he is God. Al-Ham-Du-Beef,Chicken and Vegetables. When in fact Muhammad be a Liar to all humanity and just Kiddeth to you. Leaveth Islam today and join Humanity. Ali Sina And Richard Dawkins are the disposer of Affairs and the flushers of toilets and the Givers of Tips in fine restaurants. Lo! He knows everything.I mean, LOL, He doesnt know anything.

narcole1919721 says:

Muslim men do not? They dont support cos they still apply jahiliyah tradition before prophet came. even arab kings still apply jahiliyah traditions. They say they are moslems but they mix islam with jahil customs.

narcole1919721 says:

Fake democratic laws 🙂

Demsci says:

To be more precise; in many respects I can be a better person for you to agree with than Muslims who are worse in those respects than me. For instance I support full equality for women and women education. And I know many Muslim men (especially in Muslim countries) do NOT. And in this I am in full agreement with virtually all infidel posters here.

Demsci says:

OK, that 's your opinion of your prophet. Do you have empathy that followers & friends of Ali Sina & Robert Spencer etc. also have highly favorite opinion of them or of the causes they fight FOR?

Then can you see that those leaders and their followers are more tolerant than Mohammed and many Islamic leaders and clerics and ordinary Muslims? Those counterjihadist leaders & followers don't have deathpenalty for apostasy and they obey tolerant laws to all, except for Muslims and others who themselves have intolerant or anti-democratic laws.

narcole1919721 says:

Lol u live in africa. What have u done pfft

Demsci says:

If Ali Sina and atheists/ christians/ buddhists/ hindus/ jews here find the Islam-interpretations untrue or morally reprehensible, you at times unwittingly agree with that.  And then both they and you are in opposition to many dhal Muslims who find the same Islam-interpretations true and morally admirable.

Demsci says:

I disagree, but be that as it may;
– Slave of Prophet talked about Allah choosing the Arabs for being the most scientific when Muhammad received his mission; in 610 CE.
– And I talked about the modern period. Modern people better follow the modern winners, not the past winners.
– the scale of progress in modern times is so much bigger and faster than in the previous historical periods that it is unreasonable to treat them as equal in size, speed and influence I think.

Demsci says:

Of course you do not support Ali Sina or Robert Spencer consciously, no.

I meant you at times agree with, confirm and support them unwittingly. Like in your rejection of "Flat Earth", and morally reprehensible interpretations of texts in Quran-Hadiths-Sira. (Only you try to provide a different interpretation of same texts, they try to show how bad Islam is with these texts).

Demsci says:

Insults are legitimate under freedom of speech. for all sides. But limited to Internet, tv, newspapers-magazines, maybe conferences. They are not welcome on the streets, workplaces, in the homes, against people's will.

Other than that democratic people do not bite if not themselves attacked. It is more likely that you were brainwashed in Majlis Ta3lim to distrust ALL infidels. But your teachers told you that because of their interest in keeping you in Islam, and you in opposition to their competitors, the democratic people. You are too paranoid to the democratic people and too naive to your teachers. In part because you'r young.

Demsci says:

//"What you give is what you'll get. If a person insults someones mother, it means hes insulting his own mother.  cos other will insult his mother too. Its karma. By blackening prophets name, it means sina is blackening his own name."//

This may be wise in a context where people deliberately hurt the feelings of others.

But how about hating the bad? And reacting to the bad? You  think someone who says hateful things always started? You think Ali Sina started?

Freedom of speech is also about reacting to bad deeds, oppression and about exposure of bad people. IN A NON-VIOLENT WAY!

Free speech may be at times loathsome to you, but it is always better than physically hurting or killing people.

And when humans are behaving violent and oppressive to others, and free speech is blocked, history shows that victims had no other reaction available than either become subservient-apathetic or rise violently.

But the beauty of freedom of speech is that people can react to bad governments and people with words, instead of with apathy or violence. And it works, violence is indeed diminishing in democratic countries and between them, per capita. I read that in the book of Steven Pinker called "The better angels of our nature".

I know you don't believe this, but you now know why I think free speech including insulting is a very good policy and right of people.

chuck says:

@narcole1919721,
//i thought u knew the formulas.//
I didn't even get to any formula yet. I am asking you what you are considering as a day, Sidereal or Solar? They are different you know? Also when you say 1000 years what temporal denomination are you using. A solar or a lunar year and so forth. If you don't even know what these are what values will you put in your fictitious formulas? And then you have to consider that the current average values have changed over the millenia and they keep changing.

//Ur questions answered that time is relative.//
You say this a lot. As if you know what that means. Time is relative to what, in which frame of reference? I tell you, the subject is too complicated for you. 

//We were talking about one day on earth but you found urself confused one day on earth using which calendar.//
Off course. Its not a confusion, its a question. When you say a 'day; you have to tell me what denomination/calender you are using. All values are different from each other.

//50000 years for angels speed also like that//
Which years. Years from which calender?

Bond 008 says:

U don't think so, just because you are a muslim. Muslim doesn't trust muslim.

Bond 008 says:

Marathon, 
U are the real idiot. U cannot come to terms with the fact that human spirits do exist n are haunting houses. U dare not go n experience them yourself n keep talking BS here.  Without spirits there will be no such thing as NDE or rather TDE.

Sakat says:

OK you have every right to curse anybody as mad Mohammed has granted you the permission .I do not offended by it ha ha ha. I only wish to show the audience how your cussing tournament begin and i think i have achieved it ha ha ha.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Excellent. Judas is now a prophet of muhammadanism. So new prophets can be installed both live and posthumously after the premier impostor. People like Ghulam Ahmad and lately Rashad Khalifa also became prophets of muhammadanism.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Satan the prince of deception changed its name to allah and deceived the world that he was God. It appointed Muhammad its prophet and he is in hell now and on the day of resurrection all his followers will be led by him into everlasting doom. Allah/Muhammad says that it is the best deceiver.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

And as per this you are also making kufr so you also kafir, and everyone can ask to Slave of Prophet that Narcole is telling a lie about Quran or Not? Because he is also reading Arabic Quran and he never found earth is round but it is you who telling among us that my quran say earth is round.

Marathon says:

There is no scientific proof for a "spirit", neither for "God".

Marathon says:

Bond008, you're an idiot. I said NDE's exist. These are experience "near death". However a soul/spirit does not exist. – if you have any decent amount of IQ, you should understand those are two different things.
Ali said he will prove the existence of a soul/external consciousness in the future. I dont think that is true. We will see how he can do that.

Slave of Prophet says:

@Hate monger
Jesus  who was prophet   should have been followed by people till 7th century but after birth of Prophet Muhammad Jesus replaced by him. And Allah made a provision that from 7th century to the date of resurrection prophet Muhammad should be followed by all humans otherwise they will in eternal hell. But Christians still stuck to prophet Jesus which is gate of hellfire.

Slave of Prophet says:

@saket
Mad was your Buddha who never worshiped Allah and denied in the existence of Allah. Buddha, Gandhi, Einstein will be in eternal hell fire because they were non-believer. Allah can forgive all sins except non-belief in him & Prophet (PBUH).

narcole1919721 says:

So tell me, are you budhist, or atheist? Budhism isnt atheism 😉

Slave of Prophet says:

@narcole
Brother, Jesus which was mentioned by prophet(PBUH)  was a worshiper of Allah and prophet of his time. But Jesus as shown by Christians & non-believers like Ali Sina had  no existence. Bible we read today also corrupted. In Bible have you ever read Jesus worshiped Allah? That is why I said Jesus which is  portrayed by Christians and non-believers must be eternal hellfire for not worshiping Allah.

narcole1919721 says:

Btw ur last statement is only ur feeling 😉

narcole1919721 says:

Do you know why infidels are called kafir? Cos they hide seeds. You obviously hiding seeds now. Why only showing those, why not show the rest which related to the question of demsci about who brought science first? I did read that. But did i hide? Thanks for showing that you obviously hiding. About those statements, i wont deny that in moslems, there fasiqin and munafiqin. And i already explained that. But look the point here, you are hiding the truth that the west took science from moslems 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Oh my god, i thought u knew the formulas. But before doing calculation using which, at first you should know the formulas and variables values. Now, im asking basic, how many seconds is in one day? Sounds simple, but without knowing the real value we cant do the math and get real answer. 1 day is 1000 years in heaven. Back to the question which one day on earth which is 1000 years and related to speed of light? Ur questions answered that time is relative. 1 day here, and on other planets not same. We were talking about one day on earth but you found urself confused one day on earth using which calendar. 50000 years for angels speed also like that, using which dimension? Ur questions answered haters questions already. Capisce? 

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

That link says, among others, that as at the time of the muhammadan conquest of Spain,there was an already highly developed political and cultural system, courtesy of the Roman period. It goes on to add: "AN ARAB GENERAL, TARIQ, WAS SENT INTO SPAIN WITH A FORCE OF UNRULY NORTH AFRICAN BERBERS—BY THE SAME TOKEN, THE MOORISH CONQUEST AND ITS AFTERMATH TO c800 SEEM TO HAVE BEEN A FAIRLY DESTRUCTIVE AND CHAOTIC PERIOD IN SPANISH HISTORY–THUS THEY(BERBERS) OFTEN PLUNDERED AND DESTROYED AT WILL—THE ARAB RULERS AND OFFICERS TREATED THE BERBERS AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, TAKING THE BEST LANDS AND LIONS' SHARE OF THE PLUNDER THEMSELVES".

allah says:

celibacy?? thou shall not forget Mary .. who was a virgin (probably)

narcole1919721 says:

So ur bible is inventor of lies? 😉

Slave of prophet says:

@Narcole
____See how infidels laughing at you______
Infidels laughed on my prophet Muhammad (PBUH) too. They had to pay for this. How many  pagans  now in Arbia land? I do not get in their influence. Allah  was aware about it that is why he sent the revelation to prophet "dont keep company  of unbelievers."
//You said jesus will burn in hell//
I meant to the Jesus which is popular now in Christians. Can you cite single verse where Jesus read Shahada/Kalama? How can be he in heaven without worshiping Allah?
//i wont blame sina or others for insulting such dhal moslems//
You wont blame because you are in their influence. You are doing exact opposite what prophet said. If today science claiming earth is round you twisted the meaning of Quran words and mixed the tone with non-believers. If yesterday non-believer say earth is flat you will claim earth is flat mentioned in Quran too. You are a sheep.
//But please specify which moslem//
Muslims are those who have devout belief in prophet Muhammad, Allah and Quran.
//I dont know whos ur prophet//
How many were the last prophet? I think you do not  know even prophet Muhammad who was the last prophet sent by almighty Allah.

narcole1919721 says:

Lol i see atheists here are the mad men throwing stone at people. 

narcole1919721 says:

See that you admitted that 1 day is relative too in physics. Nice questions. You answered the questions already  🙂  ya ayyuhan nafsul muthma2innah. Irji3i ila rabbiki radhiyatan mardhiyyah. Fadkhuli fii 3ibadii, wadkhuli jannatii 😉

narcole1919721 says:

Cos followed by you 😉

narcole1919721 says:

Iqra2 my dear. Stop mumbling

Slave of prophet says:

@Challange to Ali Sina US$ 100000
Ali Sina I do not give much weight your debates with non-Arabic Muslim scholars. I do not think you have had ever debate with any true Arab's decedent. I openly challenge you to refute me. It is I who will give you 100000 US$ if you win and you do not need to give anything to me If you loose. My claims are Islam is only true religion, Quran is only holy book in the world, Prophet Muhammad was a holy man, a saint, a scientist, a philosopher, a philanthropist, a brave warier, world greatest person ever born. 

Note: This challenge only to Ali Sina

narcole1919721 says:

Theres no taquiya in my sect. And im not follower of robert spencer. Keep paraphrasing, but you wont change my heart and mind.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

The science of murder and theft. The science of zamzam water. The illiterate muslims who could not write and had to destroy advance cultures to make way for their backwardness. Where were they when the "infidels killed them"?

narcole1919721 says:

17th-20th century? Read moslem civilization in spain (711-1492) what ur bragging about came from here. http://www.flowofhistory.com/units/asia/6/fc46b

Demsci says:

//"Did you critisize islam when ur among them? Did you have the guts?"// O yes, and guts enough. But the problem was that the Muslims I talked soon got angry with me, so I had to learn to avoid the topic of discussing Islam in a critical way (or Israel in a favorable way) or face continuous enmity from them. Same with fellow Westerners who defended Islam.

At times Muslims and Political Correct people were prepared to discuss Islam critically with me, but then they always quit. I often knew more than they and they really did not want to go in all the details necessary to get to a sound conclusion.

Demsci says:

Congratulations, Narcole. You have reached a GREAT conclusion. Robert Spencer on JihadWatch is already joking almost every day that AGAIN he found some Muslims who MISUNDERSTOOD ISLAM as explained to the world by Islam-apologists. Interpreting verses of Quran-Hadiths-Sira on laws and tenets in Islam, in agreement with "islamophobes" like him, and disagreement with Islam-apologists.

Why do Muslims disagree? Is it genuine difference or because of Taqqiya to infidels by the Islam-apologists? At least it is great that Narcole now also see this disagreement.

narcole1919721 says:

You know, sweets can give toothache. No, thank you.

narcole1919721 says:

The best for monkey thinking.

Demsci says:

Well, about the origine of science we can agree to disagree, but there can be no doubt, in which part of the world, science started to rise to great heights in the 17th until the 20th century, dwarfing all previous science and a shining example for all mankind. And that part of the World was the West!

And Muslims prophited greatly from that, but still they could have learned so much more from the West, in democracy too, while now many Islamic countries fell or stayed behind in development, like the UN reported in 2003 or so.

Countries like Japan and Israel did learn from the West and they are very prosperous now. Israel is investing the most per capita in research & development of the world and really shines against the darkness of Islamic countries around her.

Here is the link to Ibrahim Buleihi, explaining that arrogant Arabs think they only have something to teach the world, not to learn from it, while by learning to follow the example of the West they could be like Japan and Israel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0CeResVB4

narcole1919721 says:

That cos he didnt read quran completely. Quran did explain that shouldnt be friends with zalim infidels. But should live in peace with innocent infidels, and protect innocent infidels if they seek sanctuary from moslems.  but islam also teaches moslems not to split with moslems who got misled, but guide them instead.  but if they are too stubborn and cocky in defending their pride instead of defending islam itself, then thats where we should split. I dont know whether slave is too cocky and stubborn to accept 3lm from a woman.

narcole1919721 says:

How many moslems think like him? Many. And how many like me? Many too. You just didnt meet yet. Good that you met me. Thank god.

narcole1919721 says:

And i dont see you as good infidel yet. Cos ur with bad infidels. 

chuck says:

@narcole1919721,
//i wanna test chuck later too. Whether he is really a master of physics//
You are yet to answer me about the nature of the years (Sidereal, Lunar etc) and the days I have asked for yesterday!!
I understand physics, yes, and anything that has to with Mathematics. 

narcole1919721 says:

Dont tell me you dont know that bush invaded iraq for mountain of gold under eufrat river.

narcole1919721 says:

Oh, reminded me to someone who edited his own writing after somene saw his flaw.

Demsci says:

"Oh, Narcole, look then at the other infidels", the political correct ones". They have so much more "sweet tongue" to you Muslims. Many of them, especially the Left, but also in my family, among my colleagues, support you Muslims against us.

I am just someone in between "political-correct, nice-to-Muslims"people and Counterjihadists. Of course then I write with a mixture of respect and criticism. My own mayor is Muslim, I live in Rotterdam, with 600.000 people, with 100.000 Muslims. I am surrounded by Muslims almost everyday, everywhere.

How can you or people here expect me here not to respectfully speak to Muslims then?
Yet, how can people expect me not to criticize Islam at the same time? If I have the opinion that Islam (at least a part of it) is in competition with both Darwinism and Democracy, which I love?

Demsci says:

//"If robert spencer and other minority say this and that, but my sect says the opposite, cos my quran isnt like what you say, so what?"//

But Narcole, don't you see? YOU, in being in contradiction with another group of Muslims on explanations of holy texts means that YOU are in agreement with Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and posters here.

Because you disagree with the counterjihadists  that verses of Quran-Hadiths-Sira mean something they say these texts mean,

but you do that because you AGREE with them that these meanings would EMBARRASS Islam/ Mohammed/ Muslims if they were true. So you do agree with Ali Sina  et al about the "badness"  of the explanations Ali Sina et al ascribe to some Holy texts, you only disagree that these texts MEAN those explanations.

But Slave of Prophet agrees that those texts have the meanings Ali Sina et al believe they have, only Slave of Prophet believes them to be "good" and Ali Sina et al believe them to be "bad".

And how many Muslims think like Slave of Prophet?

Demsci says:

//"Im only with good moslems. And with good infidels live together in peace."//

That says NOTHING! The point is that you at times should side with GOOD INFIDELS against BAD Muslims. You enjoyed education, you should be on that point with infidels heavily investing and practicing education for girls and you should be against Taliban who shot Malalah Jusufzai

If you do will you really get devoured by "alligators"?!

Demsci says:

" In the eyes of Allah non-believers are worst of creatures. Allah guided us  
"O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as your protecting friends (auliya): they are only protecting friends of one another. Whoever of you disobeys this commandment will be counted as one of them. Surely God does not guide the wrongdoers." (Qur’an; 5:51) "

Slave of prophet is agreeing with Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, David Wood and many posters here again!

Mind you, he is in favor of the practice of this guidance of Allah, Quran 5;51 and they are exposing that guidance and  practice as bad. But Slave of Prophet AGREES with Ali Sina et al about the MEANING of this verse. And he got his opinion from Arabic texts. But according to Narcole he must be Dhal (Dull?).

And so Slave of Prophet goes against so many Islam-apologists, like Shabeer here, his fellow Indian, who declares mighty at length that that verse was only meant for the time of Mohammed.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

"YOU ARE JUST MUMBLING". An addition to the lexicon.

Demsci says:

"Which islam?" Yes, yes, I too think there is great diversity among Muslims, about interpretation of Quran-Hadiths-Sira on many issues, so there could be "many Islam's". You are helping me with that. Many Muslims and counterjihadists maintain there is only ONE Islam. Recep Tayyip Erdogan also said that there is "only one Islam".

Daniel Pipes and many others distinquish between Ordinary Muslims and Islamists and he is definitely against the "Islam-interpretation- and practice" of the Islamists. But to date not much evidence arises to support Pipes' his hope that "Islam can reform" and become compatible  with democracy, UNdeclaration of Human Rights, Golden Rule. Some democratic Muslims do exist (like Zuhdi Jasser and Irshad Manji, Tarek Fatah), but they have little support. I bet you, Narcole,  would not trust them and call them "alligators" offering you to protect you from tigers".

Yet, by not supporting them Muslims more or less prove Ali Sina right and so support him. And also Anjem Choudary.

Demsci says:

//"But you cant deny that theres limit of democracy in life"// I admit that. But I think it is the best system mankind so far has. Are you sure your sect can't come over to us? Democracy can tolerate (most of) Islam if Islam can tolerate democracy over Muslims.

Ali Sina says:

That is the miracle of Islam. Islam can be anything Muslims want it to be. It all depends on situations. Muhammad himself was apt at this situational ethics. He revealed verses for the moment and revealed something entirely different for another situation, allowing Muslims to pick and choose any verse they want for the situation that they need. If this is not a miracle then what is?

Demsci says:

//"Why doesnt west itself give democracy for moslems? You betray your own democracy."//

It is a matter of policy to give Muslims in any democratic state absolute equal rights under the law as all other citizens. And Muslims got plenty "political correct" Western defenders to assure this.

But in Islamic countries the people seem somehow not yet "ready for democracy" as George Bush discovered in Iraq. High enough Education and free press and perhaps long practice seem essential for democracy without which people are not ready for it, it seems. But George Bush thought he could blow Saddam and bring Democracy to Iraq.

When Soviet Union existed the West could often only choose to let a country be dictatorial and for the Soviet Union or dictatorial and for the West. The Soviet Union almost never supported any democracy, the West supported many (they made West Germany and Japan democracies). After 1991 (fall of Soviet Union) The West supported and supports more and more democracies.

But yes, sadly there are examples that Western corporations and governments at times have cynically betrayed democracy. Traitors! But not as much and as widespread as many Muslims say, I think.

Demsci says:

//"Can islam have democracy in determining its laws too?"// Well, Nonnie Darwish explained to us that shariah law really has 40 laws or tenets which are contradicting the full demcratic system, as shown in the US constitution.

Not all 40 may be valid for all Muslims, and perhaps you don't follow a lot of these laws/ tenets, but in Islamic books and sermons many of them are supported and mandated by professional popular Islamic teachers in Islamic countries, in past and present.

Daniel Pipes said the biggest problems: Islam has laws against equality of men and women, and of believers and unbelievers. And against freedom of speech. And the worst; The deathpenalty for apostasy!

chuck says:

@narcole1919721,
//1 day is 1000 years in heaven//
Which kind of 1 day? Sidereal or Solar Earth Day? Which kind of 1000 years, Sidereal year, Solar year, or Lunar year. If Lunar, then do you consider the year to compose of 12 synodic or anomalistic or sidereal or tropical or draconic lunar months? Do you consider an average duration or would you consider the historical corrections that must be required because of the 'drift' over several millenia?

//We think that its infidels who dont use aqal but use nafs instead.//
Ha ha.. what we infidels have is called nafs-i-mutma'inna. Yes its a nafs.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

You are looking for converts to enable you win prizes. You have missed the mark by light years.

narcole1919721 says:

Lol why dont you convert to his islam then if you think hes right. Lol i wnt mind 

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

1ooo years and 50,000 years make one allah's day, I would rather remain uneducated than learn muhammadan physics which is contrary to every law of science. You are an inventor of lies just like Muhammad. Where does the quran give the speed of angels as 50,000? Point out where the quran uses the word 'science'. You are looking up to Chuck for assistance.

Sakat says:

May be he belongs to another sect of Islam ,may be he is understanding Islam in right way ,May be you are making lot of amendments to Qur'an which is prohibited (blasphemy) in Islam.So his anger against you is quiet natural.Poor fellow he don't understand you are playing Taquiya to fool infidels(which is not possible)

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

It is not. But your presence has the potential to conterminate it.

narcole1919721 says:

Oh now using hindu account? whats ur purpose?

narcole1919721 says:

No need. Its already.

narcole1919721 says:

1 day is 1000 years in heaven, which science has revealed that it equals speed of light. Learn physics okay, or ask chuck. 1 day isnt 50000 years, 50000 years is angels speed. Okay who are you to understand this. Im sorry you arent educated enough. 

narcole1919721 says:

Oh okay, water and oil are same to you. Okay. Why dont you drink 2 litres of oil everyday and fry using water. Enjoy.

narcole1919721 says:

Whats the use im here defending islam and moslems, while moslems themselves ruining islam.  read that sina said he doesnt hate moslems, but hates islam. Why? Cos he thinks its islam who taught all the wrong. In fact its the moslems themselves who misunderstood islam.

narcole1919721 says:

You are also funny. Do you think i dont know who you are? Stop disguising.

narcole1919721 says:

To mukmins, reading one ayat very carefully and understand its meaning is more important than reading whole quran but not understand any! Do you know that doing real tafakur for one minute is more valuable than doing ibadah for 1000 months?

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"Didnt i tell the root of kufur word means” No Everyone should know what kufr is? and how many kufr are in Islam? Even Prophet Muhammad does the kufr then what problem with us. The Kufr of Prophet Muhammad   Kufr ul-Istihal: Disbelief out of trying to make haram into halal. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (haram) like alcohol or adultery. Only Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, has the prerogative to make things halal and haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.====>Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Read this and it will be clear to all of you Mohammad also made Haram into Halal. He is also a kafir. All Muslims are following a kafir and claiming others one kafir kafir.  Yes I've no guts right now to tell my parents but now this is youth era not the old era so our believe has been changed not the person who have to take rest. They have completed their’s duty and you can see my wife and my child is with me.   

materialist10 says:

"but more studies are required to increase probabilities." Parnia's  AWARE Project asks cardiac arrest patients who experience a NDE to recall hidden pictures placed above their bed. It would only take 1 patient to correctly say what they saw to prove it. It would not take years more of study to "increase probability". So you are clearly talking nonsense.

"non-physical beliefs" What on earth are "non-physical beliefs"?

"the beliefs of the patient presupposes the physical changes of the body." Placebo effect might work in some things, but when a person needs genuine medical attention then giving them placebo can be deadly. 

Slave of prophet says:

@narcole
I have read Holy Quran more than 100 times since childhood. Now I am getting new things from you. Can you give verse which says earth is round? You are in the influence of non-believers. I am noticing in the influence of non-believers  fool Muslim  like you mixing tone with them.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

What a woeful attempt at the laundry of a horribly dirty image. He gave instructions for a handicapped nursing mother to be killed in the midst of her children. He gave orders for Kaa'b to be lured from his home and killed. On re-entering Mecca he ordered for people who were against him to be killed and one of them was murdered while holding on to the curtain of the kaaba. Two sisters were killed as he ordered. Yes, when people 'insulted him' he did not respond verbally but did so with the sword. There was one hell of a "good natured prophet".

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Iblis is as racist as Muhammad who considered that an Ethiopian has a "head like raisin".

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

To pollute this site.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

It is the usual muhammadan trick. Even when quoted in arabic, there will be some reason to reject the quotation as not coming from the proper source or that the meaning given is wrong or that the scholars do not agree with the meaning given. It is dancing in a circle with a muhammadan because there is neither authenticity nor usefulness in the quran. So some trick must be devised to protect it. That book of hate and terror was written for the wild arabs.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear Slave of Prophet you will also gain dare when you will accept truths, for saying truth there is not fear today you will shut my mouth but tomorrow your child will ask. And that time you have only two ways first you tell a lie or second one is truth.  

Slave of prophet says:

Who drew the red line first. They were ancient Indian (Aryan people) . This red line was   Arya Vs. Anarya. Read Veda which openly say kill the Anaryas. Veda instruct the king do not allow Anarya to live in the state. Hindu Veda making people get out from the state  just because they were Anarya.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Not like Prophet Muhammad who draw a red line between believers and non-believers and teach the Muslims that they are not your friend, not participate in his/her any company. I don't like that I born in India and there is a philosophy of India अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् | उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् this one is a relative; this other one is a stranger" is for the mean-minded. For those who're known as magnanimous, the entire world constitutes but a family. I've forget this philosophy to born in India due to Islam because Islam strictly instruct followers to not read except Quran. And this philosphy will really keep us far away from bloodshed.

Sanatan Dharma says:

@Narcole
What is Quran in actuality? Quran is divine knowledge or some words written in Arabic?  Please keep brevity & clarity in your answers.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

@Narcole
By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom, 36:2
By the (Steeds) that run, with panting (breath),100"1
And strike sparks of fire,100:2
O my people! this is the she-camel of God and a sign unto you 11:64

narcole1919721 says:

You are a hypocrite. Go tell this first to your family and ur people. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

I don't believe and also want that no one live his/her life in fear of a simple imaginary horrible world that really made the life of human being best to worst. This unknown fear and ignorance killed million of people. so I don't want these all things also repeat.

narcole1919721 says:

I didnt see any of what you said is true. Cos you are not a honest person to your own self, also to other people. What you said about islam never been found in my majlis ta3lim. Before you see someones flaw from distance, why dont you take a look at your self in the mirror first?

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

The Great hypocrisy on the earth is Islam. What it say and again make it false with its teaching, I've already mentioned that If Allah is creator of this universe he know everything well but he don't know a little bit about this universe. If he send Quran then there is no need to take oath of Quran, sometimes he take the oath of City (Mecca), sometimes he take oath of By the (Steeds) that run, with panting (breath),And strike sparks of fire,
and many more what is need to say like. This seems the quotes of mad & crazy otherwise why allah take oath of own creation if he take oath of own creation then why not he take again oath of Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham and others Prophet. Sometimes Allah said to the believers I will forgive you sometimes said you will put you in hell fire. O my people! this is the she-camel of God and a sign unto you. Is this the sign of Allah then anyone also send a camel in another country and say this is the sign of myself. This is only childish talk.

Phoenix says:

In other words this study has no evidence that the mind can exist independently of the body. "
No,in other words,it says the results they have so far favors the experimenters but more studies are required to increase probabilities.That's exactly how empirical evidence is established.
=======
Obviously the mind can affect the body, I don't remember arguing that it couldn't."
Oh really?…so you accpet that intangible/non-physical beliefs can drastically influence the tangible/physical body?
The point I was trying to make is that in the concept of the placebo effect,the beliefs of the patient presupposes the physical changes of the body.In other words,in that scenario,the beliefs are primary not secondary.

narcole1919721 says:

But none graduates x'D how could none do that? x')

narcole1919721 says:

Which islam?

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"Allah himself declares in holy quran non-believers are worst of creature" And it is Allah for worst creation. He made partiality, this is proved & we have not any justification about his justice.

narcole1919721 says:

You are also a racist, nizam. You said you are humanitarist? iblis is racist too.

narcole1919721 says:

Oh god, racist.

narcole1919721 says:

You, as darwinist, doesnt god give you enough democracy until now to speak as you like? But you cant deny that theres limit of democracy in life. Death will take away your democracy in the end. Enjoy your democracy well now.

narcole1919721 says:

Ur a coward sakat pffft

narcole1919721 says:

But you dont have tv channel to monitor good deeds of moslems right, huh. You cant count, and it wont sell much. I know.

Slave of Prophet says:

@Nizamuddin Sheikh
Allah himself declares in holy quran non-believers are worst of creature. How so much you build fake polls of Indian & European civilization they can not be true. In the eyes of Allah non-believers are worst of creatures. Allah guided us 
"O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as your protecting friends (auliya): they are only protecting friends of one another. Whoever of you disobeys this commandment will be counted as one of them. Surely God does not guide the wrongdoers." (Qur’an; 5:51)
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Ibn Abbas (RA) said, Ali (RA) said: "I feel cool breeze from Hind." Mustadrak Al-Haakim Hadith 3954. Hakim said, 'This Hadith is Sahih on the conditions of [Sahih] Muslim.'  
Narrated Um Qais bint Mihsan: I heard the Prophet saying, "Treat with the Indian incense, for it has healing for seven diseases; it is to be sniffed by one having throat trouble, and to be put into one side of the mouth of one suffering from pleurisy." Once I went to Allah's Apostle with a son of mine who would not eat any food, and the boy passed urine on him whereupon he asked for some water and sprinkled it over the place of urine. sahih bukhari Book #71, Hadith #596)If Indians are jahil means uncivilized then why you lovely prophet said like that. Because Uncivilized always be dirty their living standard is not good, therir habit is also bad, wore or worst, but he is felt a cool breeze, because Indians are more civilized  and Indus valley civilization is one of the oldest civilization of world.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Slave mentality,
You have already said that her posts are irrelevant because she is a grand liar. As for your ancestors, science was anathema to them. The two were like water and oil which ordinarily never mix.

Slave of Prophet says:

@Demsci
I never agree with Ali Sina, non-believers and modern science which claims earth is egg shaped. Today's science is making fool of people and against Quran. I will say it pseudo science. Quran nowhere says earth is egg shaped. But today scientist and apostate like Ali Sina believe earth is egg shaped which is unislamic in the eyes of Allah. Not believing in Allah is gate of eternal hell-fire. 

Demsci says:

"Keep mumbling. You never attend majlis ta3lim. Only copy paste sina and haters writings. You dont know arabic, never read nor recited quran arabic, never read arabic hadith,"

But there are apostates who can read Arabic, like Wafa Sultan, who informed Sina et al. And also, we have MEMRI TV, international media, internet. And it is Muslims (knowing Quran-Hadiths-Sira in Arabic well) themselves that draw the same conclusions as the apostates, anti-Islam-activists about quran-hadiths-sira. Only the Muslims are in favor of the meaning of the conclusions and the anti-Islam-activists are against that meaning, but they often agree on the meaning, together disagreeing with the Islam-apologists! Slave of Prophet with his belief in flat earth was a case in point the other day.

And you KNOW Muslims are divided. And like a Mutazilite you use reason. Can't a part of Muslims not ally with the West and practice democracy? With freedom of speech (which you use here)?

Demsci says:

OK, we can agree to disagree on this point then.

But I still like to point out that God has been inactive for a very long period. The time-lag between the very latest prophet and judgment is already 1400 years and counting. Will Muslims wait another 1000 years if judgement day won't come?

Bond 008 says:

 You tube again at "The Most Compelling Evidence Of Life After Death". 
Afterlife TV with Bob Olson Afterlife TV with Bob Olson·

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

" Ask nizam, hes a kafir too, while his old family still moslems. Nizam can answer why hes kafir. Ask nizam to ask their parents why still moslems."  How many kufr are in Islam I've already mentioned in the "Day of Judgment" And all of us can analyze that everyone is making kufr and being kafir, even if Sister Narcole, Brother Shabeer, Brohter Shabeer Hasan, Brother Slave of prophet and we all are but if telling truth is kufr then I've no problem and think you all have also not problem. Because Allah says earth is flat but we know earth is round this is the kufr. And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction. but we know sea cucumber and other animal are also who is not in pair. so it is Allah who who teach us to tell a lie and praise his lie if telling truth is kufr we all will do.  My Parents are old theirs age is 58 and 54 years now this is not his age that I can argue with them and try if I will try It might be they feel guilty that what did i do in my whole life I born in a religion that is based on lie and this will be very hard for them because my father will understand all these things but mother has got only Qurannic education so she could not get all these things. 

Bond 008 says:

Dear all,
Go to you tube and watch : Muslim Millionaire Tells His Near Death Experience. 

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Muhammadans are always hungry for blood. What happened at Woolwich was a flagrant abuse of hospitality which muhammadans always show. Let it be a lesson to every community not to allow itself to be infested by these bloodthirsty demons. There should be no pity for or generosity to a muhammadan.

Marathon says:

So NDE's are valid. Its a near death experience – somoene who is close to dying, his brain goes crazy and they have some experiences. But it does NOT imply "existence of a soul" or consciousness that can exist outside the human body. Those claims are false. From Wikipedia:
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Criticism of NDE as proof for "afterlife" or "a soul" outside the brain

Skeptics argue that what some scientists regard as NDEs is based on the false deduction that the brain of a patient is inactive, while no proper brain activity scans have been performed. They view NDEs as poorly studied biological and chemical phenomena occurring in the brain. They argue that NDE could possibly be explained by purely physiological and neurobiological mechanisms that could be better understood through advances in neuroimaging and neuroscience in general.

There are three arguments in support of such criticism. First, the NDE could just as easily have occurred before or after any state resembling brain death. There is no way to verify the timing of memory formation relative to brain scans when the patient is not conscious.[101] Second, it is very difficult to verify that there was in fact no measurable brain activity. There are many types of brain activity and they require different types of tests to verify them. Most of these types of tests are not typically performed when a patient is undergoing attempts at emergency resuscitation. It is entirely possible, for example, that a patient showing no activity on an EEG scan could still have brain activity that would appear on an FMRI, PET, or catSCAN. In the words of Dr. Mark Cohen, a neuroimaging researcher at UCLA: "The EEG can appear flat even in the presence of high activity, when that activity is not synchronous. For example, the EEG flattens in regions involved in direct task processing. This phenomenon is known as event-related desynchronization."[102][unreliable source?] Third, the experiences reported by NDE subjects have also been reported by other patients whose experiences had known triggers (mostly chemicals of a psychedelic nature.) The chemical processes that happen in a brain under oxygen deprivation are known to share some characteristics with the effects of psychoactive substances.

The NDE is often cited as evidence for the existence of the human soul and afterlife. However, the imagery in the experiences varies within cultures.[103][104][105] Some view NDEs as a proof for heaven and hell, which appear in Christian and Islamic religious traditions, but those concepts do not apply to all religions. For example, Placide Tempels (a Belgian missionary) states that "most African peoples believe that rewards and punishments come to people in this life and not in the hereafter. In the land of the departed, what happens there happens automatically, irrespective of a person's earthly behavior"
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Please note the 3 criticisms of these claims above. Ali, please deal with these criticism in your next article and provide scientific evidence in support of "consciousness existing outside the human body".

Other relevant links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_after_… (THIS ONE should definitely be studied and responded to) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation_resear…

We need science. We don't need "beliefs" that have no scientific basis.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

So he did not join them because of his popularity and respectability in the society. Only ruffians such as Hamza were attracted to Muhammad.That figures.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

So is the killing appetite of the majlis ta3lim murderous graduates.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

You probably will blame your incoherence on "your period again" because what you posted makes no sense. I do not recall "speaking about quran in arabic".

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

That passage is self explanatory. It does not require explanation. The angels and Spirit descend in one day which is the length of 50,000 years. There is no mention of malaikat to reach its destination. Don't read into the verse what is not there.

Demsci says:

It's a good deal.
إنها صفقة جيدة.
All right. It's a deal.
حسناً إتّفقنا.

narcole1919721 says:

Everything xD

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Omission: Between the words "THOUSAND (1,000) and "IN", insert "YEARS". To read :"A THOUSAND (1,000) YEARS IN ".

narcole1919721 says:

They cant graduate majlis ta3lim. Majlis ta3lim is unlimited x'D liar pfft

narcole1919721 says:

I asked, in which language 😉

narcole1919721 says:

http://www.islamicity.com/Science/960703A.SHTML About quran 70:1, it didnt say 1 day in heaven means 50000 years on heaven. It said, it took 50000 years for malaikat to reach destination.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Muttaqin means mosquito.

narcole1919721 says:

Im only with good moslems. And with good infidels live together in peace. I wont be with alligator who says he wants to save me from tiger.

narcole1919721 says:

Keep mumbling. You never attend majlis ta3lim. Only copy paste sina and haters writings. You dont know arabic, never read nor recited quran arabic, never read arabic hadith, and never read 3lm how to differ which is real hadith, which is strong/weak hadith, and which is fake hadith. Never met prophet and never met real nice moslems. Keep mumbling.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Your prophet and muhammadanism are filth. I cannot like them.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Sura 22: 46 " EACH DAY WITH YOUR LORD IS LIKE A THOUSAND (1,000) IN YOUR RECKONING".
Sura 70:1"TO HIM THE ANGELS AND SPIRIT ASCEND IN ONE DAY; THE MEASURE OF WHICH IS FIFTY THOUSAND (50,000) YEARS".
Read the inconsistency in determining the length of one day in whatever language you choose. The meaning remains the same.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Sorry, the above post is to 'DEMSCI'.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Sakat,
Thanks. But I am just learning. You know, as they say, there is no end to the learning process. That is why I spend much time reading that filthy stuff so that nobody tries to blindfold me as charcoal/narcotics is doing by always claiming that quoted passages are not in their literature until read in arabic. Somebody who is not familiar with the particular text might be tempted to fall for her deceit.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

He defended them because of the blood link only.

Demsci says:

I-Hate-Islam, Slave of Prophet accused Narcole of following non-Muslims on their, say, "theories or propaganda or ideology". But ironically it was Narcole, like a good Islam-apologist, who disagreed with counterjihadists like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, David Woods etc.that the Quran stated and meant that the earth was flat,

while it was Slave of Prophet who, as a devout Muslim, following devout Saudi translators of Quran, who confirmed the counterjihadists! (only Slave believed Earth really is flat, and the quran is accurate/ true, while the counterjihadist point to this flat-earth-description as evidence of  an embarrassing scientific fault in the Quran, as Narcole understood).

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

"-ARABS LIKE PROPHET AND HIS FAMILY –WERE THE BEST —COS OF THEIR DEEDS"
Such deeds as Fatima(Muhammad's favorite daughter) not speaking to Abu Bakr (Muhammad's father in-law) for 6 months till she died. Perhaps the "good deeds" of Ali (Muhammad's cousin) and Aisha (Muhammad's favorite wife) going to war which led to 10,000 people being slaughtered at the end of it. Or the " deed" of Abu Bakr and Aisha tormenting Fatima to her untimely death. It should also be mentioned how the " deeds" made Ali to bury Fatima in the night without informing the reigning caliph. Those indeed, were perfect examples of the muhammadan " deeds".

narcole1919721 says:

Did he propose her and told her and her parents, may i rape you? What do you think her parents and herself think of goodness when proposed?

Demsci says:

" I did tell about jamaah who follow sunnah nabi. Not jamaah who follow dajjal politicians."

I hope many Muslims are like you and that that works out well for the infidels in the countries with Muslim minorities.

"Government only uses religion as excuse for them to gain support and power.: You may be wise in this. But the woolwich killer, Michael Adebolajo, clearly explained on the street that he was primarily loyal to his fellow Muslims and therefore so hostile to the West that he murdered one of their soldiers. As he was a 100 % British citizen, and as he was on the side of enemies of Britain where the soldier had fought, he clearly was a despicable traitor. Who long since should have emigrated to an Islamic country, to which he could be loyal too.

You seem to kind of neutral, which is better than traitor.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

"Majlis ta3lim is an asylum for lunatics. How can any sane person be found there?

narcole1919721 says:

A deal? What is a deal in arabic term ur trying to imply?

Sakat says:

Your sect is genuine follower of Mohammed then ,tell me how can you defend Mohammed marrying a six year old child when she is unaware of sex and he had passed well over his adulthood .

narcole1919721 says:

Dont blame you for cursing turnament? If ur an atheist, i wont question. Im questioning, is this what ur budha taught you to do? With such attitude. Just answer. 

Sakat says:

Have i said you have cursed Buddha? ,if you curse who i am to stop you ,because it is sanctioned in your religion to curse others .See we are not cursing your Prophet ,we simply highlighting the facts .If the facts go against your prophet you cant blame us ,ultimately it is your own documents we are refferring and not concocted one .If you feel Ali Sina has concocted any Haddith or sura of Quaran then you have every right to bring it to the notice of audience here ,this is a democratic site and ,democracy has equal opportunity for everyone ,just try and put your argument .Till then don't blame us for cursing tournament against your belief .

narcole1919721 says:

But when bad infidels about to attack them, his uncle defended them with his life as bet. 

narcole1919721 says:

Prophets uncle one day found prophet with his son ali doing sholat. And he asked, what the heck were you two doing before? They answered, they were doing sholat. And the uncle said, do whatever you like,  just dont ask me to follow what you do. And ali only could smile. They all lived in peace too. 

Demsci says:

"Following Mu7ammad, by holding  tight on Quran and Sunnah in right version. Dont forget to specify"

For a long time I indeed realise that the image of Mohammed among Muslims differs vastly from the image that counterjihadists have of him. So when I had lived contemporarily with Mohammed, Narcole imagines that I would have been impressed by a Mohammed living as her image of him. But I would still oppose such a man too, because of his anti-democratic political aims for mankind.

Narcole, how would you have been in Mohammed's time, as you are now?

Now and here you are critical and sceptic and dismissive to Ali Sina and us. Why would you nowhere be like that in Mohammed's time towards him? And would you be allowed to behave like that back then by him?

narcole1919721 says:

The term of budha means prophet itself. So you worship budha without knowing what budha means?

narcole1919721 says:

Ur talking budha never claimed this or that. so you know budha better? Where is budha who has same feather with jesus aka nabi isa? 

Sakat says:

Hey baby!! Buddha never claimed he is Prophet or son of God either ,he said i am an ordinary human being likes you ,if your Qur'an say's it ,then the fault lay,s with Qur'an not with Tripitaka which contained the detailed account of Buddha's life.

narcole1919721 says:

Lol i was talking about doing hajj in arabic, not about hajj term. Anyway hajj is hajj in all languages, and prophet abraham already did hajj too 😉

narcole1919721 says:

So you support muhammadan like him, with his prophet? 😉

narcole1919721 says:

My camp is my sect. 1 from 73. 72 arent from my sect. Is he from my sect? 🙂

materialist10 says:

"but have indicated that the results so far suggest more data and larger scale studies may be required" In other words this study has no evidence that the mind can exist independently of the body. 

"I believe its one supporting evidence that the mind can affect the body." Obviously the mind can affect the body, I don't remember arguing that it couldn't.   

narcole1919721 says:

Read same book? Where is he? Where am i? Did he attend majlis ta3lim regularly in right sect? Anyway, this forum is complete, there are christians, good and bad christians, there budhist, hindu, atheist, darwinist, murtad, munafiq, moslem, mukmin, also dhallin. There moslems  with different sects here. So im here for my sect, if all disagree with my sect but agree with others, then be with others. Ill keep doing jihad, sorting out fitnah, facts, opinions, bid3ah, and misunderstanding. Either you disagree or not, lakum diinukum wa liyadin. Im here to represent ahlus sunna wal jamaah in one version. If other sects disagree, im sorry to call dhallin. Im here for jihad. Not only for infidels, but also for sharing more knowledges to moslems. Believe or not, lakum diinukum wa liyadiin. My duty only as informer or reminder 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Dear, jesus is nabi isa. And budha is nabi too. Budha word means nabi/prophet. Who is sidharta budha gautama? Budha is nabi zul-kifli. And budha got wahyu/revelation under bodi tree aka at tin tree. Hes named zul-kifli in quran cos hes from kapila (kapilavastu) . in arabic zul-kifli means a person from kifli. Yes budha isnt god. Cos budha is prophet. Read surah at tin. Not in english but from the root. Surah at tin explains that zaitun is symbol for jerusallem and the prophet Isa/jesus. Thursina is symbol for moses and jews, makkah is symbol for prophet mu7ammad shollallahu 3alaihi wa sallam and islam, and what at tin/bodi tree is for? Its for prophet zul-kifli. Its symbol for him. His history is just like budhists said. Zul-kifli name mentioned in quran twice in surah al anbiya and shad. So its clear that budha sidharta gautama is prophet zulkifli. And who is budha maitreya? In kitab Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III,76 : “There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe“. Budha Matreiya, avatar and Muhammad are same person. So budha/prophet zulkifli, moses, jesus, and budha matreiya/avatar/ prophet Muhammad shollallahu 3alaihi wa sallam were anbiya/prophets. They were hanif just like abraham they were rasul from 25 messengers.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Read sura 42:12 Lahu maqaleedu alssamawati waal-ardi yabsutu alrrizqa liman yashao wayaqdiru innahu bikulli shay-in AAaleemun
To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: He enlarges and restricts. The Sustenance to whom He will: for He knows full well all things.
God must be possessed of an inexhaustible stock of keys considering that he must unlock each and all places. Again it argues childishness on His part to bless with plenty and super-abundance whosoever He pleases regardless of his merits, or to take away the same from any without weighing his demerits. If God is such a creature of mere whim, He is unjust.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Slave mentality,
What do you expect? An Arab was the allah who wrote the quran. As dishonest as he was, did you expect him to run down himself by doing that to his kinsmen? He was so dishonest as not to disclose to you that the quran is not purely Arabic. It contains many direct foreign words and others which have been mutated to sound arabic.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Slave mentality,
Do you really know what muhammadanism teaches? It says that the quranic "jesus" was a prophet of muhammadanism. Now you say he will burn in hell fire for not having recited the shahada. How was he a muhammadan prophet without that article of faith? Was he or was he not a prophet of muhammadanism and why will he burn in hell after having discharged his muhammadan duties to allah? Muhammad cannot help himself not to talk of helping another person given that he is suffering in hell where he rightly belongs.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Read these Sura 36:2 Waalqur-ani alhakeemi By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,- 36:3 Innaka lamina almursaleena Thou art indeed one of the messengers, 36:4AAala siratin mustaqeemin On a Straight Way.36:5 Tanzeela alAAazeezi alrraheemi It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. 36:6Litunthira qawman ma onthira abaohum fahum ghafiloona In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).50:1 Qaf waalqur-ani almajeediQaf: By the Glorious Qur'an (Thou art Allah's Messenger).90:1 La oqsimu bihatha albaladi I do call to witness this City;- 
If these word from Allah then why Allah take oath of Quran as he take in 90:2 and how he take oath the city if Allah is true there is no need to take oath, this is the work of liar to get faith of people. 

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Demsci,
The pedophilia and sexual escape were latent. But there was no opportunity for mad Muhammad to have exhibited that while Khadijah was alive. As soon as she died the path was cleared and the jinn was let out of the bottle. Like an animal that was caged all its life, the death of the old dame sent mad Mo on the rampage. There was no way that the jinn could be brought back into the bottle. That was the launchpad of mad Mo's prophethood.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Demsci,
The agreement between Slave mentality and charcoal/narcotics is quite apparent and interesting. Slave mentality says that her "POSTS ARE IRRELEVANT". Any better judgment than that?

Sakat says:

Your fist part of the above post i have already answered ,if you are unable to understand like, your mad Mohammed it is not my fault.I love Buddha because he never claimed/allowed that, he is prophet.Moreover he never accepted there is God (which is fitting my skim of thoughts) . Third he wanted his teachings should be tested on practical level ,he devised a system called Vipassana ,i am practicing it regularly and the symptoms exactly corroborate Buddha's teaching ,that is the confirmation of f his teaching on practical level.Lastly he said doubt everything before accepting and i am doing that here.Jesus on the other hand i consider the apostle of non-violence and pure love.Each individual existence has its end.Instead we have to imbibe their good teachings in our life ,rather then searching them in the horizon for useless purpose .Only Mohammedans knew how to waste precious time of their life on such things and you are not exception either.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Liar. Your brother, 'Abdul', says your posts are irrelevant. That judgment comes from your own camp.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Muhammadans will not only fall for every lie but are master/ mistress liars who fabricate wild tales to white wash their evil.

Slave of Prophet says:

@Nizamuddin
Allah himself declare Arabs are best people that is why Quran sent in our Arbi languages. 
Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish." 
“Behold, We have sent it down in all clarity, in the Arabic tongue, so that you might encompass it with your reason.” (Quran 12:2)
إِنَّا جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون 
“Behold, We have made it a Quran in clear Arabic language that you may fully understand.” (Quran 43:3)

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Your brother muhammadan, Slave mentality, who you call Abdul, correctly said that your posts are irrelevant.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Sister You know it very well that when you explain the lie of your prophet will be before us 

narcole1919721 says:

The best creation of Allah, are those muttaqiin who obey him, not from race 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Thats not the answer for my questions sakat dear. Ur on coward list too for not answering are jesus and budha friends living in same place? 😉 where are they? are they humans? What would happen if there no god, what would happen if many gods? come on 😉

narcole1919721 says:

Ali is hiding cos afraid of me 😉 and you are avoiding my questions 😉 

narcole1919721 says:

Didnt i tell you my sect is the original one? 🙂

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

@Narcole 

Now you told me
Is Muhammad a real messenger of Allah? 
What should be characteristics of Prophet?
Why does the Quran say that infidels should be killed?
what does Islam offer humanity that differ from other faith's?
Why Allah made women inferior to men?
Why Allah prohibited Alcohol on earth but in heaven there is no restriction?
Why 75 virgin women are in heaven for male & what women get?
Why sex Slave is legal as per Islam? 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"I have read Buddha history. Buddha was a non-believer in Allah. He was an atheist and atheist are worst of creature as per Islam. In his whole life he never read Kalama." 
such things say your Quran and Muhammad because Muhammad also well known about his lie that what I'm saying to other so he feed fear in your mind forcefully a imaginary things (Allah,Heaven and Hell fire) to made a cut, copy, paste from others religious books. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"it is simple as per Islam "God created us so that we could worship him"
but he created us only for worship him then why he gave feelings of Hungry? For worshiping there is no need to have meal so have not give us this feelings. Second why he made women if he able to create everything then there is no need to made women or men, he created us as neuter. he had not to give us eyes and ears that we can see the activity of Satan, and hear the sound of Satan. And this shows he is selfish and there were no so made us to his recommendation .

Phoenix says:

Give scientific evidence in support of NDE's. "

Typical materialist tactic.You claimed before that NDEs can be explained biologically but when I asked you to elaborate you instead shifted the burden of proof onto me.
I know there's no amount of evidence to convince a pathological skeptic,so my aim is to show those readers that are not familiar with the evidence and are not able to construct their arguments logically in a debate with a materialist but they may have known intuitively that such phenomena as psi and nde are possible.Don't underestimate the power of intuition,after all, all truth and logic devolves back to intuition.

The following links are for those who genuinely seek the truth http://commons.lib.niu.edu/handle/10843/9418
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98447&a…
NOTE:In the above link the journalist's headline uses the word "brain" instead of "mind" but most importantly the scientists and doctors who conducted the studies DO make the proper distinction.
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Interview videos of some witnesses claiming them had NDE's are as valid as interview videos of people converting to Islam"
This is a False comparison.Any NDE by a muslim is incompatible with Islamic teachings.It would infact invalidate Muhammad and his Quran.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

" It will be kufra in eyes of Allah" 
Kufra is also done by prophet Muhammad,  Kufr ul-Istihal: Disbelief out of trying to make haram into halal. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (haram) like alcohol or adultery. Only Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, has the prerogative to make things halal and haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith
.Kufra of Muhammad -> Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Read this and it will be clear to all of you Mohammad also made Haram into Halal. He is also a kafir

Slave of Prophet says:

it is simple as per Islam "God created us so that we could worship him"

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Nazim,
Well said

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Like you and all others who believe in allah and Muhammad. Those who think that Adam spoke arabic which had not evolved as a single language until after the quran was published many years following the death of the super liar/conman, Muhammad.

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

Until a few decades ago, they were among some of the most primitive on earth. Now with their endless blood orgies, they are the most primitive.

Slave of Prophet says:

@Nizamuddin
Dear, you have wrong notion regarding prophet. Prophet was messenger of Allah and he was best creation Allah. He fought for righteousness. You people claim he raided and looted the people. Yes, He raided and looted the people but why? Because they were not following true religion (Islam). They were disobeying Allah and prophet. And marring with 6 years old girl Aisha also a divine sanction to prophet. Prophet never questioned like you on Allah commands? This our life is for testing. Allah looks whether we are questioning on his commandments or following them truthfully? Prophet did complete surrender to the will of Allah and set example before us. I do not want to go in arguments earth is flat or egg shaped. We are to believe what has Allah said to us. We are to obey Allah sincerely. As far my knowledge Allah nowhere said earth is egg shaped then why should I believe earth is egg shaped? It will be kufra in eyes of Allah.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

 "Only God knows. And Allaah knows best."
1. In sura 2:142-144, we find the change of the Qibla, the direction of prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back to Mecca.2. The inheritance laws in suras 4:7; & 2:180, provides an equal share for women and men, and then is doubled for men in sura 4:11.3. The change of night prayers from a full night in sura 73:2-4, to a half or less, or whatever was easy to do in sura 73:20.4. The change of punishment for adulteresses, beginning with life imprisonment, found in sura 4:15, and then changed to 100 strokes by flogging, according to sura 24:2. Remember that these two examples make no mention of the previous 'missing' aya which prescribes the stoning for those who commit adultery. It is also interesting to note that Homosexuals were let off if they repented, according to sura 4:16, though this same allowance was not given for heterosexuals.5. The change of the retaliation laws where retaliation for the crime (murder) was confined to people of equal rank (i.e. slave for slave) in sura 2:178, then it was to be carried out only against the murderer by the heir, sura 17:33 (note: Ali adds Qisas and forgiving to the Arabic).6. The change of the days of creation from 6 (7:54; 25:59) to 8 (41:9- 12).7. The change of the hierarchy of prophets, where they were initially equal (suras 3:84;2:285;2:136) and then some are elevated above the others, sura 2;253 (see Ali's note:289).8. The changes in intercession; at first done by angels and Muhammad (suras 42:5; 24:62), and then were not acceptable to Allah (suras 74:48; 63:5; 34:23).9. The Sword verses: the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 9:5); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 47:5); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 9:29); or "Fight then, until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 8:39); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 9:3). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256).10. Sura 2:184 first allows a rich man to buy himself out of the fast by feeding an indigent. The following verse (185) allows no compensation.11. Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).12. Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).13. Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear sister 

What is your sects? Because you tell to all this is not my sect which sect of Muhammad you follow. I've already mentioned that Muslims never capable to hear against Islam and Muhammad because they know Muhammad was the worst man in this world and we are the follower of such worst. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

You read the Buddha's History and Jesus everything will be clear for your self. I'm not changing the topic, I've already give you the definition of friendship and as per the definition of friendship you judge about them. Every men and women are the member of a family, even your Muhammad also but he teach or show the worst path humanity is going in wore to worst due to his teachings so we are criticizing him.

narcole1919721 says:

Lol ur like reading something written "dont read this". x'D

narcole1919721 says:

But ur answer not related to jesus budha birds of same feather. Changing topic? 😉 ur avoiding these questions. Are jesus and budha friends living in same place? Do they know each other personally? 😉

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

This was happen because in ancient time Indians not know more about Rome but pond is well known things for them so use Pond Rome and Pond is not same if you think like that then again you have to enroll yourself in  Nursery class  and again learn 

narcole1919721 says:

In his book, Islamic Mathematics 3 (Reuters, 2009), KH Fahmi Basya mention some of the traits of Borobudur temple which became evident as the relics of the Prophet David's son. Among them, the forest or the land of Saba, Saba meaning, the name of Solomon, the fruit of a bitter maja, removal of the palace the Queen of Saba to Solomon's territory, buildings that are not resolved by the genie, the gathering place of the Queen of Saba, and others.In the Qur'an, the story of King Solomon and the Queen of Saba is mentioned in Surah An-Naml [27]: 15-44, Saba [34]: 12-16, al-Anbiya [21]: 78-81, and others. Of course, many do not believe it when Borobudur is a relic of Solomon.Moreover, Fahmi Basya KH showed evidence based on the description of the Koran. So what if valid proof of Borobudur is a relic of Solomon or the building of Solomon, whose creation is the command?According to Fahmi Basya, and as the authors see through the existing reliefs, there are several symbols, which is impressive and is identical to the story of Solomon and the Queen of Saba, as the description of the Koran. The first is about the ark, a box or crate that contains the legacy of David to Solomon AS. That said, in it there is the book of Psalms, Torah, and the level of Moses, and give you peace. In the relief contained in Borobudur, was a chest or ark was being guarded by someone."And their Prophet said to them: 'Behold the sign he would be king, was the return of the ark to you, in which there is tranquility from your Lord, and the rest of the family heritage of Moses and the family of Aaron, the ark was carried by the angels. Verily in this there was a sign for you , if you are believers. '" (Surah Al-Baqarah [2]: 248).Second, the work is not finished when jin knew Solomon was dead. (Surah Saba [34]: 14). Upon learning of Solomon's death, the jinn were to stop work. At Borobudur, a statue that has not been resolved completely. Unfinished statue was called Solomon.Third, the genie was ordered to build high buildings and making sculptures. (Surah Saba [34]: 13). As is known, many statues of Buddha at Borobudur. While a high building or buildings that are Prambanan.Fourth, Solomon spoke with the birds and animals. (Surat an-Naml [27]: 20-22). There are also reliefs. In fact, a number of reliefs of Borobudur motivated frame flowers and birds. There are also a number of reliefs other animals, like elephants, horses, pigs, dogs, monkeys, and others.Fifth, the story of the Queen of Saba and the people who worshiped the sun and bow to a fellow human being. (Surat an-Naml [27]: 22). According to Fahmi Basya, Saba means gathering or meeting place. Hud-hud expressions bird on Saba, because birds do not know the name of the area. "Never mind the birds, humans only when it is above the plane, will not know the name of a city or country," he explains. Fahmi added Basya, a gathering place of man in the temple of Ratu Boko is located approximately 36 kilometers from Borobudur. It also allows the distance traveled in a single bird flying.Sixth, Saba is in Indonesia, namely Wonosobo. In the Qur'an, the Saba a lot overgrown with trees. (Surah Saba [34]: 15). In ancient Jawi language dictionary, compiled by Dr Maharsi, the word 'Wana' meaning forest. Thus, according to Fahmi, saba or wana Wonosobo Saba is the woods.Seventh, fruit 'maja' bitter. When the great flood (Sail al-Arim) hit the region of Saba, the trees around him to be bitter as the Wrath of God to those who deny his revelations."But, they turn away, We bring to them the great flood [1236], and We converted their two garden with two garden is overgrown (trees) producing bitter fruit, tamarisks, and some of the trees Sidr tree." (Surah Saba [34]: 16).Eighth, the name of Solomon shows the name of the Javanese. Prefix the word 'su'merupakan Java names. And Solomon is the only prophets and apostles 25 people, whose names beginning with 'Su'. Ninth, Solomon sent a letter to the Queen of Saba through bird Hud-hud. "Go thou to bring this letter." (Surat an-Naml [27]: 28). The minister said the letter was written on plates of gold as a form of wealth of Solomon. He added that the letter was found in a pond at Ratu Boko.Tenth, the building is low (Sidrin qalil). See Surah Saba [34] 16). Building is low it is the Ratu Boko. And there are a number of stupas are low. "This proves that Ratu Boko Palace is a palace of the Queen of Saba who was transferred by order of Solomon," said Fahmi stressed.In addition to the above evidence, Fahmi said, there are many more other evidence which suggests that the story of Solomon and the Queen of Saba in Indonesia. As the monsoon winds blowing from Asia and Australia (Surah Saba [34]: 12), the story of the palace which is lost or removed, the Queen Bilqis dialogue with the princes when he received a letter Sulaiman (Surat An-Naml [27]: 32), the name Sleman district, District Salaman, Salam village, and others. With the above evidence, Fahmi Basya believe that Borobudur is a relic of Solomon. What about the readers? Only God knows. And Allaah knows best.

narcole1919721 says:

Oh you mean yourself? 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

So a pond and rome are same? 😉 hindi was talking about pond, and western was talking about rome. A pond could be in rome. But could be rome in hindi pond? 😉

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear Sister,

But sakat said they are birds of same feather?  can birds of same feather be friends and live together? 
the meaning of above quotes not denoting them birds, It means he is saying that both like peace, love and humility. Do you hear that Buddha killed and try to killed people, no. About Jesus he also never did. The meaning of above quote is this. But you directly use birds. Take a proverb "Rome was not built in a day" but in Hindi we use "Boond boond kare hi Talab Bharata hai" in English A pond will be full drop by drop. Both contain same meaning. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

The proponents of God hypothesize that the term “God” resolves to The “Creator”. They claim that God is ‘something’ rather than ‘nothing’, who can move and perform activities, like “create”. This is their CLAIM, and they ask you to take it at face value and NOT ask any further questions. Whether God is….Invisible Untouchable Unknowable Undetectable Untestable Hidden Mysterious Almighty Complex Not able to be scientifically analyzed and evidenced.Wamin kulli shay-in khalaqna zawjayni laAAallakum tathakkaroona.51:49, And of everything We have created pairs: That ye may receive instructionI’m mentioning only one Sura because you have already also studied there is not required. And if God is really existed he does not talk a silly and useless teaching to human being. Again if he is really existed he really punished to him who do this as he punished in quran, Bible, and Hindus books, but all these happens in the initial stage of religion today such kinds of things are not going on why? The agent of religion doing but today we believe in science and try to understand what the reason behind this is? So they are failed in his effort.Whether God can or cannot create Himself, a believer must land upon one of the two horns of this diabolical impasse:  Allah can create Himself out of NOTHING. Therefore, NOTHINGNESS is greater than Allah? On the other hand, Allah cannot create Himself out of NOTHING? Therefore, HE is not absolute. HE is relatively weak, and completely redundant! And this show Allah/God does not exit. If he does not exist then it is not required to know the number because it shows it is zero. Nothing will happen because this universe is approximately 13,750,000,000 years old and everything’s is going well except our fight that made this earth horrible (from ancient time to till now how many war he have fought due to name of religion and our selfishness, and from where this selfishness started? When anyone stated to curse the right of other this depend on the personality if the victim have introvert personality he can’t oppose this but other one   learn from both side and it take a hard way.) You will ask about disaster this also created by us today we are cutting down trees in large numbers, we crushing mountains, we digging  earth to out minerals but not again filled up them and this be a disaster for ourselves. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear Sister Narcole, 

You can give the proof your prophet Solomon in Java

narcole1919721 says:

Anyway, ur not a coward. *edits cowards list* x')

narcole1919721 says:

Lol sholat and hajj are in arabic. How many moslems in the world read arabic everyday? x'D

narcole1919721 says:

Prophet solomon left many traces in java aka saba my dear. There researches of it. Also the description in quran not only about bitter fruit part. Reread the quran 🙂

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"You know very little about quran. You said you were moslem?"
Yes if anyone praise the Quran you know better this is Allah gave you Ilam and if anyone criticize logically pooh! Poor! and many harsh word used by muslims. And they also proof, he is the agent of Jews. This is only form Muslims like the man who unable to have grapes and, told to himself these grapes are sour.

narcole1919721 says:

Following Mu7ammad, by holding  tight on Quran and Sunnah in right version. Dont forget to specify 🙂

narcole1919721 says:

Lol recruiting ally-gator.

narcole1919721 says:

Your talking about ego. While religion is super ego. And god never did zhalim toward his servants, he asks us to help ourselves too. Hes happy if we find eternal happiness. That means it includes seeking gods ridha too. Btw ur wrong about the age of earth. Until now scientists cant make sure the age of earth cos the ancient oldest rock that they need to observe already gone and processed inside of earth. The age of earth they could get only from whats left on earth. You are questioning whether afterlife is true or false, before asking about future, you cant even answer whether what scientists said about past is true or false.

Marathon says:

Please remember to bring scientific evidence, and also to deal with the counter-evidence which is supported by science. Youtube videos of people saying they had an NDE, do not count as evidence. Multiple scientific studies that agree with each other count. The claim for NDE's is made by their believers, so they have to prove the claim. Just like Muslims claim Islam is true, it is Muslims first who have to prove the claim.

Demsci says:

I daresay it was not beyond some unscrupulous infidels and they did something like that. But of course the same goes the other way around. Not all Muslims are angels either.

That's why we have freedom of speech, human rights, golden rule, enlightenment values and the full democratic system.

You see, as victims people are still responsible for how they react to dishonest outsiders? and they have responsibility to not just whine about it.

Demsci says:

@Slave of Prophet, I think Narcole answered my questions to you very well for you. Do you agree with her?

I-HATE-ISLAM says:

What an idiot!

narcole1919721 says:

*will count how many hiding cowards* hehe

narcole1919721 says:

How many god? One or many or zero? what would happen if no god? what would happen if many gods?

narcole1919721 says:

We arent fighting, just discussing and sharing knowledge. btw  are jesus and budha friends living in same place? Why not answer.

Sakat says:

Two mad Mohammed sects are fighting and exposing their crap Quran hahaha.Mr Sina your labor is not required for striping Islam ,they themselves doing it here ceremoniously hahaha.

narcole1919721 says:

Slave of prophet and me are moslems. and moslems are taught to unite as one in jamaah, not to split into many sects. the right one sect is taught to guide other moslems if there differences, and discuss. the right one sect, tends to unite, thats why called ahlus sunnah wal jama3ah. but if there sect which tends to have ally-infidel-gators, then its not the right sect. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

"Quran came to prophet step by step, depended on situation." 
Dear Narcole you mentioned Quran came to prophet step by step depended on situation, but Allah know everything what will happen and what is going on and what had means everything so why not he gave this Quran same time because he know everything and his messenger  will also understand that his will be happen. This is Muhammad he said his stupid and useless story to the stupid followers and they also believe this I've already given the proof of his follower ( in the story of Abu Bakr and his Mrs. conversation regarding marrieage of Aisha), and other story he stolen from Bible and Torah.

narcole1919721 says:

Demsci, if you lived at same time with him, would you still question this?

narcole1919721 says:

Quran came to prophet step by step, depended on situation. At that time, even one ayat could be applied to many cases. It took 22 years 2 months 22 days for 6666 ayat in simple perfect fus7a arabic. How many languages in this world? Angel of death can speak 1 million of languages. Do the math how long it would take. Allahu ahad. One god. Sholat to one direction. Hajj in one destination. All humans gather in one place, one language, one direction, as one from one. We unite as one in jamaah. We unite as bani adam. We are one. 

Demsci says:

But, Slave of Prophet, do you acknowledge that, officially, Mohammed at 24 was not yet the prophet of Islam, which he only became at age 40 (in 610 AD)?

What do you think Muhammad was like before his prophethood? A nice but ordinary guy? Did his behavior not deteriorate morally? I mean only AFTER becoming Prophet AND POWERFUL, did he marry the young girl. Before that time he married and stayed faithful with ONE adult woman

Demsci says:

Slave of Prophet, is it your highest goal to reach heaven? I mean, are you determined to do everything to be qualified for some eternal life in heaven? And is this what you use the earthly life for?

Do you forgo all pleasures that jeopardises your goal to heaven, dedicating your life only to do things that will help you reach heaven?

Is it your aim to help your beloved Allah, or are you only selfishly worshipping HIM in the expectation that HE will reward you with heaven? But if HE would not promise this, would you still worship HIM?

And do you want to help to make all mankind Muslim and let there be a caliphate? Or can you accept diversity, in a democratic state, in which Muslims are only one group among many?

You give stark advice about not listening to scientists and using time to reading Quran and worshiping Allah only, is this advice meant for Muslims only? Because if it is only meant for Muslims don't you see that Muslims will fall behind, stay in the 7th century stage of development if they ignore science? While the rest of mankind progresses and performs and looks much better and be much more powerful than Muslims? Because it is undeniable that Science contributed mightily to our progress, longevity, technology.

Do you think many or most Muslims are like you? Do you think for instance that Narcole is like you?

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

if your statement is true then Muhammad is false because he told after me Allah will not send any messenger from his side. But where is translated Quran from Allah in Hindi, English, Mandarin, Spanish, German or even if your Bahasa although Allah know Indonesia will a  largest Muslim Country so why not he give us the Quran in Bahasa. If your Allah and Rasool is true. 

Ali Sina says:

You call that evidence?

narcole1919721 says:

Even saudi sharia polices say those translations haram. we must not learn it alone. especially the translations. there are rules in learning quran or islam, if you break the rules, u could get misled. gosh how many times i have to repeat this to everyone.

Slave of Prophet says:

@narcole
I never follow non-believers. I trust only Saudi translators. They have greatest understanding of Arabic and I read only their translation. And It is Arabic scholar who hold the original Quran have translated the verse. If you wanted to say translation done by Arabic scholar is not correct because they do not know ARabic you making mockery of them and it is insult of scholars. Are u Arabic? How much you know Arabic in comparison of Arabic scholars?

Slave of Prophet says:

@narcole
I have full faith in my prophet and allah but you have faith in non-believers that is why you promoting their ideology. Why are u believing non-Muslim claim that earth is earth egg shaped? Muslim scholar have pressure of non-Muslim that is why they are believing in non-Muslim ideology. Supreme religious authority of the Islamic University of Medina, in Saudi Arabia. On page 23 of his infamous book, “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still”, Shaykh‘Abdul-’Azeez ibn ‘Abdullaah ibn Baaz declared, “The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished.” Thereafter, Sheikh ‘Abdul-’Aziz ibn ‘Abdullah ibn Baaz had received pressure from his contemporaries and eventually was persuaded by his close collegues to edit his book. The first edition of “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still” has been discarded and the subsequent editions revised.
Allah has given us ample proof earth is flat.
Translation of the Qur’aanic verses 018:083-091:
“And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): “O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness.” He said: “As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell). “But as for him who believes (in Allah’s Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Dhul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions).” Then he followed another way, Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun. So (it was)! And We knew all about him (Dhul-Qarnain).” [Translation courtesy of Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al Hilali]

narcole1919721 says:

Abdul, we should have faith in islam 3ainul yaqin and haqqul yaqin. We shudnt follow islam too blindly cos many sects in islam. there no contradiction in quran, only misinterpretations who create contradictions and then make islam split into sects. If you misinterprete quran and one day your children question about it they could doubt islam.  this is what happening in society now. i dont know ur sect, maybe different than mine?

Slave of Prophet says:

@Agracean
Prophet marriage with 6 years old Aisha at the age of 53 and prophet marriage at the age of 24 with Khadija who was 45 years old show us that prophet had love for all people of society. He treated Khadija an older woman and a 6 years old child girl Aisha equally. This show prophet greatness.

Slave of Prophet says:

I  always believe in holy Quran firmly. In Quran nowhere Allah said earth is egg shaped. If earth would be egg shaped Allah would have said this clearly. But we have ample proof from Quran earth is flat. And this life of us is for testing. We should believe whatever Allah has said to us. Only belief in Allah can lead us to eternal heaven. We should not waist time listening scientist views and discoveries instead of we should use this time reading Quran and worshiping Allah only this can lead us to eternal heaven.

Slave of Prophet says:

@All
We should aware that scientist views keep on changing. Today they claim earth is egg shaped tomorrow  they can claim earth is flat. But this universe is changing. And I believe earth was flat in 7th century and prophet was correct. And earth will be flat again at the day of resurrection. 

narcole1919721 says:

You must be kidding.

narcole1919721 says:

How come you want to jump to 5th grade, if you didnt pass 2nd grade yet? in learning something abstract you need to learn step by step, depends on your level in digesting words.

materialist10 says:

Well you are talking complete gibberish. So that is the end of our discussion.

narcole1919721 says:

Ah it seems i have to repost again : In al isra2:85 said, wa yas2aluunaka 3anir ruu7. Qulir ruu7u min amri rabbii. Wa maa 2uutiitum minal 3lmi illaa qaliilan. But some 3ulama said something about ruh. Eventhough i dont believe much cos quran already said its gods business and we only know little. There are ruh sulthaniyah, ruh ruhaniyah and ruh jasmaniyah. Ruh sulthaniyah is the sulthan who orders mind to do what it wants, ruh ruhaniyah is soul who feels emotions, ruh jasmaniyah receives signal from ruh sulthaniah like walk, blink, eat, etc. when someone sleeps, ruh jasmaniyah is out, if ruh sulthaniyah follows, he can experience dreams. if ruh ruhaniyah is out, the person dies. looney persons ruh sulthaniyah not working well, so he lost his mind. faint person has ruh ruhaniyah still inside, thats why still alive.

narcole1919721 says:

Did you read my explanation before which has quran quote in message below? at first you have to understand that first.

narcole1919721 says:

As my explanation before about ruh sulthaniyah, ruh jasmaniyah and ruh ruhaniyah, which ruh at what stage in life begin to exist you are asking about? for certain, ruh ruhaniyah came from long time ago, ruh jasmaniyah starts at 4 months in tummy,  and ruh sulthaniyah starts when aqil baligh.

materialist10 says:

Okay from what I gathered you believe our lives where planned by God before we was born? This belief of yours has nothing to do with my question of at what stage in life does the soul which means our ego begin to exist?

narcole1919721 says:

Soul is ruh.

narcole1919721 says:

Im sorry none understood my message yet. your soul, my soul, ur ancestors souls, my ancestors souls, and next generations souls, were created at the same time long time ago. so our souls age is old. but since the creation of bodies as hosts for the souls needs process, which is pregnancy, marriage between a man and woman, so each soul had/have to wait. so if im infertile, it means, none will be my decendants. the waiting souls need to wait for turn. and its malaikats task to select which soul for which baby by gods order. and when the pregnancy reaches 4 months, malaikat will blow the soul into that meat, also put dust together inside from soil where he might die one day to return.

Sakat says:

Mr Marathon
I am impressed with your this post ,however i am totally bogged down with ,the last part of your post ."Its an excuse not to live life. This is the sub-conscious mind trying to make us lazy so we don't have to live life, so we don't have to think about spending those 10 dollars carefully". really heart touching for an action oriented man ,hats up!!!

narcole1919721 says:

Our souls were created long time ago, after god created Nur Muhammad, and then 3arash. but a soul moved to a mothers tummy by malaikat when the age of pregnancy 4 months. so our grandchildrens souls already created too. they are just waiting for their turn to replace us so that this earth wont be so full.

Marathon says:

Ali, you have to watch these videos if you want to be fair to yourself and examine all the counter evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0
"Michael Shermer – Out of Body Experiment "
Thats a famous guy, you know that.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4261
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=173132

Etc. etc. Lots of links that refute NDEs and they all have to be read. Anyway, if anyone believes in NDE's thats your wish. Its ok with me.

Marathon says:

hi Ali
Are NDE's real? We have to look at what the other side is saying too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDI6n9sWZzo
"Are out-of-body experiences real? – The Atheist Experience #691"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjYDZ8fUHk
"Near Death Experiences Explained!"
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/643074-pea…
"Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations (2011)"
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Recently, a host of studies has revealed potential underpinnings for all the elements of such experiences. "Many of the phenomena associated with near-death experiences can be biologically explained," says neuroscientist Dean Mobbs, at the University of Cambridge's Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. Mobbs and Caroline Watt at the University of Edinburgh detailed this research online August 17 in Trends in Cognitive Sciences.
———-

Can monkeys have consciousness outside their bodies? You believe in evolution, so my question is: Where in the evolutionary line did our consciousness decide to exit the monkey's body and live outside on its own? Why did this start to happen?

If we cannot deal with the arguments made by the counter side, we have to accept NDE's may not exist. And regarding God you should read Richard Dawkins books.
If we focus on this life we have and we're able to live it correctly to the fullest extent, we have done all we need to do.
People who believe in an afterlife of some kind are not able to LIVE life fully because we all know we have 10 dollars in our pockets, which is this life. Atheists believe thats the only 10 dollars we'll ever have. People with afterlife beliefs think they have 10 trillion dollars after they die. So to them the 10 dollars is nothing.
Its an excuse not to live life. This is the sub-conscious mind trying to make us lazy so we don't have to live life, so we don't have to think about spending those 10 dollars carefully.

Phoenix says:

I meant to say that the functional depence is NOT unidirectional but bidrectional)
Perhaps this simple diagram will help 1)Mind—————–>Brain
2)Brain—————>Mind

Sakat says:

/Congenital blinds don't see dreams in pictures/
So you agree that dreams too are bound by limitations ,here i think you accept the valid reasons raised by Materealist (regarding without inputs to brain no dreams either ).

Sam Sudhi says:

Dear Nizamuddin thanks for considering me as your brother ! .. I am still an India ,but due to my job I will be stationed somewhere in Asia . Right now we have completed a project in Thailand and next moving to Brunei .
So always on the move ! thanks once again for the warning .  Best regards !. 

Agracean says:

Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, I like to dedicate this song about dreams to you and hope that you will like it as much as I do. 😉 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQk4WgUVdU

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear Sam Sudhi 
Are you from India or other country if from other country there is no problem but if you are in India, now not spread this it might be a also be a victim of mad dogs. 

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

I never edited and deleted my message, Taquiya is really in yourself

lonelyloner says:

Free. Ask him, he'll email you a copy. I did.

narcole1919721 says:

Ehh?

narcole1919721 says:

Good mukminin 🙂 prophets du3a to kafirin against him was so that their children jihad in islam.

narcole1919721 says:

In al isra2:85 said, wa yas2aluunaka 3anir ruu7. Qulir ruu7u min amri rabbii. Wa maa 2uutiitum minal 3lmi illaa qaliilan. But some 3ulama said something about ruh. Eventhough i dont believe much cos quran already said its gods business and we only know little. There are ruh sulthaniyah, ruh ruhaniyah and ruh jasmaniyah. Ruh sulthaniyah is the sulthan who orders mind to do what it wants, ruh ruhaniyah is soul who feels emotions, ruh jasmaniyah receives signal from ruh sulthaniah like walk, blink, eat, etc. when someone sleeps, ruh jasmaniyah is out, if ruh sulthaniyah follows, he can experience dreams. if ruh ruhaniyah is out, the person dies. looney persons ruh sulthaniyah not working well, so he lost his mind. faint person has ruh ruhaniyah still inside, thats why still alive.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

They will love the right of women, they will fight against this cult using their brain, their thoughts, because you always know the darkness of lie will be long but not hide the light of truth.

Nizamuddin Sheikh says:

Dear narcole sister,

I think your kids will be follow atheism but my children never because they will be also liberty lover not will follow a cult and the lie of Muhammad. 

narcole1919721 says:

Ur family will convert to islam. amin x'D 

Sam Sudhi says:

I wish some more Muslims follow your path .Truly you have saved your children's future and let them grow up to be model citizens of your country . Really you are a remarkable guy Nizamuddin .Wishing you a peaceful healthy life to you & your family ,
I have already related your story to my colleges( muslims ) ,I am sure they may be envying you ,one of them already replied saying why I am telling this kind of news in between their puasa ( Ramadan ) .

materialist10 says:

"it is also obvious to everyone that the Earth is flat. It is also obvious that time and space are immutable." That the earth is a Spherical is based on observation which is empirical evidence. No one has ever observed a *soul*  or a realm of the dead, or anything else of this nature. These are fairy tales that belong in the same basket as the virgin birth and the Resurrection of the dead. 

Sam Sudhi says:

Yes ! I also think so.. , poor silly fellow .Suppose even the pedo Mo really did any miracles we are not willing
to buy any of his stories .

narcole1919721 says:

I have books about dreams explanation. but im too lazy to write here *yawns* *watches ignorants argueing nothing* hehe…let only few know 😉