Einstein and Islam
Iranian mullah says Einstein converted to Shiite Isalm.
In a debate with a learned mullah from Iran my opponent quoted a passage that he claimed is from Albert Einstein.
“Quran is not a book of algebra or geometry but is a collection of rules which guides human beings to the right way, the way which the greatest philosophers are unable to decline it.”
I made as search and found that this passage is quoted in many Islamic sites. However, the passage is falsely attributed to Einstein. Einstein’s views of God and religion were radically opposed to Islam. In the following passage he explains his beliefs.
“The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive form — this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness, and in this sense only, I belong in the ranks of devoutly religious men. I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after his own — a God, in short, is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear of ridiculous egotism.”
Clearly, Einstein did not believe in a personal god that rewards and punishes, neither he believed in the afterlife. These concepts are fundamental to Islam. Without a personal God and without the Day of Judgment, a lustful paradises and a tormenting hell Islam becomes meaningless.
Islam is entirely based on fear. No other words are repeated more frequently in the Quran than “hell” and “Day of Judgment.” I have debated with thousands of Muslims, some very educated, and some not. The undertone of all these debates was the punishment of God that awaits me. It’s this fear that has paralyzed Muslims and has made them helpless. As long as this fear persists they will not doubt Islam and will not be able to set themselves free.
Einstein believed religion is the product of ignorance and fear. Those comments about Islam are falsely attributed to him. But that does not surprise me. Almost everything Muslims say is a lie. It’s unbelievable that one cannot find a word of truth in this religion.
What surprises me is that this erudit mullah in his previous message to me had posted a long list of all the quotes from several anti-Semites such as Gustav Le Bon and others, to portray that Jews are the most wicked and evil people in the world, utterly dehumanizing them and demonizing them. Le Bon’s theories about race and crowd control greately influenced Hitler in writing his Mein Kampf and it is said Musolini kept Le Bon’s book by his bedside.
This educated man even believes that Allah transformed the Jews into pigs and monkeys. It’s amazing what Islam does to human brain. And when I tried to prove him wrong, reminding him of all the great things the Jews have done for mankind, he said, aha! Now we know that you are a Jew. Yet among all the people, he picked Albert Einstein, a Jew, to falsely attribute those words of praise about Islam to. If Einstein is racially inferior, as Le Bon says, and as vile as the Quran says, why quote him? If as a Jew he is not worth anything, why should his opinion about Islam matter? The absurdity of the Muslim mind never ceases to amaze me.
To fully comprehend the delusional mind of Muslims I’d like to inform the reader that the mullahs in Iran claim that Einstein had converted to Shiite Islam. The government controlled site SobheSadegh.ir says that according to an unnamed cleric delivering a sermon at a mosque in Tehran, “the nuclear physicist Albert Einstein allegedly converted to Shi’a Islam through the efforts of Grand Ayatollah Boroujerdi, who also had urged Einstein to keep his conversion secret in order not to be assassinated.”
However, f ar from converting to Islam or praising it, as a Jew, Einstein had distinct views on Jesus. Below is a clip of an interview from the Saturday Evening Post, October 26, 1929: “
“To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?
As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.
Have you read Emil Ludwig’s book on Jesus?
Emil Ludwig’s Jesus is shallow. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot [a witty remark].
You accept the historical existence of Jesus?
Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
These Islamic sites post several quotes from famous personalities such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Gandhi, Leon Tolstoy, Bernard Shaw and others that praise Islam. Quoting the opinions of famous people as the evidence of the truth of a religion is a logical fallacy. Even famous people can be wrong, but the fact that none of these people were scholars of Islam or had read its holy book or its history makes their opinion about Islam worthless. Hitler also praised Islam. Hitler’s opinion is the only one that matters because he understood Islam. Would others have still praised Islam had they known that Muhammad was a raider, a mass murderer, a slave maker and a rapist? These facts have come to the public attention only during the last decade or so. When I started writing about them no one believed me. I sounded like a lunatic to them. It just made no sense that a man literally worshipped by 1.5 billion people could be a despicable criminal. But that is the fact the world must come to terms with and it is coming to term with.
These famous people, who have spoken loftily about Islam, have spoken from the position of ignorance. Praising Islam makes Muslim very happy. Muslims constantly seek approval from people in authority and for the unwary people it seems to be a cheap way to endear themselves with Muslims. Sadly, these approvals compound Muslims’ ignorance and make them more fanatical and as the result more violent. The essence of the message of Muhammad is jihad. If you approve Islam, you validate all its evil teachings including jihad and encourage terrorism. Now that the truth is out, no one should ever praise Islam to appease Muslims. Ignorance is no longer an excuse. Praising Islam is treason to humanity.
Another authority quoted by Muslims is the Russian Novelist Leo Tolstoy. He is claimed to have said, “Quran contains clear realities and tenets and human beings can utilize it generally.” As usual, no reference is given. Assuming these are the words of Tolstoy, he has also thought that Islam has become corrupted beyond redemption. He has also praised Bab and Baha-u-llah, the twin founders of the Baha’i Faith . These prophets are denounced by Muslims. A few months before his death Tolstoy wrote:
“I have known about the Bábís for a long time, and have always been interested in their teachings. It seems to me that these teachings, as well as all the rationalistic social religious teachings that have arisen lately out of the original teachings of Brahmanism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam distorted by the priests, have a great future for this very reason that these teachings, discarding all these distorting incrustations that cause division, aspire to unite into one common religion of all mankind.
Therefore, the teachings of the Bábís, inasmuch as they have rejected the old Muhammadan superstitions and have not established new superstitions which would divide them from other new superstitions (unfortunately something of the kind is noticed in the exposition of the Teachings of the Báb), and inasmuch as they keep to the principal fundamental ideas of brotherhood, equality and love, have a great future before them.”
Muhammad Ahmad al Mahdi
Tolstoy mentions the Ahmadiyah movement in Lahor and the Mahdi movement in Sudan and says,
“Both these religious teachings contain nothing new, neither do they have for their principal object a changing of the outlook of the people and thus do not change the relationship between the people, as is the case with Babiism. I therefore sympathize with Babiism with all my heart inasmuch as it teaches people brotherhood and equality and sacrifice of material life for service to God.
The teachings of the Bábís which come to us out of Islam have through Bahá’u’lláh’s teachings been gradually developed and now present us with the highest and purest form of religious teaching.”
So I’d like to ask the Muslims who quote “authorities” to prove Islam is true, why they ignore the same authorities when they praise other faiths, specially the Babi and Baha’i faiths that Muslims regard heretic? If Tolstoy’s opinion about Muhammad is valid, so must be his opinion about Bab and Baha-u-llah.
Relying on “authorities” as evidence of the truth of any proposition is a logical fallacy. It’s called argumentum ad verecundiam. The truth of a religion can be only determined by analyzing its teachings and the conduct of its author or as Jesus said, by their fruits ye shall recognize them.
When we analyze Islam, we find it to be a religion that promotes hate, spreads through deception, advocates violence, and encourages fighting and bloodshed. When we observe its followers, we see they are backward, violent, ignorant, and uncivilized. These are the bitter fruits of this tree from hell.
Einstein was an atheist Jew and a Zionist. He was everything Muslims hate. Despite that Muslims feel no shame in cashing on his popularity, even through lies. Einstein did not believe in a personal god. His thoughts were diametrically opposed to Islam. He did not convert to Islam and he did not praise it. He had a lot of respect for Jesus, but none for Muhammad. Muhammad deserves no respect. By virtue of how he lived and the legacy of destruction that he left behind he deserves our contempt.
"We have terms for commenting, please behave like a scholar."
Were you behaving like a "scholar" when you deleted my respectful and reasoned comment? It's just an example of the wanton ignorance and prejudice that exists in the minds of Islamophobes. And we're supposed to believe that Muslims are ignorant and uncivilized? How much more wilfully ignorant and uncivilized can you get than censorship? I suppose I should feel quite flattered that you found the truth in my words too unbearable.
he wasn't muslim, because he was smart.
Islam doesn't need Albert's opinion my brother…i have only one thing 2 add in our book the holy Quran God is called by so many different names "el rahman" which means the merciful a dozen times and u dont enter heaven until you truly love god and his prophet mohamed peace be upon him see our religion is based on love nothing to do with fear
But i know nothing of the take over or the preparation for a dictatorship…i really dont know my stand point when it comes to the brotherhood…i believe in good men not political parties..
Hi Demsci
Yes,Jerry and Esther Hicks ,translators for Abraham (not the biblical one) are IMO currently the best spiritual teachers on the planet preaching the Law of Attraction.I can't get enough of their seminars,it's so simple yet profound.I even downloaded their youtube clips in mp3 format and listen to it daily wherever I go.I'm happy to know you there's a part of their teachings you could embrace.
Cheers
@sura
//have u seen anything throughout my posts that is against any human morality//
Yes, I have and I have pointed that out. You said that it is OK for pagans to pray within the safety of their temples and I had asked you why should there be a question of 'safety' in temples and churches only? You also failed to answer why pagan temples were destroyed under the command of Muhammad other than mumbling a few allegation against Abu Lahab which I had responded to.
*no matter how hard our lives on earth it is surely better than our lives beneath it
Demsci I'ld like relate a story if i may…there are two syrian girls in my class..the other day i sang a song i wrote about home..a sad one..after i finished i found the girls crying..it was only then that i truly comprehended what was happening…i never believed the news…until then i was simply trying to understand with everything going on around me..putting the pieces together when everyone was in action to change whats happening….sadness never leaves my heart over all that is humanity…but Hope lives within me of a better future…because no matter how hard our lives on earth it is surely than our lives beneath it..:)
Eqypt had more political conflicts than one during the last century…as to Mursi…from my point of you and the one of many other jordanians he wasnt given enough time for other parties to reject his rule…and the eqyptions have so much conflict between them which leads to horrible incidents and political differances…as to Saudi 's stand point at the brotherhood, its like i said islamic countries take on politics sadly not religion..but after all thier leaders are good at neither.!.and as to Syria..(God be with its people at this time of conflict)…its affecting us all truly..in the Arab world…and with the refugies crossing Jordan's boarder each day by the hundreds..some were poor and now are poorer..some were wounded and they never healed…and some lay beneath the stones…dead..waiting for a savior with the ones undead….finally..i prefer not to take sides…many speak in the name of islam but are not but terrible human with hearts of stone.
@Sura
If this is true ,then don't claim you are Muslim,YOUR BELIEFS ARE(at present) quiet opposite to the term 'Muslim" in antique analogy ,go through your sacred text and find ,what they say about the term ,'MUSLIM' IN THEIR TEXTS.
Thank you for responding, sura. Perhaps we democratic people and you Muslims have some important values and principles in common too. Perhaps someday there can be many real genuine DEMOCRATIC MUSLIMS. We do have some Turks and Moroccans who are saying that they are that.
What I wanted to ask you was what did YOU, and Jordanians around you, think of the ouster of president Morsi of Egypt?
It was pretty confusing because Morsi had been democratically elected, and ousted by general Al-Sissi. And PM Erdogan and also many of the Dutch Muslims protested against the "hypocrisy of Western nations and people", because they supported this ouster of a democratically elected president.
But Al-Sissi had very many allies in Egyptian society, around 20 million demonstrators against Morsi's government. And we heard here that Morsi's government really was preparing for a Brotherhood-take-over and a permanent dictatorship, almost like in Iran. And also like HAMAS, also Muslim Brotherhood, which won the elections once, in 2007, but since never allowed new elections in Gaza.
What was bewildering to many of us was that many Egyptians were angry at president Obama! For supporting the Muslim Brotherhood too much! (Although he merely emphasized that Morsi was rightful president under Democratic law). Also amazing to many of us; Saudi Arabia is also an enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood!
And in the broader Middle East, with Syria in the middle, there is a big fight going on between Shia's and Sunni's.
Can you give your opinion on all this and indicate on which side you are, if you are on a particular side?
Hello Phoenix, I second your post. Although my beef is also not with many individual Muslims.
But some of them do express the opinion that "UN-believers MISS something Muslims do possess", without considering the reverse; that the other humans possess some good beliefs Muslims of necessity do not possess, because Islam in their life contradicts other good beliefs or crowd's them out or even forbids them in their community and mind.
Phoenix, I read the books of Jerry and Esther Hicks, the ones you once recommended here, and my biggest take-away from them was how important it is that we humans focus on and think about what we DO want, and not on what we DO NOT want.
Thank YOU, Sakat, that means a lot to me. And yes, indirectly I have been informed, influenced and enchanted by Buddhism a lot, so I echo that.
Sura
My beef is not aimed at any muslim individual but morality as codified per Islamic texts,which fails miserably under universal standards and instead advocates segregation,hatred for non-muslims,slavery,stoning of adulterers,etc.
Even the so-called 'good verses" in the Quran and Hadith was contravened by Muhammad.
THANK you Demsci…:)
Thats not true…Im a muslim…have u seen anything throughout my posts that is against any human morality ??
Demsci
And it may well seem that writers and posters here are literally A-THEists, UN-believers, without God, without religion, or moral compass. And such people do exist in abundance too."
Many muslims misunderstand (either deliberately or not) that atheists are NOT without morals but atheism is.In other words,atheists co-opt theistic morality and ethics.Albeit,atheism has no benchmark for morality but atheists still behave the way theists would expect and do not subscribe to "survival of the fittest".
Muslims on the other hand DO have a moral code but it's perverse,violates our golden rule and suppresses our intuition and common sense.
@Demsci
/But it hurts me if on this website it looks like people who believe in NOTHING try to TAKE AWAY something beautiful from Muslims without offering anything in return. But IMO there are divers really very beautiful and meaningful and also moral alternatives to Islam available in the world if Muslims just search for them./
Well Said,in fact the thoughts/compassion's emanated in your post reminds me of Buddha's teachings to his disciples, thank you very much.
Great, Sura, that you care to search for (the highest possible) truth and that you read non-Muslim-history-books as well as Islamic books!
I too read about Jerusalem's history. Did you read about Nebuchadnezzar conquering it in 586BC? And sending many Jews in exile to Babylonia? Norman Cantor estimated there were only # 150.000 Jews left then. But it was in this exile that the Jews wrote their Torah, and that the Monotheism from which Judaism, Christianity and Islam sprang, began.
Now, in the whole frame of the history of mankind, which may have been in existence for 200.000 years, or even in the frame of civilization (from # 3500 BC until now) that is only a relatively late date for Monotheism to start in the human experience.
Thanks for responding en praising my country, sura. I am very proud of it. It indeed has high rankings in international positive statistics. For instance; it is measured that the Dutch children on average are the happiest children in the world!
Look, you as Muslima came here into sort of "lions den", very brave of you. And it may well seem negative to you and intent on taking something very valuable, Islam, away from you. And it may well seem that writers and posters here are literally A-THEists, UN-believers, without God, without religion, or moral compass. And such people do exist in abundance too. But the writers and posters here, as I experienced it, are very varied, in religion, lifestyle, nationality.
I call myself a-theist and ex-Christian, but I hate both descriptions, because in my mind I did not LOSE faith, but I gained a set of beautiful and ever improving beliefs. For instance, I believe in the CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION, an "explosion" of new multiple-celled life-forms coming into existence after # 540 million years ago. Maybe God did create the Cambrian Explosion. And I say that many Muslims are UNBELIEVERS IN THAT.
And as my intention is to search for the highest truth, I hope I get ever more accurate beliefs. I am a Darwinist, but if Darwinist was vanquished and replaced by better theories about life and history, I would discard it. You cannot insult ME by insulting my "prophets" who are Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, as they are not sacred to me. If the next generation abandoned Darwinism for something better, no problem for me.
But it hurts me if on this website it looks like people who believe in NOTHING try to TAKE AWAY something beautiful from Muslims without offering anything in return. But IMO there are divers really very beautiful and meaningful and also moral alternatives to Islam available in the world if Muslims just search for them.
@Sura
How u come to a conclusion that i misunderstood him , if the modern world consider ,that if a man engaged in sex with 9 year old girl, is well punished and called as pedophile .Now you say ,your prophet ( who propagate wisdom all the time (it is your belief) ,why? felt sensual pleasure from a six year old toddler). There are many people who are behind the gallows for having sex with toddler and are called PEDOPHILE ( the term tossed in modern world after analyzing human mind ,and found it is a mental decease ( in other words a psycho-path of a kind).Now tell me how you are going to defend your prophet in context of the preceding sentences.
:)…im optimistic too…hope brings me just happyness…and yes! Jordan is soo rich in history…i love that about it…and i love your country sooo much…i got mad of my parents cause they went there without me :p
I am so glad you like history so much also, sura. I always like to look at present situations in historical context. From your posts and your examining and appreciating the bible and other faiths I also concluded that you are a very serious, curious, spiritual, thinking young person.
Well, professor Stephen Pinker in his book "The better angels of our nature" argues, with good proof and logic, that, per capita, murder and war are declining. And other writers I read showed that, although with fits and starts, mankinds average lifetime and circumstances are steadily improving, all throughout recorded history and especially the last 200 years, since the industrial revolution. That gives me much optimism and hope for the future.
And you live in Jordan, the Middle East, well, that's a place with such an ancient and rich history! For instance, it has Petra of the Nabataeans.
And Jordan has a nice King and Queen; Abdullah and Rana, IMO. Just like Holland has King Willem and Queen Maxima, whom I like very much.
Thank you for and agreeing with that and debating with us so enthousiastically, Sura!
That said, there is always the distinction that is described by the principle of "Hate the sin, love the sinner". In the context of this website; "Hate Islam for what it is and does but love or appreciate the Muslims."
It means that Ali Sina and many posters here (including Julia) only are against Islam's bad teachings and bad influence. But not against the Muslims. Whom they see as complex and most often fine humans, only influenced by bad beliefs.
So Muslims are only insulted here because of their connection with and support for Islam's dreadful teachings and practices, as the writers and posters here see them.
I hope you understand this.
In debating I too prefer a respectful and civil discourse, but if others choose to be rougher and harsher, they are within their rights.
Although Ali Sina did ban a person named Julia who was particularly rough and harsh (and she was on HIS side), but it is HIS site and he had the right to ban her, although her insulting Muslims was not against any democratic law. he banned her because he felt her insulting of Muslims was counterproductive and discouraging Muslims to debate here, which is what he very much likes them to do, I think.
Hello Sura, yes, there are boundaries to freedom of speech. But I argued that in the media, on Internet, insults still are allowed, precisely because people do not have to read the articles, or see the programs, or the video's; they can go away.
So Ali Sina's articles need not be respectful for Islam and Muslims. And there is good reason for him to provoke Muslims. Who themselves may pay back in kind, so that makes it fair and according to the Golden Rule what Ali Sina does.
With all due respect…u misunderstand alot…and sorry to say…but u seem to hate quite as much…why??
Ofcourse…but please give me time to reply i need to give an exact verse and historical proof…but im more occupied than u know…and i hate to leave any of ur questions unanswered…but as to the prophet's wife hijrat…that is a known incedance in islam..and the prophet called them sinners..the ones who pretended that his wife did bad things with a man who was helping her along the way of travel…its a sad period in islamic history.
@Sura
/and Sick!!..for us to think in such ways…he did no such thing!!! i dread anyone for even of doing such a thing/
Do u think there is no such kind of think exist in Islamic world ,then who was Ayesha and why Muslim world refer her Hajrat, hahaha.
@sura
/Wt do you mean by ,'religiosity and historically /,
And for authenticity in which verse you depend on.
@Sura
/that is entirely untrue/
Could you substantiate it with valid note.
Absolutly not…as i said religiously nor historicly..with all due respect..u should change ur data base…that is entirly untrue…and Sick!!..for us to think in such ways…he did no such thing!!! i dread anyone for even of doing such a thing 🙁
@Sura
Many old people from Europe and Australia go to Thailand and other south eastern country's to have sex with children .This is a flourishing trade in those countries .However if they caught they are treated as pedophile and sent behind the gallows .It is the fact that Mohammed had married a 6 year old Ayesha when he was of the age of her grand father ( it was not will full consent on the part of her parents ,but fear of repercussions from Mohammed),and raped her at the age of 9 .It is a fact and somebody say he was PEDOPHILE how it becomes insult ,was it not true.
Absolutly true…i fully agree
No these are facts..logic…not insults..but when u call a man a thief when had never stolen..thats an insult…there are ruled for debating boundries as Demsci said…if u insult…u dont respect..if u dont respect…u wont be respected…is that really how u want ur human interaction to be?..unhuman??..
Please believe me…that is not historicly nor religously…in what other words must i speak for u to simply acknowledge the fact that i am atrue muslim…objective in what i say…hearing all the parts of the story..then presenting what i have found out to be true…not what was told to me…and then i leave u to reason with urself…and a to mr.chuck's reply..i never objected to his presentation…on the contrary i appresiated his concern in the matter..but to reply to his questions would take time…i hope i can answer them all..thank u 🙂
sura,
What do you mean by 'insult'? Is it an insult to call someone who has stolen a thief or someone who has killed a murderer?
sura,
Chuck has taken the pains to address your misgivings in detail. It could not have been done better than that.
Now about destroying the mosque at Dhu Awan, I agree that it was not just an unreasonable thing to do but inhuman as well. The story has it that when Muhammad heard the rumor that the Romans had amassed an immense force against him, he went out in strength only discover that it was all a hoax. Dhu Awan lies some distance outside Medina and the people there had built a mosque. They invited Muhammad to come and pray there. Instead of doing that, he accused the people of being unjust by wanting to kill him. There was no evidence. He sent an armed team to go and burn down the mosque. The team met the congregation at prayer and set about the arson. Those who could not flee were incinerated. A sura was then 'revealed' to justify the act.
On killing non-muhammadans, read sura 5:55, 9:5 and 29 for a start.
Thank you so much…you are too kind…and thank you for debating with me and for presuming for the sake of the argument that i represent islam..:)
OFCOURSE!!! i like history…i read it all the time and i know about the taken lands and the people mistreated horribly in years passed…and they dont deserve less respect or sorrow…but like u said.."u cannot blame the children for what thier fathers did " i fully agree..the turks have occupied lands in the past for along…and now the relationship with them is peacful…thats the right way…but when it comes to isreal and palestine…they re doing it to us still…we forget every land taken by them or any other in the years passed…but they are taking it now..as we speak..every day…and Jerusalem..when it comes to the holy places no one has claim of it…its beauty is its curse..it gathers three nations of religion on a landscape would be thought impossible to bare them..but that beauty has made her a centre of conflict troughout history..as i said..she has never known peace…at the end i can but hope she will and everyone without peace will…and only then that everyone can find thier sanctuary..Thank u so much Demsci.:)
Yes i know about these things in holland..(a beautiful country)..and im glad that people defend each others beliefs…its beautiful.
Im from jerusalem actually..but i live in Jordan.
//"ISREAL is the right world in using…and they are our enemy and the enemy of many other…they took the peoples home with no right…the slaughter by the thousends…they have lost thier humanity..we will fight them…i hope…in defence…of the rights taken…of all the people murdered…of all the lands burnt…of all the holy place discrased..in defence of jerusalem which has never known piece..of the burnt mousqe..of the ruined churches..etc."//
There were many debates about ISRAEL and the Palestinians on this site. But I like to point out that human history shows us that ever since civilization began, there were invasions and some people stole other people's lands. And when we start history at 3000 BC and cap history at the year 2000 AD, the Israeli's were only ONE of the many people's who stole the land of other people's (and I only say they stole land for argument's sake).
In 5000 years there were sooooo many victims and sooooo many perpetrators of land-stealing-with-violence. You have to realize for instance that the whole of Turkey and Constantinople were Greek and Christian before the battle of Manzikert (1071 AD) and that the Islamic Turks stole all of it from the Christian Greeks).
But just because the Israeli's did their land-grabbing in 1948 and the Turks in 1071-1453 that makes the Israeli's more accountable? And that makes the Palestinians more suffering victims than the Greeks??????? Remember, almost all the Israeli's who did the landgrabbing are as DEAD as the Turks who grabbed so much more land. And almost all the Palestinian victims of the landgrabbing in Palestine are just as dead as the Greek victims of the Turkish land-grabs.
You cannot blame (Israeli or Turkish) children of what their forefathers did. And at some point you have to forgive and let go and settle.
And don't say Muslims desire and defend Jerusalem, it is THE Jewish holy place, and Muslims already have Mecca.
Perhaps then you are a girl from the West Bank. You live in such a different world from us. Our articles and comments may shock you, but also start you thinking. But you may well live in a society in which independent thinking and having unpopular opinions is frowned upon, especially if done by a girl.
Whereas where I come from (Holland) people contradict each other all the time, in politics and religion, men and women alike, and nobody is scared of anybody, although of course fights are disliked.
Another characteristic of my Western Democratic Society is that, if anything, our citizens criticize and deeply insult their OWN culture, leaders, compatriots, even more than those of others.
And this so often results among my compatriots in actually DEFENDING Islam and Muslims against counterjihadists like us here (and like Geert Wilders, who get's a huge opposition, from INFIDELS, when he opposes Islam).
Defending Islam and Muslims here happens everywhere and all the time, on TV, in newspapers, in conversations, by political parties and leaders. And remember how Barack Obama and David Cameron always excuse Islam and Muslims.
So it behooves Muslims to: A. On occasion, Criticize and blame other Muslims also, not just the infidels(even the Israeli's) . And B. to support, on occasion, infidels (including infidel nations) AGAINST fellow Muslims. But, according to David Solway's article, this is something Moderate Muslims seldom or never (dare to) do.
//"we debate about the Misunderstood matters.."//
Ali Sina and posters here seem to have "misunderstood" Islam, according to many Muslims. Deliberately with bad intentions, they think.
But much of what counterjihadists write, comes from: The authentic sources of Islam, AND from highly influential Islamic schools of thought (like Shafi-Hanafi-Hanbali, Malike, like Al Azhar-Cairo) AND from TV-interviews and declarations from Muslims themselves, from leaders and followers alike. Counterjihadist (like MEMRI-TV, Jihad Watch) report very Islamic motivations for terrorist acts and oppressive behavior done by Muslims. OFTEN (every day).
And has it ever occurred to you and Muslims in general that the fault of misunderstanding really lies with
"FAULTY INSTRUCTIONS" from Islam, from Quran-Hadiths-Sira???
You see, we know that at least the Quran may not be altered ONE IOTA, because it is the perfect word of God. But of course, times change, and the Quran, and also the Hadiths and Sira, cannot possibly cover every circumstance of human behavior and experience and changes in them. it HAS to be incomplete, unclear, ambiguous (hence the many misunderstandings) and obsolete.
Perhaps, as Hamed Abdel-Samad (German-Arab writer) wrote; Muslims are too RIGID, not FLEXIBLE enough. Because of "faulty instructions" that cannot be updated. And since Muslims no longer seem to be able to conquer the world and stifle all opposition, what are they going to do about it?
We can assume for the sake of debate, that you, Sura, represent Islam and Muslims. Even though we have to keep in mind, that you may only be an Islam-apologist, not really meaning what you say and omitting a lot of anti-democratic beliefs that you have.
But I commend your willingness to debate any way.
In your post you are very civil and respectful and that's nice. But it is important for you to understand that the democratic principle of freedom of speech, for good reason, does allow very harsh criticism and does NOT AIM TO PROTECT THE FEELINGS of people who feel insulted.
Of course there are rules and boundaries to free speech, like not saying anything to anyone on the streets and public places. But this is internet, and there is TV, newspapers and all media, from which people can retreat, and there even insults are very much allowed.
You have to understand that this rule is for all sides, persons, groups. And so Muslims should not seek any exemption to the rule, arguing that Islam, or Mohammed, is somehow too sacred to insult.
And you have to understand that some people can get offended by even the slightest criticism in order to stop it. So it is a bad idea to set out to defend the FEELINGS of people with censorship.
Because even insults can have very good effects. Whereas only gentle criticism may make people yawn and give excuses for not responding, it is insults that make them respond instantly and think very hard, if only to refute charges.
All in all, so many Muslims being against some radical implications of freedom of speech, like insulting, and intent on censorship, really presents "infidels" with a big threat and a big blockade to real democracy in Islamic countries.
I gather that although you say that there is only ONE Islam, you do realize all too well, that there is gigantic diversity and disagreement about the interpretation of Islam, or Quran-Hadiths-Sira among Muslims. You are sad about the current state of the Ummah, the policies of Saudi Arabia and do not agree in all things with Mullahs. That's good.
But still you speak with confidence, almost with authority, about "Islam" and what it is and is not, what it ordains and what it forbids. But from our standpoint, with all due respect, this seems only YOUR interpretation of Islam, in which you fervently believe, believing also that deviations from YOUR Islam are wrong. So that you think that Ali Sina and we here are protesting only the wrong interpretation of Islam. But if we are right, then perhaps YOUR interpretation is on some points the wrong "Islam".
There is so much to sort out between us counterjihadists who aim to defend and promote free, democratic societies and you Muslims. As we think that many of the 1.57 billion Muslims are in opposition to democratic values, principles and laws AND democratic Nations and threathening, speaking against them.
Well, you are a remarkable girl and I am glad you want to debate with us, and I hope you will continue to do so although you are very busy with exams and thank you for that.
@sura,
//And as to his uncel ( abu lahab) he has done atrociose things to muslims ( i know my religion) he spat on him..called him a liar..//
I don't know if Abu Lahab spat on Muhammad you can furnish some reference. According to Ibn Sa'd's KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR Volume 1, Parts 1.19.6 he was a gentle, charming and generous man. Calling a man liar isn't a crime especially when he is intent upon rubbishing your religious beliefs.
//he and his wife put fire and forks in the road of muslim whenever they saw them..etc//
As if they had no other work. It is said that Umm Jamil used to throw stones and garbage in Muhammad's path, and I agree that it was a non-civil transgression on their part. But then Muhammad went about trashing their beliefs openly. Any person would have been offended as indeed many among the Quraish did.
//he had multible uncles like abu taleb..who never entered islam..but was more dear to the prophet than anyone//
In fact the other way around. Abu Talib loved Muhammad. He was the reason why Muhammad wasn't skinned and flogged by the Meccan in the first place. The very fact that despite so much love for Muhammad the old man never become a Muslim tells you that he definitely saw the ruse.
//and expelling the jews!!!! when he arrived at madina he wrote a document which contained rules of comunity..and he ordered that the jews of madina are a nation with muslims with the same political rights and duties and that they have freedom of worship and non of muslims can fight with nor can the jews.//
Muhammad was in exile in Madina. Who was he to even frame rules upon natives of the city which had given him refuge? He was called in as an arbitrator by one particular delegation from Medina and he ended up drafting an unilateral proclamation. Although nominally given equal rights Muhammad drafted the following clause: Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.
It is this particular clause which makes the enemy of Ummah the enemy of the Jews and other Pagans too (the opposite clause doesn't exist). Something which was overlooked first and caused tension later. You fight my war and you pay for it too!!! And why the war indeed? Because Muhammad and his brigand started attacking Meccan and other trading caravans. Thats the background against which Battle of Badr was fought. Off course the Jews never wanted to be party to wars of this kind and the ones fought later. So Muhammad grew an animosity which was further given air by the Jews wanting to upheld their personal Mosaic Law (which they had every right to since that is a religious law). This fateful sequence of events culminated in expelling the Jews from their own home. Battered and butchers. Often all adult males were killed, women and children were sold in slavery.
// the prophet went to thier places to converse about why they did..and they tried to kill him…//
Authentic primary reference please. A shahi hadeeth wil do.
And the constructive critisicm of islam is not against islamic law if it is again without insults…thank u Demsci…i like ur questions..:)
I acknowledge the right of other to debate about religion ofcourse…and im not a munafiq…islam acknowledges it too…as to mr.sina's articals..i dont prefer them to be in this matter…or to set out false thought and horrible insults…but his right in islam is to debate with no insults and without false pretends against the reasonbllity of the human mind.
Cchuckc…im sorry for the misunderstanding..but i was saying that i would love to explain it to u thoroughly..but im a bit busy…and needs believe me…a simple replay or" ten things" can change a bit of thought but not a man's life time conviction..and i have really narrow time at the moment..exams:( but after i hear from u about all u understand and we debate about the Misunderstood matters…then i can but hope the better image will come out. :)..thank u though..:)
Know the enemy…is there away to contact u directly?? ..hope u replay
Know the enemy i just watched the video…a looot of intesity obviously…i never liked loud clerics..anyway…what he said about the jews being our enemies…that is not true…bad people weather they we jews or muslims or any other are our enemies…ISREAL is the right world in using…and they are our enemy and the enemy of many other…they took the peoples home with no right…the slaughter by the thousends…they have lost thier humanity..we will fight them…i hope…in defence…of the rights taken…of all the people murdered…of all the lands burnt…of all the holy place discrased..in defence of jerusalem which has never known piece..of the burnt mousqe..of the ruined churches..etc…and the jews and christians..the quran never called them infidels..it called them ( ahl al-ketab) which means the people of the book…but who ever of them does harm by islam are infidels…and the hadiths talking about the rocks and trees is known..to be untrue and falsly related…and about the fight in the of time it is in the quran..about how thier will be a fight among different religions but it never states of an anihilation!!!!!…islamic law states about the relationship with jews and christians to be one of peace (we have our religion and they have thiers) and if amuslim is to debate religiously with the people of the book it must be with no insult nor hatred..with respect and without forcing…and everything said must be judge by reasonable thought..etc…there are cults in islam ones diverted from the true one…this cleric can be one of them…i dont like listening to most clerics in general..i just stick to my beliefs of humanity by simply turning to the quran and True sayings of the prophet if i wish to know my religion better…i love all there is to life even though my country is occupied by isreal and my people are under injustes while i watch…feeling helpless and powerless…i dont hate the jews…and i hate generalisation..and i simply political leaders…politics is corruption…and i with any loving muslim are to do anything…anything we can to ultar the horrible image of our religion in the understanding of others.:)..i will try to read mr.sina's articals and i hope…i truly hope i can show u what he has misunderstood about islam and its prophet -peace be upon him and upon all the prophets-…but until then..my haven..my higher truth..is a message of peace..for mankind…just to simply and purely understand…his exictance as a whole..his heart…his mind..opening doirs to things he never knew exsisted…and to believe that this world will never be again..that there is so much.. so much !!!! we are missing. Believe in ur importance and ur helpnessness and the mighty power of ur mind.
@sura,
// i hope to give a better image than the one in ur understanding…i hope i wont be long//
In fact you are too short. The 'better image' didn't came out 🙂
Im not speaking to all of u to relate the mischief of others…and u being convinced ha its importance to u..i will reply shortly…a bit busy…but thanks for ur concern cchuckc.. i hope to give a better image than the one in ur understanding…i hope i wont be long 🙂
And about destroying the mousqe!! please!!! ..judge ur mind and thought..that is unreasonable.
And as to his uncel ( abu lahab) he has done atrociose things to muslims ( i know my religion) he spat on him..called him a liar…he and his wife put fire and forks in the road of muslim whenever they saw them..etc..and he had multible uncles like abu taleb..who never entered islam..but was more dear to the prophet than anyone…when he passed..the year was called by the prophet ( the year of sorrow)..and about setting Fire to some worshipers..believe me..he did no such thing…it is a sin..and against islamic morality…and expelling the jews!!!! when he arrived at madina he wrote a document which contained rules of comunity..and he ordered that the jews of madina are a nation with muslims with the same political rights and duties and that they have freedom of worship and non of muslims can fight with nor can the jews…but the jews broke the rules and the prophet went to thier places to converse about why they did..and they tried to kill him…so he ordered them out of the city…ur not reading everything whole nor right…thank u for ur intrest.
With all due respect that shows ur lack of knowledge of quran…it does not order muslims to not take friends of nonmuslims..or to cut relations with family because of the differance in religion…Absolutly Not..it specificly says to do good by ur family and to never cut relations with them for any reason…and as i said in earlier replies..it call for human interaction between people to help reduce the differance…it especially prays for the interaction between us and people with various religions such as making friends.
@sura,
//but paigens at the time of the prophet..did great harm to muslim//
Can you cite some examples? May be 10 extreme cases will convince me that indeed these were so grave that it required their places of worships and idols to be defaced, broken, and burnt?
You have also tried not to answer my second set of questions.
According to you, the true islam is to be found in the quran and the sayings of the 'prophet'.
It is in the quran that you should not make friends with the infidels and even your family who have not embraced muhammadanism. The 'prophet' practiced this by hating one of his uncles, Abu Lahab, very bitterly. Muhahhad said that the uncle and his wife were denizens of hell.
It is in the quran that infidels should be killed wherever they are found after the 'holy months'. The' prophet' did not even wait for the 'holy months' to expire before attacking the Quraish. He attacked and destroyed or expelled the Jewish communities of Medina. He also destroyed a mosque built in his honor at Dhu Awan and set some of the worshipers on fire.
Those were some of your 'prophets's' authentic sayings in the quran and as put into practice by him. Should those be followed or discarded when, as a muhammadan, you are not permitted to deviate from what allah and its apostle have decided?
Islamic countries take on politics..not religion these days…how do u know that the people..i among these..do not ache to the sight of these horrible done against human beings like us…in the of islam never the less.
Insulting will not lead anywhere…forget about religions…look at it from a larger frame…the Misunderstanding….it never ended well…its consequences lead to utter caose…yet again i say…i speak to u in this replay a human..like u…im telling u…that our human interaction could have been alot different if i was a nonmuslim i know…but the question remains…when did human beings change…where man no longer took to respect to his brother man just by the accasion of being..the most small and preciouse being..created by the one and only..:)
No i dont…who is Narcole???
@sura
Don't go after the preachings of your idiot prophet,please concentrate on his deeds ,he forcibly married a six year old toddler and raped her at 9 (not to say he was of the age of grand father to that victim). This is uncold on the part of a real prophet. He is indeed a hypocrite and a Charlton,and of course you too,
@ sura
World has not forgotten the destruction's of Bamiyan Buddha's.None of the Islamic country considered it as sin.
Sir or ma'am…i was simply relating an example..but any other religion which does envolve worship of other than god are to be left to their matter we have no right to treastpass against them…but paigens at the time of the prophet..did great harm to muslim…thats he did what he did ….but those who ruin any place of worship are not true muslims and do not listen to the laws of islam.
As to the ummah…its a sad matter to my heart…i throw objectitvity from the window when it comes to this…its political..not religious…i've read history…about countless nations…and never found a sadder tale…forget that they are muslims…those are the ones who had lost thier way..gravely..i hope the ummah can remmember the times of cultural glory..and the times where we have come upon a pure understanding with others…sad indeed…how human being change steadfastly…and that only proofs that i care about my nation politicly religously and sadly…about loosing thier humanity slowly..( certain parties ofcourse not all ummah).
Im Not a stealth jhadist..humans!!..im just a muslim…im a living a proof and millions of others that islam has no horrible..that side has been presented to u on a plate of silver…and when it comes to the true islamic the ones in the quran and the true sayings of the prophet…i believe them to be true…i dont stand against them because i choose not to….humans!!! my search for truth has not come to an end..i know..but finding islam has been the greatest help along the way for higher truths than the debate over religions.
When Demsci challenged you to "tell us if you support or oppose (death)penalty for apostates", your response was ["but who ever was a born muslim and willingly converted..according to islamic law he is killed. true"]
You are living proof that you are a stealth jihadi!
["Saudi arabia..has more mistakes than one in presenting islam to the world…its a sin to us to ban anyone from practising thier religious rituals in safety..like building thier churches or temples or any other."]
So why is it that ummah never protests against Saudi Arabia, as they do against western countries over little things?
And why is it that ummah does not prohibit the Saudis from calling themselves 'Muslims', as they do with Ahmadiyas?
Demsci said [" I challenge you to tell us if you support or oppose (death)penalty for apostates."]
In response sura said ["….and as killing non muslims we do not do that but who ever was a born muslim and willingly converted..according to islamic law he is killed. true"]
I notice you did not say you oppose death penalty for a murtad. It means David Solway is correct about moderate Muslims! They are nothing but stealth jihadis.
["…i carry out my search for truth with objectivity. "]
Great….then you have come to just the right website! You have heard all the good things about Islam, which we believe is nothing but politically correct stuff (in other words- sweet LIES). Here on this site you will learn the bitter truth….that is, the ugly side of Islam and Mohammad. I strongly suggest you start from these two articles-
Holland C Tylor 1
Holland C Tylor 2
@Sura
How about Narcole do u know her ?You smells like her .
I learned about christianity from a priest ( a neighbour of mine…a good man) and about judasim from the public library..history of jerusalem mostly…from books written by non muslims….i carry out my search for truth with objectivity.
@sura,
//its a sin to us to ban anyone from practising thier religious rituals in safety..like building thier churches or temples or any other. //
Hmmm…why should there be a question of 'safety' in temples and churches only? In fact tell me how many pagan places of worships have been left standing in Islamic countries? You can start with Saudi Arabia itself, there were many city states with their patron gods, idols and their temples, were they left unscathed from Islamic expansions even when Muhammad was still alive (In fact he presided over there destruction).
If you are so much in love about humanity don't you think that people be allowed to practice their religion in their own way including public gathering like Christian mass, or Hindu processions or Shia Tajias or even Atheistic public debates/gatherings as long as it is within well defined civic limits (For example not after 10 pm in the night, not obstructing traffic or not causing riots etc )? And if not, don't you think Muslims should also be disallowed from making public religious gatherings?
Know the enemy…thanks for your remarks…i will watch what u said…and i will get back to in moments..thank u
Hi to all..:)..to who ever reads this there is only one islam and the radical interpretation of it is false..it is a message to humanity..therefore it is humane…a call for peace among man and his brother man..it calls for battle only on the accasion of injustes and tyrents…in the cause of defending of conquering ( without bloodshed) it respects all heavenly and nonheavenly religions..it respects women more than u know ( im a woman)…it has no contradiction to any scientific fact…it call for human productive thought and creativity…there is no old or moderate…its laws come suitable for any time and place ( as i said for humanity) ..there is but one islam…a ONe for mankind where man is man and God is one and only
//".i dont support the critisize against islam but i fully support the fare debates between people with different beliefs..and to note i do not support mr , sina's articles they are offensive but i appresiate his will to debate. "//
You do not have to SUPPORT Criticism of Islam or Mr. Sina's articles, you just have to acknowledge that they must be ALLOWED and are fully legal and not against any law.
You seem to acknowledge that, but don't you think that other Muslims, who firmly believe criticism of Islam and most certainly Mr. Sina's articles ARE against Islamic law, will call you, for acknowledging that they are OK, a "Munafiq"? And will you then, on occasion, defend mr. Sina's RIGHT to write ALL of his articles to the face of radical Muslims?
And you show us that David Solway, and Ali Sina, is right in some cases at least, by admitting that you too support the Deathpenalty for apostasy, saying both that that is Islamic law and that you are a true Muslim (meaning that of course you support THAT Islamic law).
But you should know that deathpenalty for apostasy is very contradictory to democratic law and very offensive to democratic people, like Ali Sina and most posters here.
And so you seem like one of those who speak and behave "Moderate", but for that reason are called "Munafiq" by radical Muslims, who never do anything meaningful to help infidels against radical Muslims.
Thank you for replying, Sura, I am a man, are you woman or man?
Many infidels make the distinction between "Moderate" and "Extremist or Radical" Muslims or "Islamists" and say that the Islamists are the real enemy of the free, democratic nations, but that the Moderates are good people and they will help us infidels. Barack Obama and David Cameron, leaders of US and UK, say this and also that Islam is a religion of peace and that the Moderates (the majority) have the right interpretation of Islam and the Islamists (the minority) the wrong, extreme interpretation. Other people, like Daniel Pipes, hope that Islam will eventually be reformed by Moderate Muslims.
But Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and many other infidels, just like Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey and Anjem Choudary, radical Islam preacher, say that there is only ONE Islam. And that that one true Islam really is the radical, extremist interpretation of Islam.
And David Solway, writer of the article I linked to, said that the so-called Moderate Muslims are called by many radical, extremist Muslims "MUNAFIQ'. And he says that almost nowhere those "Munafiq" choose to support infidels against radical Muslims when the radical Muslims attack infidels. Then the Munafiq either remain silent or choose the side of the radical Muslims, he says.
Saudi arabia..has more mistakes than one in presenting islam to the world…its a sin to us to ban anyone from practising thier religious rituals in safety..like building thier churches or temples or any other.
Im not a munafiq*****….wrongly typed…munafiq…sorry
Hello..to sum up..sir or ma'am..im a monafiq..and with all due respect your understanding of the munafiq is entirly misled..a munafiq is a person ( of any religion) whom his acts are contradictive to his beliefs..as to islamic view..he is someone who shows to other muslims that he is good and one of them..but infact he is not..or does good deeds to get people's admiration rather than god's..im a true muslim..i dont support the critisize against islam but i fully support the fare debates between people with different beliefs ..and to note i do not support mr , sina's articles they are offensive but i appresiate his will to debate. and as killing non muslims we do not do that but who ever was a born muslim and willingly converted..according to islamic law he is killed. true
//"Im a living proof its not true and millions of others"//
I hope that you are. Listen, it is known that Japan, although a rich country, which is rapidly aging in terms of the average life of it's people, is not allowing immigrants and especially Islamic immigrants to migrate in.
In contrast the Western countries did and do allow millions of Muslims to migrate in, many for humanitarian reasons.
Now the question to Muslims is; Can they prove to Westerners and Japanese which of these 2 strategies is the better one for the freedom, happiness and prosperity of their countries?
Can Muslims provide the Westerners with arguments pro-Islamic immigrations, short of an Islamic takeover of course?
Or do they and will they in practice show that the Japanese and now perhaps the Angolese strategy of refusing Muslim immigrants is the more prudent and beneficial one? For democracies and states based on principles of Judeo-Christian and Enlightenment? David Solway says that Islam is dragging the Western countries back to the dark ages.
Hi..i loving the bible doesnt require faith because i enjoyed reading it and found somewhat spiritual but the authentisy and the christian history..and the alteration in some verses in the bible and sorry to say but it has so much contradiction to it that felt content in simply loving christianity and respecting it.
//".hatred is not tolirated in islam against any human who does no harm to others or different from i's believes…and believe me anything u have ever known apposing that… IM A LIVING PROOF"//
http://pjmedia.com/blog/is-the-game-lost/
In this article David Solway describes the role of "moderate muslims" and he says that they are called by other Muslims: "Munafiq", Hypocrites. And he uses that name for them also, saying the other Muslims are either the Violent Jihadists or the Stealth Jihadists.
He says that Munafiqs will remain inactive to help any infidels at any time, even when they are arrested or killed by other Muslims, especially when that happens and is reported in Islamic countries, due to a Quranic injunction to never help disbelievers,
and that many Munafiqs (especially their children, the young ones from age 16 to 24) can easily change into jihadists.
Munafiqs can have so many opinions contrary to Western Democratic Values and he points these out in the article. For instance, Muslims can be of the opinion that someone is free to choose a religion, as you do here, but still believe that "apostates" from Islam should be killed, punished. As poll after poll among Muslims shows that many do. I challenge you to tell us if you support or oppose (death)penalty for apostates.
Many Munafiqs also support censorship when it comes to criticizing Islam. Do you?
If Angola is reported to ban mosques, munafiqs probably will protest, speak evil of it, but why don't they then by the same token complain about Saudi Arabia's ban of churches? Etc.
Im a living proof its not true and millions of others
Ofcourse i do not hate any of them…nor does islam…but it had prayed us to debate with them reasonibly and without insult or hatred about the rationality of their believes not to force thier minds into accepting something they refuse for themselves but to strengthen the human interaction…to sum up…hatred is not tolirated in islam against any human who does no harm to others or different from i's believes…and believe me anything u have ever known apposing that… IM A LIVING PROOF 🙂
And it is not as if Muslims do not attack other religions or darwinists, kafirs of any sort. Bill Warner examined the trilogy; Quran-Hadiths-Sira and found that their contents were for a very large part about infidels and that that part was overwhelmingly negative to them. I believe more than half of the Quran is about the infidels, saying how to view, treat them and how bad their fate in the afterlife will be.
You should face it; Religions and lifestyles compete. Not just for the current generation, but for all generations still to come. And that's a good thing. Let mankind see both good and bad points of the major religions/ lifestyles and choose wisely.
And when in future Islam is largely replaced by some better competitor religion/ lifestyle, who cares if Islam is attacked or not? It will be ignored THEN allright. But right now it is still HUGE and hugely influential and it cannot be wholly ignored by it's competitors.
I think you have to see this what is written here in context. The context is that Islam indeed often IS ignored by most infidels most of the time. Furthermore there are many infidels who even defend and praise Islam, as of course the Muslims do.
If in this context all infidels would refrain from criticizing, exposing, holding accountable Islam, Muslims would declare that there was only praise of Islam and nothing wrong said or reported about Islam and the detrimental actions of Muslims directly bad influenced by Islam. But there is so much suffering and backwardness because of Islam in 1400 years and ongoing, about which you can read here.
Now that Muslims no longer can violently suppress exposing Islam and it's bad influence, and now that they cannot stop criticism on Islam to reach the attention of Muslims,
NOW some of them ask: Why are you spending so much time on Islam?
Low self-esteem? NO!
Feeling unsecure? YES! Day in and day out the followers of Islam have been killing, bombing, and otherwise doing evil things to others. We are not so dumb to believe that such horrid things will not happen to us or to our loved ones! That is why we help expose the true face of Muhammad to the world (including to Muslims).
@Sura
If you feel bible is liking ,why? you follow Islam ,the crap philosophy.
["…i can never hate any christian or jew nor my religion orders me to do so…"] Sura, please listen to this four minute speech by Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Yaqoub, and please tell us that you are right and he is wrong about what Islam orders Muslims to do. Before you respond however, remember that he is a Islamic cleric and is educated enough [in Islam] that Al-Rehma TV considered him eligible to give a speech on Islamic matters. And that his claims have not been challenged by any other cleric or Islamic authority yet. ["…but i hate any human being who runs over human rights and takes the people's home with no right or does anything to harm the safty of others like the bloody terrorist who are not and never will be muslims…"] If you are honest about what you say then it means 2 things- 1) You are a very good person and the world will be a better place if you stick to the above mentioned belief of yours! 2) You have not read the sahih hadiths (eg Bukhari) because if you had, you would have known that it was Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) who did all those evil things and lots more. You would also have known that all the horrid things that Muslims have done since Islam's inception, they did them (and continue to do them) precisely because of their belief in Quran and sunnah. Please read the sahih hadiths! And then read Ali Sina's articles here on this site (start from the very first of his articles). And then tell us what it is that he is missing about Muhammad and about Islam.
Most of the comments in the post here, attack Islam, without knowledge or sense. If Islam is such a unworthy religion, why are you spending so much time writing and talking about it and not just ignoring it. Are you feeling unsecure with low self esteem also?
@sura
//i can never hate any christian or jew nor my religion orders me to do so//
Fine. What about polytheists, Idol worshippers, Atheist and any other Non-Abrahamic denomination?
["Yes but not whole…but i fully learned about all three religions…"]
How did you learn about religions besides Islam? Did you simply listen to what the mullahs told you, or did you actually watch how the xians/jews were practicing their faiths? Did you read articles [about other faiths] at Muslim websites, or did you actually read stuff written by clerics of these other faiths? Or did you look up on wikipedia about other faiths?
["…but think about…truly think about it…the cause of ur existance is to think…about all there is to life.."]
I fully agree with you. But the problem with Quran is that it says the opposite of what you say. It does not want followers to think, it just wants them to obey. When we *think*, questions pop up in our minds. Questions like "Why did the prophet marry 11 women when Allah restricted all Muslim men to 4 women? And why did he have intercourse with some of his wives before getting married to them? Wouldn't that be zina on the prophet's part?" ….. and many other questions.
Sura 5:101-102 however commands followers NOT to ask questions. It says people who ask questions LOSE faith (in the prophethood of Muhammad, and in Islam). Indirectly it is saying that followers should just blindly accept whatever response Islam gives "about all there is to life"!
["we are surrounded by such beauty and mystery and yet we choose to occupy our minds with religions and politics and finance…when we should find our way…which we have lost long ago"]
You have some nice thoughts and I agree with you. But these are your thoughts! These are not backed by Quran or Sunnah. Once you are in Islam, you are NOT free to 'find your way'. Finding your way is accepted only *before* you become Muslim and that too if you choose Islam to be the right way. If a religion other than Islam seems to be the right way to you, then Islam calls you a kafir (someone who is deliberately being infidel to Islam) and requires that you be treated as a dirty inferior creature.
Note;..when i read the bible i fell in love with christianity and i love it still and jesus christ and all the prophets-peace be upon them-are more dear to me than my heart…also with judasim…i can never hate any christian or jew nor my religion orders me to do so…but i hate any human being who runs over human rights and takes the people's home with no right or does anything to harm the safty of others like the bloody terrorist who are not and never will be muslims…the have lost thier humanity and they use the name of islam ti justify the horrid acts…sorry for the long answer…hope u reply
Yes but not whole…but i fully learned about all three religions…and the parts that i read from all three holy books have not sufficed as the ones from the quran…its not because im an arab…i let my mind judge which is more true and which is valid for every time and place..and most importantly..which is more scientificly related to life…forget politics..its corruption to the mind…but think about…truly think about it…the cause of ur existance is to think…about all there is to life..we are surrounded by such beauty and mystery and yet we choose to occupy our minds with religions and politics and finance…when we should find our way…which we have lost long ago
Sura,
"–THOUGH IT DOESN'T HATE U–AND NEVER DONE MAN INJUSTES AND WHO EVER DID DOES NOT BELONG TO ISLAM–".
That is the falsehood of the decade. My country men and women are being mowed down in dozens daily and destruction on an unprecedented scale is hauled on the country by muhammadans. Still you claim it does not hate me and never 'done any injustes'. Muhammad declared war on humanity and divided the world into the house of war and the house of islam. His followers have taken after him to unleash endless war on the world. That to you is muhammadan justice. Unfortunately for you the perpetrators of these crimes call themselves "muslims".
["….so read the bible..quran..tulmod and let ur mind decide which is more human not which is more rewarding or frightning..by the way..i did so..im a muslim….."]
Did you read the Bible, Talmud, or any other holy book, sura??
Hi…to be fare i only read the name u have put and that let out quite enough..u hate!! islam..though it doesnt hate u…and has never done man injustes and who ever did does not belong to islam..and wht ever u hear apposing that is a lie a human emmotional and false interpretation of facts
To who ever wrote this…i do not know u…but i am a mere human and so r u…having said that ..in our nature we seek a haven and a higher truth ..the word religion has corrupted our minds…we pretended we r experts in all there is to heavenly laws and that we've mastered our minds though we t neither so i ask of u..human to human!..bare no lie..do not search books of men and be done..but the far end of the earth to seek the truth even if u come a bout more lies than one…dont ask a man about his religion read it ur self for he will praise it and tell lies so read the bible..quran..tulmod and let ur mind decide which is more human not which is more rewarding or frightning..by the way..i did so..im a muslim..a human..i tell no lie of my choice
//" I have found this Holy Book to contain such enlightening information that it certainly seems like the work of a Divine Being."// Well, Islam REALLY coming from God and Muslims telling the truth about that is IMO the SOLE valid reason to adhere to Islam. I mean, the other reasons you gave and those other Muslims give for them adhering to Islam don't mean anything if Islam is just as MANMADE as all sorts of human laws and psychology and SO …. UNTRUE! And so…. falsely promising an afterlife (THAT can't be a motivation if you doubt Islam's divine origine).
Look, you have freedom of religion. But you have to understand that you judged Ali Sina's articles as GARBAGE, while IDENTICAL and SIMILAR beliefs about Islam are held by MILLIONS of Muslims. Who are hostile to democracy, the West, who treat women worse than men and infidels worse than believers, who suppress in their own territories freedom of religion, freedom of speech. And shiites in Iran do force their dresscodes upon ALL women in Iran. Are you denying that? If not, are you OK with that? If not, that is not garbage, when we write about it, is it? So why don't you ackowledge some faults of other Muslims, Shiites even, too, when you criticize Ali Sina?
Look, you present to us some kind of interpretation of Islam that is different from Ali Sina's interpretation of Islam. But how do YOU and do WE know which is the right interpretation of Islam; that of Islam-apologists like you or that of both many Islamic clerics AND Islam-critics like Ali Sina? Because Ali Sina mostly only acknowledges what Islamic clerics are saying.
Do all those MISUNDERSTANDERS of Islam, who do call themselves Muslims not bother you? Perhaps everything happens for a reason and perhaps YOU should look differently either at Islam or at your fellow Muslims around the world. And appreciate OUR concerns about YOUR fellow-Muslims.
And by the way; It is Islam we oppose, or some of it's many different interpretations, which can be dangerous and detrimental to "infidels" in Islamic countries,
but we do respect all MUSLIMS, just as you respect every person.
@Sarah
Sarah rest of the world is at peace ,why? so much violence we see in the Muslim world .Your Qur'an is crap wake up, otherwise one day you will end up in lunatic asylum ha ha ha.
FYI to all those who replied to my post and are stereotyping me as an ignorant Muslim who just believes in whatever he or she reads or is told, I am a family physician residing in Vancouver. My parents consider themselves Christians but they are not very religious. Hence, my entire life growing up I felt really lost and questioned the purpose of life often. In my spare time, I became interested in studying different religions. This study was self initiated and of course I stumbled at countless pro and anti religious websites. Islam intrigued me the most and made the most sense to me out of all the religions. Unlike Christianity, which has numerous versions of the Bible, Quran has consistently stayed the same for 1400 years. I have found this Holy Book to contain such enlightening information that it certainly seems like the work of a Divine Being. I converted to Islam about 10 years ago and embraced Shiism about 2 years ago and all I will say to you people is that Islam is NOT just the Quran and Prophet Mohammed. In order to truly understand this religion, you have to study the entire history of Islam and fundamentally, if one truly understands its teachings, this religion tells you how to become the best person you possibly can. At least, that is what I have gained from it and I have never been more satisfied with my life and who I am as an individual than I have been since I discovered this religion. I hope all of you here find peace as well in your lives and if ganging up on Islam gives you peace then so be it. Unfortunately, my religion teaches me to respect every person regardless of their race, culture, or religion.
In case anyone is interested, here is a link to one of the best translations of the Quran, in my opinion at least. http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/qur…
One more final note, I am surprised as to why no one has commented on the link I posted before…  ;http://smma59.wordpress.com/page/2/?s=marriage
Thank you Dr Ali for this enlightenment. It's been a great pleasure reading this article. It contains so much truth in it that it amazes us of the vast wisdom you had for this religion. This is the way they have been…lying through deception to promote the cult. Fortunately, people have come to their realization these days made possible through the use of the internet and the social media. Things cannot be hidden anymore. Truth will prevail and must continue to prevail without ceasing. All Muslim countries must equipped themselves with education. No citizens of these countries must be deprived of education. Why do they've to feel threaten if their citizens are provided education. They cannot continue this way. By doing so they're depriving their own lot knowledge and better livelihood which they can advance in society and on par with the rest of the world.
//"The actions of a believer does not necessarily define his or her religion. We need not to understand who Muslims are but rather study the religion itself and get to know what true ISLAM is all about."//
This is spoken from the standpoint of Muslims. But there are many humans who consider Islam untrue and not useful for mankind and who can formulate better alternatives for it, like the democratic system, scientific attitude, different moral systems or even alternative religions like Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. And who want mankind to largely replace Islam with something better in their mind in the 21st century.
That being said, of course Islam can coexist with it's alternatives if it does not threathen Democracy and in totalitarian Islamic nations the followers of other religions.
But Robert Spencer of JihadWatch, helped by MEMRI-tv, which monitors TV in Islamic countries, and sermons from perfectly Islamic clerics and leaders and ordinary Muslims, shows almost every day that how Islam-apologists in the West are interpreting Islam (or whitewashing Islam) is so much in contradiction to what seems to be taught in Islamic nations and among Muslims.
And what Robert Spencer and Ali Sina and many other counterjihadists really expose is what Muslim clerics, leaders and followers (so also Shafi-Hanafi-Hanbali-Maliki) THEMSELVES ALSO SAY. Bot jihadists and counterjihadists do use the same Quran-Hadiths-Sira AND Tafsirs! And interpret them in the same way, with the only difference that the jihadists are pro and the counterjihadists are contra.
And THAT is the real problem of Muslims, Sarah, their own disunity and contradictions. But as usual, it is the counterjihadists that Islam-apologists attack, but NOT the jihadists who basically say the same as the counterjihadists.
So instead of us generalising Muslims, it is perhaps best policy for counterjihadists to let Islam-apologists firmly distance and separate themselves from the more literal, totalitarian and jihadist Muslims, in favor of widespread democracy.
Hallo Sarah, I wish to respond. Agree, Islam is very successful and powerful. And in a way very appealing somehow. But we do posit that:
Spiritually speaking and especially politically speaking Islam has competitors that we consider much better for humans. Especially politically; the democratic system beats the totalitarian shariah system.
And even were Muslims in vast majority to become democratic (as the Turks now largely are) even then mankind can lavish on good spiritual and scientific alternatives for Islam, which Islam now blocks, because it occupies the loyalty and brains of so many Muslims so much.
Islam is not very useful for mankind in the 21st century, which has better alternatives for person and society
and anyway it cannot prove it is telling the truth about it's origine comes from God, and Muslims will be rewarded in heaven for being Muslims. Believing that is at best a GAMBLE, and the explanation that Islam is just as manmade as all laws of democratic society and all philosophic writing is much more plausible than Islam being true.
And anyway, isn't 1400 years of waiting ENOUGH for God to either end this Islam-period with judgement-day or send a new prophet, with new instructions for mankind, after the vast changes mankind experienced in that long period? How much longer will mankind give God to prove Islam is from HIM? After which time will Muslims finally give Islam up?
In 2 or 3 generations those political, spiritual and scientific alternatives could in theory replace belief in Islam and subsequent generations would not feel any desire to invest lifepurpose and time in Islam. This is our vision.
Dear Sarah,
I was about to write a detailed response to your comment but then I remembered that according to Muhammad Muslimahs are deficient in intelligence. So please explain why any of us should waste our time even reading your posts! And please tell us What is in it for Muslim women?
Just in case your mullah didn't tell you about Muhammad declaring Muslimahs to be deficient in intelligence and religion, here is the hadith-
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: “Allah’s Apostle passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” (Bukhari: 1: 6: 301)
So please tell us- why should any of us waste our time with you?
Also, if you believe we took this hadith out of context, please educate us about what the correct context is!
@Sarah
Instead of making open ended statements, why don't you pick up a topic and refute it? I see that you are wrongly publicizing that Islam is the fastest growing religion as if it is becoming ever more popular!! It is true that the population of Musalmans as a % of world population is increasing but that is more because of uncontrolled population growth in most Islamic countries (and a religious injunction in most of them to avoid family planning, birth control and contraception). Where does this additional population go? Many of them, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis for example, migrate to Western countries, most illegally. Now when exotic religions (Islam less so now than say in mid eighties) enter an open minded society (in the religious sense) it is natural for them to attract the 'floaters'. And then you have the Islamic tenet to not marry a non-muslim. Of course no such prohibition in making a girl/man fall for you in the first place!! My personal experience says in the West most people are either becoming athiest or accepting Buddhism. Buddhism is the fastest growing major religion in the West today. And in the past century Bahai faith grew faster than any other major religion.
Bible is not corrupt. Islam also recognizes Bible as one of the holy books that was sent by God. The four revealed books mentioned by name in the Qur'an are the Torah (revealed to Moses), the Zabur (revealed to David), the Injil (Gospel) (revealed to Jesus), and the Qur'an itself and Muslims are asked to respect all 4 of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_holy_books
http://smma59.wordpress.com/page/2/?s=marriage
I have read many of Mr. Sina's articles and have found them to be complete garbage. If I didn't know better I would say that he is being paid by someone to spread false propaganda about Islam because people feel threatened by this religion as it is, no matter what the causes are, the fastest growing religion in the world. Anti-Islam campaigns have been started solely to stop this growth.
In fact, propaganda against Islam and the Prophet has been going on even when the Prophet was alive. People used to spit on his face, throw stones on him, and despised him. Christians and Jews of that time would spread false rumors about him, which sadly continues to this day. In fact, many Kings and rulers of that time converted to Islam just to gain popularity among the civilians but they too assisted in tarnishing the image of the Prophet because they envied his popularity and didn't like the fact that he declared alcohol, fornication, and among other things haram.
It is very easy to take verses out of context from the Quran instead of reading the entire Surah and derive false meanings from them. To understand the Quran, you have to read the entire text from front to back, just like you would a novel, not just pull out a few verses from here and there. And Quran simply is not enough to understand Islam. There is a very famous hadith that was given by the Prophet during his last few days at a place known as Khumm and it goes as follows, "O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: which if you strictly adhere to, you shall never go astray, Quran and the Ahlul Bayt (People of the House)”. In order for us to understand the Quran, we need to understand the Ahlul Bayt (progeny of the Prophet S.A.W.W). They are Pious Personalities and lived their lives in utter simplicity. Shia Muslims strife to follow on their path.
The following link will give you a glims of those great personalities. http://www.ziaraat.org/ahlulbayt.php#
For all those people who claim that the Prophet was a sex addict and a womanizer, please look at the following link.  ;http://smma59.wordpress.com/page/2/?s=marriage
Hi Sarah, you are clearly new here. If you read more than just a few articles here, you will see that everything that you said in your comment has been responded to in detail. I strongly recommend that you read plenty of articles here. Here are in brief, some responses that you will find in Ali Sina's articles-
["Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world."]
It probably is, but there is more to the story. Muslims keep increasing numerically because they breed like rats. Some convert from other religions to Islam either because they feel pressured to do so (eg non-Muslim women who are kidnappend in countries like Pakistan and Egypt), or because they are lied to about the true nature of this religion (This primarily happens in non-Muslim countries). Lots of western criminals are also converting to Islam because their governments provide better prison facilities to Muslims than they do to non-Muslims.
["…indeed there must be something in the religion that speaks to the human soul."]
Islam doesn't speak anything to the human soul except dark and negative things. Most people who convert give explanations like "I heard the azaan and it was the most beautiful sound I ever heard, so I converted." They are usually too naive to realize that just because the sound of azaan is sweet, it does not automatically mean that Islam's teachings are nice too.
Islam does however speak to (bullies, to be more accurate) a certain emotion embedded in human psychology- Fear. Muslims hesitate to question or leave Islam because they fear they will be 'disloyal' to Islam, and because the religion threatens them with eternal hell for apostasy. It also requires other Muslims to kill an apostate. Fear is a very powerful emotion (for reasons related to Evolution) and few Muslims are able to free themselves from its strong hold.
[" I request everyone to not make generalizations about all Muslims."]
And this site does not! There are lots of Muslims (and non-Muslims) who are unaware of what Islam really teaches and what Muhammad was really up to. This site is directed towards such people so that they can free themselves from Muhammad's web of lies.
["Talking to or observing a Muslim alone is not enough to make generalizations about Islam. There must be many people who call them Christians who have done countless atrocities but for us to assume that this is what their religion is all about would be wrong. The actions of a believer does not necessarily define his or her religion. We need not to understand who Muslims are but rather study the religion itself and get to know what true ISLAM is all about."]
Ali Sina says exactly the same thing in his articles! He too says that if one wants to learn about Christianity, s/he has to study the religion itself, and study its effects on the believer(s) only afterwards. Similarly, if one wants to learn about Islam s/he has to study the religion itself, and study its effects on the believer(s) only afterwards. This site concentrates on "what true ISLAM is all about" and its effects on Muslims.
["The website below will introduce you to one of the great personalities of Islam, a true Muslim, and an example for all humanity….."]
Well, if you want to believe in Hussain, it is your choice. But this site concentrates on Islam, and according to the holy text of Islam- the one supposedly revealed by Allah, it is Muhammad who is "example for all humanity" (Quran 33:21), therefore, it is Muhammad's true face that this site unmasks for all to see.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.  ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vl5WRCjEg
If this fact is true then indeed there must be something in the religion that speaks to the human soul. I request everyone to not make generalizations about all Muslims. Talking to or observing a Muslim alone is not enough to make generalizations about Islam. There must be many people who call them Christians who have done countless atrocities but for us to assume that this is what their religion is all about would be wrong. The actions of a believer does not necessarily define his or her religion. We need not to understand who Muslims are but rather study the religion itself and get to know what true ISLAM is all about. The website below will introduce you to one of the great personalities of Islam, a true Muslim, and an example for all humanity. http://www.whoishussain.org/
Married to Muslim,
Tell your husband that if praying to God disqualifies Jesus from being God then allah too cannot be God because, Muhammad said in Kitab al-Sunna 2:272 by Abdullahi bin Ahmad, that while on the .miraj' he met allah praying. In sura 1 allah prays that it should be guided along the right path and then enjoins, 'LET US WORSHIP ALLAH'. One only prays to and worships a superior being. The quran further says that allah bears witness. Such a situation arises when there is a higher authority. So, if allah bears witness, it is because there is another being who is greater in authority.
I am sorry that your post has just come to my attention.Hence, the belated contribution.
Hi Married to Muslim,
The Bible is like a jig-saw puzzle whereby when fully fixed and understood will come out the full picture of it. Other than that it will be bits and pieces here and there without being fully understood. It is a book of love unto humanity left by God to us. Jesus says "He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father except through Him". He dies for the sins of humanity and it is only through Him one can have eternal life in heaven. Thus He goes to prepare the mansion and as He goes to prepare the mansion, He will come back to take us to be where He is. He had said so when He was on this earth more than 2000 years ago.
Married to Muslim,
Most of the time this is what they are, very political in spreading mischief.
This claim is baseless. Well, I am not surprised because it is in their nature to make claims anytime they want without facts. Where is the shame?
ha…ha…ha.. how funny brain washing ….
lady dogs
:p
Before leveling charges against a person like Muhammed pbuh….you all must know that the worst enemies of the prophet of his own times could not charge him in anyway….they opposed him bitterly but but they admit him most honest ' most truthful and a man of highest moral character and integrity……ask this thing from prof.William Montgomery watt ' and karen Armstrong……they will tell you….the truth if you don't believe Muslims or study history urself deeply n honestly
@chuck
This is their fate ,they can't understand simple terms either.
Cos khadijah died early. Khadijah was older than prophet. But she didnt die old. Aisha was the daughter of abu bakar. His best friend. They wanted to become family. Was that wrong? And aisha loved him. When aisha was little she ever got mad but then prophet brought her to someplace for entertainment. He let her play doll. He only took aisha early. He didnt fuck her early. He wanted to educate aisha since little so that she grew up as amazing woman with knowledge directly fron the prophet. She was a smart woman with strong memory. After prophet died, many people came to her to solve questions they didnt know about cos they werent with prophet as often as aisha. And once again, why keep critisizing him marrying a young girl? Told you its normal in ancient time.
Im feeling sorry about somethings. I keep receiving replies, as if non stop replies. Which the more i answer, the more questions will come. Im feeling sorry cos unable to reply for little time i have. Im feeling sorry cos not many moslems are answering and its as if its all my duty to answer. And im feeling sorry cos its as if even if they want to answer, they dont have the same knowledge i have. I have a life too to live. And im starting new life, in new place and with new persons. And i should be offline often to respect them, and do more in real life with them. Advantages i see by living with them is cos i see that they are good moslems, they apply islam well, and they seek 3lmu regularly in majlis ta3lim too. And i like the idea, seeking more 3lm with them. And living better life with them. Im still thirsty of knowledge and better life and better. And im trying to find it. This is my effort. I might be offline for a week or a month. And if i steal time to reply questions, it will be only for few and short ones. When i really have free time, insha Allah ill reply the questions, the confusion in your mind about 'islam' and 'moslems'. But please do positive thinking about someone else. Have you ever thought bad about something and once you found the truth you felt bad about it and regret? Dont experience that. Anyway, the only knowledge and answers you could find isnt only here. And becareful with fitnah in any media. Fitnah has spread so wide and fast. And its sign qiyamat is getting closer. Meet real sheikhs in real life, yes, 'real sheikhs' not someones who call themselves as sheikhs, but someones who deserve to be called as real sheikhs. Allahs earth is wide, his knowledge is more than ink as much as sea. Humans knowledge is just as much as a bird drinking water from the sea. Prophet messaged us to seek knowledge from baby till grave, seek knowledge even if you have to go to china. Peace.
narcole1919721,
Knowthetruth reminded you that the muhammadans blame 9/11 on the Jews. They are denying the Boston marathon bombing saying that the terrorists have been framed. Similarly, they denied the London and Madrid bombings.
Thanks Sakat. I can only but try.
narcole1919721
//n arabic caligraphy u can make the same. Not just draw thin lines in computer. Can u really read arabic?//
In all languages in calligraphy you can draw lines long and short thick and narrow. There is nothing specific to Arabic. What we see in these examples isn't calligraphy but calibration!! Calibration of some fictitious lines on the world map. In fact there was absolutely no need to turn the map upside down, they could have just written on a piece of paper. I mean what is the logic of bifurcating Asia mid-way? Are you charting the fault lines? Similarly the guy when finding Muhammad dismissed all of South America, most of Asia and a big chunk of the Baltics!! Thats 90% of Earth not accounted!! The one showing the right hand couldn't help without extending the thumb by 3 times its original size!!
Right is Right,
Muslims make fun of Christians all the time. Yet the Christians do not take to beheading anybody. What about calling Christians infidels or those who practice 'shirk' because they believe in the Holy Trinity! What about saying that the Holy Bible has been corrupted without any proof or that the Gospels are lies because they relate the death of our Lord Jesus Christ! If your name means what it says, then you should first of all condemn the muhammadans who mock Christianity on a daily basis.
Why do you make fun of muslims!!!!!! Huh… Would you like it if Muslims made fun of Christianity (which is considered a sin in Islam)?!?!?!? Arguments and discussions are ok but mockery is intolerable, understand!!!
what the HECK did i just REEEEAD
that was the worst thing i ever saw for like 7 years or so woooooooooooooooooooooooow
yeah israel are OK with KILLLLLLLING and STEEEEEEEEALING lands but no those bad palestinians should not defend for their proprieties
if you are a jew then go F yourself.
if not then i would just say open your mind i am a muslim and i am living in fear or anything
if you followed the rules of our religion you wont get a STD virus or drink alchol both do harm your body
heck you wont even smoke a cigarette
but muslims nowadays are sooooo weak and soooo wrong thats all what i can say and i am not proud of them
Wow…you must be happy to know that. But where did you get those data? You never read the articles about "scientific miracles" in quran, did you? There are no scientific in quran. Your fellow Nasar wrote: Einstein, Newton, or other great people were not the role model of Islam,
There were many great people who success in this world, but not succeed in the hereafter,///// He doesn't think Einstein & Newton were the role model of Islam, how can you said any "scientific" in quran? This Nasar only cares about the hereafter & claimed that many great people "not succeed" in the hereafter. Can you tell me how does he know that? I'm not hating people & I think you are more "educated" than me.
Oh really! pigs,rates ,mosquitoes breads faster,don't worry intelligent world has better disaster management ability .By the way which kind of tree :grass: cactus this Islam is as per you,which is grooving in metes and bound ?. I think you failed to observe, already a blade (Sina) is at work in cutting these so cold's.
Islam does'nt need any of those … but here is some facts 4 u , islam is most growing religion in the world in the # of people … islam is most growing religion in Russia … islam is most growing religion in UK .. islam is most growing religion in Europe … islam is most growing religion in China . all of those people are wrong ? … islam is proven miracles in quran search scientific miracles in quran and i assure u'll become a Muslim , get educated rather than hating on people .
Reading a lot against islam u guys have made in ur comments i would like to say except islam evrything iz fake n false
Einstein, Newton, or other great people were not the role model of Islam,
There were many great people who success in this world, but not succeed in the hereafter,
The requirement for success in this world and in the hereafter is good character/behavior.
Prophet Muhammed is the slave of God and having all the good character as God directed to be.
Who else better than him!!
c'mon guys, we're scholars aren't we? and as scholars, don't we ought to track back the source of every statements? please, dont trust any of them blindly, and no one has the right to claim his/her statement as the most true opinion. and who knows einstein as he is, you think? are you einstein yourself? nah, not just muslims, you are all backwards. absolutely are. i'm leaving and i hope you're happy with it. cheers and goodbye 🙂
if you're trying to persuade me not to mix things up, then i'd like to say to this thread and comments, its all about some men's beliefs just as yours, not about their understanding of science. simple as that. dont mix it up, right?
so, are you trying to say that you're not claiming muslim for suffering inferiority complex then falsely and deliberately claim the list of people as one of their own? nah, you're just the same as those backwards LOL
Nonsense. Period.
" Albert Einstein Was a Muslim. "
He wasn't – He came from a Jewish background. At best he was pantheist.
For a person to be Muslim – he has to claim Shahadah – which Einstein never did.
95% People commenting bad stuff on Islam on the internet are people from the Government guys!!!
So Muslims don't reply back they people from the government and 5% are blind and deaf people just following the 95%.
On youtube, yahoo, Facebook…etc all them negative stuff about islam are most people from the government.
Albert Einstein Was a Muslim.
He believed in One God.
Check many Scientists have converted to Islam and why is it so "coicidence" that the centre point off the
earth is 'Kaaba' in Mecca ( Saudi Arabia ) the House off Allah.
Only the smart, rich and the people off power in this world knows Islam is the true religion but they deny and they make everyone forget.
Why isit that the black stones from the Holy House off Allah Kaaba is not from our solar system and which NASA has find out but didnt told the world.
Why isit that the Quran and Science related due to facts been written 1400 years ago and Scientist has just recently found out now.
Read this: http://www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm
Read this also Wikipedia says it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid
Read this also Wikipedia tells you Quran Scientific facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science#Sc…
To Sarath AND ALSO to the backward muslim Ali(en).
Sarath said: "If you make Jesus Christ, Krishna, Buddha, And the Prophet of Islam sit inside a room together, they will be in complete harmony with each other".
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I think Sarath is right. Within a minute the fake prophet Mohammed would have beheaded Jesus Christ,Krishna and Buddha……and then: COMPLETE HARMONY ! LOL
NEXT (for Alien only) !
THIS A COMMENT OF THE MUSLIM EINSTEIN ,also called Empty Head { }. HAHAHA !!!
NEXT !!! LOL
"Its all about orbits not about freedom which universal law governs"
mankind, in this very age of science and rationality, are the best known beings for producing delusive self-centred intellectual interpretations. they observe history, not the fact. when the arguments collected, they claim it as historical evidences. remember, languages need translations and may lead to such misinterpretation as texts, graphics, analysis, and many other media may do so. that cause those so-called delusive self-centred interpretations should be labeled "epistemologically fragile" because even it's based by firm arguments or thesa, historical facts and pure facts are two different things. and for my fragile analysis, pure facts of the past time can never be reached by fact seekers of the present time.
and it's funny to realize that persons in greater education, as we are, will have more potential to misinterpret and claim our interpretive evidences of historical facts to be pure facts ready to spreaded wideworld waiting for global approval because we're smarter than everyone else.
and for my interpretation of religion, everyone's religions (whose is offended and defended in this website and comments) are based by good deeds, for every religions share that toughts in common and share Oneness of God in common. bad deeds, such as disrespect to the vast diversity of the world, come from mankind themselves and their claimed-to-be-right interpretations.
but i have to believe (in) God as i have to believe (in) my brain and my heart, but not in those false religions of yours, nor the followers of the non-believers. the fact of the past and the beginning will be revealed by the truth of the future and the end.
with all due respect to everyone in here, freedom exists nowhere as long as you are not alone.
and with all due respect,
greeting and cheers! 🙂 and sorry for bad english, i hope you all get my words properly.
“Have you donated to Ali Sina’s cause by the way?”
Thank you for your concern, but I will solicit money when I need it. My objective is not to collect money and I don’t need a fund raiser.
That's because he's (Alis Sina) tugging one off just at the thought of a dik! 😀
You are not Indian and Hindu by the way denialisnoproof are you? (These are usually Ali Sina's fans and followers)
Exactly when was Mohammed caught with his pants down? Please elaborate. Independently please. Not yours or your Swami Ali Sina's interpretations please. We need your own sources as proof.
And what intellect? You mean delusions and dribble?
Have you donated to Ali Sina's cause by the way?
This is much better than your muhammad torturing people and burning them for treasure .
He is earning like an intellect , not like your thief muhamad who when caught with his pants down said that he was riding a horse with a beautiful woman's face while in reality he was riding his sister um hani
Which for the record you are selling and making a quick buck out of whilst the going is good.
Is it even worth the paper it is written on?
“If you make Jesus Christ, Krishna, Buddha, And the Prophet of Islam sit inside a room together, they will be in complete harmony with each other. In fact they will be in exact union with each other.”
Sarath, These are sweet little lies we grew up with. We educated ourselves and found out they are lies. It is time that you do the same.
“We exist in the mind, and they are in a realm of beyond the mind. ”
Give me a break. You have swallowed this nonsense hook, line and sinker. Muhammad was a cult leader no different from Charles Manson or Jim Johns. Isn’t it time that you faced the truth and learned the facts?
“They try to make their Religion profound, which in turn make them profound(in other words exploiting religion for themselfs)”
That is exactly what Muhammad did. He invented a lie called Islam for self aggrandizement. I have dedicate an entire book to this subject.
Oh, puh-LEEZ. This is the Internet. If your delicate sensibilities are *this* easily offended, then, my *word*, I suggest you grab your smelling salts and depart with all due haste before you read something that makes you faint just dead away. The Intarwebs is not the place for you, my dear.
Besides, have you noticed someone *not* taking offense? Such as, the person that the harmless little joke was directed at?
Let me say something about religion before i begin:
1. If you make Jesus Christ, Krishna, Buddha, And the Prophet of Islam sit inside a room together, they will be in complete harmony with each other. In fact they will be in exact union with each other. But If you make a christian, hindu, buddhist, and muslim, sit inside a room together, they will be in complete turmoil with each other, each trying to disqualify the other, each trying to denigrate the other..
2. How will you decipher the things uttered by Jesus,Muhammad,Budha,Krishna, or anybody???
Its impossible…because how will the mind absorb things that are beyond the mind….We exist in the mind, and they are in a realm of beyond the mind.
3. People must have some guts to say that I am Great!!!! But to say directly that i am great seems a bit egotistical…So people go in round about manner..They try to make their Religion profound, which in turn make them profound(in other words exploiting religion for themselfs)
4. I do not understand how will people recognize if somebody like jesus,muhammad,krishna,Buddha, once again walks on the surface of earth….Imagine a situation if jesus once again comes to visit us..All the court judiciary,church and other communities will be eager to put him behind the bars,people will call him crook,and a cult leader(but yeah we will not crucify him as we are a bit civilized now..so we will either poison him or electrocute him.) and beleave me the so called religious people will be the first to do this.
According to me all the above mentioned people were the same…they tried their level best in awakening us, but we all did our best in maintaining the sleep…Like all the narrow rivers merge together in one ocean, all religious leaders teaches to know the truth..The differeces are only in the beginning, but all are one in the end.. It doesnt matter through which river you reach the ocean, the ocean is the destination , not the river…
PLEASE TO ALL MUSLIMS, DON'T SAY ANYTHING OFFENSIVE ABOUT ANY OF OTHER RELIGIONS AS THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) SAID.
i just wanna comment on all of this do you know what this mean spinozisim this what albert einstein believe do you know what this word mean it mean (god is singular self subsistent substance and both matter and thought as attribute of such )
("Allah is a dictator who punish the people if does not get himself worshiped from them.")
Good question. Our worship has no effect on God. Worship is done to treat the diseases of one's soul. Worship is entirely for human himself, It has nothing to do with God but He wants you to be a good human and free of diseases and He gave you choices. He doesn't want you to harm others. You think a man can kill innocents and he should not be punished?, He should deny the biggest truths of the universe and those of himself and he should not be punished?. It is beyond our thinking power to know how God exactly is, but He provided us with good enough to know that he does exist and He controls everything. If doctors cannot treat Cancer and AIDS then we cannot say that doctors are wrong, because they dont have that kind of knowledge.
Muhammad (pbuh) was one of those prophets who told humanity the greatest secrets of the reality of human and this universe which the tiny little human brain could not know through its own research. We have made busy ourselves so much in this world that we dont get time to think about who we are and what we should do. Regarding "sex" people should keep in mind that they must study books from the original sources.
("We must keep in mind whatever has a starting must have an end one day.")
God havent had a starting point so he won't have an ending point; Islam is the religion of God and it won't end as long as humans exist on this earth.
Let me tell you that the foundation of this website is based on a Muslim name (Ali Sina). TRUTH DOES NOT NEED THE SUPPORT OF LIES.
May you go on the right path. BYE.
@Partially right
Islam itself is greatest evil on the name of religion. Allah is a dictator who punish the people if does not get himself worshiped from them. Can such entity be God? Islamic prophet also was a hypocrite who himself was indulge in sex with a child being a prophet. We must keep in mind whatever has a starting must have an end one day. Islam was started by a mentally disturbed Mohammed in seventh century and this is is era of science and technology and Islam will be end in coming few years.
hahahaha. I can only laugh. If you dont know spirituality while working on such articles then i wd say, You are not a bad guy. 😀
The arrogant leading the ignorant – where will it lead to? Science ? It will lead to false science – quran
And what that much knowledge why they are at the bottom of the humanity bordering animality? How come they are the most backward people on the face of the earth? Why they are the most violent and barbaric people? If each one of them knows more than Einstein shouldn’t they lead the world in every field of science? Yet they are in the gutters. Look who is winning the Nobel prizes. It is not Muslims.
Often people who recommend reading the Quran have not done it themselves. I did it and that what when I see this book is stupid, utterly stupid.
I was there and I felt that “spirituality”. It is not. It is sheer imagination. You want to believe in something you believe it no matter what. We humans have an astaunding ability to fool our selves and believe in things we want to believe.
Study cults and see hoe the followers are convinced and feel so secured and at peace with the bogus lies that their leader tells them. If Muslims study cults most of them will see Islam is a cult.
Infact it is the greed of this world and fear of losing it (as it seems to you) that you dont want to think about what the truth is.
Yeah, My "intelligence" will follow you if it accepts your proof to find out what else you say in order to satisfy itself, not going blindly. That's my nature and probably the nature of everyone.
Again i will say through "Greed and fear", you cannot make someone's heart to submit. Greed and fear cannot make you change what you believe if you know the reality. It is the reason that can guide you and help you to find out what you are looking for and that makes you believe something and only true Muslims know that after a certian point Spirituality starts that cannot be explained easily by reason because those are the things that only your heart can see. Come on my dear, those "Greed and fear" (if you think they are) are for something you dont understand yet.
My English is not that good but I hope you get me.
Sorry for posting it as a comment to the article.
If you completely study the whole Quran you will find out what it means.
Muslims know what i Einstein was unable to discover with the help of his millions of Neurons.
hahahahahahaah. Really???????
Yeah, My "intelligence" will follow you if it accepts your proof to find out what else you say in order to satisfy itself, not going blindly. That's my nature and probably the nature of everyone.
Again i will say through "Greed and fear", you cannot make someone's heart to submit. Greed and fear cannot make you change what you believe if you know the reality. It is the reason that can guide you and help you to find out what you are looking for and that makes you believe something and only true Muslims know that after a certian point Spirituality starts that cannot be explained easily by reason because those are the things that only your heart can see. Come on my dear, those "Greed and fear" (if you think they are) are for something you dont understand yet.
My English is not that good but I hope you get me.
And yeah, Submission has a lot to do with your heart and soul, You can force someone to DO what you want but you cannot force him to submit, That requires words with power(Truth). Words that can attract people of any color, race, era, creed and religion and that have the power of making people to submit. You probably dont know what submission is cuz you are blind. you are looking at the ant.
I dont think you understand my words. How will i go near a person who has a gun and wants to put it on my head, no matter he has gold in his other hand. If a person is only talking about Hell then how will people even talk to him. Okay, You have gardens, parks, movie theatres, playgrounds in your country but you have prisons too. Why did you make them?. You are giving me examples of Ali and Muhammad who themselves dont know what Islam is. I will give you examples of thousands of people who converted to Islam. You will say "Blindly".
Basically you talk about fear, lies, Hell, blind faith, Jihad, violence but you have neither reasons nor logic behind each one of them.
You are right brother, but you cannot totally beleive in Bible cuz its not in its pure form.
Try to open your mind. That means fighting against the evil in them by preaching Islam.
“If your Proofs satisfy me then i will follow what you say.”
That is the root of the problem. If my proof satisfies you, you should not follow anyone but your own intelligence. If you decide to follow me that is evidence that I have failed to satisfy you.
“but you forgot that almost everywhere in the Quran is Paradise mentioned earlier than Hell.”
Greed and fear are two sides of the same coin. Carrot and stick are for the proverbial donkey. Humans should be guided through reason and should not be motivated by either fear of hell or lust of paradise.
“If Einstein does not beleive in personal God and in the hereafter then how can he get impressed from Jesus who promoted the idea of personal God and the hereafter”
Einstein was not impressed by Jesus for teaching a personal god or hereafter. He was impressed by his moral teachings. That is the also the reason I respect Jesus and don’t respect Muhammad.
I don’t think you read the article or if you read, you did not grasp it. Islam is based on fear in a sense that it frightens people into submission. If I put a gun on your head I can make you do anything. You will do my bidding as long as you believe the gun is loaded. But you will walk away when you realize the gun is not loaded and I have no power over you. Muhammad used this fear to control people. This is how sociopaths control their victims. Once Muslims realize this is all lies they will not remain Muslim.
Take the example of Ali, or Maruf who are posting in this site. Their only argument is that by believing they don’t risk going to hell and hence it make sense for them to believe. Basically they are still Muslims because they believe in the lies of Muhammad and think their blind faith will save them from hell.
Okay. Mr. Alisina, You are talking about fear, Islam is based entirely on fear. Okay. What do you do when you get scared (if you do)?, Do you follow it or you go away from it when you are sure it is of no value to follow it. Certainly you will go away from it. So why those 1.5 billion people that you are talking about went to follow those fears. I know how you created my image in your brain after realizing that i am a Muslim. You are entirely right when you say that the truth does not depend upon the quotes of famous personalities because no person, no philosopher, no psychologist ……….can be entirely right because the knowledge of human which is based upon the special senses and instruments is limited. After special senses mind comes and after mind are the sayings of the Holy prophets including Muhammad (p.b.u.h). Unfortunately people who use these quotes dont have enough knowledge about Islam. Using the quotes of famous people about Islam is like "There must be food inside that room because i saw an ant going in there".
You think Islam promotes voilence, fighting and bloodshed and you use the word Jihad. First of all what is your definition of Jihad. You say Muslims are violent because you beleive 9,11 happened because of Muslims and you think Islam encourages it. PROVE me that Islam encourages it. . If your Proofs satisfy me then i will follow what you say. I do accept that the words "hell" and "Day of judjement" are mentioned many times in the Quran but you forgot that almost everywhere in the Quran is Paradise mentioned earlier than Hell. What is the nature of fear? What are its effects on human mind? What are there prisons for? I suggest you to go inside the room and see with your own eyes if there is food inside or not. Dont look for ants or something like that. You think i dont understand but i am sure You dont understand. I have been through the period in which you are now. Now i understand why is Hell and Day of judjement mentioned in the Quran.
If Einstein does not beleive in personal God and in the hereafter then how can he get impressed from Jesus who promoted the idea of personal God and the hereafter. ( I respect Jesus p.b.u.h) .
The problem is that you dont have a real understanding of Islam. We are constantly after our worldly desires but we forgot that our desires are unlimited and this world and human nature of enjoying this world is limited. (You cant have sex continously with someone you want for more than an hour, you cant set in more than two cars at a time, if you are made the king of this world you cannot be a king forever because one day you will die, this is because your nature of enjoying this world is limited). We cannot say that the king of a country who seems to have everything can have less number of desires than a person who is living in an ordinary house. In this regard they are alike as long as the ordinary man has food to eat, dress to cover himself and a roof above him. Rather the king is more worried because he has more fear of losing what he has and the ordinary man is having lesser fear. So you cannot say that a person is more developed, advanced, or less backward when you are only talking about his external belongings. Look at his mind if you can read it, Look how much he is satisfied, Look at him internally and so on… Mr. Ali sina says Muslims are backward but he does not know what it means.. You are far more backward than any Muslim.
Some of us accept the truth but It is the desires of this world that make us deny the truth. Islam gives you something beyond these desires in THIS world even if you dont believe in the hereafter.
SEEK KNOWLEDGE for it is light that you can see everything. Almost all the people are in search of ways that can fulfill their desires. I would say there is a way how to deal with these desires and that is Islam. A religion that covers each and every aspect of life. The life of ancient world and the life of Modern world.
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Islam doesn't say Bible is the book revealed to Jesus (pbuh). It was Injeel (Gospel). How many books in the bible are written by Paul? Note that Paul was never a direct disciple of Jesus (pbuh) and never saw him in his entire lifetime.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament in Song of Solomons 5:16 "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem" . In the English translated version they translated the name Muhammad to altogether lovely! the "im" after the name is used for respect in Hebrew Language
Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
He is also mentioned in John chapter 14 verse 16, Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26 and ohn chapter 16 verse 12-14 in the name of "comforter" or spirit of truth. Some people say that the comforter mentioned is The Holy Spirit. If so read John chapter 16 verse 7. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you". So only if Jesus (pbuh) go away the spirit of truth will come. The holy Spirit was there at the time of Jesus (pbuh).
The original gospel was not in English. it was in Hebrew. And if you want I can point out numerous scientific and even mathematical errors in Bible. (So it will not be God's word!). And you can't find a single scientific error in Quran.
Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran (bimithlihi hatha al-Qurani), they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others. S. 17:88. 1400 years of this challenge and still no one was able to accept it!!
I think you are a Christian hateful to Islam .. you lie .. because you say that Muhammad calls for terrorism and mass murder …
You lie because Muhammad was the first man asked the soldiers to not kill children, women and elderly do not cut trees
You lie because you say that Muslims are behind because of Islam …
It is known that every cultured golden age of science is the Islamic era .. Ibn al-Haytham is a professor of Galileo .. and Khwarizmi and al-Biruni and Ibn Majah .. read encyclopedia Wikipedia, the Islamic golden age .. ..
Muslims do not worship Muhammad … Muhammad is the Messenger of God .. God is absolute perfection
As you worship Christ, who was eat and drink and go to the toilet.(.w.c).
to make it easy for majority of simple minded muslims to understand, just look at it this way and accept it. majority of muslims' mind are so very simple and easily conned by the so called brain damaged religious authorities.islam is just the opporsite of what the jews or christians pratice or pratise. this is why muslims are all bad. i urge all muslims to be brave enough to read the HOLY BIBLE in a language you can understand and i assure you will be enlightened. if islam is so powerful and the Koran so true and holy, then why are so mamy muslims so very afraid to even touch the Bible let alone read it ? i also urge all muslims to read a Koran in a language you can understand and not simply recite the Koran in arabic and commit to memory like a parrot but understand nothing. This is the only reason why muslims fail.TRUST what i have to tell you because i too am a terible muslim but after reading the Bible i am a good pratising jewish/christian muslim . you need not convert as you are what you are.
I suppose that there are some people who may be seeking attention or something from this accusation made about Einstein, but why must people be so arrogant towards Islam on this page?
Muslims are fearful of Allah but not in the sense of a present, Allah is gracious, merciful and all knowing, and should be feared but perhaps in the sense of how you can meet the president and be picky on yourself however Allah is on a level we cannot justify as humans.
Hope this comment straightened some strings.
Regards, Hessam
Actually Islam was established by the final messenger we believe is Mohammed; Abraham, Moses, Adam and Jesus were messengers of God, there was no Islam, No Namas (routine prayer) no Quran, there was just the belief of God and one God only.
Do the research before you post buddy.
And also Loling at someone's beliefs can show some lack of respect and manners for others.
Regards, Hessam
Recpect to all , before running your mouth to everything that comes on your mind , please check , check , and check , study all of the meanings that a sentence could have , don't make your judge based on one or two sentences .
The words that were written about the holly Qur'an and Muhammad , are unacceptable and not true at all , there's a big difference between Islam and Muslims .
These are things that the writer might know nothing about , with all do respect .
This is what Einstein had to say about the Hindu Scripture 'Bhagavad Gita' – When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous"
I wana say to all muslims here that why they care about this sina thing ,he is just a new bum who thinks in his leech-sized brain that he has found sumthing real and even if he tries his intestines out he will not succeed as the real motive & meaning of islam is becoming popular coz islam is made and supported by ALLAH Mr sina i think u r the same LOL person – ungrateful to even urself infact ur whole argument about islam is crap. u ain't no nothin about islam. > and Mr sina let me tell u that i have wasted my 5 mins writing this thing coz i dont give a shit what u will say next. > And good luck with that crazy mission in ur head Lol LOL !!!
@farzana tania
__________I learned to show respect to all human being__________
Sister, Why are you against prophet teachings as prophet ordered to his followers "do not any friendship with non-believer/polytheist etc". We (Non-believer) are worst creatures & fighting with us until we do not accept Islam as per holy prophet.
And peaceful teaching of holy prophet
Qur’an 9:5-6 clearly says Muslims to fight and kill the polytheists, and leave them when they become Muslim. There is a Hadith recorded in Sahih Bukhari, which also supports Quran 9:5-6, which reads:-
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”
One Mullah from Iran certainly who has offended you as you are a jewish , is not a true muslim. I m a muslim girl. And I learned to show respect to all human being and live in peace. Islam is a peacefull religion. and Jihad doesn't mean fighting and shedding blood. Jihad means fighting against your won evil virtues that you are born with. And in Quran , Allah remarked all Jews , Cristians as "Ahle kitab" ( people of Book) not as enemies of muslim rather they are also people with book which was send from our creator. So, if any so called " Mullah" taunts you as you are a Jew, than i cannot support him. And also, our prophet Muhammad (swa) was a great man. If you accuse him a mass murderer you will have to say him Mass savior too, as in his time even now Arab tribes are very fierce , and they have been killing people of faith(muslims). If you say Our prophet (pbuh)was a rapist then you certainly do not know the history properly, he saved Ayesha radi allahu anhu from being gang raped by marrying her. If you had studied enough about the hostility of that time period in Arab, you would understand his(pbuh) ways.
"Islam" and "Muslims" are just names. Saying that Jesus was a Muslim doesn't mean he prayed 5 times a day and fasted during Ramadan, as a matter of fact those doings started only years after Muhammad was addressed by God and revealed to him his words. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad (Peace be upon them all) were all Prophets of God and did what he commanded, which was to believe that there is no higher than God and his commands are to be done. As for all these scientists, I don't know their religions or even if they had any.
Please be open minded and don't judge Muslims because as terrorists (whom had a very big misunderstanding about what the religion says.) As a reminder, The crusades and the KKK were/are two of the most horrible groups in history! I know they're not Christians, Jesus never used force to convert anyone, neither did Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
Einstein is way too much sophisticated for tiny Muslim brain which contain hardly any properly functioning Neuron… 😀
I am now sick of Islam… I think most of us are… lets end it some how. Ali Sina lead the way…
When i was a Muslim i always knew it was different from other religions in a bad way
For one there was no spirituality in it
Secondly there was no culture no tradition to hold onto other than the mechanical and repetitive which i was deeply envious of and wished that i had.
Thirdly the dialogue and belief system was totally and unashamedly compensatory and wrathful i could not reconcile that.
I always believed hell existed but never ever thought about it. The same is true with heaven – rarely you know?
I started thinking about evolution and how there are such great variations within the same species and after awhile i stopped believing.
I just want to make jihad clear to those who are ridiculing it:
It is a Holy war; the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary.
If Muslims were not allowed to defend their land with force when invaded/attacked, would not they be wiped out within a decade?
The Quran explains:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:190-192)
A muslim is to cease fighting if the enemy surrenders. Slaughter of any kind outside of direct war is absolutely haram and the Holy Prophet never did any such thing. (Please show proof if you claim otherwise) The only other situation where killing anyone is permitted in Islam is if a muslim commits murder or rape of another person. His punishment would be execution if there is clear proof of the deed provided at a court of law.
Upon winning a battle, the spoils of war are to be distributed evenly among those who fought to defend their land. Trees and houses are not to be burned down.
A muslim is not a terrorist and a terrorist is not a muslim.
Please get that through those thick skulls of yours and stop judging those who believe in God. God is our Judge.
Please stop spreading the msg of hate and racism. This types of articles only serves these two things.
People are just people everywhere. If you go n live in the middle east for a while you will realize that this article is biased. Muslims are people..mostly what they care about is what everybody else cares about: education, money, family, ambition, ….other normal things. (and again I am an atheist)
I am an atheist from the middle east. I think this article is biased for many reasons. It is hard to reduce anybody to just his own religion. Maybe some people lives really revolves all about their religion but for the most majority their lives revolves about normal things like : education, ambition, making money, family, friends, and other common life stuff. I've lived in the ME for a very long time and most Muslims I know are less focused on what is correct or not in Islam than their focus on what they want to achieve in their lives. Another things I would like to mention is that Islam philosophy is not based on fear as it was mentioned in the article. When I came to the US everybody I met told me that I was gonna go to hell because I do not believe in the god they believe in. Does that make their believes all based on fear? All religions, and this is probably the only nice thing about them IMO, have a lot of human values like helping each other, aiding the poor and things like that. These are mostly the things that attract people to religion like Islam on the practical level I think.
what I really would like to say is that people are just people everywhere. Please stop spreading the msg of hate and racism. This types of articles only serves these two things.
Y'all are damn stupid like a bunch a dogs fighting for a bone! Instead of blamin somebody for his mistakes go look at ur own! Weather u believe in God or not does not give u any right to cuss out any other religion weather it be Christianity or Islam or etc… Normal arguments can be made without the use of foul language! Many of u need to go back and re-read there own sacred scriptures once u memorized it all then give us ur dum stupid shit of a lecture! I passed by accident this group and honestly it was entertaining to see how far te ignorance of man has gotten! Oh and personal quote the the women who is married to a Muslim:" go f*** ur self!! If u were women enough u wouldn't be posting ur personnal shit on this group where nobody cares a Fu** about! Rather face ur husband about UR issues cz obviously u got a lot of them!"
You are right -Even famous people can be wrong. Had it not been the case how a person like EinStein could claim he believed in the historicity of Jesus. Who does not know that modern historical findings have proved it beyond any shadow of doubt that Jesus is nothing but a figment of imagination- a fiction.History has no relation with Jesus.
Stop bullshitting John K!
Write with your Muslim name, if you dare. Usually your brains are near the scrotum, right?
If Einstein was all these things you claim he wasn’t a Jew. All these ideas such as pacifism, communism, the social democracy, anarchism etc all come from the Jews. Nothing better than this bible quote sums up Judaism “In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all.” This messianic belief sums up the childish faith of Judaism. You yourself are a Jew, note when I talk of Jews I am not talking about the people but the childish idea of Judaism which is “universal peace and brotherhood“. A Otto Weininger (himself from a Jewish family) put it some Jews are Aryans and some Aryans are Jews. The very concept of a “Jewish state” is a self contradiction the Jews cannot have a state which has army and police to do that they would become just another nation and would have to admit that Judaism has failed and thus cease to be Jews. No Israel is not a “Jewish state” at all it is an “Aryan state”.
The Real Einstein – beyond the spin.
einstein was an American, zionist of jewish background, developer of the atomic bomb, who encouraged the development and deployment of the atomic bomb against japanese civilians twice! For this great service to the warmongers of providing a 'doomsday" weapon specifically for mass destruction of humans, the war mongers gave him a (Ig) nobel award.
einstein was immoral and cynical. Let us remember that he actively participated in the development of the first weapon of mass destruction, fully aware of its purpose.
Let us also remember that the atom bomb was used not against the Aryan European Germans, but against oriental civilians.
einstein was a racist who as all jews, prescribes to their theory of being the chosen people, inherently superior to others. The problem was that hitler believed the same about the aryan peoples!
the first atomic attack was at a time when the war was almost over and germany was almost ready to surrender. einstein and his scientific colleagues could not bear to miss the opportunity to conduct a live test of their new powerfully destructive "toy", so encouraged the war mongers to do what they were already eager to do! Never mind that if they waited and restrained themselves the war would be over within a week anyway!
the americans were very comfortable with unleashing this destruction on the "inferior" japanese and vengeful about the attack on pearl harbour, so threw the atom bomb on the civilian japanese.
Despite witnessing the horror they were determined to use it again and did so a few days later against more japanese civilians, with equally horrible consequences. No italians or german europeans were attacked in this way.
einstein remained silent until long after , when he sought to distance himself of his crime and claimed disingenuously that " had I known, I would have preferred to be a watchmaker".
einstein : braggart, liar, jew, american, zionist, war criminal, ignoble, irresponsible, nobel awardee, maker of the doomsday weapon,racist, winder of the doomsday clock- the real einstein! The worst perpetrator of human rights abuser and the worst war criminal. the real einstein!
I guess you have not learned THE HOLY QURAN completely because if u read SURAH REHMAN
In this surah you will find out that ALMIGHTY ALLAH explain his blessings which are bestowed to humans in this world and blessings which will be bestowed to humans after life, further u will find thousand of AYAH on forgiveness,humble,love,peace,freedom etc.
nowadays westerns talk about freedom and these bullshits don't know that ISLAM is the religion
that give the concept of freedom to humanity, before ISLAM Arabs bury their daughters and Romans
impose decision and killed uncountable innocent humans who disobey them it was only the Islam
that teach humans the lesson of freedom but sorry to say due to your lack of knowledge you have
commented on a religion of peace (ISLAM).
you might have heard that
"LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS"
perhaps you are haunted by little knowledge.
PLEASE RESPOND.
don't try to solve your conjugal problems by exposing them.
I’ll right away grab your rss feed as I can not find your e-mail subscription link or newsletter service. Do you have any? Kindly let me know so that I could subscribe. Thanks.
Ziad you're the one who need to read about it.
Why should we thankful for the gift of Islam?
should I be thankful for:
– Islam killing non believers
– a Muslim man marries up to 4 and he's the one with the right to divorce as he pleases.
– women are second degree citizens and beaten by their husband
– the hate in Islam and the false prophet Mo
– i'm not free to enjoy life that god has given to me
-Allah a needy god who controls every aspect in my life and needs regular prayers
-Eternal Hell for good people just because they don't believe in this sadistic Allah and his rapist prophet
……………………………….
Mohamed killed whoever said something wrong about Islam or refused Islam, so Ziad you have no right to say:
"every one who said something wrong about Islam , i am not angry with him , because it is all about Ignorance nothing more or less"
If you want to say such thing go be a christian for only Jesus (not Mo) who said:
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." and he was on the cross!
Look , Islam doesn't need Einstein , but Einstein needs it , and every person in this world needs Islam ,
so it doesn't matter What was said or who said what ,
and Thanks god for the Gift of Islam
and every one who said something wrong about Islam , i am not angry with him , because it is all about Ignorance nothing more or less
i hope you read about it , if you don't like Islam so it is up to you
thnx
“We just don't come back when dead.” That’s right because when you are dead it means the body has been damaged beyond repair. The same with Asimo. Damage him beyond repair and he also will not be coming back.
We are machines ha ha ha . Remove Replug Replace batteries of Asimo. We just don't come back when dead.
Your zombie training is over!
To anyone that believes we have a "soul" check out ASIMO. WE ARE MACHINES.[youtube zul8ACjZI18&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zul8ACjZI18&feature=related youtube]
Yes that is my view as well. Plus the fact these experiences can be caused by ketamin ( I.e. when not clinically dead or even in a “near death” situation.) The only ones that are of worthy of any serious scientific investigation is when doctors claim the patients can recall their conversations while unconscious. But then the question is this “soul” the self? It is clearly not. If you are blind you don’t have vision, if you are deaf you don’t hear etc. So they themselves actually did not experience anything they was unconscious on the operating table. So what this “soul” would be then is a kind of record of the personality and memories and I admit it is theoretical possibility there is such a thing. But personal survival is absolutely impossible as continuation of memory does not constitute personal survival . Thought experiment to illustrate this point can you attend your own funeral? Would Enligtened25 be their watching proceedings or would I be the corpse in the coffin?
I think that's just the brain dying…misfiring so to speak…stiring up old root-level brain cells…I was in an accident with a major head injury and coded a couple of times…my parents told me I was rambling on about stuff from my early childhood that I have NO memory of whatsoever. Just my damaged brain first dying, then healing, sorting through shaken-up, dusty memory cells…There was no light at the end of a tunnel or anything like that…I'm not religious, so that didn't suprise me. Thats my 2 cents…I did have some wildly realistic morphine dreams though! 🙂
"The blatant truth is that Heaven and hell do exist"
Blatant truth? What are you smoking? 🙂
I read about prisoners in Scotland converting to islam to be able to demand a special diet and no work detail on fridays or during ramadamn…
I'd make 'em eat what everyone else eats, work when everybody works…And no korans at all. Amnesty Intl+the ACLU could go F themselves.
Didn't the muslims destroy the "Library of Alexandria" and all the knowledge it contained? They should've been wiped off the face of the earth for that alone…imho
compare the Bible that Christians changed it's words 1000 times to muslim's Quran and you will know which one of them is God's book.
1- When I see such discriminating and hateful comments from nobodies I become more faithful and proud that this religion is a true one and that Islam – just like what Christianity once went through – is suffering now from the grandchildren of those who were once hating and fighting against Christianity.
2- 1400 years ago, ALLAH said through the Holy Quran that not the Christians nor the Jews will accept Muslims unless Muslims follow Cs or Js religious.
So I think Mr. Bullshit that you were wasting your valueless time discussing and explaining nothing.
first of all you are slave for your needs such as hunger and sleep its not good to be slave for them but that what what happened that what nature says will ALLAH is simply who made nature who made our souls body and give us life and he the one who made hell and paradise all he asks for is your obedience is your obedience called slavery ???
Dear Naji,
I used to think like you until I read the Quran and the Sira. Truth is very different from what we are told. If you care to know the truth, I invite you to read some the articles posted on this site, or I can send you a PDF file of the earlier edition of my book. I did my search, not just from the Internet but from the original sources, such as the Quran, the Sira and the Hadith. I know most Muslims have no clue what these book say. If they learn the truth they will leave Islam in shock.
Now do you really want to know the truth or do you think ou already know everything and like Mr. Musaji have no use for further learning. If you belong to the first category I invite you to read my book. You will be shocked and by the time you finish the book you will no longer be a Muslim. Everything I said is backed by reference. There are over 460 external references in my book in addition to hundreds of quranic references. I have backed everything I said by facts. I challenge you to read it and see if you can keep your faith.
well, some people thinks that they are in the right side ….. i'm a Muslim and i feel lucky because i'm a Muslim, however, i can't understand why most of people don't respect Islam while Muslims are respect other religions. you can search about Islam " i'm pretty sure you will have good idea about Islam". simply you can say Islam is the religion of peace and forgiveness …… etc.
You sure picked some low class people for your examples. Why don't you add the prislam converts while you're at it.
Have you hugged your tattoo today?
Muhammad Ali
Mike Tyson
Jermaine Jackson
Cat Stevens
Tony Blairs sister
YEAH RIGHT!
..oh wait..
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Are these character traits of Muhammad worthy of being respected?
a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a madman a looter
Click on each word for an introduction to the evidence:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
Don't confuse criticism of Islam with insults to Muslims.
Hi,
You could have just tried to refute the quote and not insult and insult and insult other people's beliefs. Arguing whether something is a fact or not with clues and REAL constructive criticism is something, and just faking things up and showing that you're a genius is another.
When I was reading your post at first, I was reading it because I wasn't convinced that Einstein converted to Islam, though I am a Muslim. Why? Because Islam urges the individual to be reasaonable and never believe something without reason, for never has it been based on superstitions. And many tales and stories that are narrated belonging to Islamic events were deemed to be false after studying factors such as whether it was reasonable and mind could accept it, the credibility of the ones who passed the story on, and other criteria. You showed that you're, with my respect, a naive person who grabs a couple of words from somewhere and bases his argue on. For example, Abraham and Moses were Muslim?? How could they be, and Islam only came some after a thousand year?
Yes, they were God's men, and that what Islam says. Abraham was "the father of prophets", for he was the first messenger God sent, according to Islam. And Moses is a very respected prophet in Islam as well; he was the prophet of Judaism and not Islam. As such, what you stated about Abraham and Moses shows deep ignorance.
One more thing, try to respect others' beliefs. I have a Bible and I read in it every now and then, perhaps more than I do read the Quran, and I have Christian and other friends that just do the opposite, though each of us is very convinced in what he believes and in his religion.
Try to have less hatred, more reason and some objectivity, and try to confine your subject to the debate not shifting it to hatred speech because everyone, ignorant or professor and young or old, can insult others and be irrespective.
Regards
Right. The whole ulama/ummiyyiina thing is a class division and secret knowledge society like the Christians were when the priests didn't want the commoners to have the Bible.
What if the scholars wanted to suit it into their own desire? This is a caste system actually. 😉
Islam is only confusing to Muslims. That is the Ummiyyiina. Clerics know the score, and Islam is clear to any non-Muslim who knows who to unscramble the Quran with the Sira and Hadith.
That's what we say about you.
Yeah, no one is called the real scholar of Islam since Islam is confusing religion and prone to misinterpretation. Even the follower of Muhammads were not scholars. :p
Since you are a scholar of Islam and have offered to taech me, will you please explain why David is wrong in this video? http://www.faithfreedom.org/videos-features/who-k…
neither you nor Naik is scholar of Islam you guys are just amateurs
but the fact that none of these people were scholars of Islam or had read its holy book or its history makes their opinion about Islam worthless.
LOL LOL LOL LOL . The dummy had shot himself in foot LOL . This implies on you too moron LOL LOL
Does this mean you are not ready to follow his advice to apply for readmission to a madrasah?
Osama was also one of the most 100 influential person in the world. 😉
I don't agree with that list, it should be Newton who is in the first one. Anyway, the list is subjective.
Another ignorant post and of course repetition of so called Islamic science. If you are hoping for some kind of intelligent discussion then why don't you read my queries about Islam and god? It's here.
First, you need source and proof, talking like a blind fan who took info from unclear rumor is not intelligent. The sign of judgment day, for example, try to post the reference about it. Nudity is not going to be a norm so don't worry so much. The 50,000 years is also repetition. It's also in the Bible and of course in other faiths also. I'm surprised to know that this is pretty much common in religion. That's not relativity of Einstein.
Why is so hard for him to refute it with written text? Is this his specialty? Looking for money on TV?
Shhh…!!! They're Stealth Jihadists!!!
And don't forget… only speak English in America…!!!
I Think Tom and Jerry also muslims………
“How god mentioned the theory of relativity long before Einstein did in the Quran
it was something about how a day up in god’s realm was worth 50,000 days in human realm”
Here is the answer to this miracle. http://alisina.org/speed-of-light-in-quran-or-ano…
“Not all Muslims are ignorant, dumbasses, stupid, and ill-informed”
I agree. Those are the ones who leave Islam.
I'm not mch of a muslim, I mean I am, but I don't really follow any of the rules.
Something that really surprises me is how Allah describes some of the signs of judgement day.
Goes a little something like this:
-Arabs will not be able to find someone to rule them (The revolutions around the middle-east, and post-revolutionary incidents as we can all see. I'm currently studying the political and social issues in the Arab world, and they truly cannot find someone to rule them!'
-Nudity will be a norm in the western and eastern world (pretty much obvious)
-Arabs will compete in building tallness (The whole Dubai/Abu Dhabi/Saudi/Qatar tallest building competition)
-Imposters claiming they are Jesus (so far around 24 of them)
There are many others I cannot remember right now
Also other weird things I find that support my beleif is:
How god mentioned the theory of relativity long before Einstein did in the Quran
it was something about how a day up in god's realm was worth 50,000 days in human realm
Another:
God described galaxies as 'flowers'
There is a certain picture taken by the hubble telescope of a galaxy that looks EXACTLY like a flower..weird!
Don't ask me to quot all that, I won't be able to find the exact quote in the Quran, but I'm positive its there. With some research you will be able to find it.
Don;t get me wrong, I'm not trying to suck you into islam or anything, Allah did say after all you have your own religion and I have mine.
Hoping this can be a constructive, intelligent, and pretty awesome conversation about religion!
Not all Muslims are ignorant, dumbasses, stupid, and ill-informed. Its just the media that puts all the attention on the shitty Muslims than on the normal ones.
Also, I'm not just blaming the media, there are some very retarded Muslims who do not think, but only act, (which is something Allah despises) as they are told, but excuse the simple minded individuals who were not fortunate enough to be well educated
Thanks!
Beware of Joker Naik , he does not guide anyone but misguides only muslims. You better study the Islamic books yourself than learning Islam from Joker Naik. If you do so, you will soon find that he is no scholar at all, just a showman. Don't you know, he is declared a kafir by many muslim scholars of subcontinent.
Dr. Naik is already refuted. The ball is in his court now.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbelli…
If he can refute any of my artuments I will meet him. He can’t and he is wise enough not to give it a shot.
So what ! Michiel would be real idot, who had no clue who real Mo was.
dr zakir naik from peace tv. or youtube his videos about any questions about islam and he shall guide u the right way.
hi dr sina,
i would like you to challenge dr. zakir naik on live tv and try to argue with him, as you being a scholar and he being a scholar you would have somebody to compete with. so far many christian, hindu and other religious scholars have not won the war against him, cuz he will give u references from the books you believe in and prove you wrong. cuz over here you are arguing with ppl with little knowledge or ppl who belieive in what they want to believe in.
You got that backwards. Really, you don't know anything about Islam. We will be happy to help you to get to know it better.
You're right. What Einstein says about Islam is not important. What is important is what Muhammad said about Islam. That is where you lose your argument.
OKEEY ,, THanks for ur worm words about MUSLIMS and ISLAM , i cant blame any one , but if some
one needs really to listen about the greatest event in the world , plz contact with me ,and i will be happy to help u to know better about ISLAM ,cause really ,u dont know any thing about ISLAM , and know that , we didnot and we willnot need to know the the point of view of EINSTIEN about something we deeply belive in it , EINSTIEN is great ,,, but ISLAM is the greatest , u still dont know about it ,, so you will not like my words ,, but lets give each other a really chance to listen . thnks for listening ,,, c u ,, salamo 3alykom
Zakir naik can write a rebuttal to Ali Sina`s challenge whenever he wants – he has had years to do it. Not that truth matters to you as is clear from your statement "its the heart that counts." No it not the "heart" that counts it facts and rational arugments.
So far your views are in contradiction of the evidence. Not much chance of an intelligent discussion here.
Yes, we have done our research. Maybe you would be best to start reading the Quran and Sunna which tells us that Christians are the worst people and that you should kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. Do you have a clue where those verses are found?
I want to see your proof Mr. Student.
It boggles my mind how religious people of all kinds consistently lie and make up false quotes attributed to Einstein.
Debate here if you are not afraid of being humiliated publicly.
Don't forget the $50,000 reward for disproving Dr. Sina's scholarship:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-cha…
That should be a nice sum to help your organization.
If you really care about the truth read my paragraph by paragraph analysis of that debate to see how Zakin Naik lied all the way in his debate. http://faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro…
In other words a slave of allah, is that a good thing to be a slave?
"Muslim" is the Arabic term for "one who submits to God", so there you go. All three of them submitted to the same, one god, like jesus, joseph and many others.
If you did your research, muslims are told to respect christians and seek knowledge (and im expecting some debate sourcing from this), so i congratulate both of you in fulfilling these obligations.
Back up your views, mate, show me the evidence. I'll take them down one by one.
Just another anti-muslim website. Contact me on [email protected] and we'll debate our views for or against islam fairly and peacefully, with evidence and an unbiased audience. Myself along with my peers are british students of theology, philosophy, politics, law, science and ethics, from a variety of religious and cultural backgrounds.
We don't care if it ends up with a debate between an undergraduate and someone with a doctorate, when it comes to theology and philosophy, its the heart that counts.
So come to Birmingham or London, and present us your ideals instead of sitting behind a computer screen. If not, watch this unbiased debate between christianity and islam between Dr William Campell and Dr Zakir Naik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUi1_K7Qxk4&fe…
Cheers,
Young Politician.
They said Abraham and Moses was Muslims????
L.O.L……
Muhammed, you lucky that u didn’t live on the same age like Abraham and Moses, or otherwise you will be sued by them for using their popularity to gain followers.
Its politics….
It will be…look on Indonesia, almost all known peoples such as Javanese King are being told as Islam followers. But they didn’t have a proof. Only for what ancestor said.
And all the proof that you had deny Islam will be destroy and they will told their kids that the order to destroy previous book of Mr Ali Sina to prevent the (shirk) idolatry of Mr Ali Sina.
Just like they did in Turkey, Egypt, Jerusalem (luckily that Crusader save all the documents), Indonesia (luckily that the Dutch saves the documents), and Pakistan.
Look in Islam world, its hard to find previous culture because it just vanished away in one night….just like the 1001 night arabian story bed time.
can you runaway together with your small children and raise them on your own? if your husband is hopeless, i suggest you make a getaway ASAP, before your children turn to be like your husband.
Jesus is not a deity, he was a man – get that through your head you moron.
Congratulations on your success. Much more can be accomplished if we would just say "we can" instead of "it can't be done".
Must be a real idiot, huh?
Michiel hart a christian jew choosed and elavated Muhammad above 99 great leaders and personalities of mordern day history and he choosed his lord and savior jesus christ #3. Einstein name falls on #10.
I personally purchased a bible for a muslim girl friend of mine by the name of Norizan Ahmad….She keeps the bible by her bed side!!
Right. The top Google searches on that quote render or rather than of.
Before leaving, I would like to also mention that it is a logical fallacy for people to say that a certain person, such as a famous person like a celebrity or even an intelligent person, like Einstein, is a member of their religion, so other people should also join. Specifically, I would call it an "appeal to false authority". Unfortunately, logicians prefer just "appeal to authority", possibly only because of tradition. This name is very confusing, as there can be a legitimate appeal to authority when it is relevant. Einstein and most other famous people are not experts in religion. They can only be used to further a claim if they are authorities in the field in question. Any person with a legitimate degree in religious studies would be better qualified than Einstein or a celebrity to answer religious questions. If you want your appeal to Einstein's authority to matter, stick to physics topics, although you must be careful to make sure that there has not been a scientific advance that renders the information outdated. As for someone who could be used to persuade other people to join a religion simply because he or she joined, I do not think that any such authority exists, given the unique nature of religion.
I suspect there may be a small transcription error in a quote attributed to Einstein in this article. I do not know where it originated, perhaps with Einstein himself. However, I do not see any other explanations than an error by him or in copying his writing.
"…although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear of ridiculous egotism."
Instead of the word "of", I strongly believe that he meant the word "or". Few people are likely to fear that they are ridiculous egotists.
That's not correct. A worshipper properly addresses God as "My God".
This is also seen in secular usage where royalty and aristocracy is addressed as "My Lord" or "My Lady".
The vital difference between islam and hinduism appears to be that hindusim doesn't appear to be interested in expansion into other lands. It is a very, very old religion, and no doubt the pronouncements of several thousand years ago if taken literally lead to horrific results. People who are only educated in such an archaic world-view are an intractable problem for a society that aspires to modernity, to the hard-won advances in knowledge of how the universe _really_ works.
Perhaps in a few generations, when India has reached some part of its surely high potential we'll see fewer and fewer of these sad events.
The expansionist aspect of islam on the other hand combined with its entrenched (and unalterable, being the 'word of god') antiquity of thought patterns is what makes it a desperately poisonous virus that is akin to a leprosy in the body politic in every nation that it infects.
You say "my loving creator god"…
He/it can only be 'yours' if you created him/it. 🙂
If there were a god, I think you'd be presuming too much to claim it as your own. This is kin to the ancient greek sin of hubris.
Also, how do _you_ know why your god created anything, especially human beings. Perhaps this god created people specifically to observe suffering (which would explain why islam has been so successful…)
well, your assumption is wrong my friend. i myself used to think the way u do, but not anymore after understanding the true meaning of the disputed verses which the islamists and christians use for their advantage of spreading their religion.
md jahagir ansari thinks Muhammad was wise because he committed mass murder, robbed caravans of peaceful Meccans, massacred innocent unbelievers and looted their properties and raped their women, had sex with a little girl of 8 years old, married his daughter in law, assasinated his critics, etc, etc but Ali Sina is foolish since he opposes all these hideous crimes of Muhammad! This is a good example of how Muslim mind works!
right
My suggestion is to show him some videos of Walid Shoebat in youtube.
Hi god's slave, I fully agree with my dear Dr Ali Sina on his comments about your religion. Maybe you'll like to look back into history and know how your religion has inspired that monstrous grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini , to come up with this idea to work hand in hand with that monster, Adolf Hitler, to respect all 6 million Jews by sending them to the gas chamber, including those innocent, helpless children! This is how your religion of death 'respect' other religion.
Islam does not respect all religions. Didn’t Muhammad ram into Ka’ba and desecrated that place of worship destroying people’s idols? How does that count for respect. Muslims have been doing this to Hindu, Zoroastrian and evne Christian temples for 1400 years. Please inform yourself about your religion before telling us such thing. Muslims even kill anyone who leaves Islam. Is that respect?
Furthermore I am not religious. What I care is human life. Islam does not respect human life, human dignity and human freedom.
I'm a mosleem. I got nothing to say bout this. If I can respect your religion(meaning to say : all religions), why don't YOU ????
Mr. Ansari, Greetings
You are an ignorant person. Attacking Ali Sina with you writing does not say anthing about the validity of the evidence he presented in this article. You are barking the wrong tree Mr. Show us that your brain works by analyzing and offering some critiques to what Sina said. Do not attack the person Mr. Genius. Analyze what he says, and tell us if he offered wrong things.
Cheers
Dog's $h##T !!!!!
This guy has not read even ONE of Sina's writing .
Oh, here's another blind Muslim who doesn't bother to care about facts.
after studying all comments against muslims.i would like to say mr.alisina to take re-addmission in madarsa[arbic classes] and again revised the holy kuran thoroughly.really you are very foolish man in this world………………
Nothing new here. Just another muslim that consider us non-muslims as dogs.
Well, these dogs happen to know a great deal of Islam even better than muslims. And these dogs have higher literacy rates than muslims (kafir countries >< muslim countries literacy ratio).
If we are dogs, what are muslims?
Sorry. Halal is harem.
We cannot deny inhuman and barbaric religious laws found in Hindu scriptures under the lame excuse of mistranslation. Arya Samaj has translated Vedas to show them in good light by inventing their own meaning for verses of Vedas. This translation is deceptive and unreliabale as is the case with reformist translations of Quran by Rashad Khalifa and his follower Edip Yuksel .
Halal food for thought!!!!!
Alas for most of you i have a saying of Sue Murphy “Did you ever walk in a room and forget why you walked in? I think that’s how dogs spend their lives”.
Its for those who understand!!!!
I dont think the verses quoted above are correctly interpreted.some christians and muslims in the name of dalits or communists are publishing uncorrect matter of vedas. even maxmuller failed to interpret coorectly the sanskritic vedas.
Therefore, Hinduism is no better than Buddhism, which I think is the best among all the old-age religions.
Hi everin,
Hinduism contains in its sacred books many good teachings like any other religion
except Islam and has evolved with passage of time discarding barbaric laws and adopting spirituality. No sane Hindu barring some perverted individuals or groups upholds the barbaric religious laws in the sacred books or scriptures of Hinduism. I do not believe in Hindu mythological or puranic gods and inhuman teachings of not only Hinduism but all religions.
You need to look up fascist in a dictionary and encyclopedia. Your usage of the term shows that you do not understand fascism.
Please show me the Tea Party policy statement on war and destruction.
It is all too clear from your posts that you are a nanny-state socialist. I find it highly unlikely that you are as familiar with these concepts as I, nor have done as much research.
The tea party is a fascist party that will make America weaker and fearer. But I trust the American people not to listen to the lies of that party whose agenda is war and destruction.
Our founding fathers would never identify themselves to this dangerous party.
The only argument you have is socialism. You have no idea what is this concept.
Hehe!
Oh, my dear John K, …….. 😉
Mr sidhoum, you have no idea what this great test of faith is all about and what it meant to humanity! You have no idea how much God loves us. This test of faith is not for fun but a foreshadow of the coming of the perfect Lamb of God, condescending to become one of us, slain for the remission of our sins and purchased redemption for our souls, so that we may have eternal life.
Mr sidhoum, as a mature individual, you are responsible for your words and actions. It has nothing to do with your father. Period.
No, while not technically sterile, a cama can only be produced by artificial insemination.
How many of these religions teach that people should kill their sons?
It's clear that you know nothing about the Tea Party and their loyalty to the US Constitution and the pure principles of the American Founding Fathers. America has gotten into trouble to the extent that it has let principles of socialism infiltrate the government.
The same trajectory is evident in Europe's problems. Just as their Islam problems are ahead of ours, so their socialism problems are more advanced than ours. But America is on the same trajectory and will share their economic downfall and their Eurabia problem if we don't change course. The Tea Party is one of the few voices out there right now sounding the alarm.
Your comments about brainwashing, stories, and Armageddon are straw man fallacies. You should stick to specific points.
No. You have to be an adult and accept responsibility for your problems. As long as people shift blame, there is no progress.
Which of my children do you believe committed an atrocity? Can you please give a name and tell me what exactly that person did?
Hi Lonelyloner, human beings don't 'Grrr…', only a pussy cat does that. Are you a pussy cat or what? It seems like you have no guts to say a 'yes' or 'no' for an answer. If I make my request known to you, then what's the point of asking for an answer from you? Stop being unreasonable, Mr Pussy cat! Don't worry, Mr Grrr, I'm a lady and not a con man because I don't have that things in between your legs. Are you going to act like a pussy cat now and back out of this discussion because you don't have that much testerone to give me a proper answer.:)
Dear Agracean,
if I say to people that God have given me the order to kill my son, the police will come to me straight to lock me up. Unfortunately, all madmen who invented stories whatever religions ( mormons, christians, muslims, jews, buddhists, etc…) could easily escape being locked up because we had no idea of psychosis during their time.
Wrong again! The lama-camel cross project has been successful. The baby is a cama.
This son is yours because you are brainwashed and keep making people believe in non sense stories, therefore pushing them commit atrocities. Your are indirectly responsible for what this madman has done in Norway. He is the same type of guy we can find in the tea party, a party that is willing to destroy America for the sake of their belief in Armageddon and a God that has neither pity nor care for life.
I do not brainwash my kids with non sense. That 's the first thing you should do if you want to help the world becoming a better place. The one responsible is your God if he does exist, knowing you give him attributes of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. But he does not exist, therefore you are responsible for brainwashing people and make them commit atrocities.
I never thought Hinduism is such a terrible religion. I have always suspected it to be full of supertitions, but never know it to be so blood-thirsty. So if a woman refuses the advances of an evil man, she will be accused of being a witch n therfore be killed by a mob. I wonder how Arya Anand will have anything good to say about Hinduism.
The sum of our talk is this: You make a bold claim about the after life.
I asked for evidence.
You said you'll show me, but your condition is this: agree to all your requests. Underline that 'all your requests'.
And of course I'd ask: what are those requests? 'All your requests'. It's totally ambiguous, more information is needed. Underline that!
You refuse you explain what your requests are, but still you insist that I agree to fulfill your request anyway, requests I absolutely know nothing about!
Put yourself in my place, do you see a charlatan? A con man?
What the hell are you on about man? Are we having a discussion? Or are we having a wordplay in which you're gonna lead me up to something? A blind leap of faith? IS THIS THE EVIDENCE???
Let the other viewers decide who the unreasonable one here is.
But my position stands, I WILL NOT COMMIT until I know what it is exactly you'll have me do.
If you'll simply insist on your unreasonable request again, with absolutely no regard for my concern for this lack of information to continue, then consider this discussion over, with your claim remaining evidence-less. Be clear on that!
Grrr…
Obviously no one would agree to such a request. Logically, it's a trap. Not that Grace would do anything to harm you, but if you value your promise as your word of honor, I would never promise to do something without knowing what it is, no matter how trivial the request might turn out to be. On the other hand, a similar request got John the Baptist's head delivered on a platter.
Hi Lonelyloner, it's you who first asked me to provide evidence to prove that God is real and Heaven and hell is real too. So, in order to prove it, I'm just asking you to give me your good answer to my last question and you just simply can't do it. You should have the courtesy to give me an answer first since I've stated my condition. Aren't you unreasonable? Since you want to know if God is real or not and that Heaven and hell are real or not, you've got a choice here and that is to abide to my request. Don't worry, I'm not that mercenary and I won't ask a single cent from you.
I understand your last question: that you want me to agree to all your request.
Do you understand my wanting to know what your request is first?
No way I'm signing an agreement without knowing what it's all about, what if you request that I give you a million dollars? After you have cleverly bound me to say yes to it? ^^
Why are there still so much witch killings including child withces in Hindu India & Nepal in the 21st Century,despite Hindus reiterating that Hinduism espouses logic?Where's the logic in killing a "child witch"?
1.Double child sacrifice casts spotlight on witchcraft in India
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/double-child-sacrific…
2.Killing of women, child "witches" on rise, U.N. told http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/23/us-reli…
3.Killing Innocent for Being Witches http://alaiwah.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/killing-i…
4.Witch Tag Only on Dalits, Minorities http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49803
These crimes against humanity is of course advocated by the holy hindu scriptures
DEATH TO WITCHES & SORCERERS
Atharva Veda III:1,7.7 Do thou, O Agni, drag hither the sorcerers, bound in shackles; then Indra with his thunderbolt shall cut off their heads!
Atharva Veda III:1,8,3 Slay the offspring of the sorcerer, O soma-drinking (Indra), and subject (him)! Make drop out the farther and the nearer eye of the braggart (demon)!
Atharva veda 10:1:19 …Let that go back to whence it came, turn thither like a horse and kill the children of the sorcerer.
23.Bhava and Sarva cast the flash of lightning, the weapon of the Gods, against the sinner who made the evil thing, who deals in witchcraft!
31.The brood of wizard, sorcerer, the purposer of evil deed.Crush thou, O Krityā spare not, kill those practisers of magic arts.
In Hinduism even slaughtering cows is considered witchcraft
Atharva Veda 12:5:39 Her slaughter is the sin of witchcraft, her cutting-up is a thunder- bolt, her undigested grass is a secret spell.
Dear Sidhoum, it doesn't matter if you believe in my loving Creator God or not. The absolute truth is that my loving Creator God reigns and let God be true and every man a liar. Why are you so angry with my loving Creator God over the test of His friend, Abraham's faith? Are you jealous of Abraham that he could have this honour to be tested by God for his faith? How can a colorblind fool like you love colors when you can't see the beautiful rainbow in the sky?
Hi sidhoum, only an ignorant fool like you will rant like a balless ox. Let me help you to understand your ignorance towards my loving Creator God with a good example. Let's assume that your favourite son has dumped you behind in your native land and migrated to Sweden for good. Then, you watched the evening news one fine day and realized that this good and filial son of yours has committed atrocities in Sweden. He bombed a town and massacred 70 youths due to his wrong belief and stupidity. So, Mr Ox, can you imagine the scene whereby all your neighbours, relatives and friends came angrily knocking at your door and demand a good explanation from you why you did not stop your son from this senselss killings?
Exactly, John K! It applies to fish too. 🙂
Trivial. What you have just said agrees with my statement.
What makes you think it is God's job to intervene in all these events? I should hold you personally responsible for not having done anything at all to prevent even one of them.
"However, more we advance in the knowledge of the natural world, more we find that the Torah, the Bible and the Koran are holy lies."
You managed to have cherry-picked this one too. There some 7 or 8 schools of biblical criticism, only one of which is close to your proposal.
Criticizing Christianity through citing bad behavior of Christians is a logical fallacy.
Christian Taliban! Ha Ha! Now you are turning into a comedian!
You are again trying to use the selected opinions of selected people as a bludgeon to enforce your opinion. The number of adherents to an idea is not proof of the idea. Look at all the Muslims that try to prove Islam is true by the number of Muslims in the world.
"A lama cannot mate with a camel. Yet, they are close enough that a fertile hybrid is possible between them."
Highly unlikely. Horses and donkeys are closer, yet fertile mules are rare.
Hi Lonelyloner, do you understand my last question? Just give me a 'yes' or 'no' answer and then I'll let you know my request.
Hi Sidhoum, how in the world do you know that I watch too much Fox TV? Who told you that? Don't you know that I love to watch National Geographic and discovery channel? Try to communicate with an ape or chimp who can understand sign language that you share a common ancestor with it and it will laugh at your stupidity. Were Charles Darwin or you born million of years ago to witness how human beings evolved from apes? Come on, Mr Ape, our once beautiful planet earth was not even 1 million years old, so, the theory of evolution and the human's first ape ancestor is purely nonsense and human stupidity beyond measure.
Yes, I agree that science can contribute for the betterment of humanity while at the same time, brought much sorrows to humanity too. The blatant truth is that our first ancestors are Adam and Eve and they are both human beings and not Apes.
Sorry my mistake! It was Abraham. I should apologise for this mistake to Jews, Christians and Muslims, knowing that Abraham is their prophet.
I believe that there is no God and Sidhoum is the prophet of himself. No Offence!
Omnipotent? Omniscient? Omnipresent? This God does not seem to bother about the starvation of millions of people or the killing of teenagers by a madman in Norway or the pedophile priests destroying the future of kids, the slaughtering of millions of animals just to satisfy our appetite. what sort of God is that? A god who said to Moise to kill his son just for a test! what sort of God is that?
I do not mind people believing in that sort of God as long as they leave us alone whit this delusional thinking. I love fairy tales but I do not believe in them for the sake of my mental health. I love colors but I know they are the result of my brain interpretation.
"Knowledge is freedom from ignorance and its offspring fear". Grailling
Wrong! Although, we do share the same composition of DNA with all living creatures, including plants, the complexity in terms of sequences and amount of genetic material determine our differences.
I think you are washing too much of FOX TV. Please, cite your sources. We do not evolve from Apes. it does not make sense with the present apes to say such a thing.. We share a common ancestor the same way you share a common ancestor with me or anyone else. For instance, with your neighbour, it may be thousands of years; with a chimp, we talk about millions of years.
A lama cannot mate with a camel. Yet, they are close enough that a fertile hybrid is possible between them. There are dogs that cannot mate anymore due to size. However, science can do it. So yes, ethically, it is not right to force nature in a way that has no benefit for life and humanity. but the point here is the demonstration that evolution is a fact and not a theory.
‘Einstein said that religion is outside the realm of science and that science would not be able to prove it or disprove it’.
I agree,inability to prove only proves inability.If God is omnipotent then there can be no scale of reference to measure something like that in quantitative terms that humans can relate to.What method is there to prove the unquantifiable?And if God exists then then can we really judge him/it/her by natural law or human logic,would that not defeat the whole concept of an omnipotent being?
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haha!!!! "Trust in the stupidity of a scientist and end up as stupid as him" or believe in ancient fairy stories from a time when humans did not even know about the germ theory? How stupid and illiterate can you be to call Einstein just a "stupid scientist"? I think you are mentally handicapped and should jump off a cliff, "my friend".
I have to know what those requests are first, then decide whether to accept or not, right?
So, what are they?
Hi Sidhoum, Charles Darwin did say that we evolved from apes. So, as per his unsubstantiated claim, he was stating that our first ancestors were apes and we descended from apes.
What has copulation with animals got to do with chromosomes or not? It is a horrible sin against God and against nature. It is a man made choice to have sex with a beast to satisfy his own sexual gratification.
Don't you know against that many countries in this troublesome world have legalized zoophilia? Please don't tell me that you will copulate with a gorilla even if it has the same pairs of chromosomes like yours?
Dear John K, it looks like you lack of a sense of humour. Sometimes in life, it's good to crack a harmless joke to humour your friends and yourself. This is proven to be good for the body. Anyway, we are different and unique individuals, so let's accept each other's differences and try not to judge each other unnecessarily over some small issues.
Come on, we are living in the 21st century and I was merely joking with my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, and he didn't object to it, so why are you so mad with me and what has my pastor got to do with my harmless joke?
‘Einstein said that religion is outside the realm of science and that science would not be able to prove it or disprove it’.
I agree. This is why I said that science is not interested in proving that God or Gods have no existence. However, more we advance in the knowledge of the natural world, more we find that the Torah, the Bible and the Koran are holy lies.
‘John Adam's personal opinion is irrelevant, but you managed to have cherry-picked him anyway’.
Nothing is irrelevant when it comes to criticise the monotheist religions. Everyone regardless of cultural and religious background is welcome to denounce lies that have lasted more than 1500 years. Furthermore, as we are celebrating Einstein’s genius, it is important to highlight social and historical relativity regarding the killing of millions of people by religious establishments. The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, Inquisition, Holocaust, Crusades, 9/11 are a few examples.
Yet, I love visiting Cathedrals and Mosques. My sin! Perhaps…
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter…How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison…" –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf).
Maybe you are tempted to replace Jew by Muslim in the above quotation. The Christian Talibans are no better than the jihadists. They are all the same. They are psychopaths, ready to strike for their belief in a god that has no substance and no foundation, except from books written by disturbed men.
“This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!!!” John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson.
Adams was not against religions. He considered they were necessary. Nevertheless, in a personal note, he disliked them deeply, mainly because of their potential of delaying progress for humanity.
Not really even amoung the christians their is a disagreement about what "Near-death experiences" are. Some believe they meet spritual beings others say they are demons (based on the bible which says satan disguised as an angel of light) and their belief in "soul-sleeps". So "near-death" experiences are not evidence of anything, some people after having one become born again atheists (so to speak)and become conviced death is the end consciousness, or others start to believe in reincarnation and become buddhists or one of these "new age" religions.
Relativity of TIME & SPACE. Relativity of ISLAM & VIOLENCE.
"scientific literatures concur to indicate that the God(s) hypothesis cannot be supported by tangible, valid and verifiable evidence"
This is really a biased statement. It is only a reflection on the limitation of science. Einstein said that religion is outside the realm of science and that science would not be able to prove it or disprove it.
Islam is clearly the world's bloodiest religion. John Adam's personal opinion is irrelevant, but you managed to have cherry-picked him anyway. Look at this, for example:
In 1796, Adams denounced political opponent Thomas Paine's criticisms of Christianity in his book The Age of Reason, saying, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."
Using bad behavior of Christians as proof of atheism is a fallacy too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams#Religious…
You really don't get it. Human sexuality is sacred because it is the means by which we are co-creators with God in bringing human life to this earth. Do you see anyone else on this site using the language you use? Does your pastor at church talk like this?
Well Sidhoum, we really share 98% of DNA with all animals according to one article I read. I don't know how accurate that is, but it takes very small differences in DNA to make different species.
Hi Agracean,
Have you ever read any books on evolution? Have you ever heard of the tree of life? Darwin never said that we descend from Apes. We are cousins, although we belong to separate species. They are 5 Great Apes = Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Orang-Utan, Bonobos and Homo-Sapiens. Although Human and Chimp chromosomes are very similar, the only difference is the number of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while Apes have 24. This is probably why we may not be able to mate. However, there is no evidence that we cannot, given that fertile hybrids have been possible with subspecies that have been separated from millions of years.
Hi Sidhoum, I wanted to laugh out loud when I read your above comments. Who's arrogant and dangerous? A mere human being like you or the humble great Creator God Who created the whole universe? You said that you do not descend from apes but belong to the family of the great Apes. So, you are indirectly hinting that Charles Darwin is wrong and his theory of evolution is nonsense. I think that all the Atheists here, including my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, will disagree with you. But interestingly, you said that you belong to the family of Apes. So, I assume that your family members, relatives and friends are Apes? You said that we share more than 95% or the DNA with monkeys and apes, so why can't you copulate with an ape or chimp or monkey/
We are part of the animal kingdom. Telling that we are above or made at the image of a God is arrogance and dangerous. We do not descend from Apes, we belong to the family of the great Apes. We share more than 95% of DNA according to the mapping of both genomes, human and chimp.
Oh John K, I'm sorry to take the sacred long john which is sacred to you guys and make it common here because of the fact that I'm a lady and I don't have that sacred penis so that's why I don't understand the importance of not mentioning or talking about anything concerning man's sacred private part. Please pardon me for my insensitivity of talking about my hero's sacred private part which is not meant to be shared openly here as it is sacred. Thanks again for reminding me about my hero's sacred private parts of which I'm really interested to know if he has got his foreskin back to its original length after he left Islam. LOL. 🙂
As previously said, science is not interested in proving that God or Gods have no existence. However, scientific literatures concur to indicate that the God(s) hypothesis cannot be supported by tangible, valid and verifiable evidence. I would say the belief of God(s) is close to 0 while the belief of the absence of God(s) tends to approach 1 in terms of likelihood. Faith is not good enough to make assumption that Santa Claus is reel. Your faith is the result of your brain chemistry associated with cultural influence the same way that colours do not exist in the outside world.
I have only highlighted 3 important dates in the history of science that in my view were fundamental in the advancement of knowledge towards a world free from delusional fairy tales, hence our freedom.
“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?” John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816
To that quotation, we should also add Islam that J.Adams could not apprehend during his time.
However, I cannot put all religions in the same basket. For instance, one can tell that Jainism is a non-violent religion with the core idea that life is to be respected in all its forms and shapes. Killing even an insect is sacrilege for people of that faith.
Debating with religious zealots can be hard. I have experienced it with my brothers. One is Catholic; the other is Sunni Muslim. Whatever the level of evidence I can show them, it does not seem to work yet. My catholic brother asked me to read the bible. So I did and could not find anything that would have impacted in my belief that there is no God. To the contrary, I have found non-sense, violent and malicious advice and rules. My other brother who is Muslim asked me to read the Koran which I did. I was horrified…but I did not want to offend them. I just said to them: ‘I can understand why you believe so much and I respect you but I cannot find anything in your sacred books that can help me have faith in your God’. They both replied to me: “open your heart and stop reading this monkey Darwin! How do you distinguish between the good and evil? Where do you get your morality?” I responded: ‘from Socrates, Epicure, Ciceron, Voltaire, Victor Hugo and so on…’
“What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years”. John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814, quoted by Norman Cousins in In God We Trust: The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1958), p. 106-7, from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief
It's impolite to talk about people's private parts in a common and profane manner. That's why they call it "private" and that's why they call it profanity. You take what is sacred and make it common.
Dear John K, I really don't understand why you're so angry with me over this harmless joke? Did I post any pics of circumcised and uncircumcised man's genital here for exhibition to explain my joke? I was merely making a small joke here with my dear hero, to prove that he will never revert to Islam. If you are offended by my sense of humour, then as a Christian lady, I hereby apologize to you for mentioning the words 'foreskin' and 'circumcision' which are all about your long john. 😉
I think it was you who not long ago said Dr. Sina did not keep the Golden Rule because he posted pictures that were offensive to you. You do not set a good example of Christianity when you don't watch your potty mouth.
Don't worry, my beloved hero, Dr Ali Sina, if that day comes, I'll tell them that your foreskin has grown back and the fact that you did not go for a second circumcision, proves that you did not revert to Islam. LOL. 🙂
Hi Sidhoum, so, what you are saying is that you do accept the unsubstantiated Theory of Evolution that your first ancestors were apes? Is is true that you descended from apes?
Dear John K
Yes, Jesus said that in His Father's house, there are many mansions and that He is going to there to prepare a place for us and He will come to fetch us to where He is. Jesus is saying this to all those who believe in Him.
You are wrong to say that someone who waits until the end of his life to repent surely will not get as great a reward as someone who has lived a life of goodness but has not received the gospel. Who told you that? Please note that my loving Creator God is always fair and generous. Don't He has the right to do with His reward? Can you remember that Jesus said that the last will be first and the first will be last? Please read Matthew 20:1-16 which is about the parable of the workers in the vineyard, for a better understanding.
Hi John K, I think that my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, is a confused man in life. Why? Look at Dr Albert Einstein and you will understand why do I say so. When will my dear Dr Ali Sina come to his senses and expressed his deep appreciation for all my most sincere comments here, to help him come to the ultimate truth? Must he wait until the time that he took the last breath, then he will totally agree with my love advice for him? 😉
Dear Lonelyloner, you are right to say that I'm bold enough to claim that there is an afterlife and Heaven and hell do exist. Isn't it true that you body is liken to a shell which will return to the ground when the real you comes out of it? Who dare to deny this fact?
You demand for evidence and facts so that you will not doubt my claims. Yes, I have strong evidences and facts that will convince you of the ultimate truth that God is real and that Heaven and hell is real but you have to agree to all my requests first. Tell me, are you willing to do so?
Please tell him that recently I heard from our assembly of mullah in my country that the Pope has also converted to Islam because he cannot stand marrying a sexy muslim girl… The mullah has told the TRUTH and it's been broadcasted all around the corner… Thank you :p
no, you're not right.. the fact is siddharta was a muslim… jesus was an atheist… i heard this from a top mullah in my country…. thank you :p
"I wonder if Einstien ever chanced upon the concepts of Dwaita & Adwaita (Duality & Non-duality)." These quotes strongly suggest einstein was a non-dualist. "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest… a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness." And another quote "The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
Yes but they even lie about what famous people said about it. But what more do we expect from someone who`s religion is a lie. Sunni islam is one thing but it is nothing compared to shia islam, which is nothing but a even more dangerous messianic verson of sunni. Lies do not just need liars but gullable fools who accept them without question. It seems Mr Tabatabie believes that Ali sina and the rest of us are gullable fools who accept lies without even checking. No Mr tabatabie we are not muslims who accept any lie unquestionable or logical fallicies without calling you up on them.
We could do it if we elevated our recognition of the danger to the same level we had with the Nazis and Communists. We need the House Un-American Activities Committee!
That's something that only you can know through prayer, study, and listening to your conscience and the impressions of guidance from the Holy Spirit.
Do put your safety first. Don't rush into anything. Make your thinking slow, measured, and deliberate. Don't do anything unless you feel absolutely certain that it is the right thing.
Communication in marriage is an art. There is nothing wrong with good, honest questioning. But if you don't have his heart and ear, you accomplish nothing. You have to wait for prime moments of closeness to open up to him. A lot depends on his perception of your importance and value. Some Muslims make women minimal auxiliaries and others treasure their wife as their best friend. If you don't know where you stand with him, you need to learn.
Quoting a few lines from the article,
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These Islamic sites post several quotes from famous personalities such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Gandhi, Leon Tolstoy, Bernard Shaw and others that praise Islam.
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Muslims constantly seek approval from people in authority and for the unwary people it seems to be a cheap way to endear themselves with Muslims. Sadly, these approvals compound Muslims’ ignorance and make them more fanatical and as the result more violent.
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Boy am I so glad to read those statements. Winston Churchill to shared some thoughts about Mohammedans, and how apt are those. Thank you, Dr. Sina – awesome article. I wish you key in more & more articles – and I wish you win this ideological struggle expeditely.
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Having said that, *the* problem with gandhi is that not only does he praise Islam, he also ensures that no person or group of persons ever develop a spine to stand up against islamic (or any other type of) violence. It seems more sad now that the same author on another article says "good hindu becomes gandhi". 🙁
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I wonder if Einstien ever chanced upon the concepts of Dwaita & Adwaita (Duality & Non-duality). His view of god seems to match that of the non-duality of nature.
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Registering Qurans is possible to be implemented in the West, definitely out of the question for 3rd world countries. I think, one country in the West should start it.
And why not go all the way? Illegalize Quran? The source of all evil. Illegalize mosques? Why not?
You know, The Saudians shut the door for any house of worships other than Islam’s, made Bibles, crucifixes, Buddha statues, Vedas, sermon DVD’s illegal. They even confiscate those things at Saudian customs.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia
I have to admit part of my hesitation to present this site to him is his reaction. Even though I have total belief in God & His sovereignty part of me is afraid of him blowing. Like other Muslims, I'm sure he'll react with rage. I do have small children to think of. He will be angry & he's been on the verge of violence in the past when I've challenged his beliefs. My problem is not knowing and backing up Christianity. My problem is getting him to listen. The moment I start to question the validity of the Quran, he closes the conversation. So what do you do when someone is just unwilling to listen to, in my opinion, honest questioning?
Correct. Any attempt to develop a concept of the Bible must consider the entire text and include all the verses which deal with a particular concept to understand the big picture of which it is a part.
Hard to say. There's a lot of notoriety in the news about a life of luxury in prisons, but I don't know how widespread it is. Definitely could use Understanding Muhammad though. I just saw an article on the Chinese crackdown on the jihadists in the west. It says they will probably get mandatory political indoctrination classes for key people like teachers. Prisoners could use the same. We've lost the concept that prisons are supposed to be CORRECTIONAL institutions.
I think anyone who wants to be an Imam should be subjected to a class on Understanding Muhammad as a state licensing requirement. After all, they do put Surgeon General's warnings on packs of cigarettes for their potential to kill. How much more potential to kill does a reader of the Quran have? Or, people want to register gun owners because someone might kill, so how about registering Quran owners?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/world/asia/17ch…
The doctrine of the Bible in the Quran proves Islam is false. David Wood calls it the Islam Dilemma. This is from my rough transcription of his video explanation:
"Conversations with Muslims almost always go to corruption of the Bible. Most Christians don't know how to answer. Some can talk about textual criticism and history of manuscripts, but the standard response should be, 1st, why does the Qur'an say no one can corrupt the words of Allah, 2nd, why does the Qur'an say repeatedly that people still have access to the Gospel, 3rd, why does the Qur'an command me to judge by the Gospel? It's been corrupted according to you, and, finally, I can show you textual support for the Bible.
This is called the Islam dilemma. There are only two options. If the Qur'an over and over again affirms the Christian scriptures, and the Christian scriptures affirm Islam is false, then Islam has a problem. Islam is false because it contradicts the Christian scriptures. If it is not the word of God, then Islam is false because it constantly affirms it is the word of God. So, if the Bible is true, Islam is false, if the Bible is false, Islam is false. Either way, Islam is false."
See the entire presentation on this and other topics together with the supporting Quran verses on YouTube:
What Every Christian Needs to Know About Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKKNJ9tjo4Q
So my point then one ok, you want to use the Bible, read and know the whole thing. You wouldn't take a book and read a couple of sentences here and there and then claim you know what the whole book is about. So why is it that's what everyone does to the Bible? Of course my husband's only reaction was to get mad at me and say he's not going to discuss it with me. I would try to get him to look at this site, but I know he wouldn't. He can attack & say whatever he wants about the authenticity of the Bible but God forbid I turn it on him.
I just read the article on faithfreedom.org disputing Mohammad in the Bible. My husband has tried telling me that so I myself went and looked up every verse they claimed mentions him, and as a normal uneducated person could see none of them have any relation to Mohammad. So my argument to him was this. If my book, (the Bible) is corrupt, why use it to prove your points? They'll bring up certain vs and make silly arguments from it (the biggest one being is how can God pray to Himself) but chose to ignore claims where Jesus said, "I am the way, the Truth…", or, "If you knew me, you'd know the Father," & my favorite, when he answered, "Tell them before Abraham was, I AM" I mean if there's no claim to deity there, I don't know what is.
Are inmates have access to internet at max-sec prisons? They should go to these sites.
I think they should pass out copies of Understanding Muhammad for terrorism inmates. Should be really easy for them to relate. You know, they being terrorists and all. Inmates do a lot of readings in prison.
Right. Very interesting to see how that plays out.
Let's see… taqiyya let's him deceive and necessity let's him eat pork if it helps Islam.
They say Ramzi Yousef denounced Islam at ADX Supermax. But the prison guards doubt his sincerity though. Should be interesting to see.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
So making a cross sign means converted to muslim? Did they think people couldn't see that?
Right. And from a religion that that makes mischief a capital offense!
I went to a "speech" at the mosque that my husband convinced me to go to. Mainly b/c the speaker was a converted Christian minister. But he claimed that William Rodriguez (the 911 janitor who went inside to save people) also converted to Islam and this speaker was supposedly the one who lead him to the truth. Of course I'm very skeptical.
And not to raise hairs, but there was also insinuation that 911 was a set up against them b/c none of the Jews went in that day!?! I could see through the whole speech this was anti-american and anti-media talk. And I confronted my husband about it. I said aren't you supposed to be teaching people about Allah. That's what we do in church. We study the Word. Not spread mischief.
I was being sarcastic with the first sentence. I know very well none of the true prophets were Muslim. And I know a lot of prisoners are being superficial in their conversions. We just found it interesting that people proned to violence were attracted to Islam when they claim it's a religion of peace.
Right! I’ve heard about it.
You know the term about a non-muslim being claimed as a muslim? A “Must-Claim”.
And they 'converted' football star Kaka', who is a pious Catholic.
I don't see that any of these texts prove there is no God.
I have posted twice before on this site that Paul taught that we should not have blind faith. He said that faith is evidence of things which are not seen, which are true. Christ said that he would send the Holy Spirit to testify of the truth of all things. Each person must find God through their own inner spiritual experiences and studies.
Dr. Sina is a free thinker. He has his own way of understanding things, and if there is something you have said that catches his attention, he will consider it. But it is not necessary to state your position more than once. He has read it. He knows what it is. If he has more questions for you, he will get back to you.
Jesus said that in his father's house are many mansions. Someone who waits until the end of his life to repent surely will not get as great a reward as someone who has lived a life of goodness but has not received the Gospel. "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree". Someone who repents on his deathbed cannot change what he has made himself into, but as Jesus said to the thief, he will be with him in paradise for a day.
Agreed. It's a sign of insecurity to need validation. I'm not saying it's bad. We all do it, and maybe need it emotionally, but logically and intellectually, it's superfluous.
Truth does not need any one's praise to survive as it is and truth always supports itself by truth and nothing else. Only a lie needs liars for it to survive. Since Islam is a lie and Muslims know this fact that makes them suffer from inferiority complex, they badly want celebrities to praise Islam hoping that this praise could save Islam from its obliteration.
Very bold claim you make here, that you think you know for sure that there is an afterlife and that your version of afterlife is it. That you know for sure that Heaven and Hell do exist, and that you know for sure that your body is just a shell for your soul and that after you die your senses will be sharper than ever before… wow!
Well @AngelaKiwi asked for evidence. I do too.
No, not logical arguments. Evidence! Facts! Something on same level as… you or others dying and then somehow producing full record of experience of this afterlife. Evidence so strong that it is beyond all doubt. Perhaps something on similar level as Dr.Sina's claim that Muhammad is an evil criminal (no other scholar could refute even now).
Well, got evidence?
If no evidence, then your claim is only a belief, nothing more. And so you better be clear about that.
Dear John K, Dr Albert Einstein believe in Spinoza's God which is the same belief as what my dear Dr Ali Sina believe in too, especially the Single Principle behind every creation. How to help my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, to understand that Dr Albert Einstein was wrong?
Yes, every life is precious to God and God is no respector of man. But it's the heart of a man that counts. God looks at the heart of man. A man can do good throughout his life but at his deathbed, his heart is still unrepentant while the worst sinner on earth can commit the worst sin on earth but before he die, he humble himself before God and truly repent of all his wickedness and sins and receive salvation, in Jesus' name.
1.1543 = “De revolutionibus Orbinum coclestium” Copernicus
2.1859 = “On the Origin of Species” C.Darwin
3.1953 = DNA double Helix model by J.Watson/F.Crick
4.?
This is only the beginning not to proof that there is no God but only to enlighten further about the origin of life. However, I do believe that in one hundred years the study of religions will become the study of mythology.
“Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities”. Voltaire.
The fifth Ape is the only one who is capable of holocaust and barbarisms not only against his own species but also against life in general.
Well, if you track Einstein's statements on religion, he seems to have varied somewhat in different periods of his life. I've heard that towards the end he had swung back towards believing in God, but I have not seen evidence of it.
Every life is precious, and an unknown peasant is as important to God as a celebrated genius like Einstein. Those who did good throughout their lives are certainly on better standing before God than criminals and violent Muslims.
Hi John K, besides Christians, those who practice black magic or sorcery should know this absolute truth that there is an afterlife because they engaged demonic help and they belong to the kingdom of darkness which is spiritual. Thus, Dr Albert Einstein died without realizing this important truth. What a great pity!
Right. Thomas Jefferson had a Quran because he wanted to understand why we were fighting the Barbary pirates, which is better rendered as Barbary jihadists who were just looking for Christian prey.
Keith Ellison somehow didn't say anything about that when he wanted to be sworn in with Jefferson's Quran. I suppose that swearing on a Quran also means Ellison is not bound by his oath of office since the Quran allows lying and the Quran advocates unethical and criminal behavior.
In prison ministries the saying goes that inmates find Jesus in prison and leave him there when they get out.
Near-death experiences tend to validate what Christians believe as reports of those returning describe being met by a Jesus-like figure and meeting deceased family members.
And Thomas Jefferson kept a quran next to his bed.
Mark Twain admired muslims.
The Virgin Mary was muslim.
Any scientist or great thinker.
Might as well add Snoopy to the list.
All you can do is laugh at Islamic propaganda ,it is utterly ridiculous.
Right. Since these Muslims come from an ego-centric perspective, it doesn't occur to them how foolish and infantile they look to us. They think that their state of knowledge is state of the art and don't realize that they are not even operating in the same environment of academic standards as we are. Not all Westerners are scholars, but they have all been to school and know how knowledge is acquired and the basic outlines of what is known and not known.
Hi Johann, you are right to say that Dr Albert Einstein are too dumb to understand spiritual truth.
@AngelaKiwi Even if people were brought back from death by doctors, they still have to die eventually and that's the abosolute truth. It doesn't matter if you believe if there is an afterlife or not, the blatant truth is that is an afterlife. It doesn't matter if you believe if Heaven and hell exist or not. The blatant truth is that Heaven and hell do exist.
Your body is just a shell to house your soul and spirit man. The moment you die, the real you, which is your soul and spirit will come out of your shell and your senses will be more sharper than before. That's the beginning of your afterlife. You have a choice to make before you leave your shell behind: To choose my Lord Jesus Christ to be your guide or the devil to be your guide because you have absolutely no idea what's going on in the spiritual world.
"But I really cannot fathom how Dr Albert Einstein could remain as stubborn as a mule, with his atheist belief that there is no afterlife even while he was on deathbed?"
Got any evidence that your particular version of an afterlife exists, Agracean? How well does your version of an afterlife cope with people being brought back from death by doctors? Or people who were frozen solid before birth (IVF)?
Next possible list: Dalai Lama, Emperor Akihito, Queen Elizabeth, Pope Benedict, Nicolas Sarkozy, Vladimir Putin, Hu Jin Tao, Obama (ops, my bad) etc. Why don't use Neanderthal too?
All the people this man quotes he gives no sources whatsoever. Why if einstein became muslim he was not shouting it from the rooftops? Or the muslims parading him through the streets shouting allah akbar? Imagine how einstein would look one of the most well known scientists to have ever lived, talking about how islam guided him and his scientific work next to the nobody that is that clown zakir naik. I am sure next this "learned" mullah will talk about how einstein explained scientifically how the hidden mahdi has kept
himself alive for hundreds of years. Or maybe how his own ancestors were turned into pigs and monkeys. But then again he may have kept it to himself in fear of being thought a ignoramus. Shame the same cannot be said about ahmadinejad.
You are right about that Johann. I experience that in my own life, and I have known many people who were brilliant in some things and clueless in others, and not just that they neglected study of certain subjects, i.e., narrow and not well-rounded, but actually not able to easy comprehend and grasp how to function in other fields. It is said that even Einstein couldn't go shopping without a list, but I don't know if that's just folklore. I think the point is that we like to admire Einstein for his genius, and if his point of view is somewhat similar to our own, we feel vindicated.
Why should Einstein comments good or bad about religion and God be important.I could be genius in math and dumb in other areas.
So, my beloved hero, Dr Ali Sina, it's time for you to unwind and reeducate your brain, to understand that it's useless to trust in the stupidity of a scientist and end up as stupid as him. Instead, it would be more wiser to believe and trust in the Author of the Golden Rule, Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the Way(Dao), the Truth and the Life. Last but not least, the truth is that there is an afterlife and Dr Albert Einstein was ignorant of the truth that n the first place, my loving Creator God did not create human beings with the intention to punish them. No, you ought to know the truth that He does not delight in punishment at all.
Hi Married to Muslim, only liars will claim that Jesus was a muslim and you know whom I'm referring to. Islam does not exist at all when Jesus was born, so how in the world can Jesus be a Muslim? Never believe in those lies concorted by Muhammad and his followers.
It's really funny to know that an Iranian Mullah has the cheek to claim that Dr Albert Einstein converted to become a Shite muslim. If Dr Albert Einstein really was a Muslim before his death, then, I strongly believe that my dear Dr Ali Sina will not buy his story about the 'Single Principle behind every creation'. 🙂 Well, we all know that this is a stupid lie created by a halal mullah.
But I really cannot fathom how Dr Albert Einstein could remain as stubborn as a mule, with his atheist belief that there is no afterlife even while he was on deathbed? That's perhaps his greatest mistake even commited in life and in death. No wonder there's no limit to his stupidity though he was the greatest scientist ever lived on planet earth. Afterall, who could ever deny the fact that he was just a mere finite, imperfect human being like one of us, whose knowledge is limited and therefore, his belief is wrong.
Hey even Jesus was Muslim, right? My old boss made an interesting observation. He asked me why he hears that a lot of prisoners are converted to Islam!?! Of course many people embrace Christianity in prison as well, but I don't think it's for the same reasons.
This problem is a manifestation of the fact that Islam is not a knowledge-based society, and as such the ideas of fact-checking, evaluating sources, and academic standards of scholarship are foreign to them.
The idea that Muslims are superior gives them no reason to doubt anything they get from a Muslim source. If a Muslim says it, it must be true. Or the opposite of the English saying, "Don't believe everything you read."
When I die, they will say in the last days of my life I reverted to Islam LOL
Einstein converted to Islam? Wow! Did he recite the shahadah? In what language? Hebraic? LoL.
Here’s a list of people that muslims falsely and deliberately claimed as one of their own:
Biblical Adam, Moses, Abraham, Jesus.
Will Smith, Michael Jackson, Karen Armstrong, Neil Armstrong, Tony Blair, Tareq Aziz, Aaliyah (the late female rapper), Salma Hayek, Robin van Persie, Jacque Cousteau.
Don’t forget, all new born babies are muslims. LoL.
You’re right, Al. Muslims do suffer inferiority complex.