A Mote in Your Eye

Sina, There is no fun in Masturbating with one’s own brain

I acknowledge that terminal diseases are plaguing a portion of Muslim minds, societies & countries, particularly the mindless killings and exploitation of women.
Without counseling, medication and cure the diseases are devouring them & women and also people belonging to other religions.

Have few questions for you Sina:

(1) There is violence and heinous crimes being committed by people belonging to other religions. I mean no disrespect to anyone but even today people worship bizarre things, feed on dead bodies of human beings (also feed on snakes, frogs etc.), have sex with dead bodies of human beings, have sex with animals [evidence is available on Internet and Newspaper reports]. In spite of all this, if these people are unable to forego their respective religions it’s naive to plot a mission asking Muslims to forego their religion.

There are several aspects of the religion which are built on rock and Muslims do reflect on those aspects. No amount of slander or attack can shake their faith; no doubt there will be exceptions with a portion of Muslims.

(2) If you go from one end of the west tunnel to the other end of it, you will observe that most people are soggy and dripping in free Porn, Sex and Pedophile activities. People are drenched in lap dances in nude bars; US Senators, Finance Market regulators and government service staff watch porn while on job; Military Chiefs have extra-marital sex with colleagues, Government Intelligence team sent to a south American country to guard their President instead engages in brothel work, Several Male soldiers rape their female colleagues; One of the Presidents of US had extra marital sex in White House; One of the Prime Ministers of UK had sex on terrace of public transport bus; One of the Prime ministers of Italy used to regularly arrange sex parties in his official residence; The church Priests either molested or had sex with underage male and female worshipers alike; At the sex hub of the globe – California where porn is produced, packaged and exported to various countries across the globe, here you find 2 types of sex film sets one where males use cover and the other where there is no cover used by male punks; some people of these societies engage in group sex, swap their spouses with others, no wonder AIDS is one amongst the most prevalent terminal diseases in their societies; Mobile brothels, sex toy shops are as common as any department store. Alcohol binge inevitably leads to more violence and sex assaults on females in their societies.

Any reason what has gone wrong with these people of so called liberated culture ? I am asking this because you have nightmare about only 1 ‘doom’ what about these other ‘dooms’ ?

(3) About the people of so called liberated culture, any thoughts why their soldiers always get caught burning/urinating on holy book of other religion, urinating on dead bodies of enemy combatants, why have their people turned themselves into rapists? It seems like you & your allies are not bothered about these evil cultures as i do not see even a single protest against it on your website. Your whole & sole 1 sided focus unmasks your and your allied collaborators actual intentions?

(4) As you seem to have conducted extensive surveys, for the benefit of people who visit here, can you publish the number of human killings plotted and executed until recently by people of various religions including atheists?

(5) Do you have any recommendation as to which is the most effective religion today that one can follow or do you advise people to be apostates/atheists without a guideline for life?

(6) You have referenced various Hadith book sources, publicly quoting its text and displaying the names of the authors in your website and emails, as a mark of courtesy to the Hadith authors who have recorded the events without fear and not having concealed anything out of shame, Can you also let know which top 100 individuals, corporates, governments and non- governmental organizations are funding you, IT infrastructure in your online campaign? Can you share the investors full name, % fund contribution made, their religion and Nationality ?

best wishes


Humans are defective creatures and we have always done despicable and shameless things.  In the past this was even more.  I don’t have a panacea to all the ills affecting mankind.  You only scratched the surface.  There are more ills that you did not mention.

All this is red herring. Imagine someone being tried as a serial child molester and in his defense he enumerate the countless crimes that have happened, whose perpetrators have not been caught. Would any judge buy that as a defense? Does giving a laundry list of other people’s crimes reduce the culpability of the defendant?  Of course not! Likewise, by enumerating the sins of others you can’t reduce the crimes of Muslims and Islam.

No one is following the footsteps of the criminals, child molesters, thieves, pimps and prostitutes.  These are mishaps of the society. They have always existed and they may always exist.  Muslims follow the examples and the teachings of a criminal. They think Muhammad, a psychopath, a mass murderer, a rapist and a pedophile was a holy man and try to be like him.

Many Muslims will not follow Muhammad if they knew the truth about him.  Criminals go after crime because it is their nature. We can’t do much about that. They know what they do is evil and still choose to do it. Many Muslims are decent people who will not choose crime and vices naturally. They follow Muhammad thinking he will lead them to salvation and they are misled.  They do evil thinking they are doing good. They follow Satan believing to be following God.  Unlike the criminals who choose evil consciously, Muslims do evil thinking they are doing God’s work. This means a criminal may one day repent, because of his awareness. A Muslim will never repent because of his lack of awareness.  Many criminals have turned their lives upside down because of the guilt. Muslims can butcher many innocent people and an hour later stand in prayer thanking their god to have given them the privilege of being a ghazi, a raider, a murderer. We see that happening in the life of Muhammad and his biographies are full of tales like this.

Now if you are content to do evil because when you read the newspapers you see there are many other criminals and perverts in the world, then you should stay a Muslim.  Islam is the religion of criminals and perverts. But I am sure there are many Muslims who have no clue that Islam is a deception. They think they will go to heaven if they follow Islam.  But Islam is a path to hell.  I am writing for them.  If you are among these people then read more. If not, ignore what I write and keep comparing yourself to perverts, pedophiles, the pimps and other lowlife thugs.  I am sure you’ll always find someone worse than yourself.

As for urinating on the Quran and burning it, why would you consider it to be such an egregious act? It’s just a book made of paper and ink.  What is so sacred about them? If you are concerned about the content of its message, it says slay the unbelievers wherever you find them; don’t take them as friends  even if they are your brothers and father; they are filthy; they are wost than animals; I will strike terror in their hearts; they will go to hell; chop their heads from above their necks and other hateful things.  Why should an unbeliever have any respect for a book that insults him and incites so much hatred against him?

What would Muslims do with a book that says these things about them? Would you still respect it? The sacred books of the Ahmadis and Bahais mention Muhammad with highest respect and yet you Muslims have no difficulty burning them just because they say there is another messenger after Muhammad.  Not only you burn their books, you persecute their followers and kill them too.

What about the Bible that allegedly Muslims claim to be the word of God? Well that book is banned in most Islamic countries. You can go to jail in Saudi Arabia if you are caught with a copy of the Bible entering the country. Only a few days ago Saudi Arabia arrested 41 Christians for “plotting to celebrate Christmas” While in the west Muslims demand privileges that are not given to any other religion, in their countries they deny the basic human rights to non-Muslims. Indonesia’s top Muslim clerical body said a few days ago that it is best for Muslims to avoid saying greetings such as “Merry Christmas” to others, until they decide whether celebrating Christmas in a Muslim country is halal or haram. How much hypocrisy and double standard is enough?

The Quran is a book of hate and violence. It does not deserve any respect, especially from those that are the object of its hate, which is everyone who does not believe in it. The non-Muslims countries must ban it and adherence to it should be punished as treason.

I am not prescribing any religion. I have chosen none for myself, but each person has to find his own way.  I’d say any religion is better than Islam.  No one can find justification for killing others in the New or Old Testament, the Vedas, the Dhamma, the Avesta or any other sacred book, while the Quran is full of incitements to hate and to kill.

So who is masturbating with his brain? You Muslims or I?  You think eating frogs and snakes is gross while see nothing wrong in slaughtering camels, cows and goats during your most sacred festivity and rejoice spilling blood of innocent animals that are much more evolved and far more closer to us humans than snakes and frogs.  I know of no country allowing sex with dead corpse except the Islamic country of Egypt whose newly elected Islamic parliament passed a law legitimizing men to have sex with the corpse of their wives.  I know of no law allowing bestiality and having sex with animals and  infants  except the Sharia law that defines and regulates these despicable acts (Read the book of Khomeini).

You are a Muslim and as such blind to the evils of Islam.  While evil things happen everywhere, Islam is the only religion that canonizes evil and prescribes it. A Muslim can’t see the beam in his own eye while he can see the mote in the eyes of others.

No one is funding me. A group of friends and I work as volunteers and most of the cost of maintaining my sites come from my pocket. I do receive some donations from readers, for which I am very grateful, but those donations cover only a fraction of the cost of the server and technical needs. We are dedicated to this cause just as Muslims are to Islam.

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478 Responses

  1. Rubaya Binte Siraj says:

    Please Zitouni, give me the link to the website where you have posted your rebuttals. In the process, they will either enlighten me (if you are right) or you (if you are wrong and if I can provide answers). Please don't hesitate.

  2. Momo says:

    Ali Sina offers $50,000 reward to anyone who can prove him wrong.

    So funny and coward. …

    If he really speaks the truth and ready to maintain the truth, why only offer $50.000? why not $5000. If he's true, he will never be wrong.

    this means that he's afraid that if he is really right or not. He's still doubt about his simple logic
    And this means that his truth can only be valued $50.000.

    I offer you $50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, if you can prove that 2 x 2 is not 4.


  3. whysomuchhate says:

    Are you illiterate LOL

  4. whysomuchhate says:

    2(0) is not equal to 1(0) genius. Although a billion people would still believe it and beat their chests if this was written in the quran 😛

  5. Peaceful_Islam says:

    //Look, 9/11 was an attack on America by Osama Bin Laden//

    About the 9/11 Lie and Hoax:

    It was clearly a drone or a missile that hit the pentagon, and WTC7 came down bycontrolled demolition explosions from bottom-up, almost simultaneously! Also, it's been scientifically proven that military-grade Thermite was used to melt the WTC pillars, which caused the buildings to collapse. 9/11 was 100% an Israeli Mossad operation!

    Watch this film of Western Scientists and honest Patriots that indisputably confirm that 9/11/2001 was an inside terrorist job by the US Government and the Israeli Mosad.
    A six-part video with ample evidence about the bombing of the Pentagon being A HOAX!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7zp-08Axi8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4cNxFVNow&mohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rG7RoEW_Ak&mohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdUOTJaCkm0&mohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r81RCp7mqY&mohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSJws-Yxsyc&mo

    //But since 9/11 there arose many anti-Islam (and NOT anti-Muslim!) activists, like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller etc.//

    'Anti Islam and not anti Muslims activities' Haha! what a joke Brother.

    ''Jews and Muslims, a glimpse into the future''
    Here is the activity of Ali Sina not against Muslims?

    //Even TAM, The American Muslim-website of Sheila Musaji, disagrees with you. The death-penalty for apostasy is denied often by Islam-apologists. Because they know how unfair it is, how it is against universal human rights, declared by the UN//
    The various collections of hadith state clearly that apostate are to be killed. But perhaps American Muslims want to please non Muslims.
    And sorry I got misunderstood, If Ahmed Rehab is Against Usama bin ladin and Taliban then I'm also against him.
    Also watch the video of Zakir Nike about 9/11
    [youtube TeWYL7OzgsE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeWYL7OzgsE youtube]
    🙂 Peace 🙂


  7. chuck says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha – what instant jump to abuse and lie?

  8. aminthemystic says:

    Now you have no answer – other than to repeat! pi You have run out!

  9. chuck says:

    Like you confessed.. childish.

  10. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    I really




  11. chuck says:

    Hence this is EVEN more – evidence of your childishness. And pettiness

  12. aminthemystic says:

    As I never made such confession – this is poor and rather childish . . .

    Hence this is EVEN more – evidence of your childishness. And pettiness.

    – – –

    I mean removing an I from. . . Brilliant – and presenting it as "funny".


  13. aminthemystic says:

    There you go! Like I said . . . childish.

  14. chuck says:

    //No – Just unoriginal. Well – what can I say.


    People feel the need to copy me. //
    Yes, in replying you. You are BRILL – ANT!!

  15. aminthemystic says:

    No – Just unoriginal. Well – what can I say.


    People feel the need to copy me.

  16. chuck says:

    I am hurt!!

  17. aminthemystic says:

    As my words imply. . . . . nope. Just boring. And rather childish.

  18. chuck says:

    Might be new to you.

  19. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha . . . oh the WIT is killing me!

  20. chuck says:

    Keeping the other one for the kiddo.

  21. aminthemystic says:

    How clever – pasting my lines back at me. . . .

    Pull the other one kiddo.

  22. chuck says:

    //THen thing is – you pretended to know about Maths – and pretended you were answering him.

    Yet you weren't.

    You were pretending. //
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha – what instant jump to abuse and lie?

  23. aminthemystic says:

    No you are not . ..

    I was among the 1st to challenge him!


    – – –

    THen thing is – you pretended to know about Maths – and pretended you were answering him.

    Yet you weren't.

    You were pretending.

    And I successfully exposed that


    Just like all those other times.

    – – –

  24. Danielle says:

    Ok 🙂

  25. Sakat says:

    I have already said ,i am not having any hurting from Gracie. Thanks for your caring . I am not bothered about the capital alphabet in the beginning of the sentence either or the full stop at the end.Some where the sentence has to end,but i want the sentence to be meaningful,one should like it later.I don't want the subject drag further here in this site, so ….big full stop.Thanks once again,take care.

  26. Sakat says:

    Thanks for your concern ,i am moved ,i was on a days austerity ,so couldn't response early,sorry. When i heard the untimely death of a lad and the pain you feel, i couldn't control my emotions and out of context my heart open before i could make an effort to halt it.I don't want to drag it further ,which will jeopardize my will power and consequently the end of the story.Once again i thank you for your compassion.Take care.

  27. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, may I invite you to say this prayer together with me: Dear God, I know that I have done many sinful deeds. I know that no one can be justified before You by keeping commandments or doing good works because no one can be perfect. I believe that You came to Earth as a man, Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the whole world when He was crucified and physically died on a cruel cross at Calvary. I believe Jesus Christ was buried. I believe in my heart that on the third day You, God, physically raised Jesus bodily from the dead. I believe Jesus ascended to Heaven and sat down at Your right hand where He reigns as my Advocate.

    I believe that You, God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. I thank Jesus for taking away my sins forever. I believe Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I believe You will send the Holy Spirit to live within me. I believe I am born again in the Spirit and will now have eternal life with You. Thank You, God, for forgiving me and giving me everlasting life. In the name of Jesus Christ I pray, Amen.

  28. Agracean says:

    “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16).

    “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Rom 10:9).

    “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household” (Acts 16:31).

  29. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, I want you to know that Jesus loves you and I love you too. I want you to know that there is life after death and that you will spend eternity somewhere. The truth is that I want you to be safe in the bosom of Jesus. Jesus came to earth to live a perfect life, leaving His glory in heaven. He came to have God place His holy wrath on Him in our place so that we might be able to spend eternity with Him. That is His desire. God keeps His promises and if you believe in Him, He will never leave you nor forsake you even after death (Heb 13:5). 2 Peter 3:9 reveals that “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” Knowing that He doesn’t want anyone to perish without Him, if you will place your trust in Him, He will give you saving faith.

  30. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, I'm sorry to know your current situation. Hebrews 9:27 actually says that we have a day that God has appointed for us to die, saying “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.” God has actually given each human being a set number of days to live. Psalm 139:16 makes this clear, “Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Ecclesiastes 3:2a clearly indicates that there is “a time to be born and a time to die.”

  31. Danielle says:

    Dear Sakat,

    Please do not take offence with my fellow Christian sister. I shall pray to my God for the healing of your disease, Sakat. I can feel your pain when i hear of your illness. You are sincerely pious to your religion. Continue to seek the truth. It is a good thing to do. Surely your strong will power will also help you overcome obstacles in your life, Sakat.

    Yours sincerely,

  32. Sakat says:

    If i heart you knowingly or unknowingly please forgive me,if you think that i am stupid i am ready to take that title .My only request ,be "cheerful" all the time whatever happens even you encounter death in front of you.( It had worked with me so far ,i am suffering from deadly disease, long back i would have died but with my will power and the grace of these Himalayan saints i am still here).I felt pain when i heard you lost one your relative,young. Now my time for meditation ,bye take care.

  33. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, sometimes, I felt like announcing to the whole world that I'm done with stupid people! 😛

  34. Danielle says:

    Dear Sakat, thank you.

    While Dr Ali Sina is presenting his arguments, i think participants here, including myself, should focus on the issue at hand. Let us show, by abiding to the Golden Rule, that we are capable of mutual respect and tolerance with one another. Here! Right here in this forum!

    Then, followers of Islam can see for themselves and ask if their faith is congruent to those of the society at large. Isnt this a better way?


  35. Sakat says:

    The greatest pleasures of this earth are but transitory.Pleasure and pain are conditioned by our thoughts and deeds on this earth.one cannot change them,no matter where one goes. If a man goes into a wilderness and leads a lonely life,he finds that his desires drive him crazy because he cannot throw away his mind,And as long as he has not discarded his mind in this life, how can he expect that after death he will get rid of all his desires ?He who wants to divest himself of his desires will have to begin here in this life, and by attaining self-control, rise above earthly desires. For all worldly desires simply drag him back to this worldly plane.They cannot help him to get out of it . Any slacking, therefore,of our attachment to the material body and material conditions is of immeasurably more value than all the wealth and comforts that can be had on this plane.
    In ancient India the highest spiritual knowledge was imparted only to earnest aspirants who were possessed of self –restraint and high moral discipline. It was given only to those people who were free from the desire for enjoyments that are attainable by the performance of rites, sacrifices, and so forth.According to Shankara, the architect of Advaita philosophy, such aspirants must possess the preliminary moral disciplines the ability to distinguish between eternal and purely ephemeral values (nityanitya vastu vivekah), the complete giving up of the last trace of desire to enjoy the pleasures of the senses both in this wold and the world to come (ihamutra artha bhoga viragah), the cultivation of virtues such as restraint of body and mind (sama-damadi sadhana-sampat),and a burning desire to liberate oneself from the bondage of finite existence (mumuksutva).The acquisition of these qualifications was considered indispensable for entering on the further course of discipline consisting of the hearing of the sacred texts from a competent guru (shravan), contemplation on their importance by employing all one’s power of reasoning (manana), and unremitting meditation on the ultimate truth enshrined in them (nididhysana).

  36. Sakat says:

    Our first ancestor was Manu and human beings derived his name as reference "man" to call them. I ,you and all European's are his decedents. Adam and Eve are ancestor to Jew's.In any Hispanic language Adam is not used to refer humans ,simply he is called 'Man(u)". I hope i have enlightened you about this hard truth.( if possible read Manu Smriti )

  37. Sakat says:

    I don't have any ill-will with Gracey ,she is a very good lady .I had already expressed this things about ,in my earlier thread, in different article here in this blog.Infect, i am utilizing her here as my conduit , to convey certain hire truth preserved by our ancestors for the benefit of whole humanity,to certain sections of audience (who are unaware of these hire truth and believe whatever their holy book says is true). My love for Jesus and Buddha are immence even one step ahead of Gracey's herself. Thanks again,good day

  38. Danielle says:

    Dear Agracean, regardless of our intentions, we must firstly love and respect others. Our Lord Jesus demonstrated that Himself. He will only knock, it is up to others to open the door. He will NEVER force his way through.

    What happen to his teachings about blessed are the peace-makers? What happen to his walk on Planet Earth that show how he reach out to others? It is not by arguing. It is through the healing of those who are sick and afflicted, to help the poor and destitute, and to forgive others as God has forgiven us.


    Do it Jesus' way. Love others like we love ourselves.

    PS: Incidentally, that "Golden Rule" of modern societies parallels a lot of Jesus' teachings.

  39. Danielle says:

    Lol Sakat!!! Had been busy for a while 🙂

  40. Sakat says:

    oh! you are here OMG!,thanks.

  41. Agracean says:

    Maybe many human beingshere are offended by my truthfulness of the ultimate truth but to a drowning soul, the lifebuoy is all that matters and if you could see that there are so many souls struggling to stay afloat in that deep blue sea, I believe that like me, you would try your very best know how at all cost, to save them from perishing in the sea of ignorance.

  42. Agracean says:

    Hi Danielle, to cut it short, I wanna let you know that we often take things or people for granted knowingly or unknowingly but whether you like it or not, the truth is that time and tide waits for no man. There are many readers out there who might not make it tomorrow because of sudden death due to accidents or diseases or for some unknown reasons. I've got a distant relative, a 27 years old young man, suddenly passed away in his sleep due to heart failure. His medical record is clean and he don't have any past medical record of heart problems and the day before he died, he was as per his usual self and nobody notice anything amiss or wrong with him.

  43. Danielle says:

    Hey Agracean, I agree with Sakat and Chuck here.

    As I see it, this forum is here because Dr Ali Sina is presenting his points about the Quran and how it promotes values inconsistent to modern civilisations and our humanity as a whole. I have earlier presented my point in another thread, that if there are too much baseless and unproven hammering going on between one group over another, ALL of us will be reduced to barbaric behaviour and NONE can see any facts logically and impartially, or learn anything very much. The main issue raised is: IN THIS MODERN AND CIVIL TIMES, CAN ISLAM LIVE AT PEACE WITH OTHERS WHO DO NOT EMBRACE THEIR FAITH? (Whether everyone knows the answer to this very simple question or not is not my point now). So please stick to the main issue of this blog.

    If followers of Islam might want to consider other faiths, such as Christianity or Buddhism or Hinduism or embrace atheism or any other beliefs, it is really up to them. You can suggest, if you want, if you think any of the above beliefs might be a better alternative. But the choice is really up to the individual. In civil societies, people should be given freedom to choose their way of life, unless of course if what you choose hurt others around you.

    As a fellow Christian, I believe we need to respect those who wish to live in harmony with one another. Sakat invites Dr Ali Sina to a religious event. He was not inviting you. If you are not comfortable with his post, you can go and pray silently. We want to live in harmony here, in this very forum, as according to the "Golden Rule". Anything that hinders that should not have a place here. Isnt MUTUAL TOLERANCE one issue that followers of Islam has with others unlike them? What argument do we have left, if we amongst ourselves demonstrate the same intolerance?

    In any case, most modern religions now are consistent with the 'Golden Rule' which practices tolerance amongst others. We can call it the Golden Rule, but it is essentially a set of code of ethics that enable all to live peacefully.

    Agracean, please exercise tolerance.

    Sakat, please pardon us.

    And Admin, I surely hope I wouldnt need to ask you to remove this post of mine, again.

  44. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, I don't like to judge or prejudge anything or anyone as per your above claim and I'm not 'excellent' in it. Why don't you humble yourself and ask my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, if I'm telling the truth? He is as knowledgeable as me with regard to the absolute truth though he is an Atheist.

  45. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, the truth is that if you traced your ancestry line all the way back to 6000BC or so, you will realize that your first ancestors were Adam and Eve. It applies to every human being, including me too. If we said that we were not the offsprings of our first ancestors, Adam and Eve, we are deceiving ourselves and others. Now the question is: Why are there so many religions and beliefs in this troublesome world if we all were the descendants of Adam and Eve? I think that as you think deeper and research, you'll discover the ultimate truth, just like what I did many years ago.

  46. Sakat says:

    It is left to your judgement, because you are "excellent" in prejudging things.

  47. Sakat says:

    The kathopanishad expounds the mystery of life and death .It elucidates the law of karma and the destiny of all beings, and points out the way to gain perfect liberation from grief and distress . This Upanishad is concerned with something quite uncommon, beginning with an instructive story depicting how each person possesses a host of doubts as well as an abundance of faith, and ultimately hankers after the highest knowledge and happiness. Here the young seeker, Nachiketa, personifies the universal questioner, and unique answers are given by the king of Death himself. Those who are already traversing the path of contemplation and self-realization will easily understand the theme of this beautiful story. Nachiketa and the king of Death may be compared respectively to the lower mind and to the higher discriminating intelligence of the individual ,in the same manner as Arjuna and Sri Krishna have been interpreted in the Gita.
    Naturally enough, all seekers after truth are riddled, with doubds, and so they argue like atheists in order to arrive at a solution to their problems and to find a genuine proof of the final truth.Nachiketa is the symbol of the sincere inquisitive seeker after truth. The self – realised master , the king of death ,tests the intense craving of Nachiketa. He tempts Nachiketa in various ways with offers of pleasure and wealth , but Nachiketa is not moved. Eventually Nachiketa is granted the cherished grace of God-realization. After drinking the nectar of immortality , Nachiketa obtains absolute freedom from wordly fetters, thus settings shining example for all seekers after truth.

  48. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, please stop lying and fooling yourself. Jesus has nothing to with the ancestors of all those naked Hindhus. Do you know that demons can also perform all kinds of fake miracles to deceive stupid human beings? Mr Sakat, I'm curious to know if you are a Naga Sadhu? Do you wear clothes?

  49. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, the truth of the matter is that the Vedas teaches one to be good, just like Buddhism too but they are not the ultimate Universal truth. You can live your whole earthly life believing and following all kinds of meaningful religious lies found in this troublesome world and died a fool when you enter eternity or you can choose to discover the ultimate truth now which will set you free and enter into eternity with confidence. 🙂

  50. Sakat says:

    Jesus was taught golden rule by the ancestors of these Naga Sadhu's.These saints are the main attractions of Kumbh Mela because no one knows where they disappears after the Kumbh, and, one has to wait for next kumbh mela for their appearance.They live in deep Himalayas totally naked whole of their life. They can perform any kind of miracle ( far greater then Jesus) They can walk on the water ,can fly in the sky,can transform into tiny insect ,can covert into giant ,can appear many places at a time.can cure any person by simple glance of any incurable ailment etc….There is one Naga Sadhu by name Rampuri Baba who has written his autobiography ,by name "Autobiography of Sadhu" (An authentic and fascinating account of a Western yogi who has made India his home for his body and his spirit. Autobiography of a Sadhu is bound to challenge your view of reality and spiritual life. It is not just the story of a personal quest but of a journey beyond the Western civilization mind-set to the real India of the yogis, where the limitations of both our cultural ideas and our egos are continually exposed. An adventure into a different kind of reality.") if possible read it for first hand information about these sadhu's.

  51. Sakat says:

    The Vedas are universally recognized as the earliest spiritual revelations in the history of mankind. They are four in number – Rig, Sama,Yajur, and Atharva –and are divided into sections that apply to the different clans of ancient society . The real aim and object of the various clans was to perform the religious rites and sacrifices (Yajnas) appropriate to them .As the nature of the oblations and the mantras connected with them differed from one clan or community to another ,each group adopted and developed the injunctions and tests suitable to itself.These differences are reflected in the content of the Vedas and in the grammar for learning and explaining the mantras. Each Veda contains different Upanishads ,all of which are accepted as authoritative revelation by the traditional systems of India. Many savants have made Upanishadic commentaries, and they are all regarded as highly valuable by modern scholars.
    The Veda contain mantras or inspired hymns uttered by the great rishis (sages) of Truth. Vyasa collected the scattered gems of these Vedic truths and divided them into four sections .The oldest of them is the Rig Veda . The rishis used to sing these hymns using a musical scale with seven notes to an octave.
    It is pertinent to mention here that the seven notes of an octave in music were first discovered in ancient India by the rishis. Also, the seven spheres in the universe were understood by the yogis long before the modern world knew of them . Today many scientist ts believe that even the electrons of the atom are in seven spheres .An atom is made of electrons ,neutrons ,and protons. Neutrons constitute the central nucleus and govern the whole mass of the atom . The electrons move around the nucleus in different orbits ,which are associated with different amounts of energy . The higher the electrons orbit ,the more energy there is associated with it .Similarly ,in our bodies the Atman (self) is centrally situated and the seven chakras are the orbits associated with the different amounts of energy .The higher the position of the chakra, the more energy there is associated with it .This phenomenon was discovered by indian yogis ages before its rediscovery by modern science.
    The term Upanishad has been interpreted variously by scholars . “The Western scholars,” says Professor Max Muiller , “are agreed on deriving Upa-ni-shad from the root sad, to sit down , preceded by two prepositions ,ni ,down ,and upa ,near ,so that it expresses the idea of session ,an assembly of pupils ,sitting down near the teacher to listen to his instructions. “he himself also holds this view, though he admits that the word never occurs in this specific sense anywhere in the ancient literature. According to the Eastern commentators, the word Upanishad comes from the Sankrit word sad which means (1) to destroy, (2) to guide, and (3) to loosen. If we take the first meaning, we find that an Upanishad is “that which destroys the ignorance and the superstition of the individual soul.”If we adopt the second sense, the meaning of the word would be “that which guides the individual soul toward the attainment of the final goal,” The third meaning signifies “that which loosens the attachment of our material body to earthly conditions and to the material world.” As the light of the sun dispels darkness, so the light of the Upanishads destroys the darkness of our ignorance. The term Upanishad thus means “that which destroys the ignorance of the individual soul; that which guides the seeker toward the attainment of the highest wisdom the perfection; that which loosens our attachment to the material world, to earthly attractions, and to our own physical self”
    The Upanishads are not treatises written by scholars on any particular subject. They are the repositories of that wisdom which is eternal and uncreated by human agencies . We find in them the great truths of life here and hereafter, as also the ideals of earthly existence .Upanishads reveal the knowledge of the highest Absolute ,Brahman . Those who are genuine seekers of this truth and have purified their hearts by transforming them into pure consciousness can cut the knots of the cycle of births and deaths and attain liberation. The subject matter of the Upanishads is Self-realization, which brings about the utter extinction of the fire of worldly desires and the simultaneous attainment of supra mental knowledge. I hope my inquiry is differing from your understanding of the thing.

  52. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, I can't believe my good eyes when I read your above comment! If the Golden Rule is prevailing in your society since donkey years ago, then, why are there so many untold sorrows and tragic stories of so many Indian women in your country? Can you explain to me in details, how did Mahatma Gandhi protect the Indian ladies during his 'reign'?

  53. Agracean says:

    Hi chuck, the truth is that the blind cannot lead the blind. Both will fall into the river ganges and drown. That's the reason why all these blind and naked folks need Jesus and also, Good Samaritan ie. a kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady like me, chuck etc. to see the need to get dressed and to be in the right mind. 😉

  54. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, do you get the point now? 🙂

  55. Agracean says:

    “Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs, and he gave them permission. When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned. When those tending the pigs saw what had happened, they ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at Jesus’ feet, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. Those who had seen it told the people how the demon-possessed man had been cured. Then all the people of the region of the Gerasenes asked Jesus to leave them, because they were overcome with fear. So he got into the boat and left.

  56. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, please read Luke 8:26-37 They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” For Jesus had commanded the impure spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places. Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

  57. Sakat says:

    Do you know the meaning of !Golden Rule! ,I doubt ,Since you failed to find it ,applied practically by these Naga Sadus in their day to day life.If that rule is basically codified to target Islam,then I must distance myself from it, as far as it is tossed here in this blog.One more thing ,you might have come to know the existence of this golden rule through your MS here,but it is prevailing in Indic society since time immemorial,and, it is not remained in discourse but followed practically ( live example Mahatma Gandhi to be precise)

  58. Sakat says:

    Engulfed by impurity ,Adam! and Eve! were thrown from heaven to hell ( earth). Now as their descendents ,the human beings must find way to reach again to gods court ,and that will occur only when we nurture the purity in our thoughts.The Naga Sadhus have cultivated that faculty and we have not,if we fail to understand this simple truth , it is not there fault.

  59. chuck says:

    I think they are trying in their own way to achieve that. You may disagree with their way but thats fine as long as their 'way' isn't violent or intolerant. My point was different and it is these naked sadhus aren't spreading obscenity. We needn't measure their stance on the basis of religious views.

  60. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, thanks for not inviting me to Kumbh Mela of which I've no interest at all but since you've invited my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina and I knew in my heart of hearts that he will never attend such an awkward event, I can't help but applied the Golden Rule here, to help you see the truth that it's all about human stupidity and hope that one day, you will be smarter than me. 🙂

  61. Agracean says:

    Hi chuck,the point is that those naga sadhus or Digambari Jains need to come to the ultimate truth.

  62. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, in the beginning, human beings were naked but they felt no shame at all because they were perfectly pure in heart and mind. But after they wilfully disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit of knowledge, they fall from grace and suddenly realized that they were stark naked and they quickly covered up their important private parts with fig leaves. From that day onwards, it is natural for all knowledgeable human beings wear clothes. I think that you are wrong to say that I'm lacking in purity. Why? If it is perfectly alright for so many such demon possessed Hindhu ascetic priests to walk or jump around in the crowded street and with so many young children and women, watching all these 'holy' men's private parts dangling here and there, and some even poke their own private parts with sticks, then, what's the point of parental guidance to prevent innocent children from pornographic materials and websites?

  63. Sakat says:

    Indic culture is the most complex and colorful culture on the planet. You will see, the way people look, their language, food, way of dressing, music and dance, everything is different in every 50 or 100 km in the country. To experience the complexity of this culture in one place, you must go to the Kumbh Mela .You don’t have to bathe in the river – just look at the variety of people.
    In 2001, during the Mahakumbh, 75 million people gathered in Allahabad.It was one of the most incredible sights in the world. The worst and the best of humanity lands up there- if there were crooks, there were also many yogis of great accomplishment.
    Diverse people have been meeting like this for thousands of years . It is a tradition and a culture that has remained alive over time. Apart from having its social relevance, the Kumbh gathering has a certain spiritual strength. The earth and moon journey in cycles, and so too is your life, cyclical. These cycles can remain as cycles of bondage or they can become a means of transcendence – from one cycle of life to another.
    One who is longing for liberation is constantly seeking how to become free from the cycles one has created. There are various kinds of cycles, the longest being 144 years; once in 144 years, distinctive occurrences happen in the solar system and these are observed during the Mahakumbh Melas.
    Kumbh Melas are held at specific spots in the country around which a whole energy system was created. Because the earth is spinning, it creates a centrifugal force. From 0 to 33 degrees latitude, this force is largely working in a vertical manner in your system, and particularly at 11 degrees, the energies are shooting straight up. So, the ancients calculated and marked out points on the planet where there is a supportive influence on people.
    Many points happen to be confluences of rivers and there is a benefit to bathing in those areas . If one is at that spot on a particular day, rare possibilities become available,so people moved there to benefit from this. No where else on the planet does such a large number of people long for liberation with such intensity.
    Most Indians are unaware of the depth of mysticism and spiritual process that has happened and continues to happen in India. This land has always been known as the spiritual capital of the world, simply because no other culture has looked at the inner sciences with as much understanding. Here, liberation or mukti has been the highest goal, and even God is considered just a stepping –stone towards that.
    Despite several geographical, social and political disruptions over the years, the basic ethos of the spiritual process has survived .It is time that we reap the benefits of this profound tradition in its full glory.Along side Hindus though, the Kumbh is open to all, observers, participants or passing tourists –as Mark Twain was when he wondered awestruck on the Kumbh in 1895.

  64. chuck says:

    @Mr. Hardy,
    I agree with each of your point. Not only Africa, we have nudist colonies in Europe and America, some aborgine tribals in India and South East Asia, some communities like Digambaris and Naga Sadhus. There are many examples .

  65. chuck says:

    I don't think these holy men(naga sadhus) or the Digambari Jains show off their nakedness (gymnosophists). Whether its about human stupidity or not is a matter of opinion (and I am sure you are definitely correct in your own way), but it certainly has deep philosophical roots in India.
    One correction, they aren't Hindu 'priests' as you might think they are.
    Lets disagree and stop there instead of making pot-shots about them.

  66. Sakat says:

    Why your God don't give us birth fully covered with cloth. De condition your mind, only then you will come to know what is God and spirituality ,otherwise there is no difference between you and those Muslims ( what harm is there if they insist their woman to wore Burka). Purity of mind can be gagged from the expression of once thought ,in that respect you are lacking in purity.

  67. Sakat says:

    Have I invited you to Kumbh Mela, no,your opinion is not required to know about its specialty..

  68. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr chuck, this is all about human stupidity. All these 'holy' men don't have to show off their long bananas and big soft balls to show the world, especially all those innocent children and women of how 'holy' they were, even if they have to denounced the world and all their physical and sexual needs. The least that all these 'holy' Hindhu priests could do to show the world their 'holiness' is to buy briefs, to cover their nakedness. Or may be they are too poor to afford a brief. 😛

  69. Mr. Hardy says:

    "! morality can't be a universal parameter to judge anything as it differ from age to age region to region!"
    Yes, it is a fact. An example for that: in certain parts of Africa, it is normal
    for women to go out in public topless. In their region and even in this time,
    they do not consider this immoral, while it is considered so in many parts
    of the world.
    The majority of the readers here, are not realistic and they are not educated,
    some of them are extremely stupid, and I am telling you it is not fun at all
    to discuss any issue with this type of people.

  70. chuck says:

    Sorry, but I don't think we can apply the same sense of propriety at all times or in all cases. The women and children here knows, or at least believe, that these are holy men who have denounced their earthly needs (or put them to the barest minimum). This wouldn't be dissimilar to the Digambar Jains for example.
    I agree to the Dead Sea part of your comment.

  71. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, who in the world told you that the Dead Sea is reserved only for a certain group of people in this world? Don't you know that even a dog has the animal right to swim there? By the way, I find nothing special about Kumbh Mela and all those rivers? It's all about human stupidity. By the way, don't you find it awkward to watch all those naked Hindhu priests walking and jumping around such a big crowd of people as they head to the river to bathe? Is it appropriate for children and women to watch this religious procession?



    11. “And when we said unto the angels, worship Adam, they all worshipped him except Eblis (Satan), who refused, and was puffed up with pride and became of the number of the unbelievers.” 2: 32.)

    C. ~ This indicates that the Mohammedan God was not Omniscient i.e., He was not cognizant of the three periods of time – the past, the present, and future. Had he been Omniscient, He would not have created Satan. Nor was God All-powerful, since when Satan deliberately refuse to obey Him he could do nothing against him. Now if only one infidel (Satan), could trouble God so much as to render Him helpless what will He and His votaries do when they will have to cope with millions (according to their own belief) of infidels? God increased infirmity in some and let others astray. He must have learnt such things from Satan and Satan from God.

    12. “And we said, O Adam, dwell thou and thy wife in the garden, and eat of the fruit thereof plentifully wherever ye will; but approach not this tee, lest ye become of the number of the transgressors. But Satan caused them to forfeit paradise, and turned them out of the state of happiness wherein they had been, whereupon we said, Get down, one of you shall be an enemy unto the other; and there shall be a dwelling place for you on earth, a provision for a season. And Adam learned words of prayer for His Lord and then came down to earth.” (2: 33 – 35.)

    C. ~ This indicates that God was not omniscient inasmuch as He one moment blesses Adam saying “Dwell thou…. In the garden” and in the next turns them out. Had He been cognizant of the future, He would not have blessed him at all? It also appears that God was powerless to punish Satan, the tempter.

  73. Sakat says:

    The dead sea bathing is reserved for the people belonging to Semitic religions, it will work for the people who cares for their physical body . Who always feel , they are young and intelligent ,but fails to understand, fast they are getting old and one day die without any trace of existence. The yogis ,philosophers,seers ,saints and off course Ali Sina new this hard truth. For them Kumbh Mela is appropriate place to ponder/understand about the ultimate reality ( the existence beyond pain & pleasure ,heaven and hell).

  74. Agracean says:

    Mr Sakat, why don't you invite my dear Ms Dr Ali Sina and all the yogis, saints, seers, philosophers, gurus, dreamers, thinkers to the Dead Sea which is so much more better than the river ganga? I believe that many people will worship the Dead Sea much more than the river ganga after their first dip into it because they can float naturally on the water like a boat and many sick folks suffering from ailments such as psoriasis, rhinosinusitis, osteoarthritis, etc will definitely benefit from the dead sea water.

  75. Freedom for Humanity says:

    Sorry but i do not get it… Is this some tourist destination ad or what?

  76. Mr. Hardy says:

    haha..very smart! Watch this, gipsy Moth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXZwRHYiZvI

  77. Demsci says:

    "I'm not against death penalty for apostate. You are against death penalty because you are non-Muslim. "

    Even TAM, The American Muslim-website of Sheila Musaji, disagrees with you. The death-penalty for apostasy is denied often by Islam-apologists. Because they know how unfair it is, how it is against universal human rights, declared by the UN.

    how would you like it, when there was deathpenalty for apostasy among Christians, Hindus, Atheists etc, when believers in those convert INTO Islam? How can Muslims still be so shamelessly egoistic, one-sided, hypocritical? Why don't some Muslims understand how terribly unfair this is to their fellow humans with other faiths, who themselves treat Muslims much more fair?

    and any way, the deathpenalty for apostasy is perhaps also detrimental and denigrating to Muslims themselves. Would Muslims not like to think that their religion was consciously chosen by their believers because it was the best religion? And that those in it LIKE to stay in it? And also that those in it stay within the clear guiding lines of Islam and not in multiple small disagreement with it? But in the present situation anybody can say (s)he is a Muslim and disagree with what esteemed Islamic leaders declare and still not being kicked out, worse even the worst disagreeers with Islamic leaders are not allowed out!

    Don;t Muslims see that that means that when some of them speak about Islam, it makes their testimony well nigh WORTHLESS, because they could be speaking heresy and not being corrected by higher authority in Islam. Taliban, Ayatollahs and other "radical-extremist" Muslims constantly contradict moderate Islam-apologists and a child can understand that they can't both be right.

    But still Muslims like you ONLY try to correct anti-Islam-activists, who merely ECHO what their own brethren/ sisters openly declare. It is like mopping-swabbing the floor with the tap wide open, what you do. First you got to close the tap, meaning do something about your "radical-extremist" brethren/ sisters constant declarations and actions and distance yourself from them and join moderate democratic forces against them. If you don't you are simply untrustworthy.

  78. Demsci says:

    //"What Ahmed Rehab and Taliban are doing I'm totally agree with them."//

    But my point was that they do not agree with each other! And when YOU say that Muslims of the word have no truck with American Democracy you too differ in opinion with many "Muslims of the Word". Last week a Jordanian cleric openly said he was against democracy and many other clerics and Islamic leaders have said and still say the same. This is constantly reported on anti-Islam-websites and they rely on trustworthy media most of the time.

    Look, 9/11 was an attack on America by Osama Bin Laden, he bragged about it himself. Muslims erroneously believe in a conspiracy theory when they deny that. But since 9/11 there arose many anti-Islam (and NOT anti-Muslim!) activists, like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller etc.

    In reaction to these anti-Islam-activists then many "Islam-apologists" arose, of which you seem to be one. But under pressure of the anti-Islam-activists now finally some "Islam-apologists" admit that what the anti-Islam-activists say DOES MATCH with what so-called "extremist" or "radical" Muslims are declaring, advocating and practicing.

    So it is unfortunate that you, Peaceful-Islam, do not also admit that according to Islam-apologists the Taliban is wrong, and that Iran is wrong in persecuting apostates of Islam (they do say so on TheAmericanMuslim(TAM)-website.

    When you do not even distance yourself from those Muslims who are openly hostile, in often violent, oppressive ways, towards democracy and the spread of it in the Muslim world,

    then you show that what anti-Islam-activists are saying to the unsuspecting, fair-minded, naive Westerners and Indians, that it is the Islamic doctrine itself that is dangerous and threathening for their way of life. That is what YOU do then, deceivingly or ignorantly.

    Muslims like Ahmed Rehab finally understand this, they understand that it is their own Muslim brethren who are (fighting) against Westerners and Indians and their democratic system, and human rights, that say and do the same as anti-Islam-activists accuse them of and thus make the case of the anti-Islam-activists much stronger.

    So Islam-apologists, if they are to be credible, and not deceiving or ignorant, should reject these so-called "extremist, radical" Muslims, as clearly and often as possible and choose moderate Westerners and Indians and the democratic system over them.

  79. Freedom for Humanity says:

    Cheers Ali, as long as there are good people like you, whom are holding the torch of light, I am confident the anti-Islam movement will win the fight against this evil cult, and it WILL be eradicated soon. You are undeniably THE initiator and the real hero of this movement.

    I am from Egypt, and read several reports that indicate that more and more young people in my country are turning apostates. It is thanks to the internet that these young souls are – little by little – discovering the truth…

    PS: It seems that the necrophilia issue was mentioned only once by a salafi PM then he was shut down for fear of bad publicity (especially in the west). However, the law did not pass. BUT, on the other hand, in the new constitution, no minimum age restriction has been set for girls, the clause that forbids trading in humans has been omitted (it existed in the pre-revolution constitution of 1973), and the same thing happened to the clause that mentioned that men and women have equal rights. In all such instances, the respected PM's from the Islamic camp have insisted on mentioning that "Shari'a Law would be the ultimate reference" … So, I let you guess what the type of laws will stem out of this constitution.

  80. Peaceful_Islam says:


    //And Ahmed Rehab, of CAIR, has started the ad-campaign "MYJIHAD". For that he now explains that counterjihadists, like Robert Spencer, Pam Geller and so on, are saying the same things as radical Muslims, like the Taliban and the Ayatollahs, say. And on TheAmericanMuslim I read an article openly condemning the deathpenalty of Youssef Abarkani solely for converting from Islam to Christianity. It was from a link provided by Shabeer on FFI. //
    What Ahmed Rehab and Taliban are doing I'm totally agree with them.They are practiced Muslims and they doing nothing wrong. But the media and American state spreading false about them. They are only following Quran and sunnah, except few .
    Remember How bush blamed Innocent Usama bin ladin and Taliban for 9/11.But now by the grace of Allah It is proved an inside Job. And due to this 9/11 people start consider Muslims as terrorists.
    I'm not against death penalty for apostate. You are against death penalty because you are non-Muslim.
    When one person or group transgresses their limits and violates the rights of others, Muslims have the right and the duty to "check" them and bring them back into line. There are several verses of the Qur'an that describe jihad in this manner. One example:
    "And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
    the earth would indeed be full of mischief;
    but Allah is full of Bounty to all the worlds"
    -Qur'an 2:251

    Islam never tolerates unprovoked aggression from its own side; Muslims are commanded in the Qur'an not to begin hostilities, embark on any act of aggression, violate the rights of others, or harm the innocent. Even hurting or destroying animals or trees is forbidden. War is waged only to defend the religious community against oppression and persecution, because the Qur'an says that "persecution is worse than slaughter" and "let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Qur'an 2:190-193). Therefore, if non-Muslims are peaceful or indifferent to Islam, there is no justified reason to declare war on them.

    //If bad actions and attitudes of Muslims can be blamed on "culture" and not on Islam, by the same token good acts and attitudes of Muslims can be attributed to "culture", especially the Western Enlightenment or the Indian Hindu culture, and not to Islam. And so Western and Indian culture can be PRAISED and not Islam for many good actions and attitudes of Muslims.

    If bad actions and attitudes of Muslims can be attributed to anything but Islam, so their good actions and attitudes can too. And that would lead to the question; What good is Islam for anyway? If all of it's bad but also good influence can be attributed to anything but Islam?//
    Islam teaches peace,mercy and justice so,bad actions and attitudes can't be attributed to Islam.

    //Islam I and II are available and they can be studied comprehensively. And they are studied now extensively by counterjihadists, many of whom also understand Arabic very well. This is shown so much now on anti-Islam-websites, the links are also on FFI.
    In effect, the counterjihadists, like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, David Wood and many, many others, bring impressive evidence of the influence of Islamic doctrine on the perpetration of violent behavior of self-confessed Muslims. Their evidence, brought forth abundantly on anti-Islam-websites, is much more than just connecting Islam to violent misdeeds because of prejudice alone. //

    WRONG!It is clear. Here purpose of Ali is only to mock Islam. He would post every thing which is against Islam. Ali sina is doing nothing but spreading hatred. All anti Islam sites do that they deviate the verses of quran and Hadeeth. They explain Islam in their own wrong meaning. Because they want so. I'm Muslim. I have been reading Islam from my childhood. I know what is Islam really all about. Do you know why these counterjihadist learn Islam? First they decide, they have to prove Islam wrong and then start study Islam and many of them also learn Arabic to show the world that, they became ulama and mufti and to impress other people, Muslims of weak imaan and less knowledge and all non Muslims start believe in their lies.
    //Parts of Islam's most important guiding texts and tafsir seems to run counter to democracy and democratic laws, for example with it's unequal treatment before the law of women in relation to men and religious minorities in relation to Muslims. //

    Actually they are not against democracy of America. What democratic laws are applied in west, Muslims of the word are not against these, They have no truck with American democracy. Muslims only counter to all such decrees and actions of America which it issue and perform respectively on Muslims countries to destroy them, Such as drone attacks, America do all this in hypocrisy which is actually hated by Muslims.

    🙂 Peace 🙂

  81. Abdul says:

    You need to repeat the read from Phase-1 and Phase-2 posts if the message conveyed is not clear.

  82. Joe says:


    once again.. "Why do you put mohammad above God"? .. Islam is shirk?

  83. Danielle says:

    Thank you, Sakat 🙂

  84. Sakat says:

    Hey !Naughty!, i don't have any complaint about genuine expression of once opinion ,yes i do have some time ,when i feel it is pseudo-comment.Now smile,take care!!!.

  85. Demsci says:

    And if it seems to you unreasonable to connect the violent actions and anti-democratic attitudes to Islam-I, Islam's holy texts, and Islam-II, the interpretation of Islamic experts, the Tafsirs, so when Islam is BLAMED for what Muslims do, then by the same token …

    It also can be doubted that there is influence from Islam-I and II on the attitudes and actions of Muslims when they are good. When Muslims, and others, PRAISE Islam, for what Muslims do. By the same token it can be said that all the other humans often do those same good deeds, have those same good attitudes, without the influence of Islam. That all beneficial characteristics of Islam are also present as good or better in other beliefsystems.

    If bad actions and attitudes of Muslims can be blamed on "culture" and not on Islam, by the same token good acts and attitudes of Muslims can be attributed to "culture", especially the Western Enlightenment or the Indian Hindu culture, and not to Islam. And so Western and Indian culture can be PRAISED and not Islam for many good actions and attitudes of Muslims.

    If bad actions and attitudes of Muslims can be attributed to anything but Islam, so their good actions and attitudes can too. And that would lead to the question; What good is Islam for anyway? If all of it's bad but also good influence can be attributed to anything but Islam?

  86. Demsci says:

    And Ahmed Rehab, of CAIR, has started the ad-campaign "MYJIHAD". For that he now explains that counterjihadists, like Robert Spencer, Pam Geller and so on, are saying the same things as radical Muslims, like the Taliban and the Ayatollahs, say. And on TheAmericanMuslim I read an article openly condemning the deathpenalty of Youssef Abarkani solely for converting from Islam to Christianity. It was from a link provided by Shabeer on FFI.

    So at least a portion of Muslims finally admit that what counterjihadists say is also said by another portion of Muslims. Who openly disagree with Ahmed Rehab about what Jihad is about, or perhaps declare that there are more Jihads than one, and then they declare that fighting infidels in favor of Islam-supremacy, is more important than the Jihad Rehab talks about. It is all explained on Jihad Watch these last few days. For example; of the mentions of Jihad in Quran-Hadiths-Sira 98 % is relative to warfare-jihad in favor of Islam-supremacy.

    All of this means that Muslims should not act so surprised all the time when counterjihadists connect violent actions of Muslims to Islam I and II; texts and tafsirs.

    Instead they should acknowledge that there are many different interpretations of Islam I possible, because of it's ambiguity, vagueness, incompleteness. And that it is only logical that counterjihadists denounce the worst interpretations of it. Worst interpretations that are told to the world by BOTH counterjihadists AND radical Muslims themselves, from out of their strongholds in Islamic countries, like Pakistan, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia, even this week by a cleric from Jordan, who says Democracy is incompatible with the so-called "divine shariah-laws"! Or even from Britain, where Anjem Choudhary and his allies for a long time have said the same thing.

    Now, do you understand why counterjihadists make this connection between violent and anti-democratic deeds and attitudes by self-confessed Muslims and Islam I + II?

  87. Demsci says:

    "What I don't understand is why people blame religion on the act of few people. "
    "When ever something happens people go and blame the religion instead of the people?"
    "Think! think you might stop criticizing other peoples religion and focus on the people themselves. "

    Response: First of all, there do exist Islam I, II, III said Ibn Warraq. Islam I then is Quran-Hadiths-Sira, the existing most important guiding texts of Islam. Islam II are about the Tafsir and Shariah, and about Shafi-Hanafi-Hanbali-Malike, Islam's theological "schools of thought". Islam-III is how I and II are interpreted and practiced, by all Muslims, and this is endlessly varied.

    Islam I and II are available and they can be studied comprehensively. And they are studied now extensively by counterjihadists, many of whom also understand Arabic very well. This is shown so much now on anti-Islam-websites, the links are also on FFI.

    Parts of Islam's most important guiding texts and tafsir seems to run counter to democracy and democratic laws, for example with it's unequal treatment before the law of women in relation to men and religious minorities in relation to Muslims.

    This is openly declared too by many Muslims. And apparently many Muslims are indeed very hostile to democratic America, democratic West.

    And also when Muslims perpetrate violent actions, it is often they themselves or their organisation that declares why and then it is often said that it was because of the doctrine of Islam.

    Counterjihadists of Answering Muslims have pointed towards "Reliance of the Traveler", it is an important "Tafsir" from Al Azhar-university in Cairo, where it made an exception for deathpenalty for murder in the case of parents killing their children for continuing to "spread mischief in the land". They are allowed to kill under certain circumstances!

    And so these counterjihadists have connected the fact that 91 % of honour-related violence of parents on, mostly, their daughters, with this guide "reliance of the Traveler" and other texts and tafsirs.

    In effect, the counterjihadists, like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, David Wood and many, many others, bring impressive evidence of the influence of Islamic doctrine on the perpetration of violent behavior of self-confessed Muslims. Their evidence, brought forth abundantly on anti-Islam-websites, is much more than just connecting Islam to violent misdeeds because of prejudice alone.

  88. Peaceful_Islam says:

    //You quote the words of Mohammad as if they are special? //

    I have quoted the words of Allah, And yes the whole Quran the book of our creator is Special..

    //how special can they be when even muslim argue and kill each other over the words of the quran?//
    What I don't understand is why people blame religion on the act of few people. When people beat and kill their own kids and there is gang shooting everyday and several drug problems in everyday life people don't go and blame it on the religion then why on Muslims? When ever something happens people go and blame the religion instead of the people?
    And yeah people all over the world wont be doing this without a reason their is always another part of the story which of course media doesn't show. Try to realize and understand what people might be going through what suffering other people might be giving that would persuade them to take these action. Think! think you might stop criticizing other peoples religion and focus on the people themselves.

    //surely the words of God would be perfect and bring perfect peace//

    The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; Brother you would know if you read the Holy Quran yourself.
    A Hadith states: A Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands people are safe. One of the attributes of God described in the Quran is ‘As-Salam’, which means peace and security.’ That is to say that God’s Being itself is a manifestation of peace. Indeed, God is Peace (Al-Bukhari). In the Quran divine guidance is likened to the paths of peace. (5:16)

  89. Abdul says:

    In my Phase-1 main post above, Question # 1 asked to Sina is self-explanatory answer to the question you have asked.
    In my Phase-2 post above, Part-12 comment to Sina is self-explanatory answer to the question you have asked.

  90. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Danielle , this is I am your dear Muslim who you should address above comment ! I am the same who initiated this process ,presented fallacy to question the authenticity and limitation of logic, the same who explored blogger's methods, the same who called hate monger, egghead and dumb head.

    Agracean is egghead who think subject is related with sex. Process initiated as focus on brain functions later moved to different stages.

    Process is not debate. Its not winning loosing situation but have core collective effect to reach goal !

  91. Sakat says:

    Dear Sina, I extend my sincere invitation to the congregation of spiritual assembly of saints ,yogis and adepts of Himalayas popularly known as "Kumbha Mela "in India,which will begin from tomorrow the 14 Jan and remains till 17th March 2013. Maha Kumbh 2013 is a religious and cultural event, which occurs once in 12 years. It is a lifetime opportunity for all to be a part of this mega congregation of saints, seers, philosophers, gurus, preachers, disciples, culture, religion and visitors. More details can be accessed by visiting the website of Kumbh Mela at kumbhallahabad2013.com
    The best way to get an experience of what Kumbh Mela is like; one has to be a part of it. What better than being close to the Mela, at Kumbh Village, and enjoying spiritual and congenial environment. Spread over 125,000 sq. ft of area close to this mega religious congregation, Kumbh Village houses 90 cottages, both deluxe, semideluxe and dormitory along with a dining hall to accommodate 150 persons, a business centre, a recreation hall, travel agency, a mini shopping area, and free space to relax and enjoy the Kumbh Mela in totality.
    . A 24 hour security arrangement ensures that you and your belongings are safe .
    Dedicated Boats to ferry the guests to Sangam (Confluence of Holy Rivers) is available on prevailing rates. The guests would be able to get the boats very close to the Kumbh Village.

    It is the power of faith that can part a river, move mountains, and endure the hardships that come bundled up for being an integral part of Kumbh Mela, a congregation of millions, gathered together to be freed from the vicious earthly cycle of life and death and move towards a heavenly realm, which knows no suffering or pain. It's the mythological history of India and the sacred religious texts that bind us carnal souls to an eternal hope – things will be better, without the ever-imminent fear of them getting worse that cripples us here. "An eternal life free of sins" is the promise that comes attached with the magnificent event of Kumbh Mela. It's a promise to which millions want to be bound with, and it is this promise that has made Kumbh Mela what it is today.

    Legend has it that in the mythological times, during a waging war between the demigods and demons for the possession of elixir of eternal life, a few drops of it had fallen on to four places that are today known as Prayag, Haridwar, Ujjain, and Nasik. It is believed that these drops gave mystical powers to these places. It is to make oneself gain on those powers that Kumbh Mela has been celebrated in each of the four places since long as one can remember. The normal Kumbh Mela is held every 3 years, the Ardh (half) Kumbh Mela is held every six years at Haridwar and Allahabad (Prayag) while the Purna (complete) Kumbh mela takes place every twelve years, at four places Prayag (Allahabad), Haridwar, Ujjain, and Nashik, based on planetary movements. The Maha Kumbh Mela is celebrated at Prayag after 144 years (after 12 'Purna Kumbh Melas').

    Depending on what position the Sun, Moon, and Jupiter hold in that period in different zodiac signs, the venue for Kumbh Mela is decided. The calculations have been provided below for information:

    Kumbh Mela at Allahabad
    when Jupiter is in Aries or Taurus and Sun and Moon are in Capricorn during the Hindu month of Magha (January-February).

    Kumbh Mela at Haridwar
    when Jupiter is in Aquarius and Sun is in Aries during the Hindu month of Chaitra (March-April).

    Kumbh Mela at Ujjain
    when Jupiter is in Leo and Sun is in Aries, or when all three are in Libra during the Hindu month of Vaisakha (April-May).
    You can also meet many Hollywood actors/actresses, scientist ,great saints of Himalayas ,philosophers,thinkers etc during this Kumbha Mela.

  92. Mr. Hardy says:

    @ (.)
    This is a waste of precious time. They are playing a dirty game and they are aware of it,
    and they are pathological too, so they cannot be reasoned with. Then, they have to be dealt
    with by displaying their ugliness.

  93. MoMahmoth says:

    you means westernphobes? or democracyphobes? or judeochristianphobes? or JEWSPHOBES?

  94. Joe says:

    sorry Abdul,

    I though you do not believe this.. But many people here wish to show you the truth..

    Maybe we believe in God but you believe in Mohammad..

    I choose God.. mohammad is what?

  95. Danielle says:

    As a footnote, this thread has to be read in conjunction with all my comments in Ms Agracean's thread "Dear Mr Abdul, I'm curious to know how do you masterbate with your own brain?" in order to make sense.

  96. Joe says:

    easy = Mohammad

  97. Danielle says:

    I'd rather lose the chess and win the guys, Sakat.

    Have a good day! 🙂

  98. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    No eggheads please ! Must have ability to prove on any platform !

    Narcissistic personality disorder and Pedophilia.

    Any one ?

  99. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    lol keep dreaming if this bring you sense of well being !!!

    You are smashed and your allegations are destroyed already !

  100. Sakat says:

    You played a wonderful chess simultaneously with three guy's and, lo all ran away half way fearing clean defeat,i liked your unpalatable culinary for these guy's. It was an excellent relay of precision, keep it up.

  101. Sakat says:

    Sniper shot thumbs up!!!! Ali.

  102. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 17):

    (15) The signals that emanate from the articles and books that are being churned by FF.org aka SPL.org indicate that Sina and his sadist allied collaborators are primarily among i-plotters, evangelists and etc. gene types.

    What Sina and his sadist allied collaborators have plotted to achieve will end up baiting addicts
    visiting FF.org aka SPL.org to engage in masturbation with their brains. This will make their brains stale and impotent due to continuous fighting with their own brains, eventually leading to terminal degenerative diseases of the body. This is no fun. Addicts engaged in this plotted mission need to be cognizant of this fact.

  103. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 16):
    (13) What Sina and his sadist allied collaborators are doing is exactly same as what the Talibans, Boko Harams and Timbuktu's religions bigots & thugs are doing. Both groups use every trick of their trade to spread mayhem and bloodshed. Both these groups will get the exact opposite results of the goals they have plotted to achieve.

    (14) Given the fact that Sina, the CEO of FF . org engages in lies, doctoring of his post contents and books based on evolving opportunities, uses false name to indicate his so called ex-religion and practises deception by breaking his own organisations commandments (uncovered in Part-1 to Part-15 of the posts above) its fair to ask a question as to why don't they all change their organizations name from FF.org to SlanderesPlottersLiars . org (SPL . org)

  104. chuck says:

    Joe, I understand his dillema. But there is no harm in giving him/her a long rope. (S)he can either use the rope to pull her/him-self out or get hanged with it!!

  105. chuck says:

    This is a red herring. What basically you are saying is that this verse says, I won't show any proof since you can negate it, but I have the proof though you can't see it.

  106. Joe says:

    You quote the words of Mohammad as if they are special?

    how special can they be when even muslim argue and kill each other over the words of the quran? surely the words of God would be perfect and bring perfect peace.

    But the quran brings war, just like mohammad brought death.. and you put mohammad before god.. i feel sorry for you

  107. Peaceful_Islam says:

    58. And indeed We have set forth for mankind, in this Qur'an every kind of parable. But if you (O Muhammad ) bring to them any sign or proof, , the disbelievers are sure to say (to the believers): "You follow nothing but falsehood, and magic."AL-Quran 30:58

    Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who know not [the proofs and evidence of the Oneness of Allah i.e. those who try not to understand true facts that which you (Muhammad ) have brought to them].Al Quran 30:59

  108. Joe says:


    you are trying to reason with a person that can not tell the difference between a girl and a woman.. just because a girl bleeds does not make her a woman an equal or a partner in life..

    Would the motivation for this lack of understanding be that of the "Dick".. a man driven by his urges than than interlect? how could a person without interlect recognize in an animal what he himself does not have?

  109. Joe says:

    I feel sorry for you .. your put your mohammad above God and wonder why all the problems you face.

    You judge and kill people based on what mohammad wrote.. and you think this is from God?

    you have time to save your life and that of your family.. how stupid to waste the life gave you to follow mohammad! a man that started over hundred wars, a man that took slaves, a man that raped women.. a "man"? that took a 8 yo for a wife so he could have sex with her! wake up

  110. Ali says:

    Some things really don't change on here.

    Same schit, just a different day.

    The Islamophobes really must find a new hobby.

  111. chuck says:

    ha ha ha. Continuation of last sentence!! Here is your first sentence "Do you know can't divide by zero is not divide by zero its actually divide by null ". Is this even a meaningful sentence. YOU are a hate monger so you suffer from not seeing the truth. And the truth is you have been falsified. Falsified on 2 counts of algebra and 1 count each of psychology and moral relativism.

    Same thing you hate mongers do with people pointing out evils in your scriptures Its called self denial and calling the kettle black, right !

  112. chuck says:

    "Stop playing with words lol survey based claims are not valid proofs. "
    If you say their conclusions aren't valid you have to give the proof. Off course you don't have a proof against it, and off course you even don't have a proof in support of your conjecture that Muhammad's consummating with marriage with Aisha doesn't amount to pedophilia as we understand the term today. I am at least giving you data, which with justification you might like to disprove, while you are just passing your verdict wihtout any proof, evidence or even data. I even accepted your donkey-horse theorem and told you what would be the requirements from me in order to reject it.

  113. Danielle says:

    And finally, Mr Aminthemystic,

    As there is nothing much more I can learn from you except to see how you had made yourself a lovesick fool, I don't see any point replying to you, except unless you make sense.

    In closing, let me clarify a few points:

    (1) The first line of this article is already offensive and abusive. Mr Abdul criticise the blogger Dr Ali Sina' s thinking as 'Masterbating with one's own brain.' Do you like people to use that word on you? No? Then, don't use on other people. We are human beings too, you know. We can bleed like you and we can hurt like you.

    (2) If you don't find it offensive for Mr Abdul to use it on others, and you also use the word yourselves, then you yourselves endorse it, 'legalise' it here. So, when participants like me use it here to you, why should you feel offended and call me abusive for that? Because it hurts? If so, then why hurt others with it? Are you practising double standards?

    (3) To further insult the blogger, you tried to explain how masterbation of the brain is done, and you go as far as using mathematical proofs to demonstrate how. That is so …….!!! (don't have a word for it)

    (4) What's more, you make a mockery of yourselves using this mathematical fallacy.

    If you could prove why it is a fallacy, i would have respected your logic, however i can never respect your intention, which is to use it to insult someone's else's (the blogger) thinking process.

    Now, you couldn't understand why it is a fallacy. You simply produce it but you don't understand why 2=1. Let me try, though I hope I wouldn't get trashed so bad like Chuck was/is. But I am generally thick-skinned so I will be fine:

    – Firstly it is based on the assumption that x and y are both variables. You didn't qualify yourself properly. You need to state your assumptions or premises.

    – But then if you have done so, the whole process is still absurdity. Suppose you say "if x=y" and after several steps, you arrive at, say, two solutions x=y or x=2y. Now, the assumption upon this exercise will have to hold true. So you will have to disqualify the second answer x=2y because it contradicts your assumptions. Which leaves you with only the answer x=y, the only statement  that you set out in the beginning. So, essentially there is nothing to prove here.

    – I agree with Chuck that you can't divide both sides by zero. It is not permissible. Instead, you could bring all terms to one side and factorize. But if you were to do so, as Mr Amin you had done, you will get 0 equals 0. I asked you: so, who is right? But you kept silent. And called me Julia, laughing away. But why does this proof fails even if you don't divide by 0? Because if 3 = 3, then 3 – 3 = 0 which gives 0 = 0, and so there is really nothing to prove at all, again.

    – This is because it was already set as an Identity.

    – Had i said if x = y where x is a logarithmic function, or any types of functions for that matter, including modulus functions, then, I will be able to derive or 'prove' x or y to be something. Then I can prove, for instance "therefore x =  3". This is because I am not playing with a set of identities but i have an equation instead. Identities cannot be used to prove anything other than itself. It is a pointless attempt.

    (5) Why do you want to do this? To prove how others masterbate with their minds? The term implies so much insult, as you had felt when i used it on you many times over. How did it feel when i insulted you? Then do you feel very happy to tear others down? I insulted you calling you morons and you were so upset. So you guys insulted me back by calling me egg head or dumb head. Don't you think all these have to end somehow?

    (6) We can't explain anything at all to you. If we try, or if I try, anything I said, is crazy or bullcrap. Anything i say is to hurt or harm you. And I will get virtually beaten and spit upon. On whichever platform – Math, Anthropology, Etc. Any platform. But what about the math statements that i had explained above: did I harm you? Are you going to beat me down and spit on me?

    Amin, I hope i have answered you. And by answering this math question, i have also established that i am not Julia (because according to you, Julia is not good at math?). Moreover, I wish to add, I was and still am very angry at the amount of insults you heap on others. I am not the only one called egghead. Chuck was called dumbhead and all sorts of names. Are we really dumber than you???

    I am Danielle and I still love comedies. I will still LOLOLOLOL if I find logic absent and reasoning absurd. This much I can assure you.

    But can you assure me anything? That you can be logical and reasonable with others who are different from you? On any platform?

  114. Danielle says:


  115. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    This is hate monger's basic problem . Were we talking about playing guitar ? We were talking about division by null. This sentence you picked up which was in continuation with last sentence !!!

    Same thing you hate mongers do with scriptures Its call cherry picking right !

  116. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Stop playing with words lol survey based claims are not valid proofs.

    Pedophilia is your allegation I have nothing to do with coz I have plenty of reasons with belief to understand about relationship.

    Your allegation had been scummed to death as you didn't proved allegation with valid proofs.


  117. Danielle says:

    My bad. The above amended post should read "For the mystic guy, he is smarter. FOR AN ENTIRE 6 DAYS, he knows it is incorrect but he won't correct his brother yet he wont defend him either"

  118. Danielle says:

    *If you wish to call me Julia …. I CAN'T control that.

  119. chuck says:

    So you are saying you don't have any proof. Thanks for the confirmation.

    If you claim that donkeys are wiser than horses and back it up with a formal survey, and I claim that one specific horse is wiser than this, it would my job to bring that horse. Your survey based claim would be admissible against that horse until I prove that the horse is an exception or I proof that the survey is erroneous. The same would be true for you in justifying that Aisha might have completed puberty by 9. See, you just want to side step your responsibility.

  120. Danielle says:

    (3) Now, you are careful  to post a lot of things in your above reply, other than simply only using hyena laughs. Well, it is a HUGE encouraging improvement from my point of view. A step forward, nevertheless. Keep up the efforts, dude! 

    But in between you STILL punctuated your reply with the the lovey dovey nonsense. If you decide you want to be delusional and call me by another name, I cant stop you. But please refrain from using disrespectful and mushy words to me, which you just did again. You said and I quote "You are JULIA …. My dear!" and "Well Julia my love!" and "Lots of love.". If you wish to call me Julia or Julie or Jasmine, I can control that. It just show you are delusional. But don't use "mydear" "my love" and "lots of love". I barely know you! I find your choice of words revolting!

    (4) Admin monitors this blog with their rules. If you want to blog here, abide by the rules. Otherwise don't come in here, use their facility, and then whine about and blame them. If you are not happy with them or their rules, find another blogging place to have a dialogue. Or just masterbate then. Your brothers Abdul and "2=1 logical algebra proof" guy both know how to, so get together with them, masterbate together and learn from one another instead.

    (5) If you have no respect for the Admin here, then I shall not continue to get them to help remove all your offensive remarks. 

    So be glad, I won't be reporting your posts. 

    Why should I continue to get Admin to erase every post you blow kisses at me? I am wasting my time, and wasting Admin's time. Let your posts be, then. I asked you to stop professing your love for me and you blatantly refuse to respect my request. Let all your posts show your disrespect, then. They also provide lots of comic relief, and I do enjoy comedies 😀

    PS: Julia, if you are reading this, let me tell you this is all very intriguing to me and I must meet you LOL!! It appears that we both post in the exact same manner, according to your 'beloved' over here LOLOLOLOL !!! I gathered you were blocked here so if I have time I shall pop over to your side and take a look at your posts. Cya 😀

  121. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminthemystic,

    (1) I might as well let you know that I had previously reported you to Admin for your comment to my post "Look at this dear muslims, …..".  That particular post of mine was dated before you started your 'blowing kisses at me-calling my darling- dearest Julia-lots of love-sweetie pie' bout of hysteria.

    Your comment was "Hello Julia!". It came only after you started your above-mentioned hysterics. It seemed to me that you found one previous post of mine and you commented 'Hello Julia!'. It made no sense to my original post at all !! It did not promote any discussion, and despite my previous requests to you not to do so, you still went ahead with it. You show no respect. You were harassing me.

    As mentioned, I reported you to Admin. Your comment was promptly removed. So you can't find it there now. But though you or anyone else can't locate it nor see it now, you cant tell people i am being nonsensical again. Because it did happen, and you yourself know I am telling the truth. The blogging records are there, whether accessible to anyone or not is a separate question.

    (2) Mr Aminthemystic, were/are you attempting to respond to my past and all future comments with "Hello Julia!"and whatnots? How can I post anything here in future? Do you find it difficult to enter into any logical discussions with someone who does not agree with you here and you will do anything to get him/her out of this blog?

  122. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminthemystic, 

    My comment has to be read in context of the 6 days period. If you had read my previous comments in sequence, you will realise I am speaking about the 6 days period, from the day I commented on your math proof to the day you answered my comments. 6 days. During this time, your brother proved '2=1" proudly to the whole world while others here are trying to correct him. He kicked and bit at those who teach him but you let him kicked and bit others, knowing he is wrong in his proof in the first place. But as long as he kicked and bit others, it's fine. It turns out you stood aside while he became a clown for all to see!

    Now, if you still need me to amend, then I can also do so:

    Partof my above post should read "For the mystic guy, he is smarter. FOR AN ENTIRE 6 DAYS, he knows it is incorrect yet he won't defend him either." and I stand corrected.

    Will this explain?

  123. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Normally donkeys are wiser than horses and they can load more ! This survey is conducted in jungle for 2 years ! ( Sorry we don't have anything logical to back it up )

    (copied from …) Are you denying these facts. Yes or No? If No, state your reasons, if Yes, then YOU have to proof !

    Gross stupidity !!!!!

    Allegation is rejected without any proof !

  124. chuck says:

    Let me see exactly what your wrote "Null is that value which give infinity " so infinity is the pre-requisite for your definition of NULL. Use your brains if you have one.

    "It's Null or NaN which is nonsense so we need to set arbitrary rules to protect our assumptions !"
    So are you saying that prohibition of division by 0 is an arbitrary rule? Define division and I will teach you why the rule isn't arbitrary. Tell me what do you understand by division in the algebraic, arithmetic, logical sense.

  125. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Dumb head means the person who is not using brain.I just want you to use that's it.

    live example :
    You said infinity isn't prerequisite for definition of null or zero or void where as I said its is divide by null so when you divide anything by null that give infinity. Did you use brain ? No ! so you are dumb-head !

    This thing I really like "Go bring me an infinity" for that I will call you egghead OK

    Human logic is based on pure assumptions. You are able to find values as nothing (null) , something , everything ( infinity ). When you accept existence of zero as integer and using it so it can't be nothing. It's Null or NaN which is nonsense so we need to set arbitrary rules to protect our assumptions !

  126. chuck says:

    You haven't read this "Normally age of start of puberty in girls is 11-12 and maturity of puberty is around 15. " and "To add to it the observed phenomenon that the average age of puberty had actually declined in the 20th and 21st century. ". Are you denying these facts. Yes or No? If No, state your reasons, if Yes, then YOU have to proof that Aisha was outside the realms of normalcy and had definitely completed puberty at or before 9 (5-6 years earlier than a normal girl today). In fact unless you prove otherwise these facts can be presented as evidences (they may be proven to be wrong but the onus of proof is on you, the claimant that Aisha might have completed puberty by 9)

  127. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Debatable part I put in parenthesis as we are not considering in earlier comment ! I haven't changed subject I recommend you should have good spectacles !

    Allegation is from you so prove puberty can't be at 9 yr old ! You haven't proved so I reject your allegation !

  128. chuck says:

    "Ok give me reference of any case of pedophilia……treatment ! "
    First answer why is that required, what would that establish?

    "or Prove if pedophilia is psychological or any disorder why it is being restricted to only one person and didn't show symptoms rest of life ? Just prove that was pedophilia like I said choose platform of your choice !"
    Because one is enough to establish the guilt.

    "Don't worry about me I keep lolling mostly when I am not sleeping ! "
    Thats apparent.

    "Prophet is multifaceted persona , a perfect blend of madness and methods, spiritual genius , governor , strategist , social reformer and most successful person in history of mankind. Don't worry about example he lived a practical life unlike some preachers who sat on dais and preached goodie goodie impractical system which eventually developed hypocritical dumb-heads !"
    OK. You mean indulging in pedophilia is part of praticeable activity today. Confirm.

  129. chuck says:

    "This is what I mean you are hate monger and wacko so you are pointing out crimes( whatever ) even if you are in mud of sins ! "
    Pointing out somebodies crime isn't hate mongering irrespective of whether the person himself is a criminal. You haven't read the full arguement or you don't have anything substantial against it.

    "you will know how dumb-head you are"
    You had been calling me names in many of your posts, are you then a hate monger by your above logic? Answer in Yes or No.

    "Do you know can't divide by zero is not divide by zero its actually divide by null ! Null is that value which give infinity "
    Just when I thought you can't get more foolish, you proved me wrong. Bravo. Go bring me an infinity.
    Infinity isn't an apriori requirement for the definition of 0 or null or void.
    "Coz of inconsistencies in logic related with real numbers that rule has been introduced !"
    and how is that pertinent to this question? Most rules are intoduced to ward of inconsistencies

  130. chuck says:

    Yet another straw man. First you say the age is debatable, now without any supporting proof you try to change the subject. Clever but not clever enough. Normally age of start of puberty in girls is 11-12 and maturity of puberty is around 15. There can be exceptions, deviations from normalcy, but then the onus is on you to proof that Aisha was one off or abnormal. There is absolutely no reason for a person to believe that Aisha had completed puberty by 9. To add to it the observed phenomenon that the average age of puberty had actually declined in the 20th and 21st century.

  131. Danielle says:

    LOLOLOLOL !!!!

  132. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Crap !!!!!!!!!!

    What you are calling moral relativism is extract of Mr Hardy's discussion . Improve your vision I said to Mr Hardy you are applying anthropological platform for your conclusion and statement confirmed anthropological reason behind fact ! I was not even said anything about prophet but ask to focus on psychological aspect !

    Ok give me reference of any case of pedophilia in world in past or present which transformed into ephebophilia after couple of years and get cured after couple of years without treatment !

    or Prove if pedophilia is psychological or any disorder why it is being restricted to only one person and didn't show symptoms rest of life ? Just prove that was pedophilia like I said choose platform of your choice !

    Prophet is multifaceted persona , a perfect blend of madness and methods, spiritual genius , governor , strategist , social reformer and most successful person in history of mankind. Don't worry about example he lived a practical life unlike some preachers who sat on dais and preached goodie goodie impractical system which eventually developed hypocritical dumb-heads !

    Don't worry about me I keep lolling mostly when I am not sleeping !

  133. Ali Sina says:

    Is your disk is broken Amin?

  134. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Prove age of puberty can't be 9 ( without debating actual age)

  135. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    This is what I mean you are hate monger and wacko so you are pointing out crimes( whatever ) even if you are in mud of sins !

    Try to understand this in same style of your language and you will know how dumb-head you are lol

    That make sense only hate monger is like to bitch about others without having upper hand in ethics , morality !

    You seems math genius lol What I have seen you are a stupid layman in math who have been taught you can't divide by zero so you are following ! ha ha ha

    Do you know can't divide by zero is not divide by zero its actually divide by null ! Null is that value which give infinity ! Coz of inconsistencies in logic related with real numbers that rule has been introduced ! That rule is arbitrary rule that set to limit its effects on the real number system. Properties of dividing by zero are set aside to be investigated later. This is not verified rule ! Dr. Anderson also tried possibility of divide by zero and called this as nonsense number nullity ! Division cannot be allowed when using real numbers(not expressions) Got it ? !

    Go smash your head in algebra, maths whatever your subjects ! My focus is not on algebra .My point is to prove without other platforms in any logic you can't rely on methods in any platform. This is how I approached allegations based on psychology, anthropology , morality . Not loosing focus on what is my primary motive should be here despite proving genius in anything !

  136. chuck says:

    //What crimes I committed ?and I am justifying ? Wacko !!!! Hate monger lol
    Do you even understood what I meant by this line: "I may be very bad, but it no way absolves you of the crimes you commit"? After Algebra, Maths and Logic, I have to suspect your English too it seems!!

  137. chuck says:

    Are you reading anything clearly or need glasses lol
    See point 2 above and your statement : "You applied unspoken rule of checking binomial vale before synthetic division in equation"
    You think checking the validity of an operation before doing is an unspoken rule!!!!

  138. chuck says:

    Lol and lots of it. You are now lolling. I have given you references, why don't you read these up. Don't you know that certain amount of research must have gone in establishing these? And those researchers who defined these for American Psychiatric Association must have done thorough physical check up and more. Off course you might want to dispute that too, but then again the burden of proof will be on you.
    As far as moral relativism is concerned it was your statement wasn't it that "Pedophilia was not a moral, social problem at that period of time." You seemed to be trying to protect your prophet from the scrutiny of modern morality which implies that your prophet can't be good example for mankind in this era.

    //Choose any platform you like !
    You choose psychology, I have given you references. Read them up and come back with proper logical refutations or counter them by proper diagnosises you might have experience of.

  139. chuck says:

    //Your pre-consideration of anything is not allowed
    But x = y is allowed, it is allowed to perform division in disputable conditions , you are hillarious!!
    Let me repeat you said Aisha's age at marriage is debatable. The onus of proof is on you not me. I can simply point to a Shahi Hadith. Muhammad had consummated that marriage when Aisha was 9. Again you can dispute that but you have to come out with proofs. Having sex with a girl before puberty is pedophilic.

  140. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You ever know diagnosis require thorough physical check up to confirm such mental disorder lol

    Go prove first it was pedophilia then we will talk about moral relativism or example . Choose any platform you like !

  141. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    What crimes I committed ?and I am justifying ? Wacko !!!! Hate monger lol

    Prove that was pedophilia first then argue ! Give proofs dumb head just don't call anything and ask people to believe its truth !

    Your pre-consideration of anything is not allowed. And sorry you are not valued as moral inspector for bitching about any other faith !

  142. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Are you reading anything clearly or need glasses lol
    Tell me where I called can't divide by 0 is unspoken rule ?!!!!!

  143. chuck says:

    Also sex and violence are not the only 2 things on which Islam is attacked. People also allege Islam isn't secular, it has no place for religious freedom as is evident in middle east countries and it is not in harmony with minorites like Ahemadiya in Pakistan, Hindus in B'desh, Bahais in Iran, Christians in Saudi Arabia.

    But lest we forget you were trying to judge pedophilia psychologically. Pedophilia isn't considered a psychological mental disorder by many people who have done research on this subject because of want of evidence. You can read Wildon and Cox (1983) or Howitt (1998). But remember this is about the pedophilic desire not the actual pedophilic act. However The American Psychiatric Association, 2000, clearly states "Individuals who have a pedophilic arousal pattern and act on these fantasies or urges with a child qualify for the diagnosis of pedophilia". As another researcher on this subject, Richard Green, says: "A person not distressed over the urges or fantasies and who just repeatedly masturbates to them has no disorder. But a person who is not distressed over them and has sexual contact with a child does have a mental disorder."

  144. chuck says:

    //Guide or example. But this not requisite for you to consider or prove. Hate mongers …..maladaptive gestures in the name of freedom.

    None of which matters. I may be very bad, but it no way absolves you of the crimes you commit. Merely calling somebody bad doesn't make you good. You have to be good on your own. Returning to the fact that you said that pedophilia wasn't a social mallice in Arabia in the 7th century aren't you implying moral relativism? Irrespective of the person involved in such acts, he can't be shown up as an example to follow to majority of people in this era. May be he was a good example for people of his era in his society, who could have looked up to some other attributes.

    Anybody who want to criticize a system, whether or not Islam, whether or not religious, would attack its perceived weaknesses. There is nothing wrong in that strategy (whether it is morally acceptable is a different debate). It is for the defenders of that system to explain why it is not a weakness.

  145. chuck says:

    Answer to your points:
    1. That you can't divide by 0 isn't an unspoken rule. Its simply not allowed.
    2. I haven't even assumed that I am going to disprove 1 = 2. You did a step (step no 5) of division. It is paramount to check whether that division is allowed IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome. In other words we need to see whether I can proceed further to step no 6. I didn't put any value to anything. You are just dreaming. I merely did a substitution based on YOUR HYPOTHESIS. The hypothesis isn't mine, the step isn't mine too, its your derivation, I am merely checking if I can move from step 5 to step 6 without any violations. And I find its not possible.

    3. Everyone knew you were wrong, that doesn't mean everyone knew that that you knew you were wrong. Thats an assumption from your side.

  146. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I read all your crap ! Where are you heading in discussion and for what I don't know !

    Let me be more clear
    1. You applied unspoken rule of checking binomial vale before synthetic division in equation( in your dream, not necessarily required in hypothesis as you are not certain about outcome) to support rule of divide by zero. If you want me not to talk about maths and logic you first learn there are plenty of unspoken rules being applied in algebra ( not my subject ).

    2. You know 2!=1 by simple arithmetic so you know result is wrong. So you applied those rule in algebra coz you can't rely on algebraic methods alone for conclusion (applicable to all logic and platforms)

    3. Everyone know that I knew I was wrong in both equations when cross verified with other platforms

    Guide or example. But this not requisite for you to consider or prove. Hate mongers have two major areas in criticizing Islam . "Sex and Violence" They skip everything else about Islam. Just living by example find who is leading in sex and violence in world.

    This is the arsenal of hate mongers against Islam morality , psychology , freedom . Funny part is that these hate mongers have low grade morality , screwed and scattered psychological society and rich in maladaptive gestures in the name of freedom.

  147. aminthemystic says:

    "I have explained, again and again, that I am not Julia. You do not know what you are talking about. "

    Yes I do . . . I have PROVED with evidence – you are Julia.

    The same expression – the same writing style . . . the same logic and tendency to abuse/insult.

    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck….

    – – –

    "You are plainly disrespectful to me. "


    Yet YOU started the ABUSE and LIES . . . . clear and open lies.

    Just like Julia!

    You are JULIA. . . . . My dear!

    – – –

    "Furthermore, you are not engaging in proper discussions, but using this method to dodge questions posted to you. "

    One cannot engage in PROPER discussion . . . . with you.

    You lack the capacity . . . . .

    Else why did you start insulting me for nothing?

    For merely pointing out . . . .you comments were bizarre and contained NO SUBSTANCE?

    – – –

    " I will report to the Admin, as well as publicly announce that I am reporting you to the Admin.

    Sure do so . . . . the same Admin who has LOT to explain . . . .

    For example YOUR continues abuse and lies and hate? And attempts at bullying. . .

    Not just a Julia . . . .but your current incarnation.

    You report to whomsoever you like.

    As for Sina. . . well he has his own questions to answer.

    – – –

    "In case your love for Julia overcomes you again, let me inform you once more: I am Danielle, and I enjoy comedies. "

    No you are NOT – you are Julia.

    How else do you explain you comments?

    Other than denials . . . NOT ONE LOGICAL explanation.

    As they say . . . DENIAL is no proof.

    – – –

    Well Julia my love!

    Lots of love!

  148. aminthemystic says:

    "But if they are not challenged, and exposed to the logical thinking processes and code of ethics of modern civilisations, what hope will they have? "

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha – what instant jump to abuse and lie?

    And baseless accusations?

    Ha ha – you do make me laugh. . . .

    Not only your history as Julia – but now your current form as Danielle. . .

    It is clear to ANYONE your abuse and insulting.

    As "Danyaal" pointed out.

    I didn't copy anything from you. . . . yet the accusations!

    So what logical thinking?

    Your comments are RIDICULOUS . . . and the only merit is to abuse other and nothing more.

    You simply PRETENDED you could understand the maths argument.

    – – –

    "For the mystic guy, he is smarter. He knows it is incorrect but he won't correct his brother yet he won't defend him either."

    See the easy lie. . . I did correct him!

    See how easily you lie!

    – – –

    Ha ha ha ha . . . .

    See the lies!

    Now do you have an answer. . . . why all the lying?

  149. Peaceful_Islam says:

    I'm feeling sorry for you kids(non-muslims). Day of judgement, Hell fire,.. ufff don't you fear.
    O! non muslim! death sees no age, no wealth , You have a time! You have a TIME to accept the truth. You have a time to Revert. You have a time to say,
    "ashadu ala ilah ha ilallah wa asyhadu anna muhammad dar rasulillah"
    I bear the witness that there is no God but Allaah, And I bear the witness that Mohammad(pbuh) is the messenger of Allah

  150. Danielle says:

    Dear Joe, ikr and I like your naughty pun there 😀

    But if they are not challenged, and exposed to the logical thinking processes and code of ethics of modern civilisations, what hope will they have?

    For the "2=1 logical algebra proof" guy, his logic is warped. He defends it at all cost, which cause him to make a fool to the world. I have stopped conversing with him. Talking logic to a fool makes me one.

    For the mystic guy, he is smarter. He knows it is incorrect but he won't correct his brother yet he won't defend him either. He just stand and watch while his bro turns into a clown. Then he started claiming I am someone and dodge all questions posted to him by running away under the cover of laughter and madness.

    What else is there for us except to sit back and watch the comedy? LOL

    Have a good day! 🙂

  151. Peaceful_Islam says:

    I'm feeling sorry for you kids(non-muslims). Day of judgement, Hell fire,.. ufff don't you fear.
    O! non muslim! death sees no age, no wealth , You have a time! You have a TIME to accept the truth. You have a time to Revert. You have a time to say,
    "ashadu ala ilah ha ilallah wa asyhadu anna muhammad dar rasulillah"
    I bear the witness that there is no God but Allaah, And I bear the witness that Mohammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah.

  152. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminthemystic, 

    I have explained, again and again, that I am not Julia. You do not know what you are talking about.

    Don't make a spectacle of yourself to everyone by laughing all over the blog sending your love, hugs and kisses and all. If you really miss Julia that much, sober up, go over to the other platform where I believe she is, and tell her so. 

    I do not think highly of men who keep telling stuff of this sorts to me, whether virtually or otherwise, especially if I have already implicitly and explicitly asked you to please don't.

    further attempts to comment on any of my posts with no substance but 'dearest', calling me darling, 'my dear' and 'Why so coy?' and 'hahahaha sweet dreams my dearest' and the likes will not be tolerated.

    The words you use to me: they disgust me. I say it again loud and clear: I DO NOT WISH TO RECEIVE ANY OF YOUR KISSES, HUGS, LOTS OF LOVE, AND WHATEVERELSE on this blog. SO STOP! You are plainly disrespectful to me. What you do here to my comments is tantamount to harassment

    Furthermore, you are not engaging in proper discussions, but using this method to dodge questions posted to you. 

    Whenever I come in here in future, and see my posts commented by you with nothing substantial but 'hahahahah darling' or anything to that effect, I will report to the Admin, as well as publicly announce that I am reporting you to the Admin.

    In case your love for Julia overcomes you again, let me inform you once more: I am Danielle, and I enjoy comedies.

  153. aminthemystic says:

    Continuing my exposition of Sina and especially of the book – I came across this review:

    This bit was interesting:

    " I find his book Understanding Muhammad to be very valuable. However, his idea of spending many pages on detailed discussions of what kind of mental or physical illnesses Muhammad did or did not suffer from was sometimes too technical for my taste. Sina's understanding of the nature of Islam is impeccable, and his writings should be considered required reading for those dealing with Islam in their everyday life. "

    It appears EVEN the reviewer did not bother to read the main argument of the book and made a convenient excuse for it.

    What did he review?

    Oh . . . Sina's views.

    One hate monger to another!

    And missed what the crux of the book was all about.

    – – –

    It seems there are so many versions of this book – what Fjordman reviewed and what Sina sent me are different text.

    Some of the things Fjordman quotes i could not find in his fourth edition!

    – – –

    More at:

    – – –

    Sian's defender at good at accusing others that they do not view Islam critically. Yet they themselves NEVER question their own views and thoughts . .. . and that of Sina and the like.

    Why preach something you do not practice?

    – – –

    His book is terrible.

    Anyone who has bothered to read it. . . . how about your views?

  154. chuck says:

    //can't restrict permissible methods!
    But you still have to check whether it is permissible!!

    //If there was no arithmetic you would have accepted 2=1.
    Isn't that typical of you to force your conclusion? Show me where I used arithmetic, which I guess what you mean by replacing y by x. A substitution isn't an arithmetic operation. Brush up or grow up.

    //And about algebra dig out any rule which restrict synthetic division.
    Synthetic Division is a method, it is restricted by every rule that guides division. It doesn't matter what method you use to perform a division. And where in your steps have you claimed that you are using Synthetic Division or Long Polynomial Division? You are merely using a Straw man here.

    //And your conclusion about prophet is nothing but pure hate mongering !
    Don't allege, prove. I used your words and what you implied when you say
    "Pedophilia was not a moral, social problem at that period of time." I am merely stating the implication of your statement when we consider the 'parameter' that Aisha was 6 when she was married of. It is not a question of theology at all. If 'guide' is what concerns you, you may replace it by 'example'.

    //Look at my comment I was in discussion with Mr Hardy about his posted video history of pedophilia
    Off course, but I wouldn't have commented if you hadn't unnecessarily brought in my name in that comment after you had been proved to be wrong in 2 examples in another thread. As I said earlier restrict yourself to what you know about, for example you can try to prove that Aisha wasn't 6 which you claim is debatable, but don't talk about Maths or Logic.

  155. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Problem is with you are blind ! Look at my comment I was in discussion with Mr Hardy about his posted video history of pedophilia ! morality can't be a universal parameter to judge anything as it differ from age to age region to region!

    And your conclusion about prophet is nothing but pure hate mongering ! This is a denial to accept without further investigation on different platforms whether it was pedophilia as psychological disorder or criminal act or anthropological reason or anything else ! ( we are not considering debatable actual age of Aisha(ra))

    Yes whenever guide is concern in a religion theology is involved !

    And about algebra dig out any rule which restrict synthetic division. You never know what could be value in hypothesis and can't restrict permissible methods! Why in logic we need to set rules coz you can't rely on methods in any logic ! If there was no arithmetic you would have accepted 2=1.

  156. aminthemystic says:

    See – the same saga continues. . .

    People like you and Danielle?Julia are good for this site.

    As you bring the level and tone down with your absurd and abusive comments.

    – – –

    You comment of support IS ridiculous and rather meaningless.

    As I have already pointed – the denial is entirely your.

    Could you respond?

    So far no.

    – – –

    It is rather OBVIOUS by looking at Julia/Danielle's post – he did not understand a word of Mathematics.

    And neither do you . . .

    – – –

    Rather than having a shred of decency – it is support of hatemonger to another

    And nothing more.

  157. Joe says:

    spoken like a true muslim.. Mr Hardy .. no no no is that all you have left? pretending?

  158. Joe says:

    i think the 24 hours are up by now,

    and i admire your resiolve to give this person the benefit of doubt.. although i suspect that he/she will not disappoint the expectation of denial..

    "Masterbating" .. hmmm ..i would rather not think about him/her in this way as it is a pathetic site to see the poor lonely him/her sitting alone in a room with no hope of haiving a real relationship with another person..

    There maybe hope.. atleast if infact this person had the courage to truly masterbate the body rather than a dellusional mind, they would infact cum closer to the realtity that our God created rather than a make believe world they currently live in

  159. aminthemystic says:

    Is it . . .. and denial of what exactly?

    Why don't I call you Julia?

    Simple . . .

    Because YOU are NOT Julia.

    The person calling herself – Danielle is.

    – – –

    If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quack likes a duck . . . its a duck.

    – – –

    Anyone comparing the logic, the writing style . . . would come to the conclusion that Julia is Danielle.

    Hence . . .

    Given the evidence . . . .

    And lack of an adequate and sensible response.

    YOU are the one in denial.

    – – –

    What proof do you have Julia is DEFINITELY not Julia.

    I have my proof.

    You may present yours.

  160. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …

    Lots and Lots and Lots of Love!

  161. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .

    Lots of Love!

  162. Joe says:

    hey.. why not call me Julia too

    you can call me sweet too ..

    your exercise of denial is amazing

  163. aminthemystic says:

    My sweetie pie! Oh daaaaarling

  164. aminthemystic says:

    Julia dearest!

  165. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha. . . .

    See the same "abuse"

    Something you could NOT hide . . .

    as well as your writing style.

    You are Julia.

    See – when you were Julia EVEN THEN you were posting under different names.

    BUT here is the *big hint*

    . . .

    Your posts match those of Julia.

    You could NOT hide it.

    – –

    Look how quickly you jumped to Insult and Abuse!

    And EVEN deployed the same logic to justify.

    If it walk like a duck, quack likes a duck, looks like a duck . . .

    It is a "?"

    – –

    Sweet dream, hugs and kisses . . .


  166. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha. . . . why so COY Julia daaaaarling!

    My sweet sweet Julia.

    – –

    You can pretend . . . but your words let you down. . . repeatedly.

    – –

    Obvious for your writing style and the way you jumped to be abusive.

    And the NONSENSICAL posts. . . .

    The pretense!

    Remember your Salah drama. . .

  167. aminthemystic says:

    Your name is Julia – you are NET TROLL – which is obvious from your posts and what you write.

    – – –

    You were previously banned for your abuse. . . eventually.

    It took me few posts to expose you again.

    – – –

    Yes I AM that clever. . . .not really.

    It is just that you were that easy. . .

    – – –

    Look how quickly you jumped to abuse me . . . .

    Ta dah!

  168. Mr. Hardy says:

    No no no….don't cheat. isa said if you reject my product, my daddy will fry your
    aasss in the fire of hell.

  169. chuck says:

    Thats plain foolish. You brought in the anthropological situation, not me (Just like it was YOU who did the division) and it was you who suggested "Pedophilia was not a moral, social problem at that period of time.". This calls for moral relativism. And since the subject is Mohammad, it implies that he can't serve as a guide today. This is not hate mongering, this is pointing what YOUR OWN point implies. No theology involved here.

    "You can't divide by 0 this is a rule but you can't have synthetic division is not a rule ! No lame attempts more please ! "
    Do you even know what Synthetic Division is? It is a METHOD not a PRINCIPLE of polynomial division. The rule still is f(x)/g(x) is invalid for ALL VALUES OF x for which g(x) is provably 0.

    You can talk of whatever platform you have knowledge about, but leave aside logic and algebra its evidently not your cup of tea.

  170. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminthemystic,

    you commented on my post and said and I quote "But this is pretty much nonsensical."

    I asked you to explain yourself, substantiate your criticism with constructive comments, tell us what was wrong with the entire proof that got 2=1 and which is correct 0=0 or 2=1, what was the biggest flaw of the whole process.

    You failed to do so. 

    Instead you basically did most of the things i predicted you would do ie you side-step all of my direct questions to you and addressed me by another lady's name. Oh i also realised you are capable of the "hyena laugh tactic" I mean just look at your posts to me, you type 'h' and 'a' repeatedly for soooo many times. I recommend you use LOLOLOLOL which means laughing out loud many times over. At least no one will think there is a hyena in this blog. So, instead of answering directly, your response/escape plan is to laugh hysterically all the way through calling out Julia's name and blowing kisses to her. Are you insane????

    Don't start with me on modulus. If you cant handle elementary school math, you are not capable of handling middle school math. And yes I call you a LIAR and a THIEF because you had the benefits of reading my posts first, then you turn around and try to use my own words on me! IS IT THAT IMPORTANT TO PUT OTHERS DOWN??? I HAD ALREADY POSTED MY POINTS AND LEFT THE 2=1 CONVO!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU???

    BUT was there really anything wrong with my first comment???Are you sure you can perform operations on modulus???What if my comments make sense and I can show you how? But I won't bother if i can because you won't understand. Why? You can't answer my questions on elementary school math.

    In case you think that I did not explain what was fundamentally wrong with your 'logical proving' approach. You are wrong again. I DID EXPLAIN!  I wrote to the gentleman Chuck and he understood. But you did not. Why? Because your mind is not functioning logically. Yet when others point out, you bite and scratch at them like an animal. How are you capable of logical debate or argument? Seriously!


    And let me predict again. Firstly you have no tolerance for others and you are abusive so you wouldnt retract the word Masterbation. Then you will employ hyena tactic and start calling me Julia. Please don't blow kisses at me. I just ate my meal and showered. I dont want to puke or have to re-shower again. Thanks!

  171. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminthemystic,

    Your brother Abdul used the word masterbation and I quote "Sina, There is no fun in Masterbating with one's own brain." (Refer to top of page 1)

    Your another brother, from whom you were careful to stay faraway, by the Will of your god through your prophet – your brother the one who displayed "2=1 logical algebra proof" proudly to the entire world while you stayed away from him'' – he said and I quote "…masterbation related with the brain includes functionality of brain. Math algebra and equations are functionalities of brain!" (3 days ago)

    You use the word masterbate to describe Dr Ali Sina's thinking process. Are you not abusive? Where is your ability to tolerate people who have differing viewpoint from you?

    When I use the same word masterbate on you, you called me abusive and a bully. I am saying the exact same thing your "2=1 logical algebra proof" brother say! So your brother masterbates is okay,  but when i use the word when i talk to you, its not okay. Why? Have you no sense of equality? Do you endorse anything and everything you do amongst your own kind, but do not respect others who disagree with you? Is this your social modus operandi when you deal with others who do not share your religion?

    If not, then show us that your religion teaches you mutual tolerance and how to get along with others 


    with APOLOGIES, 
    on behalf of all your brothers, including Abdul and the blank-blank-blank-blank-blank person



    Then I will also apologise to you for using such a word to you.

  172. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You can't divide by 0 this is a rule but you can't have synthetic division is not a rule ! No lame attempts more please !

    If you limit your hate mongering you will be able to read my last sentence I am not concerned about anthropological conclusion !

    Just don't make stupid attempts ! And this is not your headache to believe or not a guide ! We can switch to theological platform for finding a guide ! Lets focus on psychological now !

  173. Danielle says:

    Time's up. See above for post to Mr Mysticthewhatnot above.

  174. Danielle says:

    Time's up. Read main post to Mr Aminmysticalwhatnot above.

  175. Danielle says:

    Time's up. Read main post to Mr Mysticalwhatshisname above

  176. Danielle says:

    Time's up. Read main post to Mr Aminmystical above.

  177. Sakat says:

    Other day a 90 year old Arab married a 15 year old girl,it is different story, the girl did not entertained him to the bed room for consecutive 2 day's and on the third day she ran away.

  178. chuck says:

    Well, the rule isn't unspoken. It is a clear cut cast in stone, you can't divide by 0.
    About Pedophilia, on the anthropological platform, you are alluding to moral relativism. That being so, Mohammad can't be a guide FOR ALL TIMES.

  179. Guest says:

    This is the most masturbating brain question?

    (?) Why Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son?
    (?) Why the verses allowing Muhammad to do to his adopted son wives?

    Qur'an (33:37) – "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."

    Qur'an (33:50) – "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her– specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; "

    Qur'an (33:51) – "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased"

    (?) Why only Zaynab bint Khuzayma died as Muhammad's wives? it's look like someone need to shut up her from opening something bad!

    (?) Why Aisha said "your lord"? looks like Aisha uncertain with Muhammad god?
    Bukhari (60:311) – "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

    In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad (pub) (lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, – a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of allah..?

    Taken from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muham

  180. Joe says:

    the disorder occurs when islamofacists tell muslims to be like mohammad was over 14 years ago.. hurray lets turn back the clock

  181. ProudMe says:

    some update:

    momo said if you buy my products, you will be on peace and make sure we know you still and always use it, and if you die for my product, you will win a heavenly trip and get lottery 72 new brand beautiful car which will auto fix after you bump it thousand times. We know you like to bump it. if you complain my product, our customer "mojahide" service will come and FIX YOU FOR IT. If you reject, sale, or dump my product, our technician will give you a fast way to heavenly trip tickets.

    some kids ask their parents: Why we pray 5 times a day? the parents said momo like his subordinate wife/slave but he didn't want other know it so here comes a verse from heaven to pray 5 times, man on the temple and woman/slave inside their camp. and Momo like it , very like it so here comes 5 times a day and prayer must not wear anything on skin except one thin garment robe . One day, he get caught by one of subordinate and momo simply said here comes (again) a new verse that prophet deserve the rights to bump anyone he like it.
    And that is the story of 5 times / day. ahahaha. joke only.

  182. proudme says:

    There is 2 salesman. the first is momo, the second is isa.

    momo said if you buy my products, you will be on peace and make sure we know you still and always use it, and if you die for my product, you will win a heavenly trip and get lottery 72 new brand beautiful car which will auto fix after you bump it thousand times. if you complain my product, our customer "mojahide" service will come and FIX YOU FOR IT. If you reject, sale, or dump my product, our technician will give you a fast way to heavenly trip tickets.

    isa saidif you buy my product, you will be on peace whether you se it or not, if you complain my product, I myself will come and FIX IT FOR YOU. If you reject, sale, or dump my product, its ok, we will always hope that you can come back and use it FREE of CHARGE.

    know the differences??

  183. proudinfidels says:

    ****** is so biggreat, he run from time, he must be know pedophile become something bad on future isn't he? I never found other religion or other cult prophet do like this. only momo did! and if the arab region is populated by jew+christion+pagan tribe then ofcourse pedophilia was NOT
    something normal on that area. except momo raise ***** on dense jungle tribal canibal forest.

  184. proudtheinfidels says:

    The ex Moslem are motivated to help moslem. this ex moslem hate ***** but love moslem. They had been opened to know the wrongfully alphabet of *****. The knowledge is their light.

    Only ex moslem know how the moslem have become a zombie, brainwashed from early age, misinformation about other religion, grow to kill, honor killing, and such hateful action.

    When you sick, the first thing you should do is to realize that you are indeed sick. That is Sina challenge moslem to (1) READ, just read, and let the seed of knowledge (question mind) rose inside their heart. They will begin to (2) ASK QUESTION, did honor killing is true according koran? and from this question, rose action to (3) DO RESEARCH koran, you can learn the interpretation on any language at my site http://www.quran.com. (4) DEBATE clerics. and then become (5) a BRIDGE to Ali Sina vs the clerics on email debate. (6) LEARN OTHER RELIGION way.

    This six action is a challenge to open brainwashed moslem mind. (7) to DECIDE whether to remain as moslem or to join us as ex moslem and help save other middle east and Arabs.

    but i think only malay chicken, arabs camel and pakistan pigs that run away from this six challenge!!

  185. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .. keep at it.

    This is what you do . . . . bring the site down!

    Up the revolution!

  186. Danielle says:

    You are just wasting the 24 hours given to you. Tut tut tut ….

    You want to re-open the argument on math? I gave you lots of time. You have the time. Since my challenge to you till now, you have already came in here and posted 5 times. You can't turn around later and say I didn't give you enough time.

    So, focus! Do not be sidetracked to answer my questions. Tell me what is the biggest flaw of your brand of logic, why your brother and your answer differ yet he said his is logical. Tell us what you think of your logic why you are wrong but your brother is right. Kep your eyes on the ball.

    Masterbate your brain now. Focus on my challenge to you. Masterbate hard and fast. That is the exact same term your friend Mr Abdul and your brother used. And I am borrowing it to say to you.

    Why? You find using such a word 'MASTERBATE' abusive? You find Abdul and your blank blank brother abusive by using such a word? When you use it on others unlike you, it is allowed. When others use it on you, it is abuse.

    Criticise others? Back it up with logic? Do you have any? Any output from your masterbation yet?

    You have ……erm let me see ….. 10 hours 11 mins left.

  187. aminthemystic says:

    It is NOT just your comments. .. . . . ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Oh – I have NOT laughed this loud for ages.

    I welcome you here . . . . YOU make this site into a farce!

    Well done.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …

  188. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .

    And how do you explain all the rest?

    The smiley faces

    The OMG's

    The !!!'s

    The rudeness and willingness to insult. . . .

    The nonsensical comments and pretense?

    – – –

    You are Julia. End of.

  189. Danielle says:

    I teach 9 years old who are kids for a living. I pop by here during tea breaks for comic relief. Your brother, from whom you were careful to stay far away for 6 days, while he was struggling to prove to the entire world his 'logical' math statements, was thinking worse than my 9 year olds in class. Thus my use of 'poor kid'. Geddit?

    He was trying soooo hard masterbating, like what Mr Abdul first used such a term, until it is rubbed raw yet no logic could come out of it.

    You miss your deadline by end of 24 hours, you show us all you are no better.

    10 hours 43 mins left. My clock on my desk is keeping track. Don't you fool around with me.

  190. aminthemystic says:

    Julia dearest . . . ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . . .

    This made me laugh even harder. . . .

    "Stop your nonsense and start backing up your refute of my post. Back it up with reason. "

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .

    Why do bullies always behave the same way?

  191. Danielle says:

    Nope, still garb.

    You want to criticise my comments as nonsense? Back it up with reason. And address my concerns point by point. Go on! Masterbate, like your friend Abdul first used the term on Ali, and your brother who gave the world a great insight how to masterbate his brain which he also so painfully explained how it is done. Come on! Do what they said. Masterbate! You are wasting time.

    11 hours 1 minute left.

  192. Danielle says:

    11 hours 8 mins left.

    Stop your nonsense and start backing up your refute of my post. Back it up with reason.

    Oops! 11 hours 7 mins left now. Better hurry.

  193. Danielle says:

    Well, Joe, you are right about THIS error in my logic. Sigh!

    However I have given my word. So 24 hours it shall be. There is only 11 hours and 12 minutes to wait. I shall hope, against all hope, to see a shred of logic in his 'reasonable' mind.

    Look, look! he was attempting to blow kisses at me thinking I am his 'sweet heart' while masterbating. Eugh!

  194. Danielle says:

    Thank you, Joe.

    Have a good morning! 🙂

  195. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha . . . . yet NOT one of you is able to er um hold up an argument.

    That isn't full of lies.

    – – –

    Sina your Master is the same way . . . .

    For example – he copied and pasted something from Wikipedia into his horrendous book and claimed it as his own words. . . .

    – – –

    See – actual answer to an argument – that is SO beyond you . . .

    Then you attempt to abuse he arguer. . .

    But that is being illogical!

    The very definition of it.

  196. aminthemystic says:

    "Poor kid. "

    So why are you using phrases from er … umm . . . Julia – if you are NOT Julia?

    – – –

    And as for abusing the arguer in order to answer the argument.

    – – –

    It is ABUNDANTLY clear you don't what the hell you are talking about the actual Maths.

    – – – –

    Rest is the usual shit Julia produces.

    – – – –

    Well dearest. . . I hope this isn't another brief visit!

  197. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha . . . yes you do.

    Julia, my angel. . . . why so coy?

  198. aminthemystic says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha hello Julia.

    See you could not even disguise yourself.

    Same love of caps and swearing . . . . .

    – – –

    And meaningless rants.

    Carry on dear.

    – – –



    No one stole ANYTHING from you.

    There isn't ANYTHING worth stealing from you dearest.

    Yawn! Well Sweet Heart. . . . go to dash.



    Welcome back.

  199. aminthemystic says:

    You are Julia . . . the same style. Who is fooled . . . no one.

    The same absurd Julia. . . the troll.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  200. Joe says:


    Uploaded on May 10, 2007

    According to Al-Jazeerah's interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.

    Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.

    Listen the Full Interview

    English transcript
    http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?… 060bace70d241f606851b3f02fab875


  201. Joe says:

    Dear Danielle

    you have an error in your Logic!

    That is you are expecting sane Logic from people that have the insane belief that a man (Mo) who kills, starts wars, takes slaves and tortures people is somehow a man of God?

    Sorry, but expecting sanity while it is admirable, is probably not going to happen with the like of the “nameless”

  202. Joe says:

    Jesus and Buddha and true prophets understand that the only thing that God understands is our Love.

    money is of man and only of limited value even to man. money can not buy us a life for example.

    The teachings of Jesus bring us together to love God and Love each other, even our enemies.. If only we could understand this we would have paradise here on earth

  203. Danielle says:

    LOLLOLOL. You are just as astoundingly disillusioned as your friend.

    However if you push your luck again, I will deal with you later.

    I am now waiting for the result of the masterbation.

    There is another 21 hours and 29mins left.

  204. Danyaal says:

    If one reads your and Julia's post then it is clear that you and her are the exact same person. How else do you explain the similar writing style. And the same pattern of being abusive.

    As far as the maths goes, you really haven't posted anything other than nonsense. Your accusation are wild and rather child-like. For example the above person has not stolen anything from you. Yet you accuse him of lying and cheating.

    If one reads comments of Julia. The similarities are astounding!

  205. Danielle says:

    Mr mysticalwadsyourname, I just found Julia's post. Julia, the person you thought I was her? Well, she was at the another platform and she also gave you 2 tight slaps across your cheeks for your crazinesss, bless her. She is so kind-hearted to humiliate you, hoping you will learn something out of it. Do you know? Can you appreciate others' good intentions, Mr everythinglooksomystical?



    DO IT

    OR SHUT UP!!!






    24 HOURS.



  206. Danielle says:

    Sorry wrong person. Read above post for clarification.

  207. Danielle says:

    Sorry, you got the wrong person. I do not routinely use several names to post. I am Danielle. I also like to watch comedies.

  208. I-Hate-Islam says:

    Jesus came for everyone, particularly the poor. That was why He chose a manger for His place of birth even though He was God incarnate. Your hadiths hold that Muhammad only said the funeral prayers for the rich who left him handsome legacies. Could a true prophet have been that discriminatory and wealth conscious?
    Here are some of the 'poor, penny less and homeless' Muslims who converted to Christianity: Dr Mustafa now Pastor Mark Gabriel, former professor at Al Zahar University, Cauro; Dr Muhammad Rahoumy, ex-Dean Al Azhar University; Dr Ergun Mehmet Caner, Turkish, now Dean Liberty Theological Seminary, Lynchburg; Rev. Hamid Pourmond, ex Iranian army colonel; Sheik Muhammad Mansour, ex Egyptian sheik and prominent Islamic scholar; Dr Hormoz Shariat, Ph.d in computers; Pastor Tunde Bakare,Nigerian lawyer, politician and Christian preacher etc. Yes,$cientists convert to Islam because of the of the enticement of Islamic $cience

  209. Danielle says:



    Is winning an argument by ALL MEANS that important to you?



  210. Danielle says:

    I am not your Julia. I am Danielle! Geddit??? You want my full name? If so, have the balls to enter here as your real name in full FIRST and not some mystic person, which by way i must admit is a teenie teenie weenie weenie bit better than addressing yourself as blank-blank-blank-blank-blank.

    If you now want to revive this 2=1 nonsense thingy, then

    Answer this:

    WHAT IS THE BIGGEST FLAW IN YOUR MATH STATEMENTS? (Warning: Do. Not. Use my words and answers that I have posted. Use your own words. Do not thieve from me to attack me!)




    why you got 0=0 and it is different from him who got 2=1. Who is right? Who is wrong?


  211. Danielle says:

    Mr Aminwhatsyourname,

    When i asked you 6 days ago to comment on my feedback, you failed to respond. I waited but you remained quiet while your brother made a fool of himself to the world by proving 2=1? WHERE WERE YOU? UNDER YOUR BED IN HIDING? WHY DIDN'T YOU COME OUT AND REFUTE ME?

    THEN a few days later, I openly declared that my first comment was merely to test you if you can conduct a rational and logical argument, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT IS MATH RELIGION PSYCHOLOGY or whatever else! Yes, i said it was a test if anyone can spot the biggest flaw in your entire set of math statements. Yes I said the premises was wrong. Yes, I said your premises upon your entire logic was wrong. And I explained why.


    NOW, you have the benefit of my answers. Now you want to comment on my very first text that it is nonsensical.



  212. aminthemystic says:

    Julia my dear . . . . has he let you back – once more.

    Oh the tragedy!

    – – –

    You have NO maths skills, ability or knowledge. . . . a load of nonsense – with "ROFL" "OMG" "!!!"

    The style of one and only Julia.

    – – –

    Let me be the first to Welcome you back.

  213. aminthemystic says:


    But this is pretty much nonsensical.


    See you cannot COMPLETELY hide who you are dear . . . 🙂 dear Julia!

  214. aminthemystic says:

    Hello Julia – same writing style . . . same use of Caps!

  215. Mr. Hardy says:

    My dear Christian: I am not cruel at all, but the first video didn't make me smile, it made me
    laugh. It reminded me with some Muslim women who beat their husbands. Believe it or not,
    some Muslim men are scared to death from their wives, as there are women who are scared
    of their husbands……this happens all the time in the best nations of the whole world.
    My dear Christian: is it a coincidence that the majority of the Muslims who convert to Christianity
    are pennyless, homeless, hobos, hopeless and helpless? is it another coincidence that the
    majority of Christians who convert to Islam are people of high ranks including scientists?

  216. aminthemystic says:

    Hello Julia!

  217. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You made me smile!

    In your first video I gathered it was liquor but not truth which motivated fellow man ! I skipped rest of all being a dear Muslim lol. Alcohol is banned in bible let that be another story !

    You pseudo Christians practicing all misinformation and tactics including alcohol, money for converting to Christianity in Africa , Iraq , India ! Eventually you are getting zombies which look like Christians for you !

    But for me this sound like get a six-pack abs without exercise advertisement and very much keen on goal conversion marketing skill lol

    Your dear Muslim !

  218. Danielle says:

    Look at this dear muslims, His hand is not too short to reach you. You can run and hide but He can choose you. And when it happens to you, you will stop fighting like you do in or outside this forum. You will not be afraid anymore.

    For those of you muslims who come in here quietly, read and contemplate all these arguments in your hearts, but are silent due to your fear: soon you need not be afraid. All you need is to ask of Him, not of Allah, but of Him, and He will give you something beautiful.

  219. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You are applying anthropological platform for your conclusion. Pedophilia was not a moral, social problem at that period of time.You really pointed out interesting fact if pedophilia was anthropological reason or psychological reason.

    We may cross verify it (as chuck tried unspoken rule of synthetic division in algebra to falsify equation which gave unwanted result which is arithmetically wrong) and pedophilia being psychological disorder we will focus on psychological symptoms checking and conditioning.

  220. Mr. Hardy says:

    Yes, me…..what do you think about the video I posted about the history of pedophilia?
    It seems to me, at that time and before Mohammad was born, pedophilia was
    something normal.

  221. chuck says:

    Better than rotten eggs.
    //Why in dream you replace y by x? Its not following step in my equation !

    Its an apriori requirement of division.

    //Tell me any rule that restrict from division of binomial expression in equation ?
    The rule that dividing by P(x) is valid only for those values of x for which P(x) is non zero, here the binomial is 0 for all y, for any given x.

  222. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Boiled egg lol

    Why in dream you replace y by x? Its not following step in my equation !

    If you have nothing to do with hypothesis replace it in first step only !

    Tell me any rule that restrict from division of binomial expression in equation ? Even unspoken rule dealing with rational expression don't apply as I am not replacing anything !

    Stop blabbering !

  223. chuck says:

    Yeay stop dreaming. Even polynomial expression are subjected to rules of division. Second I didn't put values, I merely replaced y by x.

  224. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    If I don't have problem is believing algebraic rules are 100% accurate. I should not have problem accepting 2 = 1.

    Lets switch platform to Psychology. Narcissistic personality disorder and Pedophilia.

    Any one ???

  225. Joe says:

    i make no claims about the bible.. the parables of Jesus and their logic stand on their own and make sense in every language.. hence the magic of a true prophet,,

    but you seem to be blind that the language of the quran is syro- aramaic.. you do not even have a proper translation and islomofascist killing people

  226. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Division is permissible as both are binomial expressions and not value !

    Stop dreaming !!!

  227. chuck says:

    Thanks for being so courteous. You have the step where you divide don't you? Won't you check whether the division is permissible at that point or not?
    Change platform, Algebra isn't exactly your forte, proved in both the examples.

  228. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Pseudo Christians under fire ha ha ha

    Poking nose in Islam is in your new bible written last few year lol

  229. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I appreciate your stupidity to calculate value zero in your dream step which is not in my equation at all. lol

    Nothing is wrong algebraically in my equation and steps !

  230. chuck says:

    Those were your steps. The 'proof' was your attempt not mine. I merely pointed out where you didn't follow algebra because you claimed "2. I have applied Algebraic rules ". The claim was yours too not mine.

  231. Danielle says:

    Dear Agracean, oops! sorry I didn't realise you are also a kind, beautiful and intelligent lady just like me 🙂

    And amen and amen and amen again! to what you have just said!

    Yes, I have just heard someone uttered exactly what you have said. Armies of His angels and prayer warriors, and many more to come, are marching in unison for the greatest exodus from a stronghold yet known to man.

    Jericho's gates were tightly shut due to fear. This is what we see here too. They are afraid. So afraid that they have to beat everything and everyone else down with all sorts of their contorted convoluted garb, so that they can feel they are right and can experience some form of false security. So as to get some sleep at night. This is their reality and their for of life.

    But the walls of Jericho will come tumbling down, for Love, Joy and Peace to enter them. For that to happen, we must do our part.

  232. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You do one thing apply those operations in first step itself ! Why so lazy !

    But I appreciate your lame attempt lol

  233. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Might be growing age or might be technical problems on your side. You are replying to wrong thread !!!

  234. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    [youtube uoLvAbMP2lY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLvAbMP2lY youtube]

  235. vijay says:

    How many Christian majority nations in west have killed native Christians converts to Dharmic faiths ? Can any non Indian become Hindu if Hindu means Indian ? Did i write anything wrong about Sanatan Dharama or its universal presence?

  236. aminthemystic says:

    "I have a habit to ignore rude people. I was put off after reading the first paragraph in your so called rebuttal. There not only you insulted me saying I have mental disorder, but also accused me of wanting to nuke Muslims.

    First of all only Muslims have mental disorder. This is not an insult but a fact which I have demonstrated with ample evidence in my Book."

    I thought I was special!

    Seems to me your honorifics are for others too.

    Anyone who really gives you a challenge. . .


  237. Ali Sina says:

    At least Jesus’ pains were caused by humans. Muhammad died with excruciating pains cause by Allah. And he made his foolish followers believe his spit has miraculous effect that can cure wounds and eye sour.

  238. Joe says:

    David Duke is a racist and racism is his religion.. David Duke is a pussy in comparison to mohammad

  239. Joe says:

    Maybe Jesus had to die in a very public way so that he could prove that There is life after death.

    if Jesus died in his sleep who would believe that he magically rose from the dead in the morning? The death had to be very public and graphic otherwise nobody would have believed he had died and without that how could they prove the resurection?

    Those that feel the cosmic energy of Love know that all this is possible..

  240. Joe says:

    Mr Hardy?

    are you saying that Jesus encourages you to abuse children?

    Mo took a six yo girl to fondle and then have sex with by the time she was nine.. Mo is the model of islam and all muslims are encouraged to be like mo..

    Jesus teach better you tie a mill stone around your neck and cast yourself into the deepest sea than corrupt a child

  241. Joe says:

    this the best you got a crack?

    this guy hardly knows anything about jesus and makes shit up to abuse the weak.. makes him a very good islamofascist….

    and your point? you call this a man of God? bet you do not even respect him

  242. allah says:

    [youtube Yz7QwOAf4Ww http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7QwOAf4Ww youtube]

  243. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    [youtube MH2RZfNXGdA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2RZfNXGdA youtube]

  244. Agracean says:

    Hi Danielle, please be informed that I'm a kind, beautiful and intelligent Christian lady and not a guy. Yes, you're absolutely right to say that convincing their brain part is only half the battle won and that they need love, encouragment, guidance and help to live a new life. If Jesus can crack a hard nut like Saul and transform him to become apostle Paul, that means that there is absolutely nothing too difficult for the Lord to do. I believe that there is going to be a great revival and a great awakening in the Middle East and all those braindead zombies will see the glory of the Lord and be saved.

  245. chusk says:

    //Where did 'don't divide by 0' rule come?
    As soon as you applied the division by (x² – xy ):D
    I proved to you that you can't do that division.

    //In your imagination Yes lol
    lol is fine, people say it is a sign of good health. But the imagination is all yours

  246. Danielle says:

    No, he is not. The style of speaking is totally different. He is just claiming he came up with the term when in fact it was someone else's. Thieving behaviour! Disgraceful!

  247. Agracean says:

    Mr nameless man, your above comment makes me wonder if you are Mr Abdul in disguise. 😉

  248. Mr. Hardy says:

    Important information about the history of pedophilia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_Bs-pN46s

  249. Danielle says:

    Hi Agracean, I think convincing the brain part is only half the battle won, if you ever get there in the first place, that is to say.

    And hi Joe too, we have not given up. Giving up arguing, yes I have done so, but let's not give them up for they are created as human beings like all mankind. Many of them could have doubts lurking inside but are too afraid to acknowledge, let alone raise. One whisper of it and they face execution back home. Look at all the fear and anger spouting everywhere when they speak here. They do need Love, very very much.

    As for the other half of the battle, a divine intervention like Paul's would be necessary, in my point of view. His head and heart were both closed, then KABOOM! The rest is history.

    So I guess we know what we have got to do, don't we? This is a battle cry (not battles involving guns and bombs). We need warriors (again not the guns and bombs type). And in plenty. Do you get my drift, guys?

  250. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    There is too much you ever dream for amusement. Psychology is most hilarious. Stay tuned!

  251. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    So everyone except me think masturbation discussing here is related with sex !

    I am really sorry I thought of metaphor , simile something. !!!

  252. Richmond Timothy says:

    "-JESUS DIED WHILE SUFFERING PAIN BUT HE HEAL WOUNDS OF OTHERS ! LOTS OF DELUSION EH !". The facts go beyond what you have said. Yes, He suffered pain but in just three days all the wounds which caused Him those pains were completely gone as were the pains and He was as fit as someone who was never scorched. Can you think of a similar case? As there is no other, that makes Jesus very unique and there is nothing delusional about Him or His miracles.

  253. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr nameless stupid dumb head, it's strange that everybody here have no problem understanding the meaning of masturbation, except you! I wonder if you are a human being or a ghost? Don't you know that masturbation is the manual sexual stimulation of the GENITALS for sexual pleasure. So, Mr dumb nameless man, the main components in masturbation are your hands and your sex organ and not your brain at all because you can molest your own banana but you can't feel and touch your brain at all. In conclusion, you can only stimulate your brain but you can't masturbate your brain at all. Those who think and believe that they or others can masturbate their own brain are merely spouting nonsense. 😉

  254. Agracean says:

    Hi Joe, when did I ever comment that I 'give up hope'? As long as those braindead zombie are still alive and kicking, there is always hope to set them free from this humongous Islamic sinkhole! They really need the Way, the Truth and the Life and the only way is through education.

  255. Joe says:

    @ Mr Hardy

    what is real hate? all i saw was someone voicing their opinion and so what if it is poor?

    real hate surely counts when it become physical and violent. Christians are being jailed, crucified, murdered and victimized in every muslim country on the planet and also in western countries..

    real hate .. check out the 1400 year history of islamic wars against everyone

    real hate?
    what do you make of 1400 years of slavery that continues today in islamic countries and is justified in by the quran..


    just search 'islam slavery' and 'islam modern slavery'.. you will find an esitmate 240 million people have died as slaves in islam and a number greater than that killed in the process of capturing slaves.. THAT IS HATE

  256. denialisnoproof says:

    you said algebraically?
    then why did you come to stupid bastardly islamic logic conclusion of

  257. Joe says:

    this is all they every talk about.. never talk about Love as if it does not exist.. this must hurt the feeling part of any person because everyone wants and deserves to be loved.. SO TALK ABOUT LOVE so that we can all face the reality of a better world__

  258. Joe says:

    Dear Agracean,
    i understand the frustration and i know that there are the "braindead" crew that have stopped listening and their idea of fun is watching others suffer.. unless it is them of course.__But to give up hope is to have lost and was the point worth fighting for..

    For those that understand freedom and Love, there is everything to fight for.. and the more we have experienced Love and Freedom in our lives the more it is worth to us.. So i think the motivation for most people here is one or both of these factors. ( even if our nameless friends think it is hate)__
    the motivation for most muslims ( lets not include the brainless)_
    – They think the quran is from God ._
    – There is 72 virgins in this if i stay brainless._
    – Everyone nonMuslim are evil and so must hate them_ '
    – This is what my parents taught me and it must be true, otherwise they will kill me.__

  259. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Dumb-head I have already told there is nothing like sex in this so lower your curiosity !

    Masturbation related with sexual organ includes functionality of sexual organ. In similar way masturbation related with brain includes functionality of brain. Math ,algebra and equations are functionalities of brain !

  260. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Egghead ! visual perception and arithmetic are different platforms.

    I said algebraically !!!

  261. denialisnoproof says:

    You also prove that muslims are brain dead goats.

  262. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Where did 'don't divide by 0' rule come? There is no step involved 'don't divide by 0' rule in my equation.!

    In your imagination Yes lol

    Again you proved masturbating with your own brain to tell I break any rule ha ha ha

  263. infidel/kafir says:

    David duke is a racist , just like Molems and ISLAM .period. ISLAM is bigotry . Moslems are fascists .

  264. Mr. Hardy says:

    if you are a christian I want to know what you think of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMFZZOOZLg

  265. chuck says:

    Well, you did break the 'don't divide by 0' rule. So you aren't correct in saying that. However if you believe 2 = 1, then multiplying both sides by 100, 200 = 100. By qualifying this as a dollar value, per your 'logic', I won't be wrong saying that 200$ = 100$.

  266. Danielle says:

    Hi denialisnoproof,

    Mr blank-blank-blank-blank-blank was not wrong in that. Earliest form of algebra did originate from ancient Iraq.

    I criticise the so-called 'logic' displayed in trying to prove an argument, and the obvious inability and unwillingness to follow reasoning. I laugh and make a mockery of their lack of open-mindedness and blatant disregard for others who disagree with them. That, I criticise and laugh at.

    In fact, if you sit back and watch, it is pure comic relief how their arguments are presented and real issues dodged. A brainwashing of some form must have happened inside their heads. Actually it is very sad. Come to think of it, maybe I shouldn't laugh so much at something so sad 🙁

    However, we, with no logical impairment, must speak the truth and must not be unfair. Where historical facts are presented like the origins of algebra, they should be recognised. Dont you agree? 🙂

  267. infidel/kafir says:

    Use your head . Hindus dont hate anything. You are perverted . Only Hindus accept all other faiths and all inclusive. Only christiand do not accept other realigions. Only moslems are vociferous and ferocious in elimination all other religions. SO both ISLAM and christianity do not accept any other faith as equivalent . Only ISLAM and christianith have this missionary activity, sanctioned by their false Gods to go and harvest and save them . So they go and proselytize and deceive with utter dishonesty and destroy all other cultures, countries and civilizations. This is the true history.

  268. Danielle says:

    Oops! I meant the reply above that he proved 2=1, not 200$=100$ 😀 😀 😀

    Yeah that explains a lot 🙂

  269. Danielle says:


    Look at the reply below WOAHAHAHA!!!! HILARITY IN EPIC PROPORTION !!! 😀

    Whenever I am in need of amusement, I just pop right in here to check out his replies 🙂 Beats watching 'How I met your mother' and '30 Rock'!!!!

    LOLS!!! Super fun!! 😀

  270. denialisnoproof says:

    Are you talking about the perfect nabi who got sh1t scared when angel first met him.

  271. denialisnoproof says:

    you are a piece of nonsense you can't prove that to be true. you stupid muslim.
    you claim algebra originated from muslims but this proves that it is a nonsense.

  272. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Are you talking about Jesus. According to Christianity Jesus died while suffering pains but he heal wounds of others ! Lots of delusion eh !

  273. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I didn't say 200$ = 100$ , I said 2=1 can be proved without breaking algebraic rule scientifically.

  274. infidel/kafir says:

    ISLAMIC societies are closed and secretive. AS such you cannot get any statistics on anything. In fact even taking census is banned in ISLAM . The ISLAMIC terrorists constantly threaten public not to help in census taking , by passing fatwas. SODI BARBARIA is the capital of Homosexuality. Mosques are hot beds of homosexuality – practiced by the Mullas on young boys. I read news and accounts from moslems themselves. In PAKISATAN there are cases of necrophilia and bestaility / You can see the video . In Afghanistan there is bachha baji, Mullas going after young boys.

  275. Richmond Timothy says:

    The speaker in the video shouted that "IT IS ONLY THE ZIONISTS WHO WANT WAR". As to be expected he was cheered on by his muslim and left wing friends who are engaging in self deceit. It was not the ZIONIST who proclaimed that they would rip the heart out of every Jew: it was the "peace loving" muslims wanting to do that to the Jews. It is not the Zionists who claim that any country on the Arabian peninsula is an aberration. It is the "peace loving" muslims who see Israel as such. The Zionists do not advocate wiping any country off the face of the earth. Rather the "peace loving" Iran wants the extinction of not only Israel but the Jews as well. THIS DECEIT IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING. STOP THE HATRED OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

  276. Richmond Timothy says:

    The website on the Egyptian necrophilia law quoted a Moroccan cleric, Zamzamani Abdul Bari, as having advocated spouses having sex with their dead partners way back in May 2011. If the practice is false, why has he not been censored by the ulema and the ummah? In islam no cleric will advocate what has no precedence. I have no doubt about the Egyptian story. Denial is only because of the repugnancy of the act. Abdul, u did not deny that the Bible is prohibited in Saudi Arabia as is the observance of Christmas. This means that Dr Sina if very correct about islam being intolerant while muslims in non muslim countries want to have the right they deny others in muslim dominated countries. Can there be any doubt that islam is evil?

  277. chuck says:

    Thanks Danielle.

  278. chuck says:

    If you look back, I am not putting any 'value' I am merely substituting y by x. Second before doing an operation, you have to check the validity of the operation. But still if you 'believe' (off course you can't prove it) that 2 = 1 is fine, then how about giving me 200$, I assure you I would return you 100$ since they are same.

  279. denialisnoproof says:

    "And there no algebraic rule that say you must put value in variables at that stage."
    your children will be retarded if you teach them mathematics. to find out a variable we can either use variable method or value substitution method.
    you , your muhammad ,your zakir naik and your mothers retarded vagina are all prostitutes.

  280. Ali Sina says:

    The hadith does not say it was in night or whether it was all the night. He might have done it for a few minutes before they throw dust on her. The man was delusional. He thought he is special and holy. He spat at the wounds of others and told them this will heal them. Meanwhile he died while suffering excruciating pains.

  281. Serpent says:

    We have to follow Ockham's razor. The best explanation is the simplest one"

    You have to be cautious with this one.Occams Razor says that when you have 2 competing hypothesis that explain the data equally well,ONLY THEN should the simplest one be used.I'm well aware how this rule has been abused to explain away all phenomena which is considered taboo.

  282. Serpent says:

    Great job exposing rainbow.For a moment I thought he was an actual atheist.I've noticed that there are some that also hide behind atheism to attack a certain ideology,in order to avoid their own ideology being attacked.

  283. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr nameless man, I'm curious to know in the first place, if you really understand the meaning of masturbation? It has nothing to do with algebra or any maths equation at all. You can't use all those maths equation to explain 'masturbating with your own brain'. 😉

  284. Mr. Hardy says:

    This video is exculsively for the Christians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWL3Gt_0qYM

  285. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Danielle you really egg ! lol. You don't know where this discussion is heading ! It has nothing to do with algebra (Latin variant of the Arabic word al-jabr)

    You will wonder if platform will change to psychology ,anthropology, theology !

  286. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You didn't specify about any rule to put values in particular stage of operation is mandatory. If I put value in the beginning itself why there is a need to do operations. Let me say I don't put value at that stage so how come I am algebraically wrong.

    You are just masturbating with your own brain to find your own result. This have been proved !

  287. Danielle says:

    Good one!

  288. Danielle says:

    Chuck, in all fairness, I should tell you i was pulling a fast one on the whole lot of them right from the start, to see if anyone could catch the biggest flaw in the entire set of proof. After all, I figure given that they suck so bad at math, even if I utter gibberish, they wouldn't notice, would they? Hehe.

    But I wanted to see for myself if these debating scholars are equipped with logic, clarity of mind, objectivity, and ability to understand and learn for others – all which are critical in constructive debating and communications. I was truly disappointed.

    Nobody in their right mind who have received some form of proper training in math will start out with a set of Identities, then try to prove anything otherwise using logic. Its absurd. Don't you agree? The very nature of the identity will invalidate any contradictions in the results.

    The rest of the flaws in those mathematical statements stem from poor understanding of basic math concepts, and the inability to execute algebraic manpulations properly without prior testing for validity. I salute your attempts to explain where the concepts were wrongly applied. I do have doubts you will succeed in your endeavour to knock any sense into the guy who proved 2=1. He is still holding on dearly to it as if his life depends on it.

    Cheers, Chuck, have a beautiful evening 🙂

  289. Danielle says:

    LOLOLOLOL oh chuck! Give me a break i cant stop laughing … Or should i say give the boy a break, wouldn't you? 😀 You are pressing all his buttons lololol.

    It's a wonder how you are so patiently and rationally trying to help him understand logic. I wont bother teaching a kid who is not willing to learn. I send them for detention straightaway for poor attitude lololol

    He said he studied stats you know omg lololol. Kudos to you, man! I gave up on him lolol. But his every reply to you is so so so hilarious lolololol Omg 😀

    Luv this! I vote him for the 'BEST COMEDIAN' award lolol. Have a nice day, Chuck 🙂

  290. vajra says:

    Agree Mohamed comforted her dead aunt by lying with her in the grave.
    Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

    “I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib”… The prophet was referring to Fatima, the mother of Ali.

    It does seem a bit odd though to sleep in the grave with a stone cold person in the night!

  291. Vajra says:

    This reminds me the behaviour of shabas who would consume Mohs excertments

  292. chuck says:

    Again, you don't know how to work with equations. You can't square root both coz square of both expressions are same. The operation 'sqrt of' is multi-valued, resulting in 2 values, you can't arbitrarily choose one in left side and another in right side. Furthermore, to see in another manner 6² + 5² – 2 * 6 * 5 could also be (5 – 6)². So firstly, your choice is arbitray, which isn't a problem though, and secondly you are applying an operation which isn't uni-valued and hence not applicable and the main issue here.

  293. chuck says:

    First I didn't put a numeric value, I merely replaced y by x resulting in 0 for the expression x² – xy. Second I have already pointed out what's wrong in your division. The rule book says no division by 0, you are doing a division, you have to check whether you are violating any rule doing the said operation. How do you check that, you evaluate the expression that is the divisor. And what do you find, its 0. So the rule "thou shalt not divide by 0" is violated. Elementary Watson.

  294. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    And there no algebraic rule that say you must put value in variables at that stage.

    There is nothing wrong algebraically in the proof !

  295. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You can square root both coz square of both expressions is same.
    There is nothing wrong algebraically in the proof !

  296. chuck says:

    Again wrong algebra, (4 – 5)² = (6 – 5)² will
    not => 4 – 5 = 6 – 5 , simply because you can't square root on both sides EQUITIBLY. That is because Square Root isn't uni-valued function. Simple. So, if anything, you need to do some homework on algebra.

  297. chuck says:

    And wrong yet again!! First which algebraic rule says that you can't put values to the variables? Second, why indeed x² – xy !=0 if x = y? If x = y, x² – xy = x² – x*x = x² – x² =0. Clear?
    Third, you can strike off quantities on either side of an equation only if the operation is allowed algebra, clearly division isn't allowed when the divisor is 0.

  298. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You got problem with zero then do this homework !

    1 = 1
    41 – 40 = 61 – 60
    16 + 25 – 40 = 36 + 25 – 60
    4² + 5² – 2 * 4 * 5 = 6² + 5² – 2 * 6 * 5
    (4 – 5)² = (6 – 5)²
    4 – 5 = 6 – 5
    4 = 6

  299. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Why the hell you putting value of variables before result ? Even in subtraction
    x² – x² =0 and x² – xy !=0
    2 and 1 are coefficient of same expression (x² – xy )!
    so 2=1

  300. chuck says:

    Additionally its an equation and not an expression. And in an equation if you are operating one side with stuff from the other side, division for example, yo first have to check that the operation is valid. Here the operation, division, is invalid because the quantity x² – xy is 0 (because of the hypothesis) and division by 0 is not defined. So don't blame Algebra for leading you to wrong conclusions.

  301. chuck says:

    You are wrong AGAIN!! You do the bracketed stuff before the non-bracketted thing. So here you subtract before you do the division. So shut up

  302. Joe says:

    the plague is the "Truth"…

    The truth will wipe out islam as cult and than all persians, afghans, arabs, egyptions, africans, morrocons, indonsians and other poor innocent that have fallen for the lie will discover peace and joy in their life.

  303. Joe says:

    "Mr Abdul, you have to crack and not masturbate your brain, in order to find out the absolute truth "

    sorry have to disagree with your point.. If we only open up our hearts and Love and forgive then we would have planet earth paradise. Our heads contain just thoughts which are blind to feelings unless the heart is allowed to feel.

    It is the experience of living the words of Jesus and other great prophets that manifests a better world.. If other people are going from bad to worse it is because those that think they understand are unable to teach those who have not experienced Peace and Love in their lives.

  304. Danielle says:

    Lololol I have no idea what you are saying. But I think we have seen enough of what your religion does to people. Thank you 😀 😀 😀

    Have a nice evening masterbating, Mr blank-blank-blank-blank-blank :D. Oh wait wait, if masterbating your brain is equivalent to simulating/exercising it to enlarge it, then when you swim you are masterbating with your entire body's muscle parts? lolololol

    Would you tell that to your religious teacher: i wish to learn how to swim better, can we go to the seaside i wish to see and learn how you masterbate your body? Lolololololol

    Choose your words carefully. You are a rude lot. Your words insults others like Ali and when others like me insult you, you feel soooooo angry. Huhuhuhu. Poor boy. Doesn't feel good, does it?

    I am not telling you why your sets of statements is wrong, considering how you just sneakily turned around on another post and say 'see? That's what I mean' or something like that. Thieving and lying. I wouldn't let you use my facts for your deceitful purpose. Too bad. 2=1 ROFLMAOOOOO

    So have a good time masterbating together with your daddy and mommy and sisters and religious community. Afterall you meant exercising, right? Lolololol.

    Wont be talking to you again, loser 😀

  305. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    chuck may be Chinese but probably know shut up doesn't mean shut the fcuk up !

  306. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You are nothing but attempting psychological fallacy "Affirming the Consequent" !!! What more stupidity you have against a religion ? Keep trolling !!

  307. Ahnaf says:

    I'd go with "All of the above" 😉

  308. Danielle says:

    Omg! People are giving you their answers and you ask them to shut up? How rude, Mr blank-blank-blank-blank-blank, very rude.

    How else will you learn nothing?

    Did you say something earlier that imply you studied hypothesis or something? What makes you think Chuck is not a doctorate in Statistics from an Ivy League Uni? He might be, you know?

    Nevertheless, it does not matter one's academic credentials. Someone saw your mistake and pointed it out to you. He is so kind. But look at your display of anger? Like a brute.

    If religion is really so great, and you are a blessing to mankind as you claim to be, you should immediately humble yourself. Say thanks to him. And apologise to him for your rudeness. Right? Kiddo? 🙂

    Otherwise, your religion is just garb. Good only for debating purposes. And not even debating in any logically way. Not even useful for recycling. Not usable. Not applicable to life. Closed to science. Closed to others who disagree with you. Basically useless to mankind. Redundant. Extra.

  309. Danielle says:

    No, you are lying. You are trying to get off the hook.

    On the other post, you asked me about your set of statements which you said you logically end up with '2=1' and you ask me 'What premises wrong? Why?'

    Simultaneosly on this post, you are trying to say 'see? That is why the argument is wrong.' that is basically called justification. Your brain is lying to you. You are rationalising your problem away.

    This kind of reply is reserved for young children. You are bluffing your way through only. Only kids will bite the bait.


    Get real. I think maybe you are simply immature lol. How old are you, may I ask? 9? 14? Okay I give you a max 19. No no no, no 19-year-olds are so dim that they actually believe others are that stupid to buy it lol

    PS: does your religion teach you to do these type of 'smart' acts? Terrible.

    So, you still don't understand why you got 2=1 right? Lol. Poor kid.

  310. Danielle says:

    Tut tut tut ….

    Asking for directions and knowledge when you are lacking it with 'What Premises Wrong? Why? Egg head!!!' is not the kind of humility as described by your religion, am i right?

    It makes us all wonder if it is in your religion at all to teach humility when seeking answers? By your words and attitude, you have shown to the whole internet community that your religion fails terribly to teach you how to live amongst others that are unlike you, or happen to disagree with you – such as me who disagree with your 'Therefore 2=1 blah blah' spectacular display of absurdity.

    Do you discipline yourself in the practice of humility or is the teaching of any humility lacking in your religion? People who do not practise religion knows what is humility, shame on you and your religion. You just show us how shameful you are as a human being and I read somewhere you are a ….what? blessing to mankind? Lol

    I don't discuss religion primarily because of people like you. You say one thing but behave otherwise. Hypocrites.

    Prove that your understanding of your religion is of some standard, not by your evasive arguments and name-calling. Not by head knowledge and quoting religious verses.

    Prove it by your speech, attitude and conduct towards others. Start right here. With people who do not share your religion. Like me.

    Prove it


    asking again, nicely and politely why you got 2=1. Where did it go wrong.


    Prove to us your religion is a blessing. Go on.

    Are you capable of that?

    Are religious people, like you, capable of that?

    We shall all be watching.

  311. Mr. Hardy says:

    to Christian faith
    Do you want to see the real hate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMFZZOOZLg

  312. vijay says:

    [youtube y3XttYDYvbE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XttYDYvbE youtube] Got this link from perhaps a Hindu person. Why do Hindus hate Islam if it is true ?

  313. Agracean says:

    Hi nameless man, I think that you should check with Mr Rainbow because he is an expert on this subject and he has tried it before. 😉

  314. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You did (x² – xy ) = 0 subtraction before division Now shut up !

  315. Joe says:

    Many muslims are not even aware that the earliest quran was written in aromaic. this one fact uncovers one of the biggest myths about the book that fell from the sky and has never been translated

  316. chuck says:

    Your point 2 is wrong you have not applied Algebraic rules.
    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)
    only if (x² – xy ) is divisible by (x² – xy ) which it is not following the hypothesis x = y as (x² – xy ) = 0 and division by 0 isn't permitetd in Algebra. So you are not following Algebraic rule. So much for the masturbation!!

  317. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Politely and humbly,scholarliness ?

    Yep I have resigned from high IQ society just to beat eggs like you and make Spanish omelet !!!

  318. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    See this exercise is all about showing masturbating own brain can give undesired results coz of logical fallacies in algebraic operations in this case which is considered as platform to prove.

    I know 2 !== 1, neither I have intention to believe.

  319. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    admin of hate mongers ! hah haa hah

  320. Danielle says:

    LOLS, you are the admin of ….? I am confused now 🙂

  321. Sakat says:

    Masturbate with own brain mean's all the time hooking to porn cites, Muslim's do it religiously all the time.

  322. Danielle says:

    Ask again,

    this time, politely and humbly, as befitting your discipline and scholarliness,

    and I will answer you.

  323. Danielle says:

    Answer this: why is your assumptions wrong that you get 2=1 ?

    Can you answer this question?

    You know 2 cannot be equal to 1. So what was wrong with your scientific statements?

    Answer the question just if someone ask you 'what's your name?'

    Answer my first question, scholar.

  324. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I have seen your comments Hating statements about Muslims , Insulting belief system
    that only describing your frustration level lol

    Actions speak louder than words. And words on internet bear only 20 volts compared to spoken words ha ha ha

    Have you seen Muslims detonating dynamite invented by Mr. Noble ? Have you seen Muslims suicide bombing invented by Jews ? Oh you have seen a fraction what you call Muslims !!!

    Really want to see Muslims to make stupid comments declaring average IQ level ? ha ha ha

    Good luck hate monger we treat you by product of our religious success !

  325. Joe says:


    "Why so Deluded"?

    very good question and have wondered why.. Do you think it is possibly:

    ans 1:) Rainbow is just too young and has no life experience?
    2:) Has had a bad life experience and islamic thinking allows him to blame others?
    3:) Somehow thinks there are 72 virgins waiting for him?

    ? All of the above ?

  326. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    What PREMISES Wrong ? Why?

    Egg head !!!

  327. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Dumb-head you don't know anything about assumptions behind hypothesis tests !!!
    Learn it first then ask anything !!!

  328. Danielle says:

    Admin, my apologies for using a vulgar word. No excuse there. Sorry.

  329. Danielle says:

    Ahhh! Found it again. Yah, this is your set of proofs right?


    THEN YOU SAID 'Now logically you have proven 2=1 and happy with that !'
    —–> No, you can't show off your logic in this way. Why? Cos it's not based on logic lolol. Your premises are wrong! Shameful attempt, scholar

    THEN YOU SAID 'Even you assume x=y as hypothesis which is scientifically correct …'
    —–> No, you can't show off with big words like 'hypothesis' and what-nots, and use words that link you to science (and science is absolute truth eg: laws of relativity, gravity etc. Do it the scientific way you won't get 2=1) Your thinking process is not logical enough to affiliate yourself to math and science, yet you attempt a 'scientific and logical' show-off that makes others laugh. And no, I didn't need to tickle myself. I was laughing at you and the entire thread of 68 posts a significant part of which is arguing your set of math statements. Lololololol. Laughing at out at you, no hands LOLOLOLOL, not tickling, lololololol 😀 😀

    THEN YOU CONTINUED '… gave you something which can't be correct.'
    —–> Of course the results can't be correct, lol. You built them on the wrong premises, which you didn't realised in all entire your being but wholeheartedly believe to be logically and true.

    So you thwarted absolute logic and truth in your ignorance to prove something which is not.

    You are the one doing exactly what you claim the blogger is doing.

    Yeah, blank-blank-blank-blank-blank, you definitely masterbated a lot, we all can tell, but it can't be with your brain, right? cos its too tiny to grasp? Try reading widely with an open mind, instead of masterbating. Masterbating shrinks your the other head, in case you are unaware and under-read, so i am advising you now. Else you end up with not one, but TWO TINY HEADS.

    THEN YOU SAID 'You need to use or validate with other source other than science and logic to find it correct'.
    —–> No, dickhead, you can't be serious!! Science and logic need no further validation by you they have been tried and tested and validated already. You are so bad at showing off to others how sciency you are and ….your brand of logic, well is illogical!! Lololololol!!! it turns you into some clown for the entire world to see :D. No, correction, not just you, the entire grip of morons here trying to figure why 2=1 or can't be, scratching heads and all lolololol

    Your whole entire argument is so flawed. You proved 2=1, then you conclude this. Pathetic, scholar!

    What is your math and science educational level? Please tell me you just barely make it pass elementary school. Please!! Otherwise, your teachers need to be sacked lololololol.

    So, go do what you do best, that thingy you do with your hands. Don't show off math proffs to the entire world if you are not capable of doing so.

    When you receive feedback on your post, listen and understand, with an open mind, not play defensive and ignore knowledge. What truth is there for you, if you choose those parts of truths that only appeals to you?

    Science and math, hypothesis, validation, x=y …. LOLOLOLOL

    Open your mind, scholar, learning is a life long process. You start by pay attention and listen.


  330. Danielle says:

    Mr blank-blank-blank-blank-blank, I realised it was you who first attempted the x=y thingy 😀 and derived 2=1 yourself.












  331. admin says:

    Arabs may not have religious texts (or so they claim), but many passages from the Quran comes from a mixture of texts from other tribes. There is quite a few similarities to the Old Testament and the Torah, both which existed in writing for centuries before Mohammed.

    There was 350 different religious branches in the Middle East when the region was Christeo-Judean (pre-Islam) and they indeed had written texts hundreds of years before Mohammed. The entire Arab region was Christian and Jewish dominated, but also had tribes of pagans with deep Hindu influence. Hindu texts have existed for more than 3000 years.

    We got to remember that Islam is the youngest of the major religions – and mainly a shadow of it – and not the founder of religion. If bedouines did not write text either out of being illiterate desert dwellers or other reasons, doesn't mean there was no written text in that region. Mohammed and his clan were well known looters and thieves, who were rejected and disliked as dacoits in the entire area where no one wanted to provide accommodation or services (food) to them. It would be fairly supportive to assume that all the different extracts of the Koran came exactly from such looting sprees.
    The Hadiths were added later – which is stated by theologians as well who claim that the entire Koran has been added gradually one by one much later, with overlaying of text.

    Oldest Koran in the world – created about 70 years after the death of Mohammed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdvsLh128Q&p

  332. Ali Sina says:

    The Arab Pagans did not have written texts for their religions for Muhammad to collect them. Furthermore if this were the case there would have been more coherence in the Quran. The verses and the suras of the Quran are Muhammad’s words in response to event that happened in his life. For example when his men raided a caravan and killed someone in the months that killing was regarded as sacrilege he made up verses saying persecution is worse than killing and approved that dastardly crime. When his followers started fighting over the booty captured in the battle of Bard, he issued verses saying the spoils of war belong to Allah and his messenger. When his wives gave him a hard time because he had slept with Hafza’s slave girl he revealed a sura saying he is a prophet and he can divorce all his wives and marry any woman he likes. When he lusted after his daughter in law and his adopted son offered to divorce his wife so he can have her, he told him to fear Allah and keep his wife. But when he changed his mind he revealed verses rebuking himself for depriving himself of what Allah has allowed him and added that he is no father of any man, but the last and the best of prophets. When the dignitaries of Mecca told him they will believe in his religion and he should believe in theirs so there would be no enmity between his followers and their Meccan relatives, he made up verses saying, to you your religion and to me my religion. When his uncle Abu Lahab became angry with him for saying Abdul Muttalib (Muhammad’s grandfather) is in hell, Muhammad issued a sura cursing his uncle and his wife.

    He often put his own words in the mouth of his suck-puppet deity. But he did not care compiling them in a book. Even Abu Bakr was reluctant to do so saying if this should have been done the Prophet would have ordered them to do it. Muhammad did not compile the Quran. He did not care about collecting the alleged revelations in one book. He said what was needed at the time and claimed these were the orders from above.

    We have to follow Ockham’s razor. The best explanation is the simplest one. The only parts of the Quran that Muhammad borrowed from other faiths are the Biblical stories. These were stories he heard when he was young attendeing the Okaz market and listening to the Christian preachers. There are many errors in these stories, which is evidence that he had not read the books himself. He relied on his memory of what he heard. His Biblical stories are sketchy and often wrong. For example he confused Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron because in Arabic both names are pronounced Maryam.

    Some people of Medina also said that Salman the Persian is teaching him stories about other faiths. This may be true because Salman had converted to Christianity and had escaped from his father’s home in Iran. He went to Syria and severed three monks until their deaths. He must have been an expert in Bible and knew also the Zoroastrian religion, which was the religion of his birth. Why we know this may have been the case? Because Muhammad denies the allegations in the Quran saying the language of this person (he does not mention Salman by name) is a foreign language but the Quran is in pure Arabic. Of course the alibi is absurd. All these show that the Quran is a collection of what Muhammad said in different occasions. There is no collection of the religious texts of the Arabs. Arabs did not have religious texts.

  333. Ali Sina says:

    No this is not true. He did not have sex with his aunt. He laid next to her and embraced her. There was no sex involved.

  334. vajra says:

    Mohamed had sex with dead aunt so whats the problem in other muslis following him

  335. Vajra says:

    Zakir Naki the Makkir is a wahabi stool pigeon who has plagiarised the orginal ahmadi written book by maulana vidyathi http://www.muslim.org/islam/miws/author.htmbook
    His expsure article.


    According to sharia his hands should be chopped off for stealing someones book and publishing in his own name.

  336. Vajra says:

    Simple, Muli brain is in arsz. So amusli takes a dildo and shags himself is mastrubation with brain. Example ran-bow above.

  337. Monkeys and Swines says:

    Hello Mr rainbow,
    You are not a rainbow but a dirty ditch (i mean your thoughts). Here Ali Sina is trying to say the true facts of Islam and trying to make people understand about their religion. If they like and realise the facts, they free themselves or they choose to sit inside that ditch. At least he is trying to create awareness among people. Again, he doesn’t say Muslims are bad but the religion which they follow makes them bad. He doesn’t say to hate Muslims but try to show them the truth.
    Your house should be clean before if you say others house are dirty. Same way he was born as a Muslim. When Islam is not clean how can he comment about other religions? He is talking about the religion and its facts which he knows well. Just for the sake of popularity, don’t try to showcase yourself in lime light. If you don’t like his views why do you even bother to visit his website and put comments?
    You people say Allah is God and Mohamed is prophet of Allah but sadly you give no respect to Allah but call Mohamed with such a great respect. What a pity world you are in?

  338. admin says:

    It is my opinion that the Quran comprises of looted materials. This is why there are so many contradictions and confusions. This is why it has no beginning or end but is a complete unorganized mix. The oldest Quran was found with pages written in so many dialects, it took away the assumption that it had been orally transferred. It only confirms even more that Mohammed, on his looting sprees, had put together everything he could collect during robberies, and that collection became the Quran – to him considered the only "complete" religion because it contained tidbits of all local faiths in one. It also contained a constant content of erased and newly added text on top of the old one, providing only grapes and a long life with their existing wives to the worshiper of Mohammed. There was 350 different branches of faiths in the Middle East during Mohammed's youth.

  339. admin says:

    F stands for F*CK OFF. It doesn't take a few seconds. It's instant. I challenge all Muslims to verify that the Quran is real and provide a flying donkey to me so I can fly to Mecca and pee on the Kaaba. I've look for them for sale in Saudi Arabia but haven't come across one yet. They did offer a castrated slave for sale, but that's nothing close to a flying donkey…

  340. admin says:

    Don't bother. He probably blames the Jews for it…! LOL! Everything is the fault of the zionists… you know that, don't you? Forget that the Jewish population is so tiny that they don't even make up 10mil people.

  341. admin says:

    Lol! Of course…. you devil worshipers are never the hate mongers no matter how horrific your activities are. Remember one thing: actions speak louder than words. And people do watch your actions and judge you by it. You're so indoctrinated you cannot even think straight.

  342. Abid says:

    The reason they are ready to screw non-muslims women and not ready to screw their own women is that non-muslims do not believe a liar, pedophile, lustful, cruel criminal prophet Muhammad (Piss be upon him). On the similar ground if I say today that I am the prophet of God, and slay all who do not believe my words, screw all their women who do not believe me, slay them wherever you find them, all of them are the enemies of yours, mine and God's. and after couple of centuries, my fool believers do, believe and tries to carry out the same things which i said (similar to what a pedophile said in 7th century), how would muslims feel when they are butchered and their women are made concubines of my idiot followers.

    Now, Do you feel shame muslims? Do you or do you not? or you are still shameless like your pedophile prophet.

  343. Abid says:

    If Quran had some verse for muslims to screw their mom, sis and daughters, they would happily start doing that. They would never give a rational thought over it. They would take that as a decree of Allah without any doubt and carry out (alleged) his order. Hearing this, muslims claims that they would not do that, if Quran would contain such a command. Then I will say, then why they believe and try to carry out when Quran says that non-muslims' women are their concubines after victory over Darul Harab. Why they believe 'non-muslims are filthy', 'slay wherever you find them, jews and Christians are their enemies' and so on in Quran.

  344. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    "You Muslims have no reasoning, no IQ"

    One more dreamer alias hate monger lol

  345. Agracean says:


  346. Agracean says:

    Hi Rainbow, she was only 9 years old!! This fact is more important for all to take note!

  347. admin says:

    Evidence gathering? You Muslims make an announcement and then retrieve it. It doesn't make the content false, either. Stop making outrageous announcements under that dirty, false, pedophiliac religion of yours.

    Abdelbari Zemzami was a contributor to Islam Online, where he occasionally issued fatwas and answered questions about jurisprudence. In addition, Zamzami issued approximately 2,000 fatwas during his career. His latest include the fatwa dubbed "necrophilia fatwa" which edict gives a man the right to engage in sexual intercourse with his wife up to six hours after her death.

    The necrophilia fatwa went viral after Al Arabiyah published an article alleging that Egypt was about to adopt a law in its favor. In addition, a new fatwa allowing women to masturbate using sex toys, carrots, pestles, bottles, and other phallic-looking objects warranted the wrath of the Moroccan and international Muslim community against Zamzami.

    So, you devil worshipers publish these news in your own newspapers and when international press gets a hold of them, you claim they are lying and distorting truth! Take some responsibility of your own conduct. And leave this Sina guy in peace, will you.

  348. admin says:

    What on earth are you rambling about? Ali Sina has nothing to do with our blog. Where is his name even mentioned in the article you are referring to? You Muslims have no reasoning, no IQ. Just ridiculous. The Ayatollah materials are completely accurate. We don't publish any inaccuracies at all. 99% of our content come from the media which is obligated under law to have accurate resources for their content. This is not the Arabia where you can lie about anything and everything.

  349. vijay says:

    So this gives the proof that Dr Sina does not do shadow boxing, what in Urdu is called Nura Kushti. He actually interact to the real people and share it with us. So allocations on him for the false propaganda by forging himself as some other character , are false.

  350. Rainbow says:

    My pleasure sir……I am always around if you need more.
    But I didn't understand what you meant by "your hole",
    the normal people who like the light live in houses,
    only coward rats (like you) live in holes.

  351. Ali Sina says:

    I am glad to see you ran out of thing to say and resort to your typical Islamic last word which is insult. Now that you are done, crawl back to your hole. Just as Babs immediately saw in you, all you can do is project yourself in others.

  352. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Sorry we overlooked " Impotent brain " But thank you giving a real show off !!! And your source of laughing must be finger under your armpit Keep laughing !!!

    This blogger does the same "masturbate with his own brain" that means

    1. He himself assume Muslims as whole race to fit his imaginary persona
    ( like assuming x=y)
    2. Choose favorable source of informations and platforms with logical fallacies
    ( like Algebra)
    3. Prove whatever he want
    ( like 2=1)

  353. Rainbow says:

    One more thing: eventually, your masters will dump you
    as they dump the toilet papers…….
    because you are not only a stupid liar, but a failure too.

  354. Rainbow says:

    Were you looking at the mirror when you threw all these dirty
    Have I said anything wrong about the Christians and others?
    It is very boring to repeat what I mean ……..I listed
    the evils of other religions because you insist that Islam is the
    only evil religion……I am not going to say it agains, all the readers
    including your fans know who is the hypocrite and the liar and
    the hateful. You are losing your temper because you are exposed
    and branded as a LIAR. Keep on barking….Ruff..Ruff..Ruff
    and hear the echo. The filth you throw at other will be back,
    to you and stuck on your ugly face which you dare not showing
    it to others, it is written all over it: Liar, Liar, Liar

  355. Ali Sina says:

    “the new ex-Muslims (specially the Arabs) will be really foolish if they trust you, coz your hatred for them is eternal.”

    Now you are removing your mask and showing your ugly Islamic face. Your mask never worked with me. You came here with an agenda pretending to be an atheist while promoting Islamic causes.

    “They managed to abandon their religion, but how can they abandon their identity and origin?”

    Who said anyone has to abandon his origin? On the contrary it is by going back to our origins that we can get this money of Islam off our back. A very good example is Iran. We Persians are going back to our roots to reject Islam.

    Arabs can do the same. Islam brought nothing for the Arabs, except the art of raiding and killing others and each other. Their language, their poetry and arts all predate Islam. They have to find their roots and throw Islam in the toilet of history and flush. Arabs will be still Arabs without Islam. They will be without hate, much better humans and less hated by the world. There are many Arab apostates. None of them has turned away from their roots.

  356. Ali Sina says:

    If you don’t hate Islam is because you don’t understand it. You are demonstrating your ignorance in every comment you make.

    Yes the theology of the Bahai Faith is similar to Islam just as Islam is similar to Judaism. These religions copied each other. Judaism is also copied from the pagan religions of Mesopotamia and Canaan. All these desert religions are products of ancient paganism. The religious thinking of the people in these lands is very different from Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese or the natives of America. Despite that there is some good in all of them except in Islam, which is truly evil. If you don’t hate it, it is because you don’t know it. However, you have maintained your Islamic bigotry, your hatred of the non-Muslims, your hypocritical nature, the very things that make Islam evil. I don’t care about theology and how people want to worship their imaginary friend in the sky. Religion is not my cup of tea. I am not against Islam because its theology is false. All theologies are false. The reason I hate Islam is because it reduces normal people into hatemongers and savages. You have given up the theology of Islam. That part is harmless. But you have kept its hatred of non-Muslims. You have kept the shitty essence of Islam while have discarded its harmless doctrines. If devout Muslims hate others, one can say it is because of their religion. When you spew so much hatred of anyone and anything that is not Islamic, it only shows your evil nature. Muslims can be forgiven and there is hope for them. If we show them Islam is false many of them will leave it and will stop hating others. But you, you are hopeless. You don’t believe in Islam but you love it because it promotes the hatred of the Jews, the Bahais the Christians and everyone and everything under the sun. The reason you love Islam is the same reason Hitler loved it. Hitler did not believe in Allah or Muhammad. He just loved Islam because Islam is a religion of hate. You and Hitler can be compared to flies who love shit. The smell of excrement attracts this insect. You love hate and that is why you are attracted to Islam.

    I hate Islam. But Islam is an ideology. I also hate Nazism, communism, fascism, racism, misogyny and other ideologies of hate. You, you hate Jews, Bahais, Christians, etc. These are people. It is okay to hate ideologies, but it is very evil to hate people. You are a miserable and despicable soul.

  357. Rainbow says:

    You are lying…he was only 53 !

  358. Rainbow says:

    I know very well how and when and why the Bahai' religion
    established, (I can provide you with the details you missed).
    As you say: the Muslims don't know the reality of their
    religion, I also say that the Bahais don't know what was the real
    purpose behind establishing their religionwas .Go on…throw your stupid baseless accusations at me……..
    the new ex-Muslims (specially the Arabs) will be really foolish if
    they trust you, coz your hatred for them is eternal. They managed
    to abandon their religion, but how can they abandon their identity
    and origin?

  359. Rainbow says:

    Your problem Sina, is that you do not read Arabic. I read the Bahais
    "holy" book, most of it is extracted from the Quran, also their prayers
    are exactly like the Muslims' prayers. They just pray three times aday.
    Their book and the Quran, are like the OT and the NT.

    You cannot imagine anyone to leave Islam without hate…..hate is your
    principle. I care less about all religions and their followers, and you
    are the last person to talk about hate and accuse others of it.
    I left Islam only because I was not convinced, not because I hated it,
    and I am defending it because I was not harmed by it, and all the
    people whom I love and love me are Muslims. Just tell me: how do
    you feel if someone curse the people you love and call them stupid
    over and over?? aren't you going to be offended, or you are void
    of feelings and dignity? BTW, I give a damn if you believe me or not,
    who would care about the opinion of a person like you.

  360. infidel/kafir says:

    Agracean pinned you under him ?

  361. infidel/kafir says:

    Because , he revealed truth about MO and his wives ..?

  362. Danielle says:

    So Mr Amin-wadever-is-your-real-name, it's bed time now and I have to go brush my teeth and try not to laugh too much lest I have difficulty falling asleep lolololol 😀

    Nothing very much for me here, except a lone person standing up to argue with morons like you – seeing how you morons argue is amusing to me. And I would say I feel sad for Ali – it has to be frustrating for him. I will come visit again to see if anyone has the ability to revise those math statements – I am an elementary math teacher, see? And my 9-year-olds in class can spot the math errors a mile away. lolol. Ah ha!! I shall print the math parts to quiz them, it will give me something to entertain the kids – I am so looking forward to it 🙂

    I have no interest to argue with you or anyone here about your religious points of view. So don't approach me as one of you, in a hostile tone. I am not taking sides. I do not talk religion and I am no expert in whichever books you guys are debating on.

    So why did I post here? I would expect a moron like you to ask. My answer is:





    Ok ok … Good night, wadsyourname, lol, cya when I have the time. You are an amusing lot 😀

  363. John says:

    I haven't examined those links but whats your point? Your prophet still married 9 year old Aisha when he was 54 — old enough to be her grandafther. If Ali updated some captions on the 9/11 images (or whatever he did), that's a small matter as compared to what things your prophet did to that little girl every night.
    Learn to focus on things that are more important.

  364. Abdul says:

    To Sina:
    In my Phase-1 initial post, I had put a query under Question no. 5. The query was "Any logic or trick why you still retain Ali in your name?". You have deleted this query from my Phase-1 post. Any reason?

    1. The ex-religion which is conveyed by your name Ali Sina is False. Why trick sadist people addicted to FF.org and your other blogs that you and your collaborators are mostly ex-Muslims who still continue to retain their false names. Why fool your own sadist addicts ?

    2. You being the CEO of FF.org and various other blogs, why break your own organization's commandments by telling lies to your own sadist addicts, when in reality you and your collaborators are among evangelists, i-Plotters, pundits, enlightened atheists, anti-socials, lunatics etc..?

  365. Ali Sina says:

    With each new post you reveal a little more of the depth of your obtuseness.
    Do Baha’is claim their faith to be Islam for you to say Muhammad’s Islam is the original and the first one? The0e categorically have dissociated themselves from Islam and claim their religion is an independent one with no ties to Islam. There is less connection between Bahai and Islam than there is between Christianity and Judaism. Christians still regard the OT valid, while Bahais do not consider the Quran to be valid anymore.

    If you don’t hate Islam then why did you leave it? The reason we left Islam is because we came to see the lies of Muhammad and the damage that that criminal has done to us. We see our people in the depth of ignorance and fanaticism and we see their backwardness and their wretchedness. We see they are full of hatred of all mankind, constantly in war with others and with each other and we see the source of all that is Islam. How can anyone be indifferent or even loyal to Islam after learning this truth?

    You never left Islam. You are as biased as any Muslim, as bigoted as a Muslim, as hate monger as a Muslim. What part of you has left Islam? You hate the Jews, the Bahais, the Christians and all non-Muslims. As I said before, the only part in you that is no longer a Muslim is your genial and your stomach. Your mind is still a slave of Allah and you will revert in about ten years when you think the time of dying is getting close. Muslims call people like ou hypocrite and that is exactly what you are.
    “Muslems do not kill Bahais because they don't carry weapons. If it happened in the past and killed some, it is just because they were trying to spread that religion, which commands its adherents to be disarmed.”

    Is it possible to say anything more stupid than this? This sixty plus years old man does not have the intelligence of a six year old boy. How can one make sense of this statement? Does it make sense that anyone, even brain dead Muslims, kill a group of peaceful people because they refuse to carry guns and prefer to be killed rather than kill? So if Baha’is take up arms and start killing Muslims will they be left alone and their persecution will end? Then tell me why carrying guns is prohibited in Iran for everyone? Why the Muslims are forced to follow a Bahai teaching? In fact guns are prohibited in most Islamic countries. The reason Baha’is were prohibited to carry guns was because of the persecution of the Babis who did carry guns and fought back. They were however a small minority and systematically killed. So Baha’u’llah ordered his followers not to carry guns to distinguish themselves from the Babis and not be attacked. His philosophy also is a non-violent one so carrying guns and killing others was not in harmony with his overall teachings. However, Bahais do take part in military and go to war to defend their country like anyone else. In this sense they cannot be equated to Jehovah Witnesses who refuse to serve in the military or go to war even when their country is invaded.

    “Some of those Bahais were trying to teach their religion secretly to the young and the unexperienced.”

    How else could they teach their religion in an Islamic country where no freedom of speech and conscience is recognized, and where they were systematically persecuted for their faith?
    ”Do you know what does it mean if a whole nation is disarmed?”

    Yes I know. It would have had the same effect as now. The Islamic government of Iran and all other Islamic governments have banned guns.

    “and of course, the other minor reason for the hate of Bahais, because Muslims consider
    Mohammad the last prophet.”

    No, this is not the other minor reason. This is the main reason and the only reason.

  366. Danielle says:









  367. Danielle says:



    Pay attention to the content. Not comment on peripherals.

  368. aminthemystic says:

    I am not sure what you are answering to . . . .

    "You wrote "…no country…" I found two "countries" for you.I hope you accept these two examples. "

    What is this about? Reference it properly. Either give me the link of the comment – or paste an extract of greater length

  369. aminthemystic says:

    huh? Your post has a lot of these "ROFLMAO"

    As for explanation . . . sorry dear – I don't think you explained it either. If you take away all the lolling – there is NOTHING much left.

    As you said yourself:

    " I am no expert in anything you guys talk about"

  370. Shirbott says:

    Per Aminthemystic

    You wrote "…no country…" I found two "countries" for you.I hope you accept these two examples.

    Necrophilia of the sanctioned variety happened in Islamic Ottoman empire during Khalafa or was it kherafa, subsequent to fatwa supporting Sultan's genocidal enterprise.

    Read books published by non Islamic sources on Armenian genocide of 1917.Oh yes Genocide too happened in Islam.Eyewitnesses tell us of seeing Muslims copulating with the remains of wretched Armenian women. This was all witnessed in the deserts of Ottoman Iraq and Syria.Are there any subsequent fatwa condemning the al-mominun who fornicated with the dead?

    Sanctimonious Islamic Republic of Iran too has been accused of mistreating female prisoners,both dead and alive ,including deviant sexual assaults, by ghoulish Muslim prison guards.

    You can of course pooh pooh the credibility of sources bringing to our attentions these abhorrent Mohammedan behaviors.In case you do, may I remind you that Ulemaa or Islamic jurists saw to it that the Muslim perverts committing these crimes did not accidently violate shari'a?.

    I 'll bet, Aminthemystic, your pervert brethren in faith,in both Ottoman empire and the Islamic Republic, later on performed vodhu, stood Iqaama ,and recited salat all without a hint of remorse for what they'd done. Pedophile prophet too did the same immediately following the battle of Kheiybar., right?

  371. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 14): End of My response.

  372. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 13-a): Note: All comments are also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (10) Human beings cannot tolerate hegemony of any sort for ever. The statement is applicable to all parties. Hegemony and its demolition machine will repeat in cycles & there is nothing called peace for ever in this world. Each group will get its turn to exercise its hegemony & get demolished by a competing group. History is witness.

  373. Danielle says:

    Hi i posted earlier this exact same message and still couldnt stop laughing. So I just had to do this here again at the main thread lolol!! The masterbating of the brain thingy and all the 'logic' that were being discussed and debated, while some claims their relatives IQ EQ are superior and the blah blah? And all the discussions and debates of which statements are incorrect, throwing in the order of mathematical operations as well lololololol OMG!!

    Did anyone realise the entire logical sets of math equations was built on the assumptions x=y but incompletely specified? To you x and y can only be numbers or fractions or at worst some weird numbers like maybe pi?? Right? OMGOMGOMG!!

    Why talk to morons, Ali? They are just jokers and still want to argue like experts. I am no expert in anything you guys talk about, but the first thing that hit me was 'What?! You build an entire logical argument based on this premise? No wonder 2=1 and no one could explains why! One went as far as saying 0 = 0 Unbelievable -.-"

    Here is my re-post:

    "Hi hi guys,

    Your assumptions are wrong to begin with, because one of the variables x or y maybe a modulus, amidst other possibilities 😀 D D

    Lol, you guys suck at mathematics, omg!! Try something less abstract to prove your arguments, scholars! ROFLMAO"

    It was so entertaining. Thanks guys for the joke of the day!! Hohohoho!!

    And Ali, these are the guys with whom you are trying to debate with. Sigh! A pathetic bunch, no doubt. Sad. They are entertaining, yes, but … Sadly, debating has to be founded on logic. Sigh!

    😀 (couldn't help myself when I think of what I just saw lol)

  374. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 12): Note: All comments are also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (9) Hadith authors have recorded the events without fear and not having concealed anything out of shame. It is not that muslims are lame ducks and are not aware of Hadiths existence for analysis and research.

    I also understand that you and your allies are not in a position to let people visting FF.org know which top 100 individuals, corporates, governments and non-governmental organizations are funding you, your IT infrastructure in your online campaign and that you are not in a position to share investors full name, % fund contribution made, their religion and Nationality.

    Just 1 sided focus about only 1 'doom' and not protesting about other 'dooms' – hegemony, control through cunning plots, export of sex & exploitation of women is unfair. The tall claims of Sina & allies will be of no use:
    "I don’t have a panacea to all the ills affecting mankind"
    "We are against hate, not faith"
    "Let us save lives, not lies"

  375. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 11):
    (7) What is the point in making such tall claims on FF.org by Sina & his allies :
    " With truth and reason alone we can demolish this tall tower of lies "
    " We believe truth will demolish lies just as light vanquishes darkness."

    They fall flat by the above actions of Sina. Is this what you meant by your statement above – "Humans are defective creatures and we have always done despicable and shameless things."

    (8) Leave aside frogs and snakes. There are people in cities (not any remote jungle) who feed on dead human being corpses. It is still being practised even in the 21st century.
    Note: I am not a fan of meat food. Do not want to feed on it and invite heart attacks and other illnesses for self & family.

  376. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 10):
    (6) Sina seems to be adept at doctoring his article contents without any notice of an update based on evolving opportunity.
    The contents of his above post have been updated without any notice. Seems like this sophistry is similar to marrying the photo of twin towers collapse with a particular verse of Quran on his website and later on updating it with a different statement based on rebuttals and evolving opportunity.

    For twin tower image statement change see the web link below : http://www.faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed/pics

    Note: The above FaithFreedom site ends with .com and not .org. The guys here have also kept a dedicated sitefolder for Sina Exposed at http://www.faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed.html

  377. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 9):

    (5a) Sina again breaks his organisation commandment# 4 – "4.Do not use foul language nor override the general norms of civility. Let your words be the expression of who you are."

    He states in his reponse – "As for urinating on the Quran and burning it, why would you consider it to be such an egregious act? A book made of paper and ink. What is so sacred about them?…"

    (5b) Sina again breaks his organisation commandment # 1 – "1.Do not insult other members, Do not utter racial slurs or call for violence against certain groups of people. Clashes of opinions are welcomed but clashes of personalities are not."

    Sina states – "The non-Muslims countries must ban it and adherence to it should be punished as treason." This amounts to inciting violence.

  378. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 8):

    (5) Sina states – "Now if you are content to do evil because when you read the newspapers you see there are many other criminals and perverts in the world, then you should stay a Muslim."
    Seems like Sina & his allies do not by themselves follow what they preach. They have 10 commandments which they have stated as "natural rules governing any civilized society" of dos and donts on FF.org. Sina is himself breaking the 1st commandment "1.Do not insult other members, Do not utter racial slurs or call for violence against certain groups of people. Clashes of opinions are welcomed but clashes of personalities are not." He is labeling me to be content to do evil by staying a Muslim.

    Should i also play the trick and ask what right he and his allies have to label me in one way or the other ? I need not have to forego my religion to abide on justice, secularism, rule of law.

  379. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 7):
    (4b…continued) The learning is that Just any one with a (pseudo) name of Abdul or Ali Sina or Ayatollah Khomeini publishing a book or publishing it on Internet in the 21st century or in future generations does not turn it into a Seminal Hadith or a fact. Same holds true for the so called ex-Muslim pundits and other allied evangelists, zionists, enlightened apostates/atheists churning out articles on FF.org

  380. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 6):

    (4b) In his response above, he states – "I know of no law allowing bestiality and having sex with animals except the Sharia law that defines it and regulates it (Read the book of Khomeini)."

    Web link given by Sina on sex with animals (and babies) : (Note: This does not appear as a weblink in FF.org. One has to locate his blog site to unearth the below weblink.)

    He uses words like 'Sharia law'. In the weblink above there is reference about sex with baby and its regulation. It does not show a tree traversal to seminal Hadiths or Quraan. It does not reference to the topic on sex with animals. Instead there is a comment which says – "The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in “Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh,” Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom". Need to research whether English translation of this complete book is available and cross verify the facts and punishments.

  381. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 5):
    (4a…continued) If you visit the above weblink you find his brazen lie. The news link content given by him says the exact opposite. It states that this rumor is completely false. The news outlet also has put a apology note:
    " *This article has been edited to deal with complaints that our original was inaccurate. We apologise to readers who were offended by our first story."

    When you do a little bit of evidence gathering from media then you realise that Sina & his allies have already spread a lie to people across the globe that 'Islamic' country of Egypt has indeed passed a law legitimizing men to have sex with the corpse of their wives. For a sample, see the below weblink which unmasks his lie (it is not a muslim owned media outlet hence no suspicion):

  382. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 4). Note: This comment is also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (4a) In his response above, he states – "I know of no country allowing sex with dead corpse except the Islamic country of Egypt whose parliament passed a law legitimizing men to have sex with the corpse of their wives, soon after it was formed after ousting Mubarak."
    He unabashedly plants a lie and creates prejudice among people across the globe who read his argument. No body has time to bother and cross verify the weblink content he provides. Based on his above statement there are already responses/judgements submitted by his sadist allies in the comments section. By all probability, the same people across the globe may never revist this discussion again to read about the lies his organisation smears. His lie thus sticks in peoples consciousness. Damage is being done rather intentionally and deceptively.

    Web link given by Sina on sex with dead corpse law of Egypt (Note: This does not appear as a weblink in FF.org. One has to locate his blog site to unearth the below weblink) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/E

  383. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 3). Note: This comment is also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (3) Plotting and spreading Half truths/lies are fertile ground for planting rumors, cultivating prejudices, producing poison & reaping destruction for self & others.

    (4) Seems like Sina & his allies are most eager to spread rumors & lies as and when decisive opportunity arises and are being funded to achieve a hegemonic objective. Why do i say that?

  384. Abdul says:

    To Sina (Part 2). Note: This comment is also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (2) If any side believes that killings, demonising, plotting vile hatred, bigotry & prejudice through media will cure the other side of their wrong behaviour then they are mistaken. The exact opposite gets materialised. History is witness of this fact.
    One of the 21st century US president gets ordained in his dream by god to invade Iraq to punish anti-christs and he religiously executes it for this and other goals!

  385. Abdul says:

    To Sina(Part 1). Note: This comment is also posted on FF.org under the same subject line.

    (1) Apparently Muslims majority countries cannot be trusted to give a secular Government. I conclude this on the basis of their current track record. It is also true they should not be judged by the current record because they are living in an hostile environment; I am not necessarily blaming people of other religions and apostates/atheists by saying so. Muslims have not stayed within their committed path and have strayed away from the secular spirit of implementation and delivering results on ground irrespective of beliefs of co-citizens. The terminal diseases they have contracted require counseling, medication and cure.

  386. Danielle says:

    Hi hi guys,

    Your assumptions are wrong to begin with, because one of the variables x or y maybe a modulus, amidst other possibilities 😀 D D

    Lol, you guys suck at mathematics, omg!! Try something less abstract to prove your arguments, scholars! ROFLMAO

  387. Ahnaf says:

    Yes I did actually, and frankly speaking, I am not too surprised.

    Red herrings are a common item in a muslim's arsenal, especially when it comes to garnering support or feelings of trust fallaciously

  388. Ahnaf says:

    I see that belief in your imaginary friend still beckons you to a demeanour that is far worse than that of a slave ^_^

    Why so deluded?

  389. zitouni says:

    the dummy has posted link which denies what he claimed LOL . Thats why I asked this mental sick man to seek psycological evaluation . he needs help

  390. Danyaal says:

    Actually the division is wrong:

    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy) it does not equal to 2 and 1.

    As this equation is wrong. And it does not balance.

    2x² – 2x² does not balance with x²-x²

    The equation is false to start with. Twice of something doesn't equal its singular.

  391. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr Rainbow, are you the stupid cow who try to hide your embarassment? Do you know that I'm still waiting patiently for your explanation?

  392. Rainbow says:

    Don't try to hide your embarrassment….stupid cow.

  393. Agracean says:

    Dear Mr taqiyya Rainbow, am I 'hoping' to hear something else when you are the one who asked me, "do you want to try it?" Have you read my last reply to you with regard to your F.U.S?

  394. Agracean says:

    Hi Joe, I think that you are merely stimulating your mind. Do you know that Mr Rainbow is an expert on this subject and that he has tried it before? I'm waiting for his explanation on how he do it. You may wish to ask him if you're interested too.

  395. Rainbow says:

    No, I meant your first answer was the right one, but she was hoping
    to hear something else. I gave it to her anyway.

  396. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr nameless man, thanks for your kind example but it doesn't explain 'masturbating your own brain' at all. Maybe that Mr Rainbow can show us what is the meaning of it because he has tried it before.

  397. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr Rainbow, you mean F.U.R?

  398. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    That's great ! Multiplication and Division have same priority. But less we should concern about Algebra.

    I was explaining "Masturbating with own brain"

    1. I have assumed myself x=y
    2. I have applied Algebraic rules
    3. I proved 2 = 1

    I have proved logically with liberty to choose what I have to prove (2=1) with liberty of choosing platform (Algebra). This liberty mimic masturbation as its not interacting or fulfilling what proofs others require and on what platforms.

  399. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Sorry dear !

  400. CGW says:

    Not to quibble, but Division does not come "before" Multiplication, and the order of M, D, A and S must be from left to right. Just sayin'.

  401. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    And you want me to listen to her to ask you for right answer . How selfish !!!

  402. CGW says:

    Didn't you see where I said that I misread the minus sign on the screen? read directly above your last comment.

  403. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Priority for operations for Algebraic expressions

    Brackets and Parentheses => Exponents => Division => Multiplication => Addition =>Subtraction

  404. CGW says:

    I know the Order of Operations in Algebra. I was explaining to aminthemystic what you had done, because he wrote "you cannot just take away the brackets". I pointed out that you divided by what's in brackets to get your final solution.

  405. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Nothing can't be equal to nothing coz nothing don't have any value. "equal" operator can compare something with something. Comparing nothing with nothing , dividing anything with nothing are meaningless.

  406. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    No. 5 follow from No. 4
    Since x² + xy – 2xy = x² – xy

    So 2x² – 2xy = x² + xy – 2xy = = x² – xy

    No.6 yield value zero but subtraction is not allowed in algebra before division and multiplication operator.

    You are just masturbating with your own brain to get 0=0 ignoring algebric operations rules.

  407. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Brackets are made by putting common multiple outside bracket !

    In algebra operator division and multiplication has to perform prior to addition and subtraction and we are using algebra to get result

    Back to the basics

    Now you probably learned masturbating own brain !!!

  408. CGW says:

    He is dividing the last equation you mentioned by what's in brackets.

  409. CGW says:

    Bad glasses.

  410. CGW says:

    Sorry, #5 does follow, i misread minus sign.

  411. Rainbow says:

    @ (.)
    I think s/he doesn't like your first answer….s/he prefers mine.

  412. Rainbow says:

    You have to explain why they are wrong, of the same thing, over and over again…
    because they are dense.

  413. aminthemystic says:

    Why – nothing does equal nothing!

    " One more thing 0 can't be equal to 0 coz to be equal there must be value to be compared and 0 is an assumption with no value. "

    It does – else where did you get 2=1

    That is NOT there. . . .

    – – –

    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)

    This does not reduce to this. . .


    Because it is 2x something . . .and you cannot just take away the brackets. That is simply wrong.

    You are saying 2 lots of nothing = 1 lots of nothing.

    Which is correct!

    But 2 lots of nothing Vs 1 lot of nothing DO NOT equal to

    2 of something and 1 of something.

  414. Rainbow says:

    Ever noticed the fans of sina? they constantly repeat his words, and walk
    behind him eating his sh————-t.

  415. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    One more thing 0 can't be equal to 0 coz to be equal there must be value to be compared and 0 is an assumption with no value.

    So 0=0 is meaningless in logic !

  416. CGW says:

    Let me be more clear:

    Equation # 5 does not follow from # 4, and even the incorrect resulting equation # 6 yields 0=0.

  417. aminthemystic says:

    Simple. . .

    If x=1

    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)

    2(1-1) = 1(1-1)

    2(0) = 1(0)


    Where did 2=1 come from?

    For all positive values – the result will always be 0

  418. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    No 5 : x² + xy – 2xy = x² – xy correct
    No 6 : can be zero only if x² – xy calculated as zero putting assumed value which you can't do before result in hypothesis.

  419. aminthemystic says:

    Sorry pal – I don't think this is correct:

    x² – 2xy =x² + xy – 2xy

    If x=y

    Then you can rewrite as such:

    x² – 2x² =x² + x² – 2x²

    Hence clearing up . . .

    -x² = 0

    And this is wrong.

    – – –

    Then this would be wrong:

    x² – 2xy = x² – xy

    And you do NOT arrive at this:


    As this is wrong:

    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)

    If you expand it –

    It becomes:

    2x² – 2xy = x²-xy

    And this is NOT the same as:

    x² – 2xy = x² – xy

    – – –

    x² – 2xy = x² – xy

    This expanded is:

    x(x-2y) = x² – xy


    x (x-2x) = 0

    – – –

    I think my math is correct!

  420. CGW says:

    Your equations are faulty. Number 5 is just plain wrong, and number six yields 0=0.

  421. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    OK I will give simple example of masturbating own brain

    Assume x=y

    x² = xy
    x² + x² = x² + xy
    2x² = x² + xy
    2x² – 2xy =x² + xy – 2xy
    2x² – 2xy = x² – xy
    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)

    Now logically you have proved 2=1 and happy with that ! Even you assume x=y as hypothesis which is scientifically correct gave you something which can't be correct.You need to use or validate with other source other than science and logic to find it correct.

  422. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    OK I will give simple example of masturbating own brain

    Assume x=y

    x² = xy
    x² + x² = x² + xy
    2x² = x² + xy
    x² – 2xy =x² + xy – 2xy
    x² – 2xy = x² – xy
    2(x² – xy ) = 1(x² – xy)

    Now logically you have proved 2=1 and happy with that ! Even you assume x=y as hypothesis which is scientifically correct gave you something which can't be correct.You need to use or validate with other source other than science and logic to find it correct.

  423. Rainbow says:


  424. Agracean says:

    Hi nameless man, I think that your answer is incorrect because you know not the meaning of masturbation. Mr Rainbow suggested that you could try masturbating your own brain if you want to and I'm awaiting for his answer on how to do it because he is an expert on this subject . You may wish to ask him personally if you are interested too.

  425. Agracean says:

    Hi Mr Rainbow, you sounded like you are an expert on this subject. So, why don't you explain how do you masturbate with your own brain?

  426. Joe says:

    there are atleast 72 ways to mastibate,

    just dream of your huri (whatever that is) and let you imagination go wild..

    and guess what you can do this all day long..

  427. aminthemystic says:

    "I am an explicit atheist myself; and coming from a muslim family, I know very well that muslims try to sway public opinion via the utilization of such logical fallacies "

    Doh! Which one exactly. . . and where? Dd you EVEN read the above properly?

  428. aminthemystic says:

    " I know of no country allowing sex with dead corpse except the Islamic country of Egypt whose newly elected Islamic parliament passed a law legitimizing men to have sex with the corpse of their wives. "

    One has to question Sina's rationality. . . .this news report does NOT say what he claims. Did he even bother to read it?

    – – –

    Why let this juicy tid-bit to get in the way of the truth!

  429. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    You can still expect understanding of scriptures from who failed to even understand you (satire and hatred conclusion)

  430. Sahil Patel says:

    Dear Friend, call the Guy (Zayd ibn Aslam)stupid, because he is the one who has added this comment in your Holy Book.

  431. aminthemystic says:

    " @Rainbow… can you please refrain from leveling insults at people? It's tiresome to read all of your vitriol and ad hominem attacks. If you have a logical critique, please state it. Calling someone stupid is just an immature attack and has no place here. "

    Who are YOU to moralise and preach?

    In a similar vain – can you stop accusing falsely of "logical fallacies" by rote. It is tiresome having to explain WHY you are wrong every time.. . . of the same thing.

    – – –

    As for " logical critique" again seems to be the pot calling others black. Care to point out a post of yours which meets such standards?

    Or have you already made the BIG DECLARATION?

  432. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    Masturbate with own brain don't include sex or related with sex . This might lower your curiosity !

    Masturbating with own brain actually mean having conclusion of subject providing own logic and reasoning without interacting or validating from any external source or resource.

  433. Innocent Guy says:

    I think you misunderstood my comment, I meant to say that they were making mockery of Mo. If they had true respect for him they would not have acted that way, rather they would have been in sorrow.

  434. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    I read somewhere ???

    Is this in new bible written yesterday? Sorry we don't have any copies please make available !

    Christian faith talk about Islam, Christian apologists talk about Islam Where is Christianity?

    I suspect poking nose in Islam is Christianity according to new bible ! lol

    Muslim is a magician and you are stupid, dumb-heads, blind so s/he waxes everything !

  435. Rainbow says:

    The most important thing is who is responsible for producing the dirt._Start watching at the minute 38:12 ……….and for more good information_other than the pornography
    start at the minute 52:00…….and it will not harm to watch the whole thing although I am
    not sure of how close it is to the truth or far from it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZzrpp7UAjQ

  436. Rainbow says:

    I..certainly..have..my reasons..when..calling..someone..stupid..but..I don't..have..
    the patience..to list..them all…….depending.. on the..common sense..of the….
    readers…to spot…them..when..they..read..the comment..of that…particular…
    stupid…..Unfortunately….I forgot…they…don't…have any.

  437. aminthemystic says:


    Ha ha ha . . . this is what your business is Sina . . .

    Cheap and plenty lies.

    You make them against the religion. . .

    Against Muslims as group. . . .

    and even down to the individual!

    – – –



  438. aminthemystic says:


    If you were THAT truthful . . you would have clrealr posted links.

    As per usual!

    – – –

    This is to subvert from the fact that Porn is NOT seen as immoral in the West – which has more to do with Secularism than any religion.
    http://www.safefamilies.org/sfStats.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porn#Religious_objechttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pornographic

    – – –

    Sina could NOT find a credible excuse that most pornography is UNFORTUNATELY exploitation of the White women.

  439. fakeman says:

    yes it is true i have seen in facebook pages of pornography also where sizeable commens are from muslims , which shows their high level of lust

  440. Ali Sina says:

    You can check this through google trends yourself. Yes Islamic countries are the top visitors of pornographic sites.Not only that, they are most interested in animal sex, child sex, sadomasochist sex and all other sick expressions of sexuality. A regular man woman sex does not turn them on.

  441. J_Stillwater says:

    @Rainbow… with regard to Mr. Sina… there is a difference between just making the statement: "You are stupid," and making the statement: You are stupid (lacking intelligence or commond sense), BECAUSE… and then go on to illustrate why you are stating that a person is "lacking intelligence or common sense."

    One thing that you'll notice about Mr. Sina, and although you may not accept his arguments, he usually offers reasoning for making a statement about a person's intelligence or common sense. I'm sure in your exchanges with him, there must be loads of examples of this.

    J Stillwater

  442. Rainbow says:

    never mind

  443. Rainbow says:

    I will consider your request……if you forward it to Sina !

  444. J_Stillwater says:

    @Rainbow… can you please refrain from leveling insults at people? It's tiresome to read all of your vitriol and ad hominem attacks. If you have a logical critique, please state it. Calling someone stupid is just an immature attack and has no place here.

    J Stillwater

  445. J_Stillwater says:

    @Abid… you have to have a fast Internet connection to post long comments. If you have a slow connection, the intensedebate.com server seems to time out before your entire post as been sent. That's been my experience anyway. When I'm using a fast connection, I can post much longer posts. There is a limit, but with a slow connection, I can only make posts of around 200 words.

    J Stillwater

  446. zitouni says:

    Rainbow said : I didn't get it……the first paragraph

    I have responded to these arguments in another post if you want to read it let me know

  447. Rainbow says:

    He needs some time to fabricate new lies.

  448. Rainbow says:

    I didn't get it……the first paragraph

  449. zitouni says:

    Ali Sina : If you are concerned about the content of its message, it says slay the unbelievers wherever you find them; don’t take them as friends even if they are your brothers and father; they are filthy; they are wost than animals; I will strike terror in their hearts; they will go to hell; chop their heads from above their necks and other hateful things. Why should an unbeliever have any respect for a book that insults him and incites so much hatred against him?

    Please if you want to be stupid then you should look for another job . You are hypocrite and dishonest . Is that all the arguments that you got against koran concerning viiolence well I have already refuted them and you have read by rebuttals , but you disappeared because you could not defend you argument . If you could not do that I advise you to stop using these out of context verses to mislead people , shame on you liar and hypocrite

  450. I read somewhere that the most pornography access was made by muslim countries. I imagine that goes for child sex abuse as well but of course in Islam that is not against the law being the example of the pedophile prophet.
    When a muslim waxes logical he also waxes hypocrite. Be warned.

  451. Rainbow says:

    Best thing to disappear…….and leave the ethical, moral sewer rats squeaking at
    each other. Beware, they carry plague.

  452. Rainbow says:

    You are not innocent, you are stupid.

  453. Abdul says:

    Ok. Was not aware that this discussion has shifted from FF.org to here.

  454. Rainbow says:

    Why? do you want to try it?

  455. Rainbow says:

    If there is a stupid with long ears here, it is you….although English is not
    my language, but I try to make my comments as clear as possible.
    If I left Islam, that does not mean I hate it, and when I said "authantic"
    I meant the "real"or the "first", the "actual". (You can understand what
    the other means when you want to). You play a fool when you want
    an execuse to "spew" your venom………one day, and you will remember
    me, you will be crushed…but not by the Muslims who care less about
    a parasite like you, it will be by your masters.

    Muslems do not kill Bahais because they don't carry weapons. If
    it happened in the past and killed some, it is just because they were
    trying to spread that religion, which commands its adherents to be
    disarmed. Some of those Bahais were trying to teach their religion
    secretly to the young and the unexperienced. Do you know what
    does it mean if a whole nation is disarmed? and of course, the other
    minor reason for the hate of Bahais, because Muslims consider
    Mohammad the last prophet.

  456. ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ says:

    This is beyond my logic that morally , ethically devastated folks act like moral and social inspectors !!!
    Who are highest in ammunition trading act like peace makers !!! Who never disclose their plans ask for transparency !!! lol

    I am not worried about vibrations not about waves coz I know for sure to cause a change there must be a storm . And chances are doomed already lol

  457. Sakat says:

    Just catch a bus and travel beyond 7th century and read your history ,you will find ,you are the descendent of that great Persian culture (carrying the Gene's of Darius ) and not this thug Mohammed or his criminal sahaba's( none of them is having the quality's of a saint' ,so don't go for salutation's in their resting place ) .If you decides to act on my free advice, your life will become happy., ( you are the author of your own destiny,keep this in mind).

  458. Abid says:


    Please tell why I am not able to put my long comment in one section. How do people write long comment in one bucket.

    Please resolve this.

  459. Abid says:

    Usually whenever you search some text or word on computer using control F, it shows progress, takes few second to say 'Not Found' but when I searched 'Ahmed' in Samveda(PDF format), it immediately showed 'Not Found' without even taking a second. Even a computer is so confident that it is not mentioned in any of the scriptures. Still Idiot Muslims insist that, without clarifying', Muhammad is predicted in all scriptures. SHAME
    A bastard Zakir Naik is making more fool to Muslims and filling his own tummy with hellfire. He is a Liar, a big liar. I challenged to all muslims to check everything with their own hands and eyes, they will soon see the truth. Islam is a lie or not, that is different issue altogether, but at earliest muslims should know whether Naik is lying or not by self-verification. Eventually they would understand Islam is a lie or not, as if Islam is already divine and truth why does it require the help of lies to propagate it.

  460. Abid says:

    Some idiot wrote this:
    “Ahamadhi pithoohu parimedha mruthasya jaagrani aham suryo ivaajanah. (Samaveda.prathisarga.parv.6.8)
    Ahmed acquired religious law from his lord. This religious law is full of wisdom. I receive light from him just as from the sun.”
    Muslims are absolute fool, it is bitter, but a fact. Truth is always so. They should check themselves, they shouldn’t be gullible, shouldn’t’ be blind supporter of anything. I knew Islam is muck and evil but still as per your comment that Ahmed is forecasted in the Samveda, I checked myself (But we all know they never did).

  461. Sakat says:

    Mr Sina ,you are truly a giant,I appreciate your whole hearted effort in reducing this cult Islam into peanut .However I am puzzled at seeing the response by some defenders of this cult whether they are existences of this century .My own siblings IQ's and EQ's are far more superior then these moron's.We think about exploring the universe and establishing ourselves in other part of the universe but these people think about destroying humanity.

  462. Ali Sina says:

    I sometimes wonder how anyone can spew so much bull crap.

    Do I defend Baha'is because the founder of this faith was Persian? Then why I don’t defend Khomenini and Khamanei? And why do I defend Jesus and Buddha who were not Persian?

    Is this all your pea brain can come up? Couldn’t it be also possible that I care about being fair and that justice matter to me? Isn't it also possible that I may want to be intellectually honest? No! You can’t think of that because you have no clue what that means. You see the world and judge everyone else according to who you are. In other words you project your own defects on others. Since you are a biased, dishonest liar, you assume everyone else must be like you.

    “Authentic Islam?” What the hell are you talking about? Are you stupid or do you think I am? What is authentic about this cult of a psychopath? No sane atheist would babble so much nonsense. “Authentic Islam”! How ridiculous. You expose your hypocrisy with every post. How can a atheist claim any religion, let alone the most hideous of them all is authentic? Even Richard Dawkins has realized Islam is the worst religion. Don’t atheists believe all religions are lies? So how come Islam is the only authentic lie? Do you see how easy it is to catch a liar? You never fooled me.

    So Muslims hate Bahais and kill them because Bahais don't carry gun? Could you say anything more stupid that this? If this were true then why they killed the Babis in such large numbers? The Babis carried arms. You are just a little ignorant man.

    Muslims hate Bahais because they think Muhammad was the last prophet and as such have no tolerance for another person claiming to be a messenger of God after him. Muslims kill the peaceful Bahais because they believe in every lie of Muhammad.

  463. Agracean says:

    Mr Abdul, you have to crack and not masturbate your brain, in order to find out the absolute truth on why human beings are getting from bad to worse and from worse to worst and even worst than animals.

  464. Agracean says:

    Dear Mr Abdul, I'm curious to know how do you masturbate with your own brain?

  465. Rainbow says:

    Of course you will defend the Bahais, because the person who established that
    religion was Iranian, I think his name was Mirza Ali Mohammad Al Shirazi.
    Why the Muslims hate this new religion? It is a conspericy to destroy the authentic
    Islam (another reason for you to like it). This new religion forbids its followers
    to carry weapons, and the A-hole who established it was planning to spread it
    in the nations of the area and disarm them to make them an easy prey for their
    enemies. Do you know why Muslims hate Bahais?…….Bahais themselves do
    not know this fact, they are merely sheep. Iran has been and is behind every
    disaster in the area.
    Muslims certainly believe in all prophets (I do not), they believe in Jesus and
    Moses……they are not liars at all (like you), Jesus and Moses are mentioned
    in the Quran frequently, but Muslims believe that their books are not genuin
    and they are tampered with.
    So, do not blabber and add lies to your disgraceful lies, try to respect yourself
    once for a change. I started to believe that you enjoy being scolded. You are
    mentally ill.

  466. Agracean says:

    Dear Ms Dr Ali Sina, I like the last paragraph of your above comment: "Gosh! I don't know what to do with you stupid people!" 🙂

  467. Ali Sina says:

    Yes Baha’is also say they believe in all the prophets and they actually do. Unlike Muslims who are hypocrite and say they believe in Jesus and Moses just to deceive the followers of their faiths, Baha’is are sincere about what they say.

    Look at the writings of Muslims just in this blog. They disparage the Old and New Testament constantly. The deception is obvious. I never saw a Baha’i disparage any religion. They defend even Islam to their own detriment. If only they dropped Islam they would have had a better chance of survival.

    Baha’is go as far as saying even Buddha was a messenger of God, a assertion Buddha never made. He was an agnostic.

  468. Ali Sina says:

    Dear Innocent man,
    Please read this article. http://alisina.org/blog/2011/01/02/muhammad-raped

  469. Rainbow says:

    Read her second comment. She meant the majority in Iran, and that is true.

  470. John says:

    Parisa, you said "since te Shia ,which are the great majority in Islam" — Shias form only 10% of all Muslims. Sources: CIA factbook, Encyclopædia Britannica Online and Pew Research. This is a very well known fact and if you think Shias are the majority in Islam, that renders the rest of your post useless.

  471. Innocent Guy says:

    The Prophet acknowledged the honesty of Safiyyah and what a great acknowledgement it was as it came from the most honest person on earth. Zayd ibn Aslam said, "When the Prophet was so sick and on the verge of death his wives gathered around him. Safiyyah bint Huyayyay said, 'O Messenger of Allah, by Allah, I would like to be in your place.' Hearing her utterance, the Prophet's wives winked at her. The Prophet saw them and said, 'Rinse your mouths.' They said, 'For what, Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'For your winking at her, by Allah, she is telling the truth.'"

    This shows how much respect his wives had for him… They were mocking him on his deathbed.

  472. Rainbow says:

    As the Muslims say they believe in all prophets, the Bahais also say they believe in
    all prophets. This video is for the Arabic readers. It is part of the "holy" book of the
    Bahais. Can anyone of you understand just one line of it? I couldn't ….it sounded
    like a spell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAnp4m4M8Zk

  473. Ali Sina says:

    Yes, I will cover that in my next article

  474. avika says:

    Ali, you didn't answer to abdul's claim about porngraphy and promiscuity in the west yet. If you don't answer, muslim will keep insult western culture, forget westerner's good side and keep thinking that islam is superior to western culture just because it prohibit pornography. BTW, will you write an article about pornography and islam?

  475. Ali Sina says:

    As a Muslim you are a liar. Baha’is don’t curse Christians and Muslims or anyone. They are the most deluded people who think all mankind can put aside their differences, hold each other’s hands and sing kumbaya. Their plan to achieve this utopia is to see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil – as if all one has to do is act like a dumb deaf and blind and somehow, by magic, all the evil in the world will go away and people will start loving each other. Yes, these smart people, honestly believe in this balderdash. They even refuse to accept the existence of evil. They believe evil is absence of good, just as darkness is absence of light. This is absurd. Evil is just as real as goodness, or better said neither is real. It is we humans who give value to things that are utterly valueless.

    Like Many Iranians I also have Baha’i relatives, but unlike you I have studied their religion and I know the Baha’i faith very well, better than most Baha’is. The thing you say about these people is informed by your Islamic hatred and not by facts.

    You hate Baha’is, you hate Jews, you hate Christians, you hate Hindus. you hate Buddhists, and you hate Shiites – in that order. Your very essence is made of hate and because of that you lie.

    I have debated with Baha’is. No one more than they has suffered persecution in Iran. Despite all what they have gone through, they blindly defend Muhammad and Islam and some of them attack me for what I say about that fiend impostor. Others who are more civilized, whitewash all the evils of Islam arguing, it was a medicine whose usage date is expired. They refuse to condemn Muhammad for his crimes, as if rape, genocide, theft and pedophilia were good, until 150 years ago when Baha’u’llah came along and brought new laws. So you lie when you say Baha’is curse others. You lie shamelessly. This is your filthy Islamic/Sunni nature that makes you think lying is a virtue.

    Baha’is are the most unfortunate people in the world. They are in no win situation. If Islam wins they will be devoured by rabid Muslims like you and if Islam loses they will lose too. They are just on the wrong side of history.
    “I am looking forward seeing you and your like on the DoR”

    You mean Day of Resurrection? What a stupid person! What a brain dead person. Do you still believe in those idiotic tales of Muhammad?

    Let me give you the bad news ms. If there is going to be a DoR, you and your pedophile prophet will be thrown in hell without questioning. And I tell you one more thing: If there is a god and a Day of Resurrection, it will be me who will be sitting next to the creator advising him whom to send to hell and whom to send to heaven and not Muhammad. Got that? You don’t believe me? Why not? You are so stupid that you have no problem believing when Muhammad make such a claim. How can you be sure that he was not lying and I am?

    Gosh! I don’t know what to do with you stupid people!

  476. Parisa says:

    Sorry, typo, alhamdulillah Shia are NOT "the great majority in Islam" but only "the great majority in Iran" ; )

  477. Parisa says:

    Hello Ali,

    as Iranian you do not know the Qur'an and even less about Islam, since te Shia ,which are the great majority in Islam, do not accept most of the hadith of the companions but instead invented many. Also, only because some Shia Mullah issued a fatwa making rubbing of the male private part to a baby permissible, it doesn't mean it's Islamic, it only shows how perverted it is, which is also shown in the Shia practice of Muta "marriage", the short time-limited "marriage" for the simply fullfillment of lusts. Also Bahais do not love anyone. They curse Christians as well as Muslims … how I know? Well, some of my family members are devouted Bahais.

    i always find it very interesting how people like you, who claim that Islam is soooo intolerant and soooo nasty and soooo oppressive and sooooo abusive, turn on Islam and Muslims in that kind of manner.

    But as half-Iranian I do not wonder about you and your slander. Most Persiansd never overcame te fall of the great Persan empire, and still live in it, not being able to adjust with modern times inventing lies, due to lack of real proof.

    But thats fine. Hide behind your lies, instead of facing truth bravely.
    I am looking forward seeing you and your like on the DoR : )

  478. Ahnaf says:

    Well said Mr. Sina!!

    I am an explicit atheist myself; and coming from a muslim family, I know very well that muslims try to sway public opinion via the utilization of such logical fallacies 🙂

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